From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 23 16:36:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1734 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:34:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200506231634.AA178454702@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: MISC: CP pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=KO0Fwwauyoy1oqVawx4yqMp0nz2AKWBl_0mNehEgH-IPV7vJCooV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Boy do I feel behind. < LOL! You sound like me! > happy I wasn't staying at the hotel with you and all those fire >alarms. < I really wouldn't have minded except for two things: 1. The guests were the last to know what was going on. Keeping the guests comfortable and informed should be the hotel's top priority. Instead the hotel employees wandered about seemingly aimlessly, not even attempting to talk to any of us. 2. It was so bloody cold and wet. I couldn't believe it took them so long to bring us blankets as we stood there in our pajamas. And they never offered us any compensation -- no complimentary breakfast, no extended stays, no upgraded rooms, no parking passes. There was a lot they could have done to have made up for their faux pas, but they seemed to have no interest in how we felt. It must have been even worse for the people in the south end of the hotel who were forced to move into different rooms that evening. Supposedly, they didn't finish that until the wee hours. >Hope your girls have a fun summer working there. < Thanks! They really like it, and it certainly is making them more independent. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 23 17:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98196 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2005 17:00:06 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,225,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="282441350:sNHT25386640" Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j5O002od020625 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.101.196.82] (dhcp-chg-64-101-196-82.cisco.com [64.101.196.82]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id ARG32969; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <22F414F3-223B-4FF2-B044-14E06724F151@buzzneon.com> References: <22F414F3-223B-4FF2-B044-14E06724F151@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26B2B7E1-8829-4D99-9E88-69E31AA8271B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Lindsay Fox buys Luna Park in Melbourne, Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=h8RYfyjlp4vLGeN8TnRIb3pgc4scoBAUgTGvlGU2E468SEXd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I know following up to ones own post is one of the most loserish things a person can do .. but.. The media in Melbourne came alive with the news of Lindsay buying the park. People were calling in to radio shows and newspapers talking about memories from their childhood, and what rides they'd love to see in the park. I suspect really great things for that park in the coming years.. If anyone is interested in some of my bad photos from Luna Park from March of this year: http://www.buzzneon.com/australia/march_2005/luna_park/ Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 23 17:20:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6653 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=v5aXEpCl0nxpWaZR5ZiQMuD-hFSuMJ884tljvkkpsk6n2o4VwOpq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Many of you probably heard about today's landmark ruling by the Supreme Court that essentially gives cities and towns the right to take any piece of privately-owned property and give it to whomever they want (after paying the original owners money that the city considers fair). Does anyone think this might adversly affect smaller parks that could bring far more revenue to a city as a site for condos or industry? For instance, the city of Denver could simply grab up Lakeside and give the land to a developer. I'm concerned about possible abuses of this ruling. It's not inconceivable that a shady developer could give a kickback to a corrupt city official so that prime real estate (which is usually where old parks sit) can be acquired for rock-bottom prices. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From coasterjunkie@gmail.com Fri Jun 24 06:09:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterjunkie@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79316 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.198) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so460930rnf for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.104.57 with SMTP id b57mr231625rnc; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.11.78 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5845b0180506240609935d13b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:09:41 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jason Bishop Reply-To: Jason Bishop Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=200207221; y=V_CroN23UEtV4w7kgw-wM7yt0urCjmeMn_uoemg_mWO3s-cE X-Yahoo-Profile: cobra1562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has been going on for a long time where I live (Kentucky). It's called eminent domain. Ultimately the land you own belongs to the city their land belongs to the state, and it all belongs to the federal government. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it because it is "theirs". Recently our government made a guy sell his farm (for less than he makes from it in a year) so that they could put in a recreational lake. And here I thought America was against communism. Just my 2 cents. Jason On 6/23/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Many of you probably heard about today's landmark ruling by the Supreme > Court that essentially gives cities and towns the right to take any piece of > privately-owned property and give it to whomever they want (after paying the > original owners money that the city considers fair). > > Does anyone think this might adversly affect smaller parks that could > bring far more revenue to a city as a site for condos or industry? For > instance, the city of Denver could simply grab up Lakeside and give the land > to a developer. > > I'm concerned about possible abuses of this ruling. It's not inconceivable > that a shady developer could give a kickback to a corrupt city official so > that prime real estate (which is usually where old parks sit) can be > acquired for rock-bottom prices. > > Jay > > > ___________________________________________________________ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- I reject your reality, and substitute my own. - Adam Savage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 06:35:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60887 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 45661 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2005 13:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050624133532.45659.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:35:32 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5845b0180506240609935d13b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=KOXgHBKZhpE4KaN8rdeQrbz-_qTznjyr3Da7IlYb0YNIBJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > This has been going on for a long time where I live > (Kentucky). It's called > eminent domain. This is a bit different, however. I am sure Bill can clarify better than myself, but from what I understand it has been common for governments to sieze private property for public use (or in some cases to sell to a private company, such as in the case of housing stock). However, this ruling basically says that private property, both housing and business, can be seized in order to bring in new private business which will provide a higher tax base. One of the interesting things about the ruling was that an area does not have to be considered blighted to be taken over for sale to private business. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Jun 24 07:12:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89738 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:11:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050624133532.45659.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.5.179 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=9jdSbFAChR8bbS_W6xuowvnEM_Uby4oGt2svd_Gvyv5BS5g7QLf27Q X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > This is a bit different, however. I am sure Bill can > clarify better than myself, but from what I understand > it has been common for governments to sieze private > property for public use (or in some cases to sell to a > private company, such as in the case of housing > stock). However, this ruling basically says that > private property, both housing and business, can be > seized in order to bring in new private business which > will provide a higher tax base. I haven't read the opinion yet, but yes, that's the main way this is different. Incidentally, eminent domain is provided for in the Constitution. The reason it's not typically considered communism is that the Constitution requires just compensation (market value). Clearly the courts sometimes get the number wrong (as it sounds like perhaps happened in your area of Kentucky), but without it, you don't have interstates, airports, and the like. Indeed, you have fewer amusement parks, since oftentimes local governments take land by eminent domain to provide access. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 11:51:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38444 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.153) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 87057 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2005 18:24:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20050624182433.87055.qmail@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:24:32 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Corkscrewing around with coaster buffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=NBsGVFE14YowR9x5mISruefkN66sZt6b978iRv8DJnsUnxs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2005/06/24/local/columns/iq_3574535.txt Mike Moore: Corkscrewing around with coaster buffs By Mike Moore To tell where Mark Davidson's allegiances lie, look at his socks. Monday morning when I met him, they were purple and orange. Anywhere else, those would put him in a category with the fashion-challenged, permanently removed from consideration for Old Navy commercials. In front of the Raging Bull ride at Six Flags Great America, they became camouflage. Yes, the New Jersey resident's socks matched the colors of the track. Coincidence? Only if you call it a coincidence when more than 400 roller-coaster junkies pile into the same park to toke up on their favorite high. This was Coaster Con XXVIII, the annual convention of the American Coaster Enthusiasts (ACE). Later, there would be the requisite business meetings that keep the group solvent so its members can corkscrew around the nation's amusement parks together. By the time I got to the park in Gurnee, Ill., a bunch of the coaster buffs had already spent two hours with a whole section of the place to themselves. With the public still at home putting on sunscreen and packing the cooler, there were no lines. Membership has its rewards. Next, they should try that at the DMV. By the time I arrived, the competitive advantage was gone. The enthusiasts had to wrestle with the general public in line. I tagged along with a few of the enthusiasts, as they refer to themselves. Steven and Charlotte Schroeder only had a few hours. They were wrapping up a coaster-centered vacation that had them drive from their home in Texas to parks in Missouri, Michigan and Indiana before this. Charlotte Schroeder caught coaster fever as a kid. Now, she explained, it doubles as stress relief. "Basically, this is my psychiatrist," she said. "I just scream my head off on coasters and, after that, I'm fine." Better than the couch, for sure. The group talked me into riding with them: first Raging Bull, then Superman, one of the newest rides. This was the biggest item on Charlotte Schroeder's checklist. Steven is a good sport. A big guy, he spent the entire trip trying to find a ride with a seat that'd take him. The Superman test chair said no. Like usual, he was stuck holding everybody's loose stuff. As the line wound underneath the ride, I pointed out the people don't really look like they're flying. Tim Baldwin, another Texan who oversees publication of the group's newsletter, said a few ACE members had discussed that. "Maybe if Superman's constipated," he said, but quickly followed up with, "It's one of the most unique riding positions you can find." They don't scare easily. Baldwin and Jeffrey Seifert could think of only one, a wooden coaster in Pennsylvania, that made them sweat. "It's completely safe, but, boy, does it have a rickety feel," Baldwin said. "But, of course, we got out of line and got right back on it." The boy's death at Disney World sprung coaster safety back into discussion. Baldwin spends more time worrying about accidents on the road than in the parks. "Because they are rare, they've been sensationalized," he said. The cause of that particular death is still up in the air, but Baldwin said often they happen when people act like "a bonehead." I expected Eberts and Roepers, coaster critics fulfilled only by the rides with enough force to tear skin from their cheekbones. There are a few purists who'll only ride the wooden ones. Overall, they're more like coaster hippies, digging all from kiddie rides on up. We stepped into the line for the Whizzer, a family ride that's run since 1976, the year Great America opened. When Steven Schroeder settled safely into his seat, we cheered. For him, the trip was complete. The couple hit the road home, and the rest converged for the big moment: Batman the Ride got a plaque naming it one of ACE's coaster landmarks. Apparently letting riders' feet wiggle underneath them was a big turning point in how coasters are made. That trumped any worries of Batman's age; at 13, it's a baby in coaster years. "It was pretty much responsible for the roller coaster renaissance in the 1990s," Mark Davidson said from a podium near the Batman entrance. He spoke over riders' screams from the black-and-yellow track. He must've found a bat cave to change in, because his socks matched it. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From filipm2@rpi.edu Fri Jun 24 22:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75624 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.18]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-542bce4ee113; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:00:30 -0500 Received: from [172.157.13.26] (AC9D0D1A.ipt.aol.com [172.157.13.26]) by smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5P50MNq012341 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:00:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:03:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.18 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=3UjuYX3fBIrUNyXL9A78Ly4C09yXOroKUWA-YkoJTSpLloAZx-6k X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I went down to Great Adventure for a couple hours after I finished work today with my friend. I have passes and the booklet thing, so I used a coupon to get him in for free. We only went on 4 or 5 rides, but heres some things of note... - Viper looks like its completely torn down. I didn't get that close to the area, was just looking from over by the Medusa area, but from what I could see it was just a rather large pile of broken up concrete, with no steel to be seen. - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the park didn't know it was down, or why. - Nitro has a tent fully installed over the main corral. They also have a DJ booth set up that has been there for a couple weeks. The DJ booth is permanent like the ones at CP, and the speakers are small EAW portable ones, but they sound really good. - Houdini's Great Escape is open. We went on it, and it still is boring, especially the pre-show... you can barely hear the guy talking. I'm not going to write a whole TR since there have already been a couple of those this year, but I'll comment on things I noticed that bother me, since thats what I do best. Before that though, it seems like a lot of the things that they did in the off season have stuck so far, which is great, and the atmosphere is a lot better from what it was 2 years ago, which was pretty much the last time I was there. But here are some things some things that could still be improved: - Food. Me and my friend stayed in the park to get dinner. We went to Grannys, where it was $12 just for me for 3 fried chicken strips, fries, and a medium sprite, and the food wasn't even that great. At least if you're going to charge that much, give us something that tastes good. If I ever went down to the park for the day, theres no way that I would stay in the park for lunch again... its easier, tastes better, and is way cheaper to go to the McDonalds down the road, and thats less money for SF - less time for us in the park, less time at the end of the day to buy souvineers, and not good in general. The food division definetely needs to be improved... bring in an outside company to do it if necessary, like Sodexho. They do a so-so job with the meal plans at my school, but the places you pay extra for are really great. And lower the prices, and renovate some of the places, especially Grannys Chicken - It felt like a High School Cafeteria in there. - Get rid of all the credit card promotion booths. People come to a park to have fun, and verbally spamming them, or reminding them of how much debt they're in isn't fun. - Get rid of all the games booths except for the ones in the Boardwalk area for now. They make the park feel cheap, and it would really open up and make some areas of the park a lot nicer. - Get rid of all the things that you pay $1 to drive a remote control car for 2 minutes, or whatever it is. They also make the park feel cheap. Or they could just be moved to the kiddie area, and improved. Like have a fire boat, and when you put the coin in it to drive it around, in a model house or something lights on fire and you have to put out the fire hose on the boat you are driving. - Clean out the water by the Runaway Mine Train again. It looked really nice on opening day from the pictures that were posten herd, but now some of the lily pads and other plants are growing back along the banks. It's not that much now, but it will be if they don't clean it out again for another 10 years. The fountains in the water there make it a lot nicer looking though... maybe some more of those too. - There are at least two smaller ponds... one by the log flume/ runaway mine train, and another by the bathrooms across from the dolphin show, by the kiddie coaster. The water in them is very dirty, and it would definitely look a lot better if it was cleaned, and maybe if some fish were added, especially to the one by the dolphin show. Right now theres a turtle or two, which is good... but they have their names written nicely on their shell, which looks bad. Non-painted on turtle shells is the way to go. - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. Also, if theres enough money, move the Parachutes attraction over by Skull Mountain and the kiddie land, and build it out over the lake. That would be a lot more scenic than a parking lot, and parents wouldn't have to walk as far with their kids to go on it. - Plant trees along the Superman fence so people in the Superman queue can't see the parking lot. I think as much effort as possible should be created to separate the world inside the park from the world outside. - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the better experience. - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice cameras). - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. - Have park map/showtime guides centers throughout the park, or more easy to find. - Have poles with labels or names on them in the parking lot for different sections. I think they used to have this, but they must've gotten taken out. The parking lot is really big, and theres a lot of cars. Need some kind of landmarks to narrow the search. I can think of more, but those are the main ones... and yet its all just the small stuff. The rides they have now are great for a days experience, there's nothing they're lacking too much of, though it wouldn't hurt to consider a dark ride for their next ride instead of a coaster. But even better, its not really adding things - its mostly taking things out or cleaning things up. I'm sure that they would lose revenue with the changes, like taking out the games and credit card promotion booths, but I think in the long run it would be the best thing to do, as it would improve the atmosphere a lot, hopefully starting to bring the family demographic back. And once that happens, the park is a lot better off - it seems that with families everywhere, there are less problems with vandalizing, graffiti, that sort of thing... the stuff thats going on at SFMM - but that would help improve the parks image, generate good press and word of mouth, and bring more people in. In general though, as much of the stuff there is that can be improved, I think the park is definitely heading in the right direction. They are doing a good job with starting to pay attention to the details and add the small touches... like placing speakers all around the park. In some areas they have themed music being played through them, mainly in the Frontierland type section... and it seems like a step towards the setup with sound IOA has. And its something small that adds a lot, and you don't really notice how much until you go to an area of the park that doesn't have the music playing in the background. There is also a lot of really good landscaping going on, like the clearing of the lake by the runaway mine train. They are also finally putting in things that should've been there from the start, like the tent on the Nitro queue. And the new coats of paint on several of the rides make them look great - Medusa should be next, as it looks pretty faded compared to the ones that just got painted. The Golden Kingdom section of the park is also really nice, and it feels more like Busch park than a Six Flags. If changes like this are going on at other SF parks, and continue, I think they are going to be in a lot better shape than they were in the past couple years, but I haven't heard much about it. Mike From CoasterDainan@aol.com Fri Jun 24 22:30:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97662 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.45.2ad61f6b (25711) for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45.2ad61f6b.2fee4547@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:27:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=BHdhHuoDo3KNg7LbeHI13IdRYePL01zX4n_lCqCq4jGgc-APAI4j X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/2005 1:00:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, filipm2@rpi.edu writes: - Houdini's Great Escape is open. We went on it, and it still is boring, especially the pre-show... you can barely hear the guy talking. Obviously you could barely here it, becuase the guy talking, is a girl. hehe. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jun 25 08:02:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8970 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 15:02:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:00:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200506250800.AA321978494@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re:Re: NEWS: Lindsay Fox buys Luna Park in Melbourne, Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=n58VFalCqwwU9lJYtmZqQFBDkmLCgsNDgBvGPnsnyH0beyJexpTG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >If anyone is interested in some of my bad photos < Don't knock yourself! Those are great photos, Cam. It really earns the Luna Park name; the park looks frozen in the 1920s. I'd really like to go there. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 09:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13006 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12900 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2005 16:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050625160201.12898.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.48.210.236] by web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:02:01 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:02:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=ra5AwAtsXk-0qCprlF-GvcdqcC02vyIUk2B8Qb3Be2aNkBY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jay, I am concerned about it. However, I think the chance of us losing seaside parks because of buy-outs is still greater at this point. There are some places like Morey's that I don't ever think will go anywhere. However there are some sucessful parks (like SCBB) and some parks doing ok that face the issue of their park being valuable because of where they are as opposed to what they are. I am sure it is tempting for owners that are offered one massive chunk for thier park to simply take the check and run. I think where the supreme court plays into this is having places like the Jersey shore where parks could be ousted for condos or other housing. Whatever happens, it will be interesting. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 09:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14552 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.149) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 53906 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2005 16:44:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050625164450.53904.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.48.210.236] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:44:50 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Gtct4Of73sbbFCve23In8-8MvQMQXMJH3PmSyAt9D7N5o2M X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy This would probably let you appreciate the drop a bit more. Adam Top Thrill seekers get stuck Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:59:30 AM Train stalls at top of tower for about 15 minutes with 18 aboard. http://www.pointbuzz.com/news.htm?id=644 By BRANDI BARHITE brandibarhite@sanduskyregister.com SANDUSKY - The Top Thrill Dragster lived up to its name on Friday evening when riders got stuck on top of the 42-story-high coaster. For 10-15 minutes, the coaster train sat "perfectly balanced" on the track until a Cedar Point maintenance worker took the elevator to the top and pushed the train forward over the hill, park spokesman Robin Innes said. This is the fifth time the hydraulically propelled coaster has stopped at the top of the hill since opening in 2003, and the second time it happened when riders were in the coaster, he said. No one was injured during Friday's incident, which happened around 6:20 p.m., and six of the estimated 18 riders on the coaster asked for -- and received -- another ride after returning to the ground, Innes said. The ride is typically less than 30 seconds long. Although Cedar Point warns riders of the possibility of a rollback, which is when the train fails to clear the hill and returns to the station, a train slowing down enough to balance itself on the hill is not as common. "It is all momentum," Innes said Friday. "Different conditions can affect momentum." The more wind resistance there is, the less the momentum there will be, and the more likely there will be a rollback, he said. Top Thrill Dragster shoots riders up the hill at speeds of 120 mph in four seconds. The Top Thrill Dragster continued to give rides after getting unstuck on Friday, Innes said. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Jun 25 10:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30989 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.195.41e868e6 (3956) for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <195.41e868e6.2feee7f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:01:39 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=2IqG3p4QsD-U3osqM8A4-CZHsVn1gXdIHzy2iu5w7HO2mv1O_NJP X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! I would so love for that to happen to me, but I'd want them to push me backwards, and get a re-launch! -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Sat Jun 25 11:10:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67730 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5PIAggk014093 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:10:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <195.41e868e6.2feee7f3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV5p6x4pSGBsOAZQluVibRrNDHpAwACTrAg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=TULeYEUhRCbEAumP9RHPwgi_yC_IPPjdMDPeTTKMAQF_Ty4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Heck, I'd have been trying to get the whole train to work with me to get the rollback. "Ok, everyone, thump backwards into your seat on 3..." I really honestly thought this would be nearly impossible -- I'd have thought that if the train were even a little bit off the "center point" mass-wise, it would eventually roll one way or the other. Obviously, that's not the case. Guess the top isn't a sharp enough curve :-) --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jun 26 10:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38329 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:04:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200506261004.AA484245728@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: NEWS: Unity of purpose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=XPmzCpNPgh8HPbV422VDHbRnqmqjgjmKxNzLY9oURK5QYHFWGWyF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I find this to be a really odd (and long) article that ran in today's local paper. I'm not sure what the point of it all is. But Kane doesn't seem to come off very well, especially his peculiar motto. ===== 'Operating with a unity of purpose' Mark A. Kane, Six Flags New England's new general manager, is upbeat about the park's growth plans, labor situation and safety by Dan Lamothe Sunday Republican (MA) 6/26/05 For some, taking over as the top official at a multi-million dollar attraction in a multi-national corporation would be a daunting task. For Mark A. Kane, though, it's the latest stop in a three-decade long career in the amusement park business that dates back to 1976, when he ran the "Big Mouth Cat" game at Six Flags Great Adventure as a college student in his home state of New Jersey. Kane took over as vice president and general manager of Six Flags New England in Agawam Jan. 3, inheriting a park that, although successful, has faced its share of struggles in the past year. Among those are a labor struggle, lagging finances for Six Flags Inc., the multi-national corporation that runs more than 30 parks, and the aftermath of a May 2004 accident that killed a frequent customer on the park's premier roller coaster, Superman Ride of Steel. Kane, though, is upbeat about the park's future, frequently describing his employees in glowing terms while hinting at an expansion he envisions for the park in coming years, with new thrill rides and family attractions possible. "One of the reasons I agreed to go here is because it has been designated as a growth property," he said. "Guests want something new. They want that newest, latest, greatest thing, and that's the path we're going to try and be on." Although details remain hazy, Kane, the former divisional revenue director at Six Flags Inc.'s headquarters in Dallas, said a committee will eventually be formed to decide how the park is suited to expand. "We're not going to be blinded by our long-term visions," he said. "Every guest who is here today gets the attention that they deserve." Kane joined the park less than a year after the death of Stanley J. Mordarsky, a 55-year-old Bloomfield, Conn., man who was killed after being hurled from the Superman Ride of Steel roller coaster May 1, 2004. Eventually found at fault for the accident by the Massachusetts Department of Public Safety, the park was sued by the Mordarsky family in September because of a "loss in faith in Six Flags (New England) and Intamin," according to the lawsuit filed against the park and the Switzerland-based manufacturer of the ride. Kane said Six Flags New England hasn't needed to make any philosophical changes as a result of the accident, which killed Mordarsky after his hand was severed by the coaster's wheels and he careened into a support column, falling 31 feet to the ground. "Our philosophies and strategies and approach to safety, it's always been our No. 1 priority," Kane said. "Make no doubt about it, we are a safe property." Joseph D. Farrell, a lawyer representing the Mordarsky family, confirmed the case was dismissed in U.S. District Court in New Haven, Conn., Jan 20, saying only that an out-of-court settlement "to the mutual satisfaction of all parties involved" was reached. A similar case involving a Buffalo, N.Y.-area man who survived being thrown from a roller coaster at Six Flags Darien Lake in 1999 resulted in a $4 million judgement in his favor. As Six Flags New England's top official, Kane also finds himself involved in a labor dispute which continues to boil beneath the surface at the park, according to labor advocates in the Springfield area. Jason D. Garand, a local organizer with the New England Regional Council of Carpenters, said although 12 mechanics and communication workers employed by the park went back to work after striking in February, the problems they had are still at hand. "We're still talking about issues of fairness with the workers," he said. "We're still talking about their conditions for work and their wages." Mechanics at the park earn about $13 to $15 per hour, a striking mechanic said in February. None of the park's workers belong to any union, but the strikers explored joining Garand's union. Garand said an unfair labor practice complaint has been filed against the theme park with the National Labor Relations Board, a federal department overseeing union issues and concerns. An election to decide whether the 48-person shop will join the Regional Council of Carpenters could be held in July, Garand said. Kane denied that there are still employees with labor issues working at Six Flags New England, calling the park a "very positive work environment right now." "The strike was executed by a very small percentage of our staff," Kane said. "Everyone is back to work. Things are moving along fine, and everyone is getting along fine now." Overall, the park has about 100 year-round employees. During the summer, the number of workers balloons to 2,500. Kane also is not fazed by financial reports detailing losses for the Six Flags corporation over the past four financial quarters, noting that the fiscal performance of Six Flags New England has been stable for the last several years. "We actually had a really good October here last year," Kane said, noting that the popularity of Fright Fest, the park's Halloween-themed attraction, has increased attendance for what traditionally had been one of the park's slowest months. "It's turned October into a peak time of year without eroding (attendance) for the business because it's uniquely different," Kane said. Kane said his motto, "You get what you expect, or you get what you accept," is a good fit for the park as it continues to move forward with plans to improve the experience guests in the park have. "The expectations here are currently very high at this park, and I think our guests will see a very definitive commitment to excellence here," he said. "We're operating with a unity of purpose at this park right now." ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jun 26 10:27:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80260 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:24:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200506261024.AA319946820@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=-JlSmyNqBit0QeYy6tNyicRjntBqOXkxQ1WMK7T02IdDSEw8Gef7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Train stalls at top of tower for about 15 minutes < Well the ride's just too quick anyway. I think this should be worked in as part of the coaster's experience. Just like on the B&M vertical drop coasters, a brake should be added to the peak of TTD and grab the train just as it crests the hill. The riders could then have time to absorb just how ridiculously high off the ground they are before being dropped straight down. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Jun 26 10:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93356 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5QHcagk000799 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:38:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV6dISjSbqpKiS4R8+9pJtUmlGzewAARuXA In-Reply-To: <200506261024.AA319946820@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=UndsqQCFgFXKznAr34k_YHs_DWfoIHY3pSvZBRTn1PbDzd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Jay Ducharme noted: > Well the ride's just too quick anyway. I think this should > be worked in as part of the coaster's experience. Just like > on the B&M vertical drop coasters, a brake should be added to > the peak of TTD and grab the train just as it crests the > hill. The riders could then have time to absorb just how > ridiculously high off the ground they are before being > dropped straight down. I dunno, the airtime THAT high up is kind of cool, too. The holding brake on the B&M's is cool for the first drop (only drop on Oblivion ;) ), but I find it kind of kills the pacing on Sheikra on the second vertical drop. For Sheikra I'd rather have the hold on the first vertical drop, but let the second flow on through... Hell of a ride, though. --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 12:16:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94298 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DmccO-0002D3-Jd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:16:36 -0400 Message-ID: <42BEFF1E.8050507@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:16:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> In-Reply-To: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784a0a1c3cc142586a678120a626311be6ec2d35696fadff2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6g65-g6wi8j0KUAFmfPkQ06DH0st6wQ0e72lwA1pCFAEMmk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Greg Legowski wrote: > The holding brake on the B&M's is cool for the first drop (only drop on > Oblivion ;) ), but I find it kind of kills the pacing on Sheikra on the > second vertical drop. For Sheikra I'd rather have the hold on the first > vertical drop, but let the second flow on through... > But Greg, that's what it does do. There is only a hold on the first drop, not on the second. However, the second drop is right after the magnetic midcourse brake, so if they are running all 5 of the trains, it will slow down to the point that it might feel like a pause. But when they're running 3 trains and the computer lets it, you'll absolutely roll through on the second drop. Honestly, of the two dozen or so rides I've had on Sheikra, I can count on one hand the number of them that haven't rolled through on the second drop, and one of those we actually sat on the midcourse for about 10 minutes. Normally though you should continue to roll, even if the speed does vary a bit depending on how much the brakes decide to slow you down on that particular run. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jun 26 16:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30329 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F30A9A7B for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:18:27 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> References: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DAD9362-A3AD-47ED-AB05-ADCFA2FBA22E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:18:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DjmvDous0ZV8kAgtc42qlXiV_ZW7Z35w_odT8bWXtqEZBB7a X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > I really honestly thought this would be nearly impossible -- I'd have > thought that if the train were even a little bit off the "center > point" > mass-wise, it would eventually roll one way or the other. > Obviously, that's > not the case. Guess the top isn't a sharp enough curve :-) Goes to show just how much friction there must be between the train and the track .. that center 'point' is probably a range of several inches. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Oh no, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Not again. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Jun 26 17:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46060 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5R0E0gk020570 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506270014.j5R0E0gk020570@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:14:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV6hCXl42ywgoDaTx+BTXR8TCPTSgAKM3zQ In-Reply-To: <42BEFF1E.8050507@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=jnRmkyZOuuLqNPg0Pie4mqlb9VSGyFpYlOUBFTv55IEcCk4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 George wrote: > But Greg, that's what it does do. There is only a hold on the first > drop, not on the second. However, the second drop is right after the > magnetic midcourse brake, so if they are running all 5 of the > trains, it > will slow down to the point that it might feel like a pause. > But when > they're running 3 trains and the computer lets it, you'll absolutely > roll through on the second drop. Interesting. The day I was there, they were definitely running 5 trains, and Derek and I were both POSITIVE there was a holding brake at the top of the second vertical. I guess I'm going to have to try to get back in the off-season now :-) --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 20:09:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4488 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dmk0A-0000pQ-2W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:09:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784a0a1c3cc142586a6512e99a60cf16d99b2db1c9cba0aec0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3Z0Y9qZ2zUuaIvf55jiFMVxr8YNku3eeZECQlbO5gfd6i7E X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I haven't been to the park, so can't comment on some of the park specific things, but did want to add in my 2 cents on some. Some very interesting thoughts you've put out- including several that seem like rather obvious ideas... Mike Filippone wrote: \ > - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside > the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the > park didn't know it was down, or why. The employees didn't know it was down? Are they really that stupid? With the major breakdown that it had, everyone in that park should be aware, and that it's not going to be open for several weeks at least. While they might not know why it's closed, or for how long, at the least they should know that it's closed and going to be for a while. > - Food. Sadly, your comments there would pretty much fit just about every Six Flags park out there. I don't know what the deal is with the lousy food in the chain, not to mention the high prices, but it would be nice to get some good food at the parks without having to leave. > > - Get rid of all the credit card promotion booths. No disagreement there. > - Get rid of all the games booths except for the ones in the > Boardwalk area for now. They make the park feel cheap, and it would > really open up and make some areas of the park a lot nicer. I don't know how it's set up at the park there, but at the parks I've been having several gaming areas is pretty much a norm, and they do tend to be pretty popular and good money makers. Otherwise you wouldn't see so many. But they can be done in a fashion that looks decent and not a bunch of junk. SFMM used to be nicely done in this regard. Now it's overdone and looks lousy. > - Get rid of all the things that you pay $1 to drive a remote control > car for 2 minutes, or whatever it is. I don't know how many they have, but as a parent, these silly things are a huge hit with the kids. But yeah, most of the ones I've seen don't look real good. I've always thought they could be made to look a lot nicer than they do. > Right now theres a turtle or two, which is good... but > they have their names written nicely on their shell, which looks > bad. Non-painted on turtle shells is the way to go. They wrote the names of the turtles on their shells? How lame can you be? > > - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. Duh. Wonder if that's new graffiti from this year or just lack of clean-up. > > - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot > ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. Personal preference on that one, and one that you probably won't find to many allies on. Upcharges are usually popular, and make money. And since when did most parks care how a ride contributes to the scenery. The thrillshots I've seen didn't look bad anyways. > > - Plant trees along the Superman fence so people in the Superman > queue can't see the parking lot. I think as much effort as possible > should be created to separate the world inside the park from the > world outside. Hehe, welcome to Six Flags- where theming doesn't matter and they're certainly NOT trying to keep the outside world out. That's a Disney and Universal thing (and to a lesser extent Busch) Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and Paramount really don't care that much about it. > > - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit > for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same > experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the > better experience. here's one where I'll not only disagree with you, but fairly strongly. If the people are willing to pay for the upcharge queueing system, let them. QueBot especially is done in such a way that it really doesn't add onto the regular lines and the couple of times I've used it, it's been a lifesaver in the park. I'm a huge Quebot fan, and won't hesitate to get it at a park that is looking busy. And my using it isn't going to make you wait any longer since there aren't that many people getting into Q-bot queues, at least not at the parks I've used them in. Now fastpass and some of the other systems, particularly the free ones, then I can agree with the beefs a lot more. :) > > - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking > pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take > money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at > least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 > Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice > cameras). Ahh, have to disagree with you again. For a regular park visitor, or someone not interested, just say no thanks and walk past. But for many vacationers and the like, those photos are a fantastic idea and a great souvenier. And why on earth spend so much money on a camera when it's not going to make a bit of difference in the quality of the photos that are going to be printed out. Especially not with the equipment and materials they're using. I can see not liking to dodge the photographers, but otherwise can't really agree on that one. > > - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the > rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I > overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with > only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to > work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were > pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. Leftover employees? Where did you find those at? OH, you mean from the pictures, qbot, and upcharges, which all more than pay for the employees working them? Take it from a guy working in a park, and with friends working in several- there are very rarely "extra" employees around. Oh, and 10-14 hour days are very much a norm during the busy summer season at a park. You expect it. If you don't like it, don't work at a park. I've had no problems at all with 12 hour days and getting one lunch (which, btw, is all you're required to have, and which you don't get paid for- hence why people don't want more than one lunch) and then a 15 every 2 hours or so. For the most part, it's not hard work. It's just the time on your feet in the heat. Long as you keep drinking water, you shouldn't have a problem. Seriously, those complaining about the long hours and hard work don't really have a clue what hard work is. I've had several jobs that were for more difficult, strenuous, and exhausting than working at the park is. > > - Have park map/showtime guides centers throughout the park, or more > easy to find. Can't comment about that specific park, but most parks will have them available in most of the shops and/or posted in various areas around the park. It's rare to have a park only have them posted in one place. Heck, even SFMM doesn't do that. :P > > - Have poles with labels or names on them in the parking lot for > different sections. I think they used to have this, but they must've > gotten taken out. The parking lot is really big, and theres a lot of > cars. Need some kind of landmarks to narrow the search. They don't have any markers in the parking lot? You have to be kidding. Yeah, that's one I would actually complain at guest services about, but that's a pretty obvious one. Someone missed the boat there. Thanks for the thoughts, comments, and sort of TR X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76527 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com (smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com [64.12.118.81]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-242bfbd5e192; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:48:30 -0500 Received: from [172.166.140.149] (ACA68C95.ipt.aol.com [172.166.140.149]) by smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5R8mPDu024848 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:48:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> References: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:52:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.81 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=8JC6qLkEY23W4Q4nbkbJs7Va6RHI82qNz6DaR-YOtPLq-ya5vS7L X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside >> the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the >> park didn't know it was down, or why. > > The employees didn't know it was down? Are they really that stupid? I was actually talking about the regular guests in the park... the wording was a little ambiguous on that. >> - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. >> > > Duh. Wonder if that's new graffiti from this year or just lack of > clean-up. It wasn't too bad, and looks like it was there for a while. It's only really on one or two wood poles that support a shelter for the queue while the track passes overhead, and it probably stands out a lot more because that's the only place I saw anything like that in the park. >> - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot >> ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. >> > > Personal preference on that one, and one that you probably won't > find to > many allies on. Upcharges are usually popular, and make money. And > since when did most parks care how a ride contributes to the scenery. > The thrillshots I've seen didn't look bad anyways. Small things, like Go Karts and Laser Tag (which unfortunately they removed for a lame arcade) don't really bother me since they aren't really as visible. But the big rides, like Sky Coasters, Thrill Shots, and them, I don't like that much since they dominate the skyline more. And then, because of that, the people you're with start saying, "Wow, that ride looks really cool." Then you tell them that they have to pay extra for it, and it kills it. SF did a pretty nice job landscaping the base of the Thrillshot, but from the other side of the park, it just clutters things up. Of course this is being really nitpicky. But from the ferris wheel, looking over there, there is the Skycoaster, GASM, Thrillshot, Parachutes, and then Kingda Ka, which is farther away than all of them. Kingda Ka, the ride the focus should be on now, has all of these semi-tall things in front of it, so it doesn't really look that tall. And two of them don't need to be there. I can be completely wrong, but long term, to me it doesn't seem like the upcharges can't be making that much money, at least to the point where it significantly affects the bottom line. And people in my area aren't saying, "Hey, I should go to Great Adventure... to go on the Thirllshot". >> - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit >> for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same >> experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the >> better experience. >> > > here's one where I'll not only disagree with you, but fairly strongly. > If the people are willing to pay for the upcharge queueing system, let > them. QueBot especially is done in such a way that it really doesn't > add onto the regular lines and the couple of times I've used it, it's > been a lifesaver in the park. My opinion on this one is that the negative views of the system by the people who don't use it outweigh the positive views of the people that do. Thats pretty much it... not because I don't think there are advantages. I don't think its good to have a guest waiting on line saying, "Hey, how come I just stood here for an hour and they got on after 5 minutes? Oh yeah, becuase they paid more than me." The more people that remember money is the bottom line, the worse it is for the park in the long run IMO. Besides, for the regular people, it sort of kills the anticipation of the ride, since it takes the focus off the ride and puts it on the people getting on without waiting. And for the few people who get stuck on rides and get a front of the line pass as compensation, its not as good. >> - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking >> pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take >> money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at >> least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 >> Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice >> cameras). >> > > Ahh, have to disagree with you again. For a regular park visitor, or > someone not interested, just say no thanks and walk past. But for > many > vacationers and the like, those photos are a fantastic idea and a > great > souvenier. To me its just one more thing before you get into the park. You just shell out $50 a person to get in, then go through the ticket booths and metal detectors, have to empty everything out of your pockets, and then theres 20 employees milling around with mid-range consumer cameras wanting to snap your picture. My main problem is that it's something that can easily be duplicated by an ordinary person. I wouldn't mind at all if they did it more like Hershey, where they have photo booths around the park, that have scenes that are nice and from around Hershey (like a Chocolate Kiss streetlight with a cartoon amusement park in the background, or a reeses coaster car with cartoon coaster in the background). That way, people who want it can go out of the way for it, and people who don't can look it and keep walking by (and I've gotten one or two keychains from those booths). And since the setting is a lot more unique, anyone regular person with a Powershot 400 can't get the same shot. >> - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the >> rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I >> overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with >> only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to >> work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were >> pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. >> > > Leftover employees? Where did you find those at? OH, you mean > from the > pictures, qbot, and upcharges, which all more than pay for the > employees > working them? Take it from a guy working in a park, and with friends > working in several- there are very rarely "extra" employees > around. Oh, > and 10-14 hour days are very much a norm during the busy summer season > at a park. You expect it. If you don't like it, don't work at a > park. This may just be me, but I could never work for 12 hours a day for 5 or 6 days a week and not look or feel drained by the end of the day. But with all the people that wouldn't be working games, pictures, upcharges... put them on smaller rides that aren't open (that I'm assuming is because of lack of employees to operate them). Or put more people on the bigger rides to help the crew increase the throughput on them. That way more people in the park benefit, and hopefully some of the people that weren't spending money will start because they're having a good time. And these people didn't sound like they were getting that many short breaks, and some looked a little drained, which then makes me start to remember how drained I am, and have less of a good time. On a side note, I've never worked at a park, so I'm not sure what its like. But right now the two summer/part time jobs I have are office help/web design work, and another is sound tech-ing... I also do a lot of film stuff, but haven't made money off that, its more for fun. But the companies and environment that I work in for both is really good, and from the outside it doesn't seem like the parks do that as much. I think parks should really go out of their way to make sure they're employees are having a good time, since it seems like they're not having the easiest time bringing in the amount of seasonal workers that they need to run the park. And if the people are having a good time, they're more likely to convince their friends to also work there. I'm not sure what the retention rate is for the people working the following year, so it could be pretty high for all I know. But I would think it would be more like 20% or lower, which isn't that great IMO. But like I said, I think the park is definitely on the right track... there is more improvement going on and attention to the smaller things, intsead of just adding a new ride and let everything else deteriorate like they had been doing since they were sold to Premier. If my biggest complaints are writing on a turtles back and people taking your pictures as you walk in, thats not too bad. Mike From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 07:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84809 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 95331 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2005 14:13:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20050627141322.95329.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:13:22 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:13:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Kid city- Whatever they wanna be at Wannado X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=kwg-yJclf9cAju4e1uHVV72oGnIuAGFZBPf--NuEw-6Qv0c X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050626/ENT21/506260379/1075 Kid city Whatever they wanna be at Wannado By Chris Wadsworth cwadsworth@news-press.com Published by news-press.com on June 26, 2005 Imagine every amusement park you’ve ever taken your kids to and then wipe those images from your mind. Wannado City in Fort Lauderdale is different from anything you or your wee ones have ever seen. Unlike a theme park filled with thrilling, far-out rides and fantastic cartoon characters, Wannado City is all about real life — but on a pint-sized, kid-friendly scale. It’s a $40 million miniature city where children can try their hands at being firefighters, doctors or beauticians. They can fly planes, spin records at a radio station and perform in a circus. They can play runway model, paramedic and even newspaper reporter. Trust me, it will blow their minds. Last month, my wife and I took our two older boys — Ryan, 5, and Adam, 4 — to Wannado City at the famous Sawgrass Mills outlet mall. The entrance fee is a bit steep — $29.95 for kids and $15.95 for those 14 and older. (The discrepancy is because this is a place exclusively for the young. Grown-ups pretty much pay to walk around and enjoy the fun vicariously.) Once you get past the ticket booth, you walk into a child's fantasy world — an entire indoor city spread out over an area equal to three football fields. Cobblestoned streets disappear around corners, all lined with tiny buildings. Kids rush about everywhere, squealing with delight. Some are wearing police uniforms and investigating a "break-in" at a shop. Others come zipping by in a miniature ambulance on their way to an "accident" scene. Look in one window and you see children playing dentist, examining the teeth in a dummy's gaping mouth while a grown-up "hygienist" helps out. Look in another window and you see a row of kids wearing chef's hats, preparing their own pizzas. Our first stop, after we recovered from the initial awe, was the bank. Ryan and Adam dutifully approached a teller and handed over the "checks" they had received upon entering. In return, they received a handful of the local currency — called wongas. They also received real, working ATM cards that they could use at wonga cash machines around the city. From there, we headed out onto the streets of Wannado City. We explored block after block of shops and businesses where kids can do what they "wanna do." Our first stop was the fully stocked Publix, where kids are given shopping lists (including pictures for pre-readers) and then let loose. Ryan and Adam pushed tiny shopping carts around, raising their hands in triumph each time they found an item on their list. When the cart was full, they headed to checkout, where other children manned the register and bagged the groceries. Kids are also paid wongas for the work they do. Outside the store, parents were relegated to a bench where we could watch the young'uns through the window. That's where we met Darren and Gloria Bowls of Battle Ground, Wash. They were watching daughters Kabrina, 6, and Macy, 4. "They always see Mommy shopping at the grocery store ... and they want to be like Mom. Well, right now, they are Mommy," said Gloria Bowls. "This gives them a chance to live out what they really want to be." The Bowls say there is something about children getting to do "grown up" things that really seems to capture the imagination, even more than the fantasy worlds created at other Florida parks. "Of everything they wanted to do when they came to Florida, they wanted to come do this," said Darren Bowls. "They didn't even want to go to Disney World." Some parents might worry that in all the hustle and bustle, kids could get lost. Wannado has this covered. Every family member who enters the city is given a wristband with a tiny transponder on it. At any time, you can walk up to multiple kiosks scattered around the city, press your wristband to it, and up pops a map that shows where you are and where your friends and family members are. You can even see where they're going, as you watch their little "dots" move around the screen. Reassuringly, children can't leave the property unless they're accompanied by the adults with whom they arrived. During the next few hours, Ryan and Adam trained as firefighters, rode an ambulance, helped carry a patient into the hospital operating room and decorated cookies at a bakery. We stopped at the "fair" where the boys rode on a train, a merry-go-round and a swinging ship. We also made several trips back to the Publix, which seemed to have bewitched my boys. The attention to detail in the park is stunning. Manhole covers are engraved with "City of Wannado." There are trees, benches, working stop-and-go lights and wrought-iron streetlights. There are bus stops and a little city bus making a circular route, perfect for kids and parents too tired to walk another step. There are several restaurants, with adult workers serving real food to hungry families. We sampled the cheese pizza, the waffle fries and the chicken fingers. (Actually, I should say I sampled them. The boys were far too excited to be bothered with something as trivial as food.) After lunch, Ryan headed to the police station. Here, he and the other cadets were issued jackets, hats and walkie-talkies. I knocked on the window and waved at Ryan. He gave me a sheepish look, shrugged his shoulders and rolled his eyes at the boy sitting next to him. There it was, ladies and gentlemen — I had officially mortified my son in public for the first time. My little officer spent some time in a "training room" learning about detective work and then he and his new pal, Rande, 6, were released onto the streets to hunt down bad guys and bring them to justice (in this case, a jail with rubber bars and a "real" courtroom with a judge and jury). As this new dynamic duo disappeared around a corner, we met Rande's mother, Randi Hoffman (yes — their names sound the same, and no — I didn't ask why). "He just loves it here," said Hoffman, who lives with her son in nearby Pembroke Pines. "He can't get enough of it. The mine, the fire station, the police station. The only thing is you can't come on a weekend. The lines are insane." (We were there on a Monday and the place was still plenty crowded.) While Ryan and Rande went off on patrol, Adam went to fly a plane. Upstairs, there's a nearly full-size mock-up of a Spirit Airlines jet. (Everything in Wannado City seems to be sponsored by some real-life company or another.) A "flight attendant" helped Adam into a seat where he faced a large control panel, steering wheel and three big, wrap-around screens. Like a giant video game, Adam took the plane through a pre-flight checklist, then rumbled down the runway and into the sky. The computer doesn't let you crash, which is a good thing, since Adam was pushing and pulling on the controls like a madman. While some cities may never sleep, that's not the case at Wannado City. As the afternoon wound down, the crowds thinned out. It was all we could do to pry the police walkie-talkie from Ryan's hand, but eventually, he gave up. The real grown-up world was intruding on his play grown-up world once again. As we left, the boys babbled nonstop, comparing notes on their favorite "jobs" during the day, on the "coolest" things they had seen and done. (This went on for several days.) Meanwhile, my wife and I realized that — despite spending hours at Wannado City — we had barely scratched the surface of all the things the boys would "wanna do" there. In other words, we will be back. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jun 28 16:36:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43391 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:36:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200506281636.AA619446456@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Working in a park (was TR (sort of)) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=vDoI-naLCybEPC-rZt27ihb8ISEfG4d020rn9_f8HyQ4F3Po9lJN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > On a side note, I've never worked at a park, so I'm not sure what its like. < Like any job, it had its ups and downs. I worked at parks for a good chunk of my life. I love the amusement business, so that was a plus. But when I was on my feet all day in the blazing sun in 100-degree temperatures with 80 percent humidity, the novelty wore off really quickly. There were so many times when I just wanted to whack a guest upside the head for being so stupid. (And I saw a *lot* of really dumb things!) But I had to keep remembering that they were paying to be stupid, to basically be taken care of and have a good time. My job was to make sure they had fun and stayed safe. By the end of each day, I would be totally spent. And the next day I was willing to do it all over again. There was nothing glamorous about the job. Running the rollercoasters and Ferris wheels was fun because there was so much to do the day flew by quickly. Running kiddie rides was sometimes like a death sentence. Being a break man was fun, but I never got to settle in to a ride for very long. Possibly the most boring job I've ever had was as the attendant at the bottom of the Mountain Park Skyride. It was twelve hours a day of bugs and silence. (And there were workers who would battle to get assigned there!) It seemed more like a punishment. IMO, the best ride was Mountain Park's carousel. It wasn't too physically strenuous and I was free to roam about the huge building while operating it. I was always busy with something, checking the gates, changing lightbulbs, sweeping up, fixing stirrups. All of our kids have worked in various departments at amusement parks, and they've enjoyed it too. It sure beats a lot of other options out there. Unfortunately, in New England it's strictly seasonal. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jun 29 08:39:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41772 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 15:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 15:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 15:39:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 15:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 15:38:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:38:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.86.164 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=gozASSGT-p5e_vh25UPEQ0KYp0DcUZuR2qN3W-ZmvEYQAM0c X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 From Jay: There were so many times when I just wanted to whack a guest upside the head for being so stupid. (And I saw a *lot* of really dumb things!) But I had to keep remembering that they were paying to be stupid, to basically be taken care of and have a good time. This post reminds me of some of the blog entries from Paula Werne at Holiday World. Questions (actually asked by guests) such as "Do you all have any water rides where you don't get wet?" and comments such as, "These park maps [the hand-held ones, not the big permanent signs] would be a lot easier to read if they had one of those little 'You are Here' arrows." That said, I have a question for some of our members who are also park employees: What is the ONE thing (or perhaps couple of things) that you wish you could tell every guest to remember, which would make your job a whole heck of a lot easier? Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who has only 23 days of bachelorhood remaining! From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 10:07:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91739 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dng2G-0001oN-85 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:07:40 -0400 Message-ID: <42C2D55B.5030307@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:07:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782d1025dbe3a34818cec3dac135056283c1d0d115f044f336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=AOIsSGI_brGKXS7iWHLPv8VXB8244IBpcUvrOPQWetEm5vg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zerkel wrote: > That said, I have a question for some of our members who are also park > employees: What is the ONE thing (or perhaps couple of things) that > you wish you could tell every guest to remember, which would make your > job a whole heck of a lot easier? Hmm, lots to choose from. Probably "please dispose of your cigarette butts in the right place (not just throwing it on the ground)" or to read their map which has all the showtimes and info on it. Otherwise I really haven't had any real problems there. But then it's only been a month and a half so far... :) > Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a > post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, > typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. > Not sure how much detail I can get into in some aspects of the job because of non-disclosures, and since I work on Rhino Rally, my procedures are quite a bit different than other rides are. Our ride vehicles are full fledged Land Rovers and we really drive them- no tracks or automation involved. There are several places to work on Rhino Rally- height stick (greeting people, making sure the kids are tall enough to ride, answering questions, e.g. "yes, the wait really is that long.", and otherwise standing around looking for anything unusual. Load tries to pick out a "navigator" to sit up front with the driver, help people board, open/close the safety gates, check seat belts, and when everyone is secured, clears the land rover to be dispatched. Unload helps the people off the land rover and looks for items left behind. The most fun spot, at least for me, is driving. You drive the Land Rover around the course while giving a spiel to the guests that includes, but is not limited to, various facts about the animals that they're seeing, ride storyline, general info, and hopefully a good number of laughs. Depending on circumstances, you may end up "lost" and on a bridge that breaks away and floats you down a river, which involves more spieling. The better the storytelling and personality in the driver, the better the ride. For Rhino Rally, the driver can completely make or break the ride. I liken it to Jungle Cruise on land. Mornings include cleaning the grounds (hosing, blowing, etc), picking up the land rovers after maintanace has cleared them for the day, and various duties like that. Closing, after all the guests have riden, we buckle up all the seatbelts, empty the garbage cans, drive the Rovers back to their parking places, and then head out for the evening. Work shifts usually range from 8-13 hours, with one lunch period (about 35 minutes long) and a 15 minute break every two hours or so, or, if you're driving you usually get a 15 after 5 trips. And you drink lots of water since you're out in the heat, humidity, and storms. We're also the only place in BGT where we're allowed to wear sunglasses while working since we have to drive. If you want to know more, feel free to ask. The more specific the better, and if it's not pushing the NDA, I'll be happy to answer as well as I can. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 17:34:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5136 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.48.210.236 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Flatride photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=JOFewUO4tf4aTW2ipwqR1l5c0f-YIxsdzsq3iLm1_d4GNLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I have had several people send me pics for flatrides.com. Unfortunately I am having a ton of problems with the internet connection at home, so those won't be up for a while. Thanks for all of the RCT'ers that have donated photos recently and over the years. Adam From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jun 29 17:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9816 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.7b.483c3922 (18555) for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.483c3922.2ff4998c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:40:44 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Flatride photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=FosR2KzgAIb-eCinfpcJpR_CCr0lumypjRsdAzLSyRc6MO6yzyHN X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your welcome Adam, good luck with the conection. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jun 29 18:43:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23102 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.103.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Mountain Flyer Blueprint X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=jzKrdOaqP9gKBCTJpZzuVU4ZXH8xSd8sL7bVChJOlqlcdVWmGJVv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Howdy all. I've just posted a piece some of you might find interesting about an old rumor regarding the construction of the Mountain Flyer. > http://www.karenandjay.com/mtpark/mpblog/flyerprint.html < Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 30 12:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33669 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:30:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.102.118 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=8L-L4yWXBk8F4oeAMf1oBu_ua1SvLa3Tt7SgvrYYTJJJ6YXZ9_i8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. < This might fit the bill. Check out a new blog I just posted: > http://www.karenandjay.com/mtpark/mpblog/bigeli.html < Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 22:09:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70080 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2005 05:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2005 05:08:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 05:08:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 10236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Nasu Highland Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tyRJ5PrVcFSqiN8lmUr7m89tJdHboZE6-ije6Ih4cKSy_HuY6A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Date: Saturday, 25 June 2005 Park: Nasu Highland Park (Fantasy Pointe?) Weather: Upper 80`s, humid and overcast, scattered showers I took the Keikyu line to Shinagawa, transferred to the Yamanote line for Tokyo Station, then boarded a Tohoku line Shinkansen for NasuShiobara, transferred again to the Tohoku JR line one station and changed to a bus for the park. Total transport, round-trip was about $130. Entry and free pass was 4900 yen ($45) I had many issues this day from lost train tickets, forgotten change, left my CC at home, etc. I missed the bus I wanted, causing me to arrive back home almost two hours later than I had planned. I was pretty stressed and I almost gave up on this trip, but I'm now less than five coasters from hitting #400, so I forged on. Here is my thoughts on the park and coasters, minus my headaches. A huge "domo arigato gozaimasu" goes to the park manager who helped me shortly after I arrived at the park. I arrived at Nasu Highland about 11:15, and proceeded to the Dragon, a small trailer-mounted powered-coaster, but I don't think that it is an actual Go Gator, so I took a spin. Two round trips, basic helical course, but surprisingly quick. Next up, I climbed up to Panic Drive's elevated station. Neon pink and mint green, with blue and yellow antique car trains, this custom mouse is a Meisho creation. The four passenger cars roll out of the station, dropping slightly and curving around 180 degrees to the left on it's way to the lift. From the top the train drops through another left turn and rises up into two standard switchbacks before dropping again. The car rises for one switchback, followed by two 225 degree turns. After dropping slightly and rising again, the train hit's the breaks before a final 180 degree left turn into the station. There was one trim brake that engaged when I rode with two other adults, but allowed an unchecked ride when I rode alone. Not particularly thrilling, and without even the slightest pop of air, the saving grace of this mouse was that it wasn't a cookie cutter coaster. After Panic Drive, I checked out the LEGO display nearby. The best part was a showing of the CG animated short; LEGO Star Wars: Revenge of the Brick. This 5 minute, zero dialogue film has appearances by most of the cool characters in ep. III, but no boring bits. It is hysterical at times, and was a highlight of my day. The website shown was treehouseanimation.com, maybe it's available for viewing online. Also in this area were a miniature railroad and flying Dumbo-like ride. Next up I hit a curry / pasta buffet (1600 yen) that didn't do anything special for me before heading across the stream that cuts through the park and hitting F2: Fright Flight. This Vekoma SLC wasn't too rough, but I did ride defensively, just in case. With a fresh coat of paint in purple and aqua, with yellow and pink in the station, this was the best looking SLC I have ever seen. (I think this was about my 12th one!) Two trains, the orange and black one operating, and the yellow and black in the barn Also in this area were: River Adventure, (rapids ride, but closed) Top Gun, (Top Spin) Salsa, (Rok n Rol, mentioned recently on this board) a 50 meter Ferris wheel an Enterprise, a walk-through called "Hell Ship" a 3D theatre and Go Karts on a very slick tri- oval. Next I worked my way down to Batflyer, which I believe is the only operating Caripro suspended coaster left. Up to two riders sit on wide bicycle seats, with a seat belt and a cage around your lower body, the position wasn't particularly comfortable. You roll forward about 4 feet before slamming into the stop on the elevator-lift. Ouch! At the top of the lift you roll forward again, and swoop around a large diameter curve picking up a surprising amount of speed before hitting a trim brake, Ouch again! Curving around again towards the station, you hit another trim (Ouch!) before stopping in the station. In all it is over in about 40 seconds, and although it was an interesting concept, the application left a lot to be desired, IMO. BF also had a fresh coat of paint, purple track with black supports. Continuing down the slope, I passed under a giant jukebox and through a 50's themed area complete with vintage autos, diners etc. Next I passed into Coaster Plaza, the location of the park's final four operating coasters and the SBNO Lightning Coaster. (It really looks like a Schwartzkopf, but RCDB lists it as built by Meisho, but designed by Anton. First I hit Thunder Coaster, (Lightning's brother?) another Meisho coaster, also with a fresh coat of paint, lime green with white supports. The cars had a cool black and green jagged paint job. Lightning isn't as rough as either an Arrow or Vekoma corkscrew, but there isn't much to it besides the two screws. One odd feature is a trim brake on the first drop! Next I hit the large red with white supports Camel Coaster. (I don`t get the name either) The lift heads towards the 50's area before turning at the top and behind LC and Big Boom to run it's out and back / double figure-eight path. With ramp like drops and hills, there wasn't much air at either end of the train, but the pacing was great, picking up speed almost all the way to the end. The transitions were a little abrupt, but in the back you can see them coming and prepare yourself. Not amazing by any means, but certainly enjoyable. Yet another Meisho this was the only one that didn`t get new paint yet. Next up was Big Boom, Meisho again, in blue and white, and a train that looks at least 50 years old! The lift hill is by far the slowest I've ever experienced making even Leap the Dips seem fast! One minute and twenty seconds after engaging the chain, creeping up the hill, grade changing slightly throughout the first third of the hill, eventually you do actually crest the hill and coast slowly around a high turn around before dropping at between 75 and 80 degrees! In the front you float down the drop. In the back, you are pinned to the OTSR's for a full 4 seconds of what felt to be about -2 G's. BIG DIFFERENCE! At the bottom of the first drop you are pressed into the seat as you rapidly turn from falling to rising. In the front, there is a bit of air as you crest this hill, but it is over quickly before you drop down into the single vertical loop. After the loop, you rise up into the turn back towards the station. Up here you hit a trim before the drop, during the drop, and two more before the station. The last coaster, Spin Turn Coaster, is a new addition as well, and Meisho did a great job working it over, around and through both BB and TC. This bright yellow track with white supports weaving through the other two coasters really makes this end of the park look like a big spaghetti mess of track. The ten car trains have individually spinning cars, and I ended up in the second car in the train. The lift hill has an odd rollback stop system I have never seen before and I couldn't figure out how it works. I'll be sending a batch of photos to Duane at RCDB, and he tends to use most of what I send, since I seem to get to some out of the way parks. I'll let you all know when/if he posts the shots I took at NHL, including a good shot of these rollback stops. As for the ride itself, its not particularly fast, and there isn't any air at all, but the cars spin freely all the way from the bottom of the lift (I went up sideways as I was the only person in my car, which was a little uncomfortable, but at least the lift was much faster than Big Boom!) to the end of the ride before being straightened out as you enter the station. The spinning isn't crazy fast like some spinning mouse can get if loaded right, and not as slow as the spinning on a controlled spinner such as Euromir at Europa park. This made for a comfortable sensation, but I was surprised that I could easily reach the side of the car behind / next to me as I spun. The admonition to keep your arms inside the coaster at all times definitely should be heeded on this ride! As I had almost two hours to kill before the next bus, I re-rode all of the coasters, and hit a few rides I wouldn't ordinarily ride such as the Space Shot, Dark Castle, Sky Balloons, (like parachutes, but the cycle lifts you to the top twice and the drop is much slower.) Go Karts, and the Water Coaster (actually just a log flume). There were actually many other flats such as teacups, double inverter, a scrambler / octopus with an alien theme, a beautiful double-decker menagerie carousel, frog hopper, flash dance, a very well maintained wave swinger and a few others, plus the kiddie rides near the carousel. Additionally, there were some Japan only attractions such as two different fishing areas (one stream and one pond) a stag beetle hunting cage, a foot-spa, Shetland pony rides, and two different styled gardens. All in all, I was impressed with Nasu Highland's cleanliness, theming (6 zones, but some blended into others), very nice landscaping and gardens, as well as efficient and friendly ride ops. (OK, the last are practically standard at all amusement parks here in Japan, but I like to mention them as a plus anyways.) The only detractor for me was that the park is a little bit difficult to navigate, but that is mostly due to the slope of the park and the small ravine running through part of it. All of this is tied together by the near constant presence of the park's mascot, Woopy, a bird whose type I can't begin to guess who wears a stars and stripes bow tie. Although the coasters aren't particularly amazing, they are mostly unique, and I had a pretty good time in spite of some afternoon rain and those other headaches. Chris B Who is running out of parks to visit in Japan! Nagashima Spa Land, Parque Espana, Mitsui Greenland, Kijima Amusement Park (if I want the last woodie in Japan) and three coasters that were either closed when I went or not open yet: Linear Gale, Space Mountain and Raging Spirits is pretty much all I want to hit, and two of those parks will likely require plane tickets instead of train, gulp! From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jul 02 13:06:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93843 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:05:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200507021305.AA967246154@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=eN1QRr8VPSFpuO83AIHWoJRDendF_Wv6mwzBSb9th7CBi9g3Mu3L X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On the first of July, Karen and I took advantage of her day off from work and made a visit to New York's Great Escape. It was a two-and-a-half hour drive from our home, but entry was free with our Six Flags season passes. A new section was added for this year, Looney Tunes National Park. I wasn't sure what to expect. I thought that perhaps some kiddie rides had been placed on the midway where the old Storytown area was. We got to the park at about 11:00. Route 9, where the park sits, appeared to have more development along it. There were new restaurants and stores. The park had re-worked its parking area across the street. It was expanded pretty far back. The sky was thickly overcast and the crowd was fairly light, so we were able to park close to the front of the lot. Something that caught our eye immediately was a massive construction project about a block down the road. It appeared that Great Escape was finally getting that hotel they had wanted for years. Karen said it looked like it was going to have an indoor waterpark as well. Not much else outside the park appeared to have changed much. We walked through the entrance gates, up to the turnstiles and showed our passes. As we entered the International Village, the comforting familiar stone walkway greeted us. The old boar fountain was still there, though it was dry. There was a Guest Relations room that I thought was new. And there were the usual gift shops. For the heck of it, we stopped in a couple of them. But unfortunately, the Six Flags metamorphosis was almost complete. There were lots of Looney Tunes toys, as we expected. But joining them were Superman, Batman and Green Lantern toys. Plus there was the ubiquitous Mr. Six everywhere, from dolls to mouse pads. There also seemed to be different music playing. It was somewhat patriotic (like Yankee Doodle) but sounded as if it was perfromed by a small Irish band. The old photo shop near the rest rooms had been replaced with a booth labeled, "Six Flags Great Escape Lodge." There were artist renderings inside the booth. An attendant was cheerfully handing out small brochures. It indeed was going to have an indoor waterpark along with the hotel, just like Cedar Point's Castaway Bay (but much smaller), and was scheduled to open this winter. That seemed a bit optimistic given that they were still framing the structure. The waterpark roof was supposed to be made of a material called Texlon that lets in UV rays so that guests can tan. At the three-way juncture of International Village was a shop that had huge SALE signs in its windows. So we stopped in. Another cheerful employee told us it was a new store that they were trying out. We were hoping to find some older Great Escape souvenirs, but mostly it was Six Flags merchandise that apparently hadn't been selling well. Most of the merchandise was modestly discounted (a $15 shirt for $12). We walked through to another store that had random stuffed animals. We headed up the steep paved path to the big yellow Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe display. The slide off of its second level was long gone, and the opening to it had been boarded up. But we were glad it was still there. Then we walked down through the original Storytown area with its nicely detailed kid-sized village. The little Mother Goose ride had been removed. In its place was an empty space surrounded by the ride's fence. Cinderella's castle looked good. The horse-drawn pumpkin coach was making its rounds. The moat around the castle -- once blue, filled with water and accented by two fountains -- had been painted beige and was dry. The petting zoo opposite it looked quite colorful with bright canvas tops over all the animal cages. We walked through, looking at the various goats, llamas and birds. Nearby was a new Funnel Cake stand. We walked past it and around the corner where the carousel sat and headed down toward the new area. As we rounded the next corner at the base of the big pool (where another diving show retread was taking place, with the same tired lip-synched antics), we saw Looney Tunes National Park. It was quite a jarring experience. I was so used to looking over at a winding path where the big pink whale sat along with the little buildings and Jack and Jill climbing up the hill. Instead a bright yellow Zamperla Crazy Bus was rising and falling, swings were spinning...it looked like a Six Flags midway. In front of us was the old schoolhouse, transformed into the Ranger Station. Brightly painted in cartoony primary colors, complete with cartoony mailboxes out front, it perfectly set the tone for the area. Inside the little building, some of the schoolhouse trappings remained. But instead of a teacher's desk, the dominant feature was a TV -- with a "rabbit ear" antenna -- playing a very old Bugs Bunny cartoon. But the soundtrack wasn't the cartoon at all. It was commentary from animators on the history of what we were watching, from how Elmer Fudd developed to the different animators who worked for Warner Brothers. I thought that was a nice touch. There were little schooldesks so kids could sit there and learn about animation. Heading into the main section, I noticed a "No Smoking Area" sign, an unusual and welcome addition. To the left, where Jack and Jill used to romp, the hill had been removed and in its place was the Krazy Bus. Behind it was some delightfully colorful stonework. To the right was a midway game. Beyond that was a humorously-themed kiddie swing called Taz's Tornado. The arms of the swing were actually the Tazmanian Devil's cartoon arms. His head spun around on top of the ride. It was really well themed. In fact, all of the many rides displayed wonderful attention to detail. Another classic Storytown building had been given new life. The old Three Bears house, which used to be attached to an actual bear cage, had been renovated into Granny's place. Inside it was a small bedroom with pictures of Tweety and Sylvester on the wall. Behind it was the little Elmer Fudd Scenic Railway. The old Coco Loco Cafe, one of the most forgettable eateries in the park, had been transformed into the Character Cafe. It featured pretty standard prepared food (hot dogs/hamburgs/fries). The Wilderness Theater, where there used to be animal shows, was redecorated for Looney Tunes shows. And at the very end of that section, one of our favorite attractions was still there, but closed. Instead of a giant gorilla, Jungle Land's familiar double-gabled hut featured a poster of Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck in "Rabbit Seasoning." I tried to stand on a ledge to look over the fence and see what was in there, but a nearby maintenance worker shooed me away. Karen and I stood there and looked at the beautifully landscaped grounds around us, the happy children eagerly climbing onto the rides...and we somehow felt sad. The Great Escape was no longer Charlie Wood's park. Looney Tunes National Park made that quite clear. I really appreciated the nods to history, though. There was a lot of thought put into keeping bits of Storytown and seamlessly integrating it into the theme. I think the management has done a spectacular job, and I'm sure the area is going to be a big hit. It kept Charlie Wood's idea of a children's park and brought it into the 21st century. But we couldn't help feeling sad for what had been lost. This was at last no longer the park we had grown to love. What brought us back time after time to Great Escape was its uniqueness. It had so many things no other park had, from the corny old Tornado dark ride to the long Ghost Town Train, to Jungle Land and Alice in Wonderland, to the silly children's songs that played throughout most of the park. That's what we loved about it. We just loved relaxing with the park's slow-paced frozen-in-time atmosphere. Under Six Flags' management, the growing park has wrestled with an identity crisis of sorts, whether it was a family park or a thrill park, whether it was a Storytown or a Six Flags. It was very obvious, standing in Looney Tunes National Forest, that the park was unequivocally a Six Flags park. There was no going back. That's what made us sad. From there we made the slow progress across the newly-paved bridge toward Oktoberfest. We stopped into the Mad Hatter gift shop, which no longer sold hats. It had yet another assortment of Looney Tunes items. We took a relaxing ride on the old Sky Ride and then headed to the very back of the park and toward our old friend The Comet. Hidden away behind Splashwater Kingdom, isolated from all the other rides, what was possibly the world's greatest wooden roller coaster looked so lonely. Very few people were in line. Maybe the park could use the vast amount of space around the coaster to install a few flat rides and bring more people down that end. Happily, both trains were running even though they were 3/4 empty. We had a 1 train wait for the front seat. I was glad to see that the track looked as if it had been greased. We climbed into the red train, clipped the single seat belt, lowered our lap bars and headed off. On the slow turn to the lift hill, I could feel the train hunting, bouncing back and forth between the rails. The hillside behind the coaster, which once was nothing but dirt, now was dotted with grown trees. The chain performed its infamous speed increase, yanking us over the lift hill at an alarming pace. We flew down the first drop and hit the bottom with tremendous force, jackhammering a bit. But that was about the only really rough spot. The rest of the course was taken with impressive speed and non-stop air. But the positive Gs had gotten a bit too intense for me. A good re-tracking could bring the ride back to its old glass-smooth self. Still, we were happy to be reunited with such a storied coaster. Perhaps on more crowded days the Comet would be busier. But I wish it had a place of more distinction within the park, where it could really be shown off. When it was assembled at Great Escape, it was the biggest thing in the park and only the second roller coaster there. So it was naturally a big draw. It was the reason people walked all the way back there. But with so many distractions in the Six Flags version of the park (including five other roller coasters) the poor Comet seemed to be ignored. We were getting hungry. As we passed through the Oktoberfest section, though, we had to take a walk through Alice in Wonderland. We entered under the giant tree and popped out in that hidden fantasy world. Like the Comet, with so many other distractions in the park I wondered how many people bothered with this simple pleasure. There was a large open area in the center of the display. That would make a terrific place to put in a small teacup ride themed to the Mad Hatter. The entrance to the queue could be through that giant tree. That would allow the park to keep Alice in Wonderland intact, but at the same time bring in another family ride. We could tell the park wasn't that crowded because Itza Pizzeria was normally mobbed. But when we got there, only four people were in line. Each queue there used to have an entrance and an exit. But for some reason, there was only one queue for both entering and exiting and that made for a bit of confusion. There were six people behind the counter, yet no one seemed to be doing very much and only one queue line was open. We stared at the selection and prices. Gone were the old slices of cheese pizza, a quarter of a whole pie, that cost only $2.50. The choice was either a 16-inch pizza for $15.95 (Wow! That's a dollar an inch!) or an 8-inch personal pizza for $4.99. I ordered the 8-inch and Karen ordered the cheese-filled breadsticks. A small soft drink was $3.49 and a large one was $3.69. Why would anyone bother with the small one? It was cheaper to order more than you could drink and throw some of it away. Thankfully, the umbrellas were back at the picnic tables. But oddly, instead of being inserted into the proper holes in the middle of the ttables, the umbrellas were strapped to the fence next to the tables and placed between them. My pizza was slightly burnt and difficult to describe. It tasted a bit like zucchini. Karen's breadsticks were sort of like doughy mozzarella sticks, but tasted better than my pizza. Our drinks were just bloody huge. A gaggle of geese sat across from us on a patch of grass next to the Swan Boat stream. There were three small children clinging to the fence and staring at the geese. The kids' mother was trying to get them to look at the nearby Boomerang coaster. But the kids didn't care about the rides. They were fascinated by the animals. Since we were right next to it, we hopped a ride on the Storytown Train. On the park map, the ride was listed as closing at dusk. A night ride on the train might be fun, but since it traveled through an isolated forested area the park was probably concerned about wild animals on the tracks. The train operator reminded me of some of the characters I used to work with at Mountain Park, carney guys who were friendly and harmless but looked a bit scary. This guy was probably in his 50s, wore an odd hat with no brim, had tatoos on his arms, a blond moustache and was missing teeth. He walked as if he was about to fall over any minute. There were only two other people in line besides us. We sat down and a few minutes later the operator came over to us and in a hushed voice welcomed us to the ride and told us to keep all our bodily parts inside the train. He walked over to the engine, and a group of guests walked up to the gate at the end of the train. So he walked all the way back to the gate to let them in. When the were seated, he gave them the spiel. As he walked toward the engine, more guests entered the queue. So again he went back to the gate to let them in. All through this the guy was unfailingly pleasant. Great Escape had some of the friendliest employees this side of Idlewild. Eventually the train was full and with a loud toot of the whistle we were off. I looked ahead at the track, which seemed disturbingly crooked. The rails wavered back and forth along the course. In many areas, the ballast under the track had disappeared and weeds had completely obscured the rails. We passed by the spare train, which since Six Flags bought the park had gradually deteriorated. Its paint had faded and peeled off and most of the metal had badly rusted. A maple tree was growing along the side of it, beginning to surround the metal. Looney Tunes National Park reflected beautifully in the stream as we passed it. But it looked like we were in a different park. We passed by the old Jungle Land. All of the animatronics were gone, but the rope bridge was still there. We could also see the giant tiki statue still standing at what used to be Jungle Land's exit. To our right we could see the maintenance area. There sat the Jungle Land animatronics and the big pink whale, like abandoned children. After arriving back at the station we noticed that Thunder Alley, the beautifully maintained set of 50s Cadillac cars, had very few people in line. There were two operators, one at the entrance and one at the exit. We queued up and the line moved fairly quickly. Then all the cars suddenly stopped. A little girl was in a car only a few feet from the exit ramp. The ride operators walked out across the track, evidently looking to see how many cars were stuck on the course. We waited a few minutes, and a maintenance man arrived. There were three empty cars closest to the station. He began working on those, disengaging the motors and pushing them into the station. I thought it odd that nobody bothered to help the little girl out of her car. Finally, the maintenance man pushed her car the few feet up to the exit ramp and she got out. Someone asked a ride attendant how long it would be, and the answer was, "A while." So we left the queue. As we walked away, we could see a little boy stuck in a car at the far turn. He looked completely helpless there, and no one was paying attention to him. It seemed like the least they could have done was escort him over to the exit. My camera battery died, so we walked back to the car to put it (and a bag Karen was carrying) away. We got our hands stamped with simple black letters that read, "PARK." Then we re-entered and headed for Ghost Town. We passed by the Elvis imitator that the park has featured in the Jollytree Theater for a few seasons. He didn't look much like Elvis. He didn't sound much like Elvis. But he had a white sequined jumpsuit with a high collar and a pompadour haircut and porkchop sideburns. People seemed to be enjoying it. I was glad Six Flags kept the cave entrance to Ghost Town with the waterfall cascading down. It was a great idea Charlie Wood had, to bring guests magically out into a completely different land. That section of the park was fairly deserted. We headed for the Poland Spring Plunge, one of our favorite flumes. It was closed. Nightmare at Crackaxle Canyon, the indoor Jet Star coaster, didn't interest us. And neither did Canyon Blaster, possibly the shortest adult coaster ever created. We wandered through the large gift shop. Nothing caught our eyes. There was a small Roy Rogers lunchbox selling for $13.95. There was a whole section of John Deere souvenirs, but nothing that would remind us of our day at Great Escape. We walked down the hill by Canyon Blaster's helix. The train was rolling through its brief course, and was eerily silent except for the clanky Arrow lift hills. On the way down the hill we stopped into the quaint little ice cream shop. There used to be delicious handmade blueberry ice cream there. But that was replaced by Dippin' Dots and Edy's hard ice cream. We looked over the limited flavor selections. The sign listed vanilla and vanilla bean among them. We looked at the freezer and saw two similar containers. We asked which was which. The young man behind the counter quietly replied that they were both vanilla bean. So we each ordered a waffle cone with vanilla bean. "How many scoops do you want?" he asked, almost deadpan. "I don't know...two? Three?" Karen said, perplexed. "How much is three scoops?" "It doesn't matter," the kid said, sounding almost forlorn. "It's all the same price." I thought, heck, I might as well order sixty scoops and see what he says. But we each got three. As he was getting my cone, another worker entered and said to him flatly, "You're supposed to wear gloves." The kid slowly put my cone down on the counter, put on two plastic gloves and then resumed making my treat. Karen and I sat on benches in front of the miniature General Store. The ice cream was good, just like what we could buy a lot cheaper in the grocery store. Then we hiked over to Raging River. In a short time, we were floating through one of the most dizzying raft rides I've ever been on, spinning mercilessly throughout. But we hardly got wet at all. When we exited the ride, we were going to head to the Ferris wheel, but it was closed. So we walked around the Fest area. The Alpine Boblsed was running, but we didn't have any interest in riding it. We walked by the giant circus tent. Two employees were standing in front of it, one with a large snake and the other with a cockatoo. At first I thought that was a neat way to get kids to interact with the animals. But then I discovered their real motive: they wanted people to pay a dollar to have their picture taken petting the animal. We passed it by. It was almost three o'clock. The park was scheduled to close in three hours. There really wasn't much else we felt like doing, so we headed back for the exit. As we passed by the Jollytree Theater, an older woman was sitting all by herself in the front row, waiting for Elvis to return. We walked through the exit's large gift shop, hoping to find something memorable to take home. We didn't even see any Comet merchandise. There was, however, a lot of pink T-shirts that had a little stick figure on them, as if drawn by a small child. The stick figure was smiling and carrying what looked like a crude knife. Next to the stick figure was scrawled in a child's handwriting, "The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest with a sharp object." Karen and I looked at it and sadly shook our heads. What a statement for a "family park" to make. As we walked away, I heard some other guests who spotted the shirt laugh and say, "That's really funny!" I guess maybe we're just out-of-touch or getting old or something. Maybe we're just incurably nostalgic. The park's new slogan stated, "Life Should Be Fun." Well, it used to be. We always had a wonderful time at the Great Escape. But gradually over the years, we've left more and more disheartened. We got that strange Six Flags feeling that we get at so many of their parks, an odd feeling of guilt thinking we should be having more fun. On this trip we spent less money there than probably any other park we've ever been to. Were we getting tired of parks? On our recent trips to Knoebel's and Kennywood and even Cedar Point we had a lot of fun and were happy to spend a lot more money -- and we didn't even get into those parks for free! So what did Great Escape do wrong? Maybe nothing. Maybe everything. The park has chosen to move forward and take on a new identity, one of a generic Six Flags property. With another Six Flags property a short distance from our house, why should we bother driving so far to the Great Escape? What brought us back there time and time again has gradually disappeared. The only thing we would go back for (besides the fact that it would be free) would be to see Jungle Land when it re-opened...but I noticed on the park map that it was no longer even listed. Farewell, Storytown. Your time, like Charlie Wood's, has passed. ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Jul 02 13:22:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23493 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:22:56 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1c7.2ba4bbca (17377) for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c7.2ba4bbca.2ff8519b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:22:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=hqp7sMQXvlizJVF2Tjx1aSxkYe63f4SZrHi44mT24Oj3_XJBOFoS X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thisw makes me very sad to think about Storytown being taken over by Six Flags inc. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 02 13:48:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83784 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:48:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8AC9A72 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:48:20 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21AA19DC-A21E-44C3-A52F-9EF6395DAB8C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:48:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Nasu Highland Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=11G0qTrROekhxIULgTVHxUrpq80-syaKwyakSoRi1Vfj_aLW X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, Thanks for this report, it was a great read! Personally I really enjoy reading about parks that I'll never visit .. especially some place like Japan, which is just so different to the US. I can't wait to see the pictures. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 02 14:57:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51744 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:57:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507021305.AA967246154@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=haNBEgepQPgWRE6RH4noYE7md0WXmhBkvXRxSwwr3eXcU1LOPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Farewell, Storytown. Your time, like Charlie Wood's, has passed. Jay, I think I've read two or three of your TR's for the Great Escape. I'm really upset at myself for not having included this park in a previous trip somehow. If I ever do get the opportunity to go, I know how much I'll be missing. Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jul 02 18:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41591 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:08:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200507021808.AA1315504266@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Great Escape pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=qLFqCx0bSqujoxvC1xBXfjEUKCe27sA1YkC4dSZl1jL1Ok8_7eAI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Howdy. My GE trip report with pics is posted at > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/ge705/ge705.html < Enjoy! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 03 09:35:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76966 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:35:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200507030935.AA1092550946@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=dRiEz_8OD6DMMmd5veY4EIamvnknygQzCGbczcD3mqx2dyEyKcLB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think I've read two or three of your TR's for the Great Escape. >I'm really upset at myself for not having included this park in a >previous trip somehow. If I ever do get the opportunity to go, I know how much I'll be missing. < Thanks, Chris. I just hope more people make a point of visiting smaller out-of-the-way parks while they're still around, places like Conneaut and Bushkill and Lakeside. Those are almost always the stops that prove the most memorable. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Jul 04 16:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82681 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:28:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.103.190 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Once Upon a Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=qxdXWjwwNc3QUyeeAIrbk8z0c3GgxOWPqznSscH-ASK1LgTHWpMB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi Folks. I tried posting this as a file on RCT, but I keep getting errors. So I stuck it on my own site: > http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/out_coney.doc < It a wonderful article in this month's issue of a children's magazine called Cricket. The article is entitled Once Upon a Time at Coney Island and features some terrific photos. Jay From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Mon Jul 04 21:49:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56719 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 04:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 04:49:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:48:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=OW1m-zS3OvuW39P45M9Tym-oF6jJiYPTQVfBwMwXEncW_TWiNQkk X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain Our family lives in SW Ohio les than an hour from Kings Island. Despite this, we go to to Cedar Point every chance we get. My twins sons, (48.5" tall) age 6, "came of age" in June, and took their first ride(s) on the Millenium Force. The older kids had already ridden and loved the ride. Before that day, the little ones had only been on kiddie rides like Woodstock Express or Junior Gemini, etc., but of course MF is a horse of a different color. They rode Gemini first, and loved it. But then it was time. One cried a little as we took the fast accent up the hill for the first time. It was harder to enjoy the ride as usual due to my concern for him, but by the time we finished that first plunge, he was having the time of his life. I'm posting some of the pics in the photos section for your enjoyment. The other shot is one I took of 'em on the Wild Cat. We also rode the Blue Streak, Mean Streak, Magnum, Disaster Transport, but they couldn't get on the Mantis or Top Thrill. Now I pose a quetion to the group for your feedback. My wife and I have created a coaster-riding, thrill seeking group of Frankensteins. Is there a better park for coasters than CP? I can't imagine a better park, but I'd love to hear from anyone who hs been around and could advise. Thanks for your all posts/ stories! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 04 23:41:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72889 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Once Upon a Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RM5PzaQAnn7x6eisOtwYa4y02VRtUO5SNw6kubhTJQ306g5I7w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > Hi Folks. I tried posting this as a file on RCT, but I keep getting errors. So I stuck it on my > own site: > http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/out_coney.doc < > > It a wonderful article in this month's issue of a children's magazine called Cricket. The article > is entitled Once Upon a Time at Coney Island and features some terrific photos. > > Jay That's a nice little story. It whets the appettite for all the histories out there on Coney. I hadn't heard the bit about 'Hot Dogs' before. Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 05 18:09:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22676 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:07:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=uYDQJ68Y3ibNmb64bRg2tIFo31o43AmkDCBJqK1NQEiJh7FvAzxa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Is there a better park for coasters than CP? I can't imagine a better park, but I'd love to hear from anyone who hs been around and could advise. < Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. King's Island is beautiful and huge, but again doesn't do a lot for me in the coaster department. You might try Geauga Lake, which has quite a variety of coasters. If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. It would be just about as far as CP, but it's a completely different experience. Your kids will be able to ride just about everything there. It's a much more relaxed pace. And Waldameer has two terrific old fun houses as well. Our kids really liked Waldameer because it was much more intimate, not as "industrial." They felt much more at home there. You've also got lots of great parks to your southeast, including the incredible Kennywood, Idlewild and Conneaut Lake. Good luck! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 05 18:14:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13852 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5D59A69 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> References: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:13:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=R1RETrehwfqwi_2wUGRP7-bK4v_rpKepZfupSe6hoTN9iq-M X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of schlep, it's highly recommended. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 05 19:40:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62023 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.d4.2b5c876d (15875) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0342cb44a1228; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:40:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:40:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42CB448B.1040202@aol.com> References: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=DyeG3ZfGkQRqeddElsvml0m0COkwDf8fiOGqW9Bcz1l6DaONFg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/5/2005, 9:13 PM: > > Hi, > > > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. > > Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > > > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. > > I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of > schlep, it's highly recommended. In terms of numbers, you really can't beat Cedar Point, but them having the best coasters is debatable (and, for that matter, always being debated). As long as you have a great time, what difference does it really make? I, too, would highly recomend Indiana Beach, one of my favorite parks, and I don't think it will be too far from you being in SW Ohio. Also, I would recomend Holiday World. Both parks have great wooden coasters, and experiences you won't find at Cedar Point. When the kids are ready for a longer road trip, come on out to Pennsylvania and check out some of our great parks. I think they will love Kennywood, Hersheypark, and of course, Knoebels Groves. :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From coastermoosh@yahoo.com Tue Jul 05 21:50:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermoosh@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89860 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:50:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.119.105 From: "coastermoosh" Subject: Silverwood event - only chance in 2005 for 2 hrs ERT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141858659; y=-rtoCKjDuyquvTHjImglm_I9mWLW-CjZb-45q3FgnLYAWYooJOi7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermoosh After a 1 year absense Coaster Alley Convergence has returned. Registration includes: *Park Admission *Dinner *All-you-can-Drink Pepsi Wristband *Group Photo *2 Hrs Evening ERT on Tremors and Timber Terror. Discounts available for those with annual passes, seniors, and children. WHEN? Saturday, September 24th For complete event details or to register online see www.chaindogmedia.com From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Tue Jul 05 22:17:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43705 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 05:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 05:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 05:17:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 05:17:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 05:17:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:17:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42CB448B.1040202@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=WACisVWCs58m7Ruz9biDMM1tCGG1fUoJ1fpjQInMgCQV6LS20OiN X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain Thanks so much for all who have taken the time to respond. We will try to check out all the great parks you've mentioned. I should add that my wife is a wooden coaster fanatic, while I prefer the incredible Intamin steel rides. She loves the Beast and the Mean Sreak, and the kids are still formulating thier opinions. We are serious about this as a real family fun pursuit, and have even traveled to Disneyland to pursue our hobby. Calfornia Screamin was the ride that got me hooked, although when she dragged me onto the front car of The Beast at night in a light rain, I had an inkling of what was to come. Keep riding, and keep posting. This a great group! David and Alexa Knoll Thanks again, and keep posting your stories. We really enjoy reading them. I > > Hi, > > > > > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > > > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > > > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > > > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. > > > > Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > > > > > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > > > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. > > > > I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of > > schlep, it's highly recommended. > > In terms of numbers, you really can't beat Cedar Point, but them having > the best coasters is debatable (and, for that matter, always being > debated). As long as you have a great time, what difference does it > really make? > > I, too, would highly recomend Indiana Beach, one of my favorite parks, > and I don't think it will be too far from you being in SW Ohio. Also, I > would recomend Holiday World. Both parks have great wooden coasters, > and experiences you won't find at Cedar Point. > > When the kids are ready for a longer road trip, come on out to > Pennsylvania and check out some of our great parks. I think they will > love Kennywood, Hersheypark, and of course, Knoebels Groves. :-) > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoaster.com > Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 05 22:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41024 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1b8.16857037 (3842) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=qty36i686pY6Xs_tgZLojnlI7FreTK-JOQtAfKbo8LQ-B6JIfiwb X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Were are the photos you said you put up? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 06 04:04:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54097 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.154.5449d1c8 (15874) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242cbbab73d4; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:04:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:04:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <42CBBAA0.7020102@aol.com> References: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=uZhkvP0JNpN0mhyorTFsw4hxkosa5taHO_k9bhFrnJlYW1hvXg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo CoasterDainan@aol.com wrote on 7/6/2005, 1:27 AM: > Were are the photos you said you put up? > > -Dainan from North East Coasters In the photos section of the group's site: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/lst -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 06:45:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54350 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:45:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=8HdX2fmLu-x_aFDIeuwnwVjk-ZsEWtqXlk0lSZeo0LyrHA6IrFZF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that were moved from PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been modified to prevent snapping or if they are just as good as ever. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun Spot last weekend) From lau228@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 08:05:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6669 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53911.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 98865 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2005 15:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:04:40 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=nSchFSgprsohxTvIprX3sf7krL-vspgg4mBtgNidKv9l X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 From what I've heard, you may snap them. --- Brian Farral wrote: > Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that > were moved from > PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been > modified to > prevent snapping or if they are just as good as > ever. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun > Spot last weekend) > > > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 06 08:38:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65707 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1120753rne for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.65.7 with SMTP id n7mr5105324rna; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507060838379dce12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:38:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Silverwood event - only chance in 2005 for 2 hrs ERT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=-XM5sSag5_xzdUC3_nrdhFwvgxBVj7IJ2UqdyLym2AnhoWTp X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Thanks again for putting this together, Moosh (and Dave)... I'll see you there! :) -Beth On 7/6/05, coastermoosh wrote: > After a 1 year absense Coaster Alley Convergence has returned. > Registration includes: >=20 > *Park Admission > *Dinner > *All-you-can-Drink Pepsi Wristband > *Group Photo > *2 Hrs Evening ERT on Tremors and Timber Terror. >=20 > Discounts available for those with annual passes, seniors, and > children. >=20 > WHEN? Saturday, September 24th >=20 > For complete event details or to register online see > www.chaindogmedia.com From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Wed Jul 06 09:35:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5007 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:35:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:35:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=d-XhQVkems_wSC7tKd1o4GpBckkSXIjHj09nS9OhvbDetxyZpXpj X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > Were are the photos you said you put up? > in the knollsonmain album... From coreyml03@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 09:46:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69275 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.28.128.203 From: "corey" Subject: IAAPA Atlanta 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=q4_VDfCAcpIdm5qx0zv-Wzv0LNRJ_Q55QYqOtw2A6fvwgwB7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 in order to get into the event, do i have to have anything special or can i just pay at the door and enjoy the festivities? From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 11:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89607 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 18:54:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:54:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=jCO0Y26hnCbll_GCcxd7Rn9W4hpOurNGFsSCKy8y6nUF721V X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Thanks! ~Kristy~ From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 11:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96689 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:54:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=Fde7tV4DIJzOblLXMkPlHgq1C0h2nnycjhV0NeHsuvaOxfLN X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Thanks! ~Kristy~ From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 12:09:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41392 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=qSD5kAw9yDDgbvJIHQreDAOTQwIcsMaW8e3_fIt0Mj5cR1NM8B90 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Check out www.rcdb.com. That'll get you everything with at least one roller coaster. Adam From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 06 12:18:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51446 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.2.) id r.1c0.2bfb93f6 (15886) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (24.115.39.186.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net [24.115.39.186]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42cc2e48bc; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:17:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:17:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42CC2E32.5050608@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 24.115.39.186 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=P2JXeezw6EODH3zoNmp8R0kdWIuWuQHnL6xGBszB5eWgIOTGpg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Kristy Milo wrote on 7/6/2005, 2:54 PM: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ That would be a really big list. Are you looking for parks in a certain part of the states, like Eastern PA or the Jersey Shore? Are you looking for larger parks only, or everything, including kiddie parks? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 13:20:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28804 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 20:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 20:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 20:20:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 20:20:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:20:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=xEHqy-vRFBnhfrO7iWSjPkBrVPL2ZqpI3__b9ughegHXkBvWk6qp X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani While I love living in Southern California for many reasons, and we certainly have our fair share of good theme parks, for amusement parks, and especially for wooden roller coasters, I envy those of you who live in that swath of the country from Ohio to New Jersey or thereabouts. It seems like practically every small town in Pennsylvania has a traditional amusement park with a classic woodie or two. Yes, we have some great parks with some great rides, but they're all pretty much tied up in a handful of parks. Out there it seems like one could travel in any direction and really explore the region by going from park to park. Outside of the big corporate parks here pickings are slim. So, not a major complaint, but if I were end up living out there, I could go to a different park every weekend all summer and not repeat myself. Maybe I'm just saying I crave novelty, having lived here my whole life... I'd probably be begging to come back home a few weeks into winter. :-) Adam From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 06 15:05:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78121 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:02:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200507061502.AA1557922104@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TECH: Physics of Waterslides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=lcnJ4yyZBXHjROWu11n_hUbZYxf8y6dXaElA1c1vQkMMTfzNXKMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Physics of . . . Waterslides Hurtling Toward Chaos When waterslides reach a certain speed, no scientist can predict their beha= vior By Elizabeth Svoboda DISCOVER Vol. 26 No. 07 | July 2005 | Astronomy & Physics Standing 76 feet above Orlando, Florida, staring down the throat of the Blue Niagara slide at the Wet=92nWild water park, some riders have been known to have second thoughts. Powerful pumps churn the cascading water at the top of the slide into a furious froth, muffling the sound of parkgoers seven stories below. =93Just go for it!=94 the ride operator urges, and another human torpedo surrenders to the froth, accelerating to a velocity of about 40 feet per second while careering through the slide=92s 300 feet of looping tubes. =93Yup, that=92s a crazy one,=94 engineer Marvin Hlynka says, chuckling. Hl= ynka works for WhiteWater West Industries, a firm in Richmond, British Columbia, that designed the Blue Niagara and other extreme waterslides. It=92s his job to use science to find new ways to scare riders out of their minds, but there=92s a limit to how much his equations and computer program= s can help him. In the alternate universe of waterslide design, Newtonian models don=92t always work, and chaos lurks in every hairpin turn. =93In te= rms of actually predicting where a particular drop of water or a particular body is going to be in the slide at any given time, you can=92t do it,=94 Hlynka says. =93It=92s just not possible.=94 The path that water takes through a channel is primarily a function of its volume and the channel=92s shape, slope, and the roughness of its surface. As the water picks up speed, however, it starts to develop eddies=97zigzagging, swirling currents=97that make the flow less predictabl= e. The velocity at which a smoothly flowing stream produces eddies depends on the water=92s viscosity, the diameter of the channel, and other factors, bu= t no one fully understands what triggers all the turbulence. As the physicist Werner Heisenberg put it, =93When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first.=94 Turbulent water, like thunderstorms and other chaotic systems, is extremely sensitive to minor disturbances. The tiniest contaminant=97a spec= k of dust, a blade of grass=97can disrupt a waterslide=92s flow, touching off larger irregularities that in turn create swirling eddies, and so on. Newtonian principles predict that minute initial variations in a system lead to similarly minute final ones. Not so in chaotic systems. =93There ar= e tiny perturbations to start out with, and they get bigger and bigger in unpredictable ways,=94 says Parviz Moin, director of the Center for Turbulence Research at Stanford University. =93You=92ve heard how a butterf= ly flapping its wings in China can change the weather in California. In a sense, that kind of thing is what=92s happening inside a waterslide.=94 Because no equation can predict these changes in a straightforward way, waterslide designers can=92t know for certain how the frothy water will behave when they switch on the jets. Yet they rely on water flow and gravity to safely convey riders to the splash pool. =93If you=92re building= a roller coaster or a similar =91hard=92 amusement-type ride, you strap the riders in so they can=92t move,=94 Hlynka says. =93With a waterslide, there= =92s none of that control.=94 Other variables further complicate the equation. Different bathing suits, for instance, generate differing amounts of friction as they rub against a slide, and that affects the character of the turbulence as well as the speed of the rider. Go down the Blue Niagara in a pair of cotton shorts and you might find the ride ho hum. Go down it in a pair of Spandex minitrunks and you might need some time to recuperate=97especially if you happen to wear a bikini top, which fast slides have been known to tear off. Hlynka=92s only safeguard against such uncertainty is real-world testing. H= e creates detailed designs based on past experience, then uses an army of eager volunteers to act as guinea pigs to verify the slides=92 safety. =93Experience helps,=94 Hlynka adds. =93After 20-odd years, you know that i= f a typical person with a typical bathing suit rides a fiberglass slide at a 9 to 10 percent slope, there aren=92t going to be any problems.=94 Just to be sure, Hlynka and his team tend to overengineer the safety features on their slides. Their nonenclosed flumes have inward-curving sides that are anywhere from 2 1/2 to 5 feet high. These ensure that even riders who encounter powerful turbulence won=92t be catapulted off the slide. Since 1995, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, eight people in the United States have died on waterslides=97half as many a= s have died on roller coasters over the same period. Slide designers also have a few predictable physical principles in their favor. In WhiteWater West=92s new High Speed 32 slide, for instance, riders veer through a succession of gentle curves at more than 30 feet per second. Each body=92s speed and subtle rotation creates a force of about 3 g=92s that pins the riders against the fiberglass chute as they slide. =93T= he faster you go, the more the g-force holds you against the wall and locks you in position,=94 Hlynka says. =93It=92s almost like a restraint.=94 Still, even the best-laid slide can sometimes throw a wrench in engineers= =92 plans. A few years ago, a WhiteWater slide in Minneapolis was such a hit that the park=92s owners wanted one just like it at another location, this one in Ohio. The new slide was an exact copy of the original, its measurements identical within a quarter of an inch. Hlynka and his fellow engineers figured the design would be a no-brainer. They were wrong. =93We had it all set up, and we saw water pouring out of one particular place. We said, =91What the heck is that?=92 =94 Hlynka remembers. =93The water we= nt down a completely different path than it had in the Minneapolis slide=97it zigge= d where it should have zagged.=94 In the end, the team had to design a new se= t of plastic splash guards to take care of the unexpected spillovers. Hlynka still isn=92t sure what chaotic inconsistencies were at fault. =93It could = be something as prosaic as one city being dustier than another,=94 he says. New computer models may help minimize such mishaps. Parviz Moin and his Stanford team are tackling turbulence by breaking it down into manageable chunks, using a computer program to determine a fluid=92s velocity and pressure at closely spaced points. This approximates the overall flow, much as a pixelated image approximates an actual scene. Yet each =93flow event=94 depends on the one before it, so simulating the entire sequence in detail might take even the speediest supercomputer hundreds of years. In the meantime, Hlynka will continue to revel in the inexactitude of his science. =93I like to think of waterslide designers as similar to cathedral builders,=94 he says. =93In the Middle Ages, they created these beautiful buildings basically because they knew how. They couldn=92t express their designs in calculations or formulas, but they got it right anyway. They were guided by visual proportion and a sense of the way the materials behaved.=94 It takes more than a slide rule, you might say, to build a waterslide. --------------- The tallest, fastest waterslide in America is the Summit Plummet at Walt Disney World=92s Blizzard Beach in Orlando. It stands 120 feet high and features a 60-mile-an-hour free fall. To give riders a soft landing, a hidden channel pipes compressed air bubbles into the splash pool, decreasing the water=92s density. ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 16:20:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26136 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Boomers (Dania Beach), Waterville USA, Cliff's, 6/26 - 7/1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=L6WdjiROjjLmaMzq6YJfdlNM5wUffeUCqdrt1HqzhyXLwAVfLlzm X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I got back Sunday from a long and complex vacation that involved spending a week in Puerto Rico for a friend's wedding, flying to Fort Lauderdale, then solo roadtripping up to New Orleans, where I helped my sister and her husband load up a moving van, and then caravanning with that back out to Long Beach, California. Amusement parks were not the primary focus of this trip, but I did manage to visit three small parks along the way. If you'd like to read more about the trip in general, I'm going to do a writeup on the "roadgeek" yahoogroup sometime in the near future. Also note that I'm not a real veteran coaster geek; previously I'd only hit things on the west coast, and before this my total coaster tally was only about 46, including 6 woodies. First, I should note that I did check the rcdb to see if there were any coasters in Puerto Rico, but all there were were some kiddie coasters, so I skipped those in favor of other things on the island--- beaches, restaurants, the rain forest, some amazing caves, and the Arecibo radio observatory. Sunday, June 26: The Boomers in Dania Beach, FL, just south of the FLL airport, is a lot bigger than any of the other Boomers I've seen. Not only does it have a full-sized wooden coaster, but the arcade is huge, and they have a wide but standard assortment of other things to do there. I'd be interested in seeing what the circumstances were surrounding its construction, to see why it's the only Boomers with a real roller coaster. I didn't look around the rest of the facility a whole bunch, but it seemed to be kept up pretty well. It opened at 10:00 AM, but I came by at 10:30 and they were still checking the Dania Beach Hurricane before opening it, so I went and did a load of laundry before coming back around noon. It seems the coaster operated technically as a separate business, and the price per ride was something that came out to $6.25 with tax. A wristband for unlimited coaster rides was $10.00 plus tax, though, so I went with that option and rode it three times, middle, back, and front. I liked this coaster a lot. It was a good length (the rcdb reports the length of the coaster as being 3000+ feet), a double out-and-back, and this thing provided for a LOT of airtime. In that sense, and I hope this isn't coaster sacrilege, but it reminded me a lot of the Coaster at Playland in Vancouver. In the ticket booth for the Hurricane, they carried a placard saying that the Guinness World Record for the oldest average age for the riders on a roller coaster was set there. Later the next day I was traveling along the Panhandle of Florida on US-98 and came across Panama City Beach, which turned out to be a big beach resort area. Lots of high-rise hotels, bars, giant souvenir shops (usually featuring a giant shark on the exterior), and more minigolf parks that you could shake a stick at. While the concentration of this sort of development was highest in PCB, this sort of resort development continued to a lesser extent all the way to Alabama, and even a little bit along the coast in Mississippi. Of course, the beaches themselves were still spectacular. None of these mini amusement parks was very large, though; instead of having go-karts, minigolf, an arcade, and a few other things all on one parcel, there'd usually only be one or two attractions on a lot, often right across the street from each other. I know I saw at least a dozen of these things, probably more. A good number of them were quite attractive, at least from the road, with elaborate themes like sea creatures, pirate ships, etc. being common. I also passed a few such places that were closed down, including, of course, Miracle Strip Amusement Park. With the Starliner having been relocated to Cypress Gardens, it was a little hard to tell for sure which place had been MSAP, but I think the place where it had been was one where I could see the remains of a bunch of flat rides, many of them with big themed decorations including a big devil head, and carrying a developer's construction sign indicating that the land was to become hi-rise condos called The Miracles, I think. That's to be lamented, but it's good that the wooden coaster there got relocated, and it's hard for me to imagine that one of the many small amusement parks along that stretch won't build some kind of a roller coaster within the next few years to get a leg up on its competition. Tuesday, June 28: Let's hope that if they do build a coaster in Panama City Beach, that it's better than the Cannonball Run at Waterville USA in Gulf Shores, AL. This park seemed considerably less together than the Boomers in Dania Beach, though maybe they just put more of an emphasis on their water park. Their coaster, the Cannonball Run, is a single out-and-back, and seemed rather short. I also didn't get much airtime, either. This was my first single out-and-back coaster, and I guess it just didn't seem like a big enough ride to really develop. It started, went through a couple of dips, turned around, had a couple of bunny hills, and that was it. It provided amusement, but not exactly thrills. The price from Monday thru Thursday was $3.00 a ride, (it was $5.00 on the weekend) so I went twice. So, I expected that to be the last of my coaster-riding for the trip, as I didn't have enough time to stop by Six Flags New Orleans and use my pass there, and since things would be a real hassle with the moving van plus the more delicate objects being transported in the car, I didn't expect to see anything after New Orleans besides what I could see out the windshield. As it turns out, though, we stopped for the night on July 1 in Moriarty, NM, about 35 miles east of Albuquerque, about dinnertime, and Cliff's didn't close until 10:00! So my brother-in-law Lance and I headed out in the car to Cliff's, which seemed like a really nice small traditional amusement park. Gate admission was $2.50, and then ride tickets (1-3 tickets per ride) were $2.00 each. We got to the park a little after 9:00, and just bought enough tickets for one ride each on the Galaxi (1 ticket) and the New Mexico Rattler (3 tickets). That was $10.50 + tax each, so if we'd really have much more time at all we would have gotten wristbands for less than $20.00. That seemed to be what most of the patrons were doing, and it wasn't even always clear from the outside of the rides exactly how many tickets they'd be. But I liked the atmosphere in the park. Lots of teenagers, some families, a few folks closer to my age (I'm 31). No offense, but it was nice to be out of the South and back in the West, too. When heading cross-country, Albuquerque always seems like the point where I'm back within shouting distance of home again, even though there's another 800 miles to go. It's like how the welcome signs when entering Mississippi say, "It's like coming home again." My thoughts were, "Well, I suppose it is if you're from Mississippi." Anyway, there's very little in the way of theming at the park; things are mostly pretty straightforward. There is a small train that runs around the park and they do a nice thing wrapping the log flume around a little circular island containing the Yo-Yo. There is enough signage around the park and the staff I dealt with were helpful and cheery. The restroom was nothing to write home about, and we didn't see much in the way of souvenirs. We weren't there for very long, though, so we may have just missed them. I had never actually been on a Galaxi before, and I felt that would be a good appetizer before hitting the NM Rattler. It was fun, but for a similar sort of ride I think I like Windstorms/Hurricanes better, with more emphasis on diving than on the helixes. They were running two trains of two cars each, each car holding 4 people. They have separate entrances on the NM Rattler for the front car, rear car, and the other cars in the middle. They only have one train, but their operations were running well so turnaround time was pretty quick. We took the front, and man, was that a great ride! It reminded me of a somewhat smaller Ghost Rider, since the emphasis was less on the up-and-down and more on that "out of control" feeling and changes in direction. Adding to the experience was the fact that since it was nighttime, I hadn't gotten a look at the layout before riding it, so everything was a surprise. Riding the New Mexico Rattler was a great thrill that put a big smile on my face. So there you go, I got to add 3 wooden coasters and one off-the-shelf steel coaster to my tally for the trip. The NM Rattler was excellent, the Dania Beach Hurricane was very good, and the Cannonball Run was merely fair. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 22:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8116 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:46:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:46:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:46:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=7XrOG65AfPnJ6ZyXvaIcQaYTTzJQt7yI99WrgaYrVFdfvpJmVg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "knollsonmain" wrote: > I should add that my wife is a wooden coaster fanatic, while I prefer > the incredible Intamin steel rides. She loves the Beast and the Mean > Sreak, and the kids are still formulating thier opinions. > > David and Alexa Knoll Wow, she LIKES Mean Streak? Now there's a dissenting opinion! I don't think that it is terrible myself, but it isn't near the top of my list, and most folks seem to dislike it with varying degrees of intensity. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 22:55:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13305 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:55:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:55:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:55:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tbplD0_ADbdwBd4AQxa-nLjKDkPmPGWfWc8V09sMPYbQr3uVHw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ When planning coaster trips (in the US), I find that RCDB.com and a road atlas are an unbeatable combination. (Use the tree view, it will help you select all the parks in a single state at a time.) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 23:00:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75384 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:59:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:59:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 789 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aw9-ZdhYLvperLxw--T6PrH__NeraXeSQ9JM0YqiWERN1Efi_w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 wrote: > While I love living in Southern California for many reasons, and we > certainly have our fair share of good theme parks, for amusement > parks, and especially for wooden roller coasters, I envy those of you > who live in that swath of the country from Ohio to New Jersey or > thereabouts. It seems like practically every small town in > Pennsylvania has a traditional amusement park with a classic woodie or > two. > Adam About two years ago I hit 22 parks in 11 days, starting in Maryland, and passing through PA, NY and OH. I didn't hit every park out there, as I was focusing mostly on ACE coaster classics (Leap the Dips was the centerpiece for the trip) but I had a great time. As such I completly agree with your assessment of the region! Chris B From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Thu Jul 07 22:47:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32632 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:46:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:46:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=TK72EjXJUlPchMTM6gl4A8xvv0qLxThbU7GviSfpVW0DJzih6bp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain > > About two years ago I hit 22 parks in 11 days, starting in Maryland, > and passing through PA, NY and OH. I didn't hit every park out there, > as I was focusing mostly on ACE coaster classics (Leap the Dips was the > centerpiece for the trip) but I had a great time. As such I completly > agree with your assessment of the region! > > Chris B WOW! 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with the ACE club. Thanks for your response, Dave n Ali From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Thu Jul 07 22:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32879 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:50:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:50:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=R2hXGF7TVOJ6dQQ21pt1HMvKWRu3EnuDXegDUiHVmmfpZhUBnyKM X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain > > I don't think that it is terrible myself, but it isn't near the top of > my list, and most folks seem to dislike it with varying degrees of > intensity. > > Chris B She has a bit of a mean streak herself :-), but she also likes the Son of Beast, which I compare to being mugged and beaten. Different strokes, right? I do like Mean Streak, cause it's a goog looong ride. David From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 07 23:35:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99970 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 06:35:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 06:32:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:32:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cnl6dvnQ9VcvF8i5SvFPp_YsCABr-6irew4JkUJXxT9Cz4WjKA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with > the ACE club. > > Thanks for your response, > > Dave n Ali I've been a member for two years, but I haven't been to an event yet as I've lived in Bahrain and Japan during that time frame. I think I'll be able to meet up with the ACE/ECC Japan tour this fall. Speaking of which, I've not been contacted lately by the group, did they end up having a drawing? Is anyone coming? I thought I remembered at least Beth mentioning (serious) interest. Chris B From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jul 08 05:58:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46348 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so368792rnf for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.22 with SMTP id p22mr1773193rnb; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507080558722ced93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:58:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=63x8Z7jjBfRduFbMxYJunkorxAgS1z9GLrVC3ibhIS8XwxH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I won't be attending, sorry Chris. The timing on payments up front at the beginning of the year was a little too much too soon. (was hoping to have the better part of the year to save up)... I'll get over there eventually, I'm running out of domestic coasters ;) I have a couple of friends who will be going on the ACE trip, and I think one of the other people on this board will be doing his own Japan trip without ACE though... On 7/8/05, Chris wrote: > > 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with > > the ACE club. > > > > Thanks for your response, > > > > Dave n Ali >=20 > I've been a member for two years, but I haven't been to an event yet as > I've lived in Bahrain and Japan during that time frame. I think I'll be > able to meet up with the ACE/ECC Japan tour this fall. Speaking of > which, I've not been contacted lately by the group, did they end up > having a drawing? Is anyone coming? I thought I remembered at least > Beth mentioning (serious) interest. >=20 > Chris B >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 08 14:50:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40934 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id r.5b.6d2f81a8 (15865) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942cef4cfa8; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:48:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42CEF4B7.5040208@aol.com> References: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ZGf_u7WYyuLc68D6G6n35-pcJ0BNw9XLCOjC6Ls1kRzwPhkTog X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lori Uhing wrote on 7/6/2005, 11:04 AM: > >From what I've heard, you may snap them. > > --- Brian Farral wrote: > > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that > > were moved from > > PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been > > modified to > > prevent snapping or if they are just as good as > > ever. > > > > AFLAC!!! > > > > -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun > > Spot last weekend) I have heard the same from several folks. BTW, I managed to get PKD's flyers to snap last week, early and aften too :) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Jul 10 20:15:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97680 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 10273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=oXe0gbFzAACBGds7Izgvzj0HgRDurmIM68gmKQGcugJxLe8iKg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo July 9-10, 2005 Well, it has been a while since I have writen a report, and I really need to catch up, and I have a new keyboard that doesn't have sticky keys, so now I have no excuse. Besides, I have yet to write a report on Knoebels yet this year, so here goes. I would first like to say that, yes, I am ever so slightly insane. I was out late on Friday night, 'till just after midnight, and then I had to be up at 4:30 the next morning to work for a few hours, and then drive the three hours to the park, and have fun in the park all day. I managed ;-) I got to the park at noon and pulled into the campground. All I needed was a tent site, which was all they had left, and they all pretty much sucked. I got stuck with one right next to the bathroom. Oh well, next time when tit is that busy I will head over to Lake Glory or Mossy Point. I only need a night, so it would do. I headed into the park. Most folks would go right for the Phoenix, but me, nope, I head for the Flyers. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855427-M.jpg I don't know why, but I have just been having more fun on that ride then any other lately. Maybe it is a combination of having a skill at riding it (I managed to snap the Flying Eagles at PKD two weeks ago, and managed to do it alot) and the shear terror I get from the snapping. Today would not be a good day, however, because a Flyer Nazi was running the ride, "No snap for YOU!". It did not take me long to get the snapping going, and immediately it solicited a response from the operator, who stood up and starting pointing and yelling. Then he did the stupid thing and cut the engine while I was at the top of the stroke, I came crashing down on the hardest, loudest snap yet. I could feel the daggers shooting from his eyes as I left the ride. I slowly wandered the park, making my way over to the Skooters, picking up some parogis along the way. I got a solid ride, as usual, much crashing and cheers of delight was to be had, but the real joyful ride would come later that night. I basically spent some time photographing the park and wondering, wasting time until my friend Danielle (http://www.bennignus.com/) was to meet up with me by the Flyers. I headed back over there, a little early, getting another ride, this time being told as I got on that I was not to "whip the cables." I did, a little of course, it is almost impossible not to (I've seen empty cars snap before), but he seemed to calm down a little this time. I found Danielle in line for the Flyers when I got off, so I headed back in line. I warned her, much to her dismay, about this ride op, and we ended up riding together. After the ride I meet her husband, George, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855471-M.jpg and friends, John and Debbie. They had all been stuck for hours on I-80 in a construction zone, and were hungry, so we headed over to the International Food Court for some eats. I went Italian, having some penne pasta afrado. It was very good, the alfrado was nice and think, and not bland, close to perfect. Turns out, Danielle is the only one of the bunch that actually really enjoys rides, so she and I did most of the riding, but everyone else enjoyed the park as well. George, John and Debbie headed into the Mining Museum, while Danielle and I headed over to the Pheonix. It was running excellent today, loads of airtime everywhere, and just plain fun. Afterwards, we hit Fandango. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/22987955-M.jpg Personally, I think this is one of the better pendulium rides out there. It is fast and powerful, getting up to full swing quickly. Also the rotating motion is at just the right speed so that every seat gets to experiance to full range of sensations and G forces. Finally, it is as much a spectator sport as a ride. The ride swings right over the queue, and I don't mean just close with some space, I mean you look down and see the folks in line looking right back up at you. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/22987949-M.jpg This was a great choice for Knoebels, which was evidenced by the long line and loads of spectators standing around it. We headed back over to the museum and gathered everyone up. At this point it was starting to look a little cloudy, thick dark clouds were rolling in. We made our way to the Skooters, which everyone would ride, and made it in line just as the heavens opened up. After a few cycles we got on and had a great time. George T-boned me real good at one point. Still raining when we got off, we dash across to the Roaring Creek Saloon to spend some quarters on Skeeball, and then across to Playland to do the same. The rain still had not let up, so it was off to Facination for us. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855354-M.jpg I sat this one out, Knoebel's Facination parlor is a little too rich for me (50 cents a game), and the odds are about as good as Keno (in other words, they suck), so as soon as the rain let up, whihc it nearly was when we got there, Danielle and I hopped over to get some Twister time in. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855357-M.jpg This season the Twister has really been running well. This day was no exception. The heavy rain certainly helped maters, I think anyway, and boy was this coaster flying. Laterals, airtime, more laterals, airtime with hard laterals (gotta love that turn into the helix), it was just fantastic, it took my breath away. Headeding back to Facination to collect everyone, we found they were gone. A quick call revealed they had gone out to the main midway to ride the Giant Wheel, so in that direction we went. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855360-M.jpg With the exception of George, we all enjoyed a ride on the Skyride, up and then back down the mountain. Everyone was sorta hungry by this point, but not quite there yet. Danielle and Debbie wanted to check out the Carousel Museum, so we figured we would do that and then eat. Finally, after fiddling around with my camera, I have finally gotten the colors ajusted to really show off the figures in this museum, so I am: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855373-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855369-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855381-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855387-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855396-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855406-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855414-M.jpg Now we were hungry, so we went to the Alamo for dinner. I'd never eaten in the Alamo, and I've got to say, it was pretty good. The service was good, and the prices reasonable. We all had the famous chicken and waffles. Seperately, I liked them all, but once the gravy soaked into the waffles, I'd didn't really like that. The fries I had with it were fresh cut and good, and the baked beans were OK, tasty, but I've had much better. It was dusk when we came out, so we wondered across the way and got aboard the Pioneer Train. They were running three trains, so the wait was very short, as soon as one left, the next was pulling up. We saw no wildlife, but enjoyed the ride through the cool woods none the less. When we exited it was time for Debbie and John to take off. It was getting dark, and they had a long drive ahead of them back to Jersey City. They left and we made our way back towards the Skooters. It was getting dark now, and the lights were coming on. The park looks fantastic at night, as any park should. It becomes a whole different world. Let's take a look at that some: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855434-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855447-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855451-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855460-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855455-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/24652536-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/24652537-M.jpg Danielle and George took a spin on the High Speed Thrill Coaster, and then we all got in line for the Skooters. This was one of the best Skooter rides I had ever taken. There was a huge group ahead of us, we got the last three cars. The group were a bunch of roudy bikers, and they were having a blast. It was as if they were out for blood, there was lots of hard hitting, cheers and screams of joy. It was now getting pretty late, and we figured we would try to get one good flight on the Flyers. We went over, and there was the same ride op running the ride. We got on none the less, and snapped away. I guess he had just given up, or was ready to go home, as he just sat there. So, we rode again. We took it easy the first time, but really let loose the second go around, and had a great time, finally. We decided to retire to the campground for the night. I helped them set up their tent, we tried to make a fire that just would not stay lit, and then just hit the sack. The next morning I was awoken by the masses of campers headed to the showers right next to my site. I packed up and then headed over for some breakfast. George and Danielle met me over there, we ate, and then said our goodbyes. I was not going to stay around too much later then opening, planning to get a ride or two in and then take off. They headed off to Sunday services. I hung out until the park opened, and rode the Skooters, Grand Carousel, and Flyers again. The Flyers had a different ride op, who was worse then the one the day before, and kept slowing the ride down, and even stopping the ride. I tried to take it easy, but it does not take much to get a snap once the ride gets going. Oh well, I got off and hit the road. It was nice to finally meet Danielle, she is a sweetheart. George it quiet, but very friendly, and really opened up as the day went on. We all had a great time, not hard to do really. BTW, did I mention the park was very busy, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855350-M.jpg but lines were not bad at all. The full Photo gallery can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/650115 An intigrated photos report can be found here: http://www.themeparkcritic.com/Forums/ViewTopic.asp?TopicID=129289&ForumKey=9&PageID=1 Thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jul 10 21:00:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26829 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.20d.49a2a47 (18555) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20d.49a2a47.300348cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:00:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=uFe5R54jmBwv6iIJJ5n2wLud0pQoC7kg30FRS-1g9p8KxuXOA91D X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds great. Knoebels is my favorite park. I'm a little awed by the fact that you werent alowed to snap. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Jul 11 09:35:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38049 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 16:35:42 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <3B7STDZZ>; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: "'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:43:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=7QDCCw9krSwz5MOSWg0HqB80P2qxQ5tMulijHV1ZDRrA1mXxNg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 11 09:38:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82471 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1d4.3fb541a3 (3310) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d4.3fb541a3.3003fa5e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:37:50 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=XR6kywqAexrqlgoGVafyyf9Lfaw_YdmZbnbvyXO-BWf83DXYmcQq X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DAMN! I have Sony. ohj well, my SFNE season pass works just as well. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jul 11 14:15:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13691 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so999718wri for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr2376538wrb; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.79.19 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Ryan Snooks Reply-To: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=DLJThpkeZ7ExdPeyNXsBylipUxuOyU3hND7T0kujHsoKqoEsOQOPpOo X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Darn, I have an old Pentax camera, but we're going to SFMM tomorrow rather than Thursday. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com www.freewebs.com/xcoaster On 7/11/05, Jon Zucker wrote: > Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF > park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at > http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags >=20 > Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 17:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90429 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:09:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30507080558722ced93@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=OXLummKvyhDNZhJ8QjMY6t0B_ITwM4ic-8X8uPUNViC6KxMYmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: I'll get over there > eventually, I'm running out of domestic coasters ;) That's funny, because I'm starting to run out of Japanese coasters, and all these cool new rides are springing up at all the parks I've already been to back in the states! :) Chris B It's a good time to be a Coasterphile! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jul 11 19:06:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29231 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id r.12c.61968f77 (15863) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742d3259139a; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:06:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Message-ID: <42D32579.1040305@aol.com> References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=YA3ZzJt5x2153YDzzyoqAO_cKZUPXw3jYbryc28WMTJWeXhVDw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jon Zucker wrote on 7/11/2005, 12:43 PM: > Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF > park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at > http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags > > Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First Yeah, I saw that last time I was in the park. nice promotion, but I like my Nikon better too :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From mosspier@insightbb.com Tue Jul 12 10:56:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mosspier@insightbb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87418 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 17:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.222.150.87 From: "hoosierlandpark" Subject: Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146065720; y=NTFvDFeLjUJnNB_3mBAoTtD7LQ0rTbJc1R8yiivhbpvgfRqf0fUMSG3I X-Yahoo-Profile: hoosierlandpark Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should see more of these. From MrStratosphere@aol.com Tue Jul 12 11:30:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75146 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 18:30:43 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1d4.3fc9e0fd (57317) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d4.3fc9e0fd.3005640a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:58 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=vUyqxXLRtU07E4qxnyRJ4vj3_muZKgYGnhVhIeQOeHPzKZnQRq-_ X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/2005 10:57:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, mosspier@insightbb.com writes: Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should see more of these. Look at the Adventuredome here in Las Vegas, Instead of 115 + degrees its always 75 degrees in there. I think it is a great idea. Just needs to be bigger John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 12 11:31:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88473 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) (64.102.122.148) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2005 11:31:47 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,283,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="1483683:sNHT19563484" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6CIViVu011103 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C8768C1-D371-43D1-9BA9-3E0BB93A3784@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:31:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 18:31:44.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[F471E010:01C5870F] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=HmiE2zd74P14EwyMgZ710y0Om-HmEapBRgvmEqoRv93x5TG3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nathan, That was a great report, thanks so much. I'd love to make it out to Knoebels this summer, but unfortunately I just don't see it happening. Next year is a different story, though! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Avalanches above, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** business continues below. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From garg@ghost.de Tue Jul 12 12:35:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: garg@ghost.de X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19814 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 19:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 19:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.171) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 19:35:13 -0000 Received: from p5496AE2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.150.174.45] (helo=catalyst) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1DsQXA2oKK-0007Jh; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: <013d01c58718$a828faf0$13b2a8c0@catalyst> To: References: <3C8768C1-D371-43D1-9BA9-3E0BB93A3784@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:34:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3fbd3539ecb6db74510b710451bacbc0 X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Max A. Kern" Subject: Teen hospitalized after riding Tower of Terror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216627; y=g7DtxuHhdkZLF_AabgUoCzAYs6hbTaHgtTnP0MB9_6fWFw X-Yahoo-Profile: gargmuc A British teen, 16, is at Celebration Hospital in Kissimmee after falling ill at the Tower of Terror ride at Disney-MGM Studios, said Orange County Sheriff's office spokesman Jim Solomons. The teen, whose identity has yet to be released, was exiting the ride with her mother at 9:50 a.m. today when she complained she was feeling unwell. Disney employees approached the girl and called paramedics because she needed medical attention, Solomons said. Paramedics arrived at 9:57 a.m. to transport her to the hospital. The teen lost consciousness and heart function, but medical personnel revived her, Solomons said. She is being evaluated for a prior medical condition, and the ride is being tested for malfunctions. The incident comes less than a month after a 4-year-old boy from Pennsylvania collasped on Epcot's Mission: Space ride and later died. The boy, Daudi Bamuwamye, was visiting the park on June 13, and authorities are awaiting results of an autopsy before saying what caused his death. (c) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/orl-bk-tower071205,0,6479007.story?coll=orl-home-headlines From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 13:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2810 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 20:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 20:41:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:41:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: MISC: I'm baaaack! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mrFyLby95wggDgdnINOpjjdwugMkZKD5qENAWvEY2fD3sSc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, It feels like forever (and with all of the posts, it's going to take me forever), even thought I've been gone for only 3 weeks. I was in Northern California. I have a huge TR to put together. SO, I better get cracken (Marine World, Santa Cruz Boardwalk, Bonfante Gardens, and PGA. Plus, my usual touring stuff). I hope to have pics available soon. -Alan From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 12 14:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20060 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.214.48ff2be (15877) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542d434193d8; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D43400.5080400@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: I'm baaaack! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=vVSryWr9LwN0knqFVo8mSZBjfiuB0VwLWrwPzyCQtmasXR1qTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo aelk2004 wrote on 7/12/2005, 4:41 PM: > Well, > It feels like forever (and with all of the posts, it's going to take me > forever), even thought I've been gone for only 3 weeks. > > I was in Northern California. I have a huge TR to put together. SO, I > better get cracken (Marine World, Santa Cruz Boardwalk, Bonfante > Gardens, and PGA. Plus, my usual touring stuff). I hope to have pics > available soon. > > -Alan OH NO!! Run, hide the children, Alan is back! Seriously, good to have you back, looking forward to the TR's, expecially Bonfante Gardens. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 12 18:03:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91909 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 01:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 01:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 01:03:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:05:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200507121805.AA2383610016@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Along for the ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=VUUS8U0fDts_kjgFC5FETVh8QOG61XpJAQVEe9Wq3CmhUDnyiuzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's a good article about an ACE event in the Wisconsin Dells: > http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/people/jul05/338823.asp < Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 12 18:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70953 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:08:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200507121808.AA2103050542@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Canobie Lake, 7-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=O0rlZGE-XmzWVjrkXYzmkAmoCp_5I-hhN7xL8n8gahdKPPJSPoap X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme As usual, the full trip report and photos can be found at > http://www.karenandjay.com < I used a different camera and I wasn't too happy with the results. But you'll get the idea... Jay ===== On a beautiful 90+ degree day, Karen and I made our annual pilgrimage to Canobie Lake Park in Salem, New Hampshire. We had gotten two one-day passes at a discount through Costco. The park in past visits had always been a delight. In fact, it was where I took Karen on our first date ten years ago. I didn't know if much had changed for this season, and I was pleasantly surprised by what I found. The park's entrance, located on North Policy Road in a residential area, always seemed so understated. The colorful letters above the entrance led to a non-descript parking area, much as it had since the 1930s. Happily, Canobie still offered free parking. The dogleg of the Yankee Cannonball greeted us there. It appeared to have a lot of new trackwork. The turnaround seemed to have been altered slightly, with a noticeable dip in its middle. It was almost like a half-hearted Bill Cobb hoop-de-doo. We arrived at about 11 a.m., and there were already quite a few cars in the parking lot. That was encouraging for a Monday, which traditionally is a slow day for amusement parks. Although the gates technically opened at 11, very few rides operated until noon. As we approached the gates, we could hear the carousel's band organ playing nearby. I really liked hearing it, instead of the canned music that's at so many other parks. Immediately inside the entrance was the big swimming pool. Once popular at so many parks across the nation, Canobie has been one of the few to keep theirs in good shape through the years. It still attracted a lot of swimmers too. Karen and I could hear the familiar splash to our left. We headed toward the Policy Pond Sawmill. Set into the ground in a meticulously landscaped area, this flume ride has always been one of my favorites. It was more like a Lazy River ride than a flume, casually gliding along its gently curving course. A nice touch was the giant teepee, which was shared with the Kiddie Canoe ride. Kids might think they'd pop out on the other side of the teepee and drift away down the flume's trough. After that refreshing splash, we walked next door to the Mine of the Lost Souls. I never knew what to expect from that dark ride. It had so many high-tech effects, that something almost always wasn't working. This time through, the raging water at the end was the only malfunction. The eerie headless man was back. He had disappeared last season, possibly for repair. Even the disturbing crypt scene worked flawlessly. I had thought the dead person who spoke there was an animatronic. But it always seemed too freakishly real. I think it was actually done with a video projection of an actor. Either way, it was very effective. We walked through the wonderfully themed Old Canobie section. The renovation of the Pirate Ship had been completed, and it looked great. There was even a comical pirate clinging to the bow. We turned left after the ship, and came face to face with the park's new addition, Castaway Island. It was a jaw-dropper, as if we had suddenly stepped onto a Tahitian island complete with palm trees and beach sand. The only clue we were still at Canobie came from the Corkscrew coaster to our right. The area wasn't massive, but it was certainly packed with plenty to do. There was the requisite water play area with the giant tipping bucket (which emptied much more frequently than others I've seen). There was a humorous refreshment bar inside the mouth of a giant comical shark. The entrance to Castaway Island was through a hole in the side of a volcano. But most impressive of all was the attention to detail in the theming. Bamboo was everywhere. There were appropriately themed benches, grass huts. There was even a themed photo booth! The theming seemed to have crept a bit down the midway as well. Next door, the "Alpine Swings" had been given some bamboo, making them appear a far cry from Switzerland. But the Jungle Bounce fit right in. Even one of the oldest buildings in the park, the old roller rink, was spruced up. Two huge rolling doors were partly opened, and we even got a rare peek inside. The building still appeared to be used mainly for storage, but it appeared to be in good shape. By that point it was getting near noon and we were hungry, so we headed over to Portofino's, the park's indoor eatery. All the food in the park is concessioned out to the giant food service company Sodhexo, which does a really good job. We passed by the Dancehall Theater, which was featuring The King Lives!, yet another Elvis tribute. We saw that one a few years ago, and it was very well done. The performer did an excellent job recreating Elvis' Vegas years, unlike the lame imitation at The Great Escape. But we didn't need to see it again. Besides, we were inundated with Elvis everywhere in the park. There was Elvis merchandise in all the gift shops and even a prominent Elvis pinball machine in the arcade. Just past the theater was another nice Canobie touch, a stone fountain near Da Vinci's Dream. The park was brimming with beautiful plantings and displays. When we arrived at Portofino's it hadn't opened, so we took a trip on the always peaceful Sky Ride, over the top of the stone fountain (the oldest structure in the park) and the rare classic Caterpillar ride, still in perfect condition. In fact, all the rides were in great shape. Karen commented that everything looked freshly painted. Portofino's opened up, and we each ordered some tasty pizza. I looked out at the lake, but didn't see the Canobie Queen, the park's double-deck paddlewheeler. Last year it sat at the dock, stripped down to its skeleton. This year it was nowhere to be seen. But there was a small metal flat-bottomed boat with a canvas top sitting there. The sign at the dock still said Canobie Queen but the map listed it as the Blue Heron. We passed by the lakeside train stop, which had yellow caution tape stretched all around it and a sign that read, "This attraction temporarily closed." But within a couple of minutes, the train came rolling on by and stopped there. We waited on the dock for the boat and got a seat right in the front. We actually liked this ride more than the old Canobie Queen. The Blue Heron moved faster through the water, but it was smoother (even with choppy waves) and gave a longer ride at a faster speed, covering more of the lake. We were treated to views of the many expensive homes situated along the shoreline populated by people who complain about Canobie's noise level. (Since the park's been there well over a hundred years, the residents should have been well aware of the situation before buying a house there!) What amazed me about the panoramic view we got, was how unobtrusive the park was. It was pretty much hidden away by trees and nearly silent. All that could be seen were parts of the Corkscrew and the Boston Tea Party, plus a couple of buildings on the shore and the beautiful Da Vinci's Dream ride. After that restful and breezy twenty minute trip, we strolled into the Lake Arcade and played a Simpson's pinball machine. Then we walked over to the gift shop next to The Wharf restaurant. I was amused at the theming of the Fascination arcade next to it, with its flashing "Jackpot" sign, glitzy glitter backdrop and jazzy soundtrack of Sinatra and Tony Bennett. The gift shop had a few new items that we noted, to purchase before we left. They also still had a few of the Seabreeze hats that were sent to them by mistake last year. We then passed by the old rocket ship ride, which was now a giant decoration on the midway. I was amused to find that they had placed Kozmo next to it. Kozmo used to be the "mascot" at the old Klaus Satellite Jet ride, which was replaced a few seasons ago by the Starblaster Double Shot tower. I really appreciated how the owners of Canobie treasure its history. I think that has helped the park remain unique in our otherwise mass-produced world. The Antique Car ride had a really long line, so we passed on that. The ride would have been pleasant, but very short. I wish they would extend its track so that it ran alongside the dogleg of the Yankee Cannonball. They could even weave the ride in and out of the Cannonball's structure, like Knoebel's did with their car ride. We stopped into the big arcade. A man named Dave Cook used to keep all of Canobie's antique arcade machines in top shape. But he left several years ago, and many of the old machines weren't working on our visit. In fact, many of the new machines weren't working either. We played the Elvis machine (which was quite fun). I got one of Canobie's typically delicious fresh-squeezed lemonades. Then we walked over to the stretch of games near the Yankee Cannonball. One caught Karen's eye. It was a fairly standard ball-rolling game, where various small themed objects (like horses or cars) advance horizontally along tracks, as if they're racing. This one was themed to the Yankee Cannonball and called Coaster Chase. So we sat down with several other people to play. I didn't think I was having too much luck. My ball keep drifting around and rolling into the "Low" hole with every other throw. The bell went off, and it turned out I won! I chose a Marge Simpson doll for Karen (she likes Marge's hair). We needed some cooling off after that, so we headed for The Boston Tea Party, possible the greatest Shoot the Chute ride ever built. I was still astounded by the gargantuan splash this tiny ride made, drenching much of the surrounding midway. That whole area displayed the park's meticulous attention to detail, from the cobblestone walkways to the giant fish (cod?) hanging from the Fried Clam shack. We queued up for the ride and in a few cycles were seated in the front of one of the big boats. The lift was swift, that strange plexiglass cage around the drop still seemed weird, but our splashdown was spectacular, completely drenching everyone. We then crossed the midway to the Yankee Whaler ice cream shop. I got a dish of coffee ice cream and it was the best I'd ever had, rich and flavorful. We stopped into the gift shop across the way. They had one of those brown "Images of America" historical picture books that so many cities, towns and amusement parks have. This one featured Canobie Lake, so I had to get a copy. Then we decided it was time to hop a ride on the Yankee Cannonball. I've mentioned in the past how much I've enjoyed this coaster, and also how unfortunate it was that the park can't allow patrons to line up for whatever seat they want. The station's curving design, with the transfer track opposite the loading area, simply couldn't accomodate it. So Karen and I got in line and crossed our fingers. While we were in line, a father was attempting to get his son to go on the coaster. The son was resisting quite strongly. The father finally wrestled him into the line against his will, until the boy's mother came and rescued him. While we were waiting in line, a new show began on the Kiddieland Stage where Bozo usually performed. It was a Britney Spears tribute and it really didn't seem to fit in with the park's wholesome family atmosphere at all, especially in that location. Luckily, the queue moved quickly and soon Karen and I were third in line. Then there was a pause, and the attendants helped on a handicapped family who filled the back car. We were let in, and the three people in front of us grabbed the front car. So Karen and I sat in the front seat of the middle car. The only real problem with that was that the tall headrests on the seats in front of us obstructed our views. The ride operator, who sounded as if he was from Scotland, dispatched us promptly. The trip was swift and smooth, and even in the middle was filled with airtime. The new turnaround felt a little bumpy. In about 50 seconds the ride was over. We walked back toward the entrance, and I had to do a double take where the old Crystal Maze was. It was now called the Tikimaze and was lined with bamboo. It had been given a fresh paint job, making it delighfully tough to navigate through. One kid in front of me was hurrying along, saying to his sister, "Just follow me! I know how to get through this no problem!" And then he ran headlong into a glass wall. I collided with one as well. It was the best time I had in a mirror maze in many years. Behind the Tikimaze was the new Chance Wipeout ride, with a surfer theme. Again the detailing was terrific, with a 3-D surfer riding a wave over the entrance and a giant starfish on top of the ride. Next to it was another nicely themed shop called Surf's Up. The giant fake palm trees surrounding it looked convincingly real. There was even nice detailing behind the shop, with fake herons lounging on the beach. As we passed the Skeeball arcade and the Bebop Diner, I felt strangely disoriented. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I knew something wasn't quite right. The old Rowdy Rooster skooter ride was there, as was the Tilt-a-Whirl. And then it suddenly hit me: the Galaxi coaster was gone. It had dominated that section of the midway for as long as I could remember. And in its place was...nothing. There was a vast expanse of red concrete where the coaster's structure had been. There were a few small portable concession stands placed around the perimeter, and only a couple of them were open. But then I noticed at the far end of the concrete, where the loading station for the Galaxi used to be, was a new ride placed cross-wise. It was a standard Vekoma Skater, basically a large variant of their popular Rockin' Tug ride. I stared at it for a while. It seemed fairly popular. There was a long line in the makeshift queue. But it looked out-of-place. Everything else in the park had been so well-themed. The Skater didn't fit the area very well (both physically and thematically) and looked like it was somehow a mistake. In fact, it wasn't even listed on the park map. (There was just a blank grassy area.) Everything looked so incomplete, I wondered if Canobie had other plans for that area and if this was just temporary. Karen and I walked around to the back of the Canobie 500 car ride to get another look at the Skater. The long platform spun rocked back and forth on the banana-shaped track. Some people standing nearby were watching it in awe, saying, "That's wicked! You're not getting me on that!" Although it was impressive to watch, I was disappointed with how poorly it fit into the rest of the park. The Corkscrew felt that way, too. With everything else so heavily themed (and in that area, almost exclusively with bamboo), why couldn't they have gotten a ride that matched the theme? Why a skateboard? Why not a surfboard? Canobie had set the bar pretty high for themselves. With so much spectacular theming in the park, anything less stuck out like a sore thumb. I hoped that this was temporary. It was one of the few times I'd seen a park remove a coaster to put in a flat ride. Perhaps eventually a Vekoma coaster was destined for that area. We queued up for the Giant Sky Wheel, which was loading very slowly. But in a few minutes were were taking a pleasant long ride high above the park, admiring the view. When we first rode this together a decade ago, "I love Jay" was inexplicably written on our cab's post. Though the cabs have all been replaced in the intervening years, we still remember that coincidence fondly. We strolled along the midway once more, not wanting to leave. On the Kiddieland Stage was a frequent performer, one of the park's two peacocks. During our many visits over the years, a peacock somehow always seemed to get up onto that stage during the day and stand there as if it was in a fashion show. We noticed that the Round Up, painted a bright yellow, wasn't running. The Dodgem building next to it appeared to have been repainted to blend in better with the Tiki theme across the midway. The old Matterhorn seemed to disappear behind the trees. No loud music announced its location as at so many other parks. There was only the ever-present sound of the nearby carousel's band organ (which happened to be playing the theme from the Muppet Show). We headed back home at about 5 p.m., quite satisfied with our day. Even with its few minor flaws, Canobie Lake must rank as the most beautiful recreation area in the northeast. The management has continually shown an attention to detail and a commitment to a quality guest experience. We loved the food. We loved the shade. The workers were unfailingly polite and friendly. And the cost to get in was very reasonable (even if we didn't have the discount from Costco). By the size of the crowd there, it looked like a lot of people felt that way as well. May Canobie have another 100 successful years! ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 19:17:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66563 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:17:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Wx5chxLeui0zbn8rE6AE6AzXXxKK9c1j3jaTc9HX39qUtX6NPw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "hoosierlandpark" wrote: > Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas > where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? > > Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should > see more of these. Later today I'll be posting a TR for Aqua Stadium in Tokyo, an indoor Mini-sized Aquarium / Amusement park. Also, see my TR for Lotte World, a full sized indoor park in Seoul last year. Chris B Who's trip to Nagashima Spa Land is delayed. :( From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 19:29:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63645 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:29:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507121808.AA2103050542@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Canobie Lake, 7-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GWXOmAGOos3-tSNxvm3c8jZpFmIGDkdlax0N6ArpTZB0yL0YQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: Even with its few minor flaws, Canobie Lake must rank as the most beautiful recreation area in the northeast. The management has continually shown an attention to detail and a commitment to a quality guest experience. We loved the food. We loved the shade. The workers were unfailingly polite and friendly. And the cost to get in was very reasonable (even if we didn't have the discount from Costco). By the size of the crowd there, it looked like a lot of people felt that way as well. May Canobie have another 100 successful years! Um, wow. I grew up with Canobie as my home park, (my parents still live 30 minutes away.) and it seems that it has really been improved lately. I can't wait to check it out again. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 23:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85837 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Mini TR: Aqua Stadium / Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=UaKOEeI-iPgekKczelPIBLf2151_5MUzPi8O9ZVGTNAKQtTmqw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 In a personal record, this is submitted less than 24 hours after the park visit! 12 July 2005 Weather: N/A (Indoor park) Total cost: 1240 yen for transportation, 2000 yen for two rides on GE9 and 957 yen for a cell phone dangle and a postcard. (about $40 total) This mini park at the Shinagawa Prince Hotel is entirely indoors on the 2nd and 3rd floors of the new executive tower at the hotel. The upper floor is a small aquarium with a dolphin show and a sea lion show. The lower floor has a movie theatre, a motion simulator with six - ten person vehicles sharing one large screen, a very well themed swinging ship, a gorgeous carousel with marine animals, and my reason for coming: Galaxy Express 999. The entry gate is very tall, and there is quite a bit of theming to this coaster. The anime series Captain Harlock and Galaxy Express 999 movies are used throughout the entrance, a very cheesy animatronic display (about 2 minutes), and a short animated movie (another 4 minutes) setting you up for the coaster to come. (It's an interstellar space train that you are about to ride to the andromeda galaxy.) The two dark maroon Intamin trains are 30 passenger trains and are articulated between each row of two green seats. The restraints consist of the same seat belt / lap bar combination found on Intamin hypers before the ejection at SFNE. This coaster is listed on RCDB as an accelerator model with hydraulic launch, which is the same system indicated for Top Thrill Dragster, etc. but this coaster launched feels different IMO. You begin by rolling quickly out of the station by tires under the train (at least there's one in front of the lead car before you leave the station) , and negotiate a banked, hairpin right turn before being boosted at 55 km/h (34.2 mph) through a single vertical loop. Many websites have touted Kanonen as being the first Intamin launched coaster with a vertical loop, but this coaster opened a full 15 days earlier, albeit to a whole lot less fanfare. After the loop, the coaster makes a large counter-clockwise circle, a hairpin right turn through the eye of the loop, and a large clockwise circle before stopping shortly before the station, and then proceeding slowly into it. The whole ride is over in about 50 seconds or so, and the ride has several star light effects and one projection screen, although I can't remember what was on it. (Less than 3 hours after riding, no less.) This reminded me of Space Mountain, but these stars were nicer than those, including a very colorful galaxy spiraling as you hurtle past it is also darker than SM for most of the ride. One cool thing to note: As a space saving measure, the two large circles that the track makes actually are circling the dolphin show tank, although I could only tell by comparing the maps of the two floors! Although nothing to be particularly excited about in this day of 100+ mph and 400 foot tall monsters, and there are coasters with more feeling and more inversions, but hey! This well themed, compact coaster is inside a downtown hotel's back tower! I wish I knew enough Japanese to get the whole of the story before the ride, and thus really get the full experience. This makes two launched Intamins without a tophat. Chris B From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 12 23:51:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29084 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.7f.61f4631e (3858) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7f.61f4631e.300613f7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:51:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Aqua Stadium / Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=QXpTQZI5YQc8BhCkVomQhX14MQHVZNc57fFFnmkUih95e07olw0C X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds....interesting. You are right, if you knew more Japanese It probably would have been better. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 09:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45814 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=COkH1mHDKs-kOE87oXqZHLHbmuMR8ZioWjf5-6im2mpG2QxY1UAV X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Did you see this? http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the people. Looks Incredible. We'll have to see if it can unseat my #1 wood Raven and #2 wood Hades. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. Maybe taking advantage of the free pentax offer at SFFT tomorrow. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 09:59:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53961 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 16:59:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:53:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:53:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:53:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1PKtvZNW6OHRxWwHdjXx1GzSBh2KA-lOqSdmXIQ1jvEWITc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mike, Good "TR (sort of)". I have very similar comments to make about SF Marine World. Hopefully I'll have that up soon. -Alan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jul 13 10:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3108 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.216.4aa1f74 (3858) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:42:26 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=gbbUmLXibJoRhG4SeWqbt4HIJbS4TD-E3yOS3JGxySP3JjyAV43x X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! This ride looks insane! -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:58:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31132 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 17:58:42 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so267425rnf for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.9 with SMTP id h9mr1026835rng; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071310585254fde5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:58:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=UejFR0rAxKqlm2KRf8c6ttB_VgFxXUbOvKTjaepCaAci-nRH X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's definitely something to look forward to. Didn't know how they would top themselves and they managed to pull this one out of the bag. Looks like Timbers and Tremors had a little fling ;) Can't wait! From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 13 11:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85756 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2005 11:38:57 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6DIcsvO014741 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:38:55 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:38:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:38:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 18:38:54.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F65E940:01C587DA] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JsCqZQSWOcn5r6EiT6RtYc4mgpVQoqy6FEY8V42_gtaniFEZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Woah .. OBSCENE! I don't suppose GCI is building it?! Cameron. On Jul 13, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Brian Farral wrote: > Did you see this? > > http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html > > I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster > anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the > people. > > Looks Incredible. We'll have to see if it can unseat my #1 wood Raven > and #2 wood Hades. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > Maybe taking advantage of the free pentax offer at SFFT tomorrow. > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 13 12:01:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73777 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2005 12:01:43 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,287,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="648364858:sNHT27518400" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6DJ1Xop025140 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:34 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <72F0A759-4FBC-447F-AAA7-5E8630EE8ACD@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:00:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 19:00:34.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[25C1FEC0:01C587DD] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Costco vs Walmart... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=MTCtyIFvhR_OtUh_iGRe8FM1Y2bzUlES2XA_ExQPNDFIvoc_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, This isn't as off topic as you'd think. This great article explains how Costco is doing so well pushing the "pay people better and they'll work harder and do a better job" philosophy. Many (myself included) believe that the big corporate parks need to adapt a similar practice. Plus I simply loath Walmart, so I enjoyed the article on that grounds too :-) http://www.laborresearch.org/print.php?id=391 Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:46:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32714 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.197) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so319742rne for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.208.40 with SMTP id f40mr142395rng; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071315461ab76f6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:46:41 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=99itAKalL7foaC2qVdzLxIwKwVOLNFhak3qws4NmrjJ5mXaw X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Gravity Group, Cam.=20 On 7/13/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Woah .. OBSCENE! >=20 > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! >=20 > Cameron. > From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Jul 13 15:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9883 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:48:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.18]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-742d59a3938c; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:48:25 -0500 Received: from [172.150.115.181] (AC9673B5.ipt.aol.com [172.150.115.181]) by smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DMmHZ3030081 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:48:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:51:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.18 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=L1xa2sVQ3hZH_8kZ8n7863Q0oPUAka67rAHd9C6weCVu4_ecU_37 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Woah .. OBSCENE! > > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! I'd bet on the Gravity Group... not sure if thats what you meant. I wonder how it will hold up after a couple years, or if they are using composite track like Intamin did... some pretty huge drops, and lots of speed. Looks like a good ride... but its strange, with this layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder why they didn't just build a steel coaster. I mean, I know they seem to like wood coasters and everything, but to me this ride looks like it would be better as a steel coaster.... it would be a lot easier to maintain in the long run, and give a smoother ride after a couple of years, unless they really go crazy maintaining it. Mike From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Jul 13 15:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49772 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.84]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN8-942d59c4d1d2; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:57:17 -0500 Received: from [172.150.115.181] (AC9673B5.ipt.aol.com [172.150.115.181]) by smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DMvC9q007979 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:57:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57B94C06-6AA1-4ADA-84BC-0EC639044B2D@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.84 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=cTZoaR-n_eN6Ndu8E-J8lBAdYgRBwoKF1k0IghxO9eY9o_-xnpsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Mike, > Good "TR (sort of)". > I have very similar comments to make about SF Marine World. > Hopefully I'll have that up soon. > -Alan Look forward to reading it... hopefully SFGAd isn't the only SF park trying to make improvements. Great Escape seems in between after reading Jay's TR. Mike From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 13 16:56:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63599 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:50 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.c.48cf882e (15865) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942d5aa271ae; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:56:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:55:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42D5AA0F.4000900@aol.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gUWTFOHAA9nTxoI8GAQEpF1a4WmSnjfusa4JY98MWD6M_SrndQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/13/2005, 2:38 PM: > Woah .. OBSCENE! > > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! > > Cameron. That is about the best single word to describe it. My money is on Gravity Group building this one. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41992 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:56:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305071310585254fde5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fJINLRMRqnp_s_CsEQWFWJcNwKdPXq1hzSihdvkPp5qYm-btoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: > It's definitely something to look forward to. Didn't know how they > would top themselves and they managed to pull this one out of the bag. > Looks like Timbers and Tremors had a little fling ;) Can't wait! I was more thinking Beast / Hades. This thing looks like it is going to stretch out into the next county! Now I have ANOTHER reason to get to Santa Claus, IN! Chris B From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 13 17:10:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92069 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.66.5af0bd60 (15875) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0342d5ad621e6; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:10:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:09:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=Ylokbs4MJwTFb7ZlaLLLglFi1uXyxdYpEB7BAmZIvg6Q8VLIEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mike Filippone wrote on 7/13/2005, 6:51 PM: > I'd bet on the Gravity Group... not sure if thats what you meant. I > wonder how it will hold up after a couple years, or if they are using > composite track like Intamin did... some pretty huge drops, and lots > of speed. Looks like a good ride... but its strange, with this > layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder > why they didn't just build a steel coaster. I mean, I know they seem > to like wood coasters and everything, but to me this ride looks like > it would be better as a steel coaster.... it would be a lot easier to > maintain in the long run, and give a smoother ride after a couple of > years, unless they really go crazy maintaining it. > > Mike Judging from the way they maintain their other two wooden coasters, they will keep it running very well. I think the reason why word over steel is simple, economics. It is much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster then a large steel coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty darn expensive. Plus, given the park's experience running and maintaining wooden coasters, they have the know how to keep this monster running well. Looks like next year is going to be a stellar year for wood coaster fans. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jul 13 17:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59147 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 00:59:36 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.15b.54c6f252 (4418) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15b.54c6f252.300712f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:59:33 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gravity Group is a great coaster company, and Jeff Hamersley of Holiday World is about the best there is when it comes to maintaining wood coasters! He has done a tremendous job over the last few years with Legand and Raven. He knows how to make them run properly and to their full maximum. I have no doubt, he will keep this one in the same shape and keep it running to full max in years to come! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 18:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56977 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DssoE-0001BQ-Df for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <42D5C3FF.7020304@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:46:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d97e726e8d416ef21ccdbfb3fd1566b82350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FtYUP9KT_rmpoGgBwro499-ijeeg1GdY_uHNLqkOvanfNL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brian Farral wrote: > Did you see this? > > http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html Just got in from work. All I can say so far is, "Wow!" Looks incredible. > > I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster > anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the > people. Yeah, but as much growth as they've had over the last few years, it was time to add some major improvements to the regular park, not just the water park. Looks like a great move overall. Just curious, did anyone else watch the videos, in particular of the news conference? The coaster looks fantastic, with a great mix of out and back and some twisting around in the wood. Hugely long, lots of air- looks like something for everyone. And was it just me, or did the people screaming at the news conference get annoying to anyone else? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jul 13 22:00:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3740 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 05:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 05:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 05:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28055 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 04:59:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714045927.28054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 13 Jul 2005 23:59:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=dhpw-QJwMD8UljqSrZ9ciUhA4GtCAM8dP5o2ZJ-3pIGgKU2e X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Kristy and the group, The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a significant problem with its information. Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their coasters. > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ Dave Rounds From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jul 13 23:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78139 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 31917 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 06:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 14 Jul 2005 01:58:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=j4VAaEejJC4iAPJp8XvD6vpLbx2ig0APHpN6GJ-65kgVs_6H X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Just a few quick comments about trip... Rode the three big coasters (Hades, Zeus and Cyclops) and four of the go-cart tracks. Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. The back seat gives a very intense ride, especially in the tunnel. Nick has another winner with this coaster. Was able to get in eight rides on it and it now places in my top 25. The back seat of Cyclops is still just as intense as ever and the coaster is running just as good as ever. I cannot say the same thing for the Zeus coaster. It is still providing a ride with as much air time as ever but is showing its age in an unfortunate way--it is getting quite rough, possibly to the point that it is in need of retracking. It is so rough that if I were rating it today, the roughness would out-weigh the airtime and feeling of speed that made it so good in the past seasons. I still enjoy the go-cart tracks much the way I did many years ago. (Yes I did ride go-carts at Big Chief, when all his tracks were at the former location just off the strip on Highway A.) My only comment about the go-carts is the remark I received from a teenager (and his dad) following our ride on one of the tracks (don't remember the track name). The track was one with the left-hand and right-hand spirals. When we were exiting the track, the kid was mad at me because he thought that I had cut him off twice going into the turns. The interesting fact was that his dad then told me that he saw one of the two "incidents" and that he saw nothing wrong with my racing style. The three of us then discussed the events and boy then realized why he ended up getting passed by several other carts. Dave Rounds p.s., Rode Avalanche (at Timber Falls) and found that it also is running much better than just after it opened last summer. From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jul 14 00:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3228 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 07:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32756 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 07:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714070207.32755.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 14 Jul 2005 02:02:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=jKSoZzTMVULXPje0seeqgJ6jW0b44Nv52hsRoC3CY3BFVny5 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Just a few quick comments about trip... Rode the three big coasters (Hades, Zeus and Cyclops) and four of the go-cart tracks. Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. The back seat gives a very intense ride, especially in the tunnel. Nick has another winner with this coaster. Was able to get in eight rides on it and it now places in my top 25. The back seat of Cyclops is still just as intense as ever and the coaster is running just as good as ever. I cannot say the same thing for the Zeus coaster. It is still providing a ride with as much air time as ever but is showing its age in an unfortunate way--it is getting quite rough, possibly to the point that it is in need of retracking. It is so rough that if I were rating it today, the roughness would out-weigh the airtime and feeling of speed that made it so good in the past seasons. I still enjoy the go-cart tracks much the way I did many years ago. (Yes I did ride go-carts at Big Chief, when all his tracks were at the former location just off the strip on Highway A.) My only comment about the go-carts is the remark I received from a teenager (and his dad) following our ride on one of the tracks (don't remember the track name). The track was one with the left-hand and right-hand spirals. When we were exiting the track, the kid was mad at me because he thought that I had cut him off twice going into the turns. The interesting fact was that his dad then told me that he saw one of the two "incidents" and that he saw nothing wrong with my racing style. The three of us then discussed the events and boy then realized why he ended up getting passed by several other carts. Dave Rounds p.s., Rode Avalanche (at Timber Falls) and found that it also is running much better than just after it opened last summer. From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 05:41:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86242 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:39:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050714045927.28054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=KEtSbJatYJ5qON1VGHd_Gq8b5Bdgm75oiUB5C0sM4Nyohb6f X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and within reasonable driving distance. We'd like to take some short mini-vacations 3-4 days and check out some of the parks. A couple years ago we drove out to Cedar Point and stopped at a few on the way and back. We're considering Cedar Point again. Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds" wrote: > Kristy and the group, > The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) > according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). > Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its > accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a > significant problem with its information. > Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many > different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their > coasters. > > > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > > > Thanks! > > ~Kristy~ > Dave Rounds From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 14 08:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94441 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 11:06:25 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="62318736:sNHT25346820" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EF6OVu016454 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:06:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 15:06:24.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[99D86210:01C58885] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KMXs4vcwq-Ih7Wq4ljK35fhiNw0IrwShV_iPMjeRX5ocog4F X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. Great news! When I was there in May I thought Hades should have been giving much better rides than it was .. I knew it would pick up as it broke in, nice to see that's occurring. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jakersw22@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 08:33:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28667 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14443 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714153258.14441.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.208.73.57] by web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:32:58 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=NgfdLMy-N4L3O4YIvuhoxENpjDLKDTIOkJLhwp__gseZuoX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I really suggest Bucsh Gardens in Willamsburg Va. Kristy Milo wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and within reasonable driving distance. We'd like to take some short mini-vacations 3-4 days and check out some of the parks. A couple years ago we drove out to Cedar Point and stopped at a few on the way and back. We're considering Cedar Point again. Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds" wrote: > Kristy and the group, > The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) > according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). > Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its > accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a > significant problem with its information. > Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many > different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their > coasters. > > > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > > > Thanks! > > ~Kristy~ > Dave Rounds Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 10:38:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92091 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 12:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 12873 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 12:23:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:23:14 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=28mQu1iPAGToRBF6xhZiztH5ni9cx9OEqTN5HtkUABi8kdru X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nathan Brown wrote: > I think the reason why word over steel is simple, > economics. It is > much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster > then a large steel > coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty > darn expensive. > Plus, given the park's experience running and > maintaining wooden > coasters, they have the know how to keep this > monster running well. I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel already, how much more would it have been to have tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? In fact, the *only* reason I could see going with the the wooden track is just to use PTC trains like the other two coasters. Thus reducing the learning curve for the maintainece staff. I dont really see any other reason. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 10:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14474 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dt7fQ-00042I-FL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <42D6A31A.3080405@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:38:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d517ae0cbf8ebccf05bf166859d8885d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1hYL1D64VbQITO52eTIob-_-iRu4A7SvrPWGxKX4vHrMnRw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Kristy Milo wrote: > I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and > within reasonable driving distance. > Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... > So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks > (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play > grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. > would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I > can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. A great resource that I haven't seen yet, but one that is well worth the few dollars you'll spend on it, is The Amusement Park Guide by Tim O'Brien (with some input from our own Adam Sandy) You'll find the majority of existing parks listed in it, along with nice descriptions of what the park is like, costs, location, rides, hours, how long it will take to visit, etc. The book will run you about $15, and should be available at most of the major bookstores (I see it at the local Borders and Barnes and Noble all the time) It's also a great resource that you can take with you on the road- something that a website can't always do well. I've more than received my money's worth out of my copy. And it's a nice addition to the library for casual/ fun reading to. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69413 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 31299 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 18:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714181224.31297.qmail@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.208.73.57] by web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:24 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=PGQnRX7Pai8ZfVPYMXBnx2Ef1ppDLf5jddVryAinv1Qft2pX X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you'ev gotta point, but people want modern.steel. thats the only problem. Jeremy Norris wrote:--- Nathan Brown wrote: > I think the reason why word over steel is simple, > economics. It is > much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster > then a large steel > coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty > darn expensive. > Plus, given the park's experience running and > maintaining wooden > coasters, they have the know how to keep this > monster running well. I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel already, how much more would it have been to have tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? In fact, the *only* reason I could see going with the the wooden track is just to use PTC trains like the other two coasters. Thus reducing the learning curve for the maintainece staff. I dont really see any other reason. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 12:55:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47523 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 19:54:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:54:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=1rbYcJnx8PayT2DZ-ZqgeVcIgjxr8kKTpHveY4QCT9HnzHU1oca__Po X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers there!! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Jul 14 13:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63117 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:08 -0000 Date: 14 Jul 2005 20:18:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1121372286.275.62164.w101@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: With all the excitement of The Voyager going on, what is the best woodie?? o The Beast o Boulder Dash o Shivering Timbers o The Legend o The Phoenix o The Raven o Thunderbolt o Thunderhead o The Texas Cyclone o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1899741 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 14 15:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30756 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:52:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=2nk-T_m7j_HLZnCblmKsTazmIIjfX-YC2D9zDUsnsEoAjpJfp1KF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > with this layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder why they didn't just build a steel coaster. < I thought the same thing. The park doesn't have a steel coaster (unless you count Howler). That could have provided some nice variety. It looks like the video was done with No Limits. It certainly shows an all-wood ride. The least they should do is use steel for the structure. Unless they use composite track though -- and I don't care how well they maintain their two other (much smaller) coasters -- this thing will rip itself apart during its first season. There's no way southern yellow pine will stand up to that beating. I mean, come on -- 173 feet high?! That's lunatic! If it were a straight out-and-back like Shivering Timbers, maybe it might work. But there's a fair amount of twister-like elements in the design. Plus, can you imagine the time it's going to take for the maintenance crew to walk the mile and a half of that coaster track every day, in addition to the two they already have? They should have gotten an Intamin or Morgan hyper and saved themselves a lot of grief. Sure it would have been a bit more expensive in the short term, but I bet it would prove a lot less expensive in the long run. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:30:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95896 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so635536wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.23 with SMTP id 23mr741607wrq; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:30:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=9LZrHNPccRJvEnC4i-19vWTsCmglVDqIay1IwK7lrfL8dmdBXxRWyxM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever > it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a > steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I > mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel > already, how much more would it have been to have > tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? That was my first thought, but it must be incorrect. Apparently The Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 million. Morgan hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In 2000, SFDL's S:ROS cost $12 million. Holiday World got a similarly-sized ride for half the cost (perhaps even less than half given the rise in steel costs). My guess is the solid steel tracks and thick support columns cost far more than simple wooden track and the scaffolding-like steel support structure.=20 Personally, I would have opted to save $6 million too. -Nate From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:36:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73047 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.197) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so637008wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.57 with SMTP id 57mr745216wrs; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:36:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=M7-LxMcgsEoEOqq7flq8fQlGb-YSqmRmnnTBdNNmh91MiUjsBM3TOJI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It looks like > the video was done with No Limits. It certainly shows an all-wood ride.= =20 > The least they should do is use steel for the structure. I'm not sure if you're referring to the video or the actual ride here, but both feature steel supports. -Nate From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9988 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.200) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so637087wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr739621wra; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:37:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=7vQ7G209QtzBzAMQOgA9umhuxoNLVwjoIjShL06pUVzqIMZQ-RZR5-I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Great news! When I was there in May I thought Hades should have been=20=20 > giving much better rides than it was .. I knew it would pick up as it = =20 > broke in, nice to see that's occurring. Cameron, I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the park is now serving Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) -Nate From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 05:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85985 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 64823 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 12:31:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715123157.64821.qmail@web42201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:31:57 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:31:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=rdfTy7xXtoPBKNDjkusrxeERuIUTo_M33KBtUD7QuAtSe34w X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "Nate K." wrote: > That was my first thought, but it must be incorrect. > Apparently The > Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 million. > Morgan > hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In > 2000, SFDL's S:ROS > cost $12 million. > > Holiday World got a similarly-sized ride for half > the cost (perhaps > even less than half given the rise in steel costs). > My guess is the > solid steel tracks and thick support columns cost > far more than simple > wooden track and the scaffolding-like steel support > structure. > Personally, I would have opted to save $6 million > too. I agree with everything you said, but I guess I question why a steel coaster could not have that same scaffold support. Basically, I wonder why they could not have the exact same coaster as they do now just substitute steel rails for the wooden planks. It's just something I wonder i guess. lata, jeremy --fantasy football is just around the corner... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 05:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79569 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 49003 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 12:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715125105.49001.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.98.184.57] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:51:05 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:51:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050715123157.64821.qmail@web42201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=pnPgnU9DtUoBn5-_2iZF_DE4wR3uGKpt5zFWVcMLT4eMmqU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > > That was my first thought, but it must be > incorrect. > > Apparently The > > Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 > million. > > Morgan > > hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In > > 2000, SFDL's S:ROS > > cost $12 million. One thing to note on costs, there are generally three given for coasters (or any ride). Contract cost- The cost the park pays the manufacturer (usually the hardest to find out) Installed cost- The cost of a ride plus any concrete foundations, earth moving, state permits and running electrical lines. Project cost- The two above costs combined with everything else relating to the coaster, such as: queue lines, landscaping, signage, some of the marketing budget, etc. More often than not this is the price you will see quoted on RCDB. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Jul 15 06:19:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54839 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:18:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.93 From: "bastienfred" Subject: RUMOR: New ride to be built at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=M-xDXn0va6YJ-5VrmfBCPpy_5J9u8M_NJ1BVuvuVUELJv3deXck X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Since one week, many people have written in different forums that a lot of markings can be seen in Cedar Point's Frontiertown area. http://www.pointbuzz.com/cpplace.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=16914 http://www.thepointol.com/board/viewtopic.php? t=6143&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=42469 According to these sources, markings are between Cedar Creek Mine Ride and Snake River Falls. We can be confident that a new ride is going to be built, but we do not know which one. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 07:24:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11364 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 14:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11320 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 14:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715142428.11318.qmail@web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.124] by web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:24:28 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=HR6mpz5ZFizKAyVkGmjARRPTw7GmrLAihSnYFdnnuQ1ZM-WV X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit shivering timbers is ,ichigan advutueres is muskegon michigan!!!!!! Matt wrote: I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers there!! Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 07:29:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15492 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 14:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 14:28:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:28:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050715142428.11318.qmail@web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=3tjJzHhSNCgFBTmgm9yzgU2RBEUMnO23V4r2E4P9vQ-Brz-c8aLqrrE X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire That's what I mean it would be cool if Shivering Timbers was there because then there would be four great woodies becuase Shivering Timbers is currently my favorite woodie!! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, jakob williams wrote: > shivering timbers is ,ichigan advutueres is muskegon michigan!!!!!! > > Matt wrote: I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted > to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The > ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers > there!! > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 15 08:07:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70228 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 15:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 15:07:39 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2005 11:07:21 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,293,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="62569069:sNHT26287288" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6FF7JW2007620 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.218.151]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:07:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 15:07:19.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4FB8370:01C5894E] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=8nn6vidd3SX_xwy7ux0law44djzWNVOxTxSzVc0ij_-waQKg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, > I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the park is now serving > Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) Woo .. excellent! (Still waiting for flaming cheese, though..!) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 15 09:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75505 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 16:03:47 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1e4.3f904fa8 (15877) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (24.115.39.186.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net [24.115.39.186]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542d7de39ea; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:03:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:02:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D7DE20.1000703@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 24.115.39.186 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=jR3FvHZ2aarTI48XHoY1SIksrWCMTJ0_oo2dk-4WjJVHlAqlPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote on 7/15/2005, 10:28 AM: > That's what I mean it would be cool if Shivering Timbers was there > because then there would be four great woodies becuase Shivering > Timbers is currently my favorite woodie!! And here I thought it was because ou would like to see the ride out of Cedar Faire management and at a park that knows how to take care of a wooden coaster :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 10:06:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89567 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 65095 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 17:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715170641.65093.qmail@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.106] by web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:06:41 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=TeUL486pI4n-wXf3baHjeMxgPHRqVkDhoQvbvp-UMIv2N2g4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi Nate, > > > I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the > park is now serving > > Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) > > Woo .. excellent! (Still waiting for flaming cheese, > though..!) > > Cameron. > > -- ha ha ha > Cameron Silver: ** I am > Bender, * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert > girder. * / //\ > **************************************************************** > \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. > * \, > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jul 15 17:35:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66537 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:37:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=_846j5L_KngfhaFH9TquUdN4ah1v5F8D96X9xQMr40gTH7KmQG3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme A friend of mine sent me this when I told him about Holiday World's plans. I thought he had some interesting observations. ===== > I don't get it. When I was a kid, we all wanted to go to Riverside and Mountain Park just because they were there. I never recall asking what new rides they had - these were just great places to be during the summer. Now it seems they have to have some kind of bait to get people to go. And as often as not, the bait is something that isn't all that desirable, and we have to put up with annoying ads that constantly hype the thing. Am I missing something? Was Mountain Park always concerned about having a new attraction each year? < [The answer is no, they weren't concerned. The last new ride there was the Tempest in the 1970s.] > This new coaster looks over-the-top, ridewise, and will probably be a huge maintenance headache. < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jul 15 17:53:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12019 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:55:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200507151755.AA2739208504@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Hp5to_aBNCv9LRqV1vbGtbUykaOW_yGlqWVwB11DGXKjATBQ5g5I X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I'm not sure if you're referring to the video or the actual ride here, but both feature steel supports. < Yeah, you're right. I goofed. But I still say steel track, even if it's initially more expensive, will save them a lot of headaches...unless the coaster comes with composite track. Intamin can't have a lock on using composite wood. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 09:51:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38376 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so121811rne for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.15 with SMTP id h15mr557712rng; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071609516d3ecea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:51:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=TRuu98af0JjdjY-6leAnK94K5hwHjvWyEZyVWbPcUsfWWYr- X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons That is an interesting observation, Jay. And I would agree... it's part of a shift in society... look at the Universal Ads to kind of get at the heart of the matter... we're work-a-holics, people don't take vacations, free time is being spent elsewhere and a lot of industries are competing for whatever free time we have left. the bait is as much to pull people away from working on a weekend project as it is to pull people away from other destinations and activities. Heck, this is the first year in several when I'll actually have vacation days left at the end of the year to carry over into next... that's unheard of for me! From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 17:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24485 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:41:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=pwuHAwadvBz-vfXgVey449iu-I2yZdNZPTJ7o5Qd-bDekvZFsDe6 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > (Still waiting for flaming cheese, though..!) Sorry Cam, you'll have to go to coasterbuzz for that... AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (Who thinks SFFT's Rattler is a more accurate simulation of Hades) P.S. The Pentax promotion worked great at SFFT thurs. Two of us got in for free with two Pentax cameras. Just remember to bring them with you. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 16 19:38:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5119 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 02:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 02:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 02:37:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j6H2bjGR023044 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024501c58a78$871b2960$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:36:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Tll1sj8OVgbLFHLT9HfyQL--9Af7Q6dWBaVrlcIcyTgsSkMPWcrSCFIJeA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > A friend of mine sent me this when I told him about Holiday World's > plans. I thought he had some interesting observations. > > ===== > > > I don't get it. When I was a kid, we all wanted to go to Riverside > and Mountain Park just because they were there. I never recall asking > what new rides they had - these were just great places to be during the > summer. Now it seems they have to have some kind of bait to get people > to go. And as often as not, the bait is something that isn't all that > desirable, and we have to put up with annoying ads that constantly hype > the thing. Am I missing something? Was Mountain Park always > concerned about having a new attraction each year? < > > [The answer is no, they weren't concerned. The last new ride there > was the Tempest in the 1970s.] I would think your milage may vary here depending on the region where you grew up. Growing up in Southern California, we were always wondering what new ride would be added each year to the parks. I believe it was also documented that Disneyland's first decline (pre-Eisner) was blamed on the lack of adding new attractions in the late 60s and early 70's. This is why they added two big E-ticket coasters by the end of that decade (Space Mountain in '77 and Big Thunder Mountain in '79). From jzerkel@consolidated.net Sat Jul 16 20:17:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41327 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42D5C3FF.7020304@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.86.164 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=Q2N8PaiEmUmcTyTVN4LgsQvSRzGdF4_1iI6JMYJjvzMcROWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > And was it just me, or did the people screaming at the news conference > get annoying to anyone else? I also watched the streaming video. I was getting rather impatient/ aggravated when Pat Koch spent 15 minutes introducing all the dignataries and guests, then Will spent ANOTHER 10 minutes "filling" time before they FINALLY got on with the announcement. You would think that the TV station that had that video could have edited out a lot of that. Also, the video/ sound quality was very poor when Will was displaying the line graph and talking about HW's attendance growth in recent years. Wasn't sure if that was a problem with their feed or with my computer, but it made me rather disappointed. BUT...The Voyage does look like one tremendous ride, and I can't wait for 05-06-06!! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 17 11:26:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26189 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:28:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200507171128.AA3146907832@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=0HrCkl38YVRbDWDBmJK4F6HxHQKg3iFMJ40NXGl3on-6gbqa6UfU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I would think your milage may vary here depending on the region where you grew up. < I absolutely agree, Lance. Parks have always added new attractions to boost attendance. But I think my friend was focusing on the current trend of mega-parks putting in mega-rides that completely devour their capital. I'd like to think that the ride boosts attendance enough to make back what they put into it. But I wonder how much that's true these days. Six Flags New England has now spent close to $200 million since 1997. Has the corporation really recouped that investment? It would be nice to think that the park can clear $20 million a year to pay for the additions, but then there's also the cost of simply operating the place. Will Great Adventure be able to make up for the $28 million spent on Kinga Ka, when it's not even running? How about all the other rides that park has added in the past few years? How does the cost of maintenance on the rides take away from profits the park might have earned? I think what's happened is the scale on which parks operate has gotten so huge that their finances are nearly incomprehensible. When Mountain Park added a ride, it was often put together in-house, with components ordered from various manufacturers. Their laborers were there year round anyway, so it made sense to put them to work building a new ride that would draw more guests. (That's how all their funhouses were designed, and how most of the buildings were constructed.) The park was also a very manageable size, and at the time rides cost a lot less than they do today. But more important, which touches on what Lance was saying, is that the park new its market. It wasn't a destination attempting to attract people from all over the country. Its guests mainly came from the surrounding communities, looking to spend a relaxing day in a picnic grove that also had some rides for the kids. It was very inexpensive, and also familiar. The big parks want you to discover something completely *unfamiliar,* something so spectacular, you'll tell others about it and bring more guests into the place. The amusement industry, in many ways, is a much different beast than it used to be. Like everything else in this country, it's now dominated by a few multinational corporations. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 01:59:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 906 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 08:58:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:57:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=g3SEz8sVIM1WMxp7Y9HngN6GjsXCjpSO8rzWxjTHq-C7833NIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The few photos I could take of this are now posted at RCDB. (The dark image of the guy with the eyes, (He looks like Vivi from FF-IX to me if you get that reference.) is from the pre-ride movie.) Chris B From jakersw22@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 15:28:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69907 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:26:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.209.110.224 From: "jakersw22" Subject: sweet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=JKS2hpIia4kmouj1AvjRmsuS_dZsnLTDixyjomqpZlLelWmz X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 I highly recomend going to bucsh gardens in williamsburg, Virginia. Das Festhaus has great food. germany ruels! ! ! From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 18 15:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77666 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DueCl-0003vY-9n for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <42DC2EA3.8000504@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:35:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d7e0dff541296c872c5b6286f2ceb8565350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] sweet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nMp7DhIrhGkmgegD_-Ld4PYZeIRdM9OFhI8baCl6QbyLnZY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jakersw22 wrote: > > > I highly recomend going to bucsh gardens in williamsburg, Virginia. > Das Festhaus has great food. > Heh, didn't you already post this once, or something like it? :) Those of us who have been to BGW will agree, it is a great park. But how about offering up something for discussion? Tell us about your last visit there- good, bad, and the ugly. What are your thoughts about one ride compared to another? How do you think it compares to other parks that you've been to... In other words, we're not a travel agency, so just throwing out a recommendation to visit a part doesn't mean much unless it's in response to someone's question about where to go. But if you're wanting a response to a post, then try to make sure that it's something that people can, and will want to, respond to and talk about. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 06:57:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2875 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=xFoVLfJk4yGbazj_KT2PgKotCfY1NIzoQguBCFYWqiZ2ESJsQf0G X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Now that Holiday World has announced their new ride and given the nature of what it is, a new question comes to mind... How can they build a ride of this caliber and NOT have an enthusiast event next year? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 07:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65878 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 14:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 14:30:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:30:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=vg_DrH3M3H77HuQGqYxd9Fw45L3pVvOh065XVU-VfMjbCOGE0MJFj8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 19 08:21:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84680 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dutu5-0002YG-Db for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:21:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d3c7c24d3fc3ed5feedf1d8f774b8a06e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yvaikMIU88KNstiChDBJEx7TRtSFRTfkwjTFa05Ln1LmQbk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brian Farral wrote: > Now that Holiday World has announced their new ride and given the > nature of what it is, a new question comes to mind... > > How can they build a ride of this caliber and NOT have an enthusiast > event next year? I tend to agree. They have already signed on to be the co-host for ACE's Coaster Con, so in that sense they already have agreed to do another enthusiast event. But not one of their own. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some point similar to what SRM was. However, I'd expect them to change the name of it, if for no other reason than to not invoke the memories of what happened. Maybe they'll call it Voyage Home for the Holidays, or some other play on Voyage. In any case, I'd be shocked if we don't see some sort of even in the next year or two. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 08:37:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81488 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 57022 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 15:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719153737.57020.qmail@web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.209.110.224] by web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:37:37 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:37:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=x1y-ViWfGsEzGLFxshNWCcpO6dzVQRe8Vc5CMJVbUCw8m_YT X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit shivering timbers Matt wrote:I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 19 08:44:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64970 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2005 08:44:24 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,300,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="315296560:sNHT47733258" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6JFi7ox019401 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.240.229]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> References: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:44:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 15:44:22.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBC6F6B0:01C58C78] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=oBru-vvue1hDyIFo7n3PxFmB22sHWRoZydAAv0zSNGf3I1Qh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some > point similar to what SRM was. I also think that they might even change the time of year .. like make it a fall event to dis-associate even more from Stark Raven Mad. (This is just a hunch .. I don't actually have any real information..!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:14:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45558 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:14:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DINUQ6mOxFFYubq9p-cIG0JLUkDkt-hFtIbrMzBiomjhnGg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 The Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 local.htm By BANKS ALBACH SANTA CRUZ, CA -=97 When it comes to American amusement parks,=20 sunshine, a cool sea breeze and even a dose of small town culture=20 weigh just as much as big rides and funny people in furry outfits. At least that's the feeling the editors of Citysearch get from the=20 Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. Citysearch placed SCBB 9th among the best American amusement parks.=20 Astroland Amusement Park in Brooklyn, N.Y., ranked No. 1. Anaheim's=20 Disneyland came in 4th. Outside the entrance to the Giant Dipper Tuesday, James Elliot of=20 Vancouver, BC, said: "It has a small town feel (with) the smells &=20 sounds of a county fair," he said as he dolled out ride tickets to=20 his son James, 12, and daughter, Sahara, 10. "It's beautiful and the=20 scenery is great." The family had just visited Disneyland and Universal Studios. Scenery may not be what a 12-y.o. roller coaster enthusiast yearns=20 for, but as most youths can attest, the buck stops at the=20 folks. "This old-school boardwalk harkens back to an earlier era of=20 lazy leisure and family-friendly amusement," Citysearch writes. "The park features a carousel, dozens of rides, test-your-skill=20 challenges, laser tag, an indoor video game & pinball arcade, and the=20 requisite cotton candy, hot dog and lemonade stands, along with=20 plenty of goofy time-wasters like Skee Ball, Whack-a-Mole and indoor=20 mini-golf." Though Citysearch notes one downfall, "Any sunny day is perfect for=20 the beach down below, though the water's usually quite chilly." Kris Reyes, community relations director at SCBB, said, "We work=20 really hard to provide a unique and memorable experience, and we are=20 honored to be chosen among the top 10 best amusement parks in the=20 country." Robin Beamon of Modesto said she comes to SCBB for the food. "It's a=20 good combo of everything, `cause I can watch them ride while I eat,"=20 said Beamon as her niece and nephew swung like a pendulum on the=20 Fireball. Charlotte Matityahu & Cheryl Lawless, both of Palo Alto, brought=20 their kids for the food and rides. "It has the beach and that's the=20 big draw for me," Lawless said as her daughter Alana, 10, got off the=20 Rock'n'Roll and ran to the front of the line. Matityahu was a little more blunt. "You're not inundated with stuff,"=20 she said. "Great America has become so tacky..." Amusement parks are big business these days. Worldwide revenue totaled $19 billion, with American parks bringing=20 in more than half of that, according to Forbes.com. An average one=20 day ticket costs $25. SCBB costs $26.95 for an all-day pass, but it's open to foot traffic,=20 which saves a few bucks for nonriders, like grandpa or grandma.=20 Mondays all rides are 60 cents. Unless you're Dave Pulling's father-in-law. Before plopping down on=20 the beach, the 65-y.o. charged the Double Shot and liked it, Pulling=20 said. "(The Boardwalk) kind of has a throwback, nostalgic feeling,"=20 Pulling said. "We like that." So did Pulling's son, 6-y.o. Zach, who had just ridden the Giant=20 Dipper. "It was scary," he said. He closed his eyes and screamed the whole time. ----------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:16:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22362 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:16:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Eh9RHmOqlIioLzqq4OOhdNDvgkDMmVbHI0iL8Jpp-Q0UsSE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 Citysearch.com The Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 local.htm By BANKS ALBACH Citysearch, a search service that provides information on businesses,=20 from restaurants and retail, to travel and professional services,=20 recently ranked the country's amusement parks. Citysearch touts=20 itself as helping users to make informed decisions about where to=20 spend their time and money by delivering more than 1 million=20 editorial and user reviews and ratings of local businesses. 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. 8. Paramount's Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. ------------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2071 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:21:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: First mobile amusement park of the northern region was inaugurated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=THTr3qbUNpEe5K-dfuscYGiEOaQBUW1zdpbW3PMkrOraz-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 18 2005 Daily News Monitoring Service News from Bangladesh http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-07- 18&hidType=NAT&hidRecord=0000000000000000052961 Nepland -- The first mobile amusement park of the northern region was inaugurated Sunday in Rajshahi in order to address the recreational needs of its people. Rajshahi City Corporation Mayor Mijanur Rahman Minu inaugurated the fantasy park through a simple ceremony at the Collectorate Playground. Neptune Entertainment and Amusement Company Limited, a sister concern of Neptune Group is implementing the project in Rajshahi. ---------------- From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39822 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15497 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 18:23:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719182334.15495.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:23:34 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=AvcVTmmpRccyXf20Sw2y3unWdQwxl1XRyM60UwvpHVlwWXA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Is this the list from MSN? It seems about as worthless... Adam 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. 8. Paramount’s Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:33:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Just add water - New amusement park thrills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=saCHr8QbOBiPmEZH2hAE_JAlQUAp4bVa2n9y1csfC8q-3Z8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/18/2005 USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2005-07-18- waterparks_x.htm By John Seewer, Associated Press KINGS MILLS, OH =97- Smiling and screaming all at once, Joe Hoffman and=20 his 9-y.o. daughter Mackenzie tightly grabbed their raft as they=20 rocketed into a giant funnel and splashed into a pool of water. They spent the day at Paramount's Kings Island riding the twisting=20 tube slides while the rest of the family swam in the children's=20 pools. "We stayed an extra day because of the water park," said=20 Hoffman, of Toledo. Theme parks of all sizes are discovering a new recipe to attract more=20 thrill-seekers and families: Just add water. Unlike a looping steel roller coaster, lazy rivers & speed slides=20 appeal to the entire family and are cheaper to build. "They're just=20 fun. People don't go to the beach or lake like they used to," said=20 Bill Spehn, GM of Geauga Lake, an amusement park near=20 Cleveland. "They're now going to a water park." The park is spending $26 million over the next 2 years to create what=20 it says will be the largest water park in Ohio. The first section=20 opened this year. For about what it would cost to build a new roller coaster, Spehn=20 said, "you can do an outstanding water park for $20 million and=20 create something that is good all day." Six Flags Great America near Chicago built a new water park for 2005=20 that features 25 slides and an interactive playground with water=20 cannons and a volcano that erupts every few minutes. It also has=20 cabanas for rent =97 with your own waiter =97 where visitors can have=20 lunch or take a nap. 11 Six Flags parks around the country have added tornado slides to=20 their lineups in the last 2 years. The 6-story funnel sends riders in=20 a raft spinning back and forth before dropping them into a pool. PKI added its own version last year. The additions are signs that a few slides and a wave pool just won't=20 do anymore. Monstrous raft slides and speed slides that rocket riders=20 on 100' drops now rival the thrills found on roller coasters. "The=20 rides are getting a lot more exciting, a lot more thrilling," said=20 Melinda Kempfer, business development coordinator for Water=20 Technology Inc. "Everything has been taken up a step." The company, based in Beaver Dam, WI, has worked on about 50 projects=20 since 1999, helping amusement parks design and build water parks. Water attractions offer what many other rides can't =97 togetherness,=20 said Tim O'Brien, who wrote "The Wave Maker," a book about George=20 Millay, the father of water parks who created the Wet'n Wild water=20 park chain, beginning in Orlando, in the 1970s. "You can only put so=20 many loops and inversions in a roller coaster before you rule out=20 half of your audience," O'Brien said. "Families very rarely stay=20 together and ride roller coasters all day." Creating a relaxed, tropical atmosphere is important, too. PKI=20 completely renovated its old water park, adding children's areas with=20 a waterfall and a pirate ship. Visits increased by 20% last year in=20 the water area, said Maureen Kaiser, a park spokeswoman. PKI season pass sales also increased, and daily attendance went up by=20 7%, to 3.5 million guests last year, highest among the non year-round=20 parks in the U.S. Some people go to the park just to swim. Barb Felton, who lives a few miles away, bought a family pass and=20 takes her 3 daughters and their friends a couple of times a week. "We=20 figured that would keep them busy this summer," she said. "I just go=20 lay out by the wave pool." Attendance has nearly tripled =97 to 855,000 a year ago =97 at Holiday=20 World in Santa Claus, IN, since 1993, when the family-owned park=20 opened Splashin' Safari. "It's the best business decision we ever=20 made," said Will Koch, president of HW. "It's exceeded any=20 expectations we had." HW is doubling the size of the water area over next 5 years. This=20 year it added a new wave pool and next year a raging river. It also=20 offers everyone free sunscreen. Past additions include a funnel slide and a giant enclosed slide. "We=20 have taken to putting in these monstrous water slides and attractions=20 that look good on a TV ad and have that roller coaster marquee=20 value," Koch said. Regional and family-owned parks say the water park boom has helped=20 them compete against the corporate-owned giants that dominate the=20 industry. At Seabreeze in Rochester, NY, the crowds come during the day for the=20 lazy river and body slides. "We used to be a nighttime park, said=20 park president Rob Norris. "Now people are here longer and they tend=20 to spend more." The park has added onto the water section 7 times since the area=20 opened 17 years ago. The nation's oldest amusement park, Lake Compounce in Bristol, CN,=20 said its water park has increased season pass sales among the=20 locals. "They use it like a pool pass," said Jerry Brick, GM. "A lot=20 of people come down here to sit on a lounge chair and read a book by=20 the water, and they come to people watch." ------------------------------------ Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. =A9 Copyright 2005 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:35:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83369 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:35:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050719182334.15495.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H3DrgS8HIXX7yhXi5CS9R6O2ROYvESSx5LmZ79GUii7hnLc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 It's from Citysearch.com (Whatever that realy means?). -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy =20 wrote: > Is this the list from MSN? It seems about as > worthless... >=20 > Adam >=20 > 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. >=20 > 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. >=20 > 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. >=20 > 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. >=20 > 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. >=20 > 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, > Minn. >=20 > 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. >=20 > 8. Paramount=E2=80=99s Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. >=20 > 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. >=20 > 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. >=20 > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 12:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82802 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Big park experience molds Zoomers plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5Ab0IYJu5k74NCtIYfA-44LNWWPQA5z8vq4KFzwKKUh7WL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 The News-Press http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050719/NEWS0101/507190333/1002/NEWS01 By JOSEPH A. GONZALES Cape Coral, FL -- Tim Miles loved amusement parks so much as a child=20 growing up in Columbus, OH, that he decided to own a few himself. His current project, Zoomers, off Summerlin Road in south Fort Myers=20 is expected to open this fall. Before he moved to Cape Coral in 1991, Miles had been involved in a=20 number of big-name amusement parks in the US. He got his start in group sales at one of the most popular theme=20 parks in the U.S. =97 Kings Island in Cincinnati. That was in the early=20 1980s. He was onboard when PKI had 3.2 million visitors in 4=20 months. "40% of those visitors came because of group sales, like=20 company picnics," said Miles, 60. As his expertise in sales grew, so, too, did interest from others who=20 wanted in on creating successful theme parks. By 1987, Miles and a few friends purchased Wyandot Lake Amusement &=20 Waterpark, and Geauga Lake Amusement Park, both in Ohio, as well as=20 Darien Lake theme park, now owned by Six Flags, in Buffalo, N.Y. Each of the partners brought years of experience in sales,=20 operations, accounting and management. One was coming off a career at=20 Hersheypark, a well-known park in Pennsylvania. "We formed Fun Time=20 Inc., and we were the first to combine wet & dry parks all under one=20 park," said Miles, referring to the Wyandot park. "There were other=20 water parks around but they weren't part of a dry park." In 2003, he and 2 friends sold land in Sarasota County to purchase=20 the Zoomers property. His newest park combines all the best of what=20 has worked successfully over the years, he said. "Today, you try to be all things to all people, but depending on the=20 size of your park, that could be hard to do," he said. "You go to=20 most mom-&-pop parks and they're not doing anything for the little=20 guy. They're really keyed in to teenagers, and that's about it. We've=20 tried to make the experience for all ages." Miles' experience has taught him to offer unique attractions. That's=20 why Zoomers will have a Jason's Deli-like restaurant, rock climbing,=20 bumper boats, a geodesic dome for bungee jumping, an 18,000-sq-ft=20 building for events & birthday parties, picnic groves, grilling pits=20 and maybe concerts in the future. "Over the years, I've had the=20 opportunity to figure out what works and what doesn't work," he=20 said. "We've taken the best of everything and tried to put into this=20 park. "I've always been associated with a big-park mentality, so this is a=20 small park but there's a lot we could do here. So, it's a different=20 mentality." Although Six Flags has purchased some of the other parks he's been=20 involved in, Miles expects Zoomers to stay family owned. He may also=20 plan to build 2 more parks, one on the southwest coast of Florida and=20 one farther north on the west coast. "Once you get into this=20 business, I don't think you grow up," he said. "I like seeing kids=20 happy. I was always one of those guys going to amusement parks. So it=20 just evolved into a livelihood and a love for people having fun." Louisiana resident Denis Densmore worked with Miles at Wyandot=20 Lake. "A love of amusement parks is what makes a person good at it,"=20 said Densmore, referring to Miles. "Otherwise, it's just a job. It's=20 his drive that makes him good, and he's good with marketing and good=20 with people. He knows his stuff." Although Miles likens Zoomers to a miniature Busch Gardens or=20 Disneyland, don't expect 400'-high rides moving at great=20 speeds. "We've got our niche and we're going to stick with that," he=20 said. ---------------- Copyright 2005 , The News-Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 12:34:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52503 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:34:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Visionland Selects Cygnus for Print at Home Ticketing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=f5jomAVOyMxdKuWdwpcydhOeSBfnwH81FHuDre2fXyz2Q2w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 PrimeZone Press Releases Yahoo! News http://au.biz.yahoo.com/050719/21/64yx.html ORLANDO, FL -- Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. today announced that it=20 has signed an agreement to provide online ticketing technology and=20 services for Visionland, an amusement park and water park in=20 Birmingham, AL. The new online ticket store will utilize Cygnus' ceShop (tm) eCommerce sales engine, ceTicket(r) electronic fulfillment=20 technology and cePay(tm) financial processing. ---------------- =A9 2005 PrimeZone Media Network =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 19 14:53:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5383 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 21:53:22 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1e.499521cf (4328) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.499521cf.300ed04b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:53:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=UYj7F2unzgiI7vnzVElRBfCus6f2oN8ttG55kmPH3bMCf8ERJW6l X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Number 1 is Coney Island? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 19 15:00:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68076 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1ac.3bcfe65e (4328) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ac.3bcfe65e.300ed1fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:30 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=hxOH5LhVLJF-KsMGuSGwoH0Qv1p1AUYpOuTY2TdZqKB-r4baGxj- X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He does! Haha! How's the loop? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jul 19 15:04:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96203 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:04:53 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.ea.6d93c717 (3924) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:45 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to question this person's judgement. First of all, how can you put Astroland over Cedar Point?? Astroland is historic, but its basically just a carnival now. A shadow of its former self of days gone by. Maybe 100 years ago, it might have been better than Cedar Point, I dont know. And also, how in the world did Six Flags AstroWORLD make number 10? I really have to question that one! There's not a coaster there worth noting. Fiesta Texas and Six Flags Over Texas are a thousand times better than Astroworld! Oh well, to each his own, I guess. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jul 19 16:37:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99143 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6JNb0gk026721 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWMbvCNdrijlDjWQQS1kFA0gyhVXwAS8CUg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=P0L9nA5FvOfwZ-Yc6wCkUyy3Qk2M8D4diDPHVOSNfOJUAFc X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that > picked "other" in the poll. Tremors. --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:40:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12520 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so824754rne for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.2.68 with SMTP id e68mr1642601rni; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507191640715cf366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:40:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=pJTMk4cuOUHE1vlpdhV5mQrANMYGSnyKMHY2Nt4w-GO7pkfv X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons yeah, what he said On 7/19/05, Greg Legowski wrote: > > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that > > picked "other" in the poll. >=20 >=20 > Tremors. >=20 >=20 > --Greg > Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! > Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. > -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 19 19:51:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86772 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.dd.2a0d7704 (15863) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742ddbc1b3; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:51:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:50:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42DDBC04.5030006@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=uu5r0Ja4oFxKshZwyCgrmJZM0uOK_FLXFVNT1TydnN0WFphUDA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mr Albach should learn to do a little research before simply copying=20 lists to print. This list is very old and very subjective. aelk2004 wrote on 7/19/2005, 2:16 PM: > July 19, 2005 > Citysearch.com > The Santa Cruz Sentinel > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 > local.htm > By BANKS ALBACH > > > Citysearch, a search service that provides information on businesses, > from restaurants and retail, to travel and professional services, > recently ranked the country's amusement parks. Citysearch touts > itself as helping users to make informed decisions about where to > spend their time and money by delivering more than 1 million > editorial and user reviews and ratings of local businesses. > > 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. > > 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. > > 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. > > 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. > > 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. > > 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. > > 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. > > 8. Paramount's Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. > > 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. > > 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. > ------------------- > =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 21:26:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13387 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:26:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ac.3bcfe65e.300ed1fe@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=yk5B1lO5tfQJQMZdkxdIiI_UetxeHNr2zfn43UF9SM64BAgQmw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > He does! Haha! How's the loop? > > -Dainan from North East Coasters > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I have to say, as the first time I have ever been on an inversion without knowing it was coming, I was VERY surprised! After returning to the normal right-side-up orientation, I laughed and shouted "Hey! What the hell? That was a loop!" It was very disorienting. Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 12:06:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87738 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uYYUx31gpi1Z7rRdCniZXTDQJAvr7mgIXHsbfsptM7MDSNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I have not been on any of the coasters on that list. Say it isn't so! True, true. So obviuosly my vote can't really be compared with those who have. However (back to Matt's question), I would choose Rattler (at Cliff's in Albuquerque, NM). Though not large, it's fast, fun, and very re- ridable. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" > in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what > they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels > too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! From coaster_freak_in_ohio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:39:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coaster_freak_in_ohio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90766 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:39:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.213.33.2 From: "coaster_freak_in_ohio" Subject: New and ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=231054080; y=H8rKLFvp4FokiGGCYYIiSyBIivgEBPe6Frsu7fNMcQsCtVfy3yaUxYkipsWeEFj5 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_freak_in_ohio Hey everyone I am new to this group and I was also wandering I am going to geauga Lake on Saturday and I was wandering what should be the first Coaster I should Go On? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:56:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21802 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:55:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:55:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:55:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New and ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r0n5E6hGW6Bs6j70YPsGBBFXznRv9hCOb75XxGT6kh4WDmo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey CFiH, Welcome to the group! Be prepared for a very opinionated conversation with this question ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "coaster_freak_in_ohio" wrote: > Hey everyone I am new to this group and I was also wandering I am > going to geauga Lake on Saturday and I was wandering what should be > the first Coaster I should Go On? From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 20 17:52:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88216 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (242669hfc88.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.69.88]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6L0ptGK026145 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DEF1AC.4010702@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:51:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: THUNDER7NYFL Reply-To: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Misc: SFI - SEC FILING 12/31/2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=njbiSG1Ucf32jUDXZgJE7y182BBe1_bGpvLtIiAIUvvEsXU9_hw- X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl http://www.getfilings.com/o0001104659-05-011331.html I thought this was very interesting for those who want to know more about the parks and the chain that operates them. Joe From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 20 18:44:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 513 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:41:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=51P07QQK0k1yo6gVKa4g9DrhE8VfGKi8cWF8mfeQEVQxKYXutXEl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. < I was thinking of Great Escape's Comet. Although not as smooth and meticulously-maintained as it once was, it's still a terrific ride, possibly the greatest coaster Schmeck ever designed. It's also historically significant, not only for having been moved from Crystal Beach and faithfully reconstructed, but also for having the distinction of being the infamous Crystal Beach Cyclone (one of the first steel-structured wood coasters) with all the steel bents re-arranged by Schmeck into a torrent of non-stop airtime. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 20 19:14:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.204.603f822 (15874) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242df04e1c5; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> Message-ID: <42DF04C9.1070508@aol.com> References: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=Axxc2x4F5oVrTGIMkv_7pSJoMEeOfXM0b54S9_5FguFnSrdAyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jay Ducharme wrote on 7/20/2005, 9:41 PM: > > I was thinking of Great Escape's Comet. Although not as smooth and > meticulously-maintained as it once was, it's still a terrific ride, > possibly the greatest coaster Schmeck ever designed. Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. Now here is a question, what about the great Schmeck designed ride operating or not? I sure would have loved to get a ride on the Idora Wildcat. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 10:59:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15127 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 17:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:59:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=QAZzJTQIOIfY9jRvqlxRmk4bZCOGni8PtgsgEgwxDD_mmdaf2QTfjJM X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78106 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:10:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42DEF1AC.4010702@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Misc: SFI - SEC FILING 12/31/2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BEdA9qmHlzXDf7r1NOrNWqtZavaf1GibRR7JNgZki5VOvWo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Yup, more than I wanted know ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > http://www.getfilings.com/o0001104659-05-011331.html > > I thought this was very interesting for those who want to know more > about the parks and the chain that operates them. > > Joe From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:15:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68947 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:15:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1092 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park worker injured while checking attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U2jxVNbiCg78yzY2WDIzArWrR5cY2WPMr-k3zRL1fNDpEoE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 21, 2005 Yahoo! Asia News Kyodo News http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050721/kyodo/d8bfl6280.html Kyodo, Japan -- A female employee at the Tokyo indoor amusement park=20 Namjatown was seriously injured Thursday when her upper body became=20 trapped while inspecting equipment at a haunted hotel attraction,=20 police said. The accident took place at the "Bathtub," which has a 6-cm-thick=20 cover measuring 1 meter in width and 1.2 meter in length. The cover=20 is designed to open and release a ghost when a sensor detects=20 visitors. Yumiko Watanabe, 29, was trapped when she was apparently trying to=20 adjust some lighting on the cover, the Metropolitan Police Department=20 said. She was found by a colleague who called the ambulance, just before=20 the amusement facility opened at 10 a.m. Namjatown closed the haunted=20 hotel attraction but all other facilities were open to the public on=20 Thursday, the first day of school summer vacation. The amusement park occupies 2 floors of the Sunshine City building=20 complex in Higashi Ikebukuro. ------------- 2005 Kyodo News =A9 =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:19:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22215 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:19:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Pennsylvania=92s_oldest_amusement_park_announces_expansion?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rlS1fAQJcsmN92IMzuIzKUchqE_wYJ5f5QsKNTgHSulJjqU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 20, 2005 The Daily Item http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2005/0720/fea/stories/06fea.htm LIGONIER, PA -=97 Pennsylvania's oldest amusement park is planning a=20 million-dollar waterpark expansion. Idlewild Park officials said the new pirate-themed waterpark will=20 open for the 2006 summer season. The expansion will include 6 water=20 slides, more than 100 interactive play areas, a 500-gallon tipping=20 wash bucket, a children's wading pool and a birthday party pavilion.=20 The park has not chosen a name for the new area yet. "Our new pirate-themed waterpark will be unlike any other around and=20 will secure our leadership position as one of the best kids parks in=20 America," said Brandon Leonatti, the park's general manager. Idlewild was founded in 1878 as a picnic area along the Ligonier=20 Valley Railroad. It is the third-oldest amusement park in the United=20 States. ------------- =A9 2003 The Daily Item Publishing Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:35:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16707 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1qB8bNT2ZWJjIvBzi1nRHYzSzI-hPqoBThkUlYfx5AMa95I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 20, 2005 Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News Hotel Online http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2005_Jul_20/k.HCT.1121955561.html By Don Stacom BRISTOL, CT -- Lake Compounce expects adrenaline fans will focus on its flashy new $3 million thrill ride next year, but the amusement park has far bigger plans in the works. The owners of America's oldest amusement park are trying to secure the final permits they need to start a multi-year, $17 million expansion to eventually boost LC's capacity by nearly half. "We can't afford to do it all in 1 year; it's a 3-4-year project at least. But I'm very optimistic that we can open the 1st phase in 2009," park GM Gerald Brick said Tues. The park's owners want to relocate Mount Vernon Rd to free up about 10 acres near the waterfront, and then begin developing that land for an enlargement of their Splash Harbor water park. Company executives met earlier this month with U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, and hope to get a final approval for the road relocation later this year, Brick announced. "Each time we talk, they have questions - but we're answering them, and now we're getting fewer & fewer questions. And we have all of the town approvals we need," Brick said during a media tour of the park on Tues morning. The expansion is planned on the Southington end of the park, and John Weichsel, town manager of that community, said Tues that he's sure all the necessary municipal permits will go through. "We've approved it in principle, and I'm sure there won't be any problem with this going through," Weichsel said. "This has been in the works for 15 years." On a sunny weekend day during the peak mid-summer season, LC might get close to its capacity of about 15,000 customers between its water park attractions & amusement rides. Expanding into the 10 additional acres would push that capacity up by 5,000-7,000 people, Brick said. The expansion plan would get under way next summer by clearing a section of woodlands and putting down a half-mile of pavement parallel to Mount Vernon Rd, but about 300' farther from the lakefront. The following year, the old roadway would be torn out and electric, sewer and water lines would be installed. All of the roadway and site work might run somewhere in the field of $2 million, Brick estimated. By 2008, the land would be ready for development; Brick envisions converting it to water park use over a period of several years - but not necessarily back-to-back. Instead, on alternating years LC might add land-based rides and other attractions, he said. Ultimately, the park's Pennsylvania-based owner would pump about $15 million into the new Splash Harbor development, he said. Next season will feature a new land ride: Thunder N' Lightning. On Tuesday, a backhoe and earthmover began digging up turf to accommodate the foundation for the 2006 headliner attraction. The $2.5 million ride built by Utah-based S & S Power is a set of pendulum-style gondolas that will swing back & forth at 60 mph, and take riders about 80' up. They'll be suspended at a 115-degree angle to the ground, then swung back down in reverse. The ride will cost about $500,000 to install because it requires deep concrete footings reinforced with steel plates and an enormous foundation. Brick said that buying the ride from a domestic builder - rather than from the European manufacturers who've increased their market share in recent years - allows a substantial savings. "When we ordered it in Nov, there was about a 30% difference because of [the value of] the euro," Brick said. "Italian and German suppliers are offering to cut more deals now." -------- Copyright (c) 2005, The Hartford Courant, Conn. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14820 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:48:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Travelers Advantage Rates the Top U.S. Theme & Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ioHjrvTjnFmegBArCURkdsj4yZEUQPsfYYgJ2BXGa1bQ_2g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 21, 2005 Travelers Advantage Yahoo! Financial News http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050721/nythfns2.html?.v=3D2 NORWALK, CT -- As summer fun coasts onto the scene - 1 in 10=20 vacationers will visit a theme or amusement park this summer - the=20 experts at Travelers Advantage have strapped in for the ride, rating=20 the top U.S. theme and amusement parks. More than 328 million people visited amusement parks & attractions=20 last year, according to the International Association of Amusement=20 Parks and Attractions. In addition, theme park travelers spent an=20 average of $839 per trip, excluding transportation to their=20 destination, compared to just $433 on the average US trip, according=20 to the Travel Industry Association of America. They also included=20 longer overnight stays (5.4 nights) compared to the average US trip=20 (4.1 nights). "As vacationers bask in the sun this summer, family travel to theme &=20 amusement parks continues to surge in popularity," said Julia Ryan,=20 VP of Travelers Advantage. "Some of the best & amusement parks." Visiting a theme & amusement park is definitely a family affair. More=20 than 5 in 10 (59%) of US households that visit theme or amusement=20 parks include children under 18, according to the TIA. By comparison,=20 just over one-quarter (26%) of overall traveling households include=20 children on their trips. Both beach travelers (20%) and theme &=20 amusement park travelers (21%) are more likely than average (16%) to=20 fly to their destination and to rent a car upon arrival (6% vs. 3%). Here's the ticket to the top US theme & amusement parks according to=20 the experts at Travelers Advantage: 1. The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 2. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA. 3. Epcot at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 4. Disney-MGM Studios at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 5. Disney's Animal Kingdom at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 6. Universal Studios at Universal Orlando, FL. 7. Islands of Adventure at Universal Orlando, FL. 8. Disney's California Adventures, Anaheim, CA. 9. SeaWorld Florida, Orlando, FL. 10. Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal City, CA. * Top Theme Park Foods ... Funnel cakes, ice cream, pizza, hot dogs=20 and cotton candy. Men go for the pizza and hot dogs, while women=20 prefer funnel cakes and cotton candy, according to the IAAPA. * Favorite Park Features ... Rides, shows, special events/festivals=20 and playing games. Most often, men prefer rides, women go for shows=20 and festivals, according to IAAPA. * Ticket To Ride ... Roller coasters, ferris wheels & carousels, oh=20 my! Roller coasters grab top honors, according to IAAPA, followed by=20 bumper cars, ferris wheels and carousels. Men would rather jump on=20 roller coasters, while women opt for ferris wheels and carousels. ---------------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:59:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76396 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:59:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Closure call brings more visitors to marine park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R9_ezH4AUjVT45FOmIPAqIvgvwz7FwC_yPrN23HeELNI4tw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 22, 2005 Philippine Daily Inquirer=20 Inquirer News Service http://news.inq7.net/regions/index.php?index=3D1&story_id=3D44369 By Blanche S. Rivera Subic Bay, Philippines -- Instead of causing closure, the death of a=20 false killer whale in a marine park in Subic has sparked curiosity=20 and brought in more guests at the Ocean Adventure park. OA president John Corcoran said the controversy generated by the call=20 of animal rights activists to close down the facility has encouraged=20 people to check out the park on Cawayan Bay in Subic. "It's not the=20 first time this has happened. We were greeted here by activists; it's=20 an issue we've had to deal with and will continue to deal with,"=20 Corcoran said. "We've seen people coming to the park out of curiosity because some=20 controversy was brought up," he said. The Dept of Environment & Natural Resources has said OA would remain=20 open. It has also not required the park to secure an environmental=20 compliance certificate from the agency as the DENR row with Subic Bay=20 Metropolitan Authority over the issuance of permits has not yet been=20 resolved. Corcoran invited the animal rights activists calling for the park's=20 closure to see the facilities and check the care given to animals. OA, the only open water marine park in Southeast Asia, spends 35-40%=20 of its annual expenditure for animal care. "I would encourage=20 activist groups to follow our lead... It's going to take a lot more=20 people, animal activist groups, school groups, conservation groups=20 and government all joining hands... for conservation education...=20 Let's set aside the hatred," he said. 'Doomed animals' OA's CEO Timothy Desmond belied claims by Earth Island Institute- Philippines and Philippine Animal Welfare Society that the park was=20 harvesting cetaceans for human amusement. Desmond said the park's animals were "doomed animals" because they=20 were either wounded or recovered from people who would have killed=20 the animals for food. Hook, the 13-y.o. female false killer whale who died on July 8, was=20 wounded by a harpoon when it was brought to the park. Hook was the=20 third killer whale to die in the park in 4 years, possibly of gastro- intestinal illness. "When we got them here, these animals had a fixed=20 life span. They had 1 day, but Hook, for example, lived for another 7=20 years because of the care she got here," Desmond said. Desmond expressed confidence that the Philippine public is "smart=20 enough to know something of value when they see it and to know over=20 time which claims are accurate or not." A total of 869,441 visitors have been to OA since 2002, of which=20 28,508 were foreigners. Some 16,000 came from as far as Mindanao and=20 20,000 from Visayas. Corcoran said he was expecting the biggest number of guests this=20 year. The company's June 30 report showed 132,176 people have visited=20 the park this year, already more than half last year's total=20 248,420. "I think our ethics is what will protect us," Desmond said. ------------ =A92005 www.inq7.net From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 21 15:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25971 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2005 15:46:35 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,134,1120460400"; d="scan'208"; a="650019441:sNHT28279660" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6LMkVup004039 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:46:31 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:48:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:46:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 22:48:55.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA76CF0:01C58E46] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=aA5mVSXOiNFKRio4M28evmfNfHBYGuMddAuXSxOqCXQfDNcf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I have (sadly) never been to Lake Compounce, but it's so great to read positive expansion stories like this. Especially coming at the same time as the announcement from Kennywood. I know a lot of the big parks are suffering with low attendance figures (and that is a shame), but I'm so thrilled to see the smaller parks thriving. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 21 18:11:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27060 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 01:11:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:09:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=QlXaiVv33dHB88dFAiBceZ6D-PVuaIb5eFT52h1PTCehCosfrcng X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. < I really love the Phoenix, too. And Knoebel's is probably my favorite park. But with Phoenix, I think a lot of credit goes to Knoebel's maintenance staff who do such a good job with that ride, plus the terrific ride ops. If any of you rode the Comet in the first few years after it was rebuilt, it had all of Phoenix's airtime, plus non-stop blazing speed and glass-smooth trackwork. It also has something with which the Phoenix can't compete: its storied history. To ride over the same structure that once was the Crystal Beach Cyclone, and to stand in the very same Cyclone station, to me puts the ride head and shoulders above any other. It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. I can't thank Charles Wood and Tom Wages enough for the great job they did. But yeah, the Phoenix is great too. Heck, Idlewild's Rollo Coaster is amazing! Schmeck was a genius. Idora's Wildcat...I don't know. I've heard that in its later years it beat the snot out of the riders. That was probably for lack of maintenance. One coaster I would love to have ridden was Sterling's Million Dollar Coaster. It was the Shivering Timbers of its day, just camelback after camelback and bunny hop after bunny hop. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:30:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1832 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:28:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=b3tD_sUKRUc3FSepVfCQhi_2S7TKmW64HK1_7MZvwI_hNFPpeA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see > everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers > than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? I think that you would find that people's answers to that question would vary even more! After all, there are far more steel tracked coasters out there than wood. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:33:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68979 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:32:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park worker injured while checking attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-wA5Nxffly7q9cMGeM3NY6sLXCvE75Vmy3cfi23lu5f1ootgXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > July 21, 2005 > Yahoo! Asia News > Kyodo News > http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050721/kyodo/d8bfl6280.html > > > Kyodo, Japan -- A female employee at the Tokyo indoor amusement park > Namjatown was seriously injured Thursday when her upper body became > trapped while inspecting equipment at a haunted hotel attraction, > police said. > The amusement park occupies 2 floors of the Sunshine City building > complex in Higashi Ikebukuro. I've never heard of this place, maybe I should check it out. Y'know, to make sure there aren't any roller coasters. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:38:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90415 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:37:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:37:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Travelers Advantage Rates the Top U.S. Theme & Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=EYi0ryD8Xb35cC-uvqIVmS12QB8wWvsdP2znmLiddaMIcJoBoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > July 21, 2005 > Travelers Advantage > Yahoo! Financial News > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050721/nythfns2.html?.v=2 > > > NORWALK, CT -- As summer fun coasts onto the scene - 1 in 10 > vacationers will visit a theme or amusement park this summer - the > experts at Travelers Advantage have strapped in for the ride, rating > the top U.S. theme and amusement parks. > 1. The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 2. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA. > 3. Epcot at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 4. Disney-MGM Studios at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 5. Disney's Animal Kingdom at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 6. Universal Studios at Universal Orlando, FL. > 7. Islands of Adventure at Universal Orlando, FL. > 8. Disney's California Adventures, Anaheim, CA. > 9. SeaWorld Florida, Orlando, FL. > 10. Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal City, CA. Now this is a top ten that I believe most people will find slightly more believable than the one last week. Well it seems like a top ten attendance list at least! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:43:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56754 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:42:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:42:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:42:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0kLY1HZ_QHotSQ0UBIAnSA7VbTxGUAmXj2qbU1gw4_JqI6sg1g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > Jay Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't been on this coaster. :) Chris B From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 10:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6678 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 9255 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722175406.9253.qmail@web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.106] by web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:06 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=9-aKcOVP_bhzXGLzTgWyozWdYgdL4befceKgmhDuOoo27cBz X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ya make a steel poll Chris wrote: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see > everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers > than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? I think that you would find that people's answers to that question would vary even more! After all, there are far more steel tracked coasters out there than wood. Chris B Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coreyml03@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 13:05:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54774 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:05:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 339 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.215.208.122 From: "corey" Subject: best woodie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=0mLc5DSsO44CXFhVfrUDpGVI68dwFg7AZK8hiAp7ZMtfl2K7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 the great american scream machine @ SFOG is my "home" woodie i get excelent air on it and it is 10 miles away so i love it i rode gwazi (i forgot which one) and that was freakin aweosme it was intense and a blur but me and my sis loved it that is #2 as for those on the poll, ive never been on any of em i hope to go to ohio next summer From lau228@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 15:15:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84481 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53907.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 22:15:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 39770 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 22:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722221457.39768.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:14:57 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42DF04C9.1070508@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=LCwq3BDBtw5vMr4twv2ADLHVx0H2etPXxVyhxzQ2leqJ X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 > Now here is a question, what about the great Schmeck > designed ride > operating or not? I sure would have loved to get a > ride on the Idora > Wildcat. > > -- > Nathan Brown I am a total Phoenix fan. It's my favorite woodie to date. Now from what I can remember about my rides on the Idora Wildcat, I think it would've given Phoenix a run for it's money. The only thing that might give Phoenix the edge was Wildcat had some brutal laterals mixed in with it's airtime. Basically, if you like laterals, you would probably like Wildcat better than Phoenix. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jul 23 01:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56752 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Jul 2005 08:01:54 -0000 Date: 23 Jul 2005 08:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1122105714.21.56751.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: With all the excitement of The Voyager going on, what is the best woodie?? CHOICES AND RESULTS - The Beast , 0 votes, 0.00% - Boulder Dash, 1 votes, 4.76% - Shivering Timbers, 1 votes, 4.76% - The Legend, 1 votes, 4.76% - The Phoenix, 6 votes, 28.57% - The Raven, 2 votes, 9.52% - Thunderbolt, 0 votes, 0.00% - Thunderhead, 2 votes, 9.52% - The Texas Cyclone, 0 votes, 0.00% - Other, 8 votes, 38.10% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - The Beast - Boulder Dash - tom@fiftyfour.com - Shivering Timbers - mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com - The Legend - scrunch17@yahoo.com - The Phoenix - Hardcorebandgeek@aol.com - onhisown@comcast.net - Old_Coaster_Guy@FrontierNet.Net - munkye1972@yahoo.com - gburnash@earthlink.net - lau228@yahoo.com - The Raven - coasterjunkie@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - Thunderbolt - Thunderhead - Cyclonic07@aol.com - jophish17@comcast.net - The Texas Cyclone - Other - jay@karenandjay.com - bethtoons@gmail.com - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com - gregleg@gregleg.com - coreyml03@yahoo.com - aelk2004@yahoo.com - luv2dogs@yahoo.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:03:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53736 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1a8.3b80bb66 (15874) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242e231e9279; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42E231D1.2010906@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=cSsRElnn40fbFRbMHgHnkPCSK8FBZVLAdbQZF-yQdWD9UlWF8A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 7/22/2005, 4:42 AM: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > wrote: > It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > > > Jay > > Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't > been on this coaster. > > :) > > Chris B The lift actually speeds up as the train nears the top, catipulting the train over the top. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6623 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.20d.56dacf7 (15886) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42e233b82a6; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> Message-ID: <42E233A0.3090400@aol.com> References: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=r7egsxEkw5hafSV9mJMP8O0AEu2FgVA5GmIDlhjim1Ht2ZXhRA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jay Ducharme wrote on 7/21/2005, 9:09 PM: > >Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love > the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. < > > I really love the Phoenix, too. And Knoebel's is probably my favorite > park. But with Phoenix, I think a lot of credit goes to Knoebel's > maintenance staff who do such a good job with that ride, plus the > terrific ride ops. > > If any of you rode the Comet in the first few years after it was > rebuilt, it had all of Phoenix's airtime, plus non-stop blazing speed > and glass-smooth trackwork. It also has something with which the > Phoenix can't compete: its storied history. To ride over the same > structure that once was the Crystal Beach Cyclone, and to stand in the > very same Cyclone station, to me puts the ride head and shoulders > above any other. It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever > ridden. I can't thank Charles Wood and Tom Wages enough for the great > job they did. > > But yeah, the Phoenix is great too. Heck, Idlewild's Rollo Coaster is > amazing! Schmeck was a genius. Idora's Wildcat...I don't know. I've > heard that in its later years it beat the snot out of the riders. > That was probably for lack of maintenance. > > One coaster I would love to have ridden was Sterling's Million Dollar > Coaster. It was the Shivering Timbers of its day, just camelback > after camelback and bunny hop after bunny hop. > > Jay I am in the midst of writing a report on my first visit to Idlewild, and I really liked the Rollo Coaster. I likened it to a smaller, tamer Boulder Dash with the way it just seems to scamper along the hill side. It is a very nice little ride. I too have always been facinated by the Million Dollar Coaster (which actually cost a bit less then that). Another Eastern PA coaster that facinates me was the Skyclone at Central Park in Allentown, PA. I've seena few pictures of the ride, and it really looked unique, and maybe even a little wicked. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64378 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.198.43577467 (15876) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442e2345f373; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:13:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:12:55 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42E23447.4010102@aol.com> References: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=RgiptbNHKbAozf6w69UWDlHe0maWMCXLTgsgbmZgu3f94zKUhw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/19/2005, 11:44 AM: > > I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some > > point similar to what SRM was. > > I also think that they might even change the time of year .. like > make it a fall event to dis-associate even more from Stark Raven Mad. > (This is just a hunch .. I don't actually have any real information..!). > > Cameron. Can you tell I'm catching up a little this morning :) I would rather see a spring event. A fall even would be cool, but would also likely interfere with Phall Phun Phest. It is much easier to spread those weekends out a bit. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 07:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39882 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:06:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 17050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Idlewild Park: July 16, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=soRsnXWs7jDblJPcHp_TeZsX2t_buzgPCNVBcCG8KWO5w0ZF4g X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Idlewild Park (http://www.idlewild.com) Weather: Hot and muggy The entire collection of photos from this trip can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/cnju8 An integrated photo report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/crurs I have two panoramic pictures, which can be found here: http://www.penncoasters.com/idlewild.htm Some may find this report a bit long. This is a park I've never been to, and I hear little about it, so I would like to detail it a bit more then usual. When I get around to writing my Kennywood report, it will likely be much shorter. I headed out Friday directly after work, and headed for Somerset, where I was to stay the night, with just one pit stop. I got in at about 9:30, not too bad considering I left at 5:30 from the Philly area, and collapsed into bed. The Hotel was a Knights Inn, and despite it being just $30 online, it wasn't too bad, it hadn't been renovated since at least the 70's, and was built in this weird, dark tudor style, but it was clean, without any of the musty, cheap motel smells, which pleased me since I am a bit of a hotel snob. I got to Idlewild at just before ten to find a line up of cars in the drive. I could see the parking lot ahead, and did not think it was too bad, until I got closer, and saw that I was in the lesser used entrance. It was going to be a busy day in the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175384-M.jpg Idlewild has an unusual admission system. Instead of parking and then having a gate when you get admission, they have everyone pay at toll booths before entering the parking lot. Everyone gets a wristband, so you can't just walk in either. I kinda like this, as this way you don't have to go through the whole hand stamp and readmission thing if you have to go to the car, but it does slow things down on the front end. That, however, did not matter I would find out. Why? Because even though the park opens at 10, the rides aren't open until 11. It took me a few minutes to figure this out, but once I did, it gave me a chance to get some pictures I would otherwise not have gotten. I walked around Raccoon Lagoon getting a bunch of pictures of some of the more interesting kiddie rides. They have some nice older rides, including this Doodle Bug ride, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175396-M.jpg a neat old tracked car ride based on the Lincoln Highway (it even had a nice information plaque about the road), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175401-M.jpg hand carts for both children, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175406-M.jpg and adults (which is cool), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175404-M.jpg a kiddie Turtle ride (each turtle has a name), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175398-M.jpg and even the little boat ride on the edge of the small lagoon. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175409-M.jpg I was over this way to get a ride on Mister Roger's Neighborhood, which I'd heard gets pretty long lines due to its low capacity, but is worth it if only because it is different. The ride was created in 1989 by he park staff with the assistance of the late Fred Rogers. He help with the design and voiced all of the characters. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175417-M.jpg I sat down with about 20 minutes until the ride opened. There was a family already there ahead of me, and soon others lined up behind. The queue is nice, it is set up like an old trolley stop, with a small roofed shelter over a long line of benches. When it came time for the ride to open, a trolley came out of the woods and we boarded. The trolley itself is a work of art. I had at first thought it was an original trolley from somewhere, and components of it may well be, but a small plaque on the inside indicated that it was built in 1989 as well. In any case, it is a great looking vehicle, and looks just like the miniature trolley from the TV show that I so adored as a child. Thing is, no matter how I adored the show as a child, the trolley seems to be just about the only thing I recall from it, perhaps because that was the thing I liked most. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175453-M.jpg In any case, once settled the trolley set off for the Land of Make Believe. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175428-M.jpg King Friday XIII, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175432-M.jpg The X the Owl and Henrietta Pussycat, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175437-M.jpg The Platypus Family, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175440-M.jpg Daniel Striped Tiger, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175443-M.jpg Prince Tuesday and Anne Platypus (who have a thing for each other), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175445-M.jpg And finishing with the party in the castle courtyard, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175448-M.jpg Is it corny? You bet. But, it was part of my childhood, so I liked it none the less. It is neat that they recreated it. I do wonder, through, if the show even still airs? If it is too simple for children's tastes today? But, I digress. After my trolley ride, I decided to take the train ride, as it was just pulling up as I exited the ride. The train is a common Chance ride, but looked older then most that I have seen. It lazily meandered back through the woods, just out of sight of anything else in the park, and came out onto a bridge crossing the Loyalhanna Creek, which bisects the park. After crossing the creek, it hangs a sharp left and travels through a long shed that is open on the creek side, but closed on the side facing he parking lot. Then in comes into the station in the Hootin' Holler' section of the park, where I exited. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175421-M.jpg Next the the station is Confusion Hill, which I had no clue as to what it was. Turns out I would not find out just yet either. Just as I entered the first room of the attraction, the power went out. They sent everyone out of the ride. Turns out, the power in the entire park was out. I wandered up into the rest of this section, and then into the Old Idlewild section. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175499-M.jpg I really liked this area of the park. It seems management had decided, and rightly so, to keep this area much like it was at the turn of the century. All the buildings are painted a brilliant white with red roofing, and the rides, most older classics like a Scrambler, ferris wheel, and Tilt-a-Whirl, were surrounded by white picket fencing and benches. Even the queues were made with the picket fencing. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175463-M.jpg The power was still out. I walked up a small hill in this area to a large old picnic pavilion. It was a grand structure, with a sign noting its age and various uses over the years, a stage, dancing, and now a picnic grove. It had this beautiful Romanesque facade with a carved lion's head overlooking the park. I shot some photos, and by this time the power was back on, so I headed down and checked out the carousel. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175464-M.jpg The carousel is a classic PTC machine, with some very nice horses and a great, in tune bad organ. It is maintained very well, though some of the horses could have used a touch-up and a coat of varnish. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175476-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175502-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175468-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175471-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175472-M.jpg Next up for me was the Rollo Coaster. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175474-M.jpg This is one of the few Schmeck coasters I had yet to ride, and it is a very unique, though short ride. The wait was about ten minutes, they were running just one train, but that was all they really needed. I got lucky and was in a position to get a front seat ride, they fill just one trainload of riders onto the station platform at a time. The train seems smaller then a normal train, but not as small as a junior train. Also, the only restraint is a single position lap bar, which you squeeze under as you enter. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175478-M.jpg The ride is fast, it is only 900 feet long, but fun. There are not much in the way of forces, just a little airtime, but you weave your way along the hillside and around trees much like on Boulder Dash, which in a way, it is a miniature, tame version of. After exiting the ride, I took a walk around it to get as many angles on it as I could, and it turned out to be more photogenic then I expected. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175489-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175491-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175495-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175488-M.jpg Next to Rollo Coaster was a ride called the Trinado, which is a Huss Tristar. Unfortunately it was closed, but it looked interesting, and I had never seen one like it before. It has three arms that hold a ring of cars much like a Troika, except the arms don't tilt up. Instead, it looks like the entire ride tilts up like an Enterprise. It was a shame it was not running, and did not open while I was there, it looked like a fun ride. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175480-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175479-M.jpg I made my way across to the mouse, but it was still closed, they were resetting it due to the power outage, so I instead hopped on the old Caterpillar next to it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175510-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175511-M.jpg This is one of only two Caterpillar rides left that still have their canopies, and I have now ridden both. It is a fun little ride, it spins pretty fast and is disorienting when the canopy is pulled up. They also gave a pretty long cycle. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175515-M.jpg Once I got off the Caterpillar, the Wild Mouse had reopened. This is truly a unique ride. It is a Vekoma mouse, the only one out there, and it was assembled within a copse of trees, so it runs in and out of trees, zig zagging around and diving under them. It has this one spot, right above the station, where it dives down under a crossover that itself is surrounded by trees, creating a great effect. On top of this, it is very well run, with minimal braking. It could well be the best mouse out there, even better then the excellent one at Hersheypark. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175512-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175517-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175523-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175526-M.jpg I started to make my way back to the Hootin' Holler' when I spied the Whip hiding next to the Tilt-a-Whirl, and thought I should catch a ride. This particular Whip is interesting. It looks like a Mangels Whip, except the car bodies were made of plastic, as if at one point they were replaced. I can't imagine a Whip car body getting is such bad shape that they would need replacement, so maybe this is a "newer" installation. Even more odd was the way this ride was run. There are no single riders allowed on the ride. I've never seen a Whip like that, and really can't even think of a reason why it would be that way. Another annoying thing, the ride op had to go around the ride after every operation and close all of the lap bars, even though riders are going to board in a moment and open them back up. In any case, when I finally had a partner (a reluctant young kid named Jason), the ride ran pretty well, some good speed in the corners for some nice whipping action. Not as good as some I've been on, but better then others. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175530-M.jpg Walking back through Hootin' Holler', I came to Dizzy Lizzy's, and got in line. After just a few minutes, we were taken into a pre show area with a cute little bottle switching trick. I really didn't know what this ride or walk through was about, until we were led to the next room, where I found a haunted swing. The "ride was pretty long in duration, and the effect worked pretty well, fooling several of the other riders at first. After Dizzy Lizzy's I headed around the corner to Confusion Hill for round two with this attraction. I got on this time. It is a walk through that follows a cute little story line and show some visual tricks. The story is about a bunch of miners that built a hotel to live in. The mine owner found out there was gold in the mine, which ran under the hotel. In his lust for the gold, he ended up collapsing the mine, and the hotel, which is now on a slant. The slant is created so that certain things seen to move against gravity, for instance, in one trick, water is poured and it appears to go uphill. It is a nice little attraction. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175533-M.jpg I considered taking a ride on the new Loggin' Toboggan, but the line was long, and the ride looked pretty lackluster, with just a few zigzags and one hill. It was nicely placed in the park, and the theming of the ride fit that area of the park very well. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175534-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179971-M.jpg I wandered over to Jumpin' Jungle, a children's play area. It has all sorts of activities for the kids, like a giant cargo net for them to climb on, a nice big ball room, and even this cool kid powered calliope, where the kids use rubber mats to make different tones. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175539-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175538-M.jpg I next took a walk through Story Book Land. This area really hearkens back to the story book lands of the fifties. The neat thing about this one, they have not simply left it the same, but have continued to add to the attraction, bring the scenes from the original 15 to 40. The even have a new one going in next year. See if you can remember some of these tales from your childhood: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175540-M.jpg EEEK!!! http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175544-M.jpg Just a little crooked... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175545-M.jpg Rub-a-dub-dub... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175549-M.jpg Not a house I would want to venture into... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175552-M.jpg TIMBER!!! http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175554-M.jpg The dashing knight... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175557-M.jpg ...looking to slay the dragon and rescue the princess, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175558-M.jpg No wonder he couldn't keep his wife, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175563-M.jpg Jack and Jill went up the hill... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175566-M.jpg A gender confused Wolf? http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175571-M.jpg Some of the Seven Dwarfs http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179890-M.jpg Jack be nimble, Jack be quick... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179900-M.jpg Humpty hasn't managed to fall yet, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179907-M.jpg After a slow walk through Story Book Land, I headed back to the Old Idlewild section for one last ride on Rollo Coaster, and hopefully a ride on Trinado. Trinado was not to be, still closed, but I had fun on the Rollo Coaster, and then took a ride on the Skooters. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179946-M.jpg I love how the Skooter building looks like it would have 100 years ago, too bad the cars are modern cars, slow, actually very slow, and no hitting power what so ever. I would venture to even say this is the worst set of bumper cars I have ever been on. I wandered through the gift shops, finding absolutely nothing of interest, no pins, no good mugs or stickers, not even a patch, and just awful shirts. Oh well, I did take allot of photos, and I mean allot, so that would surffice, so I headed out. I spent just a bit less then five hours in the park, and had a good time. It was hot and sticky, and I was surprised we didn't get a quick shower. The park itself was not too crowded, it was busy, but I didn't wait more then 10 minutes for anything. The waterpark looked very busy, for good reason. Overall, I really liked the park, and was glad to finally make it there. It was always one of those parks that I passed by on my way to Kennywood or Cedar Point, and never had the time to stop, so it was a good idea to make the time. I liked the turn of the century charm the park has kept, while still modernizing into a theme park atmosphere. It is a great family park, with lots of kid friendly attractions, and a few thrill rides for the older ones. It could use a larger wooden coaster, something not too big, but a nice midsized ride using the woods that surrounds the park. I think that would fit there very nicely, and make it more attractive to families with older children. Well, I hope you enjoyed. I know this was a little long winded, but I felt I should really cover the whole thing. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 04:50:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24191 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:49:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E231D1.2010906@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=u0tvpChAqWkjvtQjA9WXbI2CVOEyGgJsX_FYxwH_4sAj3F5TfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Then you should like MF's lift hill, as the nylon lift cable 'unstretches' as you climb the hill, doing the same "catapult" effect. The differences being steel/wood, chain/cable, and a whole lot of altitude. I can't believe I've never been to Great Escape, considering I'm from Massachusetts, and have done several coaster trips from there since I started doing coaster trips! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > > > Chris wrote on 7/22/2005, 4:42 AM: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > > wrote: > > It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > > > > > Jay > > > > Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't > > been on this coaster. > > > > :) > > > > Chris B > > The lift actually speeds up as the train nears the top, catipulting the > train over the top. > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 04:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89819 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:57:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E233A0.3090400@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aiPzHlaqO08H9z0xWk7IbO94MuAqfkptWVLFrh0HOTQ2QgoIKw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > I am in the midst of writing a report on my first visit to Idlewild, and > I really liked the Rollo Coaster. I likened it to a smaller, tamer > Boulder Dash with the way it just seems to scamper along the hill side. > -- > Nathan Brown Great comparison! I totally agree! I also feel that it fits the younger target audience of the park pretty well, too. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 07:16:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44218 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38182 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2005 14:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050724141651.38180.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:16:51 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=hRRLKBuP0-HsP3_oR-_2d2efMf9cpm1lC5uaoJU0lxG0iI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I know a lot of the big parks are suffering with low > attendance > figures (and that is a shame), but I'm so thrilled > to see the smaller > parks thriving. From what I understand, so far the midwest is doing so-so, while the Northeast/New England is having quite a good summer for parks of all sizes. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jul 24 20:37:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28434 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.df.181a0897 (3866) for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:37:20 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Coney Island Twins Day 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=SjjPTbL_h59Mc7lvUTz1fhWXQ7PHz2BbRNrnJTJZ8bTBOPN3Oy8P X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People: My mother Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Dainan (me, 15) We arrived at Coney Island at 12:00 PM. I noticed that the Pirate Ship was closed (roped off) and the queue was missing. We met up with the our agents/leaders of Twinsworld Debbie and Lisa. After we met up with all the twins, we went to the Cyclone. out of 77 coasters, the Cyclone is still my favorite coaster. We sat in the last car each time. We rode twice in a row. After Cyclone we went into Astroland. My mom, Anthony and I went on Dantes Inferno. Savannah didn't want to ride. So me and my mom went in, and than Anthony. Going down the hill I screamed and held my face. Each person in the area stopped what they were doing and looked. We got a big laugh out of that. I love this ride, but the effects aren't as good as they use to be. Anthony headed over to the Water Flume, while my mom and Savannah watched me ride Break Dance. This is the god of all spinning rides. This was only my second time on it, and it's not my last. My first ride was longer though. When I got off, my mom and Savannah couldn't find Anthony because they thought he went on Break Dance, but in an other car. We tried looking for him, but gave up in a minute. He's 15, what could happen? Savannah and I get in line for the Water Flume. We waiter 20-25 minutes in the sun. Luckily it was running both stations and all logs. After 10 minutes in line, we see Anthony come down the hill, and while he's coming around, Savannah and I were just screaming at him. It turns out it was just a misunderstanding. Savannah and I went on the Scrambler next. Anthony skipped this, because he was starting to feel sick. Not from the rides, but just not good. It took about 7 minutes to load. It was annoying. The ride started. It was fun, but the ride was too long. We weren't getting sick, we were just getting bored. After that we went on to the boardwalk and into Deno's. We went down under the Wonder Wheel and straight to Super Shot! Super Shot is a transportable free fall tower from ARM. Savannah and I went on twice. This was (sadly) the most intense drop ride I've ever been on. It lifts you up so slow, that you forget that your moving. When you get to the top you just drop! You don't stop. Also there is a little cover above you, so you can't see above you, if you listen, there are two clicks, the first click and than the second, but when the second goes, you drop. There are no camera rules, so I took advantage and got a POV video. It sill be on my site soon. (I asked the operator before I got onto the platform if I could bring my camera on, he said yes. There is also no signs that say no camera. ) After that we went to eat. It was time to get back to the Cyclone where we were to ride the Cyclone with many twins. What a mess. There were news cameras there and everything. But the operators weren't expecting this. Also, I tried telling the news broadcasters where to go, where the Media entrance was, but they would listen because, I'm 15 and they don't know me through a hole in the wall. We get to the platform, there are two trains loading. During this mess I decided a way to figure out the problem. While the train is loading, we should have gone on at the exit, take that train, while the other train was loading. They didn't do it. The station starts getting crowded. People can't walk. The train gets half filled with twins. Debbie and Lisa knew me and Anthony are coaster enthusiast, and they made us get in the second row, while they get in the first. Lisa chickened out. Train locked, we left. Just like that. Anthony and I looked at each other and said, "WTF!?" Oh well, the ride was good. We get back to the station and it's packed with cameras and reporters. I HATE this. Ever since Coney Island Twins Day 2003 I've hated this. I've avoided them ever since. In 2003, every 13ft we were stopped and interviewed. And last year was not as bad. This year we got interviewed twice. Once inline for Dantes Inferno (I forgot what i said), and the second getting off from the Cyclone Being interview I realized Debbie and Lisa were in the other train (ugh). Because we weren't going to stay for the group photo (I couldn't be happier), my mom decided to take her own group photo, of us and a few other sets of twins. Well, more got in, than more cameras and reports. I wasn't happy! You must remember it was a scorcher so the heat wasn't helping. After the hysteria, Savannah, Anthony and I went on the Cyclone on last time. We got the last car again, but this time in the train they just put on. All I can say was, OUCH! At the bottom of the first drop Savannah (who as arthritis) snapped her neck, and I got a big just up my spine. I watched the car in front of me bounce up and down, back and forth the whole ride. After that we went home. Overall it was a good day. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 11:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35432 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=i0WeWVOh_d8t7cD5pSLH2jPiR5jRzmk-osmQbhPmzEOZZTef2tbIjW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just curious, because I haven't heard much about it,has anyone rode Hydra and is it cool or what? I really like Dominator at Geauga Lake and was wondering how it compares if anyone has rode both. From rablat5@juno.com Tue Jul 26 11:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23548 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQPA8WAPRGL6A for (sender ); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGp9RumXlE24lJY3GTFfJ4eefQ3W0m9jSLg== Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KYUV7MB7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:40:29 PDT Received: from [144.51.73.129] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:39:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:39:49 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1959585862 X-MAIL-INFO:2d5f1e6bc70baec7a3a30b0fae0f778acbb7eeda7363cad71ab7cb7feadbc3c7ca X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.166|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|rablat5@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "rablat5@juno.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=M8jYvysQKv_9CT-IKmEra1KAAa0eBgmsG7JBU17261CPjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Actually, I was not much impressed. Probably let down. I didn't like the JoJo roll, and the ride just didn't have a lot of intensity. Give me Talon any day over Hydra. It is, however, much better than the coaster it replaced, but that wasn't that hard to beat. I do, however, like Dominator at Geauga Lake. -Ben ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95265 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/ap/20050726/ap_on_re_us/death_ride_1 By DUNCAN MANSFIELD SEVIERVILLE, TN -- An amusement park manager convicted of reckless=20 homicide in a passenger's fatal fall from a ride was sentenced=20 Tuesday to 4 years of probation. Charles Stan Martin was convicted earlier this year in the death of=20 June Carol Alexander, a 50-y.o. woman who was riding The Hawk, a=20 swinging gondola-style ride, with her teenage son and her sister.=20 Alexander's harness came loose, and she fell 60' to her death. "We=20 can't sleep at night, screaming out in our sleep, seeing her fall,"=20 the sister, Judy Sprinkles, testified Tuesday. The victim's husband expressed disappointment that Martin did not get=20 any jail time. Martin, 57, manager of the defunct Rockin' Raceway,=20 could have received up to 4 years in prison. "Of course, the man had=20 never been in trouble before, but still I felt he should have gotten=20 some jail time," Richard Alexander said. In addition to probation, Judge Richard Vance sentenced Martin to 200=20 hours of community service and fined him $5,000. Martin is not=20 allowed to work on amusement rides during his probation. Testimony showed that a safety system which would have stopped the=20 ride when Alexander's harness opened had been bypassed with a "jumper=20 wire." No one saw who put the jumper wire in place, but=20 circumstantial evidence pointed to Martin, who was responsible for=20 all maintenance on rides. Martin blamed the ride's Italian=20 manufacturer, Zamperla. District Attorney General Al Schmutzer had asked for the maximum=20 sentence to set an example to other amusement park operators. Defense attorney Bryan Delius, who had asked for probation, said his=20 client was "elated" by the judge's decision. He credited the lighter=20 sentence to some 80 letters from Martin's friends & supporters. ------------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30488 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Kingda Ka opened in May to great fanfare at Six Flags Great Adventure=20 in Jackson. But it's been kept off the tracks since a malfunction=20 during a June 8 test run damaged some parts. No one was on board at the time. Repairing the 456'-tall coaster has taken time because some of the=20 parts were custom made and had to be specially manufactured by Swiss=20 company Intamin A-G. Engineers began testing the ride Thursday, and park officials hope to=20 reopen it soon. But Community Affairs Department inspectors must=20 clear it before that happens. -------------- =A9 2005 by The Associated Press. =A9 2005, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81801 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:49:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: OP-ED: Buying Dangerous Brands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H7hc2X-lxVTbcYou9J5a49MKXs0OtWPYNF1zvLsIpvoGrNg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 26, 2005 Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05072602.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Is Disney World safe? Over the weekend, Disney's flagship theme park resort in Florida was=20 dealt another blow when a medical report detailed the case of an=20 April fatality on the Dinosaur thrill ride at Disney's Animal=20 Kingdom. The ride was cleared in the mishap; the 30-y.o. passenger=20 had an unfortunate medical history and was wearing a pacemaker. But=20 the press picked up on the story, adding to the bad publicity Disney=20 has garnered lately. This is the kind of story that would normally scoot below the radar.=20 In fact, it almost did. If it were not for the reports coming out of=20 the Bureau of Fair Rides & Exhibitions and the Orange County Medical=20 Examiner's Office, the media would have probably not even have known=20 that it happened. But it did happen. And journalists love to rubberneck when covering=20 the self-proclaimed Happiest Place on Earth. Grim, grinning media comes out to scandalize- For some recent guests at WDW, it has been anything but that. Earlier=20 this month, a teenaged girl suffered a stroke after riding Twilight=20 Zone Tower of Terror and remains in critical condition. In an even=20 more horrific accident, a 4-y.o. boy died in June after riding=20 EPCOT's Mission: Space. Tack on the case of a 77-y.o. woman with=20 medical complications who passed away while riding the rather tame=20 Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Florida's Magic Kingdom back in Feb,=20 and Disney seems downright dangerous. Is Disney too daring for your next family vacation? Of course not.=20 I've been to WDW more than a hundred times since the 1970s. Beyond=20 once gashing a thumbnail when I was 10 while going down a slide at=20 the now-defunct River Country water park, I can't say that I'm any=20 worse for the wear. That certainly isn't meant to belittle the fatalities or the families=20 who have suffered. It's terrible. It's incomprehensible. There's no=20 doubt about that. However, 2 of the 3 deaths were apparently the=20 result of bad timing as the guests came packing plenty of medical=20 history baggage. According to Amusement Business, Disney's 4 Florida parks combined=20 for 40.7 million guests in attendance last year. The law of averages=20 states that a few folks will pass away while on vacation. I've been=20 on cruise ships where guests bid bon voyage and it never makes the=20 printed page. Disney, on any given day, is probably a much safer=20 place to be than, say, driving or walking around. The problem is that=20 the press couldn't care less about the guests who expire while dozing=20 in their guest rooms or on their way to catch a plane to Orlando. It=20 just doesn't make the headlines sing the way an on-ride casualty does. Beyond the Mouse Did you hear about the 15-y.o. kid who was killed for his iPod in New=20 York earlier this month? Again, it was dreadful. But let's be honest=20 here. If the kid would have been fatally stabbed over some generic=20 MP3 player, do you think it would have made the national news?=20 Probably not. This became a big story because it was Apple Computer's=20 iPod. There was even media coverage a few days later when Steve Jobs=20 called the boy's family to offer his sympathy. Clearly there is a downside to having an awesome brand. Think about=20 Taser. Routine Taser law enforcement incidents that do not result in=20 fatalities are often circulated through the media simply because it's=20 Taser. Granted, Taser can't just tell the journalists to clam up.=20 Calling them out for sensationalizing the commonplace would be=20 pointless. Taser, an active stock recommendation in our Rule Breakers newsletter=20 service, has had a rough year and some of the wounds have been self- inflicted. Those are the fair shots to take. Ganging up on Taser just=20 because a police officer used its stun gun to subdue an errant teen=20 in a harmless encounter? That's just brand discrimination. That's why Taser must have relished the opportunity that presented=20 itself when a USA Today story exaggerated the stun gun's electrical=20 force last month. Taser decided to sue Gannett for the=20 misrepresentation. Does Taser have a chance to win the suit? Maybe,=20 but that's not the point. The key here is that Taser decided to take=20 advantage of its media position to stir up some favorable publicity=20 for a change. Is your brand at risk? Are there any prolific names in your portfolio that get called out=20 unfairly from time to time? If your stock is also a verb -- like=20 Motley Fool Stock Advisor selections eBay and TiVo -- odds are the=20 media is just waiting to pounce. Offbeat or illegal consumer-to- consumer auctions rarely get any kind of attention unless the bidding=20 is taking place on eBay. A digital video recorder that isn't a TiVo=20 is just a DVR, and that would make for sleepy headlines. The media isn't doing this out of spite or malice. It's all about the=20 glamour. It's all about being newsworthy. Companies like Disney and=20 McDonald's will spend their corporate lives fending off unnecessary=20 headlines and boycotts and investors must accept that. It comes with=20 the territory. It's even a badge worth wearing. --------------- =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 15:39:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50649 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:39:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Thrill rides transform Six Flags Water Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_WoSphvPy237kMW2tfgMQw-Sn5V84A4zscxCGNPaWk03ojM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 22, 2005 The Capital http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2005/07_22-10/ENT BY SHARON P. CUNNINGHAM Upper Marlboro, MD -- Come down to the islands, Mon! Don't you wish?=20 But it's easier than you think - thanks to the largest makeover in=20 the history of Six Flags America's Water Park. Just 25 minutes south of Annapolis, SFA this summer is showcasing its=20 newly expanded Water Park, Hurricane Harbor. Sporting a tropical=20 Caribbean theme throughout this aquatic paradise, SFHH is a virtual=20 whirlwind of bright, bold colors. Returning visitors will be amazed=20 by the transformation. "I think our Water Park is a huge draw for our=20 season pass holders," said Lahne Mattas-Curry, PR manager. "It's cheaper for them to come here and buy a season pass than=20 purchase a pool membership - and you get so much more," she said. In addition to new retail shops and restaurants, 3 new water=20 attractions make their debut this summer as well. Featured are 2 new=20 family thrill rides, Tornado and Bahama Blast, neither for the very=20 young or meek at heart. And Buccaneer Beach, a new interactive=20 children's water activity area, is specifically designed with the=20 youngest guests in mind. The new Tornado definitely earns its name, resembling a huge funnel=20 lying on its side. Thrill-seekers riding in 4-person, cloverleaf- shaped air rafts begin their rapid descent 75' above the ground. The excitement mounts as riders emerge from an enclosed tube into the=20 great 132' funnel propelled by 5,000 gallons of rushing water. The=20 specially designed, unique cloverleaf rafts navigate the inside of=20 the Tornado, climbing high up the sides before reaching the vortex=20 and passing through the eye of the storm into a cool, refreshing=20 catch pool. "This one is quick! The 1st drop is amazing," Ms. Mattas- Curry assures us. "Everyone we've asked says it's well worth the wait=20 (in line)." Bahama Blast is a real blast, all right. 4 passenger inner tubes are=20 launched from a 55' tower into a 517'-long triple-dip spiraling=20 slide. Entering the enclosed tube, Water Park lovers become=20 immediately disoriented in the darkness. Suddenly they blast through=20 a curtain of water into an open track as they complete their journey=20 in a rush of twists and turns, ending with a huge splash in the pool=20 below. "This ride is better with 4 riders (per float) than 2. With 4=20 people it's more exciting because you go higher up the sides," said=20 Ms. Mattas-Curry. Buccaneer Beach is a bright & colorful maze of interactive spouting=20 fountains, rain curtains and water slides sure to appeal to toddlers=20 & preschoolers. A Tiki water curtain, a tipping bucket, palm trees=20 and a pirate ship add to the whimsical nature of Buccaneer Beach. It's constructed with parental needs in mind, and ample deck space is=20 available within the confines of Buccaneer Beach. Parents can relax=20 just a splash away from the water activity area and their=20 youngsters. "We've made more deck space for the parents so they can=20 camp out in the lounge chairs and watch their kids play," said Ms.=20 Mattas-Curry. Forgot your swimsuit, towel or water shoes? Visit the newly spruced- up retail shops catering to your every need. "We even carry swim=20 diapers for the little ones - a very popular item," said Ms. Mattas- Curry. At SFHH, not only the little ones are catered to. New this year, for=20 adults only, is the Calypso Bar. Patrons can sit barside enjoying=20 their favorite brew in cool shade provided by Caribbean-style ceiling=20 fans under the roof. Papaya Pete's Restaurant also is new to SFHH. Hungry guests can feast=20 on several different chicken meals as well as burgers, hot dogs, subs=20 and other goodies found throughout the harbor. Those guests returning to SFHH this summer will find many of their=20 old favorites with new looks as well. The Water Park's trademark Wave Pool has been renamed Hurricane Bay.=20 New deck carpeting and a colorful new aquatic backdrop adds new life=20 to this old favorite. But one of the park's most innovative=20 improvements can be found along Hurricane Bay's "shores." Private poolside cabanas, unique to this part of the country, are now=20 available for daily rental. These secure red-&-white tented areas=20 include a table and chairs for up to eight people. They rent for $55=20 weekdays and $75 on weekends. "They are very popular because you can=20 enjoy the park without leaving someone behind to watch your stuff,"=20 said Ms. Mattas-Curry. Paradise Lagoon, the Water Park's lazy river inner tube ride, is=20 still in operation, as is the only "regular" swimming pool, the=20 lagoon in the center. Guests feeling a bit lucky can still indulge in=20 the selection of arcade games lining the entrance to SFHH. And if that's not enough, the price of one general admission (or=20 season's pass) also gains you entrance into the SFA Amusement Park,=20 where the transformations originally began. Since it became a SF=20 theme park in 1999, a steady evolution has been in progress. Now,=20 with 8 roller coasters and a spectacular variety of rides and shows=20 for all ages, coupled with a completely made-over Water Park boasting=20 more than 100 water slides, it's no wonder this park draws more than=20 a million visitors each year. Come see for yourself. Come down to the islands, Mon! ----------- =A9 2005 The Capital, Annapolis, Md. From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Jul 26 17:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72676 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 00:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 00:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 00:44:24 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072700151701100knof3e>; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:15:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=LkbVgEyaf2qvAIBrHICk_loBCnrNGz0LYLc9KYaciEfE7TeAOzI X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree that Hydra fails to impress, it's too small/short and aside from the bizarre start has no real stand-out/memorable moments. Dominator is a much better ride and the only floorless I really like (yes, much more than Medusa). I'll take a B&M inverted over a floorless any day, hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: rablat5@juno.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge Actually, I was not much impressed. Probably let down. I didn't like the JoJo roll, and the ride just didn't have a lot of intensity. Give me Talon any day over Hydra. It is, however, much better than the coaster it replaced, but that wasn't that hard to beat. I do, however, like Dominator at Geauga Lake. -Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 17:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17738 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133FE9A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:51 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=gZ57wCOMydF2U9lK2ok6v01uV3JZxD48XQVEwlmbRsZAG9F2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Mark, > hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the 2006 or 2007 season.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 18:14:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80900 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so157397wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.11 with SMTP id 11mr284287wrq; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:13:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=Sg49br3wzKM9HXM84IQxZOxVb1A4cXkfTbRFU-03GxnWvEUZ2QQ4rgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the=20=20 > 2006 or 2007 season.. Put your money on a Proslide Tornado for 2006. :-) -Nate From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 18:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55687 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 37870 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2005 01:23:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.96.109.26] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:36 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=4E-bVjOFcSea6W4GKiXVqdZC4Y3hagn9sUc54QqBQjVu6ng X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I was on it today (waterpark jammed, hard ride park dead). I rode once in the back and once in the front. Here is my quick breakdown: JoJo Roll: Novel for the first ride, not that great afterwards. The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. The first drop is decent and goes into a nice turn around. After that it is through a great heartline, another inversion and through a funky cobra roll. The ride then bunny hops up, dives through an inversion, turns around, and dives through another inversion before hitting the brakes. Overall the ride is good and popular with the GP. Worth however many million they paid for it...I don't know about that. But it will definiley be around longer than Herc. One interesting thing is that it picks up a noticeable vibration about half-way through the cobra roll and holds it through the end of the ride. My guess is that it is track fab. issue, but I'm not sure. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Jul 26 18:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6752 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072701133201100kguibe>; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:13:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=H5DEq8lkJxrWyYlJIFvZ_o9999d1y-GecMdRVIHY6lxExL-OaoY X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the > 2006 or 2007 season.. > > Cameron. You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). A park like HW adds their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. Much prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. Mark From filipm2@rpi.edu Tue Jul 26 20:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99829 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com (smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com [205.188.118.99]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-542e703fd198; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:13 -0500 Received: from [172.141.16.100] (AC8D1064.ipt.aol.com [172.141.16.100]) by smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R3m4Ro011185 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85BE2442-3ED8-471D-9226-E31AA0402CFF@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:51:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.99 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=Ynw5Sgn2XhVxfkZsiDNBVXhOePtz9kGgSUpDoucKtVueW0x0Rj6j X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the >> 2006 or 2007 season.. >> >> Cameron. >> > > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). A park like HW adds > their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. Much > prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Holiday World is adding a third wood coaster, sure... but its a really big wood coaster, and thats how theyre marketing it... in the end, regardless of how many of the same type of coasters there are, both coasters are just gimmicks to boost attendance. And its not like The Voyage is mind blowingly original... it seems like in the beginning when they were planning it they said to the Gravity Group, OK, design a cross between The Beast and Shivering Timbers. Anyone can design hops and a turnaround. If Holiday World had the same land as SFGAm (not as many trees and hills), there wouldn't be any theming except a little wood sign outside the station with the logo of the ride on it, just like SF. If you're that much more likely to visit Holiday World, its probably becasue of the atmosphere there, and friendlier employees... not because of the amount of thought they put into their new rides, because both parks don't seem to do much of that. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 20:55:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18392 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C391E9A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ZiAVGChTjGlDcGZOhThW0wLbF1MVz_NYRuddOCG_1HSJRmJU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a > speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. All B&Ms do this .. right back to Iron Wolf! It's awesome.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 20:57:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13379 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3209A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FfC5n-u3n4ktbIEtwS15DwOMSLmp9d8_2-xdl6BYuz0MdCsZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nate, >> I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the >> 2006 or 2007 season.. > > Put your money on a Proslide Tornado for 2006. :-) Yeah .. but who cares about silly water-parks?! :-) [I should point out that while I'm not huge fan of water-parks, I do think it's been a terrific addition to the park...] Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're nothing but a fish, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you fish!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:01:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28088 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.198) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so147376wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.58 with SMTP id 58mr305919wrs; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:00:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=XRBnKQj8xMi8WudpW4P72y3aqgHcsssJ2zrTzL0I4U_6Q7UrqmXqE5w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a=20=20 > > speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. >=20 > All B&Ms do this .. right back to Iron Wolf! It's awesome.. Are you sure? I think all B&M coasters control the speed of the train before it enters the lift. For instance, Iron Wolf has, I believe, a set of brakes and kicker tires that feed the train into the lift at the correct speed. Hydra seems to work the other way (changing the speed of the lift to match the train). Of course, I could be completely wrong on this. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:05:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9541 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC169A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:05:38 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:05:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=EBcBkkOoNts6f7f2YBo7mHTgpQPg9TlOtdn0b3onj3VwlOak X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon On Jul 26, 2005, at 20:13, Mark Oldfield wrote: > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). Well, that's true when the rides are good .. and I think that Six Flags Great America has a pretty good collection. > A park like HW adds their third coaster and I'll be ten times more > likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter Do we know that it's cookie cutter? Besides, cookie cutter isn't a problem if the cookie is good! And aside from Superman, I feel that all of the clones at Six Flags Great America (all two of them) are great. Holiday World is probably one of my favorite parks (along with Kennywood and Dollywood), but it's just so freaking out of the way that I can't see going there any more often than once every two or three years. Besides, I think it's unrealistic to compare any corporate park with a small family owned one. > Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and > SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. Elaborate, please.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:08:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1989 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:07:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900989A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:07:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GQF8WsCGpbvDLvwJAnCszWVARJEExsjfXsRRznfqtVimB4s_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, > Are you sure? I think all B&M coasters control the speed of the train > before it enters the lift. For instance, Iron Wolf has, I believe, a > set of brakes and kicker tires that feed the train into the lift at > the correct speed. Hydra seems to work the other way (changing the > speed of the lift to match the train). Oh, that could be the case. My original point was that B&M coasters usually have some method of matching the speed of the train with that of the lift. (And as an engineering geek, I've always found this pretty fascinating..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Start wearing purple * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** for me now... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:09:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77195 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:09:23 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so176538wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.11 with SMTP id 11mr309321wrq; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:08:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=3Zw3gDx3oC4DtI5V85nbOxbELWsRyZBTlP4hTvIILzQj_OisRzJCY7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and = =20 > > SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. >=20 > Elaborate, please.. SFGAdv: Intamin composite wooden coaster SFoG: Hypercoaster (?) Those are the rumors, anyway. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:26:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44741 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E299A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2304AB0A-B5B3-4EDF-B40D-C2FB1D9E951F@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YVFTnpFLjOMGbWmjNNGtQRTGcG5C1rkdiy6VHdKfl_yVr3Kh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, On Jul 26, 2005, at 23:08, Nate K. wrote: >>> Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and >>> SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. >>> >> >> Elaborate, please.. >> > > SFGAdv: Intamin composite wooden coaster > SFoG: Hypercoaster (?) > > Those are the rumors, anyway. Oh yeah .. Six Flags Great America won't be getting either of those. (Not that I know anything .. but I'd be very surprised..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 09:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34659 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:55:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Gettysburg Woman's Death At Amusement Park Ruled Accidental X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KL4Ro0G1ZAgd-BNDV6BECYAV5YMoTXCGvkEhE4FZnSic5Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There is no By-line to this article, and no reference as to the=20 original story. Take it for what it's worth. -Alan ------------------------ July 27, 2005 WGAL Channel 8 Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/wgal/20050727/lo_wgal/2848153 The death of a Gettysburg woman this month on a ride at a Six Flags=20 Amusement Park has been ruled accidental. =20=20 The medical examiner said Maria Salazar died of cardiac arrhythmia. An autopsy showed obesity and a fatty liver also contributed to=20 Salazar's death. ------------- =A9 2005 TheWGALChannel.com =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 10:58:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44556 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:58:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Horses Seized From West O.C. Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Cgb5IyqhSwdCcchVB_O-iqQZalEklMYrtsB8VCHOLjXvPKo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 27, 2005 WBOC Channel 16 http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D3642594 by Elizabeth Harrington WEST OCEAN CITY, MD -- The police on Tuesday seized several horses=20 from a local amusement park after receiving reports of abuse.=20 Officers with the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation seized the=20 3 horses from the premises of Frontier Town in West Ocean City.=20 Capt. Stuart Murray of the Worcester County Sheriff's Office said the=20 police have received many complaints from park visitors & employees=20 about abuse of the animals and "indicating that some of them have=20 open sores on them, indicating that they're showing signs of=20 dehydration." The police brought in a veterinarian to check out the 3 horses.=20 Afterward they were removed and taken to a horse rescue farm for=20 medical treatment. The police say 1 horse was close to heat stroke.=20 But they say it was too late for a 4th horse who died last=20 Friday. "We were advised by the employees here that they were told it=20 was a massive heart attack however that horse also had signs of=20 dehydration and malnourishment," Murray said. One Frontier Town visitor said the horses look sick. "The rider was=20 really pushing them like whipping them to make them go," said Bob=20 Carnahan. "The horses looked really tired and exhausted, just run=20 down." Managers at Frontier Town refused to comment on the investigation. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2005, WorldNow and WBOC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6861 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:06:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Legislature votes to offer incentives for tourist attractions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5RGntWjTuKUEjPswXt44UtYXnjd99A321cTLFk0CovN-Q8U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 26. 2005 The Associated Press Tuscaloosa News http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050726/APN/507261186 Tuscaloosa, Alabama -- The Alabama Legislature approved a bill=20 Tuesday that supporters hope will help the state lure a major=20 amusement park or similar attraction to the state. The House gave final approval on a 82-11 vote to a bill to allow the=20 state to offer tax breaks and incentives to people who want to build=20 tourist attractions, similar to what has been offered to lure major=20 industries like Honda and Mercedes into the state. The bill was approved on the final day of a special session. The measure had been pushed for several years by Rep. Sue Schmitz, D- Toney. The bill passed the House in the regular session but failed in=20 the Senate. "I think this will have a tremendous impact on Alabama=20 tourism," Schmitz said. "We want to become a destination state rather=20 than a pass-through state." Schmitz said the incentives would only be available for major=20 attractions. "This would create jobs," Schmitz said. ----------------- =A9 2002 The Tuscaloosa News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:16:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73779 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:16:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Man fondled teens at water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9u17OX4qNGoSI2XFnAlyVjfXApCNDupjR_VOkuT77xh1KiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 27, 2005 Seacoastonline.com http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/07272005/news/54724.htm By Elizabeth Dinan PORTSMOUTH, NH -- A 19-y.o. Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday on=20 2 charges of sexual assault for incidents alleged to have occurred at=20 Water Country. Christopher Andino, 19, was arrested by Portsmouth police at 3:40=20 p.m. on July 24 following reports from 2 teenage girls who said they=20 were sexually assaulted. According to Portsmouth Police Lt. Earl Case, Officer Tim Cashman was=20 working a police detail at WC when he was informed by the water=20 park's manager that the girls had reported the assaults to him. Case said the girls reported they were swimming in the amusement=20 park's wave pool when Andino pulled them toward him, grabbed them by=20 the waist and pulled 1 or both of them against his body. He's also=20 alleged to have put his hand beneath one of the teen's bikini tops. Case said Andino was not known to the teenagers. "It was just=20 somebody else in that sea of people," he said. According to the police spokesman, based on a description by the teen=20 girls, Officer Cashman located Andino in the water park near=20 the "tube shack" surrounded by park employees and placed him under=20 arrest. Case said he was arrested without incident. Andino was released on personal recognizance bail and is scheduled to=20 be arraigned in Portsmouth District Court on Aug. 22. ---------- =A9 2005 Seacoast Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:24:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8439 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:23:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:23:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:23:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Carowinds' WinterFest will offer lights, ice rink, snow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-nrO-h4TUsjhHByrMRytvaM2TVwtLoCtr007ufIqNc2suM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jul. 25, 2005 The Charlotte Observer http://www.centredaily.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/12215254.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dcharlotte_entertainment by JEFF ELDER Charlotte, NC -- On these midsummer days, when the sun glares down=20 and your shirt feels like it was tarred to your back, you might find=20 yourself wishing for a little bit of wintertime. Boys and girls, here it is. Paramount's Carowinds is announcing WinterFest, a new multimillion- dollar attraction, at a news conference this morning at the park. The winter festival, which the park bills as "the largest=20 Christmastime event in the Carolinas," premieres Nov. 25 and will=20 last for 23 nights. Features include: =95 More than a million twinkling lights. =95 The park's 320' Carolina Skytower transformed into what the park=20 bills as one of the tallest Christmas trees in the world. It will be=20 visible for miles. =95 A decorated 65' fir tree hollowed out so people can stroll through=20 the middle. =95 Live musical performances portraying Santa's workshop. =95 A parade of floats depicting classic Christmas scenes. =95 An outdoor ice rink of about 2,500 sq-ft, with rental skates and=20 cocoa served nearby. =95 Turkey and ham dinners. =95 Snow (made by a machine) falling from the sky. =95 And, of course, Santa. The park assures parents St. Nick will be=20 there to hear everyone's holiday wishes. Scott Rutherford, a staff writer for Amusement Today, an industry=20 magazine based in Arlington, TX, says WinterFest is a big deal. "I=20 think this thing will be huge," says Rutherford, who lives in=20 Charlotte and is author of the book "The American Roller Coaster." "Other than the local malls and the McAdenville lights, there's not a=20 whole lot to do outdoors on chilly evenings between Thanksgiving and=20 Christmas." The Gaston County mill town of McAdenville, with as many as 400,000=20 lights strung along its streets, has been the area's biggest light=20 display, drawing an estimated 600,000 people last year. Rutherford pointed out that Dollywood, the bodacious theme park in=20 Tennessee, has enjoyed great success with a winter festival. And Scarowinds, the Halloween festival at Carowinds, has drawn=20 increased visitors each year since it opened in 2000. (The park says=20 it has nearly doubled the 1st year's attendance.) Rutherford guessed WinterFest will draw families, grandparents and=20 grandkids, young couples who haven't yet settled into holiday=20 traditions, and groups just looking to enjoy a holiday season out. The park says WinterFest celebrates the holidays and wintertime, but=20 not specifically Christianity in any religious way. There will be=20 small displays honoring Kwanzaa and the religious aspects of=20 Christmas and Hanukkah. Why announce WinterFest now? Check your calendar: It's exactly 5=20 months until Christmas. (Carowinds also hoped the early announcement=20 would encourage people to make it part of their holiday plans.) In addition to WinterFest, some children's rides and attractions will=20 be open each night. Carowinds held a WinterFest once before, in 1983. But the park says=20 this will be on a much larger scale. The Skytower was decorated as a=20 Christmas tree from 1983 until 2002, when the Borg roller coaster=20 changed the park's layout. Now the Skytower will be decorated in a=20 much grander way, the park says. We now return you to your regularly scheduled scorching summer day. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jul 27 12:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18585 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.1d7.41500911 (18555) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d7.41500911.30193c39@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:36:25 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Kings Island Winterfest-The Magic Returns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The region's most anticipated event returns to the Cincinnati area on Friday, November 25th. Winterfest, the holiday event that took the area by storm for 10 years from 1982-1992 will return bigger and more spectacular than ever! Winterfest 2005 promises to bring the holiday season the quality and splender of Christmas in New York's Rockefeller Center. This will not be the Winterfest of yester year, but will create a new unforgettable family experience never before seen in this region. Several NEW attractions have been planned for this year's event, including: Nightly Lighting of International Street- In the past, the Tower was lit once and stayed lit throughout the entire season. This year, each night a family will be selected to light the 314 ft Tree on The Eiffel Tower, which will begin the nightly activities. White Christmas Express-The train returns transformed into a 1940s era ride with a cast of characters portraying Home For The Holidays scenes throughout your ride, where you will end at a quaint snow covered village. Holiday Illuminations, On Swan Lake in Rivertown-You will be mesmerized each night by innovative immersive light show effects reflecting off the waters of Swan Lake. Lights will dance and pulsate on larger than life Christmas trees to high energy old and new favorite Christmas tunes. Bubba Gumps Yuletide Feast-The Bubba Gump Shrimp Shack will be transformed into a yuletide jam on the screened in backporch of Bubba Gumps serving up, shrimp, shrimp and more shrimp! Santas Christmastown in Nickelodean Central-Reminiscent of a Christmas Department Store of days gone be, kids and parents can visit Santa Claus. Nickelodeon Holiday Tree Lot, in the Paramount Story on International Street-Meet your favorite Nick characters in this Christmas Tree lot, where you can pose for photos with your favorite Nick Characters, and where it will magically snow everyday! Christmas Parade-Each night Santa becomes the Grand Marshall of a spirited holiday parade of yesterday's hometown holiday celebrations. Old favorites will also be returning such as ice skating on the Royal Fountain, International Street being transformed into millions of twinkling lights, The Grand Carousel decked out for the holidays as well as the Hanna Barbera Carousel. Scooby's Haunted Castle will also be open. Also, The Festhaus will once again be transformed into an old world Christmas favorite with holiday foods and performances by carolers from around the world. The old Scrooge will also bring his own form of cheer back to Winterfest. Toy Factory-an old favorite classic show of a peek into Santas Workshop also returns to the Paramount Theatre. Admission to Winterfest will be somewhat different than years past. Season passes will not be honored at Winterfest, but will allow you a $1 off admission. You will need to make reservations in advance to attend Winterfest. Tickets in advance will be $17.99 and are on sale now. Tickets at the gate are $24.99. They are only going to sell a limited number of tickets to Winterfest each day, and they are not guranateeing you will be able to get in if you do not purchase in advance. Parking will be $5. Winterfest will only be open on weekends November 25-December 11. Daily operations of Winterfest begin on December 16th. Hours will be 4-10, except on Sundays, 4-9. The park will be closed on Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day. The Magic Returns, November 25th, 2005! _http://www.pki.com/winterfest/index.cfm_ (http://www.pki.com/winterfest/index.cfm) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 04:18:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60432 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:18:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.65 From: "Chris" Subject: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Hxu3h8GIVYdhuGsECe_cX2DWXCXfDANw8KjNxSWnKGEDbQgo2w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. Let me know what you think. Chris B I'm going to Nagashima Spa Land, Suzuka Circuit and PokePark if there is time on Staurday, anybody want to join? From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 28 08:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25639 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2005 11:01:42 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,150,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="64315471:sNHT7637253516" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6SF1bkU011182 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:39 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E7172E9-CB5C-4F24-92C3-1B68BC7E8D7E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2005 15:01:39.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[41D3F330:01C59385] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=bY5IHjgY-sxpOS4booUIdyPpl25cu5MPTBYaSP4zNiw1NLvt X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, That's great, thanks! Cameron. On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Chris wrote: > I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is > totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. > > Let me know what you think. > > Chris B > > I'm going to Nagashima Spa Land, Suzuka Circuit and PokePark if there > is time on Staurday, anybody want to join? > > > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jul 28 08:28:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3472 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:27:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.132.241.69 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=152UkJF0vGrojTJith9Mtx8RESA4Uw6exV0rVtJ07lt6OGoTDw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Let me know what you think. Yeah, that could work! It'd allow ride designers to really expand the envelope. By reducing the chance of riders falling out, they could design even more intense rides with greater forces, more hang time, wilder inversions...and we could finally get rid of those pesky "Do Not Stand Up" signs that are cluttering our skylines. Jon "please remain seated until your ride comes to a complete stop" Z The First From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:47:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9868 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:47:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:46:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:46:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WsJTkWCHNrZjQCFalKdNkjCDuMuY3PQfCEij6niyBLUsNUI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Boy! That really hits it on the head... or... uhh... well, you know what I mean ;p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is > totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. > > Let me know what you think. > > Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:52:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96855 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:52:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nS97M_9toiOBcTl3V8OOR6zmQtBxvbWL9jwpYw2k9s-gjN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 "Permanecer sentada ,por favor" -Alan - Who's "Disney" is showing --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > Jon "please remain seated until your ride comes to a complete stop" Z > The First From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:59:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22684 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 947 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Smoke ban at Bay Beach goes before Green Bay council X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rYfgvazg7-VW_rXFLxID3TlNQqrIgQaNgA2Up2mnGMSSWhs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Green Bay Press-Gazette http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_21955922.shtml by Andy Behrendt Green Bay, WI -- A recommendation to ban smoking at Bay Beach=20 Amusement Park will go before the City Council on Tuesday. The city's Park Committee last week unanimously endorsed a proposal=20 from Alderman Earl Van Den Heuvel to create the ban in order to cut=20 down on litter. City parks director Bill Landvatter said the ban would apply to the=20 park's ride area, joining the pavilion, where smoking is already=20 prohibited, whereas picnic areas would still allow it. He cited=20 concerns with enforcement and referred to the proposed ban as an=20 educational and preventive program. The city would install no-smoking=20 signs in the area and move receptacles for cigarette butts elsewhere. The City Council meets at 7 p.m. Tuesday in Room 203 of City Hall,=20 100 N. Jefferson St. ---------- =A9 2004 Gannett Wisconsin Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:06:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98808 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:06:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Florida Christian theme park wins lawsuit over tax exemption X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7nh3Wf2cL5Gv7JcN6xcWUBvgp3h0QuRImhMFDLJO5do1bCE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Associated Press South Bend Tribune http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/07/28/faith.20050728-sbt- MICH-D2-Florida_Christian_th.sto ORLANDO, Fla. -- A circuit court judge has ruled in favor of full tax=20 exemption for the Holy Land Experience, a Christian theme park. The park was developed by a non-profit ministry called Zion's Hope.=20 It was granted only limited exemptions for administrative and=20 education facilities. The Orange County Property Appraiser's office=20 denied the group's broader exemption request in 2001, arguing the=20 park was a tourist attraction, not a church. Now, Judge Cynthia MacKinnon has ordered full exemption, saying=20 Zion's Hope "is using the property to spread what it considers to be=20 God's word to many people at one time," whereas the purpose of, say,=20 Disney World "is indisputably to make money." ---------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:13:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75504 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:13:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Water_park=92s_music_put_on_trial?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xzan_fmcUnOpl6FSqMzvVrz52rMgaj1BDM3zEo13bGRqzX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Post-Tribune http://www.post-trib.com/cgi-bin/pto-story/news/z1/07-28- 05_z1_news_18.html By Jim Stinson Porter, IN =97- Splash Down Dunes can have another Sunday with music,=20 but after that, it's up to a judge. The water park in the town of Porter is facing a lawsuit by Burnell=20 Avenue residents that went before Porter Superior Court Judge Bill=20 Alexa on Wednesday. At issue is if Alexa can intervene, and apply town or state statutes=20 that regulate noise and nuisances, respectively. Gordon Etzler, attorney for the water park, argued the Porter town=20 ordinance applied only to industrial districts. The park is not in an=20 industrial zone. But Kevin Marshall, representing the homeowners, said residents were=20 seeking relief from both a public and private nuisance caused by the=20 park's Sunday music, which is played from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Alexa has to decide after the next7 days of findings of fact if he=20 should issue a temporary restraining order and a preliminary=20 permanent injunction. That would take the music out of the park. Testifying first was homeowner Jerrold Trezzo, who spoke of the=20 park's sounds ruining his Sundays off work. The park is open May-September, but hosts a music DJ for 7 Sundays=20 from June-August. "The sound actually penetrates my house," said=20 Trezzo. "We hear kind of a bass noise. There's no escape from this=20 noise." Making matters worse are the public announcements, said homeowner=20 Cary Alison.=20 After the 2 home owners testified, Etzler moved for dismissal. Alexa=20 declined. Then the DJ testified, and admitted he has been dialing down the=20 volume. "I'll freely admit, 5 years ago, it was pretty loud," said=20 Rob Surber of Rolling Sounds DJ Service. After adjournment, owner Deb Childress and Surber said the musical=20 theme for the water park does draw customers, sometimes from as far=20 as Chicago and South Bend. Alexa said he will issue his order after making a determination based=20 upon findings from both attorneys. ----------- =A9 2004 Digital Chicago, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:22:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1049 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:22:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Dozens of Disney strays put down before park opens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IStKGPBiLb3iUs6aMcq2av0SRk40Qg6pGiyl-mnfvUSzbA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 25, 2005 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/nm/20050725/od_uk_nm/oukoe_hongkong_disney_dogs_1 HONG KONG, China -- Dozens of stray dogs roaming around the new Walt=20 Disney theme park in Hong Kong have been rounded up and put down as=20 the company prepares to open the park in Sept, a newspaper said on=20 Monday. =20=20 The South China Morning Post reported that the dogs had been cared=20 for by construction workers but were abandoned after the park was=20 built. A spokeswoman for Walt Disney Co. said they had asked the government=20 to round up the strays because they were roaming around in packs and=20 felt they posed a safety risk. "It was felt that they posed a safety=20 risk to our staff and construction workers," she said. "What the=20 government is doing is in line with its policies." Disney, which produced hit cartoons films such as "101 Dalmatians"=20 and "Lady and the Tramp", and memorable characters such as Goofy and=20 Pluto, said it did not know how many had been put down, although the=20 Post said the figure was around 40. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98824 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:38:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 6960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Abe as a theme park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=afexYqqm5Y7aynCoXAq_VZqcanmgu9jwkhGH9rxhcHKKhY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I must admit, this may or may-not be Off-Topic, but I'll let you=20 decide. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ July 24, 2005 South Bend Tribune The Washington Post http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/07/24/living.20050724- sbt-MICH-F3-Abe_as_a_theme.sto By GARY LEE Springfield, Il -- The new Abraham Lincoln Museum in Springfield,=20 Ill., allows visitors a fleeting moment of frivolity. Just inside the=20 marble lobby, families can pose with re-enactors of Abe - scruffy=20 beard, black top hat & all - and his wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, in long=20 gown and bonnet. Then the Disney Moment is over. What follows at the $90.1 million complex is an emotional total=20 immersion, augmented by a mix of jolting images and high-tech=20 presentations, into the world of one of the most complex figures in=20 American history. Some displays are wrenching, such as the lifelike statues of a slave=20 family being auctioned on a block. By the account of historians, such=20 a scene was probably glimpsed by 19-y.o. Lincoln during a Mississippi=20 riverboat trip down South. The wife is being sold one way and the=20 husband another, while a little boy tugs on his mother's skirt. The=20 point, a guide explained, is to dramatize the psychological horrors=20 of slavery, an issue that would hang heavy over Lincoln for life. Other exhibits - such as the replica of Lincoln's law office,=20 depicting the young father in stockinged feet with his head buried in=20 a newspaper, oblivious to his2 young sons wreaking havoc nearby -=20 give a rare human dimension to an often exalted figure. Taken together, the re-created historical episodes, multimedia shows=20 and memorabilia spread throughout the 100,000-sq-ft complex offer an=20 intriguing close-up look at the man who taught himself to read,=20 became the 16th US president, led the nation through 4 years of=20 bloody war, emancipated slaves and saved the Union. It has been more than 2 months since the museum opened in the small,=20 slow-paced Illinois capital where Lincoln worked as a lawyer &=20 provincial politician, and the steady flow of schoolkids, retirees=20 and other visitors streaming through testifies to its popularity. The=20 place easily holds enough material to keep a casual traveler's=20 attention for the better part of a day. And if it whets your=20 interest, side excursions to other Lincoln heritage sights in and=20 around the city - Lincoln's home, his old law office, the Old State=20 Capitol building where he served as legislator, and his tomb in=20 nearby Oak Ridge Cemetery - are easily available. Signposts=20 throughout the museum refer to other locales on the Lincoln trail. In some ways, the museum, coupled with the more austere Lincoln=20 Presidential Library across the street, is like an indoor theme park.=20 In the 15-minute film "Ghosts of the Library," best seen at the start=20 of a visit, a holographic man appears and raves about the fascinating=20 people and information that emerge when you start digging around=20 historical archives. In the end, after acknowledging that he was a=20 soldier in the decisive 1863 Civil War Battle of Vicksburg, he fades=20 away like a figure in a dream. "Lincoln's Eyes," a 17-minute special-effects presentation, makes for=20 good viewing after the film. In it, smoke rings billow through the=20 audience and seats shake to dramatize the onset of the Civil War. Following the2 shows, visitors should be ready to take in the=20 museum's 2 major galleries. The 1st, concentrating on Lincoln's early=20 years, features life-size images of him, Mary and key figures in=20 their lives. There's the adolescent Abe, reading by the light of an=20 open fire; the lanky young man sitting nervously in a parlor next to=20 Mary; the pensive lawyer standing beside Stephen Douglas during the=20 stormy debates of their 1858 senatorial battle. The 2nd major gallery features highlights from the lives of Lincoln &=20 Mary after his election to the presidency. Visitors are ushered into=20 a mock Blue Room of the White House, where Mary is being fitted with=20 a ball gown. Later they pass a scene of an 1862 Cabinet meeting,=20 where the topic is the legal implications of freeing slaves.=20 Eventually, they pass through a solemn room with a flower-covered=20 casket where the assassinated Lincoln lies in state. Although there=20 are no guided tours, docents are available to offer explanations. History buffs drawn to artifacts, original documents or detailed=20 explanations of events may be disappointed. In the Treasures Gallery,=20 only a few historical relics are shown. Among them: Lincoln's=20 original handwritten Gettysburg Address, a signed copy of the=20 Declaration of Independence, Mary's music box and some of the=20 Lincolns' dishes and other household effects. Although the State of=20 Illinois owns thousands of such pieces, a relative handful are=20 showcased here. The video-era museum-goer, however, is well served by the displays.=20 In one, "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert appears in a mock=20 simultaneous broadcast on 3 TV screens commentating on the=20 contemporary advertisements of the 4 candidates who faced off in the=20 1860 presidential race, which Lincoln ultimately won. In modern=20 journalistic parlance, Russert captures the essence of the election=20 and handicaps the candidates. This is "the most dangerously regional=20 and divisive election in America's history," he concludes. "What a=20 mess!" Some purists may be put off by the contemporary method of=20 recounting a race that occurred long before the age of TV. But Richard Norton Smith, the library's executive director, batted=20 back criticisms that the presentations are too Hollywood and schlocky=20 for such serious subject matter. "There is an awful lot of=20 information about a complicated election presented in that display,"=20 he said in an interview. "And it's presented in a way that a TV-age=20 audience can grasp." The War Gallery is equally effective. On one wall, a map of the US is=20 projected, with the sites of the major battles of the war lighting up=20 every few seconds. A running tally of the casualties on both the=20 Union and the Confederate sides flashes on an "odometer of death" in=20 the right-hand corner. The theme of slavery emerges in most of the presentations, often in=20 unpredictable ways. In the Union Theater's "Lincoln's Eyes,"=20 abolitionists are depicted criticizing Lincoln's stance on slavery as=20 a political gesture that overlooked the practice in states such as=20 Kentucky that were friendly to the Union. In another display, black=20 contemporaries of Lincoln offer different views on how they might=20 fare after emancipation. In the Whispering Gallery, an eerie corridor, the walls are covered=20 with caricatures of Lincoln as a monkey, Satan or worse, all taken=20 from newspapers soon after his 1860 election. Personal slurs about=20 him, centering on his favoritism of "Negroes," are everywhere. That=20 honest public portrayal alone makes the Abraham Lincoln Museum worth=20 the trip. ---------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 14:55:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56071 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DyGLk-0000fn-0R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:55:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662ff6f7536aaeb68b3fa4a5d5a3fe0de942350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=vvRpTbpk3OK2ofOCsAKfk2EMF5qF3zm9yGSVS-aAyRSRjJg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash zucker0615 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" > wrote: > > Let me know what you think. > Yeah, that could work! It'd allow ride designers to really expand > the envelope. By reducing the chance of riders falling out, they could > design even more intense rides with greater forces, more hang time, > wilder inversions...and we could finally get rid of those pesky "Do Not > Stand Up" signs that are cluttering our skylines. I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that was hinted at there to! Good stuff. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 28 14:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39149 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 63so415431wri for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.58 with SMTP id 58mr706629wrs; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:59:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=JpW3MTlJkAMzteGbh8MArxzeeyHqgriIE59N95WHJ8V6DJf7GtabAbA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that= =20 > was hinted at there to! Good stuff. I think it still looks far more comfortable than Zamperla OTSR's. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 16:24:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28183 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 27319 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.169.96.252] by web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:16 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1122473252.686.61057.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: brian farral Subject: Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Bv4eU0B7g6IK5XgpAvSQP1EwLzFHRe-PTx7eonq4aT7hQTQ7dBic X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Hey everyone, Janice and I are thinking of going to the Jersey shore on the last Saturday in August. We'll be basing our trip out of White Plains, NY. Is it possible to hit all the boardwalks with adult sized coasters (skipping the ones with only kiddies) all in one day? What if we got a hotel near Wildwood Friday night and drove up the shore all day Saturday? I'm just wondering because I had this great idea, and I'm not really sure when we'd ever get another opportunity to do the J.S. Can it be done, or should we just look into something else? Would SFNE have short enough waits for S:ROS to justify going there? I've heard nothing but horror stories about that ride in the past 2 years. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 28 17:42:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53338 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200507281744.AA12910652@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Schmecking it out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=kUTRQN3jF908LkXgj-o7R6A9Wpwjpibfz8SJ3ig2Hdy_8oBBZnpR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't >been on this coaster. < I'm way behind on CoasterTalk, so this may have already been answered. If not, I'll warn those who want to be surprised not to continue reading.... The Comet has a 96-foot-high lift, and it looks like any other. The chain is engaged smoothly and you're pulled up with the familiar clacking sound. But about 3/4 up the hill, something odd happens: the lift begins rapidly picking up speed. It's quite noticeable and always catches first-time riders off-guard. It's as if the lift is yanking you down the first drop. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 01:13:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1141 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:13:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=umNvjvyTZrLDDwyTonw8pgeWyya_UmQ-kA-zU0pkFJBWeoJ3Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate K." wrote: > > I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that > > was hinted at there to! Good stuff. > > I think it still looks far more comfortable than Zamperla OTSR's. > > -Nate And I was worried noone would find it as funny as I did! I was also worried George would scold me for posting a copyrighted picture! (Not for profit though.) Chris B From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 06:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54893 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:43:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Thanks for Hydra comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=_RV2eFcAek3YPHZd94rr7jcR6Fp_wCn_l160r79b1N4luI9EL6RA8N8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just wanted to say thanks for all the comments on Hydra. I guess I'm glad to have Dominator fairly close to me because it sounds like that is one of the better ones. I know I really enjoy it. Not quite as good as an inverted but I think it's a cool concept. Hopefully I'll get to ride X-Flight this summer. I've never been on a flying and that looks like a cool concept so hopefully it's up and running when I go. I've got a feeling Dominator will still be my favorite at Geauga Lake!!! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 06:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58309 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 13:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 13:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.153) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 13:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 53072 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 13:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050729135235.53070.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:52:35 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=oQteHSauCA9yRxrbtEwicvrOwAywqjqHpS7u7vjWiW_8zOI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy What are you looking to hit? Wildwood, Ocean City, Seaside, Atlantic City and Keansburg? That is a hell of a lot, especially considering how terrible shore traffic can be. If I had to choose, I would do a full day at Wildwood and a day at Ocean City. Wildwood is the Cedar Point of the shore (lots to do) and OC is the Knoebels (old school shore parks, especially Gillians). Wildwood has a great beach, good food (the Hot Spot was a fav. of mine) and some cool jersey shore spots like Flippers Fascination. OC is more family-oriented, laid back and a great place to walk the boardwalk. Can you do it? If you really wanted to, yes. But, your ratio of time on the road to doing something enjoyable will be pretty shitty. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 29 17:00:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7046 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.147.4a5dd017 (15876) for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442eac30b370; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:00:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:59:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42EAC2F2.40203@aol.com> References: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=yQLTtLcXjmpxyyB22ysnxwBlN_GIOJEomBfXGxXgYbtyrsbVhw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo brian farral wrote on 7/28/2005, 7:24 PM: > Hey everyone, > > Janice and I are thinking of going to the Jersey > shore on the last Saturday in August. We'll be basing > our trip out of White Plains, NY. > > Is it possible to hit all the boardwalks with adult > sized coasters (skipping the ones with only kiddies) > all in one day? > > What if we got a hotel near Wildwood Friday night and > drove up the shore all day Saturday? > > I'm just wondering because I had this great idea, and > I'm not really sure when we'd ever get another > opportunity to do the J.S. Can it be done, or should > we just look into something else? > > Would SFNE have short enough waits for S:ROS to > justify going there? I've heard nothing but horror > stories about that ride in the past 2 years. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. Yes, it is. Just start first thing in Wildwood, then head north from there, hitting Ocean City and it's two small parks, Atlantic City and the Steel Pier, Casino Pier at Seaside Heights, and finally Keensburg. It is a long day, but very doable. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Jul 30 10:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87484 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 17:14:25 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (242669hfc88.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.69.88]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j6UHEKb6022594 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c5952a$26876660$58451a18@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:14:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=g0JW_bm35ggyeaY0CF9iIzV1dkUGjEols9WF_C8vo8KX1jPtxpXd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050730001309990009&ncid=NWS00010000000001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 18:44:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91526 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 01:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c5952a$26876660$58451a18@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=swoUJ4AHlUDE_IqQmtKP8yDJTMBzMSyp4Ao0c8mHvJFNunYieQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" wrote: > http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp? id=20050730001309990009&ncid=NWS00010000000001 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the reporting more "targeted" than usual? Chris B TR for Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and PokePark later today. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 21:23:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30397 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:23:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.235.228.34 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dmcdigZMB77zgllM50foD0vlw6T62sqrmY1uliR0_oRnX97RX4jt X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been > having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the > world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the > reporting more "targeted" than usual? Yeah! I've heard about a ton of Disney accidents lately. Are they really occurring at a greater rate, or is the press just trumpeting them more because of the Disney name? Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 02:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69403 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:57:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Ques: Where did I leave my brain? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=B1Je3_1VR71d6tAa8OeuThRinXKH4hVXn2NbBFLubC0-sIB3Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The reason I ask, is I was pretty certain I had written Trip Reports for all the European parks that I have been to. So, my real question is, if I didn't post them here, where the heck did I post them? This question is somewhat rhetorical, unless you actually remember reading my reports on Thorpe Park, Alton Towers, Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Parc Asterix, DLParis, WBMovie World Spain, USMediterranea, Heide Park, Holiday Park, Europa Park, Gardaland, Mirabilandia, Fiabilandia, or Zoosafari Fasanolandia. Shoot, nearly half of them were in one trip! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 05:51:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59266 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:51:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 13228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G5NcblbDAsnBVTPoBShC_7spnEKhBgmFD8X0sFOFhG5jw-zTZA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Date: 30 August, 2005 Parks: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 Weather: 90+, humid, and afternoon light rain Crowds: Moderate, to heavy (PokePark) I left Yokosuka at a little after 6 AM to catch my 7:30 Shinkansen to Nagoya. As usual, the trains were ultra-reliable. I also timed the actual length of a bullet train stop at a non-end-of-line stop at a mere 60 seconds! Wow, don't be late! I arrived at Nagoya Station at about 9:10, perfect timing to transfer to the Kansai line for my 9:30 train to Suzuka Circuit Inu in a new to me station. I arrived at Suzuka Circuit Inu about 50 minutes later, and sadly no bus or taxi was available, so I walked the 15 minutes to the park. This provided a dramatic view of the SLC, Ferris wheel and single power tower. I believe that this station may be only operated on event days, as there were no turnstiles or ticket machines, only human ticket sellers / takers. As I approached the park, the evidence that there was a race this day became more clear: The whine of high powered motorcycles filled the air this day, and although there were probably more people watching the race than in the park, this probably brought more people into the park than would have been there otherwise. Entrance and "free pass" was 4200 yen, and this seemed to include the grandstands as well, because I was allowed through every gate I came to. This proved a slight problem, apparently the reverse isn't true, as between the track and the rides temporary barriers were placed, causing some difficulty in negotiating the park. Apparently on non- event days, they offer go-kart racing on the actual race track and the access isn`t usually limited. On to the park itself: Blackout, a Vekoma SLC (my ninth), is still operating, although as painful as it was, I can't imagine for how long. I could hear the people in front and behind me saying "Itai, Itai, Itai" (Ouch, Ouch, Ouch) through the whole course. I was grimacing in pain myself, in spite of my defensive riding posture. The train was shaking and vibrating as if it was missing bolts and the rest were loose. After riding F2 at Nasu Highlands last month, I am starting to think that ride maintenance is a bigger contribution to the roughness of a steel coaster than I previously suspected. It's red track and gray supports look decent, although it could stand to be power washed. After Blackout, I crossed under the road to the main portion of the park to check out Rocky Coaster. This Senyo Kogyo creation has a double figure-eight layout and a single short tunnel. The trains are nearly identical to those found on Canadian Jet Rider at Tama Tech, the Tokyo area sister park to Suzuka Circuit. A resemblance to another Senyo Kogyo ride, Boogie Woogie Space Coaster at Space World, is the orientation of the train itself. The first four cars in the six-car train face forward. The last two face backwards. I rode backwards first, which was OK, but not being able to anticipate turns is usually more annoying than frightening, and this was the case here. Next, I rode facing forwards, and this provided a nice family sized ride including little pops of low-G air. The rest of Suzuka Circuit's rides were reminiscent of those found at Tama Tech as well, mostly consisting of various transportation style rides such as go-karts, mini-monorails, etc. Several of these were virtually identical to those found at Tama Tech, such as the snail monorail, the flying ship suspended monorail, and the mini-motorcycle rides. In the heat, I worked my way around the park, sampling some of the more interesting rides. During this time I hopped on the large (~70 meter) Ferris wheel. At no point did I see any trace of Mad Cobra, the Premier Rides launched coaster (Flight of Fear / Joker`s Jinx layout). Even with the knowledge of what rides in the park were new, I could not tell where it used to be. I guess this is a good thing, as visitors to 6FMM can attest to the oddness of leaving pieces of old rides in the background of newer rides. After walking back to the train station, I rode back towards Nagoya, debarking at Kuwana Station. An aside: Do you know the feeling you get when you round the last turn, or crest the last hill, or pop out of the woods, and you can finally see the biggest roller coaster at the park you are going to? Imagine this: Steel Dragon 2000 is so big you get your first glimpse of this monster from the train, almost ten minutes out of the station and a 30 minute bus ride away from the park. I lost sight of this behemoth more than a few times behind buildings and whatnot, but eventually, the bus crossed a bridge, and there it was, 97 meters high and dwarfing the 88 meter Ferris wheel and three tower power tower. The saddest part was knowing that this ride was still closed. During the final 15 minutes of the bus ride, I peered ahead, hoping that I would see a train cresting the giant lift hill, but I was disappointed. Steel Dragon 2000 is still closed. Alas, I would still be able to hit my milestone this day, but not on the coaster I had chosen. I got off the bus and bought my admission ticket and "free pass" for 4100 yen, not including the water park. After a long walk past the water park, you pass the souvenir shop and into the amusement park proper. Like I mentioned in my TR for Toshimaen, some Japanese parks have difficulty in coming up with original names for rides, and Nagashima Spa Land is one of these parks. Tea Cups, Merry go Round, Motocross, Red Baron, Balloon Race are all immediately after the gift shop. Keroyon Jump is a Frog Hopper, guess what a keroyon is. Next up are Kiddie ride and Kid's World, home to every coin op kiddie ride you can imagine. Water Ace is actually paddle boats, and this completes the ride list for the entrance plaza. First up, I rode the Children Coaster, a medium sized Tivoli, with ladybug train, identical to the one at Tobu Zoo. Lots of trees in the infield of this ride make it prettier than some, though. I passed Corkscrew and Ultratwister for now because I had a milestone to reach. I lined up for White Cyclone and asked one of the ride ops to snap a photo of me after I buckled in. I posted this pic in the group site under miscellaneous. I held up my sign again for the on ride photo, and surprisingly it turned out incredible! I'm looking straight at the camera, my sign is legible and it (the photo) looks really good! Well, except for me that is. I'm no Brad Pitt, but my wife seems to like me. A bunch of people asked me what my sign meant after the ride, and I explained that I had been on 400 different coasters around the world. The rest of the day, people were pointing at me and several more people asked me lots of questions about it. Anyway. White Cyclone is HUGE. At nearly 140 feet tall, it isn't particularly tall but that`s 6th place for woodies, and it comes in 8th for speed at 63.4 mph. However it's 5577 foot length puts it 3rd amongst wood coasters in length. But stats aside, these numbers alone aren't what make this a big coaster. Although there is some nice air to be experienced on this ride, White Cyclone is all about laterals. If side force is your thing, you need to book a flight out to Japan, because this puppy delivers. The three helixes total more than 1080 degrees of high speed turns and there are more turns that will throw you to the side in addition to the helixes. All of this turning around takes place in what is essentially a triple out and back with a single figure-8 in there somewhere. Head choppers and crossovers are everywhere, making this a fantastic ride worthy of the Cyclone moniker. Further adding to the size of this ride is the incredible amount of buttressing the whole ride has received. NSL must go through a LOT of white paint keeping this ride up. My front seat ride was fantastic! The park's 88 meter Ferris wheel was across from the station of White Cyclone, but I had coasters to hit! Next, I passed Telecombat and Rock'n'Roll to board Corkscrew. Yup, it was an Arrow Corkscrew. It hurt. I tried to ride Ultratwister next, but it wasn't running anymore due to a light rain and reports of lightning. Instead in a rare flat ride move for me, I boarded the park's brand new Giant Frisbee. I had never seen one of these in operation before, only under construction, but I have heard good things. Now faced with one, I was actually a little scared. (I actually don't like heights.) I gamely sat down and buckled in, keeping the OTSR TIGHT as it was locked into place. The floor dropped, and the rotation began. I was impressed at how strong the swinging is when it starts. Overall it was fun, the sensations were interesting, but I was ready for it to begin slowing down at least two full swings before it did. I may ride one again, but only if the line is nonexistent like this one was. Rotating clockwise (a little dizzy?), I made my way past the Wave Swinger and Space Shuttle (Looping Starship) to the park's Looping Star. I mistakenly thought Laser at Dorney and this were the same model (Yeah, I know, duh.) and I wasn't looking forward to this as I really didn't like Laser. Looping Star kicks Laser's butt. The head chopper on the first drop had the Japanese gals in front of me ducking and screaming, and the rest of the ride was amazing, in spite of an obvious lack of preservation maintenance. They really need to paint this ride. The odd lift hill is the same as Laser's but the overall ride is much smoother. I'm becoming an Anton Schwartzkopf fan. Next I passed by the park's Swing Around, Freefall (closed for the rain) and Frisbee (regular sized, inward facing seats) to hit the Double Wild Mouse (mice?). These only have one set of switchbacks across the top, and run free with no trims until the switchbacks are done. Every trim brake after that brings the car to almost a complete stop before allowing the car to proceed. Yuck. Passing by the Shoot the Chute, I took three shots of the closed Steel Dragon 2000, one along the overall length, one of the station and one of the letter from the park to the public about the status of the coaster. After my wife translates this last one for me, I will post it here and send it to Duane at RCDB. There is a large Go-kart track past SD2K named Bobkarts, but I skipped it as I wanted to hit the last few coasters before moving on to the next park. Passing Looping Star and the very odd Flying Carpet ride (the inverted seating looked more like a double wide Invertigo) I tried to board Shuttle Loop and Jet Coaster (actually jetto costah is what Japanese people call roller coasters) but both were closed for the rain. I really, really, really think that NSL is trying to avoid another accident. I passed some time by getting a bite to eat across from the three swinging ships (a double jumbo and a normal sized single), taking some photos and getting a back seat ride on White Cyclone. After getting off, I saw that Jet Coaster was testing. I got on the first train after it opened. This TOGO coaster is old. It looks like the Cyclone(1965) at Toshimaen: Coaster design by Gustav Eiffel. Steel girders, I-beams and rivets, this coaster has a roughly triangular / figure-8 layout. Unlike Cyclone there's no air, making this even more of a family ride. As I got off Cyclone I noticed that Shuttle Loop was testing, so I passed by the triple Space Shot towers and got in line for the first ride upon opening. Another Schwartzkopf, this time flywheel launched. Good fun was had by all, and I had another front row seat. I saw that Ultratwister was finally operating, so I passed the Giant Double Viking (these mothers are HUGE, they look like they each hold more than 100 people!) to try my first TOGO Pipeline coaster. The banging at into ends is kind of rough, and the vertical lift is a bit uncomfortable on your back, but the rest of the ride is actually enjoyable. The first drop is ridiculously steep, a pop of air, and then the first of three heartline rolls. The backwards heartline rolls are trickier, but it is cool to see the tracks spiraling away in front of you. After getting off, I walked back past the Shuttle loop to check out the corner by the water park, I noted that the park has removed the Top Spin shown on the park maps, but the backdrop for the ride is still there. I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for 3100 yen. I left the park , boarded the bus and transferred to the train back to Nagoya Station. I took a taxi from there to Pokemon: The Park 2005. Entrance was free, and there were a million kids and their parents riding a bunch of generic carnival rides themed with Pokemon characters. Ferris wheel, Merry go round, etc. I paid my 600 yen to ride the Pokemon dragon Go-Gator, snapped some photos and walked back to Nagoya Station to ride the bullet train back to Tokyo. Chris B Next up? I have no idea! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 00:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96698 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 07:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 07:24:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:24:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Counting Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=oRnTWY1P3wvfoJrLKzv6jTLk80XrPQ3CkmSaUFfh4uwMYtVdzA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 We discussed the various options for couting our track record a while back. I was fooling around and checked out the coastercounter.com site, and he has updated the site to the extent that I was able to update my count to exactly the 407 coasters that I have been on. Needless to say I was pretty happy about this, so I thought I'd share. Chris B From mosspier@insightbb.com Mon Aug 01 01:13:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mosspier@insightbb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48933 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 08:13:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:08:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:08:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.222.150.87 From: "hoosierlandpark" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146065720; y=p2S2Yv7PxecLy7aqC9msChetvMO8ql0qEDru9To3YOB5xDEDd9giiOvH X-Yahoo-Profile: hoosierlandpark What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get injured from a "Minor" Accident. Michael W. Moss http://podweather.com/ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > > Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been > > having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the > > world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the > > reporting more "targeted" than usual? > > Yeah! I've heard about a ton of Disney accidents lately. Are they > really occurring at a greater rate, or is the press just trumpeting > them more because of the Disney name? > > Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 06:42:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15168 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:42:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 13:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 13:34:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:34:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9-HPFZ7fB8B6rw64qXH9YJOyGSO7kFaS8VhmoQ4rnLpVxsOVSw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "hoosierlandpark" wrote: > What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than > one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get > injured from a "Minor" Accident. > > Michael W. Moss > http://podweather.com/ This is minor compared to the accident on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad less than 2 years ago! That killed a guy, and was determined to be almost wholly due to shoddy maintenence, poor operating procedures and undertrained operators. We'll have to wait until detailed reports explain what went wrong to make any real judgement on this occasion. Chris From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:53:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94413 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA550961444@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=odi7j9aKAvDVW27M6ZkPLR4QBssKhB5QAn_Bg2liDwo5WcrzPrYj X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59098 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA363462968@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=yllgv_86DcMcsiMhKc4ZDRwsdaZzEREDUNDEsx1xFE1EDBUVlt5E X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:54:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13258 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA483393860@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Ww5s5ql1xRkjmghNEl7gTWj9uwxbsYKKJ534pZY_Ug7NVaIChNDq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62876 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:32 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71904 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA483656004@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70747 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA4265672898@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple sections to complete, but it`s up and running anyway. > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < Click on the "Explore" shield. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Aug 01 07:10:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82746 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.203) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1366904rne for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.26 with SMTP id h26mr2525197rng; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=QlryIExG0cuLSjkbAyaMsO0TsX9450FXHvDN0nA_nFSLZdT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Since when is Jay a spammer? I've gotten this message like 8 times today.=20 On 8/1/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore= section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple sections to c= omplete, but it`s up and running anyway. >=20 > > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < >=20 > Click on the "Explore" shield. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 11:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56782 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:02:07 -0700 Message-Id: <200508011102.AA257884378@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=ugmNwXVMokxcqYVTMTR9eE5v0EluIb935ZcMpkgolto_muW_PpI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Ooops. Sorry about that. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 01 13:24:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99229 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzgpO-0007Ju-Uw for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <42EE84E9.50908@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:24:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662f1a809375632a77b83c788f9a1552d04e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4htVdDKjTroAIedoxtFoUvDOLOHlzrR4NROszAKrqvXuo0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash hoosierlandpark wrote: > What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than > one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get > injured from a "Minor" Accident. Others have already mentioned how it compared to the Big Thunder accident. While there may be a "large" number of people hurt, none of the injuries were serious- some minor back and nect strain, but that was it. Nothing required more than a short examination and brief treatment at the hospital, with no one staying more than a few hours. Additionally, it was because two trains "bumped" together at very low speed at the end of the ride. It wasn't a high speed impact, and didn't cause major damage. From what I've heard, the trains barely showed any sign of the impact at all. So little to no damage, low speed impact, and nothing more than minor, almost negligible injuries... yeah, that's a minor accident. Especially in light of what has happened before and what it could have been. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 01 13:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86138 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzgrQ-0008Na-Vv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <42EE8567.3050001@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:26:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662fcaacc3fe66e8221756c61797ea21d03c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=RoWtdxmehnKuFwj7rNuiE_E5_gpBxmSkBgAr1itJ3uKrwj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > Since when is Jay a spammer? I've gotten this message like 8 times today. He's not. My guess is it was either a glitch with his email program, or with Yahoo. My bet is on his email program, since, as I recall in the distant past, there was a time when everytime Jay posted it appeared twice. Or was that someone else? In any case.... > > On 8/1/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s > Explore section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple > sections to complete, but it`s up and running anyway. > > > > > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < > > > > Click on the "Explore" shield. > > It's looking great so far Jay! Can't wait til I get some time that I can actually spend some time reading it and getting a good detailed feel for it... keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 13:55:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96232 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:55:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bxgoLoR21VoC4WPHgPBLwi1EV1zzDrDkmNC08_fGOEpRDxw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, Thanks for the TR. Too bad about the "rain" issues. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: SNIP > I also timed > the actual length of a bullet train stop at a non-end-of-line stop > at a mere 60 seconds! Wow, don't be late! I hope nobody has mobility issues. SNIP > On to the park itself: Blackout, a Vekoma SLC (my ninth), is still > operating, although as painful as it was, I can't imagine for how > long. I could hear the people in front and behind me saying > "Itai, Itai, Itai" (Ouch, Ouch, Ouch) through the whole course. I > was grimacing in pain myself, in spite of my defensive riding > posture. Yeah, I don't get those? Why are they so rough? I went on one last month with a friend. I hated it, he loved it. SNIP > I lined up for White Cyclone and asked one of > the ride ops to snap a photo of me after I buckled in. I posted this > pic in the group site under miscellaneous. I held up my sign again > for the on ride photo, and surprisingly it turned out incredible! > I'm looking straight at the camera, my sign is legible and it > (the photo) looks really good! Well, except for me that is. I'm no > Brad Pitt, but my wife seems to like me. I think might have more to do with the "adorable" factor ;) SNIP > I tried to ride Ultratwister next, but it wasn't running anymore > due to a light rain and reports of lightning. Instead in a rare flat > ride move for me, I boarded the park's brand new Giant Frisbee. One of the new flat rides I will ride. Way fun. SNIP > I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White > Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone > dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for > 3100 yen. Hmmm...Some "interesting" choices. SNIP > Chris B > Next up? I have no idea! Keep us posted! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32598 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:03:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508011102.AA257884378@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ir8Pe8yQGL0sAjwrnFMhViR4qkSUVG7_8WvNMuxpfL9cZhc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Ooops. Sorry about that. Karen`s in the hospital and I`m using a funky new Net interface in her room. Something must have gone wrong. > > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31050 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:12:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Fox celebs romp in Pacific Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UJqfdLBKBlldMTUTkhnq-FslSnvSOLitfuT2Bt5SQ-4XX4g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 1, 2005 USA Today Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/usatoday/20050801/en_usatoday/foxcelebsrompinpacificpark By William Keck Santa Monica, CA -- The O.C. kids had an entire amusement park at=20 their disposal Friday night as the Fox network shut down Santa Monica=20 Pier's Pacific Park to celebrate the launch of their new TV season -=20 and mark the concluding night of the TV networks' 2o-week-long summer=20 press tour. "Fox is always anxious to come up with the biggest, most=20 outrageously arrogant party they can," observed Seth Green, who=20 regularly voices characters on Family Guy. "I was there 1 year when=20 they held a party on the enormous USS Intrepid (aircraft carrier) in=20 New York. It was like, Fox rocks the boat!" The O.C.'s Rachel Bilson (Summer) recalled bringing co-star Mischa=20 Barton (Marissa) to the Pier 2 years ago when they were first cast on=20 the show, to "play games and ride the bumper cars and roller=20 coasters." But now, the cast's high-priced duds are not designed for Pier play,=20 as evidenced by Kelly Rowan (Kirsten), who got her heel caught in the=20 boardwalk. "I looove rides," said Bilson. "But I don't think I'm=20 really dressed for it tonight." Real-life sweethearts Bilson and co-star Adam Brody (Seth), whose on- screen romance is expected to remain strong this year, were eager to=20 get home to their rescued pit bull terrier, Penny Lane. "She's=20 sweeter than any poodle, but she's strong and just won't heel,"=20 griped Brody. When it comes to tough love, he's the one in the house=20 who lays down the law. "I do all the work. I'm the disciplinarian." Bilson agreed: "I'm the mom. I cuddle and feed her." New to the Fox schedule is Chris O'Donnell, who plays an attorney in=20 Head Cases. O'Donnell lives "just down the street" and says he often=20 walks his 3 kids - ages 5, 4 and 2 - down to the Pier: "They love the=20 big bouncing thing but find the Ferris wheel a little boring."=20 The O.C.'s Ben McKenzie (Ryan) tossed balls and darts, trying in vain=20 to win stuffed Bart Simpsons and Stewies (The Family Guy) for his=20 publicist's children. More successful was Arrested Development's Will Arnett (George), who=20 lobbed a basketball into a hoop and won a football. "I compete on the=20 carnival circuit," Arnett joked. "I'm very athletic." Near the bumper cars, 14-y.o. Erik Per Sullivan - who returns for his=20 6th season as Malcolm in the Middle's Dewey - offered his 2 cents on=20 his 19-y.o. co-star Frankie Muniz's July engagement to someone he has=20 known just a short time. (His fianc=E9e is not an actress, and her full=20 name has not been released.) "I gotta say I'm pretty surprised," said=20 Sullivan, while devouring a chocolate ice cream bar. "But, hey,=20 that's Hollywood." ------------- =A9 2005 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. =A9 2005 Yahoo! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:21:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70212 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:21:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Book brings memories of Cleveland parks to life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Xij2CoBDcqh3XA7MXgFqFavOUD9ecC43o_eTH7BuXhqyOAM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 Cleveland Jewish News http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2005/08/01/features/arts/a rts0729.txt By: MICHAEL GOROFF "Cleveland Amusement Park Memories." By David and Diane Francis. Gray & Company. Cleveland. 2004. 128 pp. Paperback, $19.95. The buttery smell of popcorn shops, big band music coming from ballrooms, daredevils and vaudeville in this was the "golden age" of Cleveland amusement parks. Euclid Beach, Luna, Geauga Lake, Puritas Springs n these were the hot spots of Cleveland in the age of innocence. Cleveland Amusement Park Memories, the 11th book about parks by husband-wife duo David & Diane Francis, nostalgically documents more than 75 years of Cleveland amusement park history, especially concentrating on the early 1900s, what David Francis considers the "golden age." The 1st amusement park debuted in 1894 in Chicago, note the authors. The trend spread to Ohio, and by 1912, 54 such parks called Ohio their home. However, World War I put a damper on the fervor Clevelanders and other Americans had for amusement parks, Francis says in a phone interview from his office in Wadsworth. "Around 1915, during WWI, there was a cultural movement in America. American society started changing rapidly, and the age of innocence had come to an end when we were thrust into this world issue. The 1920s saw a social revolution, and the amusement park was old America. Then parks started closing." Before the social and political changes of the roaring '20s, however, many Cleveland amusement parks enjoyed great popularity and provided the public with a mixed bag of entertainment. Euclid Beach and Luna Park had rides, shows, and ballrooms, where both locally and nationally known bands would play. "On an average Sunday, Luna sold 15,000 dance tickets, and even for Thursday evenings, ticket sales of 7,000 were recorded," according to the book. Even though the parks had similar rides & attractions, each one had its own identity, Francis says. Cleveland Amusement Park Memories "shows the uniqueness of the parks," he says. The first defining attribute of the parks was architecture, Francis explains. "The Luna Park here was designed after Luna Park in Coney Island (in Brooklyn). It had a mix of Oriental and European design and was very bright with a lot of lights that would just be gorgeous at night. "Euclid Beach took a different direction. It was unadorned, and much of it was dark green to blend into nature." In addition to architecture, other differences distinguished one park from another, Francis adds. "Euclid was free entry; Luna was paid. Euclid would not sell alcohol or even cigarettes, and it had no games of chance. Luna made a lot of money from alcohol and was known for having a lot of sexually-oriented shows. They had very different management styles." Many parks operated under the philosophy that Luna promoted, which was to allow people to liberally enjoy themselves. But Euclid Beach's business survived longer than many other parks. "Euclid Beach was successful but abnormal in its strict rules," Francis says. "For example, women couldn't wear shorts (to the park) in the 1950s, although they could wear slacks." Despite its reputation for being a "Sunday School" operation, Euclid Beach Park remained open to the public until 1969. Luna Park closed in 1929 after a horrendous fire destroyed part of the park and Prohibition took away much of the park's income, while Puritas Spring Park closed in 1958. Geauga Lake Park, another classic Cleveland amusement park, opened in 1925. It is still open today, thanks to luck, Francis says. "Geauga Lake survived until 1969, but they got lucky because other outside companies bought and invested money in it," he says. "Geauga has been able to stay open through corporations. Otherwise, it's just as likely that the park would have closed." The survival of amusement parks can be attributed to this trend of corporate ownership, Francis notes. "Amusement parks have had a total rebirth because corporate management can afford to spend money on new rides & attractions. A private ownership really has no chance today of building much of a park, although there are exceptions. But it's the super-parks that bring in millions of dollars." Cleveland Amusement Park Memories chronicles the history and trends of Cleveland amusement parks with 192 beautiful black-&-white photos, dating from the 1890s-1970s. The reader also gets vivid first-hand accounts of people who either worked at the parks or frequented them. The main theme of Cleveland Amusement Park Memories is the nostalgia that people associate with the parks. Although today's amusement parks are completely different from what they were in the past, there is still a longing for the good old days, Francis says. "Most of the people interviewed are very nostalgic, especially about Euclid Beach," he says. "Many of them wish (the parks) were still there. These memories are deeply engrained in them." ----------- Copyright 2005 Cleveland Jewish News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:28:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67651 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:28:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Ride crash 'first in 40 years' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dZjodqb7ux1DENXChAGf5-u9gXLZZBX3JlK7Ms2B73J8tV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/4733169.stm Rhyl, Clwyd Wales -- The owners of a fairground where 5 people were=20 hurt when a rollercoaster left its tracks say it is the 1st accident=20 there in 40 years. A girl of 4 from Crewe, Cheshire, and her father were among the=20 injured at Rhyl's Ocean Beach amusement park. 2 safety inspectors and a specialist engineer were inspecting the=20 fairground ride after Sunday's accident. Michael Batty of owners Rhyl Amusements said he was "very=20 disappointed" by the accident. A couple from Rhyl, who needed hospital treatment, and a man from=20 Wigan were also hurt. Mr Batty said the rollercoaster was inspected daily and it appeared=20 that the car the 5 were in jumped the track in the station at the end=20 of a ride. Investigation=20 The incident was the 1st at the seafront park in 40 years. The ride was closed on Monday while the Health & Safety Executive=20 investigation is carried out, although the rest of the park remains=20 open. It is believed the car, which had been at ground level, was hit by=20 the car behind and knocked off the rails. 2 of the people, a woman of 32 and a man of 30, were taken to=20 hospital after suffering chest and abdominal injuries. The Welsh Ambulance Service said the injured woman had suffered=20 fractured ribs and the man sustained injuries to his stomach, right=20 leg and back. They were taken to Glan Clwyd Hospital in Bodelwyddan for treatment. ------------- =A9 BBC MMV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:32:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88102 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:32:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boy pinned under hooves of carousel horses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OLgTlgQ5eHYtpgFkmC4YxdKjEz5l_cN2gJQzGxSHV-KCwao X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 01 2005 Independent Online http://www.iol.co.za/index.php? set_id=3D1&click_id=3D3&art_id=3Dqw1122888781228B265 Schoenborn, Germany -- The owners of an amusement park in Germany=20 faced charges of negligent homicide Monday after a 3-y.o. boy was=20 trampled to death under the hooves of horses on a children's carousel. The toddler eluded his parents and hopped onto the moving carousel in=20 the Rhine Valley town of Schoenborn Sunday evening. Losing his balance, he fell and became pinned under the mechanical=20 horses. Eyewitnesses said there was a delay in stopping the carousel because=20 the master switch was located in the cashiers booth, which was locked=20 and unstaffed. --------------- =A9 2005 Independent Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:35:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7270 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:35:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Mother Charged In Kidnap Plot Due In Court X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i6PT6A3RsjWVtZbTcXgehLTzxaLFaD2QGSkPVdiLegY-kOo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 NBC News 10 http://www.turnto10.com/news/4792703/detail.html?rss=pro&psp=news TAUNTON, Mass. -- A woman charged in an alleged plot to kidnap her own daughter is due in court Monday. Police said Karen DeCosta of Revere arranged for her 8-y.o. daughter to be kidnapped from an amusement park in New Hampshire. Her ex- boyfriend has sole custody of the child. The 52-y.o. was arrested Friday by an undercover Raynham police detective, whom she allegedly paid an undisclosed sum for the job. The girl lives in Raynham with DeCosta's ex-boyfriend. Police said DeCosta planned to flee the state with the girl. She is scheduled to be arraigned Monday in Taunton District Court on charges that include attempted kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. The police sting started 3 days ago; after they received a tip that DeCosta was looking for someone to kidnap her child. ------------ Copyright 2005 by turnto10.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:56:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58845 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:56:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=xcOQaWPVnseSBKyAkMN_g120N8cJGPvsodOE_gLSKaHH3NnQcA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > > I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White > > Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone > > dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for > > 3100 yen. > > Hmmm...Some "interesting" choices. > SNIP In Japan, ride specific souvenirs are rare, with the exception of cookies. This time I happened to like the tins they came in and they had stuff for both White Cyclone and the still closed Steel Dragon 2000. My wife likes Hello Kitty (she is Japanese after all) and I am just following the tradition of Omiyage, which is similar to the old joke of "My friend went to _____ and all I got was this t-shirt, pen, etc." So, :P Chris From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 20:01:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82375 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 03:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 03:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 03:01:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 59179 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 03:01:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050802030104.59177.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:01:04 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Abe as a theme park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=-s6fD6gXOySJrORAq1icdw8tUoAibqKNdClJQvoE2_i3AjY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I think this kind of fits the bill for discussion, in-part because a lot of the project was done by BRC Imagination Arts (http://www.brcweb.com/museums/lincoln-library.htm). They have done a lot of different projects, including theme parks, all over the world. It is yet another sign of convergance, which is bringing the technology and business of theme parks into industries not traditionally associated with branding. I am currently reading a book called "Branded Nation: The Marketing of Megachurch, College Inc., and Museumworld", which actually delves into the use of branding, marketing and other devices by "non-profits". In many ways they are adapting things that have been used for some time by the "for-profit" sector of the market. Naturally I have only read the church and college parts of the book so far, the museum section will be taken care of on the next business trip. However, it is interesting that places like museums are incorporating the "flash" of theme parks. Now that this process has really taken root, it will be neat to watch the good and bad of a for-profit business model and self-awareness take hold in the museum world. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 01 20:57:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98730 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 03:56:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.155.107.116 From: "screamscapelance" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=SAweif09UkgpW_g2u-loDMfL2LHf-Y-sfK2fBCtnkMrRVYByUaR8HCANJw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > This is minor compared to the accident on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad > less than 2 years ago! That killed a guy, and was determined to be > almost wholly due to shoddy maintenence, poor operating procedures and > undertrained operators. > > We'll have to wait until detailed reports explain what went wrong to make any real judgement on this occasion. After all... this isn't the first time that an Intamin coaster has slipped through a brake zone and bumped into the train in front of it. Superman: Ride of Steel at SFNE a few years back is a good example... and I think it's happened on a few others as well. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:05:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47985 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:05:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Hollywood eyes New Orleans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HBZMtfzPrWiLPQAQfqcKA8i0-MJqmYUxVCUBw2Pum6-LyWM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 The Advocate http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/080205/bus_hollywood001.shtml By NED RANDOLPH New Orleans, LA -- The producers of the "Mortal Kombat" video games &=20 movies would like to build a $150 million studio & amusement park on=20 the banks of the Mississippi, which would be the 1st of its kind=20 anywhere, the company's CEO said Monday. In a separate event, Gov. Kathleen Blanco is expected today to=20 announce a new sound stage in New Orleans that will quadruple=20 production space there. A group backed by Hollywood-based Sunset=20 Gower Studios plans to build a $20 million film production complex in=20 Algiers on the West Bank of the Mississippi, the online publication=20 Neworleansbiz.com reported Monday. Meanwhile, Threshold Entertainment, which is planning to film "Mortal=20 Kombat III" in Louisiana, is interested in building out 100,000- 150,000 sq-ft of production space that would double as a tourist=20 attraction. "I believe there's an extraordinary opportunity to build=20 a state-of-the-art production studio-slash-Hollywood theme park and=20 training facility right in the middle of town," CEO Larry Kasanoff=20 said. "There would be actual movies being made there, and an observation=20 platform to watch. "It would also be a training center because you guys have an awesome=20 tax credit but are so lacking in experienced crew base." The project's future would depend on how much cooperation and support=20 Kasanoff receives from the various governing bodies on the river,=20 which include the Port of N.O., city of N.O., and even the state,=20 said Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, who met with Kasanoff this past=20 weekend. " 'Mortal Kombat' has made $5 billion. He wants to bring a=20 $150 million studio theme park," Landrieu said. "In politics, I'm always skeptical about people bearing gifts, but=20 Kasanoff is real. "He is the head of an entertainment company that is very fluid and=20 very wealthy." Threshold, which claims to have licenses to $100 billion in=20 intellectual property, also builds digital theme parks around the=20 country. Kasanoff is eyeing several sites, including the cleared land next to=20 the Morial Convention Center, once slated for its Phase IV expansion.=20 He said the company would need some kind of support from the city or=20 state. "Broadly speaking, we need the state or city to help be a=20 partner," he said. "We're talking millions and millions of dollars of investment in=20 addition to the billions of tourist dollars - this is a big project,=20 the 1st of its kind in the world." Since Louisiana's tax credit program began in 2002, movie companies=20 have spent $900 million, producing at least 31 major movie & TV=20 projects in the state. The work has come so fast that the state has struggled to supply=20 enough experienced crew members and production space. Studios in many=20 cases have had to fly in trained crewmen. "Training, training,=20 training is the message I came back with," Landrieu said about his=20 trip to California. "We need to show them we can actually do the=20 work." Landrieu went to Hollywood to reassure industry executives and pitch=20 the state's movie business. Lawmakers revised the program this session to limit eligible expenses=20 for the tax credits to those made directly in the state. They also=20 expanded the cap on credits. Depending on the movie's budget, studios now can recoup up to 25% of=20 their costs. That also includes expenses on hiring Louisiana musicians. And companies can qualify for incentives for building media-related=20 infrastructure projects. "When you walk into a Threshold studio, you=20 see people sitting in front of computers making sound effects,"=20 Landrieu said. "The whole point is attracting pre- and post-production. With=20 technology, you can do that here, you can do it in Austin or you can=20 do it in Timbuktu." Meanwhile, the studio reported by Neworleansbiz.com will house 5=20 sound stages with 125,000 sq-ft of space, state-of-the-art digital=20 post-production facilities, a back lot and 200,000 sq-ft of office=20 space. The deal would be the 1st major studio in N.O. backed by out- of-state investors since the state passed its film industry tax- incentive program. The University of N.O.'s Robert E. Nims Center for Entertainment=20 Arts, which houses 2 sound stages that total 30,000 sq-ft, is booked=20 through the year. ------------ =A9 1992-2005, 2theadvocate.com, WBRZ, Louisiana Broadcasting LLC and=20 The Advocate, Capital City Press LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:15:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12872 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:15:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:15:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:15:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: State Probe of Disney Ride Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z_FdGT0y0ZMb81E33xGRrIDLM_NzgAO0BDWTKW0T6_wxi5I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 The Los Angeles Times Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/la-me- disney31jul31,0,3372571.story?coll=3Dorl-business-headlines- tourism&track=3Drss By Jennifer Delson Anaheim, CA -- State officials were investigating Sat. whether=20 mechanical or human error caused the first major ride accident at=20 Disney's California Adventure, in which at least 15 park visitors=20 suffered minor injuries the day before. The California Screamin' roller coaster will remain closed for=20 several days while investigators look at the ride's dispatch=20 coordination to determine whether a computer failed or a person=20 caused the accident, said Len Welsh, acting chief of the Cal.=20 Division of Occupational Safety and Health. "The timing was part of=20 [the accident]," he said. "We won't reopen the ride until we=20 understand what caused it, to make sure it is safe." Welsh could not say how long the investigation would take. The accident occurred shortly after 6:30pm on the coaster, which=20 propels riders through a silhouette of Mickey Mouse's head. The=20 trains, each carrying 24 passengers, were about to reach the end of=20 the ride. The 1st train stopped, but the 2nd hit it, said John J.=20 Nicoletti, a spokesman for the city of Anaheim. By 11pm, all of the injured had been treated & released from=20 hospitals, he said. He said that 39 of the 48 riders walked off the=20 ride. 1 was taken out on a board, put on a lift operated by the=20 Anaheim Fire Dept and transported over a wall. 8 others were removed=20 by ladder. CS, which opened in 2001, was billed by Disney as evoking "the great=20 thrills of wooden roller coasters from days gone by." It catapults=20 riders to 55mph in less than 5 seconds and has a 108' drop. Sandor Kernacs, president of Intamin AG, the ride's Switzerland-based=20 manufacturer, declined to comment Sat. There have been 3 fatalities=20 on Intamin rides in other parks in recent years, but they were=20 related to passenger restraint systems. In March 2004, a jury ruled against a Milwaukee doctor who alleged he=20 suffered whiplash on the CS ride. A 22-y.o. man was killed in the 2003 derailment of Disneyland's Big=20 Thunder Mountain Railroad roller coaster; it was built by another=20 manufacturer. Friday's accident comes a month after the Cal. Supreme Court=20 toughened safety classifications for roller coasters. Operators of=20 roller coasters and similar attractions must ensure the same level of=20 safety as those who run buses, trains and other means of public=20 transportation, the court ruled. The court majority wrote that theme=20 park operators must use "the utmost care and diligence" for the=20 safety of riders rather than mere "reasonable care." Most states=20 require operators of amusement rides to use only "reasonable care." The ruling could make it easier for those injured on rides to win=20 lawsuits against amusement parks, legal experts say, but it could=20 also lead to the removal or modification of thrill rides. Taking his 4th Disney trip in 2 years, Kevin Bromagen, 38, an=20 insurance claims adjustor from Lincoln, Neb., and daughter Taylor, 6,=20 were aboard the front train at the time of the accident. "We were=20 stopped for about 60 seconds. We had never stopped that long,"=20 Bromagen said. "I could hear the other car coming. We couldn't do=20 anything but get ready to be hit. We couldn't move and we couldn't=20 see it coming." Then, he said, he "heard a tremendous smack and then people=20 screaming," including Taylor. The 2 chose not to be treated at a=20 hospital, he said. Bromagen said Sat. afternoon in a telephone interview after returning=20 to Lincoln that he had had a headache since the accident. Taylor woke=20 up 3 times Friday night screaming "Get me off this ride," he said. Bromagen said park staff gave him $30 worth of food and front-row=20 seats at a show, but that compensation wasn't adequate. "I'm not sure=20 I'll be rushing back," he said. --------- =A9 2005, The Los Angeles Times =A9 2005 Orlando Sentinel Communications From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:24:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46943 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:22:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: 60-acre, $90 mil. water park resort opens in Utica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=feW_fn7erY-cXZYHL9hjNHCHE-2yAkc-lWhLTCKOhPp6aHI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 31, 2005 Associated Press Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/travel/tra-news-bear31.html BY JAN DENNIS UTICA, Ill. -- Grizzly Jack's Grand Bear Lodge, Illinois' 1st indoor water park complex & resort, has opened about 90 miles SW of Chicago, and officials hope the resort will attract some vacationers who usually head to the famed water parks of Wisconsin Dells. The 24,000-sq-ft water park is the 1st in the nation with sound & motion technology that takes swimmers through virtual reality adventures such as sliding into a bear or shark's mouth, said Dan Gundrum, a board member for the 2,500-member World Waterpark Association. "It's really great. Realistic. I recommend it," 11-y.o. Nick Mitrovich of Park Ridge said after his 30-second ride through the 330'-long tube. Utica Mayor Fred Esmond said the lodge is also an economic and emotional boost for the area following an April 2004 tornado that left 8 people dead and damaged or destroyed a quarter of the buildings in this town of less than 1,000 people. "It's a chance for us to say let's not look at the past so much, let's look at the future. The future looks good," Esmond said. The resort, which cost $90 million, opened June 30 and logged some 40,000 inquiries in its first 2 weeks of operations, said spokesman Michael Hatt. The water park is open only to guests staying at the lodge; day passes are not available. It is located near Starved Rock, Illinois' most popular state park, which had more than 2.1 million visitors last year. Right now Illinois residents spend up to $700 million a year in Wisconsin Dells, a year-round vacation mecca for Midwesterners, with 18 indoor and 3 outdoor water parks and other local attractions. "I long for the day to see thousands of Wisconsin license plates in our Illinois water parks," said Marc Gordon, president and CEO of the Illinois Hotel & Lodging Assoc. But Wisconsin Dells will continue to call itself the "Waterpark Capital of the World," said Steve Shattuck, spokesman for its visitor and convention bureau. "When a family wants to take a water park vacation, we hear all the time that Wisconsin Dells is at the top of their list because we have the biggest, fastest and wettest of everything," he said. "We don't see that changing." Restaurants, conference facilities, an arcade and 18-hole miniature golf course also are available at the privately developed Grand Bear Lodge, where a robotic trapper and bear greet guests in the lobby. Accommodations include 100 two-story villas that sleep up to 10 people. 40 more villas will open by the end of the year, along with 56 log cabins that sleep up to 18 people, an indoor amusement park and spa, Hatt said. Because Grand Bear will be open year-round, officials hope its indoor attractions will keep tourists coming in the dead of winter. Jan Kostner, deputy director of the Illinois Department of Tourism, said the resort could draw an extra 200,000 people a year to Starved Rock. The resort also could attract spinoff business to the area such as restaurants, shops and wineries, and new water parks could sprout from Chicago's suburbs to Rockford, tourism officials said. "This is really just the beginning," Kostner said. Utica business owners hope the resort helps boost sales they say dipped last year after some Starved Rock visitors mistakenly thought the tornado had paralyzed downtown restaurants, taverns and shops. "We've seen some increase in business, but we've got a long way to go yet," said Lisle Elsbury, who said sales at his restaurant and tavern decreased 30% last year and are still down up to 15%. "When a community has had a tragedy like they've endured, this can help bring things back, both in terms of enthusiasm and morale as well as the economics," Gordon said. ------------- Copyright 2005, Digital Chicago Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73659 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:38:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Brazen theif robs Boardwalk three times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dK_eaQ8IVSf32OKXls3n_SzKyAMiQ0Z55l_U78B2zpVnD5k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/August/02/local/stories/ 01local.htm By CATHY SMITH SANTA CRUZ =97 A man has robbed 3 Boardwalk concession stands in the=20 past week, police say, including a Monday heist at Dippin' Dots. The man pretends to be a customer, then demands cash, asserting he=20 has a gun, but no weapon has been seen, Santa Cruz police Sgt. Loran=20 Baker said. Detectives suspect he may be the same man who robbed World Savings on=20 Pacific Ave on Friday and the same bold thief who tried to rob a=20 sunglasses shop on Cathcart St near Pacific Ave just after noon Mon. But the owner of that shop, Rain or Shine, Mackenzie Fullmer, a 25- y.o. who is several months pregnant, refused to give the man money,=20 and he left empty-handed. The latest Boardwalk robbery came about 4 hours later, at 4:20pm Mon,=20 when a man demanded cash from a clerk at the Dippin' Dots consignment=20 inside the amusement park's arcade. About 8:15pm Sat, the same man ordered 2 espressos from Marini's in=20 the same area of the park, then demanded money. Last week, at 8:45pm=20 on July 25, he robbed Senor Ted's near the bumper cars ride, police=20 said. The man has gotten an undisclosed amount of cash at each=20 concession stand. "He has no problem walking into very busy places,"=20 Baker said. "He's pretty bold, but we have a lot of leads, and we're=20 going to get him." Fullmer said the man surprised her and prompted her to begin shopping=20 for surveillance equipment Mon. She said the robber pretended to be=20 looking for a gift and asked to buy a gift certificate before=20 demanding that she give him all the money in the cash register. He=20 said he had a gun, she said. "I said, `Let me see it,' " Fullmer=20 said. "I don't know why I said that, it wasn't the smartest thing to=20 do. I was very scared." Fullmer said he look surprised and repeated the gun threat when the=20 phone rang. He ordered her not to answer it. She did. He walked out. The thief is described as 6' tall in his 30s. Sat night, he wore a=20 black hat with "Santa Cruz" written on it in red and yellow letters,=20 police said. Some of the victims have been teens who were quite shaken by the=20 experience, Baker said. More than 1 said the man was calm and one=20 thought he was joking when he said it was a robbery, he said. Boardwalk spokesman Kris Reyes said such incidents are rare at the=20 park. He said security is working with police. He declined to say how=20 many security guards patrol the park. Investigators ask those with information to call 420-5820. ------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Aug 02 13:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56781 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:55:04 -0700 Message-Id: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=J0-dWdZEh7gK43ofFh5mkL8oYrDefnbdRlnO3DYZClqiV1HNZqbO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay.< It`s not prying at all, Alan. Two weeks ago, her brother died of a massive coronary. He was only 45 years old and seemed in perfect health. Last Friday, Karen had a mild heart attack. I`m typing this by her bedside at the Lahey Clinic near Boston. She`s going to be okay, but it looks like our coaster-riding days may be at an end. :-( Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 02 14:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38471 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E04aY-0001WA-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <42EFE9B1.6080900@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:46:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf714822adeefc0b3eaf979c86a0a9561f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=W86qeQhWT2xcp7anq-EpProF67opsiTjmv7YL2RmSWvmYkM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > >Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay.< > > It`s not prying at all, Alan. Two weeks ago, her brother died of a > massive coronary. He was only 45 years old and seemed in perfect > health. Last Friday, Karen had a mild heart attack. I`m typing this by > her bedside at the Lahey Clinic near Boston. She`s going to be okay, but > it looks like our coaster-riding days may be at an end. :-( > I'm so sorry Jay. Please, keep us updated on how she's doing and what the verdict is- both short and long term. Is it caused by a condition that can be treated? In any case, know that I'm sure I speak for many when I say that our hearts and prayers are going out to you two. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 19:33:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80083 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 02:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 02:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 02:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 58744 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2005 02:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050803023301.58742.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:33:01 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: WDW Video Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=fyMYwjhfzquLlDVfoUs3nXK3ENKLxCiYQpXw1kU8niK7vFc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I finally got around to putting up my video to Walt Disney World from last December. If you're interested, it is at www.lonnol.com . Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 07:49:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5237 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:48:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=LcqGenVCNPb6OYT6IaFSjIyHwBI6qswAUMQj2uqR7wXZeDRre4xBud8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just went to rollercoaster database and a new woodie will be built at beach bend park in Bowling Green KY in 06. Sounds like it will be pretty wicked!!! From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 03 08:05:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38093 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2005 11:05:15 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,163,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="65048706:sNHT29946486" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j73F5EVu012151 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:14 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85D4AF08-2DBD-4757-9282-3052B0AC83A3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:05:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2005 15:05:14.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[C06BFF10:01C5983C] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: State Probe of Disney Ride Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=kBWLSsDw7Z258knGxfxwRUlPURWrQ4hHDMJtR2jDb1gi75ae X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > The California Screamin' roller coaster will remain closed for > several days while investigators look at the ride's dispatch > coordination to determine whether a computer failed or a person > caused the accident, said Len Welsh, acting chief of the Cal. > Division of Occupational Safety and Health. "The timing was part of > [the accident]," he said. "We won't reopen the ride until we > understand what caused it, to make sure it is safe." Umm .. shouldn't the control system disallow dispatching to occur at a "bad time"? I mean, it's not like a wooden coaster with manual brakes.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 10:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35382 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:49:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ycZrTon3mj2XqoxJNIsJaNbWELH-SiE-tbr7bnAdQ_pNQGc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Matt, Thanks for th tip! Here's the official url: http://www.beechbend.com/Name%20That%20Coaster!.htm it's by GCI - and it looks great!. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Just went to rollercoaster database and a new woodie will be built at > beach bend park in Bowling Green KY in 06. Sounds like it will be > pretty wicked!!! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 11:33:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66445 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:32:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Nebraska couple turns amusement park into beef operation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cdcMQgVTs8apTwXNCwF7KMkiYH1GMjCQDD_aCZ68PZFMGDk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 Iowa Farmer Today http://www.iowafarmer.com/articles/2005/08/03/headlines/tri_state_neig hbor/tri_state_news/top_stories/news13.txt By Janet Eckmann A Knox County, Neb., pasture walk through the rolling hills of "Oak=20 View Park," a former amusement park may seem a strange combination,=20 but not really. To owners Dave & Deb Hansen, it isn't a surprising arrangement at=20 all. "We have a sustainable mindset," Deb Hansen said. "We are=20 working towards a sustainable lifestyle which will include quality of=20 life and a quality food source." On a very warm July afternoon, she spoke to a small group armed with=20 straw hats and water jugs. The group observed extensive cedar tree removal and pasture=20 renovation, including water & paddock development. Their goal is to=20 sell meat from their grass-fed beef herd. In 2000, the Hansens purchased 520 acres in western Knox County and=20 with their 2 daughters moved to the area from the state of Washington=20 in 2001.=20=20=20=20 Both former Nebraskans, their goal was to get out of the city and=20 return to their roots. "We were looking for an area where we could=20 maintain a healthy lifestyle. We have been gardening organically=20 forever and wanted to expand that principle by eating healthy beef=20 and have access to other grass-fed products," she said. Supporting a grass-fed beef herd is a far cry from the activities=20 that once echoed from this very valley. The Hansens appreciate the history of the old park that is now a part=20 of their lives. John Pospeshil, a retired farmer and former Bloomfield businessman=20 moved his family to the ranch between the now ghost towns of Walnut=20 and Venus. He erected a complete set of brick buildings on the=20 property he named Oak View Ranch. In 1919 he built a still grander house and barns across the creek on=20 the northeast corner of his land. The house was made from 11,000=20 different kinds of bricks. Pospeshil had a standing offer that if=20 anyone would find 2 bricks alike in his home, he would give them the=20 house. That statement put him in "Ripley's Believe It or Not" in 1931. In 1926, the family created and operated one of the finest=20 attractions in all northeast Nebraska and named it Oak View Park. Communities starved for entertainment and in need of a location where=20 they could share social contact with their neighbors eagerly flocked=20 to Oak View Park. Pospeshil built a wooden dance pavilion with 16 corners, complete=20 with refreshment stand and a "kids" room with built-in shelves used=20 as bunk beds by children, as their parents danced the night away. The Olympic-size cement swimming pool had two diving boards. It still=20 stands as a reminder of those scorching Dust Bowl years, when young=20 and old alike sought the cool refuge of nearby unpolluted ponds and=20 streams. An early 1926 newspaper described the park's opening, "A large amount=20 of space is provided for parking cars and for picnic spots with an=20 abundance of fine shade and a heavy mantle of blue grass. A modern=20 enclosed baseball diamond with an excellent grandstand is available.=20 Elaborate playground equipment, surrounded by a high oak fence is=20 available for the youngsters. A dance pavilion where 300 couples may=20 follow their stepping desires is splendidly designed, and a natural=20 amphitheater adorn the grounds." The next year, Pospeshil spent $5,000 on improvements, including a=20 rodeo arena and several cabins. Due to the effects of war, tire and gas rationing, the park had=20 nearly closed down by the mid-'40s. Dances and roller-skating on=20 special occasions were still held up into the mid-'50s. Even back in the early 1900s the enjoyment and beauty of this land=20 was with its owners. Similar to the beliefs and management of its former Oak View Park=20 owner, the Hansens view this land as a way to achieve a sustainable=20 lifestyle. "When we bought the place it was totally overrun with=20 cedar trees that left little actual grass for grazing," she said. "We=20 focused our effort on clearing trees but doing it appropriately -=20 leaving some cedar trees for wildlife, moisture control and shade.=20 She said their aim is for a herd of Red Angus crossbreds, a smaller=20 breed of cattle ideal for their grass-fed operation. They prefer a=20 May/June calving date to be more in sync with the natural rhythm of=20 nature, she said. On a cold February day in 2000, Deb said she came alone to look at=20 the property because her husband was working. "I fell in love with=20 the area immediately. I called home and told Dave I found our place.=20 He said, 'that is fine but you still have to look at the other 15=20 pieces of properties.' I did, but it was this very first one that we=20 decided to call ours," Deb said. The Hansens rent a home nearby and would dearly love to refurbish the=20 old brick house that stands stately in the old park, but an estimate=20 to replace the roof alone was near $30,000. To enjoy the quiet and=20 beauty of nature, they have constructed a yurt, a Mongolian Tepee on=20 the ranch. The rustic accommodations are a getaway they share with=20 family and friends. It seems the holistic way of life that was good for our ancestors at=20 the turn of the century is realistic and enjoyable for the Hansens as=20 well. --------------- =A9 2005 Iowa Farmer Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:33:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86030 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:33:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boy found dead on amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bVWY-s2tKjmCzi6rZyjPE2byKr8Fckp7Rd1dOgkHztwE_Ac X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 4, 2005 Associated Press CNN http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/04/playland.death.ap/index.html? section=3Dcnn_latest RYE, New York -- A 7-y.o. boy was found dead in the water of a boat=20 ride at an historic amusement park Wednesday after he didn't emerge=20 from a tunnel, authorities said. The boy apparently climbed out the boat and got caught in the=20 conveyor belt of the Ye Old Mill, a boat-in-the-dark ride, at=20 Playland in Westchester. The ride that killed the Norwalk, Connecticut, boy, whose name was=20 not released, is "one of our most benign," County Executive Andrew=20 Spano said at a news conference. The ride consists of 14 boats propelled into a tunnel. The water is 2=20 1/2 feet deep at its deepest, and instructions tell riders to stay=20 seated and keep their hands inside their boats. The boy, who was at the park with his mother, got on the ride by=20 himself after passing the 42-inch height requirement for riding alone=20 and was the only person in his boat, Spano said. The ride and nearby attractions were shut down after the child's=20 death. Spano said the state Department of Labor would investigate the=20 death, which was the park's second in 15 months. In May 2004, a 7-y.o. girl was killed on the park's spinning Mind=20 Scrambler ride. Investigators concluded that the girl wriggled free=20 of a restraining bar, knelt on the ride's seat and fell soon after it=20 started. Playland, a National Historic Landmark, opened in 1928. The amusement=20 park scenes in the movie "Big," starring Tom Hanks, were filmed there. The park has more than 50 rides, a pool and a beach on Long Island=20 Sound, and receives more than a million visitors a year. ------------ Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. =A9 2005 Cable News Network LP, LLLP. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:40:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6881 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:40:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:40:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Factory robot retooled as amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z5No-QQKMsZcmS4-S_dfVxL8O3yMWkSUtYHrKomzf5Xotu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 C|NET News http://news.com.com/Factory+robot+retooled+as+amusement+park+ride/2100 -1041_3-5817373.html?part=3Drss&tag=3D5817373&subj=3Dnews By Michael Kanellos Augsburg, Germany -- The Robocoaster from Germany's Kuka Roboter is a=20 modified version of one of the company's industrial robots that=20 spins, flips, twirls and swings 2 people through space with a=20 gigantic arm. "Anyone who can build cars, stack pallets, or pour=20 metal can also whirl 2 people through the air on a double seat," the=20 company literature proclaims. As an added twist, riders can program their ride, so if you want to=20 do 2 forward rolls followed by a spin your first turn on the machine,=20 and then a series of ululations leading into a short free fall the=20 next time around, you can. "If you want a ride that only spins you=20 upside down, that is what you can do," said Kevin Kozuszek, marketing=20 manager for Kuka Robot Group in the United States. Around 20 have been installed at amusement parks in the U.S. and=20 Europe. Legolands in Denmark and California have around 4-6 of the=20 systems each. While industrial robots have been around for years, inventors and=20 investors have become more excited in the past few years about the=20 possibility of an expanded market for robotics. The product is the brainstorm of one of Kuka's European employees,=20 Kozuszek said. Kuka's industrial robots exhibit a wide range of=20 motion, and can move fairly rapidly and carry a substantial amount of=20 weight. The employee surmised that if the company attached a roller- coaster seat to the end of the arm, it would simulate the motions of=20 a roller coaster. Previous Next The Robocoaster ride lasts about 1-2 minutes. Before=20 getting on, riders select the motions they would like on their ride=20 from a preset menu. There are 4 basis motions: left-to-right; up-and- down; horizontal spinning (like spinning on your heels); and vertical=20 spinning (head-over-heels). Kuka has deployed 2-seaters and a 4-seater ride is under development. The military is also examining ways to adapt the robot for flight- simulation training for pilots. "You could line up several robots to=20 do the same work as the big chamber" now used for flight simulation,=20 Kozuszek said. ---------- =A92005 CNET Networks, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:52:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42251 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:52:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:52:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Great Adventure plans to build hotel on site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5j6hT8PmqSr905w6qMjpXMHXDFTUNd8UmpeM1TkM9mJQkIY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 4, 2005 Tri-Town News http://tritown.gmnews.com/news/2005/0804/Front_Page/005.html BY JOYCE BLAY JACKSON, NJ =97 Jackson's biggest business has plans on the drawing=20 board to get bigger. Representatives of Six Flags Great Adventure, SR- 537, are expected to present an application to build the township's=20 first hotel when the Planning Board holds a special meeting at 7:30=20 p.m. today in the municipal building. The proposed 500-room hotel will be built a half-mile inside the=20 park, according to attorney Raymond Shea, who will represent SFGA.=20 Shea said the hotel will rise to a height of about 89'. He did not=20 know how many stories would be constructed in the hotel. At its July 11 meeting, the Township Committee adopted an ordinance=20 that paved the way for the construction of a hotel higher than 50' in=20 the recreational commercial zone where SFGA is located. The new=20 maximum hotel height permitted in a recreational commercial zone is=20 125', Shea said. Last year, the Zoning Board of Adjustment approved a request by=20 developer Mitch Leigh for a variance to build a 55'-tall hotel in an=20 area of Jackson Commons that was zoned for one no higher than 50'. Jackson Commons is a 2.9 million-sq-ft commercial campus on East=20 Commodore and West Commodore boulevards, near the entrance to I-195.=20 The board also approved Leigh's preliminary site plan. However, during testimony last year, Leigh's professionals said that=20 construction of a hotel in the project would begin at a later phase=20 in its anticipated buildout. Shea, who also represents Leigh, said that although many of the rides=20 at SFGA are taller than the amusement park's proposed hotel,=20 Jackson's municipal land use code would have required that a variance=20 be requested by the entertainment facility, too. Instead, he said the ordinance the committee adopted last month could=20 enable SFGA to open the hotel by spring 2007 if the Planning Board=20 approves the application it will hear tonight. "The ordinance=20 stipulates that the further the setback, the higher the hotel that=20 can be built," Shea said on Monday. "This creates a harmonious blend=20 in balance with the setting. Everything will be in scale." Shea noted that township planner Rick Ragan remarked in his review=20 letter that the architectural plans for the hotel were most=20 attractive. SFGA will not request any variances and since the committee changed=20 the hotel height requirement in the recreational commercial zone, the=20 application will be fully conforming, Shea said. According to the agenda for the Planning Board's Aug. 4 special=20 meeting, the application for the hotel was deemed complete on July=20 21. A decision is due on the application by Oct. 24. Shea indicated that SFGA's management is hopeful that a favorable=20 decision will be made by the board sooner than that date so that=20 construction can be completed within 2 years. "It's designed for full- year operation, but no representation is being made that it will be=20 open 365 days," Shea told the Tri-Town News. "They want to maintain=20 full flexibility so they can respond to market forces." SFGA is open 7 days a week through the summer and weekends through=20 the fall. -------------- =A9 2001 - 2005 Greater Media Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:59:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54817 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:59:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Decline in visitors worries Cedar Point's parent firm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cpaEb03_nONZwaoj04M8FgXRZvDwcJf0Uha730uzP-pbvuo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 Toledo Blade http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050803/BUSINESS06/508030402 SANDUSKY, OH - Attendance has dipped 4% at Cedar Point amusement park=20 so far in 2005 despite good weather, and executives say the=20 struggling economies of Ohio and Michigan are partly to blame. In a conference call with Wall Street analysts yesterday, Richard=20 Kinzel, CEO of parent Cedar Fair LP, acknowledged that executives are=20 troubled by the drop in visitors through July 31. "We're very=20 disappointed in attendance - and we're looking at reasons for it,"=20 Kinzel said during the call. The call was held 1 day after the publicly traded partnership=20 announced that 2nd-quarter profits fell 17% to $12.3 million, or 22=20 cents a share, on increased sales of $149 million. A 3% sales gain was attributed to strong business at CF's water parks=20 in a summer that has been dry & hot as well as to increased purchases=20 of food and other items by visitors to CP and other company-owned=20 amusement parks. Surveys taken in the spring suggest that high gas prices aren't a=20 factor in the attendance drop, the CEO said. He noted, however, that unemployment exceeds the national average in=20 both Ohio and Michigan, which are key markets. In Detroit, the=20 largest source of customers, there are "fears of further layoffs in=20 the auto industry," Kinzel added. In response, managers have boosted discounts and other marketing=20 targeted at people in those areas, he said. What's more, attendance patterns have been akin to a roller coaster=20 ride, the CEO conceded. "The momentum doesn't seem like it's there as=20 in past years," he added. "This past weekend was real good. It slowed=20 down [Monday]. - We have 1 good week, then it falls off the next=20 week." CP has resolved 1 problem area: a labor dispute that prompted a=20 Cleveland-area union group to call a boycott of CP and its parent=20 company's Geauga Lake amusement park in Aurora, Ohio. The dispute, with the Tri-County Building & Construction Trades=20 Council of Akron, was resolved Monday after company executives agreed=20 to give greater consideration to unionized contractors on future=20 construction projects. The dispute arose after non-union contractors were used on a water=20 park project at GL. The boycott resulted in the loss of 30,000 to=20 40,000 customers at CP and GL combined, Kinzel estimated during the=20 conference call. Overall attendance at CF's dozen parks - including Knott's Berry Farm=20 in California -was down 2%, or by 110,000 visitors, through July 31,=20 officials said. However, traffic picked up in July, when combined attendance rose 2%. ----------- =A9 2005 The Blade From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 15:07:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85312 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:07:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Tiny kids still make a splash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AjzmfH9iMbfj9fq1C_sXQ0aswmI--w6AjnZ7AeTfHqKtP7o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2005 News Day http://www.newsday.com/travel/ny-trses4370025aug07,0,5761224.story? coll=ny-travel-headlines BY DEBORAH BERRY Langhorne, PA -- Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the crew at Sesame Place are celebrating a birthday this summer. Twice a day, the whole gang from "Sesame Street," the long-running PBS kids' TV program, parades through its neighborhood at Sesame Place to commemorate the opening of the amusement park 25 years ago in suburban Langhorne, Pa., just outside Philadelphia. Like thousands of other visitors at the park one day earlier this summer, we lined up along the parade route to wait for Elmo and Big Bird. To the delight of the 3 youngsters in our group, Elmo, the Count and Big Bird sang & danced in the street, accompanied by entertainers dressed in '50s-era costumes. There were colorful floats and a huge birthday cake, too. Our 1st trip to SP wore us out. From the time we stepped into the 14- acre park shortly after it opened at 10a.m. to the evening, when we closed the park at 8, there was plenty to do. The attractions range from water rides to kiddie roller coasters to live shows starring Elmo and Mr. Noodle. Tiny kids reign here, and you know the moment you step through the gates - from the Teeny Tiny Tidal Wave to Ernie's Waterworks, it's obvious. Our group, which included 2-y.o. Amaya, 3-y.o. Myles and 4- y.o. Jalen, took full advantage of the attractions geared especially to them. They loved the water rides, particularly the Rubber Duckie Pond, which has a slide that dumped them into a shallow pool of water. Park officials said they have watched interest in water rides grow through the years, even among the park's young audience, so now there are 15 water attractions. "Water rides are important, so those elements have been added. But not everyone wants to get in the water, so there are other things to do," Shapiro said. For those less inclined to get soaked, there's Grover's World Twirl, a spinning top ride, or Ernie's Bed Bounce, similar to a "moon bounce" at fairs and carnivals. "We know our niche. . . . We know what trends are popular for this target audience," said Audrey Shapiro, director of communications and consumer marketing for SP. ------------ Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 04 16:16:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33700 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:14:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200508041614.AA897908884@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: New coasater in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=7Nous8_rdxARVyuXuuZc1kQLRnzXgeLttRo6JrWM1IDlVGVyODds X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, though. I hope the rolling stock is Millennium Flyer. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Aug 04 16:36:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5400 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.154.56612afd (15877) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542f2a68516f; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:36:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:36:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F2A672.5020401@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Kingda Ka Finally Reopening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=3PmmqSEN0MU0xZdHj7aHr7XQFmvCrQLJEWyFa3o7nFzsvydyIg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/index.asp That says it all, looks like the ride will finally reopen tommorrow. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 05:42:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75312 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 5565 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2005 12:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050805124116.5563.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:41:15 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 05:41:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200508041614.AA897908884@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=gdJntBEDgfxPv5P2BTFroxiAugM2os9s79kq60cUJBB-hQs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. > Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old > Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big > a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty > fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than > the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, > though. Yeah, they said that the Airplane drop was the inspiration for the ride. In addition, the compact nature of the Power Park layout was inspired by the internal station designs of rides like the CI Tornado. > I hope the rolling stock is Millennium Flyer. I don't think they're building them without MF's anymore, in part because I don't think PTC's can physically navigate these designs (aside from the ride they give). Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 06:05:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29930 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050805124116.5563.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9XXRDjK5NibWxAb53wxB84HcfwiHQADeUU-zgTykla7r9XhEoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > > I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. > > Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old > > Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big > > a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty > > fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than > > the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, > > though. > > Yeah, they said that the Airplane drop was the > inspiration for the ride. In addition, the compact > nature of the Power Park layout was inspired by the > internal station designs of rides like the CI Tornado. > Adam Adam, or anybody else for that matter, Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? I here about it all the time, but I can't recall ever seeing what all the fuss is about. Chris B I climbed Mt. Fuji on Wednesday. It was not very fun, but I can say I did it! From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 07:02:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 14:02:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 14:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 14:02:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:02:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.24.168.10 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89457996; y=Z4Fu0MHepd89jBVvjninCsYFCsPI5bXakz1SdmfUpe4mQTtfWabZo6xJpOBQ5II X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbaran_express > Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? If you look about 3/4 of the way down this page, there are a couple pictures. The overhead view is pretty good: http://manchesterhistory.net/bellevue/church.html From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 07:02:41 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Fri Aug 05 13:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53530 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.219.64c7382 (2519) for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <219.64c7382.30252946@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:42:46 EDT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:11:16 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Breaking News: Another Disney Death - Click Link For More Information X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=iQerJ4pcDB51tmyOT7-iJjUx_zo0m91qiV5CGl8zUBRtm_oQ2U73 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050805020509990006&ncid=NWS0 0010000000001_ (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050805020509990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 05 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3699 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 02:01:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:59:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200508051859.AA660406588@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane (was New Coaster...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=svNhxTnd9NaHtxWWN5_l2CEDEN0c2RSnXg9CSc29Q7oLu588R1sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? I here about it all the time, but I can't recall ever seeing what all the fuss is about. < The classic book "Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" has many terrific photos of it along with track schematics. (It's available from Gunther Hall, and is a must for all coaster afficianados.) The coaster is famous for several reasons. One is that it was really an artistically beautiful coaster situated next to a shore. The ride's profile was unique, with its giant "bottleneck" and hidden mass of compact track. Next to Traver's infamous Cyclone series, the ride was probably the most severe and punishing ever built, mainly because the bulk of the track was completely hidden from view. Riders had no way to prepare for the sharp twists and turns that made up most of the coaster's tight layout. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 04:42:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68251 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:42:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-CmLQvQcDTS1liZZyc2bxX8_OtJEZkCd8YnzRWGPYe2D8A7sWw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > > Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? > > If you look about 3/4 of the way down this page, there are a couple > pictures. The overhead view is pretty good: > > http://manchesterhistory.net/bellevue/church.html Chris, thanks for the pic. It certainly looks cool, I don't think I've ever seen a triangular woodie before. Jay, I'll see about getting the book, I'll check Amazon and B&N for starters. I hope Karen is feeling better. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 04:50:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6451 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:50:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:50:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508051859.AA660406588@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane (was New Coaster...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3ZtEo3RxmyyQ3xSVgq6tsBWtTymfdoGC4ha3EEd7S-HV1EQucw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > The classic book "Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" has many terrific photos of it along with track schematics. (It's available from Gunther Hall, and is a must for all coaster afficianados.) > > Jay OUCH! It's $200 on Amazon, and not available from B&N.com. Oh well. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 06:22:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98261 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 41116 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050806132204.41114.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 06:22:04 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 06:22:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Hurricane Harbor turns roads into a disaster area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Mt3yXl-dWDh1GZHTWK62zG5nYBay0J0sM0jU86f6Jnz0t4I X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Hurricane Harbor turns roads into a disaster area By Bob Susnjara Daily Herald Staff Writer Posted Friday, August 05, 2005 Six Flags Great America’s renewed popularity has brought with it an onslaught of weekend traffic headaches for drivers heading north to the Gurnee theme park and points beyond. Great America is on pace to draw at least 3 million visitors, about 500,000 more than last year, according to Gurnee Village Administrator James Hayner. Great America hasn’t drawn 3 million patrons since 1999, he said. It’s believed the new water park, Hurricane Harbor, is responsible for the surge. One of the most popular routes to Great America is the Tri-State Tollway, especially for visitors from south of Lake County. Some northbound drivers report weekend traffic jams starting at Route 22 — roughly 10 miles from Great America — then easing after the east Grand Avenue exit near the park. Gurnee police Cmdr. Jay Patrick said the Great America traffic congestion has occurred from 9:30 a.m. to noon for the past several weekends. He said extra police will be on the street this weekend to keep traffic moving through intersections near the theme park, such as Dilley’s Road and Grand Avenue. Traffic tieups are common on the weekends around Great America on Interstate 294. “We haven’t had to deal with this for several years,†Patrick said. Candace Fujii, who lives near Great America, said she’s noticed “road rage†on the eastbound Grand Avenue ramp during her weekend morning travels. “People laying on their horns; people flipping each other off,†Fujii said. Messages flashed on a sign well before the east Grand Avenue exit warn northbound tollway drivers of ramp backups. The sign was installed in 2001 in reaction to a crash that killed three Iowa family members at the ramp a year earlier. However, Great America-related weekend traffic jams aren’t confined to the Grand Avenue tollway exit. Patrick said it’s been slow going for drivers on Grand Avenue heading west to Great America from Route 41. Some Gurnee officials attribute the problems to drivers bypassing higher tollway fees in favor of Route 41. “We’ve never had an east-to-west issue before,†said Hayner, a lifelong 52-year Gurnee resident. Tollway spokeswoman Joelle McGinnis said the numbers don’t back the idea that higher fees are prodding drivers into fleeing the Tri-State for Route 41 on weekends. Sport-utility vehicles, minivans and cars account for a minimal 2.1 percent drop in tollway transactions since the increased rates became effective in January, McGinnis said. The study covered January through June. Meanwhile, Gurnee’s bottom line will get fatter with Great America’s attendance jump. Gurnee collects a 3 percent amusement tax on Great America tickets, which is why the park must provide attendance numbers to village government. Excluding various promotional deals, a ticket costs $44.99. Hayner said Great America’s Saturday and Sunday crowds have averaged 40,000 to 45,000 for most of the summer season. Great America and its parent company, Six Flags Inc., don’t release attendance figures to the public. Great America spokeswoman Katie Goodale would only say the park seems “more popular†since Hurricane Harbor opened this year. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 07:17:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33303 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 87078 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 14:17:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050806141739.87076.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:17:39 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: Pandemonium Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=LbMgfwcecim3r2OGx3wefWkOvMZArzrQMXHpHV3mTgcfH7s X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested, a video of SFNE's Pandemonioum is up at the Gerstlauer website: http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/ (direct link http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/video/Spinning-Coaster_SFNE.wmv) Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Aug 06 11:33:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18048 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 18:33:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:31:37 -0700 Message-Id: <200508061131.AA2451832890@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Tr_CXyN3wQpXc1TSOQ6xj4OSnmRtYXzFf_xKLQF-1kfeaU5sQ4UL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >OUCH! It's $200 on Amazon, and not available from B&N.com. >Oh well. < Again, I suggest trying Gunther Hall. > http://www.guntherhall.com < They got exclusive rights to re-publish the book. (It was originally a production of ACE in conjunction with the author, Richard Munch.) It was listed in GH's last catalogue that I was sent and I think it was only about $30. But I noticed it's no longer listed on their website. It may have slipped back out of production. But it may be worth giving GH a call. Gunther Hall Limited PO Box 140 Alton Bay NH 0381 (603) 875-2248 And Karen is doing okay now. Thanks for asking. We might even be able take in one more park before the summer ends! (But, alas, no roller coaster riding....) Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 07 12:08:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66922 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.204.740cb9f (3310) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <204.740cb9f.3027b62d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:08:29 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: (no subject) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=gA9rmsZOZQN9bkFjmwxX-6ZQc9cZB-4ACmRN8tsKjV4hvMaN4Rni X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People: My mom Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Me (15) We arrived at the park around 2:30 PM. When we got to the toll, they told u= s=20 to go to the back parking lot. We went in the back entrance. We relized how= =20 crowded the park was, so we went to guest relations to get the handicap pas= s. My=20 sister has arthritis. First we walked over to Le Cobra. This season Savannah reached 54 inches. W= e=20 walked up the exit, and told us to come back at 3. We decided to go on Orbi= te=20 becuase Savannah had never been on an S&S Space Shot. It was great. Savanna= h=20 screamed the whole time, but she loved it. But Savannah started not to feel= =20 well. And started complaning . From Orbite, we saw that Le Boomerang got st= uck on=20 the first lift. And it kept moving back and forth. So Boomerang was out of= =20 the question, for now. Anthony and I decided to ride Le Vampire. We still prefer Batman The Ride.= =20 But it's no where is good as Talon. After that. We sat down and ate. Poutin= e=20 rocks! Le Vampire got stuck before we got on it. But it was only for one mi= nute.=20 Anthony and I couldn't go on Le Cobra with out Savannah. So we skipped it. = We=20 went in the Nintendo Dome. We all wanted to go on Bob L'=E9ponge 3D, so we tried it. We all hated it. = I'll=20 never go on this again! I don't like Spongebob that much, but that's not th= =20 reason. There were three preshows. The first one was just the main menu of = the=20 Spongebob movie. The main theater was much bigger. And it had a balcony for= =20 little kids who can't use the seats. The main reason we hated it was the=20 harnesses. Yes! This ride had OTSR! They hurt! Also is was alot shakier, an= d the=20 vibration when the jellyfish stings you, was so hard, that it made me screa= m! It=20 reminded me of The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. We heard thunder, so Savannah, Anthony and I ran to Le Monstre. We got the= =20 last car on track 1. i got on ride footage of it. There are NO camera rules= La=20 Ronde. I don't care if this coaster has Morgan trains, it still rocks! After that we ran to Super Man=E8ge. Got an other POV. It was a little roug= her=20 than usual but still good. After that I went on Manitou. Wow this gives you= =20 excellent airtime! Boomerang reopened. And i was the only one with this cre= dit.=20 But no one wanted to go on it because it was breaking like crazy. I went on= by=20 myself. Wow this ride sucks! It hurt really bad. It bounced up and down like a real= ly=20 bad wooden coaster. I have on-ride footage from it though. After I got off,= =20 it got stuck on the second lift and it sat there for one mintue and rolled = back=20 two feet and sat there for an other ten minutes. Than Super Man=E8ge got st= uck=20 on the top of the lift for the fourth time.=20 After that we went on Le Dragon. This is still one of my favorite indoor=20 coasters. I got an other POV. After that we went on the Minirail. We took o= ne and=20 a half laps. We got off and went on L'Pitoune. We didn't get wet.=20 After that. Savannah braved up and said, I'll go on Le Cobra. She figured s= he=20 should get on her first stand up coaster. Getting in the stand up seats,=20 Savannah was freaking out a little. Going up the lift she was a bit nervous= . Me an=20 Anthony put our hands up. Savannah screamed. And than we were both in shock= .=20 Savannah put her hands up in the loop. This was the best ride I ever had on= =20 this ride. Savannah was so happy she rode it.=20 Then we went on Le Vampire. Savannah loved this, and put her hands up on th= is=20 too. Savannah and I went on Orbite again after Le Vampire. It was good.=20 Savannah loves Vekoma! Expecially there Boomerangs, so we went on Le boomer= ang.=20 Anthony doesn't care for Boomerangs, so it was just us two. I still don't l= ike=20 this ride. But Savannah likes it. She's now been on three Boomrangs.=20 Anthony, Savannah and I went on Le Monstre again. But we waited for the=20 fron't row. It was good. Savannah and mom went on Le Spirale. So Anthony an= d I went=20 on Le Dragon again.=20 After that. Savannah and Anthony took a ride on Condor. After that. Savanna= h,=20 Anthony and I got our credit on La Marche du Mille-pattes. Wow this ride is= =20 good. It's a kiddie coaster with great airtime!=20 Mom, Savannah, Anthony and I took a ride on Joyeux Moussaillons. It was nic= e.=20 Except at the end. Savannah and I got soaked on the little hill. While=20 Anthony and mom laughed at us. The park closed so we went home. -Dainan Rafferty webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 07 12:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40131 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 19:10:53 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.156.56723682 (3310) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156.56723682.3027b6b1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:10:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: TR: La Ronde 8/2/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=38U9toNtdQ0mVBHnRtJO65Pfts4IzXq-ZCPpG5brVCYFxophIKw2 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People: My mom Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Me (15) We arrived at the park around 2:30 PM. When we got to the toll, they told u= s=20 to go to the back parking lot. We went in the back entrance. We relized how= =20 crowded the park was, so we went to guest relations to get the handicap pas= s.=20 My=20 sister has arthritis. First we walked over to Le Cobra. This season Savannah reached 54 inches. W= e=20 walked up the exit, and told us to come back at 3. We decided to go on Orbi= te=20 becuase Savannah had never been on an S&S Space Shot. It was great. Savanna= h=20 screamed the whole time, but she loved it. But Savannah started not to feel= =20 well. And started complaning . From Orbite, we saw that Le Boomerang got=20 stuck on=20 the first lift. And it kept moving back and forth. So Boomerang was out of= =20 the question, for now. Anthony and I decided to ride Le Vampire. We still prefer Batman The Ride.= =20 But it's no where is good as Talon. After that. We sat down and ate. Poutin= e=20 rocks! Le Vampire got stuck before we got on it. But it was only for one=20 minute.=20 Anthony and I couldn't go on Le Cobra with out Savannah. So we skipped it. = We=20 went in the Nintendo Dome. We all wanted to go on Bob L'=E9ponge 3D, so we tried it. We all hated it. = I'll=20 never go on this again! I don't like Spongebob that much, but that's not th= =20 reason. There were three preshows. The first one was just the main menu of= =20 the=20 Spongebob movie. The main theater was much bigger. And it had a balcony for= =20 little kids who can't use the seats. The main reason we hated it was the=20 harnesses. Yes! This ride had OTSR! They hurt! Also is was alot shakier, an= d=20 the=20 vibration when the jellyfish stings you, was so hard, that it made me screa= m!=20 It=20 reminded me of The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. We heard thunder, so Savannah, Anthony and I ran to Le Monstre. We got the= =20 last car on track 1. i got on ride footage of it. There are NO camera rules= =20 La=20 Ronde. I don't care if this coaster has Morgan trains, it still rocks! After that we ran to Super Man=E8ge. Got an other POV. It was a little roug= her=20 than usual but still good. After that I went on Manitou. Wow this gives you= =20 excellent airtime! Boomerang reopened. And i was the only one with this=20 credit.=20 But no one wanted to go on it because it was breaking like crazy. I went on= =20 by=20 myself. Wow this ride sucks! It hurt really bad. It bounced up and down like a real= ly=20 bad wooden coaster. I have on-ride footage from it though. After I got off,= =20 it got stuck on the second lift and it sat there for one mintue and rolled= =20 back=20 two feet and sat there for an other ten minutes. Than Super Man=E8ge got st= uck=20 on the top of the lift for the fourth time.=20 After that we went on Le Dragon. This is still one of my favorite indoor=20 coasters. I got an other POV. After that we went on the Minirail. We took o= ne=20 and=20 a half laps. We got off and went on L'Pitoune. We didn't get wet.=20 After that. Savannah braved up and said, I'll go on Le Cobra. She figured s= he=20 should get on her first stand up coaster. Getting in the stand up seats,=20 Savannah was freaking out a little. Going up the lift she was a bit nervous= .=20 Me an=20 Anthony put our hands up. Savannah screamed. And than we were both in shock= .=20 Savannah put her hands up in the loop. This was the best ride I ever had on= =20 this ride. Savannah was so happy she rode it.=20 Then we went on Le Vampire. Savannah loved this, and put her hands up on th= is=20 too. Savannah and I went on Orbite again after Le Vampire. It was good.=20 Savannah loves Vekoma! Expecially there Boomerangs, so we went on Le=20 boomerang.=20 Anthony doesn't care for Boomerangs, so it was just us two. I still don't=20 like=20 this ride. But Savannah likes it. She's now been on three Boomrangs.=20 Anthony, Savannah and I went on Le Monstre again. But we waited for the=20 fron't row. It was good. Savannah and mom went on Le Spirale. So Anthony an= d=20 I went=20 on Le Dragon again.=20 After that. Savannah and Anthony took a ride on Condor. After that. Savanna= h,=20 Anthony and I got our credit on La Marche du Mille-pattes. Wow this ride is= =20 good. It's a kiddie coaster with great airtime!=20 Mom, Savannah, Anthony and I took a ride on Joyeux Moussaillons. It was nic= e.=20 Except at the end. Savannah and I got soaked on the little hill. While=20 Anthony and mom laughed at us. The park closed so we went home. -Dainan Rafferty webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 14:25:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2694 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 21:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 21:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 21:25:38 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.b9.5d772fba (15877) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542f67c44268; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:25:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:25:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Message-ID: <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=URYHJqKM17LH1RBHP-MtqMxcsUwTeuC9j2QuZo5h4SwpeW3P4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo I am a little behind here :P Mark Oldfield wrote on 7/26/2005, 8:15 PM: > Agree that Hydra fails to impress, it's too small/short and aside from > the bizarre start has no real stand-out/memorable moments. Dominator > is a much better ride and the only floorless I really like (yes, much > more than Medusa). I'll take a B&M inverted over a floorless any day, > hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! Why? There is nothing wrong with the floorless, just a different concept. Just like an invert, it can be done very well, and not well at all. Hydra uses the concept poorly. Where is could have ground hugging turns and spins, it does not. It has a weak finish, and only one really standout feature, and that is before the lift. Does it make the whole concept of a floorless bad, I don't think so. But, hey, maybe I am just spoiled by having Medusa close by. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 14:42:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44982 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.12b.6294dfc0 (15889) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1142f680491a; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:42:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:42:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Message-ID: <42F68031.1020409@aol.com> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=4-Oz-g9Bkf4MEKBUQy43Owl4M8n6MQn-HUBXkNncbH0VFyECvg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mark Oldfield wrote on 7/26/2005, 9:13 PM: > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). In the long run, does it matter. What really matters is will the general public be interested in the ride. If it is something bold and different, then yes, even if it is a clone. Do you think the poeple standing in a five hour line right now for Kingda Ka care if there is another coaster very similar to it at Cedar Point. Most of those poeple have never even heard of Cedar Point, or if they have, it is "that big park in Ohio" (I get that alot). It is still new to them. I never understood what all the fuss over clones is about. I mean, really, the park isn't making money off of people like us, they are making money off of the families, or the thrill seekers, or the locals that go to the annual company picnic. They don't care what we think, and that is how it should be. A clone is still going to add to their bottom line, it is going to give them something most of their visitors have never seen before, and usually it is a decent ride to boot, even the dime a dozen boomerangs are crowd pleasers. > A park like HW adds > their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. And that is fine, because it is not your visit that counts, it is everyone else's visit that counts. SFGAm could put in a Medusa clone, and guess what, their attendence would go up. My money would be on more water slides though, since that seems to be working pretty well for them right now. > Much > prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Have to admit > tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and SFoG for next > year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From edboxer@aol.com Sun Aug 07 17:23:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: EdBoxer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40860 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from EdBoxer@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.7b.4ac3f7a5 (48600) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:22:55 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5016 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: edboxer@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21551662; y=6Nv2GA7O3g1uOKUuQsaaxcqtZSyhf9NpaKPcVuJ7bm7Akw X-Yahoo-Profile: edboxer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I spent Friday and Saturday at Dorney, and while Hydra is not as good as Dominator, in some ways I liked it more. The roll out of the station is cool. I also liked the use of the terrain in that you never knew how far down the next drop was. It keeps it interesting. And all the "families" were loving it. I believe I read here that some found it to be too slow (correct me if I am wrong). Speed is not an issue, in fact the speed it goes through the two corkscrews is almost painful in the back row outside seats (but nowhere near as painful as Dominator's corkscrews. In fact, it seems to have enough speed to have added a loop after the Cobra and twisted floater. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 7. Is it my number one floorless, no. But its a fun ride. And no matter what, its 100 times better than Hercules!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 17:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21442 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 00:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 00:54:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:54:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=w4yURKAHgxGEdXEid0mRqktQxyMWZUOKUvZir8hiQj1Z2u84mw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park July 30, 2005 Sunny, hot and hazy The photo intigrated version can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/9zkgj Kinda like the tale of two parks, maybe. On Saturday, July 30, I decided to go for a ride to the Harrisburg area and visit two parks I have not been to in a little while, Twin Grove Park, which was had shut down, and the last and only time I had visited it was during an auction a few years ago, and Williams Grove park, which is a strange and wonderful park that is lost in time, and has the most frightening coaster on the planet, The Cyclone. I actually started the day with a little hike. I stopped in Mount Gretna, just off the Turnpike, and hiked up to the Governor Dick Tower, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30395727-M.jpg about a 1.3 mile hike up Governor Dick hill, and then another 66 foot climb to the top of the tower, all of this in order to spot the location of a letterbox. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30395720-M.jpg It was worth it, offering some nice views. There is something about watching hawks fly below me that I find fascinating. I am told on a clear day, you can see Hersheypark from the tower. This was not a clear day. In any case, I found the letterbox, and stolled back down. Just as an aside, some may be wondering who Governor Dick might have been. Well, turns out he was not a governor at all, but rather a laborer from the local Cornwall Furnace. Everyone called him "Governor", and for some reason or another the land was named such. The tower was built some years afterwards, in 1954 to be exact, and was in very good shape when I visited. Oh well, enough of the history lesson, back the the report. I ventured northward to Pine Grove, near Fort Indiantown Gap, where Twin Grove park is. The park itself is now a large KOA campground, with a new restaurant, large pool, ice cream shop, and a few rides, including a carousel, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378750-M.jpg ferris wheel, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378748-M.jpg kiddie whip http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378755-M.jpg and what I was really there to see, and hopefully ride, the Airplane ride, AKA, the only existing Traver Circle Swing left. I would be somewhat disappointed, the ride was not yet running, but it did go from looking like this, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/18452665-M.jpg to looking like this: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378768-M.jpg It is a lovely sight, and I can't wait until it is finally put back into operation and running again. Truly a fine piece of amusement park history. The whole area looks much improved since my last visit. They have constructed a new band shell, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378749-M.jpg a fantastic carousel building, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378764-M.jpg and an arcade. I have also read they have a Cuddle Up in storage that they hope to restore and run sometime next season. I left the park and headed across the street to Swatara State Park for more letterboxes (a nice 3 mile walk) and then headed to Williams Grove Park, arriving there at about 6. I found Ms Hughs at the front gate collecting the cash box, and asked if she wanted my admission (a mere $3 if I recall), and in her thick German accent she just says on no, just head on in. OK, no problem, I head over to the mushroom and get a few ride tickets, and then head off to the Cyclone, where I hopped into the front seat. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379352-M.jpg I have said it before, and I will say it again, the Cyclone at Williams Grove Park is the scariest coaster on the face of the planet. It is not the tallest, nor the fastest, nor even the most violent (though I would stay out of the back seat if I were you), it simply looks like it is going to fall out from under you at any moment. And nothing has this effect more dramatically then the front seat. You can see the track that is out of alignment, bowing this way and that, the steel rail cobbled on there, and the brutal little dips where the track has sagged over the years. I am in constant amazement the ride passes inspection. But, all that said, it is still a fun ride, with a good allotment of intense ejector air, and even a few nasty laterals for good measure. After my one ride, I decided I would not tempt fate again, and instead, got a good number of photos, and then headed over to the gift shop, where I found the appropriate "I Survived the Williams Grove Cyclone" shirt. At least the park has a sense of humor. (A few years ago, Ms Hughs asked me how the coaster was running that day, and I said something to the effect of about the usual, to which she responded, "Oh, you don't have to be so nice about it") http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379391-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379382-M.jpg I headed over to the other side of the park to ride the Wildcat. The ride may not look like much, but it does run very well, and is a tremendous amount of fun. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379367-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379368-M.jpg I caught a ride on the Tilt, I love Tilts, and then Dante's Inferno, which is not a great darkride by any stretch of the imagination, but at least all of the stunts worked, before finishing the night out on the Twister. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379354-M.jpg The Twister is a ride that can be driven, and the operator at the controls that night was particularly evil. The cycle lasted a solid ten minutes, and he made sure everyone got their fill of spinning on the ride. He did stop the ride once to let a girl off, who promptly went to a nearby fence where she somehow managed to hold onto whatever was in her stomach. Now, that is how a ride should be. And so I left the way back machine that is Williams Grove, and hit the modern-day Turnpike, and an hour and half later I was back home. For some reason I really like that little park, it is run down, and quirky, but offers a good day out, or in this case just a few hours. Complete photo galleries can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/697647 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/697655 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/457197 -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 18:04:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6693 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.12e.63784366 (15876) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442f6af82b6; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:04:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:03:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <42F6AF69.7020708@aol.com> References: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=B7Ugwa7lmzjG9iRNMIer48LQTskMn3zDuuR0YAKHBOIUDovGqw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo edboxer@aol.com wrote on 8/7/2005, 8:22 PM: > > And no matter what, its 100 times better than Hercules!!! Amen brother! -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 07 19:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48420 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:19:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HpByAWEN8vZa6jId5CIX0uaIYC4uf6eU6H1c9e3CuXlBhmnp7A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: Williams Grove park, which is a strange > and wonderful park that is lost in time, It reminded me of Camp Crystal Lake! > I have said it before, and I will say it again, the Cyclone at > Williams Grove Park is the scariest coaster on the face of the planet. > It is not the tallest, nor the fastest, nor even the most violent > (though I would stay out of the back seat if I were you), it simply > looks like it is going to fall out from under you at any moment. And > nothing has this effect more dramatically then the front seat. You > can see the track that is out of alignment, bowing this way and that, > the steel rail cobbled on there, and the brutal little dips where the > track has sagged over the years. I am in constant amazement the ride > passes inspection. But, all that said, it is still a fun ride, with a > good allotment of intense ejector air, and even a few nasty laterals > for good measure. > Nathan Brown I rode the back row first. I thought I was going to be paralyzed when it cracked my entire back from the intense jackhammering on the second drop. Like a fool, I rerode it immediately, in the front row, and although less painful, this is by no means a gentle coaster. I wish I had seen the "I survived..." shirts, because they certainly fit the experience. IMO, it is the worst ACE Coaster Classic I have been on! Chris B From filipm2@rpi.edu Sun Aug 07 19:21:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41978 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.83]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a42f6c199303; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:21:13 -0500 Received: from [172.150.137.217] (AC9689D9.ipt.aol.com [172.150.137.217]) by smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j782L6Sa003402 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:21:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0C9CF55F-A0D6-452D-B049-58C8615C08F2@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:23:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.83 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: TR: Hersheypark - 7-30-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=zV8XiecZ4C4O77c70CTZLBFhAxpAMnksJntB6G4mSKl96oBLWBSm X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Hersheypark Saturday, 7/30/2005 Weather: Humid and very hot Crowds: Very heavy Most people already know about this park, so I'll try to review the stuff thats not often reviewed. It was me and my mom that went. I normally go there once a year, and its also my former homepark - I used to live in Lancaster in when I was in 1st and 2nd grade (~1992). Comet was the first major coaster I rode, and Sooperdooperlooper was the first looping one. I went to the park on Friday night at 7:30, bought tickets, and got in the park. I'm not sure how many people know about this, but at Hershey, if you purchase tickets for the next day, they let you in 2.5 hours before the park closes on that night... they call it the "preview plan" or something like that. Tickets were like $40. We didn't do much friday night, rode Lightning Racer and walked around for a bit. On Saturday, we got there at 11 (park opens at 10), and the parking lot was really full already. Hershey has a pretty good tram system. They have two or three tram stops in the parking lot, and a dedicated road just for the trams. The person in the back on some of the trams would give a Jungle Cruise-esque talk about Hershey, and some of the things you see on the way to the park... Hershey Hotel, the old Senior High, etc. The only bad thing is that the speakers on the tram are crappy and its hard to hear the person talking. And sometimes along the ride it would start smelling really bad like exhaust. I'd give the tram a 6/10... beats the hell out of walking, and the nice dedicated road for the trams. But there's room for improvement. At the park, you walk through a little village filled with stores and a restaurant or two. There are also people greeting you on the way in. This is way better than Six Flags, and not the same, but easily on par with Disney parks. Definitely gets you in a good mood. Park entrance before the gates: 10/10. I can't remember which order I went on what. We walked back and forth across the park a couple times going on different things. I went on Great Bear a couple times, which I think is one of the most underrated rides out there. I don't think its as good as Batman, and I haven't been on Talon, but its still a wicked good ride. It doesn't really do too much, but all the inversions are awesome, and the turnaround over the river and the turns up into the corkscrew I think couldn't have been designed better. I rode in the 2nd seat for the first time while I was there, before I had always ridden in the back. I think the back gives the best ride, but the front gives a much better view, obviously... but I think the visuals and location make it a better front seat view than something like Batman, which is just gravel. Great Bear: 8/10. Now, on the Great Bear queue, I was thirsty, and they have two vending machines there. I saw one had Tropicana Fruit Punch, so I went to get that. It was $2.50, a total rip-off for a 20 oz. bottle. Anyways, this vending machine blew ass. It has this arm thing that goes up and grabs the bottle, then puts it in a little drawer off to the side that you open. So, this hugely complex over done thing, naturally doesn't work, the bottle gets jammed, falls to the bottom, and theres no way to get it out. It's hard to explain. And I lost my money. Anyway, take my word for it, this thing was an enormous piece of crap, worst vending machine ever designed by far. Later in the day, on another ride, the arm that grabbed the bottles was totally broken, so I was a little happy. I went to guest services at the end of the day, which didn't have a line at all, and they gladly gave me my money back without any questions. Great Bear Vending Machine: 0/10... Hershey Guest Services: 10/10. I also went on Stormrunner, their Intamin rocket coaster. Now, let me just say, I don't really like Intamin, but I didn't really hold it against them, and was looking forward to getting on this ride. Now, having said that, what a piece of crap this ride is. First, their crappy engineering. The trains are by far the worst part about this ride, and they suck really bad. First, they are almost impossible to move through. I had a really hard time getting in and out of them, trying to get around the open restraints, and random handles they have on the back of the seats for no apparent reason. I'd be surprised if someone hasn't fallen and injured themselves trying to get in or out of the car yet, and if not, I won't be surprised when it does happen. And the restraints, the they are terrible, and the worst restraints I have ever experienced, except maybe the ones on Big Bad Wolf and Loch Ness at BGW. I'm 6'2'', and when I got in for the first time, and leaned forward, I said, wow, these are really hard. The OSTR part only looks like its made of flimsy metal sheet, not an actual bar, but its surprisingly stiff in the shoulder area. For the launch they're fine, but with Intamin's throw-you-out-of-the-car airtime, it killed my collarbones. The first time I went on it, for the entire second half of the ride, especially through the zero-g rolls, I was in really bad pain, and all I remember thinking is, "MAKE IT STOP". I rode again later and put my hands in between the OSTRs and my shoulders, and that helped out a lot. My shoulders were sore for a couple days afterwards from that, and had some weird looking bruises on them. Also, there is a pathway under the launch track, with lots of exposed wires. Not exposed like the copper part, but exposed to guests. If I wanted to, I could have jumped up and started pulling on them, or climbed a nearby wall. I'm really surprised Hershey hasn't put some sort of cover over them. For the actual ride, the launch is absolutely fantastic, and the top hat is good. After that, the ride just dies. You go through a couple inversions that are very jerky, and not really natural, smooth motions. The worst offender of this is the dip under the monorail track, and the train goes into this turn that is way overbanked, and the first time I rode I got slammed around a little because I wasn't ready for the train banking so rapidly. The ride seems to be pretty popular with the GP however. And throughout the day, I didn't see it roll back or break down at all. And probably the best thing (other than the launch) about the ride was the on ride picture system. Instead of one camera snapping pictures of every row really fast, they have a row of 10 cameras that all take a picture of every car in the train at the same time. Besides being easier on a launched coaster because they don't have to deal with shortening intervals between snapping pictures, it should allow for higher resolution and quality images, which it looks like there were from the photo booth monitors (I didn't get one though, so not sure how well they print out). Overall, the ride was a good concept, and if it wasn't built by an ehhhh engineering firm, it probably would've come out really good. Stormrunner: 3/10. I went on the Comet in 2.1 later on in the day. This ride is in major need of a refurbishment. A while back I recall someone talking about how they wanted to add fin brakes to the ride, because now they use these friction brakes... basically two pads on the train, and two pads on the track come up and press on them. They're very gentle, sort of like magnetic brakes, but its hard for the operator to line up, and kills some dispatching time. The ride is especially in need of a retracking. In 2.1, on some parts of the ride where the train was going slower (<5mph), you can feel the car twisting along the axis parallel to the track. I've never felt this on any other ride I've been on, and its probably not very good for the train or the track. The ride itself is pretty good, and not that bumpy compared to other wooden coasters out there, but its a little unnerving when your wondering if the car will fly apart in the middle of the ride. Get GCI in there to do a retracking job, and the coaster will be great. Soooperdooperlooper is still running surprisingly smooth. The pullout from the loop is very intense, and the rest of the ride is like the last 1/8 of Great Bear... just seems to be getting back to the station. Its a great ride for younger people. Lightning Racer is still running really good. There was a little micro-jackhammering going on, but its painful at all, and I think it just makes it feel like the coaster is going faster. Lightning won almost every time, and I think is the better ride. The park was really crowded, but Hershey seemed to do a great job of handling the crowds. There were employees everywhere, and people with little carts walking around with popcorn and soda and all that stuff. But it was still insanely hot, and I wound up going out of the park for a couple hours and back to the hotel just to cool off. Most of the other rides can be found at most other parks, and I can't think of too much more to talk about. Overall, Hershey is a great park, and they do an excellent job of trying to make sure everyone is having a good time. Chocolate World, of course, is also really good, and free chocolate at the end of the tour ride is awesome. Speaking of the tour ride, it looked like they were renovating the last scene of the ride since there wasn't much there compared to what it normally is. But if you're in the area, check this park out... they're definitely now on the same level as the Anheuser-Busch parks, if not better. Mike From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 07:37:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54335 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 14:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 14:36:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:36:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=C9Iadfw3xodURno0WPdncB3huofroguGG3FgyMFSrdjIm3Bf7dpaW20 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 08 08:01:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56283 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 15:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 15:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 15:01:26 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2005 11:00:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,174,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="65637665:sNHT28167684" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j78ExpTa026265 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:17 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:00:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 15:00:17.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[E33EE7F0:01C59C29] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=IZGfmgqzcgkiKO0O3lpFBC3gBBFHXxwu-45ZZizbaA8WHXBu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, A friend of mine took these at Kings Dominion when he was a kid, and recently scanned them all: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/kings_dominion_1978/ I've never been to that park, but I particularly liked the first few from the tower. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Are we * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** there yet?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 08 10:26:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13633 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-62-5-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.62.5.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080816391701300ck5lce>; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:39:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: TR: Mall of America, Valleyfair, Dells X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=yPBj0LDRP1Tt5tQzxzzTEeBvTI1pbnr3z36JuO1HhJtlPRSvuz2foQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Was in Minneapolis last weekend so hit the area parks with friends... Mall of America -- new spinny thing (Timberland Twister, Zamperla spinning coaster) is a lot of fun and well-placed. Ripsaw is, well, Ripsaw, which is to say just fine for what it is. Crazy long trains. Valleyfair -- For having a pretty good variety of coasters, they sure do have a lot of mediocrity. Wild Thing (Morgan hyper) is still a lot of fun. High Roller (NAD wooden out-and-back) is simply a reminder of what it once was. Excalibur (Arrow mine train sort of) is weird but entertaining. And I enjoyed Steel Venom (Intamin inverted launched shuttle), which was my first of those launches besides Volcano. Dells -- Hades (Gravity Group, in-house construction) is awesome. Hard to say how it compares to my other top wooden coasters (Boulderdash, Raven, Shivering Timbers, CI Cyclone) but it's certainly right up there. Disorienting, fast as hell, and those tunnels...well, they're insane. Also, I think it was my 150th coaster. Cyclops (CCI) is aging fine - just as fun as ever. Zeus (CCI) is not aging well. Rough and no longer out in the woods. Very sad; this used to be a favorite of mine. Pegasus (CCI junior) has added "rough" to "boring" on its list of features. Dive to Atlantis (Hopkins) is dumb and wet, and has the cheapest water stunt ever -- literally a faucet open next to the trough pouring on you. Avalanche (S&S wood division) is funny. The air time is incredible, the curves are painful, and the ride will probably be unrideable within about five years unless it's seriously well-maintained. (Maintenance is a concern for Hades too, especially in the helices at the end.) The Galaxi at Riverview is AWESOME. Totally rocked my world. Took S:ROS out of the top spot. Oh, wait, it's not and it didn't. It's a Galaxi. Just got confused for a minute there. -Bill From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 10:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34642 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:54:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:53:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X8_SX5_1aDm3rRb_iZC9oQsnHRK2s4QXXlTsuczWmvd-91I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 8, 2005 El Paso Times http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050808/NEWS/508080329/1001 by David Crowder El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in=20 Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement=20 park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. Cook said the trip by his executive assistant Matthew Briones and his=20 economic summit coordinator Oscar Gonzalez to the "Roller coaster=20 Capital of America" was paid for by former City Council candidate=20 Alan Serna. Serna "wanted to do it because he thinks El Paso needs a major=20 tourist venue and an amusement park," Cook said. That was surprising news to Western Playland Amusement Park's=20 president and co-owner Pat Thomson, who intends to move most of the=20 rides now at Western Playland's Ascarate Park site to Sunland Park=20 and open there next spring. Thomson said he is also a little surprised that he wasn't invited to=20 take part in the tourism piece of the mayor's coming regional=20 economic summit. "It might not be a bad idea to go," Thomson=20 said. "I've never been invited to any of these things and only hear=20 about them in the paper. "We probably have one of the biggest tourist attractions in El Paso,=20 and no one has asked if I want to be involved." Cook said he thought Thomson was invited. Thomson, who is bitter that the county has confined his 45-y.o.=20 amusement park to 13 acres at Ascarate Park for the past 20 years=20 despite 3 efforts to expand it, said he thinks he has something to=20 offer to the tourism discussion if the Cook administration is really=20 interested in a regional approach. "Is this a good place for an=20 amusement park? Yes, and I've got it," Thomson said. "I've been here=20 for 45 years, paid my taxes every year and done a lot in the=20 community, and now they want to bring in someone to compete with me?" Thomson said that he has a 60-acre site across the road from Sunland=20 Park Racetrack & Casino and that he won't be hampered in his growth=20 by the rent - 10% of gross receipts - that El Paso County is charging=20 him at Ascarate Park. "Sunland Park is going to have a nice=20 entertainment center with the racetrack and casino and Western=20 Playland," he said. "That's something El Paso should look at." ------------- =A9 2005 El Paso Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 10:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52817 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:56:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:56:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:56:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1057 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park safety tips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7LnPkkq8wLMrub5Z74FYKZoCY9BziVh6KMrgCegQoF5hz54 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 5, 2005 The Advocate http://www.norwalkadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa- safety2aaug05,0,1733928.story?coll=3Dnor-news-local-headlines In New York state, the Department of Labor enforces amusement ride=20 safety. Each year, it inspects about 1,700 rides at 110 amusement=20 parks and 900 carnivals. It recommends the following safety tips for=20 adults taking children to an amusement park: * Don't assume a ride is safe for children if you hold them. If you=20 are holding your child, you are not looking after yourself, and both=20 of you could be at risk. * Observe age, height and weight restrictions. * Talk to children so they know what to expect of the ride. * If your child gets scared, ask, if possible, that the ride be=20 stopped. * If your child is afraid of the ride, it's best to avoid it. * For water rides, do not run on decks or other areas surrounding=20 pools. On water slides, follow instructions and leave the bottom of=20 the pool quickly. Use flotation devices when needed. -------------- =A9 2005, Southern Connecticut Newspapers, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71987 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:10:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Plans revealed for ocean theme park at Ko Olina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BmmW0nSkZJOovXY4v1LLSW_Sw_kXLjzFZkeae-51JtIuMUc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 8, 2005 The Honolulu Advertiser http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/08/ln/508080337.htm l By Rod Ohira O'ahu, Hawaii -- A young boy wearing a Harry Potter hat approached Ko=20 Olina Resort & Marina VP Michael Nelson at last month's=20 Makakilo/Kapolei/Honokai Hale Neighborhood Board meeting to=20 ask: "When are the sharks going to be here?" After nearly 2 years of planning & design work, Nelson can now answer=20 the question. Pending approval of its application for a conditional use permit,=20 West Honolulu Attractions LLC =97 an entity managed by Ko Olina master=20 developer Jeff Stone =97 plans to begin construction in Dec. of an=20 interactive marine amusement park on 3.7 acres with hopes of opening=20 the facility in late 2008. The young boy's enthusiasm is an indication of the buzz in the=20 community that the Ko Olina project, which is being financed by up to=20 $75 million in state tax credits, is indeed going to be a lot more=20 than what was originally seen as a "world-class aquarium." "I think=20 we all thought at first that it was a neat thing but still a big=20 aquarium where you go to see sharks and other things," M/K/HH Board=20 chairwoman Maeda Timson said. Since January, developers have moved the site of the park to the=20 adjoining JW Marriott Ihilani Resort & Spa side of the Ko Olina=20 Resort, which requires a conditional use permit because the property=20 is zoned as a resort district. The park will be on a 21.2-acre parcel=20 makai of Aliinui Dr., between Olani St. and Kamoana Pl. "It brings us=20 closer to a saltwater source," said Fujiki, who served as director of=20 the city's departments of planning & design, building and design and=20 construction under the Harris administration.=20 With Stone out of town, Nelson and Randall Fujiki, executive VP for=20 planning & development, provided an update on the Ko Olina Marine=20 Adventure Park project. The themed-attraction park is now envisioned as being in the class of=20 Discovery Cove in Orlando, Fla., Atlantis Paradise Island in Nassau,=20 Bahamas, and Ocean World Marina in the Dominican Republic, but=20 they're "nothing quite like what we're doing," Nelson said. Nelson, a former Walt Disney marketing executive, said Ko Olina=20 Adventure Park intends to provide aquatic and adventure interactive=20 experiences with marine life in 3 man-made lagoons & pools. Guests=20 can swim with dolphins in the "Blue Lagoon"; encounter spotted eagle=20 rays, brown stingrays and small black-tip & hammerhead sharks=20 at "Shark Island"; or snorkel among tropical fish at the=20 coral "Hawaiian Reef," said Nelson, who recently returned from San=20 Diego meetings with Sea World officials and independent marine=20 biologists. "We're making sure that what we do in design is right for=20 the animals," Nelson said. "It's a high priority and we're trying to=20 do it the right way before the first spade goes in the ground." The park will have a shallow beach for children where they will be=20 able to see fish underwater. It also will feature waterfalls and=20 water slides from higher to lower pools, Nelson said. The estimated cost of the project is $41 million, said Nelson. A sports training complex and educational facilities developed or=20 operated with educational institutions, such as a marine science and=20 marine research facility, are among "attraction and educational=20 facilities" qualifying for credit under the law. The park will=20 provide educational opportunities for students to work with marine=20 biologists as well as employment opportunities. Ko Olina will have until 2009 to spend up to $75 million on the=20 marine park project to qualify for tax credits, which must be=20 redeemed over 10 years at $7.5 million a year. Tax credits can be=20 claimed beginning next year. Separate plans call for a luxury hotel=20 and time-share complex with 800-1,000 rooms, and commercial village=20 surrounding the park. Fujiki said the park will be built first before=20 the surrounding parts are developed. The park will be open to the public and general operating hours are=20 expected to be 10a.m.-6p.m., Nelson said. Timson said increased traffic is an immediate concern anytime a=20 multimillion dollar project is proposed in West O'ahu. "The feeling=20 is most of the people are going to be on the property (as guests at=20 the resort) or will be bused in like they do for the luaus," Timson=20 said. "I don't think it will have a big impact on traffic." ----------- =A9 COPYRIGHT 2005 The Honolulu Advertiser From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58320 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Man rides wooden coaster 5,000 times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0-7MwDjK81b7vs6NOaq3pPyrVHpBm3ZPdcWNnDKPzS0Bivc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 6, 2005 Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct-brf-- mr.rollercoas0806aug06,0,92050.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut SOUTHINGTON, Conn. -- A roller coaster fanatic reached a milestone Friday at a local amusement park after many twists, turns and screams. Anthony Reynolds of South Hadley, Mass., took his 5,000th ride on the "Boulder Dash" wooden roller coaster at Lake Compounce. Park officials said Reynolds, who goes by the nickname "Coaster Tony," rode the coaster on the 1st day it opened in 2000. On some days, he went on the ride 100 times. In his lifetime, he estimates that he's taken 20,000 coaster rides at parks across the US & Canada. "I get butterflies at the beginning of the season," said Reynolds, a sales manager. "And I am absolutely terrified of heights." Reynolds said his obsession began at the age of 7 when he rode his 1st coaster at Mount Park in Mass. He said the rides helped him deal with family problems he was experiencing after his parents' divorce. "When I ride on a coaster," he said, "I remember that feeling as a little kid when you're all scared, and then you get off the ride and you feel like you accomplished something and you want to go back on again. This started out being a ride and it ended up being much more than I ever expected." ------------- Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:29:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28369 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:28:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Celebrating 80 years, Indiana Beach basks in visitors who come back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aoaIiY3WgC3gnkvuuBdZTHT1NDxutRmGMiBXDdiYOuHy8eY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2005 South Bend Tribune http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/08/07/living.20050807- sbt-MICH-F1-Decades_of.sto By SYDNEY SCHWARTZ MONTICELLO, Ind. -- When John McQueary and Samantha Johnson of=20 Rochester arrived home from their National Guard tours in Saudi=20 Arabia and Afghanistan last month, they got a group of friends=20 together and headed here, to "The Beach." They jumped on the Hoosier=20 Hurricane, a wooden coaster built on top of a lake, lunched at a=20 burger joint on the Boardwalk Funway, and spent some time in the=20 arcade trying to win a toaster for McQueary and his new fianc=E9e,=20 April Green. Then they boarded the Sky Ride, a 3-minute tram that traverses the=20 Indiana Beach peninsula - and gazed out at the panorama of carefree=20 summer days, anxious excitement and childhood fun. "It's just the=20 kind of a thing you got to do - come here and spend a day," said=20 McQueary, 23. McQueary said he had visited IB every summer he could remember. So=20 the park was on his list of things to do when he came home on a 15- day leave from the Middle East in early July. As Indiana's largest theme park celebrates its 80th anniversary=20 season this summer, many Hoosiers have reminisced about past days=20 working or playing at IB, and many have returned to "The Beach" to=20 create new memories. The owners of the theme park have turned a little nostalgic as well,=20 producing a 54-min. video on the resort's history, working with Coca- Cola to create an 80th anniversary commemorative bottle, and digging=20 through old posters, photographs and other knickknacks in theme park=20 attics. Last month, they opened a small museum called "The Crow's=20 Nest" in a small metal storage shed underneath 2 rickety roller- coaster tracks and across from the cackling haunted house. "We wanted=20 to preserve our history," said Ruth Davis, IB's operations manager=20 and a granddaughter of the amusement park's founder, Earl=20 Spackman. "It needs to be recorded and saved for future generations." Built in 1926 on the shores of Lake Shafer, IB is a small, family- owned amusement park with 5 roller coasters, 6 water slides and a=20 white-tablecloth restaurant. The resort is often remembered for its=20 water ski shows, dances and impromptu campfires, along with its TV=20 commercials - featuring I.B. Crow and reminding viewers that "there's=20 more than just corn in Indiana." And during the last 80 years, IB's hotels, motels and campgrounds=20 have borne witness to the magical memories of many returning=20 guests. "Anybody who's been to IB once always goes back at least once=20 a year," said Johnson, 23, who visited IB every year since she was 5- y.o. until she went overseas in the Army. "It's not just because it's=20 close. It's because of the fact that it's family-oriented. You can=20 get there and take the whole family and everybody can have fun." While amusement parks are notorious for their long lines, many=20 visitors say IB is not really that crowded. And unlike bigger parks,=20 most of the rides are suitable for elementary school children, as=20 well as their parents - many of whom went on the same rides when they=20 were kids. "They're too short. They can't ride any of the rides at=20 the big parks," said Tara Shortt of North Webster, who has fond=20 memories of going to IB "many, many times" when she was a small=20 child. "It's one of the things I love about Indiana - or the Midwest,=20 in general - that out in the middle of nowhere you can go to a small=20 park like that. And it's homey and fun, and there's lots to do and=20 everybody was really friendly," added Diana McBarnes of South Bend,=20 who recently visited IB with her husband & 5 children for the 1st=20 time. In fact, the IB Amusement Resort has always been a family affair. Earl started the resort in 1926 after purchasing a cottage for his=20 family on Lake Shafer, which had just been formed by damming up the=20 Tippecanoe River. When Earl found the lake's shores were a little too steep for=20 swimming, he built a sandy beach swimming area, along with a=20 bathhouse and a small refreshment stand. He called the vacation=20 spot "Ideal Beach." During the next few summers, Earl brought in carnival rides and built=20 a hotel and a few small cottages. He added a toboggan slide, a roller=20 rink and a dance floor that drew some of the top names in music of=20 the time - including Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong and Benny=20 Goodman. "The main attraction back in the '40s & '50 s was the=20 beautiful ballroom where big bands played all the wonderful popular=20 songs of the day," said Dema Dillon Simeri, 75, of South Bend, who=20 grew up near the White County amusement. "I am sure that every person who went there back in the old days has=20 wonderful memories of the fun they had at IB in their youth," Dillon=20 Simeri said. Earl's son, Thomas E. Spackman, does. As a child, Thomas worked at a=20 concession stand selling Coca-Cola and distributed advertising=20 placards to stores in nearby towns. He took over management of the beach from his father in the 1940s,=20 and in 1952 changed the name to "Indiana Beach." Thomas said he wanted visitors from Illinois, Michigan and other=20 states to tell their friends they had gone to a resort in "Indiana" -=20 so they would realize that the state had "more than corn." Thomas installed a permanent Ferris wheel, carousel, a roller rink,=20 miniature golf course and a boardwalk with shops. He brought in stunt=20 shows and escape artists. And in the 1970s, he started adding roller=20 coasters. Thomas, now 92, still runs IB, though his son, Tom Spackman Jr., and=20 his daughter, Ruth Davis, have taken over day-to-day operations. 2=20 others also are involved. He still eats every day in the Sky Room,=20 the theme park's restaurant that overlooks Lake Shafer and its busy=20 amusement rides. Today, the sandy beach is only a small part of the resort's small=20 peninsula. Boat rides and toboggans have turned into roller coasters=20 and water slides, and the Ferris wheel has been replaced by the Giant=20 Gondola Wheel. But the character of the resort itself hasn't changed that much.=20 Monticello still draws family vacationers from around the state and=20 from Southern Illinois and the Chicagoland area. "We keep our core,"=20 Davis said. "You still know that you've returned to The Beach, but=20 it's expanded so much more." And while the names may have changed, the gift shops and souvenir=20 shops have continued to employ many students from the area. "This is=20 kind of a neat place because a lot of people will come back in the=20 summers to work," said Ethan Butt, 24, a Purdue University student=20 who has worked at IB for the past 9 years and whose brother, sister,=20 mother and stepfather also worked at the resort. Butt and Ginny Davis, Earl's granddaughter, instigated the project to=20 renovate the small metal garage into a museum for IB memories. He has=20 been toiling in the shack for several months now - determined to=20 organize the park's historical artifacts for the 80th anniversary=20 season. Once an abandoned magic shop, the approximately 200-sq-ft shack holds=20 a cornucopia of IB memorabilia - from a sign advertising 10-cent=20 admission to an autographed photograph of Tommy Dorsey, who headlined=20 the ballroom in the 1940s, to Japanese salt-&-pepper shakers once=20 sold in the resort's emporium."It's just like someone's personal=20 garage, and it's holding our memorabilia," Davis said. "We find=20 things to add to it, a little bit each week." Davis said that someone recently brought her a prize they won at the=20 High Striker in 1957 to put in the museum. "That in itself is saying=20 to me that people are wanting to share in our endeavors here," Davis=20 said. "That's kind of special." ----------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Aug 08 12:17:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99719 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.214.66e9b1d (14374) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <214.66e9b1d.302908ab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:12:43 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=os-knSkbvba4cFAFM9YVDVe5r1hQPUzmwknyY-ui9DTHdoEteMk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved Hercules. I am sad that it is gone. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 08 12:36:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-5.cisco.com) (171.68.10.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2005 12:36:30 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,89,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="203561678:sNHT26964012" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j78JZ5ZV009774 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:36:18 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:36:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:36:18.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[72AE27E0:01C59C50] X-Originating-IP: 171.68.10.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xzrUjL8OlwcRGfnjEKaaApY2QvNVYsB4cC59Yztm16qP7wO2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nathan, Great report, thanks. Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, which I rode for the first time this past weekend. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Aug 08 12:56:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27170 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:56:51 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1000004rne for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.48 with SMTP id d48mr2683319rnf; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f3050808125650441967@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Gtotkw-fszXd_lSrTMY16szOCjV5jKnTTgfnOZEEurYHUO-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Similar, but not even close. The Cyclone looks like a child blowing bubbles nearby could knock it over with an errant bubble. On 8/8/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Hi Nathan, >=20 > Great report, thanks. >=20 > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. >=20 > Cameron. > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10862 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.cd.2df07f4a (15865) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942f7d163117; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:40:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=y-FsUA2t_xZgghIg_VOFqzw-oQoJLncvX3zpBDMlafE9L9xqJw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote on 8/8/2005, 10:36 AM: > Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good > about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? At one time, yes, it was. When it first opened, and for a few years afterwards, tit was a fantastic ride, lots of laterals and some decent airtime in spots. Problem was, it suffered from a poor design. It was just too big for the location, and would rip itself apart. To compound that problem it was running those aweful PTC trailored trains that just shimied back and forth between the rails, ripping the wood to shreds. All of this resulted in reprofiles, which instead of solving problems, actually created more problems. When CF took over, they just added brakes everywhere, even a set on the first drop, and all that did was make a slow, boring ride that was still rough as hell and jackhammered at the bottom of every hill. Thus, even on the busiest of days, Hercules was rarely more then a walk-on. I found a few old photos I took, I'll see if I can get tehm scanned and I'll post them. I also have an on-ride video that I downloaded from Dorney's site several years ago. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84697 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.54.49c1d61d (15865) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942f7d28c1e3; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:45:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:45:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=axzwGiztx35qfsv00lyx1pMJTEv2MCD6TKUImpmRpBL5hZTmhg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 8/8/2005, 11:00 AM: > Hi, > > A friend of mine took these at Kings Dominion when he was a kid, and > recently scanned them all: > http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/kings_dominion_1978/ > > I've never been to that park, but I particularly liked the first few > from the tower. > > Cameron. Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. Thanks for passing that along. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49022 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.ba.776c6a20 (15886) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42f7d2ff26a; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:47:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:47:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42F7D2E6.8060706@aol.com> References: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=GuyUopHi5D6kNsI7F8TFM0rHn4ZvAYnRzFz0R5GqnB_dSF4OAg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 8/8/2005, 3:36 PM: > Hi Nathan, > > Great report, thanks. > > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. > > Cameron. The Blue Streak (also an excellent, fun ride) pales in compairison to how little maintiance the Cyclone gets. The difference really is the Blue Streak is loved, the poor, lowly Cyclone is not. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:49:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1606 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.86.2db727cf (15888) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1042f7d361127; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:49:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:48:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> Message-ID: <42F7D348.5060600@aol.com> References: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=M--gIevmAEdX_uXWaN3mvj_7S-YQT8IdVh6n0vKXpzEOvqzfWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nathan Brown wrote on 8/8/2005, 5:40 PM: > At one time, yes, it was. When it first opened, and for a few years > afterwards, *** was a fantastic ride, lots of laterals and some decent > airtime in spots. Opps, sorry about that little typo :-P -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 15:09:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85400 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.76.58dcda80 (15889) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1142f7d81e32c; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:09:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:09:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> Message-ID: <42F7D806.9000805@aol.com> References: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Mall of America, Valleyfair, Dells X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=acHftAQEh3o1kbbNs9RpnmTzbyjEj8Nbh7t7xs1zaXojZhYl1A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Bill Childs wrote on 8/8/2005, 12:39 PM: > Mall of America -- new spinny thing (Timberland Twister, Zamperla > spinning coaster) Shhhh...Don't let Adam hear you say that. It is actually a Gerstlauer. Nice report, short and sweet. How were the crowds in the Dells? Did you do any of the go-cart tracks I here so much about? Any good flats? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 08 15:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51770 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-62-5-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.62.5.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080822305801300cmqp1e>; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:30:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:30:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Ooops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=THOBtaM9SEu7gcY37RKfDQomG-pPMniuvkldsYuUT20DkqB3OZvy5A X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam << Shhhh...Don't let Adam hear you say that. It is actually a Gerstlauer. Nice report, short and sweet. How were the crowds in the Dells? Did you do any of the go-cart tracks I here so much about? Any good flats? -- >> I'm an idiot. Sorry - I completely knew that, just blanked. Forgive me, Adam. Crowds weren't bad. Average wait for Hades was about 40 minutes, and Dells visitors are not the brightest, so there was rarely an additional wait for the front seat (which is clearly the best for Hades). Adding one more car to the train (it's built to be ready for it) would help; a second train would be better, but that'd be a major revamp, I think. We did a number of go-kart tracks. Poseidon's Drop has a double-down that kicks ass. It's real air time -- i.e., car not touching the ground, Dukes of Hazzard air time. The other ones were fun too, but that double-down just makes me giggle, it's that much fun. Didn't do any flats. Lots of skycoasters and skyscrapers and crap like that; didn't do any of them. Robocoaster looked like it threw you around real good. Disk-O looked fun but I forgot to get back there, and the anal probe restraint looked...odd. Beyond that, I didn't notice anything particularly impressive, but I wasn't paying much attention either. Time was limited, as we drove in from Minneapolis that morning and had to drive back that night... -Bill From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 15:57:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53332 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.156.5684c6ae (15888) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1042f7e3373cb; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:56:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:56:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> Message-ID: <42F7E31E.7030602@aol.com> References: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ooops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=YAq7E5wpzhY6BKgoxP8Cj5bPQNssXCIbFYHNbYb8H8v-KuwrDg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Bill Childs wrote on 8/8/2005, 6:30 PM: > I'm an idiot. Sorry - I completely knew that, just blanked. Forgive > me, Adam. > I am sure he will ;-) > Crowds weren't bad. Average wait for Hades was about 40 minutes, and > Dells visitors are not the brightest, so there was rarely an additional > wait for the front seat (which is clearly the best for Hades). Adding > one more car to the train (it's built to be ready for it) would help; a > second train would be better, but that'd be a major revamp, I think. > I have always wondered how they handled the crowds with their coasters all having just one train, expecally Hades. A ride that big should at least have been designed to have two trains. > We did a number of go-kart tracks. Poseidon's Drop has a double-down > that kicks ass. It's real air time -- i.e., car not touching the > ground, Dukes of Hazzard air time. The other ones were fun too, but > that double-down just makes me giggle, it's that much fun. > That is what I have heard. Really have to try and get out there next year, looks like a great time. > Didn't do any flats. Lots of skycoasters and skyscrapers and crap like > that; didn't do any of them. Robocoaster looked like it threw you > around real good. Disk-O looked fun but I forgot to get back there, > and the anal probe restraint looked...odd. Beyond that, I didn't > notice anything particularly impressive, but I wasn't paying much > attention either. Time was limited, as we drove in from Minneapolis > that morning and had to drive back that night... That is a shame. Flats make a park. The Disk-O's look like a blast too. Hopefully I'll get down to Dollywood this winter and catcha few rides on their's. Thanks again. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Aug 08 16:43:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5135 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j78NhtuC011425 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:43:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c59c73$0660dab0$0300a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Gregory Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=hezHg0kUzu6d5Y2ibHCQmr5S1Uw_H8DfqJHTX3uTSSRpFvE X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Cameron Silver wrote: > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. Actually the Blue Streak is in much better shape... --Greg From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 08 17:02:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34998 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2HZE-0003Nq-5F for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:02:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf82aae8a90e08cb608246ed318dac6a26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=xTub8iX75nM7hGQGt0LBGME8X-Zu6eMi1Wu_s84HyQyxj2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nathan Brown wrote: > Why? There is nothing wrong with the floorless, just a different > concept. I can agree, but I might also add that there isn't really anything "right" or "special" about a floorless- at least for me. The concept or gimmick is just a waste on me, as the lack of a floor really does nothing for me. There just isn't anything that being floorless adds to a ride for me. > Just like an invert, it can be done very well, and not well at > all. Hydra uses the concept poorly. I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the concept at all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Certainly nothing that couldn't be done a regular coaster train with a floor in it (e.g. Kumba) Essentially, I would say that any coaster can be done well or not at all. On that, I'm confident we agree. But I've found most of the floorless coasters I've been on seem to want to rely on the "gimmick" to add to what is often a rather lackadaisical layout that really doesn't do much. Honestly, I can only think of a couple of floorless coasters that I found interesting and were standouts. The rest were fun, but nothing special. keep on ridin' George > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 08 17:04:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79575 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 00:04:44 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2Hbo-00058d-G6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf74d806593308e1ce6746c7b4385558a9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wAyFBOnbIPv2x2N16bjVwWe1xv1Ud2wxRc9W15PKj_ZLmjg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash So, did anyone else catch this bit of news? aelk2004 wrote: > El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in > Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement > park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point trying to sell? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 18:00:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18309 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.208.6b17c67 (15887) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f42f8002f1c2; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:00:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:00:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> References: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ZBZb0ZIucPHUvW38KOJLG4jMRfTlGGB3lt5R_spYY0xcgbJ7TA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo george burnash wrote on 8/8/2005, 8:04 PM: > > El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in > > Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement > > park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. > > > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > trying to sell? > > keep on ridin' > George Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89868 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:19:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7D2E6.8060706@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Vprawdag2s6DgvMtnkG385zWhGisQI1VfF5EX0InQ0wUmCe_xw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > > Hi Nathan, > > > > Great report, thanks. > > > > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. > > > > Cameron. > > The Blue Streak (also an excellent, fun ride) pales in compairison to > how little maintiance the Cyclone gets. The difference really is the > Blue Streak is loved, the poor, lowly Cyclone is not. > -- > Nathan Brown I definitely found Cyclone rougher than Blue Streak, but Blue was far from smooth when I rode it in 2003. (actually I rode them 2 days apart.) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:36:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91004 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:36:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:36:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:36:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3LP92SXfl1yV5l8K3U9adc9ayrKTVDDmmviUWI8OB2QIO7cwXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the concept at > all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do > anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Certainly > nothing that couldn't be done a regular coaster train with a floor in it > (e.g. Kumba) > > Essentially, I would say that any coaster can be done well or not at > all. On that, I'm confident we agree. But I've found most of the > floorless coasters I've been on seem to want to rely on the "gimmick" to > add to what is often a rather lackadaisical layout that really doesn't > do much. Honestly, I can only think of a couple of floorless coasters > that I found interesting and were standouts. The rest were fun, but > nothing special. > > keep on ridin' > George I tend to agree here as well. So far, to me it seems floorless models might as well be standard sit-down coasters without a nose. The difference is very small. If you are in the front (like inverts and suspendeds) the difference is more apparent, but once the train starts really moving, you tend not to notice the track and crosspieces passing under your feet anymore. The Superman coaster in Madrid was my favorite floorless so far. I think it might be a bit faster than the rest. Medusa was pretty cool the first time I rode it as well. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:45:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88190 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0MK36pg3Y5HkBi6tQPJ6Bq_oX5mulfpnTJE318CgrMoQW_oMsA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > > trying to sell? > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. > -- > Nathan Brown Why Wildcat? The space (If my memory serves) is only big enough for a mouse or a flat. Cedar Creek Mine seems more likely to me from the standpoint that is the area they seem to be focusing on upgrading. None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they are selling any. Obviously, any guesses we have would be wild speculation about a park that doesn't follow trends. Chris B From jophish17@comcast.net Mon Aug 08 20:54:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88570 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 03:53:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=GDx_SiOmtJtvL9oB_bTvZstONbn1507tZ5VT8maLzLW5d1MV X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Why Wildcat? The space (If my memory serves) is only big enough for a > mouse or a flat. Cedar Creek Mine seems more likely to me from the > standpoint that is the area they seem to be focusing on upgrading. > None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they > are selling any. > Obviously, any guesses we have would be wild speculation about a park > that doesn't follow trends. > > Chris B I would imagine that the fact that it is portable and approaching 30 years of age makes it an attractive candidate to be moved and replaced. It would work out well for both parks. Plus, in two days I barely saw any interest in it from the patrons, while the mine ride had a good 30 minute wait. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 01:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78748 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 08:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 08:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 08:01:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.77.244.207 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=t7tQ1JPTB2nJPAEsrO8DJz2XosUj1cZ3zTp4oM1BPcw3dsY3PeAh X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > > trying to sell? > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. Didja know that Cedar Point's competition for Most Coasters, Magic Mountain, had a Wildcat, even the same model, up until 1982 called the Mountain Express? I remember it was the first roller coaster outside of Disneyland I ever went on. Adam From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 05:57:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60098 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 12:57:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=B9E2IOWheF_VtGa21B8XVXODElT5yZQiCN07rjZGZB9Ys6ukkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good > about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? Yes, it was very good. When Hercules was built in 1989, it held (I'm fairly sure) the record for largest drop on a wooden coaster in the world. It achieved this by taking advantage of the local topography. The lift hill on this giant woodie was impressive enough at 95 feet. But when the train crested the lift hill you finally realized that the coaster was built on the side of a hill, so that even though the lift is "only" 95 feet, there's a drop of 157 feet down the side of the hill toward a lake. I remeber my first ride on Hercules, during the ride's second season. As the train went down that huge hill, it picked up speed the whole way. About two-thirds of the way down, I remember thinking, "Wow, this should be over by now." But of course, we kept plunging and picking up speed the rest of the way. I also noticed, at about the same time, that the curve in the track at the bottom of the hill (about 180 degrees, skimming the surface of the lake) seemed way too sharp to be navigated at the 60+ mph we were going. It actually scared me a bit, until we entered the curve itself and I finally noticed how sharply banked the track was and realized we were going to live. We flew through the curve, up into the next hill, and on to the rest of the course. It was a high-powered and intense ride. Jon Z "things were different when I was young" The First From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Aug 09 05:59:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17155 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:59:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.30 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=6YeLps_S8qO1y2vGrbU_8rWoRVsFHpdq_y_1dLVFfu8V_rDJpg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Six Flags Reports Six Months and Second Quarter Results and Affirms Full Year Outlook; Strong, Broad-based Attendance, Revenue And EBITDA Growth 08 Aug 05 17:02 NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 8, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. (the "Company") ( NYSE: PKS) announced today its results of operations for the six months and quarter ended June 30, 2005. Revenues for the second quarter of 2005 were 8.4% higher than the prior year, and attendance increased 753,000, or 6.6%, reflecting the positive market reaction in virtually all of the Company's parks to the Company's new capital additions and marketing programs. Six Month Results For the first six months of 2005, revenues were $440.9 million, compared to $ 401.2 million for the comparable period of 2004, an increase of $39.7 million, or 9.9%. Attendance for the period rose 1.08 million, or 8.5%, while total revenue per capita increased by 1.3%, to $31.82. Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization and non- cash compensation, were $465.8 million in the 2005 six-month period, as compared to $444.7 million in the prior-year period. Excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation, cash operating costs and expenses were $390.0 million in 2005 and $370.6 million in 2004, an increase of 5.2%, reflecting planned increases in labor and other expenses to continue the Company's guest serviceinitiatives and to operate the attractions added for the 2005 season, as well as expected increases in costs of goods sold as a result of higher sales volume. EBITDA (Modified) was $50.9 million in the 2005 period as compared to $30.7 million in the 2004 period(1). Adjusted EBITDA for the 2005 period was $29.5 million compared to $12.0 million in 2004.(1) Loss from continuing operations applicable to common stock was $178.6 million in the first six months of 2005 as compared to $135.1 million in the 2004 period. The 2005 period reflects the impact of a $63.8 million tax valuation allowance. In addition, both periods included a loss on early repurchase of debt. Absent the tax valuation allowance and the loss on early repurchase of debt (net of the associated tax benefits in 2005 and 2004), the loss from continuing operations in 2005 would have been $102.8 million and in 2004 would have been $115.6 million.(2) Three Month Results Revenues for the second quarter of 2005 were $386.5 million, compared to $ 356.4 million for the comparable quarter of 2004. The 2005 performance reflects an increase in attendance of 753,000, or 6.6%, and a 1.8% increase in total revenue per capita, to $31.65. Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization and non- cash compensation, were $294.3 million in the 2005 quarter and $282.6 million in the year ago period. Excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation, cash operating costs and expenses were $256.3 million in the second quarter of 2005, as compared to $245.6 million in the prior-year quarter, an increase of 4.3%. EBITDA (Modified) was $130.2 million in the second quarter of 2005 compared to $110.8 million in the 2004 quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter of 2005 was $103.5 million compared to $86.2 million in the second quarter of 2004, an increase of 20.1%. Income from continuing operations applicable to common stock was $5.6 million in the second quarter of 2005 as compared to a loss of $9.7 million in the 2004 period. The 2005 results benefited from a partial reversal of the tax valuation allowance established in the first quarter. Without that effect, the income from continuing operations in the 2005 quarter would have been $2.2 million. The 2004 period included a loss on early repurchase of debt. Absent that loss, net of the associated tax benefits, the loss from continuing operations applicable to common stock would have been $5.8 million in the 2004 period. Discussion and Outlook Kieran E. Burke, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Six Flags, said, "We are pleased with the broad-based strong performance of our parks during the first half of 2005. Although there is a great deal of time left in our season, the year-to-date results from our parks have been very encouraging. They reflect the successful implementation of our investment program, which added new attractions in 13 of our 18 domestic theme parks, and three of our water parks and both of our international parks, as well as our ongoing guest service initiatives, and year two of our advertising campaign. We also enjoyed favorable weather conditions during the early part of the summer, and this had a positive impact on attendance. Our performance in July continued to reflect solid growth. While attendance growth in the month slowed somewhat from its robust early season pace, per capita revenues rose sharply. For the month, total revenues rose 9.6% from the year ago period. As a result, year-to- date through August 1 total attendance is 6.3% ahead of the prior year, per capita revenues are up 3.3%, and revenues are up by 9.8% year over year. There is a significant amount of our season remaining and we did enjoy a strong October performance last year. Nonetheless, given our performance to date, we are clearly poised to deliver strong financial results for the year, and see the stage set for further growth. "We continue to anticipate generating Adjusted EBITDA of $300 million in 2005. This is based on expected full year revenue growth of approximately 8.5%. We continue to enjoy substantial liquidity and have no near-term debt maturities." Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company. The information contained in this news release, other than historical information, consists of forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such statements. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward- looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors, including factors impacting attendance, such as local conditions, events, disturbances and terrorist activities, risks of accidents occurring at the Company's parks, adverse weather conditions, general economic conditions (including consumer spending patterns), competition, pending, threatened or future legal proceedings and other factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the Company's expectations. Reference is made to a more complete discussion of forward-looking statements and applicable risks contained under the captions " Cautionary Note Regarding Forward- Looking Statements" and "Business - Risk Factors" in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2004, which is available free of charge on the Company's website ( www.sixflags.com). This release and prior releases are available on the Company's Worldwide Web site at www.sixflags.com. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 06:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:20:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:20:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:20:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=QsPhh-RFNfZ8NCjzXEvk33jReGuRlnpU1XiO9TC_vWKkBn4r4A X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the [floorless] concept at > all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do > anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Good point, George. Just being "floorless" does not change the ride experience appreciably. And there hasn't been a coaster yet that does something because it's floorless that can't be done with a traditional sit-down ride. There's nothing wrong with a floorless, but I wouldn't pay extra for the feature (either as a park owner/ride builder, or as a park guest/coaster rider). Jon Z From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 06:38:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82545 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 13:38:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:36:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:36:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: CP coaster for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=Y_cbljEKeCSqYphOd84VPCK-SzEdjohIYTnyx27QS8XBiA4m3g X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" > > > ...a roller coaster that's for sale there. > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. Me, too. It's easily portable, and thus easy to sell. It'd be a useful addition (no, seriously) for many smaller parks. It's not a "signature" coaster -- one that was either custom designed or is closely associated with Cedar Point. It's not crucial to filling a niche -- they have kiddie coasters for the young 'uns. Oh wait, they don't have a mouse, do they? A newer mouse or spinner could probably fit in the same space as the old (read: hard to maintain?) Wildcat. Hey look! I just started a rumor. Or, due to its location, wouldn't a high profile flat be a good fit there? Jon Z (who wishes he could buy a coaster) The First From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8361 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from hkg-core-1.cisco.com (64.104.123.94) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:02:49 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,92,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330451797:sNHT29459132" Received: from xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-411.cisco.com [64.104.123.72]) by hkg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F2JtM015145 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:03:00 +0800 (CST) Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.12]) by xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:02:38 +0800 Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:02:36 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:02:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68D913D0-466D-4CE0-B004-103D79A36907@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:02:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:02:36.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[60BD1E80:01C59CF3] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=-fk2M0aqGPtzYcwa5GtkFyFtHBAaC1GGL9ltg3_u3eplR8W9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > There's nothing wrong with a floorless, but I wouldn't pay extra > for > the feature (either as a park owner/ride builder, or as a park > guest/coaster rider). Sure you would .. if the general public thinks that floorless is cooler, then you'd pay extra for one with the hopes that it'll bring in more money than a plain old sit-down. The real question is whether or not the general public care that it's floorless .. and I think that they (gp) will care about whatever the marketing department shoves down their throat! Personally, I've never ridden a floorless so I can't compare (in fact, I don't think I've ridden any B&M sit-down looper..). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:08:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32049 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from hkg-core-1.cisco.com (64.104.123.94) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:07:09 -0700 Received: from xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-411.cisco.com [64.104.123.72]) by hkg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F6htS015562 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:07:21 +0800 (CST) Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.12]) by xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:06:57 +0800 Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:06:53 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:06:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:06:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:06:53.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA198690:01C59CF3] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=yxtq_KYvsXO5_bY-5TuG14UaRdRaI4s0P2sUVX8CR0jS9LEH X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! That's pretty great news! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:10:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92016 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:10:33 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,92,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330455772:sNHT49786456" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F9l0p002856 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:10:30 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:10:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> References: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:10:30.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B2283E0:01C59CF4] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=z1Jf3QnmM-G3rFXgsWsAeNyD3qkXBVNlBJt6yNDlCejx3SlM X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nathan, > Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. And the fashion! Although I think we're all happy that's changed (well the chick in the Lacoste t-shirt would be right at home in any US high-school today..). > Thanks for passing that along. Welcome .. Duncan (my friend who originally took those photos) loves his photography, he's happy people are interested in them! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Aug 09 09:48:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98256 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so1137818rnf for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.48 with SMTP id y48mr2994658rnb; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:46:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=gGlItJOEe-lMyll0_E7u3fPfSuQnZYoNaFKzxjMiHjTAcjmE X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;)=20 On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! >=20 > That's pretty great news! >=20 > Cameron. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 11:03:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:03:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:03:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1896 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.128.72.7 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=kpEUDV6CACz7fvOP4RvL-QvCxEkPjQOtTCcwwcOCOxAyA2O7vQvB X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... > Oh wait, they don't have a mouse, do they? A > newer mouse or spinner could probably fit in the same space as the > old (read: hard to maintain?) Wildcat. Hey look! I just started a > rumor. What? The world's tallest fastest wild mouse? Not nearly enough capacity for CP. But I do agree that a mouse would be a great addition for the park. I think with a little creative re-engineering of the midway and the roads outside the park boundaries, they might be able to fit one there. They can just do like they did with MaxAir, build the ride in the available space and have the line spill out every which way into the midway, blocking traffic. > Or, due to its location, wouldn't a high profile flat be a good > fit there? Yup > What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they > are selling any. True to a point. What CP lacks is a good solid sit-down looping coaster. Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. (11) Intamin did it in England (with 10) and it's not even that tall nor does it take up much space. This way they can also keep the totally awesome feature of having the corkscrews above the midway. There is also plenty of space in the back of the park for a new coaster. All they have to do is rip out the gigantic queue for the rapids ride. It's never full and it just takes up space. That area, the land behind it, plus the lake where the swan boats used to be is plenty of space. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 11:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39512 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:05:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:05:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:05:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.128.72.7 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=9vpsEPdK5uzqbOkSVcaQB5NyG4lEr7KvC353DPR7yiCX-E4Pt6gF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Aug 09 11:29:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32540 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so1119833rne for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.2.26 with SMTP id e26mr3014021rni; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:29:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=3oXHHj1kZuD0PFNzzFYZg7FirNtN5GW8_jn-FVEgRAog4waK X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I haven't heard much good about it, Brian. Lots of technical issues getting it to run, and lots of frivilous "features". On 8/9/05, Brian Farral wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. >=20 > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 11:47:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78829 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 11:47:13 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,93,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330535869:sNHT30562072" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79IkZpI016683 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:46:46 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:46:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:46:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 18:46:46.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1994030:01C59D12] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=1iHU8Hb8Aja7NEHQpVW0Ak1xFOEEagP-_lV2idvwS_IEyYxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;) Well .. at least they're consistent! Cameron. > On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > >> >> Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! >> >> That's pretty great news! >> >> Cameron. >> > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > What would our > lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer > in the arts today at Network for Good. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 11:49:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15796 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 11:49:37 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79In4pG017593 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:49:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <718566F7-7043-4EFE-BF4C-F7E3F3B4C05E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:49:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 18:49:28.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[12664980:01C59D13] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Jr8VVkDD7yfzsDUyPvOPH3Ed4j3I0vT8LkWeV5vGXUC7izDI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space >> or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > > Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... Mean Streak.. > Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP > wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other > than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use > that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. I also agree that Cedar Point is missing a good looping coaster .. although I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very similar ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse where Wildcat currently stands) .. with the general public even be able to tell that it's new? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 14:07:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46249 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17768 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2005 21:07:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050809210705.17766.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.202.193.1] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:07:05 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:07:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=a62ilQvjSKO7ls0N_sQjsUYgpvrv7U9KQCoaFd3uUzsaQylMFMks3-XC X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Hey Brian, So long a time I don´t post to the list. But I am still alive here in Brazil. About RCT3, I´ve already played all RCT3 scenarios and bought the Soaked expansion. RCT3 can be tricky to run on uncompatible hardware. But if you meet the game requirements, it´s an awsome game, much, much better then RCT1 or RCT2. I do advise you to try the demos before buying the game, but you really should give this game a chance. In my opinion, it rules! Just an off-topic note: we had an accident here in Rio at Terra-Encantada Park. A rider felt from about 4m while riding Mt.Aurora (Zamperla Galaxy). It was during a rave party and most of the evidences points to the rider´s misbehaviour. He suffered severe damages and is breathing with the aid of devices. Sad news, though. Best regards to you all, Gus. --- Brian Farral wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything > about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this > list was about it. > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer > that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked > it. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 14:22:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92085 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:21:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 21:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 21:21:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:21:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050809210705.17766.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=El7vFEjN0MT5IJnLuKqZGwN64YGKYiC3eREUXHs7G5J7Ep5wbmz8 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > RCT3 can be tricky to run on uncompatible hardware. Yeah, I have an old machine that doesn't support it (I tried with a friend's copy), but once I do get a new computer (no plans at the moment), RCT3 is a must-buy for me. Adam From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 09 14:48:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3336 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:48:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.144.4b083d78 (15863) for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742f924b6275; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:48:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F9249D.705@aol.com> References: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: NEWS: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=TNQJdhN8f77NV4mzoJD7k-TKiS2njkvtpWg-Pl3mx6XGdQmw9w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo The best news I've heard all day : ) http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=52654 City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million August 09, 2005 Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday that the city's bid to buy the Coney Island Carousel for $1.8 million has been accepted. The city wanted to buy the carousel to keep it from being sold to another city at auction. The famed merry-go-round on Surf Avenue was supposed to go up for auction through Guernsey auction house Wednesday. The carousel was shut down in May after the owners decided to put it up for sale. But thanks to an agreement between the city and the carousel's owners, the McCullough family of Long Island, it will remain in Coney Island, where it has delighted children since 1932. "This is happy news and it is the result of an agreement our administration has reached to purchase the carousel for $1.8 million, heading off the auction that was scheduled for tomorrow," said Bloomberg. "The intent from day one was to reach out to the city, because we in our hearts knew the city was the right owner for this carousel," said Guernsey's Auction president Arlan Ettinger. Bloomberg says the sale is all part of the city's plan to revitalize Coney Island. He said the money will come mainly from city funds and some private donations. After a restoration, the carousel will go back to its familiar spot. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 09 14:58:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98020 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.81.2d582dbc (15887) for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f42f926f2170; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:58:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:57:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F926DA.2090305@aol.com> References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=_uKC0ZlZ6VirMBLa6hVsRLfoJgByS9ycWSbQn8S2Ds7aqOcjcw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Beth Aslakson wrote on 8/9/2005, 12:46 PM: > Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;) > > On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! > > > > That's pretty great news! > > > > Cameron. I would too, it has been perfect nearly every weekend here in the Mid-Atlantic. Sometimes whether can be a good thing, when it is warm and sunny that is : ) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 09 15:40:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26606 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j79MeTEh018709 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <059f01c59d33$6102e600$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5wruhm0Yn-Qm4DP6JnPJHZgr0U7NUzEu0u8OUXrKtF2ZDv1IVFdNxIEuRg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. > > And the fashion! Although I think we're all happy that's changed Yeah I was thinking that was starting to look like That 70's Show visitings Kings Dominion. ;-) (An ode to the Brady Bunch going to Kings Island...) From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 09 17:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72655 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2eTO-0003LF-CK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: <42F94A72.6020702@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:29:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebffc38f84b03d5c27de87adbcbb8246f9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PAA29pbwxOAPTf1zLZz6A3MutUnOF2uPNjXyT-exdB0uDUc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! > > That's pretty great news! > Not only is Six Flags attendance, revenues, and other dollar figures all up... But Cedar Fair's were almost all down. With Geagua Lake, which took a huge hit last year being down even more this year. Talk about an upside down year compared to what we're used to. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:06:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97061 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:06:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1079 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qdLFNcGVa9bpChVomWOS3qmIs5RALbiDQH8LLepdtTN08afv7w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I actuall had to buy a new computer (specifically) just to run it, and although I haven't had too much trouble with it, I suspect it may be because I mostly play the 'sandbox' mode, so I don't care if my peeps are stupid. And they are very stupid. I have only gotten bronzes in about 5 or 6 scenarios, and I really don't play it much anymore, which is in stark contrast to 1 & 2 which I played religiously for years. Seriously, the only reason I play it is for the on-ride feature and the interface is a bit easier than NoLimits. Chris B wrote: > I haven't heard much good about it, Brian. Lots of technical issues > getting it to run, and lots of frivilous "features". > > > On 8/9/05, Brian Farral wrote: > > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. > > > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. > > > > AFLAC!!! > > > > -Brian F. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:14:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92429 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:14:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <718566F7-7043-4EFE-BF4C-F7E3F3B4C05E@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1264 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=719ZrK7S7dwjSQxmPMzkg7hO6xt1aI02xHqh9QbzzZH7VjtUyw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > >> None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > >> or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > > > > Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... > > Mean Streak.. This is the one I secretly hope is the one to go, but who'd want it? > > Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP > > wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other > > than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use > > that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. > > I also agree that Cedar Point is missing a good looping coaster .. > although I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very similar > ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse where Wildcat > currently stands) .. with the general public even be able to tell > that it's new? > > Cameron. I love the eleven loop idea, (Colossus is pretty fun.) but I really think an Eurofighter or Gertslauer spinner is much more likely if Wildcat goes. Even the GP should recognize the difference. I think that another giant flat is more likely, as CP is big on capacity. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48807 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:18:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F9249D.705@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=dTLJ_bDrr1SYfnVghpUoF4uDsxZk81ZKPOx-hUFSIbxWpH4vtA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > The best news I've heard all day : ) > > http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=52654 > > City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million > > August 09, 2005 > > Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday that the city's bid to buy the > Coney Island Carousel for $1.8 million has been accepted. -- > Nathan Brown I'm glad to hear that Coney can keep some of it's ttradition alive, but is that the most ever paid for a carousel or what? Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 10 07:53:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77871 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200508100755.AA54132790@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Man rides wooden coaster 5,000 times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=t4X1cliJE-veC8jEmRy1B3R5ssgNvrQ7Ysiy9aEm3CEXlCJGKzIa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Tony's the guy who sold me my current car. He works nearby at a big local auto dealership. He's quite a character and pretty hardcore. He'll travel anywhere in the states to ride a coaster, often at the drop of a hat. His big dream is to get over to Europe. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Aug 10 08:45:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10350 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (209.101.63.9) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01047675@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: "'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:54:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 209.101.63.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=XCLlUs_n18c7rMu2y2Jc7lTs1G6JnFqZ5HSzXNEP6ccFp5UQOA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: Cameron Silver > I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very > similar ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse > where Wildcat currently stands) .. with the general public > even be able to tell that it's new? Maybe not, but that might not be the point. I've heard rumors (I think mostly on this list) that Wildcat is expensive to maintain. Just by replacing it with a brand-new plain-vanilla mouse (bonus: saving money on demolition and removal costs by selling Wildcat to another park), they'd get an ongoing cost savings. They could get even more bang for the buck by upgrading a bit to a spinner, Eurofighter, or something else that's different enough to be marketed as "special." But what do I know. I haven't ridden a coaster all year. 8-( Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 11:20:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82347 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:19:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sysb6ky5696R3czlA8SHvf7FSFqSGYmRviKG-UILfC2r-m4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I've been playing it since December. I've gotten to a scenario that requires you to make a killer fireworks show. It's turning out to be more work than I anticipated, so I haven't been on it for a couple of months. Some of the changes are nice (like not being stuck to a preset isometric view). Some of the changes aren't so nice (like not being stuck to a preset isometric view!). Some of the changes need work (modifying the land can cause some rather weird results). All over I'm rather fine with it. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral" wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Aug 10 16:20:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68127 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.84]) by rly-ip06.mx.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7ANKd7L002202 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:20:39 -0400 Received: from [172.168.131.51] (ACA88333.ipt.aol.com [172.168.131.51]) by smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7ANKSRf012566 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:20:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FB9EFE4-E92B-4EB9-92E5-0F0E22CB55DC@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:23:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=ry8OvdxEeHae58ilJvCi7WocdNFlmM-caXTFc6Fz_b_-aHSAK0_b X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I've been playing it since December. > > I've gotten to a scenario that requires you to make a killer fireworks > show. It's turning out to be more work than I anticipated, so I > haven't > been on it for a couple of months. > > Some of the changes are nice (like not being stuck to a preset > isometric view). Some of the changes aren't so nice (like not being > stuck to a preset isometric view!). Some of the changes need work > (modifying the land can cause some rather weird results). > > Even better, its finally being ported to OS X! According to the article they're looking to release the mac version in November. http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/05/rct3/index.php Mike From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 10 16:54:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95014 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags downward spiral X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=8_yJ0_NWxLUJ5oIoR8Mm7qGEcm0lylFPtVPPhw8zuVcf-1qh X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 Link: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050808/BUSINESS01/508080302/1066/BUSINESS01 After hyping Kingda Ka as "the tallest, fastest roller coaster on Earth" throughout the winter and spring, one of the first messages to greet visitors at the Six Flags Great Adventure theme park in Jackson, N.J., earlier this summer told them the ride was closed indefinitely for safety reasons. Madeline Wohl and Angela Moeller, both of Nassau, N.Y., knew that before they arrived recently. Their kids were so excited about riding Kingda Ka that they checked the daily updates on the theme park's Web site to see if it reopened. "Everyone was disappointed," Moeller's 14-year-old son, Bryan, said. The ride reopened last week. That Kingda Ka was closed for the bulk of the park's busy season because of a problem with its brakes is a concern for Great Adventure's parent company, Oklahoma City-based Six Flags Inc., which is trying to bounce back from disastrous financial performance and declining park attendance. Six Flags' parks attendance has dipped by a total of 10 million people over the past five years, according to a study done by International Theme Park Associates. Six Flags has posted losses for the past six years, capped by a $460 million loss in 2004. In its annual report, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Kieran E. Burke wrote that the economy, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and bad weather were to blame for the poor showing. But analysts and observers familiar with the company say other amusement parks have managed to rebound from those outside elements. For Six Flags, they say, it's a result of over-purchasing and overpaying. The company is in about $2 billion of debt and barely able to cover more than the cost of that debt, said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., an industry consulting firm in Ohio. "Six Flags was once the icon in the industry," said Speigel. "It was a leader. It had the greatest product. It was clean. It was making money and at the top of its game. It's not the icon that it once was. It's lost its luster. Those of us in the industry familiar with Six Flags for 40 years hate to see that." Not so, says Debbie Nauser, the company's spokesperson. "Our company remains in sound financial shape," Nauser wrote in an e-mail. "We now have no public debt that matures before 2010. We also have always taken great care to have ample liquidity and credit support. We maintain a substantial cash balance of over $115 million and have almost $400 million in committed lines of credit available to us." Six Flags reports its second-quarter earnings at the close of business today. Last year the company's capital expenditures budget was $135 million, not much for a chain with 31 regional parks, said James Zoltack, editor of industry trade magazine Amusement Business. "Their debt is so high it affects their ability to invest in the park," Zoltack said. "The money that might have gone to capital expenditures goes to debt service. That's a tough position to be in." Many of the parks require maintenance that they're not able to get. "Overall, the Six Flags system is showing its age in the fact that these parks are maturing and are reaching the point where many need an infusion of capital to bring the facilities back to new again," said Gary Slade, editor and publisher of industry trade publication Amusement Today. Kingda Ka and the jungle-themed area within the park that houses it represented a $40 million push by the company to regain momentum. It did, receiving media attention from outlets ranging from Time magazine to the Desert Morning News in Utah, until it closed for repairs because of safety concerns. Given the death last week of a 7-year-old boy at Rye Playland, it is ever more clear that safety is not something amusement parks can afford to take lightly. Six Flags' parks are not immune to tragedy. The most recent death at the company's parks occurred last May at Six Flags New England, when a man slipped from a ride because the T-bar restraint lifted. In 2003 a woman was struck and killed by a ride at Six Flags New Orleans; in 2002 a woman was killed when a water ride capsized, causing her to drown at Six Flags Over Texas; a man fell to his death in 2002 after he stood up during a ride at Denver's Six Flags Elitch Gardens; and an employee was killed at Six Flags Over Georgia in 2002 when he walked into a locked area that was in the path of an upside-down roller coaster and was struck in the head by a passenger's legs. A report done by the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions says that over the past two decades there have been an average of two deaths a year on amusement park rides. Great Adventure is the closest Six Flags park to the northern suburbs, at just under a two-hour drive from White Plains. In 2003 the Superman roller coaster was added for about $15 million, and in 2004 the Batman stunt show went up for about $2.5 million. Mark Ashley and his 13-year-old daughter, Victoria, watched the rest of their family ride Nitro, a coaster that from its highest point drops 200 feet to the ground. They're not roller coaster types, but Ashley's stepson was disappointed by Kingda Ka's closing, after the family drove to Great Adventure from Rhode Island. "My stepson is obsessed with going on the fastest, tallest roller coaster," Mark Ashley said. Mark and Victoria Ashley would have liked to visit the water park, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, but the ticket price is not included in the cost of admission to the main park. When Premiere Parks purchased Six Flags Inc. in 1998 from Time Warner Inc., the company went on a buying spree, purchasing second-tier parks across the country. They overpaid for many of those acquisitions, and never made up the money since many of those parks don't have the population necessary to support them. Chicago's Six Flags Great America, New Jersey's Great Adventure, Atlanta's Six Flags Over Georgia, Six Flags AstroWorld in Houston and Los Angeles' Six Flags Magic Mountain are among the company's most successful properties. "You look at any of those properties and start drawing a population ring around the property and you're getting into millions of households," said Amusement Today's Slade. "Jersey is sitting on 40 million people between New York and Philly. Chicago has Michigan, Illinois and Iowa. It's a massive ring of people that can come to the park. You go to Denver and that ring doesn't exist. Part of the ring is called the Rocky Mountains. Seattle is another example. It may have some population base to the north, the south and to the east, but everything west is the water." Nauss said that "98 percent of the entire U.S. population lives within an eight-hour drive of a Six Flags park." Last year anyone who watches TV and lives within a few hours drive of a Six Flags park was bombarded by the loud commercials featuring Mr. Six, the bald, bow tie-clad dancing gentleman who convinces people to board a bus to Six Flags. It's annoying, yes. But when it debuted last year it helped give them a "spark" in attendance, said Slade. The company sold off its European parks in 2004, something if continued could help overall, Zoltack said. "Key divestitures could reduce its debt load and leave them with core, profitable parks," said Zoltack. "The balancing act there is which to sell and which to keep. If they sell the dogs, they won't get a good price for them. If they sell core parks, they could lose money coming in. I'd say they're between a rock and a hard place." From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 10 23:07:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78359 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 06:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:07:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=o9d93bUm34OTbvT_0n2S7AXLg7ofI2EynCJRdHOHF26o4JRL X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 Enjoy the Last Gasp of Summer at Six Flags! Say goodbye to summer and to The Great Gasp with two weeks of special events July 28, 2005 Atlanta - Six Flags Over Georgia is offering some great ways to end your summer on a high note this year. The Last Gasp of Summer marks the end of weekday operations at the park, and the final drops of The Great Gasp. Two weeks of special concerts and events are planned during the celebration! During The Last Gasp of Summer, guests of the park will have an opportunity to be one of the last riders on The Great Gasp parachute drop ride. Riders on August 13 and 14 will receive a limited edition collector's button commemorating the final drops on The Great Gasp. Built in 1976, The Great Gasp has been a favorite with guests seeking the thrill of a 200-foot parachute drop. Sporting magnificent views of the Atlanta skyline, the Great Gasp has stood as a local icon, carrying over 15 million riders to lofty heights and back. Final rides will take place August 13 and 14, after which The Great Gasp will be retired following almost 30 years of service. Six Flags Over Georgia has teamed up with Publix supermarkets to deliver "School Supplies for Cool Kids." On July 31, receive $15 off a daily admission ticket at the park front gate with your gift of school supplies. Supplies will go to underprivileged children in the Atlanta area. Kids Fest brings one last concert series of the summer to Six Flags Over Georgia! The fun starts Saturday, August 6 with pop star Aaron Carter at 5 p.m. Immediately following is recording artist Christy Carlson Romano. Wrapping up Sunday, August 7 is Atlanta native Raven-Symone at 5 p.m. All concerts are free with park admission. In addition to the music, kids can drop by the Axis Arena during Kids Fest to play the all-new Kids Next Door trading card game at the interactive treehouse. Over in Bugs Bunny World kids will find balloon animals, games, modeling school tryouts, face painting and much, much more. It's not too late to pack in multiple days of fun this summer! Get a season pass at Publix for just $54.99 and come both days. Six Flags Over Georgia is open for daily operation through August 14, then weekend operation through October 30. Please visit sixflags.com for a complete schedule. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 05:55:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44390 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110555.AA42926252@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Gravity Gazette" , "Dave A." X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Coney's B and B Carousel saved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=fJtJfrQEbK1qLBJAGBH_QFVwEc5CJqBdnoPaa-2FWQvBMN_KZ2ok X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Just one day before it was scheduled to go up on the Guernsey's auction block, the B&B Carousel, Coney Island's last historic merry-go-round, was saved and will be purchased by the City of New York for $1.8 million dollars. This is joyous news in the face of the possibilties that the ride could have been bought by bidders from Ohio to Las Vegas and moved out of Coney, or worse even broken up at or post auction. Guernsey's did its best to ensure that the auction would proceed but thankfully, the more rational and civic-minded forces prevailed, with the last-minute agreeement in place. > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_080905_coneyislandcarouselAM.html < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 06:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96660 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:05:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110605.AA181076164@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=k4-r41JAe-oXtiJ9t2SGCJVuLfvnAz07fKR8PtRJ30FwCYefZFeu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >The best news I've heard all day < I figured someone would beat me to the punch posting this. Sorry for the repeat post, but hey -- it's worth it. This is terrific news. This ride is a big part of Coney's storied history, one of the few original rides left there. And its operation has been impressive -- ridiculously fast and even still with its original ring game. I'm very glad the city cared enough to save this jewel. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 06:35:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69414 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:37:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Coney Island cover up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=b0BJDwQVXMWmYiecPNO0OnU7-BsJeKhbIvo_dVLEZYyEs1IAsM3R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This was just posted on the CarouselHorse discussion board: ===== Coney Island cover up I'm glad the carousel was saved. But please don't give the officials from the City of NY any thanks for it. It was saved by a few wealthy individuals that put up the money in a non profit group. Not the officials from the City of NY. They could have cared less. The carousel is saved, will be restored and moved to a better location within the City. But none of it was due to the City officials. The mayor wouldn't even commit to the City donating any money to the move or restoration. Thankfully there are some real concerned citizens in NY that cared. It sure wasn't the City officials. See the real story here: > http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nycar104377789aug10,0,6108805.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 11 07:28:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93845 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) (64.102.122.148) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 14:28:17 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2005 07:28:14 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,100,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="5604586:sNHT133586820" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7BERkR9029506 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.242.43]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:27:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 14:27:32.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF83A1C0:01C59E80] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags downward spiral X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wF5fiSiw8XjRTX4Gi6in9fHIC9Y1L2ioQrF8ACS9LWlWCwIC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Wow .. after reading articles like this, it seems like they let just anyone into journalism school! I like how they imply that the whole company is going to go belly up just because of one bad coaster (with no mention to Cedar Fair, and the fact that they have the very same bad coaster). Cameron. On Aug 10, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Joseph Rehanek wrote: > Link: > http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050808/ > BUSINESS01/508080302/1066/BUSINESS01 > > After hyping Kingda Ka as "the tallest, fastest roller coaster on > Earth" throughout the winter and spring, one of the first messages to > greet visitors at the Six Flags Great Adventure theme park in Jackson, > N.J., earlier this summer told them the ride was closed indefinitely > for safety reasons. > > Madeline Wohl and Angela Moeller, both of Nassau, N.Y., knew that > before they arrived recently. Their kids were so excited about riding > Kingda Ka that they checked the daily updates on the theme park's Web > site to see if it reopened. > > "Everyone was disappointed," Moeller's 14-year-old son, Bryan, said. > > The ride reopened last week. That Kingda Ka was closed for the bulk of > the park's busy season because of a problem with its brakes is a > concern for Great Adventure's parent company, Oklahoma City-based Six > Flags Inc., which is trying to bounce back from disastrous financial > performance and declining park attendance. Six Flags' parks attendance > has dipped by a total of 10 million people over the past five years, > according to a study done by International Theme Park Associates. > > Six Flags has posted losses for the past six years, capped by a $460 > million loss in 2004. > > In its annual report, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Kieran E. > Burke wrote that the economy, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and bad > weather were to blame for the poor showing. But analysts and observers > familiar with the company say other amusement parks have managed to > rebound from those outside elements. For Six Flags, they say, it's a > result of over-purchasing and overpaying. > > The company is in about $2 billion of debt and barely able to cover > more than the cost of that debt, said Dennis Speigel, president of > International Theme Park Services Inc., an industry consulting firm in > Ohio. > > "Six Flags was once the icon in the industry," said Speigel. "It was a > leader. It had the greatest product. It was clean. It was making money > and at the top of its game. It's not the icon that it once was. It's > lost its luster. Those of us in the industry familiar with Six Flags > for 40 years hate to see that." > > Not so, says Debbie Nauser, the company's spokesperson. > > "Our company remains in sound financial shape," Nauser wrote in an > e-mail. "We now have no public debt that matures before 2010. We also > have always taken great care to have ample liquidity and credit > support. We maintain a substantial cash balance of over $115 million > and have almost $400 million in committed lines of credit available to > us." > > Six Flags reports its second-quarter earnings at the close of business > today. > > Last year the company's capital expenditures budget was $135 million, > not much for a chain with 31 regional parks, said James Zoltack, > editor of industry trade magazine Amusement Business. > > "Their debt is so high it affects their ability to invest in the > park," Zoltack said. "The money that might have gone to capital > expenditures goes to debt service. That's a tough position to be in." > > Many of the parks require maintenance that they're not able to get. > > "Overall, the Six Flags system is showing its age in the fact that > these parks are maturing and are reaching the point where many need an > infusion of capital to bring the facilities back to new again," said > Gary Slade, editor and publisher of industry trade publication > Amusement Today. > > Kingda Ka and the jungle-themed area within the park that houses it > represented a $40 million push by the company to regain momentum. It > did, receiving media attention from outlets ranging from Time magazine > to the Desert Morning News in Utah, until it closed for repairs > because of safety concerns. > > Given the death last week of a 7-year-old boy at Rye Playland, it is > ever more clear that safety is not something amusement parks can > afford to take lightly. Six Flags' parks are not immune to tragedy. > The most recent death at the company's parks occurred last May at Six > Flags New England, when a man slipped from a ride because the T-bar > restraint lifted. In 2003 a woman was struck and killed by a ride at > Six Flags New Orleans; in 2002 a woman was killed when a water ride > capsized, causing her to drown at Six Flags Over Texas; a man fell to > his death in 2002 after he stood up during a ride at Denver's Six > Flags Elitch Gardens; and an employee was killed at Six Flags Over > Georgia in 2002 when he walked into a locked area that was in the path > of an upside-down roller coaster and was struck in the head by a > passenger's legs. > > A report done by the International Association of Amusement Parks and > Attractions says that over the past two decades there have been an > average of two deaths a year on amusement park rides. > > Great Adventure is the closest Six Flags park to the northern suburbs, > at just under a two-hour drive from White Plains. In 2003 the Superman > roller coaster was added for about $15 million, and in 2004 the Batman > stunt show went up for about $2.5 million. > > Mark Ashley and his 13-year-old daughter, Victoria, watched the rest > of their family ride Nitro, a coaster that from its highest point > drops 200 feet to the ground. They're not roller coaster types, but > Ashley's stepson was disappointed by Kingda Ka's closing, after the > family drove to Great Adventure from Rhode Island. > > "My stepson is obsessed with going on the fastest, tallest roller > coaster," Mark Ashley said. > > Mark and Victoria Ashley would have liked to visit the water park, Six > Flags Hurricane Harbor, but the ticket price is not included in the > cost of admission to the main park. > > When Premiere Parks purchased Six Flags Inc. in 1998 from Time Warner > Inc., the company went on a buying spree, purchasing second-tier parks > across the country. They overpaid for many of those acquisitions, and > never made up the money since many of those parks don't have the > population necessary to support them. > > Chicago's Six Flags Great America, New Jersey's Great Adventure, > Atlanta's Six Flags Over Georgia, Six Flags AstroWorld in Houston and > Los Angeles' Six Flags Magic Mountain are among the company's most > successful properties. > > "You look at any of those properties and start drawing a population > ring around the property and you're getting into millions of > households," said Amusement Today's Slade. "Jersey is sitting on 40 > million people between New York and Philly. Chicago has Michigan, > Illinois and Iowa. It's a massive ring of people that can come to the > park. You go to Denver and that ring doesn't exist. Part of the ring > is called the Rocky Mountains. Seattle is another example. It may have > some population base to the north, the south and to the east, but > everything west is the water." > > Nauss said that "98 percent of the entire U.S. population lives within > an eight-hour drive of a Six Flags park." > > Last year anyone who watches TV and lives within a few hours drive of > a Six Flags park was bombarded by the loud commercials featuring Mr. > Six, the bald, bow tie-clad dancing gentleman who convinces people to > board a bus to Six Flags. It's annoying, yes. But when it debuted last > year it helped give them a "spark" in attendance, said Slade. > > The company sold off its European parks in 2004, something if > continued could help overall, Zoltack said. > > "Key divestitures could reduce its debt load and leave them with core, > profitable parks," said Zoltack. "The balancing act there is which to > sell and which to keep. If they sell the dogs, they won't get a good > price for them. If they sell core parks, they could lose money coming > in. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 08:23:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46790 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 15:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 15:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 15:23:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 15:23:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:23:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.179.171 From: "Matt" Subject: Knoebels trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=PeeQJp_BC8EVtQqI0JIShfntYKFEt7fRyo4HQ9Q__3T_MshZDwvLf7k X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thinking of planning a week long trip to Knoebels next year and was curious if staying a week would be too long and was wondering if there is much too do in that area other than Knoebels within a two hour radius?? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 12:43:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 19:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 19:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 19:43:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:43:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:43:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dt-1eRTP0HK7VAOsDyuWHW9-9iqy33_f3j5OgawVYOtmaMY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rehanek" wrote: >SNIP > > Built in 1976, The Great Gasp has been a favorite with guests seeking > the thrill of a 200-foot parachute drop. Sporting magnificent views of > the Atlanta skyline, the Great Gasp has stood as a local icon, > carrying over 15 million riders to lofty heights and back. Final rides > will take place August 13 and 14, after which The Great Gasp will be > retired following almost 30 years of service. > > SNIP So, what happens next? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 12:52:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40092 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 19:52:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:51:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:51:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:51:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Spaghetti Wednesdays draw patrons back to amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tAY-IWHXmWj9rAfzfEQIQ2KcuzWwmvneXrGt-OKlSt0EaNI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 10, 2005 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05222/551101.stm By Paula Reed Ward Tipton, PA -- It hearkens back to a more innocent age, this small,=20 intimate place that's been updated through the years. In its earliest=20 days it contained mostly farmland and skating rinks. Now it includes=20 30 rides, a water park, miniature golf course and even go-karts. But it's the food - specifically Spaghetti Wednesdays - at=20 DelGrosso's Amusement Park in Tipton, Blair County, that keeps people=20 coming back week after week. The DelGrosso family bought the former Bland's Park just off I-99 in=20 1946, just as the family was getting its food business off the=20 ground. The DelGrossos had a canning factory there for their array of=20 sauces until 1976. Then family members wanted a place to showcase their spaghetti sauce.=20 What better way to do it, they thought, than to host weekly community=20 dinners at the local amusement park. Spaghetti Wednesdays were started in 2002, and they now draw more=20 than 1,300 people to the park for lunch and dinner, said Peter=20 Gardella, president of DelGrosso's Amusement Park Inc. "It's a social=20 event locally," Gardella said. One of the things that attracts people is that all the pasta is=20 cooked fresh, and all the dishes are homemade, he said. It takes=20 about 6 people cooking and 25 serving to run Spaghetti Wednesdays=20 smoothly. "There are people that come every Wednesday," he said. "A=20 lot of people enjoy trying the different features." Besides its standard spaghetti and meatballs, DelGrosso's also serves=20 one specialty dish each week such as stuffed shells, linguine with=20 clam sauce and lasagna. Ray Amato, a supervisor in Antis, the township that contains Tipton,=20 is one of the locals who eat at the park weekly. He loves the=20 eggplant parmesan. Amato often holds luncheon meetings there for township business, and=20 on weeks with no sessions, he takes his wife and grandchildren to the=20 park for dinner. Besides eating, the kids like to play miniature golf and go on the=20 rides. "It's just a great park," said Amato, 70. "It's for the=20 people. The prices are right. They go out of their way to serve you=20 in any way possible." Over the years, the park has seen its share of ups & downs. There=20 were times when DelGrosso family members had to work without pay to=20 keep the place running. But, the past several years have not been so=20 difficult. Much of their success, Gardella said, depends on the weather. This=20 year it's been fantastic. He added that it seems amusement parks are=20 coming back in vogue, and DelGrosso's is no exception. "We've been=20 riding that tide the last 10 years," he said. He attributes the park's popularity to its location. In Tipton, there=20 aren't a lot of entertainment options - no movie theaters; no fine=20 restaurants. The rural atmosphere helps bring people in, he said.=20 There are 16 park pavilions at DelGrosso's - some of which hold as=20 many as 1,000 people. Every weekend, they're packed with people=20 holding family reunions and company picnics. "If we had more, they'd=20 be full," he said. Lunch on Spaghetti Wednesdays is served from 11:30am-1:30pm, and=20 dinner is served from 4:30-7pm. Meals, including beverages, are $5.45=20 for adults, and $3.95 for children. Spaghetti Wednesdays run through=20 Aug. 24. ------------- =A91997-2005 PG Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 13:02:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49271 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 20:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 20:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 20:02:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:59:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 19:59:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:59:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Lakeside Carousel photos highlight Saturday's 23rd Crystal Artfest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Y7CvgvW-khUYZVHxjCzWlFQtERd22RKa1G0tw-bMPph-gZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2005 The Daily News http://www.thedailynews.cc/articles/2005/08/11/news/news01.txt By Elisabeth Waldon CRYSTAL, MI -- Buffie Nodus loved to ride the Lakeside Carousel when=20 she was a girl growing up in Crystal. The merry-go-round was built in 1916 at a factory in North Tonawanda,=20 N.Y., for the Lakeside Amusement Park in Flint. In 1936, the Great=20 Depression forced the park to close. Its owner, Dr. J.D. Stuart,=20 moved to the shores of Crystal Lake and brought the carousel with=20 him. It found a new home near Crystal Township Park. After Stuart retired in 1945, the carousel was owned & operated by=20 the Schroll & Reaume families until 1970. It then was sold to Rele=20 Inc., which continued to operate the merry-go-round in Crystal until=20 1979, when it was donated to the Michigan State University Museum in=20 East Lansing. The museum loaned the ride to AutoWorld in Flint where it remained=20 for years until AutoWorld was demolished in 1996. The merry-go-round=20 then was sent to Carousel Concepts in Marion, Ohio, where it remains=20 today. Last November, Nodus jumped at the chance to visit her colorful=20 childhood memory with her husband, Victor. She quickly picked out her=20 favorite horse to ride as a child, a palomino. "I was so excited. I=20 had goosebumps," she said. "It's much lighter in color because it's=20 been restored, but it's still absolutely gorgeous. Just to sit on it,=20 walk through it, take pictures..." Nodus knows a lot about taking pictures. She got her first camera at=20 age 12 and has been an avid photographer ever since. Nodus will be on=20 hand for Saturday's 23rd annual Crystal Artfest, displaying and=20 selling her vivid photos of Crystal, which she often takes while=20 pedaling her bicycle around town with crackers in her bike basket for=20 Crystal Lake's swans. Nodus' photo documentation of the former Lakeside Carousel will be on=20 display along with several other projects of hers, including a photo=20 documentation of the demolition of the Lakeside Bar & Grill, which=20 was torn down earlier this year in downtown Crystal. She also has=20 created a map of the history of Crystal's streets. "The Artfest is=20 really fantastic," Nodus said. "It's a good outlet for my work and=20 history." Nodus' work has graced the covers of several Montcalm County=20 telephone books and she has won a variety of awards. She frequently=20 has taken part in the Artfest since 1988. "It draws people and they=20 get to see the lake and the town, the library book sale, different=20 things in the park and the car show is just awesome," Nodus said. "I=20 know it's good for me. It's been a great outlet." Buck and Mary Ann Last are co-founders of the Crystal Arts Council,=20 which sponsors the Artfest. "It's a chance for people to get together=20 and renew friendships and chat," Buck said. "It has a good mixture of=20 crafts and it's just something that people look forward to. It's just=20 a very exciting place to be. It grows every year and more and more=20 people come and have fun." "It is a fun place to gather and the car show makes it interesting,"=20 Mary Ann agreed. "Crystal is celebrating its 150 years, which makes=20 it even more interesting." The Crystal Arts Council will present the 23rd annual Crystal Artfest=20 from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday in Crystal Township Park. Call Buck=20 and Mary Ann Last at (989) 235-4065 for more information. ---------------- =A9 2005 The Daily News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 13:05:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96406 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 20:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 20:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 20:05:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 20:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 20:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 20:05:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1486 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Wescott drops raceway zoning challenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DWjHKGewPb-Nhf09Ez9BxOxrI1hAmueCTDltX0yUz2pNM8o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2005 Shawano Leader http://www.shawanoleader.com/articles/2005/08/10/news/news1.txt By Tim Ryan Wescott, WI -- A Town of Wescott challenge to a county ruling that=20 allowed Midwest Amusement Park to operate a racetrack has gone as far=20 as officials are willing to take it. After having an appeal denied by the Shawano County Board of=20 Adjustment last month, town officials decided Tuesday they would not=20 pursue the matter in court. The Town Board met Tuesday night for the first time since the Board=20 of Adjustment voted 3-1 against Wescott's appeal of a county=20 Planning, Development & Zoning decision to grant a conditional use=20 permit for operation of the racetrack, known as USA International=20 Raceway. Town officials voted 3-2 against appealing the Board of Adjustment=20 ruling in circuit court. Chairman Mike Schuler and supervisor Brian=20 Moesch voted in favor of continuing the challenge; supervisors=20 Marlene Brown, Bruce "Duffy" Schultz, and Phil Zuhse voted against. "My gut feeling is we're not going to win it," Zuhse said. Town attorney Richard Carlson told the board their chances of success=20 were not better than 50-50. Schultz said he didn't feel the estimated $2,500 expense would be=20 worth it, considering that ultimately -- even if the town won -- the=20 county would only need to amend its ordinance to add a racetrack. "Why should we continue spending taxpayers' money when they can=20 override us?" he said. ------------ =A9 2005 The Shawano Leader From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Aug 11 14:40:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33373 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 21:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 21:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 21:40:58 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.1dd.4309a83c (15863) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742fbc5d987; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:40:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:40:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42FBC5C1.80806@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Knoebels trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=CPyFkC_H8kSsyzT1914qbNhn9DPkl13Bu14qZ4z_5QtfgQHe_g X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote on 8/11/2005, 11:23 AM: > Thinking of planning a week long trip to Knoebels next year and was > curious if staying a week would be too long and was wondering if there > is much too do in that area other than Knoebels within a two hour > radius?? Well, it depends on what you like to do. Lots of people spend a week or more at Knoebels just to relax and do much of nothing. That may not be for you. Fortunately, if it isn't, there are other, non-amusement park related things to do in the area (unless you want amusement park, Dorney and Hershey are less then two hours away). For instance, not far away, in Ashland, you can take the Pioneer Coal Mine tour, and visit the State Anthrocite Museum next door (believe it or not, the state actually has two coal related museums). While in Ashland, check out Devito's on E Centre St, excellent Italian food. A little further down Rt 61 in Pottsville you can take a tour of the Yuengling plant, because who doesn't like a good beer. Some sites you might want to check out: http://www.itourcolumbiamontour.com/ http://www.schuylkill.org/ http://www.cityofwilliamsport.org/ http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From coreyml03@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 15:47:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15687 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 22:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 22:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 22:47:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 22:47:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 22:47:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 22:47:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:47:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.219.15.140 From: "corey" Subject: Re: NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=B-N1a6eisYMeDDql8rtywKRA0GHRd7V5b5R7AS0cWnoAzrjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 http://www.11alive.com/video/player.aspx?aid=42757&sid=67588&bw=&cid=51 video of the gasp and a tease on "Starship" --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rehanek" wrote: > Enjoy the Last Gasp of Summer at Six Flags! > Say goodbye to summer and to The Great Gasp with two weeks of special > events > > July 28, 2005 > > Atlanta - Six Flags Over Georgia is offering some great ways to end > your summer on a high note this year. The Last Gasp of Summer marks > the end of weekday operations at the park, and the final drops of The > Great Gasp. Two weeks of special concerts and events are planned > during the celebration! > > During The Last Gasp of Summer, guests of the park will have an > opportunity to be one of the last riders on The Great Gasp parachute > drop ride. Riders on August 13 and 14 will receive a limited edition > collector's button commemorating the final drops on The Great Gasp. > > Built in 1976, The Great Gasp has been a favorite with guests seeking > the thrill of a 200-foot parachute drop. Sporting magnificent views of > the Atlanta skyline, the Great Gasp has stood as a local icon, > carrying over 15 million riders to lofty heights and back. Final rides > will take place August 13 and 14, after which The Great Gasp will be > retired following almost 30 years of service. > > Six Flags Over Georgia has teamed up with Publix supermarkets to > deliver "School Supplies for Cool Kids." On July 31, receive $15 off a > daily admission ticket at the park front gate with your gift of school > supplies. Supplies will go to underprivileged children in the Atlanta > area. > > Kids Fest brings one last concert series of the summer to Six Flags > Over Georgia! The fun starts Saturday, August 6 with pop star Aaron > Carter at 5 p.m. Immediately following is recording artist Christy > Carlson Romano. Wrapping up Sunday, August 7 is Atlanta native > Raven-Symone at 5 p.m. All concerts are free with park admission. > > In addition to the music, kids can drop by the Axis Arena during Kids > Fest to play the all-new Kids Next Door trading card game at the > interactive treehouse. Over in Bugs Bunny World kids will find balloon > animals, games, modeling school tryouts, face painting and much, much > more. > > It's not too late to pack in multiple days of fun this summer! Get a > season pass at Publix for just $54.99 and come both days. Six Flags > Over Georgia is open for daily operation through August 14, then > weekend operation through October 30. Please visit sixflags.com for a > complete schedule. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 11 16:33:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26047 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3MYE-0007RU-TW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <42FBE048.2070507@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf29c60783ed6f104b0ba77918b8039c31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6XbDOK1LQnl1rnU39oEbAt3pdqYl7AZG3XkbOWrODc1QbII X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Joseph Rehanek wrote: > Enjoy the Last Gasp of Summer at Six Flags! > During The Last Gasp of Summer, guests of the park will have an > opportunity to be one of the last riders on The Great Gasp parachute > drop ride. Riders on August 13 and 14 will receive a limited edition > collector's button commemorating the final drops on The Great Gasp. Personally, it's going to be sad to see this ride go. There are so few of them left, and it seems like the last ones are disappearing pretty quick. Am I right that there are only 2 of them left in the country? (SFoT and one of the East Coast parks?) Makes me really happy that I took the kids on it last summer when we were at the park and drilled them to remember the ride since it might be the only time they get to ride something like it. Sadly, it looks like my words may end up being a bit more prophetic than I though. If anyone is interested, they're not great of the ride, but my couple of pictures of it can be found at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/181041/3/6842018 With a few before it of the view from the ride. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 11 16:39:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34282 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 23:39:08 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3Mdg-0002ee-60 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:39:08 -0400 Message-ID: <42FBE19B.2090608@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:39:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf7b67cdbc3056bdc26b4e9462a2539c35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coney Island cover up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Zcyervi-Ci97soR0SPI6zGglGsT2tvFntscRYwAgv9f7kuA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > This was just posted on the CarouselHorse discussion board: > The carousel is saved, will be restored and moved to a better location > within the City. But none of it was due to the City officials. The mayor > wouldn't even commit to the City donating any money to the move or > restoration. > > Thankfully there are some real concerned citizens in NY that cared. It > sure wasn't the City officials. Hmm. If you read the story, it's not quite the story that the person that made the post is saying that it is either. 2 of the big contributers that are noted are both City Councilmen, which would seem to indicate city officials to me. And just because Mr. Bloomberg says, "I try not to talk about my own philanthropy" doesn't mean he's not contributing. It means that he prefers not to discuss where he donates money, which is completely within his perogative. I doubt that this would be happening without him contributing in some fashion anyways. And I don't know that it's a bad thing that they mayor wouldn't commit city money. Is that legitimate without asking the voters first if they approve of the expenditure? And I can think of several other possible legal issues there. Not sure that's within a city's proper jurisdiction. Permissions? Yes. Individuals wanting to contribute? Absolutely. Government money? That's iffy. Sounds more like someone is still thinking politics instead of being happy for what is happening. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 17:30:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81419 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 00:30:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:32:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200508111732.AA241959052@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: RCT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=yGhN2SOq8tFbQZpY2nlyh5MJueCIYdBCpfabor_l0tRzfeL2puxU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Even better, its finally being ported to OS X! < I know what I'm asking Santa for this year! I wish they'd port the original RCTs over as well. But, like I said before, I spent way to much time playing them.... Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 11 17:36:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85321 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 00:36:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58CD9A86 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200508111732.AA241959052@karenandjay.com> References: <200508111732.AA241959052@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:36:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=c_JSZqBYqgxTlUQ_6IZDCBiFffFxa99dVkOZDxXYgtL_iGkw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Jay, >> Even better, its finally being ported to OS X! < > > I know what I'm asking Santa for this year! I wish they'd port the > original RCTs over as well. But, like I said before, I spent way > to much time playing them.... I'd also like to see the original games ported to OS-X .. but they were written in Intel assembly, so it's just never going to happen! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jophish17@comcast.net Thu Aug 11 18:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3607 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:11:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Williams Grove owner looks for park buyer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=zXRcDpucIiMa1utLGPL0oj8Lah_OUA6T5-Gq--wnaRRod3OG X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 In the hulking shadow of Hersheypark, tiny Williams Grove Amusement Park in Cumberland County has offered visitors a chance to travel back in time to 1850 for the price of $1. Now, owner Morgan Hughes said he hopes to sell the 155-year-old fun park to a larger amusement park operator. He said he would sell the park to the highest bidder, with two stipulations: # "It's not for sale to a developer -- it is only for sale to somebody who would keep it as an amusement park." # Any deal would not include nearby Williams Grove Speedway, which Hughes also owns and is not planning to sell. "The speedway will remain a speedway as long as I live and as long as any member of my family or my adopted family lives," Hughes said, referring to members of the Loh family who have helped run the park for two generations. His grown children, Kathleen and Michael Hughes, own businesses in Philadelphia and New Jersey and aren't interested in taking over the amusement park, he said. He doesn't have grandchildren. Hughes, 86, is a native Irishman who made a fortune importing amusement-park rides from Europe after World War II. He bought Williams Grove in 1971 to keep him occupied in his retirement. "We bought this park because it was kind of a retirement thing, yeah?" Hughes said in his slight Irish brogue. "We were looking forward to retirement. As it was, I'm still working." Hughes and his wife, Ingrid, the general manager of the park, often work up to 14 hours a day, tending to the aging park and the speedway. "We get up in the morning, sometimes 6 o'clock, sometimes 5 o'clock, looking after the flowers and feeding the ducks and the swans," Hughes said. This past Monday, a day the park was closed, the swans grazed happily on the unmanicured lawn, near a mini-golf course and a couple of volleyball nets. Nearby, "The Cyclone," a wooden roller coaster built in 1938, was idle, like a museum relic -- but one that still works. Although he has not spoken with either company, Hughes singled out Hershey Entertainment & Resorts and Cedar Fair LP as the type of companies he would like to sell to. Cedar Fair owns seven parks, including Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, one of the world's largest amusement parks. A spokeswoman for Hershey Entertainment said the company has had no discussions and has no plans to buy Williams Grove. Cedar Fair also hasn't been contacted and hasn't looked at the property. Both companies have expanded their empires by buying up much smaller, neighboring parks. In 2001, Hershey Entertainment bought 48-acre Dutch Wonderland near Lancaster for an undisclosed price from the Clark family, who had owned it since 1963. Cedar Fair bought Dorney Park Wildwater Kingdom, on 200 acres near Allentown, in 1992. "If somebody comes in and does $3 million here, it's certainly going to take some money away from Hershey," Hughes said. "Everything's competition. The guy who has a pinball machine is competition." Not that Hughes -- who says he sold Walt Disney one of his first rides -- thinks Williams Grove ever rivaled Hersheypark. "We're not a major competitor," he said. But for many years, some area companies and local families have chosen Williams Grove over Hersheypark for summer outings and picnics. Jill Heckard, 36, of Mechanicsburg, has been going to Williams Grove since she was a child. Now, she holds birthday parties there every year for her daughter, Allyson, 8. Although the family goes to Hersheypark once a year, Heckard is not a fan. "It's just too crowded, it's too expensive, the lines are too long," she said. At Williams Grove, "you don't have to follow [the kids] around as much. And it's not so hot. There are places to sit. ... We bring a grill and make hamburgers." Company picnics are the biggest source of revenue for Williams Grove. Companies can rent the park exclusively for a day and have all the details arranged by sales manager Sally Loh, who is available during the event to handle any problems. Ross Stores Inc.'s distribution center in Carlisle is one local business that has returned year after year to Williams Grove for its picnic. Linda Reddig, an administrative assistant at Ross, said the park's ownership is immaterial to her. "As long as they continue with the same service and atmosphere as they had in the past, I would not be concerned at all," she said. "There has always been a great rapport between us and Williams Grove, and we would probably go back." From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 18:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26323 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 01:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 96412 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 01:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20050812011320.96410.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:13:20 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:13:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=VhHbU6LqJpkCN6mEpUsBkGuouI4RebRL0izaUk-ECRVdzm5O X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > I'd also like to see the original games ported to > OS-X .. but they > were written in Intel assembly, so it's just never > going to happen! > > Cameron. Cam, why not? Or have you not heard that Apple is going t use Intel chips in their newer Macs now. They have been running OS-X on Intel chips for almost two years now (behind cloded doors of course). They have some type of conversion software to make Mac programs work on Intel chips. lata, jeremy --who knows this is somewhat off-topic... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jophish17@comcast.net Thu Aug 11 18:22:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72602 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 01:22:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 01:22:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 01:22:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:22:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42FBE048.2070507@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=oOzstye0X9CAv9tyy8kL4h5JelIoupRL0-u_qu_88NGd4lo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > Personally, it's going to be sad to see this ride go. There are so few > of them left, and it seems like the last ones are disappearing pretty > quick. Am I right that there are only 2 of them left in the country? > (SFoT and one of the East Coast parks?) Six Flags Great Adventure is the only other one left. I'd imagine these two parks will pick up some of the parts, whatever SFOG doesn't keep themselves or sell to enthusiasts (both are currently planned) > Makes me really happy that I took the kids on it last summer when we > were at the park and drilled them to remember the ride since it might be > the only time they get to ride something like it. Sadly, it looks like > my words may end up being a bit more prophetic than I though. > > If anyone is interested, they're not great of the ride, but my couple of > pictures of it can be found at: > http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/181041/3/6842018 > With a few before it of the view from the ride. > > keep on ridin' > George > Not to overstep your own site, but I have added a special tribute page to the ride on my own site, located here: http://sfog.parktrips.com/aug112005.htm There are a couple of photos (I'll add more after I go tomorrow for a passholder event), some history of the ride and a short video. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > > So, what happens next? > > -Alan Well, land is being cleared, the neighboring Looping Starship is already being dismantled, survey markers have been visible for months and judging by the size of the plot of land, it looks like a hypercoaster may be on its way. Still no "official" word, though a September announcement is likely. I'm somewhat suprised since 2007 will be the park's 40th anniversary, I thought the "big one" was going to come then. The management has wanted a hyper for years, perhaps they finally got it approved. There are issues with height because the park is located within a mile of a small airport, plus Six Flags' financial situation. You can find some pictures below: http://sfog.playride.com/2006/ http://sfog.parktrips.com/ So, I guess that answers your question... From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 11 18:27:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32680 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D979A86 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:27:18 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050812011320.96410.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050812011320.96410.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AF49766-1117-4E1C-A4B7-EF848A52B70C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:27:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=kUBC7ohByrIdQhlg_v5XLzlsPDg1qU3iXWzJl95O2QtnWSmZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Jeremy, Yeah, I'd heard .. But Intel Macs won't be on the market for almost a year .. by that point the original game will be around 8 years old - I can't see them spending the time/money to port it. And yes, it would still require a massive amount of work.. It's a shame .. as RCT3 leaves me quite cold. Cameron. On Aug 11, 2005, at 20:13, Jeremy Norris wrote: > --- Cameron Silver wrote: > >> I'd also like to see the original games ported to >> OS-X .. but they >> were written in Intel assembly, so it's just never >> going to happen! >> >> Cameron. >> > > Cam, why not? Or have you not heard that Apple is > going t use Intel chips in their newer Macs now. They > have been running OS-X on Intel chips for almost two > years now (behind cloded doors of course). They have > some type of conversion software to make Mac programs > work on Intel chips. > lata, jeremy > --who knows this is somewhat off-topic... > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > What would our > lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer > in the arts today at Network for Good. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Aug 12 01:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71529 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:53:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.202.73.66 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Review: Alton towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=kQxOJZw2MqRUyTFbkCGZm01Os90KfmXN0G4vffwKrDZAfHeLIVB-vL8 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus So - I visited Alton towers yesterday - my first visit for over 3 years (last time I got turned away from some of the rides, as I was too big for the harnesses, I have lost 3.5 stone (nearly 50 pounds - 22ish kilos) over the past year. arrived at about 11am, no troubles getting in, the park didn't seem quite as busy as expected for holiday time... When I got in I had a look at the queuing times for the rides - they were all about 10 or 20 minutes max - air was 30, but "Rita" was down as a *3 hour* wait.. Well - Rita just had to be done - so I joined the queue - I was thinking it didn't look a 3 hour queue.. about 30 minutes into the queue - I saw a sign which appeareed to say 30 minutes from here - i thought "no way"... A further 15 minutes and I noticed the "single rider" queue (They just use singles to fill in empty spaces on the rides) I didn't realise they had these! however - I then saw another sign saying 15 minutes to go so I waited in line. I waited longer for a front row seat, total queuing time was about 1 and a quarter hours - wonder why the queue time signs lied?? It is well worth getting a front seat, the ride starts with a launch that goes from 0-100kph in 2.5 seconds you then do a few twists - and that's it - the ride is over in about 30 seconds! definitely worth it for the launch though - rating - 8.5/10 Next up I did nemesis - the single rider queue got me on in about 2 minutes, but I think it's worth a front seat her for the view! It is a floorless coaster, with lot's of corkscrews and a couple of loops packed into a relatively small area.. The ride is as awesome and intense as I can remember - as well as being long enough to get your moneys worth, but not too long - rating 10/10, legendary stuff! I then had an aborted attempt queuing for air, as the ride broke down... So - it was then on to the spinball whizzer, this is a small steel coaster, with the cars consisting of 4 back to back seats, the cars spin round whilst you're on the tracks making it a cross between a "mouse" style coaster and a waltzer... I loved this ride, Rating 10/10 - another classic at AT.. I then tried air again - another brief breakdown, but I got on within 50 minutes (single rider queue again), another floorless, but with a difference, once harnessed in the floor drops and you're lifted to a head first position there are no loops this time, but a few twists - ride area is slightly larger than nemesis, not quite as intense - rating 9/10 I didn't have time for oblivion, but I've done that a couple of times before... Oh - and I was fine in the harnesses. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 07:03:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60045 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 14:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 14:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 14:03:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 14:01:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 14:01:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:01:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42FBC5C1.80806@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.247.72 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Knoebels trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=LLiqr913mqLJ40rB6uz16TO8zvI6Z-7f5I2piNg4fAWYfXS0ZAMWWss X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks Nathan I figured you would have some ideas. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > > > Matt wrote on 8/11/2005, 11:23 AM: > > > Thinking of planning a week long trip to Knoebels next year and was > > curious if staying a week would be too long and was wondering if there > > is much too do in that area other than Knoebels within a two hour > > radius?? > > Well, it depends on what you like to do. Lots of people spend a week or > more at Knoebels just to relax and do much of nothing. That may not be > for you. Fortunately, if it isn't, there are other, non-amusement park > related things to do in the area (unless you want amusement park, Dorney > and Hershey are less then two hours away). > > For instance, not far away, in Ashland, you can take the Pioneer Coal > Mine tour, and visit the State Anthrocite Museum next door (believe it > or not, the state actually has two coal related museums). While in > Ashland, check out Devito's on E Centre St, excellent Italian food. > > A little further down Rt 61 in Pottsville you can take a tour of the > Yuengling plant, because who doesn't like a good beer. > > Some sites you might want to check out: > > http://www.itourcolumbiamontour.com/ > > http://www.schuylkill.org/ > > http://www.cityofwilliamsport.org/ > > http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 08:10:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15793 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28425 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 15:10:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20050812151023.28423.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:10:23 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5AF49766-1117-4E1C-A4B7-EF848A52B70C@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: OFF-TOPIC PCs & Macs (was Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=m9MFV4wsS59oH9KxlxJf1QlvCyKnKgIfrACCAcLCW_PAta_N X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 -- Cameron Silver wrote: > Hey Jeremy, > > Yeah, I'd heard .. But Intel Macs won't be on the > market for almost a > year .. by that point the original game will be > around 8 years old - > I can't see them spending the time/money to port it. > And yes, it > would still require a massive amount of work.. > > It's a shame .. as RCT3 leaves me quite cold. Okay, I know this is off-topic, but this is a question I've wanted to ask Mac users for a while, but most "mac-friendly" sites would treat the question as a heresy and flame me like Joan of Arc. But our Mac users here are the more level headed sort so I'll ask. Cam (and any others), understanding that you have a preference to Mac, which is fine, weel, and good, but why dont you have a PC as well? PCs are pretty much dirt cheap and buying one isnt much more expensive than getting a new gaming Console. That way you'd have access to games and other PC specific software. Me, I'm mostly a PC guy, except for when I was in college I used Macs and Unix. I wouldnt mind having a mac at home, but they are so darn expensive (the mini is attractive though). I *really* want a Mac laptop, but well, the fiancee wont go for that right now ;). But yeah, why not have a cheapie PC on hand for *bleeps* and giggles? lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Aug 12 13:03:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43152 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 20:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 20:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 20:03:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 20:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 20:03:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:03:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.76.53 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: OT: Back "on board" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=CDKXHM2WtQf_NZ5FtWjOcVI61THpjwHfWB6Cj-IH_O0cxTMk X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Hi all, Just a quick post to let you know that I'm back on the list after an absence of a few weeks. I had edited my membership to "no emails" as my new bride and I were in the process of: 1)getting married, 2)honeymooning, and 3)setting up her computer at my house. Looking forward to getting back in the loop about coaster and park news from around the country! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 12 13:13:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23749 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2005 13:13:08 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,103,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="331781677:sNHT90463502" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7CKCtZ9026695 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:12:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.240.155]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:12:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050812151023.28423.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050812151023.28423.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:12:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 20:12:53.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[38AC9C70:01C59F7A] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC PCs & Macs (was Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=x_SZNMyW2Q_-sKV4_mzr_AH_V65AM1oL_fA80HdkdI5XmppC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Jeremy, A very fair question .. There are a few reasons why I don't just go buy a PC .. 1) I only use laptops .. an Intel/Windows laptop is quite a bit more expensive than an el-cheapo desktop PC - even more so for one powerful enough to play a game like Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. 2) I almost never play video games (aside from Gameboy, DS, and PSP), so I don't want to spend my money on any major piece of hardware just for games (that includes consoles). When I bought my powerbook (two years ago), I'd already stopped playing the original RCT. 3) From what I've seen and played of RCT 3, I'm genuinely not that interested in it. While I might pick up a copy one day (I doubt it'll run on my current Powerbook anyway), I haven't been at all upset that I can't run it. (Note: I haven't spent more than about one hour total with it .. played a friends copy). 4) If I were to go out and get special hardware for games, it'd be a PS3. 5) For the money I'd spend on even a cheap PC, I could take a road trip to a cool new-to-me park! Cameron. On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Jeremy Norris wrote: > -- Cameron Silver wrote: > >> Hey Jeremy, >> >> Yeah, I'd heard .. But Intel Macs won't be on the >> market for almost a >> year .. by that point the original game will be >> around 8 years old - >> I can't see them spending the time/money to port it. >> And yes, it >> would still require a massive amount of work.. >> >> It's a shame .. as RCT3 leaves me quite cold. >> > > Okay, I know this is off-topic, but this is a question > I've wanted to ask Mac users for a while, but most > "mac-friendly" sites would treat the question as a > heresy and flame me like Joan of Arc. But our Mac > users here are the more level headed sort so I'll ask. > > Cam (and any others), understanding that you have a > preference to Mac, which is fine, weel, and good, but > why dont you have a PC as well? PCs are pretty much > dirt cheap and buying one isnt much more expensive > than getting a new gaming Console. That way you'd > have access to games and other PC specific software. > > Me, I'm mostly a PC guy, except for when I was in > college I used Macs and Unix. I wouldnt mind having a > mac at home, but they are so darn expensive (the mini > is attractive though). I *really* want a Mac laptop, > but well, the fiancee wont go for that right now ;). > > But yeah, why not have a cheapie PC on hand for > *bleeps* and giggles? > lata, jeremy > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** It's drinking * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the water!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 13:17:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31066 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 20:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 20:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 20:17:27 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so512828rnf for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.79.31 with SMTP id c31mr492646rnb; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305081213175c986989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:17:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Back "on board" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=hGE_bFgevUKJm6ARZz1GC981PY0oFGarBfl8YMmjOpLpOK5o X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Congrats and welcome back, Jon! :)=20 - Beth From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 14:01:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98636 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 21:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:01:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:01:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:01:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Suicide theme park for Hong Kong island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X1mQXkzNWazS9qlUYsGQlopJW-EvX3D-0PAhbBWo0ilukyM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 13, 2005 Daily Times http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_11-8-2005_pg9_5 Cheung Chau, China -- A Hong Kong official said one of the territory's tiny islands could make a killing with a novel theme park based on its unsavoury reputation as a suicide spot, a media report said Tuesday. The morbid suggestion to create a ghost-town attraction where guests were dared to spend the night in "haunted flats" came at a meeting of local leaders on little Cheung Chau island. Councillor Lam Kit-sing said the island should capitalise on the grisly reputation of one of its holiday homes, where 20 people have taken their lives in the past eight years. Another five people attempted suicide there. Lam believes the macabre park could be an added attraction for the millions of people expected in the city when Hong Kong Disneyland opens in September."A dirty spot yesterday will be an attraction tomorrow," he was quoted as saying in the South China Morning Post. "This is innovative and has a selling point." The proposal received little support from fellow councillors, the paper said. ------------- Daily Times - All Rights Reserved From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 14:05:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76074 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 21:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:05:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:05:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:05:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_New_=A320m_park_attraction_unveiled?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=c5KN6WDkyhbLHGif1VSouI0g1tTIa6G2sh04BReeVgebUJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2005 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/4141500.stm Fazely, Staffordshire England -- The new park, Stormalong Bay, will=20 feature water slides, wave pools, and log cabins, and will be built=20 over 10 acres next to Drayton Manor Theme Park. Park owners also hope to develop an =A38m 86-bedroomed hotel on the=20 land. Last year the government approved plans for a luxury hotel in the 286=20 acre estate but as the plan has been extended it needs further=20 permission. Managing director Colin Bryan said it was the biggest single=20 investment in the park's history and hopes it will draw 200,000 more=20 visitors a year. "I believe an on-site hotel and log cabins will=20 bolster the banqueting side of our business," he said. "I hope the water park will be something for the future which people=20 will come to and it will bring us out of this mini-recession for=20 retail." It is hoped the hotel will be built by 2008 and the water park=20 finished within 5 years of that, creating around 180 jobs. ------------ =A9 BBC MMV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 14:11:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22623 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 21:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:11:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:11:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:11:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:11:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2790 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: County panel OKs SeaWorld water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bzVl4ir_TrsOvfAyzkXVoran4CMrBTidwNgYCTeCQE4_NTA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2005 Sun-Sentinel http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl- bizseaworld11081105aug11,0,7370086.story?coll=3Dsfla-news-florida By Christopher Boyd Orlando, Florida -- SeaWorld's plan to build a new water theme park=20 effectively won approval from Orange County government Wed, all but=20 clearing the way for ground breaking this fall. The county Design Review Committee recommended several small changes=20 to SW's plan for the still unnamed park. The committee plans to take=20 final action later this month, with final approval nearly certain. The committee unanimously approved the plan after rejecting a call=20 from the leader of a community group for a detailed study of the=20 park's effect on nearby streets. The 58-acre tract, which is adjacent=20 to SW, is on the east side of International Dr., south of Sea Harbor=20 Dr. "We will have no less than 10,000 more vehicles on the roads=20 every day," said Jerry Pastore, who lives in Williamsburg, a=20 subdivision near the proposed attraction. "All those cars would put=20 people, especially the senior residents, who live here at risk of=20 life and limb." The design committee's review was limited in scope. The planned park=20 was approved in the late 1980s. The committee needed to find whether=20 the current plan conforms to the project approved 17 years ago. Committee Chairman David Heath said his board had no authority to put=20 the project on hold to conduct a traffic study. "The fact is that=20 this was approved in 1988," Heath said. "This is a development plan=20 that doesn't require a public hearing." Last month, SW met with the Williamsburg community. On Wed, SW told=20 planners it wouldn't make fireworks - which Williamsburg residents=20 opposed - a feature of the new park. SW expects to open the park in 2007. It will add about 1,000=20 employees to the current work force of 5,000. "The process is moving=20 forward as expected," SW spokeswoman Becca Bides said. "We are=20 pleased with the decision and look forward to ground breaking." The new park will give visitors a chance to come in close contact=20 with marine life. One of its signature elements will be a series of=20 clear acrylic flume slides that will propel customers through a=20 lagoon that contains South American dolphins. A 15-day appeal period will follow formal approval of the project.=20 Pastore said he will appeal, though he said he doesn't expect to=20 succeed. He said there should be a limit on the amount of time that=20 can elapse between approval of a development plan and ground=20 breaking. "Residents of Orange County need a wake-up call," Pastore=20 said. "They need to tell elected officials that there should be a 3- year cap on approvals. A plan approved in 1988 shouldn't still be=20 valid." ----------------- Copyright =A9 2005, Orlando Sentinel From filipm2@rpi.edu Fri Aug 12 14:22:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69868 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc07.proxy.aol.com ([152.163.102.20]) by rly-ip08.mx.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7CLMK7S002082 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:22:20 -0400 Received: from [172.151.230.114] (AC97E672.ipt.aol.com [172.151.230.114]) by smtp-rtc07.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7CLMFtH009592 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:22:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050812151023.28423.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EDF2F23-1B7B-4079-9CF5-24E028401C84@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:24:48 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC PCs & Macs (was Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=5d-ZY-IOdEI8RILAThLXBRWJ8dQ5rkOIE4DD2zpgvY5pQPuksBs1 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Okay, I know this is off-topic, but this is a question >> I've wanted to ask Mac users for a while, but most >> "mac-friendly" sites would treat the question as a >> heresy and flame me like Joan of Arc. But our Mac >> users here are the more level headed sort so I'll ask. >> >> But yeah, why not have a cheapie PC on hand for >> *bleeps* and giggles? >> lata, jeremy >> I'm pretty similar to Cameron... I don't really play games on my computer. Normally I'm either desiging/programming a website, writing/editing videos, or checking e-mail and browsing the web. I've been wanting to buy No Limits for Mac, but I don't really have the time for it. Or at least I'd rather spend it doing other things. For Windows only programs that I use, mainly Solidworks, I have a not so cheap IBM Thinkpad laptop that I use. But I'm not really into games in general, even though I played the original RCT like crazy. And the games I do play, I play on my outdated consoles... MarioKart on N64 and Super C and Super Mario Bros. 3 on Nintendo. Most of the newer games coming out don't really interest me... I normally play games to relax, but all the new ones you have to think too much, whether about strategy or how to get to the next level... sort of defeats the purpose of relaxing for me. But I have to admit, the specs on PS3 look absolutely insane. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 14:23:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83461 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:23:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 21:23:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:23:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Disney volunteers help in the community X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lxRG5VyKJ82Rwz-mqI-d107mDYv1dAupIyf0AASUqvlCR1c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 12, 2005 Osceola News Gazette http://www.osceolanewsgazette.com/index.php? option=news&task=viewarticle&sid=11222 By Conswella C. Bennett Osceola County, FL -- Walt Disney World cast members accustomed to spreading their magic around the theme park have also been spreading a little magic around Osceola County. Local nonprofit agencies will receive $30,000 in financial contributions from DisneyHand, a worldwide outreach for The Walt Disney Company that provides funds through its EARS to You program. The program recognizes cast members for volunteerism by providing financial contributions to the agencies the volunteers choose. In Osceola County, 22 nonprofit agencies will receive a portion of the $156,000 funds that will be distributed to more than 100 Central Florida nonprofit organizations. Members of WDW have volunteered more than 5,800 hours at Give Kids the World Inc. Caroline Schumacher, director of volunteer services at GKW, said WDW provides a vast resource of volunteers. Since the very beginning of GKW, Schumacher said, there has been a strong partnership with WDW. Volunteers perform a number of duties from serving breakfast and dinner to helping with landscaping and decorating the village run by the nonprofit during holidays. "They are certainly a great benefit to us," Schumacher said of the WDW volunteers. "Our WDW Resort VoluntEARS dedicate thousands of hours every year to improving the lives of their neighbors in Central Florida," said Diane Ledder, director of community relations for WDW. "While the satisfaction they receive from helping others in their community is often reward enough, we're pleased to be able to honor our Cast Members by contributing financial resources to the causes that are important to them." Karen Butler Miller, director of the Osceola County Children's Home & Youth Shelter, said WDW volunteers help the organization to thrive. A number of individuals from WDW lend a helping hand to the staff of the home; they work with the children, take them on field trips and often give them behind-the-scenes tours of popular attractions at WDW. In the past the children's home has received $1,000 plus funds to purchase a commercial-size refrigerator through the EARS to You program. According to a Disney press release, Disney VoluntEARS are encouraged to apply for an EARS to You grant of up to $1,000, for an eligible non-profit organization of their choice. The amount of the contribution is based on the number of hours the Cast Member volunteers in a calendar year: 10-24 volunteer hours per year, $100; 25-49 volunteer hours per year, $250; 50-74 volunteer hours per year, $500; and 75 or more volunteer hours per year, $1,000. WDW VoluntEARS also provided 12 schools in Orange and Osceola counties with 4,446 back-to-school backpacks. The backpacks, which contained new crayons, pencils, folders, paper and other school necessities, were worth in total nearly $66,700. Working with West Orange STARS and the Early Learning Coalition of Osceola, Disney employees collected the supplies during a month-long drive across the WDW Resort to ensure the backpacks would go to children in most need of them. In addition to the backpacks, VoluntEARS also contributed 10,239 extra school items to A Gift for Teaching. To fill the backpacks, 4,400 scissors, 105,00 crayons, 13,000 folders, 4,400 glue sticks, 8,800 erasers, 160,00 pencils and 1 million sheets of paper were used. The back-to-school backpack drive is one of several initiatives in which Disney VoluntEARS are involved. In 2004 alone, WDW Resort donated $24.7 million in cash and in-kind support to the community. WDW Cast Members also volunteered more than 185,000 hours to benefit local non-profit organizations. From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 12 15:18:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52733 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 22:18:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:19:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=4LXHg0JO4rpl9YXdP5iwSeq308n8Q7iNTqKuVMtQ7MafYYjqiZe7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >why dont you have a PC as well? < I do, to run my favorite PC pinball games that no longer can run on modern PCs. It's an ancient Compaq laptop and that's all I use it for, but it's too slow to handle RCT. :-( Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 12 15:46:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10254 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 22:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 22:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 22:46:42 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3iIS-0001ID-9V for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: <42FD26CE.8080506@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:46:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f305081213175c986989@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305081213175c986989@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf478dead642193b024b307715f65104b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Back "on board" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Y8gfdZWpBoSsrwi4NwBAQ_WLVlyjZxAgttSlTaQXIvQu2jM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > Congrats and welcome back, Jon! :) > Certainly have to add my congratulations and greetings to that also! :) So, when are you going to introduce her to all of us? Er, thinking about that, maybe on the other hand you wouldn't want to do that. Might frighten her, and wouldn't want to cause trouble so soon in the marriage. :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 12 15:54:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62515 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 22:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 22:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 22:54:55 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2005 15:54:55 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7CMseQQ018237 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:54:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.218.186]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:54:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5EDF2F23-1B7B-4079-9CF5-24E028401C84@rpi.edu> References: <20050812151023.28423.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> <5EDF2F23-1B7B-4079-9CF5-24E028401C84@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:54:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 22:54:51.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8BF2640:01C59F90] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC PCs & Macs (was Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=uW5EotMeOga-RhqUqx9F__JeWYS-3Fc6jl6LOI9gGf9-sfDj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > I've been wanting to buy No Limits for Mac, but I don't really have > the time for it. I did buy it .. although I don't play it too much. I have built a few coasters with it, but it's just so time consuming and requires an insane amount of time. But I do think it's an excellent piece of software, which is why I paid for it. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 12 15:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4684 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 22:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 22:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 22:56:34 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2005 18:56:33 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,104,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="66348690:sNHT27093816" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7CMuTT6016228 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:56:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.218.186]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:56:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> References: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:56:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 22:56:28.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[12FBE6E0:01C59F91] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=c6T0-PS3Cc3wnyia7qTdsbE-9ThudVX_z3aEI_uxKj_Gjlen X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> why dont you have a PC as well? < > > I do, to run my favorite PC pinball games that no longer can run on > modern PCs. I don't need a PC for that either: http://www.buzzneon.com/pinball/gameroom.jpg :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 12 16:05:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30238 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 23:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 23:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 23:05:14 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3iaP-0005cg-Ms for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: <42FD2B29.2000809@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:05:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebfd10aa140fd91c576de4d7ad697de9564350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=SJgVqfrm5fOXN4SaQgZN5s7pJ_QN_fAYsK1xZQ_fUf5oBv4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > >> why dont you have a PC as well? < > > > > I do, to run my favorite PC pinball games that no longer can run on > > modern PCs. > > I don't need a PC for that either: > http://www.buzzneon.com/pinball/gameroom.jpg > > :-) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rub it in. I suppose next you're going to send us pictures reminding us that you used to build them. :P JK with you Cam. But I am still waiting for you to send one to me for Christmas! :) As for the conversation, sorry I'm just not a mac fan. And the ancient IMac's I have to maintain for our school that are little more than deadweights with as often as they break down, not sure I ever really will be. But then that's just me and my stubborn, set in my ways self. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 16:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97128 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 23:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2005 23:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 23:19:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 23:17:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 23:17:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2005 23:17:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:17:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: OFF-TOPIC PCs & Macs (was Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KUifCDBvwKIb1IJR6a4W2JZaZ_9OLVtHXJpMgH-VnzqLBHpGtA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > 5) For the money I'd spend on even a cheap PC, I could take a road > trip to a cool new-to-me park! > > Cameron. A point my new wife is just starting to understand about me... Chris B From jophish17@comcast.net Fri Aug 12 20:14:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46526 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 03:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 03:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 03:14:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2005 03:13:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2005 03:13:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:13:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: QUESTION: Water Skooters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=xTI_3rg9UbwDCVzuhcw_XxO0o56jkS8VcqwwAOANc3vHpG6V X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 I was reading a book I bought about Crystal Beach, and I read that they had an attraction called "Water Skooters". It had a photo and it looked like your standard skooters ride except it had a boat-like vehicle floating in a pool. Are there any left in existence, and if so, where can one be found? A photo would be wonderful too, since the book's photo was B&W not to ention old and small. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Aug 12 22:21:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83144 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 05:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 05:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 05:21:44 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7D5LVeQ006666 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02ed01c59fc6$dfc5f280$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> <42FD2B29.2000809@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=r96qFRYbPrh2fj23J6EKuzUfGOEcMG68u2LRSpYmlkqFsi7PNDzZaz-1pw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > As for the conversation, sorry I'm just not a mac fan. And the ancient > IMac's I have to maintain for our school that are little more than > deadweights with as often as they break down, not sure I ever really > will be. But then that's just me and my stubborn, set in my ways self. > :) I have to agree... I jumped off the Apple bandwagon when they abbandoned the //e for that little black and white lunchbox known as the first Macintosh. Though on occassion, I do miss the days of playing Karateka, Conan and the first Ultima trilogy on my //e. Since then I've gone PC all the way. As for games, I hate to admit this but I've actually still got a sealed RCT3 box I got for Christmas sitting next to me on top of my PC for the past eight months. I just don't have time to play PC games very often, and when I do, I usually don't have the time to sit down and play something for hours which is the kind of Time Suck that is required to play an RCT game. I still like to play games from time to time however, which is why I got an Xbox, which is hands down the best game system out there, so I'm looking forward to seeing what the new Xbox 360 can do... though I may wait 6-9 months to see if the price drops, depending on what the starting price is when it comes out this holiday season. If anyone is interested... my Xbox Live gamertag is "Screamscape" of course. ;-) Feel free to send me a friend request. Though more often than not I play without a live mic, mostly because my two kids are either screaming in the background, or they're sleeping and I don't want to wake anyone up. Otherwise, you can usually find me blasting away in Halo 2 matches. It's a nice short relaxing distraction that doesn't suck up hours of my life. From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Aug 13 11:40:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23680 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2005 18:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2005 18:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2005 18:40:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:42:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200508131142.AA58327294@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5bIqDod2AayLSN2dfWOwQDl8S_-E5_3TX2DapqTmd3O9wAodm1nY X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I don't need a PC for that either: < Yeah, I second George's comment. I waffle between envy and awe. My next project in our home is to finally create a studio/gameroom in our basement, and that's where my two classic pinballs are going. Right now they're covered up awaiting a reawakening. Incidentally, I just read that Hasbro has teamed with Bob's Space Racers to create a home version of Whac-A-Mole that plugs into your TV set. > http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=1&itemid=7574 < Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 14 06:45:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90798 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2005 13:45:27 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.92.2cde6cfb (15876) for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442ff4ad11b5; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:44:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:44:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> Message-ID: <42FF4AB8.20302@aol.com> References: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Clementon Park: August 13, 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=kVCLqUaZarplZ8PoTDPO05RfYGXy5b2PdOqlu9Q6v60rdUd4-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Clementon Park August 13, 2004 Hot and hazy, high in mid 90's An intigrated photo version of this report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/a5rkk Could this be? Could I actually be writing a trip report so soon after the actual trip? It must be a trick, or I am dreaming. But it is true. Yesterday I had the pleasure of visiting little old Clementon Park, in Clementon, New Joisy ;) http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102089-M.jpg I decided to make it an evening trip, it is so freaking hot, with highs reaching into the mid 90's and very high humidity, the whether has been just brutal. I left at about two in the afternoon because I was making a few stops along the way. First stop was Citizen's Bank Park in South Philly. The Phils are on the west coast, but they were having a blood drive down at the ballpark. Give blood and you get a free Bobby Abreu figure, and well, free is my favorite flavor. Besides, I had not given blood in sometime, and it is always good to help someone else out. SO a lovely nurse sucks some blood out of me, after a bit of struggle ("I've been doing this for years, and you have some of the toughest skin I have ever seen"), and I am off to Clementon. But first, I have to stop at my cousin's house, who live right across the lake from the park. So I do, getting some dinner and spending a few hours there relating family news and such, and finally get into the park at about seven, with dusk fast approaching. I get my ticket, and head straight back for Tsunami (now J2, but for me it will always be Tsunami). http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32100773-M.jpg The park was very crowded, with lots of group picnics and family get togethers. The waterpark was wall to wall people (did I mention it was oppressively hot), but Tsunami only had about a 15 minute wait, with just one train running. I got to the top and got a front seat ride. The loading operations were just as slow as last year, though now they were not double checking everything, they just had a smaller crew. The ride op was making the most of it though, doing his best pilot's imitation, "This is your pilot speaking, today we will be flying at an altitude of 110 feet before descending 62 degrees and reaching a cruising speed of approximately 60 miles per hour. Flight duration will be 37 second, so please keep you belts buckled and remain seated. Enjoy your flight." I got a kick out of it, it was a pretty good spiel. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102078-M.jpg The ride? Well, lets just say, Tsunami's still got it, it is one hell of a wild ride. Still present is the fantastic bucking action at the top of the second hill, the incredibly tight turnaround, the awesome double helix, and the amazing airtime. I rode several more times, closer to the back, which is just even more amazing. In the back the forces in the helix are just so incredible they take your breath away, and you return to the station wondering what had just happened to you. I rode into the night, when the park remained busy and it was still hot. When I had enough of Tsunami, I checked out some of the other flats, including the Falling Star, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102081-M.jpg Yoyo, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102075-M.jpg Thunderbolt, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102086-M.jpg and the Clementon Belle before leaving. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/32102088-M.jpg Complete photo gallery can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/730418 -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From filipm2@rpi.edu Sun Aug 14 15:03:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9190 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2005 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2005 22:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.12) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2005 22:03:47 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc02.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc02.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.81]) by rly-ip08.mx.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7EM33OC011245 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:03:04 -0400 Received: from [172.155.85.139] (AC9B558B.ipt.aol.com [172.155.85.139]) by smtp-rtc02.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7EM2r2j014575 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:02:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:05:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: TR: SFGAd - 8/14/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=RyCWZNFjbkeLb-pYny_-wgScJg_TWbcCH2NyCDwxHERkv4Mi1SLC X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Went to SFGAd today... - There are in fact area markers in the parking lot, and maybe I just didn't see them last time. There are only two flat signs per pole, so they don't get full 360 degree viewing coverage. They should add one or two more signs per pole to make it so that everyone in the area can see it. - Viper is completely gone, and the area is all leveled out. Viper's station looks like it hasn't been touched, including the exit stairs, though the track inside looked liek it was removed. There are signs on the fence blocking off the area saying 'pardon our appearance, we're making room for a new attraction coming in 2006' or something like that. - Kingda Ka is open again. I didn't see it rollback in the hour I waited online, and it looked like it was up for the time I was there. I went on it for the first time... its an ok ride. Acceleration isn't as linear/smooth as I thought it would be, was more like a sine curve... and the ride in general was very windy and lots of vibrations. I'd rate it the 4th best ride in the park, behind Nitro, Medusa, and Batman, respectively. Mike From jophish17@comcast.net Sun Aug 14 22:49:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49668 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 05:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 05:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 05:49:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 05:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 05:49:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:49:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: TR: SFOG - Goodbye Gasp! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=QHElYZBI_gp2VH9kKAUfPBTglboSSToSdNpqo2CAqlHh6Sjn X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 I just wanted to share my last memories with the Great Gasp with y'all. I probably wont post many of my TRs here, so enjoy: I arrived at the park around noon, and the regular lot was 1/4 full at most. I headed in and rode Scorcher first, which was somehow (even as busy as it was today) a 1 train wait. It was a very good ride and I ended up riding two more times within 25 minutes. I then went and checked out the real reason I came to the park: to say goodbye to the Great Gasp. The lines weren't too bad though, about two-three switchbacks in the mid-afternoon, which isn't much more than it was during daily operation. Now, for some last photos. The lines weren't too bad: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_1.jpg One last smog-filled view of downtown Atlanta: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_2.jpg The mini-boats are already gone, and soon too will the Gasp: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_5.jpg The red, white and blue fits the USA theme well, hopefully the new ride will as well: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_6.jpg Yours truly: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_7.jpg Well, I did do other parts of the park today. I went and rode Deja Vu in seat 2B, which is actually a good seat to compromise on when the attendants won't let you wait. The wait was only 45 mins which is not bad at all! I can still see without too many obstructions, and that was cool. That was my first ride of the year, and man that thing rocks. I just wish I could ride it more, but between manfuncions and super-long lines, that was only my 4th ride lifetime, one so far every year. http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_8.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_9.jpg I then went over and rode the Wheelie, which rocked as usual and it seemed to stay vertical longer than it has been but I'm not sure since I'm borderline Alzheimers. http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_4.jpg From there I skipped the other three coasters, Ninja because the line was too long, and GASM and Superman because I had ridden them over and over again just two nights before. I crossed through the middle of the park and caught the Dive show for the first time this year. I miss when they used to have the high dive. I was getting hot and it was only 3PM, so I went and rode.. you guessed it, the Great Gasp! It looks good through the trees, a sight which I will miss: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_10.jpg Don't look down! http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_12.jpg From there it was off to ride the train around the park, starting and ending at the Rabun Gap station. I miss the steam, but its still an ok ride. Once I got off I went and rode Batman twice, with both waits being less than 5 minutes. I also rode Crime Wave which seemed to have a rediculously long cycle for some reason. I was getting very dizzy, which is quite rare for me. I decided to head to the car for some meds. Before leaving though, I did eat at Tondee's, which has fairly good cheesesteaks. Oh yea, Mind Bender was down, apparently yesterday's rains flooded the lower portion of the track. The train wasn't even on the tracks. http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_3.jpg I got back in the park and headed for Deja Vu. Once I arrived, I saw a maintenence man climing tower #2. "Oh crap, I'll come back." I went and rode the Gasp a time or two again, and then trotted back to see if the Vu had opened, and it did open. However, after about 5 mins, it broke down again, but I stuck in line since it was 6PM, while half the line left. Another 45 minute wait turned into 25, and that's including the down time. Still a great, intense ride. I rode 3B that time, which again is ok and certainly better than an "A" row. 5th ride lifetime, 2nd this year. A new personal record for rides in a year! Well, by 7PM I was back at the Great Gasp, and I kept riding and riding. In the end, I got 12 rides in the day, and 12 buttons to pass on to children and grand-children. A few more photos: As the sun sets on the Gasp: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_11.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_13.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_14.jpg Right at 8PM they closed the queue, and here are some of the last public riders for the Great Gasp: http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_15.jpg The ride ops were very friendly and polite today, and made sure that you enjoyed yourself, but everyone was mum on what was going in for next year (well, duh!). There were a lot of employees that came and rode it at the end of the day, including a security guard who was filming a lot, a bunch of regular employees and other shirt & tie's, and Mr. Taylor, but no sign of Mrs. Aschraft, I thought with her longtime ties to the park that she would be there. I was one of the last 30 riders to ride the Great Gasp, and they took my name and info and hinted that we will get something special. At first I wasn't sure, then I thought it may be first ride privilages on the new ride (get it.. last on the old, first on the new) but when she told some folks that they only need head of household, I figured that ruled it out and now I don't know (I cant wait to see though ) 15 million riders later, the Gasp is now done. I left the park tonight not sad because of the removal of the ride that I enjoy, rather, with a smile on my face and some terrific memories. If you live near one of the few parks left with an Intamin parachute tower left, be sure to ride it once in a while, because it's removal can come all too quick. As I left the park, the skies got eerily colorful, and provided some good backdrops as dusk faded to black, so here are the last photos of the Great Gasp. http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_16.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_17.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_18.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_19.jpg http://sfog.parktrips.com/august_photos/aug142005_20.jpg August 14, 2005: The end of an era at Six Flags Over Georgia From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Mon Aug 15 06:55:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69891 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 13:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 13:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 13:55:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 13:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 13:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 13:54:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:54:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.222 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Rumor: La Ronde - Construction expected soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=lHmbRcbJvWW2dJH31T5vnsgb24r80i0t5r6Rtk1aRIpo0pgviaA X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred This week-end, I saw new construction marks painted on the ground in the back side of the park. I believe that they show the location of electric lines ("25KV" is written at some places), water systems, etc... For those who are familiar with the site, these marks start at the Minirail station (Village area) and they continue up to the diving pool, throughout the miniature golf and in front of this attraction. We can also see other marks in the parking area, near the marina. According to a long standing rumor, Six Flags plans to build a new roller coaster in this area. When Six Flags purchased the park in 2001, they announced a 90-million$ investment plan for five years. From 2002 to 2005, 56M$ have been spent. We can expect that 34M$ are in store for 2006, enough to build a major roller coaster. Fred From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 09:39:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82400 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 16:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 16:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 16:39:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:38:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:38:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:38:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42FF4AB8.20302@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 67 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR: Clementon Park: August 13, 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Cng3F0BWFByi04JGv9_BUnlpcdSa2je7u25-3DKvkKqOWAI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nathan, Sounds like a very nice day. How were the bugs? ;) -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 09:41:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73539 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 16:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 16:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 16:41:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:41:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:41:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 64 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR: SFOG - Goodbye Gasp! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0WFxKh9gdMaVDSvVZ8CEbDWbeppVutWYQ_8qF8VwQBCew-s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Joseph, Thanks for all of the great photos :( -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 09:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49451 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:59:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park's final county vote on hold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_kk19b9UKM4iRglUohd4n5DohP4fcRrYtBNbCePG7hmXM80 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 14, 2005 The Sun News http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/1238 0619.htm By Travis Tritten Horry County, SC -- The Hard Rock theme park project at Fantasy Harbour will not come before Horry County for a final approval until at least September, according to developers. HRP Management Co. said it needs a month or more to meet with County Council members and sew up its financing of the $250-300 million rock 'n' roll amusement park. The Orlando, Fla.-based company came back to the county in July after months of silence and said it would soon ask for a 3rd and final County Council vote on the project. The council must hold a public hearing and take 3 votes on all rezonings for major projects. If approved, it could be the world's 1st park created around the popular Hard Rock brand name and would replace a deserted pottery outlet near US-501 and the Intracoastal Waterway. "We are still working on things internally like the finances and all those type of things," said Jon Binkowski, chief creative officer for HRP. "We didn't want to proceed unless internally we have our clock ticking properly." Plans for the year-round park call for amusements, rides, a 15,000- capacity outdoor concert venue and landscaped walkways and trails. County Council voted a 2nd time to approve the project about 19 months ago, and HRP has been working behind the scenes since on financing for the park. The company has refused to release any detailed information on what the park will contain or who is investing. "They gave us a very vague conceptual plan and that is all we have ever had," County Planning Director Janet Carter said. In January, the project was nearly derailed when HRP suggested the county contribute $25-30 million in public bonding. Binkowski said developing a theme park is a "complicated process" and the company's goal is to appear for the 3rd vote in Sept. "We are not scheduled to meet with the County Council ... for [the regular meeting] Aug. 16. That was an invitation extended to us from [Council Chairwoman] Liz Gilland that we had taken under advisement," he said. "Basically, we intend to honor that and we just need internally a little more time to do that." --------- Copyright 2004 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 10:15:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51221 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 17:15:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 17:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 17:14:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:14:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Playland to use buddy system on 'dark rides' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-69Quw_gfPO18OOtm9fKXx6fW7zol-5jUF20ydgpm0cigJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 13, 2005 The Journal News http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20050813/NEWS02/508130357/1017 By CANDICE FERRETTE Rye, NY -- A new program will begin today at Playland Amusement Park aimed at encouraging parents to ride along with their young children on the amusement park's 5 "dark rides," Westchester County Executive Andrew Spano announced yesterday. Under the buddy system, ride operators will be instructed to approach adults with children who look hesitant about going on rides that involve darkness. The operators are expected to suggest that the adult ride along. If the parent or guardian does not have enough points on a fun card or wristband to enter, the operator will allow him or her to ride with the child without charge. This is possible with the park's new debit card system, the county executive's office said. The program was created after the accidental death of a 7-y.o. Connecticut boy on Aug. 3. Jon-Kely Cassara was found dead beneath an underwater conveyor belt of Ye Old Mill ride several minutes after his mother notified the ride operator that he had not stepped off when the 1,200' ride ended. The boy had been seated alone in the rear of a 6-passenger boat and may not have been seated properly when he fell into the water. His mother, Elayne Cassara, has since said her son was afraid of the dark, but had begged her to let him go on the ride just as the family was exiting the park. She did not board the ride with him because she was tending to her younger daughter, who wanted to go home. Ye Old Mill will remain closed until a state safety investigation report on the ride is finished. ------------- 2005 The Journal News, a Gannett Co. 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News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/prweb/20050815/bs_prweb/prweb272517_1 Sandusky, OH -- To celebrate its 100th anniversary, the Hotel=20 Breakers will take Cedar Point guests on a park-wide hunt for clues,=20 guiding them through the "green room" at the Palace Theatre and other=20 behind-the-scenes locations. Guests will grapple with century-old=20 vintage puzzles such as Barnum's classic "Trick Mules" and will come=20 face-to-face with the long lost mummy of Rootentooten and P. T.=20 Barnum's original 1842 'Fiji Mermaid.' The weekend mystery will take=20 place Sep. 9-10 and Sep. 16-17 and is based on a famous =97 but=20 fictional =97 murder during the hotel's inaugural season in 1905. Wanting to highlight the rich history of carnivals and amusement=20 parks, they've enlisted the services of "Shadow Stalkers," a mystery=20 design company. The end result of this collaboration is "A Century of=20 Secrets." Guests will reopen a cold case from that 1st season and=20 will be faced with an extraordinary list of suspects =97 Nellie Bly,=20 Arthur Conan Doyle, Harry Houdini, Alexis Barnum, H. G. Wells, and=20 Alonzo Pinkerton. Exploring otherwise off-limits sites such as the "green room" or=20 makeup room behind stage at the Palace Theatre is a popular element=20 of these weekend mysteries, giving the guests a chance to "peek=20 behind the curtain" into the working areas of the park. The unsolved 1905 murder was the invention of "Shadow Stalkers." The=20 6 famous guests had all decided to visit the new hotel but were there=20 for very different reasons. During their stay, a collection of=20 Egyptian artifacts (including the 4,000 y.o. mummy of Rootentooten)=20 was locked for safe keeping in an empty hotel room. When it was=20 opened in the morning, the guard who'd been on duty inside the room=20 was found murdered and the room's contents were in disarray. Smudges=20 of a rare Egyptian mold were found on the body. Realizing this could be a blot on their careers, the 6 guests banded=20 together and investigated the case. First they proved to the local=20 police that none of them could possibly be guilty. Then they sent=20 their final report to a Swiss bank to be kept sealed for 100 years.=20 Guests at the hotel will have to find the solution before that report=20 is opened. This celebration of history and intrigue was designed by "Shadow=20 Stalkers," now in its 10th year of producing custom mystery events=20 and team building programs. The contact person there is Mr. Denham.=20 He can be reached at 419-663-4103. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 15 13:07:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56188 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 20:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 20:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 20:07:11 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2005 13:07:10 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7FK6BQs017038 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:04:35 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:04:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42FD2B29.2000809@earthlink.net> References: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> <42FD2B29.2000809@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:04:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 20:04:35.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EDB1BB0:01C5A1D4] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Kex71pCts8ZVfu9SyGMaIObuD_9PfsDWwv3CuvPoA0Dj5Giw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, >> I don't need a PC for that either: > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rub it in. I know .. sorry .. I knew it was shameless as soon as I hit send .. but, really, how often does pinball just naturally come up in the conversation?!! (I mean, without me pretending not to steer it that way!) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 15 13:07:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18988 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 20:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 20:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 20:07:51 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2005 13:07:51 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7FK7L0f023732 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:07:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <02ed01c59fc6$dfc5f280$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <200508121519.AA345702586@karenandjay.com> <3A928F40-E031-425A-B958-5AD9E5791FB6@buzzneon.com> <42FD2B29.2000809@earthlink.net> <02ed01c59fc6$dfc5f280$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <52413A89-7B17-4D11-8536-8CD456B234ED@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:07:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 20:07:45.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[00542E30:01C5A1D5] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xAaTzEV_8zEfFDS3l73ixO0c9uMlAJ39YEqZaXUD4HQ821nT X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Lance, > Though on occassion, I do miss the days of playing Karateka, Conan > and the > first Ultima trilogy on my //e. You know that there are a slew of Apple // emulators for PC (and Mac), right? I still enjoy several games that I used to play when I was supposed to be doing homework (Taipan!!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 15 14:03:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23505 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2005 21:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2005 21:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2005 21:03:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 21:03:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2005 21:03:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:03:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52413A89-7B17-4D11-8536-8CD456B234ED@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.5.179 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: PCs and Macs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=73Xy_XJTgHQbbLeirECgcb3Zse0uUyL3FbY58QSdHBPvo2XvqrY6Ug X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > You know that there are a slew of Apple // emulators for PC (and > Mac), right? I still love the old Infocom text adventures, myself. I am regularly amused that I can play them on my Treo 600 without even remotely challenging the OS -- and yet they're still great games (Hitchhiker's Guide, Zork, etc.)... I have resisted getting an emulator on my new iBook because I know I'd end up playing Cannonball Blitz, Defender, etc., rather than, y'know, working. Um. Oh, on topic: looking forward to RCT3, even if it sorta sucks. Pretty pictures. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 17:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93814 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 00:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 00:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 00:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 43798 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2005 00:51:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20050816005114.43796.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:51:14 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: TR: Oktoberfest (Munich, Germany)- September, 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=wFbs65fTUvY9qAZiNJAn-AEv_1vcUlyjohL1eD9X4N_QSUg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Yeah, I know this is about 10 months overdue. But hey, I’ve got to get paid. Plus, its not like I really do TR’s anymore and I had a 15 hour flight to kill so I thought I might finally check this. So, the scene is September 2004. Being in Germany for an extended period of time allowed me to visit Okotberfest for a complete Saturday and from about six – close on Wednesday. I must admit, I was excited to visit “Die Wiesen”. The few U.S. people I knew whose opinions I respected said they loved it. On the flip side, most of my German acquaintances said, “Ack, go to Craange.” The thing that amazed me most as I got off the train at the Munich Hauptbahnhof was the hordes of people. They were seemingly everywhere and crowds only increased as we got closer to the fairgrounds. My host told me the crowd was only medium for a Saturday- I couldn’t imagine it being “full”. The one thing that sucks about being an American in Munich during this time is that I am “spotted” a lot easier. Apparently a lot of meathead frat jocks travel to Oktoberfest from the U.S. (God forbid we export smart people to represent us) and people working the fairgrounds are good at spotting the Yanks. So, instead of talking to workers in my not-too-bad German they usually talked to me in English first. Anyway, we arrived around eleven and I went my own way as my hosts checked out the farming exhibits that split the midway with the rides and beer tents. On my own I wandered and drank for an hour before queuing for an amazing sight- the Olympia Looping (owned by Rudolph Barth, 1989, Schwarzkopf/Stengel/BHS/Gerstlauer). This amazing machine can run 5 trains, count ‘em 5, but they only had 2 running during my first ride. The ride attendants (1 for every row of 2 people) looked absolutely bored. I have been told they shove you through when five were on the tracks, but we were strapped in shortly after the train cleared the lift and on our way once the train was on lift 2 (the mini lift). The curving lift hill was different for me and the first drop was pretty good. The first loop feels weird with its unique pull-out and the ride pulls some nice G’s as it flows around a curve into two more back-to-back vertical loops. The train heads up into the mini lift and down off a nice steep drop. Now its back through two more back-to-back loops, which are great, but the ride finishes with a mediocre helix and twisty ending. While this isn’t the best coaster ever, the atmosphere and amazing engineering that went into the ride’s portability made it very cool indeed. The rest of my days? Well, that’s difficult. I was thinking that I might do a play-by-play but all those pretzels and beer just don’t work well in the memory. So, here is a bit of what I rode during my time. I will try to relate the time of when I rode but, but I can’t make any promises. Just figure that I had a large shit-eating grin on my face during almost every phase of these days. Off to the rides: Star World (Klaus Renaldi, 1992, Stein): I was told the company that manufactured this ride owned the former Schwarzkopf facility after Schwarzkopf went bankrupt but before Gerstlauer took over the facility. What a weird ride. Just standing outside of the coaster is a strange sight. Looking up one sees a 5-story alien creature (kind of like Dominio’s “Noid” character if he was German). Occasionally there is fire and a train full of screaming riders speeds by. I had a one-ride wait and got in the middle of the long train with some guy that apparently only shopped at Diesel. I only rode Star World once so I can’t give a good blow-by-blow, but the ride itself had a herky-jerky feel to it. It felt like there was a lot of slop in the wheels, but the ride was more rattel-prone than rough. The ride felt like a Jet Star with a few flowing drops and a helix that wrapped around a propane flame-thrower. Skater (Top Scan, owned by Siegfried Kaiser, manufactured by Mondial): Ahh, the Top Scan. Anyone who knows me understands my affinity for this wicked beast. Is there anything it can’t do? My first ride had all the Top Scan goodness I have come to expect from the traveling version in the U.S. While that one is run very well, this operator was disgustingly sick. First, my ride time was easily twice as long as anything I have experienced before. In addition, he played a ton of tricks with both systems (the boom and the spinning of the arms) so that the ride “snapped” a lot and the arms flew over themselves instead of merely rolling. However, my best ride was Wednesday night. After two liters I headed over to this bad boy and got another crazy ride. Lights flashed, music bumped and I swear that it was unlike anything I have experienced. High Energy (Star Shape, owned by Jasmin Kaiser, manufactured by Zierer): Take the seating arrangement of a Top Scan, cross it with the boom motion of an Evolution and you have their unholy stepchild- the Star Shape. The ride deck feels similar to the KMG Afterburner as it features a folding floor. However, what impresses is the height. Anchored only by three main supports (two from the front, one from the back) this 29.5-meter tall monster is quite vertically impressive and the massive counterweight is down right scary. However the ride (which has spends half the cycle turning one direction, pauses at the top, and then reverses) leaves a bit to be desired. I don’t know what it is, but this piece didn’t quite deliver as I hoped it would. The drop from the top was nice, but the seating arrangement isn’t as comfortable when is being tossed about as opposed to the constant lateral g-force exerted on the Top Scan. It ranks as fun, but not quite as good as I had hoped. I rode this on Saturday afternoon. BTW, if anyone was able to purchase a copy of the ride’s soundtrack last season let me know, I am looking for a copy. Frisbee (Frisbee, owned by Goetzke, manufactured by Huss Maschinenfabrik): What a difference a location makes! I have enjoyed the Frisbee at Six Flags New England and Six Flags Great Adventure. However, I found it to be a fun, not intense, piece. That all changed when I enjoyed this piece of fairground equipment. As with every other ride the cycle was long and we seemed to just go faster and faster. There were four or five different times throughout the cycle that the operator kicked up the rotation and had us swinging out to 90 degrees- about the max the ride can do. Sweet strobe lights and great thumping electronica made this an amazing ride. This was one of the surprises of the trip and really bumped the Frisbee up in my book. Insider (Shake, owned by Aigner, manufactured by Mondial): Shake, shake, shake. I enjoyed this piece of S&M delight last at the 2003 Texas State Fair. I was alone for my many rides at Oktoberfest, but that didn’t seem to matter much. After the ride set in motion it seemed to snap around the table’s corners, which resulted in me only having to do a little work to get it flipping. There were several times that I stopped forcing it to roll over so the car would only go upside down regularly instead of disorienting. The most sickening spins were the weird revolutions where the frame holding the car snap-spun around and the car kept vertically flipping. I honestly had trouble walking after this one and it was all from the ride. It simply shook the hell out of me. Break Dance (Break Dance, owned by Aigner, manufactured by Huss): Quite possibly one of the most famous European flat rides of the last twenty years, the Break Dance is kind of like the Shake’s older brother. It is a bit simpler, a bit more rugged, but man does it pack a bunch. For the uninitiated this would be a good time to learn about the German fair loading system. First, you buy a token from one of the Kasse which are the few booths in front of each ride. After picking up your token you head to the diamond-plated deck around the ride- anywhere around the ride. There is no fencing of any sort. In short, if you are hit its you’re fault. Few things have been more interesting for me than standing about 18 inches from where the Break Dance cars swung out and just staring in awe. So, after the individual car sections stop rotating (the main table slows but usually never stops) you rush up to find a car. Again, I was there on nights that were busy but not jam-packed, I can’t imagine what Oktoberfest full is like. If you’re the first one there you basically “assist” the current passengers by staring at them to make them move faster or simply raising the restraint yourself. Whatever the outcome you get in, close the restraint (generally no restraints are manually checked, if the computer clears the ride it goes) and the ride begins. Out of every ride at Oktoberfest I would have to say that this Break Dance’s entertainment package was probably the most impressive. The entire back flash was covered in multi-covered spotlights and some great electronic music. The owners took a ride that has been around for decades and made it exciting for anyone to ride. Trust me; this is no has-been flat ride. The Break Dance packed a massive punch and left me begging for more. The final sequence was a blur of color and acrobatics that threw my body all over the deck. I rode it once Saturday night and only wish I could have done more. EuroStar (Inverted Coaster, owned by Oscar Bruch, designed and manufactured by: Bruch/Stengel/Intamin/Giovanola, 1995). Hmm, what to say about this coaster? Well, let’s do the ride first. After boarding one of four trains the coaster falls out of the loading area and rolls over to the lift. At this point it is a little shaky, but the chain grabs and we head up to the sky. The coaster disengages from the lift and does a diving turn, similar to Batman’s first drop, only it feels a bit bigger. However, the ride changes temper as it pulls g’s at the bottom of the drop/entrance to the loop. Here it started violently shaking and really rattled throughout the inversion. Up around a high curve and through an in-line roll placed above the midway. A long upward climb leads to a mid-course that stops the train before it heads through two corkscrews. Another hard brake before a slow dive into an ending helix brings this great idea executed poorly to an end. EuroStar is a great concept and when Bruch came out with it in 1995 it was revolutionary. The problem is that it simply carries too much energy on too tight of a footprint. It was neat to see, but I could never ride it again and be quite happy. Magic (Magic, owned by Hohmann, manufactured by Huss): My only other Magic experience was at the place King Waldorf declares that everybody loves- Marineland. There the ride, pimped out with some fiberglass bears, was fun, but felt more like a Scrambler with vehicles that pitched than anything else. How things change auf den Wiesen. After waiting by myself for a while the car was filled with two girls and their younger brother. From what I gathered this was one of his first “big” rides. Any German fairground is certainly a difficult place to pop your flat ride cherry, but the Magic proved to be a good experience for him. The ride op drove us by doing a lot of speed variations on the main boom and the spinning of each arm. The result was nothing like King Waldorf’s Bear-o-Rama. This was another sick little bastard, complete with a ride cycle that had to last at least five minutes from start to finish. Jumping (Jump, [formerly] owned by Distel, manufactured by Huss): The elusive Jump. I saw it used many times as a lawn ornament during my trips to Six Flags Great Adventure, so it was good to see one finally in action. I had heard horror stories about the time and money Distel put in this thing beyond the normal “introductory issues” that accompany any new ride. He obviously cared about the piece (or at least his investment) as it looked nice. There were some stage-quality spotlights rotating above the signs that invitingly rotated to seduce riders on board. That being said, the ride was fun, but not mind-boggling. I think the ride was originally designed to sport airtime and a little spinning, but for most of its operating life it has been the other way around. We went up, spun, came down and repeated for quite a while. Polyp (Monster, owned by Radlinger, manufactured by Schwarzkopf): How is it possible that this was the scariest ride there? As with most fairground rides there was no lapbar check- you’re responsible for your own well-being. So, I had the lapbar down to an area that I thought was far enough. This is essentially an Eyerly Monster, with the major difference (and improvement) being that all of the arms lower to allow for simultaneous loading. The Polyp, with its tropical theming, really cranked and shortly after the ride began I was treated to some serious airtime as I slammed up into the lapbar. Needless to say, I pulled it down a little for the rest of the ride after nearly shitting myself. Nightly (Inferno, owned by Eduard Rosai, manufactured by Mondial): I have to say that the Inferno was probably the most anticipated ride of the trip. However, it was a bit of a let down. I wouldn’t say it was a bad ride, but everything it did the Top Scan seemed to do better. The spinning, the flipping and the rotations were great, but the seating arrangement was a little cramped. The ride’s best aspect is that the gondola can roll around the X axis anywhere on the ride cycle. This meant that several times the ride operator took us over the top upside down, flipped us 360 degrees as the arm came down and we were again head over heels above the diamond plating, which induced some delicious g’s and some frightening visuals of impending death. Riesenrad (Ferris wheel, owned by the Willenborgs, manufactured by Schwarzkopf): Adorned with blue and white Bavarian colors and looking like cottages strung on a wheel the Willenborg’s 50-meter Schwarzkopf wheel is an impressive site. This year it anchored the back of the main ride midway and provided a beautiful view of the assortment of rides as well as the endless slopes of the beer tents. The gondolas fit ten people comfortably and with the efficiency of about 2 employees per-gondola (and one loud “director” telling everyone where to go) the wheel spit through a lot of people per-hour. Top Spin 1 (Top Spin, owned by Bausch, manufactured by Huss): Any midway with 2 Huss Top Spins is a good one in my book. This one was all I had come to expect from my years of anticipation. Flip…after flip…after flip. However, I will note that the Top Spin2 at Coney Island is being run just as well as this one, just without the kick ass flash. I lost count after about 20 flips. Toboggan (owned by Astrid Konrad): Yet another in the “never in America” category, this is an Oktoberfest tradition. I listened to the attendant tell me not to hold onto the handrail, climbed upon a conveyor belt rushing uphill at about 30 degrees, and flew skyward (decidedly off-balance). I was able to not injure myself during the ascent, so I was careful on the descent. This consisted of a bag and circular slide (much like the venerable suicide slide at Knoebels- only faster). Teufel’s Rad (Devil’s Wheel): This was one experience I could only watch and not ride. This is a large tent, much like a one-ring circus tent. In the middle sits a wheel, similar to the Human Roulette Wheel at Steeplechase Park (and now found at a few parks across the globe). On either side of the wheel there are bleachers so that throngs can watch their friends and family embarrass themselves. The attraction works much like a traditional amusement ride. The big difference is that half-way through the cycle, just about the time those who know what they are doing have stayed on and the amateurs are off, the fun begins. First, it was the ropes. One or two assistants would try and throw a rope around the leg of a patron and drag them off the disc. This method thinned the herd for a while and then the ball came out. Yes, a ball (about 1.5 feet in diameter) hung from the ceiling and attached to a rope was swung and proceeded to knock people off. Those who made it through the ball felt the wrath of the rope and ball combo, which generally took care of the stragglers until one remained. In our puritan society I doubt we would let people get possibly injured by choices, or allow the nice shots of breasts and underwear the precarious positions the wheel afforded (and that is a real shame). Wild Mouse (Wild Mouse, owned by Munch, manufactured by Maurer Soehne): Nothing too special here. During the years the farm equipment show is not playing Munch brings two mirrored mice and puts them side-by-side. This year there was farm equipment, so only one mouse by its lonesome. Playball (Flipper, owned by Gaus, manufactured by Huss): I have now been on the Huss Flipper and its smaller brothers, the K&T Enterprises Twister and the ARM Touchdown. I can’t say any really knock my socks off. Sure, there are some decent snaps of the car. And, at least at Oktoberfest, the lights played interesting patterns across my half-drunken droopy eyes, which made it even more fun. But overall, this is one flat ride I just won’t ride over and over as I do so many others Tagada (Tagada, owned by Lechner, unsure of manufacturer): Ahh, the Tagada. It really is the stuff legends are made of. Can a ride get any simpler than this? Take a disc, add seats and railings, set it at an angle above a pneumatically-system, add music and you have a mean bastard of a ride. What does it do- nothing more than spin and bounce. But, oh, how it does this. I was laughing the entire time I rode the Tagada. The amusement industry side of me couldn’t believe that something like this was allowed to operate, the ride lover in me was just so happy that it did operate. Up and down, as the ride cycle went on the ring seemed to spin faster and the poofs of air sent me higher in the air. At first I just bounced up off my seat. But, by the end of the ride I was landing on the seat’s edge or slamming down onto the floor. To quote untalented Branson mainstay Yakov Smirnov, “vat a country”. Not ridden: Mack Music Express: Sure it had a pimped out undercarriage with purple neon, but a Music Express is a Music Express, here they just run it longer. Mondial Capriolo: I was debating this one. While it looked good, the line got long quick and I was honestly salivating to get in multiple Top Scan and Shake rides as opposed to paying a lot for one spin on this propeller. Huss Shot’N Drop: While this is impressive as a portable tower, the ride action looked pretty terrible. Swingin’ Gyms: Sheer stupidity on my part. I will head here during my next visit. KMG Afterburner: Again, I have been on many of these when they were run wicked in the states, I just couldn’t find the justification for it. Zierer Wave Swinger (2): Had they been running backwards (as in 2003) I would have been on in an instant. As it was, they looked good. One had a circus-themed flash with balloons on each group of four chains, sick strobes and a great sounds system. Rund um den Tegernsee (Round about Lake Tegern): I don’t know who made this, but it looks like it could be a Schwarzkopf. This round ride (kind of like a gigantic caterpillar themed to the max) has waterfalls and a gigantic lake in the middle. Feuer und Eis (Fire and Ice): This was a lovingly cared for Alpenblitz II from Schwarzkopf. Münchner Zugspitzbahn (Munich Mountainpeak Train): This old (possibly Mack) Matterhorn-style ride is owned by Michael Menzel. My favorite aspect of the ride is the animatronic Snowman. Bumper Cars (2 sets): These things looked awesome (deafening sound system and club-like lights), but the rides appeared ok at best. Krinoline: After missing the Swingin’ Gyms this was my second regret. This is an Oktoberfest tradition, one of the oldest rides at the fair. The history nerd in me feels ashamed. I promise the Niederlander family I will ride whenever my next visit takes place. This is just the ride highlights of my days. There was plenty of time spent people watching, drinking and eating, but I am tired of typing. I hope you enjoyed the read. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jophish17@comcast.net Mon Aug 15 21:04:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22634 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 04:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 04:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 04:04:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 04:04:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 04:04:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 04:04:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:04:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Man sues Dollywood... says roller coaster caused brain damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=wWjkg9pIcwlVhYej3i8y0GfDvrJoLlKV2R9lhUj8kUfkehyM X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 A Mississippi electrician who brought his family to singer Dolly Parton's namesake amusement park for a vacation says his Smoky Mountain adventure ended in severe brain damage. Arthur Miller, who visited the Pigeon Forge, Tenn., theme park in 2000, is seeking $20 million in damages from Dollywood and Dolly Parton Productions stemming from his ill-fated jaunt on the Blazing Fury, an indoor roller coaster that takes passengers through an Old West town "with great speed," according to Dollywood's Web site. A suit filed in U.S. District Court in Knoxville last week alleges that the defendants took inadequate measures to warn riders that "the unexpected turns and drops occurred in the dark and with such severity that a rider's head or neck could be snapped or whipped in such a way as to cause brain damage or stroke." "It's a complicated case because of the medical injuries involved," said Mark Gratz, the plaintiff's attorney. "It took some heavy hitters to analyze the medical records." Miller's lawyers say the aggressive twists and turns caused his neck to pop and are to blame for the vertigo and nausea that he developed immediately following the ride. Almost five years later, Miller claims he is devoid of all sensory perception and motor skills and regularly experiences "debilitating strokes." Miller's wife, who is also a plaintiff in the suit, is seeking an extra $2 million for the loss of her husband's consortium and other "tangible benefits" including "love, affection, attention, caring and companionship." Miller's lawyers say the oversight makes the suit a flashpoint for the largely unregulated nature of amusement park rides. "It's not just about the failure to warn about the ride, but the failure to maintain the ride," said co-counsel George Dent. "The industry has ignored this risk and wants it to go away." In fact, soon after Miller's injury occurred, U.S. Rep. Edward Mackey (D-Mass.) instigated a congressional hearing on amusement park ride safety. In Tennessee, where tourist-attracting businesses such as Dollywood have revitalized local economies and where a former amusement park manager was recently convicted of homicide for a visitor's death, State Rep. Richard Montgomery has been pushing for new safety legislation for years. "We needed to develop a board to provide oversight and make sure that the laws we passed were being enforced," Montgomery said. New laws, which go into effect January, will require parks to prove they have $1 million insurance policies before an independent safety inspection of the specific ride can go forward, or else the ride may not operate. A spokesperson for Dollywood said the park denies Miller's claims and remains proud of its role as an industry leader in terms of safety. "Our rides are monitored continuously and meticulously throughout the year, whether the park is opened or closed," said spokesman Pete Owens. Owens said he is unaware of any previous injury involving the Blazing Fury, which he said predates Dollywood's buyout of the amusement park property 20 years ago. He also said Dollywood has been cited on numerous occasions for going beyond the industry standards set by American Society of Testing for Testing Materials, which provides independent testing of its rides each year. "On the Smoky Mountain train ride, we make adults sit on the outside seat and the kids on the inside, even though we are not required to," Owens said. http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/0815/miller-a-c_ctv.html From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 10:50:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80261 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 17:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 17:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 17:50:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 17:49:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 17:49:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:49:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CTLarUrWr8Q2uE9XkyEYQuRI-URnsSOOpq4x3JMmb3fi_-w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 16, 2005 WHIO-TV 7 http://www.whiotv.com/news/4857033/detail.html?rss=day&psp=news SANDUSKY, Ohio -- Cedar Point amusement park is putting a 22-y.o. free-fall ride up for sale. The 131'-tall Demon Drop was built for $2.5 million in 1983. Riders on the Demon Drop fall 10 stories in less than 3 seconds. A park spokesman said selling the ride will make room for new projects. If no buyers come forward, the park will keep the ride. Cedar Point did not reveal the asking price. The 300'-tall Power Tower ride built in 1998 is similar to the Demon Drop, but it is propelled by compressed air instead of gravity. The Demon Drop will continue to operate while it's up for sale. -------- Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 10:58:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67242 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 17:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 17:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 17:58:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 17:58:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:58:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Pointers from a guy who has been there X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JdnB-hs-0oEtldVGOQsGR16FgPnpBp_f55i7FxdkYJWS7nM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 16, 2005 Kansas City Star http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/12392152.htm by Rick Alm Confessed amusement park addict Brian Richardson has authored a=20 clever little pocketbook guide on how to beat carnival midway games. There's nothing sure-fire or scientific about his tips or list of=20 unbeatable games to avoid. The Houstonian draws mainly on his own experiences in The Secrets of=20 Amusement Park Games (Silver Star Publishing; $3.95), available at=20 amazon.com. Still, the thin volume represents some rare advice on an arcane=20 subject. And for anybody who has ever tried and failed at carnival midway=20 games =97 which is most of us =97 this quick read of pointers from a guy=20 who has been there and won certainly can't hurt. For instance, in the milk can softball toss, Richardson advises lots=20 of backspin and aiming for the can's front inside lip at a flattish=20 angle. In the red star shooting booth, waste a few BB rounds to "zero" the=20 gun's sight, then adjust your aim accordingly =97 and don't aim at the=20 star. Instead, shoot a circle around it to blast the star away and=20 win a prize. Richardson also advises avoiding that classic test of strength in=20 which participants whack a scale with an oversized mallet. The author=20 reveals how the game can be mechanically manipulated so little old=20 ladies and children win while muscle-bound he-men sometimes can't do=20 any better than a "wimp" rating on the strength meter. Many of the games Richardson explores are available at Worlds of Fun=20 in Kansas City. And Matt Steere, the park's games and merchandise manager,=20 insists "every single game here is winnable." That may not be so at some other venues like traveling=20 carnivals, "where they're out to do whatever it takes to make money,"=20 he cautions. Steere, who has been in the carnival game business 18 years, would=20 agree with Richardson that disreputable operators aren't above=20 rigging the games =97 hammering down basketball rims to deflect close=20 shots or installing a hidden spring in the toss-the-ball-in-the- bushel-basket game. "There are all sorts of tricks to these games,"=20 he said. "But you won't find that at 95% of reputable family fun=20 parks" =97 including Worlds of Fun. "I tell people right up front what to do to win," Steere said. And=20 then he volunteered the same advice Richardson had for the milk can=20 game. Steere's rule of thumb for deciding which games to play: "The bigger=20 the prize, the more skill is involved" to win. Steere loves his work. The booths' summer staff of teenage game=20 operators helps keep him young, he said. "And there's nothing better=20 than having a little kid win," he said. "They light up like a=20 Christmas tree =97 and I get to play Santa Claus" ------------- =A9 Copyright 2004 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 11:00:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46385 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 18:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 18:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 18:00:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:00:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:00:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050816005114.43796.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 68 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR: Oktoberfest (Munich, Germany)- September, 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tSjGJ_eFCErhB5SJPQr7WqtpupdnFLZxMH4QRpErlI6Eei0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Adam, Love it! Love it! Love it! Boy, I really wanna go now. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 11:12:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94115 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 18:12:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:12:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Firefighters In Deep Water - Training X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7m62zgeEmHOYeuQyJx8489pZSr3wfbB5PLzpGiXHvq3JZWE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 15, 2005 RNews http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?ID=3D29587&rnews_story_type=3D18 by Mary McCombs & Nate Kramer Rochester, NY -- A local amusement park is the training site for the=20 Rochester Fire Department's water rescue team. Firefighters were using the wave pool at Seabreeze Amusement Park=20 (www.seabreeze.com) as part of an exercise to better prepare for a=20 real emergency in the water. "If they have to enter a body of water, be it the river or Lake=20 Ontario, we want to show them their capabilities and limitations,=20 specifically working in the river near Court Street because of the=20 falls, we've had a couple rescues this year", says Joe Giorgione, a=20 firefighter and program trainer. "This is pretty realistic without actually being out on the water. So=20 it gives us a chance to be in a controlled environment to practice=20 what we need to know, to be out in case we are called for an=20 emergency out on the lake", says Rochester firefighter Rick Cortez. So far this year, city firefighters have responded to 2 water rescues. --------------- =A9 2005 Time Warner Cable From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 11:25:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95327 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 18:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 18:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 18:25:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:24:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 18:24:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:24:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Rain turns Wild West World groundbreaking into ribbon tearing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MxuyRMmuk5Fcs1UwSVVH2jW3AhRqP4BJRGJD3Xl8v3xAS68 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 15, 2005 Wichita Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2005/08/15/daily3.html? from_rss=3D1 by Ken Vandruff Park City, KS -- Rain and soggy ground forced the relocation of the=20 groundbreaking ceremony for the Wild West World amusement park to the=20 Prairie Rose Ranch near Benton. Thomas Etheredge, owner of both attractions, outlined his plans for=20 the $17-million Western-theme development to a standing-room-only=20 crowd that filled the Prairie Rose dining hall. "Only in America=20 could a cowboy build a theme park," he says. WWW is being billed as the first Western-theme amusement park in the=20 world. A 40'-tall waving cowboy sign will mark the entrance. The park will feature 25 amusement rides that include 2 roller=20 coasters and a log plume ride. Old West-style store fronts will house=20 craftspeople demonstrating Old West skills such as saddle making,=20 wagon building and blacksmithing. The centerpiece is the 1,300- seat "Johnny Western Concert Theater & Exhibition Hall," which will=20 book concerts featuring all styles of music. Park City officials tore a ribbon symbolizing the start of=20 construction. The park is scheduled to open in May 2007. It will=20 employ between 25-30 full-time workers and between 200-300 part-time=20 workers during the park's operating season of May-September. Etheredge formally announced that Papa John's Pizza is building a=20 prototype pizza and convenience store. Half the 16 commercial lots=20 are sold and Etheredge believes the rest will be sold by the end of=20 the year. WWW is expected to draw up to 280,000 people during its 1st year of=20 operation and projected to attract 450,000 visitors during its 5th=20 year. -------------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Aug 16 13:02:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51856 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2005 20:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2005 20:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2005 20:02:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 20:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2005 20:02:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:02:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.222 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Rainbow Valley (PEI, Canada) closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=DxhHRVCt1pdRvYiD2UkDksoL2hA0uEGRXfy8RNP7UXd1JInTstU X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred From Amusement Today: Rainbow Valley Amusement Park closed for good (AUG 16; 11:52 AM) Rainbow Valley, a charming amusement park located on the Gulf of Saint Lawrence in the Canadian province of Prince Edward Island closed for good on Labor Day 2005. The forty-acre park billed as "Atlantic Canada's Best Known Premier Attraction" has been for many years as a popular destination for families with children visiting PEI's Cavendish resort area. Rainbow Valley was home to six waterslides, three boating lakes, a guest-powered monorail, several flat rides (including a small steel roller coaster), a petting zoo, arcade, and several live and animated shows. According to published reports, the park's owner is retiring and approached the Canadian government about buying the property with the stipulation that it would continue to be used for recreation. Parks Canada paid $2.7 million for Rainbow Valley and has announced it will make $3.3 million in changes. Though the rides and attractions are being sold, Parks Canada will enhance the property with cycling, walking paths and roller skating facilities. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 19:40:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31133 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 02:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 02:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 02:40:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 02:39:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 02:39:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:39:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WwDAzPJ9N1zy-3Z3DT8gECu546C79hURXdVn5kKn7Vn1xBzXoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > SANDUSKY, Ohio -- Cedar Point amusement park is putting a 22-y.o. > free-fall ride up for sale. > > The 131'-tall Demon Drop was built for $2.5 million in 1983. Riders > on the Demon Drop fall 10 stories in less than 3 seconds. > > A park spokesman said selling the ride will make room for new > projects. If no buyers come forward, the park will keep the ride. > > Cedar Point did not reveal the asking price. The 300'-tall Power > Tower ride built in 1998 is similar to the Demon Drop, but it is > propelled by compressed air instead of gravity. > > The Demon Drop will continue to operate while it's up for sale. Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we were speculating about? Chris B From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 08:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56477 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 15:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 15:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 15:41:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 15:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 15:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 15:39:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1198 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale (plus SFMM question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=kTcvHnaczSdWRRD-AgpKjzVUWU8VHp5PIwFa_kkwKMRswTPeVWtH X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we > were speculating about? Gee thanks. I don't have a real strong opinion either way, but I'm still not convinced that there's some large difference between this and, say, Superman: The Escape with an elevator lift that only "the uninitiated" wouldn't get. Speaking of which, I was at SFMM last week and S:TE was running fine, at least the right side. It had been closed the last couple of times I was there and so I had wrongly assumed the ride had become prematurely SBNO. Deja Vu was running, too. The annoying thing, though, was that the ONLY way up to the top of the hill was the ramp/hill that come up from between the Spin Out and the Gold Rusher. The Funicular was closed, and the staircase from Rapids Camp was closed, too. Up at the top of the hill, the only things open were Superman and Ninja. They seem to be doing some sort of construction in the Japanese garden and at the base of the Sky Tower, which would explain why the Funicular and the Rapids Camp stairs are closed. Anybody have any idea what they're up to? Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 12:58:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66796 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 19:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 19:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 19:58:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 19:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 19:58:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:58:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Seeing Tomorrowland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RkZbE5IwE_KfGLjBv9_9m-oNhuoFgTqbjajdTB9DItu12qM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 14, 2005 North Jersey http://www.northjersey.com/page.php? qstr=3DeXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNDEmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3NDQ1NjUme XJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky By JIM BECKERMAN Amusement park. Theme park. Same difference, right? As Porky Pig, one of the mascots of the Warner Bros.-themed Six Flags=20 Great Adventure, might say: "Bde, bde, bde, bde, bde, bde - nope."=20 =20 It was 50 years ago this summer that a big step for Walt Disney=20 became an even bigger step for the amusement park industry. With the=20 opening of Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif., on July 17, 1955, the theme=20 park was born. And nothing has been the same since - from the concept=20 of the family vacation to the contents of daddy's wallet. "This has=20 been emulated across the country and around the world," says Tim=20 O'Day, spokesman for Disney Resorts in California. It was Disney who turned the ragtag assortment of rides in a=20 traditional amusement park into "themed" adventures, tied together by=20 setting and story line. In doing so, he transformed amusement parks from raffish honky-tonk=20 places frequented by sailors and their dates to the vast, immersive=20 family resorts that today bring in $17-$20 billion a year=20 worldwide. "The theme is the ribbon that ties it all together," says=20 Kristin Siebeneicher, spokeswoman for Six Flags Great Adventure in=20 Jackson. "When you're in a theme park, you're immersed in the=20 experience. It's like traveling to another country." "Fantasy Forest," "The Golden Kingdom," "The Old Country"=20 and "Frontier Adventures" are some of the nine "themed" areas in SF,=20 opened in 1974, that clearly owe something to=20 Disney's "Frontierland," "Adventureland," "Tomorrowland"=20 and "Fantasyland." As in DL, they all radiate out from a central "Main Street" of old- timey shops and turn-of-the-century facades. And as in Disney, all=20 are meant to take visitors out of themselves and into an imaginary=20 realm. "The idea is to make people really lose themselves," says=20 James Zoltak, editor of the trade publication Amusement Business=20 Magazine. On a theme park ride, it is not you zooming along at 50 mph. It's Superman, Batman, Peter Pan - identities that you take on for 3=20 minutes of looping, plunging, corkscrewing excitement. Credit the "imagineers" at Disney, with their movie backgrounds, for=20 bringing the key element of storytelling to amusement rides in=20 1955. "What we really do is tell entertaining and compelling stories,=20 through our rides, shops, restaurants, entertainment, even our resort=20 hotels," O'Day says. Such outside-the-box thinking became the cornerstone of an empire:=20 There are now 11 Disney theme parks worldwide, and DL itself has=20 expanded from its 18 original attractions into 60, with a 2nd park,=20 Disney's California Adventure, right next door. -------------- =A9 2005 North Jersey Media Group Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 13:02:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86100 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:02:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Seeing Tomorrowland, Part II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iRiKrz7GcxzBlVoyeYBVRenWaj2ZVCqwHAJbOdZkz1dzU1E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 14, 2005 North Jersey http://www.northjersey.com/page.php? qstr=3DeXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNDEmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3NDQ1NjUme XJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky By JIM BECKERMAN Meanwhile, every non-Disney park is doing its best to emulate=20 Disney's concepts. For instance: QUEUES: It was Disney's idea to break up long lines into a series of=20 short queues, so that patrons have the illusion of a shorter, faster- moving line. Hence that maze of railings, now standard at every=20 amusement park. Disney also introduced the "pre-show" elements -=20 animated mannequins, sound effects and so on - to entertain you=20 during your wait. MASCOTS: Shake hands with Mickey Mouse! Or, if you're in Six Flags=20 Great Adventure, Porky Pig. Or Big Bird, if you're at Sesame Place.=20 What would an amusement park be without costumed characters with big=20 heads? Blame Disney's big head - he wanted his characters to be seen=20 constantly throughout Disneyland's 65 acres. "THEMING": A dark ride is a dark ride, and a carousel is a carousel,=20 right? Not at Disneyland, where they became Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and=20 King Arthur's Carousel. By "theming" the rides to different films,=20 Disney not only gave young minds some extra food for fantasy, but=20 also used each ride to plug other Disney movies and attractions -=20 which in turn plugged the rides, which in turn. ... "In Disneyland,"=20 someone once wrote, "everything advertises everything else." Other=20 resorts, themed to Warner characters (all 8 Six Flags parks) or=20 Paramount (Paramount's Great America in California, King's Dominion=20 in Virginia) have taken note. COURTESY: Ever been charmed - or annoyed - when a waiter comes to=20 your table and announces, "I'm Jim, and I'll be your server today"?=20 It all goes back to Disneyland, whose creator once declared: "The=20 only 'Mr.' here is Mr. Toad." First-naming has been standard=20 operating procedure for the service industry ever since. Disneyland=20 is also credited with introducing name tags, and the policy - now=20 widespread =97 of referring to customers as "guests" and the help=20 as "cast members." FIREWORKS: In grandpa's day, they were for Fourth of July - period.=20 Disney began the practice of shooting skyrockets every night during=20 the summer, so that the castle of his "Magic Kingdom" could be seen=20 against a background of exploding streamers, diadems and brocades.=20 Today, many Jersey Shore resorts feature weekly fireworks. They're=20 also not unknown at supermarket openings. ENVIRONMENT: "Dirty, phony places, run by tough-looking people" is=20 how Disney described the typical amusement park, pre-Disneyland. To=20 make sure his fun park was different, Disney went to obsessive=20 lengths. No barkers, no beer sales, no grime. Every night after=20 closing, armies of attendants clean litter, replant shrubs and scrape=20 gum off the sidewalks. Other parks have followed suit. "DESTINATION" RESORTS: No one would have thought of booking a room=20 for an amusement park before Disney opened his Disneyland Hotel in=20 1955. Today, occupancy for the 2,243 rooms at Disneyland's 3 hotels=20 usually runs at 90% or higher. Thanks to Disney, the old-fashioned=20 day trip to the amusement park has morphed into an expensive family=20 vacation ("Let's go to Orlando!") that can last a week or more.=20 Meanwhile, the object of every other theme park is to create enough=20 attractions to necessitate at least a 2-day stay. Most DL innovations seem like common sense today. But back in the=20 1950s, most people thought Disney was a madman when he tried to raise=20 the initial $17 million for his grandiose concept. The few precursors=20 to the Disney-style park - for instance, Indiana's "Santa Claus Land"=20 (1946), with one ride when it opened - had been pokey affairs. No one=20 could imagine what Disney was aiming at. "It was very much a gamble,"=20 O'Day says. "Everyone told him it would not work." It didn't help that opening day was, famously, a disaster. "Many=20 portions of the park weren't ready," O'Day says. "Attractions broke=20 down. The asphalt was still drying on Main Street. Women's high heels=20 were sinking into the asphalt. Also, there was a plumbers' strike,=20 and Walt had the choice of having either working restrooms or working=20 drinking fountains. He chose the restrooms, of course." -------------- =A9 2005 North Jersey Media Group Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 13:40:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39831 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 20:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 20:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 20:40:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:40:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:40:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement Park History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=d4aUXxiI7sRQvJCBl_jzGvWpIRMGUGwbBZhkGAHKYXS8ANM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 14, 2005 North Jersey http://www.northjersey.com/page.php? qstr=3DeXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNDEmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3NDQ1NjUme XJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky By JIM BECKERMAN 1583. Bakken, near Copenhagen, opens. This amusement park, still in=20 operation, is considered the oldest in the world. 1893. World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago. The famed Chicago=20 World's Fair introduces both the Ferris wheel and the midway to=20 amusement park design. Both are widely imitated. 1895. Sea Lion Park, the first of Coney Island's amusement parks,=20 opens. In succeeding years, parks like Steeplechase, Luna Park and=20 Dreamland will make Coney Island world famous. 1898. Palisades Park is opened by the Bergen Traction Co. (later=20 PSE&G). Like many early amusement parks, this was a "trolley park,"=20 built at the end of the line in order to lure weekend picnickers. A=20 fixture in Fort Lee for more than 70 years, the park finally closes=20 in 1971. 1928. Playland, the 1st fully planned amusement park, opens in Rye,=20 N.Y. 1946. Santa Claus Land (now Holiday World), sometimes called=20 the "first theme park," opens in Santa Claus, Ind. It has 1 ride: the=20 1/4-scale Mother Goose Land Train. 1955. Disneyland opens, and the "theme park" is officially born. 1960. Freedomland U.S.A., in the Bronx, becomes the first big theme=20 park misfire. The park, laid out like a map of the US, is a high- minded mixture of education, patriotism and family fun. It goes over=20 like a 3-ton textbook. It closes in 1964. 1961. Six Flags Over Texas opens in Arlington. The 6 themed areas are=20 designed to reflect the 6 governments in Texas history: Spanish,=20 French, Mexican, Republic, Confederate and United States. 1971. Walt Disney World opens in Orlando. 1974. Great Adventure opens in Jackson. In 1977, it is sold and=20 becomes Six Flags Great Adventure. 1983. Disneyland Tokyo opens. 1992. Disneyland Paris opens, amid much sniffing from Francophiles. 1995. After going toe to toe with angry preservationists, Disney=20 surrenders in its bid to locate a Civil War theme park near Manassas,=20 Va. Soon after, disgruntled New Yorkers begin referring to the Disney- revamped Times Square as a theme park. The term is starting to have=20 negative connotations: slick, fake, overplanned. -------------- =A9 2005 North Jersey Media Group Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 13:51:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35625 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:51:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 20:51:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:51:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Dozens Sick After Water Park Visits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=l2RxjfI1KpE9JTgJ2kr12vyE_haviS9Vf5QdU5wySR_l6Do X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 16, 2005 R News http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?ID=3D29619&rnews_story_type=3D18 by Kate Welshofer Seneca Lake, OH -- A popular place to cool off in Geneva is=20 temporarily closed. This after dozens of people became sick. Instead of being filled with families having fun, the "sprayground"=20 at Seneca Lake State Park is surrounded by caution tape. This, after=20 40 cases of gastrointestinal illness were reported to health=20 departments in Seneca, Ontario, Wayne and Monroe counties. Colleen Goodenough of Churchville and her family went to the park=20 August 4.They were joined by other family members from Clifton=20 Springs and Connecticut. Within a few days, all were suffering from=20 similar problems including severe diarrhea and vomiting. Goodenough's son, Eddie, 3 is still recovering. He recently had to be=20 treated for dehydration at the hospital. "When we went the water=20 smelled clean, I mean, it smells like chlorine," Goodenough=20 said. "We've been there before never had any problems, but that many=20 people in that short amount of time is kind of curious, I guess." The "sprayground" will remain closed while health officials=20 investigate. They're asking anyone who visited the park in late July=20 or early August who has since become ill to contact their county=20 health department to report the illness. ------------ =A9 2005 Time Warner Cable From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 13:53:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72709 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 20:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 20:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 20:53:28 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E5Uud-0007hw-S9 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4303A3CD.4050909@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:53:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4a998dcedd007ad26825c6775be8f45ca2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=IQHw0mEgP7ktIvbk4z8JB2wR9sIayQFplfx3UeLG22C1wI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > SANDUSKY, Ohio -- Cedar Point amusement park is putting a 22-y.o. > > free-fall ride up for sale. > > > > The 131'-tall Demon Drop was built for $2.5 million in 1983. Riders > > on the Demon Drop fall 10 stories in less than 3 seconds. > > Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we > were speculating about? > That's pretty much what I'm thinking at this point. Heck, there are still enough arguments in the coaster community sometimes about whether or not it's a coaster. :) So I'd say it's a pretty good bet that's what it was. So now I'm betting the discussion turns to wondering if they're going to put something in that spot, and if so, what it will be. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 14:00:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37140 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 21:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:00:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:00:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:00:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Plan to Move Fair to Meadow Farm Progresses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Fow66pi75roDQQHTxC00nEc931HF7MXTisSsuqZLthwUEjs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/17/2005 The Blood-Horse http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=3D29554 by Nick Hahn Glen Allen, VA -- Plans are being finalized to relocate the State=20 Fair of Virginia to Meadow Farm, birthplace of 1973 Triple Crown=20 winner Secretariat. A $17-million road that includes a bridge over the North Anna River=20 would lead the way to Meadow Farm, future home to the State Fair of=20 Virginia, should the Caroline County Board of Supervisors approve a=20 rezoning and special use permit request Sept. 13. The Caroline County=20 Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the=20 applications after an Aug. 3 workshop. Should the board of supervisors approve the applications, the project=20 would require site-plan review approval, which is largely an=20 administrative process. The road improvement project consists of building 2 additional lanes=20 on the south end of SR-30, which is currently an undivided 2-lane=20 highway. The road project would extend for 2 miles from Paramount's=20 Kings Dominion, an amusement park located just off I-95 north of=20 Richmond, to the entrance of the 377-acre Meadow Farm property. Gov. Mark Warner amended the state budget to make the road=20 improvements a priority project. The move allows it to be funded and=20 placed on the Virginia Department of Transportation's 6-year road=20 improvement plan for the county. The road improvements should be=20 completed in August 2007. The State Fair of Virginia is currently held at the Richmond Raceway=20 Complex and attracts more than 250,000 patrons. 4 archeological sites=20 have been discovered as part of the road improvement project and are=20 being further explored by VDOT and Virginia's Department of Historic=20 Resources. No archeological sites have been discovered on the Meadow=20 Farm property. "We're progressing on," said Jay Lugar, director of=20 marketing for the State Fair of Virginia. "I think we gave over 50=20 proffers that went over all kinds of things to make everyone=20 comfortable." The proffers range from the how the facility is operated to having=20 the trim of structures painted in the Chenery racing silk=20 colors. "Typically, the board doesn't get involved until the planning=20 commission has completed their work," said Michael Finchum, planning=20 director for Caroline County. "It has been pretty smooth. A lot of=20 the opposition's concerns have been addressed. They tried to address=20 the commission's concerns in regard to architecture and to keep it in=20 an equestrian theme, consistent with the rural character of the area." The newly created Virginia Museum of the Horse also is looking to=20 locate on the property. Curry Roberts, president of the State Fair of=20 Virginia, said only one other "greenfields" fairgrounds has been=20 built in the United States in the last 30 years. Atlantic Rural Exposition operates the fair and hopes to hold the=20 2007 Virginia State Fair at the farm it purchased in 2003. The=20 Strawberry Hill Races currently held at Colonial Downs are hosted by=20 Atlantic Rural Exposition and won't be held at Meadow Farm until 2008=20 to allow for a 7-furlong steeplechase course to become well=20 established. "We want to have the turf befitting of the horse," Lugar=20 said in reference to Secretariat. -------------------- Copyright =A9 2005 The Blood-Horse From x2fan2001@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 14:03:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: x2fan2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68270 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60225.mail.yahoo.com) (209.73.178.113) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18036 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2005 21:03:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050817210329.18034.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.133] by web60225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:03:28 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4303A3CD.4050909@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.73.178.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: John Jacobs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148551223; y=dN0FDKbJ_phcCa23-RFPLeBv6wQjdO3PlM-COMjPjaWXBiNE X-Yahoo-Profile: x2fan2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alot of the amusement parks here on the east coast don't have those particular type of drop rides. Most parks are now focusing on the giant towers that blast you up and thrust you down. I however prefer the drop rides like "Demon Drop" simply because its unique. If they sell it I hope any of the mid atlantic parks(ex. Six Flags America, Kings Dominion, Busch Gardens) would buy it so that would make it more accessible for me considering I live around those parks. george burnash wrote:Chris wrote: > > SANDUSKY, Ohio -- Cedar Point amusement park is putting a 22-y.o. > > free-fall ride up for sale. > > > > The 131'-tall Demon Drop was built for $2.5 million in 1983. Riders > > on the Demon Drop fall 10 stories in less than 3 seconds. > > Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we > were speculating about? > That's pretty much what I'm thinking at this point. Heck, there are still enough arguments in the coaster community sometimes about whether or not it's a coaster. :) So I'd say it's a pretty good bet that's what it was. So now I'm betting the discussion turns to wondering if they're going to put something in that spot, and if so, what it will be. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 14:48:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62303 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 21:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:48:05 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E5VlU-0000s3-2o for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:48:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4303B099.70700@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:48:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4a965c61cb59c71766e1b07b6de8ea84a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Man sues Dollywood... says roller coaster caused brain damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2IheUMmjFul13QHX_kZcJMjGJmWaeFDP4MGdtYX3qEzgopY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Joseph Rehanek wrote: > Arthur Miller, who visited the Pigeon Forge, Tenn., theme park in > 2000, is seeking $20 million in damages from Dollywood and Dolly > Parton Productions stemming from his ill-fated jaunt on the Blazing > Fury, an indoor roller coaster that takes passengers through an Old > West town "with great speed," according to Dollywood's Web site. So it's taken him 5 years to figure out that it's worth suing over? And over Blazing Fury, which is nothing more than a dark ride with one (1) drop at the end of it that ends in a splashdown in water. I guess if he considers 15 mph a "great speed"... > > A suit filed in U.S. District Court in Knoxville last week alleges > that the defendants took inadequate measures to warn riders that "the > unexpected turns and drops occurred in the dark and with such severity > that a rider's head or neck could be snapped or whipped in such a way > as to cause brain damage or stroke." Sorry, but I don't see how this ride could snap or whip your neck unless you're doing something on it that you shouldn't be anyways. And even then it's a major stretch. > > "It's a complicated case because of the medical injuries involved," > said Mark Gratz, the plaintiff's attorney. "It took some heavy hitters > to analyze the medical records." Ahh, so in other words they really had to work hard to cook up some injuries that this could have maybe caused but really didn't. > Miller's lawyers say the aggressive twists and turns caused his neck > to pop and are to blame for the vertigo and nausea that he developed > immediately following the ride. Aggresive twists and turns? Not on Blazing Fury. Maybe they should actually ride it? > > Almost five years later, Miller claims he is devoid of all sensory > perception and motor skills and regularly experiences "debilitating > strokes." This is the funniest part. No sensory perception and motor skills? That means he's a vegetable completely unable to interact with the environment around him. I think that one's going to be safe to say is full of bunk. And how on earth would a ride cause you to get blod clots in the brain regularly over a period of 5 years? And it took this long for him to figure it out? To me this looks like nothing more than a weak, pitiful, attempt to squeeze money out of park with no validity to it at all. It's this kind of stuff that I really wish there was a way to clamp down on. Because it's ridiculous that the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this friviolity, as well as Dollywood. A crock of bull in my opinion. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 14:55:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29841 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 21:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:55:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:54:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:54:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 21:54:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:54:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.213.149.210 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=GHr16-wYvXcOHB0pxYocj8tAYTdJN5KHdzUVls0ouLI3R6jKShUiP0s X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Well - I guess the subject says is all. Next march I am going to orlando (international drive hotel), and would like to do all the theme parks. I'll have about 12 days to do the parks. How long do you think I'll need to do all the big thrill rides in the parks? I was thinking of: 2 days in busch gardens 1 day in sea world 2 days in universal islamds 1 day in universal studios 2 days in disney magic kingdom 1 day in disney studios 1 day in animal kingdom 1 day in epcot are the smaller disney parks worth visiting? is it worth squeezing in a day at cypress gardens? thanks From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Aug 17 15:22:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78147 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 22:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 22:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 22:22:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 22:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 22:21:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:21:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4303B099.70700@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.154.140.63 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Man sues Dollywood... says roller coaster caused brain damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=agql2A_l1FFvjz-OV7woSgWCPzSiPa_AwlaDeNqWRcFC6q-PV8SVQg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > So it's taken him 5 years to figure out that it's worth suing over? He actually sued almost immediately after the alleged injuries and reached an agreement to dismiss it, apparently with an agreement from Dollywood to toll the statute of limitations. (I'm guessing on the latter part.) That's often done when the parties want to talk settlement. (Again, that's a guess.) (The earlier suit is referenced in the complaint, on masstort.org.) > > "It's a complicated case because of the medical injuries involved," > > said Mark Gratz, the plaintiff's attorney. "It took some heavy hitters > > to analyze the medical records." > > Ahh, so in other words they really had to work hard to cook up some > injuries that this could have maybe caused but really didn't. Maybe, maybe not. My understanding is that Gratz typically does defense work, so the fact that he's taking a plaintiff's case may mean there's something more than we realize. It's not common for defense lawyers to take plaintiffs' cases. > > > Miller's lawyers say the aggressive twists and turns caused his neck > > to pop and are to blame for the vertigo and nausea that he developed > > immediately following the ride. > > Aggresive twists and turns? Not on Blazing Fury. Maybe they should > actually ride it? I'm inclined to agree, but I'd also like to point out that the complaint alleges that a safety inspection in 1999 recommended changes to the section of track that the plaintiff alleges caused trouble -- changes that weren't implemented. I don't know what those changes were, I don't know if they have anything to do with it -- but I'd sure like to see that inspection report. (The complaint, again, is available on my site - http://masstort.org.) > > > > Almost five years later, Miller claims he is devoid of all sensory > > perception and motor skills and regularly experiences "debilitating > > strokes." > > This is the funniest part. No sensory perception and motor skills? > That means he's a vegetable completely unable to interact with the > environment around him. I think that one's going to be safe to say is > full of bunk. Lawsuits typically phrase things in terms of "the plaintiff's allegations" or "the plaintiff's claims" even if the plaintiff is comatose. Unless there's some reason to think that he's running around (and I've seen none in any story or in any Dollywood response), I don't know how you can say that it's full of bunk. > > To me this looks like nothing more than a weak, pitiful, attempt to > squeeze money out of park with no validity to it at all. It's this kind > of stuff that I really wish there was a way to clamp down on. Because > it's ridiculous that the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this > friviolity, as well as Dollywood. A crock of bull in my opinion. You may be right (in fact, I expect you are), but I don't think there's anywhere enough information out there to come to that conclusion. The best point is that the ride is mild and slow, but that ride inspection report may well point out some problem we don't have the expertise to recognize. (I doubt it -- but I'm just pointing it out.) We don't do any favors to anyone in reaching conclusions on such minimal information as one report before discovery has taken place. I think it makes sense to note the most likely problems with the plaintiff's case, but we just don't know enough to reach such an enthusiastic conclusion, in my view. Bill From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 16:31:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79437 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 23:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2005 23:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 23:31:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 23:31:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2005 23:31:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:31:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale (plus SFMM question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=mA42viM_Cp4GIc36c0AZfxyeueqWGTt5BHHw2MFswZcIO5eVpg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" > wrote: > > Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we > > were speculating about? > > Gee thanks. I don't have a real strong opinion either way, but I'm > still not convinced that there's some large difference between this > and, say, Superman: The Escape with an elevator lift that only "the > uninitiated" wouldn't get. I used to call this a coaster, too, but now I feel that it is a drop tower, like any power tower, etc. Most people seem to disagree both ways. A common explanation is that the cars don't maintain orientation to the tracks. That doesn't do it for me. I figure that it was a prototype for later generations of drop towers. Intamin (the maker) even classifies it as a 1st gen drop tower. Anybody have any idea what they're up to? > > Adam Check out Theme Park Review, Screamscape or many others for more on this. The rumors range from a large B&M flying coaster being installed to imploding the skytower! Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 17 17:25:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54729 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 00:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 00:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 00:25:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:25:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200508171725.AA44237118@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=pGL8jgfMYR2mJybAS3ALR9uqIOlfYwrHD-HVZvWk7coI14Wsp5-V X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Most uninitiated consider this a coaster. Maybe this is the sale we >were speculating about? < That's probably true. The ride never came to my mind. I don't consider this a loss. Actually, I don't know who else would want the thing. I've never seen so many small moving parts like this ride has! It looks like a maintenance headache. And the ride experience was pretty uncomfortable. It reminded me of a half-hearted attempt to make a TOGO heartline coaster. Certainly not one of Intamin's most revered creations. (I usually called it the Dumpster Drop; a friend always referred to it as the Demon Dump.) It was an interesting idea for its day, but S&S created a much better way to produce the same sensation (much more comfortably). Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 19:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61149 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 02:50:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 02:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 02:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 02:50:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:50:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508171725.AA44237118@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point Puts Demon Drop Ride Up For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3HbM6y_u5ei40IVsPxBfPUGT351hqUiuFiu8qoT8Sitww9tbQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: It looks like a maintenance headache. > > Jay Which is probably why Cedar Fair is also selling the one at Geauga Lake. 6FMM, on the other hand is reportedly getting new cars for the one there. How's that for divergent business models? Chris B For $250,000 it certainly would make a nice addition to the back yard, but You could probably get a used Zyklon or Galaxi for that price instead! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 09:16:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37211 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 16:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 16:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 16:16:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:15:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:15:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Teams from KU win amusement park idea competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7W2DgjAnvUrNCOecJ-jvwVlOy22bYjnHuRmQDHdqxj9L3tc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 18, 2005 Kansas City Star http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/12409469.htm By RICK ALM Lawrence, KS -- 3 teams of University of Kansas engineering students=20 swept the top 3 awards in a national competition to develop new ideas=20 for disabled access to amusement park rides. The inaugural "Access to Fun" contest was sponsored by the=20 International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions and the=20 U.S. Access Board and drew 13 entrants from schools, design firms and=20 other organizations. "This is a tremendous compliment to the UK=20 School of Engineering program, that its students excelled above the=20 rest," the IAAPA noted in citing the winners. The 1st-place team, composed of students Tyler Docking, Matthew Hess,=20 Carla Hines and Francis Hitschmann, will share the $5,000 prize plus=20 additional financing to construct a mockup that will be showcased at=20 the IAAPA's 2005 trade show in Atlanta. Lorin Maletsky, an assistant professor of mechanical engineering, was=20 thrilled by his students' performance, noting that most of them will=20 learn of their accomplishment when they return to campus today from=20 summer break. "Nothing like this has ever happened before," Maletsky=20 said. "We spent the whole semester working on this project...Their=20 designs were well founded." He said the real payoff will come in November when the winning team=20 travels to the trade show. "Going to the conference and getting to=20 talk to potential buyers of this product will be a fantastic=20 experience for them," Maletsky said. "We try to get them as many real- world experiences as we can." Entries were judged on cost efficiency, durability, reliability,=20 operational systems and safety. IAAPA spokeswoman Mary Perez described the winning design as a=20 movable base with a rotating arm and seat that slides up & down a=20 post to place an individual in the ride. Coincidentally last week, the Travel Industry Association of America=20 and the Open Doors Organization disclosed survey findings saying that=20 21 million adults with disabilities traveled for business or pleasure=20 last year =97 and that the vast majority reported access problems. Survey sponsors estimate annual spending by travelers with=20 disabilities at more than $13.6 billion and say that figure could=20 double if more barriers are removed. The percentage of disabled=20 pleasure travelers alone was up 50% from similar findings in 2002. According to the latest survey, 82% of respondents said they had=20 encountered obstacles at airports; 60% reported difficulties at=20 lodging facilities. The U.S. Access Board is responsible for accessibility rules and=20 minimum standards in all aspects of American life. "We look forward=20 to continued innovation in the development of these important devices=20 that enable individuals with disabilities to more fully enjoy all=20 types of amusement rides," said Jan Tuck of the U.S. Access Board. IAAPA president and chief executive J. Clark Robinson said: "We hope=20 this exercise has stimulated a train of thought on a design to enable=20 individuals with limitations to use more amusement park rides. Each=20 of these teams demonstrated great ingenuity." The IAAPA is the amusement park industry's largest international=20 trade group, with more than 5,000 members in 85 countries. KU's 2nd-place team won $500. It was made up of Chris Anderson, Jesse=20 Burns, Chris Dorvak and Tanner Rinke. The 3rd place team =97 Adrien Bender, Randy Clover, Paul Rankin and=20 Mark Wolfe =97 won $200. ------------ Copyright 2004 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 09:25:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15762 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 16:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 16:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 16:25:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:23:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:23:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags soars on tender proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2Xs5vmMjw7QCu2Q7c2_tLn_scGF8HBpXo_W-3lDN2aOnBx4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 18, 2005 Market Watch http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=3D%7B53573860%2D29B5% 2D4D30%2DB118%2D3DB0A0DE4557%7D&dist=3Drss&siteid=3Dmktw By William Spain CHICAGO, IL -- Shares of Six Flags Inc. rallied Thurs, gaining about=20 15% after its largest shareholder said he was preparing a tender=20 offer that would lift his stake in the troubled amusement-park=20 operator to nearly 35%. In addition, Red Zone LLC, which is controlled by Washington Redskins=20 owner Dan Snyder, called for the replacement of top management and=20 one of 6F's directors. In a letter to 6F shareholders filed Wed. with the Securities and=20 Exchange Commission, RZ said the moves are required due to the=20 company's languishing stock price and current management's inability=20 to deliver "acceptable results." Shares of Oklahoma City-based 6F lately traded at $6.31, up 82 cents,=20 or 14.9%. Specifically in RZ's sights are Chairman and CEO Kieran Burke, CFO=20 James Dannhauser and board member Stanley Shuman. Burke and Dannhauser have been awarded grants of restricted stock and=20 options as well as higher cash compensation - all of which is, Red=20 Zone's letter said, "untied to company performance." At the same time, 6F stock "has underperformed relative to its peers=20 as well as the broader market," the letter added, noting Tuesday's=20 closing price of $5.45 is "more than 75% lower than its 5-year high=20 closing price." RZ wants cable-television executive Mark Shapiro; Dwight Schar,=20 chairman of homebuilder NVR Inc.; and Snyder to assume seats on the=20 6F board. RZ said that Shapiro will take over as Red Zone's chief executive on=20 Oct. 1. Shapiro is currently head of programming at ESPN, a Walt=20 Disney Co. subsidiary. RZ also said it intends to commence a tender offer valued at $6.50 a=20 share that would bring it to a 34.9% ownership position in 6F - the=20 most possible without setting off a "poison debt" provision that=20 could allow the company's creditors to accelerate terms on $2.6=20 billion in outstanding paper. RZ currently holds 11.7% of the company's shares, a stake it has=20 built up over the last year. In a brief written statement, 6F said that "there is no consent=20 solicitation or tender offer in effect" and that "shareholders need=20 take no action at this time." It will "carefully consider and evaluate RZ's filings and will=20 communicate with 6F's stockholders in due course," the company added. 'Daunting task'=20 In a note to investors, Bear Stearns analyst Glen Reid said that RZ=20 and Snyder face a "daunting task." Should he "prove successful in his battle for control, he will have a=20 major turnaround challenge before him," Reid said, although "we=20 believe he could prove himself more able than current management." Still, he concluded, "6F is saddled with a tremendous amount of debt=20 and situated in a relatively unpromising industry." ------------ =A9 2005 MarketWatch, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 09:35:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24238 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 16:35:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:34:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:34:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Traffic jams caused by park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=v3FiGFu1s1-ppjDSU-lP6q2tYdoIvsrBtmLxhUKo9QkFIrk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 17, 2005 Suburban Chicago News http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/top/w176flagjam.htm By Ralph Zahorik GURNEE, IL -=97 Problems with traffic circulation inside Six Flags=20 Great America's parking lot, not stalls at toll gates, have been the=20 main cause of huge traffic jams around the theme park this summer,=20 park GM Ron Sevart has told village officials. Vehicles entering the parking lot after paying parking fees were=20 being stopped for crowds of pedestrians, and those stoppages backed=20 up traffic onto Grand Ave. and beyond, he said. Internal traffic circulation in the parking lot was reconfigured over=20 the weekend to avoid future backups, Sevart said. 6F opened its new water park, Hurricane Harbor, in the parking lot=20 this year. Crowds haven't been unusually large this season, Sevart said. He said=20 attendance figures could not be disclosed. "We're not doing record=20 attendance," he said. However, attendance has climbed back to "historic" levels this=20 season, he told The News Sun. The park's 10 busiest days of the season "are probably behind us,"=20 Sevart said. The next test will probably come during the park's=20 annual Frightfest weekends in late October, he noted. Mayor Kristina Kovarik said the village is working on several fronts=20 to avoid traffic backups like ones experienced earlier this summer. In addition to working with 6F officials, the mayor said the village=20 is seeking to reopen the Washington St. entrance of the park and=20 talking with state officials about installing cameras and special=20 timing controls on traffic lights on Grand Ave. at Dilley's Rd. Part of the problem has involved motorists who ignore traffic lights=20 and block street intersections, she said. The traffic situation in=20 Gurnee has been worse this year, too, because motorists are trying to=20 avoid paying higher tolls on the Tri-State Tollway, the mayor said. The village should have reacted sooner to the big traffic jams,=20 asserted Trustee Ray Damijonaitis. "It's not appropriate to wait=20 weeks until people come to the board to complain," he said. "We need=20 to be proactive." 6F should help pay for any "extra costs" incurred by the village =97=20 police or traffic light cameras =97 to ease traffic congestion around=20 the park, he said. ---------- =A9 2005 Digital Chicago & Hollinger International Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 09:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85078 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 16:42:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 16:41:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:41:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Writ over Disney pollution award X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-q9zzDPvcnif0tOVkwscNlXxOEt4jUe62RoZarhNqWQMwJU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 19, 2005 The Standard http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Metro/GH19Ak09.html by Albert Wong Lantau, China -- Fish farmer seeks judicial review of `irrational' payout for damage caused by theme park construction A fish farmer is challenging the government over the amount of compensation she was awarded for marine pollution caused by the construction of Disneyland at Penny's Bay on Lantau. In an application for a judicial review in the High Court Thursday, Leung Suk-lin of Lamma Island claims that the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department had failed to appreciate "the fundamental purpose of the compensation scheme," which was to refund possible loss of earnings based on the size of her fish farm in the past, and not between 2000 and 2002 when a "raft" was taken away for repairs. She alleges that the department had measured the size of her farm based on the area covered by rafts in March 2001 - when 1 of the rafts had been removed on the department's orders for repairs. She claims that the farm's size would have been doubled had the raft not been removed. The plaintiff alleges that when she wrote to the department's appeals board to explain the case, her appeal was dismissed without sufficient regard. A sum of HK$498,998, based on 595.52 sq-mt, was awarded in July 2001, but Leung claims the compensation should have been based on her maximum licensed area of 1,194 sq-mt. She said that she had been paying license fees for 1,194 sq-mt all along. Leung is seeking to quash the original decision and the dismissal of her appeal, and have the department re-assess the amount of compensation she should receive. According to the writ, "in or about 2000," construction work on the Disneyland theme park aggravated marine pollution "in adjacent sea areas which threatened the viability of marine fish culture" at Sok Kwu Wan, Lo Tik Wan and Ma Wan. In 2000, the government, through the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department and the Lands Department, agreed to compensate fish farmers in those areas. But the compensation "would be based on either the fish culture raft area authorized by the license or the area of the fish culture [rafts] measured on site, whichever was the less." The writ claims this "criteria" does not translate the possible loss of earnings, and does not conform with the "fundamental purpose" of compensation. "No government source has so far explained how these criteria were arrived at or where they are authoritatively stated," the writ claims. Leung applied for compensation in February 2001, and inspectors from the 2 departments measured her raft area at Lo Tik Wan in March that year. They determined it to be 595.52 sq-mt. She wrote back to the authorities in May saying that, shortly after those measurements were made, the other raft had returned after being repaired. Consequently, another measurement was made, determining the total raft area at 1,207.6 sq-mt. But when she was informed of the compensation she was to receive in July 2001, it appeared that her farm area had been determined at 595.52 sq-mt. The Fishermen's Claims Appeals Board - another respondent named in the writ - heard Leung's appeal more than a year later, in November 2002, but dismissed her arguments, saying "according to the records," her farm size was 595.52 sq-mt. In May, 2003, the Joint Committee of Hong Kong Fishermen's Organizations wrote to the appeal board further elaborating the reasons for her decreased farm size at the time it was measured, but it was told that the "decisions were final," the writ claims. Leung's application for a judicial review is based on the belief that it is irrational and unreasonable for the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department to determine her farm's area on measurements made when it had been reduced by about half. The appeal board also "failed to recognize the reason" for the decreased size, even though another measurement had been made determining its full potential after Leung had told the department about the return of the raft. The 2 departments had failed to recognize the "fundamental purpose" of compensation, the writ claims. ------------- Copyright 2005, The Standard, Sing Tao Newspaper Group and Global China Group From mosspier@insightbb.com Thu Aug 18 15:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: msgr.nvzwo4q-RollerCoasterTalk=yahoogroups.com@returns.bulk.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15475 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 22:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2005 22:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 22:35:04 -0000 Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 22:33:35 -0000 X-yahoo-newman-property: msgr X-yahoo-newman-id: null Received: from [216.155.194.176] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 22:33:35 -0000 Date: 18 Aug 2005 15:33:35 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by ft1.msg.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2005 22:33:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: mosspier@insightbb.com Reply-To: mosspier@insightbb.com Subject: Join Michael Moss on Yahoo! 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Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 18 18:31:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58932 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B289A70 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D7AD5E4-5F3C-4DCE-93AD-8239A346FA66@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:31:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Pictures from Hersheypark - 1978 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=1UjqSREFKS5nE2XxtCy-b4DgzPLK34t9xQndDu6NVAIx6qd- X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, Duncan has scanned in his photos of Comet and Sooper Dooper Looper at Hersheypark from 1978: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/hersheypark_1978/ Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 18 19:58:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69045 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 02:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 02:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 02:58:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:57:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200508181957.AA308674738@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Rich Boehmer" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Mystic Connecticut X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=vTbFOSXks2ntcHhKIDRURO-JCjWUAPgKYzH4fkYjXbhtaH_x4Utb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen wanted to do something a little different for an excursion, so on a beautiful, sunny and mild August 18th we drove two hours south for our first trip to Mystic, Connecticut. Our first stop was the Mystic Aquarium. It was extremely easy to find; the highway exit emptied into its parking lot. We arrived at about 9:30 in the morning and the parking lot had very few cars in it. The building was brash and colorful, with lots of purple and blue and oddly-shaped walls, some angular and some cylindrical. We parked in front of the entrance, which featured a sort of radiating semi-circular canopy of metal trusses above the ticket booths. I realized at that point I had left my camera at home. In a way it was good, because otherwise I would have spent all my time snapping pictures. Instead I just relaxed with Karen and enjoyed the sights. I thought the entry fee was a bit steep ($19.95), but Karen had her Big Y Supermarket card which got each of us $2 off. We could hear the booming amplified voice of a female trainer in the distance working with whales. We walked onto the circular entryway. It didn't look like there was much to the place. To our extreme left was a gift shop and the small Waterfront Cafe, which was completely empty. Next to that was a large shallow rectangular pool. At the back of the pool was a mock-up of the bow of a large ship, and sitting on the bow was one of Robert Ballard's deep sea exploration subs, a large white bubble that looked like a pod from Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey." Behind that was a raised platform with stairs on either side and a large sign that read, "Challenge of the Deep." In front of us was an information booth, and beyond that was a small white tent with the sign, "Ray Touch Pool." To the right of that was a walkway that led to the darkened entrance of a very large building. To our right was what appeared to be a sparklingly clear manmade lake, with many levels of rock and waterfalls. The rock (poured concrete, I assume) was formed into arches, so we couldn't see the whole lake from where we were. As we stared at our map, it was evident that this wasn't just an aquarium in the conventional sense. It was a sizeable park that happened to have some aquariums in it. There were basically eight zones. To our left was the Challenge of the Deep. In front of us in the big building were the Sunlit Seas and the Marine Theater. The lake to our right was the Alaskan Coast. Beyond that out of view were the Marsh Walk, Pribilof Islands and the Roger Tory Peterson Penguin Exhibit. There were also the Seal Rescue Clinic and the Aquatic Animal Study Center, which weren't open to the public. We began our exploration with the Ray Touch Pond, the four-foot-deep long rectangular pool in front of us under the white tent. Several families were gathered around it. The bottom of the pool was filled with fine sand. About a dozen cow-nosed rays were swimming gracefully, their dark grayish-brown backs starkly contrasting with the white sand. They averaged probably one-and-a-half feet wide. A park employee wearing a headset microphone asked for questions from the onlookers and answered them, usually beginning with, "Good question!" This was one thing that struck me all through our visit: every employee was exceptionally knowledgeable and friendly. Any question I asked was answered cheerfully and confidently. I really got the sense that the Mystic Aquarium staff was extremely well-trained not only in marine biology, but in public relations as well. The woman at the ray pool told us not to splash or reach for the rays, but to simply place our hands on the surface of the water. The animals were very curious, and would come to see what was there. (These rays couldn't sting.) So Karen did as she was told, and sure enough one of the rays swam right over to her palm and she petted its back. It swam off and soon another approached, its long whip-like tail trailing behind. We walked over to the lake. There were thick plexiglass walls between the rock structures which allowed a view into the water. In the middle of the lake, a large white creature arched up out of the water and then plunged back in. There were three large baby beluga whales frolicking around. The lake had different levels and three containment areas toward the back, which all had opened gates so the whales could freely swim about. We watched them for a while, amazed at how fluid their movements were for creatures that large. Then we headed into the Sunlit Seas building. It couldn't have had a more ironic name. We opened the door and seemed to be greeted by total darkness. As our eyes adjusted, we could see we were standing in a sort of square foyer in the middle of which was a large cylindrical plexiglass tank containing several small transluscent pink jellyfish illuminated by blacklights. It was a really eerie sight, watching the diaphonous creatures undulate past each other. To our left, the foyer opened up into a large exhibit hall. I was amazed how vast it was. It was almost as dimly illuminated as the foyer. Along the curving walls were dozens upon dozens of display cases with live exhibits ranging from catfish to coral, from iguanas to fruit bats. Every display featured extensive accompanying text explaining what we were looking at. There were many sections that offered blatant messages of preservation and conservation. We got to pet a baby alligator. We stared in amazement at a massive central display featuring a wide assortment of colorful coral reef life, from sea anemonea to starfish. One tank in particular attracted multitudes of kids who shouted, "There's Nemo! There's Dory!" One large display featured a school of piranha. Most of them were floating completely still. There was a section that had a floor-to-ceiling concave plexiglass wall. Karen and I walked over to it. A piranha was inches from our faces, floating there silently. We felt like we were standing underwater with the fish. We spent close to an hour just walking through that one building. It was fascinating. We eventually walked out the building's side door, next to an ice cream parlor. I got a root beer float and Karen got a waffle cone. We could hear the beluga whale show starting again, so we walked back over to the lakeside. For an extra $20, guests could don wetsuits and stand with the trainers in the water, learning how to make the whales do tricks. The whales acted much like dolphins, spinning around and jumping on command. What I found more impressive was the range of expressive sounds the whales had (all eminating from their blow-hole). The commentator said that the beluga was the "canary of the sea." At times, they sounded more like foghorns. But you could almost tell what the whales' attitudes were by the sounds they made. Next we strolled along the Marsh Walk, a nicely landscaped baordwalk at the back of the park that meanders among cattails. A few ducks were floating about. The area was peaceful but seemed unfinished. The Marsh Walk eventually brought us to the Penguin Exhibit. This was the newest area of the park. It was a modest sized pool with rock outcroppings. within it, about a dozen small cute penguins were splashing about. Once again the staff member was very friendly and knowledgeable. With the penguins literally inches from us, with just the lip of the tank between them and the guests, the staff member had to keep warning kids to keep their hands out of the pool because the penguins would bite them. There probably should have been signs to warn people. We moved on toward the Pribilof Island section. There were two large pools containing sea lions lazily swimming about or sunning themselves. We watched them for a while and continued following the path we were on. It led past a deserted rock wall and down to the other side of the beluga lake. This section looked like the edge of a beach. Large dead trees were piled up where water lapped at the shore. It probably was an entry point if equipment had to be brought in to remove the multi-ton whales. The path sloped downward and eventually we were standing in front of a plexiglass wall and looking directly into the lake water, the top of which was level with my head. From seemingly out of nowhere, a bright white male beluga swam right past our faces, inches away. It was an impressive sight. We stood there for quite a while, watching the three whales swimming past us. The final section to explore was Challenge of the Deep. It was a bit confusing; it appeared to be a motion simulator that we had to pay an extra charge for. But the simulator was a separate section. The exhibit itself was included. We easily could have spent several hours in there. It mostly dealt with Robert Ballard's discoveries and the technologies he used. There was an entire complex completely devoted to the Titanic, including an incredibly detailed 18-foot model of the ship. There were four different videos playing about different aspects of the Titanic wreckage discovery. There were mockups of various rooms within the ship. There was a blow-by-blow account of what happened during the ship's final two hours. There were other rooms devoted to other wrecks that had been found, including a Phoenecian ship over two thousand years old. We headed back out into the sunlight. The park had gotten a lot more crowded. It was about 12:30 by that point and we really wanted to see Mystic Seaport as well. I was amazed at how much there was to do at Mystic Aquarium! We reluctantly elbowed our way out through the gift shop. The parking lot looked completely full. We drove across the street. Karen want to explore Old Mystic Village, a collection of quaint shops. They were a more rustic version of a typical outlet mall. Most were crammed with stock images of ships and lighthouses. One specializing in kites was a bit odd. When we walked in, a girl behind the counter greeted us too cheerily and blew bubbles in our face with a toy they were selling. Then a guy behind the counter started loudly lecturing an elderly woman on why she absolutely had to buy the most expensive kite in his store. There was a Christmas shop that feature black Christmas trees for Halloween. (Go figure...) We finally found a little shop that had some interesting items. I bought Karen a beautiful miniature hand-carved wooden piano for $25. Driving out of those shops and getting back on to Route 1 was a bit confusing. But soon we were heading down the street and in a few moments had found the parking area for Mystic Seaport. I had heard about this famous "living museum" but wasn't sure what to expect. I was under the impression it was basically a wharf with a couple of ships. I was surprised to find a Visitor's Center for an entrance. That always meannt one thing: a gate fee. We parked right near the entrance (for free). Sure enough, there was a charge of $17 each to enter the seaport. Luckily, Karen's Big Y card again got us $2 discounts. They placed a bright pink armband on each of our wrists and we walked out onto the dirt path. It really felt like we were back in the 1800s. The buildings were authentic. The boats were authentic. The granite and cobblestone sidewalks were too. There was the faint whiff of burning coal from the Sabino steamboat. The only thing to destroy the illusion was the row of large ugly modern condos across the bay. In front of us was the L.A.Dunton, a tall ship. We boarded it and looked around, viewing the crew quarters below deck. We passed the village commons where there was a demonstration of a rescue from a sinking ship. There were over fifty exhibits, all clearly numbered. Exhibits ranged from the boats to old homes perfectly preserved to a new children's museum. There seemed to be few people walking around, but the seaport area was vast. (It was, after all, a preserved shipyard and village.) Every building had extensive information to go along with it. I found it fascinating. For example, there was a bank made entirely of stone (the only such structure in the village). Inside was a small vault of thick granite. The information mentioned that the stone wasn't to prevent break-ins; it was to sheild against fire. It also mentioned that until the federal goverment standardized money in the 1800s, there were about 16,000 different types of currency in use in the U.S. We walked from one building into another, from churches to apothecaries. Each one was as fascinating as the next. Unfortunately, the staff inside the buildings didn't seem nearly as knowledgeable as those at Mystic Aquarium. My favorite building was the Nautical Instrument Shop, which was filled with dozens of ancient working clocks and navigating tools. When I asked some questions about some of the equipment, the woman opened a manual and simply read it to me. Some of the clocks were amazing. One had wooden gears and was still keeping time. The woman said the clocks were being maintained by a 90-year-old man, and she's afraid that when he no longer can do it, all of the clocks will cease to work. That would be a tremendous loss. We explored a large whaling ship, the Charles W. Morgan (built in 1841). Karen marvelled at the stacked bunk beds, which seemed too small to hold a person. We gaped at the amazing wood carvings in the Figureheads Exhibit. There was a large scale model of the entire seaport. After nearly three hours our feet were wearing out, and we had only covered 1/3 of the exhibits. A vendor was selling fresh-squeezed lemonade, so we each got one. They used an old metal lemon press and squeezed the lemon juice into our cups. It was really tart and delicious! After about three hours, though, we were exhausted from all the walking we had done. Karen and I didn't want to go, but we knew we wouldn't hold up much longer. Both the Aquarium and the Seaport tickets allowed a return visit on the next day, which was a really good deal. Unfortunately that wasn't an option for us. But our money was certainly well-spent, and we'll definitely return some other day. I highly recommend a trip to Mystic. I never realized that marine biology or history could be so much fun! ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 03:18:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96344 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 10:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 10:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 10:18:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 10:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 10:18:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:18:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508181957.AA308674738@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Mystic Connecticut X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CXjHDhpBjihav5VnE0X48lMvVaFT7tfbxX7MS0X7AJ9izW_BTw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Karen wanted to do something a little different for an excursion, Wow! I lived in Massachusetts 19 years, growing up, and while I have heard of Mystic Seaport, you make it sound fantastic! Maybe next time I visit my parents, I'll take the wife down there myself. Great report, Jay! Chris B P.S. Definitely different for this board, but I'm just glad you and Karen can still have fun. CB From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 04:30:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33324 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 11:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 11:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 11:30:43 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E6557-0004Sg-FE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4305C2E1.7010403@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:30:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508181957.AA308674738@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: <200508181957.AA308674738@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4a2b814aa57c181f68ec15413dc1491734350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Mystic Connecticut X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=oIGt0pgmE74PkvQUPafKQQEOUgxkEN32HUrgrvj_LSL_pDg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I also wanted to follow up in agreement with the "great TR" Jay. While we might be "coasters", for me at least it's always fun reading about all sorts of other places to visit. One of the things I love about the "coaster trips" I've been on is trying to catch several of the other things around to see. And we almost always have a membership to the local science museum, zoo, aquarium, or something like that allowing us to visit other places. It's been more than worth it to us. Which, on an off topic basis, I've heard our local science museum is now making national headlines with the controversy over the "Bodies" exhibit that it opening up. Still haven't decided what I think about it. In any case, thanks again for the great TR Jay. It definitly sounds like an aquarium I want to get up to and visit at some point. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 11:47:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79585 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E6Bty-0001cy-Ag for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: <43062948.5070508@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:47:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4a87f2e2b4457c758fce3a6a33cc974ab0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Man sues Dollywood... says roller coaster caused brain damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bYw8Mc8lPcBtrxf8lm4qjMct3-afje4OcZOmZv8AZBnSxsg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash childswilliam wrote: > You may be right (in fact, I expect you are), but I don't think there's > anywhere enough > information out there to come to that conclusion. The best point is > that the ride is mild > and slow, but that ride inspection report may well point out some > problem we don't have > the expertise to recognize. (I doubt it -- but I'm just pointing it out.) Bill, just wanted to say thanks. There I went again spouting off about something that I really don't know much about and making a royal twit of myself. Thanks for the nice reminders to follow my own advice and learn what the heck I'm talking about before I start talking. And even then, it's better to just keep quiet a heck of a lot of the time. :) In any case, it should be interesting to see how this turns out. Are you going to keep us updated on what happens with it? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Fri Aug 19 12:48:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93306 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.bb.5deaf13d (3842) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:48:48 EDT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: News: Water Park Closes After Hundreds Fall Ill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=zp2wOxCmiLFnRvIh1Q7HYKIIN2jC7TUhDoZN4vbt7qzx24g7Rn2G X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click or copy/paste think below: _http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050819014109990004_ (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050819014109990004) Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Aug 19 15:13:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50722 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 22:13:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 22:13:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2005 22:13:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:13:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43062948.5070508@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.5.179 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Man sues Dollywood... says roller coaster caused brain damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=HzEdHsWeZjqsyZajICsA0KI8fCB5HA5FcTGeJ7RgCHN3QUmixD32qw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > Bill, just wanted to say thanks. There I went again spouting off about > something that I really don't know much about and making a royal twit of > myself. Thanks for the nice reminders to follow my own advice and learn > what the heck I'm talking about before I start talking. And even then, > it's better to just keep quiet a heck of a lot of the time. :) You know plenty to make some comments, especially about what the forces are or aren't like on the ride, and I hope I wasn't too obnoxious. Like I said, I suspect you're right about the quality of the suit. > > In any case, it should be interesting to see how this turns out. Are > you going to keep us updated on what happens with it? I'll certainly at least follow it on masstort.org, and will try to post updates here as well. Bill From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 19 17:10:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82415 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 00:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 00:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 00:10:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:10:09 -0700 Message-Id: <200508191710.AA554565710@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: Mystic Connecticut X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=6P6rJ5JAS4BbqSyxCDZ8wBcWWHGYXOgd4YUMLQp-Bt66-ixzbdHt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >In any case, thanks again for the great TR Jay. < You're welcome! Thanks for the encouraging feedback. There was one part of the trip I forgot to include. (I wrote it about 10:00 at night.) And it was the closest to "amusement park" that we got on our trip. Before we had supper, I got curious about a listing I saw for the "Mystic Carousel and Fun Center." I added this to the revised TR that I posted at karenandjay.com: It was just on the north side of Route 95, a big non-descript yellow building. There were only a couple of cars in the parking lot. I knew at that point that we wouldn't find a classic wooden merry-go-round. We pulled open the front door and walked through a cramped, cluttered hallway. I could hear a recording of a band organ, one of the same Wurlitzer rolls used on the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round. We passed by a darkened room on the left that had a long table with party hats on it. On the right looked like a cheap novelty shop. The hallway opened up onto a large space. To the right was the carousel, which appeared to be a standard Chance portable fiberglass model. It looked a bit too cramped where it was. In front of us was a small circular tracked kiddie ride themed with pigs. Beyond that was a "maze," a small plastic playscape for kids. Karen and I simply turned around and walked out. That was the only disappointment on the trip. (Well, that and the really grungy Friendly's Restaurant we ate at.) Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Sat Aug 20 08:38:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61537 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 15:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 15:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 15:38:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 15:37:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 15:37:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:37:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.144.198.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: RUMOR: La Ronde 2006 - Announcement expected in October X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=Z5pxbRDKGbx3ajrWVpjDZud5eZ2cnccOUEe-H3mmaNE_J73fatM X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred La Presse, the largest Montreal-based newspaper, published Friday an=20 article about the Dan Snyder's tender offer on Six Flags. Anne-Marie=20 Desautels, in charge of La Ronde's PR service, said that the amount of=20 money that Six Flags is going to invest in La Ronde next year will be=20 announced in October. "=C0 La Ronde, "les affaires continuent comme si=20 de rien n'=E9tait" a d=E9clar=E9 la porte-parole, Anne-Marie Desautels. Su= r=20 son programme d'investissement de 90 millions =E0 La Ronde, Six Flags en=20 a jusqu'ici r=E9alis=E9 55 millions. La part =E0 investir l'an prochain do= it=20 =EAtre annonc=E9e en octobre, selon elle." (La Presse Affaires, Friday=20 August 19, p. 3.) Usually, La Ronde announces his annual projects in February or March.=20=20 This new piece of information may be considered as a sign that a major=20 new attraction is going to be built. One week ago, construction=20 markings have appeared on back side of the park. Fr=E9d=E9rick From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Aug 21 18:23:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30366 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 01:23:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:23:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200508211823.AA813236466@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: RUMOR: La Ronde 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=xb3iMWZfp5xoI4whXmYdQOEQCho4u-NaR5yk1NkJsgKVpzKBtQlg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > One week ago, construction markings have appeared on back side of the park. < This is good news. The park has so much potential but had been neglected for so long. Maybe next year I'll have to plan a trip out there. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Aug 21 18:26:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95296 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 01:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 01:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 01:26:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:26:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200508211826.AA658964756@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Lake Compounce, 8-19-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=3w5tntUdwvN6jv9fAmGTA4JhfRD-HJ55kiqudlI9cw2y0MP0RRxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme As usual, I've posted accompanying pics on our website. > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/lc805/lc805.html < ===== On a blistering hot and humid Sunday, Karen and I made our first trip to Lake Compounce for this season. At this late stage of the summer, it would probably be our only trip there. The parking lot was surprisingly full when we arrived at about 12:30. As we made the long walk from the parking lot to the entrance, we noticed some banners advertising the park's newest addition, Anchor Bay, a lazy river ride. This was probably the most appropriate use of Garfield that the park has had. I've never really understood why Kennywood Corporation wanted Garfield as a mascot. The cat is a lazy, thieving, conniving character with very few redeeming qualities. It's certainly not as cuddly as Snoopy and not as heroic or exciting as Superman. It's sort of like having Crankshaft as a park mascot. We walked through the tunnel under Lake Avenue. The park seemed to have gotten a really good deal on some new plastic trash cans; there were dozens of them lined up haphazardly all over the place. The park entrance was still one of the prettiest I've ever seen, with the large ring of flowers around the carousel horse, the folksy clock tower and the lift hill of the Wildcat dominating the view. Splashes of color were everywhere. Stop and Shop wasn't as generous as it had been last year; with our coupon, we only received $4 each off of our entry. Even with that, our total still came to $63 (not including the $5 parking fee), which we both found shocking. I know that the days are long gone when entry used to cost $18 and parking was free. But even so, we were surprised to find this small park creeping close to charging Six Flags prices. Even though the parking lot was filled, the park's Main Street seemed fairly deserted. Karen and I turned right and walked into the Yankee Emporium gift shop. We used to find all sorts of fun gifts there. But over the past few years, the gift shops in the park had grown more generic. That trend continued. There was one new colorful T-shirt, but most everything else in the store could have been bought at a novelty shop. Even though the store had an air conditioner, for some reason the two front doors were kept open so that the store was as hot as the midway. We strolled up past Circus World (the park's colorful kiddieland), past the Zoomerang coaster and the giant waterfall beneath the Pirate ride, and up the hill to the Saw Mill Plunge. The queue line was about 1/4 full. We didn't mind waiting because it was all shaded from the sun. When we got in line, there seemed to be a bit of confusion. Two lines faced the same direction and sort of collided with each other creating a bottleneck. When we examined the queue, we understood why: the posts and chains were falling apart. One of the guide chains attached to the wall had come off, so guests weren't properly herded into the correct line. Some other guests noticed this as well, and hooked the loose chain around a post so that the line could once again flow properly. I had never seen a queue line in such poor condition, and I was surprised the park hadn't bothered to fix it. The flume ride up through the hillside was refreshing. This has always been one of my favorite Arrow creations. It makes wonderful use of the hilly terrain. Next we walked toward the Giant Wheel. On the way we noticed the backhoe and concrete footings in the empty area that had been occupied by a storytelling show. It was the construction site for the new S & S swing ride, Thunder and Lightning. It looked like it was going to be a tight fit, shoehorned between the wheel and the flume. I wish there had been a better place to show off the ride. Maybe the park wanted more traffic down that end of the midway. We queued up for the Giant Wheel. The ride attendant and operator were extremely chatty and friendly, asking why we weren't in the water park. We answered that we didn't bring our bathing suits. "Oh, we sell them here," was the quick and cheerful reply. There was a refreshing breeze when we boarded the ride. Only two other people had boarded. When we got to the top of the wheel, I could see a long line had formed at Boulder Dash. The crew had just put a second train on the tracks. We went around and around for a few minutes and finally came to a rest back at the station. No one was in line, and the attendant asked us if we wanted to go again. We said sure, and off we went. The wheel was nicely located, affording a great panorama of the whole park. We also got a bird's-eye view of the huge Haunted Graveyard, awaiting its re-awakening in the fall. It was well past lunchtime, and we couldn't wait to taste some of The Lake's delicious pizza. We walked past the Boulder Dash entrance and made a brief stop into the nearby gift shop, hoping to find some new and interesting memorablilia. But again we were disappointed. I used to like the old Coaster Corner near the Wildcat; it always had great souvenirs. But that place was converted into a grill. So we walked by Down Time, the colorful S & S drop tower, which had no line. We passed the recently-relocated carousel, which still looked great. It's organ was loudly and merrily playing the theme to "Welcome Back, Kotter." We tuned left and saw where all the people were. Clipper Cove, the children's water play area, and Splash Harbor were packed. But luckily there was no one in line at Harborside Pizza. Karen paused for a photo with a friend. Then we walked over to a weary attendant who told us he had just fullfilled five orders for whole cheese pizzas in five minutes. Karen and I each ordered a slice. We each got our free soft drinks and turned to look for a place to sit. Then it struck us: the entire section of midway we were standing in was completely different. Where before we used to simply walk down to the edge of the lake, now the way was blocked by Anchor Bay. The Karen noticed the old Crok Pot restaurant to our right. It was the oldest structure in the park, the former ballroom. And it had been given a complete makeover and looked stunning. The deck was greatly expanded and a gazebo was added. The flooring was all composite wood, so it wouldn't rot. The amazing thing was how the park kept the 1800s look of the building while modernizing it. We climbed the stairs up to the deck and sat down to eat. It was then we could see the size of the lazy river. It completely occupied the area that used to be the Harborside Stage and the miniature golf course. We didn't mind too much that the stage was gone; the acts there were almost always second rate. But The Lake's mini-golf course was a lot of fun and really funky.. There are so few of those home-made courses left at parks. It was sad to see yet another one vanish. At least the park did a nice job landscaping around the river. Anchor Bay turned around near the Trolley station. At that location, the park had added a sizeable waterslide and a waterfall that dumped into the lazy river. It was a pretty impressive sight. One thing we thought strange was that the floatation tubes were all clear vinyl. It created an interesting effect, as if people were just floating without anything under them. The pizza was quite delicious. We took a walk down the prehistoric path alongside Boulder Dash's return track. The wood was looking grey and dry. The trains made a loud rattling as they sped by, as if they were running over bumps in the track. Swan boats were floating gracefully on the lake. At that point in the day, the temperature was in the mid-90s with high humidity. We were ready for some serious cooling off. So we walked over to Thunder Rapids. There were quite a few people lined up for it. There were also an unusually large number of line jumpers. But eventually we were seated in a full raft. By the end of it, someone might as well have thrown me into Anchor Bay. I was completely drenched from head to toe. Karen didn't get quite as wet. But it was a great way to lower our body temperature. We slogged out of that queue line and headed over for our usual spot to dry off, the Sky Ride. I had never seen this ride so busy. Every other seat was filled. Given the enormous length of the ride, that was astounding. We were quickly seated and were pulled up the steep incline. When this ride was new, there was an obvious path that had been made down the mountain. It had crushed stone for a path and wooden steps in places. On this ride we noticed that everything was becoming overgrown. The steps had rotted out and most of the path had washed away. There was a warning at the ride's entrance, that if the ride malfunctioned you had to be in good enough shape to walk down the mountainside. But where would you walk now? There appeared to be no easy way to navigate through the dense growth. We enjoyed the relaxing trip. As always, the view from the top was stunning. But baking in the sun for a half-hour, even if it did help us dry off a bit, wore us out. We got off the ride and walked back toward the Crok Pot. The old Trolley was keeping busy carrying multitudes of passengers who didn't want to walk down the crowded path. Across the other side of the lake, Splash Harbor was still doing a booming business. We walked underneath the ballroom and over to the Bavarian Nut stand. I got some cashews and Karen got some fresh pecans. Then we walked up into the Starlight Theatre (the ballroom) to see the musical revue Jump, Jive and Swing. It had already started when we walked in. We were pleasantly surprised to find that the park installed air conditioning in the theater. Heavy red curtains blocked out light from the windows along the sides of the building. Four peppy kids were on the small stage, surrounded by an arch of white stars and flashing lights. They were running through a set of standard swing numbers (such as "Jump, Jive and Wail"), and I do mean running. The choreography looked like it had been done by an aerobics teacher who had a failed ambition to be a cheerleader. Some of the performers (who all sang along with a recording) were so woefully off-pitch that it was painful. Other performers weren't even singing; they were lip-synching. It was obvious because their mouths didn't match up with what was being sung. Mercifully, the performance lasted only 15 minutes. Unfortunately, though, that meant we had to go back out into the heat. The one slice of pizza and the nuts hadn't filled us up. We headed for the ol' Potato Patch. Karen got some cheese fries, and I got fries with garlic and herb seasoning. We sat down at a table over by the Wave Swinger. The fries were okay, but tasted as if they'd been sitting around a while. After that, Karen looked really tired so we called it a day. We headed back out under the tunnel at about 4:30. I glanced over at the employee parking lot as we left. There were the two dozen trailers containing the old Busch Gardens monorail, still sitting there. It was a shame that it would never be rebuilt. The parking lot was such a long walk from the entrance; it would have been a great way to transport guests. Overall we enjoyed our visit, though not as much as in the past. For season passholders, The Lake was still a bargain. But for those without a season pass, the gate price was getting a bit expensive for what the park offers. I couldn't imagine how much further the park could expand. The waterpark attractions seemed extremely popular, but that end of the park was completely filled. Unless they knocked down the Crok Pot and Starlight Theatre (the most historically significant buildings in the park), there would be no room for additional attractions. But if the management wants to keep raising prices, there had better be a lot there to entice guests to return. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 12:15:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20914 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 19:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 19:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 19:15:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:14:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:14:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park ride gets stuck, trapping 9 people X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PzdGE9CqcvIxOwmTY5f_nRrXR-lE1tkYF-VjEznFY10rN-g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 21, 2005 The Japan Times http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050821a7.htm OSAKA (Kyodo), Japan -- A rotating gondola attraction at an amusement park in Suita, Osaka Prefecture, came to a halt Saturday, trapping 9 people for half an hour, park officials and firefighters said. None of the nine appeared to be hurt in the 3:35 p.m. incident at Expoland, according to the firefighters who rescued them from the ride. Called the G-Force, the ride features gondola cars that ascend as high as 14 meters from the ground and then rotate. It can hold 40 people. According to police and rescue officials, the gondola stopped in a virtually horizontal position about 9.7 meters from the ground. The ride became operational again as the rescuers were working to help the trapped riders. Police said they suspect the ride's safety mechanism kicked in because the 9 people were positioned so that the gondola was out of balance. ---------- Copywrite: The Japan Times Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 12:39:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54922 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 19:39:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:39:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:39:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 9607 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement is serious for plain-spoken CEO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3anSitiK2N9zxbwBKgaTBgzcH8M5oWM4O6kQ4FxcU5Hhil4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 21, 2005 Toledo Blade http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050821/BUSINESS03/508200338 By GARY T. PAKULSKI SANDUSKY, OH -- Mulling over what to do about a dud of a roller=20 coaster named "Avalanche Run" in his 4th year as Cedar Point CEO,=20 Richard Kinzel decided to go Disney. Burning through $4 million in cash, the amusement park created a=20 Disney-like theme - a calamitous mission to Mars - inside a building=20 erected around the ride. When the coaster, named Disaster Transport, made its debut in the=20 spring of 1990, riders were unimpressed. " ... We had a dog ride in a=20 garage," Mr. Kinzel recalled with a hearty laugh in a recent=20 interview. "That ended my theming." Nearing his 20th -and second to last - season as head of parent=20 company Cedar Fair LP, Mr. Kinzel is not afraid to discuss=20 missteps. "If everything in general is successful you can laugh at=20 your mistakes," philosophized the amusement park chief, who is a=20 product of Toledo's Catholic school system. At 65, he has spent most of his working life at CP. He and his wife,=20 Judy, live just outside the park entrance in a home built on the Lake=20 Erie peninsula on lots purchased from CF in the mid-1980s. Although 2005 has not been without headaches, Kinzel has assembled a=20 healthy string of accomplishments over the past 2 decades. Under him since 1986, CF has gone from a pair of regional amusement=20 parks to a $542 million empire. Its dozen parks stretch across the US=20 from the east to the doorstep of Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom, which=20 in the 1950s gave birth to a new style of amusement park that once=20 threatened to snuff out traditional ride parks like CP. Knott's Berry=20 Farm, in Buena Park, Calif., near Disneyland, was acquired by CF in=20 1997. With a series of ever higher coasters, the Ohio firm helped define a=20 new category called thrill parks. In 2003 CP broke through the 400'=20 threshold with Top Thrill Dragster, which reaches 420' and top speeds=20 of 120 mph. Meanwhile, the firm's publicly traded partnership units have paid=20 owners a steady 5-6% annually for years. In some ways, the CEO is a study in contradictions. He marvels at the advanced technology that propels the park's 68=20 coasters and other rides but has never used an automatic teller=20 machine. His musical tastes lean toward the Beach Boys, but he is=20 clearly mesmerized watching a young rock act pump out a version of=20 the Van Halen cover tune "Jump" in a Western-themed saloon where can- can girls once danced. And although he helps others enjoy their summer vacations, he has=20 never taken one. (To be fair, however, an Eastertime trip to Florida=20 or another warm place is a family tradition). Strolling the grounds of CP on a recent weekday, the CEO stooped down=20 to pick up wrappers and a cigarette butt. As he talked about the=20 amusement park business, he was forced to speak above the park's=20 roar - screeching steel and coaster riders blending nearly=20 indistinguishably. "We leave theming to Disney," he said. "It's very,=20 very expensive. We can't justify it, being a seasonal operation. Our=20 theming is the ride itself. You walk under the ride. As you enter the=20 park, you see the ride in operation." He and other company officials are struggling to identify the reason=20 for a 4% drop in attendance, through July 31, at the firm's flagship=20 park. Overall attendance at CF's 7 amusement parks and 5 water parks,=20 which attract about 12.5 million visitors annually, was down 2%.=20 Weather was a problem in some places. But that is not the case here, where skies have been sunny. The=20 decline in CP attendance follows a 4% weather-related drop last year,=20 when 3.2 million people passed through the turnstiles. (Attendance=20 peaked at 3.6 million in 1994). Last year, profits slipped 10% to $78 million on higher revenues of=20 $542 million. Kinzel flatly rejects the suggestion that middle-aged and older=20 people are staying away because of the park's emphasis on coasters=20 and other thrill rides. "Even though a lot of our marketing dollars=20 are directed toward the thrill market we still have a variety of=20 shows and filler rides and round rides anyone can enjoy," he=20 said. "The landscaping and live shows are fantastic." Still, marketing is aimed at people 12-32 y.o., and park officials=20 make little attempt to go after the senior market on the belief that=20 most elderly people stay away because of the amount of walking=20 involved. The struggling economies of the park's prime markets, which include=20 Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana, are believed to be major factors. Although up to now officials have discounted the impact of rising=20 gasoline prices, a new survey suggests they may be more important=20 than initially believed. When queried by an outside firm, 15% of=20 respondents in Detroit and Indianapolis - key markets for CP - who=20 hadn't visited a park this year cited fuel prices. The top response, however, was "no money" followed by "family=20 reasons." In the past, CP touted itself to investors as "recession proof,"=20 saying that in tough times, people forgo vacations to distant=20 locations in favor of nearby attractions. But that hasn't proven true this year, Kinzel acknowledged. Still,=20 said he doesn't believe prices are too high. Although admission for=20 adults and most grade-schoolers is $45, parking is an additional $9,=20 and a snack as simple as a soft pretzel is nearly $4, he said prices=20 are on par with those of rivals. Among other problems this year is CF's $145 million-plus investment=20 in Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom, southeast of Cleveland. The firm=20 bought the attraction last year after a failed attempt by Six Flags=20 Inc. to merge a traditional 19th-century amusement park and an=20 adjoining animal park known as Sea World. CF closed the animal park and opened a new water park in its place=20 last year. Still, the property has been a drag on profits. Kinzel is not ready to concede defeat, however, saying, "The mistake=20 there is that I overestimated ... how quickly we could turn it=20 around." CP continues to experience problems with the $25 million Top Thrill=20 Dragster. It has had all-day shutdowns 6 times this year, compared=20 with 10 times in 2004, spokesman Robin Innes said. The coaster was down for several hours the day a Blade reporter=20 visited. Spotting Kinzel touring the grounds, a young man commented to a=20 friend in a stage whisper that was more of a stage scream: "The=20 Dragster would be great if it worked!" "I hear you," the CF CEO replied good-naturedly. Rick Munarriz, a CF shareowner and analyst for the Web-based=20 investment advice site Motley Fool, praises the longtime CEO. "He's=20 about as good as it gets in the amusement park business," Mr.=20 Munarriz said. "You have to admire someone who started out as a lowly=20 seasonal hire and worked his way up the chain." Still, he said the normally well-run company stumbled this year. The=20 firm's focus on affiliated developments like Castaway Bay, an indoor=20 water park in Sandusky, appears to have distracted executives from=20 what should be their core mission: attracting park visitors. Kinzel grew up in the Willys Parkway area of west Toledo as the son=20 of a bar proprietor. He graduated from Central Catholic High School=20 in 1958. He joined CP in 1972 as a food supervisor after working 10 years as a=20 manager with Toledo's Canteen Service Co. After 15 years at CP and Valleyfair in Minnesota, he was named head=20 of the parent company in 1986. He assumed the additional title of chairman in 2003. Despite CP's=20 attendance problems, he predicts sales and profit will rise this year. Factors include strong performance by the firm's water parks,=20 increased spending on food and games by amusement park visitors, and=20 the success of affiliated restaurants and motels, especially Castaway=20 Bay. Securities filings show that he owns 1.9 million shares of CF, which=20 trades on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker FUN. At last=20 week's price of about $31 a share, the value of his holdings would be=20 $59 million. In 2004, he was paid $1.3 million in salary and bonus, according to=20 securities filings. As CF has grown, Kinzel's management style has changed. Day-to-day=20 management is now overseen by Jack Falfas, appointed to the newly=20 created position of COO on April 4. Falfas, who is Kinzel's heir apparent, was formerly director of West=20 Coast operations. Kinzel said he still enjoys riding the park's coasters, but concedes=20 that his stomach will no longer tolerate spinning rides. He calls himself a "hands-on" manager but adds: "I concentrate my=20 efforts on where the problem is and if there is no problem I stay out=20 of their hair." He is working 7 days a week now. But with the 2005 season winding down, so will the pace of daily=20 activity at CP, especially with the gradual departure of 5,000=20 seasonal employees. After Labor Day, the park is open on weekends only through=20 Halloween. "The nice thing about this business is that Labor Day=20 comes," Kinzel said. "And when Labor Day comes, you know the next day you can take off. It=20 stops. It's the end of the season and nothing's going to change it." He is scheduled to retire in January, 2008 but will stay on as non- executive chairman for a time. After retirement, he will spend time at his condo in Naples, Fla.,=20 but won't move there permanently because he & his wife want to stay=20 close to their 4 children and 7 grandchildren. "I'm not sure what I'm=20 going to do, but I'm going to join Jimmy Buffett and we're going to=20 look for our lost shaker of salt," he mused. ------------ =A9 2005 The Blade From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 12:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7875 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 19:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 19:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 19:48:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2005 19:48:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:48:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Performer injured as Great Adventure not seriously hurt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=O1H7jPjnXI9qL-DiQwaoWWk_lRqPIpA7IaMybajvXHHAIrs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/19/05 Asbury Park Press http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20050819/NEWS/50819012 BY JOSEPH PICARD JACKSON, NJ -- A performer injured at a water show last night at Six=20 Flags Great Adventure amusement park was not seriously hurt,=20 according to park and water show officials. Ann-Marie Elia, 32, of Reseda, Calif., was treated and released=20 yesterday from CentraState Medical Center in Freehold Township, after=20 being struck by a personal watercraft while performing a stunt on=20 another personal watercraft. "She was a little shaken up, no serious=20 injury, no broken bones," said Duane Howe, spokesman for Mirage=20 Entertainment, the California-based company presenting the "Water Ski=20 Show" at the amusement park. "The show goes on," Howe said today afternoon. "We've already had 2=20 shows today, with someone filling in for Ann-Marie. She will sit out=20 for 4 or 5 days. But she's fine and will be back." ---------- =A9 2005 Asbury Park Press From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 22 15:40:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29923 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 22:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 22:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 22:40:43 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E7KyA-0002uN-K0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <430A546E.4020204@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:40:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4a6eb5ed5594f7aeeb358f73be8a730efb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=iai_CKQmCbBVgHWK7xELtRtZebGW53_TrVx5M6KWh1wF3i0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else reply to this yet. So let me give what little bit of advice I can. I havent' done the Disney parks here yet (expect to shell out a heck of a lot of money to do that) but I've done the others in your list, so I'll comment as I'm able to there. daniel_roachus wrote: > > How long do you think I'll need to do all the big thrill rides in the > parks? I was thinking of: Are you only looking to do the major rides, or are you wanting to really experience the parks. They are very different things, especially with the Orlando area parks. For example, Sea World only has Journey to Atlantis, Kraken, and if you want to count it, Wild Arctic as rides. They won't take any time at all. But if you want to add in the shows and other things to see and do, then there's a heck of a lot more. Assuming that you want to experience as much of the parks as you can... > > 2 days in busch gardens As much as I love my "home" park, I'm not sure if you'll want 2 full days at BGT. But that really depends on how much time you want to take to really see the animals. If you decide to take the Serengetti Safari (an hour driving on the Velt seeing the animals up close and feeding some) and things like that, then 2 days will work well. But if you're looking to gloss over the animals and focus on the rides and maybe a show or two, then 1 day will probably do it- at least if you're there at opening and stay the whole day. Lines in March are short so waits shouldn't be a problem. So even though it's a big park, you can hit everything ride wise in a day fairly easily that time of year. But it could easily stretch into 2 if you want to spend some time with the animal exhibits. > 1 day in sea world About right. > 2 days in universal islamds > 1 day in universal studios Plan on hopping back and forth between the two. Honestly, about a day in each is enough to cover everything. But I will say, the theming is incredible, especially in IOA. We like to just go and sit and absorb it sometimes. But again, with the time of year, you shouldn't have much of a problem getting in everything that you want to in a day. Especially if you make use of the Express Pass on the few things that might have a line. Be sure to check out the City Pass which will get you into both of these parks, plus Sea World and BGT as much as you want in a week. I'd take a day at each with the tickets, then decide which ones you want to hit again for an extra day or two. > 2 days in disney magic kingdom > 1 day in disney studios > 1 day in animal kingdom > 1 day in epcot The one thing I might add here, based solely on what I've heard, is that Epcot is HUGE. I've had many, many people tell me that it alone is worth 2 days, adn even that might cut it a bit short. But again, that's based only on what I've heard, not what I've experienced. But 4-5 days should be plenty to see everythign in all the parks. Again, spend the extra few dollars and get the hopper pass so that if you do finish in one park early (e.g. Animal Kingdom) you can take the extra time and go back to something else in one of the other parks. It'll be a $15 very well spent to add that to your tickets. > > are the smaller disney parks worth visiting? is it worth squeezing in > a day at cypress gardens? I haven't managed to get out there yet (argh, it's about killing me to), but from your timetable, I would take one of your extra days there (Universal, BGT, etc.) and hit up Cypress Gardens. It's not the huge thrill park that the others are, but everything I've heard about it has been extremely positive. Set your expectations lower, and not for the same kind of park, and I"m sure that you would enjoy it tremendously. And be sure to let me know when you're going to be here. I'll see what I can do about meeting up with you at some point if you're interested. Adn if I'm still working for BGT, might be able to help with some food discounts or something. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 23 01:07:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67510 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 08:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 08:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 08:07:08 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.86.2ec3d5cb (15864) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.nomadix.com (h-67-100-129-138.sttnwaho.covad.net [67.100.129.138]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8430ad91e2b9; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:06:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:06:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050818225224.6562.qmail@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <430AD90A.5000407@aol.com> References: <20050818225224.6562.qmail@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.100.129.138 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: PNE Playland, August 22, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=tpQpQJ4gHtuzK3JYLnAs7CFkkJG9ccoPvsL3hD2Xpwco9E-s_w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo A photo intigrated report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/adogb Great Northwest Coaster Tour Day 1 - August 22, 2005 PNE Playland and Fair Weather: Sunny - Lower 80's Complete Photo Gallery: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/752470 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184787-M.jpg I had decided to join the Coaster Zombies Great Northwest Coaster Tour as an opportunity to visit some parks I might not otherwise ever visit, including PNE Playland, Oaks, and Silverwood among others. This is my first trip to the West Coast, and I am pretty excited about it. I got out a day early so that I could do some hiking and get a little bit of the flavor of the area. I unfortunately through my back out on the trip out, just a muscle pull, so I decided to go light on it and do a little bit of lighter hiking down in the Olympia area. On the way to a local park, Priest Point Park, I stopped at the fantastic state capital building in Olympia and took a few pictures outside. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33052391-M.jpg Then I put in about five miles at the park over some moderate terrain, and enjoyed every minute of it. The trees are just amazing here. They seem to reach to the heavens, many of them straight as an arrow. And the backdrop of snow covered mountains is just awe inspiring. But, enough about that, I am sure most of you want me to get on with the report on the tour. The bus ride was interesting. This was the bus driver's first trip across the border as well. That being the case, she did not know she had to take the bus through the truck lanes at the crossing (and there were no signs saying so either). When she got to the booth, the Canadians had us turn around and head back the the US, which had more then half an hour wait, only to be able to turn around again to get into the correct lanes. With that done, it was a quick ride to PNE. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183452-M.jpg The tour was timed so that we would be at Playland when the Pacific National Exposition was going on, which essentially tripled the size of the park. You would not know it though, as the whole park looks like a fairgrounds. It also added some rides, brought in by West Coast Amusements (WCA). I got into the park and headed for Coaster, only to find it closed, so I hopped on the Crazy Beach Party, a Huss Frisbee. It was being driven, but not very well. When I go off, Tony, who will be my room mate for the week, joined be and we ventured further into the park, where we found WCA Twin Flip, an awesome flat ride. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183565-M.jpg I am not really sure how to describe Twin Flip. Basically, you sit in a car that is on a pivot attached to a pod of four cars, which is then attached to an arm that reaches out from the center. The arm lifts up, the pod spins, and your car also spins, flipping all over the place. It was a blast. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184939-M.jpg Check out the video here: http://www.penncoasters.com/downloads/twinflip.MOV (14MB) We next walked around to the Wild Mouse. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183803-M.jpg I don't know the builder of this ride off hand, but I can say that it looks old. It runs these tinny little cars that are held onto the track y center wheels and a third rail. Operations were painfully slow, but luckily the line was not too long yet (he park had just opened), so within 20 minutes we were on this painful little ride. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183870-M.jpg Next to the mouse was a Break Dance, also being driven. It was not run too badly, we got some nice spinning action. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183955-M.jpg After a quick ride, and then headed over to the Sky Scraper. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33183979-M.jpg The were running a special, two riders for $20. Can't beat that, so e got a ticket and hopped on. I liked this Sky Scraper if only because it had OTSR's, instead of the nylon straps. The girl running it was running it full throttle, which was neat, but because she was not varying the speed, we got very little flipping action. Behind the Sky Scraper was the Corkscrew, a Vakoma that has some extra hills and a helix. It also looked like it was actually a portable ride, as it was sitting on blocks and had large concrete blocks holding it down. We waited about 15 minutes and managed to get a front seat ride (they only let enough people into the station to fill the train). The ride was not too bad, I only got banged a little bit, and the hills produced some decent airtime, especially the first little hill, which really throws you out of your seat. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33185077-M.jpg We decided since the Sky Coaster also had the same special as the Sky Scraper we would get a ride on that as well. It was a small one, only 100 feet tall, but we did some nice swings on it and was worth the ten bucks each. Across the way is a Huss Top Spin, Hell's Gate. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184069-M.jpg I've been on some bad Top Spins, and this one is right near the top of that heap. They were running it on the weakest program imaginable, with just one flip, which was made worse by the breaks being applied when it could have done a few more flips. It also ran a very short cycle. Even the other riders seemed very disappointed in this ride. As we were riding, we saw the Coaster start up. We booked over there, and after a 10 minute wait, we were on the last seat of the ride. This is a vicious little ride in the back. Every hill throws you up into the lapbar violently, knocking the wind out of you. I would ride it later in the day again, this time in the front for a much better ride, but still not a great ride. I will say one thing, the ride is interesting. It has a strangely intriguing layout, a triple out and back with add hills, banked fan turns, and funky long straight away. It also runs these unique old trains, with single bench trailored cars and flanged wheels, making them look much like Prior and Church trains, even though they are not. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184154-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184125-M.jpg After our ride on the Coaster, we headed toward the PNE portion of the park, on the way catching a ride ride on a fantastically run Orbitor, also owned by WCA. I love this ride, fast, with loads of G's. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184269-M.jpg The PNE area is just plain huge, and while this area has no rides, there were a ton of shows, every imaginable food, and even a casino. This I found most interesting. Why bother trying you luck for a stuffed prize, when instead you could try your luck for some cash. They actually had this little game tables all over the park's midway, but here they had the real games, poker, blackjack, baccarat, among others. So got some chips and played some. I actually walked away $10 richer. We continued down the long midway, and upon reaching the end, found more midway spanning in either direction. The midways were lined with booths selling every gizmo and gadget you could ever want. If you have seen it on TV, you were sure to find it here. We headed to the left, finding nothing of much interest. At the end of the midway they had an area set up for street performances, and here they had two Scottish acrobats. We did not linger long, but the little we saw seemed pretty good. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184524-M.jpg Also here was the huge Marketplace building, where inside you could find even more gizmos. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184427-M.jpg We took a quick walk around and headed back down to the other side of the midway where an arena was located. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184589-M.jpg The arena had performing dogs showing, not something I was very interested in, so we headed down next to the arena on a midway that seemed to head back to the park. There we ran into a parade. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184629-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33185328-M.jpg Tony had enough and decided to head toward Coaster for some rides, I wanted to photograph the park a bit more, so I snapped some shots of the very odd looking parade, and worked my way back towards the park, where I did a circuit just photographing, with a ride here and there, and another trip to the casino, where I won $20 more. I walked through a neat display of Lego constructs, including a working coaster with a loop, which was pretty neat. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184797-M.jpg I also ventured into the farm exibite, but just inside the front door where I saw this pair of draft horses, and figured my sisters would kill me if I did not get some photos. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184755-M.jpg They also had a furrier demonstation going on in there with this beautiful horse. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/33184781-M.jpg I also grabbed a ride here and there, as well as got an Emu burger to eat (it was pretty good, very lean, but not bad). Finally I ventured over to the coaster to get one final ride in before leaving the park. The ride back to the hotel was more of the same as the first time around. The driver missed the turn off and we had to turn around and go back into Canada before we could get back into the US. At least there was not a massive line this time. Well, next up should be Enchanted Village and Fantasy Forest. Hope you enjoyed. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 09:04:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87915 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 16:04:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 16:03:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:03:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Theme Parks Will Offer More Peanut Items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gl1J5nwuVWxPwcD8yxRwAoxcH9O-lWHaTeF6_9W_AkB2CjU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 23, 2005 Associated Press WAVY-TV 10 http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3753902&nav=23iiddQk Atlanta, GA -- Agriculture officials estimate this year's domestic peanut harvest at 2.4 million tons. But there's even more good news for Virginia growers - theme park visitors may be chowing down on more peanuts. The National Peanut Board has partnered with Busch Gardens Williamsburg and the SeaWorld Adventure Parks in Orlando, San Diego and San Antonio. The parks will offer peanut-themed attractions and food to amusement park visitors. Busch Entertainment Corporation will introduce peanut-inspired menu items in restaurants and kiosks and play host to the Thrillin' & Grillin' interactive multimedia mobile tour. ----------------- Copyright 2005 Associated Press Copyright 2000 - 2005 WorldNow and WAVY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 09:15:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61948 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 16:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 16:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 16:15:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 16:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 16:15:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:15:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Tweetsie gets reprieve through 2007 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=C2-NCyrEiccHEnWKBgbsOIPlOtiRJirl5MSPLbkJvJ76UAE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/22/2005 Watauga Democrat http://www.wataugademocrat.com/2005/0822web/tweetsiegetsreprieve.php3 By Scott Nicholson Watauga COunty, NC -- Tweetsie Railroad's long-term future is still=20 unsettled, but the theme park between Boone and Blowing Rock has=20 another year of breathing room. Tweetsie general manager Chris Robbins said the park has reached=20 agreement on a short-term lease that will keep the park open through=20 the 2007 season, essentially adding another year of operation over=20 the previous lease. 1 of the 2 parcels had already been leased=20 through the end of the 2007 season, but Robbins pointed out the park=20 couldn't operate without the other leased property and welcomed the=20 extension. "It gives us a little bit of breathing room," Robbins said, adding=20 that negotiations on a long-term lease have been busy but without any=20 resolution. Tweetsie Railroad owns nearly half of the 200-acre site,=20 while a 43-acre portion that includes the park's entrance is owned by=20 a group of more than a dozen descendants of the Broyhill family.=20 Another 150-acre tract containing a portion of the park and "Miner's=20 Mountain" is owned by another family operating under the name Dee=20 Arthur Properties. As negotiations continue, Tweetsie is actively pursuing other sites=20 outside the county. Robbins said it made no sense to relocate in=20 Watauga County because the park would face the same high land prices=20 that have caused the current stalemate in renewing leases.=20 Escalating property values have been the main roadblock to getting a=20 deal done, though Robbins said staying at home is the park's=20 preferred option. Robbins said the firms hired by the park to explore other locations=20 have been talking with Watauga County officials about possible=20 economic incentives.=20 A private study commissioned by the park showed Tweetsie had a $6.8=20 million direct economic impact on the High Country.=20 However, Robbins said unless the leases are settled, talks with the=20 county won't have any effect. "We are working pretty actively with=20 Watauga, but it all hinges on resolution of the negotiations,"=20 Robbins said. Meanwhile, schematic drawings are being worked up for 2 sites in=20 Wilkes County, about a 10-minute drive from North Wilkesboro.=20 The sites were among 9 selected for consideration by Wilkes Economic=20 Development Director Kelly Pipes, according to the Wilkes Journal- Patriot. The sites ranged in size from 140 acres to 1,000 acres. Robbins said schematic drawings are also being done for a site in=20 Caldwell County, which was the first county Tweetsie officials=20 approached when contemplating a move. However, Robbins said the=20 studies in Wilkes and Caldwell were at about the same point. Robbins has said water and sewer access, as well as good roads, would=20 be key factors in any move, and also suggested the possibility of=20 adding a water park. Both the Wilkes sites offer easy access to=20 infrastructure. Robbins said he couldn't offer a deadline for when the theme park=20 would make its decision to stay or move, saying only "when the course=20 becomes clear." The park was founded in 1957, and attracts about 250,000 visitors a=20 year. -------------- =A92005 Watauga Democrat - High Country Media LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:03:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92880 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 17:03:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 17:01:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 17:01:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:01:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Rawhide strives for more sensitivity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xrgrivj_4Bg7t6YETdelp5uaNMZRSJk_awrF1jrjzqk0Heo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 22, 2005 Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0822ruelas22.h tml by Richard Ruelas Phoenix, AZ -- The last time settlers built an Old West cowboy town=20 on tribal property they didn't worry this much about offending the=20 natives. But Rawhide, the longtime Western theme park, is not just moving out=20 of Scottsdale and onto the Gila River Reservation. It's moving itself=20 out of an older mind-set, one that didn't worry too much about how it=20 depicted Native Americans. Victor Ostrow, general manager of the 35-y.o. theme park, said Gila=20 River leaders are not demanding any changes. He will make those on=20 his own. "Anything that feeds that stereotype of cowboys and Indians=20 will have to be altered," he said. Ground broke on the new theme park in April. It's expected to be=20 completed by December. Ostrow stood on the construction site, next to=20 the wooden frames that will become the new general store and fudge=20 shop on Main Street. He said the facades from the existing Rawhide=20 buildings will be taken apart, board by board, and rebuilt=20 here. "We're moving 100% of the stuff that can be moved at Rawhide,"=20 he said. "We're pretty much re-creating it as it is." But not everything will make the trip.=20 For instance, a sign at the entrance to the stagecoach ride lists=20 some comical rules. One warns that leaping off the stagecoach "will=20 leave you injured, at the mercy of the elements, hostile Indians and=20 hungry coyotes." "Probably not," Ostrow said, when asked about whether that sign would=20 appear on Gila River land. Ostrow said the tribe is not expected to take a cultural audit of the=20 current Rawhide. It will be largely up to him, although he can take=20 questionable items to a cultural council for review. So maybe the cigar store Indians outside the gift shops don't get put=20 up again. Maybe the hogan, with a thatched roof and blankets for=20 doors, along the train ride won't get rebuilt. Maybe the old-time=20 photo studio won't allow tourists to have a picture snapped wearing=20 an Indian headdress. "I prefer to err on the side of being safe,"=20 Ostrow said. "It's important to portray the community truthfully and=20 accurately." That's not the case with the cowboy aspects of the new town. Those=20 will still be whimsical, with gunfights scheduled regularly and=20 shuttered shops saying they are "Closed for hanging." A village idiot=20 will still wander the streets performing antics for visitors. "We=20 probably represent more of what people romantically think of the Old=20 West," Ostrow said. "The gunfights and everything we do is pure=20 entertainment. . . . "When it comes to Native Americans, it will not be that." Blueprints for the new Rawhide, which will be just south of Phoenix,=20 include a large Native American village near the reconstructed Main=20 Street. Ostrow said when completed next year, it will accurately=20 reflect the ancestral people of the land. "It will be a very serious=20 area," Ostrow said. "This is going to be a dignified representation=20 of the Gila River people." That news didn't surprise Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True=20 West magazine. "Everything's got to be noble and stuff," Bell said of=20 current depictions of Native Americans. It's an over-correction of=20 the Western films of the 1940s & '50s, when all Native Americans were=20 depicted as savages. Marshall Trimble, Arizona's official historian, said the trend might=20 be borne of guilt. "But when we start going too far the other=20 way . . . we might do a disservice to people. Nobody has the=20 exclusive on being the good guy or bad guy. "You can't paint with a broad brush as all Indians being noble or=20 bloodthirsty warriors. They're just as complex as the nations of=20 Europe." Of course, a theme park isn't about complexity. It's about fun. And=20 given that, maybe historical accuracy about Native Americans wouldn't=20 be such a good idea, said Lance Polingyouma, a Hopi who has conducted=20 cultural lectures and tours for 21 years. "When you're talking about=20 the Native American culture in general, you're not talking about a=20 pleasant experience," Polingyouma said. But the tourists Polingyouma talks to are not interested in being=20 browbeaten. They want a taste of history and culture. Just like=20 Rawhide offers a sprinkling of Old West lore. And for now, the=20 popular version of Native American history concentrates on nobility=20 rather than savagery or poverty. No one can quibble about losing authenticity at a theme park. "Having=20 gunfights at 2 and hoop dancing at 4 is OK," Polingyouma said. For=20 reality, there are museums. The proposed Native American village will=20 be next to the parking lot for the adjoining casino. It is telling that most of the fretting about what Rawhide will look=20 like at its new location is not coming from tribal members. (The=20 chairman of the Gila River Indian Community did not return messages=20 seeking comment about Rawhide.) The one fretting is Ostrow, looking=20 to please his new landlords. Polingyouma said it's an amazing and=20 ironic turnaround that the tribe is having the "dominant culture sort=20 of meet them on their terms." "They have this beautiful Rawhide facility. What should they be doing=20 with it?" Polingyouma said. "It's a commercial enterprise. They=20 should be doing whatever will make them money." ----------- =A9 2005, azcentral.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 11:00:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49418 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 18:00:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 18:00:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:00:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Missouri Resort Town Sets Sights on Prosperous Conservatives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8hACrwCqmK5d1_dnrLNQH1apwt531RCY0jG7qadk4SOpBkg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 21, 2005 Washington Post Mercury News http://www.thestate.com/mld/mercurynews/living/travel/12439076.htm? source=rss&channel=mercurynews_travel By Lois Romano BRANSON, Mo. -- Here in the lush foothills of the Ozarks it is barely 9am, with temperatures inching toward 100, and already throngs are pushing into Silver Dollar City. It's an 1880s-era theme park that launches every day with the Pledge of Allegiance, hosts 4 packed Sunday Christian services and requires customers to dress in appropriate family attire. This is the way visitors like it in Branson, where 7 million people a year come for live shows at about 45 theaters - more seats than Broadway - as well as camping, fishing and all-you-can-eat buffets. Offering wholesome entertainment, Branson is a popular Middle America summer destination for families, veterans and others seeking affirmation of traditional values with a strong Christian influence. "The best way we can serve you is to offer prayer to Our Lord Jesus Christ for any need you may have," a bedside card at the Honeysuckle Inn offers. Now, city officials and business leaders are banking it is the right time for this small, homey town to reposition itself to attract a more sophisticated following among the prosperous conservative movement. Moving beyond its roots as a working-class resort, next year Branson will see a $400 million lakefront complex open with 2 Hiltons, a large convention center and upscale shops, such as Ann Taylor Loft and Brookstone. Branson Landing has leased 80% of its national retail space and sold $75 million worth of condos. "Branson will always be a slice of America," said Ross Summers, president of the local chamber of commerce. "We never intend to alienate our base. . . (But) we're aiming at a new market that might be more upscale - people who have a preconceived notion that Branson is just country shows, traffic, buses and senior travelers." Since the early 1900s, when people came by the trainloads to enjoy the town's 800 miles of lakeshore and leafy mountains, Branson has been a low-cost vacation spot. In the past 2 decades, Branson has seen exponential growth, becoming famous when a country-music boom brought acts such as Willie Nelson and Loretta Lynn to town. Shows are expected to offer the clean entertainment of another era - no dirty jokes, no sexual innuendoes, no bad language. There is a museum dedicated to war veterans, a "strip" lined with American flags, and Bobby Vinton, a regular live act, crooning on the local radio station. "Branson is a metaphor for red-state America," said Robert Schmuhl, professor of American studies at the University of Notre Dame, who has written extensively on the intersection of culture and politics. "There are those on the coasts that might snicker in their sleeves, but the town represents what many conservative people in the Midwest see as America, the America they want, the America they hold in their heads from yesterday. Maybe it is part mythical - but it's the America they want to cling to." Andy Williams, who arrived in 1991, remains one of the more popular shows in town. Williams said in an interview that he decided to build his Moon River Theatre here because he was "burned out" on traveling and on Las Vegas. Although Williams, 77, was a friend of Bobby and Ethel Kennedy's, he said he is a lifelong Republican who grew up in Iowa singing in church choirs and feels right at home in Branson. "There's no doubt in my mind that people on the West Coast - L.A. particularly - and the East Coast have no clue at all about what's happening outside their own little bailiwick. And they think everybody is stupid because they are not sophisticated," he said. "People on the East Coast just look down their noses on Branson. But this is America." Steve Presley, whose family started the first live show on the "Branson Strip" - Highway 76 - 40 years ago, describes his audience as "very much a blue-collar crowd . . . probably real close to the Wal-Mart customer. They value the dollar because they work hard and save for vacation. They tend to follow tradition." The average Branson visitor has a household income of $55,000, stays less than 4 days and spends $217. Presley said the challenge, as Branson reaches out to a more well-heeled clientele, will be to keep "the personal, hometown feeling that built Branson." Veterans arrive by the thousands for the annual weeklong tribute that coincides with Veterans Day. Wally & Ruth Landis like the way veterans are treated here - "with respect," he said. He is 84 and served in the Pacific during World War II; she is 79. They have traveled to Branson from their Lansing, Mich., home 6 times. Last year, a state casino referendum that could have brought tens of millions of dollars in revenue to a town 20 miles away was resoundingly defeated by statewide vote, with religious leaders leading the opposition. "The clientele would shift from the heart of America, the core values," said Pete Herschend, who with his brother owns Silver Dollar City and other venues. "In marketing terms we own a brand: that this is the place where you can bring family with safety and security. It changes the brand, it changes who we are." ---------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 02:09:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41900 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 09:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 09:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 09:09:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 09:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 09:09:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:09:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.211 From: "Chris" Subject: NEWS: Accident at Tokyo Summerland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=scF5FfXHKCsu9XE1z3e4kLzNdIsZJ5QmJdBrfX3kJ0mkf3XzEg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 While watching the news tonight, a report was shown about an accident on Hayabusa, Tokyo Summerland's Arrow suspended coaster. Like many Arrow creations, the suppport structure for the coaster has steel crossmembers that are tightened with turnbuckles. Apparently, while the train was traversing the course, one of these let go with enough force to injure a young woman riding the train. She was taken to the hospital and will be OK. The news showed the damaged area, and it appeared to be towards the top of the second hill, where the train is sideways over a portion of the waterpark. As is usual for most accidents, the ride is closed until further notice. Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Aug 24 06:04:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33084 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 13:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 13:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 13:04:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 13:04:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 13:04:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:04:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430A546E.4020204@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.189.34.58 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=UPqX2CjnpUAVFCcThFWsXO74R8XunV48zDDFgfNazZ3aeF6D3teT0IM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else reply to this yet. So let me > give what little bit of advice I can. I havent' done the Disney parks > here yet (expect to shell out a heck of a lot of money to do that) but > I've done the others in your list, so I'll comment as I'm able to there. > Thanks for the reply - O'm surprised too... > daniel_roachus wrote: > > > > > How long do you think I'll need to do all the big thrill rides in the > > parks? I was thinking of: > > Are you only looking to do the major rides, or are you wanting to really > experience the parks. They are very different things, especially with > the Orlando area parks. For example, Sea World only has Journey to > Atlantis, Kraken, and if you want to count it, Wild Arctic as rides. > They won't take any time at all. But if you want to add in the shows > and other things to see and do, then there's a heck of a lot more. > Generally I'll be after the thrill rides... Although I think 5 or 6 rides in a day will be plenty > Assuming that you want to experience as much of the parks as you can... > > > > 2 days in busch gardens > > As much as I love my "home" park, I'm not sure if you'll want 2 full > days at BGT. But that really depends on how much time you want to take > to really see the animals. If you decide to take the Serengetti Safari > (an hour driving on the Velt seeing the animals up close and feeding > some) and things like that, then 2 days will work well. But if you're > looking to gloss over the animals and focus on the rides and maybe a > show or two, then 1 day will probably do it- at least if you're there at > opening and stay the whole day. Lines in March are short so waits > shouldn't be a problem. So even though it's a big park, you can hit > everything ride wise in a day fairly easily that time of year. But it > could easily stretch into 2 if you want to spend some time with the > animal exhibits. > Hmm - I thought march would be fairly busy as it's "spring break" time... I noticed on the BG website that they do tours with front of queue access on most rides - although these are quite pricy, I may do this if it is fairly busy (ie queue times much over an hour....) The park looks good enough to warrant 2 days there - particularly if I want to do certain rides again.... > > 1 day in sea world > > About right. > :) > > 2 days in universal islamds > > 1 day in universal studios > > Plan on hopping back and forth between the two. Honestly, about a day > in each is enough to cover everything. But I will say, the theming is > incredible, especially in IOA. We like to just go and sit and absorb it Ok then - one day at each, and maybe one "suck it and see" day > > Be sure to check out the City Pass which will get you into both of these Yeh - I'll be getting a 5 park flexticket... > > 2 days in disney magic kingdom > > 1 day in disney studios > > 1 day in animal kingdom > > 1 day in epcot > > The one thing I might add here, based solely on what I've heard, is that > Epcot is HUGE. I've had many, many people tell me that it alone is > worth 2 days, adn even that might cut it a bit short. But again, that's I've had a lookat a review site, and I rhink 1 day would be enough in MK - there are only 4 rides I want to do there looks as if 1.5-2 days is a good allowance for the other parks - 5 days total, plus maybe a suck it n see day... > > > > are the smaller disney parks worth visiting? is it worth squeezing in > > a day at cypress gardens? > > I haven't managed to get out there yet (argh, it's about killing me to), > but from your timetable, I would take one of your extra days there > (Universal, BGT, etc.) and hit up Cypress Gardens. It's not the huge > thrill park that the others are, but everything I've heard about it has > been extremely positive. Set your expectations lower, and not for the ok - I'll consider that - ta! > And be sure to let me know when you're going to be here. I'll see what > I can do about meeting up with you at some point if you're interested. > Adn if I'm still working for BGT, might be able to help with some food > discounts or something. :) > Sounds cool! Should be in orlando for 2 weeks from 11th march..... From gregleg@gregleg.com Wed Aug 24 07:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79077 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 14:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 14:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 14:06:19 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7OE6HuC029245 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200508241406.j7OE6HuC029245@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWoi+vOZ/vfzZG2QGWBZC+QrnxKPwAKNtJg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Accident at Tokyo Summerland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=OVoMO-pX0Vw3NnQW5A8rBZ-5GfgA8C3qhwSk0k3WizIEzWo X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > While watching the news tonight, a report was shown about an > accident on Hayabusa, Tokyo Summerland's Arrow suspended coaster. Well, THAT'S interesting. I was just there. This morning. Less than 12 hours ago as I type this. That must have happened shortly after we left Summerland for Yomuiriland. Frell me. I'll have to put the news on now, even if it IS all in Japanese. --Greg From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 24 09:20:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7988 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 16:20:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:20:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:20:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 130.207.180.41 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=jt26N6LDHHYLN8zQwZ5RQpSGbNgU_v1l-mpmzJuAeMSCO9Zj X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > Hmm - I thought march would be fairly busy as it's "spring break" > time... I noticed on the BG website that they do tours with front of > queue access on most rides - although these are quite pricy, I may do > this if it is fairly busy (ie queue times much over an hour....) > > The park looks good enough to warrant 2 days there - particularly if > I want to do certain rides again.... While I haven't been to the park in three plus years, I can add one comment from experience, and it may help you plan. I went to the park in 2002 on Easter Sunday and it was basically dead. In the morning, nothing had more than a 10-15' wait. As the afternoon progressed, some more people piled in, but still nothing too heavy, other than Rhino Rally which was 90' when I rode late in the day, but that's probably just due to the horrible loading procedures. If you can manage to hit Busch Gardens on Easter Sunday, then you will be able to do everything in the park with multiple re-rides, and I'd suggest that if interested. Also, they don't quote the price on the tours website until you select to purchase, but I think the cheapest one runs for $60 or so, and I'd imagine that does not include admission, so you are talking over $100 per person, if that's what you really want. Joseph Rehanek http://www.parktrips.com/ From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 09:38:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71167 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 16:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 16:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 16:38:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 379 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: TR: Mall of America, Valleyfair, Dells X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=raztSycrzyAQk6jfk1guYvxwjBT5_RbzZaYq1wPRc9Ojmwo X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Mall of America -- new spinny thing (Timberland Twister, Zamperla > spinning coaster) is a lot of fun and well-placed. Ripsaw is, well, > Ripsaw, which is to say just fine for what it is. Crazy long trains. Bill, seriously. You know this ain't no Italian, pasta-bending coaster. It is Gerslauer- German, baby, full of beer and grit (and self-concious nationalism). Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 09:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54855 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:48:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:48:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:48:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2015 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Park Offsets High Gas Prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3ghjKruISdI5vspawitZBGtl5MqJif1B8n6fWEU2WXlt2Ok X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 24, 2005 CBS NEWS http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/23/eveningnews/main792336.shtml by Jim Axelrod SANDUSKY, OH -- Well they knew something was up here at the Cedar=20 Point Amusement Park on the shores of Lake Erie. Most of the visitors=20 drive here from 4 or 5 hours away. With gas prices way up and attendance 4% down, the people who run the=20 park did something they've never done before: cut the price of=20 admission. Never before really means something when you're talking about the=20 second oldest park in North America. But seniors and kids under 3 are now getting into CP for under=20 $10. "We can't give them free gas, but what we can do is reduce the=20 price of the park to get in," says Cedar Point CEO Dick Kinzel. Marlene Smalley spent $25 more on gas driving here from Tennessee,=20 but she's saving $35 bucks on admission. "I was going to come anyway,=20 but it sure is helpful to know I can stay over now," Smalley says. Of course, the discounts don't help Kelly Mulinix, who's here with=20 her family celebrating their daughter's 5th birthday. A shorter trip=20 than she would have liked. "Normally we would have been here a whole=20 week," Mulinix explains, "but because gas prices and because we=20 couldn't bring our camper with us, we had to cut down to only 2 days." Well at least she's filling up in Ohio, which is averaging $2.57 for=20 a gallon of unleaded regular, about the same as Pennsylvania, where=20 we filled up this morning. It's 20 cents cheaper than in New York=20 yesterday. "$46 even. That gives us just a shade under 18 gallons,"=20 Axelrod notes as he fills his gas tank. "That, by the way, was our second tank since leaving New York City.=20 We're $100 in the hole and we're only halfway through Ohio," Axelrod=20 adds. Of course all this worry about gas prices you could always choose the=20 Kozlowski family strategy: have fun now. Think about it later. The family says it could affect them at Christmas time. ------------ =A9 MMV The Associated Press. =A9MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 09:54:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67893 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 16:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 16:54:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:54:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:54:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:54:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Geauga expands amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=P5EjLavyEC4raOVykcoXvTkTg0r2jExgeZECurQl6AOlPGo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 24 Aug 2005 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D11980 Aurora, OH -- Geauga Lake family Amusement Park in Aurora, Ohio, has=20 completed the first phase of a US$26m expansion programme. The new Wildwater Kingdom occupies an area of around 20 acres and=20 includes 2 new rides =96 Thunder Falls and the Splash Landing. Thunder Falls is a 100'-tall waterslide complex which carries riders=20 up to speeds of 30mph on its 7 slides. Splash Landing has more than 70 different water gadgets, 7 water=20 slides and a 1,000-gallon tipping bucket. Phase 2 of the development is due for completion in 2006 and includes=20 a 60' tornado slide and 2 new 4-dimensional movies in the motion=20 simulator and 4D theatre. The work will also allow GL, which is located on a former Sea World=20 site, to utilise the original wildlife property's front gates,=20 restaurants, restrooms and parking facilities. Details:=20 www.geaugalake.com ------------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 10:00:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51379 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 17:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 17:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 17:00:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 16:58:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:58:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Bay Beach Changes to Fall Hours X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ixpmml7W-FOAWq42cgFwlLX29d3sTF9d0uxWRv3QqSOrgyg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 23, 2005 WBAY Channel 2 http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3757497&nav=51s7dfQK Green Bay, WI -- It's a sign summer is nearing an end. Bay Beach Amusement Park in Green Bay is switching to its fall hours. The park is now open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. through August 31. Bay Beach will be closed September 1st and 2nd, then it will reopen only on the weekends (including Labor Day) from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. The last regularly-scheduled day Bay Beach Amusement Park is open is September 25th. ----------- Copyright 2000 - 2005 WorldNow and WBAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 10:07:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23498 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 17:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 17:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 17:07:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 17:04:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2005 17:03:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:03:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Fun fair set to be extended X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bQwBC4XVSpeah3xAMmHcYgghJfCwJRQNiBRq5bKb7oK4Y3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 24 August 2005 Aberdeen City http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ACC_Data/news% 20item/ppu_news_050824d.asp Aberdeen City, UK -- Aberdeen City Council planning officers are=20 recommending that proposals to extend Codona's Pleasure Park should=20 be approved. John Codona's Pleasure Fairs want to provide extra car parking and=20 moveable fun fair rides on 3,000 sq-m of land which is at present=20 public open space. Head of Physical development Dr Margaret Bochel reports to the=20 Planning Committee, which meets on Thursday, September 1, says that=20 if the application is approved it would enhance an existing=20 recreational and tourist attraction of regional significance. She says: "The expansion of the existing amusement park is=20 constrained due to the developed nature of adjacent land to the south=20 and east, the proximity of the beach and the presence of public open=20 space to the north. "Given the significant distance from the site to residential property=20 and the commercial nature of the adjoining built up area it is not=20 considered that the proposal would have an adverse impact on the=20 amenity of adjoining areas." Bochel adds that she does not believe that the proposal would=20 compromise the recreational use of adjacent land used as open space,=20 or lead to a precedent for further loss of open space in the area. ------------- =A9Aberdeen City Council From exitenglish@gmail.com Wed Aug 24 10:12:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64972 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 17:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 17:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.196) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 17:12:32 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o1so89321nzf for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.1 with SMTP id b1mr6112051nzc; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.101.16 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:11:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=5hNekx_by3xu0Ydn3gXos7-ULxIBVtGOiCOY1DWmtXe-c35p1_-I X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm headed to Orlando in 9 days for a 10-day romp. George, and anyone else who is in the area, do you feel like meeting up at BGT for a day? I'm purchasing a 10 day Disney hopper, in case I feel like dropping by the parks on all 10 days, and I have a Busch Gardens platinum pass, and I'm purchasing a Universal pass when I'm there. Seriously, anyone who's in the area, I'll be there from the night of Sept 2nd, to the night of Sept 12th/morning of the 13th. Let me know and we'll hang out. -Josh On 8/24/05, Joseph Rehanek wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" > wrote: > > > Hmm - I thought march would be fairly busy as it's "spring break" > > time... I noticed on the BG website that they do tours with front > of > > queue access on most rides - although these are quite pricy, I may > do > > this if it is fairly busy (ie queue times much over an hour....) > > > > The park looks good enough to warrant 2 days there - particularly > if > > I want to do certain rides again.... > > While I haven't been to the park in three plus years, I can add one > comment from experience, and it may help you plan. I went to the park > in 2002 on Easter Sunday and it was basically dead. In the morning, > nothing had more than a 10-15' wait. As the afternoon progressed, some > more people piled in, but still nothing too heavy, other than Rhino > Rally which was 90' when I rode late in the day, but that's probably > just due to the horrible loading procedures. If you can manage to hit > Busch Gardens on Easter Sunday, then you will be able to do everything > in the park with multiple re-rides, and I'd suggest that if > interested. > > Also, they don't quote the price on the tours website until you select > to purchase, but I think the cheapest one runs for $60 or so, and I'd > imagine that does not include admission, so you are talking over $100 > per person, if that's what you really want. > > Joseph Rehanek > http://www.parktrips.com/ > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Theme park > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 24 10:20:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7642 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 17:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 17:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 17:20:35 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Aug 2005 13:20:16 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,138,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="67709931:sNHT31612664" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7OHJfRH010807; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:20:00 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:20:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200508211826.AA658964756@karenandjay.com> References: <200508211826.AA658964756@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:20:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2005 17:20:00.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EBC69E0:01C5A8D0] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Lake Compounce, 8-19-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=jtNULKXw6mKdeAmAgS-BdGDlo3aozHWchqm_mnCrjZUeyiHM X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HI Jay, That's a great report, thanks so much. I'm planning on hitting Lake Compounce in June (for the first time), so it was an interesting read. Also loved the panorama shot! Cameron. On Aug 21, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > As usual, I've posted accompanying pics on our website. > > >> http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/lc805/lc805.html < -- Cameron Silver: ** Oh no, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Not again. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 24 13:27:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11363 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 20:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2005 20:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 20:27:48 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E81qd-0006rf-WC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <430CD849.4080607@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:27:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47838e41faa7aa56b4aa2da1de290ddc20d73a2d4bdd6ab9174350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7sFSBlfVRmw1WCfP67QmtDAiQuiYUXIKvE3LtTMsXc986uU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh wrote: > I'm headed to Orlando in 9 days for a 10-day romp. > > George, and anyone else who is in the area, do you feel like meeting up at > BGT for a day? > > I'm purchasing a 10 day Disney hopper, in case I feel like dropping by the > parks on all 10 days, and I have a Busch Gardens platinum pass, and I'm > purchasing a Universal pass when I'm there. > > Seriously, anyone who's in the area, I'll be there from the night of Sept > 2nd, to the night of Sept 12th/morning of the 13th. Let me know and we'll > hang out. > Well, I'll be working at BGT over at Rhino Rally on the Saturday and Monday of Labor Day weekend, so I should be fairly easy to find there. Shoot, if the line on Rhino is long and you're there on one of those days, come over to the exit and say you're a friend of mine and we can get you to skip the line. :) We'll actually be over at Universal with some friends of ours from Cali on the 9th-11th. It's Rock the Universe/ Night of Joy weekend, so Universal and the Magic Kingdom will be closing early on that Friday and Saturday evening for a bunch of Christian concerts. Be warned ahead of time. :) Don't know how that'll affect the crowds the rest of the day though. But let me know. Normally I'd say I'd hop over in the evening during the week and meet you, but with the time at the parks, and friends coming in on Weds, it would be a bit tough to do it. But as soon as I know my work hours on those couple of days, I'll let you know. You still have the cell number, right? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 05:26:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24978 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 12:26:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 12:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 12:26:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:26:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430CD849.4080607@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 62.189.34.58 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=O1osu_S7gGP6jP0HFkkgGlL5_-naYohjlNXThhxbC3OKzyf4W6i3KJA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus How long does the sea world- busch gardens coach take then? And how regular is it likely to be in march? From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 06:21:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25872 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 13:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 13:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 13:21:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 81954 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2005 13:21:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050825132101.81952.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:21:01 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=1RSAxR9PF0Y86FI57i1Z2BWfaztJAu-w6Q_XX1ybq1nCK2A X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050825/six_flags_sale.html?.v=1 AP Six Flags Puts Itself Up for Sale Thursday August 25, 8:49 am ET Six Flags Board Unanimously Decides to Sell Company Through an Auction Process NEW YORK (AP) -- Six Flags Inc. on Thursday said its board of directors has unanimously decided to sell the company through an auction process, one week after a dissident shareholder offered to raise his stake in the amusement-park operator and replace its management. Six Flags shares jumped 91 cents, or nearly 14 percent, to $7.45 in pre-market trading after the news. Six Flags said it would invite the dissident shareholder, Red Zone LLC -- a company backed by Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder -- to participate in the auction. It also said it opposed Snyder's attempt to gain control of the company through a consent solicitation and tender offer for Six Flags stock. Last Thursday, Red Zone said it would offer $6.50 for each share of Six Flags and boost its stake to up to 34.9 percent, up from a current 11.7 percent. Six Flags, which is based in Oklahoma City, said putting itself up for sale was "the best way to deliver full and fair value" to shareholders, particularly given Red Zone's proposal, which it said was an attempt to acquire effective control of the company without providing value to all shareholders. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Aug 25 06:33:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75368 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 13:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 13:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 13:33:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 13:33:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 13:33:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:33:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.152 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: La Ronde - Le Monstre turns 20! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=JnUF-DRaMPCNfMJ-SsvbtHRF8dbxTiYySoHMVOm5pz6o50mnEHA X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred La Ronde has updated the park's website and added an interesting section about his wooden roller coaster, Le Monstre. http://www.laronde.com/en/evenements/monstre.asp The section also includes interesting pictures of the construction process: http://www.laronde.com/en/virtuel/album.asp?album=3 Fred From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 06:39:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73339 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 13:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 13:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 13:39:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:37:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: La Ronde - Le Monstre turns 20! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Rv2ERSP-ss7YgaCPEofgOFI3ngR32G2Z5pGK9W2PYW6WCnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I find it interesting that LaRonde's website is so good, at least relative to the other SF parks. The park has really seemed to market itself as a "new park under new ownership", a kind of "look at what we're doing" mentality that, at least on the web, the US facilities never had. Adam From CoasterDainan@aol.com Thu Aug 25 08:16:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9273 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 15:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 15:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 15:16:56 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.d.4b220210 (4254) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:16:22 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: La Ronde - Le Monstre turns 20! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=L66jAhjZXEKJz1Duymopr1RqsHMvA-LT01Hvrqq2wXMu7xXFgmg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy birthday one of my favorite wooden coasters. I wish I could travel 12 hours just for you. -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 09:28:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61338 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 16:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 16:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 16:28:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:28:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:28:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050825132101.81952.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 68 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-LXC0TUyUNQfVITto1BrX8TPKC_6ooux-2Ojwpxsc0NlD7k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 WHOA! Is anybody else's head spinning! Now that's HUGE News. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 09:38:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4328 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 16:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 16:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 16:38:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:38:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:38:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:38:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS Follow-up: Investigation finds boy slipped through gap in ride's floor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DOAVQwVJuP2emy7k5OFlQUzwslEuk-cllvjOmfyE_I8JUrE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 25, 2005 Associated Press News Day http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny-- playlanddeath0825aug25,0,7009090.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork RYE, N.Y. -- An investigation into the death of a 7-y.o. boy at Playland Amusement Park earlier this month found that he slipped through a 14"-wide gap in the ride's floor and became wedged under its conveyor belts. The investigation, which was ordered by the state Labor Department, also found that 2 of the 4 operators assigned to the Ye Old Mill boat ride were not present when the boy, Jon Kely Cassara of Norwalk, Conn., was getting on. Robert Lillpopp, a spokesman for the Labor Department, said the investigation into the child's death was continuing. The findings issued Wednesday did not say whether the gap in the floor and the absence of the attendants were factors in his death. Investigators have ordered the gap sealed and said that running the ride with just 2 operators violated procedures outlined in the park's operations manual. The gap is over a point where 1 conveyor belt passes boats onto a 2nd belt for a 6-minute, slow-moving passage through darkness, past displays that are intended to scare the riders. When the accident occurred, there were no outstanding violations. After the accident, the state issued a "notice of violation and order to comply" against Ye Old Mill for the open space over the conveyor belt. The ride has been closed since the boy's death. "Although the items they issued to us are technically called violations, they in no way indicate there was anything wrong with the ride or that we were doing anything improperly at the ride," Joseph Montalto, the park's director, told the Journal News in Thursday's editions. "What they recognize is, after some 6 million riders since 1929, this did occur and that we need to take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again." The Connecticut state medical examiner's office has declared that the boy's death was an accident caused by blunt head trauma. It has not yet issued its final report. ---------- Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 09:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48956 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 16:47:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 16:47:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:47:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Historic Vessel Makes Bumpy Return to Detroit Waterfront X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FSDu62BP9uPuqzJCAi17EfWN3UBNfjoOYxxwNNta4RAcAtw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 25, 2005 The Associated Press WXYZ Channel 7 http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/nw_local_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_402 9117,00.html RIVER ROUGE, Mich. - One of the vintage excursion steamboats that=20 ferried passengers to the defunct Boblo Island amusement park has=20 returned to the Detroit River waterfront. It happened with a bump today in River Rouge, south of Detroit. The 95-y.o. Sainte Claire was recently towed from Lorain, Ohio, to=20 Windsor, Ontario. 2 tugboats were maneuvering the 3-story vessel when it struck the=20 River Rouge dock, knocking out a 25'-long section of railing. The boat was built in Toledo, Ohio, in 1910 and made its last run to=20 Boblo in 1991. The current owners are opening the boat for tours. ----------- =A9 2005 WXYZ-TV Scripps Howard Broadcasting Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 10:51:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27735 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 17:51:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 17:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 17:50:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:50:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2824 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: L.A. gator could go to Orlando theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ugORksLzV524kkUVezyx_v7F2l7-ibGP0Jg8CJcLuOvNpqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 23, 2005 Associated Press Daily Bulletin http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203~21481~3023252,00.html By Daisy Nguyen LOS ANGELES, CA -- The elusive gator discovered in a city lake has=20 become quite the celebrity, so a theme park in Florida wants to help=20 the city capture it and maybe give it a little star treatment. 3 alligator wrestlers and a cameraman from Gatorland in Orlando began=20 to scour Machado Lake on Tuesday in hopes of catching the giant=20 reptile. The lake is about 20 miles south of downtown Los Angeles. They offered to do the job for free (travel expenses not included),=20 and will even drive the reptile back to Gatorland if the city decides=20 not to keep it. The attempt follows an unsuccessful search last week=20 by Colorado-based gator wrangler Jay Young, who tried for 2 days and=20 was paid $1,600. "We have a 110-acre park where alligators live a=20 long, happy, sheltered life," Gatorland spokeswoman Michelle Harris=20 said. "We think he would make a nice fit." Harris said the gator who's been nicknamed "Carlito" and "Harbor Park=20 Harry" could be housed in an exhibition area with 2 other=20 gators "captured from notorious backgrounds." One was seized in Miami=20 and one is known to eat dogs, she said. But the gator's undeniable fame appears to have rubbed off on Los=20 Angeles City Councilwoman Janice Hahn. "They offered to take it back,=20 but we haven't decided that's the right thing to do," Hahn=20 said. "After all, it's an L.A. gator." She hopes it will be captured soon, and then residents can see the=20 gator, later, when it resettles at the Los Angeles Zoo. "It would be=20 fun for neighborhood kids to visit," she said. The creature was first spotted Aug. 12, and officials initially=20 believed it was a close alligator relative from the Amazon called a=20 caiman. Crowds gathered around the cordoned lake, binoculars in hand, in=20 hopes of a sighting. Some lobbed tempting treats, including tortillas, french bread, jelly=20 doughnuts and raw chicken. Vendors began selling T-shirts with an=20 alligator logo and the tagline: "You will never catch me!!" Television crews staked the lake, but the gator was camera shy. It=20 even made the front page of a Los Angeles newspaper. Tim Williams, the so-called gator guru and "Dean of Gator Wrestling"=20 at Gatorland, said all that attention won't do much to lure the=20 animal. What will, he said, is grunting. "The eyes glow red at night=20 and when you grunt 'em, it's just a gruntin' call," said Williams,=20 who has 30 years of experience gator wrestling. He then demonstrated=20 by making a rapid guttural sound that sounded like someone trying not=20 to throw up. "We'll try to hunt him at night, get close, either get a noose or=20 grab him. He's not that big, and then we'll go from there." ----------- =A9 2005 Los Angeles Newspaper Group From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 25 11:44:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49989 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 18:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 18:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 18:44:12 -0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2005 11:43:12 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,141,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="656790127:sNHT28234480" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7PIgkp8016395 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:43:02 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:43:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0EE31014-0483-485C-A813-74759E2715A1@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:42:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 18:43:01.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25C1D30:01C5A9A4] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xW7gb4cvglP6pGogMBnNs-0ZSM3WOr6SUzHnNKg9G0aOf2ZV X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > WHOA! Is anybody else's head spinning! > Now that's HUGE News. Yeah .. For a second I wondered whether it might be a gag. It will be interesting to see who takes control, and what they decide to do with the company. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Thu Aug 25 12:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61240 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m15.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 19:28:17 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.d2.2fce34a5 (4410) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:28:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=Yxl2lMrcOLJyZJRpqdeYtUT6lQkr-qdoYBsikpCUvw2aFVbJJM5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the link directly from their website: _http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=749 370&highlight_ (http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=749370&highlight) = Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Thu Aug 25 12:30:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81624 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 19:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 19:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 19:30:36 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.d9.2c513fef (4410) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:30:33 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sale - SEC Filings - Copy & Paste X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=JVAqwPoYQlO4_aoZWXf6ycoPZvhH32yKFEqlS2JD_og7ELYHO6TL X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=IROL-secToc&TOC=aHR0cDo vL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvY29udGVudHMueG1sP2lwYWdlPTM2NTI2OTkmcmVwbz10Z W5r_ (http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=IROL-secToc&TOC=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvY29udGVudHMueG1sP2lwYWdlPTM2NTI2OTkmcmVw bz10ZW5r) _http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=IROL-secToc&TOC=aHR0cDo vL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvY29udGVudHMueG1sP2lwYWdlPTM2NTI3MDQmcmVwbz10Z W5r_ (http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=IROL-secToc&TOC=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvY29udGVudHMueG1sP2lwYWdlPTM2NTI3MDQmcmVw bz10ZW5r) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 13:35:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1287 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 20:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 20:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 20:35:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2005 20:35:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:35:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=i4EKn8Vpl-gFaqrI5jqeWzVtK92H-YesjnnF1usDMtAYXgLgiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > WHOA! Is anybody else's head spinning! > Now that's HUGE News. > > -Alan Nah, the writing has been on the wall for this one for a while. Where's the stock? In the toilet, which makes it easy to buy out the company, hostile or friendly. With all the equipment / property actualy owned, it makes the stock undervalued, and ripe for picking. I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to bite. Probably a result of post 9/11 and skyrocketing gas prices. (You might actually catch the rest of the world (@$4/gal) at this rate!) Also surprising is that essentially a single investor group forced 6F's hand, making me wonder just how shaky the ground is for the company as a whole. I suspect more park sell-offs are likely if a sale goes through, and hopefully SOMEONE can straighten this chain out. Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 25 16:49:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12287 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 23:48:57 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E8RSn-0004HT-7R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <430E58E4.8080707@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:48:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b9103346b926412233fc0ebb9542d0a21d13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question - How long in each of the orlando parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=L8amDtihB_pg1DKdmuG-mkIL9mGfOItp70OhyvtKQkFMWJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > How long does the sea world- busch gardens coach take then? And how > regular is it likely to be in march? > Best bet there is to call the parks and ask them. I've never taken the shuttle, so I honestly don't know. However, I don't believe that it arrives at the park until well after opening- maybe an hour or two later, and it does leave before closing. So if you're wanting to stay the whole day, the shuttle might not be a good option. Though it is free. I'd call the park though and ask to be sure. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 25 16:50:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35446 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 23:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2005 23:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 23:50:14 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E8RU6-0005FW-Ax for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:50:14 -0400 Message-ID: <430E5932.2020702@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:50:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b9101abd4d313bdfc6dbb94a17ec122fdf70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=-BToG23m-VZ1pwFrfuj7Kx-MEflZyo3DDxilzD3A7rZon0g X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash aelk2004 wrote: > WHOA! Is anybody else's head spinning! > Now that's HUGE News. I'm shocked. That's for sure. Talk about a drastic way to try to fend of Snyder. Now what would be really shocking is if they actually find a buyer. Is there anyone out there that's going to want to actually up and buy the whole entire chain with their debt and their currently dismal finances? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 25 17:09:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29371 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 00:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 00:09:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:09:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200508251709.AA1058668810@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: Lake Compounce X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=K5mowf0F2hwwurdfyPz-KoZ36gPyZGKimXanPpRRW4EDfZTPykC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >That's a great report < Aw, shucks...thanks. :-) >I'm planning on hitting Lake Compounce in June < Let me know when you plan to get out there. If I'm free, I'll meet up with you. >Also loved the panorama shot! < Thanks! That took a lot of tricky work in Photoshop. Since I've switched over to Mac, I haven't found a decent panorama stitcher so I do it all manually. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 25 17:12:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38683 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 00:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 00:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 00:12:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:12:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200508251712.AA1355481290@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=nwQJb5mnZlwVZUG-AsDJ8boKotcqdtd8BvPlrrU-8_-q7y5Mm6Yf X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Six Flags Puts Itself Up for Sale < I thought at first this was from The Onion. What the heck is going on? Is the company that desperate to stay out of Snyder's hands? Or is it just plain desperate? Surely an auction would mean the end of Six Flags as we know it. I can see them selling off some of the underperforming properties, but the entire chain? Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jophish17@comcast.net Fri Aug 26 05:03:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7310 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 12:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 12:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 12:03:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:03:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 130.207.180.71 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=GjZhm6z17p1Xs2NhgmuKBR4Sn72JBB2fm6PKZEyyXldVUIqZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: Nah, the writing has been on the wall for this one for a while. Where's the stock? In the toilet, which makes it easy to buy out the company, hostile or friendly. With all the equipment / property actualy owned, it makes the stock undervalued, and ripe for picking. I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to bite. Probably a result of post 9/11 and skyrocketing gas prices. (You might actually catch the rest of the world (@$4/gal) at this rate!) Also surprising is that essentially a single investor group forced 6F's hand, making me wonder just how shaky the ground is for the company as a whole. I suspect more park sell-offs are likely if a sale goes through, and hopefully SOMEONE can straighten this chain out. Chris B ______ He gets it. I don't think this should really come as a suprise or alarm anyone. It's just a good measure to block a buyout. Anyway, this is a pretty good article from Reuters: http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nN25507215&imageid=&cap= From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 05:46:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82678 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 12:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 12:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 12:46:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 12:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 12:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 12:45:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:45:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 443 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eUW9BJWlLNwKFZXF3ZKLHcXUN95GMQFSAt-50Mgk10ZaOxZFSg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rehanek" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Nah, the writing has been on the wall for this one for a while. > > Chris B > > ______ > > He gets it. > > I don't think this should really come as a suprise or alarm anyone. > It's just a good measure to block a buyout. ooh, thank you! I got one right for once?! Chris B From amsmtpk@webtv.net Fri Aug 26 11:22:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68762 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 18:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2005 18:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 18:22:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 18:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2005 18:22:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:22:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1012 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "amsmtpk" Subject: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=aObQdduKZSWpI8EoqwDaReSThkrzKZbpNNfIEmwQbpknFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk Hi All. I have been a coaster fan for ever. I worked at Knott's Berry Farm back in the 1970's. I plan to relocate to Albuquerque...so I can live close to Cliff's Amusement Park. THe N.M. RATTLER is a #10 in my book. Not too high, not too fast, no loops. THe lines aren't long and it was built around existing rides. THe sky ride runs along side the rollercoaster. There are aparment complexes within walking distance.... Also my mother lives in El Paso close to Sunland Park N.M. That is the new site of the relocation of Western Playland. The owner, mr Thompson, wanted to build a coaster years ago but the city fought him on the issue, so he will open the new park next door to the race track and casino, Perfect location. I think by a lease contract of a few years he has to keep the old western playland open as well. Some old rides will move and some will stay, I will be keeping tabs on both parks and will let you all know what new and exciting thrills are coming in the near future. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 18:01:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46265 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 01:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 01:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 01:01:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 01:01:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 01:01:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:01:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=r7a8G2fzJzpFCM8hSkwa3HD5dn-t4d5pbVwLVBajA89TfqY4PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "amsmtpk" wrote: > Hi All. I have been a coaster fan for ever. I worked at Knott's Berry Farm back in the 1970's. Welcome to the board! So did you get to ride Soab Box Derby when it was still runnung the motorcycle cars? I thought the Vekoma boosterbikes were inspired genius until I heard about KBF running motorcycle trains way back when! Chris B From CoasterDainan@aol.com Fri Aug 26 22:19:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36728 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 05:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 05:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 05:19:06 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.a1.65ca000f (2519) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:19:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=_JGBGZxPtOYo4RvLUmFcDDViBAWduau_S6mf4oB0utz2lu0aYgmH X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the original RCT. I hope you enjoy it here. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@comcast.net Sat Aug 27 06:45:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73370 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 13:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 13:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 13:45:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 13:45:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:45:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430E5932.2020702@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.218.221.184 From: "Fluffy McFluff" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=KIhRXHYgOs_aKxQuHrnvtQOMBxOROYVPvYB4Ul55Uew2ClyeZ3rN41gxkw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > aelk2004 wrote:Is there anyone out there that's going to want to actually up > and buy the whole entire chain with their debt and their currently > dismal finances? maybe not a park company. what about a company with a lot of capital, like Microsoft or a Bank of America? id love to see Busch, Disney and CF chop up the chain between themselves, but somehow i have a feeling thats a pipe dream. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Aug 27 08:52:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76783 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 15:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 15:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 15:52:09 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03DC9A72 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:52:08 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C21CF1F-12AB-4A8D-B932-35F0DF8EDBE8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:52:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=bhiiyNz-Xn91VmH_KRxQHcrrTWpSIv24D-xsMHzPPw3Hx_Et X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Welcome! This is a pretty easy-going group, I think you'll fit in quite well. This list is also rather quiet, however never be shy about posting anything! Cameron. On Aug 26, 2005, at 13:22, amsmtpk wrote: > Hi All. I have been a coaster fan for ever. I worked at Knott's > Berry Farm back in the 1970's. I plan to relocate to > Albuquerque...so I can live close to Cliff's Amusement Park. THe > N.M. RATTLER is a #10 in my book. Not too high, not too fast, no > loops. THe lines aren't long and it was built around existing > rides. THe sky ride runs along side the rollercoaster. There are > aparment complexes within walking distance.... Also my mother lives > in El Paso close to Sunland Park N.M. That is the new site of the > relocation of Western Playland. The owner, mr Thompson, wanted to > build a coaster years ago but the city fought him on the issue, so > he will open the new park next door to the race track and casino, > Perfect location. I think by a lease contract of a few years he has > to keep the old western playland open as well. Some old rides will > move and some will stay, I will be keeping tabs on both parks and > will let you all know what new and exciting thrills are coming in > the near future. > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your > home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Sat Aug 27 13:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48818 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 20:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 20:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 20:23:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 20:22:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 20:22:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 20:22:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:22:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.137.9.90 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=HFb0onHg8DQ0v-B8YzLjDEmnAzyzIy30Gse7T4l0KIyJUr_JaPc X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred *Best Park in the World 8 years in a row *Best Steel Roller Coaster (Millennium Force) *Best souvenirs *Best game area Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:21:58 AM Cedar Point Press Release SANDUSKY, Ohio, August 27, 2005 - For the eight consecutive year, Cedar Point amusement park/resort was voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" in the recently announced Golden Ticket Awards, a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. Cedar Point's 310-foot-tall, 93-mph Millennium Force was given the honor of "Best Steel Roller Coaster in the World" for the second year in a row and fourth time in the last five years. Three other Cedar Point steel scream machines were also ranked high on the Golden Ticket Award's top steel coasters list. The history-making 205-foot- tall Magnum XL-200 came in at No. 3; the stratospheric 420-foot-high, 120-mph Top Thrill Dragster grabbed the No. 7 spot and the Raptor inverted roller coaster landed at No. 11. Since the initial poll in 1998, a Cedar Point roller coaster has nabbed the top honor for steel roller coasters in every year but one (2003). The Magnum XL-200 was ranked first from 1998 through 2000, while the Millennium Force captured the top spot in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005. Other top honors for Cedar Point include "Best Souvenirs" and "Best Games Area." These two awards are chosen once every three years by readers of Amusement Today. "It's a great honor to win several Golden Ticket Awards this year," said John Hildebrandt, vice president and general manager of Cedar Point. "This recognition is a credit to our staff who work hard to provide our guests with the best day of their summer." The Golden Ticket Awards are presented to the "best of the best" in the amusement industry by Amusement Today, the Arlington, Texas-based publication that reports on international amusement and waterpark news and trends. Amusement park fans all over the world were asked to rate the "bests" in 25 categories, such as "food," "roller coasters," "live entertainment," and "amusement parks." This is the eighth year for the Golden Ticket Awards, which are considered the "Academy Awards" of the amusement industry. Cedar Point is located on a scenic 364-acre Lake Erie peninsula and is home to the most rides (68) and roller coasters (16) in the world. With a history dating back to 1870, Cedar Point is also the second oldest amusement park in North America featuring four hotels including the year-round Castaway Bay indoor waterpark/resort, two marinas, award-winning live entertainment, Soak City waterpark, Camp Snoopy family playland, Challenge Park activity complex with go-karts and miniature golf courses, Lighthouse Point and Camper Village campground and much more. Cedar Point is one of the most visited amusement parks in the country, with more than 3 million guests coming through the gates each season. For more information about Cedar Point, guests can call the park's general information line at 419.627.2350 or log on to cedarpoint.com. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Sat Aug 27 16:12:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71861 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 23:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 23:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 23:12:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 23:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 23:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 23:12:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:12:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3566 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.134.21.142 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Complete results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=iFtrkrCXDC-DqBDG-VwncIPYN0cKJP7WojfSAzW9xCI76lV4RpM X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred PRESTIGIOUS INTERNATIONAL AWARDS HONOR THE "BEST OF THE BEST" IN THE=20 AMUSEMENT INDUSTRY AMUSEMENT TODAY ANNOUNCES WINNERS OF ANNUAL GOLDEN TICKET AWARDS ARLINGTON, Texas, Aug. 27, 2005 =96 They are considered the "Super=20 Bowl" or "Academy Awards" of the amusement industry, and in a=20 ceremony today hosted by Six Flags Fiesta Texas, San Antonio,=20 Amusement Today announced the winners of its prestigious 2005 Golden=20 Ticket Awards. The Golden Ticket Awards are presented to the "best of the best" in=20 the amusement industry resulting from an international poll conducted=20 by Amusement Today. Surveys were sent to a database of experienced=20 and well-traveled amusement park fans around the world =96 in balanced=20 geographical regions =96 asking them to rate the "bests" in 22=20 categories such as "amusement parks," "roller=20 coasters," "shows," "food," "friendliest staff" and "waterparks." This is the eighth annual year for Amusement Today's coveted Golden=20 Ticket Awards, which are the most sought after awards in the business=20 of amusements and attractions. The awards have become the subject of=20 much discussion by park aficionados the world over and have garnered=20 mentions in such notable media outlets as USA TODAY and the Chicago=20 Tribune, by venerable radio newsman Paul Harvey and will be the topic=20 of a unique one-hour documentary on the Travel Channel tentatively=20 scheduled to air in the spring of 2006. "The staff of Amusement Today congratulates the 2005 class of Golden=20 Ticket Award winners and all the parks that rated highly in our=20 survey," says Gary Slade, publisher and editor-in-chief of Amusement=20 Today. "It is with great pride that we are able to present these=20 awards to worthy leaders within our industry and are honored that the=20 poll has evolved to represent the true spirit of excellence among=20 amusement and water parks worldwide." Personally chosen by Slade, the Publisher's Pick Awards were=20 introduced in 2003 and are presented in three categories: Park,=20 Individual and Supplier. Respectively, the 2005 recipients are=20 Disneyland, Anaheim, Calif., for its 50th anniversary celebration and=20 trend-setting innovations; Nick Laskaris of Mt. Olympus Water & Theme=20 Park, Wisconsin Dells, Wis., for his ingenuity in transforming his=20 family park into a total resort destination; and prominent German=20 roller coaster engineer Werner Stengel for his company's remarkable=20 40 years of thrill ride design. New this year, Amusement Today recognized five college students who=20 plan to pursue a career in the amusement industry and are employed by=20 area amusement parks in the ceremony's host city of San Antonio =96 Six=20 Flags Fiesta Texas, Schlitterbahn Waterpark Resort, Sea World and=20 Splashtown =96 as Mr./Ms. Golden Tickets. These individuals exemplify=20 the spirit and integrity of the amusement park industry by promoting=20 the cornerstones of safety, service, courtesy and cleanliness at the=20 highest level, while consistently exceeding job expectations. This=20 will be an annual designation by Amusement Today to promote education=20 in the field of hospitality and amusement, as well as to spotlight=20 future leaders in the amusement industry. Amusement Today newspaper covers international amusement and water=20 park news and trends and in its nine-year history is a five-time=20 winner of various awards from the International Association of=20 Amusement Parks and Attractions. ---------------------------- Complete report can be read on Amusement Today's website: http://www.amusementtoday.com/2005gta82705.html Posted by Fred From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 16:39:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86435 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2005 23:39:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:39:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=YFGk46EV-fnS8v1TEdiePhsreiWhYC1bQM85eteivWo3jC3-6w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred" wrote: > Cedar Point Press Release > > SANDUSKY, Ohio, August 27, 2005 - For the eight consecutive year, > Cedar Point amusement park/resort was voted the "Best Amusement Park > in the World" in the recently announced Golden Ticket Awards, a > prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. > > Cedar Point's 310-foot-tall, 93-mph Millennium Force was given the > honor of "Best Steel Roller Coaster in the World" for the second year > in a row and fourth time in the last five years. Three other Cedar > Point steel scream machines were also ranked high on the Golden > Ticket Award's top steel coasters list. The history-making 205- foot- > tall Magnum XL-200 came in at No. 3; the stratospheric 420-foot- high, > 120-mph Top Thrill Dragster grabbed the No. 7 spot and the Raptor > inverted roller coaster landed at No. 11. > > Since the initial poll in 1998, a Cedar Point roller coaster has > nabbed the top honor for steel roller coasters in every year but one > (2003). I'm so ho hum about this "award" by this point. You'd think CF was generating the results themselves, not just the press release. Holiday World, Europa Park, Busch Gardens, Disney? Not on this list! Chris B From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Aug 27 16:41:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86699 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2005 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m15.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.2b.7a225aff (25305) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b.7a225aff.30425411@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:41:05 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=MaHpxUqUg9bSm24ReuA0U9VwoJltUSJtqb9qn4EF0hQDHVsoRJPv X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Knoebels should get best souvenirs -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Aug 27 20:36:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29260 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 03:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 03:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 03:36:54 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h26so422163wxd for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.52.7 with SMTP id z7mr65808wxz; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:36:54 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=l9rKqM1F9HOMI3wdZ-tENyNgoU5pCJYirll0F7zf1H6UlC7tPvX0W1M X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > I'm so ho hum about this "award" by this point. > You'd think CF was generating the results themselves, not just the > press release. Holiday World, Europa Park, Busch Gardens, Disney? > Not on this list! >=20 > Chris B Seriously. I haven't been there, so I'm not the definitive resource on the subject, but I've had enough experience elsewhere to tell that a lot of it is just way overhyped. Their new giant frisbee tied with SheiKra and Powderkeg for fourth for best new ride of 2005. It looks like a good flat ride, but it's still just a flat ride, and it's not like it hasn't been done before. And is Cedar Point really that clean? They got third for that. Magnum got third of the steelies, and while I've heard some sing it's praises, unless if it's a whole lot better than the Morgans and Arrows I've been on, I find that hard to believe. And what kinds of souvenirs do they have that got them first? I'd thought that Disney has some awesome souvenirs, except that they have a lack of particularly interesting apparel. But even with that, the many neat attraction themed toys, the different park soundtracks (my personal favorite), the near-cult following of their pins, Star Tours action figures, Mickey hats, their now very extensive souvenir penny machines (at least at DisneyLand), etc, all seem to make up for that. Searching ebay brings up a ton of Disneyland stuff, and not much for Cedar Point, aside for some pins, which are a dime-a-dozen with Disney. I blame the Cedar Point fanboys. ;-) Meanwhile, I'm happy about some of the results. Knott's deserves the best Halloween event award, and I imagine that award won't be going to anyone else, aside from IOA occasionally. And at least Europa Park was on some of the lists, though I don't think they won anything.=20 Euro-Mir did manage to get 32nd of the steel coasters. Didn't Hulk get 1st a while ago and a discussion started regarding that (I think I may have started it)? This year it got 19th. Maybe it's because of the death or something? Or maybe a lot of people read my brilliant argument on why it shouldn't have gotten first? ;-) =20 Ryan "Got back from vacation a little over a week ago and made it to Gardaland, Mirabilandia, and Coney Island; slight chance of TR" Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Aug 27 20:40:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97463 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 03:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 03:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 03:40:55 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so416794wxd for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.48.2 with SMTP id v2mr65969wxv; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:40:55 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <430E5932.2020702@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4 Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=NMfPhUWd4jORSMjiQqYtF4kqVcifq0erWolAlrkB_4MoKNC6hHTdPgE X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 8/27/05, Fluffy McFluff wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: > > aelk2004 wrote:Is there anyone out there that's going to want to > actually up > > and buy the whole entire chain with their debt and their currently > > dismal finances? >=20 > maybe not a park company. what about a company with a lot of capital, > like Microsoft or a Bank of America? id love to see Busch, Disney and > CF chop up the chain between themselves, but somehow i have a feeling > thats a pipe dream. The Bill Gates idea has been joked about for years now. Who knows, maybe now is the time? Honestly though, I'll be fairly surprised to see anyone buy up all of Six F= lags. --=20 Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 00:05:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74346 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 07:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 07:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 07:05:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:05:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:05:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:05:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2b.7a225aff.30425411@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VrekS2_SH6P7VF_lNxmBDew3v6sCISp6yc-aVpOCmiP9VB3uYw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > I think Knoebels should get best souvenirs > > -Dainan > > webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan > They certainly kick butt in the T-shirt department. I couldn't choose between about 20 I liked and ended up with 5, way more than I was planning on. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 00:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7307 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 07:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 07:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 07:45:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:45:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Micro TR: BraviSEAmo and Raging Spirits at Disney Sea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=d_XV7U4PwmSMQI7XqcMgHgyP04QwJGhVuKkwL5zJtyEwB0ReMw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The wife wanted to go to DisneySea for the after 6 PM deal (2900 yen) but we got there just after seven, the deal had changed to 4500 yen after 3 PM, and the park was packed to the gills. I deposited her on Fortress Exploration in a great position, with 40 minutes to showtime, figuring to jet up the single rider line in time to get back before the 8:05 show start. I ran back to the Lost River Delta, and both the main line and the FastPass line said that the Single Rider line was closed, so back to Mayumi I ran. When I got to her, she said a cast member had told her the view wasn't very good there and that we should move to the area under the Miracosta Hotel. We had time, so we scooted across the Ponte Vecchio lookalike and scoured back and forth looking for a place where we could even see the water. Eventually, the show started, and we settled for a partially obstructed view behind the mob of people gathered to observe. My review of BraviSEAmo is pretty easy, in three words: Fantasmic is better. Actually it's much better. There are 4 acts to this show, and only three characters / 2 boats. Mickey comes out looking like King Neptune, and describes (in high-pitched Japanese) what you are about to watch: Two spirits, one water, the other fire fall in love. Boat #2 shows up, and you can tell that the water display is intended to look like a female in a gown, but the effect wasn't all that great. Lots of water spray, lights shine and dance, then the barge stops right in the front of the lake (very visibly) so the the "fire spirit" can make it's entrance. Mount Prometheus smokes all day, but it "erupts" for this show. Fireworks and huge plumes of smoke come out of the volcano, and fire races across the surface of the water. A huge animatronic dragon (very different from the Fantasmic dragon, and NOT as impressive, just bigger) rises out of the water and puts on quite a display of fire. Turn the water spirit back on, keep the fires burning, add some fireworks and some more water effects you already saw earlier, and that's the finale. Mayumi was quite impressed, and there were lots of oohs and aahs from the crowd, but both Fantasmic and the similar style show that was at EPCOT were both way better. After the show, we grabbed a bite at Zambroni Bros. My chicken risotto was quite good, but Mayumi, who's obsessed with potatoes, found that she doesn't like gnocchi (potato pasta). The salads were tasty, and the tiramisu was actually quite good. 3100 yen for two meal sets, a mozzarella / tomato salad, (Insalate Caprese it wasn't) and the tiramisu. By this time it was nearly 9, and she wanted to shop at Ariel's Grotto, so she told me to go ride the coaster. I got in line, and waited through one switchback when I saw the single rider line. A nice Japanese lady who noticed I was alone got the line minder to let me in it, as it was open all along. There were about 15 people waiting at the top of the line, and it took me about 20 minutes to get on, a savings of about 70 minutes over the group line. I ended up in the back row. Raging Spirits appears to be identical to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Peril. I rode that in the daytime and backwards, this at night and facing forwards, but I really think the layout is identical. Despite this, I liked the Japanese installation better. I don't particularly love backwards coasters, so that is probably why the preference. No air, minimal positive G's, even in the loop, and it didn't feel particularly "out of control" as the mine cars layout would have you suspect. Oh well, it still counts as #408. I tried to get back in line, but even with 35 minutes before closing and a sub-30 minute wait according to the sign, they had closed off the ride. I tried several other lines (Indy, Scooters, and Journey, but all were closed. I grabbed a Gyoza roll (rice dumpling with tasty sausage filling) since there was no line and previously I had seen the line literally 100's deep. and went and found Mayumi just emerging from Ariel's store. Time to go! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 00:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66753 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 07:54:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:54:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Micro TR: BraviSEAmo and Raging Spirits at Disney Sea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=006AAt7kO1cjWU-qFNjbL-l7REMN4swU_9XiW3c_vJ10sRP_dA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > I deposited her on Fortress Exploration in a great position, with 40 > minutes to showtime, > When I got to her, she said a cast member had told her the view > wasn't very good there and that we should move to the area under the > Miracosta Hotel. Eventually, the show started, and we > settled for a partially obstructed view behind the mob of people > gathered to observe. Sorry to reply to my own post! We should have stayed on the fort. The best views (in order)are from: The top of the Med Harbor Steamer Station (requires additional fee / tour package) Lido Isle and Adjacent to Lido Isle The fort The bridge the entrance to Mysterious Isle. My advice, if you want to see the show, get a lake view room at Miracosta if you can afford it! Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Aug 28 05:46:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88624 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 12:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 12:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 12:46:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:46:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200508280546.AA1520107824@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=WCyuTaNoW4PJWS9NYETzJj32wLxOG6CF0n81xNLjxK_mne72u2w8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Saturday, August 27th, was a fairly noisy day around our house. Across the street at Barnes Airport was the Westfield Air Show featuring lots of stunt pilots and the famous Thunderbirds. So Karen and I took the opportunity to use our season and parking passes for Six Flags New England. The weather was clear and dry, and near 90 degrees. Not a lot had changed since our last visit. The one question that we kept asking was, "How can the Six Flags chain be losing money?" We arrived at about 11:30, and the main parking lot was completely filled. We parked in the new overflow lot to the south. That lot was absolutely huge and was just beginning to fill up. The park was running three trams, one to the front of the first lot, one to the back of the first lot and one to the front of the overflow lot. We decided to walk instead. It was quite a hike.. Once we reached the end of the front parking area, we still had to follow the entrance road over to the bridge across Route 189. The top of the bridge afforded an expansive panorama of the whole park. It has become very difficult for me to remember what the old Riverside Park skyline used to look like. The Six Flags makeover had become so thorough that the only reminders were the Cyclone, Thunderbolt and the Colossus. The entrance was bustling with guests getting tickets and filing through the gates. We showed our season passes. The stone-faced attendant swiped them under the barcode reader. We passed through the security checkpoint and opened our fannypacks for the guard to inspect. The cobblestone entrance area around the carousel was crowded. We turned right, heading down the hill. On the left was a long queue line waiting to purchase Q-bots. I was stunned to see that the park had double the price of renting the nefarious little things: it was $20 per person -- twenty dollars extra so that a guest could get onto a ride in a reasonable amount of time! So if you had already paid $10 to park, plus the $39.99 entry fee, a single guest then purchasing a Q-bot so that s/he could actually get on more than four major rides in a day will have spent $70! How can the Six Flags chain be losing money!? Obviously there must have been a lot of season passholders in the park that day. But even so, there were a heckuvalot of people renting those Q-bots. I can just imagine how angry some parents might feel if they have two kids and spent well over $100 just to walk in the gates, only to waste their entire day standing in lines unless they shell out another $70 (with Six Flags' small bulk rental discount) for a device that lets them cut in front of people who don't pay the park's extortion. (And the people who don't pay for it end up paying for it anyway with even longer waits!) To me, this doesn't seem like the scenario for a good guest experience. As for myself and Karen, we couldn't really complain too much. After all, the park was a short drive from our house and we didn't pay anything extra to park or get in. So we passed by those Q-botters (who, ironically, were standing in a long line in order to avoid standing in lines). The path down to the intersection in front of the Looney Tunes Emporium was thick with people. A small display was set up to advertise the park's Halloween Fright Fest weekends. Giant banners were strung across between the buildings featuring the ubiquitous park mascot Mr. Six. His slightly creepy face was impossible to avoid. We found it more disturbing to look at than the Fright Fest display. We turned left and headed toward the New England Skyway, since there weren't many people in line for it. That whole section of midway appeared so meticulously themed. There were obvious elements, like the gigantic fake shark in front of the Shipwreck Falls queue. But lots of small details, like the fishing nets, oars, life preservers, crates...so many authentic items that I'd expect to see in a real New England fishing village were judiciously placed around all the buildings. I wish they had carried the cobblestone look out to that area, instead of switching over to cheaper asphalt. The Skyway was running just six cabs, so even though the line was short it took us almost twenty minutes before we boarded. The old Von Roll sky ride cabs (which I operated at Riverside many years ago) still reminded me of cat toys, those little ball cages with a bell inside. We sat down inside our cage, rolled out of the station and smoothly engaged the cable. We watched the action from high above the midway. Shipwreck Falls splashed down. The new bright-orange-and-green Mr. Six's Pandemonium coaster spun around its twisty course. After that short ride, we walked across the midway to the park's rapids ride, Blizzard River. We were hot enough that getting soaked would feel really good. The line was moderately long and was moving slowly. Fortunately, the park had strung misters over the main queue line, and that helped keep us cool. After about a half-hour in line, we had arrived inside the giant station, beautifully themed to look like a giant factory building from the early 1900s. There was a sign in the queue warning guests to keep their Q-bots dry, but someone had humorously altered the word "water." The warning took on a whole new and more truthful meaning: "This attraction will expose you to a substantial amount of wate ." And right after we noticed the sign, the ride operator's console started beeping. The two operators looked at something in front of them. And then a pre-recorded announcement blared over the P.A.: "Thank you for riding Blizzard River. We apologize for the delay. The ride technicians have been notified...." Karen and I looked at each other. "We'll give them fifteen minutes," she said wearily. So we waited. I watched the Cyclone travel around, squealing loudly from its dry track. The technicians appeared and then disappeared. The water pumps were shut down. Fifteen minutes passed. We walked out of the queue line. So with over an hour spent standing in lines so far, we decided to get something to eat. We passed by Mr. Six's Pandemonium, which had a really long line. We walked through the nicely-themed Looney Tunes kiddie section. We eventually made our way up to the equally well-themed Crackaxle Canyon area, which looked deserted. A musical revue had just begun, Country Jambouree, and the performers sang to no one except a little girl sitting at a table near the stage. A lot of the concessions in the area were shuttered. Karen and I ordered some delicious skillet potatoes at a nearby stand. Two small orders and two drinks came to almost $17. Then we searched for a place to sit that wasn't in the sun. We found a bench against a wall opposite the show and we watched the performers for a little while. They were okay, singing passably to a synthesized soundtrack. Why have so many parks begun using those annoying Karaoke recordings in their shows? I'd rather hear live musicians. I mean, if the performers are going to be weak anyways, there might as well be live music behind them. I guess not every park wants to be Busch Gardens.... We finished our potatoes and left before the show was over. We walked up toward Houdini, but it was still closed. Even so, there were more people in that area (because of the Tomahawk ride) than in all the rest of Crackaxle Canyon. The park should have put a show in that area (maybe a magic show to go with the Houdini theme). Then they could get rid of that outdoor country western stage. Maybe they could put it inside their barbeque restaurant, and use the outdoor stage area for another ride. We headed back out toward the Looney Tunes Emporium at the center of the park. We ordered two gelatis at the ice cream stand. They were tasty and huge. (They had better be at $5 each!) The Looney Tunes characters had just finished their dance they did every hour or so. At the end of their performances, they would throw confetti. The midway was littered with flecks of multicolored confetti. I was thinking what a mess that must be for the custodians to clean up. But Six Flags was one step ahead of me. The M.C. with the Looney Tunes characters called out over the P.A. system: "Who wants to play a game? Come on! How many of you would like to win a Six Flags V.I.P. pass? Well here's what you gotta do: I'm going to give you two minutes to run around and pick up all the confetti you can find. It's all over the place -- by the gazebo, next to the Emporium. Just pick up as much as you can find, and the one who collects the most confetti gets a V.I.P. pass!" What a great idea! Six Flags can completely eliminate the need for custodians! Next they should have a contest to give a season's pass to whomever cleans the most toilets. While we stood there watching the proceedings, Karen pointed out an odd man. He was rather small and stood with his back to us in the middle of all the kids rushing around picking up confetti. He was wearing a blue Six Flags staff shirt, baggy jeans that didn't quite seem to fit him and big sneakers that appeared to be unlaced. He also wore a bright and rather unkempt Superman cape. He just stood there as if he was lost. He sort of looked like Pedro from the movie "Napoleon Dynamite." Then he slowly shuffled off down the midway past Captain Rivi's. He probably didn't fit most people's conception of the Man of Steel. The Main Street Gift Shop was loaded with Mr. Six merchandise. It was bordering on overkill. Added to the magnets and T-shirts were Mr. Six snow globes, candies and a new assortment of bobbleheads in various dance positions. That ugly little man was inescapable. The shop also featured a wide assortment of Six Flags-branded toys, including three types of motorized roller coasters and water "rides." In many cases those same toys were available at retail toy stores at nearly half the price. Why would anyone buy them at Six Flags? Wouldn't it make more sense for Six Flags to sell them at a slight discount? We made our way through the park's Rockville section. Once again, there was nice theming throughout that area, from the old "TV and Appliances" arcade to the chrome and neon Diner. We walked past the big Wilderness Excursions sign and queued up for the Poland Springs Plunge. It was one of the older rides remaining in the park, and was formerly known as the Red River Rapids. When it was installed, it was one of the few flume rides in the northeast. It was also one of the ugliest. The gigantic holding pond in front of the ride was just that, a huge shallow concrete pool. The trough was set on top of crushed stone, out in the blazing sun. It looked shabby and barren. And to top it off, the ride was really short and the lift was really shaky. But Six Flags had actually improved the look of the ride considerably. The holding pond could still have used a nice fountain in the middle of it, but it at least had some water cannons that guests could trigger. There were also some small plastic ducks floating around. The meandering trough was now completely engulfed by cattails and other marshy weeds. It really gave the feeling of floating along down a small creek. The only thing to break the illusion was the massive Hurricane Harbor waterpark that loomed over the ride to the right. We got only slightly damp from the splash (even though someone shot a water cannon at us), but it was refreshing. We passed by the painful Mind Eraser and the intense Batman: The Dark Knight. Instead we headed for Colossus to get a scenic view of the park and the Pioneer Valley. We probably could have even seen the Westfield Air Show. But we didn't get a chance to find out. There was a deceptive new queue line snaking tightly next to the entrance, and it was filled. Even though this was potentially the highest capacity ride in the park, they were once again using only a dozen seats. It would have been another long wait in the sun. Why was shade such a rare commodity in this park? Instead we decided to walk down to the DC Comics area. We took a right by the Mind Eraser only to discover that the old shaded bridge leading to Tiny Timber Town was still blocked off. The whole area we were in was a dead end. So we backtracked and walked through the nicely-themed Tiny Timber Town kiddie area (which probably would have fit in better in Crackaxle Canyon) and then down the long stairway into the DC Comics section. Poison Ivy's Tangled Train was now so surrounded by trees, bushes and ivy that it was nearly invisible among the foliage. Superman: Ride of Steel was running both of its trains, so we headed over to check out how long the queue was. Unfortunately, it was probably an hour or more wait -- mostly in the sun.. Karen was starting to get heatstroke. We stopped into the Superheroes Cafe for something to drink, but the line there was incredibly long as well. So we called it a day. We walked the long winding path under Superman and out of the DC area. We stopped into the Looney Tunes Emporium, thinking it would be air conditioned. But it wasn't. Karen got a small bottle of Diet Coke and I got a small bottle of water for $3 each. We looked at some of the merchandise. There was a really nice cast resin sculpture of Looney Tunes characters riding a roller coaster. It was about eight inches high and cost $150. I passed on that. Karen and I dragged ourselves up the hill and out the exit gate, up the long stairs across the bridge and over to the tram, which dropped us off at the first parking lot. We walked the long distance back to our car. The overflow lot was filled. Once again we asked aloud, "How can Six Flags be losing money?" I don't know how many more people would have comfortably fit in that park. With the crowded midway, brisk Q-bot business, outrageous food prices and high souvenir costs, I would have thought Six Flags would be making money hand over fist. And yet it was just announced that the company is putting itself up for auction. Go figure. Maybe the parks should have more contests to make guests work in the restaurants and do ride maintenance too. Or maybe there's something else more basic. After three and a half hours in the park, we managed to ride just two rides. There was nothing else to entice us. We don't enjoy spin-and-barf rides and the coaster lines were too long. That didn't leave much for us to do. For the expansiveness of the park, there was very little variety to the activities. The old Riverside had the train, the Jungle Cruise and the Monorail along with the Sky Ride, Antique Cars and Colossus. The last three remained at Six Flags, but they weren't worth the interminable wait in line. We considered checking out the magic show that was in the Rockville Gym, but I wasn't really inspired after seeing the country revue. Even if we had found a shady spot outside to sit and relax, we would have been happy. The only place we could find was a hard wooden bench against a building. So instead we chose to go back home. Will we return to Six Flags? Yes, because it's basically free for us and it's nearby. Will we get a season pass next year? Maybe, because it can get us into other Six Flags parks too. But at some point, even the amount of a season pass won't be worth the rapidly decreasing amount of fun we're able to glean from the parks, no matter how much Mr. Six would like us to believe otherwise. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From amsmtpk@webtv.net Sun Aug 28 10:43:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50887 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:43:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1011 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "amsmtpk" Subject: THE MOTORCYCLE CHASE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=fERfY68AOSbfDa96exI2UXoLtwt7RmtRK2B_FIVLqYRoGg X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk Oh My Gahad..... That wast the most intense ride when it opened. The track on the pack side was a series of jack rabbit hills... The ride was 4 monorail racing tracks with only cycle on each track. When the riders left the station the first thing was a short hill that had a break at the middle. THis insured that all cycles got a fair start. HOWEVER, the front rider was guarenteed to have his crotch slammed into the gas tank of the cycle... THe ride was great until the last curve into the station that ended with a quick bunny hop track up and onto another break. THe person riding behind would then plant his front teeh into the back of the head of the rider in front.... THe ride soon closed and smoothed out the track and made a train of three cycles... boring.... then it went to soapbox racers. way boring. Now if the soap box derby had the original track then it would have been a hit.... (I ran the rides in Fiesta Village and spent my lunch break watching the roaring 20's area... way fun. From amsmtpk@webtv.net Sun Aug 28 10:55:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3038 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 17:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 17:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 17:55:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 17:55:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 17:55:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:55:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 976 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "amsmtpk" Subject: Western Playland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=yPFerqQt9lR61RkQWqkxQfeJm9mpV7-6UWruH2-2OXehNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk I will be going to El Paso this week. I will drive by the new WesternPlayland and report what I can see. It is suppose to open in just about 3 months. Has anyone been to the exixting park in El Paso? ...Has anyone ever been to Cliff's Amusement Park in Albuquerque? THe new Western Playland claims that it will be the largest amusement park in N.M. I have already seen the plans for the rollercoaster that Mr. Thompson wanted to build at the existing park. It looked like a coiled up snake... I'm sure he will build something spectacular just to get back at the El Paso city council. Now that Western Playland is moving out of state, the mayor thinks that a roller coaster might be a good tourist draw..(duh). They went back east to see about purchacing a used coaster from an existing park. I don't know the details of that, but I will try to find out more when I visit El Paso. ANy city that doesn't have a roller coaster is certainly missing the boat. ....... From amsmtpk@webtv.net Sun Aug 28 11:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30097 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 18:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 18:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 18:05:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 18:03:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 18:03:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:03:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "amsmtpk" Subject: WILD RIDES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=A7TfW2Z_F5_8LnkoCjPGlu5PzTgNH9LOjMsDp_V6l3AL_w X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk Take a look a www.hussrides.com Click on giant rides. One ride is called "JUMP2". There are short video clips of the rides in motion. From dougjnelson@comcast.net Sun Aug 28 11:50:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18870 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 18:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 18:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 18:50:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:49:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508280546.AA1520107824@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.218.221.184 From: "Fluffy McFluff" Subject: Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=z5Kfl2CyWy-2BA6BzEsceRB2TR6I1i0wQGoe-BCdiUS0dqATcYOJRy6hWw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > So Karen and I took the opportunity to use our season and parking passes for Six Flags New England. The weather was clear and dry, and near 90 degrees.> Not a lot had changed since our last visit. The one question that we kept asking was, "How can the Six Flags chain be losing money?" We arrived at about 11:30, and the main parking lot was completely filled. We parked in the new overflow lot to the south. That lot was absolutely huge and was just beginning to fill up. The park was running three trams, one to the front of the first lot, one to the back of the first lot and one to the front of the overflow lot. my one trip there this year was in june on a sunday(yeah, i never wrote a TR for it. my bad), and it wasnt bad at all. must have still been early enough maybe the local schools were still in session maybe? >It has become very difficult for me to remember what the old Riverside Park skyline used to look like. The Six Flags makeover had become so thorough that the only reminders were the Cyclone, Thunderbolt and the Colossus. wish i could have visited it back then(though ive heard some horror stories about the condition the park was in before SF bought it. are those stories true, btw?). but yeah, if i had my choice based solely on atmosphere, i like canobie better. >The Skyway was running just six cabs, so even though the line was short it took us almost twenty minutes before we boarded. The old Von Roll sky ride cabs (which I operated at Riverside many years ago) still reminded me of cat toys, those little ball cages with a bell inside. We sat down inside our cage, rolled out of the station and smoothly engaged the cable. ive never actually rode this before. is it worth standing in line for? >We watched the action from high above the midway. Shipwreck Falls splashed down. The new bright-orange-and-green Mr. Six's Pandemonium coaster spun around its twisty course. ugh. i rode that thing once, and that was more than enough for me. as my first spinning mouse, it was terribly intense, especially the end spins as it goes back into the station. still, a nice addition to the park overall. just not re-ridable, to me anyway. > After that short ride, we walked across the midway to the park's rapids ride, Blizzard River. never rode this either. lines always seem too long. >"Who wants to play a game? Come on! How many of you would like to win a Six Flags V.I.P. pass? Well here's what you gotta do: I'm going to give you two minutes to run around and pick up all the confetti you can find. It's all over the place -- by the gazebo, next to the Emporium. Just pick up as much as you can find, and the one who collects the most confetti gets a V.I.P. pass!" What a great idea! Six Flags can completely eliminate the need for custodians! Next they should have a contest to give a season's pass to whomever cleans the most toilets. freaking billiant, i agree! > The Main Street Gift Shop was loaded with Mr. Six merchandise. It was bordering on overkill. Added to the magnets and T-shirts were Mr. Six snow globes, candies and a new assortment of bobbleheads in various dance positions. That ugly little man was inescapable. The shop also featured a wide assortment of Six Flags-branded toys, including three types of motorized roller coasters and water "rides." as much as i like Mr. Six from a marketing standpoint, i dont think i could ever purchase anything with his pic on it. of the things i bought there in june, none of his stuff was purchased. >Maybe the parks should have more contests to make guests work in the restaurants and do ride maintenance too. Or maybe there's something else more basic. After three and a half hours in the park, we managed to ride just two rides. oh man, i coughed soda up my nose on that one! you might have a great idea there, though!! >There was nothing else to entice us. We don't enjoy spin-and-barf rides and the coaster lines were too long. That didn't leave much for us to do. For the expansiveness of the park, there was very little variety to the activities. when we first moved to boston, we got a SF pass for the first couple of years. then we stopped, since we didnt really feel like we were getting our money's worth. it just doesnt warrant return trips, unless it was literally in our backyard. >The old Riverside had the train, the Jungle Cruise and the Monorail along with the Sky Ride, Antique Cars and Colossus. again, i wish i could have seen the train and monorail. seems in most parks, these are the centerpieces of the park, what encompasses them. at least for the old-timey parks. i may not even ride them, but i still like seeing them go by and knowing they are there. > Will we return to Six Flags? Yes, because it's basically free for us and it's nearby. Will we get a season pass next year? Maybe, because it can get us into other Six Flags parks too. But at some point, even the amount of a season pass won't be worth the rapidly decreasing amount of fun we're able to glean from the parks, no matter how much Mr. Six would like us to believe otherwise. agreed. i know there is not a lot of room to expand for any really big new rides there(and until all this financial selloff stuff or whatever gets settled, i imagine it will be a long time before that happens anwyay), but i find SFNE really "cold" and unfriendly. whereas i can go to canobie of lake compounce numerous times and at least enjoy the atmosphere if the lines are too long to ride anything, i cant do that at SFNE. i hadnt even planned on going this year, but a friend of mine had never been and wanted to go with someone who had to show here around, so i went. so yeah, i do agree with your assessment, jay. wish you had had a better time. here's hoping the SF chains has a light at the end of their tunnel. From jophish17@comcast.net Sun Aug 28 12:10:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79066 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 19:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 19:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 19:10:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2005 19:10:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:10:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=3H4yAdCokstIof6UGSEJkM-PN9ZXS_Fd-xI8-UzvD6Ka6t3u X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks wrote: > Their new giant frisbee tied with > SheiKra and Powderkeg for fourth for best new ride of 2005. It looks > like a good flat ride, but it's still just a flat ride, and it's not > like it hasn't been done before. I disagree with you on that point a lot. Certain flat rides are just incredible experiences, and there are quite a few that I enjoy more than most roller coasters. I think its feasible for maXair to be better than SheiKra and Powder Keg. But anyways, these are just the Golden Tickets, its been said over and over before, they aren't very accurate in terms of what the majority of enthusiasts actually believe. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Aug 28 13:47:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13493 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2005 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693AE9A6F for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:47:49 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90FC5A01-A0F9-4290-B480-D16C13FD7AFF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:47:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Golden Ticket 2005 - Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=_i6OnoSvYL-H66zlHZ5ohvtO6G0bK_ko_8jc_522J7uFABSZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Ryan, > Seriously. I haven't been there, so I'm not the definitive resource > on the subject, but I've had enough experience elsewhere to tell that > a lot of it is just way overhyped. I have been there, and I agree that it's way over hyped. I just don't get Cedar Point .. I've been twice in the last few years, and had a pretty average time there on both occasions. Sure their operations may be good (not great), but (with few exceptions) their rides are pretty ho-hum. I've had far better visits to places like Kennywood, Holiday World, and Hershey. It really seems like the Golden Ticket awards are not so golden .. I'd bet there's some money changing hands in the background, sponsorship or advertising or some such. Best way to judge the parks is to go there and see if yourself. I for one won't be returning to Cedar Point for a long time. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 29 05:42:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80558 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 12:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2005 12:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 12:42:38 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AF09A6F for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:41:35 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <980AEDED-7206-4C22-9C4D-B9DE122EC69B@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:41:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: On-Ride photos of Shivering Timbers - June 2000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=TFqBZsqNmFeW5z2dI-V1FBCZXEgG_3c1VeHAWhJNwUeXOQVg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Some more of Duncan's scans .. while not as amazing as the ones from 1978, I particularly like the fish-eye photos towards the end: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/michigans_adventure_2000/ Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 11:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40234 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 18:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2005 18:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.200) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 18:29:26 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j2so627895nzf for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.129.10 with SMTP id b10mr681948nzd; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.101.16 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:28:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <980AEDED-7206-4C22-9C4D-B9DE122EC69B@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <980AEDED-7206-4C22-9C4D-B9DE122EC69B@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] On-Ride photos of Shivering Timbers - June 2000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=9aUKDqEztpKM0UMCP_u1YJZVwi4YIpM5dDusKho3jPHeDZ8eKU1A X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I am a big fan of the jackets..... -Josh On 8/29/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > Hi, > > Some more of Duncan's scans .. while not as amazing as the ones from > 1978, I particularly like the fish-eye photos towards the end: > http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/michigans_adventure_2000/ > > Cameron. > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 29 12:28:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72910 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 19:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2005 19:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 19:28:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:28:32 -0700 Message-Id: <200508291228.AA1834811598@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=M05nyvB0iv8VwBJqMgwsQnh6LmRDcN46Yps_sPVbvS3jvEc8383F X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > early enough maybe the local schools were still in session maybe? < Sundays are often slower at the park for some reason. Yeah, schools were in session till the third week in June. > ive heard some horror stories about the condition the park was in before SF bought it. are those stories true, btw?). < That depends on what you heard, I guess.... I have an extensive video I shot at the park the year before Premiere bought it. I actually like the look of the place, in a sort of misty-eyed nostalgic way. But the park was the butt of a lot of jokes. It was a sea of relentless asphalt. Rides and booths were pushed off to the sides of the midway. It was like a four-lane highway ran down the middle of the park. No trees, no nothing. It was really industrial. The buildings were generally devoid of color, often painted in either white or gray. When the water slides were put in where Blizzard River now stands, the color scheme was beige. Colossus has always baffled me. It's still the same color as it was during the Riverside years: white with light blue supports and cabs. That thing should be a festival of color. It's huge -- why not make it attractive. Why not -- here's an idea! -- put LIGHTS on it? So the park was safe and relatively clean. But it looked ill-planned and a bit neglected. It was common knowledge that Carroll loved his NASCAR racetrack (which existed where the DC Comics area is now) and tolerated the park. It showed. Now in the really older days, when Carroll's father ran the place, it was splashed with color everywhere and had lots of fun rides, including that amazing walk-thru fun house, the mine train ride and the original jungle cruise. It was pretty spectacular. But little by little all the fun stuff disappeared. One of the strangest additions was the heavily-advertised "International Plaza," which was basically a giant white dome with a couple of food booths in it. At least it provided shade. I think the "international" offerings were pizza, tacos and potatoes. > i find SFNE really "cold" and unfriendly < Ironic, isn't it? Even though there's a lot more color than in Carroll's day, it feels more barren for some reason. Smaller family-owned parks, even when they're a bit run-down, somehow exhude a charm that the major parks just can't duplicate. >ive never actually rode this before. is it worth standing in line >for? < The best part of the Skyway is getting pushed out of the station. You sit sideways in the cabs, facing east or west. You can't see the cable above you. So it appears that the ride operator has just pushed you off the edge of the building to certain death. The ride does go pretty high up, so if you have even slight acrophobia it'll make you sweat. >ugh. i rode that thing once, and that was more than enough for me. < I think I'll go back one more time in the fall to ride Mr. Six, simply to compare it with Kennywood's Exterminator. I just don't want to wait two hours to ride the thing. >never rode this either. lines always seem too long. < It usually is, and Blizzard River is pretty much a cheap shot as far as rapids rides go. The only time you get wet is at the end, when you're doused with water cannons and float under two torrential waterfalls. I like the theming (originally about Batman's nemesis The Penguin), and when the misters are working in the trough it's really disorienting. But Thunder Rapids at Lake Compounce is a much better overall ride. >as much as i like Mr. Six from a marketing standpoint, i dont think >i could ever purchase anything with his pic on it. < Yeah, I'm wondering if the ad campaign has backfired. Last year I wondered why the chain hadn't capitalized more on the character. Now I know why. He's just plain creepy. Why is he in a tux? Karen suggested putting him in a Hawaiian shirt. The character certainly is memorable, but probably not in a the way he should be. I wonder why the chain hasn't leaned more heavily on the Looney Tunes characters to advertise the park? > these are the centerpieces of the park, what encompasses >them. at least for the old-timey parks. i may not even ride them, >but i still like seeing them go by and knowing they are there. < Exactly. They give the park a sense of heritage and permanence. >whereas i can go to canobie of lake compounce numerous times and at >least enjoy the atmosphere if the lines are too long to ride >anything, i cant do that at SFNE. < Bingo! That's exactly my point. It could be that Karen and I don't represent the general paying public, but what we want is a place we can just go and chill for a bit. Ironically, that's what my parents did with me; they'd take me to a park and sit in the picnic grove while I and my friends would ride all the rides. So there was something to please all the age groups, and it really was a family outing. I notice that a lot of parents now simply drop their kids off at Six Flags. They can't be bothered going in. If that's the case then it isn't a true family park. Maybe that explains why Six Flags is in dire straits, but Knoebel's is doing great. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 29 12:56:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10353 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 19:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2005 19:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-4.cisco.com) (171.68.10.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 19:56:25 -0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Aug 2005 12:56:07 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7TJtCZd023901 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:56:02 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:56:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200508291228.AA1834811598@karenandjay.com> References: <200508291228.AA1834811598@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:55:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2005 19:56:02.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF090CD0:01C5ACD3] X-Originating-IP: 171.68.10.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rl-75h03odyKHmT7PEECQT6tgbvknVZNhSGqV1jwnUIZYGO3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> i find SFNE really "cold" and unfriendly < > > Ironic, isn't it? Even though there's a lot more color than in > Carroll's day, it feels more barren for some reason. Smaller > family-owned parks, even when they're a bit run-down, somehow > exhude a charm that the major parks just can't duplicate. But charm doesn't bring in people .. You like it, and I do to (I'll take Indiana Beach over Cedar Point any day) .. but charm doesn't make money, sadly. Everything has to be big, loud, extreme and in your face. Thankfully the craze of putting X's and Z's everywhere seems to have passed! > Yeah, I'm wondering if the ad campaign has backfired. Last year I > wondered why the chain hadn't capitalized more on the character. > Now I know why. He's just plain creepy. He has always given me the willies .. and I agree that it's kind of backfired. It seems (to me) that Mr. Six has become more popular than what he's being used to advertise. It's like the Budwiser frogs .. everyone wanted their own Budwiser frog shirt .. but I don't think it sold a whole lot of beer. > Bingo! That's exactly my point. It could be that Karen and I > don't represent the general paying public, but what we want is a > place we can just go and chill for a bit. I think it's safe to say that's exactly the opposite of what the general public wants! > I notice that a lot of parents now simply drop their kids off at > Six Flags. Six Flags Great America in Gurnee is really "unofficial day-care" all summer long. It's awful. Not only is the park full of people, but it's full of grotty, idiot teenagers. Then I go to Kennywood .. a park without season passes .. and it was just blissful! Sure, it was busy .. but it was all families and "bench-sitters" (as Beth puts it). It was the type of crowd that gave the park atmosphere, without the long lines. > Maybe that explains why Six Flags is in dire straits, but Knoebel's > is doing great. I think "Dire Straits" is going a bit far, the company has really done a lot over the last year or so to pull itself out of the gutter. I will continue to say that in a few years it'll be Cedar Fair who is struggling, while Six Flags will be thriving. Although I doubt that will change your opinion of their parks! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Start wearing purple * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** for me now... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 10:57:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91504 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 17:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2005 17:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 17:57:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2005 17:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2005 17:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2005 17:56:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:56:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1C21CF1F-12AB-4A8D-B932-35F0DF8EDBE8@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SvRqwoH9P-Ld-3CXcn7PVMBAq7tITr4aZAjhGI5_n1nPb3g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: SNIP > This list is also rather quiet, > Uh, Cam, I hate to bicker (ya, right), but... 250 post a month is not what I call "quite" :p -Alan From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Tue Aug 30 14:28:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57361 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2005 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m15.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.199.465aed40 (3310) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199.465aed40.30462951@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:27:45 EDT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=bDqdaMcIeNLi5o001PFniIHUxe1BRAejMC5Ufre1EW1nBt1i6Bhc X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage that occurred at the park? Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 30 16:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53697 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2005 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EAFed-0002uV-QG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:36:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4314ED87.1070003@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:36:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b9107dd1edce05219cda0c3fe6c4db8a7782350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LU7bY6bmRpT0F_WLb5p8-V9220D_mcS5SJ8mZL2cAkKFXyI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash aelk2004 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: > SNIP > > This list is also rather quiet, > > > Uh, Cam, I hate to bicker (ya, right), but... > 250 post a month is not what I call "quite" :p > Well, compared to how busy we've been at times in the past, for those of us used to the 15-25 posts a day that we would get from the group, yeah, we're quieter than we used to be. Though it's interesting that it seems a lot of the coaster sites have shown a slow down recently, particularly those that have been around for a while. In any case, welcome to the list! Enjoy your stay, and don't hesitate to offer your input or ask questions. We're easily one of the friendliest coaster discussion groups out there, and I'm sure you'll see that after you've been here for a while. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 30 16:39:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8550 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 23:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2005 23:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 23:39:14 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EAFh9-0004yZ-Sr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4314EE24.6060109@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:39:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <199.465aed40.30462951@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <199.465aed40.30462951@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b910a6cec12596d54872a71fd37f75a4c03c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=c4UR-ulcb7BIhWnX5aQYxBXV7LTm6fU7hl-oIpA-Rtt5KcE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder7nyfl@aol.com wrote: > Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage that occurred at the > park? > I don't know if anyone has any real clue about how the park is doing or how it came through. It may be a while before anyone knows to, as the condition of a theme park tends to be a lower priority compared to housing, power, water, survival, and other areas. There may be some info by the weekend, when they're ready to start moving on past the major issues and looking at some of the other aspects of it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 30 19:58:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65044 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 02:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 02:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 02:58:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 02:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 02:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 02:57:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:57:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 13679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Thrille-Ville USA / Enchanted Forest / Oaks Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gFNyQfvbTgxOcFqe05ipGTsrVawYHMkGgp1cErT2jWvewasowg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Thrill-ville USA / Enchanted Forest / Oaks Park Great Northwest Tour - Day 3 August 24, 2005 Whether: Sunny again, high in mid 70's An intigrated photo report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/b3cck Complete galleries can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/769117 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/769157 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/769238 Well, since I have had the chance at some sleep, and I'm not doing this on a bus where I can't see the computer screen, with luck this report will at least look a whole lot better then the last, which really was not up to my normal standards. Oh well, I try anyway ;) Another early morning for another long bus ride, this time to the south of Portland. All three of the parks on this leg of the trip are small, and I wasn't expecting too much, but I was looking forward to Oaks and the KMG Afterburner as well as their Lusse Skooters. But first up was Thrill-ville, USA. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002607-M.jpg (Gotta love the sign :)) We got to the park at about 10:30, half an hour before opening. The park operations manager, Ed, was out at the coaster waiting for us though, and opened the coaster half an hour before the rest of the park just for us, so we got some unexpected ERT on The Ripper, a Schwarzkopf portable ride. The coaster was fun and well maintained, and give the intense ride that you expect from a Schwarzkopf. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002533-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002633-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002285-M.jpg I got a few rides on it and roamed the park before the rides opened. First up was the little kiddie coaster, aptly named the Lil' Ripper. It was you typical Herschell type ride, and gave the typical experience. Our wristbands included a ride on the Go Carts, so I headed over there next. They were decent, I got lucky and got a fast car, and was passing people left and right. The track itself was a small oval, with a couple of little bumps that made things interesting. Over the Go Carts is the Skycoaster, which I did not ride, but was an interesting affair. It actually used an old crane to hold riders, which I though was certainly a different and creative way to put together such an attraction. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002340-M.jpg Next I went over and rode the Rock-O-Plane. I had never been on one of these before, so was delighted to see one here and get my first ride. It was nice looking and maintained well (all the rides in this little park were). I played around with the brake and got some decent flips, but not any repeated flips. I guess that is a learned talent. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002179-M.jpg A bunch of the group had gone over to race on the giant slide, so I joined them. This slide was nice and smooth, and in this case, weight has its advantages, and I skidded to the bottom before everyone else. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002811-M.jpg Next to the slide was an older model Octopus, one with the single cars on the ends of the arms. This was a wild ride. The ride op had it running a long time at insane speed, and you got a ton of fast, heavy G spinning. I was truly impressed, I didn't think an Octopus could be this good. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003012-M.jpg To finish up my hour at the park I took a ride on their miniature train. It is a fantastic looking little diesel looking train. It was also the slowest miniature railroad I have ever been on. I guess it was to make up for the very short track or something, but this thing crawled along the rails at a slower pace then I could walk. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34002699-M.jpg The park staff was very good, friendly and enthusiastic. The Octopus op was especially good, not only running a great ride, but also asking how the ride was and making sure we were having a good time. You could tell that he liked his job and the whole staff cared about their little park. Up next was Enchanted Forest. The drive to the park was not long, it is literally next door to Thrillville. Enchanted Forest really surprised me. I knew it was a kiddie park, with really just four adult attractions, but the three I would ride were quality attractions. The park itself sits on the side of a forested hill, and they make good use of the hill, with shrouded paths that hide what is ahead and give a cozy feeling to the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004122-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004225-M.jpg Off to the left of the entrance is the Storybook Land part of the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004623-M.jpg I at first walked a bit of it, but decided it would take too long (it took me an hour to photograph the one at Idlewild), so I turned back down the hill to the main gate. I headed up the hill the other way towards the clanking noise of the roller coaster, the Ice Mountain Bobsled. It was a unique steel coaster with enclosed bobsled like cars. The station looks like an Alpine chateau that you step up into. After about a 15 minute wait I was on the ride. The trains on the ride are funky, they are single seat affairs, much like the small Schwarzkopf coaster next door, and you sit down and a Plexiglas cover is closed over top of you. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003462-M.jpg I got lucky and was able to ride up front. You ascend the chain lift up into a mountain that is shrouded in mist where you pick up speed and shoot out of the mountain into several twists and turns. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003479-M.jpg There is a second lift before another series of turns and then finally back into the station. It is an interesting and fun ride, though it jerks you around a little bit, but it was much more then I expected, and it uses the hilly nature of the park to great effect. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003502-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004301-M.jpg Up the hill a little further is the Big Timber Log Ride, the park's star attraction, and it earns that status well. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003548-M.jpg It is a nice long ride, with a great drop as well as a coaster like dip. One nice thing that park does is have loaner ponchos in the station that you can put on if you don't want to get real wet. I didn't mind getting a little wet, so I forwent the ponchos. You ascend a chain lift and are dropped into a water trough in the typical sawmill type building. The ride zig zags around, dropping down a small drop, high above the rest of the park, before making a fast drop down the hill, and then back up, like a roller coaster (it is actually listed in RCDB). It is a very cool drop, but not the big one, that comes after a quick right turn, and you drop down a long hill into the water. The water mostly splashes out, so you don't get too wet, just enough. This is one of the better log flumes I have been on. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003609-M.jpg But, it was not my favorite attraction at the park. That honor goes to the park's outstanding Haunted House walk through. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003728-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004051-M.jpg It sits hiding behind the rees on the hill, a perfect location. I was really surprised by this attraction, I did not expect such a long, dark walk through in a park geared towards kiddies. I had tried to take some pictures, but without a tripod I couldn't capture the looks of it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34003939-M.jpg It is a very long, complex walk through though, with great scenes and gags, including holograms and anomatronics, and everything was working. I would say it was on par, if not better then, the walk through at Indiana Beach, and alone makes a visit to the park worth it. I had just enough time to briefly check out a few of the small attractions, like Geppetto's Workshop, another walk through geared to the smaller set with some neat little stunts, like a holographic gnome that kids can reach in and try to catch. They also had the Indian Caves, a maze, and the Dancing Fountains show, which I caught a glimpse of. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34004557-M.jpg I grabbed a quick bite to eat, and then it was back to the bus. An hour after leaving Enchanted Forest we were in the parking lot of Oaks Park. I was looking forward to Oaks, expecting it to be a highlight of the trip, but I left a little disappointed, but not too much so. I was excited because Oaks boasts a KMG Afterburner, as well as Lusse Skooters, a pair of flats that are just awesome. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34008671-M.jpg After a short search, I found the ticket office (we did not actually come in the front gate, but a side gate, so I didn't know where it was), and then headed for the Skooter building at the other end of the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/769238/3/34115598 The park screams classic, with a long midway, anchored at one end by the coaster, and the other end with the roller rink, all on the edge of a river. It, like the rest of the parks on the trip, was small though. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34007298-M.jpg I got to the building I found cars that did not look like the Lusse Skooters I know and love, instead having these antique car bodies that, upon further examination, were made of fiberglass. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34007330-M.jpg But, once a I sat down in one, oh yeah, it was a Lusse all right. You could tell the chassis was nice and heavy, with a big steeling column and motor under the hood. Even better, it ran like a Lusse, nice speed, hard hitting, and I think because of the light body, this cool skidding action that allowed me to fishtail around the corners. The area was smaller then at Knoebels, which meant you couldn't really get to full straight away speed, but the cars still hit hard, and as I rode later, there were a bunch of kids that were taking no prisoners, making for some fun, hard hitting rides. After my spin on the Skooters I just worked my way down the midway, hitting the kiddie coaster Zooooom, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34007226-M.jpg an Octopus which was a pale comparison to Thrill-ville's, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34007394-M.jpg and their darkride, the newly themed Lewis and Clark, The Big Adventure. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34115610-M.jpg It was marked as new for June, 2005. I don't know what it was before, but they probably should have stuck with the old theme, whatever it was, because this one was pretty bad. Across the way was the Scream'n Eagle, their name for their KMG Afterburner. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34008560-M.jpg I love Afterburners, when run properly, they are, in my opinion, the best pendulum ride out there. This one was not run properly. In fact, it was not driven at all, but was running an lamest program possible, with just a few swings at full power and a very short ride cycle. The ride ops did their best to pump up the riders, though there were few, the park was pretty dead, and they were having a good time, but I guess ignorance is bliss, because I thought this one was right down there with Hershey's Claw in terms of intensity, and I know this ride can be soooooo very powerful, it is a crying shame to see one run like this one. I made my way to the other end of the midway and took a ride on the Looping Thunder Coaster. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34008743-M.jpg It was one of those little portable looping numbers like at Seaside and Ocean City (both Ocean Cities actually), dull, painful, and only worth the credit. I neglected to ride the Rock-O-Plane across from the coaster, which I understand was a mistake as I was later told that it was much looser and could be flipped better then the one at Thrill-ville. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34008764-M.jpg I instead made my way back to the other end for more Skooter action, with a stop at the Carousel, an old Herschell-Spillman model. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34115571-M.jpg It ran pretty well and had a very unique managerie of animals, including a kangaroo, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34007677-M.jpg cat, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34006556-M.jpg giraffe, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/769238/3/34115673 ostrich, rooster, and my favorite, the sea dragon. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/34115548-M.jpg I finished the last half hour on the Skooters with the same group of kids through most of it, so the ride op was letting us stay on (as he said, the park was dead, there was no point in making everyone get off and walk around), stopping the ride momentarily for new riders, and instead of the obligatory recitement of the rules, was simply saying "you all know the rules, don't break 'em." The very last ride was a fantastic one, with several from the tour, including Dan and Meredith, all having a great extended ride. I could have stayed on them another hour after a ride like that, but alas, it was a long drive back to the hotel, with a longer ride the next morning to Silverwood in Idaho. I liked Oaks, but I think the rides could have been run a bit better, expecally the Sceam'n Eagle. The park could also benefit greatly from a small wooden coaster, to really complete the classic look and feel of the place. Maybe I was hoping or expecting too much from it. It is a nice classic park though. Final trip report coming soon :) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 30 19:59:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4854 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 02:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 02:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 02:59:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 02:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 02:58:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:58:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8016 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Enchanted Village / Fun Forest, Aug 23, 05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=c4hfeKEL694NccLiuV0SS7kDZ0qUuQUx4UtbV9JmKjILXhmNuw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Subject: TR: Enchanted Village, August 23, 2005 Date: 8/25/2005, 3:53 AM From: Nathan Brown Great Northwest Coaster Tour Day 2 - Enchanted Village August 23, 2005 Weather - Early clouds, then sun, mid 70's Due to lack of time and sleep, I am not including the pictures within this report. If you would like to see them, you can find them here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/757435 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/754331 This morning was our late morning, as we headed out to Enchanted Village, a mere three miles from the hotel. Enchanted Village is a nice park, if not very large, but it does have a fine wooden coaster in Timberhawk. We got to the park at about 9:00 for a 9:30 ERT session on the ride. at about twenty after, park PR greeted us and lead us back to the coaster, which is on top of a hill at the back of the park. It is a pretty looking ride surrounded by tall evergreens. They had one train running, which was enough to fit everyone in the group. The seats seemed a bit tight, they were nicely padded, but the seatbelts were really tight, and varied from seat to seat. Also, the belts had poorly placed buckles, they ere inside, right up against the seat divider, which made them difficult to fasten. But, the crew was very good, they were friendly and enthusiastic. They did a nice job for the ERT. The ride itself? I like the ride. It is not very intense, but it is fun, with some airtime and lateral G's. The front gave a decent ride, with one hill giving massive ejector air, but I liked the ride better in the back, where they forces were spread out along the entire course. I pretty much stayed in 3.3 for most of the ERT. After ERT, most folks stayed to get a few more rides before the GP reached the back of the park, be I decided to check out the rest of the park. Nearby was the paratrooper, but oddly, hey did not allow single riders, so instead I headed down the hill and to the Wild One The Wild One is an Arrow loop screw that originally started its life at Rocky Point Park in RI. After about a 15 minute wait, I got into he station and found Tony waiting near the front. I hopped in line with him, and after the next train we were on. The do something interesting here, they give double rides. I don't know why, but when you come into the station, they ask anyone that wants to get off to raise their hands, and after a quick recheck, they run it through again. Does this make it a six inversion coaster? In any case, the ride was not back at all, not smooth, but I did not get banged up, which made the reride enjoyable as well Tony and I headed back up the hill to the Ring of fire. I think this is the first time I have ever seen one in a park. It is also the first time I have ridden one in at least 15 years, but they were not hanging you upside down, so I figured why not. Tony and I squeezed into this tiny little seat (again, no single riders, they had a lot of that at this park) and we were off. the ride was actually pretty enjoyable.. Across the walkway was a Falling Star, so of course I couldn't pass that up. It was run pretty well, with decent speed that threw you around a bit with some ai time as well. We walked toward the back corner of the park. Tony had already ridden the Kiddie Coaster, but I hopped about. It is a little Zamperla powered coaster and was relatively fun Next to it was the giant slide, which is built upon the hill. Several of the other folks from the tour were on it now, racing down it, so Tony and I rode it as well. I lost :( Further back in the park we found the mouse coaster, but it was closed at the moment with a mechanic feverishly working on it. I would open up later in the day, and it is one of the better mice I have been on. It is a Zamperla as well (there seem to be a bunch of Zamperla rides in this park), and had no braking on the course, only at the end, the the turns were fast and sudden, and he hills vicious. I really like this mouse, wish more were run like it. In the far corn of the park is their splash own ride, the only water ride in the park outside of the waterpark attraction, and Timberaxe, a Zamperla Hawk with just one arm. Tony hopped in the front seat, and I headed for the other side. The ride was also run pretty well, a decent cycle, and not too much hanging, but just enough. Tony wanted to ride again, but I decided once was enough for me, and instead did a little walking tour of the park and the water park. I regret not bringing my bathing suit, as the water park looked pretty good, with some really neat looking body slides and some unique attractions like zip lines. The waterpark was much more crowded then the ride park, but the lines did not look too bad. We really had more time in the park then we needed, and by noon I had done pretty much everything there was to do, save the mouse which didn't open until about one, so I just wandered about, catching a reride here and there, and just enjoying the day, sometimes with the company of others in the group, and other times alone. t three we left the park n went for a little surprise visit to Puyallup. The fair there was closed, so we just parked and took some pictures from the outside. unfortunately the fair opens at a time when the rest of the area parks are on a weekend schedule, making the fair unfeasible. The Coaster there looked pretty fun though, with a neat double down (or is it a double up?) and a pretty tightly knit course. The tour headed back to the hotel for a short layover before getting on our way for downtown Seattle and he Space Needle and Fun Forest, a small carnival area located at the foot of the Space Needle. A group rate of $11 each gets you to the observation deck, 520 feet above the ground, and offering a stunning view of the area. I pent about 15 minutes up there gazing at the surrounding city before heading down and browsing the steeply overpriced gift shop, where I settled on buying nothing, so I headed for the rides. I ran into Dan and Meredith contemplating on what rides they wanted to do, and bought tickets, 20 for $17, and then the three of us headed for the Windstorm. This is a nasty little monster, not really painful, at least not to me, but it has some brutal curving drops and strange transitions. One ride is all any of us needed. Dan and I decided we wanted to do the booster, and small skyscraper type ride. It was fun, but the girl running it did not know how to rive it, so she was just running it full blast, instead of varying the speed to get some spinning action going Also in the area was an Orbitor, which was pretty good, but not nearly as good as the one at Playland the day before. We used up the last of our tickets on the little kiddie coaster they also had. We roamed around Seattle Center for a little bit and decided to get on the Monorail and go downtown to look for food. The Monorail is a simple affair, it has just one stop on each end of a mile long track. The train was clean and comfortable, but aging, and you can tell the locals don't use it at all. It is a shame really that they have not done anything with it in all these years, and it has a much more airy feeling then an el, and it is fast and quite. When we got on, we found Ron with some local folks. They were Tara and Alex, who are ACE members and Ron had meet at CoasterCon this past summer. They were very nice folk, and the six of us went off in search of a meal. Problem was, the whole downtown area seems to close down early, and even the restaurants down at the market were all closing. We finally found this little Turkish place and settled on that, being that there was nothing else to settle on. We ate and quickly made our way back to Seattle Center for a 10pm bus pickup. Well, next up will be a threesome, Thrillville USA, Enchanted Forest, and Oaks Park. Hope you enjoyed. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 30 20:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38634 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 03:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 03:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 03:02:22 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C100E9A6F for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AD3774E-0317-49DA-B829-7B8B0740E38C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:02:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4PK7UAX8bfYJbx3foGrJRAYtb84nKWCs1P2KX4RWUaKtxyYL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Alan, >> This list is also rather quiet, > > > Uh, Cam, I hate to bicker (ya, right), but... > 250 post a month is not what I call "quite" :p Well, sometimes entire days go by without a post. I wasn't trying to imply that it's a bad thing .. I actually like how little noise we have here. It means that I actually read almost 100% of the posts. Compare that to most forums, where I'm lucky to sit through 10% of it all.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Aug 30 22:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23463 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 05:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 05:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.200) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 05:46:35 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i26so99785wxd for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.41.5 with SMTP id o5mr20773wxo; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:46:34 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Enchanted Village / Fun Forest, Aug 23, 05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=GKScVLLbr-h9taUa44ojnHMuYG3TxB1im5MBMNpoZj8VjFu6RtNOVGA X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > I ran into Dan and Meredith contemplating on what rides they wanted to > do, and bought tickets, 20 for $17, and then the three of us headed > for the Windstorm. This is a nasty little monster, not really > painful, at least not to me, but it has some brutal curving drops and > strange transitions. One ride is all any of us needed. I sure hated this ride. The main reason was that the steel lapbar bruised my legs. And I've really enjoyed Santa Cruz's Hurricane, so I'm not really sure what the deal was. Here's my short TR on the park, ratings from -3 to +5 (archived on the geocities site): July 9, 2001 Fun Forest Amusement Park: +1.5 The only reason this got the same rating as Belmont Park is because it had some other okay rides like a swinging ship, log flume, Ferris wheel, carousel, tornado, and some other stuff. I bought enough tickets to ride the Windstorm steel coaster twice. Why'd I buy enough for two rides? Windstorm: -2 Ow. Ow, ow, ow. This is probably the worst coaster I've been on, except maybe some kiddie coasters. It was your typical steel portable coaster without any loops. It had a similar layout to the Hurricane at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, but had a horribly painful steel lap bar that left bruises. The ride operators were horrible, too. They didn't put down the extra lap bars where no one was sitting, and one of the operators was yelling at the other one not to send off our train but he did anyways. Horrible ride. I liked variations on the word "horrible," I guess. Anyways, it was easily my least favorite coaster until I rode Hercules and Flashback.=20 Now it's only my second least favourite, and God willing, soon it may reclaim its place of honour. Your TR's have been a good read. I only made it to The Oaks, Fun Forest, and Silverwood, so it's interesting to see some of what I missed. --=20 Ryan "Finished the Coney Island TR (*gasp!*), now just needs to do the two before it" Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 31 05:03:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68791 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 12:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 12:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 12:03:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:00:13 -0700 Message-Id: <200508310500.AA1939407026@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Pzhv-Vog5oyZJXOBVDbdMOwJM-CfMLSZkVksx-IxdFYu2ZTjba2r X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I think "Dire Straits" is going a bit far, the company has really >done a lot over the last year or so to pull itself out of the gutter. I will continue to say that in a few years it'll be Cedar Fair who is struggling, while Six Flags will be thriving. Although I doubt that will change your opinion of their parks! < You certainly may be right. I'm not a gambling man, so I won't place any bets on it. But Cedar Fair has been in this business a lot longer than Premiere/Six Flags. They've weathered a lot of changes, including the Great Depression and several recessions. And even though the few parks they own are relatively large, they certainly don't have the overhead that Six Flags has. The Point is their biggest maintenance headache, but it's also their biggest draw. Cedar Fair, if they had to, could sell off parks like Geauga and Vallefair or even Knott's, and they'd still be in good shape. But how many parks must Six Flags sell off to remain solvent, and how would that affect the chain as a whole? It's branded as the largest regional park chain in the world. Perhaps if they whittled themselves down to fewer parks (Magic Mountain, Great America, Great Adventure and SFNE), they'd stand a better chance of weathering the storm. Heck, selling off about two dozen parks (if anyone would buy them) would at least make a big dent in their debt load. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 31 05:28:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78371 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 12:28:04 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56AE9A6F for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:26:29 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200508310500.AA1939407026@karenandjay.com> References: <200508310500.AA1939407026@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:26:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=vipbFo-vivD2iwwFgjXYdk5TpgbUqWlN2v9CRiMUzs2O3ULq X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Perhaps if they whittled themselves down to fewer parks (Magic > Mountain, Great America, Great Adventure and SFNE), they'd stand a > better chance of weathering the storm. Heck, selling off about two > dozen parks (if anyone would buy them) would at least make a big > dent in their debt load. Well that's the thing .. a lot of people are 'suggesting' that Six Flags sell off the under-performing parks. But who would want to buy an under-performing park?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I don't want the world, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I just want your half. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 05:59:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46510 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 12:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 12:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 12:59:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 12:59:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 12:59:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:59:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4314EE24.6060109@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=aULHMEhlmYaM9A-Zgdm5EUWzI466b93YT3-cqVgnhjPmalUG X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm On one of the news channels they keep showing footage (quite a bit) of a theme park. I can never catch exactly what area but it has a large (green?) steel coaster and some extreme rides that usually accompany a SF park. I assume it is what park you are wondering about. From the footage- many of the buildings are at least halfway submerged including many flat rides that you can't even see. Half the interchange on the major highway adjacent to the park is also submerged in water- so much so you can't even see roadway. The footage of the Biloxi (sp) Mississippi is incredible- casinos completely disloged from the foundations. I truly wish them all the best to get through this. It's going to take a long long time to recover back to some resemblence of normal. ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > > Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage that occurred at the > > park? > > > > I don't know if anyone has any real clue about how the park is doing or > how it came through. It may be a while before anyone knows to, as the > condition of a theme park tends to be a lower priority compared to > housing, power, water, survival, and other areas. There may be some > info by the weekend, when they're ready to start moving on past the > major issues and looking at some of the other aspects of it. > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill > ride you'll never want to end. From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 06:01:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73751 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 13:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 13:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 13:01:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 13:01:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 13:01:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:01:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1847 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=eETP2qFVdcw1bGx45kUxD3FdD-thpXuGarFItpSeZvqhch2s X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm It is SFNO BTW- check out FOX- they had the ariel video footage. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > On one of the news channels they keep showing footage (quite a bit) > of a theme park. I can never catch exactly what area but it has a > large (green?) steel coaster and some extreme rides that usually > accompany a SF park. I assume it is what park you are wondering > about. > > From the footage- many of the buildings are at least halfway > submerged including many flat rides that you can't even see. Half > the interchange on the major highway adjacent to the park is also > submerged in water- so much so you can't even see roadway. > > The footage of the Biloxi (sp) Mississippi is incredible- casinos > completely disloged from the foundations. > > I truly wish them all the best to get through this. It's going to > take a long long time to recover back to some resemblence of normal. > > ~Kristy~ > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: > > thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > > > Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage that occurred > at the > > > park? > > > > > > > I don't know if anyone has any real clue about how the park is > doing or > > how it came through. It may be a while before anyone knows to, as > the > > condition of a theme park tends to be a lower priority compared to > > housing, power, water, survival, and other areas. There may be > some > > info by the weekend, when they're ready to start moving on past > the > > major issues and looking at some of the other aspects of it. > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one > thrill > > ride you'll never want to end. From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Aug 31 06:28:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47127 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 13:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 13:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 13:28:05 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j7VDS0OW021773 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:28:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:30:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=-m2w2CusZkT1fSzrkBsrIMXlDDG5XWFMend27YbzWNCouQRdZh0m X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> From the footage- many of the buildings are at least halfway >> > submerged including many flat rides that you can't even see. Half > the interchange on the major highway adjacent to the park is also > submerged in water- so much so you can't even see roadway. > > The footage of the Biloxi (sp) Mississippi is incredible- casinos > completely disloged from the foundations. > > I truly wish them all the best to get through this. It's going to > take a long long time to recover back to some resemblence of normal. > > ~Kristy~ Not to be the bitter one, but I think that the saddest thing is that they have known this could happen for a long time now to New Orleans, and for whatever reason, the city was still very unprepared for it (or so it seems), and a lot of people have died becasue of it. Even documentaries on the discovery channel 5 years ago talked about how screwed New Orleans would be if it got hit by a major hurricane, and from the aftermath, it looks like a lot of the models and predections were pretty accurate. It's sort of like a professor saying that a final is going to be really hard, and you have a couple weeks to prepare and get ready for it... but you think it won't be that hard and you only study 15 minutes for it... and then you're surprised when you get your paper back and you failed. Mike From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Aug 31 06:30:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63192 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 13:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 13:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 13:30:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 13:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 13:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 13:28:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:28:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.154.140.63 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=y731urXBy3QEU0Pmipwxc4zKV5xcTP6Y1IRTYu75ZfR2bYXK5SJIaw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > Well that's the thing .. a lot of people are 'suggesting' that Six > Flags sell off the under-performing parks. But who would want to buy > an under-performing park?! I take it that the notion of "underperforming" is that the park is not doing as well as it could be -- at least that's what it usually means in the stock context. So they'd sell off a park that has potential (good demographics, nearby population, solid infrastructure) to a party or company that could turn it around. That's clearly what Cedar Fair thought when they bought Geagua Lake, and, while they haven't done it yet, they seem to be focusing on some important parts of the park. In other words, I'd rather buy an underperforming park than an overperforming park. I can probably get it for cheaper and there's more upside. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 31 06:54:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40573 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Aug 2005 09:54:34 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,158,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="68487186:sNHT29370724" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7VDs9TQ023258 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:54:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.82.241.61]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:54:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:54:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2005 13:54:27.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[805EAAA0:01C5AE33] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=NuTKOWXEboNW-Lhgm-AuMdRaDI47YwgfDBId3ERov2MItz3K X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Not to be the bitter one, but I think that the saddest thing is that > they have known this could happen for a long time now to New Orleans, > and for whatever reason, the city was still very unprepared for it > (or so it seems), and a lot of people have died becasue of it. But what can be done? No matter how big the levies are, there's always a possibility that the waves can breach it (unless the levy is infinitely tall .. which is impossible!). Plus they tried to evacuate people, but people are stubborn and many refused to leave. I don't think there are the resources to force them out. It is tragic though .. :-( Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Beware of * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Unvisible Zed! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 10:56:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33819 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 17:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 17:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 17:56:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 17:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 17:55:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:55:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Western Playland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uEAkcDLdaYOfh2CqGIL0Biq-k_JDp9rLYH2nAs4VzArruHA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "amsmtpk" wrote: > SNIP < > ...Has anyone ever been to Cliff's Amusement Park in Albuquerque? > SNIP < I've been a couple of times, and I like the park very much. The Rattler is sensational. The Owners are really great people. -Alan From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 11:24:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87156 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 81487 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050831182437.81485.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:24:37 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=4zimIHO9Yz359G6ONSZ8geeLAmUl1d8yW3sB4QPi_4gtSNzH X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > But what can be done? No matter how big the levies > are, there's > always a possibility that the waves can breach it > (unless the levy is > infinitely tall .. which is impossible!). IMO, it's not so much that a levee broke, it has been the inefficient manner that the breaks have been addressed. Even the mayor of NO was on the morning talk shows all pissed off with the lack of coordinated efforts to plug the hole. Plus they > tried to evacuate > people, but people are stubborn and many refused to > leave. I don't > think there are the resources to force them out. Well the could use the National Guard to round up the stragglers...OOPS sorry, I forgot...many of the Lousiana Guardsmen are in "IRAQ"!!! lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 31 11:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25016 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 18:24:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:24:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199.465aed40.30462951@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 130.207.180.13 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=_gXBk-ypj1qpCqkNsH__hfiEt7JaBtu3OgXsgGLODRJGkax_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage that occurred at the park? > > Joe > > Some stillframes of the FOX News coverage have popped up on the internet. They aren't all too clear, but at least you can vaguely tell the type of serious damage that the park has been hit with: http://tinyurl.com/88zow From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 14:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38595 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 21:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 21:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 21:06:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 21:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 21:05:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:05:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8AD3774E-0317-49DA-B829-7B8B0740E38C@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New to the group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1bJQjpivJRrlL6XfWVJxhuxxTlntlWS25WEG86kEEq1dVdY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > >> This list is also rather quiet, > > > > > Uh, Cam, I hate to bicker (ya, right), but... > > 250 post a month is not what I call "quite" :p > > Well, sometimes entire days go by without a post. I wasn't trying to > imply that it's a bad thing .. I actually like how little noise we > have here. It means that I actually read almost 100% of the posts. > Compare that to most forums, where I'm lucky to sit through 10% of it > all.. Hi back at ya' Cameron, And, of course, after posting it, I got to thinking about the other online-groups that some of you belong to, and they can be really busy. But also how "quite" might have been refering to "argumentative", and we know which groups those are. And, this year has been a little slower than previous year, too. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 15:25:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20198 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 22:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 22:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 22:25:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 22:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2005 22:25:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:25:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199.465aed40.30462951@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3kb__lcQ2W0yvA8QL3CkmLj20OA-zPey1DtkSdbCQZHUI-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 My other-half is devistates at what's going on there right now. NO is one of our favortie vacation places, and we were thinking about go there this coming spring. But with all of the possible unseen damage (on top of the visible damage), I doubt that we'll be going now. :( -Alan From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Aug 31 16:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38622 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 23:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 23:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 23:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 6425 invoked by uid 99); 31 Aug 2005 22:59:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20050831225947.6424.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 31 Aug 2005 17:59:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Factory robot retooled as amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=8RVCCk6R7ck0EsRY51iBwK05_7fp6ygJA4JvvS_3H_pNAjp5 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 There is one at Mt. Olympus in Wisconsin Dells, WI Their version does not allow the user to program the ride but rather select from 5 standard ride profiles. The basic level 1 ride is included with the daily admission to the park. Rides at levels 2 thru 5 are $2.00 each. Level 1 is a ride similar to what a typical full size wood coaster would give. Level 5 is a very dynamic ride with many flips, spins and inversions. I rode the level 5 program and found it to be considerably different than the X simulator system rides. In my opinion, the dynamics of the ride do not match anything I could compare to in a real coaster but it does give a very thrilling ride. > Augsburg, Germany -- The Robocoaster from Germany's Kuka Roboter is a > modified version of one of the company's industrial robots that > spins, flips, twirls and swings 2 people through space with a > gigantic arm. "Anyone who can build cars, stack pallets, or pour > metal can also whirl 2 people through the air on a double seat," the > company literature proclaims. > ... > > Around 20 have been installed at amusement parks in the U.S. and > Europe. Legolands in Denmark and California have around 4-6 of the > systems each. > Dave Rounds From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 16:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35171 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 23:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2005 23:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 23:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 65379 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 23:14:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050831231401.65377.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:14:01 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Misc: Hurricane Katrina Damage - Any Pics of SFNO? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=vl68xflF6-fLTFVROW1Dv_zpS5Sx0Z3aDayVF0PMuePPrVUJ X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Joseph Rehanek wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > > Just curious if anyone has any pics of the damage > that occurred at > the park? > > > > Joe > > > > > > Some stillframes of the FOX News coverage have > popped up on the > internet. They aren't all too clear, but at least > you can vaguely tell > the type of serious damage that the park has been > hit with: > > http://tinyurl.com/88zow Yikes! My future uncle-in law lives about 10min east of SFNO. If SFNO looks like this, that doesnt leave much hope for thier neighborhood. And they have such a pretty house.... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 31 17:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32977 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 00:01:22 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8101JGK015722 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <034401c5ae88$4d415640$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <200508310500.AA1939407026@karenandjay.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:01:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0HSylyKw8hUFgV5Y3qhkG3lwK4oJxtQKNjE-KIFWzNzLh6PV7ImtdRmyKw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Perhaps if they whittled themselves down to fewer parks (Magic >> Mountain, Great America, Great Adventure and SFNE), they'd stand a >> better chance of weathering the storm. Heck, selling off about two >> dozen parks (if anyone would buy them) would at least make a big >> dent in their debt load. > > Well that's the thing .. a lot of people are 'suggesting' that Six > Flags sell off the under-performing parks. But who would want to buy > an under-performing park?! It all depends... and just because they SELL a park doesn't mean it will stay a park. They can sell of a park to be demolished and the land used for other things (business, homes, hotels, condos, etc) Or... a park that just may not be doing Six Flags any good could could be a good way for another chain to enter a new market. Paramount and Cedar Fair come to mind here... where they have large gaps where there simply isn't another one of there parks for several hundred miles. Paramount or Cedar Fair could be interested in buying up something like Fiesta Texas perhaps, thinking they could turn it around. The problem is... the way the economy is and with gas prices are out of control now, some parks Six Flags held on to from the old days when Premier Parks just started out simply may not be worth keeping any longer. Frontier City comes to mind, and while I haven't been there myself, it's just a good example of a very SMALL park without much growth potential and they've been ignoring it for so long when it comes to new capital and failing to maintain the attractions that they used to have (Nightmare) that the park may not be keeping itself afloat any longer and is more of a burdon on the rest of the chain. There may have been a good reason that SeaWorld Ohio was sold to Six Flags... other than the fact that Six Flags was willing to pay top dollar to get it. Honestly, I have doubts there is any existing chain out there now who would be willing to swallow a pill as big as Six Flags. Though there are many companies and people with the spare change to give it a try like Snyder. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 31 19:30:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1512 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 02:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 02:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 02:30:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:27:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200508311927.AA2026635572@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: SFNE 8-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Dw72wk3pdT2PLNcjbpe-JLjOFnfWGH3MnNQpLf-mlhZeMNgFkpaI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > But who would want to buy an under-performing park?! < LOL! Who? Premiere Parks, that's who! Remember back in their early days? That was their specialty: take an underperforming park that they'd get fairly cheap and then turn it around into a profitable enterprise. Part of the problem with many Six Flags parks though is that the overhead is so huge just to run the place (maintenance, staffing, etc...) that it would take a lot of wealthy backers in order to raise the capital needed just to open the place. But it's not impossible. Tieing in to the New Orleans posts, Katrina is another kick in Six Flags face. Obviously we don't know the outcome yet, but the chain will probably take a huge loss on that place. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From onhisown@comcast.net Wed Aug 31 19:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24460 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 02:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 02:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 02:48:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 02:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 02:48:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:48:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 510 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.118.229.40 From: "onhisown127" Subject: Mt. Olympus expands season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=_kP3xXKz_lvtlAd4g_zIMfgNoZD5Rc6Y0QumRD5C85bfePG16cU X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 I just received an email from Mt. O announcing that their go-karts, coasters and kiddie rides will be open 7 days a week through mid- October, weather permitting of course. This is a very interesting move, clearly an attempt to compete with Great Wolf and Kalahari. I certainly hope it's a success and will definitely help contribute by paying a visit or two. No mention of what the hours will be, hopefully there will be even more opportunities for night rides on Hades before the season ends. Mark From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Sep 01 05:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49682 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 12:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 12:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 12:36:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 12:35:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 12:35:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:35:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Question: do Zamperla and reverchon have the same parent company? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=4OqUGXgJrS_RK6tDGpJogaVPockHJAQR2JWoP8IEwdv1HSaQqYCRdUg X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Whilst browzing http://www.rcdb.com I saw that cypress gardens galaxy spin ( http://www.rcdb.com/ig3105.htm?picture=9 ) looks very similar to pleasurewood hills' mousetrap ( http://www.rcdb.com/ig853.htm?picture=3 ) Looking at the specs they are identical except for the manufacturer.. http://www.rcdb.com/id853.htm (mousetrap) http://www.rcdb.com/id3105.htm (galaxy spin) So - do both companies have the same parent, or is it just a coincidence?? Thanks Daniel From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 05:42:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27433 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 12:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 12:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 12:42:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 60095 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2005 12:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20050901124120.60093.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:41:20 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Question: do Zamperla and reverchon have the same parent company? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=IkEzrxJh8e_lc3avsob4OxLfqwkaNkg9UZZnpZ5dN7Q8nJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy No. Bascially, Zamperla and Reverchon worked out a one-year agreement to produce the Spinning Coaster. In 2004, I believe, the Spinning Coaster at SFGAm came from Italy while the Delgrosso's version came from France. After that Zamperla thought it was just easier to cut out the middle man and started producing a competing product themselves. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 08:49:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77436 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 15:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 15:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 15:49:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 15:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 15:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 15:48:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:48:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.71.141 From: "Chris" Subject: Mini TR: Tokyo Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=T0iBipiw-n_17u2HKhzd3h6Iyp45n0KmrzZ2D53rLpBGEORXAA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I met Greg Legowski and his friend Tim from the Piittsburg area tonight for the after 6PM deal (2900 yen) to get my missing Space Mountain credit. I enjoyed hanging out with guys who don't think my coaster 'hobby' is weird, and I got more rides in 3 and a half hours than in my previous ten hour visit (6, versus 5)! We hit Space Mountain. (still a great concept, this one seems different than the California version, the track resembled Intamin's girder shape, and it seems longer, smoother, and a bit faster.) We hit Poo's Hunny Hunt. (No clue what the story was, as it's all in Japanese, but WOW! what a head trip of a ride, and I wish I knew how it works!) The suggestion that if you have to skip a coaster to ride this, it is worth it, depends on your take on dark rides, but I can easily see skipping Gadget's Go Coaster for this. We hit the extended roller skater, Gadget's GC. A walk-on, after the two hour wait on my last visit! We ate dinner (Plaza Pavillion, counter service, not too bad, not too expensive), then hit Splash Mountain. (Different than both the CA and FL versions, but I don't remember the Paris one, so I can't compare that one. We hit Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. (Better than I remembered, and more extensively themed as well.) Just before 10PM, we jumped into Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters. Fun, not thrilling, but fun. (I got 77,600 points. I'll let Greg tell you what he got, IF he wants to admit that I beat his and Tim's combined total!) I just want to say that it was nice to FINALLY meet someone from the group, and sorry for having to beat the hasty exit. (And Tim, I hope you found the Emporium!) Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 09:44:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74629 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 16:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 16:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 16:44:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 16:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 16:43:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:43:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Worker Killed At Long Island's "Adventureland" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pZ2M5QuFqnOCDIfhvCsWj9lGHOuuxmDH1ux4cK27PT9FmBk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 01, 2005 1010AM WINS http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_243134001.html FARMINGDALE, N.Y. -- A teen-aged worker was struck and killed while=20 operating a kiddie roller-coaster on Long Island, the third fatal=20 accident at an amusement park in New York this month, police said=20 Wednesday. Stephen Gary, 18, of North Babylon, died at about 5am Wednesday at=20 Nassau University Medical Center from internal injuries after being=20 struck by the Lady Bug Roller Coaster the night before, said Paul=20 Gentile, GM of the Adventureland Amusement Park. The accident happened at about 10:45pm Tuesday while the roller- coaster was operating without passengers, Gentile said. The coaster had just let passengers off and was traveling about 5mph=20 toward a pickup point for new riders further down the track when it=20 struck Gary, said Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick, commander of the Suffolk=20 County homicide squad. It was not clear how or why Gary was on the=20 track; police said it was not required for him to be on the track to=20 operate the ride. Part of the front car, which Fitzpatrick said weighed "well more than=20 several hundred pounds," ended up pinning Gary beneath the ride. The park spokesman called Gary a "wonderful kid" and noted that he=20 had worked at AAP for 2 years and had been operating the Lady Bug=20 ride for several months. Besides detectives from the Suffolk County homicide squad,=20 investigators from federal Occupational Safety and Health=20 Administration and the state Labor Department were at the park on=20 Wednesday; OSHA was expected to lead the probe because the death is=20 considered an "industrial accident," officials said. Gentile said the roller-coaster has been at AAP for 8 years, and=20 approximately 150,000 people ride it annually. He said there had=20 never been an incident or problem with the ride previously. It was the 3rd death of a person at an amusement park in New York=20 state this month. Last week, a worker died while setting up midway rides at the New=20 York State Fair in Syracuse. Eric Frigin, a full-time employee of=20 James E. Strates Shows, was working under a ride called The=20 Enterprise when the supports shifted and the ride fell on top of him. Earlier this month, a 7-y.o. boy died at Playland Amusement Park in=20 Rye after he slipped through a 14"-wide gap in the Lady Bug Roller=20 Coaster's floor and became wedged under its conveyor belts. Robert Lillpopp, a spokesman with the state Department of Labor, said=20 the Lady Bug will be reinspected before it is allowed to resume=20 operations, but he did not estimate when that would be. ---------- =A9 MMV Infinity Broadcasting Corp. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 10:21:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25857 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 17:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 17:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 17:21:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 17:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 17:21:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:21:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: News: Six Flags - Who Will Bite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GXEg-q-U0nrXNmJET8M-WIC3gc3s9bnUrdUyyspHx0vW9mE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 30, 2005 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05083004.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz How many roller coasters can you fit in your pocket? If you've got=20 enough change on you, Six Flags has some to sell. The chain of 30=20 regional amusement parks officially put itself on the bidding block=20 last Thur, a week after Dan Snyder launched a proxy battle to take=20 over operating control of the company. The stock soared on the news. Back in May, shares could be had for as=20 little as $3.72 a stub; they have gone on to nearly double. In my article last week, I wrote about the operator's untapped=20 potential. So now that the company is officially for sale, who might=20 step up to the plate? Snyder's Red Zone obviously leads the pack. He=20 wouldn't have proposed a tender offer to grow his stake to a little=20 more than a 3rd of the company if he didn't believe it would be worth=20 more down the road. I'm fairly confident that Disney, the world's most lucrative theme- park operator, won't bite. Sure, it's tempting. Disney can spend as=20 much as $1 billion to build a new park, so picking up 30 properties=20 at a tenth of the price per park might sound like a good deal. But=20 given the costs involved in getting the parks up to Disney's high=20 standards and the potential for significant brand dilution, don't=20 expect new CEO Bob Iger to take a gamble like this so early in his=20 tenure. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney inquires about=20 buying 6F's Maryland location to dust off the America-themed park=20 concept it abandoned years ago. Cedar Fair is another possibility. Like Disney, the company behind=20 Cedar Point might try to cherry-pick a property or 2, but that's also=20 a long shot. CF is still reeling from last year's purchase of 6F's=20 Worlds of Adventure, and the indigestion may make it hesitant to bid=20 even for some of the smaller parks in the 6F family. I can't see this=20 Income Investor newsletter pick being willing to go whole hog on 6F,=20 but it may be receptive to a selective nibble here and there. That brings us to Time Warner. The media giant previously owned many=20 of the same parks in an earlier incarnation and its comic book and=20 cartoon characters continue to be a prominent aspect of the 6F=20 experience. One could argue that Stock Advisor selection TW has the=20 biggest reason to buy in so someone else doesn't boot Batman and Bugs=20 Bunny off the lot, but it's also horrendous timing. The company is=20 being pressured to unload assets to increase shareholder value. What about Comcast? The company made a bold, unsolicited offer for=20 Disney last year. Yes, Disney owns juicy cable television properties=20 like ESPN and the Disney Channel that would be highly lucrative to=20 Comcast, but one has to imagine that Disney's theme parks may have=20 also caught Comcast's eye. If you market to the masses, nothing beats=20 a captive audience. 6F attracted 33 million guests last year and the=20 turnstiles are clicking even faster this year. Even though Comcast is=20 a long shot, don't rule it out just yet. See, one of its executives=20 came from Disney - not coincidentally, the one who championed the now- dead bid for the media giant. He knows the theme-park business well=20 and no doubt realizes the value in 6F. Anheuser-Busch - an Inside Value recommendation - is a no-brainer.=20 The brewmeister already owns the Sea World and Busch Gardens parks.=20 The parks offer the company an opportunity to market its products in=20 a lively environment. It's not just clever brand marketing; the parks=20 are also financially viable. Even though the company has sworn off=20 park additions in the past, how can it not at least consider=20 expanding its empire? With 6F open to a friendly merger and A-B=20 already skilled in running parks, it's really just a question of how=20 much the company is willing to pay. Finally, we have Viacom, which owns the Paramount parks. Just as Time=20 Warner used to rely on its parks to extend its studio characters,=20 Paramount has tied rides to movie properties like Star Trek, Top Gun,=20 and The Italian Job. Over the years, Paramount's kid areas have=20 embraced the popular Nickelodeon and Nick Jr. franchises. With 6F,=20 Paramount's parks would grow from 5 to 35 in one swoop. Alas, the=20 timing doesn't feel exactly right here either. Viacom is in the=20 process of splitting in 2 and 6F would be added weight at a time when=20 Viacom is looking to slim down. So what does the future hold? It's unclear. Snyder argues that 6F is=20 a real-estate play, and that is partly true. The company's parks sit=20 on approximately 7,500 acres of land, a lot of which is company- owned. However, going by the $125 million it received when it sold=20 its 690-acre Ohio park to Cedar Fair last year, the math doesn't=20 exactly translate to much of a markup beyond the company's debt load. Still, some parks are also more successful than others. That's why a=20 strategic divestiture may be in 6F's future. Existing park operators=20 might be willing to bid on specific locations that make tactical and=20 regional sense for them. Unfortunately, some of the lesser parks -=20 especially those sitting on valuable real estate - may find=20 themselves razed along the way. It's bad timing even for 6F. The chain is finally getting its act=20 together - it is coming off its 1st profitable spring quarter since=20 2002 and park attendance has been growing over the past 3 quarters.=20 Then again, it's that potential for a turnaround that may attract=20 bidders. Done right, scooping up 6F at a fire-sale price is something=20 that no respectable entertainment giant should scoff at. Who dares=20 picks at these bones of steel and concrete? Stick around. The bidding=20 process has only just begun. ----------- =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 10:22:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62338 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 17:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 17:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 17:22:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 17:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 17:21:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:21:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Six Brides for Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1gvYSq2_PbTU3iScm-oKEsdJ-PIIlRlrpj_VP1wucFhublM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 31, 2005 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05083105.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Yesterday, I reviewed 6 of the more likely suitors for Six Flags.=20 Today, I'd like to name another half-dozen candidates, even though I=20 still believe that Dan Snyder's Red Zone, or more likely a private=20 equity firm, will be the top bidder for the struggling regional=20 amusement park operator. Whatever happens, it's clear that it's time for a regime change at=20 6F. With or without a willing bidder, something's got to give at the=20 helm. The company has squandered its golden opportunity and has=20 denied its investors for far too long. And now even the sale itself=20 has become deep-fried in irony. Consider that one of the companies=20 exploring strategic alternatives for 6F is financial advisor Allen &=20 Co. The problem? A&C's managing director, Stanley Shuman, also sits=20 on the 6F board and was one of the 3 people whom Snyder was proposing=20 to oust in his proxy battle. Conflict of interest, anyone? That's why this battle may prove to be more entertaining than just=20 seeing which entity winds up willing to take on 6f and its gargantuan=20 debt load. Still, there are so many potential callers waiting outside=20 6F's turnstiles that I couldn't just let it rest after going over the=20 usual suspects yesterday. Let's tackle some of the unusual ones today. Sony is a name that makes a lot of sense. Many of its rival movie=20 studio companies have theme park properties. Based in Japan, Sony=20 also sees how Disneyland and Universal Studios have become huge draws=20 in its own country. Sony may be the entertainment conglomerate with the most logical=20 synergies in cashing in on the 6F audience. Sony Music's catalog of=20 artists would find 30 welcome venues to showcase their tunes - either=20 live in the park, or as queue music. In addition, Sony is in the=20 process of launching a massive marketing campaign for its new Bravia=20 high-definition LCD television sets, and you can just imagine how=20 those bland switchback lines for the 6F coasters would brighten up=20 with state-of-the-art Bravia monitors, which could move along a=20 themed ride's story and derive additional advertising revenue in the=20 process. Apple Computer has the greenery on its balance sheet to make an all- cash buyout happen. Given its volatile share price, though, Apple=20 would be taking a real gamble if the market interpreted the=20 acquisition as misguided - even though it wouldn't be. The parks=20 attract the core iPod audience, after all. But for Apple, such a move=20 would be more than just a brand-building acquisition. Apple could=20 also spruce up the parks to promote its flagship Mac business. It=20 could also use its online prowess to do something that 6F shamelessly=20 forgot to do - keep in touch with its guests. From digital delivery=20 of onboard photographs to podcast updates and park reviews, Apple=20 could really turn 6F into an Apple-centric experience in no time. That brings us to News Corp., another media giant that's already=20 built inroads to American youth. Just look at Fox's programming. The=20 Simpsons could spawn its own themed Springfields. Can't you just=20 imagine the potential of Moe's taverns, wild Otto bus rides, and=20 Treehouse of Terror Halloween events? And live entertainment couldn't=20 get any better than American Idol karaoke, could it? Rupert Murdoch=20 has been aiming for the young'ns virally, too, with his proposed=20 buyout of social networking hub MySpace.com. The largest park operator that I didn't single out yesterday was=20 General Electric. That's because when GE swallowed NBC & Universal,=20 the Universal theme parks seemed to become an afterthought. In fact,=20 consider that there hasn't been a single new ride added to the=20 amazing Islands of Adventure in 5 years. GE hasn't been in any rush=20 to change that status. However, if GE ever comes to recognize that=20 its theme parks are an important cog in its conglomerate engine, then=20 it would make perfect sense for the company to buy 6F and grow the=20 reach of its now-struggling NBC network. More suitors? I promised 2 more. There are actually far more than=20 that, but I will wrap up my observations with a pair of firecrackers.=20 XM Satellite Radio and Sirius have no reason to be buying 6F. They=20 don't have the money. Buying the theme park would ground their=20 perceived potential as high-flying investments. But think about who=20 would want the 33 million guests that 6F draws in every year. You=20 can't count on owning the park guests' eyes with visuals, but you=20 know you will have their ears all day long. That's why satellite=20 radio, because of its coast-to-coast coverage, is the perfect=20 speaker. Get the locals hooked on the subscription services. Build=20 out the advertising given the new reach. It's not as outlandish an idea as it may seem. Though, yes, I'll=20 admit that it would make more sense for someone else to pony up the=20 $3-4 billion that it will take to swallow 6F whole, and then make a=20 run to be the exclusive satellite radio provider for the new owner.=20 Even if they are rented, 33 million pairs of ears would be invaluable=20 for satellite radio. ----------- =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Sep 01 11:56:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84933 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2005 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2005 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2005 18:56:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 18:55:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2005 18:55:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:55:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.232 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=PZ0Mni9lPgew9zTRH8TYoS5xWd-ijDAFtPdifcbuhnL-K6DygBw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Six Flags Over Georgia Prepares to Unleash a GIANT 01 Sep 05 10:30 ATLANTA, Sept. 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Six Flags Over Georgia is preparing to unleash a GIANT in 2006. Soaring over 200 ft. above the park and covering an area 8.5 acres in size, this much-anticipated steel monster will appropriately be called: GOLIATH. Not since the Six Flags Over Georgia's grand opening in 1967 has the park made such an announcement. Traveling over 4,400 feet on a journey that takes over 3 minutes and reaching speeds of 70 miles per hour, GOLIATH will stand as a GIANT among coasters. Beginning on a spot once occupied by the Great Gasp, GOLIATH will serve as Six Flags Over Georgia's new skyline icon, visible for miles around. "Without a doubt, when it comes to thrills, Six Flags Over Georgia has always been the leader in the Southeast," noted Melinda Ashcraft, vice president and general manager, Six Flags Atlanta Parks. "Our guests continue to demand something bigger and better each year and we believe GOLIATH is the answer for both families and thrill seekers." The park's 11th coaster, GOLIATH will be Six Flags Over Georgia's first " hyper" coaster, or coaster reaching over 200 feet in height. Because of its massive height and size, GOLIATH will not fit inside the park grounds and will actually travel outside the park and back. It will be the new welcoming landmark for guests as it screams overhead, just outside the park's front gate. Riders on GOLIATH will sit four-abreast, strapped in bright orange and teal, open-sided trains carrying nine cars each. After the 200- foot ascent, GOLIATH will scream through the park's USA section, and outside of the park into a series of zero-gravity "floating" hills and drops, and a giant spiral. After a sweeping high-bank turn, the ride flies back into the park through several more hills and drops, in order to deliver the biggest thrill in Six Flags Over Georgia history. GOLIATH is so enormous that it eclipses several other rides including the legendary Georgia Scorcher, which will now stand in its shadow more than 50 feet below. Giant oak trees, a unique feature to Six Flags Over Georgia, and natural treasures of the park will remain as more than just beautiful landscaping. GOLIATH will actually send riders up through the treetops and race back down within feet of two giant ponds. GOLIATH was custom-designed and engineered by the industry-acclaimed Bolliger & Mabillard, of Monthey, Switzerland. Known for their quality and state of the art thrills, the same company designed the popular SUPERMAN - ULTIMATE FLIGHT, Batman The Ride, and Georgia Scorcher coasters in the park. Compared side-by- side, GOLIATH eclipses SUPERMAN - ULTIMATE FLIGHT's top height by nearly 50 feet and beats its top speed by over 15 miles per hour. Its length is almost twice that of any other coaster in the park. Construction on this giant coaster has already begun and will continue through the winter. GOLIATH is scheduled to open April 1, 2006, just in time for Spring Break. Season Passholders will be given some of the first opportunities to ride during exclusive ride times scheduled for April. Season Passes for the 2006 season go on sale early at the park's Guest Relations office beginning September 1, 2005. Six Flags is open weekends until October 30, 2005 and will re-open March 4, 2006. For additional information, including hours of operation, pricing, and more, visit sixflags.com/georgia. BATMAN, SUPERMAN and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and (C) DC Comics. Six Flags Inc. (http://www.sixflags.com) (NYSE: PKS) is the world's largest regional theme park company. Through its subsidiaries, it owns and operates a total of 30 parks in North America. Six Flags parks serve 34 of the 50 largest metropolitan areas in the United States. Six Flags Inc. is a publicly held corporation with corporate offices in New York City and Oklahoma City. The company's stock trades on the NYSE under the symbol: PKS. SIX FLAGS and all related indicia are trademarks of Six Flags Theme Parks Inc. (R), and TM 2005. SOURCE Six Flags Inc. From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Sep 01 17:41:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96709 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 00:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 00:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 00:41:48 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j820fkuC004256 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509020041.j820fkuC004256@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:41:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcWvDaZV1awmF7BPRHKUpXCfnZGFawASS2fA In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Tokyo Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=1eaNm6L-96K7Pxvhb008zQ8TFGDFRODit2rBZWL3YCKEw6I X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Yeah, I suck at most of the shooting dark rides. Awesome time, though. That was the last park of a 2 week whirlwind trip, and it was a VERY welcome change to see lines that actually moved. Thanks for coming out, Chris -- it was great to spend a night with a fellow gaijin and actually be able to hold a real conversation. Hunny Hunt is just amazing. I have a few theories on how it all works, but nothing definite. I'd love to know... --Greg From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 17:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64727 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 00:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 00:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 00:52:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 00:52:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 00:52:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:52:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worker Killed At Long Island's "Adventureland" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=oV0acIm4zbSXo7sOuAXs2zf0Qy7Dy4o-2kzpV4RVvODJlOpr_A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > September 01, 2005 > 1010AM WINS > http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_243134001.html > Stephen Gary, 18, of North Babylon, died at about 5am Wednesday at > Nassau University Medical Center from internal injuries after being > struck by the Lady Bug Roller Coaster the night before, said Paul > Gentile, GM of the Adventureland Amusement Park. Wow, that's two killer Tivoli Ladybugs in 2 years! (Last year's death at Nagashima Spaland's Children Coaster being the other.) As always condolences to the victim's families. Chris B From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Sep 01 18:00:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3701 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.203) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 01:00:24 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so270472rne for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.47 with SMTP id d47mr78835rnf; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f3050901180027900c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:00:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worker Killed At Long Island's "Adventureland" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=AWpKbKFVz3CsMBHOXihA0ev8WWuIOYSifwzCVbuphs4swTDV X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/1/05, Chris wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" > wrote: > > September 01, 2005 > > 1010AM WINS > > http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_243134001.html > > > Stephen Gary, 18, of North Babylon, died at about 5am Wednesday at > > Nassau University Medical Center from internal injuries after being > > struck by the Lady Bug Roller Coaster the night before, said Paul > > Gentile, GM of the Adventureland Amusement Park. What's more unprecedented is that the same park had another death today. A woman was thrown from their top scan. http://tinyurl.com/9jrs7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 01 19:06:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13795 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 02:06:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365FE9A7B for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <221F1483-F904-416D-A51F-4BE914700A94@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:06:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=C7dFFqpVEgvqL5Y9djR951WIDqq1e2KZ7zHunWm6iKMjjSDu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I think this sounds pretty great. Are there any plans (artist renditions) online anywhere? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From filipm2@rpi.edu Thu Sep 01 19:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99521 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 02:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 02:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 02:19:47 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j822JkJD019679 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:19:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <221F1483-F904-416D-A51F-4BE914700A94@buzzneon.com> References: <221F1483-F904-416D-A51F-4BE914700A94@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:22:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=AZjtDXMCtfM3iDdbfUpizCBWyJAWkbaRv_z2SluSlKiifbaxorEK X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > > > I think this sounds pretty great. Are there any plans (artist > renditions) online anywhere? > Theres some small pictures and videos that weren't really working right for me on Six Flags' site. The ride looks pretty similar to Nitro (a very good thing if you haven't been on it) except without a mid course brake run. http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overgeorgia/rides/goliath.html Mike From coreyml03@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 21:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82135 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 04:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 04:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 04:06:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 04:06:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 04:06:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 04:06:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.34.42.88 From: "corey" Subject: Re: NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=mQkHOYTlMASR4ssJxnGG_31sWClsSaP_gu5RGBGSGEhtPKId X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 for those of you that dont know, SFOG is built near an airport so the rides cant be over 200' tall, even tho the great gasp was 225', so this is as tall as we can go. 6 of the hills will be 0G = airtime. and most important of all ITS A B&M hyper. now all they need to do is take down the ninja and replace it w/ a floorless. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Sep 02 04:44:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71269 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 11:44:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 11:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 11:42:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:42:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050901124120.60093.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Question: do Zamperla and reverchon have the same parent company? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=yhr_QSXJvfviRcobtk8oe_NwCv9AIZz0O8vGocoM5mPSncQWrTzAiis X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Thanks! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > No. Bascially, Zamperla and Reverchon worked out a > one-year agreement to produce the Spinning Coaster. > In 2004, I believe, the Spinning Coaster at SFGAm came > from Italy while the Delgrosso's version came from > France. After that Zamperla thought it was just > easier to cut out the middle man and started producing > a competing product themselves. > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 09:07:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19200 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 16:07:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 16:06:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 16:06:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:06:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7sp88AA2suQeBghUjhwIshSBol5F_6uZkSAjQTdlBgbK6z0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "corey" wrote: > SNIP < > now all they need to do is > take down the ninja and replace it w/ a floorless. Oh Boy Corey, You've left yourself open for some bashing on this one! ;) -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 09:15:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11803 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 16:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 16:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 16:15:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 16:14:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 16:14:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:14:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Judge may hold Conneaut Lake Park in contempt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GYv18-a35wnLuFseId-bwCGP6he3AROqSc0z4ZQn4WaRvcg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 2, 2005 Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/story.asp?id=4577 By Keith Gushard Conneaut Lake, PA -- Judge Anthony Vardaro wants information about Conneaut Lake Park's current financial situation, and if he doesn't get answers, he may hold the park's operators in contempt of court and impose a fine. He has ordered the park to supply documentation about its finances by Sept. 9 or face the possibility of being held in contempt. Vardaro put the park on notice Feb. 15 that it had to submit a financial report to the court by July 20, but the park missed that deadline and didn't submit a report until Aug. 18. On Aug. 19, the judge issued an order declaring the long-awaited report incomplete and ordered the park to immediately comply. The incomplete financial report covers only to July 5 this year, showing the amusement park still losing money and its debt load increasing. Vardaro's order issued Tuesday expressed frustration over the matter. "Despite this court's orders of July 27, 2005, and Aug. 19, 2005, the Trustees of Conneaut Lake Park Inc. have continued to not comply with the deadline of July 20, 2005, set forth in the court's memorandum order of Feb. 15, 2005," the judge wrote. "We, thus, do not have any meaningful information to track whether the TCLP have been able to adhere to the debt management plan they proposed as part of their business plan submitted in February of 2005. "This is certainly of significant concern to the court since we rely on the TCLP as fiduciaries to protect the public interest with regard to Conneaut Lake Park. "The concern we have is compounded by the fact that we have received contact from the custodian (who is in place by court appointment to oversee the activities of the trustees and report to the court as necessary) that the trustees are not cooperating with the custodian and in addition to not complying with the court's orders may have taken actions within their fiduciary capacity without proper orders of court," Vardaro wrote. LeRoy Stearns, the custodian, said with the judge's new order it would be inappropriate for him to speak on the matter. "I'll reserve my comments until the day of the hearing," he said. Terry Deitz, chairman of the trustees' board, said he hadn't seen the order and wouldn't comment on it. Conneaut Lake Park came under court management when the original board dwindled to one member. Membership fell when one board member sued the rest over an agreement they made with a former owner of the park. That litigation has been resolved and the park has been declared a charitable trust. However, until the park has paid off its debts or shows progress in meeting those obligations, it remains under court supervision. --------- copyright 2005 The Meadville Tribune From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 02 09:21:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45706 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Sep 2005 09:21:28 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,164,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="658100225:sNHT29359116" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j82GKfQs014525 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:21:11 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:21:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <221F1483-F904-416D-A51F-4BE914700A94@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:21:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2005 16:21:11.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[54C783A0:01C5AFDA] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YZQZcWkjyMP4IehRSSWU0kMccQItRJileUSd2wYL0CeQhTF1 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Theres some small pictures and videos that weren't really working > right for me on Six Flags' site. The ride looks pretty similar to > Nitro (a very good thing if you haven't been on it) except without a > mid course brake run. Looks great .. really. Surprised that it's only going to run two trains, though .. On Raging Bull the crew often has one train ready to go just as the previous train reaches the top of the lift. There will be lots of waiting around in the station... (Thankfully the station looks nicer than Nitro, though!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Dental plan! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Lisa need braces! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 10:17:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51653 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 17:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 17:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 17:17:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 17:16:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 17:16:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:16:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Roller coasters under fire after child fatality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5R1P4--yThNVyTpFwq03xyb7XW5nHEyDFKYXyAd7M-zLGHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/30/2005 The Northern Iowan http://fp.uni.edu/northia/article2.asp?ID=3D3632&SECTION=3D1 ORLANDO, Fla. =96- Amusement-park rides can be terrifying. In fact,=20 scores of roller-coaster enthusiasts would be sorely disappointed if=20 they weren't. But many medical doctors and researchers dismiss allegations that the=20 physical forces the rides exert are dangerous. Though some rides can go faster than 100 mph, the physical stress=20 they put on the body is not very great =96 less in some cases than=20 everyday experiences, such as dropping into a chair. The worst after-effect for most thrill seekers is a spinning head and=20 a racing heart =96 not nearly enough to keep them away. Though amusement-park rides seldom hurt anyone, questions about their=20 safety persist. Critics say that not enough is known about the impact=20 the spitfire twists and turns, dives and accelerations have on=20 people's bodies, and especially their brains. "If everything is=20 functioning properly, there is no reason to worry about taking a=20 ride," said Dr. Douglas Smith, director of the Center for Brain=20 Injury and Repair at the University of Pennsylvania. "If you are=20 really worried about brain injury, use your seat belt on the drive to=20 the amusement park." Amusement and theme-park rides can alter gravitational forces,=20 commonly called G-forces. A roller coaster increases the pull of=20 gravity on a body as the ride races through its course, but Smith=20 said the increases are short and the G-forces aren't typically=20 dangerous. Disney World's Mission: Space, which made headlines recently because=20 a 4-y.o. died after collapsing on the attraction, spins riders in a=20 giant centrifuge that subjects them to 2 G's. "As rides have evolved,=20 the sophistication of the safety systems has developed," said Dennis=20 Spiegel, president of International Theme Park Services in Ohio. "The=20 evolution won't stop. It's what the people want, and it's what the=20 theme parks want to deliver." --------- =A9 Northern Iowan 2003 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 02 10:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3449 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 17:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 17:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 17:24:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 17:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 17:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 17:23:52 -0000 Date: 2 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <1125681830.127.96860.w120@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: With the hype of a new "hyper" in the air what is the best hypercoaster in the US? o Desperado o Magnum XL o Apollo's Chariot o Superman-Ride of Steel o Phantom's Revenge o Nitro o Raging Bull o Goliath (SFMM) o Steel Force o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1959158 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From jophish17@comcast.net Fri Sep 02 12:08:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50275 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 19:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 19:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 19:08:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 19:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 19:08:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:08:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=3MmqI8dqFsRfaiY6DR7UwyYKUPkZ_Uq-kOsJ_tPBnK6Cll6e X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone wrote: > > Theres some small pictures and videos that weren't really working > right for me on Six Flags' site.... If you or anyone else is having trouble with the video, I have a downloadable MPEG file on my site: http://sfog.parktrips.com/ The size is about 38 megs but you won't have to worry about streaming it through SixFlags.com. A couple of photos from the announcement are in there as well. I am quite excited :-) From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 02 14:18:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17513 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 21:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 21:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 21:18:07 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBIvH-0000OD-15 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: <4318C18E.30309@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:18:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b91047d9611e4a72e7db6466898d9be08372350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New B&M's Hyper Coaster at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3Hgi2gaIU8Y70y2-kMT5h0m9Iy3BLRZPDe7pCttOKM9i3dc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash aelk2004 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "corey" > wrote: > > SNIP < > > now all they need to do is > > take down the ninja and replace it w/ a floorless. > > Oh Boy Corey, > You've left yourself open for some bashing on this one! ;) > -Alan > I don't know. While I'm not a big fan of the floorless gimmick, it would be far better than that hunk of junk they call Ninja there. It's about as bad at SFStL's version keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@comcast.net Fri Sep 02 15:24:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27642 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2005 22:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2005 22:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2005 22:24:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 22:24:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 22:24:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2005 22:24:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:24:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.218.221.184 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: SFOG 2006? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=i0ZAScUojF36W0dOHXDaLeANkKxjQdB7hTK35sFgUJI5jZY-q0_QVAE5yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 wasnt sure if i missed this already or not, and if so i apologize for double posting. seems kind of odd for a company with such problems to be building a big ride next year, but; http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overgeorgia/rides/goliath.html From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 02 19:51:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74459 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2005 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j832p3GK022286 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <056b01c5b032$5af73150$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG 2006? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=i5WFnKcuY5EjW2k3jLy3um7mnemY9sWLEmuZghybwjFWbVeW1VzA2UZ99w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > wasnt sure if i missed this already or not, and if so i apologize for > double posting. seems kind of odd for a company with such problems to > be building a big ride next year, but; > > http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overgeorgia/rides/goliath.html Trust me, I think the building of Goliath at SFOG makes much more financial business sense than the building of Kingda Ka at SFGAdv that easily cost twice as much as Goliath, and probably was 100x the publicity headache after the big breakdown and all of the technical problems it is still going through. From filipm2@rpi.edu Fri Sep 02 20:01:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93731 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 03:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2005 03:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 03:01:29 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8331S9k023262 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:01:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <056b01c5b032$5af73150$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <056b01c5b032$5af73150$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:03:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG 2006? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=z1gKH54CclJmgVl-U5217zEAGyfIVF7zhMfecec-iLIqnZv9taZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> wasnt sure if i missed this already or not, and if so i apologize for >> double posting. seems kind of odd for a company with such problems to >> be building a big ride next year, but; >> >> http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overgeorgia/rides/goliath.html >> > > > Trust me, I think the building of Goliath at SFOG makes much more > financial > business sense than the building of Kingda Ka at SFGAdv that easily > cost > twice as much as Goliath, and probably was 100x the publicity > headache after > the big breakdown and all of the technical problems it is still going > through. I agree. B&M's seem to be a better invsetment in the long term. Kingda Ka is going to age terribly, cost them tons of money in the power needed to launch, and its only going to be the biggest and fastest for so long... either that, or the novelty will wear off. On the other hand, rides like Medusa and Nitro will age, but it won't be too bad... and they'll still be fantastic rides that will complement the park's coaster collection. And it only takes 3 people to run Medusa (at least it looked that way when I was there last time). Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Sep 02 20:58:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24632 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2005 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 03:58:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2005 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2005 03:58:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:58:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 120 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Look up? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=MP2XPJlx7XZCnon2V9KMsJLjpmLK3M8w4hy_Nr3KnYiB9_8n7g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Has anybody noticed the cute little looping coaster advertising Yahoo! Music at the top of most of the pages? Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 04 00:22:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42463 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 07:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 07:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 07:22:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2005 07:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2005 07:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2005 07:22:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:22:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 41 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: QUES: Group site maintenance. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zVK3ZiJKGNrx-QwDnAL8DH_Gp6ug4xR7uICZ5Fb1wlnL_vdgJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 George, how can we add a link? Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Sep 04 11:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87892 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EByz2-0001OM-DK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <431B3922.5080603@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:12:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b910d262cd0e3291efb25d37341aaa13ac04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Group site maintenance. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=c3QhyC57McLQJ4Fh6yRLBX8HJ43vIfVcdK5oVdm_FusVC6k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > George, how can we add a link? > It should be fairly easy. First, make sure that you're signed into Yahoo, then go to the group site. Second, click on the "Links" button on the left side. Then at the top right look for the link that says, "Add Link". Fill in the boxes, and then click on the Add Link button and it should be all set to go. if you're still having problems, let me know what problems you're having and I'll take a look at it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Sep 04 12:35:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88040 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 19:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 19:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 19:35:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2005 19:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2005 19:35:36 -0000 Date: 4 Sep 2005 19:35:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1125862535.448.83436.w104@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: Discussion lists have gone through several changes over the years. When we first started out, email in various forms was about the only way to have topical discussions. Now however there are all sorts of various means, with online message boards being among the most popular and widely used. So I'm wondering, if we set up RCT to also have an accompanying message board, would you use it? I konw that many of the boards and discussion sites seem to have a lot of outlandish rumors, gravitate towards flame wars, or end up with writing that looks like a 1st grader wrote it, so steps would be taken to try to help prevent that. But is it something that you would use and/or like to see. Feel free to add comments here as well as to vote on the poll. o Message boards rule!! Long overdue. I'd be active and tell everyone. o Great idea. I would probably use it, posting here and there and being an active member. o It's a good idea. There are things I'd like to see on it, and would probably be a member o Sounds pretty good. I'd like to see it and see what happens. o Might be a good idea. It has potential o It might work, and it might not. Would like to see more and/or wait and see. o I have some reservations, and don't really like the idea, but would consider it. o I don't really like message boards, but would sometimes read it o I don't like message boards and would not use it at all. o Can't access message boards (for various reasons) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1961119 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sun Sep 04 12:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12841 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 19:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2005 19:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 19:48:37 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so621168wxd for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.15 with SMTP id 15mr25874wxi; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:48:36 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <431B3922.5080603@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <431B3922.5080603@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Disney Music Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=a1VaSOVEHIrkNJwXGRM0VzyPEOZ9ZRSuCZfO6Oh5rbwwzSIfxbJbxcw X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Hey guys, I found this site yesterday: http://www.soundofmagic.com/ It should be interesting to anyone who, like me, enjoys theme park soundtracks. I'm not sure about the legality of it, but they have a good selection of music for download from Disney parks, mostly Epcot and the Disney-MGM studios. Many are from retired attractions, such as Horizons. My favorite is probably the track from Journey to the Center of the Earth at Disneysea. There are also many variations of the Haunted Mansion theme (too many?). My only problem with it is that you have to search around to find all the tracks, and that most of the tracks aren't properly labeled once they're in iTunes, so I've spent a lot of time organizing and titling them on my computer. --=20 Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 05 03:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14002 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2005 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 10:59:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 10:58:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 10:58:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:58:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <431B3922.5080603@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.71.141 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUES: Group site maintenance. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=_gideBDoapmCbYx_yo2xjfm2CA_wZwjdnr0QAZW1PY7eok2iCw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: Then at the top right look for the link that says, "Add Link". > keep on ridin' > George Oh there it is! I was expecting it to be on the left under "Links," like the "Post" is under "Messages." Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 05 04:12:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9020 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 11:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2005 11:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 11:12:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 11:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 11:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 11:11:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:11:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.71.141 From: "Chris" Subject: NON-TR: ACE'rs arrive in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q54P4j-3OWav_3jY1gwjxJa-4B22QSpiTRQHOnBVQjhF5R0eWw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, so far, not too great. I had suggested that they arrive a week or two earlier (September is rainy season), but I was probably too late to effect any change. It rained out Toshimaen completely and Thunder Dolphin and Linear Gale were closed as well. (No surprise on Linear Gale, though, this was my third try for that thing!) Once again it was nice to hang out with folks that "speak the language." Sadly, I am going to sea tomorrow, so I won't be joining the group again while they are here. Good luck guys, I hope it stops raining! Chris B From amsmtpk@webtv.net Mon Sep 05 09:25:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93005 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 16:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2005 16:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 16:25:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 16:25:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2005 16:25:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:25:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "Gary" Subject: Western Playland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=Ic4cG_7Bc-_c4omz4UzWlDQo5uE7GekWW-IWO_yGHUc9Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk I just returned from El Paso where I visited the new Western Playland. Located just across the street from Sunland Park race track and casino. Western Playland plans to open on Dec 2nd to coincide with the horse race season. THe poles for the Skyway are in place. There is a large cement structure that looks like a loading platform for a giant ferris wheel. Quite a few electrical boxes are sticking up around the park area. The main gate is almost finished and some of the buildings within the park are visible as well. It looks like there is plenty of land within the fenced area to build a roller-coaster of great size. Let's keep our fingers crossed. From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Sep 05 19:07:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25556 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 02:07:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:08:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200509051908.AA30146938@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: RCT on Mac X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=twaP99AqrVOq9P1t0xRZL2o8Tt0ToVSrgB_dJUSYmSdxKXhE-upF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For all of you Mac users who have desperately wanted to play the original RCT sets, there's now an answer. I just got a copy of GuestPC from > www.lismoresystems.com < and I now can play the whole RCT trilogy! GuestPC is similar to the pricier VirtualPC, but without the overhead. Granted, I have a dual 1.8 ghz G5 with 3.5 gb of memory. But even so, I was impressed. RCT ran just as smoothly as it used to on my PC, and with full stereo sound. The only drawback is that the default (and only) video adapter resolution available in GuestPC is a rather sad 16-bit 800x600. The game runs fine with it though. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Sep 06 08:55:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57756 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 15:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 15:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 15:55:47 -0000 Received: by mail.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F019D4416@mail.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:54:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: RE: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=rToirxJcPDAd1GaV0FEiY4iXQdgyej76AzXnm64n2OYFCpmdzA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > RollerCoasterTalk group: > > With the hype of a new "hyper" in the air what is the best > hypercoaster in the US? ... > ______________________________________________________________ I won't vote unless the poll is updated to indicate *which* S:RoS is on the ballot. Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 06 11:16:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39449 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 18:16:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:14:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1125862535.448.83436.w104@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2C2CYt6esEUl4OXj1lQHYuPry4hEHEouJRpi0giUXmhPNME X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Okay, So, I've only been on-line since the early 90's, and I still don't if I get what the differance is between this Group-site, and a proposed List- site. And are there any advantages? Could someone clue me in? -Alan From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 06 13:41:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2913 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 20:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 20:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 20:41:02 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECkFZ-00026j-Qu for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:41:01 -0400 Message-ID: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:41:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d296a8a0eb80c89611a5263d6b33e45e96b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=f41GmKus0x7RjOspfoaPTYpG0C3BQS2GKiwQgGUdn64TwT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > Okay, > So, I've only been on-line since the early 90's, and I still don't if I > get what the differance is between this Group-site, and a proposed List- > site. And are there any advantages? > Could someone clue me in? > Well, at this point for all practical purposes, outside of Yahoo we don't have a group or list site. (Group = List in my opinion) The survey though isn't about having a website, which is something that I would love to have, and think we need. But that's a different subject. I've found a couple of services that will provide for a free message board that works pretty well. It doesn't include anything but the message board, and is, essentially, simply a place to post and respond to message. Very similar to what we do now, but it's completely web based, doesn't work through email, and has a different look and features from how our group site works. If you're interested, look down at the bottom of this message at the footer. I've got a sample set up and there should be a link to it there so you can sample and see what I mean. As for the website, at this point I'm really starting to think about possibly looking into a site building service and paying for it and the hosting. Just seems that with my own lack of skills and time, as well as those of others on teh list, that may be the way to go. But that's another topic. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Sep 06 13:51:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20162 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 20:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 20:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 20:51:42 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h26so1634653wxd for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.35.9 with SMTP id i9mr141671wxi; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:51:41 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200509051908.AA30146938@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200509051908.AA30146938@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: RCT on Mac X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=_52G6Cd9VDGFS16aCMUGMliyE2Nfh_TIjiiyHDxfB2lxgYyDscwsGE4 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 9/5/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > For all of you Mac users who have desperately wanted to play the original= RCT sets, there's now an answer. >=20 > I just got a copy of GuestPC from > www.lismoresystems.com < and I now ca= n play the whole RCT trilogy! GuestPC is similar to the pricier VirtualPC,= but without the overhead. Granted, I have a dual 1.8 ghz G5 with 3.5 gb o= f memory. But even so, I was impressed. RCT ran just as smoothly as it us= ed to on my PC, and with full stereo sound. The only drawback is that the = default (and only) video adapter resolution available in GuestPC is a rathe= r sad 16-bit 800x600. The game runs fine with it though. >=20 > Jay I passed this on to the RollerCoaster Tycoon site I visit. They should be pleased to hear about it, since a request just came up for a cheaper alternative to VirtualPC. --=20 Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Sep 06 14:59:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22907 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so907149rne for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.34 with SMTP id y34mr1285753rnb; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f3050906145983b444c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:59:55 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: bethtoons@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=JaET-fFuG_4H8MA5wOMoqObQ2M4tHypiZu5PsUXi0IxM_ogR X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use proboards for another group I'm on, and I like it quite a bit, I also appreciate receiving stuff via email. I think this group being email delivered fills a niche that a lot of the message boards don't. Everyone checks their email, to go to a message board takes a deliberate effort to go somewhere specific on the web. Message boards seem to be a dime a dozen lately and there are several that have been successful. I know the email lists seem to be a dying trend, but I think they still serve a valid purpose. With the delivery options available in Yahoo Groups, how does this group break out? How many individuals get the messages via email in either individual or digest form vs the numbers that are members but keep the list mail quiet and are minimal or no-mail? If there is a strong showing of "active" posters who use the latter, than a message board makes more sense, but if the majority of your active user base is prefering to use the list in it's email form then that's probably not a strong pull for a message board. And I don't know that there's enough activity here to really generate enough traffic to keep both a mailing list and a message board "active" traffic-wise. I guess both systems have their advantages and drawbacks, it really just depends on the audience. I know that the "receive via email" was for me a strong draw for joining this community initially, and while I do frequent a couple message boards now, that's been a more recent thing, and does require that extra step of effort that isn't necessary here. Just some thoughts. :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 06 16:07:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64780 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 23:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 23:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 23:07:38 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2005 16:07:32 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,173,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="339297373:sNHT1711613224" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j86N7OKC012278 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:07:29 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:07:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> References: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:07:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2005 23:07:29.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[C11E2A80:01C5B337] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rNYDLAwr0CXgcHaqqaeTx-7UkPxunw9Je9txmRrkcvSSlmBr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, > I've found a couple of services that will provide for a free message > board that works pretty well. If you're looking for just a message board, then it would take less than a hour to set one up on my site (www.buzzneon.com). However I genuinely believe that for the low volume of traffic this list sees, email is a better platform. A full web-board just seems like over-kill. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Sep 06 16:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20774 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2005 23:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2005 23:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.209) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2005 23:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 36325 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2005 23:14:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050906231436.36323.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:14:36 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:14:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=M3thZL8NxOX1AoMOnvtwE8c0kom0FrvE7gZZhZgPnICL2vYo X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > Hey George, > > > I've found a couple of services that will provide > for a free message > > board that works pretty well. > > If you're looking for just a message board, then it > would take less > than a hour to set one up on my site > (www.buzzneon.com). However I > genuinely believe that for the low volume of traffic > this list sees, > email is a better platform. A full web-board just > seems like over-kill. I wish to echo Cam and Beth (how often doe *that* happen =]). I like msg boards and as many of you know, I am a frequent poster at at least one of them. But I see no reason for this group to abandon the email format. I dont see what benefit the board would have over the emails. Besides, I kinda like that this list is a bit *hidden*. Keeps the list safe from relentless onslaughts by flaiming trolls. lata, jeremy --who notes that the ugly long-haired toll dolls are making a comeback ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 06 18:54:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27969 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 01:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 01:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 01:54:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 01:54:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:54:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <431DFEE2.3030500@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hNnwBtu1OWggSna3y5_g7OwQBYhID7iSp_Z1zxy4NTowec9p2A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I've found a couple of services that will provide for a free message > board that works pretty well. It doesn't include anything but the > message board, and is, essentially, simply a place to post and respond > to message. Very similar to what we do now, but it's completely web > based, doesn't work through email, and has a different look and features > from how our group site works. > > keep on ridin' > George I seem to think that we talked about this last year, but didn't actually resolve anything. I use the Yahoo group site for all posting and reading, but I don't see this as being like the other forums out there. Most of the forum / boards out there take a lot more bouncing around to follow all the threads, and get disjointed / off thread topic pretty fast. (Even worse than we do!) I like the Yahoo group, and I think we have quite a few folks who use the e-mail digest version for keeping up with the group. I can agree that a site could be nice to have, but a lot of the things we would like to have are available in the Yahoo site, and this is free! I'd definitely follow this group for any exodus to another format, as even though I have only met one of you, I feel an affinity with this group's members I don't get from other boards/lists/groups. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 05:35:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40638 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 12:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 12:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.163) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 12:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 33730 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2005 12:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20050907123318.33728.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:33:18 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Patriotic Talon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=dZ5jHxWr6V9NwjA4DlKwSU1GCM9dY9ovRVLmfLynqlnXNvU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.worldsoffun.com/public/inside_park/rides/roller_coasters/patriot/statistics.cfm has the WOF layout, it looks like Talon at Dorney moved half-way across the country. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 07:13:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6878 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 14:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 14:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.153) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 14:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 91265 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2005 14:13:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050907141312.91263.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:13:12 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Dragster season may end early X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=7LUPFnuf4NfwRK17dtiCB8PIX3p6gYIeVLHcMgz3dbR4pKY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.pointbuzz.com/news.htm?id=716 Dragster season may end early Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:25:52 AM Cedar Point open for weekends only through end of October, but Top Thrill is sidelined with mechanical problems. By BRANDI BARHITE brandibarhite@sanduskyregister.com SANDUSKY - Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster is closed indefinitely because of mechanical problems. Park spokesman Robin Innes said Tuesday the roller coaster went down on Friday evening and has been closed since. Innes didn't know if anyone was on the ride at the time it went down, and would not elaborate beyond "mechanical problems." "It's having mechanical problems, and (the park) doesn't know when it will reopen," he said. Cedar Point ended its daily season Monday. The park will reopen Friday for Bonus Weekends and Halloweekends through Oct. 30. Since debuting in May 2003, the Top Thrill Dragster has operated sporadically. However, this season, it only went down a few times, Innes said. "It has (run) much better and improved a lot since last year, and improved considerably (from) the first season," Innes said. Cedar Point has experienced trouble with the ride's prototype hydraulic oil system and launching cables in 2003-04, and four riders were injured on the ride in July 2004 when a cable frayed. With hydraulics, energy is compressed and then used to push the coaster train to the top of the hill. In the Dragster's case, the hydraulic oil is pumped into storage cylinders where it compresses nitrogen gas and launches the train up 420 feet at 120 mph. Up until 2005, Top Thrill Dragster was the tallest and fastest coaster in the world. It was dethroned by Kindga Ka, a 128-mph and 456-feet-tall coaster at Six Flags Great Adventure, in Jackson, N.J. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 08:59:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47855 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 15:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 15:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 15:59:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 15:59:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 15:59:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:59:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uXPgOWbTWAc7cXVXrzmgKJLY_kPdC90T6sJOfLsFNUD0TYs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I happen to agree with Chris. I use the Group site exclusively for posting & reading. (I don't like having my e-mail cluttered). Plus I enjoy all of the "add-ons" that are available here (many of which I have contributed to heavily - but that's beside the point). People still have the option of treating this like an e-mail list, or not. That's another reason why I really like it here. It allows people to use it as they wish. Kind of a side-question George, but why the thoughts on changing the format? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 09:10:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82933 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 16:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 16:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 16:10:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:10:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:10:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2784 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kingdom coming? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ddHbV1aLIy05R-lZOmplPiAyVZcgpPopSClhXd5YmBlTJkA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 7, 2005 Geelong Info http://www.geelonginfo.com/readarticle.asp?articleid=17084 by MICHAEL AUCIELLO Victoria, AU -- A CLOUD of mystery surrounds a proposal to build a Disneyland at Avalon. Several key players in the project played down the idea yesterday but did not deny it was a possibility. A spokesman for Disney Parks and Resorts Australia/New Zealand said there was no truth to the rumour. "There is no merit in the story at all" he said. But he said the animation giant was always keeping its options open. "Disney is always looking at global expansion opportunities," he said. "We are very much looking at international expansion, but where I have no idea. "Even if we were, we wouldn't say where we were looking." The State Government was also keeping tight-lipped about the project. A spokeswoman for tourism minister John Pandazopoulos would only confirm that Disney executives had visited Avalon, as it did with Melbourne's Docklands precinct and the Gold Coast. "International companies visit Victoria on a regular basis exploring different opportunities in Victoria," she said. She said a confidentiality agreement stopped her from making any further comment. The idea to bring "the happiest place on earth" to Avalon is the brainchild of trucking magnate Lindsay Fox, who is overseas and unavailable for comment. A Linfox spokesman said the company would not be making any comment about the matter. Linfox Airport's managing director David Fox yesterday said he was none the wiser about the plan, other than what he had read in the newspaper. He said he would not comment because he did not want to "jeopardise" anything. A Melbourne Docklands spokesman said he was unaware of Disney executives visiting the area but said anything was possible. He suggested they might have been at the docklands because of the Volvo Ocean Race which will travel through Melbourne in January and in which Disney has an entrant. Committee for Geelong chairman Jim Cousins said the proposal had his full support. "I heard there was something going on at Avalon but wasn't sure what," he said. "It'd be bloody sensational for Geelong. "You'd need to build 100 hotels, expand the airport. . ." Mr Cousins said he believed the Geelong public would get right behind the idea. "It's been successful all over the world so I think most people would say 'Why not us?'," he said. He said if anyone could get Disneyland built, it would be Lindsay Fox. "Of course. I wish him the best of luck. I'll certainly be wishing him all the best. I'll be right behind him," Cousins said. Cousins also said if a Disneyland was to be built at Avalon, it would put his suggestion of a Guggenheim for Geelong back on the drawing board. ------------- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 09:23:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48809 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 16:23:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:21:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:21:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Thousands flock to Conneaut Lake Park as 2005 season winds down X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QczXJae3iGhsyk8SDoFk6wwoJKjU2AH9SKbZVTS7J3C6mA0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 7, 2005 The Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/story.asp?id=3D4616 by Keith Gushard CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -=97 Conneaut Lake Park's future may just be with its=20 past. "It's family-oriented, that's what I like," said Hydi Cowger,=20 who visited the 113-y.o. amusement park this Labor Day weekend. Cowger is from Carmichaels, located about 15 miles north of the=20 Pennsylvania-West Virginia border. She was visiting CL with her=20 husband, Randy, and their children. Mrs. Cowger has been coming to the park for 33 years. First as a=20 child herself with her family and now with her 4 children. The park's tree-lined midway, old-style rides and attractions and the=20 fact the park is on a lake are all part of its charm, according to=20 the Cowgers. "It's a slower pace," Hydi Cowger said of her attraction=20 to the park. "There's a wider generation of people here =97 you have=20 young and old." "It doesn't look dirty," said Randy Cowger. "A lot of the bigger=20 parks just aren't clean." The Cowgers also like the fact the park is very inexpensive compared=20 to the large parks. "These days that's very important," Hydi Cowger=20 said. Officials of CL are hoping to expand on its nostalgic feel for the=20 future. The park's origins date to 1892 when it opened as Exposition Park and=20 was a destination for the Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad which=20 operated excursion trains from Pittsburgh to the park. Tom Cholak said the park had a great Labor Day weekend capped with=20 the Do Wopp Festival held Fri, Sat and Sun. "We've attracted a lot of=20 people to the park," said Cholak, who is part of the Meadville-based=20 private consultant company Thornton & Cholak. The firm was hired=20 early this year by the park's board of directors to oversee the=20 park's daily operations. A long weekend of warm temperatures and sunshine brought crowds out=20 by the thousands each day =97 evident by parking lots brimming with=20 vehicles, particularly on Sunday with a classic car and hot rod=20 show. "I think we've been very successful," Cholak said of the=20 weekend. "We need more events that are attached to the park." Cholak declined to discuss how the park may have done this season,=20 citing a pending court hearing on the park's finances and deferred=20 questions to Terry Deitz, who heads the park's board of directors. The hearing is scheduled for Friday in Crawford County Court of=20 Common Pleas before Judge Anthony Vardaro. The park is a public trust and has a court-appointed custodian, Leroy=20 Stearns, who oversees the board of directors and reports to the court=20 as necessary. Deitz told the Tribune he felt the park had done financially well=20 this summer. "We won't know how good financially until we get the=20 whole season done and look at everything," he said. Asked if the park will open for 2006, Deitz said, "The board has not=20 made that decision." Yet, Deitz remained optimistic about a successful season next=20 year. "The key elements are to increase advertising," he told the=20 Tribune. "Secondly, to show growth. Most importantly, we have to=20 start development." Stearns also said he wouldn't know for certain how CL did financially=20 until the judge examines the completed financial report. "I've not=20 seen the (financial) numbers as of today and until I see the numbers,=20 I can't determine where the park is financially," said=20 Stearns. "Until the judge sees the numbers he can't determine where=20 the park is at this time. The court order he gave to the board was=20 for the board to respond, not the custodian." --------------- copyright 2005 The Meadville Tribune From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 07 09:36:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45023 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 16:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 16:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 16:36:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:36:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:36:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 16:36:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:36:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9Kw-aNzwNAwPACRcxhgF4356GZzKkQC0D0fDu1O7C7PYRLs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Kind of a side-question George, but why the thoughts on changing the > format? Not so much a change in format, but I was debating offering as an addition to the list, so we would have both. The board offers some features that email doesn't- e.g. seeing the entire conversaion at once instead of in bits and pieces, avatars, profiles, and some other things. But they were things that I wasn't sure how much of an interest there would be. I absolutely had no intentions of dropping Yahoo groups or changing the format, so no worries there. Part of it was also curiosity as to see how much of a web presence we do have, and how much we might be able to create, as sort of a test to see if investing in a company to build a site for us would be worth it, but that was a distant thought. But at lot of it was just a spur of the moment "I wonder if..." thing. I tend to do that a lot. Right now it's looking like the votes are generally neutral to negative, so at this point I'd say chalk it up to a passing fancy of mine. :) keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 10:20:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52702 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 17:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 17:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 17:20:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:20:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:20:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z3EoY5ZHA81KNusLAdGAJUGtViSB1g6JpDf8wTZqzf_1POM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Yeah, Avatars would be fun. I think it's odd that Profiles are only availabe for those who sign- up for Yahoo! But I understand about "out-loud thinking", I do that all of the time too. If promotion is one of your thoughts, I know that I have a direct link to here from my website. Plus, with "signitures" (which I don't have - shame on me!) that could be another. Alan - I belong to Yahoo!Groups "Roller Coaster Talk"! ;) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > Not so much a change in format, but I was debating offering as an > addition to the list, so we would have both. The board offers some > features that email doesn't- e.g. seeing the entire conversaion at > once instead of in bits and pieces, avatars, profiles, and some other > things. But they were things that I wasn't sure how much of an > interest there would be. I absolutely had no intentions of dropping > Yahoo groups or changing the format, so no worries there. > > Part of it was also curiosity as to see how much of a web presence we > do have, and how much we might be able to create, as sort of a test to > see if investing in a company to build a site for us would be worth > it, but that was a distant thought. > > But at lot of it was just a spur of the moment "I wonder if..." thing. > I tend to do that a lot. Right now it's looking like the votes are > generally neutral to negative, so at this point I'd say chalk it up to > a passing fancy of mine. :) > > keep on ridin' > George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 10:26:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95002 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 17:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 17:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 17:26:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:26:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:26:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1911 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Investor May Enter Talks on Possible Acquisition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cy2REuUMhgPxq7Dr_e4n2PGaFudEgy6bX0HJ2JMA-vH4284 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 7, 2005 Bloomberg News Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sixflags7sep07,1,5861530.story? coll=la-headlines-business Weitz & Co., the 3rd-largest shareholder of Six Flags Inc., may enter into talks with third parties concerning a possible acquisition of the amusement park operator, according to a regulatory filing Tuesday. The Omaha-based investment advisor may also seek talks with 6f's management, according to its filing with the Securities & Exchange Commission. Weitz has an almost 11% stake in 6F. Shares of 6F rose 20 cents to $7.07. Oklahoma City-based 6F put itself up for sale last month after another major investor, Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, offered to pay 18% more than the closing price that day to boost his 6F stake to 34.9% from 11.7%. Snyder said he would oust 6F's top management, including replacing Chief Executive Kieran Burke with Mark Shapiro, an executive VP at Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN cable network. 6F, owner of the Magic Mountain and Hurricane Harbor amusement parks in Valencia, has reported annual losses for the last 6 years. On Aug. 25, 6F said it would seek buyers for the company and oppose Snyder's attempt to take control. Weitz & Co. is headed by Wallace Weitz, a major investor in cable TV operators Adelphia Communications Corp. and Charter Communications Inc. Weitz and Snyder are "ganging up on management to make changes, to explore strategic options," said Kit Spring, an analyst with Denver- based Stifel Nicolaus & Co. "They could sell off some of the parks piecemeal," which would probably create more value for shareholders than an outright sale, he said. The 2nd-biggest 6F investor is Cascade Management, Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates' private investment fund, which has also expressed dissatisfaction with the company's performance. ------------ Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 10:35:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7613 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 17:35:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:34:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:34:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2005 17:34:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:34:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood's latest attraction - Swing Shot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RyGywsyxs--5rOtmEKqPljBUl4OKC4K6yIzvAr4wa6l7EIo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 07, 2005 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05250/566652.stm West Mifflin, PA -- Thunderbolt. Noah's Ark. Swing Shot. Kennywood will unveil its latest ride, Swing Shot, next year with the=20 hopes that it will take its place among the amusement park's=20 traditional favorites. Michael Orsini of Carnegie and John Frost of Greensburg submitted the=20 name in a contest held by the West Mifflin park. The other top choices=20 were Pittsburgh Pendulum and Scream Xtream. Pictures and sketches of the ride can be seen at kennywood.com. ------------ =A91997-2005 PG Publishing Co. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 07 11:44:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44166 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 18:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 18:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 18:44:49 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2005 14:43:48 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,177,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="69339114:sNHT27950556" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j87IhZQr001248 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:43:38 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:43:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:43:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 18:43:37.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F1EA210:01C5B3DC] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kennywood's latest attraction - Swing Shot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4KYojSRSzNBZ832LlUeDrt9ix6MIiR4hWaj6yTBYic60Gb7L X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > The other top choices were Pittsburgh Pendulum and Scream Xtream. Oh man .. I'm glad they didn't select Scream Xtream! Anyone know if the Bayern Kurve is coming back? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Need more * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Ice-cream! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 07 11:46:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48021 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 18:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2005 18:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) (64.102.122.148) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 18:46:34 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2005 11:46:35 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,177,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="8804677:sNHT24364176" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j87IkMQt002081 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:46:25 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:46:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:46:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 18:46:25.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[7324B650:01C5B3DC] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kingdom coming? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=lSlT_Ebw7BqvFtoFmYI9n6B-U5XI4NiH83E_3Fihn0iS6dNL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I would be very surprised if Disney ever built a park in Australia .. the country just doesn't have the population to support it - and I can't see people flying to Australia to visit a Disney Land .. there are just too many other things to there! Cameron. On Sep 7, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Alan wrote: > September 7, 2005 > Geelong Info > http://www.geelonginfo.com/readarticle.asp?articleid=17084 > by MICHAEL AUCIELLO > > > Victoria, AU -- A CLOUD of mystery surrounds a proposal to build a > Disneyland at Avalon. > > Several key players in the project played down the idea yesterday but > did not deny it was a possibility. > > A spokesman for Disney Parks and Resorts Australia/New Zealand said > there was no truth to the rumour. "There is no merit in the story at > all" he said. > > But he said the animation giant was always keeping its options > open. "Disney is always looking at global expansion opportunities," > he said. > > "We are very much looking at international expansion, but where I > have no idea. > > "Even if we were, we wouldn't say where we were looking." > > The State Government was also keeping tight-lipped about the project. > > A spokeswoman for tourism minister John Pandazopoulos would only > confirm that Disney executives had visited Avalon, as it did with > Melbourne's Docklands precinct and the Gold Coast. "International > companies visit Victoria on a regular basis exploring different > opportunities in Victoria," she said. > > She said a confidentiality agreement stopped her from making any > further comment. > > The idea to bring "the happiest place on earth" to Avalon is the > brainchild of trucking magnate Lindsay Fox, who is overseas and > unavailable for comment. > > A Linfox spokesman said the company would not be making any comment > about the matter. > > Linfox Airport's managing director David Fox yesterday said he was > none the wiser about the plan, other than what he had read in the > newspaper. > > He said he would not comment because he did not want to "jeopardise" > anything. > > A Melbourne Docklands spokesman said he was unaware of Disney > executives visiting the area but said anything was possible. > > He suggested they might have been at the docklands because of the > Volvo Ocean Race which will travel through Melbourne in January and > in which Disney has an entrant. > > Committee for Geelong chairman Jim Cousins said the proposal had his > full support. "I heard there was something going on at Avalon but > wasn't sure what," he said. > > "It'd be bloody sensational for Geelong. > > "You'd need to build 100 hotels, expand the airport. . ." > > Mr Cousins said he believed the Geelong public would get right behind > the idea. "It's been successful all over the world so I think most > people would say 'Why not us?'," he said. > > He said if anyone could get Disneyland built, it would be Lindsay > Fox. "Of course. I wish him the best of luck. I'll certainly be > wishing him all the best. I'll be right behind him," Cousins said. > > Cousins also said if a Disneyland was to be built at Avalon, it would > put his suggestion of a Guggenheim for Geelong back on the drawing > board. > ------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Life without art & music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for > Good! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group > would be like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you > would and would not like to see there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Life! Don't talk * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** to me about life.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Sep 07 18:19:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58954 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 01:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 01:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 01:19:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:21:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200509071821.AA2582642960@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: List vs Website (was New Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Cj0T03mQDaa0ySsoJSSKTcPLH-q-mGCnGzAXG4YTjLE89RDYwc7m X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I generally agree with most of what's been said. I really like getting the digest e-mails. I'm able to read through them much more efficiently than I could going to a website's bulletin board. It wouldn't hurt for our group to have some sort of web presence other than Yahoo. I've said before that I'd be happy to work on such a website and/or maintain it. But what really would we want from a website that Yahoo isn't providing? We can post pictures, archive our discussions, upload files, post links...in short, everything that most websites are used for. I'm not sure what we'd really be gaining with our own website, except a domain name. (Wouldn't it be a kick to acquire the old rollercoaster.com domain and end up where we all started so many years ago?) Right now, RollerCoasterTalk serves my needs just fine. There are hundreds of coaster websites out there, and each one has its own strong and weak points. We often act as sort of a clearing house, pointing people in the best direction for what they want. We're sort of an informative service and friendly chat group. (And quite a good one, if I do say so myself!) I'm happy to continue on our current path. But like I said, if the group feels a website is a better option I'd be happy to assist. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 07 18:32:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33173 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 01:32:04 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2005 21:32:04 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,177,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="69391268:sNHT27597308" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j881VqQr002778 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:31:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.82.240.254]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:31:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20B69038-120E-46FC-BB53-8097EC8A611C@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:31:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2005 01:31:56.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[195968D0:01C5B415] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Cyclone accident? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=_c883cIy1zCEpj729CilErCSkm2p2E0eXs6ywxGUpOtrikKf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I haven't heard anything about this yet: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/mis/96065017.html Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Ticket Tac Toe * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Get three in a row! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 07 18:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31770 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j881beah001825 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <040801c5b415$eb7b33c0$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kingdom coming? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=dXKSa4no5ubV_ilcXE9ns_67WzSB3S1yKm0icKImVOUETF8ajbPXrfMYwA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I would be very surprised if Disney ever built a park in Australia .. > the country just doesn't have the population to support it - and I > can't see people flying to Australia to visit a Disney Land .. there > are just too many other things to there! I've never been to Australia myself, but I was surprised years back when they said that the next park was going to Hong Kong and not Australia. From the sounds of things, Australia has good tourism and even a similar tourism area to Orlando where most of their theme parks are already located. Though the most recient information indicates that Disney may now be looking at other countries for future expansion, but instead of building more Magic Kingdom parks they will experiment with other themes and concepts, like a Disney Studios park could work I suppose. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 18:43:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6040 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 01:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 01:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 01:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46250 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2005 01:43:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20050908014313.46248.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:43:12 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:43:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20B69038-120E-46FC-BB53-8097EC8A611C@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Cyclone accident? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=fHt1M8EDnXE_ew1Ycb0x3yJcd_u_rJNIfj5lhrEGZsvM9m8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I guess anything is possible, but according to the New York Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/343788p-293511c.html it is just routine stuff. I would be surprised if something like that could happen on a city-owned ride (especially after the Rye accidents) and nothing got in the papers. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 07 21:04:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16056 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 04:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 04:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 04:04:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 04:04:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 04:04:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 04:04:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050907123318.33728.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Patriotic Talon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=uNXkimeefzy6nvI43ZlfEwOFKNTgq_rH6DU2jQ7ZFt7EeCaW8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > has the WOF layout, it looks like Talon at Dorney > moved half-way across the country. > > Adam Well, if it is a Talon clone, that's not a bad thing, as Talon is very fun, but I believe most enthusiasts will moan and grope that they should have come up with a new layout. Chris B From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Sep 07 21:31:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85179 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 04:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 04:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 04:31:40 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so914006wxd for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.15.6 with SMTP id 6mr22379wxo; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:30:14 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050907123318.33728.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Patriotic Talon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=NUxAoSOozslhop6Iidugb3E2NZO0WH3sNrQzTOKoTN2AiKtrYuzqMCk X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > Well, if it is a Talon clone, that's not a bad thing, as Talon is very > fun, but I believe most enthusiasts will moan and grope that they > should have come up with a new layout. >=20 > Chris B I don't think this is an exact clone. The layout is very similar, but I think Talon has a slightly different footprint. The main thing is that Talon is a bit more compact, and all on one side of the lift. But I think the elements are all about the same. Anyways, even if it is a clone, or a near clone, I wouldn't care too much. I was personally hoping that Silver Bullet was going to be something like this. But I have talked to a lot of people who don't appreciate Talon, so they'd probably care. --=20 Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Sep 08 05:07:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65364 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 12:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 12:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 12:07:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 12:07:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:07:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.84 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: New B&M's Flying Coaster at SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=i6fn-D359KPaob-F2DMWLLSYCskm1rB2BkLQMOO6m11sTeFBYdE X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred This is the part of the year when many projects are confirmed. One week after the announcement of a B&M's hypercoaster at SFoG and as we expect a confirmation about another B&M's hypercoaster for La Ronde in Montreal (according to many rumors reported by Screamscape and local websites), the Roller Coaster Database now report that a B&M's flying coaster is going to be built at Six Flags Magic Mountain. http://www.rcdb.com/id3305.htm This is the 17th roller coaster at this park, one more than Cedar Point. However, according to this database, the actual number of effective roller coasters is 16 since Flashback is SBNO. Cedar Point should announce soon his project(s) for 2006. Already, marking construction have been reported and many rumors are about a new attraction in Frontiertown area. My guess is that a new water roller coaster may be built at Cedar Point for next year. Fred From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 08 05:59:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72218 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 12:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 12:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 12:59:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3E29A69 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:59:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86FFD91E-927E-42E9-8FF9-EE2CE3A492E8@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:59:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Thrill ride photo shop contest.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GipCTRDOaRoBrQKrYxqV74Nsnv6gCk-OSolGZUhSKMwDzQmN X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Some terrific creations here: http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp? contest_id=7269&display=photoshop Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 08 10:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68998 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 17:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 17:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 17:48:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 17:48:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 17:48:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 17:48:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:48:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 6373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: It's a small park after all X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dJ1UdX4b7QQv8L-7lHzkfe4YClxeMb2dXJaeOFChTNBWBdk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 SEPTEMBER 8, 2005 The New York Times http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/07/business/disney.php By Keith Bradsher HONG KONG, China -- When Walt Disney Co. opened its Euro Disney theme=20 park on the outskirts of Paris in 1992, the park struggled to attract=20 enough visitors, and the ones who came spent less than expected. The new Hong Kong Disneyland, which is scheduled to open to the=20 public on Monday, faces a very different problem: too many guests,=20 too many of whom clog rides while taking lots of photos of each other=20 and clog restaurants ordering long, expensive meals. A charity day on Sunday that was supposed to test the park's ability=20 to run at near its capacity of 30,000 people turned into a fiasco of=20 hourlong lines for rides, food shortages, inadequate parking and even=20 the partial closing of a large area of the park because of=20 overcrowding. =20 The English- and Chinese-language media here have been full of=20 unfavorable coverage of the park's modest size, and the financial=20 secretary of Hong Kong, Henry Tang, has publicly urged Disney to=20 reconsider how many people the park could really hold. "Of course we=20 do not want to spoil the fun of the visitors by making them queue for=20 a long time, or they may not be used to queuing for so long," Tang=20 said this week. "That's why we are discussing with Disney to see if=20 we could have flexible arrangements, like during certain days, when=20 the number of people entering the park reaches a certain figure, they=20 should not let the park become too crowded." The criticism has clearly irked Disney. Stopped during a tour of the park on Wednesday afternoon, a group of=20 Disney executives interrupted each other repeatedly in expressing=20 their indignation, albeit in the polite terms of a company that=20 caters heavily to children and to adults with a fondness for=20 childhood. "To take one day where there were 30,000 people and=20 say, 'Oh my gosh,' would be inappropriate," said Michael Mendenhall,=20 the executive VP for global marketing in Disney's parks and resorts=20 division. =20 "The press has made it about size - it has never been about size,"=20 said Zenia Mucha, Disney's senior VP for corporate communications. =20 The park here is considerably smaller than the original Disneyland in=20 Anaheim, or Euro Disney; this is part of a new strategy by Disney to=20 try to open theme parks in phases, instead of trying to build an=20 extensive park all at once, as was done in Paris and in Florida=20 before that. =20 A 2nd phase of construction is under discussion here between the Hong=20 Kong government, which owns 57% of HKDL, and Disney, which owns the=20 rest. The park was open again on Wednesday afternoon for what the company=20 called a rehearsal day, with smaller crowds than Sunday. It was the=20 latest of 17 test days before the park opens to the public on Monday. =20 The park's modest scale meant that it was possible to stroll at a=20 leisurely pace from the end of Main Street past all the rides in=20 Adventureland, Fantasyland and Tomorrowland and back to Main Street=20 in just 10 minutes - although that is without stopping along the way,=20 something very few visitors are ever likely to do. HKDL has only 1 roller coaster, Space Mountain, and it is so tame=20 that any children taller than 3'-4", or 102 cm, are allowed to ride=20 it. Most of the rides are gentle, like the spinning Mad Hatter Tea=20 Cups or the Cinderella Carousel, following Disney research showing=20 that mainland tourists in particular wanted a fairly tame experience. Visitors seemed to have varying reactions on Wednesday to the park,=20 with people from mainland China voicing greater enthusiasm than Hong=20 Kong residents. =20 The mainland, with 1.3 billion people compared with the 6.9 million=20 people in Hong Kong, is Disney's real target, and expectations there=20 may be lower, especially as the fading vestiges of central planning=20 have left Chinese citizens inured to long lines. =20 Wu He-yan, a 26-y.o. woman who said she grew up on a farm in nearby=20 Guangdong province but recently used the family's savings to open a=20 small Internet caf=E9 in the provincial capital, Guangzhou, toured the=20 park after winning a free visit from the pull-tab of a Coca-Cola can. Clutching a Minnie Mouse purse that she said she had been carrying=20 for a full year, Wu waited in line for a quarter of an hour for the=20 Jungle Cruise and said that she did not even consider Space Mountain=20 because it might be too scary. "Compared with Guangzhou, the lines=20 here are very short," she said after watching the robotic zebras,=20 elephants, gorillas, and other mechanical animals along the banks=20 during the cruise. =20 Louie Kwan, a 30-y.o. worker at a Hong Kong soy sauce factory, was=20 less enthused as he fanned himself with a park map and waited with=20 his wife, Wang Wei, in a long line to be photographed with Goofy and=20 Pluto. Kwan said that HKDL was less interesting than Ocean Park, the local=20 amusement park that has operated for 2 decades. The cars inside Space=20 Mountain "just keep turning round and round but not going up and=20 down, so it's not exciting," he said. But the crowds here could prove profitable for Disney. Mendenhall=20 said that visitors were staying twice as long in restaurants as did=20 visitors to the company's American theme parks. =20 That is partly because the visitors here took more time eating, but=20 also because they ordered more food. Tang said that in the past 3=20 weeks the company had added 20 mobile food carts and 600 more seats=20 in dining areas in an attempt to meet the demand. Disney made a point of trying to address local sensibilities here=20 through steps like orienting the park along lines suggested by a feng=20 shui master. =20 But the company kept a heavily American tone to most of the park,=20 starting with Main Street, and this decision also seems to have been=20 popular: the Main Street Corner Caf=E9 had a 45-minute wait for a table=20 at 2:15 on Wednesday afternoon, while the Plaza Inn Restaurant across=20 the street, serving Chinese food, had a few empty tables. Addressing the local penchant for taking myriad photos from every=20 possible angle has been harder. One step has been to install another,=20 stationary teacup next to the line for the Mad Hatter Tea Cups so=20 that visitors can take photos while waiting, and not slow the loading=20 and unloading process. ----------- =A9 2005 the International Herald Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 08 11:07:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64300 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 18:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 18:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 18:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2005 18:07:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:06:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Witherspoon photographer cited for assaulting theme park employees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tOwn5JXmUPSzZSSOdsLGROq2Cz_id1GnWq3EnHF3Z46W4Wo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 8, 2005 Associated Press KESQ News Channel 3 http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3814403 ANAHEIM, Ca -- A photographer who tried to snap actress Reese Witherspoon at the California Adventure theme park has been cited for allegedly assaulting 2 employees. Anaheim police Sergeant Rick Martinez says Todd Wallace was cited for misdemeanor assault and battery on Friday. Martinez says Wallace was photographing Witherspoon from a distance and then moved in on a group that included the actress and some children. Martinez says an employee accompanying the group tried to get them away from the photographer but Wallace "pushed her with his entire body, not just once but numerous times." Martinez says Wallace also assaulted a second employee. Martinez says Wallace probably will appear in court next month. ------------- Copyright 2005 Associated Press. Copyright 2002 - 2005 WorldNow and KESQ From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Sep 08 13:44:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28303 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 20:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2005 20:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 20:44:53 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so335583wri for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.20.50 with SMTP id 50mr10669wrt; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:44:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: coasterdude318@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Witherspoon photographer cited for assaulting theme park employees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=SMeIQob2DqMFTDr2OGzj9QMyidn-PR4_Ssb1tldLeLJFisXm9wAujFw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ANAHEIM, Ca -- A photographer who tried to snap actress Reese=20 > Witherspoon at the California Adventure theme park has been cited for=20 > allegedly assaulting 2 employees. How close do you really need to get to capture her enormous chin on film? := ) -Nate From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Sep 08 19:24:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74179 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 02:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 02:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 02:24:42 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1205446wxd for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.9 with SMTP id e9mr7138wxd; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:24:42 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Reply-To: xcoaster@gmail.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Steel Phantom car on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=HAhoLb_-5xbvP9uK2Vn0ILyGtpzw0JD6jcZdV4T13IL0CL16shuix3w X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme There's a Steel Phantom car up for sale on eBay. With the current bid at about $100, I know I'd probably try to get it if it wasn't so far away. http://tinyurl.com/detht --=20 Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From lau228@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 07:06:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3706 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 14:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 14:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53907.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.217) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 14:05:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 50826 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2005 14:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050909140558.50824.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:05:58 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kennywood's latest attraction - Swing Shot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=tJEV7UTv7kunqGpXDYxNjU8DgC1o5Murq2NetlksQ6KW X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 > Anyone know if the Bayern Kurve is coming back? > > Cameron. The last I heard is that the Kurve would be back but in a different place in the park since Wipeout is now in the Kurve's old spot. Lori ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 09:50:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57590 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 16:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 16:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 16:50:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 16:49:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 16:49:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:49:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park offers free gas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0XXbfduj9YJ2BB-O4o035Db-VSaTmvuOvG3VxVEF6N4SFQU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 8, 2005 WALB News 10 http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3824584&nav=5kZQeIdu Valdosat, GA -- A South Georgia amusement park is helping its guests deal with the rising cost of gasoline. Wild Adventures is offering free $5.00 gas cards with the purchase of any regular admission ticket or annual Passport. Owner Kent Buescher says soaring gas prices make the cost of traveling to the park more than what many families have budgeted, and the gas cards will help keep their entertainment reasonably priced. "A lot of our guests had been telling us that the price of fuel was impacting their trips to the park and their kids were disappointed so we decided to help them pay for the gas," said Buescher. The gas card giveaway runs through September 30th. Cards are redeemable at any Shell Gas Station. ------------ Copyright 2000 - 2005 WorldNow and WALB From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 09:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28588 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 16:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 16:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 16:55:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 16:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 16:55:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:55:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Luzerne County Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=skuYA3Rpf0xWnDvqZiPBfMM7MtyshbNWnllQ0r3UcdA92dc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 09, 2005 Time Leader http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/living/12597893.htm Dallas, PA -- Luzerne County Fair with amusement rides, agricultural and horticultural exhibits, 4-H arts and crafts, live entertainment, Learning Farm & Petting Zoo, Perondi's Extreme Canines Stunt Dog Show, Farmer for a Day and closing-night fireworks. Fairgrounds, Route 118, Dallas. Tonight, 4 to 11:30 Saturday, 11 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. Sunday, 11 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. $6.00 675-3247 or luzernecountyfair.com. ------------ Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 10:12:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16963 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:12:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:12:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: New Nick or Treat(TM) Halloween Event at Paramount's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UzLWjlMMEVypyOnMtk_5oirNM95XwY1HigF84mQ59C8bO9U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 8, 2005 Paramount's Great America Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050908/sfth012.html?.v=3D23 SANTA CLARA, Ca. -- Paramount's Great America celebrates the "family- friendly" spirit of Halloween with Nick or Treat, a new 10-day=20 extravaganza Oct. 1 - 30 that will transform the Santa Clara theme=20 park into Halloween extraordinary! For the first time in the park's=20 29-year history, guests will experience traditional rides and=20 attractions along with the sights & sounds of Halloween in 6=20 elaborately decorated areas that cater to all ages. (Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20050908/SFTH012 ) While most theme parks dust off the cobwebs, PGA is putting them up=20 (literally) along with thousands of pumpkins, hay bales, corn stalks=20 and skeletons to create a unique Northern California "spook-tacular"=20 experience. Among the acres of fun, park guests can: * Join Nickelodeon friends in a new Halloween-version of the=20 Nickelodeon Celebration Parade at 5p.m. daily! Halloween music, more=20 than 20 Nickelodeon characters, 7 floats including the all-new Danny=20 Phantom and Dora the Explorer brigades and a cast of nearly 100=20 costumed performers will dance through the guest-lined streets of PGA=20 in a 30-minute spectacular. Costumed children 12 years of age and=20 under, along with their parents, are encouraged to take part in the=20 parade for a one-of-a-kind experience. * Trick-or-treat along with Nickelodeon characters SpongeBob=20 SquarePants, Dora the Explorer and more at 5 designated trick-or- treat stations in Nickelodeon Central. PGA is the only place in=20 Northern California where kids can trick-or-treat along with their=20 Nickelodeon friends. This safe and fun trick-or-treating experience=20 for kids ages 12 and younger runs from noon-4p.m. The park asks all=20 parents and guardians to use good judgment on masks and make-up that=20 could obstruct their child's vision. * Ride the Scary-Go-Round, the world's tallest double-decker=20 carousel, complete with giant spider webs, skeletons and fog to help=20 create a mystical experience. * Take a haunted ride among dim lighting, fog and bats on the=20 Collision Caverns bumper cars. * Join skeletons and grim reapers for a leisurely skyward journey=20 in gondolas along the park's Phantom Flyer. * Jump around in a bubbling pumpkin patch foam pit or wander=20 through a children's maze full of fun, interactive surprises! * Experience the thrills of two new motion-simulator movies,=20 Elvira's "Superstition" and "Fun House Express" in the park's Action=20 FX Theater. * Sing along at Scaryoke, a frightfully-fun Halloween version of=20 karaoke that includes songs such as "Monster Mash" and "Thriller." * See the park's once majestic blue reflection pond now orange and=20 swarming with sun-loving skeletons playing in the pond and along the=20 water's edge at Skeleton Beach. * Interact with a funny talking pumpkin that has its eyes on all=20 the guests! Nick or Treat is free with park admission and runs weekends only,=20 Oct. 1 - 30. Guests can maximize park visits by purchasing a 2006 VIP=20 Pass for just $59.99 per pass when purchasing 2 or more or $69.99 for=20 an individual VIP Pass. The 2006 VIP Pass includes unlimited=20 admission to PGA, Crocodile Dundee's Boomerang Bay Beach Club (2006=20 season only) and Bonfante Gardens for the remainder of the 2005=20 season and all of the 2006 season. Additional benefits include free=20 parking at PGA as well as discounts on concerts and special events=20 including Bonfante Gardens Holiday Lights. For more information or to=20 purchase 2006 VIP Passes, visit www.pgathrills.com or call 408-988- 1776. PGA is owned and operated by Paramount Parks, a unit of Viacom Inc. ------------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 10:18:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69152 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 17:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 17:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 17:18:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:18:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:18:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:18:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Outdoor swimming woes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aVRKDYBySXOsf2QZazi_Z6-suFmIn8xOIq0bYNLj1tQjTr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 8, 2005 The Budapest Sun http://www.budapestsun.com/full_story.asp?ArticleId=3D% 7b6F9D7F344ED94ECFA8C0EF79A0FE18D3%7d&From=3D Budapest, Hungary -- This year's dismal summer has left aquatic=20 amusement parks and baths in dire straits. Budapest Gy=F3gyf=FCrd=F4i =E9s H=E9vizei Rt, the company that supervises 1= 0=20 indoor swimming-pools and 5 outdoor facilities claims to have=20 suffered a loss of Ft200m ($1.02m). Not all swimmers have been deterred from their pursuit, however, as=20 indoor swimming-pools' turnover increased by 10%. During the 4-month "summer period", there have been only 10 hot=20 summer days to attract people to outside water venues. In comparison, Budapest's indoor swimming-pools gained a monthly 11- 12,000 visitors more than during the previous year. Amusement parks=20 around the capital have also reported one of their worst=20 seasons. "Because of the bad weather we were forced to close the park=20 for several days during this summer, since not even 100 visitors=20 could be expected during those days," explained Judit Nahalka,=20 marketing manager of the Aquarena water park in Mogyor=F3d, close to=20 the Grand Prix circuit about 25km north of Budapest. There were only 2 profitable weeks, including a mini heat-wave in=20 July and the Grand Prix weekend. Altogether there were some 120,000 visitors this summer, 60% less=20 than last year. Nahalka added, "If the trend doesn't change we will have to consider=20 building indoor pools to make some profit, but right now all we can=20 do is to stay open on warmer days." There are only a few more weeks left until the end of the season on=20 September 25, and aquatic amusement parks, like outdoor swimming- pools, are hoping for more of Hungary's traditional Indian summer=20 days. "Every single day counts," said Nahalka. ------------- Copyright 2001 The Budapest Sun=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 09 10:25:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20290 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 17:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2005 17:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 17:25:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2005 17:25:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:25:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3063 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Pleasure_Beach_in_=A38m_leisure_scheme?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xhL8G-tc3sx_u_g1yzSZ1x10SKWVrTyRUYgDG_rFc_gJ_pk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09 September 2005 The Business EDP http://business.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx? brand=3DBIZOnline&category=3DBusiness&tBrand=3Dbizonline&tCategory=3Dbusine= ss& itemid=3DNOED09%20Sep%202005%2009:12:44:710 by STEPHEN PULLINGER Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK -- The owners of Yarmouth's Pleasure Beach are=20 poised to complete a deal for an =A38m development centred on a 10- screen multiplex cinema. Managing director Albert Jones confirmed last night that agreement=20 had been reached with Vue Entertainment, Britain's largest multiplex=20 developer, to build a cinema alongside the 70-ride amusement park. As soon as legal contracts have been signed, Jones hopes to sign up=20 other tenants for the scheme, which will include a 2 or 3-star hotel,=20 bowling alley, restaurants, bars and a fast-food, drive-through=20 outlet. He said: "Now we have reached agreement with the anchor tenant for=20 the cinema, the other elements should not present any problem. "We have already had a lot of interest and were in talks this week=20 with a representative of a national bowling operator." The scheme, which will be undertaken in a joint venture partnership=20 between the Pleasure Beach and Henry Boot Developments, is likely to=20 create more than 100 jobs. Subject to detailed planning permission - outline agreement has=20 already been approved - building work will start next May or June,=20 and the complex should be open by Easter 2007. The 100,000 sq ft site=20 will have ample car parking. Jones, who has been working on the scheme for 5 years, said his=20 family were confident about making such a large financial commitment=20 because they saw Yarmouth as a "sleeping giant with a bright future". He said: "This development is a show of confidence in Yarmouth. Our=20 cause has certainly been helped by the positive news on the outer=20 harbour." The Pleasure Beach will own the new complex, operating it as the=20 landlord. It is hoped to attract customers from within a half-hour's drive=20 away - including Lowestoft - as well as seasonal holidaymakers. Jones said: "This will have a huge knock-on effect for the Pleasure=20 Beach.=20 "It means we will be planning to increase our investment in the park=20 and looking to make parts of it a 52-week-a-year operation. "Indoor entertainment like the cinema is a must for us, given the=20 weather. "The last 2 summers we have had more rain during August than for many=20 years." Karen Hawes, regional director for Henry Boot, said: "This will=20 assist in regenerating Yarmouth's seafront by creating an exciting=20 scheme for all the family. "It will be an all-year-round destination=20 for the local population and visitors alike, as well as raising the=20 profile of the resort to UK holidaymakers." Tim Richards, chief executive of Vue Entertainment, which recently=20 bought the Ster Century chain of cinemas, including one in Norwich,=20 said: "This development is in a great location and we look forward to=20 providing the community of Yarmouth with the best state-of-the-art=20 cinema experience available." ----------- =A9 2005 Archant Regional From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 07:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58439 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 14:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2005 14:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 14:13:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 76167 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2005 14:13:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050910141350.76165.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:13:50 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Cyclone update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=uoQ0fZzmKi3MpBb-tsWbz-stxGwvcxoY6bC7-cBQA7hHxac X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Looks like you were right, Cam. A cover-up of Rumsfeldian proportions. More is available if you log in to read the story. Adam ---------------- COVER-UP BY CONEY ISLAND CY-CLOWNS http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/27959.htm September 10, 2005 -- A terrifying accident that injured four riders on Coney Island's world famous Cyclone was the real reason the roller coaster was knocked out of commission, it was revealed yesterday, not the routine maintenance the ride's operators initially reported. The 78-year-old coaster screeched to a dead halt during its first death-defying 85-foot drop last Saturday night when the three-car train struck a "misaligned track" at 60 mph, sending four people to the hospital with whiplash and forcing it to be shut down by the city, said Buildings Department spokeswoman Jennifer Givner. ... *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 07:54:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45539 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 14:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 14:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 14:54:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 14:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 14:54:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:54:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement or eyesore? Haunted House officials dispute blight claims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vvfUVTxmewFplznHt2CgbCKEw5o5a-eqO-ZqRv6_xG2Z1OA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 11, 2005 South Bend Tribune http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/09/11/local.20050911-sbt- MICH-C1-Amusement_or.sto By LOU MUMFORD NILES, MI -- There's no doubt the Niles Haunted House Scream Park=20 http://www.haunted.org/ is a scary place. But is it an eyesore as well? Neighbors of the 44-acre site on=20 Mayflower RD, between US-12 and Niles-Buchanan RD, apparently believe=20 it is. Niles Township Code Enforcement Officer Stefanie Woodrick said she=20 has received complaints from nearby property owners regarding alleged=20 blight conditions at the haunted house since April 2000. That was=20 only 2 years after the seasonal attraction, scheduled to reopen on=20 Friday, had its 1st year of operation on the site. 3 months ago, additional complaints from neighbors prompted Woodrick=20 to visit the property again. She said she discovered 5 unlicensed=20 vehicles and "a lot of outdoor storage," or items stored outside that=20 technically should have been in an enclosed structure. Scare Inc., the not-for-profit organization that operates the haunted=20 house, responded to Woodrick's cleanup order by appealing to the=20 Niles Township Board. On Monday night, the board upheld Woodrick's=20 ruling, allowing her to charge haunted house operators with a=20 misdemeanor if necessary. Woodrick said whether or not she does will depend on a subsequent=20 inspection and consultation with township Attorney Chris Lynch. Haunted House Scream Park Manager Pete Karlowicz argued the property=20 is being held to standards that are nearly impossible for an=20 entertainment facility such as the haunted house to meet.=20 Specifically, he said the property features "a whole boatload of=20 fencing," plus assorted other equipment stored behind a haunted house=20 fence, that shouldn't be subject to an indoor storage requirement. He said haunted house personnel also have been caught in a Catch-22=20 situation. They need an additional storage building, beyond the 2=20 already in place, but Karlowicz said they may not be able receive the=20 township's OK to build it until the alleged blight condition is=20 removed. But even if the extra storage building is added - Karlowicz said he's=20 confident he'll receive a permit next month - there will be=20 limitations, he said. "We'll put some things in there, but not=20 everything on that property will go in that building," he=20 said. "That's insane. I mean, it's a farm, an amusement property. Why=20 would I put fencing inside? And it's 1,000' from the road." As for the unlicensed vehicles, Karlowicz said they have been removed=20 as ordered. He said only one remains, and it has been covered by a=20 tarp. Karlowicz said the site, zoned for a planned unit development,=20 received a special-use permit shortly before the attraction opened=20 that allows it to function as "a haunted attraction and (with)=20 associated other amenities." He said the argument could be made those=20 amenities extend to vehicles and other aspects of the operation that=20 the township has labeled blight. He said the haunted house has tried to be a good neighbor by erecting=20 a berm of wood chips along Mayflower RD and beyond to serve as a=20 visual barrier. But he said that's not good enough for the township=20 Planning Commission, which has ordered the planting of evergreen=20 trees along Mayflower and the property's northern boundary. The northern boundary adjoins property owned by Jane Tenney, owner of=20 the Longmeadow Development Corp. that has developed the nearby=20 Longmeadow subdivision. Tenney referred to the haunted house site as=20 a "concern" and a "detriment." "For the quality of development in the area, it certainly doesn't add=20 anything by any means," said Tenney, who recently began marketing the=20 property that borders the haunted house site. Karlowicz called the situation "unfortunate," particularly in light=20 of the nearly $600,000 the haunted house has donated to various=20 organizations the last 10 years. Informed of a Woodrick remark that=20 she believes she and Scare Inc. are "close" to being on the same=20 page, he agreed that's a good sign. He also said he'll begin planting the evergreens this fall. "I'm very=20 hopeful this issue's over," he said. ----------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 08:18:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90442 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 15:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 15:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 15:18:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:16:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:16:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Mrs. Knott's Eatery Stays High in the Pecking Order X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Hs8nEh0vw6hYZsRbnVRdvN-n13m0p6c5PAN8-fU5BpnZVHI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 12, 2005 Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-peeled12sep12,1,1204935.story? coll=3Dla-headlines-california By Andrew Greenstein Buena Park, CA -- For years, the small wooden tearoom stood by=20 itself, a remote stop on the way to the beach where travelers could=20 swing by for a hearty meal of fried chicken and warm homemade=20 biscuits, not to mention the prized boysenberry jam. The old tearoom near Beach Blvd is still there, buried now by its=20 surroundings: 7 sprawling dining rooms, rows of new buildings,=20 billboards and one of America's best known amusement parks =97 Knott's=20 Berry Farm. Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant officially opened for business=20 one June night in 1934 when Cordelia Knott served 8 fried chicken=20 dinners on her wedding china in the house where she and her husband,=20 Walter, raised 4 children. "When we started, there were only 5=20 tables," recalled Marion Knott Montapert, who was born on what was=20 then the 10-acre farm and worked at the restaurant until she went off=20 to college. "We waitresses would have to pick up our trays, walk=20 through our kitchen, walk through our dining room and take a step out=20 into our living room to get to the restaurant." Though much has changed around the restaurant, the menu remains=20 largely untouched. Diners can order the same meal that's been served=20 for more than 70 years: cherry rhubarb, salad with French dressing,=20 handmade biscuits, cabbage and sweet pickles, 3 pieces of fried=20 chicken and mashed potatoes smothered with gravy. For dessert: a=20 slice of boysenberry pie with vanilla ice cream. Linda Elliot, 81, has been a server at the restaurant for almost 50=20 years. Dressed like all of the waitresses in a green or pink dress=20 with a white apron, she is one of the few employees who can recall=20 Walter's warm hugs and Cordelia's boundless generosity. "She was a=20 wonderful, typical grandma. If you complimented her on a piece of=20 jewelry she wore, at the end of the day it was yours," Elliot said. She recalled meeting Cordelia Knott on her 1st day of work. After=20 Elliot introduced herself, Cordelia said they already had a server=20 named Linda and that she would have to go by "Pam," Elliot said. Her=20 nametag still identifies her that way. For longtime restaurant patrons such as Bob Bassett, the chicken=20 house brings back fond memories. "My father and mother took us there=20 as kids probably every Sunday," he said. Back then, he recalled, Knott's Berry Farm had no fence and no=20 admission price. It was "just a place where kids could go on free=20 rides and then eat an affordable chicken meal." This type of cross-generational devotion ensured that business=20 remained strong at the restaurant, helping it dodge obstacles such as=20 a post-World War II chicken shortage and competition from nearby=20 eateries over the years. Even a change of ownership in 1997, when=20 Ohio-based Cedar Fair bought Knott's Berry Farm and the restaurant,=20 didn't affect business. "It's what people know us for," said the=20 restaurant's executive chef, Bobby Obezo. "Everywhere I go, to=20 different parts of the US, [people ask] 'Is the chicken still the=20 same?' " After the purchase, the new owners unveiled plans to change many of=20 the park's rides and attractions but insisted the restaurant remain=20 untouched. The eatery began as a berry stand along what was then widely known=20 Highway 39 =97 now Beach Blvd. The stand was a way for the Knotts to=20 buck up their struggling farm business. The stand had a distinction, though, offering a berry that was a=20 cross between a red raspberry, a loganberry and a blackberry. The=20 fruit was a failed experiment of Anaheim Parks Superintendent Rudolph=20 Boysen, who was unable to keep the vines from withering. Walter Knott=20 tried his hand at it and after successfully turning a harvest, named=20 it the boysenberry, whose jams and jellies became a staple at the=20 stand, and later at the restaurant. By the 1940s, Cordelia Knott was selling 4,000 chicken dinners on=20 Sunday evenings and the wait grew to more than 4 hours, according to=20 the company's history. To give waiting customers something to do,=20 Walter Knott began piecing together a ghost town that became the=20 Calico Ghost Town attraction, the first of Knott's Berry Farm's=20 themed areas. Though the park quickly outgrew the eatery, Mrs.=20 Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant kept bustling along. The place now=20 has seating for more than 900 diners at a time and says it serves 1.5=20 million people a year. "We sell almost a half a million chickens a=20 year, and the flavor is always the same," Obezo said. The chicken is bought from a Georgia company and is never frozen.=20 It's marinated in a light seasoning, coated in flour and put into 1=20 of two 30'-long fryers, which move the birds through 2 separate oil=20 bins. One cooks the chicken, and another gives it a golden brown=20 appearance and crispy texture. As for the woman who started the whole thing, her daughter Marian=20 Knott Montapert says Cordelia Knott was shy but very strict when it=20 came to business. "My mother was in the kitchen all the time. She=20 taught them the values of doing what they were supposed to do. If a=20 waitress came by and didn't have a hairnet, she wouldn't let her go=20 on the floor," Montapert said. Though the chicken meal is the same, the price isn't. What once cost=20 65 cents now runs $19.06. The tip would be extra. ------------- Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 08:41:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61888 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 15:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 15:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 15:41:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:40:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:40:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland Gets Bumpy Ride in Hong Kong X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=p4wm-N6YtB2UDQw2OaP9EyqqjOhhqQawBIFIwObyCypmOxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep 12, 2005 Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/ap/20050912/ap_en_ot/hong_kong_mad_at_mickey_7 By WILLIAM FOREMAN HONG KONG, China -- Many in Hong Kong are ready to give Mickey Mouse=20 a big hug for bringing Disneyland to them. But not dog lovers, shark=20 defenders and fireworks foes. The opposition may seem odd, in a Chinese city where fireworks are a=20 fixture, shark fin soup is hugely popular, and stray dogs are=20 summarily dealt with as health hazards. But 8 years after the British colony was returned to China, the=20 capitalist city is much freer than the Communist mainland, and=20 advocacy groups are vocal. To start with the sharks: DL said it was merely trying to honor local=20 custom by selling shark fin soup at weddings in the park, which=20 opened its gates to the public for the first time Monday. But=20 environmentalists protested that shark populations are being depleted=20 by the fishing industry, which usually hacks off the fin before=20 tossing the fish back into the sea to die. A top-level decision was made to take the soup off the menu, said=20 Robert Iger, president of the Walt Disney Co. Disney made more headlines when it asked dog-catchers to round up=20 dozens of stray mutts near the park, sending many of them to a=20 certain death. And then there were the plans for nightly fireworks displays at the=20 park on Lantau, Hong Kong's largest island. Neighbors said they were=20 worried about the noise and smoke, but the park stuck with its=20 original plans. Chinese VP Zeng Qinghong, Hong Kong leader Donald Tsang and top=20 Disney executives Michael Eisner and Robert Iger attended the opening=20 ceremony Monday amid a cacophony of drums, cymbals and lion dance in=20 front of a pink Sleeping Beauty Castle. Zeng offered his blessing, calling the park "Hong Kongers' eternal=20 carnival." Both Eisner and Iger offered greetings in Mandarin,=20 China's national language, and Cantonese, the local Chinese dialect. In the months before the park's opening, the media sometimes sounded=20 as though Disney were building a shoddy nuclear plant, rather than a=20 cheerful amusement park with cuddly cartoon characters and a pink=20 Sleeping Beauty Castle with a mountain backdrop. HKDL became a target because it involved high-profile marriage of big=20 business and Hong Kong's government, the biggest investor in the US$3=20 billion park, said David Ketchum, a public relations expert. "As the=20 Australians say, 'The tall poppy gets the chop,' and Disney's high=20 profile worldwide and the lead-up to the opening has meant that many=20 are looking for ways the venture will fail," Ketchum said. Michael DeGolyer, professor of government and international studies=20 at Hong Kong Baptist University, said DL apparently underestimated=20 environmental cares in the crowded territory of about 7 million=20 people. "If they thought that a huge commitment of government money=20 would cushion them from public criticism, I think they will, and seem=20 already, to be discovering that is not, definitely not, the case,"=20 DeGolyer said. But DL's Iger said construction went smoothly with no major harm to=20 the environment or public. "None of the issues really rose to the=20 level of what I call a major concern in our minds, because they were=20 either exaggerated =97 and I won't be specific =97 or they were fixable,"=20 Iger told The AP. Hong Kong's leader, Donald Tsang, dismissed the complaints about the=20 fireworks, saying DL is complying with regulations. "They have passed=20 the test and I am satisfied with those tests," the chief executive=20 told reporters. Tsang's administration says the park will create thousands of new=20 jobs and help turn Hong Kong into a regional tourist destination for=20 families. Christine Loh, a former lawmaker who runs her own think tank, Civic=20 Exchange, said, "Hong Kong people as a whole don't hate Disney. They=20 don't think it's the most awful thing to have a Disney theme park in=20 Hong Kong =97 unlike other parts of the world where citizens got=20 together and said they don't want this kind of trash." But Loh said there's unease and suspicion over the government being=20 the park's prime investor as well as its regulator, and over the size=20 of its stake. "The initial reaction was quite positive," she=20 said. "But as it rolled out, Hong Kong people felt, is this a=20 reasonable deal for us, or are we giving away pretty much everything=20 to have them?" ---------------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 08:52:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63702 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:52:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2005 15:52:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:52:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2971 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland officially opens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=W4QWRwQ2inF3MvU9t18fpkvj33CRWdaiQ2cG0vecikU9WbM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 12, 2005 Kyodo News Yahoo! Asia News Lantau Island, Hong Kong, China -- Hong Kong Disneyland formally=20 opened Monday with expectations that China's burgeoning middle class=20 will welcome Mickey Mouse with open arms. The city hopes the HK$22.4 billion ($2.9 billion) complex, Disney's=20 5th, will boost its status as a tourism destination, but critics have=20 said the effect might be overstated. The HH government struck the DL joint venture deal with Walt Disney=20 Co. in 1999 in a bid to salvage the territory's flagging tourism in=20 the wake of the Asian financial crisis. It owns a 57% stake in the project while Disney holds the remaining=20 43%. 1/3 of the visitors are expected to come from mainland China, 1/3=20 from HK and the rest from mainly other Asian countries, according to=20 Disney's forecast. The government has forecast to bring HK$148 billion in benefits to HK=20 over a 40-year period and to create 18,000 new jobs. While the 18,000 jobs have materialized, many of the positions belong=20 to unskilled workers. The projected financial returns are also "too low" after putting down=20 so much, according to analysts. "The opening of DL this year could=20 prolong the boom for another 2 years," wrote Andy Xie, a HK-based=20 China-watcher and economist with investment bank Morgan Stanley in a=20 report issued in July. "While the boom has been good for employment at the bottom, it is not=20 so positive for the economy, as the retail goods are imported," he=20 said. "Beyond Chinese tourism, it is difficult to see other sources=20 of growth for HK and tourism will peak out." The HK government has also drawn criticism for failing to secure an=20 exclusive agreement with Disney to have the only such amusement park=20 in China. Disney's CEO-elect Robert Iger confirmed the company has been in=20 talks with Shanghai to have a 2nd park there after 2012. Ticket sales have not been as good as anticipated, with only the=20 opening day and some peak periods during the Golden Week holiday=20 period commencing Oct. 1 selling out. HKDL officials declined to disclose the exact sales figures,=20 insisting they are satisfied with the situation. The park is counting on tourists from the nascent middle-class on the=20 mainland to account for 1/3 of its attendance. With the park's daily capacity set at 30,000 visitors, patrons=20 complained about congestion, long queues and slow services during the=20 month-long trial leading up to Monday's opening. Moreover, a thick haze often hovers over the park because of=20 pollutants blown in from mainland China. The air pollution index exceeded the "very high" benchmark of 100 on=20 Monday, with the government warning people with respiratory problems=20 to stay indoors, and the park's landmark, Sleeping Beauty Castle,=20 shrouded in smog. The park is located on 125 hectares of reclaimed land on the=20 territory's Lantau Island, west of Hong Kong Island. ------------ 2005 Kyodo News =A9 Established 1945 =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Sep 12 15:31:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76225 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 22:31:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:30:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200509121530.AA1707671796@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Cyclone update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=D6D2xYuCcHS17V08ENLDtBewbz5hTOM-zOOrXW4zWHbWWUuGz7au X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >The 78-year-old coaster screeched to a dead halt >during its first death-defying 85-foot drop last >Saturday night when the three-car train struck a >"misaligned track" at 60 mph < Ouch! That could not have been pleasant. Hasn't the Cyclone had a really great safety record over the years? I hope the insurance company doesn't go berzerk over this and stick headrests and OTSRs on this ride as a knee-jerk reaction. It'll be interesting to find out how the track got "misaligned." Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Sep 12 15:45:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91021 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-4.cisco.com) (171.68.10.86) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Sep 2005 15:45:23 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j8CMiOWR003130 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:45:07 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:45:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050909140558.50824.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050909140558.50824.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <366FBBA8-4D30-43BC-97D6-45EE85C3C237@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2005 22:45:07.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FB9F910:01C5B7EB] X-Originating-IP: 171.68.10.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kennywood's latest attraction - Swing Shot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=QGlSkbbLPFB8OPiaDOk_rKr9RA-Dcxm_q_Lps8thIGNAN-qg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Lori, >> Anyone know if the Bayern Kurve is coming back? > > The last I heard is that the Kurve would be back but > in a different place Excellent news, thanks! The location isn't of such great importance to me, I'm just glad the ride is coming back. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Mon Sep 12 15:48:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38292 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 22:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 22:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 22:48:15 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so6974wri for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr2635wra; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:48:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: coasterdude318@gmail.com Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=6iBqN0t1JfiG8aEPJP4zyyGnQWKUzWK1n0icd8T6LCVBn29xoJ3QR4I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Straight from Six Flags (http://investors.sixflags.com): NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. today announced that it will permanently close its AstroWorld theme park in Houston at the end of the 2005 season, and that it has engaged Cushman & Wakefield to market the 109-acre site to the real estate development community. The sale is subject to the approval of Six Flags' bank lenders. The company said it expects a sale would yield significant proceeds given the property's size and location within a revitalized and dynamic area of the city and its proximity to so many of Houston's civic, healthcare and business enterprises. Proceeds from the sale would be used for debt reduction and general corporate purposes, the company said. The company said a disposition compares very favorably with other alternatives for the 37-year-old park, such as making significant additional investment to improve the park's performance by upgrading facilities and adding new rides and attractions. Among the factors that favored a sale were the park's relative performance over the past several years and continued uncertainty over offsite parking rights related to Reliant Stadium and the Texans football team and the Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, the company said. "We are always looking for opportunities to enhance shareholder value. In assessing the performance of this property relative to the significant increase in real estate values in the Houston market, we concluded that the best way to unlock this value for shareholders was to pursue a sale of the property," said Kieran Burke, chairman and CEO of Six Flags. "While we continually review our properties in order to determine the best allocation of resources, it is important to note that a unique set of circumstances applies to the AstroWorld property and this action should not be considered indicative of our intentions for any of our other parks." As previously announced on August 25, 2005, the company's Board of Directors has initiated a process to seek proposals from third parties regarding a possible sale of the company. Today's announcement regarding the AstroWorld property has no impact on the company's sale process, which is ongoing. The AstroWorld site is located near Reliant Park, Houston's major sports, entertainment and exhibition center, the museum district and the Texas Medical Center and is immediately adjacent to the city's new light rail system's Fannin South Station. The company said 119 permanent jobs will be lost as a result of the closure, with a number of employees likely to be offered jobs at other Six Flags properties. The park also employs approximately 1,500 workers on a seasonal basis. The 2005 seasonal staff will not be affected. Six Flags said it retains a significant presence in Houston with its Six Flags SplashTown water park, which is located on another site in the city and is expected to be enhanced with equipment from AstroWorld. Six Flags will also continue to serve the market with its parks in San Antonio and Arlington. "We had a great run with AstroWorld and have been proud to serve as a family entertainment venue in the community for so many years," said Mr. Burke. "We are grateful to everyone who visited, worked and supported AstroWorld, and we look forward to serving Houstonians at Six Flags SplashTown and other nearby Six Flags parks. We are very encouraged by the prospect that the site has great potential for economic development and are hopeful this sale will ultimately result in significant job creation and economic activity for the city of Houston." SIX FLAGS and all related indicia are trademarks of Six Flags Theme Parks, Inc. (R), (TM) and (C) 2005. From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Sep 12 16:31:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12735 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 23:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 23:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 23:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6390 invoked by uid 99); 12 Sep 2005 23:31:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20050912233152.6389.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 12 Sep 2005 18:31:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=4krdlr7v5jVX0k2XtvobfwTLvt9plNejQhwJt9l_jDZpeNx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 IMHO, this will be no great loss to the company. After visiting the park last season on my Texas vacation, the park ranked lowest overall of the 11 past and present Six Flags parks I have visited. As I was telling a co-worker just last week, when discussing that trip, I told him that if I were to do it again, I would spend a second day at either of the other parks, rather than going back there again. > > NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. today > announced that it will permanently close its AstroWorld theme park in > Houston at the end of the 2005 season, and that it has engaged Cushman > & Wakefield to market the 109-acre site to the real estate development > community. The sale is subject to the approval of Six Flags' bank > lenders. > Dave Rounds From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Mon Sep 12 16:38:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82633 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 23:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2005 23:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 23:38:58 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.3.) id r.1d6.44b7ff7a (2519) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d6.44b7ff7a.30576ae1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:36:01 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=JDx0Ml9PfKkx8f4derRLqOeuvJ9yEFo0Quvr_DjUztrZtOzsMiQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen the park, and it's close proximity to Reliant Arena. This doesn't surprise me as the problems with the parking, and the overall performance of the corporation warrants this type of measure. It wouldn't surprise me if more underperforming parks are closed. IMHO, this will be no great loss to the company. After visiting the park last season on my Texas vacation, the park ranked lowest overall of the 11 past and present Six Flags parks I have visited. As I was telling a co-worker just last week, when discussing that trip, I told him that if I were to do it again, I would spend a second day at either of the other parks, rather than going back there again. > > NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. today > announced that it will permanently close its AstroWorld theme park in > Houston at the end of the 2005 season, and that it has engaged Cushman > & Wakefield to market the 109-acre site to the real estate development > community. The sale is subject to the approval of Six Flags' bank > lenders. > Dave Rounds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 18:51:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96718 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 01:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 01:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 01:51:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 01:51:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:51:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d6.44b7ff7a.30576ae1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.25.46 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=I29b4lltAozcxlnWdHOzPVYm7J8texomiTVMidnVBPRb2erI6aXw X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > > I've seen the park, and it's close proximity to Reliant Arena. This doesn't > surprise me as the problems with the parking, and the overall performance of > the corporation warrants this type of measure. It wouldn't surprise me if > more underperforming parks are closed. I guess the real question at this point is where the rides will end up. It's not the most popular ride in the world, but their heartline twister is, at least, unique in North America. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 08:33:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12633 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 15:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 15:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 15:33:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 15:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 15:33:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:33:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: 3 Seoul Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cWdn-hRJfiyOIjZqgbAWjO2Fiv2bRw8Ly1pby_AkUfM-YMkGeg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Who: Randy and I What: TR for Lotte World, Children's Grand Park and Seoul Land When: 12 September 2005 Where: In and around Seoul, South Korea Why: To share my (semi)miserable day Yesterday I was anchored out at Pyongtaek-hang, South Korea, and I had the opportunity to get up to Seoul to hit some amusement parks. The ship couldn't decide when to let us off for the day, so we had a late start, not leaving on the first liberty boat until shortly after noon. Boat to Bus to Taxi to Train, and two subway transfers we arrived at Lotte World at about 3 PM. I have TR'd this park before here, and I was still impressed by the level of theming inside and out at this mall-top park. (30,000 Won, about $30) Sadly, the theme of the day would be closed rides at all three parks, and LW served up the first disappointment with Atlantis Adventure, the only Intamin Aqua Trax coaster in the world, closed for four days of maintenance! This rubbed me wrong because the last time I was here, in December 2003, the ride tested all day, but didn't open. We opted to ride the Intamin Gyro Swing instead, as the line was only about 6 cycles long. The cycle was longer than the Huss Giant Frisbee at Nagashima Spa Land, with 6 full span swings instead of 4, but the action seemed just a little less forceful. After, we found the entrance to the underground coaster, Comet Express near a band playing "American Rock and Roll" in Korean and English. Another Intamin ride, this one has 14 cars, but the first is themed with a large orange comet and the coaster name in fiberglass, with the rest of the train chasing the comet in pairs of free spinning riders. This ride is tire-driven with several coasting sections, but there is no lift hill anywhere. The layout was essentially three large helixes, in separate rooms. The first room wanted to be Space Mountain, the second had a crashed spaceship as its centerpiece, and a large monster gets a flyby in the third. Our car seemed to spend a lot of time facing the wrong direction, and only spun a small number of times, but the ride produced pleasant laterals and one moment of low-g, which was cool for what the ride was. After CE we took the Intamin monorail (they have more of the Imtamin catalog including a gyro drop, etc) back inside to hit French Revolution, an indoor Vekoma custom looper. Typically rough, with a single vertical loop and a couple helixes, this is still far down my list, but it does have the cool RCT factor of having a walkway that goes through the loop. We took the subway a few stops with one transfer to Children's Grand Park, (1,500 Won) a very nice city park with an area of rides in the back. The web site shows two coasters, a custom Meisho loop-screw named 88 Train and a mouse (unknown maker) with the all-too-common Crazy Mouse moniker. Sadly, all the rides had closed for the day, and the mouse was SBNO, as the cars' tops were lined up on the loading platform, and the bottoms were stranded around the track, including one that was valleyed out about halfway through the track. I took a few shots of the coasters, but it was getting dark and I don't know how they will look on screen yet. We took off and hopped back on the now crowded subway with all the Koreans headed home from work and headed over to Seoul Land at Seoul Grand Park, another large city park. We caught the tram to the front gate and paid the 23,000 Won for the twilight pass. The Meisho Double loop was closed for the night three hours before the rest of the park, so I couldn't compare it with the one at Fuji- Q. It also appears that a space theme as been applied to this ride. Including a minor name change to . We hit the Crazy Mouse, probably the weirdest mouse I have ever seen. It appears to be a Meisho from the full track length catwalk. The track is Vekoma style, with the side wheels on the inside. (Meisho does this sometimes too.) The single cars look like they came from a disassembled Arrow coaster train. Perhaps most strangely, there are zero switchbacks, the track layout simply being three large ovals with a single 360 degree helix and a whoopdee drop on each straight. Next up was Black Hole 2000, a custom Corkscrew that also appeared to be from Meisho. With the Vekoma style track, this was pretty rough, and in the back row there was severe jackhammering on every drop, not good on a steel coaster! I can't understand why only B&M and Intamin seem to be able to make a simple corkscrew where the transition into the cork isn't painful. (Viper at 6FMM isn't too bad either, I guess.) The last two coasters were the fastest Rudolph I've ever seen, and a Kiddy Coaster with a Speedy Gonzales train, a painful lift hill (rough chain engagement) and some crazy speed along its figure eight layout. The last ride of the night was on the park's flume. We didn't get wet, the layout wasn't at all that exciting, and it only has one drop, but what a drop it is! A double down with ejector air on a flume, and they shoot your picture while you are flying out of your seat! How cool is that? My eyes were closed, but Randy looks like he was on his way back to our ship, the hard way. Seoul Land was lit up pretty nice with lots of light strings, etc. The cork train even had lights on its sides. They were painting a lot of the pathways, but not so much that you couldn't get around. I think it would be nice to see the park in the daylight, but maybe the dark hid flaws. Who knows? They had a single S&S tower that appeared to be a combo version, and a healthy selection of other flats. I would have liked to have rode more, but it began to rain and we had a long way back to the ship, so we beat feet, and made it back to the ship on the last bus and the last boat. Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 11:19:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47385 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 18:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 18:19:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:19:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:19:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:19:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1862 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Construction under way on amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uhpQqPjdjSK7LKK9hyMT4rRlEZ_hxViW2d7svmSraXNFw-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 13, 2005 THE PEORIA JOURNAL STAR http://www.pjstar.com/stories/091305/REG_B7I11FAJ.030.shtml BY ERINN DESHINSKY UTICA, IL -- Giant concrete slabs hung in the air as a crew=20 constructed a 60' wall for an indoor amusement park Monday. Grizzly Jacks Grand Bear Lodge and Indoor Waterpark Resort is=20 expanding its attractions as owners begin construction of a 39,000-sq- ft indoor amusement park. The park is the next addition to the=20 resort, which includes a hotel, water park, vacation villas,=20 restaurants and a miniature golf course. One of the resort owners, Keith Wolick, said he hopes to have=20 the "Enchanted Forest" amusement park open by Jan. 1, 2006.=20 Construction began Friday on the building, which will include 10=20 rides, a family-style pizza restaurant and a stage for music=20 entertainment. "We're pretty excited, I'm very happy with our rides,"=20 Wolick said. "They are like carnival rides." Wolick named the Tilt-a-Whirl and the Eclipse as major features at=20 the park. The forest-themed building will also include a miniature=20 Ferris wheel and bumper cars. Wolick said all of the rides are safe for children age 7 to adult. 3=20 rides are geared for younger children. "It's very family oriented,"=20 Wolick said. Wolick said he is looking to include food vendors and games as space=20 permits. He said the park will be open to the public, so people can=20 enjoy the carnival atmosphere year-round. "There are no windows. The=20 lights from the rides will be the main light source," Wolick=20 said. "So you will feel like you're at a carnival in the nighttime." A pizza restaurant will overlook a stage, which Wolick said he hopes=20 will feature live music. "We've got big plans," Wolick said, adding=20 that if the park is a huge success an additional outdoor site for=20 larger rides could be added. ------------- =A9 2005 PEORIA JOURNAL STAR, INC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 11:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20479 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:23:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:23:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:23:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Family plans to sue amusement park over child's death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ajv9MZrHofJSEnye4BwWY7-7VEyNoxUx_2gkFOr1RPZDYJY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 13, 2005 Associated Press WFSB Eyewitness News http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3842744&nav=1VGmeSSw WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- A Connecticut family has hired an attorney and is expected to announce a lawsuit against Rye Playland in connection with the death of their 7-y.o. boy. The family of Jon Kely Cassara says the lawsuit will charged the park and Westchester County with negligence, carelessness and wrongful death. The family has hired Manhattan attorney, Marvin Salenger, who specializes in personal injury lawsuits. The family says it intends to donate any money that it might get to establishing homes and schools for deprived and abused children. Jon Kely died of blunt trauma to the head on August 3rd, after becoming trapped by a conveyor belt under 30" of water in the Ye Old Mill, an indoor tunnel-of-love-style ride at the amusement park. The family statement asserts that the ride should have had seat belts, better supervision and that the boy should not have been allowed to ride alone. Investigators concluded the child was not seated properly at the time of the accident but the exact reason that he left the boat remains a mystery, since there were no witnesses or recording devices. County spokeswoman Susan Tolchin said state officials conducted a thorough investigation and concluded there was no negligence on the county's part. She says the ride has been in existence for over 75 years and over six (M) million people have been on it without an accident. ------------- Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. Copyright 2001 - 2005 WorldNow and WFSB. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 11:33:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99642 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 18:33:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:32:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:32:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 18:32:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:32:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Woman gets pregnant after 'acrobatic joyride' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RmOJrodTordRKDtWiktoAjsGlRBlQeOVIm_7bTRsXyp05ME X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep 12, 2005 News.com http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16568129-13762,00.html?from=rss Hassloch, Germany -- FERTILITY scientists will be pricking up their ears at the news that a woman who had been barren for several years has conceived thanks to a ride on a particularly fierce rollercoaster. Nayade Elbing, 28, and her husband Arnold had been trying to have children for several years and had consulted doctors in the hope of scientific help in their quest. But according to their doctor, Thomas Gent, it was G-force, rather than hitting the G-spot, that made the difference. After making love at home, Elbing and her husband visited their local entertainment park in Hassloch, Germany, which boasts one of the world's fastest and most acrobatic rollercoasters, dubbed Expedition GeForce. A week later, tests showed Elbing was pregnant. "We believe that she conceived due to the G-force of the rollercoaster ride," Dr Gent said. Cuban-born Elbing has since given birth to Leandro Elias - who has been given a lifetime pass for free rollercoaster rides. ------------- Copyright 2005 News Limited From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 13 12:16:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70852 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 19:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 19:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 19:16:26 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFGGX-0004Dx-Td for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:16:26 -0400 Message-ID: <43272598.3030105@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:16:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d298e0f55efb765e0f159f94469bff29508350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Family plans to sue amusement park over child's death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=u4x6owmNUcUM7mDSRh-AwS0ppTn3H1I91mrFqaW7xkdphG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Not unexpected I guess, which is kind of sad... Alan wrote: > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- A Connecticut family has hired an attorney and > is expected to announce a lawsuit against Rye Playland in connection > with the death of their 7-y.o. boy. > The family statement asserts that the ride should have had seat > belts, How many years has this ride operated without them? It's slow moving and you think that common sense would say to stay seated, but... > better supervision and that the boy should not have been > allowed to ride alone. Ok, I can see some shared blame here. Perhaps the ride operators should not have allowed the kid to ride alone. I won't argue that. But what about the parents' responsibility to supervise their child and ride with them? Even though my kids know how they're supposed to ride, I still won't let them go on things without someone riding with them to watch. To let a child ride all by themselves, with no one else in the boat, is just pure stupidity all the way around in my opinion. I just don't get how parents can do that. And that's with having to deal with some of the most imbecilic parents all the time at the school I work at. I see it all the time, but I sure the heck don't understand it. Just sad that what seems to me to be obvious oversight on several parts here cost a child their life and now has to further hurt people with a lawsuit. keep on suing George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 13 12:24:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68384 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFGNu-0007es-D8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:24:02 -0400 Message-ID: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:24:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d295d0ea875f5a30080aa9bc3383adab7dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=rrK9wE9EY7OxFLnbrJGNBLVIsDKKsSuKMWhtcPGFnimP7sA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate K. wrote: > Straight from Six Flags (http://investors.sixflags.com): > > NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. today > announced that it will permanently close its AstroWorld theme park in > Houston at the end of the 2005 season, a Unbelievable. I know the chain is struggling, but it still seems shocking to me that they would go and close one of their older and most established parks. Even with the bad reviews. I wonder if they really don't have any clue on how to clean it up to make it decent. > Among the factors > that favored a sale were the park's relative performance over the past > several years and continued uncertainty over offsite parking rights > related to Reliant Stadium and the Texans football team and the > Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, the company said. I think that the parking issue may have a huge amount to do with it. This has been an ongoing battle for a while now, with several of their parking lots that they had the rights to use being closed off and lots of fighting with the city, arenas, and others about it, as I recall. I'm wondering how much of this is a stab right to the city and the others over it. So with the possible loss of tax revenues to the city and the parking fees to the stadiums, any chance that they may decide that perhaps they should start actually trying to work out the parking issue instead of losing the jobs and the tax base? And if not, do you think that there will be further legal action from Six Flags against the other entities since there was a legal agreement that they violated about the parking (if I'm recalling correctly) Part of me is really kicking myself too. When we were planning out our road trip last summer across the country, I had the option of taking a route that would have been to all of the TX parks and SFNO, but instead opted to go the northern route. Now at least one of the parks I would have hit looks to be gone, and very likely two. What a loss. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 13 12:36:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26108 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 19:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 19:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 19:36:45 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2005 12:36:45 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,106,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="341316401:sNHT29754572" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j8DJaM5A022694 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:36:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08FED9CD-FD8D-4173-B98A-271F691E842C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:36:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2005 19:36:36.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[74463640:01C5B89A] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=MKx0BDQNdTZ_uz6b44WDkI3O41rc4irX0UScT_WF7S0C73f9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Even with the bad reviews. I wonder if they really don't have any > clue on how to clean it up to make it decent. I doubt that they actually don't know how to fix it up ... it's probably more a case of 'why bother'.. (I've never been there, though .. I don't know first hand what it's like. I can't imagine it's worse than Six Flags America, though). > This has been an ongoing battle for a while now, with several of their > parking lots that they had the rights to use being closed off and lots > of fighting with the city, arenas, and others about it, as I recall. Which leads to the question .. could Six Flags be bluffing? I'm sure they're prepared to close the park down if nothing changes .. but maybe they're also prepared to keep it open if the parking situation is resolved. Of course, the parking thing might just be their public excuse for this move.. > Part of me is really kicking myself too. It's always a shame when a park closes .. Even though I doubt I would have ever gone there, I'm still a little sad. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Play a real game, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Play pinball! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Sep 13 12:55:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23783 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 19:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 19:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m15.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 19:55:14 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.3.) id r.12d.649b9268 (15898) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d36 (mblk-d36.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.220]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a43272e843d1; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:54:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:54:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> Received: from 66.213.99.49 by mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.220) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:54:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13964 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.220 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though this is definitely a loss to the amusement industry, if a park had to close, I would have chosen this one. Last time I attended, I really thought it was poorly ran. They only ran one train on all of the coasters, and the staff really wasnt all that friendly. I do hope they will move SWAT to another park. Thats such a wonderful S&S ride. Diablo Falls is also a great ride, as is Greazed Lightenin. I hope those rides get moved to more well attended parks. -----Original Message----- From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:24:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close Nate K. wrote: > Straight from Six Flags (http://investors.sixflags.com): > > NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. today > announced that it will permanently close its AstroWorld theme park in > Houston at the end of the 2005 season, a Unbelievable. I know the chain is struggling, but it still seems shocking to me that they would go and close one of their older and most established parks. Even with the bad reviews. I wonder if they really don't have any clue on how to clean it up to make it decent. > Among the factors > that favored a sale were the park's relative performance over the past > several years and continued uncertainty over offsite parking rights > related to Reliant Stadium and the Texans football team and the > Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, the company said. I think that the parking issue may have a huge amount to do with it. This has been an ongoing battle for a while now, with several of their parking lots that they had the rights to use being closed off and lots of fighting with the city, arenas, and others about it, as I recall. I'm wondering how much of this is a stab right to the city and the others over it. So with the possible loss of tax revenues to the city and the parking fees to the stadiums, any chance that they may decide that perhaps they should start actually trying to work out the parking issue instead of losing the jobs and the tax base? And if not, do you think that there will be further legal action from Six Flags against the other entities since there was a legal agreement that they violated about the parking (if I'm recalling correctly) Part of me is really kicking myself too. When we were planning out our road trip last summer across the country, I had the option of taking a route that would have been to all of the TX parks and SFNO, but instead opted to go the northern route. Now at least one of the parks I would have hit looks to be gone, and very likely two. What a loss. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be like created here: http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and would not like to see there. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:05:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66681 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:05:33 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so12618rnf for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.74 with SMTP id y74mr100785rnb; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.31 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30509131305562f5faf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:05:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: bethtoons@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=giWb5PFNpzxy19AYQ3Y9_Reja9k_F8AloK6d_IlSdgv-Pb9e X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't been there yet... actually throwing together a last minute trip for late next month to get down there before it closes because I haven't been there yet. I'm going to try to go in with an open mind, although I haven't heard much good about how the place is run, and I can only imagine that that would be even more lackluster with employees knowing that they'll be out of a job in a couple weeks anyway. *shrug* If nothing else, I won't regret not getting there even if the visit just validates the negative things I've already heard. Beth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From exitenglish@gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:22:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90842 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:22:53 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so13005nza for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.89.7 with SMTP id m7mr1099748nzb; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.100.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:22:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Reply-To: exitenglish@gmail.com Subject: TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=vybwZUmqEcsWNC1olVYbNQ_W32GhuDMyTE1sIPkJoIOToqw_e8nU X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got back in this morning after 10 days in Florida for a nice, relaxing vacation. Those who know me know that trip reports aren't my thing at all, but I just thought I would share a few notes on the happenings in FL. Somewhere between drinking around the world at EPCOT and celebrating new year at Pleasure Island, I found myself dropping by some of my favorite Florida attractions. Just a few highlights: 1.) The appliance direct commercial is still around. Same cast, different version. I still miss the first one, but that didn't stop me from watching this one on repeat and calling to leave a sound byte on Jeremy D's voicemail. 2.) I finally "get" Hulk. it's a LOT f fun, and very intense. Same thing with the dragons.I wonder if it has something to do with losing all that weight that makes everything seem more intense now or something. That, or maybe it's the fact that I'm not into coasters like I used to be and everything is just fun? 3.) Mummy - Florida's BLOWS AWAY California's. This one's "backward" section is nothing more than a way to move you back into the turntable so it can launch you forward but its still a blast. 4.) ShieKra - ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I really don't know what to say for this one. It's hard to explain but it needs more or it needs less. it either needs to pull an oblivion or keep going after that splashdown part. I really think the "oh no" factor of the 2nd drop is ruined because you already know what to expect after the first. If they continued after the turn/splash/stop and maybe did a few more turns or a loop or something, it would bring a different feeling of pacing to the ride. It's just "off" right now. Another complaint I have with that ride is that even when you're sirting in the back row, and your feet can't reach the floor, they still make you wear your flip-flops. I was just going to hold them or sit on them but they made me wear them and the whole ride I was worried about keeping them on my feet. 5.) Kumba - still my favorite ride there 6.) VIP beer tasting - this is something new since the last time I was there. they give you cheeses and grapes and strawberries and chocolates to taste along with different beers and ask you to describe the elements of the flavors and whatever. plus it's extra free beer. 7.) Disney was fun as usual, and I took a ton of pics. I will post them once I get them transferred and uploaded. I think that's it - the rest of my hanging out and relaxing is probably not of much interest to anyone :) -Josh -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 13:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28292 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:44:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 20:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 20:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 20:44:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:44:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WmKH_PLgzNLUYSPikyuZ9o1BAIs7Expmn-ZJ-780DBnA2qE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > So with the possible loss of tax revenues to the city and the parking > fees to the stadiums, any chance that they may decide that perhaps they > should start actually trying to work out the parking issue instead of > losing the jobs and the tax base? Even though I'm kinda stunned about this I got to thinking... Considering where the park is located, it may actually be more profitable for both 6F and the City to have the property used for something else. ??? It sounded like 6F is going to be moving some of the rides to the Waterpark (looking at the list of rides available, there are several that would fit easily into a waterpark setting), then I'm sure they would move the other rides to other parks, effectively "Adding" rides to other parks at basically little cost. Unfortunately, it sounds like a smart move. -Alan From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:46:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7119 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:46:24 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 49so43988wri for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.7 with SMTP id 7mr16524wrs; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:44:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: coasterdude318@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Construction under way on amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=Gku9OvINfi19g3OgsC0OabTnYI-nSIppQpb6oQs2kUJGk8gvsQqSlmE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Wolick named the Tilt-a-Whirl and the Eclipse as major features at=20 > the park.=20 Does anyone know if this is a Fabbri Eclipse or something else? If it is, that seems like a bit of an odd choice. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 13:51:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18688 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:51:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 20:49:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2005 20:49:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:49:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GFOcLd-2HTmrnyK79ECT9DBj1IgYjnf6GoorMEkFF8kyr2c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh wrote: > SNIP < > 1.) The appliance direct commercial is still around. Same cast, different > version. I still miss the first one, but that didn't stop me from watching > this one on repeat and calling to leave a sound byte on Jeremy D's > voicemail. Huh? -Alan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Sep 13 13:54:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84551 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:54:41 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.3.) id r.195.474a3c18 (4214) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <195.474a3c18.3058966a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:54:02 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Woman gets pregnant after 'acrobatic joyride' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=I4uV4-R5ozdeBWyNK-VUP6HM3rgm7l3KTKYlVL-lQkU7_llYKB-y X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's bizzare. -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:55:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82129 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so42886wri for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr16786wra; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:54:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30509131305562f5faf@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> <74b0c9f30509131305562f5faf@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: coasterdude318@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=gljxC3WO3LpvXUGGSucutnb0k-a4QxJnnXoFegz_NLxszcK2qNRMsWw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I haven't been there yet... actually throwing together a last minute trip= =20 > for late next month to get down there before it closes because I haven't= =20 > been there yet.=20 Chris and I are looking to go next month as well. I'll e-mail you about it off-list, but I'm wondering if anyone here can offer any suggestions for getting around Houston without a car. I know there's a Metro/light rail system. Does anyone know if it's easy to use?=20 Specifically, how difficult is it to get from the airport (Bush) to the park? I appreciate any and all feedback! Thanks, Nate From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Sep 13 17:02:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27757 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 00:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 00:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 00:02:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:00:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=gRSMwzp3SLn_IB9_A4iMTvt4RtbVA9HN5OwkOdHvCDRLP29Vj6L6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Yes, the property had been ignored by Six Flags for years. But it is significant as one of the early original Six Flags parks. It also has one of the last few surviving Bill Cobb coasters, the Texas Cyclone (which will in all likelihood be leveled) and Schwartzkopf's great Greez'd Lightning (which hopefully will be relocated). Notice some of the statements in the article: "We are always looking for opportunities to enhance shareholder value." Read: we're always looking for the quickest buck. > Six Flags will also continue to serve the market with its parks in San Antonio and Arlington. < Ummm...I think it's a bit of a hike to Fiesta Texas.... "We are very encouraged by the prospect that the site has great potential for economic development" So to hell with the park; we'll take the money and run.... Interesting that the company's failure to make this park viable is looked upon as a "great potential for economic development." Maybe if they had spent a bit of time and money finding a niche for the park, it would have been saved. Like all parks, I'm sure that in a decade or so it will be sorely missed. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 17:20:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51566 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 00:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 00:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 76888 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 00:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20050914002042.76886.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:20:42 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=pZZEv31vrbJ5kYOT0-sNcZ_Hc4ocXpzyRfg3wKZaKgS2tUzY X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Josh wrote: [A Whole Bunch of Florida Stuff] Good to hear! I'll be in FL. next month, and though I wont get to IOA and see Hulk, I will be spending a lot of time at the DIsney Parks. But the real reason I replied... > "The truth > is you could slit my throat > And with my one last gasping breath > I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." Where is this quote from? I swear I've seen/heard it before! lata, jeremy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From jophish17@comcast.net Tue Sep 13 20:04:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2875 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 03:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 03:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 03:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 03:04:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 03:04:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:04:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 963 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=Ai3NF_BfAtMZid62zChUBVqEbHYX7gdwBPF6NwTaRIdc0Ay0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate K." wrote: > > Chris and I are looking to go next month as well. I'll e-mail you > about it off-list, but I'm wondering if anyone here can offer any > suggestions for getting around Houston without a car. I know there's > a Metro/light rail system. Does anyone know if it's easy to use? > Specifically, how difficult is it to get from the airport (Bush) to > the park? > Can you fly into Hobby? I know the different airports can make a world of a difference regarding prices, but it is much closer to the park (about five or so miles away). The light rail system is downtown only. I'm pretty sure the south end of the line is near the stadium and park, but still, it pretty much stays within the downtown area. I don't think that it served either airport, but the last time I was in Houston was the same week it opened so they may have expanded, but I had not heard of any such plans. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 13 21:29:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99254 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 04:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 04:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 04:29:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7939A72 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:29:18 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> References: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:29:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=c0pAYNjGeYZsmSc8qM5ngHfZZScmjXOhK81D9FEq3xznyUbU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > "We are always looking for opportunities to enhance shareholder > value." > > Read: we're always looking for the quickest buck. You say that like it's a bad thing .. remember that for a public company, there is nothing more important than the stock price. And the goal of the CEO is to get the stock has high as possible, as quickly as possible, an by spending the least amount of money. That's all that matters .. sure it's cold, but sadly it's the way of the world. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** No, No.. * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm doing the sauce! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 14 04:05:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6911 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 11:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 11:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 11:05:39 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFV4o-000607-Ja for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: <432803FE.7030306@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:05:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d29397e1305fcbde5ff3ff1621659dd84b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QPxFcSoDrapdLQ3qJBXdIKC1whtCACbneERmbgOMsF6JFgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > "We are always looking for opportunities to enhance shareholder > > value." > > > > Read: we're always looking for the quickest buck. > > You say that like it's a bad thing .. remember that for a public > company, there is nothing more important than the stock price. And > the goal of the CEO is to get the stock has high as possible, as > quickly as possible, an by spending the least amount of money. That's > all that matters .. sure it's cold, but sadly it's the way of the world. > Yes, but Cam, there is often a huge difference between the quickest buck and the largest/ best. All to often companies now are very short sighted and take the quickest dollar they can, when if they looked longer term and invested a bit different, they would make far more money overall. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From exitenglish@gmail.com Wed Sep 14 06:39:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11321 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 13:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 13:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 13:39:35 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so131010nzo for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.221.76 with SMTP id t76mr804933nzg; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.100.12 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:39:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050914002042.76886.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <20050914002042.76886.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Reply-To: exitenglish@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=xVAvLIOaHVvpgWMARr3ESwgP4y1F-MAif8h5NnrGxSz2Y1qrcMHh X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > "The truth > > is you could slit my throat > > And with my one last gasping breath > > I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." > > Where is this quote from? I swear I've seen/heard it > before! > lata, jeremy > >> It's actually from a Taking Back Sunday song. I actually forgot I had that as my signature :) Glad to hear your spending time at Disney. I stayed at All-Star Movies this time around, and it was pretty nice. 9 out of the 10 days I was in FL, I was at one or more of the Disney parks, at least for a little while -Josh __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be > like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and > would not like to see there. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Theme park > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 14 06:56:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56365 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 13:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 13:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 13:56:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C9C9A72 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:56:28 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <432803FE.7030306@earthlink.net> References: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> <432803FE.7030306@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F2438EB-351A-4DB0-BE88-DF906F6A1314@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:56:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ntGinb3ry6wMxBjYg8zfdHm0GVXeddklsUSPcVffmpybDuXZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi George, > Yes, but Cam, there is often a huge difference between the quickest > buck > and the largest/ best. Oh sure .. but it's unrealistic to expect large public companies to consider anything other than "this quarter results". > All to often companies now are very short sighted and take the > quickest dollar they can, when if they looked longer term and > invested a bit different, they would make far more money overall. Again, you're absolutely right. But no CEO will sit there and tell his board "we're going to spend $10,000,000, and in 10 years the stock price will be double what it is now" .. when he could say "we're going to spend $20,000,000 and the stock price will double by the end of the year" - even though everyone knows that it's probably bad way to spend the $20,000,000, they don't care. All they care about is how much money they'll (personally) be able to make when the stock price doubles by the end of the year. That's exactly where Six Flags is at the moment (and has been for several years) .. I'll admit that they're at the very extreme side of it, but pretty much every public company is guilty of the same thing. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 08:57:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1064 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 15:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 15:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 15:57:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:56:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:56:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 'Parachute' drop to spur Coney fixup X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R4x3ObsreHUmEaT31gfLa4djSlxZb6PxQpFawp8SfPJbn-o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 14, 2005 New York Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/346304p-295499c.html Brooklyn, NY -- Get ready for a new ride, Coney Island. Mayor Bloomberg is set to unveil a redevelopment plan today that=20 reshapes Coney Island and turns the famed-but-tired Brooklyn=20 amusement Mecca into a year-round entertainment destination - and an=20 economic engine. "Tomorrow is a great day for the people of this=20 wonderful city, and especially the residents of Coney Island," gushed=20 City Councilman Domenic Recchia (D-Coney Island). A revamped Coney Island will center on what is being=20 called "Parachute Pavilion," a restaurant-and-park complex built at=20 the foot of the landmarked but long-defunct Parachute Jump, Recchia=20 said. The B&B Carrousel, recently purchased by the city for $1.8 million,=20 will move to the Boardwalk, and local amusements will be retained -=20 but updated. "Coney Island is no longer Coney Island if it looks like=20 any other seaside resort," said a source. "It needs to retain that=20 freak show, retro atmosphere." According to an early draft, the plan calls for a new hotel, a=20 beachfront spa, open-air cafes and a grand glass entrance to the New=20 York Aquarium. The mayor's final proposal also is expected to include plans to boost=20 residential development, an expectation that spurred speculative lot=20 purchases on Surf Ave. --------- =A9 2005 Daily News, L.P. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 09:02:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31335 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:02:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:02:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:02:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Developers Line up for 109-Acre AstroWorld Closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QOHQRKFfrfXE5lZyD5JX51_z64i6iWGKtVemQmLIWESpEH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 14, 2005 GlobeSt.com http://www.globest.com/news/370_370/houston/138215-1.html By Amy Wolff Sorter HOUSTON, TX --While the announced year-end closing of Six Flags=20 Inc.'s AstroWorld theme park is likely to disappoint the visitors who=20 flock there to experience everything from Looney Tunes to thrill=20 rides, the Greater Houston real estate community is gearing up for=20 what sources point out could be an extremely interesting=20 redevelopment and repositioning. The property's proximity to the medical center area--combined with=20 the increasing value of land in the area--makes the 109 acres of the=20 amusement park, which is currently on the selling block, a potential=20 gold mine for those who want to bid on the property. As soon as word=20 hit the street that 6FAW's for sale, the Cushman & Wakefield of Texas=20 Inc. marketing team started getting telephone calls. "When this was announced, my phone started ringing until I got home,"=20 says David Cook C&W's executive VP who's teaming with Jeff Peden and=20 Marshall Davidson to sell the site for 6F. "We've gotten at least a=20 dozen requests for confidentiality agreements, which get them on the=20 list for further details. There is a high degree of interest in this=20 property." He tells GlobeSt.com interest in the land is so high that=20 a deal could close before first quarter 2006. Such news and information does not come as a surprise to Bob Lanier,=20 former mayor of Houston, who now manages his own real estate=20 firm. "It's something that's fairly common in the real estate=20 business," he says, noting land can be used for one purpose year=20 after year while increasing in value. As a result, "value is=20 maximized by the owner and the owner decides to sell," he=20 says. "Overall, it's healthy and it helps drive a more efficient real=20 estate market." While the value of the theme park's dirt hasn't been fully disclosed,=20 Cook says prices on land can range anywhere from $25 per sf in the=20 single-family residential areas to as much as $200 per sf in the=20 medical district. The land's proximity to the Texas Medical Center is only one reason=20 for potential development. Harris County community and economic=20 development director David Turkel points out the property is located=20 inside the fast-growing Inner Loop and it's along the light-rail=20 line. "This is likely to be a wonderful area for retail and=20 commercial development, possibly with a medical component," Turkel=20 says. As a result, sources believe the future of today's theme park will=20 likely be tomorrow's mixed-use development. "No one has called and=20 said they want to build office buildings there, but otherwise, we've=20 had interest from retail and multi-use developments from medical as=20 well as land developers," Cook says. Lanier acknowledges multifamily development might be a little less=20 desirable for the site. "That's overdone in our market right now," he=20 says. What he does foresee is a mixed-use area, with potential focus=20 on the medical center. "That's one of the true growth industries," he=20 adds. ------------- =A9 2005 Real Estate Media From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 09:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98680 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:08:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:08:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:08:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland planning second theme park in Hong Kong X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zp27XqZ91CsHz-KF8GOiqUOo25KuXVgh8Cu88wXJE0tIpGw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14 September 2005 Interactive Investor Trading Limited http://www.iii.co.uk/news/? type=afxnews&articleid=5404438&action=article HONG KONG, China -- Disneyland is planning to build a 2nd theme park in Hong Kong, The Standard reported citing the company's chairman George Mitchell. Reclamation work has already begun near the theme park, Mitchell said. "Eventually, the addition of an entire new theme park adjacent to the current park will transform the site into a true multi-day destination resort," he said. The report also quoted Financial Secretary Henry Tang as saying that the government expects construction of the 2nd phase to start as early as 2010. The paper said the 1st phase is expected to draw 5.6 mln visitors in its first year and create 18,000 jobs. It is expected to generate revenue of 148 bln hkd over 40 years. The government owns 57% of the theme park. ------------- Copyright - Interactive Investor Trading Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 09:16:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47082 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:16:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:16:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:16:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:16:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Mega theme park resort to be built in 'Dubailand' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_xC6SX8eUtIvw-GoCv-sDAj0T501ADKIHhKihv7ph1VSnMA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep 12, 2005 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/afp/20050912/wl_mideast_afp/uaedubaitourism_050912194854 DUBAI -- A mega theme park resort will be built in the Gulf emirate=20 of Dubai at a cost of seven billion dirhams (1.9 billion dollars),=20 developers said. "Aqua Dunya, comprising the largest and most diverse=20 theme park resort in the Middle East and a residential community of=20 3,400 apartments, will rise from the middle of the United Arab=20 Emirates (UAE) desert by early 2008," Al-Sharq Development, a=20 subsidiary of the Saudi-based Al Sharq group of companies, said in a=20 statement. "The world's largest cruise ship, The Desert Pearl... (will) serve as=20 the centerpiece of the theme park resort," which will be built=20 within "Dubailand," a complex projected as a Middle East version of=20 Disneyland. The ship, 407 meters (1,335 feet) long and 95 meters (311 feet) from=20 water line to top of its 8 masts, will contain a climate-controlled=20 indoor element of the theme park and a luxury hotel. Construction of the eight-million-sq-ft (743,000-sq-m) resort will=20 start in January 2006 and its launch will coincide with the opening=20 of phase one of Dubailand in early 2008. The project was unveiled 2 days after the announcement that a 1.5- billion-dollar city housing structures modeled after ancient and=20 modern wonders of the world will be built as part of Dubailand. Dubai, one of 7 emirates making up the UAE, is in the midst of a=20 construction frenzy, with resorts, malls, sports installations and=20 residential complexes sprouting up across its desert sands. The emirate hosted 5.4 million visitors last year and has made plans=20 to receive about 15 million a year from 2010. ------------ =A9 2005 Agence France Presse =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 09:21:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16189 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:21:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:20:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:20:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tempe Theme Park Proposed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UuXwj7p5XsZDeaYttxcsi18zWDXSPwykZaXDjeVS0pwsw1c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 9/12/05 KPHO News 5 http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3836520&nav=23KueP7x Tempe, AZ -- An international theme park designed by A.S.U. students is being proposed between the northbound and southbound spans of the Mill Avenue Bridge. The Tempe Sister City Corporation spearheaded the proposal in an effort to showcase the group's ties to 7 cities around the world. The cities include Skopje, Republic of Macedonia; Regensburg, Germany; Lower Hutt, New Zealand; Zhenjiang, China; Timbuktu, Mali; Beaulieu sur Mer, France; and Carlow, Ireland. The project could cost from $3 to 5 million, depending on the concept. In August, the City Council agreed to move forward with the park proposal. The Rio Salado Town Lake Foundation is raising funds for the project and is about $2 million from its goal. ------------ Copyright 2001 - 2005 WorldNow and News 5 From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Sep 14 09:31:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32730 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8EGUpAJ000821 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:30:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <9F2438EB-351A-4DB0-BE88-DF906F6A1314@buzzneon.com> References: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> <432803FE.7030306@earthlink.net> <9F2438EB-351A-4DB0-BE88-DF906F6A1314@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AC8B74C-6A2B-4478-A054-D873327545AB@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:32:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=43PJkNySGafOUHdv_JlPZzQZO-VKbTaJWx4xBs-rGBz1GU0-Snt0 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> All to often companies now are very short sighted and take the >> quickest dollar they can, when if they looked longer term and >> invested a bit different, they would make far more money overall. >> > > Again, you're absolutely right. But no CEO will sit there and tell > his board "we're going to spend $10,000,000, and in 10 years the > stock price will be double what it is now" .. when he could say > "we're going to spend $20,000,000 and the stock price will double by > the end of the year" - even though everyone knows that it's probably > bad way to spend the $20,000,000, they don't care. All they care > about is how much money they'll (personally) be able to make when the > stock price doubles by the end of the year. That's exactly where Six > Flags is at the moment (and has been for several years) .. I'll admit > that they're at the very extreme side of it, but pretty much every > public company is guilty of the same thing. I agree, but I don't think this is as bad as its being made out to be. SFAW is dead weight for the company, and has been continuously been a dumping ground for coasters that no other park wants for the past 15 years. I think it will be better in the long run... obviously not for SFAW, but for SF in general. It's one less park that they have to try to make better... and they can instead focus their resources and money on other parks that have a better shot at doing well. One of the main problems with SF I think, besides the ones you mentioned, is that they have too many parks to maintain... and they try to make all perform well, but it diffuses so much that the parks only perform mediocre. And it doesn't help that the executives are so focused on "industry trends" that they fail to do anything creative in order to define their own trends... but thats the same everywhere, just look at TV shows and movies... and they're also wondering why they're not making as much money as they thought they would. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 09:34:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21550 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 16:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 16:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 16:34:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 16:32:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:32:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New GM named for Six Flags hotel, water park complex X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8KvCRpdmIcttSLuYfxVj8E8mZcFFFZa0NNhguhGVMINmwyg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 12, 2005 The Business Review Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050912/1163064.html?.v=3D1 Lake George, NY -- Six Flags Inc. on Monday named a general manager=20 for its new hotel and indoor water park. Daniel Williams will oversee the operations of the Six Flags Great=20 Escape Lodge & Indoor Waterpark. Previously, Williams managed=20 properties including Sheraton, Doubletree, and Springhill Suites by=20 Marriott during the 11 years he was employed by Pacific Concord=20 Investment Corp. of Eatontown, N.J. The new hotel will feature a multi-level, 38,000-sq-ft indoor=20 waterpark with more than 150 activities including a raft ride, tube=20 water slides, a play lagoon and simulated beach. It will be open year=20 round. Six Flags officials estimate that 60 to 70 new full-time workers will=20 be hired to staff the park and hotel. ------------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 10:37:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24824 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 17:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 17:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 17:37:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 17:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 17:37:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:37:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200509131700.AA2117402680@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1140 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.36 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=m6fyzgJZBEGTfaiQ4zJPOlIutxn8iz3VQ-WWXNzimksxOAVj-w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Yes, the property had been ignored by Six Flags for years. But it is significant as one of the early original Six Flags parks. It also has one of the last few surviving Bill Cobb coasters, the Texas Cyclone (which will in all likelihood be leveled) and Schwartzkopf's great Greez'd Lightning (which hopefully will be relocated). Notice some of the statements in the article: > Jay Other boards seem to be focusing on what will be lost and saved. Greez'd Lightning seems a shoo-in to disappear, as 6F has at least one shuttle loop sitting in storage (6FMW, I think.) SWAT seems like the most likely to be saved with a move to another park, as it is so new. Everything else that's not a water ride seems to sit squarely on the fence and could go either way. :( Many people seem to be holding out some hope that the Knobel's folks could buy up Texas Cyclone. Personally, I don't know if it is different enough from KG's other coasters to warrant the effort to relocate it, but if anyone can pull it off, they do seem to be the best bet. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 10:41:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64338 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 17:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 17:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 17:41:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12805 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 17:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20050914174140.12803.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:41:39 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:41:39 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=PUd9k0S64gXLsnr_aKd3KaHkqtgltCJh0xoM2XZ0F_uo7VY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Many people seem to be holding out some hope that > the Knobel's folks > could buy up Texas Cyclone. Personally, I don't know > if it is > different enough from KG's other coasters to warrant > the effort to > relocate it, but if anyone can pull it off, they do > seem to be the > best bet. With the original Cyclone only a few hours away and considering the Texas ride's history of lawsuits I don't know why Dick would pick that coaster to save. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 10:52:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76931 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 17:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 17:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 17:52:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 17:51:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 17:51:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:51:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050914174140.12803.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.36 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=D3GPTw9eYSQVG-ngKZTu9D_NSJ_6NfvWmqxItYuwqXF0-xZgPg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > > Many people seem to be holding out some hope that > > the Knobel's folks > > could buy up Texas Cyclone. Personally, I don't know > > if it is > > different enough from KG's other coasters to warrant > > the effort to > > relocate it, but if anyone can pull it off, they do > > seem to be the > > best bet. > > With the original Cyclone only a few hours away and > considering the Texas ride's history of lawsuits I > don't know why Dick would pick that coaster to save. > > Adam > That was the other thing I didn't know since I've never been to AW: TC is (yet) another Cyclone Clone. Therefore, no real reason to save it, as it isn't unique or special. Thanks, Adam. Chris B From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Sep 14 11:29:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8294 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 18:29:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 18:29:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 18:29:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 18:29:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:29:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=-pAbEhBzJMdcqcxGedJbAtFHDCLDHv289ml-M3iFM3-si4kn X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy > wrote: > > With the original Cyclone only a few hours away and > > considering the Texas ride's history of lawsuits I > > don't know why Dick would pick that coaster to save. > > > > Adam > > > > That was the other thing I didn't know since I've never been to AW: > TC is (yet) another Cyclone Clone. Therefore, no real reason to save > it, as it isn't unique or special. Thanks, Adam. > > Chris B I am going to respond to two different items here so sorry if that's not how I am supposed to do it. Adam, While I see the idea behind not relocating a Cy-clone to Knoebels, I think that it is still a ride worth saving. Also of note is that the lawsuits were mostly frivilous (as usual in this industry) except the one in which the rider was killed in the backseat, unless I am forgetting another major incident. Chris, Yes, it's another Clone, but it's also highly regarded. It is considered by many to be the only clone that can match the terror of the original, so it's not like it is a bad piece of wood. It is also the first Cy-clone and a rare Bill Cobb creation, so perhaps I am off here but it seems fairly special to me. - Joe From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 07:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98639 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 14:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 14:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 14:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 26292 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 14:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20050915140055.26290.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:00:55 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:00:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS (Opinion): Here's why I think AstroWorld finally bit the dust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=0osFWLEyy47DIlfFLBl40-CYdwwyVw_Lx28b-t4QM_nqIrc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Sept. 14, 2005, 8:13PM AstroWorld: It's all just economics By KEN HOFFMAN Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Here's why I think AstroWorld finally bit the dust. A regular one-day ticket costs $42.99. That's a lot of money, but that's what theme parks are getting these days. Disney World charges $60 for a one-day pass. Sea World in San Antonio is $40.50. But for the past several years, AstroWorld has been selling season passes for crazy low prices. You can buy them online for $59. I remember promotions where you could get them even cheaper. That's when AstroWorld became an inexpensive day-care center. Each day, parents would drop off their kids in the morning, and pick them up on their way home from work. After a while, even a roller coaster is boring. The park was crowded with bored kids just hanging out. Bored kids equals trouble. AstroWorld became an uncomfortable place for parents to bring young children. In the theme park business, when you lose families, you go out of business. •I'll never forget AstroWorld for one thing. The theme park was critically (and I do mean critically) involved in one of the best/worst days of my life. Eight years ago, I got a phone call. My son had been been born, and I should drive up to Fort Worth right away and pick him up at the Gladney adoption center. But it was a work day. I had a column to write. So I thought, what column can I knock out really fast ... and get on my way to Fort Worth? I know, AstroWorld is always bragging about its exciting, thrilling roller coasters, that it has more roller coasters than any theme park in America. I called AstroWorld and asked, "How about if I ride all 10 of your roller coasters back-to-back, and then I'll rate them from top to bottom?" A roller-coaster ride seems like forever, but they're really only one or two minutes. I'll be home in an hour. I'll write the column and be heading north on Interstate 45 in no time. I am not a roller-coaster guy. When I'm on a roller coaster, I usually close my eyes and pray it will be over soon. This is my approach to most things in life, by the way. I rode the first roller coaster, Texas Cyclone. According to roller-coaster expert Robert Cartmell, the Texas Cyclone is the scariest coaster in America, with a "devastating 53-degree first drop of 92 feet." Then I rode the Viper, which does loop-de-loops at 50 mph. Then Greezed Lightnin', which goes from 0 to 60 mph in less than six seconds. Then XLR-8, which dangles riders in thin air. Then I got really sick. I don't mean a headache or a mild upset stomach. I mean my whole body was spinning, and I thought I was going to make Mount St. Helens look like a squirt gun. I don't remember ever being that sick, that nauseous, that queasy in my life. I was burning hot and shivering at the same time. We've all been there, right? So I quit the coasters, called in sick (really, really sick) and drove to Fort Worth, like the Beatles sang, "all the way the paper bag was on my knee." I was nauseous the whole time. A year later, I tried to ride all the roller coasters again at AstroWorld — and got sick again. Here's the part that still makes me laugh, though. When I look at photos of me holding my baby for the first time, I look like I'm about to faint. I was, but not for the reason people think. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 11:56:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 900 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 29970 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 18:55:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20050915185511.29967.qmail@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:55:10 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:55:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: SFNO Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=CSJPHrjqEFXM41oJVrIDJZ1TrhIbC-egJjitP1o4AK-pplI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://interthemepark.shutterfly.com/ has a lot of pictures of Six Flags New Orleans. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 13:52:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91409 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 20:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 20:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 20:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 59629 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 20:52:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20050915205215.59627.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:52:15 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:52:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=7yEAlclCJDK8fKlUX5SrAm5tfwg4tFdiEtiU9H0KgRpE0Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > While I see the idea behind not relocating a > Cy-clone to Knoebels, I > think that it is still a ride worth saving. Also of > note is that the > lawsuits were mostly frivilous (as usual in this > industry) except the > one in which the rider was killed in the backseat, > unless I am > forgetting another major incident. I could be wrong, but I want to say that there were several serious injuries from the ride, especially in the early years. Which leads me to... > Chris, > Yes, it's another Clone, but it's also highly > regarded. It is > considered by many to be the only clone that can > match the terror of > the original, so it's not like it is a bad piece of > wood. It is also > the first Cy-clone and a rare Bill Cobb creation, so > perhaps I am off > here but it seems fairly special to me. IMHO it might have had the ability to match the original back in the day, but during my last (and only) visit to the park in the summer of 2004 it was a very lackluster ride (at best). The catch 22 seems to be that the ride was modified because of injuries and lawsuits. If you keep the ride as-is it is an ok coaster. If you modify the ride back to its original state you might be opening yourself up to potential lawsuits because if someone is injured and looks at the ride's history you will face a large legal bill (if nothing else). I am all for preserving coaster history. But, I have a hard time saying that this ride would be worth saving, especially since the cost of moving, re-erecting and re-tracking it would not save that much money. In this case the potential headaches seem to outwiegh the benefits for me. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Sep 15 17:53:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43778 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 00:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 00:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 00:53:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:51:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200509151751.AA3638165782@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Astroworld's carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=4clNpCKaRmdJFmvaFmtnZKwoJNOrF54qr7iVoI44Tkt1pE6tuV36 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Someone on carouselhorse just posted a question about what will happen to Astroworld's 1895 Dentzel carousel. I had no idea it was that old. Anyone have any info? Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Thu Sep 15 17:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60851 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 00:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 00:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 00:56:46 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.215.938777a (4320) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <215.938777a.305b7248@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:56:40 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Astroworld's carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=nOh07h6IDNIBK7hZ71vUvPXVBpAkllOWp_x9WXcWUGkEc-tWipzF X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All rides are the property of SFI and they can find other parks to put them in, or sell them to other chains/ sell them for scrap. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 15 20:07:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1043 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 03:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 03:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 03:07:19 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8G37GeP010133 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009401c5ba6b$e6d6c8f0$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=wWUL7c6nLSSIXToAyEATX7aTFOeTA1SPcCpbrUS-tlkfz1xlPkqfx2ZQ8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Even though this is definitely a loss to the amusement industry, if a park > had to close, I would > have chosen this one. I would have thought Elitch Gardens would have closed first since they have the same expansion problems as well as their own parking problems. > Last time I attended, I really thought it was poorly ran. They only ran > one train on all of the coasters, and the staff really wasnt all that > friendly. Sounds like the general description of virtually every Six Flags park I've heard over the last couple of years. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 15 22:33:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56286 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 05:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 05:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 05:33:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15D19A72 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:33:03 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <009401c5ba6b$e6d6c8f0$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> <009401c5ba6b$e6d6c8f0$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19B61E78-AF59-4CD2-8E70-3B08C201DB4D@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:33:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=o62D9g6VXkYOj2VHdKfOn4Hza2DE4Gh4L5TNlTiV6ZfZ0oFf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Last time I attended, I really thought it was poorly ran. They >> only ran >> one train on all of the coasters, and the staff really wasnt all that >> friendly. > > Sounds like the general description of virtually every Six Flags > park I've > heard over the last couple of years. I hate to say this, because I sound like such a fan-boy, twonk .. but this description totally does not fit Six Flags Great America. The park, while not perfect, does have attentive staff and high-capacity rides. The only time I can recall seeing single train operation was on Friday night of the "Last Blast" weekend in 2003, when there were only about 500 people in the whole park. It was an unadvertised extra weekend (after Fright-Fest), and it was around 30 degrees. (With single train ops on Batman The Ride, I got 4 front seat rides in a row .. without getting off .. that's how empty the park was!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Dental plan! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Lisa need braces! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 05:43:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8794 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 12:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 12:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 12:43:26 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EGFYr-0000yp-Dn for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <432ABE00.2040609@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20050915185511.29967.qmail@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050915185511.29967.qmail@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d29603db4d1383a073ad1e4d6e33c7a6cc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNO Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=UEccFNPC5USGfHQiup6yl3YUnFLxNdKZe3DqJceHHZUBah4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > http://interthemepark.shutterfly.com/ > > has a lot of pictures of Six Flags New Orleans. > > Adam Certainly some interesting shots. I'm guessing that they used the flood waters to get inside the park. Anyone who has been there, are those shots taken from on the lift hill of one of the coasters? I'm wondering what they climbed up to get some of the pictures. Certainly shows that the park is a huge mess. While it looks like the structure of many of the rides are intact, I'm wondering how much damage the water has done to the electronics, motors, etc. And the buildings look to be a wreck. It's going to be a long time before the park reopens. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 05:55:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60330 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EGFkG-0000s4-2k for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:55:12 -0400 Message-ID: <432AC0C2.9060008@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:55:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d29b92cd71910159b050ea93db5e794edc7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8cBzsqDMCmubLXMqLeI48CQArApKzblv7aMNJSZsFZjyTSE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Sorry I didn't get a chance to hook up with you Josh. Just happened to be one of those weeks where everything was booked up. Weekedays off just don't happen for me,and you know my Sundays... :) Ah well, maybe next time. In any case... Josh wrote: > 1.) The appliance direct commercial is still around. Same cast, different > version. I still miss the first one, but that didn't stop me from watching > this one on repeat and calling to leave a sound byte on Jeremy D's > voicemail. I'm stumped on this one as well. What commercial are you talking about? > > 2.) I finally "get" Hulk. it's a LOT f fun, and very intense. Same thing > with the dragons.I wonder if it has something to do with losing all that > weight that makes everything seem more intense now or something. That, or > maybe it's the fact that I'm not into coasters like I used to be and > everything is just fun? That, or last weekend was the first time that I've actually had smooth rides on Hulk. My wife and I both came off, after several rides, raving about how good it was compared to the other times we've been on it. It was running great this time around. As to why you didn't get Dragons before, you've got me on that one. Always loved Dueling Dragons. > > 3.) Mummy - Florida's BLOWS AWAY California's. This one's "backward" > section > is nothing more than a way to move you back into the turntable so it can > launch you forward but its still a blast. Glad you like it. It's still not enough of one or the other for me, but everyone else seems to love it. > > 4.) ShieKra - ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I really don't know what to say for > this one. It's hard to explain but it needs more or it needs less. it > either > needs to pull an oblivion or keep going after that splashdown part. I > really > think the "oh no" factor of the 2nd drop is ruined because you already know > what to expect after the first. If they continued after the > turn/splash/stop > and maybe did a few more turns or a loop or something, it would bring a > different feeling of pacing to the ride. It's just "off" right now. Ok, so you'd prefer it to have only one drop, a shorter one, then turn around and be done? (e.g. Oblivion) I've heard a good number of people complain about it being to short in length. But it's not that much shorter than Montu and Kumba. I think that a lot of people don't "count" the amount on the lift hill or the turn around on the top. Even so, realistically speaking, I'm not sure how much more they could have, or would have, added to it and still kept it cost effective. As it is, it's by far the longest dive coaster, the first with 2 drops, an inversion, etc. But you know all that already. I guess when I look at it, I'm not sure how much more people could have really wanted on it. *shrugs* > > Another complaint I have with that ride is that even when you're sirting in > the back row, and your feet can't reach the floor, they still make you wear > your flip-flops. I was just going to hold them or sit on them but they made > me wear them and the whole ride I was worried about keeping them on my > feet. There are a couple of ride ops on there that are just goofy. Do you remember the names of the ones that told you that? Normally they don't have a problem with you kicking your shoes off on the side (I've seen several do that) or holding onto them. I'll be happy to forward that one on to their supervisors so they can "inform" the ops. It wouldn't be the first time I've talked to them about things. :) > > 5.) Kumba - still my favorite ride there It's been doing better, though I still get wheel vibration more often than I'd like. > 7.) Disney was fun as usual, and I took a ton of pics. I will post them > once > I get them transferred and uploaded. Still waiting! Course I have to get my universal and Sea World pictures from last weekend uploaded to. :) Happy you had a good trip. We'll get a meet worked out one of these times when you're down here (just have to plan on a day other than Sunday!) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 08:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90496 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 15:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 15:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 15:45:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 15:45:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 15:45:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:45:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009401c5ba6b$e6d6c8f0$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=6cdw4eBCM9oCzkJUyWClUduG8LT2fyJ_ANgKrvjI_ec-SH7t1IlK X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > I would have thought Elitch Gardens would have closed first since they have > the same expansion problems as well as their own parking problems. Elitch Gardens is the biggest amusement park for hundreds and hundreds of miles in any direction, though. So regardless of its constraints, it is the biggest player in its whole time zone. Adam From jophish17@comcast.net Fri Sep 16 09:23:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62393 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 16:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2005 16:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 16:23:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 16:22:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2005 16:22:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:22:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050915205215.59627.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.77.214.221 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=KE9N_WkvPIFxq0viiO_uGOl7NbarZks8vBj9H766xhXY4yMR X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > > I could be wrong, but I want to say that there were > several serious injuries from the ride, especially in > the early years. Which leads me to... > IMHO it might have had the ability to match the > original back in the day, but during my last (and > only) visit to the park in the summer of 2004 it was a > very lackluster ride (at best). The catch 22 seems to > be that the ride was modified because of injuries and > lawsuits. If you keep the ride as-is it is an ok > coaster. If you modify the ride back to its original > state you might be opening yourself up to potential > lawsuits because if someone is injured and looks at > the ride's history you will face a large legal bill > (if nothing else). Upon a little more research, you are correct, back in the ride's years of glory, there were several accidents and resulting injuries, which is why they tamed the ride. However, hasn't the Coney Island Cyclone seen numerous deaths and injuries over the years, and yet still been able to continue to operate? > I am all for preserving coaster > history. But, I have a hard time saying that this > ride would be worth saving, especially since the cost > of moving, re-erecting and re-tracking it would not > save that much money. In this case the potential > headaches seem to outwiegh the benefits for me. > > Adam > In the end, you are more than likely correct in that the ride will be demolished, but I still think it could be relocated (with emphasis on could) From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 16 17:18:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55017 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8H0IXeP024601 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <047201c5bb1d$80bb2040$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:19:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=f0cF_BVuJO2FovGDCmK0nA4QJhjRPkG-z4mxfBUck9DF0vCtIRF6APZmxw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I would have thought Elitch Gardens would have closed first since > they have >> the same expansion problems as well as their own parking problems. > > Elitch Gardens is the biggest amusement park for hundreds and hundreds > of miles in any direction, though. So regardless of its constraints, it > is the biggest player in its whole time zone. But not big enough to save the first Elitch Gardens from being torn down... From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 18:03:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65284 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 01:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 01:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 01:03:10 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EGR6k-00030z-Ff for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:03:10 -0400 Message-ID: <432B6B61.3090102@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:03:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <047201c5bb1d$80bb2040$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> In-Reply-To: <047201c5bb1d$80bb2040$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fed25d3098752d29afa32a6bc5abfd55eff0642fac99861c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nD-Xo-FcxsvNGrFyIsfXihVQLcvcQFQR6g-Xer97CZG4N_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Well, it looks like we might have a couple of groups trying to work out last minute trips to the park. :) There are some in the FLCC that are working on a trip for Oct. 15-16 that I'm hoping to join them on (Still working on the permission part, but starting to look actually possible). And there are some that are trying to work out another trip for the following weekend, but I'll let them put their names out there if they want to. So if you've been thinking about trying to get out to the park, it looks like there might be others from the list there to meet up with you. So, anyone else want to add their names to the list? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Sep 16 18:30:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27908 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 01:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 01:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qproxy.gmail.com) (72.14.204.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 01:30:11 -0000 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e11so82904qba for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.10 with SMTP id h10mr1236qbm; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.3 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f3050916183030e01d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:30:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <432B6B61.3090102@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <047201c5bb1d$80bb2040$6700a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <432B6B61.3090102@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: bethtoons@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=YGm5VvSByqYL0FWRmXvVodk4ND_y7ICFt3AirVt3jmVeO4rg X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've booked a flight for the following weekend... will be in the park at least the 22nd, possibly a couple hours in the evening on the 21st On 9/16/05, george burnash wrote: > > Well, it looks like we might have a couple of groups trying to work out > last minute trips to the park. :) > > There are some in the FLCC that are working on a trip for Oct. 15-16 > that I'm hoping to join them on (Still working on the permission part, > but starting to look actually possible). > > And there are some that are trying to work out another trip for the > following weekend, but I'll let them put their names out there if they > want to. > > So if you've been thinking about trying to get out to the park, it looks > like there might be others from the list there to meet up with you. So, > anyone else want to add their names to the list? > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill > ride you'll never want to end. > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be > like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and > would not like to see there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 20:46:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37199 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:46:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <432B6B61.3090102@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Astroworld to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=wTvqFeVoww3UI6KU3WiuoYnr5VQ1KSM4FqwVf22QO6vohnMKeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > Well, it looks like we might have a couple of groups trying to work out > last minute trips to the park. :) > keep on ridin' > George I'm a little surprised, I thought that there would be some sort of last minute effort to keep the park open! It seems that the Houstonians (?) don't care if they have to drive a little farther to get to an amusement park. Chris B From amsmtpk@webtv.net Sat Sep 17 08:53:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: amsmtpk@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40091 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 15:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2005 15:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 15:53:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 15:53:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2005 15:53:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:53:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1216 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.205.63 From: "Gary" Subject: Western Playland is looking great. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235078582; y=ZweIH458T7NpVz4zcfFMeMCcSbMcz1XUHkEvI79trrLYVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amsmtpk As most of you know, the old Western Playland in El Paso, Texas is moving. The new location is at the Sunland Park Racetrack and Casino. (Sunland Park, N.M.) On my recent visit I was excited to see the poark actually coming to life. The main gate, and some other buildings are nearing completion. The bright yellow towers of the Skyway are in place. The cement loading platform for a giant ferris wheel is present. Countless electrical boxes are sticking up from the 60 acre park. Most of the rides from the exising location will be moved. Drop Zone is the newest ride purchased by by the park. The new location is highly visible at the entrance to the casino parking lot. The rides will be right nest to the new road. The new Wesern Playland is just a part of the entire complex. A new highway and a major hotel and golf resort, an r.v.campsite. and tourist type retail stores are planned for the near future. It is said that the park will open on the same day as the start of the horse races this December. I will be making another trip to El Paso and Albuquerque next weekend. I amd making the drive to ride THE N.M. RATTLER at Cliff's. I will make a full report on my findings when I return. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Sep 18 14:20:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40525 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2005 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8309A7B for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:20:26 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Coaster Talk Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:20:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Anyone have $10k to spare?! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=mjTcOrdZVv-QH3mdQU2odkeE4T_5nedr3wXccPUeLEPeSLp6 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Man, I wish I could afford this thing: http://tinyurl.com/cggmk Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Sun Sep 18 17:33:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88034 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 00:33:23 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.d7.2dda6cde (16633) for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:32:58 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anyone have $10k to spare?! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=UUWPSLe1folitolKQhmUoA-6cvm_d-ZvIkOOAEwPQ_-QWP1JL92f X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/18/2005 5:20:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: Hi, Man, I wish I could afford this thing: http://tinyurl.com/cggmk Cameron. I agree. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Sep 19 01:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53211 invoked by uid 7800); 19 Sep 2005 08:05:25 -0000 Date: 19 Sep 2005 08:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1127117125.15.53210.m24@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Discussion lists have gone through several changes over the years. When we first started out, email in various forms was about the only way to have topical discussions. Now however there are all sorts of various means, with online message boards being among the most popular and widely used. So I'm wondering, if we set up RCT to also have an accompanying message board, would you use it? I konw that many of the boards and discussion sites seem to have a lot of outlandish rumors, gravitate towards flame wars, or end up with writing that looks like a 1st grader wrote it, so steps would be taken to try to help prevent that. But is it something that you would use and/or like to see. Feel free to add comments here as well as to vote on the poll. CHOICES AND RESULTS - Message boards rule!! Long overdue. I'd be active and tell everyone., 0 votes, 0.00% - Great idea. I would probably use it, posting here and there and being an active member., 2 votes, 22.22% - It's a good idea. There are things I'd like to see on it, and would probably be a member, 0 votes, 0.00% - Sounds pretty good. I'd like to see it and see what happens., 1 votes, 11.11% - Might be a good idea. It has potential, 1 votes, 11.11% - It might work, and it might not. Would like to see more and/or wait and see., 1 votes, 11.11% - I have some reservations, and don't really like the idea, but would consider it., 1 votes, 11.11% - I don't really like message boards, but would sometimes read it, 0 votes, 0.00% - I don't like message boards and would not use it at all., 2 votes, 22.22% - Can't access message boards (for various reasons), 1 votes, 11.11% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Sep 19 08:54:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68091 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 15:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 15:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 15:53:58 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j2so41317nzf for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.224.42 with SMTP id w42mr1529479nzg; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:53:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <432AC0C2.9060008@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <43272761.7090302@earthlink.net> <8C786B41F0C433F-C30-B0DF@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> <432AC0C2.9060008@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Reply-To: exitenglish@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR [sort-of]:Notes on my 10 days in the sun (a.k.a. flori-duh) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=WFWIDPaVW1Z32lQU8tU6nIW3DxUgmUHc-GiPvTaZ-wD7lhUgK0fZ X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/16/05, george burnash wrote: < be one of those weeks where everything was booked up. Weekedays off > just don't happen for me,and you know my Sundays... :) Ah well, maybe > next time. In any case...>> That's alright, no big deal. It worked out that I was at BGT on Friday the 9th anyway. Ray called me and told me to give him a call back but I didn't catch his area code so I couldn't :( Sorry about that Ray! <> Appliance Direct. www.appliancedirect.com - it's a funny infommercial. just trust me. < rides on Hulk. My wife and I both came off, after several rides, raving > about how good it was compared to the other times we've been on it. It > was running great this time around. > > As to why you didn't get Dragons before, you've got me on that one. > Always loved Dueling Dragons.>> Well, I always like the Dragons, but this time around I've been approaching coasters and parks in a totally different way. I'm not 'into" them the way i used to be, if that makes any sense - so I just enjoy rides more. Also, once again - things seem WAY more fun and intense to me since I got in shape. I know it should be the opposite but it's not for me. > Glad you like it. It's still not enough of one or the other for me, but > everyone else seems to love it.>>> > > > > > << around and be done? (e.g. Oblivion) I've heard a good number of people > complain about it being to short in length. But it's not that much > shorter than Montu and Kumba. I think that a lot of people don't > "count" the amount on the lift hill or the turn around on the top. > > Even so, realistically speaking, I'm not sure how much more they could > have, or would have, added to it and still kept it cost effective. As > it is, it's by far the longest dive coaster, the first with 2 drops, an > inversion, etc. But you know all that already. I guess when I look at > it, I'm not sure how much more people could have really wanted on it. > > *shrugs*>>> Let me see if I can try and put this in perspective.... It's really hard to explain. My friend and I both thought the same thing. the 2nd drop takes away from the memory of the first one, if that makes any sense at all. Maybe if it didn't come so soon after the first, it wouldn't be so much of an issue. I think that that dive, turn, splash, turn, brakes sequence is a great finale. the problem comes from how soon the midcourse is after the drop, I think. Perhaps a vertical loop and a couple more turns after the immelman would have made the pacing right. I'm just not sure what was wrong with it. the line was non-exsistent so I took a couple of rides on it and I will say the front is sweet for the hang down and the back is sweet for the yank-over but for some reason, it didn't seem "scary" like I hoped it would. > > > << remember the names of the ones that told you that? Normally they don't > have a problem with you kicking your shoes off on the side (I've seen > several do that) or holding onto them. I'll be happy to forward that > one on to their supervisors so they can "inform" the ops. It wouldn't > be the first time I've talked to them about things. :)>>> I didn't catch any names, but every single ride-op in the station was doing it, including someone in a white-ish polo shirt with a clipboard who, I assume, was a supervisor. It was weird. The thing that got me was the store near the exit that just happens to sell flip-flops. :-\ > > < than I'd like.>>> That's part of what makes that ride so amazing. That, and the little bump/hop and slight turn right after the zero-g and right before the cobra roll. > > < from last weekend uploaded to. :).>>> They're all hosted at josh.midwestcoaster.comright now, unfortunately I haven't been able to see them since I'm using Firefox, but I plan to crack open IE here shortly. :-) < times when you're down here (just have to plan on a day other than > Sunday!)>> Well, it's starting to look as if we might have numerous chances to get together, George (and Ray, and everyone else in FL) While I was on vacation, my company merged with another firm from Michigan and I fear there may be some downsizing on the horizon. If that's the case I very well may be living in Kissimmee and working for the mouse.... :-D --Josh keep on ridin' > George > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill > ride you'll never want to end. > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be > like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and > would not like to see there. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Theme park > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 09:58:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73526 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 16:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 16:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 16:58:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 16:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 16:58:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 16:58:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:58:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Luna Park foes in for wild time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nAbIkGWP9e5ASHssb_ZqEWwtuoTsUHUs1rhAjqINmg2fFJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 20, 2005 The Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/luna-park-foes-in-for-wild- time/2005/09/19/1126982000919.html?oneclick=3Dtrue By Bonnie Malkin Sydney, Au -- Life could be about to get a lot noisier for the=20 residents of apartment blocks and houses surrounding Luna Park. The amusement park's management has applied to the Minister for=20 Planning, Frank Sartor, to extend the opening hours of one part of=20 the park to 2am on 6 nights of the year and 3am on New Year's Eve. The move has further enraged residents of Lavender Bay and Milsons=20 Point, who are engaged in a long-running fight to shut down 50 of the=20 park's noisiest rides. In April, a consortium of residents and developers lodged a noise=20 claim against 5 of the park's rides in the Supreme Court. The case is=20 the same type of action that led to the closure of the Big Dipper in=20 1996. Currently all the indoor parts of the park trade from 7am-1am, 365=20 days a year. Outdoor rides operate from 10am-10pm Sunday to Thursday,=20 and 10am-Midnight Friday & Saturday, but on New Year's Eve and=20 Australia Day and 4 other occasions each year they can stay open=20 until 2am. Luna Park's managing director, Peter Hearne, said the park had=20 applied to extend the opening hours of the Big Top from 1am-2am on 6=20 nights of the year and to 3am on New Year's Eve. "We have this=20 nonsense that on these 6 occasions we're entitled to run the rides to=20 2am, but the Big Top has to close at 1am," Mr Hearne said. "It's=20 totally soundproof, so it's a bit silly to have a condition where you=20 have got to close the soundproof building at 1am and you can have the=20 rides outside going to 2am." A resident of Milsons Point, Joan Street, said allowing a commercial=20 venue to stay open until 2am in a residential area was "not=20 appropriate" and would increase the number of park patrons wandering=20 local streets at night, she said. The Mayor of North Sydney, Genia McCaffery, said the council had=20 approved staggered hours to minimise the impact on residents. "We did=20 that deliberately so we didn't get everybody leaving at the same=20 time, and [Luna Park] are ignoring that." ---------- =A9 2005 The Sydney Morning Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 10:04:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16035 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 17:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 17:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 17:04:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:04:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Conn. mother blames Westchester for son's death at amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UfbY7LEp1PrKo3GwDgUlIX2MhOHKbJr1Qm2WrvLwtHGqsg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 15 2005 Associated Press The Norwalk Advocate http://www.norwalkadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc- 15020615.apds.m0621.bc-ct--amussep15,0,3640083.story?coll=3Dhc- headlines-local-wire WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- A woman whose son died on an amusement park=20 ride said Wednesday that she would have boarded the ride with him but=20 they had run out of credits and there was "no sign that this ride had=20 any potential of being frightening to a 7-y.o. boy." Elayne Cassara, of Norwalk, Conn., announcing the start of her=20 family's lawsuit against Playland park and its owner, Westchester=20 County, said there should have been a better description posted=20 outside the ride, Ye Old Mill, in which boats travel in the dark=20 through a troll village. She said her son was afraid of the dark but she didn't hesitate to=20 send him into the tunnel because she was familiar with rides like=20 It's a Small World at Disney World, "where there are tunnels but they=20 are lit and full of joy and happiness." "There weren't dragons and trolls," she said. Jon-Kely Cassara died Aug. 3 after getting out of his seat,=20 investigators determined. He was found dead from head trauma, wedged=20 between 2 submerged conveyor belts that power the ride. Cassara said she believes her son left his seat because he was=20 frightened. "They said he may have been goofing around in there," she=20 said at a news conference outside the county courthouse. "My son=20 would never have done something like that. The only thing that would=20 have gotten him out of that boat was great fear." Susan Tolchin, chief adviser to County Executive Andrew Spano, said=20 Playland wasn't negligent in the operation of the ride. "The state=20 labor department inspected and approved the ride this year as it has=20 done in previous years," she said. "Over 6 million people have ridden=20 on the historic Ye Old Mill for over 75 years without such an=20 incident." Cassara and her attorney, Marvin Salenger, said they were suing "to=20 make sure that things like this don't happen again anywhere in the=20 US." But they also will be seeking damages, so far unspecified. Cassara said any money received would go toward a Christian school=20 for the church in Darien, Conn., that she and her husband founded 12=20 years ago. Cassara said that on Aug. 3, on their way out of Playland in Rye, she=20 and her 2 children, Jon-Kely and Jayelle, 4, had just enough credits=20 left for 1 person to ride Ye Old Mill. Jon-Kely went on. When he didn't emerge, his mother said, she expressed worry to the=20 attendants but "everyone was extremely uncooperative." Her lawyer said, "They wouldn't close down the ride. They wouldn't=20 call for the police. They're treating her like she's a hysterical=20 woman who doesn't know what she was talking about." Ye Old Mill reopened a month after the accident with a metal plate=20 over the 14"-wide gap in the floor where the boy fell through. The=20 park also is distributing fliers calling parents' attention to=20 several "dark rides." -------------- =A9 2005, The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 10:16:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12146 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 17:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 17:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 17:16:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:16:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:16:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The real line dividing cultures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ONV4OrW478FQ30pzcyAyhm1bJvZm9g6WzUiSmhir2wZ6Wig X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 SEPTEMBER 18, 2005 The New York Times The International Herald Tribune http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/18/news/lines.php By Henry Fountain =20 Hong Kong, China -- Hong Kong Disneyland, the 2nd Disney foray into=20 Asia, is known to some in the theme park business as Disney Lite. It=20 is far smaller than Disney parks in the US, Japan and France, with=20 fewer of the elaborate signature rides. But in one area, at least, the HK park, which covers 126 hectares, or=20 310 acres, more than holds its own: the lines. In several weeks of trial runs leading up to the official opening=20 last week, parkgoers complained of waits of over 2 hours for some=20 attractions. One visitor said that in 12 hours at the park, he went=20 only 4 rides. While many problems were no doubt attributable to the newness of the=20 place and its employees - the first few weeks being the worst time to=20 visit any theme park - the waits led some HK officials to urge Disney=20 to reduce the planned number of daily customers, currently 30,000.=20 And the delays sparked cultural complaints in Internet discussion=20 groups, with some HK residents saying the problems were made worse by=20 pushing and shoving by mainland Chinese visitors unaccustomed to=20 orderly waiting. There are, in fact, cultural differences in how people behave while=20 in line, according to social scientists and park designers. Those=20 differences have even led to physical changes in so-called queuing=20 areas at some parks. Rongrong Zhou, an assistant professor of marketing at the HK=20 University of Science & Technology, who has studied the psychology of=20 queuing in HK, although not at theme parks, said the differences went=20 beyond a HK-mainland split. Zhou said there was a tendency among Asians and others in more=20 collective cultures to compare their situation with those around them. This may make it more likely that they will remain in a line even if=20 it is excessively long. Zhou said this finding was rooted in a somewhat paradoxical=20 observation: that it is the people behind a person in line, rather=20 than in front, that determine the person's behavior. "The likelihood=20 of people giving up and leaving the queue is lower when they see more=20 people behind them," Zhou said. "You feel like you are in a better=20 position than the others behind you." By contrast, she said, Americans and others in more individualistic=20 societies make fewer "social comparisons" of this sort. They do not=20 necessarily feel better that more people are behind them, and dislike=20 having too many people in front of them. Lines in these cultures tend=20 to be self-limiting. In a place like HK, however, the lines may just grow and grow. "The=20 longer the line, people think the service is more worthwhile to get,"=20 Zhou said. Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks & Resorts, said that in the=20 first few weeks of the HK park's operation, officials have noticed=20 more specific differences between HK visitors and those from the=20 mainland. About 25% of HK residents, Rasulo said, had already visited=20 a Disney theme park. As a result, he said, they "seem a little more=20 respectful." Visitors from mainland China, where only 1% have visited a Disney=20 park, are still trying to figure out how lines work. "They are not as=20 impulsive" as some of their peers in Europe, he said, but they also=20 are not as patient as the Japanese. Europeans, Rasulo added, "have very different attitudes about how=20 they wait for things." At the DL in Paris, while British visitors are=20 orderly, French and Italians "never saw a line they couldn't be in=20 front of." After the French park opened, Rasulo said, the company made the lines=20 narrower by moving handrails closer together to try to prevent people=20 from pushing ahead of others. He said the Peter Pan attraction at the=20 Paris park was so popular that it is the only Peter Pan ride in all=20 of Disney's parks to have Fastpass, which allows people to come back=20 at a specific time and is an effective way to control pushy crowds. Peter Alexander, a former Disney and Universal Studios theme park=20 designer who at one time was director of project management for Tokyo=20 DL, said that most cultures are tolerant of waiting, though some more=20 than others. The Japanese, said Alexander, who is now president of=20 Totally Fun, a park design firm in Tampa, Fla, are among the most=20 patient. "They are very Eastern-mystical in their ignoring everybody=20 else, and that's why they are able to deal with long lines," he said. And forget cutting in line at Tokyo DL, where people spread out large=20 mats along the parade route to reserve their spot hours beforehand.=20 No one, Rasulo said, steps on the mats, and children wait patiently=20 with their parents until the parade begins. "The only place where I=20 have been consistently advised that people can't stand to wait in=20 line is the Middle East," Alexander said. The solution at theme parks=20 in that region, he said, is to increase ride capacity so that little=20 or no waiting is necessary. There are parks where people do not have to wait in line, Alexander=20 said. "You don't wait in line at Walibi Schtroumpf," a Smurf-themed=20 park in eastern France, Alexander said. That is "because there's=20 nobody there.' ----------- =A9 2005 the International Herald Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 10:29:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5707 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags faces buying spree hangover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kTYCQl9DNlpcyHjqbTYtz9lefMKoWlILkp38n-5_sLoltKI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 18, 2005 The Associated Press The Tribune http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/business/12680151.htm by SEAN MURPHY OKLAHOMA CITY, OK -- Premier Parks went on a shopping spree in the late 1990s that would be the envy of any fun-lover. Among the items: Elitsch Gardens Amusement Park in Denver, Waterworld USA water parks in California and Great Escape and Splashwater Kingdom in New York. By the time the company gobbled up the Waliby Family Parks, with locations in France, Belgium and Holland, it was pretty clear to some analysts that things were getting out of hand. Then in 1998, the Oklahoma City-based company acquired the Six Flags chain of parks for $1.9 billion and later took on the 6F name. Now it finds itself saddled with more than $2 billion in debt and the company is up for sale in the middle of a proxy battle. Ned DeWitt, who served as 6Fs president from 1973-1982, said the string of purchases didn't make sense. "I think there was a mania, no question," said DeWitt, who led 6F when the company was viewed as the icon of the seasonal theme-park industry. "I did a lot of acquisitions when I was president, but those were all contiguous to the main entertainment of 6F. "This acquisition mania put them into all kinds of properties they just couldn't bring value to." Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder, who has bought 11.7% of the company, says the company needs to be streamlined. He'd like to increase his holdings and oust the current management team, including Kieran Burke, the CEO and chairman who presided over the buying spree. For his part, Burke points to reported revenues for the 2nd quarter of 2005 that were 8.4% higher than the previous year, and attendance that increased by 6.6%. These reports come after years of declines in attendance and sagging revenues. Analysts largely attribute these declines to operational problems at some parks, including a lack of attention to detail, and to an overexpansion that saw 6F purchase some weak amusement properties. These problems were in addition to a general downturn in the amusement park industry after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a downturn that now shows signs of reversing itself. Burke, who declined requests for interviews, said in a statement that the better recent performance reflects an investment program that has added new attractions in many parks, initiatives to improve services to guests and an advertising campaign featuring "Mr. Six," a dancing elderly man in a tuxedo. "We are pleased with the broad-based strong performance of our parks during the first half of 2005," Burke said. Over the first 6 months of 2005, the company reported revenues of $440.9 million, a nearly 10% increase over the previous year, but a loss in net income of more than $167 million. Under Snyder's plan, ESPN programming whiz Mark Shapiro would come aboard as the company's new CEO and Snyder would become chairman. The proposal - detailed in filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission - is to get rid of properties that aren't critical to the management plan, rework the company's advertising and marketing strategies and establish a "clean, safe and fun" image for the company. "I haven't ever met Dan Snyder ... but it sounds like he's dead on," DeWitt said. Late last month, 6F responded with an announcement that it was putting itself up for sale at auction. Its stock was trading at $7.30 on Tues, near the top of its 52-week range. That makes its market capitalization around $680 million. The company was founded in 1961 by Texas oil baron Angus Wynne, who was searching for a cash infusion into an industrial district he was building on the dusty, sparsely populated plains between Dallas and Fort Worth. After a visit to Disneyland, Wynne found what he was looking for - a clean, family oriented business that would provide some quick cash flow. 6F gets its name from the 6 national flags that flew over the area that is now Texas: U.S., Texan, Confederate, Mexican, French and Spanish. "It was a historical theme park ... the whole purpose of the 6 flags was to portray the architecture and layout of the different countries," DeWitt said. "We focused on natural, environmental landscapes. We really wanted to go for the quality for the kids and the fun of this new entertainment phenomenon." 6F now includes 30 parks throughout North America, including parks in Houston, San Antonio and the Dallas-Fort Worth suburb of Arlington. DeWitt said 6F lost the focus company founders had when they built the 1st park in Texas. "It seems like they got caught up in the corporate mania of massive growth," he said. "The basic business of 6F is family fun, and it's not part of this crazed acquisition process." DeWitt also believes the company offers too many discount admission schemes that reduce revenue from entry fees and forces parks to recoup those losses through the sale of gifts, souvenirs and food inside the park. "You can only do so much of that kind of retailing without cheapening the whole experience," DeWitt said. "When you get into that heavy discounting to attract base attendance, it's leading to disaster." Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services, an Ohio-based consulting firm, said 6F's emphasis on discounted admission wasn't an attempt to compete with other theme parks, but rather a short-sighted effort to increase attendance. "In their markets, they have very little competition," Speigel said. "It was a short-term solution to how to build their attendance, but in the long run, discounting has a negative impact." Speigel, however, said he believes the 6F empire can rise again and become a profitable operation and a dominant force on the theme park landscape. What's needed is a major reduction in debt, a marketing overhaul and the addition of experienced theme park operators, he said. "(6F) operators come from Wall Street and they're bright guys in terms of financing and debt structuring, but I'm not sure they're the greatest in terms of operations," Speigel said. "They do well in the Wall Street and New York investment banking community ... but that's a different playground than operating a theme park." ----------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 10:38:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69905 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 17:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 17:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 17:38:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2005 17:37:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:37:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ruined Gaza fun park now waits for aid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mnba6rHPcGn1dKnGmXLIG2yLlsDzhekRGisvKfs4B_NR2wc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 15 Sep 2005 Reuters http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L14718250.htm By Cynthia Johnston SHEIKH IJLEEN, Gaza Strip -- A mangled bumper car is all that remains=20 of Ibrahim al-Nouri's amusement park on the Gaza beachfront. Near the former Jewish settlement of Netzarim, the park lay next to a=20 frequent battleground between Israeli troops and Palestinian=20 militants in the uprising that erupted 5 years ago. Nouri closed it=20 in 2001. Later the army bulldozed it. While Nouri was happy to see the last Israeli soldier leave on=20 Monday, he has no idea if he will ever have the money to rebuild his=20 park. "My dream is the amusement park will return and children can=20 play here. I want to put back all the rides that used to be here. My=20 only ambition is it will be as it was," he said. "Every time I come, it brings back painful memories. The place=20 reminds me of all the money I lost," said Nouri, smoking a cigarette=20 in a plastic chair next to the empty lot that was once filled with=20 laughter. Across the Gaza Strip, Palestinians are returning to properties near=20 settlements that became perilous to reach during the uprising, when=20 the enclaves became regular flashpoints and anyone in the zones=20 around them risked being shot. Many of the properties were damaged or destroyed by the army, which=20 said it was removing positions used by the militants who launched=20 frequent attacks on the settlements. The question for those like Nouri is where they will get the money to=20 rebuild. He estimates he lost $1.5 million on the amusement park. His=20 debts would not help when it comes to getting a bank loan. BILLIONS EXPECTED Palestinian Planning Minister Ghassan al-Khatib said home and=20 business owners whose property was damaged by Israel may be eligible=20 for help rebuilding. The funds would likely come from a $50 million=20 payment from the United States. Billions of dollars in Western and Arab aid and investment are also=20 expected to flow into Gaza for projects including a seaport and other=20 infrastructure to help revive the economy of the impoverished strip,=20 home to 1.4 million people. Palestinians remain sceptical the pullout will end conflict because=20 they also seek a state in all of the occupied West Bank, where Israel=20 is enlarging its settlements. They also fear possible factional=20 violence in Gaza. But optimism is at its highest level since the construction boom=20 following 1990s interim peace accords, when much of the Gaza Strip=20 first came under Palestinian rule and Nouri began to build his=20 park. "The 1st year the Palestinian Authority came, we met with=20 President (Yasser) Arafat and he said that we need investment in=20 order to make this country a new Singapore," he said. "So I thought to make an amusement park for all Gazans. It was good=20 for Gaza's children. There were always school outings here, and=20 people came on holidays and in the summer." Bit by bit, he invested money in more rides - building it into the=20 territory's biggest amusement park. But peacemaking ultimately ground to a halt and the uprising began.=20 In January of 2001, several Palestinian youths headed to the=20 amusement park were wounded when soldiers opened fire from a nearby=20 army post, Nouri said. He shut down the park, worried for the safety of his patrons. In=20 2004, Israeli troops bulldozed the site, saying they were clearing an=20 area used by militants attacking Netzarim. Scavengers picked off metal from the broken rides for scrap, leaving=20 a vacant sand lot save mesh netting installed by neighbours to trap=20 birds who fly in low from the sea. "My message to the Palestinian=20 Authority and to the world is to help us to make a new amusement=20 park," said Nouri, a 45-y.o. father of 8. "We want to build Gaza. A=20 lot of money is coming to Gaza. Where is that money?" ------------ =A9 1998-2001 Reuters Limited From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Sep 19 16:22:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17500 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2005 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.19a.3c8e7c3e (15886) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012049333pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.37.145.133]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e432f482264; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:22:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:21:55 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <432ABE00.2040609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <432F4813.4020209@aol.com> References: <20050915185511.29967.qmail@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <432ABE00.2040609@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.37.145.133 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNO Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=aXEa2z1N8e01qyl3kKT2wZtSxH0kkbjchXu0SFdh0K1KzCJMMA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo george burnash wrote on 9/16/2005, 8:43 AM: > Adam Sandy wrote: > > http://interthemepark.shutterfly.com/ > > > > has a lot of pictures of Six Flags New Orleans. > > > > Adam > > Certainly some interesting shots. I'm guessing that they used the flood > waters to get inside the park. Anyone who has been there, are those > shots taken from on the lift hill of one of the coasters? I'm wondering > what they climbed up to get some of the pictures. > > Certainly shows that the park is a huge mess. While it looks like the > structure of many of the rides are intact, I'm wondering how much damage > the water has done to the electronics, motors, etc. And the buildings > look to be a wreck. It's going to be a long time before the park > reopens. > > keep on ridin' > George WOW. Looks like some of the pics were taken from the lift hill of Batman. It looks bad, but I think it is not as bad as it may seem. The buildings are not too bad, they all seem to be holding up, they just need to be cleaned up and have some drywall replaced and painted over. The rides are what would worry me. The electronics are designed to be weather resistant, but not meant to be submerged. When it dries up it will look like Bushkill did, mud everywhere imaginable. It will take a long time and a lot of work to clean up. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 08:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47784 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 15:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 15:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 15:36:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 15:33:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 15:33:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:33:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Saatchi & Saatchi, Bangalore, wins creative duties for Wonderla Holidays X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VFQ1QKNSU17IrVwiY2nsSpko7MZT2Eb8a9dEH_W0W2r7IgY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 20, 2005 AgencyFaqs! http://www.agencyfaqs.com/news/stories/2005/09/20/12702.html by Sujata Dogra NEW DELHI, India -- Wonderla Holidays, the amusement park from the=20 house of V-Guard Industries, has awarded its creative duties to=20 Saatchi & Saatchi, Bangalore. The size of the business is pegged at=20 Rs 1.5 crore. Apart from Saatchi & Saatchi, 4 other agencies (Jelitta, Stark, Disha=20 Communications and Bread, Butter & Jam), took part in the pitch held=20 in June. Confirming this development to agencyfaqs!, Arun Chittilappilly,=20 executive director of Wonderla Holidays, says, "Saatchi & Saatchi=20 presented its creatives in a simple and sophisticated format. What we=20 also appreciated was the agency's understanding of the local flavour." "When one thinks of amusement parks, one immediately thinks of rides=20 and the screams emanating from the people enjoying the rides. That is=20 what we wanted to portray and Saatchi & Saatchi was able to do=20 exactly that," he adds. Incidentally, this is the first business Saatchi & Saatchi,=20 Bangalore, has won under the flagship of its executive VP Anand=20 Narasimha, who moved from Saatchi & Saatchi, Delhi, to head the=20 Bangalore branch a month ago. As Narasimha puts it, "Wonderla Holidays is an amusement park where=20 one gets the opportunity to unwind from one's daily routine. We plan=20 to position the park as a place where one can return to one's=20 childhood. Our whole campaign revolves around the idea=20 of `screaming', which symbolises freedom and spontaneity. We are=20 going to use local techniques to get the message across with the help=20 of various on-ground activities." Wonderla Holidays, which will be launched end of this month, is V- Guard Industries' 2nd amusement park. Established in 1977, V-Guard is=20 now a dynamic corporate entity with a diversified product line that=20 ranges from stabilisers, UPS systems, water pumps and electronic=20 motor starters to water heaters, water purifiers and amusement parks.=20 Apart from Saatchi & Saatchi, Maitree and Media Mate are the 2=20 agencies that are currently handling various operations for V-Guard. --------------- =A9 2005 agencyfaqs! From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 08:40:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43010 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 15:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 15:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 15:40:24 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EHkEI-0008T8-I9 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:40:22 -0400 Message-ID: <43302D67.80209@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:40:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b3705b916f3256cea13db1efb75dc4ee8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Snyder tries to stop Astroworld sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QVoMiYYvk2r_vAoqC9iA9cZLdgeJftOORWMsQSIjFWQLCj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash WEll, here's the first wrinkle in the proposed sale of the park. Dan Snyder apparently doesn't like it and is filing with the SEC to try to stop the sale: http://tinyurl.com/dk3b7 http://www.okcbusiness.com/news/news_view.asp?newsid=5815&catid=10&volid=9&issid=68&PgStartNum= Should be interesting to see how this turns out, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's fighting a losing battle on Astroworld. BTW, looks like it's confirmed that I'll be there on Oct. 15th. Happy I'll at least get in one visit to the park. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 08:49:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71275 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 15:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 15:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 15:49:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 15:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 15:46:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:46:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: IKEA Unveils 3rd Moscow Store X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XQH01aaXzDpzZK5EMvA2Z0U2XhidxtngHpenGs_hrs7sank X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 And YES, it is related to our topic! -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ September 20, 2005 The Moscow Times http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/09/20/045.html By Conor Humphries Moscow, Russia -- Swedish furniture giant IKEA opened its 3rd Moscow=20 store last week on a site southeast of the city that will eventually=20 house a huge shopping center, an amusement park and possibly a hotel. Following a traditional Swedish breakfast, company and local=20 government officials opened the 30,000-sq-m store in the suburb of=20 Kotelniki on Thursday after performing an unusual ceremony involving=20 3 large saws and a small white cat - although luckily not at the same=20 time. Instead of cutting a red ribbon, IKEA Russia's general director,=20 Lennart Dahlgren, and State Duma Deputy Viktor Semyonov, who is also=20 the founder of IKEA's partner company in the project, agricultural=20 producer Belaya Dacha, helped cut through a pine log to open the=20 furniture outlet. A cat was then released into the building for good=20 luck, following Russian tradition. Belaya Dacha, a major agricultural producer in the Moscow region and=20 owner of the site on the Moscow Ring Road, controls 25% plus 1 share=20 in the joint project - the 1st joint venture IKEA has been involved=20 in worldwide. A Mega Mall anchored to IKEA is due to open in 2006. It will be=20 approximately the same size as the other 2 malls on IKEA's sites, in=20 Khimki and at Tyoply Stan, said IKEA spokeswoman Irina Vanenkova. The Swedish retailer is currently in talks with international=20 operators for the amusement park, with a target opening date in 2007,=20 she said. IKEA earlier estimated the cost of the entire Belaya Dacha project at=20 $400 million, which is $100 million more than the Khimki development,=20 the country's largest shopping complex. Belaya Dacha is IKEA's 5th store in Russia, opening 5 years after the=20 global chain's 1st foray into Russia. Other outlets are located in=20 Kazan and St. Petersburg. In the future, IKEA plans to abandon the practice of phased=20 development and will build its stores and Mega Malls simultaneously,=20 said Vanenkova. "We learned from our mistakes by opening IKEA and=20 then starting construction on a Mega Mall. It is not very convenient=20 for our customers," she said. After adding Mega Malls to its existing stores in Kazan and St.=20 Petersburg, IKEA plans to open similar malls and IKEA stores in=20 Nizhny Novgorod, Yekaterinburg and northern St. Petersburg next year. --------------- =A9 Copyright 2005 The Moscow Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 09:04:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42665 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 16:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 16:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 16:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:01:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock group Holds its Breath X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kRjOjvkRnZu3cfU0khk76yWCN6POME-2XlG5Cw2edyxp3wI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 20, 2005 The Sun News Myrtle Beach Online http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/1269 1721.htm/ By Travis Tritten Myrtle Beach, SC -- Developers say construction may begin on a Hard Rock theme park at Fantasy Harbour early next year if Horry County gives a final approval to rezone the land during a meeting in Conway today. The County Council vote is critical for Orlando, Fla.-based HRP Management Corp., which says approval would be a "vote of confidence from the community" needed to square away private financing of the $250-$300 million rock 'n' roll-themed park. "The reason that we need this vote is to be able to demonstrate ... to the financing market that zoning is not an issue," CEO Steven Goodwin said. The park, the first in the world to use the HR brand name, would turn a desolate 160-acre plot off US-501 and the Intracoastal Waterway into a regional attraction based on family entertainment and music. HRP has worked with residents near the site, neighboring businesses and County Council to explain plans and allay concerns about park noise and traffic over the past 2 years. It is unclear whether the long-anticipated 3rd and final council vote will occur in part because 20 months has passed since the last vote in favor of rezoning a patchwork of commercial- and amusement-zoned properties to a uniform planned development district. "I am going to ask that we listen to their plan and then wait to the next council meeting to vote on it," said Councilman Mike Ryan, whose district covers the park property. That will give the council time to get reacquainted with the project before voting, he said, but members could reject the request. Funding obstacles? Many local concerns are cleared up, according to neighbors and developers. But even with rezoning approval, the project still might be a longshot, according to one expert in the amusement park industry. "I would say there are probably more reasons why it would not happen than why it would," including difficulties with financing, current economic conditions for amusement parks and a national market saturated with parks, said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services in Cincinnati, a managing and consulting firm. Typically, amusement parks are not financed through the bond market and recent investor disinterest in bonds associated with the Six Flags amusement park chain could bode badly for the HR project, Speigel said. "It wouldn't be my preferred way of approaching a project of that nature," he said. "I would say [HR developers] are having a difficult time raising money." It already has been a long road for the project. HRP has been working behind the scenes since the last council approval. A suggestion by developers in January that the county help the effort through public financing quickly died. Goodwin said HRP has been working closely with the Fantasy Harbour community and the council, especially in the past couple of months, to allay any lingering concerns. "I think we have satisfied everyone," Goodwin said. Council members Marion Foxworth and Mike Ryan set up meetings between residents in their district and HRP early on in the project to discuss concerns over noise from a possible amphitheater, Foxworth said. "The neighbors weren't ecstatic over it, but they were pretty well assured it wouldn't be a problem," he said. Accommodating neighbors Christ United Methodist Church, a regional church, sits just outside the park's development footprint and Grant Kuhn, director of ministries and programs, said the family-oriented theme would be a good fit with church services that attract a regional congregation and use modern music. HRP has been working with the church for more than 2 years and negotiated a traffic plan, parking arrangements and even a possible small land swap that would give the church a contiguous plot for park parking space area, Kuhn said. "Our position then and now is one of acceptance," he said. "We would gladly receive them as neighbors." The Harbour Lights Resort time shares, which would sit between the park and the Intracoastal Waterway, also could benefit from a next- door attraction for customers, assistant general manager Mickey Lincoln said. "When our guests come in, they just say it's too bad that there is nothing here that they can walk to," Lincoln said. The guests used to walk to the Waccamaw Factory Shoppes, he said. But now the outlet has few stores, and a cinema also closed on the proposed park land. The rest of the property is weeds and empty parking lots. The vision The theme park is the brainchild of Jon Binkowski, the creative chief officer for HRP who developed attractions for SeaWorld parks in the 1980s and then formed his own company. Binkowski said he settled on Myrtle Beach after scouting the U.S. for the best site. He put together a 3-person team experienced in the industry. Goodwin worked for the HR parent company and helped develop the 1st HR hotel in Florida; and Felix Mussenden, HRP president and COO, held the same position at Universal Orlando, a major resort that includes 2 theme parks and 3 resort hotels. The Grand Strand's 12.7 million annual visitors and road improvements, such as the new Carolina Bays Pkwy extension and the planned I-73, are key to supporting an amusement park, Binkowski said. HRP expects the park to attract up to 25,000 patrons a day, according to its rezoning application. Plans could include roller coasters, hotel accommodations, restaurants, thematic bars and even wedding chapels, but HRP is being tight-lipped about specifics - it wants to make a "big splash" on opening day. Binkowski's vision is an amusement park where the whole family will be brought together through a shared attraction to popular music. "I am not looking for this park to be on the bleeding edge of technology," he said. "We will leave it to the Universals and the Disneys out there to battle that out. That is not what HR is all about." ------------ Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 09:14:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78808 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 16:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 16:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 16:14:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 16:12:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2005 16:12:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:12:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: The good life is a rollercoaster ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mI6XQ0FuRcKOebH4465V2MdOyqwPlFJg8QQImE8vAPYrK_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 26, 2005 Time Europe http://www.time.com/time/europe/tga/article/0,13005,901050926- 1105304,00.html By KEANE SHUM When 17th century Russians built 20-m-high ice slides for their=20 amusement, they had no idea what they were pioneering. But those=20 early prototypes =97 carrying squealing thrill seekers on wooden sleds=20 for several hundred feet =97 were an inspiration to 20th century=20 engineers, and the result was the roller coaster. The U.S. once led=20 the roller coaster field, but as new challengers have shown, no=20 country has a monopoly on thrills. Here are some of our favorites,=20 from Ohio to Taichung. Millennium Force Ohio=20 This isn't the world's fastest ride anymore, but it may still be the=20 scariest. The agonizingly slow crawl to the apex, overlooking Lake=20 Erie, will have you begging for the 149-km/h drop. Leap The Dips Pennsylvania=20 Located in Lakemont Park, Altoona, Leap the Dips was built in 1902.=20 It's the oldest roller coaster in existence, and a full restoration=20 in 1999 should keep it in good health for many years to come. Cars=20 trot along this centenarian at a stately 16 km/h. Kingda Ka New Jersey=20 This brand-new superstar from the U.S. theme park chain Six Flags=20 claimed the roller coaster triple crown when it opened earlier this=20 year, notching up the fastest speed (205 km/h), the tallest ride (139=20 m), and the big-gest drop (127 m). Numbers don't lie. Gravity Max Taichung, Taiwan=20 Located in the Discovery World theme park, Gravity Max is the world's=20 only "tilt coaster." That means it's not just the cars that move. The=20 track does, too, tilting at a terrifying 88deg angle as screaming=20 riders hurtle through space. Cyclone New York=20 A 1927 creation on New York City's Coney Island, this ride was named=20 a U.S. National Historic Landmark in 1991. It's the world's most=20 copied roller coaster, with 7 replicas operating in the U.S., Europe=20 and Japan. The Ultimate Ripon, England=20 If you're a glutton for punishment, you'll enjoy the Ultimate, one of=20 the world's longest coasters. Built in 1991, it offers a 6-min. ride=20 (epic by coaster standards) through 2.27 km of countryside, albeit at=20 a relatively genteel top speed of 80 km/h.=20 COASTER CULTURE=20 Can't get enough of coasters, or think you can do better than the=20 engineers? Then try Atari's Roller Coaster Tycoon 3=20 (rollercoastertycoon.com), a computer game that lets you simulate=20 your own thrill rides For the true aficionado, Roller Coaster=20 Database (rcdb.com) provides listings, news and statistics on about=20 1,800 coasters around the world. ----------- =A9 2005 Time Inc. and Time Warner Publishing B.V. From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Sep 20 10:43:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16483 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 17:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 17:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 17:43:24 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h32so501242wxd for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.1.79 with SMTP id 79mr27396wra; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:43:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43302D67.80209@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43302D67.80209@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Snyder tries to stop Astroworld sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=hhhvDnnpjpk3M1YTVTcipRkrghdVUIEGF5wDPx5xaLTtulAzNvMS_4s X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > BTW, looks like it's confirmed that I'll be there on Oct. 15th. Happy > I'll at least get in one visit to the park. Sadly, you'll miss everyone else by one week. Regardless, I'm glad you'll get to go. If anyone else (besides Beth and Brian) is going to be at Astroworld the weenend of the 21st, let me know! -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 10:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45239 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from [24.170.152.238] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EHmEj-0005AI-84 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <43304B8A.7010009@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:48:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <43302D67.80209@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b653facd9a13bfe7d8709a2ffafe31006350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Snyder tries to stop Astroworld sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=u7qD57yw3_DWl3T-xHhFxslEmVgwLV9nVVyUM1KHfTfSRwc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate K. wrote: > > BTW, looks like it's confirmed that I'll be there on Oct. 15th. Happy > > I'll at least get in one visit to the park. > > Sadly, you'll miss everyone else by one week. > > Regardless, I'm glad you'll get to go. If anyone else (besides Beth > and Brian) is going to be at Astroworld the weenend of the 21st, let > me know! > Yeah, I'm a bit bummed out about that, but I've had tickets to the symphony here for that weekend for a while now. Wife would really kill me if I skipped our date night to fly to another state to ride coasters. :P In any case, the Astroworld deal is getting messier. Now Snyder is saying that Cedar Fair has expressed an interest in buying the park: http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3868189&nav=6uy6 keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 21 07:02:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13193 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EI59o-0002N2-8G for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <433167A6.7020301@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:01:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0bde0dbdad62f50638df7ea8291aa812b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Western Playland is looking great. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PN2XLf111FjC5mtddS1qMLXyobLOKsZO8IkQ1qJVKWcdzEo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Gary wrote: > As most of you know, the old Western Playland in El Paso, Texas is > moving. The new location is at the Sunland Park Racetrack and Casino. > (Sunland Park, N.M.) On my recent visit I was excited to see the poark > actually coming to life. Thanks for the update Gary. Fun to hear how the park is coming along. Anyone know if there are any pictures of the park- both of the new site as well as the old one? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 08:05:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65729 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 15:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 15:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 15:05:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:02:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:02:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:02:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Future of former Forest Park carousel is uncertain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TL6wv8Y6mxOnNNX_wFWTpSkmP1uV7nnXB3cFTwmuFLJ4tAI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 20, 2005 Evening Sun http://www.eveningsun.com/Stories/0,1413,140~9954~3062267,00.html# By JOSEPH DEINLEIN Houston, TX -- Barbara Chronister remembers as a child walking from her home on Clover Lane to Forest Park amusement park on Baltimore Street in Hanover. She'd people-watch, and sometimes ride the rides. She especially remembers the classic carousel, built by the Dentzel Carousel Co., near the middle of the park, now the site of the South Hanover Shopping Center. "I just know it was really pretty," the 68- y.o. Hanover resident said. "There were a lot of carvings in there and stationary and jumper (horses) that went up and down. "The ones going up and down were more fun." Shortly after Forest Park closed in 1967, carousel was sold to AstroWorld in Houston, Texas. But now, AstroWorld, owned by Oklahoma City-based Six Flags Inc., will close after Halloween, leaving the future of the old carousel uncertain. "We're not prepared to discuss the relocation or use of the assets of the park at this time," said 6F spokeswoman Debbie Nauser. "The company is planning to move the majority of the rides to other parks in our system." According to its Web site, 6F is the world's largest regional theme park company. Through its subsidiaries, it owns and operates 30 parks in North America, including 6F America in Largo, Md. How the carousel got to Houston is easy to figure out, said Kent Maulsby, the director of maintenance for 6F AstroWorld, who has done some research on the old amusement. AstroWorld owner Roy Hofheinz - a former mayor and judge who also built the Houston Astrodome - bought the carousel when Forest Park closed. But how it got to Forest Park is murkier. Maulsby isn't sure exactly when the Forest Park carousel arrived in Hanover. But records show it was refurbished in 1927 by the Philadelphia Toboggan Co. PTC had bought out Dentzel Carousel in the early 1920s. Through research on the Internet and in carousel books, Maulsby has figured out the carousel at AstroWorld actually is made up of 2 carousels. "It could have been (the carousel) was refurbished from parts obtained during the shut-down, or maybe it was another old carousel that was reacquired," Maulsby said. The main structure was hand carved and built by Dentzel. But several non-moving horses on the present-day carousel came from the defunct Pen Mar Park in Maryland. That park was built by the Western Maryland Railroad as a weekend destination and run by 2 entrepreneurs, William Libby and August Karst. The carousel there, built by Daniel Muller, had only non- moving horses. Maulsby said he knows some of the horses are from the Pen Mar carousel because he found the initials "LK" carved in them, standing for Libby and Karst. He later found pictures of the Pen Mar carousel and was able to identify several horses now on the carousel in Houston. Maulsby suspects those horses got on the carousel in Hanover. Karst's son, also named August, worked at Forest Park. When Pen Mar closed in the mid-1940s, Maulsby believes the younger Karst borrowed some of the horses off his dad's carousel. Whatever its origins, the carousel helped entertain several generations of Hanover youngsters. "It's fascinating," Maulsby said. "They've outlived the amusement parks they were built for, their keepers, and the little kids that got on their backs." ------------- Copyright 2005 The Evening Sun From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 08:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82345 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 15:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 15:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 15:08:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:08:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:08:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock wait over with final approval X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U0MkjkNMjXhY-HggWi1MW23t7SMJZ4xLUB9GzFdvTYYEiV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 21, 2005 The Sun News Myrtle Beach On-line http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/1270 0240.htm By Travis Tritten Myrtle Beach, SC -- After more than 2 years of work, developers received final approval from Horry County Council on Tuesday to build a Hard Rock theme park at Fantasy Harbour. The approval of the over $300 million rock 'n' roll amusement park allows Orlando-based HRP Management Corp. to move ahead in its search for funding and possibly begin construction early next year on about 140 acres at the southwest corner of US-501 and the Intracoastal Waterway. Councilman Mike Ryan, whose district includes the site, attempted to have the vote put off for 2 weeks so the council could review it again, saying 20 months had passed since the last vote. But other County Council members said enough had been done and there were no substantial changes to consider. It could be the first park in the world to use the HR brand name and could be a magnet for visitors to the Grand Strand, local tourism officials said. But HRP must first find the money to build and plans to shop the project on the private bond market before Thanksgiving, COO Steven Goodwin said. Discussions with bankers on a bonding arrangement were to begin 9 a.m. today and the whole process should be completed in a couple months, Goodwin said. The theme park had languished for months because of negotiations with a Fantasy Harbour property owner, he said. To placate the owner, HRP amended its rezoning request so the theme park property will revert back to its original zoning if building permits are not issued within 18 months. HRP said it could not wait for 2 more weeks as Ryan requested because the bonding process needed to begin immediately. "Maybe it doesn't have as much to do with this rezoning than with a way to do business," Ryan said. "To bring it here tonight and vote on it I just don't think is doing our due diligence as council." Council Chairwoman Liz Gilland said the council passed the theme park rezoning twice and nothing has changed. "I think the public has had their say, and we have listened and so have the park [developers]," Gilland said. "Now we are at a critical time juncture I fear there is a lot to be lost." ----------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 08:24:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23230 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 15:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 15:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 15:24:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:23:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:23:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 50 Years Of Disneyland' At The Henry Ford X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EA4Gme35PEZtg_2fyYDbsbnD_R6vY0hacP9VdNrPE2Oh0ks X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September, 21, 2005 Antiques and the Arts http://www.antiquesandthearts.com/TT-2005-09-20-12-05-13p1 DEARBORN, MICH. -- The Henry Ford Museum is collaborating with Walt=20 Disney Imagineering to create an exhibit celebrating the 50th=20 anniversary of Disneyland, Disney's original theme park,=20 titled "Behind the Magic - 50 Years of Disneyland." This exhibit=20 debuts at The HFM on September 23. "Behind the Magic" is the first=20 exhibition of Disney art & artifacts focused on DL to be widely=20 displayed in the U.S. Included in the 7,500-sq-ft display are 250=20 pieces of original Imagineering artwork, handcrafted models,=20 construction drawings and marketing materials tracing the growth and=20 history of the California landmark. The original rendering of DL by Herb Ryman will be publicly=20 displayed; the art was developed to showcase Disney's concept to=20 bankers. Visitors will have the special opportunity to view, and in=20 some cases, interact with, more than 40, 3-dimensional artifacts,=20 among them figures from "It's a Small World," unique original arcade=20 games from the "Pirates of the Caribbean" attraction and the Model T- like vehicle used in "Mr Toad's Wild Ride." =20 There will be the chance to view the Abraham Lincoln figure created=20 for the 1964 World's Fair in New York City up close - the first Audio- Animatronics=AE "human" to appear in a Walt Disney production. The=20 Lincoln figure amazed audiences when he stood up and spoke, launching=20 Disney's commitment to storytelling technology that continues to=20 evolve throughout the world today. Lincoln debuted in the Illinois=20 pavilion at the fair and will be emerging from preservation for the=20 first time. "We are thrilled to have been granted access to Disney's=20 amazing collections," said Steve Hamp, president of The HFM. According to experience design director Scott Mallwitz, The HFM was=20 chosen to organize this exhibit for several reasons including its=20 influence on the early development of Disney's first theme park. "The=20 connection can be traced back to Disney himself and his 1st visit to=20 our Greenfield Village in 1940," explained Mallwitz. "Walt was so=20 taken with Henry Ford's vision of an idealized American village that=20 he returned 8 years later. These trips and visits to other=20 destinations and events across the country helped him frame the=20 concept of what would late become DL." In the early 1950s, after Disney had assembled a design and=20 engineering team to finally move the DL project forward, he sent a=20 representative to Dearborn to gather data regarding personnel as well=20 as the comments and interests of visitors. As author Michael Broggie=20 notes in his book, Walt Disney's Railroad Story, "While Walt Disney=20 admired many of America's great historical figures, he particularly=20 revered Henry Ford [who unknowingly] played a significant role in=20 helping Walt visualize his revolutionary concept for a multithemed=20 amusement park." It took construction crews just 12 months and 1 day to realize most=20 of Disney's dream, including a 5/8-scale railroad encircling the=20 park. On July 17, 1952, attractions were completed and the gates=20 opened to visitors. Within 7 weeks, attendance surpassed one million.=20 In 2004, DL's 500 millionth guest arrived. For information, 313-982-6001 or thehenryford.org. ---------- =A9 2005 Bee Publishing Company From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 21 08:30:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3888 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 15:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 15:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 15:30:50 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EI6Ya-0004nx-UM for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: <43317CAB.2040901@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:30:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b685a18d0786f61c252b4116893d2da7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Future of former Forest Park carousel is uncertain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=XGWoAyRCW4demZ-r0P2OFn84ruqC_ln5uRIfqpJga623oFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nice article Alan. Anyone else notice this tidbit: Alan wrote: > But now, AstroWorld, owned by Oklahoma City-based Six Flags Inc., > will close after Halloween, leaving the future of the old carousel > uncertain. "We're not prepared to discuss the relocation or use of > the assets of the park at this time," said 6F spokeswoman Debbie > Nauser. "The company is planning to move the majority of the rides to > other parks in our system." So it looks like a good number of rides that are there will survive, just in other places. I would guess that's mostly the flats, but perhaps also some of the coasters? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 08:41:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93016 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 15:41:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 15:39:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:39:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2964 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New theme at Ratanga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hqmQAGdC4srlXcxlRuJiY87jmIxYHRJOBv5x8Fy5gSEGTsE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 21 Sep 2005 Cape Business News http://www.cbn.co.za/dailynews/September2005//article961.htm Cape Town, South Africa -- RATANGA Junction, the struggling theme=20 park at Century City, appears to have opted for a Plan B =96 at least=20 for the medium term. Last year Cape Theme Parks =96 the owner of Ratanga Junction =96 was sold=20 to the Rabie Group's Century City Property Developments. The=20 speculation at that time was that Ratanga's theme park assets (the=20 rides and fixtures) would be sold off, and Rabie would use the land=20 for property development. Earlier this year CBN wrote that Ratanga's assets were being=20 investigated by a number of local and international theme park=20 operators. At that stage Ratanga was expected to close it's doors=20 after Easter. More recently Ratanga was granted more than a temporary reprieve with=20 an announcement that the theme park would stay open or the=20 foreseeable future =96 albeit with limited operating periods during the=20 winter. 2 things might have transpired to prompt such a decision. Either=20 there was no respectable offer for Ratanga's assets (remember Gold=20 Reef City's owners offered to buy the theme park for R1 a few years=20 ago). Or Rabie realized that Ratanga =96 while unlikely to be a money=20 spinner =96 was part and parcel of the larger Century City complex. It seems reasonable to presume that Ratanga as a stand alone=20 operation really cost the Rabie group nothing=85or at least next to=20 nothing. Unlike the original backers who oversaw the development of Ratanga in=20 1998 to the tune of R350m. Nedcor, who picked up the tab from, BOE,=20 who in turn picked up the tab from the doomed Monex Group, could=20 never really justify attempting a sustained turnaround effort at=20 Ratanga. It simply would have taken too long to recoup lost capital. But Rabie have effectively got a clean slate, and as long as costs=20 are kept to a minimum and operations generate some cash flow Ratanga=20 could have some years left. If Ratanga becomes burdensome (i.e.=20 requiring additional working capital) Rabie has the luxury of using=20 the property for another development project. Century City spokesperson Maggie Rowley says there is a new plan in=20 place at Ratanga =96 incorporating a management re-shuffle and the=20 introduction of longer operating hours. She says Ratanga is managing to generate operating profits, and=20 reckons that without huge capital expenditure the theme park could be=20 viable. Rowley says the island at Ratanga Junction =96 which houses assets=20 worth around R100m =96 will be undergoing a major refurbishment to draw=20 in corporate clients. "We think the corporate market is one area=20 where Ratanga can draw a lot of future support=85" The Century City-based Canal Walk has proved skeptics wrong, by=20 showing that it is one of the most profitable shopping centres in SA.=20 Maybe Ratanga =96 like Canal Walk =96 simply needs a bit of time to=20 blossom? ----------- Copyright 2005, Cape Business News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 09:02:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29407 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:02:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:00:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:00:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Press Release: Cable Ads for Bay Area's Premier Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=z-LeN1V1LS_9t_1Rlt1162wlKJQWgNUKaKclPWhLt95b5OY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 19, 2004 BUSINESS WIRE Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050919/195828.html?.v=3D1 SAN FRANCISCO -- To promote the park's season pass and introduce its=20 newest attraction, Crocodile Dundee's Boomerang Bay Beach Club,(TM)=20 Santa Clara theme park Paramount's Great America turned to Comcast=20 Spotlight, the advertising sales division of Comcast Cable. Looking=20 beyond traditional TV spots, PGA has been using the cable company's=20 popular Video On Demand (VOD) service, and newest advertising=20 platform. From July 19 - August 19, Comcast Digital Cable customers=20 in San Francisco ordered 31,500 views of the park's informational=20 video available on VOD, the most number of views received on this=20 platform within this time frame, making it one of Comcast's most=20 popular ads ON DEMAND this summer. In addition to a long-form ad, the advertising campaign for PGA also=20 consisted of thirty-second spots, appearing on select cable networks=20 including MTV and Lifetime, which directed viewers to the 4-minute=20 video found in the "Spotlight" section of Comcast's VOD service. The=20 4-minute advertisement, created by Comcast Spotlight with footage=20 from PGA, detailed the park's many attractions for VOD viewers.=20 The :30 ads were created by Barkley Evergreen & Partners, based in=20 Kansas City, MO. "We are pleased with the number of viewers who opted in to watch our=20 cable ads," said Linda Gardner-Franta, Marketing Manager at PGA. "We=20 think this campaign was a success because VOD allowed us to really=20 showcase the excitement of our attractions - and encourage viewing=20 audiences to visit the park." "This campaign is a great example of how VOD is helping TV=20 advertising evolve," said Warren Schlichting, VP New Business=20 Development at Comcast Spotlight. "Cross-platform campaigns like this=20 give advertisers the chance to grab viewers' attention with thirty- second spots and then direct them to VOD to provide more information.=20 Comcast anticipates that customers will watch more than 1-billion VOD=20 programs in 2005, and this is a great venue for advertisers to inform=20 viewers about products while engaging them with the sight, sound and=20 motion that television can offer." ---------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 09:17:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56154 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:17:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:11:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:11:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fireworks risk for Alton Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FGHIlNW3H15ReXHCZndWRqhBPNH4Ro72E4YUhm2o72Q51ZU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 21 September 2005 BBC News - World Edition http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/4267014.stm Alton, Staffordshire, UK -- Alton Towers is pressing ahead with plans for 3 firework displays despite waiting for the outcome of an ongoing noise abatement case. The Staffordshire park has been ordered to come up with ways of reducing noise, after losing an appeal against an abatement order brought by residents. A park spokesman said it was taking a risk but was basing its decision on earlier comments made by a judge. An adjudication on the noise abatement order will be made on 14 October. In an earlier ruling, the park was limited to one 30-minute display a year, but a judge has since suggested this may be too harsh. Traditionally, the park held 5 events at the end of October. This year it is planning three for 28, 29 & 30 October. GM Russell Barnes said: "Whilst we recognise there is a risk involved in promoting these shows before the terms of the abatement order have been confirmed, we felt it was imperative we press ahead with our plans because they are key not only to the park but to the community." ----------- Copyright 2005, BBC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 09:22:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84316 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:22:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:21:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:21:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Utopia Studios Plan Moving Forward X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6ecCWNI5G0dRFxUkMNG3R5I8YkN17Hb3C1nbctgIbVA-BHc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 21, 2005 The Hartford Courant http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc- utopiabrief0921.artsep21,0,7757635.story?&track=3Drss Uncasville, CT -- A major stumbling block to a proposed $1.6 billion=20 movie studio and theme park plan in eastern Connecticut was removed=20 Tuesday when Utopia Studios agreed to strict terms for negotiating a=20 development contract with the town of Preston. A letter specifying the terms of the negotiations was signed by the=20 parties late Tuesday afternoon. The development is planned for the 400-acre former Norwich State=20 Hospital along the Thames River, across from Mohegan Sun casino.=20 Utopia would get the property for $1 but would have to pay for an=20 environmental cleanup that could cost $20 million or more. However, before Preston can sign any deal with Utopia it must work=20 out a purchase and sale agreement with the state of Connecticut, said=20 First Selectman Robert Congdon, co-chairman of a local committee=20 overseeing sale and development of the hospital property. The state=20 has already promised to convey the land to Preston for $1. Congdon said Preston is eager to develop the parcel, but the town=20 wants to make sure it learns more details about Utopia's elaborate=20 development plans, which include 12 sound stages, indoor theme parks,=20 shopping and a school for the film arts. "I think we've made=20 ourselves absolutely clear," Congdon said. "It's the best way to go=20 as far as our options go." If the state turns over the property quickly, Preston should know by=20 December whether it has a deal with Utopia. Spokesman James Sullivan predicted that Utopia, led by Long Island=20 real estate developer Joseph Gentile, will be able to ease the town's=20 concerns about the size and scope of the project. "We feel very confident that the discussions are going to be fruitful=20 and are going to lead us to the position where we are going to be=20 talking about putting the shovel in the ground very soon," he said. --------- =A9 2005 by The Hartford Courant From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 09:32:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89239 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:31:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:31:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:31:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:31:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:31:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1070 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dhaka Zoo to build modern Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZqrEum9ZzZ0vTBbYDsd2Hk1BYNdpvFUu75txqNoKJfkv1B8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 17 2005 Bangladesh Observer http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-09- 17&hidType=NAT&hidRecord=0000000000000000061199 Dhaka, Bangladesh -- An initiative has been taken to make Dhaka Zoo more attractive by setting up a modern Theme Park, reports BDNEWS. Dhaka Zoo sources said, the authorities of the zoo have asked for an allocation of Tk 25 lakh from the Fisheries and Livestock Ministry. The park inside the zoo will be expanded and 8 sophisticated rides will be installed there, sources added. The rides include electric train, single rocking machine, water world, battery car etc. The zoo authorities said, visitors have to buy tickets to enter the park and for rides at more economical rates than other theme parks in the country. Curator Mofizur Rahman told BDNEWS that though the zoo authorities will install those rides these will be leased out to a private firm for a certain period for their operation. He added, if monetary allocation is available, the park will remain open for the visitors in the next January. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 09:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19837 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 16:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 16:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 16:35:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:35:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2005 16:35:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:35:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man Accused of Attacking Scooby Doo Character X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QkmMX9uUBr93zjwOgMcq-_LbyMNfQk2IcnBRTyVh4DKws7E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 20, 2005 WTSP-TV http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx? storyid=3D44473 ORLANDO, FL -- An off-duty corrections officer for the Department of=20 Juvenile Justice has been charged with attacking a costumed Scooby=20 Doo character for no apparent reason at Universal Studios theme park=20 in Orlando last Friday. There was no apparent reason for the beating - witnesses said that=20 when the Scooby Doo character bent down to take a picture with Eddie=20 Bronson's child at the theme park Friday, Bronson allegedly grabbed=20 the front of his costume and pulled him down. The police report says that the character began to shake his head and=20 his arms to get away from Bronson's grip. Police said that when the character walked away to greet other=20 guests, the incident escalated, police said. Universal officials told police there was some damage to the costume=20 and the character suffered a headache. Bronson alleges that he was trying to pet the character on top of the=20 head after the photo was taken. Bronson bonded out of jail. ------------ =A9 2004-2005 WTSP From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 21 12:23:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23599 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j8LJMoA5009099 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:22:57 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:22:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:22:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2005 19:22:54.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD6526C0:01C5BEE1] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Fireworks risk for Alton Towers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fsxaSokMfz9P4cQ6USP5eO7MQTdxmYw9tZuYfjLU7A5d6iaw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, What's with all the problems Alton has with their neighbors? Are they really in peoples living rooms, or do the residents just whine more than usual? Cameron. On Sep 21, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Alan wrote: > 21 September 2005 > BBC News - World Edition > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/4267014.stm > > > Alton, Staffordshire, UK -- Alton Towers is pressing ahead with plans > for 3 firework displays despite waiting for the outcome of an ongoing > noise abatement case. > > The Staffordshire park has been ordered to come up with ways of > reducing noise, after losing an appeal against an abatement order > brought by residents. > > A park spokesman said it was taking a risk but was basing its > decision on earlier comments made by a judge. > > An adjudication on the noise abatement order will be made on 14 > October. > > In an earlier ruling, the park was limited to one 30-minute display a > year, but a judge has since suggested this may be too harsh. > > Traditionally, the park held 5 events at the end of October. > > This year it is planning three for 28, 29 & 30 October. > > GM Russell Barnes said: "Whilst we recognise there is a risk involved > in promoting these shows before the terms of the abatement order have > been confirmed, we felt it was imperative we press ahead with our > plans because they are key not only to the park but to the community." > ----------- > Copyright 2005, BBC > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 21 12:24:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32271 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 19:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 19:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 19:24:51 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j8LJNg9j001023 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:23:42 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:23:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:23:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2005 19:23:42.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA144A80:01C5BEE1] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Man Accused of Attacking Scooby Doo Character X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wLUS8_mMvcqqtollSBJoJidjuhwejyBBsgb0pURs2SyUjhcc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon "Man Accused of Attacking Scooby Doo" - Did this totally crack-up anyone else?! :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Sep 21 16:41:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27709 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 23:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 23:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 23:41:19 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8LNfDeL013235 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:41:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2CDC68F1-40D6-4A72-AE90-84C26F7E64F1@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:43:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=rHX92v4ODV7OKI4g5Lgn5NdCgRmUuYHkBC9WsqWfm8H7ArnCg3Zr X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman In case if anyone was planning to head there... according to Six Flags' site, SFAW (and the SF waterpark in the area) will be closed this weekend... the 24th and 25th... due to Hurricane Rita. The hurricane looks like it will hit a little south of Houston as a medium category 4. SFOT so far looks like it will stay open. What I'm wondering is if, worst case scenario... the park sustains a lot of damage... how long it would take for it to reopen, or if they would even bother. I doubt it would be too long because it looks pretty far back from the ocean and it won't be hit head on, but if everyone in the area has damage to their property, the money and time might be going to fixing that instead of visiting the park... so I dont think its too far out of possibility that SF might just keep it closed since theres only a couple weekends left. Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 21 16:52:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55016 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2005 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EIEOL-00040r-90 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4331F24F.7050005@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <2CDC68F1-40D6-4A72-AE90-84C26F7E64F1@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <2CDC68F1-40D6-4A72-AE90-84C26F7E64F1@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0bea71152b093512fb426f4d3320d6afb6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nLqo92LTD_VdzQkvNuWbJNBvCuDfmu8h-B5kpkkTvuAHY04 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Filippone wrote: > In case if anyone was planning to head there... according to Six > Flags' site, SFAW (and the SF waterpark in the area) will be closed > this weekend... the 24th and 25th... due to Hurricane Rita. The > hurricane looks like it will hit a little south of Houston as a > medium category 4. SFOT so far looks like it will stay open. > > What I'm wondering is if, worst case scenario... the park sustains a > lot of damage... how long it would take for it to reopen, or if they > would even bother. I doubt it would be too long because it looks > pretty far back from the ocean and it won't be hit head on, but if > everyone in the area has damage to their property, the money and time > might be going to fixing that instead of visiting the park... so I > dont think its too far out of possibility that SF might just keep it > closed since theres only a couple weekends left. > > Mike yeah, wouldn't it figure that another park I bypassed on that trip would get hit and closed by a hurricane. My guess would be that if there was major or heavy damage around and/or in the park, they'd probably just close it down. Guess I should wait until after this weekend to buy my tickets and make sure that there is going to be a park to visit first. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 03:18:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54423 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 10:18:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 10:16:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 10:16:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:16:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Utopia Studios Plan Moving Forward X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eujhsetCkNECozatYWKIxyQzS_3cE1loWT9DIWu8Vj6xN-IdOg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > September 21, 2005 > The Hartford Courant > http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc- > utopiabrief0921.artsep21,0,7757635.story?&track=rss > > > Uncasville, CT -- A major stumbling block to a proposed $1.6 billion > movie studio and theme park plan in eastern Connecticut was removed > Tuesday when Utopia Studios agreed to strict terms for negotiating a > development contract with the town of Preston. Um, wow. For a development that most people chalked up as a pipe dream, it is starting to sound like something might actually come out of this. I just hope it turns out to be more substantial than the monorail scheme on the Simpsons! Chris B From Iamlost23@aol.com Thu Sep 22 04:50:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Iamlost23@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91677 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 11:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 11:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 11:50:42 -0000 Received: from Iamlost23@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.81.30865ce3 (4402) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81.30865ce3.3063f47d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:50:21 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Iamlost23@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1857 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37847363; y=I5HgxrMU5oAxzRfDvJEWwfvxINIA-g9u0Mb2Fg7VccNkqXuoh8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: iamlost_r_u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2005 1:06:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com writes: Man, I wish I could afford this thing: Wow that was really cool. Colleen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 08:54:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93832 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 15:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 15:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 15:54:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 15:54:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 15:54:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:54:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81.30865ce3.3063f47d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Digest Number 1857 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=33Dm1tkGe7_WyE5BIzz50IMq6ZV4M9W85WT2_Iegzg1MhgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 What's really cool? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Iamlost23@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/19/2005 1:06:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Man, I wish I could afford this thing: > > > Wow that was really cool. > Colleen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 12:13:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75980 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 19:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 19:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 19:13:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:13:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:13:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:13:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Western Playland bids farewell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r_GLUIyfScuMeo8tYeaa7Tgn0_9K74tMQhp1KFnN9RpNrfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 22, 2005=20=20 El Paso Times http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050922/NEWS/509220326 by Ramon Bracamontes Sunland Park, NM -- The Western Playland that you, Rene Rodriguez and=20 thousands of El Pasoans grew up with will be dismantled after this=20 weekend, as the 45-y.o. amusement park moves from Ascarate Park to=20 Sunland Park. The 17-mile move will begin next week, after the park shuts down at 8=20 p.m. Sunday on the final weekend for this summer's season. "This park=20 is a part of a lot of us," said Rodriguez, who grew up in El Paso but=20 now lives in Austin and works at the University of Texas at=20 Austin. "It has always been that little special place that this city=20 has, and other cities don't. It has sentimental value." Since 1960, when Western Playland opened with 6 rides and 7=20 employees, it has been a special part of El Paso and a part of owner=20 Pat Thomson's life. Thomson's grandfather and father opened the park.=20 They expanded several times, but 4 years ago, it outgrew its current=20 15-acre site at 6900 Delta. Negotiations to expand the park with the El Paso County Commissioners=20 Court fell through in 2002, causing Thomson to look for a second=20 home. 3 years ago, he signed a contract to move onto a 60-acre site=20 across the parking lot from Sunland Park Racetrack & Casino. The new Western Playland will open with about 25 rides in the summer=20 of 2006. At Ascarate Park, only the go-carts and a couple of kiddie=20 rides will remain to fulfill a contract that doesn't expire until=20 2014. All of the major rides will move. For Rodriguez, and others who grew up with the park, it is the end of=20 an era, even though he acknowledges that the new site may lead to a=20 better park. "I met most of my best friends there," he said. "It was=20 the place to go. Back then, it was the only source of entertainment=20 for young kids." In the 1970s, while a student at Bel Air High School, Rodriguez=20 worked at the park, operated the El Bandido and met his future wife,=20 Becky, there. She was a Riverside High School student working in=20 ticket sales. "My kids have visited Disneyland and Six Flags," he=20 said, "and when I take them to Western Playland, they don't=20 understand the connection I have with the park. They don't see why=20 this park is special." It is special, Rosa V. Martinez said, because it was a place the=20 entire family could enjoy. It had rides for older kids, such as the=20 Himalaya, and Tea Cups for smaller kids. It had fireworks displays,=20 it had Friday night dances, concerts and company parties. It was the=20 home of "POP," pay one price. "This is another El Paso thing that is=20 being taken away from us," said Martinez, whose back yard on Ben=20 Swain Street faces Western Playland. "Is everything going to be=20 closed in this city?" She moved into her home in 1964. She has lived through the ups &=20 downs of Western Playland and Ascarate Park. She lived there when=20 thousands of teenagers would cruise the park on Friday nights and=20 Sunday afternoons. She was there when the Gold Nugget opened in 1971=20 and the El Bandido went up in 1974. She remembers ski boats and a gas=20 station at the lake. She never minded the noise, traffic and lights. She views the moving=20 of Western Playland as a de facto closing, similar to Dudley Field=20 and Bowie High School, both of which moved. "I'm going to miss it; my=20 family will miss it," she said. "You cannot replace it." Thomson will miss the old park, which employed about 130 students=20 each summer and attracted more than 240,000 visitors each year. It=20 also survived a competitive challenge from Magic Landing in the=20 1980s, after having to compete with Washington Park's amusement rides=20 in the 1970s. "It's tough to leave here, but the new site is=20 spectacular: The Franklin Mountains are on the north side, and Mount=20 Cristo Rey on the other," Thomson said. El Paso County officials said they don't know what will become of the=20 Western Playland site and have set their sights instead on the=20 overall future of Ascarate Park, which includes baseball fields, a=20 golf course, an aquatics center and the lake. Rosemary Neill, director of family & community services and interim=20 director of parks, golf and aquatic for the county, said negotiations=20 are still continuing between the county and the city to see whether=20 the city can take over the park. For the next year, though, the county will continue to run Ascarate=20 Park, she said. ------------ =A9 2005 El Paso Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 12:19:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84493 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 19:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 19:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 19:19:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:19:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:19:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:19:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:19:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: General manager resigns at Great Escape X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=neDZjDV3eW3B3lk3ib2OwXGxkRl-PwqiGMyUh8a5ufpvxwY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 22, 2005 bizjournals.com Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050922/1167406.html?.v=3D1 Lake George, NY -- Scott Maupin has taken over as general manager at=20 the Great Escape & Splashwater Kingdom amusement park in Queensbury. Maupin replaces John Collins, who resigned Sept. 16. A spokesman for=20 the company said Collins left to pursue other business opportunities. The change in management follows the appointment last week of Daniel=20 Williams as GM of a new 38,000-sq-ft indoor waterpark and hotel that=20 parent company Six Flags Inc. is building nearby. The complex is=20 expected to open next year. Maupin had been general manager of Six Flags' White Water Bay park in=20 Oklahoma City. Six Flags, which operates 30 amusement parks in North America, has=20 its corporate offices in New York City and Oklahoma City. Published September 22, 2005 by The Business Review ------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 12:48:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77720 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:48:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A key milestone in the development of Hong Kong's tourism industry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5vP0nRquEl0_MoiG1OXaSzttoNpcC1718NswHG1hUIl6M-M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 22 September 2005 Bangkok Post http://www.bangkokpost.com/en/Horizons/22Sep2005_hori60.php Lantau Island, Hong Kong, China -- It was a hot day, but the crowd=20 that had turned up for the grand opening of the Hong Kong Disneyland=20 on September 12 didn't complain. People lined up in long queues=20 eagerly expecting to see the performances and animated shows at the=20 newly-opened amusement park. The park has 3 distinctive theme areas: Adventureland, Tomorrowland=20 and Fantasyland. The 3-D "Mickey's PhilharMagic" show, the "Golden=20 Mickeys" _ a Broadway-style performance _ and the "Many Adventures of=20 Winnie the Pooh" at Fantasyland drew long lines of visitors, as did=20 the "Festival of the Lion King" at Adventureland and the "Space=20 Mountain" at Tomorrowland. "They want to be among the first to see the new attraction," said our=20 guide of the expectant crowd. You have to plan your schedule to the minute if you want see and=20 experience everything that's on offer at the park. "I was here during=20 the rehearsals with my children and it took me the whole day just to=20 see three shows," said a park staffer. Some 5.6 million visitors are expected at the theme park in the first=20 year, a majority _ 80% _ from mainland China. Henry Tang, the finance=20 secretary of HK, said the opening of HKDL "would be a driving force=20 for tourism growth in HK, family tourism in particular."=20 The world-class theme park and resort, located on Lantau Island, is=20 Disney's first theme park in China that offers magical experiences=20 for the family ranging from Broadway-style shows and signature Disney=20 attractions to vibrant fireworks and parades. "Now everyone is=20 talking about going to HKDL. Our package to DL has received=20 favourable feedback from Thai travellers," said Yongyut Lujintanon,=20 sales and marketing manager for Thailand and Burma (Myanmar) of=20 Cathay Pacific Airways. In the run up to the opening on September 12 the airline had sold=20 over 400 travel packages to DL. It's offering a 2 day/1 night package=20 from Bangkok to the theme park priced at 17,300 baht which includes=20 roundtrip air ticket, accommodation at DL Hotel or Hollywood Hotel=20 and a day pass to the theme park. The newest DL is also the smallest property of its kind in the world,=20 but it would still take visitors more than a day to admire and=20 experience all its attractions. So overnight stay is recommended. The DL Hotel comprising 400 rooms is set in grand Victorian style and=20 sits on the shores of the South China Sea. Patterned after the Grand=20 Floridian Beach Resort at Walt Disney World in Florida, the hotel=20 features 2 restaurants, several specialty shops, a lounge and tea=20 area, a spa, 15 suites, meeting and convention facilities (including=20 a grand ballroom), a wedding gazebo and lushly landscaped grounds. The Hollywood Hotel, on the other hand, is designed with an art deco=20 exterior and features motifs of Disney's world-famous mouse. It is a=20 tribute to the heyday of the movie-making capital of the world. One=20 can see Mickey Mouse stalking you everywhere _ in the lobby,=20 corridor, bathroom and even the bedroom. All amenities are in the=20 shape and design of Mickey Mouse that can amaze and bore you at the=20 same time. Visitors to the park must take the time to Disney's 3 theme parks. Adventureland's highlight is the the 2,200-seat Theatre-in-the-Wild,=20 which is one of the most technically advanced theatrical venues in=20 any Disney park around the world. It is here that guests can take in=20 the Disney musical spectacular _ the Festivals of the Lion King.=20 Also, take the opportunity to join a boat exploration for an exotic=20 journey along the waterways aboard the Jungle River Cruise. The boat=20 skipper will guide guests on the journey past river rafts, elephants=20 frolicking in water, quaking temple ruins, invading gorillas,=20 erupting geysers and some very mischievous hippos. For guests seeking a hint of the future, Tomorrowland offers a world=20 filled with science fiction and soaring space adventures. Taking a=20 whole new approach Walt Disney imagineers have created an entire land=20 that becomes an intergalactic spaceport _ and every restaurant, shop=20 and attraction is filled with robots, rocket ships and drifting=20 planets. Guests are treated to the warp-speed adventure of "Space Mountain";=20 fly their own flying saucer at "Orbitron" and blast off with "Buzz=20 Lightyear Astro Blasters". And at Fantasyland, you must make it a point to see as many shows as=20 you can. Just bear in mind, the queue can be long. After you have finished tour of the theme park, you might have to=20 remind yourself that you are in HK. The DL is definitely a departure=20 from traditional trips to HK that revolve around shopping,=20 sightseeing and dining. Thai visitors now have a better reason to be in HK _ Disneyland. --------- =A9 Copyright The Post Publishing Public Co., Ltd. 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 13:18:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22397 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 20:18:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 20:18:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Press Release: Hallowboo Screams into Idlewild & SoakZone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ldVvrMoJVGemzfEwkLNFpesjCCXeFOAdJpeNou1jr2cW7Qk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 21, 2005 Source: Idlewild & SoakZone=20 PR Newswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050921/clwv054.html?.v=3D1 LIGONIER, Pa. -- For the first time in its 128-year history,=20 amusement park fans, families and kids will be treated to a=20 special "Hallowboo" celebration this fall, beginning October 1st at=20 Idlewild & SoakZone (www.idlewild.com)- one of the "best kid's parks"=20 in the world. "We have created the most fun and enjoyable Halloween experience for=20 families and kids in western Pennsylvania with several Hallowboo=20 attractions - each with a unique theme and level of excitement," says=20 Brandon Leonatti, GM of Idlewild & SoakZone. "It's the Idlewild our=20 fans know & love with a fun, family-oriented, Happy Halloween twist.=20 Guests will enjoy beautiful fall foliage and most of the rides and=20 attractions of Olde Idlewild, Jumpin' Jungle, Hootin' Holler, Story=20 Book Forest and Raccoon Lagoon. Some of the park's most popular venues have been completely=20 redesigned and redecorated in a fun Halloween and fall theme with=20 pumpkins, cornstalks and scarecrows. Ricky Raccoon and other=20 characters and team members will don costumes and be on hand to guide=20 families through Hallowboo. Included in the admission price are 5 major attractions and a wide=20 variety of family fun entertainment such as: Trick or Treating=20 throughout Story Book Forest sponsored by Snyder's of Berlin, Boyer=20 Candy, and Swedish Fish and Sour Patch brand candies; mask making and=20 other children's activities sponsored by The Pittsburgh Children's=20 Museum, a hay bale maze; the Haunted Hollow train ride; and 2 themed=20 shows performed 3 times per day. Spookier attractions include "Confusing Hilda's," where Hilda the=20 witch casts a spell on her guests that make them see strange and=20 unusual things and "The Parlor" - a tour of a creepy funeral home.=20 Concessions include many fall favorites such as hot apple dumplings,=20 cider, and pumpkin ice cream. Hallowboo is open October 1, 8, 15, 22, 23, 29 and 30 from Noon to=20 6:00 p.m. Guests pay only one admission to stay all day. Tickets are available at the gate on event days or in advance by=20 calling 724.238.6784. Admission is $15.95 for ages 3 and over=20 (children 2 and under get in free). For a one time $10.95 upgrade,=20 2005 season pass holders can experience Hallowboo every day. A=20 special discount rate of only $8.95 is available for groups of 15 or=20 more and valuable $4.00 discount coupons are available at=20 participating Giant Eagle locations. ---------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc =A9 2005 PR Newswire From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 22 13:56:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57655 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 20:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 20:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 20:56:14 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8MKuAb6018135 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03a801c5bfb8$1577fd40$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:56:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Utopia Studios Plan Moving Forward X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=PJCzvw0eN_ZViKDYgIJNfRLRb9XEz3LTqHTNST7Cex2TgziuBWiOyPHDsg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I don't know why, but it seems that when anyone pitches a plan that involved building a movie studio and a theme park, it is doomed for failure. For as long as I've been doing Screamscape, I don't think I've seen one survive yet. Or the rare cases that do get built for a time are really just tours of an actual studio, pitched as if they were something more like a theme park experience, like the Titanic tours that were running in Mexico and Australia for awhile. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Utopia Studios Plan Moving Forward > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" > wrote: >> September 21, 2005 >> The Hartford Courant >> http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc- >> utopiabrief0921.artsep21,0,7757635.story?&track=rss >> >> >> Uncasville, CT -- A major stumbling block to a proposed $1.6 > billion >> movie studio and theme park plan in eastern Connecticut was removed >> Tuesday when Utopia Studios agreed to strict terms for negotiating > a >> development contract with the town of Preston. > > Um, wow. > > For a development that most people chalked up as a pipe dream, it is > starting to sound like something might actually come out of this. > > I just hope it turns out to be more substantial than the monorail > scheme on the Simpsons! > > Chris B > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be > like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and > would not like to see there. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 14:13:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14608 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2005 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2005 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 21:13:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 21:12:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2005 21:12:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:12:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Western Playland bids farewell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=__aRpcIvXISUzIgWmZ9q0chB4beQzAUIahrbMj1s5NbkTHL1IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Court fell through in 2002, causing Thomson to look for a second > home. 3 years ago, he signed a contract to move onto a 60-acre site > across the parking lot from Sunland Park Racetrack & Casino. > > The new Western Playland will open with about 25 rides in the summer > of 2006. At Ascarate Park, only the go-carts and a couple of kiddie > rides will remain to fulfill a contract that doesn't expire until > 2014. All of the major rides will move. Weird, I don't think I had heard about this "split-park" operations before. Oh well, better this than shut down and decay! Chris From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 18:10:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53553 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 01:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 01:10:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 80611 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2005 01:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050923011029.80609.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.71.99.225] by web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:10:29 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1127405873.190.80012.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1860 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=h5mK1of25ZpcgVYwmxlWIzjR5cyrpQSIShqCZcGuUASuvgdBbaxz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck What???? >Millennium Force Ohio *snip* >The agonizingly slow crawl to the apex, overlooking >Lake Erie, will have you begging for the 149-km/h >drop. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 14:46:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24613 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2005 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2005 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 21:46:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2005 21:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2005 21:46:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2005 21:46:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:46:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: India's Nicco Park & Resorts ties up with ION Exchange X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2pFrmXqvpbCfomiXz_8DnVrNFBTMCpzxUMoCkph5dJJAKW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 23, 2005 Asia Pulse News Yahoo! Finance http://au.biz.yahoo.com/050923/17/9u9g.html KOLKATA, India -- Nicco Parks & Resorts Limited, which operates=20 amusement parks in India and abroad, has entered into an agreement=20 with Ion Exchange (India) Limited (BSE:500214) for providing treated=20 water at its proposed Water Park in Kolkata. Speaking to reporters here Thursday, chairman of Nicco group Rajive=20 Kaul said that the agreement would ensure that the quality of water=20 at its Water Park would be of the highest standards. Kaul said that the Water Park, christened `Wet O Wild - Beach=20 Tropicana' would be located inside Nicco Park on 6 acres of land. He=20 said that the park would have India's largest artificial beach=20 covering a length of 250 metres. The cost of the project would be Rs=20 60 million (US$1.36 million), Kaul said, adding that the park would=20 be opened next summer. Managing director of Ion Exchange Rajesh Sharma said that this was=20 the first time in India that treated water would be provided in a=20 water park. He said that quality of water was the highest concern among parents=20 because it was the source of infection. Nicco Park had also signed an agreement for setting up a theme park=20 in Colombo. The company has also got overseas contracts in UK,=20 Germany and UAE. ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Asia Pulse From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Sep 23 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33301 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 00:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 00:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 00:58:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 00:58:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:58:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.131.230.45 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=rYbCJghtvn4gB7RvoGZywIEYVbE5LbD8ofHXTv5wHBDuNt7sU-s X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred The Avatar at PKI will be a new kind of family roller coaster, but=20 this press release doesn't explain the concept. Moreover, according=20 to Screamscape, the Scooby's Ghoster Coaster would be removed to=20 clear some room for this new children area. ***************************************** New Nickelodeon=99 Universe Premieres in 2006 at Paramount's Kings=20 Island Multi-million dollar area features the world's largest collection of=20 Nickelodeon rides and attractions KINGS ISLAND, Ohio =96 Paramount's Kings Island, long ranked as=20 offering the "Best Kid's Area in the World," Amusement Today Golden=20 Ticket award winner 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, is excited to=20 premiere the most elaborate collection of Nickelodeon-inspired rides=20 and attractions in the world opening in the Spring of 2006. Nick=20 Universe includes a total of 18 rides and attractions bringing to=20 life Nickelodeon's most popular character celebrities and adventures=20 including Avatar=99, The Backyardigans=99, Blue's Clues=99, Danny Phantom= =99,=20 Dora the Explorer=99, The Fairly OddParents=99, Jimmy Neutron: Boy=20 Genius=99, LazyTown=99, Little Bill=99, The Rugrats=99, SpongeBob=20 SquarePants=99, and The Wild Thornberrys=99. The largest Nickelodeon area in the world boasts six all-new=20 attractions including: Thrill-seeking families take a whirlwind ride with Avatar on this=20 first-of-its kind family roller coaster=20 Kids can enjoy a free-fall ride in the hopes to escape the menacing=20 wrath of Plankton, SpongeBob SquarePants' nemesis=20 Families fly with Danny Phantom as they spin through the air like a=20 superhero=20 All aboard Azul=99 the train! =96 Passengers join Dora the Explorer and=20 Boots=99 on a storybook train ride adventure=20 Kids join Blue for a jumping journey around her house=20 Guests enter the adventures of Bikini Bottom through a pineapple=20 under the sea to experience SpongeBob SquarePants' underwater world.=20 Nick Universe also features two new neighborhoods containing a=20 variety of Dora the Explorer and SpongeBob SquarePants - inspired=20 rides and attractions. In addition, this area has new dining,=20 shopping and celebrity encounters with kids' favorite Nickelodeon=20 stars. "Thanks to our incredible partnership with Nickelodeon, we are=20 creating the next level of family entertainment. We are excited to=20 offer a collection of new attractions that parents and kids can enjoy=20 together, in conjunction with new family-friendly amenities such as=20 spacious shaded walkways and additional shaded seating," said Craig=20 Ross executive vice president and general manager for Paramount's=20 Kings Island. "The Nickelodeon Universe area and attraction detail,=20 along with other new 2006 attraction information, will be announced=20 after the conclusion of our long anticipated WinterFest holiday=20 event." Paramount's Kings Island reopens for weekends beginning Oct 1st =96=20 November 6, 2005 Discount Tickets On Sale Now FearFest tickets are on sale now at all Cincinnati and Dayton=20 Blockbuster, Kroger and Meijer locations for only $26.99 (a savings=20 of over 40%). Guests can also purchase tickets online at=20 pkifearfest.com for $26.99. Best Deal - Don't miss the chance to purchase a 2006 season pass at=20 the lowest price of the season. Buy now and get free 2005 FearFest=20 admission, free parking for the rest of the 2005 season, and free=20 parking in 2006. Visit www.pki.com or call 1-800-288-0808. Paramount Parks (a unit of Viacom Inc.), is a leading developer and=20 operator of world-class theme parks and location-based attractions,=20 entertaining more than 13 million guests annually. The company=20 currently owns and operates five of the most popular theme parks in=20 North America including: Paramount Canada's Wonderland (Toronto,=20 Ontario, Canada); Paramount's Carowinds (Charlotte, N.C.);=20 Paramount's Great America (Santa Clara, Calif.); Paramount's Kings=20 DominionKings Dominion (Richmond, Va.); and Paramount's Kings Island=20 (Cincinnati, Ohio). The company also developed and manages the award- winning STAR TREK: The Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton (Las Vegas,=20 Nev.) and manages Bonfante Gardens horticultural theme park (Gilroy,=20 Calif.) and CBS Television City at the MGM Grand Hotel & Casino (Las=20 Vegas, Nev.). More information about Paramount Parks is available at=20 www.paramountparks.com. Nickelodeon, which is in its 26th year, is the number-one=20 entertainment brand for kids. It has built a diverse, global business=20 by putting kids first in everything it does. The company includes=20 television programming and production in the United States and around=20 the world, plus consumer products, online, recreation, books,=20 magazines and feature films. Nickelodeon's U.S. television network is=20 seen in 89 million households and has been the number-one-rated basic=20 cable network for ten consecutive years. Nickelodeon and all related=20 titles, characters and logos are trademarks of Viacom International=20 Inc. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Sep 23 18:04:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49475 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 01:04:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:03:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:03:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.131.230.45 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: S&S's Xtreme Swing at Valleyfair in 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=GsMM5i3QUe9bDmvMRWY3kwZRyFHM6UMV9asdMbQR4n771xyAnpc X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Should we expect a similar thrill ride for Cedar Point in 2006?=20=20 Cedar Fair's Valleyfair announced today a new Xtreme Swing from S&S.=20=20 As it's often the case with the construction of new rides in CF's=20 park, all details are available on Valleyfair's website: http://www.valleyfair.com/insidethepark/rides/coasterthrillrides/xtrem eswing.cfm ****************************************** Valleyfair Announces New World-Class Thrill Ride for 2006 Season=20 Largest Ride of its Kind in the Upper Midwest ( Shakopee , MN ) September 23, 2005 =96 Call it a high-powered swing=20 set; something you won't find in your own backyard. New at Valleyfair=20 in 2006 is Xtreme Swing , an air-launched thrill ride. This $6 million attraction towers over 60 feet tall and accommodates=20 40 passengers, who are seated back-to-back in two rows of 10 riders=20 each on two giant swinging arms. Ride motion is that of a pendulum,=20 suspended from an axle, swinging in an arc, back and forth =96 just=20 like a child's playground swing; except this ride takes you higher =96=20 up to 125 feet in the air and faster =96 up to 60 miles per hour. "We're excited to bring this thrilling, new attraction to=20 Valleyfair," states Larry MacKenzie, Valleyfair's vice president and=20 general manager. "It will bring back the kid in all of us." Xtreme Swing is designed by S & S Worldwide Inc., based in Logan ,=20 Utah . S & S also designed Valleyfair's popular ride =96 Power Tower . Construction has already begun on Xtreme Swing, which will debut at=20 Valleyfair in May 2006, which is also the park's 30 th Anniversary=20 year. Guests must be 48 inches or taller to ride. Valleyfair is owned and operated by Cedar Fair, L.P., a publicly=20 traded partnership that is listed for trading on The New York Stock=20 Exchange under the symbol "FUN." In addition to Valleyfair, Cedar=20 Fair owns and operates six other amusement parks, five water parks=20 and one indoor water park resort.=20 From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Sep 23 18:09:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73136 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 01:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 01:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 01:09:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:09:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:09:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:09:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.131.230.45 From: "bastienfred" Subject: RUMOR: Name of the new Magic Mountain's flying coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=KjL7fJ5BMbGl6HItzZxrYL4gYFP4eDePLJNyYHSq-_Q4DRd7WiU X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Screamscape and the Roller Coaster Data Base report that "Tatsu - Fly at the Speed of Fear" would be the name of the flying coaster which is now under construction. Tatsu means "dragon" in Japanese. This is more original than Goliath, Superman, Batman and other Six Flags' typical names. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Sep 23 18:15:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55210 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 01:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 01:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 01:15:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:14:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:14:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2005 01:14:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:14:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.131.230.45 From: "bastienfred" Subject: RUMOR: SFGAdv's new coaster and (another) new children area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=azobJe6uuxzyPd2B6Yof0cGOukbcjshV0J-waLThoG4pF0SBS0o X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred According to http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/1210 Sep. 21st, 2005 -- Six Flags Great Adventure, the World's largest regional theme park, will soon announce the details of its dramatic 2006 expansion plans. Those plans call for a "monsterous" wooden coaster to be constructed. The announcement will include an enormous, record-breaking wooden roller coaster -- the park's first new wooden coaster since 1978. One of two newly-themed areas - the park's third section devoted to children - will focus solely on families with exciting pint-sized adventures for the littlest thrill seekers. More details will be available on September 28th. From hi_jeanx@yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 21:59:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: hi_jeanx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9102 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 04:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 04:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 04:59:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 95015 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2005 04:58:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20050924045821.95013.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.37.133] by web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:58:21 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2CDC68F1-40D6-4A72-AE90-84C26F7E64F1@rpi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ted Lemen Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229592221; y=tUilwVjrY88YrfZZcdecAHKKmTwEh_eQXa3iYv-zVPWtOeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: hi_jeanx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Koaster Kids: I'm new to the group and haven't been to the 6F park in Houston, and a million questions come to my mind, and they'd all be answered if someone could put together a synopisis in 40-50 words that says that they are closing because: there aren't any customers, there are gang fights or alcohol control problems, the rides are fun so nobody shows up, they need the land for more refineries, etc. A couple of good replies would make your frequent posts on this topic far more insightful for me, too, and without having to good back through lots and lots of posts. Next comment: if there is some specific, overriding customer service or economic issue in closing the park, i.e., money hemorrage, no good personnel or whatever, why not let the storm blow the insured park to kingdom come, and never have to worry about moving anything. Next vehicle in would be a bulldozer pushing the debris from storm damage out of the way. Everybody wins but the coaster contingent. Ted Mike Filippone wrote: In case if anyone was planning to head there... according to Six Flags' site, SFAW (and the SF waterpark in the area) will be closed this weekend... the 24th and 25th... due to Hurricane Rita. The hurricane looks like it will hit a little south of Houston as a medium category 4. SFOT so far looks like it will stay open. What I'm wondering is if, worst case scenario... the park sustains a lot of damage... how long it would take for it to reopen, or if they would even bother. I doubt it would be too long because it looks pretty far back from the ocean and it won't be hit head on, but if everyone in the area has damage to their property, the money and time might be going to fixing that instead of visiting the park... so I dont think its too far out of possibility that SF might just keep it closed since theres only a couple weekends left. Mike Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be like created here: http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you would and would not like to see there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 24 08:22:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23480 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 15:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 15:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 15:22:40 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EJBrK-000869-N7 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <43356F44.8070906@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:22:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b58396550eeaf69e80d6c56387fdda9dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: Name of the new Magic Mountain's flying coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=OnORR7xCBa1GkHrDWVnKNb4YaHqfkCANChKTVKhU3150_8s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash bastienfred wrote: > Screamscape and the Roller Coaster Data Base report that "Tatsu - Fly > at the Speed of Fear" would be the name of the flying coaster which is > now under construction. Tatsu means "dragon" in Japanese. This is > more original than Goliath, Superman, Batman and other Six Flags' > typical names. > And it would aslo actually be in keeping with what's left of a "theme" up on the summit. That alone is almost shocking since it seems like they've ditched the idea of theming over the last several years. So this may actually turn out to be a really nice addition to the park. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 24 08:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86658 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EJBzI-0002lK-2E for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:30:52 -0400 Message-ID: <43357132.5030604@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:30:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20050924045821.95013.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050924045821.95013.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b891dd6cfbaf6723497f1ae4857053b20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tUzctjC5_sjwOzHE6Qx-incWnhTs1cSifGpJhf-7zctLGRs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ted Lemen wrote: > Hi. Koaster Kids: > > I'm new to the group and haven't been to the 6F park in Houston, and a > million questions come to my mind, and they'd all be answered if someone > could put together a synopisis in 40-50 words that says that they are > closing because: I don't think there is any one simple reasons why the park is closing, and I don't know that anyone really knows the specific reasons. But among the various theories and guesses that I've heard are: 1. Attendance is down again, and has been steadily declining over several years. Not sure if anyone can verify that one though. 2. An ongoing battle over parking lots being available from the Astrodome for the park. They've been closed off, reducing the available parking, and there have been all sorts of things happening with whoever is in charge of the stadium, the city, and Six Flags. This might be the final nail in the coffin, and I'm sure contributed to it. 3. Six Flags has neglected the park over the last several years. No new "major" attractions, and it consistently gets horrible reviews and feedback. 4. The park may be more valuable by selling off the land and various options with the rides. It is sitting on a piece of prime, high value real estate, and the company could get a nice price, more than likely, which would help them pay down their huge debts. 5. The people who run Six Flags are a bunch of idiots without a clue how to run parks, make money, etc. This is heard a lot and while likely true in some regards- at least in most people's minds, I don't know how much it really has to do with the park closing. And I'm sure there are other theories and reasons out there. > why not let the storm blow the insured park to > kingdom come, and never have to worry about moving anything. Next > vehicle in would be a bulldozer pushing the debris from storm damage out > of the way. Everybody wins but the coaster contingent. > That might work for SFNO when it finally comes out from under the water, but it won't work for SFAW since the storm missed Houston and from the looks of it any damage is likely to be light. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Sep 24 08:40:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9457 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 15:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 15:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 15:40:30 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AA39A8B for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050924045821.95013.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050924045821.95013.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FC7BBC0-B354-46DE-948F-B248BF5F03FC@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:40:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=PHWp6OCuBVrennRs1Q0d9v9iQit50mAsklJ-uVsNkx3onE2n X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Ted, Welcome to the list! I don't think anyone knows for sure the real reason why Six Flags wants to dump Astroworld. They publicly claim that it's because of the parking issues, and other problems with the city. There are many additional theories that are being spread throughout the coaster community .. most of them are likely rubbish, and no-one should really spend too much time thinking about them. For some reason, the coaster community seems to think it knows how to run parks and businesses better than people who've been doing it most of their adult lives! "Oh, I've played Roller-Coaster Tycoon every night since the game came out, I'd can fix Six Flags!!". Yeah, right.. Anyway some of these laughable "theories" range from Six Flags doing it intentionally to screw the people of Houston, all the way up to it being a ploy to scare away a hostile take-over (which sounds more reasonable - but no-one outside the boardroom has the information to make that call). Bottom line is that it's a shame to lose the park .. I've never been there, but it's a shame to lose any park. Cameron. On Sep 23, 2005, at 23:58, Ted Lemen wrote: > Hi. Koaster Kids: > > I'm new to the group and haven't been to the 6F park in Houston, > and a million questions come to my mind, and they'd all be answered > if someone could put together a synopisis in 40-50 words that says > that they are closing because: there aren't any customers, there > are gang fights or alcohol control problems, the rides are fun so > nobody shows up, they need the land for more refineries, etc. A > couple of good replies would make your frequent posts on this topic > far more insightful for me, too, and without having to good back > through lots and lots of posts. > > Next comment: if there is some specific, overriding customer > service or economic issue in closing the park, i.e., money > hemorrage, no good personnel or whatever, why not let the storm > blow the insured park to kingdom come, and never have to worry > about moving anything. Next vehicle in would be a bulldozer > pushing the debris from storm damage out of the way. Everybody wins > but the coaster contingent. > > Ted > > Mike Filippone wrote: > In case if anyone was planning to head there... according to Six > Flags' site, SFAW (and the SF waterpark in the area) will be closed > this weekend... the 24th and 25th... due to Hurricane Rita. The > hurricane looks like it will hit a little south of Houston as a > medium category 4. SFOT so far looks like it will stay open. > > What I'm wondering is if, worst case scenario... the park sustains a > lot of damage... how long it would take for it to reopen, or if they > would even bother. I doubt it would be too long because it looks > pretty far back from the ocean and it won't be hit head on, but if > everyone in the area has damage to their property, the money and time > might be going to fixing that instead of visiting the park... so I > dont think its too far out of possibility that SF might just keep it > closed since theres only a couple weekends left. > > Mike > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group > would be like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you > would and would not like to see there. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Roller coaster Theme park > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From hi_jeanx@yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 09:02:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: hi_jeanx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5637 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.250) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 16:02:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 39747 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2005 16:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20050924160241.39745.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.37.133] by web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:02:41 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43357132.5030604@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ted Lemen Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229592221; y=831b8qu3xen7NeUxYFSFh_R1TSiVtD4Vz8iFAbZ26YWtIik X-Yahoo-Profile: hi_jeanx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the concise write-up on SFAW's upcoming closing. Good thing the folks in El Paso will only have their park moved 17 miles away instead of ripped out of the ground forever. Ted george burnash wrote: Ted Lemen wrote: > Hi. Koaster Kids: > > I'm new to the group and haven't been to the 6F park in Houston, and a > million questions come to my mind, and they'd all be answered if someone > could put together a synopisis in 40-50 words that says that they are > closing because: I don't think there is any one simple reasons why the park is closing, and I don't know that anyone really knows the specific reasons. But among the various theories and guesses that I've heard are: 1. Attendance is down again, and has been steadily declining over several years. Not sure if anyone can verify that one though. 2. An ongoing battle over parking lots being available from the Astrodome for the park. They've been closed off, reducing the available parking, and there have been all sorts of things happening with whoever is in charge of the stadium, the city, and Six Flags. This might be the final nail in the coffin, and I'm sure contributed to it. 3. Six Flags has neglected the park over the last several years. No new "major" attractions, and it consistently gets horrible reviews and feedback. 4. The park may be more valuable by selling off the land and various options with the rides. It is sitting on a piece of prime, high value real estate, and the company could get a nice price, more than likely, which would help them pay down their huge debts. 5. The people who run Six Flags are a bunch of idiots without a clue how to run parks, make money, etc. This is heard a lot and while likely true in some regards- at least in most people's minds, I don't know how much it really has to do with the park closing. And I'm sure there are other theories and reasons out there. > why not let the storm blow the insured park to > kingdom come, and never have to worry about moving anything. Next > vehicle in would be a bulldozer pushing the debris from storm damage out > of the way. Everybody wins but the coaster contingent. > That might work for SFNO when it finally comes out from under the water, but it won't work for SFAW since the storm missed Houston and from the looks of it any damage is likely to be light. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group would be like created here: http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi Take a look and see what you think. 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 24 11:04:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74264 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 18:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 18:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 18:04:09 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8OI46b6001210 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ea01c5c132$62908090$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <43356F44.8070906@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: Name of the new Magic Mountain's flying coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=noaue1yQtVyB-Z0v8DaoaR1dj-4dFZ4vKsu68QyaPe7HYYDUYAwZc1sZpw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Screamscape and the Roller Coaster Data Base report that "Tatsu - Fly >> at the Speed of Fear" would be the name of the flying coaster which is >> now under construction. Tatsu means "dragon" in Japanese. This is >> more original than Goliath, Superman, Batman and other Six Flags' >> typical names. >> > > And it would aslo actually be in keeping with what's left of a "theme" > up on the summit. That alone is almost shocking since it seems like > they've ditched the idea of theming over the last several years. So > this may actually turn out to be a really nice addition to the park. That's one of the things that confused me over the years about SFMM. For one year they would go out of their way to add themeing to not only a new ride but retheme a whole area as they did with the Gotham City area around Batman or the whole Pirates Cove area all around where they put in the entrance to Goliath (the Fort Le John theme around the bathroom, the pirate Jolly Rodger theme they put on the Tilt-A-Whirl, the ship laying on it's side to serve as the entrance to the Buccanneer swing ship and the swings next door) and even the basic work they did for Riddler's Revenge, Viper or even the queues for Goliath and Superman. But then they'll turn around the next year and install something with no theming what-so-ever like Scream, X or Deja Vu in the current times under the old Premier Parks leadship, and it was done in the past for rides like Psyclone, Freefall, Flashback, Tidal Wave, and so on under the old Warner Bros. ownership. It's like the park has a split personality where every couple of years they want to be a THEME PARK and go out of their way to make things look nice, then they get in a funk and just strip things down to basic elements and go for the Amusement Park look. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 24 11:22:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32185 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 18:22:55 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8OIMrah018916 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021001c5c135$02325e50$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20050924160241.39745.qmail@web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFAW Closed This Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=efCY4MoBIwGmURYx0wYQqbqCYwBOENU0Zdhly099Lipg9UEi5-Q7alvNAw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Thanks for the concise write-up on SFAW's upcoming closing. Good thing > the folks in El Paso will only have their park moved 17 miles away instead > of ripped out of the ground forever. I've got to feel bad for the people of Houston over the closure of the park too... I enjoyed the day I spent at SFAW back in 1998, before Premier Parks took over the company, and with the questionable state that SF New Orleans is in (not to mention it looks like one of the duller parks I've ever seen with only a few major attractions) that leaves the people of Houston with only Fiesta Texas 3 hours away and SFOT 4 hours away as their only local parks. Puts a nasty little kink in any future attempts to repeat what I like to call the Texas Triangle... the trip I took back in 1998. A buddy and I flew into San Antonio, hit SFFT, drove to Houston that night, hit SFAW in the daytime on Day 2, left and drove 4 hours to Dallas and spent the day. Day 3 was spent at SFOT with a 3 hour drive down to Austin to spent the night at his parents house. Day 4 we drove south to spend half a day at Schlitterbahn, pull back into San Antonio with a few hours to kill, hit SeaWorld for a couple of hours (enough time to ride the coasters, log ride, see the penguins, sharks and so on) then back to the airport for our late departing flight home. 4 Days... All 3 Texas Six Flags Parks, Schlitterbahn and SeaWorld Texas, a cheap SouthWest airlines ticket that was under $100 roundtrip, 2 nights in hotels, 1 night bumming at his folks new house and a couple of nights out at questionable bars all made up the Texas Triangle tour. I always figured that I might try it again someday in the future with the wife and kids this time, minus the bars, but with SFAW gone it kind of takes a big bite out of my triangle. From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Sep 24 15:07:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88203 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 22:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 22:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 22:07:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:09:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200509241509.AA3873702022@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=pH6CIrrEukl4s4nLOXap4inup__1RlMrjnNpLo8jQv6VQTPAlR9O X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Moreover, according to Screamscape, the Scooby's Ghoster Coaster would be= removed to clear some room for this new children area. < That, IMO, would be a colossal mistake. Why remove a reliable and popular = wooden coaster to install a new un-tested one? Scooby is a terrific ride, = one of the best "kid's" wooden coasters ever built. I could see re-theming= it to a Nick character. But it would be a loss not only to coaster enthus= iasts but to PKI guests if it were to be removed. Okay...let's see if I can guess what these rides are: >Thrill-seeking families take a whirlwind ride with Avatar on this=20 >first-of-its kind family roller coaster < I'm not sure. "First-of-a-kind" could mean the way it's themed. "Whirlwin= d" might be a clue. >Kids can enjoy a free-fall ride in the hopes to escape the menacing=20 >wrath of Plankton, SpongeBob SquarePants' nemesis < Sounds like a themed drop tower. >Families fly with Danny Phantom as they spin through the air like a=20 >superhero < Sounds like a standard swing ride. >All aboard Azul=99 the train! =96 Passengers join Dora the Explorer and=20 >Boots=99 on a storybook train ride adventure < A train, obviously... >Kids join Blue for a jumping journey around her house < Either a bounce castle or a themed EuroBungee. >Guests enter the adventures of Bikini Bottom through a pineapple=20 >under the sea to experience SpongeBob SquarePants' underwater world. < This sounds like a re-tooling of Yogi's cave at PKD. I'm not sure I care for the Nick theming. The current Hanna-Barbera themin= g is more fun and more universally appealing, IMO. But Paramount's in busi= ness to promote its product line. I guess this was inevitable. I'll sure = miss Scooby Doo, though. It was the only coaster I've ever lost a hat on. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Sat Sep 24 15:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38715 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 22:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2005 22:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 22:19:42 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8OMJfuC018130 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.3.244.129 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60030.24.3.244.129.1127600381.squirrel@24.3.244.129> In-Reply-To: <200509241509.AA3873702022@karenandjay.com> References: <200509241509.AA3873702022@karenandjay.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=H8WzfsVmB4wvYZK3bHb6DP6fCi9Ejh5QblL1X1VD-2FQ60s X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > That, IMO, would be a colossal mistake. Why remove a reliable and popular > wooden coaster to install a new un-tested one? Scooby is a terrific ride, > one of the best "kid's" wooden coasters ever built. I could see > re-theming it to a Nick character. But it would be a loss not only to > coaster enthusiasts but to PKI guests if it were to be removed. Except we're talking PKI, not PKD or Carowinds. At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster is a single rail suspended. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 25 01:33:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64625 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 08:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 08:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 08:33:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 08:33:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 08:33:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2005 08:33:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:33:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.109 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Kamine Koen and Hitachi Kaihin Koen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WRSOoMP1Nw3gSMfuJDLEwwC9cMm9w3eGXiFhJkYsWKbgUcrsDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Who: Me, Mayumi, Mamoru, and Mieko (Wife and In-laws!) What: TR for Kamine Koen and Hitachi Kaihin Koen When: Saturday, 24 Sept. 2005 Where: Hitachi, (city) Ibaraki, (Prefecture) Japan Why: Because my in-laws felt I wasn't enjoying myself at their house. We left Yamato village at about 9AM, and headed east to the small city of Hitachi. There are two small parks there, one just outside the city center, another near the southern city line, on the beach. We went to Kamine park first, but due to the passing typhoon, the coasters weren't operating. The nice folks running the park were nice enough to let me in to take photos for free. This small hillside park is inside a larger city park (slightly reminiscent of Balboa Park) with a wedding chapel on one side, and a museum of music on the other. The entrance is near the left edge of the park, as you face downhill, and the rides run to the right, along the same line of elevation. See-Through Jet Coaster, how's that for a weird translation, is immediately in front of the entrance. Although I couldn't ride it, it definitely seemed like an interesting experience. The station was elevated about 20-30 feet, and the lift added about 40 more feet of height. The first drop was curving and resulted in a 540 helix, diving out and along the back side of the station for Dragon, the park's other coaster. After that the track rises high, to allow the return run to cross under. This leads into a large inclined 540 helix, before rising up into the pre-station brakes. The six-car rainbow train looked very new, and if it's as fast as it looks there should be two spots of air, one at the crossover, the other up into the brake run. Almost the entire layout is below station level, with the exception of the lift and the single crossover. I'm sending photos of all the coasters from this trip to Duane at RCDB if anyone is interested. Dragon surprised me for not being a go-gator! This powered coaster had a larger layout, and also spent most of it's track time below station height, with two oddly shaped helixes comprising most of the layout. The rest of the park consisted of a small ferris wheel, a merry-go- round, a swinging ship named Fire Bird, a pedal powered monorail, and a few other small flats. There was a flying carpet, but it was disassembled. Entry to the park would have been 450 yen, and rides were (comparatively) cheap at 200-300 per ride. I am looking forward to returning to this park to check out the larger coaster. Next we drove about 30 minutes south to Hitachi Seaside Park. (kaihin = seaside, koen=park) This is actually a large park complex with numerous gardens, beach, bicycle paths, BMX tracks, etc. Pleasure Garden is where the rides are, and we parked just outside the entrance. Entry was 600 yen, and rides were 300-600 yen. After buying some tickets, (1000 yen for 11) I boarded Mad Mouse. These are quite possibly the coolest looking cars, ever. Too bad I was nearly blinded by the *&$*&^$ seatbelt when it got caught, and as it freed, struck me in the eye. OUCH! Sadly the layout was boring, being entirely too slow to be interesting. Two switchbacks across the top, and a lot of nearly level track. Sigh. After snapping some pics of the cars, station, and cool rotating transfer track, I crossed to the far end of the park for "Through the woods jet coaster." The theme for this coaster is green, with trees. The station is green and the track is green, and you can't see most of the track for all the trees in and around the layout. The train is red, and looks a lot like Red Falcon, another Senyo Kogo creation. (This whole park seemed to be all Senyo Kogo rides.) The transitions were smooth, although the coaster wasn't particularly fast. The layout was like a giant version of a small go-gator: one large oval, with a single 360 helix along the back straight. The view from the lift was cool, with a diving turn for the second drop. There was a neat head chopper effect from some trees near the end of the ride. The neatest thing about the ride, however, was there was no pre-station brake. Instead the brake run begins about ten feet before the station, and you fly into the station, stopping right on the mark. After this, I hit the ~75 meter wheel for some more pics, but the rain and wind picked up, so they are a little blurry. I wandered the grounds for a little while the rest of the troop, who took the tram ride, not knowing it was over an hour around the whole complex. There were two cycle monorails, a small guage railroad, two dark rides, (one shooting) a very small flume, an Ice House, a super swing, and two very long tracked car rides and a few others. For the most part, all of the rides looked like portables, but removed from the trailers, and made permanent. Strangely though, they used enough bushes and flowers to make everything look very nice. The whole rides portion of the park was about the same size as CP's midway, but this one was nicer looking. There wasn't a speck of asphalt, the paths were wide and layed out in very attractive stones and cobbles. There was a large rose garden near the train ride. There were also several "spray ground" areas that probably get a lot of use in the summer. The coolest thing in the park was a large orange climbing structure. This thing was huge! It was at least 150 yards long, 2-5 stories tall, and had a million things to do. There was one of those squishy climbing cones, slides everywhere, and the whole thing looked kind of like 6FGrAdv's Viper, with hundreds of orange rings providing the structure for the whole thing. Mayumi ended up having to call my cell phone to get me out of it! (Too bad it's fall, and there were a hundred giant spiders in it!) Even though the coasters were lackluster, I really enjoyed this park, mostly just because it looked so nice. The nice folks operating the park even threw in a free ride on one of the dark rides, just because it was raining! Chris B I think it's going to be Singapore in November before I get on another coaster! From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Sep 25 11:27:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37866 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2005 18:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2005 18:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2005 18:27:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:29:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200509251129.AA536215884@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=QMQOvA9DqknJyGjJEa9Z2umMmA5SNo5Jz-Ow9hfn8MJ2NG_2WUjA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster is a single rail suspended. < DOH! You're right Greg. I goofed again. I did lose my hat on Beastie, not Scooby Doo. So that Ghoster Coaster isn't a great loss after all. I never rode it; the queue time looked unbearable for what little ride there was. It reminded me of the little plastic toy coaster kits. The track basically made a figure 8 and then stopped, didn't it? And I was always so afraid that something would go wrong with that elevator lift system while the train engaged the track. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Sep 25 18:40:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44934 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 01:40:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:42:50 -0700 Message-Id: <200509251842.AA402915630@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Kosta" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: The Big E, 9-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=YMkHh8-buQAAsf8RKuNmEn3VvcFeCtvnQTXI02TeJ1JmAZS_nRRs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I made our annual pilgrimage to the Eastern States Exposition in West Springfield, MA, on Saturday. This giant New England agricultural fair has been running for over three-quarters of a century. Though agriculture is still present, it has faded from importance. There are still many smaller local fairs (like Northampton's Three County Fair) that still proudly display their old-time agricultural tradition. But the Big E (as locals know it) has evolved and changed into something more of a giant bazaar. The weather was perfect: sunny and in the 70s. The fair was charging $10 to park near the grounds. We opted for the nearby Agawam Police Station which was charging half that price. We walked across the bridge spanning the Westfield River, which separates Agawam and West Springfield. Traffic over the bridge was already starting to back up, and it was only 9:30 in the morning. This was the second weekend of the fair's two-and-a-half week run. The first weekend was pretty much a washout, but the rest of the time had seen decent weather. We walked over to Gate 1 and handed our discount tickets that I had purchased from work. We walked past the three big Mardi Gras floats being stored under a tent on the left. To our right was the Avenue of the States. This was something unique to the Big E. All of the six New England states participated, and each had their own building to show off their wares. When I was a kid, each building had a huge centerpiece that highlighted something special about the state. The Massachusetts building once had a giant fishing pond and a waterfall, and you could actually catch fish there. There were also dozens of free samples, from Vermont's maple candy to Rhode Island cod cakes. But gradually, the buildings changed from such displays (which became increasingly expensive) to simply renting out floor space to companies who wanted to peddle their goods there. Although the grounds opened at eight in the morning, nothing else really got underway until ten. So Karen and I strolled down the Avenue of the States. We passed by what used to be the Hanneford circus tent. It was now a magic act (for an extra charge). We pushed our way past a densely packed and lengthy queue line that stretched over to a Foxwoods Casino tent. Then we took a detour to the left into the Circus Museum. It's been a staple at the Big E for as long as I can remember. It was a non-descript brick building. Inside, occupying a whole room, was a miniature circus inside a huge glass case. All along the walls on glass-encased shelves were recreations of various circus company coaches, horses and performers through history. Against one wall was a miniature sideshow display, with beautifully illustrated banners. In an adjacent room was a video of a trapeze performer on the old Ed Sullivan show. The performer's costumes hung next to it. There were also large cases featuring scenes of circuses loading their equipment onto rail cars and of employees enjoying a meal under a large tent. One of the men who created many of the scene was there, sitting at a small table and making circus wagons from scratch. Karen and I complimented him on his work and chatted for a while. Then we continued down the Avenue of the States to the final building along the stretch, Rhode Island. I figured that since everyone seemed to be lining up at the first building (New Hampshire), we'd beat the crowds by starting at the last building and working our way back. But I was wrong. We ended up like salmon trying to swim upstream as the crowds of people headed right into us. On the way we paused to listen to the National Anthem played by a band under a tent in front of the Connecticut building, signaling the official start of the day. Rhode Island had its usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. We walked through the small building and next walked into the Massachusetts building. There were the usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. From there we headed for the Maine building with its famous baked potato line. I've never understood why baked potatoes were always so popular. To me they always tasted like...well...baked potatoes. But the booth had its own queue line that snaked around outside the side of the building, even that early in the morning. We took a trip through Maine, glancing at the usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. Karen spotted a booth selling fresh lobster rolls for $8 each. She got one and said it was delicious. The oncoming crowd thickened, and we were finding it harder to make our backwards progress. The Vermont building was filled with the small of maple syrup. There were the usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. We stopped at one booth that was selling apple custard for $2.50 a slice. Karen and I split one slice. The whipped cream on it tasted just like Cool Whip. The custard itself was thick, more like a cake. It was okay, but not spectacular. The next building was Connecticut, with its big clock tower. Outside the entrance was the tent with the American Legion band entertaining a small crowd. The Governor, Jodi Rell, stood near the entrance behind a table greeting guests. We merged with the crowds of people, shoulder to shoulder, and began our counter-clockwise trek through the building. There were the usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. I went over to a booth selling hot spiced cider for $3. Karen got a cup of cold cider and a cider donut. We walked out of the building, sat on a bench and listened to the band. The cider certainly was hot. I wished it had been more spicy. But it was good just the same. And that cider donut was quite good too. The last stop on our journey through the states was the New Hampshire building. There were the usual assortment of vendors selling pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food. We edged our way out of the building and back onto the Avenue of the States. We decided to head clockwise from there around the fair. A long stretch of asphalt ran between every kind of vendor imaginable, from hand-rolled pretzels to western clothing to agricultural freak shows (a unicorn cow and the world's largest pig). To our right was an archway with "Craft Commons" above it. We wandered in that direction, into the Storrowtown Village section, a recreation of an early 1800s New England village with period buildings that had been saved from demolition and faithfully reconstructed. For the fair, the whole area was transformed into a gigantic craft fair / flea market. There were a few stores that were there every years, like the ubiquitous Christmas Shop, and dozens of other smaller vendors lining the walkways. Karen spotted an absolutely stunning mirror in a handcrafted wood frame. The frame was decoupage, inlaid with all sorts of musical instruments delicately hand-carved out of various types of wood. The price on it was $989. We passed, but I took the guy's card in case we hit the lottery. There were also lots of educational exhibits in Storrowtown, in much the style of Mystic Seaport. Various costumed characters went about their duties as blacksmith, schoolteacher, housewife, etc. To me, that was the most interesting part of Storrowtown and one of the best parts of the fair. We walked through some of the buildings and eventually made our way back onto the pavement where we left off. Karen spotted a tent with oak furniture in it, so we walked over to it. What caught my eye was a print hanging on the wall. There were dozens of tin pressings of various old scenes. One had a shiny red sports car sitting in front of an old roller coaster turnaround. I made a mental note to get it before we left for the day. A little further down was the Commeford Petting Zoo. We walked through it, gazing at the camel, kangaroo, lemurs, donkeys and parrots. Next door a weary looking elephant was giving a ride to some children. We left the zoo without petting anything and headed across the asphalt to the giant Stinson band organ. It was an impressive sight, about ten feet wide and six feet high, housed in a big steel trailer. It was gaily playing The Skater's Waltz. Various images of New England were painted on the scenery panels. There were several cherubs and carved figures clanging bells. A George-Washington-like conductor stood in the center with a baton that waved. A sign on the side proclaimed how the Big E had expressly commissioned the organ from the Stinson company in 2002. Instead of paper rolls, the music was triggered by MIDI commands from a CD. There was a small child staring at the organ and clapping his hands until his parents finally dragged him away. We then walked across the grounds toward the massive Better Living Center, a building occupying a couple acres. It was often used for conventions during the fair's lengthy off-season. During the fair it housed what amounted to a live Home Shopping Network. There was row after row after row of vendors hawking everything from mops to log cabins. Many of the booths featured fast-talking pitchmen and women trying to convince their small but rapt audience that life was incomplete without purchasing the product. Karen and I were interested in home improvement, and we found a local remodeling contractor to talk with. There were booths with expensive grandfather clocks, electronic organs, bejeweled purses and aggressive orientals trying to rope guests into getting massages. One woman stepped right into my path and put out her hand as if to shake mine and said forcefully, "You want massage?" It sounded more like a command. I politely declined. We exited that building and walked over to the far back corner of the fair where stood the largest building, the Mallory Complex, housing the livestock exhibits, prize winning Christmas trees and the annual butter sculpture. This year the artist created a huge bull riding a Harley. Yep -- all out of butter, enclosed in a glass-walled refrigerator. As we entered the building we were greeted by the animatronic display featuring various dairy products singing songs about milk and cheese. There were row after row of sheep, cows, bulls, goats -- corralled up in tiny pens. Many of the animals were being groomed by their owners. After leaving that building, we headed across to the Young Building, which housed various agricultural exhibits. We then walked past the food court. It was past noon and I was hungry. There was a Pizzeria Uno stand, so I got a veggie pizza. We sat and rested for w while, and then strolled over to the Magic Midway. Conklin Shows was back once again for their big northeast event. This year the fair did a great job of hiding all the power and water cables (which in years past were spread all over the midway). There were the usual assortment of rides: walk-thru and ride-thru fun houses, dozens of standard flat rides, a portable flume (not operating at the time) and a stock Zyklon coaster called Mach I. One of the games, a typical water gun concession, was themed to Sonic the Hedgehog and gave t-shirts as prizes. Even if kids were still into Sonic, I can't see them getting too excited about winning a t-shirt. Karen and I watched a group ride the Larson Ring of Fire, a sort of continuous-loop roller coaster. The midway featured two mirror mazes with revolving barrels, one themed to Mardi Gras and the other to hillbillies. The midway ended and we were standing next to the new Comcast Arena. In the past, most acts at the Big E played on the stage next to the Coliseum building (where the horse shows were). But the concerts proved so popular, there weren't enough seats available there. So a big amphitheater was built, and it was fenced off from the rest of the grounds. Karen wanted to find the water fountain displays, so we headed for the New England building. That place featured a mish-mash of exhibits. There were backyard gardens for the blind (actually a fascinating set of exhibits), a chick hatchery, a 4-H Club stage and the fountain displays. There were only two set up this year, neither of them as elaborate as in past years. There was also the much-hyped Big E Cream Puff stand, pirated from the Wisconsin State Fair. We tried them a couple years ago and weren't impressed. Wisconsin knows how to do them right. Maybe the Big E should stick with baked potatoes. The crowds were getting even denser, and we were tiring of the claustrophobia. So we made our annual pilgrimage to the back of the New Hampshire building for the best kettle corn we've ever had. A woman there was handing out samples from a plastic lemonade pitcher. "Watch out. It's hot," she said as she poured a heap into Karen's cupped hands. Karen immediately dropped the entire serving to the ground. It was so hot it nearly burned her skin. But we got an extra large bag for $6 and took it with us. We headed back over to the booth that was selling the roller coaster picture (for $12). Then after about five hours we called it a day. I was glad that in this era of Six Flags and Cedar Fair there's still room for good old fashioned state fairs. The Western Massachusetts area alone has not only the Big E and 3 County Fair, but the Blandford Fair, the Barrington Fair, the Westfield Fair and the Greenfield Fair. They all fall at about the same time, and yet they all do reasonably well. I'm glad there's still a demand for simpler entertainments. The Big E has become sort of a county fair on steroids. It's bigger, gaudier and more commercial than the other fairs. But maybe that's what keeps people coming back. It's still a pleasant yearly diversion. I hope we're still around to attend its 100th anniversary. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 08:16:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92950 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 15:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 15:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 15:16:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 15:14:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 15:14:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:14:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.36.239 From: "Matt" Subject: Park souveniers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=8dD-bSvNhtp9rT1lgBFEwcw19r-68_XrCMQkxF7gscGlsFXGA-ouqEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Does anyone collect park or rollercoaster shotglasses? Just curious I have a few that I don't really want and would be willing to trade or something if someone would want them. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 08:57:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96613 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 15:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 15:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 15:57:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 15:51:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 15:51:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:51:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200509251129.AA536215884@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.254 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=WF3vsswT6jIdT5DU4ft6aNGGV72hZ8mbK1ofbe43Gd81tgKxlMEb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > > At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster is a single rail suspended. < > > The track basically made a figure 8 and then stopped, didn't it? > And I was always so afraid that something would go wrong with that > elevator lift system while the train engaged the track. Legoland California briefly had one of these, called the Spellbreaker. The make/model is the Caripro Batflyer. The concept of the single-rail suspended is a promising one, but the ride is just too short and the through-put so slow, with just single cars going on each of the twin rails. I remember getting in line thinking it looked like a 15 or 20- minute line and having it end up taking 45 minutes. I'd like to go on something similar with a multi-car train and a bit longer of a layout. Neat idea, but I'd go back to the drawing board on it. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Sep 26 09:19:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27361 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 16:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 16:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 16:19:28 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j8QGIT67013793 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:18:31 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:18:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2CEB8A23-54E6-4E0A-8645-287175D08DB7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:18:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 16:18:29.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE5BF440:01C5C2B5] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Park souveniers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=tkvLewFh64EuU7EkutesjUAHHewJh39KNXcwNaP_9U-kBxrv X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HI Matt, The only thing I collect, really, are fridge magnets .. and "collect" is probably far too strong a term, since I only have about 4 or 5 of them total. Cameron. On Sep 26, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Matt wrote: > Does anyone collect park or rollercoaster shotglasses? Just curious I > have a few that I don't really want and would be willing to trade or > something if someone would want them. > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your > home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group > would be like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you > would and would not like to see there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Beware of * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Unvisible Zed! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 12:31:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63442 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:31:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:29:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:29:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200509251842.AA402915630@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E, 9-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0kFnk6VVCnAY-1FQbQ7hdK0X-clM6Mq5bELYm1ONXv6tcao X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay- Now, we know about the food, but did get any "pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food". ;) -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 12:38:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11383 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:38:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:37:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:37:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:37:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: ThrillNetwork launches new version of Ride & Park Database X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lOUBrJnthu1wvmW1kv5Y-J5zwf4iNsybNlPy9f-1J5Z35_o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 26th, 2005 Press Release - ThrillNetwork http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/1217 New York, NY -- After months of planning, development, and testing,=20 ThrillNetwork announced today that it has released the new version of=20 its Ride & Park Database with new features unique to the section=20 while incorporating a more enhanced user experience. While keeping most of its look and feel that has graced it since=20 December of 2003, it has been updated for easier viewing and to=20 incorporate a slightly cleaner look. In addition, the database=20 incorporates several new features. Some of the new features include: *New, easier-to-remember location (http://database.thrillnetwork.com/) *Conversion between English and Metric units and the ability to save=20 the default unit measure in a member's control panel *Enhanced search features, including basic and advanced search options *An easier way to rate your favorite rides and parks *Timelines for each park *Random trivia on the database front page *Random photos on the park and ride pages, along with the home page=20 (coming soon) *Database photos now include statistics, including the author and=20 other information *Enhanced park and ride counts, including the ability to track the=20 number of visits to each ride or park, and new user statistics based=20 on that information *and more! "I'm excited for the new, more powerful upgrades," said Bryan Wood,=20 Senior Database Editor for TN. "It will help as we continue the task=20 of adding non-coaster rides to our database." James Nocito, Database Editor, said: "It looks really nice. It's a=20 big improvement from the old database=85 it also has more member=20 interaction, and the search works so much better now as the way the=20 rides are listed have improved." The enhancements to the database were done entirely by our staff=20 technical administrator Graham Kelly, with assistance from Steven=20 Heicher (consulting) and Jerry Huster (graphics). To visit the new park and ride database, visit=20 http://database.thrillnetwork.com, or you can check it out by going=20 to our site at http://www.thrillnetwork.com/ and clicking on "Ride=20 and Park DB" in our site navigation. If you are interested in contributing to our ongoing project to add=20 non-coaster rides, please contact us through our contact form at=20 http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/sendmessage.php, or if you are a=20 TN member, you can submit new rides and parks from our homepage. ------------ =A9 2001-2005 ThrillNetwork, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 12:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25162 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:44:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:42:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:42:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: One last ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vrwDvHkJDDFUz0PJ799nfc_gGLQfkHuWq-jy9TLwYaQk4Co X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 26, 2005=20=20 El Paso Times http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050926/NEWS/509260357/1001 by Michael D. Hernandez El Paso, TX -- Breathless and drenched, Carissa Muniz, 15, allowed=20 panic to propel her from ride to ride Sunday evening at Western=20 Playland, where 45 years of sprawling amusement in Central El Paso=20 was nearing its end. "We decided to come since they were closing=20 today," the Riverside High School sophomore said minutes after being=20 soaked by the park's Tsunami water ride. "I think we're headed to the=20 Pharaoh's Fury now." Throughout Sunday, El Pasoans flocked to the collection of rides in=20 the heart of Ascarate Park before WP closed its doors for the season.=20 WP owner Pat Thomson plans to move the operation to a 60-acre site in=20 Sunland Park next year, and about 3,000 people spent a final time at=20 the amusement park, where crushes were born, appetites were lost and=20 memories still linger. WP is expected to open with about 25 rides in the summer of 2006 at=20 its new location but will keep a few small rides and its go-carts at=20 Ascarate Park to honor a contract with the county that doesn't expire=20 until 2014. For Lower Valley resident Robert Correa, Sunday's visit to WP was=20 both an obligation to his children and a step into the past. "I=20 promised all summer to take my kids to WP, and so in order to fulfill=20 my role as an excellent father, we're here," he said as his family=20 and friends roared with laughter. "But we had to come a little late -=20 after the Cowboys game - that was part of the deal." Correa said he will miss the place he yearned for as a child, took=20 dates to as a teenager and visited as a parent. "This place is like a=20 monument for El Paso," Correa said, adding that his favorite rides=20 had been the roller coasters Crazy Mouse and El Bandido. But WP staff said they are excited about its new location across from=20 Sunland Park Racetrack & Casino. "We're not going away; we're just=20 moving," said James Tidwell, WP's marketing director. "We're going to=20 be bigger and better, with more room to expand." ------------- =A9 2005 El Paso Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 12:52:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30309 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:52:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 19:51:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:51:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Oregon Wine Enters Magic Kingdom in China X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Qq7bDC12CXR3en_z17NtvECEe0aF-UXBxblmKdWsjUtLkpE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 26, 2005 The Associated Press Yahoo! Financial http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050926/farm_scene.html?.v=3D2 By Rukmini Callimachi, Associated Press Writer=20=20 PORTLAND, OR. -- Oregon wine has won the keys to the Magic Kingdom --=20 in the People's Republic of China. When the new Disney theme park opened in Hong Kong last week, Oregon=20 wine was featured on the exclusive wine list. The deal helps put=20 Oregon wine "on the Asia map," said Brian Liu, international trade=20 manager with the Oregon Department of Agriculture. In January Oregon sent its first wine to China, shipping 1,250 cases=20 of the state's signature pinot noir to the world's most populous=20 nation. It's a difficult market to penetrate because unlike in neighboring=20 Japan - where red wine sales recently overtook sake sales in Tokyo -=20 wine is still an oddity in mainland China, sold mostly in 5-star=20 hotels and high-end restaurants. If Oregon winemakers succeed in tapping into the Chinese market, it=20 could spell huge gains, say industry experts. Overall wine sales in=20 China are between $7 billion and $10 billion, according to the U.S.=20 Foreign Agricultural Service. "If we can share just 1/10th of 1% of=20 that wine total, that's $10 million for Oregon," said Liu. And while Disneyland might seem a strange venue to be hawking a $75=20 bottle of wine, the happiest place on Earth has been working hard to=20 lure higher-end customers. "All of our resorts now have top=20 restaurants," said Lisa Haines, a VP in Disney's parks & resorts=20 division. She offers as an example the Napa Rose at the original DL=20 park in Anaheim, Ca., which several years ago was named the top-rated=20 restaurant in the area by the Zagat dining guide. HK is no different, Haines said. The Disney resort, which opened earlier this month with a parade of=20 skipping Disney characters, features 2 luxury hotels and several high- end restaurants, catering to China's increasingly wealthy tourists as=20 well as HK's Westernized elite. Doyle Hinman, the sales manager of Henry Estates in Umpqua, Or.,=20 whose wine was chosen for the list, said he expected to find "hot=20 dogs and lemonade" at the theme park. Instead, he was "blown away" by=20 the quality of the food and wine at the resort's 2 plush hotels, he=20 said. While the taste of Oregon featured on the theme park's wine list is a=20 positive step, it's also just a toehold into the larger China=20 market. "It begs the question, how much is this going to mean for=20 Oregon? How much wine will we sell? The fact is, we don't know," said=20 Hinman. In mainland China, it's been a tough sell. Of the 1,250 cases of Oregon wine that were shipped this January,=20 around 400 are still on the shelf, said Hinman, who is also the China=20 market head for the Oregon Wine Board. Winemakers in Oregon had hoped=20 their wine would sell on the order of 1,000 cases per month, he said. U.S. wine exports to China have increased fivefold from $1.5 million=20 in 1999 to $5.4 million last year. Another sign of a ripening market=20 is the fact that traditional rice wine - long a Chinese staple - has=20 been declining at the rate of 10% per year, according to data=20 collected by the USDA from 1997 to 2002. In the same period, red and white wine consumption has grown at a 13%=20 clip every year. And there are now more than 500 wineries in China when there were=20 practically none 30 years ago. "When will they order the next batch?"=20 asked Hinman. "We're all waiting with bated breath to figure out=20 where this will go. It could not work out. But at least we're on the=20 playing field." ---------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc =A9 2005 The Associated Press From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Sep 26 16:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90021 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 23:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 23:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 23:08:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 23:08:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2005 23:08:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:08:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.214.169.38 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=DPiLpX_UY8q6Vg1_Nrec1To5eJuVtTLXm9E-pXlnXhpXsxFbu71LeYU X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Was at thorpe park today and had the privilege of watching them lift the top hat section of the new coaster into place! A very cool sighting indeed! http://www.thorpepark.co.uk/explore/2006/photo_diary_September_top_hat.asp has pics! Also did colossus, nemesis inferno, no way out - and rush and slammer! From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Sep 26 16:09:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17702 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EK26F-0006HR-8z for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <43387FAB.9050704@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:09:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b41341628532e9cb6c008cdcde82a1c9e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=d3lxivHUkGuhO1OgOR-QasJyiDIGwGn6W0zXVWLFqzdf80I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > wrote: > > > At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster > is a single rail suspended. < > > > > The track basically made a figure 8 and then stopped, didn't it? > > And I was always so afraid that something would go wrong with that > > elevator lift system while the train engaged the track. > > Legoland California briefly had one of these, called the Spellbreaker. > The make/model is the Caripro Batflyer. The concept of the single-rail > suspended is a promising one, but the ride is just too short and the > through-put so slow, with just single cars going on each of the twin > rails. I remember getting in line thinking it looked like a 15 or 20- > minute line and having it end up taking 45 minutes. I'd like to go on > something similar with a multi-car train and a bit longer of a layout. > Neat idea, but I'd go back to the drawing board on it. Pteradon Flyers at IOA is also one of these. I think it can only have 3 cars on the track at any point, which means a total of 6 people can be on it at any given point. Talk about terrible capacity. After the first hour the park is open it often has an hour or more wait. I think it may be problems like those that led to the company's downfall. It looks great though modeled at Pteradons flying through the sky in Jurassic Park. But the rumor mills have it potentially disappearing in the next year or two. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Sep 26 16:11:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74545 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 23:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 23:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 23:11:53 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EK28X-0007rp-GV for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4338803A.5030503@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:11:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <2CEB8A23-54E6-4E0A-8645-287175D08DB7@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <2CEB8A23-54E6-4E0A-8645-287175D08DB7@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0b129610d7a201a4db3821dbb1e9cd35d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Park souveniers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=q0mYfEBE6eJ_Z1uEE88RAlTFOBmMXAblAjkDJ0LoqYSPgzs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > HI Matt, > > The only thing I collect, really, are fridge magnets .. and "collect" > is probably far too strong a term, since I only have about 4 or 5 of > them total. I'm also a magnet collector, along with park maps and the souvenier cups. I wouldn't be surprised if I have over 100 magnets, and it's not unusual for me to buy all 3 on ebay when I find them. I do have one set of shot glasses that I bought at SFStL since they didn't have any park specific magnets. Only problem is the kids at one point thought they were "kid's glasses" and used one of them. Otherwise they're still in the box. keep on ridin' George > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 17:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69762 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 00:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 00:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 00:14:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 00:14:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 00:14:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:14:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43387FAB.9050704@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=A953qxOBVmfJu7_Xx1UsAqoMsPdvO1U5DU_4VzKeV_LzFk6FDWqg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani This applies to the single-rail suspendeds, but also to wild mouse-type coasters, but one thing I'd like to see more of are combination dark rides-roller coasters. Imagine, if you will, an enclosed Wild Mouse that instead of being in one giant room, sends you along the same track layout, but through narrow, themed corridors. For the single-rail suspendeds, imagine, say, Peter Pan's Flight, only more gravity- powered. Maybe with multiple lift hills. I think rides like this (Big Thunder Mountain RR would be like a bigger version of this idea) could be big hits with families. There are a few examples, but they're mostly at the big expensive theme parks... you could apply the concept at a smaller scale and appeal to a pretty wide range of riders. Adam From hi_jeanx@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 17:17:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: hi_jeanx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67926 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 00:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 00:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 00:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17753 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2005 00:17:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050927001750.17750.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.37.133] by web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:17:50 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:17:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ted Lemen Subject: Coasters: Front versus back and more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229592221; y=nXz-mr3wbuMV2gBqmKqjWCxE6SVX6T5hdQI4NbsfRJ3HpJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: hi_jeanx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: I've seen several descriptions of coasters and their attributes, and also comments on whether a particular ride is best front or back. May I weigh in on these issues together? The answer as to whether front or back is a better ride seems to be "yes". It depends on the your position in the train from front through middle to back. And, your personal preference. The front seat, it would seem, if the basic physics course I almost took and would probably have failed anyway is correct, gets everything first, i.e. curves, hills either up or down, lumps, bumps, etc. Since the entire train is going the same speed, all coupled together, the variety in ride occurs because different seats are in different places at maximum velocity. If this seems correct, and if you prefer to have your fillings rattled loose, relieve those neck cramps you've had for years, straighten crossed eyes or lose your hat, sit in the front couple seats. At the bottom you will be going into your first new hill or a hairpin curve at maximum velocity, and with the maximum amount of twisting and cracking of body parts. Unfortunately, if you sit in the front, you will be partially down the first hill before your car reaches an exciting speed. In fact, it feels a little like you are hanging-up on the hill, held back, even though the view before the drop is better with the added time. But, your vertical drop is decreased, so the feeling of weightlessness is reduced. If you sit in the back, and watch the front go over the hill first, you are already being dragged down the grade as you crest the top, so your weightless ride is better. But, half the train is in the curve or up the next hill before you get there, slowing you down, so your ride is less bangy and bruisy. Middle ground might dictate taking a ride in the center to enjoy both a slightly speedier drop and a little rougher turns. So, to say the ride is better "in the back" is right, as is claiming it's in the front that it's most enjoyable. My personal preference is back, finding the "falling" thrill more enjoyable that the added speed going into turns or hills (the only exception being "The Jack Rabbit" with a series of closely spaced dips that send front seat riders airborne on each). To assure a back seat ride, however, I will sometimes wait a few trips for it to empty just to get it. Also, ranking coasters by their physical attributes will find the back seat riders looking for the highest drop, with front seat riders wanting loops, curves and dips, right? I think wooden versus steel may hinge on all the noise and smell that a wooden coaster seems to emote. Sorry for the diatribe. Just thought someone else might want to comment on why they ride where they do. Ted adamnvillani wrote: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > > At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster is a single rail suspended. < > > The track basically made a figure 8 and then stopped, didn't it? > And I was always so afraid that something would go wrong with that > elevator lift system while the train engaged the track. Legoland California briefly had one of these, called the Spellbreaker. The make/model is the Caripro Batflyer. The concept of the single-rail suspended is a promising one, but the ride is just too short and the through-put so slow, with just single cars going on each of the twin rails. I remember getting in line thinking it looked like a 15 or 20- minute line and having it end up taking 45 minutes. I'd like to go on something similar with a multi-car train and a bit longer of a layout. Neat idea, but I'd go back to the drawing board on it. 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Sep 26 18:29:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37579 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 01:29:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.d7.2e45f1e2 (15877) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e054338a075285; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:29:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:29:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4338A062.2080402@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=KNJaohxNh9sDrCiHq4lmonVR3Ie7qKAFc4b3_T9o_5E27M0YfA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo adamnvillani wrote on 9/26/2005, 8:14 PM: > This applies to the single-rail suspendeds, but also to wild mouse-type > coasters, but one thing I'd like to see more of are combination dark > rides-roller coasters. Imagine, if you will, an enclosed Wild Mouse > that instead of being in one giant room, sends you along the same track > layout, but through narrow, themed corridors. For the single-rail > suspendeds, imagine, say, Peter Pan's Flight, only more gravity- > powered. Maybe with multiple lift hills. I think rides like this (Big > Thunder Mountain RR would be like a bigger version of this idea) could > be big hits with families. There are a few examples, but they're mostly > at the big expensive theme parks... you could apply the concept at a > smaller scale and appeal to a pretty wide range of riders. > > Adam Exterminator at Kennywood comes pretty close to doing just that. There is one large room, but it also goes through several corridors, and the whole thing is pretty well themed. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 23:41:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10325 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 06:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 06:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 06:41:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 06:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 06:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 06:41:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:41:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Gc5-eV3WVcY43UG4MeK1AgRmB95x61ZRnzfYiGCacohnzLljbg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > Hi, > > Was at thorpe park today and had the privilege of watching them lift > the top hat section of the new coaster into place! A very cool > sighting indeed! Wow, did they do any of the other "topping out" as such a large piece? Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 11:17:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42629 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 18:17:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:17:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:17:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 633 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Us9rNhkzVIoAoB7mE06MXLYj3c5J0YPC3lzzFPzHR8hxpyk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 So basically it's a mini-Kingda Ka; right? I'm not certain I get it. It's a 1/4 Xcelerator. Great start, but then it's over. Not even the GIANT hill of Dragster or Kingda Ka. I guess I'm just expecting ... more. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > Hi, > Was at thorpe park today and had the privilege of watching them lift > the top hat section of the new coaster into place! A very cool > sighting indeed! >http://www.thorpepark.co.uk/explore/2006/photo_diary_September_top_hat. asp > has pics! > Also did colossus, nemesis inferno, no way out - and rush and slammer! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 14:51:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88363 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 18:45:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:44:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:44:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:44:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:44:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5648 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: BEWS: Knott's boss banks on Halloween Haunt to shore up attendance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3RrzukrKx4LPUZmsDg0kpuLNTyaHZCZPcETY33m9kJAcINE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 27, 2005 Hotel Online The Orange County Register http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2005_Sep_27/k.OCK.1127838472.html By Michele Himmelberg Buena Park, CA -- It was 1981, at the height of the "Urban Cowboy" craze, when Knott's Berry Farm officials handed Gregg Picon a cowboy hat and a broom and said: You're hired. At 16, Picon thought it was a great job. He had lots of freedom roaming the theme park, he wore a cool costume, and he found an alternative to cutting his long hair: He stuffed it up inside the hat. If anyone had suggested back then that the street sweeper might someday become GM of KBF, Picon wouldn't have argued. "I'm pretty driven in my work," Picon said while walking through KBF's Ghost Town, this time as leader of the park. "So it wouldn't have been unlike me to say, 'One day I'll run this place,' even if it was in jest." Picon has been running the KBF Resort and West Coast operations for parent company Cedar Fair for 5 months. He stepped into the job as his mentor, Jack Falfas, moved up the coaster chain of command to COO for Cedar Fair. Picon inherited a "great team," an industry award and a stack of challenges. The award, a Golden Ticket, recognizes the theme park's annual "Halloween Haunt" as the country's best Halloween event at a theme park. It's the 1st Golden Ticket given by trade magazine Amusement Today for a Halloween event. That honor belongs to every monster, maze creator and boysenberry pie maker at the park, but it was earned for performance in the Falfas era. Now it's up to Picon to match that level of excellence. The 33rd annual HH opens Thurs, with a 25-night run through Oct. 31. It's the park's biggest moneymaker of the year. "It's our turn to pull the load," Picon said of KBF, which is open year-round. Most CF parks are open only for an extended summer season. KBF is playing catch-up after struggling through one of the county's rainiest winters on record. Monsters & ghouls attract people to KBF, but gloom & rain chase them away. Attendance declined by 100,000 in the 1st quarter compared with the same period in 2004. KBF stayed shut on the wettest days, and revenue declined by $2 million. The slide continued this summer as KBF reported a 5% decline at the turnstiles in August. The downturn mirrored reported slowdowns at Six Flags Magic Mountain and Universal Studios in Hollywood. But the shrinking numbers at KBF contradicted a general surge in tourism throughout Orange County, where airline traffic increased this summer and hotel rates zoomed with increasing demand. There's no way to track it, but some suspect that Disneyland's 50th anniversary bash sucked people away from other parks this summer. Visitors may have stayed an extra day at Disneyland rather than making their usual skip over to Buena Park for its Old West ambience and coaster thrills. Or locals might have stayed home this summer, figuring it would be too crowded with all the visitors from Bozeman, Mont., Tucson and Mexico City. With no clear data to explain the summer trend, Picon is focusing on what he can do to deliver a strong 4th quarter. "We're in the business of making people happy, and there are ups & downs," he said. "When Mother Nature doesn't cooperate, that's a bummer. "But that's not something I can control. And it doesn't change our product. "We still have a very safe, entertaining park with courteous employees, and it's a good value." Picon also got socked with rising gas prices. A $3-per-gal. price could deter visitors who frequently drive in from AZ, and it could make the local visitor less likely to dig into a pocket for a $4.95 funnel cake. Sagging revenue and rising costs led to some "tough decisions." KBF laid off 5 management-level employees in July and eliminated their positions, including 2 in marketing. Countering the rough spots, Picon has some good news to celebrate. KBF opened a T.G.I. Friday's restaurant just outside the theme-park gates, and it has "exceeded expectations." Picon plans to open a Johnny Rockets diner inside the park in the spring, offering another dining option and fresh entertainment. Along with burgers, the restaurant will feature singing and dancing by the staff every 20 min. Picon also wrestled enough out of the 2006 budget for a new attraction at Knott's Soak City water park. And then, there's HH. This will be Picon's 25th HH, a badge of honor at a workplace where seniority boosts your status. Employees and monsters brag about the number of years they have endured this month of frights. Many return year after year, taking leave from jobs and moving temporarily from other parts of the country, just to work the Halloween event. "The success depends on all those people out there doing their jobs day in and day out," Picon said. "I just try to make their lives a little easier." Picon also is looking at ways to adjust ticket pricing next year to target specific segments. Already, he has trimmed the cost of regular admission to $14.95 for senior citizens, the same as the children's price. "Our goals for 2006 are very aggressive," Picon said. "I want it to be the best year ever for West Coast operations - the safest year, entertaining the most guests ever - and I want to be voted the best HH again. "But I haven't give up the race for '05 yet. We still have the Haunt, and our major promotions (for veterans and law-enforcement personnel) in the 4th quarter. I hope we can capture some of those lost visits we missed." ------- (c) 2005, The Orange County Register, Calif. Copyright Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Sep 27 15:04:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22602 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15833 invoked by uid 99); 27 Sep 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050927220450.15832.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 27 Sep 2005 17:04:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coasters: Front versus back and more - drr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=0_uasu4-rDwIP1yqlAIdvLd2yONehtcsV4i9Q4hgXapIdd8G X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 NOTE: This reply is very technical and the physics I am describing may not be understood by some readers. I can only partially agree with your explanation for air-time. The feeling of air-time can and does vary from coaster to coaster depending on the overall profile of the hill crests and drops. Two coasters that have the best airtime in the back are the "Raging Bull" at SFGAM and the "Cyclops" at Mt. Olympus (Wis. Dells, WI). These coasters feature steeper than usual drops so the airtime effect is greater in the back seats because the speed of the "falling" train is greater than the momentum of the rider. Therefore, the rider feels as he is being lifted out of the seat as the last cars crest the hill and begin dropping. One example of a coaster with better air time in the front seat is the "Viper" at SFGAm. In this case the drops are not so exaggerated such that the momentum of the rider follows more closely to the track, therefore less air time. But for the riders in the front seats, the rate of change of the curvature of the crest of the hill is such that the momentum spike occurs as the lead car crests the hill. The track profile is has steeper climb and and a quick level-off at the top of the hill, therefore as the train crests the hill, the rider feels like he is continuing to rise while the train is pulled down, under him. A second point in this ride where the front seat riders feel more air time is in the double dip element. In this case, the train has accellerated down a short hill and rapidly levels off, only to continue dropping again, a moment later. In this case, as the front car enters the level-off section, a short positive G force spike occurs and then a few moments later, after the rider's momentum has leveled off, the track drops again. Again, the rider's momentum is not following the track and a period of airtime if felt as the train drops below the rider. > Hello: I've seen several descriptions of coasters and their attributes, and also comments on whether a particular ride is best front or back. May I weigh in on these issues together? > > The answer as to whether front or back is a better ride seems to be "yes". It depends on the > your position in the train from front through middle to back. And, your personal preference. > > The front seat, it would seem, if the basic physics course I almost took and would probably have failed anyway is correct, gets everything first, i.e. curves, hills either up or down, lumps, bumps, etc. Since the entire train is going the same speed, all coupled together, the variety in ride occurs because different seats are in different places at maximum velocity. > > If this seems correct, and if you prefer to have your fillings rattled loose, relieve those neck cramps you've had for years, straighten crossed eyes or lose your hat, sit in the front couple seats. At the bottom you will be going into your first new hill or a hairpin curve at maximum velocity, and with the maximum amount of twisting and cracking of body parts. > > Unfortunately, if you sit in the front, you will be partially down the first hill before your car reaches an exciting speed. In fact, it feels a little like you are hanging-up on the hill, held back, even though the view before the drop is better with the added time. But, your vertical drop is decreased, so the feeling of weightlessness is reduced. > > If you sit in the back, and watch the front go over the hill first, you are already being dragged down the grade as you crest the top, so your weightless ride is better. But, half the train is in the curve or up the next hill before you get there, slowing you down, so your ride is less bangy and bruisy. > > Middle ground might dictate taking a ride in the center to enjoy both a slightly speedier drop and a little rougher turns. > > So, to say the ride is better "in the back" is right, as is claiming it's in the front that it's most enjoyable. My personal preference is back, finding the "falling" thrill more enjoyable that the added speed going into turns or hills (the only exception being "The Jack Rabbit" with a series of closely spaced dips that send front seat riders airborne on each). To assure a back seat ride, however, I will sometimes wait a few trips for it to empty just to get it. > > Also, ranking coasters by their physical attributes will find the back seat riders looking for the highest drop, with front seat riders wanting loops, curves and dips, right? I think wooden versus steel may hinge on all the noise and smell that a wooden coaster seems to emote. > > Sorry for the diatribe. Just thought someone else might want to comment on why they ride where they do. > > Ted Dave Rounds From filipm2@rpi.edu Tue Sep 27 16:20:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36467 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 21:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 21:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 21:19:04 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8RLIs9Y022713 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:18:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5120CCB1-0835-4712-AE60-50CA109CCDB7@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:20:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=Y3FjjufZRVrteaHd5PNfejfbhMkXabqajViQskKcmOB8Psvg8hDI X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > So basically it's a mini-Kingda Ka; right? > > I'm not certain I get it. It's a 1/4 Xcelerator. Great start, but then > it's over. Not even the GIANT hill of Dragster or Kingda Ka. I guess > I'm just expecting ... more. I'm surprised the rocket coasters are still selling so well, since they're really expensive and there isn't much to them. I haven't been out to CA in a couple years, but is Xcelerator still a popular ride? I think a better investment for the park would be an updated version of a Schwarzkopf shuttle loop... maybe with a vertical spike on the loop side, and a slightly beyond vertical spike behind the station... that would give one of the most insane back seat rides ever. How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman with a slightly different layout. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 16:33:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94324 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 18:27:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:25:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 18:25:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:25:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bonfante Gardens Wins Award X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6R2gud6--dMNocf6kVcs304XZpKE1mGQKBC4LsH2VJyHYG4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 27, 2005 Gilroy Dispatch http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=169021 By Serdar Tumgoren Gilroy, CA -- The artfully manicured gardens, trees and other horticultural attractions at Bonfante Gardens have earned the park top honors in an international awards competition. Amusement Today, an eminent trade journal covering the world of amusement and theme parks, awarded the nonprofit park 3rd prize for landscaping as part of its Golden Ticket Awards for 2005. BG finished just after a park in the Netherlands and Busch Gardens, a major regional attraction in Williamsburg, Virginia. The trade journal gives awards in a total of 14 categories, including friendliest staff, best kid's area, best park overall. "We are extremely delighted to receive this award and to be recognized for our accomplishments in landscaping," said Holly Perez, spokeswoman for the park. Michael Bonfante, whose family owned the Nob Hill grocery store chain, opened the park to help educate children and families about horticulture. While BG has partnered with Paramount Great America to help increase attendance through new amusement park-oriented attractions, officials say they plan to refocus on the park's educational mission in coming months. They frequently hold up the Monterey Bay Aquarium as their model, simply with a different focus. "There's only one way to get people to appreciate nature," said Greg Martinez, a member of the nonprofit's board of directors. "It's to get them to understand nature." From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 27 16:59:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39498 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 23:59:01 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKPLh-0005j9-4p for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4339DCC6.7070903@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:59:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0baabb39616eb88e055e10c7bc108a9fcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2pJ1kI99AG2nrId3u1ReP0fgwa7V9ro2w5-ueUAQuLItkOc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > This applies to the single-rail suspendeds, but also to wild mouse-type > coasters, but one thing I'd like to see more of are combination dark > rides-roller coasters. Imagine, if you will, an enclosed Wild Mouse > that instead of being in one giant room, sends you along the same track > layout, but through narrow, themed corridors. Sounds a heck of a lot like the Dragon coaster at Legoland. And yes, it's a great, fun ride. The Mummy coasters are also very similar to this concept with a bit of a mix of dark ride and coaster. But as you point out, they're basically at the bigger, more expensive park. Which, I guess, makes sense due to the extra cost to put in theming like that. It would be nice to see more of them. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 17:10:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70221 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 00:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 00:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 00:10:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 00:10:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 00:09:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:09:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4339DCC6.7070903@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=TIokKiVxK3zhBU_Sp2Dk6WBYBoaMB17Cq9rCF5i5Tw1qmtefJjiH X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: narrow, themed corridors. > > Sounds a heck of a lot like the Dragon coaster at Legoland. Yeah, actually I thought of the Dragon Coaster after I wrote that post. That's a fun ride... it's like a dark ride with a bit of a boost, or like a family coaster with a bit more character. If it were just a standard family coaster without the theming, it wouldn't really be worth mentioning, but with the theming it's pretty cool. It's been a couple years since I've been to LL, and they've added quite a bit, though I hear the Coastersaurus isn't all that great. I'll bet you could enhance something even as simple as a Miler Coaster with some standard cheap dark ride effects, whether "haunted house" themed, or storybook themed, or whatever. Just think Disney, but cheaper. :-) Adam From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 17:23:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12181 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 85913 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20050928002318.85911.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:23:18 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:23:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=peutMSfzPkEU7xxAvOu4NvzT8vlnRV7x2FGrBIPJzeWaruQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy My guess would be the new powered suspended or spinning line that Mack just came out with. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 27 17:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17656 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 00:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 00:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 00:30:13 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKPpt-0001hX-GZ for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <4339E417.7060102@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:30:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0bfd131d8199329c770da190841355f0c3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: SFNO in a state of limbo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=V3a3k2dBKLjJr5vjmlKTiQhsYRs3SkeF4KFsvQgTYca16tw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Very interesting article about the park located at: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BA0EABF82-BA9F-45D7-925A-5E46FDDA77C5%7D&siteid=google LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) - A corporate tussle, 75-year lease and a heavily damaged array of rides and attractions all are coming into play at one tourist attraction devastated by Hurricane Katrina: Six Flags New Orleans. The park's 35 rides sat in as much as 12 feet of water after the levees broke in New Orleans, creating some of the more spectacular floodwater pictures with its tall roller-coasters jutting out from the deluge. Water around the theme park, located about 12 miles northeast of central New Orleans, had yet to be fully drained as of last week, said Debbie Nauser, Six Flags (PKS: news, chart, profile) spokeswoman. "We don't know the state of the park and likely won't know for some time," Nauser said. Nauser said the company has a 75-year lease with the city of New Orleans. Six Flags acquired the park, formerly known as Jazzland, in 2002 out of bankruptcy. Six Flags leases the park from the city's Industrial Development Board, free of property taxes, but in return the park is required to rebuild in the event of damage. Six Flags plans to rebuild the park, Nauser said. But it hasn't been one of the company's strongest performers. *** Me again- there's more to the article also. So it looks like they will rebuild something there, but who knows what or how much. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Sep 27 17:32:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 831 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 00:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 00:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 00:32:47 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.1e4.44ac13e8 (4320) for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e4.44ac13e8.306b3ea7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:32:39 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking Gershlauer, like Timberland Express at Mall of America's Camp Snoopy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:37:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22983 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 02:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 02:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 02:36:59 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so1082172wxc for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.12 with SMTP id 12mr3264920wxu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:36:58 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050928002318.85911.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050928002318.85911.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Ryan Snooks Reply-To: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=abpQBzhy6_7fH3lmEWWL51AP-FV6TirHgvRU93HegU4JE4LmYRbZovc X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 9/27/05, Adam Sandy wrote: > My guess would be the new powered suspended or > spinning line that Mack just came out with. > > Adam Do you have anymore info about these? I checked their website, but it hasn't been updated much since it was opened. In fact, their site has hardly any of their products listed. Not sure if that's an oversight, or if they just don't offer those products anymore. It's too bad, because Euro Mir fit the darkride/coaster description that's going on, with it's short darkride beginning. That darkride portion wasn't nearly as long as The Dragon or either of the Mummies, but it was a great beginning to the coaster. Let's see, the other heavily themed coasters I can think of are almost all at major theme parks like someone said: Poseidon, JTA, The Matterhorn, Big Thunder Mt. R.R., Space Mountain (all of them, except for maybe the rip-off one), Eurosat, Exterminator (an exception), and some other European and Asian ones that I know little about. On a side note, I'm working on a Euro Mir car model, made out of balsa wood. I finished most of the shaping, except for the lap bars, before I had to leave for college, but I should get close to finishing it when I come home this upcoming weekend. I think in total I'll have spent about 5 days on it once I'm finished. Not the easiest model to start with though, as I think I could do almost any other coaster car in only 2 or 3 days (I'm thinking of doing the very unusual Whirl-Fly next, or otherwise a car from the Soapbox Derby). I'll post pictures when I'm done with it. I plan on painting the body in red metal flake. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 27 20:52:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85065 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 03:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 03:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 03:52:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12C29A72 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <4338803A.5030503@earthlink.net> References: <2CEB8A23-54E6-4E0A-8645-287175D08DB7@buzzneon.com> <4338803A.5030503@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50784C1E-4CCC-4817-8674-660DF0CD2BD6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:52:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Park souveniers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=f5WiR2kpuRvsdRFrRB8Am569zRZRqRWOEvm-DHCxlwKaHRtv X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, > I'm also a magnet collector, along with park maps and the souvenier > cups. I wouldn't be surprised if I have over 100 magnets, and it's > not > unusual for me to buy all 3 on ebay when I find them. Heh .. well I buy the magnets because I actually need them. I have crap three levels deep on my fridge! :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 27 20:55:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92940 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 03:55:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A792E9A72 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:55:38 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050927001750.17750.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050927001750.17750.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A0FAB80-4AAB-4108-A9CC-DA1536D342CA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:55:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coasters: Front versus back and more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=gWeQLmCZhBpdC80gnohky4LPYUffkQspnaf73_odfBOlXML- X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Ted, It really depends upon the coaster. I think the front seats provide more air when the ride has mainly complete hills (ie: raise to a peak, then drop again .. Like Shivering Timbers). However the back seats provide more air when the ride has more sudden drops (like the fifth drop on Raven). Of course, that's really just how it feels to me. I've done no explicit study to back that up! Cameron. On Sep 26, 2005, at 19:17, Ted Lemen wrote: > Hello: I've seen several descriptions of coasters and their > attributes, and also comments on whether a particular ride is best > front or back. May I weigh in on these issues together? > > The answer as to whether front or back is a better ride seems to be > "yes". It depends on the > your position in the train from front through middle to back. And, > your personal preference. > > The front seat, it would seem, if the basic physics course I almost > took and would probably have failed anyway is correct, gets > everything first, i.e. curves, hills either up or down, lumps, > bumps, etc. Since the entire train is going the same speed, all > coupled together, the variety in ride occurs because different > seats are in different places at maximum velocity. > > If this seems correct, and if you prefer to have your fillings > rattled loose, relieve those neck cramps you've had for years, > straighten crossed eyes or lose your hat, sit in the front couple > seats. At the bottom you will be going into your first new hill or > a hairpin curve at maximum velocity, and with the maximum amount of > twisting and cracking of body parts. > > Unfortunately, if you sit in the front, you will be partially down > the first hill before your car reaches an exciting speed. In fact, > it feels a little like you are hanging-up on the hill, held back, > even though the view before the drop is better with the added > time. But, your vertical drop is decreased, so the feeling of > weightlessness is reduced. > > If you sit in the back, and watch the front go over the hill first, > you are already being dragged down the grade as you crest the top, > so your weightless ride is better. But, half the train is in the > curve or up the next hill before you get there, slowing you down, > so your ride is less bangy and bruisy. > > Middle ground might dictate taking a ride in the center to enjoy > both a slightly speedier drop and a little rougher turns. > > So, to say the ride is better "in the back" is right, as is > claiming it's in the front that it's most enjoyable. My personal > preference is back, finding the "falling" thrill more enjoyable > that the added speed going into turns or hills (the only exception > being "The Jack Rabbit" with a series of closely spaced dips that > send front seat riders airborne on each). To assure a back seat > ride, however, I will sometimes wait a few trips for it to empty > just to get it. > > Also, ranking coasters by their physical attributes will find the > back seat riders looking for the highest drop, with front seat > riders wanting loops, curves and dips, right? I think wooden > versus steel may hinge on all the noise and smell that a wooden > coaster seems to emote. > > Sorry for the diatribe. Just thought someone else might want to > comment on why they ride where they do. > > Ted > adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > wrote: > >>> At PKI the junior woodie is Beastie, and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster >>> > is a single rail suspended. < > >> >> The track basically made a figure 8 and then stopped, didn't it? >> And I was always so afraid that something would go wrong with that >> elevator lift system while the train engaged the track. >> > > Legoland California briefly had one of these, called the Spellbreaker. > The make/model is the Caripro Batflyer. The concept of the single-rail > suspended is a promising one, but the ride is just too short and the > through-put so slow, with just single cars going on each of the twin > rails. I remember getting in line thinking it looked like a 15 or 20- > minute line and having it end up taking 45 minutes. I'd like to go on > something similar with a multi-car train and a bit longer of a layout. > Neat idea, but I'd go back to the drawing board on it. > > Adam > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group > would be like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you > would and would not like to see there. > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Roller coaster Theme park > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Play a real game, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Play pinball! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 21:41:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94439 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 04:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 04:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 04:41:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 04:40:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 04:40:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:40:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.242.189 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dcf0mfeqp2ewu68pNCOvm7APUiONk7jHMEFTlkLv0-WPjS_J34cS X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks wrote: >(I'm thinking of doing the very unusual Whirl-Fly > next, or otherwise a car from the Soapbox Derby) Hey, there's an example right there of a fairly inexpensive but effective themed coaster. That was a pretty unusual beast--- single-rail coaster, quad racer, heavily themed. Sadly defunct, though the ride that sits in its spot now (Xcelerator) is pretty killer. I think the Steeplechase at Blackpool is the only remaining ride of its kind. I was thinking about this some more, and I think that the heavy theming only works on coasters below a certain intensity. Otherwise, stuff just zips by too fast, and you're concentrating on the motion and the g-forces more than the scenery. Adam From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Sep 28 03:29:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4674 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 10:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 10:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 10:29:27 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-71-192-21-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.21.232]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050928102854012004eqcje>; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:28:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:28:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=dMhMiNU8MP_Lk2Kvkle5GU-nVQPmretLJztAr0fzt-kcsbcbsnOwvA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Um, wow: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/ParkPress/ 092805NewCapLeadRelease.html From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 04:41:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95835 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 11:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 11:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 11:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28039 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2005 11:39:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050928113910.28037.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:39:10 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:39:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=cbcbViS-vjOeex5pX-W5XFNobdBA4VHFVU66na3o3XYpvGU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Do you have anymore info about these? I checked > their website, but it > hasn't been updated much since it was opened. I just read a press release in the latest issue of Kirmes and Park magazine, it is the only place I have seen the info. so far. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Sep 28 05:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26809 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 12:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 12:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 12:05:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 12:04:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 12:04:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:04:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.107 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: SFGAdv's new roller coaster and two new areas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=Fd0ttbwoTxIu5b3x6WffQ816jQHNSHlOm300ZB8RvJdKMsy9GmI X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred As expected by various websites last week, Six Flags Great Adventures announces today the opening of a new wooden roller coaster, El Toro, the central piece of the new "Plaza del Carnaval" themed-area. El Toro is designed to combine "out and back" and "twister" forms of roller coasters. It is going to be the world second highest and fastest wooden roller coaster: with 181 feets and 70 mph, El Toro will be smaller and slower than PKI's Son of Beast (218' and 78 mph, according to RCDB). The existing Rolling Thunder will be included in the new area, which will also feature a Mexican restaurant. Moreover, a new kids area will be built with Looney Tunes characters, "Bugs Bunny National Park". It looks similar to the Great Escape's "Looney Tunes National Park" built in 2005. The press release talks about "an interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treatsan interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treats". These look like the new Pays de Ribambelle created this year at La Ronde. Press release (below), fact sheet and videos are available at: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/ParkPress/092805NewCapLea dRelease.html Fred *************** PRESS RELEASE Six Flags Great Adventure Will Debut Monstrous Wooden Roller Coaster In Newly-Themed Area and New Looney Tunes Kids' Section In 2006 Sept. 28, 2005 El Toro will challenge the most daring thrill seekers, while third children's area will provide maximum family fun In 2006, thrill seekers at the World's largest regional theme park will challenge El Toro, an enormous, new wooden roller coaster under construction at Six Flags Great Adventure. The thrill ride, which incorporates the most daring features of the world's best wooden roller coasters combined with the smooth speed of a steel coaster, will be the star of a vibrant, newly-themed area of the park, Plaza del Carnaval. Just around the corner, families with young children will explore exciting, pint-sized adventures in the all-new Bugs Bunny National Park kids' area, featuring new rides and attractions designed just for them. Both new areas, including monstrous El Toro, are set to open next season. "Classic design meets state-of-the-art thrills with our spectacular, new wooden roller coaster," said Rick McCurley, the park's vice president and general manager. "As part of our multi-year expansion to a family destination, this massive coaster adventure will anchor a colorful, newly-themed area evoking the lively energy of Spanish- speaking regions of the world." El Toro's unique design, inspired by the agility and strength of the brave Matadors, features a hybrid design including a classic "out and back" track with four fast-charging drops, multiple highly-banked turns and a beastly "twister" finale. El Toro will also deliver nine "airtime" opportunities, giving riders the highly-sought thrill ride sensation of weightlessness. At 181 feet tall, reaching 70 mph, El Toro will rank among the tallest and fastest wooden roller coasters in the world. Its 4,400 feet of mountainous track includes records for second tallest, fastest and longest drop of all wooden coasters in America and features the world's steepest drop on a wooden roller coaster, 76 white-knuckled degrees. El Toro will anchor the colorful and lively Plaza del Carnaval section along a scenic waterway. This newly-themed area will feature La Cocina restaurant offering authentic Mexican fare, plus an open- air, marketplace-style retail shop and a new, themed family ride. Plaza del Carnaval will also include one of the world's rare, classic dual-track wooden roller coasters, Rolling Thunder, introduced in 1979. Just around the corner, parents and their young children will explore Bugs Bunny National Park, an all-new, wilderness-themed children's area with tons of fun for little ones. Located on Six Flags Great Adventure's picturesque Great Lake, this new kids' area, featuring Bugs Bunny and his Looney Tunes pals, will join Looney Tunes Seaport and Balin's Jungleland as the park's third section devoted to the youngest thrillseekers. Families will enjoy the great outdoors with new rides, an interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treats. "Moms and dads told us their kids love the new Balin's Jungleland area this season, and they want more. "We listened, and with nearly 25 rides specially-designed for kids 54 inches and under, dozens of rides for tweens and teens, and the world's ultimate coaster collection, Six Flags Great Adventure will be the perfect way to enjoy playtime together in 2006," McCurley said. The new Bugs Bunny National Park, and Plaza del Carnaval featuring El Toro, are slated for a spring 2006 opening. Guests can take a virual ride on El Toro and receive up-to-the-minute park news throughout the winter construction project. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Sep 28 05:05:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42977 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 12:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 12:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 12:05:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 12:04:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 12:04:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:04:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5132 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.107 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: SFGAdv's new roller coaster and two new areas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=XJD0UdTV2P9wTZdYpU5JA-yrRGa0Aq2311BILx3yH-FE0F0KIfs X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred As expected by various websites last week, Six Flags Great Adventures announces today the opening of a new wooden roller coaster, El Toro, the central piece of the new "Plaza del Carnaval" themed-area. El Toro is designed to combine "out and back" and "twister" forms of roller coasters. It is going to be the world second highest and fastest wooden roller coaster: with 181 feets and 70 mph, El Toro will be smaller and slower than PKI's Son of Beast (218' and 78 mph, according to RCDB). The existing Rolling Thunder will be included in the new area, which will also feature a Mexican restaurant. Moreover, a new kids area will be built with Looney Tunes characters, "Bugs Bunny National Park". It looks similar to the Great Escape's "Looney Tunes National Park" built in 2005. The press release talks about "an interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treatsan interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treats". These look like the new Pays de Ribambelle created this year at La Ronde. Press release (below), fact sheet and videos are available at: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/ParkPress/092805NewCapLea dRelease.html Fred *************** PRESS RELEASE Six Flags Great Adventure Will Debut Monstrous Wooden Roller Coaster In Newly-Themed Area and New Looney Tunes Kids' Section In 2006 Sept. 28, 2005 El Toro will challenge the most daring thrill seekers, while third children's area will provide maximum family fun In 2006, thrill seekers at the World's largest regional theme park will challenge El Toro, an enormous, new wooden roller coaster under construction at Six Flags Great Adventure. The thrill ride, which incorporates the most daring features of the world's best wooden roller coasters combined with the smooth speed of a steel coaster, will be the star of a vibrant, newly-themed area of the park, Plaza del Carnaval. Just around the corner, families with young children will explore exciting, pint-sized adventures in the all-new Bugs Bunny National Park kids' area, featuring new rides and attractions designed just for them. Both new areas, including monstrous El Toro, are set to open next season. "Classic design meets state-of-the-art thrills with our spectacular, new wooden roller coaster," said Rick McCurley, the park's vice president and general manager. "As part of our multi-year expansion to a family destination, this massive coaster adventure will anchor a colorful, newly-themed area evoking the lively energy of Spanish- speaking regions of the world." El Toro's unique design, inspired by the agility and strength of the brave Matadors, features a hybrid design including a classic "out and back" track with four fast-charging drops, multiple highly-banked turns and a beastly "twister" finale. El Toro will also deliver nine "airtime" opportunities, giving riders the highly-sought thrill ride sensation of weightlessness. At 181 feet tall, reaching 70 mph, El Toro will rank among the tallest and fastest wooden roller coasters in the world. Its 4,400 feet of mountainous track includes records for second tallest, fastest and longest drop of all wooden coasters in America and features the world's steepest drop on a wooden roller coaster, 76 white-knuckled degrees. El Toro will anchor the colorful and lively Plaza del Carnaval section along a scenic waterway. This newly-themed area will feature La Cocina restaurant offering authentic Mexican fare, plus an open- air, marketplace-style retail shop and a new, themed family ride. Plaza del Carnaval will also include one of the world's rare, classic dual-track wooden roller coasters, Rolling Thunder, introduced in 1979. Just around the corner, parents and their young children will explore Bugs Bunny National Park, an all-new, wilderness-themed children's area with tons of fun for little ones. Located on Six Flags Great Adventure's picturesque Great Lake, this new kids' area, featuring Bugs Bunny and his Looney Tunes pals, will join Looney Tunes Seaport and Balin's Jungleland as the park's third section devoted to the youngest thrillseekers. Families will enjoy the great outdoors with new rides, an interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high-spirited show for kids and a snack bar with lots of sweet treats. "Moms and dads told us their kids love the new Balin's Jungleland area this season, and they want more. "We listened, and with nearly 25 rides specially-designed for kids 54 inches and under, dozens of rides for tweens and teens, and the world's ultimate coaster collection, Six Flags Great Adventure will be the perfect way to enjoy playtime together in 2006," McCurley said. The new Bugs Bunny National Park, and Plaza del Carnaval featuring El Toro, are slated for a spring 2006 opening. Guests can take a virual ride on El Toro and receive up-to-the-minute park news throughout the winter construction project. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Sep 28 05:10:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42392 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 12:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 12:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 12:10:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:08:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200509280508.AA66060410@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: The Big E, 9-24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=20rXwXdRHnmchpPGk6sjvm_TQMpdJqdSDpwpaWO62VoaMLwCyCEv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Now, we know about the food, but did you get any "pastoral and seaside paintings, glass works, candles and food". < LOL! No, not this time. Last year we found a really nice framed print of the old Newport Beach (RI) boardwalk park. This year a lot of the prints seemed more generic. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 05:45:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63449 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 12:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 12:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 12:40:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0209A72 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:40:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WJv_sc-hQqBGxK4lBlR-v1N57OzW7q8zVhElk9gjQQH8IPaO X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Haha .. "El Toro" was the original name for Raging Bull! Glad to see that it's being used, I think it's an awesome name. I do find it odd that they're building an out-n-back coaster .. when they already have one (two if you count Nitro). But the ride does look pretty freaking great. Was it just me, or are there actually wood coaster squealing sounds in the animation?! (It might just be the strange passenger screams they used). It's not on the fact sheet, but this is an Intamin (with the goofy wood track) ride, right? Cameron. On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:28, Bill Childs wrote: > Um, wow: > > http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/ParkPress/ > 092805NewCapLeadRelease.html > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your > home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > We also have an early idea of what a message board for the group > would be like created here: > http://coastergeorge.proboards56.com/index.cgi > Take a look and see what you think. Then let us know what you > would and would not like to see there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Beware of * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Unvisible Zed! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 06:03:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40841 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 13:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 13:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 13:03:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 13:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 13:02:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:02:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=merSICFmW54sK-d-3UdMqWuihF40uPeLgPaTIKUFO9whYernzALuOxo X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > So basically it's a mini-Kingda Ka; right? > > I'm not certain I get it. It's a 1/4 Xcelerator. Great start, but then > it's over. Not even the GIANT hill of Dragster or Kingda Ka. I guess > I'm just expecting ... more. > -Alan > Yep - but it will be a first for europe... From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 06:08:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53815 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 13:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 13:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 13:08:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 13:04:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 13:04:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5120CCB1-0835-4712-AE60-50CA109CCDB7@rpi.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=VPJwXn87mINTddtF2jPzLplAsNOGkuMr_f1wOvTpg0s62vW2TxIGE-A X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone wrote: > How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman > with a slightly different layout. > > Mike It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the front seat..... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 07:36:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96026 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 14:36:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 14:35:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 14:35:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:35:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5120CCB1-0835-4712-AE60-50CA109CCDB7@rpi.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uN_J49roEOF6SFB86Y9J7zJRPB039rlkG4QJMVQxwnSxsLU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone wrote: > > So basically it's a mini-Kingda Ka; right? > > > > I'm not certain I get it. It's a 1/4 Xcelerator. Great start, but then > > it's over. Not even the GIANT hill of Dragster or Kingda Ka. I guess > > I'm just expecting ... more. > > I'm surprised the rocket coasters are still selling so well, since > they're really expensive and there isn't much to them. I haven't > been out to CA in a couple years, but is Xcelerator still a popular > ride? I don't know if Xcelerator's "still a popular ride" (I ride it every time I'm there). But at least it HAS a "ride". -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 07:42:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98279 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 14:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 14:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 14:42:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 14:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 14:41:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:41:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hOlvy2cO_Dljekiz6H_P9HnHegmad9RbAaRWLjOHlDqQHz0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: >SNIP > I'll bet you could enhance something even as simple as a Miler Coaster > with some standard cheap dark ride effects, whether "haunted house" > themed, or storybook themed, or whatever. Just think Disney, but > cheaper. :-) > > Adam So, I assume you haven't seen Mulholland Madness at DCA? :p -Alan From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 08:14:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5291 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 15:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 15:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 15:14:14 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j8SFDxBJ004226 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:59 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2005 15:13:58.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[40366EA0:01C5C43F] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=x8107q0eXiUoLbAhOOj5srdlIltIvAQhCpoIp3QnxKielsgj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I'm surprised the rocket coasters are still selling so well, since > they're really expensive and there isn't much to them. Have you seen Superman in Australia? It looks utterly amazing! Finally a rocket with some substance (I haven't been a fan of them either .. but this one really looks bloody good.) Here are some pictures: http://tinyurl.com/8pzut http://tinyurl.com/ahumv (Note, that a significant potion of the ride takes place indoors, as a dark ride..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 08:33:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32787 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 15:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:33:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.33.103.99 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=eFGzKZpcOlDPwkaQiY2ND_o9yg5G8UM874SKWi0C55Pt-YM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Yep - but it will be a first for europe... It has a custom layout, that's the only first I can see about it. RITA and Kannon both have hydraulic launches. Adam From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 08:34:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63041 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 15:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 15:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 15:34:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 15:33:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:33:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e4.44ac13e8.306b3ea7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.33.103.99 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=vJ9yzEl1oQb6fpzX4YVrKJcI0GEP61RwZRpUKCNmjXkQ74Y X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm thinking Gershlauer, like Timberland Express at Mall of America's Camp > Snoopy Its not a Gerstlauer. Adam From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 28 12:00:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25133 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 19:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 19:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 19:00:20 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8SJ03eP018910 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> <38263.151.145.63.124.1127913446.squirrel@webmail.screamscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=W3g8G8RUDHBZ9_BpkFPYGgL1U8XJVS2iDj7-bCZYGXnWOxmzxKc8HXUWNA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Haha .. "El Toro" was the original name for Raging Bull! Glad > to see that it's being used, I think it's an awesome name. Wasn't there also talk of El Diablo for Raging Bull as well? I seem to remember hearing about both at the time. Personally, I don't care for El Toro as a name for such a huge wooden coaster. It just lacks "power" or "personality" or even an intimidation factor that you would get from a name more like El Diablo or even Goliath, Kingda Ka, Colossus, or whatever... El Toro means only two things to me... a cow with horns or a lawnmower. Lawnmower: The Ride anyone? From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 28 12:03:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69113 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 19:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 19:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 19:03:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8SJ3TEg029687 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <034501c5c45f$54289490$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:03:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: A new family roller coaster at PKI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=qLB2hhmkM8rfpqLgFULFTbk_WHQMbC0_Kj5A57sCK7UUTfWllivueriojg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I'll bet you could enhance something even as simple as a Miler > Coaster >> with some standard cheap dark ride effects, whether "haunted house" >> themed, or storybook themed, or whatever. Just think Disney, but >> cheaper. :-) >> >> Adam > > So, I assume you haven't seen Mulholland Madness at DCA? > :p > -Alan Or Primeval Whirl at Animal Kingdom. From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Sep 28 12:06:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78317 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8SJ6336032134 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:06:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> <38263.151.145.63.124.1127913446.squirrel@webmail.screamscape.com> <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <983AD610-61BA-4A9A-A0C5-8BA414EE87B9@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:07:55 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=0hqSqZvTHQUy04oJM7XoPXIuJXqRl-inOIRYCe42deQZm4d_BbKr X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Haha .. "El Toro" was the original name for Raging Bull! Glad >> to see that it's being used, I think it's an awesome name. >> > > Wasn't there also talk of El Diablo for Raging Bull as well? I seem to > remember hearing about both at the time. Personally, I don't care > for El > Toro as a name for such a huge wooden coaster. It just lacks > "power" or > "personality" or even an intimidation factor that you would get > from a name > more like El Diablo or even Goliath, Kingda Ka, Colossus, or > whatever... > > El Toro means only two things to me... a cow with horns or a > lawnmower. Maybe at the bottom of the first drop, they'll have a red sheet that gets pulled away at the last minute. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 12:57:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8974 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 19:57:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 19:51:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 19:51:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:51:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <983AD610-61BA-4A9A-A0C5-8BA414EE87B9@rpi.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yNBT9bygNU6cPCgK3zWuJNJRHyIdsk2SVScAvPQv_yrfkHw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone wrote: > Wasn't there also talk of El Diablo for Raging Bull as well? I seem to > > remember hearing about both at the time. Personally, I don't care > > for El > > Toro as a name for such a huge wooden coaster. It just lacks > > "power" or > > "personality" or even an intimidation factor that you would get > > from a name > > more like El Diablo or even Goliath, Kingda Ka, Colossus, or > > whatever... > > > > El Toro means only two things to me... a cow with horns or a > > lawnmower. > > Maybe at the bottom of the first drop, they'll have a red sheet that > gets pulled away at the last minute. > Mike Or a patch of un-cut grass :p -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 13:06:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44732 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 20:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 20:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 20:06:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 20:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2005 20:03:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:03:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Calaway Park gets a little spooky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VxGuCA3Eo7Sr8OhAZI22GRB5jDtqhGb6oBl175RFkEMyf30 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 28, 2005 Cochrane Times http://www.cochranetimes.com/story.php?id=3D186891 by Darryl Mills Calgary, Alberta, CA -=97 Just because summer is over, doesn't mean the=20 fun is over at Calaway Park. For the first time, in it's 24 year history, Western Canada's largest=20 outdoor family amusement park is offering Halloweekends. Since the weekend after Labour Day, Calaway has been transformed into=20 a fun mix of spooky thrills and fun for the whole family in=20 celebration of Halloween. "The park is decorated with pumpkins and=20 scarecrows, and it's really family focused," says Calaway Marketing=20 Director Bob Williams. "It has really turned into a lot of fun at the park." And, of course, any Halloween festivities have to involve a haunted=20 house, and Calaway's is done up extra special for this event. "We've=20 teamed up with Screamworks, who have come and put some extra energy=20 into it, and we have actors and some other enhancements inside,"=20 Williams said. And, kids between 3-12 who enter and listen to the spooky story of=20 the house's history and search for clues are rewarded with a goody=20 bag at the end. Williams said that in the first 3 weekends of the month-long=20 spooktacular, over 10,000 goody bags have already been handed out. He also noted that although it is a haunted house, they have kept=20 their family focus. "Even the actors in the haunted house, one is a=20 maid, one is a butler, step out in a very quiet way," he says. Another highlight of the weekend is the twice daily stage show. It is=20 a musical tale about a pair of teenagers who stumble upon a haunted=20 house and their adventures when they meet up with kooky and spooky=20 characters like the Boogie Woogie Boogey Man and Maddie the Mad=20 Scientist. As well, there are other great Halloween-inspired items and events=20 ongoing throughout the park. For those looking to save a bit of money, 50%-off admission coupons=20 are available at all Calgary Co-op locations. Williams said guests haven't been showing up in costume, but staff=20 sure have, and that is a theme they hope to expand on, as this is=20 expected to only be the 1st year of many Halloweekends. "The plan in=20 the long term is to make this even more interactive"e says. And, to really top off the year, Calaway is teaming up with Calgary=20 Co-op, the Resorts of the Canadian Rockies and the Community Kitchen,=20 to do a food bank drive for the Community Kitchen program. And, in the best deal of the year =96 anyone who shows their Calgary Co- op Value Plus card gets in with 3 friends for free. Calaway's weekend hours for the rest of the year are Saturdays,=20 Sundays and Thanksgiving Monday from 11a.m. - 6p.m. ------------- =A9 2005 Cochrane Times From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 15:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99564 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 22:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 22:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 22:38:02 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j8SMc1a8007743 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:38:01 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:38:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> <38263.151.145.63.124.1127913446.squirrel@webmail.screamscape.com> <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76A08B2C-0B69-4EEF-9B97-B334FF401BC9@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:38:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2005 22:38:01.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[483A17D0:01C5C47D] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=e6_Ep05ndtMsHvgXozsH0YX4nnCMnEB3rzsiQD_6TXOoIEzk X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Wasn't there also talk of El Diablo for Raging Bull as well? I seem to > remember hearing about both at the time. Perhaps .. I'm not the best person to ask since I was just becoming a coaster nerd at the time. > Lawnmower: The Ride anyone? The Deja Vu colour-scheme would suit a John Deere theme! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 28 18:24:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7239 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKnAH-0006o7-H1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:24:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0becbbf483a5e1c1ba1ea253555f9e3bee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=s-QUpXSVjCVeUSPmYRHdJc-gcDJgtMNQX3K20caDVhidbkc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone > wrote: > > > How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman > > with a slightly different layout. > > > > Mike > > It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the front > seat..... > you need to get out here to the states then and ride SheiKra. The back row is the place to be on it. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 28 18:29:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5671 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 01:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 01:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 01:29:57 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKnFD-0001ql-W9 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: <433B4398.4010000@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:30:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0bc84987fc6bbaaa9142fd9741984be237350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ajkt-6PhZ8kS5CM00dGO_WrCCyuZKJerqU3xzAxFhD_ApQU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > Haha .. "El Toro" was the original name for Raging Bull! Glad to see > that it's being used, I think it's an awesome name. > > I do find it odd that they're building an out-n-back coaster .. when > they already have one (two if you count Nitro). But the ride does > look pretty freaking great. If anything, I think it may be a good fit to make up for some of the mess that Kinda Ka has been. A good, fun, and reliable coaster. From what little I've had a chance to see, I've really liked it. Wonder how Holiday World feels about losing their record steepest drop already? It's not on the fact sheet, but this is an Intamin (with the goofy > wood track) ride, right? Didn't see anyone else answer this yet, so just in case, yes, it's an Intamin. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Sep 28 19:37:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55763 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 02:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 02:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 02:37:49 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.20d.a606693 (57341) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20d.a606693.306cad43@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:36:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=n1VLwgyKhwPjciqLlFnfoMkuEyyss816Tcc_LBA1-l6uJivM-zpx X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks awsoem, but it's missing something. But what? -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 19:58:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99473 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 02:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 02:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 02:58:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 02:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 02:58:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 02:58:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:58:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <433B4398.4010000@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.144.175 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=QqlvOtipQEIlaI_gSkUcInaFwPGjqsj4Rmj5jiUHnnH2q3oJuz3v X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > Wonder how Holiday World feels about losing their record steepest drop > already? I think in the coaster biz these days anybody who claims a record of any sort has got to be ready for that record to fall by the next season, two years if they're lucky. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 20:15:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31153 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 03:15:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F659A72 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:15:00 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D96CECB-3DB7-45B3-AEBE-60943B66C938@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:15:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=zXUYOsfevWMVvmM3Xi5bMQprw80939ryz9feOwPVSFOMqlEl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Wonder how Holiday World feels about losing their record steepest >> drop >> already? > > I think in the coaster biz these days anybody who claims a record of > any sort has got to be ready for that record to fall by the next > season, two years if they're lucky. Plus, with Holiday World, they're not really the records type. I mean, they're not Cedar Point! :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 20:16:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52292 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8F49A72 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <433B4398.4010000@earthlink.net> References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> <433B4398.4010000@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <83EF10A9-D385-43F9-B0B9-A062FA7D06AA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:16:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=sZF0uh6mRvckyzBL4NuSfVGELNmcUbzESrE_Qh1PNwzsbDSE X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > If anything, I think it may be a good fit to make up for some of the > mess that Kinda Ka has been. A good, fun, and reliable coaster. Ironically, that's what the rocket coasters should be! > From what little I've had a chance to see, I've really liked it. Yeah .. me too. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** The horses * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are on the track * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 28 20:17:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79891 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 03:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 03:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 03:17:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2F89A72 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:17:40 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> References: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <549B3BD8-E396-48ED-9048-4DB5497AC487@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:17:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=F2DUtxvBEjBWmssT0q7xCFpBvuzlglFWhQV2j2GT9D6gwKHa X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, >>> How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman >>> with a slightly different layout. >> >> It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the >> front >> seat..... > > you need to get out here to the states then and ride SheiKra. The > back > row is the place to be on it. :) SheiKra isn't inverted :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Sep 28 20:44:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12563 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 03:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 03:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 03:44:41 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j8T3ibt8023671 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:44:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B7C4DFA-5D4F-4A74-96B8-A0C29F2751E1@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:46:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=bqMJjBZ8VZEXu7dwVSFaQkAyaHtacLtubvUHcvYAmepkW_2j_Id- X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Wonder how Holiday World feels about losing their record steepest >> drop >> already? >> > > I think in the coaster biz these days anybody who claims a record of > any sort has got to be ready for that record to fall by the next > season, two years if they're lucky. HW didn't just lose... they got crushed... 76 vs. 66 degrees. There isn't too huge a height difference between the two, so it will be interesting to see which first drop will be better. But according to Ultimate Coaster, Nitro's first drop is 66 degrees, which I think is by far the best drop on any coaster out there (even better than Xcelerator or Kingda Ka)... so HW might have a winner. Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Sep 29 03:28:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32962 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 10:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 10:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 10:28:53 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKvel-0006au-ER for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <433BC1E7.9040303@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:28:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> <549B3BD8-E396-48ED-9048-4DB5497AC487@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <549B3BD8-E396-48ED-9048-4DB5497AC487@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47858fd6117bcadbe0bb04bc8b58097e4dfd7b413bf8d83b00e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=e-GePoyQqo9bk6adPQT0YToJCY1NZnazirqaAek9D-LYRwA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > >>> How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman > >>> with a slightly different layout. > >> > >> It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the > >> front > >> seat..... > > > > you need to get out here to the states then and ride SheiKra. The > > back > > row is the place to be on it. :) > > SheiKra isn't inverted :-) > Ahh, you're right. For some reason I thought he was talking about Oblivion, not Nemesis. duh! * slaps self in forehead while his kids watch and laugh * keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 29 05:33:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50926 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 12:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 12:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 12:33:27 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9C59A72 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:22 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <433BC1E7.9040303@earthlink.net> References: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> <549B3BD8-E396-48ED-9048-4DB5497AC487@buzzneon.com> <433BC1E7.9040303@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xDv-nsxmIspMPuDGFITq--Yi7490w-mST92SjL-2yaR3zgls X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >>>>> How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman >>>>> with a slightly different layout. >>>> >>>> It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the >>>> front >>>> seat..... >>> >>> you need to get out here to the states then and ride SheiKra. The >>> back >>> row is the place to be on it. :) >> >> SheiKra isn't inverted :-) >> > > Ahh, you're right. For some reason I thought he was talking about > Oblivion, not Nemesis. duh! It's OK, George .. we still love you! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Sep 29 05:59:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21160 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 12:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 12:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 12:59:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 12:59:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 12:59:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:59:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=SMrmlspUE8J0zO9LvouAoaly6hE9IoTCuXYpgznQ7o1ybvo77ghbM8g X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > Yep - but it will be a first for europe... > > It has a custom layout, that's the only first I can see about it. > RITA and Kannon both have hydraulic launches. > > Adam First one that launches to a "top hat" then... From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Sep 29 06:05:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36135 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 13:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 13:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 13:05:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 13:04:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 13:04:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:04:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <433B4264.6080501@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Thorpe parks mew coaster - track complete X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=ebl1iGb4DhiKPZUKaBNyt8ysn4VGPZ8Jmbxurn3BVuuRnp8GAVbJWR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > daniel_roachus wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone > > wrote: > > > > > How is Nemisis inferno? That looks like an awesome ride... Batman > > > with a slightly different layout. > > > > > > Mike > > > > It's pretty cool - but like all hanging coasters is best from the front > > seat..... > > > > you need to get out here to the states then and ride SheiKra. The back > row is the place to be on it. :) > Next march.... (although I notice that all riders get a good view.. not the case with nemesis or nemesis inferno....) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 10:15:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77064 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 17:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 17:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 17:15:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 17:13:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:13:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Good Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=P_DcTVZgrhZ4wy3KrOuOrqOldBmx0SIDO9ey5YpecIpxwrk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 29, 2005 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05092904.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Jackson, NJ -- Wood coasters look to be all the rage for the 2006=20 season after Six Flags announced that it would be adding El Toro to=20 its popular 6F Great Adventure amusement park in New Jersey. The news=20 comes 2 months after family-run Holiday World announced plans for The=20 Voyage to debut as another record-breaking wood coaster in May 2006.=20 El Toro will feature the world's steepest drop on a wood coaster,=20 while The Voyage comes packed with 24 seconds of airtime=20 weightlessness. The fact that next season's biggest thrills will be coming from=20 throwback wooden coasters is significant. Ever since Disney launched=20 its Matterhorn coaster in Disneyland, parks have relied on steel=20 coaster designs to twist riders to greater thrills. Steel has served=20 the regional amusement park industry well over the years. It's not a=20 matter of the ridiculous inverted maneuvers that are possible with=20 bendable steel. In fact, the 4 highest-rated steel coasters earning=20 Amusement Today's Golden Tickets awards for 2005 don't have a single=20 loop between them. It was steel's ability to provide smoother and=20 faster rides with bigger drops that captured the heart of many a=20 coaster enthusiast. Wood coasters offer a rougher, white-knuckled ride, but they don't=20 have the cumbersome seat restraints found on most looping steel=20 coasters. If the trend back toward wood coasters persists, many parks=20 may be due for a makeover. Cedar Fair's Cedar Point has portrayed=20 itself as an oasis of gargantuan steel coasters, with all but 2 of=20 its 16 coasters constructed mostly of steel. Wood coasters do require=20 a great deal of maintenance, but if that's what the public wants,=20 that's what they are likely to get. Earlier this month, CF lowered its guidance for 2005. The move was=20 based in part on an attendance decline at Cedar Point. This doesn't=20 mean that CF will now rush to add a record-setting wood coaster of=20 its own for the 2007 season, but it would certainly make sense. It=20 was 6FGA that wrestled away the record-breaking steel coaster crown=20 from CP this summer. Keeping the turnstiles clicking is important for any park, naturally,=20 but even more so for CF, whose investors have grown used to a steady=20 stream of fat distributions. The units yield 6.3% at the moment, and=20 the company's consistent operating history and knack for raising its=20 payouts earned it a nod as a recommendation in our Income Investor=20 newsletter service. CF has served its investors well by growing guest spending at its=20 parks and building out adjacent resorts. That can only take you so=20 far, though. It's too late for CF to break out a monster wood coaster=20 for the 2006 season, but will it deliver for 2007? Knock on wood. ------------ =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:40:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95434 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 17:40:38 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 63so13390wri for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.55.23 with SMTP id d23mr5000wra; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:35:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: RUMOR: Mount Olympus News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=V_3fYDNOSrEzTm6eWHcsjrcT0IjecFb_9iaJIS-_RCvI1L5_DeZb-E8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Hi all, This morning I head a radio advertisement for Mount Olympus. Near the end of the commercial, they mentioned a new "indoor theme park" opening this winter at Mount Olympus. Anyone know more? -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 10:59:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94371 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 17:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 17:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 17:59:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 17:58:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 17:58:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:58:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: RUMOR: Mount Olympus News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=leer1fFwss-hQSpcneIEaBBCc02Ek2ruS86S57lyZBOl_90 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate K." wrote: > Hi all, > > This morning I head a radio advertisement for Mount Olympus. Near the > end of the commercial, they mentioned a new "indoor theme park" > opening this winter at Mount Olympus. > Anyone know more? > -Nate They're promoting their new indoor Water Park. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 11:15:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62297 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 18:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 18:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 18:15:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 18:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 18:13:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 18:13:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:13:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney May Build Theme Park Near Seoul X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ikzDxkb5FeoETh__xOEUukn8gg2ErJ7UdRo6UmaescIdIH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 27, 2005 Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=3D10000080&sid=3Dabzqrc6qNVmE# Seoul, South Korea -- Walt Disney Co., the second-biggest U.S. media=20 company, is considering a theme park outside South Korea's capital,=20 Seoul Mayor Lee Myung Bak said, extending its reach in the world's=20 most populous continent. Seoul Metropolitan Government is in talks with Burbank, California- based Disney, said Lee, who made attracting a global operator one of=20 his campaign pledges in 2002. The park may help boost overseas=20 tourists visiting South Korea to more than 10-6 million now, he=20 said. "We've made significant progress on our plan to attract a world- class theme park near Seoul and may officially announce it early next=20 year," Lee said in an interview. Disney this month opened a theme park in Hong Kong and is considering=20 another attraction in Shanghai, as rising Asian incomes bring Mickey=20 Mouse merchandise, Donald Duck DVDs and theme park holidays within=20 reach of millions more children and adults. A near doubling of=20 tourist arrivals would help spur growth in South Korea, Asia's 3rd- largest economy. "If the park is built, it could help boost the=20 economy, especially consumer spending in the service sector, like=20 HK," said Lim Jiwon, senior economist at JP Morgan Chase & Co. in=20 Seoul. "It would be very good news for the Korean economy." Development Disney is considering building the venture at Seoul Grand Park in=20 Gwacheon, southern Seoul, said Jun Sung Soo, director of the foreign=20 investment division at the Seoul Metropolitan Government. He said no=20 details have been decided. HK Disney's Public Affairs Manager Esther Wong directed calls to the=20 company's U.S. headquarters. Lisa J. Haines, VP of Strategic=20 Communications for Walt Disney Parks & Resorts in Burbank, didn't=20 respond to a phone call and e-mail seeking comment. Disney, which opened the first of 2 theme parks in Tokyo in 1983 and=20 another in HK on Sept. 12, is in talks with the Chinese government=20 about building a DL facility in Shanghai after 2010, President Robert=20 Iger said on Sept. 9. HK's government spent $3 billion bringing attractions such as Space=20 Mountain and the Sleeping Beauty's Castle to the park, which=20 officially opened on Sept. 12. The government in HK expects the park will lure tourists and create=20 18,400 immediate jobs and another 17,400 by 2025. HK Financial=20 Secretary Financial Secretary Henry Tang has said the theme park will=20 generate HK$148 billion ($19 billion) in income over 40 years. Disney invested $316 million for its 43% stake in HKDL, about a 10th=20 of the park's total cost. Visitors Disney expects 5.6 million visitors to the HK park in its 1st year,=20 with about a 3rd coming from mainland China. That compares with 25=20 million last year at Disney's Tokyo resorts and 12.4 million in the=20 year through Sept. 30 at Disney's theme park outside Paris. Attracting more tourists to Korea would boost sales for=20 transportation companies, hotels and restaurants, helping the=20 government encourage consumer spending to lessen the economy's=20 reliance on exports for growth. Still, Disney's 4 existing and proposed Asian theme parks are all=20 within 4 hours flying time of Seoul, making it harder for South Korea=20 to attract sufficient visitors to justify the building costs. Euro Disney SCA, which operates Disney's European theme park near=20 Paris, changed its CEO 3 times in 5 years and refinanced its debts=20 twice in a decade after an expansion plan turned sour. A 2nd park built near the French capital in 2002 has failed to=20 generate enough additional revenue to cover costs or to lift theme- park attendance to the 16 million guests a year that the company had=20 projected. -------------- =A92005 Bloomberg L.P. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 11:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19756 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 18:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 18:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.160) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 18:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 81786 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2005 18:28:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050929182827.81784.qmail@web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:28:27 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: OP-ED: Good Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=LxSZUoXM6JzLgyjKR0JosHEaVWMe0TM1MW5_B1RcrrN9TEw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > CF has served its investors well by growing guest > spending at its > parks and building out adjacent resorts. That can > only take you so > far, though. It's too late for CF to break out a > monster wood coaster > for the 2006 season, but will it deliver for 2007? I don't get Motley Fool. It always seems to lambast Six Flags for spending too much money, but then in the same story talks about how Cedar Fair needs to spend more. Personally, I think it was very smart of Cedar Fair to expand thier core competancies and go into hotels and resorts. Longer stays mean more money spent at all thier facilities, it just seems like a smart way to do business. I am curious, has anyone heard what people were spending once inside of Cedar Point this year? I have heard a ton about the attendance drop, but honestly can't remember if per-caps were off dramatically or just gate numbers. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 12:20:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75789 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 19:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 19:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 19:20:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 19:20:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 19:20:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:20:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7524 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Black market for theme park tickets is dark side of Orlando tourism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qsrcCHbTuleYnr8gsW7cY-T7DqxbcTZ5tJYdcK6ZsiDFjEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 27. 2005 Associated Press The Herald Tribune http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050927/APN/509270501 By MIKE SCHNEIDER ORLANDO, Fl. -- Roberto Alvarez was jealous of the amount of time his=20 girlfriend spent with the head of a crime family that dealt in=20 millions of dollars of contraband, so he became a confidential=20 informant for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Not long after talking with the agents, the 38-y.o. Alvarez was shot=20 to death; his body was found in a pool of blood 15' from the bus he=20 drove in his job shuttling tourists to the theme parks. If it had been guns or drugs that Alvarez was snitching about, his=20 unsolved murder would have had a familiar ring. But, in an only-in- Orlando scenario, Alvarez was helping investigators track down theme=20 park tickets illegally purchased with fake or stolen credit cards. A black market for park tickets has grown up in this theme park mecca=20 with illegal transactions occurring every day in the heart of its=20 fantasy fueled tourist district. Detective Kelly Boaz of the Orange=20 County Sheriff's Office says illegal ticket sales is a multimillion=20 dollar business. "There is a lot of money out there in this type of=20 activity," said Boaz, who works in a 7-person special unit dedicated=20 to the theme parks. This underground market is an unintended consequence of annual ticket- price increases and the popularity of multi-day passes that have made=20 the tickets very valuable. A single-day ticket to a park costs almost=20 $60, while a 4-day park hopper, granting entry into all 4 Disney=20 parks in Orlando, can cost $220 a person. "The theme parks have=20 always been an incredible experience that some people treat as a=20 commodity," said Universal Orlando spokesman Tom Schroder. "So as=20 long as there have been theme parks and theme park tickets, there=20 have been people trying to take advantage of that." The black market also has been fueled by the proliferation of booths=20 selling discounted tickets in almost every major hotel and=20 restaurant, or in front of every tacky T-shirt shop, in Orlando's=20 tourist district. The number of booths has increased in recent years from several dozen=20 to 200 or 300. Many of the booths are run by timeshare companies that=20 use the tickets as an incentive to get tourists to see their=20 properties. They can rent for as much as $15,000 a month. "It's=20 getting tougher and tougher. There's a lot more competition," said=20 Fred Richard Pinner Jr., who operated a booth until recently. The area's major theme parks - Walt Disney World, Universal Orlando=20 and SeaWorld Orlando - often sell tickets discounted 10% off the gate=20 price to timeshare companies, AAA and other tourism-related=20 businesses. International tour companies get an even better deal from=20 the theme parks - as much as 20% off the gate price. But those 20%-off contracts are limited and highly coveted. So=20 companies with the international contracts, in violation of their=20 agreements with the parks, often sell their tickets to middlemen=20 ticket brokers or to booths that don't have the contracts and can't=20 get the discount. Those people then sell the tickets to the general=20 public. "It's all a big game out there," said Franklin Fox, who was=20 once described by law enforcement as the ringleader of illegal ticket=20 brokers. "Everybody knows what's going on." Law enforcement agencies have tried to stop black market ticket- brokers much like they would drug dealers. They've targeted street=20 level sellers in an effort to catch those higher up the chain.=20 They've used secret informants, surveillance and undercover agents=20 posing as illegal ticket scalpers or clueless tourists. "What we've=20 been doing for the last few years is plugging the dam, going after=20 the smaller dealers that we get to," Boaz said. "We have been trying=20 for the last few years to work our way up to higher folks, but=20 they've isolated themselves so well and have been under the radar for=20 so long, it was difficult." Some of the shady ticket dealers sell multi-day park tickets to tour=20 groups at discounted prices provided the groups bring back the passes=20 at the end of a single day. The passes are then resold at discount to=20 other tour groups the next day, which is a 2nd-degree misdemeanor for=20 a 1st-time offender under Florida law, punishable by up to 60 days in=20 jail and a $500 fine. Others, known by the police as "walkers," target tourists, most=20 likely foreigners who are perceived as gullible, near the ticket=20 booths at the theme parks. They then sell multi-day park passes that=20 have days already used up, Boaz said. "Many of the people at these=20 booths are reputable, but there's a small percentage that engage in=20 the resell of tickets," Schroder said. Fox operated several booths that sold tickets to tourists along the=20 busy tourist thoroughfares of International Drive and US-192, yet he=20 didn't have a contract with many of the parks. A close friend, who himself was caught in a sting operation last year=20 and agreed to cooperate with authorities, persuaded Fox to purchase=20 210 tickets that supposedly had been illegally printed by a worker=20 inside Universal Studios, according to court records. Fox, 70, took=20 the bait and was charged with 6 counts of dealing in stolen property.=20 Detectives seized $250,000 worth of theme park tickets from his=20 office. Fox pleaded no contest to 2 counts of petit theft late last year and=20 was sentenced to a year of probation, which was terminated in June.=20 He denied dealing in stolen tickets, calling his arrest a police set=20 up, and said he made a plea to avoid a trial. Alvarez started talking, off and on, with authorities in late 2000=20 about schemes run by Victor Aquino, who used fake or stolen credit=20 cards to purchase theme park tickets. The operation was made up of=20 Aquino's family members and associates who came from South Florida=20 and had roots in South America. It included Aquino's teenage son, Amin, known by friends for a love=20 of nightclubs and cocaine, who along with a former pizza cook, Mario=20 Locasio, would buy tickets with stolen or fake credit cards provided=20 by Victor Aquino. Aquino would then sell the tickets to Roberto=20 Alvarez's girlfriend, Marilu Clement, who then supplied brokers like=20 Franklin Fox, or different travel agencies, according to depositions=20 from Clement's criminal case. "Victor Aquino would hand her black=20 bags and stacks of Disney tickets and things like this, which I=20 thought was very suspicious and stuff," Locasio said in a 2003=20 deposition. Alvarez was gunned down in July 2001. The group's schemes fell apart=20 as members of the operation, one by one, were arrested in 2002. Clement, who currently is serving probation for fraud, claimed she=20 never knew the tickets were purchased with bad credit cards. Amin=20 Aquino was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison for fraud, while his=20 father, Victor, was sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison for trying to=20 run over a sheriff's deputy with a Mercedes. Alvarez's murder may be an extreme case, and authorities won't=20 comment on it since the case is still open and unsolved. "The=20 underlying fact of the investigation into his death indicates ...=20 that's the motive ... because he was informing for the FDLE,"=20 homicide investigator Richard Lallament of the Orange County=20 Sheriff's Office said in a 2003 deposition. "It was made to look like=20 a botched robbery but nothing is missing. It just doesn't make any=20 sense." ------------ =A9 Sarasota Herald-Tribune From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Sep 29 13:35:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60169 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 20:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 20:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 20:35:12 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so16236wri for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.1.20 with SMTP id 20mr5578wra; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.3 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:34:11 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RUMOR: Mount Olympus News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=-qRrKWSoBT3cG9pQFgj5KFJQweRJlVHWQnjCud44JLTK98wvXaK4WH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > They're promoting their new indoor Water Park. No, this is something new. The indoor waterpark is not new at all (it's actually at least five years old now). -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 14:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57707 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2005 21:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2005 21:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2005 21:55:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 21:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 21:55:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2005 21:55:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:55:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050929182827.81784.qmail@web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Good Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=wSFQ2J95mMD20rmKuwBIz63iyt4_e4ZHexk1S9_o6qXYx82yrg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > I am curious, has anyone heard what people were > spending once inside of Cedar Point this year? I have > heard a ton about the attendance drop, but honestly > can't remember if per-caps were off dramatically or > just gate numbers. > > Adam I don't know about year totals, but at least two quarterly reports stated that although attendance was down, but supposedly per cap spending was up about enough to make up the difference. Chris B From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 29 18:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89408 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8U1Z1GK011793 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007f01c5c55f$32f66260$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20050929182827.81784.qmail@web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:35:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Good Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Dij7gUE_U7qW9A4sMFfRrlrm5G1VxRDAV-12jYHd0LzjTwhJs3q2J4Yosw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Good Wood > > I don't get Motley Fool. It always seems to lambast > Six Flags for spending too much money, but then in the > same story talks about how Cedar Fair needs to spend > more. Actually, I think the focus of the comment in question was that Cedar Fair should look at spending more money on wooden coasters instead of giant steel giants like Millennium Force and Dragster, not that they are not spending enough money. > I am curious, has anyone heard what people were > spending once inside of Cedar Point this year? I have > heard a ton about the attendance drop, but honestly > can't remember if per-caps were off dramatically or > just gate numbers. I don't have any figures, but I seem to recall reading that per-caps were pretty much making up for most of the attendance drop. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 10:29:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92950 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 17:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 17:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 17:29:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 17:29:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 17:29:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:29:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Shishu Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FaAnraK089aGflm_XileET54coxedz4xcAkZwOsE_pr4vLI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 9/30/2005 Financial Express http://www.financialexpress-bd.com/index3.asp? cnd=9/30/2005§ion_id=23&newsid=2221&spcl=no Dhaka, Bangladesh -- Shishu Park, the country's first amusement centre for children, attracts a large number of visitors everyday. Its amusement rides draw children as well as their guardians to the park run and managed by Dhaka City Corporation (DCC). Its amusement items include merry-go-round, new trabant, wonder wheel, benkino train, roller skating, trampoline, battery car, chair tower and flower cup ride installed by Japanese technicians way back in 1979. Some 5500 visitors come to the park everyday on an average. The DCC earns about Tk 20 million (2 crore) annually from the park. With the growing competition with private amusement centres and parks, the DCC has felt the necessity to introduce new items to attract the visitors. There is a plan to install 16 rides in addition to the existing 12, and renovate the old items. Some children, specially the daredevils, enjoy the most thrilling rides. Often they enjoy the rides with their guardians unaware of it. Even reprimands from the most watchful parents cannot prevent them from sliding down or climbing up the rides. --------- Copy right @ financialexpress.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 10:34:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81849 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 17:34:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 17:33:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 17:33:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 17:33:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:33:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 861 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wanted - A world class tourist attraction for the city X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tdqqd2fMNz9go3vAlo4hLJYNmxLrARvsRWIv5Zzk0aiH9eM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 1, 2005 Illawarra Mercury http://www.illawarramercury.com/articles/2005/09/30/1127804660666.html By LAUREL-LEE RODERICK Wollongong, New South Wales, AU -- COULD Wollongong be the home of=20 the next Oceanworld, miniature Disneyland or Australia's Wonderland=20 amusement park? A Sydney developer spending $40million on 3 residential and tourist=20 developments in the city believes a major tourist attraction is the=20 one thing Wollongong lacks. Nicholas Daoud claims the city is being under sold, particularly to=20 visitors from Sydney, because there is no single attraction people=20 associate with the city. "Manly has Oceanworld, the Gold Coast has=20 Movie World and Sea World, while further south there is Jamberoo=20 Recreation Park," Mr Daoud said. "But what is in Wollongong for a family to come here from Sydney?" ---------- =A9 2005 Illawarra Mercury From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 11:07:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80446 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 18:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 18:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 18:07:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:04:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Kennywood trades thrills for chills at Fright Night X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WdqJsGHbMiZq1NQxr2Hpdvguw9NB6Jqqf3ICsSaJdQqr1oA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 30, 2005 The Daily News http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? BRD=3D1282&dept_id=3D553365&newsid=3D15306907&PAG=3D461&rfi=3D9 By BONNIJEAN COONEY ADAMS West Mifflin, PA -- A new haunted walk-through, the Villa of the=20 Vampires, can be found as patrons traverse the transformed murky=20 paths of Kennywood Park as Phantom Fright Nights officially return=20 for the Halloween season. Just getting into the park is a challenging experience, passing=20 through heavy fog, eerie figures and the Phantom, who stands guard=20 over his domain. Gone are the happy lights and music that greet patrons during spring=20 and summer months. Once through the parking lot and front gate, the=20 tunnel must be conquered before emerging on the fog-filled midway. Looking for the cotton candy cart? Instead you'll find an old hearse=20 where it normally stands. Then it's on to the villa, which replaces the old Creeper's Crypt in=20 the main arcade. Even non-Dracula fans will be sure to meet Renfield=20 and his bugs, bat caves, the Master's Lair and the other=20 accoutrements of the villa. "Amusement Today" has ranked Kennywood's annual after-season=20 experience the 3rd best Halloween event in the world. There is one strong warning, however. Park officials stress Phantom=20 Fright Nights is not recommended for children under 13. And for the=20 safety of guests, they are not permitted to wear masks, costume-style=20 makeup or costumes. Strobe lighting also will be used throughout the=20 park. Also, no food or beverages can be brought into the park during Fright=20 Nights. "After a summer of traditional amusement park fun, it's=20 energizing to shift gears," Kennywood GM Jerome Gibas said of Fright=20 Nights. "Combining the talents of so many people from various=20 departments, and working together to transform 'America's favorite=20 traditional amusement park' into one of the best haunted amusement=20 parks in the country is quite a project. "In addition to building 3 unique indoor mazes and 3 outdoor scare=20 zones, all the rides, games and eateries take on a haunted=20 appearance. This is truly an impressive creative undertaking for=20 everyone here," he said. Although all the park's rides won't be open, plenty will be,=20 appropriately transformed for Fright Nights. On the Gran Prix, for=20 example, one car may be filled with a skeleton. Patrons can get plenty of riding in on the Paratrooper, Wave Swinger,=20 Jack Rabbit, Pitt Fall, King Kahuna, Phantom's Revenge, Volcano,=20 Pirate Ship, Noah's Ark, Exterminator, Thunderbolt, Musik Express,=20 Aero 360, Skycoaster, Wipeout and Gran Prix. In addition to the new villa, other haunted walk-throughs are Terror=20 Vision 3D, Mortem Manor, Kennyville Cemetery, Gory Park and Fort=20 Despair. Food booths also will be open, with traditional summer offerings=20 taking on new names as appropriate to the scary season. So look for Fright Fries, Monster Dogs, Cotton Cobwebs, Brain=20 Freezes, Graveyard Pizza and Cemetery Sausage to satisfy those hunger=20 pangs. ------------- =A9The Daily News 2005 =A9 1995 - 2005 PowerOne Media, Inc. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Oct 01 09:30:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4051 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 16:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 16:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 16:30:11 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.1b9.1cf86f6e (15862) for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6433eb8ae3e4; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:26:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:26:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Message-ID: <433EB89A.6080701@aol.com> References: <3e81fb7b0418983bc23965f63ab70dda@law.wnec.edu> <38263.151.145.63.124.1127913446.squirrel@webmail.screamscape.com> <033601c5c45e$d94eb0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=karQIo6v1hOwpnWdEm7CuPTJQeXefcGBVIxanjLufV5eGdROqw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lance Hart wrote on 9/28/2005, 3:00 PM: > Wasn't there also talk of El Diablo for Raging Bull as well? I seem to > remember hearing about both at the time. Personally, I don't care for El > Toro as a name for such a huge wooden coaster. It just lacks "power" or > "personality" or even an intimidation factor that you would get from a > name > more like El Diablo or even Goliath, Kingda Ka, Colossus, or whatever... I agree. I don't care for the name either, and was really shooting for Jersey Devil. Butt, the ride does look awesome. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Oct 01 09:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93246 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 16:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 16:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 16:30:31 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.1ef.4549af4d (15865) for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9433eb92e1b1; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:28:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:28:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <433EB91A.4050208@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: El Toro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gZE_bKbwnY9-ecVsy6bsKB73wZGN7dO0xcSRMwzFoUANJlaEBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo adamnvillani wrote on 9/28/2005, 10:58 PM: > > Wonder how Holiday World feels about losing their record steepest drop > > already? > > I think in the coaster biz these days anybody who claims a record of > any sort has got to be ready for that record to fall by the next > season, two years if they're lucky. > > Adam Yeah, except this time it fell even before the first train rolled out of the station. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From raser@grics.net Sat Oct 01 09:46:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raser@grics.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26917 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 16:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 16:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO balin.grics.net) (64.40.95.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 16:46:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balin.grics.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E843163 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:44:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from balin.grics.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balin [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07954-02 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from robspc (216-166-240-33.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [216.166.240.33]) by balin.grics.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 681DB3118 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001c01c5c6a7$6e287370$020aa8c0@robspc> To: References: <20050929182827.81784.qmail@web34411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007f01c5c55f$32f66260$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net X-Originating-IP: 64.40.95.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Robert A. Scott" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Good Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149984687; y=Jd2E8bUVfZKlqm72C8uHS90QPjfZgLaKyJ8EhbtL1-D9SLnB-7nqCkyn X-Yahoo-Profile: raserindustries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per caps were way up at Cedar Point due to Castaway bay being included in that figure. CP has always added it's resort income as part of the parks "whole" package income... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Hart To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Good Wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Good Wood > > I don't get Motley Fool. It always seems to lambast > Six Flags for spending too much money, but then in the > same story talks about how Cedar Fair needs to spend > more. Actually, I think the focus of the comment in question was that Cedar Fair should look at spending more money on wooden coasters instead of giant steel giants like Millennium Force and Dragster, not that they are not spending enough money. > I am curious, has anyone heard what people were > spending once inside of Cedar Point this year? I have > heard a ton about the attendance drop, but honestly > can't remember if per-caps were off dramatically or > just gate numbers. I don't have any figures, but I seem to recall reading that per-caps were pretty much making up for most of the attendance drop. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 03 11:37:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50437 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 18:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2005 18:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 18:37:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2005 18:33:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2005 18:33:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:33:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Halloween Horror Nights Open At Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5qO63CxR86NtU6IcEXPYmyPKCsMhWmpw5h7nhOkTdwbhaaw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 3, 2005 WESH NewsChannel 2 Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/wesh/20051003/lo_wesh/2969094 Orlando, FL -- Universal Orlando is always looking for ways to lure=20 theme park guests through its gates, and one of the best ways it has=20 come up with is to scare the heck out of everyone. And it does so year after year, Halloween Horror Night after=20 Halloween Horror Night. "We give you the illusion of absolute terror=20 and chaos, but you're really safe," USO representative Jim Timon said. Rollins College psychologist Alicia Homrich said people who enjoy=20 being scared are risk-takers looking for a safe high, "as opposed to=20 the more risky things like skydiving or using illegal drugs or=20 engaging in chat rooms on the Internet," Homrich said. In it's 15th year, USO calls this year's HHN it's scariest ever, but=20 can they cross the line? "I don't think there is a line. Our guests=20 every year demand more and more and more of us. They want us to push=20 the envelope. They want us to get as scary as we possibly can and=20 take them to places they never have been. So far, we haven't found=20 the too-scary point. We'll keep pushing," Timon said. Disney's answer to HHN is Mickey's Not-So-Scary Halloween Party. It=20 opened Friday night and runs on select nights in October at the Magic=20 Kingdom. Kids can dress up and trick-or-treat in the park. Busch Gardens in Tampa is also in the scare business this time of=20 year. Their version is called Howl-O-Scream, and it runs Thursday=20 through Monday nights in October. ------------- =A9 2005 WESH NewsChannel2000.com =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 07:22:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40872 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 14:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 14:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 14:22:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 37719 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2005 14:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20051004142216.37717.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:22:15 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Halloween Horror Nights Open At Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=mbIxpxRTJx7-5KV6NNfv8Qd0Oea52_5NtjyETdk1KJ3e1waK X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > Orlando, FL -- Universal Orlando is always looking > for ways to lure > theme park guests through its gates, and one of the > best ways it has > come up with is to scare the heck out of everyone. Curse you Alan! I am planning on being in Orlando next week and we had decided to do a pretty much Disney-only honeymoon. I had completely forgotten about USO's vaunted Halloween event. I would have totally ignored it if you hadn't posted about it. Now I have to fanagle the soon-to-be-wifey into giving up one night to check the thing out. I should charge you the extra ~$150 that I'm gonna have to drop (not to mention the excessive grovelling) =]. lata, jeremy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 08:45:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55241 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 15:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 15:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 15:45:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:44:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Taman Mini offers Ramadhan special X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rBnS05YhF-z-VSKBIivx5VXhbSmEVQT9hq8E_PJYBBGCx9o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 04, 2005 The Jakarta Post http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailcity.asp?fileid=3D20051004.G06&irec=3D5 JAKARTA, Indonesia -- Taman Mini Indonesia Indah amusement park is=20 offering special treats to visitors during the month of Ramadhan that=20 begins Wednesday. Spokesman Markoes Legimin said on Monday the recreation center in East=20 Jakarta would organize a food bazaar for those who wanted to break=20 their fasts at the park. Organizers would also provide visitors with prayer equipment, run a=20 calligraphy fair and invite well-known religious clerics to speak. Visitors to the park on Saturdays and Sundays would also receive gifts=20 during the fasting month until two weeks after Idul Fitri, he said. ---------- =A9 The Jakarta Post From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 08:45:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56220 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 15:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 15:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 15:45:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:36:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:36:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051004142216.37717.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Halloween Horror Nights Open At Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wzNnX4kUhFwq7R07VuK3OcJtJ93ZHH8P0-zejzkpS9vH1Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jeremy, As if you needed another reason for her to grab onto you! ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris wrote: > --- Alan wrote: > > Orlando, FL -- Universal Orlando is always looking > > for ways to lure > > theme park guests through its gates, and one of the > > best ways it has > > come up with is to scare the heck out of everyone. > > Curse you Alan! I am planning on being in Orlando > next week and we had decided to do a pretty much > Disney-only honeymoon. I had completely forgotten > about USO's vaunted Halloween event. I would have > totally ignored it if you hadn't posted about it. Now > I have to fanagle the soon-to-be-wifey into giving up > one night to check the thing out. I should charge you > the extra ~$150 that I'm gonna have to drop (not to > mention the excessive grovelling) =]. > lata, jeremy From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 08:56:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82498 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 15:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 15:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 15:56:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:53:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:53:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:53:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Pavilion project's plans on hold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NCsW-W6XHo9CcdJLjLIn4XifD39iq99CQZ_s2MQFwmeSzBU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 04, 2005 The Sun News Myrtle Beach Online http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/128120 10.htm By Dawn Bryant Myrtle Beach, SC -- Everybody involved says redevelopment must happen in downtown Myrtle Beach, starting with The Myrtle Beach Pavilion Amusement Park. Problem is, nobody is stepping up to lead the effort. The project is facing another delay as the groups that have partnered to make it happen - park owner Burroughs & Chapin Co. Inc. and the city's Downtown Redevelopment Corp. - toss the main responsibility back and forth. Transforming the seasonal beachside area near the Pavilion into a year-round hub of activity has been a goal of Myrtle Beach leaders for years, but they have found little success. B&C's board of directors talked about the Pavilion last week and will hear a detailed plan later this month. "We understand that we need to keep moving," B&C spokesman Pat Dowling said. The DRC has tried to get B&C to take the lead on the project ever since the first Pavilion planner, Barry Landreth, resigned in January amid scrutiny of his finances and credentials. B&C has resisted the DRC's urging to steer the redevelopment, saying B&C will participate in the project but that it is not a priority. The latest hurdle: Who will pay Charleston consultant LS3P to come up with a plan? The DRC has backed away from chipping in $75,000 as it said it would, tossing the bill to B&C. But B&C doesn't want to do it alone. LS3P won't start working until the sides figure it out and sign the contract. B&C is working on a plan for all the stakeholders - the company, DRC, other property owners - to share the study's $144,000 cost. "Downtown redevelopment requires a group effort," Dowling said. "We are trying to structure it so there is something for everybody to do." The Pavilion project isn't a priority for B&C, which is starting new developments. The company has gone along with the idea for the past 4 years at the DRC's request. Since Landreth's departure, the DRC has pushed for redevelopment while backing away from leading the effort. The DRC asked B&C to guide the search for the next planner. B&C shied away from that responsibility but recommended consultant LS3P, which B&C is working with on a plan for the former Myrtle Square Mall site. The DRC approved LS3P. DRC Executive Director Dave Sebok still hopes to have a plan by the end of the year. The DRC will fund improvements on public property, such as sidewalks and roads, he said. Having B&C pick up the tab for the study would make working with the consultant easier, Sebok said. Meanwhile, property owners near the Pavilion have been watching from the periphery. B&C and the DRC want them involved in the planning - chipping in to cover study costs - but nobody has asked them directly. Many have been waiting for something to happen, putting off plans for their properties. "I've heard nothing," said Buz Plyler, owner of the Gay Dolphin Gift Cove. "We are just waiting. You can't do anything." Because the 58-y.o. park is so large and such a draw, what happens there affects the entire downtown. The park is one of the beach's most recognizable symbols, and some leaders aren't convinced it should go away. B&C hasn't said publicly it would move the Pavilion. It wants to see a plan for what would replace the park before deciding whether to move it. The study area has grown from the 11-acre amusement park to the park plus area on both sides, from Seventh Avenue North to Mr. Joe White Avenue. Now, it's back to just the park site, unless other business owners chip in. Leaders envision changes on the Pavilion site sparking a wave of new development in the city's amusement district. Initial ideas for the Pavilion property include a mix of lodging towers, shops, attractions and restaurants. "What [B&C] choose[s] to do with the property is of everybody's interest," Sebok said. "It's a key piece of property. I think they recognize the importance of it." --------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 09:07:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6918 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 16:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 16:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 16:07:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:58:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 15:58:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:58:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Western Playland Breach Of Contract? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gO-eUIROOJqiUV3upy1lXCZdkTSl_CVQB3-67XswuCQVkJc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 3, 2005 KFOX-TV http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/5053387/detail.html?rss=elp&psp=news El Paso, TX -- County commissioners are wondering why the owner of Western Playland is moving to Sunland Park, N.M., when there's close to 10 years left in the contract between El Paso County and the owner. "We read the newspapers and watch the news like everyone else and our understanding was this is the last ride on the Bandido or something or other they're shutting it down they're moving it to Westside," said County Commissioner Dan Haggerty. Haggerty and the rest of the court need to know the intentions of Pat Thomson, the owner of Western Playland Amusement Park. That's why they authorized the county attorney to send Thomson a letter asking about his intentions. "We're going to be downsizing here. When we started back in 1960 we started with 6 rides and that's what we're gonna go back to," said Pat Thomson the owner of Western Playland. Thomson says his plans for this location are still within the limits of the contract between him and the county. He says he knows the importance of the amusement park in El Paso, but he did what he had to do. "They've never let us work or do anything and expand. We've tried to expand for the city of El Paso, that's what they've wanted and they've held us back from doing it," said Thomson. Commissioner Haggerty says Western Playland is a great asset to El Paso County but he hopes everyone can abide by the contract. "We have a responsibility to the citizens of El Paso county, there's a contract in place, his intention may be to leave the rides that are there. As long as he complies with the terms of his contracts, we certainly have no heart burn over that," said Haggerty. Thomson says Western Playland will open again sometime next summer. Some of the rides he's planning to keep are the Tsunami, the go carts, the bumper cars and some kiddie rides. -------- Copyright 2005 by KFOX-TV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 04 09:13:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56322 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 16:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 16:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO UNKNOWN-66-94-237-18.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 16:13:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 16:12:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2005 16:12:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:12:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Zoomers amusement park nears completion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Q_hAY4IfI94WRo0Hn_y8oC_jF9u6yhY1EsWNDmv4MIgaizc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 2, 2005 THE NEWS-PRESS http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051002/BUSINESS/510020315/1075 By SUSAN ORR Fort Myers, FL -- Every time she and her family pass Zoomers=20 amusement park on Summerlin Road in south Fort Myers, Kerrie=20 Stephenson hears the questions from her children. "Every time we=20 drive by, it's 'Are they ever going to get finished?'" said=20 Stephenson, who has a 15-y.o. daughter, Sarah, and 12-.o., Tommy. "We live on Fort Myers Beach, and there's just nothing of that nature=20 here for us." Their wait is nearly over. The park, which has been in the works since 2002, could open by the=20 end of the year. "We're shooting for November," said Tim Miles, 58,=20 who is a partner in Zoomers along with Dr. Ron Heromin, an orthopedic=20 surgeon who lives in Sarasota. Phase I of the 18-acre park will include adult and children's go-kart=20 tracks, a small roller coaster, bumper boats, amusement rides for=20 small children, a rock-climbing wall, a bungee jump, an arcade, a=20 kids' lounge selling snacks and smoothies, party rooms, an upscale=20 deli and more. The 1st phase will take up 7.5 acres, and phase 2 could be more dry=20 attractions or a water park, depending on customer demand, Miles=20 said. "I've got a big-park background, and I've got a big-park=20 mentality," said Miles, a Cape Coral resident for 14 years. His=20 background includes work at Kings Island park in Cincinnati. "I'm going to be all things to all people." Many factors have delayed Zoomers' opening during the past 3 years. Miles started with 2 other partners. One of those partners quit the=20 project after his wife died in April 2004, Miles said. His current=20 partner, Heromin, is not one of the original partners. Then in August came Hurricane Charley and its fallout. "The hurricane=20 definitely put us way behind," Miles said. The construction company that had started on the project went out of=20 business last August, Miles said, and it was January before he found=20 Anchor Group to be the replacement contractor. "With the hurricane,=20 there was nobody to do any work," Miles said. Then, during the gap, Miles said, some of his construction permits=20 lapsed and he had to reapply for them. But Miles said things are moving forward now, and if the inspections=20 process moves as planned, he is hopeful of opening by year's end. Miles declined to say how much he and his partner have invested in=20 Zoomers other than to say it's in the millions. Because the delays translated into extra expenses it likely will take=20 a bit longer than anticipated before the park starts turning a=20 profit, Miles said. "We'd like to see a profit in year or 2." One unknown factor for Miles is Florida's year-round business climate. His park experience has been in northern states with seasonal=20 operations. Zoomers will have the opportunity for more customers, but=20 also higher operating expenses. "I don't know how to read it," Miles=20 said. In anticipation of opening, Miles is already working on marketing=20 Zoomers. He has a full-time salesperson who will focus on group sales, among=20 other things. Zoomers will have an outdoor restaurant, shelters and catering=20 facilities that can accommodate large groups, Miles said, and he=20 hopes that 35-40% of the park's business will be through group sales =97 company gatherings and picnics. Miles also plans an advertising campaign, including billboards that=20 should go up within weeks. Zoomers will be a welcome addition to the area, said D.J.=20 Petruccelli, president of the Fort Myers Beach chamber of commerce. This will be the only thing that's oriented toward kids at all,=20 Petruccelli said. "We've been waiting for something like this for a=20 long time,'' he said. "It's been needed very badly." Stephenson, for one, said her family is ready for Zoomers. "We'll be=20 anxious to check it out, absolutely,'' she said. "My son is already=20 anticipating (having) his next birthday party there." ---------- Copyright 2005 , The News-Press From lance@screamscape.com Tue Oct 04 09:58:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86505 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j94GwHGK010905 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <041401c5c904$d3aa1b40$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20051004142216.37717.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:58:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Halloween Horror Nights Open At Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ovATwGQH3oJUInkZyGJoOg1-8SpVTeOYK5JQh8I-qXzbrhYlQ6yMiw2OkA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Curse you Alan! I am planning on being in Orlando > next week and we had decided to do a pretty much > Disney-only honeymoon. I had completely forgotten > about USO's vaunted Halloween event. I would have > totally ignored it if you hadn't posted about it. Now > I have to fanagle the soon-to-be-wifey into giving up > one night to check the thing out. Disney closes early enough most nights, so it shouldn't be hard to "give up" a night to see it. It's worth it, though you may not have time for more than the hauntes mazes and Bill & Ted show. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 04 13:34:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8988 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 20:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 20:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 20:34:51 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMtUx-0006ka-IW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4342E76B.20706@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:34:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f6e4e17e0959e49405e50933fa48df3d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Pavilion project's plans on hold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9SXVV8W0hPeA9oqO150ZHvrBDAHGOy2Deowg5lkehyjxujA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alright, this article really helped to leave me totally confused about what's happening with this. Key points for me: Alan wrote: > > Myrtle Beach, SC -- Everybody involved says redevelopment must happen > in downtown Myrtle Beach, starting with The Myrtle Beach Pavilion > Amusement Park. > > Problem is, nobody is stepping up to lead the effort. And also > Because the 58-y.o. park is so large and such a draw, what happens > there affects the entire downtown. The park is one of the beach's > most recognizable symbols, and some leaders aren't convinced it > should go away. B&C hasn't said publicly it would move the Pavilion. > It wants to see a plan for what would replace the park before > deciding whether to move it. Alright, so can anyone tell me then why the heck they're wanting to essentially level the park and put who knows what there? Supposedly someone there knows they need to, but they don't say why. And now not everyone is convinced. The park is a big draw (which doesn't surprise me based on my visit there last year). They don't know if they'll move it or get rid of it totally. Forgive me if this whole thing based on what little I know seems utterly stupid. If they've got something there that's a major draw to the area already, why the heck do they want to get rid of it? I can understand wanting to make it a year round draw, but I'm not sure that area would be anyways. It just seems cheaper, and wiser, to put some investment into what is already there rather than keep going through this circus of confusion and waste and spend far more for something that nobody really has any clear clue what the heck it is they're really doing. So can anyone clear up this mess for my muddled brain? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 04 13:40:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41471 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 20:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2005 20:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 20:40:43 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMtZy-0002SD-Pq for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4342E8A4.5070005@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:40:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f1b20c44c528f95561b19a5aa0fa88ceb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Western Playland Breach Of Contract? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=aBWl_vsEwtyLMbqwoOEFN2PTrPJgYDSDEMf_zEvOHoQBGAU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > El Paso, TX -- County commissioners are wondering why the owner of > Western Playland is moving to Sunland Park, N.M., when there's close > to 10 years left in the contract between El Paso County and the > owner. "We read the newspapers and watch the news like everyone else > and our understanding was this is the last ride on the Bandido or > something or other they're shutting it down they're moving it to > Westside," said County Commissioner Dan Haggerty. > Guess they don't read those papers very well then, since it's been spelled out pretty clearly in them. Heck, I don't have any confusion at all about what's going on there. Maybe this is an attempt to cover their sleeping during the meetings where the park owner was trying to get them to allow him to improve the park? :P > That's why they authorized the county attorney to send Thomson a > letter asking about his intentions. "We're going to be downsizing > here. When we started back in 1960 we started with 6 rides and that's > what we're gonna go back to," said Pat Thomson the owner of Western > Playland. > > Thomson says his plans for this location are still within the limits > of the contract between him and the county. He says he knows the > importance of the amusement park in El Paso, but he did what he had > to do. "They've never let us work or do anything and expand. We've > tried to expand for the city of El Paso, that's what they've wanted > and they've held us back from doing it," said Thomson. Seems spelled out pretty clearly there, and it's not the first time I've seen that. If you don't allow a business to improve itself and grow, then what are they expecting him to do? > > Commissioner Haggerty says Western Playland is a great asset to El > Paso County but he hopes everyone can abide by the contract. "We have > a responsibility to the citizens of El Paso county, there's a > contract in place, his intention may be to leave the rides that are > there. As long as he complies with the terms of his contracts, we > certainly have no heart burn over that," said Haggerty. Heh, something tells me that Haggerty isn't going to have much of a heartburn about what happens to Playland, regardless. I don't know, do you think he might worry a bit more if it would affect his chances for reelection? Sorry, just in a cranky, war-path like mood right now. :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 01:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83016 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 08:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 08:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO UNKNOWN-66-94-237-18.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 08:12:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.94.237.60] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 08:10:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by s4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 08:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by s4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 04:42:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 04:42:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:42:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4342E8A4.5070005@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Western Playland Breach Of Contract? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=PSnKvlmaafuihoEdjxKI-ZTBS5Ym_bAtVXcszpYVXmpGLYOj-w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Commissioner Haggerty says Western Playland is a great asset to El > > Paso County but he hopes everyone can abide by the contract. "We have > > a responsibility to the citizens of El Paso county, there's a > > contract in place, his intention may be to leave the rides that are > > there. As long as he complies with the terms of his contracts, we > > certainly have no heart burn over that," said Haggerty. > > Heh, something tells me that Haggerty isn't going to have much of a > heartburn about what happens to Playland, regardless. I don't know, do > you think he might worry a bit more if it would affect his chances for > reelection? > > Sorry, just in a cranky, war-path like mood right now. :P > > keep on ridin' > George No problem here, George. Sadly, it seems those of us reading about rollercoasters have been paying more attention to what's going on in this little corner of El Paso than those folks actually elected to office in that town. Chris B (Also in a cranky mood right now.) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 08:36:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79982 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 15:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 15:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 15:36:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 15:32:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 15:32:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:32:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xL9mVN0129eDiMTEx1UIsn9mP99PrMuE0ZGqvsG0SeDk5k8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 5, 2005 The Toledo Blade By JON CHAVEZ SANDUSKY, OH -- Hurt by 2 years of sagging attendance at its flagship=20 Cedar Point amusement park here, Cedar Fair LP said it may lower=20 admission prices for 2006. A decision on prices - including the bellwether $45 gate admission=20 for visitors age 3 and over - hasn't been made. But Stacy Frole, head=20 of investor relations, said the company is studying the matter and=20 will decide within 2 months. "Gas prices and the economy have become=20 a problem," she said. "We can't do anything about that but we can=20 help people in other ways." Robert Routh, an analyst with Jefferies & Co. in New York and a CF=20 stockholder, said lower admission prices may be best for the company,=20 its shareholders, and customers. What CP loses in gate admission could be made up in volume and in=20 spending for food, concessions, or at the firm's hotels and other out- of-park sites, he said. "This makes a tremendous amount of sense to=20 do," he added. The admission-price issue arises after years of insistence by company=20 officials that the park is recession-proof, that people on tight=20 budgets would forgo longer vacations but still would visit a place=20 like CP that is within a day's drive or less. Also, Richard Kinzel, CEO of CF, told The Blade in August that=20 admission prices at the company's amusement and water parks=20 nationwide were not too high despite lagging attendance this year. But last month, he told another newspaper the company "might have out- priced ourselves in the marketplace" and needed to take steps to halt=20 further decreases in attendance. CF, which raised its admission price by $1 this year, has said its=20 attendance at CP was down 2% in August from last year and was down 4%=20 in July from last year. Visitor numbers were off 4% last year from the year before at the=20 park on Lake Erie in Erie County. CF officials have blamed the drop in visitors patrons this year in=20 part on the hot weather, which made for unpleasant conditions for=20 waiting in line for rides. Mr. Routh, the analyst, said the weather=20 may have played into it, as well as the proliferation of video games=20 and other leisure activities for children. But surveys done in the past few weeks indicate that gas prices and=20 the economy have become an issue for park-goers, a reversal of=20 findings in earlier surveys, Ms. Frole said. CP has a general admission price, special pricing for active military=20 members, and a half-price admission beginning at 5p.m. In mid-August, the park priced admission for the rest of the season=20 at $10 for people age 62 and older and for children at least age 3=20 but less than 48 inches tall. "What we're finding is with the seniors=20 and juniors is there are a lot of grandparents who want to take their=20 kids to the park and they enjoy the shows and the park but they are=20 there mainly to enjoy spending time with the family," Ms. Frole said. ----------- =A9 2005 The Blade From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 09:07:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76964 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 16:07:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:06:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:06:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 6180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Halloween morphs into monthlong fete at theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1iHDcty5MVpmfG0kWfIa_POl5pMi9L9ik5Z-WLTgIwWNzuw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 10/05/2005 07:07:00 AM=20=20 Associated Press Inside Bay Area http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_3088845?rss By Mike Schneider ORLANDO, Fl -=97 Dave Surgan dropped into a crouch, then leaped into=20 the air and let out an eardrum-rupturing yelp. His imitation of a crazed monkey during a recent audition at=20 Universal Studios Orlando helped him land a job frightening some of=20 the hundreds of thousands of visitors who will come to be scared, be=20 very scared, at the theme park resort's multimillion-dollar Halloween=20 celebration this Oct. "Once, they had to call the paramedics because=20 a girl started hyperventilating," said Surgan, 22, who in the past 5=20 years has worked as a crazed chain saw operator and a mutated=20 dinosaur at the park's monthlong Halloween Horror Nights, now in its=20 15th year. Not so long ago, Halloween was merely a 1-day holiday, observed=20 primarily by kids dressed in fake blood, plastic teeth, ballerina=20 tutus or superhero costumes, who traipsed from door-to-neighborhood=20 door dragging pillowcases full of candy. Not anymore. Over the past 5=20 years or so, the nation's $11 billion amusement park industry has=20 appropriated the holiday as its own, helping transform Halloween into=20 a monthlong celebration. "If there are still theme parks out there=20 that aren't celebrating it, they need to get their heads examined,"=20 said James Zoltak, editor of Amusement Business, a trade=20 publication. "It's a moneymaker, almost universally." Although the IAAPA keeps no figures, industry experts estimate that=20 millions of people go to Halloween celebrations at parks around the=20 nation, generating tens of millions of dollars in extra revenue for=20 them.=20 For Terri Lacroix, the appeal of the Halloween celebrations comes=20 from the adrenaline rush she gets anticipating where the next=20 grotesquely masked figure is going to jump out at her in the confined=20 space of a haunted house. "I don't like roller coaster rides but I=20 love scary movies. This is my adrenaline rush," said Lacroix, 35, an=20 Orlando catering manager, as she exited "The Skool" haunted house at=20 USO's Halloween Horror Nights. Nationwide, Halloween has grown by leaps & bounds as a holiday, and=20 this year consumers were expected to generate $3.3 billion in=20 Halloween spending, according to the National Retail Federation.=20 Celebrations also have spread abroad to amusement parks in places,=20 such as Mexico and Brazil, without strong Halloween traditions. "One=20 of the things we know is that this is a worldwide trend. It's not=20 just in the U.S.," said Beth Robertson, a spokeswoman for the=20 amusement park association. The parks' embrace of Halloween has been for economic reasons as much=20 as creative ones. Before Southern California's Knott's Berry Farm=20 became the 1st park with a major Halloween celebration 33 years ago,=20 most regional theme parks closed their gates soon after Labor Day. Halloween gave the regional parks an extra incentive to extend the=20 season longer and offered the year-round destination parks in Orlando=20 and Los Angeles a marketing tool to get people through their gates=20 during what traditionally was a slow period. "People just love to be=20 immersed in a frightening Halloween experience. They love giving up=20 that control," said Jim Timon, senior vice president of entertainment=20 at USO, who helps plan the park's Halloween Horror Nights. KBF in 1973 began with just some scary decorations and a few=20 dozen "monsters" lurking in the fog to jump out at unsuspecting=20 guests. This year, the celebration will have 12 mazes, 5 "scare=20 zones," 6 live shows and encounter over 1,000 "monsters" roaming the=20 property. The Halloween celebration accounts for about 15% of the=20 park's annual business, attracting 500,000 people from as far away as=20 Germany, said Jennifer Blazey, a spokeswoman for KBF. "We were the=20 first and there are a lot of copycats out there now," she said. Busch Gardens Williamsburg in Virginia started its Howl-O-Scream=20 celebration in 1999 with 2 attractions and 3 shows that operated over=20 3 weekends in October. This year, the Halloween celebration started=20 in mid-September with 5 haunted houses, 4 "scare zones," 5=20 attractions and 8 shows and also accounts for 15% of the park's=20 annual attendance. "It's a good business for us, doing it now for 7=20 weekends," said Diane Centeno, a spokeswoman for the park which=20 closes after Halloween. The parks vary in scare intensity from the child-friendly mellowness=20 of trick-or-treating with Disney characters at Walt Disney World to=20 the more R-rated anxieties generated by the "Slash" show at Worlds of=20 Fun in Kansas City, which is geared toward teenagers and young=20 adults. "'Slash' is kind of edgier, a magic show with a lot of gore=20 and blood, people cut in half," said Nick Guevel, a spokesmen for=20 WoF, which started developing a scary Halloween celebration 3 years=20 ago. Creatively, theme and amusement parks are well-positioned to handle=20 the wild special effects that celebrants have come to expect from=20 Halloween. Some park officials such as USO's Timon, spend 11 months=20 planning for the Halloween celebrations. Timon and a handful=20 associates lock themselves in a hotel room each Dec. to plot out=20 concepts for the following year. "For theme parks to become involved=20 in Halloween, it's kind of a natural fit because it's something that=20 is so easily translated into a live experience," said Timon. "We're=20 able to take what you expect the Halloween experience to be and blow=20 it up a thousand times." This year, the nation's theme and amusement parks are counting on=20 successful Halloween celebrations more than ever as a season of great=20 promise in the spring gave way to what is expected to be flat=20 attendance for the year because of the hurricanes and high gas=20 prices. "Everybody is really gearing up for it, particularly because=20 of the fuel crisis and the weather," said Dennis Speigel, president=20 of International Theme Park Services Inc., a consulting firm. "The=20 parks are putting a heavy emphasis on it, so they can help generate=20 the numbers that will help pick up some of the drop they've seen in=20 late Aug. and early Sept." ----------- =A9 2005 ANG Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 09:22:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32696 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 16:22:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:21:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:21:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Great American Family Parks CEO Issues Letter to Shareholders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=K7k9hiQd3OmX2f7RnHT7JcrASQiZ1ghXOsyQMKsrEP6m0BM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 5, 2005 Press Release Source: Great American Family Parks, Inc.=20 Yahoo! Finance PRNewswire http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051005/law067.html?.v=3D24 BOISE, Idaho -- Great American Family Parks, Inc., a company focused=20 on aggregating profitable regional theme parks in the U.S., issued=20 today a letter from President and CEO Dr. Larry Eastland. Dear Fellow Shareholder: As the CEO of GAFP, I am pleased to provide you with a progress=20 report on your company. I am excited for you to be a shareholder of=20 GAFP at a time when we believe we may realize strong corporate growth. We believe GFAP is the only public company on the market today=20 focused on acquiring regional entertainment/amusement parks=20 nationwide. The potential of owning 10 regional parks is the=20 equivalent of owning 1 international theme park, the only difference=20 being that multiple parks tend to diversify investment risk while=20 having the potential of maximizing potential returns. By aggregating=20 parks into a public company, we believe that we will have the=20 opportunity to infuse equity for additional expansion, while=20 potentially leveraging our centralized management, unified branding,=20 cost and operational efficiencies, and economies of scale to create a=20 family of profitable parks. Our first major acquisition is accretive to earnings. Our first=20 acquisition, Wild Animal Safari, Inc., is located as an easily=20 accessible 1-hour drive time from Atlanta, GA, as well as Columbus,=20 GA and Montgomery and Birmingham, AL. WAS is one of the few remaining=20 animal parks in America where visitors can experience more than 1,500=20 animals 'up close and personal.' With nearly $2 million in annual=20 revenues, earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and=20 amortization (EBITDA) of $900,000 and bottom-line profits in 2004,=20 WAS has displayed an excellent growth pattern, including consistent=20 profitability, throughout its 14-year operating history, which I=20 believe will continue. Destination "day trips" are a high-growth market niche. According to=20 a Pricewaterhouse Coopers Theme Park Study, theme parks outperformed=20 the movie industry by almost $3 billion. The study reports that=20 regional parks are fast becoming mini-destination resorts as growth=20 in day trips are offsetting declines in international and domestic=20 travel. The study further reported that this trend is expected to=20 create an $8.3 billion regional theme park industry in 5 years. Park admission revenues are just the beginning for GAFP. We=20 anticipate creating multiple revenue streams from food and beverage=20 concessions, merchandising and multimedia offerings to new, live=20 attractions across a growing family of parks. We recently acquired=20 nationally branded food franchises, Noble Roman's Pizza and Tuscano's=20 Italian Subs, to provide us with what we anticipate will be a=20 distinct advantage to capture consumer dollars. Strengthening Financials. Consolidated sales of $6,365,000, EBITDA of=20 $634,000 and net income of $191,000 for the year ended Dec. 31, 2004=20 were generated from WAS, and the Company's long-standing Crossroads=20 Convenience Center retail business. Now, together under GAFP, these=20 businesses are growing revenues above 15% per year. We look forward to sharing each positive development as we continue=20 to execute our plan for growth. Should you have any specific=20 questions or for more information, please contact Rick McCaffrey at=20 our investor relations firm OTC Financial Network, 781-444-6100 ext.=20 625; email rick@otcfn.com or visit http://www.otcfn.com/gfam/ and=20 http://www.weloveparks.com for future updates. As always, we sincerely thank you for your interest and continued=20 support in GAFP. With best regards, Larry L. Eastland, Ph. D. President and CEO Great American Family Parks, Inc. About Great American Family Parks GAFP is focused on buying and managing profitable regional theme=20 parks and themed amusement attractions in the U.S. By building a=20 family of parks each with up to 1 million annual attendees, GAFP is=20 in the process of developing a series of compatible, yet distinct=20 entertainment and amusement products, including themed amusement=20 parks, associated products, food and beverage, and multimedia=20 offerings. ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 09:43:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87787 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 16:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 16:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 16:43:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:41:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:41:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:41:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Rainbow Valley theme park ends 'emotional ride' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NUDJ9X0FxZRlxsxMVhlq27bnaIoCMlGMp4I8-MM_iX_hlC4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 5, 2005 The Ottawa Citizen Canada.com http://www.canada.com/maritimes/news/story.html?id=3Deda378bf-960a-4eb2- b95d-865d199c2f81 by Charles Mandel Cavendish, Prince Edward Island, Canada -- In the market for a=20 slightly used flying saucer? How about a witches' cave or hillbilly=20 cabin? These are among the assets for sale from Prince Edward Island's=20 recently closed and much-loved Rainbow Valley theme park, named after=20 one of the lesser novels by Lucy Maud Montgomery. "It hasn't been=20 easy," said park owner Earl Davison of winding down the=20 attraction. "It's been an emotional ride." The announcement in April that Parks Canada had purchased the 15.8- hectare park site for $2.3 million triggered a volley of protests=20 across Canada, including a 12,500-name online petition. More than 5-=20 million people have visited the park since it opened more than 30=20 years ago. Rainbow Valley closed its doors for good in early Sept. Friday is the last day for proposals for the assets, which must be=20 bought as 1 package. Davison said he's had very little solid interest=20 in the kitschy buildings and rides. This means it's likely Matthew Jelley will become the proud owner of=20 the Castle Gift Shop, flume waterslide and tower, swinging bridge and=20 other RV infrastructure. Jelley put the finishing touches on a bid proposal for the assets=20 yesterday. Along with his brother, Mark, and several other investors,=20 Jelley owns 4 theme parks in New Brunswick and P.E.I. Shortly after RV announced it would be closing, Jelley expressed=20 interest in opening a water park across the road. He's still waiting=20 to hear about financing, and said the cost of the new park would be=20 significant. The proposed park would feature RV-style attractions, including=20 waterslides, a petting zoo and a storybook forest geared toward=20 younger children. If his bid is successful, however, Jelley will keep the flying=20 saucer, an iconic building from RV's fabled history. The b/w=20 spaceship with landing ramp-like stairs leading to its interior=20 doubled as a gift shop and was the first building installed in the=20 park in 1969. University of P.E.I. history professor Edward MacDonald said the rise=20 of the park coincided with the development of the tourism industry on=20 P.E.I., and with the promotion of Ms. Montgomery's Anne of Green=20 Gables. Parks Canada will spend about $3 million developing the property,=20 including making the existing parking lots available to national park=20 visitors and adding trails to the area. --------- =A9 The Ottawa Citizen 2005 =A9 2005 CanWest Interactive From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 09:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94795 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 16:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 16:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:50:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:50:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:50:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Heart-Stopping Creeps Blood-Chilling Shrieks Big $$$ Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4pu8aRNdWhg2UF7wEtFLooBKOUWyd_p8laAw-g2PdznQIVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 4, 2005 The Tampa Tribune http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBTPKNGDEE.html By RANDY DIAMOND TAMPA, FL -- Halloween may be 4 weeks away, but the ghosts are out in=20 full force at the Lowry Park Zoo, Busch Gardens and the Orlando area=20 theme parks, bringing in lots of revenue during a normally slow time=20 of the year. Lowry Park started ZooBoo, its separate-admission, Halloween-themed=20 night program on Sept. 24. Other theme parks opened their events by=20 last weekend. Why so early? Success breeds success as haunted houses and outdoor=20 scare zones draw tens of thousands to once-empty parks. It's no=20 different than Oktoberfest in Munich, Germany, which over the years=20 has gone from a several-day event to a monthlong celebration, says=20 Abe Pizam, dean of the Rosen College of the Hospitality Management at=20 University of Central Florida in Orlando. "If you have a successful=20 event, you try to expand it," he said. The nonprofit Lowry Park Zoo estimates it will bring in $500,000 from=20 ZooBoo, the park's biggest fundraiser of the year, says spokeswoman=20 Tricia Rothman. The zoo bills ZooBoo as a family event and has turned it from a small=20 affair 16 years ago with volunteers to a full-scale event with=20 several haunted houses. Rothman could not say how much it costs to produce the event. But Pizam said the events cost relatively little compared to adding a=20 major attraction that can cost major theme parks tens of millions of=20 dollars. Pizam estimates Universal, which along with Busch Gardens hosts the=20 most elaborate Halloween events in Central Florida, spends no more=20 than $5 million. He said some of the same props can be used year=20 after year. "They can recoup their investment after being open a=20 couple of days," he said. Not only do the parks charge a separate admission to their Halloween=20 events, which can amount to more than $55 for a full-priced ticket at=20 a major theme park, but they also put a heavy emphasis on alcohol=20 sales. An exception is Disney, which holds the more youth-oriented=20 Mickey's-Not-So-Scary holiday party. This year's Lowry Park ZooBoo also has a more adult emphasis for the=20 first time. Rothman said park officials decided to make 1 haunted=20 house scarier and to add an outdoor trail after exit surveys last=20 year revealed that 44% of the guests were adults without children. Still, the zoo's event won't feature blood and other more graphic=20 displays that have become part of the adult-oriented Halloween night=20 events at Busch and Universal, Rothman said. Busch and Universal officials say they aim for an adult audience that=20 wants to be scared in an edgy but ultimately safe environment. ------- =A92005, Media General Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 10:00:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4647 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 17:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 17:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 17:00:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:57:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 16:57:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:57:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Likely To Decide On Theme Park In S.Korea Next Year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YNoO005hT1epdGYDEcf9yllBbuFNfXnGqsCPFGlFOj3lH2k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 30, 2005 Yahoo! Australia & NZ Asia Pulse http://au.news.yahoo.com/050930/3/w5rr.html SEOUL, S.K. -- Walt Disney Co. is reviewing the marketable value of a=20 theme park it is considering building just outside Seoul, and the=20 decision will likely be made early next year, city officials=20 suggested Friday. "The review has continued since early last year," a=20 Seoul city official on investment planning said, requesting anonymity=20 because of the uncertainty of the Disney plan.=20 "Disney has usually taken about 2 years to review the marketability=20 in other countries... It has been said the review here has been=20 favorable so far," he said. Gwacheon, a city just 18-km south of Seoul, has gained extra points=20 because of the increasing flow of Asian tourists who visit the=20 country to see Korean drama and film locations, Seoul officials said.=20 Gwacheon would be an easy spot for Asian tourists, as well as locals,=20 to drop by as part of their itinerary, they said. Meanwhile, Disney said it now has "nothing specific to announce." South Korea is a potentially attractive market for Disney but the=20 company has no definite plans yet, spokeswoman Lisa Haines said in a=20 telephone interview with Yonhap News Agency. Gwacheon, linked to the capital by its subway system and highways, is=20 also the home of Seoul Grand Park and the government complex. ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Australia & NZ Pty Limited =A9 1998-2001 Asia Pulse Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 05 10:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6869 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 17:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2005 17:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 17:02:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 17:02:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2005 17:02:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:02:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Pontiac Council hears water park plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LHfOzU2g_OEOwZ-eOqskMXDU2w8V5GckxZysJ86KmkIUGsA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 4, 2005 Pantagraph http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/100405/new_20051004008.shtml By Karen Walters PONTIAC, IL -- A future water park in Pontiac could have 3 water=20 slides, a lazy river and a Route 66 theme. The Pontiac City Council heard a presentation Monday from Sara=20 Stotmeister of Burbach Aquatics about the company's ideas for an=20 aquatic center. "Pools have come a long way from the industrial feel=20 of the pool with 8' of concrete and chain-link fence," she said. The plans include 4 bodies of water, a sand area and a bathhouse=20 resembling an old-time gas station. The facility could use 4 acres=20 and cost about $6 million to build, depending on what options are=20 added. The council took no action on the information. Over the next few=20 months, the council will review the presentation and have further=20 discussions that will include location and funding. "It's the first=20 time any of us have seen the plans," Mayor Scott McCoy said. "We have=20 to think about it and come up with our thoughts." The city has been looking into a new swimming facility since 2003,=20 when it closed the 80-y.o. Camp-Humiston Pool because it was beyond=20 repair. Stotmeister said the proposal is unlike any other water park ever=20 done by the company. She said the facility will attract people from=20 all over the area. The proposal is designed to have a little more than 1,000 people use=20 it at the same time. Stotmeister said the facility is designed to=20 break-even on costs. 9 sites were reviewed as possible locations, Stotmeister said. The=20 plans recommend either a location by the Rec Plex on the south end of=20 town or an industrial site off of Deerfield Road, south of SR-116. Stotmeister said the sites would both need to be raised with dirt,=20 but the Rec Plex site would need a larger water main. The 4 bodies of water include a pool for swimming laps and diving=20 boards. The pool could be used for swim meets. Another shallow pool would be in the children area, which would be=20 surrounded by water toys, including an antique squirting gas pump and=20 a 1950 Pontiac convertible slide. ---------- =A9 2005, Pantagraph Publishing Co. From onhisown@comcast.net Wed Oct 05 19:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97068 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20051006020247011009e96fe>; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:02:47 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c5ca19$f5bbdcd0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:02:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark O." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=WaD0N955EhjNBh5Ynm6g9EhMkNIE-7Icxt8b2HXjRfexDxE1CvU X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 We visited CP in July for three days and would have hated to see the crowds any larger. A big problem in my opinion is their two star attractions were not running well at all. The line for MF seemed to be running at half the pace from previous years and of course Dragster was still a fickle beast with frequent down-times. Posted waits for Raptor mid-day were an hour and forty five minutes and no shade in the queue for Blue Streak made for a killer wait in the afternoon sun. Magnum was running the best from a capacity standpoint but I heard a lot of guests including my first-time companion complaining it's too rough. And dear sweet Gemini running with only one side was truly sad. That leaves a collection of ho-hum coasters with somewhat short waits but for good reason. Then to top it off after we get back I read they dropped the Freeway system completely killing another favorite perk of many. Somehow they've managed to turn the park into a place without a killer/functional/stand-out attraction and let service slip to boot. Now I know some would say Intamin is a big part of the problem for the star attractions and it's not CP's fault, but that doesn't do a thing for the average guest who remembers a park that ran much better in the past. I'm also surprised they have no plans to renovate the older section of Hotel Breakers, now that is a depressing place! We still had some fun on the trip but it just wasn't the same as previous years. They don't seem to talk about percentages of return guests versus new but I'm betting a big part of their revenues are return customers. And if you disappoint the regulars they're less likely to talk the place up to those that have never visited. We have absolutely no plans of visiting next year. Hard to know what the solution is, cutting gate costs isn't going to do a lot imho. Bring back the Freeway, fix MF and TTD, do something about Magnum, remove/replace poor performing coasters (a GG or GCI woodie please!), put in more shade and misters, drop the price of bottled water and pop to $2 or $1.50, renovate the icky rooms in Breakers (Sandcastle is overdue for a renovation too from what I've heard) and look to the past for determining future ride/coaster additions to the park. Maxair was not a good move (PKI did it first and are too close) and neither is a Screaming Swing. They need to re-establish/brand themselves as America's Rockin' Roller Coast, Dragster and the SFNE incident really did them in from that standpoint, the GL purchase didn't help either. And of course another biggie is to pray the spending power of the middle/working-class doesn't continue to erode. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction October 5, 2005 The Toledo Blade By JON CHAVEZ SANDUSKY, OH -- Hurt by 2 years of sagging attendance at its flagship Cedar Point amusement park here, Cedar Fair LP said it may lower admission prices for 2006. A decision on prices - including the bellwether $45 gate admission for visitors age 3 and over - hasn't been made. But Stacy Frole, head of investor relations, said the company is studying the matter and will decide within 2 months. "Gas prices and the economy have become a problem," she said. "We can't do anything about that but we can help people in other ways." Robert Routh, an analyst with Jefferies & Co. in New York and a CF stockholder, said lower admission prices may be best for the company, its shareholders, and customers. What CP loses in gate admission could be made up in volume and in spending for food, concessions, or at the firm's hotels and other out- of-park sites, he said. "This makes a tremendous amount of sense to do," he added. The admission-price issue arises after years of insistence by company officials that the park is recession-proof, that people on tight budgets would forgo longer vacations but still would visit a place like CP that is within a day's drive or less. Also, Richard Kinzel, CEO of CF, told The Blade in August that admission prices at the company's amusement and water parks nationwide were not too high despite lagging attendance this year. But last month, he told another newspaper the company "might have out- priced ourselves in the marketplace" and needed to take steps to halt further decreases in attendance. CF, which raised its admission price by $1 this year, has said its attendance at CP was down 2% in August from last year and was down 4% in July from last year. Visitor numbers were off 4% last year from the year before at the park on Lake Erie in Erie County. CF officials have blamed the drop in visitors patrons this year in part on the hot weather, which made for unpleasant conditions for waiting in line for rides. Mr. Routh, the analyst, said the weather may have played into it, as well as the proliferation of video games and other leisure activities for children. But surveys done in the past few weeks indicate that gas prices and the economy have become an issue for park-goers, a reversal of findings in earlier surveys, Ms. Frole said. CP has a general admission price, special pricing for active military members, and a half-price admission beginning at 5p.m. In mid-August, the park priced admission for the rest of the season at $10 for people age 62 and older and for children at least age 3 but less than 48 inches tall. "What we're finding is with the seniors and juniors is there are a lot of grandparents who want to take their kids to the park and they enjoy the shows and the park but they are there mainly to enjoy spending time with the family," Ms. Frole said. ----------- © 2005 The Blade Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 01:47:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78414 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 08:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 08:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 08:47:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 08:47:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 08:47:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:47:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c5ca19$f5bbdcd0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Ga0appYbWAjvgvFrX4FDcnMPv8LEnnfawP5XIFW76GKv2QB49A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mark O." wrote: > Somehow they've managed to turn the park into a place without a > killer/functional/stand-out attraction and let service slip to boot. > Mark Careful what you say, Mark. Saying stuff like that about CP isn't going to make you popular in a lot of enthusiast circles. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE! :) CP has been touted as the wunderkind by many, but in my three visits, I have never been blown away by the park itself. Yes they have some fantastic rides, but it seems the polish is off the apple. Glad to hear someone else point it out. (Ooh, I made a pun!) Chris B From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Oct 06 06:31:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31458 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 13:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 13:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 13:31:42 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243859A86 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:31:27 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <001f01c5ca19$f5bbdcd0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> References: <001f01c5ca19$f5bbdcd0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <075571FA-C1DC-4138-BEF6-AD26692AC9E5@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:31:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YP64TyT_hwerVNmv66FZwb6bulTTu_RChoct_5Wt0jK2qL7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > drop the price of bottled water and pop to $2 or $1.50 Yeah .. I can't see this happening. In fact, just the opposite. The article said that Cedar Fair specifically wants to increase in-park spending .. which means raising prices further. I agree with you that the park isn't so great anymore .. I was there in 1999 and had an absolute blast. But in 2003 it was just annoying. Way too much money, for very little reward. There are just so many other parks worth visiting instead. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I've been beyond * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the whirlpool... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jballnik@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 07:46:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jballnik@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21118 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 14:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 14:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 14:46:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9703 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 14:46:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20051006144649.9701.qmail@web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.246.139.2] by web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:46:49 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c5ca19$f5bbdcd0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: John Ballnik Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226268118; y=ElkpgLRglcxbnuHK2ZXSVjj4o6-9RsOYV46C7IuGseQkT7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jballnik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, =20 I use to work at Cedar Point and as a former employee let me give some advi= ce. Try not to go in July or August, it's really just a waste of your time= . It's so busy and there are waits for everything. If you do have to do g= o, go on SUNDAY!! Most people don't know this little secret but Sunday is = the least busiest day...this is actually true at most amusement parks. =20 I live on the other side of the country now but I still manage to go to CP = at least once a year and I ALWAYS go on a Sunday in September. EVERY SINGL= E ride is a walk on with the exception of MF and TTD. MF we waited 10 minu= tes and TTD was 25. Not too bad!! =20 It is a shame how they are not keeping up the older rides. They try to sav= e money, that is why you are seeing Gemini run with only one side. When th= ey close either side that means that 2 to 3 employees get to be sent home. = That is less money that has to be paid...I use to work on Gemini ;) =20 I'm sorry that your trip was a bust, I think if I was in your shoes I would= feel the same way. Hell, I've gone to CP on really busy days and even tho= ugh all the rides are open it's so crowded. I think that is what gets me d= own...the crowds. =20 But living by Six Flags Magic Mountain I can honestly say that CP still is = the better park. SFMM NEVER, I repeat NEVER runs any of its rides at full = capacity. It's really a shame, plus the ride hosts don't pay attention and= look like they were just plucked off the street. The park is dirty and th= e cliental is even worse. You have to pass through a metal detector before= entering the park. =20 So for next year go in either May, June, or September. I definitely think = you will have a better time :) =20 Have a good one, John "Mark O." wrote: We visited CP in July for three days and would have hated to see the crowds any larger. A big problem in my opinion is their two star attractions were not running well at all. The line for MF seemed to be running at half the pace from previous years and of course Dragster was still a fickle beast with frequent down-times. Posted waits for Raptor mid-day were an hour and forty five minutes and no shade in the queue for Blue Streak made for a killer wait in the afternoon sun. Magnum was running the best from a capacity standpoint but I heard a lot of guests including my first-time companion complaining it's too rough. And dear sweet Gemini running with only one side was truly sad. That leaves a collection of ho-hum coasters with somewhat short waits but for good reason. Then to top it off after we get back I read they dropped the Freeway system completely killing another favorite perk of many. Somehow they've managed to turn the park into a place without a killer/functional/stand-out attraction and let service slip to boot. Now I know some would say Intamin is a big part of the problem for the star attractions and it's not CP's fault, but that doesn't do a thing for the average guest who remembers a park that ran much better in the past. I'm also surprised they have no plans to renovate the older section of Hotel Breakers, now that is a depressing place! We still had some fun on the trip but it just wasn't the same as previous years. They don't seem to talk about percentages of return guests versus new but I'm betting a big part of their revenues are return customers. And if you disappoint the regulars they're less likely to talk the place up to those that have never visited. We have absolutely no plans of visiting next year. Hard to know what the solution is, cutting gate costs isn't going to do a lot imho. Bring back the Freeway, fix MF and TTD, do something about Magnum, remove/replace poor performing coasters (a GG or GCI woodie please!), put in more shade and misters, drop the price of bottled water and pop to $2 or $1.50, renovate the icky rooms in Breakers (Sandcastle is overdue for a renovation too from what I've heard) and look to the past for determining future ride/coaster additions to the park. Maxair was not a good move (PKI did it first and are too close) and neither is a Screaming Swing. They need to re-establish/brand themselves as America's Rockin' Roller Coast, Dragster and the SFNE incident really did them in from that standpoint, the GL purchase didn't help either. And of course another biggie is to pray the spending power of the middle/working-class doesn't continue to erode. Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction October 5, 2005 The Toledo Blade By JON CHAVEZ SANDUSKY, OH -- Hurt by 2 years of sagging attendance at its flagship Cedar Point amusement park here, Cedar Fair LP said it may lower admission prices for 2006. A decision on prices - including the bellwether $45 gate admission for visitors age 3 and over - hasn't been made. But Stacy Frole, head of investor relations, said the company is studying the matter and will decide within 2 months. "Gas prices and the economy have become a problem," she said. "We can't do anything about that but we can help people in other ways." Robert Routh, an analyst with Jefferies & Co. in New York and a CF stockholder, said lower admission prices may be best for the company, its shareholders, and customers. What CP loses in gate admission could be made up in volume and in spending for food, concessions, or at the firm's hotels and other out- of-park sites, he said. "This makes a tremendous amount of sense to do," he added. The admission-price issue arises after years of insistence by company officials that the park is recession-proof, that people on tight budgets would forgo longer vacations but still would visit a place like CP that is within a day's drive or less. Also, Richard Kinzel, CEO of CF, told The Blade in August that admission prices at the company's amusement and water parks nationwide were not too high despite lagging attendance this year. But last month, he told another newspaper the company "might have out- priced ourselves in the marketplace" and needed to take steps to halt further decreases in attendance. CF, which raised its admission price by $1 this year, has said its attendance at CP was down 2% in August from last year and was down 4% in July from last year. Visitor numbers were off 4% last year from the year before at the park on Lake Erie in Erie County. CF officials have blamed the drop in visitors patrons this year in part on the hot weather, which made for unpleasant conditions for waiting in line for rides. Mr. Routh, the analyst, said the weather may have played into it, as well as the proliferation of video games and other leisure activities for children. But surveys done in the past few weeks indicate that gas prices and the economy have become an issue for park-goers, a reversal of findings in earlier surveys, Ms. Frole said. CP has a general admission price, special pricing for active military members, and a half-price admission beginning at 5p.m. In mid-August, the park priced admission for the rest of the season at $10 for people age 62 and older and for children at least age 3 but less than 48 inches tall. "What we're finding is with the seniors and juniors is there are a lot of grandparents who want to take their kids to the park and they enjoy the shows and the park but they are there mainly to enjoy spending time with the family," Ms. Frole said. ----------- =A9 2005 The Blade Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 --------------------------------- =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Oct 06 08:25:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53617 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 15:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 15:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 15:25:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 15:24:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 15:24:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:24:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051006144649.9701.qmail@web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.212 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=KUjYX8ZJpXT8wiJmQXCAB2lF_vwdK1Bb-Yo9MVVX5tUhTCgz2Pk X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I have not gone yet to Cedar Point this year (I plan to go in 3=20 weeks) but on the basis of several visits in 2003 and 2004, I agree=20 with John. I have visited the park several times in early June, late=20 August and October and the size of the crowd was perfect, with almost=20 no line for most rides, except MF and TTD. I have never experienced=20 a long line at CP due to limited operation of rides. The quality of Cedar Point is really obvious when we compare with=20 other parks, especially those of Six Flags. I live in Montreal and I=20 often experience major frustrations at La Ronde. Like what John=20 reports about SFMM, most roller coasters at La Ronde seldom run at=20 their full capacity and this is also true with the largest crowds.=20=20 We seldom see 4 trains on the double-track Le Monstre (2 trains per=20 track); just one track is opened often. Often too, we have to stay=20 in line for 30min+ to go on Le Vampire because just one train is=20 under operation. Le Cobra and Le Super Man=E8ge never run with 2=20 trains. Last year, the wild mouse (Toboggan nordique), which has a=20 maximum capacity of only 4 cars of 4 passengers, ran with 3 cars all=20 the season. Moreover, at Cedar Point, there are several employees for most rides=20 and they work quickly. They made some efforts to fill each train up=20 to their maximal capacity (this is especially true for MF and TTD).=20=20 At La Ronde, the staff is minimal, very sloooooow (I UNDERLINE:=20 SLOOOOOW) and they don't care if just 2 people are in a wild mouse 4- passenger car. And finding a clean table to eat your food at La=20 Ronde may be a real challenge: so many are just disgusting. So I understand that some CP's addicts may be disappointed about some=20 points, but we should keep in mind that Cedar Point remains, on the=20 basis of my last experience, one of the best park. More with my TP=20 following my next trip! Fred From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 09:25:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30093 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 16:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 16:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 16:25:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 16:24:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:24:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Wild Mouse capacity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ygsPMo6ZtrB3cFICB4bR60PDMVbCS9VB2aR_1fz6jtknmRw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred" wrote: >>SNIP<< > Last year, the wild mouse (Toboggan nordique), which has a > maximum capacity of only 4 cars of 4 passengers, ran with 3 cars all > the season. I don't get this. A Wild Mouse can be a people-eater, a real capacity machine. It looks like they're choosing to run only 3-4 cars. At the AZ State Fair the Wild Mouse (owned by Ray Cammack Shows) runs about 8 cars at a time (4 on the tracks and 4 in various stages of load & unload). And I think that Disney's Mulholland Madness (Mack) runs about the same. Or am I missing something? -Alan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 09:37:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68009 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 16:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24248 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 16:36:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20051006163647.24246.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:36:46 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:36:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Wild Mouse capacity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=V9DYPmaQIqidLiSUJNtOSpixAS7-eziH7vjfYNMKWSu-JZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I don't get this. A Wild Mouse can be a > people-eater, a real capacity > machine. It looks like they're choosing to run only > 3-4 cars. I think you guys were talking about the LaRonde mouse, which is a Zamperla Zig Zag. It is blocked and comes standard with 4 cars. A fifth can be added, but if you run your ride with seatbelts or a less than efficient crew it isn't worth the money as the extra car sits on the brakes and capacity isn't increased. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From coreyml03@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 09:50:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23653 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 16:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 16:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 16:50:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 16:50:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 16:50:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:50:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 578 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.223.96.83 From: "corey" Subject: Goliath pix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=oBjRjzX-HpsgicUgXsGG1cyrAhp1PxVZ8unrt6D089mr18QM X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 theyre already putting our coaster together im guessing itll be assembled by winter are they predicting bad weather? even if they are, you see the pix of TTD in the snow and they still were on top of the ride working on it.. oh well, here are the pix, more to come after tomorrow night's FFFF first friday fright fest, if tammy goes away http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coreyml03/detail?.dir=997e&.dnm=1a33.jpg&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coreyml03/detail?.dir=997e&.dnm=b09f.jpg&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/coreyml03/detail?.dir=997e&.dnm=744b.jpg&.src=ph From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Oct 06 10:15:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85555 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 17:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 17:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 17:15:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 17:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2005 17:11:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:11:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051006163647.24246.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.212 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: Wild Mouse capacity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=br-HHtsys1eEXmVPS-dSdN1mwlAdgoL3AXQdwE2CWcY7s7z2-iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > I think you guys were talking about the LaRonde mouse, > which is a Zamperla Zig Zag. It is blocked and comes > standard with 4 cars. A fifth can be added, but if > you run your ride with seatbelts or a less than > efficient crew it isn't worth the money as the extra > car sits on the brakes and capacity isn't increased. You are right, it is a Zamperla Zig Zag. Yes, there are seatbelts. Just to give an idea: when this ride is running with four cars, one car is usually in motion and three cars are in the station and the final break zone... http://www.rcdb.com/id2245.htm Fred From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 06 14:13:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35189 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENd3Y-0007rO-UP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: <43459383.3060404@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:13:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f68defd7fa56dee3cdf833f620b3e9d41350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Wild Mouse capacity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wBXJVsmUh2wolYu4Fr1fbokxEaeuf-oZSOShXi48eF_ux6U X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > I don't get this. A Wild Mouse can be a people-eater, a real capacity > machine. It looks like they're choosing to run only 3-4 cars. > > At the AZ State Fair the Wild Mouse (owned by Ray Cammack Shows) runs > about 8 cars at a time (4 on the tracks and 4 in various stages of load > & unload). And I think that Disney's Mulholland Madness (Mack) runs > about the same. > Even in the very rare instances that you see a mouse run at that sort of efficiency (and DCA has been easily the best I've seen at it) a mouse is still far from a capacity machine. That's due as much to there only being 4 seats per car as anything else. I think the best they can do is several hundred per hour. Compare that to the 1500 or more that a fairly standard coaster can usually do, and it's not much. I'll comment more about some of the other stuff in a bit, when I wake up. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From onhisown@comcast.net Thu Oct 06 16:12:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96824 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2005 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (63.240.76.21) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20051006231243011009cbh8e>; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:12:43 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c5cacb$64010f10$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: <20051006144649.9701.qmail@web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.76.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark O." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=PAF71RiJpqqXminC-aoIzKuLokwcfMoXQrt7TFugmJUiNMv6DLk X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Hey John, I know exactly what you're saying about hitting CP during the non-peak season. I stopped there last year on the Sunday after PPP and had the place to myself and of course had a great time. But after being there this past July I was blown away now they're saying attendance isn't where it should have been - the place was packed. We arrived Sunday evening and that probably was the best night crowd-wise. And we still had a pretty good time, but I couldn't help notice that things were slipping. I wonder if they see the capacity issue with MF as a problem and are doing anything about it? Again it feels like they're losing the brand recognition of being coaster capital of the world, time to get back to basics imho. Mark From jballnik@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 08:08:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jballnik@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29488 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 15:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 15:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.244) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 15:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 65056 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2005 15:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20051007150732.65054.qmail@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.246.139.2] by web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:07:32 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:07:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 4:13:32:0 From: John Ballnik Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226268118; y=Fi703Md4icTl8W6aPXLn0kM5HllshOhZkBcm6MJZut61RnU X-Yahoo-Profile: jballnik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe that's just a Six Flags standard. Every single coaster at SFMM does = not run at full capacity and even with a smaller amount of trains the crew = never makes interval. The PERFECT interval is having the trains not having= to stop outside of the station. Take a closer look at Mantis, Raptor or M= ean Streak....as you are coasting back to the station, if your train stops = before you reach it...interval was not reached. This is something that the= crews have fun with and Cedar Point has the staffing to do this. Raptor h= as 6 people on the platform checking the trains, Batman the ride has four. =20 Such a shame!! =20 I agree with Fred on the Food Part too.. =20 Cedar Point is pretty good about cleanliness, they usually are voted the cl= eaniest park in the world. bastienfred wrote: I have not gone yet to Cedar Point this year (I plan to go in 3=20 weeks) but on the basis of several visits in 2003 and 2004, I agree=20 with John. I have visited the park several times in early June, late=20 August and October and the size of the crowd was perfect, with almost=20 no line for most rides, except MF and TTD. I have never experienced=20 a long line at CP due to limited operation of rides. The quality of Cedar Point is really obvious when we compare with=20 other parks, especially those of Six Flags. I live in Montreal and I=20 often experience major frustrations at La Ronde. Like what John=20 reports about SFMM, most roller coasters at La Ronde seldom run at=20 their full capacity and this is also true with the largest crowds.=20=20 We seldom see 4 trains on the double-track Le Monstre (2 trains per=20 track); just one track is opened often. Often too, we have to stay=20 in line for 30min+ to go on Le Vampire because just one train is=20 under operation. Le Cobra and Le Super Man=E8ge never run with 2=20 trains. Last year, the wild mouse (Toboggan nordique), which has a=20 maximum capacity of only 4 cars of 4 passengers, ran with 3 cars all=20 the season. Moreover, at Cedar Point, there are several employees for most rides=20 and they work quickly. They made some efforts to fill each train up=20 to their maximal capacity (this is especially true for MF and TTD).=20=20 At La Ronde, the staff is minimal, very sloooooow (I UNDERLINE:=20 SLOOOOOW) and they don't care if just 2 people are in a wild mouse 4- passenger car. And finding a clean table to eat your food at La=20 Ronde may be a real challenge: so many are just disgusting. So I understand that some CP's addicts may be disappointed about some=20 points, but we should keep in mind that Cedar Point remains, on the=20 basis of my last experience, one of the best park. More with my TP=20 following my next trip! Fred Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 --------------------------------- =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Oct 07 08:16:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62406 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j97FGGbC027729 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:16:18 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:16:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <005001c5cacb$64010f10$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> References: <20051006144649.9701.qmail@web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005001c5cacb$64010f10$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:16:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 15:16:15.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F999F50:01C5CB52] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=e-2pwKbbp3VoaxjZkZHTK6KOVgSoa-TSHDnElf735ARSXYas X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I know exactly what you're saying about hitting CP during the non-peak > season. You can't say "Cedar Point is a terrific park as long as it's not crowded" .. that's insane. Any park is fun when it's a ghost town. The measure of a really good park is having a fun time when it's full to capacity, and Cedar Point fails miserably at this because all it has are coasters! The water park (soak city) is awful, the food is the most expensive of any park I've been to (and no better), and the non-coaster activities are extremely bland. In fact, aside from maybe 3 or 4 of the coasters, ALL the rides there a bland. I just don't get the love for that place at all. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Oct 07 08:44:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76951 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 15:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 15:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j97FiXpd005790 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:44:33 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:44:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:44:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 15:44:33.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[033FB560:01C5CB56] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DRmTaNsNHBYVew-0tyQREMdQsQdH1XQ2kIDxenkq4sq96Lbe X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The quality of Cedar Point is really obvious when we compare with > other parks, especially those of Six Flags. I live in Montreal and I > often experience major frustrations at La Ronde. Is that really fair? Comparing the Cedar Fair flagship park, with one of Six Flags' lesser parks? Why not compare Cedar Point with Six Flags Great Adventure? OK .. I've never been to Great Adventure, but it looks wonderful .. offering far more than Cedar Point can ever dream of! I have however been to Six Flags Great America, and I think that is a far superior park in almost every way (the food seems worse than Cedar Point, though). At Great America I've never seen one train operation (except one cold (30 degree) Friday night in November when there were only about 500 people in the park). The park runs three trains on all coasters that support it when crowds dictate .. service is good, the ops are attentive without that freaking annoying "spring-break orgy" mentality the Cedar Point ops have. It's just all round a better (less annoying, more fun) time. I've been to Cedar Point twice, and I'm already sick of it .. I go to Six Flags Great America many times a year and I always miss it when I'm not there. The same can be said for Indy Beach, Mt. Olympus, Holiday World, Kennywood and a slew of other parks. Cedar Point just seemed to have totally lost the plot about 5 years ago .. Millennium Force is nowhere near a good as it should be ... Wicked Twister is "bigger for the sake of it", and suffered countless problems as a result. And lets not even talk about Dragster. Sure, Great America made a huge wrong turn with V2 and Deja Vu, but at least they learned from their mistake .. following up with Superman (insanely reliable, given its complexity), and the Waterpark. I'd be willing to bet a floorless is in the cards for the next few years too. If you want to rag on Six Flags Inc, then fine .. there is a whole plethora of problems there. But Cedar Fair is far from being the golden child people make it out to be. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Danger * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Danger * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From filipm2@rpi.edu Fri Oct 07 09:38:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1704 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 16:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 16:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.server.rpi.edu) (128.113.2.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 16:38:45 -0000 Received: from [128.113.146.183] (gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.146.183]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j97GcgrN017464 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:38:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> References: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:40:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 128.113.2.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=aoYrpe_wXtARL9TxPTMcM4mj6TmgS4JH8Nj0deFcYgMd6nRkQWjO X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> The quality of Cedar Point is really obvious when we compare with >> other parks, especially those of Six Flags. I live in Montreal and I >> often experience major frustrations at La Ronde. >> > > Is that really fair? Comparing the Cedar Fair flagship park, with one > of Six Flags' lesser parks? Why not compare Cedar Point with Six > Flags Great Adventure? OK .. I've never been to Great Adventure, but > it looks wonderful .. offering far more than Cedar Point can ever > dream of! I have however been to Six Flags Great America, and I think > that is a far superior park in almost every way (the food seems worse > than Cedar Point, though). I was going to say the same thing. I went to Cedar Point in 1998, and it was OK... it wasn't really anything spectacular. No rides really stand out. Great Adventure, on the other hand, seems to be completely managed completely different, and definitely on the right track. They're doing the simple things, like adding signs to rides, landscaping a whole lot better, getting the new ride preview center up and running again, and adding new themed areas and kids areas at the same time they add major rides, so the GP doesn't go "eww, Great Adventure only added a kids area this year, what wimps". Plus most of the coasters at GAd are outstanding, especially Nitro, Medusa, and Batman. I think it'd be more fair to compare La Ronde or SFDL or something like that to Dorney Park or World's of Fun. Dorney there isn't that much to do, and Knott's has gone downhill since Cedar Fair bought it, between the removal of great rides to make room for standard rides (like the haunted shack being replaced with the thrillshot), the awful color schemes, and not really giving Ghostrider the maintenance it deserves. As much there is that SF can do better (like make the SFGAd GM CEO of the entire chain), I think they're going to do a lot better in the long run than Cedar Fair. Mike From hi_jeanx@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 12:00:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: hi_jeanx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39813 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 19:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 19:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 19:00:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2005 18:59:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2005 18:59:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:59:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.75.34.94 From: "hi_jeanx" Subject: Great America Pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229592221; y=0WE_LGc-NVNSzsh87MPo0CdyczldNeETbne_da6470LPwiM X-Yahoo-Profile: hi_jeanx Amidst all the talk about pricing at Cedar Point, I thought it was=20 interesting that Great America put a full page ad in the Chicago Sun- Times today with the following price inducements: Introduing the Six Flags Premium Season Pass You get four Wolrd-Class family attractions and 365 days of family=20 playtime. 1. Unlimted visits to Six Flags Great America (at Gurnee IL) including the rest of Fright Fest 2005 and the entire 2006 season-- April 29 to Oct. 29, 2006 2. Free and unlimited visits to Hurrican Harbor (adjacent to Great=20 America)from opening day, May 27, 2006, through Sept, 4, 2006 Free and unlimited visits to Shedd Aquarium (near downtown Chicago) Nov. 1, 2005 thru May 31, 2006 Free and unlimimted visits to Brookfield Zoo (Chicago western=20 suburb), Nov. 1, 2005 thru May 31, 2006. The Premium Pass is available for purchase only at Fright Fest. I=20 don't recall the one-day fare at Great America--it's been a few=20 years since I've been there--but $99.99 for all of this seems like=20 only about two or three days worth of admission to Great America=20 alone...throwing in the other attractions, even though they are=20 spaced in a triangle about 50 miles across, seems like a good deal-- unless the park has now declined in quality as some think Cedar=20 Point has and isn't worth it. Maybe the refreshments at Brookfield=20 and the aquarium are expensive enough for them to practically give=20 away admissions. Any comments? Ted Lemen From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 07 13:34:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91148 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENyvU-0001GM-9H for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4346DBE4.6000908@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:34:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20051006144649.9701.qmail@web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005001c5cacb$64010f10$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120fd84bb99a8d8ad67d3612358b31a73b20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=KdriyHL4YuF4a_UM-xKkRnno064pycPTYQN0jV9IOwn9DYI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > I know exactly what you're saying about hitting CP during the non-peak > > season. > > You can't say "Cedar Point is a terrific park as long as it's not > crowded" .. that's insane. Any park is fun when it's a ghost town. > The measure of a really good park is having a fun time when it's full > to capacity, and Cedar Point fails miserably at this because all it > has are coasters! > I'd have to disagree on that Cam. Remembering that my home park for years was SFMM, CP very easily beats it when it comes to the number of flats. In truth, CP actually has a great number of flat rides and other options in addition to the coasters, especially in comparison to so many parks out there. By my count, they have well over 30 rides for adults beside coasters. That's not counting the kiddie rides, and includes the flats, water rides, carousels, etc. Sorry Cam, but that's a heck of a lot of other rides besides coasters. If you add in the kiddie rides, that's going to put it 40-50 other rides. > The water park (soak city) is awful, the food is the most expensive > of any park I've been to (and no better), and the non-coaster > activities are extremely bland. In fact, aside from maybe 3 or 4 of > the coasters, ALL the rides there a bland. Can't comment on the water park, but I loved the buffet at CP, and the price ($10 for all you can eat and drink) and quality was fine. It wasn't cheap, but it was far from the most expensive food out there (e.g. BGT's buffets are usually $12-15). I didn't get to see many shows, but I found plenty to do that was fun at CP besides the coasters. > I just don't get the love for that place at all. Generally I agree. I'm certainly not a CP fanboy, and think I've made that obvious over time. But at the same time I'm certainly not going to slam them in areas that they do better than a heck of a lot of other places on. But then my last visit was in 2002, so if it's changed much since then, I can't speak on that either. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 07 13:46:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20740 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 20:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 20:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 20:46:44 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ENz5n-00010R-To for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4346DE69.1050307@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:45:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f7b3275cb7c400286323b265bd30e5b3b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nh8QUKv7fUdsgKPbfjviqH49KsraoYO3BH9Gk_yI--i_rGY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Gotta laugh, cause how many other places do you get to see a "Six Flags is great, Cedar Fair stinks" thread. Hehe. Anyways... Mike Filippone wrote: > >> The quality of Cedar Point is really obvious when we compare with > >> other parks, especially those of Six Flags. I live in Montreal and I > >> often experience major frustrations at La Ronde. > >> > > > > Is that really fair? Comparing the Cedar Fair flagship park, with one > > of Six Flags' lesser parks? Why not compare Cedar Point with Six > > Flags Great Adventure? OK .. I've never been to Great Adventure, but > > it looks wonderful .. offering far more than Cedar Point can ever > > dream of! I have however been to Six Flags Great America, and I think > > that is a far superior park in almost every way (the food seems worse > > than Cedar Point, though). > > I was going to say the same thing. I went to Cedar Point in 1998, > and it was OK... it wasn't really anything spectacular. No rides > really stand out. > Ok, I'm sorry guys, but I just don't get you. Sure, half the coasters at CP easily fit into the mediocre or worse category. But saying that MF isn't a great coaster? Pfft. Even I can't say that. And saying that Cedar Fair doesn't offer a lot, or isn't spectacular? What planet are you guys on? There are very few parks that can even come close to offering the variety or sheer numbers of rides and attractions that Cedar Point has. Both parks mentioned here might come close, but they're some of the very few. And even then, it's going to be a give and take. > Great Adventure, on the other hand, seems to be completely managed > completely different, and definitely on the right track. They're > doing the simple things, like adding signs to rides, landscaping a > whole lot better, getting the new ride preview center up and running > again, and adding new themed areas and kids areas at the same time > they add major rides, so the GP doesn't go "eww, Great Adventure only > added a kids area this year, what wimps". Plus most of the coasters > at GAd are outstanding, especially Nitro, Medusa, and Batman. I can't comment to much on the park since I haven't been there. But sounds like most of what you're mentioning here are things that they should have been doing all along, not just getting to now. Seems to me that Six Flags has realized that they've destroyed SFMM in their effort to make it better than CP, so now they've moved onto another park to try to do the same. Only this time they might be doing a much better job of it while the wreck that is now SFMM, while it was a very nice park a few years ago, is basically seeing much of it being left to rot. > > I think it'd be more fair to compare La Ronde or SFDL or something > like that to Dorney Park or World's of Fun. Dorney there isn't that > much to do, and Knott's has gone downhill since Cedar Fair bought it, > between the removal of great rides to make room for standard rides > (like the haunted shack being replaced with the thrillshot), the > awful color schemes, and not really giving Ghostrider the maintenance > it deserves. Sorry, but I loved Dorney, and found plenty to do. And a lot that I missed. I don't get the Dorney bashers. Never have, never will. Knott's I can see in some regards. There are things I don't like. But then I look at Silver Bullet, Xcelerator, and some other things. Then I realize that there's a whole lot more going on with Ghostrider than just maintanance (and compare that to the two Six Flags woodies up the road...) Admitedly Cedar Fair helped to ruin Mean Streak and Hercules with the trims on the drops, but they are far from the only one to screw up good wood. Six Flags has done plenty of that on their own too. > > As much there is that SF can do better (like make the SFGAd GM CEO of > the entire chain), I think they're going to do a lot better in the > long run than Cedar Fair. > > Mike Which would be why some of the worst chains around are all Six Flags parks (e.g. SFKK) And why they're closing Astroworld because it's such a shadow of it's former self and they've run it into the ground. And why SFMM reeks compared to what it was 5-8 years ago. And why CF consistently makes a profit while this might (emphasis on might) be the first year in a long time that Six Flags has an outside chance of turning one. C'mon guys, you're starting to slip in the piles of slop you're throwing around here. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Oct 07 14:53:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56490 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 21:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 21:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 21:53:42 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j97LrRnP023632 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:53:27 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:53:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <4346DE69.1050307@earthlink.net> References: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> <4346DE69.1050307@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <178C0E2D-B5F2-438F-9E20-73B79D60F478@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:53:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 21:53:27.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C91F160:01C5CB89] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=aLpIMtvSC2JLos-8MUlRWQsh2s3VjREJxPP5oCyR5JQHNUi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Gotta laugh, cause how many other places do you get to see a "Six > Flags > is great, Cedar Fair stinks" thread. Hehe. Anyways... While I know you're joking .. I just want to point out that my opinion is not that "Six Flags is great and Cedar Fair stinks". That's just ludicrous, insane, totally out at left field .. I'd never use an adjective like "stinks"! :-) > Ok, I'm sorry guys, but I just don't get you. Sure, half the coasters > at CP easily fit into the mediocre or worse category. But saying that > MF isn't a great coaster? Pfft. Even I can't say that. It's 300 feet tall .. goes 90mph .. yet it only has three (maybe four) hills. How can you call that great?! I mean, there are 45 foot tall kiddie coasters with more impressive stats! > And saying that Cedar Fair doesn't offer a lot, or isn't > spectacular? What planet > are you guys on? When I was there in 2003 .. there was just no "glue" that holds anything together. Sure there's a lot of stuffed crammed into that peninsular, but it just doesn't feel like anything more than a lot of stuff sitting around. Walking around the park, it's like .. "there's a coaster .. there's a flat ride .. there's some sort of store ... who really cares". Blah ... There's just no soul. Take a stroll around Kennywood, Holiday World, HP, or Indy Beach .. and the place is just dripping with life. Each feels like "one park", rather then a bunch of "stuff". And before you say "Six Flags is the same way" .. I'm sure most of them are. But Cedar Fair seems to strive for this soulless, no atmosphere, "throw a bunch of rides at the wall and see what sticks" mentality. And THAT'S why I like Cedar Fair the least of all the big chains, and why I don't understand all the praise they receive. At least some of the Six Flags parks have a spark .. I have experienced Six Flags Great America first-hand .. but I've also heard the same said about Great Adventure, Over Texas, and Over Georgia - possibly others. You said yourself .. Six Flags tried to make Magic Mountain like Cedar Point, and now the place is horrible. You can't just throw a bunch of rides at some open land, and expect to create a fun park. (I personally don't think that Six Flags is even trying to compete with Cedar Point, especially since now they don't even have a park in that market - but that's a whole other discussion). > There are very few parks that can even come close to offering the > variety or sheer numbers of rides and attractions that Cedar Point > has. My point exactly .. it's not about numbers. Indiana Beach will never have more rides and attractions than Cedar Point, but I'll always prefer to drive down to Monticello than up to Sandusky. > Sorry, but I loved Dorney, and found plenty to do. And a lot that I > missed. I don't get the Dorney bashers. Never have, never will. Hey, I had an amazingly fun day at Kentucky Kingdom too .. however that doesn't mean it's a good park! > And why CF consistently makes a profit while this might (emphasis > on might) be the > first year in a long time that Six Flags has an outside chance of > turning one. Right! So why aren't the parks better?!! Cedar Fair, as a business, is doing a lot better than Six Flags, but in most cases the parks are pretty similar (once you remove the outliers like Cedar Point, Great America and Great Adventure). Given that, how can people praise Cedar Fair so much .. while (often in the same breath) vomit all over Six Flags? > C'mon guys, you're starting to slip in the piles of slop you're > throwing > around here. :) Hey man .. I'm just thinking about it reasonably and logically. I know it's all just opinions etc, and I'm certainly not trying to make everyone (or anyone) agree with me. I'm just honestly trying to "get" what so special about Cedar Point and (more-so) Cedar Fair. Oh, and I like a good discussion every now and then too! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Oct 07 15:34:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9555 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 22:34:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2005 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2005 22:34:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:34:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <178C0E2D-B5F2-438F-9E20-73B79D60F478@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.107 From: "bastienfred" Subject: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=-SzloLWrvRL5R9E6t95dwokqC9a3jE9sqTXrz2dw6ue1CF3i4kk X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred =20 > It's 300 feet tall .. goes 90mph .. yet it only has three (maybe=20=20 > four) hills. How can you call that great?! I mean, there are 45 foot=20=20 > tall kiddie coasters with more impressive stats! It is true that Millennium Force is not designed to provide a lot of=20 air time. However, it is a very high, fast and comfortable roller=20 coaster, my favorite one. A journey through MF provides a lot of fun=20 owing to the first hill near the lake, the speed throughout the ride=20 and the over-banked curves, especially the last one. When I am at=20 Cedar Point, other roller coasters give me air time. Blue Streak and=20 the incredible Magnum are very interesting for that. This is another=20 reason why I like CP: I can find a ride for each thrill I want. Fred From onhisown@comcast.net Fri Oct 07 16:11:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55249 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 23:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2005 23:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 23:11:53 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005100723004201300bb8jhe>; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:00:42 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c5cb92$dbc5e350$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: <40B270EA-D88E-40CE-802D-564B955F7A16@buzzneon.com> <4346DE69.1050307@earthlink.net> <178C0E2D-B5F2-438F-9E20-73B79D60F478@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark O." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=LAA4AKri89KevpK3NesFT-azDoXe7T_IN-IoPslPZRdepVwtVUc X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Cedar Point will always have a very place in my heart. It was there I had my first taste of what roller coasters are really all about (Valleyfair! was it before that, so you can see why I was impressed). I was only giving my perspective on why park attendance may be down this year. It's great to hear other opinions but it would be a lot more fun if everyone kept a fundamental respect of one another. It would be a shame if this list turned into RRC where it seems all "truths" are at one extreme or another. I still think a lot of the problem with CP was and is Dragster. My kids and I visited CP for the first time in 2001 and were hands-down blown away by MF, Raptor, Magnum, Gemini and even WT. We loved Midway Market, the boardwalk fries, the caramel apple frozen custard and the overall vibe of the park. Then we came back later in the summer of 2001 and twice in 2002 and had the best vacations of our lives. We took pictures of each other at the construction site for TTD and once the announcment was made followed the construction on the webcams on a daily basis. From our perspective they had all this momentum going. Great location, great coasters (we're not much for flat-rides) followed by all the hype and mystery of the next big thing that was going to break all kinds of world records. But while TTD looked so good, in reality it frustrated the heck out of us with all the downtime. It didn't take long for every guest to catch on and complain loudly about what a disappoint it was/is. It's like an actor or band that has a string of hits and then puts out a mamoth flop. They got their 420 foot coaster but it's proved to be more of a 420 foot shadow on the otherwise great reputation of the park, and they're still living under it imho. As far as comparing CP to other parks I really don't see the point. For the longest time SFGAM was my least favorite park due to the gaggles of spitting teenagers dropped off by their parents. It struck me as more a childcare center than a park where a family could relax and have a good time. Then I stopped there during Frightfest on a Sunday and really enjoyed myself. Lines were slightly shorter than on other visits but more than anything a charm was apparent that I didn't pick up on before. Being right next to the freeway is a big part of the problem for me, it just doesn't have that park feel. But again that's just my impression/opinion! :) There really isn't a park I don't like, I even somewhat enjoed SFKK! Like most I'm leaning more and more towards the smaller parks that have a distinct character. My favorite is Indiana Beach, followed by Kennywood, Knoebels, Lake Compounce and Holiday World. But I've had great times at the bigger parks too. We're truly lucky to be living in a country with so many great choices and coasters to ride. Peace, Mark From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 17:18:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93380 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 00:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 00:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 00:18:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 00:18:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:18:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=2c1Vb8fOTrwctRcudaCYncugEM9Uma0g7-h11Avi53vzs4q54pgY X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone =20 wrote: > and Knott's has gone downhill since Cedar Fair bought it,=20=20 > between the removal of great rides to make room for standard rides=20=20 > (like the haunted shack being replaced with the thrillshot), the=20=20 > awful color schemes, and not really giving Ghostrider the=20 maintenance=20=20 > it deserves. It is a shame about the Haunted Shack, but what other "great rides"=20 have they removed? The Windjammer? HS wasn't even technically a ride.=20 Cedar Fair brought Knott's the Supreme Scream, Ghost Rider, Xcelerator,=20 and Silver Bullet. How on earth is that downhill from the Boomerang,=20 Montezooma's Revenge, and Jaguar? Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Oct 07 21:07:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62893 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 04:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 04:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 04:07:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 04:07:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 04:07:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:07:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G-O6KSCk3wQZFQw6CtIm6tNIAj5E4jy0Rl3Rwouajt58VPVLIA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred"=20 wrote: > It is true that Millennium Force is not designed to provide a lot=20 of=20 > air time. However, it is a very high, fast and comfortable roller=20 > coaster, my favorite one.=20=20=20 > Fred > I never understand why some folks say that MF doesn't provide=20 airtime. I generally end up in about the fifth row, (I've sat in 2-7)=20 and I have always enjoyed lovely floaty air on MF. I wish I'd get an=20 opportunity to select rows so I could try the front and back. MF is my #1, and I rank it higher than all 3 S:ROS, EGF and Nitro. I=20 have ridden MF before and after those other 5 highly regarded steel=20 non-looping coasters, and it still retains it's position.=20 I realize that all this is based on opinion and individual tastes.=20 Chris B (My favorite coaster trick is inversions, and I still love MF!) From lance@screamscape.com Sat Oct 08 09:33:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49047 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 16:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 16:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 16:33:07 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j98GX4eP012503 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:33:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=AP4rohgtVEVyerB6z79fqvWq9KHXoS8cKlfVn8IlypMDiN6HKZUNsK99tg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "adamnvillani" > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone > wrote: >> and Knott's has gone downhill since Cedar Fair bought it, >> between the removal of great rides to make room for standard rides >> (like the haunted shack being replaced with the thrillshot), the >> awful color schemes, and not really giving Ghostrider the > maintenance >> it deserves. > > It is a shame about the Haunted Shack, but what other "great rides" > have they removed? The Windjammer? HS wasn't even technically a ride. > Cedar Fair brought Knott's the Supreme Scream, Ghost Rider, Xcelerator, > and Silver Bullet. How on earth is that downhill from the Boomerang, > Montezooma's Revenge, and Jaguar? I agree. Cedar Fair buying Knott's was perhaps the best thing that could have ever happened to Knott's. The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really compete against big chains like Six Flags when it came down to buying bigger and better rides, which is why they were stuck buying crap like Windjammer and Jaguar. I mean look at the history... the same year SFMM put in Viper (1990) Knott's answer was to put in Boomerang just so they could have a six inversion coaster to compare to Viper's seven. And as far as I recall, Cedar Fair put in a lot of money to maintain GhostRider, closing it down a couple of times each year for maintenance. I don't know how this has changed since I moved away in late 2000, but I have heard it has gotten quite rough in the last couple of years. But the fact remains that Cedar Fair has done incredible things for Knott's virtually every year since they took over. (technically GhostRider was the last project put into motion by the Knott family), so they put in Supreme Scream, Xcelerator, Silver Bullet, Revolution, Rip Tide, as well as a small batch of kiddie rides, plus buying the nearby hotel and building an onsite waterpark to turn the place into a Resort destination instead of just a solo theme park. Look at what they've had to remove to do this... well the fact was that Haunted Shack would have ended up being removed even if Cedar Fair never bought the park. As I seem to recall hearing from the park, or perhaps it was even Jack Falfas at the first Winter Coaster Solace. The explanation was that the Shack was falling apart and in need of some major structural repair work. In California (and most places as I understand it) when you go to perform major building repairs, you have to get building permits, and when you go to request those permits you are required by law to bring up your building to current ADA building codes. Anyone who has been through the Haunted Shack knows damn well that there is no way you could have ever pulled a Wheelchair through that attraction and making changes to it to allow for Wheelchair access would have ruined the effect for everyone making the attraction pointless. So the Shack was removed. As for Kingdom of the Dinosaurs... something needed to be done as well, but I don't know the backstory about why they changed how it worked from single cars into trains so I can't get into that. At this point, it was perhaps better removed than kept running in such a bad state. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Oct 08 10:54:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29353 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 17:54:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 17:53:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2005 17:53:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:53:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.133.139.211 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ky5ZWCuCvRZ4FVFhg0d0kkaS_NX3Eg0CA-tzsQe62Qc654oLTFpI X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > (technically GhostRider was the last > project put into motion by the Knott family) Really! I didn't know that. I think at this point Knott's pretty much has it covered in the big thrill ride department, with three major coasters that all have very different characteristics. I don't know what their next plans are, but I assume it's not going to involve a huge capital expense like that for the next few years. I could be wrong, though... they could look up at SFMM and decide to put Scream in a corner of the parking lot for no discernible reason. > As for Kingdom of the Dinosaurs...=20 > At this point, it was perhaps better removed than=20 > kept running in such a bad state. Yeah, that ride was ready to go. I'd like to see them put in a good new dark ride. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Oct 08 11:37:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61361 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FF89A86 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:36:58 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:36:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Q1eHLZTw9Kcx0FYJFIaJRCRlXeSx5HAgtKhd7Esy9_a6HGDp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I agree. Cedar Fair buying Knott's was perhaps the best thing that > could > have ever happened to Knott's. Hmm .. Why then is it the end of the world when Six Flags buys a small, family oriented park and starts dropping down thrill rides?! There's now reason to go to Knott's anymore .. if I want thrills, I'll just go to Magic Mountain, which has a far better selection of rides. If I want theming, then I'll go to Disney. Knott's is now some bizarre, frankenstein beast that doesn't know what it is. Oh, and if Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all accounts) inverted coaster, the message boards would be overflowing with angry posters. (Is that really the correct spelling of "angry"?? It looks so wrong, but the spell checker says it's right.. Oh well!) > The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, > they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really > compete Well what are they going to say? "These guys walked up with a dump- truck full of money, there's no way we'd turn that down!". Plus any press-release issued by a public company should never be taken as truth. > But the fact remains that Cedar Fair has done incredible things for > Knott's > virtually every year since they took over. Yup .. They suck out all the personality and charm from the place, and leave a dull, bland, Cedar Fair mass of unrelated stuff. They're like the Borg! Once again, I'm not actually trying to say that I think Cedar Fair is "crap" .. just that they're no better than Six Flags. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Oct 08 11:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72657 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 18:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 18:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 18:43:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453929A86 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:43:19 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:43:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=D2EtFSYOtnbYZAflq-FK08pR8HlcK_e56EF4SdDMVceR-ht2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It is true that Millennium Force is not designed to provide a lot of > air time. However, it is a very high, fast and comfortable roller > coaster Millennium Force doesn't know what it wants to be. Is it a twister? Is it an out-n-back? It doesn't do either very well. OK, so it wasn't designed for hills and air .. it only has 2 fun turns (the first and last). The sensation of speed is lost because of the ground-level tunnels; I mean the turns on Whizzer feel faster and more exciting than Millennium Force! It doesn't even feel very high .. The lift is so fast that you're at the top before you know it, and the drop has so little straight track .. it's all pull over, and pull-out. I'll take the Raging Bull drop any-day (and I don't even think Raging Bull is a great ride - aside from that drop!). Look at the second half of Superman at New England .. now THAT'S a layout! There are more hills and turns in half of that ride than in the entire Millennium Force .. I mean, what's the point?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Oct 08 12:22:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8925 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 19:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2005 19:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 19:22:07 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so682033wxc for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.14 with SMTP id e14mr3034181wxd; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:22:07 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=bAOjkZKiSPm0rDfBCgW-7H_emc6u7IVUcOzMNFkMWMGmsHnBl9NM6qs X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > > I agree. Cedar Fair buying Knott's was perhaps the best thing that > > could > > have ever happened to Knott's. > > Hmm .. Why then is it the end of the world when Six Flags buys a > small, family oriented park and starts dropping down thrill rides?! > There's now reason to go to Knott's anymore .. if I want thrills, > I'll just go to Magic Mountain, which has a far better selection of > rides. If I want theming, then I'll go to Disney. Knott's is now some > bizarre, frankenstein beast that doesn't know what it is. Oh, and if > Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all > accounts) inverted coaster, the message boards would be overflowing > with angry posters. (Is that really the correct spelling of "angry"?? > It looks so wrong, but the spell checker says it's right.. Oh well!) Yeah, you spelled "angry" right. Sometimes words just look weird to me too= . Anyways, I don't think Silver Bullet is by any means crappy. It may not be a groundbreaking inverted coaster, in terms of intensity or overall awesomeness of layout, but it's fun and is a great addition to the park. Before that, they didn't have any quality steel coasters with a decent length. Also, it does a lot to tie the park together.=20 Before, if you were on the Ghost Town side of the park, you were pretty much bereft of attractions besides Ghostrider. Now it provides a good link between the side of the park heavy in rides (the Boardwalk, mainly), and the side of the park without. I think the loss of half a pond is an okay trade, personally. I don't know about the argument that you can get theming at Disney and thrills at SFMM either. The problem is, when you go to Disney, you have an almost complete absense of thrills, aside from about 4 or 5 attractions at either park, while at SFMM you have a complete absense of theming and atmosphere. KBF provides a decent compromise between the two. I don't think a park has to go to either extreme to have a purpose. I personally enjoy going to all three parks about equally. > > > The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, > > they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really > > compete > > Well what are they going to say? "These guys walked up with a dump- > truck full of money, there's no way we'd turn that down!". Plus any > press-release issued by a public company should never be taken as truth. I don't know about the truth in it, but Jim Hill claims that Disney actually came to Knott's before CF did, and they wanted to buy Knott's and transform it into Disney's America, since the Virginia plan fell through. Apparantly Knott's turned them down. I guess because Knott's would've lost most of its identity, except for the Ghost Town, which would've remained mostly unchanged. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From lance@screamscape.com Sat Oct 08 17:52:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1446 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 00:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 00:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 00:52:46 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j990qiah003855 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:52:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7QJlSbW9gQp-ZHLEdEqgqTYlMmjJjSfxYg1lWzk0vnLJEi7-gP81u8GSAg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I agree. Cedar Fair buying Knott's was perhaps the best thing that >> could >> have ever happened to Knott's. > > Hmm .. Why then is it the end of the world when Six Flags buys a > small, family oriented park and starts dropping down thrill rides?! Mostly because Six Flags does not care any about their parks anymore and it shows. It's easy to see how they negect any park that does not perform at whatever level they think it should. Meanwhile Cedar Fair seems to take care of their smaller parks, with the possible exception of Michigan's Adventure, but that park has it's own problems to overcome due to local politics. > There's now reason to go to Knott's anymore .. if I want thrills, > I'll just go to Magic Mountain, which has a far better selection of > rides. If I want theming, then I'll go to Disney. Knott's is now some > bizarre, frankenstein beast that doesn't know what it is. Knott's was always a kind of half-thrills half-theme parks for years with the heavily themed Ghost Town area going back to the start of the park itself and the lesser themed Fiesta and Roaring 20s areas in the back with virtually no themeing around the Boomerang (or Corkscrew), all the old flat rides that used to be back there, Sky Jump, XK-1, Soap Box Derby, Thunder Alley, etc... Myself, I liked the mix at Knott's with heavily themed areas mixed with big thrill rides. >> The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, >> they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really >> compete > > Well what are they going to say? "These guys walked up with a dump- > truck full of money, there's no way we'd turn that down!". Actually, the Knott family put the park up for sale... and had offeres from several park chains and chose Cedar Fair. >> But the fact remains that Cedar Fair has done incredible things for >> Knott's >> virtually every year since they took over. > > Yup .. They suck out all the personality and charm from the place, > and leave a dull, bland, Cedar Fair mass of unrelated stuff. They're > like the Borg! > > Once again, I'm not actually trying to say that I think Cedar Fair is > "crap" .. just that they're no better than Six Flags. I've got to heavily disagree. Cedar Fair, in my opinion, is the most intelligent park chain in the market today outside of Disney. They rarely, if ever, make a move that turns out to be a bad one. Plus they're smart enough not to cookie cutter every major attraction and pay for unique coaster layouts instead of just plopping down the 12th clone of Batman: The Ride or going out of their way to buy used rides from bankrupt parks in other countries to save a few bucks. From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Oct 08 18:08:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38880 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 01:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 01:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 01:08:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:08:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200510081808.AA319094984@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=WwLz1RyYP_vlH-Qqv7gzyM9oLCDTTfkaG_zuZtLm6yhrF1zOnuOU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Why not compare Cedar Point with Six Flags Great Adventure? < Okay, I figured I'd chime in here. IMO, there's a big difference between CP and most of the SF parks I've been to. It's very difficult to describe, though. Basically, CP "feels" like an amusement park. It's extremely colorful, beautifully landscaped and full of the sounds and smells I'd expect at a big midway. Every Six Flags park I've been to -- maybe with the exception of Great America -- feels ... I don't know ... more industrial somehow. I don't get the sense of fun and relaxation that I get from CP. Those of you who've read my recent CP trip reports know that some of our recent vacations there haven't exactly been smooth sailing. But nevertheless, we had a great time. In contrast, when we went to Great America we certainly enjoyed the architecture and landscaping, but we only got on four rides in our entire day. Almost all our time was spent waiting in lines. At most Six Flags parks, there's little else but high-intensity thrill rides. At CP, there is plenty for the whole family to do. Six Flags keeps claiming it's a family chain, but I don't think many older people have the cast iron stomach that Mr. Six seems to have. How many middle-age people really get into Mind Eraser or Chaos? Yeah, there are older people who enjoy those rides, but many adults who bring their kids would probably like something else to do besides get sick. Cedar Point offers far more variety. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Oct 08 18:18:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60593 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 01:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 01:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 01:18:52 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOPq0-0001Ps-DO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <43487001.7070802@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:18:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f2c49f23523a5d4af2d8a127e48a54451350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=spGO9ss56ZSWa5v-TRWZLt4ynmAjgSTGA1E2m6fqE-_gGds X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > I never understand why some folks say that MF doesn't provide > airtime. I generally end up in about the fifth row, (I've sat in 2-7) > and I have always enjoyed lovely floaty air on MF. I wish I'd get an > opportunity to select rows so I could try the front and back. Really? You got air on MF? I keep hearing about this mythical occurance and still can't believe it happens. :) Seriously, I wonder if I caught an off day, if other people are experiencing something different than what I did, or what's going on. In the four rides I had on it, there was only one that had any sort of noticeable air. That was when I had the back seat ride, and certainly got a big dose due to the pullover on the first drop. Outside of that, nothing. No air. Zip, zilch, nada. Maybe a tiny dose of floater on the bunny hill by the queue, but so small it's barely noticeable. Heck, Goliath at SFMM has a humongous amount of air compared to MF. MF is great for what it is- huge, tall, and an incredible speed machine. But it's NOT an airtime coaster. AT least for me it sure wasn't. *shrugs* I just don't know how my experiences can so different. Others? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From coasterdude318@gmail.com Sat Oct 08 18:23:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63350 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 01:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 01:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qproxy.gmail.com) (72.14.204.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 01:23:35 -0000 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a33so786623qbd for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.23.18 with SMTP id a18mr2321491qbj; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.11 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:23:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=nzJeRa7awYXOCWySeAcBsMn9Y9H0J0gw7AK88KXH1Z0YXtXCJCU7PWs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Mostly because Six Flags does not care any about their parks anymore > and it shows. It's easy to see how they negect any park that does not > perform at whatever level they think it should. I don't agree with that all. Most Six Flags parks saw new additions last year and the year before, and most of those were family attractions. > Meanwhile Cedar Fair > seems to take care of their smaller parks, with the possible exception of > Michigan's Adventure, but that park has it's own problems to overcome > due to local politics. If cutting down trees and letting wooden coasters rot to the point where they're barely rideable is taking care of their parks, then I guess I must agree. :-) > >> The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, > >> they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really > >> compete I don't see that Cedar Fair has put in anything that the Knott family couldn't have, aside from maybe Xcelerator and Silver Bullet. Nothing else has been over the top. > I've got to heavily disagree. Cedar Fair, in my opinion, is the most > intelligent park chain in the market today outside of Disney. They rarel= y, > if ever, make a move that turns out to be a bad one. I could name more than a few, but that's probably not fair. Every company makes mistakes. The true measure of a good chain is whether they learn from their mistakes or not. IMO, Six Flags made some gigantic mistakes in the past, but is now a rapidly improving company. > Plus they're smart enough not to cookie cutter every major attraction and > pay for unique coaster layouts instead of just plopping down the 12th clo= ne > of Batman: The Ride or going out of their way to buy used rides from > bankrupt parks in other countries to save a few bucks. I fail to see how that's intelligent. On the contrary, it seems downright ridiculous to spend extra money for a unique layout when it's not going to benefit you at all. As for the rest, I have plenty to say, but I sliced my finger open last night and typing without all of my fingers is getting frustrating. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Oct 08 18:33:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45464 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOQ3j-0000rw-Nd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:33:03 -0400 Message-ID: <43487356.3080004@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:33:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f2da1de00da23df2f72ddb83f9ce32da6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Co4QBJIPLif2sEqQQ9-r9gMxNhlD-651Z2JF2Bygp5aVjsA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > I agree. Cedar Fair buying Knott's was perhaps the best thing that > > could > > have ever happened to Knott's. > > Hmm .. Why then is it the end of the world when Six Flags buys a > small, family oriented park and starts dropping down thrill rides?! > There's now reason to go to Knott's anymore .. if I want thrills, > I'll just go to Magic Mountain, which has a far better selection of > rides. If I want theming, then I'll go to Disney. Knott's is now some > bizarre, frankenstein beast that doesn't know what it is. Umm, Cam, have you been to Knott's? Just curious. I'm actually agreed with Lance on this. Knott's may have offered theming before, but it never was the quality of Disney on that regard. And in the thrill department it's been second to SFMM ever since SFMM opened. That's nothing new. The problem was before Cedar Fair bought it, it hadn't offered much of anything worth visiting in a long time, and it's attendance and financials showed that quite clearly. It has a much different financial picture now, and a higher attendance. I think that speaks volumes for Cedar Fair on it's own. Oh, and if > Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all > accounts) inverted coaster, the message boards would be overflowing > with angry posters. (Is that really the correct spelling of "angry"?? > It looks so wrong, but the spell checker says it's right.. Oh well!) No, they wouldn't be screaming from angry posters because they expect Six Flags to do things like that. Hence why no one is screaming that they're destroying a really beautiful area of SFMM for the new coasters: because they expect Six Flags to be that oblivious and uncaring. And actually the area still looks very nice with Silver Bullet. Sure the lake isn't as big, but it still looks good. And I'd call the reviews among enthusiasts mixed, probably split about 50/50, but all the reports I've heard from the parks have been about long lines, constant rerides, etc. My sister was telling me the other day how it's the best ride in the park now. > > > The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, > > they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really > > compete > > Well what are they going to say? "These guys walked up with a dump- > truck full of money, there's no way we'd turn that down!". Plus any > press-release issued by a public company should never be taken as truth. No, it means they didn't have the financial resources to be able to pay for a major coaster installation. They were losing money and couldn't afford to make a big expenditure. They didn't have the resources. Cedar Fair, on the other hand, most certainly did. > > > But the fact remains that Cedar Fair has done incredible things for > > Knott's > > virtually every year since they took over. > > Yup .. They suck out all the personality and charm from the place, > and leave a dull, bland, Cedar Fair mass of unrelated stuff. They're > like the Borg! Again, I have to ask, have you been to Knott's? Let me put it this one, there is only one major source that I have seen spouting lines like what you're saying about Knott's. And for the record, when it comes to Knott's, Mr. Alvey is full of crap. He's got a personal beef there, and it wouldn't matter how good the park was he'd never see it. Talk to most people outside of his little circle though and you're going to get a very different view of Knott's, and one that is far more realistic. That it's a very good park, better in so many ways than what it was before Cedar Fair bought it, and with plenty of personality. But if you haven't been there, you wouldn't know that. I'm feeling like I'm in the twilight zone here. Doesn't seem it was that long ago that I was taking the opposite side here- that Six Flags wasn't as bad as people said and that Cedar Fair wasn't as good. Funny how different discussions bring out different views of things. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Oct 08 18:41:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59039 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 01:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 01:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 01:41:30 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOQBt-0005TJ-U9 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:41:30 -0400 Message-ID: <43487550.8000700@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:41:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120f34737584a7f46d4d124c5ab957ade645350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ewFQpBFdtSfaUcxDk-l_ma8o2q-MKeZYRG_Wvgm8RMeQCiM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate K. wrote: > > Mostly because Six Flags does not care any about their parks anymore > > and it shows. It's easy to see how they negect any park that does not > > perform at whatever level they think it should. > > I don't agree with that all. Most Six Flags parks saw new additions > last year and the year before, and most of those were family > attractions. Maybe so, but for me at least a new addition doesn't mean much when for every one you add you've let several rot away because you haven't taken care of them. Or the other parts of the park. One new spot in a sea of neglected blight doesn't make for caring for a park. :) > > > Meanwhile Cedar Fair > > seems to take care of their smaller parks, with the possible exception of > > Michigan's Adventure, but that park has it's own problems to overcome > > due to local politics. > > If cutting down trees and letting wooden coasters rot to the point > where they're barely rideable is taking care of their parks, then I > guess I must agree. :-) Ohh, so you've been to SFMM recently? :P > > I've got to heavily disagree. Cedar Fair, in my opinion, is the most > > intelligent park chain in the market today outside of Disney. They > rarely, > > if ever, make a move that turns out to be a bad one. > > I could name more than a few, but that's probably not fair. Every > company makes mistakes. The true measure of a good chain is whether > they learn from their mistakes or not. IMO, Six Flags made some > gigantic mistakes in the past, but is now a rapidly improving company. I do have to agree with you there. I think they have a long ways to go before I'd call them a good company, with lots of work in several parks that needs to be done. But they're doing better than they were before. Now if they can catch up to all the years of neglect they've had occur, they might catch up to Cedar Fair at some point. And for the record, I do think that's possible, but it's not close yet. > > As for the rest, I have plenty to say, but I sliced my finger open > last night and typing without all of my fingers is getting > frustrating. Ouch. Sorry to hear that. Have to say it is good to see you posting a bit more, even if it's while wounded. ;) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 02:03:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28901 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 09:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 09:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 09:03:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 09:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 09:02:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:02:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.156.30 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=1t9SKSHqYTbb3_P_R5bOt6YEWMGNSno1bn1F6PGZsMShD9g5aIbx X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: =20 > There's now reason to go to Knott's anymore .. if I want thrills,=20=20 > I'll just go to Magic Mountain, which has a far better selection of=20=20 > rides. If I want theming, then I'll go to Disney. Knott's is now=20 > some bizarre, frankenstein beast that doesn't know what it is. I've gotta disagree with you here, bud. I don't have their attendance figures, but I would be extremely surprised if Knott's attendance figures aren't up substantially since Cedar Fair bought them. Ever since I was a kid (I'm 32), Knott's was always the 3rd choice in parks for the general public in Southern California. Disney had the theming. Magic Mountain had the thrills. Knott's... well, Knott's had some theming. They had some thrills. But they always seemed like the rinky-dink Jan Brady of theme parks in the region. It had some rides. They were OK. Yes, Ghost Town had charm. I love charm. But charm and a few rides isn't going to cut it in the big city. Now it has a little less charm. That's too bad. But let's see what they traded for when they gave up that charm. The obvious is that they got three major coasters, all three bigger and better than any coaster they had before. Another partly because of those rides, they've got money. They're a major player now. People know that Knott's means business. We know that it isn't going to wither away like it had been for a good 10 years or so before they sold it. > Oh, and if=20=20 > Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all=20=20 > accounts) inverted coaster, Y'know, this is the first time I've heard anybody call that lake awesome. By a funny coincidence, it's also the first time I've heard anybody call Silver Bullet crappy. I've looked at that lake many times. It was OK, but there's a much larger body of water with much bigger waves about 15 miles south of it. I've ridden Silver Bullet twice, and it rocked my world--- by all accounts. > Once again, I'm not actually trying to say that I think Cedar Fair=20 > is "crap" .. just that they're no better than Six Flags. Ask 100 people who have visited both SFMM and Knott's within the past year which one has more charm, and I can pretty much guarantee you 95% of them will go with Knott's. Yeah, it's a little less funky now. But it ain't no Six Flags. Adam From lance@screamscape.com Sun Oct 09 06:33:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72474 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 13:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 13:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 13:33:04 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j99DWdah013573 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <036f01c5ccd5$f36af2e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43487550.8000700@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:32:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yef0rHhb6trG4fw07TYHP5WmklQ8vn2KQwHlYbiORyCpcM4LDGtTrx8aeA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Nate K. wrote: >> > Mostly because Six Flags does not care any about their parks anymore >> > and it shows. It's easy to see how they negect any park that does not >> > perform at whatever level they think it should. >> >> I don't agree with that all. Most Six Flags parks saw new additions >> last year and the year before, and most of those were family >> attractions. Buying a dozen Tornado slides and dropping one into pretty much every single Six Flags branded waterpark hardly counts as a major addition to the park, and in some cases doesn't add anything to the park at all if the waterpark is a separate gate. From lance@screamscape.com Sun Oct 09 07:07:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81067 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 14:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 14:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 14:07:54 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j99DV0GK027701 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <036b01c5ccd5$b8a468d0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <43487356.3080004@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:31:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=qx0Gp4zccekEtOf0tH6TNpu_PAzsyiSJCSTT4azDZSK2lI5zcA_6bztRkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Yup .. They suck out all the personality and charm from the place, >> and leave a dull, bland, Cedar Fair mass of unrelated stuff. They're >> like the Borg! > > Again, I have to ask, have you been to Knott's? Let me put it this one, > there is only one major source that I have seen spouting lines like what > you're saying about Knott's. And for the record, when it comes to > Knott's, Mr. Alvey is full of crap. He's got a personal beef there, and > it wouldn't matter how good the park was he'd never see it. > > Talk to most people outside of his little circle though and you're going > to get a very different view of Knott's, and one that is far more > realistic. That it's a very good park, better in so many ways than what > it was before Cedar Fair bought it, and with plenty of personality. Let me make one point here from personal experience. I was born and raised in San Diego and lived there for 30 years before I moved to Orlando, FL in late 2000. I traded in the west coast's big theme parks for the monster sized parks in Orlando, and while I traded Disney World for Disneyland, Busch Gardens for SFMM, and Universal for... Universal, the one park that I found that I missed the most of all was Knott's. I missed the atmosphere, the rides, and the Haunt. Knott's is no cookie cutter park and I haven't found anyplace that comes close yet. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 08:28:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83538 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 15:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 15:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 15:28:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 15:28:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2005 15:28:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:28:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43487356.3080004@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AQF4j6tbsgFCYbA9BNKmp0-7LDRO83Q_6vrkWRO0mucIK0LqpA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > I'm feeling like I'm in the twilight zone here. Doesn't seem it was=20 > that long ago that I was taking the opposite side here- that Six=20 Flags=20 > wasn't as bad as people said and that Cedar Fair wasn't as good.=20=20 Funny=20 > how different discussions bring out different views of things. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George :)=20 That's because you're our mediator. You always provide the calming=20 influence, George! Chris B From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 09 12:19:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69556 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 19:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 19:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 19:19:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j99JHPJr010780 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:17:25 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:17:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1262818A-9A53-441E-A362-153728E4680F@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:17:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 19:17:25.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[14C0BA80:01C5CD06] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=TABYEprI-pKkyqnnv_7rJGmVZarhT364DXXEf3Oy04i3CZs1 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, With all the Cedar Fair / Six Flags talks going on, I laughed when I came across this. Like I said on another forum .. I could live with less coasters, higher prices, and the crappy advertising slogan ... but adding more advertising to the parks is just .. well, a word hasn't been invented yet that adequately describes how offensive that is... I really hope he doesn't get control, it would be disastrous. Link: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/12852893.htm Text: So long, Mr. Six? Dan Snyder's plan would revamp Six Flags - and end that zany mascot's dancing days By ANDREA AHLES STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER Mr. Six may be looking for a new job if Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder gains control of Six Flags. Instead, the marketing campaign featuring the octogenarian mascot would be replaced by a new slogan, "Clean, Safe, Fun," according to a government filing made Friday by Snyder's investment firm, Red Zone. Snyder also wants to reprice season passes and charge more for premium parking spots if he succeeds in replacing three of the company's directors, including Chief Executive Kieran Burke, with new management. The filing, which is a presentation designed to sway shareholders in favor of Snyder's management changes, detailed new marketing and business plans for Six Flags. The new brand campaign would spend less on expensive television ads, use more direct mail and focus more on families with young children and teen-agers, the filing said. The Mr. Six campaign is "misguided," has an "unclear message" and "weakens the brand," Red Zone said in the presentation. In addition to new marketing launched around the company's 45th anniversary next year, a Snyder-controlled company would: Partner with one exclusive food provider, such as a pizza company or an ice cream company, per category. Create a Six Flags Rewards program to track attendees spending habits at the park. Outsource concessions and sell related equipment. Have official sponsorships, such as an official energy provider, a Six Flags credit card and bring cellphone, cable and satellite providers into the parks to sell their products. Seek to rezone about 3,700 acres of undeveloped property around selected parks and sell it. Eliminate some of the pricing discounts and emphasize "doing more for children under 48 inches tall." Through Red Zone, Snyder is asking shareholders to consent to remove three directors, replacing them with Snyder, home-building executive Dwight Schar and former ESPN executive Mark Shapiro, who would become the new chief executive of Six Flags. The filing also touted the experience of the Red Zone nominees and pointed out Snyder's success in increasing the Redskins' annual revenues to $300 million from $162 million, saying that similar growth opportunities exist at Six Flags. Six Flags spokesman Jeremy Jacobs would not comment on the specific criticisms in the presentation but said the company is focused on its auction process. Six Flags put itself up for sale in August after Snyder announced his intentions to acquire close to 35 percent of the Oklahoma City-based company. So far, no buyer has emerged. "We believe Red Zone's consent solicitation may chill the interest of potentially interested parties and may interfere with this process to the detriment of shareholders," Jacobs said. The company also announced in September that it plans to close its AstroWorld park in Houston and sell the property. Snyder's group also criticized that decision, saying it was a reaction to the Red Zone proposal. Snyder has criticized the company's management for "blaming the weather" for the company's annual losses the past four years. In the filing, Red Zone says current management has lost "billions of dollars in shareholder value" and overspends on thrill rides that don't appeal to families with young children. It added that Six Flags' sponsorships, such as its Looney Tunes agreement, are "tired and dated brands that generate little recognition by children." If Red Zone wins shareholder approval for its director change proposal, the firm would then offer $6.50 per share to boost its stake from 11.7 percent to 34.9 percent. However, Red Zone has said it will not make the offer if Six Flags stock continues to trade above $6.50, which is has since mid-August. The shares (ticker: PKS) rose 20 cents Friday to $7.24. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 09 12:49:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9076 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 19:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 19:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 19:49:13 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j99JkQ12005752 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:46:26 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:46:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43487550.8000700@earthlink.net> References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43487550.8000700@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <33A84907-B622-4802-921A-3493809DEE34@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:46:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 19:46:26.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[2277F0E0:01C5CD0A] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=qy0Ir01iwZKf0uCVwZVc6tPpP08bIG1kAgxB1b59zWwT13mZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, I'm going to concatenate your posts, if you don't mind.. >> If cutting down trees and letting wooden coasters rot to the point >> where they're barely rideable is taking care of their parks, then I >> guess I must agree. :-) > > Ohh, so you've been to SFMM recently? :P See .. that's exactly my point. While I know you were just making a joke, I want to say (again) that no-one is saying that Six Flags is perfect, or even that Six Flags is better than Cedar Fair. Just that Cedar Fair is way over hyped, and pretty much comparable to Six Flags. > I do have to agree with you there. I think they have a long ways > to go > before I'd call them a good company, with lots of work in several > parks > that needs to be done. But they're doing better than they were > before. I really wish your home park was Six Flags Great America .. I mean, it perfectly demonstrates how far the company has come. In 2001 and 2002, the park was terrible. Just awful. The two newest additions (V2 and Deja Vu) weren't going well, neither was very reliable (and still aren't!). The staffing was lousy, the food was lousy .. it was just bad. But starting in 2003 things really began to improve .. and now this season the park looks and feels better than I've ever seen it (since 1998). Sure, it may be further 'ahead' of many other Six Flags parks, but I still think it showes how the company has changed, and how they are improving. From what I've seen of Great Adventure (I've never been there), it looks like they're in the same position. If you dig back enough in the archives, you'll see that I've mentioned this in the past .. probably as far back as early last season. I know I said how I think Six Flags is turning around and will eventually catch up and over-take Cedar Fair. And it's happening .. they're working hard on their debit, selling of the overseas parks, dumping Worlds Of Adventure - which seems cursed .. even Cedar Fair can't make money there. I was sad to see Astroworld let go, but I do trust their decisions. I still stand by my comment that Six Flags will overtake Cedar Fair in the next 5-10 years (unless Dan Snyder takes control .. then the whole thing will be die). >> Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all >> accounts) inverted coaster, the message boards would be overflowing >> with angry posters. > > No, they wouldn't be screaming from angry posters because they expect > Six Flags to do things like that. Well, then they must expect Cedar Fair to do it too. All Cedar Fair knows is dropping down average coasters .. and damn the consequences. This is the exact same behavior as Six Flags! (Although Cedar Fair spends more money by getting custom designs all the time .. stupid). > they didn't have the financial resources to be able to pay for a > major coaster installation. But a park is more than just coasters! Everyone rags on Six Flags for building coaster after coaster (while at the same time whinging that "my" park hasn't had anything new for 3 years) .. but Cedar Fair does the exact same thing! They're adding floorless and inverted coasters to their parks .. just like Six Flags. They have zero regards for landscaping and theming, just like Six Flags .. yet, for some reason, they are loved by all. > Again, I have to ask, have you been to Knott's? Let me put it this > one, > there is only one major source that I have seen spouting lines like > what > you're saying about Knott's. And for the record, when it comes to > Knott's, Mr. Alvey is full of crap. He's got a personal beef > there, and > it wouldn't matter how good the park was he'd never see it. Now George, I have to admit that I'm surprised you'd think that about me (and maybe even a little hurt! :-) ). I have been to Knott's, I was there in January 2001. I had a pretty good day there, but five years later and I have no desire to return. What's the point of going there now? It's just a try-hard Six Flags park .. I'd rather go to Magic Mountain (I have yet to go there). Contrary to that is the fact that I'd love to return to Carowinds, Hershey, and Busch Gardens Williamsburg (amongst others) - all are parks I visited just a year ago. Heck, even Kentucky Kingdom could easily get me back for a day ... Greezed Lightning and Thunder Run were terrific. > Talk to most people outside of his little circle though and you're > going > to get a very different view of Knott's, and one that is far more > realistic. I'm so far out of his little circle that if you'd mention my name they'd all go "Cameron who?!". I do like to chat with Robb, but it's usually more about video games than coasters! > But if you haven't been there, you wouldn't know that. Mate .. don't make me post a link to my pictures! :-) > I'm feeling like I'm in the twilight zone here. Doesn't seem it was > that long ago that I was taking the opposite side here- that Six Flags > wasn't as bad as people said and that Cedar Fair wasn't as good. > Funny > how different discussions bring out different views of things. Well you seem to be like me .. I love a good discussion like this, and I particularly like being in the minority! Doesn't mean that I'm skewing my opinion just for the sake of an argument .. but I am thoroughly enjoying this. I also want to point out how thrilled I am to see this remain civil for so long .. it says a great deal about the quality of people on this email list. I can't think of any other coaster related board where this wouldn't have turned into a pissing contest. Cameron. ps: If there's one thing I do admire about Cedar Fair, it's the fact that they have managed to garnish such blind loyalty in the enthusiast community. That in itself is worthy of praise! -- Cameron Silver: ** I've been beyond * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the whirlpool... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 09 12:51:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10691 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 19:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 19:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 19:51:42 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j99JpVDS011475 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:51:31 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:51:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <091801c5cc25$fc8be510$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <9DD63E0F-68CF-4307-BFD1-813CAFDDB19D@buzzneon.com> <024001c5cc6b$ca668310$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D84EDD7-39E2-4D61-8363-12ED3C84FC11@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:51:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2005 19:51:31.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85567D0:01C5CD0A] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=HEvqboIHgbG5Kodi7UgNeEc3e--t2c3C8Cb68Lgy9RfH0hDp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon AAhh Nate, the voice of reason! I initially had "right!" after everything that Nate said .. but that seemed silly. So, just re-read his post and make a mental note that I agree with everything he says.. >>>> The Knott's family admitted when they sold the park that alone, >>>> they just didn't have the resources and big park backing to really >>>> compete > > I don't see that Cedar Fair has put in anything that the Knott family > couldn't have, aside from maybe Xcelerator and Silver Bullet. Nothing > else has been over the top. And neither of those rides even fit in with the feeling of the park. It would be like Holiday World suddenly putting in a 7 looper B&M coaster .. it'd just be wrong. > As for the rest, I have plenty to say, but I sliced my finger open > last night and typing without all of my fingers is getting > frustrating. Woah .. You've got to be more careful with those Jinsu knives! Seriously, I hope it heals quickly. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** He was a little dog, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** named Snuggles. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Sun Oct 09 13:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65706 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 20:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 20:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 20:05:37 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.15.4eda93e6 (3924) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15.4eda93e6.307ad20c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:05:32 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=NvqwruNvIEy8Ef05dbx93X6NMP4jAahpuwJKD_tirwL0A6AC4Eeu X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/2005 3:49:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: ps: If there's one thing I do admire about Cedar Fair, it's the fact that they have managed to garnish such blind loyalty in the enthusiast community. That in itself is worthy of praise! Amazing isn't it Cam? How can a chain have such a loyal following when their flagship park and ride has been down every year since it was built, but there are absolutely no negative comments about it? Meanwhile, another chain can build the same ride with a few modifications, but the minute that ride goes down people start ripping apart the chain and park it's in. I've been silently watching the posts from people on this list, and find the posts amazing. That's all I have to say for now. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Oct 09 13:39:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90312 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOhwh-0002CJ-4R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:38:59 -0400 Message-ID: <43497FE8.9000503@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:39:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <15.4eda93e6.307ad20c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15.4eda93e6.307ad20c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47808daa5b3e7ca120fb7150f0b38ea52007d83ffc18a2ae0cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=T-GAm7QBjUSa3u24p3b2HvGJjFKQrga0A34mfja8o0mm0WE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder7nyfl@aol.com wrote: > I've been silently watching the posts from people on this list, and > find the > posts amazing. > > That's all I have to say for now. Oh, come now. You're not going to leave us hanging like that, are you? Tell us how you really feel and what you think. :P On a serious note, I really am curious as to what you're thinking, and what you're amazed at- good and bad. I think it would be a good contribution to the conversation since it's likely you're not the only one having the thoughts, but we might now know unless you share it with us. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 20:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7528 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 03:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 03:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 03:29:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 03:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 03:29:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:29:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.103.224 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=yltgDdiisgY0Hxg0Orn5SfbXxWkj7wiBn2IBdZ1oFpiWiXUKOwDv X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > > Millennium Force doesn't know what it wants to be. Is it a=20 twister?=20=20 > Is it an out-n-back? It doesn't do either very well.=20 Who cares? Where is it written that a coaster has to be either=20 a "twister" or "out n back?" What's wrong with being a "coaster?" >OK, so it wasn't=20=20 > designed for hills and air .. it only has 2 fun turns (the first=20 and=20=20 > last). The sensation of speed is lost because of the ground-level=20=20 > tunnels;=20 Define fun... it has 5 ground level turns and all are fun for me. I=20 agree with you about the tunnels though. > I mean the turns on Whizzer feel faster and more exciting=20=20 > than Millennium Force!=20 Good point. Long live the Whizzer. > It doesn't even feel very high .. The lift is=20=20 > so fast that you're at the top before you know it,=20 Looks high to me when I'm on it. Since there's no midcourse, do you=20 know how long the ride cycles would be with a chain lift? Besides,=20 when I ride it, I generally hear people commenting on how the lift=20 is more scary because it's so much faster and steeper that normal. > and the drop has=20=20 > so little straight track .. it's all pull over, and pull-out.=20 Uh, yeah... And are you one of the same people who criticize=20 Magnum, Goliath, etc for being a "ramp?" You all know my feelings=20 on Goliath/Titan's drop. The large pullover on MF accentuates the=20 fact that the drop is far steeper than most other coasters' first=20 drop. You expect to level off but keep going over. That caught me=20 way off gaurd my first ride. And there is very nice, sustained air=20 in the back on that drop. Not sudden, like Raging bull, but scary=20 as hell when you just keep pulling over. > Look at the second half of Superman at New England .. now THAT'S=20 a=20=20 > layout! There are more hills and turns in half of that ride than=20 in=20=20 > the entire Millennium Force .. I mean, what's the point?! CP already had a "hills and turns" ride... Magnum. Yeah, I know,=20 Magnum is a pile of shit and shouldn't even be compared to S:ROS,=20 but what would the General Public (who make up the vast majority of=20 CP's guests) say if they just put Magnum on the copy machine and hit=20 the "enlarge 50%" button. Steel Dragon 2000 anyone? For the record, any shred of CP fanboy has been taken from me over=20 the last 2 years of visits to the park. I agree that the overall=20 quality of the park has gone way down. But it still is only a 50=20 minute drive for us and MF is still my #1 coaster. I have not=20 gotten the least bit bored with it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F.=20=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 21:46:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80556 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 04:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 04:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 04:46:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 04:45:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:45:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1262818A-9A53-441E-A362-153728E4680F@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.85.125 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=1rkdctAZ9klEqgmFqdtva3hc9KvTwGhf3G4FnEAnM7B2GSWl65vC X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > Instead, the marketing campaign featuring the octogenarian mascot=20=20 > would be replaced by a new slogan, "Clean, Safe, Fun," That's one of the most boring slogans ever. Taking a bubble bath is clean, safe, and fun, is a lot cheaper, and doesn't involve a bunch of surly, line-jumping teenagers. Adam From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 22:01:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40244 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 05:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 05:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 05:01:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 05:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 05:01:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:01:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15.4eda93e6.307ad20c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.133.5.45 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=87Zin607lkHkEhYVKwGxqf7PKowe1BrZ4sjRNuu4JIVzFr2bBCEJ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, thunder7nyfl@a... wrote: > ps: If there's one thing I do admire about Cedar Fair, it's the fact = =20 > that they have managed to garnish such blind loyalty in the=20=20 > enthusiast community. That in itself is worthy of praise! I'd just like to say that I really don't have much of an opinion on the Six Flags or Cedar Fair chains as a whole, since I've only visited the one representative of each out here. (I'm not as big a coaster enthusiast as most of the posters here.) In a couple of weeks there's a good chance I'll get to SFMW up in Vallejo, which seems like it will be an interesting hybrid of coasters and animal stuff. One thing I'll say is that I've been to both SFMM and Knott's several time in the past couple of years, and that SFMM has very little to recommend at it besides the coasters. It does have many great coasters, but that's essentially it; their customer service is pretty lousy and the general upkeep of the park is poor. Knott's has a bigger variety of things to do, is kept up better, and has better service. Also, I think some of it is that I'm getting older and can't take the big extreme rides the way I used to. Unlike some people, though, rattling around in a woodie causes me less stress than the harder, sustained G-forces on some of the big steel coasters. X at SFMM is my favorite ride of all, though. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 09 22:11:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75890 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 05:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 05:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 05:11:36 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE459A72 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E9A0DA7-ABD4-4343-A113-63593A224C51@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=z0aAKiz0QODgPZkLeKBqCbLSaxCphdqQDAlu3Ff_Lz5FFFtd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Brian, >> Is it an out-n-back? It doesn't do either very well. > > Who cares? Where is it written that a coaster has to be either > a "twister" or "out n back?" What's wrong with being a "coaster?" Oh, no where .. and I'm kicking myself for implying that. But a coaster should at least be interesting! Millennium Force is two great turns (the first and last), with utter blandness in the middle. I mean, the turn-around on the island is just disappointing. That really should be so much more. > Looks high to me when I'm on it. Since there's no midcourse, do you > know how long the ride cycles would be with a chain lift? The technical reasons mean little to me (with regards to this discussion anyway - I'm actually very interested in the engineering of these coasters). And maybe they should have included a mid-course brake .. it is possible to do one without having it trim the ride. >> and the drop has >> so little straight track .. it's all pull over, and pull-out. > > Uh, yeah... And are you one of the same people who criticize > Magnum, Goliath, etc for being a "ramp?" I've never ridden Goliath, but I adore Magnum! The drop by itself my not be anything spectacular, but the ride as a whole package is just fabulous. > The large pullover on MF accentuates the fact that the drop is far > steeper than most other coasters' first drop. But you're all ready going so fast, and the pull-over is so gradual, that there's none of that feeling of acceleration as the train begins to drop .. none of that "wwhhoooaaa .. heeereee we gooooo!". There's no theatrics. It's just a cold/efficient lift that's there for technical reasons, followed by (after the massive pull-over) 2 feet of straight track, and then the drop is over! Magnum (since you've already brought it up), has amazing theatrics. The lift is crazy slow, with those ultra-loud anti-rollbacks .. In the front you get to hang over the top for a while, in the back you get pulled right over as the train quickly picks up speed. There's none of that on Millennium Force since it's all over so quickly. > You expect to level off but keep going over. That caught me way > off gaurd my first ride. Compared with Magnum .. where you just keep falling, and falling ... > CP already had a "hills and turns" ride... Magnum. Yeah, I know, > Magnum is a pile of shit and shouldn't even be compared to S:ROS, As I said, I adore Magnum. Sure, I don't think it's as great as Superman in New England, but it's certainly up there. I also don't think of Magnum as a "turns" ride .. it's a pure out-and-back. > but what would the General Public (who make up the vast majority of > CP's guests) say if they just put Magnum on the copy machine and hit > the "enlarge 50%" button. Steel Dragon 2000 anyone? Oh man, I totally agree that it would have been a HUGE mistake if Millennium Force was just "Magnum Again" .. but that's part of my point .. it's not different enough. Just imagine that hight and speed with a layout like Raging Bull (which is all turns). Or even just more turns like the first and last .. but as it stands, it's just such a let down. I mean it's like spending $200k on a Porsche, to just go 3 miles down the road to the supermarket every week. What's the point?! Ok .. sleepy time. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** There was a sandwich * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** in my head! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 09 22:11:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49146 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 05:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 05:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 05:11:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCAC9A72 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:46 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fS2uvh71d88HG5uNhv9D9HqJ_j3YwVYN0rPyOuCEpj_qjU17 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Instead, the marketing campaign featuring the octogenarian mascot >> would be replaced by a new slogan, "Clean, Safe, Fun," > > That's one of the most boring slogans ever. Taking a bubble bath is > clean, safe, and fun, is a lot cheaper, and doesn't involve a bunch of > surly, line-jumping teenagers. Oh, the man clearly has problems! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Yellow, Black * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** and Rectangular * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 05:53:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14784 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 12:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 12:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 12:53:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 12:51:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2005 12:51:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:51:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=al3NEZy2QhA4ElEr1vsuLyZPFqvOv1dJnc3D79sXPZp4eM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I think it works great as a replacement for one of those rambling corporate mission statements. But for a advertising tagline, not so much. Adam From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 10 06:16:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92123 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 13:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 13:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:16:03 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4HCSD31Z>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED6D@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:15:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: RE: GhostRider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=kJrq58lxShCWvMCltXePPEgH6MwdvD4NJpr16BYS_mtQYQkrvA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: george burnash > > Then I > realize that there's a whole lot more going on with > Ghostrider than just > maintanance Wait, what? I rode Ghostrider when it was brand new. It was a great ride that immediately became my number 1 woodie. Since then, I've heard that the coaster has gotten continually worse. Are you saying there's some explanation for this other than "poor maintenance"? Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Mon Oct 10 07:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33477 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 14:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 14:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 14:47:52 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.1de.4569f63a (57317) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1de.4569f63a.307bd911@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:47:45 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=MkLlJ3LRRQIvy6K_O7uwAmvWRcRRmJfBYM4FKonTeyniuRivr3ko X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/2005 12:47:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adamnvillani@yahoo.com writes: > Instead, the marketing campaign featuring the octogenarian mascot > would be replaced by a new slogan, "Clean, Safe, Fun," That's one of the most boring slogans ever. Taking a bubble bath is clean, safe, and fun, is a lot cheaper, and doesn't involve a bunch of surly, line-jumping teenagers. Dan Snyder needs to realize this is not Red Zone - besides Red Zone who??? Never heard of the company until Mr. Snyder decided he had nothing else better to do than to cause problems for SFI. "Clean, Safe, Fun" needs to be done away with. "It's Playtime!" is more suited to the SFI chain for now. AstroWorld will be missed, but it has served it's purpose..... besides from what I've heard from friends and family in Houston, it's time for the park to close as they are not in a good location, and the land is worth a lot more than the park itself. I've been trying to get to it when I visit Houston every other year, but get talked out of it. However, I've seen the park from the freeway, and it's not a big park at all. I think the best thing for SFI right now is to let the auction proceed as planned while divesting itself of the parks that will help reduce the debt load. I agree with those who have said the chain simply got on a spending binge that caused the problems we see today. The only way of reducing debt load now is either selling the parks (if it makes since to do so) to other chains (AstroWorld excluded), or by simply closing parks, moving the rides to other parks that are profitable, and selling the land for "top dollar". That's all from me on this subject. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 10 08:40:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53900 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:40:34 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4HCSD3ST>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:47 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED85@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=g2D7oURCLzfgXsfpJFyy-2SLKODQDl5-wbxQr7kqZUQIE53AnA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: Cameron Silver > [Millennium Force is] 300 feet tall .. goes 90mph .. yet it only has three (maybe > four) hills. How can you call that great?! I mean, there are 45 foot > tall kiddie coasters with more impressive stats! I remember once when my college football team was seriously outplayed, yet still won the game. In every other measurable category (time of possession, yards gained, first downs converted, etc.) the other team had performed better. When asked about it, the coach said "Statistics are for losers." What would you rather ride, Scooby's Ghoster Coaster or MF? While I don't think MF is quite "great," it is pretty darn good (IMHO, the best coaster at CP). It doesn't matter what it's stats are; it's fun to ride. Jon Z ("Go Quakers") The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 10 10:20:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77370 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 17:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 17:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 17:20:44 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4HCSD30Y>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=dvuUJ_KiM7IjHgvKIZ1OJdQTN2NsTSdvYf35HVI5WYwxxXvljg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: george burnash > > MF is great for what it is- huge, tall, and an incredible > speed machine. > But it's NOT an airtime coaster. AT least for me it sure wasn't. > > *shrugs* I just don't know how my experiences can so > different. Others? I wouldn't call it an "airtime coaster," but Intamin does build great airtime hills. On my few rides on MF, there was plenty of air in those too-few hills. Jon "if loving airtime is a crime, then let me be guilty" Z ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Oct 10 11:01:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62609 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 18:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 18:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 18:01:13 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o1so777083nzf for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.194.10 with SMTP id r10mr3023116nzf; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.101.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Reply-To: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=9QYi8pzJR00JLKbKZ_x13PdMKK0-jlxM6uGX-Avca2g9uQ0n90R6 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This weekend I finally experience some kick-ass rides on Steel Force, for once. It was running as hard as Phantom's Revenge, believe it or not, when I rode it yesterday (sunday) - its packed with all sorts of strange airtime and it's really sweet. Same thing with some of the other rides I rode this weekend (Phoenix was running like absolute dog-crap, by the way...this is coming from me being a pretty big Phoenix fan:-\ ) I was really having fun, but you know what kept going through my head? "Damn, I am really craving something smooth and fast with some ground-hugging turns." I can see where people are finding fault with MF to a degree, but there's just nothing like it. I figured out this weekend that I'm more of a speed freak than anything else, and that just does it for me. Yes, S:ROS at SFNE has a sweeter layout, but if MF was just a bigger S:ROS then what good would it be? it's unique and its fast, and I never get bored with it because I can always find something about it that I like. Those ground level turns always remind me of taking the wave-runners or a motorcycle out and just slamming into a tight, leaning turn. To be quite honest, I would LOVE to see a ride as fast as TTD, but have it never go up in the air more than some elevated turns. Just my .02 -Josh On 10/10/05, Jon Zucker wrote: > > > From: george burnash > > > > MF is great for what it is- huge, tall, and an incredible > > speed machine. > > But it's NOT an airtime coaster. AT least for me it sure wasn't. > > > > *shrugs* I just don't know how my experiences can so > > different. Others? > > I wouldn't call it an "airtime coaster," but Intamin does build > great airtime hills. On my few rides on MF, there was plenty of air in > those > too-few hills. > > > Jon "if loving airtime is a crime, then let me be guilty" Z > ______________________________ > This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended > recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onhisown@comcast.net Mon Oct 10 16:35:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69131 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 23:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2005 23:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (63.240.76.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 23:35:12 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20051010230632011009drvge>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c5cdef$1bd66380$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:05:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.76.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark O." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=6XFEV9bLTApEBwjXTtMWcxJ8p70kXLJ1Zl4hnbgcl65K8dv_dcc X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Josh wrote: > This weekend I finally experience some kick-ass rides on > Steel Force, for once. I rode it for the first time this summer and was really impressed. Hard to believe it's made by the same folks who brought us Wild Thing and Mamba. > It was running as hard as Phantom's Revenge, believe it or not, when > I rode it yesterday (sunday) Not my experience, it was good, but not giving ejector air like on PR. Were the mid-course brakes turned off? > (Phoenix was running like absolute dog-crap, by the way... > this is coming from me being a pretty big Phoenix fan:-\ ) This is the only post I've seen so far mentioning this and I couldn't agree more! We were there in July this summer and the front row was the only one that gave a relatively nice ride. The other seats, especially the Schmeck seat were skull-rattlingly rough. Completely different from the previous two years, hopefully they'll do some work on it during the off-season. > I can see where people are finding fault with MF to a degree, but > there's just nothing like it. Have to agree again! :) MF still scares me, especially the trip up the lift-hill on a dark and starry night with the moon reflecting off the lake. That first plunge into the darkness is a one of a kind experience and the rest is just an insane scream through the dark. Like most coasters, MF really is best at night and hands down back row is the only place to be. Peace, Mark From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Oct 10 17:56:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94315 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9B0uXRI003786 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:56:33 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:56:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <863ABE85-D023-43F9-A766-3B0A9AAE11C3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:56:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2005 00:56:33.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F9FBB80:01C5CDFE] X-Spam-Score: -5.299 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_13 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=k7wGmQvPioMcHLTROS2PH2cQ9qJOIF_m-r8hdhIi_7wnrKGR X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > but if MF was just a bigger S:ROS then what good would it be? it's > unique ?? Different doesn't imply good .. Z-Force (is it Flashback now? .. at Magic Mountain) is (by all accounts) unrideable, and that's very different! (Note: I haven't ridden it). > To be quite honest, I would LOVE to see a ride as fast as TTD, but > have it > never go up in the air more than some elevated turns. I'd love that too, as long as what was at ground level was cool .. turns, dropping underground .. popping back up to daylight periodically, etc.. I really dug Tower Of Terror in Australia (same as Superman The Escape at Magic Mountain) for the speed and acceleration so low to the ground .. and the reverse trip was delightfully creepy, not knowing where the station is. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Oct 10 18:01:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58216 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 01:01:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:01:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200510101801.AA149750070@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=dvfKGN7rY5PftezG6FEie5s4XDN6-ltGCpkNTvaYHU08NbkpMBgn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Snyder also wants to reprice season passes and charge more for >premium parking spots < That sounds reasonable. >The new brand campaign would spend less on expensive television ads, use more direct mail and focus more on families with young children and teen-agers, the filing said. The Mr. Six campaign is "misguided," has an "unclear message" and "weakens the brand," Red Zone said in the presentation. < This seems reasonable as well, although I don't know if Mr. Six "weakens the brand." The character, as annoying as it is, has certainly brought attention to the company. >Partner with one exclusive food provider, such as a pizza company or an ice cream company, per category. < Again, his thinking is on track. I wouldn't doubt that he would get Sodhexo. They run the food at Canobie Lake and do a great job there. >Create a Six Flags Rewards program to track attendees spending habits at the park. < I'm not sure what this means. >Seek to rezone about 3,700 acres of undeveloped property around >selected parks and sell it. < Again, this sounds like a smart business move. >Eliminate some of the pricing discounts and emphasize "doing more for children under 48 inches tall." < Finally, someone is talking about the kids that Six Flags always claims is their focus. Kids under 48" tall currently have few options at Six Flags, and they usually end up in the Looney Tunes area. Addressing that issue is important if the chain really wants to be a "family" place. Snyder's ideas seem to me to be just what the chain needs. Yeah, I agree that as a slogan, "Clean, safe, fun" sucks. But it certainly would make a great focus for management. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Oct 10 21:07:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18316 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 04:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 04:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 04:07:03 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so1897237nzf for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.196.4 with SMTP id t4mr3633563nzf; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.101.7 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:07:03 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <863ABE85-D023-43F9-A766-3B0A9AAE11C3@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> <863ABE85-D023-43F9-A766-3B0A9AAE11C3@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=1PxR_9F21Yv9v6eHVt0jdAXY7Ct_uVwUy6UiSphdDXGgakQbPQWd X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/10/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > Hey, > > > but if MF was just a bigger S:ROS then what good would it be? it's > > unique > > ?? Different doesn't imply good .. Z-Force (is it Flashback now? .. > at Magic Mountain) is (by all accounts) unrideable, and that's very > different! (Note: I haven't ridden it).>> Different may not imply good to you, but it does to me. After a weekend of coasters that slam you from side to side and up and down, something so streamlined and fast seems surprisingly refreshing, like an ice cold long island iced tea (or 8) on a hot summer day. What it all boils down to are the numbers, though. It still has the longest line in the park (not counting the capacity nightmares earlier in the season) so its a big hit with the people who visit CP. Like I said, it's just a nice change. -Josh > To be quite honest, I would LOVE to see a ride as fast as TTD, but > > have it > > never go up in the air more than some elevated turns. > > I'd love that too, as long as what was at ground level was cool .. > turns, dropping underground .. popping back up to daylight > periodically, etc.. > > I really dug Tower Of Terror in Australia (same as Superman The > Escape at Magic Mountain) for the speed and acceleration so low to > the ground .. and the reverse trip was delightfully creepy, not > knowing where the station is. > > Cameron. > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Oct 10 21:14:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2765 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 04:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 04:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 04:14:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31999A72 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:14:37 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED91@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> <863ABE85-D023-43F9-A766-3B0A9AAE11C3@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:14:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: About CP and Millennium Force... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=_W5MFTMDO2WJoDRWDEKTM4aeL6GxCYmYWeVNovBu66RT1Lbw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > What it all boils down to are the numbers, though. It still has the > longest line in the park Heh, McDonalds always has massive lines at lunchtime too .. It's certainly not best food out there! (Yeah, I know it's a stupid point .. sorry!). But I think you're as stubborn as me .. which means it's probably pretty futile to continue this debate about Millennium Force! ;-) I honestly don't have a problem with you (or anyone) liking it. And I genuinely don't think it's a "bad" ride .. just not as good as it should be. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 21:37:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9814 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 04:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 04:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 04:37:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 04:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 04:37:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:37:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510101801.AA149750070@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.156.158 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=wCuI28Bioe8A59DsA_doK7Bs1dYPPU1fUDBB5ktgsrrAcjcVv69g X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > >Create a Six Flags Rewards program to track attendees spending habits at the park. < >=20 > I'm not sure what this means. It sounds like what they do at supermarkets. You get discounts on various things, and in exchange they get a picture of what different types of customers spend their money on. =20 > Snyder's ideas seem to me to be just what the chain needs. Yeah, I=20 > agree that as a slogan, "Clean, safe, fun" sucks. But it certainly=20 > would make a great focus for management. Yeah, I actually agree. I've argued for a while that I don't like the bifurcation of rides into either "extreme" or "kiddie." There need to be=20 rides at intermediate stages that offer thrills and fun, but aren't as intense (both for kids and old fogeys like me). Snyder's ideas do make sense, or if nothing else it's some new thinking for a company that's been stuck in one mindset for a long time. But boy, they'd better come up with a better slogan. Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 10:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50365 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 17:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 17:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 17:01:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:43:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 16:43:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:43:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cBHLZzU3qvDlCzxLOdKYS9FVZA9EsTx_1jxca3tW1QNVcKY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > It is a shame about the Haunted Shack, but what other "great rides"=20 > have they removed? The Windjammer? HS wasn't even technically a ride.=20 > Cedar Fair brought Knott's the Supreme Scream, Ghost Rider,=20 Xcelerator,=20 > and Silver Bullet. How on earth is that downhill from the Boomerang,=20 > Montezooma's Revenge, and Jaguar? > Adam Hey! Watch what you say about Jaguar! ;p -Alan From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Oct 11 10:29:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29470 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 17:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 17:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 17:29:33 -0000 Received: by mail.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4W26AR2R>; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9EDEB@mail.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:28:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=M9blII-iBm1a5n5A6heQQe6sY-W1uunsW8OIYrkRJOm_kKFDHg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Taking a bubble bath ...doesn't involve a bunch of > surly, line-jumping teenagers. It does in some houses. Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Oct 11 10:33:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3133 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 17:33:23 -0000 Received: by mail.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <4W26AR28>; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9EDEC@mail.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: TRIP: mini-TR. Dorney Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=-6iWJ7tN68H0wFIFlUVA0bijZouQK-v_BFYti7G_0IIpK5_FTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Sunday, October 9 I hadn't ridden anything since last October. My first ride in a year was a front-row seat on Hydra. Great visual of the "jo-jo roll" before leaving the station. My first impression of Hydra was that it was too short. The first drop felt small compared to a typical B&M floorless (it's only 100 feet). The rest of the ride was just nice, with several smooth inversions. Then just as the excitement was beginning to build, we hit a slow-moving corkscrew (or was it a helix?) that, I hoped, signaled a break in the action before the second half finale. It was, in fact, the last element before the final brakes. 'Not a bad ride,' I thought, and prepared to enjoy it some more. But instead, we went on to Talon. With that reminder of what a "good" coaster is, I was forced to revise my opinion of Hydra: it sucks. Jon "in the grip of fear" Z ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 10:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35378 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 17:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 17:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 17:41:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 17:40:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 17:40:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:40:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Dan Snyder's plan for Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-DTlE_y1nznhX7bgHcJObEstbjeRN0GVSIGFwPgfGXG57ho X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: >> Taking a bubble bath is > clean, safe, and fun, and doesn't involve a bunch of > surly, line-jumping teenagers. > Adam Unless you want it to... -Alan (Who aplogizes for the gross-out factor of this comment) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 11:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70556 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 18:24:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:24:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fsXlrP_1cpxTqEC2bpxwH5-VXYcfHG7JbuFogT9EvVq6GAY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Y'all sure have been busy while I was away (and for just 4 days!). So, I'm combining one rambling topic into one schizophrenic response: From: "Lance Hart" =20 > As for Kingdom of the Dinosaurs... something needed to be done as=20 well, > but I don't know the backstory about why they changed how it worked > from single cars into trains so I can't get into that. At this=20 point, > it was perhaps better removed than kept running in such a bad state. From what I understand (and if you've been through the ride, you=20 will), the cars get very close to the scenery. People were=20 vandalizing the ride to no end! So they created the train, with an=20 attendant on the train to keep that down. Plus, I also heard some=20 young couples were getting too frisky inside. From: Cameron Silver > ...and if > Six Flags every bulldozed an awesome lake to build a crappy (by all > accounts) inverted coaster, the message boards would be overflowing > with angry posters. Silver Bullet may not be a thrill-meister, but it's fun, smooth and=20 eerily-quiet! I think moving the Church out by Centennial Hall make=20 perfect sense (to me). From: "adamnvillani" =20 > Knott's had some > theming. They had some thrills. But they always seemed like the > rinky-dink Jan Brady of theme parks in the region. It had some=20 rides. It's always Marsha, Marsha, Marsha! :p From: "and many people have said" > Six Flags Great America Now, I'm a little bit of a realist, so I'm going to reserve judgment=20 on the Six Flags "Turn-around" for the next couple of years. Because=20 One Diamond, does not a tiara make. From: "i forgot who said this" >> If cutting down trees and letting wooden coasters rot to the point >> where they're barely rideable is taking care of their parks... Cedar Fair does seem to have an issue with Wooden coasters; but then=20 so does Six Flags. -Alan From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 11:33:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50547 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:33:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=8TglTZ6C3TPJHBaB9_1qEfAmX7jMhD9_sTBjyZs15_qRxr6v-_1x X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > From what I understand (and if you've been through the ride, you=20 > will), the cars get very close to the scenery. People were=20 > vandalizing the ride to no end! That's certainly true. I remember back when I was in Jr. High (it may=20 have even still been Knott's Beary Tales back then) a couple friends=20 of mine got out of the car while it was moving... but somebody popped=20 up out of nowhere and told them to get back in. They needed cars that=20 were a little more confining. > Silver Bullet may not be a thrill-meister, but it's fun, smooth and=20 > eerily-quiet! I think moving the Church out by Centennial Hall make=20 > perfect sense (to me). =20 Yeah, having the church in the middle of the park was certainly=20 unique, but it was pretty weird. I remember standing in line directly=20 under Silver Bullet and being able to hear Montezooma's Revenge=20 louder than the ride I was waiting for. =20 Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Oct 12 08:08:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37106 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 15:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 15:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 15:08:33 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9CF8Wqj020904 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:08:32 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:08:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:08:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 15:08:32.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF4D7890:01C5CF3E] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=lq_fdRUUvt52qoYdrJZ43XcCff6TbOUmS8uhV2w0IYeuwNmj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Plus, I also heard some young couples were getting too frisky inside. At Cedar Point in 1999, I saw a couple who were trying to kiss for the on-ride camera on Magnum. Cute enough to make you want to puke! > Because One Diamond, does not a tiara make. It certainly seems to with regards to Cedar Fair! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 09:32:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91246 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 16:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 16:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 16:32:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 16:32:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:32:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair weighs admission-price reduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CjJauFbcAlbBZk-C189IRuJpG9oaY_ihNMJHEz5bXgkLYHpr3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hi, > > Because One Diamond, does not a tiara make. >=20 > It certainly seems to with regards to Cedar Fair! >=20 > Cameron. I've been to every Cedar Fair park but Michigan's Adventure, and with=20 the exception of WoF, I really enjoyed them. CP doesn't make me all=20 gooey inside, but I really liked VF,(My home park for 2+ years) both=20 Knott's, and Dorney. As for GL, my visit was under 6F's ownership,=20 and the park must have had less than 50 guests, and all the coasters=20 were up, so I had a surprisingly decent day. I can only imagine that=20 the park will not decline under CF management, as long as they treat=20 the woodies right! I found WoF boring in the way most folks refer to=20 Dorney!=20 As for picking up 6F parks, Elitch Gardens seems like the #1 likely=20 desire for CF, but I don't know if 6F would part with it. Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 13:45:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86874 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 20:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 20:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 20:45:22 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EPnTW-0005Ws-1d for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: <434D75ED.1050805@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:45:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED6D@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9ED6D@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478852054ce2b0de0fc00b500303a36bd2ec5e81963ea88bea3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: GhostRider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=M9IZgeB9GUBgKDl7EoxmLl8UYVGDO0-jP2RT1cjXt-IgbZI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zucker wrote: > > From: george burnash > > > > Then I > > realize that there's a whole lot more going on with > > Ghostrider than just > > maintanance > > Wait, what? > > I rode Ghostrider when it was brand new. It was a great ride that > immediately became my number 1 woodie. Since then, I've heard that the > coaster has gotten continually worse. Are you saying there's some > explanation for this other than "poor maintenance"? > There are a lot of guesses as to why Ghostrider has become the way it is. Maintenance is one, but from all reports, they do a lot of work on Ghostrider- including downtime and almost constantly one train in rehab at any given point. The g-forces and stresses on the track have also been one suggestion, and that the wear on it now is beyond just regular upkeep. Others suggest that the trains may not be articulated enough for the track. Or perhaps it's from the essentially year 'round operation of the ride. I've heard some various other theories to. Personally, I do believe that maintenance does have at least a part of it, and probably most of it. But I'm not sure what all has gone on with it. Heck, it might even be the Dinn curse coming through again. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Oct 12 13:51:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63408 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9CKpnIs006736 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:51:52 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:51:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:51:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 20:51:49.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[C43C5E50:01C5CF6E] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair thinking of buying Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=G6na26h69lE77QwuIi4-fol0xpeNms1wEIKfhgkvaaTwtO63 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, How has no-one posted this yet?! http://wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41876 While I don't see it happening, it would be nice to once and for all put an end to the war! :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're nothing but a fish, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you fish!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 14:04:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10963 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 21:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 21:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 21:04:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 21:02:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:02:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434D75ED.1050805@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: GhostRider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Fj0Iu2sQYlI6VZxh2-9y4OF2AvemEmmbhdkt49vuPDOhJ5Jqi_DX X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > There are a lot of guesses as to why Ghostrider has become the way it=20 > is.=20 This is kind of a repeat of past debates, but I'd just like to put my=20 two cents in and say that I stil think Ghostrider's a fantastic ride. I=20 guess it could be smoother, but smoothness isn't really what I'm=20 looking for in a woodie. That's one reason I've been defending=20 Knott's... I think their three big rides aren't just very good, but=20 personal top-5 favorites. Adam From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 14:28:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54421 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 21:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 21:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 21:28:51 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EPo9a-0006EQ-PP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:28:50 -0400 Message-ID: <434D801E.8060302@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:29:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478852054ce2b0de0fcdef011a760d16603060c7aabea65d02f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GhostRider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=EC9ybaQMT7IRk6igDLmQcQa1xCSXj3OvkQfes1bnsdYu0-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: > > > > There are a lot of guesses as to why Ghostrider has become the way it > > is. > > This is kind of a repeat of past debates, but I'd just like to put my > two cents in and say that I stil think Ghostrider's a fantastic ride. I > guess it could be smoother, but smoothness isn't really what I'm > looking for in a woodie. Oh, trust me. I don't need smoothness to enjoy a woodie. Hence why I enjoy Gwazi, Legend, Cornball Express, and a good number of other woodies that aren't smooth- some because of intensity and some just because they're not. But once that ride turns into a painful ride that leaves me hurting afterwards, then it moves onto my not so good list. Although in fairness the last time I rode Ghostrider (at Solace a year and a half ago) I didn't think it was running as bad as it had been. But it certainly still wasn't anywhere near as good as it had been either. That's one reason I've been defending > Knott's... I think their three big rides aren't just very good, but > personal top-5 favorites. Xcelerator I can certainly understand why some would think that. Ghostrider in it's prime, absolutely. But I wouldn't put it there now. Silver Bullet I can't comment on personally since I haven't been on it, but while I've heard generally good things I don't think that it would be that high on the list. Hopefully I can find out next year personally. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 14:31:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3968 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EPoCN-00011z-Bg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <434D80CB.40908@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:31:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478852054ce2b0de0fc8900c8305328b068f2a5c4ef56d8860b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair thinking of buying Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=TQCdNGcY3Uq1k0XxjoOgrOzyLq2gWZ7oTanL1fOweG7FX1k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi, > > How has no-one posted this yet?! > http://wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41876 > > While I don't see it happening, it would be nice to once and for all > put an end to the war! :-) > The last line is the key to that short story- they're considering maybe buying some parks, but certainly not the entire chain. And since it's the entire chain that's up for sale, not some parks, that pretty much puts Cedar Fair out of it. Based on the names I've seen, I'd think Blackstone (the ones that bought Legoland) or Dubai might be the lead prospects. But we'll see what happens. But since Snyder's group hasn't signed in on it at all, it looks like Snyder is pretty much being pushed out of the picture. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 14:40:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7361 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 21:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2005 21:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 21:40:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 21:40:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2005 21:40:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:39:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434D801E.8060302@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: GhostRider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=6VmI_g3HMl0hL3S2iDrjY_hJbEuwso9QXCJYiC6XinypwnYd8jwP X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Silver Bullet I can't comment on personally since I haven't been=20 > on it, but while I've heard generally good things I don't think that=20 > it would be that high on the list. Hopefully I can find out next=20 > year personally. Granted, you should really take a lot of what I say about comparing=20 coaster to one another with a grain of salt, since my experience with=20 coasters outside of California is very limited. But actually one major=20 thing I like about Silver Bullet is precisely the opposite of Ghost=20 Rider --- it's extremely smooth. Of course, it's also less than a year=20 old, so who knows how long it'll stay that way. Also, I think that it's=20 integrated into the park well. I really enjoy it when I feel that a=20 coaster is taking me on a tour of the park rather than just being in a=20 spot all to itself. That's part of the value-added you get when you=20 don't just pick a ride off the shelf. The sequencing of elements is=20 very good, too. Adam From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Oct 12 18:38:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97146 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 01:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 01:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 01:38:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 01:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 01:37:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:37:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434D80CB.40908@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair thinking of buying Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=sZe66kRo_z9O979KtjgocysmQPXGn7N7_u54mIbpXHpLZnSP X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > The last line is the key to that short story- they're considering maybe=20 > buying some parks, but certainly not the entire chain. And since it's=20 > the entire chain that's up for sale, not some parks, that pretty much=20 > puts Cedar Fair out of it. >=20 > Based on the names I've seen, I'd think Blackstone (the ones that bought=20 > Legoland) or Dubai might be the lead prospects. But we'll see what=20 > happens. But since Snyder's group hasn't signed in on it at all, it=20 > looks like Snyder is pretty much being pushed out of the picture. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 Snyder has no intentions of buying the park, this is what he said: "We believe the Company's sale announcement is merely a defensive tactic... Now is not the time to sell the Company! It is time to put our Nominees on the Board!" http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701374/000091412105001904/rz718285-dfan1= 4a.txt I really doubt that the company will be sold. A Snyder takeover is still possible in my mind, but I don't see a sale going through. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Oct 13 06:46:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99606 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 13:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 13:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 13:46:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 13:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 13:45:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:45:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.130 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point's White Water Landing 1982-2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=lLATwkOENLsfnGRqTinFhUZA0UBd0C35J5VX5dWOiayI8af64iI X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Cedar Point announced this morning on his official blog that the flume=20 ride White Water Landing will be removed after the current season. The=20 park has taken this decision to create room for "future expansion",=20 according to the blog, which doesn't give more info about future=20 project. In my opinion, this is disappointing since WWL is a fun flume ride and=20 the only water ride at Cedar Point in which guests don't become=20 completely soaked. Moreover, it fits very well in the Frontier Town=20 themed area. I hope that a new "not-so-socking" water ride is going to=20 be built at this place. A new water roller coaster would be great. It=20 would be the 17th roller coaster at CP and breaking a new world record=20 in this specific category should not be difficult since water roller=20 coasters are not so numerous on Earth. Fred From exitenglish@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 07:13:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78315 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 14:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 14:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.207) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 14:13:31 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so451949nzi for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.100.3 with SMTP id x3mr161963nzb; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:09:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Point's White Water Landing 1982-2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=KEEEZBG1kM9GgaL_LAliJzO-RAnN5o8RPGhGZ5F0l0BLwRHt6sT3 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ....And everybody on those "other" sites who was SO CERTAIN that WWL "wasn't going anywhere" quickly goes back into the woodwork... Looking forward to the screamin' swing next year :-) -Josh On 10/13/05, bastienfred wrote: > > Cedar Point announced this morning on his official blog that the flume > ride White Water Landing will be removed after the current season. The > park has taken this decision to create room for "future expansion", > according to the blog, which doesn't give more info about future > project. > > In my opinion, this is disappointing since WWL is a fun flume ride and > the only water ride at Cedar Point in which guests don't become > completely soaked. Moreover, it fits very well in the Frontier Town > themed area. I hope that a new "not-so-socking" water ride is going to > be built at this place. A new water roller coaster would be great. It > would be the 17th roller coaster at CP and breaking a new world record > in this specific category should not be difficult since water roller > coasters are not so numerous on Earth. > > Fred > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Oct 13 07:29:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38827 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 14:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 14:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 14:29:30 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9DESPbS001923 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:25 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4DF0ED85-17C4-4189-9ADD-1EF9F6FFEAC0@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2005 14:28:25.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F42EA20:01C5D002] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Point's White Water Landing 1982-2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=e3N3fdijFNlvTH3XmfP5LxZWyS76cNaVT9Yx5zDqEkL24bCK X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > A new water roller coaster would be great. It would be the 17th > roller coaster at CP and breaking a new world record in this > specific category should not be difficult Right .. and we all know Cedar Point cares more about records, than about quality! :-) (OK .. I'm done .. but admit it, you'd have all been disappointed had I not made a comment..!) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I don't want the world, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I just want your half. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Oct 13 07:29:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13057 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 14:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 14:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 14:29:43 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9DETfYA001981 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:29:41 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:29:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <434D80CB.40908@earthlink.net> References: <434D80CB.40908@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B838E54-B08C-471B-9D92-EE6FEF5C7C04@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:29:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2005 14:29:41.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C91BB00:01C5D002] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair thinking of buying Six Flags.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=cQ1srpUz5xvGfTbiqkisuCEyPFU9cLpzKAyejdottqEvWhqf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The last line is the key to that short story- they're considering > maybe > buying some parks, but certainly not the entire chain. Right .. that's entirely the feeling I got from the article too. I just found it amusing since we were doing the whole "Cedar Fair if faultless while Six Flags blows" thing on here. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 13:41:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78333 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 20:41:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:41:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:41:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kerala amusement park project delayed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4Uwm_WLciuzWhFhoEPDc2V8lqPxc4zEl0Sknpg8wgc9yEuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 13 October, 2005 Gulf Times Newspaper Indo-Asian News Service http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp? cu_no=3D2&item_no=3D56467&version=3D1&template_id=3D40&parent_id=3D22 =20 KANNUR, Kerala, India -- A Rs250mn amusement park promoted by the=20 Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) as an Onam gift to Kerala=20 has been delayed and will now open only in February. The project, billed as a first in the co-operative sector, is coming=20 up near the Parassinikadavu temple on the outskirts of this city. Being built in the traditional north Kerala style, the park will have=20 an artificial lake spread over 2 acres of land that would help in=20 rainwater harvesting. It will also double up as an educational park with a museum and an=20 art gallery. "The delay occurred because heavy monsoon rains resulted=20 in work being disrupted for 2 months," said Kannur CPI-M secretary M=20 V Govindan, who was the secretary of Malabar Tourism Co-operative=20 Society when the decision was taken to build the amusement park. Govindan stepped down from the post after becoming the district=20 secretary of CPI-M this year but continues to be the society's de- facto chief, overseeing work on the park. The society has 500 members, all of whom are believed to be hardcore=20 CPI-M supporters. "We have no problem of funds because we have raised=20 these from various banks. We have now decided to enlist new members.=20 By the time we are ready to open, we would have a membership of more=20 than 10,000 people, each of whom will have paid a fee of Rs500," said=20 Govindan. He denied the delay was caused by a controversy that erupted after=20 locals opposed the razing of some hillocks, saying this would cause=20 environmental problems. "We are happy to have got a lot of free=20 publicity on account of the baseless allegations levelled by vested=20 interests. It has come as a blessing in disguise since we got lot of=20 enquires (for membership) because of this," Govindan said. Govindan said the society had now embarked on a membership drive by=20 offering a package to all those who become members. "We are planning=20 to make the package attractive by offering free admission to the=20 park, maybe once a year, for the families of members," said Govindan. The park would add to the increasing asset base of the CPI-M, which=20 already has considerable stake in the Kairali TV channel and also=20 owns a few hospitals, a study centre and a number of buildings across=20 the state. ------------ =A9 2005 Gulf Times Newspaper, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 13:47:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64014 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 20:47:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:46:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:46:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:46:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park sees outpouring of support X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-yEgY6WpOHtHV3G301fXE8CSxXR4a6Uu4OxSI4y5uNfPc2g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 13, 2005 The Merced Sun-Star http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11343707p-12091483c.html By Chris Collins Merced, CA -- In the wake of possibly the worst vandalism Merced's=20 Kiddieland has seen since it opened a half-century ago, its operators=20 are vowing to set up a high-tech security fence around the tiny=20 amusement park. They are also offering a $1,000 reward for catching last weekend's=20 vandals and have already installed a new alarm system. The Kiwanis Club of Greater Merced, which runs the Applegate Park=20 rides-and-snacks play zone, is jumping at the chance to rally support=20 for Kiddieland and make much-needed repairs and improvements while=20 avoiding a fiscal roller coaster. The amusement park's 6'-high fence, for example, is still the=20 original one built in 1957. But the not-for-profit Kiddieland hardly=20 has enough money to mend the thousands of dollars in damage vandals=20 inflicted, said Kiwanis Club President Onis Lentz. "As the city=20 grows, there's going to be more gangs and it'll be more likely for=20 these bigger break-ins to occur," he said. "This is our opportunity=20 to prevent any bigger vandalisms." Lentz has heard from at least a dozen irate Mercedians who want to=20 counter the vandals' work. "The community is up in arms," he=20 said. "I'm getting calls like you wouldn't believe." Residents already have donated a new cash register and a few hundred=20 dollars toward repairing the trashed sales building and damaged=20 rides, Lentz said. The club leadership is asking each of the 70 Kiwanis members to pitch=20 in $10 for the reward fund. Lentz is hoping more people will donate money so the club can "redo,=20 reprime and repaint" rides at the amusement park after it closes for=20 the winter Oct. 29. Burglars broke into Kiddieland late Friday night, overturning a=20 popcorn and Slushie machine and prying a safe from a wall. They also=20 smashed windows and tore holes in the walls. The vandals stole or=20 destroyed a bunch of snacks and smeared food and soda on the floor. Lentz said the safe held about $150. He said it's possible the=20 burglars knew where the safe was and that it held money before they=20 even broke in. Despite the mess, Kiwanis members came in and cleaned up Kiddieland=20 on Saturday morning in time for a 1 p.m. birthday party. "These=20 people really jumped on the ball," Lentz said. The break-in was the worst Lentz has seen. It's also the most damage Merced Police Cmdr. Jeff Schindler said he=20 has seen vandals inflict on Kiddieland in his 27 years of living in=20 Merced. The fact that the culprits hit the amusement park right after many of=20 the rides had been repainted made the vandalism even more frustrating. It included a painting project by local Eagle Scout Tyler Logan, who=20 said he will return to help repair it. "They went in there to loot=20 and smash things up," said Schindler, who is in charge of Merced's=20 central district. The police department runs extra patrols in areas that are prone to=20 vandalism, including the parking lot behind Kiddieland, Schindler=20 said. But with limited resources, those patrols are "seldom=20 nowadays," he said. Instead, the commander hopes residents will act as the department's=20 eyes and ears and call the police if they see anything=20 suspicious. "It's a joint effort with the police department and=20 community," he said. "What we can't see, hopefully they can see." Anyone with information on the vandalism is asked to call Merced=20 Police at 385-6912. To donate to the Kiddieland restoration project, make checks payable=20 to "Kiwanis Kiddieland Repairs" and mail to Kiwanis, P.O. Box 1450,=20 Merced, CA 95341-1450. ------------ =A9 2005 The Merced Sun-Star From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 13:53:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80551 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 20:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 20:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 20:53:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:53:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:53:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:53:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: City readies for water amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8hFydDY-bBF-3yGDsypH6sLV5Kvm2bxeR66oB1TE5DlVTf8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 10, 2005 Tribune News Service http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051011/cth1.htm by Sanjeev Singh Bariana Chandigarh, -- Residents of City Beautiful will soon enjoy a water=20 amusement park. The Chandigarh Administration has tentatively=20 earmarked 30 acres in Maloya village in the master plan for the=20 project. The authorities are working out the land value which will form the=20 basis for drafting the expression of interest with public and private=20 participation on a build, operate transfer (BOT) basis. Letters of=20 interest on the project will be sought from companies in the near=20 future, sources in the administration said. The time for the completion of project has been earmarked between 15=20 months and 24 months. The project had featured in the 10th Five-Year Plan (2002-2007). A=20 sum of Rs 1 lakh had been earmarked for the setting up of an=20 amusement park and water fun park. The agenda read: "It has been=20 decided to enhance the amusement and entertainment facilities for=20 every age group of tourists, both domestic and international. This will not only attract more tourist traffic to the region but=20 also enhance the duration of stay of tourists to the city. To achieve=20 the goal, it has been decided to set up an amusement park and a water=20 park in the city." The proposal for the theme-based water park has been approved by the=20 Governor of Punjab and UT Administrator. The administration has also=20 contacted reputed firms in the amusement park business, seeking=20 information about land requirements, rough estimates and anticipated=20 time frame for the completion of the project. These include Action Park (Spain), Proslide (Canada), Infinite Fun=20 (India), Aquatic Amusement Associates (USA) and Heinrick Mack GMBH=20 and Company (Germany). Mack Rides (Germany) has responded to the communication through its=20 Indian representatives. The company has offered services for the=20 theme park master plan, ride selection, concept, design and storyline=20 development, theme architecture, cartoon mascot, construction=20 methodology and art direction. The proposal reads that "if the water park is to be clubbed with an=20 amusement park, the area required would be around 20 acres, the cost=20 of theming being around Rs 12 crore. The cost will vary, depending on=20 the choice and number of rides, slides and waterfalls." ----------- Copyright : The Tribune Trust, 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 14:00:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94269 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 21:00:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 20:59:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:59:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Photog Pleads Innocent in Witherspoon Case X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0YInAOGUS7MiQj26z26BMy_ytkSrK_iMe8n3TLo9NiwvkL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 13, 2005 The Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_en_mo/people_witherspoon_2 FULLERTON, Ca -- A photographer pleaded innocent Wednesday to 6=20 misdemeanor charges alleging he struck a 5-y.o. girl with his camera=20 and shoved 2 amusement park employees out of the way to take pictures=20 of Reese Witherspoon and her children. Todd Wallace, 44, faces 4 counts of battery, 1 count of false=20 imprisonment and causing & permitting any child to suffer, and 1=20 count of inflicting unjustifiable mental suffering. If convicted of all charges, Wallace faces up to 3 1/2 years behind=20 bars. He remains free on his own recognizance and is scheduled to=20 return to court Oct. 28. Orange County Superior Court Commissioner George Berenson also=20 ordered Wallace to stay 300 yards away from the "Legally Blonde"=20 actress. Wallace allegedly became angry when Witherspoon and her friends=20 declined to be photographed Sept. 2 at Disney's California Adventure=20 and cursed them. Witherspoon's group was at the amusement park for a=20 birthday party for her 6-y.o. daughter. Police said Wallace took photos from afar, but once he got close to=20 the group, he became aggressive and scared some of the people,=20 including some children, who were in tears. Outside the courtroom, Wallace said he has photos and video that show=20 he did nothing wrong. Wallace served more than 4 years in prison after a 1993 conviction=20 for 2nd-degree burglary and receiving goods by fraud, according to=20 state corrections records. In August, prosecutors decided not to charge photographers whom=20 Witherspoon said chased her from her gym and trapped her outside the=20 West Los Angeles gated community where she lives with her husband,=20 Ryan Phillippe, and their children. ----------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 14:03:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14581 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 21:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 21:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 21:03:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 21:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 21:03:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:03:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Kerala amusement park project delayed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=zaGP_wHX_3yjYR1PX0WBfrZgqPqaLyqiHnzjV8T3YJaZKDN4elM6 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > KANNUR, Kerala, India -- A Rs250mn amusement park promoted by the=20 > Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M)=20 The mind boggles... will there be dueling Mao and Stalin coasters?=20 Soarin' Over Collectivized Farms? Gulag - The Escape? Will the food=20 service consist of a single storefront handing out week-old bread? Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 14:08:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93937 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 21:08:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 21:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2005 21:08:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:08:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Honda to Give Away a Civic A Day at Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2sL_qHBIl4GN7vgveWpvD4UWDvT45PitF-ZF-7dyFP1Eeyw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 12, 2005 Motor Trend http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news051012_hondadisney/ Anahiem, CA -- Starting October 1, Honda will present a month-long=20 2006 Civic-A-Day giveaway at the Disneyland Resort as part of the re- launch of "Space Mountain," American Honda Motor Co. and Disneyland=20 Resort jointly announced today. Honda's "The Coolest Ride in the Galaxy" sweepstakes is the latest=20 addition to the 18-month celebration of DL's 50th Anniversary that=20 continues through 2006. Each day, one lucky guest at DL or Disney's=20 California Adventure will win a new 2006 Civic. Park guests will=20 receive a scratch-off card upon entry, with finalists participating=20 in a daily ceremony to award the car at a replica of "Space Mountain"=20 in the DL Resort Esplanade. As DL marks 5 decades of fun with all-new shows, adventures and=20 attractions, Honda debuts its all-new 8th-generation 2006 Civic. The=20 new Civic represents an extreme transformation of technology, design=20 and dynamics, and delivers clean and efficient performance with class- leading standard safety equipment. "We believe this month-long=20 giveaway will create added excitement for our guests as DL's 50th=20 Anniversary shifts into high gear," says Matt Ouimet, president of=20 the DL Resort. "We're excited about this opportunity to spotlight the 2006 Civic,=20 which offers enhanced safety, performance and refinement beyond=20 anything we've ever offered in this segment," says John Mendel,=20 senior VP, Auto Operations, American Honda. The Civic, available in 2 distinctive body styles and highlighted by=20 an environmentally friendly Civic Hybrid and a high-performance Civic=20 Si model, symbolizes the new generation compact vehicle that is=20 stylish, fun-to-drive and practical. ----------- =A9 2005 Motor Trend From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 14:15:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86794 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 21:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2005 21:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 21:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23929 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 21:15:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20051013211507.23927.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:15:07 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: PR: Honda to Give Away a Civic A Day at Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=2bNVj3mOAvvS3dwGzmqAhUl7i9AdrNi02JR7QY1uUoxwbog X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Interesting, I wonder if this is part of a long-term sponsorship arrangement or a one-time thing. Either way it is a smart move on Honda's part. Adam From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Oct 13 19:40:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81963 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 02:40:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:40:18 -0700 Message-Id: <200510131940.AA89391158@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point's White Water Landing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=a8TJCv9QdujQCUp7EfHilLJEe9R3RCwEAqQ_lDYpuSTqD5d_78wP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme NEWS: Cedar Point's White Water Landing 1982-2005 >In my opinion, this is disappointing since WWL is a fun flume ride < I agree. It's one of my favorite rides in the park and does fit well with the theming. Another family ride bites the dust... Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:12:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67765 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:12:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:11:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:11:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Developers, financiers of Maryland amusement park take dispute to court X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=06h6pm_erUsgb1eSV9SpY_NANCN6QwAV4a0KLvE3XGsTS4A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 12, 2005 Hotel Online=20 The Frederick News-Post http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2005_Oct_12/k.FDT.1129305990.html By George Dorsey FREDERICK, MD -- A $200,000 business dispute among financial backers=20 of Adventure Park, U.S.A., near New Market, is headed toward a public=20 hearing in circuit court. R.F. Toft Construction, Inc. and Business Investment Group LLC (BIG),=20 both of 170 Thomas Johnson Drive in Frederick, are suing APUSA and AP=20 Land LLC, both of West Baldwin Road in New Market. The suit claims breach of contract, specific performance and=20 conversion, and contains a request for court-monitored accounting of=20 the defendant's business records. The president and managing member of the T.J. Drive businesses is=20 Robert R. Toft. Larry Stottlemyer is CEO and manager of both New=20 Market firms. The plaintiffs are represented by Frederick attorney=20 John M. Robinson. According to the suit, APUSA, was formed in November 2000 when=20 Stottlemyer settled on 8 acres in New Market for his theme park. AP=20 Land was formed a month later. The park was conceived as a $10.5=20 million project consisting of a 24,000 sq-ft arcade with restaurant,=20 laser tag facility, paint ball arena, two 18-hole miniature gold=20 courses and 3 go-cart tracks. Toft did background work, project development and functioned as=20 general contractor until August 2004. BIG offered a subscription=20 agreement based on 5,000 membership units in the park and 5,000 units=20 in AP Land, valued at $57,000 and $143,000 respectively. They=20 included a 5% ownership interest in each group. The agreement was=20 accepted by APUSA and AP Land. According to U.S. law, in a subscription agreement, the subscriber=20 agrees to purchase shares in a corporation. A subscription agreement=20 is a "security" for the purposes of the Corporate Securities Law. Toft is engaged in the business of commercial building and=20 development. BIG is engaged in the business of investing in various=20 financial and investment securities and instruments. APUSA and AP=20 Land are engaged in the business of public entertainment. The problem occurred, according to the suit, in March 2005 when=20 BIG "received a Schedule K-1 from APUSA for 2004 showing a 5%=20 ownership interest at the beginning of the year, a 0% ownership=20 interest at the end of the year, no share of profits and losses and a=20 distribution during 2004 of $56,684." The Schedule K-1 received by BIG from AP Land was the same except the=20 distribution during 2004 was $143,000. No distributions were given to=20 or received by BIG, according to the suit. The suit seeks compensatory damages from both APUSA and APLand of=20 $199,684, along with court costs and attorney's fees. No trial date=20 has been set. ---------------- Copyright (c) 2005, The Frederick News-Post, Md. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:15:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16101 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:15:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:15:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:15:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:15:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Weather Creates A Scare At Adventureland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TcdgOw5qBOCo2MaBmOWIyBgFS4zCpw7AMOKVQIkeJ8QZZ4U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 14, 2005 The Associated Press WCBS-TV http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_287125038.html FARMINGDALE, NY -- A worker at the Adventureland Amusement Park was=20 hurt this morning while dismantling a partition at the park, which is=20 closed for the season. Suffolk County police say the 30-y.o. worker=20 was loading a partition wall onto an 18-wheeler tractor truck, when=20 the large panel got caught by the wind and pinned him against the=20 trunk. Police say the worker, who was not immediately identified, was taken=20 to the Nassau University Medical Center. His injuries were not life=20 threatening. Adventureland had 2 people die in separate accidents this summer. The=20 first was a worker who got hit in the head by a car on the Lady Bug=20 Ride. And the second was a 45-y.o. developmentally disabled woman who=20 was tossed from the Tops Scan ride and thrown into a car windshield=20 in the parking lot. ----------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Fri Oct 14 12:21:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39884 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:21:23 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.127.66c26565 (2519) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <127.66c26565.30815f25@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:21:09 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Weather Creates A Scare At Adventureland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=91BmyPc1U7SU9nV4tBLAabMvtZrb0Qi3_YrD0m9TKgTtQ7hH-MCd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/2005 3:15:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aelk2004@yahoo.com writes: Adventureland had 2 people die in separate accidents this summer. The first was a worker who got hit in the head by a car on the Lady Bug Ride. And the second was a 45-y.o. developmentally disabled woman who was tossed from the Tops Scan ride and thrown into a car windshield in the parking lot. The accidents never seen to stop at theme/amusement parks. I hope the worker is ok. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:27:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35400 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:27:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:23:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:23:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:23:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Roller Coaster Physics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EMFYNNOyF_NSmo8GPDS77h_RGgwJVIhMfS24hbnNyXD4JXc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There's also a video report on the page as well. -Alan http://tinyurl.com/dld78 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 10/14/2005 First Coast News http://rds.yahoo.com/S=3D53720272/K=3Damusement+park/v=3D2/SID=3Dw/l=3DNSR/= R=3D6/S IG=3D12sqlht4i/EXP=3D1129403759/*-http% 3A//www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=3D45677 By Roger Weeder JACKSONVILLE, FL -- A middle school science class took on the=20 atmosphere of an amusement park as roller coasters drove home a=20 lesson in physics. Leon Mungin's classroom is being=20 called "Munginland" as more than 150 roller coasters are on display. Damon Powell called his creation "The Wild Thang." The roller coaster=20 project Powell says taught him a lot about speed and inertia. Most of=20 all he says, "It makes it a lot more funner than reading a book. The=20 book is kind of boring." Mungin says this is the first time he's required students to make a=20 roller coaster and he's pleased with the results. Mungin says next=20 week, the class will be taking a field trip to an amusement park and=20 this assignment will help them, "Understand why they feel weightless=20 and they'll understand why feel heavier when go in a free fall." ------------ =A9 2004-2005 First Coast News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:29:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67053 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:29:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:28:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:28:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Luna Park safe from legal action X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TfeK9YHW57677dSupvvTtVPgB-Ds3Ytu7dbHTRZslVbzeR0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 11, 2005 AAP News.com http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16886563-1242,00.html?from=3Drss =20 =20 Sydney, New South Wales, AU -- Residents living around Sydney's=20 iconic Luna Park will no longer be able to launch legal action=20 against the amusement park based on noise complaints. New South Wales Tourism Minister Sandra Nori today outlined new laws=20 to prevent legal action to close Luna Park as long as it does not=20 breach acceptable noise levels. "Under the new legislation,=20 individuals cannot launch legal action based on noise complaints=20 while the park is operating within a maximum noise limit," Ms Nori=20 said. "If Luna Park is complying with the terms of its development consent=20 and it is closed down, then nobody will ever invest in Sydney again." Planning Minister Frank Sartor also announced 3 new commercial=20 buildings, including a boutique cinema, would be built at Luna Park. The park's opening hours also would be extended on 6 nights each year. The proposal for a 14-storey yellow building, known as the Chirpy,=20 was rejected and replaced by a smaller building to preserve Harbour=20 Bridge views along Glen Street. ------------ Copyright 2005 News Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:44:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7457 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:44:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:40:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:40:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Historic State Fair Carousel in Minnesota to stay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gQ5lrqNNN7awIYnFdG46kVMgQZvCmQa_r-O11F0BE2g-xuU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 14, 2005 KARE 11 News http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=3D109228 By Allen Costantini St. Paul, MN -- A once-endangered and beloved piece of Minnesota=20 history was finally saved Thursday morning. The old State Fair Carousel was once housed on the Falcon Heights=20 fairgrounds as the "World's Largest Merry-go-round." But in 1988, the=20 family that owned the 75 y.o. amusement ride decided to sell it. The ride was valuable for several reasons. All 68 of the wooden=20 steeds were hand-carved by masters at the famous Philadelphia=20 Toboggan Company in 1914 and all but 1 still wore their original=20 paint under faded varnish. Moreover, there were 4 rows of horses on=20 the large, suspended circular platform and all of them=20 were "jumpers", meaning they moved up & down, rather than "standers",=20 which are locked to the platform. Then, there are the some individual features. 3 of the horses are=20 personal works of master carver Charles Carmel, prized by collectors.=20 Others like the "alligator" horse, with a golden reptile along its=20 side, are the last known of their kind in existence. For all of these reasons, the Minnesota horses were the stars of a=20 carousel horse auction at Pier 88 on New York City's Hudson River=20 bank in December of 1988. As would-be buyers fawned over the old=20 horses, Saint Paul businessman Peter Boehm and his group, "Our Fair=20 Carousel", negotiated the eleventh-hour rescue of the wooden herd and=20 its supporting machinery. The first horse was actually on the auction=20 block when a deal was reached and the auction stopped, to the groans=20 of hundreds of eager collectors. The Strup family had accepted the volunteer group's offer of $1.1=20 million. The carousel had been bought, but it was not actually paid=20 for until 17 years later. "And today," Boehm noted Thursday morning=20 in Saint Paul's Como Park, "we paid off the last of our loans.=20 Finally these horses are no longer collateral and they are no longer=20 in any danger of being sold." The old ride spun State Fair goers one more time, in 1989, before=20 leaving the grounds forever. Its round house was demolished in favor=20 of a new information building. Meanwhile, many of the 900 volunteers=20 who'd worked to raise money to buy the horses, began the tedious work=20 of stripping the old brown varnish from each of the 68 hand-carved=20 horses. What they found underneath were the brilliant, original=20 colors. Restorer Linda McDonald marveled at what she found under the yellowed=20 clear coat. One of her favorites is the "alligator" horse. "There=20 weren't many carved with alligators along the side and this is so=20 different because it has glass eyes in the alligator as well as on=20 the horse. That's very different." To 6 generations of Minnesota children, the old carousel was their=20 first "thrill" ride. Its operators are finally confident it will have=20 that impact for untold generations to come. The ride now has its own band organ to supply the familiar calliope=20 music. Its future seems bright, even as fund-raising continues. Individuals=20 can still sponsor individual horses for $10,000-$25,000 each. Only 18=20 of the 68 steeds in the wooden herd are still hoping for sponsors.=20 Metal plaques beneath the hooves of each horse honor its sponsor. Boehm beams with pride at his group's accomplishment. "We're=20 absolutely tickled pink. We couldn't have imagined when we started=20 how much work it was gonna be, but we also couldn't imagine how=20 rewarding it was gonna be." ---------- Copyright 2005 by KARE From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 12:55:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83447 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 19:55:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 19:49:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:49:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Historic State Fair Carousel in Minnesota to stay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DtMuu0PXMd8LW0lxYF4dRxBQ-zLn6cREgb5Itiv3Pdm4c5k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There's also a video report to this story here: http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=3D109228 Here is the Our Fair Carousel website: http://www.ourfaircarousel.org/ -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 13:36:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44778 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 20:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2005 20:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 20:36:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 20:36:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2005 20:36:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:36:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Rollercoaster Tycoon for Mac X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Diy4CCr7kBWcWTQQCGD--7ya9721jwpwQ5lBgUpOzTA_1RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 First Look: Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 MacWorld Magazine http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/gameroom/2005/10/railroadtycoon/index. php?lsrc=3Dmwrss By Peter Cohen=20 In my 11 years of reporting on Mac games, I've never seen a Windows- based game generate as much interest from Mac users as Rollercoaster=20 Tycoon. So I'm happy to report that, thanks to Aspyr Media, Mac=20 gamers will soon be able to get their hands on the game=97or at least=20 the lastest incarnation of it: Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. I've been=20 playing with a pre-release version of the game and I have to say I've=20 had a blast. Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 puts you in every kid's dream job=97creating and=20 managing an amusement park. But don't fool yourself. It's hard work.=20 You'll have to use your management skills and your creative juices to=20 create the most popular=97and most profitable=97park you can. Almost every aspect of your amusement park needs looking after, from=20 staffing (you'll hire janitors, mechanics, grounds people, and more)=20 to promotional methods (should you spend the money advertising the=20 park in a parenting magazine?) to real estate (you can buy easements=20 on adjoining property if you're thinking about expanding your park). Many of the rides and amusements are pre-built and self-contained=97you=20 simply pick a plot of land, drop them in place, create entrance and=20 exit lines, test the rides, and then open them to the public. But if=20 the fancy strikes, you can also build and layout many parts of your=20 park yourself. This is particularly fun (and challenging) when it=20 comes to building coasters. The game's basic Career mode puts you in scenarios where you have to=20 meet objectives to unlock new parks and rides. Goals are divided into=20 3 categories: Apprentice, Entrepreneur, and Tycoon. An Apprentice=20 goal might be to keep the park clean and make specific revenue or=20 attendance goals, for example. At Tycoon level, on the other hand,=20 you might need to build coasters of specific lengths or excitement=20 levels, all while hitting monthly income targets. Despite its name, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 isn't just about roller=20 coasters. The game includes thrill rides such as spinners and swings,=20 bumper cars, circus tents, and more. You should also populate your=20 park with refreshment stands, souvenir stands, and restaurants, to=20 help keep your patrons happy and comfortable. You can also create=20 amusements such as fireworks displays, choreographing the show=20 yourself. The game includes 5 different theme parks, including a spooky park=20 full of haunted attractions, a space-age themed park, and a Wild West=20 park. Each park features its own rides and amusements. Thanks it the game's 3-D engine, you can choose to view your park=20 from a bird's eye perspective or zoom down to individual park patrons=20 (Peeps, they're called). You can even ride on the attractions you've=20 created or purchased for your park=97a particular treat. If you don't want to bother with goals and scenarios, you can focus=20 instead on building things with the game's sandbox mode. You start=20 out with an empty plot of land and an unlimited money supply to come=20 up with the park of your dreams. Graphics in Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 offers a great deal of detail,=20 except in the case of Peeps. As a result of this detail, big parks=20 can really slow down the game. After all, it's not just animating and=20 drawing rides, it's also modeling the individual thoughts and actions=20 of the hundreds of people in your park. You can tweak a dizzying=20 array of graphics settings to get the best performance on your=20 machine. That said, you'll need a 1GHz or faster Mac to play. The Windows version of Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 has been out for more=20 than a year. Does that diminish or detract from the game? Not one=20 iota, in my opinion. This game will be popular for a long time to=20 come with Mac users, I expect. not only do you get to test your=20 skills as a businessperson, you'll also tap your creativity as you=20 try to come up with truly wild and wonderful amusement park layouts=20 and ride designs. Not many other simulations can offer that. By the way, the game is rated for everyone, so it's safe for the=20 whole family to enjoy. The bottom line=20 Rollercoaster Tycoon3's arrival on the Mac is a marvelous thing. It's=20 a fun game that's sure to appeal to strategy game fans and Mac users=20 just looking to test their skills as amusement park designers.=20 Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 BETA TESTED PROS: Five different park themes; three levels of difficulty;=20 detailed 3-D graphics; sandbox mode. CONS: Performance may suffer as parks get bigger. PRICE: $50 OS COMPATIBILITY: OS X 10.3, OS X 10.4 COMPANY: Aspyr Media, www.aspyr.com --------------- Copyright 1994-2005 Mac Publishing LLC. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 00:57:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78533 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 07:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 07:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 07:57:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 07:56:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 07:56:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:56:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.145 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: LaQua / Fuji-Q Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aEm0Azc-7tF_LPTRrK2eX4Jw6_FQWhuagQdGDUndobx59mqpLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wrote: > > When: LaQua 30 May, Fuji-Q 31 May > Where: Tokyo and Shizuoka, Japan > Who: LQ Me and my GF Mayumi >=20 > 30 May: >=20 > Tokyo Dome City is a collection of several attractions including the=20 > home of the Yomiuri / Tokyo Giants baseball team, restaraunts, a=20 > shopping mall, bowling alley, hotel, and the Geopolis / Korakuen /=20 > Laqua amusements. For 4,000 yen (@$37) a wristband is available for=20 > the 3 small connected parks. I tagged this on to my previous TR for LaQua, in case anybody was interested in how Linear Gale fits into the rest of the park. After Mayumi and I finished some shopping in the Ginza district, I noticed that it was an unusually lovely day for October, so I asked her if she would mind if I checked to see if Linear Gale was operating. She said "OK," (Diamonds do tend to make a girl say yes, don't they?) so we hopped on the Marinouchi line to Korakuen station. Just outside the station is the "Big Egg," and we worked our way around to the Korakuen part of the complex. We watched for a minute, and sure enough, the train rose up the front spike, so in we went.=20 That's a nice thing about this park, it's open, so you can wander around and only pay for what you want to do, or get a wristband and do everything! I paid 800 yen for a single ticket, and hopped in line. There was a guy checking out something in the guts above the track, but I guess it was ok, because they let us on.=20 I got the front row, as everybody else ran for the back. That was OK, as I had ridden Wicked Twister and S:UE (Ohio) in the back row, and was interested in the difference.=20 I loved it! There was lots of negative and zero g's on both spikes, even though the train wasn't making it up to the spike brakes. I actually prefer this one to the twisted varieties!=20 This coaster replaced the Ultratwister (similar footprint, small park) and I think that even though they lost inversions, it was a suitable replacement.=20 Chris B Next up: Chiba Zoo Dream World, Yomiuriland (new credit), Arakawa Yuen (new credit) and maybe Hamanako PalPal. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 09:08:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17237 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 16:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 16:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 16:07:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 16:07:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:07:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: SFMW recommendations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=uFkJ21t23UI4zvLbNUIzZEtYO1SNBU7d8Z2hWysIxZw6F3E2pmcJ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani This coming Friday I'm going to be up in the Bay Area, and considering=20 that I've got a Six Flags pass for this year and haven't been to Marine=20 World before, I'm probably going to check it out. Any recommendations=20 on what to see at the park, what to do, etc.? The most interesting=20 coaster there looks like Zonga, even though it's not particularly=20 highly rated. Also, the RCDB says that it's SBNO. How similar is the=20 layout of Medusa at SFMW to Scream at SFMM? Are they clones or just=20 similar? Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Oct 17 09:21:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68772 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 16:21:22 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9HGJLQW028715 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:19:21 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:19:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <987FA946-29C9-4FE7-8074-DC7D0E96F7DD@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:19:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2005 16:19:21.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[8811F4A0:01C5D336] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Roller Coaster Physics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=U7vTl2L9eRqJETq7G5XdF_LL-Q5wZm1cMXr4YD9VhAssJX5d X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > "It makes it a lot more funner than reading a book. The book is > kind of boring." Sounds like this school should focus on grammar, not physics! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Danger * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Danger * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Oct 17 12:02:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27631 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 19:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 19:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 19:02:01 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so756355wxc for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.12 with SMTP id 12mr2405317wxi; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:02:01 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMW recommendations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=b82rQdFS8Jbo_XcgocXTc9A1NV5WwlHjmGU6eu-5W8L1QQ8QgLCaHPA X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > This coming Friday I'm going to be up in the Bay Area, and considering > that I've got a Six Flags pass for this year and haven't been to Marine > World before, I'm probably going to check it out. Any recommendations > on what to see at the park, what to do, etc.? The most interesting > coaster there looks like Zonga, even though it's not particularly > highly rated. Also, the RCDB says that it's SBNO. How similar is the > layout of Medusa at SFMW to Scream at SFMM? Are they clones or just > similar? > > Adam Medusa is quite a bit different from Scream. I personally liked it more, but I think the general opinion is usually to the contrary. It seems taller, it has a straight first drop, and it has the strange Sea Serpent inversion (I think that's what it's called), which is like a boomerang, except you come out of it on the opposite side. I actually rode them both for the first time just a few days apart from each other. Medusa just seemed a bit fuller. It's still on the parking lot though. I don't know what the deal is with Zonga. They were still working on the queue when I was there. You should try to ride V2, because it's one of the most unusual impulse coasters made, due to it's shorter height and tilted twist. And also, Roar is a very good GCI wooden coaster, so you should try for that that one too. Aside from those, most of the other coasters are fairly skippable, with only Kong (a SLC), some roller skater thing, a decent Zierer junior coaster, and a Boomerang. It shouldn't be hard to do most of the coasters fairly quickly, though. When I was there, only V2 had an appreciable line. The main problem I encountered was that V2 and Roar were closed for most of the day. Enjoy your day! -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 14:34:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5225 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 21:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 21:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 21:33:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:32:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:32:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:32:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: SFMW recommendations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aIUWt8X_B5084ggOtjAmXj3bTYTu5KWDhZlO6JMIp9fb97U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'll basically echo Ryan's thoughts. Zonga is not running - don't=20 know why. Oh, the foods rather expensive (of course). Don't bother with Fast-Lane (just in case you were thinking about=20 it), no need. If you get there early, you might be able to park closer to the trams. It's not too hard to miss the entrance drive. If you do, there's an=20 un-official turn around just up the road. Medusa if fun. Roar's allot of fun. V2 is a "blast". This Boomerang=20 isn't too bad. Kong - ouch. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > Medusa is quite a bit different from Scream. I personally liked it > more, but I think the general opinion is usually to the contrary.=20=20 It > seems taller, it has a straight first drop, and it has the strange=20 Sea > Serpent inversion (I think that's what it's called), which is like a > boomerang, except you come out of it on the opposite side. I=20 actually > rode them both for the first time just a few days apart from each > other. Medusa just seemed a bit fuller. It's still on the parking > lot though. I don't know what the deal is with Zonga. They were > still working on the queue when I was there. You should try to ride > V2, because it's one of the most unusual impulse coasters made, due=20 to > it's shorter height and tilted twist. And also, Roar is a very good > GCI wooden coaster, so you should try for that that one too. Aside > from those, most of the other coasters are fairly skippable, with=20 only > Kong (a SLC), some roller skater thing, a decent Zierer junior > coaster, and a Boomerang. It shouldn't be hard to do most of the > coasters fairly quickly, though. When I was there, only V2 had an > appreciable line. The main problem I encountered was that V2 and=20 Roar > were closed for most of the day. > Enjoy your day! > -- > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@g... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 14:44:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49433 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2005 21:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 21:44:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:43:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:43:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:43:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Michigan Adventure getting water X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RBU0Qqlc0pm-OLcxYey-dKc-atkpk1jtCrkDp8LAU9er6Ck X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 10-17-2005 White Lake Beacon http://www.whitelakebeacon.com/news.php?story_id=3D8372 Muskegon, Mi -- A flood of new jobs may well be the greatest benefit=20 of a newly signed water agreement among area townships, Muskegon=20 County and Cedar Fair's Michigan's Adventure Amusement and Water park. Last Thursday afternoon a water policy board, comprised of township=20 officials in northern and eastern Muskegon County, the county's Board=20 of Public Works and the Muskegon County Board of Commissioners signed=20 documents approving a new contract to extend water into Dalton=20 Township. While the primary focus of the water agreement has been putting=20 municipal water into MA, many neighborhoods along that corridor will=20 benefit from water. John Wilke has been active in his Dalton Township neighborhood trying=20 to convince his neighbors, his county commissioner and township=20 officials that the Blair and Hamilton properties need good drinking=20 water. "I am really excited about the prospect of having water, here,=20 within another year or 2," he said. Wilke noted that tannins have=20 given water in his community an orange cast and odor. Muskegon County Administrator James Borushko confirmed that water=20 could be delivered to MA by spring of 2007. Camille Jourden-Mark is the GM at the park and said she signed the=20 contract on Friday, Oct. 7. "Once all the other parties sign, we will=20 send it on to Cedar Fair officials," she said. "They will then send a=20 letter to the MEDC (Michigan Econommic Development Corp.) rescinding=20 a letter they sent earlier in the year." That earlier letter was sent stating the company was no longer=20 interested in a $2 million loan to grant to help pay for the project.=20 Jourden-Mark said CF will be releasing its capital improvement plan=20 for the park at the end of this month. Laketon Township Supervisor Roland Crummel said this project=20 demonstrated how slowly the wheels of government can turn, but noted=20 he was pleased with the outcome. "We've been seeking a grant from the=20 Michigan Department of Environmental Quality to get water to the=20 Greenridge subdivision off Green Creek road," he said. "The township=20 used to have about 150 oil wells in 3 or 4 sections of the township.=20 Some residual pollution from that era continues to create difficulty=20 for some wells in that subdivision." Muskegon Township Supervisor Patrick Jordan said his community is=20 always in support of putting pipe in the ground. "When that happens,=20 it brings jobs," he said of the new infrastructure plans. "This=20 project will benefit our residents and everybody in the county." Some=20 water needs are to be met along a business corridor that includes=20 Russ' Restaurant. Fruitland Township Supervisor Gregory Boughton said he looks forward=20 to the day he can go to the park and drink a glass of cold=20 water. "The park is on the extreme edge of Fruitland township, but=20 the benefit of this project is having opportunities for our young=20 people to get that first job. Or, for seasonal jobs or in some cases=20 for that year around job." The MEDC loan converts to a grant if full time jobs are created in=20 the county. MA must add 75 full time workers to its staff, said=20 Jourden-Mark. The county must prove 125 jobs have been created as a=20 result of infrastructure improvements in order to see the funds=20 convert from a loan to a grant. Muskegon County Commissioner Steve Wisniewski doesn't think 200 jobs=20 will be a problem. "I think there is a lot more potential than people=20 may realize," he said. "By the summer of 2007 we'll have water all=20 along that Whitehall Road corridor and I think we'll see strong=20 business interest in that area." ------------ Copyright =A9 2005 Shoreline Media, Inc. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:57:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2005 21:57:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:57:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Auction highlights lifetime collection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=d0OXB6tLNB4AWozZfvFGc_Gj-yVC8MBaojK4oAuTkfp2GwY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 16, 2005 Rockford Register Star http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051016/NEWS0110/110160026/1004/NEWS By MARK BONNE NEW MILFORD =97 In the 1960s, when Gary Williams' daughter and 2 sons=20 were children, he and wife Carol had a goal to visit every amusement=20 park in America. Somewhere along the line, Williams got the idea that maybe he ought=20 to bring a little amusement to his own backyard. With his kids grown and his grandchildren living in other states,=20 Williams, 66, has decided that it's time to unload his scores of=20 carnival rides and games. The Ferris wheel, carousel, space train and=20 novelties that include a rocking purple plastic Dino (the pet=20 dinosaur on "The Flintstones") and coin-operated McDonald's merry-go- round go on the auction block today and could draw buyers from around=20 the country if not the world. "It's harder than heck to get the kids=20 to come home from Grandpa's," son Craig Williams said Saturday. "It's=20 sad to see it all go." Gary Williams spent months restoring the largest ride, a 1964=20 carousel with 24 metal horses, which he bought from a traveling=20 carnival based in Philadelphia. He spent 10 years shopping for a=20 1950s-era Allen Herschell Sky Fighter, an 8-armed spinning=20 ride. "Usually, those tubs are all beat up," Williams said of the=20 aluminum warplanes with noisemaking front- and rear-mounted guns. "It=20 took me that long to find one that was in decent shape." Williams seems partial to a pair of miniature, gas-powered military=20 tanks (the last 2 produced by a company in Racine, Wis.) that operate=20 like skid loaders and shoot black rubber balls from air cannons.=20 Williams isn't shy about saying that part of his fascination for=20 carnival accouterments stems from an uneventful youth. "My dad never=20 took me anywhere but the woodshed. I tell everybody this is for the=20 kids," Williams said with a laugh, "but that's crap." Other items up for bid: An electric, 5-car Falgas Space Train with 120' of track that=20 Williams bought from a Portland, Ore., amusement park that went=20 bankrupt. Gas-powered 1940s miniature Chevrolet with 3-speed engine, adult and=20 child pedals and functional headlights and lighted hood ornament. A rockola jukebox, circa 1959, that plays 45s on a visible turntable.=20 Selections range from Chubby Checker's "The Twist" to Neil=20 Diamond's "Forever in Blue Jeans" to the cult classic "Monster Mash"=20 from 1962. "Puking Larry,"" a psychotic-looking mannequin that regurgitates=20 antifreeze into a barrel =97 a gift son Craig purchased from a pumpkin=20 farm. Jody Perry of Hack's Auction in Pecatonica said inquiries have come=20 from as far as Florida and Great Britain since she began advertising=20 today's sale. "We've been getting calls from all over the place," she=20 said. ------------ =A9 2005 Rockford Register Star From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Oct 17 17:46:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6547 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 00:46:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 00:45:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 00:45:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:45:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.40.79.144 From: "George Burnash" Subject: TR: Six Flags Astroworld (it's a long one) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PsjrMbOXYxlY6CjhAqpBgsJ5BIi39V5NDoXawkfRRJc5sEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash TR- Six Flags Astroworld October 15, 2005 The people: Me, Joey & George from the FLCC, Tim and Sarah from URC The weather: clear, warm, and pleasant. The crowds: heavy! Knowing that SFAW was getting ready to close, I managed to get=20 permission from the wife to throw together a last minute trip to the=20 park. Flying into the airport Saturday morning, I'd have enough time=20 to spend a full day at the park and fly out early the next morning.=20=20 My flight on Southwest even arrived 30 minutes early, allowing me=20 plenty of time to pick up the rental car, enjoy a great meal at Jack=20 in the Box (oh, how I miss them in Florida), and drive around the=20 park. I arrived at Reliant Field/ Astroworld around 10:30-11ish, and after=20 taking a look at the park from the outside, I headed over to the=20 parking lot- only to find a huge line waiting to get into the locked=20 gates. Cars were backed up down the street, around the corner, and=20 at least a half mile down the frontage road, if not much longer.=20=20 This wasn't looking good for a park that has supposedly suffered from=20 low crowds. Sitting at a side entrance to the lot, by myself, I was=20 looking around and realized that there were cars driving in the lot.=20=20 Looking around a bit, I realized that there was another gate not even=20 a =BC mile up the road that was open. So I headed there, pulled up,=20 paid, and drove right up to the walkway bridge leading into the park-=20 while all those other cars were still waiting to get into=20 the "official" Six Flags gate. So if you're going in the next couple=20 of weeks, skip the parking lot line and drive up to the next gate! This worked out well, as it put me right up to the front of the gates=20 to get in. Even though I had to wait a while, it at least put me=20 ahead of the mass of people behind me. They did a little two-step=20 welcome to Six Flags deal at the gate, had the inflatable dancing Mr.=20 Six, and tried to rev up the crowd a bit. Totally cheesy, but it was=20 nice that they were trying to do something to get people ready to=20 visit. After that, they opened the gates, where some costumed=20 employees were handing out maps, taking pictures, and greeting=20 people. We quickly bypassed them, turned to the right, and headed=20 over to the Texas Cyclone to begin our day. We entered through their great, traditional entry to the queue, and=20 past a couple of maintenance guys repairing a hand rail (we wondered=20 a bit why bother with only a couple of weeks left, but it was a nice=20 touch) and entered the station. After waiting a couple of minutes,=20 George and I boarded the first train while Joey waited for a front=20 seat ride on the second. The poor op that was supposed to work the=20 forward dispatch had a hard time with a few wasps flying around the=20 mini-panel. She was doing a dance while swinging a broom at them,=20 and finally got them clear enough to make a dive to the button and=20 getting us out on a jerky start to the ride. It was clear that the Cyclone had seen better days, with much of the=20 wood looking very old and weathered. For a first ride of the day it=20 wasn't bad. It wasn't rough, but it wasn't real smooth either. A=20 couple of nice drops, and some spots that certainly seemed like they=20 would give some airtime after it warmed up. But with so many people=20 coming behind us, we didn't want to wait for rerides and lose the=20 opportunity for other rides later. It was good, but I honestly=20 couldn't say if it would be very good, or tend towards bad later on.=20=20 But I did enjoy our one ride. If I had to grade it, it would be a 7=20 out of 10, with potential to go either way on the scale.=20=20 Unfortunately though, I don't see this coaster moving anywhere when=20 the park closes. From there we continued up the path to UltraTwister, the only=20 pipeline coaster in the US. Built by Togo, I was expecting a rough=20 ride. It looked great though, with a good looking recent paint job.=20=20 The seats weren't uncomfortable, though the restraint did drop rather=20 suddenly. Ride wise, this was a lot of fun. It wasn't rough by any=20 means, at least not in the front seat. A great first drop, a nice=20 pop of air at the end of the forward run, and a neat little twisting=20 finale. I really enjoyed this coaster, and would love to see it get=20 moved somewhere else, but with it's age and lower capacity, I don't=20 know that will happen. 8 out of 10 We continued our loop around the park, passing Batman which was=20 closed, though we hoped it would open later. Next in line was=20 Greezed Lightnin, which was also closed, but that was due to their=20 having a little celebration for it's one millionth ride. We tried to=20 get in and crash the party, but that didn't quite work out- though=20 they were offering to mail us tickets to get into the park again in a=20 couple of weeks. Declining the offer, we continued on again and=20 headed towards XLR-8, where we encountered another one of our "ride=20 op stories" I should make clear that I had low expectations from the park workers=20 based on reports I've heard in the past about the park as well as a=20 lot of disincentive with the park closing (Firing them wouldn't mean=20 much at this point, would it) While we saw some of that, we also=20 some some great work by some of the ops. Here, however, we were left=20 dumbfounded. In the station, sitting on the side of the platform, on=20 the ground at the edge right where the train dispatches, and with=20 nothing protecting her from the train, an op sat looking at some=20 CD's, and essentially oblivious to what was going on around her. It=20 looked like an accident waiting to happen. Thankfully it didn't=20 happen, but when we were seated in the front row waiting to go, she=20 suddenly decided that she had to hand the cd's back to the op on the=20 panel on the other side of the train from us. Nice guy that he is,=20 Joey passed the cd's over for her while both of us, as rideops, were=20 essentially dumbfounded. It wouldn't be the first time today. In any case, due to the lines that were rapidly starting to grow in=20 the park, we only did this forwards instead of taking a second trip=20 backwards in the back of the train. It provided a nice, fun ride.=20=20 There was one bump that we encountered, which came as a surprise, but=20 most of it provided some good swinging and coasting. I would have=20 liked to have had more time for rerides on this, but alas it wasn't=20 to be. It still scores a nice 7 out of 10. Better than Iron Dragon,=20 about the same as Top Gun at PKI, and below Ninja and Big Bad Wolf. Lines were growing at this point. We had waited about 10 minutes or=20 so for XLR-8- partially because they were only loading one of two=20 trains. But when we got off, it's line had more than doubled. So we=20 moved on. We passed SWAT, which was closed for the day (major=20 bummer, but it'll end up somewhere else, I'm sure) We turned instead=20 towards Mayan Mindbender- an enclosed family coaster. Looking at it,=20 we thought it was a Premier, but according to RCDB it's a Vekoma. As=20 we were queueing up outside in the very nicely landscaped and themed=20 queue, we passed their "gum target", then noticed a large number of=20 people leaving the line. "It's broken." We decided to go in and see=20 what's happening, and after some prodding of the ops, we figure out=20 that they have to do a reset (they were good about not saying it, but=20 letting us figure it out) So we decided to wait it out. Probably 15=20 minutes later, we're loading up in the odd seats on the train (see my=20 Smugmug pictures and you'll see what I mean). Essentially, it's a=20 very poor man's Space Mountain- it's all right turns inside, with one=20 left and one little tiny bunny hill. Umm, yeah, ok, that was nice.=20=20 Let's move on. 5 out of 10, got the credit, but I don't see this one=20 moving on anywhere. Finishing the loop somewhat, we looked at Serial Thriller- which had=20 a full and overflowing queue. Oh my=85. At least 90 minute wait for=20 it. For an SLC. Don't think so. Back to the back of the park we=20 go. Batman was still closed, and George and Joey were hungry, so we=20 stopped at the Western Smokehouse where they ate and I glanced in a=20 couple of shops since I wasn't hungry. It was around this time that=20 Tim called since he had just arrived at the park. We met with them=20 at the entrance to Greezed Lighnin, which was now open, and waited in=20 the 30-40 minute or so line that was rapidly growing. The ops were=20 doing a good job of kicking the trains out quickly and efficiently.=20=20 It was also here that we had another "ride op moment." A family was in line next to us with 2 kids around 10 and 12 years=20 old, and a little girl they had brought through the line in a=20 stroller. None of the kids wanted to ride, and they didn't have any=20 clue what they were doing with the kid in the stroller. Mom and Dad,=20 in fact were oblivious, pushed her through the gate, then were going=20 to leave her there on the wrong side of the gate next to the train.=20=20 They got in and pretty much forgot everything else, with the 12 year=20 old was crying, the 10 year old was stunned, and the op was trying to=20 figure out what the heck they were doing. She finally gets fed up=20 with the stupidity, tells them to get up, and picks up the stroller-=20 kid still in it, and walks it over and through the train to the other=20 side. Then tells the other 2 kids to go with the stroller and down=20 the ramp. When the mom started to say something, she told her sorry,=20 they're not riding that way, now get in (not that bluntly though).=20=20 After some more shuffling, she finally gets them in and we can go.=20=20 It's the way that I would have loved to handle something like, and=20 Joey and I both gave her praise for it, but we agreed that if tried=20 that at Busch or Sea World, our jobs would likely be done. The ride itself was fantastic. This may be the best shuttle loop=20 I've been on, with a great launch, g's and hangtime in the loop, and=20 huge air on the back spike. More than I ever experienced on Tidal=20 Wave or Montezooma's. Joey, who had been on Monty the week before=20 was in complete agreement. This is an awesome ride, that I really=20 hope can be preserved somehow, but I'm not real optimistic on it. At=20 least a 9 out of 10. It was now around 3pm, and we were trying to fill in what we'd=20 missed, and maybe catch a couple of other rides. We walked towards=20 Viper and ended up missing it's entrance. However, since we ended up=20 at the Bamboo Chute, er, Ozark Splash, we took a round on it- again=20 after a 30 minute line that moved sporadically. I'm glad we did for=20 one reason- waiting in line we were able to spot Serpent, the Arrow=20 mini-mine train, that we would have totally missed otherwise. The flume was fun, and we then got in the only other short line we'd=20 see all day. 15 minutes to get on the coaster. Joey and I crammed=20 into one seat, George had his own, and Tim and Sarah took a round=20 after us. It's essentially a long figure eight, and with the bumps=20 is obviously an Arrow. They give you two rounds before bringing you=20 to a stop on the computer controlled skid brakes. The lap bars are=20 released by a foot pedal within easy reach of the front row of the=20 car, and we saw a lot of people taking advantage of that. A fun=20 kiddie coaster, but with the brakes and safety deal, I don't see it=20 going anywhere. 5-6 out of 10. We found our way through the crowd with Tim and Sarah's help and got=20 in line for Viper, which was out of the queue house. Still, the wait=20 wasn't to bad, and they did decent for one train operations. Not=20 that there was any choice since I didn't see a second train=20 anywhere. It was also as we were about to get on that we witnessed=20 another ride op moment. Coming into the final brake run, the brakes stopped the train short=20 of reaching the drive tires, leaving it stuck without any way to move=20 forward. And we watched, dumbfounded again, as a couple of the ops=20 promptly jumped off the loading platform and, without locking out,=20 headed right out into the ride area and walked over to the train.=20=20 Locking out, if you're not familiar with it, is a basic safety=20 procedure to make sure that the ride doesn't operate when you're out=20 where you can get hit by the train and injured or killed. Guess that=20 doesn't matter much here. What was really shocking was when=20 maintenance arrived. They released the brakes, also walked out, and=20 then an op and one of the maintenance workers climbed on the track=20 and began to push the train until it reached the tires!! Then they=20 all walked back to the station, sent the train on one test run, and=20 started boarding. Effective, but we were shocked at the apparent=20 lack of concern for what seemed to me to be basic safety procedures.=20=20 If the train had rolled the wrong way or anything unexpected had=20 happened, we could have been looking at a serious injury or worse. In any case, the ride itself was fantastic. We took the back of the=20 train, and this may have been the best ride of the day. This is one=20 awesome coaster in every way, and I really, really hope that they=20 find a way to save this coaster. 10 out of 10. We walked around some more, looking at flat rides, admiring the nice=20 theming that was left in the park (it obviously used to be a very=20 pretty, well themed park. Much was intact, though certainly=20 neglected in recent years), and enjoying what we could of the park=20 with the crowds. Most of the flats had lines spilling out of their=20 queues, and people were everywhere. It certainly seems that word=20 that the park is closing is out and everyone is trying to get in=20 their last visits before it's gone. But it makes it difficult to get=20 on many rides, and with no Fastlane or other options, it means long=20 waits for anything. Those visiting soon, be prepared for lots of=20 people. By this time, Batman had reopened. This was one of the first stand=20 up coasters, and it certainly looks like B&M had a part in it. While=20 it used to sit at SFMM, I can't remember if I rode it back then or=20 not, so I was happy to finally get a chance to ride it. After=20 dealing with a large number of line jumpers, including some jr rotc=20 kids that are going to get a shock when their drill sergeant receives=20 my emailed pictures of them (ain't I a stinker? Hehe), we finally=20 made it up to the station, and into line for the back of the train.=20=20 The restraints have one "arm loop" fixed while the otsr comes down=20 and provides the other one, so you kind of slip in and out sideways=20 when the otsr is up. They have a very strict policy of no earings.=20=20 If you wear them, you can't ride. You have to take them off. Joey=20 was going to argue, but figured it wasn't worth it, and ended up=20 being grateful once he learned why. To say that Batman is rough would be kind. Many know my feelings=20 about Mantis, but this makes Mantis look great. Rough isn't a strong=20 enough word. I had head shots- side and back of the head, as well as=20 several shots to the sides from the hard restraints. And that was=20 with riding defensively putting my head out as far as it goes. I got=20 my credit, now scrap it. At best it would get a 1. Sadly, that was=20 the last ride of the day. We made our way to the gift shops before we left. Everything is=20 marked down, with most of it at least 50% off, and some of it more.=20=20 There weren't any magnets left, but there was a good amount of park=20 specific merchandise available, which was a nice change from some of=20 the Six Flags parks. I had to pick up one shirt though that had me=20 laughing, between the "Wish you were here" slogan on it for a closing=20 park, to the pictures on it- which were all coasters at SFMM, not=20 Astroworld. But it was fun shopping. Overall, I really liked the park, and find it a shame that it's going=20 to be closing. The employees had some great work shirts (e.g. If you=20 can't handle the heat, get out of Ops) and most looked like they=20 enjoyed their jobs and were sad to see them go. It was a pretty=20 park, though Six Flags had done their normal, "Theming? What's=20 that?" over the last few years. I'm happy that I was able to sneak=20 in a visit before it's gone. Thanks also to Joey and George for making the trip out with me from=20 Florida. Tim and Sarah, it was great to meet up with you for the=20 first time, and I have a feeling we'll be seeing each other again.=20=20 And Pat (Lonestar on URC) it was great to meet you, even if it was=20 only over dinner. If I ever need a genuine Texan for a picture, I'll=20 be sure to call you. Pictures are available on sirwillow.smugmug.com in the travel/=20 amusement parks category. Thanks for sticking with me for the looonnnngggg read. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 18:22:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54450 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 01:22:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 01:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 01:21:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:21:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.174.126 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Six Flags Astroworld (it's a long one) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=F4FoUGBIauqnEozcVDuiCv6wq365-4ZDA4NYPekw46X3PdKaMBm2 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Just a thought... it's been mentioned that Six Flags is under contract to keep a theme park operating at SFNO. If they do in fact reopen SFNO, and if some of the rides there are beyond repair, I wonder if some of SFAW's rides will end up in New Orleans. Adam From coasterdude318@gmail.com Mon Oct 17 21:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2209 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 04:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 04:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qproxy.gmail.com) (72.14.204.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 04:45:37 -0000 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so977056qbq for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.242.7 with SMTP id u7mr64082qbr; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.180.20 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:45:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Six Flags Astroworld (it's a long one) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=l7opRdlWB7Ach5a1RosKk8FniWWO5b1RiyHHin4P2aVo3tczjwcjupw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > We found our way through the crowd with Tim and Sarah's help and got > in line for Viper, which was out of the queue house. Still, the wait > wasn't to bad, and they did decent for one train operations. Not > that there was any choice since I didn't see a second train > anywhere. Huh? http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/892098/2/40451518 ;-) -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 18 03:09:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77699 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 10:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 10:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 10:09:07 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ERoOZ-00070o-TW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4354C9A4.8080100@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:08:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478852054ce2b0de0fcba87d72e4361a6aa6b624a48e4cd6323350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Six Flags Astroworld (it's a long one) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=AK8Ai50XPdC5J2fTG-sDfsvqHbPT429x3XTfAlYYL7RkR-s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate K. wrote: > > We found our way through the crowd with Tim and Sarah's help and got > > in line for Viper, which was out of the queue house. Still, the wait > > wasn't to bad, and they did decent for one train operations. Not > > that there was any choice since I didn't see a second train > > anywhere. > > Huh? http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/892098/2/40451518 > > ;-) > Slaps self in forehead. Yeah, it is pretty obvious there, isn't it. Guess I was thinking so much about them pushing the train... :) At least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. To respond to Adam's question- I'd say that SFNO is a strong guess as to where a lot of what's sitting at SFAW is going to go. But I'm sure that they'll send some of it out other places also. Seems logical that if any park gets more than others that would be it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 09:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84380 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 16:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 16:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 16:00:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 15:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 15:59:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:59:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Water, amusement park proposed for DeKalb County X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rhr2Bs3-OIqSq9jaPldC1w_e5t7Hwlu7L_RlnOIUPn-PoLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 17, 2005 Atlanta Business Chronicle http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/10/17/daily14.html? from_rss=3D1 by Bryan Long A developer has proposed building a massive indoor water and=20 amusement park in DeKalb County's Stonecrest district. Top Flight Development LLC filed an application Monday afternoon with=20 the Department of Community Affairs for a project that would include=20 a 70,000-sq-ft water park and a 140,000-sq-ft indoor amusement park. Details of the project, to be called Fun World Palace & Resort,=20 remain unclear. The developer was not available for comment. The=20 DeKalb County Planning Department said the proposal is in the=20 conceptual stage. In addition to the amusement park, the application calls for 2=20 residential towers with 225 units each; a 400-room hotel; a 6,500- seat performing arts center; 110,000 sq-ft of retail; and an office=20 building with 120,000 sq-ft. In addition, plans call for 2 parking decks: one with 1,400 spaces=20 and another with 8,000. Sabrina Freeney, director of DeKalb's planning department, said a=20 mixed-use development is not out of line with the needs of the=20 Stonecrest area. "Undoubtedly, we would like to see a multi-use=20 project in the Stonecrest district, especially if its well-designed,"=20 Freeney said. However, Freeney was quick to note that Top Flight's proposal=20 is "very conceptual." "They're still shopping it around," she said. The development would be built out over 4-5 years between Chupp Road,=20 to the north, and Hillandale Road, to the south. ---------- =C2=A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 09:12:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75976 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 16:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 16:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 16:12:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:11:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:11:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:11:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Downtown_proposals_=91pique_interest=92?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dcdz50Ltv5x6PYJREXCvH4AC2AmsgrF6bvMXeuoAB605gY8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 18, 2005 Palatka Daily News http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2005/10/18/news/news02.txt By Cheryl Lock PALATKA, FL -=97 Retail stores, residential housing that could include=20 a pair of 28-story skyscrapers, restaurants, hotels, office space,=20 marina facilities, a water park, amusement park and Jet-ski rentals. Those are some of the things the downtown redevelopment committee=20 heard when it met Monday afternoon at city hall to unveil the 4=20 proposals it received for the revitalization project. "I would have=20 liked to see more, but what we've got has piqued my interest," Main=20 Street Manager Cathy Butler said. Proposals were received from Vestcor and James Williams, both based=20 in Jacksonville, Befrank in Boca Raton and HELD investment properties=20 in St. Augustine. Vestcor=20 The development team for Vestcor will consist of founder John D. Rood=20 and President & CEO Mark T. Farrell, according to the proposal, and=20 its vision for Palatka "incorporates retail, residential housing,=20 restaurants and adequate parking." Vestcor has plans to include a development consisting of 4 buildings,=20 including 28 two-story townhomes, 96 condominium flats, 23,000 sq-ft=20 of retail/commercial; 175 parking spaces and a marina adjacent to the=20 riverfront park, according to the proposal. The company proposes to welcome pedestrians with ground-level retail=20 possibilities. They call for two 4-story buildings facing each other,=20 with condominium flats on the 2nd through 4th floors. Riverfront=20 views will be made possible from two 7-story buildings, with floors 1=20 & 2 being made up of 2-story townhomes and floors 3-7 with=20 condominium flats. Overall, the Vestcor proposal is calling for 124 units of=20 condominiums. Financially, the plan calls for $5,200,000 of private capital, a=20 $44,600,000 overall development budget and a $50,000,000 estimated=20 value at completion. The company said its project would be completed 36 months after it=20 began construction. Befrank Inc. Befrank is managing the Palatka Riverwalk Company project, a proposal=20 including 121 units of residential space, 48 rooms for hotels, 8,000=20 sq-ft of office space, 21,000 sq-ft of retail space, 12,000 sq-ft for=20 restaurants, 5,000 sq-ft for marina facilities and 400 spaces for=20 parking. The proposal by the Palatka Riverwalk Company keeps James C. Goodwin=20 Riverfront Park a public park, and incorporates the amphitheater as a=20 focal point of the riverfront. James Williams James Williams presented his proposal, River Side Port of Palatka=20 Transportation Center, which included a water park and an amusement=20 park, The Riverport Marine and Transportation Center and a downtown=20 shopping district. Williams' plans for Palatka include a lazy river, water slides and a=20 tidal pool. They also include go-carts and a tilt-a-whirl, a ferris=20 wheel and kiddie rides. In the Riverport Marine and Transportation=20 Center there would be Jet-ski rentals, a hovercraft landing, a=20 parking ferry, pontoon boat rentals, pleasure boat rentals, guided=20 river tours and parasailing, among other things. Along with walking tours and horse-drawn carriages in the downtown=20 shopping district, Williams' plan calls for 15,000-plus sq-ft of=20 shopping, 30,000-plus convention space and 200 hotel suites with=20 inside parking. The proposal also has restaurants including KonTiki, a Polynesian=20 ceremonial house with theater style seating for dinner; a Coca-Cola=20 Diner; and The New Yorker, a New York-style coffee shop with=20 authentic ethnic menus open 24 hours. With all of the new business the River Side Port of Palatka hopes to=20 bring to Palatka, the proposal projects 573 full-time jobs from entry=20 level through management. The 573 jobs convert into $9 million in new=20 payroll, not including tourist money. The proposal expects $70 million in new infrastructure and a $30=20 million annual gross revenue. HELD Investment Properties, LLP HELD Investment Properties developed what it calls City of Palatka=20 Riverfront Development, a proposal calling for a joint project=20 between HELD and Triple Five. The plan calls for 5 main structures and 3 additional riverfront=20 docks. The Landmark Center would be a 7-story mixed-use building=20 adjacent to Reid Street. It would contain approximately 24,000 sq-ft=20 of commercial space on the 1st floor, approximately 580 parking=20 spaces on the 2nd & 3rd floors, a 4th floor with approximately 54,000=20 sq-ft of hotel and office uses and floors 5-7 with approximately 120=20 residential condominiums. Also included are 3-story waterfront townhomes, a series of 5=20 buildings along the river with 25 residential units. Each building=20 would include 1st-floor garages and access to First Street South and=20 the river. The high-rise condominiums proposed would be 8 stories, southwest of=20 the First Presbyterian Church. The high-rises would contain 80=20 residential units and 150 parking spaces, while neo-traditional=20 residential units would be 2 stories high and include 20 units. The yacht club/marina proposed would be a mixed-use commercial=20 building including the marina, office space, restaurant and=20 additional commercial space. The yacht club would be a 25,000-sq-ft=20 building including a 2-story structure with approximately 24,000 sq- ft of additional space for parking of vehicles and boats. The RDFQ rating matrix also was handed out at the meeting. Committee=20 members are to rate each of the 5 proposals based on 5 criteria,=20 including developer's ownership organization and member composition,=20 developer's demonstrated financial stability, developer's finance,=20 design, construction and operations teams, examples or Web links to=20 projects similar in scope that the developer has been the principal=20 or participated with and preliminary project plans. The committee will turn their matrix by 11a.m. Monday and use the=20 rating to decide which firms they want to interview. A public meeting=20 will take place at 5p.m. on Monday in the city chambers, at which=20 time a mathematical summary of the matrix results will be provided. If no proposals are found to be adequate, the committee will start=20 over with the bidding process. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 09:20:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 263 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 16:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 16:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 16:20:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:20:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:20:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood states that Tax is unfair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZDoxHZZWtVMryPPd5fcjUZvfxTpUNzbAo1m07MFAaNdEnnE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 15, 2005 Associated Press Times Leader http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/breaking_news/12908072 .htm WEST MIFFLIN, Pa. -- Attorneys for Kennywood Park have asked a judge=20 to revoke the borough's right to levy an amusement tax, claiming the=20 park is the only entertainment business in the borough that is forced=20 to pay it. Kennywood Entertainment Partners wants an Allegheny County judge to=20 not only revoke the tax but force West Mifflin to repay millions it=20 has collected from the park since 1999. The historic park has paid=20 more than $2.7 million to the borough since 2002, according to its=20 lawsuit, but the total proposed refund wasn't immediately available. Borough officials didn't immediately return calls for comment Friday. Kennywood's attorneys say the 10% tax is unfair because other sports=20 venues, golf courses, nightclubs and other "amusement" establishments=20 aren't forced to pay it. In 1989, the borough capped the tax at $1 per patron, at which time=20 Kennywood paid about $500,000 a year. But the borough removed the cap=20 in December 2003, which almost doubled the tax on the historic park,=20 Kennywood's attorneys said. The tax is split evenly between the borough and a local school=20 district. ------------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 09:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68803 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 16:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2005 16:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 16:41:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:40:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2005 16:40:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:40:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: LaSalle Expressway won't extend to 'Oz' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=31ovUxyFOgiR-chqzoWSRUYbMJ5PG_cgoBJfGL4ZLqzHZZ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 10/18/2005 The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051018/1054116.asp By THAD KOMOROWSKI WHEATFIELD, NY - The state probably won't extend the LaSalle=20 Expressway to the proposed "Wizard of Oz" theme park, town officials=20 said Monday. During a public hearing on the application for the environmental=20 impact study needed for the project, Supervisor Timothy E. Demler=20 said it wasn't in the cards that the state Department of=20 Transportation would finance an extension of the expressway into the=20 park. The cost, which was not disclosed, was indicated as the reason. The park is proposed for a 527-acre area off River and Williams=20 roads. The expressway ends on Williams Road near the intersection=20 with River Rd. According to projections by the developers, Oz Central, LLC., up to=20 85% of the thousands of visitors to the park would use the expressway=20 and Niagara Falls Blvd. to get there. Traffic congestion in the area because of the park is a major concern=20 of residents. However, Demler was quick to point out that the traffic flow would be=20 the same because of the proximity of the current expressway exit to=20 the proposed park access road. The access road is on the east side of=20 Williams Rd, "somewhere near" the Niagara County Water District=20 building, he said. A detailed site plan map was not available at the=20 meeting. The Town Board has been conducting hearings on the project since=20 August to solicit public input on the $750 million plan. The=20 developers want the zoning designation to be changed to manufacturing=20 for some of the land it plans to buy from Forest City Land Group. According to Town Attorney Robert O'Toole, the initial application=20 for the zoning change had to be withdrawn because of errors and=20 another hearing had to be held on the new version. O'Toole said that the state environmental impact review had to go=20 forward before the board would make a decision on the zoning. As part=20 of the review, the board would send letters to parties of interest=20 before it became lead agency in the review, he said. An environmental=20 impact scooping session would be scheduled for late November or=20 December, and a preliminary site plan would be submitted at that=20 time, according to O'Toole. ------------ Copyright 1999 - 2005 - The Buffalo News From jeremy.daniels@verizon.net Tue Oct 18 20:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeremy.daniels@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43799 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2005 03:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2005 03:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2005 03:06:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2005 03:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2005 03:06:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:06:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.153.49.178 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: MISC: Rollercoaster Tycoon for Mac X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=144327275; y=uzrqH6vmZlCBZzX6PECFKFs1ZiKfqJDTCAWpaYqmOe1-bAR2fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg Like L.L. said, Don't Call It A ComeBack.... --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: after trading in my year and a half old Windows Box this past January, I wa= s only able to=20 salvage my old WARCRAFT 3 titles over to my iBook. I never really got to play w/ my RCT3 that much, since my PC couldn't handl= e it, so I was=20 forced to let a friend borrow it. Now I can't wait for it to come out for MAC and hopefully it'll be as fun a= s it looks, and not as=20 hard as it was to play on the ol' PC where it took 5 minutes to load the fr= ont screen! jeremy D. From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Oct 19 09:31:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2429 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2005 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2005 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2005 16:31:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2005 16:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2005 16:30:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:30:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: LaSalle Expressway won't extend to 'Oz' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=ijFgAdJVlUhYIa5Y6gzS7ahVRwBBO655SS598tI8S5CxoMe9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > According to projections by the developers, Oz Central, LLC., up to=20 > 85% of the thousands of visitors to the park would use the expressway=20 > and Niagara Falls Blvd. to get there. >=20 > Traffic congestion in the area because of the park is a major concern=20 > of residents. How can traffic congestion be much of a concern? The parkway they are talking about is six lanes across (three per side) and was deserted when I was up there. In the approx. five mile stretch of the parkway, they may have been a dozen cars on the highway. Citing congestion on the highway is borderline absurd, and not extending it will only make the secondary roads worse! If they are worried about congestion, isn't keeping the motorists on the highway the most logical thing to do? Gosh I hate when people are picky like this. That area was very economically depressed, they should welcome any stimulus to yet another weak rust belt economy. Maybe I missed something, correct me if I did. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 02:31:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49305 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 09:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2005 09:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 09:31:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 09:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2005 09:26:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:26:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WFwT8Gpp1PucgtXTdmoF6CubyQGgEbB-Oln0bdOZoF6SLK_wkA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 (Crickets chirping) From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 23:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46361 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2005 06:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2005 06:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.56.23) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2005 06:35:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:34:00 GMT X-Originating-Email: [coasterclown@hotmail.com] X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1129912392.327.5349.m20@yahoogroups.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 02:34:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 06:34:00.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[964D6D20:01C5D6D2] X-Originating-IP: 64.4.56.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Coaster Clown" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1887 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=NX_ZhfBK0UqJmGjXl0nhUXcaZhsc9RE6GTno4P6Vtu2QYGC7rg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg >(Crickets chirping) **stomps on cricket** Jeremy D. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2005 23:38:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2005 23:38:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:38:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-GEk0L29hPCJge5AzKozbfIEq-5Xdq8lnLGDpcrx504TkwMBug X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie Renaissance? 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to reach new heights with the current technology? 3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. Any takers? Chris B From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Oct 22 17:47:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83708 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 00:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 00:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 00:47:54 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id r.1e3.4707dc6c (15862) for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6435adcc138d; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:43:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:43:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <435ADCAF.8010307@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=Kxk7nd-bxVH4JDQgu3wdZ6I81YmoS9_OxFdi2lmhWrNMSTz5PA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 10/22/2005, 7:38 PM: > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? > > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? > > 3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? > > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. > > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. > > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. > > Any takers? > > Chris B I am game. How about this, since I didn't see it mentioned here. Dick Knoebel announced at PPP that they are indeed working on a wooden Flying Turns and expect to have it up and running in a year or two. Later that night I was talking to Leonard Adams about it, and he said they pretty much had it planned out, they right now just issues with having the trains built and designing them to meet modern safety standards. He also expects these trains to cost a fortune, since they will have to be custume built and the park can't do that part. He said they have alot of the wood already, and the staff would construct the ride itself. I am really looking forward to this, though it may not be until 2007 that this ride gets up and running. It is a ride that has not been seen, at least here in the US, in nearly 40 years. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Oct 22 23:16:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92100 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 06:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 06:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.197) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 06:16:19 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so630109wxc for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.16 with SMTP id t16mr1247076wxt; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:16:18 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <435ADCAF.8010307@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <435ADCAF.8010307@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=nXv8pFSfQPzBKxgmLFL9pjTFQ6LGWXCnP2epG18wHc0F5Otztyz-d3E X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > I am game. How about this, since I didn't see it mentioned here. Dick > Knoebel announced at PPP that they are indeed working on a wooden Flying > Turns and expect to have it up and running in a year or two. That's really cool! I hope the layout is at least half as awesome looking as some of the old designs were. I was really hoping a while ago that something like this would be built, especially after seeing that bobsled article in RollerCoaster! and the design for a modern flying turns (made by Mack, I think). It looked a lot more exciting than a lot of the other steel bobsleds out there (which are also made by Mack, usually). If you need topics of discussion, I know a good one. What do you think of that really fast, magnet launched freefall ride at the Six Flags in Southern California? Very coaster-like, is it not? ;-P -- Ryan "Gonna try and take the bus to Disneyland tomorrow, since my annual pass expires on Monday, and I don't have any other way of getting there" Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 03:48:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4832 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:48:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lrqTCbREdmDkwV78V-44jRIPvtzIYk1yo_dt4kPXfbMq9AHfQw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks wrote: > If you need topics of discussion, I know a good one. What do you > think of that really fast, magnet launched freefall ride at the Six > Flags in Southern California? Very coaster-like, is it not? ;-P >=20 > -- > Ryan "Gonna try and take the bus to Disneyland tomorrow, since my > annual pass expires on Monday, and I don't have any other way of > getting there" Snooks > Xcoaster@g... I am pretty thrilled to hear more confirmation of Knoebels' plans.=20 As for the magnet launched freefall ride... I made up my mind a few months ago. I'm going to be lazy and let Duane at RCDB decide what I think is a coaster and what isn't. His site has everything I count, and nothing I don't.=20 Which settles me on Supe and it's half twin in Australia.=20 Chris B I went to the Chiba Zoo and made a return trip to Arakawa Yuen today. TR to follow soon. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Oct 23 06:10:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39369 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 13:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 13:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 13:10:27 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ETfbz-0003uR-Nm for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:10:07 -0400 Message-ID: <435B8BB6.8090701@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:10:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aecb38a88504d0ce5a4010951d9cf39c01e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bS8aV3w-Pd5DIl-gZ1utBMDX912KgQupH6rQJU0ILzwJ84Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Still catching up myself, though I think that this little storm that supposed to start rolling in tonight will help a bit (might actually get my TR for Cypress Gardens written up) But there were these: Chris wrote: > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? No complaints from me at all! It does seem to go in cycles, and we're in a wood cycle now. Wonder how Walter B. feels since he seems to think that woodies have to be rough. > > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? Personally, a lot of me hopes so. I'd much rather have a "less tall, no records, but a durn good ride" coaster than a a huge thing with nothing to it anyways. > > 3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? Still waiting for the release on Tatsu to decide if it's worth getting excited about. But Voyage and Beech Bends both look great, as does the new Bull on the scene. > > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. To many to list still. :P > > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. Not ususual. Bout the same kind of news as when SheiKra got stopped on the top of the list a week or so ago. It happens, and a lot more than people realize, but it's not news. At least not to me. Heck, I've seen Riddler's vallied a couple of times to. > > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. Don't know yet, but I've got some vain hopes to get back to Branson. We'll see if that one happens or not. Otherwise, the only other thing we might do is head up near DC, but no idea if we'll include any parks in that or not. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From onhisown@comcast.net Sun Oct 23 07:16:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2407 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 14:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 14:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 14:16:46 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005102314164001300fgb7ee>; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:16:40 +0000 Message-ID: <02bc01c5d7dc$47407230$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Marko" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=L8lOZMmdHhUz2f3uZW1JAhuKwULAm-H21ab-OGvpnhr_C5z72zI X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? It sure seems like it with Avalanche, Hades, J2 and it just seems to keep getting better with The Voyage, El Toro and Beech Bend's new GCI. I just wish it would catch on more! My home park is VF and they're adding a giant swingswet for around the same price as Hades if I'm not mistaken. :( > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? I think/hope so here as well. It would be great to see a 500+ foot high 7,000+ foot long coaster surface someday but I don't think in the U.S. the economy could support that big of an investment, even by the parks most likely to consider it. What has me scratching my head is why they haven't been able to get the SRoS formula right. Hopefully Intamin will redesign their trains/seats and there will be a steel hyper renaissance someday too. There are a lot of steel coasters I love but my absolute favorite, as in leagues above the rest, is SRoS at SFNE. Please, more of these! > New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? The Voyage, Beech Bend's new GCI and from a distance El Toro. > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. That's easy, The Voyage! Simply because Hades is now my favorite woodie. GG clearly know what they are doing and wherever they build I will follow. > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. That in general coaster manufacturers need to spend more time in design and development before marketing new technologies. > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. The only parks that are for certain are HW and Beech Bend. Would love to do a three week trip and add Branson, Magic Springs & Crystal Falls, SFoG and the ACE Con in Florida but it's doubtful I can afford more than a week trip. I would hate to see a year go by without hitting Indiana Beach and Lost Coaster Weekend. Of course there will be a day trip or two to the Dells, probably will only hit VF for the ACE Preservation Conference. Overall though it's looking pretty certain 2006 will be the year of non-chain parks for me. Mark From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 23 14:57:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27563 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2005 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 21:57:44 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9NLvffe000518 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:57:41 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:57:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:57:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2005 21:57:41.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA81DF40:01C5D81C] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=csXFClj4aPNhQ9xGsamRAmd-cwLj6zpYPXaRn09so0nkwSWH X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? I would say that "Renaissance" is going a bit far .. it's really just a bunch of smaller parks who are all building rides at around about the same time. They usually can't afford massive steel, so they go with wood (Great Adventure is, of course, the exception). Now, I'm not complaining about this one bit .. Can't have enough good wooden coasters! > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? Hope so .. Several things over the last few years have just been so embarrassing. > 3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? Probably Voyage most of all .. although that may change as more stuff is announced. > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. Knoebels and Boulder Dash. > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. Coasters valley. X was a huge undertaking, and it's unrealistic to expect it to run flawlessly - unless it was designed/built by B&M! > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. A few months back I threw this together during an especially boring day at my old job: http://www.buzzneon.com/summer_2006/ Subject to changes, obviously.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Yellow, Black * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** and Rectangular * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jophish17@comcast.net Sun Oct 23 23:07:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92612 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 06:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 06:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 06:07:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 06:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 06:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 06:07:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:07:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02bc01c5d7dc$47407230$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=tiGRJStshOV5XySW7s_HYFHrDKd5GuhDebeLGjAJusSFFVJ7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? I think a rejuevenation has been going on for 15 years or so, its just picked back up again now that the industry is back at pre-9/11 levels. > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? I hope so. I'd be more impressed with record breakers using traditional methods, but then again, that would be more expensive. > New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? No love for Goliath? Well, I practically HAVE to vote for it, since it's both in my home park and I thouroughly enjoyed the other B&M hypers I've been on. All three woodies are lookin' good as well, and I'm getting interested in Speed Monster, especially after seeing that the first inversion will be new. > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. Tough call, but I'd go with one of the middle-of-nowhere CCI's (Silverwoodies, NM Rattler come to mind) or either of the Gravity Group designs. GeForce is high on the list as well. > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. It's X. I'm just happy I got to ride it. :-) > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. Besides my local parks, I'll probably go to Florida at least once or twice. I'm going to try and visit Wild Adventures I and II, assuming Starliner opens on schedule. I'm also heading north a bit and plan on visiting Beech Bend, Holiday World, Indiana Beach, Michigan's Adventure, Great American and the Dells. Possibly Kentucky Kingdom and PKI if I feel like it (neither park interests me much). I'm also headed to the UK and then Sweden and Norway next summer. It should be another great year! Oh yea, Schiltterbahn Galveston! From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 00:39:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74838 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 07:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 07:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 07:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 93723 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2005 07:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20051024073932.93721.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.3.97.181] by web51104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:39:32 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:39:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=r-NhpvFzUVyei5xeEmHKgAIHfmLE1tztE-pUCS7-YjOg0NWXqiVZ_vkq X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil --- Joseph Rehanek wrote: > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie Renaissance? Renaissance is pushing it, but with Intamin's new system-design and Gravity Group building some wild rides, it's definitely a new age and exciting. Let's not forget Knoebel's building the Flying Turns, so while we have new styles, we also are going to get a dose of a classic woodie again. I can't complain. > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to reach new heights with the current technology? I'm not an expert, but it sure seems that way. Case in point is the rockets: Xcelerator and Storm Runner seem to run alright and have avoided major mishaps. Kingda Ka and TTD have had some real issues. The force they launch at is considerably larger and more stressful. Like George said, I'd much rather see shorter, slower (somewhat), but more well-rounded experiences. I'll take Storm Runner over Dragster any day. >3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down for? Since Magic Mountain could be building a terrain flyer, and it's closest to me. But I'm looking forward to Voyage and Beech Bend's GCII. I can't wait to ride them next year. I'm hoping to ride Goliath as well next season, and possibly El Toro. > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. I added a few of my top U.S. ones (N.M. Rattler, Hades, Avalanche) this season and was handsomely rewarded. I'd love to get to S:RoS and Nitro, those always seem to avoid me. I'm hoping to get to Lakeside this year and ride Cyclone and visit that park (love the oldies). Foreigns: Expedition GeForce, Balder and pretty much any custom Schwarzkopf coaster (BMRX in Japan comes to mind). > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. I'm glad I didn't go to SFMM like I planned two weeks ago. :) > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. I'm making a road-trip to IB (went there this year but storms limited me to just the coasters and one or two other rides in between lightning and downpours.), Holiday World, Beech Bend, Dollywood, Lake Winnie (need to ride the Fly-o-Plane) and SFoG. I'm also hoping to go to the Denver parks and Cliff's in the Spring and some Cali parks in the early winter. Also, the obligitory Castles n' Coasters and AZ State Fair in October (look for a TR for my upcoming trip in a week or two). Getting a a job promotion with guaranteed vacation and more money to make trips will make 2006 my best year yet. -Bryan __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 00:58:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83135 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 07:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 07:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 07:58:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 07:58:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 07:58:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:58:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=MTN2yteGfrs3jWvQAW64MWUQSWMV1Rk8OJTJoSu0UhrMoU4rkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rehanek" wrote: I'm also headed to the UK and then Sweden and Norway next summer. It should be another great year! Joe, are you doing the TPR trip? Chris B From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Oct 24 07:43:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41317 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 14:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 14:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qproxy.gmail.com) (72.14.204.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 14:43:49 -0000 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so519178qba for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr437519qba; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:43:49 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=J0Dt5JJ0rnysHwKSprWieAUxNi7kMvkxFKnHzjX8lCGTYC3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/3407345 I came home to find this article in my email box and shed a little tear for the park I experienced this weekend for the first and last time. The gang: myself, Nate, Chris, Dave, Craig, Gage, Matt and Andy When throwing this trip together over the last few weeks, we'd been labeling it "Misery Loves Company" but I can't bring myself to keep that label. I did love the company, but I wasn't miserable. It's amazing what going into a park with expectations of "hell on earth" and "the armpit of the chain" and "worse than SFKK and SFA" will do to your perception. It's the oposite of anticipointment and while there were definitely things that weren't great, when you go in with the low expectations I had, even the mediocre can impress. It may be the black sheep of the family, but I saw a good base, good bones, good theming, good landscaping and while nothing stood out as exceptionally grand, there was very little that stood out as exceptionally awful either. I obviously didn't have the same experiences others have had, though. Even others who were there this same weekend. Basically, I didn't hate it. Friday night, my flight landed across town around 9.. I got my rental car, took off for the park and cruised through the recently unstaffed parking booth at quarter past 10. Craig and Gage were already in the park, so were Nate and Chris, but from the sounds of things they had gone in oposite directions upon arrival and had all ridden about the same number of rides, but only a few that overlapped each other. The park was busy, but not packed, and they were averaging 1/2 an hour per ride. I walked the walk, accross the bridge, through security, through another huge plaza, through the gates, and parked myself at the crossroads beyond the entrance waiting for my welcoming party. Nate and Chris found me there and we walked around for a bit, met up with Craig and Gage and headed to Texas Cyclone for my first ride of the night. We waited about 20 minutes. The rule up top stated no one under 60" in the back four rows, so Craig and Gage decided not to question it and sat in the 5th from the back, while Nate, Chris and I headed for the back. I settled into the second to last row. This was a solid ride. It felt a little sluggish in spots and it wasn't the be all and end all of coasters, but it was a good solid fun wooden coaster. Not enough to rise above the cream of the crop but it won't settle anywhere near the bottom either. It was fun and friendly. We walked around a bit more, Craig and Gage were on a mission, so they split off to get as many more as they could out of the way in the last hour of the day while Nate and Chris and I headed to the oposite end of the park. We glanced at the queue for the SLC and decided to save it for later and jumped into the line for Viper. Another 20 minute wait, in a sporadic sometimes slow sometimes fast moving queue. We saw one particularly nimble linejumper actually jump up to the fence railing the back of the station and hoist himself and his girlfriend over from the lower queue. Couldn't quite believe my eyes on that one as it was quite the jump. We headed for the back. This was a great ride. This and the shuttle loop were probably my favorites in the park. Forceful, fun, giggle inducing ride. We glanced in the queue for the SLC again, and instead opted to wait out the capacity nightmare known as Mayan Mindbender. I'm quite glad we did this Friday night, as there was no way we'd have gotten to it on Saturday. Very secluded queue that many kids were using to hide in and scare their friends. Really well themed and landscaped. We were in what should have been a short queue. down the stairs through a short enclosed space and just outside the building, but the line just crawled. 12 seats, strange restraints and a station that loaded from the front caused traffic jams. The ride itself was fun, nothing I'd wait that long for again though. Turn right a lot, throw in a left turn for a change and it's over. A little campy, but still fun. The park was closed once we were done there, and we headed up to the gate area to meet Craig and Gage and get Nate and Chris' stuff out of their locker (they had taken public transportation from the airport). Then we made our way out to the hotel where we met Dave, got all checked in and parked and went up to the room to crash. Saturday morning, Craig and Gage took off early for San Antonio while the four of us took our time waking up and getting situated. A quick stop for breakfast at Dennys and we got in line to park about 11:45. We walked into the park shortly after noon after waiting a bit to get through both Security and the ticket booths. Once in, we started at the Cyclone end of the park once more and started making the rounds. The Cyclone wait wasn't bad, slightly longer than Friday night, but the queue filled up fast behind us. A front of the train ride in the early afternoon found us the laterals and some air, but it still felt a little sluggish. Wandered back to the Ultratwister, this one sported a 40 minute line, but it was surprisingly moving pretty well. While waiting, got a call from Matt that they were stuck in traffic at the exit to the park. Dave and I took the front seat to get full advantage of the visuals. The restraints were heavy but not confining and the ride was great fun. Not at all what I expected. It was smooth and something I wouldn't have minded riding again, just not with a 40-minute line when we had other things to do. Continuing around the loop, we made our way over to Batman. Long, elaborate queue (even without the mountain) and another 45 minute wait. While we were at the edge of the main building, Matt called to say they had finally made it into the park almost an hour after they'd gotten off the off ramp! Ouch. We took a backseat ride on Batman and my head is greatful for defensive riding... instead of my head getting bashed around, my arms and body got the brunt of it and I have the bruises from it as well. Definitely the worst ride in the park. Matt and Andy were in line for Greezed Lightnin', so we headed there next. This crew was one of the best in the park and they were actually keeping the line moving. Even with waiting out a full queue, it was only about a half-hour wait for the shuttle, and this one was definitely the best of those I've ridden. Very well cared for, powerful launch, great float on the spikes. All around great ride. Matt and Andy were a few steps ahead of us, and lucked into a short wait for Swat right as it opened, so we found some beverages and waited for them at the exit. Was nice to take a little break mid afternoon and this end of the park was PACKED. Food lines were psycho long even at 3:45 pm, and with the Swat line having just opened, the midway was wall to wall people. They finished their ride, introductions were made, and we navagated the crowd towards another Viper ride. Once in line, we passed some time watching a butterfly fight for it's live against a ceiling fan and then the ride broke down for about 15 minutes. Fortunately for us, this eliminated pretty much the entire line once they opened the flow-through exit in the station, and when the ride opened back up, we were on the second train out. Another great back of the train ride was had here. We made our way towards the SLC which was sporting an excessivly long line. Nate, Chris and Dave opted to wander and find food while Matt, Andy and I stayed in the queue and waited over an hour for the SLC. Shortly before making the climb to the station, Craig called, they were back from SFFT and working their way into the park for the evening. All of us arranged to meet at the exit to the SLC once we were done with our ride. Can't say much of this one, it's an SLC, but at least it was one of the ones with extra padding on the restraints, so there's something to cushion your head as it is repeatedly bashed into the OTSRs. Still not as bad as Batman though. We had intended to wait for Serpent next, but opted out as the line looked long. Craig and Gage stuck it out while the rest of us moved on to XLR8. Another 30 minute wait, and another solid middle-of-the-road ride. Not the best suspended ever, but definitely not the worst either. We opted to go backwards for our one ride here and had a solid fun squeeky ride. At this point, Time was starting to run thin, so Matt and Andy made a split to get to Cyclone and Ultratwister before the park closed. Craig and Gage hadn't waited too long for Serpent, so we headed there next and I'm glad we didn't miss this one. My last credit at the park and it was a great fun little terrain mini mine train hiding in the jungle-like area at the back of the park. Nate had a headache, so we took the train to Greezed Lightnin' and walked up to the main gift shops for some headache meds. That took another 40 minutes, but I was able to get my gift-shop shopping done at least. we had about 40 minutes until the park closed and we were going to attempt to pull off a Greezed Lightnin'/Texas Cyclone kicker finale for the evening. Dave and I got our last ride on GL and were off at 9:50, but had to wait two cycles for Nate and Chris due to a handicapped pass taking their seats. 9:55 and the four of us took off running through the park only to get the Cyclone plaza just as they were barracading the entrance. A little disappointing, but I was still glad to have gotten what I'd gotten in for the day. We took the time to take some more photos, phoned Matt and Andy who were in line for Ultratwister, and Craig and Gage were a couple cycles from Swat. We walked out, content, and took some photos over the bridge and watched people of all ages roll down the hills by the parking lot (apparently some sort of odd AstroWorld tradition?) before heading to the car. Stopped at Whataburger for some food and made our way back to the hotel. I'm glad we took the time to visit, I'll be sad to see the park go. The framework is there, it has good bones. It felt established, solid. It's obvioulsy gone through a zillion changes, but it's been building and growing for decades and it had the look and feel of an established park with some history. People in the area obviously have sentimental ties to the place, there are just a few areas where they've gotten the raw deal and had some bad times because of it. I went in expecting the worst and didn't get it, and for that I am grateful. Granted, the operations weren't great, and there were definitely some questionable things going on because operators were getting lax in their last few weeks of work, but there were still several putting forth the effort and trying to give their last few guests some good memories to cherish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 10:31:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14515 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 17:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 17:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 17:31:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 17:31:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 17:31:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:31:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Six Flags Marine World 10/21/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-o9U2DcSY9GOgvQK8KyPd4VgmpSp63VcdkpinONKiKljzUSCJLkb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Over the weekend I took a solo trip up to the Bay Area to see the=20 premiere of the new John Adams opera DR. ATOMIC at the San Francisco=20 Opera House. That was Saturday night; I was likely the only person in=20 the audience whose activity the previous night involved visiting a=20 theme park. The bulk of the weekend was either driving or visiting=20 with friends, but I had my Six Flags Play Pass and intended to=20 squeeze some more use out of it at a park I'd never visited before,=20 Marine World in Vallejo. As it was on Friday I got out of San Francisco late and ended up=20 getting stuck in bad rush-hour getaway traffic on the Bay Bridge and=20 I-80, and didn't arrive at the park until 6:00. By this time most of=20 the animal acts had closed up shop for the night, so it was mostly=20 just coasters for me. They've only got a few, but I liked the ones=20 they had. The park itself is a pretty odd amalgam of an animal park with some=20 coasters tacked on later. The good thing about this is that if you're=20 just there for the rides, all of the coasters are concentrated in=20 just two areas of the park, one on either side of the main entrance=20 plaza. I never even ventured toward the back of the park, so perhaps=20 a full day would be more tiring, but the compactness of the layout=20 was greatly appreciated compared to SFMM, especially since the knee I=20 had hurt a couple weeks before was bothering me. At this point I=20 would add that the parking lot is a major trek from the entrance gate=20 and in the future I would be sure to use the tram. They were having a "Fright Fest" Halloween thing, but this didn't=20 seem to amount to a whole lot besides a few extra decorations, some=20 themed shows, and a couple of upcharge walkthrough mazes. First up was Kong, a Vekoma SLC. This was my first actual SLC, though=20 the layout seems to have a lot of similar elements to Batman: the=20 Ride. I liked it. I sat in front and got a good blast of adrenaline.=20 It was fun but not too intense; a good coaster to start the day with.=20 They were running two trains and it was a near-walk-on; I had to wait=20 about 10 minutes only because I stood in line for the front seat. Next was Medusa, the B&M floorless. There was some sort of temporary=20 problem with it, so after waiting a few minutes I bailed and headed=20 back over to Cobra, a small double-figure-8 family coaster. That was=20 fun, and with all the teenagers there I didn't feel like too much of=20 a weirdo riding it solo. Back to Medusa, which was running again. Two trains, maybe a 10- minute wait, maximum. Obviously my point of comparison here is=20 Scream. The last time I was on Scream I really felt the G-forces and=20 got a bit of a headache; no such problems on Medusa. A fun, smooth=20 ride, but I didn't get a good enough look to give you a breakdown of=20 the elements. At this point I headed over to the other concentration of rides on=20 the opposite side of the entrance. Over here I checked out the 7:30=20 seal show, which was a corny, fun romp hosted by a non-licensed=20 Austin Powers actalike with a light Halloween theme. The seals had a=20 pretty big variety of stunts and were pretty entertaining. It was=20 billed as a "Spooky" seal show, which prompted me to wonder things=20 along the lines of Dr. Evil's "Is it an eeevil petting zoo?" At this point I intended to go on Vertical Velocity and Roar, but=20 realized I was pretty hungry, so I got some popcorn to tide me over=20 until after I left and killed some time watching a hypnotism show,=20 which was pretty similar to other ones I'd seen. So by the time I got=20 back to the coasters, I didn't have any time for re-rides. I didn't get a real good look at Roar, their GCI woodie, before=20 riding it. This is a "Twister"-style layout, right? I'd never been on=20 one like this. I would have really liked to had a chance to ride it=20 again to better wrap my mind around it. Lots of diving and rising=20 turns, which was different, but it seemed like there were a lot of=20 rough laterals. Still fun; tentatively I'd put it in the middle of=20 the pack as far as woodies I've been on go. About a 20-minute wait. Next was Vertical Velocity, their bizarre inverted shuttle. The=20 forward part of the track goes up at an angle and twists; the rear=20 part goes up into a vertical tower. The program has you going forward=20 and back three times. I ended up liking it a lot. It's coy with the=20 twisting. The first and third launches only twist you partially, with=20 the second run-through being the one that sends you all the way=20 upside-down, leaving you hanging for a good amount of time. As=20 previously mentioned, both towers were originally vertical; the angle=20 it sends you forward with now was a good workaround on the problems=20 with the city. About 20 minutes in the line. I should note that just=20 before launching I realized that I had forgotten to take my glasses=20 off, so I went through the whole thing with my hand partially=20 covering my face. Thankfully they stayed on the whole way, but that=20 was a little extra edge to the ride experience I didn't need. At that point is was about 9:30 and I decided to head back. I skipped=20 their Boomerang and their other family coaster (I don't even know=20 where it was), but was kinda bummed about the freaky-looking Zonga=20 being down. Zonga was all still intact, and it was not apparent why=20 they weren't running it. I don't think I can really accurately review the park without being=20 there during the daytime and seeing how the animal and amusement=20 elements work well together, but from what I saw the park was clean=20 and well-kept up, with a good, compact layout, at least for the=20 coaster section. Lighting at night could have been better; the=20 employees didn't make much of an impression either positive or=20 negative on me. Adam From jophish17@comcast.net Mon Oct 24 11:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8112 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 18:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 18:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 18:05:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 18:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2005 18:05:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:05:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.212 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=9UQCWEWjFPMjkEPgxpO8vDAedapfqhhcs5DkLILpv3krX6Dd X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: >=20 > Joe, are you doing the TPR trip? >=20 > Chris B > Yes I am. Looking forward to meeting you :-) From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Oct 24 16:37:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49488 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2005 23:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.42.742cdac0 (15886) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e435d7029f8; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:37:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:37:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> References: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=11-eJRN877iQUdFHJCgdD0nwlr-Cjgp6EucXNnT2Q7m951LV0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo WOW, a trip report from Beth! I'm glad you went and wrote this, it at least gives me a feel for what the park is like in its final days. I don't recall Batman being that bad in its former life as Shockwave at SFGAdv, but that was a very long time ago. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 17:24:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65549 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 00:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 00:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 00:24:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 00:23:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 00:23:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:23:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=3MEKO2_yhw3DFsVto0S8VneqTQG6B0qpZjMjl-9jCQ01TW_pvGsb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown"=20 wrote: > I don't recall Batman being that bad in its former life as Shockwave=20 at=20 > SFGAdv, but that was a very long time ago. See, and I remember it as Shockwave at SFMM, a very, VERY long time=20 ago. It seemed pretty cool at the time. Adam From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Oct 24 19:17:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5860 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (63.240.77.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 02:17:39 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-21-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.21.232]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005102501492701400siu5ce>; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:49:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9623f1cbbc1097ff2d00523f20f6fe2a@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:49:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: HW pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=AIsHhjsh-NuhMl2WBi46ZGRmKsG1uIj8fXJy_wl5qG1WKvBH2L-GZA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam I got to wander the Voyage site with the Discovery Channel crew yesterday and have some pictures up: http://childsfamily.com/HW/ No pictures, emphatically including my own, do justice to what I think this ride is going to be like. It really is pretty amazing to look at and imagine. Bill From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Oct 24 21:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31533 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 04:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 04:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 04:46:18 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222359A86 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:46:08 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1DC9522F-C62A-466F-9CFF-DB47B6184349@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Coaster Talk Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:46:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Kingda Ka on "MegaStructures" - Tuesday October 25th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=jIqXNZvT8_RvDyZgffvLD9-D_-ETz159t86guc2TpbqrWwct X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, The TV show MegaStructures will be doing an episode titled "Ultimate Roller Coasters", which will cover Kingda Ka. It's on at 8pm (Eastern) on 10/25 on National Geographic channel. Note that it's documentary, don't expect a travel channel show. MegaStructures is a fantastic TV show, I watch it regularly .. so I'm looking forward to this. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A piano?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 00:34:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95447 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 07:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 07:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 07:34:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 07:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 07:34:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:34:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1DC9522F-C62A-466F-9CFF-DB47B6184349@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Kingda Ka on "MegaStructures" - Tuesday October 25th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XXX3LlN6sjRub5265oeF6nION3rnzNZ8YE15eFLsY3DfCDenhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > Hi, >=20 > The TV show MegaStructures will be doing an episode titled "Ultimate=20=20 > Roller Coasters", which will cover Kingda Ka. It's on at 8pm=20=20 > (Eastern) on 10/25 on National Geographic channel. Note that it's=20=20 > documentary, don't expect a travel channel show. >=20 > MegaStructures is a fantastic TV show, I watch it regularly .. so I'm = =20 > looking forward to this. >=20 > Cameron. I saw some episodes of this show before, they did the new Osaka airport and a bridge. It should be very informative, I wish I could catch it! Chris B From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Oct 25 00:54:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66161 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 07:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 07:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xmail.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 07:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17214 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2005 07:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 07:53:38 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EUJd7-0003Km-NP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:53:57 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <9623f1cbbc1097ff2d00523f20f6fe2a@law.wnec.edu> References: <9623f1cbbc1097ff2d00523f20f6fe2a@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:55:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] HW pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=P-DlaBu6OrRsQ2vlalSzUkwX-nL821HhL-vQCaXAIkwoLjFYsBqN X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I got to wander the Voyage site with the Discovery Channel crew > yesterday and have some pictures up: > > http://childsfamily.com/HW/ > > No pictures, emphatically including my own, do justice to what I think > this ride is going to be like. It really is pretty amazing to look at > and imagine. That ride looks like its going to be one of the best new rides next year, by far. I don't think El Toro is even going to come close. And whatever they were filming for, they seem to have a good budget... it looks like they are using a Sony HDW-750, a $60,000 HD camera... it's pretty cool that the camera guy is holding a BMW 5 series on his shoulder. Hopefully the show will turn out good. Mike From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Oct 25 06:30:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24685 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 13:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 13:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 13:29:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 13:29:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 13:29:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:29:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.210 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: La Ronde is building a new B&M coaster for 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=cYE6j4ryztlv33gF79ssMC81-sTVafSraTq39FIviwaL2Qm9axQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred La Ronde has called a press meeting for Wednesday morning. According=20 to the call edited by La Ronde: "La Ronde invites you to the unveiling=20 of its biggest construction project since the Monstre in 1985. Come and=20 find out the name and specs of this brand new extreme thrill ride." http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/October2005/25/c5758.html Some pics posted on a local website showed that the new attraction is a=20 roller coaster from B&M. http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php? mforum=3Dthrillzone&showtopic=3D49&st=3D705 More info Wednesday! Fred From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Oct 25 08:22:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94379 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 15:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 15:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qproxy.gmail.com) (72.14.204.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 15:22:05 -0000 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q18so487500qba for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.147.11 with SMTP id z11mr1490795qbn; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30510250822k46e5e6adr5006d288881fe1a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:22:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=0q57tDrQGl7bsOLW_7aCBcvuUVFDxKomr_dSiYR47VegS2DW X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/24/05, Nathan Brown wrote: > > WOW, a trip report from Beth! I'm glad you went and wrote this, it at > least gives me a feel for what the park is like in its final days. Hmmm... I guess I have been slacking on the TRs this year... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From exitenglish@gmail.com Tue Oct 25 09:34:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10650 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 16:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 16:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.196) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 16:34:37 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so893906nzd for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.13.30 with SMTP id q30mr8395444nzi; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.15 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:34:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30510250822k46e5e6adr5006d288881fe1a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> <74b0c9f30510250822k46e5e6adr5006d288881fe1a7@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=QNK1TrYZKKdKxb1lrXC4B_BAjKAV-REhFOrzEY6562darHhRal1m X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's a TR and how do I write one :) On 10/25/05, Beth Aslakson wrote: > > On 10/24/05, Nathan Brown wrote: > > > > WOW, a trip report from Beth! I'm glad you went and wrote this, it at > > least gives me a feel for what the park is like in its final days. > > Hmmm... I guess I have been slacking on the TRs this year... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" > on the web. > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > > ------------------------------ > -- "The truth is you could slit my throat And with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 25 10:49:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89573 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 17:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 17:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 17:49:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 17:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 17:48:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:48:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gvi6skqXtbKzYsDjPTfAPR93kdhLTre5CuLc3koFwL6HSJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown"=20 > wrote: > > I don't recall Batman being that bad in its former life as Shockwave=20 > at=20 > > SFGAdv, but that was a very long time ago. >=20 > See, and I remember it as Shockwave at SFMM, a very, VERY long time=20 > ago. It seemed pretty cool at the time. >=20 It was the one ride at SFMM that I still can't for the life of me remember if I rode it or not. But I'll say this- as viciously as it beat me when I rode it a week ago, it's pretty bad now. When we were waiting, we could actually see spots in a couple of the places where they connected the track that it wasn't quite even. Perhaps from being taken apart and moved a couple of times? keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 25 10:51:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2069 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 17:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 17:51:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 17:50:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2005 17:50:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:50:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: TR: Cypress Gardens Oct. 13, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FJY9ze8FCcfnWu3WScZPlo_T3_EzDwNwtmpjPRHaaB9dBHc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash TR: Cypress Gardens Date: October 13, 2005 The people: me, my wife Margaret, and my kids Amber and Joseph Weather: overcast and a bit misty, while warm (not hot and muggy like we expected) Crowds: very light to non-existant I've included a few photo links in the TR, but if you really want to see the pictures, you'll have to check them out on Smugmug. Just follow any of the links. I'm working on getting captions put on all of the pictures, so give me some time on that one. :) Outside of Disney, Cypress Gardens is the last park of note that we hadn't visited in Florida yet. And with it being about a 40 minute drive away from us, we were overdue for a visit. So with a day off from school/ work for Yom Kippur, we took advantage and headed out for a family day together before my solo trip to SFAW (TR for that is already posted) We arrived at the park about an hour after opening and immediately noticed the lack of cars in the parking lot. Great for us, I thought, but not necessarily for the park. We could also see the flying island popping up over the trees on it's way up.=20=20 http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/1 You enter through a large "umbrella dome" with flowers hanging on the roof and the ticket booths underneath before heading to the actual gates into the park. And immediately the park strikes you as, for lack of a better way to put it, simple but beautiful, well done, and with care. Unlike most of the other parks- especially in the tourist haven that is Florida, Cypress Gardens doesn't assault your senses with the overwhelming park atmosphere. Instead it hearkens back to a time when the park was a relaxed escape, and has much more of the traditional park and family feel to it. We walked through the gates and into the Crasftsman's Village. Not all of the shops were open, since it was expected to be a slow weekday. But almost all were, The employees were friendly and happy to be of assistance, and the shops were nice. We would spend more time here later, but for now we headed around to the rides area, just in case lines would get long later on with their evening Halloween event, Phobia.=20=20 Walking around the Star Haven amphiteater, where they have their concerts, our first stop was the Okeechobee Rampage, a fairly standard Vekoma Rollerskater. The cars on this were more open than I'm used to seeing on these, so that was a nice change. They also give you two trips around on it. Since there was no one in line, we were also allowed to stay on if we wanted. This was also one of the very few places that I would have had any complaint, and that was with the ride op. She was obviously not very interested in her job, but shocked me when she completely turned her back to the ride while it was operating. When we cruised through the station, she didn't even look at the train or the people on it. She was, however, the rare exception as most of the ops were very good, and several were great. After that we started riding on the rides we came to in order pretty much. Their Yo-Yo is cranked up faster than any other yo-yo I've ever been on, and rivals Bonfante's mushroom swing for the fastest swing ride I've ever been on, turning a mildly boring ride into one that is a lot of fun. Next up was a couple of rounds on the Storm Surge, the "world's tallest spinning rapids ride." This was my first time on one of these. Our first ride with all 4 of us was a nice, gentle, fun ride with only a couple of small splashes and the mist at the end.=20 The kids and I then took a second ride, and the weight shift made a huge difference in the ride, as we were spinning fast and hard most of the way down. We came back to this later and with all 4 of us sitting in different spots than before, we were spinning as fast as any tilt-a-whirl I've been on. It's a pretty amazing ride, and a lot of fun, even with a slow capacity. We took a nice round on the train, which showed off the new portions of the park quite nicely, and gave us a good look at most of the rides. After doing the round trip, we took our next stop was the Triple Hurricane, their Martin and Vieminckx junior wood coaster with a single PTC train with buzz bars. After riding this, I decided that this was a "dumb grin ride in a silly grin park"- because you couldn't help but have at least a dumb grin on your face, if not laughing, from it being simple fun in a park that you couldn't help but smile in as you walked around. It's got some small light pops of air, and some fun laterals in the turn around that you can use to purposely squish the person next to you on, but it's nothing extreme. We took 4 rounds on it, and saw people of all age riding- little kids along with grandparents. It was a kick and a half watching a guy in his 70's looking like a little kid with a huge grin on his face as he rode.=20 And it really sets the tone for what the park is, as well as what it's becoming. Other rides that we caught were the Vekoma hang and bang known as Swamp Thing (and from which you can get a glimpse of the clearing and the parts stacked up for the Starliner); the Fiesta Express- the Zamperla mini kiddie mouse; the Galaxy Express- a Zamperla spinning mouse, which was fun but had a couple of good bumps on it (Amber didn't like it at all because of the bumps); a 4 lane super slide; the bumper cars which were moderately fast and had no rules restrictions on them (great head ons!); some flying skooters- though they were much to big and heavy to really fly effectively; a very nice giant wheel overlooking a small garden and pond; a Power Surge (Amber's favorite ride); the Disk'O, which was fun but I didn't get the hype; a Rockin' Tug; a drop ride by ARM which went up slowly then immediately dropped with no pause; a Chance Inverter; a Chance double deck carousel; the Mega Bounce by Arm, which was fun, but also good for a chiropractor (Margaret and Amber loved it, Joseph and I were ok); a pirate ship; a tilt a whirl without the domes on it that spun fast; and a slew of kiddie rides and some other rides I'm forgetting. All of the rides were run well. They were rotating ride ops between rides since the crowds were so light. They were neat, clean, with nice wood fences around them. This part reminded me a lot of how Wild Adventures is set up, and overall we were very pleased with how this work. It's obvious in a couple of spots that there is still work being done (e.g. the Starliner site), but they've done well in getting this set up and going. After the rides, we wandered through the arcade, which is one point to cross over from the rides area to the gardens, and is obviously one spot that there is still work being done and the building being revamped. The arcade and games seemed a bit of an awkward fit into it and left us wondering what it used to be. Coming out we could see where they were working on the docks that will host the ferry that will take people from one end of the park on the lake to the other.=20 It will also be a place to hop on a dinner cruise, which looks like it would be a great addition. Taking time to wander the gardens, we were awed and impressed with them. There are some spots where you can see the neglect from the past and what must have helped contribute to the closure and change in ownership. But far more prevalent was the gorgeus gardens, landscaping, scenery=85 it was breathtaking. We spent a lot of time just wandering the gardens, thoroughly enjoying them.=20 The only park I've seen that could compare in beauty would be Bonfante Gardens- and give them more time to finish up some of the restoration here and I'd put it on a par. And yes, that means prettier than Busch Williamsburg. Combined with the lovely, relaxing atmosphere, this is the perfect place to just come walk, relax, meditate, enjoy scenery, people watch, etc. While walking around, we also caught one of their more unusual shows that they have here- a "living fountain." It's a person made up like a statue that stands in the middle of a fountain, and then to musical accompaniment slowly moves around while sprouting fountains from their fingers and head. It sounds strange, and it is, but it's also really neat to watch.=20=20 http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/10/40006372 http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/10/40006385 One other show we caught the end of was their Farmyard Follies or something like that. It was magic/ comedy show, and the few minutes of it we caught looked cute and fun, though the ending was a bit abrupt. http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/6/40002712 Unfortunately we didn't get to see the ski show that I've heard so much about since Amber and my wife didn't want to see it. We also strolled through their Nature's Way area, which has the animal exhibits that they have done- wallabies, lorikeets, a black panther, gators, goats, a small reptile house, and a few others. This is one area that it's obvious they've been putting in a lot of work, as you can still see some areas behind walls and fences that are a wreck from what they were before, and a couple of exhibits that are empty waiting for the work on them to be done. Somewhere along the way we ate at Aunt Juliee's Country Kitchen, a typically priced buffet. The restaurant itself was, "quaint" with real wood floors and an antique feel to it. The food was quite good. While there wasn't a huge variety, what there was tasted good, and they kept it full and hot. Turkey, chicken, roast beef, dumplings, rice, potatoes, mac and cheese, veggies and a few other items made up the buffet, along with several desserts. We really enjoyed eating there and highly recommend it. We also took a ride on their flying island, the Sunshine Sky Adventure. This is one of only 3 Intamin flying islands, and the only one in the US. The gentlemen operating the ride seemed as if they've been there for a while as they knew a lot about the ride and obviously loved it very much. This is a counterweight sky ride- as the massively huge weight on one end of the arm drops, the other end with the platform on it rises up high in the sky. The viewing platform has seating that goes all the way around it, and a railing on the edge, but is otherwise open air. Once you're up a bit, they let you stand up and move around, take pictures, etc. A pretty unique experience for a viewing tower ride. http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/1/40002592 Shopping was a lot of fun also. They have a really neat Christmas store, where the store itself isn't big, but they have a neat display of Santas from around the world, along with a "storybook" for each one describing them.=20=20 http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/883439/16/40007793 We also took a walk through their butterfly gardens. Not a lot of butterflies, and it seems to be another area that they're working on slowly restoring. But it was nice, and it's exit was unusual in that you walk into a hall with a large insect collection mounted on the walls, including some of the largest walking sticks I've ever seen.=20 There is also an old plantation house which apparently used to be open, but I don't know as what. It's currently closed also. Their Phobia event was also one of the few "family friendly" ones I've seen. It's their first year, and not very big (only 3 mazes and a few shows) but most are done with the family in mind. We didn't go in the mazes, but they had shows done specifically for the kids, along with free craft projects all over the Craftsman's Village area for them.=20 It was really nice to have an event that we could be free to take the kids to and not worry about them getting scared, freaked, or grossed out. It's fine for those that like it, but it was nice to have an alternative that to often gets overlooked. To say that we fell in love with the park, even with some of it's ongoing work, would be an understatement. Those of you who have met my wife know that she's understated when it comes to park. She enjoys them, but doesn't love them or get excited about them. Her comments during a park visit are along the lines of, "That's nice," "Can you slow down a bit," and, "Can you put the camera away now?" Here it was, "This is beautiful!" "I love it here!" "Take a picture of that." And, "We're changing our tickets to season passes, right?" We hadn't planned on it, but based on how much we enjoyed it, we did upgrade- even if it's only good for two months. :) There is certainly room for improvement, and it looks like they're working on several areas at once- continuing restorations of old gardens and features, adding improvements, and more attractions.=20 They've just finished a small waterpark, though it was closed for Phobia, they're adding the dinner cruises and Starliner should be coming next year. And there are several spots where you can see them continuing to work and bring things back. But it certainly maintains the traditional, family feel that so many parks lack now. While there might not be a lot of shade in the rides area of the park, there are trees planted and you can see other signs that they're going to be adding more to it. I'm sure that there are things that I missed, but you can find some of them in the 200+ pictures I took of the park and what we saw there.=20 So would I recommend the park? Absolutely. About the only way I can see someone not liking the park is if the only thing they're interested in is major roller coasters. Otherwise this has something for everyone- and much of it can be done together. Margaret was unabashed in saying that this was not only her favorite park, but is the one park that she's looking forward to coming to visit without any of us tagging along. We're really looking forward to many more visits there. Thanks for reading this long TR about a park that, at least for me, hasn't received enough attention yet. Looking forward to your comments. From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Tue Oct 25 13:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18860 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 20:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 20:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 20:06:30 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1fa.13fb55a5 (4410) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1fa.13fb55a5.308fea27@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:05:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kingda Ka on "MegaStructures" - Tuesday October 2... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=NM000bN-Yulzi2h3YzBujHofCqg-Ap40-AX6x3Y4OFg60n2hCArW X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/2005 3:35:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, munkye1972@yahoo.com writes: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > Hi, > > The TV show MegaStructures will be doing an episode titled "Ultimate > Roller Coasters", which will cover Kingda Ka. It's on at 8pm > (Eastern) on 10/25 on National Geographic channel. Note that it's > documentary, don't expect a travel channel show. > > MegaStructures is a fantastic TV show, I watch it regularly .. so I'm > looking forward to this. > > Cameron. I saw some episodes of this show before, they did the new Osaka airport and a bridge. It should be very informative, I wish I could catch it! Chris B Thanks for the information. Can't wait to see it! Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 25 13:39:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70582 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 20:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 20:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 20:39:34 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EUVZe-0000hu-PP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:39:10 -0400 Message-ID: <435E97F8.5000102@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:39:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec92d0bc160e81b0d30e232fdb40c3242a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: La Ronde is building a new B&M coaster for 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9JkufZqip3cJtQ9UQfwOJCPLeSAZOXitJ8RF4GPMLc2Hy4E X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash bastienfred wrote: > Some pics posted on a local website showed that the new attraction is a > roller coaster from B&M. So is this going to be their long awaited hyper coaster, or something else? What do you think? > > http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php? > mforum=thrillzone&showtopic=49&st=705 > > More info Wednesday! > Looking forward to it! keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Oct 25 16:43:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51955 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2005 23:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2005 23:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2005 23:43:18 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.bb.63107ee8 (15865) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9435ec30f300; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:43:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:42:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30510250822k46e5e6adr5006d288881fe1a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435EC2FE.90504@aol.com> References: <74b0c9f30510240743w162d77byea26c24934613444@mail.gmail.com> <435D701D.8090908@aol.com> <74b0c9f30510250822k46e5e6adr5006d288881fe1a7@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Firsts and Lasts: Astroworld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=V2nEVxY7O1ef-uAEOsPSiFbEOmvF8pmaPkR4eojAgYbW8L97vA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Beth Aslakson wrote on 10/25/2005, 11:22 AM: > Hmmm... I guess I have been slacking on the TRs this year... Yeah, you slacker ;-) I still have some catching up to do as well. I should have one done tonight or tomorrow. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Oct 26 08:23:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29528 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 15:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 15:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 15:23:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 15:23:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 15:23:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:23:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.38 From: "bastienfred" Subject: PR: La Ronde's new B&M roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=TEq3JAXoU6PZ_SfCYcxkjh6bSNSmT5K4FeBTk7V79iAbN7OUWvo X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred La Ronde announces the construction of Goliath, Canada's tallest and=20 fastest roller coaster MONTREAL, Oct. 26 /CNW Telbec/ - La Ronde announced today the construction of Canada's tallest and fastest roller coaster. The=20 exciting new steel roller coaster will be called Goliath in tribute=20 to its enormous size, supreme speed and awesome height and will be=20 ready to welcome its first high-thrill seekers as of spring 2006.=20 Goliath is without a doubt La Ronde's biggest project since the=20 Monstre was built in 1985. It will be La Ronde's 11th thrill ride. La Ronde's phenomenal new steel giant will measure over 53 metres (175 feet) in height, making it 13 metres (43 feet) higher than the=20 Monstre and 21 metres (69 feet) higher than the Vampire! After an=20 initial drop of over 52 metres (171 feet), the intrepid passengers=20 will take a 1,231-metre (4,039-foot) route at speeds reaching 110=20 km/h (68 mph) for over three minutes! Passengers will have to be at=20 least 1.37 metres (54 inches) tall to ride the giant. The exhilarating new Goliath will have two 36-passenger trains,=20 each with nine cars with a capacity of four people across. To enhance=20 this amazingly smooth and thrilling experience, the wagons will be=20 open on the sides and the safety device will attach from bottom to=20 top, giving passengers the impression that they are flying far above=20 Sainte-H=E9l=E8ne Island. A significant feature of the unbeatable Goliath=20 is that its expansive twisting track will whisk guests outside the=20 park, to the eastern point of Sainte-H=E9l=E8ne Island, before rushing them back into the park, over a series of quick hills and drops and=20 finally to a smooth ending in the station house, located near Tour de=20 Ville. "I'm proud to confirm that in 2006, La Ronde will further bolster=20 its position as a world-class theme park with the construction of=20 Canada's tallest and fastest roller coaster ! Indeed, as of spring=20 2006, La Ronde will answer high-thrill seekers' expectations by=20 offering them the astonishing Goliath, custom designed to provide=20 them with extreme thrills they will never forget," said Len Turtora,=20 La Ronde's Vice-President and General Manager. "I invite all Quebecers, Canadians and tourists visiting our beautiful city to come=20 and see for themselves how La Ronde continues not only to evolve but=20 also to offer the most complete family entertainment on the market." Since 2002, 17 new exciting rides including the Goliath, the=20 Vampire, the Splash and the Pays de Ribambelle have been added to=20 Montreal's favourite playground. Furthermore, La Ronde has built two=20 new magnificent entrances, a beautiful 150-person banquet hall, done=20 upgrades to its food and beverage facilities and added exciting new=20 skill games. Also, several improvements and renovations have been=20 made to the infrastructure of the park such as landscaping, design,=20 decor, fencing, seating areas, sanitary installations and other guest=20 comforts across the site. Throughout the years, these changes have definitely added to the pleasure and comfort of La Ronde's guests. The Goliath was custom-designed for La Ronde by the famous=20 manufacturer Bolliger & Mabillard of Monthey, Switzerland, a company=20 known in the industry for the quality of its thrill-producing rides.=20 Bolliger & Mabillard also designed La Ronde's popular Vampire ride,=20 installed in 2002. The Goliath will cost $18.7 million, the largest investment for a=20 single ride since the park opened in 1967. Construction has already=20 begun on the giant roller coaster and will continue throughout the=20 winter in order to be ready for thrill-seekers when La Ronde opens.=20 Building this first-ever ride in Canada, will take close to 100=20 specialized workers, 300 pilings, 150 cement foundations, 106=20 columns, 1,750 m(3) (61,800 f3) of cement and 850 anchor bolts. As of October 26, updates, videos and pictures of this large-scale construction project will be regularly posted on www.laronde.com to=20 share the excitement with La Ronde's visitors. Season extension for Halloween Fright Fest presented by Kraft and=20 2006 season passes sale Exceptionally this year, La Ronde's season will be extended until=20 October 30 to give Qu=E9bec families a head start on Halloween and=20 enjoy their favourite rides during the traditional Halloween Fright=20 Fest presented by Kraft. During this unique event, the site undergoes=20 a complete makeover and features sensational sets and continuous=20 entertainment from numerous talented entertainers dressed as zombies,=20 vampires, ghosts, witches, or comical figures. Visit www.laronde.com=20 for more details. The 2006 season passes are already available on=20 site at $73,90 + taxes for an individual season pass and $190,43 plus=20 taxes for a family season pass. La Ronde is owned and operated by Six Flags, Inc. the world's=20 largest regional theme park company, which owns and operates 30 parks=20 in North America. Six Flags Theme Parks serve 34 of the 50 largest=20 metropolitan areas in the United States. Six Flags, Inc. is a=20 publicly held corporation with corporate offices in New York City and=20 Oklahoma City. The Company's stock trades on the NYSE under the=20 symbol: PKS. For further information: Anne-Marie Desautels, Public Relations,=20 Manager La Ronde, Member of the Six Flags Family, (514) 397-2001 ext.=20 2703, Fax: (514) 397-7762, amdesautels@laronde.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Oct 26 09:24:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53966 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 16:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 16:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 16:24:49 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9QGOlki023867 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:24:48 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:24:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D61F75D-C735-4773-A2A0-DDF7EA20FAAE@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:24:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 16:24:47.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7DF11C0:01C5DA49] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: La Ronde's new B&M roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Y0NdmC0GsX-xLyBzskIsOtZhJuFW6O24TWaSaN9cQwAyNimF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > To enhance this amazingly smooth and thrilling experience, the > wagons will be open on the sides Haha .. "wagons" .. what a *great* term! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 10:27:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31775 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 17:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 17:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 17:27:42 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s6so7372wxc for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.243.18 with SMTP id v18mr820621qbr; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30510261027x6f26ec5ax1935212402c8a39c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:27:41 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: NEWS: "Grand Rapids" at Michigan's Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=cHHwQh59xKeXy1za8T2eo7lfEJ2eDjCXK_yES6rReizBIR3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Nothing unexpected here... a Rapids Ride and a Coasters Restaurant for their 50th anniv next year. Beth http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-7/11303379502090= 30.xml&coll=3D8 Michigan Adventurespending big for 50th Wednesday, October 26, 2005 By Dave AlexanderCHRONICLE BUSINESS EDITOR Michigan's Adventure amusement park will celebrate its golden anniversary next summer with the largest investment in a new ride in the amusement park's 50-year history. Construction is already under way on the $5 million-plus Grand Rapids -- a 1,500-foot-long rapid river ride similar to Thunder Canyon at Ohio's famed Cedar Point park. Riders will be in nine-person rafts that navigate twists and turns of a roaring man-made river in the two-minute ride. The ride will be called "Grand Rapids," invoking a logging-era theme and named for the region's largest city. It will become a signature ride in the park right along with the Shivering Timbers wooden roller coaster, General Manager Camille Jourden-Mark said. In addition to the water ride, Michigan's Adventure will be adding a 3,000-square-foot sit-down restaurant called Coasters. The classic 1950s-style diner with 80 indoor seats will be located just inside the park's main gate across from the Corkscrew coaster will serve hamburgers, cheeseburgers, fries and shakes in air-conditioned comfort. "We are extremely excited about the addition of the Grand Rapids (ride) and believe it is the perfect centerpiece for our golden anniversary celebration," Jourden-Mark said. "Our guests will love it. They will get drenched." The ride's name is in recognition of the city of Grand Rapids, which plays a key role in the Michigan's Adventure market, Jourden-Mark said. The park is attempting to put a Michigan theme on many of its attractions, she said. "We hopefully will get some attention from Grand Rapids, which is the most important city for our market," Jourden-Mark said. "It's a fun name and has some great T-shirt potential." Riders -- who must at least be 42 inches tall instead of the traditional 48-inches on similar rides -- will be sent down the river on rafts that will go over churning rapids and under waterfalls. The new river rapids ride is not as extreme as some, being designed for smaller riders to accommodate the family nature of Michigan's Adventure, Jourden-Mark said. The Grand Rapids ride will be located near Adventure Falls water ride to the east along Wolverine Lake. The ride, designed by IntaRide LLC of Glen Bernie, Md. and Glynn Geotechnical Engineering of Lockport, N.Y., will nearly complete development around Wolverine Lake. The $1.25 million restaurant development will be the first sit-down, indoor restaurant in the park located on the Fruitland and Dalton township line on Whitehall Road between Muskegon and Whitehall. Since Michigan's Adventure was purchased by Cedar Fair LP -- the owners of Cedar Point and six other amusement parks across the country -- the publicly traded company has invested $18 million locally in capital improvements. Major rides have included an extreme swing ride Rip Cord and last year's hit the Funnel of Fear, a giant funnel ride in the park's WildWater Adventure Waterpark. Neither Grand Rapids nor Coasters is directly related to a recently completed deal between Muskegon County and Cedar Fair to bring municipal water to the park, Jourden-Mark indicated. The water service deal has county officials hoping that future expansions will include a recreational vehicle park and campground and year-round hotel with indoor water park, but neither of those developments are in the 2006 plan. "We are ecstatic to learn of the continued large investments at Michigan's Adventure," said Sam Wendling, director of the Muskegon County Convention & Visitors Bureau. "We know this is one of Cedar Fair's best performing parks. "As a community, we are glad to be apart of their success. We look forward to their 50th celebration this summer." Michigan's Adventure traces its history back to the spring 1956 when a group of St. Joseph businessmen developed Deer Park, a petting zoo for families. L.R. Beardsley, Dr. E.S. Gillam, Hardin Dey and Martin Kasichke formed Deer Park Inc. It opened in May 1956. The St. Joseph investors eventually sold out to Benny Bensinger of Muskegon, who added some simple amusement park rides to Deer Park. Bensinger sold to Roger Jourden in 1968. It was Jourden and his family who took the quiet petting zoo and created the largest amusement park in the state of Michigan. Jourden created two parks -- a traditional amusement park with "iron rides" and a water park -- for a single admission price. It was renamed Michigan's Adventure in the late 1980s and he eventually sold the park to Cedar Fair in 2001. Jourden-Mark began working in the park as a young girl, helping her parents operate the growing business. She remained with Cedar Fair after the park's sale and has become a vice president for the new owners. "This will be a very fun summer at Michigan's Adventure," Jourden-Mark said. "We are excited to show our appreciation for 50 years of patronage and support." Michigan's Adventure had a peak of about 480,000 visitors in 2003 and was down a bit in 2004. However, all reports are that the park had a record year in attendance this past summer with its warm, dry weather. Exact attendance figures won't be released by Cedar Fair until the end of the year. Michigan's Adventure has held the line on admission prices to $23 since 2002. However, general admission will increase by $1 next year to $24. Season passes -- which is good for Michigan's Adventure and all Cedar Fair parks -- will be offered at a special fall rate of $85 through the end of October. Michigan's Adventure will open May 20 for the 2006 season. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Oct 26 11:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21531 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 18:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 18:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 18:31:21 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9QIVDjF015865 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:31:14 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:31:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <9623f1cbbc1097ff2d00523f20f6fe2a@law.wnec.edu> References: <9623f1cbbc1097ff2d00523f20f6fe2a@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:31:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 18:31:13.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[71CFF3A0:01C5DA5B] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] HW pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fu0B20S3I3ZtTeEkbF6rzmyjYMLbUKHNH_n3yisja1_0cekq X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Bill, Excellent photos! Thanks.. Cameron. On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Bill Childs wrote: > I got to wander the Voyage site with the Discovery Channel crew > yesterday and have some pictures up: > > http://childsfamily.com/HW/ > > No pictures, emphatically including my own, do justice to what I think > this ride is going to be like. It really is pretty amazing to look at > and imagine. > > Bill > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your > home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 13:15:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60076 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 20:15:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 20:15:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:15:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hMGY61w3N9IZqyuKykITLLLE_rL-jb6Hkce3VKUcIXtmpIU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > 1. Recent increase in major wood coaster installations; Woodie > Renaissance? I'm really liking the steal-structured woodies. I'm thinking that may=20 help bring down some of the maintenance costs. > 2. Bigger, Faster, Broken down more often? Are they done trying to > reach new heights with the current technology? I'll always a fan of new technologies; but "Bigger, Faster" just=20 for "Bigger, Faster" sake? Forget it. I'll take simple fun over all=20 of that. > 3. New Installations for 2006; Which ones are you counting down=20 for? Anything I can get too! > 4. Coaster, new or old you most want to add to your track record. Hmm... I guess anything I haven't done? I know that sounds like a cop- out, but it's mostly true. (I'm so easy) > 5. X vallies again! Twice in as many weeks. Your thoughts. I wonder if there's name for the point where 2 valleys meet? > 6. Trips you are planning for 2006. I'm afaid I'm on a money diet this year. So, my usual travel schedule=20 is peared way back. I'm getting to Anaheim for the Square Dance=20 Convention. So, OF COURSE I'm getting Disney. > Any takers? I'll take what I can get ;) > Chris B Thanks for the Q:'s -Alan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 13:27:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18697 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 20:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 20:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 20:27:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5816 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 20:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20051026202713.5814.qmail@web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:27:13 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:27:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=81NAi4XLUOCp86z5GyPgYxG1vU7lQAsMqa1xKH1W94PHBQk X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm really liking the steal-structured woodies. I'm > thinking that may > help bring down some of the maintenance costs. I can see them bringing down the maintenance costs on the structure, but it seems like the track takes a much worse beating than normal because the steel structure puts up more resistance at the contact point to the track and more of the positive vertical g forces are born by the track stack. It will be interesting to see how rides like Avalanche, Hades and Voyage ride after a few seasons. Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Oct 26 13:34:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18032 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 20:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 20:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xmail.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 20:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 13660 invoked by uid 0); 26 Oct 2005 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EUryQ-0005m7-5i for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051026202713.5814.qmail@web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051026202713.5814.qmail@web34415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <834A8780-3BA8-4224-8391-ECD1CAC23224@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:40:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=oivEBfnqvyYpETp3cgf2h650y4d4YnoA0szhdp2ZnBqG_4e4qnAk X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> I'm really liking the steal-structured woodies. I'm >> thinking that may >> help bring down some of the maintenance costs. >> > > I can see them bringing down the maintenance costs on > the structure, but it seems like the track takes a > much worse beating than normal because the steel > structure puts up more resistance at the contact point > to the track and more of the positive vertical g > forces are born by the track stack. It will be > interesting to see how rides like Avalanche, Hades and > Voyage ride after a few seasons. Interesting, never really thought about that. The Comet at The Great Escape and the Coney Island Cyclone both have steel structures... anyone know if they need more maintenance than a regular wood structure coaster? If wildcat at HP is any indicator, i would say that the trains are an even more important factor. Too bad The Voyage isn't using Millennium flyers. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 13:45:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56785 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 20:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 20:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 20:45:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 20:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 20:45:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:45:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New park features Rainbow Valley look X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QFedtg6beVCYbwG7IQxXKpIuyl9uAor9xDE__XNXY8H6d1U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 26 2005 CBC News http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View? filename=3Dpe_newrainbow_20051026&ref=3Drss Cavendish, Prince Edwards Island, CA -- A new amusement park in=20 Cavendish will have a familiar look when it opens next summer. The=20 Jelley family of Summerside has purchased many of the favourites from=20 the mothballed Rainbow Valley. Parks Canada purchased Rainbow Valley's land earlier this year, and=20 some of the amusement park assets were put up for sale. "The main=20 waterslide tower will be up on this hill in the back corner and the=20 traditional farm buildings there will be restored," said Jelley as he=20 looked over the 36 acre parcel of land. When it opens, the new park=20 will feature 4 water slides, a petting zoo, picnic grounds and wooded=20 trails. The Jelley family already owns tourist attractions in P.E.I., Moncton=20 and Shediac. And when they heard Rainbow Valley would close after 39=20 seasons, they decided to see if there was potential to replace the=20 park. "The minute we heard it was closing, we immediately began steps=20 to see how we could build a new attraction in Cavendish." That included buying a parcel of land directly across the street from=20 Rainbow Valley. The orange roofed waterslide building, the castle gate entrance and=20 famous flying saucer gift shop will all be part of the new=20 attraction. "We all have fond memories of Rainbow Valley, myself=20 especially. But we're going to do the best that we can and bring our=20 own experience to this attraction and we think that everybody will=20 enjoy it." The land once occupied by Rainbow Valley will be developed into new=20 land for P.E.I. National Park. Jelley said the new park will be open in time for the 2006 tourist=20 season. ----------- =A9 CBC 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 14:28:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2017 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 21:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 21:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 21:28:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:28:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:28:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:28:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Volunteers, employees help clean up Conneaut Lake Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vJgbjTzDujshzYgPTvXqAXMPnDkG-fYmV3ahQVS8OryiM7s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 26, 2005 Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/story.asp?id=3D5100 By Jane Smith CONNEAUT LAKE, PA =97- Newly appointed Conneaut Lake Park general GM=20 George Deshner recently learned that the financial records aren't the=20 only thing in disarray at the 113-y.o. amusement park. "This place=20 was a mess," said Deshner about the odds and ends he found stored=20 throughout the park. Everybody complained there was no storage space, he said. "No=20 wonder," Deshner remarked. "They had so much junk stored everywhere." Deshner plans to remedy the situation with a spring auction of=20 obsolete items that park employees and 80 "Make a Difference Day"=20 volunteers collected as they cleaned out all the park's buildings and=20 grounds. "I just can't believe how much work they did," he said,=20 expressing his appreciation for the volunteer's help. Park employees started the cleanup by gathering items that had been=20 left sitting around the park for years =97 sometimes decades. 5 or 6=20 vehicles (including 2 semi trailers) =97 some rusted and some with=20 broken windows =97 were found among the weeds and out-of-view places.=20 He had workers move them all to one location and now he must apply=20 for duplicate registration cards for all those vehicles before they=20 can be offered for sale. Next, he decided to tackle the items stored in the many buildings at=20 the park. He found hundreds of records, some dating back to the 1980s, in=20 filing cabinets all around the park. One filing cabinet is locked. "I=20 have no idea what is in it," he said, noting nobody has a key to it.=20 It is packed full of something because it is too heavy for 2 or 3=20 people together to move. All the filing cabinets and records (except for the one above) have=20 been moved to one location for further review before discarding=20 unneeded records, he said. He also found dozens of electronic equipment items. One of the=20 numerous pieces of stereo equipment includes a turntable with a long- playing record still ready to be played. Also discovered among the many shelves was the original doughnut=20 maker from the days when the park made its own doughnuts. Another=20 room held 10 boxes full of toilet paper =97 which had been tucked in a=20 corner at the hotel and not moved since the 1980s. Deshner isn't sure=20 whether the old paper can still be used. While much of the stuff was junk or paper records, he found some=20 valuable items as well. Clay pucks from the shuffleboard games held=20 at Hotel Conneaut during the turn of the century and the shuffleboard=20 sticks which go with them were found. In another place, he found a=20 baggage loading cart from the Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad =97=20 dating back decades when the railroad brought excursions of people to=20 the park. Rather than make a quick judgment call on what should be saved,=20 Deshner had items taken to one place where further review will be=20 done. Among the "souvenirs" are tables with lamps attached, metal=20 dressers, folding chairs of all types and descriptions,=20 refrigerators, desks, several cases of Coke bottles =97 which Deshner=20 said will be unique collectors' items=97 and the list goes on. Name=20 something once used in some capacity at the park and it may be in the=20 pile. "It's a real retro '50s,"" he said of the collections. The next step will be to sort through those piles and piles of items=20 with an auctioneer to determine what should be salvaged for the=20 auction. Park officials were given permission to have a public auction of=20 obsolete items. It's Deshner's chore now to determine what is=20 obsolete. He emphasized his intent is not just to sell things to collect=20 revenue for the park, but to get rid of stuff that is unusable and=20 clean up the park. ----------- copyright 2005 The Meadville Tribune From coasterdude318@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 14:29:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99443 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 21:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 21:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 21:29:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:29:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:29:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.226.174.23 From: "Nate K." Subject: Re: RUMOR: Mount Olympus News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=Imd7is8mb8Yr6iMf475rHpfgbWVzrZQ5kXN9GYBghvucDKN1QqLOTQA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This morning I head a radio advertisement for Mount Olympus. Near=20 the > end of the commercial, they mentioned a new "indoor theme park" > opening this winter at Mount Olympus. >=20 > Anyone know more? Replying to myself here...it looks like I was right. The new indoor=20 Mt Olympus park will be called Parthenon, will be open year-round, and=20 will have at least one roller coaster. http://www.wiscnews.com/wde/news/index.php?ntid=3D59152 -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 14:34:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19472 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 21:34:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2005 21:34:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:34:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Aerial tram ride could be added at State Fair of Texas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wqH-VIu9k8DXf9NOTScvWhKJ4DZGaJc0Y-iPCNxXF3u_yFU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 22, 2005, 8:24PM Associated Press Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/rssstory.mpl/metropolitan/3408466 DALLAS, TX -- State Fair of Texas officials are considering adding an=20 aerial gondola ride that will transport fairgoers hundreds of feet=20 above the midway. The ride is part of a plan to transform Fair Park by the end of the=20 decade into a state-of-the-art amusement park with roller coasters=20 and attractions open all summer. "The possibilities are endless for=20 an integrated entertainment system at Fair Park," State Fair=20 President Errol McKoy said. The aerial tramway could be added in 2006. The fair offered a similar=20 ride from 1964-1979. But it was closed after 2 cars snapped from the=20 tram's cable and fell 85' to the ground. One man was killed, and a=20 woman was paralyzed. 16 others were injured. "People have to=20 remember, that was 1940s technology," said Rusty Fitzgerald, the=20 fair's director of operations. "Now you are 4-5 generations ahead of=20 that." The ride would include a 400' observation tower and 8-passenger=20 gondolas that would ride along 1,700' of 2"-thick steel cable between=20 the midway and Big Tex circle. A one-way ticket on the tram would cost about $4, with the ride=20 lasting about 2 1/2 minutes. "It's a great way, especially for many=20 of our aging visitors, to see the midway without having to walk=20 through it," McKoy said. "It serves multiple purposes. It's a good=20 family ride and can be used for transportation." The tram would cost about $4 million. It is one of some of the high- dollar, fixed attractions to be built at Fair Park before 2009, when=20 2 DART light rail stations are scheduled to open at the fairgrounds. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 14:38:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39533 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2005 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.161) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 21:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 71943 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 21:38:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20051026213835.71941.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:38:35 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <834A8780-3BA8-4224-8391-ECD1CAC23224@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=INxAarF5e9j4DOj-RTKiNsIP9dxg9wDdm5qK_ZA7eBEqaUc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Interesting, never really thought about that. The > Comet at The Great > Escape and the Coney Island Cyclone both have steel > structures... > anyone know if they need more maintenance than a > regular wood > structure coaster? The Coney Island Cyclone is such an unique situation (part wood/part steel structure, unusual mainteance arrangement, etc.) that I would say it is hard to evaluate. Traditionally (although it may have changed as evidenced by the recent incident) it got a lot of man hours, but I don't know what those were put towards. From what I heard the Comet isn't bad, but if you look at the max/min vertical and lateral G's, the rate of G force application and overall speed I would guess that it is a much more comfortable package than one finds on Avalanche, J2, Voyage or Hades. > If wildcat at HP is any > indicator, i would say > that the trains are an even more important factor. > Too bad The > Voyage isn't using Millennium flyers. I would say the type trains help, but it depends on the ride as to how good the trains "fit" a ride. For instance, PTC's work great on the Phoenix because of its layout and turn radii, but don't work on the Hershey Cat because the turn radii are just to severe for the axle-to-axle distance on the PTC. Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 05:12:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1272 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 12:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 12:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 12:12:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 12:11:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 12:11:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:11:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.73 From: "Chris" Subject: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eFYlbIiWOjkitzmnVUW8xY1EyM_Tl_CO3203XtPF_a-FEuSAFA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 This past Sunday, I took a trip up to Chiba and Toky to try to "bag" the three last credits in Chiba and Tokyo prefectures that I hadn't ridden yet. Unfortunately, I was moving a little slow as I had Shore Patrol the night before and only got about 2.5 hours sleep.=20 Chiba Zoo is accessed via the Chiba city monorail, but this isn't the Seattle Monorail, or even the Disney World monorail. Those are both Alweg type, and ride above the rail. The one in Chiba is the suspended Safege system, similar to the one in BGT, but big. It looks like someone hung subway trains from a rail! It was actually pretty cool swooping above traffic. (Incidentally, I stumbled across the website for The Monorail Society this week, as well.)=20 So, anyways! Chiba Zoo was 500 yen to get in and all rides were separate tickets. 100 - 300 yen per ride, I only rode the coaster and the ferris wheel. They had an interesting stacked telecombat type ride over teacups, a 5 armed octopus, a carousel, a medium sized log flume, a kiddie-whip, a small monorail type ride, a flying bobs (flashdance?), some tracked cars and the small coaster.=20 This coaster (My pictures are at RCDB: http://www.rcdb.com/id3006.htm ) is a lot like a roller skater in that it's Vekoma, but it's good at what it's supposed to be, a family coaster. Nothing to write home about, it's Gadget's Go Coaster with less theming, two laps, and zero wait.=20 So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. If you read my first TR for this little park, you'll know I really like this place. They've removed the Meisho coaster that was there, (weird little quasi-mouse) and replaced it with a wacky worm. I suspect this was done for capacity reasons, because unlike my first trip, this place was PACKED! I only rode the worm, and that was an hour wait!=20 The crowds were primarily parents and children, and it was wonderful seeing the park wasn't as hard up as I thought from my previous visit.=20 Now, I didn't make it to Yomiuriland before closing twice this week, and now Duane tells me that an Intamin Halfpipe coaster is being built in Tokyo on top of a store! At this rate, I don't know if I will ever get all the coasters in Tokyo!=20 Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 08:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17374 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 15:09:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 15:09:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 15:09:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:09:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hungarian Disneylands featuring fable puppets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6ujuHBKthV2zRJhydi9Sc7KhMoZu_ID4W8M66WFmsQzoFuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 27, 2005 The Budapest Sun http://www.budapestsun.com/full_story.asp?ArticleId=3D% 7bF7449579FD8A4E988BB7A3F841300BA1%7d&From=3D Debrecen, Hungary -- FOLLOWING the boom of shopping malls and aquatic=20 park mania in Hungary, 3 cities are planning to build "Hungarian=20 Disneylands." During the past few months Csurg=F3, Debrecen and Esztergom have=20 indicated they plan to develop Disneyland-like amusement parks=20 with "Hungarian fable puppets." While Csurg=F3, a town in Somogy county, 230km southwest of Budapest,=20 and Esztergom (46km to the northwest) are considering building theme=20 parks in their centers, Debrecen (220km to the east) has already=20 developed an exact plan. The local government of Esztergom told The Budapest Sun, "We have=20 been planning to establish an amusement park since 2000 with puppets=20 and themes from Hungarian folk tales only, but it is too early to=20 talk about details." Debrecen, on the other hand has used the=20 opportunity to run for the title of Hungary's Cultural Capital and=20 promises to finish the park by 2008. "The project will cost around Ft3bn ($14m) and will be financed by=20 Debrecen's local government," government spokesperson G=E1bor Guly=E1s=20 told The Sun. He added, "Hungary has no other amusement parks apart=20 from those from the Socialist times, while theme parks are very=20 popular everywhere else in Europe." Although 5 other cities have plans to build Hungarian-style theme=20 parks, only Debrecen says it has made concrete plans and proposed=20 detailed project financing. ------------ Copyright 2001 The Budapest Sun From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 08:26:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80474 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 15:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 15:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 15:26:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 15:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 15:26:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:26:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: High-Tech Hauntings Require Human Touch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JupDnuf1n0NJvl7s75LfsLi6PW1Tp5RWIyykDR1_0bq950I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 27, 2005 TechNewsWorld By Susan B. Shor "The fastest growing segment of the industry is the home haunter,"=20 said Leonard Pickel, organizer of HauntCon, an annual tradeshow and=20 convention for haunted attractions. "Some spend a huge amount of=20 money and time, and then graduate to doing their own haunted=20 attractions," turning a pastime into a business. Boo! Lurking behind that spooky haunted house - whether it be next door or=20 at the local amusement park - are embedded computing devices and=20 other bits of engineering magic that, while not the highest tech=20 gadgets on the market, sure come in handy when the Jedis, ninjas,=20 princesses and witches come around on All Hallow's Eve, a.k.a.=20 Halloween. Both Pickel (who runs HauntCon, an annual tradeshow and convention=20 for haunted attractions), and Dennis Griesser (a computer programmer=20 who has become haunted by decorating his Southern California home=20 each year), agree that the key that unlocked the floodgates for their=20 spooky alter egos was their first, inexpensive fog machine. Yes, it's=20 not at the top of the high-tech hit list, but what's a haunted=20 mansion without one? And indeed, no longer do haunters have to rent used theatrical=20 machines, scour yard sales or build their own mist-maker. Now the=20 foundation of fear can be had for a double sawbuck. "20 years ago,=20 you'd pay $200 for a used fog machine. Now it's $20," Griesser said,=20 adding, "the technology is not rocket science." Fog Rolls In=20 It may not be rocket science, but there is at least 1 Web site - Got=20 Fog - dedicated to the science of creating different effects with=20 that cheap fog machine. Once the mood is set, the sky's the limit on=20 an ever-expanding desire for bats, black lights and witches' brews. Griesser's obsession began small, with a retrofitted talking=20 Christmas tree in 1997. The speakers, he discovered, accepted=20 external input, and he was off and running. He hid the tree with=20 microphone and inset speakers along the walkway to his house. With=20 closed circuit TV, he watched for unsuspecting visitors following the=20 glowing footsteps to his door. As they passed the tree, all heckling=20 broke loose as Griesser spoke into his remote mike, thus scaring and=20 delighting the trick-or-treaters, and beginning a tradition. That tradition has grown into a year-long effort, an extensive=20 designing and engineering project Griesser works on with his friend,=20 Dave Harmon. No Mysteries Here Their secret ingredient? Well, it's not really a secret. Griesser is=20 happy to show everyone the man behind the curtain; he operates an=20 exhaustive Web site with detailed plans for all his designs. It all comes down to a little home automation system called X10, used=20 by many home haunters. With a bit of fiddling, X10 will remotely=20 control just about anything mechanical that a person wants to turn on=20 and off. That's very handy for lights, or, say, the giant animated=20 spider that sits on the roof. This one is on Griesser's roof, and it=20 could lurk atop anyone's home with the proper application of an air=20 compressor, PVC pipe, plywood, muslin, LED for the glowing eyes,=20 mulch bags for weights and X10. Put all together, this collection of gadgetry and Home Depot products=20 becomes a creepy, crawly moving spider, a beast whose roots are=20 eerily similar to the much more sophisticated animatronics=20 professional haunters use to lure those who enjoy being scared. Believe it or not, tradeshow HauntCon's Pickel said the automated=20 moaning zombie who reaches for those who dare venture into a=20 professional haunted house is related to the bear family - the bears=20 of the Country Bear Jamboree, that is. Disneyland's wholesome,=20 smiling family fare gets turned on its head to serve the Dark Lord,=20 or at least to grab the Halloween entertainment dollar. The technology that Disney's Imagineers developed for their=20 attractions are also used by designers to create characters with=20 names like "the Impaler" and "the Thrashing Hag." These props cost=20 thousands of dollars each and are made by one of the biggest=20 manufacturers of high-tech Halloween gadgetry, Scare Factory.=20 Distortions Unlimited also engineers characters, settings and props=20 for the industry that sends people running - and these, too, run for=20 big bucks. Computer Controlled Specters Griesser said the next step up for home haunters is to go to=20 Parallax, Inc., makers of BASIC stamp microcontrollers, tiny little=20 devices that can easily be hidden inside a prop. Using Parallax's=20 technology is a bit trickier than X10, though, Griesser said. "There=20 are lots of barriers," he said. "You have to do electronics, select=20 and figure out how to operate a computer and learn how to program it.=20 None of these things are insurmountable, but it scares people." When designing creatures, Griesser offers another bit of advice. He=20 recommends LCD lights instead of LEDs - the latter need resistors to=20 limit their current. "LCDs can be made very small, they use very=20 little power, they come in many different colors and they're very=20 inexpensive," he said. "I'm shocked at how many haunters have gone=20 gaga over using LEDs in the eyes of masks, etc." Same Guts and Bolts Delving into the realm of the Halloween haunt, it becomes clear that=20 there can be a very fine line between being a home haunter, who=20 spends hundreds of dollars and hours tinkering, and the pro=20 haunter. "The fastest growing segment of the industry is the home=20 haunter," Pickel said. "Some spend a huge amount of money and time,=20 and then graduate to doing their own haunted attractions," turning a=20 pastime into a business. Be they created by a home haunter or professional, all these scary=20 monsters require pneumatics, animatronics and some type of remote=20 control device in order to get going. But Pickel and Griesser also=20 agree on one more key point: It is the human factor that makes the=20 difference, allowing these mechanical spirits to really come to=20 life. "One of the things that I do differently when I use an=20 animation or pneumatic pop-up is I give it to a live actor to make it=20 move. Scaring people is all in the timing," Pickel said. "A robot=20 doesn't know where the people are looking or what the makeup of the=20 group is. By giving the firing button to an actor, I can increase the=20 scare factor, because of the timing." "My wife and I share the remote," Griesser said. "The fun part is=20 waiting until the right moment to hit the button. Plus, we don't want=20 to scare the little ones." ---------- =A9 1998-2005 ECT News Network, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 09:36:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53549 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 16:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 16:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 16:36:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 16:34:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 16:34:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:34:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 "Wild!" Roars Into Retail Stores Nationwide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-m73SPIUYE_HeOWzt7AFMU1XxBGOpqsbglqf6QfThNNZNag X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 27, 2005 Press Release Source: Atari, Inc. PRwire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051027/nyth029.html?.v=3D29 NEW YORK, NY -- Today fans of the RollerCoaster Tycoon=AE franchise get=20 wild as Atari, Inc. ships RollerCoaster Tycoon=AE 3: Wild!, an=20 adventure-filled expansion pack for the highly-successful RCT3, to=20 retailers nationwide. Developed by Frontier Developments, Ltd., the=20 Windows platform game invites people of all ages to create and manage=20 a safari-themed adventure park that features thrilling new rides as=20 well as many different animal species to manage. According to the NPD=20 Group, RollerCoaster Tycoon is the top-selling tycoon franchise,=20 having sold nearly 9-million units life-to-date worldwide and is the=20 second best-selling Windows franchise of all time in the U.S. "RCT3: Wild! presents players with the opportunity to create and ride=20 more extreme coasters and interact with animals of all species,=20 including animatronic dinosaurs," said Marc Metis, Senior VP of=20 Marketing for Atari, Inc. "Without a doubt, RCT3: Wild! is the most=20 exciting and extreme adventure park game to date." RCT3: Wild! retains the focus that has made the franchise so=20 enduringly popular by inviting players to build, manage, and then=20 ride the virtual amusement park of their dreams. Requiring RCT3 to=20 play, the Wild! expansion also includes cutting-edge and classic=20 theme park rides and customizable, choreographed animal shows using=20 the RCT3 MixMaster(TM). The game also includes elephant rides, the=20 Paddle-Steam Cruiser, and baby animal exhibits. The result is that=20 players can now recreate their favorite safari-style theme parks. RCT3: Wild! was created by Frontier Developments, Ltd. in conjunction=20 with Chris Sawyer, the creator and sole developer of RollerCoaster=20 Tycoon. Additional information about the franchise is available at=20 http://www.atari.com/rollercoastertycoon. ------------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 27 10:48:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62422 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 17:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 17:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 17:48:20 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EVBrO-00037e-6o for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:48:18 -0400 Message-ID: <436112EE.1080801@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:48:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec7ef777256b4361f6f6b6565330b96934350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Volunteers, employees help clean up Conneaut Lake Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=el5IgbndedFMLhl5ZAC2GvRyAINqFQAQ4Za54HlreoCHyJI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > CONNEAUT LAKE, PA —- Newly appointed Conneaut Lake Park general GM > George Deshner recently learned that the financial records aren't the > only thing in disarray at the 113-y.o. amusement park. "This place > was a mess," said Deshner about the odds and ends he found stored > throughout the park. > > Everybody complained there was no storage space, he said. "No > wonder," Deshner remarked. "They had so much junk stored everywhere." > > Deshner plans to remedy the situation with a spring auction of > obsolete items that park employees and 80 "Make a Difference Day" > volunteers collected as they cleaned out all the park's buildings and > grounds. So how many think that the coaster enthusiast community will be showing up in good numbers for that? Sounds like they have some really neat things, along with a bunch of junk. Would be kind of neat if the auction helped to provide enough funds to help get the park back on more stable financial footing. So anyone here thinking about checking out the auction? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 11:00:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37014 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 18:00:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 17:59:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2005 17:59:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:59:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=34rkUWJJl367LnZQHp124DEgMEA4z4SoWv2jG7ibN1J94gBlKwPD X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > It looks like > someone hung subway trains from a rail! It was actually pretty cool > swooping above traffic. (Incidentally, I stumbled across the website > for The Monorail Society this week, as well.)=20 Wow, that sounds like a thrill ride all by itself! =20 Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Oct 27 16:04:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31474 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 23:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2005 23:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 23:04:15 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9RN4EdH017315 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:04:14 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:04:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4325E82B-5DF9-41F5-90E7-09E93754FA67@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:04:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2005 23:04:14.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0469080:01C5DB4A] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=vOAksaWj_mJ4QSOqPeZMxG2xRgz0R7WGBguStatfEfdfn8vl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. [...] unlike my first trip, this > place was PACKED! Seems that this email list has greater coverage than anyone thought! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 09:52:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1881 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 16:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 16:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 16:52:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 16:50:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 16:50:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 16:50:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:50:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051024073932.93721.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hqFsF3tQrKDC22U9lzDnscOd_an27ui4ghB-8F70C3x9wH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wood=20 wrote: > SNIP > Also, > the obligitory Castles n' Coasters and AZ State Fair > in October (look for a TR for my upcoming trip in a > week or two). >=20 > -Bryan Hey, I'm off to the AZ Fair this Saturday. The weather is supposed to=20 be gorgeous! I hope they have the spinning mouse again this year. And,=20 of course, the Hi-Miler. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:01:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72556 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:01:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:00:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:00:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:00:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Merced Boy Scout Returns to Amusement Park to Repair Vandals' Damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=z3x-ezPIvwZebDSCM87SL_A0990Tok6blb3iBe-Pg9kS_k8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 28, 2005 The Merced Sun-Star http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11408069p-12153319c.html Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, sits in one of=20 the helicopters he repainted at Kiddieland in Merced's Applegate Park=20 as part of his quest to obtain the rank of Eagle Scout. Tyler, a member of Merced's Troop 88, worked on the project for about=20 a month after school. After vandals broke into the amusement park=20 earlier this month and painted graffiti on the ride, Tyler made a=20 return visit to paint over the damage. He has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before=20 receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. Fun and free rides for all will be on hand Saturday as the landmark=20 closes for the season. ----------- =A9 2005 The Merced Sun-Star From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:22:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38866 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:22:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:21:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:21:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The Fool's Look Ahead X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YGmTTzZKy1jJcyrH8OOHK-kWy0Gbxy2IoKmtpkr-Wg9W2HE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 28, 2005 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05102802.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Yes, Wall Street celebrates Halloween, too. At least that's what I've=20 found when I don my Alan Greenspan mask and knock on corporate doors=20 for tricks and treats. One company that loves Halloween, and just=20 happens to be reporting on Oct. 31, is Cedar Fair. The regional=20 amusement park operator has been able to grow its operating season by=20 extending its schedule to include Halloween scare fests in the once=20 moribund month of October. The 2005 season has been pretty flat for=20 Cedar Fair, a high-yielding recommendation in the Fool's Income=20 Investor newsletter. The company relies on incremental advances to=20 keep inching its payout higher. On Monday, we'll get the final word=20 of how the thrill park operator's season ultimately shaped up. etc... ---------- =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:29:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60384 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:29:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bm.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:28:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:28:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:28:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Movieland Wax Museum closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3afluL384EOGqcE9uLy76EMabXPI6RXup2aySi9dOkE5H1k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 28, 2005 The Associated Press http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05301/595405.stm BUENA PARK, Ca. -- The 43-y.o. Movieland Wax Museum will close on=20 Halloween because of increased competition from upscale shopping=20 malls and nearby amusement parks including Disneyland and Knotts=20 Berry Farm, its owner said. The Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum=20 across the street also may close, said Rodney Fong, whose family owns=20 both attractions. "Once DL and Universal Studios became 2-day attractions, we began=20 competing with retail, the beach and other activities on the 3rd=20 day," Fong said. "People aren't taking longer vacations or spending=20 more money, so that made it real rough for us." When the museum opened in 1962, searchlight beams oscillated across=20 the skies, actress Mary Pickford cut a ceremonial ribbon and a=20 freshly sculpted wax figure of James Dean greeted the guests. It drew up to 1.2 million annual visitors during its peak in the=20 1960s, and stars including James Stewart, Sammy Davis Jr. and Carol=20 Burnett showed up for unveilings of their wax figures. "The wax=20 museum had its day," said Buena Park Mayor Don McCay. "It's not a=20 modern tourist attraction anymore." But some people will miss it. "It's going to be sad to see this place=20 go," said Gary Graves of Orange. "I've been bringing out-of-town=20 relatives here for years." Most of the 300-plus wax figures, movie sets and costumes will be=20 shipped to Movieland's more successful sister location at Fisherman's=20 Wharf in San Francisco, Fong said. Plans call for the museum to be replaced by an entertainment=20 center/pizza parlor featuring arcades, food, rides, bowling and a=20 small theater. --------------- =A91997-2005 PG Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:37:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23184 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:37:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:36:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:36:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:36:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wild Adventures gears up for 10th birthday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RxohhM-bkRHXMPQhDThLIkSxcalFNdn2GaU9MnZsXZ6klKk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There is also a video report at the same link. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 27, 2005 WALB News 10 http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4038688&nav=3D5kZQ by Ashley Harper Valdosta, GA -- A South Georgia amusement park is celebrating nearly=20 a decade of entertainment. Wild Adventures Theme Park in Valdosta opened May 1996. The park is=20 kicking off a year long anniversary celebration next month with=20 dozens of promotional activities, like a new platinum passport that=20 includes a year's park admission, parking, food discounts, and go=20 kart rides. They'll also open a new river adventure ride and entertainment show. Owner Kent Buescher says 10 years ago, he never imagined the park=20 would attract visitors from all over the southeastern U.S. "It really=20 could not have happened without the support of all our guests and the=20 community because in a rural area like this, nobody could have ever=20 imagined that you could build a park that would attract this many=20 guests," said Buescher. The park is planning a community wide birthday party on Memorial Day=20 weekend. --------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2005 WorldNow and WALB From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90458 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bm.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:38:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Movieland Wax Museum closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wE-QJftVAzYyezWc8w4xRSBX2LwMxSU-_ALcmvIIP9F1AXs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I remember going there on a Band Trip (like, there was this one time at=20 Band Camp...) in the early 1980's. -Alan...Who never went to Bank Camp :( From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 10:44:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10906 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:43:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 17:43:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:43:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Halloween party "slug fest" support hurricane victims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lb9B3A5krfeywrt_seBHL22PA116zMMne_H1bGGOfSEOZis X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 10/27/05 Home News Tribune Online http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051027/NEWS01/510270379/1001 Jackson, NJ -- Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson will host a "slug=20 fest" of East Coast Professional Wrestlers tomorrow to raise money to=20 help families affected by Hurricane Katrina. "Not only will people have the opportunity to experience all the=20 events in the park and get spooked at Fright Fest, but they also will=20 have the chance to see "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka and friends, said=20 Jackson Deputy Mayor Michael Kafton, who is organizing the event. "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka is just one of the wrestlers who will be=20 there. Others include: Johnny Thunder, Lucky Zaccone, Gino Caruso,=20 Andrew Anderson, Jay Santana, Crazy Ivan and the Owens Brothers,=20 Kafton said. SFGA has donated 1,100 tickets for the show, along with the use of=20 its theater, while the ECPW's are donating their time, Kafton said in=20 a prepared statement. Ticket prices are $35, which includes entry to the park and the show,=20 while $25 will get season-ticket holders into the show. All proceeds will be donated to the American Red Cross Disaster=20 Relief Fund. Tickets may be purchased at Glory's Market, West Commodore Boulevard;=20 George Realty, 2200 W. County Line Road; and the White Butterfly, 200=20 N. County Line Road. Businesses willing to sell tickets are asked to call Kafton's office=20 at (732) 905-7898. ----------- =A9 2005 Home News Tribune From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 13:23:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84503 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 20:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 20:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 20:23:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 20:23:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2005 20:23:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:23:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Movieland Wax Museum closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=qjUdq7eUMPJlb_m9tUiy-je8pj0EFcgRnN0e2t9GceGczBD0_fGG X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani The LA Times has a longer---and more opinionated---article here: http://tinyurl.com/9azqz The OC Register has photos: http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_721621.php I lived no more than 20 miles away for 28 years, but never went. It=20 always seemed like such an odd attraction to me. I'll try to fit in a=20 visit over the weekend, but I'm not sure I'll make it. Adam From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 28 16:32:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6269 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 23:32:28 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EVdi0-0003Wo-DL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:32:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4362B519.3000707@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:32:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec4d143738b5238401f2787fc10ec7f8b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Movieland Wax Museum closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=g1mKJnIh3sNQ2vPzA7a7_I0i2k2dK-ZCULAyiLlBTtEORt4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > BUENA PARK, Ca. -- The 43-y.o. Movieland Wax Museum will close on > Halloween because of increased competition from upscale shopping > malls and nearby amusement parks including Disneyland and Knotts > Berry Farm, its owner said. The Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum > across the street also may close, said Rodney Fong, whose family owns > both attractions. To bad. We really enjoyed our couple of visits to the museum. It's a really neat place to visit, and we had a lot of fun in it. It's going to be a loss. > Plans call for the museum to be replaced by an entertainment > center/pizza parlor featuring arcades, food, rides, bowling and a > small theater. And this is a smack in the face- to be replaced by Chuck E. Cheese. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 01:33:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73072 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 08:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 08:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 08:33:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 08:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 08:33:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:33:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4325E82B-5DF9-41F5-90E7-09E93754FA67@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.127.151 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=prdO0JVmfpLEHHtRWbGwGlmEJF_1riQU2umXcPbrKMhjMfiyPw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > > So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. [...] unlike my first trip, this=20=20 > > place was PACKED! >=20 > Seems that this email list has greater coverage than anyone thought! >=20 > Cameron. When I first read this, I thought to myself that I must be writing TR's for myself. Then I realized the sarcasm in your comment, especially since you are pretty active in the group, Cam. Chris=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 01:38:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52723 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 08:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2005 08:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 08:38:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 08:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2005 08:38:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:38:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.127.151 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Merced Boy Scout Returns to Amusement Park to Repair Vandals' Damage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=N9lA5NvE2p3rVZ0sJ55Pzb2YQepUy83qbeLE4v5b2AhVti2TZg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > October 28, 2005 > The Merced Sun-Star > http://www.mercedsun-star.com/local/story/11408069p-12153319c.html >=20 >=20 > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, sits in one of=20 > the helicopters he repainted at Kiddieland in Merced's Applegate Park=20 > as part of his quest to obtain the rank of Eagle Scout. > He has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before=20 > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old. Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here. (I had a friend in school, a fellow cub scout, in fact, reach that rank in our senior year of high school.) Chris B From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Oct 30 16:09:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94758 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1d9.48536bcd (15887) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f436560a914a; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:09:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:06:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43656000.3020202@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Dutch Wonderland, October 23, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=APq6rSfH4wpgEaNTXLU6Z5gNZm2Cq3HqqAmpuKaFxqu1KY3ByQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432597-M.jpg Dutch Wonderland October 23, 2005 Weather - Perfect, lots of sun, high in the mid 60's Full photo gallery can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/907774 Intigrated photo report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/bybqw "So, did you like riding the Princess?" my sister asked when I talked to her later that evening. "That can be taken all sorts of directions, huh?" She quickly corrected. I did enjoy riding the Princess, the Sky Princess that is. A couple of weeks ago at PPP, I ran into Brian and Carol Watts. Brian had said they had planned on visiting Dutch Wonderland the night before, but due to the rain it was closed. He had a bunch of comp tickets from Hershey, and offered me one since I was planning on visiting on Sunday. As it turned out, I woke up on Sunday feeling like I had been hit by a truck, and decided to instead get a few last rides in, visit GCII for the tour, and head home. So, it took me two weeks to finally get a chance to take a ride out to the land of the Amish and visit the park for the first time in 20 years. I got to the park at about quarter till four, for the four o'clock opening. You enter the park through the castle, which just as I remember it, was a large gift shop. On the other side of the castle was the main gate to the park, something that was not there when I last visited, since then it was a free admission park with ride tickets. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41431707-M.jpg The ticket plaza itself is small, but nice looking, with colorful brick buildings making up the various gates. The park mascots, the Princess and Duke, the Dragon, were there greeting the kids. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41431749-M.jpg After going through the gates you are confronted with the train station and a choice, to head right or head left. I headed to the right to make my way to the Sky Princess. On the way I cross the small pond via this neat pontoon bridge. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41431861-M.jpg It did not take me long to get to the empty Sky Princess station (1), and I headed up to the platform. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41431984-M.jpg I hopped into the back seat, and after a minute we were off. Sky Prince was CCI's first coaster, and is a small family coaster topping out at only 55 feet. It is a funky design, not overly thrilling, but great fun to ride none the less. Out of the station the coaster turns to the right and rolls to a quick lift hill. After cresting the lift, the ride does a small drop into banked right turn before dropping down the main drop. At the bottom of the main drop there is this funky little five foot bump, that is all that it really is, that gives a little spike of airtime before rising a larger hill. The train does an s-turn as it passes over the monorail and then drops down into the fan turn to head in the other direction. Out of the fan turn is a short tunnel as it passes below the monorail, which for Halloween they had decked out with a strobe light and a fog machine, making as really cool effect as it grew darker. It does another bunny hop, and then a flat left turn into a dive under the monorail yet again. This is the best part of the ride, with some nice laterals and a nice pop of air. The dip is followed by a quick upward helix into the brake run. I really liked the ride, it is nothing intense, but it seems to fit perfectly into the park, and actually delivered more then I expected. It was run very well to, a very friendly crew that had no problem letting me take any empty seats, so I got a ton of rides on it that night. I just wish I could have gotten some better photos of it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432037-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432537-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432492-M.jpg Across the was from the Princess is the Joust, a decent sized Zamperla coaster. I got a circuit on it for the credit. It is an odd little ride, with a funky circular layout. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41434287-M.jpg I headed for the back of the park and the bumper cars there. They had some speakers set up outside the bumper car building playing 50's music, all related to cars, playing very loudly. But what I found inside is what really surprised me. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41434582-M.jpg Oh yeah!!! That is a Lusse name plate you are looking at. These cars are like the ones I rode a few months ago at Oaks Park, they look like old antique cars, and not like the ones at Knoebels or Bushkill. They still have the same guts, though, and they ride just like the ones at Oaks, they seem to skid around the corners, but they still move pretty fast and hit hard. Actually, I am surprised to find them in what is a kiddie park, as they seem to hit a little too hard for the little kids that were riding them with their parents. The arena is small, and they only have nine cars running, with a few in the bull pen, but the ones running ran well. I caught a couple of rides on them and then headed for the Monorail. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41434381-M.jpg The Monorail is a signature ride at Dutch Wonderland. It has been at the park since nearly the beginning. When I was there as a kid, I was disappointed when we ran out of tickets and I could not ride the Monorail, so now I finally got my chance. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432552-M.jpg It runs a long circuit, running along the back of the park past the Bumper Cars, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432376-M.jpg and the international gardens (2), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432425-M.jpg before making a turn and working its way through the Sky Princess. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432537-M.jpg It then runs through a second station and out and around the parking lot. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432621-M.jpg Then the ride runs over the lagoon and dragon (3), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432701-M.jpg over the two motion simulators, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432729-M.jpg before finally returning to the station. I headed towards the front of the park and caught a ride on the Dragon's Lair boat ride. It is a slow circle through the lagoon, nothing spectacular, but unique and cute. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41433579-M.jpg Right outside the boats is the Sky Ride, so I got on it and rode it to the other side of the park. It gives a nice view of the park, but it is run in ultra slow speed, so I figured I would do better not riding it back. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41433833-M.jpg I headed over to the motion simulator rides, the Astroliner and VR Voyager. (4) I hopped on the Astroliner first for that vintage retro feel. By today's standards it is pretty lame, but I just can't pass up the classics. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41432886-M.jpg The VR Voyager was a pretty neat ride too, pretty decent motion the matched up with what was going on on the screen pretty well. Next up for me was the Wonder House, another ride that I did not get to go on as a kid. It is a haunted swing, and an old one at that. The effect is still good, and it really works if you just forget that it is an illusion and go with the flow of it. I loved how they had a microphone set up on the inside and speakers outside, it really added to the effect as you could hear the screams and laughter coming from the inside. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/41433281-M.jpg I took a quick spin on the Flying Trapeze, a Yo-Yo, and then headed over to the Princess for a few more rerides. Actually, a lot more rerides, the coaster is very ridable and the crew was outstanding. So I would ride four or five times, head down to the Bumper Cars for a few rides, and then back up to the Princess. I did this until about 8 before deciding it was time to hit the road. I had a nice time at the park. It is a very well rounded park, with a bit of something for everyone. The staff was outstanding, everyone was very friendly and helpful. The park was also imaculate, not a bit of litter to be found, well, with the exception of a turned up Hershey bar wrapper that I saw. Hmmmm...I almost wonder if that was on purpose. (5) Hope you enjoyed. _____ Footnotes: 1. Since it is Halloween, just like Hersheypark, most of the rides here have had their names changed, for instance, the Sky Princess is now the Roller Ghoster, but I am going to stick with the common names 2. The international gardens were closed for the season; I remember riding this ferris wheel as a kid? 3. I wonder, is this Duke's big bad brother? 4. This is pretty cool. When the park decided they needed a new simulator to keep up with the times, instead of getting rid of the old Astroliner, they put the new simulator, the VR Voyager right next to it. 5. At Hersheypark, which now owns Dutch Wonderland, Milton Hershey used to walk around the park picking up any litter he would find. The only thing he would not pick up were Hershey bar wrappers, which he would instead leave turned face up. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Oct 30 16:12:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87316 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1c7.34777cbb (15862) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6436561462b4; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:11:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:09:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4365609D.5020700@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=2UoEZV8WxE0ZEPAFmnlQOKHZJXGO3Rt6MPUtLwmZyCKRvnNZRA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 10/30/2005, 3:33 AM: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: > > > > > > > So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. [...] unlike my first trip, this > > > place was PACKED! > > > > Seems that this email list has greater coverage than anyone thought! > > > > Cameron. > > When I first read this, I thought to myself that I must be writing > TR's for myself. Then I realized the sarcasm in your comment, > especially since you are pretty active in the group, Cam. > > Chris Keep writing them Chris. I may not comment much, but I love reading them, expecally since they are places I likely will never get to. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Oct 30 16:24:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96810 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 00:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 00:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 00:24:41 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9V0MeOx001086 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:22:40 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:22:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2490A71A-EBC3-43D1-A95A-E79CC4EA5955@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:22:39 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2005 00:22:40.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[34318E60:01C5DDB1] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=D95uJJ4PU7C6oMlGSwaVihG36fppGF1aYDC3oHnmsHWjOR5- X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, I'm SO SORRY you got that impression .. I really like your reports, and always give them a thorough read. The last thing you should feel is that they go unread .. again, sorry to give you that impression. Cameron. On Oct 30, 2005, at 2:33 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: > >> >> >> >>> So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. [...] unlike my first trip, this >>> place was PACKED! >>> >> >> Seems that this email list has greater coverage than anyone thought! >> >> Cameron. >> > > When I first read this, I thought to myself that I must be writing > TR's for myself. Then I realized the sarcasm in your comment, > especially since you are pretty active in the group, Cam. > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Are we * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** there yet?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 17:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28990 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 01:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 01:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 01:42:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 01:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 01:41:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:41:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43656000.3020202@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.133.139.72 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Dutch Wonderland, October 23, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=yyJaHTjLnPBWHJelWtVyFdgVqPPOfhvb7NiQUD8vyCouISRhIfEo X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani That sounds really fun... it sounds like they do a great job with mild, family-friendly thrills. I love the anecdote about Hershey, too. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 02:46:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6640 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 10:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 10:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 10:46:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 10:46:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 10:46:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:46:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2490A71A-EBC3-43D1-A95A-E79CC4EA5955@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.127.151 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=flPNGFtlfKFJFNZgEOqsJOwQk_Q1QnLStWY653e6fDXuNXtsPA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > Hi Chris, >=20 > I'm SO SORRY you got that impression .. I really like your reports,=20=20 > and always give them a thorough read. >=20 > The last thing you should feel is that they go unread .. again, sorry = =20 > to give you that impression. >=20 > Cameron. > >>> So I moved on to Arakawa Yuen. [...] unlike my first trip, this > >>> place was PACKED! > >>> > >> > >> Seems that this email list has greater coverage than anyone thought! Wait, I get the joke as: RCT is so widely read that my TR for the park increased attendance at the park. Am I missing another interpretation? Did we go so far off the other end of the sarcasm scale that it came around full circle?=20 I feel dum today. Chris From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 31 05:37:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67258 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ipmail.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from is_server-2.alpha-sys.com (HELO is_server.ALPHA_IS) ([192.168.2.99]) by ipmail.alpha-sys.com with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2005 08:34:45 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,269,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="23324:sNHT21813680" Received: by mail.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: OT: Boy Scout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=FihnJUipnaXA3BUx_9mP2723GWToZgc470xE1UEs4Eh0GtXgJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, ... > > ... has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before > > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. > > I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the > extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old. > Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here. Yes, I noticed that too. It's takes a lot of work, and time, to earn the "Eagle" rank. I just assumed that either A) it's a typo, or B) this kid is some kind of manic, hyperfocused overachiever. Jon "troop 122" Z ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From GaMndbndr@mindspring.com Mon Oct 31 06:27:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: GaMndbndr@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46605 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 14:27:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 14:27:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 14:27:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:26:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.32.156.234 From: "Robert" Subject: Re: OT: Boy Scout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63385192; y=TfXyMqjac5H-uEAupGRe8QchtSB8zsuDAZHpJqmsxx9iuGgN X-Yahoo-Profile: gamndbndr --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jon Zucker wrote: > > > > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, ... > > > ... has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before=20 > > > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. > >=20 > > I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the=20 > > extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old.=20 > > Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here.=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Yes, I noticed that too. It's takes a lot of work, and time, to earn > the "Eagle" rank. I just assumed that either >=20 > A) it's a typo, or > B) this kid is some kind of manic, hyperfocused overachiever. Or, more than likely,=20 C) a couple of parents pushing unbelievably hard. 13-14 is young, but I think most Eagles are awarded around the 16th birthday before jobs, cars, & girls get in the mix. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Oct 31 06:50:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10545 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 14:50:52 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id j9VEnfj3018768 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:49:41 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:49:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9ADD5FAC-C321-468D-A37E-BFE038989CF5@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:49:41 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2005 14:49:41.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[53577380:01C5DE2A] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Not really a TR: Chiba Zoo Dream World and Arakawa Yuen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=L83HWWug-6OW_9-F4kaQVRU4X4jWDhoiQZ29tMIDkKfIy6i1 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Wait, I get the joke as: RCT is so widely read that my TR for the park > increased attendance at the park. Ding! That's right. It was actually a compliment! > I feel dum today. That's OK .. it's Monday. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 07:09:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78737 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 15:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 15:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 15:09:53 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EWbHw-0004of-Cr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:09:32 -0500 Message-ID: <436633AB.2000908@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:09:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aece16fb61839ec19196beb980c03088dd3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Boy Scout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=JwTNMTsi2UOAj0ETfFTFnunjrA8Q1MDu9nxH7qTVOCl73vk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zucker wrote: > > > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, ... > > > ... has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before > > > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. > > > > I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the > > extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old. > > Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here. > > > Yes, I noticed that too. It's takes a lot of work, and time, to earn > the "Eagle" rank. I just assumed that either > > A) it's a typo, or > B) this kid is some kind of manic, hyperfocused overachiever. > Or his parents really push the kid to acheive a lot and quickly, which was my scoutmaster's son's problem. He was an eagle at 14 or 15 if I remember right. keep on ridin' George (First Class scout troop 644) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jzerkel@consolidated.net Mon Oct 31 07:32:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43924 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.171) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email01.consolidated.net (MOS 3.6.5-GR) with SMTP id COW05211; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:32:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001201c5de30$472f5d10$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:32:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=18/90, host=email01.consolidated.net X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: what's up with IOA Central?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=O9raYzubeEN-7zAq7da3vKFkA9uCF-ned06IAPML6ip1yV8o X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone here knows what's happened to the IOACentral.com website? No updates since August 8, 2005. I realize it requires a substantial amount of time (and dollars) to maintain any website;but I always thought IOA Central was a very well-done, professional looking site, and I would hate to see it die. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who went coasterless in '05. :-( You know... that whole wedding thing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 09:07:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12837 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 17:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:07:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:07:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:07:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:07:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New Joyland owners may reopen park next spring X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iYdrN9cYWwUoOHBsi6xfGqgbwLgxtntk8SGOetaC_DJX53w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 28, 2005 Wichita Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2005/10/31/story2.html? from_rss=3D1 by Ken Vandruff Wichita, KS -- Joyland Amusement Park has been sold, and Stanley &=20 Margaret Nelson say they are ready to return to retirement. They are delighted with the terms of the sale, which were not=20 disclosed, and the buyer's experience with running amusement parks. The Nelsons are also honoring the buyer's request to remain=20 anonymous. The deal is scheduled to close before Dec. 15, says Allen=20 Mairs, listing agent with Occidental Management Inc. It's the 2nd time the Nelsons have sold JL, which they've owned since=20 1973 after working there since it opened in 1949. The couple had to=20 buy JL out of foreclosure after financial problems forced it to close=20 in 2004. David Rohr, a former GM who bought JL from the Nelsons in=20 2000, accrued several lawsuits and tax liens while operating JL. The buyer has indicated "a high probability" that they plan to reopen=20 JL as an amusement park, Mairs says, possibly in time for the start=20 of the 2006 season. Plans for the 56-y.o. park should be announced=20 within the next 60 days. JL has 24 rides including a wooden roller coaster that is on the=20 American Coaster Enthusiasts "Classic Coaster" list. Mairs declined to discuss the terms of the sale, and would not say=20 how close the final sale price came to the $1.7 million asking price=20 that was listed on an advertisement marketing the park on eBay.com. The eBay listing generated 35,000 hits and phone calls from around=20 the world. "We had a fellow who wanted to trade a $3.5 million=20 (excursion) boat for JL," says Margaret Nelson. "We decided we didn't=20 want hurricanes, we didn't want Florida and we certainly didn't want=20 another job." Mairs says he doesn't know how much impact the eBay listing had on=20 the buyer's decision. Finding prospects=20 Several potential buyers showed interest in JL while it was on the=20 market. Some wanted to reopen it, others wanted to redevelop the 40=20 acres into a combination of residential and commercial use. Industry observers say JL would be a tempting acquisition for any=20 size amusement park company. "The smaller size provides an intimate=20 experience," says Beth Robertson, spokeswoman for the IAAPA. "There's=20 often shorter lines for rides and attractions. And, in some cases, it=20 focuses on family entertainment at reasonable prices." Amusement parks and attractions that draw 500,000 visitors or less=20 make up 93% of the industry. The new owners are looking at a marketplace that has changed since JL=20 closed. The $17 million Wild West World theme park is under=20 construction in Park City. All Star Adventures opened its 14-ride=20 amusement park at 1010 N. Webb Road in May. Thomas Etheredge, developer of WWW, says he's thrilled that the=20 Nelsons were able to sell JL as a single unit. He also believes JL,=20 WWW and ASA can complement each other. "It's not just going to be=20 like they're going to unlock the gates next spring and say, 'We're=20 open for business,' " he says. "It's going to take some major=20 renovation, but we hope and wish them the very best in that endeavor." Thomas Smith, operations manager at ASA, says 6 years ago there was=20 room for JL, Barnacle Bill's water park, Wichita Family Golf and All=20 Star Sports, and there's room for JoL and ASA today. The Nelsons are certain that JL's new owner will make it a=20 success. "It's been a wonderful thing being at JL all these years,"=20 Margaret Nelson says. "We enjoyed the first few years we had in=20 retirement, and we're anxious to resume that." ------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 09:16:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53749 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 17:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:16:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:16:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:16:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:16:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: BD9m park work set to begin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JuFWAfeWuVet_Jtj7W7L3h8-e3yI_Sp-wx_sd0sXKh_XAAg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 29 October 2005 Gulf Daily News http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp? Article=3D125524&Sn=3DBNEW&IssueID=3D28223 By MOHAMMED AL A'ALI MANAMA, Bahrain -- Work on the BD9.1 million Adhari amusement park is=20 expected to begin in January, it was revealed. The park is the 2nd=20 phase of a project to revive the Adhari area, which hosts one of=20 Bahrain's most renowned landmarks - Ain Adhari. The natural freshwater spring was renovated and re-opened to the=20 public 2 years ago, while the new park is expected to be ready in 18=20 months. "Work on the park should have already begun in May, but due=20 to electrical problems it has been delayed," said Northern Municipal=20 Council chairman Sayed Majeed Al Sayed. "The previous amusement park, which has been closed down years ago,=20 didn't require that much electrical work, but this new park requires=20 a lot more electricity," he said. "The Electricity & Water Ministry=20 will install cables for the project and once that is completed then=20 the building permit will be approved." Al Sayed said the Northern Municipality was moving trees and=20 replanting them elsewhere in line with the park's new design. "No=20 trees have been thrown out and all we are doing is relocating them,"=20 he said. "We want the place to stay green, but at the same time we want it to=20 look neat." The new park will be built on an area of 165,319 sq-mt and will=20 feature a roller-coaster, a water park, children's play areas, a mini- golf course, a bowling alley, arcade games, family recreation=20 facilities, a shopping mall and a children's museum. The project will be carried out by Al Khaleej Development Company=20 (Tameer) and Kuwaiti Markets and Commercial Complexes Company, who=20 has been contracted to run the park for 30 years. Al Sayed said a lot of effort has been exerted to revive the area,=20 which is considered to be an important landmark in the country. "The=20 pool has been renovated recently and hopefully the new family=20 recreational facility will be an addition to it," he said. "The new facility will also provide job opportunities to 140=20 Bahrainis." In September 2003, the historic park was reopened to the public. The pool and the surrounding area were renovated and a mosque built=20 at a cost of BD60,000. Until a decade ago, the pool was one of the most popular recreation=20 sites in Bahrain. The entire project was initiated by His Majesty King Hamad and is=20 being overseen by the council and the Northern Municipality. --------- =A9 2004, Gulf Daily News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 09:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40849 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 17:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:27:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bm.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:27:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:27:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:27:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Beech Bend Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MfMckXBEOIrtyaKRNusmjPmpOAYk9qGmSl7lfz-kBN0IDak X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There's also a video report, at the same link, to along with this. If=20 you decide not to watch the video, the name of this coaster=20 is "Kentucky Rumbler". -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 31, 2005 WBKO-ABC 13=20 http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/1931567.html by Tamara Evans Bowling Green, KY -- Beech Bend Amusement Park has games and rides=20 for those of all ages, but according to park owner, Dallas Jones, the=20 one attraction it was missing was a wooden roller coaster. "I've=20 always wanted a coaster for the last 10 years... so I made a decision=20 last year that we'd take that giant step and invest a wooden=20 coaster", says Jones. Jones, along with the coaster's design engineer, Jeff Pike,=20 both say that this project is one that they feel tourists will want=20 to see whenever visiting Bowling Green. "Right now Western Kentucky=20 University and the Corvette Musuem... those kinds of places are=20 associated with Bowling Green... and I think eventually you're going=20 to see that this structure and then ultimately this park are really=20 part of Bowling Green." The project is only about 75% done, but crews are working 7 days a=20 week to make sure it gets done on time, a $4.5 million project, Jones=20 has put his entire life savings into." "When you do a project by yourself, you invest everything that you've=20 ever worked for: your savings, your retirement, your beach house and=20 whatever else you can think of. We've invested our life savings to=20 this... and hopefully it will turn out for us... hopefully it will=20 turn out good for us", says Jones. The wooden coaster is scheduled to open on May 6th. Over 7,000 roller=20 coaster enthusiasts have made plans to visit the park during the=20 first month that it opens. The Discovery Channel has also been filming the construction of the=20 roller coaster that will air in a documentary on roller coasters in=20 April. --------- =A9 2002-2005 Gray Television Group, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 09:39:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9039 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 17:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:39:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:39:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:39:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:39:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Beech Bend Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nNI-SRLv_K_EVpn4Two9Nvfv4y7Of0b6RVlS6jcc-lztUxY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 GCI has a video-simulation of Kentucky Rumbler here: http://www.greatcoasters.com/news.html -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 09:49:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25571 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 17:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:49:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:48:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 17:48:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:48:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: State fair rides heading over to theme park by Firebird Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fXrptTnzPg-agSVoFOVjddHv9UcyM2XRLitKW328mMd6BBg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 31, 2005 The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1031evsantapar k31.html by Betty Beard GILA RIVER INDIAN RESERVATION, AZ -- If you can't make it to the=20 Arizona State Fair before it ends Sunday, you'll soon have a chance=20 to enjoy its carnival rides closer to home. Operators of Santa's Park, a temporary Christmas theme park being set=20 up near Firebird Lake, south of Ahwatukee Foothills, have contracted=20 with Ray Cammack Shows Inc., of Laveen, to bring about half the=20 fair's amusement rides to the park after the fair ends. Santa's Park=20 runs Nov. 16 through Jan. 8. Although the park will bring fun and tourists to the area, some worry=20 that the mile-long park, with its thousands of lights and 73' tree=20 just west of I-10, would distract motorists. The rides will include Cammack's second-largest Ferris wheel, 115'- tall; Mega Drop, which drops a container filled with up to 44 people=20 120' down; and 20 rides for children. The company is bringing 45 of the 70 rides available at the fair. Firebird Lake and the nearby Firebird International Raceway are on=20 the Gila River Reservation, on land leased from the Gila River Indian=20 Community. "We already have a lot of accidents there," said Mary=20 Thomas, lieutenant governor of the Gila community. The park is about a mile from the Rawhide at Wild Horse Pass Western=20 theme park, which opens Dec. 1. Thomas also was concerned about the admission prices: $23 for adults=20 and $18 for seniors 55 and older and children 9 and younger. That=20 includes admission to all the rides. ---------- =A9 2005, azcentral.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Mon Oct 31 11:05:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95139 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 19:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 19:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 19:05:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 19:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2005 19:03:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:03:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=lqO5423huWXvwoi9SuEXLrEtOuYf4uEGyJmY9UIjAxRdDh64Gv4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred CEDAR POINT ANNOUNCES 2006 DAILY ADMISSION PRICES; NEW RIDE TO SWING=20 INTO FRONTIERTOWN IN 2006 Monday, October 31, 2005 6:08:33 AM Cedar Point Press Release=20 SANDUSKY, Ohio, Oct. 31, 2005 =96 Cedar Point amusement park/resort has=20 announced it has reduced the price of its regular one-day admission=20 ticket and will add a $6 million ride for the 2006 season.=20 Next summer, the price of a regular one-day admission ticket (valid=20 for guests ages 3-61 who are 48 inches and taller) will be $39.95, a=20 reduction of $5 off a regular one-day admission ticket in 2005=20 ($44.95).=20 Plus, the Junior ticket (valid for guests ages 3-61 who are under 48=20 inches tall), reduced from $24.95 to $9.95 in August, will remain at=20 $9.95 and the Senior ticket (valid for guests ages 62 and older),=20 reintroduced in August, will also stay the same at $9.95. Children=20 age 2 and under are free.=20 It will be the first time since the park implemented a pay-one-price=20 ticket program in 1970 that the price of a regular one-day admission=20 ticket has decreased.=20 "New ride, new price, new year. Even though we have just closed the=20 door on the 2005 season, we'll be ready for 2006," said John=20 Hildebrandt, vice president and general manager of Cedar Point. "We=20 know families are looking for ways to stretch their entertainment=20 dollar. We want to make a visit to Cedar Point more affordable for=20 more families. It is just that simple."=20 Prices were also lowered on two other admission tickets. A Starlight=20 admission ticket (available after 5 p.m. when Cedar Point closes at=20 10 p.m. or later or after 4 p.m. when the park closes earlier than 10=20 p.m.) has been reduced to $24.95. In 2005, a Starlight ticket was=20 $27. The popular Ride & Slide admission ticket, which includes=20 admission to both Cedar Point and Soak City on two days, has been=20 reduced from $67.95 to $64.95.=20 "Next season, we'll be making cotton candy on the midway and selling=20 it for 25 cents a stick," Hildebrandt added, noting the park will=20 also hold or reduce pricing for a number of food items.=20 In addition to the reduced ticket prices, the park will also add a=20 world-record-breaking thrill ride =96 Skyhawk. Located near Snake River=20 Falls in Frontiertown and standing 103 feet above the ground, Skyhawk=20 will be the tallest ride of its kind in the world.=20 Skyhawk will feature two giant swinging arms, each 84 feet in length,=20 with 20 seats on each arm. Each set of 20 seats will consist of two=20 rows of 10 seats, positioned back to back, that will provide each=20 rider with a "front row" view. Using pneumatic technology similar to=20 that used on Power Tower, riders will be thrilled as they are pushed=20 toward the sky, then experience weightlessness as they reverse=20 direction and rush back toward the ground =96 just like the drop side=20 of a roller coaster =96 with no ride structure in their path. At the=20 peak of the arc, riders on Skyhawk will be more than 125 feet in the=20 air and will reach speeds of 60 mph in both directions! The $6=20 million ride will give nearly 800 rides an hour. Each ride will be=20 approximately two minutes long. (Guests must be at least 48 inches=20 tall to ride Skyhawk.)=20 "Skyhawk will be the world's largest swing ride. It's a simple=20 concept, but it will be an amazing ride experience," Hildebrandt=20 said. "All of us have ridden swings as kids. Imagine riding a swing=20 that is higher than a 12-story building and goes faster than many=20 roller coasters."=20 Guests will have their first opportunity to ride Skyhawk when the=20 historic amusement park/resort opens for its 137th season on May 6,=20 2006. Construction of Skyhawk began immediately after the park closed=20 for the 2005 season on Sunday, Oct. 30.=20 Guests will be able to follow the construction progress of Skyhawk at=20 the park's Web site, www.cedarpoint.com. Exclusive=20 webcams, "OnPoint!" =96 Cedar Point's official web log and the FUNtimes=20 newsletter will help keep thrill-seekers up-to-date on the happenings=20 at the park during the winter months.=20 From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Oct 31 12:42:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47923 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 20:42:18 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h28so1006708wxd for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr907050wxo; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:42:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:42:17 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Euro Mir Car Model X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=W4a5WN5-wMbJnOnAmQyxkmMUpsFDDYCpP41BCeD-F-uL9AKPEOoD4ps X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Like I promised, here are a couple pictures of the balsa Euro Mir car model I was working on. It's one of my first "from scratch" models.=20 I'll still probably notice a few things that need to be touched up, and I'm still thinking about what I'll do for a stand or case (it has no undercarriage, so it probably won't go on track), but for the most part, it's done. Sorry the photos are so bad; my digital camera is lousy at close-ups. A general overview: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirIso1.jpg From the top: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirTop.jpg The actual ride: http://www.rcdb.com/ig972.htm It took quite a bit longer than I planned. The basic shaping of the body only took a few days, but the painting and detailing ended up being a lot harder than I expected, usually because I'd make a mistake, and that mistake would lead to a lot of extra work, and so on. If I make another, it probably won't take so long since I've gotten the hang of it, but I think I'll probably stay away from the round coaster cars from now on, because they're a lot harder to work with. I said I was planning on either the Wacky Soapbox Racers or the Whirl-Fly for my next one, but I think I might go with something simple instead, like a Leap-the-Dips car or a modern PTC. I do still plan on doing those later though. Also, I was looking at the Leap-the-Dips cars and trying to figure out some approximate dimensions. One thing I was confused about is that they look fairly wide for their length, but I figured they'd be about twice as long as they are wide. That just doesn't seem right to me, so I was wondering if anyone knows the approximate ratio between length and width for them (from the base). Or blueprints would work too. :-) In RollerCoaster Tycoon it looks like they're at about .75 wide to 1.00 long (just as a unitless ratio) but it's hard to tell from actual pictures. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Oct 31 15:34:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33588 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 23:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2005 23:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xmail.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 23:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1958 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2005 23:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 23:35:03 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EWjB6-0005Wa-1J for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <313E16D9-62F2-41A4-B8AA-CA45298C3565@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:41:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=4Hezuud_TT5r-B9Whw02KYcoNb7EoBuwrnY3Mj3P0sXpf68mm6cT X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Skyhawk will feature two giant swinging arms, each 84 feet in length, > with 20 seats on each arm. Each set of 20 seats will consist of two > rows of 10 seats, positioned back to back, that will provide each > rider with a "front row" view. Using pneumatic technology similar to > that used on Power Tower, riders will be thrilled as they are pushed > toward the sky, then experience weightlessness as they reverse > direction and rush back toward the ground =96 just like the drop side > of a roller coaster =96 with no ride structure in their path. At the > peak of the arc, riders on Skyhawk will be more than 125 feet in the > air and will reach speeds of 60 mph in both directions! The $6 > million ride will give nearly 800 rides an hour. Each ride will be > approximately two minutes long. (Guests must be at least 48 inches > tall to ride Skyhawk.) > > "Skyhawk will be the world's largest swing ride. It's a simple > concept, but it will be an amazing ride experience," Hildebrandt > said. "All of us have ridden swings as kids. Imagine riding a swing > that is higher than a 12-story building and goes faster than many > roller coasters." The world's largest swing ride? I feel bad for the CP marketing=20=20 department. They've finally run out of grown up rides to break=20=20 records on, and are moving into the children's domain... I can't wait=20=20 til next summer. "And announcing plans for the 2007 season, we will=20=20 buy up a big slice of Lake Michigan and put a slide into it. Yes,=20=20 thats right... you too can experience the world's largest puddle!" But seriously, 6 Million Dollars? Is that a typo, or includes other=20=20 costs? That seems kind of pricey. According to RCDB, Voyage at=20=20 Holiday World is costing $6.5 million. $500,000 difference between http://cedarpoint.com/public/inside_park/rides/thrill/skyhawk/images/=20 skyhawk.jpg and http://www.holidayworld.com/images/overall_lg.jpg That's insane. There's just no comparison. Mike ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 16:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14953 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 00:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 00:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 00:17:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 00:17:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 00:17:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:17:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=pGz4Ld1jzYg8QOxS3FCVKUayKmH2IOxQ8VVaQ_UnNBXmmgMerOAL X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani So, what you you guys put in your ideal moderate-sized park? Not a=20 huge park with a monster budget that hopes to compete on a national=20 scale, and not a small park that only attracts locals, but something=20 that attracts people from, say, a 2-hour drive away from a big city.=20 A place with room and budget for maybe 2 or 3 full-size coasters. What sort of rides? Other amenities? Design elements? I'd start with: A wooden roller coaster. A big, fast steel coaster--- look at what other nearby parks have,=20 and offer something unique. A smaller-scale steel coaster, preferably with some theming, like a=20 runaway mine train. Again, if nearby coasters feature Galaxis and=20 Wild Mouses, go with something else.=20 A carousel and a big Ferris wheel. A good log flume --- I consider this to be essential. Bumper cars. A sky ride --- one with two stations, not just a round trip. A good assortment of flats --- at least a few more moderate ones,=20 like a Tilt-a-Whirl or a Pirate Ship, and a couple of the more=20 extreme ones. Dark rides - one scary, one storybook? Some kind of water element--- a lake incorporated into the park,=20 preferably with some kind of boat ride. A big arcade. A funhouse or fort where kids can burn off steam. How about a restaurant with a model train setup that goes all around=20 the place? Topiary trees! What do you guys think? Adam From onhisown@comcast.net Mon Oct 31 16:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83566 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.198.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051101000955014001unjue>; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <05a401c5de78$583160c0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: <313E16D9-62F2-41A4-B8AA-CA45298C3565@donkeyentertainment.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:05:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.198.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=XulbSwTFv9VKOb3uMG_0Thm-mOZ8gOhBMAjyJgP7M8Ow4dbR-B4 X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Mike (ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com) wrote: > But seriously, 6 Million Dollars? Is that a typo, or includes other > costs? That seems kind of pricey. According to RCDB, Voyage at > Holiday World is costing $6.5 million. Yes it boggles my mind as well, especially since it's on the heels of Maxair, another ride that swings you high up into the air. Harder still to take is they're adding a slightly smaller version of Skyhawk at VF, a park arguably without a single thrilling coaster. The upshot is it makes it much easier to decide where I'll spend my scarce vacation dollars next year. My guess is that CP are sticking with a LRP whereby Dragster was supposed to be their premier new coaster for four consecutive seasons. Instead it continues to be a headache and disappointment for the park and patrons alike. If they ever get TTD running on for an entire season that really will finally equate to a new coaster. But for now they seem stuck with the original plan and apparently are hoping a few tweaks will fix the damage already done to their brand recognition of being the Roller Coaster Capital of the World. It's simply impossible for me to see anyone of any age being excited about their last two years of expansion. If Maxair didn't raise profits, why will Skyhawk? Mark From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Oct 31 17:20:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74672 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 01:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 01:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 01:20:41 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jA11Kebh030098 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:20:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200511010120.jA11Kebh030098@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:20:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXeffVwz9RqZjuKSN25pXcmut6dJQAAHyWw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <05a401c5de78$583160c0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=LuiHW84KGuu8laR5SP8FwKowkaWLRSSwdWjr9pEnEMeBkMU X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Mike (ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com) wrote: > > But seriously, 6 Million Dollars? Is that a typo, or > includes other > > costs? That seems kind of pricey. According to RCDB, Voyage at > > Holiday World is costing $6.5 million. > > Yes it boggles my mind as well, especially since it's on the > heels of Maxair, another ride that swings you high up into > the air. Harder still to take is they're adding a slightly > smaller version of Skyhawk at VF, a park arguably without a > single thrilling coaster. The upshot is it makes it much > easier to decide where I'll spend my scarce vacation dollars > next year. Even harder to fathom still, is Kennywood is installing the EXACT SAME ride. You know Kennywood isn't dropping $6 million on a flatride... --Greg From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Oct 31 18:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20662 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 02:30:52 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.df.1f9f2df4 (3866) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:30:47 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Long Time Theme Park Historian Passes Away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :I just found out that long time theme park historian, Steve Urbanowicz has : passed away. : He died of unknown causes Friday while out taking a walk. Steve was : well known : among the park industry, having served fromerly as Astroland at Coney Island's PR Director. : He also was a noted author, and wrote The Roller Coaster Lover's Companion, and The : Cheapskate's : Guide to Theme Parks. He had recently been featured in a not yet released National : Geographic Special featuring many parks and rides, including Paramount's Kings Island's The Beast. That special is scheduled to air next spring. This : will be the : tough one for me, as I was in the seat right behind him on this show as he : was doing : the narrations. It will be hard to watch that next spring. This news comes : as a shock, : as he was just a man in his 40's. He will surely be missed. : [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Oct 31 18:57:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12196 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 02:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 02:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 02:57:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.212.cfdf40d (15889) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e114366d974d0; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:56:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:53:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> Message-ID: <4366D89C.3070105@aol.com> References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Boy Scout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=t33MAuKrKEcOzhj3FxxBT8jYb0_aBtt1Eyc_DVevGBK_ETZ-BQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jon Zucker wrote on 10/31/2005, 8:36 AM: > > > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, ... > > > ... has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before > > > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. > > > > I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the > > extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old. > > Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here. > > > Yes, I noticed that too. It's takes a lot of work, and time, to earn > the "Eagle" rank. I just assumed that either > > A) it's a typo, or > B) this kid is some kind of manic, hyperfocused overachiever. > > Jon "troop 122" Z Not at all. I think you can make Eagle in a minimum of something like 15 months, I forget exactly, I'd have to pull out my old handbook. Many have made it to Eagle that quickly, one that comes to mind right away is Ross Parot. Regrettably, I only made it to Life before other things occupied my time. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 00:22:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41102 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 08:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 08:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 08:22:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bm.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 08:22:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 08:22:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:22:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.127.151 From: "Chris" Subject: OT: Going lurking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=dydyj6qkxpghh0Kqjm714hjIs0nrCPg9Czcx-qzMUJy4UTbj5A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 In spite of Boy Scouts and sarcasm, I have to go into lurker mode for a while.=20 The navy says that "web based email constitutes a threat to Navy and Marine Corps security, and immediately all access to MSN, Yahoo and other web based e-mail will be denied through Navy and Marine Corps servers." The way they have it set up, I can't log in every 24 hours like Yahoo insists, so my cookies allow me to look at posts as long as I don't sign out of Yahoo, but I can't make any posts or replies. So until mid-Decemberish, I'll be looking but not answering.=20 When I return I hope to post the TR's for the following parks: Escape Park, Pasir Ris, Singapore Genting Highlands and One World Plaza, Genting, Malaysia Berjaya Times Square and Starlight Express, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia maybe Sunway Lagoon, Malaysia Followed by trips to Guam, the new Half Pipe in Tokyo, and a scouting trip to Fuji-Q to find out just what they are up to.=20 Until then,=20 TTFN! Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 05:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17395 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 13:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 13:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 13:25:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19615 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 13:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20051101132456.19613.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:24:55 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:24:55 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200511010120.jA11Kebh030098@atlas.jtan.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: RE: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=NWIZjkmZHIsU_erbpiLP91faH3cWEoa7Nrp91aA0Lzqt7N0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Harder still to take is they're adding a > slightly > > smaller version of Skyhawk at VF, a park arguably > without a > > single thrilling coaster. They are adding the same ride at CP and Valleyfair! $6 million is probably the capex budget (ride, landscaping, marketing, and probably even some other new-for-06 items) not, the ride cost. Just like CP didn't pay Intamin $25 million for TTD (http://www.rcdb.com/document82.htm). > Even harder to fathom still, is Kennywood is > installing the EXACT SAME ride. > You know Kennywood isn't dropping $6 million on a > flatride... Compounce and Kennywood are installing 32-seat, 65-foot versions. CP and Valleyfair! are installing 40-seat, 100-foot versions. Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 01 05:47:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89237 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 13:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 13:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 13:47:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 13:47:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 13:47:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:47:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: PR: Cedar Fair's results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=gtJcpglCEo2KQSec3mvKHX62sWj7PGjFa8Oss5KVs95ATvTYd2c X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Cedar Fair, L.P. reports 2005 third quarter results Monday, October 31, 2005 1:27:45 PM Cedar Fair, L.P. Press Release=20 Finalizes 2006 Capital Expenditure Budget=20 SANDUSKY, OHIO, October 31, 2005 -- Cedar Fair, L.P. (NYSE: FUN), a=20 publicly traded partnership which owns and operates seven amusement=20 parks and five water parks, today announced results for the third=20 quarter of 2005.=20 Net revenues for the quarter ended September 25, 2005, increased 4%=20 to $317.0 million from $305.6 million in 2004, on a 2% increase in=20 average in-park guest per capita spending and a 1% increase, or=20 approximately 61,000 visits, in combined attendance. Over this same=20 period, out-of-park revenues, including resort hotels, increased 10%,=20 or $4.2 million, between years.=20 Dick Kinzel, chairman, president and chief executive officer,=20 explained that the increase in revenues for the period was led in=20 part by the strong performances of Dorney Park and Michigan's=20 Adventure, both of which introduced great new attractions this=20 season, and the Partnership's two Midwest water parks, which=20 benefited from a hot, dry summer. In addition, results at Geauga Lake=20 continued to improve as the park's new water park area grew in=20 popularity as the season went on. "We are very pleased with the=20 performances of each of these parks and the guest response to the new=20 rides and attractions we added," said Kinzel. "The positive results=20 of these parks, combined with the strong performance of Castaway Bay,=20 helped to offset attendance shortfalls at our other seasonal=20 amusement parks in the quarter."=20 Total operating costs and expenses for the quarter, excluding=20 depreciation and other non-cash charges, decreased 1% to $152.7=20 million from $154.9 million in 2004, due to a continued focus on=20 controlling costs and improving operating efficiencies. After=20 depreciation and a small non-cash charge for unit options, operating=20 income for the period increased 9% to $136.2 million from $125.2=20 million a year ago.=20 Included in the 2004 third quarter net income is a non-cash credit of=20 $1.2 million to account for the change in fair value of two interest=20 rate swap agreements that expired during the first quarter of 2005.=20 After non-cash credits, interest expense and provision for taxes, net=20 income for the quarter totaled $170.8 million, or $3.11 per diluted=20 limited partner unit, compared to net income of $91.7 million, or=20 $1.70 per unit, a year ago.=20 Reflected in the third quarter numbers is the reversal of $66.1=20 million of contingent liabilities recorded in prior periods related=20 to publicly traded partnership (PTP) taxes. Management determined=20 that the Partnership's accrual for PTP taxes was no longer required=20 based on the accumulation of relevant evidence since the adoption of=20 the PTP tax in 1998. The adjustment to the PTP tax accrual resulted=20 in a net credit for taxes of $41.1 million in the period. Had the=20 adjustment not been made, net income for the third quarter would have=20 been $99.3 million, or $1.81 per diluted limited partner unit.=20 The Partnership filed a Form 8-K earlier this year to restate its=20 provision for taxes in the interim periods of 2004 in order to=20 properly account for the tax attributes of its corporate=20 subsidiaries. For the third quarter of 2004, a tax provision of $17.2=20 million was recorded, compared to a tax provision of $19.7 million in=20 the third quarter of 2005, which had the impact of decreasing net=20 income for last year's third quarter from $108.9 million to $91.7=20 million.=20 "Although we had higher attendance expectations for 2005 than we=20 achieved, we are pleased with our overall third-quarter results,=20 particularly given the weak economy in the Midwest," said=20 Kinzel. "Our managers have done a good job in controlling costs at=20 each of the parks during the period to mitigate some attendance=20 shortfalls. For the quarter, combined revenues at our seven amusement=20 parks were up 2% on a 3% increase in average in-park guest per capita=20 spending and a small decrease in combined attendance. At our five=20 separately gated water parks, revenues in the third quarter were up=20 10% between years on an 8% increase in combined attendance and a 2%=20 increase in average in-park guest per capita spending."=20 Commenting on results through the first nine months of the year,=20 Kinzel said, "The new rides and attractions we added for 2005=20 combined with effective operations and marketing programs to generate=20 strong guest satisfaction and steady results at most of our parks.=20 Through the end of September, consolidated net revenues were up 4%=20 from last year on a 3% increase in average in-park guest per capita=20 spending, a 14% increase in out-of-park revenues and a 1% decrease in=20 combined attendance."=20 Kinzel added that management believes that a very meaningful measure=20 of the Partnership's park-level operating results is adjusted EBITDA,=20 which represents earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and=20 all other non-cash charges. For the third quarter, adjusted EBITDA=20 increased $13.6 million, or 9%, to $164.3 million, due primarily to=20 improved operating results at Dorney Park, Geauga Lake and Knott's=20 Berry Farm.=20 "In October, operating results benefited from above average weather=20 and the continued appeal of our fall promotions," continued=20 Kinzel. "For the month, combined attendance was up 10%, or 100,000=20 visits, over last year, all but erasing shortfalls through September.=20 Over the same period, average in-park guest per capita spending was=20 up 5% and out-of-park revenues were up more than 20%, or=20 approximately $1.0 million. As a result, we believe we will finish=20 the year at the high end of our most recent guidance of $555-565=20 million in full-year net revenues and $173-180 million of full-year=20 adjusted EBITDA."=20 Kinzel noted that virtually all of Cedar Fair's revenues from its=20 seasonal amusement parks, water parks, and other seasonal resort=20 facilities are realized during a four-month operating period=20 beginning in early May, with the major portion concentrated in the=20 peak vacation months of July and August. Castaway Bay and Knott's=20 Berry Farm are the Partnership's only year-round properties, but=20 Knott's Berry Farm operates at its highest level of attendance during=20 the third quarter of the year as well.=20 The Partnership also reported that its capital expenditure program=20 for the 2006 season will total $58 million and will be highlighted by=20 the addition of a new world-class roller coaster at Worlds of Fun,=20 and a major new thrill ride at both Cedar Point and Valleyfair. "We=20 are very excited about our 2006 capital expenditure program," said=20 Kinzel. "These new rides, along with investments at our other parks,=20 such as Michigan's Adventure's first sit-down restaurant, will allow=20 us to continue to build on our reputation of providing the finest=20 thrill rides, family attractions, and guest satisfaction and value=20 the amusement industry has to offer."=20 Cedar Fair's seven amusement parks are Cedar Point, located on Lake=20 Erie between Cleveland and Toledo; Knott's Berry Farm near Los=20 Angeles in Buena Park, California; Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom=20 near Allentown, Pennsylvania; Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near=20 Cleveland, Ohio; Valleyfair near Minneapolis/St. Paul; Worlds of Fun,=20 located in Kansas City, Missouri; and Michigan's Adventure near=20 Muskegon, Michigan. The Partnership's water parks are located near=20 San Diego and in Palm Springs, California, and adjacent to Cedar=20 Point, Knott's Berry Farm and Worlds of Fun. Cedar Fair also owns and=20 operates the Castaway Bay Indoor Waterpark Resort in Sandusky, Ohio.=20 The Partnership will host a conference call with analysts at 11:00=20 a.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, November 1, 2005, which will be web=20 cast live in "listen only" mode via the Cedar Fair web site=20 (www.cedarfair.com). It will be available for replay starting at=20 approximately 1:00 p.m. ET, Tuesday, November 1, 2005, until 11:59=20 p.m. ET, Tuesday, November 15, 2005. In order to access the replay of=20 the earnings call, please dial 877-519-4471 followed by the access=20 code #6636215.=20 Some of the statements contained in this news release constitute=20 forward-looking statements. These statements may involve risks and=20 uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially=20 from those described in such statements. Although the Partnership=20 believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking=20 statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such=20 expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors,=20 including general economic conditions, competition for consumer's=20 leisure time and spending, adverse weather conditions, unanticipated=20 construction delays, the absence of historical operating experience=20 for Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom, and other factors could affect=20 attendance and per capita spending at our parks and cause actual=20 results to differ materially from the Partnership's expectations.=20 From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 01 06:01:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22345 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:01:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:00:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:00:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511010120.jA11Kebh030098@atlas.jtan.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=1oBgxmtYnmEx5xu-MDAyMdsM0EbMNb4TWyj84z9HOIrNv8css80 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I am a fan of CP, but I have to recognize that I am not fully=20 enthusiast regarding this new swing ride, which looks too similar to=20 maXair. Also I am not sure that his design will fit appropriately with=20 the theme of Frontiertown area. Moreover, it is surprising to see that=20 it will not be built where White Water Landing was. Now, according to=20 some rumors, it is because a new roller coaster would be build at this=20 place in 2007 that CP has decided to remove this flume ride. I hope=20 that another one is going to be built in the park: WWL was not the=20 first flume ride at CP, it should not be the last. However, I think that we should analyse this addition in a long-term=20 perspective. CP is the capital of roller coasters. The park also=20 presents several rides for family and children. However, there are not=20 many thrill rides (other than roller coasters). MaXair was an addition=20 to Power Tower, Skyhawk will be another. Moreover, it will be the only=20 thrill ride in Frontiertown area. I would like to learn that the 6M$ plan also includes other additions.=20=20 A sit-down restaurant in Frontiertown would be an interesting addition. Fred From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Nov 01 06:27:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52806 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.118) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:27:32 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005110113343601500be93re>; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:34:36 +0000 Message-ID: <061101c5dee8$bdebe6e0$28e57618@tdseagan.lmco.com> To: References: <20051101132456.19613.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:32:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=vY8qzp03RFEy6egQq-B_KDF3gB-ePmrYxGvswGb0FwKktuRFp4k X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > They are adding the same ride at CP and Valleyfair! I assumed VF's was smaller based on CP's PR: ""Skyhawk will be the world's largest swing ride. It's a simple concept, but it will be an amazing ride experience," Hildebrandt said." Either way it doesn't matter to me! :) Mark From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 06:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33053 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:30:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:30:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:30:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: OT: Going lurking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5ZQ-9_9PnTvVH8hAcPYAHmoqq_NSZnliM01lX2NDS-U9Uj0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > In spite of Boy Scouts and sarcasm, I have to go into lurker mode for > a while.=20 > The navy says that "web based email constitutes a threat to Navy and > Marine Corps security, and immediately all access to MSN, Yahoo and > other web based e-mail will be denied through Navy and Marine Corps > servers." Chris, Happy lurking! Be safe, and we'll "hear" from you soon. We're holding you to your promise about the TR's. -Alan From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Nov 01 06:33:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55162 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:33:41 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jA1EWObh018143 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:32:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200511011432.jA1EWObh018143@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:32:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXe58CZamtM9EbJRgmjWYb8cDuh+QACTxlA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <20051101132456.19613.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=SJmPAFIg62swww9xvCepHWlTZAk8hf4HzwLx5pqjMAuShaY X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Compounce and Kennywood are installing 32-seat, > 65-foot versions. CP and Valleyfair! are installing > 40-seat, 100-foot versions. Thanks for that clarification, Adam. I thought they were getting the same model. Still, $6 million? Yikes... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 06:43:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5613 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:43:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:41:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:41:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: PR: Cedar Point 2006 - New S&S thrill ride; cheaper admission and food items X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lMIfUk2IKpZoMqcr3X76oJBInvkYNc8OD34cJoJpQkXoG5s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred"=20 wrote: > > CEDAR POINT ANNOUNCES 2006 DAILY ADMISSION PRICES; NEW RIDE TO SWING=20 > INTO FRONTIERTOWN IN 2006 Well, I just saw the video, and I think it's going to be a blast. It would be nice if they would concider making it fit into it's=20 location a little better (Red, Blue & Yellow?). -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 06:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33499 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 14:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:51:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:49:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:49:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 14:49:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:49:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Making dollars and cents out of park's closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X2e-P8muTd2zFiDmhlbPPZVi_EFryZiiQM0MxCYJERH3e04 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 01, 2005 The Lufkin Daily News http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/11/01/20 051101LDNfyi.html Q: Why did they close Astroworld? A: For the same reason other business ventures close =96 the bottom=20 line. The Six Flags Corp., which is based in Oklahoma, has a=20 significant amount of debt, so it made sense =96 make that dollars and=20 cents =96 to find a piece of the corporation to downsize. And=20 Astroworld was it. Its gates closed permanently after Sunday's=20 business day. Kieran Burke, CEO of 6F, said the Houston theme park's site has huge=20 potential for economic development. A spokesman for the real estate=20 marketing firm handling the Astroworld transaction said it could=20 bring anywhere from $95-$142 million, depending on the buyer. Property values in the Astroworld neighborhood have doubled over the=20 past 5 years with the addition of a light rail line that runs from=20 Reliant Stadium and the old Astrodome area through the Texas Medical=20 Center and on to downtown Houston. The theme park opened in 1968 as a brainchild of Judge Roy Hofheinz,=20 the same man who built the Astrodome for the city's major league=20 baseball team a few years earlier. It was bought later by 6F, which=20 operates numerous theme parks across the U.S. Even though many rides and attractions were added after the park was=20 built, one of the original rides =96 the Alpine Carousel =96 remained an=20 Astroworld fixture from start to finish. Built in 1985 and in=20 continuous operation since 1907 =96 it was moved to Houston from a=20 previous location =96 the carousel had colorful animals ranging from=20 cats to ostriches as its individual seats. Some of the more popular roller coasters in Texas hailed from=20 Astroworld, including the wooden Texas Cyclone, the Greezed Lightnin'=20 with its loop-the-loop, and the Ultra Twister, which incorporated a=20 135-degree drop and barrel rolls from the movie "Top Gun" into 90=20 seconds of terror =96 or fun, whichever way you felt about it. It was also one of the first amusement parks to pump air conditioning=20 into the great outdoors. Those standing in long lines for rides could=20 take comfort in strategically placed air vents that would cool you=20 down as you inched your way to the loading area. ----------- Copyright Cox Newspapers, L.P. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 07:01:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34855 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:01:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 15:01:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 15:01:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:01:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: SheiKra strands riders for second time in a month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=__ee6jQnioVHVP-VujRXhY9BPyN8ctGirRot9stFCyqid9o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 1, 2005 St. Petersburg Times http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/01/Hillsborough/SheiKra_strands_rider.s html By BRADY DENNIS TAMPA,FL -- Twice in the past month, workers at Busch Gardens have=20 had to evacuate riders from SheiKra, the park's newest thrill ride=20 and the tallest roller coaster in Florida. But Monday, a day after the most recent evacuation, park officials=20 said they aren't worried that the glitches might scare away patrons.=20 Quite the opposite. "Frankly, our feeling is that our guests should=20 have great confidence that our safety standards work," said BG's=20 spokesman Gerard Hoeppner. "We understand it's an inconvenience, but=20 we're not going to compromise safety." 24 riders were stranded temporarily on the roller coaster early=20 Sunday afternoon when the automated safety system determined that an=20 oil pump was not functioning properly. Riders were evacuated in about=20 an hour, and the coaster resumed operation within 2 hours. On Oct. 15, SheiKra stopped when an error was detected in its air=20 compressor, stranding riders at the highest point. They were=20 evacuated by a rescue trolley, and the ride reopened shortly after. No one was injured in either incident. SheiKra opened in May as the first "diving" roller coaster in North=20 America. It reaches top speeds of 70 mph, features a 138' dive into a=20 tunnel and creates a maximum G-force equal to 4 times the pull of=20 gravity. Like every other roller coaster at BG, SheiKra has a team of=20 employees dedicated solely to its inspection and upkeep, as well as a=20 sophisticated computer system that constantly monitors sensors along=20 the ride. And like the other coasters, it shuts down when the computers notice=20 a problem. "The coaster's doing what it's designed to do,"=20 spokeswoman Robyn Hanke said. "If a bird lands on track, the sensor's=20 going to go off." Amusement parks that employ more than 1,000 people are exempt from=20 having their rides subjected to state inspectors. Statutes require=20 only that they report any injuries on rides, provide affidavits that=20 each ride complies with state requirements and consult annually with=20 state officials. "They have a thorough, complete maintenance and safety program. I can=20 say that from personal observation," said Rob Jacobs, chief of the=20 state Bureau of Fair Rides Inspection. "Millions of people go through=20 their parks every year, so there's a lot invested in safety." That's a point that BG officials made again & again Monday, just as=20 Dan Brown, the park's executive VP and GM, did in an interview with=20 the Times in August. "Tens of millions of people have ridden thrill=20 rides and the industry's track record continues to be very good.=20 Theme parks remain one of the safest forms of all entertainment," he=20 said. "I cannot speak for other parks. But we do not walk a tightrope=20 between safety and letting our guests put themselves at risk. "Safety is first here, bar none." ---------- =A9 2005 =95 St. Petersburg Times From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 01 07:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16162 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 15:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:25:28 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jA1FPMJX030281 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:24 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:23 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 15:25:22.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[79E4F170:01C5DEF8] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Making dollars and cents out of park's closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wU_TtloL1svg4XW28JYdBZ_0E-0PudQhSekAHRC5U1SYWq_1 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > the Alpine Carousel [...] Built in 1985 and in continuous operation > since 1907 > Woah .. A time-traveling Carousel! Actually, I'm sad the park has closed :-( Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 01 07:25:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99352 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jA1FPX68030296 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:33 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:34 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 15:25:33.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FF75B20:01C5DEF8] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SheiKra strands riders for second time in a month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=T7Zg8KUVTgNqBrA_8xuibTXPgIowaBkYoM8nuRnoS0Ppi9fn X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > 24 riders were stranded temporarily on the roller coaster early > Sunday afternoon when the automated safety system determined that an > oil pump was not functioning properly. Riders were evacuated in about > an hour, and the coaster resumed operation within 2 hours. > > On Oct. 15, SheiKra stopped when an error was detected in its air > compressor, stranding riders at the highest point. They were > evacuated by a rescue trolley, and the ride reopened shortly after. > Wow .. I'm impressed that this article didn't blow the whole thing out of proportion. In fact, they actually went out of their way to point out that it's a safety feature! I'm sad that I won't be able to ride Sheikra in the foreseeable future :-( Cameron ps: Is "foreseeable" spelled correctly? It looks so wrong.. -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 08:41:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35342 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 16:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 16:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 16:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19733 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 16:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20051101164113.19731.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:41:12 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:41:12 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001201c5de30$472f5d10$354cb0d8@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up with IOA Central?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=lMXcR26MUz_xxGdlkIx5zHoOlVBSJatxxsThYXx720VVbTr7 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) > who went coasterless in '05. :-( You know... that > whole wedding thing. A wedding should not render you coasterless! lata, jeremy --who still managed a grand total of *FOUR* coasters despite a wedding (where's a rolleyes smiley when you need it =P) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 01 09:34:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17218 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 17:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 17:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 17:34:27 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jA1HYOjX004171 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:24 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:24 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23478725-61D1-4BF2-9311-B29B3C55FBE6@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:23 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 17:34:24.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[80387DA0:01C5DF0A] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: TR: Six Flags Great America: Closing Weekend - Now I'm Sad :-( X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4DBt2rM1zYiViNwr6yJJHGtj6r0WFpWG5jxTsySHtliyHOvf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Actually going so far as to say "sad" is probably doing a great disservice to two fun trips I had to the park this weekend, and the totally wonderful people I was there with. However, closing weekend is always a little depressing .. sure there are other parks around the country that I could visit, but it's not the same as when your home park closes for .. ugh .. six, long, cold, dark, months. This was a really great season at Six Flags Great America, I don't think I had a single visit that was anything less than great. Whether the park was packed, or a ghost-town, it never failed to put on a really good show. The rides all ran well (aside from the two stupid ones: V2 and Deja Vu), the staff was efficient, and the park just looked and felt a whole lot better than any season since I was first there in 1998. Even with no new additions, I'm already looking forward to 2006. On Sunday I was there from opening with Beth, Matt and Mike. It was a glorious, sunny day, and fun was had by all. I had to leave at about 2:30 and the park was pretty crowded by the afternoon, but we still managed to hit Superman, V2, Iron Wolf, Bull, Demon and Viper. At that point I wasn't sure if I'd be able to return on Monday night (work), so I was glad to have Viper as my last ride of the season (it's my favorite ride in the park). However I did return on Monday night for just 2 hours, with my friends Mike and Stacey. In that time we managed to hit V2, Eagle (twice), Demon (twice), Bull (twice) and Viper (5 times(!!)). Yes, crowds were low; although there was still a lot more people there than I was expecting. It was cold, dark, and raining .. perfect conditions for Fright Fest, and I'd say it was probably the best Fright Fest night I've had there; it was more like an elitist party than an evening at an Amusement park. Some of the highlights of the weekend included taking Matt on the back seat of Superman for the first time. Previously he'd only ridden in the front, and seemed surprised by the difference and added intensity. While I feel that Superman is one of the weakest rides at the park, I still enjoy a ride on it from time to time. I mean, it's really not a *bad* ride, there's just nothing much there to make it stand out. The crowd loves it, though .. so in that respect it's a winner. Beth was kind enough to ride Iron Wolf with us .. Despite the roughness, I just love the intensity that this thing delivers. Besides, it gave quite a nice ride on Sunday (hopefully Beth won't disagree with me TOO much on that one!). The popularity of Iron Wolf seems to be falling at a staggering rate though, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the next coaster to leave the park. Sadness.. Demon was all dressed up for Fright Fest, and it looked terrific! Even better after dark on Monday night! The fog and lighting really captured the fun and "spookyness" of the ride. How great it would be for the park to leave some of that theming in tact during the regular season too. The sign at the entrance was back-lit with bright orange and red lights, and a smoke machine for added effect. Man, it looked *great*. I was really bummed that I didn't have my camera. While waiting for V2 on Monday night, there were some kids behind me .. several hadn't ridden before and were pretty nervous. I could see their anticipation rise as we got closer to boarding, which is one of the things I like best about V2. I'm sure they loved the ride, even though I rode before they did so I didn't see their reaction. Batman was down all weekend, which I'm sure the Intamin fans will love "A B&M ride goes down after only 13 years of service - that's just disgusting! They should have bought an Intamin!". Looked to us on Sunday like something lift-hill related. We watched a train crawl up the lift (really crawl), and it was tough not to picture some poor guy in an exercise-bike peddling away like crazy! The fact that they were even cycling trains (or trying to) makes me think that an effort was being made to get the ride running again before the end of the weekend/season, something that I find quite impressive. Either that, or they're getting ready to dismantle it for Greezed Lightnin' from Astroworld! :-) Eagle, on Monday night, was approaching insanity. Not only was the "out" run providing serious air, but the "back" run too - a real rarity, and quite a treat. There were several hills on the back run that easily matched the last hill on Viper. I think it's safe to say that the rain played a big part in this. Oh and the brakes, which barely kissed the train until the final helix (almost dead stop - sadness). Like Eagle, Viper gave the best rides I had all season. Even though it still wasn't quite up there with last year, Monday night was close (the rain helped a lot, but it was still dragging through the turns). Such a cute little ride, and I finished the season with five rides in a row - all in my favorite seat. Well, I think that's it. Cameron. ps: Anyone interested in geek photos I took earlier this season: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/great_america_2005/ -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 01 10:49:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77392 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 18:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 18:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 18:49:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:47:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Outside vs In-Park Revenues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=5KSvdjjqdN371RxE-zHjtiasH_uONaSMblo2RQ0vJEz53_6-crw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Cedar Fair Fares Well Thinking outside the park pays off for the regional amusement park=20 operator. By Rick Munarriz Updated: 9:52 a.m. ET Nov. 1, 2005 (FROM: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9883962/) Investors are often told to think outside of the box. For regional=20 amusement park operator Cedar Fair(NYSE: FUN), the more appropriate=20 mantra seems to be to think outside the park. The company completed a=20 respectable third quarter, coupling a 1% uptick in attendance with a=20 2% hike in per-capita guest spending. However, the real reason for=20 the company's 4% top-line growth was a 10% spike in revenues beyond=20 its gated thrill parks.=20 It seems that Cedar Fair's development of its adjacent resort=20 properties is paying off. The company's flagship Cedar Point park=20 always seems to be adding capacity to its peninsular lodging=20 facilities. It also transformed a hotel property just outside the=20 park's causeway entrance into Castaway Bay, an indoor waterpark=20 resort.=20 Cedar Fair isn't the only one taking to the combination of upscale=20 lodging and massive indoor water play areas. Six Flags(NYSE: PKS) is=20 building an indoor waterpark hotel in upstate New York, and Viacom (NYSE: VIA) has teamed up with Great Wolf Resorts(Nasdaq: WOLF) to=20 build a gargantuan complex by Viacom's Kings Island amusement park in=20 Ohio.=20 The amusement park industry has also benefited from the popularity of=20 Halloween-themed events, which extending their operating calendar=20 deeper into the typically moribund autumn season. Though Cedar Fair's=20 third quarter ended in September, the company announced that October=20 found attendance climbing 10% higher, with out-of-park revenues=20 soaring 20% higher.=20 Halloween will save Cedar Fair this year; through the first nine=20 months of the year, attendance was off by 1%. Other favorable factors=20 have helped offset the slower turnstile clicks, but a strong October=20 may have been the tonic to at least get Cedar Fair's attendance even=20 with last year's. Either way, it will be an improvement over last=20 year's 3% drop in attendance (excluding the acquisition of Geauga=20 Lake in Ohio).=20 The company now expects to close out 2005 at the high end of its most=20 recent guidance. Those projections called for net revenues between=20 $555 million and $565 million for all of 2005, with adjusted EBITDA=20 coming in closer to $180 million. The sums will improve nicely on the=20 $542 million and $173 million, respectively, that the company=20 generated last year.=20 That will give the company the fiscal leeway to inch its=20 distributions higher. Yes, Cedar Fair is set up as a limited=20 partnership where investors buy units -- not shares. It's why the=20 units yield a whopping 6.9%. The company's consistency also earned it=20 a recommendation in Mathew Emmert's Motley Fool Income Investor=20 newsletter earlier this year. (You can take advantage of a free 30- day trial subscription if you want to read the full buy report).=20 The key here will be the company's Cedar Point park. Attendance at=20 Cedar Fair's original and most recognized park has been falling for a=20 couple of years now. Oddly enough, Cedar Fair isn't investing in a=20 new world-class coaster for the 2006 season, so the necessary media=20 buzz won't be there next year. Perhaps that's why the company is=20 taking to the drastic measure of reducing ticket prices next year --=20 its first such move in 35 years. Conveying value throughout the park,=20 Cedar Point will be reducing some of the food prices as well, as=20 selling cotton candy on the midway for a mere quarter per stick.=20 Let's hope they're beefing up the maintenance staff to wipe down the=20 sticky attractions.=20 It may seem like a humbling move, but it's what Cedar Fair's home=20 park needs to do to win back the locals. With Six Flags Great=20 Adventure adding more top-shelf thrill rides than Cedar Point, Cedar=20 Fair appears to be repositioning its flagship park as a traditional=20 community destination. It's hoping that superior value will help get=20 its turnstiles clicking faster for the first time since 2002. Most=20 parkgoers are there on some form of discount, so the lower ticket=20 prices won't necessarily sting the top line. If Cedar Fair can inch=20 attendance higher while lengthening guests' stays, it could well=20 enjoy some addition through subtraction.=20 You must be this tall to read further Foolishness:=20 Steel was the big deal, but for roller coasters, now wood is good.=20 The demise of AstroWorld signals Six Flags' impending buyout.=20 Cedar Fair yielded to coasters back in June.=20 The Motley Fool has kicked off its ninth annual Foolanthropy=20 campaign! Nominate your favorite charities on our Foolanthropy=20 discussion board through Nov. 6. For guidelines on what makes a=20 charity Foolish, visit www.foolanthropy.com .=20 Longtime Fool contributor Rick Munarriz loves to take his family to=20 visit new and old amusement parks over the summer. He owns shares in=20 Great Wolf and units in Cedar Fair. The Fool has a disclosure policy.=20 He is also part of the Rule Breakersnewsletter research team, seeking=20 out tomorrow's ultimate growth stocks a day early. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 01 11:15:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38287 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 19:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 19:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 19:15:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 19:11:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2005 19:11:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:11:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: QUES: What is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=VGeB0LbUu817d7jF1L1oe_RpjKPO7Vge4oIjqqI2DsDtupIyXMM X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Last week, Montreal-based La Ronde park announced the addition of=20 Goliath, presented as the Canadian tallest and fastest roller coaster.=20=20 Goliath will get people up to 174 feets from the ground of Sainte- Helene Island. However, according to RCDB, the highest point of Marineland's Dragon=20 Mountain is at 186'. Where is the mistake? I never rode Dragon Mountain but the pictures of it available on RCDB=20 give the impression that this roller coaster is not as high as 186'.=20=20 One hypothesis would be that it is built on a mountain and that 186' is=20 the distance between the highest and the lowest points of the ride,=20 without moving people at 186' feets from the ground at any point. http://www.rcdb.com/id185.htm Does someone can answer to my question? Fred From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:24:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92577 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:24:08 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4Xz-0004MX-RK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4367EB05.6030204@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:24:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aecbfeb6a3f16825422ddb67560ff712543350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Going lurking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=YtelRHnmoXP_gV2Ae_gXDOJSWqPP0YdmQChZdbKrPwW6lBg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > In spite of Boy Scouts and sarcasm, I have to go into lurker mode for > a while. > The navy says that "web based email constitutes a threat to Navy and > Marine Corps security, and immediately all access to MSN, Yahoo and > other web based e-mail will be denied through Navy and Marine Corps > servers." Hate to lose you Chris, even if it is only temporary. There is an option, depending on if you're using your own computer or a community computer. If you've got your own computer, then Yahoo does have an option where for $20/ year, you can turn it into a POP3 account, where you can use Outlook, Eudora, Thunderbird, or other email program to download and send email. You can find out more about that here: http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com/ But I can also save you some money. If you have a computer available to put an email program on (and I highly recommend Thunderbird for that), then I've got a few spare Earthlink email addresses on my account I'm not using. I'll be happy to let you have one if you'd like. Just let me know if that's an option for you. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:26:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40991 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:26:46 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4ab-0007ZQ-Vk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <4367EBA7.4030005@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:26:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec0d5a063a2bd0c70811e9ded956853f92350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Making dollars and cents out of park's closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=pw7c2lyqtWpW5YfQXLmhqs6tIPm7jnkMfLN51FZDPEbK_7s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > the Alpine Carousel [...] Built in 1985 and in continuous operation > > since 1907 > > > > Woah .. A time-traveling Carousel! > > Actually, I'm sad the park has closed :-( > So am I. After really enjoying the park a couple of weeks ago, it's going to be a hard loss. I don't think that Six Flags put anywhere near what they should have into it, and let a lot of it slide that they shouldn't have. But I think the city and stadium authority sure helped to kill it to. I think they're just now starting to realize what they may have lost. But I'm confident that the carousel will find another home somewhere that doesn't have one already. It is a beautiful machine, even if it was in one of the ugliest carousel houses I've ever seen (essentially a concrete dome) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:30:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1272 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:30:39 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4eD-0002Hl-3x for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:30:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4367EC87.8070804@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:30:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aecc66bf1a53a488c8301a80d0bbd82525c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SheiKra strands riders for second time in a month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3Md5wMZibFxSZDqodixW9kmnNtfmuiwW2AccGRNEU6xSDpI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > Wow .. I'm impressed that this article didn't blow the whole thing > out of proportion. In fact, they actually went out of their way to > point out that it's a safety feature! Well, yes and no. After all, how often do you see news reports every time a ride has stopped and has to be evac'd. Heck, if they held Rhino Rally to the same "news" standard, then you'd be hearing about them evacuating the water portion at least every other week! I just don't get why a ride stopping and being evacuated- especially when it's a "safety feature" is such repeatable news. But I guess that's just me. > > I'm sad that I won't be able to ride Sheikra in the foreseeable > future :-( Well, all you have to do is manage to get down to Tampa and I can help you take care of the rest- especially if you're willing to work around my schedule a bit. :P Hehe > > Cameron > > ps: Is "foreseeable" spelled correctly? It looks so wrong.. Guess so. My spell check wasn't bothered by it, but it does look like it has too many "e's" in it, doesn't it? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60569 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:34:01 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4hc-0005oI-N7 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4367ED5A.1090304@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:34:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20051101164113.19731.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051101164113.19731.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aecd78f2ba5e94ef66a5e58bd7e48f9d0f8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up with IOA Central?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3plnpzz_JF5xBpJ155HUZg7BndMSNN0LIycS3livi9u8ym0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jeremy Norris wrote: > --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > > Jon Z > > (Zerkel, not Zucker) > > who went coasterless in '05. :-( You know... that > > whole wedding thing. > > A wedding should not render you coasterless! > lata, jeremy > --who still managed a grand total of *FOUR* coasters > despite a wedding (where's a rolleyes smiley when you > need it =P) Not to mention kicking more tails than I'd like to admit in fantasy football. :) But don't feel bad Jon. We honeymooned in San Diego, and while we visited the zoo and wild animal park, those were the only "parks" that we did on that visit. In any case, another congrats to both of you. So now, when are the couples coming down to Florida for vacation? :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13393 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:47:14 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4uP-000123-Og for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:47:14 -0500 Message-ID: <4367F073.1020405@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:47:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aecf0320bcfd6c25948111c1174834766ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Outside vs In-Park Revenues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=hGE9M5wywmj2mjMAYfYHGODsOhtAo4IadAWv-rXL63VcLI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash bastienfred wrote: > Investors are often told to think outside of the box. For regional > amusement park operator Cedar Fair(NYSE: FUN), the more appropriate > mantra seems to be to think outside the park. The company completed a > respectable third quarter, coupling a 1% uptick in attendance with a > 2% hike in per-capita guest spending. However, the real reason for > the company's 4% top-line growth was a 10% spike in revenues beyond > its gated thrill parks. And in many ways, that's what helped them to have a good year financially, at least from what I've read. Their hotels and resort properties are quickly turning into a major area of growth for them. I'm just waiting for Six Flags, Paramount, and the others to really catch on (though it does look like Six Flags is starting to) Universal and Disney have been doing this for years now, and very successfully. Just seems that it's taken a long time for the others to start to try the same thing. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:52:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17037 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:52:08 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX4yV-0001cR-DH for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:51:28 -0500 Message-ID: <4367F171.9020507@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:51:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec3080153f73b26fcafa28775b88914bb8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: 2005 Internet Wood Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=sgJONyixOj-fEZDb8R5af9SUo3wehg_cqF34y8ady-_ez90 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's that time of year again, and I strongly encourage everyone to vote in the poll that can. Mitch has moved the poll to it's own website this year, away from the "freebie" site that he's had in the past. You can find the ballot there. Read on for more info! Oh, and be sure to let him know that you saw it on the list! Hello, The ballot for the 2005 Internet Wood Coaster Poll will be sent via e-mail as a courtesy to all those who voted in the 2004 Poll. To ensure that there are no bandwidth outages during this year's polls, a new website has been created. Please see the not-so-humbly named http://BestRollerCoasterPoll.com site for past years results, completed ballots, referrer links and more. The 2005 Internet Wood Coaster Poll is now underway. Ballots will be accepted through November 30 and final results will be available soon thereafter. You can help ensure the most accurate results possible for this year's poll by taking the poll yourself and encouraging as many others as possible to vote. The best way to do this is via links to http://BestRollerCoasterPoll.com on your coaster related websites or message boards that you may belong to. As I did last year, I will create a reciprocal links page to list the sites that refer the most people to the poll. Thank You, Mitch Hawker Mitch Hawker http://BestRollerCoasterPoll.com -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 01 14:55:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93711 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX521-0004vg-EZ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4367F24B.7060301@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:55:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47869d51e7181ee6aec5fea439e5b87b8c141fa25353f83abe8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Long Time Theme Park Historian Passes Away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=fDoGOGHF9qggsg4IzxsFSTkAJj02DE7dz5sqsi_aooEVfKM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I'm sure that many of us were shocked by the loss of Steve Urbanowicz. It came very suddenly. I know that he's done PR for Coney Island (and some consider him their unofficial historian), as well as having written several books and been on several of the well known coaster shows (including the recent one on Kinda Ka- he was the guy in the black overcoat) While I never had the chance to meet him, I've heard from many who knew him, and have a couple of his books. I think that he's impacted many more than probably realize it. His loss will be felt for a long time to come. For those interested, he had apparently made it known that he didn't want any sort of a religious service done for him, though I've heard that they may be working on some sort of memorial service or gathering for all of those who knew him. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From raser@grics.net Tue Nov 01 15:15:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: raser@grics.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82070 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 23:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2005 23:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO balin.grics.net) (64.40.95.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 23:15:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balin.grics.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C8B30DA for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:13:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from balin.grics.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balin [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23130-03 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:13:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from robspc (216-166-240-38.dsl.dixnil.grics.net [216.166.240.38]) by balin.grics.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 224DE3155 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:13:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c5df39$95c060f0$2d01a8c0@robspc> To: References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01D9F297@mail.alpha-sys.com> <4366D89C.3070105@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:11:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net X-Originating-IP: 64.40.95.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Robert A. Scott" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Boy Scout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149984687; y=9AyGgFip2UrlKiV75TolJHMW_pONyU_NHdiKWR4PYMzHkqQMBl1qHdm8 X-Yahoo-Profile: raserindustries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I am a Cubmaster (I deal with the younger Cub scouts not the older Boy scouts) Now a days the Troopmasters of Boy scout troops push the kids very hard before they get into high school so there isn't much to do once they are older. This philosophy has seemed to work much better for getting Eagle scouts as they have increased One of our troops here in Dixon just had it's Troopmaster retire (sort of ) and he has 100 Eagle scouts to his credit. It is easier now but not that easy and there is alot of work done in the early stages where parents can still push their kids... ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Brown To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: Boy Scout Jon Zucker wrote on 10/31/2005, 8:36 AM: > > > Merced, CA -- Boy scout Tyler Logan, 13, of Merced, ... > > > ... has one more merit badge in personal management to obtain before > > > receiving the highly cherished Eagle Scout rank. > > > > I thought most Eagle Scouts tend to reach that rank at the > > extreme end of eligibility for Scouting, ie, 17 years old. > > Either scouting has gotten easier, or somthin's fishy here. > > > Yes, I noticed that too. It's takes a lot of work, and time, to earn > the "Eagle" rank. I just assumed that either > > A) it's a typo, or > B) this kid is some kind of manic, hyperfocused overachiever. > > Jon "troop 122" Z Not at all. I think you can make Eagle in a minimum of something like 15 months, I forget exactly, I'd have to pull out my old handbook. Many have made it to Eagle that quickly, one that comes to mind right away is Ross Parot. Regrettably, I only made it to Life before other things occupied my time. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 07:13:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25679 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 15:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 15:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 15:13:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:12:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:12:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:12:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water Park, Amusement Park Planned for South DeKalb County X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4omFHyFruhPdrL-9qWxbCBNI5tW_79rp6g_Xb8c5f814ra0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/1/2005 Associated Press WJXX-ABC 25 http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx? storyid=3D46531 LITHONIA, GA -- Plans are under way to build an indoor water park and=20 an indoor amusement park in south DeKalb County near Lithonia. The plans for Fun World Palace & Resort also call for a performing=20 arts center with 65-hundred seats, 400 hotel rooms, 500 apartments in=20 2 towers, 120 thousand sq-ft of office space and 110-thousand sq-ft=20 of retail space. Developers need to finalize construction financing to build out the=20 31-acre site near the Mall of Stonecrest. Top Flight Development=20 Group is in charge of the project that aims to draw from a retail=20 market basin that reaches into south Georgia and eastward to Augusta=20 and South Carolina. Developers expect to start opening Fun World in 2-3 years. Rodney=20 Zellner is a partner with the Atlanta-based development company. He=20 believes Fun World's distance from downtown Atlanta will be a selling=20 point. He says many families want a retreat from the hustle of the=20 big city. --------- =A9 2004-2005 Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 07:20:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32749 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 15:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 15:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 15:20:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:19:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:19:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:19:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park on trail to Gila River X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iq6Dsq46mIY8NczZ_28qzjFmFdLwB5Iy5H4iikZGfwkBJSg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov. 2, 2005 The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/1102sr- rawhide02Z8.html by Thomas Ropp SCOTTSDALE, AZ -- Only hours after Rawhide Western Town concluded its=20 34-year-run in Scottsdale, workers began dismantling the popular=20 Western-theme amusement park. Dead Eye Bill's Shooting Gallery was the first structure to come down=20 early Tuesday. Over the next few days, the other Western facades will=20 be taken apart and reassembled at Rawhide's new location at the Gila=20 River Indian Community south of Phoenix. "We're also taking anything=20 that's old wood as well as all movable and usable hardware," said=20 Sandy Staples Trudel, Rawhide's director of marketing. Rawhide's landmark covered entrance bridge, crossed by more than 20=20 million visitors over the years, will be moved in one piece at=20 midnight Friday. The bridge was jacked up Tuesday and moved into=20 Rawhide's parking lot. Robert Hurlburt, owner of Huricon, the rigging company moving the=20 bridge, estimates it will take 8 hours to haul it along a circuitous=20 route that goes through Buckeye. "The bridge is going to be 19'=20 high," Hurlburt said, "so there's some major wire and streetlight=20 issues." 2 sheriff's cars will escort the bridge. The mood was somber Tuesday afternoon as employees of Rawhide's shops=20 packed up. Carol Hubbard of Phoenix worked 9 years at Rawhide, the last 2 in=20 Aztex Hats, a custom hatmaker. "A lot of people were crying our final=20 night," Hubbard said. "Others were taking pictures and carrying on." Hubbard's husband Alfred played Deputy Mosby at Rawhide. He and most=20 of the other employees will transfer to the new Rawhide in December. Rawhide's farewell fireworks show Halloween night was particularly=20 loud. "The buildings shook," Hubbard said. Neighborhood problem: Rawhide's problems with some of its neighbors have been well=20 documented over the past 10 years. In Oct. 1971, when Rawhide opened at Pinnacle Peak and Scottsdale=20 roads, it was surrounded by virgin Sonoran Desert. But as urbanization slowly surrounded the 160-acre facility,=20 complaints increased about everything from noise to lights to visitor=20 traffic. Marketing director Staples Trudel, said there were no complaints=20 during the fireworks finale. "Only 1 person called wanting to know=20 when it would end," Staples Trudel said. Last year, after Rawhide owner Jerry Hirsch sold the property for $48=20 million to car dealer and developer Larry Van Tuyl, Scottsdale made=20 an effort to keep Rawhide, which generated $500,000 in tax revenue=20 annually, at its WestWorld facility. Critics feel the city didn't try hard enough. 'Most Western' debate: Michael McComas, a 51-y.o. Phoenix native who now lives at Anthem,=20 said he remembers when Scottsdale was truly the West's Most Western=20 Town, complete with hitching posts and real horses tied to=20 them. "Scottsdale is a joke now," McComas said. "Without a doubt,=20 Wickenburg is the West's Most Western Town." Cave Creek residents beg to differ. The new Rawhide at Wild Horse Pass will open Dec. 1, becoming part of=20 an entertainment conglomerate that includes the Sheraton Wild Horse=20 Pass Resort & Spa, an equestrian center and the Wild Horse Pass=20 Casino. Rawhide manager Victor Ostrow said before the grand opening, a=20 consulting team will look at Rawhide through fresh eyes with the=20 intent of adding even more Western-theme features. The old Rawhide will most likely be replaced by houses and office=20 buildings. Neighbors are fighting this also. ----------- =A9 2005, azcentral.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 07:32:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87295 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 15:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 15:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 15:32:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:32:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:32:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags investor says not time to sell X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZycYMYPGbsAorrlfeBvw15iEd5MjZ7c94TehEJkSBz0Tyos X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 2, 2005 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051102/bs_nm/leisure_sixflags_diaco_dc_2 WASHINGTON -- Diaco Investments LP, which holds a 9.8% stake in theme=20 park operator Six Flags Inc., said in a regulatory filing on=20 Wednesday that this is the wrong time to put the company up for sale. Diaco said it intends to grant its consent in favor of Red Zone LLC,=20 an investment firm owned by Washington Redskins football team owner=20 Daniel Snyder. In August, 6F put itself up for sale after Snyder said he was seeking=20 to replace the company's chairman and CEO and to raise his stake to=20 34.9% from 11.7%. Snyder had offered to pay $6.50 a share to increase his stake in 6F,=20 which operates 30 theme parks that include amusement rides, water=20 parks and safaris. 6F shares closed Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange trade at=20 $7.36. Diaco said in the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange=20 Commission that it believes in Red Zone's ability to enhance 6F's=20 share value. 6F said last week that it had sent consent revocation materials to=20 shareholders in connection with Red Zone's plan to try to change the=20 company's management. It said Red Zone's proposal was not in the best interest of=20 shareholders. 6F has said it set an early-November deadline for potential suitors=20 to submit initial takeover offers, with the aim of finding a buyer by=20 year-end. Diaco, which owns 9.09 million shares of 6F's common stock, said in=20 the filing that it may engage in discussion with management, the=20 board of directors and shareholders about the business, operations,=20 board composition, management strategy and future plans of 6F. It may also buy or sell additional shares, engage in hedging, seek=20 board representation, and encourage 6F to pursue strategic=20 transactions. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 07:40:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7079 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 15:40:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:37:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:37:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park still on drawing board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=f4CBkDsfaX-Yqgv7eKdKea1B5fBifClrZQWgM7tY3SYkIcI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct 31, 2005 The Brunswick News http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/front/346070254003144.php By CASEY STEWART=20 Glynn County, Georgia -- The wait for a theme park in Glynn County=20 will have to continue. Steamboat City, the theme park proposed for the area of Georgia 99=20 just east of I-95 in northern Glynn County, is still on the drawing=20 board with no new starting date for construction. The most recent start date given for the project was early 2006, but=20 that's not going to happen. "We are currently talking with a group=20 that would be coordinating the operations and development (of the=20 current plans) of the theme park," said Will Pitts, president of W.G.=20 Pitts Co. and general partner of Steamboat City Development Co. The Steamboat City Development Co. is trying to develop a 800-acre=20 parcel that will include a 150-acre theme park and a 125-acre=20 recreational vehicle parking and camp ground. It also will include=20 100 acres for commercial development and 100 acres for hotels and=20 condominium complexes. This is not the first time plans for the area between I-95 and=20 Highway 99 have stalled. The same site was originally slated to be=20 part of a 2,000-plus acre wildlife theme park under the ownership and=20 direction of television host and animal lover Jim Fowler in 2001. In December 2001, the park property changed hands and left the=20 wildlife theme in limbo. Purchased by a group of local investors under the name Wildlife=20 Realty Associates, the park has been recast from a 2,000-acre=20 wildlife safari park to a much smaller Georgia heritage theme park to=20 the 800-acre Steamboat City, a theme park based on a world when=20 steamboats traveled inland rivers. Pitts said the theme park will happen. "We are the master planners of=20 the development," said Pitts. "The partnership (of owners) is still=20 enthused about making this theme park a reality." Tony Sammons, chair of the Brunswick and Glynn County Development=20 Authority, is eager for the day that the plans come to fruition. "We=20 understand at the development authority that the project is still a=20 go, and they still have the plans in place to make the park happen,"=20 he said. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 07:44:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57858 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2005 15:44:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:44:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dreamworld backs a winner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VAe8U_Ri-KHGGgqIGfCi3S1ksOLxQswgctAyX-DCumr4I_w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03nov05 Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17121636% 255E664,00.html by Chris Jones Coomera, Queensland, AU -- Record crowds flocking to Dreamworld to=20 see its new Wiggles World attraction have boosted the fortunes of the=20 Gold Coast theme park's owner, the Macquarie Leisure Trust. The stockmarket-listed trust's unit price has soared 20% since July 1=20 and put on another 1.3%, or 3, yesterday to $2.31 after its September=20 quarter results showed strong revenue and rent growth across all its=20 divisions. And while the Macquarie Bank spun-off trust's AMF 10-pin bowling=20 alleys and portfolio of marinas along the nation's east coast=20 delivered a positive quarter, Dreamworld was the major asset=20 underpinning the strong result. Revenue from the theme park was up 6% during the quarter on the back=20 of a 0.8% increase in attendance and a 5.2% boost in what visitors=20 spent while there. The total attendance for the period, 363,348, equated to almost 4000=20 visitors every day, with each visitor spending an average of $59.37. MLE said the attendance growth could have reached almost 3% had it=20 not been for a forced 2 trading day closure in July because of heavy=20 rain. Better figures are forecast for the December quarter, with the=20 Wiggles World attraction having only been open for 1/3 of the current=20 reporting period. But while Dreamworld continues to provide a good base for MLE, the=20 specialist entertainment and leisure investor has put much of its=20 faith in 10-pin bowling for the future. The group acquired the AMF-branded chain of 10-pin bowling alleys in=20 February, and it provided $22.6 million in revenues during the=20 September quarter. MLE chairman Neil Balnaves said AMF had been successfully integrated=20 into the group's portfolio, with 5 underperforming centres sold, 1=20 refurbished and a new centre opened. Revenues were also up for the trust's D'Albora marina portfolio,=20 thanks largely to results from its Akuna Bay development and the new=20 Pier 35. Mr Balnaves said the group would continue to "selectively pursue new=20 acquisitions" that provided opportunity for revenue and profit growth. --------- =A9 Herald and Weekly Times From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Nov 02 09:01:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69688 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 17:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2005 17:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 17:01:25 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jA2H0Nbv018376 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:00:23 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:00:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <4367EC87.8070804@earthlink.net> References: <4367EC87.8070804@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <526450AE-65F2-4EAA-82C0-407B1917F226@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:00:21 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 17:00:23.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5C9440:01C5DFCE] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SheiKra strands riders for second time in a month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=e-QVPqeWracrl8yMVQWpJOE-S1uDaZhNOOFb-25JKbXFEyN9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Well, yes and no. After all, how often do you see news reports every > time a ride has stopped and has to be evac'd. I imagine the news picked it up since it's a new ride, and it also had to be evacuated just a month or so ago. > I just don't get why a ride stopping and being evacuated- especially > when it's a "safety feature" is such repeatable news. But I guess > that's just me. Well I'd normally agree .. but if every article played it down like this one did, and mentioned that it was a safety feature and that no- one was in danger, then maybe there should be more news items about it happening. It might finally get rid of some of the crazy sensationalism. Yeah, I know .. it'll never happen. > Well, all you have to do is manage to get down to Tampa and I can help > you take care of the rest- especially if you're willing to work around > my schedule a bit. :P Hehe Well "unfortunately" I won't be able to make it to Florida this winter, since I have a wedding to attend in Hawaii in February :-) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's drinking * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the water!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 18:21:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15333 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 02:21:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 02:20:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:20:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.106.115.226 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: QUES: What is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=4HlfdQld56FkWRH8dDJBoupRs9Iqt31gRBCmYLtGFlKvKNA661p- X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > However, according to RCDB, the highest point of Marineland's Dragon=20 > Mountain is at 186'. Where is the mistake? >=20 > I never rode Dragon Mountain but the pictures of it available on RCDB=20 > give the impression that this roller coaster is not as high as 186'.=20=20 > One hypothesis would be that it is built on a mountain and that 186'=20 is=20 > the distance between the highest and the lowest points of the ride,=20 > without moving people at 186' feets from the ground at any point. Dragon mountain does have an incredibly large lift hill that is eaily=20 186 ft. However, the first drop is really no more than the Demon.=20=20 There's another, tunnelled drop later in the ride, but again, it's not=20 186 feet. The high lift hill just puts it high enough to keep the=20 momentum going through the long ride time.=20=20 It is still billed as "The worlds longest roller coaster" in=20 MarineLand's literature, but the only way I can see that being true is=20 if you judge it by ride time. When I rode it 2 years ago I timed a=20 complete ride at 4 minutes. Much of that is on the lift hill.=20=20 That being said, Dragon Mountain is still my favorite Arrow coaster. X=20 can rot in the bowels of bloody puss spewing hell. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Nov 02 20:27:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1211 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 04:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 04:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 04:27:12 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s6so518536wxc for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.40.1 with SMTP id n1mr265767wxn; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:27:10 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: What is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=GlYmJfbKng2FzcuaPCE588rLN-E2tGMLqKSxORQ_0P4XcxGd664cKBY X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > It is still billed as "The worlds longest roller coaster" in > MarineLand's literature, but the only way I can see that being true is > if you judge it by ride time. When I rode it 2 years ago I timed a > complete ride at 4 minutes. Much of that is on the lift hill. It still wouldn't hold the record, as www.rcdb.com has Euro Mir at 4 minutes, 33 seconds. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 05:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92049 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 13:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 99424 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 13:53:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20051103135352.99422.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:53:52 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:53:52 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4367ED5A.1090304@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up with IOA Central?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=NcT3q3WgkeVkXPCjhaVhh3o6un4A4KyQMmdb3R0syqk19sD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- george burnash wrote: So > now, when are the > couples coming down to Florida for vacation? :P Funny thing about that, been there, done that. The "four coasters" previously mentioned were Primeval Whirl, RnRC, Space Mountain, and BTMR which all just so happen to be in Florida. But of course, it was our honeymoon so "no outsiders allowed". =] lata, jeremy --who is actually going to PKD on Saturday (last minute coaster event) __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 07:55:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 15:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 15:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 15:55:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 15:55:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 15:55:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 15:55:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:55:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Celebrity sighting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=G8yHFcn84CfsR3LtVcDQFE9nkL9DcWC69JfoxU2Cc9ReUpo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 So, here I was reading the March-April 2005 ACE News (Yeah I know, I'm=20 a little behind on my reading), and they start talking - no=20 complimenting - some guy from this company called Ride Entertainment=20 Systems, like he's the next big thing! Really...? Okay, so I'm kidding, but our very own Adam Sandy, not only made it=20 into print, but there's a picture of him as well (shana punim!). ;) Hey Adam, so how business? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:05:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52086 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:05:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:04:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:04:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:04:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Michigan amusement park sets all-time turnstile mark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HfTS3GYQJTP5Qk-iK07cb_dnpVhr6S6EZSAPXWFBavRc0wU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov. 02, 2005 Associated Press Centre Daily http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/business/13064163.htm MUSKEGON, MI -- About 550,000 people visited Michigan's Adventure in=20 2005, an 18% increase from last year and an all-time attendance=20 record for the amusement park, officials said. The attraction led all parks in its national chain in turnstile=20 gains. Sandusky, Ohio-based Cedar Fair LP, which purchased MA in=20 2001, owns 6 other amusement parks and 5 water parks. Knott's Berry Farm in southern California is the company's largest=20 park and MA, which is about halfway between Muskegon and Whitehall,=20 is the smallest. Camille Jourden-Mark, GM of MA, told The Muskegon Chronicle for a=20 story Wednesday that attendance was helped by the area's hot and dry=20 summer weather and by the popularity of a new water ride, Funnel of=20 Fear. Jourden-Mark, whose father, Roger Jourden, built up the park from a=20 petting zoo that he bought in 1968, said the previous attendance=20 record of 480,000 guests was set in 2003. -------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:17:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58102 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:17:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:16:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:16:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:16:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Groves Festival to begin Thursday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cwfe9vDvlmhtuSOHh6rOy7CeiYg-YFBwhnI2r0oLs3qBIpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/02/05 Port Arthur News http://www.panews.com/articles/2005/11/03/news/01news.txt By Mary Meaux GROVES, TX -- Food, games and carnival rides - what a way to relax. Rita Fest is set to hit Groves beginning at 5 p.m. Thursday at Lion's=20 Park. Once again, Gulf States Amusements is bringing carnival rides=20 for the enjoyment of the area. The amusement company is the same one=20 used for the Texas Pecan Festival for the past3 decades. Rita Fest is a post hurricane festival that organizers hope will be a=20 way to bring some excitement back to the area. It is sponsored by the=20 Groves Chamber of Commerce and Tourist Center and Texas Pecan=20 Festival Inc. Patti Wolfe, executive manager of the chamber, said it's time to get=20 out and visit with friends and fellow citizens of the community. "We=20 have all been under such stress from the storm, it's time to get out=20 and enjoy the weather," Wolfe said. So far, 20 food & craft vendors are scheduled to be at the festival.=20 No entertainment is scheduled because of the extent of damage to the=20 park's pavilion. Karen Theis, co-organizer of the fest and former president of the=20 chamber, said the event will be fantastic. "It will be a smaller=20 version of the Pecan Festival but just as fun," Theis said. Many of the Texas Pecan Festival activities were held before=20 Hurricane Rita including the scholarship pageant, horseshoe=20 tournament and Grillin' in Groves. No determination has been made yet=20 about the annual treasure hunt. ----------- =A9 2005 Port Arthur News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:26:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14843 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:26:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:25:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:25:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Selects NCR for Point-of-Sale Services at Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2xQSyJGEwbrn7PsszbosOOxXn6bSAx1R-MyFWVpt3iyMX0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 3, 2005 Press Release: NCR Corporation=20 http://www.ncr.com/media_information/2005/nov/pr110305a.htm ATLANTA, GA -=96 NCR Corporation today announced that Six Flags, Inc.,=20 the world's largest regional theme park company, will install NCR=20 RealPOS=99 point-of-sale (POS) technology in its Jackson, N.J., Six=20 Flags Great Adventure park. "Six Flags' dedication to offering the best family entertainment=20 value in the world includes providing a speedy and pleasant checkout=20 experience at food service and other concessions throughout the=20 park," said 6F VP of Finance Russell Kuteman. "As we upgrade our POS=20 solution at 6FGA, we expect the performance, reliability and=20 serviceability of the NCR technology to meet our total cost of=20 ownership objectives while providing our guests with outstanding=20 customer service." 6F has purchased more than 300 NCR RealPOS 70 terminals with NCR=20 RealPOS thermal receipt printers and cash drawers. NCR is providing=20 staging services to assure quick and trouble-free installation, which=20 6F plans to complete by early next year. In addition, 6F has signed a 5-year agreement for NCR on-site=20 maintenance. Based on the results at 6FGA, 6F said it plans to work with NCR to=20 extend the POS initiative to additional parks over the next 3-5=20 years. "6F theme parks have been successfully entertaining guests of=20 all ages for more than 40 years," said NCR VP for Hospitality Sales=20 Tracy Flynn. "NCR RealPOS systems, together with NCR services, will=20 help assure that 6F management and employees can continue focusing=20 their energies on the one thing that matters most =96 delivering a fun- filled experience for each and every visitor to 6FGA." ------------ =A9 2005 NCR Corporation From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:34:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41477 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:34:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:33:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:33:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Knott's Salutes Fire & Police Personnel with Free Park Admission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xdRJFniVdmhIJLozvR5C2yL5TiSMBkDRPANJhb2XobbTBuk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 3, 2005 Press Release: Knott's Berry Farm=20 Yahoo! Finance Business Wire http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051103/35082.html?.v=3D1 BUENA PARK, CA -- Knott's Berry Farm Theme Park is once again proud=20 to pay tribute to Southern California fire & police personnel with=20 free park admission during "Fire and Law Enforcement Days." This=20 year, Thursday, Nov. 24-Sunday, Dec. 18, KBF will extend free park=20 admission for all active fire & police personnel and 1 guest. Up to 6=20 additional tickets can be purchased for only $10 each. "Knott's has always recognized firefighters & police officers as real=20 American heroes, and as we have witnessed in other parts of the=20 country, when a community is hit hard with a disaster it is our fire=20 & police personnel to whom we turn for immediate assistance," said=20 Gregg Picon, GM & VP of West Coast operations. "These are the men &=20 women who put their lives on the line to protect & serve our=20 communities every time they go to work." Nov. 24 also marks the start of Knott's Merry Farm. Traditional=20 favorites including the Christmas Crafts Festival, themed=20 entertainment and a nightly tree lighting ceremony return. Children=20 will be in awe of the redecorated Timber Mountain Log Ride.=20 Renamed "Elf Mountain Christmas," dozens of elves amidst the=20 twinkling lights prepare for Santa's big day. And the world's most=20 famous beagle once again stars in his ice spectacular, "It's=20 Christmas, Snoopy." Guests won't want to miss Knott's blockbuster=20 attractions such as Silver Bullet, GhostRider, Supreme Scream,=20 Xcelerator and many others. To participate, active fire & police personnel must present valid,=20 photo fire or law enforcement ID at the Fire & Police V.I.P. gate=20 Nov. 24-Dec. 18, 2005. Fire or police personnel absolutely must be=20 present. Fire & law enforcement badges and identification cards are=20 acceptable only if accompanied by photo ID. As all IDs must reference=20 specific fire or law enforcement duty, government-only IDs will not=20 be accepted. Under promotional rules, Knott's will admit sworn officers from all=20 city & county fire & law enforcement organizations, plus the=20 following: California Highway Patrol; County Sheriffs' Offices;=20 District Attorney offices; U.S. Forest Service, California Department=20 of Forestry and other wildland fire organizations; correctional=20 facilities (prisons); U.S. Marshals; Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms; the=20 Federal Bureau of Investigation; International Border Patrol;=20 Immigration Naturalization Service; California Conservation Corps.;=20 and reserve or volunteer fire & law enforcement members with valid ID. Please note that only individuals with proper photo ID specifically=20 referencing fire or law enforcement duty will be accepted. The following organizations are not covered by the promotion:=20 civilian employees of city & county fire & law enforcement=20 organizations; retired fire & law enforcement employees; U.S. Armed=20 Forces, including all U.S. veterans; private law firms; reserve or=20 volunteer fire & law enforcement members without valid ID; American=20 Red Cross; private security firms; and all employees with government- only IDs or without specific fire or law enforcement IDs. --------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:40:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11044 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:40:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:39:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:39:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:39:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: HK may sell stake in Disney park in the long run X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WUS6F9RQQKDcGimTjhnZmr_POyjkcx8lv2F2EAbUPGykJZA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 3, 2005 Yahoo! Asia News=20=20=20 Reuters http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051103/3/2a0o5.html HONG KONG, China -- Hong Kong may eventually consider selling its 57%=20 stake in the new HK Disneyland theme park, a government official=20 said, less than 2 months after the new attraction opened its=20 doors. "In the long run, the government may consider in the light of=20 the "Big Market, Small Government" principle to divest its=20 shareholdings in the company at an appropriate time when it is in the=20 overall economic interests of HK to do so," Financial Services=20 Secretary Frederick Ma said on Wednesday. Ma did not specify a timeframe for any potential stake sale. A Disney spokeswoman in LA said that although Disney's agreement with=20 the HK government does allow it to sell its stake in the theme=20 park, "it is not something that's imminent." "We have no indication of a change in the government's position,"=20 Leslie Goodman, senior VP of communications for Walt Disney Parks and=20 Resorts, said on Wednesday. The HK government and Disney agreed in 1999 to set up a joint venture=20 to build the theme park and resort complex, which opened in September. Ma said the government had spent $3.29 billion so far to get the=20 theme park up and running, including land, transport links and loans. The park is expected to give a major boost to HK's economy, creating=20 tens of thousands of much-needed jobs and generating $19 billion in=20 revenue at the venue over 40 years, according to government estimates. But some critics have charged that the government gave too much away=20 in its negotiations with Disney and fear the U.S. entertainment giant=20 will eventually open another park in Shanghai, damaging profits. Attendance at the park has got off to a slower than expected start,=20 according to local media reports. The park had been expected to draw 5.6 million visitors in its first=20 year, a third of which are expected from China, and Disney has gone=20 out of its way to lure visitors from the mainland. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 08:49:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40702 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:49:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:49:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:49:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:49:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Walt Disney offers internships to Oshkosh students X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=feylOS7pux5PsNeMwzDsl1AK9d1vRHfxNJJxHNKuOnsrqN8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/2/2005 Advance Titan http://www.advancetitan.com/story.asp?issue=3D11209&story=3D4327 by John Pucely Oshkosh, WI -- Disney Theme Park & Resorts College Program came to UW- Oshkosh on Oct. 24 & 25 to recruit students interested in working in=20 their theme parks and resorts as a paid intern. Recruiter Jeanne Walsh reintroduced Disney to Oshkosh students.=20 Walsh's presentation focused on the many opportunities that open up=20 to interns after working for a company that ranks 170 internationally=20 on the Fortune 500 list. College interns who work at WDW in Orlando, Fla. have a variety of=20 options to choose from when deciding what part of the year may work=20 for them. Students can choose from spring or fall programs, and both=20 have five and seven month options. "At Disney you aren't considered=20 an employee, you are considered a cast member," Walsh said. As an intern for Disney, students will work in their facilities 30-45=20 hours a week and get paid $6.40 an hour. Walsh said students can work=20 on the WDW grounds for up to a year before they are asked to leave or=20 take the next step with the company. After a year students must apply for a professional internship with=20 Disney. Professional internship locations are scattered throughout=20 the US. Students are challenged to use the skills that they have=20 developed in the classroom and in real life situations. Student Angela Roundtree participated in the program as a merchandise=20 cast member at downtown Disney's Pleasure and West Side. Roundtree said she broke even financially when she returned from the=20 program. Roundtree felt that she could have come back to Oshkosh with=20 more money than she had before she began the program, but spent a=20 good amount of her earnings shopping. As part of the program, interns are asked to participate in courses=20 that can transfer into college credit. The courses are geared to make=20 students think as though they are at a job in their field of=20 choice. "The best part of the internship was all the great=20 networking. Disney has a variety of classes and spotlight sessions so=20 that you may network with the executives of the company," Roundtree=20 said. Students who choose to participate in the Disney College Program are=20 housed by the company in fully-furnished 2-8 person apartments for a=20 fee of $69-$89 a week. This fee includes all of the utilities, cable=20 and Internet. The apartment grounds have 24-hour security and a=20 variety of facilities for residents to use. The Disney Theme Park & Resorts College Program hires about 5,000=20 students a year to work in their facilities as lifeguards,=20 housekeepers, janitors, vendors, costume makers, greeters and actors.=20 The company has expanded its recruiting to over 400 campuses in its=20 25-year existence. "I would highly recommend the Disney College=20 Program. Doing the program was my first time at WDW and the=20 experience was magical," Roundtree said. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 03 08:50:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60430 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 16:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:50:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:49:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 16:49:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:49:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: NEWS: Libertyland closing for good. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=K9PTzRnrEV5PPfXM20wMpnqztlkPMuxff7inMIa7fYxpo5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash More sad news about another park closing. This is one I tried to get to on my cross country trip last year, but it was closed the day I was there (on the 4th of July of all days!) due to a power outage. Sad http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4066303 MEMPHIS - It appears Libertyland, the amusement park where millions of Mid-South families have spent a hot summer day over the past 30 years, may be about to close. Tomorrow two boards which operate Libertyland and the Mid-South Fair are meeting and are expected to approve a motion not to re-open the amusement park. An executive committee is recommending that decision unanimously. Libertyland is perhaps best known for its "Zippin' Pippin'" ride which is said to be the nation's oldest wooden roller coaster and one Elvis Presley loved. When the park opened in the mid-70's, throngs of families would head to the park and it was the first employer for many a teenager. However, the park has struggled in recent years, losing $500,000 last summer. On top of that, theme parks nationally have struggled including those owned by big corporations. Libertyland is jointly owned by the city and county and is non-profit. In the past several years, money made by the Mid-South Fair has subsidized the losses - both share property on the Mid-South From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 03 09:29:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7009 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 17:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 17:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 17:29:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 17:29:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 17:29:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 17:29:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:29:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Michigan amusement park sets all-time turnstile mark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FXfPiYCGPiBoJ0G2B-piOcBFsIxSO3tauW2HfG5lj579Cnc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Did anyone else notice this rather obvious misstatement: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Knott's Berry Farm in southern California is the company's largest=20 > park and MA, which is about halfway between Muskegon and Whitehall,=20 > is the smallest. Knott's is certainly not the largest park. Dorney is much larger, and Cedar Point dwarfs it in size. Seems like they may have meant that Knott's has the largest annual attendance. But even that may not really be accurate since it's open year round as opposed to seasonally. = =20 Makes me wonder which park has the highest average daily attendance, though I can probably guess. keep on ridin' George From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 03 09:41:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57978 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 17:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 17:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 17:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 48765 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 17:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20051103174143.48763.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:41:43 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:41:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Celebrity sighting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=pYkXhDDOtQ0N4Kb_yYtq2yoLrSmxjqIOhfHuRNMCci2AKak X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Okay, so I'm kidding, but our very own Adam Sandy, > not only made it > into print, but there's a picture of him as well > (shana punim!). ;) ACE News must be struggling for pics if I made it in there :). > Hey Adam, so how business? Business is good. We have some S&S Screamin' Swings, Funtime StarFlyers and Gerstlauer Coasters (among other things) heading out there for 2006 and beyond. Life just sucks right now, the week of IAAPA is pretty much the worst of the year! Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Nov 03 12:02:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77873 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 20:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 20:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 20:02:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 20:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2005 20:00:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:00:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.228 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: QUES: What is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=uWLiq7rIEW4q6CiN06tAXW2FbNkbuNLWG6MpQNAJ-q40nVJppkA X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral"=20 wrote: > Dragon mountain does have an incredibly large lift hill that is eaily=20 > 186 ft. However, the first drop is really no more than the Demon.=20=20 Does the lift hill is along a natural mountain? Does it follow the=20 natural hill? In other words, when passengers reach the top, are they=20 186' above the ground or just a couple of feets above the mountain? If=20 the former case is true, La Ronde's statement would be false; if the=20 latter is, so I think that La Ronde would be right to claim that=20 Goliath is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada. Fred From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Nov 03 12:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51356 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.24b.2b4c4d (15864) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hal3000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8436a76df2f; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:45:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:43:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4367F24B.7060301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <436A7668.40605@aol.com> References: <4367F24B.7060301@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nathan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Long Time Theme Park Historian Passes Away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=lr86mNuAEVg2NzCYhq3HFDMZrlgPro_mBMG48lEUrTUCMe0ggQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo george burnash wrote on 11/1/2005, 5:55 PM: > I'm sure that many of us were shocked by the loss of Steve Urbanowicz. > It came very suddenly. I know that he's done PR for Coney Island (and > some consider him their unofficial historian), as well as having written > several books and been on several of the well known coaster shows > (including the recent one on Kinda Ka- he was the guy in the black > overcoat) > > While I never had the chance to meet him, I've heard from many who knew > him, and have a couple of his books. I think that he's impacted many > more than probably realize it. His loss will be felt for a long time to > come. > > For those interested, he had apparently made it known that he didn't > want any sort of a religious service done for him, though I've heard > that they may be working on some sort of memorial service or gathering > for all of those who knew him. > > keep on ridin' > George I don't think I could have said it any better George. I had the privilege to meet Steve at the Kingda Ka media day last May. I spoke to him at length during a breakdown, and he was a wonderful man who was passionate about his love for not only Coney but coasters in general. He was one of Great Adventure's greatest proponents as well, and was thrilled with the progress the park has made in the last few years. For those not sure who steve was, he is in the blue shirt on the right side of this picture: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/22603825-M.jpg I think we will have to save a seat for him on El Toro next year at Coaster Celebration. With deepest regards, -- Nathan brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Hey, someday I might actually update my website, just to shock everyone. From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 13:39:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20209 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 21:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 21:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 21:39:57 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i3so146448wra for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.242.2 with SMTP id p2mr1263121qbh; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.183.9 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:39:56 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: What is going to be the tallest roller coaster in Canada? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=ohMBafgGVmxgJRMZiREzsBSft4quXJjEIeQK7GVSghNXUuEIByzGXjM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Does the lift hill is along a natural mountain? Does it follow the > natural hill? In other words, when passengers reach the top, are they > 186' above the ground or just a couple of feets above the mountain? See for yourself: http://www.rcdb.com/ig185.htm?picture=3D2 -Nate From voicerodeo@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 13:51:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98679 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 21:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 21:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.196) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 21:51:35 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t7so675522wxc for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.67.8 with SMTP id p8mr1195294wxa; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.53.13 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <311109f00511031351y564bfe40qe37a654384f6428c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:51:34 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lewis Sanders Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Michigan amusement park sets all-time turnstile mark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=Qj_aGYmqYSf3vITovX8lUWcpNkmLwdDzH51nl1z8iWiSUjbXAg X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit boy did they get their facts wrong.. since when is Knotts Berry Farm bigger than Cedar Point? size or attendance? maybe attendance.. since they are a year round park.. but certainly not in size. On 11/3/05, Alan wrote: > > Nov. 02, 2005 > Associated Press > Centre Daily > http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/business/13064163.htm > > > MUSKEGON, MI -- About 550,000 people visited Michigan's Adventure in > 2005, an 18% increase from last year and an all-time attendance > record for the amusement park, officials said. > > The attraction led all parks in its national chain in turnstile > gains. Sandusky, Ohio-based Cedar Fair LP, which purchased MA in > 2001, owns 6 other amusement parks and 5 water parks. > > Knott's Berry Farm in southern California is the company's largest > park and MA, which is about halfway between Muskegon and Whitehall, > is the smallest. > > Camille Jourden-Mark, GM of MA, told The Muskegon Chronicle for a > story Wednesday that attendance was helped by the area's hot and dry > summer weather and by the popularity of a new water ride, Funnel of > Fear. > > Jourden-Mark, whose father, Roger Jourden, built up the park from a > petting zoo that he bought in 1968, said the previous attendance > record of 480,000 guests was set in 2003. > -------- > Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 14:23:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68408 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 22:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2005 22:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.201) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 22:23:34 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t11so643425wxc for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.107.11 with SMTP id j11mr1082031qbm; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:23:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30511031423w31d61294yd28b55d20d1c374c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:23:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <311109f00511031351y564bfe40qe37a654384f6428c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <311109f00511031351y564bfe40qe37a654384f6428c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Michigan amusement park sets all-time turnstile mark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=6KPATKCgd5ZsKQ38DzNRftSHhSm2bB_bqr2QR29jAGvt69_X X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's an AP Story out of Muskegon... which means it was probably written by a Chronicle writer... locals don't nickname it the Comical for nothing, they're really good at messing up stats like that. They probably assumed year-round ops =3D bigger park. On 11/3/05, Lewis Sanders wrote: > boy did they get their facts wrong.. since when is Knotts Berry Farm bigg= er > than Cedar Point? size or attendance? maybe attendance.. since they are a > year round park.. but certainly not in size. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 08:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3234 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:01:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:01:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:01:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:01:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Board votes to close Libertyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rTy961rtKs0jP8wvA-tIFfbrlmaSXRVG5iw0BINM5EkVFZw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 It's official. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nov 3, 2005 WMC-TV 5 http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4070965 Memphis, TN -- Libertyland closed for the 2005 season in September.=20 Thursday, it was announced that the park had closed for good, after=20 members of the Libertyland board voted unanimously to shut the park=20 down. Eric Hanes thought he had a job as a mechanic working on the rides at=20 the park. He expected to work there until he retired, after being=20 hired only 9 months ago. "I came there because people had been there=20 for 25 years," he said. "When I interviewed with them, I told them=20 this was the last job I want to take." 40 employees and more than 300 teenagers who worked seasonally at the=20 park will lose their jobs. Libertyland was the largest employer of=20 teenagers in Memphis, and almost the only place in the city that=20 hired 14 y.o. Still, Libertyland Board President Rick Winchester said for the past=20 few years the park lost money. "We've had losses the for last several=20 years," he said. "We felt like those losses and expenses were=20 something that were justified because of the number of young people=20 we were hiring every summer." But repeated losses over the years, and the half a million dollar=20 loss this past season, was just too much to justify. Now, Libertyland board members will be forced to decide what to do=20 with all of the rides and structures at the park. Rides like=20 the "Zippin' Pippin" and the carousel are considered by some to be=20 historic. ------------ =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2005 WorldNow and WMCTV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 08:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11666 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:12:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:11:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:11:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: PDC to Debut RFID Cashless Payment Solutions at IAAPA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KJp3VHyGgdyThV4O3Vli9XrbMwp7O2gfLSqmotydQNZ9nnI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 3, 2005 Press Release: Precision Dynamics Corporation Yahoo! Finance Business Wire http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051103/36151.html?.v=3D1 SAN FERNANDO, CA -- Precision Dynamics Corporation (PDC), a global=20 leader in automatic wristband identification, will showcase its=20 newest products, Smart Kiosk(TM) and Smart Reader, during the IAAPA=20 Trade Show in Atlanta, November 14-19.=20 RFID (radio frequency identification) is not a new technology, but=20 using RFID wristbands for cashless payment at amusement parks is.=20 PDC's RFID Point-of-Sale (POS) Cashless Payment System consists of=20 Smart Kiosk, Smart Band=AE RFID Wristbands, and Smart Readers, all=20 located throughout a venue for quick and easy purchases. Smart Kiosk is a free-standing booth with touch-screen that allows=20 patrons to load money using cash, credit or debit cards onto Smart=20 Band RFID Wristbands which are typically provided to patrons at=20 admissions. Smart Reader is a free-standing combination POS system=20 and reader that replaces the need for expensive stand-alone POS=20 systems and readers. Most of the time spent waiting in lines is attributed to the=20 financial transactions of handling and counting cash or processing=20 credit cards. "The system helps increase throughput at concession=20 stands, reducing long lines that often deter patrons from making=20 additional purchases. Also, it is practical for water and amusement=20 parks where patrons don't like to carry wallets, and loose cash can=20 get wet or lost. It provides an added convenience for both park=20 owners and patrons alike," commented Robin Barber, VP Advanced=20 Marketing & Technology at PDC. Smart Band=AE RFID Wristbands are used for a variety of functions,=20 including cashless payment, tracking of purchases, and access=20 control. They provide nontransferable positive patron ID while=20 helping to increase per capita spending, enable cashless transactions=20 at the point-of-sale, and eliminate the need for tickets at events. PDC's Smart Bands are currently being used at Hyland Hills Water=20 World in Denver as part of its new cashless POS System. "PDC's RFID=20 wristband offers our guests a convenient and hassle-free method of=20 making purchases with a simple wave of their wristband. It's secure,=20 easy to use, and has increased in-park spending," said Bob Owens,=20 HHWW Assistant Manager. PDC will hold a press conference in the IAAPA press room on November=20 16, at 2:00 p.m. Product demonstrations will be given at PDC's booth=20 #1043 following the press conference. For more information, please=20 contact Paula Moggio at paulam@pdcorp.com or 818-897-1111, ext. 1330. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 08:19:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79569 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:19:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:19:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:19:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:19:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park looks for new thrill ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ggqrdeASAydtyjv7vY43IqiZ7-CquCti4KTNhn-0TIxf17k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 04 November 2005 Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3467467a13,00.html By PAM GRAHAM Manukau City, Auckland, NZ -- Auckland theme park Rainbow's End is=20 looking for a new attraction of "Fearfall" proportions, after adding=20 Power Surge to its thrill rides last summer. The park's parent, New Zealand Experience, is 74% owned by Canadian=20 investment company Emerald Capital. It sold down to that level from=20 80.45% this year to meet stock exchange shareholder spread=20 requirements. At yesterday's NZE annual meeting in Auckland, Emerald manager Andrew=20 Clements was reappointed to the board, last year's accounts were=20 adopted and authority to set auditor's pay was granted. The 15 or so shareholders who turned up were invited to enjoy the=20 rides at Rainbow's End. Shareholders were told bad weather had affected attendance at=20 Rainbow's End during the peak July school holiday season. However, trading since then had been in line with targets, NZE=20 chairman Tony Frankham said. The park added 2 rides =96 Power Surge and a smaller attraction Jumpin'=20 Star =96 last year, which were expected to boost attendance numbers=20 this summer. It tries to add a major new attraction every 3 years. It=20 would look at options for the next new attraction, of similar scale=20 to its Fearfall attraction, in the next year. Installing more car=20 parking would also be investigated. The park's cafe facilities and an=20 entrance pavilion have recently been redeveloped, and conference=20 facilities added. After a strategic review of the business in February, the board has=20 decided to focus on its core business at the Rainbow's End site. NZE made a $776,000 profit in the year to June 30, 2005, down from=20 $831,000 the year before, mostly because of higher depreciation and=20 interest costs. --------- =A9 Fairfax New Zealand Limited 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 08:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65799 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:24:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:24:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:24:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:24:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:24:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme parks count on perks to help draw seasonal workers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0Stc1F4NURC2mMGUgWP0Hj_cfS3fyWP2vGPdaKcwoTtI9P0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 4, 2005 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl- hires0405nov04,0,119559.story?coll=3Dorl-business-headlines&track=3Drss by Beth Kassab Central Florida's theme parks are gearing up for the latest=20 competition to lure qualified seasonal employees for the holidays,=20 each hosting job fairs and promoting the perks that come with the job. In all, area parks, including Tampa's Busch Gardens, are looking to=20 hire more than 3,800 people in the next month as the region's=20 unemployment rate continues to decline. A report from Workforce Central Florida last month showed that the 5- county area around Orlando leads the state in the number of jobs that=20 go unfilled each day. In response, the theme parks are banking on their perks to attract=20 workers for seasonal, part-time and full-time jobs. Walt Disney World is looking to hire about 2,000 people in all 3 of=20 those categories at a job fair scheduled to begin Monday at Disney's=20 casting center, where job offers will be made on the spot. "For this=20 particular job fair, we are emphasizing some of the unique benefits=20 of being a WDW cast member," said Disney spokeswoman Kim=20 Prunty. "Certainly, we want to make sure we're competitively placed=20 in the marketplace." Along with the free theme park tickets that come with the jobs,=20 Disney is promoting its package of holiday perks for new hires who=20 complete orientation by Dec. 31. The package includes additional free=20 tickets, 50% discounts at some restaurants and 40% discounts at some=20 shops. BG is looking to hire for about 500 seasonal and part-time positions=20 by the end of the month, said Gary Vien, VP of human=20 resources. "Typically, this is the busiest time of the year for us,"=20 Vien said. "We're taking down Howl-O-Scream and after=20 Thanksgiving . . . up goes Christmas." Universal Orlando is planning to hire about 1,000 seasonal workers=20 beginning at a job fair on Nov. 11 & 12, said spokesman Tom Schroder,=20 with offers of perks such as free tickets and other benefits. SeaWorld Orlando is looking to fill 350 seasonal and part-time jobs=20 beginning on Saturday. It also offers free tickets among its perks. ----------- =A9 2005, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 08:33:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10050 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:33:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:31:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 16:31:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:31:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Major Six Flags Holder Backs Snyder Takeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lwbszZs3Dud1PHLopg13l5dAOA-9Exd2P_-vYJ4E-J0DxCk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 3, 2005 Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2005/11/02/AR2005110202774.html?nav=3Drss_business By Annys Shin A major shareholder in Six Flags Inc. has thrown his support behind=20 Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder's bid to gain control of the nation's=20 2nd-largest theme park operator. New York investor Simon Glick, who owns about 9.8% of 6F, said=20 yesterday in a filing with the SEC that after reviewing management's=20 turnaround strategy for the company, he intended to vote in favor of=20 Snyder's proposal to replace 2 top managers and 1 director with=20 himself, former ESPN programming whiz Mark Shapiro and local home=20 builder Dwight C. Schar. For his gambit to succeed, Snyder, 6F's largest shareholder, with a=20 stake of about 11.7%, needs owners of a majority of company shares to=20 support him. More than 70% of 6F's shares are controlled by 7=20 investors. In addition to Snyder and Glick, other major investors=20 include Omaha fund manager Wallace Weitz, who controls about 10.6% of=20 the shares, and Microsoft founder Bill Gates, who owns about 11.5%. A spokesman for Red Zone LLC, an investment vehicle for Snyder's 6F=20 shares, did not return calls yesterday. Snyder and Shapiro have been crisscrossing the country in recent=20 weeks to meet with 6F investors and sell them on their plan to fix=20 the company. Voting on the proposal is expected to be done by the end=20 of the year. In his filing yesterday, Glick said he believed in Snyder and his=20 team's "ability to enhance the share value" of 6F. 6F, which put the company up for sale in August soon after Snyder=20 revealed his plans, responded with a letter to shareholders, urging=20 them not to let Snyder "disrupt our sales process." Glick is the first major shareholder to disclose his vote in the=20 fight for control of the company. Neither Weitz nor Gates has=20 commented on his intentions. In the letter to shareholders, 6F CEO Kieran E. Burke said the=20 company had attracted the interest of "a large number" of potential=20 bidders, including theme park operators and private equity firms. 6F=20 expects to begin receiving initial offers in the coming weeks and=20 sign an agreement with a buyer by the end of the year "unless the=20 process is disrupted" by Snyder's proposal, which is being considered=20 through a separate process. Turning the company over to Snyder and his team would be a "risky=20 bet," Burke told 6F investors, because the Redskins owner and his=20 partners have no experience in the theme park business. He called=20 their ideas for improving 6F "dangerous and potentially destructive"=20 of shareholder value. Snyder, in material sent to shareholders, said he does not believe a=20 viable buyer will emerge, due in large part to the company's more=20 than $2 billion of debt. He said he would buy additional shares in 6F=20 for $6.50 a share if shareholders agree to install his team and if=20 the stock price falls below $6.50. The stock recently has been=20 trading at $7 and above. Although 6F managers were "disappointed" with Glick's decision, they=20 remained "confident" that investors would see that a sale process=20 would "obtain maximum value for all 6F stockholders," said spokesman=20 Jeremy Jacobs in an e-mailed statement. However, Glick, who through an associate declined an interview=20 request, disagreed with the company in his filing yesterday,=20 saying "this is not the correct moment" to put 6F up for sale. ------------ =A9 2005 The Washington Post Company From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Nov 04 08:41:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7085 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 16:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 16:41:22 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jA4GexU3006076 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:40:59 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:40:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:40:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 16:40:59.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[88F462A0:01C5E15E] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Major Six Flags Holder Backs Snyder Takeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=RHloTj5HxuTvBMFfBb3BI5jcUIF0hFYLYqGl8otjHOoHPJUn X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > New York investor Simon Glick, who owns about 9.8% of 6F, said > yesterday in a filing with the SEC that after reviewing management's > turnaround strategy for the company, he intended to vote in favor of > Snyder's proposal to replace 2 top managers and 1 director with > himself, former ESPN programming whiz Mark Shapiro and local home > builder Dwight C. Schar. I know this contributes little to the topic at hand .. but: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Nov 04 11:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98749 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 19:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 19:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.192) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 19:06:19 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t5so914990wxc for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.100.10 with SMTP id c10mr2464369qbm; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:06:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30511041106t7af20435k4e69692d4a09144c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:06:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Board votes to close Libertyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=SKaIrJEkN9CwH3pBEIu3T5VzSFwHMnvDrMtXJngQrQhkBt_O X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 11/4/05, Alan wrote: > It's official. > -Alan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sad, it seemed like a nice little park that no one really knew was there. It wasn't in the greatest location, but why they weren't marketing it heavilly to all the people visiting Graceland, let alone Memphis in general, is beyond me. I was there a couple days before George's ill-fated power outage visit last summer, and while there were guests in the park, there weren't many. Hopefully, they'll find a way to at least incorporate the rides into the fair and give Zippin Pippin something of a life beyond the park. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 13:30:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59632 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 21:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2005 21:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 21:30:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 21:30:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2005 21:30:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:30:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30511041106t7af20435k4e69692d4a09144c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Board votes to close Libertyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dmvWRo46UFOI9YhirtmQ22KzM_BuhqTOs5xUFIsJC070TtI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson=20 wrote: > On 11/4/05, Alan wrote: > > It's official. > > -Alan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sad, it seemed like a nice little park that no one really knew was > there. It wasn't in the greatest location, but why they weren't > marketing it heavilly to all the people visiting Graceland, let alone > Memphis in general, is beyond me. I was there a couple days before > George's ill-fated power outage visit last summer, and while there > were guests in the park, there weren't many. Hopefully, they'll find a > way to at least incorporate the rides into the fair and give Zippin > Pippin something of a life beyond the park. > I was thinking that maybe Graceland could by it. You know, the whole Elvis thing and all...? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 10:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65999 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 18:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 18:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 18:19:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:19:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:19:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Riding into the sunset X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=K5Ldg1OKgK9zzaegco3jABbONaGMLUsnnIFLqyMeV9iMwdo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov. 7, 2005 The Yomiuri Shimbun http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20051107dy01.htm Kanazawa, Yokohama, Japan -- A park employee leaps from the bows of a=20 boat as passengers enjoy the last ride on Watershoot, an amusement park=20 ride dreamed up in the United States and introduced to many amusement=20 parks in Japan, at Yokohama Hakkeijima Sea Paradise in Kanazawa Ward. The attraction soon became popular after it was introduced to the=20 Japanese at an exhibition in Osaka in 1903. However, the introduction=20 of more sophisticated attractions marked the death knell of Watershoot.=20 The last surviving Watershoot at Sea Paradise thrilled park visitors=20 for the last time Sunday. ----------- =A9 The Yomiuri Shimbun From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 10:24:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91285 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 18:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 18:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 18:24:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:24:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:24:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:24:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:24:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 11 Injured as rocket fired into a crowd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0X_mNUrnYv-NNd0YsFy9zQcj3iF5JCIsWldGBSiLjv6kl1g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7 November 2005 The Daily Record http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=3D16340242&method=3Dfull&sit eid=3D66633&headline=3D11-injured-as-rocket-fired-into-a-crowd-- name_page.html =20 Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK -- The boss of an amusement park=20 where 11 people were hurt when a firework hit the crowd yesterday=20 defended his safety measures. One boy, aged around 10, suffered serious injuries when the organised=20 bonfire night at Wicksteed Park went badly wrong on Saturday night. The injured were standing behind a safety cordon when they were hit=20 by a stray firework. They were taken to Kettering General Hospital, Northamptonshire, for=20 treatment, mainly for burns to the lower body. 2 children were detained at the hospital and a third child was=20 transferred to a specialist burns unit. His condition was described as "serious but stable". Wicksteed Park managing director John Roberts said last night: "All=20 available staff, including our first aid team andSt John's ambulance,=20 immediately attended the injured and ambulances were called. "Police, some of whom were already on site, supported our operational=20 staff to ensure that our emergency plans were followed effectively. "We understand three are still in hospital. "We regularly host large events here at Wicksteed Park and this=20 firework display is organised by one of the country's leading=20 firework display companies, Kimbolton Fireworks." Roberts said 100 stewards were on hand and the safety cordon far=20 exceeded the recommended minimum distance. He said: "Our thoughts are with the injured people and their=20 families." Police are still investigating the incident. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 10:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84826 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 18:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 18:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 18:38:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:37:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:37:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:37:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:37:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nye World could bring tourists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qC5swCdfKjf2DsIO5kQ72ibdulnq1-N6P6UAmeeZhIDf_wI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 4, 2005 Pahrump Valley Times http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/11/04/news/nyeworld.html By PHILLIP GOMEZ Pahrump, NV -- Nye County and the Town of Pahrump are seriously=20 looking into the possibility of bringing a Six-Flags-over-Nye-style=20 amusement park to Pahrump - an Area-51, sci-fi themed park owned and=20 operated by the county. The Nye County Board of Commissioners on Tuesday voted to send one of=20 its members, Commissioner Patricia Cox, and the county's economic=20 development director Ann Barron to Atlanta to attend a week-long=20 trade show and convention, Nov. 14-19, put on by IAAPA. IAAPA is the world's leader in connecting buyers and suppliers in the=20 amusement park industry. Amusement parks, zoos, aquariums, museums,=20 water parks and resorts are represented. The expo is billed as "the=20 one marketplace where amusement and attractions industry leaders,=20 decision makers and visionaries gather to view and explore new=20 amenities for their facilities." More than 1,100 participants are expected to display their exhibits=20 within 1 million gross sq-ft. The estimated attendance at this year's=20 expo is 28,000. The trade show, closed to the general public, is open=20 to its more than 5,000 individual members, amusement park-type=20 facility operators and suppliers. IAAPA supports the industry through=20 programs to improve efficiency, marketing and profitability, while=20 maintaining high professional standards. More than 60 day-long seminars are offered on various aspects of the=20 amusement industry, offering attendees opportunities for developing=20 new ideas to take home with them, according to the association's Web=20 site, www.iaapa.org. The town of Pahrump is sending town board member Laurayne Murray to=20 the expo with the county's representatives. But the originator of the idea for "Nye World," Harley Kulkin, will=20 not be going. Before the commissioners' vote on approving $1,000 for each=20 attendee's airfare, lodging, meals allowance and admittance to the=20 expo, Commission Chairwoman Candice Trummell said the county should=20 not be paying Kulkin's way. "I know it's not going to be popular, but=20 I don't think it's fair for us to be sending someone who consistently=20 blasts the county," Trummell said. Kulkin for more than a year has had occasional flashpoints with the=20 county commission and regional planning commission, typically when he=20 brings forward an idea for improvement. Host of a local TV call-in=20 show, Kulkin often lambastes the commissioners for their actions. "If=20 it wasn't for his persistence and bugging me I wouldn't have found=20 out about the amusement park convention," said Commissioner Cox. She=20 gave Kulkin credit for his idea "to bring in tourist dollars." Trummell retorted, "We're fortunate in Pahrump to have an active=20 citizenry. I'm grateful for having citizens involved, but that=20 doesn't mean we should send them on an all-expenses-paid trip." Commissioner Joni Eastley said that approval of Kulkin's going on the=20 trip would be "polarizing," both on the board of commissioners and in=20 Pahrump. Eastley said Kulkin "has a greater role to play to move this=20 forward by garnishing support for the amusement park through his TV=20 show." Cox came back, saying, "I'm going to motion to approve, even though I=20 know it won't pass." She mentioned resident Bob Howard's recent=20 suggestions to the commissioners for new sales taxes and for=20 reconsideration of the Calvada Eye for county offices. "But that=20 didn't cost anything," she said in response to Trummell's comparison=20 to Kulkin's suggestion. "The reason I wanted Harley's involvement is=20 that he truly understands the issue." Kulkin first floated the idea for Nye World about a year and a-half=20 ago as a way to make the county more independent of tax revenue and=20 federal grants. He has been working on demonstrating its feasibility=20 ever since. "It's not a personality conflict," said Cox. "We reward=20 employees for bringing ideas forward . . ." "If we send this individual, I do not have faith that there's not=20 going to be some negative things said (on Kulkin's TV show)," said=20 Trummell. "It's about who is an appropriate representative." Cox made a second motion after not getting a second for her first=20 motion, this time to approve sending only Ann Barron and herself.=20 Commissioner Midge Carver seconded the motion and it passed 4-1,=20 Trummell voting in the negative. If Nye World ever comes to pass, the theme park would hardly be an=20 original idea, though it might be a moneymaking one. The US is home=20 to more theme parks and family-oriented entertainment centers than=20 any other county in the world. More than 50 years ago, Disneyland=20 inaugurated the idea with its travel-fantasy themed rides, spawning=20 6F Over Texas in 1961 and some 29 other 6F knockoff parks around the=20 nation. Closer to home, Buffalo Bill's Wild West Resort opened in 1994 in=20 Primm, a western-themed hotel-casino 40 miles west of Las Vegas on=20 the California border. It features a 210' "super coaster," reportedly=20 the world's tallest. 2 years ago, the Las Vegas Convention and=20 Visitors Authority opened a new visitor information center in Primm,=20 just off I-15 next to Fashion Outlets of Las Vegas. -------- =A9 Pahrump Valley Times, 1997 - 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 10:42:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64494 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 18:42:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:29:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 18:29:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:29:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point searches for talent for 2006 season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wLXnOBVxNajCEQtVe3EWkAU-g9l7FrIUWH3vcbLqPJXhD0U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 5, 2005 Port Clinton News Herald http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051105/NEWS01/511050322/1002/NEWS01 Sandusky, OH -- Cedar Point amusement park and resort is searching=20 for talented entertainers and technicians to fill more than 100 jobs=20 in the park's Live Entertainment Divison for the 2006 season. Representatives from CP will be holding open interviews and auditions=20 from 3:30-6:00p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 8, at Bowling Green State University=20 in the University Hall. The Live Entertainment Division will be looking for the following:=20 Performers including singers, dancers and musicians; musicians=20 including electric and bass guitars, drums, tenor saxophone and=20 keyboard; technicians including stage managers, theatre ushers, sound=20 technicians, lighting technicians, deck crew, costume shop personnel=20 and dressers; and PEANUTS characters to dress in costumes as well as=20 escorts. Applicants must be at least 18 years of age before May 2006 to=20 audition. Each audition piece must be limited to 16 bars. Applicants=20 should select music that is upbeat and shows off their personality=20 and ability to interact with audience members. A CD player and piano=20 will be available, but other instruments and amplifiers are not=20 provided. Interested applicants must bring a typed, 1-page resume=20 with references to the audition. Those who cannot audition in person can send an audio or video tape=20 with resume included to: Cedar Point Live Entertainment, One Cedar=20 Point Drive, Sandusky, OH, 44870. Reporting dates run from late April to mid June, with shows running=20 continuously through late August or early September. For details, call 419-627-2388, send an e-mail to=20 liveshows@cedarpoint.com or online at www.cedarpoint.com ----------- =A92005 News Herald From deathcab4cutieband@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 13:12:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: deathcab4cutieband@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32126 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 21:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 21:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.158) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 21:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15707 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2005 21:12:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20051107211230.15705.qmail@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.45.192.220] by web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:12:30 PST Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:12:30 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Brooke Schneider Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Nye World could bring tourists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242694856; y=gOql1Lb-QvaC6xWchQbcdfkTVes6IYHe0XCS0Qv1lCNngiX_UQ74z1mDJ6eB X-Yahoo-Profile: deathcab4cutieband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds fun. Not really into the Six Flags-ish parks (beside the coasters at= them), and I don't like anywhere near Nevada,=20 Alan wrote:November 4, 2005 Pahrump Valley Times http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/11/04/news/nyeworld.html By PHILLIP GOMEZ Pahrump, NV -- Nye County and the Town of Pahrump are seriously=20 looking into the possibility of bringing a Six-Flags-over-Nye-style=20 amusement park to Pahrump - an Area-51, sci-fi themed park owned and=20 operated by the county. The Nye County Board of Commissioners on Tuesday voted to send one of=20 its members, Commissioner Patricia Cox, and the county's economic=20 development director Ann Barron to Atlanta to attend a week-long=20 trade show and convention, Nov. 14-19, put on by IAAPA. IAAPA is the world's leader in connecting buyers and suppliers in the=20 amusement park industry. Amusement parks, zoos, aquariums, museums,=20 water parks and resorts are represented. The expo is billed as "the=20 one marketplace where amusement and attractions industry leaders,=20 decision makers and visionaries gather to view and explore new=20 amenities for their facilities." More than 1,100 participants are expected to display their exhibits=20 within 1 million gross sq-ft. The estimated attendance at this year's=20 expo is 28,000. The trade show, closed to the general public, is open=20 to its more than 5,000 individual members, amusement park-type=20 facility operators and suppliers. IAAPA supports the industry through=20 programs to improve efficiency, marketing and profitability, while=20 maintaining high professional standards. More than 60 day-long seminars are offered on various aspects of the=20 amusement industry, offering attendees opportunities for developing=20 new ideas to take home with them, according to the association's Web=20 site, www.iaapa.org. The town of Pahrump is sending town board member Laurayne Murray to=20 the expo with the county's representatives. But the originator of the idea for "Nye World," Harley Kulkin, will=20 not be going. Before the commissioners' vote on approving $1,000 for each=20 attendee's airfare, lodging, meals allowance and admittance to the=20 expo, Commission Chairwoman Candice Trummell said the county should=20 not be paying Kulkin's way. "I know it's not going to be popular, but=20 I don't think it's fair for us to be sending someone who consistently=20 blasts the county," Trummell said. Kulkin for more than a year has had occasional flashpoints with the=20 county commission and regional planning commission, typically when he=20 brings forward an idea for improvement. Host of a local TV call-in=20 show, Kulkin often lambastes the commissioners for their actions. "If=20 it wasn't for his persistence and bugging me I wouldn't have found=20 out about the amusement park convention," said Commissioner Cox. She=20 gave Kulkin credit for his idea "to bring in tourist dollars." Trummell retorted, "We're fortunate in Pahrump to have an active=20 citizenry. I'm grateful for having citizens involved, but that=20 doesn't mean we should send them on an all-expenses-paid trip." Commissioner Joni Eastley said that approval of Kulkin's going on the=20 trip would be "polarizing," both on the board of commissioners and in=20 Pahrump. Eastley said Kulkin "has a greater role to play to move this=20 forward by garnishing support for the amusement park through his TV=20 show." Cox came back, saying, "I'm going to motion to approve, even though I=20 know it won't pass." She mentioned resident Bob Howard's recent=20 suggestions to the commissioners for new sales taxes and for=20 reconsideration of the Calvada Eye for county offices. "But that=20 didn't cost anything," she said in response to Trummell's comparison=20 to Kulkin's suggestion. "The reason I wanted Harley's involvement is=20 that he truly understands the issue." Kulkin first floated the idea for Nye World about a year and a-half=20 ago as a way to make the county more independent of tax revenue and=20 federal grants. He has been working on demonstrating its feasibility=20 ever since. "It's not a personality conflict," said Cox. "We reward=20 employees for bringing ideas forward . . ." "If we send this individual, I do not have faith that there's not=20 going to be some negative things said (on Kulkin's TV show)," said=20 Trummell. "It's about who is an appropriate representative." Cox made a second motion after not getting a second for her first=20 motion, this time to approve sending only Ann Barron and herself.=20 Commissioner Midge Carver seconded the motion and it passed 4-1,=20 Trummell voting in the negative. If Nye World ever comes to pass, the theme park would hardly be an=20 original idea, though it might be a moneymaking one. The US is home=20 to more theme parks and family-oriented entertainment centers than=20 any other county in the world. More than 50 years ago, Disneyland=20 inaugurated the idea with its travel-fantasy themed rides, spawning=20 6F Over Texas in 1961 and some 29 other 6F knockoff parks around the=20 nation. Closer to home, Buffalo Bill's Wild West Resort opened in 1994 in=20 Primm, a western-themed hotel-casino 40 miles west of Las Vegas on=20 the California border. It features a 210' "super coaster," reportedly=20 the world's tallest. 2 years ago, the Las Vegas Convention and=20 Visitors Authority opened a new visitor information center in Primm,=20 just off I-15 next to Fashion Outlets of Las Vegas. -------- =A9 Pahrump Valley Times, 1997 - 2005 Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Theme park=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 --------------------------------- =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 14:53:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41813 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 22:53:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 22:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2005 22:53:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:53:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051107211230.15705.qmail@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Nye World could bring tourists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=kaDYuuGml-6m-BpDY0WOmm0u7ZaTovx6lN-YOifZ0bOS1UUw7GGy X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Brooke Schneider=20 wrote: > > Sounds fun. Not really into the Six Flags-ish parks (beside the=20 > coasters at them), and I don't like anywhere near Nevada,=20 I think among the general public, "Six Flags-type theme park" basically=20 just means a theme park with an emphasis on thrill rides. How many visitors does Pahrump get? It's about an hour west of Las=20 Vegas, so I kinda doubt there will be many spillover tourists who are=20 visiting Las Vegas unless they really make the place impressive. So=20 perhaps they're aiming it at Las Vegas locals. It's certainly a big=20 enough metro area to support a large amusement park, and Pahrump is=20 growing fast, but still, that's way out in the boonies.=20 Adam From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Nov 07 18:16:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60664 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 02:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 02:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 02:16:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:15:26 -0800 Message-Id: <200511071815.AA2162622718@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Possible threads for conversation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=AsEI-WYEg_zD-MIW5lkZXVQEF8PvrB1XXYUyELnh4Xia-EsTnCR6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >> I'm really liking the steal-structured woodies. I'm >> thinking that may help bring down some of the maintenance costs. << >I can see them bringing down the maintenance costs on >the structure, but it seems like the track takes a >much worse beating than normal < That really depends on the design and how good the tracking is. The Great Escape Comet ran glass-smooth for several seasons before needing major track work. The Douglas Fir track was a big plus (instead of Southern Yellow Pine, as on most woodies). But the Comet is a simple double-out-and-back design without too many laterals. It's also relatively small (96 ft.) compared to many modern woodies. I don't care what type of track or structure you have, when nine tons of train hits the bottom of a hill at over 60 mph, the amount of force is going to wear out a wood track pretty rapidly. And if the tracking isn't precise, that will make the problem worse. From Bill's pictures of Voyage, that coaster track looks like a CCI job, with random spaces appearing within the laminations. With all the forces that ride will produce, they'll be rebuilding that track every season regardless of what the structure is made out of. But as with everything, I could be wrong. ;-) Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 08 06:00:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35865 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 14:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 14:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 14:00:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 13:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 13:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:59:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.210 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=8Zp9BVjfIMu8kYMZSS5sAXrm4diLrtnBQNvcdcTwemT_5liTiGo X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred November 07, 2005 05:49 PM US Eastern Timezone=20 Six Flags Reports Nine Months and Third Quarter Results; Strong,=20 Broad-Based Performance Demonstrates Successful Implementation of=20 Investment Program, Guest Service Initiatives, and Advertising=20 Campaign=20 NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 7, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. (NYSE: PKS):=20 -- Company Affirms Full Year Outlook and Expects Similar EBITDA=20 Growth in 2006=20 -- Comments on Progress in Sale Process=20 Six Flags, Inc. (the "Company") (NYSE: PKS) announced today its=20 results of operations for the nine months and quarter ended September=20 30, 2005.=20 Kieran E. Burke, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, stated "We=20 have now concluded our operating season at all of our parks, with the=20 exception of weekend and holiday operations in three markets. We have=20 achieved strong, broad-based performance of our parks this quarter=20 and for the year to date period, as well as the solid results that we=20 enjoyed in our October operations. These impressive results reflect=20 the successful implementation of our investment program, our ongoing=20 guest service initiatives, and year two of our new advertising=20 campaign. We are confident, given the breadth of this improvement,=20 that we have set the stage for continued growth in the future through=20 the continued application of our operating plan."=20 The results of operations reflect the reclassification as=20 discontinued operations for all periods presented of the operations,=20 assets and liabilities of Six Flags AstroWorld in Houston, which was=20 permanently closed at the end of the 2005 season. Prior period=20 results have been reclassified to classify AstroWorld as discontinued=20 operations, in order to provide meaningful year over year=20 comparisons.=20 Nine Month Results=20 For the first nine months of 2005, revenues were $977.9 million,=20 compared to $893.2 million for the comparable period of 2004, an=20 increase of $84.7 million, or 9.5%. Attendance for the period=20 increased 1.6 million, or 5.6%, while total revenue per capita=20 increased by 3.6% to $32.49.=20 Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization=20 and non-cash compensation, were $735.4 million in the 2005 nine-month=20 period, as compared to $693.2 million in the prior-year period.=20 Excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation, cash=20 operating costs and expenses were $626.1 million in 2005 and $587.8=20 million in 2004, an increase of 6.5%, primarily reflecting increased=20 cost of goods sold as a result of significantly higher sales volumes,=20 as well as planned increases in operating expenses to enhance the=20 guest experience at the Company's parks.=20 EBITDA (Modified) was $351.8 million in the 2005 period as compared=20 to $305.3 million in the 2004 period. Adjusted EBITDA for the 2005=20 period was $304.1 million compared to $259.5 million in 2004. (See=20 note 3 to the following table for a discussion of EBITDA (Modified)=20 and Adjusted EBITDA, and for a reconciliation of these amounts to net=20 income (loss))=20 Income from continuing operations was $27.9 million in the first nine=20 months of 2005 as compared to a loss from continuing operations of=20 $(67.7) million in the 2004 period. Net income was $28.1 million in=20 the 2005 period, as compared to a loss of $355.3 million in the 2004=20 period. Net income applicable to common stock was $11.6 million, as=20 compared to a loss of $371.8 million in the 2004 period. The loss in=20 the 2004 period reflects the effect of a loss from discontinued=20 operations of $287.6 million arising out of the sales of our=20 Cleveland and European parks, the impact of a non-cash impairment=20 loss of $14.4 million associated with the Company's investment in the=20 Madrid park we managed prior to November 2004 and related assets and=20 a loss on early repurchase of debt of $31.9 million. The 2005 period=20 reflects the effect of a loss on early repurchase of debt of $19.3=20 million. The 2004 loss also reflects the impact of a valuation=20 allowance of $39.2 million recorded in the 2004 period with respect=20 to the Company's domestic deferred tax asset, which had the effect of=20 increasing book tax expense for the period by the amount of the=20 allowance. Because we generated taxable income in the 2005 period, we=20 were able to reverse a portion of the tax allowance that had been=20 established in 2004, resulting in a lower tax expense for the 2005=20 period. Had that reversal not occurred, the income tax expense for=20 2005 would have been $9.9 million. (See note 2 to the following=20 table)=20 Three Month Results=20 Revenues for the 2005 third quarter were $559.0 million, compared to=20 $509.0 million for the comparable quarter of 2004, an increase of=20 $50.0 million, or 9.8%. The 2005 performance reflects an increase in=20 attendance of 659,200, or 4.0% and an increase in per capita revenues=20 of 5.5%.=20 Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization=20 and non-cash compensation, were $293.0 million in the 2005 quarter=20 and $272.1 million in the year ago period. Excluding depreciation,=20 amortization and non-cash compensation, cash operating costs and=20 expenses were $255.4 million in the third quarter of 2005, as=20 compared to $236.5 million in the prior-year quarter, an increase of=20 8.0%.=20 EBITDA (Modified) was $303.6 million in the third quarter of 2005=20 compared to $272.5 million in the 2004 quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for=20 the third quarter of 2005 was $277.3 million compared to $245.3=20 million in the third quarter of 2004.=20 Income from continuing operations before tax was $194.6 million in=20 the third quarter of 2005 as compared to $151.1 million in the 2004=20 period. Net income for the quarter was $195.7 million, or $1.29 per=20 diluted share. Net income for the 2004 quarter was $56.4 million, or=20 $0.53 per diluted share. Earnings per share in the 2005 quarter=20 reflects the dilutive effect for the quarter of the Company's 4.5%=20 Convertible Notes Due 2015 issued in November 2004 and the Company's=20 convertible preferred stock. Earnings per share for the 2004 period=20 reflects the dilutive effect of Company's convertible preferred=20 stock. The 2005 net income and earnings per share reflect the benefit=20 of the reversal of the tax valuation allowance which reduced tax=20 expense for the period by $70.0 million. In addition, the 2004 period=20 reflects the impact of the Madrid impairment and the $39.2 million=20 tax valuation allowance discussed above. (See note 2 to the following=20 table)=20 Outlook=20 Kieran Burke said, "Given our strong nine-month performance and our=20 solid October results, we are confident that we will achieve Adjusted=20 EBITDA for the full year of at least $300 million, including the=20 performance of AstroWorld, representing at least 16% year over year=20 growth. We expect to have full year revenue growth at virtually every=20 park, underscoring the strength of our performance and the soundness=20 of our operating plan.=20 Next year, we will be introducing several exciting new rides and=20 attractions as part of a $125 million capital program that will see=20 thrill and family additions to a number of parks. These additions=20 will include four great new coasters - one each in New Jersey,=20 Montreal, Atlanta and Los Angeles, including our blockbuster Tatsu=20 coaster in Los Angeles and the GOLIATH hypercoaster in Atlanta. We=20 will also debut several family-oriented rides and children's sections=20 in other parks. In addition, we are on track with our plans to open=20 the Six Flags Great Escape Lodge & Indoor Waterpark this winter,=20 which we will manage and in which we will have a 41% ownership=20 interest. This capital program is fully committed, is under=20 construction and will be ready for the 2006 season. These new=20 attractions will build upon the momentum of this season, and, as we=20 continue our focus on excellent guest experience at our parks and=20 solid marketing, should position us to continue our strong=20 performance into 2006. As a result, we anticipate achieving $340=20 million in Adjusted EBITDA in 2006, with attendance growth of=20 approximately 3.5-4% and revenue growth of approximately 6.5-7%."=20 As previously announced, the AstroWorld theme park in Houston has=20 been permanently closed as of the end of the 2005 season, and the=20 Company has engaged Cushman & Wakefield to market the 104-acre site=20 to the real estate development community. The Company expects that a=20 sale will yield significant proceeds given the property's size and=20 location within a revitalized and dynamic area of the city and its=20 proximity to so many of Houston's civic, healthcare and business=20 enterprises. Proceeds from the sale will be used for debt reduction=20 and, subject to bank lender consent, general corporate purposes.=20 Sale Process Update=20 Kieran Burke also said "as previously announced, the Board initiated=20 a sale process for the Company that it believes is the best way to=20 deliver full and fair value to all Six Flags stockholders at this=20 time, particularly in light of the Company's strong 2005 broad-based=20 performance. We are pleased with the progress of the sale process. We=20 have received initial bids from a number of capable prospective=20 financial and strategic buyers. We are targeting early December to=20 receive final bids. We remain confident that, unless the sale process=20 is disrupted, we will end up with an attractive transaction that we=20 will be recommending to stockholders before the end of December."=20 The Company will hold a teleconference at 10:00 a.m. EST on Tuesday,=20 November 8, 2005 for interested investors, analysts and portfolio=20 managers. Listeners in the U.S. and Canada should dial 877-375-2162=20 at least 10 minutes prior to the start of the conference. Listeners=20 outside the U.S. or Canada should dial 973-582-2734. The conference=20 ID number is 6663183. A playback of the call will be available one=20 hour after the conclusion of the live call, extending until midnight=20 on November 15, 2005. To directly access the replay, dial 877-519- 4471 (U.S./Canadian listeners) or 973-341-3080 (international=20 listeners).=20 The teleconference will also be broadcast live as a listen-only Web=20 cast on www.sixflags.com and www.fulldisclosure.com. The Web cast=20 will be archived for one year.=20 Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company.=20 The information contained in this news release, other than historical=20 information, consists of forward-looking statements within the=20 meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the=20 Securities Exchange Act. These statements may involve risks and=20 uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially=20 from those described in such statements. Although the Company=20 believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking=20 statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such=20 expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors,=20 including factors impacting attendance, such as local conditions,=20 events, disturbances and terrorist activities, risks of accidents=20 occurring at the Company's parks, adverse weather conditions, general=20 economic conditions (including consumer spending patterns and=20 interest rate levels), competition, pending, threatened or future=20 legal proceedings and other factors could cause actual results to=20 differ materially from the Company's expectations. Reference is made=20 to a more complete discussion of forward-looking statements and=20 applicable risks contained under the captions "Cautionary Note=20 Regarding Forward-Looking Statements" and "Business - Risk Factors"=20 in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended=20 December 31, 2004, which is available free of charge on the Company's=20 website (www.sixflags.com).=20 This release and prior releases are available on the Company's=20 website at www.sixflags.com.=20 Six Flags, Inc. Statement of Operations Data (1) Three and Nine Months Ended September 30, 2005 (In Thousands, Except Per Share Amounts) (Unaudited) Three Months ended Nine Months ended September 30, September 30,=20=20 Statement of Operations Data ----------------- ------------------- 2005 2004 2005 2004 -------- -------- --------- --------- Theme park admissions 305,662 276,074 529,903 480,185 Theme park food, merchandise and other 253,307 232,938 447,956 412,976 -------- -------- --------- --------- Total revenue $558,969 $509,012 $ 977,859 $ 893,161 Costs and expenses (excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation) 255,353 236,481 626,074 587,817 Depreciation 37,263 35,088 108,038 103,925 Amortization 222 323 667 976 Non-cash compensation 166 160 620 482 -------- -------- --------- --------- Income from operations 265,965 236,960 242,460 199,961 Interest expense (45,962) (46,668) (139,670) (148,453) Interest income 1,831 1,873 5,019 2,635 Minority interest in earnings (25,060) (25,814) (44,028) (41,696) Early repurchase of debt - (490) (19,303) (31,862) Other expense (2,188) (14,803) (12,932) (19,354) -------- -------- --------- --------- Income (loss) from continuing operations before income taxes 194,586 151,058 31,546 (38,769) Income tax expense 368 98,673 3,671 28,916 -------- -------- --------- --------- Income (loss) from continuing operations 194,218 52,385 27,875 (67,685) Discontinued operations, net of tax expense of $902 (three months) and $120 (nine months) in 2005 and $2,442 (three months) and tax benefit of ($57,406) (nine months) in 2004 1,470 3,982 195 (287,593) -------- -------- --------- --------- Net income (loss) $195,688 $ 56,367 $ 28,070 $(355,278) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Net income (loss) applicable to common stock $190,195 $ 50,874 $ 11,592 $(371,756) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Per share - basic: Income (loss) from continuing operations $ 2.03 $ 0.50 $ 0.12 $ (0.90) Discontinued operations, net of tax 0.01 0.05 - (3.10) -------- -------- --------- --------- Net income (loss) $ 2.04 $ 0.55 $ 0.12 $ (4.00) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Per share - diluted: Income (loss) from continuing operations $ 1.28 $ 0.49 $ 0.12 $ (0.90) Discontinued operations, net of tax 0.01 0.04 - (3.10) -------- -------- --------- --------- Net income (loss) $ 1.29 $ 0.53 $ 0.12 $ (4.00) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Other Data: Income (loss) from continuing operations before impairment charge, effect of valuation allowance, valuation allowance reversal and loss on early repurchase of debt (2) $124,199 $106,298 $ 24,498 $ (10,800) Income (loss) from continuing operations per share before impairment charge, valuation allowance, valuation allowance reversal and loss on early repurchase of debt (2) $ 0.83 $ 1.00 $ 0.26 $ (0.12) EBITDA (Modified)(3) $303,616 $272,531 $ 351,785 $ 305,344 Adjusted EBITDA (3) $277,336 $245,346 $ 304,097 $ 259,535 Average weighted shares outstanding - basic 93,107 93,042 93,106 93,034 Average weighted shares outstanding - diluted 154,051 106,831 93,106 93,034 Net cash provided by (used in) operating activities $186,216 $129,409 $ 211,362 $ 114,659 Balance Sheet Data (In Thousands) September December Balance Sheet Data 30, 2005 31, 2004 ----------- ---------- (Unaudited) Cash and cash equivalents $ 116,379 $ 68,807 Total assets 3,605,225 3,642,227 Current portion of long-term debt (excluding debt Called for repayment) 16,018 24,394 Long-term debt (excluding current portion) 2,131,490 2,125,121 Mandatorily redeemable preferred stock 283,090 282,245 Total stockholders' equity 843,231 826,065 (1) Revenues and expenses of international operations are converted into dollars on a current basis as provided by accounting principles generally accepted in the United States ("GAAP"). (2) The Company's reported results include items of income and expense that the Company believes are typically excluded by securities analysts in their published estimates for the Company's financial results. These excluded items include gains and losses on early repurchases of debt and effects of deferred tax asset valuation allowances. The following tables set forth the calculation of net income (loss) and net income (loss) per common share before giving effect to those excluded items and before discontinued operations and the Madrid impairment charge in the case of the 2004 periods. This measure is not defined by GAAP and should not be considered in isolation or as an alternative to net income (loss), income (loss) from continuing operations, net cash provided by (used in) operating, investing and financing activities or other financial data prepared in accordance with GAAP or as an indicator of the Company's operating performance. (In thousands) -------------------------------------- Three Months ended Nine Months ended September 30, September 30, -------------------- ----------------- 2005 2004 2005 2004 ---------- --------- ------- --------- (Unaudited) Net income (loss) (a) $ 195,688 56,367 $ 11,592 (371,756) Discontinued operations, net of tax (1,470) (3,982) (195) 287,593 Impairment charge relating to Madrid park - 14,363 - 14,363 Effect of valuation allowance - 39,246 - 39,246 Effect of reversal of valuation allowance (70,019) - (6,202) - Early repurchase of debt - 490 19,303 31,862 Income tax benefit from early repurchase of debt - (186) - (12,108) ---------- -------- -------- --------- Income (loss) from continuing operations before impairment charge, effect of valuation allowance, valuation allowance reversal and loss on early repurchase of debt $ 124,199 106,298 $ 24,498 (10,800) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (a) applicable to common stock for nine month periods=20 Income (loss) Per Share ----------------------- (In thousands) ------------------------------- Three Months Nine Months ended ended September 30, September 30, --------------- --------------- 2005 2004 2005 2004 ------- ------- ------- ------- (Unaudited) Net income (loss) (a) $ 1.29 0.53 $ 0.12 (4.00) Discontinued operations, net of tax (0.01) (0.04) - 3.10 Impairment charge relating to Madrid park - 0.13 - 0.15 Effect of valuation allowance - 0.37 - 0.42 Effect of reversal of valuation allowance (0.45) - (0.07) - Early repurchase of debt - 0.01 0.21 0.34 Income tax benefit from early repurchase of debt - - - (0.13) ------- ------- ------- ------- Income (loss) from continuing=20 operations before impairment=20 charge, effect of valuation=20 allowance, valuation allowance=20 reversal and loss on early repurchase of debt $ 0.83 1.00 0.26 (0.12) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (a) applicable to common stock for nine month periods (3) EBITDA (Modified) is defined as net income (loss), before discontinued operations (net of tax) income tax expense (benefit), other expense, early repurchase of debt (formerly extraordinary loss), minority interest in earnings, interest expense (net), amortization, depreciation and non-cash compensation. Adjusted EBITDA is defined as EBITDA (Modified) minus the interest of third parties in EBITDA of the four parks that are less than wholly owned. The Company believes that EBITDA (Modified) and Adjusted EBITDA (collectively, the "EBITDA-Based Measures") provide useful information to investors regarding the Company's operating performance and its capacity to incur and service debt and fund capital expenditures. The Company believes that the EBITDA-Based Measures are used by many investors, equity analysts and rating agencies as a measure of performance. In addition, Adjusted EBITDA is approximately equal to "Consolidated Cash Flow" as defined in the indentures relating to the Company's senior notes. Neither of the EBITDA-Based Measures is defined by GAAP and neither should be considered in isolation or as an alternative to net income (loss), income (loss) from continuing operations, net cash provided by (used in) operating, investing and financing activities or other financial data prepared in accordance with GAAP or as an indicator of the Company's operating performance. The following table sets forth a reconciliation of net income (loss) to EBITDA (Modified) and Adjusted EBITDA for the periods shown (in thousands). (In thousands) ------------------------------------ Three Months ended Nine Months ended September 30, September 30, ------------------ ----------------- 2005 2004 2005 2004 -------- --------- ------- --------- (Unaudited) Net income (loss) $195,688 56,367 $ 28,070 (355,278) Discontinued operations, inclusive of tax benefit (1,470) (3,982) (195) 287,593 Income tax expense (benefit) 368 98,673 3,671 28,916 Other expense 2,188 14,803 12,932 19,354 Early repurchase of debt - 490 19,303 31,862 Minority interest in earnings 25,060 25,814 44,028 41,696 Interest expense (net) 44,131 44,795 134,651 145,818 Amortization 222 323 667 976 Depreciation 37,263 35,088 108,038 103,925 Non-cash compensation 166 160 620 482 -------- -------- -------- --------- EBITDA (Modified) 303,616 272,531 351,785 305,344 Third party interest in EBITDA of certain parks(a) (26,280) (27,185) (47,688) (45,809) -------- -------- -------- --------- Adjusted EBITDA $277,336 245,346 $304,097 259,535 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Company is not able as of this date to provide a reliable estimate of its income tax expense (benefit) and other income (expense) for the years ending December 31, 2005 and 2006. Therefore, a reliable estimate of its net loss for those years is not available. Accordingly, the following table sets forth a reconciliation of expected income from continuing operations for those years to expected EBITDA (Modified) and expected Adjusted EBITDA for each such year. Since the EBITDA-Based Measures are calculated before income taxes and other expense, the absence of estimates with respect to these items would not affect the expected EBITDA-Based Measures presented. For 2005, expected interest expense (net) is approximately $185,000,000 and expected minority interest in earnings is approximately $39,000,000. For 2006, expected interest expense (net) is approximately $185,000,000 and expected minority interest in earnings is approximately $42,000,000. Year Ending December 31, ------------------------- 2005 2006 ------------ ------------ (In thousands) Income from operations $ 186,300 227,000 Non-cash compensation 800 1,000 Amortization 900 1,000 Depreciation 156,000 158,000 ------------ ------------ EBITDA (Modified) 344,000 387,000 Third-party interest in EBITDA of certain parks(a) (44,000) (47,000) ------------ ------------ Adjusted EBITDA $ 300,000 340,000 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (a) Represents interest of third parties in EBITDA of Six Flags Over Georgia, Six Flags Over Texas, Six Flags White Water Atlanta and Six Flags Marine World. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Nov 08 06:04:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72738 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 14:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 14:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 14:04:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 14:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 14:03:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:03:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.210 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=Xe5Q0TywR9C27X_SpGicSLhlHRVzWSjgItCGMfm8w3mOsVxuDjw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Steel plant's business on fast track=20 Roller coaster manufacturer keeps innovating By Anna Guido Enquirer contributor BATAVIA - In the history of roller coasters, a small steel plant just=20 east of Cincinnati plays a big role. Clermont Steel Fabricators on Old State Route 32 has been the sole=20 manufacturer since 1990 of world-renowned, Swiss-engineered Bolliger=20 & Mabillard roller coasters. B&M coasters are known for their smooth and comfortable rides and are=20 in amusement parks in the United States, Canada, Asia, the Middle=20 East and other parts of the world. The secret to the smooth B&M coaster ride is precision engineering=20 matched by precision manufacturing, according to industry experts. "It's Swiss engineering," Clermont Steel Vice President Ken Miller=20 said matter-of-factly but also giving his own workers credit. "We=20 follow along and fabricate precisely. And we do a lot of testing." Neither Clermont Steel nor B&M allow much tolerance for error in the=20 drawings - plus or minus 1 millimeter - which is why B&M coasters are=20 considered tops in the industry, Miller said. "If you're a general manager of an amusement park, and you're putting=20 together a Christmas list, a B&M coaster will be on it," said Jack=20 Falfas, chief operating officer for Cedar Fair LP, parent company of=20 more than a dozen U.S. amusement parks and water parks with B&M=20 coasters. "Everybody wants a B&M - that's our standard of quality. They're just=20 great coasters." Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, and Dorney Park in Allentown, Pa., are=20 among Cedar Fair parks with B&M coasters. Paramount's Kings Island does not have a B&M coaster, mostly due to=20 the non-compete rights of other B&M coaster buyers, according to=20 Miller. Clermont Steel has manufactured several roller coaster "firsts" for=20 B&M, including floorless models such as "Hydra The Revenge" at Dorney=20 Park. This coaster was unveiled in May and features seven twists,=20 rolls, drops and spirals. One 95-foot-high lift hill is followed by a 53-mile-per-hour plunge. Another first for B&M and Clermont Steel was the SheiKra "dive=20 coaster" at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay in Florida. This coaster features a record-breaking 90-degree vertical dive from=20 200 feet and is the only dive coaster in the U.S. SheiKra also is the=20 tallest of only three dive coasters in the world and the first to=20 incorporate an Immelmann loop (a rolling maneuver named for a World=20 War I flying ace), a second dive from 138 feet into an underground=20 tunnel and a water-feature finale. "Part of the magic in these roller coasters is B&M's ability to=20 design a very smooth roller coaster and Clermont Steel's ability to=20 fabricate it in that exact alignment," said Mark Rose, vice president=20 of design and engineering for Busch Gardens Tampa Bay. "Other=20 manufacturers don't have the ability to fabricate exactly as it is on=20 paper - it's a real trick," Rose said. U.S. manufacturing of B&M coasters happened by chance. "B&M wanted to=20 manufacture in the United States - that's what drew us here in the=20 first place," said Robert Mampe, U.S. rep for the Monthey,=20 Switzerland, company. But what kept B&M with Clermont Steel is the "real story," Mampe=20 said. "It's the expertise and craftsmanship of the employees.=20 Building a roller coaster is no easy task - it's very important to=20 execute the design." Many workers at Clermont Steel have been there for years, including=20 Miller, who started with the company as a laborer in 1973, the same=20 year he graduated from Colerain High School. At the time, Clermont Steel was known as Southern Ohio Fabricators,=20 and its focus was industrial and commercial buildings. Roller coasters became the company's manufacturing focus when Miller=20 and "a small group of investors" bought the assets of Southern Ohio=20 Fabricators in July 2004. The decision to switch from building steel structures to steel roller=20 coasters wasn't difficult, Miller said, because roller coaster work=20 is "unique, so precise and fun." Clermont Steel makes several roller coasters a year. The company=20 fabricates the entire coaster - everything from the supports and=20 track to the cars - and it takes four to six months to complete one. Clermont Steel currently is working on four new coasters for U.S.=20 amusement parks. All Miller could say is that the four new rides will=20 be in parks in 2006 that currently have B&M coasters. Miller said the company has remained profitable since it was=20 purchased last year and is continuing - although on a limited basis -=20 its work on steel structures. (FROM: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051107/BIZ01/511070328/1076/BIZ) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 07:03:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49155 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 15:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 15:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 15:03:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:01:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:01:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Iraq plans hotel and theme parks for a tourism boom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FOOlO9K098U7clBL0XtKazNdUmpyafI04lI5hD0-ttJOPeU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8 November 2005 Independent News http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article325277.ece By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad=20 IRAQ -- A =A348m, 5-star, 23-storey hotel rising in the city centre; an=20 opulent palace complex being turned into a theme park; cheap flights=20 to the picturesque "Venice of the east" - all the trappings of a=20 country gearing up for a tourist boom. Except the country in question is Iraq. With a new constitution and=20 elections in the offing, officials insist there is a new beginning.=20 The tourist board has 2,400 staff and 14 offices. There has been a rise in the volume of travellers, with Iraqis either=20 leaving or expatriates returning for visits. And there is also the=20 continuous and steady number of foreigners, mainly contractors,=20 coming in for the huge wages they can now command for working in such=20 a risky environment. The planned hotel is very much at an embryonic stage. The land - in=20 the heavily guarded Green Zone - has been donated by the Iraqi=20 government, and the finance is being provided by an Iraqi businessman. Thair Feeley, of the Iraqi Commission for Investment, insists=20 everything is in place. "It is not true that it will be a 5-star=20 hotel," he says with a flourish, "but 7 1/2 stars". The hotel is intended to have the usual accoutrements: plush suites,=20 business centres, conference halls and a golf range. However, this is=20 Iraq and Feeley is not keen to make more details of the structure=20 public for "security reasons". Nor is he willing to reveal the name=20 of the businessman, again for "security reasons". The building will have to be built to withstand mortar and rocket=20 attack, just as the one major existing hotel in the Green Zone, Al=20 Rashid, was built to do. Despite the carnage outside and its shabby=20 appearance, the Rashid can still charge $150 (=A386) a night. Another plan is to turn Saddam Hussein's former palaces at his home=20 town of Tikrit into a themed tourist destination. The complex, which=20 contains 18 palaces and 118 other buildings, is surrounded by rolling=20 gardens overlooking the Tigris. Mohammed Abbas, a regional official, said: "Ordinary Iraqis were=20 never allowed into these palaces. It will be an opportunity for them=20 to see how their money was spent. International visitors will also be=20 able to see the kind of lifestyle Saddam enjoyed." Basra in the south has already officially declared itself open for=20 tourism. But, says an official: "Tourists should dress like locals=20 and maybe dye their hair. And they should have armed guards and they=20 should be always vigilant." ------------- =A9 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 07:21:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28830 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 15:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 15:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 15:21:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:20:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:20:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man-made islet to boost tourism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cP-THSwC0SjYOweGB4wLj_AA8rvQT_SaCNy7VELH696FxAg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 6, 2005 New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/National/20051107080722/ Article/indexb_html by Ajitpal Singh=20 KUALA, TERENGGANU, Malaysia -- A theme park, resort and commercial=20 complexes. These are some of the proposals by several parties to the=20 State Government to develop a 6-hectare man- made island in the=20 middle of Sungai Terengganu.=20 The island, to be known as Pulau Pasir, will be created from=20 sediments, mostly sand, dredged from the river's estuary. It is part of the RM200 million Kuala Terengganu Heritage Waterfront=20 project to turn Terengganu into a tourist destination. The State Drainage & Irrigation Department is in charge of creating=20 the island, which comes under the RM50 million budget to deepen the=20 estuary. The island will stretch from Kedai Pasar Payang in Syahbandar to the=20 Seri Malaysia Hotel, a distance of about 1.5km, bordering the Kampung=20 Cina waterfront here. However, the approval of the proposed projects is subject to the=20 Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) report, to be completed in 2=20 weeks. State Unity, Consumer Affairs and Environment Committee chairman Toh=20 Chin Yaw said the projects would boost tourism in Terengganu. "The=20 island, to be connected to the mainland by a bridge, will be the=20 first of its kind in Terengganu," he said today. "We have received several proposals including the construction of a=20 theme park similar to Disneyland, a resort and commercial complexes,"=20 he said. He said the State Government was keen to develop the place into a=20 theme park but was looking into other suggestions. Toh, who is Bandar State Assemblyman, said affected residents,=20 especially in Kampung Cina, had responded to the creation of the=20 island and proposed development projects. "The 1.5km navigation=20 channel between the Kampung Cina waterfront and the man-made island=20 will be dredged to make it deeper to allow for commercial and=20 recreational water traffic such as cargo ships, tour boats, ferries=20 and sailboats," he said. He said the waterfront would also be reclaimed soon to allow for the=20 construction of a walkway. ---------- =A9 2004 NST Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 07:23:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65320 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 15:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 15:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 15:23:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:13:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:13:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Major advertising push will relaunch SeaWorld's icon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gk8atdCWs-tVm9dWj4G4-WhfJtzQbFKW4gOoOmYP4EI11Ok X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 4, 2005 Orlando Business Jouranl http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2005/11/07/story3.html? t=3Dprintable by Bob Mervine ORLANDO, FL -- SeaWorld's new killer whale show, "Believe," announced=20 last month, is more than another razzle-dazzle live action theme park=20 addition. The show is part of a multimillion-dollar brand overhaul, focused on=20 refreshing the 41-y.o. image of Shamu, SW's signature attraction. Spotlighting Shamu is as important for SW as Disney's Mickey Mouse=20 character in terms of raising awareness and possibly creating a cult=20 brand, says branding expert Bolivar J. Bueno, co-author with Matthew=20 Ragas of The Power of Cult Branding. "All advertising is a shortcut,"=20 Bueno explains. "When people see the golden arches, they think of all=20 the things they associate with McDonald's. The same with Disney and=20 with SW and Shamu." He says a focus on Shamu should take customers back to what made SW=20 famous. "It will be interesting to see if they can capture the=20 experience. The smiling little girl touching the whale, that's what=20 they have to capture." Shamu, now a registered trademark, was the name of the first killer=20 whale at SW in California. Today, Shamu has his own Web site (www.shamu.com) with a live whale=20 cam. The 9 whales at SW have stage names such as Shamu, Namu, Kandu=20 and Baby Shamu, but any can perform as Shamu. "The character lives=20 beyond the show," says Fred Jacobs, Busch Entertainment Corp.'s=20 communications director. Nationwide launch This March, Busch will launch a major ad campaign promoting SW parks=20 in Orlando, San Diego and San Antonio. The ads and the new show will=20 reintroduce Shamu as a key component of the parks. "It's the relaunch=20 of the Shamu brand," says Jim Atchison, SW Orlando's executive=20 VP. "This is a significant investment for (Busch Entertainment).=20 We're spending millions on the show in all 3 locations, millions on=20 our park additions and millions more on an aggressive national=20 advertising campaign." In addition to the show, a new line of Shamu-branded merchandise is=20 being developed. For instance, a new Shamu-themed roller coaster, one=20 of the 3 new attractions in the Orlando park designed for kids and=20 adults to ride together, is being introduced locally. Atchison says the parks will also be filled with Shamu moments, from=20 banners and characters to colorful flower beds. "We're going to=20 leverage this in every way we can," he says. Really big show Laura Surovik has spent 21 years with her whales. She knows them by=20 name and by physical characteristics, like a droopy dorsal fin or a=20 beauty mark on the face. She and her team of trainers have spent 2=20 years developing more than 100 new behaviors for these huge=20 creatures - the largest of which weighs nearly 6 tons. Several times a day the team cavorts with the animals in a training=20 pool. Sometimes the choreography of their moves appears, to the=20 untrained eye, to be risky interactions involving a delicate balance=20 between human and animal. One new move, "Unity," involves 2 whales with trainers standing on=20 their noses who slowly approach each other, culminating in the=20 trainers touching hands. In another, "The Waltz," the trainer and the=20 whale appear to dance lightly around the chilly saltwater pool. More moves, such as the "Back Atcha," "Share the Joy" and "Passing=20 the Torch" will be combined with a brand new set, a classical-style=20 musical score, costumes and special effects. The company calls the=20 project the most ambitious in its history. Four 20', high-tech, tilting and whirling LED screens and underwater=20 cameras will take the new 15-minute, extremely interactive=20 show "beyond entertainment and into the audience's heart," says=20 Surovik. "It's a story line about believing in yourself." Dave Smith, Busch's corporate VP of entertainment, says the Shamu=20 show is the No. 1 part of the park experience. In the best of show business tradition, during the next 5 months of=20 renovation, the show will go on. When the main pool is unavailable,=20 Smith says other training pools will be utilized, even if only part=20 of the show can be performed. Three new rides=20 3 new rides in Orlando will be part of the Shamu Happy Harbor play=20 area. It's more than just a place for adults to sit and watch their=20 kids burn off energy, says Atchison. He says all 3 rides are designed=20 to allow parents to ride with small children and share the experience. The Shamu roller coaster is a modified Zierer ride that has been=20 lengthened to 827' to provide a longer and better ride experience.=20 Also being added are Zamperia tea cups, customized in the shape of=20 oversized sea shells whirling around a giant sand castle, and a=20 Zamperia Samba tower with vehicles in the shape of jellyfish that=20 spin around the central tower. "It's important to us that the family=20 can stay together," he says. Art Freeman, a marine life park consultant who spent 26 years with=20 SW, says, "I think the Shamu show has been back-burnered for a while." Busch's Smith acknowledges the show has not been upgraded in 15=20 years. "During that time," he says, "the way entertainment is=20 delivered in Orlando has changed. We have to keep up." During the last decade, says Freeman, the park has expanded and been=20 enhanced with rides and roller coasters. More retail and restaurant=20 space and new shows such as Mistify, a nighttime laser and light=20 extravaganza, have been added while others, such as Blue Horizons,=20 have been upgraded. "Doing a spectacular new Shamu show will remind=20 people what SW has always been about," he says. ---------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:26:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:26:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:26:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Siemens, Disney in 12-yr technology, sponsor deal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VIjWigpE3jzVkARR9sKr3STA92u_c0q0nUDIaE9yQrxSjF4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 8, 2005 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051108/tc_nm/media_siemens_waltdisney_dc_2 NEW YORK, NY -- German engineering group Siemens AG and Walt Disney Co.=20 on Tuesday said they have formed a 12-year strategic alliance that=20 paves the way to broaden their technological collaboration. As part of the deal, Siemens will sponsor several rides and attractions=20 at Walt Disney World Resort and the two companies will work together to=20 develop and apply new technologies across a range of Disney businesses. ----------- =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 08 07:41:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41773 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 15:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 15:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 15:41:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:38:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2005 15:38:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:38:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland(R) Resort Appoints New Senior VP of Marketing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1moEwrVwAwX3fLtPfiCPjbabDfIpQPe8udj2PE5_YcDHDnw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 8, 2005 Hotel Online http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2005_Nov_03/p.690.1131122394.html Anaheim, CA -- Jim Alessandro has joined the Disneyland Resort as Senior Vice President, Marketing. Alessandro comes to Southern California from DL Resort Paris where he recently completed an assignment as VP, Global Marketing Support. In his new role, Alessandro will lead all aspects of marketing including advertising, press & publicity, marketing strategy, special events and alliance marketing. He will be instrumental in enhancing additional initiatives to showcase DL's 50th anniversary celebration. The 18-month event kicked off on May 5 and is scheduled to continue through September 2006. "I have worked closely with Jim in other assignments at Disney and have been impressed with his creativity and innovative thinking," said Matt Ouimet, president of the DL Resort. "He will be a valuable addition to our leadership team as we continue to build on the marketing momentum created by DL's 50th anniversary celebration." "It's a thrill to be in Anaheim and at DL, the park that started it all in 1955," Alessandro said. "It is an exciting time for me to join the DL Resort team just as the launch of the 50th anniversary is off to a great start. Our focus will be to keep that momentum alive. On a personal note, my family and I are looking forward to getting involved in the community." Alessandro has more than 20 years of marketing and communications strategy experience. A 12-year veteran of The Walt Disney Company, he has served as VP, Marketing for the Disney Cruise Line and Director, Brand Management at the Walt Disney Resort. In that role, he was responsible for providing brand management support for each of the 4 WDW theme parks, as well as its water parks, Downtown Disney and Disney's Wide World of Sports. Before joining Disney, Alessandro worked for 2 advertising agencies: Saatchi & Saatchi in Los Angeles and Foote Cone & Belding in Chicago. He is a native of Cleveland Heights, Ohio and a graduate of Miami University of Ohio. Alessandro replaces Marty Muller who returns to her previous role as Senior VP, Global Marketing-Creative for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts in Burbank. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 09 06:29:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57703 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 14:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2005 14:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 14:29:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 14:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2005 14:28:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:28:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags to field final takeover offers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zMhwDBHgaQcp6SkV3bfmOXOeu3-GnCuLDJ4GgF7ddXL_Phk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 8, 2005 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051108/bs_nm/leisure_sixflags_dc_1 PHILADELPHIA, PA -- Amusement park operator Six Flags Inc. said on=20 Tuesday it expects to receive final takeover offers from financial=20 and strategic suitors by early December, with a final decision made=20 by year-end. 6F said [they] pared the list of potential buyers after receiving=20 initial buyout offers earlier this month. So far, the bidders have=20 submitted individual offers rather than forming bidding groups as=20 seen in other buyout deals this year. 6F declined to name its bidders or discuss whether the auction=20 included any international companies. Some analysts have said Dubai International Capital, an investment=20 firm backed by the government of Dubai, may bid to build on its=20 recent $1.5 billion purchase of Tussauds Group, known for its Madame=20 Tussauds wax museums. Smaller amusement park rival Cedar Fair LP, which has 12 parks,=20 previously said it would be interested in looking at 6F. CF could not=20 be immediately reached for comment on Tuesday. The auction of 6F has been complicated by an effort by dissident=20 shareholder Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins football=20 team, to replace the company's top executives with his own nominees=20 and raise his stake to 34.9% from 11.7%. 6F also boasts $2.1 billion=20 in debt and faces shrinking growth in park attendance and revenues. "While we do not believe that 6F, awash in red ink, will generate an=20 attractive sale price ... our nominees, if elected, have pledged to=20 review and evaluate any proposed sale transaction," Snyder's=20 investment firm, Red Zone LLC, said in a statement. Red Zone contended that over the past 6 years 6F's current board and=20 management have allowed the company to lose more than $2.6 billion in=20 shareholder value. The price of 6F stock has dropped from more than=20 $40 in May 1999 to less than $4 in May of 2005. Last week, another 6F investor, Diaco Investments LP, said it would=20 reject the theme park operator's plan to put itself up for sale and=20 would side with Snyder's proposal to replace top officials. Diaco=20 holds a 9.8% stake in 6F. 6F put itself up for sale at a time when growth in park attendance=20 and revenues is slipping. For the full-year 2005, the company expects park attendance to grow=20 4.75% and revenues to increase 8.5%. Cash flow, including its Houston=20 park that recently closed, will total $300 million. "We'll have very=20 strong revenue growth consistent with our expectations," Burke=20 said. "Potential buyers looking at the performance can recognize what=20 is going on and can extrapolate that going into the future." But for 2006, 6F projected shrinking growth. It said it expects park=20 attendance to rise by about 3.5% to 4.0%, with revenues growing 6.5%=20 to 7.0%. Cash flow will total about $340 million. Shares of 6F shed 13 cents, or 1.76%, to close at $7.26 on the = =20 New York Stock Exchange. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 09 16:23:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97099 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 00:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 00:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 00:23:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:21:18 -0800 Message-Id: <200511091621.AA2433089814@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: Dutch Wonderland, October 23, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=NnlzkuIEeFu62TQ3chFxaREqiMwdlcrr23jrGZVJjimdhjyawy3y X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Sky Princess was CCI's first coaster, and is a small family coaster topping out at only 55 feet. It is a funky design, not overly thrilling, but great fun < I really like this coaster, too. Karen and I rode it on a fairly hot day, and the train was flying through the course. >Across the was from the Princess is the Joust, a decent sized Zamperla coaster. < Actually this is a Chance coaster (according to the manufacturer's plate on the ride), identical to the kiddie coaster at Michigan's Adventure. > I got a circuit on it for the credit. It is an odd little >ride, with a funky circular layout. < It's got a really nasty pop of air before the final turn, a real gut-buster. Did they still have the little Amish displays around the park, and the miniature circus? Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. 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Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: LaSalle Expressway won't extend to 'Oz' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=QZXqAmNsCFC-azmk3CJZSSmheQH8bf1NzC4CD66-8fncfniNrCYL5FY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > WHEATFIELD, NY - The state probably won't extend the LaSalle > Expressway to the proposed "Wizard of Oz" theme park, town officials > said Monday... The park is proposed for a 527-acre area off River and Wil= liams > roads. Forgive me for the late reply to this thread. I'm finally cleaning out my congested inbox. Does anyone know more about this proposed project? Is it related to the Oz project that was once proposed for Kansas but cancelled a few years ago? Or is this a separate thing? -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 12:52:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98744 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 20:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 20:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 20:52:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 20:51:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:51:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: MARC, Cedar Fair Reunite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1JjMBW6UvSfwWFkZp8ln_09vU0Dbm3V2ZTQXezow4MYdwwA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 09, 2005 ADWeek http://www.adweek.com/aw/regional/midwest/article_display.jsp? vnu_content_id=3D1001476187 By Aaron Baar=20 CHICAGO, IL -- Amusement park operator Cedar Fair has named MARC as=20 lead advertising agency for its Cedar Point and Geauga Lake &=20 Wildwater Kingdom properties, according to the shop. The independent shop in Pittsburgh won the estimated $5 million=20 account after a review, according to an agency representative. The=20 agency had previously handled the business from 1972-87. "All entertainment venues, from movies to amusement parks, are facing=20 increasing competition from virtual entertainment," said MARC USA=20 president and CEO Michele Fabrizi, in a statement. "We're thrilled to=20 again be working with CF to introduce more guests to their world- class attractions. It's a great creative opportunity." Contenders in the review were not disclosed. Liggett-Stashower in=20 Cleveland was the client's previous agency. The shop's first work is expected to break in spring 2006. CP, the flagship park for CF, has been named Best Amusement Park in=20 the World by industry publication Amusement Today for the past 8=20 years. The attraction boasts 68 rides, including 16 roller coasters. ---------- =A9 2005 VNU eMedia Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 12:58:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69871 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 20:58:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 20:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 20:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 20:57:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:57:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Great American Family's Wild Animal Safari Park Cited in National Geographic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SzsilHd0NDXYeICm0b_h4_FkssBo--uP6s-CQJzn_kUEcuU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 10,2005 Press Release: Great American Family Parks, Inc. Yahoo! Finance PRNewswire-FirstCall http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051110/lath009.html?.v=3D35 BOISE, ID -- Great American Family Parks, Inc., a company focused on=20 developing profitable regional theme parks in the US, announced today=20 that the Company was featured in National Geographic magazine, on=20 August 5, 2005 in an article entitled "Ligers Make a 'Dynamite' Leap=20 Into the Limelight" by Maryann Mott. The article profiles the animal=20 species known as "Ligers," a hybrid of half-lion and half-tiger. The=20 article can be viewed online at=20 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_ligers.htm l and at http://www.otcfn.com/gfam. According to National Geographic, "It's half lion, half tiger, and=20 completely real. Now thanks to a cameo in the 2004 cult movie=20 Napoleon Dynamite, the liger has leaped into the limelight, prompting=20 fans to ask, What are they really like? ... 'For the most part=20 they're really laid back,' said Jason Hutcherson, VP of Wild Animal=20 Safari in Pine Mountain, GA. 'They like to swim and play in the=20 water.' We believe that the drive-through wildlife park has the=20 country's largest concentration of ligers, housing 10 of the massive=20 cats. Since 1999 the park has bred its male lion and female tiger=20 many times, producing about 24 cubs." Dr. Larry Eastland, President of GAFP, said, "As part of our growth=20 strategy, we plan to add attractions which we believe are not=20 available at venues similar to ours, mainstream zoos and other animal=20 parks. One of our signature attractions is the park's collection of=20 ligers, which we believe is the largest of its kind in the country.=20 Additionally, Wild Animal Safari Park is also home to what we believe=20 to be one of the oldest known living and largest alligators in the=20 US. At an estimated 85 years old, the alligator recently measured=20 12'9" long. We anticipate that these attractions will drive not only=20 traffic to our park based on the profound curiosity and interest that=20 they can potentially generate, but may also build strong brand name=20 recognition." ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 13:07:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7442 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:07:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 51085 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2005 21:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20051110210739.51083.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:07:39 PST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:07:39 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: PR: Great American Family's Wild Animal Safari Park Cited in National Geographic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=ZX0C5xNRE5dPa0tJytFJJbOF6c75k2H4VDu1ZA1W6enn0GE X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "It's pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic." Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 13:10:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75600 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:10:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:10:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:10:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Corrections Officer Not Guilty In Scooby-Doo Attack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VujgKVOM1zR8YcZH5XFn4GIyAo3rc99TOoN8P6fgsDqEVXI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 10, 2005 Local 6 News Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20051110/lo_wkmg/3053419 Orlanda, FL -- An off-duty corrections officer in Florida who was=20 accused of attacking a costumed Scooby Doo character at Universal=20 Studios theme park in Orlando was found not guilty of all charges=20 Thursday, according to Local 6 News. Eddie Bronson was arrested and charged with misdemeanor battery in=20 September in connection with the theme park incident. Witnesses told police that when a Scooby Doo character at the park=20 bent down to take a picture with Bronson's child, Bronson allegedly=20 grabbed the front of his costume and pulled it down. When the character walked away to greet other guests, the incident=20 escalated, witnesses said. "At one point there is a witness who=20 indicates he used a closed fist and struck the back of the=20 character," Orlando police spokeswoman Barabara Jones said in=20 September. Universal officials told police there was some damage to the costume=20 and the character suffered a headache. Bronson claimed that after the photo he was trying to pet the=20 character on top of the head and then left the park without incident. --------- =A9 2005 WKMG MyCFNow.com =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 13:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50015 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:17:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:17:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:17:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Silver Dollar City theme park plans expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9KbT7V-MEXPUDcTWptkY4MUUGFlYCAOrN3F_vOffjylMRQU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 8, 2005 The Branson Daily News http://www.bransondailynews.com/articles/2005/11/08/news/news2.txt By Cliff Sain Branson, Missouri -- Officials with Herschend Family Entertainment on=20 Saturday announced an $8 million expansion to the park called The=20 Grand Exposition. The addition will be modeled after the traveling=20 expositions of the 1880s. "The Grand Exposition opens a whole new region of the park=20 encompassing 2 acres where guests are transported back in time to=20 experience the golden era of discovery and excitement of the world's=20 fairs and expositions in the late 1880s," Silver Dollar City GM Brad=20 Thomas said. "In keeping with our hallmark of bringing the past to=20 life, we've chosen the theme of a very grand and exciting era, one=20 which evokes the elements of the St. Louis World's Fair and PT=20 Barnum's traveling expositions, which came through Missouri in the=20 late 1880s." The new section is expected to open in the spring of 2006. Officials=20 said it will include 10 new rides, which are currently being=20 manufactured in Italy specifically for SDC. The rides include a variety of high-flying or spinning rides,=20 including what officials termed a "family roller coaster." There will=20 also be rides for smaller children. Officials described The Grand Exposition as a colorful destination=20 where exposition goers can experience the collaboration of=20 imagination, technology and entertainment. Officials also announced that the park will feature a new festival=20 this year. The Southern Gospel Picnic Festival will take place Aug.=20 31-Sept. 10, 2006. The festival will feature the music of Jeff &=20 Sheri Easter, The Crabb Family, The McKameys, The Kingsmen and Gold=20 City. It will also feature picnic-style food. Southern Gospel Nights=20 will be a musical presentation that will take place each evening=20 during the festival. ----------- =A9 2005 The Branson Daily News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 13:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39126 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:25:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:24:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:24:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Delhi gets a spiritual theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Bf84eNSPMxHgzI6y4dy247sq7qXKcaCpUmwRd2Tv-H-H5v0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 09, 2005 Rediff.com http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/nov/09park.htm by Abhilasha Ojha Delhi, India -- An-award winning film on an IMAX screen, a=20 subterranean boat ride, a wave pool, 3-D dioramas consisting of=20 robotics, fibre optics and son-et-lumiere effects. A trip to=20 Disneyland, Hong Kong - or Akshardham, Delhi? The opening of the Swaminayaran Akshardham temple complex in East=20 Delhi this weekend has signalled the arrival of the capital's first=20 spiritual theme park. Aimed at an audience that comprises the religious as well as those=20 wanting a slice of entertainment, the Akshardham complex is an=20 unending joyride for those wanting to combine a religious or=20 spiritual experience with a day out for the family. Spread over 100 acres, the Rs 200-crore (this includes the cost of=20 the land} tourist attraction has created enough of a buzz, with=20 busloads bringing in visitors from the international airport, and=20 in "Volga" and "Volvo-like" buses all the way from Gujarat (the=20 original Akshardham temple is in Gandhinagar). Its beautifully lit=20 facade has already charmed the city. "We're getting innumerable calls from schools and from people abroad=20 who want to make group bookings of around 100-200 people," confirms=20 Wing Commander Rajesh Danak, a volunteer and official spokesperson=20 for the temple complex. "Though it's too early to say how many people will come on a daily=20 basis, we can easily accommodate over 25,000 people in the premises=20 every day," he adds. Danak is just one among 7,000 volunteers who have given their time to=20 the complex since the groundbreaking ceremony 5e years ago. Other=20 volunteers include our guide, Dr Vyas, and co-guide, 22-y.o. Vishal=20 Patel who otherwise works for Siemens India. "This is my kind of=20 spirituality," explains Patel, "to grab the chance to do my bit for=20 society." Inaugurated by the president and the prime minister on Sunday,=20 Akshardham, Delhi combines ornate, traditional architecture in white=20 marble and pink sandstone with amazing technology. While entry to the=20 main monument where the 11'-high, gold-leafed idol of Swaminarayan=20 stands, is free, it costs Rs 125 to see the 3 exhibitions complete=20 with 3-D dioramas and the IMAX film. This fee also includes the 12-minute, underground boat ride where a=20 series of audio-visual presentations on India's mystic, scientific=20 and historic past take people through a 10,000-year journey. The boat ride is the brain-child of Vipul Waghela, who earlier worked=20 with the Indian Science and Research Organisation in the electronic=20 engineering department. "The entire complex," says Danak, "is=20 disabled friendly and we also provide wheel chairs on a first-come=20 first-serve basis on a refundable deposit of Rs 100." Volunteer Dr Vyas was part of the crew filming Mystic India: An=20 Incredible Journey of Inspiration, on the saint Neelkanth, made by=20 Hollywood director Keith Melton, that won the Audience's Choice Prize=20 at the 10th International Large Format Film Festival, Paris in=20 January 2005. With nearly 45,000 actors, and shot in 108 locations and pilgrimage=20 centres, the film covers the entire stretch of 12,000 km that the=20 sage is supposed to have travelled in the mid-17th century. "We have=20 our own recording studio in Mumbai where we compose tracks, dub and=20 prepare content for our audio-visual presentations," says Dr Vyas. Besides, the complex has a food-court that serves south Indian and=20 north Indian cuisine. "We serve strictly satvik (without onions and=20 garlic) food," says Davak. There's a sprawling park where saplings of=20 nearly 900,000 shrubs and plants have been planted. Called Bharat Upvan, this area also has 60 bronze sculptures of=20 national leaders and sages. "Our aim is to make Akshardham an=20 enriching experience; to see smiles on the faces of those who have=20 toured the complex," says Dr Vyas. We can't stop smiling in response. ---------- =A9 2005 rediff.com India Limited From DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com Thu Nov 10 13:27:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10674 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.goowy.com) (209.126.247.205) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:27:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 30164 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webserver001) ([192.168.25.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.goowy.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Nov 2005 21:26:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:27:00 GMT Message-ID: <17996578672d437795425d7077b06708@webserver001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: goowy mail - http://www.goowy.com Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 209.126.247.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Brooke G Reply-To: Brooke G Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_NEWS:_Delhi_gets_a_spiritual_t?= =?utf-8?Q?heme_park?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244597785; y=Oc9faq9rAoZEeXganepao9GhT0D911TXZhiesDWLjQswCTZqh4M5PY2h0lwn X-Yahoo-Profile: deathcab4cutieband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFHmm... Interesting. From: Alan[mailto:aelk2004@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:24 PM -08:00 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Delhi gets a spiritual theme park November 09, 2005 Rediff.com http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/nov/09park.htm=20 by Abhilasha Ojha Delhi, India -- An-award winning film on an IMAX screen, a=20 subterranean boat ride, a wave pool, 3-D dioramas consisting of=20 robotics, fibre optics and son-et-lumiere effects. A trip to=20 Disneyland, Hong Kong - or Akshardham, Delhi? The opening of the Swaminayaran Akshardham temple complex in East=20 Delhi this weekend has signalled the arrival of the capital's first=20 spiritual theme park. Aimed at an audience that comprises the religious as well as those=20 wanting a slice of entertainment, the Akshardham complex is an=20 unending joyride for those wanting to combine a religious or=20 spiritual experience with a day out for the family. Spread over 100 acres, the Rs 200-crore (this includes the cost of=20 the land} tourist attraction has created enough of a buzz, with=20 busloads bringing in visitors from the international airport, and=20 in "Volga" and "Volvo-like" buses all the way from Gujarat (the=20 original Akshardham temple is in Gandhinagar). Its beautifully lit=20 facade has already charmed the city. "We're getting innumerable calls from schools and from people abroad=20 who want to make group bookings of around 100-200 people," confirms=20 Wing Commander Rajesh Danak, a volunteer and official spokesperson=20 for the temple complex. "Though it's too early to say how many people will come on a daily=20 basis, we can easily accommodate over 25,000 people in the premises=20 every day," he adds. Danak is just one among 7,000 volunteers who have given their time to=20 the complex since the groundbreaking ceremony 5e years ago. Other=20 volunteers include our guide, Dr Vyas, and co-guide, 22-y.o. Vishal=20 Patel who otherwise works for Siemens India. "This is my kind of=20 spirituality," explains Patel, "to grab the chance to do my bit for=20 society." Inaugurated by the president and the prime minister on Sunday,=20 Akshardham, Delhi combines ornate, traditional architecture in white=20 marble and pink sandstone with amazing technology. While entry to the=20 main monument where the 11'-high, gold-leafed idol of Swaminarayan=20 stands, is free, it costs Rs 125 to see the 3 exhibitions complete=20 with 3-D dioramas and the IMAX film. This fee also includes the 12-minute, underground boat ride where a=20 series of audio-visual presentations on India's mystic, scientific=20 and historic past take people through a 10,000-year journey. The boat ride is the brain-child of Vipul Waghela, who earlier worked=20 with the Indian Science and Research Organisation in the electronic=20 engineering department. "The entire complex," says Danak, "is=20 disabled friendly and we also provide wheel chairs on a first-come=20 first-serve basis on a refundable deposit of Rs 100." Volunteer Dr Vyas was part of the crew filming Mystic India: An=20 Incredible Journey of Inspiration, on the saint Neelkanth, made by=20 Hollywood director Keith Melton, that won the Audience's Choice Prize=20 at the 10th International Large Format Film Festival, Paris in=20 January 2005. With nearly 45,000 actors, and shot in 108 locations and pilgrimage=20 centres, the film covers the entire stretch of 12,000 km that the=20 sage is supposed to have travelled in the mid-17th century. "We have=20 our own recording studio in Mumbai where we compose tracks, dub and=20 prepare content for our audio-visual presentations," says Dr Vyas. Besides, the complex has a food-court that serves south Indian and=20 north Indian cuisine. "We serve strictly satvik (without onions and=20 garlic) food," says Davak. There's a sprawling park where saplings of=20 nearly 900,000 shrubs and plants have been planted. Called Bharat Upvan, this area also has 60 bronze sculptures of=20 national leaders and sages. "Our aim is to make Akshardham an=20 enriching experience; to see smiles on the faces of those who have=20 toured the complex," says Dr Vyas. We can't stop smiling in response. ---------- =C2=A9 2005 rediff.com India Limited Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk=20 bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________ Get your own goowy now @ http://www.goowy.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 13:33:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40097 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 21:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 21:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 21:33:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:33:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:33:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 21:33:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:33:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Donation Helps Secure Arnolds Park Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KwwslJbWt2ra9cLLyrwkvfcGwpiQX3ctz_mxTdeT2Kx0DB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/09/2005 KTIV News Channel 4 http://www.ktiv.com/News/NewsDetail64.cfm?Id=3D26,9714 by Kristen Johnson =20 Arnolds Park ,Iowa -- Since 1889, Arnolds Park, Iowa, has meant=20 summer fun for thousands of vacationers. But, in recent years the=20 lakeside retreat, which includes an amusement park and museum, has=20 struggled to stay afloat. But, a $500,000 donation could help keep=20 the park open for years to come. The "Messengers of Healing Winds," a family foundation, cuts the=20 park's debt and pushes fundraising efforts over the $1,000,000 mark.=20 To date, the "Sustain the Park" campaign has raised $1,472,000, which=20 is just under 75% of their $2,000,000 goal. "It will be a big step in=20 reducing that debt, so that we can put the park on solid financial=20 footing," says fundraiser Sue Richter. In exchange for the donation, park officials plan to sign a=20 conservation enhancement agreement, giving green space to the Natural=20 Resource Foundation, and prevent the property from being commercially=20 developed. Despite its struggles, the 116-y.o. park looks to have a=20 bright future. "This place is the pulse, the heartbeat, the center,=20 the premier place at the lakes," says Mike Zenor, Arnolds Park Board=20 of Directors member. "We want to keep it so people forever can have=20 the experience we've had." For the first time in several years, the amusement park will operate=20 on a profit. ----------- =A9 2005 KTIV. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 10 14:43:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61951 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EaL98-00054C-P1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:43:54 -0500 Message-ID: <4373CD2C.1000300@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:43:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f4b05223a03c6471ecc1465d59810836a224f1a90a23a05e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Six Flags Marine World 10/21/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tXgRqNjt0mMT3tCXHynqwQB1YIeypMR3JlsFBUQb1FoEh44 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I've got a few posts that have been sitting waiting for me to really read them. Sorry this one is so late. adamnvillani wrote: > By this time most of > the animal acts had closed up shop for the night, so it was mostly > just coasters for me. They've only got a few, but I liked the ones > they had. To bad you missed most of the animal shows. Much as I like a couple of the coasters, the animals are the best part of the park for me. :) But then with Bay Area traffic, that seems to happen a bunch. > The good thing about this is that if you're > just there for the rides, all of the coasters are concentrated in > just two areas of the park, one on either side of the main entrance > plaza. I never even ventured toward the back of the park, so perhaps > a full day would be more tiring, There are some rides in the back and spread throughout, but they're pretty much all flats. Although they do have some very good flats hiding back and throughout. Certainly enough for a few hours of riding. But even with that and the animals, it's not an overlarge park. Enough to easily keep you busy all day if you do both animals and rides, but not enough to really wear you out like SFMM can do. > > First up was Kong, a Vekoma SLC. This was my first actual SLC, though > the layout seems to have a lot of similar elements to Batman: the > Ride. I liked it. I sat in front and got a good blast of adrenaline. > It was fun but not too intense; a good coaster to start the day with. Of the SLC's I've been on, Kong is one of two that gave me pretty good rides every time. I enjoyed it, but hate the way they have the queue set up to pour into the front row and cutting off getting to the middle or back. > At this point I headed over to the other concentration of rides on > the opposite side of the entrance. Over here I checked out the 7:30 > seal show, which was a corny, fun romp hosted by a non-licensed > Austin Powers actalike with a light Halloween theme. Happy that you got that one in at least. If you could only do one show, that would be the one I recommend (the killer whale and dolphins would be next) > > I didn't get a real good look at Roar, their GCI woodie, before > riding it. This is a "Twister"-style layout, right? I'd never been on > one like this. I would have really liked to had a chance to ride it > again to better wrap my mind around it. Lots of diving and rising > turns, which was different, but it seemed like there were a lot of > rough laterals. Still fun; tentatively I'd put it in the middle of > the pack as far as woodies I've been on go. About a 20-minute wait. Roar does seem to roughen up a bit near the end of the year- as much from the yearly wear and tear I think. Yes it's a twister, and only has a couple of small "airtime" moments. It's really about the twists, turns, speed, and moderate lats. A great little ride that helped my son fall in love with wood coasters. > At that point is was about 9:30 and I decided to head back. I skipped > their Boomerang and their other family coaster (I don't even know > where it was), but was kinda bummed about the freaky-looking Zonga > being down. Zonga was all still intact, and it was not apparent why > they weren't running it. Rumors I've heard about Zonga aren't good. Seems instead of fixing it when they moved it from Astroworld, they didn't do anything really good, and may have caused more problems. The other "family" coaster is actually a kiddie coaster over in their Loony Toons Port area. Certainly hope that you can get there sometime to fully enjoy the park, but for the short time you were there, you did pretty good in getting a lot in. It's certainly changed a lot over the years compared to when I grew up going to it when it started out in Redwood City. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 10 14:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52395 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 22:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 22:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 22:46:53 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EaLC0-0007Jm-Vt for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:46:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4373CDDF.6070809@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:46:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f4b05223a03c64715d79d8c1de28ac2be52bd485b2c126be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Euro Mir Car Model X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=EsrcyTuKgH6k9vgP7YbQWU2RdfZtmoPRLAOpgqJIX9PDjXk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ryan Snooks wrote: > Like I promised, here are a couple pictures of the balsa Euro Mir car > model I was working on. > A general overview: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirIso1.jpg > >From the top: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirTop.jpg > The actual ride: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig972.htm Wow!! I'm really impressed Ryan. How big did you make the car- approximately full size? Cant' really tell with the flowers in the background. But it looks great. Want to build one for me? hehe keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 10 15:04:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10746 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 23:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 23:04:22 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EaLSr-0004Ku-1w for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: <4373D1F3.8030701@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:04:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f4b05223a03c64715f1c3e84f224e456b73ec3abf9873e05350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=uP6YQv69qc_t7poZ5nFwte4oO1FFD8UMG4l8bfHRl8wt1T8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I haven't replied to this one yet because I wanted to be able to spend some time on it. So I'm just getting around to it now. Great topic, and I'm hoping that some others jump in also. adamnvillani wrote: > So, what you you guys put in your ideal moderate-sized park? Not a > huge park with a monster budget that hopes to compete on a national > scale, and not a small park that only attracts locals, but something > that attracts people from, say, a 2-hour drive away from a big city. > A place with room and budget for maybe 2 or 3 full-size coasters. Only 2 or 3 coasters? Can I borrow your model and go with 4? :P 1. An out and back woodie, though a couple of twists in it are nice too. Good airtime hills built in, but nothing so severe that a family can't ride it together. 2. A wood twister something like Thunderhead. Another fantastic ride that I'd like to have in my park. 3. A moderate sized steel coaster- I'm not sure if I'd go with a B&M inverted or a sit down looping. Fun, with some intensity, but not overwhelmingly long or intense- just like most B&M's. 4. A themed mine train- something like SFoT's. I would switch this out with a suspended, again with family and theming it. This would probably be the only themed coaster in the park, and I wouldn't do it expensive or extravagent, just enough to make it fun and a bit interactive. 5. Must have a carousel- hopefully a classic. I also like the large ferris wheel idea, but if my park was wooded like Holiday World, I wouldn't waste the money on it. 6. A nice train ride- and interactive like Silver Dollar City's, or something like that. Took a nice ride and made it a whole other dimension of fun. 7 Several flats- at least a dozen, hopefully more. A few classics, several modern and at a wide range of intensities so there is something there for everyone. A disk'o, just because they're so popular, a frisbee, and several others. 8. I'd love to put in a flume ride and a rapids ride that interact with each other. Would be fun to have a waterfall from the flume ride pouring onto the rapids below, and intermingle them. 9. Good food- including a decent Mexican food place. I don't understand why the parks here in FL don't have that. Oh, and one with a buffet, and one that does BBQ. 10. I'd also spread the kiddie rides and activities throughout the park, with maybe a couple of small concentrations and several near the other flats and coasters. Give the little ones something to do while they're waiting for the big'uns to ride. 11. An interactive play area for the kids that would include the foam ball house with the guns, and a water play area- again with squirt guns and ways to get other people wet. USF has a great set up with the Curious George area, and I'd love to do something like that. I'm sure I could add a lot more, but that seems like a pretty good start. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 15:26:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98222 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:26:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=X-65leK9RmrxIKpMyhv4LXnWIMXSL9Q_lwGEEGOkI5SA9unn4ceX X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > Dark rides - one scary, one storybook? I should add here that I think a neat way to go if a park doesn't want=20 to pony up the $$ for licensed characters to theme a dark ride would be=20 to base rides on mythology or classic works of literature that are in=20 the public domain --- and in the public consciousness. Personally I=20 think Homer's "The Odyssey" would make for a great subject for a ride=20 that operated along the lines of The Pirates of the Caribbean. In the=20 different "rooms," you'd encounter different scenes like the Cyclops,=20 the Scylla & Charybdis, etc. For a dry dark ride, how about some Jules=20 Verne? For a scary dark ride, how about having one themed to Edgar=20 Allan Poe stories? I'd love to mix the high-brow and low-brow. I like George's idea of intertwining a rapids ride and a flume ride.=20 I'm a fan of mingling rides with each other a lot, in general. That's=20 one thing Disneyland lost big with when they closed the Peoplemover. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com Thu Nov 10 15:39:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3389 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.goowy.com) (209.126.247.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 23:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 1439 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webserver001) ([192.168.25.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.goowy.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Nov 2005 23:39:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:39:09 GMT Message-ID: <520615b20b4d4fad9abe0ce9d24e5e0f@webserver001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: goowy mail - http://www.goowy.com Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 209.126.247.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Brooke G Reply-To: Brooke G Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_Re:_Ideal_park?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244597785; y=eLQJ4s2jl_zhUcdvlCGPDlZiNjYMo-hXfa-AbJN_0TbxQRFX4b8fJmuKsfo3 X-Yahoo-Profile: deathcab4cutieband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFWell actually, in RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, the rapids rides have so= me drops. Tiny little ones, but I think that's starting the whole flume/rap= ids thing. Of course, I think you'd need ot makeover the rapid vehicles bec= ause I would imagine they would flip or have some serious problems down the= hills. From: adamnvillani[mailto:adamnvillani@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:26 PM -08:00 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ideal park I wrote: > Dark rides - one scary, one storybook? I should add here that I think a neat way to go if a park doesn't want=20 to pony up the $$ for licensed characters to theme a dark ride would be=20 to base rides on mythology or classic works of literature that are in=20 the public domain --- and in the public consciousness. Personally I=20 think Homer's "The Odyssey" would make for a great subject for a ride=20 that operated along the lines of The Pirates of the Caribbean. In the=20 different "rooms," you'd encounter different scenes like the Cyclops,=20 the Scylla & Charybdis, etc. For a dry dark ride, how about some Jules=20 Verne? For a scary dark ride, how about having one themed to Edgar=20 Allan Poe stories? I'd love to mix the high-brow and low-brow. I like George's idea of intertwining a rapids ride and a flume ride.=20 I'm a fan of mingling rides with each other a lot, in general. That's=20 one thing Disneyland lost big with when they closed the Peoplemover. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com=20 Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk=20 bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________ Get your own goowy now @ http://www.goowy.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com Thu Nov 10 15:43:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: DeathCabforCutie@goowy.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62683 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2005 23:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.goowy.com) (209.126.247.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 23:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1505 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 23:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webserver001) ([192.168.25.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.goowy.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Nov 2005 23:43:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:43:23 GMT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: goowy mail - http://www.goowy.com Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 209.126.247.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Brooke G Reply-To: Brooke G Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_MISC:_Euro_Mir_Car_Model?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244597785; y=CzsD8I3oKV6BjokzXhs_xhFjlNO7sxY_xdaJh1Sq1SriWKxfsisFFb4MHQk_ X-Yahoo-Profile: deathcab4cutieband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFI was just looking at the Euro Mir ride. The book I'm reading, Rol= ler Coasters by David Bennet, mentions Euro Mir as a "family oriented ride"= ?!?!?!? Doesn't look very family oriented. Just kinda' scary. From: george burnash[mailto:gburnash@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:46 PM -08:00 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Euro Mir Car Model Ryan Snooks wrote: > Like I promised, here are a couple pictures of the balsa Euro Mir car > model I was working on.=20 > A general overview: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirIso1.jpg=20 > >From the top: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirTop.jpg=20 > The actual ride: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig972.htm=20 Wow!! I'm really impressed Ryan. How big did you make the car-=20 approximately full size? Cant' really tell with the flowers in the=20 background. But it looks great. Want to build one for me? hehe keep on ridin George --=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill=20 ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk=20 bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________ Get your own goowy now @ http://www.goowy.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 10 16:06:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5059 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 00:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 00:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 00:05:59 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EaMQB-00044A-LT for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <4373E051.2020505@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:05:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <520615b20b4d4fad9abe0ce9d24e5e0f@webserver001> In-Reply-To: <520615b20b4d4fad9abe0ce9d24e5e0f@webserver001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f4b05223a03c647163ea143664c7e17bf0f03f3501b633bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1KrEnR4PmekugZNZ_NsOcxXQGsjkr2Ak3N0tSnHSV7hTDe4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brooke G wrote: > Well actually, in RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, the rapids rides have some > drops. Tiny little ones, but I think that's starting the whole > flume/rapids thing. Of course, I think you'd need ot makeover the rapid > vehicles because I would imagine they would flip or have some serious > problems down the hills. Not if they're done right, as in Grizzly River at DCA or the Bilge Barges at IOA. Both of those have drops on their rapids rides, and they work very well. So it CAN be done in reality, just isn't very often. keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Nov 10 18:02:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13924 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 02:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 02:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.193) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 02:01:59 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so797741wxd for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.50.9 with SMTP id x9mr1394238wxx; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:01:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:01:58 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4373CDDF.6070809@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4373CDDF.6070809@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Euro Mir Car Model X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=skRqRafKMAGZk38ry3mBHMupeZQoqukaeNayl0zshpR_Zj8SdqyQUW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 11/10/05, george burnash wrote: > Ryan Snooks wrote: > > Like I promised, here are a couple pictures of the balsa Euro Mir car > > model I was working on. > > > A general overview: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirIso1.jpg > > >From the top: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/EuroMirTop.jpg > > The actual ride: > > http://www.rcdb.com/ig972.htm > > Wow!! I'm really impressed Ryan. How big did you make the car- > approximately full size? Cant' really tell with the flowers in the > background. But it looks great. Someone else mentioned that the flowers made it hard to judge. It's a little over 3.5" in diameter and about 2.5" from the bottom of the base to the top of the headrests. > Want to build one for me? hehe Maybe if you want something a bit simpler. With how much time that one took me I don't think I'll be making anymore of that design for a while. Something less round would be much easier. Maybe once I get the hang of it more, I'll make another Euro Mir car. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 11:06:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27120 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 19:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2005 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 19:06:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2005 19:06:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:06:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <520615b20b4d4fad9abe0ce9d24e5e0f@webserver001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Co9GnvpgPwwNj7rc-u-PcYkPOa8aad6RTvyTOwED3xgC9tC61mq9 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Brooke G=20 wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFWell actually, in RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, the rapids rides have= =20 some drops. Tiny little ones, but I think that's starting the whole=20 flume/rapids thing. Of course, I think you'd need ot makeover the rapid=20 vehicles because I would imagine they would flip or have some serious=20 problems down the hills. >=20 I think the idea is not that the flume and the rapids would share the=20 same course, but that the two courses might cross each other or=20 interact in other ways. For example, one might imagine a park where the=20 splashdown/loading area for several different rides shared the same=20 body of water. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 09:57:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65190 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 17:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 17:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 17:57:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 17:56:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:56:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park tradeshow boasts big thrills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_dh4WvYKI9b2oHC5u8CcNBAdVE7XkCHYpPcdtp4Hn7b9nbs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 11, 2005 Atlanta Business Chronicle http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/11/14/newscolumn5.html ?from_rss=3D1 by Rachel Tobin Ramos Atlanta, GA -- The International Association of Amusement Parks and=20 Attractions, after 4 years in Orlando, is trading Disney for downtown=20 Atlanta. The show will return here Nov. 14-19 for the first time since 2000.=20 The largest tradeshow worldwide for buyers and sellers of everything=20 amusement park, from napkins to thrill rides, IAAPA will attract an=20 estimated 28,000 attendees from 77 countries, including 32 Georgia=20 companies. "20-million-dollar roller coaster buys aren't completed on=20 the floor, but they are started there," said Beth Robertson, VP of=20 communications for the Alexandria, Va.-based IAAPA. The amusement park industry in the U.S. has been coming back after=20 several lean years in the wake of Sept. 11, she said. The industry, which includes 600 U.S. water parks, zoos, museums and=20 aquariums, is predicting 4% revenue growth in 2005 over 2004 revenue=20 of $10.8 billion and a 2% increase in attendees compared with 2004's=20 328 million visitors, she said. Touted as "8 miles of aisles," this show needs a lot of indoor space - - about 1 million sq.ft. - plus outdoor space to display new=20 amusement park rides. At least 2 new rides will be on display at the Georgia World Congress=20 Center: The Disk'O by Italian company Zamperla seats 24 and spins=20 wildly with riders facing outward, and the Screamin' Swing by Logan,=20 Utah-based S&S Worldwide Inc., which pulls thrill-seekers at 4 Gs and=20 exceeds 60 miles per hour. Robertson said the IAAPA was excited to return to this Southern=20 metropolis as it undergoes a major transformation downtown, adding=20 tourist destinations like the Georgia Aquarium, the new World of Coke=20 and the renovated Inside CNN Tour. Attendees will scatter across the city to check out attractions here,=20 from Stone Mountain to CNN and Six Flags. One local will make a splash at the show: Bernie Marcus, the founder=20 of The Home Depot Inc., who donated $200 million of his own money to=20 build the Georgia Aquarium, will be the keynote speaker for the=20 show's GM's and Owners Breakfast. But despite this involvement, Robertson said Marcus hasn't offered=20 attendees a sneak peak inside the fish tanks that will open to the=20 public Nov. 23. "It gives us something to look forward to in 2006,"=20 she said. This show annually ranks among the largest 30 U.S. tradeshows. It=20 will return to Atlanta in 2006, before heading to Orlando in 2007.=20 The estimated economic impact on the city is $16.5 million, according=20 to the Atlanta Convention & Visitors Bureau. --------------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78092 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:00:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 17:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:59:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ferrari Announces Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X93JY1m6tI6e1XXglMSibU-pisb3roObPNSfi4b1UJ5AyQc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 14, 2005 Luxist http://www.luxist.com/entry/1234000687067945/ by Deidre Woollard Abu Dhabi, Dubai -- We already knew that Dubailand was going to have a=20 Formula One theme park. Now Ferrari and Aldar Properties have announced=20 an agreement to develop a theme park in Abu Dhabi dedicated all things=20 Ferrari. The project will include a race track, an amusement park,=20 Ferrari sporting events and virtual Ferrari simulations. The race track=20 will host car races, tests and driving lessons. And of course, there=20 will be hotels, shops and residential properties all with a Ferrari=20 theme. It is hoped that the new park will be a draw for Ferrari lovers=20 worldwide and it should be open in 2008. --------- =A9 2005, Weblogs, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:04:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8959 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:04:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:03:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:03:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:03:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Best Kept Secrets - Kiddie Acres X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OheKDhRT7nmrEaSoG40QSQqRuV9CtcppBfs49n9qTa9fBig X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/15/2005 News 8 Austin http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=3D149766 By: Paul Brown Austin, TX -- Kiddie Acres looks a lot like the kind of place today's=20 adults used to visit as children during what seemed like simpler=20 times. And now they're bringing their children to share in the memories and=20 create some new ones. "[We've] seen a lot of kids, a lot of families.=20 Now we're seeing our 2nd generation of kids come out who have ridden=20 when we first opened up, and now they're bringing their kids out,"=20 owner Joe Herring said. Herring runs the amusement park with his wife Marina. "It's a place=20 that you bring your kids out, and they never want to leave. We don't=20 have any problems with kids running out the front gate," Herring said. There are all types of rides, all with children 10 and under in mind.=20 There's a carousel, a Jeep ride, miniature golf, an airplane ride and=20 a train that circles the park. You can even saddle up to real live=20 ponies. The Herrings opened Kiddie Acres in 1979. "Well, we had a 3-y.o. at=20 the time, and our 3-y.o. inspired us to open up for other kids. Like=20 seeing families out there together and it was always a fun time for=20 me when I was a child. There used to be a place on Barton Springs and=20 South Lamar, had some little kiddie rides down there," he said. Parents love Kiddie Acres too, except for one thing. "The one part=20 that they don't like is they have to drive by here, and that's the=20 hardest part is to drive by and not stop," Herring said. Kiddie Acres is located at 4800 W. Howard Lane. It's open Tuesday -=20 Sunday from noon - 7 p.m. ---------- =A92005 TWEAN News Channel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12408 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:12:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:11:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:11:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:11:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Report Clears Westchester in Death at Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Sm_vmEYdHOV56lRRvEF48jqCI5r7bbRCDDsi2voUAcuqHAY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 12, 2005 The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/12/nyregion/12playland.html By LISA W. FODERARO HAWTHORNE, N.Y., -- A Westchester County report on an amusement park=20 fatality said 3 girls on a water ride saw the victim standing in the=20 water wet from the waist down, an indication that he probably climbed=20 out of his boat rather than fell. The girls said that after they passed the boy, they heard a loud=20 splash, but did not tell anyone when they got off the ride. The report by the county's Department of Public Safety, released on=20 Friday, mostly vindicated the county, which runs the Playland=20 amusement park in Rye. The boy, Jon-Kely Cassara, 7, of Norwalk,=20 Conn., was killed inside a popular water ride called Ye Old Mill that=20 dates to 1929. The ride consists of a 1,200' tunnel and boats slowly=20 wending their way in the dark past gnomes and dragons. With the release of the report, officials revealed for the first time=20 that there were witnesses to the accident. The girls - ages 7, 8 and=20 13 - did not come forward immediately, the officials said. But Thomas=20 Belfiore, the county's public safety commissioner, said the girls=20 were in the boat behind the boy when they saw him. "The girls saw him=20 walking in the water and called out to him, 'Watch out,' or something=20 to that effect," Mr. Belfiore said in a news conference at the county=20 police headquarters here. The boy climbed up on a catwalk, or ledge, alongside the water and=20 did not respond as the girls passed by in their boat. "A minute or so=20 later, they heard a loud splash," he said. The report also said the Connecticut medical examiner's office had=20 determined that the cause of death was blunt trauma to the head, with=20 no sign of water in the lungs. Mr. Belfiore, who said the boy died=20 instantly, speculated that the boy slipped and fell after trying to=20 climb back into a boat. While describing a number of lapses and problems with the ride and=20 its operation, the report concluded that none of them had contributed=20 to the boy's death. 2 of the 4 operators were taking a break when the=20 accident occurred, for instance, and 3 of them had not been trained=20 in how to turn off the ride. At a news conference held by the boy's mother, Elayne Cassara, on=20 Friday in White Plains, the family's lawyer, Marvin Salenger, called=20 the report "self-serving and outrageous." Mrs. Cassara repeated what=20 she said recently when she announced her lawsuit against the county -=20 that she never would have let her son, who was afraid of the dark, on=20 the ride by himself had she known it was scary. "My son is an=20 obedient child and he would never dream of getting out of the boat=20 unless he was extremely frightened," she said, adding that operators=20 should be stationed inside the tunnel to supervise the riders. She also criticized the witnesses for disappearing after the=20 ride. "Where were they when I was screaming, 'Please, somebody help=20 me?' " she asked. "Where were these witnesses?" After the accident, the county announced that it would post warnings=20 and distribute brochures alerting parents that Ye Old Mill and 3=20 other dark, enclosed rides in the park might frighten some children.=20 It also instructed operators to allow a parent or older sibling to=20 ride at no cost if a child appeared anxious. But on Friday, officials described a few new measures to assure the=20 safety of Ye Old Mill in particular, including the placement of a=20 surveillance camera at the beginning of the ride, where Jon-Kely was=20 discovered pinned beneath one of 2 conveyor belts. And a trip wire=20 between the belts will, when triggered, turn on the lights and stop=20 the motion automatically. ------------ Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:24:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13372 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:24:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:22:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:22:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:22:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Demler vows meeting on proposed 'Oz' park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vU8VJsxEC97ryCn4Aoh4zbxvSzSlL3OhN8yNWsWd2KUw1cU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/15/2005 The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051115/1070564.asp By THAD KOMOROWSKI=20 WHEATFIELD, NY -- A meeting to determine the relevant concerns of the=20 proposed $750 million "Wizard of Oz" theme park will be held next=20 month. The Town Board voted unanimously Monday to call for an environmental=20 impact study on the important environmental issues surrounding the=20 project that is targeted for 800 acres off River Rd. The focus of the=20 study would be partially determined through discussions at the=20 meeting. Although Supervisor Timothy Demler could not give a date for the=20 public scoping session, he promised that it would be scheduled next=20 month in the town Community Center, which is behind the Town Hall at=20 2800 Church Rd. He also said the proposal would have more=20 documentation. "There will be a site plan this time ready for=20 discussion," Demler noted. "The purpose of the meeting is to address=20 the studies that will be needed for the project." One of the criticisms of the proposed theme park has been a lack of a=20 site plan or map to show exactly where the park is to be built, as=20 well as its access roads. According to the measure approved by the=20 board, the park is to be located "east of Williams Rd, south of Jagow=20 Rd, west of Witmer Rd and north of River Rd." Several meetings and hearings have been held to discuss the project=20 that is proposed by Oz Central, L.L.P. that holds the licensing=20 rights for the name from the family of L. Frank Baum, author of the=20 popular "Oz" series of children's books. While most of the meeting concerned zoning changes necessary for the=20 park, most residents brought up issues such as traffic flow, noise,=20 drainage, financing and government incentives. Demler said he would make an announcement when the meeting is set to=20 give the public time to attend. In other action, the board agreed to impose a $25 late fee for any=20 master electrician license that is renewed after Dec. 31 of each year. Building Inspector Jennifer Caldwell told the board more than a third=20 of the yearly renewals are late. She said the added fee would provide=20 motivation and create a source of revenue for the town. ------------ Copyright 1999 - 2005 - The Buffalo News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20881 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:31:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:28:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:28:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:28:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney reorganizes resorts management, promotes Weiss to top spot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZXQTuSYduzdO9ZSMYaD-SR7CxaS4QVrN1v6xjXsPiwucGu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 15, 2005 Orlando Business Journal http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/051115/1191235.html?.v=3D1 Burbank, CA -- In a major restructuring of its theme park and resort=20 operations, the Walt Disney Co. has repositioned 8 senior executives,=20 giving each worldwide responsibilities to tie together Disney's=20 global operations in Florida, California, Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong. Al Weiss, president of the Walt Disney World Resort and a 33-year=20 veteran of the company, has been named president of worldwide=20 operations. He will continue to manage the Florida resort, in addition to the new=20 duties, until a replacement is named. The new executives, says Disney, will make up a working executive=20 committee designed to develop strategy. The committee reports to Jay=20 Rasulo, chairman of the parks and resorts division. Rasulo has also=20 absorbed responsibility for Walt Disney Imagineering, the company's=20 design group. In a Nov. 14 statement, Disney says CEO Robert Iger's goal for the=20 reorganized division is to rapidly roll out new projects and be more=20 consistent in its business practices. Members of the committee include Meg Crofton, formerly the executive=20 VP of human resources for WDW. She will remain in Orlando. Others, all from the parks and resorts division, include Nick=20 Franklin, who had been senior VP of international development;=20 Imagineering President Don Goodman; parks CFO Jim Hunt, who will also=20 be responsible for technology; and Michael Mendenhall, executive VP=20 of global marketing. Leslie Goodman, senior VP of strategic communications, was named=20 senior VP of public affairs. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 15 10:52:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24329 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 18:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2005 18:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 18:52:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2005 18:51:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:51:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Heart defect caused death on Disney ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rq1h8H0UCO1_H-QGpwt2Rr2MlPRbIaxJhgLK37eISCyplp8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November, 15, 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! News By Barbara Liston=20 ORLANDO, Fl -- A heart defect caused the death of a 4-y.o. boy who=20 collapsed in June after riding a rocket simulator at Walt Disney=20 World, according to a Florida autopsy report released on Tuesday. Daudi Bamuwamye, who was on vacation from Pennsylvania with his=20 family, suffered cardiac arrhythmia due to an abnormality of the=20 heart muscle that he probably had since birth, the autopsy said. "People with this condition are at risk for sudden death throughout=20 their life due to abnormal electrical heart rhythms. This risk could=20 be increased under physical or emotional stressful situations," said=20 Dr. Jan Garavaglia, chief medical examiner for the district that=20 includes Orlando. Bamuwamye's mother told investigators he became rigid while riding=20 Epcot's Mission: SPACE, a technologically advanced attraction that=20 uses spinning centrifugal force to create the sensation of a rocket=20 launch. Bamuwamye was unresponsive at the end of the ride. After determining=20 there was no trauma to Bamuwamye's body, and no malfunctions with the=20 ride, Disney reopened the attraction the following morning. Warning signs and audio recordings discourage visitors from riding=20 the attraction if they are pregnant or have heart conditions or back=20 and neck problems. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 06:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23933 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 14:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 14:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 14:03:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 14:03:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 14:03:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:03:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Ideal park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=nTxZJ0R6LO567dNGpB89fWGtlKHen8JtBlS7vNhePGbukG6LThCmx9I X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Better late than never, so here goes! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > > So, what you you guys put in your ideal moderate-sized park? Not a=20 > huge park with a monster budget that hopes to compete on a national=20 > scale, and not a small park that only attracts locals, but=20 something=20 > that attracts people from, say, a 2-hour drive away from a big=20 city.=20 > A place with room and budget for maybe 2 or 3 full-size coasters. >=20 > What sort of rides? Other amenities? Design elements? >=20 coasters: 1 - A medium sized wooden coaster - something suitable for families. 2 - A large steel coaster - something not too intense, but with lots=20 of airtime, probably no loops. - Standard seated (so everyone gets a=20 good view) 3 - A smaller, more intense steel coaster, something like nemesis,=20 but not iverted (so everyone gets a good view) 4 - a "something different" coaster - again a small one.... I've=20 always thought that a sidewards facing coaster would be a neat idea,=20 and maybe a way of getting an inverted in, and still letting everyone=20 get a good view.. 5 - A small "top hat" launching coaster - probably 100 foot tall. (is that too many coasters - blackpool pleasure beach squeezes in=20 about 7 or 8, and that's a very small park) Others; 1 - A rapids ride - possibly with a "squirting gallery" where non=20 riders can give the riders a soaking.. 2 - An indoor log flime 3 - A well themed haunted mansion / ghost train, I don't think i'd=20 make it interactive, but it would have the usual ghosties, changing=20 backgrounds in corridors, the queue would also form a good part of=20 the ride.. 4 - The usual carousel, and a selection of kiddy rides, including a=20 helter skelter, mini trains and coasters. 5 - A spinning drum style ride (Ie, one whhere the centripetal=20 force "sticks" you to the wall as the floor is lowered - they used to=20 have a great one of these at the pleasure beach in gt Yarmouth. 6 - A magic carpet (ya know, like a pirate ship that stays flat(, but=20 maybe make it tilt a little bit. 7 - Bumper cars 8 - A "swing" ride, like rush at thorpe park (like a pirate ship, but=20 far more intense) 9 - An intense spinning pirate ship style ride 10- a storybook themed boat ride - part indoors and part outdoors 11- an "elevator drop" ride Shows: 1 - An indoor fountain and light show 2 - A good old "cinema 180" 3 - One for the kiddies Extras: 1 - the usual shooting gallerys, arcades, and prize stalls. Other features: 1 - open until late 2 - admission by "small entry fee" to cover snaller rides, thrill=20 rides by tokens or unlimited rides armband. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 08:01:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92831 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 16:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 16:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 16:01:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 15:59:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 15:59:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:59:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Proxy adviser calls for Six Flags investors to back Snyder control bid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X_JaT8t853HUTu0CLeGXrb4Haz1amz004MXPDjHfym1oSYs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 15, 2005 Washington Business Journal Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/051115/1191463.html?.v=3D1 Proxy adviser Institutional Shareholder Services has chimed in on=20 Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder's bid to grab control of the Six=20 Flags amusement-park chain. Snyder wants to increase his stake in the company and remove 3=20 directors. Rockville-based ISS says shareholders are best served by=20 delivering consents to Snyder's proposals at this time. According to a statement from Snyder's Red Zone (RZ), which is 6F's=20 biggest shareholder with 11.7% of shares as of Oct. 19, ISS cited=20 6F's "poor long-term performance" and RZ's track record of turning=20 around companies. The ISS position increases the pressure on 6F after the Oklahoma=20 company posted 6 straight annual losses. In August, Snyder offered $6.50 a share to almost triple his stake in=20 a proposal that would remove CEO Kieran Burke and 2 other board=20 members. In response, 6F put itself up for sale and urged=20 shareholders to reject Snyder's bid. RZ wants to replace Burke with Mark Shapiro, CEO of RZ. In addition,=20 CFO James Dannhauser and Stanley Shuman would be booted off the=20 board. Snyder, Shapiro and NVR Chairman Dwight Schar would then=20 become directors. ISS says, "The board cannot have its cake and eat it too, by trying=20 to convince shareholders that its plan is the best vision of the=20 future yet simultaneously putting the company on the block." ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 08:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60046 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 16:06:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 16:06:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: People with cardiac problems should avoid amusement park staples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QC0fz3GDb9LKPj_OS_cfbB15qys7pcDROHE19csqp9NUNqE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/15/2005 HealthDay News Health Scout http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/529168/main.html By Amanda Gardner Dallas, TX -- A wild roller coaster ride can trigger an irregular=20 heartbeat in some riders, which could lead to death among those with=20 cardiac conditions. That's what German scientists reported Tuesday at the American Heart=20 Association's annual meeting in Dallas. Their presentation coincided with the release of an autopsy report=20 from the Orange County, Fl., medical examiner's office on 4-y.o.=20 Daudi Bamuwamye, who died in June after riding "Mission Space," a=20 rocket ship ride at Walt Disney World's Epcot Center. The autopsy revealed the boy had an underlying heart condition that=20 affected his heart's left ventricle, CNN reported. The boy's family=20 was apparently not aware of the condition. "This is exactly the type=20 of case I am talking about," said study author Dr. Jurgen Koschyk, a=20 cardiologist at University Hospital in Mannheim, Germany. "For people=20 with known heart disease or prior history of heart attack, we=20 strongly recommend that they not enter a roller coaster." Koschyk undertook the study after being invited to talk about the=20 subject on German TV, and finding there was no research. "There was=20 no data, really no data," he said. "It's a problem in Germany, and=20 probably more of a problem in the U.S. because rides are harder,=20 quicker, faster, there are more gravity forces." For the study, Koschyk and his colleagues enlisted the help of 37 men=20 and 18 women, average age 28. Heart rates were recorded before, during and after a roller coaster=20 ride at Expedition GeForce in Holiday Park Hassloch, Germany. The=20 ride involved a 120-second journey, ascending to 62 meters above the=20 starting point, followed by a free fall and changes in gravity of 6 G=20 in 4 seconds, with a maximum speed of 75 miles per hour. Mean at-rest heart rates were 91 beats per minute, or normal. After 1=20 minute on the ride, the average maximum heart rates jumped to an=20 average 153 bpm. Women had higher average heart rates (165 bpm) than=20 men (148.5 bpm). Such an increase could cause arrhythmias, or irregular heartbeats, in=20 some individuals. That, in turn, could spur a more serious problem,=20 Koschyk said. In this study, nearly half of the participants had irregular=20 heartbeats or significant sinus arrhythmia after the ride came to a=20 stop. One participant had an episode of atrial fibrillation, an=20 irregularity in the heart's two upper chambers. Emotional stress appeared to be a major contributing factor for the=20 abnormalities. For young, healthy people, the nerve-jangling ups and downs of a=20 roller coaster is probably no problem. But people with high blood=20 pressure, a previous heart attack, an implanted pacemaker or=20 defibrillator, or other types of heart disease shouldn't take the=20 risk, the study authors stated. According to CNN, since "Mission Space" opened in 2003, 7 people have=20 been taken to a hospital for chest pains, fainting or nausea. People=20 with "high blood pressure, heart, back or neck problems, motion=20 sickness" as well as "expectant mothers" are warned off the ride, the=20 network said. The ride simulates a rocket blastoff and mission to Mars, CNN stated.=20 The Disney Web site describes the experience as "out of this world." -------------- =A9 2005 ScoutNews, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 08:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62001 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 16:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 16:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 16:19:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 16:17:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 16:17:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:17:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dorney's oldest building, the former Mansion House Hotel, is coming down X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3fPwhVd2j1_QgDOQkix_kNL4wPrnUpVUIjoAPfF7tFgPqAY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 16, 2005 The Morning Call http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_5dorneynov16,0,7048067.story? coll=3Dall-news-hed By Ron Devlin Allentown, PA -- Before it passes into history, Bob Ott took one last=20 look at the old building in the center of Dorney Park. Its original elegance had long been masked by additions, facades and=20 signs that read "Gold Mine Arcade" and "Dippin' Dots Ice Cream." Few, other than Ott, 87, former DP chairman, know that beneath the=20 fake brick and aluminum siding lies a jewel that was at the center of=20 the 121-y.o. amusement park's history. It's the Mansion House Hotel & Restaurant, the oldest building in DP,=20 and today it will fall to the wrecking ball. "I get a tear in my eye=20 when I think of it being torn down," confessed Ott, who worked at the=20 park for 40 years. "But it's time for it to go." DP management had considered renovating the structure, spokeswoman=20 Heather Kramer said, but its age and condition made the work too=20 expensive. "We had no choice but to tear it down," Kramer said. The building, next to center stage, will be replaced by a Subway=20 sandwich shop and an outdoor plaza when the park reopens next year. Ott, who retired in 1986, revisited the old structure Tuesday and=20 reminisced about the park's history. The MH Hotel & Restaurant was owned by Solomon Dorney, the park's=20 founder, in the 1880s. Dorney, who farmed the area around the hotel,=20 raised trout and served them as a delicacy in his restaurant. "It had=20 a big front porch with rocking chairs, like most of the hotels of the=20 day," said Ott, who has reproductions of old MH photographs. "This is=20 where it all began." Solomon Dorney added crude amusement rides to the hotel =97 the Old=20 Mill, the Ferris wheel and the Scenic Railway. In 1884, with more=20 rides added, DP was born. Installation of a double-track trolley line in 1899 was a key factor=20 in the park's development, Ott said. At a time when few had=20 automobiles, the trolley provided a convenient way for Allentown=20 residents to get to the park. "That's what made the park," Ott=20 said. "Transportation." The Allentown-Kutztown Traction Co., which owned the trolley system,=20 bought the park in 1901. The trolley line operated it until 1923, the=20 year the 1st wooden roller coaster was built, when the company sold=20 the park to Robert Plarr, Bill Ruske and Ray Sandt. Plarr bought out=20 the partners a few years later, initiating the park's modern era. Ott married Plarr's daughter, Sally, in 1940. After a stint in the=20 Merchant Marine during World War II, he began working at the park in=20 1946. "I did everything from slinging hot dogs to painting=20 buildings," he recalled. "In those days, you did everything." In 1966, after the death of then-President Steven Plarr, Ott became=20 president. He was elevated to chairman of the board in 1980 and=20 retired 6 years later. Tramping through the dark innards of the old MH, Ott recalled=20 milestones in the park's history. Ott recalled one incident in the big-band era, when top bands like=20 Tommy Dorsey's played at Castle Garden dance hall on the park=20 grounds. Eddy Duchin, a big-band pianist, was playing "Stormy=20 Weather" when a bolt of lightning knocked out the lights. "Nobody=20 minded. They just kept on dancing," Ott said. Then there was the nun who did an unintentional back-flip off the=20 rowboat ride when the operator jerked the boat. And the woman who=20 peeled potatoes in her bare feet at the french fries stand. Ott was "flabbergasted" at the $2 million price tag of Thunder Creek=20 Mountain, the park's flume ride. He just signed the loan papers and=20 hoped it was the right thing to do. "You had to gamble in this=20 business," Ott said. "Sun or rain makes the difference between profit=20 or loss." Ott scoured the deteriorating upper floors of the old MH, where he=20 found old DP envelopes and a sound speaker from the 1940s. Insignificant to most, they were treasures to a man who invested 4=20 decades of his life in the park, run by Cedar Fair L.P. of Ohio since=20 1992. He's comfortable with CF's modernization, which has turned the=20 park into a fiesta of 100 rides on 200 acres. Yet, it was hard for the old amusement park warrior to let go of the=20 one remaining symbol of the park's 19th century origin. "It's hard to=20 see it go," said Ott, wearing a DP baseball hat. "But that's=20 progress." -------- =A92005 - The Morning Call From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 11:11:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55613 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 19:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 19:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 19:11:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 19:11:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 19:11:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:11:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Rising costs dent Euro Disney profit hopes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hGWLQqlKIrExKZOUhN-MXCjjHAfm6jlmLxGm90TO9ExTOnM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 16 2005 The Financial Times http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e2df3f32-56c6-11da-b98c-00000e25118c.html By Matthew Garrahan Marne la Vall=E9e, France -- Euro Disney on Wednesday announced a=20 reduction in full-year net losses, but rising labour costs thwarted=20 the theme-park operator's efforts to return to the black. High interest payments on debts incurred when its first Paris park=20 was constructed have prevented Euro Disney from generating regular=20 profits. However, a =801.7bn ($2bn) financial reorganisation released the=20 company from some of its debt obligations. "There was a significant=20 conversion of debt to equity by the Walt Disney Company which reduced=20 our interest expense," said Jeff Speed, finance director. This was the main factor in the narrowing of net losses from =80145.2m=20 to =8094.9m, he added. Attendance at Euro Disney's 2 Paris parks was flat at 12.3m, in spite=20 of a new programme of seasonal events aimed at attracting visitors in=20 off-peak periods. "We had a difficult third quarter," said Speed,=20 adding that the 1st half had been "solid".=20 He expressed confidence that the group's strategy was working. "Our=20 3rd quarter tends to be difficult. But over the next 2 years we will=20 be opening brand new attractions [in that period] so we should see=20 some growth." Euro Disney has high hopes for its Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast=20 attraction, which it plans to launch in 2006. The ride has been a big=20 hit at other Disney parks. Occupancy at the hotels next to the Paris parks had risen to their=20 highest level for 3 years.=20 Turnover rose 3% to =801.08bn, reflecting increased spending by park=20 visitors. However, rising revenues were offset by reduced spending by hotel=20 guests and increasing labour costs. Labour costs rose 7% to =80427.3m. "We're talking to the unions and=20 trying to get more flexibility in how we pay for our labour," said=20 Speed. "We're looking to stabilise labour costs." In May, Euro Disney parted company with Andre Lacroix, its CEO. Karl=20 Holz, the group's new CEO, on Wednesday said Euro=20 Disney's "fundamental indicators allow us to be confident in the=20 future". ------------ =A9 Copyright The Financial Times Ltd 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 11:26:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74239 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 19:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2005 19:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 19:26:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 19:23:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2005 19:23:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:23:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Universal earnings, attendance slip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sHthJrPFa2Xee-fH9VjvWKMkwC5ISd9cR-684arGvQfamW4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 16, 2005 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl- universal1605nov16,0,5411127.story?coll=3Dorl-business-headlines- tourism&track=3Drss by Richard Burnett Orlando, FL -- Hit by increased competition, rising gas prices and a=20 record hurricane season, Universal Orlando's parent company saw its=20 profits fall 25% as attendance slipped at the Orlando theme park=20 during its most recent quarter, the company said Tuesday. Universal City Development Partners Ltd. cited Disney's aggressive=20 global marketing of Disneyland's 50th anniversary as being a major=20 factor in capturing market share from UO during the period from early=20 July to early October. It also noted that skyrocketing gas prices and the threat of=20 hurricanes put a dent in tourist travel, contributing to its theme=20 park attendance slump. Theme park revenues decreased almost 11% during the quarter,=20 according to the Universal City conglomerate - a joint venture of NBC=20 Universal and Blackstone Capital Partners, a New York-based private=20 equity firm. Overall paid admissions decreased 16%, with outer-U.S., international=20 and Florida markets, down 32%, 3% and 2%, respectively, the company=20 said. The company said several factors help put the latest quarter in=20 perspective: It would be tough to beat last year's numbers: UO had a record 2004,=20 boosted by the May opening of its popular Revenge of the Mummy ride. Despite the attendance woes, 2005 revenues to date almost equal=20 2004's. Guest spending is up and the park's new Fear Factor=20 attraction is a strong draw. The latest quarter does not include the biggest attendance days of=20 Universal's Halloween Horror Nights. Overall, UO continues to be a profit engine for its parent company.=20 Net income totaled more than $34 million for the first 9 months of=20 2005, up 40% from the year-earlier period, the company said. Still, increased interest income and lower expenses - in the form of=20 savings from refinanced long-term debt - accounted for much of the=20 profitability. Actual theme park revenues decreased 2% during the 9- month period. UO is not alone in dealing with attendance issues, industry experts=20 said. "Disney did a good job hitting all markets with its 50th anniversary=20 celebration, and they got a good pop from that," said Dennis Speigel,=20 president of International Theme Park Services Inc., a consulting=20 firm based in Cincinnati. "But in general, the attractions business=20 is going to be flat or down for the year, with few exceptions." Disney officials would not comment. Speigel said his company began the year with a positive theme park=20 forecast, contingent on oil prices remaining moderate and hurricanes=20 staying at bay. "Obviously, that didn't happen," he said. As long as gas prices remain high, all theme parks will have their=20 work cut out for them in competing for the travel dollar, said Ady=20 Milman, a professor at the University of Central Florida and theme=20 park section coordinator for the Rosen College of Hospitality=20 Management. "Universal is very competitive with its thrill rides and=20 pricing strategies," he said. "But the main issue for all theme parks=20 now is consumer perception. The latest surveys about consumer=20 spending indicate people are worried about high gas prices and they=20 are looking to save money. That's a challenge the theme park industry=20 has to overcome." ----------- Copyright =A9 2005, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 06:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41697 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 14:59:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 14:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 14:58:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:58:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Noted Theme Park Designer to Expand Wild Animal Safari Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=L-DkJKkzUj-2z-3586-QKmGidJBR6IGjUWikg66k5tXKhIY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 17, 2005 Press Release: Great American Family Parks, Inc. PRNewswire-FirstCall Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051117/lath003.html?.v=3D32 BOISE, Idaho -- Great American Family Parks, Inc., a company focused=20 on developing profitable regional theme parks in the U.S., announced=20 today that the Company has retained the services of amusement park=20 and attraction design firm Bruce D. Robinson Architecture Design to=20 fully expand the Company's Wild Animal Safari Park property according=20 to the expansion strategy for the entire 500 acres owned. Currently,=20 the park occupies 200 acres with 300 acres remaining for expansion. BDRA/D handles all phases of the design and execution process. BDRA/D=20 has completed projects at such high-profile venues as Dollywood Show=20 Street in Pigeon Forge, TN; Grand Palace in Branson, MO; Guinness=20 World Records Experience in San Antonio, TX; and Six Flags New=20 England Capital Expansion in Agawam, MA. Dr. Larry Eastland, President of GAFP, said, "We believe Mr. Robinson=20 and his firm have an established reputation for creating compelling=20 and interactive attractions that draw guests into a rich experience.=20 We're excited by the value his creativity and experience will add to=20 Wild Animal Safari Park." BDRA/D provides a full range of services including theme & concept=20 development, master planning, site & landscape development, and=20 design of architecture, interiors, graphics and signage. Its project=20 experience includes theme parks, water parks, family entertainment=20 centers and cinemas, retail centers, museums and aquariums, sports=20 and fitness facilities, and gaming attractions. ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 07:15:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90484 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 15:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 15:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 15:15:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:15:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:15:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:15:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Budget keeps bus services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yMUe21d6POccfe5mrQ3bkfiegparg73dVzDdAOrNSUBGmlw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Okay, so I'm going to take a little different approach to this one. Green Bay's City Council approved this coming year's budget. Plus: Bay Beach Amusement Park will remain open between 8 & 9 p.m.=20 after a 9-3 vote on a motion by Alderman Chad Fradette to put $14,000=20 back into the parks budget. If you want to read all about small town politics, the link is below. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ November 17, 2005=20 Greenbay Press Gazette http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051117/GPG0101/511170391/1207/GPGnews By Andy Behrendt=20 ---------------- Copyright 2005 Greenbay Press Gazette Copyright 2005 Gannett Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 07:28:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86086 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 15:28:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:27:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:27:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: KUKA Robotics Partners with Amusement Ride Manufacturer Primal Rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VnNf21PhE8Uv76sXUZypE217o2sif3xvhWDxe5Ioo0VngV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 16, 2005 Press Release: KUKA Robotics Corporation Yahoo! Finance BUSINESS WIRE http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051116/20051116005125.html?.v=3D1 CLINTON TOWNSHIP, MI -- KUKA Robotics Corporation, a leading global=20 manufacturer of industrial robots, today announced it has signed a=20 development agreement with Primal Rides, of Ontario, Canada to=20 provide robots for its new themed interactive amusement center=20 attractions. The interactive centers will allow smaller local theme=20 parks to offer the look and feel for a big dollar attraction at a=20 minimal cost. "The new themed rides or centers using our robots are extremely=20 creative and look to be the most exciting amusement attractions in=20 the business today," said Christon Manzella, key technology manager=20 for entertainment for KUKA. "Primal will be using our robots as the=20 cornerstone for these rides as they create custom-themed competitive=20 rides tailored to its customer's requirements." The company plans to use multiple models of KUKA robots for its=20 Interactive robotic attractions. Targeted to small and medium=20 entertainment venues, the attractions will appeal to the rider's=20 competitive nature by offering rides challenging opponents to score=20 points by hitting targets. In one example conceptualized by the=20 company, 4 passengers are strapped to the end of a 16' robotic arm,=20 moving in a limitless ride profile at 2G forces while participating=20 in an interactive shooting game. The participants are challenged to=20 shoot targets located throughout the scenery. As their group points=20 increase the intensity of the targets and the speed of the robot=20 increases. The robotic attractions are flexible in that they can be=20 designed for small children (36"-52"), adults (52" and above) and/or=20 both. Primal Rides, located in Renfrew, Ontario, Canada, is a leading=20 entertainment and attraction manufacturer. It specializes in fully- themed environments which it creates and builds based on close=20 consultation with its clients. The company specializes in systems=20 integration with in-house theme and scenic departments and also has=20 foam and metal fabricating capabilities. The company's expertise=20 includes theme park rides, animatronics, props and scenery. For more=20 information on Primal Rides call 613-433-7325 or visit their website=20 at www.primalrides.com. KUKA Robotics Corporation, with its parent company KUKA Roboter GmbH,=20 Augsburg, Germany, is one of the world's leading manufacturers of=20 industrial robots, with an annual production volume approaching=20 10,000 units, and an installed base of over 60,000 units. The=20 company's 5 & 6 axis robots range from 3kg-570kg payloads, and 635mm- 700mm reach, all controlled from a common PC based controller=20 platform. KUKA robots are utilized in a diverse range of industries=20 including the appliance, automotive, aerospace, consumer goods,=20 logistics, food, pharmaceutical, medical, foundry and plastics=20 industries and in multiple applications including material handling,=20 machine loading, assembly, packaging, palletizing, welding, bending,=20 joining, and surface finishing. For more information contact KUKA=20 Robotics at 866-873-5852 or visit their website at=20 www.kukarobotics.com. The KUKA logo is a registered trademark of KUKA Roboter GmbH. KUKA is=20 a trademark of KUKA Roboter GmbH. All other trademarks are owned by=20 their respective companies. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 07:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4915 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 15:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 15:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 15:36:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:34:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:34:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk Discovers New Evidence in 'Surf City' Dispute X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tn-P10vlj5OccX_wg0iMAsrZE_1ktFWOk5yL6-U8SCCrEWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 16, 2005 Press Release: Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk=20 PRNewswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051116/sfw019.html?.v=3D29 SANTA CRUZ, CA -- The Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, the oldest seaside=20 amusement park on the West Coast, has discovered new evidence=20 supporting the city of Santa Cruz's claim to the title of=20 original "Surf City". The dispute about the title has been raging=20 between the California beach cities of Santa Cruz and Huntington=20 Beach. Researchers at SCBB recently discovered a 1927 newspaper story from=20 the San Jose Mercury Herald about a Pacific Coast Hoover convention=20 that references Santa Cruz as "Surf City". The article entitled "Salesmen Praise Santa Cruz" includes a=20 photograph of the Hoover conventioneers captioned, "Managers of=20 Pacific Coast Hoover company who adjourned yesterday after a 5-day=20 convention at Surf City where they came to attend school of=20 instruction." The article documents Santa Cruz's right to the title "Surf City" 36=20 years prior to the release of the Jan and Dean hit song of the same=20 title. The family-owned SCBB is preparing materials for a new book to=20 be published in early 2007, to commemorate the 100th Anniversary of=20 the historic Beach Boardwalk seaside amusement park. "It's settled," said Santa Cruz mayor Mike Rotkin. "We now have clear=20 evidence to support our claim to the title of Surf City." "The company archivist is cataloging a large number of photographs,=20 newspaper clippings, and incredible artifacts from the Boardwalk's=20 past," said Marq Lipton, VP of sales & marketing. "Most of these=20 materials have been filed, boxed, and forgotten for decades. It's=20 exciting to discover historical materials and images the public has=20 never seen before." SCBB is California's only seaside amusement park offering both modern=20 thrill rides and historic attractions. Located at 400 Beach Street in=20 Santa Cruz, the park features rides, games, restaurants, and free=20 summer beach concerts. For more information visit=20 www.beachboardwalk.com ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 07:45:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76958 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 15:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 15:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 15:45:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:45:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:45:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 15:45:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:45:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney looks to creativity, technology and expansion to grow and dazzle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=p0DL-iYN_DFgXmUXvbu9ZlxX0_1tCfgcCsowzfMkuI8Tdqc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 17, 2005 The Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/money/homepage/article_775037.php By MICHELE HIMMELBERG Burbank, CA -- Today, for the first time in more than 20 years, someone other than Michael Eisner will be at the helm as the Walt Disney Co. reports its year-end performance to stockholders. Robert Iger finalizes his transition to CEO of the media conglomerate with a report today that is likely to spotlight increased earnings at ABC, the unit Iger once led, and the Parks & Resorts division, which has been profitable in part because of Disneyland's historic 50th anniversary celebration. The 4th-quarter numbers are important as Disney wraps up a year of promised double-digit growth. But more significant to the company's future is Iger's vision for long-term growth and innovation. He told executives last week of his plan to target three areas: creative content, technology and international expansion. Those are no surprise, since Iger has been pitching his strategy since he officially took over for Eisner last month. But it served as a clear call to action for each division of the giant company - parks and resorts; media networks; consumer products and studios. Technology gives Disney more options in creating theme-park attractions, some of which can cut costs. For instance, programmable rides - such as Star Tours and Tower of Terror - could be reprogrammed to offer a new experience and increase rider "repeatability." Matt Ouimet, president of the Disneyland Resort, said he likes Iger's plans. "New CEOs often come in and change things for 2 reasons," said Ouimet, who was speaking at the Center for Leadership Development at UC Irvine. "They're bored, or they can't drive the metrics of the company. It's too hard so they change it. What I like is that Bob has laid out something that's really good for us." Content drives all Disney business. Like other companies, Disney must grapple with questions about content's volatility, Ouimet said: What will content look like in the future, especially as digitization evolves? Who will create the content, as technology makes it easier for individuals to create what the big studios are making? What will consumers be willing to pay for content, as more material becomes free online? Films in 3-D, for example, could be the next trend. This year's Chicken Little was the first Disney film offered in the company's new 3-D format, as well as being the first entirely computer-generated animation film. Movie-goers gravitated to the 3-D format. In a typical Disney cross-promotion, the Chicken Little character already is roaming theme parks. International expansion is a logical diversification for Disney, which derives 25% of its revenues from overseas. Cultural barriers present a challenge to growth, but the company continues to push ahead in India and China. Disney opened its first theme park in China this year, Hong Kong Disneyland. Although repeated rumors have Disney building another park in that region, the company is looking at new ways to deliver the "Disney experience," said Jay Rasulo, chief of the Parks & Resorts division. "Our experience in Hong Kong reassured us that the Disney experience really does transcend cultures," Rasulo said. "People there did not grow up with Disney and yet they really embrace the concept. So we're looking at other forms of immersive entertainment, some that might look like a Disney park, and others that might be of a different scale." That could include new itineraries for the Disney Cruise Line, which experimented with a West Coast route this summer. DL's 50th anniversary celebration, which runs through 2006, has drawn steady crowds to Anaheim this year, and bookings continue to be strong through the holiday season. The marketing campaign for the 50th anniversary, Disney's first global approach to selling its parks, worked so well that the Parks & Resorts division announced a restructuring this week that brings a global approach to all facets of its business. The change will integrate business functions of all 11 theme parks under the direction of an 8-member executive committee that provides strategic direction and growth objectives. Information will be more easily shared and decision-making streamlined, but there are "no immediate plans" for job cuts, said Leslie Goodman, a Disney spokeswoman. ----------- Copyright 2005 The Orange County Register From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 08:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29229 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 16:34:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65408 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 16:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20051117163428.65406.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [15.227.249.72] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:34:28 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:34:28 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT: Does anyone know what happened to RCT 3 WILD Pack? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=dIxxIwM3dhsNWc1H2WY_L9c52ZJLNU77n7_MBvqgTvuFjwOyPrM3X_Ah X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Howdy! Does anyone know anything about the release of RCT3 WILD expansion pack? Best, Gus. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Nov 17 09:59:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73400 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 17:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 17:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 17:59:10 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1647090wra for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr2427895qbd; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.183.14 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:59:06 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20051117163428.65406.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051117163428.65406.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT: Does anyone know what happened to RCT 3 WILD Pack? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=T0JTXfpMwjvnij9j0g0zBOmnoWbrN_Kapp-_OrwPFhBrjkLwnghfw3o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Does anyone know anything about the release of RCT3 > WILD expansion pack? It has been released. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Nov 17 10:05:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74259 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 18:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 18:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xmail.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 18:05:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12942 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2005 18:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 18:06:07 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eco8C-0006jT-TA for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:05:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20051117163428.65406.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:10:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT: Does anyone know what happened to RCT 3 WILD Pack? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=3v49d6cbA7AZLk_geL9Cm63j2DmBxYA-AmYZQnfxxZrwezPDUVvo X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Does anyone know anything about the release of RCT3 >> WILD expansion pack? > > It has been released. On a side note, the port of RCT3 for OS X has also started shipping. Here's the article... http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/11/17/rct3/index.php?lsrc=3Dmwrss Aspyr Media Inc. confirmed on Thursday that it=92s shipping its Mac=20=20 conversion of Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. The game costs US$49.99 and is=20=20 rated E for Everyone by the ESRB. The first of the enormously popular strategy game series to make it=20=20 to the Macintosh, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 puts you in charge of the=20=20 construction, operation and maintenance of amusement parks. Featuring=20=20 a 3D game engine, Rollercoaster Tycoon lets you build the park with=20=20 more than 170 different rides, staff it with maintenance, operations=20=20 and security people, create concession and souvenir stands and much=20=20 more =97 you can even choreograph your own fireworks display. The new technology that drives this game lets you see the park from a=20=20 guest=92s eye view, riding the rides in the CoasterCam. It features day = =20 and night cycles, simulated weather effects and more. You can lay=20=20 down thrill rides, kiddie rides and more, including rollercoasters=20=20 using pre-built designs, or you can create your own coasters from=20=20 scratch. A Career mode tests your skills as you try to reach various goals,=20=20 such as revenue or attendance marks, lengths and excitement levels of=20=20 rides and more. You can also opt for the Sandbox mode, which lets you=20=20 play free of budgetary or logistical constraints. System requirements call for Mac OS X v10.3.9 or later, G4/1GHz or=20=20 faster, 256MB RAM, 2.0GB hard disk space, ATI Radeon 9000 or Nvidia=20=20 GeForce FX 5200 or better 3D graphics with at least 32MB VRAM and DVD=20=20 drive. ----------------- Mike From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Nov 17 11:41:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7312 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.38 From: "bastienfred" Subject: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=cPqN7cS0cNHtYKRAcupBsH2IlDs2GiNvzKtKzkw0XE4iW99J3Dk X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred THE NEWEST SIX FLAGS "SPECIES OF FEAR" REVEALED Six Flags Magic Mountain Unleashes Yet Another Monster Into Its=20 Unequaled Coaster Dynasty ...TATSU ... The Tallest, Fastest, Longest Flying Beast on Planet Earth! VALENCIA, CA. =96 Marking the renown Thrill Park's 35th anniversary,=20 Six Flags Magic Mountain unleashes another monster addition to its=20 supreme coaster dynasty with TATSU, a "flying beast" to soar into the=20 record books as the tallest, fastest and longest flying coaster on=20 Planet Earth! This new species of fear is slated for a Spring 2006=20 invasion. "Six Flags is known world-wide as the industry leader in next=20 generation thrills. And, bar none, Six Flags Magic Mountain leads=20 the pack always adding the biggest and the best," stated Del Holland,=20 vice president and general manager of Six Flags California. "There's=20 no better way to commemorate the Park's 35th anniversary than to=20 continue to live up to our reputation =96 give our guests a stunning=20 one-of-a-kind ride experience only Six Flags can deliver!"=20 Reaching far beyond traditional thrills, this one-of-a-kind flying=20 beast will take the coaster riding experience to the next=20 generation. Fearless riders will brave a never-been-done-before=20 completely integrated flight pattern =96 up, down, over and through --=20=20 the Park's distinct mountainous terrain with nothing but the sky=20 above and the ground below in a unique "horizontal to earth" flying=20 position. The flight begins with great anticipation as riders board sleek=20 dragon-like vehicles and ascend TATSU'S 170-foot tall lift with arms=20 stretched forward, feet trailing behind and eyes intensely focused on=20 the landscape below. Once reaching the crest, riders will flylike=20 never before, plummeting straight down the mountain, soaring over=20 Roaring Rapids, before entering a sharp 180-degree turn back up the=20 hillside to round the Park's landmark bright orange Sky Tower. The=20 heart-pounding sensation continues as riders race up and down the=20 mountainous terrain, darting in-and-out of looming trees, blazing=20 over the tops of four inversions while dodging Roaring Rapids, Ninja,=20 Orient Express and crossing an opposing Revolution train high above=20 Valencia Falls.=20=20 Aboard the wings of TATSU, riders will fly at speeds in excess of 62=20 miles-per-hour through a series of "butterflies-in-your-stomach"=20 plunges, huge sweeping spirals, stomach wrenching loops and sharp=20 dives, high speed banked curves all deliberately designed to enhance=20 the ultimate sensation of flight. With more than 3,602 feet of=20 blazing red, orange and yellow twisted steel track barely visible=20 intertwined through the mountainside, TATSU'S intense three-and-a- half minute flight faces a dramatic 263-foot change in elevation from=20 its highest peak to inches off the ground and spans four separate=20 areas of the Park.=20=20 "Six Flags Magic Mountain exemplifies the powerful Six Flags thrill=20 brand," stated Paul Ruben, North American editor of Park World=20 magazine and noted roller coaster historian. "Besides strapping=20 yourself onto a jet fighter, no where else can you experience this=20 unique acrobatic flying experience. Tatsu is a tremendous addition=20 to this renown thrill park and the missing link to their remarkable=20 world-class coaster collection." Representing one of the largest capital investments in recent years,=20 TATSU will make a dramatic change to the Park's skyline situated high=20 atop the mountain atSamuraiSummit =96 where time-honored customs of the=20 Far East welcome the newest species into Six Flags' supreme coaster=20 dynasty. The myth and legend of the great Japanese dragon TATSU will=20 cometo life when fearless riders board its wings and fly at the speed=20 of fear! Designed and engineered exclusively for Six Flags Magic Mountain by=20 design coaster experts, Bolliger & Mabillard of Switzerland, TATSU=20 represents the Parks 17th record-setting roller coaster. Since the=20 Park's inception in 1971, Six Flags Magic Mountain continues to=20 deliver the next generation of thrill rides, including X =96 the=20 world's first and only 4th dimensional coaster; D=E9j=E0 Vu =96 the tallest= =20 and fastest suspended looping coaster in the world; Superman=99 The=20 Escape - the first and only ride to break the 100-mph speed barrier;=20 Viper - the tallest looping coaster in the world; The Riddler's=20 Revenge =96 the tallest and fastest standup coaster on the planet and=20 Revolution =96 the world's first 360-degree looping coaster. Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company.=20=20 Through its subsidiaries, it owns and operates a total of 29 parks in=20 North America. Six Flags parks serve 34 of the 50 largest=20 metropolitan areas in the United States. Six Flags, Inc. is a=20 publicly held corporation with corporate offices in New York City and=20 Oklahoma City. The Company's stock trades on the NYSE under the=20 symbol: PKS. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 13:23:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50643 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 21:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 21:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 21:23:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:22:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:22:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=T7KHyCq4bHO6awdYfEjjFLGsGVm1f9u6QnHAWUVNri9N8gNkMH-U X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani You can get a ride-thru at the Magic Mountain website: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/magicmountain/ This was the first year that I had a PlayPass, and I didn't really use=20 it that much. So I was thinking of not renewing it for 2006. But man,=20 Tatsu looks great... I've never been on a flying coaster and it always=20 looked like the sort of thing I'd really like. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 13:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49491 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 21:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 21:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 21:35:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2005 21:35:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:35:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=NpEnFoDRyFuNs7Bl8UEy63tIMjclliqCLMbEP7UKKzqiwtMse6Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani A few notes on this: 1. Seeing as how they're noting how it encircles the Sky Tower in the=20 promotional stuff, can we assume this means that they'll reopen the Sky=20 Tower? 2. This looks like their best-themed coaster in quite a while. Someone=20 mentioned it a while ago, but it's surprising--- in a good way--- that=20 they're actually working to reinforce the Samurai Summit theming. 3. Is the Funicular leaving for good? What about the stairway up to the=20 mountain from the Rapids Camp? Please tell me that the ramp near the=20 Gold Rusher won't be the only way up the mountain. 4. It's a nice touch to have the twin-track loading station... maybe=20 all the complaints about the wait for X made an impression. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Nov 17 15:42:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90088 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 23:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2005 23:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 23:42:20 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EctO1-0006hZ-V2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <437D1549.2040706@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:42:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781fc177a00eba3cd1df532a8782e3be291f6f5ecd1cc3deec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=JlUgL5_y_Dj90KHvxao7MME-xRuIqzSX2NAwX4LGWah8zE0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > A few notes on this: > 1. Seeing as how they're noting how it encircles the Sky Tower in the > promotional stuff, can we assume this means that they'll reopen the Sky > Tower? I'm wondering the same thing myself. I sure hope so, as it's long overdue. It would really seem a bit silly to have a brand new coaster circling a closed tower though. > 3. Is the Funicular leaving for good? What about the stairway up to the > mountain from the Rapids Camp? Please tell me that the ramp near the > Gold Rusher won't be the only way up the mountain. They haven't ripped up the tracks. And as I recall, the vehicles are still there also. So hopefully when it's done they'll remove the paving they put over the one set of tracks and reopen it. They'll almost need to since that'll be the only way up to the coaster from the front of the park. I think that the stairs are gone for good though, at least in their old function. Based on what I'm seeing in the videos, I think that the Alvey's may be right in their guess that the top of the stairs will lead down into the station. The rest of the stairs are ripped up and gone, and I've a feeling that they won't be returning, but that's only a guess. > > 4. It's a nice touch to have the twin-track loading station... maybe > all the complaints about the wait for X made an impression. Actually the twin loading station is a fairly standard deal on B&M flyers, so I don't think that X has much to do with it. Though I have heard that while they have dual stations it seems like the norm is to only use one side except those times that they're actually pushing capacity. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 08:21:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24454 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:19:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:19:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:19:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: What's new at the park? Swings, sunscreen, salsa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n5E2VXllCszy0F8oQzuZk0HX2C9ZnD0abCONICIfSKSXqBM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11/17/2005 USA TODAY http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2005-11-17-amusement-park- trends_x.htm By Jayne Clark Atlanta, GA -- At the IAAPA's annual fun fest in Atlanta this week,=20 players are sampling the latest fare designed to make heads spin. Among new thrills: the Screamin' Swing, which uses compressed air to=20 propel riders from the gentle motion of a playground swing to a 60- mph adrenaline-surged launch. "It's like sitting in the front seat of=20 a roller coaster =97 continually," says Kathy Archer, spokeswoman for=20 manufacturer S&S Worldwide. And in the why-didn't-anyone-think-of-this-before? department: Screen=20 Yo Body, a spray-on sunscreen administered in a booth (sales pitch:=20 We Cover Your Back); and salsa in 3.4-ounce single-serving pouches. ------------ =A9 Copyright 2005 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 08:24:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96870 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 16:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 16:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 16:24:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:22:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:22:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:22:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood Lays Off Workers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wuPElsLB7TFbXLdha9PCjRDURk2FwsUEY9j4eEHR3qSgXec X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 18, 2005 Associated Press KDKA-CBS http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_322084325.html West Mifflin, PA -- West Mifflin Kennywood Entertainment has laid off=20 12 employees at 2 of the 4 amusement parks it owns - Kennywood Park=20 in West Mifflin and Idlewild Park near Ligonier. 8 Kennywood employees and 4 Idlewild workers have lost their jobs;=20 some are managers or those who have worked for years at the parks. Kennywood officials say their revenues went up - but so, too, did=20 their expenses due to rising gasoline, property insurance, health=20 insurance and taxes. The company's property insurance his rising 25% due to the hit=20 insurance companies have taken from hurricane damage claims this year. Kennywood also owns Sandcastle water park in West Homestead and Lake=20 Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. ----------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 MMV, CBS Broadcasting From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 08:28:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50444 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 16:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 16:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 16:28:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:28:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:28:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement gets more technical X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GB0D17cOTdCvdjoHpGcFOGzXoXXYUf8QJOc3L5Nv4pQcRnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 18, 2005 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl- show18_105nov18,0,6075214.story?track=3Drss by Beth Kassab ATLANTA, GA -- This is where fun is work. At the world's largest collection of amusement industry vendors,=20 carousel riders are dressed in business suits, executives wax on=20 about the merits of painted versus fur-covered character heads and=20 ice cream companies aren't afraid to dip into the competition. More than 28,000 people are gathered here this week for the annual=20 conference and trade show of the International Association of=20 Amusement Parks and Attractions. For many, it's a critical week of networking and sales that bring in=20 big money on 1 million sq-ft of show space at the Georgia World=20 Congress Center. "This is a $250,000 show for us - it could reach up=20 to $1 million," said Francisco Guerra, president of Snow Masters, an=20 Alabama-based company that sells machines that spit out fluffy, white=20 flakes that evaporate and leave no mess in seconds. But travel just a few aisles away and novelties such as the "whoopee=20 finger pen" and other toys aren't moving so fast. "We haven't seen=20 many of our customers yet," said Dale Halm of Hayes Specialties Corp.=20 in Michigan. Halm said he had better luck when the show was held in Orlando last=20 year - and the 3 years prior to that - at the Orange County=20 Convention Center. "We'd rather see the show back in Orlando," said=20 Halm, who reported that last year he sold thousands of drinking=20 glasses that light up from the bottom. The show is scheduled to return to Orlando in 2007. For some, money depends on making sure new ideas catch on. That's the=20 case at the Precision Dynamics booth where officials of the=20 California company are trying to convince theme park operators that=20 wristbands equipped with radio frequency identification chips are the=20 next big thing. The chips allow customers to download money from a credit card onto=20 the wristband, which can then be used like a debit card to make=20 cashless purchases. But the chips have a Big Brother quality as well. The wristbands can=20 track the movements of individual guests and, in a new feature=20 debuted this year, can download information from a drivers license. The new feature, which costs $4,000-$6,000, is being marketed as a=20 way to help clubs and bars keep out underage drinkers. Once a license=20 is swiped, a wristband is printed with the customer's name and=20 whether the patron is old enough to drink. Robin Barber, Precision Dynamics VP, said the technology is the "wave=20 of the future" and some bands are already being used at several U.S.=20 parks. Steve Baker of Orlando-based Baker Leisure Group said his firm is=20 considering the use of a version of a radio frequency wristband in=20 the Ron Jon Surf Park at Festival Bay planned for International=20 Drive. "Water parks are desperate for it," Baker said, noting the=20 challenge of carrying cash or credit cards in a wet environment. Some companies at the show, including industry giants such as Disney,=20 shared advice and tips with smaller attractions. Others, though,=20 didn't mind taking a jab at the competition. Take Dippin' Dots and Mini Melts. Both are makers of tiny ice cream=20 beads that are sold as a cool alternative to the creamy, fast-melting=20 stuff. Mini Melts was handing out fliers with its samples that touted its=20 brand as the winner in a patent dispute with Dippin' Dots. Both booths had equally long lines at their sample tables. ----------- =A9 2005, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 08:37:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10310 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 16:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 16:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 16:37:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 16:36:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:36:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Santa Holiday Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Riv6x76TJUnRwU9rQ_5gKJcqJn8mTH7jQA_0KD-czXMaEPU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 17, 2005 About.com http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/219870.htm by Judy Hedding Phoenix, AZ -- The newest theme park in Arizona made its debut last=20 night. Even though it won't be here all year long, I predict it will=20 make quite an impact in the Valley, and that we'll see it as an=20 annual event. Located on the site of Firebird International Raceway right off I-10=20 in Chandler, this square mile of entertainment, displays, lights,=20 rides, games, and holiday decor will put everyone in the mood for a=20 happy holiday. There are sure to be a few adjustments. After all, this was the first=20 night of a first time huge event. Still, I was mostly impressed with=20 what I saw. The displays are adorable, Santa is busy, the rides=20 accommodate young and old(er), there are just enough food booths=20 without there being too many. Thank you for limiting the number of souvenir kiosks, and for not=20 turning this into a booth show, for there are really very few. Thank=20 you for controlling large, tacky signage at the food vendors. The=20 focus is on holidays and rides, just where it should be. The only comments for consideration I might make is that there should=20 be signage as well as pedestrian paths designated from parking areas.=20 It isn't all that clear where people should be walking. Also, leaving=20 wasn't all that easy. A few more exit arrows (and some education for=20 the parking lot staff) would be helpful. I guess they figured no one=20 would want to leave! One more thing - that line for photos with Santa is going to be=20 difficult on crowded days, and control of that line, with red velvet=20 ropes or something similar, might be in order so other people can=20 walk around those folks with their strollers. Tips:=20 1. It's a long walk. It's a straight line - one long walk in, and=20 back. Bring a stroller for the little ones or rent one at the=20 entrance. There are many places where there are cords crossing the=20 walkways, so be careful. 2. Bring your camera, and extra batteries. 3. It gets cool in the evening - bring a jacket. I didn't see any=20 sweatshirts or other clothing available for purchase (not even logo=20 tee shirts!). 4. Check the brochure you get at admission for coupons. My prediction for Santa's - A Christmas Park: success! --------- =A92005 About, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 10:57:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47615 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 18:57:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:56:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kids get a chance to rate new theme park rides, food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SWoTvlov_DWje58vkMdhWPWACM8Ykxsl0LzYmhAvCfMwLGE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 20, 2005 Associated Press Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-kid20.html BY CHARLES ODUM=20 ATLANTA, GA -- More than 1,100 exhibitors representing the $29=20 billion-a-year amusement industry snapped to attention Friday when a=20 group of clipboard-toting 5th-graders marched in. The 8 Atlanta-area students took their jobs seriously as they=20 evaluated the latest theme park rides, games and food, all on display=20 at the massive International Association of Amusement Parks and=20 Attractions Expo. Wearing brightly colored "Kid Testers" T-shirts, they scribbled notes=20 and circled grades. It was the first time the association had reached=20 out to children, and the companies were braced for candid=20 reviews. "Who's more honest than a kid?" said Beth Robertson, the=20 group's VP of communications. "It's a great opportunity to see who's=20 going to be riding these things." 'Totally cool' The most glowing reviews followed rides on S&S Powers' 65'=20 tall "Screamin' Swing," set up outside the Georgia World Congress=20 Center exhibit hall, where the expo for industry representatives ran=20 Monday-Saturday. Only about half of the kid testers were brave enough=20 to try out the big swing, but Josh Trainer returned for a 2nd=20 ride. "I thought it was awesome, better than all the others inside,"=20 said Trainer, a home-schooled student from Dacula. "I liked how high=20 it goes." Some young testers also passed on the "Disk'O," which whips riders=20 around a big spinning circle. But Nigel Manley of West Clayton=20 Elementary rated it "totally cool." ----------- Copyright 2005, Digital Chicago Inc. Copyright 2005 Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 11:01:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49521 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 19:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 19:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 19:01:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:01:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:01:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:01:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Gdb to Handle Valleyfair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lj1GL6lm3VD_VLeKpDq4raf-1-AKTG73JcYNUQckn3QN70g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 18, 2005 ADWEEK http://www.adweek.com/aw/regional/midwest/article_display.jsp? vnu_content_id=3D1001524702 By Aaron Baar Shakopee, MN -- Valleyfair amusement park has tapped independent shop=20 Gabriel deGrood Bendt as its lead advertising agency following a=20 review, the shop announced. The Minneapolis agency's first task will be to develop a brand=20 campaign for the Shakopee, Minn., client's 2006 season. The campaign,=20 which will break in early spring 2006, is expected to include=20 television, radio, outdoor and print work. "Valleyfair is looking for new and different ways to appeal to their=20 target audience," said agency founder and CEO Tom Gabriel in a=20 statement. "It's a terrific local brand that's evolving with the=20 times to become even more relevant." Though contenders in the review were not disclosed, they were all=20 believed to be from the Minneapolis area. Billings were not disclosed. Valleyfair spent just over $1 million on=20 advertising last year, according to Nielsen Monitor-Plus. ------------ =A9 2005 VNU eMedia Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 11:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73895 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 19:14:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:14:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:14:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:14:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_=91Experienced=92_group_seeks_Ghost_Town?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=d1LXiIXJng-1l1ID85PMk8USijsbcAF8Bb1FHdvzDezIJn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 21, 2005 The Mountaineer http://www.themountaineer.com/archives/2005/11/18/topstories_experienc edgroupseek.html by DARREN MILLER MAGGIE VALLEY, NC -=97 A group of potential buyers for Ghost Town=20 includes an amusement park owner and a scenic railroad owner,=20 announced a lobbyist for the buyers on Tuesday. During a presentation to the town board, and to the several dozen=20 people in attendance at its regularly scheduled meeting, David=20 Huskins, a regional tourism leader, said a group he represents hopes=20 to purchase Ghost Town in the Sky. The now defunct attraction often blamed for the town's economic woes=20 is owned by R.B. Coburn. The group would like to close the deal by=20 the end of the month and possibly open the theme park by May 2006. The group of potential buyers consists of 3 men who have formed Ghost=20 Town Partners, LLC, under a parent company called American Heritage=20 Entertainment. "It's a very serious group with a very serious=20 mission," Huskins said. That group, he said, includes Al Harper, owner of the Great Smoky=20 Mountains Railroad who unsuccessfully attempted to purchase GT after=20 it first closed and was put on the market, and Hank Woodburn, owner=20 of 9 amusement parks in 4 states. That mission, he continued, is to=20 restore and expand GT and its brand. Peter Hairston, a venture=20 capitalist, is the 3rd player in the group, which is currently in=20 negotiations to purchase the park and surrounding acreage. "We don't=20 know if this is going to happen or not," Huskins cautioned at the=20 beginning of the presentation. Opening May `06? But if a deal is reached, he said, the group, which "possesses=20 substantial amusement, railroad, real estate, and investment=20 experience," would immediately focus on renovation of the park for a=20 Memorial Day weekend opening. That immediate renovation project, including improved transport to=20 the mountaintop attraction, would entail a $4 million investment,=20 Huskins said, adding that a completely new chairlift would be=20 installed, the incline railway would be restored, and other means of=20 transportation added. "They're not going to open it unless they can=20 make the improvements," Huskins said. As the renovations occur,=20 an "integrated marketing & sales program," including a "gigantic=20 Internet presence," will begin to set the stage for the grand opening=20 of the "new" GT, he explained. The park will be "cross-marketed" with the other attractions owned by=20 the group's principals. Harper also owns a railroad attraction in=20 Colorado. Woodburn owns amusement parks, called Adventure Landing, in=20 3 cities in North Carolina, 3 in New York, 2 in Florida, and 1 in=20 Texas. Employment for 285 Over time, Huskins said, the group expects to invest more than $12=20 million into GT renovations and expansions. Huskins said the group expects to create 285 full- & part-time jobs=20 by opening GT, including a GM's position and 11 departmental=20 managers. Those managerial positions would likely be filled by people=20 with extensive experience and expertise in amusement park operations =97 probably transferred from attractions owned by Harper and Woodburn.=20 But Huskins emphasized that the team will include current and past GT=20 managers. He said they project at least 150,000 paying visitors in 2006 and=20 270,000 by 2010. "Those are modest projections," Huskins said, adding=20 that in its last year of operation, even without a functional=20 chairlift that forced visitors to be bused to the top of the=20 mountain, the park attracted about 118,000 people. Longer hours, season In his presentation, Huskins opined that favorable demographics and=20 trends =97 annual revenues for amusement parks and the attractions=20 industry exceed $10 billion =97 point to success, especially for=20 smaller regional parks. GT, he said, would not compete but instead=20 compliment other existing regional attractions. Huskins said their initial thinking includes longer hours of daily=20 operations, which might require the addition of lights, and an extend=20 season, perhaps from early spring through Thanksgiving and possibly=20 Christmas. The park would maintain much of its theme and feature a=20 variety of heritage tourism, while also offering dining and=20 entertainment opportunities. By creating some indoor entertainment,=20 it will allow the park to operate in the tourism's shoulder seasons,=20 Huskins said. Will it happen? "There are no secrets here," he said, seemingly addressing the reason=20 for the somewhat detailed presentation of the group's plan =97 a=20 starkly different approach to more guarded purchase efforts in recent=20 history. "We think this plan is viable," Huskins said "We feel we're the best=20 fit for GT and the valley." The focus of GTP is the park, he said, adding that development of=20 surrounding acreage is a long-term idea that is not currently a=20 priority. "We are working with (Coburn)," Huskins told the crowd. "We=20 have a comfortable working relationship, but he is a tough=20 negotiator. We are making progress." Alderman Phil Aldridge, however, wanted to know just exactly what=20 that meant, indicating a concern that hopes of the community would be=20 dashed again by another promised but failed deal. "This is doable,"=20 Huskins responded, adding that there is not yet any buyer-seller=20 agreement. "We are working on it.=20 "We are a motivated buyer, and we hope he is a motivated seller," he=20 said. "With R.B. (Coburn), it's show me the money." Huskins and company will have to show at least $7 million if they=20 hope to finalize a deal by the end of the month, he said. ------------ Copywrite 2005 The Mountaineer Publishing Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 11:25:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82142 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 19:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 19:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 19:25:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:25:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:25:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Plan to develop land round Miami Metrozoo into entertainment venue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eBUbVqdZraqq5RGKXvQuyB2dm7DJ6j212d0iJF5lQZ31538 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov. 20, 2005 he Miami Herald http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/13218689.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_local BY JENNIFER MOONEY PIEDRA Miami, FL -- Undeveloped land near Miami Metrozoo would become an=20 Orlando-style entertainment mecca under plans that Miami-Dade Parks=20 and Recreation officials have submitted to the county's planning and=20 zoning department. A county-owned parking lot at the zoo site would be redeveloped into=20 a $75 million destination featuring a water park, vacation hotel,=20 Main Street with shops and restaurants and a new transportation=20 museum. "This could be our Universal Studios," said Miami-Dade=20 Commission Vice Chairman Dennis Moss, whose district includes MMZ. The attractions - which Moss said could be in place as early as 2010 - would be paid for by developers, who would lease the land from the=20 county and help offset zoo operating costs, parks officials said. The proposal, dubbed the "Metrozoo Entertainment Area," coincides=20 with a $360 million makeover at the zoo, which plans to add more=20 themed exhibits over the next 20 years. No date has been set for the application to go before the Miami-Dade=20 Commission for final approval, though parks officials hope public=20 hearings are held by next spring. If approved, the 121-acre entertainment venue would forever change=20 the landscape of South Dade. Zoo and parks officials say it would=20 provide long-term benefits to the local economy and job=20 market. "There were years and years of discussions of how to make=20 this happen," said MMZ Director Eric Stephens. "We are very much in=20 favor of it." Planners optimistically estimate that the new attractions could=20 increase annual zoo attendance from the current 500,000 to about 2.5=20 million. They would bring in at least $890,000 in revenue to the=20 county, Asher said. Visitors to the new development would be able to dine at an upscale=20 restaurant, window-shop along Main Street and perhaps even hang=20 upside down on a roller coaster. The zoo expansion plans include an $8.5 million family entertainment=20 center with a miniature golf course, go-kart racing, arcade and=20 skating rink. Within walking distance would be a $22 million water=20 park featuring a wave pool, lazy river and slides. For history buffs, the $18 million redesigned Gold Coast Railroad and=20 Transportation Museum would highlight the influence of trains,=20 planes, boats and blimps on South Florida. Also proposed: a moderately-priced vacation hotel that would cost=20 about $26 million to build. THEME PARK Another aspect of the proposal is a $200 million adventure theme park=20 with roller coasters and a $60 million resort hotel on an additional=20 260 acres. Those elements are on hold, though, until MMZ acquires the=20 land from the U.S. Coast Guard. Negotiations are under way, parks=20 officials said. Asher, of the parks department, said changes are needed to make the=20 24-y.o. zoo more appealing to visitors. "The idea was not only to=20 make the zoo a bigger and better place but to provide other essential=20 attractions people want to go to," he said. The market would be locals as well as tourists, he said - and tourism=20 officials say the revamped zoo would be a welcome addition. "Miami is=20 emerging as a family travel destination," said William Talbert,=20 president of the Greater Miami Convention & Visitors Bureau. "The=20 more attractions, the better." Maybe not better in every way, say some South Dade residents, who=20 worry they would be the ones to suffer growing pains from a MMZ=20 expansion. BAD TRAFFIC "The traffic issues are going to be a nightmare," said Ory Dawes,=20 president of the Country Walk Master Homeowners Association -=20 particularly on already congested thoroughfares such as Southwest=20 152nd Street and the Florida Turnpike. Still, Dawes, a Country Walk resident for 14 years, isn't opposed to=20 the project. She said it would be a great place for children and=20 adults. County officials, who have hosted several community meetings with=20 South Dade residents to discuss the zoo plans, say they are studying=20 how to improve roadways to address the traffic concerns. One possibility, Commissioner Moss said, would be to create an exit=20 off the Turnpike to funnel vehicles directly in and out of the zoo=20 site. Whatever the resolution, Moss said, "We're not going to go into this=20 situation where we create a burden on the community." Officials hope the new attractions would lure additional visitors to=20 MMZ, which is getting a major makeover, including the $13.5 million=20 Wings of Asia aviary and the $35 million Tropical America exhibit=20 featuring animals of the rainforest. The zoo redesign is being funded=20 by the general obligation bond program approved by Miami-Dade voters=20 in 2004, by the Safe Neighborhood Parks bond and by private donations. Plans to develop the land near the zoo have been in the works for=20 many years. After Hurricane Andrew flattened South Dade in 1992, Moss searched=20 for ways to revitalize the struggling area. He decided a theme park=20 would be the perfect way to boost the local economy while also=20 providing jobs. At one point, Homestead Air Reserve Base was considered the prime=20 spot for the attraction, but that idea didn't pan out, Moss said. In=20 2000, the county hired The Portico Group, a Seattle-based zoo=20 planning and design firm, to draw up a plan to redesign the zoo. A study done at the same time determined that an entertainment area=20 near the zoo would be a good idea. COMING TO LIFE Moss is proud to see the project finally coming to life. "You can go=20 to South Beach and hang out and party all night and you can go to=20 Aventura and shop, but you can't find a place in Miami-Dade County=20 where you can find an amusement park," he said. "This will be a=20 magnet that will draw visitors from the county and all over." ----------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 11:34:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63696 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 19:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2005 19:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 19:34:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:32:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2005 19:32:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:32:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: National Turkey to Serve as Grand Marshal of Disneyland's Parade X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KiSUsRDZPqcoXVKg57w_R9ZqcaPo9ljdcp4Y2sBtcGWE8kw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 21, 2005 Press Release: Disneyland PRNewswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051121/nym179.html?.v=3D25 WASHINGTON, DC -- What is the "Happiest Turkey on Earth" going to do=20 next? He's going to Disneyland! Following the traditional=20 Presidential pardon of the National Thanksgiving Turkey in a White=20 House Rose Garden ceremony, the 2005 National Thanksgiving Turkey=20 will board United Airlines Flight 197 and fly 2,288 miles first-class=20 from Washington D.C. to Los Angeles with a final stop at "The=20 Happiest Place on Earth," Disneyland. On Thanksgiving Day the 35-pound Tom Turkey will be honored as the=20 grand marshal of Disneyland's Thanksgiving Day Parade as the park=20 celebrates its 50th year. After the parade, the turkey will become a=20 resident of Santa's Reindeer Ranch located within the park's=20 Frontierland where he will live out the rest of his days. U.S. President Harry S Truman was the first Commander-in-Chief to be=20 presented with a Thanksgiving turkey (in 1947) by the National Turkey=20 Federation. This year's presentation marks the 58th anniversary of a=20 tradition that has continued through 10 successive presidential=20 administrations. The National Turkey Federation is the advocate for all segments of=20 the U.S. turkey industry, providing services and conducting=20 activities, which increase demand for its members products and=20 protect and enhance the ability to effectively and profitably provide=20 wholesome, high quality, nutritious turkey products. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From dougjnelson@comcast.net Mon Nov 21 18:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61582 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 02:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 02:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 02:23:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:22:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:22:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.218.221.184 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: neat special involving the first ferris wheel on PBS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=RIOZDY66xzqoAdi0KmswvTuTbzQl53lTAN0P_5IHcwdRHoDhatuoCNMlsw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 dont know how many of you are in new england, but i watched this=20 special this evening, which focused on the creation of the first=20 ferris wheel; WORLD'S GREATEST FAIR-The 1904 World's Fair in St. Louis, Missouri,=20 was a huge American achievement. Over 1200 acres and the latest=20 technology, it included the biggest Ferris Wheel ever, holding 2000=20 people.=20 http://www.nhptv.org/programs/summary.asp? progId=3D123507&chnl=3D&progTimeAir=3D11/21/2005%208:59:05%20PM was highly entertaining! hope some of you saw it, or get to see it.=20 From dougjnelson@comcast.net Mon Nov 21 18:32:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95448 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 02:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 02:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 02:32:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 02:32:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:32:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.218.221.184 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=Zd0GQjp72Lxe9k9ALNXLsr9lINLXoB6RYhH681wneebp-Q94gtGOXbb9jw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 i was wondering if MM was EVER going to get a flyer. now, does this=20 mean that the Vekoma flyer is a thing of the past now? From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Nov 21 20:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1439 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 04:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 04:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 04:28:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C260F9A86 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:26:36 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36DD22F2-E3F2-4D48-841F-62A3F2ABBCC5@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:26:36 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=uMOkl3UmNIiRK9PW0rz1fuciTlLt68u_HMbsZJhdrn6xNroN X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > i was wondering if MM was EVER going to get a flyer. now, does this > mean that the Vekoma flyer is a thing of the past now? Personally I doubt it .. Vekoma still builds inverted coasters even though B&M offer a far superior product (and came first!). Cameron. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 22 06:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3669 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 14:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:03:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:02:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:02:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: OT- web hosting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=WnHMXHPhSf9bJy6j8kUbBI24pzvIWGykZ6GRgpx9ebxSvR8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash It's off topic, though in a round a bout way it may eventually end up applying to the list. :) After seeing some ads, I'm tossing around the idea of putting up a website archiving my TR's, some photos, and other things like that.=20 I've noticed soem companies are advertising hosting for around $5 a month, which would actually be something I can afford. But for those that already have sites, I'm curious who you use for hosting, who you recommend, and who you would advise to stay away from. Site building tools are also a plus, especially for a novice that doesn't really know html, and doesn't want to use Frontpage, but who also wants a file manager to work with individual files (somethign that Earthlink doesn't like for some wierd reason) Thanks for help and advice. keep on ridin' George (who is thinking about SirWillow.com hehe) From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 22 06:30:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79045 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 14:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:30:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:27:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:27:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36DD22F2-E3F2-4D48-841F-62A3F2ABBCC5@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=f81RMnlvszJLrVgECH8BKcvkkBM_KXncOJZP1cCe_IABsvI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > > i was wondering if MM was EVER going to get a flyer. now, does this > > mean that the Vekoma flyer is a thing of the past now? >=20 > Personally I doubt it .. Vekoma still builds inverted coasters even=20=20 > though B&M offer a far superior product (and came first!). Cam, are we talking about flyers or inverted coasters? They are a bit different y'know. :P Vekoma did have the first flyer, and while they seemed to have more technical problems that B&M's, I liked the 2 Vekoma versions I got to ride better than the B&M versions. I found the layouts much more interesting, and they were more comfortable to ride- especially if you got stuck the station or brake run. I also liked that you can move your head and look around on the Vekoma version while the B&M version seems to shove your head forward in such a way that you can't look ahead to see where you're going- at least not in any fashion that's remotely comfortable. So I guess that as much as I think Tatsu looks like it's going to be a great ride, and possibly the best flyer to date, I really hope that Vekoma isn't done building flyers. I'd love to see them make a few improvements to their mechanics to offset the problems they had and build a couple more. keep on ridin' George From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Nov 22 06:36:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45248 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 14:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:36:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:35:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:35:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:35:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.21.232 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: OT- web hosting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=WfCI0GWPwlK0jnunFR60cYGJoi1367Br2gXO67NAMipgv5KPaX_owA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" = wrote: > But for those > that already have sites, I'm curious who you use for hosting, who you > recommend, and who you would advise to stay away from. I use LiquidWeb.com for most of my sites. They're a little more than $5 (t= heir lowest price=20 is $15) but I've found them to be worth it. Their customer service is fast= and solid, the=20 uptime is very good, and the tools are nice. They use cpanel as the backen= d and have=20 Fantastico auto-installer, that installs a whole bunch of different open-so= urce content=20 management systems automatically. It also has a ton of e-mail accounts, go= od storage=20 and bandwidth quotas, webmail, really good stats reporting, etc. That's wh= at I use for my=20 home site, my academic site, my wife's business site and one or two other s= ites. I use GoDaddy.com for the site for the radio show I do with my daughter (ht= tp:// sparetherock.com). It's something like $5/month, which is a heck of a pric= e. It comes=20 with a lot fewer features (more limited e-mail accounts, pretty lame stats = reporting, etc.)=20 than LiquidWeb but I think does have some sort of site building backend. T= he uptime has=20 been very good and they just upped the storage and bandwidth quotas. I hav= en't had to=20 try to use their customer service yet. Bill From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 22 06:41:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7651 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 14:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:41:34 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jAMEfNB4023094 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:41:23 -0600 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:41:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:41:22 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 14:41:23.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF3BCC40:01C5EF72] X-Spam-Score: -5.299 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_14 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=vyvPujjFIeWTRlfIOl5-vTAYae7tQQ0lP7MF9QYH6KA9iUHw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: >> >> >>> i was wondering if MM was EVER going to get a flyer. now, does this >>> mean that the Vekoma flyer is a thing of the past now? >> >> Personally I doubt it .. Vekoma still builds inverted coasters even >> though B&M offer a far superior product (and came first!). > > Cam, are we talking about flyers or inverted coasters? They are a bit > different y'know. :P I know .. but the original poster asked if we thought that Vekoma would build any more flying coasters now that B&M are building them. I said that Vekoma still builds inverted coasters even though B&M already build those .. so I imagine they'll keep building Flyers. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 06:55:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27483 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 14:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:55:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:51:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 14:51:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:51:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.33.103.99 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: PR: Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=7aasmBsv4GSDeGD4OTinYzbPzy5Hfl0I-MjWMj4ywgX0yjA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Most people will build anything in their catalogue, barring liability or spare parts issues. The struggle is always to get someone to buy it. Adam From lance@screamscape.com Tue Nov 22 07:11:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26653 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 15:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 15:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 15:11:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 15:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 15:10:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:10:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.145.63.124 From: "screamscapelance" Subject: Re: OT- web hosting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eHNVmOffW7NRsT5Z9sky-kXgwRVMX6U371RBevOQxku8uMtLBu_vs3Bwng X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "childswilliam"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > > > But for those > > that already have sites, I'm curious who you use for hosting,=20 who you > > recommend, and who you would advise to stay away from. >=20 >=20 > I use LiquidWeb.com for most of my sites. They're a little more=20 than $5 (their lowest price=20 > is $15) but I've found them to be worth it.=20=20 LiquidWeb was who I used for Screamscape until 3 years ago when I=20 found Globat.com. I don't know what LiquidWeb is offering right now, but last time I=20 looked around Globat had them beat hands down for prices, benefits=20 and the right bandwidth for my money, which was what I just wasn't=20 able to get enough of from LiquidWeb and why I left.=20 Currently the lowest prices item at Globat is the Terabyte T01=20 package that is just $6.95 a month (when you prepay in advance) for=20 10 Gigs of space and 3.6 Terabytes of the all important Bandwidth a=20 monthh.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 09:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51968 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 17:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 17:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 17:23:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 17:22:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:22:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Drivers distracted by holiday theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qD9uWa-7q54_kmhltPcLrnKG1PaGiVTqsz_THvDk4-cEMzc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 22, 2005 The Arizona Republic KVOA-4 Tucson http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4151594&nav=3DHMO6 PHOENIX, AZ -- Santa's Christmas Theme Park is causing real=20 headaches for drivers and the Arizona Department of Public Saftey=20 along I-10. Drivers are slowing down to take a look at about 2 million multi- colored lights spread over a mile near Firebird International=20 Raceway. The theme park includes a 74'-tall tree and almost 50=20 amusement rides. At times, traffic is gridlocked. D.P.S. is reminding drivers that slowing down and impeding traffic on=20 the freeway is against the law. The highway patrol is also warning motorists to expect delays in both=20 directions while driving through the area. A spokeswoman for the park says they've installed signs warning=20 motorists that there's an event ahead and they need to slow down. ------------ Copyright 2005 Associated Press All content =A9 Copyright 2003 - 2005 WorldNow and KVOA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 09:30:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80486 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 17:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 17:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 17:30:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 17:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 17:29:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:29:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wild West World receives first ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YH39omd48k9azirwHckcklO7Xyo8Twm8XgbkZlX9yuyevRo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nove,ber 21, 2005 Wichita Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2005/11/21/daily2.html? from_rss=3D1 by Lainie Mazzullo Park City, KS -- Wild West World, the $26 million western-themed=20 amusement park under development in Park City, has received its first=20 ride - a 50' water log flume from Florida-based manufacturer OD=20 Hopkins. The ride is the first of about 25 for the amusement park, being=20 developed by Thomas & Cheryl Etheredge, who also own Prairie Rose=20 Chuckwagon Supper in Butler County. The arrival of the ride comes after the Etheredges finalized a $7=20 million purchase of the park's ride package at the International=20 Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions convention in Atlanta.=20 Among the other rides are 2 roller coasters. Wichita's Chance Morgan sold some of the rides to Wild West World.=20 Others were bought by Zamperla SPA and Moser Rides, both in Italy;=20 Larson International in Texas; and Rides 4 U in New Jersey. The Etheredges are also considering buying more rides from IE Park in=20 Italy. The installation of all rides is scheduled for summer 2006. Wild West World is being built 4 miles north of Wichita, along I-135.=20 It's planned to be fully operational by May 2007. ------------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 10:10:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62416 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 18:10:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 18:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 18:06:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:06:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Virtual theme park `like Vegas in space' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=slRgVooZmIZj6fztVTPvsABkbwdmPFfZAsH8fMqEFrmrzYY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov. 21, 2005 Mercury News By Dean Takahashi, Jessie Seyfer and Matt Marshall Cyberspace -- Some bloggers made fun of Miami filmmaker John Jacobs=20 when they learned that he plunked down $100,000 in real cash for a=20 virtual space station in the online game Project Entropia. But Jacobs=20 says he already believes that his virtual property, which he wants to=20 turn into a virtual dinosaur theme park a la Jurassic Park, is=20 already worth $1 million. All of the publicity he got from the purchase is helping to create=20 brand awareness for his park, which will include a 5-story nightclub=20 known as "Club NEVERDIE," which takes the name of his online=20 character, or avatar. "I have the most famous virtual nightclub in=20 the world," he said. "It's like Las Vegas in space." Jacobs said he has been playing online games since 1980. He has built=20 and acquired property for real cash in Project Entropia since the=20 game started 3 years ago. In the game, you can trade objects that you=20 create with real money. Jacobs' space resort is on an asteroid in the=20 game and it includes a shopping mall with more than 100 shops and an=20 equal number of stalls where gamers can set up shop. ------------ Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 11:28:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69723 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 19:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 19:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 19:28:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:27:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:27:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kurdish separatists accused over theme park bomb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jbTkr_Yh_QiyB1egmzCxb0mXjyP1ELHTLn11pL1vRgkfVfU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20-Nov-05 The Scottsman http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=3D2269962005 Istanbul, Turkey -- THE governor of Istanbul has accused separatist=20 Kurdish group PKK of being behind a bomb explosion near a theme park on=20 Friday night that killed one man and wounded 11 others.=20 Groups linked to the PKK have been behind several recent bombings in=20 western Turkey - outside their traditional sphere in the south-east of=20 the country. -------- =A92005 Scotsman.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 11:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48403 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 19:43:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:43:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:43:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park death case goes to crown court X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XkvdWECGJd1cSPPn9FR-zNY0g9CGSgHx-9O4J6Wnwa5b5tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 19 November 2005 Yorkshire Post http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx? SectionID=3D55&ArticleID=3D1261038 by Julie Hemmings Yorkshire, UK -- A Yorkshire theme park and one of its maintenance=20 electricians will face a hearing in the crown court following the=20 death of a 20-y.o. university student more than 4 years ago. Lightwater Valley Attractions Ltd and Eric Butters appeared before=20 Harrogate Magistrates' Court yesterday to answer charges brought by=20 the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) following the death of Gemma=20 Savage. Savage, from Wath-on-Dearne, near Rotherham, died from head and=20 spinal injuries in June 2001, the day after a crash on the park's=20 treetop twister ride, just 3 weeks after it opened. Butters, of Fairways Avenue, Harrogate =96 who was duty electrician at=20 the park at North Stainley, near Ripon, at the time =96 and his=20 employers each declined to enter pleas to the charges. Court chairman Lindsay Councell ruled the case should be tried at=20 York Crown Court and an initial hearing will take place there on=20 December 23. Lightwater Valley Attractions is accused of failing to discharge a=20 duty under the 1974 Health and Safety at Work Act to ensure, so far=20 as reasonably practicable, that persons not in its employment,=20 including Savage and Joe Shimmin, who was on the ride with her, were=20 not exposed to risk to their health and safety. Butters is charged with failing to take reasonable care to ensure the=20 safety of persons who might be affected by his acts or omissions at=20 work, including Savage and Shimmin. A third defendant, French company Societe Reverchon Industries, which=20 built the ride, was not in court to answer a charge of failing to=20 take reasonable care to ensure the equipment was designed and=20 constructed to be safe at all times. The court heard that a courier had been sent to serve the summons on=20 the company, but it was found to be in liquidation and the documents=20 had been returned unserved. Mrs Councell granted the HSE time to make=20 further inquiries and adjourned the case against the company until=20 February 17. -------------- =A9 2005 Johnston Press New Media From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 11:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2438 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 19:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 19:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 19:51:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:51:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 19:51:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:51:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland and South Coast Plaza pin hopes on tourists X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uaSHbXlAn0Hanynom3xPfPpHpb6ZS9mGvAqZqx3IHZqJu1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 18, 2005 The Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/money/homepage/article_777068.php By MICHELE HIMMELBERG Costa Mesa, CA -- The Disneyland Resort's experiment selling tickets=20 at South Coast Plaza has gone so well that a $100 purchase now comes=20 with a free collector's pin set. The pins, featuring Disneyland's King Arthur Carousel and South=20 Coast's Carousel Court, are available while supplies last. They are=20 free with a minimum purchase of $100 of single-day or multi-day=20 admission tickets to the theme parks. Disney opened its first ticket outlet in a shopping center this=20 summer, patterned after a pilot that began 2 years ago at the Hilton=20 Anaheim. Disney now also sells theme park tickets at several hotels=20 in the Anaheim area. Disney's partnership with South Coast Plaza - the "Ultimate Shopping=20 Resort" - has been going "very, very well," said Bob Deuell, a Disney=20 spokesman. The custom-designed ticket desk, distinguished by a giant set of=20 golden Mickey Mouse ears, is near Carousel Court in South Coast=20 Plaza. It is staffed by Disney personnel and will be open through=20 September. Consumer response indicates that people like the added convenience of=20 buying their Disney passes ahead of time, avoiding ticket booth lines=20 at the theme parks. Prices at the ticket desk are the same as at the=20 theme parks. South Coast Plaza and Disneyland have worked together over the past=20 30 years to promote tourism in Orange County. Shopping ranks as one=20 of the favorite activities among tourists, and visitors spent $1.6=20 billion in Orange County last year. ---------- Copyright 2005 The Orange County Register From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 13:15:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46256 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 21:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.197) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 21:15:05 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s14so34208wxc for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.15.17 with SMTP id 17mr3073035wxo; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:15:04 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mack Stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=JSb-2m0G3a-rTd7wcB7uIkT5PFIZ5Q4Sz9lZA3WKZ-3mkI1cJZbsWX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I checked the Mack Rides website today, and it seems they've finally added more of their products to the site. http://www.mack-rides.com /en/ They have a bit about their new powered suspended/flying coaster, a new section for their new family coaster model (which is the same kind going into Europa Park), and a lot of additional content for their other products. Also, apparantly a lot of their coasters are now available with spinning trains, such as their powered coaster and powered suspended. I imagine that the spinning option for the standard gravity powered coaster is essentially what Euro Mir would fit under. Also, here's an example of their new e-Motion coaster model, the one that tilts around the turns: "Reaper, Drop ride to doom!" http://www.rcdb.com/ig326 7.htm This particular ride is also an excellent example of a flat-out unusual coaster. It looks like it's built within an old cathedral in Amsterdam, plus the name is very odd. I guess it would qualify as one of those rare highly themed/dark-ride style coasters we were talking about a while ago. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 15:03:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66954 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 23:03:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 23:01:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:01:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: Mack Stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=yOaZyHOpfFxzpoy97izZ9E710jIeZJS91EoZuzQD1_SIdL88XogZ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > This particular ride is also an excellent example of a flat-out=20 > unusual coaster. It looks like it's built within an old cathedral in=20 > Amsterdam, plus the name is very odd. I guess it would qualify as one=20 > of those rare highly themed/dark-ride style coasters we were talking=20 > about a while ago Oh man, that looks right up my alley. Even that "e-Motion coaster"=20 technology with the spring suspension is something I thought about a=20 while ago. Everybody keeps stealing my ideas! :-) When I finally make=20 it over to Amsterdam, I'm totally gonna check that out. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Nov 23 10:28:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3807 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD002B46A0@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NEWS: Drivers distracted by holiday theme park thread-index: AcXwWhpJW4xcbKfETQmWx3MjaEk8DwAAQGkQ To: X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: NEWS: Drivers distracted by holiday theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=3z3p9Z2BDXBig5-VhFVZjmsVylQG1A6VoND3XQ-gRZiuF4WOpw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > The Arizona Department of Public > Safety > is reminding drivers that slowing down and impeding > traffic on the freeway is against the law. > > > A spokeswoman for the park says they've installed signs > warning motorists that there's an event ahead and they need > to slow down. Rule 1: Don't slow down! Rule 2: Slow down! Jon Z "not driving anywhere this Thanksgiving" The First ________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 12:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88318 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 20:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2005 20:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.150) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 20:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 58103 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 20:13:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20051123201352.58101.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.3.97.181] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:13:52 PST Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD002B46A0@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Drivers distracted by holiday theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=SBbRD1UIhLamgymdO4LzofPUMXlppztnEFI9RdFzkJ0KPuwkfUEQFWKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Zucker wrote: > The Arizona Department of Public > Safety > is reminding drivers that slowing down and impeding > traffic on the freeway is against the law. > > > A spokeswoman for the park says they've installed signs > warning motorists that there's an event ahead and they need > to slow down. Rule 1: Don't slow down! Rule 2: Slow down! Jon Z "not driving anywhere this Thanksgiving" The First Well, this is Phoenix, so let me edit your rules. Rule 1: Please come to a complete stop on any major road/highway/interstate if anything catches your interest, even a passing tumbleweed. Rule 2: Red lights are only a suggestion Rule 3: You may use any lane (including oncoming traffic) to try to get around two to three cars to shave 3 seconds off of your drive to your destination. -Bryan "Happy to be moving back to Ohio in January-and not even because of the parks-although it's a bonus" Wood --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 23 18:37:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52855 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2005 02:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 02:37:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:35:05 -0800 Message-Id: <200511231835.AA110559422@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: MISC: Mack stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=50z5QhBuFcBmK5PYwAwUQ09XvkjBWYYAul2L4yu1m9EfdS7sWK53 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >This particular ride is also an excellent example of a flat-out unusual coaster. It looks like it's built within an old cathedral < Seeing those pictures was a very odd experience for me. When I was a kid sitting in church with my parents in an old french cathedral, I would daydream about turning the place into a roller coaster/dark ride, and imagine the track widing its way down from the tall ceilings. I guess someone else had the same idea. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 24 12:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82364 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 20:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2005 20:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 20:06:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:04:53 -0800 Message-Id: <200511241204.AA80085196@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Happy turkey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Rz3JCuIjNtCXLozSwYdQllk_bXCqbGH9Q_Z-KxToaZkh3nQ_HuIx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Karen and I are having our first holiday in our new home. I haven't been too engaged with the list lately because we recently finished moving in. It's been a whirlwind over the past two months. Later on today, our son (who's been in Iraq with the Army) is supposed to join us here on leave. One nice thing about our new place (and there are a lot of nice things) is that we have double the amount of land we used to. So there will definitely be another rollercoaster and ferris wheel in our backyard in the future! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Thu Nov 24 13:20:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86104 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 21:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2005 21:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 21:20:19 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.248.20c2e6e (16633) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:19:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <248.20c2e6e.30b78870@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:19:44 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Happy turkey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=kXtbUFqXvn2GklPc9hUnz4_D5RNvjXzCa1b53brxUVlLLKbJXQCh X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Turkey Genocide day! -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Nov 24 20:48:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52868 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 04:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 04:48:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/Top%20Spyware%20Threats%20Including%20FunWebProducts.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, karl42in_satx From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 06:48:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27940 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 14:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 14:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 14:48:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 14:45:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 14:45:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:45:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Confirms Lawsuit by Red Zone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=e4Q6ZBVuXLh-f5nFoaeLjsmJG_KrLRf8-3-liwjz5rc04hw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 23, 2005 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051123/six_flags_red_zone_lawsuit.html?.v=3D2 NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags Inc. confirmed Wednesday that a group led=20 by Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder has sued the company in=20 connection with its bid to oust 3 board members and wrest control of=20 the amusement park operator. In a statement, 6F said it is aware the group, Red Zone LLC - along=20 with Snyder, former ESPN executive Mark Shapiro and Virginia=20 homebuilder Dwight Schar - have sued the company in Delaware Chancery=20 Court. 6F called the lawsuit "unnecessary and without basis" and said it=20 would "respond appropriately in court." On Tuesday, RZ delivered written consents representing more than 57%=20 of 6F's outstanding common stock, which would be sufficient to oust 3=20 members of the 7-member board of the Oklahoma City-based company. A=20 majority of the reconstituted board would then have to vote to=20 replace the current management team. RZ has said it wants Snyder,=20 Shapiro and Schar on the new board. RZ said Tuesday that it is suing "to avoid any possible delay in the=20 company recognizing the vote." RZ also asked the Delaware court to require the 6F board to give RZ=20 notice prior to taking any actions which would be outside the=20 ordinary course of business pending the court's confirmation of the=20 stockholder vote. 6F shares rose 7 cents to $7.53 in midday trading on the New York=20 Stock Exchange. ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 07:08:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3235 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 15:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:08:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:08:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:08:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: City prepares for Schlitterbahn opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SyMSAAfOX58YWdL2YkS4hSPa51VQWZ85ff3iwaVBg1pT_0w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 24, 2005 The Daily News http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=3Df4c8ab1f7e606aed By Sarah Viren GALVESTON, TX -=97 Don Lehna lives across the street from the towering,=20 twisting pink, blue and yellow tubes that will soon become=20 Schlitterbahn (SB) water park =97 Galveston's newest and most=20 anticipated tourist attraction. Some days, when he hears trucks rumbling toward the construction site=20 near Moody Gardens, the Michigan native thinks of his grandkids, all=20 still young enough to enjoy a water ride or two. Other times, however, he worries about himself. SB hopes to open the indoor portion of its new 26-acre park by the=20 end of December. SB will add tax dollars to city coffers, help fill the hotels and=20 bring hungry families to area restaurants. It will also bring cars. This is the part that worries people like=20 Lehna, who lives in the Havre Lafitte neighborhood off Jones RD. "I=20 know the people over there are probably happy about the jobs and the=20 money it will bring," he said pointing toward the island's East=20 End. "But me, I have mixed emotions." City officials, however, say he and others have little reason to=20 worry. "What I always tell people is that SB is looking at a max of 1=20 million people a year," said Hud Hopkins, director of the adjacent=20 Scholes International Airport. "Moody Gardens is already 2 million=20 people, so the impact you feel won't be that big." `At the push of a button' The island's SB will be the first year-round water park in Texas. The=20 indoor portion will include a kids' pool, a hot tub, tube and speed=20 slides and the Tidal Wave River, which is covered by a retractable=20 roof. "It allow us to be very versatile," SB's manager, Ron Sutula,=20 said during a presentation to the Historic Downtown Galveston=20 Partnership this month. "At the push of a button, the whole covered=20 system can open up." This portion of the park is expected to draw between 1,200-1,500=20 people daily. But that's throughout the course of a day, Sutula said,=20 which means all those people won't be coming and going at once. During the summer, SB should bring in about 6,000 people a day. It=20 will employ 25 full-time employees and close to 300 part-timers. Right now the plan is to direct traffic along 61st ST to Seawall BLVD=20 and then down 81st ST or 83rd ST to the amusement park. The idea is=20 to keep cars from driving along Jones RD, where neighborhoods and=20 businesses line the narrow street. Hopkins said there was no way to guarantee drivers would take this=20 route, but SB will print the route on its brochures and the city=20 hopes to get up directional signs in time for the park's opening. Something to look at Besides the rides themselves, Hopkins said he was most excited about=20 the aesthetic changes that SB would bring. "It's great because that=20 was an area that always looked like a third-world country, and now it=20 will be fully developed," he said. "It will be beautiful." Galveston's $30 million SB will boast 4,000 linear feet of river, at=20 least 6 mini-beaches and waterslides galore. During the construction this fall, Sutula said, he brought in 30=20 semitrucks filled with palm trees. That foliage will be scattered=20 among German architecture and bright, towering slides on 15 acres.=20 Parking lots for 1,700 vehicles will fill the remaining 11 acres. Although SB won't release plans yet, Sutula said the company would=20 begin construction on an additional section of the park Jan. 1. That section will include 2 new kids' areas, a 76' waterslide and a=20 landscaped corporate park, which could be rented for events such as=20 weddings, company picnics or parties. "We felt that in the market it=20 will be something that is needed," he said. By the time that section is open, Hopkins hopes the city will have=20 started work on a grand entrance off 85th ST. "In my mind it is a=20 median, 4-lane street," he said of the potential $9-$20 million=20 project. The Moody Foundation, which funds Moody Gardens, might pay for the=20 design, he said. But the city would have to track down construction=20 funding either through grants or from a special taxing zone set up=20 around the airport. Time to ride The big question now, though, is when the SB waterslides will start=20 running. The park had originally hoped for a Dec. 10 opening day. Now=20 managers just want to get started before the holidays pass. "We will=20 not put a date on it until we are absolutely sure," said Sherrie=20 Brammall, a SB representative.=20 The holdup, it seems, was partially caused by Hurricane Rita, which=20 shut down construction for a week. But a bigger issue has been=20 getting parts and equipment on time. "We had some delivery delays of=20 major components," Brammall said. As much as he is worried about the traffic issues, Lehna said he kind=20 of hopes SB is up and running by Christmas. He has a couple of grandkids who might come down then, and he knows=20 they'd enjoy a ride or two. ---------- =A9 2005 The Galveston County Daily News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 07:15:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38224 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 15:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:15:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:14:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:14:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Northern region to get another water theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5pOG1qQG9kNWd6-R2hHjrGgOv8LyosoqZpuc0oGT2fhyuiY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 25, 2005 The Star http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp? file=3D/2005/11/25/north/12693823&sec=3DNorth BY HANI SHERLIZA Perak, Malaysia -- The northern region will soon have another water=20 theme park akin to the one at Bukit Merah Laketown resort in Perak. Project developer Beh Huck Lee, who is managing director of Eupe=20 Corporation, said the 7-hectare water theme park costing "a few=20 million ringgit" would use a Canadian concept. He said work to construct the project would start in January and=20 scheduled to be completed in a year's time. He said the park would be sited within the grounds of Cinta Sayang=20 Golf and Country Resort in Sungai Petani. He said this at the launching of the country's very first golf resort=20 academy =96 the Cinta Sayang Rinuva Golf Academy - which was held in=20 conjunction with its Golf Challenge & Carnival 2005 yesterday. In his speech, Eupe executive chairman Datuk Tajudin Hashim said the=20 academy would put the resort on the world golfing map. He said the resort was committed to promoting golf tourism in the=20 country. "The academy will be the first golf academy in the northern=20 region and will be a boost for golf enthusiasts to learn every aspect=20 of golf.=20 "The academy will strive to be the accepted centre for golf=20 education," he said. The RM500,000 golf academy jointly managed by the resort and Rinuva=20 Golf is the first in Asia using software-based training facilities. Among the facilities available at the academy are a 300-yard twin=20 driving range with 38 bays for day and night practice and a new cafe. Also present were Cinta Sayang executive chairman Yeong Chee Fun and=20 Cinta Sayang Rinuva Golf Academy director Rilly Soon. ---------- =A9 1995-2005 Star Publications From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Nov 25 07:26:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57773 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EffTV-0000Vc-Ph for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:26:57 -0500 Message-ID: <43872D43.5060202@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:26:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1132894129.7486.27824.w120@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1132894129.7486.27824.w120@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781fc177a00eba3cd15adada6c5367652d860af86ce8588205350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gAzan4MENTTDUNHCH_kGWiWM6zdHLJjn5POzYVvv6RJKt2Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk > group. > Please ignore the file everyone. Sorry about that. If it's not clear, files like this DO NOT Belong on our list. It amounts to spam, and action will be taken against the offenders. As it is being done in this case. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 07:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70108 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 15:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:29:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:26:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney says one million have visited Hong Kong park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lFxgN1CO4is6UoGMvsw7hmN2R0TYzVDBdrKeOPUK42-pyLM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nov 24, 2005 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051124/ennew_afp/afpentertainmenthongkon gusdisney_051124212049 Lantau Island, HONG KONG, China -- More than a million people visited=20 Disney's newest theme park in Hong Kong (HK), company bosses said,=20 despite reports that attendances had been way below expectations. A statement from the company's California headquarters hailed the=20 park a success after notching up its first 100 days since opening in=20 September. "Since the beginning of our soft opening, while we were=20 not open every day to the public, Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) has=20 welcomed and entertained well over 1 million guests eager to=20 experience our immersive world of fun, fantasy and adventure," a=20 statement said. It also claimed that customer surveys found the park's cleanliness,=20 hotel experience, entertainment experience and staff attitude had all=20 rated well above 90%. The statement comes days after a report in the South China Morning=20 Post newspaper that the park was operating at well below half its=20 30,000 daily capacity. In an investigation, 4 reporters counted customers entering the park=20 and found only 12,972 people visited on Sunday November 13 and 11,399=20 on Wednesday November 16. Disney refuses to reveal its visitor figures for the 3-billion US=20 dollar park, which is 57% owned by the HK government. The company has been stung by accusations that the park is=20 failing. "The bottom-line is this: attendance is ramping up well,=20 which continues to give us confidence that we are on track to achieve=20 our long-term attendance goals," parks and resorts chairman Jay=20 Rasulo said. "Average daily attendance calculations by the media, especially over=20 a short period of time, have resulted in misleading and faulty=20 conclusions, and paint an oversimplified picture that doesn't reflect=20 either performance or guest enjoyment of the Disney entertainment=20 experience. "One must always remember in the tourism industry to take seasonality=20 and fluctuation during peak and non peak times into account, which=20 makes simple daily averages meaningless," Rasulo added. Disney is hoping to attract 5 million customers in its first 12=20 months and around 10 million every year after. HKDL became the company's first Chinese resort when it opened amid=20 huge fanfare on September 12 in an event attended by the city's=20 political leader Donald Tsang and Chinese VP Zeng Qinghong. The government has pinned its hopes of turning HK into a premium=20 tourist destination on the park, aiming to attract 1/3 of visitors=20 from China, 1/3 from overseas and the balance from home. Disney, meanwhile, hopes the park will be a springboard to sell its=20 other products - including movies, merchandise and clothing - in the=20 growing Chinese market. However, it has been beset with problems ever since it opened. More than 100 complaints have been lodged by staff who say they are=20 worked too hard while guests complained their rooms were infested=20 with insects and management was embroiled in a scandal when food=20 hygiene inspectors were told to remove their badges during a routine=20 visit. Last month the resort dropped the admission price for HK visitors in=20 what it called a "thank you" to the local community, but denied the=20 move was prompted by disappointing attendances. --------- =A9 2005 Agence France Presse =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Nov 25 08:43:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17043 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-21-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.21.232]:2678 helo=[10.0.1.3]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EfgcS-0001et-VD for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1132935890.243.4802.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1132935890.243.4802.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Confirms Lawsuit by Red Zone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=u7VKKMI7i4MPv9b5rXuqyq7BJN31y5gjCCTh9Ii2ZfV2h79DYBUEUA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags Inc. confirmed Wednesday that a group led > by Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder has sued the company in > connection with its bid to oust 3 board members and wrest control of > the amusement park operator. The judge denied Red Zone's request to prevent the current management from doing anything other than day-to-day operations (e.g., selling the company or properties), but also apparently indicated (according to a RZ press release I've linked to from masstort.org) that the judge expected SF to certify the election results fairly quickly. Bill From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Nov 26 17:55:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94911 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 01:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2005 01:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 01:55:26 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1fc.ebe4068 (15877) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hal3000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp04985626pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.220.150]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e05438912039a; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:55:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:55:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43891205.2020006@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.220.150 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cyclonic Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT- web hosting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=8NhaSSy48qkMWGbe05qksfIMAJed5E__6zoDoQwHHaOFaglgVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo George Burnash wrote on 11/22/2005, 9:02 AM: > It's off topic, though in a round a bout way it may eventually end up > applying to the list. :) > > After seeing some ads, I'm tossing around the idea of putting up a > website archiving my TR's, some photos, and other things like that. > I've noticed soem companies are advertising hosting for around $5 a > month, which would actually be something I can afford. But for those > that already have sites, I'm curious who you use for hosting, who you > recommend, and who you would advise to stay away from. > > Site building tools are also a plus, especially for a novice that > doesn't really know html, and doesn't want to use Frontpage, but who > also wants a file manager to work with individual files (somethign > that Earthlink doesn't like for some wierd reason) > > Thanks for help and advice. > > keep on ridin' > George (who is thinking about SirWillow.com hehe) I have been using The Prime Host (www.theprimehost.com) for several years now. They are cheap, give a decent amount of space with very little downtime, and have been quick in responding to any of my needs. They do have a very good file manager, but they don't have developer tools. -- Nathan brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Hey, someday I might actually update my website, just to shock everyone. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 11:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95692 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 19:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2005 19:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 19:51:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2005 19:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2005 19:50:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:50:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.106.115.226 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Disney, DCA and SFMM in 2 weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=wtl6WNnR3vSVOR7XG0mkZc-BL3JBmtVjt60z6kZOrvhAEKuuodY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Hey everyone, I have a question for all you SOCAL people. We're planning a trip to=20 take William to DL and DCA on Dec 9 + 10 and we just wondering how busy=20 the parks are these days typically. We don't want to spend the money=20 if the lines are going to be even remotely long. Also, if we don't do=20 Disney, what are SFMM's lines like? Are they still only running one=20 train on all the big rides or would it be worth taking a trip out=20 there? Haven't been in 2 years. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 13:15:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14226 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 21:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2005 21:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 21:15:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2005 21:15:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2005 21:15:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2005 21:15:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:15:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.153.230 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Disney, DCA and SFMM in 2 weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=4_SkQWSK3uTubYKBuDpeWefEMs22oDCdjhHDb5WyUJWcAVOmF4Fs X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral" wrote: > > Hey everyone, >=20 > I have a question for all you SOCAL people. We're planning a trip=20 > to take William to DL and DCA on Dec 9 + 10 and we just wondering=20 > how busy the parks are these days typically. We don't want to spend > the money if the lines are going to be even remotely long. Hm, I can't tell you about specific dates, but that would get you in before school is out for Christmas vacation. I was last at D-land on a rainy Friday in January of this year and it was possibly the shortest lines I'd ever seen there, nothing more than about 15 minutes at either park. Winter + non-holiday + weekday is probably your best combination if you're looking for short lines, but keep in mind that it was still sunny and in the 80-degree range earlier this week, and that the real question at Disneyland is busy vs. very busy. You might check out www.miceage.com and see how the latest pictures are. > Also, if we don't do=20 > Disney, what are SFMM's lines like? Are they still only running one=20 > train on all the big rides or would it be worth taking a trip out=20 > there? Haven't been in 2 years. I'm not sure. I've had pretty variable experiences with the lines at SFMM, even in off-peak visits. Sometimes the lines seem pretty reasonable, and other times they're much slower than they have any right to be. Sorry I can't be any more specific. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Nov 28 05:15:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22228 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Egiql-00057p-Ng for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <438B02ED.5030502@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:15:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff68e531ec125c991cc3ff443836869b0dc4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney, DCA and SFMM in 2 weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=mw5k23cW7T08155j8wy8zZvODxxnA6aK-55DuPCnKZ5_Euw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral" > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I have a question for all you SOCAL people. We're planning a trip > > to take William to DL and DCA on Dec 9 + 10 and we just wondering > > how busy the parks are these days typically. We don't want to spend > > the money if the lines are going to be even remotely long. > > Hm, I can't tell you about specific dates, but that would get you in > before school is out for Christmas vacation. > that the real question at Disneyland is busy vs. very busy. You might > check out www.miceage.com and see how the latest pictures are. Keeping in mind that the Christmas holidays are actually the Disney parks' busiest time of year... But, as Adam says, it's before school is out, so people aren't really traveling yet. But the locals will probably be turning out. I'd say that it shouldn't be horrible, but it will likely be at least a bit busier than normal. I'd expect moderate crowds, particularly on the 10th with it being a Saturday. I don't think that it would be enough to scare me away from the park though. :) > > > Also, if we don't do > > Disney, what are SFMM's lines like? Are they still only running one > > train on all the big rides or would it be worth taking a trip out > > there? Haven't been in 2 years. SFMM is odd. Knott's and Disney both pull in heavy crowds around Christmas, and especially during the Christmas break. SFMM doesn't. We've gone during Christmas break and the park, while not looking deserted, hasn't had much in the way of lines. Maybe it's because they don't really do anything for the holidays while the other parks do. In any case, my recommendation would be to stick with Disney, but be prepared for it to be a bit crowded. With using fastpass, and all of the stuff there to do, for us it would be more fun. And there's certainly a heck of a lot more there that William will enjoy. :) keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 08:59:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57566 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 16:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 16:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 16:59:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 16:58:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:58:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Disney, DCA and SFMM in 2 weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EQOaoRZ6juzAgRV-3rQtE4TpJepPZzce_LA_GLSfnqwriZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Brian, I would have to agree with Adam regarding his evaluation of Disney.=20 This is usually the time of year that I go (But not this year, I'm=20 broke :( ). Of course, I've been talking with others on the Disney sites, and it's=20 busier than usual - 50th Anniversary stuff, ya'know. I would also have to agree with George regarding 6FMM, very quiet.=20 There may also be issues regarding rides, food and shops being open. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral"=20 wrote: > Hey everyone, > I have a question for all you SOCAL people. We're planning a trip to=20 > take William to DL and DCA on Dec 9 + 10 and we just wondering how=20 busy=20 > the parks are these days typically. We don't want to spend the money=20 > if the lines are going to be even remotely long. Also, if we don't=20 do=20 > Disney, what are SFMM's lines like? Are they still only running one=20 > train on all the big rides or would it be worth taking a trip out=20 > there? Haven't been in 2 years. > AFLAC!!! > -Brian F. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:17:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3450 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:17:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:13:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:13:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:13:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Oversight lacking for theme park rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0gRxjXNo3Zs-8ktdcshNePiYtmc9Q6bZ2SmXmCRvX0dgVpA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 27, 2005 FLORIDA TODAY http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051127/NEWS01/511270301/1006 BY JOHN McCARTHY Orlando, FL -- It's hard to say how many people get sick, hurt or die=20 each year at amusement parks - or why it happens - given the lack of=20 federal oversight. State and U.S. agencies inspect and regulate mobile amusement rides,=20 the kind that travel to county fairs and church festivals. But, apart=20 from dictating construction and safety standards, they do not=20 directly monitor "fixed-site rides" in Florida, such as those at=20 major theme parks. The Consumer Product Safety Commission, however, does publish an=20 annual estimate of injuries and deaths involving fixed-site rides,=20 though it doesn't investigate the incidents. The commission estimates there were 22,000 injuries and 24 fatalities=20 at fixed-ride sites from 1997-2004. The highest number of deaths was=20 6 in 1999. The lowest was one in 2000 and one, again, in 2002. But those numbers are small, compared with the crowds of people who=20 visit amusement parks each year, said Beth Robertson, spokeswoman for=20 the IAAPA. Robertson says 300 million people take more than 1.5=20 billion trips on fixed-site rides each year. "The likelihood of being=20 injured on a ride, injured enough to require a visit to an overnight=20 hospital stay, is 1 in 10 million," she said. "The chances of being=20 fatally injured are 1 in 790 million." Bill Avery, president of Orlando-based Avery Safety Consulting,=20 believes amusement park injuries are underreported. For one thing, he=20 says, people might feel banged-up after a ride, but shrug it off=20 during their visits. "They wake up the next morning, and they can't=20 move, and they go to the ER. And they find out they have a broken=20 neck," said Avery, a former industry safety manager, who often serves=20 as an expert witness in lawsuits involving amusement park injuries. U.S. Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., has been pushing for federal oversight=20 of fixed-site rides for years. "It is simply inexcusable that when a=20 loved one dies or is seriously injured on these rides, there is no=20 system in place to ensure that the ride is investigated, the causes=20 determined, and the flaws fixed, not just on that ride, but on every=20 similar ride in every other state," Markey wrote in an e-mail=20 response to questions from FLORIDA TODAY. A 2002 study by the British government examined the root causes of=20 injuries and deaths on amusement rides in England. That study found=20 incidents occurred when G-force levels were within established limits=20 of human tolerability. "The G-forces were still important, but=20 considered of secondary importance due to modifying factors related=20 to the ergonomics of the passenger containment system as a whole,"=20 the study's authors wrote. The study found that the majority of incidents involved: Passenger behavior. Design of passenger seating and restraints. Passengers ability to brace themselves, or not. Riders who were too short for the rides' equipment. ---------- =A9 2005 FLORIDA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94640 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:25:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:25:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:25:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:25:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Will promoter's plans for Millennium Park pan out? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_cTpkJQoA00u130TFTuP4cK1OUZMFKWlQaalycyfhQ_HVMg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 25, 2005 The Albuquerque Tribune http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/op_commentaries/article/0,2565,ALBQ_19866_ 4266375,00.html By Larry Barker Albuquerque, NM -- Consider it Disneyland on the Rio Grande - but=20 bigger, much bigger, with a theme park, amusement rides, coliseum,=20 enclosed water park, indoor ski area, Western town, Indian village,=20 bowling alley, X-game facility, upscale restaurants and fancy hotels. Call it, "Millennium Park." It's the brain child of Albuquerque promoter Art Bostick. And at $5.6=20 billion (yes, billion), Millennium Park would be one of the most=20 ambitious construction projects in New Mexico history. "This will be=20 an 8-year contractual build-out park," Bostick said. "We will have a=20 base of 8,000 workers, working 24 hours a day, 365 days a year." Among the featured attractions will be a year-round indoor ski resort=20 with a 300' ski slope, snow-making equipment, ski lessons and a high- speed chair lift. Bostick has hit up investors all over the state to make the park a=20 reality. Folks like Tim Gomez's dad, who passed away last year. "He'd=20 call at least once a week, twice a month, 3 times a month, whenever=20 he needed cash," Gomez said of Bostick. Gomez's dad ended up pouring more than $150,000 into the project. Other investors include a restaurant owner, a teacher, a graphic=20 artist, businessmen, ranchers and others. And even though Bostick has=20 collected hundreds of thousands of dollars, Millennium Park has only=20 produced questions. For one, Bostick says his mega-resort would be built on 3,500 West=20 Side acres. "The main property is with Westland Park, Westland=20 Development," he said. Bostick has given investors copies of a purchase agreement, title=20 insurance and a land appraisal. But my investigation found that none of these documents are bona=20 fide. I found that Bostick doesn't own the land and never has. In=20 fact, his only connection to the Westland property is an option to=20 buy that expired years ago. Even though Bostick now admits he hasn't bought any land for the=20 resort, he still says he'll break ground next year. "The first things=20 to be on the agenda to actually be built and actually be working and=20 running in 3-4 years will be the bowling centers, the skating=20 facilities, the outside amphitheater, the indoor ski resort, the=20 indoor water park," Bostick said. I found that the only thing Bostick has is a handful of drawings=20 created by some graphic artists and a price tag. Bostick names Asif Sharfi as his chairman and CEO. But that was news=20 to Sharfi. "I was never affiliated with Millennium Park except in the=20 capacity of a consultant," said Sharfi, who also calls the $5.6=20 billion price tag "totally unrealistic." Bostick has a complete roster of top-flight managers. But when I=20 checked, none of the executives listed in his prospectus were=20 actually involved with the project. Bostick acknowledges that he has just a 10th-grade education and no=20 experience with theme parks or high finance. His only management experience comes from running a South Valley=20 skating rink before the venture folded. Last year, Bostick filed for=20 bankruptcy. And, he says, the hundreds of thousands of dollars he=20 took from investors is gone. When I asked if he had used any of it for personal expenses, he=20 said, "absolutely." "We've tried to keep the trips and stuff we've needed to go to=20 throughout the U.S., things to keep my personal upkeep going, just=20 like taking a payroll check type of deal," he said. That could put Bostick in violation of state law. "If they have=20 expended the money in a manner for personal use that was not=20 represented to the investors, then in our view that would be a=20 violation of the statute," said Bruce Kohl, who regulates the state's=20 Securities Division. In addition, Bostick is not licensed with the state and the park=20 project is not registered as the law requires. But Bostick's biggest=20 problem may be his deceptions, which could be considered securities=20 fraud. Bostick says if he's broken the law he'll shut the project down, but=20 he says Millennium Park will still become a reality. "It's not an=20 effort of will it happen, it's when," he said. Some of his investors, including Gomez, say they want their money=20 back. Bostick says he's willing to do so, but doesn't have the money.=20 He says he's working to raise more with unnamed Las Vegas=20 investors. "We feel we'll be raising the bar for everything that=20 Disney's ever done," he said. "Until I have a breath in my body, I=20 will keep on and make sure this thing happens." But it likely won't happen soon. Last week, New Mexico securities=20 regulators slapped Bostick with a cease-and-desist order for failure=20 to comply with the state's securities laws. Barker is an investigative reporter for KRQE News 13, where this=20 report first ran. -------------- 2005 =A9 The Albuquerque Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45238 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:31:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:30:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:30:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point wins awards for live entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rgF1BX-dM8_mwDSo8juaqXzXHE5oPqiGRfnWoQFfMuRwtfA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 26, 2005 Port Clinton News Herald http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051126/NEWS01/511260322/1002/NEWS01 Sandusky, OH -- Cedar Point was recently honored by the IAAPA for=20 superior achievements in live entertainment. The amusement park and=20 resort won 3 BIG-E awards at the 87th annual convention and trade=20 show held in Atlanta. The BIG-E awards acknowledge the most outstanding examples of=20 entertainment in the amusement industry. CP's "Twistin' to the '60s"=20 was awarded for best overall production. In addition, park employees=20 Erich DiCenzo and Michael Howard were awarded 1st and 2nd place of=20 best male performer, for their performances in this production. CP's live entertainment division is currently auditioning performers=20 across the county for the next season. They are looking for singers,=20 dancers, actors, musicians, technicians and participants to dress up=20 in PEANUTS character costumes, as well as escorts for the characters.=20 Applicants must be at least 18 years of age before May to audition. For information call the live entertainment division at 419-627-2388=20 or send an e-mail to liveshows@cedarpoint.com or check out the Web=20 site at www.cedarpoint.com ------------- =A92005 News Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:35:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10529 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:35:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:33:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:33:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hersheypark to add rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HLpPy92IvHqpv5M7bT-4Q8irP9zAimNBS_fRKZLELZQVnM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 26, 2005 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05330/612909.stm Hershey, PA -- Hersheypark officials got the green light Tuesday to=20 add several water-related rides in time for the amusement park's=20 100th anniversary in 2007. Derry Township supervisors passed the plan contingent on approval=20 from the Dauphin County Conservation District. Officials have offered few details on the plan, which includes a=20 water-play device, 3 pools, a water slide, a water playground and a=20 fountain. Hersheypark officials said they could not yet release specific=20 information on the rides because of competition between theme parks. The attractions will be built during 2006 and open in 2007. ---------- =A91997-2005 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:41:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82164 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:41:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:41:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:41:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Disney, DCA and SFMM in 2 weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=jUQYeCe1pRvMfo2m65fJxuJUIgtCheoSdXiP7i4qqSrvMgHz X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Peak season for Disney parks is christmas time and easter pretty=20 much in line with school breaks. Disney Vacation club points are=20 based on it and they have it down to a sciene (of course). Hubby travels on business to CA from MA 2x per month and will be=20 going this week. I was planning on going but will skip until the=20 next trip so I can have more time at San Fran an Irvine- I have yet=20 to get to Disneyland *VBG*. Might go in January!!! When it's super=20 cold here and I will look forward to the warm sunshine! Maybe=20 squeeze in a SFMM day somehow??? And of course the yearly February trip to WDW. This year we'll have=20 too many kids under the age of 7- Aaaack! ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral"=20 wrote: > > Hey everyone, >=20 > I have a question for all you SOCAL people. We're planning a trip=20 to=20 > take William to DL and DCA on Dec 9 + 10 and we just wondering how=20 busy=20 > the parks are these days typically. We don't want to spend the=20 money=20 > if the lines are going to be even remotely long. Also, if we=20 don't do=20 > Disney, what are SFMM's lines like? Are they still only running=20 one=20 > train on all the big rides or would it be worth taking a trip out=20 > there? Haven't been in 2 years. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:43:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22715 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:43:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:42:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:42:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Obituary: Roger Shaheen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qvqp3pBWLUmR8-xz0ezjmIBeOERdh3x997opTGZfzwVLvd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 25, 2005 The Boston Herald http://news.bostonherald.com/obituaries/view.bg?articleid=3D114108 Newburyport, MA -- Roger J. Shaheen of Newburyport, formerly of=20 Salisbury Beach, a lifelong entrepreneur, nationally recognized=20 amusement park owner, energetic philanthropist and World War II=20 veteran, died Monday in Newburyport. He was 85. Born in Lawrence, he had lived in Salisbury before moving to=20 Newburyport. He graduated from Newburyport High School, class of=20 1938. He attended Governor Dummer Academy. Mr. Shaheen was in the U.S. Coast Guard during World War II. He was a former automobile franchise dealer and a retail package=20 store owner. He also was the owner and developer of Shaheen's Fun=20 Park and was referred to as a "legend" in the field of amusements and=20 entertainment environments. Shaheen's Fun Park was named in Amusement=20 Business as operating "one of the most unique attractions in the=20 country." Mr. Shaheen established the Reptilarium, an educational reptile=20 exhibit, appearing on national TV, as well as sport and talk shows=20 throughout the country. He was a past president of the IAAPA and the New England Association=20 of Amusement Parks and Attractions. He served as a consultant to=20 major amusement parks internationally, at one time representing the=20 City of New York. He was also active in an International "Think=20 Tank". His professional recognition includes the 1976 "Outstanding=20 Service to the Industry Award of IAAPA"; the Vatican Medal,=20 personally presented by Pope Paul VI; special citations from every=20 Massachusetts Governor from 1962-1998; and numerous awards and=20 commendations from various city government officials throughout the=20 world. Mr. Shaheen was the 1st inductee into the New England Association of=20 Amusement Parks and Attractions Hall of Fame in 1998 and the 2nd=20 person to receive the "100 Club of Massachusetts Special Service=20 Award." He served on the Planning Board and Newburyport Area Redevelopment=20 Board, the Executive Board of the Anna Jaques Hospital, the=20 Governor's Tourist Development Advisory Commission and the Essex=20 County Board of Trade. He was chairman of the Town of Salisbury=20 Parking Commission. He was the president of the Salisbury Merchants=20 Association and the Salisbury Development and Industrial Committee.=20 He was also the project director for the town of Salisbury Mall=20 restoration. He served on the Board of Investment of the Institution=20 for Savings Bank of Newburyport. Mr. Shaheen was a member of the Elks Lodge, the Disabled American=20 Veterans and the American Legion. He was a charter member of the=20 Salisbury Lions Club and the Exchange club. He assisted hundreds in college funding through employment, loans and=20 grants. He was a leader in building the Governor Dummer access road,=20 fighting Salisbury's "No Liquor" vote and gaining better road access=20 to the beach. He also led the parking lot acquisition from the=20 Commonwealth and the proposed Casino project for Salisbury Beach. =20 Husband of the late Jayne E. (Kelleher), Mr. Shaheen is survived by 2=20 daughters, 4 grandchildren; 5 great-grandchildren; and his loving=20 companion and best friend of 20 years, Margaret Boggiano. A funeral service will be held at 9 a.m. Saturday, Dec. 3, at the=20 Church of the Immaculate Conception, Newburyport. -------- Copyright by the Boston Herald and Herald Media From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 09:49:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33828 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:47:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 17:47:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:47:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Cedar Point Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=eGlXwFZHcEdsCOWJJuPdnqdEij8hkQU947ZhoCSHQWSThzZC X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Since it's been a while since my last CP trip we're looking to go=20 again this year. Any insider tips on the best time to go after April??? Not worried=20 about crowds but upcoming openings, improvement, etc. Also last time many of the hotels were (how to say it politely) 'less=20 than par' for the price. Any good places to recommend? ~Kristy~ From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Nov 28 09:54:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57364 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 17:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 17:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 17:54:40 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.281.a32953 (3858) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <281.a32953.30bc9e27@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:53:43 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedar Point opens on May 6th next season. Early in the season, like first couple of weeks in May is good. The week before Labor Day is also good. Those are good times to stay in Breakers Express, a Cedar Point Hotel. It is a lot less than the hotels on site, and you still get your early entry pass for that. The Holiday Inn at Rt 2 and 250 is also a nice hotel for what you pay for. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Nov 28 10:52:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61200 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 18:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 18:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 18:52:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 18:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 18:47:35 -0000 Date: 28 Nov 2005 18:47:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1133203655.1425.24594.w108@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk group. File : /scpblt05-3.txt Uploaded by : gburnash Description : Voting Ballot for Mitch Hawker's steel coaster poll 2005 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/scpblt05-3.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gburnash From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Mon Nov 28 10:58:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84123 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 18:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 18:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 18:58:28 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ego7a-0002e4-Mq for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <438B5215.3080003@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:53:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff68ca2b14404c94a9a44e1c51dc10210917350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: NEWS: Mitch Hawker's Steel Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=K25qEAQfMTmtyrVF-Gz4U_KUDuJ8A4IWtyxOQs36Q8A89U4y_LU X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 It's that time for part two of the most accurate poll out there on which is the best (and worst) coasters. For those interested in voting on the steel coaster portion, I've uploaded the ballot to the group site, rather than posting up the huge long thing for everyone's email. It does take a bit of time, especially if you've been on a lot, but I strongly encourage everyone to vote. More information (including a couple of "simplification" links) can be found on Mitch's site at: http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm And the ballot itself can be found in our files section at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/ and look for the file near the bottom titled scpblt05-3.txt Again, it's well worth the time it takes to vote, and really is, I believe, the most accurate poll out there as to which is the best coasters. Make sure that your opinion is heard. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 11:28:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79830 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 19:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 19:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 19:28:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 19:28:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:28:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <438B5215.3080003@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Mitch Hawker's Steel Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=UJzdzKApFEVmVU9d4-W1rgDxnIMsNx5Vty_8j56T42dtk6QVMruT X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani There's still a couple of days left for the Wooden Poll, too. http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Nov 28 13:15:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43155 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 21:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 21:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 21:15:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:14:00 -0800 Message-Id: <200511281314.AA439746838@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Strongbad's Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=vSdLzqpJidjSimMwvqkIfb6pqR78yawuKD1RUD7U5--4phrvhjLV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just ran across this at homestarrunner.com. Strongbad gets an e-mail about opening his own theme park. There are some fun jabs at typical park activities and employees. > http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail104.html < Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:55:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90364 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 00:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 00:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 00:55:46 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so2588322wxd for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr1288942wxz; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:44 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200511281314.AA439746838@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200511281314.AA439746838@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Strongbad's Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=o-MFdJwvObQm9Qfw6iZ3gZnJiddHjcE0RvVbIPovZi9W6Hz7oNWBsas X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/28/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > I just ran across this at homestarrunner.com. Strongbad gets an e-mail > about opening his own theme park. There are some fun jabs at typical park > activities and employees. > > > http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail104.html < > > Jay > > There's also a Jungle Cruise bit at the end if you keep watching past where it seems it's over. Also, here's a RollerCoaster Tycoon park with a Homestar Runner section: http://www.nedesigns.com/?ne=tour&e=16 -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 06:49:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31145 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2005 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 14:49:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 14:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2005 14:47:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Safety of Florida's thrill rides in hands of amusement parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-qAeA9kqgFf8GtrlQU48Tg4vONXJlN-e-cPkP6-DWLjjzUc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 30, 2005 FLORIDA TODAY http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051130/NEWS01/511300374/1006 BY DONNA BALANCIA Orlando, FL -- At Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, the screams went quiet on=20 SheiKra on Oct. 14, when Florida's tallest roller coaster shut itself=20 down, stranding as many as 24 passengers at the brink of a 200' drop=20 for nearly an hour. A rescue trolley evacuated them, and the ride=20 later was deemed safe. At Disney-MGM Studios, a 16-y.o. British girl collapsed from a heart=20 attack in July after repeatedly riding the Tower of Terror, which=20 drops riders in pitch darkness in a simulated elevator failure. In=20 2002, a 47-y.o. woman suffered "anxiety and claustrophobia, atrial=20 fibulation" on the 13-story ride with the state's strongest downward=20 acceleration, a state list of park incidents shows. At Universal Studios, 3 passengers within 4 months in 2002 reported=20 back pain, neck pain and a fractured back after seeking thrills on=20 the Ripsaw Falls water-flume ride. They ranged in age from 36 to 62.=20 Incidents like those, compounded by 2 highly publicized deaths at=20 Disney-owned parks this past summer, have raised questions about=20 whether the state should begin inspecting and testing theme park=20 rides the way California does. Florida regulates ride safety for carnivals and fairs. But big theme=20 parks like WDW, SeaWorld Orlando and Universal are exempt from state=20 inspections and oversight. Instead, they abide by a written agreement known as a "memorandum of=20 understanding" with the Florida Department of Agriculture and=20 Consumer Services. It calls for the parks to inspect themselves,=20 report mishaps to the state and make an annual presentation on safety=20 issues. And all of the major theme parks employ engineers and maintenance=20 crews that inspect and repair rides, records show. It's a good system, operators say. "We have a team of dedicated=20 professionals, and each team is assigned to a coaster, spending a=20 minimum of 4 hours a day - well before guests arrive - inspecting=20 those rides," said Gerard Hoeppner, a spokesman for BG. "They walk=20 every inch of the rides. We have redundant safety systems, video=20 inspection and computer inspections. I can't stress enough that=20 safety is a No. 1 priority." A FLORIDA TODAY/WKMG-Local 6 examination found that the motion and G- forces on some of the region's signature roller coasters are stronger=20 than on the space shuttle, but not sustained enough to violate=20 industry standards. But a review of incident reports and annual state safety meeting=20 minutes from the past 4 years revealed 63 incidents involving=20 illness, injuries or death over the past 4 years on various rides. Documents obtained under the state's public records law show: 2 cases that made news in 2005. In June, Daudi Bamuwamye, a 4-y.o.=20 boy from Philadelphia, died on the Mission: Space ride at Epcot=20 Center. A heart condition caused his death, according to the Orange=20 County medical examiner. In August, Jerra Kirby, a 12-y.o. from=20 Newport News, Va., collapsed at Typhoon Lagoon and died. Her death=20 also was attributed to a heart condition. 9 other reports of fainting, chest pains or severe nausea on Mission:=20 Space since 2003. 17 reports of injuries or illness at water parks. They include broken=20 limbs from collisions and falls, as well as likely coincidences, such=20 as strokes or seizures suffered while at the park. No incidents were reported by SW between 2002 and 2005. At their annual meetings, state officials and the park operators have=20 concluded their discussions of mishaps by blaming most accidents=20 on "patron error," meeting minutes show. State clamps down Activist-mom Kathy Fackler often wishes she and her son had not=20 ridden on the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad roller coaster one day in=20 1998. Her son's foot was crushed between the car and a platform as he=20 was getting off the ride at DL in Anaheim, CA. Part of his foot had=20 to be amputated. Fackler, a former computer programmer and a homemaker in La Jolla,=20 Ca., said DL's analysis found they had no responsibility for the=20 accident because her son stuck his foot out - patron error. Since then, Fackler has made it her business to ensure that other=20 parents can judge the risks by reviewing accidents and reports on=20 state-inspected rides in California. "The standard lap bar used on=20 many of these rides is a concern of mine," she said. "When you bring=20 a young child on a ride, you pull down the bar. Of course, it fits=20 fine across your lap. But it does not fit across a child's lap." Fackler lobbied for state legislation passed in California in 1999=20 that called for the Division of Industrial Relations to inspect and=20 regulate rides at big parks such as DL and Six Flags. She says=20 Florida needs reforms, too. "There is no system of getting specific=20 information out on the hazards," she said. "I'm sure that parents=20 want to know about accidents that happened on rides their children=20 are going on." Now, state inspectors examine maintenance reports; review safety=20 procedures and training; observe the ride in action; and review=20 accident and death reports. Harold Hudson, an amusement ride engineer and industry consultant=20 based in Southlake, TX, sees advantages and some pitfalls to state=20 inspections. "They have total control over the process. They can=20 spend a week looking at one ride if they want. It's expensive,"=20 Hudson said. "Some people question the value added. I think it gives=20 the public more confidence. It doesn't necessarily mean the rides are=20 more safe." Against regulation Not everyone believes state regulation would help in Florida. "If you=20 impose a government standard, you can really lower the standards,"=20 said state Sen. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge. "Right now, they're required=20 to do whatever it takes to treat invitees with the highest level of=20 safety. If you establish standards, as long as they can assure=20 they're at that level, that's their only obligation for safety. And=20 if there's an opportunity that would dictate they could do more, they=20 wouldn't be obligated to do it. And they'd have a good defense that=20 they met the state standards, and whatever happens, happens." Posey said there are no good reasons to enact mandatory inspections=20 and public reports. "If you look at the millions of people who pass=20 through the theme parks and how so few are hurt, it's remarkable," he=20 said. "So why create a thousand new bureaucrats to oversee the theme=20 parks? If it got out that the theme parks did not treat their=20 customers to the safest extent humanly possible, their business would=20 be wrecked." Likewise, Cocoa-based lobbyist Guy Spearman said people should feel=20 comfortable with corporate safety measures. "Is there something wrong=20 with self-regulation?" asked Spearman, who represents Anheuser-Busch,=20 owner of SW and BG. "Theme parks are in a fixed location. They don't=20 change rides and locations from week to week. There is a memorandum=20 of understanding, and that's a legal document." From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 01 09:58:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 302 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 17:58:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2005 17:58:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:57:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: G-Forces On Theme Park Thrill Rides Evaluated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Q1_DGc0PGcpnF6Giwpl0tG-f61v27vTNTEKJyB8tdEuHHjY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 1, 2005 WKMG Local 6 Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20051201/lo_wkmg/3089393 Orlando, FL -- In a first-of-its-kind investigation, Local 6 News=20 teamed up with news partner Florida Today to evaluate G-forces riders=20 experience on Central Florida's most popular thrill rides. Questions about G-forces surfaced after last year's death of a 4-y.o.=20 on Epcot's Mission Space ride. A medical examiner recently determined=20 that Daudi Bamuwayme died from a pre-existing heart condition. Doctors have also been looking into whether an undetected medical=20 problem caused 16-y.o. Leanne Deacon to suffer a brain hemorrage=20 after riding the Tower of Terror ride at Disney-MGM Studios. Officials said G-forces produced by the thrill rides are harmless for=20 healthy riders. However, theme parks refuse to release information=20 about the intensity of their rides. So, using scientific equipment that measures G-forces, Local 6 News=20 measured the powerful sensations rider's experience. The report found that Disney's Space Mountain is still one of the=20 more intense rides in the area - showing more than 3.5=20 Gs. "Surprisingly, that is about the same maximum force as Central=20 Florida's newest thrill ride - Universal's Revenge of the Mummy,"=20 Local 6 reporter Mike DeForest said. "Neither one are super tall," American Coaster Enthusiasts spokesman=20 Chris Kraftchick said. "They're paced very well. In other words, they=20 don't sock you with a bunch of elements and then you go through a=20 lull." The report found Disney's Big Thunder Mountain Railroad to be the=20 most tame steel roller coaster tested, registering at 2.5 Gs. Disney's Rock-N-Roller Coaster was found to launch riders to near 4.5=20 Gs in the first 6 seconds. "You can feel it, you can feel your body=20 really being pulled back," Kraftchick said. "If you think about it,=20 you're launching up what, 60 mph straight up into 2 inversions." The report found that The Hulk roller coaster at Universal's Islands=20 of Adventure quickly changed G-forces. Going down a hill, riders feel weightless and then are pushed hard=20 into their seats at 4.5 Gs. The Hulk coaster had the highest gravitational forces measured in the=20 Orlando area. Amusement ride safety consultant Bill Avery said that based on G- forces alone, coasters that register more than 4 Gs like Universal's=20 Dueling Dragons and Sea World's Kraken are typically harmless as long=20 as the Gs are momentary. "The body can withstand G's to the 'four'=20 level," Avery said. It is when coasters combine those high Gs with sudden directional=20 changes that the risk of injure increases. "If a person just takes a=20 turn and they're still heading toward the right and then all of a=20 sudden the roller coaster takes a quick left, they've never recovered=20 from their initial momentum." Avery said.=20 Disney's Mission Space ride, which gives riders the sensation of=20 blasting off to Mars, produced the most surprising G-force=20 readings. "I'm thinking, we must be pulling 8 or 10 Gs on this thing,=20 as you're launching, your face is melting back in the seat,"=20 Kraftchick said. Although the spinning of the centrifuge may make some people sick,=20 the ride itself generatges just over 2 Gs, which is about the same=20 amount as the Test Track ride located next door, DeForest said. However, unlike roller coaster G-forces, which rapidly spike up and=20 down, Mission Space produces long, sustained G-forces. During launch of the Mission Space ride, DeForest experienced twice=20 the force of gravity for 15 seconds. "If you're expecting the=20 greatest thrill to be on the highest G-Force ride, you may be=20 disappointed, Avery said. ----------- =A9 2005 WKMG MyCFNow.com =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:10:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52990 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:10:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:08:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:08:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Seabreeze chief to lead industry group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZwW3GnYvffleDvDWCKWoZbyu5k2pzpWa_GHpCtQeDvOAVhg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 2, 2005 The Rochester Democrat & Chronicle http://www.rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051202/BUSINESS/512020383/1001 by Ben Rand=20 Rochester, NY =97- A representative of the 5th generation to operate=20 Seabreeze Park in Irondequoit will spend the next year in a=20 prestigious role working on behalf of the world's amusement industry. Rob Norris, SB's president and GM, is the 2006 chairman of the IAAPA.=20 He was elected during the industry's trade show in Atlanta. In his new role, Norris will serve as an ambassador and help set=20 strategy for the amusement association, which has more than 4,500=20 members from more than 90 countries. The association works on behalf=20 of membership on issues such as safety, efficiency, marketing,=20 profitability and regulatory affairs. Norris succeeds Jane Cooper, the former chairwoman and CEO of the=20 Paramount Parks chain. He said it's not at all unusual for a family=20 owner to become the head of the industry's trade association. SB,=20 founded in the late 1800s, is the 4th-oldest amusement park in the=20 country and 11th-oldest worldwide. "The private owner has always been=20 the cornerstone of our industry," he said. Norris expects to travel quite a bit as chairman, which should=20 benefit SB by exposing him to different ideas, particularly around=20 growth and design, he said. For instance, many parks in Europe are space-constrained in the same=20 way as SB. "But they are able to design a beautiful and intimate=20 atmosphere," he said. A graduate of Indiana Institute of Technology, Norris, 55, has been=20 active in the amusement association for many years and has worked at=20 SB since he was 10. Norris' family has owned SB since the 1940s but has been involved=20 with the park almost since its inception in the 1870s. ------------ =A9 2005 Rochester Democrat and Chronicle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:26:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69387 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:26:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:24:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:24:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:24:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tourism nod tops off record year at Calaway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FLcHb3eaKGcOwbceUKXTfZU_qGPloA5H49eF4ckX98oxeL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 30, 2005 Cochrane Times http://www.cochranetimes.com/story.php?id=3D199356 by Cory Pytlarz =20 Calgary, Alberta, CA -=97 Calaway Park was awarded the Alberta Tourism=20 Award for market excellence Nov. 14 in Calgary. The local amusement park took home the 2005 Alto award for its All=20 You Can Ride Buffet campaign that saw a record number of bodies go=20 through the gate in 2005. "We were ecstatic," says Calaway Park=20 marketing director Bob Williams. "I think it's a real feather in our=20 cap as an organization." The buffet theme saw the park operate on a one-pay basis, where the=20 entrance fee allowed ride enthusiasts an unlimited number of rides=20 and entrance to live shows. "Once you're in the facility, separate=20 from games and food and retail, everything is included," Williams=20 says. "Once they're in, they don't have to spend any money." Approximately half a million people pass through the park's gates in=20 2005, the most in the park's 24-year history and approximately 10,000=20 more than in 2004. This feat was even more impressive considering the heavy rain last=20 summer washed out 21 days at the park completely. "If we would have=20 had some of those days back from days lost to rain, we would have had=20 just a humongous year," Williams says. Calaway was a first-time Alto finalist in 2003, and this year over=20 100 Alberta facilities and attractions entered the marketing=20 excellence category for businesses with a budget exceeding $25,000.=20 The other 2 finalists included the Calgary Tower for its See You at=20 the Top campaign and La Chambre economique de l'Alberta--Decouvre=20 l'Alberta Avec Boeuf Gourment. "We were up against some stuff competition," Williams admits. "From a=20 tourism award perspective, it's the number one tourism award in the=20 province." The 2006 season will mark Calaway's 25th anniversary, and the park is=20 pulling out all the stops to continue to make the park exciting and=20 progressive. A new 65' 36-passenger thrill ride, a new kiddie swing ride, caf=E9=20 renovations, a motor safety school attraction and a new-look entrance=20 will all be arriving in time for next season. To celebrate their 25th anniversary, Calaway has also significantly=20 slashed the price of season passes. They are on sale for $25 plus=20 GST, the same amount it costs for one single day gate admission. The=20 regular cost of a year's pass is $54.95. ---------- =A9 2005 Cochrane Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:37:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59312 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:37:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:36:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:36:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Buckle Up, Snyder! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lxXGrNJDzUjRglsqJosgl-Gt68kFOD-qXBjUokA3ApEQ-b0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 29, 2005 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05112902.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz He did it. Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder was able to defeat a=20 sea of cautionary press releases from the Six Flags camp last week to=20 present the struggling amusement park operator with written consents=20 for a shakeup in its stodgy board of directors. If the court of public opinion bears out, Snyder will be joining the=20 chain's board along with 2 of his cronies. One is Mark Shapiro, who,=20 after a successful stint as an ESPN executive, now works for Snyder's=20 Red Zone investing arm. The other is NVR Chairman Dwight Schar. 6F is faring reasonably well this year, with attendance and per- capita guest spending both on the rise at its collection of regional=20 thrill parks. However, after years of taking a lackadaisical approach=20 to transforming the company into a profitable entity in the face of=20 being on the hook for well over $2 billion in debt, 6F's largest=20 investors have spoken. Even though 6F has insisted that either an=20 outright sale of the company or some strategic alliances will be=20 announced in a few weeks, a majority of shareholders have apparently=20 had enough. I can't blame them. None of the flags in the company's namesake=20 arsenal are white, but it has definitely felt like a surrender for 6F=20 after spending the past 2 years unloading assets that it had spent=20 decades accumulating. Once a company announces that it is seeking the=20 euphemistic "strategic alternatives," you just know that it's toast. It's common sense. The only reason someone would want to buy a=20 troubled company is to turn it around. And, believe it or not, 6F=20 can, and most likely will, be turned around. It just won't be the=20 handiwork of the guys who have run the company into the ground over=20 the past few years. 6F at half-staff It doesn't take long to wonder why this shakeup didn't take place=20 sooner. You don't even need to eye the grim stock chart. Let's=20 consider something as simple as 6F Great Adventure in New Jersey.=20 Drawing 2.8 million guests last year, it narrowly edges out Magic=20 Mountain in California as the chain's most-visited park. The 6F commitment to keeping 6FGAd popular is not in question. It=20 added a record-breaking steel coaster earlier this year, and it has a=20 tantalizing wooden behemoth going up for the 2006 season. However,=20 ask any traveler planning a trip to the park about nearby lodging,=20 and that person will tell you that there isn't a hotel for miles. Compare this with rival Cedar Fair's flagship Cedar Point park in=20 Ohio. The park attracts 3.2 million guests a year, so it's not that=20 much more active on the turnstile front than 6FGAd is. Yet over the=20 years, CF has established several overnight resorts within the park's=20 peninsula, as well as a pair of hotels just on the other side of the=20 causeway. It isn't until now that 6F is finally getting around to=20 working on getting a resort hotel built adjacent to 6FGAd. It's ridiculous. Please don't tell me that lodging isn't a big deal=20 for a regional player that relies on day-tripping locals. Build the=20 resorts, and folks will come. And because everyone from Hersheypark=20 to Disney to CP to Universal Orlando provides early park admission to=20 their overnight guests, the hotels become a great option for locals=20 with the means to spend - they get to take advantage of extended=20 hours and shorter lines. That's why I'm excited about the folks that Snyder is bringing on=20 board. Because NVR is a leading homebuilder, many have figured that=20 Schar's role will be to simply sell off any excess land that the=20 parks own. That may certainly be the case. However, NVR is a real=20 estate developer. What if the plan isn't to simply just sell off=20 parcels of land but to erect lodging and entertainment centers? It=20 doesn't even have to be a capital-intensive deal. After all, Kings=20 Island in Ohio is letting Great Wolf Resorts build an indoor water=20 park resort and receiving a minority interest in the venture simply=20 by letting GWR to build on land that the Viacom-owned park wasn't=20 using. 6F is coming around slowly in this regard. In 3 months, it is opening=20 a 200-suite resort with an indoor water park across from one of its=20 smallest parks in upstate New York. It's a great move that should=20 help smooth out the seasonality there. And it will help draw more=20 affluent guests to kick some coin into 6F's coffers. Yet that's why nothing should be as incendiary to longtime 6F=20 shareholders as the company bragging about attracting approximately=20 50 million guests each year, when it's now becoming clear that the=20 company left so much money on the table. Its guests could have stayed=20 longer and spent more over the years. When you're leveraged - and 6F=20 obviously is - it is disgraceful not to maximize every possible=20 return out of every borrowed cent. This doesn't mean that 6F should raise prices and cut spending.=20 That's a death sentence. I'm just at a loss to explain why a company=20 with so much at stake could afford to sleep at the wheel over the=20 years while the meter was still running. Along came Snyder I don't know whether Snyder is going to be a savior. I do know that=20 he and his Red Zone buddies will bring something different to the=20 table at a time when 6F needs it the most. Amusement parks can be a great business. Just hang outside a Disney=20 theme park and see the folks streaming out with shopping bags after=20 having already spent a ton on park tickets and pricey foodstuffs.=20 Mathew Emmert singled out CF as a worthy investment to Income=20 Investor subscribers because it has been a consistent grower and has=20 hiked its distribution every single year. You have a captive audience with a regional amusement park, a feature=20 that is true of an NFL team and a popular cable network. Snyder's new=20 crew may not nail 'em every time, but the alternative feels so much=20 more refreshing than the previous policy of waiting for the worms. That's the kind of stuff that white flags are made of. Thank goodness=20 that new flags will be fluttering in the wind soon. ------------ =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:43:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70640 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:43:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:41:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:41:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:41:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 2006 Season Passes Offer Holiday Savings and Lasting Summer Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=otEuXNHITOvIcDeodPupIRn852lKJPWM0Xbv1FuA8-eD8uM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 November 29, 2005 Press Release: Idlewild & SoakZone Yahoo! Finance PR Newswire LIGONIER, PA -- Idlewild Park is offering the perfect holiday gift=20 for kids of all ages - a season pass of 95 days of summer fun for=20 just $49.95. "Idlewild & SoakZone season passes are the perfect stocking stuffer=20 for families," said GM Brandon Leonatti. "They don't require=20 batteries, they never break, and best of all you can use them over=20 and over again to create lasting summer fun memories. Our season=20 passes are the best value for summer fun in western Pennsylvania and=20 a big reason why we are recognized as one of the best kid's parks in=20 the world!" Idlewild theme park season passes are packed with incredible perks=20 such as: - Unlimited visits to the park during the 2006 summer operating season - "Bring a Buddy Mondays," allowing each season pass holder to bring=20 1 guest with them for free admission on operating Mondays - a total=20 of 14 dates in 2006! - Exclusive in-park discounts on food, games, and merchandise such as=20 50% off "Goofy Golf" - Kennywood "NightRider" admission (after 5:00 p.m.) for just $7.50 -=20 far less than the regular price of $14.95 - Discounted admission to Idlewild's Hallowboo - a family Halloween=20 event occurring in October Holiday shoppers can easily purchase an incredible value-pass online=20 at www.idlewild.com, by calling 724.238.3666 or by visiting the park=20 Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 02 08:50:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96873 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 16:50:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2005 16:48:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:48:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Obituary: E. Cardon Walker, 89 - Led Disney into whole new World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rnYO_1nMgCMoziyXu1jKZWla-0PjX43L7HmlSufeDZCtHJY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 02, 2005=20 The Miami Herald Associated Press http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13306656.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_nation BURBANK, CA -- E. Cardon "Card" Walker, who helped create Walt Disney=20 World and expand the company's theme parks around the world, has=20 died. He was 89. Walker died of congestive heart failure Monday at his home in La=20 Canada Flintridge, Disney officials said. Walker helped lead the Disney Co. through a difficult transition=20 after the death of Walt Disney in 1966. As a board member from 1960=20 until 1983, he was instrumental in expanding the company's theme=20 parks, including the purchase and development of 28,000 acres in=20 Central Florida that later became WDW. He became president of the=20 company in 1971, the year co-founder Roy O. Disney died and WDW=20 opened. Walker joined Disney in 1938, starting in the mailroom. He later=20 moved into advertising and sales and became VP of marketing. In 1966, he was named executive VP and COO after Walt Disney's death.=20 In 1971, he was named Disney's president and in 1976 became chief=20 CEO. He was elected chairman of the board in 1980. He presided over=20 the opening of EPCOT in Florida, Tokyo Disneyland and the creation of=20 the Disney Channel, the company's first cable network. After his retirement, Ron Miller, Walt Disney's son-in-law, ran the=20 company for 2 years. Miller was succeeded in 1984 by Michael Eisner. Walker was born in 1916 in Rexburg, Idaho. He is survived by his=20 wife, 3 children and 5 grandchildren. From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Dec 02 18:35:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49855 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 02:35:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 02:33:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2005 02:33:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:33:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.103.109 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: SFNE announces two new rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=JRhXdKRNslEv2SV1u4PMjovTKLoEguDIwlblsvRZQ7hxcuBXkyQV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme And they also say goodbye to the Poland Springs Plunge (aka Red River Rapids), one of the first and ugliest flume in New England. It used to sit sprawled across the black pavement like a snake on a highway.=20 But over the past few years, Six Flags has populated it with cattails and decorations, and really made it look quite inviting. I guess this is the year to get ride of flumes.... I've posted pictures that went with the article at: > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/rollercoastertalk/lst?&.dir=3D/Miscell= aneous&.src=3Dgr&.view=3Dt&.url=3Dhttp%3a//us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_29756= 06/Miscellaneous/SFNE%2bSkyswatter%2bsketch.jpg%3fbcBpwjyBQLYZugaK&.cx=3D15= 0&.cy=3D115&.type=3Du < =3D=3D=3D Six Flags eyes new attractions The Skyswatter would have an operating height of 100 feet. by Dan Lamothe, Republican (Springfield, MA) AGAWAM -- Looking to the future, Six Flags New England is seeking to build two more large-scale amusement rides on their grounds on Main Street, a move that would boost their number of rides to almost 60. The rides, tentatively called the Skyswatter and the White Water Family Ride, remain in planning stages and will go before the city's Zoning Board of Appeals on Jan. 9 when Six Flags officials seek special permits required for all planned structures higher than 45 feet in Agawam. "We're in the early stages of planning for 2006, and we'll continue to work hand-in-hand with the city during the process," said Melissa Pinkerton, a spokeswoman for the theme park. "Once plans are finalized, we'll probably make an announcement sometime in February." According to documents filed with the city, the Skyswatter would have an "operating height" of 100 feet, and take up an estimated 68,475-square-foot area near the Cyclone, a holdover roller coaster from the park's era as Riverside Park. An artist's rendering of the ride filed with the city shows it having two large cars pivoting on a central point located 42 feet high. The White Water Family Ride would have an operating height of 59 feet, and be built on 75,746 square feet of land following the demolition of the Poland Spring Plunge, a water flume ride that has been in operation since 1973. Pinkerton said the exact location of the new rides is still undecided and could be changed depending on any concerns city officials have. "We're still working through the process," she said. She declined to release a possible price tag on either attraction. According to documents filed with the city by Vanasse Hangen Brustlin, Inc., an architectural firm in Springfield, Six Flags officials believe the placement of the two rides will even out pedestrian traffic at Six Flags without increasing vehicular traffic outside the attraction. If built, it would mark the second consecutive year that Six Flags New England has bolstered its lineup. This year, the park debuted Mr. Six's Pandemonium, a roller coaster featuring spinning cars, and Typhoon, a "water coaster."=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 09:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95029 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 17:36:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 17:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 17:34:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 17:34:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:34:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Holiday-theme amusement park may develop into year-round facility X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=A3EsBSB6SqwOGT1FeqaJYNEz0XBwjl-gAmniPsf7nd8Kl4U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 2, 2005 The Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2005/12/05/story3.html? from_rss=3D1 by Angela Gonzales Phoenix, AZ -- Owners of the new Christmas theme park at Firebird=20 International Raceway are in negotiations with a major developer to=20 expand their operation to a full-blown, full-time amusement park. Santa's LLC would be the newest name added to the list of companies=20 trying to build a year-round theme park in Arizona. The Phoenix-based company opened Santa's - A Christmas Theme Park=20 Nov. 16, just off I-10 in Chandler. With more than 50 amusement park=20 rides, 2 million light bulbs and a 78' Christmas tree, the $15=20 million investment spans a mile along I-10. But it could be a holiday anchor for a major theme park if=20 negotiations go well, said James Knips, president of Santa's=20 LLC. "Without mentioning who, we have been in talks with major theme=20 park developers, and it's possible we might do something together,"=20 Knips said. "We hope to be a major theme park down the road, then we=20 can bring in Santa's during the holiday season and possibly add a=20 theme park." Knips said he wants to continue the company's rental agreement with=20 the Gila River Indian Community, adding it would be a couple of years=20 before his company would expand. "We would love to stay in the Gila=20 River Indian Community," he said. "They have been very good to us.=20 They have a tremendous master plan for that community." The seasonal amusement park at Firebird follows varying stages of=20 discussions for other parks being considered throughout the state.=20 Groups in west Phoenix and Williams secured special tax districts=20 earlier this year to create a water park and an amusement park,=20 respectively. And for years, owners of Schnepf Farms in Queen Creek=20 have tried to quash rumors that they are selling their 300-acre farm=20 to an amusement park such as Disney or Six Flags. Danny Brand, GM and CEO of Santa's LLC, said he chose Phoenix for his=20 park because of its growth, diverse population and moderate weather.=20 With his best friend Knips at his side, he brought on Guy Leavitt as=20 chairman. Leavitt is president and CEO of Ray Cammack Shows Inc.,=20 which provides amusement park rides for Santa's park as well as for a=20 dozen state fairs across the country, including the Arizona State=20 Fair. "A park of this nature costs more than $15 million as a=20 startup, including infrastructure, equipment, decorations -=20 everything involved in starting up this park," Knips said.=20 The company's agreement with the Gila River community is for 80 acres=20 at Firebird, which can be renewed year after year, Knips said. On the land that runs along I-10, there was no infrastructure, which=20 meant Santa's LLC had to install more than 20,000' of sewer & water=20 pipes, as well as new electrical poles & lines. The company also laid=20 more than 1,000 tons of asphalt and surfacing material. "The=20 infrastructure cost was enormous, which tells you we're committed to=20 the community," Knips said. "We have a lot invested in the project - a lot of sponsorship=20 obligations that we are proud to be involved with, such as Coca-Cola,=20 Bashas' and Food City." They also chose Phoenix Children's Hospital, YMCA and Make A Wish=20 Foundation as charities that will receive a portion of ticket sales. The park will be open through Jan. 8, 2006. Tickets are $23 for=20 adults and $18 for seniors and children under 10 years of age. Once=20 in the park, all the amusement rides are free. In the first days the park was open, Knips noticed some adults=20 weren't interested in the rides, preferring to spend their time=20 watching live shows and walking through Santa's Christmas Village,=20 which includes 23 Christmas fantasy themes. Tweaking the program as it goes along, Knips said beginning Dec. 2,=20 customers will have the option to buy a $16 no-ride entertainment=20 pass. Company officials also decided to change park hours, opening=20 earlier on weekends and holidays than originally scheduled. Knips hopes to attract as many visitors to Santa's park as the=20 Arizona State Fair, which saw a record-breaking 1.28 million people=20 go through the turnstyles this year. Santa's will be open for 53 days, compared with 17 days for the state=20 fair, he said. He figures there are more weekends and students on=20 winter break who will help boost the attendance numbers. Jeff Brooks, GM of Castles N' Coasters near Metrocenter mall in=20 Phoenix, declined to comment about the competition. "Any time there's=20 a like business, there's competition," Brooks said. "What they do is=20 their business. We've got all we can handle here." Brooks declined to reveal his costs when he added Castles N' Coasters=20 to the existing miniature golf facility almost 20 years ago. Knips said the company could turn a profit this first year, but said=20 he is more focused on building a park that will be accepted by the=20 community. More than $3 million has been spent on advertising, he said. Plans call for building additional Santa's theme parks in other warm=20 climate states, such as California, Texas and Florida as well as in=20 Mexico, Knips said. "We won't do any expansion in 2006," he said. "We=20 want to fine-tune this to be our premier startup and then we have=20 forecast to go into other states, starting in 2007." Brand had worked for more than 22 years in Florida as executive VP of=20 Santa's Enchanted Forest in Miami, which grew from 175,000 visitors=20 to 800,000 guests before he left in 2003. He retired from that company in January 2004 and began putting his=20 plans together to open the Santa's theme park in Phoenix. "We're very=20 excited to be bringing this wonder-filled event to Arizona," Brand=20 said. "The holidays tend to create a special feeling, and we want to=20 capture that feeling for as long as possible." ------------ =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 09:44:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90771 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 17:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 17:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 17:44:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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It was stuck at the North Pole =97 an amusement park on the slopes of=20 Pikes Peak 10 miles to the northwest. Organizers of the 21st annual Festival of Lights Parade brought in an=20 import: a BMW convertible. "They couldn't get [the sled] out. We didn't=20 know what else to do," said Terry Collinson, parade organizer. ----------- Copyright 2005, The Associated Press. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 09:51:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96778 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 17:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 17:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 17:51:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 17:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 17:47:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:47:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Playland accident inspires mother to write musical X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MdWA1naHiADVbV2mJow3odUCgOh1oY0GBMy8PjZesQ7GhbI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 4, 2005 THE JOURNAL NEWS http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051204/NEWS02/512040309/1017 By SHAWN COHEN DARIEN, CN -=97 Elayne Cassara collapsed onto a mattress, her eyes=20 cried out, a day after her boy was killed at an amusement park. Then a man identified as an "old friend" walked into the room and sat=20 beside her. "In case you haven't heard, my son was in a major=20 accident and now he is gone," Cassara shouted. "And where were you?=20 Nowhere to be found. I kept calling your name over and over and you=20 never showed. I'm done with this life and everyone in it, especially=20 you!" The man stared deeply into her eyes. "I understand," he said=20 softly. "I just came to tell you that I love you. I know that is hard=20 to believe right now, but I do." The man turns out to be God, and it's the opening scene to Cassara's=20 musical, "Eternity," based on her family's tragedy at Playland=20 Amusement Park in Rye. Cassara wrote the musical and stars as=20 herself =97 a mother struggling with the death of her 7-y.o. son. Her boy, Jon-Kely, fell off a ride in August, and his mother, who was=20 with him that day, wrote the musical as her way of coping and=20 spreading a message that people can transcend tragedy by embracing=20 God. The cast began rehearsals for the musical Thursday and will stage it=20 this holiday season at the New Life Christian Fellowship, a Darien=20 church with 2,000 members that Cassara started with her husband,=20 Robert, 15 years ago. It will run from Dec. 12 to 18 =97 seven days to=20 memorialize each year of her son's life. Tickets are free, though a=20 $25 donation is suggested. It will be performed in the church's 700- seat auditorium, which once was a dinner theater. "We believe great=20 comfort will be found by all those who attend," Cassara wrote in an=20 invitation to the show. "It is our desire to reverse the negative=20 experience of death and transform it into something completely life=20 giving. We would like to give the world the gift of Eternity." Cassara let Jon-Kely board the Ye Olde Mill ride by himself Aug. 3,=20 then joined the frantic search after he fell off the log boat in the=20 dark. His body was found in the water, beneath a conveyor belt. The incident tested her belief in God, even as she continued to serve=20 as co-pastor of a church of strong believers. During the memorial=20 service, she told the congregation that she didn't know whether she=20 would ever be able to preach the Bible again. She blamed the devil=20 for Jon-Kely's death and said her faith kept her strong. She told=20 congregants that she laid her son's dead body on the floor of her=20 basement and witnessed his rise to a place she called "paradise." In the 3 months since his death, the Cassaras have begun a mission=20 to "turn tragedy to triumph." They have been speaking publicly about=20 the dangers of amusement parks, hoping their son's death will serve=20 as a wake-up call for parents. They also have sued Playland and=20 Westchester County, blaming them for faults in the ride and its=20 operation. In September, Elayne Cassara clutched a small red Bible as=20 her family lawyer announced the wrongful-death lawsuit and said the=20 family would use any potential award to build a Christian school for=20 underprivileged children in Jon-Kely's memory. Cassara sat down the same month to start writing the musical, which=20 begins the day after Jon-Kely's death. Cassara composed the songs=20 herself, having served as the church's musical director for the past=20 13 years. And she put herself in the lead role. Her 23-y.o. stepson=20 will join the cast, and she is trying to talk her 4-y.o. daughter=20 into playing a part. Jean Picard-Ami, a member of the church who sings in a rock band, was=20 chosen to play God. "Of course, I'm just praying I can represent him=20 well," said Picard-Ami. "My role is to bring hope where there is=20 none." Picard-Ami first met Jon-Kely the Sunday before his death, and=20 remembers his smile and blue eyes. He said he was thinking about=20 those eyes as he stared at the boy's mother during rehearsals. "When=20 I'm doing those scenes, I'm seeing him," he said. "I had trouble=20 looking into her eyes because it was tugging at me." The show is timed to coincide with the holidays. "Christmas is about=20 life, about the birth of our savior and redemption of humanity,"=20 Elayne Cassara said. "That's definitely our message, that there is an=20 eternity that waits for us. That's the thing that keeps us breathing=20 right now, and that's the hope we want to bring to the world." ---------- Copyright 2005 The Journal News, a Gannett Co. Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 10:02:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38685 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 18:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 18:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 18:02:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 18:01:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 18:01:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 18:01:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:01:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Strong season not an indicator of future prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jgAZ0iNzJZ6dVXYB1yZ3z_oKJv0IijDbXlO09wYP-RovpEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 3, 2005 FLORIDA TODAY BY DONNA BALANCIA Orlando, FL -- Robust hotel occupancy rates in Central Florida are on=20 the horizon for the holiday season, as Orlando-area theme park=20 attendance is expected to be strong. But high attendance may not stave off an increase in theme park=20 ticket prices after Jan. 1, travel and theme park analysts say. "The=20 theme parks seem to raise their prices often, but it's probably the=20 electricity for running the lights and the rides," said Ronnie=20 Robertson, leisure-travel specialist with Global Tours & Travel in=20 Melbourne. "I don't think high occupancy rates at the hotels and=20 theme parks during the holidays will keep them from raising prices." Executives for Anheuser-Busch, the parent company of SeaWorld Orlando=20 and Busch Gardens Tampa, said during a recent investors' meeting,=20 that the company would seek to raise prices on all products. But it is not known if that across-the-board increase on Anheuser- Busch products will affect theme parks. Becca Bides, a spokeswoman for SeaWorld said: "We continually=20 evaluate the market, and we will make any such decisions on that and=20 any special Florida resident offers at the appropriate time." Other officials declined to discuss prices."We don't speculate on=20 what our ticket price structure might be at some point in the=20 future," said Dave Herbst, a WDW spokesman. Ronda Murphy, a Universal spokeswoman, said "We don't discuss pricing=20 strategies." But industry expert James Zoltak said it's likely there have been=20 internal discussions of ticket pricing. "Long before the 4th quarter,=20 the parks have their forecasts and budgets formulated for the=20 following year," said Zoltak, editor of Amusement Business, a Los=20 Angeles-based trade publication that covers the theme-park=20 industry. "Admission prices are a key component of that budgeting=20 process. It helps determine an awful lot of things in the forecast=20 and budgets, not the least of which is gross revenue." Battling back from losses incurred from hurricanes and high gas=20 prices, the theme parks will continue to look for ways to increase=20 revenue, said Jerry Aldrich, president of Amusement Industry=20 Consulting of Orlando. "I think they consider raising the prices at=20 all times of the year, and you seldom see one do it without the=20 others following," Aldrich said. "I know they purposely hold off=20 until after this time of the year so it doesn't look like they're=20 capitalizing on the holidays. I would say Busch probably wouldn't do=20 it alone. But there isn't any collusion among the parks." Historically, the period of Christmas to New Year's tends to be one=20 of the busiest times of the year at Disney's 4 Orlando-area parks,=20 according to Herbst, the WDW spokesman. "There's extremely high=20 demand for the holiday season," said Vince LaRuffa, VP for resorts=20 sales and marketing at Universal. Portofino Bay Hotel, Hard Rock Hotel and Royal Pacific Resort are run=20 through a co-venture between Universal and Loews Hotels. "We're on=20 pace to meet or exceed numbers from last year," LaRuffa=20 said. "Historically, the week between Christmas and New Year's marks=20 the beginning of the return of visitation for markets outside the=20 state. That trend will continue through the spring, as people living=20 in colder climates head our way for a dose of sunshine." While the theme parks won't speculate on specific holiday figures for=20 attendance, local hotel occupancy is an indicator of how busy the=20 parks will be this holiday season. According to statistics provided by the Orlando/Orange County=20 Convention & Visitors Bureau, last year, Orlando-area hotel occupancy=20 during the week beginning Dec. 19 was 53.7%. During the week=20 beginning Dec. 26, occupancy soared to 83.8%. "Usually, I've found=20 from booking, the hotel rates are up as soon as the kids are out of=20 school, whereas in the beginning of December, occupancy is low,"=20 Robertson said. "The week before Christmas is good. But, the week=20 before New Year's Eve, the celebrations at the theme parks are=20 extremely popular. It's extremely difficult to find a room. You'll=20 find the hotels around the theme parks will be 100% booked." Brevard County hotels also feel the influence of the theme parks over=20 the holidays. "We're jam-packed this holiday season," said Shay=20 Baranowski, GM of the Holiday Inn Cocoa Beach Oceanfront Resort. "The=20 Central Florida theme parks are important to us, and we're thankful=20 they get the business they do." Orlando International Airport could see an increase in passenger=20 traffic this holiday season, too. "We've been running between 8-10%=20 higher for the year," said Carolyn Fennell, director of public=20 affairs for the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority. "If it follows=20 the pattern, Christmas this year could be higher." From October 2004 through September 2005, the airport had 33.8=20 million travelers, Fennell said. -------- =A9 2005 FLORIDA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 05 10:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15787 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2005 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 18:08:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 18:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2005 18:07:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Settlement ends lawsuit in Disneyland Thunder Mountain death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=btbVV20JlKAtRWlAGjbkZHrcqFLZgl9CHR-no8wa5cqtMT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 2, 2005 ASSOCIATED PRESS Sign On San Diego http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20051202-1310-ca- disneylandsuit.html By Gary Gentile LOS ANGELES, CA -=96 The Walt Disney Co. has agreed to settle a=20 wrongful-death lawsuit brought by the family of a 22-y.o. man killed=20 on a roller coaster at Disneyland in 2003. Disney said Friday it accepts responsibility for incorrectly=20 performing maintenance on the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad ride. An=20 axle assemble came loose on the ride on Sept. 5, 2003, causing the=20 first passenger car to jackknife and slam into the lead car, which is=20 shaped to resemble a locomotive. The accident caused the death of Marcelo Torres of Gardena, who=20 suffered severe blunt force trauma and extensive internal bleeding. Terms of the settlement were confidential. But Torres' family said it=20 would take $500,000 from the settlement to establish a memorial=20 scholarship at Brooks College for aspiring animators. Torres=20 graduated from the school and planned on a career in animation. "We=20 are still grieving the loss of our son Marcelo, but we understand=20 that we must move forward," the family said in a statement. "There is=20 no money possible to pay for his life ... ever, but that is the only=20 remedy the law can provide. Now, that this exhausting emotional=20 process has finally concluded and we have our answers, we will=20 hopefully have some closure." A second lawsuit brought by the family of Torres' best friend,=20 Vicente Gutierrez, was also settled. Both cases were to be tried=20 together beginning Monday. Gutierrez was sitting in the car next to Torres and suffered=20 substantial injuries. He also suffered from post-traumatic stress=20 disorder and is recovering, according to Wylie Aitken, the attorney=20 representing both the Torres family and Gutierrez. A third suit brought on behalf of other passengers injured in the=20 crash has also been settled, Disney spokesman Rob Doughty said. "We=20 all deeply regret that the tragic accident occurred and are terribly=20 saddened by the grievous pain this caused the Torres family," Doughty=20 said. --------- =A9 Copyright 2005 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. 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News Singapore http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051202/5/singapore181627.html Pasir Ris, Singapore -- 2 girls fell while they were on an indoor=20 roller-coaster ride at the Escape Theme Park at Pasir Ris on Friday. A 9-y.o. girl and her 11-y.o. sister had gone to the theme park with=20 their mother when the accident happened at about 11.30am. Channel NewsAsia understands the girls were thrown off the ride about=20 3 metres above the ground. The 2 girls suffered serious back injuries and are in critical=20 condition. They were sent to Changi General Hospital. The younger of the two was later sent to KK Women's and Children's=20 Hospital. It is believed the cause of the accident could be due to a faulty=20 safety bar. Police are investigating. - CNA/ir ---------- =A9 2005MediaCorp News =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 16:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 16:21:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:21:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Virginia theme parks will recruit soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Uk52ihRBhEBEmQ9pg1oMQ1yS3RgrOzdpYX74JR8Uz04S5dY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 3, 2005 Richmond Times-Dispatch http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite? pagename=3DRTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=3DMGArticle&cid=3D1128768499098= & path=3D!business&s=3D1045855934855 by Julian Benbow Richmond, VA -- Disney's visit to Richmond comes just weeks before=20 area theme parks Busch Gardens and Paramount's Kings Dominion begin=20 their recruiting efforts. PKD is in the process of rehiring employees from last season. The=20 park will begin hiring Jan. 2 for the 2006 season, which starts April=20 1. Spokeswoman Susan Storey said that after the first of next year, job=20 seekers can stop by the park between 8:30 a.m. & 5:30 p.m. to=20 schedule an interview. The Doswell park plans to have 4 major on-site interview days - 1 in=20 February, 2 in March and another in April - but it has yet to set=20 dates. PKD will extend its search to Singapore as well, planning to bring=20 between 100-150 people from the Southeast Asian country. They will=20 work from early spring to late fall, Storey said, and are mostly=20 college-age workers. "It's something new for us," Storey said. "We=20 found that international associates can help us. They're usually=20 available early in the spring and later in the fall. So it's just a=20 way for us to broaden our associate base." Busch Gardens has 4 job fairs scheduled for next year: Jan. 14, Jan.=20 28, Feb. 11 and Feb. 25. Spokeswoman Diane Centeno said positions=20 will be available at the theme park and at Water Country. Also, since Nov. 1, BG has combed the East Coast looking for singers,=20 dancers and musicians for its 2006 season. The Williamsburg park has=20 about 200 spots available but expects more than 2,000 auditions. ---------- =A9 2005, Media General, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 06 08:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96165 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 16:31:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 16:30:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2005 16:30:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:30:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: John Pepper named to Disney board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2I3MyIJEERwLql8-MEh3dd3SHxKEDh3R2Pefehn1jH_cUrs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 5, 2005 Cincinnati Business Courier Yahoo! Finance Business Journal http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/051205/1198997.html?.v=3D2 Burbank, CA -- Walt Disney Co. has elected John Pepper, former=20 chairman and CEO of Procter & Gamble, as a new independent director,=20 effective Jan. 1. Disney also elected Orin Smith, former president and CEO of Starbucks=20 Corp., as director. With the election of Pepper and Smith, 11 of 13=20 directors on Disney's board will be independent. "By growing,=20 cultivating and protecting some of the best known brands worldwide at=20 Procter & Gamble and Starbucks, John and Orin bring invaluable global=20 perspectives as well as proven commitments to social responsibility,"=20 said Sen. George Mitchell, Disney chairman. Pepper, 67, was named chairman and CEO of Procter in 1995 and retired=20 from the company in 2002, after 38 years. In 2003, he retired as=20 chairman of the executive committee of the board. For the past 2=20 years he has been VP for finance and administration at Yale=20 University. Pepper said that when he was first approached about joining another=20 board, his immediate response was that he was leaving boards, not=20 joining them. But when told it was Disney, he was intrigued by=20 the "great brand" and the entertainment aspects of the company. Plus, he said, it will give him more opportunities to visit the West=20 Coast where his son and daughter-in-law live and are expecting a=20 baby. While being a grandfather wasn't a primary consideration for=20 joining the board, Pepper said, it sure didn't hurt. "I told=20 them, 'I'll be the best grandpa ever,'" he said. Pepper is a director of Boston Scientific Corp and of PSI (Population=20 Services International). He also is on the executive committee of the=20 Cincinnati Youth Collaborative and is honorary co-chair and member of=20 the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center. ------------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:19:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:19:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Pacific Park at the Santa Monica Pier to Launch Cygnus E-Ticketing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CZ8xuFE7Mr-DKUKLyYUS6NWq0BDFnGwBBpCqRYrgeqgSDiA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 6, 2005 Press Release: Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. MARKET WIRE Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/051206/0103301.html ORLANDO, FL -- Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. today announced it=20 has signed a contract with Santa Monica Amusements to provide print=20 at home ticketing technology and services for Pacific Park, the west=20 coast's only amusement park located on a pier. Tickets will soon be=20 available at pacpark.com. The new online ticket store will utilize=20 Cygnus' ceShop(TM) E-commerce sales engine, ceTicket=AE electronic=20 fulfillment technology and cePay(TM) financial processing. "Cygnus is very pleased to have been selected by Pacific Park as=20 their provider of advanced e-ticketing solutions," said Ian McMillan,=20 VP of Theme Park and Attraction Sales at Cygnus. About Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. (Cygnus) Cygnus is a transaction-driven company that processes sales and=20 payments for its customers' wholesale and retail channels. Working=20 primarily with customers in the leisure and entertainment industry,=20 the Company provides proprietary technologies that enable its=20 customers' eCommerce, ticket office, call center and kiosk sales. In=20 addition to online, point-of-sale and self-service solutions, Cygnus=20 also provides electronic ticket fulfillment via Cygnus' proprietary=20 print-at-home and kiosk technologies, admission control systems,=20 stored value cards and integrated payment processing. More=20 information is available at www.cygnus.com/pr ------ =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 Market Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 10:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13742 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 18:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 18:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 18:23:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:22:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:22:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:22:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Go-kart track gets green flag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-SCZBxEU1Yg45ejjEnKXZRFrakRB00KRVERIE6YTSUmMcq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 7, 2005 Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/nearwest/chi- 0512070233dec07,1,2627151.story by Lyn Niemann LOMBARD, IL -- The Village Board recently approved the expansion of=20 Enchanted Castle - an indoor amusement park - to make way for an indoor=20 go-kart track. The track will be in an adjacent space previously occupied by The=20 Baby's Room. Owner of Trails Entertainment Centers, Frank Sikora, will=20 expand upon the existing 47,000-sq-ft site in the Lombard Pines=20 shopping center. The cars will be double-seaters so a parent and a child can ride=20 together. Sikora expects the track to open this spring. ------- =A9 2005, Chicago Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 10:27:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81528 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 18:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 18:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 18:26:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:26:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:26:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:26:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Good Grief - MOA May Lose 'Camp Snoopy' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XXNo_npcYSSqinPSpd2GBUBCXXzg2Y5oamd1V_TEZRQdPOo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 7, 2005 WCCO-TV http://wcco.com/entertainment/local_story_341114422.html by Lisa Kiava Bloomington, MN -- The Mall of America may be losing America's most=20 beloved beagle as its theme park namesake. This March, MOA ended its contract with amusement park company Cedar=20 Fair. CF has a license to use Snoopy at several of its parks, and=20 that included the park at the Mall of America. MOA wants to keep the Snoopy and the rest of the Peanuts gang as=20 mascots, and Snoopy's status is now in negotiation. Vendors would be affected by the potential change, and at least one=20 of them has already been told to remove the Camp Snoopy logo from its=20 product. If there's a change, it could also affect how Bloomington, MN.=20 markets itself. Tourism and convention promoters hand out Snoopy toys=20 with the MOA logo on them. When asked if Snoopy was in jeopardy, mall spokesperson Julie Hansen=20 said she could not comment because of legal issues involved with Camp=20 Snoopy's future. Hansen did say mall management is in ongoing negotiations with United=20 Media, the company that licenses Peanuts to other companies. Peanuts merchandise is half off on MOA's Web site, and fans are=20 hoping that doesn't mean Snoopy is in the doghouse. Shoppers had a mixed reaction to the potential change. "I think=20 people will go to the mall whether Snoopy is there or anything else,"=20 shopper Gina Grover said. "I think it's a great thing to have at the mall," shopper Bev Marasco=20 said. "I took my niece there, and Snoopy is something people would=20 miss." Snoopy is a powerful pooch. He generates $1.2 billion in=20 merchandising worldwide each year, and "Peanuts" still appears in=20 2,400 newspapers. -------- =A9 MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 10:58:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42529 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 18:58:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:54:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme parks tout safety to lawmakers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Bj1WK2BgTLOuANF8CHB0eRsm4QeuTd_yqloNqFSQMB_SuNo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 07, 2005 The News-Press.com http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051207/NEWS01/512070466/1002/NEWS01 By Paul Flemming TALLAHASSEE, FL -=97 The methods and experience of the corporations=20 that run the biggest amusement parks in the state make them better=20 suited to police their own ride safety, a House committee heard=20 Tuesday. Amusement parks with more than 1,000 employees are exempt from state=20 inspection of rides since 1999 legislation created the exemption.=20 Those biggest attractions =97 Walt Disney World, Universal Studios=20 Orlando, SeaWorld Orlando, Busch Gardens and the Wet 'n Wild water=20 park =97 have an agreement with the state requiring self-inspection,=20 mishap reporting and an annual presentation on safety issues to state=20 officials. "We're going to see if this is a good thing. As the Tourism=20 Committee, we understand what a huge economic driver these parks=20 are," said Rep. Nancy Detert, a Venice Republican and chair of the=20 committee. Detert said 2 deaths on amusement park rides this year =97 both=20 involved children and were determined to be caused by existing heart=20 conditions =97 brought the issue to the fore. Presentations from executives of Universal, WDW and Busch spelled out=20 the design, maintenance and operational standards each follows. Though corporate rivals, safety is one area where cooperation=20 reigns. "We're competitors within the industry, but we're quick to=20 share what we learn about critical ride components or even vendors,"=20 said Joe Schott, director of park operations for WDW. The state, through its Bureau of Fair Rides, does inspect other rides. Izzy Rommes, assistant director of the Division of Standards in the=20 Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, said 15 inspectors=20 around the state perform about 10,000 ride inspections a year from=20 186 smaller amusement park rides to 220 traveling carnivals, from=20 water slides to go-kart tracks. "With 15 folks to cover the state ...=20 we don't have a lot of time to get these folks out for" operational=20 inspections, Rommes said. Smaller ride operators also must report accidents to the state. Last=20 year, there were 113 accidents reported from non-exempt ride=20 operators. For the big amusement parks, one committee member said she had first- hand experience. Rep. Sheri McInvale, an Orlando Democrat, worked at=20 WDW from 1972-74. "As a former Disney cast member, I was a tour=20 guide ... I know back then that safety was first and foremost in the=20 mind of a cast member." --------- Copyright 2005, The News-Press From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 11:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64219 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 19:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 19:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 19:01:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:59:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:59:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 18:59:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:59:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Pacific Park at the Santa Monica Pier to Launch Cygnus E-Ticketing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=GXZTttWu0Mc7oHP_gaOilJo2iHTX9oHeogQO-hyeUeuPxuTpEPhf X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > ORLANDO, FL -- Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. today announced it=20 > has signed a contract with Santa Monica Amusements to provide print=20 > at home ticketing technology and services for Pacific Park, the=20 west=20 > coast's only amusement park located on a pier. Now if only they had a roller coaster worth riding... Incidentally, I was in Las Vegas over the weekend and rode Desperado=20 at Buffalo Bill's and Speed: The Ride at the Sahara. Both are very=20 enjoyable rides. Desperado feels tremendously fast, gets some airtime=20 in a couple of spots, and has a good layout giving you a tour of the=20 property. And two tunnels. Speed is a step above the typical shuttle coaster. One reason is the=20 layout, which features several turns and wraps tightly around the=20 building. The other is that second acceleration--- it's fun to get=20 that extra boost. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 11:05:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65509 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 19:05:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 19:00:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 19:00:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:00:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sally Corp. working on ride for Hersheypark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RMnlzGux9qi1Ow3LBlosz7raXkLG8HfSC9mRatcbLoXQxrw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 7, 2005 The Business Journal of Jacksonville http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2005/12/05/daily18.htm l?from_rss=3D1 Hershey, PA -- Sally Corp. is working on a dark ride for The Hershey=20 Co. that is scheduled to open next year. Reese's Xtreme Cup Challenge will open in the spring at Hersheypark=20 in Hershey, PA. The ride is structured around a competition between=20 cars in which passengers shoot at targets with laser guns. 10 different extreme sports are represented in the ride, including=20 sky diving, mountain climbing and skateboarding. The track includes=20 changes in elevation, animated show elements, 158 targets and special=20 effects that include the scents of chocolate and peanut butter. "We know from experience that pre-teens and teens will really get=20 into it," said Sally CEO John Wood. "The thrill ride element is an=20 added surprise. Additionally, the visual and other sensory elements=20 are going to appeal to younger children as well. How many rides can=20 you go on that smell of chocolate and peanut butter?" Sally is a Jacksonville-based manufacturer of amusement park dark=20 rides that has built rides for attractions in North America, Europe,=20 Asia and the Middle East. ------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 11:07:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2521 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 19:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2005 19:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 19:07:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 19:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2005 19:07:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:07:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Canadian firm to install hi-tech rides at Al Areen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QP_W2C5mH48hxiIwl0MFQ-GqHCYhUOqE75-8lkQNCy5bLHA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 07/12/2005 Bahrain Tribune http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=3D117310 =20=20 Al Areen, Bahrain -- Al Areen development has announced that Canadian=20 waterpark equipment company, Whitewater West, will instal an array of=20 hi-tech rides at the $50 million Lost Paradise of Dilmun. A key component of the development, the attraction is based on a=20 distinct theme that ties in well with the overall objective of Al=20 Areen, that of enhancing the flow of leisure, family and health- oriented tourists to Bahrain. Engineer Waleed Saffy, GM of Al Areen Holding Company, said: "The=20 development has been conceived to raise Bahrain's reputation as the=20 most favoured tourist destination in the Middle East. Once complete,=20 it will redefine the essence of family and health tourism in the=20 region. He said: "The Lost Paradise of Dilmun is one of the most=20 distinguished offerings at Al Areen, aimed at catalysing the flow of=20 tourists into the Kingdom. To strengthen the waterpark's vital role=20 in the overall design of the development, we have tied up with the=20 world's largest and best-known supplier of waterpark equipment,=20 Whitewater West. "Al Areen will draw on the expertise of Whitewater West in the global=20 amusement-park industry. Equipment from the company are known for=20 durability, safety and high-quality service. We are pleased to=20 appoint them as a supplier for the Lost Paradise of Dilmun." Whitewater West will install an array of adventurous rides at the=20 park including Boomerango and Superbowl rides, high-thrill body=20 slides, an AquaPlay Rainfortress - an interactive water play=20 structure - a family raft ride, a tube-slide complex, a wave pool and=20 a kiddie-slide complex. --------- Copyright =A92000 MENAFN From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 02:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38862 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 10:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 10:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 10:48:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 10:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 10:47:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:47:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.50.248.83 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Two kids fall off ride at theme park, suffer serious injuries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=7Mf7DkNCpaDebX30CZ5jC3sFvAxjSRuxLfCyWntUXtLe8Cf5dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > December 2, 2005 > Channel News Aisa > Yahoo! News Singapore > http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051202/5/singapore181627.html >=20 >=20 > Pasir Ris, Singapore -- 2 girls fell while they were on an indoor=20 > roller-coaster ride at the Escape Theme Park at Pasir Ris on Friday. Of course! I attended this park the next frickin' day, and the ride=20 was obviously closed. I hate missed credits! I'll be home in Japan on=20 Saturday, and I'll do a proper TR for this park, Cosmo's World,=20 Starlight Express, Genting Highlands, First World Plaza, and probably=20 Sunway Lagoon (all in and around Kuala Lumpur, my present location)=20 when I get home. I also will be sending Duane at RCDB coaster photos,=20 and trying my hand at my first Photo TR at TPR.=20 Chris B (About 20 feet from Starlight Express!) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 03:00:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71856 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 11:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 11:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 11:00:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 10:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 10:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 10:59:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:59:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.50.248.83 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Canadian firm to install hi-tech rides at Al Areen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=wo0Kpj9J9pUgvfifQDzsYRP1i6o2PZ-97HRDR9pbQXRa0sKVdg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 07/12/2005 > Bahrain Tribune > http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=3D117310 >=20 >=20=20=20 > Al Areen, Bahrain -- Al Areen development has announced that Canadian=20 > waterpark equipment company, Whitewater West, will instal an array of=20 > hi-tech rides at the $50 million Lost Paradise of Dilmun. When I was living in Bahrain back in 2003, (Yeah, I know I get around!)=20 this place was in discussion already. It is said that it will be=20 situated near the southern tip of the island. This area is currently=20 isolated, uninhabited, and virtually a desert. The selling point is=20 that about 2010 or 2011, a causeway to Qatar will open nearby, and this=20 place will become a gold mine overnight. This is very similar to the=20 developments that sprung up near the northwest corner just before the=20 causeway to Saudi Arabia opened. Chris B Later this month: Guam! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 07:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82421 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 15:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 15:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 15:41:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:40:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:40:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Two kids fall off ride at theme park, suffer serious injuries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5owaDlcUGNjw-TuqQhIPhk-duQHv6QXvAWJkWfUZ-5sTX-A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, What would Duane/we do with out you ;) Keep up the excelent work! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 > wrote: > > Pasir Ris, Singapore -- 2 girls fell while they were on an indoor=20 > > roller-coaster ride at the Escape Theme Park at Pasir Ris on=20 Friday. > Of course! I attended this park the next frickin' day, and the ride=20 > was obviously closed. I hate missed credits! I'll be home in Japan=20 on=20 > Saturday, and I'll do a proper TR for this park, Cosmo's World,=20 > Starlight Express, Genting Highlands, First World Plaza, and=20 probably=20 > Sunway Lagoon (all in and around Kuala Lumpur, my present location)=20 > when I get home. I also will be sending Duane at RCDB coaster=20 photos,=20 > and trying my hand at my first Photo TR at TPR. > Chris B > (About 20 feet from Starlight Express!) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 07:46:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47841 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 15:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 15:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 15:46:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:46:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:46:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coney Island coaster gets thumbs down X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r0hCCBKeNEADL3tVIj0nzIAH0aEIk0iGKLjsMwWw-AVB7IU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 8 2005 Newsday THE ASSOCIATED PRESS The Stamford Advocate http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/newyork/nyc- nycoas084543967dec08,0,7347009.story?coll=3Dnyc-nynews-print Coney Island, NY -- A federal appeals court has rejected claims that=20 the city should pay $3 million to reconstruct the Thunderbolt Roller=20 Coaster, a dilapidated relic of Coney Island's golden era that was=20 dormant for 17 years until its demolition in 2000. Lawyers for a realty company and Coney Island Resorts Inc. had argued=20 that the city did not give them a chance to challenge the Nov. 17,=20 2000, demolition of the roller coaster and the Kensington Hotel in=20 Coney Island. A jury agreed, but a judge overturned the verdict,=20 saying it was not the city's fault that a notification letter went to=20 the wrong address. The Second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan upheld the=20 lower court ruling Monday and rejected the rest of the plaintiffs'=20 claims. In particular, the plaintiffs asked the appeals court to order the=20 city to pay $3.14 million so the 76-y.o. roller coaster could be=20 rebuilt. In rejecting the request, the appeals court noted that the=20 jury found that the roller coaster had no value. The demolition of the Thunderbolt roller coaster was carried out by=20 city work crews acting on a demolition order from the city's=20 Buildings Department. City officials ordered the removal of the roller coaster after=20 concluding it was in danger of collapse. Also razed was a 105-y.o.=20 house that sat beneath the coaster and was featured in the=20 movie "Annie Hall." The destruction of the Thunderbolt left Coney Island with a lone=20 roller coaster: the Cyclone, an official national landmark. City attorney Scott Shorr called the appeals ruling "another=20 vindication of the city's position that demolishing the=20 Thunderbolt ... caused the owner no harm." A message left with a lawyer for the plaintiffs was not immediately=20 returned. --------- Copyright =A9 2005, Newsday, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 07:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22023 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 15:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 15:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 15:51:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:50:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:50:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:50:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Roller-coaster rides not for the faint of heart X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sQOn4ohBfcsAdmVwbqZWk1q_DJ2P3Rs_8j7T9uBGU_DWDDk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 06, 2005 The Medical Post http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp? content=3D20051205_200422_5100 By Andrew Skelly DALLAS, TX -- German researchers are recommending that anyone age 14=20 years and older who's considering riding a roller-coaster should=20 first get a thorough checkup to rule out hidden heart disease. In a poster at the meeting, a team led by Dr. Jurgen Kuschyk, a=20 cardiologist at University Hospital in Mannheim, found the emotional=20 stress of the ride could produce heart rate increases comparable to=20 those seen with intense exercise and even provoke transient atrial=20 fibrillation in apparently healthy volunteers. "We strongly recommend that persons after a myocardial infarction or=20 with coronary artery disease don't do roller-coaster rides," Dr.=20 Kuschyk said in an interview. "And even more, we also recommend that=20 healthy people get a physical examination, including an ECG and, even=20 better, an echocardiographic study." He said the recommendation=20 applies to anyone 14 or older. The study involved 55 volunteers (37 male, 18 female) with a mean age=20 of 28 years (range 18 to 70) who underwent a physical examination.=20 Thirty participants had no previous roller-coaster experience. They=20 wore a 12-lead Holter ECG to record heart rates before, during and=20 after a two-minute ride on the Expedition GeForce in Hassloch,=20 Germany. The ride begins with a slow ascent to 62 m followed by a free-fall=20 period and 6-G changes in gravity over four seconds with a maximum=20 speed of 120 km/h. The highest heart rates occurred not during the periods of high G- forces but during the slow ascent, suggesting emotional rather than=20 physical stress was the key factor. The mean resting and maximum heart rates were 89 and 155 beats per=20 minute, respectively. 24 participants (44%) had marked sinus arrhythmias that persisted up=20 to five minutes after the ride, similar to what would commonly be=20 seen during and after vigorous exercise. One volunteer had a self-terminating episode of atrial fibrillation=20 and another had three beats of ventricular tachycardia. --------- =A9 Copyright 2003 The Medical Post From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 07:54:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41190 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 15:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 15:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 15:54:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:53:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 15:53:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:53:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jwd2gXZmc8gUmvBbIid8I3UX8D7Hknx5qMbiOKk9rIUthMo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 5, 2005 10News.com http://www.10news.com/news/5471904/detail.html?rss=3Dsand&psp=3Dnews SAN DIEGO, CA -- A man was fatally struck by a trolley Monday, 10News=20 reported. It happened around 2:45 p.m. at Hancock and Witherby in Mission Hills. San Diego police say the man, a transient, was walking on the coaster=20 tracks. The train was coming so he jumped onto the trolley tracks and=20 was fatally hit by a trolley car. Investigators are still looking into why he was on the tracks in the=20 first place. --------- Copyright 2004 by 10News.com =A9 2005, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 08:09:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10186 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 16:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 16:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 16:09:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A Fuji Park everyone could love? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VjhjW9dcy0dp1iSgL28CmXlLSGCU08yxxXgYRymClgabLPk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 8, 2005 The Nevada Appeal http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20051208/NEWS/112080068/-1/rss01 by Terri Harber Carson City, NV -- A group of more than a dozen community members=20 representing groups that use Carson City Fairgrounds/Fuji Park will=20 get the chance to say how they believe the area should be revamped. They met on Wednesday evening with the city and the developer of a=20 proposed Western-themed casino that will occupy the 3.1-acre site=20 Bodine's restaurant is vacating next month. Kevin Coleman of Net Development Co. and K&S Properties would like to=20 send any overflow casino parking to the fairgrounds/Fuji Park.=20 Coleman has pledged up to $1 million for the additional parking=20 spaces and to improve the fairgrounds. He apologized to the residents because he had spent the past year=20 quietly making plans with the city, angering people who use the=20 fairgrounds. He and city staff started off with the idea to spruce up=20 a section of the land near the highway, but eventually ended up=20 creating plans for the entire property. Coleman would have preferred to work out in the open much sooner, but=20 the nature of the deal required plans to be made behind closed doors=20 up until now, he also said. He doesn't need to create more parking for the city to OK the casino=20 plan, but he believes it would be a good thing to have. The most=20 important thing to him is ensuring that his casino has a functional,=20 good-looking facility next to it. This will benefit everyone, not=20 just the business, Coleman emphasized. "I have no desire to have your=20 park or ruin your parks. Like any capitalist, I want people to come=20 to eat from the park," he told the residents. "I'd like to see the=20 park at the level it should have been at years ago." Coleman was responsible for the Minden Village development and comes=20 to the area often. The fairgrounds and the surrounding area are "an=20 eyesore," said he and Roger Moellendoerf, director of the city Parks=20 and Recreation Department. Both also said that changes need to be made at the fairgrounds before=20 the city is sued if an accident causes someone to be badly injured or=20 even die. For example, animals often get loose and wander around the=20 grounds, sometimes making their way off the property and into the=20 streets and other areas bordering the fairgrounds. A group of residents who use the fairgrounds objected to the plan=20 presented during a meeting last month to the Parks and Recreation=20 Commission. Some of their concerns included where the developer wanted to have=20 customers leave their vehicles and that the arena would have been=20 placed in a less-than-optimal direction for spectators to view the=20 goings on. The commissioners didn't recommend the plan. This is why residents'=20 opinions are now being sought. Those at Wednesday's gathering=20 included representatives of 4-H, rodeo, canine and equestrian groups=20 based in the area. They offered an array of ideas and expect to have=20 even more as time goes on.=20 Construction of the 30,000-sq-ft casino is expected to begin during=20 the first quarter of 2006 and expected to take up to nine months and=20 $10 million to complete, according to previous reports. Coleman would like to see the fairgrounds overhauled within the next=20 18 months. "We've been screwed so many times. I think Kevin is=20 willing to work with the groups," said Jack Andersen of the Fuji Park=20 Users Coalition. "I think it's doable this time." The South Carson Street location near Old Clear Creek Road is=20 considered a prime location for 2 reasons: it is next to the Douglas=20 County line and offers one of the city's last unrestricted gaming=20 licenses. Coleman and Parks and Recreation Department staff will meet again at=20 5:30 p.m. on Jan. 4 at the Carson City Senior Citizens Center to=20 discuss ideas with park users. --------- =A9 Copyright 2005 nevadaappeal.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 08:16:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95473 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 16:16:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:16:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:15:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:15:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Soldier Helps Heal Afghan Girl's Heart X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ww-mIMqyFLvIA7VRhwBd_HeYqT0jPFtFp_fYQu3lAjJ-5dI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 8, 2005 News Channel 8 Tampa Bay Online http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBSY5HIYGE.html By LIISA HYVARINEN and BOB HITE ORLANDO, FL -- Running from one ride to the next in the winter=20 breeze, 6-y.o. Basira Jan's cheeks glowed from the exercise and=20 excitement of Walt Disney World - just like any other child visiting=20 the theme park. Just3 months ago, her frail frame and sunken, dark eyes revealed a=20 child with a bad heart growing up in the mountains of Afghanistan, a=20 nation ravaged by war, drought and internal strife for 25 years. Born=20 with a congenital heart defect, Basira could only sit and watch while=20 other children played. A Florida National Guard major's efforts changed everything, and for=20 that, Basira's father is grateful. "She's great, and I am 100% sure=20 she is very well now and, God willing, she will continue the rest of=20 her life back in Afghanistan," said Ghulam Ghaus, 46, Basira's=20 father, at WDW on Dec. 1. "When I go back to Afghanistan, I will tell=20 everybody what the U.S. Army did for me." Maj. Courtenay Callis, a Sarasota resident and member of a Florida=20 Guard unit based in Lakeland, met Ghaus soon after he deployed to=20 Camp Phoenix near Kabul in June. Basira accompanied her father to the camp to help him pick out=20 donated clothes for herself and her 8 siblings. "Before we could get=20 maybe 50 yards, her father would need to carry her because she'd be=20 out of breath. She'd turn blue from the lack of oxygen," said Callis,=20 who has a 10-y.o. son. Military doctors found the heart defect and did not expect her to=20 survive past her 10th birthday without surgery. 2 Indiana National Guard units, stationed at Camp Phoenix before the=20 Florida Guard came, took Basira's case to Riley Hospital for Children=20 in Indianapolis. Hospital workers and Central Indiana Rotary's Gift=20 of Life program, which brings children from developing countries to=20 the U.S. for heart surgery, joined the effort. Callis arranged passports, visas and airplane tickets for Basira and=20 her father. Callis said the surgery went well, but Basira got pneumonia and then=20 a virus, which led the doctors to postpone her return to Afghanistan. She wasn't bored while she recuperated. Florida troops collected=20 enough money for a vacation for Basira, her father and her=20 interpreter when she was strong enough to travel. Callis got leave to come home the Sunday after Thanksgiving, one day=20 before Basira landed in Orlando. Callis had an emotional meeting with Basira after the surgery. "When=20 I first approached her, she came right up to me and gave me a big old=20 hug and squeezed my neck," he said. Basira and her father flew back to Afghanistan on Monday. Callis=20 leaves for Kabul on Tuesday to return to his job at the Commander's=20 Emergency Response Program, which identifies immediate needs for=20 Afghan nationals like Basira. He faces a new challenge - finding a Florida hospital to help with=20 the donated surgeries for other children. "We're hoping someone here=20 in the Tampa Bay area will step up." WANT TO HELP?=20 To help Afghan children, send donations to:=20 Afghanistan Children's Relief Fund care of Sgt. 1st Class Thomas Blasko 2-116 Field Artillery 4140 Drane Field Road Lakeland FL 33811 --------- =A92005, Media General Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 08:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40120 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 16:23:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:22:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:22:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Aesop=92s_Village_opens_at_Everland_in_Korea?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ek01agN5DrEv3IXItIqKz8ClcCTv1LCKT8MvU9nbpcR_Vbo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08 Dec 2005 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D13221 Yongin-si, Gyeonggi-do, SK -- South Korean theme park Samsung=20 Everland has opened a new zone called Aesop's Village. Themed around the stories of Aesop's fables, the 14,000sq m=20 (150,000sq ft) interactive and edutainment area includes rides,=20 shops, an exhibition regarding the history of Aesop's fables and the=20 opportunity for children to meet the characters from the stories. The zone is split into 2 areas, Town and Country. Guests enter Aesop's Village through the Town section, with=20 restaurants, shops, the Wisdom Fountain and a plaza. In the country section, they can visit Grandpa Aesop's house and=20 experience life in a small European town in the 17th century. The attractions include the Lion and the Mouse mini drop tower, the=20 Ant and the Grasshopper ball house and the Tortoise and the Hare=20 racing coaster. Development work on the new zone began in June 2002 with initial=20 concept planning by Canada-based company Forrec. Chang Haing Cho, executive VP of Everland Resort Division, said the=20 village was dedicated to Everland's core customers, families and=20 children. The Aesop's Village zone was opened ahead of Samsung Everland's 30th=20 anniversary in 2006. The Everland park, located just south of Seoul, also includes a=20 safari zoo, a winter park experience, an indoor and outdoor waterpark=20 and a multimedia show. Details: www.everland.com --------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Dec 08 08:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81037 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 16:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 16:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 16:42:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:41:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 16:41:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:41:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qh5wKK5iF4bRKP6w03GvJLvMk-CW-bpZDsEE3dlgT1UT70g X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > SAN DIEGO, CA --=20 > San Diego police say the man, a transient, was walking on the coaster=20 > tracks. The train was coming so he jumped onto the trolley tracks and=20 > was fatally hit by a trolley car. For those wondering what coaster this is, it's actually a commuter train that runs in the San Diego area. It's called the Coaster because it runs along the coastal areas. So while tracked vehicles were involved, it wasn't a roller coaster.=20 Just a guy walking along train tracks and not getting out of the way- unfortunately an all to common happening. keep on ridin' George From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 10:09:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72380 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 18:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 18:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 18:09:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 18:08:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:08:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.178.135 From: "Matt" Subject: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=QliApqXXLz9C03CfieVuWA8dCIowU4D67xQKL_dTsBWndjZUPKFcGW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I am going to Disney in February and would like to get some opinions on=20 whether I should take my 3 year old daughter to Sea World or Universal=20 Studios. I'm thinking Sea World at this point but am not 100 percent=20 set on that. Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be=20 a good park to take my daughter?? From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Dec 08 10:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33260 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 18:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 18:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 18:30:31 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00300892@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley thread-index: AcX8D8m4kEFdwLxXRACw7jVqxJ82XgAFT33g To: X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=Iflf7HyH0581E-GRG_rTLupPGFsnw9ZKw1dzEi4CBhogdeA80Q X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > SAN DIEGO, CA -- A man was fatally struck by a trolley Monday, 10News > reported. > > It happened around 2:45 p.m. at Hancock and Witherby in Mission Hills. > > San Diego police say the man, a transient, was walking on the coaster > tracks. The train was coming so he jumped onto the trolley tracks and > was fatally hit by a trolley car. Can someone explain this? What intersection is this that has coaster tracks adjacent to trolley tracks, and where people can just walk on them? What does this site really look like? Is it in a park? What coaster is this? Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From voicerodeo@gmail.com Thu Dec 08 10:49:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15500 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 18:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 18:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 18:49:02 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so985761wra for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.12 with SMTP id h12mr3043420qbm; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:49:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from LewisMobile ( [70.183.97.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q13sm1477104qbq.2005.12.08.10.49.01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:49:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000a01c5fc28$09f85c10$6500a8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00300892@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:48:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=LPx7Yjpiub_rDK_MNSh_-Cc5iQ0q42fAscKcMqar78KbemMYng X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo gotta love news reports when your system just scans for the word "coaster". the "COASTER" is our commuter rail train that runs from downtown San Diego to Oceanside. In downtown, you have two sets of train tracks... one set has the Coaster, Amtrak and Freight Trains... the other has the Trolley which is our local version of an above ground subway system. So basically he jumped from one railroad track to the other railroad track... avoiding getting hit by one train (in this case the San Diego Coaster).. and getting hit from the other direction by a different train (the San Diego Trolley). No actual ROLLER COASTERS were harmed or involved in this accident. Lewis Sanders San Diego Train and Roller Coaster nut. PS.. Hi Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Zucker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley >> SAN DIEGO, CA -- A man was fatally struck by a trolley Monday, 10News >> reported. >> >> It happened around 2:45 p.m. at Hancock and Witherby in Mission Hills. >> >> San Diego police say the man, a transient, was walking on the coaster >> tracks. The train was coming so he jumped onto the trolley tracks and >> was fatally hit by a trolley car. > > Can someone explain this? What intersection is this that has > coaster tracks adjacent to trolley tracks, and where people can just > walk on them? > > What does this site really look like? Is it in a park? What > coaster is this? > > Jon > ______________________________ > > This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended > recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. > Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 14:34:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49678 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 22:33:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 22:33:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 22:33:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:33:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8aR8mpqL0IoT2V5owZvKtULpc31vkZidd0CUCbBE57Zkdw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: >SNIP< > Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be=20 > a good park to take my daughter?? > Do you mean Bonfante Garden's? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 08 14:37:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40807 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 22:37:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 22:36:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2005 22:36:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c5fc28$09f85c10$6500a8c0@LewisMobile> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally Hit By Trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zkNEPyGDGuQtYOjKq0ICtqBOBf1FwuOqsjhgYndl2maA6Js X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Thank-you both, George & Lewis. I knew it sounded strange, but then I don't live there, so... -Alan P.S. Hi back at ya Lewis --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "VoiceRodeo Gmail"=20 wrote: > gotta love news reports when your system just scans for the=20 word "coaster". > the "COASTER" is our commuter rail train that runs from downtown=20 San Diego=20 > to Oceanside. In downtown, you have two sets of train tracks...=20 one set=20 > has the Coaster, Amtrak and Freight Trains... the other has the=20 Trolley=20 > which is our local version of an above ground subway system. > So basically he jumped from one railroad track to the other=20 railroad=20 > track... avoiding getting hit by one train (in this case the San=20 Diego=20 > Coaster).. and getting hit from the other direction by a different=20 train=20 > (the San Diego Trolley). > No actual ROLLER COASTERS were harmed or involved in this accident. >=20 > Lewis Sanders > San Diego Train and Roller Coaster nut. >=20 > PS.. Hi Alan. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jon Zucker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:29 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Man Dodges Coaster, Fatally=20 Hit By=20 > Trolley > >> SAN DIEGO, CA -- A man was fatally struck by a trolley Monday,=20 10News > >> reported. > >> It happened around 2:45 p.m. at Hancock and Witherby in Mission=20 Hills. > >> San Diego police say the man, a transient, was walking on the=20 coaster > >> tracks. The train was coming so he jumped onto the trolley=20 tracks and > >> was fatally hit by a trolley car. > > Can someone explain this? What intersection is this that has > > coaster tracks adjacent to trolley tracks, and where people can=20 just > > walk on them? > > What does this site really look like? Is it in a park? What > > coaster is this? > > Jon From voicerodeo@gmail.com Thu Dec 08 14:44:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92477 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 22:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 22:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 22:44:37 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so753849nzk for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.210.7 with SMTP id i7mr3313781qbg; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from LewisMobile ( [70.183.97.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o32sm665089qbe.2005.12.08.14.43.23; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d001c5fc48$cba06ae0$6500a8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=KwL2TfwQ2vUak91WQwn7xFtsYn--oKT9ATaBG7QXdFHYh9ipcA X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo no Alan.. he meant Cypress Gardens.. in central Florida.. he was talking about a trip to Orlando.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney trip > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" > wrote: >>SNIP< >> Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be >> a good park to take my daughter?? >> > > Do you mean Bonfante Garden's? > -Alan > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Dec 08 14:48:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31695 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 22:48:09 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 18so758926nzp for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.250.3 with SMTP id c3mr3338072qbs; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:47:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30512081447v1c6e1827j730095ed79ab12b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:47:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=btQk6uY-waj8zSezuNmzroraaKrMatkkdf1Lc8CTJ6yn0AKl X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I know you're very west-coast centric, Alan, but I believe he plans to travel to Florida, not California.... Although, admittedly, the Cypress Gardens question was the only thing in that post that distinguishes the state based on the other parks listed.. On 12/8/05, Alan wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" > wrote: > >SNIP< > > Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be > > a good park to take my daughter?? > > > > Do you mean Bonfante Garden's? > -Alan > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From lance@screamscape.com Thu Dec 08 22:47:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37071 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 06:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 06:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 06:47:27 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jB96lEVq000165 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 01:47:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <07ea01c5fc8c$68fe1470$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 01:47:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=edN2UVAkomyHwV0-xnEpCVKEzg3AYU-1leNoLRbS_RQB2SbuYx9Si3A-dA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance SeaWorld may be the best bet. There isn't a ton of things for the smaller kids to do at Universal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip >I am going to Disney in February and would like to get some opinions on > whether I should take my 3 year old daughter to Sea World or Universal > Studios. I'm thinking Sea World at this point but am not 100 percent > set on that. Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be > a good park to take my daughter?? > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 03:57:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5573 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 11:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 11:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 11:57:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 11:55:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 11:55:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:55:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 211.24.188.94 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Two kids fall off ride at theme park, suffer serious injuries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=EMxN9FrfsF2Acfy9qgOFXlD--g8UP688POEMlizQtAhHpMfgkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > Chris, > What would Duane/we do with out you ;) > Keep up the excelent work! >=20 > -Alan Well, Duane would be missing quite a few pics on his database! (I'm the=20 8th or 9th most prolific photo contributor to RCDB, and darn proud of it!) As for all you guys? Dunno, I can't seriously belive anyone could ever=20 live vicariously thought me!=20 I did get to Sunway Lagoon, as well as all the other parks, so I'll likely= =20 do a multi-part TR. I've got a flight to catch (I'm at Kuala Lumpur=20 International Airport) and I'm starving! (Coincidentally the airport BK has= =20 internet! Weird.) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 03:58:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49387 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 11:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 11:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 11:58:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 11:57:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 11:57:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:57:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 211.24.188.94 From: "Chris" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Aesop=92s_Village_opens_at_Everland_in_Korea?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=QU72-Bbfk_8lagV-3pSNi_ZD494L4sf1EP8EByfLdvSBa14dsA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > 08 Dec 2005 > World Leisure News & Jobs > http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D13221 >=20 >=20 > Yongin-si, Gyeonggi-do, SK -- South Korean theme park Samsung=20 > Everland has opened a new zone called Aesop's Village. Hoping to visit this park next spring! Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 08:25:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99886 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 16:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 16:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 16:25:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:24:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:24:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30512081447v1c6e1827j730095ed79ab12b3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rh4hMV2uR5kJX0y3k7WyV7iKoir3NzD9cffr0xjyEfhLjDI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Thanks All. East Coast, West Coast... when you live in the desert all water begins=20 to look alike. Besides, both sided of the U.S. look simular. California has the Baja, and Georgia has Florida ;P -Alan (Who is not blond for NO reason) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson=20 wrote: > I know you're very west-coast centric, Alan, but I believe he plans to > travel to Florida, not California.... Although, admittedly, the > Cypress Gardens question was the only thing in that post that > distinguishes the state based on the other parks listed.. > On 12/8/05, Alan wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt"=20 > > wrote: > > >SNIP< > > > Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be > > > a good park to take my daughter?? > > Do you mean Bonfante Garden's? > > -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 08:39:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36566 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 16:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 16:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 16:39:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:39:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:39:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Despite Cypress Gardens' Success, the Telling Period Is Coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qwDN_fWe-mHoTbjrxMpIKTxA1QtyQX-nReqyQh2_RPly0Sk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 9, 2005 St. Petersburg Times The Ledger http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051209/NEWS/512090324/1001/RSS02&source=3DRSS By MARK ALBRIGHT Cypress Gardens, FL -- After a 42-year run on Panama City Beach, the=20 Starliner roller coaster sits stacked in numbered pieces on a back=20 lot here. Cypress Gardens Adventure Park owner Kent Buescher forked over=20 $100,000 for the wooden coaster, spent $200,000 more to have it taken=20 apart and is prepared to fork out $1.5 million more to have it=20 rebuilt as his park's new lure in 2007. "We're Florida's oldest theme=20 park, so having Florida's oldest wooden coaster is a natural," said=20 the folksy Georgia entrepreneur who has become the toast of Polk=20 County for bringing historic CG back from the dead. "This park was=20 static for years. We can't afford to let that happen." Buescher surprised the skeptics when CG reported its attendance will=20 hit 1.4 million when its reinauguration year ends next month. That's=20 almost twice his original plan for 750,000 and enough to produce a "7- figure" operating profit, if you don't count any return on the $50=20 million Buescher and investors put up to get this far. But there's no looking back for Buescher, 50, whose award plaques as=20 Chamber of Commerce and Polk County tourist industry executive of the=20 year sit unhung on the floor of his Spartan office. "We weren't=20 supposed to crack 1.5 million until the 5th year and without the=20 hurricanes this fall we would have gotten there in the 1st year," he=20 said. "It's a blessing. But this has been a lot more difficult than I=20 ever thought it would be. We still face some enormous challenges." Indeed, now comes the hard part. Most of CG's attendance came from=20 300,000 season pass holders who needed only to show up 3 times for=20 one of the park's 50 weekly concert events to account for more than=20 half the park's annual visitors. About 80% of the first year crowd=20 was residents who live within an hour's drive. That means the park=20 attracted only half as many bigger-spending tourists as Buescher=20 hopes to draw. Giving people a reason to come back over and over is the lifeblood of=20 any successful theme park, but it's even more critical for a park=20 that relies on locals for more than half of its business. "He's=20 obviously a good businessman, but the telling period will be the 2nd=20 and 3rd year," said Bill Coan, an Orlando theme park=20 consultant. "That will tell if he has a business." Indeed, Buescher, who also owns the Wild Adventures regional=20 amusement park in Valdosta, Ga., is following 4 ownership groups -=20 including Anheuser-Busch Cos. - that eventually gave up trying to=20 keep CG going. It has been a struggle ever since founder Dick Pope=20 passed the torch to his vintage 1936 creation of Southern belles in=20 hoop skirts, water ski shows and Esther Williams films, before Walt=20 Disney World and I-4 dramatically changed the dynamics of the Central=20 Florida tourist corridor in 1971. Those changes left CG a dated and off-the-beaten-path attraction,=20 lost in the shadows of multibillion-dollar theme parks backed by huge=20 media conglomerates 25 miles away in Orlando. State and local governments mounted a $14.5 million rescue effort to=20 buy the 30-acre botanical garden and lease it to Buescher, who bought=20 the rest of the 150-acre layout for $7 million. By the time Buescher=20 reopened and remodeled the place in late 2004, the park had been=20 closed for 19 months. Buescher's solution to bring in a younger crowd and more families was=20 to add 39 carnival rides and a couple of small coasters to what had=20 been a lush pastoral setting most popular among seniors. He value-priced CG as a family alternative that charges a 1/3 less=20 than the big Orlando parks. Then he threw in at no extra charge a=20 water park and a series of 50 concerts by 2nd- and 3rd-tier=20 entertainers in an amphitheater that holds 10,000. He priced an=20 annual pass at $64.95, less than the cost of 2 days' admission. It's=20 the only Florida theme park that boasts an all-you- can-eat=20 buffet. "They really did a nice job, and it's very reasonably=20 priced," said visitor Dorothy Millsaps, a Tennessee retiree who=20 winters in nearby Dundee, on her 5th visit of the year. "I can't wait=20 to see Wayne Newton come here, but I missed B.J. Thomas." The few vacationers who ventured over from Orlando still are unsure=20 what to make of it. "It's very nice and well presented," said Ron=20 Muffett, a British pub owner who discovered CG in a hotel rack=20 brochure on his family's third Florida vacation. "But frankly, we thought it was going to be on a grander scale,"=20 piped in his wife, Sharon. "We loved there were no lines, but the=20 kids didn't see the wow factor." Buescher also brought back the fabled water ski show and its=20 trademark 4-high pyramid that vanished when the park's previous=20 owners abandoned the place in 2003, putting the 40 skiers and 600=20 other CG employees out of work. "We thought that was it. CG would=20 never reopen," said Don Buffa, producer of the new show and a 19-year=20 veteran of the team. "It's been a miracle how the park's come back." Fortunately, water skiing is a 2nd income for most of the ski team,=20 including Buffa, a St. Petersburg cabinetmaker, and his wife, Linda,=20 whose day job is operating room nurse at Bayfront Medical Center.=20 Other skiers fell back on their day jobs working in a mortuary,=20 flying commercial jets or waiting on tables at Outback Steakhouse.=20 Many are 2nd-generation CG skiers working their way through school at=20 a job that starts at $12 an hour. FUTURE PLANS For the 2nd year - and CG's 70th - Buescher is not easing off the gas. He is pouring millions into improvements that include a new water ski=20 show, a dinner cruise boat and a return of the fabled botanical=20 garden boat tour in February. He doubled the entertainment budget to=20 $7 million and is promoting a longer list of events including flower=20 shows, Halloween haunted houses, and a daily parade and nightly=20 fireworks in the summer. Because he outfitted all of CG for less than what the biggest parks=20 pay for a signature ride, Buescher is working the economics of=20 running a smaller regional amusement park. That has left him trying=20 to increase per-visitor spending inside the park because he is so=20 reliant on season pass holders. While the annual pass and the $7 parking charge remain unchanged in=20 2006, the daily admission was bumped up by $1 to $39.95. CG will=20 begin serving beer and wine in selected settings. Food offerings will=20 move closer to where guests cannot ignore them. Food vendors will=20 appear in midway kiosks, and waiters will cruise the aisles at=20 concerts. "One drawback with locals is they eat at home, so we'll try=20 selling food and drinks at concerts like you see at a baseball game,"=20 Buescher said. The concert series also is being shaped by a year's experience with=20 Florida audiences. Country acts - both modern & classic - remain the=20 backbone of the schedule. But many groups from the '50s & '60s,=20 including Percy Sledge, Frankie Avalon and the Temptations have been=20 booked after the Drifters, Coasters and Platters drew more than=20 12,000. Artists such as Hootie & the Blowfish and Pat Benatar,=20 however, drew poorly. So CG will try a Radio Disney show with B5 and=20 Everlife. There will be no more new rides in 2006. So much of the park's full=20 collection was delayed by cost overruns and hurricane damage in 2004=20 that it did not get a full year's exposure. HURRICANE LOSSES The eye of Hurricane Charley ripped through the park just a few=20 months before the scheduled opening, laying waste preparations for=20 what was supposed to be a September opening. More than 300 trees were=20 felled. High winds left the botanical gardens a leafless, denuded=20 tangle of brush, limbs and ripped-up sidewalks. Tornado-speed winds=20 peeled the roof off the ice show theater, and other structural=20 failures left building interiors a soggy mess, some of which is still=20 being dried out. No sooner was repair work started than hurricanes=20 Frances and Jeanne swept through. "We had a lot of the park ready to open, then had to start all over,=20 twice," said Buescher, whose partners needed to borrow an additional=20 $30-million to recover. Some attractions did open, but months after=20 scheduled. The water park, for instance, was supposed to open=20 Memorial Day but missed the entire summer vacation season and didn't=20 open until the school year resumed. Hurricanes caused the water level=20 in Lake Eloise to rise so high that the electric boats on the=20 botanical cruise could not get under the garden's pedestrian bridges. Worse, Buescher is now in a fight with Landmark American Insurance=20 Co. over what exactly was covered for hurricane damage. Buescher says=20 he is owed $23 million. If he wins nothing in federal court, Buescher=20 concedes he may lose controlling interest in the park. "It's a mess,"=20 he said. But he still marvels at how many longtime Winter Haven residents stop=20 him in the park to regale him with memories of how the park is=20 interwoven in their lives. "I've had more thank-you hugs than I ever=20 imagined, like the widow who talked about how she came here as a=20 child, right after she got married and how her late husband would=20 have really loved to have seen the place now," he said. "It's been=20 very humbling. Those rewards aren't measured in dollars." -------- Copyright 2005 The Ledger From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 08:48:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99514 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 16:48:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:48:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:48:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Carowinds_=91mayor=92_really_is_home_for_the_holidays?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8ChZeqz2WjJyiYLFPOL_8hPwL-3pxzBmtklldz3tGwcBjjs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 09, 2005=20 The State http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/entertainment/13360775.htm By WILLIESHA C. LAKIN Charlotte, NC -- Imagine growing up going to your favorite amusement=20 park, wishing that you could be there every day. Chastain Criswell gets to live this dream at Paramount's=20 Carowinds. "It's my home park," Criswell said. "I enjoyed it all my=20 life." So, he figured he'd work there. This year, he's serving as Mayor=20 Dinkleton P. Mullrimple of Winterfest, Carowinds' newest attraction. Criswell grew up in Gastonia, about 25 miles northwest of the theme=20 park. "Please put that in bold," he said. "I'm proud of it." He's been working at the park about 4 years. One of his roles was the=20 DJ at the Happy Days diner. Now, he gets to preside over an entire=20 make-believe town. "I open the night's events every night with what=20 they call the `grandtastic tree-lighting ceremony,'" said Criswell,=20 who also is a professional magician. "I light the tree and I also=20 light the whole park." Criswell makes something of a magical transformation himself as the=20 mayor. It takes about an hour to put on his costume, which weighs=20 about 50 lbs. "I think the coat itself weighs about 30 lbs. which,=20 for a coat, is ridiculous," Criswell said, a hint of humor in his=20 voice. He also dons a wig with built-in sideburns, a mustache, shoes, pants=20 with suspenders and a button-down shirt. He also puts on a vest that=20 is actually wired with lights. "I keep getting compared to the (mayor=20 of Munchkin City) character from the `The Wizard of Oz,'" he said.=20 But when he gets into character, "I just think of a frazzled old man." He spends the evening greeting visitors to "make sure people's=20 holiday spirits are up" and enjoys the attractions himself. One of=20 his favorites is the "Home for the Holidays" parade. "The parade's=20 spectacular," he said. "I mean, it's a huge parade." He also=20 enjoys "Santa's Toy Factory," a musical set in the North Pole. "All in all, the whole park is a blast," he said. "I mean, I'm=20 working there, but I also get to walk around and see everything." ---------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 08:54:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3606 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 16:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 16:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 16:54:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 16:52:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:52:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Widow suing ride maker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R0sOrh46UJFny8uLrrvoST3A8QdrFnIWhp2dj1Sm6J8eMzc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/08/05 The Times-Beacon http://www.timesbeacon.com/story/0,21731,1417543,00.html By DON BENNETT TOMS RIVER, NJ -- The widow of a 22-y.o. man killed while=20 investigating reports of static electric shocks to patrons on an=20 amusement ride on the Seaside Park boardwalk in July is suing the=20 maker of the ride. Kelly A. Carpenter of Lanoka Harbor is the administrator of her late=20 husband, Charles' estate. She is suing Wisdom Rides and a number of still to be identified=20 companies and individuals over the July 2 mishap that killed him as=20 he looked for sources of electric shocks on the The Arctic Circle=20 Ride on the Funtown Pier. Police said riders complained of receiving shocks while on the ride=20 shortly before midnight on July 2. Carpenter, who had worked at the Funtown Pier for about 3 months, was=20 called by the ride's operator to investigate the source of the shocks. Police believe he suffered a fatal shock during that investigation. When they got to the pier, they found him unconscious and began=20 efforts to revive him. Those unsuccessful efforts were continued by=20 members of the Tri-Boro First Aid Squad and MONOC. According to the suit, he suffered severe injuries that caused his=20 death due to a defect in the construction, design or assembly of the=20 ride. Her attorney, Michael P. Cahill of Main Street, claims the defendants=20 failed to warn her husband of the dangerous conditions of the ride=20 and were careless and negligent, resulting in his wrongful death. She is seeking compensation for his death and her loss of his=20 comfort, counsel, companionship and support. ----------- Copyright =A9 1997-2005 IN Jersey From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 09:02:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84491 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 17:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 17:02:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 17:00:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 17:00:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:00:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Waterpark to open by Niagara Falls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=D4uloRdwnM3cVKw98bWPlTdE5YQauZBSHxlnsuklxlAdlBs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08 Dec 2005 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D13245 Niagara Falls, Ontario, CA -- The Sheraton on the Falls hotel at=20 Niagara Falls in Ontario, Canada is to open one of North America's=20 largest =96 at 500,000sq ft =96 family attractions, including a 90,000sq=20 ft indoor waterpark. Opening in March 2006, the waterpark will feature 15 slides, a=20 surfing-themed AquaPlay area called Calypso Beach, severak swimming=20 pools and a wave pool. It will also boast floor to celing windows giving views over Niagara=20 Falls. Being built on top of a 6-storey parking garage for the hotel and=20 adjacent casino, the attraction will also include the Marvel=20 Superhero amusement park; a 7,000sq ft Hershey chocolate store; an=20 iWerks 4D Adventure Theatre; an MGM Studios Plaza with the Pink=20 Panther Balloon Ride and MGM Great Movie Journey; a 200ft PileDriver=20 drop ride and a selection of food outlets including Rainforest Caf=E9,=20 Planet Hollywood and Hard Rock Caf=E9. -------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 13:02:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54803 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2005 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2005 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2005 21:02:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2005 21:00:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:00:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.178.135 From: "Matt" Subject: Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=GGQRSbvceYrMcIHFvZ0KZ5ZC91QhUfW-ASbTURqCiJWfoM4-HV1V55g X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Sorry about that, being from Ohio I guess I didn't know there were two=20 Universal Studios!! My bad....anyway has anyone ever been to Cypress=20 Gardens and if so is it worth a trip with a 3 year old? I will be in=20 Orland for 5 days and we're going to Disney a day and Seaworld a day so=20 I'm not sure it would be worth it to go unless it's a decent park. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Dec 09 18:25:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17063 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2005 02:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2005 02:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2005 02:25:11 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkuQ1-0005PL-Ix for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: <439A3C82.1060800@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:25:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788fd9d002e1cecb04bb66a58a75fd9fa404d894da721c6762350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=dKRe0mS_5NOc4Xvulz4kDiqhPc6sVqqvCu4i4JQJ8Ztq5ps X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Matt wrote: > I am going to Disney in February and would like to get some opinions on > whether I should take my 3 year old daughter to Sea World or Universal > Studios. I'm thinking Sea World at this point but am not 100 percent > set on that. Also has anyone been to Cypress Gardens and would that be > a good park to take my daughter?? > Sea World would easily be the best for her. No contest at all in my book. While there are a couple of things for litte ones at Universal, there's very little that she wouldn't be able to do at Sea World. And what kid doesn't like watching and being up close to animals? Cypress Gardens is a wonderful little park. I recently put up our trip report about the park. There is a good number of kiddie rides and lots of gardens for her to run around in. I wouldn't take it over Sea World, but I would over Universal for a 3 year old. Brian's (AFLAC!) son is pretty close to that age, (mine are a bit older) and he can probably give you a good idea how much William liked the park. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Dec 09 18:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56994 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2005 02:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2005 02:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2005 02:45:57 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkukH-0006A8-5m for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: <439A4169.5040409@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:46:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788fd9d002e1cecb04387b6b5b7c88e4ecaf047d823202eb8e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=-ipo16WZR7XkNZtvrh4mcy_4gP__6wVCoVoSLE0oKdqv3So X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Matt wrote: > Sorry about that, being from Ohio I guess I didn't know there were two > Universal Studios!! My bad....anyway has anyone ever been to Cypress > Gardens and if so is it worth a trip with a 3 year old? I will be in > Orland for 5 days and we're going to Disney a day and Seaworld a day so > I'm not sure it would be worth it to go unless it's a decent park. > You're only planning one day at Disney World? Keep in mind that there are 4 major parks there, and all of them are easily worth a full day's visit. You might want to look at getting 3 or 4 day passes to Disney, which will come out cheaper per day than visiting other parks, and give you more than enough to do each day. Remember, Disneyworld is not just Magic Kindgom. It's also Epcot, MGM Studios, and Animal Kingdom, all of which are full parks. Not to mention Downtown Disney and the hotel resorts. Heck, we've found it to be a full day of entertainment just seeing Downtown Disney and hopping the shuttle busses and monorails to all the hotels. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Dec 09 20:25:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24435 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2005 04:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2005 04:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2005 04:25:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jBA4PWVq005725 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:25:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012a01c5fd41$c81de0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <439A4169.5040409@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:25:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=J8U-Pb__T4s5pST6p6iKStyJ1tLYHrcS6q37S2SeqEIlLDbZvs_DLXW5SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Remember, Disneyworld is not just Magic Kindgom. It's also Epcot, MGM > Studios, and Animal Kingdom, all of which are full parks. I don't know about that... Animal Kingdom is hardly a full day park... on a good day you can see most everything in 3-4 hours. I still don't even consider the MGM Studios to be a full day park either... 3/4th a day if you've never been there before but you end up staying the whole day if you want to see Fantasmic. Though the addition of the great new car stunt show makes that park's offerings pretty damn good right now. If only they would add a couple more major rides... Funny enough... I used to think you needed damn close to two days to see Epcot when I first started to visit WDW in 1990s... but somehow all that time that you used to spend to see everything in Future World is no longer needed as they've removed most of the really long dark rides - World of Motion, Horizons, and cut back Imagination by quite a bit, and even the Sea Cabs are gone, but that really only took about 4 minutes to travel though. Oh yes... and the Wonders of Life pavilion is closed 99% of the year too. Now with a couple of fast passes to cut the line for Test Track to nothing, and there never is much of a wait for Mission: Space, you can see most of future world in about 3 hours if you skip Universe of Energy... otherwise add another 45 minutes for that one. George... what's your feeling now on the Magic Kingdom now that you've moved from California and away from Disneyland? Myself... I used to be able to spend the entire day at Disenyland and never get bored since there seemed to be so much more there to do, which made it impossible to do EVERYTHING all in one day, even if you tried. (It is very hard to do EVERYTHING in Disneyland in a day, assuming most of the attractions are open). Now I go to the Magic Kingdom, and I find that I can do just about everything and still have time left in the day. (Well... not everything... the lines in Fantasyland for Pooh, Peter Pan and Dumbo are always so bad that we end up skipping them unless we get lucky and grab a fast pass at some point). From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 12:44:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68892 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2005 20:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2005 20:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2005 20:44:19 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElBZW-0007jJ-GN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:43:58 -0500 Message-ID: <439B3E13.3070503@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:44:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <439A4169.5040409@earthlink.net> <012a01c5fd41$c81de0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> In-Reply-To: <012a01c5fd41$c81de0b0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788fd9d002e1cecb040f014c3e67b956518cc321138c1a2185350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4HsOfiXVadwxeE3PnvGaXOR42PNq4QJib5MkXakSiJ6WEOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance Hart wrote: > George... what's your feeling now on the Magic Kingdom now that you've > moved > from California and away from Disneyland? Myself... I used to be able to > spend the entire day at Disenyland and never get bored since there > seemed to > be so much more there to do, which made it impossible to do EVERYTHING all > in one day, even if you tried. (It is very hard to do EVERYTHING in > Disneyland in a day, assuming most of the attractions are open). Now I > go to > the Magic Kingdom, and I find that I can do just about everything and still > have time left in the day. (Well... not everything... the lines in > Fantasyland for Pooh, Peter Pan and Dumbo are always so bad that we end up > skipping them unless we get lucky and grab a fast pass at some point). Honestly, I wish I could say, but I'm not able to yet. Still haven't been able to justify the huge amount of money that we would spend on tickets there in light of the prices that we pay for the annual passes to Universal, Busch/ Sea World, and Cypress Gardens. For a local, the passes to all three of those cost less combined than it would cost for equivalent pass to just Disney. So we haven't done that yet. Though we are dropping the Universal passes this year, and if we can save the money we might finally actually get into the parks in WDW at some point. So far it's just been Downtown Disney and hotel hopping (which is plenty of fun in itself). Anyone want to give us tickets for Christmas? :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 09:57:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9403 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 17:57:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 17:55:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:55:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: $20m amusement park plans for Tbilisi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=46yMBIt6skraFd0VHx3AOfx0GlhBR2C3VpWeF_9cbroNY0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12 Dec 2005 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D13293 Tbilisi, Georgia -- UK-based leisure and tourism developer Deighton=20 International is to create a US$20m amusement park in Georgia. The 1.08 million sq ft project in the capital city of Tbilisi is=20 being financed by a private entrepreneur and will include more than=20 20 rides and attractions for all ages. An exisiting open-air ampitheatre will be refurbished for live=20 entertainment while a disused funicular railway dating back to 1905=20 will also be brought back into operation and used to bring guests=20 into the park. Expected to attract around 3-million visitors per year, the=20 attraction is the first phase of a scheme which could see the=20 addition of a 5.4 million sq ft wildlife safari park at a later=20 stage. Details: www.deighton-international.com --------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 10:01:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64257 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 18:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 18:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 18:01:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 17:59:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:59:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tribe plans amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Kc05joHkfqkhWM-jgrA9CKqXkGOU2-2tHyyd2VgvCPsBFU0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/9/2005 Associated Press News 14 Carolina http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp? ArID=3D108662 =20=20=20=20 HOLLISTER, N.C. -- The Haliwa-Saponi tribe plans to build a Native=20 American-themed amusement park just south of Roanoke Rapids, the=20 tribe's chief said. The tribe contracted B&R Associates to develop a preliminary design=20 and a rendering of the proposed park, Chief Ronnie Richardson told=20 the Daily Herald of Roanoke Rapids. The proposed site is 118 acres near I-95, Tribal Administrator Archie=20 Lynch said. The site would be developed in 2 phases, with the first=20 phase costing an estimated $30 million. Tribal administrators plan to seek $1 million from the state General=20 Assembly to help pay design, marketing and promotion costs. The tribe=20 has already received $100,000 from the Golden Leaf Foundation and=20 $250,000 from HUD's Rural Housing and Economic Development program to=20 help develop the project. The park will also help educate visitors about the history and=20 culture of American Indians, according to a proposal submitted to the=20 Golden Leaf Foundation. The park would be located near the planned 750-acre Carolina=20 Crossroads Music and Entertainment District. Randy Parton, the=20 brother of singer Dolly Parton, broke ground last month on a theater=20 near Roanoke Rapids that would be the cornerstone of the district=20 that seeks to rival Branson, Mo., and Gatlinburg, Tenn., as a hub of=20 country, pop, beach and gospel music. Richardson said he and Randy Parton have already discussed the=20 amusement park proposal. "(Parton) sees how the two can mesh=20 together," Richardson said. ---------- Copyright 2005 Associated Press =A9 2005 Charlotte News Channel, L.L.C From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 10:10:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15690 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 18:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 18:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 18:10:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 18:07:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 18:07:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 18:07:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:07:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great Escape to charge for parking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n473G06htBwN41Y1aAjORvypAa7tXTnTPQl9tOVIjG-xEWM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 12, 2005 The Post Star http://www.poststar.com/story.asp?storyid=3D2220 By CHARLES FIEGL Lake George, NY -- An extra cost has been tacked on to the price for=20 Rodney Woodard's 9- and 11-y.o. children to "live" at Great Escape=20 this summer. When asked if Woodard had ever been to the amusement park, the=20 Queensbury man responded, "oh yeah, my kids live there." He has=20 purchased season passes for his family to ride the roller coasters=20 and play games as often as 3 times a week during the summer, he said. After learning GE will charge a fee for parking when the 2006 park=20 season begins May 13, Woodard said the summer activity for his family=20 would not change. "That's kind of normal for any park to charge for=20 parking," he said. The park decided to charge the fee after making capital improvements=20 to their property like paving the parking lot and building a=20 pedestrian bridge crossing SR-9, said Jennifer Mance, GE director of=20 marketing. The bridge is expected to be finished by opening day. The amusement park will charge $5 for vehicles to park in its lot for=20 the day. Season passes for unlimited parking will also be offered for=20 $15, Mance said. Hotel guests of the 6FGE Lodge & Indoor will park=20 for free, along with buses and members of groups with at least 50=20 people, she said. GE had e-mailed those who previously purchased season passes about=20 the $15 offer, but made no public announcement about the parking fees. Queensbury Town Supervisor Dan Stec had not heard about the new=20 parking policy until he was asked by a reporter Friday. Stec said the=20 private company has made several improvements to its lot, which on a=20 busy summer day can be "tight" for parking. Bob Bishop, of Queensbury, said he had heard about the parking fees=20 from a friend. Bishop goes to the park with his 2 children sometimes=20 three times a week, he said. "I think it is a pretty good deal," he=20 said. "It won't stop us from going." Parking passes will be sold at toll booths set up at the parking=20 entrance. The booths are currently being constructed. Season parking=20 tags are available on GE's ticket Web site, www.sixflagsticketing.com. GE's 200-room hotel and 38,000-sq-ft water park is scheduled to open=20 in February. The hotel and water park will operate all year. The cost for general admission to the theme park for customers over=20 48" tall is $36.99; 48" and under, senior citizens and tickets=20 purchased after 4 p.m. are $19.99; and children under the age of 2=20 are admitted for free, according to the ticket Web site. Season=20 passes, available until June 18, are $59.99. Tickets and passes for admission will still be available at the gate=20 and on-line. ---------- Copyright 2005 Lee Publications, Inc. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 11:29:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30310 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 19:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2005 19:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 19:29:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 19:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 19:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2005 19:28:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:28:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Tribe plans amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=P-8-lbOGo7xALdRAHrzOypIYHUK_cyRz7bqK3uce_ZpPzVNNqlVw X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wonder if we might see more tribes build amusement parks--- they=20 could complement casinos if parents are looking for ways to entertain=20 their kids while they gamble, and the tribes' exemption from many=20 planning and environmental laws could mean they wouldn't face=20 restrictions on height, noise, etc. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Dec 13 09:32:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84626 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 17:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 17:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 17:32:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:32:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:32:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:32:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.186 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: NEWS: Great Escape to charge for parking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=bSFxi0fM55p66yyh6KySfGApa5VkZL4OXqp4JtEOsk0EHf8E3z4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I was very surprised to have a free parking the first time I went to=20 the Comet's home, Great Escape. Now, we will have to pay but a new=20 pedestrian bridge is going to be built, which is a good news. My first reaction is that 5$ for parking is not expensive and 15$ is=20 very cheap for a parking season pass. I would like to see a similar=20 package at La Ronde, Six Flags' park in Montreal, where the cost for a=20 one-day parking is 12$CAN (approx. 10$US) and where season passes for=20 parking are not available. However, I guess that these low prices at Great Escape are a strategy=20 to avoid the opposition. For long term, I expect that the cost will=20 increase and will become similar to other amusement parks. Fred From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Dec 13 09:37:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72821 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 17:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:37:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.186 From: "bastienfred" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=YyhMqRdlwnZ4sHBtUho2ftFkrpLR62Szz7oCfMlUWJmkAqNgQD8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Searching about Great Escape on RCDB, I just realize that a roller=20 coaster will be added to this park in 2006. The former Serial Thriller=20 from Six Flags AstroWorld, a Vekoma SLC, is going to be relocated to=20 Great Escape. The new name is unknown. If this is an old news, I am sorry, but I just learn it. Fred From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Dec 13 09:41:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63441 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 17:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2005 17:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 17:41:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2005 17:37:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:37:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.186 From: "bastienfred" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=vhQQ0c1bBOJGhVj0viXQTOpNvSsoc4wlD-Ea0AlO7UDynmGFFmw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Searching about Great Escape on RCDB, I just realize that a roller=20 coaster will be added to this park in 2006. The former Serial Thriller=20 from Six Flags AstroWorld, a Vekoma SLC, is going to be relocated to=20 Great Escape. The new name is unknown. If this is an old news, I am sorry, but I just learn it. Fred From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 18:09:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67720 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 02:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 02:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 02:09:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 02:08:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 02:08:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 02:08:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:08:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.173.228.163 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: Matt's Cypress Gardens Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=sKabOaQarfujfA0twxzusrbV-6TatKEtI0k7BsT6CpJd__9apyQU X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > anyway has anyone ever been to Cypress=20 > Gardens and if so is it worth a trip with a 3 year old? I will be in=20 > Orland for 5 days and we're going to Disney a day and Seaworld a day=20 so=20 > I'm not sure it would be worth it to go unless it's a decent park. > Yes, CG is a great park for 3 year olds! We took our 3 year old there=20 in October and he could ride many of the rides. I was completely=20 surprised that he was able to ride the Triple Hurricane, a wooden=20 coaster about the size of the Blue Streak at Cedar Point. And it has=20 Single position lapbars nonetheless... the height restriction was only=20 36 inches. If you're counting your kids credits, he/she will get 3 of=20 them at CG. That's the most we've ever gotten William at a single=20 park. (he's up to 14 now) I meant to post a follow up review to George's TR a few months ago, but=20 have been extremely busy lately. We had the park all to ourselves that day, as the only other guest in=20 town was Ophelia. (tropical storm Ophelia that is) but we managed to=20 stay dry for the most part. Some rides were closed however due to wind=20 and rain. Be very carefull walking through the botanical gardens if it is wet.=20=20 Their are wooden bridges with a slight arc to them. I had William on=20 my shoulders and as I was going accross one of them my foot slid right=20 out from under me. I managed to save him from getting hurt, but my=20 back hurt the rest of the day and I stained up a perfectly good In N=20 Out Burger shirt.=20=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue Dec 13 20:21:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58189 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 04:21:43 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jBE4Ldb6011117 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:21:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ff01c60065$e37b3fc0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:21:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=8dnDnlD-DuoUkWPg2hVQMiCzFw5KreHNoSjuz9uhqt6aNtBvLAlMYrBJHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I had heard the rumor this week, but looks like its going to happen sometime... not sure if there is time to do it in 2006 unless they are just shooing to open it by the end of the summer. Pieces are apparently already showing up on site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bastienfred" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) > Searching about Great Escape on RCDB, I just realize that a roller > coaster will be added to this park in 2006. The former Serial Thriller > from Six Flags AstroWorld, a Vekoma SLC, is going to be relocated to > Great Escape. The new name is unknown. > > If this is an old news, I am sorry, but I just learn it. > > Fred > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 23:19:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2905 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 07:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 07:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 07:19:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 07:16:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 07:16:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:16:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02ff01c60065$e37b3fc0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.26.27 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=qR9U7OHIxBDcKYnwnjnUAXnMNhXEMROuhXEriBBZ27HQ7OGB9T9f X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > > I had heard the rumor this week, but looks like its going to happen=20 > sometime... not sure if there is time to do it in 2006 unless they are just=20 > shooing to open it by the end of the summer. Pieces are apparently already=20 > showing up on site. Any news on the other rides at AstroWorld? Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 07:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3951 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 15:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 15:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 15:50:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 15:48:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:48:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Rumor: Expedition Everest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AASvS-Gqz8aC7TEM60gffkfZf_yNesZx16ofCdWE3potnuA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This is a repost from a Disney site I belong to. "According to a St. Petersburg newspaper, the official opening date for Expedition Everest is April 7, 2006." -Alan (I haven't had the time to verify this) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 07:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68750 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 15:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 15:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 15:56:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 15:56:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:56:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags no longer for sale, directors added X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_KaGRDoCyWEKSS4V4D1ai3dcNWi81e0lRtcH4ACA-Chpxds X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 14, 2005 bizjournals.com Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/051214/1202718.html?.v=3D1 Oklahoma City, OK -- Six Flags Inc. may be attractive to thrill=20 seekers needing a roller coaster fix, but it apparently wasn't=20 attractive to investors as an acquisition. The theme parks company reported Wednesday its deadline for=20 submission of final acquisition bids had passed and it received no=20 formal bids. Therefore, the company's board of directors has decided=20 to take the company off the market. 6F also named Mark Shapiro president and CEO. Shapiro was CEO of Red=20 Zone LLC, a group led by Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder that=20 recently agained board seats and ousted 6F's executive leadership.=20 Shapiro also is the former executive VP of programming and production=20 for ESPN Inc. "With the sale process over, Shapiro will focus on implementing new=20 operational strategies that will help to maximize stockholder value=20 in the long term," said Snyder, chairman of 6F. "We recognize the=20 company's significant debt load and the effect that such debt has on=20 any transaction involving the company. We are committed to bringing=20 the debt load to a more appropriate level." 6F's board of directors also added Jack Kemp, Harvey Weinstein and=20 Michael Kassan. Kemp, a former U.S. congressman and vice presidential candidate, is=20 now the chairman of Kemp Partners, a strategic consulting firm he=20 founded in July 2002. He also is a director of Oracle Corp. Weinstein is the co-chairman of The Weinstein Co., a multi-media=20 company that launched in October. In 1979, Weinstein and his brother=20 founded Miramax Films, which has released some of the most critically=20 acclaimed and commercially successful independent feature films,=20 including The Aviator, Finding Neverland, Chicago, Gangs of New York,=20 Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, Pulp Fiction and My Left Foot. Kassan is an internationally recognized leader in the area of media,=20 advertising and entertainment. Kassan is and has been a=20 strategic/brand development consultant to brands and companies such=20 as Unilever, The Walt Disney Co., Sony Pictures Television=20 International, Chrysler, The Home Depot Inc. and Microsoft XBOX. Published December 14, 2005 by the Atlanta Business Chronicle ----------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83021 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:10:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:08:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:08:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:08:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Luna Park residents launch new legal action X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8CInQqTT4nqnh-5s65J8f9kOkDgK8drb2XtV-jhouwNVeUg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 The Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/luna-park-residents-launch-new- legal-action/2005/12/14/1134500916756.html By Adam Gartrell Sydney, New South Wales, AU -- Irate residents living adjacent to=20 Sydney's Luna Park have launched fresh legal action against the=20 amusement park, this time claiming operators misled them over plans=20 to install several noisy thrill rides. The Milsons Point residents had earlier launched a nuisance case=20 against the fun park because of what they say were excessive noise=20 levels, but legislative changes in October this year effectively=20 blocked the action. The Luna Park Site Amendment (Noise Control) Bill formally set a=20 limit for any breach of noise guidelines at the harbourside fun park. According to the guidelines, the park is only in breach if it exceeds=20 85 decibels for more than 10 minutes at a time. The residents, who want 3 permanent and 2 temporary thrill rides at=20 the park permanently shut down, are now taking action under the Trade=20 Practices Act, claiming the operators "engaged in misleading and=20 deceptive" conduct when they opened the park. They say the operators promoted sketches and plans which showed small=20 children's rides would be installed in the space north of Coney=20 Island, but they later installed the thrill rides instead. Solicitor for the residents, Peter Wise, said the operators lulled=20 the residents into a "false sense of complacency" by making public=20 pronouncements they would be "good neighbours". "Residents were saying 'We thought there was a children's playground=20 coming here'," Wise said yesterday. "But at all times they intended to put large adult rides there - they=20 knew that it would be very controversial, so they lied." Wise conceded the new case would be harder to win than the original=20 one. But being a federal jurisdiction there was less likely to be=20 any "government interference", he said. LP managing director Peter Hearne said the new case was "a last=20 desperate attempt" by the residents to shut down LP. He said management's plans for the park had always been clear and had=20 been subjected to intense public scrutiny. "We absolutely reject this=20 current claim," Hearne said. In October this year, the Government gave the green light to a 720- seat cinema at LP as well as 2 multi-story buildings on the cliff top. Multiplex, the park operator, had convinced the government the=20 additions were necessary for the park to survive. Planning Minister Frank Sartor had earlier rejected the operator's=20 proposal for a controversial 14-storey building on the cliff top. ----------- =A9 2005 The Sydney Morning Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:18:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35763 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:18:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:16:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:16:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bibb water park hits roadblock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8mH7FWV8K9WaNmG9XpjHg_9A1IkeJzg3dTYesEfNmtth6Ak X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 14, 2005 The Macon Telegraph http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/13401637.htm By S. Heather Duncan Bibb County, GA -- The Bibb County Commission's Engineering and=20 Public Works Committee offered little encouragement Tuesday to Macon=20 leaders trying to attract an amusement park to south Bibb County. Erik Klingelhofer, a Mercer University professor, and local attorney=20 Russell Boston asked the commission to improve access to 400 acres=20 south of Jennifer Drive, which a local family is willing to sell for=20 development into a water park or theme park. Kent Buescher, CEO of Wild Adventures theme park in Valdosta, has=20 expressed interest but said lack of additional access would be a deal- breaker. In the past few weeks, Klingelhofer said a national company=20 also contacted him to express interest in building a water park in=20 Bibb County. The local boosters wanted commissioners to consider extending a=20 bridge across I-75 or extending Jennifer Drive across swamps to Guy=20 Paine Road. But Ken Sheets, Bibb County's engineer, said both options would be=20 costly and would take perhaps more than a decade to build. He said=20 federal and state highway dollars would have to be bumped from some=20 other local project in order to build the bridge. "Trying to get a=20 bridge across I-75 is almost as difficult as adding an interchange,"=20 said Commissioner Elmo Richardson. "Bibb can't afford it. If somebody=20 wants to put up the big bucks, maybe we can find some way to do it." Richardson suggested a public-private partnership rather than=20 government footing the bill alone. Commissioner Bert Bivins asked Sheets to get estimates from the state=20 Department of Transportation about the cost of a bridge, and=20 Richardson asked Klingelhofer to provide more details about the=20 number of jobs and amount of private investment the proposed park=20 would bring. "The only way to make this site perfect and compete with=20 Houston County and its acreage around I-75 is to increase access,"=20 said Boston. "The property that's available is ever-diminishing, so=20 if you wait, it will only get more expensive." --------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:21:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51643 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:21:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:21:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tivoli warns guests away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_Zn0y0FZibL-bjYtDFZFojcLajxBC64Hb9BlNXs5L8UGZsc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14.12.2005 The Copenhagen Post http://www.cphpost.dk/get/92787.html Copenhagen, Sj=E6lland Denmark -- Tivoli advises guests to visit its=20 Christmas markets on weekdays instead of weekends, due to=20 overcrowding. =20=20 After scores of complaints from frustrated visitors, Copenhagen's=20 landmark amusement park is warning guests to plan their Tivoli visit=20 on weekdays, instead of weekends, daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende=20 reported on Wednesday. A visit to the park's Christmas market, an annual yuletide tradition=20 for many Danish families, is likely to become a rather crowded affair=20 during weekends, with visitors stepping on each other's toes to take=20 in the decorations. "We recommend that people visit on a weekday,=20 when there is a little more space, more room, and more Christmas=20 spirit," Tivoli spokesman Stine Lolk said. Especially Saturday has proved logistically challenging, with=20 shoppers crowding the park as soon as midtown shops close. "When the=20 shops close, people make their way here, and then the coziness gets a=20 bit scarce," Lolk said. She added that while Tivoli was grateful for every visitor, it had=20 decided to make the announcement for its guests' benefit. ------------ All rights reserved CPHPOST.DK ApS From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:28:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61766 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:28:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:27:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:27:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:27:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Universal to offer commemorative free admission to 3,000 new adults X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AT7QmYPGPMmPpfDr_GQNK17kx6C4H8xWST9L9f68I2CgYqg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 13, 2005 Yahoo! Asia News Kyodo News http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051213/kyodo/d8ef8t3o0.html Osaka Japan -- USJ Co. said Tuesday 3,000 young people eligible for=20 the Jan. 9 Coming of Age Day celebration will receive free entry to=20 its Universal Studios Japan theme park in Osaka. Applicable to those born between April 2, 1985, and April 1, 1986,=20 the commemorative program will allow 1,000 people to enter the=20 amusement park every day on a first-come-first-served basis from Jan.=20 7 to 9. People eligible will be required to show identification cards. Those=20 turning up after the free admission ends each day will be required to=20 pay 2,000 yen, compared with the regular admission fee of 5,500 yen. -------- 2005 Kyodo News =A9 Established 1945 Copyright =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:33:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83033 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:33:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:33:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:33:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney product might let you supersize meal entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IMZP5-yvU_k1VhX6stf0ANXdhxRpB1QMy48svaK0axjsK8U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 13, 2005 Star Tribune New York Times http://www.startribune.com/stories/154/5780509.html by Julie Bosman If the Walt Disney Co. has its way, McDonald's Happy Meal toys would=20 be replaced with portable media players that hold Disney movies,=20 music, games or photos, according to a pending patent application.=20 Users could add files to the devices by earning points with food=20 purchases. The plan could work something like this: A customer enters a=20 restaurant and buys a meal, receiving the portable media player and=20 an electronic code that authorizes a partial download of a movie,=20 video or other media file, which can be downloaded while in the=20 restaurant, according to a U.S. Patent & Trademark Office application=20 filed by Disney. Then, with each return, the customer earns more=20 downloadable data, eventually getting an entire movie or game. Earning a large file, like a movie, might require 5 trips - a=20 compelling incentive for a customer to return to the restaurant. "The=20 reward for eating at a restaurant, for example, could be the=20 automatic downloading of a segment of a movie or the like, or a short=20 animated clip or cartoon," according to the patent application. While=20 the application mentions McDonald's as a potential restaurant=20 partner, such a device could apparently be licensed to other=20 restaurants or businesses. The British journal New Scientist, which recently reported on the=20 patent application, said the portable media players could be used as=20 part of a McDonald's promotion and create marketing opportunities for=20 electronics companies. They could carry ads aimed at children and=20 teenagers, the most likely targets of the promotion, and customers=20 could transfer downloaded files to other media devices, potentially=20 sharing their files with other users. A Disney spokeswoman declined=20 comment; McDonald's executives could not be reached. The patent application follows efforts by McDonald's to enhance=20 wireless capabilities at its restaurants. The company began=20 outfitting its restaurants with wireless Internet connections in=20 2003, and since then has installed Wi-Fi services in more than 6,200=20 restaurants worldwide. For now, Wi-Fi is primarily intended for=20 McDonald's customers to surf the Internet and check e-mail messages=20 on laptops. The restaurant charges customers for Wi-Fi use and trades=20 promotional coupons and prepaid cards for Wi-Fi time. The portable media players would require "networking systems, such as=20 Wi-Fi or any other suitable wireless Internet access systems," the=20 application said. By continuing to install Wi-Fi capability,=20 McDonald's might be gearing up for the portable media player to be a=20 staple of its promotional lineup. But McDonald's customers should not plan on the devices appearing=20 anytime soon. Patent applications take an average of 30 months for=20 final approval. ---------- Copyright 2005 Star Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 08:35:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59468 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 16:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 16:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 16:35:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:35:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2005 16:35:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:35:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney product might let you supersize meal entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gHwiAxd_hAN8L1UzTG-JT9VnUQL3oog1oc-LlOQpa8xbCF8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 That was just too bazar NOT to post it! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 08:11:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45908 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 16:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 16:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 16:10:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:09:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:09:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:09:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Parks share a theme - higher prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_Tx9zRanUxYg8EUSZnqQVCa1_Hj6vaIljxjIRxe_6xBb6Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 St. Petersburg Times http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/15/Business/Parks_share_a_theme__.shtml By TOM ZUCCO Tampa, FL -- It will get a little more expensive to go to Busch=20 Gardens and SeaWorld beginning Jan. 2, but the theme parks have=20 announced ticket deals that could take some of the sting out of the=20 increase. The parks will renew their Fun Card promotion, which allows Florida=20 residents who buy a single-day admission to return as many times as=20 they want throughout the year at no additional cost. To attract Central Florida vacationers, the parks also have unveiled=20 an any time program that allows those who buy a single-day ticket to=20 return as often as they want within a week at no additional cost.=20 Tickets bought at one park do not apply to the other, and taxes are=20 not included in the price. For most of the past 7 years, attendance at Busch has been flat,=20 largely because of the opening of Disney's Animal Kingdom in Orlando.=20 The Tampa theme park tried to counter with new shows and attractions,=20 including the opening in May of SheiKra, the first so-called dive=20 coaster in North America. It worked, Busch officials said, without being specific on 2005=20 attendance figures. Admission to Busch will increase $2 to $57.95 for adults and $47.95=20 for children. Single-day admission prices to SW will increase by $2.20 to $61.95.=20 Tickets for ages 3 to 9 will increase $1.95 to $49.95. The increase makes SW more expensive than rival WDW. And it's the=20 first to crack the $60 barrier. A spokesman for WDW said no determination had been made on 2006=20 ticket prices. WDW charges $59.75 for adults and $48 for children,=20 not including taxes. -------- =A9 2005 St. Petersburg Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 08:16:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41892 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 16:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 16:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 16:16:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:14:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:14:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: USJ plans Peter Pan show to celebrate 5th anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Y3jDt2kqSd5e-W6NYQP4vDWXNfa4FUbNy9A4Srl1eUnWMBs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 Kyodo News Yahoo! News Asia http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051215/kyodo/d8egk3go2.html Osaka, Japan -- Universal Studios Japan will put on a nighttime show of=20 Peter Pan beginning in late April next year to celebrate its 5th year=20 of business, USJ Co., the operator of the theme park, said Thursday. The company will spend more than 1 billion yen to set up for the=20 attraction 4 stages equipped with props representing a pirate ship and=20 a forest, as well as two 50-meter towers which will support the flying=20 acts of Peter Pan. Performances will last for 20-30 minutes. -------- =A9 2005 Kyodo News =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 08:26:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60750 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 16:26:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:24:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:24:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:24:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man leaking TDL ticket buyer information given suspended prison term X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J-5Lt9LagMtz6J4w7Qu_aTJ80lLfN6ZfuQVIoNBAyEvDy7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 Yahoo! Asia News Kyodo News Chiba Prefecture, Japan -- The Chiba District Court on Thursday=20 sentenced a man temporarily working for Oriental Land Co., the=20 operator of Tokyo Disneyland, to 1 year in prison, suspended for 4=20 years, for leaking customer information such as on people who bought=20 year-round tickets for the theme park. Prosecutors had requested that Yuichi Nomoto, 40, serve 1 year in=20 prison, saying the leaked information covers data on some 180,000=20 customers and he sold it to companies dealing name lists. Judge Naohisa Suzuki said that Nomoto's act has "largely damaged=20 Oriental Land's social trust." But he handed down a suspended=20 sentence saying the defendant has shown remorse. According to the ruling, Nomoto made unauthorized accesses 5 times in=20 November last year to a server managing company information including=20 data of customers who bought annual passport tickets. Nomoto, who was a contracted employee of a software developer, was=20 dispatched to work for the company based in Urayasu, Chiba=20 Prefecture, at that time and had used an identification code and=20 password given to him for the work. The money he made selling the customer information was used to pay=20 back his debts, the ruling said. ---------- =A9 2005 Kyodo News =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 08:31:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71657 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 16:31:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:30:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:30:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:30:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.178.135 From: "Matt" Subject: Cypress Gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=CikQN5xd2umFozG_YVShnKE4lku0tdoyROpiE1Bo9IqGqUxu3JbcWdo X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks for the insight Brian I appreciate it. It's sounds like a good=20 park for my daughter to get some coasters under her belt(and her Dad).=20=20 Now if I could just find a deal to get all the parks tickets for one=20 low price. HaHa I know better than that. This trip will be costly!!=20=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 08:33:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3186 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 16:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 16:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 16:33:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2005 16:32:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:32:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great Escape cedes crucial right of way for bicycle path X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Jt-hnZWYPdTX9A4hqqmRgMkT2J70TqY5U-In9bjSqqlQ5rc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/14/2005 The Post-Star http://www.poststar.com/story.asp?storyid=3D202956 By ERIN DEMUTH QUEENSBURY -- After 2 years of talking, Great Escape has ceded a=20 crucial right-of-way to the town of Queensbury. The R/W, which=20 traverses theme park land on the western side of the Northway, will=20 be used to help the municipality build a bike path from Aviation Road=20 to Gurney Lane. Given the intended route, "we could not build a bike trail off the=20 road without this easement," said Dan Stec, Queensbury town=20 supervisor. Just less than half a mile of the 2-mile-long path will meander along=20 the company's holdings in this area, he added. To accommodate this large chunk of the path, GE has given the town=20 permanent use of a 20'-wide swath, said Jennifer Mance, director of=20 marketing. The company decided to do so because the 72 acres it owns on the=20 western side of the Northway won't be used for rides or other=20 entertainment development. "We're putting something to good use,"=20 Mance said. "We feel it's a win-win situation for the town, GE and=20 the residents." Queensbury and its citizens could indeed benefit from the path in a=20 number of ways. Municipalities with these kinds of amenities "are viewed as healthier=20 and make the community more attractive," Stec said. "Property values=20 go up, and maybe these kinds of things are just enough for=20 (prospective businesses) to say, 'You know, that Queensbury is pretty=20 progressive.'" Progressive areas, he continued, get and retain more businesses,=20 which strengthens the local economy. Before any economic development or cycling occur, however, Queensbury=20 has other landowners to work with. These owners, like GE, must agree to offer up parts of their land to=20 the bike path cause. Despite the fact that the trail project has been in the works for a=20 decade and no cost estimates are available, Stec is confident large=20 steps toward the finish line are being taken more often. "Most=20 property owners are pretty cooperative, and we've definitely made=20 progress," he said. "Assuming we get all the easements and designs=20 done, we could start work on the path during spring or summer of next=20 year. WHERE THE PATH WILL GO The proposed bike path will help link Rush Pond, local neighborhoods,=20 Gurney Lane Park, the Million Dollar Half Mile shopping area, the=20 Warren County Municipal Center and the Warren County Bikeway. It will=20 run from Aviation Road to Gurney Lane along the western side of the=20 Northway. -------- Copyright 2005 Lee Publications, Inc. DBA The Post-Star. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Dec 15 18:52:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70719 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 02:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 02:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 02:52:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:54:57 -0800 Message-Id: <200512151854.AA2569797912@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: RUMOR: New SFGE coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=O1GzXfTHg4KkJaJ9vpDjmhcL5DjJ9iLINJLvHDFUFcLjqkTfX8a3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Searching about Great Escape on RCDB, I just realize that a roller coaster will be added to this park in 2006. The former Serial Thriller from Six Flags AstroWorld, a Vekoma SLC, is going to be relocated to Great Escape. < Oh God, tell me it's not so. That is NOT what the Great Escape needs -- a generic head-banging SLC clotting up the grounds. They already have the relatively ugly Boomerang (ugly compared to the theming that used to exist in that area). The only way I could see it adding to the park in a positive way is if they tore down the Steamin' Demon and replaced it with the SLC (even if I would never ride it), which would look awesome on that hill next to the highway. The entrance could still be from Ghost Town, and they could call the ride "Steamin' Screamin' Agony." They could theme it to an old western torture chamber. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Thu Dec 15 19:33:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83835 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 03:33:13 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1a1.42406b03 (3858) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:32:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a1.42406b03.30d38f60@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:32:48 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RUMOR: New SFGE coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=fg-FWjVE5w0KAQbQOe9-0DAsc4CRpT9ovoVPgSRHENH8BPsCo-DD X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Serial Killer, I mean Serial thriller is a BIG mistake in my opinion. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Dec 15 20:08:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90152 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 04:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 04:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 04:08:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 20369 invoked by uid 99); 16 Dec 2005 04:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20051216040824.20368.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 15 Dec 2005 22:08:24 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.136.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Indoor Water Park to be built in Rockford Il X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=bvkfEdSm-66ql7Q6j5Veb2N4Tc5jKSx6NeTYaUBakChZ0Hgz X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Check out this article from the local newspaper: http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20051215/BUSINESS02/112150025/1002 Rockford is located just south of the Wisconsin / Illinois stateline about 65 miles west of SFGAm. Dave Rounds From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 07:52:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58909 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 15:52:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 15:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 15:45:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 15:45:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:45:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: El Toro roller coaster said to pack plenty of thrills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2iCRoH2KaNskqb-ThPgwQAzj8sNUWP8LdLmSlPy12r46LyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 The Brick Township Bulletin http://bulletin.gmnews.com/news/2005/1215/Front_page/013.html JACKSON, NJ -- In 2006, thrill seekers at the world's largest=20 regional theme park will challenge El Toro, a new wooden roller=20 coaster under construction at Six Flags Great Adventure. The thrill ride, which incorporates the most daring features of the=20 world's best wooden roller coasters combined with the smooth speed of=20 a steel coaster, will be the star of a newly themed area of the park,=20 Plaza del Carnaval. According to information provided by 6F, families with young children=20 will explore adventures in the all-new Bugs Bunny National Park=20 children's area, featuring new rides and attractions designed just=20 for them. Both new areas, including El Toro, are set to open next=20 season. "Classic design meets state-of-the-art thrills with our=20 spectacular new wooden roller coaster," said Rick McCurley, the=20 park's VP & GM. "As part of our multi-year expansion to a family=20 destination, this massive coaster adventure will anchor a colorful=20 newly themed area evoking the lively energy of Spanish-speaking=20 regions of the world." El Toro's design features a hybrid design including a classic "out=20 and back" track with 4 fast-charging drops, multiple highly banked=20 turns and a "twister" finale. El Toro will also deliver 9 "airtime"=20 opportunities, giving riders the thrill ride sensation of=20 weightlessness, according to the press release. At 181'-tall, reaching 70mph, El Toro will rank among the tallest and=20 fastest wooden roller coasters in the world. Its 4,400' of track=20 includes records for 2nd tallest, fastest and longest drop of all=20 wooden coasters in America and features the world's steepest drop on=20 a wooden roller coaster, 76 degrees. El Toro will anchor the Plaza del Carnaval section along a scenic=20 waterway. This newly themed area will feature La Cocina restaurant offering=20 authentic Mexican fare, plus an open-air, marketplace-style retail=20 shop and a new, themed family ride. Plaza del Carnaval will also=20 include one of the world's rare, classic dual-track wooden roller=20 coasters, Rolling Thunder, introduced in 1979. Just around the corner, parents and their young children will explore=20 Bugs Bunny National Park, an all-new, wilderness-themed children's=20 area. Families will enjoy the great outdoors with new rides, an=20 interactive water play feature, plus a lakeside theater with a high- spirited show for children and a snack bar with lots of sweet treats. Guests can take a virtual ride on El Toro and receive up-to-the- minute news throughout the park's winter construction project on=20 www.sixflags.com. --------- Copyright 2002 - 2005 GMN From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:05:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31391 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:05:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 15:58:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 15:58:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:58:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: The Newest Six Flags 'Species of Fear' Revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Js6Q6wKyCBiSUBmSmdLqz22r2aXFP7QFVbIBAZ7BT3fJr2I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 Press Release: Six Flags, Inc. PR Newswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051215/lath093.html?.v=3D33 VALENCIA, CA. -- Marking the renown Thrill Park's 35th anniversary,=20 Six Flags Magic Mountain announces another monster addition to its=20 supreme coaster dynasty with TATSU, a "flying beast" to soar into the=20 record books as the tallest, fastest and longest flying coaster on=20 Planet Earth! This new species of fear is slated for a Spring 2006=20 invasion. =20 To view the Multimedia News Release, go to: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/22650 "6F is known world-wide as the industry leader in next generation=20 thrills. And, bar none, 6FMM leads the pack always adding the biggest=20 and the best," stated Del Holland, VP & GM of 6F California. "There's=20 no better way to commemorate the Park's 35th anniversary than to=20 continue to live up to our reputation - give our guests a stunning=20 one-of-a-kind ride experience only 6F can deliver!" Reaching far beyond traditional thrills, this one-of-a-kind flying=20 beast will take the coaster riding experience to the next generation.=20 Fearless riders will brave a never-been-done-before completely=20 integrated flight pattern - up, down, over and through - the Park's=20 distinct mountainous terrain with nothing but the sky above and the=20 ground below in a unique "horizontal to earth" flying position. The flight begins with great anticipation as riders board sleek=20 dragon-like vehicles and ascend TATSU'S 170'-tall lift with arms=20 stretched forward, feet trailing behind and eyes intensely focused on=20 the landscape below. Once reaching the crest, riders will fly like=20 never before, plummeting straight down the mountain, soaring over=20 Roaring Rapids, before entering a sharp 180-degree turn back up the=20 hillside to round the Park's landmark bright orange Sky Tower. The=20 heart-pounding sensation continues as riders race up and down the=20 mountainous terrain, darting in-and-out of looming trees, blazing=20 over the tops of 4 inversions while dodging Roaring Rapids, Ninja,=20 Orient Express and crossing an opposing Revolution train high above=20 Valencia Falls. Aboard the wings of TATSU, riders will fly at speeds in excess of 62=20 mph through a series of "butterflies-in-your-stomach" plunges, huge=20 sweeping spirals, stomach wrenching loops and sharp dives, high speed=20 banked curves all deliberately designed to enhance the ultimate=20 sensation of flight. With more than 3,602' of blazing red, orange and=20 yellow twisted steel track barely visible intertwined through the=20 mountainside, TATSU'S intense 3.5 minute flight faces a dramatic 263'=20 change in elevation from its highest peak to inches off the ground=20 and spans 4 separate areas of the Park. "6FMM exemplifies the powerful 6F thrill brand," stated Paul Ruben,=20 North American editor of Park World magazine and noted roller coaster=20 historian. "Besides strapping yourself onto a jet fighter, no where=20 else can you experience this unique acrobatic flying experience.=20 TATSU is a tremendous addition to this renown thrill park and the=20 missing link to their remarkable world-class coaster collection." Representing one of the largest capital investments in recent years,=20 TATSU will make a dramatic change to the Park's skyline situated high=20 atop the mountain at Samurai Summit - where time-honored customs of=20 the Far East welcome the newest species into 6F's supreme coaster=20 dynasty. The myth and legend of the great Japanese dragon TATSU will=20 come to life when fearless riders board its wings and fly at the=20 speed of fear! Designed and engineered exclusively for 6FMM by design coaster=20 experts, Bolliger & Mabillard of Switzerland, TATSU represents the=20 Parks 17th record-setting roller coaster. Since the Park's inception=20 in 1971, 6FMM continues to deliver the next generation of thrill=20 rides, including X - the world's first and only 4th dimensional=20 coaster; Deja Vu - the tallest and fastest suspended looping coaster=20 in the world; Superman(TM) The Escape - the first and only ride to=20 break the 100-mph speed barrier; Viper - the tallest looping coaster=20 in the world; The Riddler's Revenge - the tallest and fastest standup=20 coaster on the planet and Revolution - the world's first 360-degree=20 looping coaster. ----------- SIX FLAGS and all related indicia are trademarks of Six Flags Theme=20 parks Inc. =AE, TM and =A9 2005. BATMAN, SUPERMAN and all related characters and elements are=20 trademarks of and =A9 DC Comics. =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:10:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87046 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:09:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:09:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Robot, meet coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wVWOzmW6JgkdxjZWiX1dKdT0QjkD7p4KLfLRTXMNHfXVByA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 14, 2005 The Tri-City News http://www.tricitynews.com/portals-code/list.cgi? paper=3D74&cat=3D23&id=3D555394&more=3D By Sarah Young Sterling Heights, Michigan -- A Port Coquitlam company will be=20 featured on the small screen next summer when the National Geographic=20 Channel airs a special on roller coasters. An Indigo Films crew from San Raphael, CA, spent Friday filming a=20 portion of the 2-hour Coasters: Riding into the Extreme, a look at=20 the science behind roller coasters, at AMEC's Dynamic Structures=20 warehouse in PoCo, where the RoboCoaster G2 prototype was built.=20 "This coaster is quite different from anything we've filmed so far,"=20 said Indigo spokesperson Quinn Kanaly. "You're going 400' in the air,=20 130 mph, it has hanging seats that flip you upside down. It's very=20 exciting." Right now, the RoboCoaster G2 consists of 2 bright orange & purple=20 seats, dangling off what looks like a smaller version of the=20 Canadarm, with a movie screen on one side of the warehouse projecting=20 3D images of polar bears at play and massive sea turtles gliding=20 through the water. When it's installed at an amusement park, likely=20 in 2008, there will be 44 robots, or modules, at the end of an arm=20 that spins, moves side to side, up & down and along a track swooping=20 in all directions. The coaster's movement will be married to the surrounding 3D images=20 and sound effects to create a smooth and seamless experience=20 that "touches all the senses at once" says David Halliday, VP of=20 AMEC's Dynamic Structures. "With a conventional rollercoaster, you=20 can see what's going to happen to you next and there's only so much=20 the physical body can experience. We believe the next generation of=20 roller coasters is tying together a sophisticated ride that couples=20 motion and visuals." "The unexpected nature of it =97you don't know when you're going to=20 fall off the next cliff =97brings an added dimension to it," Kanaly=20 added. "It adds that extra fear & tension of the unknown." RoboCoaster G2 is the only industrial-grade robot available as an=20 amusement park ride, combining AMEC's experience in roller coaster=20 construction (the company has designed and built coasters for Disney,=20 Six Flags and Universal) with German robot manufacturer KUKA=20 Roboter's latest technology. According to AMEC's website, RoboCoaster=20 G2 will give riders an interactive experience akin to flying an F16=20 fighter jet or riding in a Mars Rover. According to AMEC spokesperson John Kageorge, amusement park=20 executives from at least 4 continents are already competing for the=20 first RoboCoaster G2. Coaster, meet reporter=20 It's not too often you get to make history in the course of your=20 workday. But I did just that (sort-of) when I was (almost) the=20 first "civilian" to ride the RoboCoaster G2 prototype on Friday=20 afternoon. Until then, only AMEC's top brass and amusement park=20 royalty had enjoyed the honour. No regular folk had yet climbed aboard until (just before me) a=20 Tsawwassen man named Francois Cleroux. Cleroux, who earned his seat=20 after submitting the winning bid during a charity auction, was the=20 real history-maker and brought his nephew, Andrew Dueckman. So, technically, I was 3rd in line for the throne but since that puts=20 me in the same league as Prince Harry, I figure it will do. The RoboCoaster G2, named for its marriage of robotics technology to=20 rollercoaster tracks, moves in ways regular roller coasters simply=20 can't, says Kageorge, and it won't be available to the public until=20 2008. Until then, here's what you can look forward to:=20 Once secured into the seat, I had nothing below me but my dangling=20 feet, a lot of people looking up and a cold, hard concrete floor.=20 I had told the man behind the controls to make the ride as wacky as=20 possible and, 2 minutes later, I was being flung the entire breadth=20 of the robot's 30'-span from side to side, then zooming up to the=20 ceiling, with my back to the floor and my outstretched feet nearly=20 touching the rafters. Suddenly, I was careening towards the floor, face first, practically=20 landing in the lap of a worried-looking member of the film crew and=20 his very expensive equipment. I think that's when my 3D glasses fell=20 off but the images of polar bears lumbering across the ice were=20 spectacular nonetheless. Although each movement was smooth and precise I felt like a rag doll=20 in the grasp of a half-crazed toddler. And I was giggling like one,=20 too. --------- =A9 Copyright 2005 The Tri-City News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:20:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1397 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:20:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:20:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:19:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Weinstein brothers - coming soon to a Six Flags theme park near you X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=92SJlD094YRkP5QU3dNfDORcDGC2clL4L1fwox6j0O2gqak X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec 15, 2005 Cinematical http://www.cinematical.com/2005/12/15/weinstein-brothers-coming-soon- to-a-six-flags-theme-park-near-y/ by Kim Voynar Oklahoma City, OK -- They just announced last week that they're=20 dabbling in DVD distribution; now Harvey Weinstein has joined the=20 board of Six Flags. New 6F CEO Mark Shapiro is full of ideas about=20 revamping the theme park (once owned by Warner Brothers), and=20 partnering with a movie studio like The Weinstein Company is just=20 part of his plans. Shapiro is also talking with Microsoft (Bill Gates is a major=20 investor in 6F) about an xBox Village and maybe Wes Craven about=20 designing a haunted house. Where do the Weinsteins factor in? A=20 connection to a movie studio will mean the ability for 6F to create=20 more rides themed around movies, and the Weinsteins said when they=20 split from Disney that part of why they made that decision was a=20 desire to branch out to other outlets. The Weinstein Company has a slew of new projects in the works,=20 including Grind House, Sin City 2, Halloween: Retribution, and The=20 Green Hornet. What movie-themed rides would you love to see at your=20 neighborhood 6F Amusement Park? --------- =A9 2005, Weblogs, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:27:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24886 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:27:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:27:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:27:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lo-Q posts pretax profit in 12 months to end September X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FXF421hJG6o8nnMfDzJnLITQ1tdHXek1z1yi2GOrgkucuTc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2005-12-16 AFX News Limited Interactive Investor http://www.iii.co.uk/news/? type=3Dafxnews&articleid=3D5498563&subject=3Dcompanies&action=3Darticle LONDON, UK -- Lo-Q PLC, a designer of virtual queuing systems at=20 amusement parks, posted a pretax profit in the 12 months to end=20 September helped by higher Q-bot rental income. "The positive start=20 to the season, previously mentioned in the March 2005 interim=20 results, has continued throughout the summer and the company's=20 results reflect the benefit of the increase of Q-bot rental income,"=20 it said. The results were the company's interims but cover a 12-month period=20 after it changed its reporting year to align it with a major=20 customer. The full accounting period which will end on Dec 31 will=20 cover a 15-month period. It swung to a pretax profit of 75,587 stg compared with a 348,382 stg=20 loss in the 12 months to end September 2004. Sales jumped to 1.7 mln=20 stg from 845,535 stg. The company expects to announce the results for the full 15- month 'year' by the end of March by including the last 3 months of=20 this calendar year to the 12 months covered in this statement. "These 3 months see little theme park attendance and therefore, the=20 company will receive little income," said chairman Jeff McManus. ---------- Copyright AFX News Limited 2005 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:35:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70836 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:35:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:35:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags' New CEO Outlines Strategy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZBaZM66WOUgFllEmFRbyLSTpSKDvt6RpJhTg2fO288G5WQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 15, 2005 The LA Times Bloomberg News http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sixflags15dec15,1,6060400.story? coll=3Dla-headlines-business Oklahoma CIty, OK -- Six Flags Inc. CEO Mark Shapiro plans to=20 increase corporate sponsorships, improve customer service and make=20 the company's amusement parks more appealing to families as part of=20 his turnaround plan. "6F has to be a business focused on bringing=20 more people to the turnstiles and to get them to spend more time at a=20 park," Shapiro said after he was named CEO by Chairman Daniel Snyder,=20 owner of the Washington Redskins. =20 Snyder, the company's largest investor, ousted CEO Kieran Burke on=20 Tuesday. Synder also named film executive Harvey Weinstein, former=20 vice presidential candidate Jack Kemp and advertising executive=20 Michael Kassan to the board, giving him a majority of directors. Under Burke, attendance and revenue at 6F have fallen for 2=20 consecutive years. Investors praised the appointment of Shapiro, a=20 former ESPN programmer who said he planned to step up marketing of=20 the parks. "With Snyder and Shapiro, they came and had a plan for the=20 business," said Diane Jaffe, a money manager at Trust Co. of the West=20 in New York, which owns 6F shares. "That gave a lot of investors conviction that these guys at least had=20 a road map." Shapiro said the company had abandoned plans for a sale because none=20 of the bids "were high enough." 6F never disclosed any purchase=20 offers. 6F is the world's 2nd-largest theme park operator. It owns and=20 operates about 30 parks in North America, including Magic Mountain=20 and Hurricane Harbor in Valencia. Snyder won a proxy fight Nov. 22 to oust Burke as a director and=20 overhaul the board. The appointment of Shapiro brings to the helm of 6F a former top TV=20 executive known for innovative programming at ESPN, the sports TV=20 network owned by Walt Disney Co. Shapiro joined Snyder's Red Zone on=20 Oct. 1 when he quit ESPN. Red Zone holds the 6F stake. "We have a=20 captive audience: 35 million people who spend 9 hours a day" at a 6F=20 park, Shapiro said. The company may be able to boost attendance and=20 revenue by adding corporate sponsors. 6F is in talks with Papa John's International Inc. about being the=20 national pizza provider for all the company's amusement parks,=20 Shapiro said. 6F shares rose 5 cents to $7.20. ---------- Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:49:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68558 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 16:49:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:48:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 16:48:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:48:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Robot, meet coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=RSsqjTsES1k1d6NmWXq-ifynaoLbR3MoMc0EzLE8BMt56p0zLyFf X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I'll get to check out a RoboCoaster tomorrow when I visit Legoland. Has=20 anyone here ridden one yet? Any tips on good ways to program it? Spending the weekend in San Diego, I'll actually be checking out=20 coasters right up to the Steel Coaster Poll deadline. I'll be at=20 Legoland tomorrow (where I've ridden the Dragon and the now-defunct=20 Spellbreaker, but not the Technic wild mouse (which will be closed) or=20 Coastersaurus (which won't be, but I've heard it's nothing special),=20 Sea World on Sunday (checking out Journey to Atlantis, plus I haven't=20 been to the park in 20 years), and then I'll be back up here on=20 Tuesday, where I've got a day scheduled at Magic Mountain. There's a=20 few rides at SFMM I definitely want to reride before voting. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 12:32:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43848 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 20:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 20:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 20:32:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 20:32:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:32:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: Cypress Gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=XlIEK_ys0s-tLJ01QyQJzmnhvgUs0FfoMmeORJxTkKCrgFlH6nJT X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Thanks for the insight Brian I appreciate it. It's sounds like a=20 good=20 > park for my daughter to get some coasters under her belt(and her=20 Dad).=20=20 > Now if I could just find a deal to get all the parks tickets for one=20 > low price. HaHa I know better than that. This trip will be costly!! I'm pretty sure that still CG gives you 2 days admission for the price=20 of one. (we couldn't use the 2nd day) Also, look around, we got=20 coupons from somewhere, I can't remember. I think our hotel had one. Not sure about Busch Gardens discounts, we did go there too in Oct,=20 but just bought one day passes. Don't voluteer the fact that your=20 child is 3 and you may be able to get away with "2 adults please" If you're planning on going to Universal, you can get an annual pass,=20 basically a season pass with blackout dates, for only $10 more than a=20 2 day ticket. We did that last year and that was the excuse we used=20 to get back down to FL in Oct.=20=20 And yeah, the coasters at CG are pretty good. Tripple Hurricane is=20 very fun. Not full of air or anything but just fun and reridable. As=20 I said before, our 3 year old rode 7 times in a row without even=20 having to walk around. We sat in front middle and back. They have a=20 Vekoma Rollerscater which is the same as the one at CP, IOA, etc. And=20 a Vekoma invert which is actually the same layout as their=20 rollerscater, just inverted. (It's like PKI's) There's a (very)=20 junior mouse which I actually enjoyed, and the spinning mouse which=20 is awesome! There's a neat model railroad display in the train store too. Enjoy, AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 13:59:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51011 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 21:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 21:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 21:59:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 21:57:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2005 21:57:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:57:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Robot, meet coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=APIfePj-xOLmh73z5J58SbqG5HnBgeHkQhUqEZ2sENHxsRQN2x-A X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > Spending the weekend in San Diego, Hey speaking of which, has anybody been to Mundo Divertido in Tijuana?=20 It looks from the RCDB like it's about a mile or so past the border,=20 and that they have a looping Pinfari coaster. I can't find any other=20 information about it online, so I don't even know whether it would be=20 open this time of year. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 04:23:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44692 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2005 12:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:23:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2005 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2005 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2005 12:23:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:23:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.245 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Robot, meet coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=NMQYWGwG5fX5kXbcIpojhBdrUDsLQokA5gmS4-nxVCmY9ArD0A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > I wrote: > > Spending the weekend in San Diego, >=20 > Hey speaking of which, has anybody been to Mundo Divertido in Tijuana?=20 > It looks from the RCDB like it's about a mile or so past the border,=20 > and that they have a looping Pinfari coaster. I can't find any other=20 > information about it online, so I don't even know whether it would be=20 > open this time of year. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > Must be new. I lived in Sand Dog for 7 years, and I never heard of the place. I'm not sure if I would trust a Pinfari that's operating in TJ, though. That is a truly scary proposition that shames everything else I can think of. I think I'd rather jump out of a plane and then strap on a parachute in freefall, and I'm too chicken to bungie jump, let alone skydive! Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 04:24:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49099 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2005 12:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:24:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2005 12:24:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2005 12:24:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:24:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.245 From: "Chris" Subject: Six Flags in the Red Zone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ld_ybXpDgum9UtAvR_U1zJIgtoq64Hfmm2SAY1gosb0QH5S8Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Wow, all this 6F news! Dan Snyder isn't wasting any time implementing his vision. Chris B From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Dec 17 13:55:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33861 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2005 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 21:55:46 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s12so665916wxc for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.19.13 with SMTP id 13mr2709981wxs; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:55:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:55:45 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Robot, meet coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=sx-y2xdX-gbPPd7O37o2zgT9D_sw1fQX-IGGpegCEbj4zlAmByUhAJE X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wrote: > > I wrote: > > Spending the weekend in San Diego, > > Hey speaking of which, has anybody been to Mundo Divertido in Tijuana? > It looks from the RCDB like it's about a mile or so past the border, > and that they have a looping Pinfari coaster. I can't find any other > information about it online, so I don't even know whether it would be > open this time of year. > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com Funny you should mention that. I just found out about that place after having lived in San Diego for about 12 years. It's probably one of the closest parks to me, and I've never heard of it before. Anyways, after I found out about it on Rcdb.com (which looks like they've updated their information quite a bit since then) I tried to find out what I could. About all I could find was an a short travel article that mentioned it. Appararently it's in the tourist district of Tijuana, which is, like you said, right across the border. It's probably open year round, due to it's location. After I found out the general location of it, I visually searched for it on Google Earth (at the time Rcdb.com didn't have much info for it's location). It looks like to get to it you just need to go across the border, get on the freeway, get off at the first exit, and then just drive down the road a bit. However, you should probably look at some maps yourself, just to make sure. Rcdb.com says it has a Crazy Caterpillar kiddie coaster, the Pinfari Looper you mentioned, and a Wild Mouse. I'm probably going to go by there soon to check it out, now that I'm on break. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 10:11:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49082 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 18:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 18:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 18:11:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:09:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:09:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:09:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sheriff sale set for February for Midwest Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bSs_yhDSgWsN_IRJltSatBpOR_V5fa7GZVn2r2NcZt1xdnE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 19, 2005 The Shawano Leader http://www.shawanoleader.com/articles/2005/12/18/news/news1.txt By Tim Ryan Shawano County, WI -- Midwest Amusement Park has been ordered sold=20 off to pay a delinquent debt to one of its creditors. A Shawano County Sheriff's Department sale of the property, at W5901=20 County Road BE in the Town of Wescott, has been scheduled for Feb. 8=20 at 9 a.m. The public auction is scheduled to take place in the lobby of the=20 Shawano County Courthouse, 311 N. Main St. However, the sale could=20 still be stopped if Midwest can pay off the debt by Feb. 8. Midwest was ordered last month to pay $380,817 to Northeast Asphalt=20 Inc., of Green Bay, for work done on the park's USA International=20 Raceway. The judgment also entitled Northeast to a construction lien=20 foreclosure. Sheriff's Lt. John Gutho, who handles most of the sheriff's sales,=20 said any number of things could happen before the sale date that=20 would cause it to be canceled or adjourned. "Lots of sales do get=20 adjourned, canceled, different things happen. Even the day of the=20 sale," Gutho said. "Last-minute bankruptcy, or at the last minute=20 found a lender to bail them out." Gutho also said that roughly 9 times out of 10, the plaintiff will=20 end up owning the property. "Normally, an attorney on behalf of the=20 plaintiff will start with an opening bid, normally the dollar amount=20 of whatever money they're owed. Then we go from there to ask for=20 other bids," Gutho said. "Maybe in 1 sale out of 10 do we have an=20 individual other than the plaintiff that buys the property." Gutho said that's usually because most properties sold off at such=20 auctions have been mortgaged to the hilt, and the opening bid is far=20 more than the value of the property. -------- =A9 2005 The Shawano Leader From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 10:15:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93298 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 18:15:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:13:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:13:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Improved accounting should help troubled Conneaut Lake Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Nf7v0L5n0Ojsc-pmmBIxRRidrRlE5DDsatpLvInIIMLSyQo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 18, 2005 The Associated Press PhillyBurbs.com http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-12182005-586083.html CONNEAUT LAKE, Pa. -- A financially troubled historic amusement park=20 will use a new accounting system in January that its manager said=20 should give a clearer picture of the park's monetary situation. "We=20 will be able to see what each cost center at the park does, what it=20 spends and what it takes in, and we will do the same for every event=20 so we know what makes money and what doesn't, and what works and what=20 doesn't," said Conneaut Lake Park manager George Deshner. That's not possible now. While the financial report filed by the park's former board in=20 September indicated a profit of about $116,000, Deshner and court- appointed custodian LeRoy Stearns were projecting a loss of about=20 $75,000. "We won't have final figures until we file our report with=20 the court in the middle or end of January," he said. The park, which opened in 1892, also fell deeper into debt; it now=20 owes about $2.9 million. But Deshner said it should be able to open=20 next year without borrowing money and he is predicting a good year. The park, about 85 miles north of Pittsburgh, was once a summer=20 destination for travelers from western Pennsylvania and parts of=20 Ohio. The home of the wooden Blue Streak roller coaster sits on the=20 state's largest natural lake. But by the early 1990s, attendance at the park declined and the state=20 took control of it. ------- =A92005 Copyright Calkins Media, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 10:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55516 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 18:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 18:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 18:19:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:18:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 18:18:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:18:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Arrest warrant issued for photographer charged in Witherspoon incident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=W578_9QD8xYJAx3wemsD5Fvf7wZjTKjEjvWFP-mNeZWzp4U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 18, 2005 Associated Press Chron.com http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/celebrities/3532693.html FULLERTON, CA -=97 An arrest warrant has been issued for a photographer=20 who allegedly struck a 5-y.o. child with his camera while trying to=20 take pictures of Reese Witherspoon and her children at an amusement=20 park. An Orange County judge issued the warrant Friday after Todd Kevin=20 Wallace, 44, failed to show up for a bail hearing. Wallace had been free on his own recognizance while awaiting trial on=20 6 misdemeanor charges stemming from the Sept. 2 incident at Disney's=20 California Adventure. He allegedly became angry when Witherspoon and her friends declined=20 to be photographed and cursed them. Witherspoon's group was at the=20 amusement park for a birthday party for her 6-y.o. daughter. Police said Wallace took photos from afar, but once he got close to=20 the group, he became aggressive and scared some of the people,=20 including some children, who were in tears. The city attorney's office requested the bail hearing after learning=20 that Wallace had been arrested Dec. 5 for allegedly stealing from an=20 electonics store in the San Fernando Valley. Wallace had posted $20,000 bail and was freed after the arrest=20 pending arraignment on a felony charge of petty theft with a prior=20 conviction, said Nancy Lidamore of the L.A. County district=20 attorney's office. The photographer served more than 4 years in prison after a 1993=20 conviction for 2nd-degree burglary and receiving goods by fraud,=20 according to state corrections records. Wallace has an unlisted phone number and could not be located for=20 comment Friday. --------- =A9 1985 - 2002 Hearst Newspapers Partnership, L.P. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 11:55:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42121 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 19:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 19:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 19:55:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 19:55:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2005 19:55:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:55:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Employee at Disneyland hospitalized X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kMzwTRHhmGkjLyzpmoyiIF6n6bkAFQ8WPeWvfFHfGT4h_nw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 19, 2005 Monterey Herald http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/13441396.htm ANAHEIM, CA -- A Disneyland employee was hospitalized Saturday after=20 breathing smoke caused by chemicals mixed in a maintenance area, a=20 fire official said. There was no immediate word on his condition. Firefighters and a hazardous materials unit went to a park=20 maintenance shop around 2:30 p.m. after a mixture of a resin with a=20 catalyst unexpectedly produced smoke, said Maria Sabol, a Fire=20 Department spokeswoman. 8 employees were evaluated and a man with a history of asthma was=20 taken to a hospital, she said. No one was evacuated from the amusement park but one ride, the steam=20 train, was closed for about 3 hours as a precaution, Sabol said. --------- Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From coasterdude318@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 14:04:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58524 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 22:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2005 22:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2005 22:04:44 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1300251wri for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.131.17 with SMTP id e17mr3473190qbd; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.184.13 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:04:41 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Sheriff sale set for February for Midwest Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=Mq4M3Nrgn5_2_GU1PKlu0UrJDV52O-SV0nA_EZFLR5XFjdYuq-Co1z4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Shawano County, WI -- Midwest Amusement Park has been ordered sold > off to pay a delinquent debt to one of its creditors. I *live* in Wisconsin, and I've never heard of this place. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 08:39:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41791 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 16:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 16:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 16:39:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:38:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:38:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Family settles lawsuit against amusement park where woman fell to death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qwRpBOdq6Q0tZLWdu8dNwz0TX3HBs3Nvq7xqtwvs-PlYp_s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/20/05 Associated Press The Tennessean http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051220/NEWS03/512200332/1017/NEWS Pigeon Forge, TN -- The family of a woman who fell from a Pigeon=20 Forge amusement park ride has settled a lawsuit against the defunct=20 park and the man convicted of reckless homicide in her death, the=20 family's attorney said yesterday. June Carol Alexander, 50, of Millersville north of Nashville, was=20 riding The Hawk last year at the Rockin' Raceway when her harness on=20 the swinging gondola-style ride came loose and she fell 60'. Terms of the settlement are sealed, Nashville attorney R. Price Nimmo=20 said. Charles Stan Martin, 57, manager of Rockin' Raceway, was sentenced to=20 4 years of probation in July. Testimony in Martin's trial showed that=20 a safety system, which would have stopped the ride when Alexander's=20 harness opened, had been bypassed with a "jumper wire." No one saw=20 who put the jumper wire in place. Circumstantial evidence pointed to=20 Martin. He blamed the ride's Italian manufacturer, Zamperla. -------- =A9 2005, tennessean.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 08:45:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67558 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 16:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 16:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 16:45:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:44:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:44:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:44:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: New World Class Thrill Ride Debuts at Valleyfair Santa Claus First Official X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=j42rcX0_l7YXSoFmiTf9i-qtEYSMelanLfly9azlSCSkOPM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 19, 2003 Press Release: Valleyfair PRNewswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051219/cgm044.html?.v=3D32 MINNEAPOLIS, MN -- With the temperature near zero degrees Fahrenheit=20 and the wind chill even colder, Santa Claus took flight on Xtreme=20 Swing - the first operational ride of its kind in the world at=20 Valleyfair Amusement Park. Xtreme Swing is an air-launched super swing set designed by S&S=20 Worldwide Inc., based in Logan, Utah. Xtreme Swing is the company's=20 first 40-passenger swing ride. Ride motion is that of a pendulum,=20 suspended from an axle, swinging in an arc, back and forth -- just=20 like a child's playground swing; except this ride takes you higher --=20 up to 125' in the air and faster -- up to 60 mph. With more than 75 rides and attractions, VF is the largest amusement=20 park in the upper Midwest. This is the first ride in the park's 29- year history to debut in the winter. VF is owned and operated by Cedar Fair, L.P., a publicly traded=20 partnership that is listed for trading on The New York Stock Exchange=20 under the symbol "FUN." In addition to VF, CF owns and operates 6=20 other amusement parks, 5 water parks and 1 indoor water park resort. -------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 08:52:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13095 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 16:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 16:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 16:52:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 16:51:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:51:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: SeaWorld delays park opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=meQMJ2NgzVppeN_cgrOu0eEU5UN2Vr6qVNvD_igjPSeZb2s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 17, 2005 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl- seaworld1705dec17,0,4845073.story?track=3Drss by Christopher Boyd Orlando, Fl -- SeaWorld Orlando said Friday it plans to open a new=20 water-theme park in March 2008, a change from the 2007 launch=20 announced last summer. The International Drive attraction said it needs more time to work on=20 details of the park, which would join the original SW and Discovery=20 Cove, its smaller, reservation-only venue. "This is an elaborate=20 concept, and we are taking time to insure we deliver 100% on that=20 experience," SW spokeswoman Becca Bides said in explaining the=20 decision to open later than anticipated. Groundbreaking, which was originally set for this fall, has been=20 extended to next July, Bides said. SW said the park will include beaches and swimming areas, as well as=20 an attraction that will allow visitors to whisk through acrylic=20 flumes amid a lagoon of jumping Commerson's dolphins. The dolphins=20 are a rare species native to South America. The park is still unnamed. Bides said SW won't yet discuss specifics=20 about its cost, layout or planned capacity. Last summer SW said the=20 water park, which will be built on 58 acres east of International=20 Drive and south of Sea Harbor Drive, would create about 1,000 jobs. SW received government approval to build such a park as part of its=20 original development plan in the 1980s. Last summer, a county review=20 committee approved specifics of the design for the new park. -------- Copyright =A9 2005, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 09:57:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62098 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 17:57:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 17:55:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:55:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AstroWorld's closing may help to boost Fiesta Texas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4OPKmI_8gEWcUUqzWrvURqt19zwMSoX-8m5SUIvrt4PHF1A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 16, 2005 San Antonio Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2005/12/19/story3.html? from_rss=3D1 by W. Scott Bailey San Antonio, TX -- Red Zone LLP's bid to redirect the market strategy=20 of Six Flags is aimed at turning around the financially troubled=20 theme park company. And the former RZ executive who on Dec. 14 was appointed as 6F's new=20 president and CEO, Mark Shapiro, says he expects Fiesta Texas will be=20 a key part of that turnaround. In October, RZ, an investment group headed by Washington Redskins=20 owner Daniel Snyder, sought consent from 6F shareholders to make=20 significant management and marketing changes at the theme park=20 company. 6F management at the time responded by putting the company up for=20 sale. Management also elected to shutter the AstroWorld park in=20 Houston and to sell off the land. Some industry observers have suggested that other 6F properties could=20 face a similar fate as the company has been in deep debt. Dennis Speigel, president of the consulting firm International Theme=20 Park Services Inc., has suggested that 6FFT was perhaps on shaky=20 ground. "That market was always hindered by having 2 major parks=20 there," says Speigel about San Antonio, which is also home to a=20 SeaWorld park. SW San Antonio, which is owned by Anheuser-Busch, ranked 32nd in=20 overall attendance nationwide in 2004, attracting 1.8 million=20 visitors -- a 5% increase over its 2003 turnstile count. But Shapiro says he and Snyder like what they see in 6FFT. He also=20 says the closing of 6F's Houston theme park only increased 6FFT's=20 importance. "With 6FAW going away," Shapiro explains, "I don't=20 believe 6F can afford to let that same fate happen with 6FFT." Uneasy feeling Shapiro has faith in 6FFT. But there have been some questions about=20 the San Antonio park's future.Industry trade Amusement Business=20 ranked 6FFT in a tie for the 39th spot among the top 50 amusement=20 parks in America last year based on park attendance. The park it was tied with: 6FAW. Both parks drew approximately 1.4 million people in 2004. That=20 represented a 6% drop for each compared to 2003 attendance numbers,=20 according to Amusement Business. But on Nov. 29, 6F announced that RZ's consent solicitation seeking=20 major management and marketing changes was adopted by company=20 shareholders. As a result, Snyder, Shapiro and Dwight Schar became=20 new directors, replacing a trio of 6F officials, including Chairman=20 and CEO Kieran Burke. As for the possible sale of the company, analysts doubted that 6F=20 would lure a bidder willing to pay top dollar for the collection of=20 debt-ridden theme parks. Shapiro's appointment as CEO marks the end=20 of the sales process. Shapiro says one of his first tasks as CEO will be a national=20 evaluation tour of the company's parks. That tour will include a stop in San Antonio, where one important=20 industry source maintains that 6FFT is in definite need of park=20 upgrades and an increase in non-local visitors. Shapiro will only say that 6FFT should benefit from the changes - and=20 from its geography. "If you're going to be a national company,"=20 Shapiro says, "you need to have a real footprint in Texas." Smaller presence With 6FAW out of the picture, 6F's theme park presence in the Lone=20 Star State now consists of 6FFT and the company's flagship park - Six=20 Flags Over Texas in Arlington. 6FOT, ranked 26th among the top 50 parks in terms of 2004 attendance.=20 More than 2.2 million visitors passed through its turnstiles last=20 year - some 800,000 more than visited 6FFT. Paul Serff, president of the Texas Travel Industry Association, is=20 confident that 6FFT will be an important part of the turnaround plans=20 for 6F. Serff, who was GM of the San Antonio park in the 1990s,=20 says: "6FFT is a wonderful asset not only to San Antonio and Texas,=20 but to 6F, as well." He adds that 6FFT "is a great park with a great reputation." "It is part of the entertainment beacon that San Antonio has that=20 attracts people from all over ... America and the world," he adds. Despite a drop in 2004 attendance, 6FFT is routinely listed as one of=20 the top attractions in the state. Serff says he expects 6FFT attendance to get a bump from the closing=20 of 6FAW. As for 6F in general, there is some reason for Snyder and Shapiro to=20 be optimistic. Based on data provided by the IAAPA, some 11 million more people=20 visited American amusement parks and attractions in 2004 than in=20 2000 - up from 317 million to 328 million. Revenues also climbed=20 during that span - from $9.6 billion to nearly $11 billion. As for 6F shareholders' willingness to push for the bold changes,=20 Shapiro is upbeat. "We're thrilled," he says. "But it's what we=20 expected." ---------- =A9 2005 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 10:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6484 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 18:14:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 18:14:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2005 18:14:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:14:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Uncle Scrooge rules at Euro Disney say unions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0-Paj3pcvGN1Vy7EXfKl_HNMrSnnk-XOCDPq8uzLyAtM1P0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20 DECEMBER, 2005 Expatica Associated French Press http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp? subchannel_id=3D25&story_id=3D26282&name=3DUncle+Scrooge+rules+at+Euro+Disn= e y:+unions Marne-la-Vall=E9e, France -- Staff at Euro Disney's troubled theme park=20 east of Paris will go without their Christmas bonuses for the first=20 time since the attraction opened in 1992 in a move branded=20 an "affront" by several unions. Blaming poor results, management has cut the EUR 100 gross handout to=20 between 7,000-7,500 employees, CFDT union delegate David Charpentier=20 told AFP. 3 unions are circulating a petition which has already been signed=20 by "several thousand workers to tell management of their indignation=20 at this affront," according to a CFDT statement Saturday. The petition will be presented to management on Monday. "While for=20 months Euro Disney staff have been subjected to a corporate and=20 operational policy which is as unjust as it is inefficient, due to=20 budgetary constraints, increasing understaffing and a range of=20 pressures, the management of the company has now gone even further:=20 it is cutting the modest end-of-year bonus of 100 euros except for=20 management," the CFDT complains. =20 Euro Disney countered that it "never paid end-of-year bonuses". "It is an 'exceptional bonus' which allows management not to pay=20 welfare contributions linked to classic end-of-year bonuses," agrees=20 Charpentier. "But in fact, it's the first time since the opening of the park in=20 1992 that the staff will not get their end-of-year bonus." According to his union, the company "intends to preserve the bonuses=20 paid to management staff amounting to over EUR 3 million". The management denies this, saying: "These 'bonuses' for managers are=20 part of their salary package". The park, which changed its name to the more popular Disneyland Paris=20 in 1994, currently employs over 10,500 staff at the Marne-la-Vall=E9e=20 site. In November operator Euro Disney announced a 35% cut in net losses=20 for the previous 9-month period and said investors would have a=20 better ride next year. The debt-ridden group has had to restructure its finances twice since=20 being launched in the early 1990s and completed a EUR 253.3 million=20 capital increase in February to avert a risk of insolvency. ----------- Copyright AFP copyright 2005 Expatica Communications BV From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 05:48:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72040 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 13:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 13:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 13:48:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 13:48:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 13:48:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:48:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: PR: New World Class Thrill Ride Debuts at Valleyfair Santa Claus First Official X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=NRY8IbIghkAiXuXRfBLUxnrPuu-P4O7roqkI99RfjbP34ibXP96EM-U X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > MINNEAPOLIS, MN -- With the temperature near zero degrees Fahrenheit=20 > and the wind chill even colder, Santa Claus took flight on Xtreme=20 > Swing - the first operational ride of its kind in the world at=20 > Valleyfair Amusement Park. >=20 > Xtreme Swing is an air-launched super swing set designed by S&S=20 > Worldwide Inc., based in Logan, Utah. Xtreme Swing is the company's=20 > first 40-passenger swing ride. Ride motion is that of a pendulum,=20 > suspended from an axle, swinging in an arc, back and forth -- just=20 > like a child's playground swing; except this ride takes you higher --=20 Couple of points: 1 - Just been on their website and "Valleyfair is closed for the season" 2 - It looks the same as "rush" at thorpe park, so it's not exactly a=20 first!! From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Dec 21 06:58:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21249 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 14:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 14:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 14:58:41 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so163401nzo for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.12 with SMTP id h12mr539859qbm; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:58:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30512210658n1ebd05bat21313dfcbe60f04e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:58:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: New World Class Thrill Ride Debuts at Valleyfair Santa Claus First Official X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=h-jrTlE5KV8NQZq0gfZxzvSDCgkiLmqostPNjuwcPd87M7He X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 12/21/05, daniel_roachus wrote: > Couple of points: > > 1 - Just been on their website and "Valleyfair is closed for the season" Publicity stunt/media day, probably to try for one last boost in season pass sales just before Christmas. Plus yesterday was a slow news day, and you'd have to be crazy to be out riding something like that in Minnesota this time of year so it got some further reaching media time than it would have if it had been a typical spring media day. > > 2 - It looks the same as "rush" at thorpe park, so it's not exactly a > first!! The beauty of spin... Others exist, I think this is the first 40-seater. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 08:18:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6848 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 16:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 16:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 16:18:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:17:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park & porn star don't mix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wmNKvkpCTfEiMlisngxKGOBE1Vx82j9_Kzb2CP0SxAHvDno X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/21/05 The Beacon News http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/top/2_1_AU21_SHIRELAND_S 1.htm GENEVA, IL =97- A porn star's photo session may have been the last=20 straw. Kane County officials moved Tuesday to require the owners of an=20 abandoned Elgin-area amusement park to raze the park. The Kane County Development Committee approved a resolution =97 which=20 must be approved by the entire County Board =97 giving the owners a=20 deadline for demolishing all the buildings on the park property, said=20 Mark VanKerkhoff, Kane County building officer. If no action is taken, the county will seek a court order authorizing=20 it to do the demolition, he said. Shireland Park was constructed in 1990 on 120 acres off of SR-20 and=20 I-90, west of Elgin. The park showcased the massive Shire horses, the=20 largest of England's native horses, according to www.horses- store.com . The horses, however, must not have been a big attraction =97 Shireland=20 Park closed after just one year, VanKerkhoff said. The amusement park has been shuttered ever since, and its buildings=20 have become a nuisance. Vandals have repeatedly broken into the 8=20 buildings on the site, he said. In October, an unnamed adult-movie star and a photographer got on the=20 Shireland property for a photo shoot of her, au naturel, according to=20 Kane County Sheriff's Deputy Jamie Garland. A caretaker for the=20 property contacted police and a report was generated. The caretaker did allow the actress to take home a couple of=20 Shireland posters, presumably as souvenirs. VanKerkhoff said the property owners filed an application for a=20 demolition permit last week to tear down 6 of the buildings. However,=20 the county wants all the buildings demolished. The sheriff's office requested the county take action after receiving=20 23 complaints in the past year about trespassing. Sheriff's deputies=20 responded a total of 49 times over the last 5 years. There have been=20 complaints about vandalism and illicit activities, like drinking=20 parties involving out-of-state visitors. --------- =A9 2005 Digital Chicago & Sun-Times News Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 08:37:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50524 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 16:37:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:37:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:37:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Different use found for land X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_JqQS3xhiAYtHCCnIgUDrPiZTbpS5RZRKy5Qa_YcpEJeHkE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 21, 2005 The IndyStar http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051221/ZONES02/512210318/1020 By Rebecca Neal Plainfield, IN -- More than 500 acres in Hendricks and Morgan=20 counties once slated for a theme park will become a warehouse and=20 distribution center. The Hendricks County Commissioners on Tuesday approved rezoning 351=20 acres as a regional support service district, the designation=20 necessary to operate warehouses and distribution centers. Developers hope the center, at the northeast corner of the I-70 and=20 Ind-39 interchange, will build upon Plainfield's reputation as a=20 distribution center. "There is less and less available ground there,=20 and this is the next interchange down from Plainfield," said Tag=20 Birge, a vice president and marketing officer for Lauth Property=20 Group, which is developing the site. Developers first proposed a theme park in the 1990s, and plans in the=20 late 1990s outlined a Garfield-the-cat-themed amusement park that=20 would draw families from throughout the country. The project fell=20 through after Entercitement, the company that owned the land, filed=20 for bankruptcy. SCS Investments, a group of area investors, bought the property about=20 a year ago for $8.475 million. In addition to the land in Hendricks County, about 100 acres lie in=20 Morgan County. That county's Plan Commission has given a favorable=20 recommendation for rezoning the site as a distribution center, said=20 Lee Comer, a Danville lawyer and a partner in SCS Investments. He=20 said he expects it to go before Morgan County commissioners in the=20 coming weeks. About 40 acres along Ind-39 are not included in the initial rezoning,=20 Comer said. He said the investors plan to use that land for=20 commercial development and office buildings. No tenants have been signed, and no construction has begun, though=20 Birge said Lauth expects to begin construction and marketing in the=20 coming year. The land could hold millions of square feet of warehouse=20 space. ------- Copyright 2005 IndyStar.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 08:44:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3063 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 16:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 16:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 16:44:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:43:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 16:43:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:43:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Carnival owner says ride not to blame in girl's death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=63JVezFUuTv51Hnjef7JghttBBa1i1KqAfevjBpRlmTWY4k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/21/2005 News 8 Austin http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=3D152279 By: Veronica Castelo Austin, TX -- The traveling carnival site near Cameron Road and US- 290 where 9-y.o. Fatima Cervantes died Sunday night is now clear.=20 However, the memory of her death will live on. Patrick Crabtree said he'll never forget it. He has owned the=20 traveling amusement park for 25 years. "We feel their pain. Our whole=20 organization feels their pain," he said. Police said Cervantes suffered major head trauma after falling off a=20 ride called the Sizzler around 9:30 p.m. Sunday. She was taken to=20 Children's Hospital where she later died. While heavily burdened by the death at his carnival, Crabtree said=20 yearly inspections will prove the ride Cervantes died on was=20 safe. "We keep up to date on all the rides, the processes, and the=20 mandates. We do the things that have to be done," he said. Austin police are awaiting a report from a consultant who inspected=20 the ride; however, Lt. Peter Morin said no negligence on Crabtree's=20 part can be found. "Preliminary investigations will show this is=20 nothing but a very very tragic accident," Morin said. The Sizzler consists of rotating antique car replicas that spin on=20 one arm, and all the arms holding cars spin on another circle. Both Morin and Crabtree would not comment on whether Cervantes was=20 properly seated on the ride. Crabtree said oftentimes it's not the=20 rides that cause injury. "The things that people wear, proper shoes,=20 clothing, their hair. There are a lot of things involved that=20 mechanics can't take care of," Crabtree said. According to Ride Accidents.com, there have been 3 deaths on the=20 Sizzler. One was due to a malfunction. The other 2 were a result of=20 passengers not siting properly. Both police and Crabtree won't say if that was the case here. As for now, Crabtree said he will no longer use the Sizzler. He said=20 it's not because he thinks it's unsafe, but because it will forever=20 be a reminder of Cervantes' death. -------- =A92005TWEAN News Channel of Austin, L.P. d.b.a. News 8 Austin From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Dec 21 08:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78437 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 16:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 16:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 16:47:52 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jBLGljnp012653 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:47:47 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:47:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:47:45 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2005 16:47:45.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[44B1B330:01C6064E] X-Spam-Score: -4.233 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,SARE_ADLTSUB2 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement park & porn star don't mix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=0Xco7yc210rinO5WGmeo8ymgDCMCD1RvFUI8vDavfwr_iNTe X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Alan, What on earth were you searching for when you found this one?!! :) Cameron. On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Alan wrote: > 12/21/05 > The Beacon News > http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/top/2_1_AU21_SHIRELAND_S > 1.htm > > > GENEVA, IL =97- A porn star's photo session may have been the last > straw. > > Kane County officials moved Tuesday to require the owners of an > abandoned Elgin-area amusement park to raze the park. > > The Kane County Development Committee approved a resolution =97 which > must be approved by the entire County Board =97 giving the owners a > deadline for demolishing all the buildings on the park property, said > Mark VanKerkhoff, Kane County building officer. > > If no action is taken, the county will seek a court order authorizing > it to do the demolition, he said. > > Shireland Park was constructed in 1990 on 120 acres off of SR-20 and > I-90, west of Elgin. The park showcased the massive Shire horses, the > largest of England's native horses, according to www.horses- > store.com . > > The horses, however, must not have been a big attraction =97 Shireland > Park closed after just one year, VanKerkhoff said. > > The amusement park has been shuttered ever since, and its buildings > have become a nuisance. Vandals have repeatedly broken into the 8 > buildings on the site, he said. > > In October, an unnamed adult-movie star and a photographer got on the > Shireland property for a photo shoot of her, au naturel, according to > Kane County Sheriff's Deputy Jamie Garland. A caretaker for the > property contacted police and a report was generated. > > The caretaker did allow the actress to take home a couple of > Shireland posters, presumably as souvenirs. > > VanKerkhoff said the property owners filed an application for a > demolition permit last week to tear down 6 of the buildings. However, > the county wants all the buildings demolished. > > The sheriff's office requested the county take action after receiving > 23 complaints in the past year about trespassing. Sheriff's deputies > responded a total of 49 times over the last 5 years. There have been > complaints about vandalism and illicit activities, like drinking > parties involving out-of-state visitors. > --------- > =A9 2005 Digital Chicago & Sun-Times News Group > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------=20 > ~--> > Know an art & music fan? Make a donation in their honor this=20=20 > holiday season! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/.6dcNC/.VHMAA/Zx0JAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** It's drinking * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the water!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 12:20:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39856 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 20:20:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 20:18:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 20:18:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:18:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Legoland California, Sea World San Diego, SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=_gzdVxrN19V6GZlwSOOuRR6a1bL-jNPUdeCMe1pENYEPVtbA9PUl X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: I wrote: > > Mundo Divertido in Tijuana? > Rcdb.com says it has a Crazy Caterpillar > kiddie coaster, the Pinfari Looper you mentioned, and a Wild Mouse.=20=20 > I'm probably going to go by there soon to check it out, now that I'm=20 > on break. Let me know how it is. We actually didn't make it into Mexico on our=20 trip. We hit Legoland on Saturday, Sea World on Sunday, and had to be=20 prepared for hitting SFMM on Tuesday, plus we had both forgotten to=20 bring any ID beyond our driver's licenses and didn't want to chance any=20 trouble with the border patrol, so we took it relatively easy on Monday=20 and stayed in the USA. The Knights' Tournament at Legoland (AKA the Robocoaster) was pretty=20 fun. "Programming" the ride is limited to selecting an intensity level=20 from 1 to 5, with smaller children being limited to levels 1 or 2. They=20 have six of the units, although they were only operating three the day=20 we were there. The wait was about 15 minutes. Two people ride on each=20 unit. The units rise up out of a small pond with a fountain. They=20 aren't elevated very far above the pond, and it may be possible for=20 particularly tall riders to get a little bit wet. To board, riders walk=20 out of the station onto a little platform that extends to the seat on=20 the arm. After strapping in, the platform pulls away and the ride=20 begins. The seat is attached to the end of a full articulated robotic=20 arm. The program in Level 5 involves a lot of inversion, a lot of=20 spinning, and a whole lot of moving around. It's not very rhythmic,=20 though, so I doubt it would give me nausea even if I hadn't taken a=20 meclazine (Bonine) beforehand. In short, it was a lot of fun.=20 Essentially, imagine being subjected to a succession of motions from a=20 variety of different flat rides. I don't know what exactly would be=20 involved with the other programming levels; the lowest levels look very=20 mild, but I plan to try Level 4 on my next trip. Coastersaurus, which was new to me, is a kiddie (or maybe junior) -=20 level coaster that's nicely landscaped and runs smoothly and quietly=20 (lift is provided via tires, not a chain). The operators were letting=20 each train run through the circuit twice when I was there. More mild=20 than either of their existing coasters (neither of which are anywhere=20 near extreme) but well-run for what it is. The real attraction at Legoland remains the remarkable Lego sculptures=20 found throughout the park, especially in Miniland. Landscaping in=20 general is top-notch, on a par with Disneyland without the absorbing=20 physical environments. Rides and such are by and large geared toward=20 kids under the age of about 10, and your level of interest above that=20 age will largely depend on how much you like Lego, although the=20 sculptures in Miniland are enough to make you a believer if you're not=20 already. I hadn't visited Sea World in more than 20 years and also had a lot of=20 fun there. Crowds were pretty light; we were able to hit just about=20 everything in the park, including two rides on Journey to Atlantis. The=20 hybrid flume/coaster aspect of JtA was quite intriguing. I'm still not=20 fully sure how it all fits together, but it looks like in the coaster=20 section, there aren't actually any upstop wheels on the car, and that=20 it might actually be a side-friction coaster in the coaster part. I'm=20 not positive about that, though, so don't quote me on it. I didn't take=20 a good look at the ride before I rode it, so there was a lot to=20 surprise me along the way. The theming helped, too. Gotta love those=20 Commerson's dolphins. The park as a whole was well-kept, although not as well-landscaped as=20 Legoland. I'd never been in an Anheuser-Busch park before, and it=20 seemed a little weird to have pro-Busch/anti-Miller advertising in the=20 restrooms and Budweiser merchandise for sale and such. Nice=20 clydesdales, though. It's interesting to see how a commercial enterprise handles the animal=20 displays rather than a non-profit. The basic idea is the same: show=20 animals so that people will appreciate them; use the funds to care or=20 rescue the animals. But at Sea World, the animals do tricks, various=20 attractions are built around them, etc. Personally I would have liked=20 to see more of the scientific writeups on the different animals and=20 some more educational books for sale, but hey, they seem to know what=20 they're doing. Finally, yesterday I had our final visit to SFMM with our PlayPasses,=20 along with using our friend passes for my sister, who had been living=20 in Louisiana for 7 years, and her husband, who had never been to SFMM=20 before. This was one of my best trips to MM in a long time; a Tuesday=20 in the offseason really produced short lines, even though most coasters=20 were only operating with single trains. X, with a single train, had an=20 extremely slow-moving line. With a cycle of about 6 minutes, and trains=20 of 28 riders, it was only operating at 280 riders per hour. The wait=20 was about 90 minutes, but thankfully everything else was at least an=20 hour less of a wait. The only coaster operating with two trains was=20 Goliath, resulting in a walk-on. Batman and (or course) Gold Rusher and=20 Psyclone were also walk-ons. Viper, Colossus, Scream, Riddler's=20 Revenge, and Superman: the Escape were all between 15 to 30-minute=20 waits. I still didn't make it over to the Canyon Blaster in Bugs Bunny World.=20 Does that one allow adult riders? It's the only coaster in Magic=20 Mountain's history that I haven't ridden--- yes, I've been on=20 Flashback, Shockwave, the Sarajevo Bobsleds, and even the Mountain=20 Express, and I rode Goliath Jr. as a kid in its incarnation as the=20 Clown Coaster. There's also lots of construction going on for Tatsu. The lift hill is=20 complete, and you can see pieces of the track lying outside the parking=20 lot. You can also see evidence of construction from the Log Jammer. The=20 walkway is closed between Baja Ridge and Cyclone Bay, turning both of=20 those areas into dead ends. The only way up the hill is the long, steep=20 ramp between Gold Rusher and Spin Out; please tell me they're going to=20 give us some mechanical method of getting up there once Tatsu opens. I'll probably have photos of Legoland and Sea World up on my blog in a=20 few days, assuming my internet connection at home gets back up and=20 running. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 15:42:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86344 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2005 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 23:42:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 23:41:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2005 23:41:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:41:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Legoland California, Sea World San Diego, SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=xflk6U20sIq3UZ8E6r7UPr9z0xZDgX5mOxFSzFFDDXit4TeOqZLE X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > There's also lots of construction going on for Tatsu. The lift hill=20 > is complete, and you can see pieces of the track lying outside the=20 > parking lot. You can also see evidence of construction from the Log=20 > Jammer. The walkway is closed between Baja Ridge and Cyclone Bay,=20 > turning both of those areas into dead ends. The only way up the=20 > hill is the long, steep ramp between Gold Rusher and Spin Out;=20 please > tell me they're going to give us some mechanical method of=20 getting up > there once Tatsu opens. I should note that the Revolution is closed right now, as they've=20 removed a segment of track to thread Tatsu through it. And if it=20 wasn't clear by the closed pathway I mentioned above, Roaring Rapids=20 is closed for now, too, although that's probably just as well=20 considering that it's December. The only other closed coaster was=20 Flashback; does anybody know the last time that was open? I wonder if=20 the long-term plan is to just leave it there until a buyer comes=20 along with some money. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 19:49:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84890 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 03:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 03:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 03:49:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 03:47:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:47:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.91 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Escape Theme Park, Pasir Ris, Singapore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=OaoTVh28KiuvYOm9f0rJYMFLQZqoaKqT38gEl0Dyn2ZLCfAywA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 When: 3 Dec 2005 Who: Me and Lane What: Escape Theme Park (ETP) Where: Pasir Ris, Singapore Why: Because I though I would get to ride two new for me roller coasters. ETP is part of a complex called Downtown East and includes a water park, some resort condos and a small shopping complex. The weirdest thing was a McDonald's and a Burger King that were actually adjacent to one another.=20 The water park was quite small, having only a few standard slides, a lazy river, a decent sized sprayground and a Proslides halfpipe.=20 Entry into ETP was 16.50 Singapore Dollars, which was about $9.75 US. This turned out to be only good news of the day. The ticket girl told me that the coasters were both closed, and the customer service desk confirmed that they would be closed all day. We went in anyway, not knowing what else to expect.=20 Begin bashing session here: When a park lists only 17 attractions, and two of them are coasters that are down hard, it's pretty disapointing when: one is the arcade, one is remote control boats, two of the flat rides (Zamperla(?) Balloon Wheel, Huss Rainbow) are down hard, the log flume dies for the day while waiting in line, and several other rides are operating at reduced capacity due to shoddy maintenance (Adults Go-karts 6/16 operable, Chance Chaos 8/32 seats operable, Bumper Boats 50% 6/10 operable). The Zamperla Family Coaster was SBNO with it's train disassembled and mostly sitting in the infield of the ride with grass growing up through it's pieces. The lap bars were in the ride's queue area.=20 That leaves the following: L&T Mini Train, Zamperla Mini-Planes, Kite Flyer, and Swinging Ship, Huss Flipper, Kiddy Go-karts, and a Chance Inverter to carry the park's operations. The park was fairly dead, probably due to the serious accident on the park's indoor coaster the day before, but it was still not dead enough to keep there from being lines.=20 Most of the rides were trailer mounted, so they were likely used. The buildings and walkways were dingy and worse. There wasn't any litter, but there wasn't much to buy to create any. No souvenirs to speak of. Little food or beverage options were offered. The dive and synchronized swimming displays were decent, but not particulary impressive. (3 divers to a comedy routine, 3 swimmers to pop tunes)=20 The ops seemed practically depressed, and were very aware of the problems at the park and were not afraid to discuss them, citing a lack of parts support and other significant issues. The customer service office also seemed somewhat dispondent when I asked them about the park.=20 End bashing session.=20 The Go-kart tracks were really cool, and probably the only multi-level and intertwined tracks I have ever seen outside of Big Chief's and RCT.=20 For photos of the two coasters, Duane has posted my shots over at RCDB. Pretty much every other shot I took at this park was of a closed sign!=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 21:38:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34179 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 05:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 05:38:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 05:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 05:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 05:38:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:38:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.91 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Malaysian Coaster Madness Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XgYqtMQWSHicHpDd49LprQowyxNLHttXdx-s41z3j7njzt2veA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Who: All by myself! What: 3 indoor amusement parks in Malaysia When: 8 Dec 2005 Where: Cosmo's World and Starlight Express (Kuala Lumpur), First World Plaza (Genting Highlands) Why: Travelling from my ship in Langkawi, Malaysia to Japan to get married required a 9 hour layover, so I pushed it out to 29 hours so I could hit coasters! After a terrifying day where my ship was telling me that I couldn't go on leave because of a possible suspected terrorist threat against western targets in Langkawi, I was allowed to go ashore and was escorted to the airport by the security company that was providing force protection for the ship. (They also escorted several other sailors on a community relations project to a home for children with Down's Syndrome.)=20 Langkawi International Airport (LGK) is quite possibly the tiniest commercial terminal I have ever seen and flies only about 8 flights a day! Most impressively, they were still able to lose my luggage!=20 I arrived at KLIA at about 2:15 PM, and left about 3:00 once I made all the arrangements for my suitcase to go to my hotel.=20 I took the KLIA express to KL Sentral station and "transferred" to the KL monorail. (It's a ten minute walk!) Getting off at Imbi station, the Berjaya Times Square Mall is about 30 steps away. The adult entrance to Cosmo's World is on the 8th floor, and admission was about $14 US. The entrance to Supersonic Odyssey is immediately inside the gate and up an escalator to the 9th floor. There's a story to this park and another for this ride, I even took pics of them, but I won't get into that here. The train is very colorful and has the older Intamin looping style with a spacy theme applied.=20 Out of the station, the train rolls past the train barn (Is there a spare? I dunno, the door was closed!) and curves right and slightly down before curving left again and slightly more steeply down before entering a heartline roll. That's followed by a curve to the right, a left hand u-turn, right again under a few headchoppers, two lefts and the lift. The train actually gets going pretty quick, and the "it's not a jojo roll" is taken quickly enough that you almost don't quite hang on the OTSR's. The lift begins about the sixth floor and goes nearly to the ceiling, a major temperature difference is felt between the ends! The second act is much faster, starting with a small drop off the lift into a tight hairpin left turn about 60 feet in the air. from there you drop and curve to the right with more headchoppers before entering the vertical loop. The loop exits and then rises up into what is either a 90 degree banked or very slightly overbanked left turn through a giant flower, dropping again before entering a corkscrew. Next up is a quick 180 turn and another drop before a quick pop of air as the train rises up and hit the brake run.=20 The rest of the park is mostly kiddy rides with a few others thrown in like a himilaya, a Condor with danglefeet seats and a twin to Fuji-Q's Panic Clock (Sorry, Adam, I couldn't remember what that is!) The theming is wonderful, with a space area and a fantasy area, and wonderfully executed considering the coaster that weaves through the whole place.=20 Moving along, I got back on the Monorail and rode it to the end of the line, Titiwangsa where I changed to a normal elevated subway line, and went one stop to PWTC station. About 200 feet north of here is The Mall. Yup, that's the name. On the top floor of The Mall is Starlight Express, and there seem to be no trains, Andrew Lloyd Weber songs or rollerskating involved in this tiny indoor park at all. What it does have is a bunch of single trailer rides such as a swinging ship, a small sized himilaya and some kiddie rides as well as a bunch of arcade games. If you've ever been to Salisbury Beach, MA, this is like that, but all indoors.=20 Horror Express, a heavily themed Zamperla Tornado, is a very fast powered coaster that does four laps. Each lap is slightly different, in that different gags and stunts operate as the train passes, with the first lap in total darkness. I rode it twice in a row, and was completely dizzy, as it only makes right turns! Fairly cool, but just a bit too fast and dark to actually see all the scenery. After that, I waited half an hour for my ride to Genting Highlands to show up, but I ended up getting siffed by the hotel on it's offered ride, saying it had never been confirmed, even though I have the e-mail! So I ended up paying $60 for a Mercedes limo to drive me up the mountain! I checked in to the First World Hotel, but they said my luggage wasn't there yet, so I headed up into the indoor mall / amusement park and rode Euro Express. This appears to have been renamed and rethemed from Space Odyssey 2020, as there was no coaster by that name. Another Zamperla Tornado, but with a custom track, this was the longest powered coaster I'd ever been on until the next day. Strangely, in the past couple weeks, I've been on five powered coasters! But, if you've been on any of these, you know they aren't terribly exciting, and that concluded my first day of coasting in Malaysia.=20 My luggage was at the bell desk when I got there, and they said it had actually arrived at 9 PM, a full hour before I did!=20 Good Night, and more later. Photos are at RCDB! Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 07:00:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25173 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 15:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 15:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 15:00:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 15:00:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 15:00:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:00:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park & porn star don't mix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gh-iL0bC_QhDnu1pqagupUkwvOqmq93Mvi50k_VMYIAZ--Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sorry, It was just too weird not to post! I wasn't searching for=20 anything "unusual", (meaning that) I was just using my usual search=20 criterium (amusement park, theme park, etc...). Honestly! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote:=20 > Alan, >=20 > What on earth were you searching for when you found this one?!! >=20 > :) > Cameron. From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 07:44:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73933 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 15:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 7524 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2005 15:43:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20051222154328.7522.qmail@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [156.153.255.134] by web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:43:28 PST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:43:28 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Season Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=VRbvTOjX6FiHdHNFqG23IuTs5Mcxm3XqEhDIelFx9gTFqzhsGxBZw1gU X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Coaster pals of mine, May you and your family have a great Season Holiday, full of love, peace and harmony and let 2006 bring you guys enough money, health and days-off to enjoy the new coasters that will come. Best regards from Brazil, Gus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 07:49:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92784 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 15:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 15:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 15:49:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 15:49:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:49:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Legoland California, Sea World San Diego, SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xbdABjmL3tl-LYjFve3xANaqmIVO6ox1wGUhUBGdX1-fn-k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I personally think it's a joke that they still count it as one of their=20 coasters, even though I think I've only see it run once in my life. Do you think that maybe a redesign on the cars, and restaint-system=20 might make it more ridable? (Not ever having ridden it myself, I have=20 no idea.) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 > wrote: >SNIP< The only other closed coaster was=20 > Flashback; does anybody know the last time that was open? I wonder if=20 > the long-term plan is to just leave it there until a buyer comes=20 > along with some money. > Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 08:26:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7587 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 16:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 16:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 16:26:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 16:25:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 16:25:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:25:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Viacom's Last Thrill Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZtaHPr1msffJppBnr167sk--ntgQxKVC9PPz3Fh-C_QIzEc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 22, 2005 Motley Fool Yahoo! Finanace http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/051222/113526187303.html?.v=3D1 By Rick Aristotle Munarriz=20 Why can't some chieftains learn? Last week, speaking before Showtime=20 Arabia in Dubai, Viacom CEO Sumner Redstone indicated that the media=20 conglomerate's amusement park and publishing businesses were on the=20 block. "We have certain assets which give us a lot of cash flow but=20 don't have the growth potential that we are looking for, like the=20 theme parks and Simon & Schuster," he was quoted as saying to the=20 executives and journalists in attendance. "If someone offered us=20 enough money, we would probably sell." I think selling off its book business would be a shame, but I=20 understand the company's need to unlock shareholder value in its non- core assets. However, I think unloading its amusement parks would be=20 a colossal mistake at just about any price. I felt that way earlier this year, when the company first floated the=20 idea of dumping its Paramount Parks chain. The 4 domestic parks and a=20 5th gated attraction in Canada draw roughly 10 million guests a year.=20 Imagine an entertainment company giving up its claim on a captive=20 audience that large. Ludicrous, isn't it? Cedar Fair doesn't have movies or cartoon channels to plug, yet it=20 still carves out a beautiful business. That company's earnings=20 consistency and its knack for raising its annual unit distributions=20 have made it an Income Investor natural. Six Flags is also far=20 removed from when it was a Time Warner property, yet when it put=20 itself up on the block, it was greeted with a lack of interested=20 buyers. Because Viacom has valuable entertainment assets in its hands,=20 amusement parks make even more sense for the company than they do to=20 traditional operators. Ask Disney or General Electric's Universal how=20 important it is to have their global theme parks when it comes time=20 to market their latest flicks. Even Inside Value pick Anheuser-Busch=20 owns a series of parks for the sake of brand ambassadorship, above=20 and beyond the tempting cash flow. Amusement parks are often seen as a regional outing for kids, teens,=20 and young families, and Viacom targets those groups around the clock=20 at MTV, Nickelodeon, and CBS. Parks are a logical connection, and one=20 has to wonder why Viacom would be willing to snip the string that=20 connects the Dixie cups. Cashing out of the amusement park business becomes an even more=20 stupefying option when one realizes that Viacom is also a major=20 player in billboard advertising and radio. How can a company that=20 clearly understands the value of drifting eyeballs on heavily=20 trafficked roadways not make the most of 10 million annual guests=20 that they will own for hours at a time? What's more, parks are sensory experiences, so why isn't more of=20 Viacom's Infinity Broadcasting content and televised material being=20 made available to folks waiting in line on rides? Is Redstone's biggest mistake putting the park chain up for sale or=20 failing to maximize the obvious synergies? It doesn't matter. A buyer=20 at an attractive price is unlikely at this point, because the ideal=20 owner just happens to be the company that owns it already. Poor Viacom. In its rush to split, it seems to have lopped off a good=20 chunk of common sense. Let's hope it grows back. -------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 08:38:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10027 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 16:38:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 16:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 16:36:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:36:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Cedar Fair, L.P. Declares Fourth Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TgOmeRalbkIYcUex8oBBuYo35OXHh8WcZk3KVRXVTsug-oc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 21, 2005 Press Release: Cedar Fair, L.P.=20 PR Newswire Yahoo! Finance SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair, L.P., a publicly traded partnership which=20 owns and operates 7 amusement parks and 5 water parks, today announced=20 the declaration of a regular quarterly cash distribution of $0.46 per=20 limited partner unit, continuing the Partnership's annualized=20 distribution rate of $1.84 per unit. The distribution, which is payable February 15, 2006, to holders of=20 record January 5, 2006, represents the Partnership's 75th consecutive=20 quarterly cash distribution. --------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 09:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52864 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 17:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 17:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 17:23:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 17:22:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 17:22:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:22:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Escape Theme Park, Pasir Ris, Singapore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=SnuXxnQd-xNgGduBh9RjUQSk76rPvfnJVmvn-eAh4Jn7Cy3V8ytp X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Wow... that sounds like it could be the beginning of a thread on "worst=20 amusement parks" or "worst amusement park experiences." Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 09:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11707 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2005 17:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 17:47:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2005 17:45:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:45:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Legoland California, Sea World San Diego, SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=2tSSh3gMXsOPCun9FA985rxLrcW1Ui1Ga3XBuAaVbyFG-cPt85ry X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > I personally think it's a joke that they still count it as one of=20 their=20 > coasters, even though I think I've only see it run once in my life. >=20 > Do you think that maybe a redesign on the cars, and restaint-system=20 > might make it more ridable? (Not ever having ridden it myself, I have=20 > no idea.) I have to tell you, it's been years since I rode it, and I can't=20 remember it very well. I think I rode it twice. Every time I go to=20 SFMM, I tell myself that if somehow Flashback is open, I intend to ride=20 it just to see if it's really that bad. Kind of like how I watched=20 GIGLI on cable (and yes, that movie really did suck). From what I remember, the problem with it is that there's just too many=20 fast hairpin turns. It's certainly possible that a redesign of the=20 restraints could make things easier on people's necks. The problem with designing restraints, I think, is that by and large=20 they're one-size-fits-all, and people come in all sorts of shapes and=20 sizes. My fiancee is about 5'2" and her complaint with OTS restraints=20 is that they tend to batter her ears during the rides. I'm 5'9" and=20 tend to have more problems with OTS restraints being uncomfortable=20 around my shoulders. I'm sure taller people would have other problems. Along those lines, I think I figured out how not to get beaten up on=20 Psyclone. Essentially, I plant my lower body firmly into the seat, hold=20 onto the bar in front of me, and relax the rest of my upper body. That=20 ride becomes interactive in a sense, becoming a challenge for the rider=20 to figure out a way not to get worked over. Out of the entire park,=20 though, the Psyclone operators seemed to be having the most fun,=20 exacting a certain sadistic glee over the groaning of the exiting=20 passengers. I also noticed that Riddler's Revenge, as wonderful of a ride as it is,=20 doesn't really provide a very comfortable place for your two feet.=20 Riders on the outside edge have to put their outer foot up somewhere,=20 and riders on the inside have to figure out some way around the hump in=20 the middle of the train. So I ended up riding with my left foot planted=20 on the floor and my right foot up a little bit on the center hump. This=20 worked out fine, though, as I managed to support my weight with my feet=20 and not experience the problems one encounters if one tries to ride the=20 seat like a bicycle. I think it had been a while since I'd been on RR--- of the various multi-element looping coasters at SFMM, it definitely=20 sets itself apart as the king. It's very long, there's that loop around=20 the lift hill, plus that weird inclined loop. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Dec 22 16:05:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46316 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 00:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 00:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 00:05:18 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jBN03FG6013694 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:03:15 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:03:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:03:10 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 00:03:15.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[45A55BF0:01C60754] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Anyone played with the Roller Coaster Tycoon Construction Set? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=XzbBVJN34jaE2N2pY21oJVYfnVasvAqND8rbBhiAdCz5lqmx X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Friend of mine pointed this out to me today: http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp?pn=3119611&bhcd2=1135296437 Anyone actually played with one? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Dec 22 16:13:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31797 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 00:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 00:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 00:13:23 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id jBN0CxCP012242 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:12:59 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:12:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <379CE501-B456-4ED6-9C80-6D481A7A0966@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:12:59 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 00:12:59.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1A7EF70:01C60755] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anyone played with the Roller Coaster Tycoon Construction Set? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4MKRq413AdHu7FzlyYiiAyaC3tmEd2YgiXly9RxP3mckYWJS X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi again, Sorry to follow-up to myself.. Here is their official site: http://www.miniatureamusements.com/index2.asp It's easily the worst website on the entire internet, but there are some cool pictures in there, if you can stand it long enough without your eyes bleeding.. I mean, what the heck were they thinking?!! Cameron (how hopes Flash soon becomes illegal) Silver. On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi, > > Friend of mine pointed this out to me today: > http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp? > pn=3119611&bhcd2=1135296437 > > Anyone actually played with one? > > Cameron. > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey > * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! > * / //\ > **************************************************************** > \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. > * \, > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Dec 22 19:40:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11573 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 03:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 03:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 03:40:01 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.2bc.22ef74d (58435) for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:32:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2bc.22ef74d.30dcc9bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:32:11 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Season Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all coaster riders out there! May the new year bring you joy, happiness, and many more coasters to your coaster list! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 20:40:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43619 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 04:40:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 04:38:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 04:38:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:38:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.91 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Escape Theme Park, Pasir Ris, Singapore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zUXAYBHr6oO83sRo2WaNNs0_OrgHE1nqE_4upW--cNeb1fFeag X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I try to never bash simply for the sake of bashing. This place deserved negative attention. It made the worst of 6F seem well managed by comparison.=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > Wow... that sounds like it could be the beginning of a thread on "worst=20 > amusement parks" or "worst amusement park experiences." >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 00:08:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90046 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 08:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 08:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 08:08:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 08:04:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 08:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 08:04:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:04:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.91 From: "Chris" Subject: Malaysian Coaster Madness Pt. 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=IaG0Hp1ppt1-SAxBqKbB3g8ON8dxTo4z3maTJ52494sfjpijtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 On the 9th of December, I woke up early because Genting Highlands Outdoor Amusement Park (I swear that's the name!) opens at 8 AM! I had breakfast at McD's in FWP under track for last night's Euro Express, today's Flying Dragon coaster and next to the station for the Rolling Thunder Mine Train (RTMT). It seems that the FWP used to be the indoor portion of the amusement park.=20 After breakfast, I wandered over to the main entrance for the park and waited a few minutes to be the first person to buy my ticket/wristband. I paid 34 ringgit, which is like 10 USD for a 1 day pass to just the outdoor park. At this early hour, many of the rides weren't operating yet due to wet conditions, mostly from being socked in by clouds. Incidentally, it was much cooler at this park's elevation, although it did warm up as the day wore on.=20 I didn't mention what was in FWP besides the coaster, and I'll mention the other attractions here. Several were upcharge attractions. Ferris wheel, sky dive simulator, 2 sets of bumper cars, overhead monorail, mini-monorail, full size monorail station, kiddy cars a carousel movie theater, rock climbing wall, "Snow World", and a bowling alley.=20 Back outside, the entrance of the park opens into a plaza flanked by the other monorail station, another carousel and a chair swing. at the rear of the plaza is a green house, a toboggan ride (I exceeded the 40 Kg weight limit by a sizable margin) and Cyclone, a Pinfari Z40, which is the oldest and first roller coaster in the country. Still closed, I continued along the low side of the park. The high portion of the park is connected by two banks of escalators and stairways. The whole park isn't level by any definition, and some portions of this park are definitely indoors!=20 Moving along the lake, there's tea cups, a telecombat, a western themed frog-hopper, flying elephants, bumper boats, row and paddle boats, a children's playground, an indoor showstage and a closed dark ride with a pirate theme. I worked my way out the back gate of the park to the Flying Coaster, a Zamperla Volare which is a 10 ringgit upcharge ride. It was test operating, but ended up being closed until after noon for maintanence issues.=20 Re-entering the park, I located the entrances for the antique cars, miniature railroad and RTMT all under First World Plaza and across the "underground" entrance to the hotel. The flume ride and RTMT shared a queue area and a common entrance.=20 I worked my way along the other side of the lake and found the entrances to the Flying Dragon and the Arena of Stars. I missed Michael Bolton by one week, thank heavens! As there still weren't any rides operating, I crossed the entrance plaza and went up the escalator where there is a space simulator ride, a medium sized ferris wheel, a S&S turbo drop, 3 kiddy rides, the park's Corkscrew with bayerncurve, a go-kart track and a jungle cruis themed to dinosaur exploration that only operated one boat, resulting in rediculous hour plus wait times.=20 The Go-karts were open, so after signing a waiver, (!) sitting through a safety brief and donning a motorcycle helmet, I proceeded to lap nearly the whole field of 12 karts! At some point, this park must have been named Magic Mountain, as the now disassembled gondola ride's station had that name painted on its wall. During my walk around the park, I shot many pictures and Duane has posted several over at RCDB.=20 I ended up riding all the coasters, but had to wait for each to open. I had short waits of less than 10 minutes for everything except the flyer. The only notable items are:=20=20 Cyclone and Corkscrew have had recent overhauls and paint jobs.=20 This was the smoothest Vekoma cork I've been on.=20 Flying Dragon is a very, very long custom powered coaster clocking more than 90 seconds for the single lap. It used to have two stations, one inside FWP. RTMT is 95% indoors. After riding most everything in the park, I camped in front of the flyer. Then I got lunch. I camped again. Finally the park manager decided that the last item the maintanence crew was working on (two cars had restraints that wouldn't stay locked) could be fixed on the spur track and directed the ride to open with 4 of 6 cars.=20 I bought 3 tickets, as this was my first Volare. This copy has red track with blue supports. The cars are red with blue wheel assemblies and have a silver-grey web pattern that makes me wonder if one of the Universal Studios parks backed out of a Spiderman themed Volare and Genting picked it up without changing the color scheme.=20 The ride is very quiet. When testing the only sound was when the "eggbeater" tapped the train to begin driving it up the lift spiral. There was no wheel/rail sound and no noise to the brakes either. Once passengers began boarding, screams were abundant, but the ride itself was silent. I was on the first car, and I really liked it. I found the step spacing a bit uncomfortable for my height, but aside from that, I found nothing to complain about.=20 After 3 trips, I picked up my suitcase from the bell desk and caught a city bus back down the mountain to Titiwangsa station. From there, a single transfer and then to the end of the line before catching a taxi (or city bus) to Sunway Lagoon.=20 Genting sits on a hill, Sunway sits in a bowl. It was really a weird contrast between the two parks. Genting was cool and pleasant, Sunway was hot and humid.=20 I arrived at Sunway Pyramid, a decent sized shopping mall with an ice skating rink on the third basement level. The park was entered by going down to the second basement level, crossing through the parking garage and crossing a construction zone for an expansion to the mall. When the construction is done, it will be just a few steps from the mall to the park, but for now it's a bit odd. I left my suitcase at the bell desk for one of the two hotels that adjoin the mall and went into the park. It was 32 ringgit for access to the wet and dry parks, but I knew I wasn't interested in the water park and was a bit pressed for time. The dry park ticket was 24 ringgit @$6.50 US!=20 The dry park has two zones, Adventure World and Wild Wild West, but the zones overlap with rides themed to one in the other area.=20 There is a Conestoga Wagon themed ferris wheel straight out of RCT, a raging river, a pirate themed looping ship, a log flume, carousel, Apache Pots (teacups), another panic clock themed to tomahawks, swan boats and a few other rides.=20 Notable is a suspension bridge that stretches over the entire water park 428 meters from end to end. I got about 1/3 of the way across that before someone decided that it would be cool to stop using boards and start using steel grating. Yeah, I like coasters, but not heights, so I was done right there. The park has two coasters, a well themed powered coaster called Buffalo Bill Coaster that shares theming with the log flume and a custom layout.=20 The second coaster is a mine train called City of Lost Gold that like the mine train at Genting is from Soquet, a smaller builder from France. This one turned out to be quite fun as it had two airtime hills and a short enclosed section. The ride ops were very friendly and allowed me to shoot POV and all around the station including the operator's booth. I rode this one several times. Under the station and the coaster was actually a tiger enclosure and a museum containing limestone formations called scholar rocks.=20 When I was done here, I caught another taxi from the hotel that held my bag and took the subway back to KL Sentral station then transferred to the KLIA express for Kuala Lumpur International Airport. My flight to Tokyo wasn't too bad, about 9.5 hours with a stop at Kota Kinabalu on Borneo!=20 Chris B Next, a mini-TR for Funtastic Park in Guam From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 01:05:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3685 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 09:05:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 09:05:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2005 09:05:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:05:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.232.66 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Malaysian Coaster Madness Pt. 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=gOA6Qqt4lbMDthgD9R9CnMTio5unnXfKZ1iNpSkk4xbbW2kMTNjF X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Genting Highlands Outdoor Amusement Park (I swear that's the name!) ...=20 > I arrived at Sunway Pyramid, a decent sized shopping mall=20 ... > Next, a mini-TR for Funtastic Park in Guam These trip reports are great! These reports are likely to be the only way most of us experience these places. Thanks a lot for doing this. And thanks to everybody else for providing trip reports, news, and other info from around the world of coasters and amusement parks. As of only a couple of years ago, I was completely in the dark on this hobby despite taking quite a few visits to local parks in my lifetime. Ain't the internet grand? Adam From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 08:57:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25068 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 16:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2005 16:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 16:57:23 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpqD7-00089Q-SJ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43AC2C27.7050309@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:56:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825f31e6d94474a6a91bbc7f15ff93bdadf5750147df839bf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Legoland California, Sea World San Diego, SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8NMfzcftulBlQhETuEA4b5srsXqN6mpy42ZeTOnPtgYYDjo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Regarding Flashback at SFMM: Alan wrote: > I personally think it's a joke that they still count it as one of their > coasters, even though I think I've only see it run once in my life. It is a joke. I've heard several reports that it doesn't even have a power supply running to the coaster anymore, which means they couldn't even open it up if they wanted to without doing some major work in that area. But I haven't heard anything about it being for sale, so I doubt that's an option. But then I doubt anyone would want it anyways. > > Do you think that maybe a redesign on the cars, and restaint-system > might make it more ridable? (Not ever having ridden it myself, I have > no idea.) I tend to doubt it. The OTSR's pound the snot out of your head, but with the sharp snap turns on it, I'm not sure if it would be an option to remove them or if it would snap a person's neck and head around to hard without them. The lap bars aren't much better and bang your knees and legs around pretty bad to. Personally, I think they should scrap it, chalk it up as a loss, and put a couple of flats into that area. It would be a heck of a lot nicer, more popular, and do the park a world of good in that area. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Dec 24 12:30:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35448 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2005 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A79A9A86 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:30:35 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86BFBC41-250B-454E-9251-5AE684AA207A@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Coaster Talk Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:30:35 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Modern Marvels - Sunday (12/25) 8pm (Eastern).. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=42pcKtiaDw2aobmsZpOkYj81r8ezWGxYxtBOGRPKDbm-_Kex X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, History Channel is showing a special two-hour long episode of Modern Marvels about Disney World .. featuring back stage and behind the scenes. It begins at 8pm (Eastern time) on Sunday evening 12/25. Happy Holidays! Cameron. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:06:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20136 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 19:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 19:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 19:06:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:06:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <379CE501-B456-4ED6-9C80-6D481A7A0966@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anyone played with the Roller Coaster Tycoon Construction Set? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9gNAssKCNYihSJ2wjr8pBrcmiJZ3tzv4UZtMMJCCUPTkjMs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I didn't even know it existed! Thanks for the link. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > Hi again, > Sorry to follow-up to myself.. >=20 > Here is their official site: > http://www.miniatureamusements.com/index2.asp >=20 > It's easily the worst website on the entire internet, but there are=20=20 > some cool pictures in there, if you can stand it long enough without=20=20 > your eyes bleeding.. I mean, what the heck were they thinking?!! >=20 > Cameron (how hopes Flash soon becomes illegal) Silver. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Dec 27 11:19:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20679 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 19:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 19:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 19:19:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:19:06 -0000 Date: 27 Dec 2005 19:19:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1135711145.522.85658.w109@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: This is kind of an unofficial followup to Mitch Hawker's coaster poll. Of the 25 top-ranked wooden coasters, which one is your personal favorite? o #1: Balder, Liseberg o #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood o #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce o #4: Tremors, Silverwood o #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland o #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's o #7: Hades, Mount Olympus o #8: Rampage, Visionland o #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls o #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure o #11: Raven, Holiday World o #12: Colossos, Heide Park o #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City o #14: Megafobia, Oakwood o #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach o #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood o #17: The Legend, Holiday World o #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE o #19: Grand National, Blackpool o #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm o #21: Comet, Great Escape o #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland o #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix o #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's o #25: Cyclone, Astroland To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2086426 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Dec 27 11:27:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1129 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 19:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 19:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 19:27:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:26:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:26:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:26:21 -0000 Date: 27 Dec 2005 19:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1135711579.264.66197.w115@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: Of the 25 top-ranked wooden coasters on Mitch Hawker's coaster poll, which have you ridden? Mark all coasters you have ridden at least once in your life. o #1: Balder, Liseberg o #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood o #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce o #4: Tremors, Silverwood o #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland o #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's o #7: Hades, Mount Olympus o #8: Rampage, Visionland o #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls o #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure o #11: Raven, Holiday World o #12: Colossos, Heide Park o #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City o #14: Megafobia, Oakwood o #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach o #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood o #17: The Legend, Holiday World o #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE o #19: Grand National, Blackpool o #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm o #21: Comet, Great Escape o #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland o #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix o #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's o #25: Cyclone, Astroland To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2086431 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:44:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30267 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 19:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2005 19:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 19:44:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2005 19:44:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:44:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1135711145.522.85658.w109@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=h6TuOZ-_NRaUsrkKUcHfsb7DwSWUewtmNR4wfSxaOADwJ7W5Qtt0 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > o #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix=20 Incidentally, it's interesting how this coaster has dropped all the way=20 down to #23 after having spent three years at the top from 1999-2001,=20 and the two years before that at #2. Was this a ride that people=20 overrated because it was in Europe? Has it not aged well? Did=20 enthusiasm for it mellow after more people had added it to their tally? I can't speak for it myself, never having set foot in Europe. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 18:44:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59000 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 02:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 02:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 02:44:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:44:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 02:44:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:44:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1135711579.264.66197.w115@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.81 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Uvvj5BrkddVhwKuhUSJh92PZ3rJULrv87IMdnFVmZW_MQbjrxg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > Of the 25 top-ranked wooden coasters on Mitch Hawker's coaster poll, which have you ridden? Mark all coasters you have ridden at least once in your life.=20 >=20 > o #1: Balder, Liseberg=20 > o #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood=20 > o #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce=20 > o #4: Tremors, Silverwood=20 > o #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland=20 > o #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's=20 > o #7: Hades, Mount Olympus=20 > o #8: Rampage, Visionland=20 > o #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls=20 > o #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure=20 > o #11: Raven, Holiday World=20 > o #12: Colossos, Heide Park=20 > o #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City=20 > o #14: Megafobia, Oakwood=20 > o #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach=20 > o #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood=20 > o #17: The Legend, Holiday World=20 > o #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE=20 > o #19: Grand National, Blackpool=20 > o #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm=20 > o #21: Comet, Great Escape=20 > o #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland=20 > o #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix=20 > o #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's=20 > o #25: Cyclone, Astroland=20 I was surprised, of the seven coasters on this list that I've ridden, four are outside the US! I feel like one of those snooty ACEr's you hear about!=20 Chris B I have SO got to do another coaster trip in the US! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Dec 27 19:05:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62666 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.29a.2c98229 (15887) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hal3000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp01349606pcs.lowmrn01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.226.204]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f43b200b7279; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:04:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:04:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43B200B5.5050300@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.80.226.204 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=WTTxZuFJ0ZuXG9JnFVAxnZsz8P9BDBxOb-wgumELUhDdHjFyTg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 12/27/2005, 9:44 PM: > > I was surprised, of the seven coasters on this list that I've ridden, > four are outside the US! I feel like one of those snooty ACEr's you > hear about! > > Chris B > > I have SO got to do another coaster trip in the US! No, that is cool. We all know what you are doing, join the Navy, see the world, ride lots of coasters many of us will never see. It is a fringe benefit. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw!" From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13260 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 03:48:45 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so1440779nzn for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.98.15 with SMTP id a15mr2033893qbm; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30512271948r14c375b5n7da5743ed8f1565f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:48:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1135711579.264.66197.w115@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Ul5kxsYVEAhV5gW4kWmEV80ya4riLRWbUVzpBPxGJpld4ArK X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 12/27/05, Chris wrote: > I was surprised, of the seven coasters on this list that I've ridden, > four are outside the US! I feel like one of those snooty ACEr's you > hear about! Only 7? Slacker. Mine are all domestic, but I've got 14 ;) Beth From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 20:15:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23640 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 04:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 04:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 04:15:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 04:13:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 04:13:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:13:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30512271948r14c375b5n7da5743ed8f1565f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.140.150.102 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=JqEXMM44v6OwVnBOpKAAJlJSLZ9G4tEvldDrS6tSwBOBq_FlEN6X X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: > Only 7? Slacker. Mine are all domestic, but I've got 14 ;) What about Coaster in that faraway foreign land of Canada? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:26:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5254 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 04:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 04:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.201) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 04:26:14 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1227070wri for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.124.7 with SMTP id b7mr2216456qbn; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:26:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30512272026j1b6bb82aw93a4d4f6be51bbe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:26:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30512271948r14c375b5n7da5743ed8f1565f@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=6LGYNdb1HskrXUoLt6bfNg489V6bb1BbLmmvJEBEuCr1dUFy X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Ok, mostly domestic On 12/27/05, adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson > wrote: > > > Only 7? Slacker. Mine are all domestic, but I've got 14 ;) > > What about Coaster in that faraway foreign land of Canada? > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 11:07:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90006 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 19:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 19:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 19:07:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:07:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:07:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Christmas tree catches fire at Disneyland hotel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jdGdj5iGrSI-h-eIqLRDvJllcCi5sbWyvYlE6R3pftdFZ3c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 28, 2005 ASSOCIATED PRESS Sign On San Diego http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20051228-0526-ca- disneylandhotelfire.html ANAHEIM, CA =96 A 35' Christmas tree caught fire in the lobby of the=20 Disneyland Grand Californian Hotel early Wednesday but nobody=20 suffered serious injuries, a fire official said. The hotel's=20 sprinkler system kept the 3 a.m. blaze in check and firefighters were=20 able to quickly put it out, said Maria Sabol, a spokeswoman for the=20 Anaheim Fire Department. The 745-room hotel in the center of the DL Resort was at full=20 capacity with about 2,300 guests, said Rob Doughty, the resort's VP=20 of communications. They were evacuated to 3 locations in and around=20 the park, and hotel officials hoped to get them back into their rooms=20 by 7 a.m. Pacific Time, he said. Guest Lee Crice of Phoenix told KTLA-TV that he saw the top 6' of the=20 tree were ablaze as he fled through the hotel lobby after being=20 awakened by the fire alarm. TV footage showed firefighters spraying=20 water on the artificial tree and gray smoke wafting through the=20 cavernous lobby. About 18 firefighters responded to the alarm, Sabol said. The cause=20 of the fire is under investigation, she said. 2 guests were treated at the scene for minor injuries and released,=20 Doughty said. One complained of a strained back and the other of=20 stress symptoms from the evacuation, he said. ---------- Copyright 2005 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 11:24:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60395 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 19:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 19:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 19:24:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:22:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:22:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:22:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park attendance rose 4.2% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pJ_MznCQ-fwrUm5lEJEktH_JExUqLaYLjV9XMqoz5G8fiy4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 27, 2005 The Standard-Times Associated Press South Coast Today http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-27-05/a11bu801.htm By MIKE SCHNEIDER ORLANDO, FL -- Attendance at North America's 50 most popular=20 amusement parks rose 4.2% in 2005, powered by strong investment in=20 new rides, the 50th anniversary of Disneyland and a hurricane season=20 that bypassed the theme park capital of Orlando. An estimated 176 million visitors went to North America's most=20 popular parks, according to an annual survey released yesterday by=20 the trade publication Amusement Business and the research firm=20 Economics Research Associates. Attendance was off at 2 Ohio facilities in the publication's list of=20 the top 25 best-attended North American amusement parks. Paramount's=20 Kings Island in southwest Ohio had 3.3 million visitors in 2005 to=20 place 16th, but was down 5.1% overall. Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH, had 3.1 million, good enough for 18th=20 but off 2% from last year. Worldwide, amusement park attendance increased 2.2% to 253 million=20 visitors in 2005. Most major parks don't release their attendance figures, but the AB=20 numbers are considered the most reliable estimates in the industry. The Cedar Fair parks saw attendance rise 1.6%. But its California- based Knott's Berry Farm park declined 3%, mainly because of a rainy=20 first quarter, and its flagship Cedar Point park in Ohio declined=20 despite the introduction of the maXair ride. CP planned to lower admission prices by $5 a ticket, a=20 counterintuitive move in an industry that annually raises its prices.=20 The goal is to have more people go through the turnstiles in a market=20 that has struggled economically with layoffs in the automotive=20 industry, said Brian Witherow, a CF VP. The Sandusky-based park's 3=20 biggest markets are Detroit, Cleveland and Toledo, OH. "Clearly, we=20 can't control things like gas prices and unemployment rates in our=20 core market ... but one thing we can control is the admission price,"=20 Witherow said. Neither a rainy spring in California nor a parade of destructive=20 hurricanes in the southeast slowed down growth in the $10 billion=20 industry, which had strong momentum from last year, the first year=20 attendance had increased since the 2001 attacks hobbled the U.S.=20 tourism and travel industry. Those parks that acquired new rides in 2005 saw their investments pay=20 off while those parks that had an off-year in their capital=20 investment cycle, for the most part, experienced attendance dips,=20 said James Zoltak, editor of AB. Universal's 2 parks in Orlando, Universal Studios and Islands of=20 Adventures, each saw declines of 8.5%, while attendance at US=20 Hollywood dipped 6%. All 3 parks came off strong attendance increases=20 in 2004 and the parks in 2005 didn't introduce an excitement- generating thrill ride comparable to 2004's Revenge of the Mummy ride. Tom Schroder, a Universal spokesman, said 2004's highflying=20 attendance figures were a tough act to follow. "The bar was raised so=20 incredibly high for us by spectacular attendance in 2004, combined=20 with a very competitive environment to higher gas prices," Schroder=20 said. "2005 was just slightly less great than 2004." AB also said a worldwide marketing juggernaut highlighting the 50th=20 anniversary of DL at Disney's parks around the world may also have=20 siphoned off some attendance at the Universal parks. The Walt Disney Co.'s 4 parks in Florida and 2 parks in California=20 benefited from the celebration with new rides, stage shows and=20 parades. The Florida parks had attendance increases of between 5- 6.5%, while DL and Disney's California Adventure in Anaheim, Ca.=20 respectively saw growth of 8.5% and 3.6%. The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World in Orlando, with 16.1 million=20 visitors, and DL in California, with 14.5 million visitors, were not=20 only the 2 most visited parks in North America in 2005, but they were=20 the best-attended parks in the world. In North America, the remaining=20 top 5 spots were filled out with Disney's other Florida parks: Epcot,=20 Disney-MGM Studios and Animal Kingdom. Disney parks in the United States, Japan and France took up the top 8=20 spots in attendance worldwide. Six Flags Inc., which invested $135 million in new rides around the=20 nation for the 2005 season, was rewarded with a 5.7% increase across=20 the chain, according to AB. The opening of a water park at its 6F=20 Great America park in Gurnee, Ill. helped boost attendance by 24%. Anheuser Busch-owned parks saw sharp increases at locations with new=20 thrill rides. Busch Gardens Tampa Bay added the Sheikra ride this=20 year and saw an attendance boost of 5.1%, while Busch Gardens in=20 Williamsburg, Va. added the DarKastle thrill ride and had 8.3% jump. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 11:30:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68159 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 19:30:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:28:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:28:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Loose change adds up for 2 Sandusky charities X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1Y5bwBAceIO-qG6UPTNtTIyinjPccksxJyaVXKVIz1QiU3w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 27, 2005 The Toledo Blade http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20051227/NEWS08/51227010/-1/NEWS SANDUSKY, OH -=97 Cedar Point will donate nearly $13,000 from the=20 amusement park's "loose change fund" to 2 Sandusky-area charities,=20 park officials have announced. The park plans to donate nearly $7,500 to the American Red Cross=20 Firelands Chapter's local disaster relief fund and more than $5,300=20 to the Victory Temple Soup Kitchen. "These are 2 very worthwhile=20 organizations," said John Hildebrandt, GM of CP. "Their mission is to=20 help people in need. Our employees take great satisfaction in knowing=20 the money they collect and turn in goes to help people who really=20 need it." The donated funds were collected in 2004 and 2005 from underneath=20 CP's rides, along the midway, and in the park's water fountain. --------- =A9 2005 The Blade From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 11:35:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87659 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2005 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2005 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 19:35:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2005 19:34:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:34:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Universal theme park calling all 'Earls' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rWMUcdQ4_j9X1FgoICAqnEoICAhZKhCRwsTYSePCuZOebY0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dec. 27, 2005 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20051227-012814-2953r LOS ANGELES, CA -- Hollywood's Universal Studios theme park Tuesday=20 announced free admission throughout the month of January to anyone=20 whose name is Earl. The promotion is aimed at drawing attention to the move of NBC's=20 popular new comedy "My Name is Earl" from Tuesday to Thursday nights=20 starting Jan. 5. NBC Universal notes the Los Angeles area alone has about=20 10,000 "Earls." In addition to free admission to the theme park, each Earl passing=20 through the gates during the first 31 days of 2006 will get an=20 official "My Name is Earl" T-shirt. ------ Copyright 2005 United Press International, Inc. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 00:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11795 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 08:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 08:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 08:11:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 08:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 08:10:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 08:10:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:10:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43B200B5.5050300@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.210 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=j45Dz5YF8SBYGMAqt4-ik9PKWy92jfvSkg1H0RA7-zPmM_e2Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: >=20 > No, that is cool. We all know what you are doing, join the Navy, see=20 > the world, ride lots of coasters many of us will never see. It is a=20 > fringe benefit. >=20 > --=20 > Nathan Brown Thank you, but don't for a second think that I'd ever recommend the navy as a travel program to ANYONE! Chris B Oh, and Bethtoons? :P From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 10:30:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41137 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:30:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:27:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:27:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=934u9bhPFNk9vqzCQGPNKlaJBUTlj2wAbAwDyv2PRHTpZ2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 But Chris, Just think of the sacrifices you're making for the worldwide Roller=20 Coaster Community! ;p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: >SNIP< > Thank you, but don't for a second think that I'd ever recommend the > navy as a travel program to ANYONE! >=20 > Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 10:45:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85168 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:45:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:43:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:43:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A former Forest Park carousel is up for auction. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DmTmQNQcNxYzCf4dLaEkeAPDMQoDhRfvVvRx1d2zvTG_kXw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/27/2005 York Daily Record http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_3348128 By CHRISTINA KRISTOFIC Houston, TX -=97 The classic carousel that traveled from Hanover to=20 Houston is now headed for destinations unknown. But if anyone is interested in purchasing it, they'll have their=20 chance when amusement-park memorabilia from Six Flags AstroWorld in=20 Houston goes up for sale at an auction in 2 weeks. Just don't expect a bargain price on the carousel that once spun=20 circles at the former Forest Park amusement park on Baltimore Street=20 in Hanover. 6F has placed a $1.2-million reserve on the carousel, said=20 spokesperson Debbie Evans. The carousel won't be sold unless it=20 fetches the reserve price or higher. The carousel was sold to AstroWorld after FP closed in 1967. 6FAW, which is owned by Oklahoma City-based 6F Inc., closed this=20 fall. An auction of 6FAW's contents will begin at 9 a.m. Jan. 6 and=20 end Jan. 8, according to 6FAW's auction Web site. Bids will be accepted by e-mail and can be sent to apiccola@sftp.com. All auction items are sold as is, and winning bidders must arrange=20 shipment. Former AW owner Roy Hofheinz, a former mayor and judge who built the=20 Houston Astrodome, purchased the carousel after FP closed, according=20 to Kent Maulsby, director of maintenance for 6FAW. Maulsby researched the carousel on the Internet and in carousel books=20 and figured out that the 6FAW carousel is actually made up of 2=20 carousels. The main structure was hand-carved and built by Dentzel Carousel in=20 the early 1920s. But several non-moving horses on the present-day=20 carousel came from the defunct Pen Mar Park in Maryland. That park was built by the Western Maryland Railroad as a weekend=20 destination and run by 2 entrepreneurs, William Libby and August=20 Karst. The carousel there, built by Daniel Muller, had only non- moving horses. Maulsby said he knows some of the horses are from the Pen Mar=20 carousel because he found the initials "LK" carved in them,=20 apparently standing for Libby and Karst. He later found pictures of=20 the Pen Mar carousel and identified several horses now on the=20 carousel in Houston. Maulsby suspects those horses got on the carousel in Hanover. Karst's son, also named August, worked at FP. When Pen Mar closed in=20 the mid-1940s, the younger Karst might have borrowed some of the=20 horses from his father's carousel, Maulsby said. ---------- =A9 York Daily Record From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 10:49:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42264 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:49:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:49:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 18:49:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:49:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: AstroWorld Auction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Pmr-PrnKVvqEbMfuDGGxBKB3N-RcS0NDtvLbGVNQ7VxwXxs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey y'all, Here is the link to the official Six Flags AstroWorld auction site. http://www.astroworldauction.com/ It contains all kinds of pictures of stuff being sold. If you happen to have deep pockets, I'm sure some of this would make=20 great stocking-stuffers! -Alan From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 11:39:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61474 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 19:39:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 19:38:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 19:38:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:38:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: AstroWorld Auction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=_0-ZmOITcYYVx-T-NZBj6i-hOpvTW8w-6w4xrqmEpRmiWBcNnRJ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Hey y'all, > Here is the link to the official Six Flags AstroWorld auction site. >=20 > http://www.astroworldauction.com/ I see they're listing several of the coasters. Let's hope they find a=20 good home and don't just end up in a scrap heap. I wonder if this means=20 that Six Flags is keeping the unlisted coasters and moving them=20 elsewhere. It'd be a shame to lose the only pipeline twister in North=20 America, just for its uniqueness. Also, when did Astroworld get their Looping Starship? Was it the one=20 called Z-Force at Magic Mountain that they removed to put in Batman:=20 The Ride? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 13:50:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57183 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 21:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 21:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 21:50:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2005 21:50:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:50:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.10.210 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=PzVDEKwhUuXJiVn3YqmQ-s-dGYm_F9qtRewyFhrao2rkLbY73w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Now you're just poking fun!=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > But Chris, > Just think of the sacrifices you're making for the worldwide Roller=20 > Coaster Community! ;p > -Alan >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: > >SNIP< > > Thank you, but don't for a second think that I'd ever recommend the > > navy as a travel program to ANYONE! > >=20 > > Chris B > From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Dec 29 19:17:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64556 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so1221784wxc for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.26.15 with SMTP id 15mr4592228wxz; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:17:32 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini-TR: Mundo Divertido and Belmont Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=Q8igRXfCbOvO5GjNBCRUuVhWsiGammR5i5Y5bl8ABg_0Gybds9NdD84 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Parks: Mundo Divertido and Belmont Park The Date: Thursday, December 29, 2005 The Weather: Mostly clear skies. Warm. The Reason: Never been to Mundo Divertido, and it's right across the Mexican border while I live in San Diego, so we thought we'd check it out. After that, we figured we'd swing by Belmont Park. The Crowds: Nonexistant (MD), Medium (BP) The People: My dad and I This will be a short TR. Anyways, like I said we might, we decided to check out Mundo Divertido (http://www.rcdb.com/pd617.htm) after just recently finding out about this small park just south of the border, in the tourist district of Tijuana. An online article I found said it should cost $1.40 per ride, and their hours are supposed to be from noon to 9 pm on weekdays and on weekends, well, it doesn't really matter. We'll get to that. We crossed the border around 12:15, got on the freeway, and just stuck to the right, getting off after crossing the river at the Rio Zona, or something to that effect. After driving down the road and straight through 3 round-abouts we came to where Mundo Divertido should be, off to the left. Hmm, but I didn't see any roller coasters. The buildings and surroundings look familiar from the photos on Google-Earth and www.rcdb.com, but alas, where is the park? As we made the U-turn and started toward the fenced it lot, it became obvious: it's not there anymore. We drove around the weed infested lot a bit, and the murals painted on the still standing buildings seemed to confirm that this was the park we were searching for. Finally, one mural near the front of the lot even clearly stated something about Mundo Divertido's 10th Anniversary. Oh well. Anyways, in short, it looks like the park has been demolished for at least a few months now. Most of the buildings are still standing, and the go-cart track is still sort of visible, but there isn't any evidence of rides and the lot is in bad shape. I wonder what happened to the place. I mentioned it to Duane at www.rcdb.com, and he says that it was open in November, so I must have just mised it. In fact, if I'd gone right when I'd found out about it, I probably could've gotten three credits. So after that we drove back the way we came, waited about 30 minutes at the border crossing, and were back in the US by around 1:30. We then headed over to Belmont Park in Mission Beach (http://www.rcdb.com/pd44.htm). I've done many TR's for this park before, so I won't do as much of a play-by-play this time. We got enough tickets for us both to have 2 rides on the Giant Dipper (http://www.rcdb.com/ig203.htm) (4 tickets, costing a hefty $20.00), and took our first. We sat in the back of the second to last car of the Morgan train. The only part that I felt was fairly rough was at the bottom of the first turn/drop, but aside from that it was pretty fun. I noticed they have a lot of wood piled up in the turnaround next to the intersection, so they're probably getting ready for the retracking. After that I got my camera out of the car while my dad went to look at the waves (both real and artificial) and I got some photos of the Giant Dipper, Chaos (the first time I've seen it operating, but I didn't feel like riding it), Beach Blaster (their new inverted Frisbee thing, which I rode a couple times the last time I was there, so I didn't feel it was necessary to go on it this time), and the old roller coaster car in their museum and the one I noticed for the first time across the street in front of the Coaster Saloon. After comparing the two and some photos that were in the museum, it looks like the one in the museum has either been greatly restored or is just from a different coaster, because it's quite a bit different from the ones in the photos. On the other hand, the car across the street looks more like the ones in the photos, but it's just in bad shape. So does anyone know what the deal is with the one in the museum? Did they have another train? Anyways, I took quite a few pictures of those two in case I try to make a model of it's old car. Once I was done taking photos I found my dad and we took our ride in the very last row of the train. Still pretty fun. Also, the past few times I've gone on the Giant Dipper I've felt a noticeable shimmy just before the final bunny hops. It looks and feels almost like the track was banked just before a small drop just so that the car would tilt a little bit, like on a trick-track. It's not painful or anything, it's just unusual and I've been wondering if it's intentional. From there we headed back home, and I got to see JTA again, though I have still never ridden that thing. If I'd never gone on Poseidon I'd probably be more excited about it, but I haven't felt like going to SeaWorld mainly just for Journey to Atlantis can really justify the cost of the ticket since both rides look so similar. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MrStratosphere@aol.com Fri Dec 30 01:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45520 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:21:12 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.198.4db6ab6e (58550) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:13:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <198.4db6ab6e.30e65429@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:13:13 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: High Roller's Last Day EVER! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=z_qoLZUT_lTj1AWBuaxuBWMDb-aNKO5XLnVTcS4TS-uBtQA_8Drz X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Bit of Sad News The rollercoaster world is going to be losing the World's Highest Roller Coaster!!!!! High Roller: Opend: April 30th, 1996 Closed: December 31, 2005 1:30AM RIP High Roller Hey everyone, Tonight marks the last night for the High Roller atop the Stratosphere Tower. After almost running for a decade, the World's Highest Roller Coaster will come to death tonight. The last ride will actually be around 1:30AM December 31, 2005 Good Night High Roller! John Pavlock Jr. Why stop at the edge... ...When you can go over!? http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4285810 Time is running out for people who want to ride the world's highest roller coaster. The Stratosphere roller coaster will thrill riders for the last time next Friday. After that it will be removed, piece by piece with a crane, over a three month period. The roller coaster opened on the same day as the hotel, back in April 29, 1996. Officials say they're getting rid of the ride to make room for another more exciting one. There are still plenty of other thrill rides, 900 feet up on top of the Stratosphere. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 01:21:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85436 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:21:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:20:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:20:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.155.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Mini-TR: Mundo Divertido and Belmont Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Ha9zn0sbG3OO7ZA-sNNPLiaDq4XW0bSlgOvOOV-t8hWjqkX0D-o3 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Ryan Snooks, in re Mundo Divertido: > Anyways, in short, it looks like > the park has been demolished for at least a few months now. Most of > the buildings are still standing, and the go-cart track is still=20 > sort of visible, but there isn't any evidence of rides and the lot=20 > is in bad shape. I wonder what happened to the place. Hm! What a bummer. Well, I'm glad I didn't go off on a wild goose chase in Mexico trying to find it a couple weeks ago. in re Belmont Park: > We got enough tickets for us both to have 2 rides on the Giant > Dipper The first time I rode that was a few years ago and it didn't make much of an impression on me, but in March of last year my girlfriend and I got day passes and rode it twice. I really enjoyed it that time; it seemed like a packed a lot of fun into a moderate intensity ride. It's got a very thin footprint, if viewed from above, and that makes for a nice effect seeing a bunch of track all around you. At some point I'd like to ride it and the woodie of the same name up at Santa Cruz in close succession to do a better comparison. Kind of odd that the two California beachfront woodies from the classic age that have survived have the same name. Boy, I wish they had preserved all those old ones. In the Long Beach Public Library, there's a great scale wooden model of the Cyclone Racer that's several feet long. There's a group trying to get somebody to rebuild it; I hope someone takes them up on it: http://cycloneracer.com/ > Chaos (the first time I've seen it operating, but I didn't feel like > riding it) That last time I went, since I had a day pass, I got brave and decided to try out the Chaos. Note that ordinarily I avoid spin-n-puke flat rides like the plague, and had even taken a Bonine beforehand in preparation. No luck, though--- the damn thing kicked my ass. I came about as close to vomiting on that ride as I could without actually losing my lunch. My girlfriend loved it, though. I settled down with a trip on carousel. I like their bumper cars, too; they've got weird little things that maneuver like tanks and sound like lawnmowers instead of the standard electrified ceiling. > From there we headed back home, and I got to see JTA again, though I > have still never ridden that thing. If I'd never gone on Poseidon=20 > I'd probably be more excited about it, but I haven't felt like going > to SeaWorld mainly just for Journey to Atlantis can really justify=20 > the cost of the ticket since both rides look so similar. I probably mentioned that I hadn't been to Sea World for more than 20 years when I went earlier this month, so I was well overdue to visit the place anyway. If you can get a discounted ticket that's a good start, but even then, you'd want to spend the whole day to justify the ticket price. I thought JTA was pretty fun, though the coaster part is pretty short. I love log flumes, though, and the ride is pretty interesting in that there's a bunch of different elements in it (even an elevator) and some neat theming. Just don't pay the admission unless you're going to make a full day out of it. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 01:32:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11039 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:32:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:31:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:31:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:31:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.155.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Closings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=hqUeZE4duMTrgITfA4bcD2TyZoZXiFB0elrkh4huxuvW0hUKoIKU X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Seeing as how Ryan mentioned Mundo Divertido had closed, I thought I'd mention that I saw over on Westcoaster that the High Roller atop the Stratosphere was closing this week. Everything I'd heard said that the ride was pretty weak, but I wish I had known about the closing back at the beginning of the month. I would have been sure to ride it then; I never got around to it. Is the Stratosphere guy still in this group? Any news on what might replace it? I also read an OC Register article (that I can't find online now) that said that Adventure City in Buena Park (along with the Hobby City shops) was going to close next year and be turned into condos. But the article didn't say how far into next year we've got. Their website lists operating dates all the way into next November, but that might just be wishful thinking on their part. Anybody have any official word on how much longer they've got? I wonder where their Wild Mouse will end up; they're just down the street from Knott's. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 01:33:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94145 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 09:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 09:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 09:33:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 09:33:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:33:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <198.4db6ab6e.30e65429@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.155.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: High Roller's Last Day EVER! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=9XSCNtXpVRWNTrBG5gkGrBaav4Mj9NPQg9UbwjkDgwiXXnHLZ-lO X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MrStratosphere@a... wrote: > > A Bit of Sad News > The rollercoaster world is going to be losing the World's Highest Roller=20 > Coaster!!!!! Aha... looks like we're getting the news direct from the source now. I think I was typing my query as Mr. Stratosphere's post appeared. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Dec 30 04:45:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95383 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 12:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 12:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 12:45:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 12:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 12:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 12:42:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:42:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <198.4db6ab6e.30e65429@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: High Roller's Last Day EVER! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=QmlXWcGNRjEnAw-teguok_LWEcbfDdkR2OecugEPYjdh-lhVsifhhYI X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MrStratosphere@a... wrote: > > After almost running for a decade,=20 shouldn't that be "after running for almost a decade" or was it=20 really "almost running" for that decade?? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 08:51:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 377 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 16:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 16:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 16:51:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 16:51:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2005 16:51:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:51:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Closings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=82bBkwCh8DH4R5Po5aM7KPEF9Zd0eFXIiE6_slTMQ1wstdY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > SNIP < I saw over on Westcoaster that the High Roller atop the > Stratosphere was closing this week. Everything I'd heard said that=20 the > ride was pretty weak,=20 Yeah, it was pretty weak. The ONLY goiod thing about the ride was the=20 fact that it was 900' in the air. That's it. > I also read an OC Register article (that I can't find online now)=20 that > said that Adventure City in Buena Park (along with the Hobby City > shops) was going to close next year and be turned into condos. But=20 the > article didn't say how far into next year we've got. Their website > lists operating dates all the way into next November, but that might > just be wishful thinking on their part. Anybody have any official=20 word > on how much longer they've got? I wonder where their Wild Mouse will > end up; they're just down the street from Knott's. That's too bad, I really like their Wild Mouse. Granted, I'm too tall=20 (even at 6' even), I had to scrunch-down in the seat not get my head=20 knocked-off on one of the dips. -Alan From MrStratosphere@aol.com Fri Dec 30 11:04:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62943 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2005 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 19:04:49 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.20a.10239986 (48552) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20a.10239986.30e6de80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:03:28 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: High Roller's Last Day EVER! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=9-cmMZCGKJGVaMNAvHj2e2TCWsNKLPyicZ08zCcSK4iF70LDqxEs X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually almost running for a decade would be right, when the ride first opend we had problems with the control systems and spent most of 1997-1998 under maintinence. But after that the ride ran perfectly. John In a message dated 12/30/2005 4:45:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, daniel_roach@hotmail.com writes: shouldn't that be "after running for almost a decade" or was it really "almost running" for that decade?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jan 03 04:27:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11790 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 12:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 12:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 12:27:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2006 12:26:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2006 12:26:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:26:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.73 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Pretty Quiet... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RzZm1DlMi-fuE5sTgR9t2Ng-cjpYOAiRuP_8oX5EUEcZeYz2Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I know that with the holidays and all... Happy New Year's! I spent most of the 31st with the Alvey's at Nasu Highlands. There's a photo TR at TPR highlighting the oddness of a park operating with 3 feet of snow everywhere in 25 degree weather. I may do a separate TR here.=20 I went to Tokyo Disneyland on the 1st with Mayumi, and had a pretty good time. TR to follow.=20 Chris B Next up: Kobe Portopialand and Central Park (Himeji) on this Saturday. From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jan 03 15:43:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60764 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 23:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 23:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 23:43:38 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.2c0.2c29435 (3310) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:43:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c0.2c29435.30ec660c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:43:08 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pretty Quiet... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, Its been quite on here. I was going to check to see if I had been booted off again which happens periodically. I am glad I got this so that saves me from having to do that. Happy Coastering Year, everyone! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 03 15:49:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16919 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 23:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 23:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 23:49:15 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k03NnDZI009947 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:49:13 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:49:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <226AFE49-23A7-489C-97D4-8D21CC53BB04@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:49:11 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 23:49:13.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CF381F0:01C610C0] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pretty Quiet... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xbrvc-GT5TY0UsyTaXmL9wqUVb88PJQPnAEs-AklzczNPGBp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I saw those snow pictures (linked from Absolutely Reliable Rumors), and it looked thoroughly insane - I was envious! Cameron. On Jan 3, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Chris wrote: > I know that with the holidays and all... > > Happy New Year's! > > I spent most of the 31st with the Alvey's at Nasu Highlands. There's a > photo TR at TPR highlighting the oddness of a park operating with 3 > feet of snow everywhere in 25 degree weather. I may do a separate TR > here. > > I went to Tokyo Disneyland on the 1st with Mayumi, and had a pretty > good time. TR to follow. > > Chris B > > Next up: Kobe Portopialand and Central Park (Himeji) on this Saturday. > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jan 03 15:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74302 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 23:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 23:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 23:55:45 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.287.35e42fd (4418) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <287.35e42fd.30ec68f6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:55:34 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pretty Quiet... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=Z97pMf8t8xMH3KlDmMs_nwASjlE-TaJEfIyd5EQg_H9Lwc5vhv9z X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy New Years, and I want to go to Japan! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40606 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:23:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:23:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wUaJNcHynD-PlyBFSNowx0n2DJ9x48fVhwyPh3MWQrQahxg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Since there was some talk about it being quite (take a couple of days=20 off, and everyone gets worried!), I thought I'd start this year off=20 with a question for everyone: As part of your New Year's Resolution, What is the one Coaster/Park,=20 that you Resolve to get to in 2006? -Alan (Who knows it a rather lame question) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69497 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:32:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:31:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:31:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:31:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ticket price hikes predictable, but maddening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=p6G5iTqvFcyAKbBGXEJ-7wy5OT1abpEeNtoli9uNpWgC_js X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 4, 2006 FLORIDA TODAY http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060104/BUSINESS/601040364/1003 BY DONNA BALANCIA Orlando, Fl -- Raising theme park ticket prices each year may seem=20 cruel to some, but it is an exercise in simple economics, experts=20 contend. "All the theme parks follow each other," said Jerry Aldrich,=20 president of Amusement Industry Consulting Inc. of Orlando. Disney and SeaWorld both raised their Orlando-area ticket prices this=20 week. "It's not planned because that would be collusion," Aldrich=20 said. "SW happened to go 1st this time. I have a hunch Universal will=20 raise its prices in the next few weeks. They're all doing it because=20 the expenses are up, but if you notice, they don't do it across the=20 board." The price increase for WDW tickets varies, depending on the number of=20 days spent at the park. On a percentage basis, the increases range=20 from 0.8% to 5.8%. Last January, Disney introduced its "Magic Your Way" ticketing=20 program that enables visitors to pay a lower admission price per day,=20 depending on the length of stay. Even though the price of a Florida resident ticket increased by only=20 $2.95, it's still too much, said 17-y.o. Lauren Plaia of Satellite=20 Beach. "When you have family coming down here, you want to be able to=20 afford it and not cough up a truckload of money to be able to go,"=20 Plaia said. "When you're a Florida resident, you're not going to be=20 able to go there as often, if it costs more." SW brought back the popular "Fun Card" promotion so Floridians can=20 buy a single-day admission and return to the park for a year with no=20 blackout dates and no additional charge. Disney declined comment on its price increases, which took effect=20 Sunday. "It's legal what the theme parks are doing, and it's part of=20 the free-market system," said Bob Sparks, spokesman for Attorney=20 General Charlie Crist. Aldrich said pricing strategy at the parks usually comes on the heels=20 of annual budget meetings. "The theme parks know what their expenses=20 are," Aldrich said. "I'm sure they're trying to appeal to as many=20 people as possible with the range of pricing. And Florida resident=20 prices were hiked because they were pretty low." The companies all offer special deals to Florida residents. WDW's pricing structure also includes a Park Hopper program (at a $40- a-day surcharge) allowing admission to more than 1 of its 4 theme=20 parks on each day of use; a $50-a-day surcharge allowing admission to=20 water parks, DisneyQuest and Pleasure Island; a surcharge to extend=20 multiday tickets beyond their regular 14-day expiration date;=20 discounts for advance purchase of certain tickets of 4 days or more;=20 and annual passes. WDW, SW and Universal operate a total of 7 major theme parks in the=20 Orlando area, which all are among the nation's 9 most popular theme=20 parks, according to Amusement Business magazine. --------- =A9 2005 FLORIDA TODAY From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jan 04 07:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53103 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.240.4afbcfc (3310) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:32:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <240.4afbcfc.30ed4491@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:32:33 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to get in Kingda Ka and El Toro, on the same visit! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98977 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:36:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:36:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:36:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:36:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Buy a piece of AstroWorld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=T_TJNS_eYTixDypFtexOS9zDBPBjlNYOqpLogK_50HMhdhw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 4, 2006 Associated Press The Bryan - College Station Eagle http://www.theeagle.com/stories/010406/business_20060104032.php HOUSTON, TX -- Six Flags AstroWorld will auction off loads of the=20 shuttered amusement park's equipment in an opportunity for collectors=20 to acquire some one-of-a-kind artifacts of Houston history. The 3-day auction starts Friday at the former park, which closed its=20 doors in October after 37 years. Organizers say the generations of=20 memories formed at the park have fueled interest in the chance to=20 purchase the memorabilia and equipment. "I just want something to=20 remember the park by," said Danny Hinojosa, a former 6FAW employee=20 who wants to snag some benches. "It was more than just a job. It was=20 more like a family." Many of the rides and some of the equipment were transferred to other=20 6F parks. But there's still enough stuff to pack several buildings at=20 6FAW. The leftover items range from old amusement ride signs to=20 industrial sewing machines, golf carts, disco balls and a waist-high=20 double ketchup dispenser on wheels. Anthony Piccola, a former 6FAW purchasing manager who is coordinating=20 the auction, said he receives about 350 e-mails daily about the sale.=20 Many inquiries are about specific items, such as one potential bidder=20 who wants antique taxi No. 14 because that's where he popped the=20 question to his now-wife. Other items that have attracted the most attention are the signs for=20 Greezed Lightnin' and Thunder River, Piccola said. Signs showing=20 height requirements for rides also have been popular. Auctioneer Kenneth Dixon, owner of Tri-State Auction of Mississippi,=20 said he expects nostalgia seekers to go for items like the old park=20 signs, while others might value more utilitarian equipment like=20 stainless steel tables. Officials for Oklahoma-based Six Flags, Inc., which operated the park=20 since 1975, have said they opted to sell the 109-acre site rather=20 than make additional investments during a time of dwindling=20 attendance. A real estate agent said he expects the parcel, which=20 sits across the street from Reliant Stadium, will be split up and=20 developed for myriad uses. Robert Thomas said he has his eye on a life-size longhorn steer made=20 of fiberglass. The steer once sat atop the Western Smokehouse restaurant at the=20 park, and now Thomas wants to mount it atop his trucking business,=20 Space City Hot Shot. "I want it real bad," he said. ------ =A9 2000 - 2006 The Bryan - College Station Eagle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:46:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76151 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:46:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:46:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:46:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:46:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cypress Gardens' owner - Park's future lies in its past X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OJ14d76lModmfYFykMpz3AChJaJhWytvEI-Oe5gr9g27XLU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 1, 2006 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl- cypress0106jan01,0,2491838.story?track=3Drss=20 by Amy L. Edwards WINTER HAVEN, FL -- Water skiers and costumed Southern belles helped=20 make Cypress Gardens famous. And as Central Florida's oldest theme=20 park prepares for its 70th anniversary celebration Monday, the=20 revamped attraction is going back to its roots. Owner Kent Buescher said he wants a new generation of visitors to be=20 introduced to the park's trademark items this year when the park=20 opens a children's ski school and reintroduces the Junior Belle=20 program. Buescher, who purchased, renovated and expanded the park after it=20 closed in April 2003 because of declining attendance, said he has=20 spent a lot of time asking visitors what they would like to see at CG. What people missed, they told him, was the park's past. "We kept very=20 accurate notes and we listened, and we said, 'You know what, why=20 can't we bring back many of those classic attractions?' " Buescher=20 said. "That's what we decided to do." At Monday's event, the park will introduce a new water-ski show that=20 reflects the history of skiing at CG - including the 4-tier pyramid -=20 and a performance by renowned 90-y.o. skier "Banana" George Blair, so=20 nicknamed because he performs dressed in yellow. The botanical garden cruise, which started in 1938, will be=20 reintroduced in February. "There's whole generations of folks who=20 will enjoy that," Buescher said. The Junior Belle program, which allows girls to dress up in miniature=20 versions of the hoop skirts and pantaloons, will return in March. Buescher said he's heard from countless visitors who used to ski at=20 CG. "There's just generations of people - loads and loads of folks -=20 who have skied professionally at the park," he said. Buescher wants to keep that tradition, so the attraction plans to=20 offer free water-ski lessons to children under age 10. "Maybe they'll=20 get really turned on to it ... and keep that great tradition alive at=20 CG," Buescher said. "It's just an unbelievably rich history." Dick Pope Jr., whose parents founded CG, said he's excited about the=20 new ski show and school. "I think it's a very good idea," he said. "I=20 saw the show, and it's getting better and better." Buescher said he plans more additions to the park this year, although=20 none as dramatic as the new roller coasters and water park already in=20 place. There will be several new events throughout the year, including a 4- day wedding-vow renewal festival in February, a flower and garden=20 show in the spring, a "Taste of the South" food festival and=20 patriotic events in the summer that will include fireworks and a 3-D=20 laser show. Buescher also plans to open the Pope Memorial Museum, which will=20 honor the Pope family and its impact on Florida's tourism history. For theme parks to remain successful, they must create new=20 attractions to bring in new visitors, said Beth Robertson,=20 spokeswoman for the IAAPA. But that doesn't necessarily mean new features. By reintroducing and=20 expanding programs such as the ski show, CG can bring new generations=20 in, Robertson said. The park will also start reconstruction this year on the Starliner, a=20 historic wooden roller coaster that was in Panama City Beach until=20 Buescher purchased it in early 2005. The coaster already has been=20 moved to CG, where it will be reassembled with a planned opening in=20 2007. More than 1 million people have visited CG since its reopening just=20 more than a year ago, Buescher said. "Our business to date has been=20 very good. We've been pleasantly surprised by what we have seen,"=20 Buescher said. "We're comfortable the park is going to have a bright=20 future. I'm thrilled about that." ----------- Copyright =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 07:51:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42599 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 15:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:51:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:51:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 15:51:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:51:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Magic Mountain coasters will roll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DL-rQMxH3tnNoVw0htLc4R0wreL50nwfscZj2frLYobp7Lc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 01/02/2006 The LA Daily News http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3363098 VALENCIA, CA -- A threatened strike by Six Flags California's Magic=20 Mountain roller-coaster maintenance workers was averted Sunday when=20 workers approved a tentative agreement hammered out between union=20 leaders and the park owners the day before. "There will not be a=20 strike. They did ratify the contract," said Janet Wright, business=20 representative of the International Association of Machinists and=20 Aerospace Workers. Details of the pact, reached early Saturday between Six Flags Inc.=20 and union representatives, were not available, Wright said. She said=20 workers voted by a healthy margin to approve the agreement. Had an agreement not been reached, workers had planned to strike at=20 12:01 a.m. Sunday. Union maintenance workers at 6FMM are paid up to 30% less than their=20 counterparts at Disneyland and Universal Studios theme parks, union=20 officials said, adding that they wanted to lift 6F workers' pay to=20 industry standards. ---------- =A9 2006 Los Angeles Newspaper Group From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 08:58:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2977 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:53:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=zljgTfC5GbCf_3yyP9xWtob26hbeeRsXDhR-N94qchO7fbDidwLt X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > As part of your New Year's Resolution, What is the one Coaster/Park,=20 > that you Resolve to get to in 2006? Locally, I'm going to try to get to Adventure City before it closes,=20 and also try to visit the other minor parks nearby (Scandia, Castle=20 Park, Pharaoh's Lost Kingdom) before the year is through. Depending on=20 what sort of fellowship my fiancee gets when she graduates (she's=20 getting a PharmD), we may end up spending some time this summer in=20 Delaware or Indiana, or even moving to New Jersey. Any one of those=20 would provide for some new coastering opportunities. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Jan 04 11:06:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16165 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 19:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 19:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 19:06:36 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:06:08 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD0038C21F@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MISC: New Year's Resolution! thread-index: AcYRUUlDKftKIacGQy2nvGHlrVhJOAAB/30g To: X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=34XwtOpCDJ30Md51b6y0zKFhqTklVRBiGRrU48VO49QxGRrlYw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: "Alan" > > As part of your New Year's Resolution, What is the one Coaster/Park, > that you Resolve to get to in 2006? It's not so much a resolution as a hoped-for opportunity. I've already found out I won't be able to attend EastCoaster this year (likely my last year as an official ACE member), but on the other hand it looks good for at least one visit to Great Adventure this year. That'll give me a chance to try the two new coasters there: Kingda Ka and El Toro. And if they suck, I can spend more time on Batman and Nitro. Jon Z (new year = new calendar!) The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jan 04 11:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43085 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 19:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2006 19:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 19:17:03 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.278.2a9cc75 (3850) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:16:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <278.2a9cc75.30ed7928@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:16:56 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=_BVP9alc01YvrOuL_RIJ2USiZFYRm7tydNrko9slmLhJyvtTX7l2 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/4/2006 2:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jzucker@alpha-sys.com writes: It's not so much a resolution as a hoped-for opportunity. I've already found out I won't be able to attend EastCoaster this year (likely my last year as an official ACE member), but on the other hand it looks good for at least one visit to Great Adventure this year. That'll give me a chance to try the two new coasters there: Kingda Ka and El Toro. And if they suck, I can spend more time on Batman and Nitro. Jon Z (new year = new calendar!) The First KK rocks. And that sucks about East Coaster. because this year. I'm finally going to go annually (again). My resolution, is to become more active on RCT (the original) -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Jan 05 04:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 159 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 12:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 12:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 12:30:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 12:30:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 12:30:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:30:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Ticket price hikes predictable, but maddening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=Z6EHzG7wrTxw8ZZwOdGDnc76SLPVqs2KE0SCiy58p9ea4Gu3rfvk-hw X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: >=20 > Orlando, Fl -- Raising theme park ticket prices each year may seem=20 > cruel to some, but it is an exercise in simple economics, experts=20 > contend. "All the theme parks follow each other," said Jerry=20 Aldrich,=20 > president of Amusement Industry Consulting Inc. of Orlando. >=20 That's life... > Disney and SeaWorld both raised their Orlando-area ticket prices=20 this=20 > week. "It's not planned because that would be collusion," Aldrich=20 > said.=20 course it isn't... ;) >=20 > Even though the price of a Florida resident ticket increased by=20 only=20 > $2.95, it's still too much, said 17-y.o. Lauren Plaia of Satellite=20 > Beach.=20 My heart just bleeds... >=20 > WDW's pricing structure also includes a Park Hopper program (at a=20 $40- > a-day surcharge) allowing admission to more than 1 of its 4 theme=20 > parks on each day of use; a $50-a-day surcharge allowing admission=20 to=20 > water parks, DisneyQuest and Pleasure Island;=20 40 dollars a day? - bargain!!! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Jan 05 04:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47775 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 12:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 12:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 12:48:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 12:47:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 12:47:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:47:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: MISC: New Year's Resolution! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=GopNAbbjK5900VCih-FDcMHLffTNFKmrvHTTrvJkfDJvsCh1nsEF7ps X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Since there was some talk about it being quite (take a couple of days=20 > off, and everyone gets worried!), I thought I'd start this year off=20 > with a question for everyone: >=20 > As part of your New Year's Resolution, What is the one Coaster/Park,=20 > that you Resolve to get to in 2006? >=20 > -Alan (Who knows it a rather lame question) > As well as disney world, sea world, univewrsal and busch gardens=20 (possibly cypress gardens too) when i'm in florida in march, I also=20 want to do thorpe park for their new coaster... shame it opens when I'm=20 in florida (meaning I wob't be first on it...) From fatshelby@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 10:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: fatshelby@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62049 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 18:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 18:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.186) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 18:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 34978 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2006 18:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060105185117.34976.qmail@web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.169.56.227] by web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:51:17 PST Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:51:17 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Annie Schlatter Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Ticket price hikes predictable, but maddening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=247378572; y=3VaLzzU3ByT8lzrs-izuHwK4QTsJALlIZkW3sXPNPcwUhAgi X-Yahoo-Profile: fatshelby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit r u like new to the group? daniel_roachus wrote: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Orlando, Fl -- Raising theme park ticket prices each year may seem > cruel to some, but it is an exercise in simple economics, experts > contend. "All the theme parks follow each other," said Jerry Aldrich, > president of Amusement Industry Consulting Inc. of Orlando. > That's life... > Disney and SeaWorld both raised their Orlando-area ticket prices this > week. "It's not planned because that would be collusion," Aldrich > said. course it isn't... ;) > > Even though the price of a Florida resident ticket increased by only > $2.95, it's still too much, said 17-y.o. Lauren Plaia of Satellite > Beach. My heart just bleeds... > > WDW's pricing structure also includes a Park Hopper program (at a $40- > a-day surcharge) allowing admission to more than 1 of its 4 theme > parks on each day of use; a $50-a-day surcharge allowing admission to > water parks, DisneyQuest and Pleasure Island; 40 dollars a day? - bargain!!! Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 22:02:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:02:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SX2CX4o0aD9AakklzpF6asaehXzLMqtBWIlRaqS-HSEzj6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 4, 2006 click2houston.com http://www.click2houston.com/news/5841615/detail.html HOUSTON, TX -- Firefighters rushed to extinguish a fire at Six Flags=20 AstroWorld in southwest Houston Wednesday morning, KPRC Local 2=20 reported. The control house of the ride known as Greased Lightning caught on=20 fire shortly after 6:30 a.m. Firefighters said the ride known was being dismantled Tuesday with=20 extremely hot equipment and that the structure was left smoldering=20 all night, which caused a small structure on the ride to go up in=20 flames. "Hot torches were being used to remove some of the structural=20 metal that holds the ride in place. Apparently, some smoldering, hot=20 metal fell underneath the control room of the ride itself and=20 smoldered in the evening. That's what we determined was the cause of=20 the fire," said 6FAW spokeswoman Donna Marie Jendritza. Arson investigators were called to investigate the fire but they=20 ruled it accidental. An investigator with the fire department told=20 KPRC Local 2 that some of the smoldering metal probably fell beneath=20 the ride and set some dry leaves on fire. 3 people inside a business office at the park escaped the park=20 without injuries. Greased Lightning is one of the rides the theme park company is=20 selling during a 3-day auction at the park this weekend. Jendritza said anyone interested in buying the ride should not=20 worry. "There's no damage to the ride itself ... it was just to the=20 cue house that the ride was attached to," Jendritza said. --------- Copyright 2005 by Click2Houston.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 14:15:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73218 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 22:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 22:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 22:15:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 22:15:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 22:15:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:15:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n5CNebfN8csddzX60EKHKOiNBBLj1WdYoZi_ogXOYIG1TAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 4, 2006 The Orange County Register Hotel Online http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2006_Jan_04/k.OCD.1136400753.html By Michele Himmelberg Anaheim, CA -- Hot off one of its peak years, the Disneyland Resort=20 raised daily admission prices $3 on Tuesday, up to $59 for adults and=20 $49 for children ages 3-9. That's the 4th price increase in 2 years and it brings the admission=20 cost for a typical family of 4 to $226. As a consolation for local residents, the Resort also renewed=20 its "2fer" offer this year for DL and DCA. Residents of Southern=20 California and Baja California who buy a 1-day admission pass can=20 visit both parks on 2 different days through April 27. The "2fers" will be sold at Disney's Anaheim ticket booths and at the=20 nearly 300 Vons and Pavilions stores in the region. Disney introduced the off-site purchase option at Vons last year,=20 giving customers the convenience of buying tickets in advance. Both=20 companies said the program has been successful. The company raised ticket prices twice last year as it celebrated=20 Disneyland's 50th anniversary. The milestone event and new=20 attractions drew an estimated 14.5 million people to the theme park -=20 an 8.5% increase over 2004 - according to Amusement Business magazine. On peak days in December, ticket sales were temporarily halted at DL=20 because the park had reached capacity. "Their pricing policy is a=20 good one," said Jim Benedick, an executive with Management Resources=20 in Tustin, a leisure time entertainment company. "When demand is=20 there, and people really want to come, then you expect to pay the=20 higher prices. "When demand is not as great, that's when they provide an opportunity=20 for locals to go for a better value. Residents don't usually pay full=20 price." Local residents can buy the "2fer" tickets or they often have=20 access to corporate or group discounts. "I never go during the busy=20 periods," said Benedick, who hates the crowds. "But I take advantage of their offers." Since March 2004, the cost of=20 an adult DL ticket has risen $9.25, or 19%. Disney officials compared=20 their price to a $73 1-day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain. "We=20 believe our pricing reflects the tremendous value our guests=20 experience," said Rob Doughty, a Disney spokesman. "They can enjoy up=20 to 16 hours of world-class entertainment and fun." DL remains the=20 price leader among Southern California theme parks. Universal Studios charges $55 for 1 day, but that ticket is then good=20 for admission most days the rest of the year. A similar deal is=20 available at Sea World San Diego for $53. Knott's Berry Farm's adult tickets remains $45, with a current=20 promotion for local residents at $31. Magic Mountain in Valencia=20 charges $49.99 for 1 day, with a limited online special of $27.99. Theme parks typically bump up prices when they're confident the=20 market will absorb the increase. "Disney does extensive market=20 research on (pricing) so they know what they're doing," said Cynthia=20 King, a professor at Cal State Fullerton and head of the Center for=20 Entertainment and Tourism. "The price seems high, but if people are willing to pay $49 to go to=20 Six Flags for the day, they can see $59 for DL as reasonable." If=20 Disney continues to raise prices, King said it will be important for=20 the parks to demonstrate their value by adding attractions and=20 showing visitors "this is what they're paying for." Disney's=20 admission price includes nearly all attractions and shows. Parking is an additional $10. Annual pass prices increased last fall,=20 and they now range from $119 for a pass with limited access to $349=20 for a pass good every day of the year, with free parking. Lynn Russ, a teacher in Huntington Beach, was disappointed when=20 Disney raised prices in January 2005, in advance of the 50th=20 anniversary. She said she can't justify spending the full daily=20 admission price for her 4-person family because the kids get too=20 tired to experience it all in 1 day. "With those crowds, you can't=20 get the value," she said. Russ broke down in September and bought the cheapest annual passes,=20 at $119 each, and takes her 2 children on Friday nights or weekdays=20 when they're out of school. "That's a better deal," she said, "but=20 I'm not sure we'll be able to do it next year." The "2fer" is a=20 bargain, Russ said, only if you want to go to DCA. "Nobody really chooses to go to that park," she said. "The kids want=20 to go to DL." Based on recent strong hotel bookings, it's likely that=20 Disney expects to see steady traffic through the summer. ----- Copyright (c) 2006, The Orange County Register From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 15:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32032 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 23:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 23:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 23:12:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 23:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 23:10:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:10:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=bRsIdst3Uv2t9jFurUNqTZdsIVKYmEi6yhS1T6WmeLZUxISBracY X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani In Click2Houston's news story: > Jendritza said anyone interested in buying the ride should not=20 > worry. "There's no damage to the ride itself ... it was just to the=20 > cue house that the ride was attached to," Jendritza said. Shouldn't that read "queue house?" Who's editing this stuff? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 15:22:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14286 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 23:22:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2006 23:21:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:21:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=MZGQdXTXROiXvb5PE8b2_CQbULqXN7UO3cCo597gk5OfleH5Jv5m X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > DL remains the=20 > price leader among Southern California theme parks. That's a pretty strange definition of "price leader." I don't think=20 that's what grocery stores mean when they use the term. That said, it's hard to argue with the prices, considering how popular=20 the main park is. But it's just nuts to pretend that California=20 Adventure is worth as much as Disneyland itself, and the crowds show=20 it. Honestly, how much of the attendance at DCA is from people who paid=20 full price for a single-day ticket to DCA? Also, I wonder how many people who buy 1-day parkhopper tickets end up=20 feeling they got screwed. I remember last year my sister and her=20 husband were entertaining and old friend and some Chinese business=20 clients and had to explain to them they they would be able to see=20 Disneyland and Universal Studios on the same day, especially since they=20 weren't getting started until close to lunchtime. 1-day parkhoppers=20 seem aimed at people who don't realize how long it really takes to see=20 what's inside Disneyland. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jan 05 15:51:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79969 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 23:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 23:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 23:51:43 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i3so854616wra for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.240.8 with SMTP id s8mr1699404qbr; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:51:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601051551n18dd7115ycf9cfdec7626a6c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:51:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=XXKJGTMnZcIuklICS8ov8sGxzNHHNR0ABSnhwTQGvE6vF4uL X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 1/5/06, adamnvillani wrote: > Shouldn't that read "queue house?" Who's editing this stuff? > Yup. Maybe the editor or the writer spent a little too much time at the pool hall that night? From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 05 22:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25313 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 06:43:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 06:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 06:43:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:43:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.133.137.230 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ookohkJaImPUJU8K4CXUxNCmjwxB_ll4QgmaJZG5fi2ZBgARLTZR X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > had to explain to them they they would be able to see=20 > Disneyland and Universal Studios on the same day, I meant "wouldn't," obviously. Who's editing this stuff? :-) Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 02:47:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22882 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 10:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 10:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 10:47:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 10:47:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 10:47:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:47:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.160 From: "Chris" Subject: NEWS: Park Closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Yxy0fXt9DxnELokIlhI-CZfukzh9TXN2edVRXiI5keY4P2Lpbw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 According www.portopialand.co.jp/ (and with a little translation help from my wife) Kobe Portopialand is closing forever on the 31st of March this year. I heard this as a rumor from Robb Alvey, and confirmed it via the website.=20 I am on my way to this park in the morning, and I will write up as extensive a TR as I can. I also intend to shoot pics like crazy.=20 Chris B I'll be hitting Central Park in Himeji in the afternoon. When it's $300 for train tickets, I have to squeeze two parks into one trip! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Jan 06 06:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77709 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 14:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 14:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 14:36:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 14:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 14:35:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:35:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060105185117.34976.qmail@web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Ticket price hikes predictable, but maddening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=CLL6R8WO1f5P3qrsfm47xGJ-zKlK8V_1jvjkWqjBbOVVSKiD5nqRgPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Annie Schlatter=20 wrote: > > r u like new to the group? >=20 Been here a few months now.... =20=20 >=20 > > WDW's pricing structure also includes a Park Hopper program (at a=20 > $40- > > a-day surcharge) allowing admission to more than 1 of its 4 theme=20 > > parks on each day of use; a $50-a-day surcharge allowing=20 admission=20 > to=20 > > water parks, DisneyQuest and Pleasure Island;=20 >=20 > 40 dollars a day? - bargain!!! >=20 Surely they meant these surcharges are for the duration of the=20 tickets? 40 dollars each day on a one week pass =3D 280 dollars, or=20 about 5 extra admissions.. You'd be going something to make the most=20 of that!! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 08:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22688 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 16:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 16:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 16:31:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 16:31:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 16:31:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:31:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30601051551n18dd7115ycf9cfdec7626a6c1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YrAlf1BBBCig-d7YsZUEayEexj0Y63u9Z4sizW2dym_v4ig X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson=20 wrote: > On 1/5/06, adamnvillani wrote: > > Shouldn't that read "queue house?" Who's editing this stuff? >=20 > Yup. Maybe the editor or the writer spent a little too much time at > the pool hall that night? > Or smelling the fumes from the fire? -Alan From jophish17@comcast.net Fri Jan 06 10:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19505 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 18:20:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 18:20:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 18:20:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:20:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.70.72 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=jL_BxHpufL3A6cxSRHbQLbWXDg7RFVl2Fz5d49ZrWI6N2dEu X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > In Click2Houston's news story: > > Jendritza said anyone interested in buying the ride should not=20 > > worry. "There's no damage to the ride itself ... it was just to the=20 > > cue house that the ride was attached to," Jendritza said. >=20 > Shouldn't that read "queue house?" Who's editing this stuff? >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > Actually, cue is an acceptable variant of queue. I mean there is a difference between an article making a false or absurd statement and using alternate diction. One is worth pointing out, one is not. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jan 06 10:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93777 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 18:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 18:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 18:51:32 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o63so19376nfa for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.207.6 with SMTP id e6mr803380nfg; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:50:20 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=HW8aZkI9EMeOB2MXRaH3lHWKOBZ4Xa0TadgJzTS8ocFAAcC6beZUI-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Actually, cue is an acceptable variant of queue. I mean there is a > difference between an article making a false or absurd statement and > using alternate diction. One is worth pointing out, one is not. According to who? I've never seen that usage. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 11:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43120 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 19:16:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2006 19:16:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:16:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=GUr7C_gxMbKPIrIBe44tfOCv540Lqev6qunJ1xc7b83PZNA-VS54 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > > Actually, cue is an acceptable variant of queue. I mean there is a > > difference between an article making a false or absurd statement and > > using alternate diction. One is worth pointing out, one is not. >=20 > According to who? I've never seen that usage. Whaddya know, it's in the American Heritage Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/8qvzx Same with Merriam-Webster: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary I had never seen that spelling used before to mean a sequence of people=20 waiting for something. At the time I thought that they were confusing two homophones. That=20 wouldn't be worth pointing out in an ordinary internet post, but a=20 professional news organization should be expected to be called on a=20 mistake like that. But since it turns out to be an accepted variant,=20 they're off the hook. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jan 06 12:31:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31079 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 20:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 20:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 20:31:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:29:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200601061229.AA265159058@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Mountain Park Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=mb27PW2p0rEDyADGzxiGItt2YVf1Nm2qLskrzdqv-7KwNBmRnPlh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi folks. This article ran in The Republican last October. We were interviewed for this article last summer, and the publication of it kept getting delayed. Karen and I have had a busy life since then (the article was published on the day we moved), and finally I've had time to transcribe it. There were some nice photos that went along with it, and different editions of the paper printed slightly different versions. This is from our edition: === Mountain Park Memories Park rides provide the stuff of romance by Bob Datz, 10/26/05 The Republican (Springfield, MA) Where to honeymoon in the Northeast when you're nuts for amusement parks and it's the middle of winter? For Jay and Karen Ducharme, it was historic Philadelphia -- not so much for the Liberty Bell as for the Philadelphia Toboggan Co., vintage and still-active maker of amusements from coasters to carousels. Then there was the stop at the International Hobby Corp., to buy working models of amusement park rides and build their own park in railroad modeler's HO scale. It was pure romance the way Jay wooed Karen that summer a decade ago, when the two musicians first hooked up after the future husband's gig. "Do you want to go to amusement parks with me?" he blurted out when he felt the magic. And all that summer, they did. And what Jay received growing up and working for years at Holyoke's Mountain Park, Karen has imbued in a big way. "We like the atmosphere; that's what we love," Jay said. "The community feeling." "We don't necessarily ride on the rides. We like to smell the smells, hear the sounds, eat the food," Karen said. And until they were grown, she could have said, "take the kids." Twin daughters Elizabeth and Heather Dion, 20, wrapped up their fourth summer working at Cedar Point in Ohio before entering their last year at Westfield State College. Son Mike Dion put in time at Six Flags New England in Agawam and is serving with the military as a medic in Iraq. So this is fuller than the singular roller coaster fanaticism of some, although Jay stood in line four hours when Six Flags' Superman first went in and found every minute worth the wait. It takes them to dozens of parks, mostly in the Northeast, but they're not as concerned with numbers of new parks as to how many trips they can make each summer. It's usually about a half-dozen parks, then some repeat visits. Planned summer swings have included a mid-Atlantic run and a Great Lakes tour to get the girls at Cedar Point. A Pennsylvania-to-Indiana sweep included seven parks in six days. The Ducharmes prefer the family-oriented parks, be they modern like Canobie Lake Park in New Hampshire or classics like the late Whalom Park and Mountain Park here at home in Western Massachusetts, or Knoebel's in Elysburg, Pa. That park, without a midway, is "completely tucked in a forest" with rides and amusements sprinkled among the trees, Jay said. At Kennywood Park near Pittsburgh, they use the Cliffside landscape to give the illusion that "the roller coaster dives right off the cliff." The couple has documented their travels at their Web site, www.karenandjay.com Karen sees the biggest differences between family parks and "thrill parks" like Six Flags as having a greater emphasis on landscaping and activities besides rides, including midway games and musical performances. The Ducharmes see a distinct difference in those family parks that are still family-owned, as Mountain Park was before it closed in 1987. "The food is a little cheaper," Karen said before Jay added, "The employees in the parks seem a little happier, I don't know what it is." The Easthampton native worked at Mountain park from 1980 to 1993, including years in security after the park closed. The shutdown was a shocker, and Jay mourned as he watched the pieces get packed up and hauled away. He can still tick off the destinations of many of the rides: - Sandspit Amusement Park on Prince Edward Island, Canada, got the Ferris wheel, train, Scrambler and Little Mangel's Auto Cars. - Packed up for Saudi Arabia were the Sky Ride, Kiddie Roller Coaster, Bubble Bounce and the boats. - Whalom Park in Lunenburg got the Satellite Jets and the butterfly-like Flying Jets. - Canobie Lake Park in Salem, N.H., got the Flying Jets mechanism and has outfitted it with a rooster-head rotating about the center shaft. - Pieces of the Mountain Flyer rollercoaster headed to Arnold's Park in Iowa. - New England-based Fanelli Amusements got the Tempest. - A Coney Island, N.Y., operator bought the Dodgem cars, although Jay didn't see them there on a trip to Brooklyn. - The Mirror Maze had a shattering experience, hauled off on a pickup truck that blew an axle on the New Jersey Turnpike. - And preservation efforts that included Jay Ducharme's allowed the 1929 Philadephia Toboggan carousel to remain a working landmark at Holyoke's Heritage State Park since 1993. The Ducharmes are not deterred by publicity about ride accidents, citing a 300 million rider-per-year industry pace at the fixed-base parks. But Jay agrees that roving carnivals do warrant closer inspections. Though there were mishaps in its 94 years, he recalls myths and legends also grew up around Mountain Park. "The big one was, 'A snake came out of the mouth of a (carousel) horse and bit a kid,' which was completely wrong. Cars coming flying off the rollercoaster -- that wasn't true. It always came from people not knowing how the rides were put together." Now on the Communications Department faculty at Holyoke Community College, Jay Ducharme remained loyal as an employee of Mountain Park even while pursuing his graduate degree, and full-time after he earned it. "You know," he reflected, "if Mountain Park hadn't closed I'd still be there to this day." ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 17:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57564 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 01:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 01:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 01:07:36 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ev2YS-0004Ur-2G for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <43BF145F.5090800@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:07:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a985f0fd284a14b4ea924fc1c3c48c222ebe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Ticket price hikes predictable, but maddening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ck6gLraPppApv_YZGfIyvdaOAbwkXkGiYiqW1JcscpwyQpg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Generally I'm agreed with you. But there was one major mistake in the article: daniel_roachus wrote: > > > > WDW's pricing structure also includes a Park Hopper program (at a > $40- > > a-day surcharge) allowing admission to more than 1 of its 4 theme > > parks on each day of use; a $50-a-day surcharge allowing admission > to > > water parks, DisneyQuest and Pleasure Island; > > 40 dollars a day? - bargain!!! > Actually it's $40/ ticket, regardless of how many days the ticket is for, to turn it into a hopper ticket. Steep when you're looking at a $60 one day ticket. But when you're looking at a 5-7 day ticket, then it's actually not that bad of a surcharge, proportionally speaking, to add $40 to the total to add on park hopping for the length of the ticket. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 17:19:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39057 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ev2kD-0000TS-DP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <43BF1739.10704@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:19:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a985bef4a435ebe8241fd366a8a9832c3824350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Q2Ep3lwfPw-nKyeGw-XIIrxcbT4eLNBIx8dTgbOeo0VwsPE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > DL remains the > > price leader among Southern California theme parks. > > That's a pretty strange definition of "price leader." I don't think > that's what grocery stores mean when they use the term. LOL. Good point. > > That said, it's hard to argue with the prices, considering how popular > the main park is. But it's just nuts to pretend that California > Adventure is worth as much as Disneyland itself, and the crowds show > it. Honestly, how much of the attendance at DCA is from people who paid > full price for a single-day ticket to DCA? Ok, forgive me, (and this isn't meant personally at all Adam), but this same retread just gets really really old. DCA was the 7th most attended park in the country last year. Read that again- 7th most attended. It blew away every single Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and Paramount Park. In fact, the only non-Disney park on the list above it is Universal Studios Florida. It posted a 3.5% gain in attendance last year, and at 5.8 million people walking through it's gate, the only park outside of Florida that wasn't Disney came up well over 1 million guests short of what DCA did through their gate. (USH at 4.7 million) If that's a failure, then people have one screwed up idea of what a failure is. It's only problem is that it's accross the walk from Disneyland- and frankly that's not a problem. I wish that people would stop thinking about one day tickets for the park. People aren't going to get one day tickets for DCA any more than they're going to buy them for Animal Kingdom or MGM studios. And it would be stupid to market them that way- about as stupid to buy a ticket that way. It's a RESORT- people are going to buy tickets to attend both parks and visit both parks. That only makes sense, and to think they'd do otherwise is just silly. And if they're going to only do a one day visit for whatever reason, then I don't care what park you put accross the way, they're going to Disneyland. There isn't anything that would possibly make people do one day at any other park and skip Disneyland. And likely never will be. So no, DCA isn't a failure by any stretch of the imagination except for those that have completely unrealistic ideas of reality. /rant and stepping off the soapbox. Sorry about that. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 06 17:24:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56788 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 01:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 01:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ev2p4-0003Eo-J6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <43BF1866.2050502@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:24:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a985344e8a60cc1c0d760e51a7663b1bcb4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: AstroWorld Ride Being Dismantled Catches On Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bE-0-jIA_aUEarjoI710IFvaeTjYOSHJZIrqrdXFW2dQnVw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: > > > > > Actually, cue is an acceptable variant of queue. I mean there is a > > > difference between an article making a false or absurd statement and > > > using alternate diction. One is worth pointing out, one is not. > > > > According to who? I've never seen that usage. > > Whaddya know, it's in the American Heritage Dictionary: > http://tinyurl.com/8qvzx > > Same with Merriam-Webster: > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary > Just a guess, but perhaps it's the British version? Goodness knows there are enough other spelling variations between the King's English and us crazy Americans. After all, which of us would be caught driving a colourful lorry onto an industrial lift? :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jan 06 23:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47413 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 07:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 07:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 07:32:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 07:31:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2006 07:31:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:31:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43BF1739.10704@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.146.250 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=3CGIXJeK4nWHxZd8hmOr6_H30_OTe-w8Zo-fHI_lkoeYRmRbvafO X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > DCA was the 7th most attended park in the country last year. Read=20 > that again- 7th most attended.=20 OK, point taken. It's only a bust if you compare it to Disneyland. The comparison with Disneyland is easy to make though, because it's (a) right next to it and (b) it costs the same. Don't get me wrong, though: I like DCA. It's a fun place. There's a lot that's done well. But I just can't help but compare it to Disneyland. On the other hand, though, how much of DCA's attendance is just "spillover" from Disneyland? I'm not even sure what a good way to measure that would be. > I wish that people would stop thinking about one day tickets for the=20 > park. People aren't going to get one day tickets for DCA any more=20 > than they're going to buy them for Animal Kingdom or MGM studios.=20=20 > And it would be stupid to market them that way- about as stupid to=20 > buy a ticket that way. Well, they do still sell one-day tickets to DCA. And there are probably plenty of locals who've never been to DCA, are interested in seeing "that other park they built next to Disneyland," but balk at paying the single-day admission. I'm just wondering what would happen if the one-day charge for DCA was, say, $10 cheaper than the main park. On the other hand, I'm not really sure how much they care about the one-day local visitors. Whatever fraction of the attendance they constitute, the fraction of the resort's profits they constitute has got to be a lot less. Plus there's the passholders, people who get discount tickets (though these are harder to come by), etc. So it's entirely possible that when I complain about the single-day ticket price for DCA, I'm speaking for a portion of their customer base that just isn't all that important from their perspective. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33495 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:24:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:24:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:24:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:24:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:24:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Quassy seeks 2 more slides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RM1rdqp1PdeZugbyuIyBpjVfFsjEVVnasndh2ocb4_n-hsI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 6, 2006 Republican-American http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=3D1158 BY MARRECCA FIORE MIDDLEBURY, CT -- Lovers of Quassy Amusement Park's Saturation=20 Station could be in for a treat Memorial Day: 2 new water slides. An owner of the family-friendly amusement park asked the Planning and=20 Zoning Commission on Thursday to allow the park to add 2 new slides=20 to Saturation Station, which would bring the attraction's number of=20 slides to 4. The commission took the application and site plan for review and will=20 continue discussion on the application when it meets again Feb. 2. Eric Anderson, one of the owners, said the new, enclosed slides would=20 be about 30'-high. One slide will be 206' in length, the other will=20 about 240'-long. "Saturation Station has proved to be such a great=20 attraction," Anderson said after meeting with the commission. "It's extremely popular with families and it's something the parents=20 can enjoy as well as the kids." Saturation Station is a family water play area at Quassy Beach. It=20 features more than "30 ways to get drenched," including water=20 cannons, fountains and a dumping bucket, according to Quassy's Web=20 site. To access the proposed slides, riders would climb the stairs of a 30'=20 tower from which the slides will run off. The new tower will be built=20 about 10'-12' away from the existing tower, Anderson said. The new=20 slides will encompass a 600-sq-ft area within the fenced-in=20 Saturation Station. Anderson said the infrastructure, including the electrical,=20 filtration and water systems, is already in place. "So it will be=20 much easier for us to put these up than it was the first time=20 around," he said. On the down side, the park is planning to "retire" its Titanic ride,=20 Anderson said. But the park plans to turn its existing maintenance building, in the=20 center of the park, into an ice cream shop. A new maintenance=20 facility will be built elsewhere in the park. Improvements at Quassy have been ongoing. Last year, the park=20 refurbished its carousel. In addition to planning and zoning approval, the park also must get=20 approval from the state Department of Health and the Department of=20 Public Safety before it can construct and open the new rides to the=20 public. ------ Copyright =A9 2006 Republican-American From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:31:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26586 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:31:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:30:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:30:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:30:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: N.Y. theme park could be next stop for AstroWorld's Serial Thriller ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ztbQqBJUUKq7ORMLa6RMHkoIGnAun5Agjj6pozJ07-6cfHY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 6, 2006 Houston Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2006/01/09/story7.html? from_rss=3D1 by Monica Perin Lake George, NY -- Houston AstroWorld's popular "Serial Thriller"=20 amusement ride may be headed for a new life in the state capital of=20 New York. The Albany Times Union newspaper reported last week that roller=20 coaster aficionados online and in town are buzzing with rumors that=20 the $10 million ride is already being set up at Six Flags' Great=20 Escape & Splashwater Kingdom near Albany. 6F is also the parent company of 6FAW, which closed permanently in=20 October after a 37-year ride. Other 6FAW rides and other park equipment and memorabilia are set to=20 be sold at a public auction scheduled for Jan. 6-8. More information=20 on the auction is available online at www.astroworldauction.com. Although the Albany Times reported last week that no official=20 announcement has been given to that city's town or county zoning=20 boards to indicate that the 50-mph, 100'-tall Serial Thriller ride is=20 coming to the area, 6F and other ride officials have not denied the=20 rumor. "We respect our clients' privacy and their marketing plans,"=20 Mike Teske, president of the ride's parent company, Vekoma, told the=20 newspaper. But, he added, "it sounds like you guys are gonna have a=20 lot of fun this year." The skeleton-like metallic apparatus that has appeared on 6FGE's=20 property is thought by locals to look very similar to 6FAW's Serial=20 Thriller, which Teske said is "easily distinguishable" from competing=20 rides. Mark Bardack, a spokesman for 6FGE, told the local paper that he=20 hopes to have "exciting news down the road" but refused to comment=20 further. 6F officials were not available to comment to the Houston Business=20 Journal on the report. The suspending looping coaster featuring an 86' drop, known in the=20 trade as a "hang and bang," opened at 6FAW in 1999. ---------- =A9 2006 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:38:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8222 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:38:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:35:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:35:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AstroWorld fans bid on memories of youth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xq-ZrbWxBcwmpZei4WhN1tve_SHXMjFEzPiXeXghzFWGa7s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 8, 2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060108-094949-6690r HOUSTON,TX -- Souvenir pencils, kitschy signs and gift shop mood=20 rings went on the auction block as the final curtain came down on=20 Houston's' AstroWorld amusement park. The park's owner, Six Flags Inc., closed 6FAW in October, citing=20 declining attendance and the soaring value of the 109 acres, the Los=20 Angeles Times reported. The auction this weekend was primarily meant for serious bidders=20 seeking high-dollar thrill rides and machinery. But for those who=20 grew up on the thrills the park offered, it was a chance to remember=20 their youth, the newspaper said. Houston developer and politician Roy Hofheinz opened AW in 1968,=20 expanding an empire that included the Astrodome across the freeway=20 and 4 hotels in what was called the "Astrodomain." Kenny Ryman, 42, visited AW every summer for 37 years. Inside the=20 auction warehouse, he spied a sign that said: "You Must Be 4' Tall to=20 Ride the Texas Cyclone." The Texas Cyclone was a wooden twister with a devoted following of=20 old-school roller coaster fans. "I grew up at this park," Ryman=20 said. "It's hard to talk about it all ending." ---------- =A9 2006 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:40:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13530 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:40:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:39:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:39:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:39:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AUS$1.5m new ride for Perth amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZBgvkUPlyS6CiRxvdTgGIDPdve1_sQvLsfZF_0qHp2-8PTw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06 Jan 2006 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D13441 =20 PERTH, AU -- Adventure World in Perth, Australia, opened an AUS$1.5m=20 6-lane ride on 3 December. With speeds of up to 70km an hour, the Aqua Super 6 Racer slide is=20 the sixth ride to have been installed at the park within the past 4=20 years. AW CEO Andrew Sharry said: "This 377ft slide pumps over 90 litres of=20 water per minute, but the most unique aspect of the ride is its=20 ability to rank riders at the finish line. "Sensors placed at the finish line can place riders within an=20 accuracy of 1/1000th of a second. But don't even consider cheating,=20 as the slide can detect if a rider has jumped the gun, and places=20 them last!" Details: www.adventureworld.net.au ------------ =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96556 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:46:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:45:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:45:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AstroWorld Fans Bid on Kitsch for the Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KCHRo9gBYYjYVJSHoHfGazz7MHtpvFC2sBt60gLf8MCWJvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 8, 2006 LA Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na- astroworld8jan08,1,6013642.story?coll=3Dla-headlines-nation By Lianne Hart HOUSTON, TX -=97 For the middle-age Houstonians digging through=20 bargain bins of T-shirts, 2'-long Texas-size combs and other park=20 souvenirs, it was a chance to reminisce, and even get a little misty=20 about the passing of an era =97 when Houston changed from a cow town to=20 Space City, the Astrodome was the last word in modern engineering and=20 AstroWorld was the definition of groovy summertime fun. This weekend, the roller coasters, fiberglass cartoon characters and=20 kitschy signs that were part of the AW amusement park for 37 years=20 went on the auction block. The park's owner, Six Flags Inc. based in Oklahoma City, closed AW in=20 October, citing declining attendance and the soaring value of 109=20 acres of land under the carousels and concession stands. The park has since been slowly dismantled, and the auction was=20 primarily meant for serious bidders seeking high-dollar thrill rides=20 and machinery. But for those who grew up on the thrills the park=20 offered, it was the little things that meant a lot. "This is my youth and my children's youth, right here," said Connie=20 Bloodworth, 56, lifting a cardboard box stuffed with souvenir pencils=20 and gift-shop mood rings. "You know Houston has to change and grow,=20 but it's sad, you hate to see this part of it end." Flamboyant Houston developer and politician Roy Hofheinz opened AW in=20 1968, expanding an empire that included the Astrodome across the=20 freeway and 4 hotels in what was called the "Astrodomain." 6F=20 eventually took over management of AW, adding steeper, more thrilling=20 roller coasters and gravity-defying rides that attracted a new=20 generation of park-goers. Heather Miller, 31, left the auction lugging 3 big bags stuffed with=20 T-shirts for her children. Passing the partially dismantled rides,=20 she stopped to study one of her favorites =97 Greezed Lightnin', which=20 propelled riders forward and backward at stomach-turning speeds. The=20 ride children dared each other to try was now just hunks of gray=20 steel scattered across the ground. "I never thought seeing something=20 like that would make me feel so sad," she said. Dominga Marez, 51, recalled that waiting in line during the hot=20 Houston summer was actually fun at AW because of what was then a=20 novel idea: outdoor air conditioning. "You couldn't wait to get to=20 the parts in line where the air would blow on you," she said. "Oh,=20 that felt so good." Kenny Ryman, 42, visited AW every summer for 37 years. Inside the=20 auction warehouse, he spied a sign that stopped him cold. "You Must=20 Be 4' Tall to Ride the Texas Cyclone." "Look, they just put this sign out here," he called to a friend. The=20 2 men wordlessly studied the old hand-painted sign for a good 30=20 seconds. The Texas Cyclone was a wooden twister with a devoted=20 following of old-school roller coaster fans. "I grew up at this=20 park," Ryman said finally. 'It's hard to talk about it all ending." He gestured in the direction of the Astrodome, which closed to major=20 league baseball in 1999. "First the dome, now this," he=20 said. "Hofheinz must be turning in his grave about now." Even after its closure, though, the Astrodome came back to life in a=20 gesture of hospitality =97 it gave temporary shelter to thousands of=20 evacuees from New Orleans who were displaced by Hurricane Katrina.=20 Its long-term future remains up in the air =97 although a private=20 company is interested in turning it into a hotel. 6F has operated AW since 1975, but there is a disconnect for many=20 Houstonians =97 AW is cherished, but 6F evokes little emotion. Which=20 may explain why Sharita Jones, checking out park souvenirs, quickly=20 rejected anything marked only with a 6F logo. "It doesn't remind you=20 of anything," she said, tossing aside unwanted coin purses and=20 candleholders. Jones wasn't sure what she would do with the AW souvenirs, but she=20 knew she had to buy something to remind her of this place. "Maybe=20 I'll put it in a curio cabinet and just look at it," she said. "I was=20 devastated when I heard AW was closing. It was part of your life, and=20 you want something that reminds you of what it was like. You don't=20 want to forget how it felt to be there." ----------- Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 09 12:51:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32380 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 20:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 20:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 20:51:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:50:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2006 20:50:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Adventureland founder dies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jlwXjgVbGwxJli42xDH8bZMsDeZDFJ1N-OZCZHl2Aoz1Fmg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 9, 2006 The Des Moines Register http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060109/NEWS/301090002/1001/rss01 Des Moines, Iowa -- Jack F. "Jack" Krantz, founder of Adventureland=20 Park and Resort, died Saturday at his home in Des Moines. He was 76. A 1946 graduate of North High School, Krantz, started a home- improvement business as a young man before expanding into 2 home=20 building companies. In the early 1970s, he founded Adventureland. Located in Altoona, the=20 family-owned site includes an amusement park, an inn and a campground=20 spread over 164 acres. "I always enjoyed amusement parks," Krantz=20 told The Register in 2005, "and it was one thing Iowa did not have. I=20 thought it would be a good thing to build in Iowa." A memorial service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at St. Augustin=20 Catholic Churcch, 42nd Street and Grand Ave. Visitation will be 1=20 hour prior to the service at the church, according to an=20 advertisement placed in today's Register by Dunn's Funeral Home. --------- =A9 2005, The Des Moines Register From serpmage@juno.com Mon Jan 09 13:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79297 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 21:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2006 21:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 21:39:56 -0000 Received: from webmail53.lax.untd.com (webmail53.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.193]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6FX8TAJPDXH2 for (sender ); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail53.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEA8QNWQ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:37:59 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail53.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:37:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:37:57 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060109.133759.13828.343271@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4234491719 X-MAIL-INFO:246891c959f1e8596969f115e81581d8d9dc5dad3895ddac11dcd95571f59859dd X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAJqIa3OJN9PQMbunwhddu1yX4ULBA4x48w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.193|webmail53.lax.untd.com|webmail53.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Bob Smith" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: N.Y. theme park could be next stop for A stroWorld's Serial Thriller ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=tSeb8U3s8pDpYkMLbFUGxeFBlH_HoFhAtQ8wmBwV4aYpSLCQlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >Journal on the report. > >The suspending looping coaster featuring an 86' drop, known in the=20 >trade as a "hang and bang," opened at 6FAW in 1999. >---------- >=A9 2006 American City Business Journals Inc. That's pretty funny that they use that term as if it were a good thing. ~Tim N. ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 07:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54010 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 15:18:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:18:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:18:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:18:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Family Sues Disneyland After Accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uA1TXjrHspDgrNzxZWjtUrTlb2yBCJxFPS3qh2smIe2a_CM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 9, 2006 The Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060110/ap_on_bi_ge/disneyland_suit_1 SANTA ANA, CA -- A Colorado family involved in a 2004 roller coaster=20 accident has sued Disneyland, alleging the theme park failed to=20 follow proper safety procedures on its Big Thunder Mountain Railroad=20 ride. The lawsuit says the Cope family of Telluride, CO, was on the ride=20 returning to the loading area when their train collided with another=20 one being loaded with new passengers. Gerald Cope suffered serious back injuries that have required=20 surgery, according to the lawsuit. The other family members =97 Cope's=20 wife and 2 children =97 suffered soft tissue injuries and emotional=20 distress in the July 8, 2004 incident, according to the claim. The lawsuit, filed Thursday in Orange County Superior Court, seeks=20 unspecified compensatory and emotional damages; medical and legal=20 fees and compensation for Gerald Cope's loss of income. In a statement, DL spokesman Rob Doughty said the company=20 has "repeatedly asked Mr. Cope for background information so we can=20 evaluate his claim =97 and we have yet to receive it." DL closed the ride for about 3 weeks following the accident. A report=20 from the state Division of Occupational Safety and Health found a DL=20 worker had failed to follow the procedure for removing a set of cars=20 from service. It also said the ride's control system was flawed. DL, owned by The Walt Disney Co., settled several lawsuits from a=20 separate September 2003 incident on the same ride that killed 1=20 person and injured 9 others. State investigators concluded the mishap was caused by improper=20 maintenance by outside machinists who did not understand or follow=20 the park's maintenance procedures. -------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 07:24:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48168 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 15:24:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:23:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:23:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Permits move forward plans for two new amusement park rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=thUyUQTQtzcA1cE6VycthXpSBG6btMTEBQUE9pVRkSNlWzk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 10, 2006 WPRI Fox 12 http://www.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4341461&nav=3DF2DO AGAWAM, MA -- Agawam's Board of Appeals voted unanimously to grant=20 special permits needed for 2 new rides planned at Six Flags New=20 England. Last night's vote allows park officials to move forward with plans to=20 build the rides. The permits in question are required for all planned=20 structures higher than 45' in Agawam. The new rides tentatively are called the Skyswatter and the White=20 Water Family Ride. The Skyswatter is expected to have an operating=20 height of 102'. The Family White Water Ride will have an operating=20 height of 59', and will be built on land following the demolition of=20 the Poland Spring Plunge, a water flume ride that has been in=20 operation since 1973. --------- Copyright 2005 Associated Press Copyright 2003-2006 WorldNow, WPRI and WNAC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 07:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28422 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 15:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 15:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 15:44:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:44:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 15:44:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:44:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Indoor amusement park seeks new mascot after 'Peanuts' talks falter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-pv6oLn-41rCMyYctWT19UEv46HK79uWj2rnTSBoFay6IkI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Tue, Jan. 10, 2006 St. Paul Pioneer Press http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/nation/13587759.htm BY SCOTT CARLSON Minneapolis, MN -- Good grief, Charlie Brown! Camp Snoopy, the Mall=20 of America's enormous indoor amusement park, is about to lose its=20 name and mascot. Representatives for the massive Bloomington mall said Monday that=20 effective Jan. 19, Camp Snoopy will be known simply as The Park at=20 MoA. The giant inflatable replica of the famous comic strip beagle=20 and a ride depicting a doghouse will be removed from the park. The mall said it is dropping Snoopy after negotiations on retaining=20 the name recently broke down. This ends a relationship between the mall and the "Peanuts"=20 characters created by St. Paul native Charles M. Schulz that dates=20 back to the megamall's 1992 opening. The 7-acre indoor amusement=20 center is the largest of its kind in the nation. In a statement, the mall said the amusement park and its more than 30=20 rides will remain open while the center seeks a new brand for the=20 attraction. The mall also will honor Camp Snoopy passes and tickets,=20 spokeswoman Julie Hansen said. Hansen said that although the mall is looking for other ways to=20 maintain ties with the "Peanuts" characters, it is committed=20 to "moving to bring something big, new and fresh" to the amusement=20 park. She declined to discuss details, noting only that the center=20 plans to make a "significant announcement soon." Until last spring, Camp Snoopy was managed by Cedar Fair LP, an Ohio- based company that has exclusive license from United Media to use the=20 Snoopy name at several amusement parks it owns or operates. United=20 Media owns the rights to the Peanuts characters. But then the mall terminated CF's management contract after the=20 Ghermezian family of Canada =97 the founders of the mall =97 won majority=20 ownership of the massive retail-entertainment complex. Hansen said=20 Monday the mall ended its agreement with CF to streamline business=20 operations and allow itself the flexibility to make changes in the=20 park without having to go through a managing partner. Hansen said CF was unwilling to allow the mall to advertise the=20 park "in the way we needed to promote the business." CF and United Media also lamented their inability to strike a new=20 deal. "We would have loved to keep the operating agreement and the=20 management contract with MoA, but unfortunately it had been=20 terminated," said Stacy Frole, CF director of investor relations. United Media issued a statement noting the Twin Cities' strong bond=20 with the Peanuts characters, including St. Paul's 5-year tribute to=20 Schulz, and said it was disappointed at the outcome: "Not having Camp=20 Snoopy at the MoA will be a great loss to the Minneapolis-St. Paul=20 metropolitan area." ----------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 08:04:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99293 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 16:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2006 16:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2006 16:04:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 16:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 16:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2006 16:04:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:04:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: High spirits mark Coming-of-Age Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NyG_G6mIElwKwRS5SMKMXqVvZ29hk4glALIH7xj1jKUk6-I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 10, 2006 The Yomiuri Shimbun http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20060110TDY03004.htm Mukouyama, Nerima Tokyo, JP -- Screams of excitement were heard and a=20 scuffle seen at Coming-of-Age Day celebrations held across the=20 country Monday. In Toshima Ward, Tokyo, 4,486 people coming of age attended a=20 celebration ceremony held at Toshimaen amusement park in the ward. Since all of them were given complimentary tickets, some left in the=20 middle of the ceremony to get on rides. The amusement park was filled with screams from young women riding=20 roller coasters in beautiful long-sleeved kimonos. In Morioka, however, men attending the coming-of-age ceremony=20 scuffled with Iwate Prefectural Assembly member and professional=20 wrestler The Great Sasuke, who had been invited as a special guest. A man in the front row let off a firecracker around 1:40 p.m. during=20 a speech by Morioka Mayor Hiroaki Tanifuji at the ceremony attended=20 by 2,500 people. Sasuke grabbed the man's arm and urged him to leave the hall, but the=20 man resisted and about 10 of his friends also in attendance=20 surrounded Sasuke and were threatening to attack him. City officials=20 separated them and succeeded in getting the fray under control. "I am=20 sorry to see such a fuss at the Coming-of-Age Day ceremony in Iwate=20 [Prefecture]," said Sasuke. -------- =A9 The Yomiuri Shimbun From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Jan 10 18:02:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43321 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 02:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 02:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 02:02:25 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060111010501014002c5g4e>; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:05:01 +0000 Message-ID: <017901c6164a$bede52b0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:02:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Indoor amusement park seeks new mascot after 'Peanuts' talks falter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=1opfh9h8VCCk_gDv40iQ2CIzSs356Gs-fhCEW7wlkkmbQ-Tj0iM X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > Monday the mall ended its agreement with CF to streamline business > operations and allow itself the flexibility to make changes in the > park without having to go through a managing partner. The truth is MoA management believed they could run Camp Snoopy better and cheaper themselves, so they terminated with CF. The loss of the Peanuts license was a colossal woops and a hopelessly poor management decision. No more Kite Eating Tree, Snoopy Bounce or Red Baron not to mention the entire theme of the park will now need to be retooled. To think this is happening at the Mall of America not to mention the birthplace of Charles Schulz at the hands of two Canadian-Iranians makes this all the more maddening. > Hansen said CF was unwilling to allow the mall to advertise the > park "in the way we needed to promote the business." Could they have come up with a more vague and lame excuse for their stupidity? Peace, Mark From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jan 11 01:09:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79633 invoked by uid 7800); 11 Jan 2006 09:09:34 -0000 Date: 11 Jan 2006 09:09:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1136970574.15.79632.m35@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Of the 25 top-ranked wooden coasters on Mitch Hawker's coaster poll, which have you ridden? Mark all coasters you have ridden at least once in your life. CHOICES AND RESULTS - #1: Balder, Liseberg, 0 votes, 0.00% - #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood, 2 votes, 2.90% - #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce, 6 votes, 8.70% - #4: Tremors, Silverwood, 1 votes, 1.45% - #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland, 1 votes, 1.45% - #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's, 8 votes, 11.59% - #7: Hades, Mount Olympus, 4 votes, 5.80% - #8: Rampage, Visionland, 1 votes, 1.45% - #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls, 4 votes, 5.80% - #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure, 5 votes, 7.25% - #11: Raven, Holiday World, 5 votes, 7.25% - #12: Colossos, Heide Park, 1 votes, 1.45% - #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City, 1 votes, 1.45% - #14: Megafobia, Oakwood, 0 votes, 0.00% - #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach, 5 votes, 7.25% - #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood, 1 votes, 1.45% - #17: The Legend, Holiday World, 5 votes, 7.25% - #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE, 2 votes, 2.90% - #19: Grand National, Blackpool, 2 votes, 2.90% - #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm, 6 votes, 8.70% - #21: Comet, Great Escape, 2 votes, 2.90% - #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland, 0 votes, 0.00% - #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix, 1 votes, 1.45% - #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's, 3 votes, 4.35% - #25: Cyclone, Astroland, 3 votes, 4.35% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - #1: Balder, Liseberg - #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood - jophish17@comcast.net - gburnash@earthlink.net - #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - jophish17@comcast.net - munkye1972@yahoo.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - #4: Tremors, Silverwood - bethtoons@gmail.com - #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland - munkye1972@yahoo.com - #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - jophish17@comcast.net - munkye1972@yahoo.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - gburnash@earthlink.net - uclach@yahoo.com - #7: Hades, Mount Olympus - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - #8: Rampage, Visionland - jophish17@comcast.net - #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com - #11: Raven, Holiday World - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - gburnash@earthlink.net - #12: Colossos, Heide Park - munkye1972@yahoo.com - #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City - bethtoons@gmail.com - #14: Megafobia, Oakwood - #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com - gburnash@earthlink.net - #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood - bethtoons@gmail.com - #17: The Legend, Holiday World - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - onhisown@comcast.net - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - gburnash@earthlink.net - #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - bethtoons@gmail.com - #19: Grand National, Blackpool - munkye1972@yahoo.com - uclach@yahoo.com - #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - bethtoons@gmail.com - aelk2004@yahoo.com - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - gburnash@earthlink.net - uclach@yahoo.com - #21: Comet, Great Escape - bethtoons@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland - #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix - munkye1972@yahoo.com - #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - aelk2004@yahoo.com - gburnash@earthlink.net - #25: Cyclone, Astroland - munkye1972@yahoo.com - aelk2004@yahoo.com - wchilds@law.wnec.edu For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jan 11 01:10:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83146 invoked by uid 7800); 11 Jan 2006 09:10:39 -0000 Date: 11 Jan 2006 09:10:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1136970639.16.83139.m28@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: This is kind of an unofficial followup to Mitch Hawker's coaster poll. Of the 25 top-ranked wooden coasters, which one is your personal favorite? CHOICES AND RESULTS - #1: Balder, Liseberg, 0 votes, 0.00% - #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood, 1 votes, 7.69% - #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce, 1 votes, 7.69% - #4: Tremors, Silverwood, 2 votes, 15.38% - #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland, 1 votes, 7.69% - #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's, 1 votes, 7.69% - #7: Hades, Mount Olympus, 1 votes, 7.69% - #8: Rampage, Visionland, 0 votes, 0.00% - #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls, 0 votes, 0.00% - #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure, 1 votes, 7.69% - #11: Raven, Holiday World, 1 votes, 7.69% - #12: Colossos, Heide Park, 0 votes, 0.00% - #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City, 0 votes, 0.00% - #14: Megafobia, Oakwood, 0 votes, 0.00% - #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach, 0 votes, 0.00% - #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood, 0 votes, 0.00% - #17: The Legend, Holiday World, 2 votes, 15.38% - #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE, 0 votes, 0.00% - #19: Grand National, Blackpool, 0 votes, 0.00% - #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm, 1 votes, 7.69% - #21: Comet, Great Escape, 0 votes, 0.00% - #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland, 0 votes, 0.00% - #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix, 0 votes, 0.00% - #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's, 1 votes, 7.69% - #25: Cyclone, Astroland, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - #1: Balder, Liseberg - #2: Thunderhead, Dollywood - jophish17@comcast.net - #3: Boulder Dash, Lake Compounce - wchilds@law.wnec.edu - #4: Tremors, Silverwood - bethtoons@gmail.com - gregleg@gregleg.com - #5: Aska, Nara Dreamland - munkye1972@yahoo.com - #6: Phoenix, Knoebel's - jay@karenandjay.com - #7: Hades, Mount Olympus - onhisown@comcast.net - #8: Rampage, Visionland - #9: Avalanche, Timber Falls - #10: Shivering Timbers, Michigan's Adventure - mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com - #11: Raven, Holiday World - coasterdude318@gmail.com - #12: Colossos, Heide Park - #13: Ozark Wildcat, Celebration City - #14: Megafobia, Oakwood - #15: Cornball Express, Indiana Beach - #16: Timber Terror, Silverwood - #17: The Legend, Holiday World - exitenglish@gmail.com - scrunch17@yahoo.com - #18: Coaster, Playland at the PNE - #19: Grand National, Blackpool - #20: GhostRider, Knott's Berry Farm - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - #21: Comet, Great Escape - #22: Falken, Farup Sommerland - #23: Tonnerre de Zeus, Parc Asterix - #24: New Mexico Rattler, Cliff's - aelk2004@yahoo.com - #25: Cyclone, Astroland For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71677 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 11:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 11:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 11:17:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 11:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 11:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 11:17:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:17:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.98 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: High spirits mark Coming-of-Age Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=s_-6f1fKrEDOsDOUSZIHi_vjyVwV-RI_v_nH8ZOP9iseVOWcJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Jan. 10, 2006 > The Yomiuri Shimbun > http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20060110TDY03004.htm >=20 >=20 > Mukouyama, Nerima Tokyo, JP -- Screams of excitement were heard and a=20 > scuffle seen at Coming-of-Age Day celebrations held across the=20 > country Monday. >=20 > In Toshima Ward, Tokyo, 4,486 people coming of age attended a=20 > celebration ceremony held at Toshimaen amusement park in the ward. Weird, the Yomiuri Shinbun newspaper is the same company that owns the Yomiuri baseball team and the Yomiuriland amusement park. The "scuffle" occured at a separate location, so why bother mentioning the rival park?=20 Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 05:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94482 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 13:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 13:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 13:12:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 13:11:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 13:11:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:11:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=w5eZMtjpCdrLVYJPH5kbh2K4aQ4ti6uTooXBOCBTeQAZma72q_-wjSM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, I've heard that the theme parks in orlando get quite busy in mid march=20 due to the spring break. SO how long will queues be in Disneyworld,=20 universal and busch gardens? Are we talking 1 hour? 2 hours?? more? Thanks. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 05:22:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19649 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 13:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 13:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 13:22:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 33230 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 13:21:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060111132132.33228.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:21:32 -0800 (PST) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Reply-To: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: 2-day tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=-KaU-Aag7gyv-JgzAzJNCOcOb2e1nFoOMN_Q7naiRA6vWs4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there aren't any discounts for getting two-day tickets from for the Orlando parks, but I wanted to know if there were any brokers online that offered good deals. Does anyone know of places to buy tix, or is the best bet just the Disney website? Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sunshine8870@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 05:49:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: sunshine8870@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30021 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 13:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 13:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 13:49:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 13:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 13:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 13:47:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:47:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.203.70.242 From: "Tara" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99865433; y=dh3wDtzcJiIajEbEN3oAQmiTOBBHjtHwNeoKKLF11ZyGvnuENjYs X-Yahoo-Profile: sunshine8870 does anybody have any information on any upcoming new rides or=20 rollercoasters for 2006? From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jan 11 06:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3457 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0BEAdN1030731 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:11:18 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:10:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12AFCA3D-9EF3-4511-B262-72BAE3E94751@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:10:32 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 14:10:39.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCADBED0:01C616B8] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Oz8zz-sqLY-6kEyQC7hNrY0Ca986-bkkVaM9r4F2-u5KJgRF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon We sure do: http://tinyurl.com/7knmk Cameron. On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Tara wrote: > does anybody have any information on any upcoming new rides or > rollercoasters for 2006? > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** He was a little dog, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** named Snuggles. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jan 11 06:24:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68480 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from webmail16.lax.untd.com (webmail16.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.156]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6LFF4AA5Y93J for (sender ); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail16.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEFLKNL4; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:21:56 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail16.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:21:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:21:38 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060111.062156.21024.363581@webmail16.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1405260641 X-MAIL-INFO:552efb1fa7e39ba7baefe35a9b5ac76f232fcfe7020a67bb7a2f23133eb303a767 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAMfSuKBTc8mwCGIodiT6ARcEF+3v1p1SXg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.156|webmail16.lax.untd.com|webmail16.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=YbkM2HkKnJftj3keM4xakU9klk76zvTdMXzsgftWih-LLRzzwg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Um, yes. Having worked Sea World and IOA in the past, things get quite bus= y, though usually not quite as bad as peak times in the summer or the outri= ght madhouse between christmas and new year's. The parks like IOA, MGM, an= d BGT are generally more affected by Spring Break than the other parks beca= use of the demographics of the crowds, but MK is always busy and with EPCOT= 's new rides, I'm sure that park is drawing a little better than it has in = the past. Expect to wait for Spiderman for about an hour and a half as lon= g as there's no down time, probably the same or slightly more for Sheikra (= they've got a great loading system and crank ppl through quite fast most of= the time for such a new ride). Tower of Terror? 2 hrs easy and probably = the same for Rock'n Roller Coaster. Now granted, I haven't been to any of = the parks during peak times for a few years now so things may have changed = a bit. My personal advice? If you can work it, go in Sept. Almost every = ride will be a walk on. Tim N. -------------------------------------- Original Text: -------------------------------------- Hi, I've heard that the theme parks in orlando get quite busy in mid march=20 due to the spring break. SO how long will queues be in Disneyworld,=20 universal and busch gardens? Are we talking 1 hour? 2 hours?? more? Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 07:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79763 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 15:01:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 14:58:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 14:58:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:58:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12AFCA3D-9EF3-4511-B262-72BAE3E94751@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5KUxo4v-0HYMGdENWF7uCzsfVHMgX-L4Jfy1qub5CqcKgBM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 And to piggy-back on Cameron's note, I, and others, am always posting=20 news about new rides and what-not. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > We sure do: > http://tinyurl.com/7knmk > Cameron. >=20 > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Tara wrote: > > does anybody have any information on any upcoming new rides or > > rollercoasters for 2006? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 07:18:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44807 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 15:18:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:18:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Unusually quiet as Iraq celebrates Eid al-Adha X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Eo71be8i4E5nqE8JdasKNQescpmcbWV3bNUVc1iiDKXd_jU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This article shows that Amusement Parks seem to be a common element=20 around the world, regardless of Religion/Politics. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 01/11/2006 The Associated Press The Salt Lake Tribune http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3390873?source=3Drss By Patrick Quinn=20 BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Shiite and Sunni Arabs packed mosques and markets=20 brimming with sweets, while children laughed as they tilted up and=20 down on a ride at an amusement park in a run-down Baghdad=20 neighborhood. Sheep, meanwhile, were slaughtered and hung by their hind legs and=20 food was distributed to the poor Tuesday as Iraqis celebrated the=20 Islamic feast of sacrifice, Eid al-Adha, on a rare day with no=20 reports of violence. The holiday also prompted conciliatory words as Muslims from both=20 sects called for an end to the bloodshed that has wracked Iraq since=20 last month's elections. But Sunni Arabs tempered their appeals with=20 renewed calls for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. The celebrations also were marred as they came less than a week after=20 more than 120 people were killed in suicide bombings in the Shiite=20 holy city of Karbala and at a police recruiting center in Ramadi.=20 Suicide bombers also infiltrated the heavily fortified Interior=20 Ministry compound Monday in Baghdad and killed 29 Iraqis - an attack=20 claimed by al-Qaida in Iraq. At least 498 Iraqis and 54 U.S. forces have been killed following the=20 Dec. 15 elections, but no attacks were reported Tuesday. --------- Copyright 2005, The Salt Lake Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 07:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25008 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 15:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 15:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 15:24:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:24:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:24:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:24:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Clydesdale Handler Hurt In SeaWorld Carriage Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BjDJkfJka1eI4l1RTclUIAvmkxFQCnaOkt1lKRFT4Po-Wc0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 9, 2006 NBC San Diego http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/5959946/detail.html?rss=3Ddgo&psp=3Dnews SAN DIEGO, CA -- A horse handler at the Sea World amusement park was=20 injured when a carriage being pulled by Clydesdale horses tipped over=20 while rounding a tight corner. The carriage was being pulled Sunday by8 of the powerful horses, 5 of=20 which went down in the crash. One of 2 drivers was thrown from the carriage. A Sea World spokesman did not immediately return a message left seeking=20 comment Monday. --------- Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 07:31:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23853 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 15:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 15:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 15:31:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:31:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 15:31:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:31:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney draws record traffic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VNXp6eVMpwYobdzWxbZ0cmQ1P6BDxlWjhm1AstHmbm1SwUY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 11 2006 Bloomberg News Sun-Sentinel http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/local/orl- disney1106jan11,0,1837482.story?coll=3Dsfla-business-headlines Orlando, FL -- Walt Disney Co., the world's largest theme-park=20 operator, set a holiday-season attendance record at its Walt Disney=20 World resort in Florida. "Parks had a great holiday season," CFO=20 Thomas Staggs, 45, said Tuesday at a Citigroup media conference in=20 Phoenix. In attendance, "we actually set a record at WDW." A marketing campaign to promote the 50th anniversary of Disneyland in=20 Anaheim, Ca., boosted attendance throughout Disney's parks and=20 resorts unit, Staggs said. WDW overcame disruptions and closures=20 caused by hurricanes. "We really had a nice end to the quarter,"=20 Staggs said. "We had a little bit of a slow start due to the=20 hurricanes." Staggs didn't disclose attendance figures or 1st-quarter sales at the=20 parks and resorts division, which had revenue of $9.02 billion in the=20 fiscal year ended Oct. 1. Central Florida's big 3 theme parks - WDW, Universal Orlando and=20 SeaWorld Orlando - all reported brisk business over the winter=20 holidays. Crowds were so heavy at WDW the week after Christmas that the Magic=20 Kingdom parking lot was closed briefly one day as it reached capacity=20 in the early afternoon. The parks generally consider the holiday season to start 2 weeks=20 before Christmas and to stretch through New Year's Day. Overall, 2005 was a strong year for attendance at WDW's 4 theme=20 parks, with the Magic Kingdom coming in again as the most-visited=20 park in North America and the world. More than 16 million people visited the park, a 6.5% increase,=20 according to figures from Amusement Business, a trade publication. ----------- Copyright 2006, Sun-Sentinel Co. & South Florida Interactive Inc. From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jan 11 08:07:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1014 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from webmail15.lax.untd.com (webmail15.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.155]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6LMJ3AQN86LJ for (sender ); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail15.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEFSJFD5; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:06:07 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail15.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:05:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:05:23 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060111.080607.14905.364219@webmail15.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:219728806 X-MAIL-INFO:1597973aabdb3afada9a73b79aca73bf77bacfafbe7eef93839f7e8b8e9fafaf2acaee6ea32757d727ebeb57e7d7e7f74f6b8b1b8aea93f3674a8b6b03aecb1727f3 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hANMGVTedF1Xs4RfRHBh9L0KIexswVJ+mYA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.155|webmail15.lax.untd.com|webmail15.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=Pgz_uNLEoEvFGH_wQ0iFFKKKbJzq3FiEVvStrgDlKGo02LnZBg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Hey, according to RCDB, Sea World Orlando is building a new family coaster.= Does anyone know anything about that? Is it a clone of the Shamu Express= in SanAntonio? Tim N. ---------------------------------- Original Message: ---------------------------------- We sure do: http://tinyurl.com/7knmk Cameron. On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Tara wrote: > does anybody have any information on any upcoming new rides or > rollercoasters for 2006? > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 08:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81448 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 16:24:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:24:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=t_UHDiT8P6ua3MM-e7R69eN4U0HRQux9b_gj3t3oHt2vQgE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 10, 2006 The Motley Fool Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/fool/20060110/bs_fool_fool/113690169201 By Rick Aristotle Munarriz The Internet can be a pretty viral place. It can also be a pretty=20 gullible one. That's why folks forward emails expecting Bill Gates to=20 send them money, or why sending over your bank account information to=20 help a Nigerian prince launder money reeks more of opportunity than=20 the obvious fraud. There's one particular rumor going around, alleging that Six Flags=20 will be initiating a new policy for 2006 that won't let guests - even=20 season passholders - reenter the park after they leave. It's a pretty=20 ludicrous notion. Locals often pack snacks in their cars. Young=20 family vacationers often head out for afternoon naps before heading=20 back to the park at night. A little due diligence would also sink that rumor like a stone. For=20 instance, the company operates a few year-round parks, and January=20 has been business as usual. Oh, and season passes are being sold=20 promising "unlimited visits" all year long. So how did this rumor get started? Once Washington Redskins owner Dan=20 Snyder emerged victorious in his proxy battle and put former ESPN=20 programming guru Mark Shapiro in charge, the apparent hoax was easy=20 to concoct. Snyder promised changes at 6F, and since fans at a=20 Redskins game can't be allowed to reenter the stadium, it was easier=20 to jump to conclusions than to jump over the regional park operator's=20 turnstiles. It's flawed logic, of course. Disney has owned a baseball team and an=20 ice hockey squad, yet that policy never got in the way of the leading=20 theme park chain's readmittance policies. Motley Fool Inside Value=20 pick Anheuser-Busch owned the St. Louis Cardinals until 1996, but it=20 never stopped hand-stamping guests on the way out of Sea World or=20 Busch Gardens if they planned to return later in the day. Besides, it's not a really good rumor anyway. More creative=20 firestarters could have gone with something like: - No beer sales will be allowed after the third quarter - of a funnel=20 cake has been eaten. - Bottles, jugs, thermoses, cans, coolers and corny "I Survived" t- shirts will not be allowed inside the parks. - Tailgating is permitted, as long as it is within a 10' radius of=20 the churro cart. - If you need to use a restroom, sign up at the appropriate waiting=20 list. - Joe Gibbs has carte blanche on line-cutting and demanding the front=20 seat on every coaster. Now watch one or more of those start circulating around the Internet=20 as if it's the real deal. Just my luck. Personally, I'm excited about what Shapiro and Snyder have to offer.=20 Investors seem to agree, since the stock has continued to inch higher=20 despite the company pulling itself off the bidding block last month.=20 Unless I miss my mark, I should be at 3 different 6F parks in early=20 June, so I'll be back with my field research. Amusement park investing can be a pretty rewarding experience. 6F is=20 on a roll and Cedar Fair was recommended to Motley Fool Income=20 Investor subscribers thanks to its enviable streak of consistent=20 performance and annual distribution hikes. So let's see about 6F. I'll offer a new batch of rumors if this "no=20 reentry" rumor bears fruit. With Shapiro and Snyder realizing that=20 customer service is one of the former chieftain's greatest=20 shortcomings, I expect the slate of rules for 2006 to be more guest- friendly, not more restrictive. ----------- =A9 2006 Motley Fool =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 10:21:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16069 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 18:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 18:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 18:21:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 18:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 18:20:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:20:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060111.062156.21024.363581@webmail16.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ZVuDnsTyW59yfMIK9Ody6vXe1QDyjk_IwwevNGvDeihi077a1TKK X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." =20 wrote: > > My personal advice? If you can work it, go in Sept. Almost every=20 > ride will be a walk on. I don't have any current plans to visit, but what are Orlando crowds=20 and weather like in, say, February? I hear that's prime manatee-viewing=20 season (so I could do both that and visit parks), and I'd like to avoid=20 anything remotely close to summer in Florida. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 11 10:56:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85366 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 18:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 18:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 18:56:19 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0BIuFVq007302 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:56:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01da01c616e0$c0223330$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:56:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0ESc6hU01FllHpA_qXZTSfKvetbbi5ImkTiYa4BGerTUlPZPii6AZtKtMw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > does anybody have any information on any upcoming new rides or > rollercoasters for 2006? Gotta toot my own horn here... www.screamscape.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 13:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58185 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 21:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 21:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 21:11:09 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwnFN-0003ub-22 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <43C5746F.6040108@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:11:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060111132132.33228.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060111132132.33228.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a5bef7edc4e3ff52f86acd9e30df1a7299350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 2-day tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8HuT7iG9UCETgxHw0k2BKoAd9QTXZ4XBOe0OBTpTMCu5_BE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > I know there aren't any discounts for getting two-day tickets from for > the Orlando parks, but I wanted to know if there were any brokers online > that offered good deals. Does anyone know of places to buy tix, or is > the best bet just the Disney website? > Best bet is either Disney, or someone you can trust like AAA to buy from. Much of anything else you're running into timeshares (go sit for 3 hours with a high pressure sales pitch to get your tickets) or run a high risk of the tickets being fraudulent in some way (a huge problem in the area). If you're looking for a 2 day ticket, best bet might be to try to find a local and see if they can get one for you, as there is a discount for the locals. But I'm not sure what all is involved in that. keep on ridin' George (who's been trying to find a cheap way to do WDW but hasn't found it yet) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 13:53:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34091 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 21:53:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 21:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 21:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2006 21:53:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060111.062156.21024.363581@webmail16.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.173.23 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=9nAZFwW-AltqYmB3kvv2MIKLzE7rSjedjTSThW9FP5THE4ui9Y7IhPc X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." wrote: > > Um, yes. Having worked Sea World and IOA in the past, things get quite busy, though usually not quite as bad as peak times in the summer or the outright madhouse between christmas and new year's. *SNIP* Thanks for the reply - do any of the parks have single rider queues? Ps - I chose march to coincide with a friends visit... From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 14:25:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6539 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwoOv-0002PY-Qs for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43C585C4.5010602@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060111.062156.21024.363581@webmail16.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20060111.062156.21024.363581@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a59b2dcd4d0af30c736ea0ee7717ea1c06350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=k9T7dI1pz6dNFvS0KBSFgz1Cz6sOASbCEjJD9iKdnd1CAzA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Tim N. wrote: > Um, yes. Having worked Sea World and IOA in the past, things get quite > busy, though usually not quite as bad as peak times in the summer or the > outright madhouse between christmas and new year's. The parks like IOA, > MGM, and BGT are generally more affected by Spring Break than the other > parks because of the demographics of the crowds, but MK is always busy > and with EPCOT's new rides, I'm sure that park is drawing a little > better than it has in the past. Expect to wait for Spiderman for about > an hour and a half as long as there's no down time, probably the same or > slightly more for Sheikra (they've got a great loading system and crank > ppl through quite fast most of the time for such a new ride). Tower of > Terror? 2 hrs easy and probably the same for Rock'n Roller Coaster. > Now granted, I haven't been to any of the parks during peak times for a > few years now so things may have changed a bit. My personal advice? If > you can work it, go in Sept. Almost every ride will be a walk on. Pretty much what he said. Spring Break isn't the busiest time of year, but it's not far off from it. All the parks are pretty busy at that point- enough so that as a local, we don't even think about going to the parks during that time, but rather look for other options. I'd actually rather be at them during the summer- as long as it's on weekdays, then during Spring Break, because you don't know if it's going to be moderately busy or packed. But you can expect a lot of people and fairly long waits. > > Tim N. BTW Tim, good to see you posting again! It's been way to long since we've heard from you. How have you been doing? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 14:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8824 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwoRX-0006Ke-Jc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: <43C58666.7020104@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:27:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060111.080607.14905.364219@webmail15.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20060111.080607.14905.364219@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a545532ccdc688470afae74a8f459dcf26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jaXlhiuswCO1k7sXm5FuiPEe8Nsu4TPg4z-vn2x9M3HtdBE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Tim N. wrote: > Hey, according to RCDB, Sea World Orlando is building a new family > coaster. Does anyone know anything about that? Is it a clone of the > Shamu Express in SanAntonio? > As far as I know, yes. If it's not a clone, then it's probably not going to be much different. It's almost certain to have the same kind of Shamu cars that San Antonio has. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jan 11 14:28:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34924 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from webmail44.lax.untd.com (webmail44.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.184]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6MBVHACV79FS for (sender ); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail44.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEGGCEM8; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:27:19 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail44.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:24 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060111.142719.8674.1242@webmail44.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:4089728351 X-MAIL-INFO:2641fd7d6465c964e4e46510c91054d034949050f4d1d529a19434e555a46d64d5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAFw3UUFfX4AN9KW36nRIMOrZlV76sOYcWg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.184|webmail44.lax.untd.com|webmail44.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid mar ch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=yvKgVCNIdqz2EVWb361qYpyiOM7S2jHB6k94_zI1iPDaENJp0g X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr I can't speak authoritatively for any of the Disney parks, but I don't thin= k that they do for much of anything. At USF and IOA though, when things ge= t busy there are usually single rider lines for Spiderman, Hulk, I think Bl= uto's Barges, J.P. River, MIB, ET, once in a while Back to the Future, and = I would imagine Mummy. They've tried to do one at Dueling Dragons before, = but it didn't work, the queue just doesn't really work for that unless they= 've changed something recently. I don't recall ever seeing one at either BGT or SWO. Tim N. --------------------------- Original Message: --------------------------- --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." wrote: > > Um, yes. Having worked Sea World and IOA in the past, things get quite busy, though usually not quite as bad as peak times in the summer or the outright madhouse between christmas and new year's. *SNIP* Thanks for the reply - do any of the parks have single rider queues? Ps - I chose march to coincide with a friends visit... ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 14:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83365 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:31:33 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwoVA-0001rS-NY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <43C58747.1020108@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:31:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a5415fa2babd0a6308082d9e9c682ec76f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=WiscdUfIuBXprTlIWJX-Z29RvmP7xt3SQdBgQlUnSfXBdyI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." > wrote: > > > > My personal advice? If you can work it, go in Sept. Almost every > > ride will be a walk on. > > I don't have any current plans to visit, but what are Orlando crowds > and weather like in, say, February? I hear that's prime manatee-viewing > season (so I could do both that and visit parks), and I'd like to avoid > anything remotely close to summer in Florida. > February is wonderful!! The weather is great (not to cold, but not hot either) and the crowds at the parks tend to be very light. About the only time that might be a little different is President's Day. But even that wasn't bad last year (can't remember which park we went to on that day) And the Manatees are certainly easy to spot then- if you know where to go. There is a great place about 10 minutes down the road from me, about 15 minutes south of Tampa. Local power plant warms the water up there and they just swarm in. We were there a couple of weeks ago and there were hundreds of them there. Just incredible. If you're coming, let me know and I'll be sure to let you know how to get to it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 14:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72653 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwoXb-000432-2b for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:34:03 -0500 Message-ID: <43C587DE.3010608@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:34:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a530b13976caf5c1ca4f0c772935d8d81c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=OS_rE_2jmDTJC49zvzlrkVs5rCYcX5AY_oi42N-3zmET5GU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > Thanks for the reply - do any of the parks have single rider queues? Universal does on most of their attractions. It does come in handy. I'm not sure about Disney at all. Sea World, if I recall right, does for Journey and Kraken, but I'm not positive (I'll give it a look again this weekend when we go) > > Ps - I chose march to coincide with a friends visit... When in March is the key. If it's early, you'll probably be ok. If it's later on, you're looking to run into the crowds. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jan 11 14:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42769 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:34:46 -0000 Received: from webmail44.lax.untd.com (webmail44.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.184]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6MB8WALPC59S for (sender ); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail44.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEGGQC3U; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:33:50 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail44.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:33:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:33:48 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060111.143350.8674.1308@webmail44.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2238802719 X-MAIL-INFO:2641fd7d6465c964e4e46510c91054d034949050f4d1d529a19434e555a46d64d5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAFw3UUFfX4ANg1dVmsTxIZfjxijboxKQBw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.184|webmail44.lax.untd.com|webmail44.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=9MmiZJEbkqPfI69R7UHRb50K2zIzvJrI3YRuT96GqeCh8tDDQA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Well, I couldn't keep up with all the activity of the group as I went into = my senior year, not that an aerospace engineering design project is all tha= t demanding :) so I switched to receiving the digest, then turned it off en= tirely, as the digests were just waay too long to read. Now I'm over workin in Melbourne, livin off of taxpayer dollars. I have to= say though, it's tough loosing all my contacts in Orlando who used to work= at the parks. Now that I can't go to any park I want, whenever I want, fo= r free, it's a little tougher to go as much as I would like, ;) though I di= d break down and buy a BGT and SWO passport. Tim N. ---------------------- Original Message ---------------------- BTW Tim, good to see you posting again! It's been way to long since=20 we've heard from you. How have you been doing? keep on ridin' George --=20 ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 14:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20630 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 22:43:08 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwogO-00046e-7X for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:43:08 -0500 Message-ID: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:43:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a5ac36c84a2470e2b31daf7e0f8586ce3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Rb1BqoyHZQ0jJEaHkNeUy4lstv6i0KzZV9P1yO6wIJxZiw4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > There's one particular rumor going around, alleging that Six Flags > will be initiating a new policy for 2006 that won't let guests - even > season passholders - reenter the park after they leave. It's a pretty > ludicrous notion. Locals often pack snacks in their cars. Young > family vacationers often head out for afternoon naps before heading > back to the park at night. > > A little due diligence would also sink that rumor like a stone. For > instance, the company operates a few year-round parks, and January > has been business as usual. Oh, and season passes are being sold > promising "unlimited visits" all year long. Unfortunately, in this case, Motley is wrong. It's not just a rumor. Posted on URC's forums is a response from SFGAd's customer service which outlines the new policy: --begin quote -- Please let me clarify some of the new policies here at Six Flags Great Adventure, which do vary from some of the other Six Flags parks due to our three separately-gated attractions. At Six Flags Great Adventure, Theme/Safari combination tickets, 3-Park tickets, Theme/Safari season passes and 3-Park season passes do allow for same-day exiting and re-entry. We will not allow re-entry with single-park tickets (i.e. Theme Park only, Safari only, or Harbor only) or Hurricane Harbor-only season passes. Restricting re-entry is a standard practice for most entertainment venues, including concerts and sporting events. As a guest at our parks, you can attest that they are well attended. By allowing guests to re-enter the park on a same-day visit, we limit the number of guests that may visit on any single day during the season. We have become accustomed to saving space and we simply can't do that anymore. Our parks are near capacity in the heat of summer and we have to manage that demand. We must manage capacity for the guests that are at our front gate and want to come in and enjoy the park * not for those who might come back. -- end quote -- In other words, if you don't have a season pass, or a multi-park ticket, you're not going to be allowed to reenter the park once you leave. If you're just a regular joe with a standard one ticket, you better not leave for any reason or they're not letting you back in. So, our new Six Flags team is doing real good so far. Let's see, they've: 1. Killed a highly successful ad campaign (Mr. Six) 2. Raised ticket prices so that SFMM and SFGAd cost more than Disneyland to go in for one day 3. Have stared to eliminate same day re-entries at the some of the parks. Well, I'm certainly impressed so far. I'm almost starting to wish for Burke at this point. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 15:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55685 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 23:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2006 23:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 23:24:43 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so237095wra for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.182.20 with SMTP id j20mr508579qbp; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:24:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601111524u36761ee7se374f435b37d077c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:24:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=mH0bUb1evel5F8ZoZR9T6D5VkEPqHHhQNi8mE86OvSSNjlst X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's been an interesting couple of days. The PR response confirms it at SFGAdv. The policy was temporarily on SFA's policy pages yesterday. What I can discern from the PR response is this: They don't want to hold spots for potentially returning guests when they could be letting new guests in in their place when they're close to capacity. But they're going to hold those spots for people who have multi-park tickets or multi-park passes. So, it seems like it's going to become a logistical nightmare and the exit gate is going to be a fun place to sit and watch a show. They're definitely shaking things up. And they're making a mess... Ugh Beth From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 11 17:15:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29271 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0C1FMeP019609 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <037301c61715$b63e5c10$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060111.080607.14905.364219@webmail15.lax.untd.com> <43C58666.7020104@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:15:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ENx6DgXQiOfuZA73RU-ndq_AAdH8YqARL9mkwOn3Yb5QpCzNX9f4gh4yfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > As far as I know, yes. If it's not a clone, then it's probably not > going to be much different. It's almost certain to have the same kind > of Shamu cars that San Antonio has. From the press release I read, I believe it will be similar, but much bigger than the version in Texas. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 11 17:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54161 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:19:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0C1JoVq006637 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:19:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vi-Pj5GCBwB4xbzqfYVc6zk8yHezzBbp3zWgLH5w3mj9NRscmXBd-KlA9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Unfortunately, in this case, Motley is wrong. It's not just a rumor. > Posted on URC's forums is a response from SFGAd's customer service which > outlines the new policy: And can we verify that this is a legit post and not just someone spreading a rumor? The argument about no entry for sports and concerts just makes no sense because they are entirely different situations. They are "events" that last a few hours while going into a theme park is an "experience" for the whole day. I can't think of a single park anywhere (before now if true) that wouldn't allow re-entry to a park with a handstamp. The only exceptions are when the parks are putting on their own "events" like a Halloween event at night after normal park hours. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jan 11 17:23:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60560 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 01:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 01:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 01:23:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26538 invoked by uid 99); 12 Jan 2006 01:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060112012352.26537.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 11 Jan 2006 19:23:52 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=7jWnjWwBAvzwGKTvb-NL39-GikmIukn41htqeZDr_vbKa7w3 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Just checked the SF web site for SF Great America. 1. No change in season pass prices. 2006 4-Pack Season Passes $74.99 Includes Six Flags Great America & Six Flags Hurricane Harbor. Minimum purchase of four passes. Price listed is per pass. 2006 Individual Season Pass $84.99 Includes Six Flags Great America & Six Flags Hurricane Harbor. 2. No change in the Re-Entry policy: RE-ENTRY If you intend to return to the Park later the same day, please retain your ticket and have your hand stamped at the main entrance prior to leaving. > Alan wrote: > > > > There's one particular rumor going around, alleging that Six Flags > > will be initiating a new policy for 2006 that won't let guests - even > > season passholders - reenter the park after they leave. It's a pretty > Unfortunately, in this case, Motley is wrong. It's not just a rumor. > Posted on URC's forums is a response from SFGAd's customer service which > outlines the new policy: > > --begin quote -- > Please let me clarify some of the new policies here at Six Flags Great > Adventure, which do vary from some of the other Six Flags parks due to > our three separately-gated attractions. > > At Six Flags Great Adventure, Theme/Safari combination tickets, 3- Park > tickets, Theme/Safari season passes and 3-Park season passes do allow > for same-day exiting and re-entry. > > We will not allow re-entry with single-park tickets (i.e. Theme Park > only, Safari only, or Harbor only) or Hurricane Harbor-only season > passes. Restricting re-entry is a standard practice for most Dave Rounds From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jan 11 18:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74491 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 02:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 02:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 02:56:00 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.288.3f34dff (48552) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:55:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <288.3f34dff.30f71f29@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:55:37 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard many things coming down the pike at Six Flags. I can't confirm any of these to be true, but my sources are convinced they are. I've heard things along with this no re-entry, like season passes costing $500 and only allowed at the park in which it was purchased. I dont know anyone on this planet who would pay $500 for a Six Flags pass to ANY of their parks and only be able to use it at the park it was bought at. I've other things, like they want to sell Chang, and all the Superman Flying coasters. They also dont want to purchase any new thrill coasters or rides in the future, but only build rides that you have to be under 5 years old to be able to ride! If any of these things are true, and they would come to pass, then I would say, no one ever attend a Six Flags park again, and stick it to those ESPN guys who dont seem to understand the concept of a theme park! Again, I have only heard these things through the grapevine, and dont have any solid evidence to back them up, but where I heard them from seems to have a good grasp from where they are hearing them from. Lets just hope it doesn't happen that way! Would be a terrible tragedy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 12 03:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81075 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 11:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 11:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 11:20:48 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ex0VX-0005PJ-Kz for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:20:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> In-Reply-To: <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a5b3e84eccd5a33abfae74bbf3cb12f7d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=SVGIVgXoCyAI47b_pzaDYmVM8gh85A4caIkWdaPgHJYyFBw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance Hart wrote: > > Unfortunately, in this case, Motley is wrong. It's not just a rumor. > > Posted on URC's forums is a response from SFGAd's customer service which > > outlines the new policy: > > > And can we verify that this is a legit post and not just someone > spreading a > rumor? Yes, I can verify it. I'm sure that many of you are familiar with Chuck Nungster (hope I spelled his name right) He's been around for a while and isn't prone to making things up or being silly. He's the one that posted it, which, for me at least, may as well be directly from Six Flags itself. And taken directly from SFNE's site on the park policies page this morning at 6:15 eastern time: RE-ENTRY Same day re-entry is not allowed. So it's no myth or wild rumor. It's really happening. > > The argument about no entry for sports and concerts just makes no sense > because they are > entirely different situations. There's a lot of things that the new regime is doing that don't seem to make a lot of sense. Can't wait to see what happens when they deny diabetics exit and reentry to take their insulin. How long til one decides not to leave, goes into shock, and sues Six Flags for it? Or parents who need diapers for the kids not getting them from the car, Six Flags not having them for sale, so we have toddlers with no pants doing their "business" wherever in the park. My imagination runs wild with the ridiculous possibilities here. It's not going to be a pretty sight in some cases. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 05:43:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39244 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 13:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 13:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 13:43:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 13:43:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 13:43:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 13:43:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:43:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43C587DE.3010608@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: QUESTION: queue times in orlando - mid march X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=h5Ruocs1zyENLjkk6az6QIywI6sA8ss8KE4cKaZU4VlMoFbv-G1fz4A X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > daniel_roachus wrote: > > Ps - I chose march to coincide with a friends visit... >=20 > When in March is the key. If it's early, you'll probably be ok. If=20 > it's later on, you're looking to run into the crowds. >=20 10th-31st Can't wait!! From jophish17@comcast.net Thu Jan 12 11:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72221 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 19:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:18:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.70.72 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=YBvthgeNEWUgoF1HNCJfx88-UaahZGC59__b18KssI2kkBIe X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > is an "experience" for the whole day. I can't think of a single park=20 > anywhere (before now if true) that > wouldn't allow re-entry to a park with a handstamp. The only exceptions are=20 > when the parks are putting > on their own "events" like a Halloween event at night after normal park=20 > hours. > I'm not positive, but I THINK Lake Winnie had a policy like that among their other 'abstract' policies. It isn't stated on their policies page but I remember the security guard taking our badges when we left... From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 11:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20515 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2006 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 19:22:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2006 19:18:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:18:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01da01c616e0$c0223330$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Castle Park woodie? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=koYMf8Xn0TbT09DPUYjTX8PWFa7P4EyMcvcQUq9BICc8ghHutXil X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > Gotta toot my own horn here... > www.screamscape.com I was poking around and noticed that back in 2004 there was a rumor=20 that Castle Park in Riverside, CA was going to build a wooden coaster.=20 No details are given. What was the story on this? Has this ever=20 progressed beyond the rumor stage into anything more concrete? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 16:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10478 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.198) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 00:20:47 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so482581wxc for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.50.16 with SMTP id x16mr3038314wxx; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:47 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01da01c616e0$c0223330$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Castle Park woodie? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=2QfV4o-gIICgudychmr-xV7dCiPzVvG7TwJgXns0w1j7xKkJhlNQOAw X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > I was poking around and noticed that back in 2004 there was a rumor > that Castle Park in Riverside, CA was going to build a wooden coaster. > No details are given. What was the story on this? Has this ever > progressed beyond the rumor stage into anything more concrete? > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com I haven't heard anything else about it, but yeah, it's a pretty old rumor. The last time I went there, which was about 2 or 3 years ago, I heard the person selling tickets and wristbands saying that the reason they took out the old trailer mounted haunted house was to add a roller coaster (I think they were also giving out comp. tickets at the time because of the rides removal, which I thought was odd). I was hoping something would've been mentioned about it at the recent ACE event over there (which I couldn't attend), but I haven't heard anything. I'd like to think they still want to do it. Here's hoping. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jan 12 17:45:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20685 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 01:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2006 01:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0D1jSFc000074 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05f901c617e3$16811090$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Castle Park woodie? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=GT6YLFmtEhotINeAf3XkMVbWHm6mOjcCQMkdsPqfKFGt1ftEkGYq1ajptg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Gotta toot my own horn here... >> www.screamscape.com > > I was poking around and noticed that back in 2004 there was a rumor > that Castle Park in Riverside, CA was going to build a wooden coaster. > No details are given. What was the story on this? Has this ever > progressed beyond the rumor stage into anything more concrete? It wasn't a rumor actually, I believe it was a statement the park issued to the local newspaper during the opening of another ride about what they were planning to do next. Unfortunatly, it never happened. Not yet at least... From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Sun Jan 15 13:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93188 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2006 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EyFld-0002xN-Fj for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:50:29 -0500 Message-ID: <43CAC3A5.2070608@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:50:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a548d1c6d9fd6d69951e601c09b28e7b6f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: Off Topic- new cell number X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=pwYC8w6LBWHpp5yHAbFtbALDQscDqgWIvsHwgRl90ej1KOf_MpY X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 Just in case I missed anyone, and since I know that a number of you call on my cell phone... My cell number has changed due to reconfiguring it to a local Florida number. If you've still got my old cell number, or were working off of an old one, and you want my new one, please drop me an email and I'll be sure to get you the new number. For the rest that really don't care, sorry about the intrusion. Hope you don't mind to much. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 09:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44513 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 17:40:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 17:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 17:40:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:40:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=hlGCx8N5_j2hR9LhCx9iaJwdvMkY-y-E89uwfrDkhZAcJFlSKkc2 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I visited Universal Studios Hollywood yesterday for the first time since 1999 (it's actually the closest theme park to where I live) and had a good time. I had free passes from sitting through a timeshare spiel. A few notes: 1. The parking attendant asked us if we wanted the preferred parking for $17 instead of $10. "No, just regular is fine." Parking guy: "Are you sure? It's a 10 to 15 minute walk." Me: "No, just regular, please." First of all, no way am I paying $17 to save a 15 minute walk. Second, we ended up in the Frankenstein parking structure, and I timed the walk to the gate; it was really less than 5 minutes. Maybe the preferred parking just involves less navigating through the parking structure. 2. It was a remarkably clear day, and the views of the mountains were fantastic. It was pretty chilly, though; the high was only 58 degrees and windy; everybody in the park was wearing jackets. 3. Crowds were light to moderate. Jurassic Park was closed for refurbishment. We were able to get to nearly everything in the park; the only line of any significance was for Revenge of the Mummy, where we waited about 45 minutes. 4. I thought the Van Helsing: Fortress Dracula walk-through was pretty fun. Is this in the old Marvel Mania restaurant building? Good effects and props, pretty substantial length, and they use characters sparingly enough to be effective. The last room is awesome. 5. They were doing the double rides on Revenge of the Mummy until 12:00. The tradeoff, of course, is that the line moves twice as slow. But even after going twice, I still had that "how the heck did we end up over here" disorientation at the end of the ride. A fun ride, but I wish it had been longer... shouldn't there have been something more at the end? 6. Fear Factor Live was pretty entertaining, though PETA would probably not be amused. I have to wonder, though: why would these people subject themselves to the pig parts/fish guts smoothie without a cash prize? Better them than me... 7. I wonder if the Waterworld stunt show has been more profitable to Universal than the actual movie was. 8. On the special effects stages, I got to be one of the participants in the sound effects demo. That was cool. 9. They've enhanced the tour now so that there are video screens in the tram. This is a GREAT idea. It's one thing to see the sets, and another to get to compare them with clips of their use in movies and TV. The War of the Worlds airplane crash set was awesome. Our tour guide was very lively and a lot of fun. She was Onlooker #6 in the WOTW movie: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1879575/ So, that brings me to my question. I see that Universal Studios Florida is marketed as being a real movie & TV studio, but really, how much production do they do there? I don't see any mention of a studio tour or really any "behind-the scenes" attractions except the makeup studio. From the website it would seem that the whole concept of the park gets altered in the change of venues, even though many of the attractions are the same. (Islands of Adventure, of course, is something completely different.) I've never been to Orlando. So my question, then: What's up with Universal Orlando? Is there more behind-the-scenes stuff than is evident from the website? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jan 16 12:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65762 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 20:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 20:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 20:36:43 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so955776wxc for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.47.17 with SMTP id u17mr8307158wxu; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:36:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:36:06 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mini-TR: Mundo Divertido and Belmont Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=puECGSwbs2FuT1PoxtuoaN_h9RGS2ssnmEvEsgMIILignMkJxxL-BRM X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 12/30/05, adamnvillani wrote: > Ryan Snooks, in re Mundo Divertido: > > Anyways, in short, it looks like > > the park has been demolished for at least a few months now. Most of > > the buildings are still standing, and the go-cart track is still > > sort of visible, but there isn't any evidence of rides and the lot > > is in bad shape. I wonder what happened to the place. > > Hm! What a bummer. Well, I'm glad I didn't go off on a wild goose > chase in Mexico trying to find it a couple weeks ago. Sorry for the late response, but I've been talking with Duane Marden (of www.rcdb.com) and he figured out what happened. Appararently he knew someone who had gone to Mundo Divertido in November, just a month before I'd gone, and from the deteriation of the park, this seemed a bit strange. However, apparantly the park moved just down the street, which explains how I went to the location listed on www.rcdb.com and couldn't find it, and someone else went to another location nearby, and found it. The new location is also right next to the Tijuana river and looks to be just about 5 more miles down the same road that the other one was on. Duane believes what happened, and which makes sense, is that the Mundo Divertido park in Mexicali may have shut down and the Mundo Divertido I tried to go to earlier in Tijuana joined forces and moved to a larger location which is also in Tijuana, though more outside the tourist district. This is supported by that the new location appears to have recently acquired a Pinfari looper, probably the same one that was at the Mexicali park. Anyways, here is the location of the park's website (nothing there yet): http://www.mundodivertido.com.mx/ The rcdb entry for the new location: http://www.rcdb.com/pd1388.htm The rcdb entry for the old Tijuana location (the one I visited): http://www.rcdb.com/pd617.htm The rcdb entry for the Mexicali location: http://www.rcdb.com/pd610.htm Anyways, this is pretty good news. Not only does the park still exist, but it appears they are making steps forward towards improving it. So I'll probably try and go check the park out, again. Hopefully this next time I'll be able to write a more substantial TR. Also, I forgot to mention this in my TR, but I recently found a postcard at a surf shop where you can make out the old Wild Mouse at Belmont Park. Here are three versions of the scan for your enjoyment. The small version of the entire scan of the postcard: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/BelmontParkOldOverheadSmall= .jpg The bigger (1282x799) version: http://photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/?action=3Dview¤t=3DBelmon= tParkOldOverhead001.jpg Zoomed in on the mouse: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/Xcoaster/BelmontParkMouse.jpg From the second version, you can also make out an old Circle Swing, possibly a Log Flume or something, and some other stuff. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jan 16 13:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77690 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 21:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 21:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.199) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 21:06:14 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so862624wxd for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.14.6 with SMTP id 6mr7028502wxn; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:05:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:05:38 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=Rw_0atY2OFIeld0Wq-aXngMvw3MddlAnOGdxvuT8ENtr__lFhi9EK6E X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > 1. The parking attendant asked us if we wanted the preferred parking > for $17 instead of $10. "No, just regular is fine." Parking guy: "Are > you sure? It's a 10 to 15 minute walk." Me: "No, just regular, > please." First of all, no way am I paying $17 to save a 15 minute > walk. Second, we ended up in the Frankenstein parking structure, and > I timed the walk to the gate; it was really less than 5 minutes. > Maybe the preferred parking just involves less navigating through the > parking structure. Could it maybe be guaranteed parking right next to the park, where you don't have to go through the Universal Citywalk area (though it sounds like you didn't have to do that either)? The $10 parking is probably parking with the possibility of having to go through CityWalk. > 2. It was a remarkably clear day, and the views of the mountains were > fantastic. It was pretty chilly, though; the high was only 58 degrees > and windy; everybody in the park was wearing jackets. Yeah, it's been colder lately. > 4. I thought the Van Helsing: Fortress Dracula walk-through was > pretty fun. Is this in the old Marvel Mania restaurant building? Good > effects and props, pretty substantial length, and they use characters > sparingly enough to be effective. The last room is awesome. I thought it was fairly good too, or at least it had potential. I went through right before it closed, so there was only one actor still inside. The props were great though. > 5. They were doing the double rides on Revenge of the Mummy until > 12:00. The tradeoff, of course, is that the line moves twice as slow. > But even after going twice, I still had that "how the heck did we end > up over here" disorientation at the end of the ride. A fun ride, but > I wish it had been longer... shouldn't there have been something more > at the end? Yeah, that was a horrible ending. The Florida version looks much better. Also, did it seem like you went slow enough through the dark ride portion at the beginning? I've heard they slowed it down, because when we went on it, we just sped right through all of it, which made it even more disappointing, since it was the part I was really looking for. Overall I was pretty disappointed with the ride, as the dark ride portion went by way too quickly, the coaster portion wasn't spectacular, and the ending was really anticlimactic. > 6. Fear Factor Live was pretty entertaining, though PETA would > probably not be amused. I have to wonder, though: why would these > people subject themselves to the pig parts/fish guts smoothie without > a cash prize? Better them than me... Don't they get something for it? > 7. I wonder if the Waterworld stunt show has been more profitable to > Universal than the actual movie was. Haha, yeah. I guess the same could probably be said about the whole "Song of the South"/Splash Mountain relationship too. > 9. They've enhanced the tour now so that there are video screens in > the tram. This is a GREAT idea. It's one thing to see the sets, and > another to get to compare them with clips of their use in movies and > TV. The War of the Worlds airplane crash set was awesome. Our tour > guide was very lively and a lot of fun. She was Onlooker #6 in the > WOTW movie: > http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1879575/ Cool. I went there before they had the WOTW set up, but it looks pretty neat. This reminds me, did you go nearby a set where the guide said they couldn't talk about it? When I went, we were just barely able to glimpse a set behind some trees which had a futuristic jungle compound sort of feel to it. I'd also noticed it earlier in the day from the parking complex, but both times it was really hard to make out. I think it was nearby the remains of the Grinch set (if that's still there). It looked like it could've been something from Jurassic Park IV. It really made me curious, but over a year later and I still have no idea what it's from. Thanks for the TR. -- Ryan "Probably spelled 'deteriorated' wrong in his last post" Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 14:02:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34844 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EycNR-0001At-53 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <43CC1725.80608@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:59:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a51fcd48ea2423fa2c2e5dbd37fc2f2922350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=XU01BNa4tp6NW5N1kLrSRkNTeHnJNP1qH5xxWuJwPbmIq6I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote > So, that brings me to my question. I see that Universal Studios > Florida is marketed as being a real movie & TV studio, but really, > how much production do they do there? I don't see any mention of a > studio tour or really any "behind-the scenes" attractions except the > makeup studio. From the website it would seem that the whole concept > of the park gets altered in the change of venues, even though many of > the attractions are the same. (Islands of Adventure, of course, is > something completely different.) I've never been to Orlando. So my > question, then: What's up with Universal Orlando? Is there more > behind-the-scenes stuff than is evident from the website? > Universal Florida does have some sound stages. For the most part, the "street sets" where they used to have a tram tour is actually the streets and walkways around the park itself. There's no longer a tram tour or studio tour at it, though I do have an old souvenier book that shows they used to have one. There are a couple of the attractions that show some behind the scenes things. Earthquake has 3 or 4 behind the scenes parts to it before you actually get on the ride, including miniatures and blue screens. There's also a monster makeup deal that does a lot, but I haven't seen that one yet so can't really comment on it much. But even much of the filming they used to do has been reduced. Nickelodeon used to do a bunch of filming there, but that's pretty much gone. TNA wresting does tapings, but I think that's about it now. Though I have occaisionally visited when they had part of the park closed off because they were taping commercials or a tv show. But it's certainly nowhere near the functioning studio that Hollywood is. Just a much reduced one that is far more a theme park. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 14:07:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78805 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 22:07:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 22:07:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:07:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=sSFsSnEMrL_eiHis_4GId9Joo6AFush2N9_33OmptVxfUCXtNut9 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > Could it maybe be guaranteed parking right next to the park, where=20 > you don't have to go through the Universal Citywalk area (though it=20 > sounds like you didn't have to do that either)? The $10 parking is=20 > probably parking with the possibility of having to go through=20 > CityWalk. That was the weird thing. The $10 parking was essentially right next=20 to the park gate. It was the Frankenstein parking lot, which as far=20 as I can tell is located directly *underneath* the T2-3D theatre=20 (they do soem remarkable stuff with the space they have crammed up=20 against that hillside). I was on level four. I took escalators up to=20 level 8, where I was almost within spitting distance of the entrance.=20 Pretty much the only better parking spaces were the ones on level 7=20 of the same structure. The parking structure that's right up against=20 CityWalk is Jurassic Parking. That's where I was expecting the=20 standard parking to be. Maybe things are just weird for the off- season. Anyway, I'm not complaining about getting great parking, but=20 I was just puzzled. =20 > I thought it was fairly good too, or at least it had potential. I > went through right before it closed, so there was only one actor=20 > still inside. The props were great though. Ah, we encountered four. [Revenge of the Mummy] > Also, did it seem like you went slow enough through the dark > ride portion at the beginning? I've heard they slowed it down, > because when we went on it, we just sped right through all of it, > which made it even more disappointing, since it was the part I was > really looking for.=20=20 It thought that it went slow enough through the dark ride portion,=20 though I hadn't been on it before, so I can't compare. I agree about=20 the rest; the coaster was OK but not spectacular, and the ending was=20 puzzling, both intentionally (the disorientation) and unintentionally=20 (shouldn't there be something more here?) I have to wonder why=20 Universal doesn't have more dark rides; you'd think it would be a no- brainer for them.=20 =20 > > 6. Fear Factor Live=20 >=20 > Don't they get something for it? I dunno. There was no mention of a prize of any sort at the end,=20 although I have to imagine they get something. One woman, separate=20 from the six contestants, came out and had scorpions put on her head,=20 and when they finished, they gave her a front-of-the-line pass for=20 the rest of the day. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp=20 stick, but it's no $50,000. =20 > Cool. I went there before they had the WOTW set up, but it looks > pretty neat. This reminds me, did you go nearby a set where the=20 > guide said they couldn't talk about it? When I went, we were just=20 > barely able to glimpse a set behind some trees which had a=20 > futuristic jungle compound sort of feel to it. I'd also noticed it=20 > earlier in the day from the parking complex, but both times it was=20 > really hard to make out. I think it was nearby the remains of the=20 > Grinch set (if that's still there). It looked like it could've=20 > been something from Jurassic > Park IV. It really made me curious, but over a year later and I=20 > still have no idea what it's from. Hm, that's weird. I don't recall anything like that. There is still=20 some of the Grinch set there, and weirdly enough, it's right behind=20 the Bates Motel. It seems kinda odd some of the stuff they've=20 preserved on the backlot, like the Jaws attack and the Bates Motel.=20 You'd think they'd need the space and be reusing it more, although=20 maybe enough things are shot on location these days that they don't=20 need to use the backlot all that much. I did like seeing Dino=20 DeLaurentiis's parking space as we went past his office, though. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 14:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63001 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 22:54:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 22:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 22:54:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:54:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43CC1725.80608@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=5RwKceuQ2WGOGrSw6ml5cM44SMr8-ZxbVDqPzNDGuh47gmAMzC9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > But it's certainly nowhere near the functioning studio that=20 > Hollywood is. Just a much reduced one that is far more a theme park. That's interesting... as a theme park, it looks like there's definitely=20 more to do at the Orlando one, and that's not even including IOA. But=20 USH is more of a unique attraction specifically tied to its location.=20 Just FYI, people interested in getting a closer behind-the-scenes look=20 at production in Hollywood should check out a TV taping. Tickets are=20 free and are available from various agencies around town. You can call=20 around or even just find people giving them away on the street in front=20 of Grauman's Chinese Theatre. I've seen several game shows and sitcoms,=20 and it's pretty fun to see TV production, although there's a lot of=20 waiting around. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 21:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18571 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 05:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 05:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 05:14:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 05:10:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 05:10:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 05:10:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: USH mini-TR and USF question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=MWhyUQ00sCKUi0CtVtkUwxCKDgJjHW-ABRpEeJSGVS8N2NSVDg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > 2. It was a remarkably clear day, and the views of the mountains were > fantastic. It was pretty chilly, though; the high was only 58 degrees > and windy; everybody in the park was wearing jackets. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > I find this comment about the weather hysterical!=20 On New Year's Eve I went to Nasu Highlands with R&E from TPR. There was at least three feet of snow, and it was between 25 and 34 degrees over the course of the day. None of us had gloves, so we ended up buying stupid skeleton and spiderman gloves from the park. Nearly every coaster was open, on top of it.=20 That's chilly! Chris B Next up: Kyushu swing: Kagoshima Jungle Land, Mitsui Greenland, Kijima Amusement Park, Harmony Land, Wonder Rakutenchi and Miyazaki City Phoenix Zoo (The names of these places!) From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jan 17 06:32:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72136 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 14:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 14:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-38.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 14:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 14815 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2006 14:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 14:29:08 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eyrpc-0004Rr-5Q for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:29:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12EAD05B-42CE-44F8-A24C-FED9C2424FE7@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:33:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=m8fKfFWITI5q1xF-J0xI22ale1WcZBfsyXbZQZ2dI6q3PbnkzbRo X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > RE-ENTRY > Same day re-entry is not allowed. > > So it's no myth or wild rumor. It's really happening. > >> >> The argument about no entry for sports and concerts just makes no >> sense >> because they are >> entirely different situations. > > There's a lot of things that the new regime is doing that don't > seem to > make a lot of sense. I agree. This just seems like a really bad idea. At SFGAd, a lot of the guests are from the NYC area, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are huge backlashes in the park since they will probably curse SF off pretty good. Especially since the food in the park is also really expensive and not very good. I'm also surprised they would raise the park ticket to $60, perhaps its them trying to copy off Disney. Right now, SFGAd definitely isn't worth 60$ for one day, maybe 30 or 40$. The only thing I can think of is I remember Snyder saying that he watned to have more corporate partnerships -- maybe he wants to offer larger discounts to Coke, Wendys, etc., and have them pay a lot more for it since it would be worth a lot more. It'd probably be easier to get other corporations to pay up large amounts of money than the people that visit the park. Mike From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jan 17 06:57:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94998 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 14:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 14:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 14:57:33 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1345990wra for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.107.11 with SMTP id j11mr3184802qbm; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:57:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601170657v44249444q91706e144141ae83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:57:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <12EAD05B-42CE-44F8-A24C-FED9C2424FE7@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> <12EAD05B-42CE-44F8-A24C-FED9C2424FE7@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=EqIpuDe3MFjTz6KDhgj4HRSromJFITKzBwj0DNp4z8pjGiVi X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 1/17/06, Mike wrote: > > RE-ENTRY > > Same day re-entry is not allowed. At NoCoasterCon over the weekend, the VP at SFGAm squashed it. I think it may still be on their "in a year or two, let's look at this again" pile, but for now they are saying semi-publicly that it won't be implemented this year. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 12:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19448 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 20:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 20:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 20:35:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:34:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:34:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Now Beijing has plans for Disneyland says paper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_3guNc-_YDrjY7gERnAbbaiUnOMDiipt6FgXKXntKaOAzmM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 17, 2006 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060117/media_nm/leisure_china_disney_dc_2 By Doug Young, Alan Wheatley, Jerker Hellstrom and Kevin Yao SHANGHAI/BEIJING -- Beijing is reserving a place to build a Disneyland, a newspaper said on Tuesday, in the latest salvo of an ongoing duel between China's capital and Shanghai to attract the nation's first world-class theme park. The Chinese capital would like to build a park by 2010, according to the South China Morning Post, quoting a document presented to Beijing's municipal people's congress this week. It said the document included the theme park in a road map for the city's development, suggesting it had secured central government support for the project. The Walt Disney Co. said it has no plans for such a park in Beijing. "Media reports that claim Disney is building a park in Beijing are inaccurate and not based on fact," the company said in a statement. "Disney has no plans to build a park in Beijing at this time." An official at the news department of Beijing's Development and Reform Commission also said that some media reports of Beijing plans to build a Disneyland were incorrect. "We want to attract investment from Disney, but are not necessarily building a theme park," he said. If Beijing is making room for a park, even without definite plans, it would be putting itself in direct competition with Shanghai, China's largest city, which has been reported numerous times to be actively talking with Disney and close to a deal for its own Disneyland. It would also compete with Hong Kong Disneyland, which opened in September last year with hopes of catering to a large number of mainland Chinese tourists. The U.S. company said about a year ago that it was considering a theme park in Shanghai, but that it was focusing its efforts on its Hong Kong venture. Several months later, a local newspaper reported that Disney was planning a joint venture to build a park in Shanghai's Pudong new district. Disney responded that it was unlikely to open a park on the mainland before 2010 - the year that Shanghai is scheduled to host the 2010 World Expo. "It is up to the state to decide whether to build a theme park like this" in Shanghai, said a Shanghai government spokesman. The behind-the-scenes rivalry they represent would mirror a similar clash earlier this decade between Beijing, which calls itself China's cultural capital, and Shanghai, which wants to recapture its past glory when it was known to many as the Paris of the East. In that battle, separate groups announced competing plans to build Universal Studios theme parks, one in Shanghai and another in Beijing, within months of each other. Universal Studios, a unit of General Electric Co., later said it was moving forward with the Shanghai plan, and was even reportedly preparing to start construction on a specific site. But that plan later ran into trouble, reportedly due to the company's failure to secure the necessary permission. Following months of speculation, Universal said last year it had shelved the plan "for a host of reasons" that resulted in its failure to get the required government approval. At that time, observers said the suspension of the project could pave the way for the city to build a Disneyland, a name that carries greater prestige and already enjoys wide recognition throughout China. ------------- =A9 2006 Reuters Limited =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 12:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47829 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 20:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 20:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 20:47:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:42:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 20:42:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Company wins judgment against Midwest Amusement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3T9BoTnIA2ld1o1qSYb7_ZMKigmmbShWBLwYysV8IDSNRDU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 17, 2006 The Shawano Leader http://www.shawanoleader.com/articles/2006/01/15/news/news1.txt By Tim Ryan Green Bay, WS -- A second creditor was awarded a foreclosure judgment=20 against Midwest Amusement Park, LLC, on Friday after a hearing that=20 included testimony on the intricacies of post office boxes. Heyrman Construction Co., of Green Bay, was awarded an $80,094=20 judgment against MAP, which is already slated for foreclosure next=20 month due to a separate outstanding debt. MAP was ordered in November to pay $380,817 to Northeast Asphalt=20 Inc., of Green Bay, for work done on the park's USA International=20 Raceway, located at W5901 County Road BE in the Town of Wescott. The=20 judgment also entitled Northeast to a construction lien foreclosure. Friday's judgment will give both Northeast and Heyrman, which also=20 had a construction lien on the property, the right to proceeds from=20 the Feb. 8 sheriff's sale. "It looks like there's simply been a=20 failure on the part of MAP to get serious about this matter," Shawano=20 County Circuit Court Judge Thomas Grover said in awarding the=20 judgment. "MAP has basically, simply ignored the legal procedures of=20 this action." MAP is a subsidiary of the R.C. Samanta Roy Institute of Science and=20 Technology (SIST). SIST and its subsidiaries have purchased nearly=20 $12 million worth of property in the area, which representatives of=20 Samanta Roy have stated are intended to support a future=20 international boarding school in the Town of Wescott. MAP, represented by a new attorney on Friday, mounted a defense based=20 on claims that correspondence from Heyrman's attorney never showed up=20 in the mail. Naomi Isaacson, an attorney who identified herself as chief manager=20 for MAP, testified that she never received a notice of deposition or=20 a request to admit or deny facts in the case. ---------- =A9 2005 The Shawano Leader From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 13:27:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65746 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 21:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 21:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 21:27:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 21:26:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 21:26:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:26:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Violent fire destroys children amusement center in Myanmar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Q-O68g97STE-0GRnE1hN2v0nPUh_LXgHFNuxhnx3ak9WOLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 16, 2006 Xinhua People Daily On-line http://english.people.com.cn/200601/16/eng20060116_235644.html Union of Myanmar -- A violent fire totally destroyed a children=20 amusement center underneath Myanmar's world famous Shwedagon Pagoda=20 Sunday evening. Security police told Xinhua that the fire, which occurred at the=20 Happy World Children Amusement Center in the Kandawmin Park opposite=20 to the southern gate of the pagoda, resulted from an electric short=20 circuit at a ghost train rail track riding by children. The fire broke out at 5:20 p.m. local time and lasted for about 2=20 hours until it died down. Fire brigade officers said the fire injured some people and destroyed=20 property worth of 10 million Kyats (about 10,000 U.S. dollars). Other=20 casualties are unknown. The fire came one and a half month after a major 3-hour fire=20 destroyed about 1,000 houses in a densely-populated slum quarter in=20 Hlaing township in Yangon on November 28 of last year, about 10=20 kilometers to the north from downtown Yangon, where most of the=20 houses were made of wood. That fire left about 5,000 people homeless. ----------- Copyright by People's Daily Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 13:35:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43498 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 21:35:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 21:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2006 21:32:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:32:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_GHS_senior_hopes_effort_=91amuses=92_FIRST_judges?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sKN0qzP54gtPxqf8RomkZM5qdIU9Qd6G3HbRwHd-SyHMwX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 12, 2006 The Herald Banner http://www.heraldbanner.com/cnhi/heraldbanner/features/local_story_012 012353.html by Jay Strickland Greenville, TX -- It all started with 5,000 unassembled pieces. When=20 it was finished it was a small scale amusement park with rides that=20 actually move. Kevin Morris, a senior at Greenville High School, spent a whole year=20 putting the roller coaster, Ferris wheel and wave swinger together.=20 Now it's on display at the Northeast Texas Children's Museum in=20 Commerce. Morris is a member of the GHS Robotics Team. The organization the=20 team competes through is call FIRST (For Inspiration and Recognition=20 of Science and Technology). One the highest awards given at the=20 competition, besides those for the mechanics of building a robot, is=20 the Chairman's Award. "The Chairman's Award is what you do to support=20 technology and science in your community," Morris said. The model amusement park will be Morris' entry in this year's=20 contest. He found the plans for the rides on the Internet and his=20 robotics coach, Vanessa Pope, encouraged him to build it. He went=20 beyond what the plans called for, though. "The plans were for the=20 Ferris wheel and the little merry-go-round and then it had the roller=20 coaster," he said. "You could either build a roller coaster that had=20 a lift and then a turn after it or one that had a drop and then just=20 a turn to get right back. "It didn't have a plan for a loop, but it had extra pieces so I=20 designed the loop and a crossover. I made it a little bit taller,=20 too." The kit comes with 5,100 pieces and when he got through, Morris had=20 about 200 pieces left over, even with the additions. He found some=20 grass and trees from a model railroad set to complete the look. Morris wants to go beyond just building models, he wants to become a=20 mechanical engineer and design real roller coasters. "There aren't=20 very many job offerings in that field, so I'll have to work my way up=20 to that"e said. "I knew I wanted to be some kind of engineer since I was a little=20 kid. It's kind of strange for me when people tell me they don't know=20 what they want to do because I've always known what I wanted to do=20 with my life." But it was his freshman year that it clicked and he knew he wanted to=20 work on roller coasters. The ironic part is, Morris was deathly afraid of roller coasters when=20 he was young. "Now I've gone across the country to ride them," he=20 said. Of course, when he rides a roller coaster he's looking at all the=20 mechanics it took to build it. "I've never, ever scared on a roller=20 coaster because I know everything about them," Morris said. "You're=20 more likely to die from having a toothpick in your mouth than you are=20 on a roller coaster." His favorite part of building the set was making the supports for the=20 roller coaster. Since he made it bigger than the plans, he had to=20 figure out how the beams would hold it up. "I learned this from one=20 of the engineers out at L-3 who works with the Robotics Team," Morris=20 said. "He's a stress engineer and he said that stress is like water.=20 It flows the most direct path to the ground. So I designed those the=20 most efficient way I could." The amusement park will become a permanent part of the museum's=20 collection. --------- =A9 2005, Herald Banner Publications From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 17 14:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22204 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 22:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 22:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 22:18:23 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EyycC-0005kK-Iv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:43:44 -0500 Message-ID: <43CD6511.1060706@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:43:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> <12EAD05B-42CE-44F8-A24C-FED9C2424FE7@donkeyentertainment.com> <74b0c9f30601170657v44249444q91706e144141ae83@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30601170657v44249444q91706e144141ae83@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a5e4f4abaec73dc89cea1771e77b82544c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=_EvBcFKTEZW2Tddpp-1TdAeuUD_AWxBvalpWb1AZEC5Xios X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > On 1/17/06, Mike wrote: > > > RE-ENTRY > > > Same day re-entry is not allowed. > > At NoCoasterCon over the weekend, the VP at SFGAm squashed it. I think > it may still be on their "in a year or two, let's look at this again" > pile, but for now they are saying semi-publicly that it won't be > implemented this year. > There was also an article on About.com, as well as a couple of other email responses that have come out now. It WAS something that they were going to implement, but I think they got caught a bit by surprise by the loud response. Something tells me that they were hoping to do it quietly without anyone knowing, and weren't prepared for all of the people who constantly look out for this sort of thing. At least that's a guess. I wouldn't be surprised if they still try to implement it at some point. But for now at least it looks like they've changed their minds about starting it right away and have pulled it off the table. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 17 14:25:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30805 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2006 22:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2006 22:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2006 22:25:48 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0HMPA0X008121 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:25:15 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:25:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43CD6511.1060706@earthlink.net> References: <43C589FF.30100@earthlink.net> <037b01c61716$55aae3e0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <43C63B8F.6010900@earthlink.net> <12EAD05B-42CE-44F8-A24C-FED9C2424FE7@donkeyentertainment.com> <74b0c9f30601170657v44249444q91706e144141ae83@mail.gmail.com> <43CD6511.1060706@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1914C28E-870A-44C4-B2D6-5D2CC30F3F0B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:25:04 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 22:25:10.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0B6D6E0:01C61BB4] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OP-ED: Six Flags, One Rumor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ddeN8tcCkjhufcgVhDsqAv_xPNJ-dsPjFZM_AtbiwIffDjuR X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Something tells me that they were hoping to do it quietly without > anyone knowing, and weren't prepared for all of the people who > constantly look out for this sort of thing. That does bring up an interesting point .. who sits around refreshing the Six Flags policy pages in the middle of winter?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 06:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92681 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 14:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 14:52:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 14:51:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:51:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Snoopy's Last Day At MOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=prQiu0YVlOddDCkWOqs2gBRPnJ27e9yzLUpKYIne53iRb5w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 18, 2006 Associated Press WCCO-TV http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_018072911.html Bloomington, MN -- For those who want to say goodbye to Snoopy and=20 the rest of the Peanuts gang who've inhabited the Mall of America's=20 indoor amusement park for the last 13 years, Wednesday is the last=20 chance. Beginning Thursday, Camp Snoopy will be "The Park at MOA" until a new=20 brand is chosen. Mall officials announced earlier this month that negotiations to=20 continue using the Peanuts brand had ended without an agreement. So,=20 no more Camp Snoopy. The amusement park and rides will remain open. But the big red dog=20 dish that has long been a favorite meeting place for Mall of America=20 customers will be gone, along with other Peanuts branding throughout=20 the park. ----------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 06:57:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45065 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 14:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 14:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 14:57:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 14:56:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 14:56:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:56:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Santa's park will return to Firebird X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lwh48Ynk3HxRhqSAbbN7EVhW0Demq22ctqwj_RpWImlno9o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 18, 2006 USA Today The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/mesa/articles/0118ar- santaworld14Z11.html by Betty Beard Phoenix, AZ -- The Santa's theme park that made its first appearance=20 at Firebird International Raceway over the holiday season was such a=20 hit that its owners plan to bring it back. Owners were still calculating attendance at the Christmas themed=20 amusement park but estimated it was in the hundreds of thousands,=20 said Michelle Zimmerman, Santa's spokeswoman. Final numbers may come=20 next week. "They (owners) were extremely happy. Attendance was very,=20 very good, and they will definitely be back next year," she said. They plan to begin setting up again in October, for a November=20 opening at the same site northwest of I-10 and Wild Horse Pass Blvd,=20 on the Gila River Reservation. They even paved the parking lot in=20 preparation for coming back. Santa's - A Christmas Theme Park opened Nov. 16 and created such a=20 spectacle that the state Department of Public Safety had to warn=20 motorists of the congestion and asked them to stop braking. The park was stretched out for almost a mile immediately on the west=20 side of the freeway. The tall Ferris wheel and other carnival rides=20 and about 300 miles of lights, 250 Christmas trees, and 23 animated=20 displays could be seen at least a half-mile away. It closed Jan. 8 and it will take about 3 weeks to dismantle=20 everything. Most of the displays will be stored at a local warehouse. The prices were originally up to $23 for adults who wanted to see=20 everything. After 2 weeks, the park lowered the price somewhat for=20 people who didn't want the carnival rides. "It just progressively got=20 busier and busier," Zimmerman said. Asked if it would become an annual event, she said it was too early=20 to say. ----------- =A9 2006, azcentral.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 08:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73833 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 16:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 16:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 16:22:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:18:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:18:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lagoon donates $52,700 to schools X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8gtWrvr-4z4y0RAR6hihPTmgNWIimK3RY7p59fTCNsPkfMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 18, 2006 Deseret News http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635177253,00.html Farmington, UT -- Lagoon Corp. last week presented a $52,700 check to=20 Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. for the education foundations of 35 Utah school=20 districts. The donation represented proceeds from the amusement park's annual=20 FRIGHTMARES! promotion. Lagoon provides discount coupons to=20 participating school districts and for each discount ticket purchased=20 by students and parents a donation is made to that student's school=20 district. Over the past 13 years, Lagoon has donated a total of=20 $567,742 through the promotion. ----------- =A9 2006 Deseret News Publishing Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 08:27:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92158 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 16:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 16:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 16:27:29 -0000 Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:27:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:27:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sizzler case dismissal denied X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gy1Iwu9unfaVBal3pWZtCMrBOCQ-UsEPgotGCJN-oeB1q7c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 18, 2006 Metro West Daily News http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg? articleid=3D119588 By Joyce Kelly WORCESTER, MA -- Superior Court Justice Frances A. McIntyre yesterday=20 refused to dismiss the case against a man charged in connection with=20 the death of Andrew Fohlin, who was killed when he was thrown from a=20 Sizzler amusement park ride. At a Shrewsbury church festival, a Sizzler seat broke and flung=20 Fohlin and 49-y.o. David Mills onto the ground below on Sept. 19,=20 2004. Fohlin died upon striking the pavement, Mills suffered a=20 serious head injury, and a third rider, Diane Derosier, was injured=20 by the flying debris. A lock nut on the hinge bolt "that held everything together" by=20 anchoring the metal seat to the metal frame of the Sizzler ride=20 should have been replaced, experts had testified. Brian R. McCollough, who was responsible for the repair, inspection,=20 and supervision of all aspects of the Sizzler maintenance, was=20 indicted by a grand jury on charges of involuntary manslaughter last=20 June. His attorney subsequently filed a motion to dismiss the indictment,=20 alleging the prosecution had information that would have exonerated=20 McCollough, but failed to present it to the grand jury. According to McIntyre's written summary of his decision on the=20 defense motion, McCollough also argued that the indictment should be=20 dismissed because the state never established a link between his=20 acts, or lack of actions, and Fohlin's death. McCollough's attorney claimed that the state failed to establish that=20 his actions, in regards to the undersized bolt specified by Sizzler=20 mechanic Richard Cruz's testimony, caused Fohlin's death. Cruz testified that McCollough had instructed him to put a regular=20 nut on a bolt that did not flush with the frame. The day after Cruz testified, he was fired by Jaro Amusements,=20 because of an incident of domestic violence reported to McCollough's=20 wife, Linda, who was a manager for Jaro. Cruz took a new job at another amusement company, where co-workers=20 later told him of Fohlin's death. He immediately told them his concerns about the bolt and his fears=20 that he would be blamed, McIntyre recounted in his report. Police investigators learned Cruz had specific information on the=20 maintenance of the Sizzler car and obtained a statement from him,=20 which he later repeated to a grand jury. 3 days prior to his testimony before the grand jury, Cruz was taken=20 by Laura McCollough to a meeting with investigators. In her presence,=20 Cruz retracted his statement about McCollough and the bolt repair to=20 a state trooper, saying he made up the story because he was angry=20 about being fired, according to McIntyre's report. The prosecutor did not notify the grand jury of the retraction, which=20 impaired the integrity of the jury's decision, the defense argued. McIntyre denied dismissal of the case, concluding that considerable=20 evidence was presented to the Grand Jury, which did not rely on=20 Cruz's testimony. "He (Cruz) was significant, but not the only=20 witness on the issue of probable cause," the judge said. Cases where courts have dismissed indictments have usually involved=20 one-witness presentations, which was not the case here, he said. In consideration of evidence independent of Cruz's testimony,=20 McIntyre said, he was "satisfied the retraction of Cruz would not=20 have changed the Grand Jury's decision to indict McCollough." McIntyre moved the case over to Jan. 26 for further conference. A=20 trial date has not yet been set. ----------------- Copyright by Community Newspaper Co. and Herald Media From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 08:38:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31094 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 16:38:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:35:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:35:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags seeks deal with pizza company X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KXGuVG7fHOi8eHQNaWaJVITbsDgtdQszkN4z8bRcox2Lf_c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 15, 2006 The Courier-Journal http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060115/BUSINESS/601150362/1003/rss03 Oklahoma City, OK -- The amusement park company that owns Six Flags=20 Kentucky Kingdom is talking with Papa John's International and Yum!=20 Brands Inc.'s Pizza Hut about a sponsorship deal at its 30 parks,=20 according to Bear Stearns analyst Glen Reid. Product placement and other forms of advertising by one of the pizza=20 chains could add $40 million to Six Flags' revenue next year, he wrote=20 in a research note to clients. ------------- Copyright 2005 The Courier-Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 08:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5830 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 16:42:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 16:42:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:42:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Legoland expansion proposal to go to planners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YnjKJyHSjbeYjbmp_xSFES7hp5VKkocAfSJADwuEUu0xeLA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 14, 2006 North County Times http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/01/14/news/coastal/23_39_141_13_0 6.txt By: BARBARA HENRY CARLSBAD, CA -- A proposal to add a 3-acre, pirate-themed play zone=20 at the Legoland California amusement park will go before the Carlsbad=20 Planning Commission next week. The proposal won't expand the park's 128-acre site -- rather, it's=20 what could be described as an "infill" project targeted for a grass- covered site between the park's Funtown and Knights' Kingdom areas. The undeveloped meadow area is part of 15 acres set aside for later=20 development when the park opened in 1999, a city staff report notes. Kimberly Clark, Legoland's public relations department manager, said=20 the company hopes to have the new pirate play area open by summer if=20 the project wins Planning Commission approval Wednesday night.=20 Legoland officials are expected to host a news conference on the=20 matter Thursday. The amusement park has struggled at times since it was founded more=20 than 6 years ago. First, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the East=20 Coast sent the travel business into a slump, and Legoland cut back=20 its hours by 2 days a week during the winter months. Then, in 2004,=20 the founders of the Lego brand, which includes the famed building=20 blocks as well as 4 amusement parks, put the parks up for sale after=20 what they said were disappointing revenue figures. In 2005, the company reported sales figures had improved and=20 announced that the amusement parks would be sold to a private=20 investment firm, The Blackstone Group, for $450 million. During a=20 meeting with city staff members in the summer of 2005, just before=20 the sale was announced, company officials said attendance was=20 averaging about 1.4 million people a year. They said they would like=20 to increase that to 2 million with new attractions and other efforts. In an effort to bring in older children, park officials have added a=20 series of rides in the last 2 years, including a roller coaster and a=20 robotic arm ride known as the Knights' Tournament. The new attractions that the Planning Commission will consider are=20 aimed at a broad range of ages, rather than just older children,=20 Clark said. A Legoland report to the city of Carlsbad indicates they=20 will include: * a play zone aimed at the 3- to 6-y.o's with a 20', push-button=20 activated pole, water-spraying cannons and monkeys; * a viewing plaza for parents; * a "Pirate Splash Battle" ride where people journey in 4-man=20 vehicles along a water trough system; * a "Mini Flume" attraction where young children and their parents=20 can experience a low-speed ride that ends with a drop into a water=20 trough; * a 3-level water play area for the 6- to 12-y.o. crowd featuring a=20 pirate ship theme. "I really feel the whole area will be something the whole family can=20 enjoy together," Clark said. -------- =A9 1997-2006 North County Times =96 Lee Enterprises From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67740 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.198) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 20:14:00 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so166uge for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.243.19 with SMTP id q19mr342841nfh; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:13:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:59 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43BF1739.10704@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43BF1739.10704@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=TnJF1cA_i4b6mZngC9ag_KsXaZ3OUgUI-oGd7jMaptqZ4IKf0sIRLHo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > DCA was the 7th most attended park in the country last year. Read that > again- 7th most attended. It blew away every single Six Flags, Cedar > Fair, and Paramount Park. In fact, the only non-Disney park on the list > above it is Universal Studios Florida. That sounds impressive when you say it like that, but not so much if you consider the actual figures. DCA was obviously constructed as a compliment to Disneyland and, judging by ticket sales and pricing, is designed to attract the same people who visit the park next door. In other words, it seems clear that the Disneyland resort is designed to attract guests to spend a day at Disneyland and a day at DCA. Unfortunately for Disney, that hasn't happened. Instead, DCA's attendance is less than half of Disneyland's - 40%, in fact. For some reason, 60% of the guests who visit Disneyland have no desire to visit DCA. That seems like a problem to me. Whether or not that constitutes as a failure is not up to me to say.=20 But I'm sure many at Disney are at least scratching their heads wondering why their park isn't performing as it should. > If that's a failure, then people have one screwed up idea of what a > failure is. It's only problem is that it's accross the walk from > Disneyland- and frankly that's not a problem. Perhaps. Or we could look at it another way and say that maybe the only reason it's turning any significant numbers at all is exactly because it's so close to Disneyland. It's a question worth asking, I think, whether those turnstyles would be turning at all if Disneyland wasn't next door. With the way Disney pushes two-day tickets and park-hopping, my guess is that DCA would be in much worse shape if it wasn't where it is. > I wish that people would stop thinking about one day tickets for the > park. People aren't going to get one day tickets for DCA any more than > they're going to buy them for Animal Kingdom or MGM studios. Except apparently people ARE going to get them for Disneyland. :-) The point being, of course, that if Disney had a second park that people felt was truly worth visiting, two day tickets would be selling at both parks and attendance figures would be nearly equal. But that's not the situation. People *aren't* visiting both parks, and they *aren't* spending two days in the resort. Or at least 60% of them aren't. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1231 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 20:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 20:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 20:38:43 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so33262uge for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.37.9 with SMTP id p9mr447108nfj; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:09:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:09:18 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <017901c6164a$bede52b0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <017901c6164a$bede52b0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Indoor amusement park seeks new mascot after 'Peanuts' talks falter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UGWzXErmkANpRJR4oHOm9CigtNxTMNBpHcbo7t8sL3pjv7svDRcf68I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The truth is MoA management believed they could run Camp Snoopy better > and cheaper themselves, so they terminated with CF. I'm not sure I agree completely. I think this was more a matter of not having to share profits than anything else. > The loss of the > Peanuts license was a colossal woops and a hopelessly poor management > decision. No more Kite Eating Tree, Snoopy Bounce or Red Baron not to > mention the entire theme of the park will now need to be retooled. Eh, I guess I don't see this as a huge deal. Okay, the Kite Eating Tree is a bit of a loss, but much of the other Peanuts stuff was, IMO, rather tacky. The park itself is beautifully landscaped, and those good parts shouldn't change. I think it will continue to do good business with or without a popular mascott. > > Hansen said CF was unwilling to allow the mall to advertise the > > park "in the way we needed to promote the business." > > Could they have come up with a more vague and lame excuse for their > stupidity? Well, I think that excuse does makes some amount of sense. Cedar Fair was in a bad position, I think, where they were forced to compete with themselves. If they over-advertised Camp Snoopy, Valleyfair takes a hit (and vice versa). Ultimately, Valleyfair's profits are more meaningful to the company since they don't have to share them. I can't really blame the mall for feeling as though Camp Snoopy was of secondary importance. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Jan 18 13:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12662 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 21:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.235) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 21:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 8204 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 2006 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EzKri-0008MP-5C for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:29:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <43BF1739.10704@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8313EE5E-5B75-40AC-856B-419F189175E2@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=FQazkN2yGpDOMAB4hKLKxgX-9J_bWd8kyzvomdC-72E2HGs4rQEm X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> If that's a failure, then people have one screwed up idea of what a >> failure is. It's only problem is that it's accross the walk from >> Disneyland- and frankly that's not a problem. > > Perhaps. Or we could look at it another way and say that maybe the > only reason it's turning any significant numbers at all is exactly > because it's so close to Disneyland. It's a question worth asking, I > think, whether those turnstyles would be turning at all if Disneyland > wasn't next door. With the way Disney pushes two-day tickets and > park-hopping, my guess is that DCA would be in much worse shape if it > wasn't where it is. I agree. You put DCA in San Diego, and it won't have anywhere near the attendance figures it has now. And even then I bet it would probably barely be topping the figures, if at all, of the San Diego Zoo/Wild Animal Park and Sea World (especially if you took 'Disney' out of its name). >> I wish that people would stop thinking about one day tickets for the >> park. People aren't going to get one day tickets for DCA any more >> than >> they're going to buy them for Animal Kingdom or MGM studios. I wouldn't be so sure about the one day tickets. I doubt that many families that live east of the Mississippi will want to spend all of a 4 or 5 day vacation to Southern California just at Disneyland, because there are a ton of other things to do out there -- Hollywood, San Diego, LA, the beach, etc. So they might just wind up going for only one day. And when I was looking at the prices before, I was noticing the 'Southern CA discounts'. I remember this was a while ago that they started it, but does anyone know the reasoning? I don't really see the need for charging more for tourists, looking at it from a different perspective... Mike From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jan 18 14:26:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10913 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from webmail23.lax.untd.com (webmail23.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.163]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB67SCFACRRRVJ for (sender ); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail23.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LE2GYP25; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:24:43 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail23.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:23:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:23:52 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060118.142443.24434.66605@webmail23.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:372374966 X-MAIL-INFO:356e279e0fee7a0fce7feed77ad7aff34f6bfeca8b5b6a47636b4f028e8aea0f6a X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAFtgobgsAXAd5RjbGyxPuCpeWFO0fzymnw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.163|webmail23.lax.untd.com|webmail23.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=_otaGVFudIy2KkrFLbxz-BS2zZKF6SlKtmaND6y3rwRS1oxGPA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr I don't know about other areas, but all of the parks in Florida offer "Flor= ida Resident Discounts" The idea is that if the ticket prices are lower, p= eople are somewhat more willing to come more often, and more money is made = from overpriced food and merchandice. $50 or $100 probably won't be the de= ciding factor for someone who is already spending a couple thousand on a we= ek long vacation, but it could certainly make the difference for someone wh= o's an hour drive or less away, especially if there's a special event or re= latives come in town, etc. Tim N. ---------------------- Original Message: ---------------------- And when I was looking at the prices before, I was noticing the=20=20 'Southern CA discounts'. I remember this was a while ago that they=20=20 started it, but does anyone know the reasoning? I don't really see=20=20 the need for charging more for tourists, looking at it from a=20=20 different perspective... ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 14:47:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 876 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 22:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 22:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 22:47:51 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so39954wxc for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.20.12 with SMTP id 12mr4780035wxt; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:47:51 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Legoland expansion proposal to go to planners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=RGChVnap32wu_AK8Y3yypAfWu834q0cLHmW5YafqemVU6Q-UTnDbwbU X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > The new attractions that the Planning Commission will consider are > aimed at a broad range of ages, rather than just older children, > Clark said. A Legoland report to the city of Carlsbad indicates they > will include: > * a play zone aimed at the 3- to 6-y.o's with a 20', push-button > activated pole, water-spraying cannons and monkeys; > * a viewing plaza for parents; > * a "Pirate Splash Battle" ride where people journey in 4-man > vehicles along a water trough system; > * a "Mini Flume" attraction where young children and their parents > can experience a low-speed ride that ends with a drop into a water > trough; > * a 3-level water play area for the 6- to 12-y.o. crowd featuring a > pirate ship theme. Darn, I was really expecting they were finally going to add a full sized (or at least medium) flume attraction. Mini Flume doesn't sound very encouraging. The Pirate Battle ride sounds fun too. Also, Gmail brought up this article in connection with this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20060114-9999-1mi14lego.html It has more details on the expansion (the flume is 15 feet tall...), and it mentions that they also want to add an "Xtreme Cluster" after they add this "Pirate Cluster." "The two rides planned for the Xtreme cluster are "aqua drag," in which riders race down a water slide, and "Drome attraction," road-racing based on Lego's race cars." The racing one sounds like what I saw on the Legoland Germany map, which looks like a Lego Racers dark ride. I'm guessing the water slide one will just be one of those multi-lane water slides. Anyways, it's nice that they're still continuing on with the expansion. Now that Spellbreaker is out, I hope they'll consider adding a Roller Soaker type suspended roller coaster. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 15:12:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7149 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 23:12:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 23:11:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 23:11:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:11:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Legoland expansion proposal to go to planners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=szn8vPNaMFPADtmyKvY4WR-uXC_MHH6Oz4UNQkYLjrxGWRJ2suwI X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > Darn, I was really expecting they were finally going to add a full > sized (or at least medium) flume attraction. Mini Flume doesn't sound > very encouraging. Yeah, a medium-sized flume with big Lego sculptures as theming would be=20 a good addition to the park, and could appeal to kids as young as 6 or=20 so up through adults. It's interesting to see how this park develops compared to others.=20 Their explicit mission is to appeal to kids under 12, but they're able=20 to keep adults happy (as long as they're not looking for big thrills)=20 with good theming and landscaping. Miniland is amazing, of course, but=20 I also like little things like that Lego art gallery on top of the=20 sculptors' studio. The Mondrian must have been easy to duplicate with=20 Lego. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Jan 18 15:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9728 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 23:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 23:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 23:31:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 23:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2006 23:30:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:30:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.216.17.229 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=F1fuc1yicanJbLh86tWsp_fbFk5Jm4J5ym7uGKfmsZFOiLbR9pWEvzA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Just read the following on bgtguide.com Food Policies No food, coolers, or drinks may be brought into the park. so - will they really confiscate sandwiches and bottled water?? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 15:45:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60805 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2006 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 23:45:27 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k3so132127ugf for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.40.14 with SMTP id s14mr471852nfj; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:45:26 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=xB_I1BCFQUPHgbid99tNkteOI5kA1ELQq1VyxkD1TXurUrVNCfv3VAo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Just read the following on bgtguide.com > > Food Policies No food, coolers, or drinks may be brought into the park= . > > so - will they really confiscate sandwiches and bottled water?? Yes. The vast majority of parks operate with the same or similar policies. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 18 18:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38833 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 02:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 02:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 02:19:24 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EzPLx-0005Ck-Sh for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:16:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a54980e12103a21af146fbf603e9474e19350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=I0GLTR9e-ollTi1GYiM_J1-e7pHh9QCv0J3Fx7owION7fRg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > Hi, > > Just read the following on bgtguide.com > > Food Policies No food, coolers, or drinks may be brought into the > park. > > so - will they really confiscate sandwiches and bottled water?? > That policy generally holds true at most US parks- they don't allow you to bring in food, drinks, etc. Bottled water is usually ok, in a limited fashion (e.g if each person is carrying one bottle that they're drinking from at the time) Small snacks are generally permitted- especially if you've got kids. But a cooler, or a backpack full of food obviously meant for meals? Forget it. It's not likely that you're going to be allowed to bring that into any park that serves up food from restaurants. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 21:33:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53637 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 05:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 05:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 05:33:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 37404 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2006 04:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:56 PST Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:56 -0800 (PST) To: a janice a , chris k , Nate Kohlrusch , "mike_ska@yahoo.com" , coastertalk , jeremy daniels , Jeremy Daniels , DCADon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=YKA-sxnyHP2wE2BvqVPYkpWuJMU1zC746ho4bz9g0XKGQ489ks3H X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs/ AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jan 18 22:14:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96307 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 06:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 06:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 06:14:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028A19A67 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:43:26 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> References: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6BC69FD6-B8CD-49AB-833C-835693EB0C3D@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:43:23 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=kuB3_7ESElguw4hkpDtrG8HDWJXwp9uab_VQVYmOuamqsai_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > That policy generally holds true at most US parks- they don't allow > you > to bring in food, drinks, etc. Many parks will give you free cups of iced water if you ask nicely. Someone once told me that many states require it by law, although I've never verified it. Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 22:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16017 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 06:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 06:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 06:46:21 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so140024ugf for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.87.4 with SMTP id p4mr16142nfl; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:36:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:36:11 -0600 To: brian farral Cc: a janice a , chris k , "mike_ska@yahoo.com" , coastertalk , jeremy daniels , Jeremy Daniels , DCADon In-Reply-To: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=3yqI8Y7K4M53K757XHm0T9r574kZk8exuIbHfUPCufrw4EBRWOg5RmA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 So who's going? And do we have enough club members to take all of us? :-) -Nate ("in") On 1/18/06, brian farral wrote: > http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs/ > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 05:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66323 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 13:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 13:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:02:37 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so204152wra for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.116.16 with SMTP id t16mr259485qbm; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:00:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601190500p17bf4828w73c630175f668b92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:00:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=vb0VDIxqzgQ618TTNI--sJQxzF4UQp-AC5y0TxJ30P2kEZ0D X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'll be there On 1/19/06, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > So who's going? > > And do we have enough club members to take all of us? :-) > > -Nate ("in") > > On 1/18/06, brian farral wrote: > > http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs/ > > > > AFLAC!!! > > > > -Brian F. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From onhisown@comcast.net Thu Jan 19 05:23:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83904 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 13:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 13:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:23:08 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011913203701100dddkue>; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:20:37 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c61cfb$20e4ea80$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:20:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=BvdjQ8gdh1Y8Pc0Jx17YRU2zj5JS4wIVbwB3T4M6wxjWLJ2pNoM X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > So who's going? > > And do we have enough club members to take all of us? :-) My campsite at Camp Rudolph has been reserved since November - can't wait! Mark From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Jan 19 05:44:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83608 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 13:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 13:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.17) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 10265 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2006 13:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:40:34 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eza1h-0001Dh-Nv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:40:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <003e01c61cfb$20e4ea80$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> References: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003e01c61cfb$20e4ea80$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <114D65EA-BA1C-4D70-8C11-A01E14B3819F@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:45:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: News: Disney going to buy Pixar? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=AGVe_M72uDz_jJnCJ4-MISqE0RnvMAA-xuQO5TqV4afiMOF6m13H X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I heard a rumor on this a while back, and a new story popped up today. For those who don't know, Steve Jobs is also the CEO of Apple Computer, and he owns 50.1% of Pixar. Could be interesting to see how it would affect the parks if it happens, if at all. http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/19/news/companies/disney_pixar.reut/ index.htm?cnn=yes ----------------------------------- Monster Inc.: Disney mulls buying Pixar Report: If deal is successful, Steve Jobs would become biggest individual Disney shareholder. NEW YORK (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co. is in serious talks about an acquisition of Pixar Animation Studios, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter. The newspaper report said terms under discussion would have Disney (Research) pay a small premium to Pixar's (Research) current stock market value of $6.7 billion. The deal would be a stock transaction and make Pixar Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs the biggest individual shareholder in Disney, the newspaper reported. The talks are at a sensitive stage and other options are possible, including an agreement for Disney to distribute Pixar movies, the report said, citing people familiar with the situation. The companies have been partners since Pixar began making feature films with "Toy Story." Currently Pixar and Disney split costs, and Disney effectively has sequel rights to Pixar films. Representatives for Disney and Pixar could not immediately be reached for comment. ----------------------------------- Mike From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 05:48:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89999 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 13:48:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 13:48:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:48:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=jzjSIny0Vh7HthwC5EPdLFZAbfyT1mgfpTg383XWWWiFaCvhdiye1D8 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > daniel_roachus wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Just read the following on bgtguide.com > >=20 > > Food Policies No food, coolers, or drinks may be brought=20 into the=20 > > park. > >=20 > > so - will they really confiscate sandwiches and bottled water?? > >=20 >=20 > That policy generally holds true at most US parks- they don't allow=20 you=20 > to bring in food, drinks, etc. >=20 > Bottled water is usually ok, in a limited fashion (e.g if each=20 person is=20 > carrying one bottle that they're drinking from at the time) Small=20 > snacks are generally permitted- especially if you've got kids. But=20 a=20 > cooler, or a backpack full of food obviously meant for meals?=20=20 Forget=20 > it. It's not likely that you're going to be allowed to bring that=20 into=20 > any park that serves up food from restaurants. > I've never seen anyone have food confiscated in a UK park - although=20 I expect they may do if you bring a camping stove or something=20 silly... Talking of which - one park we used to go to used to have several=20 barbecues there, and guests could bring their own stuff to cook on=20 them! From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 05:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 220 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 13:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 13:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 13:55:44 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so189988nzi for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.141.2 with SMTP id t2mr298516qbn; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:55:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601190555me4a540ue4828520cce76d93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:55:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=2Y90jbE0TsGHzNQhCt-ET02BR9EFTEIxafEkj_bFdMIgFVtF X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 1/19/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > I've never seen anyone have food confiscated in a UK park - although > I expect they may do if you bring a camping stove or something > silly... > > Talking of which - one park we used to go to used to have several > barbecues there, and guests could bring their own stuff to cook on > them! Several parks still have picnic areas, but most have them outside the gate adjacent to the parking lot, so patrons are technically not bringing a cooler full of food into the park. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 06:28:24 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 06:42:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29802 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 14:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 14:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 14:42:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:35:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:35:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:35:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:35:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43CEF690.2000006@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: question: Busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8733QAZZ_n2kaRyngAxWqzvKJqhi8UL6fWVqw_msB7nSY7U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > daniel_roachus wrote: > Bottled water is usually ok, in a limited fashion (e.g if each person=20 is=20 > carrying one bottle that they're drinking from at the time) Small=20 > snacks are generally permitted- especially if you've got kids. But a=20 > cooler, or a backpack full of food obviously meant for meals? Forget=20 > it. It's not likely that you're going to be allowed to bring that=20 into=20 > any park that serves up food from restaurants. > keep on ridin' > George Disney is probably the most liberal with this policy. Granted, I've never tried to being in a cooler or anything, but we've=20 brought in snack and what-not. Even sandwiches, piles of cheese, large=20 bottles of water; all without a problem. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 06:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37553 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 14:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 14:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:50:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:50:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:50:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Euro Disney CFO headed to Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XRmq_z0p9Xs_dy7JAIkF7w1281zb5hV8jAA4MqyBsej3awM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 18, 2006 Los Angeles Business Business Journal Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060118/1216493.html?.v=3D2 Marne la Vall=E9e, France -- The CFO of Euro Disney is staying in the=20 amusement park business, heading over to Six Flags Inc. to become the=20 company's new CFO. Jeffrey Speed will start in his new capacity at 6F on Feb. 1,=20 replacing James Dannhauser, who will remain with the company until=20 April 1. Speed will report directly to new 6F CEO Mark Shapiro. Prior to Euro Disney, Speed served as VP of corporate finance and=20 assistant treasurer for Burbank's The Walt Disney Corp., where, in=20 addition to overall banking duties, he structured the financial=20 aspects of both Euro Disney and Hong Kong Disneyland. Oklahoma City's 6F has shaken up management since the company was=20 taken over by Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. Among the=20 company's 30 theme parks are 6F Magic Mountain and 6F Hurricane=20 Harbor, both located in Valencia. -------------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! 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From voicerodeo@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 06:58:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37509 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s15so142920wxc for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.3 with SMTP id p3mr796651wxc; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:56:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from LewisMobile ( [70.183.97.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h18sm1212499wxd.2006.01.19.06.56.54; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:56:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <029a01c61d08$92736de0$6501a8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:56:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: (changed subject to FOOD IN THE PARKS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=-Yke1ovGcDxVSxg2yc2-e9L_5YrRYC8t3LWHgVkyQpCxd9GEsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo the park in Salt Lake (am still pretty much asleep and the name escapes me at the moment) allows you to bring picnic food and even coolers into the park. To show you how family oriented (and very mormon) this state is, you bring your cooler in, set it on a picnic table in the picnic area, leave it there, then go ride your coasters... when you come back, everything is right where you left it. When I was up there two years ago for a rodeo right across the freeway, we finished the rodeo early enough in the day I thought I would check this park off my list of parks I have been to. Fun park, fun rides... and was just amazed at this picnic area where people left everything just sitting there.. no one touches anything, no one stole anything... was shocked, and .. kind of proud I guess. You dont see that anywhere anymore.. Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel_roachus" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:48 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: question: Busch gardens > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: >> >> daniel_roachus wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Just read the following on bgtguide.com >> > >> > Food Policies No food, coolers, or drinks may be brought > into the >> > park. >> > >> > so - will they really confiscate sandwiches and bottled water?? >> > >> >> That policy generally holds true at most US parks- they don't allow > you >> to bring in food, drinks, etc. >> >> Bottled water is usually ok, in a limited fashion (e.g if each > person is >> carrying one bottle that they're drinking from at the time) Small >> snacks are generally permitted- especially if you've got kids. But > a >> cooler, or a backpack full of food obviously meant for meals? > Forget >> it. It's not likely that you're going to be allowed to bring that > into >> any park that serves up food from restaurants. >> > > I've never seen anyone have food confiscated in a UK park - although > I expect they may do if you bring a camping stove or something > silly... > > Talking of which - one park we used to go to used to have several > barbecues there, and guests could bring their own stuff to cook on > them! > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 07:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39314 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 15:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 15:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 15:30:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 15:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 15:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 15:29:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:29:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Santa's park will return to Firebird X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wG6lY2cRJXKNvZNbFBl_dAfMvCY0IeNgXXW86knMbmP1vDY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Phoenix, AZ -- The Santa's theme park that made its first appearance=20 > at Firebird International Raceway over the holiday season was such a=20 > hit that its owners plan to bring it back. >=20 > Owners were still calculating attendance at the Christmas themed=20 > amusement park but estimated it was in the hundreds of thousands,=20 > said Michelle Zimmerman, Santa's spokeswoman. Final numbers may come=20 > next week. "They (owners) were extremely happy. Attendance was very,=20 > very good, and they will definitely be back next year," she said. > Asked if it would become an annual event, she said it was too early=20 > to say. Is this the same one that I've heard they were thinking about making it a permanent installation? I know that there was another in Williams that they're planning and building, but for some reason I thought that was also possibly happening with this. In any case, this may be a good sign and first step towards something larger and more permanent for the Phoenix area. If they were really doing hundreds of thousands in just a few weeks, that would certainly seem to indicate that an expansion might be feasible. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 07:49:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72913 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 15:49:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 15:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 15:45:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:45:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8313EE5E-5B75-40AC-856B-419F189175E2@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=-aXr8L0QAIoHeaguAHoT0hDBueoY9-CwHLK3lO8rm6HLAkc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > > Perhaps. Or we could look at it another way and say that maybe the > > only reason it's turning any significant numbers at all is exactly > > because it's so close to Disneyland. It's a question worth asking, I > > think, whether those turnstyles would be turning at all if Disneyland > > wasn't next door. With the way Disney pushes two-day tickets and > > park-hopping, my guess is that DCA would be in much worse shape if it > > wasn't where it is. >=20 > I agree. You put DCA in San Diego, and it won't have anywhere near=20=20 > the attendance figures it has now. And even then I bet it would=20=20 > probably barely be topping the figures, if at all, of the San Diego=20=20 > Zoo/Wild Animal Park and Sea World (especially if you took 'Disney'=20=20 > out of its name). But the same could also very easily be said of Animal Kingdom and Disney's MGM Studios. If they weren't part of a larger resort with multiple parks, or not "Disney" then they would fall flat on their face. Certainly their numbers wouldn't be near what they are. But that's trying to pretend that DCA as an independant park, something that it was never intended to be. It was always meant to expand Disneyland into a multi-park, multi-day destination. And that's exactly what it has done. It's kept people in the resort longer, and spending more money there. People who might have otherwise gone to Knott's or SFMM are instead going to DCA for that extra day.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > >> I wish that people would stop thinking about one day tickets for the > >> park. People aren't going to get one day tickets for DCA any more = =20 > >> than > >> they're going to buy them for Animal Kingdom or MGM studios. >=20 > I wouldn't be so sure about the one day tickets. I doubt that many=20=20 > families that live east of the Mississippi will want to spend all of=20=20 > a 4 or 5 day vacation to Southern California just at Disneyland,=20=20 > because there are a ton of other things to do out there -- Hollywood, = =20 > San Diego, LA, the beach, etc. So they might just wind up going for=20=20 > only one day. I'm not sure that numbers would bear that out, though I don't know who would be able to give info for sure. But I think you would be surprised how many 4 and 5 day tickets they sell to the area. Even when I worked at a Disney store an hour and a half away from the parks, our biggest sellers were the 4 day tickets. And we almost never sold one or two day tickets, though we had them available. There may be other things to do in Southern California, but that doesn't mean that Disney isn't the main focus of a SoCal vacation.=20 And the more that Disney can expand that focus, the better they are.=20 Just like Orlando. Obviously WDW isn't the only game in town, but there's a heck of a lot of people that never leave Disney property when they're here. >=20 > And when I was looking at the prices before, I was noticing the=20=20 > 'Southern CA discounts'. I remember this was a while ago that they=20=20 > started it, but does anyone know the reasoning? I don't really see=20=20 > the need for charging more for tourists, looking at it from a=20=20 > different perspective... As Tim mentioned, discounts for locals, or some sort of promotion, has been an ongoing thing for years. Usually it's just a discount or an annual pass, or sometimes giving a second day free with a one day ticket. But it's not a huge thing, and often is only during the off season. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 08:03:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37702 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:03:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:00:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:00:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=NNVSi4phZUpVKL322eDgulkXqhHV5IAhIy6w_QXLDr_7URQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > On 1/18/06, brian farral wrote: > > http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs/ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > So who's going? >=20 > And do we have enough club members to take all of us? :-) >=20 I would desparately love to go, and it even works in really nicely with our schedule this year. Unfortunately, it's going to be those plane tickets that are probably going to kill the idea. :( Otherwise I'd be able to offer up 4 FLCC members for you. Hopefully we can get some money saved and shoot for it next year. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 08:06:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54233 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:06:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 10:07:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:06:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:06:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Euro Disney CFO headed to Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LEE1o6CcU_aGHgjomhXRYVwbEzjsgeGzIHnT9R60NYu7xlA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > January 18, 2006 > Los Angeles Business Business Journal > Yahoo! Finance > http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060118/1216493.html?.v=3D2 >=20 >=20 > Marne la Vall=E9e, France -- The CFO of Euro Disney is staying in the=20 > amusement park business, heading over to Six Flags Inc. to become the=20 > company's new CFO. >=20 > Jeffrey Speed will start in his new capacity at 6F on Feb. 1,=20 > replacing James Dannhauser, who will remain with the company until=20 > April 1. Speed will report directly to new 6F CEO Mark Shapiro. This is in addition to more turnover on the board. 3 more of the "old" regime resigned and Snyder and co. have installed 3 more of their "friends" onto the board. Sorry for the long link to the article: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=3DindustryNews&storyID= =3D2006-01-12T233928Z_01_YUE285199_RTRIDST_0_INDUSTRY-LEISURE-SIXFLAGS-DC.X= ML&archived=3DFalse So looks like the turnover is just about complete. This new regime still scares me though, and I haven't been impressed with their changes so far. I've heard they've been raising parking prices all over the place to, and putting in parking fees where there hasn't been any before. Anyone know if that's true? keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 08:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94325 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:16:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:15:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:15:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:15:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Santa's park will return to Firebird X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vc8NpDHPOH5NiE5vPAr9gaZsXh9feKoKzhwBv_HzfGHvAD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > Is this the same one that I've heard they were thinking about making > it a permanent installation?=20 Yes, the very same one. > I know that there was another in > Williams that they're planning and building, but for some reason I > thought that was also possibly happening with this. There's still a plan for one in Williams (Rout 66 themed, or=20 something like that). There's also plans for another one, with a water park, in West=20 Glendale. I have not heard anything further on the progress of these, though. =20 > In any case, this may be a good sign and first step towards=20 something > larger and more permanent for the Phoenix area. If they were really > doing hundreds of thousands in just a few weeks, that would=20 certainly > seem to indicate that an expansion might be feasible. I'm so excited! -Alan From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jan 19 08:26:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19620 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:26:08 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0JGJf4R007825 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:19:41 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:19:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <035509FC-6747-4457-9DDA-B20EEA011606@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:19:40 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 16:19:41.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[2710ED50:01C61D14] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Euro Disney CFO headed to Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hvgbi2r95VMj5U-x5vs7TZVuk1blTzNYFkSZP32hKY30pnxL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi George, I heard day tickets are now $60 at all parks, and parking is $15.=20=20 I've yet to see a real source for this though, just internet chatter. I'm with you .. these new guys make me shudder. Cameron. On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:06 AM, George Burnash wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20=20 > wrote: >> >> January 18, 2006 >> Los Angeles Business Business Journal >> Yahoo! Finance >> http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060118/1216493.html?.v=3D2 >> >> >> Marne la Vall=E9e, France -- The CFO of Euro Disney is staying in the >> amusement park business, heading over to Six Flags Inc. to become the >> company's new CFO. >> >> Jeffrey Speed will start in his new capacity at 6F on Feb. 1, >> replacing James Dannhauser, who will remain with the company until >> April 1. Speed will report directly to new 6F CEO Mark Shapiro. > > This is in addition to more turnover on the board. 3 more of the > "old" regime resigned and Snyder and co. have installed 3 more of > their "friends" onto the board. > > Sorry for the long link to the article: > http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?=20 > type=3DindustryNews&storyID=3D2006-01-12T233928Z_01_YUE285199_RTRIDST_0_I= N=20 > DUSTRY-LEISURE-SIXFLAGS-DC.XML&archived=3DFalse > > So looks like the turnover is just about complete. This new regime > still scares me though, and I haven't been impressed with their > changes so far. I've heard they've been raising parking prices all > over the place to, and putting in parking fees where there hasn't been > any before. Anyone know if that's true? > > keep on ridin' > George > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 08:36:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88064 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:32:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:32:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Phoenix flies at new China theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Yog5Fo_PQQzwE54aPPqXr6su-jspP7RUc-KoP2ierZ7_syg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 05, 2006 Amusement Business http://amusementbusiness.com/amusementbusiness/industrynews/article_di splay.jsp?vnu_content_id=3D1001806256&imw=3DY&imw=3DY By Juliana Koranteng LONDON, UK -- A Chinese regional government organization is putting=20 the finishing touches on a new theme park called Phoenix Mountain's=20 Happy Park in the port city of Ningbo, south of Shanghai. The venture, with the design and master planning by Cincinnati-based=20 Jack Rouse Associates, kicks off with a soft launch on Jan. 18,=20 followed by a full-blown commercial opening on Feb. 28. The 50-acre park is named for the phoenix, the mythological firebird=20 that resurrects itself and denotes happiness in Chinese culture and=20 the nearby Phoenix Mountains. The park is key to the ambitions of the NETD (Ningbo Economic and=20 Technical Development Zone), the government organization responsible=20 for the urban development zone in Beilun district, near the Ningbo=20 City Center. "The Phoenix Mountains is a regional theme park, which=20 is an anchor to the city's plaza, and is aimed at families,=20 especially the extended families in China, which not only include the=20 parents and their kids but also the grandparents," said Don Jewett,=20 JRA's design director of planning. Jewett told AB that JRA has been involved in the project since 2001=20 and that the park is expecting an estimated 1.2 million visitors a=20 year. Among the rides is an inverted coaster by Switzerland-based Intamin,=20 a pepper's ghost storytelling theater, and a 3-D environmental=20 theater film. The narrative behind the park's attractions follows the fairy-tale=20 adventures of 2 children, Feng Feng and Huang Huang, who have escaped=20 from the clutches of an evil wizard. Combined, the young protagonists' names mean phoenix, and the park's=20 rides and attractions depict the various stages in their adventures=20 around the world, especially regions where local cultures center on=20 the phoenix. The park's 4 major regional sections are the World Plaza, where=20 visitors can learn the background to the fairy tale and the start of=20 Feng Feng and Huang Huang's adventures. From there, the guests make=20 their way to Magic Land, where evil wizard resides. Voyage of Adventure, the park's 3rd section, introduces visitors to=20 the different cultures experienced by the 2 children. At the 4th section, Phoenix City, Feng Feng and Huang Huang fulfill=20 their destiny. There, they are crowned the city's prince and princess=20 and meet all the phoenixes in the world to celebrate their newfound=20 freedom. Another attraction, with the working name the Wizard's Dark Ride, is=20 scheduled to be installed at the Magic Land during a 2nd phase of the=20 park's development. -------------- Copyright 2005 Amusement Business =A9 2005 VNU eMedia Inc. From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 08:37:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14147 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.199) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:37:09 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so261019nzd for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.243.17 with SMTP id v17mr501606qbr; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.12 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:37:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601190837l3fecb050g43a56b85edefa3f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:37:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <035509FC-6747-4457-9DDA-B20EEA011606@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <035509FC-6747-4457-9DDA-B20EEA011606@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Euro Disney CFO headed to Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=-O_KJPA7_nxFBGCuaYzlqgpZmWCL2Kdy575sckxPLzNZkiLM X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 1/19/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi George, > > I heard day tickets are now $60 at all parks, and parking is $15. > I've yet to see a real source for this though, just internet chatter. > > I'm with you .. these new guys make me shudder. > It doesn't appear to be chain-wide yet, but some of the prices are showing up on the sixflags.com webpage. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 08:42:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15956 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 16:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 16:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 16:42:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:42:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 16:42:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:42:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <035509FC-6747-4457-9DDA-B20EEA011606@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Euro Disney CFO headed to Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=MkVl5TbcOBprmRC90cGth5RDeole0Arpk7OiLIBpHY_2QHY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > Hi George, >=20 > I heard day tickets are now $60 at all parks,=20 There are two parks at least that really are $60- SFMM and I think it's SFA. SFKK is now almost $40, and as far as I know all parks have seen a $5-10 increase in their ticket prices. So there are some hints of truth in that one. and parking is $15.=20=20 So far as I've been able to tell, that changes from park to park.=20 I've only just begun to see a couple claiming $15 parking, but don't know how accurate that is. I'm sure it won't be for every park, but it does sound like they're raising that one up just about everywhere to. > I'm with you .. these new guys make me shudder. I'm hoping it's just a bad first impression, and that there are going to be a lot of positives that we won't see until the parks start to open for the season. Goodness knows that there are a ton of things that they can improve inside the parks to, but it'll be a while yet before we get a chance to see if they did that to. Hopefully there's going to be a lot of changes in upkeep, ops, repair, and customer service, but no way to know until later on. But yeah, it's looking pretty frightening from my perspective at this point. Prayerfully I can keep up my track record of being wrong on my first thoughts. :P keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 09:24:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11213 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 17:24:45 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so27922ugd for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.39.19 with SMTP id r19mr63016nfj; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:24:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:24:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8313EE5E-5B75-40AC-856B-419F189175E2@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=k7nISIRzRxGQehvctWUKaGk2AtlFQDQRuIy5biQLxPL5DrRCTnl9AQU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > But the same could also very easily be said of Animal Kingdom and > Disney's MGM Studios. If they weren't part of a larger resort with > multiple parks, or not "Disney" then they would fall flat on their > face. Certainly their numbers wouldn't be near what they are. Maybe, but attendance numbers at Animal Kingdom and Disney's MGM Studios are certainly higher than those at DCA. I'm not sure whether those parks have the drawing power to exist by themselves. My guess is that Animal Kingdom probably would but I'm not sure about MGM. > But that's trying to pretend that DCA as an independant park, > something that it was never intended to be. It was always meant to > expand Disneyland into a multi-park, multi-day destination. And > that's exactly what it has done. It's kept people in the resort > longer, and spending more money there. People who might have > otherwise gone to Knott's or SFMM are instead going to DCA for that > extra day. Well, *some* of them are. That's my whole point. For DCA existing as a "second day, must-do" park, it doesn't seem to be working very well. I certainly agree that if forced to choose between DL and DCA, Disneyland wins hands down. But the problem is that a large portion of visitors to Disneyland *don't* seem to take the second day at DCA.=20 Whether that makes the park a "failure" is debatable, but I don't think it's nearly as successful as it should be (or as Disney intended it to be). -Nate From cra7zzzzzzzpat@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 10:40:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cra7zzzzzzzpat@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45754 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 18:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 18:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 18:40:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 14:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2006 20:38:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:38:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.70.72 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=ALKtv560nGpSpBA6KarTUTKIQsCovdZi4UwP1-GNERIxEDyn X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral wrote: > > http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs/ >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. >=20 > Of note, Beech Bend will be hosting an event that Sunday evening. ERT from 8PM-Mindnight (or beyond) and it will feature Chris and Jeff from GCII operating the ride. All for $24, which is pretty much the price of an all-admission wristband at the park anyways. I believe the Zamperla Mouse and Pinfari portable are included in the ERT as well. No flyer is available at this time... From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jan 19 12:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28717 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 20:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 20:59:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:57:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200601191257.AA530579628@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=8x6ko9qZtoV0BShuPYr7QJaXcji0YZhxiqYM6fISe7LZFeZ1A1m3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > DCA was obviously constructed as a complement to Disneyland and, judging by ticket sales and pricing, is designed to attract the same people who visit the park next door. < I disagree with this. Yes, it was designed as a complement. But I think they may have mistaken what families go to Disneyland for. DCA is basically a standard amusement park with Disney branding. But it's tiny compared to Six Flags or Knott's. If people want to go to an amusement park, Knott's isn't that far a drive from Disney. I think that families go to Disney for its uniqueness and its storied history. It has a lot more family appeal than an average amusement park, because families can pretty much ride everything together. Whereas at DCA (just like at Six Flags), Mom or Dad might not want to join the kids on the "thrill" rides. And the kids might be too young to go on them anyway. To me, DCA looked like an attempt by Disney to compete with the standard amusement park. The irony is that Disneyland was created to be something completely different from the standard amusement park, and maybe that's what the guests who go there want. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 14:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71328 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 22:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 22:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.199) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 22:15:09 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so545uge for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.22.15 with SMTP id z15mr88938nfi; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:05:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:05:08 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200601191257.AA530579628@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601191257.AA530579628@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=YxTMJBQ3hOpqaTyaG1YlJZcU3b4tqy61_aiPB9la_REhcycLiS56KKc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > DCA was obviously constructed as a complement to Disneyland and, judgin= g > > by ticket sales and pricing, is designed to attract the same people w= ho visit > > the park next door. > I disagree with this. Yes, it was designed as a complement. But I think= they > may have mistaken what families go to Disneyland for. DCA is basically a > standard amusement park with Disney branding. But it's tiny compared to = Six > Flags or Knott's. If people want to go to an amusement park, Knott's isn= 't that > far a drive from Disney. I'm not sure you're in disagreement. My argument was that Disney obviously designed DCA thinking they would essentially double resort-wide attendance by keeping people there for two days. By "complement," then, I mean that DCA was intended to be a separately gated park that would attract the same people that visit Disneyland. Obviously that didn't happen, and I think that's pretty clearly Disney's fault for missing the boat with DCA. The idea behind its construction, though, was that its attendance would be near to or equal the attendance of Disneyland. That hasn't happened for numerous reasons, I think, but that's my argument. I'm not sure you're in disagreement. > To me, DCA looked like an attempt by Disney to compete with the standard > amusement park. The irony is that Disneyland was created to be something > completely different from the standard amusement park, and maybe that's what > the guests who go there want. There may be disagreement here, but I'm still not sure. I was speaking of DCA strictly in a business sense, not in the specific attractions that were included in the park's construction. I can see where you're coming from, I think, but I do believe that there are at least a few attractions that are well done in classic Disney style.=20 This competition with a standard amusement park *could* be the reason DCA isn't doing as well as it should, but I don't think Disney ever intended for DCA's attendance to be as low (relatively speaking) as it is. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 14:17:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48264 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 22:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2006 22:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.197) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 22:17:47 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so21511uge for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.232.18 with SMTP id e18mr88851nfh; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:17:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119043256.37402.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Finally... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FTLvmUbYi8EkN2391mSVQVdxCOuFyd0GaFdJT-RS32U17JS0J56rOGs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Of note, Beech Bend will be hosting an event that Sunday evening. ERT > from 8PM-Mindnight (or beyond) and it will feature Chris and Jeff from > GCII operating the ride. All for $24, which is pretty much the price > of an all-admission wristband at the park anyways. I believe the > Zamperla Mouse and Pinfari portable are included in the ERT as well. > No flyer is available at this time... Very cool. This could get to be an expensive weekend, but the good news is that I (finally) got my Greezed Lightnin' credit last fall, so I won't need to go anywhere near the hole that is SFKK this year. :-) -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jan 20 08:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75963 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2006 16:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2006 16:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2006 16:18:00 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k40so324900ugc for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.11.19 with SMTP id o19mr153358nfi; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:17:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:53 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hay all get me a slurpy and send me on a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PmxN6WGXREJwo8HustPuy87XW6bc0Ku9Kr-Zk2rs0JH8fI4N6pwW7Ek X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > HAY check ouyt my photo album, commont on anything u like dislike and > such, otherwise FEEL the rush of a coaster, if u do decide to chekc it > out MAKE SURE u set it io fast and listen to some techkno or some UP > beat music...it helps the viewing, i got like 200 photos hence SET TO > FAST and enjoy MY show +) yahooooo Slayer schatz +) I'm confused. Does this have anything to do with coasters? Or am I missing something, duuuuuuuuude? -Nate (who didn't think the slideshow felt anything like a rollercoaster, even on fast and with "techkno" music) From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 13:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66647 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 21:55:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 21:54:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 21:54:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:54:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Question: Regarding WDW's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=qvYauJ-9IpYJsARLyaKegn1zo29bUOMCFGAuFUtgbTsZ0MnK X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm I haven't been online in a while so I'm way behind on posts... Does anyone know when the new ride at AK is supposed to open? It's the=20 Yeti RC. I went online but there isn't much except to say opening=20 early 2006. Thanks, Kristy From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 13:58:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23932 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 21:56:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2006 21:56:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:56:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=4RTAlwMs7h3dJljvK3AszWtaKI3vDgUrj_P25H6DKpl8lVju X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm I may be moving to So. California, Irvine area. If anyone lives or=20 have lived in that area could you please give me some info/tips etc... What parks are in the area besides Disney? Do you bother to get season=20 tixs? The usual :) Email off board KristyJSM@yahoo.com Thanks in advance! Kristy From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Jan 21 14:50:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49867 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2006 22:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2006 22:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2006 22:50:06 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so523733wxd for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.45.4 with SMTP id s4mr4049055wxs; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:50:05 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.194 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=GcvCmCFJRaZvq10zuR5fZIy5uR4rNB5wuaiEsChyJcpo9g9ONClkyT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 1/21/06, Kristy Milo wrote: > I may be moving to So. California, Irvine area. If anyone lives or > have lived in that area could you please give me some info/tips etc... > > What parks are in the area besides Disney? Do you bother to get season > tixs? The usual :) > > Email off board > KristyJSM@yahoo.com > > Thanks in advance! > Kristy I'll just send this to the list. It's a bit slow anyways. I'm currently in Irvine, at UCI. As far as parks, depending on traffic and how long it takes to get to the freeway, you're about 20 minutes from the Disneyland resort, about 30 minutes from Knott's Berry Farm and the soon to close Adventure City, and about an hour/1.5 hours from Universal Studios Hollywood and Six Flags Magic Mountain.=20 Keep going north and you'll eventually reach SF Marine World and Paramount's Great Adventure, but that'll be a much longer drive.=20 Also, there's a decent sized waterpark right in Irvine, Wild Rivers, but I've never gone there. If you go south, you're about an hour from Legoland, and about 1.5/2 hours from Sea World and Belmont Park. Keep going south, into Mexico, and you might find Mundo Divertido. As for season passes, I currently own one for the Disneyland Resort, partially because it's the closest and because there's more for me to do there than at Knott's, which I usually only go to for the coasters. However, I definitely could see getting one for Knott's, as you'll be pretty close, it's an excellent park, and the season pass prices are reasonable. I just didn't get a season pass because I already go there several times a year, and I already spent quite a bit on the pass for Disneyland, which tend to be expensive if you want one without a bunch of blockout dates. Also, you might consider a SFMM pass. I'm just not sure what they cost now after all the radical price increases, and it wasn't worth it to me before because it was still too far away to visit regularly when I don't have any regular means of transportation besides the bus (which would probably take about 5 hours and $40 to get to SFMM). Here's the rundown on Disneyland season passes. They have two that are exclusive to CA residents, the Southern California Select and the Southern California pass. The So-Cal Select pass is $99, and isn't usuable for any weekends, most of summer, a lot of Fridays, and about half of December. So it's good if you can get some weekdays off. The So-Cal pass is $149 and is also not good for most of summer, Saturdays, and about half of December. Not bad if you're off on Sunday, I guess. The Deluxe Annual Passport (the one I have) cost $209 (no Knott's pass for me...) is blocked out for about a week in December and about half the Saturdays. After that, you have the Premium Pass for $329, which is always good, offers a lot of better discounts, and I think has some other perks. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 17:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78174 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 01:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 01:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.89) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 01:08:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 84033 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 01:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060122010809.84031.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.106.115.226] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:08:09 PST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1137699624.176.57108.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=-dNmzlx0i5dDvDYHePTJkSwSUxgtJ-61CmjIxYZpXl1vtdeE3-v0 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > I heard day tickets are now $60 at all parks, and parking is $15. > I've yet to see a real source for this though, just internet chatter. > I'm with you .. these new guys make me shudder. So I guess that means you can say goodby to the $54.99 season pass too... Makes me glad we bought ours last October. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 18:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24983 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 02:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:35:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Question: Regarding WDW's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=EVtzzxLtBLQRXKz1mXDZdDm9uRtw0s37Ge6wFAGFhPf7jh8S_A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > > I haven't been online in a while so I'm way behind on posts... >=20 > Does anyone know when the new ride at AK is supposed to open? It's the=20 > Yeti RC. I went online but there isn't much except to say opening=20 > early 2006. >=20 > Thanks, > Kristy > Sometimes I wonder if people are jerking our chains when a question is asked like this. It's weird only because those of us who are insane and check multiple sites daily get so involved in the status and progress of interesting new rides it's hard to believe that not everybody is as fixated as we are! Expedition Everest, the new coaster at Animal Kingdom is complete. Plants will grow and fill out, but all the theming and ride systems are done.=20 Presently, cast member previews (mostly imagineers and bigwigs so far) are getting to ride, and some filming for comercials has begun. Soft openings aren't announced yet, but should begin any time now. The official "Grand Opening" for the ride hasn't been set in stone yet, but April 7th seems to be the day. Annual Passholders and Disney Vacation Club members are getting a preview January 26-29th. Since some "normal" folks have made it on, there are some amatuer POV films out there, as well as a couple shots of the finale Animatronic figure: The Yeti. If you don't want the surprise ruined, DON'T watch!=20 Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jan 21 18:35:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83849 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 02:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 02:35:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:01:08 -0800 Message-Id: <200601211801.AA745210058@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5nTHpQ14x6zwolDunStLTI7aHNLZYkZvAmGCf6CheH_owaRZn-_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I'm not sure you're in disagreement. [snip] I mean that DCA was intended to be a separately gated park that would attract the same people that visit Disneyland. < Yeah, Nate, I agree with this. And I think we both agree that Disney screwed up. I'm just perplexed why Disney didn't simply expand the Magic Kingdom and capitalize on what makes that resort destination so desireable, rather than try to create a sort of standard amusement park next door. Why not, for instance, capitalize on their relationship with Pixar (especially now since they may be buying the company) and create a whole Pixar village? Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 02:47:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95779 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 10:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 10:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 10:47:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 10:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 10:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 10:46:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:46:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.144.15 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=6bnI_k3kwXZI7dfIGy6Bc3LCHhXYMI_TQnl4Ehg22fgVBg6Actyc X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks wrote: > > On 1/21/06, Kristy Milo wrote: > > I may be moving to So. California, Irvine area. If anyone lives or > > have lived in that area could you please give me some info/tips etc... > > > > What parks are in the area besides Disney? Do you bother to get season > > tixs? The usual :) I lived in Long Beach for 30 years up until last year and now live closer to Los Angeles. Here's my quick rundown: 1. Disneyland - I've never had a season pass, but this is probably the park/resort where you could get the most value out of multiple visits. The season passes cover DCA, too. It's very close to Irvine. 2. Wild Rivers - This is in Irvine and is a pretty good water park, though I haven't been in years. In fact, I haven't been to any waterparks at all in the past 10 years or so. Back when I was a teenager Raging Waters in San Dimas was always the top dog as far as water parks; it probably still is. I've never been to Knott's Soak City (one adjacent to the Berry Farm, one in San Diego, one in Palm Springs) or to Six Flags Hurricane Harbor (adjacent to SFMM). 3. Knott's Berry Farm - This is a very nice park, with 3 world-class coasters, a lot of other fun stuff, and a good atmosphere. Discounted tickets in the $25 range are fairly easy to come by if you poke around. 4. Universal Studios - About an hour's drive north of Irvine. Fun to see, but you can easily see everything there in one day if the crowds aren't too heavy. Not much reason to visit more than once every 5 years or so, though. 5. Six Flags Magic Mountain - I have mixed feelings about this place. On the one hand, if you want coaster thrills, this is your top destination. Atmosphere-wise, though, expect a lot of slow lines, long distances to walk, and just generally weak management. I had an annual pass last year (they were having a buy-a-day get-a-year-free deal) and only used it a few times. 6. Legoland - an hour or so south of Irvine. Wonderful for kids, and wonderful for you if you like Lego. 7. Belmont Park - about an hour and a half south of Irvine in San Diego. Has a good classic wooden roller coaster dating back to the 1920s and a handful of other rides. 8. Sea World, San Diego Zoo, SD Wild Animal Park - also in and around San Diego. The SD Zoo is world-class. Some minor parks: 9. The Balboa Fun Zone is very close to Irvine in Newport Beach, on the Peninsula next to the Balboa Island Ferry. This is a tiny, tiny amusement park (just about one acre) with an arcade, carousel, Big Eli Ferris wheel, bumper cars, a sort of mini teacup-type ride, and an amusing but not particularly frightening old-fashioned dark ride. 10. Adventure City - just down the street from Knott's, this will be closing later this year. I've never been, but they have a good-looking Wild Mouse coaster. This place is aimed towards kids and birthday parties and such. 11. Pacific Park - on the pier in Santa Monica, this has a large Ferris wheel with a superb view, a very tame steel roller coaster, and a few other rides. Santa Monica is fun to visit; lots of shopping and restaurants on the 3rd Street Promenade. 12. Scandia Park (in Ontario), Castle Park (Riverside), Pharaoh's Lost Kingdom (Redlands). These are essentially expanded miniature golf/family fun center type places with a few more rides, including small coasters. I haven't been to any of them, but I want to try to rectify that sometime this year. And farther out: 13. Las Vegas - All sorts of ways to spend money here. A few places have coasters or other amusement rides. Wild Bill's casino at the state line has a good hyper-coaster called the Desperado and a log flume. The Sahara has a pretty cool launched shuttle coaster called Speed: The Ride. There's a bunch of really high stuff on top of the Stratosphere. The New York, New York hotel has an overpriced coaster and the Circus Circus has a small amusement park, too. 14. The Bay Area - The Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk is the sort of great seaside amusement zone that used to be very common in California, has a classic woodie. I haven't been to Paramount's Great America since I was 4 years old. Six Flags Marine World is a hybrid of a marine animal park and a more standard Six Flags park with big roller coasters. Other stuff - Beaches, Mountains, Desert - California has some of the biggest variety of natural wonders anywhere. Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Channel Islands, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Yosemite, Redwood, and Lassen are full-fledged National Parks, and there are a zillion other state and federal parks worth writing home about. Hollywood, etc. - see Hollywood and Sunset Blvds,. watch a TV show being taped, spot a movie being filmed on location, see maps of the stars' homes, visit trendy nightclubs, see live theatre, etc. Ethnic food - Vietnamese food in Westminster, Chinese in the San Gabriel Valley, Middle Eastern in Anaheim, Indian in Artesia, Thai all over, but especially in East Hollywood, Korean in Koreatown (duh), Mexican everywhere, and much more. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 07:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73987 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 15:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 15:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 15:20:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 15:20:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 15:20:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=PWG0kVz4nFJ1bLrovOG4zSfL36Q_TzH4D5BVhbKPr_uSS-fX X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Thank you everyone for the info- FABULOUS :) It's greatly appreciated! ~Kristy~ From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 07:25:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19927 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 15:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 15:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 15:25:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 15:16:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 15:16:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:16:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Question: Regarding WDW's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=HU76I569PZsyf4k49lH2ODr1dZyflMoUJ-B0TdOnWdUpLpNI X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm > Sometimes I wonder if people are jerking our chains when a=20 question is > asked like this. It's weird only because those of us who are insane > and check multiple sites daily get so involved in the status and > progress of interesting new rides it's hard to believe that not > everybody is as fixated as we are! Thanks for the response! Sorry to ask but between running- TWO full=20 time businesses I just don't get on here as much as I used too.=20 Maybe once a month and mostly only get to scan through the subject=20 lines so if something jumps out at me then I read it. I'm sure I'm=20 not the only one... I'm a DVC member since 95 and they haven't sent anything to me in=20 the mail regarding the ride in addition to a little blurb in the=20 newsletter/magazine- usually they do- maybe I just missed it. ~Kristy~ From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 08:17:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53536 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 16:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 16:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 16:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 38102 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2006 16:16:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060122161618.38100.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:16:18 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200601211801.AA745210058@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Reply-To: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=XAUB-tpA4LvjZct95g3F7mfejwq4GgJtchJBOyi-d6TV8ys X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was meant to attract some of the same people as Disneyland, but not all. As I understand it Disney's target demographic was young adults (18-35). Obviously they wanted the tweens, teens, and families, but these were on a secondary tier of importance. However, I think they have learned that this group does not spend as much time and money at a Disney facility as they would have liked. Personally I think they should have made a Disney studios park (take the lessons and initial investment put into MGM) and applied it here. I think that brand and concept would have been strong enough to get more people and they could have pulled some people from Universal. As for expanding Disneyland, I don't think that would have been good long-term. By adding a second park there is more perceived value and more potential for ROI. By expanding the park they would have gotten some people to stay longer, but my guess is that the numbers said a second gate provided more extended stay potential than merely adding another land or two. Adam *************** Adam Sandy The Baddest Motherfucker on the Planet *************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 13:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2213 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2006 21:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2006 21:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2006 21:30:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 21:28:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 21:28:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:28:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.155.175 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Mh2BUfypz1cOHeQu5Rly1eJGqTG4tfOtby9CcNrhH5Yk7_2jeNu2 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I should add that the County Fairs in San Diego (June), Orange (July), and Los Angeles (September) all have their midways run by Ray Cammack Shows. RCS has a truly staggering collection of flat rides, from the kiddie to the very intense. They also travel with a good coaster called the Hi-Miler with lots of airtime and a Spinning Mouse. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the two biggest downsides to living here: 1. Housing prices are astronomical. 2. Traffic is very bad. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 18:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13460 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 02:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 02:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 02:33:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2006 20:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 02:32:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:32:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Question: Regarding WDW's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=8VcoULfclYv0OM2C7VlJLp3v7XGzw9ZOgeODkjh_50QrZTvinQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > I'm a DVC member since 95 and they haven't sent anything to me in=20 > the mail regarding the ride in addition to a little blurb in the=20 > newsletter/magazine- usually they do- maybe I just missed it. >=20 > ~Kristy~ > They know you haven't been visiting. There's a tracking device in your membership card! (Just kidding) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 18:40:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43870 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 02:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 02:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 02:40:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 02:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 02:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 02:40:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:40:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060122161618.38100.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=U8lfRinYaVkU45kp_Q7OrzflXY8K5xfmzfOOS_xkfTRBuHh_Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: Personally I think they should have made a Disney studios park (take the lessons and initial investment put into MGM) and applied it here. I think that brand and concept would have been strong enough to get more people and they could have pulled some people from Universal.=20=20 >=20 > Adam I think they didn't want to go head-to-head with Universal on two coasts, so they opted to try something different. They might have considered a DisneySea, but it would have been VERY expensive to create a park with that much water so far from the natural coast. The real problem seems to be that they didn't go as all out with the theming, and it shows. ToT should have been there from day one! It was a proven concept. People don't go to Disney for a ferris wheel, even if it's a wonder wheel. They want Pirates, Space Mountain, a castle and all the other saccharine sweet things that come with the Disney name. DCA seems very mish-mash, and it always has to me.=20 Chris B From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 23:57:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61073 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 07:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 07:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 07:57:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 07:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 07:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 07:56:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:56:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.150.140 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=iIAprUOszSoNvCx3C-_b1AosBTU_KJr4OMXCb4H1eb6hV--iUhJl X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > They might have > considered a DisneySea, but it would have been VERY expensive to > create a park with that much water so far from the natural coast. I remember during the 1990s there had been some ideas that they were going to make a DisneySea around the Queen Mary in Long Beach (this was when Disney operated the QM), but eventually they decided to go with just expanding on their property in Anaheim, as it would cost a lot less. Probably not a bad idea, cost-wise.=20 > The real problem seems to be that they didn't go as all out with the > theming, and it shows. ToT should have been there from day one! It=20 > was a proven concept. People don't go to Disney for a ferris wheel,=20 > even if it's a wonder wheel. They want Pirates, Space Mountain, a=20 > castle and all the other saccharine sweet things that come with the=20 > Disney name. DCA seems very mish-mash, and it always has to me.=20 Yeah, the problem with DCA isn't that it's not a fun place --- it is a fun place. The problem is that it doesn't seem to have enough "Disney Magic" to it. The whole Paradise Pier area is everything Disneyland was created to not be, with off-the-shelf, standalone rides made (relatively) on the cheap. Disneyland is all about being absorbed into fantasy environments, but conceptually, even when DCA is working at its best, it's only trying to emulate other things in California. It seems awfully weird to simulate California while you're in California.=20 Again, this is all only in comparison to Disneyland itself. Compare the amount of theming and "Disney Magic" at DCA to, say, SFMM, and California Adventure obviously has it beat hands down. But compare it to the park next door, and, well, the story's different. While I'm at it, can I just add that I think Downtown Disney is really disappointing? It's no CityWalk, and it's probably not even as nice as The Grove. Heck, The Block at Orange has more stores, many of them heavily themed (Ron Jon, Hilo Hattie's, etc.), a bigger movie theatre, and the Vans Skate Park. DD has a big concentration of themed restaurants, but really, that's hardly unique. It's okay, but as an environment, it's just not that impressive. I do like the Grand Californian Hotel. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 04:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50662 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 12:32:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 12:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 12:26:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:26:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.183.180.31 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: Question: Regarding WDW's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=wnObeoskK-HZNtLvjMA2hFREaAiccs7QMnQRSiMwO3wvYlrW X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" > wrote: > > I'm a DVC member since 95 and they haven't sent anything to me=20 in=20 > > the mail regarding the ride in addition to a little blurb in the=20 > > newsletter/magazine- usually they do- maybe I just missed it. > >=20 > > ~Kristy~ > > > They know you haven't been visiting. There's a tracking device in=20 your > membership card! >=20 > (Just kidding) >=20 > Chris B > With Disney? You may actually BE correct- LOL. That's one place I=20 get to each year at least once sometimes twice. They got me hook=20 line and sinker that's for sure. We were there last FEB but skipped=20 AK and stayed at AK Lodge instead (nice but I prefer the DVC resorts- I've been spoiled). Ironically I found it quite incredible that they could manage to put=20 forth this complex ticketing system with finger reads and everything=20 but they couldn't manage to switch over my automative withdrawls for=20 annual dues from one bank to another without TOTALLY messing it up.=20 (Took FOUR months to straighten that fiasco out!) ~Kristy~ Sometimes I feel like a Disney Animatronic! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 08:20:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44566 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 16:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 16:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 16:20:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:19:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:19:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Questions (sort of OT): Southern California X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=x3Aip19rhmiVnNIwPd6VOU3fSQ0wQBZAhvEyTtUC_2KwT1E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 And don't forget there are a few Fun Center about 1 hour east too! Castle in Riverside; Pacific Park in Santa Monica; Pharaoh's Lost=20 Kingdom in the Redlands; and Scandia in Ontario. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > > On 1/21/06, Kristy Milo wrote: > > I may be moving to So. California, Irvine area. If anyone lives or > > have lived in that area could you please give me some info/tips=20 etc... > > What parks are in the area besides Disney? Do you bother to get=20 season > > tixs? The usual :) > > Thanks in advance! > > Kristy >=20 > I'll just send this to the list. It's a bit slow anyways. > SNIP < > -- > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@g... > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 08:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44302 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 16:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 16:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 16:43:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:35:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:35:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601211801.AA745210058@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_sbQM67pTEUo3xREGY6DxdWoIwSUvs8NdFd_QCy25AnTR-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Great Idea (look at DCA's a Bugs Life land). Or, a complete 100 Acre Wood. Look at the relationship between Disney & Hayao Miyazaki (isn't Totoro=20 cute!). Whatever happend to Woody's Round-up? And there are many annimated features that have no representation in=20 the Parks at all (Lady & the Tramp - not that I'd know what to do with=20 it!; The Jungle Book; The Aristocats; Robin Hood; The Rescuers; etc.=20 etc) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" =20 wrote: > SNIP < Why not, for instance, capitalize on their relationship with=20 Pixar (especially now since they may be buying the company) and create=20 a whole Pixar village? > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 08:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55983 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 16:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 16:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 16:55:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:48:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:48:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:48:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Pw7Fr5G3DkT9bwZHTu4R78CrK2_IRWz5ATbnTzcdjqvpvBw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 23, 2006 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl- tourism2306jan23,0,5175040.story?track=3Drss=20 by Jerry W. Jackson and Beth Kassab Orlando, FL -- Magical Midway amusement park on International Drive=20 has a new tower thrill ride known as the StarFlyer. The nearly $2 million attraction stands 256'-tall and lights up after=20 dark. Visitors board the StarFlyer on an 18'-high platform and sit in=20 a chairlike swing. The ride holds up to 18 passengers with 6-single=20 seats and 6-double seats. The chair-seats are attached by chains to=20 the star-shaped center car, which revolves up the tower and causes=20 the seats to fly through the air at 54 mph, reaching heights of more=20 than 230'. The StarFlyer, which offers a panoramic view of Orlando, was designed=20 and constructed by the Austrian company Funtime. The company is also=20 known for the popular Sling Shot, a 2-seat vertical attraction that=20 launches riders out of a "volcano" 365' in the air at more than 100=20 mph. The Sling Shot is also located at the Magical Midway thrill park. Magical Midway features 2 wooden elevated go-kart tracks, a flat=20 track, thrill rides, a collection of classic midway rides and a large=20 state of the art video arcade room. It is located at 7001=20 International Drive, 2 blocks south of Wet 'n Wild. ------- Copyright =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 09:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68336 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 17:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 17:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 17:03:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 16:58:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:58:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Snoopy went home; theme park needs new catch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VLSoJ1UrYN9eah-81sB2hrYKq62Z2U0Str-QU0T5FLKfrqk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 23rd, 2006 The Daily Tribune http://www.hibbingmn.com/dailytribune/index.php? sect_rank=3D4&story_id=3D208018 by Aaroon J. Brown Bloomington, MN -- Let's face it. A theme park without a theme is=20 just an overpriced way to feel like you're at the DMV, only with=20 longer lines and more nausea. Recently, the shopping public learned that "Camp Snoopy" at the Mall=20 of America lost rights to use the Peanuts characters created by the=20 late Minnesota native Charles Schultz. The mall, excuse me, Mall must=20 now remove all Snoopy images from Camp Snoopy and develop a new name=20 for the amusement park. Apparently, officials were hopeful they could renew the license, but=20 Lucy pulled the contract away just as they were about to sign it.=20 Arrrggh! When will they learn? MoA bosses need a new theme that will attract visitors while avoiding=20 anything protected by copyright law. No one loves obscene=20 commercialism more than yours truly, so I thought I'd help. First, the obvious: Camp America. If there's one thing we Americans=20 love it's reminding ourselves that we're Americans. From bumper=20 stickers to shirts with flags on them, Americans love to remind=20 people around them, primarily Americans, that they're currently in=20 America. I don't know what would happen if we all forgot (universal=20 health care?). That's why Camp America would feature lots of stars=20 and stripes, which are free, and fervent nationalism, also free,=20 which bubbles just below the surface of our society ready for a=20 tappin.' Camp Bob Dylan. If the Snoopy people won't play ball, maybe Hibbing's=20 own Bobby Zimmerman will. In recent years, Dylan has lent his name=20 and image to Victoria's Secret and Apple Computers. Next spring he'll=20 host a rock `n' roll show for XM Satellite Radio. Kids might not=20 always relate to "A Hard Rain's A Gonna' Fall," but they only=20 watch "A Charlie Brown Christmas" because mom and dad make them. Camp Existential Crisis. You could name the park, but that doesn't=20 get us any closer to answering the REAL question: Does the park even=20 exist? Camp Existential Crisis would still have rides, but they would=20 mostly just go around and around. Camp Exploit the Emotionally Weary Survivors of a Tragedy To Stanch=20 the Bloodlust of the American Television Viewing Public. Sorry. I=20 just finished watching the news. I don't think this will work. Theme=20 park visitors generally like their exploitation to be more subtle. Camp Twins Stadium. Two problems could be solved at once if officials=20 construct a new Met Stadium on the exact site of the old Met stadium,=20 in the center of MoA. The Twins would have their state-of-the-art=20 ballpark and MoA would get guaranteed customers on game days. Plus,=20 as an added bonus, home run balls would land in the icy vats at=20 Orange Julius and tailgating would feature a lot more cappuccino and=20 shoes. Camp Copyright Challenge. They say when you fall off a horse you=20 should get right back on. MoA could save a few bucks while still=20 profiting from vaguely recognizable images. Kids would be welcomed at=20 the gates by the giant orange cat Gordenfield, who loves hot dish and=20 hates Tuesdays. Then they could ride on the SpongeRob Octagonhosiery=20 roller coaster. Parents could rest on benches shaped like the Middle- aged Malformed Kung-Fu Terrapins. Sure, there'd be some pesky legal=20 challenges, but any place with that many escalators already has=20 lawyers on the payroll. MoA officials say they'll announce a new name for the theme park=20 soon. I remain hopeful they'll use my suggestions. Meantime, don't=20 let the unnamed theme park in the middle of the mall stop you from=20 racking up consumer debt. This is America, after all. ------- =A9 1998-2005 Multi Media Interactive From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 09:14:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30716 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 17:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 17:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 17:14:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:12:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:12:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:12:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:12:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bay Beach poised for more fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3ir0Riv5PMcjQTS5ZHJaa5evTcclz6UHLoPwj0QtMaVbDsY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 23, 2006 Green Bay Press-Gazette http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060123/GPG0101/601230485/1206/GPGnews Roller coaster, actual beach among plans for expansion=20 By Andy Behrendt Green Bay, WI -- Bay Beach Amusement Park is a wonderland for=20 children. But that can change as those kids get bigger. "It doesn't=20 seem as big anymore," said 16-y.o. Val Quigley of Green Bay, who=20 figures she's been to Bay Beach about 30 times as she's grown up. "I=20 like some of the rides =97 there's probably 5 I go on." But BBAP itself is about to get bigger. After eyeing a westward=20 expansion for 85 years, the city of Green Bay later this year is due=20 to begin a master plan that would greatly expand the local landmark=20 and broaden the fun to older kids and adults. It's not to bring the century-old park into a new age, but to bolster=20 the blast from the past. Among the possibilities are a wooden roller=20 coaster and bona fide beach, restoring 2 of the park's earliest=20 offerings. "We really don't want to get into the real high, high-tech=20 that you get anywhere and everywhere," said Mayor Jim Schmitt. "We=20 want to maintain that historic quality that we have out there and the=20 uniqueness." BBAP today is about 45 acres. The roughly 28 acres of land stretching=20 west of Bay Beach to Sauk Avenue have been sought as park space since=20 the city's first master plan in 1921. That was a year after the city=20 acquired the park, which opened in the 1890s as a private resort. The next step came in 1982, when the city officially designated the=20 western property as parkway. Of the more than 30 homes in the area at=20 that time, only a few remain, and all but one parcel is owned by the=20 city. "In a sense, you could almost say we've already initiated the=20 development," said city parks director Bill Landvatter, noting the=20 vacant land has been filled, graded and seeded. The city plans to hire a consultant for a new BBAP master plan later=20 this year. Incorporating input from area residents and tourism=20 officials, the plan would be completed in 2007, with development=20 beginning the same year, Landvatter said. A roller coaster is at the top of the wish list, Landvatter said.=20 Expanded picnic space for corporate events is another priority. The=20 miniature train route would also likely be expanded along the=20 waterfront, and long-term goals include bringing back a beach. "We'd=20 like to see both the kiddie-ride area better defined and expanded and=20 then begin to work toward rides that appeal to teenagers and adults,"=20 Landvatter said. "We want to have the park maintain its family=20 entertainment value." Richard Haslitt, 83, and his friend, Pat Fleming, 78, of Green Bay=20 are a testament to that longstanding entertainment value. The 2, who=20 held hands as they walked along the park's shore Saturday, remember=20 the ice-skating and weekly dances that used to take place at Bay=20 Beach, and both took their children to the park. Haslitt said he first visited BBAP in 1942 =97 still not long enough=20 ago to remember the old roller coasters. But he would like to once=20 again see year-round events and a restored connection with the=20 bay. "You used to be able to see out for miles," said Haslitt,=20 looking at the barrier of vegetation. "The water used to be up to=20 here." Fleming, too, supported the ideas of renewal, as the two still go on=20 rides from time to time. "We like the Ferris wheel," she said. Of course, the expansion and development would depend on funding, and=20 private donations would be key, Landvatter said. The city has a=20 $300,000 head start through a fund formed a few years ago that=20 includes revenue from increased ride costs. BBAP was long known for its 10-cent tickets. Some rides eventually=20 required more than 1 ticket. Ticket prices rose to 20 cents in 2000=20 and to 25 cents in 2003. The rides now cost either 25 cents or 50=20 cents, which Haslitt argued is already too expensive. So will a park expansion mean another hike in ride prices? That's not=20 foreseen for at least a few years, Landvatter said, although=20 operations and development costs will certainly mean future=20 increases. "The city has long committed to making this a very=20 affordable park, and I'm going to assume that it will remain that=20 way," he said. The plan to expand BBAP will also mean improving current offerings.=20 Despite the city's best efforts to keep the well-aged rides in=20 working order, some will have to be replaced. Because of its rarity,=20 the Scat may be scooting to make room for a similar ride, and a=20 bigger and newer Ferris wheel is possible, Landvatter said. Charles Howes, who lives near the park, said the expansion is a=20 terrific idea that would help bring families back to his=20 neighborhood. "I'd rather have the expansion of BBAP than to have=20 condos put there or something like that," Howes said. "That's going=20 to require more police protection and more city services, too, but it=20 would be good to have more police protection in this area anyway." Quigley, who has attended summer Teen Nights at BBAP, said crowding=20 has limited her to only a couple rides in a few hours. The expansion could add more opportunities for teens if the recently=20 problem-prone event returns, but Schmitt said the focus of the=20 upgrade would be on families. "I think from a tourism standpoint that=20 to get the families to stay, to bring the whole family and to stay=20 all day is something we'd like to see =97 where they can enjoy the=20 waterfront, have a place to eat and have rides where a variety of=20 ages can enjoy that," Schmitt said. --------- =A9 2006 Gannett Wisconsin Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 09:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60446 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 17:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 17:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 17:18:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:16:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:16:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 17:16:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:16:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: California Legoland to Add Water X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jH4IyIeFIOeSEQqbAoQNg-7mFZ7KCPbXn0M8QfNGcJdI57A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 20, 2006 Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_re_us/legoland_water_park_1 CARLSBAD, CA -- Legoland California, the amusement park based on the=20 colorful plastic building blocks, plans to open a water slide park=20 this summer, company officials said. The 3-acre attraction and an expansion will also include the premiere=20 of a 4-D movie called "Spellbreaker." The expansion, named Pirate=20 Shores and touted as the largest in Legoland California's 7-year=20 history, is expected to cost about $10 million. The company also wants to build a 5th location sometime in the next 3- 5 years, said Nick Varney, CEO of Merlin Entertainments Group, which=20 owns the 4 Legoland parks. The other 3 parks are located in Denmark, England and Germany. --------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 23 09:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91673 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 17:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 17:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.198) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 17:51:55 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so17012uge for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.232.8 with SMTP id e8mr357360nfh; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:41:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:41:52 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=BZg719YI9UA8Hcc5pWzP2pivTxpk8j3huAx6YbQyCUgHuwEc4t31Su4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > While I'm at it, can I just add that I think Downtown Disney is really > disappointing? It's no CityWalk, and it's probably not even as nice as > The Grove. Heck, The Block at Orange has more stores, many of them > heavily themed (Ron Jon, Hilo Hattie's, etc.), a bigger movie theatre, > and the Vans Skate Park. DD has a big concentration of themed > restaurants, but really, that's hardly unique. It's okay, but as an > environment, it's just not that impressive. Interesting. I haven't been to Downtown Disney or Citywalk West, so I can't specifically comment on those, but I have been to the Downtown Disney and Citywalk in Florida, and I think Disney has the better shopping/restaurant area. The shops at Universal Orlando may be superior to those at Disney, but Citywalk doesn't even come close to Pleasure Island. Unfortunately, I've heard Pleasure Island hasn't been drawing the crowds that Disney wants and may be downsized. I was there a couple weeks ago, though, and it seemed pretty busy to me. Do Universal Hollywood and Disneyland have nightlife areas like the Florida parks, or are Downtown Disney and Citywalk just daytime shopping and eating? -Nate From jzerkel@consolidated.net Mon Jan 23 12:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27416 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 20:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 20:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 20:20:50 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.6.5-GR) with SMTP id GAV37713; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:53:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000c01c6203d$c72e1de0$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:55:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=17/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: I made the holiblog! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=8xetljBCUtBFsFpIrzV-DCV86Gd8_sEQIx0IYRPlSDBNXIpb X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Tooting my own horn again... but I made the holiblog! Check out the link here http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/holiblog.html (Yes, I am the very same Jon who emailed Paula over the weekend.) Am I the only one who noticed a resemblance? In any case, that episode of WKRP was one of the best shows.... ever! Jon Z. (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Jan 23 12:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59667 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.235) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 20:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32764 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2006 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F18WZ-0002jq-Qb for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:42:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EB0CFB0-BEB7-4B43-976A-D100F329367C@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:47:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=4pRhYMaaGINYFdwbu80AOlDDNOZzGDKYDi2pqXVPbtzsh3Q_HTLg X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Great Idea (look at DCA's a Bugs Life land). > Or, a complete 100 Acre Wood. > Look at the relationship between Disney & Hayao Miyazaki (isn't Totoro > cute!). > Whatever happend to Woody's Round-up? > And there are many annimated features that have no representation in > the Parks at all (Lady & the Tramp - not that I'd know what to do with > it!; The Jungle Book; The Aristocats; Robin Hood; The Rescuers; etc. > etc) Jungle Book is sort of represented in the parks... Kaa appears in the DL version of Fantasmic (can't remember about the WDW version). Haha not sure if that counts or not, but it's more than the other movies. > Yeah, the problem with DCA isn't that it's not a fun place --- it is a > fun place. The problem is that it doesn't seem to have enough "Disney > Magic" to it. The whole Paradise Pier area is everything Disneyland > was created to not be, with off-the-shelf, standalone rides made > (relatively) on the cheap. I think too part of the problem is there isn't really a cohesive theme. I still haven't been there, but just from looking at it, thats what I see. If you look at Disneyland, most of the rides fit into the area they are in - Indy fits in with adventureland, space mountain fits in with tomorrowland, peter pan fits into fantasyland, etc. At DCA, they sort of came up with these broad themes that anything can fit into, and it doesn't work well. I'm into writing/directing video, and I run into this problem all the time -- I'll come up with an idea I like for a scene, or something the character can do, but it won't fit into what I'm writing. Sometimes I'll be able to bend the plot a little to accomodate it, but often I just wind up putting it aside into a pile of unused ideas. I can't think of any good examples right now, but I remember one time I wanted to write something where an alien comes down and inhabits a human's body in order to observe the human race (sort of like 3rd Rock, except more drama-ish)... but the script I was writing was a set at a college about this guy trying to get ready for a big test. I was like, ok, I could rewrite the plot to make it work, and it might not be the worst, but I would have to waste all this time developing a plot thats not related to the main story, it'd drown out the other themes I want to incorporate, etc. Sometimes you need to let go of an idea you like for the greater good, instead of just putting the first things that come to your mind together and hope it works out OK. But anyways, I think thats the reason why DCA doesn't work as well as something else could have (like a DisneySea) -- it has these all- encompassing themes that pull it in too many directions, so it doesn't really have a clear direction what its going for, allowing them to drop in whatever they want and still have it satisfy the 'theme'. I'm not saying its a bad park, just not as well thought out as it could have been. It's like comparing a 'best of' SNL to a movie like the Shawshank Redemption. Do people like watching 'SNL: The Best of Adam Sandler'? Sure. But is that anywhere near the level of the Shawshank Redemption? Not even close. Mike From serpmage@juno.com Mon Jan 23 13:23:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1172 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 21:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 21:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 21:23:10 -0000 Received: from webmail27.lax.untd.com (webmail27.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.167]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7LSZJATFSW9S for (sender ); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail27.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFE7UDCT; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:55:12 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail27.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:54:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:54:59 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060123.125512.4326.113839@webmail27.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1960986482 X-MAIL-INFO:38cc55acece9b1ecd5d5e9fcb1fca889e81579b5c5f169218815e8bd25711cec69 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAKRtM8M6nT5go/ynm/xVrF+oqaHB0VeIww== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.167|webmail27.lax.untd.com|webmail27.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Homebuilt Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=X3ijY7iDvWndc-b5BjkF4TA46VYokFABLxJg_nmCTTMJKnD5nA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr There's a set of pics on the group site showing the construction of a playg= round coaster called Elijah's Chariot. Anyone know where that coaster is l= ocated, what kind of wood they used for the track, any details on the car, = the wheel to track interface, lift system, braking system? How much of the= car was homebuilt versus parts from other things pieced together in a clev= er way? Any news on how the construction has withstood the test of time? = Was it planned out on a CAD system or done completely by hand (or completel= y on the fly)? I'm curious about lessons learned for whenever I get around= to wanting to build my own coaster in my backyard. (I'm sure the neighbor= s will love me) ~Tim N. ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! 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From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jan 23 13:38:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56817 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 21:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 21:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 21:38:38 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.233.5a4fed7 (3310) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:28:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <233.5a4fed7.3106a498@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:28:56 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Homebuilt Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=f8Nmfv7gFpov0JlJPFmy4fcGpw9ShzvLAsvAXPT6lWrgwW_51o2- X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow. I remember Elijah's Chariot. It was all over RCT when it was being built. I don't think it ever operated. Anyway, I think it was in Ohio. But I may be wrong! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 23 14:31:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32252 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 22:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 22:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 22:31:04 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so25667ugf for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr383160nfc; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:20:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:20:32 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <233.5a4fed7.3106a498@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <233.5a4fed7.3106a498@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Homebuilt Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=AnuuCdB9juGaQvNZpI_8V3vxYUctzzAIqkkz8xMGJcmRfwizFZTJ5Vs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > There's a set of pics on the group site showing the construction of a pla= yground > coaster called Elijah's Chariot. Anyone know where that coaster = is located, what > kind of wood they used for the track, any details on the= car, the wheel to track > interface, lift system, braking system? You can check out these theads for information: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/8162 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/8045 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/9195?threaded=3D1 Otherwise, you'll want to e-mail Josh. I believe his e-mail address should be visible in those threads I linked to. If not, let me know and I can e-mail you off-list. I know he'd have a lot of information for you. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 14:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77951 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 22:36:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 22:33:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 22:33:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2006 22:33:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:33:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Homebuilt Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=luoeC9JpTBAIUD1M7RWfzYxcKUKa-WAJVqlqt4UYU6laXjM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Also, look through files 7929 - 8210 -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > > There's a set of pics on the group site showing the construction=20 of a playground > coaster called Elijah's Chariot. Anyone know where=20 that coaster is located, what > kind of wood they used for the track,=20 any details on the car, the wheel to track > > interface, lift system, braking system? >=20 > You can check out these theads for information: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/8162 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/8045 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/9195? threaded=3D1 >=20 > Otherwise, you'll want to e-mail Josh. I believe his e-mail address > should be visible in those threads I linked to. If not, let me know > and I can e-mail you off-list. I know he'd have a lot of=20 information > for you. >=20 > -Nate > From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:33:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70415 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 01:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 01:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.204) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 01:33:09 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so756063wxc for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.88.17 with SMTP id l17mr6237776wxb; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:31:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:31:57 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601211801.AA745210058@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=qhSUjaBnG3SQnUIAqm8W2Frcb-Xn5xv-1fvSIEHNqFWVrrJTmMOQ1ok X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > Look at the relationship between Disney & Hayao Miyazaki (isn't Totoro > cute!). Shhhhh!!! (I'm doing that already! Don't tell anyone!). Only problem is it wouldn't work terribly well in the US or France, because the property is virtually unknown, aside from maybe Spirited Away. I don't know about China either, since the only Asian region Disney has the distribution rights for is Japan (not sure why).=20 However, it'd be a huge hit in Japan. Disney would just have to do some more negotiation with Studio Ghibli, but I'm sure it could happen. > Whatever happend to Woody's Round-up? > And there are many annimated features that have no representation in > the Parks at all (Lady & the Tramp - not that I'd know what to do with > it!; The Jungle Book; The Aristocats; Robin Hood; The Rescuers; etc. > etc) > > -Alan And I still think Condor Flats could've used a Rocketeer attraction (ok, The Rocketeer was a live action film, except for Nazi cartoon, but it's the same idea). It fits all the themes of the park perfectly. As in, there probably isn't a better movie by any company, let alone by Disney, that fits the themes of the park better. DCA without the Rocketeer is like building DisneySea but not including 20,000 Leagues or Adventureland without Indy. It's like a big "Duh."=20 Come on. BTW, this is random, but does anyone understand Disney's stance on their compound words for parks and themed areas? I've seen Disneyland, TommorrowLand, and DisneySEA. I'm trying to figure out if they have any kind of uniformity to how they do capitalization for the names of stuff. -- Ryan (I'll tell you more about my project later) Snooks rsnooks@uci.edu From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 17:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61097 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 01:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 01:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 01:46:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 01:44:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:44:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=DdwoZBG0FPSyN3_q27PLM7zk79hYV1ZKyw_lbKb_aRAL9jgn9o5a X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > And I still think Condor Flats could've used a Rocketeer attraction > (ok, The Rocketeer was a live action film, except for Nazi cartoon, > but it's the same idea). It fits all the themes of the park > perfectly.=20 The problem is that the movie wasn't a big hit, and it was a decade=20 old when the park opened. You could say that about Splash Mountain=20 (SONG OF THE SOUTH) and Mr. Toad's Wild Ride (THE WIND IN THE=20 WILLOWS), but those were at least animated. Also, there's the problem of Disney just not thinking through the=20 theming on the park well. Also, somebody earlier said that there wasn't a unifying theme to the=20 park. Actually there is. It's California; the different lands are=20 supposed to represent different things in California: Hollywood, the=20 aerospace industry, natural areas, wineries, California foods,=20 seaside resorts, Fresno (A Bug's Land), etc. So there is a theme.=20 It's just that you're already in California when you visit the park,=20 so what's the point. I mean, say you make an absolutely realistic re- creation of Edwards Air Force Base... it's still just an Air Force=20 base. Or a winery. Or a frickin' farm. That isn't really as exciting=20 for a theme park as, say, "The World of Tomorrow" or Adventureland or=20 Fantasyland, etc. Adam From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jan 23 18:08:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95201 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.298.44bfa2d (48552) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:07:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <298.44bfa2d.3106e5f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:07:45 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=qBfA-lxtJeiv3Q4KY8XnAdgJUm6NCxFCgzXZMRMl5tInpmyF_MkX X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought u might want to know (since i dont see it anywhere on the net as of now) that Rick Mccurley was fired at Gadv over the weekend. He's being replaced by a man named Ron Sevart, who is currently the GM at Sfgam, previously the GM at Sfne, previously Marketing Director at Sfgadv, and previously Marketing Director at Sfne back when it was Riverside. -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jan 23 18:24:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22727 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:24:32 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0O2O5iI022544 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:24:10 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:24:05 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <298.44bfa2d.3106e5f1@aol.com> References: <298.44bfa2d.3106e5f1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:23:59 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 02:24:05.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F818C10:01C6208D] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WhePPME3cNmdcDNNXCW32_Hju9SdileLpRwzVvOlzNXIFxHr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Dainan, > Just thought u might want to know (since i dont see it anywhere on > the net > as of now) that Rick Mccurley was fired at Gadv over the weekend. > He's being > replaced by a man named Ron Sevart, who is currently the GM at Sfgam, Wow .. I thought Sevart just came from Great Adventure a few years ago?! Any word on who's going to replace him? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jan 23 18:27:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51594 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:27:24 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.231.5aaf910 (48552) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:26:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <231.5aaf910.3106ea73@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:26:59 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=lui5A8jQvlndTIg7mnQOopKA3mx74VgSUkS4LabJBeF2S8RiE1J6 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/2006 9:25:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > Just thought u might want to know (since i dont see it anywhere on > the net > as of now) that Rick Mccurley was fired at Gadv over the weekend. > He's being > replaced by a man named Ron Sevart, who is currently the GM at Sfgam, Wow .. I thought Sevart just came from Great Adventure a few years ago?! Any word on who's going to replace him? Ron Sevart I believe. Wow. Three posts in one day. First time In a year or two. I missed you guys! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jan 23 18:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82566 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:32:34 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0O2V9jT022771 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:14 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <231.5aaf910.3106ea73@aol.com> References: <231.5aaf910.3106ea73@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25CE5354-2080-4DC0-AD2B-FDBC812AF0E7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:31:07 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 02:31:09.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C15E2F0:01C6208E] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=k_CY9mTwClIncFTjSb8xDsO4gMbk3dMIUIn8_cDzgqEpRQxL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Danian, >>> Just thought u might want to know (since i dont see it anywhere on >>> the net as of now) that Rick Mccurley was fired at Gadv over the >>> weekend. >>> He's being replaced by a man named Ron Sevart, who is currently >>> the GM at Sfgam, >> >> Wow .. I thought Sevart just came from Great Adventure a few >> years ago?! >> >> Any word on who's going to replace him? > > Ron Sevart I believe. Wow. Three posts in one day. First time In a > year or > two. I missed you guys! Nono .. I mean do you know who might replace Sevart at Six Flags Great America? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jan 23 18:41:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14609 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.289.488a1cc (48552) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <289.488a1cc.3106ec0c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:33:48 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=hbHUGRidgjWvVnQS-Ry63JvsF60CZ30e1WqVURYMtTpiqSdXJPev X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/2006 9:33:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: Hi Danian, >>> Just thought u might want to know (since i dont see it anywhere on >>> the net as of now) that Rick Mccurley was fired at Gadv over the >>> weekend. >>> He's being replaced by a man named Ron Sevart, who is currently >>> the GM at Sfgam, >> >> Wow .. I thought Sevart just came from Great Adventure a few >> years ago?! >> >> Any word on who's going to replace him? > > Ron Sevart I believe. Wow. Three posts in one day. First time In a > year or > two. I missed you guys! Nono .. I mean do you know who might replace Sevart at Six Flags Great America? Cameron. I have NO clue! Sorry -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 23 22:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91179 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 06:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 06:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 06:31:07 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y2so194161uge for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.39.20 with SMTP id r20mr411127nfj; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:31:07 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <298.44bfa2d.3106e5f1@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rick Mccurley fired from Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=NfukoPJOISWSiTxz8YRwMo3nOp5JdkeB4WeFXN8N9X1-BHhO2poAwKo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Wow .. I thought Sevart just came from Great Adventure a few years ago?! Actually, Sevart came to SFGAm just last year. This new GM will be SFGAm's fourth GM in as many years. This was one of the big problems with the old Six Flags management team, IMO (rapidly changing GM's) and I'm disappointed this seems to be continuing. On the other hand, this could be an isolated incident. I just hope for the best for SFGAm. -Nate From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 05:52:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77842 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 13:52:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 13:49:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 13:49:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 13:49:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:49:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Phoenix flies at new China theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=GvK2cdJqjsTraCQF_PWx-_Madh8URwqdScjTrzruFuf_FEXDhqGaEJg X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > >=20 > LONDON, UK -- A Chinese regional government organization is putting=20 > the finishing touches on a new theme park called Phoenix Mountain's=20 > Happy Park in the port city of Ningbo, south of Shanghai. >=20 Heh - you can always trust the chinese to get the word "happy" in their=20 names.... From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 06:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36823 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 14:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 14:37:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 14:35:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 14:35:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=vjhJcRGCV1-hX-_yLajkK505_xB82AZCGAhEtWTJhjXJGmZQW7aT2hM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > >=20 > Orlando, FL -- Magical Midway amusement park on International Drive=20 > has a new tower thrill ride known as the StarFlyer. >=20 > Magical Midway features 2 wooden elevated go-kart tracks, a flat=20 > track, thrill rides, a collection of classic midway rides and a large=20 > state of the art video arcade room. It is located at 7001=20 > International Drive, 2 blocks south of Wet 'n Wild. > ------- > Copyright =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel > oh no - another one to visit on my holiday - AND it's practically next=20 to my hotel. But isn't their website rubbish?=20=20=20 http://www.magicalmidway.com/default.htm From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 07:53:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52261 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 15:53:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 15:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 15:49:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 15:49:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:49:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=B_tKsGJln-HCjY8A41Y38-pGZM6Se3bv3xEmT-XzEf2IsfI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks =20 wrote: > > Look at the relationship between Disney & Hayao Miyazaki (isn't=20 Totoro > > cute!). > Only problem is it wouldn't work terribly well in the US or France, > because the property is virtually unknown, aside from maybe Spirited > Away. I don't know about China either, since the only Asian region > Disney has the distribution rights for is Japan (not sure why).=20 > However, it'd be a huge hit in Japan. Disney would just have to do > some more negotiation with Studio Ghibli, but I'm sure it could > happen. Then, I think Tokyo Disney should look at something like that. That=20 would give them ANOTHER THING differnt from the other Parks. >SNIP>=20 > And I still think Condor Flats could've used a Rocketeer attraction >SNIP< I know I haven't gotten to Andy's responce on this yet, but... I believe Soarin' uses the Rocketeer music in the queue. And I agree with you. > SNIP> -- > Ryan (I'll tell you more about my project later) Snooks You big tease! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 07:56:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3621 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 15:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 15:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 15:56:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 15:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 15:54:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:54:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tmXoPRhPJXPAlBrKstAOLtEi_2dKSTJ3dBt0SpqjplbgDY0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > > SNIP<=20 > Also, somebody earlier said that there wasn't a unifying theme to the=20 > park. Actually there is. It's California; the different lands are=20 > supposed to represent different things in California: Hollywood, the=20 > aerospace industry, natural areas, wineries, California foods,=20 > seaside resorts, Fresno (A Bug's Land), etc. So there is a theme.=20 > It's just that you're already in California when you visit the park,=20 > so what's the point.=20 Of course, they could "double" the theme. I believe they own enough=20 property (movie-wise) for the theme to be a California Movies. With=20 Condor Flats/Rocketeer as a very good example. -Alan (Who's just thinking out loud) From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 24 09:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91260 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 17:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 17:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 17:33:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:29:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:29:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:29:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=NJUhFlTp3T7Sucw3FjNNRZhVyXb41lrxsxDJ-AmeL5Q6DL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > Also, somebody earlier said that there wasn't a unifying theme to the=20 > park. Actually there is. It's California; the different lands are=20 > supposed to represent different things in California: Hollywood, the=20 > aerospace industry, natural areas, wineries, California foods,=20 > seaside resorts, Fresno (A Bug's Land), etc. So there is a theme.=20 > It's just that you're already in California when you visit the park,=20 > so what's the point. I mean, say you make an absolutely realistic re- > creation of Edwards Air Force Base... it's still just an Air Force=20 > base. Or a winery. Or a frickin' farm. That isn't really as exciting=20 > for a theme park as, say, "The World of Tomorrow" or Adventureland or=20 > Fantasyland, etc. For all my support for DCA, and my love for the park, I gotta give you points on that one. Especially the last line about it just being a winery, farm, etc. Hollywood, Condor Flats, and Paradise Pier I think are all fine. I like all of them, and all of them can be developed easily enough. But it did make me think that I do pretty much just walk through certain areas of the park without paying them much attention- such as the farm area. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 24 09:35:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70145 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:34:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:34:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:34:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=42TGnUkN58hxXxBbQZogp64nLQc0akXDDkl2Hdyi54w_p20 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Orlando, FL -- Magical Midway amusement park on International Drive=20 > > has a new tower thrill ride known as the StarFlyer. > >=20 > > Magical Midway features 2 wooden elevated go-kart tracks, a flat=20 > > track, thrill rides, a collection of classic midway rides and a large=20 > > state of the art video arcade room. It is located at 7001=20 > > International Drive, 2 blocks south of Wet 'n Wild. > oh no - another one to visit on my holiday - AND it's practically next=20 > to my hotel. >=20 > But isn't their website rubbish?=20=20=20 > http://www.magicalmidway.com/default.htm > hehe, it's not the only thing rubbish about that area. International Drive, where Magical Midway is, is a major tourist trap, with all sorts of "souvenier" shops and ticket booths to be avoided like the plague. And of course the requisite multiple mini-golf courses and ohter things around. Maybe at some point I'll actually get over to it and Funspot and try them out. I am itching to ride the starflyer now that it's open. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 09:59:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58666 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 17:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 17:59:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 17:56:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:56:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Zgo4ohfvr6LczIwg8thd8MZl67T58Ch_VSPWmejCqv1bcmY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2006 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/film_nm/media_pixar_disney_dc_13 By Gina Keating Burbank, CA -- The board of Walt Disney Co. has authorized CEO Robert=20 Iger to make an offer to buy Pixar Animation Studios Inc., and that=20 is expected by Tuesday, a source familiar with the matter said late=20 on Monday. Pixar's board is expected to consider the offer on Tuesday as well,=20 said the source, who did not disclose financial terms. The Pixar board was expected to confer by telephone, the source said. In the event a decision is reached, an announcement by Disney would=20 be expected after the market closes, the source said. Pixar shares closed at $58.27 on Monday on Nasdaq, putting its market=20 value at just under $7 billion. The shares have risen about 12% in=20 the last month, partly on speculation that Disney would buy the=20 computer animation company that created such hits as "Toy=20 Story," "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles." Shares of Disney were up nearly 2%, or 48 cents, at $26.01 in morning=20 trade on the New York Stock Exchange. Pixar shares were down 8 cents=20 at $58.19 on Nasdaq. The Wall Street Journal has reported that Disney is considering an=20 all-stock offer, which would make Pixar CEO Steve Jobs the company's=20 largest individual shareholder. The Journal reported late on Monday that the offer under=20 consideration would give Jobs, who has a controlling stake in Pixar,=20 a seat on the Disney board. Disney, for decades the world leader in hand-drawn animated films=20 such as "Pinocchio" and "Lion King," has struggled in recent years to=20 maintain its position in an industry that has embraced computer- generated films. Although Disney has not produced a blockbuster animated film on its=20 own in years, the 6 films Pixar and Disney made since the 1995=20 release of "Toy Story" have grossed more than $3.2 billion. Jobs had feuded publicly with Iger's predecessor, Michael Eisner, and=20 broke off negotiations for a new distribution agreement with Disney=20 about 2 years ago. Iger, who succeeded Eisner as Disney's CEO in October, made a=20 priority of smoothing over relations with Jobs and was in the midst=20 of renegotiating the distribution pact, which expires in June with=20 the release of "Cars," when takeover rumors surfaced. Jobs, who is also CEO of Apple Computer Inc., has already led a=20 revolution in digital delivery of content by providing legal=20 downloads of music through Apple's iTunes Music Store and by striking=20 a deal with Iger and Disney to offer video downloads of ABC=20 television shows. A deal that would give Jobs a Disney board seat could also put him in=20 a position to lead Hollywood's move onto the Web. The Disney board may also approve a buyer for the company's ABC Radio=20 assets, worth an estimated $2.6 billion to $2.9 billion, from among=20 several bidders. Sources familiar with the radio transaction said on Friday that=20 Disney was within a week or two of deciding on a buyer. -------- =A9 2006 Reuters Limited =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 10:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95316 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:04:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:04:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:04:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:04:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Gambles On $100 Million Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NHnlg52zVF97xgaETzcKhWM4CifAiCg2ljp5VWoAxOrs0rA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2006 WKMG Local 6 Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20060124/lo_wkmg/3212991=20 Orlando, FL -- Disney officials are hoping a $100 million roller=20 coaster thrill ride through the Himalayan Mountains opening to some=20 riders this week will boost attendance numbers at the Animal Kingdom=20 theme park, according to a Local 6 News report. The $100-million roller coaster called Expedition Everest sends=20 riders on a 4-minute adventure through the Himalayan Mountains in=20 search of the Abominable Snowman. The ride reaches speeds of 50mph=20 and features an 80'-drop. Disney flew creators of Expedition Everest to Nepal in an effort to=20 make the ride as authentic as possible. "Imagineers actually went=20 over to Nepal and the Himalayan Mountains and did a lot of back story=20 research," AK spokesman Richard Gregorie said. "They went and spent=20 months and months there understanding the culture and the people and=20 the legend of the Yeti. They just learned everything they could and=20 brought it here to Disney's AK." The last major new rollercoaster added to a Central Florida theme=20 park was in 2000 when SeaWorld Orlando added the Kraken=20 rollercoaster. The ride helped SW boost attendance totals by 11%. Also, in 2003, the Disney Epcot ride Mission: Space helped turn=20 around the park's falling attendance. AK hopes to recover from a steep drop in attendance that has plagued=20 the park during the last few years. However, according to a report published by Amusement Business=20 magazine, AK's attendance totals of more than 8 million last year=20 were far ahead of non-Disney theme parks in North America. "This is=20 going to be that final piece that takes us to the next level,"=20 Gregorie said. "Again, we have a lot of great attractions here=20 already but with this with as kind of our signature attraction, it=20 will do Disney's AK almost what Tower of Terror did for MGM Studios." The ride opens to annual and season-pass holders late this weekend=20 and to other guests next month. Disney's AK theme park opened in 1998. ------ =A9 2006 WKMG MyCFNow.com =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 10:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69076 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:11:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:09:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:09:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: County Weighs In On Western Playland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xoNOiw2jHA__FQbp6BCQwyWbTvwfyIsWyw3SjJUzfctoDxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 23, 2006 KFOX-TV http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/6383617/detail.html?rss=3Delp&psp=3Dnews El Paso, TX -- Western Playland's future at Ascarate Park remains a=20 question. El Paso County commissioners met in executive session Monday to=20 discuss what will happen to the old Ascarate location. The owner, Pat Thompson, is building a new, bigger amusement park in=20 Sunland Park. But some county leaders believe he's not honoring the terms of his=20 lease agreement with the county at Ascarate to keep his amusement=20 park operating there for several more years. "I think Pat wants a=20 divorce. And like any divorce it can get nasty, but it doesn't have=20 to. This is just an understanding of what it is we're going to do,"=20 said El Paso County Commissioner Dan Haggerty. Commissioners took no action today after meeting behind closed doors. -------- Copyright 2006 by KFOXTV.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 10:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76837 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:15:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:13:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:13:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Clears Air, Moves Smokers To Designated Areas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=27xLFnZRDs01xhmRHNFA6WuRkPU_F1KTvkiHI-urTmcXe40 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 20, 2006 NBC 5i.com http://www.nbc5i.com/family/6274939/detail.html?rss=3Ddfw&psp=3Dnews ARLINGTON, TX -- The atmosphere around Arlington's Six Flags amusement=20 park is clearing up. In an effort to make the park more family-friendly, officials with the=20 45-y.o. park are only allowing smoking in designated areas. In the past, people were only prohibited from smoking in line, in=20 children's areas and while on rides. The new plan will now only allow=20 smoking to take place in certain areas of the park. Six Flags said the policy will be in effect when the park opens this=20 spring. ---------- Copyright 2006 by nbc5i.com From dougjnelson@comcast.net Tue Jan 24 10:17:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64752 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:17:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:17:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:17:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.115.176.7 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: spin and spews as art X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=190962486; y=nfP_Qe0fOfVvGTX7y-WCviwSPNqwmZunXEgroVlu6ko1pUOYKKzf-eLAeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 dont know if any of my fellow new englanders saw this in sunday's=20 globe, but; http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2006/01/22/ghosts_at_the _carnival/ can also see info here, the second one from the top; http://www.massmoca.org/visual_arts/visual_arts.html From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 10:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38189 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.197) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:25:37 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1303160wri for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr2547015qbb; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.122.1 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:22:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601241022l14f4cb28n5c1d8a3e69501448@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:22:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: County Weighs In On Western Playland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=c0wo7GJ4gjDdE_sWbnvWw--fIBiA_GYMGeRwpJeJ6GHGgJ3X X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons This has been an interesting one to follow... Everything I've read says that he intends to honor his agreement in the most minimal way possible until it's up, then move the last few attractions to the new park. I find it funny that El Paso seems to be sounding like they're just now getting the information that the park is moving, even though he has made it known for at least a year. *rolleyes* On 1/24/06, Alan wrote: > January 23, 2006 > KFOX-TV > http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/6383617/detail.html?rss=3Delp&psp=3Dnews > > > El Paso, TX -- Western Playland's future at Ascarate Park remains a > question. > > El Paso County commissioners met in executive session Monday to > discuss what will happen to the old Ascarate location. > > The owner, Pat Thompson, is building a new, bigger amusement park in > Sunland Park. > > But some county leaders believe he's not honoring the terms of his > lease agreement with the county at Ascarate to keep his amusement > park operating there for several more years. "I think Pat wants a > divorce. And like any divorce it can get nasty, but it doesn't have > to. This is just an understanding of what it is we're going to do," > said El Paso County Commissioner Dan Haggerty. > > Commissioners took no action today after meeting behind closed doors. > -------- > Copyright 2006 by KFOXTV.com > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 10:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27025 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:28:21 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so44103ugf for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.219.2 with SMTP id r2mr179848nfg; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:28:19 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=2gP_3JuQy3uiqakChDnoPRTl3uSoRzwoyOxKQEAp4Mlo-aVO26B1In0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > hehe, it's not the only thing rubbish about that area. International > Drive, where Magical Midway is, is a major tourist trap, with all > sorts of "souvenier" shops and ticket booths to be avoided like the > plague. I-Drive gets tackier every time I visit. Last month I learned they cell bottles of Boone's Farm for $9.99 in the liquor stores there.=20 Now that's classy. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jan 24 10:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65421 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-24.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.19) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17399 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2006 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F1T5B-0005wd-9w for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:39:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:44:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=DEnrrkeh8PLBdlC1AsSvPSbIkDvA-17jGHMSfWhv6M0EgRvNLpuR X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Burbank, CA -- The board of Walt Disney Co. has authorized CEO Robert > Iger to make an offer to buy Pixar Animation Studios Inc., and that > is expected by Tuesday, a source familiar with the matter said late > on Monday. > > Pixar's board is expected to consider the offer on Tuesday as well, > said the source, who did not disclose financial terms. I've read that if the deal goes through, Lasseter be put as the head of Disney animation. If that happens, I would be "really* surprised if he didn't bring back cell animation... Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 24 10:55:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35080 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 18:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 18:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 18:55:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:53:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 18:53:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:53:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=XC3g2g_IVtHz3MTorfbbszXRPkHd5SI9j1s1s75QTzXJsz0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > I've read that if the deal goes through, Lasseter be put as the head=20=20 > of Disney animation. If that happens, I would be "really* surprised=20=20 > if he didn't bring back cell animation... I don't know. I'm staring to actually wonder/ think that Disney may have been right on closing down the cell animation, as sad as it is to lose the tradition. But has there been a notable decline in the quality of the animation? Storylines is another story altogether.=20 But the animation itself has been very good, and not anything that I've heard any complaints about. Has there been a cell-animated movie even made recently, and/or one that was even a moderate hit? Both Shreks and Madagascar were completely computer animated. So has all of the Disney animated features lately. Maybe the claymation movies, but even that's not really cell animation. keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 24 11:53:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28005 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 19:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 19:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 19:53:07 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0OJq1HU026961 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:52:01 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:52:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36F8734F-41A1-40F1-AE9A-6CFFF79998F2@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:51:59 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 19:52:01.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[A490BE90:01C6211F] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YO2Iw-Q1w0YU6UAZuKQQ7-44LxKeYOY2FaNJwZ8Tpy0gzCSM X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > But has there been a notable decline in the quality of the animation? I don't know if it's really a matter of which is better (at least, not in my mind). Call animation has a very different look and feel, and there's really no reason why it can't exist along side computer generated. But, like you said, it really all just comes down to story .. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A piano?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 11:54:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9806 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 19:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 19:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 19:54:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 19:46:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 19:46:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:46:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=WdX74au1MahU1IjoIzic6upBbLq-YAl-Nsc4kSbStAPxhSFdX_7K X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > Has there been a cell-animated movie even made recently, and/or one > that was even a moderate hit? Lilo and Stitch was the last cel-animation movie to be a moderate-to- big hit (it made $145 million in North America). Hayao Miyazaki's=20 movies (Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, Princess Mononoke) are=20 all artistic triumphs, but aren't big box office hits in North=20 America, though I'm under the impression that they do steady business=20 on DVD. The Spongebob movie in 2004 made $85 million, though TV adaptations=20 are kind of a different story. The thinking in Burbank is that computer animation =3D hit, traditional=20 animation =3D dud. It may have worked out that way, but I think that's=20 a simplistic view of things. The Pixar movies have all been hits=20 because they've been great movies that have connected with the=20 public. I'm not as enamored with the Shrek movies, but obviously=20 those characters and that style of humor has connected with the=20 public. I haven't seen the likes of Brother Bear, Home on the Range, Treasure=20 Planet, etc., but I don't think the fact that they were hand-drawn=20 was the reason they fizzled at the box office. The stories and=20 characters didn't look particularly appealing to me and apparently=20 the public felt the same. It could just be that the writers and=20 animators with the ideas, the youth, and the magic touch are (in the=20 USA) the ones working with computers and the traditional animation is=20 run by an old guard with sleepier ideas and more experience in=20 television than making hit movies. So because the computer animation=20 is where the action's at, that's what attracts the top writers and=20 animators (and the promotion and support of the studios), and the=20 whole thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Computer animation is essentially the norm now and doesn't have any=20 intrinsic novelty factor anymore. Valiant was a flop, and I think=20 Chicken Little's $133 million take is probably considered a=20 disappointment considering how much they hyped it (i.e., how much=20 money they spent on advertising). If somebody like John Lasseter were=20 to create high-quality traditional animated features that had broad=20 appeal, I'm sure they could be hits, too. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jan 24 12:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72375 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-12.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20874 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2006 20:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 20:53:05 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F1VA1-0007Ri-O2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:53:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:57:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=SU39JQ_LXrZpZSfy5l5m4zatnQycbNWVjjky6xbnl4-f2paDscUD X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> I've read that if the deal goes through, Lasseter be put as the head >> of Disney animation. If that happens, I would be "really* surprised >> if he didn't bring back cell animation... > > I don't know. I'm staring to actually wonder/ think that Disney may > have been right on closing down the cell animation, as sad as it is to > lose the tradition. But has there been a notable decline in the > quality of the animation? This has already been said, but just because something is computer generated doesn't mean that it will be a hit. Someone will come out with a great cell animated movie that makes 500 million, and then all the studios will want to do that -- they follow trends, look at all the superhero movies that are coming out now after the success of Spiderman, theres a new one opening every week. I mean, if the Jungle Book had been done in CGI, would it have been any better? The reason I was saying that Lasseter would bring back cell animation is because... 1) Lasseter started out as a traditional animator. 2) He is friends with Brad Bird, the writer/director of the Incredibles, who loves cell animation (he originally wanted to make the Incredibles in cell animation, the deco-style artwork througout the credits is what it would've looked like). 3) Pixar developed CAPS, the post-production software program that Disney used on all of their cell animated films from The Rescuers Down Under on (they used it a little bit on the Little Mermaid also). It had a lot of cool shading utilities which added a lot of depth (you can see it really good on the Lions in The Lion King), so the picture was a lot less flat then the older movies. But I would bet that if that happens, Lasseter will bring in Brad Bird to write and direct another film, this time cell animated, and then Lasseter will do his thing with CGI. Steve Jobs I doubt would do much on the Disney board if he was elected. Maybe marketing, or trying to make the Disney Stores get more sales, but thats about it. From what I've heard, he isn't very involved with Pixar, his main focus is Apple. So I doubt the parks would be influenced much by the decision, but I'm not sure how much say the board has with the parks anyways. That is, of course, if Pixar accepts the offer... Mike From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 13:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16746 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 21:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 21:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 21:50:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2006 21:49:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:49:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=4aJJNgABeRDDeQITz1sIeqDYT_tpd0pQDRB6IACuMiLJW3IywpZt X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Or is there an even cheaper way to get into SRM... Uh... I mean HWN? I guess I gotta join one of these groups to get my membership and be=20 able to bring Janice as a guest. Is anyone a member of one or the=20 other? Which would be better to join as a resident of Cleveland, OH?=20=20 (more local events) AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 13:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85181 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 21:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 21:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 21:58:05 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so38258wra for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr5244993qbn; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.122.1 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:57:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:57:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=T8gK6euKM64irTn10IXto9UsJDCvBqZjJUT1RIjtzUIlVmvA X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons You know people, why join anything? On 1/24/06, Brian Farral wrote: > Or is there an even cheaper way to get into SRM... Uh... I mean HWN? > > I guess I gotta join one of these groups to get my membership and be > able to bring Janice as a guest. Is anyone a member of one or the > other? Which would be better to join as a resident of Cleveland, OH? > (more local events) > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jan 24 14:07:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46407 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 22:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 22:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-13.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 22:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 9482 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2006 22:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 22:03:19 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F1WFz-0006az-6h for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:03:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B8E62FE-0C2A-4059-BA2B-10205BF8815B@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:08:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: Mike Subject: News: It's official, Disney buys Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=5Qlp0TsnVhd4IOzFgKx4NQztNmX6Isw7ivqUyqWi-5KMSHtuFFIB X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Hot off the wire... I like the part "And John Lasseter, the widely respected creative director at Pixar who had previously worked for Disney, will rejoin the House of Mouse as chief creative officer for the company's combined animated studios and will also help oversee the design for new attractions at Disney theme parks." Lasseter helping to oversee new attractions??? Freakin sweet! The link... http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news/companies/disney_pixar_deal/ index.htm?cnn=yes The article... Disney buys Pixar House of Mouse is teaming up with Pixar in a $7.4 billion deal. Steve Jobs to become board member at Disney. NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Walt Disney has announced that it is buying Pixar, the animated studio led by Apple head Steve Jobs, in a deal worth $7.4 billion. Speculation about a deal being imminent raged on Wall Street for the past few weeks. Disney has released all of Pixar's films so far, but the companies' current distribution deal was set to expire following the release of this summer's "Cars." Steve Jobs, the CEO of Apple and Pixar, will become a board member of Disney following the closing of Disney's purchase of Pixar. "Disney and Pixar can now collaborate without the barriers that come from two different companies with two different sets of shareholders," said Jobs. "Now, everyone can focus on what is most important, creating innovative stories, characters and films that delight millions of people around the world." As part of the deal, Jobs will become a board member of Disney, the companies said. And John Lasseter, the widely respected creative director at Pixar who had previously worked for Disney, will rejoin the House of Mouse as chief creative officer for the company's combined animated studios and will also help oversee the design for new attractions at Disney theme parks. "The addition of Pixar significantly enhances Disney animation, which is a critical creative engine for driving growth across our businesses," said Disney CEO Robert Iger in a written statement. According to the terms of the deal, Disney (Research) will issue 2.3 shares for each Pixar share. Based on Tuesday's closing prices, that values Pixar at $59.78 a share, about a 4 percent premium to Pixar's current stock price. Shares of Pixar (Research) fell slightly in regular trading on the Nasdaq Tuesday but the stock has surged more than 10 percent so far this year on takeover speculation. Disney's stock gained 1.8 percent in regular trading on the New York Stock Exchange but slipped about 0.5 percent after-hours. Prior to the deal's announcement,.some Wall Street observers had speculated that Disney may be paying too much for Pixar. But one hedge fund manager said that the risk of Disney losing Pixar was too great. "The question isn't did Disney pay too much but how expensive would it have been for Disney if Pixar fell into someone else's hands," said Barry Ritholtz, chief investment officer with Ritholtz Capital Partners, a hedge fund that focuses on media and technology stocks. Pixar has yet to have a flop with its six animated movies, which include "Toy Story," "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles." Disney, however, has struggled in the computer-generated animated movie arena. Even though its most recent CG-animated film, "Chicken Little" performed better than many had expected at the box office, it was not as big a hit as any of the Pixar films. -------------------------------------- Mike From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 14:25:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70375 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 22:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 22:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 22:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 64749 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 22:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060124222515.64747.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:25:15 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:25:15 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=kz8pH8ks6hYzsHPFMQuT4gGAvTILT5H9bru104E2crQWsHKf X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > Whatever happend to Woody's Round-up? > And there are many annimated features that have no > representation in > the Parks at all (Lady & the Tramp - not that I'd > know what to do with > it!; The Jungle Book; The Aristocats; Robin Hood; > The Rescuers; etc. > etc) Well at the Magic Kingdom @ WDW they have "Tonys Town Square" restaurant which is themed to Lady and the Tramp. Funny aside, Lady "T" and I had lunch there on our honeymoon and the waitress serenaded us (and gave us a free desert!). Dont know why they dont have a "Tonys" @ DL. lata, jeremy (is this really my first post on RCT of the new year?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 14:35:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23628 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 22:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 22:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 22:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 93687 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 22:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060124222746.93685.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:27:46 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:27:46 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=RE6ievnT9BUoLImjP0FVZaJxnEwHqvwNhcIncbQWN_lag4Q1 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > I-Drive gets tackier every time I visit. Last month > I learned they > cell bottles of Boone's Farm for $9.99 in the liquor > stores there. > Now that's classy. Klassy with a "K" (just for you Nate ;)) BTW: isnt 10 bucks rather expensive for Boone's Farm? I remember it being five bucks when I was in college (not *that* long ago). Also, there was a place just off campus where you could get three bottles of Andre's Champagne for 10 bucks. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 14:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14236 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2006 22:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2006 22:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2006 22:57:04 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so960719wxc for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.41.4 with SMTP id o4mr42527wxo; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.46.20 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:54:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:54:02 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9B8E62FE-0C2A-4059-BA2B-10205BF8815B@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9B8E62FE-0C2A-4059-BA2B-10205BF8815B@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: It's official, Disney buys Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=uVYTz5IeE4dl91cTy3lQ_sKydmQyFotoHaXyjAlE8bnnbBpA9vc9K0g X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 1/24/06, Mike wrote: > Hot off the wire... I like the part "And John Lasseter, the widely > respected creative director at Pixar who had previously worked for > Disney, will rejoin the House of Mouse as chief creative officer for > the company's combined animated studios and will also help oversee > the design for new attractions at Disney theme parks." > > Lasseter helping to oversee new attractions??? Freakin sweet! This ties into one of the other threads, but I felt that I should mention that John Lasseter is also the guy who always does the introductions for Disney releases of Studio Ghibli films, in which he goes on and on about how much he loves their films. Hmmm... Anyways, this is pretty good news. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jan 24 18:08:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76914 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:08:44 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so234791ugc for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr13549nfg; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:08:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:08:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060124222746.93685.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060124222746.93685.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: StarFlyer takes riders for a twirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=omX_59xvrNuGHYUKET9pa8KFPniIH0YV1HNHLw-IngOS6SayjZ2ZTNg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > BTW: isnt 10 bucks rather expensive for Boone's Farm? > I remember it being five bucks when I was in college > (not *that* long ago). YES, $10 is insane! You can buy Boone's Farm here for $3/bottle! Not that I, uh, ever drink that stuff... ;-) -Nate (who notes that they also sell six packs of Coors for $9.69) From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 01:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90193 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 09:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 09:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 09:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 94171 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 22:29:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060124222930.94169.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:29:30 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:29:30 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=6c1Ir910uPZs6HLni7zKHUEWdeT6r-5q5Q4yDw9-nlRxg5QO X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George > Burnash" > wrote: > > > Has there been a cell-animated movie even made > recently, and/or one > > that was even a moderate hit? > > Lilo and Stitch was the last cel-animation movie to > be a moderate-to- > big hit (it made $145 million in North America). > Hayao Miyazaki's > movies (Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, > Princess Mononoke) are > all artistic triumphs, but aren't big box office > hits in North > America, though I'm under the impression that they > do steady business > on DVD. What about the Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh movies? I'm pretty sure they were cels, but I dont known how much money they made (but everyone loves Pikachu!) lata, jeremy (posting almost as much as Alan today) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MrStratosphere@aol.com Wed Jan 25 08:10:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51047 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 16:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 16:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 16:10:34 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.200.10fcfa4d (17526) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:10:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200.10fcfa4d.3108fcdc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:10:04 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=bJWSQrqszALR1BHrbiMcFN_nboIE7LUfx868Az1h5NG5lGK5YDnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone just something i noticed on my way to work yesterday... Speed: The Ride at the Sahara in Las Vegas valleyed yesterday. The ride was slowed down too much and did not make it backwards through the loop. The one thing i noticed is that they did not unload the passengers, instead they used the Lim's to accelerate the train back and fourth until the train finally make it back into the station. Just thought that would be a bit of news to share. John Why stop at the edge... ...When you can go over!? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jan 25 08:20:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87304 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0PGK7l5014739 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:20:10 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:20:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200.10fcfa4d.3108fcdc@aol.com> References: <200.10fcfa4d.3108fcdc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <315C6C16-688D-4CFC-A66F-03676868752F@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:20:07 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 16:20:09.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[35CEF0B0:01C621CB] X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hddylR5LuNwPBRB1D-AAqteATQTEkYex_fR16lGZD9u8iu3h X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > The one thing i noticed is that they did not unload the passengers, > instead > they used the Lim's to accelerate the train back and fourth until > the train > finally make it back into the station. Hah .. that actually sounds kind of fun! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 08:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 16:53:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 16:51:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:51:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060124222930.94169.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=4b6DNwO4g1fmCh0EvbPQ8EYyc7sSGBiSXgla4ejNsXwaBQ2hUHzt X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > What about the Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh movies? I'm > pretty sure they were cels, but I dont known how much > money they made (but everyone loves Pikachu!) According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, which has movies ranked by a zillion=20 categories but, oddly enough, not just plain old "animated," has its=20 rankings for Animated TV adaptations here: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=3Dbasedonanimatedtv.htm Pokemon: The First Movie made $85.7 million in 1999. Pokemon: The Movie 2000 made $43.8 million in (you guessed it) 2000. Pokemon 3 made made $17.0 million in 2001. Pokemon 4 made $1.7 million in 2002. Pokemon Heroes made $0.7 million in 2003. Man, talk about diminishing returns. The first three, at least, still=20 probably made money for their U.S. distributor. They list Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie at $19.7 million and Digimon: The Movie=20 at $9.6 million. Incidentally, this morning's L.A. Times had an article about John=20 Lasseter's new role at Disney: http://tinyurl.com/asxqr The fourth paragraph reads, "When Disney formally acquires Pixar this=20 summer, Lasseter will become the chief creative officer of both=20 studios. He also will help design rides for Disney's theme park=20 division, where he once operated a Jungle Cruise boat at Disneyland=20 and, more recently, helped design a Bug's Land at Disney's California=20 Adventure." No further details are given on Lasseter's involvement with the theme=20 parks. Adam http://blogiblongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 10:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33628 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 18:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 18:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 18:36:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 18:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 18:35:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:35:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060124222515.64747.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=I_deImaDKML9-1BBzB6gCmTObIw5gpp7v9UgHiylMqlipFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: >> lata, jeremy (is this really my first post on RCT of > the new year?) Slacker! ;p -ALan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 11:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71214 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 19:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 19:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 19:00:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 18:55:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 18:55:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:55:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: GM opening theme park in Vegas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dgOfFckQDPP4Jo8RTF1yhGda07u9VNmLSr3bCmjHdhRdK00 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 1/24/2006 Auto Spies http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3D6467&offSite=3Drss Las Vegas, NV -- With tons of dirt and a dose of speed, the corner of=20 Paradise Rd and Sahara Ave will be transformed in spring of 2006 when=20 General Motors opens the doors of "The Drive," a unique hands-on=20 driving experience that will be the first of its kind within the U.S. Featuring 2 professionally-designed driving courses - including a=20 high performance loop and an off-road adventure over a dirt terrain -=20 The Drive will provide a unique "autotainment" experience adjacent to=20 the Las Vegas Strip. The land to be utilized for the facility will be=20 leased by GM from the Sahara Hotel & Casino. For the duration of the=20 project, GM will also be a marketing and advertising partner of the=20 Las Vegas Monorail Company including having the only brand presence=20 at the monorail station at the Sahara Hotel & Casino - currently the=20 most northern point of the Las Vegas Monorail system. "The Drive provides a unique platform for GM to showcase its vehicles=20 in an unprecedented way," said Steve Tihanyi, general director,=20 marketing and entertainment alliances for GM. "With 2 fun-filled=20 courses, consumers will be able to enjoy one-of-a-kind driving=20 experiences in a variety of our products without any pressure to buy." The performance course will feature a half-mile paved route with jogs=20 and turns complete with chicanes to enjoy both the speed and handling=20 control of pure sports car driving thrills. Vehicle choices to be=20 unleashed on the Performance course will include: the legendary Chevy=20 Corvette; the Pontiac GTO; the 400-horsepower Cadillac CTS-V; the=20 Pontiac Solstice, a roadster exhibiting thrilling Pontiac=20 performance; the luxurious and powerful Cadillac STS-V; and the=20 impressive Saab 9-3 convertible. "Guests of the Sahara Hotel & Casino and fans of NASCAR will now have=20 the opportunity to actually feel the thrill of putting the pedal to=20 the metal just steps from our hotel and casino," said John F.=20 Morocco, director of operations for the Sahara Hotel & Casino Las=20 Vegas. "The partnership with GM offers our guests a new thrilling=20 attraction unlike any other near The Strip." Keys to the rugged yet refined HUMMER H2 and mid-size HUMMER H3 will=20 be available to consumers looking to navigate the adventurous off- road course encompassing a tunnel, hill climb, v-ditch and sloped=20 banks, moguls and obstacles. The off-road trail is available to test=20 out the Chevy Silverado Diesel, and once available, the redesigned=20 2007 models of the Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon Denali, Cadillac Escalade=20 and Chevy Suburban. Select large SUVs will be E85 fuel compatible as=20 well. "This commitment from GM and the Sahara shows that the monorail is=20 more than transit system, it is rapidly becoming an icon level=20 attraction of the most-visited city in the world," said Curtis Myles=20 III, president and CEO of the Las Vegas Monorail Company. "While The=20 Drive at the Sahara monorail station exemplifies the experiential=20 marketing environment of the monorail's advertising program, we also=20 believe the project will create incremental ridership and revenue.=20 We're proud to welcome GM to Las Vegas and we're looking forward to=20 building a long-lasting marketing partnership with them and the=20 Sahara on this incredible journey." With the addition of GM, the monorail expands its high-profile=20 advertiser portfolio to 6 along with Sprint/Nextel, Hansen's Beverage=20 Company, Paramount Parks, BankWest of Nevada, and the Las Vegas=20 Convention and Visitors Authority. The Drive, which will encompass 11 acres at the corner of Sahara Ave=20 and Paradise Rd, will be open for a minimum 6-month period. The Drive=20 will utilize a variety of local vendors for the build phase, and will=20 hire approximately 100 locals to help with operations once the=20 project opens. The Drive hours of operation (once open) are preliminarily set to be=20 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. seven days a week, including holidays. The=20 Drive is accessible from the GM Monorail station at the Sahara Hotel=20 & Casino, and parking is available at the hotel's self parking=20 structure or valet. Pricing and ticket locations for the driving experiences at The Drive=20 will be announced at a later date. Drivers must be age 18 or over,=20 and present a valid driver's license. Professional drivers (as=20 passengers) will accompany each driver to help them get the most out=20 of their driving experience. For the safety of all guests, on-site=20 breathalyzer tests will be part of the mandatory registration process=20 before guests can enjoy The Drive experience. For those wanting to watch, The Drive will feature special viewing=20 locations to capture pictures and witness drivers navigating the=20 courses offered. ---------- Copyright 2005 Auto Spies From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 11:37:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93058 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 19:37:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=bzy8jhh7LYFkfst1o6W_CgFV_4qOA4CD3AjrCrKWdubXqbQ0I5XT X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson=20 wrote: > > You know people, why join anything? Cool, so you can sponsor both me and Janice... Awesome! Now we just=20 gotta worry about Don, Mon, Nate, Jeremy and Erin.=20=20 Just cuz I'm a tool doesn't mean I should have to pay to prove it.=20=20 I'll probably end up joining the Buzz. That is, if they'll have me. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 25 14:26:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67222 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:26:11 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so32243ugd for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr111091nfg; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:26:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:26:10 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=QCcciJV0npZEG1eptA4hzBF4U2dFkE-7jogxnRfTdsLfLBLh16JZ3r8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > You know people, why join anything? > > Cool, so you can sponsor both me and Janice... Awesome! Now we just > gotta worry about Don, Mon, Nate, Jeremy and Erin. Yeah, some of us are definitely going to have to join something. The problem is that I greatly dislike both Sam Marks and Jeff Putz, so I won't be joining either of their clubs. What about the Mid-Atlantic Coaster Club, Rideworld, or the Western New York Coaster Club? Are any of these any good (or cheap)? I've never heard of "Coaster Crew", so I don't know what they're all about. -Nate From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 14:41:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63288 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 22:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:41:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 22:41:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:41:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.50.237.58 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=onIgWNWaMCrEWhjDTWPvMKa9PtLXM7l28pCjWSl-sO06ALg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I've never heard of "Coaster Crew", so I don't know what they're all about. From the looks of things they are all about being quite lame: http://www.coastercrew.com/about.php Adam From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Wed Jan 25 14:48:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53330 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 22:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 22:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 22:48:58 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F1tNF-0008T5-51 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <43D7FF51.4070101@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:44:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce98aeb6d57d10347fdd286a0493da3966c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=uH0Lys-xO7cqMrozPTvD9xMvjL7Td5yeztIeL5YfA-CWgplJOYs X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Yeah, some of us are definitely going to have to join something. The > problem is that I greatly dislike both Sam Marks and Jeff Putz, so I > won't be joining either of their clubs. No comment there from me on this one, though some of you know how I feel on that. :) > I've never heard of "Coaster Crew", so I don't know what they're all about. Coaster Crew is sort of affiliated with Thrillnetwork. They're, umm, interesting, and in the first stages of really getting organized. Just sent out their first membership cards from what I've read. I'll be honest, if you're looking for a club with any sort of reputation, they're not who I would go with. At least not at this point. Maybe a couple of years down the road. Frankly I'm surprised that no one has mentioned my own personal favorite, and a club with a good reputation overall: The FLCC. You don't have to live in Florida to be part of the Florida Coaster Club, and they're not a very costly club. From the website: # Rates for one person at one address are $20 for 1-year or $35 for 2-years. # Two people in the same household are $30 for 1-year or $55 for 2- years. If you have more than 2 in your household, you may add members to your primary membership. The rates are $10 per year for each member 16 and over, or $5 each per year for the kids (5 through 15 please). http://www.floridacoasterclub.com/membership.htm Hope that helps out some of you looking for a club. And if you're looking for ACE trips in the South Eastern area, FLCC members can normally get in to those at the ACE rates with no problem. Just let me know if you have any questions. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jan 25 15:20:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85126 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 23:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 23:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 23:20:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 23:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 23:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2006 23:18:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:18:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.1.159 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Jobs and Iger chat about the future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=XJRzD9cZR0kVXZpfnE530X59VfjCv7AKi_RDz2efX1PFUmbjMgH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme AppleInsider has posted excerpts from an MSNBC interview with the two titans who are now part of the same company. Among the intersting tidbits: "Disney plans to focus on taking Pixar's "great intellectual property" and leveraging it across Disney's theme parks, products, and services. Specifically, this means integrating Pixar's characters and creations into Disney's theme parks and merchandizing." > http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=3D1489 < Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 25 15:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40984 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2006 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F1tI2-0004bi-4I for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <43D7FE0E.9070608@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:39:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce931c3282ea42927d57a6caef0ae360d45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=P_9hSewfU5YYt0Ptg38Q6XdwFCWaEL8m-KDbHPLhhOJfCwk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Yeah, some of us are definitely going to have to join something. The > problem is that I greatly dislike both Sam Marks and Jeff Putz, so I > won't be joining either of their clubs. No comment there from me on this one, though some of you know how I feel on that. :) > I've never heard of "Coaster Crew", so I don't know what they're all about. Coaster Crew is sort of affiliated with Thrillnetwork. They're, umm, interesting, and in the first stages of really getting organized. Just sent out their first membership cards from what I've read. I'll be honest, if you're looking for a club with any sort of reputation, they're not who I would go with. At least not at this point. Maybe a couple of years down the road. Frankly I'm surprised that no one has mentioned my own personal favorite, and a club with a good reputation overall: The FLCC. You don't have to live in Florida to be part of the Florida Coaster Club, and they're not a very costly club. From the website: # Rates for one person at one address are $20 for 1-year or $35 for 2-years. # Two people in the same household are $30 for 1-year or $55 for 2- years. If you have more than 2 in your household, you may add members to your primary membership. The rates are $10 per year for each member 16 and over, or $5 each per year for the kids (5 through 15 please). http://www.floridacoasterclub.com/membership.htm Hope that helps out some of you looking for a club. And if you're looking for ACE trips in the South Eastern area, FLCC members can normally get in to those at the ACE rates with no problem. Just let me know if you have any questions. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 25 16:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98720 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 00:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 00:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 00:09:58 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so116849ugc for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.127.2 with SMTP id z2mr117797nfc; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:09:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:09:57 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43D7FE0E.9070608@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30601241357s32b3d501hd91761bf6b61a02f@mail.gmail.com> <43D7FE0E.9070608@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coasterbuzz or Coasterzombies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=mBSFBPQxjNtwbYG9YVU5H1FdN3weCrxavQW7NKSa9289jvG2cxBCaZU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 To follow up on my earlier post, work was slow today, so I put together a list of the club memberships that are valid to Holiday World's event. I started off trying to list the benefits of each organization, but they're really all about the same (discounted rates to occasional ERT sessions and a monthly publication of some sort).=20 So the list is really only good to help you find the website and the cost to join. The comments, of course, reflect only my opinion. :-) -Nate American Coaster Enthusiasts (ACE) http://www.aceonline.org/ Cost: $60/year Benefits: Ace News & Roller Coaster Magazine, where you can read about news you knew about six months ago Coasterbuzz Club http://www.coasterbuzz.com Cost: $20/year Benefits: You can get flamed on Coasterbuzz without the 37 pop-ups per page Coaster Crew http://www.coastercrew.com Coast: $10/year Benefits: A few meaningless discounts, but make sure to get Mom's permission to join first. Coaster Zombies http://www.coasterzombies.com Cost: $18/person Benefits: Become a genuine worshipper of Sam Marks Darkride and Funhouse Enthusiasts http://www.dafe.org Cost: $25/year Benefits: Quarterly magazine European Coaster Club http://www.coasterclub.org Cost: $53/year Benefits: The currency exchange doesn't work to your benefit Florida Coaster Club http://www.floridacoasterclub.com Cost: $20/year Benefits: Get to ride all year, apparently Mid-Atlantic Coaster Club http://members.aol.com/macclub1/ Cost: $15/year Benefits: Monthly "magazine," and the ability to belong to a club nobody has ever heard of National Amusement Park Historical Association http://www.napha.org Cost: $55/person Benefits: Great organization, but there are few benefits beyond a couple publications Rideworld http://www.rideworld.com Cost: $10/year Benefits: Nothing too enticing, especially since it means giving money to Chris "full of it" Godsey Roller Coaster Club of Great Britain http://www.rccgb.co.uk/ Cost: About $62.50 Benefits: Wear a Silver Star jacket without being a tool. Wait, nevermind. Western New York Coaster Club http://www.wnycc.org/ Cost: $20/year Benefits: Semi-monthly newsletter. You may have to have upstate New York teeth to join, though, I'm not sure (thaks Brian). From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 16:10:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24918 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 00:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 00:10:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 00:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 00:09:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:09:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Jobs and Iger chat about the future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Tvy2bQTjQnsDt3MLe-NVj0M68K8ZIQ38fCGm8J4gHdymMXL9dJ-N X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" =20 wrote: > "Disney plans to focus on taking Pixar's "great intellectual property" > and leveraging it across Disney's theme parks, products, and services. > Specifically, this means integrating Pixar's characters and creations > into Disney's theme parks and merchandizing." Umm, aren't they already doing that? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jan 25 19:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84233 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 03:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 03:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 03:51:05 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.24d.5ce437c (58550) for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <24d.5ce437c.3109a113@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:50:43 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=breu861TpEkYku0UFsQCftueRkZF7IchqLm-52cmjat2QQlUfTOS X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is very wierd! But it does save time. Well no, but it does save an evacuation! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 00:37:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69198 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 08:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 08:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 08:37:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:37:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:37:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: GM opening theme park in Vegas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2b_i2KItcpAZ9WdlSujB3MXwTK_6f-msM-4eWbpzOfYbaFPScg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Why does this sound like a wrongful death lawsuit waiting to happen? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 1/24/2006 > Auto Spies > http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3D6467&offSite=3Drss >=20 >=20 > Las Vegas, NV -- With tons of dirt and a dose of speed, the corner of=20 > Paradise Rd and Sahara Ave will be transformed in spring of 2006 when=20 > General Motors opens the doors of "The Drive," a unique hands-on=20 > driving experience that will be the first of its kind within the U.S. >=20 > Featuring 2 professionally-designed driving courses - including a=20 > high performance loop and an off-road adventure over a dirt terrain -=20 > The Drive will provide a unique "autotainment" experience adjacent to=20 > the Las Vegas Strip.=20=20 > Pricing and ticket locations for the driving experiences at The Drive=20 > will be announced at a later date. Drivers must be age 18 or over,=20 > and present a valid driver's license. Professional drivers (as=20 > passengers) will accompany each driver to help them get the most out=20 > of their driving experience. For the safety of all guests, on-site=20 > breathalyzer tests will be part of the mandatory registration process=20 > before guests can enjoy The Drive experience. >=20 > For those wanting to watch, The Drive will feature special viewing=20 > locations to capture pictures and witness drivers navigating the=20 > courses offered. > ---------- > Copyright 2005 Auto Spies > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 01:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59788 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 09:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 09:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 09:02:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:58:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:58:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 08:58:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:58:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24d.5ce437c.3109a113@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q-a3VxIWnesGJfbkouwa1o31E4-9qseUQ66mLfQJw8Vpnyuarw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > > That is very wierd! But it does save time. Well no, but it does save an=20=20 > evacuation! >=20=20 > -Dainan >=20 > _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/)=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > They don't have to rent a crane to reset the train to the station, either.=20 Chris B From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 01:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47198 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 09:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 09:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 09:25:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 09:25:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 09:25:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:25:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.144.130 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=wO8sgZPA321lu-NMKjw5GvPmU6v7zBrwkmcGEhPKfBpEsWPfxEaq X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > They don't have to rent a crane to reset the train to the station, > either.=20 So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if it valleyed, that meant that somehow the accelerators didn't give it enough speed to make it through. Aren't those same accelerators used to slow the train down? If they can fail to give the train enough speed, doesn't it logically follow that they could fail to slow it down enough, too? What sort of redundant braking system do they have? Or was the valleying caused by the second set of accelerators slowing the train down too much on its return toward the loop? IIRC, the sequence of the ride is: launch, turn, loop, second set of accelerators, then a turn and climb to the peak, followed by the same in reverse. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 01:34:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29792 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 09:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 09:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 09:34:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 09:32:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 09:32:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:32:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.144.130 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: GM opening theme park in Vegas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=b7An77kg118ujwbllKbABFCuLDMenSbrIMSFc8Dda8JBdAccDGHJ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Why does this sound like a wrongful death lawsuit waiting to happen? Actually, it sounds like a more elaborate version of some events I went to over the past couple of years for Mazda and Toyota. Both events were demonstrations where participants got to test out their skills and the cars by driving them around courses with turns, chicanes, obstacles, tasks to perform, etc. The Mazda event was at the former El Toro Marine Base and was more heavily organized, with more demonstrations and instructions on what sorts of skills they were testing at each station. The Toyota event was in the Rose Bowl parking lot and wasn't as well-organized, but it was free. We got to do things like vehicular capture the flag, vehicular dodgeball, etc. Not quite as wild as the concepts sound, but still fun. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 02:05:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42798 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 10:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 10:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 10:05:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 10:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 10:03:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:03:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060124222515.64747.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VMfQ6XZ4zUsCFwepQKCPd3G3pBhehK4Yw1rePtCg63xFrQmj9w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > --- Alan wrote: > > Whatever happend to Woody's Round-up? > > And there are many annimated features that have no > > representation in=20 > > the Parks at all (Lady & the Tramp - not that I'd > > know what to do with=20 > > it!; The Jungle Book; The Aristocats; Robin Hood; > > The Rescuers; etc.=20 > > etc) >=20 > Well at the Magic Kingdom @ WDW they have "Tonys Town > Square" restaurant which is themed to Lady and the > Tramp. Funny aside, Lady "T" and I had lunch there on > our honeymoon and the waitress serenaded us (and gave > us a free desert!). Dont know why they dont have a > "Tonys" @ DL. They used to, but it wasn't in the park itself. It was in the DL Hotel, a long time ago. I ate there between 92 and 95. Yummy! Chris B From MrStratosphere@aol.com Thu Jan 26 02:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18331 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 10:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 10:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 10:26:17 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.239.5c944b9 (25098) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:22:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <239.5c944b9.3109fcd9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:22:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=_M16Se4pb5RDzNWHIRuw4adraLdB_mANyBC5lgqMsGG9iaQj4UFd X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/2006 1:26:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, adamnvillani@yahoo.com writes: So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if it valleyed, that meant that somehow the accelerators didn't give it enough speed to make it through. Aren't those same accelerators used to slow the train down? If they can fail to give the train enough speed, doesn't it logically follow that they could fail to slow it down enough, too? What sort of redundant braking system do they have? Or was the valleying caused by the second set of accelerators slowing the train down too much on its return toward the loop? IIRC, the sequence of the ride is: launch, turn, loop, second set of accelerators, then a turn and climb to the peak, followed by the same in reverse. The valleying was caused by the train being slowed too much and failed to go through the loop in reverse. The Second set of Lims just accelerate the train. The magnetic brakes lower for the acceleration and raise to slow the train down on return. This is not the first time this has happend to Speed in fact it happend 4 times last year. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Thu Jan 26 09:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28910 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from webmail50.lax.untd.com (webmail50.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.190]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7TZBPARMT5RA for (sender ); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail50.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFM8SWF3; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:26:33 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail50.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:26:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:26:15 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060126.062633.13636.145174@webmail50.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 8:4:483504698 X-MAIL-INFO:18983818dcf888dc4891f8c988c90cbc1128c1cdad059d4d852811c5d835f5dc9d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAEOc8xt3Q+iQ9HCMXPj4L3/VGCOpRfXRYA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.190|webmail50.lax.untd.com|webmail50.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: GM opening theme park in Vegas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=HpOLdIGvGTCGEz-myL3sEzf9PCvRf-9oU3xN7DOqEVPCKmw4_g X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr I did both the Mazda Drive Event and the GM Auto Show in Motion when they c= ame to Orlando. Mazda had set up in one of the parking lots of the Orange = County Convention Center (where they had the IAAPA show in the past) and GM= did theirs in the EPCOT parking lots. The Mazda one was a lot more fun be= cause they turned you loose on the course and encouraged you to really push= the cars and didn't get mad if you accidentally spun out around a curve. = For the GM one, for the "Performance Cars" (vette and caddie cts-z) they ha= d a co-pilot sit with you to make sure you didn't do anything crazy, and on= the other courses, they got pissed at you if you even took turns fast enou= gh to squeek the tires. The cool thing about the GM show was that they als= o had some competitor's cars for you to drive and compare to the GM product= s. It was funny though, because it was obvious that all the GM cars were t= he fully loaded, top of the line versions with the premium packages, but th= e competition was always the cheapest stripped down base model you can get.= (not that there is a lot of stripping down you can do to a BMW530 though)= However I thought it was pretty funny that they were hyping about how the= Solstice is way better than the Miata, but didn't have a Miata there for y= ou to compare them side by side.=20=20 ~Tim N. ------------------- Original Message: ------------------- --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Why does this sound like a wrongful death lawsuit waiting to happen? Actually, it sounds like a more elaborate version of some events I went to over the past couple of years for Mazda and Toyota. Both events were demonstrations where participants got to test out their skills and the cars by driving them around courses with turns, chicanes, obstacles, tasks to perform, etc. The Mazda event was at the former El Toro Marine Base and was more heavily organized, with more demonstrations and instructions on what sorts of skills they were testing at each station. The Toyota event was in the Rose Bowl parking lot and wasn't as well-organized, but it was free. We got to do things like vehicular capture the flag, vehicular dodgeball, etc. Not quite as wild as the concepts sound, but still fun. Adam ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 09:36:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93204 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 17:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 17:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 17:36:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 17:35:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:35:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060126.062633.13636.145174@webmail50.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: GM opening theme park in Vegas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=t4CkHdLRTJ9R1WyQupFQWWmEjOpyLMDemYFMTxWCWodTv0CLIQLD X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." =20 wrote: > > I did both the Mazda Drive Event and the GM Auto Show in Motion when=20 > they came to Orlando. Mazda had set up in one of the parking lots of=20 > the Orange County Convention Center (where they had the IAAPA show in=20 > the past) and GM did theirs in the EPCOT parking lots. The Mazda one=20 > was a lot more fun because they turned you loose on the course and=20 > encouraged you to really push the cars and didn't get mad if you=20 > accidentally spun out around a curve. Yeah, totally. They encouraged you to push those Mazdas to the limit. I=20 remember seeing one guy spin out and pop one of his tires off, sending=20 it rolling away. I have to say that as a promo, it worked. I haven't=20 bought a new car since I went a couple years ago, but I would=20 definitely consider a Mazda the next time I buy a car. Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 10:34:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63959 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 18:34:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8909 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 20:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 20:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.203) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 20:49:43 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k40so307919ugc for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.19 with SMTP id m19mr210946nfi; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:39:40 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VBK7pbxqoHfVUhQe1_GCaqp46r9suMSad4V66VPRl0l_pq7rgYuS3sc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if it valleyed, that meant that > somehow the accelerators didn't give it enough speed to make it > through. Aren't those same accelerators used to slow the train down? > If they can fail to give the train enough speed, doesn't it logically > follow that they could fail to slow it down enough, too? What sort of > redundant braking system do they have? I haven't ridden Speed, but I assume it's similar to the other Premier shuttle coasters (and, for that matter, the Intamin rockets). The braking system is essentially a system of spring-loaded brakes. It takes power to retract those brakes from a functioning position, which is only supplied immediately before and during a launch. As soon as the train passes by a set of brakes, power is shut off to that brake and it snaps into an active position. Most (if not all) of the Premier shuttles use a combination of magnetic brakes and standard friction brakes. The magnetic brakes drop down before launch, then pop back up after the train passes. The friction brakes open before a launch and snap closed after the train passes. Basically, this system is fool-proof, since the brakes would close during a power or computer failure. The only time the brakes are not active are when the computer is in control and telling the ride to open them (which only happens before a launch). Speed seems to have valleyed because, for whatever reason, the second set of LIMs did not supply enough power to accelerate the train up the spike far enough to allow it to compete its course in reverse. Either that, or the weather (cold, wind, etc) resulted in the train traveling in a slower-than-usual speed. I'm fairly certain that second set of LIMs exists only to power the train up the spike, and do not function in reverse (braking the train as it passes). I'm not sure this is the safest way to deal with a ride malfunction, however. Even if the valley was just due to weather or a gust of wind, it seems to me that the safest way to deal with this is to evacuate the train before shuttling it back and forth. I can't think of any other park that would not evacuate after a valley. -Nate From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 13:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12604 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 21:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 21:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 21:09:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 21:09:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 21:09:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:09:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.50.237.58 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=DJf9tTaLPPSNCmzx9DyOFDkoCzkn9d6wYZFDjigBxWBI8s8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm fairly certain that second set of > LIMs exists only to power the train up the spike, and do not function > in reverse (braking the train as it passes). I thought I remembered them slowing the train both times I went through the LIMs. From a technical standpoint I would be suprised if the train could comfortably navigate the loop and turn into the station if it had 100% of the potential energy derived from being at the top of the spike, it would just to be too much. Adam From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 13:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15511 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 21:23:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 21:20:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2006 21:20:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:20:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=aEYFq9wsrf2QEoP8wwR-DNm6kQM87UDfelGsoHwquL0IObfk9vLw X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > Basically, this system is fool-proof, since the brakes would close > during a power or computer failure. The only time the brakes are=20 > not > active are when the computer is in control and telling the ride to > open them (which only happens before a launch). I see. Thanks for the info! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 13:30:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65269 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 21:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 21:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 21:30:41 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k3so285993ugf for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.17.5 with SMTP id u5mr214137nfi; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:29:35 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=54RXFFif_XTxb7W5mwZJN-R20s9IesMDyVc5S5RFntBUwwu7K8_vaEw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I thought I remembered them slowing the train both times I went > through the LIMs. From a technical standpoint I would be suprised if > the train could comfortably navigate the loop and turn into the > station if it had 100% of the potential energy derived from being at > the top of the spike, it would just to be too much. Maybe it does; I haven't gotten to ride Speed yet. The braking system there would be just as fool-proof, I assume (brakes automatically snap into "active" position as soon as the train passes). It seems odd, though, that Premier would accellerate the train up the spike only to slow it down a few seconds later. I always just assumed those brakes worked like the booster LIMs on the rest of the Premier shuttles but I could be wrong. -Nate From serpmage@juno.com Thu Jan 26 14:02:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54990 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 22:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 22:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 22:02:00 -0000 Received: from webmail53.lax.untd.com (webmail53.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.193]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB7USD4AYMKXZJ for (sender ); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail53.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LFNZAYF4; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:34:45 PST Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail53.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:34:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UOL-SENDER: serpmage@juno.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:34:38 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060126.133445.8594.150778@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2025912396 X-MAIL-INFO:4c8dbd21290c3c291d390c493c4959e5b1fc2c0d19e9d5998cfcb13500257d29d5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABczT46l1PEEkqE/m5JKN5JJVJ+jIAd3Jw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.193|webmail53.lax.untd.com|webmail53.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=8c4mUUuNn5AFQSXr4wmWbQ24oGEJJ0jKm11mGRq1r7_mCk8qsg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr I would imagine that the second LIM run has the ability to both speed up an= d slow down/stop the train, depending on the circumstances (temp, occasiona= l humidity, train wieght). I don't recall there being any other trim brake= s on the coaster, so that would be a logical place to put them. I'd think = that with the wild temperature swings they get out there they would need to= have considerable control of the train's overall speed, and that coaster h= as a much longer than normal run-out between the loop and the tower compare= d to other shuttle coasters. And remember, LIM's can be used as both accer= ators and decellerators with much more precision than a solid state magneti= c braking system. ~Tim N. ------------------------------- Original Message: ------------------------------- > I'm fairly certain that second set of > LIMs exists only to power the train up the spike, and do not function > in reverse (braking the train as it passes). I thought I remembered them slowing the train both times I went through the LIMs. From a technical standpoint I would be suprised if the train could comfortably navigate the loop and turn into the station if it had 100% of the potential energy derived from being at the top of the spike, it would just to be too much. ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 14:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51430 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 22:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 22:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.196) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 22:26:51 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k40so332298ugc for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.6.11 with SMTP id j11mr218536nfi; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:16:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:16:41 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060126.133445.8594.150778@webmail53.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060126.133445.8594.150778@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yNvoro3tKTpS3yGWXE1RqajOE5lDrxuPjIGcrSDgmmAbpoKjq8_Lnm0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I would imagine that the second LIM run has the ability to both speed up > and slow down/stop the train, depending on the circumstances (temp, > occasional humidity, train wieght)...And remember, LIM's can be used as >= both accerators and decellerators with much more precision than a solid > state magnetic braking system. True, but I seem to remember that Mr. Freeze and The Chiller have separate launching and braking systems. I know for certain that Freeze and Chiller have friction brakes. Both also have a magnetic braking system, and I'm pretty certain it's separate from the LIM launching system. Does anyone know for sure? -Nate From MrStratosphere@aol.com Thu Jan 26 15:34:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70578 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2006 23:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2006 23:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2006 23:34:16 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.2b8.386ce17 (4568) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:34:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2b8.386ce17.310ab670@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:34:08 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=EsQdFCeeSMrsI2isokBVHjBsJwrbarmtz6Z79bWPQ0_97zTWzGfJ X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/2006 12:50:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, natekohlrusch@gmail.com writes: I haven't ridden Speed, but I assume it's similar to the other Premier shuttle coasters (and, for that matter, the Intamin rockets). The braking system is essentially a system of spring-loaded brakes. It takes power to retract those brakes from a functioning position, which is only supplied immediately before and during a launch. As soon as the train passes by a set of brakes, power is shut off to that brake and it snaps into an active position. Most (if not all) of the Premier shuttles use a combination of magnetic brakes and standard friction brakes. The magnetic brakes drop down before launch, then pop back up after the train passes. The friction brakes open before a launch and snap closed after the train passes. ^^Correct you are on that, it does have the redundant braking system. It also has the combo of magnetic and friction brakes. Basically, this system is fool-proof, since the brakes would close during a power or computer failure. The only time the brakes are not active are when the computer is in control and telling the ride to open them (which only happens before a launch). ^^You can hear those brakes lower before the launch and once the train passes they do go back up. Speed seems to have valleyed because, for whatever reason, the second set of LIMs did not supply enough power to accelerate the train up the spike far enough to allow it to compete its course in reverse. Either that, or the weather (cold, wind, etc) resulted in the train traveling in a slower-than-usual speed. I'm fairly certain that second set of LIMs exists only to power the train up the spike, and do not function in reverse (braking the train as it passes). ^^ I believe it was due to our cold weather, The second set of LIMS only accelerate the train, there are magnetic brakes in the middle of the track which go down during the launch, once the train passes this set, the brakes go back up and the train slows down before the loop in reverse. I'm not sure this is the safest way to deal with a ride malfunction, however. Even if the valley was just due to weather or a gust of wind, it seems to me that the safest way to deal with this is to evacuate the train before shuttling it back and forth. I can't think of any other park that would not evacuate after a valley. -Nate ^^ For some reason i heard this from another person that the areas of the track are a non permit confined place and if the guests were taken off the ride there they would lose their operating permit. It is not the first time I've seen them keep guests on the ride to reset the train back to the station. It is unique watching them do this. Jonh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 22:20:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16031 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 06:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 06:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 06:20:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 35352 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2006 06:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060127061334.35350.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:13:34 PST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:13:34 -0800 (PST) To: coastertalk , jeremy daniels , DCADon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Fwd: Camp Rudolph and HoliWood Nights problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=AbkHTUfBhWyKTf6c8ALnaAOJop7lPHNiiBxEbgktFbNP0Nn6SQcj X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck This is a copy of an email I sent to Paula Werne at HW about an issue at Camp Rudolph. Just thought I'd pass it along in case anyone else was thinking of reserving a campsite. It's possible that if enough people encounter this problem, some help might be offered. AFLAC!!! -Brian F> > Paula, > > I'm writing about a small problem I'm having > making a Camp Ruldolph reservation for your HoliWood > Nights (HWN) event in May. I know that CR is not in > your control, but was wondering if you could help. > > I called today to reserve one of the King sized > RV's for our group. We'd done this in the past for > 2 > SRM events and have been very happy with the > experience. But I was told that because this year > HWN was on a holiday weekend, we'd have to rent the > RV > for a minimum of 3 nights. As I'm sure you are > aware, > Beech Bend park in KY is having an event the night > after yours. Therefore, my group, as well as (I can > assume) the majority of the enthusiast community > attending HWN, have no use for this 3rd night. And > the price of the trailer ($128) is just too much to > have to eat the cost for the thrid night. > > What I'm asking is if you or anyone else in > management have considered possibly offering some > kind > of waiver on the 3 night policy for those of us > attending HWN. I would love to stay at CR, but I'm > affraid we'll have to seek another option. > > Thank You, > Brian Farral > Tommytheduck@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 17:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 17:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 17:46:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:46:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vkWxlIjH3szdnm1ocqdAJju60F-dsqA5Lfb_UFYHf_g8jr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 All of this Tech-Talk makes me HOT ;p -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 10:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77558 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 18:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 18:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 18:27:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 12:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 18:23:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:23:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Puts 2 Okla. Parks Up for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4YPiNsWwBWqfCdCnNOlHwSOegGNK_cV7BsQntAcYmqFzTIE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 27, 2006 Associated Press Yahoo! News http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060127/six_flags_sale.html?.v=3D1 NEW YORK, NY -- Amusement-park operator Six Flags Inc. said Friday it=20 plans to sell 2 parks in Oklahoma City and move its headquarters from=20 there to New York City as part of an effort to focus on major market=20 parks and streamline operations. 6F said it will close its corporate office in Oklahoma City. It=20 expects the sale of the parks to take place after the 2006 season,=20 during which both parks will be fully operational. Proceeds from the sale would be used for debt reduction and general=20 corporate purposes. 6F shares rose 4 cents to $11.39 on the New York Stock Exchange. The=20 stock has traded between $3.72 and $11.66 over the past 52 weeks. --------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 10:32:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57207 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 18:32:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 18:31:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 18:31:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:31:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Group of Mid-Southerners Vow to Save Libertyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BiTvZaj_3IvCRO3DUTYEjkV7JxFJMlg9V5f7ETEXJWNBKzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 24, 2006 WREG-TV http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4404082&nav=3D3HvE By Annie Kim MEMPHIS, TN -- For the past 30 years, Libertyland has been a favorite=20 destination for many midsoutherners. But dwindling attendance has=20 prompted the people who run it to shut the place down. Now a group of=20 concerned citizens want to save the theme park. It's not hard to find a Mid-Southerner who hasn't been to Elvis'=20 favorite amusement park. Sitting on 140 acres, Libertyland opened in=20 1976 and 2006 might be the year it closes. The mid-south fair leases=20 the property from the city. The fair announced in October it would be=20 closing park. "That doesn't have to be the case. Our group save=20 liberty land has identified a number of companies capable of taking=20 over Libertyland," said Steven Mulroy with Save Libertyland. Save=20 Libertyland will have to come up with an offer the city can't refuse.=20 That's because the city is already looking into numerous development=20 ideas. "I think the overall plan eventually is going to show some=20 residential closer to the east parkway and on central some commercial=20 there," said Pete Aviotti with the City. But others want want to see this place give another generation of=20 kids unforgettable memories. They says it's much more than a place=20 where you can come for rides. "For 30 years (libertyland) has=20 entertained children and their families has given first time jobs to=20 areas teens and which has brought tourists from around the mid-south=20 and really around the world to come here to Memphis," said Mulroy.=20 If the gates don't open in April, Save Libertyland said many parents=20 will end up driving to Hot Springs, Arkansas or even up to St.Louis=20 to take their kids to an amusement park. The problem with that - the=20 group said that's money that could have stayed right here in Memphis. Save Libertyland said some city council members have been receptive=20 to their efforts. They hope to get the issue on the agenda for the=20 city council meeting. The mid-south fair has been running the park with a year to year=20 lease from the city since 1996. Ron Hardin with the group said that=20 did not have anything to do with their decision to close. He says=20 they can't afford to lose millions of more dollars. ---------- Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WREG From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 10:47:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3840 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 18:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 18:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 18:47:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 18:46:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 18:46:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:46:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ge6Pu2M682MedqbFxB4-tHJy1Hk8_jINNrhh6Q0clpzB3SA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 27, 2006 Mercury News http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/13725167.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmercurynews_business By Michele Chandler Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara will be sold along with=20 several major theme parks owned by media giant CBS, which announced=20 Thursday that it is getting rid of its theme park division. Major changes aren't expected at PGA, or at the privately owned=20 Bonfante Gardens park in Gilroy, which has operated under a=20 management agreement with CBS's Paramount Parks division since 2003. CBS said in a statement that "numerous parties have already expressed=20 interest" in the business, and a deal is expected to take place by=20 late 2006. For now though, on April 1, "We're going to open fully as planned for=20 the 2006 season,'' said Paramount's Great America spokeswoman Holly=20 Perez. "PGA and all our parks are releasing new attractions this=20 season." Both Bay Area parks closed for the winter in October, although BG's=20 opened during the winter holidays with a display of lights. Paramount's attractions include Great America, Canada's Wonderland in=20 Toronto, Ontario, Carowinds in North Carolina, Kings Dominion in=20 Virginia; and Kings Island in OH. In 2005, 2 million people visited PGA, up from 1.9 million in 2004,=20 according to the trade magazine Amusement Business. While attendance=20 at the privately held BG is not released, Perez said the park "has=20 had very strong attendance in recent years." Crocodile Dundee PGA tripled the size of its Crocodile Dundee Boomerang Bay Beach Club=20 to 11 acres last year, an expansion that helped attendance, Perez=20 said. Admission passes giving holders entry to both Great America and=20 Bonfante Gardens also boosted attendance at the parks, she said. Santa Clara City Manager Jennifer Sparacino said she did not expect=20 any major changes at PGA after a new owner is named. "It's a great=20 facility. It has great value as far as its offerings of=20 entertainment, so I would expect that anybody who comes in would run=20 it in the same way," she said. "That's been our experience for the=20 last 25 years." Great America has been sold several times since opening in 1976 under=20 the ownership of Marriott. 9 years later, the city of Santa Clara=20 purchased the park for $93.5 million to save Great America from being=20 demolished and replaced with offices, hiring Kings Entertainment to=20 manage the facility. In 1989, Kings purchased the park business and=20 its assets. Paramount Communications acquired Great America in 1992. Santa Clara, which still owns the land, has a 50-year ground lease=20 with Paramount and receives $5.3 million annually. The lease=20 stipulates that an amusement park will be operated there and the=20 ground lease and its restrictions would remain in effect even if the=20 park's ownership changes, Sparacino said. Bonfante Gardens -- a lush, 75-acre horticultural park that also has=20 rides and was developed by Nob Hill Foods Chief Executive Michael=20 Bonfante in 2001 -- is owned by a private, non-profit corporation,=20 but is managed by CBS's Paramount Parks. `Very satisfied' Bonfante Gardens board member Bob Kraemer said the board is "very=20 satisfied with the job they have done. We have a management agreement=20 with them, and I really don't expect any changes with that." The park had trouble making ends meet from the time it opened in 2001=20 until 2003, the year the park -- filled with elaborate gardens --=20 showed its first profit after Paramount Parks took over Bonfante's=20 day-to-day operations. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 27 11:19:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83531 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 19:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 19:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 19:19:24 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0RJJ4TJ016732 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:19:04 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:19:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C7A9C7C-ED9B-45D6-92A1-1D0E2BA6694E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:18:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 19:19:04.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[897C0FC0:01C62376] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=8ga_9Qhr4rmqLxkoEGRnxDlgmkQYGRjBJ-dBjoor_iJJdGxU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara will be sold along with > several major theme parks owned by media giant CBS, which announced > Thursday that it is getting rid of its theme park division. Woah! I'm a little unclear though .. If Paramount is getting rid of its theme park devision, wouldn't it be selling all the parks? Or did I mis-read? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 11:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61109 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 19:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 19:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 19:38:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2006 19:37:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:37:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6C7A9C7C-ED9B-45D6-92A1-1D0E2BA6694E@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=0yMvQuwc9sI4LOk2JZk4dz-IDEt_XqJjqFcr6Bn_3_sWmN-N0Crk X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Any idea who the potential buyers might be? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 13:42:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36761 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 21:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 21:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 21:42:40 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k40so75806ugc for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr433529nfq; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.9 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:42:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:42:39 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6C7A9C7C-ED9B-45D6-92A1-1D0E2BA6694E@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6C7A9C7C-ED9B-45D6-92A1-1D0E2BA6694E@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=9kpoYPCmBeVc1t8Esveixvbi2n8KrhH2C_vqpZl7S_VN-7sWTGiC3qc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara will be sold along with > > several major theme parks owned by media giant CBS, which announced > > Thursday that it is getting rid of its theme park division. > I'm a little unclear though .. If Paramount is getting rid of its > theme park devision, wouldn't it be selling all the parks? Or did I > mis-read? I got the impression that Paramount was selling all of their parks, which has been in the news for some time now. I assume this is from a Bay-area paper, which is understandably focused on PGA. I'm more surprised by the sale of Frontier City! -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Jan 27 13:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69406 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1d8.4dc20013 (58677) for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:38:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d8.4dc20013.310becc2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:38:10 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other them... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as its NOT those morons who just bought Six Flags! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 27 13:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67077 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2006 21:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2006 21:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2006 21:59:10 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0RLwd9q024131 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:44 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <6C7A9C7C-ED9B-45D6-92A1-1D0E2BA6694E@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <30D9A922-C4F5-46EB-BF05-86DCD19C2363@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:34 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2006 21:58:40.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[D515D810:01C6238C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fGSLeHt4HgLUVaw36lBB_sDLjeAvI03gIv1LzNIplpm9R3ON X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I got the impression that Paramount was selling all of their parks, > which has been in the news for some time now. hah .. ok, I didn't know this. I need to stop living under this rock! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jan 27 16:42:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80062 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 00:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 00:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 00:42:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:42:48 -0800 Message-Id: <200601271642.AA1299513670@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: NEWS: Six Flags and smoking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=f-A9kBKnS9VF4_r04y0NCcgFcWz1h8107CDptrmoyxdZEgBfyYCT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I haven't received the last five digests, so I'm not sure if anyone posted an article about Six Flags that ran in our local paper a few days ago. Snyder announced that smoking will be banned in the parks except in designated smoking areas. While I applaud that decision, it's a bit of a joke. Signs abounded at Six Flags declaring there was no smoking in queue lines. But guests freely ignored that rule, and there was almost no enforcement (even in coaster stations). If they can't enforce the rule in queue lines, how the heck are they going to enforce it across the parks? Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jan 28 06:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33378 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 14:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 14:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 14:30:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 14:27:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 14:27:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 14:27:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:27:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.7.18 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=eWJPNag8iFDLuGvqgQ_9PR6UrUd44uXYEmXY3tcnlEh37u18n8fF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme 1/28/06 (AP) -- Six Flags Inc. will move its headquarters to New York City and put its Oklahoma City amusement parks up for sale, the company said yesterday. A new management team in place since late last year decided to focus on faster-growing markets, a statement from the firm said. Six Flags operates 29 theme parks in North America, including Six Flags New England in Agawam. Chief Executive Mark Shapiro said the company is evaluating all of its assets and is seeking to reduce its debt. The company had divided corporate operations between Oklahoma City and New York. The firm's New York headquarters will allow it to promote the brand in a leading center of entertainment, media and finance, Shapiro said. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 07:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86505 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 15:15:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 15:13:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2006 15:12:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:12:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=wUCNBoUkDf0kUCemKjNL-H7TK4ANb2gtms72kZ57D3izHn1BlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > > 1/28/06 (AP) -- Six Flags Inc. will move its headquarters to New York > City and put its Oklahoma City amusement parks up for sale, the > company said yesterday. >=20 > A new management team in place since late last year decided to focus > on faster-growing markets, a statement from the firm said. Six Flags > operates 29 theme parks in North America, including Six Flags New > England in Agawam. Down to 27...=20 Chris B From lau228@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 08:10:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25783 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 16:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53901.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.211) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 16:10:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27886 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2006 16:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060128160936.27884.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:09:36 PST Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:09:36 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060127061334.35350.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Fwd: Camp Rudolph and HoliWood Nights problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=eRZ6cZ-fgNJZ-jalEQcWS8bjR0DMJi0TpiKnzLeqFmhG X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are (and some others in our group) are staying the 3 nights at CR. It's only about 2 hours to BB from there and it's actually a shorter drive home from CR than from BB. We are in a little different situation though as we are bringing our trailer with us and it would be more of a pain to move it for one night near BB than the 2 hour drive back and forth. See you at Holiwood Nights. Lori brian farral wrote: This is a copy of an email I sent to Paula Werne at HW about an issue at Camp Rudolph. Just thought I'd pass it along in case anyone else was thinking of reserving a campsite. It's possible that if enough people encounter this problem, some help might be offered. AFLAC!!! -Brian F> > Paula, > > I'm writing about a small problem I'm having > making a Camp Ruldolph reservation for your HoliWood > Nights (HWN) event in May. I know that CR is not in > your control, but was wondering if you could help. > > I called today to reserve one of the King sized > RV's for our group. We'd done this in the past for > 2 > SRM events and have been very happy with the > experience. But I was told that because this year > HWN was on a holiday weekend, we'd have to rent the > RV > for a minimum of 3 nights. As I'm sure you are > aware, > Beech Bend park in KY is having an event the night > after yours. Therefore, my group, as well as (I can > assume) the majority of the enthusiast community > attending HWN, have no use for this 3rd night. And > the price of the trailer ($128) is just too much to > have to eat the cost for the thrid night. > > What I'm asking is if you or anyone else in > management have considered possibly offering some > kind > of waiver on the 3 night policy for those of us > attending HWN. I would love to stay at CR, but I'm > affraid we'll have to seek another option. > > Thank You, > Brian Farral > Tommytheduck@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Sat Jan 28 09:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36347 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 17:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 17:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 17:36:41 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.273.4cc7697 (58677) for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <273.4cc7697.310d0568@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:35:36 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=7oFrp1dqeodM_x9vHA-ZnU7N_9KX7priO25d9d2hpgafzNfxHKmU X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/2006 10:16:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, munkye1972@yahoo.com writes: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > > 1/28/06 (AP) -- Six Flags Inc. will move its headquarters to New York > City and put its Oklahoma City amusement parks up for sale, the > company said yesterday. > > A new management team in place since late last year decided to focus > on faster-growing markets, a statement from the firm said. Six Flags > operates 29 theme parks in North America, including Six Flags New > England in Agawam. Down to 27... Chris B The new management team picked up where Mr. Burke & Company left off (with some minor revisions such as the smoking policy ). For this, we went through a proxy fight for control of SFI? Thanks, Mr. Snyder for wasting company dollars just to prove you could take over a company. Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Burke was onto something when he started selling off assets, and focusing on profitable (bigger market) parks?!? Just my two cents as I am pissed. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onhisown@comcast.net Sat Jan 28 15:54:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1532 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2006 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2006 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (63.240.77.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2006 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006012823542901200kddige>; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:54:29 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c62466$11514240$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: <20060128160936.27884.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:53:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark O." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Fwd: Camp Rudolph and HoliWood Nights problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=VrF3B_eihBaMqoIX6ugb7y5bfiNOgXD1Di1lHm-3J6zwFqpfWSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > We are (and some others in our group) are staying the 3 nights at > CR. It's only about 2 hours to BB from there and it's actually a > shorter drive home from CR than from BB. Are you saying you'll be driving back to CR after the BB event? If so how bad is the drive besides it being 2 hours? Per mapquest it looks like it's pretty much all US-231 which turns into a toll road called the William H. Natcher Pkwy. We're already reserved for the 3-day weekend at CR. I can't see them changing their 3-night minimum or HW asking them to. The other issue is won't the BB event be way too crowded if even half of the HN attendees show up? Peace, Mark From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jan 28 16:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44863 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 00:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 00:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 00:37:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:38:48 -0800 Message-Id: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=eyaeitZo6qQbsiTegErTg4RK4peC4ZZjXW5kbG0s27uALMupSvZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Thanks, Mr. Snyder for wasting company dollars just to prove you could take over a company. < Yeah, it all seems a bit odd. And this statement puzzled me: > The firm's New York headquarters will allow it to promote the brand in a leading center of entertainment, media and finance, Shapiro said. < What the heck does that have to do with anything? Why do you have to be in New York to promote an amusement park chain? What are they gonna do -- launch "Six Flags -- The Musical" on Broadway? (I feel an ARNR editorial coming on....) It seems like if they really wanted to save money, they'd eliminate the New York office and keep the Oklahoma base. As I've said time and time again, you can't run a park unless you're IN it. The more management distances itself from the day-to-day operations, the lower the park is going to sink. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jan 28 16:40:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72493 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 00:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 00:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 00:40:58 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0T0ewrI013790 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:40:58 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:40:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> References: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32C37B9A-B809-4B58-BB8C-EFD951BBDEBF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:40:47 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 00:40:58.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB8F4900:01C6246C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=eEUGijYsbNWNyJg05-jkl4-jgeDbTee06BRG90VvgjtXqgMi X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> The firm's New York headquarters will allow it to promote the >> brand in a leading center of entertainment, media and finance, >> Shapiro said. < > > What the heck does that have to do with anything? Well the real reason almost certainly have to do with some goofy tax thing. I imagine they can write something off, or combine something else, and save a bundle. Of course they can't come out and say that, since it goes against the hippie/family crap they're now toting. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 17:05:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98214 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 01:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 01:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 01:05:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 01:04:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 01:04:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:04:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.235.249.129 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ueo22QFeb-HwyxF-i-zQDsb9PV5FHCjWdr7nULvBlyNm2fG5QF7F X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" =20 wrote: > It seems like if they really wanted to save money, they'd eliminate=20 > the New York office and keep the Oklahoma base. As I've said time=20 > and time again, you can't run a park unless you're IN it. The more=20 > management distances itself from the day-to-day operations, the=20 > lower the park is going to sink. Good point. How are you going to run an amusement park chain from an=20 office in Manhattan? Oh sure, it'll be easy to talk to investors,=20 marketers, etc., but you'll be 40 miles away from your closest=20 product. Obviously a business has to pay attention to the money side=20 of things. But you can't run an amusement park like a holding company. OK, all those who think that this move will lead to better management=20 of the parks themselves, raise your hands. Didn't think so. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 22:43:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44246 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 05:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 05:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 05:36:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 05:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 05:33:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:33:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G6ksCqJFIMduV9nxdZ4EKwKxuSt9t1nmoCD5RusTy1O00-Y5lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > > > Thanks, Mr. Snyder for wasting company dollars just to prove you could take over a company. < >=20 > Yeah, it all seems a bit odd. And this statement puzzled me: >=20 > > The firm's New York headquarters will allow it to promote the brand in a leading center of entertainment, media and finance, Shapiro said. < >=20 > What the heck does that have to do with anything? Why do you have to be in New York to promote an amusement park chain? What are they gonna do -- launch "Six Flags -- The Musical" on Broadway? (I feel an ARNR editorial coming on....) >=20 > It seems like if they really wanted to save money, they'd eliminate the New York office and keep the Oklahoma base. As I've said time and time again, you can't run a park unless you're IN it. The more management distances itself from the day-to-day operations, the lower the park is going to sink. >=20 > Jay I was thinking a Manhattan amusement park could be neat. You could put a screaming squirrel, a half pipe and an impulse coaster on the roof side-by-side. Teacups, tilt-a-whirl, tumblebug, a scrambler and a couple other TRULY flat rides on each floor of the office building... Hee hee! Chris B From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Jan 29 05:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90630 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.17) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 31650 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2006 13:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 13:37:33 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F3CkH-00035e-27 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:37:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <864187D0-78F9-438E-8D55-EDAC3B7C4FB4@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:42:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=Td0rzBVUvnM2gvTkrxkJCxMyqWmFpIjdrOZ6Z4ZFHZsJoxGQYF_x X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > wrote: >> It seems like if they really wanted to save money, they'd eliminate >> the New York office and keep the Oklahoma base. As I've said time >> and time again, you can't run a park unless you're IN it. The more >> management distances itself from the day-to-day operations, the >> lower the park is going to sink. > > Good point. How are you going to run an amusement park chain from an > office in Manhattan? Oh sure, it'll be easy to talk to investors, > marketers, etc., but you'll be 40 miles away from your closest > product. Obviously a business has to pay attention to the money side > of things. But you can't run an amusement park like a holding company. > > OK, all those who think that this move will lead to better management > of the parks themselves, raise your hands. Didn't think so. Yeah, but you also have 3 major airports nearby, allowing you to have cheaper nonstop flights to anywhere in the country to visit your parks. And I would imagine being in NYC would make it easier to attract more talented people than living in Oklahoma City. No offense to the midwest, but the NYC metropolitan area has about five times the population as the entire state of Oklahoma, and if you want to recruit someone to move to your headquarters, especially if they have a family, it would probably be easier to get them to move to the NYC area than Oklahoma. And for the people that will be in charge of SF now, most seem like they live on the east coast, and I doubt they want to be packing up to move out there. Probably more of convenience than anything else. Although raising the park prices and other things don't look too positive, what I've heard these people say sounds like they have a good idea of where they want to take the parks, and I think they will be a lot better than the ex-management in the long run. I really hope they will be able to get the parks back up to the level they were at when Time Warner was running the show. But I wouldn't be bashing these guys too much (haha coming from me). The other people wanted to SELL the park chain, and obviously weren't able to turn a profit because their whole philosophy was build a coaster to up attendance, nothing else in the park matters. If something positive happened in the parks, it was likely because it had a GM that wasn't terrible. We'll see how they do this season and the next, but I can't imagine them being worse than the Premier Parks management... the real question is how they do in comparison to Time Warner. Of course if Bill Gates has a say in anything, I'll agree with everyone who say the parks are in trouble. You think 60$ admission is bad, wait til we get tiered admission, where you have to pay 90$ to get into the park, then another 90$ to actually ride the rides. Then they would have all these annoying helper people who would ask you all questions when you walk into the park. "Hello! Welcome to Six Flags, how can I help you today? Do you want to go to an amusement park? I see you're stopping to pick up a park map. Do you want me to show you to find where the park maps are located?" But at least Jobs is over at Disney now so Bill has have someone to follow. Mike From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jan 29 10:16:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73772 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 18:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 18:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 18:16:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:18:15 -0800 Message-Id: <200601291018.AA1512964312@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=i8Dfsxakms_Pay220t-JctBjxbqkf7c19uubD11Ny0eDAKtkXWJt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I was thinking a Manhattan amusement park could be neat. < Have you driven a car down Amsterdam Avenue? And remember -- it's a short subway ride to Coney Island. > And I would imagine being in NYC would make it easier to >attract more talented people than living in Oklahoma City. < But why would they want talent in NYC? They want talent inside their parks, which are far-flung from the Big Apple. As others have said, this seems to be a typically corporate move. Granted, Six Flags is a multi-billion dollar (losing) operation, but it's still nothing more than a chain of amusement parks. And parks don't follow normal rules of corporate behavior. You don't go to a park to buy a product. You go there to leave with a smile, a much more intangible asset. If you buy a defective lamp at Wal-Mart, you simply return it for one that works. If you have a lousy time at Six Flags, there's nothing to return, nothing to exchange. It's much more difficult to turn a frown into a smile. In order to do that, management must always be in touch with the guest experience, seeing things as guests do. And the only way that happens is when management is there, day after day. Maybe that's why good parks are a relative rarity: few people want to spend their entire life -- day and night all year long -- simply making other people happy. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Sun Jan 29 12:16:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27424 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3IyP-0001Fa-MG for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <43DD22A2.40906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:16:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce9468df00e90866188e1b920bf68e861bd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=YMZnc2WpLZiy8h7Epdq8pfGUJcRv45qgolB9xJWKTTS3hcK2Gf0 X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 I received this in my private email, but some reason the reply keeps bouncing back to me. After looking at, I figured I'd post this to the list since there's nothing private in it, and others might find it interesting. And that way Daniel also knows that I'm not ignoring him and to check his email. :) daniel_roachus wrote: > Hi, > > got a couple of questions about busch gardens.. > > do you have single rider queues? > > what hotels are within easy walking distance? (only one I've seen is > the safari lodge and that gets mixed reviews) - I was thinking of > either doing one of the tours or staying overnight, to get more time > there as I'm using the shuttle from orlando... Hey Daniel. About the only ride that has a single rider line is SheiKra, and it's not used all the time. Only on really busy days. There are a couple of others that will use one during the summer, but as I recall you're coming during the offseason, so it shouldn't be a problem for you. AS for the hotels, in all honesty I wouldn't stay in any of the hotels right near the park. There aren't any walking distance that aren't either roach traps or that the neighborhood clientele make very much not worth staying in. Sorry about that. If you're here during the offseason though, even using the shuttle you should be ok as far as catching all of the coasters and a good amount of other things. If you've got the money for one of the tours, certainly do that. The guided adventure tour will give you behind the scenes as well pretty much every ride you'd like without any lines. I don't know what the cost is for that offhand, but it's not going to be real cheap. If you want to go that way, I can't encourage you enough to make an advance reservation. But again, if you're there during the week and it's not a holiday or summer, you shouldn't have any problems. Hope that helps. If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask! :) George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lau228@yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 12:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44749 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 20:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 20:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53909.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.219) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 20:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17415 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2006 20:31:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060129203109.17413.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53909.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:31:09 PST Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003e01c62466$11514240$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Fwd: Camp Rudolph and HoliWood Nights problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=Cyo62s6PLfT1p7S18W53ZAVbcFXstMD5xA8IVk8iXExX X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes we will be driving back after the event however, we probably won't be staying for the entire ERT session. Our daughter will be with us so I don't see us staying till midnight or longer, especially with a 2 hour ride back. I looked at the atlas briefly a couple weeks ago and from what I remeber it looked like an easy drive but we've never actually done it before so who knows. Lori "Mark O." wrote: > We are (and some others in our group) are staying the 3 nights at > CR. It's only about 2 hours to BB from there and it's actually a > shorter drive home from CR than from BB. Are you saying you'll be driving back to CR after the BB event? If so how bad is the drive besides it being 2 hours? Per mapquest it looks like it's pretty much all US-231 which turns into a toll road called the William H. Natcher Pkwy. We're already reserved for the 3-day weekend at CR. I can't see them changing their 3-night minimum or HW asking them to. The other issue is won't the BB event be way too crowded if even half of the HN attendees show up? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 12:32:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76139 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2006 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2006 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2006 20:32:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 20:32:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2006 20:32:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:32:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <864187D0-78F9-438E-8D55-EDAC3B7C4FB4@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.138.67.60 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Y98IISXpd6v2Mtn72GsJuxt1p3_3jWR7DDkn2C9UCo0ArOM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I have to agree with Mike here (never thought I would say that :).=20 First, let's call a spade a spade, SF HQ was a shithole that was located next to a shithole with rides called Frontier City. The only reason it was there is because Premier Parks grew out of Frontier City management.=20=20 Why move to NYC? As Mike said, your talent pool is much better.=20 Second, the revenue growth concept these guys are touting is extensive corporate partnerships. It is fair to say that large US Corporations have a main or large office in NYC. The time and money will be spent wining and dining potential clients up the street, not half-way across the country. The sales these guys are working on are built through relationships in offices, the parks are a part of the equation, but no longer the only thing that matters in the equation.=20=20 I will agree that management should be in the parks. However, to me that is the job of a park's GM and his staff, not corporate.=20 Corporate should hire someone with the jobs skills necessary to run each park, and yes, there should be communication between the two, but I think a park's future should be in the hands of a competent person who is on-site 100% of the time. IMHO the problem with the last SF was that the GM's had too little say in growth plans, investments, etc., for thier individual park. Most planning, purchases and even color schemes came from Oklahoma City. Sometimes it was good, I feel most of the time it was not. SF is simply too big to micro-manage and having a good management staff on-hand at each facility is really the only way they can hope to grow.=20=20=20 Adam From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jan 30 05:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1516 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 13:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 13:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 13:10:04 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3Ykm-0007xf-Ks for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: <43DE0F8A.6020200@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:07:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce90a4cc8be623b7442732b6597582a5f30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tv-BET9ZpZVZ1YBKlmQYGmNYwgrbkkg_UoqiK19NY7fpU9Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > I have to agree with Mike here (never thought I would say that :). > First, let's call a spade a spade, SF HQ was a hole that was > located next to a hole with rides called Frontier City. The only > reason it was there is because Premier Parks grew out of Frontier City > management. I'll have to disagree with you on this one Adam on several points. First, I really liked Frontier City. I thought that it was a great little park. From what we saw, I honestly felt that if more parks were run the way that Frontier City was run (at least during our visit) that there wouldn't be anywhere near the problems that so many of the Six Flags parks have. I think it's sad that they're closing it instead of working on adding and improving it. At least I got in a visit, though I wish I could catch it again. > > I will agree that management should be in the parks. However, to me > that is the job of a park's GM and his staff, not corporate. > Corporate should hire someone with the jobs skills necessary to run > each park, and yes, there should be communication between the two, but > I think a park's future should be in the hands of a competent person > who is on-site 100% of the time. IMHO the problem with the last SF > was that the GM's had too little say in growth plans, investments, > etc., for thier individual park. Most planning, purchases and even > color schemes came from Oklahoma City. Sometimes it was good, I feel > most of the time it was not. SF is simply too big to micro-manage and > having a good management staff on-hand at each facility is really the > only way they can hope to grow. Ok, so how is the new management scheme any different than the old? You've got Shapiro taking a walk through the parks and dictating what they will do to fix it. Wouldn't that be HQ making the decisions for the parks? Who's to say how much influence they're going to give the on site management? Do you think they're going to give them more than the past regime? For some reason, I really tend to doubt it. I have a feeling that you're not going to see any improvements in that area at all. And to make it worse, now you're going to have HQ, and everyone working in it, not only unfamiliar with how the parks work and run since they have no experience in the industry, but now they're going to be dictating from a place so far removed from any of the parks that they're not going to have a clue what's going on in them anyways. Sure the park managment might be better at doing it on site, but they can't do that if HQ is so out of touch and dictating to them. And I don't see how they could be in touch or have a feel of what's really going on and what it's like in the parks if they're not close to any of them. Besides, wouldn't it also be nice to, as you put it, "schmooz, wine and dine" potential clients at the parks themselves? I can't think of a better way to try to convince someone to become part of your plan than to actually put them into the middle of it to begin with. Well, that is if they were actually running the parks decently. But then some of those clients might not like getting dinged those huge parking fees just to see a client either. ;) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jan 30 05:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95489 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 13:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 13:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 13:14:56 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3Yqt-0002Vy-KD for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <43DE110E.5080604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:13:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200601271642.AA1299513670@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: <200601271642.AA1299513670@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce9a21112dc7f006184d9c1437f422492b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags and smoking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=d7qlNhyZL9F6xGFm7Yb-CWjgykS9nrIq-6w71X7_0OC_y6s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > I haven't received the last five digests, so I'm not sure if anyone > posted an article about Six Flags that ran in our local paper a few days > ago. Snyder announced that smoking will be banned in the parks except > in designated smoking areas. You're not on the bouncing list Jay. I'd check with your ISP and see if for some reason they've got yahoo groups on their spam list filters. If you have webmail access, check that and see if it has a "junkmail" filtered box there and if it's there. Earthlink I know does filtering, but I can see what they've filtered out by using the webmail and can then do some fine tuning. Something to try for anyone having similar problems, because it's often the provider getting a bit overzealous in filtering email. I know that there are one or two that block yahoo groups messages entirely. > > While I applaud that decision, it's a bit of a joke. Signs abounded at > Six Flags declaring there was no smoking in queue lines. But guests > freely ignored that rule, and there was almost no enforcement (even in > coaster stations). If they can't enforce the rule in queue lines, how > the heck are they going to enforce it across the parks? This is my one concern with the policy. At BGT, it's the job of every employee to politely enforce the policy (which is essentially the same at Six Flags new one) I can tell you that many don't because it's not worth the hassle you often get from the smokers. Queue lines are often easier to enforce because you can use the PA system in them to make announcements that will often get a person to comply. But outside of the queues gets a bit more problematic. And when you've got a company that doesn't enforce many rules to begin with, I don't see how they're going to do this. Unless they're going to be making massive changes and improvements to their customer service and employees job skills. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jan 30 05:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20129 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 13:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 13:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 13:21:13 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3YxH-0005md-Ee for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:20:27 -0500 Message-ID: <43DE129C.4020604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:20:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce9e7a526c6d9514f67c25e0c65d2350783350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Paramount to sell Great America, other theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jiqYomyaag6cvp9-DaFPi4LJ80HXFvErWTyu7M3iOVaHwwY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara will be sold along with > several major theme parks owned by media giant CBS, which announced > Thursday that it is getting rid of its theme park division. I'm just shaking my head at this for several reasons. I don't understand why Paramount would want to sell the parks. Motley Fool pretty much already did a much better job than I could explaining why it's a stupid idea. But they're not losing money on them. And to lose that huge customer base in the parks and all of the marketing opportunities that they have with them to push their movies, tv shows, etc... It just doesn't make sense to me. And as for buyers, I'm not sure who would want them. Certainly not anyone that I could see keeping the parks as they are now. Six Flags is obviously out. I don't see Cedar Fair being a player for them (monopoly in Ohio? hehe), I'm positive that Busch, Universal, and Disney aren't interested. Maybe the group that just bought Legoland? (sorry, the name eludes me), or the group in Dubai? But I don't see any of them wanting to pay the huge price that would surely be required. I just have a feeling that this sale has as many "interested buyers" as the Six Flags sale did. And will have about as much chance of actually happening. But then that's just my guess. ON a personal note though, if it did happen, maybe new owners would restore PGA and bring back some of the theming and the charm that it's lost over time with Paramount. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 06:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65678 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 14:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 14:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 14:08:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:07:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:07:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:07:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43DE0F8A.6020200@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=k4wEuBQjtJt2n067Zt6FZ4L3tV6ordwnxspeh1evhckEaNc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Ok, so how is the new management scheme any different than the old?=20 > You've got Shapiro taking a walk through the parks and dictating what=20 > they will do to fix it. Wouldn't that be HQ making the decisions for=20 > the parks? Yes and no. I guess I don't see Shapiro going through the parks, seeing what needs to be fixed, etc., shortly after a take-over as being too dictatorial. If he is micro-managing day-to-day ops. one year from now I will think it will be a bad move and a very different situation than learning what needs to be done. Whether its true or not, how else should Shaprio come off to investors through the newspapers? They want to feel that someone has taken the helm at Six Flags corporate and him putting on an improvement show for the press at parks is certainly a part of it. =20 > Who's to say how much influence they're going to give the on site=20 > management? Do you think they're going to give them more than the past=20 > regime? For some reason, I really tend to doubt it. I have a feeling=20 > that you're not going to see any improvements in that area at all. Honestly I have no idea how much power they will give the GM's. I hope they give the GM's the latitude they need to suceed, but we will have to wait and see.=20=20=20=20 > And to make it worse, now you're going to have HQ, and everyone working=20 > in it, not only unfamiliar with how the parks work and run since they=20 > have no experience in the industry, but now they're going to be=20 > dictating from a place so far removed from any of the parks that they're=20 > not going to have a clue what's going on in them anyways. Sure the park=20 > managment might be better at doing it on site, but they can't do that if=20 > HQ is so out of touch and dictating to them. And I don't see how they=20 > could be in touch or have a feel of what's really going on and what it's=20 > like in the parks if they're not close to any of them. As I said above and earlier, if they give the GM's the latitude to work, then the system will work. I don't know whether they will do that or not.=20=20 As for visits, Shaprio has already been to more parks than Burke did all of last year. In addition, at Frontier City, where the bulk of management was a five-minute walk away, the joke was that people from corporate visited maybe one time per-year for, and that was for a few hours. I feel it is a fair statement that overall the new management team has spent more time in 2006 learning the product than the old team did in 2005 (naturally these are just my feelings from people I have talked to). Let's face it, the past regime had plenty of experience in the industry and they failed. All they wanted to do was invest, get the stock price high and flip the properties to someone else, but they got caught with their stock price (and proverbial pants) down so they had to get into it for the long haul. If these new guys truly go with a family-friendly park enviornment and then flip the properties I think they will a much better job while they hold control. > Besides, wouldn't it also be nice to, as you put it, "schmooz, wine and=20 > dine" potential clients at the parks themselves? I can't think of a=20 > better way to try to convince someone to become part of your plan than=20 > to actually put them into the middle of it to begin with. Well, that is=20 > if they were actually running the parks decently. But then some of=20 > those clients might not like getting dinged those huge parking fees just=20 > to see a client either. ;) No, I wouldn't bring people to the parks on a regular basis to wine and dine them. Sales is based on relationships. I would spend 90% of my time building a relationship through dinners, schmoozing, etc., and 10% of the time in the parks (if that). The more time you have a client in a park the more oppurtunities there are for things to go wrong with their perception of the product. If and when I took someone to a park it would be a busy, but not packed, day at SFGAdv where my customers could see the park being sucessful, take a ride on Nitro, Kingada Ka, look at all the families in the kiddieland, and get the hell out of dodge. Overall, I feel (and have experienced) that putting time into building relationships in a controlled enviornment is time much better spent. I can say from my job the amount of time I spend taking clients to the product is a minimal part of the process because nothing sells itself.=20=20 Adam From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 06:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17285 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 14:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 14:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 14:38:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:38:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:38:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:38:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:38:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43DD22A2.40906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=dVUvxbY_A_1B3AzrhMdp2BK2xXFDa-4KAOH6NkhIvPMqk4j_prycn3U X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, George Burnash=20 wrote: > > I received this in my private email, but some reason the reply=20 keeps=20 > bouncing back to me.=20=20 Ji, Thanks for replying - Think I know why, my yahoo account still=20 has an old email address associated with it!! >=20 > daniel_roachus wrote: > > Hi, > > > > got a couple of questions about busch gardens.. > > > > do you have single rider queues? > > > > what hotels are within easy walking distance? (only one I've=20 seen is > > the safari lodge and that gets mixed reviews) - I was thinking of > > either doing one of the tours or staying overnight, to get more=20 time > > there as I'm using the shuttle from orlando... >=20 >=20 > Hey Daniel. >=20 > About the only ride that has a single rider line is SheiKra, and=20 it's > not used all the time. Only on really busy days. There are a=20 couple of > others that will use one during the summer, but as I recall you're > coming during the offseason, so it shouldn't be a problem for you. >=20 Yep - I'll be there on sat and sun 11th and 12th march (I know=20 weekends aren't the best, but I've gotta do one of the parks that=20 weekend!) > AS for the hotels, in all honesty I wouldn't stay in any of the=20 hotels > right near the park. There aren't any walking distance that aren't > either roach traps or that the neighborhood clientele make very=20 much not > worth staying in. Sorry about that. ooooh - sounds nice :)=20=20 From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 06:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67086 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 14:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 14:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 14:45:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 08:43:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:42:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:42:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=efkKk1FOhY8W-5nn_ZRcE72S917yytFp7FRyz5mwYQdDLHHEyWQgc10 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > > Yep - I'll be there on sat and sun 11th and 12th march (I know=20 > weekends aren't the best, but I've gotta do one of the parks that=20 > weekend!) >=20 hmm - Maybe it could be worth a change of plan - universal in orlando=20 do am express plus pass which gives you one access, via the express=20 gate, for each ride (costs 15 dollars) - so maybe I could do that at=20 the weekend, and busch gardens during the week??? Think it would be less crowded then? From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Mon Jan 30 06:56:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55497 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 14:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 14:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 14:56:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 14:54:26 -0000 X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34527 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 14:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 14:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 14:03:37 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3ZY6-0004fy-T9 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:58:31 -0500 Message-ID: <43DE1B82.8060103@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:58:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce9948b74e6616401c456e8563cc43eeab1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: NEWS: Knobel's starts construction of the Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=vgXK9COTg5rPIyj0JmF71ZQC_Wbjf1nD3tOR7we5dCqeYkOG61g X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 30 Jan 2006 14:54:25 -0000 I don't think this made it to the list, but for those that are interested, Knobel's has broken ground on their new version of the classic Flying Turns coaster. They have a couple of pictures up on their site. No official announcement yet, so no idea on what the coaster will be like when it's all done. But to have a classic style coaster like this make a return should be great to see. You can find the pictures and some info on their site: http://www.knoebels.com/update.htm keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jan 30 10:35:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74729 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 18:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 18:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 18:35:09 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.25f.5faed67 (57365) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:28:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25f.5faed67.310fb4cb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:28:27 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Knobel's starts construction of the Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=k3ZCEZi2NLDzEZhhMmJo3uGh6lHHb6bgte8rNcXrXw09Zq6p85l6 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is AMAZING! I'm so excited! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 10:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71042 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 18:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 18:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 18:28:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 18:27:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 18:27:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HtYEJM_AdbpE2ZrO1ZI5Yc1WO1ZT1XLgcabOPsm6osUz9Hg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" =20 wrote: >SNIP>=20 > What the heck does that have to do with anything? Why do you have to=20 be in New York to promote an amusement park chain? What are they gonna=20 do -- launch "Six Flags -- The Musical" on Broadway? (I feel an ARNR=20 editorial coming on....) Maybe it has to do with being in the same city as the other assets he=20 might manage? (Nothing to back-up this thought, just thinking out loud.) -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 10:51:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53578 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 18:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 18:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 18:51:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 18:47:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:47:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park offers deals to stem attendance slide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=20KqW7IEQ0O0eCD4wkLwI_v4ThnWmnreBUwDez2AgSvJpVU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 30, 2006 Associated Press Miami Herald http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/13744343.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_state ORLANDO, FL -- Universal Orlando plans to throw down the latest=20 gauntlet in the area's theme park wars today when it officially=20 starts offering free admission to children under the age of 9 whose=20 parents buy a 2-day multipark pass over the Internet. The offer comes amid heightened competition in Orlando theme-park=20 deals and as Universal tries to overcome a disappointing 2005.=20 Universal's 2 parks in Orlando, Universal Studios and Islands of=20 Adventures, each saw declines of 8.5%, according to Amusement=20 Business, the trade publication. The deal is limited to 1 child per adult ticket purchased online for=20 $99.95 for the theme parks. It also provides 3 extra days at the park=20 at no added charge. A children's ticket for a 2-day multipark pass=20 previously cost $99.95, the same as an adult ticket. The theme parks had been testing the concept for the past 2 months on=20 its website but makes the deal official today with an ad campaign to=20 back it up. Sea World Orlando years ago introduced its Fun Card, which allows=20 Florida residents who buy a 1-day ticket pretax for $61.95 to get in=20 without paying for the rest of the year. ----------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 11:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77611 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 19:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 19:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 19:17:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 19:16:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 19:16:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:16:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25f.5faed67.310fb4cb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Knobel's starts construction of the Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=NevmKRd4yQsjTEa3Y1mHx-W1OA0N6qOCkVrwPlFXp7A-DI3NWYR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > > This is AMAZING! I'm so excited! Yeah, this is really cool. I've long been a proponent of both having=20 more different kinds of ride experiences and in reviving amusements of=20 the past. Next, somebody should try to build a Virginia Reel. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 11:24:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5737 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 19:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 19:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 19:24:31 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so874688ugc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1094735nfg; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:23:25 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2b8.386ce17.310ab670@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2b8.386ce17.310ab670@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Speed: The Ride Valleys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KnYxQSB2vMdJZRZtGAIv5lpsQ8TbfGn3qaNPj8707EjDrp1X1YmnmLE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ^^ For some reason i heard this from another person that the areas of the > track are a non permit confined place and if the guests were taken off th= e > ride > there they would lose their operating permit. It is not the first time I'= ve > seen them keep guests on the ride to reset the train back to the station. I can't imagine this is true. It seems to me that the hazzard would be operating a ride with areas that could not be evacuated in the case of a mechanical failure. In this case, if anything went wrong with the booster LIMs the ride would valley there, and there's no guarantee they could fire them back up again right away. -Nate From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 17:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66690 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 01:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 01:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.207) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 01:09:21 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s16so835697wxc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.15.3 with SMTP id 3mr7770060wxo; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.19.11 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:09:19 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <25f.5faed67.310fb4cb@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Knobel's starts construction of the Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=J6WbSJeF5Xbh2l4Qw5ajAI0h2F9SgfIgfZVUbBRk6hjDQ04Hamvgkyk X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > Yeah, this is really cool. I've long been a proponent of both having > more different kinds of ride experiences and in reviving amusements of > the past. Next, somebody should try to build a Virginia Reel. > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com Yeah, I think I may have briefly mention the Flying Turns on here before. Anyways, I'm very excited, especially if it's anything like the old Flying Turns designs. Rollercoaster! ran an article on them a few years ago that was pretty interesting, and I think it showed a model of a portable design that Mack or someone was working on. It also looked similar to the old wooden Flying Turns, and looked like it'd provide a great ride, as it was pretty tall, compact, and had lots of turns. Anyways, once this gets built I'm really going to have to make it to Knoebels (not that I didn't already have enough reasons). Also, I think I may have mentioned this a long time ago, but apparantly there is still a Virginia Reel in England. Here it is, the Tyrolean Tubtwist: http://www.rcdb.com/id884.htm -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Jan 30 18:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15060 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] [71.127.13.246] by karenandjay.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A6D470C600D0; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:09:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1138646833.564.9474.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1138646833.564.9474.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7cfbe288beb47e5be2590baea5cdea36@karenandjay.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:06:11 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Knobel's starts construction of the Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=k5irKEkBhNdReQLZ-ELTjFFgcqdHRGn6S_4UmtPrJX9CBH0hzSX9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well, if anyone can do this right, Knoebel's can. I have mixed feelings about this because the last time a small park created a Flying Turns, it preceded the decline of the amusement industry of that era. But I wish them all the luck. And I'll certainly head to Knoebel's to ride it. Heck, I'd go back to Knoebel's even if it wasnt' there! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 21:14:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2882 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 05:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 05:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 05:14:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12486 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 05:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060131051409.12484.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:14:08 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:14:08 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1138646833.564.9474.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=tjnuNOy5JTJ8RpFllHQ3MCPXBxsY8wGiA1Rsexn2x69Y3aWpeuAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > what hotels are within easy walking distance? (only one I've seen is > the safari lodge and that gets mixed reviews) DO NOT STAY AT THE SAFARI LODGE!!!!! I have only one good thing to say about that place... they were nice enough to let us leave after only one night of our two night reservation and didn't charge us. Where to begin... -Filthy in all parts. (rooms, halls, etc) -cheapest matresses i've ever seen (and remember, I spend 3 nights a week in different hotels) -Pillows were like sleeping on a wadded up tshirt -looked like a dog had tried to chew up the thermostat -moldy bathroom with broken tiles and paper thin towels -many ground floor rooms with sliding glass doors to dark, unlit, secluded access road, read... very easy to be broken into and no one would hear or see -actually saw a prostitute entering through one of the back entrances. (I mean, what else could she be dressed like that?) AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 22:46:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20022 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 06:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 80566 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 06:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.232.219] by web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:46:38 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:46:38 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=PWJM73mV2LGme7OzbnlUOYQg86MREvWEf4gAxa84bZNGWs9q1OKi7w X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I just joined for some news and reviews of the roller coaster ride= s at theme parks (Disney, Six Flaggs, Knott's, etc.) that the media don't t= ell us: =20=20=20 I have a question so far: They're promoting a new movie (rated R for wha= t I can tell gory/bloody violence, strong language.) "Final Desination 3" a= nd I'm wonder if anyone has seen the promos on TV yet? If so, does anyone = recongnize the park where the roller coaster scene takes place?=20=20 =20=20=20 I love to ride on them in certain extent btw; which I've been on just Spa= ce Mountain (before the new one), Big Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn, Califor= nia Screamin' at Disneyland/DCA. Along with Collesus and (sp?), Revolution= at Magic Mountain though it's been 15 years since I've been there. I've n= ot been on any at Knott's or any other major theme park. =20=20=20 Thanks!=20=20 Ann Marie=20 Blessings and ttfn..... =BAo=BAAnn Fowler-Ontario, So. Calif., USA=20=20 AIM, Ebay ID, and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak MSN IM: disneyfreak777@hotmail.com http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak =20 =09=09 --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 05:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45407 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 13:01:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 13:01:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 13:01:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=wz8LwyB6E_l486yDx_biGAWQz7qnwTXZ8NANDTuneUHPfOsFR-ld1h8 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, just got a couple of q's about Dueling dragons 1 - is there a separate queeue for each of the 2 dragons? 2 - Do they still time the rides to leave at the same time - I know=20 i've seen one similar coaster operates as two separate rides... Ta From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 31 05:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96667 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 13:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 13:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 13:58:47 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3vxN-0004N0-Hr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:54:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43DF6BFF.7080502@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:54:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060131051409.12484.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060131051409.12484.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce90f8fa3613a15a70f962faae4d5418902350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=xLE1vpJHq1jQEKQ_ju5omGTnMLKEhJBfWOgcWHHATlIum4c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash brian farral wrote: > -Filthy in all parts. (rooms, halls, etc) > -cheapest matresses i've ever seen (and remember, I > spend 3 nights a week in different hotels) > -Pillows were like sleeping on a wadded up tshirt > -looked like a dog had tried to chew up the thermostat > -moldy bathroom with broken tiles and paper thin > towels > -many ground floor rooms with sliding glass doors to > dark, unlit, secluded access road, read... very easy > to be broken into and no one would hear or see > -actually saw a prostitute entering through one of the > back entrances. (I mean, what else could she be > dressed like that?) > And with the likely exception of the Extended Stay hotel a block away, and maybe one or two others, that's generally what you're going to find in all of the the hotels near BGT. Hence why I strongly recommend NOT staying near the park. Now if only Brian had listened to me when I told him the first time... :P (JK with you Brian) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 31 05:59:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97941 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 13:59:05 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3w2B-0000Kq-E5 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <43DF6D29.9060308@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:59:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce940ff94598b37405e9ac30c07b28fdf38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3MvKSUP6GXFQDDQMszFnEqW8x_9Ck9uqcfVm-LC5ItkFB0I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > Hi, > > just got a couple of q's about Dueling dragons > > 1 - is there a separate queeue for each of the 2 dragons? Yes and no. They have the same queue for the most part up until just before the stations. At that point they split, with Fire to the left and Ice to the right (if I remember right). > > 2 - Do they still time the rides to leave at the same time - I know > i've seen one similar coaster operates as two separate rides... > Absolutely. Thankfully I don't think Universal would ever consider running them separately or not dueling. Now if only every park would that with their dueling and racing coasters. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From serpmage@juno.com Tue Jan 31 06:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1052 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0000 Received: from webmail03.lax.untd.com (webmail03.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.143]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB785WKAY6XAHS for (sender ); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail03.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LF23H4Z5; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:04:30 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail03.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:04:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:04:27 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060131.060430.19304.193310@webmail03.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:1363684182 X-MAIL-INFO:15dbdad3dfde63df9a73de4a634a2b077e9fcb5abe33bb93839f7e8b978713dfbb X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hACt/P1iNyVMNmNCMtGJ156izrUhM0u0t2Q== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.143|webmail03.lax.untd.com|webmail03.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orla ndo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=8da1u6kNUWSYAGVgxKTZRJ2wUo-JP4YghWIt7siBDeYyfzZWqg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Well, there are two lines, sort of. It's one entrance and for most of the = queue it's all one line, but the room just before the loading platform spli= ts you out into 2 lines, and about 10 feet from there you can make the choi= ce for front row or not. As far as synching up the rides, they try their best to keep them together = because they realize that it really adds to the ride by having them duel. = That being said, it's also not uncommon for the line to get pretty long and= they just push the trains through as fast as they can. However, even when= running in this mode, if the dispatches are close enough togehter, they ha= ve the ability to slow down one of the trains on the lift until the other o= ne catches up, and will synch them up that way. ~Tim N. ---------------------- Original Message: ---------------------- Hi, just got a couple of q's about Dueling dragons 1 - is there a separate queeue for each of the 2 dragons? 2 - Do they still time the rides to leave at the same time - I know=20 i've seen one similar coaster operates as two separate rides... Ta ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 31 06:11:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40958 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 14:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 14:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 14:11:23 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k0VEBAso023463 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:11:10 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:11:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:11:04 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 14:11:10.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FEDE3F0:01C62670] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=qSvOEYc7Mgzhb5ir0EKoHb3BYWshNuO76BZJZ8GjcVZosTeF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Welcome, Ann Marie! This is by far my favorite coaster board I've seen simply because=20=20 it's 99% news, with almost zero noise. As for "Final Destination", I have heard of it but not seen it. If I=20=20 weren't working 100 hours a week I would probably go to see it,=20=20 although I don't think it'll be very good. Still, sometimes a brain-=20 dead movie can be entertaining! Cameron. On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:46 AM, =BAo=BAAnn Marie Fowler wrote: > Hi all! I just joined for some news and reviews of the roller=20=20 > coaster rides at theme parks (Disney, Six Flaggs, Knott's, etc.)=20=20 > that the media don't tell us: > > I have a question so far: They're promoting a new movie (rated R=20=20 > for what I can tell gory/bloody violence, strong language.) "Final=20=20 > Desination 3" and I'm wonder if anyone has seen the promos on TV=20=20 > yet? If so, does anyone recongnize the park where the roller=20=20 > coaster scene takes place? > > I love to ride on them in certain extent btw; which I've been on=20=20 > just Space Mountain (before the new one), Big Thunder Mountain,=20=20 > Matterhorn, California Screamin' at Disneyland/DCA. Along with=20=20 > Collesus and (sp?), Revolution at Magic Mountain though it's been=20=20 > 15 years since I've been there. I've not been on any at Knott's or=20=20 > any other major theme park. > > Thanks! > Ann Marie > > > > Blessings and ttfn..... > =BAo=BAAnn Fowler-Ontario, So. Calif., USA > AIM, Ebay ID, and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak > MSN IM: disneyfreak777@hotmail.com > http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak > > > > > > >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 06:23:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74417 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 14:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 14:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.200) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 14:23:20 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so1263185nza for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.133.15 with SMTP id k15mr2478520qbn; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.122.3 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:23:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30601310623m4e2f38f9pa3283272385a5df3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:23:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=X3E8TqCskcKdtf5hZH4-HbVQAfMEr9LPk21dUQuIjRLLDSWL X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Everything I've heard says that the coaster is the corkscrew at Vancouver's Playland enhanced with CGI to make it resemble a larger right. Most likely merged images of that coaster with Viper at SFMM. From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jan 31 06:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19117 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 14:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 14:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 14:49:36 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0VEhpXV020102 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:43:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200601311443.k0VEhpXV020102@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43DF6BFF.7080502@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcYmbphLb5yOCbGYQGKhMduvS4y6bQABcZGg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: busch gardens - a couple of q's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=0-aTjz9CKjHR02gXbbGsZODLNmuhgUnftHrSS0NFbOPTGKs X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 The last time I went to BGT, I stayed at the Hilton Garden Inn Tampa North, just off of I75 and Fletcher Road. It was clean, well-kept, and far enough away from BGT that it should stay that way while being close enough to make it easy. I'd stay there again, and I'm pretty fussy when it comes to hotels. --Greg From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 09:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82966 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 17:14:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:05:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:05:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43DF6D29.9060308@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=VBMygzEJcXpgOAKU-qCY4_PY60zr7dT8Mz497w3niQGcECY46uwYWiw X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > daniel_roachus wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > just got a couple of q's about Dueling dragons > >=20 > > 1 - is there a separate queeue for each of the 2 dragons? >=20 > Yes and no. They have the same queue for the most part up until just=20 > before the stations. At that point they split, with Fire to the left=20 > and Ice to the right (if I remember right). > do you get to choose which to ride then? From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 09:34:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53135 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 17:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 23998 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 17:34:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060131173407.23996.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.218.59.38] by web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:34:07 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:34:07 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=72VSJu75hFvZAhbQ7m-ya3d8eHMeu05GXgUPQe8Wrp59vfiLlnlFzg X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi..Thanks Cameron! The movie isn't in theatres yet but I guess I'll see i= f I have time and a nice guy to go with. That's the same with going to any = theme parks btw.=20=20 =20=20=20 Ann Marie Cameron Silver wrote: =20=20 Welcome, Ann Marie! This is by far my favorite coaster board I've seen simply because=20=20 it's 99% news, with almost zero noise. As for "Final Destination", I have heard of it but not seen it. If I=20=20 weren't working 100 hours a week I would probably go to see it,=20=20 although I don't think it'll be very good. Still, sometimes a brain-=20 dead movie can be entertaining! Cameron. On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:46 AM, =BAo=BAAnn Marie Fowler wrote: > Hi all! I just joined for some news and reviews of the roller=20=20 > coaster rides at theme parks (Disney, Six Flaggs, Knott's, etc.)=20=20 > that the media don't tell us: > > I have a question so far: They're promoting a new movie (rated R=20=20 > for what I can tell gory/bloody violence, strong language.) "Final=20=20 > Desination 3" and I'm wonder if anyone has seen the promos on TV=20=20 > yet? If so, does anyone recongnize the park where the roller=20=20 > coaster scene takes place? > > I love to ride on them in certain extent btw; which I've been on=20=20 > just Space Mountain (before the new one), Big Thunder Mountain,=20=20 > Matterhorn, California Screamin' at Disneyland/DCA. Along with=20=20 > Collesus and (sp?), Revolution at Magic Mountain though it's been=20=20 > 15 years since I've been there. I've not been on any at Knott's or=20=20 > any other major theme park. > > Thanks! > Ann Marie > > > > Blessings and ttfn..... > =BAo=BAAnn Fowler-Ontario, So. Calif., USA > AIM, Ebay ID, and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak > MSN IM: disneyfreak777@hotmail.com > http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak > > > > > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 09:54:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26497 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 17:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 17:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 17:54:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:53:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:53:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Town's 'Growth Spurt' aided by Amusement Park, New Roads X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8lDhuvfziI8vu13UeBxsaogeBxcJVQrJWLmXWNwl4AnyC4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 30, 2006 KVIA-ABC http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4431354 SUNLAND PARK, NM. -- After years of slow growth, things in the once- small town of Sunland Park are rapidly changing. The small New Mexico=20 town, just a few miles west of El Paso is booming with new=20 developments and one large, relocated one. In just the past couple of weeks, several rides for the new Western=20 Playland Amusement Park have started to spring up across from Sunland=20 Park Racetrack and Casino. Amusement park owner Pat Thompson is nearly finished moving the park=20 from Ascarate to the new 60-acre site. According to Thompson, the=20 park scheduled to open in late May or early June. Making the new development possible is the completion of the new 4- lane Sunland Park Drive, which opened just a few weeks ago. Sunland=20 Park Racetrack officials say they're already seeing a difference in=20 traffic flow in the area. Eric Alwan, Sunland Park Racetrack spokepserson tells ABC-7, "I think=20 it's already had a very positive effect...because for many years the=20 road wasn't up to the high quality certainly we would have liked." Alwan calls the new road a "luxurious, 2-laner." He adds that, "I=20 think it's a lot better for our fans and makes for a much smoother=20 journey coming to Sunland Park." Also slated to help in easing the coming boom is the construction of=20 a new bridge in the area, connecting McNutt Road to Sunland Park=20 Drive. Additional plans call for a hotel, movie theater and shopping center=20 to be built in the Sunland Park area over the next few years. --------- Copyright 2002 - 2006 WorldNow and KVIA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 09:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21384 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 17:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 17:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 17:59:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:57:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 17:57:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:57:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tivoli extends season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AsDPUbhwrjBhLZQmGnES4ArRtK0jLasfTSDV_PoTK5m-llQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 JANUARY 30, 2006 International Herald Tribune Associated Press http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/30/news/travel31.php?rss COPENHAGEN, Sj=E6lland DK -- The Tivoli amusement park said Monday that=20 it would stay open in the autumn to coincide with students' weeklong=20 vacation. =20 The Copenhagen park is currently open from mid-April to mid-September.=20 Since 1994, Tivoli also has been open for a brief time in December,=20 with booths selling Christmas decorations. =20 In 2005, 3.2 million people visited the park during the summer and 1=20 million people in December. =20 The new 10-day season, starting Oct. 13, will have Halloween as a theme. -------- =A9 2006 the International Herald Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 10:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80520 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 18:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 18:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 18:07:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 18:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 18:04:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:04:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to $10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Gxk5sU0AuDz31ZR5bpI_Ob9Ea9q4fVGRjIKC0FhTlHWJ-O4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 31, 2006 The Post-Star http://www.poststar.com/story.asp?storyid=3D208860 By SCOTT DONNELLY & Charles Fiegl Lake George, NY -- The Great Escape has announced it is doubling the=20 parking fee it plans to charge visitors when the park opens this=20 spring - from $5 to $10 per car. The new parking fee, first announced in December, is just one of=20 several price changes in place at the park this year. The season parking pass, listed at $15 per pass when first announced=20 in early December, will now be $25, according to Jennifer Mance,=20 spokeswoman for the park. Mance said the new prices are reflective of leadership changes at the=20 park, which is owned by Six Flags Inc. The new leadership is at=20 corporate and local levels. "The decision to change our prices was a=20 business decision," Mance said Monday. "We have really been re- energized by the new management team, and they're committed to guest=20 service, improving training, improving facility maintenance,=20 recruitment and new entertainment, and the 6FGE wants to provide the=20 best possible experience in 2006 for our guests," Mance said Monday. In addition to the parking price increase, 6FGE's general admission=20 price rose from $36.99 last year to $39.99 this year. There are many=20 ways to save on those prices, however, according to Mance. She said bringing in a can of Coke, buying discount tickets at Price=20 Chopper, grabbing a coupon at Subway or purchasing "good any day"=20 tickets through local hotels, motels and campgrounds will give=20 visitors a $7 discount. Visitors also can get the $7 discount by buying the tickets online at=20 the 6F Web site, www.sixflags.com. Prices for youths, seniors and those who buy tickets after 4 p.m. are=20 also up - from $19.99 in 2005 to $24.99 this year. And the season=20 passes are $64.99, up $5 until June 18 when the price rises again to=20 $69.99, Mance said. Prices for group rates and catered outings are unchanged for 2006,=20 Mance said. ------- =A9 Copyright 2006 Lee Publications, Inc. DBA The Post-Star From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 31 10:10:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14745 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 18:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 18:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 18:10:18 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F3zwo-00029s-OI for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <43DFA7EC.60709@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:09:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce96b9376461f0e012b72ddb83f9ce32da6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PB1JBclslPmlvPvsZMXYW-G68UpE3XlJOtkY-I5hSHMaIVo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: > > > > daniel_roachus wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > just got a couple of q's about Dueling dragons > > > > > > 1 - is there a separate queeue for each of the 2 dragons? > > > > Yes and no. They have the same queue for the most part up until just > > before the stations. At that point they split, with Fire to the left > > and Ice to the right (if I remember right). > > > > do you get to choose which to ride then? > Yes, when you choose whether you go to the left or the right. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From serpmage@juno.com Tue Jan 31 10:19:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55964 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 18:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 18:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 18:19:48 -0000 Received: from webmail49.lax.untd.com (webmail49.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.189]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB79KD3AHM5NVJ for (sender ); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail49.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LF3GPCMT; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:54:33 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail49.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:53:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:53:29 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060131.095433.706.117902@webmail49.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4109154800 X-MAIL-INFO:5b60a114b9bdd5b9f5f5bd09d509b485b5343d30743811104534b5e9017d25b911 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABHz9BwEaO5TcnKOPNoT0EK1mLEZbzHf1A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.189|webmail49.lax.untd.com|webmail49.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question: Dueling dragons at univcersal orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=7SvCYGTAR80DEWHHI6xJarR2WdjX5XXnS0CTMa9DiU1rY1e0bA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Yeah, it's entirely up to you. ~Tim N. --------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > Yes and no. They have the same queue for the most part up until just=20 > before the stations. At that point they split, with Fire to the left=20 > and Ice to the right (if I remember right). > do you get to choose which to ride then? ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Feb 01 04:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21662 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 12:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 12:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 12:48:19 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.2b5.3cfe01a (15886) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-35-116.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.35.116]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e43e0a70a3c4; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:18:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:18:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E0A70A.5040902@aol.com> References: <20060131064638.80564.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.35.116 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=EcVwT3BFQ6d3CT4B9S82ZtrLaDpitu1bVKMXbkzxbVC7pzodbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo =BAo=BAAnn Marie Fowler wrote on 1/31/2006, 1:46 AM: > Hi all! I just joined for some news and reviews of the roller coaster > rides at theme parks (Disney, Six Flaggs, Knott's, etc.) that the > media don't tell us: > > I have a question so far: They're promoting a new movie (rated R > for what I can tell gory/bloody violence, strong language.) "Final > Desination 3" and I'm wonder if anyone has seen the promos on TV yet? > If so, does anyone recongnize the park where the roller coaster scene > takes place? > > I love to ride on them in certain extent btw; which I've been on > just Space Mountain (before the new one), Big Thunder Mountain, > Matterhorn, California Screamin' at Disneyland/DCA. Along with > Collesus and (sp?), Revolution at Magic Mountain though it's been 15 > years since I've been there. I've not been on any at Knott's or any > other major theme park. > > Thanks! > Ann Marie Welcome aboard! The coaster in Final Destination 3 is Corkscrew at Playland in=20 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It was filmed with that coaster=20 along with a lot of computer manipulation. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw!" From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 01 11:45:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40672 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 19:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 19:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 19:45:35 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so3080uge for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1796151nfg; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:44:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:44:28 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601281638.AA1518600248@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=7LCHt7X4T67evj_MgI8NKhDuhB6Q5Jt6vh6Yuvr_ww6CgBiCAAhdboA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It seems like if they really wanted to save money, they'd eliminate the > New York office and keep the Oklahoma base. As I've said time and > time again, you can't run a park unless you're IN it. That would make sense if Six Flags was running just one park. But that's obviously not the case, so I fail to see how locating the corporate offices next to (or in) one specific park helps the greater chain. It's not like the individual parks don't have on-site management. > Good point. How are you going to run an amusement park chain from an > office in Manhattan? Probably the same way every other major chain (be it amusement parks, sales, or merchendising) manages to run their operation from Manhattan. > OK, all those who think that this move will lead to better management > of the parks themselves, raise your hands. Didn't think so. To be honest, I doubt we'll even notice a difference. I obviously agree with Adam and Mike on this. Individual management of the parks needs to be in the hands of the on-site management (that is, the park's general manager and directors). Corporate has plenty of other things to worry about, which (IMO) can be accomplished much more efficiently in a city like Manhattan. -Nate Holy *$&^%, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 01 13:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79987 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 21:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 21:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 21:29:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:28:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ride-safety group meets at Pavilion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oWtMXEo97s3X1lcVChGx8iHbq28IW4B-fA0UmeN-yXqhtng X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 01, 2006 The Sun News Myrtle Beach On-line http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/137619 55.htm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dmyrtlebeachonline_business By Dawn Bryant Myrtle Beach, SC -- Typically, people aren't this excited to see a=20 bumper car flipped over at The Myrtle Beach Pavilion Amusement Park.=20 But Tuesday, bumper cars on their side and 11 other stripped-down=20 rides were a field day for a national group of ride officials meeting=20 in Myrtle Beach. About 280 inspectors, insurance folks and park owners poked and=20 peeked at the inner workings of The Hurricane, the Tilt-a-Whirl,=20 Wipeout and 8 other rides. They used one of Myrtle Beach's most recognizable landmarks to brush=20 up on the nuts and bolts of their industry - literally. There was=20 also talk of wheel bearings, lap lockdowns and other mechanical lingo=20 the average park-goer rarely thinks about. Why should you care? Participants say these hands-on exercises help=20 keep parks safer by helping those inspecting the rides and running=20 them stay up to speed. "Any time you have machines or mechanics, you=20 are going to have problems," said Terry Hennessee of the Oklahoma=20 Department of Labor and an instructor in the training. "But the more=20 you learn and communicate with each other, the better off you are." The hands-on training is a favorite part of the annual conference of=20 the National Association of Amusement Ride Safety Officials, which is=20 talking shop at Springmaid Beach Resort through Thursday. The group always includes a hands-on component during its conference=20 and has had similar outings at Disney World in Orlando, Fla., and at=20 Kings Island in Ohio. "It's one thing to sit in a classroom and talk=20 about stuff," said Joe Gallagher, the group's president and a worker=20 with the New York State Department of Labor. "Once you get people out=20 and looking at it, they start talking about it." The Pavilion, closed for the offseason, provided the perfect=20 backdrop, said Jack Silar of Midway Management Services in=20 Pennsylvania. "The Pavilion is ideal because it has a variety of=20 equipment, from kiddies to coasters," he said. "That's the type of=20 facility we like." The Pavilion might not be around if the group should return, however. Park owner Burroughs & Chapin Co. Inc. is considering replacing the=20 59-y.o. park with a mix of attractions that would lure people=20 downtown year-round. B&C, working with the city's Downtown Redevelopment Corp., is waiting=20 for recommendations on what to put in those 11 acres from Charleston=20 consulting firm LS3P. ------------ Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 01 13:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50618 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 21:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 21:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 21:54:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 21:53:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 21:53:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:53:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Welcome to Follywood USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bhID6zcAB3Evxj_qpi_uZ_FIZtzoQV_HvmoMPYL7D8OnACI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 1, 2006 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06020102.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Let's open up a theme park! Why not? Everyone else seems bent on selling the ones they've got.=20 The Paramount Parks chain officially went on the block last week, and=20 Six Flags also announced that it will be selling 2 more of its parks=20 at the end of the telltale summer season. It's a buyer's market with=20 that kind of listing frenzy, so the prices are bound to be better=20 than fair. Let's start passing the hat around. Kick in some coin if you're ready=20 for a Motley Fool amusement park - or at least give us a verbal=20 commitment to buying annual passes for you and yours. This won't be just any kind of gated attraction. Sure, we'll have=20 some neat rides, great eats, and showy entertainment, but if we're=20 going to do this, we may as well theme it right. Get ready to ride Picture an oasis of controlled mayhem, wondrous enchantment, and=20 shiny turnstiles. Can you picture the giant jester cap serving as the=20 iconic hub to thrills and frills galore? Oh, we'll get the coolest=20 themed rides. You know, things like: * The Brokerage Shop of Horrors, where guests ride around in the dark=20 as menacing self-serving brokers churn your car around until you're=20 spun dizzy. It won't be just your head that comes out a little light,=20 cupcake. * The Maven-Go-Round, which will have you going in circles as=20 magnetic market moguls change their minds at a frenetic pace. Don't=20 even try to grab that brass ring, kid. It's never going to be in the=20 same place twice. * The Fare's Wheel. This one starts off as a gentle ride through=20 serene sightlines and swooping vistas, but then the gondolas start=20 rocking. Mutual fund managers who either trade ahead of their account=20 holders or have the gall to peddle chunky loads on top of subpar- performing vehicles sway you violently. Try not to hurl on the poor=20 saps waiting to ride below. Sure, apart from the mayhem they inflict, the rides will pack an=20 educational punch. Just make sure you grab yourself a map on the way=20 in to find everything. You don't want to get lost in the splendor of=20 sarcasm or miss out on the irony-flavored ice cream. How to get around Like most parks, we'll have various themed areas. In honor of our=20 popular newsletters, let's doll up the areas according to our various=20 analysts. Stock Advisor Street is where your adventure begins. You'll quickly=20 notice that both sides of the street are endearing in their own way=20 but vastly different. David Gardner's side features futuristic=20 buildings and a whole lot of cool concept art, while Tom Gardner's=20 side is loaded with quality architecture that's built to last. When=20 you see these sights, you'll know why Stock Advisor has done so well=20 with its co-advisors' two distinct approaches to investing and why=20 each one has crushed Wall Street's averages. Yes, this was the=20 newsletter that recommended picking up some Marvel Entertainment when=20 the comic book character empire was fetching a mere $3.47 a share on=20 a split-adjusted basis 4 summers ago. Durell Falls will showcase rides that folks don't seem to be lining=20 up in droves for these days, even though those attractions still=20 provide an enriching experience. I'm talking retro stuff here, like=20 whips and flume rides that are still a whole lot of fun. Come on=20 over, and you'll see how Philip Durell has helped guide the bargain- hunting investor to market-thumping results at Inside Value. Some of=20 these rides aren't only cheap and timeless but also likely to come=20 back into favor. You know, like GTECH Holdings. Durell singled out=20 the online lottery systems provider 9 months ago, when attention was=20 sparse. It is trading 48% higher today. Brokamp Mountain - yes, Brokamp Mountain; check the map - features=20 lemonade-sippers in comfy rocking chairs and some other folks=20 lounging in beach chairs and drinking more potent libations - ones=20 with the little frilly umbrellas sticking out. Robert Brokamp's Rule=20 Your Retirement crowd knows that the golden years aren't often this=20 idyllic. That's why the subscribers consist of a cross-section of=20 folks who are either already retired or are just forward-thinking=20 investors who want to make sure that they're in good shape when they=20 do retire. Park guests will feel a sense of control and tranquility=20 as they stroll through the area. Don't forget to try some of that=20 mint julep taffy and corn bread casserole. Emmertsville will have some of the longest lines in the park. That's=20 OK. The guests don't mind at all, because they're actually getting=20 paid to wait in line! Yes, Mathew Emmert's Income Investor fans know=20 that big dividends reward patient shareholders. Mathew's also got a=20 knack for finding companies that keep hiking their payouts. One of=20 his newsletter picks - and one I own a stake in - is regional=20 amusement park operator Cedar Fair, which has raised its dividend a=20 dozen times over the past 10 years. But you're on notice, Cedar Fair:=20 Follywood USA means business! Hidden Gems Overlook won't even be on the map, but you'd be wise to=20 track this section down. It's where Tom Gardner and his Motley Fool=20 Hidden Gems team of analysts scour the markets for promising shadow=20 stocks. One of the newsletter's biggest winners is a company by the=20 name of Middleby. You may still not be familiar with the company,=20 even though it's been a 5-bagger since Tom's initial recommendation=20 in the fall of 2003. The company makes commercial ovens, and we'll=20 make sure that the Hidden Gems Overlook Pizzeria has a Middleby oven=20 or two baking away. Attractions in this section of the park - if you=20 can find it - will include gold panning, treasure hunting, and a=20 geocaching paintball adventure on inline skates for the hardcore=20 diggers. Zimmerman Heights will offer variety in a single wallop. The=20 restaurant will be an international smorgasbord, and the store stocks=20 a little bit of everything. Shannon Zimmerman's Champion Funds=20 members, after all, appreciate getting some breadth with a single=20 purchase. That's the great thing about mutual fund investing - as=20 long as you're buying the right funds. And that's what Shannon is all=20 about. Rule Breaker Ridge is my kind of place, with the wildest rides. Here,=20 ultimate growth investing is always on the menu, courtesy of the Rule=20 Breakers newsletter experience. The coasters here certainly have=20 their ups and downs. It's where the stocks of tomorrow - like=20 consumer robotics innovator iRobot and satellite radio pioneer XM=20 Satellite Radio - get singled out early in their cycles of defiance. If you build it, they will fund Haven't persuaded you yet? Did I mention the fried Twinkies? How=20 about the dunk tank, where we get clowns dressed up as market gurus=20 (like those on CNBC, only a lot wetter)? Yes, I can already sense you=20 reaching for the atlas to start mapping your way to Follywood USA. It's going to be pretty neat. Now the only question that remains is=20 whether Six Flags or Paramount will lower their asking price enough=20 for me to scoop up one of those parks for the change in my pocket and=20 the inspiration in your heart. -------- =A91995-2006 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 01 14:10:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1250 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 22:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 22:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 22:10:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 22:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2006 22:10:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:09:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=epGvZ0CiMywyGPBwF1IikpHznjL8EAauDlJkts5HHzHQ9zM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 1, 2006 The Courier-Journal http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060201/BUSINESS/602010400/-1/rss By David Goetz Louisville, KY -- Six Flags CEO Mark Shapiro stopped his tour of=20 Kentucky Kingdom yesterday at a rope-climbing attraction that cost=20 park goers an extra $3. When he asked how much money it brought in last year, a park=20 executive produced a 5-digit figure. "Make it free," Shapiro=20 said. "This is just something we don't need to nickel and dime people=20 on." Shapiro, a former head of programming for ESPN, was getting his first=20 look at 6FKK after taking on the top job at 6F in December. He was=20 there to evaluate the park, rally employees behind efforts to improve=20 operations and spread 6F's new mantra of being family-friendly. 6FKK fans won't see new thrill rides for a while, but Shapiro is=20 promising them a smoke-free atmosphere with more free shows, more=20 chances for their kids to get a hug from Bugs Bunny and guaranteed=20 cleaner restrooms with full-time attendants. The park will be swarming with costumed characters from the Looney=20 Tunes lineup, along with Batman, Robin and other comic-book heroes. 6FKK fan Jonathan Fields, 17, of Okolona, said he and his friends=20 will welcome the changes. "They've needed improvements over there for=20 many years," said Jonathan, a student at Manual High. "Lots of people=20 say the employees generally don't care and it leads to longer lines." He said that 6F will be able to add "bigger and better rides down the=20 road" and that he's not turned off by the prospect of more costumed=20 characters and kiddie rides. "You come to an amusement park to be in=20 a different world," Jonathan said. "Otherwise it's just a parking lot=20 with a bunch of roller coasters on it." Attendance was good at nearly 850,000 last year, Shapiro said, but=20 the park last topped 1 million in 2001. "Crowds are going to come=20 back for the characters, back for the rides and back for the family=20 entertainment, and that's the emphasis of 6FKK," Shapiro said. "It's=20 a park that can draw nearly a million visitors a year (now), and=20 we're going to improve our product so we never dip below that million=20 mark again." It's part of a companywide strategy to spruce up the 6F image,=20 broaden its appeal and improve revenues while limiting capital=20 investment and paying down debt. Last week Shapiro announced plans to=20 sell 6F's Oklahoma City parks and move its headquarters from Oklahoma=20 City to New York. "Oh, you're killing me," Shapiro groaned when told=20 the 6-figure cost of repairing the park's 3 catering tents. He=20 relented when he learned the sales department had already booked a=20 third of its average yearly catering business. Shapiro also agreed to=20 a costly new paint job for Chang, the park's signature standup roller=20 coaster. But it's not all about giving at the new 6FKK. The park is=20 eliminating its senior-citizen discounts, and Shapiro wouldn't rule=20 out ticket price increases or surcharges for some attractions. He also put a heavy emphasis on retailing within the park. "You can't=20 go anywhere in Disneyland without getting an ice cream or a water or=20 a Coke in your face - anywhere," he said, and pointed out good spots=20 for drink carts and pizza stands as he toured the grounds. He was scheduled to meet with Papa John's executives yesterday about=20 a possible sponsorship arrangement. Shapiro said he's not afraid of alienating the park's base of teen=20 thrill riders with its softer image. "I'm looking to stretch the=20 brand," he said. "When I grew up at 6F Great America in Chicago,=20 that's what it was. It was half family, half teenagers. I think over=20 the last few years we've gotten away from that too much." ---------- Copyright 2005 The Courier-Journal From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Feb 01 23:31:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39620 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 07:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 07:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 07:31:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 07:29:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 07:29:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:29:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=W8FvOljtlsARv24umsR36_nH7rG0J3C16dSWtivasC28m00Uxw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > February 1, 2006 > The Courier-Journal > http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? > AID=3D/20060201/BUSINESS/602010400/-1/rss > By David Goetz >=20 >=20 > Louisville, KY -- Six Flags CEO Mark Shapiro stopped his tour of=20 > Kentucky Kingdom yesterday. > > 6FKK fans won't see new thrill rides for a while, but Shapiro is=20 > promising them a smoke-free atmosphere with more free shows, more=20 > chances for their kids to get a hug from Bugs Bunny and guaranteed=20 > cleaner restrooms with full-time attendants. >=20 > The park will be swarming with costumed characters from the Looney=20 > Tunes lineup, along with Batman, Robin and other comic-book heroes. Wow, how long has 6F been running both the DC Comics AND Looney Tunes licences? I can't believe what a simple idea this was. I used to see the occasional Looney Tune costume character around the park, but to not use that to it's fullest and ignore the option of meeting Superman Batman was crazy!=20 Sad news for thrill seekers though, no new thrill rides any time soon.=20 Chris B From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Feb 02 06:58:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82349 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 14:58:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 32615 invoked by uid 99); 2 Feb 2006 14:57:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060202145733.32614.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 2 Feb 2006 08:57:33 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=jHQrcLrartfd3_GixB8NHvAvS7KvlzhfDWAHhqOpR4AWGzLN X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Could it be that he does not want to invest in it because he might put it up for sale or close it? When I visited the park late in July, 2003, its operation left a lot to be desired -- a number of rides not operating, many of the shops and food stands were not open and groundskeeping/maintenance were the poorest of any of the eight Six Flags park I had visited. > > Louisville, KY -- Six Flags CEO Mark Shapiro stopped his tour of > > Kentucky Kingdom yesterday. > > > > 6FKK fans won't see new thrill rides for a while, but Shapiro is > > promising them a smoke-free atmosphere with more free shows, more > > chances for their kids to get a hug from Bugs Bunny and guaranteed > > cleaner restrooms with full-time attendants. Dave Rounds From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Feb 02 07:37:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67446 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 15:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 15:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 15:37:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 15:36:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 15:36:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:36:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=p7FYPfMRTx0lTG4TsYdeSWwSL1zB7I5DP3cy1IaFHsw8Wcg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Some good, some bad, but this one thing right at the begining really caught my eye: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Louisville, KY -- Six Flags CEO Mark Shapiro stopped his tour of=20 > Kentucky Kingdom yesterday at a rope-climbing attraction that cost=20 > park goers an extra $3. >=20 > When he asked how much money it brought in last year, a park=20 > executive produced a 5-digit figure. "Make it free," Shapiro=20 > said. "This is just something we don't need to nickel and dime people=20 > on." So he's going to make the wall climb free? I thought that part of the reason it was an upcharge was because of it's extremely limited capacity, and it was one way to help control and monitor that. Guess not. Just seems to me like it would now have a rather long line and wait time for something where the minor cost actually served a couple of benefits- keep the lines and wiating time down while also bringing in some extra money. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 02 08:11:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10230 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 16:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 16:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 16:11:23 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so21376ugf for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.33.17 with SMTP id l17mr172364nfj; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:01:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:01:21 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=SEwwfK7jPvF-jyITXE62z-yAL4a7ZPEpV7FJgPATaujBmEo3muuz-WY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > When he asked how much money it brought in last year, a park > executive produced a 5-digit figure. "Make it free," Shapiro > said. "This is just something we don't need to nickel and dime people > on." Right, because this is the same guy who has made SFMM the most expenive park in the LA area and has doubled parking prices all across the chain. But thank God the rope-climbing attraction is free! > "Lots of people > say the employees generally don't care and it leads to longer > lines." Understatement of the year. > "You come to an amusement park to be in > a different world," Jonathan said. "Otherwise it's just a parking lot > with a bunch of roller coasters on it." Hmm, I thought that's what SFKK was going for. ;-) > Shapiro also agreed to > a costly new paint job for Chang, the park's signature standup > roller > coaster. Now *this* is good news. That ride has looked terrible for several years n= ow. > But it's not all about giving at the new 6FKK. The park is > eliminating its senior-citizen discounts, and Shapiro wouldn't rule > out ticket price increases or surcharges for some attractions. "This is just something we don't need to nickel and dime people on."=20 Oh, wait. :-) Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of what these guys are doing is great. But let's not pretend that "family value" is part of their strategy. -Nate Holy $#&*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Feb 02 08:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51433 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 16:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 16:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 16:28:39 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k12GR1AL003939 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:27:36 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:27:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <05DDA241-2AB6-44A6-82CD-5CFF573DE243@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:26:54 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 16:27:01.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F1B07E0:01C62815] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags CEO unveils Kentucky Kingdom goals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ZM3korY5ozszmZZ77ZIzHI47rURWWJy1dvV7_ON1yNRBtIIW X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> When he asked how much money it brought in last year, a park >> executive produced a 5-digit figure. "Make it free," Shapiro >> said. "This is just something we don't need to nickel and dime people >> on." > > Right, because this is the same guy who has made SFMM the most > expenive park in the LA area and has doubled parking prices all across > the chain. But thank God the rope-climbing attraction is free! Don't forget the new FREE MAPS at Six Flags Great America! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Feb 02 09:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17018 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 17:45:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 17:45:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:45:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: NEWS: Mr. Six's real identity is.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=mF7ISUXLORln4rLqvabFYq5JKtOnE3ocW7I7iXHPa6MMH2s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Found this on a blog today, and thought that some of you might be interested. You can see the entire write up at: http://www.pauldavidson.net/2006/02/01/mr-six-revealed/ But here's the important, relevant part: Although I cannot reveal my sources currently (although if put in jail and forced to release them I may give them up since I like homemade meals too much to miss out on them), I can reveal to you once and for all that it has been confirmed that the official, true identity of one Mr. Six is none other than: Queer Eye for the Straight Girl's Danny Teeson From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77268 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.92) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 21:07:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 14123 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 21:07:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060202210735.14121.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.217.50] by web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:07:35 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43E0A70A.5040902@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=ZWPdvGha1l_9ncLRZ8y53rF6x3uQrAvnX_IW2w5bsDvSwz1Oy5V2vA X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi..please tell me more about the place Playland? Is it a major theme park = out there in Vancouver? Website? Thanks again! Ann Marie Nathan Brown wrote: =20=20 =BAo=BAAnn Marie Fowler wrote on 1/31/2006, 1:46 AM: > Hi all! I just joined for some news and reviews of the roller coaster > rides at theme parks (Disney, Six Flaggs, Knott's, etc.) that the > media don't tell us: > > I have a question so far: They're promoting a new movie (rated R > for what I can tell gory/bloody violence, strong language.) "Final > Desination 3" and I'm wonder if anyone has seen the promos on TV yet? > If so, does anyone recongnize the park where the roller coaster scene > takes place? > > I love to ride on them in certain extent btw; which I've been on > just Space Mountain (before the new one), Big Thunder Mountain, > Matterhorn, California Screamin' at Disneyland/DCA. Along with > Collesus and (sp?), Revolution at Magic Mountain though it's been 15 > years since I've been there. I've not been on any at Knott's or any > other major theme park. > > Thanks! > Ann Marie Welcome aboard! The coaster in Final Destination 3 is Corkscrew at Playland in=20 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It was filmed with that coaster=20 along with a lot of computer manipulation. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw!" Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 Blessings and ttfn..... =BAo=BAAnn Fowler-Ontario, So. Calif., USA=20=20 AIM, Ebay ID, and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak MSN IM: disneyfreak777@hotmail.com http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak =20 =09=09 --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Feb 02 13:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67956 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 21:44:16 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so678337wra for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.200.9 with SMTP id c9mr860131qbq; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.122.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30602021343l762044cr4713362ceb675c66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:43:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060202210735.14121.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43E0A70A.5040902@aol.com> <20060202210735.14121.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=1ujy48w_lFQ_B9nFY2d2LyucbU0b62VwwKhgz8fsoeAZq1_e X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 2/2/06, =BAo=BAAnn Marie Fowler wrote: > Hi..please tell me more about the place Playland? Is it a major theme par= k out there in Vancouver? Website? Thanks again! > Ann Marie Not really major per-se... but it's basically the only park up there. It's part of the fairgrounds. Great classic wooden coaster. Because it's in Vancouver, it seems to end up on film almost as often as the SoCal coasters. http://www.rcdb.com/pd81.htm From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 02 13:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89559 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 21:50:22 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so11220ugf for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.218.10 with SMTP id q10mr270581nfg; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:39:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:39:11 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060202210735.14121.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43E0A70A.5040902@aol.com> <20060202210735.14121.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=P3K3uxzqtriuxH5OsvFSGU0fgOPkVzFUzdODPm_B9as0nSgy3PmEO6k X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Hi..please tell me more about the place Playland? Is it a major theme > park out there in Vancouver? Website? Thanks again! No, it's a pretty small park. You can check out http://www.rcdb.com/pd81.htm for pictures and information, or the park's official site is http://www.pne.ca/playland. If you're looking for general information on specific parks or roller coasters, www.rcdb.com is a great place to start. -Nate Holy &(*%^, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 14:15:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98156 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 22:15:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 22:15:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 22:14:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:14:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=MkyUjJ9vDUAeCyYmhAbLtMyPd15tvmdSGTooC2x3szJZ37OPwc1i X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > > Hi..please tell me more about the place Playland? Is it a major=20 > theme park out there in Vancouver? Website? Thanks again! > No, it's a pretty small park.=20 It's fairly small and has zero theming, essentially just located on a=20 parking lot on the fairgrounds. That said, I found it to be well-run=20 and the workers there were all friendly. They have one classic wooden=20 coaster (conveniently called "Coaster") that gives you loads of airtime=20 and a decent selection of off-the-shelf rides. One of these rides is=20 the Vekoma Corkscrew featured in the film; you can see it here: http://www.rcdb.com/ig319.htm It's not really all that great of a ride, but Playland is an enjoyable=20 place to visit if you're in Vancouver. It's the only amusement park in=20 British Columbia. Vancouver is a very nice city with a lot to recommend=20 in it. It's got a very cosmopolitan feel without being huge. The=20 provincial capital of Victoria is very much worth a visit, too, with a=20 very British feel to the city and the stunning Butchart Gardens, a=20 beautiful botanical collection built into a former quarry. > If you're looking for general information on specific parks or roller > coasters, www.rcdb.com is a great place to start. I can't recommend www.rcdb.com highly enough. It's very complete, and=20 you can use it to find information on parks all around the world, or=20 you might even find something small you didn't know about nearby. I use=20 it as my first source of information on parks and coasters. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 14:54:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84571 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 22:54:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 22:54:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:54:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yIg_73OjMLt6yrUvnDN6DjgXo7_JZw6YvGjNpn_foCa3J1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: >SNIP > I can't recommend www.rcdb.com highly enough. It's very complete, and=20 > you can use it to find information on parks all around the world, or=20 > you might even find something small you didn't know about nearby. I=20 use=20 > it as my first source of information on parks and coasters. > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com And a few of our members are regular contributars. I'm so proud of our boys! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 15:05:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6165 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 23:05:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 23:04:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 23:04:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:04:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Angry crowds storm Disneyland over ticket row X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4WUYSHmIR7lfQK-6aQD1gHytHNTVp4RD7KG_PJPM9OCgMp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 2, 2006 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News HONG KONG, China -- Angry scenes shattered the holiday mood at Hong=20 Kong Disneyland as hundreds of ticket-holders rushed the gates after=20 being told the park was full, according to officials and TV reports. Scores of visitors, many of them mainland Chinese visiting the resort=20 during the Lunar New Year holiday week, scaled the sharp railings of=20 the locked gates to get to rides while others scuffled with staff. Cable television showed security guards looking on helplessly as the=20 irate crowd, most of whom had paid 300 dollars (38 US) for their=20 entry tickets, surged towards the 3-billion dollar amusement park. The scenes of mayhem followed heated arguments the day before between=20 HKD officials and visitors after the new ticketing scheme left=20 hundreds stranded outside. The "flexible" ticket system allows customers to visit any time=20 within a 6-month period but does not guarantee entry on days when the=20 park is full. The HK government, which owns 57% of the park, expressed concern. "We=20 are concerned that this advance sales arrangement has caused a lot of=20 inconvenience to guests who could not enter the HKD yesterday or=20 today," a spokesman said. "We consider that there are areas for improvement such as the=20 ticketing and guest entry arrangements. We have reflected these=20 concerns to the senior management of the theme park and requested=20 them to make improvements." The theme park said it had extended opening hours and suspended=20 Internet bookings in response to the high demand. Executive VP Bill Ernest expressed regret that guests were turned=20 away. "But, to ensure guest safety and preserve the unique guest=20 experience, we have had to limit guest entry at certain times," he=20 said in a statement. The ticket chaos is the latest setback for HKD, which opened to huge=20 fanfare in September. A row over plans to serve shark's fin soup at its restaurants=20 prompted an international outcry from conservationists. The plan was=20 dropped. The park also ran into trouble with labour leaders after staff=20 complained of being overworked and underpaid. The company refuses to reveal attendance figures for the park, which=20 has a daily capacity of 30,000. Since opening it has only publicly declared itself sold out on 8=20 days, despite cutting entry prices for local visitors over the=20 Christmas period. ------- =A9 2006 Agence France Presse =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 15:21:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 802 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 23:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2006 23:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 23:21:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2006 23:21:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:21:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Yo-ho, yo-ho - Disney to update Pirates ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=t5gNzNkB9nvshq6WaVMnHkLP-dCWeula1NOb9Ice_1aHkbI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 2 2006 Sun-Sentinel http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-bk- pirates020206,0,4885526.story?coll=3Dsfla-features- food&track=3Dmostemailedlink By Scott Powers Orlando, FL -- Pirates of the Caribbean, a mainstay ride at Magic=20 Kingdom since 1973 and at Disneyland since 1967, will close for 3-4=20 months this spring so it can be updated. Disney wants to add characters from the PotC movies, including Jack=20 Sparrow, the Johnny Depp character, in time for the July 7 release of=20 the sequel, PotC: Dead Man's Chest. Disney also plans to update some=20 of the special effects. The rides are closing and the changes are being made at both WDW and=20 DL. The ride spawned the first movie, PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl in=20 2003. Now the movie, and its sequel are changing the ride, Disney=20 officials said. In addition to Sparrow, his nemesis Barbossa and the=20 ghostly character Davey Jones from Dead Man's Chest will be worked=20 into the ride. "The creative legacy of PotC has come full circle with=20 the attraction initially inspiring our highly successful film=20 franchise and now the films inspiring exciting additions to the=20 attraction itself," Dick Cook, chairman of The Walt Disney Studios,=20 stated in a press release. Walt Disney supervised creation of the ride at DL and it premiered=20 March 18, 1967. The ride was opened at WDW's Magic Kingdom Dec. 15,=20 1973. The ride features a slow boat ride through caverns populated by=20 singing, brawling and menacing robotic pirates and other characters. ---------- Copyright 2006, Sun-Sentinel Co. & South Florida Interactive Inc. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 01:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18612 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 09:44:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 09:42:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 09:42:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 09:42:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New Member w/ ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=S9yKCHStBVeG2AVKR1zqPw0W-4jb8kEdTIzrv0N_CtZnNFORVw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 > wrote: > > > > > Hi..please tell me more about the place Playland? Is it a major=20 > > theme park out there in Vancouver? Website? Thanks again! >=20 > > No, it's a pretty small park.=20 >=20 > It's fairly small and has zero theming, essentially just located on a=20 > parking lot on the fairgrounds. That said, I found it to be well-run=20 > and the workers there were all friendly. They have one classic wooden=20 > coaster (conveniently called "Coaster") that gives you loads of airtime=20 > and a decent selection of off-the-shelf rides. One of these rides is=20 > the Vekoma Corkscrew featured in the film; you can see it here: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig319.htm >=20 > It's not really all that great of a ride, but Playland is an enjoyable=20 > place to visit if you're in Vancouver. It's the only amusement park in=20 > British Columbia. Vancouver is a very nice city with a lot to recommend=20 > in it. It's got a very cosmopolitan feel without being huge. The=20 > provincial capital of Victoria is very much worth a visit, too, with a=20 > very British feel to the city and the stunning Butchart Gardens, a=20 > beautiful botanical collection built into a former quarry. >=20 > > If you're looking for general information on specific parks or roller > > coasters, www.rcdb.com is a great place to start. >=20 > I can't recommend www.rcdb.com highly enough. It's very complete, and=20 > you can use it to find information on parks all around the world, or=20 > you might even find something small you didn't know about nearby. I use=20 > it as my first source of information on parks and coasters. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com I'd have to agree with everything he said about both Victoria and Vancouver. They are two of my favorite port visits in 14 years in the navy. Sadly, I was in Vancouver in January, so no Playland for me, but I got to see the hometown Canucks wipe the visiting Redwings off the ice!=20 >And a few of our members are regular contributars. >I'm so proud of our boys! > >-Alan Thanks, Alan, I'm glad someone noticed! (I'm still stuck at #9 most contributed pictures to the site, and Duane says I can catch #8 soon, but I'll probably never get much higher than that.) :( Chris Belson From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 01:53:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36592 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 09:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 09:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 09:53:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 09:52:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 09:52:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:52:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.131.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Angry crowds storm Disneyland over ticket row X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Gh0m0YJ7MvsIK9-LvHLJ-itQx0OV19MB5ro1FmG5zFdD_2GPUw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Feb 2, 2006 > Agence France Presse > Yahoo! News >=20 >=20 > HONG KONG, China -- Angry scenes shattered the holiday mood at Hong=20 > Kong Disneyland as hundreds of ticket-holders rushed the gates after=20 > being told the park was full, according to officials and TV reports. I've seen pictures of this. Disney may have made an even bigger blunder in China than they did in France with this one! The parents were passing their children over the fences. The TV station described it as "throwing" them over. All-in-all, it's been a very ugly week. 8 straight days of capasity crowds, with "rioting" yesterday and today when folks started to be barred entry.=20 From what I understand, many folks only get to travel this week and couldn't get the date specific tickets for the day(s) they wanted.=20 This is the result. Ouch.=20 This is worse than late last summer when crowding was so bad that people were reportedly peeing in fountains! Who wants to bet me this park doesn't start getting MAJOR expansion efforts in the next 12 months?=20 Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 09:55:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64515 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 17:55:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 11:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2006 17:54:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:54:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Job of the Day - Six Flags Marketing Research X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=StMNdDMWMUJdJaipu8i3TJdb6gaDV_91GJ-XytFT0DzT7oI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/3/2006 WOAI News 4 http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3DF063E3A8-BB7B- 407E-AB30-0935D74C7855 Posted By: CyberBob Looking for fun and excitement? Then Six Flags Theme Parks is looking=20 for you! The purpose of this position is to conduct field research=20 for all marketing research projects, which includes the Attendance=20 Tracking System. Duties and responsibilities include conducting field=20 research and completing research paperwork. 6F has many jobs and a variety of different duties associated with=20 each of these jobs... Admission Host/Hostess & Guest Relations: The purpose of this=20 position is to provide prompt and pleasant service to our guests.=20 Duties and responsibilities include park pricing, performing various=20 duties such as seller, greeter, group ticket sales and concert ticket=20 sales, and cash handling. Animal Control/Training: The purpose of this position is to maintain=20 and handle animals within the Park and create positive interactions=20 between Guests and animals. Job duties will include giving=20 educational presentations to Guests regarding animals, raking,=20 shoveling, and cleaning manure, light construction, observing and=20 reporting animal behavior, performing minor veterinary procedures and=20 preparing a variety of specialized diets. Cash Control: The purpose of this position is to receive and=20 reconcile revenue generated by the Park. Duties include counting=20 currency, sorting and scanning tickets. EMT/Paramedic: The purpose of this position is to provide care and=20 respond to all EMS and First Aid needs for 6F guests and employees=20 and to insure quality Patient care through EMS and First Aid=20 Guidelines. Entertainment / Costume Character: The purpose of this position is to=20 entertain the Guest via various show venues. AUDITIONS REQURED. Food Service: The purpose of this position is to ensure each of our=20 Guests are given the best possible service in a prompt and friendly=20 manner and that the highest quality of service and food and beverage=20 products at all times. Duties and responsibilities include food=20 preparation, restaurant cleanliness, food serving/handling, and cash=20 handling. Games: The purpose of this position is to serve Guests who want to=20 play skill games and to participate in attractions by providing=20 courteous and efficient help. Duties and responsibilities include=20 cash handling, communication, skill game assistance, and prize=20 handling. Human Resources: The purpose of this position is to assist employees=20 and applicants within the Human Resources office. Job duties will=20 include answering phones, scheduling interviews, typing, filing,=20 fielding various questions, processing of new hires and interviewing=20 applicants according to EEOC and ADA guidelines. 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Duties and responsibilities=20 include suggestive selling, restocking and display, candy and caramel=20 making, balloon vending/sales, cash handling, and loss prevention. Office Clerical/Support Staff: The Park has various administrative=20 positions. Duties include handling incoming phone calls, typing,=20 filing, and other clerical duties. Park Services (Cleaning Crew): The purpose of this position is to=20 maintain a safe, clean, and orderly environment for our Guest. Duties=20 include cleaning of grounds, restrooms, disposal of trash bins and=20 dumpsters. Parking Attendants/Bus Drivers/Tram Drivers: Parking Attendants are=20 responsible for maintaining the flow of traffic of Guest vehicles.=20 Tram Drivers must be at least 18 years old with valid drivers=20 license. Bus drivers required CDL license. Ride Attendants/Operators: The purpose of this position is to operate=20 each ride in the safest possible manner while providing each Guest=20 with courteous and prompt service. 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From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Feb 04 17:32:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10469 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] [71.127.14.75] by karenandjay.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A53F8ED400AE; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:30:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:31:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Astroworld Carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=cuTGfAslu3pEkJWbmDpjOleqWrXPjTu5GO7gH74XY1DbG5uY0cTW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This just in from the CarouselHorse group at Yahoo: > > From: "Theresa Mather" > I just got the February issue of the Carousel News and Trader. There > was a short article on the Astroworld carousel. It was purchased by > Brass Ring Entertainment of California for a private buyer, who has > opted to give Houston another chance to buy the carousel. If that > doesn't work out it will be restored and placed in an unspecified > museum. ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Feb 04 17:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17764 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 01:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 01:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 01:40:16 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] [71.127.14.75] by karenandjay.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A70290D6014C; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:38:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:38:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to $10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=etYgOCr_VPOmx2SIBUcqFlOTLPdZjP4cpqYDgEPQF2t-oJIml4mA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > "We have really been re-energized by the new management team, and they're committed to guest service, improving training, improving facility maintenance, recruitment and new entertainment, and the 6FGE wants to provide the best possible experience in 2006 for our guests," Mance said Monday. < What a shovel full of BS! How is doubling the price of parking providing "the best possible experience." Why don't these damnable bean-counters simply come out and say, "We want to make as much money as possible?" Yeah, it's a business. But with gas prices expected to top $3 a gallon this summer, raising parking prices seems somewhat suicidal for them, especially if there's nothing else new being offered in the park (besides a used head-banger). Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Feb 04 17:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37018 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 01:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 01:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 01:55:46 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] [71.127.14.75] by karenandjay.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AAA48F4B009C; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:53:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <06d12fb454fbcad190ac978230c33532@karenandjay.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:54:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=dO69EMhYR6FYFX37bGca0A_iPaRV3iqNrK0wWSf_M6FQYpvo72mx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >> >> Good point. How are you going to run an amusement park chain from >> an >> office in Manhattan? << > > >Probably the same way every other major chain (be it amusement parks, > sales, or merchendising) manages to run their operation from > Manhattan. < But here's the point I've been trying to get across: Six Flags isn't "every other major chain!" They're an amusement park, not a factory or department store. There are different rules for running a park. Sam Walton knew that he didn't have to hang out in every Wal-Mart store in order to make them successful. The store layouts were standardized and the products were fairly consistent across the country. People always need to buy clothes or automotive accessories or curtains or towels or pencils. As long as decent products were offered at a decent price, people would shop there. But no one *needs* to go to Six Flags, especially if there are other more affordable parks within the same market. So Six Flags has to always provide the absolutely best amusement park experience to stay on top. They need to learn from Disney. A park with lousy food, overflowing bathrooms and understaffed rides isn't going to bring guests back. And you can't tell me that the management at each park will report back and keep things running smoothly. The job of middle managers is to protect their own butts. They'll happily report back to upper management that things are running great and are under control, even when the place is a pit. I know that when my kids worked at Six Flags New England the only time the place got a good cleaning was when someone from upper management (like Gary Story) was scheduled to pay a visit. Everyone was instructed to be on their best behavior. Then when Story left (or didn't show up), the park sank back into its old ways. That's why upper management *must* be involved in the day-to-day operations, rather than to sequester themselves far from their parks. The hired hands are generally getting paid a pittance compared with the executives and so have no real commitment to the job. Amusement parks are best run by people who love the business. If a manager is just there to pick up a paycheck, the park will suffer. /rant Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Feb 04 20:23:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37695 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 04:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.202) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 04:23:35 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s2so342442uge for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.232.6 with SMTP id e6mr860823nfh; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:23:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:23:33 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <06d12fb454fbcad190ac978230c33532@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> <06d12fb454fbcad190ac978230c33532@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=tewINpqGVgRATp9Ijh9nDLVZx1g-Bx2ae41Q1XtQA7bzGHNk_4h3vL8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > But here's the point I've been trying to get across: Six Flags isn't > "every other major chain!" They're an amusement park, not a factory or > department store. There are different rules for running a park. I don't agree. Your argument is that nobody needs to go to Six Flags, which is true. But nobody needs to go to Wal-Mart either. There are always other alternatives, and people are gonig to go to the one that is cheaper and better run. On the contrary, in many markets people don't even *have* an alternative to going to Six Flags. This is why I think your point weakens, not strengthens, your argument. > And you can't tell me that the management at each park > will report back and keep things running smoothly. Well, that seems to work in every other amusement park chain. > The job of middle > managers is to protect their own butts. They'll happily report back to > upper management that things are running great and are under control, > even when the place is a pit. There are statistics and reports sent to corporate *daily*. Random audits take place several times each season. And there are always surveys being taken. Corporate knows which parks are pits and which aren't, whether they visit or not. > That's why upper management *must* be involved in the day-to-day > operations, rather than to sequester themselves far from their parks. That's simply impossible, beyond what already goes on. Corporate management *can't* be onsite because (a) there are far too many parks, and (b) corporate has other things to worry about. Okay, so let's say Corporate stayed at Frontier City. How does that help SFMW, SFoG, or SFEG? The answer is that it doesn't. Having Corporate on-site may influence that one park, for the others it doesn't matter if they're located in Manhattan or Oklahoma City. And again, it's the same way with every other amusement park chain. > The hired hands are generally getting paid a pittance compared with the > executives and so have no real commitment to the job. Amusement parks > are best run by people who love the business. If a manager is just > there to pick up a paycheck, the park will suffer. That goes for every park. It's Corporate's job to make sure they have the right General Managers in position, not to do the job for those GM's. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Feb 04 20:26:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78043 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 04:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 04:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.197) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 04:26:04 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so420708uge for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.47.14 with SMTP id u14mr855499nfu; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:24:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:24:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1138829321.605.20041.m20@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to $10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JQrr9bh-qIXLYxTCWhfJJy4IZ4rerPFxub7CLF00ByxpS3Hc8YWVGkY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > "We have really been re-energized by the new management team, and > they're committed to guest service, improving training, improving > facility maintenance, > recruitment and new entertainment, and the 6FGE wants to provide the > best possible experience in 2006 for our guests," Mance said Monday. < > What a shovel full of BS! How is doubling the price of parking > providing "the best possible experience." Uh, that's called "marketing." :-) > Yeah, it's a business. But with gas prices expected to top $3 a gallon > this summer, raising parking prices seems somewhat suicidal for them, > especially if there's nothing else new being offered in the park > (besides a used head-banger). This parking increase comes directly from Corporate. Those at the park generally aren't happy about it. I expect it will change. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Feb 04 23:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91799 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 07:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 07:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 07:58:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 07:56:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2006 07:56:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:56:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.232.13 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=TewZdxl5y_6e2xqdeIZYF6y5obYBGkzU2gaPhc8C6_l3vrpzNGlM X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > On the contrary, in many markets people don't even *have* an > alternative to going to Six Flags. This is why I think your point > weakens, not strengthens, your argument. There may not be another major amusement park, but there are always other entertainment options. True, competition is tougher and more direct where there are other amusement parks, but ultimately Six Flags is competing against the movies, video games, sports, parks, the beach, etc. At Astroworld, the profits from the parks were competing against the profits from selling the land. And then there's the question of how big their market is. Is Wild Waves/Enchanted Village's market just the Seattle/Tacoma area, or is it all of western Washington State? Can they attract visitors from Portland or Vancouver? How many? Walt Disney famously had an apartment *inside* Disneyland. That's how important having top management being intimately familiar with your parks is. It *is* different from building widgets or selling clothes. If top management saw something wrong inside Frontier City, they could send out a memo directing it to be fixed, or a policy to be changed, throughout the chain. Ideally, corporate headquarters should be near a "flagship" location. Corporate headquarters for Hilton Hotels is not in downtown Los Angeles or even Century City, but in Beverly Hills, just blocks away from the Beverly Hilton, and presumably not far from where Barron Hilton has a home. When top executives travel around the world, they become guests in their own hotels, so they know what needs to be done.=20 Similarly, executives for an amusement park need to be in those parks seeing what the guest experience is like. Why not move corporate headquarters to Dallas, near SFOT? It's near their original park, there are plenty of other big businesses there, and it's a centrally-located airline hub that makes travel to any of their US parks easy. Travel or entertainment isn't something people *need* to have, the way people need to buy clothes and just go to Wal-Mart because it's big and cheap. People don't go to a Chevron station for the experience, they go because they want to fill up with gas. Theme parks are different. If a guest visits an amusement park and doesn't enjoy himself, he's not coming back. The top brass at Six Flags needs to be in touch with the parks themselves. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Feb 05 01:34:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91788 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 09:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 09:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.197) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 09:34:08 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so95291ugf for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.241.1 with SMTP id o1mr891651nfh; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:34:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:34:03 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=tmbFvdLVVYPmqxVN5xXmaqonUJd4o07SugHnC15R1yvECsVvyON8e7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Walt Disney famously had an apartment *inside* Disneyland. That's how > important having top management being intimately familiar with your > parks is. And at that time, Disney was not a chain. > It *is* different from building widgets or selling clothes. > If top management saw something wrong inside Frontier City, they could > send out a memo directing it to be fixed, or a policy to be changed, > throughout the chain. How does that help any park but Frontier City? Both of you have argued that amusement parks are unlike something like Wal-Mart because every park is different. A problem at Frontier City may be a good thing at another park. Problems that come up at Fontier City may *never* come up elsewhere, and problems that come up elsewhere may *never* come up at Frontier City. Having a corporate headquarters at one particular park may help that one park - and I emphasize MAY - but it does nothing for the other twenty. > Ideally, corporate headquarters should be near a "flagship" location. "Near" is obviously a relative term, but the headquarters are now in New York City, not too far from the chain's flagship SFGAdv. > Similarly, executives for an amusement park need to be in those parks > seeing what the guest experience is like. That's what General Managers and corporate audits are for. There are so many levels of management at Six Flags, that it's ridiculous to suggest top officers should - or even able to - spend any significant amount of time in the parks. Otherwise, why are their general managers and regional managers? > Why not move corporate > headquarters to Dallas, near SFOT? It's near their original park, > there are plenty of other big businesses there, and it's a > centrally-located airline hub that makes travel to any of their US > parks easy. Because it's not Manhattan, and there aren't the countless investment and partnership options. > Travel or entertainment isn't something people *need* to have, the way > people need to buy clothes and just go to Wal-Mart because it's big > and cheap. People don't go to a Chevron station for the experience, > they go because they want to fill up with gas. But why go to Chevron over anything else? No, entertainment is not a necessity like clothing or food. But that doesn't mean any customer *has* to visit a certain clothing or food store. > Theme parks are > different. If a guest visits an amusement park and doesn't enjoy > himself, he's not coming back. And if someone has a terrible time at Wal-Mart, that person probably won't go back. I fail to see a difference. -Nate From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Feb 05 02:26:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10687 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 10:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 10:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 10:26:02 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k15APIXV019700 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:25:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcYqKhJC1RUIZoBzTtm1pXlDOh0o9QAE7Rsw X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=mFBwa1E2YBIBzpifkaM3g4vlfpa0ICXZu31RjObLVkb0yc4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Adam wrote: > Ideally, corporate headquarters should be near a "flagship" location. Ok, but by this argument Manhattan is STILL a good place for headquarters, being one of the main markets for SFGAdv, and also near SFA and SFNE. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Feb 05 09:22:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93095 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 17:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-28.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.198) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8798 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2006 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:22:18 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F5nac-0000k4-3i for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:22:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:26:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ndS0D8r3d7AgY_3X_kcOtK5SDf4DuLbjArghY9hFNXptOeU-Jbbr X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Ideally, corporate headquarters should be near a "flagship" location. > > Ok, but by this argument Manhattan is STILL a good place for > headquarters, > being one of the main markets for SFGAdv, and also near SFA and SFNE. I think the biggest point that noone has made is its sometimes its better not to visit a park for awhile. If you're there every day, you start to get used to it, and might not be able to see it's faults or strengths as easily as someone coming in with a fresh mind. You can just look at this list to see why the new management in NY has a chance of working. As far as I know, none of you live at the parks... you have a normal job and just visit them, but I'm sure when you visit you see things that need to be improved. The top management of the company will be the same way, except the difference is they actually have the ability to change the things they see. Cedar Fair's corporate headquarters is near or at Cedar Point. But have Knott's Berry Farm or Dorney Park improved? Sure, they've gotten new rides, but I wouldn't say that the parks guest experience has gotten any more pleasant since they were bought by CF. If anything, I'd say that the character of the parks has sort of vanished... DP and Knott's are gradually just becoming places more like Cedar Point, probably because the top executives are used to that and want all their other parks to be the same way. Meanwhile, Anheuser Busch seems to do a fantastic job with their parks, between Sea World and Busch Gardens, but as far as I know they are based in St. Louis. But the guest experience is great, and the parks have a ton of character. George might know a little more about this... And speaking of Cedar Point, I wonder how SF going cold turkey on building coasters will affect the way they do things... if at all. Mike From serpmage@juno.com Sun Feb 05 10:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33788 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 18:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 18:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 18:40:15 -0000 Received: from webmail47.lax.untd.com (webmail47.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.187]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8NTVVA4VPSQJ for (sender ); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail47.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGGE8XWN; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:39:20 PST Received: from [24.165.242.164] by webmail47.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:38:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:38:46 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060205.103920.26452.248002@webmail47.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1044514970 X-MAIL-INFO:4a250d690cb1110c0000b14d114d7d74d9e9a980bd59e5b490e9d9312da0f00ce5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAOlrfH6YwN8GgONz/hjVjicVfcBiFBJgYA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.187|webmail47.lax.untd.com|webmail47.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=3BkiczyQIsCfsF-dmWwPgTHmbekVmDVOnppRTZASU-D9RR2ebA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Anheuser Busch did a great job while I was working there anyway. August Bu= sch made a habit of visiting the Orlando park(s) at least once a month, and= during some times of the summer once a week. He was there often enough th= at most of the employees not only could recognize him at a glance, but also= knew what his helicopter looked like. I was once sweeping up trash behind= one of the stadiums and he stopped his walk through of the park, came over= to me personally, shook my hand and told me what a great job I was doing. = And I was told later that that's not an unusual thing for him to do. I fi= nd it kind of hard to believe that any President of Six Flags had ever done= that. ~Tim N. --------------------- Original Message: --------------------- Meanwhile, Anheuser Busch seems to do a fantastic job with their=20 parks, between Sea World and Busch Gardens, but as far as I know they=20 are based in St. Louis. But the guest experience is great, and the=20 parks have a ton of character. George might know a little more about=20 this... ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Feb 05 15:44:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47974 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 03:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2006 03:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 03:10:46 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1e1.4cb53a45 (16633) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e1.4cb53a45.3116c6af@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:39 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/4/2006 8:44:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jay@karenandjay.com writes: What a shovel full of BS! How is doubling the price of parking providing "the best possible experience." Why don't these damnable bean-counters simply come out and say, "We want to make as much money as possible?" Yeah, it's a business. But with gas prices expected to top $3 a gallon this summer, raising parking prices seems somewhat suicidal for them, especially if there's nothing else new being offered in the park (besides a used head-banger). These guys are about the worst examples of amusement park owners that has come down the pike! They are bean counters. They know NOTHING of how the other half, the people who come to their parks, live! Mark Shapiro doesn't know a roller coaster from a hole in the head! I don't know how an idiot like that ever got to be CEO of an amusement park company! That man knows about as much about amusement parks, as Mickey Mouse, and I dont mean The Disney Company itself! Don't fool yourselves, Mark Shapiro doesn't care one thing about the people who come to his parks, he only cares about his pocket book. I propose as many people as possible just go somewhere else this summer other than a Six Flags park. He is raising prices as fast as Cedar Fair is lowering them! Let's go there! I'd really like to see these good for nothings fall flat on their face and fail, miserably. Then maybe we can finally get a company in there who knows how to operate an amusement park properly! That's my rant on how I feel about what is happening at the Six Flags corporation. Sorry, if I upset anyone, except for Shapiro! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Feb 05 16:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29639 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 00:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 00:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 00:19:13 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257469A67 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:19:05 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <1e1.4cb53a45.3116c6af@aol.com> References: <1e1.4cb53a45.3116c6af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <156AD58D-919E-4B6F-8FCA-2FD9C7B117D9@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:19:06 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Zlm802I3QHkCI4038IB84uUEPUkSr4JwuwQnV52kDkLdsITF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I don't know how an idiot like that ever got to be CEO of an > amusement park company! Greed - the driving force behind all CEOs. > Mark Shapiro doesn't care one thing about the people who come to > his parks, he only cares about his pocket book. Well as a CEO, that's his job :-) The guy is a complete slime-bag who seems totally disconnected from his audience .. but all he's trying to do is make as much money as possible for him and his stock holders - which is precisely the point. > Sorry, if I upset anyone, except for Shapiro! Not at all .. I agree with you. I want the old guys back! Or at the very least I want to be able to fast-forward five years, to the time when Shapiro realized that he's made some bad decisions - I'm confident he won't let things go for as long as the previous guys did. Cameron. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Feb 05 17:49:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8571 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 01:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 01:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 01:49:19 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5vVF-0000RI-RZ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:49:17 -0500 Message-ID: <43E6AB13.3040303@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:49:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060205.103920.26452.248002@webmail47.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20060205.103920.26452.248002@webmail47.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f6de188fdd142d4ed49b568143e44d0fd9f3ecf32b083fd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LEtmYqcijXGEbioB5nVXuIMXOdl-x6Vl4YMrTOb6TNAS9pw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Tim N. wrote: > --------------------- > Original Message: > --------------------- > Meanwhile, Anheuser Busch seems to do a fantastic job with their > parks, between Sea World and Busch Gardens, but as far as I know they > are based in St. Louis. But the guest experience is great, and the > parks have a ton of character. George might know a little more about > this... > Anheuser Busch did a great job while I was working there anyway. August > Busch made a habit of visiting the Orlando park(s) at least once a > month, and during some times of the summer once a week. He was there > often enough that most of the employees not only could recognize him at > a glance, but also knew what his helicopter looked like. I was once > sweeping up trash behind one of the stadiums and he stopped his walk > through of the park, came over to me personally, shook my hand and told > me what a great job I was doing. And I was told later that that's not > an unusual thing for him to do. I find it kind of hard to believe that > any President of Six Flags had ever done that. Tim pretty much sums up what I would have said. Mr. Busch is a frequent visitor to the park. While I haven't met him personally, I have seen him in the park at least a couple of times, and I know that he was in the park several other times when I was working. Yes, we got to know his helicopter well. While the company headquarters may be in St. Louis, he makes it a point to make frequent visits to the parks. So much so that he actually has a family home in the Orlando area that he uses as a base to visit the parks here. And still manages to also make monthly or semi-monthly visits to the other parks. And this is the company's head cheese, who's also in charge of the breweries, distribution and everything else. Yet he still knows that he's got to be hands on and in the parks experiencing them. That's not something he does with the other businesses. It's also not something that any of the Six Flags guys seem to do- at least not from any reports that I've heard. Heck, I know at a lot of parks it's hard to even get the GM's out of their offices and into their own parks. That's certainly not something that I see improving when they move the HQ to New York. I'm certainly not convinced by one walk through to ascertain the state of the company. Let's see what happens later on. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Feb 05 17:58:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43502 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5vdj-00050m-LS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:58:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f6de188fdd142d4e1ef7ca7d136c016053d29bd99fb5f85a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tdg6jlsiaLWd-i7eZfLLq68nyKmDYarxs6wbAxKMzY3AjUk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike wrote: > I think the biggest point that noone has made is its sometimes its > better not to visit a park for awhile. If you're there every day, > you start to get used to it, and might not be able to see it's faults > or strengths as easily as someone coming in with a fresh mind. Actually, I would almost argue the opposite on that. Who are some of the biggest gripers and nitpickers about the parks? The season passholders. The people that are there all of the time and are expecting things to be a certain way, and then notice it when they're not. The occaisional visitor isn't going to necessarily know when something isn't up to par or it's slipping. Someone there all of the time will. I know that visiting SFMM all the time I was certainly much more aware of what was wrong with it than those that we're there often. The same is very true of BGT- I notice a lot more things now than I did on my first couple of visits. > > You can just look at this list to see why the new management in NY > has a chance of working. As far as I know, none of you live at the > parks... you have a normal job and just visit them, but I'm sure when > you visit you see things that need to be improved. The top > management of the company will be the same way, except the difference > is they actually have the ability to change the things they see. I think the difference is that the previous top management was very much removed from the parks. And with the move to NY, a lot of us see the new top management moving even further away from the parks. You can't manage them effectively if you're not in them. As others have said, it's very different from other businesses in that regard. Hopefully these little walk throughs they're doing now won't be the only ones, but with several of the other changes, I'm not real optimistic on that. And if you're not in the parks constantly, then the people that are are going to tune them out. > > Cedar Fair's corporate headquarters is near or at Cedar Point. But > have Knott's Berry Farm or Dorney Park improved? Sure, they've > gotten new rides, but I wouldn't say that the parks guest experience > has gotten any more pleasant since they were bought by CF. If > anything, I'd say that the character of the parks has sort of > vanished... DP and Knott's are gradually just becoming places more > like Cedar Point, probably because the top executives are used to > that and want all their other parks to be the same way. My only question to your assertion here, Mike, is- have you been to either one of those parks- especially before and after? I've heard that Kinzel made it a point to get out and visit his other parks at least once a year. But additionally, since he was out in a park nearly daily, he was contantly in touch and reminded of what should be happening and what should be going on in a park. That's something easy to forget when you're miles away- both in location and in atmosphere. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Feb 05 20:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91991 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.235) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 11982 invoked by uid 0); 6 Feb 2006 04:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:50:56 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F5yKs-0007tp-2w for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:50:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:55:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=atBM7n9TSxx8uUoPW2AQuS-Aso5-ycSTSeJG3kt195_9rybfP7T_ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Arrg, longer than I thought it would be. Sorry. >> I think the biggest point that noone has made is its sometimes its >> better not to visit a park for awhile. If you're there every day, >> you start to get used to it, and might not be able to see it's faults >> or strengths as easily as someone coming in with a fresh mind. > > Actually, I would almost argue the opposite on that. Who are some of > the biggest gripers and nitpickers about the parks? The season > passholders. The people that are there all of the time and are > expecting things to be a certain way, and then notice it when they're > not. The occaisional visitor isn't going to necessarily know when > something isn't up to par or it's slipping. Someone there all of the > time will. Thats a good point. My side is like when I'm editing a video or designing a website layout, I'll work on it for a long time strait, and I'll finally get it so I think its perfect. Then I'll wait a week, and when I look at it again, I spot 20 things I want to change... that when you see something with more fresh eyes, you get more of a feel of someone experiencing it for the first time. >> The top >> management of the company will be the same way, except the difference >> is they actually have the ability to change the things they see. > > I think the difference is that the previous top management was very > much > removed from the parks. And with the move to NY, a lot of us see the > new top management moving even further away from the parks. I'm not so sure if thats what's going to happen, I think that these guys are serious about changing the parks image around. But I think like you said we'll have to wait and see, sort of hard to tell now with only one visit to the parks. >> Cedar Fair's corporate headquarters is near or at Cedar Point. But >> have Knott's Berry Farm or Dorney Park improved? Sure, they've >> gotten new rides, but I wouldn't say that the parks guest experience >> has gotten any more pleasant since they were bought by CF. If >> anything, I'd say that the character of the parks has sort of >> vanished... DP and Knott's are gradually just becoming places more >> like Cedar Point, probably because the top executives are used to >> that and want all their other parks to be the same way. > > My only question to your assertion here, Mike, is- have you been to > either one of those parks- especially before and after? I've heard > that > Kinzel made it a point to get out and visit his other parks at least > once a year. But additionally, since he was out in a park nearly > daily, > he was contantly in touch and reminded of what should be happening and > what should be going on in a park. That's something easy to forget > when > you're miles away- both in location and in atmosphere. I went to Knott's a couple times in 94-96, and again in 1999 and 2002. Cedar Point I've only been to once in 1998. And Dorney I went to in 97 and 98, and then again in 2001 or 2002 (the year before they added Talon). I just found that the parks, especially Knott's, juts lost a lot of the 'family' quality and something that sets them apart. Like when Knott's added the Mystery Lodge. It might not have been the best thing ever, but when I was 10, I thought it was really awesome. Same thing with the Wild Wild West stunt show. And the Haunted Shack was really cool too, and so were the Soap Box Derby Racers. Now all Cedar Fair does is add stock roller coasters, and paint things really ugly colors. I don't think any of the remaining charm the park has left would be there if Cedar Fair had built it from scratch, or hadn't kept some of the things that Knott's started going after they bought it. Dorney is pretty boring and there really isn't a whole lot to do, compared to both Great Adventure and Hershey. Cedar Point I was really disappointed with, since all the coasters there were mediocre at best. There wasn't any character in the park, and they brand themselves as a thrill park. Sure its a nice park, but they focus their entire park on roller coasters, and I just don't think thats the way to go. So thats hopefully where I'm coming from. And the way I see it, SF is going down the right track. Roller coasters don't cut it. You ride Kingda Ka once, then what? Parks need to focus on guest experience in order to be profitable, and thats where I think SF is headed. And I definitely wouldn't say that the previous SF management was anywhere near good... here are some things I remember reading on this list in the past couple years... - Huge gang fights occasionally at SFMM - Ride closures everywhere at SFMM - Mooseburger lodge fails health inspection at SFMM - People line cutting in a lot of TRs - TTD is a monumental engineering failure, so SFGAd orders one - and what a surprise - it breaks down for its entire inaugural summer - Food is bad at most SF parks - Scream is built over a parking lot - X does not work most of its first year - Screamin' Eagle at SFGAm is running less crappier than normal - Deja Vu's all fail at operating consistently - Fights in the parking lot at SFA - V2 at SFMW violates zoning laws so the structure had to be modified - Just about every wood coaster at every park poorly maintained - Summer employees from other countries treated poorly at SFNE - SF consistently fails to generate profits company wide - SF wants to sell the park chain - SF execs make huge amounts of money compared to CF, even though they're not profitable And a lot of those things are the result of incompetent management, wherever they may be. Meanwhile, here are the things I've read so far on the new guy. - Visits every park to see how they are - Former head of ESPN, which is very profitable, and people that work there seem to love their job - ESPN has consistently had quality programming, and they have expanded their brand into restaurants and other nice places - Says they want to focus on families and not teenagers - They killed off the Mr. Six campaign, which would've gone on for who knows how long - They raise prices (though its not the best, hopefully it will help stop teens that go there to hang out from going, helping to change the target demographic, and will generate some profit as a bonus) - No more building huge coasters that cost money and brings in the wrong demographic for once and only when they build a new ride - Supports park maintenance (with paint job for Chang) - Moves headquarters to NYC, better talent pool and NYC is a really great place Thats my point of view on the whole thing at least. I really don't think the business model that the old SF and current CF operate on is the way to go, I think in 10 or 20 years, it will really come back to hurt them. What can you build to top TTD? And that will consistently have peolpe come back to the park, and generate positive word of mouth advertising? There really isn't that much... coasters aren't everything, it's all about having a positive guest experience, like what this guy is saying. I think focusing on families will really work out great for the company, and hopefully will start to bring back the company to where it was in the early 1990s, when the parks were really enjoyable places that everyone could go to to have a good time. And hopefully they'll lower prices a little later on... But if not, it isn't the end of the world... I'd gladly pay an extra 10$ more to have a better park experience than what it is now, and have new execs that don't follow the same formula for generating profits that doesn't work (build another coaster, put it anywhere.. you don't even have to give it a theme or station! just call it something stupid... trust me, people will come!). I really think that SF eventually would have gone under. Maybe not the entire chain, but some parks, just because the management was so terrible. They couldn't keep going on the way they were, and I'm really hoping that these new guys can help make sure not only the parks and brand sticks around, but that they get better and start becoming a more pleasant place to be. I would really love it if one day I can say, "Wow, I'd really like to go back to SFA. It looks like a really nice park now and I bet I'd have a great time there!" Course... I'm normally in the minority here :) Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Feb 05 22:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38918 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 06:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 06:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 06:07:38 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BDA9A67 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:06:25 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:06:26 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=W_QI85_9Wn5zwbf2OBBQtGdQONGUTIHocgFrTTm4WFzn_68c X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Cedar Point I was really disappointed with Me too, last time I was there (2003) .. the whole place was just very sterile and cold. > - Screamin' Eagle at SFGAm is running less crappier than normal Actually it's American Eagle (at Six Flags Great America), and it's running pretty darn well .. I'd even say that last season (2005) it was giving better rides than Viper. (Please don't hurt me, Nate!) > - Just about every wood coaster at every park poorly maintained That's a generalization of ludicrous proportions. Both wood coasters at Six Flags Great America are maintained very well .. Eagle gets portions of new track every year, last season saw new trains. Thunder Run at Kentucky Kingdom was amazing fun, as were Roar and Wild One at Six Flags America. Cyclone kicked ass when I was at Six Flags New England - but that was before the re-profile so I can't comment on how it is now. Compare that to how Ghost Rider and Shivering Timbers have gone downhill under Cedar Far ownership. (Admittedly Timbers was running nicely last year ..) > - ESPN has consistently had quality programming Snowboarding morons, and beach volleyball?? .. yeah, that's real great. > - They raise prices (though its not the best, hopefully it will help > stop teens that go there to hang out from going, helping to change > the target demographic, and will generate some profit as a bonus) You're commending them for shutting people out? No-one dislikes teens more than I do, but to make it more expensive for teens you have to make it more expensive for families. These new guys are telling everyone that they're like Disney now, and they're charging Disney prices .. but they haven't actually done anything to be more like Disney. Just the opposite .. In a Disney park you don't have to eat McDonalds and Pizza Hut, nor are you accosted by people selling you mobile phones - all of which has been promised by the new owners. > - Moves headquarters to NYC, better talent pool and NYC is a really > great place Everyone keeps saying "talent pool" .. Talent for what?! I agree that the previous management weren't doing things right, and I agree that Cedar Fair is heading for the sewer .. but these new guys just seem to be so totally out there, and focusing on some things that just don't make sense. I mean, people already feel like they're getting ripped off by Six Flags, and these guys are just making that worse. Nothing else matters .. absolutely nothing .. if people feel ripped off. > There really isn't that much... coasters aren't everything No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll market to to families"?? > hopefully will start to bring back the company to where it was in > the early 1990s I don't think Premier Parks has changed much since the early 90s.. That was part of the whole problem. > But if not, it isn't the end of the world... I'd gladly pay an extra > 10$ more to have a better park experience than what it is now You might .. but my neighbor with two kids isn't going to want to spend an extra $40, plus $15 for parking, plus crappy fast food (that he has to pay more for than if he bought it on the street), all to ride carnival rides that have been painted pretty colours. > I really think that SF eventually would have gone under. No way .. 2004 was the start of the upswing for them .. and 2005 was actually an OK year. I'm not saying that the old management didn't need a kick in the rear .. but the new guys are making changes just for the sake of it (remember: the sole purpose of a CEO is to make the stock go up this quarter .. they don't give any thought to the next quarter..). They will say anything right now, and they are. > Course... I'm normally in the minority here :) Actually, I'm in the minority .. I dislike Cedar Fair (have for years), Intamin (have for years) and now the new Six Flags management! Holiday World better not let me down in May, or I won't know what to do! :-) Cameron. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Feb 05 22:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36861 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 06:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 06:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 06:10:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 06:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 06:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 06:09:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:09:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.157.183 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=bN-HkIwe2E2xjS7jI8hpPa_dWX9wbRaoVvio4KVkIqFZXqLHP9Fx X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > So thats hopefully where I'm coming from. And the way I see it, SF=20=20 > is going down the right track. Roller coasters don't cut it. You=20=20 > ride Kingda Ka once, then what? Parks need to focus on guest=20=20 > experience in order to be profitable, and thats where I think SF is=20=20 > headed.=20 Well, I hope so. It's pretty early in the new regime to really tell much. All the talk about guest experience, at this point, is just talk, and it's what I've heard from them before. Back in December at SFMM they were operating just one train on everything except Goliath. > - Summer employees from other countries treated poorly at SFNE And at SFMM, a foreign temporary worker got killed by Scream. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Feb 05 23:07:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63145 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 07:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 07:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-03.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.13) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 07:07:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24870 invoked by uid 0); 6 Feb 2006 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 07:03:40 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F60PK-0006hv-9o for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:03:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A875C77-3978-4A14-904C-6CE5FFA2901A@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:07:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=AGvFrHK3AD52k456OS5f_H0KQ6-gMYATLljt06Q92CIU9reumB01 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> - Screamin' Eagle at SFGAm is running less crappier than normal > > Actually it's American Eagle (at Six Flags Great America), and it's > running pretty darn well Screamin... American... sort of close... forgot to look it up on RCDB to make it look like I know what I'm talking about. >> - Just about every wood coaster at every park poorly maintained > > That's a generalization of ludicrous proportions. Both wood coasters > at Six Flags Great America are maintained very well .. Eagle gets > portions of new track every year, last season saw new trains. Yeah you're right. But some rides, like Rolling Thunder at SFGAd, could be running way better. >> - ESPN has consistently had quality programming > > Snowboarding morons, and beach volleyball?? .. yeah, that's real > great. Yeah, but at least they've been consistent with their original stuff, and haven't really changed that much in the past 10 years. It's not like MTV and VH1 that started out as music, and now broadcast the most horrible reality shows I've ever seen or the awful TRL type shows that hardly even show music videos. Or TLC that pretty much has only reality home remake shows instead of documentaries. Even the Discovery Channel doesn't have as many documentaries as it used to... but at least they have the Mythbusters to help make up for it. >> - They raise prices (though its not the best, hopefully it will help >> stop teens that go there to hang out from going, helping to change >> the target demographic, and will generate some profit as a bonus) > > You're commending them for shutting people out? No-one dislikes teens > more than I do, but to make it more expensive for teens you have to > make it more expensive for families. These new guys are telling > everyone that they're like Disney now, and they're charging Disney > prices .. but they haven't actually done anything to be more like > Disney. Just the opposite .. In a Disney park you don't have to eat > McDonalds and Pizza Hut, nor are you accosted by people selling you > mobile phones - all of which has been promised by the new owners. Thats not too different than SFGAd this year with credit card booths everywhere. Hopefully this set of execs will be more open to feedback from the visitors... I'm sure a lot of people won't like the mobile phone crap if that happens. But I definitely wouldn't complain about McDonald's, that would be a HUGE improvement over SFGAd's pitiful offerings this year. $11 for fried chicken and curly fries that was really dry, cold, and tasted worse than cafeteria food... it was pretty bad. > No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically > saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing > to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as > you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll > market to to families"?? Its weird, now that you say that, it seems like a lot of the parks in Europe seem to be in the middle ground. Europa Park, Alton Towers... Some of the smaller parks in the U.S. are like that, like Hershey, but not many. Maybe SF will surprise everyone and follow Dollywood's lead and get a GCI or two. It's too bad SF didn't buy like 4 of them to put in SFGAd instead of using the 25 million on Kingda Ka... we could've had a quad dueling/racing coaster. THAT would've been money well spent. Mike From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 00:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41357 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 08:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 08:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 08:35:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 08:32:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 08:32:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:32:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.157.183 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=6FignCcolNiDzObLaV7RiXRh8uhRPRCyIKxykdd1dF-NO9X-vfHd X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > In a Disney park you don't have to eat McDonalds=20 Actually, there's a McDonalds at DCA. Not that you have to eat there, but it is inside the park. > No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically=20=20 > saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing=20=20 > to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as=20=20 > you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll=20=20 > market to to families"?? You know what park fits that description around here? None other than Knott's Berry Farm, as managed by new whipping boy Cedar Fair. I think the mix right now is close to perfect--- my concern would be what they do next. They need to do something to make up for the loss of the Haunted Shack, Bird Cage Theatre, and the Wacky Soap Box Racers. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Feb 06 03:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24235 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 11:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 11:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 11:37:29 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F64fI-0007sh-Of for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:36:16 -0500 Message-ID: <43E734A8.8090604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:36:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> <0A875C77-3978-4A14-904C-6CE5FFA2901A@donkeyentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: <0A875C77-3978-4A14-904C-6CE5FFA2901A@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f6de188fdd142d4ec26a8fa544c0ccc9c1102fbaebe6202c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=a79f3hlzwFmzXUYkHNUEJczfEVTqRtX05oU0OVzdoVe49RA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Running out to work, but this caught my eye: Mike wrote: > Maybe SF will surprise everyone and follow Dollywood's lead and get a > GCI or two. It's too bad SF didn't buy like 4 of them to put in > SFGAd instead of using the 25 million on Kingda Ka... we could've had > a quad dueling/racing coaster. THAT would've been money well spent. Now there's a park lead to follow. And not just because of their most recent coaster (though it's one that I sure hope is followed up on) They put in a large ride package last year, though many of them were essentially flats. This year it's a larger thrill ride and adding onto their "new" area. And they've got some big plans for the future. But the areas they should be following Dollywood: great, high quality food at prices that aren't going to kill you. A huge amount of entertainment that is almost always high quality. There's always a show of some sort going on somewhere in that park. Lots of shopping for a large variety of items of all sorts. Sure there's a couple spots to get the tourist junk- but there's far more beyond that to look at and enjoy even just browsing through. Mix in the natural feel of the park with the great landscaping, woods, and friendly workers... It's about as close to a perfect park as I've been to. Sounds kind of like another park in Indiana, doesn't it? :) Seriously, if the Six Flags parks were run more along those lines, with that kind of thought and caring, I don't think we'd be having most of these discussions. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 10:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59367 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 18:45:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 18:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 18:45:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:45:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Astroworld Carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-qJmldnfnG0v7wNGBmU5-fx81N4soFjuN9kcJYaIhk9lq0k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Into a Museum. Now that's an interesting option. I wonder if it would be an exhibit, or an attraction? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > This just in from the CarouselHorse group at Yahoo: > > From: "Theresa Mather" > > I just got the February issue of the Carousel News and Trader. There > > was a short article on the Astroworld carousel. It was purchased by > > Brass Ring Entertainment of California for a private buyer, who has > > opted to give Houston another chance to buy the carousel. If that > > doesn't work out it will be restored and placed in an unspecified=20 > > museum. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 12:17:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99680 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 20:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 20:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 20:17:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:15:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:15:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:15:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:15:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=j5bXGIUTAzzN7sBaw7idoQfe_QCkDRdiClGdX0TI0ps7MQM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > Actually, there's a McDonalds at DCA. Not that you have to eat there, > but it is inside the park. Also, Disneyland has a McDonald's fry & soda stand in Frontierland. > You know what park fits that description around here? None other than > Knott's Berry Farm, as managed by new whipping boy Cedar Fair. I think > the mix right now is close to perfect--- my concern would be what they > do next. They need to do something to make up for the loss of the > Haunted Shack, Bird Cage Theatre, and the Wacky Soap Box Racers. Like a complete overhaul of the Time Machine (or whatever it's=20 called). Completely LAME! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 12:20:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55842 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:20:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Midwest amusement park pays off creditors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FGlHaj72HMA902yZzObBlLB8A_z-S7CShkt-tg_QRRKOxUo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 06, 2006 The Shawano Leader http://www.shawanoleader.com/articles/2006/02/06/news/news2.txt By Tim Ryan Green Bay, WI -- Just days before it was scheduled to be sold off due=20 to delinquent debts, Midwest Amusement Park saved itself from=20 foreclosure Thursday by paying off its creditors. Ronald Metzler, an attorney for Northeast Asphalt, Inc. of Green Bay,=20 said his client and two other creditors who had liens against the=20 property were paid on Thursday. Midwest was ordered to pay $380,817 to Northeast for work done on the=20 park's USA International Raceway. The judgment also entitled=20 Northeast to a construction lien foreclosure. A Shawano County Sheriff's Department sale of the property, at W5901=20 County Road BE in the Town of Wescott, had been scheduled for this=20 Wednesday. Midwest Amusement Park and USA International Raceway are subsidiaries=20 of the R.C. Samanta Roy Institute of Science and Technology. SIST and=20 its subsidiaries have purchased nearly $12 million worth of property=20 in the area with intentions of supporting a future international=20 boarding school in the Town of Wescott. --------- =A9 2005 The Shawano Leader From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 12:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45470 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 20:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 20:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 20:25:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:25:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:25:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:25:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Escondido amusement park will be demolished to make way for townhomes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6u-BLVFsldyOAzV53-qYaukdLu_-xUDRm6Sd7MYkKo5j2Sk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 3, 2006 The NION-TRIBUNE http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20060203-9999- 1mc3boomers.html By Booyeon Lee ESCONDIDO, CA -=96 An amusement park that has been a fixture in the=20 city for more than 33 years will soon be demolished to clear the way=20 for proposed townhomes. The Putt-Putt Fun Center, formerly Boomers!, had long been a popular=20 family hangout. It featured 3 miniature golf courses, batting cages,=20 a go-cart track, bumper boats and an arcade. It is scheduled to be=20 demolished in May. "The park had seen its better days," said Mark=20 Williams, a GM at Vista's Boomers! who had also worked at the=20 Escondido location. "It was getting old, and that neighborhood had=20 deteriorated a bit." To redevelop the area, the city is reviewing a developer's plan to=20 build 164 townhomes on the park land, which borders SR-78 and Rock=20 Springs Road. A Lowe's store, the nation's 2nd-largest home-improvement retailer,=20 is expected to be built next to the homes. It would replace the Chuck=20 E. Cheese's restaurant and a building that was once a Kmart. San Diego developer Ed Himmelberg said Lowe's has signed a lease that=20 commits it to building a store on the site if the City Council=20 approves the plan in the spring. Construction for the 176,000-sq-ft store, which would include a=20 garden center, is scheduled to begin in May. The store is expected to=20 open by January 2007, Himmelberg said. Lowe's spokeswoman Jennifer Smith declined to comment on the deal=20 until it is finalized. Construction on the 3-story townhomes is expected to begin when the=20 Lowe's store is completed. Under a proposal filed with the city, the=20 townhomes would be in 17 buildings painted brown, cream and burgundy,=20 with a tot lot, spa and pool near the entrance to the development. The 18-acre parcel, being developed by Sunset Corp. LLC, also=20 includes a former Long John Silver's restaurant. That building would=20 be renovated as another fast-food restaurant, Himmelberg said. A building along Mission Road that houses a liquor store, a dry=20 cleaner and a coin laundry would be razed and a pad would be built=20 for commercial development. Himmelberg said a handful of businesses,=20 including banks and cell phone companies, are talking to him about=20 leasing the space. The city's Design Review Board is scheduled to review the project for=20 the second time Feb. 9. The Escondido amusement park, which closed last month, was called=20 Family Fun Center for most of its existence. Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler, whose first job as a teenager was as a=20 cashier at the park, said she has fond memories of playing miniature=20 golf there with her family. "It was fun," she said, "but it's time to=20 move on." Pfeiler said the retail center has "lived out its life" and that the=20 townhomes and the Lowe's store would be the next generation of=20 improvements for the area. --------- Copyright 2006 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 06 12:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31202 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 20:29:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:29:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2006 20:29:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:29:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Old hoofer is really young choreographer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BSqDjYtnJF04r27vYQ-J8vBbkOhWQQSQltWhPfSO6fh3H7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/6/2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060206-022850-3561r NEW YORK, NY -- The carefully guarded identity of "Mr. Six" -- the=20 dancing senior citizen in the Six Flags amusement park TV commercials=20 has been exposed, the New York Post reported. The actor behind the makeup and the rubber legs is Danny Teeson, one=20 of the stars of Bravo's "Queer Eye for the Straight Girl,". The British actor, in his late 20s or early 30s, was outed on the=20 Internet blog pauldavidson.net and the information was confirmed=20 by "knowledgeable industry sources". Teeson was an original member of the London cast of "Fame the=20 Musical" and worked as a choreographer for pop stars such as Gloria=20 Estefan and Usher. Six Flags has not confirmed the identity of "Mr. Six" and Teeson=20 could not be reached for comment. ---------- Copyright 2006 United Press International, Inc. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Feb 06 14:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44657 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 22:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 22:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 22:21:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k16MLpMe012709 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00db01c62b6b$bfc96620$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:21:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=rgqLTyRjYHO7vBtCc42ybqnzm0ckucOB0vBFRdcn2wN2ZNJCqRpkeIcYag X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically >> saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing >> to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as >> you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll >> market to to families"?? > > You know what park fits that description around here? None other than > Knott's Berry Farm, as managed by new whipping boy Cedar Fair. I think > the mix right now is close to perfect--- my concern would be what they > do next. They need to do something to make up for the loss of the > Haunted Shack, Bird Cage Theatre, and the Wacky Soap Box Racers. I'm going to back this one up as well... of all the companies around over the last 10 years, I think the one with the real finger on the pulse of things and able to mix up the kinds of new attractions they add the best to cover everyone has been Cedar Fair, especially at Knott's Berry Farm which needed some serious upgrading when they bought it to bring it up to speed. It wasn't long ago when Knott's never even had anything close to the thrills you would find up the road at SFMM. The biggest rides at Knott's were Montazooma's Revenge and Boomerang. A few years later and they've challenged SFMM on most fronts with rides like Xcelerator, GhostRider, Silver Bullet, Perilous Plunge and so on... But they've added stuff for the families and kids too. The only problem has been the decline of some historic stuff like the Haunted Shack... but that isn't entirely their fault when it comes to dealing with California building codes and ADA compliance rules and such. The removal of the Soap Box Racers was sad, but the Knott's family neutered and killed that ride long before they ever even thought about removing it for Windjammer. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Feb 06 14:24:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73221 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 22:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 22:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 22:24:56 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k16MOt5E000261 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:24:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e201c62b6c$2d7f0800$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> <0A875C77-3978-4A14-904C-6CE5FFA2901A@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E734A8.8090604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:25:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=K9z2ywM7jh6nH3OnUN0qwpNWEzCj3j3hLWBh-mytKXmKUhrGxpkhPcuh8A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Maybe SF will surprise everyone and follow Dollywood's lead and get a >> GCI or two. It's too bad SF didn't buy like 4 of them to put in >> SFGAd instead of using the 25 million on Kingda Ka... we could've had >> a quad dueling/racing coaster. THAT would've been money well spent. Once upon a time, they did back when Premier Parks first bought Six Flags. Remember the two ROAR coasters, the one at SFMW had the first ever Millennium Flyer trains too. I don't know why they quit working with them after that. What I don't get is after all the problems with Intamin and their Rocket Coasters and then the bad summer of problems with Kingda Ka... why would they work with Intamin again on El Toro?! Though admitedly, so far reports from Europe seem to indicate that the new Intamin woodies are breaking in well, so it's a good investment I suppose. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Feb 06 14:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63607 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 22:42:27 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k16MfpMt028137 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:42:26 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:41:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43E734A8.8090604@earthlink.net> References: <200602051025.k15APIXV019700@atlas.jtan.com> <8AD3CB73-DE38-4D3B-9CEC-57C3CE5428DC@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E6AD2C.4090000@earthlink.net> <11ACEEC6-A2DB-48C2-957B-F009B4E802EB@buzzneon.com> <0A875C77-3978-4A14-904C-6CE5FFA2901A@donkeyentertainment.com> <43E734A8.8090604@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0AE9C5AE-7BBE-4584-AEAD-1A1694461CC8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:41:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 22:41:51.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[85A221F0:01C62B6E] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=0RCzRGFtWuSbKxiXYMmgcbozw0jV53Y0jMCN24uLvkKSsFuk X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Running out to work, but this caught my eye: > > Mike wrote: > >> Maybe SF will surprise everyone and follow Dollywood's lead and get a >> GCI or two. It's too bad SF didn't buy like 4 of them to put in >> SFGAd instead of using the 25 million on Kingda Ka... we could've had >> a quad dueling/racing coaster. THAT would've been money well spent. > > Now there's a park lead to follow. Kennywood, Holiday World, Dollywood, Knoebels .. they all know that the best way to make money is to simply be nice to people. Obviously Six Flags knows that too, but no CEO is going to stand up in front of his board and say "we're going to have free parking, free drinks, and lower admission price" .. he'll be lynched! Not that I don't agree with you - just the opposite! I think these smaller 'family run' parks are in the perfect middle ground .. catering wonderfully for thrill and family. It would absolutely freaking amazing if Six Flags would follow their lead. However, I wouldn't hold your breath.. :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Feb 06 14:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53655 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:50:14 -0800 Message-Id: <200602061450.AA2706440406@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=4OyHyIB9J2cX3pUzt2sWvpsW9rBKhF-VRwozBOpMs3iHUs9ggtij X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > And at that time, Disney was not a chain. < IMO, that was a good thing. > A problem at Frontier City may be a good thing at another park. < Yeah, I love a flooded bathroom. Seriously, there are problems that are endemic across the chain, like trash, poorly-staffed rides, badly-managed queue flow, overpriced food.... Middle management will treat all of that as simply "the way it works" unless upper management steps in and says, "Change it." But upper management won't change a thing if they rarely set foot on the midway and interact with their guests. Other "chains" do not behave this way. Dick Kinzel pretty much lives at Cedar Point and wanders the midway daily. Harry Henninger walks around picking up any stray trash at Kennywood. And Tom Wages at (Kennywood's) Lake Compounce started every day taking tickets at the main gate. Yes, there really is a different mindset to some park operators. And that dedication often spills over to the employees. As I've said before, the most successful and most enjoyable parks are those run by people who simply love the amusement business, not by huge corporations trying to balance the books. It just doesn't operate that way. But feel free to prove me wrong. :-) >That's what General Managers and corporate audits are for. < But that's also assuming that those managers and auditors have the guest experience as their first concern. The problem with the huge chains is that there's simply too much money riding on those decisions to be made honestly. If someone's job is on the line, rather than correct the problems in the park (which would usually cost money), it's easier to simply paint a rosy (if false) picture to keep the bosses happy -- especially if they don't visit very often. >And if someone has a terrible time at Wal-Mart, that person probably won't go back. < Absolutely! But people don't go to Wal-Mart for a good time; they go there for a good price. Wal-Mart has mastered keeping prices low on items people need. They're not the most ethical business, but they've succeeded at what they set out to do. On the other hand, people go to Six Flags *only* for a good time. That's a very transient thing. And management better have their hands on the pulse of the guests at all times. By distancing themselves from the parks -- even if there's middle management to keep them informed -- they never really get the complete picture. Because if they're not *in* the parks, there's no way to experience what the guests do. Maybe the idea of "chain" parks is an unworkable one. Enjoyment is not an easy commodity to sell. The Luna Park chain rapidly faded, as did the White Cities in the 1930s. But I really do hope I'm wrong about all this. Otherwise the amusement industry will experience a tremendous loss. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Mon Feb 06 16:27:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41282 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 00:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 00:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 00:27:51 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.e8.2479f13e (62952) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:27:40 EST To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6304 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: NEWS: Disney to sell ABC Radio Stations, Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=dU3fOAejSM32W1xjlZ6kLjs5QxDNmT3opYce8rsv2z9rP-AI8QVg X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Courtesy of _www.rr.com_ (http://www.rr.com) Monday, 2/6/06 by The Associated Press Published - Feb 06 2006 07:11PM EST || AP LOS ANGELES(AP) The Walt Disney Co. said it will sell its 22 ABC Radio stations and network to Citadel Broadcasting Corp. in a cash and stock deal valued at $2.7 billion. The transaction gives Disney shareholders about a 52 percent stake in a new company, called Citadel Communications, which combines Citadel's stations with Disney's ABC assets. The deal does not include Disney's ESPN and Radio Disney network. The transaction gives Citadel 177 FM stations and 66 AM stations in the country's top markets, making it the nation's third largest radio group. The complex deal is structured to be tax free to Disney shareholders. Disney also reported higher earnings in its first quarter despite a plunge in profits from its studio division. The media conglomerate said net income rose to $734 million, or 37 cents per share, in the quarter ended Dec. 31, compared with $666 million, or 33 cents per share in the same period last year. Revenue rose slightly to $8.854 billion from $8.666 billion in the same quarter last year. The current quarter includes a one-time gain of $70 million, or 2 cents per share, related to the sale of assets. The results of 35 cents per share after the one-time gain beat estimates from analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial, which had expected earnings of 30 cents per share on revenue of $8.791 billion. Disney's studio profits fell 60 percent during the quarter on lower box office results and home video sales. The quarter suffered from a difficult comparison with last year, which saw the theatrical release of "The Incredibles" and "National Treasure." The company said it expects higher revenue from the studio next quarter when its theatrical hits "Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" and "Chicken Little" are released on DVD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From greding@intergate.com Mon Feb 06 21:48:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@intergate.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53828 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 05:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 05:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 05:48:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 05:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 05:47:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:47:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602061450.AA2706440406@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.227.142.144 From: "Tom G." Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207556770; y=yKOx-YhGZzGgtccEpr4-m06BBA3Fx82ESjmjkVopRjvJNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 There is really only one good reason to move your headquarters to=20 Manhattan, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet--Wall Street.=20=20 Last I checked, SF had a huge amount of debt, and running an amusement=20 park takes a lot of capital. By moving their HQ to NY, they have=20 better access to financial markets, where they can get the cash they=20 need to operate and be in close proximity to all the people they need=20 to hype to get their stock price back up. That said, it's back to lurking for me... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 07 12:12:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9577 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:12:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:12:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:12:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Left 'amusement' park to open in Kerala X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ofbMnvxT4GUHuubFnF77Gb0cfqo7S7mLP6I0VbGAkWZrUTE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 6, 2006 New Kerala.com http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=3Dfullnews&id=3D3918 By Sanu George Kerala, India -- The communists call it a knowledge centre. But=20 everyone else in Kerala sees the controversial Rs.250 million project=20 for what it is - an amusement park set up by the Left. Named "Vismaya Vijnana Kendram" (Knowledge centre), the park will=20 open in April near the Parassinikadavu temple on the outskirts of=20 this north Kerala city. The Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M)=20 is the driving force behind it. "Construction is progressing fast and=20 we expect all work to be over by the end of next month. The park is=20 likely to open by end-March or early April," senior CPI-M legislator=20 M.V. Govindan told IANS. The project, billed as the first of its kind in the cooperative=20 sector, is being built by the Malabar Tourism Cooperative Society.=20 Funds were raised from various banks. Govindan was secretary of the society when it decided to go ahead=20 with the venture in 2004. The society has 500 members, all of them=20 believed to be staunch CPI-M supporters. The park is built in the traditional north Kerala architectural style=20 and has an artificial lake spread over 2 acres. "The lake is ready=20 and we will do rain water harvesting too," claimed Govindan. He denied that the delay in completing the project was due to=20 opposition by locals who were against the razing of hillocks to=20 accommodate the park. The naming of the park as "Vismaya Vijnana Kendram" is believed to be=20 a tactic to keep the CPI-M antagonists at bay. "Yes, the name has=20 been changed because this park gives more emphasis to science and=20 education. There are lots of things in the park to arouse children's=20 curiosity," said Govindan. He said the park would also have a history museum and an art gallery. Govindan, who stepped down as secretary of the Malabar Tourism=20 Cooperative Society after he became CPI-M's Kannur district=20 secretary, still continues to be the key decision maker in the body. The park will add to the increasing asset base of the CPI-M, which=20 has considerable stakes in the Kairali TV channel and owns a few=20 hospitals, a study centre here and several buildings throughout=20 Kerala. ---------- Copyright 2001-2005 newkerala.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 07 12:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43739 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:21:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:21:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:21:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:21:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New York State has its first indoor water park. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FGoMPySNyozXAcG-KjBpB17Avpn0lfGNkpWqqhfBHbCKAMY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/7/2006 The Associated Press Capital News 9 http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/top_stories/default.asp? ArID=3D167564 Queensbury, NY -- The Six Flags Great Escape Lodge and Indoor=20 Waterpark opened last weekend in the town of Queensbury. The facility=20 is located just off the Adirondack Northway and across the street=20 from the 6FGE amusement park, just south of Lake George. The water park features attractions from kiddie pools to a body- surfing ride, and three enclosed water slides that extend outside the=20 building. The business also features a 4-story, 200-room hotel and restaurants. There are about 70 indoor water parks around the country, but the=20 majority of them are in the Midwest. Wisconsin Dells in Wisconsin is=20 home to 18 indoor water parks. ----- Copyright 2006 Associated Press =A92006 TWEAN News Channel of Albany, L.L.C d.b.a. Capital News 9 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 07 12:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35010 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:28:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:28:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Chicagoan Rebuilds Riverview Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hd1L35SAU-ZiE-WHAXVgg_khqxV345qCotNalTniwJIzmTw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 5, 2006 CBS 2 Chicago http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_036205926.html by Vince Gerasole CHICAGO, IL -- When Riverview Amusement Park closed for the season in=20 1967, few suspected that it would never reopen. But the owners of the park that had thrilled Chicagoans for more than=20 half a century quietly sold it off and no one got to say goodbye. CBS 2's Vince Gerasole takes us Inside Chicago to meet a man who=20 found a way to go back to Riverview and visit it any time he wants. Look closely and you're almost there again, racing through the=20 entrance, past Aladdin's Castle, on your way to one of 7 roller=20 coasters at Riverview Park. Ed Fruh loved Riverview so much, he decided to rebuild it. Not the=20 whole thing, mind you, but most of it, in a much more manageable=20 scale for just one caretaker. "I didn't start doing it with the=20 intent that I was going to create something great," Fruh said. But great it is. From the Flying Turns to the Bobs. "My record on the=20 Bobs was 13 times; that's all the money I had and then I had to get=20 off," Fruh said. From the Shoot-the-Chutes splash to the nearly 200'-tall parachute=20 jump, Fruh created his H-O scale models without blueprints or=20 drawings. Working from vivid memories and old photographs, their=20 sizable realism is uncanny. "I wanted to see if I could scratch build=20 something that was still in my mind," Fruh said. "And by golly, it=20 came out pretty good." Fruh first attended the park as a youngster during the 1930s. "The=20 rides were 2 cents each, and you always had to make sure you had=20 enough money to get the streetcar ride back home. It was a long=20 walk," he said. And in his teens, he went every chance he could. "In your high school=20 days, it was a great place to take a date," Fruh said. "You could be=20 a big spender for a buck. For 64 years on 64 acres at the corner of Belmont and Western, a=20 different world awaited Chicagoans young and old. In all that time,=20 through several wars and the Great Depression, the slogan remained=20 the same: "Laugh your troubles away." For Ed Fruh the memories are priceless. "I can't go back to=20 Riverview, nobody can go back there, it's gone," he said. "I'd give a=20 million dollars to be able to go back to Riverview one more time and=20 enjoy those memories that are now gone." ---------- =A9 MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 07 13:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93717 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2006 20:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:17:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2006 20:17:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:17:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Polish city plans amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XNtjI6DxmTUVdUI3wappu_4tEJIdtqZMXJFqpslD8uocMNU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 06, 2006 Amusement Business http://amusementbusiness.com/amusementbusiness/industrynews/article_di splay.jsp?vnu_content_id=3D1001957788&imw=3DY By Juliana Koranteng VIENNA, Austria -- Local authorities at Wroclaw, Poland's 3rd-largest=20 city with a population of 650,000, has unveiled introductory plans to=20 launch an amusement park. The announcement, made at the Euro Attractions Show on Saturday, was=20 based on a preliminary study jointly conducted by Luxembourg-based JN=20 Entertainment & Leisure Consultancy and Lodz-based PAIT Polish=20 Tourism & Amusement Consulting. Wroclaw's deputy mayor Wojciech Adamski, who was at the EAS,=20 said: "The reason why the authorities want to develop an amusement=20 park is because of a growing economy that has seen our inhabitants=20 earn more money and need to spend on leisure." The real estate on which the park will be built will be supplied by=20 the local government. "We're providing our own land in this=20 investment, and the city is always reliable as a business partner,"=20 Adamski added. The study indicated that the amusement venture, expected to nearly 30=20 million euros, can expect about 400,000 visitors in its first year,=20 growing up to 600,000 in within 5 years. The exact launch timetable=20 has yet to be decided. "In general, the project could pay itself back=20 in 9 years, based on an initial investment of about 29 million euros=20 and government support to a certain extent," the advisors said in a=20 statement. "It will create around 300 direct jobs in the park with a=20 spin-off to other local businesses. The average annual economical=20 impact for the city is calculated at around 46 million euros." Jeroen Nijpel, JN Entertainment's founder, said about these=20 preliminary findings: "This is a conservative scenario as Poland is=20 still a greenfield when it comes to the amusement parks; therefore,=20 it is best not to make any commitments before any more is known." Should the amusement park get the local-government green light, it=20 will be Wroclaw's 3rd major leisure venture in recent years. Western City, a themed leisure village based on the American Wild=20 West, is scheduled for a May opening, while the city has joined=20 forces with German park operator Spa to open a waterpark at the end=20 of 2006. The city is also considering renting a Ferris wheel to install in=20 Wroclaw's city center as an experiment. The object will be to educate=20 the local officials on how their citizens and visitors will respond=20 to out-of-home entertainment in terms of pricing, for example. A local cultural-exchange association is also an investor in these=20 leisure enterprises. The EAS announcement comes after Rajmund Papiernik, programme=20 coordinator at Wroclaw municipality's cultural division, visited the=20 IAAPA Expo at Atlanta in November in search of potential investors=20 (AB Online, Nov. 17). --------- =A9 2005 VNU eMedia Inc. =A9 2005 Amusement Business From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 07:00:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42624 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 15:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 15:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 15:00:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 14:57:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 14:57:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 14:57:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:57:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Question for George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=RHqIt6WxAKgah3FjILtmCgNzt0RIjEUiXp5GKiHve1iSoPI04WZNjqg X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hey George I'm going to be in Orlando in a couple of weeks(taking my=20 daughter to Disney and Sea World!) and was wandering what is the=20 nicest beach close by. I figured if anyone could answer this question=20 it would be you!! From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 07:28:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2898 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.202) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 15:28:53 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so549672uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.143.11 with SMTP id q11mr1987823nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:18:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=9yUSuqHrehC8d-YAUZblvvz4C9RFIaQJOr4pBo6w5mRw9-SnFTdwvJw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Hey George I'm going to be in Orlando in a couple of weeks(taking my > daughter to Disney and Sea World!) and was wandering what is the > nicest beach close by. I'm not George, but I like Cocoa Beach best. It's pretty much straight east of Orlando, easy to get to, and closer than heading to the gulf (about an hour vs two to the gulf). It's also a pretty decent place to collect sea shells, if your daughter would enjoy that. It's not the prettiest beach imaginable, but I think it's fairly decent. The waves are much bigger here than on the gulf, though, so that may be a concern if you have younger kids. Clearwater (west of Tampa) is prettier, and the waves are much calmer, but it's very touristy, and can be a drive from Orlando. -- -Nate Holy #*@$&, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 08:15:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50932 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 16:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 16:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.200) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 16:15:13 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so65894ugf for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr984513nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:14:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:06 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <156AD58D-919E-4B6F-8FCA-2FD9C7B117D9@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1e1.4cb53a45.3116c6af@aol.com> <156AD58D-919E-4B6F-8FCA-2FD9C7B117D9@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Great Escape to double new parking fees to ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Noe7r83m-0-KGFQecq4ALAK7al5B5aiKBJVDQqQ6iYBkEknrBCp9al4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > These guys are about the worst examples of amusement park owners that ha= s > come down the pike! They are bean counters. They know NOTHING of how the > other half, the people who come to their parks, live! Mark Shapiro doesn'= t > know a roller coaster from a hole in the head! This seems like a pretty unsubstantiated statement to me. These guys have been in charge for a very short time, and I don't think it's smart or fair to start judging how things are going to go yet. Let's give it some time. > Don't fool yourselves, Mark Shapiro doesn't care one thing about the peop= le > who come to his parks, he only cares about his pocket book. Well, if anyone seemed to care only about money, it was the old regime. They slashed budgets like crazy, which has resulted in the parks operating in some pretty poor conditions. At least it looks like these new guys aren't afraid to spend money on something other than coasters. > I propose as many people as possible just go somewhere else this summer > other than a Six Flags park. He is raising prices as fast as Cedar Fair i= s lowering > them! Let's go there! The only Cedar Fair park that has lowered prices (besides the obviously-failing Geauga Lake) is Cedar Point, and that comes after years of price hikes. It's not like Cedar Fair parks are ultra-affordable. Plus, I prefer to visit parks that have more than three trees. > Not at all .. I agree with you. I want the old guys back! Or at the > very least I want to be able to fast-forward five years, to the time > when Shapiro realized that he's made some bad decisions - I'm > confident he won't let things go for as long as the previous guys did. I still think it's way early to tell what's going to happen.=20 Certainly Shapiro will make some mistakes, and I think the pricing is one of them. I also think that mistake will be corrected quickly.=20 But other than that, what bad things have we seen? Compare that with all the good we've heard about - focusing on family attractions, increased landscaping budgets, emphasis on employee training and customer service, paint for rides that need them. I'm looking at this skeptically, but I'm also not ignoring some of the good things they seem to be doing. I certainly don't see them making some of the huge blunders Premier did when they first came in. -- -Nate Holy #*@#, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 08 08:42:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93314 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 16:42:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 16:39:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 16:39:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:39:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Florida beaches (was Question for George Burnash) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bUpQKUzDmxrUNNzd-pASnX3zRSwOTVtQ-jDwB9YEZY6dEpk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Hey George I'm going to be in Orlando in a couple of weeks(taking my > > daughter to Disney and Sea World!) and was wandering what is the > > nicest beach close by. >=20 > I'm not George, but I like Cocoa Beach best. It's pretty much > straight east of Orlando, easy to get to, and closer than heading to > the gulf (about an hour vs two to the gulf). It's also a pretty > decent place to collect sea shells, if your daughter would enjoy that. > It's not the prettiest beach imaginable, but I think it's fairly > decent. The waves are much bigger here than on the gulf, though, so > that may be a concern if you have younger kids. >=20 > Clearwater (west of Tampa) is prettier, and the waves are much calmer, > but it's very touristy, and can be a drive from Orlando. Nate's got a pretty good answer for you. I actually live on the other side of the state, so to get to the beaches that I would go to, you're looking at 90-120 minutes of driving. Which is kind of silly when you're 30-45 minutes from a good beach in that area, if that far.=20 Honestly, outside of driving through Daytona Beach, which is nice but very touristy, I really haven't checked out any of the East Coast beaches. So for a good beach near Orlando, I'd say go with what Nate says, or check the tourist guides. I'm sure that someone else on here will able be able to help. But unfortunately, I'm not much help on that one. :( keep on ridin' George From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 10:13:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60027 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 18:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:13:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:13:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:13:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=y_EJtN5RzhgFaQSgiZXC1lj-un8X0NlRuZp8-BsTV2aVXdyrtlP6aEA X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks guys I didn't know you were from Florida too Nate I just knew=20 George was. So Cocoa Beach is about an hour drive than?? That sounds=20 like the beach to hit...my daughter loves seashells! And I can't tell=20 you guys how pumped I am to ride Kraken! Thanks again. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 10:27:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81902 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.194) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:27:26 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q2so28143uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.244.4 with SMTP id r4mr2056804nfh; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:27:23 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602061450.AA2706440406@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=DNT2NbLBmgcs0p_I_h6Cj2AjIGv8QTH-3_w6D46IIDylU-VzbaZR_eU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 This is gonna' be a long one, so forgive me. > It's also not something that any of the Six Flags guys seem to do- at > least not from any reports that I've heard. Heck, I know at a lot of > parks it's hard to even get the GM's out of their offices and into their > own parks. That may be true with some GM's, but it's not true with all of them. I've = seen general managers walking around at more than half of the Six Flags parks I've visited. In addition, a lot of the old Premier general managers are currently being replaced. On top of that, I think it's pretty early to say whether these new Six Flags guys are going to walk around the parks or not. Already we see them touring the parks, so I'd say there's more evidence that they ARE going to walk around than otherwise. If Mr. Busch can visit from St. Louis, why is New York such a problem? > And with the move to NY, a lot of us see the > new top management moving even further away from the parks. You can't > manage them effectively if you're not in them. But see, what I've been arguing the whole time is that Premier was never in *them*, they were (essentially) in *one* park. That doesn't help the greater chain at all! > I've heard that Kinzel made it a point to get out and visit his other par= ks at least > once a year. So did the Premier guys. > They killed off the Mr. Six campaign, which would've gone on for > who knows how long I see this as a bad move. Whether or not you enjoyed Mr. Six, it's difficult to argue that it wasn't a successful campaign. I think destroying one of the few things that was working well was a bad idea. > I really think that SF eventually would have gone under. Maybe not > the entire chain, but some parks, just because the management was so > terrible. They couldn't keep going on the way they were, and I'm > really hoping that these new guys can help make sure not only the > parks and brand sticks around, but that they get better and start > becoming a more pleasant place to be. I don't agree. I actually agree with Cameron on this, and that is that the old Six Flags management was gradually turning the chain around. They made some catastrophic mistakes early on, then made even more, but many of those mistakes were slowly being corrected, and attendance was rising. There was still a long way to go in terms of customer service, training, and park upkeep, but the dangers of "going under" were lessening. So while I was frustrated that control was yanked from these guys just when they were starting to turn the chain around, I don't necessarily agree that Shapiro and Co are going to be the death of the chain. > Actually it's American Eagle (at Six Flags Great America), and it's > running pretty darn well .. I'd even say that last season (2005) it > was giving better rides than Viper. (Please don't hurt me, Nate!) Hey, you're the one who worships Viper! I've always thought it to be a rather overrated ride, and I've also preferred American Eagle to Viper on several visits. I only visited once in 2005, though, and didn't bother to ride Viper so I can't comment on that year in particular. Although I think both of SFGAm's wooden coasters are well-maintained, it's the steelies that keep me coming back. > > - Just about every wood coaster at every park poorly maintained > That's a generalization of ludicrous proportions. I agree, especially compared with the other chains out there.=20 Paramount has some really terrible wooden coasters. So does Cedar Fair. I think this can really only be judged on a park-by-park basis, and not by chain. > In a Disney park you don't have to eat > McDonalds and Pizza Hut, nor are you accosted by people selling you > mobile phones - all of which has been promised by the new owners. Snyder has talked a lot about marketing tie-ins, but I haven't seen a lot of solid information yet about what, if anything, we can expect to see next year. I know they're talking to major food chains (like Papa Johns) about taking over food services, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. The food at most Six Flags parks was pretty bad. > No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically > saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing > to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as > you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll > market to to families"?? This sounds like a move to differentiate themselves from the former management. I think they probably realize the value in new roller coasters, and the parks that will need them will get them. For now, however, I don't think there's any park that desperately needs such a large, new investment. > Maybe SF will surprise everyone and follow Dollywood's lead and get a > GCI or two. It's too bad SF didn't buy like 4 of them to put in > SFGAd instead of using the 25 million on Kingda Ka... we could've had > a quad dueling/racing coaster. THAT would've been money well spent. I had to laugh at this. If anything is a waste of money, it's buying *four* new coasters in one year and marketing it as one. [re: Dollywod] > Now there's a park lead to follow. And not just because of their most > recent coaster (though it's one that I sure hope is followed up on) > They put in a large ride package last year, though many of them were > essentially flats. This year it's a larger thrill ride and adding onto > their "new" area. And they've got some big plans for the future. I'm sure Dollywood is a great park to visit, and I'm sure they have their stuff together. But I think it's important to realize that there are some huge differences between a park like Dollywood and the Six Flags chain. Do we, as enthusiasts, really only want to see parks like Dollywood? If so, then we can plan on never seeing anymore hypercoasters or big B&M's. In other words, there's a big difference between a small-time operation like Dollywood and something bigger like Six Flags, that can afford the rides we love. > What I don't get is after all the problems with Intamin and their Rocket > Coasters and then > the bad summer of problems with Kingda Ka... why would they work with > Intamin again > on El Toro?! El Toro was announced in September, which is just four months after Kingda Ka opened. El Toro was planned, designed, and signed for well before any problems with Kingda Ka surfaced. --- -Nate Holy *#^%, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 08 10:39:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47812 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 18:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:39:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:39:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:39:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:39:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=IUzIlObtLuaUM091mGKu1G1BeQ4pztsjnr7q325clP5kzX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > Thanks guys I didn't know you were from Florida too Nate I just knew=20 > George was. So Cocoa Beach is about an hour drive than?? That sounds=20 > like the beach to hit...my daughter loves seashells! And I can't tell=20 > you guys how pumped I am to ride Kraken! Thanks again. > He's not. Last I heard he was up in or near Wiscosin (did you ever move Nate?) He just likes to come down to Florida and visit fairly often, but I never hear about it until after he's left for some reason. I smell conspiracy. :P We do have several others to that either live in Florida or visit fairly often that may also reply. Just give them some time. Some only check their messages every couple of days. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 08 10:54:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11103 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 18:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:54:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 12:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 18:53:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:53:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=szD-dQI952Fu_xZ6rT5xHqeiiC_jdNy5W171YrydaJ15jbs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > This is gonna' be a long one, so forgive me. Ok, you're forgiven. :P =20 > > And with the move to NY, a lot of us see the > > new top management moving even further away from the parks. You can't > > manage them effectively if you're not in them. >=20 > But see, what I've been arguing the whole time is that Premier was > never in *them*, they were (essentially) in *one* park. That doesn't > help the greater chain at all! In regards to this, and the other new management vs. old management, etc., actually Nate I think that in many ways we're a lot closer to agreement than we're showing. Gotta feeling we're both playing devil's advocate there. In any case, on many of those points as you've said, it's far to early to really tell anything. We're going to have to wait for a year or two of actual operations. So until then, agree to disagree and wait and see? :) > > They killed off the Mr. Six campaign, which would've gone on for > > who knows how long >=20 > I see this as a bad move. Whether or not you enjoyed Mr. Six, it's > difficult to argue that it wasn't a successful campaign. I think > destroying one of the few things that was working well was a bad idea. This I completely agree with you. This seems, to me at least, to be such an obvious mistake. Maybe reduce his presence some as it might have been starting to verge on overkill. But to end it completely is just a bad move. > Hey, you're the one who worships Viper! I've always thought it to be > a rather overrated ride, and I've also preferred American Eagle to > Viper on several visits. I only visited once in 2005, though, and > didn't bother to ride Viper so I can't comment on that year in > particular. Although I think both of SFGAm's wooden coasters are > well-maintained, it's the steelies that keep me coming back. Now if I could just get out there to actually get some real rides on American Eagle. One ride on it backwards almost doesn't count. But I loved Viper. > > > - Just about every wood coaster at every park poorly maintained >=20 > > That's a generalization of ludicrous proportions. >=20 > I agree, especially compared with the other chains out there.=20 > Paramount has some really terrible wooden coasters. So does Cedar > Fair. I think this can really only be judged on a park-by-park basis, > and not by chain. I agree, as it will even vary widely within the chains, and sometimes even within the same park. Some parks take very good care of their woodies (e.g. SFGrAm, SFMW, and several others), and others don't. > I know they're talking to major food chains (like Papa > Johns) about taking over food services, but I don't necessarily think > that's a bad thing. The food at most Six Flags parks was pretty bad. This is actually one area I don't mind on their part. In many of the parks the food couldn't get much, if any, worse. Getting some more tie ins will only help. They already had Subway in some parks. And Disney does do McDonalds in their parks. If it improves the quality- and the variety in many cases, then I'm all for it. > > No but they're not nothing either, and these new guys are basically > > saying "no coasters, ever again". Why can't we find someone willing > > to stand in the middle-ground? Why is it either "as many coasters as > > you can cram down their throats" or "crappy cheap rides that we'll > > market to to families"?? >=20 > This sounds like a move to differentiate themselves from the former > management. I think they probably realize the value in new roller > coasters, and the parks that will need them will get them. For now, > however, I don't think there's any park that desperately needs such a > large, new investment. It seems to gradually be shifting. At first they pretty bluntly said no new coasters. Recently though the comments have been indicating that they won't do as many coasters- not as often, and probably not as big. But that they will still add some in occaisionally. But I do think the coaster boom is behind us now. > [re: Dollywod] > > Now there's a park lead to follow. And not just because of their most > > recent coaster (though it's one that I sure hope is followed up on) > > They put in a large ride package last year, though many of them were > > essentially flats. This year it's a larger thrill ride and adding onto > > their "new" area. And they've got some big plans for the future. >=20 > I'm sure Dollywood is a great park to visit, and I'm sure they have > their stuff together. But I think it's important to realize that > there are some huge differences between a park like Dollywood and the > Six Flags chain. Do we, as enthusiasts, really only want to see parks > like Dollywood? If so, then we can plan on never seeing anymore > hypercoasters or big B&M's. I wouldn't count them out on that. It wasn't that long ago that they put in a good size Arrow looper (possibly the best of Arrow's coasters), and they have some major plans in the works that seem to indicate another big coaster coming in. Management is also the same company that put in Wildfire at SDC, which is also a great coaster. I wouldn't count them out on hypers or "big" coasters, but they seem far more interested in quality over quantity/ size, and that's a trade I'd gladly make anyday. In any case, it's looking like it's going to be an interesting season to watch. To bad it's looking like I'm pretty much going to be stuck at home for most of it. :( keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 11:17:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10759 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.204) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 19:17:18 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so864uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.244.4 with SMTP id r4mr2072478nfh; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:17:17 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=TQeOEvR0wyUwLTViNOfLFgxLdg4qOz-IkDlnt88pY1crQ0rjtFa87fM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Thanks guys I didn't know you were from Florida too Nate I > He's not. Last I heard he was up in or near Wiscosin (did you ever > move Nate?) I'm still in Madison, WI but I graduate in May, and am looking at where to next. I'm considering Vancouver. > He just likes to come down to Florida and visit fairly > often, but I never hear about it until after he's left for some > reason. I smell conspiracy. :P There's no conspiracy. :-) I was in FL for a *day* last month - long enough to go to IOA and Pleasure Island, but that was it. I'll be down there for a week in March, but I'll be with family. I'll e-mail you when I know the day we'll be at BGT, though, and I can at least look for you to say "hi". -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 11:29:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4427 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 19:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 19:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 19:29:22 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y2so8601uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.95.19 with SMTP id x19mr614895nfl; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:29:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:29:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=I82cqaIZrVivGDoymZFTSrDN6RgSuNObXa1YPtbCmBsg_XAV9UBLCKM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I wouldn't count them out on that. It wasn't that long ago that they > put in a good size Arrow looper (possibly the best of Arrow's > coasters), and they have some major plans in the works that seem to > indicate another big coaster coming in. Management is also the same > company that put in Wildfire at SDC, which is also a great coaster. I > wouldn't count them out on hypers or "big" coasters, but they seem far > more interested in quality over quantity/ size, and that's a trade I'd > gladly make anyday. Obviously what one considers to be a "big" coaster varies wildly, but Tennessee Tornado strikes me as fairly small, and Wildfire is maybe medium-sized. Look at the list of top steel coasters in the world, though: S:ROS (SFNE) Expedition GeForce Millennium Force Nemeis Katun Nitro Pyrenees Montu S:ROS (SFA) Sheikra Goliath Of all of these rides, the only one that's similar in size to what I'd expect at SDC or Dollywood is Nemesis, and that ride's "quality" factor is probably due to the incredible theming. Otherwise, all of the rides that enthusiasts rave about are huge rides that these parks could never afford, and would never install. So as enthusiasts, is that really what we want? -- -Nate Holy *#^@&, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From serpmage@juno.com Wed Feb 08 11:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20236 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from webmail38.lax.untd.com (webmail38.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.178]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8WU3XAM4LERS for (sender ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail38.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGQAD9HM; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:48:46 PST Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail38.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:48:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:48:19 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060208.114846.23349.283138@webmail38.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1762831560 X-MAIL-INFO:034d09bdd58184d5449081298429f4719dc1cd39142504ad15c19de4f511d9d504 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAA78NgHO6levk8BXw3qrc2jpYUIdlIJp/g== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.178|webmail38.lax.untd.com|webmail38.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=VexVVW0fgck_wXSBiBnCqZoygtdtG69xH98eaE-OKHjguD5weg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Well, at least every few hours. Like they said, most of the nice beaches are going to be very commercialize= d. If you're up to a 3.5 hr drive from Orlando, Miami's South Beach really= is as beautiful as advertized, just don't leave anything valuable in your = car ;) However for a beach with sand almost as nice as Daytona, you can go about 2= 0 to 30 min south on A-1-A to the Ponce Inlet Wildlife Preserve. A lot qui= eter with a good amount of pristine mangrove wetlands to enjoy (when it's n= ot mosquito season at least). If you start going very much further than th= at, the beaces turn from sand to crushed seashells. Cocoa sand is pretty g= ood, but as you keep going to like Patrick AFB and Melbourne, long walks in= the surf aren't very nice as your feet will be quite tender by then end of= the day, and sandcastles don't hold together real well. But be sure to ride Kraken while you're in town, she's my baby. I had over= 100 rides on it before the state ride inspectors had come out to certify i= t for the public. By the time it had opened to the general public, I had b= roken 500, and by the end of the summer I was well over 1,000 and stopped k= eeping track. And I am actually able to take large credit for why the Incr= edible Hulk is no longer a moldy mess. I tipped off some of the management= there that Kraken had to use a special meat fog because regular water did = bad things to the trains. hmmm, until then, Hulk had been using just a wat= er spray in the tunnel under the bridge. dunno what it is now, but the tra= ins are way cleaner now than they were when the ride first opened. :D ~Tim N. -------------------- Original Message: -------------------- --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > Thanks guys I didn't know you were from Florida too Nate I just knew=20 > George was. So Cocoa Beach is about an hour drive than?? That sounds=20 > like the beach to hit...my daughter loves seashells! And I can't tell=20 > you guys how pumped I am to ride Kraken! Thanks again. > He's not. Last I heard he was up in or near Wiscosin (did you ever move Nate?) He just likes to come down to Florida and visit fairly often, but I never hear about it until after he's left for some reason. I smell conspiracy. :P We do have several others to that either live in Florida or visit fairly often that may also reply. Just give them some time. Some only check their messages every couple of days. keep on ridin' George ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Feb 08 11:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77028 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 19:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 19:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 19:59:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 19:56:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:56:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.70.72 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=rHvxdc-uQFHe1f9IxeOrA6FBH8U59l2v5tdf5y6gIft4VTIK X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > >=20 > > I see this as a bad move. Whether or not you enjoyed Mr. Six, it's > > difficult to argue that it wasn't a successful campaign. I think > > destroying one of the few things that was working well was a bad idea. >=20 > This I completely agree with you. This seems, to me at least, to be > such an obvious mistake. Maybe reduce his presence some as it might > have been starting to verge on overkill. But to end it completely is > just a bad move. I think the campaign's success may be overrated here. Yes, a lot of people liked it, but there are also a lot of people who didn't. The amount of people who think he was a creepy old fart is too high in my opninion - if I'm in charge of marketing, I want something that doesn't alienate a large chunk of my prospective clients. Perhaps I am wrong though, I'm no marketing guy - is there anyone who can tell me if, say, a 50% or 75% success rate is successful in marketing? I also think moving past Mr. Six is a symbolic thing too - a way to show the people there's new folks in charge, much like the newspaper articles that seem to pop up after many of Shapiro's visits. It's all about the marketing. If there is one credit to be given to Mark Shapiro, it's his marketing prowess - skills that I'll trust over the baboons that are enthusiasts of internet coasterdom (myself included)... By the way Mr. Six will not be killed this year, just used in a greatly reduced role. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 12:12:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93947 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 20:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 20:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 20:12:07 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so9656ugf for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr1061454nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:12:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:12:02 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200602061450.AA2706440406@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602061450.AA2706440406@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=snUqJJzIL-IKJ7EYnZTyOVZOq9OwQnrd-R87C3MpBpN7TPNO_mkfsrI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > And at that time, Disney was not a chain. < > > IMO, that was a good thing. That's great that you think that, and I'm sure nobody here is surprised. But Six Flags *is* a chain, so it's useless to try to compare it to Disney when it was just one park. > > A problem at Frontier City may be a good thing at another park. < > > Yeah, I love a flooded bathroom. Seriously, there are problems that are = endemic > across the chain, like trash, poorly-staffed rides, badly-managed= queue flow, > overpriced food.... These may be problems across the chain, but I also see these problems at all sorts of parks. These are problems with a variety of causes, and fixing those problems at Frontier City isn't going to magically fix the problems at SFMM. If you've never worked in lower management, it's probably difficult to understand what it's like to be passed down a new procedure that makes no sense for your location. Yet you're forced to follow it because it's a problem at *one* location, and top management feels it must therefore be a problem everywhere. The truth is that lower management - people who are on-site on a daily basis (like general managers) - are the only ones who can truly correct problems like these. For instance, maybe Frontier City is trashy because there simply aren't enough staff. So Corporate orders that all parks double their staffing for sweepers. That's not going to solve the problem at a park without enough trash cans, a park with poor staff training, or a park with inadaquate facilities for handling trash. And flooded bathrooms? A plumbing issue at one park doesn't mean it's a chain-wide problem. Again, top management needs to make sure the general managers are doing their jobs. They don't need to spend the time meddling in business they have no place in. > Middle management will treat all of that as simply "the way it works" unl= ess > upper management steps in and says, "Change it." But upper management > won't change a thing if they rarely set foot on the midway and interact w= ith their > guests. Why is it that, according to you, only top management has any care about how the park is operated or what it looks like? Get good middle management in there - general managers who care - and things improve.=20 It's not like things will only change if the CEO comes in and has a problem with trash; a general manager is enough for that issue. > Other "chains" do not behave this way. Dick Kinzel pretty much lives at = Cedar > Point and wanders the midway daily. And again, that's one park (in that case, a gigantic flagship that can probably use the extra management). How does that help Knott's or Valleyfair? > Harry Henninger walks around picking up any stray trash at Kennywood. An= d > Tom Wages at (Kennywood's) Lake Compounce started every day taking ticket= s > at the main gate. Both of these guys, if I'm not mistaken, are general managers. I thought you said middle management (ie general managers) can't change anything? > >That's what General Managers and corporate audits are for. < > But that's also assuming that those managers and auditors have the guest > experience as their first concern. The problem with the huge chains is t= hat there's simply too much money riding on those decisions to be made hone= stly. If someone's job is on the line, rather than correct the problems in= the park (which would usually cost money), it's easier to simply paint a r= osy (if false) picture to keep the bosses happy -- especially if they don't= visit very often.z That's a rather faulty line of reasoning when you consider the fact that any management - lower, middle, or top - can behave in the *exact same way*. All management is accountable to someone, and all management has the power to just "paint a rosy picture" to make things appear like they're okay. This is not a problem limited to one level of management, and not a problem that has any relation to where the corporate offices are located. > By distancing themselves from the parks -- even if there's middle managem= ent to > keep them informed -- they never really get the complete picture. = Because if > they're not *in* the parks, there's no way to experience what the guests = do. I guess I continue to fail to grasp the magical difference between top-level management and in-park management. There's middle management in the park on a daily basis, and I know from personal experience that these are people who really care. And why shouldn't they? They're getting paid next to nothing for a truly difficult job with long hours, and little time off. If anyone is guilty of working for the money and not for the love of the busines, it's those in top management. -- -Nate Holy shit, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 12:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23796 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 20:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 20:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.197) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 20:21:25 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1574379wra for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.20 with SMTP id n20mr1890838qbr; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.122.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30602081221n12cca86eiada98d01cf609e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:21:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=SLeIDESW8ebpnc8rEWhd2rBQtTygHRfpGVxtmGpCWLObiwgR X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 2/8/06, George Burnash wrote: > In any case, on many of those points as > you've said, it's far to early to really tell anything. We're going > to have to wait for a year or two of actual operations. So until > then, agree to disagree and wait and see? :) That is exactly it. The optimist in me sees all these announcements and press releases and says, "great, they're cleaning things up, it's a new regime taking a fresh approach with new eyes and things are going to be better and turn around." And the skeptic in me says, "We've seen announcements like this before. It's the off season and there is no way of knowing that this isn't all just PR lip service until we can see it implemented and see the new changes actually be effective and last into the busy season and into subsequent years of operation." Reality will probably fall somewhere in the middle, but right now none of us can say with 100% certainty that idea A is going to be flawlessly executed and attract the targeted people in the right numbers who will spend enough money any more that ideas B, C, D, etc. The arguments between optimists and skeptics are going to keep up for a while on all the Six Flags stuff because the crowd participating in the arguments is passionate about the subject and wants to see things change for the better, but it's also the same group that have been burned by similar "changes" in the past. Beth From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Feb 08 12:38:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66442 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id r.1f6.1ae85879 (3866) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1f6.1ae85879.311bb0a8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:38:00 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just love how I keep seeing how this thing is referred to as a regime change. Sounds like they are a terrorist third world nation! Regimes are usually associated with third world terroristic nations such as Iraq, they got a regime change! But, perhaps with many of the not so welcomed changes I am hearing from the Six Flags organization, it may well turn into a regime like that! The new CEO sure sounds like a dictator to me! He was at Kentucky Kingdom and snapped his fingers and said, make that one attraction free! Just like that! Maybe you all are right, it IS a regime change! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 08 13:16:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37956 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 21:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 21:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.196) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 21:16:49 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so11679ugc for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr1079386nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.8 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:16:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:16:46 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1f6.1ae85879.311bb0a8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f6.1ae85879.311bb0a8@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=k6aImKe1hMHfDt-med10flO1BKVu2wuR1P9K-S5wv7oj5FcsYfTOFxw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I just love how I keep seeing how this thing is referred to as a regime > change. Sounds > like they are a terrorist third world nation! Regimes are usually associ= ated > with third > world terroristic nations such as Iraq, they got a regime change! No, that's just what we hear about daily by the media. That doesn't change the accepted definition of the word: Regime: mode of rule or management > The new CEO sure sounds like a > dictator to me! > He was at Kentucky Kingdom and snapped his fingers and said, make that on= e > attraction > free! Just like that! God forbid he actually *gasp* made something free! -- -Nate (apparently setting some kind of posting record today) Holy #&*@#&, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 13:44:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6220 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 21:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 21:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 21:44:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:44:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 21:44:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:44:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060208.114846.23349.283138@webmail38.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=buo_1zJOALgd4SnYFjMW6w4Rp_Nir-yng5agRf1tFuz3VPpfmZfV X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." wrote: > > Like they said, most of the nice beaches are going to be very=20 > commercialized. If you're up to a 3.5 hr drive from Orlando,=20 > Miami's South Beach really is as beautiful as advertized, just=20 > don't leave anything valuable in your car ;) I drove the length of Florida last year and really enjoyed the Gulf=20 Coast beaches in the Panhandle from Apalachicola to Alabama. The parts=20 near Panama City are hugely commercialized, but there are also places=20 like the Gulf Islands National Seashore that are as quiet and pleasant=20 as anything. Of course, all of that is a day's drive from Orlando, but=20 hey, if you happen to be driving through... > I tipped off some of the management there that Kraken had to use a=20 > special meat fog because regular water did bad things to the=20 > trains.=20 Okay, I'm assuming "meat fog" is a typo, but I can't imagine what it=20 was that you intended to say. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 14:44:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56502 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2006 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 22:44:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 22:44:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 22:44:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2006 22:44:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:44:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060208.114846.23349.283138@webmail38.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cS5YuVji2Cylik_-StnKzEnAwCxt-YkAu4telAutQmqV21o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." wrote: >SNIP< And I am actually able to take large credit for why the=20 Incredible Hulk is no longer a moldy mess. I tipped off some of the=20 management there that Kraken had to use a special meat fog because=20 regular water did bad things to the trains.=20=20 MEAT FOG?!? What like hamburger or chicken? Mmmmm.....Hamburger... -Alan From serpmage@juno.com Wed Feb 08 17:32:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20745 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from webmail53.lax.untd.com (webmail53.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.193]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8XG64AQNHZDS for (sender ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail53.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGQVZQBH; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:31:27 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail53.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:30:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:30:56 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060208.173127.8594.288951@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1413717260 X-MAIL-INFO:29ea8b936b170b6b1e1e179e0b9ecffa634aaeabcade9a57aa4a63e7f3978a6b9a X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hANMZ5vCYNsDHKbMfa3ZCVwLdb90mAmGHGw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.193|webmail53.lax.untd.com|webmail53.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thanks for info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=zTHH_k7viWTl4_qD5o8W-9VXy49-_DlQTkezNPHsr3uqPmf_XA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr lol, no. just the term I've always used for what's basically theatrical fo= g/dry ice effect. dunno where I picked it up, but I'm sure it came from th= e fog effect you sometimes get in a meatlocker or deep freeze. ~Tim N. ------------------- Original Message ------------------- --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." wrote: >SNIP< And I am actually able to take large credit for why the=20 Incredible Hulk is no longer a moldy mess. I tipped off some of the=20 management there that Kraken had to use a special meat fog because=20 regular water did bad things to the trains.=20=20 MEAT FOG?!? What like hamburger or chicken? Mmmmm.....Hamburger... ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! 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From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Wed Feb 08 19:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50167 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 03:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 03:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.91) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 03:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 75470 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2006 03:53:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060209035316.75468.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.218.59.232] by web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:53:16 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: Stratosphere in Vegas Closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=eHIjNc3RKE_YwLc8dWh-62NrqcN2wLENg_KDGXrjVOP6TfG4p0klSw X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI1 This little news I noticed in this and another group and I wonder if a= nyone here has ever been on it? I've not been on it nor anywhere in Vegas!= Just curious! =20=20=20 Thanks! Ann Marie - getting ready to watch The Grammy's =20=20 High Roller Ends its Streak=20 The world's highest roller coaster has closed: the High Roller, which h= as encircled the crown of Las Vegas' Stratosphere Tower since 1996, will be= dismantled to make way for a new attraction. The circular roller coaster f= rom Premier Rides with cumbersome restraints ran along an all-right-turning= course at the frightful altitude of over 900 feet. Other rides at the top = of the tower =97 Big Shot, X-Scream, and Insanity =97 will continue operati= ng.=20 Blessings and ttfn..... =BAo=BAAnn Fowler-Ontario, So. Calif., USA=20=20 AIM, Ebay ID, and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak MSN IM: disneyfreak777@hotmail.com http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak =20 =09=09 --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Feb 09 06:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4914 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 14:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 14:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 14:12:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 14:09:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 14:09:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 14:09:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:09:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Question: Universal express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=8ckd_z2mBGrhW0b6OnJ2uEmTBqqGpZnA4E8iZE3pQjs8b-0nXGwWeLY X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Have just read on a message board that universal in orlando are=20=20 discontinuing their express facilities.. is this true? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 09 07:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30214 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 15:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 15:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.203) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 15:25:37 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k3so287448ugf for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 07:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.59.19 with SMTP id m19mr2236339nfk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 07:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.206.20 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:24:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:24:29 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Universal express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=A256XmJpzdo8y6cK5DCj2JWqQTLczSfWmQKcGN9ys7B9G_DLKVYnywg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Have just read on a message board that universal in > orlando are > discontinuing their express facilities.. is this true? Yes, I believe express passes are discontinued for non-hotel guests.=20 I know for sure that all free passes are discontinued. You may still be able to buy them at the parks. Depending on when you're visiting and how much you're planning on trying to cram in, I doubt you'd need them. -- -Nate Holy #*$%, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Feb 09 07:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7247 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 15:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 15:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 15:39:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 15:39:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 15:39:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:39:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Question: Universal express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ClEqAK1LFbnPkqLPBPBDrDjv96h58roiqPXT8Vg3A4L_xdc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Have just read on a message board that universal in > > orlando are > > discontinuing their express facilities.. is this true? >=20 > Yes, I believe express passes are discontinued for non-hotel guests.=20 > I know for sure that all free passes are discontinued. You may still > be able to buy them at the parks. At least for the time being the free ones are discontinued. There's some dispute as to whether or not that's just for the offseason or not. We may have to wait and see until after Spring Break to know for sure. Last time I was there, just over a month ago, you could buy an Express Pass for the day. However, I didn't check to see how much the passes were since we were passholders, so I'm not much help there. They still had the machines and everything set up for the free ones, but they were covered up and closed down. And yes, you get one if you stay in their hotel rooms, but be prepared for the high cost of the room if you do that. They're rooms are often 2-4 times the going rates of most of the hotels, depending on how fancy you go. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 08:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35759 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:11:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:11:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:11:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060209035316.75468.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Stratosphere in Vegas Closes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Qs8jVKZ86EkOw0BKL_l8cJfJxqNsSkcxKC9MgOSl9Wy_zPs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I was on it once. It was basically a kiddy coaster. The only scary thing about it was the fact that it was perched on top=20 of a 900' tower. And for a person with a fear of heights - like me - it was scary. But=20 boring. Talking about a paradox! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "=BAo=BAAnn" Marie Fowler=20 wrote:=20 > HI1 This little news I noticed in this and another group and I=20 wonder if anyone here has ever been on it? I've not been on it nor=20 anywhere in Vegas! Just curious! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 08:21:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93168 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:21:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:21:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:21:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Resort Developer Buys 65 Acres Next to Amusement Park, Country Club X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RvduG0vVNIITE--2VOSUL6fyxbZyttOlYUqFTW6pahgJJwA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 9, 2006 Globe St.com http://www.globest.com/news/471_471/global/142807-1.html By Brian K. Miller=20 YORK COUNTY, VA -- A resort developer from Harbinger, NC has acquired=20 65 acres here for a possible timeshare development. The land is=20 adjacent to the entrance of Williamsburg Country Club and Busch=20 Gardens Amusement Park near I-64. The buyer, Landmark Resort Properties of VA LLC, acquired the land=20 from Delaware-based Revocor Corp. for $5 million. Given the=20 property's location next to 2 significant recreation/entertainment=20 venues, the new owner is considering a timeshare development on the=20 land, according to the seller's broker, Sperry James Tucker of Sperry=20 Van Ness in Williamsburg. According to Tucker, the land had been on the market with another=20 brokerage company for a year. Tucker reportedly named the parcel Park=20 View because of the view of the roller coasters at Busch Gardens.=20 Marketing garnered interest from 2 residential agents - Cindy Deakyne=20 of RE/MAX Capital and William Barner of the Buyers Real Estate=20 Broker - who brought the buyer to the table. Tucker tells GlobeSt.com the property had been on the market a couple=20 of times previously through other brokerage houses, but was a hard=20 sell because of several factors. "The property had always been=20 plagued by mystery as to how it would be served by utilities, and it=20 was broken into 3 noncontiguous parcels," he says. "We recommended=20 the seller engage an engineering firm to resolve the utility issue=20 and provide some understanding of how the property could be turned=20 into a single parcel." The engineering firm did just that, and also confirmed that, with a=20 rezone, the project would work well as a site for a timeshare=20 development. To solve the issues, "There was a series of land swaps=20 with an adjacent landowner, and also some trading back and forth with=20 the golf course to access the sewer to service the property," says=20 Tucker. "It stayed under contract for a little over a year before it=20 closed, but that is pretty typical for a property that has to go=20 through a rezone." Before all that could occur, however, Tucker says he had to find a=20 buyer that could see the possibility. Although the price was dropped=20 a little bit, Tucker says what got the property sold was the fact=20 that a wide net was cast. "We blew the doors open to find a buyer,"=20 he says. "It's always surprising where buyers come from, and these=20 guys weren't on anybody's radar screen. They have never developed a=20 timeshare before." ------- =A9 2006 Real Estate Media From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 08:35:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20655 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:35:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:35:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OBITUARY: George Millay July 4, 1929 - February 6, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RieZ1eqisP9mT1tExrZj3n7SMaqVLmcFFR18VhOPzf2b-ps X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 8, 2006 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl- millay0806feb08,0,2124666.story?track=3Drss By Scott Powers & Jim Leusner San Diego, CA -- George Millay, a restless theme-park visionary who=20 founded SeaWorld and Wet 'n Wild and pioneered Orlando's tourism=20 business, has died in his San Diego home. Millay, 76, died Monday after battling lung cancer since last summer. On Tuesday, he was saluted both internationally as a giant in the=20 theme-park business and in Orlando as one of the driving=20 personalities who helped turn Central Florida into the world's=20 playground. Millay is in the halls of fame at the International Association of=20 Amusement Parks and Attractions and at the World Water Park=20 Association. The latter declared him "the father of water parks." Friends and close associates recalled him as restless, hard-driving,=20 demanding, tough and sometimes hot-tempered -- but extremely fair and=20 fun. He is survived by his wife, Anne, 4 children and 7 grandchildren, all=20 of California. "He was a visionary. He was a genuine theme-park pioneer. He had=20 great creativity and tremendous drive and stamina," said Bob Gault,=20 who rose through the ranks at SW and is now president of Universal=20 Orlando, which bought WnW in 1998. Today, the 2 parks he built here anchor the north and south ends of=20 the International Drive tourism corridor. "He was a real pioneer of=20 Orlando and Central Florida tourism," said Bill Peeper, president of=20 the Orlando/Orange County Convention & Visitors Bureau. Always an entrepreneur, Millay visited Marineland in Palos Verdes,=20 Ca., in the late 1950s to research a themed bar that he wanted to=20 open. He and three partners decided instead to start a theme park,=20 mixing the animal attractions of ML with the style and business model=20 of Disneyland. SW opened in San Diego in 1964. A few years later Millay led efforts to bring a SW to Central=20 Florida, and it opened as the region's second park in 1973. In the=20 meantime, SW also built a park in Ohio. It was no accident that SW and Millay came to Central Florida,=20 recalled friends. Millay admired Walt Disney and the company he built. Friends say he=20 emulated Disney's approaches. Kelly Smith, his longtime lawyer in Orlando, and a business partner,=20 said Disney executives encouraged him to come to Orlando. "He admired=20 Walt and what he had done," said John Seeker, who was an executive at=20 both SW Orlando and WnW. "The standards, the employees, the guest=20 services that Walt really set for the industry ... that was something=20 that George would demand. He cared about his employees a great deal." A corporate dispute led Millay to leave SW in 1974. He and new=20 partners tried to regain control in 1989. Instead, Anheuser-Busch Co.=20 bought SW. "Those of us at Busch Entertainment who knew George,=20 either personally or by reputation, are indebted to him for the=20 remarkable vision and spirit of innovation he exhibited throughout=20 his long career," Keith M. Kasen, chairman of the board and president=20 of Busch Entertainment Corp., said Tuesday in a statement. Millay wasn't done with Orlando or the industry when he left SW. He=20 put together another partnership and set out to redefine the water=20 amusement park on a grander scale, a dream that many saw as a big=20 gamble. "Hell, I had reservations about it," Millay said in a 2005=20 interview with the Orlando Sentinel. "I wasn't concerned about kids accepting WnW. I was concerned about=20 middle-aged mothers accepting it." The park opened in March 1977. By the mid-1980s, attendance topped 1=20 million. Several more WnW opened, from Brazil to Las Vegas. In recent years Millay was an unmistakable figure in a black eye=20 patch, the result of 1979 cancer surgery that claimed an eye, ear and=20 part of his jaw. By the late 1990s, he decided it was time to sell. In 1997 & '98, he=20 and his partners sold the WnW parks to various groups, for $77=20 million, he said. He still wasn't done, lawyer and friend Smith said. Millay was=20 forever restless, forever looking for the next challenge. "I go into=20 the office every day," Millay said in a 2004 interview with the=20 Sentinel. "I don't have any hobbies. I don't play golf." ------ =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 08:41:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54656 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 16:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:41:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:40:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:40:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Oakwood Feels The Need For Speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=05UFAotDMvJdPZxXXnbQzoown3xoMnaP_-wrAwMlNiMb3HA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08 February 2006 Pembrokeshire TV http://www.pembrokeshiretv.com/content/templates/v6-article.asp? articleid=3D1413 Pembroke, Dyfed, UK-- Adrenaline junkies have already begun booking=20 their summer holidays in Pembrokeshire after Oakwood christened its=20 new ride Speed. The thrill-a-second roller-coaster, which is the first UK ride to=20 incorporate a "beyond vertical" drop was officially named by theme=20 park boss Paddy McNamara yesterday. The ride, which is expected to be completed by April, takes 4 eight- seat cars through 90 seconds of non-stop 95kph twists, turns and 360- degree rolls. "We have called our new roller coaster Speed because we=20 feel it best captures the essence of the ride," said Mcnamara. The open design of the cars means you are quite exposed to the=20 elements so when you speed through all the fantastic twists, turns=20 and loops you really will feel the wind rushing through your hair." Speed will become the park's fastest ever rollercoaster, outstripping=20 current white-knuckler Megafobia by some distance. -------- =A9 Pembrokeshiretv.com 2006 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 08:54:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95079 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2006 16:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:54:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 16:51:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:51:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: A CEO plucked from ESPN will remarket the parks to families X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lCr2APU1xnXUZQsYMfAAfO4WA5ZKQe-2XApI4sH0gWpoJ98 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02/09/2006 The Denver Post The Washington Post By Andy Vuong =20=20 Six Flags, the billion-dollar company that owns Elitch Gardens,=20 hasn't posted an annual profit since 1998. To boost business, the amusement-park company turned to sports and=20 Hollywood executives for help, including Washington Redskins owner=20 Daniel Snyder and movie producer Harvey Weinstein. Their game plan? Focus on attracting families instead of teenagers by bringing more=20 kid-friendly characters into the park, such as those from Weinstein's=20 film "Hoodwinked." Increase revenue through corporate sponsorships, including selling=20 naming rights to its rides, =E0 la sports stadiums and bowl games. Offer more food choices and increase vendors. "It's not an amusement park; it's an experience," new CEO Mark=20 Shapiro told about 100 employees during a meet-and-greet Wednesday at=20 6FEG. Shapiro, a former programming star at ESPN, is on a whirlwind=20 30-day tour, visiting each of the company's 30 parks. 6F has company in its struggles. Attendance at theme parks across the=20 country has been flat for a decade, growing just 0.4% in 2004,=20 according to Pricewaterhouse Coopers LLP. "We stopped seeing double-=20 digit increases in revenue 15 years ago when the industry matured,"=20 said Dennis L. Speigel, president of International Theme Park=20 Services. 6F's image makeover began in December when Snyder, the company's=20 largest shareholder, took control. He moved the company's headquarters to New York from Oklahoma City.=20 He quickly lured Weinstein onto the board of directors and appointed=20 Shapiro CEO. Shapiro, 35, is a wunderkind who quickly rose through the ranks at=20 ESPN. He spearheaded ESPN's heralded "SportsCentury" series, which=20 counted down the 50 greatest athletes of the 20th century and won a=20 Peabody award. In 2002, at age 31, Shapiro was put in charge of all programming for=20 ESPN. He created numerous original programs for the network,=20 including the popular "Playmakers" series and the "Pardon The=20 Interruption" daily talk show. Shapiro said his new job is similar to his old one at ESPN, where he=20 was responsible for attracting more women and casual sports fans as=20 viewers. But now he is in charge of pushing the 6F brand toward=20 families. "It's easier to fix a tarnished brand than it is to start=20 one from scratch," Shapiro told employees. He says he believes 6F had wrongly focused on attracting the penny- pinching teenage thrill seeker instead of the family of 4 that would=20 likely spend more money. "Our parks averaged one character per park=20 per day," Shapiro said. "That's just cutting expenses in the wrong=20 places." The company is making several changes aimed at appealing to families: Having at least 15 characters, such as Bugs Bunny, roam the parks=20 every day. Instituting a nonsmoking policy. Placing full-time attendants in all rest rooms. Employing 5 full-time costumed ambassadors at each park to answer=20 questions. In Denver, 6FEG will have 2 parades daily when its season starts=20 April 22. The park may also have live bands and festivals for special=20 occasions. The changes will add more seasonal employees to last season's peak of=20 1,650. Shapiro recently named Fred Christenson the park's new GM. Snyder's takeover and Shapiro's appointment have attracted at least=20 one high-profile investor: Mark Cuban, the eccentric owner of the=20 Dallas Mavericks. Cuban said recently on television that he purchased=20 6F stock after the management changes. "The parks are an amazing=20 entertainment platform, and Mark has the right creative approach and=20 Daniel the marketing ability to make this a huge success," Cuban=20 explained by e-mail. But Snyder and Shapiro have yet to convince Wall Street. 5 of six Wall Street analysts rate 6F stock either neutral or=20 underperform. 6F stock closed Wednesday at $11.17 a share, down 46=20 cents. ------------ Copyright 2006 The Denver Post or other copyright holders From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Feb 09 16:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32534 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 00:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 00:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 00:15:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 00:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 00:15:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:15:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.201.53.121 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Question: Universal express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=b7v8AlSDMbzjCjEkA5bNNL5DLPMxVY0hyXTxzbIYG5ElhYBhqwHS318 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: > > > > > Have just read on a message board that universal in > > > orlando are > > > discontinuing their express facilities.. is this true? > >=20 > > Yes, I believe express passes are discontinued for non-hotel guests.=20 > > I know for sure that all free passes are discontinued. You may still > > be able to buy them at the parks. >=20 > At least for the time being the free ones are discontinued. There's > some dispute as to whether or not that's just for the offseason or > not. We may have to wait and see until after Spring Break to know for > sure. I mailed their online helpdesk, as I was having dificulties ordering the express plus passes, and they said they were planning to reopen for peak times. >=20 > Last time I was there, just over a month ago, you could buy an Express > Pass for the day. However, I didn't check to see how much the passes > were since we were passholders, so I'm not much help there. They > still had the machines and everything set up for the free ones, but > they were covered up and closed down. >=20 apparently for the weekend I was planning to go, with the express plus it's 20 dollars (was thinking of going on 11th and 12th of march, I'm gonna have to do 2 park days that weekend, and it seemed that this would mean more ride times, and then I could go to busch gdns during the week) > And yes, you get one if you stay in their hotel rooms, but be prepared > for the high cost of the room if you do that. They're rooms are often > 2-4 times the going rates of most of the hotels, depending on how > fancy you go. >=20 yeah - I've seen the prices are pretty huuuuuuuuuuge! From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Feb 09 17:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65334 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 01:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 01:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 01:55:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:57:14 -0800 Message-Id: <200602091757.AA3224961304@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: 6FNE entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=sW9o9CB2Sc5usQhHn_wCOUVS_X7ljIVNRGD0NdGykLVUfpFbRwwX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Today I saw one of my former students who now runs entertainment for Six Flags New England. They were on campus looking for talent. He told me that the chain has put a new emphasis on shows at the park. They authorized him to hire 200 performers for the season, up from the 60 they hired last year. He also said the chain is keeping the Looney Toons characters and they plan on using them extensively in advertising campaigns. Initially, Time-Warner was going to drop its license with Six Flags, but Snyder re-negotiated and met all their demands. (He didn't specify what their demands were.) Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 09 23:47:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83121 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 07:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 07:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 07:47:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 07:47:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 07:47:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:47:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30602081221n12cca86eiada98d01cf609e4@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.166 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zw_JPDx5BZDyRFyKNkJEKuKyFbF7u8A7OtaGdivkGrazLOZl3g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: > > On 2/8/06, George Burnash wrote: > > In any case, on many of those points as > > you've said, it's far to early to really tell anything. We're going > > to have to wait for a year or two of actual operations. So until > > then, agree to disagree and wait and see? :) >=20 > That is exactly it. The optimist in me sees all these announcements > and press releases and says, "great, they're cleaning things up, it's > a new regime taking a fresh approach with new eyes and things are > going to be better and turn around." >=20 > And the skeptic in me says, "We've seen announcements like this > before. It's the off season and there is no way of knowing that this > isn't all just PR lip service until we can see it implemented and see > the new changes actually be effective and last into the busy season > and into subsequent years of operation." When I'm at sea, I can read the posts but not reply. I've been following this thread, and I've been dying to point out one thing: If having upper management at a park is such an important thing, why was Frontier City generally one of the most maligned parks in the chain? (After 6FKK, of course.)Upper management was right there all along!=20 I know, "But Premier $ucked!1!" or "It was a small market so they didn't care."=20 The point is, NJ was doing fine, TX was doing fine (minus parking issues at AW), and many others were doing fine too. Upper management didn't need to live there. Yes, 6FMM was spiraling down the tubes (opinion) as were some others (international ops?) Truth be told, I'm sure there was cash flowing pretty good.=20 Occasional, regular park visits by upper management are indeed crucial, but they don't need to live there, it doesn't always help.=20 Chris B I finished my Sagamiko TR. I'll be writing up Hamanako Pal Pal tomorrow and posting both Sunday, I promise! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 00:01:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29024 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 08:01:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 08:01:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 08:01:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 08:01:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:01:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.166 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: A CEO plucked from ESPN will remarket the parks to families X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XqaAMK-xekLypTKnp5GCpmjttzlLy5CvItFam1lbkadb9p_Hhg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > In 2002, at age 31, Shapiro was put in charge of all programming for=20 > ESPN. He created numerous original programs for the network,=20 > including the popular "Playmakers" series and the "Pardon The=20 > Interruption" daily talk show. He created PTI? Oh, I guess he's OK. That's a great show.=20 BUT WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH AMUSEMENT PARKS?!?!=20 Tell me he worked summers at SCBB or something that begins to qualify him to understand this industry!=20 Sheesh.=20 Still Chris B in milk... From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Feb 10 05:26:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23242 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 13:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2006 13:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 13:26:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B159A8B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:26:42 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:26:42 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags moving HQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rLaz9iaL9BUvDvQUlUaWMfOG_HwqIAVIbz6HK4GCsq7OZfmx X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > If having upper management at a park is such an important thing, why > was Frontier City generally one of the most maligned parks in the > chain? (After 6FKK, of course.)Upper management was right there all > along! I sort of feel the same way .. I can't see why people are so passionate about where the corporate offices are located. It's like a team of 10,000 loggers appear to destroy an entire forest, and everyone is upset because of their shoes! Regardless of where head office is located, Shapiro's ideas (good and bad) will make it down to the park level. His job isn't to implement the ideas, but rather to hire park management teams who are competent enough to do it. Looking forward to your Trip Reports... Cameron. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 22:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65484 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 06:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 06:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 06:09:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 06:09:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 06:08:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:08:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.136.204 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Sagamiko Picnic Land X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ut-P-cRZzVHo_gt6PzBsxAA26Xz_3QbTk8Y6VFMoGE04vnu-YA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Where: Sagamiko Picnic Land When: Saturday 4FEB06 Who: Just me The weather was in the low 40's, clear with a light breeze. I took the Yokohama Line out to Himeji then transferred to the Chuo line. (If coming from Tokyo, the Chuo line leaves from Shinjuku station.) Taking the Chuo line out to Sagamiko station requires a transfer at Takao station. If someone wanted to include this park as a side trip with Fuji-Q, the Chuo line continues out to Otsuki station where you can transfer to the Fujikyu line. At Sagamiko, I caught a #21 bus and rode it about ten minutes to Sagamiko Picnic Land. Entrance to the park was 1400 yen and rides were by tickets only. There is a small coaster with a pelican flying the plane-train. Other rides include a swinging ship, a ladybug themed octopus, 50 meter ferris wheel, pedal monorail, an alpine slide, 4 go kart tracks, a ski lift style ride, a walk through maze, kiddy train, mini himilaya style ride, a small carousel and a very generic wave swinger. There were also two RC car tracks, a minigolf course and many coin op kiddy rides. I entered the park and passed a dog park with training facilities like fences, hoops and weave poles and began climbing stairs to the attractions. This park is huge. There is as much as 1100 meters of walking between "adjacent" attractions. There are numerous camp sites around and through the park. I suspect that during the summer, whole schools may rent out the park, based on all of the facilities around the area. I passed many "camp adventure" like activities such as cargo net climbs, and other ways of traversing hillsides and gullies. The coaster (400 yen) is a pretty small family model with a top speed of about 10 mph, some funky slow-motion trick-track and not much else. The oddest part of the ride was, like many smaller coasters, two laps was the norm, but the lift chain was off until the train engaged the chain and stopped, even on the second lap. I passed the maze on my way to the alpine slide, which was closed, which means I STILL haven't been on one of these. The interesting part of this was that the entrance was at the top of the slide, and after completing a run, a single seat ski lift brought riders back to the top. There was no seat belt or lap bar on the lift! After that, I went over to the larger lift (200 yen one way, 300 yen R/T) to get to the ferris wheel situated at the highest point of the park. Again, there was no lap bar or seat belt but this one was so low to the ground, I could actually reach the ground with my toes in several places, and I had to lift my feet when approaching the stations! The view from the wheel was fantastic, I could see Sagamiko Lake, the town across the lake and other towns on all sides. Also visible were Takao Mountain and other mountains of Japan's interior. (No Fuji-san, though.) After the wheel I decided to walk down to one of the Go Kart tracks. (this was the 1100 meter walk.) The first track I tried was actually very neat with banked turns, steep drops and a helix over 720 degrees (a tunnel gets you out of the middle.) The second track was cool too with a long high bridge and one very steep turning drop. The third track turned out to be self driving golf carts, which was interesting, as they seemed to be wire guided and had no brake or gas pedal. There was a 4th track, but it was closed. I skipped all the other rides to get in a round of miniature golf. This was easily the hardest course I have ever played. Par 72, 18 holes, no sides, slick greens, and no chance for a hole-in-one on nearly all the holes. I will admit to a mulligan or three, and I still carded an 86! Example hole: Par 5, 18 yards, dogleg left, no sides, rock pit on the left, concrete obstacles across the fairway, and an anthill hole for cryin' out loud! I got a 7 and felt lucky to get that! After that, I beat feet, but it was actually a very nice park. It reminded me of Knoebel's in the family atmosphere, wooded midways, home brewed rides, and on site camping. Chris B Next TR: Hamanako Pal Pal From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 22:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56408 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 06:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 06:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 06:14:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 06:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 06:13:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:13:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.136.204 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Hamanako Pal Pal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=95kxtFRBC_nOT97yz7J5pQRnDEZ8NDKK_ymkwgn9oy0VW89PzA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Where: Hamanako Pal Pal When: 6 February 2006, Superbowl Monday! Who: Just me. =20 The weather was a brisk 40 degrees and there was a breeze. Not too much cloud cover though, so it was pretty nice. I took the Shinkansen from Shin Yokohama to Hamamatsu station on the "slow" train. The older trains only go about 185-190 km/h, and stop more frequently than the new trains. About 90 minutes later I arrived at Hamamatsu station and transferred to a city bus. (Stop 1 outside the station.) A little more than 30 minutes later and I arrived at the park. =20 Entry and Free Pass was 3700 yen with a coupon printed online. (Thank you Babelfish!) Mega Coaster looms large over the entrance plaza outside the ticket booths. Before you can ride though, there is a round building with arcades, restaurant and shops. The park has two main areas and to get between them you have to pass through this building and across a bridge over the street. (No, it's not like 6FKK!) =20 Immediately outside the door to the smaller side of the park is the entrance to Mega Coaster, a TOGO looping coaster that, to quote Robb Alvey: "is the result if Manhattan Express at and Viper (6FGrAdv) had unprotected sex." (This description is so sppropriate, I have to give him the credit.) The station is up a rainbow stairwell just above the second story and there are two trains. In pictures I had only seen the blue/purple train, but that day the red/yellow train was running. =20 Out of the station the track turns left and climbs the lift hill. At the top, the train turns left 180 degrees and hits the first drop. It's pretty decent, hitting 51 mp/h and 60 degrees, providing the rear of the train some decent air. The train rises and makes a large fan turn to the right dropping down a straight ramp before rising again up a long ramp and executing a twist and diving at the ground. (It's an Immelman reversed.) Pulling out of the dive, the track flattens out above the go kart track and makes a 270 degree left turn, rising enough to pass through the center of the first inversion. The track levels out again and enters a series of rings that provide the support for the heartline roll. Next, the train passes through nearly 720 degrees of downward helix before popping up into the brake run. =20 While nowhere near as rough as Manhattan Express, (or Viper based on other's experience) this coaster isn't super smooth. It is definitely re-rideable and a pretty decent experience. It's completely unique experience is definitely a draw for die-hard coasterphiles. =20 Next, I rode the go karts to get some more shots of Mega Coaster and looked at the flats on this side of the park. There was a kiddie flume, a Zamperla Baloon Race, a motion simulator, a car-go-round and what appeared to be a Huss Flipper themed to Football (US type) named Super Bowl! So despite not being in front of a TV, I still got to watch the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Monday. (Time zones mean the Superbowl is shown live Monday morning in Japan.) =20 Next, I rode the parks Mini Coaster. This is one of those weird coasters that doesn't know what it wants to be. It has Model T shaped cars with wild mouse seating. The track looks like Arrow, and the layout has no switchbacks or air hills. In general, these turn out to be boring for a jaded guy like me, and this one proved to be no exception. =20 I rode Mega Coaster again before crossing to the other side of the park. Once on the other side of the bridge, there is a nice looking row-building that house some typical midway games, but being indoors in a park that's open year-round is a nice touch. After looking in at the games, I tried my hand at a simple shooting dark ride. I thought I was doing pretty well, but when I got off, I discovered that I didn't have enough points to get a prize. =20 Moving on, I climbed the hill to the park's Caripro Batflyer named Batflyer. Such originality! A standard single model, at least the brakes weren't 'rack-your-nuts' tight. Either that or I've learned how to ride these defensively. (I actually think it's the first one.) =20 Next, I passed a carousel and what looked like a 4-sided frog hopper with a crab / tide pool theme, (Huh, a jumping crab?) and tried the park's fun house. I entered, not knowing what kind of attraction was inside, as the attendant knew no Eigo (English) and I don't know enough Nihonji (Japanese). Not amazing, but not terrible, with shrinking rooms, trick doors, a mirror maze and a cage maze with rubber bars. There was a walk through spinning room that didn't start spinning until I tripped a beam and the sudden change in perception actually knocked me off balance! After exiting I told the lady that the phrase for what the attraction was fun house and she had me write it down so she could memorize it! =20 I continued up to the top of the hill to take Ferris Wheel Photos, passing up on a well-themed mini-parachutes ride, flying elephants and pedal monorail. After the wheel, I proceeded down the hill and past the show amphitheater and the oddly named park train: Food Train. =20 At the bottom of the hill I passed the summer only lazy river, speed slides and a single water slide. Next to that were some upcharge boat rides including jet boats, fan boats, pedal boats and a party barge. Proceeding along, I rode the fouth and final coaster in the park, Jungle Mouse. It looks like an old Herschell but is from one of the older Japanese ride manufacturers. This coaster sits in what looks like used to be a pool, making for a weird appearance. =20 Next up was the park's Log Flume. With Splash Mountain (MK) style boats (2 across seating, 4 rows) and a large windshield, I felt confident I wouldn't get too wet. A decent length and a figure-8 layout weren't the odd part of this ride, but the chain lifts on a log flume was definitely pretty unusual! I didn't get wet, and I wasn't terribly impressed either. =20 I rode the spinning boats ride, because I'd never seen one before, then made my way past the Red Baron, Mini wave swinger, ball house and a Zamperla version of the Huss Nightwing at 6FNE. =20 I looked at the brochure for the Organel Museum that the large ropeway takes you to from inside the park across the lake (included in the admission), but I opted to grab a bite to eat and take a couple more spins on Mega Coaster and catch an earlier train home instead. In all, the park was very clean, nicely themed, (although Jungle Mouse desperately needs a paint job) the staff was friendly and efficient. In other words, it was like most Japanese amusement parks that aren't Nara Dreamland! Chris B Next: My belated TR for Kobe Portopialand and Himeji Central Park followed by Kyushu 2006: 6 parks, 3 days, 25 coasters. From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Feb 12 09:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15378 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 17:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 17:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 17:11:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5174 invoked by uid 99); 12 Feb 2006 17:11:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060212171116.5173.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 12 Feb 2006 11:11:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.124 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Intamin coasters at Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=yJKdJRh7rLt7McgmEyk58NF6e80BD-7E3rgCs--sPP_kFjFc X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 And this was not the first time they have had problems with new Intamin coasters. Just remember the Dejavu problems from a few years back...the first one of the three did not open until almost the end of the season and the next season they were down more than they were up. And in my opinion, the one as SFGAm is still down too much of the time. Dave > > What I don't get is after all the problems with Intamin and their Rocket > > Coasters and then > > the bad summer of problems with Kingda Ka... why would they work with > > Intamin again > > on El Toro?! > > El Toro was announced in September, which is just four months after > Kingda Ka opened. El Toro was planned, designed, and signed for well > before any problems with Kingda Ka surfaced. > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Feb 12 11:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75954 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 19:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 19:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 19:36:25 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e2so457136ugf for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.33.17 with SMTP id l17mr536383nfj; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.30.3 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:36:19 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060212171116.5173.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060212171116.5173.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Intamin coasters at Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=P1kwSnmBhSRB5CmR43iDVHHYJxAtHOKWLa9gzh0a74LfYSSUNryY0l4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > And this was not the first time they have had problems with new Intamin > coasters. Just remember the Dejavu problems from a few years > back Deja Vu is a Vekoma ride. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 12 17:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74572 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 01:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 01:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 01:21:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 01:20:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:20:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.64.253.248 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Planning Cedar Point Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=lKJwkl-ubqXkyPNPGnbdH2zzpXHBnU5fnk3rPYM6hGDtKJEXj2ayWaILF5jSGXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Hello all, My name is Cornell, I am planning a trip to Cedar point=20 amusement park this summer and I am interested in finding people who=20 may like to meet with me at the park. It seems that I dont have many=20 friends who share my almost fanatical intrest in roller coasters. I=20 live in Dallas Texas, and would be open to possibly travelling up=20 there with someone from my area, otherwise I would be happy to meet=20 with people at the park. I have not set any definite dates as of yet,=20 and my schedule is very flexible. Anyone that may be intrested please=20 feel free to IM or e-mail me mskr63@sbcglobal.net=20=20=20 From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Mon Feb 13 11:50:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14627 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 19:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 19:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 19:50:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 19:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 19:50:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 19:50:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:50:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.114 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: La Ronde's new prices for 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=o28I46z9MySiM95ec1J2su_LRn3x4pmt1KOy6ryubmNn35ax7sw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Following look as the Shapiro's impact on La Ronde. As in many other=20 Six Flags' amusement parks, the prices will increase again for 2006. A=20 first increase had already been announced last fall, but tickets and=20 season passes will be higher than expected. For instance, an adult one- day ticket moves from 36$ in 2005 to 41,45$CAN in 2006. A season pass=20 will be sold 100$ rather than 85$CAN. The parking increases from 12$=20 to 15$CAN. Better news is the introduction of a parking pass (50$CAN). Moreover, the park announces a new training program for the employees,=20 to enhance the customer service. It should not be difficult to improve=20 the service since it is actually so poor... Other improvements are=20 schedules, but we don't know what these improvements will be. For the press release: http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/February2006/13/c1929.html For La Ronde website: http://www.laronde.com Fred From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Feb 15 05:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37417 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 13:29:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 13:28:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 13:28:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:28:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=eCJbDTOXps_7lQdq98KBAc1oqlAOoZP_4A4fi8UzpXOW_lfJ86CMKn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, I am planning 2 days in busch gardens, during the second week in marhc=20 (between the 13th and 16th) - qould it be worth doing a guided tour=20 then - or will the queues be relatively short? ta From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 15 06:37:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54995 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 14:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 14:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 14:37:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 14:37:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 14:37:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 14:37:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:37:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5Niuut2ZvbsjZ2b55gheLRjhQjM-8iE0uCgI3pNbxidCHIU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: >=20 > I am planning 2 days in busch gardens, during the second week in marhc=20 > (between the 13th and 16th) - qould it be worth doing a guided tour=20 > then - or will the queues be relatively short? On weekdays? You shouldn't have any lines at all. Spring Break will not have started here yet, so you're not going to have many people there. You'll probably find that most of the rides are a walk-on.=20 Maybe a 5-10 minute wait at worst, but I doubt you'll even see that. The only reason you might want one of the tours is to get backstage and to interact with the animals. But if that's not your interest, don't bother. In 2 days you'll have more than enough time to catch all the rides multiple times, the shows, and the animal exhibits that you want. To give you an idea, last Saturday (during the local fair, and with weather coming in that afternoon) there was very light crowds when I was there with my son. Between 9:30 and 2 we did 2 rides on Gwazi, a ride on SheiKra (would have done more but Joseph didn't want to.=20 There was no line) 2 rounds on the log flume, 2 rounds on Kumba, Cheetah Chase, Scorpion, the new Pirates 4D movie, Sandblaster, Rhino Rally, had a great relaxed lunch, 2 rides on Montu, shopped a bit, and generally messed around a bit. So if we can do all of that in 4.5 hours, you'll have no problems in 2 days. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 15 07:32:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84825 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 15:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 15:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 15:32:19 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g2so338144nfe for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.38.13 with SMTP id q13mr55344nfj; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.16 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:32:18 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=wJNDevYyZYW-kLMHsC-Ceg3MciBwt1AFERjcjgrX1AR2bFDiKDKQSGI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I am planning 2 days in busch gardens, during the second week in marhc > > (between the 13th and 16th) > On weekdays? You shouldn't have any lines at all. Spring Break will > not have started here yet, so you're not going to have many people > there. That would be my thought too, but I was at BGT last March around the same time and it was packed. I've actually never seen BGT that busy, and this was a Thursday. Wait times for all the coasters were well over an hour, some of them approaching two. I never imagined seeing an Arrow Corkscrew with an hour wait. If you get to the park early and stay late, you shouldn't have any problem seeing and doing everything. Plan on doing the coasters early in the day, during the lunch hour, and in the last few hours before closing. Spend the rest of the time seeing shows, animals, etc. You could get lucky and it could be dead (and I certainly hope it is, since I'll be there around the same time). But be prepared if it's not. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Feb 15 08:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79648 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 16:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 16:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.197) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 16:30:14 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so363516nzd for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.98.20 with SMTP id a20mr400655qbm; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.119.8 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:30:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30602150830v4d7984bdibfe4380723d4890e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=xFPsYlz0lUNX9Xnjf-jrqQeUWsz2Otm2v-xT9Qok_zChOrzo X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons BGT is also one of those parks that exemplifies the "start your day in the back of the park" rule. It's a big park and a sizable walk, and it takes everyone else a while to make their way back there at park opening. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 15 10:01:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13962 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 18:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 18:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 18:01:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 18:01:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 18:01:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 18:01:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:01:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=By6LeoBIgTOozGz_UxOkL-IkrL6zEB1M3F6BasbRH17y1Fk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > I am planning 2 days in busch gardens, during the second week in marhc > > > (between the 13th and 16th) >=20 > > On weekdays? You shouldn't have any lines at all. Spring Break will > > not have started here yet, so you're not going to have many people > > there. >=20 > That would be my thought too, but I was at BGT last March around the > same time and it was packed. I've actually never seen BGT that busy, > and this was a Thursday. Wait times for all the coasters were well > over an hour, some of them approaching two. I never imagined seeing > an Arrow Corkscrew with an hour wait. A huge amount of that depends on what part of March. Spring Breaks start around mid-March, and that's what causes the crowds. Spring Break here starts on the 18th (that Saturday after he's here), and as far as I know there aren't really any areas that are starting earlier. Outside of an odd college or two, it shouldn't cause a problem. I was checking some of the local tourist schedules, and they're all gearing up to start the week after his visit, so it looks like he's going to just skate in and get the slow part and miss the really busy part of March. That is if the schedules I've seen so far are to be believed. :) keep on ridin' George From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Feb 15 15:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73446 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 23:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 23:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 23:07:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 23:07:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 23:07:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 23:07:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:07:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.143.187.174 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Busch gardens, should I do a guided tour? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=mgb2SFJhOvsnx0HMxbmPhzFYpssW7Rz_fOFv40ma89PUxhQ2WAlifx4 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: > > > > > > I am planning 2 days in busch gardens, during the second week in > marhc > > > > (between the 13th and 16th) > >=20 > > > On weekdays? You shouldn't have any lines at all. Spring Break will > > > not have started here yet, so you're not going to have many people > > > there. > >=20 > > That would be my thought too, but I was at BGT last March around the > > same time and it was packed. I've actually never seen BGT that busy, > > and this was a Thursday. Wait times for all the coasters were well > > over an hour, some of them approaching two. I never imagined seeing > > an Arrow Corkscrew with an hour wait. >=20 > A huge amount of that depends on what part of March. Spring Breaks > start around mid-March, and that's what causes the crowds. Spring > Break here starts on the 18th (that Saturday after he's here), and as Thanks - I'll just turn up and hope then (will be using the free coach from orlando) - I can always book one for the second day if it was crowded then... From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 18:24:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39416 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: When is Tatsu gonna open? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Yuue50d5ilGIpCT9O0d09mvaNqZ69qv5H6EFLyGsBfAgdwwsUHIp X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck We'll be out in CA for Solice weekend, (but not attending Solace) and=20 are wondering if Tatsu is scheduled to be open by then. Our Tentative=20 plan is DL and DCA on Fri and Sat, swinging by KBF to renew our season=20 passes, and hit up a few rides. Maybe if there's time we'll swing by=20 SFMM. Are they running more than one train on the rides yet? Is it=20 worth our time? If not, we may do the credit whore thing and drive=20 around to the smaller parks to get William some credits. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Feb 15 18:39:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60555 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 02:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 02:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 02:38:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1G2cvmY006050 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:38:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <026b01c632a2$2be5d090$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] When is Tatsu gonna open? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=AJvnkeoNf5Oa64rvHhySDp7Mz4g-DQz0m4SAiu9TE8mQ-BuyMJmgxGBRPA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > We'll be out in CA for Solice weekend, (but not attending Solace) and > are wondering if Tatsu is scheduled to be open by then. Our Tentative > plan is DL and DCA on Fri and Sat, swinging by KBF to renew our season > passes, and hit up a few rides. Maybe if there's time we'll swing by > SFMM. Are they running more than one train on the rides yet? Is it > worth our time? If not, we may do the credit whore thing and drive > around to the smaller parks to get William some credits. I'd say there is little chance of it being open by then, but you never know... However, Thrillride/Rideworld is holding a West Coast Bash event the day after Solace at SFMM which promises a "tour" of Tatsu... which perhaps it all they are willing to commit to at this time. If it can cycle riders by then, you never know, but given the short ammount of time left before the event (less than a month) and the fact that the track isn't even close to being complete... I wouldn't count on it. From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Feb 15 20:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74376 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 04:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 04:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.200) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 04:27:00 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so87215nzn for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.93.4 with SMTP id v4mr493285qbl; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.119.8 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:26:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30602152026i7f1701a5lecbd94f7404122a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:26:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] When is Tatsu gonna open? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=fihdPZ6LRQmMwoXhn9b8KARSJU-xv6a-JaVgvmvAwdD44egf X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Everything I've seen is leaning towards it not being open by then. Recent trip reports have said that the spruce up stuff is going into effect already at SFMM and they have been running multiple trains on stuff lately. If it were me, I'd do the small park hopping and save a revisit to SFMM for another trip. On 2/15/06, Brian Farral wrote: > We'll be out in CA for Solice weekend, (but not attending Solace) and > are wondering if Tatsu is scheduled to be open by then. Our Tentative > plan is DL and DCA on Fri and Sat, swinging by KBF to renew our season > passes, and hit up a few rides. Maybe if there's time we'll swing by > SFMM. Are they running more than one train on the rides yet? Is it > worth our time? If not, we may do the credit whore thing and drive > around to the smaller parks to get William some credits. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 21:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90547 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 05:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2006 05:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 05:48:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 55823 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2006 05:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060216054743.55821.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:47:43 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:47:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] When is Tatsu gonna open? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=MtkqTqIquE167bAndr5OI7Q94pBmRCyvAov2sNM8yUyJcpJC9HHgzSN2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SFMM was running pretty well (in terms of rides open) when I went in January. They had pretty much every ride open except the ones affected by Tatsu's construction...and it was a light day. If you're going to Knott's and haven't been to Adventure City down the road, definitely go there. It's supposed to close at the end of the year. It's a fantastic park for the little ones and their Miler Wild Mouse was very fun. Heck, I even rode their Moser Spring Ride and loved it. They also still offer 50% to ACE members, I think I got in for $6.50. -Bryan Brian Farral wrote: We'll be out in CA for Solice weekend, (but not attending Solace) and are wondering if Tatsu is scheduled to be open by then. Our Tentative plan is DL and DCA on Fri and Sat, swinging by KBF to renew our season passes, and hit up a few rides. Maybe if there's time we'll swing by SFMM. Are they running more than one train on the rides yet? Is it worth our time? If not, we may do the credit whore thing and drive around to the smaller parks to get William some credits. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:17:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48987 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:17:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:17:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:17:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:17:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Developers Plan to Reopen Wichita Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xWlkNDl0NEAvZK8CbqTlcs_1psWhitaOFDplwC-6md6Z5_E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 17, 2006 Associated Press CBS 13 WIBW http://www.wibw.com/news/headlines/2318706.html Wichita, KS -- Two developers want to reopen Wichita's Joyland=20 amusement park this spring. It's been closed down for 2 years. Michael Moodenbaugh of Tacoma, WA, and his partner, Robert Barnard of=20 Tampa, FL, say that if the park doesn't prove profitable, they'll=20 consider closing it again and building apartments on the site. The partners are negotiating to buy the park from longtime owners=20 Stanley and Margaret Nelson. They're not saying how much they're=20 willing to pay for it, but Moodenbaugh says he expects to spend about=20 $1 million on repairs and upgrades. In the meantime, the developers expects to sign a 3-month lease with=20 the Nelsons next week, and hope to have the park open in April. -------- =A9 2002-2006 Gray Television Group, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:22:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49812 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:22:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:21:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:21:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement Park Science X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dgv3orGrlvmOjgyAZ44TUR86HE4y1IZyrEPLuhnre3uhBCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 15, 2006 WKBW-TV http://www.wkbw.com/Story.aspx?type=3Dln&NStoryID=3D9655 Fredonia, NY -- Roller coasters, water slides, a haunted house? What=20 in the name of Newton is going on at Fredonia Middle School? Jennifer Neri/Science Teacher: "It's the amusement park ride project,=20 which we end up calling the Fredonia Physics Fun Factory." Amy Lauer/Science Teacher: "I kind of get bored with teaching the=20 same thing year after year so in order to change it up, I thought,=20 wouldn't it be fun to have the kids make these rides that they love=20 riding." The kids were pretty imaginative with their projects using soccer=20 players for sliding friction, football players for Newton's 2nd and=20 3rd laws and even the lazy river for fluid friction. Alex Kurgan/8th Grader: "It's a lot more fun than reading out of=20 textbooks." Anthony Palvino/8th Grader: "When we learn out of a textbook, it's=20 not as fun since we can't play with it and we have to read. In this,=20 we build it and we learn more and remember it more." Meghann Ludemann/8th Grader: "It teaches you about the forces of=20 gravity, like we have here Newton's 1st, 2nd and 3rd laws." Brandon Napieralski/8th Grader: "If I learned out of a textbook, I=20 would be sitting there reading and the next day, i would have forgot=20 it." Remember this parents, the next time you hear your kids talking about=20 The Korn Ride, The Wicked Wheel or The Screamin' Demon, be careful,=20 there could actually be learning going on. ------- =A9 2005 WKBW-TV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:27:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14476 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:27:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:26:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:26:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: IAAPI to present national awards on Feb 22nd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yt8t6f3BANZ9XudBieSoGnLTTKYTszrdF1zkc66BN3tPSu0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/17/2006 India Infoline http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/news.asp?dat=3D76204 This is to bring to your kind attention the 6th Annual Trade Show of=20 the Amusement Park Industry in India that's being organised by the=20 Indian Association of Amusement Parks and Industries (IAAPI) at the=20 World Trade Centre, Cuffe Parade, Mumbai from February 22 to 24. Apart from unveiling of newer and latest attractions of the industry=20 in India, the Trade Show will also include formal informative=20 sessions by eminent professionals from the industry. And the central=20 attraction of the event is the National Awards for Excellence that'll=20 honour different personalities and facilities of the Amusement=20 Industry. Clark Robinson, former President (IAAPA), and current Director will=20 give these awards away for Global Affairs of International=20 Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions, USA. A detailed Press Release regarding the same has already been=20 despatched to your office. I'd like to hereby personally request you=20 to please take note of the contents therein and publish the same in=20 your distinguished publication. The event is not open to the general public, but members of the media=20 sure are on our list of esteemed invitees. I'd greatly appreciate if=20 you could please depute a suitable team from your office to attend=20 and cover the event and bring to light the various offerings of the=20 sector. ----------- Copywrite 2006 India Infoline Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:32:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53753 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:32:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:30:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:30:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: For Sale - Aircraft carrier (with Ferris wheel) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1wCekuxqQ8ZwgVGmt16lpPyPQTGzN0eNMYPp1JraZidAVZM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/16/2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060216-092511-5169r SHANGHAI, China -- The Chinese port city of Shenzhen will auction a=20 Russian aircraft carrier that has been used as an amusement park in=20 recent years. The sale, set for next month, was necessitated after owner Minsk World=20 Industries Co. Ltd. went bankrupt, the Shanghai Daily said Thursday. The warship remains popular, having drawn 33,000 visitors during=20 China's last Spring Festival. The vessel, which has been used as an amusement park for 5 years, was=20 once the flagship of Russia's Pacific Ocean fleet before it was=20 decommissioned and sold. ----------- =A9 2006 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93713 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:36:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 11:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2006 17:35:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:35:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Developer Offers to Buy Libertyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=P6HrdtpGyt__KKbAGQt1eTOhOFq6qHv-vAiGhIIg-9b_I7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 17, 2006 WREG-TV http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4497800&nav=3D3HvE By Roswell Encina MEMPHIS, TN -- Screams and cheers may roar down the "Zippin Pippin"=20 once again. 2 companies with a track record of turning around old=20 amusement parks want to give new life to Libertyland. The Midsouth=20 Fair Board shut down the 30 year old park last summer blaming poor=20 ticket sales. "I'm a believer. I believe in second chances," says=20 Steven Mulroy of 'Save Libertyland.' "I'm an optimist. I think we'll=20 be riding on that rebellion and those roller coasters next year,"=20 says Mulroy. One of the companies has even made an offer. A company called 'The T- Rex Group' has offered to lease the park's equipment for $10,000 a=20 month and buy the park at the end of the lease. "Everybody seems as=20 in the case of many cities in the U.S. they really enjoy LL and would=20 like to see it stay where it is," says Robert Barnard of T-Rex. But the Midsouth Fair Board says its mind is made-up. They just want=20 to liquidate LL. The city on the other hand is open to the=20 offer. "We'll look at it if it's a viable situation if they don't=20 want any subsidies from the city, we wont take bulldozers tomorrow=20 and tear everything done," says Mayor Willie Herenton's assistant=20 Pete Aviotti. The folks from T-Rex say if the folks from the Midsouth Fair board=20 don't budge they'll have to withdraw their offer. Folks with 'Save=20 Libertyland' hope this ride isn't over yet. "We've got to get them to=20 slow down and let this process work," says Mulroy. -------- =A9 Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WREG From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Feb 17 09:57:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31943 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 17:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2006 17:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD004D843D@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NEWS: Amusement Park Science Thread-Index: AcYz6qlLLMUmMa7zQr6kQm7oqzOnoQAAHbwg To: X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: NEWS: Amusement Park Science X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=CCg2MUTMbnfg6wcdjxvfR8TSev611a9gJFtjsF2jLbyPvSYLdg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Fredonia, NY -- Roller coasters, water slides, a haunted house? What=20 > in the name of Newton is going on at Fredonia Middle School? Isn't "Fredonia" the name of the fictional country that Groucho Marx runs in "Duck Soup"? Jon (having a slow day) Z ______________________________=20=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 21:06:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11478 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 05:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2006 05:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 05:06:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 05:05:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2006 05:05:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:05:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.126.129 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Kobe Portopialand, Mosaic Garden and Central Park Himeji X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0ctYjnCHl_ha9RHmSopQofFEVnoE0eDmaL8cf7BCMUsjLSKi9A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Where: Kobe Portopialand (KP), Mosaic Garden (MG) and Central Park Himeji (CPH) When: Saturday, 7 January 2005 Who: Just me, as usual Why: Because Kobe Portopia Land closes forever on 31 March 2005! This one may get a little long as I added an extra park that day and I'd like to put a little extra detail into Portopialand as it is about to close. I left Yokosuka very early this morning in order to fit the two parks I had planned into one day. To arrive at KP by opening I had to catch the very first train from Yokosuka, the first subway at Kamiooka and the second Shinkansen at Shinyokohama. After arriving at Shinkobe, I transferred to the subway line and then the Portliner to Minamikoen station. I did have a little trouble finding my way from the subway to the Portliner as the signage really wasn't adequate. While on the bridge to Portopialand, I noticed a small amusement park across the harbor and made a mental note to try to find it if time permitted. =20 Just outside Minamikoen station is the entrance to Kobe Portopialand. Somewhat utilitarian, it simply consists of a small building for group sales, a tiny two window box for regular sales and a small roof over the turnstiles. The plain wrought-iron fence on either side is also quite plain. The park covers an area roughly equivalent to six city blocks, laid out 3 by 2. Upon entering the park I was initially impressed with the theming of the park with Bavarian styled buildings, a large (bigger than the Mayflower, a bit smaller than Columbia at Disneyland) realistic looking pirate ship (not a ride, but possibly once a show?) and many other nice touches like mosaic laid walkways. =20 Sadly, I realized as I walked around the park that much of the theming has been allowed to fall into disrepair and decay. The pirate ship on closer examination appears to be rotting away, the mountain covering BMRX is crumbling and exposing the underlying latticework, several of the buildings look like they haven't been painted in years. This park in no way is in as bad shape as Nara Dreamland, but it is headed that way. =20 My first stop was Munich Autobahn. This is a large Mack Bobsled coaster that ISN'T themed to bobsleds! The station is elevated, and arcade games are arranged underneath the large station / train barn. The train barn is actually after the station, which is somewhat unusual. The third longest example of the style, it was satisfying as the shorter ones don't get enough speed to really get wild. This brings me to 7 of 10 worldwide on Mack Bobsleds! After a 180 left and climbing the lift, the progression of turns is as follows: 90 left, 315 right, 45 left, 270 right, 45 left, 495 right down helix, 495 up left helix, wide bank 180 right, straight, and a wide bank 180 right narrowing into the brake run. With a good amount of left and right sliding as well as enough speed to climb up the sides of the turns pretty far, this falls behind only Trace du Hourra (Parc Asterix) and Schweizer Bobbhan (Heide Park) in my rank.Interestingly those are the only two that are longer. =20 Next, I passed several midway games in dedicated buildings and a dark walkthrough that was incorporated into the structure of the large show stage and also supports part of the log flume. Also in this building was an arcade. The next building housed 2 restaurants. =20 Continuing around the park counterclockwise, the stations for the bumper boats and the log flume are on the inside and the Double Loop station is on the outside of the park's single ring path. =20 Double Loop is a Schwartzkopf custom coaster, as is BMRX. Double Loop has a large yellow station and currently only has one train although there is a transfer and storage track that leads me to believe that there were once two. The lift hill is straight out of the station and the track makes a graceful dropping left 180 turn maintaining the gentle drop as the track straightens out before entering the two=20 vertical loops. Quite forceful, (RCDB lists 4 G's) the loops are wonderful, and as Anton showed us time and time again, you don't need OTSR's just to go upside down. After the two loops, the track makes a high gently banked left turn over the brake run. The next turns are to the right and weave up and down behind the Top Spin, the Giant Wave Swinger and the Condor before a final pop of air into the two brake runs. I was pretty surprised to get air that late in the ride! A second ride was called for, but they would only allow me to sit in the front row of the coaster. The rear half of the train was loaded with sand bags! =20 From there, continuing around the park there was an attraction called Panic House and a small minigolf course that were closed, Next was a Flying Carpet and the ever present Ferris Wheel. Panic House appeared to be one of those Crazy House 'rides.' =20 Next up on the inner side of the ring was the Top Spin and a Giant Wave Swinger with 2-person swings. On the outer side of the ring was a Condor ride with nautical themed cars. =20 Between the Wave Swinger and the large enclosed double decker carousel was the entrance to the Shoot the Chutes. This had a non-standard layout being neither a simple oval nor a figure eight as well as having covered boats. This one seemed as though the covers were removable. The large pirate ship seen from the entrance was within the boundaries of this ride, and the lake was shared with the other water rides. =20 Across from the carousel was a miniature train ride, next to which was BMRX, the park's second Schwartzkopf coaster. Formerly known as Bavarian Mountain Railroad, this custom coaster is themed just as it sounds, with the track climbing, crawling and dropping all over a mountain with model buildings and trees lending to the scenery. There are a few geysers of mist at key locations along the track, and are close enough that in the back of the train they get you a little damp. After more than a few rides on this very enjoyable coaster, I noticed that the scenery on the mountain was actually a little worn down to the extent that in some places holes had broken all the way through. After about ten laps on this helix filled coaster with one particularly crazy drop, I moved on to explore the final side of the park. =20 The final side of the park consists of two long buildings with a Tudor style. The one on the inside edge of the park contains some restaurants and the park information office while the other has bumper cars, some midway games, a large gift shop and another restaurant. I believe the park offices are on the second floor of this building. =20 I considered making another lap of the park hitting the coasters again, but I had taken LOTS of pictures, none of the flats were begging that I ride, and I was more interested in seeing if I could squeeze in the bonus park and still have time for Central Park. With some more people, a warmer day, and a lot of TLC this park won't be receiving, this would have been a really nice and fun little park. =20 I asked around quite a lot about the closing of the park. Many of the ride operators didn't seem to know that the park was closing, but a few did. They didn't know why, only offering that possibly the land was being sold. The park information office was a little more helpful. This woman indicated that due to the new Kobe airport opening in February that the land would be being put to use in another fashion. She was unsure if the land would be sold first, or if the park's owners were doing the new development. She was not certain if the area would be used for parking, hotels, or other airport related support facilities such as rental car agencies, or a combination of some or all of this. =20 Returning to the station, a little sad, knowing that this park would be closing forever soon and few if any of the rides would likely be saved. =20 Once on the train, I closely watched outside the windows to see if I could find the small amusement park on my maps. Once I caught sight of the Ferris Wheel again, I could see a coaster behind it. Score! I counted the piers between the bridge the train was on, and found the approximate location on my map. Once back at the other end of the line, I asked one of the station agents what train station was nearest to the park in question. Armed with that knowledge, I walked through one of Kobe's underground shopping malls to catch another subway line. Getting off at the station nearest Kobe Station, I caught a taxi to the park, Mosaic Garden. If I had known how close this park was to the subway, I'd have walked! After a 2 minute taxi ride, (including one traffic light) I arrived at the mall and amusement park called Mosaic Garden. =20 There isn't really a lot to say about this little park. There is a small coaster, which turned out to be an identical twin to Labyrinth at Central Park. There's a medium sized Ferris wheel. Shocking! A Ferris wheel in a Japanese amusement park! A flying elephant ride, a small motion simulator, a small walk through attraction, a ball jump, and the largest collection of coin operated rides I have seen in any Japanese park. That's it. I was done here in roughly 15 minutes and walked back to Kobe Station via a series of underground tunnels. Kobe does have a LOT of underground pedestrian malls. =20 I caught the first semi-express train to Himeji station and as I was becoming a little pressed for time, caught a taxi to the park for about $33. The first thing you see when arriving at CPH is a largish roller coaster that is actually mostly outside the park. To the left are the safari buses and the parking lots are like large steps down towards the park entrance. The farthest lot from the gate contained tracks for a coaster that was removed from another park and will be installed here, not opening until possibly next year. =20 I made some mistakes with my ticket purchases here. I asked for a free pass, but I somehow ended up with an entrance ticket with included safari. I tried to get on the first coaster, but was denied. So I went back to the ticket window and bought a ride pass. I ended up spending about $80 for little over 2 hours here, and I didn't even end up having time for the safari! Ouch! I have really got to work on my Japanese! =20 The entrance building is really big, 3 stories and about the size of a football field. Besides the ticket windows and a couple stores, I really don't know why it was so big. Even park administration offices couldn't take up that much space, so possibly there are hotel rooms or some other functions. =20 Behind this building is a small plaza surrounded by an arcade, some small restaurants, a dark walkthrough, a motion simulator, coin operated ride-on animals and the station for Jet Coaster (Camelback Jetcoaster?). This is another one of those rides over here that look big, but don't really DO anything. A long lift hill takes you out of the park, over the safari buses and along the outer entrance plaza. At the top, it levels out until the whole train has peaked before turning left and the whole train straightens again before the first drop. This drop levels out right over the city bus stop and taxi stand and actually fairly fun. It runs flat for a second, then rises up until all the speed is killed and levels out again. The next segment has a constant down grade of about 3-5% and makes a large slightly banked 270 degree left turn. After this turn, there is an upward sloped 90 degree right before a second smaller drop over the taxi stand/bus stop. A right turn leads the track back along the lift hill and into a pair of would-be air hills if it weren't for the trim brakes on each up slope. After the track passes the station, there is a slight left turn and the track gently rises and falls as it approaches and traverses a large right turn back into the station. Another brake run slows the train just prior to entering the station. I had a second round trip, but it really was a ho-hum kind of ride. =20 Next, I passed a new looking 4D theatre that was playing a movie I had seen before (Sorry, I forget what it was! This is what happens when I wait too long to write up a TR!) I quickly whored myself out to the caterpillar coaster and then passed the entrance to the water park and a small kiddy car ride. The water park looks almost entirely in house created except the new slides for '06. The lazy river, some waterfall pools, racing slides and a large tube slide all had a distinctly home made appearance. There is also a small sprayground being installed. =20 I wanted to work my way back to the last two coasters before looking at the rest of the lower level of the park, so I made my way over to a long covered motorized walkway that looked like a super long grocery store conveyer belt and walked up it to the back of the park. =20 To the left were a small suspended monorail with what looked like Donald Duck cars and the Labyrinth coaster. The little trains on this one looked like they had just been polished or somehow spruced up. Not quite a mouse, and not specifically any other type either, it was a fairly nice family coaster just as it's not as nice looking twin at Mosaic Garden. =20 Next, I made my way to my reason for coming to Himeji, The Batman: The Ride clone, Diavalo. I'm going to write this part based on the premise that everybody reading a Trip Report about an obscure Japanese amusement park is enough of a coasterphile that they have been on at least one if not more of B&M's inverted, dare I say it, masterpieces. Now take that 5-inversion 55 mp/h goodness and try it in upper-30's lower-40's degree temperatures with the sun nearly set, and you will know what a freak we coaster junkies can be. Like all of these clones, it has that lovely sound, is smooth and has great low-g, zero-g and inverted force moments. What this one had that no other B&M I've ever been on (not even Orochi at Expoland in Osaka) was zero wait times. There was nobody in line for this coaster. I rode it solo a few times and with as many as two people a few others. I took POV footage, I tried all 4 front seats, and I loved every second. What I didn't get to do was ride in the back. CPH loads this coaster front to back, and if nobody was in row 7, I wasn't getting in row 8. Period. The front two rows had massive amounts of wear visible on the OTSR's and the seats, but the back of the train looked like it had just been unwrapped from its plastic. =20 After re-riding far more times than any other B&M I've ever been on, (I think I got 12 rides in about 45 minutes.) I tortured myself on the Intamin 1st generation freefall to get an aerial shot of Labyrinth, then passed a Rock'n'Roll, a covered flying bobs and an enterprise before riding my third Ferris wheel of the day for more high angle shots of the park's coasters. =20 From up there, I got my only look at the lower corner of the park I skipped. I could see a very slow go kart track, a Zamperla balloon race, a flying elephant ride, a miniature train, a carousel, a swinging ship and a small helicopter ride. I did two dark walkthroughs before I had to leave to catch my Shinkansen. The first was similar to one I had seen before where you carry a glowing plastic skull around and plug it into various stations making meaningless choices or answering questions (in Japanese) that somehow registered within your little skull. When finished, you were given a score that meant something if you can read Japanese. (I need to learn more Japanese!) =20 The other walkthrough was easier to 'get.' Teams of 4 people are handed electronic shotguns and you proceed through 4 mission rooms. A brief is given prior to each course with pictures giving you a run down of what you will be required to do in each mission. As I was alone and no one showed up to play with me, I went through the course alone. This means my team score was really low, but it was a lot of fun anyway. Target practice, a home invasion, a hostage scenario and an alien invasion were the four missions, and this would be a great addition to a lot of places in the US like large arcades, Jeepers/Chuck E Cheese type places or amusement parks could all make use of this type of attraction. =20 The sun was just about gone and I had to catch my train, so I left this interesting park. There were large picnic grounds and lots of open space here, so I suspect this park is more geared towards families than a lot of places. In all, Central Park Himeji was a very nice family park with one out of place coaster. =20 As there was no bus going back for a while, I asked the staff to call me a taxi, which oddly was a little cheaper ($30) going back. I caught my train with about 5 minutes to spare and took the long ride home. =20 Chris B =20 Next up: South Kyushu. Possible parks include Mitsui Greenland, Kijima Amusement Park, Kagoshima Jungle Land, Harmonyland, Wonder Rakutenchi and Miyazaki City Phoenix Zoo. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 04:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51421 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 12:28:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 12:27:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 12:27:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:27:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Notes and rumors from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wd8PaXKkbPAAMtZiSNaLNx56VOGUhiYFLXLxUGHA6eIdN4c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I was out at BGT on Saturday for their grand opening preview party for Pirates 4D, and wanted to give a brief TR and summary of the day as well as some interesting tidbits I picked up along the way. First, they did a really neat opening for the new 4d movie. It replaces Haunted Lighthouse, which frankly I thought sucked. Pirates is much better- more enjoyable, and a lot more fun. Sure it's a bit older and been around a bit, but it's still good stuff. For the opening, they set up several booths around the Timbuktu area, where the theater is. Then they had several groups from the annual pirate's festival (Gasparilla to locals) come in and staff the booths and hand out "pirate booty" (beads) to everyone who wanted some.=20 Costume characters galore were out, including a koala, giraffe, hippo, and a couple of others. They were also giving photos with a pirate out to passholders (Platinum holders got one free, gold holder got one at half price). A very nice set up, and I liked how they shared it with everyone who was at the park, not just a select few like many media days are. I managed to get in a few rides on Montu, Kumba, and SheiKra before the crowds started showing up on what turned out to be a hugely busy day Kumba is certainly running better, and you can tell the work helped out what is still a great coaster. But I'd still choose Montu and SheiKra over it. Being third in a park with those three though certainly isn't a bad thing. On the rumor front, a couple of interesting things: Python's days are numbered. That's fairly common knowledge around, and they are firming up and finalizing plans to remove it. No word on what's happening to it, but frankly I'd be surprised if they do anything more than scrap it, as old as it is. Its replacement is a mystery still. The oragutans will be getting a new home soon, and many seem to think that it will be in that area.=20 But there are also several strong rumblings that they're also planning a new ride on Python's footprint, as well as expanding backwards into some of the land out behind it. There's not a lot there, but there is some. No idea what kind of ride, or what it would be, but interesting to think about. Another one that is new to me, but that I heard a couple of times, is that they're strongly looking at removing Stanley Falls, their old log flume. It's the second oldest ride in the park. Plans are apparently to replace it with a brand new, much more modern and exciting flume ride. We'll have to wait and see how that turns out. Thought you might like to know. Now, hopefully, I can find some time to get a TR written up for Animal Kingdom and Expedition Everest yesterday. I will get one done, but it may take a few. So keep on the lookout. keep on ridin' George From voicerodeo@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 06:38:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32685 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 14:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 14:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 14:38:39 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n25so1761394pyg for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr57684pym; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from LewisMobile ( [70.183.97.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y78sm641683pyg.2006.02.22.06.38.37; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:38:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001901c637bd$a67267e0$6901a8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:38:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Notes and rumors from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=PCn-uqxJYNhGFM9vatcfUvUnPYkkUARZqS_LUJ2b1PtMEXsgYw X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Glad to see they are doing something with Pirates 4D. We miss that show here at Sea World San Diego. That was the show they had originally in the theater that now shows Haunted Lighthouse. Pirates was a cute movie. At least it is going to good use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:27 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Notes and rumors from BGT >I was out at BGT on Saturday for their grand opening preview party for > Pirates 4D, and wanted to give a brief TR and summary of the day as > well as some interesting tidbits I picked up along the way. > > First, they did a really neat opening for the new 4d movie. It > replaces Haunted Lighthouse, which frankly I thought sucked. Pirates > is much better- more enjoyable, and a lot more fun. Sure it's a bit > older and been around a bit, but it's still good stuff. > > For the opening, they set up several booths around the Timbuktu area, > where the theater is. Then they had several groups from the annual > pirate's festival (Gasparilla to locals) come in and staff the booths > and hand out "pirate booty" (beads) to everyone who wanted some. > Costume characters galore were out, including a koala, giraffe, hippo, > and a couple of others. They were also giving photos with a pirate > out to passholders (Platinum holders got one free, gold holder got one > at half price). A very nice set up, and I liked how they shared it > with everyone who was at the park, not just a select few like many > media days are. > > I managed to get in a few rides on Montu, Kumba, and SheiKra before > the crowds started showing up on what turned out to be a hugely busy > day Kumba is certainly running better, and you can tell the work > helped out what is still a great coaster. But I'd still choose Montu > and SheiKra over it. Being third in a park with those three though > certainly isn't a bad thing. > > On the rumor front, a couple of interesting things: > Python's days are numbered. That's fairly common knowledge around, > and they are firming up and finalizing plans to remove it. No word on > what's happening to it, but frankly I'd be surprised if they do > anything more than scrap it, as old as it is. > > Its replacement is a mystery still. The oragutans will be getting a > new home soon, and many seem to think that it will be in that area. > But there are also several strong rumblings that they're also planning > a new ride on Python's footprint, as well as expanding backwards into > some of the land out behind it. There's not a lot there, but there is > some. No idea what kind of ride, or what it would be, but interesting > to think about. > > Another one that is new to me, but that I heard a couple of times, is > that they're strongly looking at removing Stanley Falls, their old log > flume. It's the second oldest ride in the park. Plans are apparently > to replace it with a brand new, much more modern and exciting flume > ride. We'll have to wait and see how that turns out. > > Thought you might like to know. Now, hopefully, I can find some time > to get a TR written up for Animal Kingdom and Expedition Everest > yesterday. I will get one done, but it may take a few. So keep on > the lookout. > > keep on ridin' > George > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 07:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38985 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 15:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 15:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.203) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 15:24:50 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so936550nfe for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.35.10 with SMTP id n10mr1895878nfj; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:23:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:23:45 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Notes and rumors from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=E1dAuezqICy9M88Qx8S4NfiOckbOSKa2lhMu0-QnY1LhDojAi4sLHEU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > First, they did a really neat opening for the new 4d movie. It > replaces Haunted Lighthouse, which frankly I thought sucked. Pirates > is much better- more enjoyable, and a lot more fun. I'm excited to see it next month. I read a lot of RL Stein when I was younger and really wanted to see the Haunted Lighthouse last March, but unfortunately the line was over an hour (yes, really). > Kumba is certainly running better, and you can tell the work > helped out what is still a great coaster. But I'd still choose > Montu > and SheiKra over it. I haven't ridden Sheikra yet, but I've never understood the hype over Montu. I've just never really "got" it. But that's fine, I'm happy riding Kumba all day. :) > On the rumor front, a couple of interesting things: > Python's days are numbered. Good riddance. Do they actually have more than one train for this ride? As nice as this ride looks, I don't think it belongs in a park this size. > Its replacement is a mystery still. I've always thought BGT is a very well-rounded park, and I don't think they're in particular need of anything coaster-wise. A family coaster for the Land of the Dragons might be nice, but otherwise I think the park is set. If they do decide to add any new rides, an area with a few flats might be a good idea. I'm not sure that's really BGT's style, but it would help to disperse crowds a bit. Otherwise, if they do decide to pull out the log flume, a nicely-themed water coaster would be fun. On the other hand, when is the last time BGT added any new animal exhibits? I know they redid their African area a few years back, but maybe it's time for a new, more interactive animal attraction. I don't remember how big the area in question really is. Did they ever reopen the orchid gardens under the Shoot-the-Chutes? > Now, hopefully, I can find some time > to get a TR written up for Animal Kingdom and Expedition Everest > yesterday. How is Everest operating right now? Is it open only to passholders?=20 Or is it open in previews every day? Any idea? -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 09:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9477 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 17:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:02:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: TR: Animal Kingdom part 2 (it's still long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=RLslE39CfJuAZFetAYnUWXFLoRVKJFrK__h-1KD5P5I6K6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok, here's part two of the mammoth missive. Enjoy. From there, we took a short lunch break at the Flame Tree BBQ. With only 4 "meal restaurants" and an in park choice of McDonalds (in a dinosaur), pizza, sandwiches and salads, or this, it seemed the best of a very limited amount of options. They have several "snack" stands and kiosks, but where are the restaurants? Where's the variety of food choices? They were severly lacking in this area. When a small park like Holiday World has more restaurants than a Disneyworld park, there's a major problem. The food was pretty good, though the kids weren't happy about not having a choice of fries instead of applesauce with their meals (to bad for them!), we shouldered our way through the crowds to Africa, which was even more crowded it seemed. Kilamanjaro Safari was posting a 70 minute wait, so we skipped that for a few in hopes that the line would go down and instead headed over to the "train to nowhere- also known as Rafiki's Planet Watch, so that we could get the kids another one of their stamps. By now we were getting the message that Disney was trying to do a zoo while cramming environmental messages down our throats every chance they had. And boy did they. Frankly, if we didn't need the stamp, we probably never would have come out to this area of the park. And if we'd skipped it, I don't think we would have missed much. A petting zoo, and a "get yourself straight with the environment" show that we didn't care to see. At least the train didn't have much of a wait. After getting their stamp, we hopped back on the train to Africa. We took some time to walk through one of their "Exploration Trails" to get the Africa stamp for the kids. It was nice, with some neat animal displays. But outside of some of the landscaping and theming, it was still essentially just a big zoo, which is something I've seen many times. And not something that I'd go out of my way and pay big bucks to Disney to go see. At this point, it was around 2:00, and we were running out of things to do. About the only things on our list left were the safari, Kali River Rapids, and the Lion King show, and maybe the parade. With almost 5 hours til park closing, I figured we might as well get in line for the Safari, which was now posting a 90 minute wait.=20 Thankfully, the CM manning the gate told us it was more like 50-60 minutes, though it had been longer earlier. So we got in line. 30-40 minutes later, we were getting on the ride. Kilamanjaro Safari is going to be colored through my experiences over on Rhino Rally. It's a much longer ride than RR, with many more animals. They weren't as free roaming as I had the impression they might be, with only a few that we actually had any chance of being close to, but that's ok. It was comfortable, and relatively smooth.=20 But there was no drama and little interest. Yes, a lot of that relies on the driver, who has to give the storyline drama. But the story line they give- that we have to catch poachers in the act, isn't carried out effectively. The "radio conversations" that the driver receives and transmits had no emotion in them. And you can only hear, "Simba One over and out," so many times before it starts to grate on your nerves. Even the voice radio acting was not good, nor were the couple of props on the route (what, is he doing karate in his landed airplane?) Even some of the facts he gave were wrong (zebras don't have black stripes on their skin. They're brown, not black- which is a fairly commonly known fact and no reason to get it mixed up here)=20 And I guess by this time I was really starting to get tired of having another "save the environment" message crammed down my throat with the poacher episode. Amber loved it, Joseph was ambivalent. I would still give it positive marks, and did like it, iup to me, and would choose Rhino over this one. But that's just me. :) After this, we wandered around towards Asia, passing up the Flights of Wonder bird show. I peeked at it really quick as we passed by and it looked pretty typical of a wild bird show, which I've seen in multiple place (BGT, SFMW, SD zoo, LA zoo, Texas Fair, etc., etc.) so I didn't mind skipping that. Had to laugh at the "MUST SEE" note next to in the map. Guess they really have to encourage people not to skip it. In any case, we headed over to Kali river, which showed a 50 minute wait, but it turned out to be closer to 20. I'm not used to Disney being so inaccurate on wait times, since they're usually pretty good. I guess they're computer system wasn't working real well today, but couldn't complain to much since it did us good. Kali River, though, has to be among the most disappointing rapids rides I've ever been on. You start up a long lift hill. You turn the corner and go through a burning forest fire (here's the environmental part- they just needed Smokey the Bear), with no waves or action whatsoever in it. Then we came to the drop- one long drop which produces a wave that splashes everyone. There's one small dip into a wave after that, then you turn a couple of very calm corners, go under a light fountain that people shoot from an overlook, then you're in the station again. Where's all the waves? Where's the rapids?=20 Where's the action? Outside of the drop, it's a boring ride with nothing to it. Really, kind of pitiful and I think all three of us agreed that it was almost a waste of time. Not something I would wait a long time for, that's for sure. We caught the kid's stamp at the end of another long "exploration" trail, where we got to see the tigers, bats, and some other animals in the ruins of an Indian Palace. Again, nice sets and theming, but not all that different than what you'd see at a zoo. A tiger is still a tiger, no matter where they are. It was now just after 4, so we headed over around the tree hub to find a place for the parade at 5pm. We took a spot near the entry to Camp Minnie-Mickey, a place that we had stopped in earlier to get a stamp for the kids. There's nothing in it except character meet and greets, a Pocahontas show that challenges you to be "a friend of nature", and the Lion King show. We wanted to see the latter, and decided to get it right after the parade, so took a spot with that in mind. We enjoyed a bit of pizza from the nearby pizzarea while waiting, and here had one of those magical moments that Disney is so well known for. We were sitting on some rocks that make up a planter, and Amber and Joseph took some dead leaves, grass and stuff from the planter and fashioned them into a little flag/ pennant, then did a "hooray Animal Kingdom" cheer. One of the CM's monitoring the parade route noticed and loved it. She then came over and said that if she could, she had to have it to put in her office. She had the kids sign it with their names and where they were from so she could remember, then gave them each a pin from her pin trading lanyard for it. It was a really neat moment, and one they were still talking about the next morning. The parade was well done, and in some ways was the first time in several hours that I started to feel "Disneyfied" if you know what I mean. It did a great job of being a Disney parade, and we really enjoyed it. When it was over, we immediately turned around and made the dash for the theater, since the show was starting in 10 minutes, to the encouragement of a couple of CM's along the way (good natured, and we had some laughs about that) and made it with no problem. The Lion King show was great! Elaborate stage sets, and some great figures. Acrobatics, tumbling, costumes, and singing were all top notch. It was a great way to end the day, and as we left, I finally really felt like I'd been at a Disneyworld park Why it had to wait until the end of the day for that to kick in, I don't know. But I was very happy that we saved the show for last. After that we picked up a couple of small souveniers and headed out for the long drive home after a long, exhausting day. Overall, we had a good time, but there was a lot that was disappointing. The huge lack of things to do was one of the first notable ones. There are barely a handful of rides and attractions, and you can very quickly run out of things to do here. Especially if you're not an animal lover, as you can be done with the park in a couple of hours. I am, and I still had a lot of sitting time because we'd done everything- even on a crowded day. They simply need more things to do- a lot of them. I wouldn't even want the e-tickets necessarily. Put in some C and D style attractions- just to help suck up the crowds, give them somewhere to go and something to do. They desparately need more. For all those that complain about DCA, at least there is a lot to do there. DCA has far more to do than Animal Kingdom does, far more. Speaking of crowds, I couldn't believe how many people there were. It was packed. Part of this maybe because of Daytona last weekend, and I heard schools in New York and Orlando were out, but there was still a lot of people there. others told me that the crowds weren't bad though. Which made me think a bit more and realize that it was indicative of other problems- narrow walkways, not enough room for people to get around, and no place for them to go and do anything.=20 While the park may be huge acreage wise, when it comes to the attractions, restaurants, shops, rides, shows, etc., it's a small park and there's not enough for all the people coming through their gates. Not to mention the walking paths are confusing and very limited, without alternate walkways. Just bad all the way around. Atmosphere is off to. If I want a zoo, I'll go to one for $10/ person, not $60. Especially not to have "save the environment" shoved down my throat every time I turn around. I've never been to a park, zoo, or otherwise that did that as much as they did here. I do a lot of donations and other thngs on the side in this area, but it was emphasized way to much. Let me learn to love the animals by watching them. You don't have to tell me to love them, and tell me that I'm scum if I don't recycle my cell phones because it kills the elephants (oh, and before someone jumps me, yes I do recylce my phones!) Every time I turned around, it was another one to the point where I wanted to scream at them to stop and leave me alone. And it wasn't very Disney, if you know what I mean- in that, or in what was in the park, some of the attractions, all the long walking trails to see animals, and things like that. With all that said, it has some great rides. The Lion King show is one not to be missed. The Safari can be a great ride, though I'd almost rather have the driver just be quiet than read his script. And Everest is a fantastic ride that is going to help a park that desparately needs it. Everest is going to be a huge hit. It's just to bad that it's stuck in a park that is anything but... I'm confident though that as we eventually get to experience the other Disney parks here that they won't disappoint like AK did. I've heard to many good things about them. :) Thanks for sticking with me and reading this huge thing. I hope you enjoyed, and look forward to your comments. Even if they're telling me I'm an idiot for not thinking more positive things about the park. :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 09:02:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6442 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 17:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 17:02:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:01:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:01:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: TR: Expedition Everest and AK part 1 (it's long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=GNV56VMeLTiyBbEEkiaYSeUXrBxFwd-9ODDX7OmliyUKKCM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash part 1 of 2, of a huge TR. Sorry so long, but you know how I am. :) Through a friend in the Florida Coaster club, we were lucky enough to be invited to a commercial shoot on Expedition Everest on Tuesday, and after the filming was done to spend the rest of the day in the park.=20 Since we hadn't had a chance to visit any of the Disneyworld parks yet, we didn't pass up the opportunity, and bright and early Tuesday we were waiting at the gates for the day to start. Who: me, my daughter Amber, and my son Joseph When: Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2006 Weather: cool and foggy in the morning, turning into a beautiful warm day Crowds: fairly heavy (more on that) We arrived at the park entrance at 5:30am, though we didn't have to be there until 6:15. But I left early since I didn't know how bad the fog would be and didn't want to get stuck. It turned out to be light at ground level, and heavy about 10 feet up, so easy to drive in and meaning we got there really early. After finding a bathroom for Amber (outside the gates and even unlocked this early! Yea!) we stood around at the entry window waiting for others to show up and watching the grounds crew do their work to get the park ready. By 6:15 we had a pretty good sized crowd, and after signing our permissions and waivers, we headed back to Everest. The park was quite pretty this early, especially with the fog shrouding much of it giving it a misty feeling. And without people around it was nice and quiet. Oh how that would change later on. We spent around 4 hours with the commercial shooting, getting in two rides. Joseph was placed in the seat just behind the camera one, and would have been in the camera seat if they had done more taping. But they were very pleased with what they got early on, so no close up for him. But he was very excited none-the-less, especially since he got to ride while Amber and I were still waiting. Much of the shoot was taken up with filming loading and unloading over and over again, hence the lack of rides. But it was fun, and to get the free park admission was more than worth it. The kids had a great time with it, made some friends, and learned a good bit about how tv and commercials are made. The ride itself is great. Without giving out spoilers (though I know they're already all over the internet), it holds out very well in the tradition of Disney coasters. The theming and storyline is very well done. It's smooth, fast, and thrilling, without being an intensity machine. The Yeti part is very well done, and the major drop comes as a bit of a surprise. The hardest part about the drop was not putting up our hands, as they had to be hands down for the cameras. It is one of those drops that you almost instinctively want to raise them on.=20 It's a great ride, lots of fun, and very rerideable. In many ways, it was the highlight of the park. You'll understand why as I go on. After a few light snacks and one last ride for everyone, they politely herded us out of the area and let us go at about 10:15 instead of the scheduled 12:30, so we had plenty of time to see everything in the park. The park is a bit like a circle within a circle. The main hub, with the big Tree of Life, is on an island in the center of the park. Then the rest of the lands are on lands surrounding the circle, with some of them connected and some separated unto themselves. That causes some confusion, and traffic pattern promises as you'll see. We started out pretty much where they let us out, in the Dinoland USA area, themed after a chintzy 50's roadside tourist trap. For those that bad on DCA's "cheap" theming, you haven't seen this. Most of you know I like DCA, but whoever designed this area should be ashamed. It smacks of cheap, tacky, and poorly done. Yes it's supposed to be that way, but it doesn't blend with any of the rest of the park, feels out of place, and is just off kilter. It's also the area with the majority of "rides" in it. And the crowds were already here, with more arriving. We stared out with a quick trip on the Triceratop Spin, which is essentially a Dumbo ride. The back seat makes it go up and down, while the front seat can modify the "tilt" of the car. Cute, and nice to start with since it had no line. We then headed over to Dinosaur, which uses the Indy ride system to have you go back in time to right before the meteor impact that kills the dinosaurs, duck and dodge several big beasts, and try to find a "tagged" allosaur to bring back with you before it's to late. This was a great ride, though both of my kids didn't like it, finding it to be much scarier and more intense than they had expected. My daughter, who liked Indy, particularly disliked this one. This wasn't unusual, as many of the kids getting off didn't seem to pleased with having been on it. So a good ride- but only for those that are a bit older, which seems to leave off a good chunk of the audience. Next stop was Primeval Whirl, the side by side Reverchon spinning mice. Whooo! What theming! What incredible expense and development they put into this... oh, wait, I'm starting to sound like Mike :P I like spinning Mice, and they ran these incredibly efficiently. The cars don't stop in the loading area, constantly moving through, so you unload and load while it's crawling along. The only place they stop is right at the chain lift, where they is usually a 2 car wait to start up. They had 5 or 6 cars moving on the track at any given point, plus 2 waiting for chain and 3 or so in the station, so that's around 10 cars running non-stop on a mouse! That's efficient. But it's still a spinning mouse. We enjoyed it though, and it was another coaster credit. hehe We also took the time to check the kids into the "Kids Discovery Club"- a little booklet that they can get stamped at 6 different activity locations in the park. If they get all the stamps, then they get another "special" stamp for collecting all of them. A bit silly, but I'm happy we did it as it gave us something to do once we were about done with everything else in the park. From there we headed over to Discovery Island, home of the tree, Bug's Life, and most of the retauarants and shops in the park. Here it was obvious that the park has problems. It was hugely crowded here- shoulder to shoulder people, and having to bump and bang your way through them to get to anything. Unfortunately, you don't have any choice, as the only way in and out of the park routes through this island with it's to small walkways. Two of the area also only have one access point- through this island. And Africa and Asia, while joined, still have to be accessed through here first. And when the walkways aren't much bigger than a couple of Mainstreet's sidewalks put together (forget the street, it's just the sidewalks), there's no room. This turned out to be true in much of the park. It seems that designers forgot that people actually need room to walk- especially when there's a lot of them. In any case, we headed over to Bug's Life. We'd seen it in DCA, but Joseph had left half way through that time when he got a bit scared (in fairness, he was 7 at the time). You get a great view of the Tree of Life and many of the animals carved into it on the way into the theater, which is under the tree. You enter and exit from the opposite sides of the one in DCA, and the entry lobby seemed smaller than DCA's, but was otherwise similar to it. I did like the tree over the theater better than a farm area though. :) The theater was packed to the gills- no empty seats, and some were doubling up in the seats. The show was great, as is the one in CA, but I noticed one difference here- there was nowhere near the emphasis that it wasn't a good idea not to bring in small kids. There were a few signs, but they weren't noticeable. And the CM's didn't seem to notice or pay attention to the kids- a marked difference at DCA where it seems they were constantly saying something either directly to people or over te PA system. So sure enough, the first scary scene brought tons of screaming and crying kids. Not good. And that makes 2 major attractions that aren't appropriate for the youngsters, and neither one really did much to make that clear either. If my kids were younger and I wasn't informed, I would have been a bit upset. Seems like they need to improve on making that clear, but it's not the only improvement needed here. We got the kids their next stamp as we were leaving the theater, which meant the only way to get that stamp is to go through the show. So not only were they not warning parents, but if they're trying to get the stamps, but unless I missed it, they actually encouraging young kids to go in since that's the only way to get the stamp. Not good. Part 2 coming right behind this one keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 09:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34518 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 17:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 17:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 17:29:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:27:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 17:26:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:26:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Notes and rumors from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Wf4ZMkO_VdCkdHvdAZyBQCJG6yswW-RxDiKzaTuDwMDLRIY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > First, they did a really neat opening for the new 4d movie. It > > replaces Haunted Lighthouse, which frankly I thought sucked. Pirates > > is much better- more enjoyable, and a lot more fun. >=20 > I'm excited to see it next month. I read a lot of RL Stein when I was > younger and really wanted to see the Haunted Lighthouse last March, > but unfortunately the line was over an hour (yes, really). That may be because they only showed Lighthouse every hour on the hour. It came out weird with the waits sometimes. Pirates they're showing every 40 minutes, so that should work better. If you're a RL Stein fan, you'll probably enjoy it, but it didn't go over well with many who weren't, or with the kids. >=20 > > On the rumor front, a couple of interesting things: > > Python's days are numbered. >=20 > Good riddance. Do they actually have more than one train for this > ride? As nice as this ride looks, I don't think it belongs in a park > this size. Only one train now, but it used to have at least two when they opened it up back in the mid 1970's. It was the first major thrill ride/ coaster that they opened at the park, and I've heard how incredible people thought it was when it opened. But that was a long time ago, and times have changed a bit. I don't think that there are many that will be sorry to see it go at this point. > If they do decide to add any new rides, an area with a > few flats might be a good idea. I'm not sure that's really BGT's > style, but it would help to disperse crowds a bit.=20=20 A number of people would agree on the flats. That's one area that the park does lack a bit. BGW has a number of them, so it's not that much of a stretch. >=20 > On the other hand, when is the last time BGT added any new animal > exhibits? I know they redid their African area a few years back, but > maybe it's time for a new, more interactive animal attraction. I'm sure that's what they're planning on with the Oragatan's. I know that there are several other animals "behind the scenes" that they'd like to be able to bring out where the public can see and observe them. >=20 > I don't remember how big the area in question really is. Did they > ever reopen the orchid gardens under the Shoot-the-Chutes? No, execept for a little portion you walk by on the exit. Otherwise it's all closed off and I don't think they're going to reopen it. But I honestly don't have a clue what's happening or what the thoughts are on that. > How is Everest operating right now? Is it open only to passholders?=20 > Or is it open in previews every day? Any idea? Previews every day for anyone in the park. They opened it up about an hour and a half after we were done it. So as far as I know, it should be open to everyone. Not quite all of the effects are going yet, and they do reserve the right to close it down to make improvements, fixes and what not on it. But if you visit, you've got a good shot of being able to get on it at this point. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 10:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87022 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.206) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 18:24:56 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d4so975733nfe for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.238.3 with SMTP id l3mr1968679nfh; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:24:52 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Notes and rumors from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=k9xn-uDUiC5VjFVrtJRI5NzYNI6Ftt2JYFnB7G2A7o-sI3Nc18YpkLY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > That may be because they only showed Lighthouse every hour on the > hour. It came out weird with the waits sometimes. Yeah, it was clear they had not adaquately planned for the crowds on the day we visited. About halfway through the day they started showing the Haunted Lighthouse every half hour, and the line was still incredibly long. We left soon after that. > Only one train now, but it used to have at least two when they opened > it up back in the mid 1970's. That's what I thought, and that's why this ride had an hour wait last March. There's simply no excuse for that in a park the size of BGT.=20 The ride's maximum capacity must be under 700pph, and although this park has some great crews, the one on Python was not good. I think it was dispatching about once every 3-4 minutes. Ouch. > A number of people would agree on the flats. That's one area that the > park does lack a bit. BGW has a number of them, so it's not that much > of a stretch. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But at the same time, I believe BGT has removed one or two flats over the years and BGW hasn't added any new flats in ages. I think an observation tower (or a drop tower) would be a great addition somewhere near the middle of the park, but that's just me. > I'm sure that's what they're planning on with the Oragatan's. I know > that there are several other animals "behind the scenes" that they'd > like to be able to bring out where the public can see and observe them. Very cool. My current favorite animal exhibit is the hippos because I love hippos, and I think that exhibit is awesome in that you can see them above ground or underwater. The Minnesota Zoo has some cool exhibit where kids can crawl through the Meekrat exhibit in clear plastic tunnels. I think something like this would be a great addition for BGT. > > I don't remember how big the area in question really is. Did they > > ever reopen the orchid gardens under the Shoot-the-Chutes? > > No, execept for a little portion you walk by on the exit. Otherwise > it's all closed off and I don't think they're going to reopen it. That's too bad. This used to be really pretty, and was quiet and relaxing. Perhaps they could use this area for expansion also (although this park certainly isn't pressed for space!). > > How is Everest operating right now? > But if you visit, you've got a good shot of being able to get on it at th= is > point. Cool, thanks. At this point I'm not sure if we'll be doing Animal Kingdom, but it's nice to know Everest might be open. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79233 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:18:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:18:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:18:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:18:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:18:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OBITUARY: Kasmir Ulaky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FR1jjSuqh5jCEJ3yeo9ZEk6G2Y1cQYrb7ICG4BKUU5gD-Pc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 22, 2006 Associated Press WCAX-TV 3 http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4534657 WINDHAM, NH -- The owner of Canobie Lake Park amusement center in=20 Salem (New Hampshire) has died at age 83. Kasmir Ulaky of Windham died February 14th at Holy Family Hospital in=20 Methuen, Massachusetts. He was a native of Staten Island born to=20 Hungarian parents. In 1958, Ulaky bought Canobie Lake Park with two partners and turned=20 it into a New England amusement landmark. As a bomber pilot in World War Two, Ulaky was shot down over=20 Yugoslavia and smuggled to Allied territory by partisans. --------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WCAX From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:25:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:25:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Mirabel Airport to be turned into amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KyhO_xyYfrjkE-Fi35hrfgUPPT9VOz3AShZ0BzLH-FLEnJw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 21 2006 Canadian Press http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060221/mirabel_p ark_060221/20060221?hub=3DCanada&s_name=3D Mirabel, MONTREAL, CA -=97 Montreal's large Mirabel Airport, recently=20 closed to all passenger traffic, is to be turned into a giant=20 amusement park on the themes of water and space, with the first of 3=20 phases to cost $100 million. The deal was announced Tuesday by the Montreal Airports Authority,=20 which has struck a deal with 2 private developers from France. AeroDream (Reveport in French) will include a giant aquarium, indoor=20 tropical beach, a fitness centre, cinemas, giant-screen video games=20 and, of course, restaurants and stores. The project timetable calls for the renovation of the on-site hotel,=20 to serve as a showcase for the project, to begin by June with a fall=20 target completion date. Conversion of the passenger terminal would start in the fall aiming=20 at a phased-in opening by the end of 2007. James Cherry, president of the airport authority, said the agency=20 will not run the theme park, which will eventually hire 400-500=20 people. The airport authority "will have nothing to do with managing the=20 amusement park," Cherry said in an interview. "We just want to take=20 those assets that are under our control and get some use from them." The building consortium would lease the property from Transport=20 Canada for 25 years and that lease would be renewable. The AeroDream/Reveport developers are I-Parks Creative Industries,=20 which specializes in the design, development, financing and=20 management of recreational and tourism parks, and construction- engineering group Oger International. The firms are working together on several projects under development=20 in Asia, notably in Beijing, Guangdong and Macao. The sprawling facility some 40 kilometres north of Montreal was=20 billed as the airport of the future when it was opened amid great=20 fanfare in 1975. It cost $500 million at the time, including=20 expropriation of dozens of farms. Passenger growth projections did not happen, so the airport authority=20 and federal government took the controversial decision to converge=20 all flights at Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport in=20 suburban Dorval, more popular because of its proximity to the city. The last passenger traffic stopped at Mirabel in 2004, leaving only=20 cargo and private flights. --------- =A9 2006 Bell Globemedia Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 613 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:30:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:28:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:28:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:28:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nintendo to launch Pokemon amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jbAOAuGK3Y5fz5I_23N0lCCmioPmysMlXViFft0R2QNgpCE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 18, 2006 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060218/ennew_afp/japanentertainment_0602 18134225 TOKYO, JP -- Japan's Nintendo will launch a travelling amusement park=20 later this year with rides based on Pokemon characters, starting in=20 Taiwan. The Pokemon theme park will open in Taipei for a 3-month run from=20 June, aiming to draw a total of one million visitors, the Nihon=20 Keizai Shimbun said Saturday in its evening edition. The Nintendo group is considering moving the park later to the U.S.,=20 Europe and Shanghai, the economic daily added. The ubiquitous Pokemon characters, originally developed by Nintendo=20 for its "Game Boy" machine, have been made into a television=20 animation series aired in 70 countries and regions. The Pokemon park was temporarily built last year in the central=20 Japanese city of Nagoya to coincide with the World Exposition held=20 for 6 months to September. It drew 4.5 million visitors during its=20 half-year run. Nintendo officials could not be reached to confirm the report. -------- =A9 2006 Agence France Presse =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42288 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:33:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:32:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:32:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Three Rides Set To Return To Conneaut Lake Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dBrpb7sJaJQRrKAdaHGJ4em4QbXiEaS3YkK5kdtMePj8AsU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 21, 2006 KDKA CBS 2 http://kdka.com/local/local_story_052103543.html CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -- Good news for amusement park fans in Western=20 Pennsylvania. 3 rides are returning to the financially troubled=20 Conneaut Lake Park in Crawford County. Our news partners at the Pittsburgh Post Gazette report that the park=20 is bringing back the Tempest, the Tumble Bug and the park's trains in=20 time for opening day on Memorial Day. Park officials will hold a meeting tonight on the park's finances and=20 its future. Conneaut Lake Park has been in financial trouble in recent years=20 stemming from debts and lawsuits related to its previous owner. The=20 lawsuits were resolved, but the park still has debts nearing $2.9=20 million. Currently, the park remains under court-ordered supervision. Conneaut Lake Park opened in 1892 and it the 12th oldest theme park=20 in the country. Preservation Pennsylvania added the park to its list of endangered=20 historic places this year. That means the group believes the park is=20 in imminent danger of closing or being sold for development. ---------- =A9 MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:38:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76790 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:38:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:38:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:38:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Panther moved to Busch Gardens Tampa Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IQn29kRpFiewYW1QPIy4fkxBVpffMUvVS9rgS2NJhrydWKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 22, 2006 Associated Press WTSP 10 http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=3D26063 =20 Tampa, FL -- There's a new resident at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay. A 10- y.o. male panther was moved to the amusement park after state=20 wildlife officials captured it in Copeland. They say the panther is=20 responsible for preying on domesticated animals. It's being kept in a pen away from public viewing because it's not=20 accustomed to humans. Officials say Panther 79 will stay at Busch Gardens until a permanent=20 home is found. Options include the Naples Zoo, Lowry Park Zoo in=20 Tampa, Miami Metro Zoo and the Jacksonville Zoo. The panther also is known as Don Juan, because he's believed to have=20 sired about 30 offspring. In 2004, an 8-y.o. male panther was removed from the wild after=20 preying on animals in a petting zoo in southeastern Collier County.=20 That cat was relocated to the White Oak Conservation Center north of=20 Jacksonville. About 80 of the endangered panthers are estimated to be living in the=20 wild. ------- Copywrite 2006 Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58201 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:43:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:43:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:43:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:43:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: No late opening plan at Gulliver's Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pnZeTu04Cwm1Lw8vo_4mpiHJ335Yck_-uxfnYGpUjnnF-n8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 22 February 2006 Bakewell Today http://www.bakewelltoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx? sectionid=3D1202&articleid=3D1361903 Matlock, Derbyshire, UK -- Bosses at the Gulliver's Kingdom amusement=20 park in Matlock Bath have moved to reassure residents over fears they=20 could soon be opening into the night. A number of local people are furious that the attraction could stay=20 open until 8pm every night if district councillors give it a new=20 entertainments licence. But a Gulliver's director has denied any intentions of extended=20 opening, saying the new licence is a formality and is just to cover=20 special seasonal events. Patrick Murphy, of Devonshire Terrace, Matlock Bath, has written to=20 Derbyshire Dales District Council to voice his anger over the=20 proposed licence. In the letter he branded GK "one of the most anti-social businesses=20 in Matlock" and "a sprawling mass of ugliness unrivalled in the=20 valley". Murphy told the Mercury: "I can see it from my house 3/4 of a mile=20 away and hear every beat of 'YMCA', which they are playing=20 constantly. "It's not been so bad recently because they are keeping a=20 low profile so they can squeeze this consent through. If they get=20 consent they will flaunt it from day one." Nick Phillips, a director at GK, said the new licence is necessary=20 because of a change in the law. "Our opening times are staying=20 exactly the same. There are 2 nights a year, Halloween and Bonfire=20 Night, when we run into the evening." He denied that the park would use the licence to open late at other=20 times of the year. A district council spokeswoman said they had received in excess of 30=20 letters about the application. --------- =A9 2006 Johnston Press Digital Publishing From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:47:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91407 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:47:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 20:46:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:46:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iRYqyN5Wi61zmv2kjXSHNxYNLQz0NCjh4neWSYZyzJY_5Qc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 13, 2006 WTOL News 11 http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4495719 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Point amusement park will open for the 2006=20 season in less than 3 months, and the park is adding something new to=20 its bag of tricks that may translate into a boost in attendance. Last year was a challenging one for entertainment businesses,=20 including CP. But this year, CP officials hope to get folks lining up=20 again -- this time for a brand new, thrill-filled attraction. They=20 plan to unveil a new $6 million ride called Skyhawk. It's basically a=20 12-story, 2-arm swing. "Last summer competition for the entertainment=20 dollar was very tough and we want to give our guests a good reason to=20 come back to the park each summer," Robin Innes, CP public relations,=20 said Friday. Construction on the 103'-ride is almost complete. Crews just need to=20 finish wiring the electrical lines and pouring concrete around the=20 base of the ride. CP says Skyhawk will be the world's tallest ride of its kind. ---------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and WTOL From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 12:55:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40370 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 20:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 20:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.194) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:54:59 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o63so1002868nfa for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.244.12 with SMTP id r12mr2046502nfh; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:54:54 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zVU_UR2TlZzi-kqZWZ-nGMXllyZNXKZerjED1cz0yHTu2yqyk2UJpdk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > CP says Skyhawk will be the world's tallest ride of its kind. You've gotta' wonder when Cedar Point is going to stop with the "world's tallest and fastest" marketing crap. It seems to me that they've already dug themselves into a hole, and yet the keep on diggin'... -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Feb 22 13:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59961 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k1ML4ig1032080 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:48 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <496655E9-6BDE-4265-A0D2-4B68096CF568@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:39 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 21:04:44.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4D1AA0:01C637F3] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=BGU6F6RnJ85zYcRcg3hwLo7I9c8thIRkWpt3KAn7hyuOZHSr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Last year was a challenging one for entertainment businesses, Really? It was a warm, dry summer in the Midwest. Even Six Flags admits they had a good year. I wonder if all those people who pull out their pitchforks and torches whenever Six Flags blames bad earnings on crap, will do the same for Cedar Fair?! Don't worry, I won't hold my breath! Cameron -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 15:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60927 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 23:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 23:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 23:30:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 23:30:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 23:30:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:30:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.19.214 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: TR: Expedition Everest and AK part 1 (it's long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=rhJ9OpPcaZgxfrVOB3vB8An7ukIDdo4GXgQu88dkqpGFb5eeupVUJ7I X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > > part 1 of 2, of a huge TR. Sorry so long, but you know how I am. :) >=20 so - I don't suppose you, or anyone else on here happens to know when there may be some "public preview rides" on this in late march do you? I'd love to try it when I go.... From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 18:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88564 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 02:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 02:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 02:34:28 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FC5fi-0000RA-8s for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: <43FD15A0.5090100@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:53:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1a28b7eacf9030133d67e054981bee81fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Expedition Everest and AK part 1 (it's long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=inyJsJ6EOk0J4vbV-3Sy3WcbH6hUuW_FF6gfHpY6VzOZxww X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" > wrote: > > > > part 1 of 2, of a huge TR. Sorry so long, but you know how I am. :) > > > > so - I don't suppose you, or anyone else on here happens to know when > there may be some "public preview rides" on this in late march do you? > I'd love to try it when I go.... > Might have missed my earlier post on that. It's open to the public. They're doing what they call soft openings, meaning it's not "officially" open, they're still testing and tweaking some things, and there are a couple of effects not working yet. But when you're there, it should be open for you. They're just not announcing it as open yet, and haven't had their "grand opening" party for it. They opened it up to everyone else in the park about an hour to 90 minutes after we were done with our shooting on it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Feb 23 05:15:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40205 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 13:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 13:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 13:15:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 13:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 13:14:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:14:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43FD15A0.5090100@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: TR: Expedition Everest and AK part 1 (it's long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=cdvw-QX5av4xLP1HuOMg2I_ihCWJxBmMni9W2JziwBnyadXuYaOoBM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > > daniel_roachus wrote: > Might have missed my earlier post on that. It's open to the public.=20 > They're doing what they call soft openings, meaning it's not=20 > "officially" open, they're still testing and tweaking some things,=20 and=20 > there are a couple of effects not working yet. But when you're=20 there,=20 > it should be open for you. They're just not announcing it as open=20 yet,=20 > and haven't had their "grand opening" party for it. >=20 cool - in 15 days I'll be about half way through my flight over there! Can't wait! From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Feb 23 10:19:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37938 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 18:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 18:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 18:19:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 18:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 18:18:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:18:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.149 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=3-U8gHcH6mtTZ35HlMBERUkVTCygikW1IFW3Z_8Cf4PI3G6iLwo X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I believe that we should expect a boost of the attendance to CP in=20 2006, but not because their newest ride. On one side, Six Flags=20 announces major increases about the entrance price. On the other side,=20 Cedar Point has announced lower prices this season, especially for the=20 family (a junior ticket will be available for 10$ rather than 25$).=20=20 This should have a major impact for Cedar Fair's flagship. Fred From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 13:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31850 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 21:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 21:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 21:30:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2006 21:30:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:30:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-vJhpDBWEqrgi2yUXxb5CZ-xolLjG58XLsa9rAypRtWZegDHhXJc X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred"=20 wrote: > > I believe that we should expect a boost of the attendance to CP in=20 > 2006, but not because their newest ride. On one side, Six Flags=20 > announces major increases about the entrance price. On the other=20 > side,=20 > Cedar Point has announced lower prices this season,=20 > This should have a major impact for Cedar Fair's flagship. How much does Cedar Point compete directly with a Six Flags park? I=20 know they draw crowds from a wide region, but it's about 300 miles to=20 the nearest Six Flags location. There are other locations where Cedar Fair and Six Flags compete more=20 closely--- KBF and SFMM, Dorney Park and SF Great Adventure, maybe=20 Michigan's Adventure and SF Great America, but even that's a pretty=20 substantial drive. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 13:41:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41510 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 21:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 21:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.199) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 21:41:56 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l36so110585nfa for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.33.14 with SMTP id l14mr2502164nfj; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.16 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:41:54 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Point to Introduce New Ride at Park - World's Tallest of its Kind X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Tbju0FNIfNg1ULxW_GmOTqZb34N-dLAKd1jUZ3s24rMau7SLfACYCHI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I believe that we should expect a boost of the attendance to CP in > 2006, but not because their newest ride. On one side, Six Flags > announces major increases about the entrance price. On the other > side, > Cedar Point has announced lower prices this season, > This should have a major impact for Cedar Fair's flagship. Cedar Point might see an attendance boost due to their lower prices, depending on how much they push them, but that won't matter much when their per caps will be so much lower. Attendance can't go up forever, and once attendance stops going up, the way to make more money is by raising prices. Personally, judging by the way CP's attendance has been relatively stable over the past few years, I think it's possible they've reached the limit. In that case, these new lower prices aren't going to help them much at all. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 15:27:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34040 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 23:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 23:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.62) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 23:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9445 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2006 23:27:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060223232702.9443.qmail@web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.160] by web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:27:02 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:27:02 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1140717205.475.33797.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Disney aims for new heights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=tKdf97kpVlaixREtNdkFQSOWpW25vPinUu2XyoIWlFOqNxHX-i8n X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Respect tradition - beware," warn yellowed posters and weathered totem poles surrounding a 200-foot peak. Inside lives the biggest, most fierce creature Walt Disney ever built - and a mile-long runaway train ride through the Himalayas that brings visitors face-to-face with a mythological legend. In Nepalese lore, the mysterious yeti is thought to protect the pristine east Asian mountains and forests. At Walt Disney World's new Expedition Everest attraction, it's a howling animatronic beast with more potential thrust power than a 747 airplane - and the center of the theme park giant's first big-ticket attraction here in two-and-a-half years. Everest, set to open April 7 in Disney's Animal Kingdom, features a train navigating an 80-foot drop, rumbling over bridges and through valleys backward and forward to escape the monster, which has twisted and broken the tracks. With no upside-down turns, Everest isn't as white-knuckling as some new coasters. But it could help Disney draw visitors to the Animal Kingdom, which has long lagged in popularity behind sister parks Epcot, the Magic Kingdom and Disney-MGM Studios. To drum up more publicity for the ride, Disney put on a show Wednesday over New York City's Times Square featuring acrobats and a rock climber performing gravity-defying leaps on ropes from a 157-foot billboard. The Everest attraction, billed as a family thrill ride with a 44-inch height limit, could scarcely be more different than Disney's last big-ticket item, the rocket-simulating Mission: Space. Equipped with vomit bags, the ride uses a centrifuge and recreates two times the force of gravity while taking riders on a simulated trip to Mars. Still, it was adventurous enough for 5-year-old Pauline Cordova, whose Monroe, N.J. family got a chance to check out Everest early as Disney continues testing before the grand opening. Pauline's brothers Chris, 11, and Mike, 8, had already ridden it three times, but once was enough for her. "I thought it was scary," Pauline said, clutching her mother's hand. Several research trips from western China to Nepal informed Disney's design of the 6.2-acre attraction, including their rendition of a Himalayan village called "Serka Zong" that leads visitors up to the ride. "The ride experience changes from this sort of scenic tour to this sort of fast-paced drop backwards," said Mike Lentz, vice president of new business initiatives for Walt Disney imagineering. That includes turns through a light mist meant to simulate weather in the low-lying mountains and scream-inducing rushes through the darkness inside the fake snow-topped mountain that houses the attraction. The village includes a tourism booking office, Tashi's General Store and Bar, and an old warehouse refashioned as a yeti museum - all built with taut attention to the architecture and feel of a real east Asian mountain town. "Every detail is intended to be part of a complete story. It has importance, and we spend a lot of time on these details," Lentz said. "As a guest you stand in that place and you feel like you're in some place really, really different." At least 8,000 props purchased from Nepal adorn the village, along with prayer flags and ancient-looking carvings of goats and yak. Disney is nurturing 900 bamboo plants, 10 species of trees and 110 species of shrub to recreate the local vegetation around the attraction. "You have to imagine this detail exists in a certain way to be passed over by people," said Joe Rohde, executive designer and vice president with Walt Disney Imagineering. "We don't want them to look at a building, and say, 'Oh that's a building,' or look at a rock and say, 'Oh that's a rock.' You go right past it and just accept what it is." It took jets, helicopters and donkeys to deliver Disney's creative team past slippery, narrow roads and to a 1,000-year-old monastery to study the Himalayan culture. The team stayed there three days and interviewed the Rinpoche, known as "the living Buddha," about local beliefs in the yeti. "Our story was really about the culture and the people, the areas where there is human habitation," said Rohde, a member of the expeditions. Disney based its design for the monstrous yeti on golden monkeys in the Qinling mountains - cold-weather primates with blue faces and fiery orange fur. Park researchers were accompanied by Conservation International and film crews from Discovery Networks, whose Travel Channel will premiere a chronicle of the trip called "Expedition Everest: Journey to Sacred Lands" the week of April 9. For Disney's creative team, Everest is an experience - not just a rollicking, mile-long roller coaster ride. Their painstaking attention to detail and authenticity may have been lost on riders like Pauline, and potentially hundreds of thousands of visitors after her. But the real importance is in recreating a realistic environment that transports visitors to another world - whether they realize it or not, Rohde said. "We need enough detail to sustain your attention for 50 years," he said. "We build these things to last multiple generations so people can come back their whole life and enjoy it." --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 05:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71917 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 13:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 13:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 13:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 62845 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 13:36:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060224133641.62843.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.241.135.70] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:36:41 PST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: CP recording X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=vGOC8-38TYY0WCzyakdSPOHJtAu9vYeY6e4XKX_AauIQ4mRIPCSV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really tangential, but I was browsing a pretty hilarious website known as the 365 Project, a DJ's quest to catalogue the worst songs ever recorded. About half-way down this page is a karaoke recording made at Cedar Point. It's actually a bit touching, a father singing to his son. There's a picture of what looks like chunks of the Point's cartoon map, but it might be the CD insert. > http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/01-1.html < Jay --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:53:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26812 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.209.131206e8 (18403) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <209.131206e8.3130e85d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:53:17 EST To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: NEWS: MARK SHAPIRO GOES ON RECORD RE: SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=s0DxZNGF73a854aEpR8z_VfTNZk7eqDDsLNc5nPT_UZyj1WFWpmN X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable M.S.: There's no moratorium. That's a misconception. But we need to=20 diversify. We have 17 roller coasters at Six Flags Magic Mountain--that's = too many.=20 It's become like a drug. This industry has become addicted to roller coast= ers.=20 We put them up. The attendance goes up. If we don=E2=80=99t do something t= he next=20 year, we fall behind. We can't be so reliant on roller coasters. =20 =20 From: _http://themeparks.about.com/od/sixflagsarticles/a/shapiro2006_2.ht= m_=20 (http://themeparks.about.com/od/sixflagsarticles/a/shapiro2006_2.htm)=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I guess we're in for a new era at SFI. I guess MS has struck again, and=20 taken SFI out of the CP v. SFMM war. I agree with him with respect to thi= s=20 aspect. =20 Joe Tampa Bay, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 11:20:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48456 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 19:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2006 19:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 19:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13603 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 19:20:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060225192019.13601.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.233.21] by web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:20:19 PST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1140888353.2973.47846.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Mark Shapiro goes on record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=V3jXuYI--BuqbspnEQ9lg9GWwe3Vsd0ZKc2IbbHpWKFxKPQShagv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But, so much of our focus has been on roller coasters that our eye was off the ball when it came to taking care of the parks and taking care of our guests. < Bingo! We'll see if this strategy pans out, but I'm glad he's at least paying lip service to this fact. I'm not sure that more Fast Lanes fall under the heading of "taking care of our guests." That's more like "taking advantage of our guests." What if SF simply raised their admission prices by ten more dollars but then advertised free parking? They'd still get the money they want, but they'd appear to be more guest-friendly. I liked his comments about regional identities, such as offering clam chowder at Six Flags New England. The more they can lean in that direction, giving their parks individual personalities, the more likely it is that guests will have interesting and memorable experiences at different Six Flags parks. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sat Feb 25 16:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65522 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 00:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 00:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 00:32:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:32:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:32:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:32:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.215.57.138 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: busch gardens - more questions i'm afraid... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=i3Q8RhZjnGVKK4MvGbedFF7PKJyYDy7v_W-SbSykEZE6kvHIJkKL4l0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi - It's that PITA with more questions on busch gardens.... 1 - How long do you need to walk around the "edge of africa" feature? 2 - Can you walk around the serrengetti plain - or are there just the jeep tours? 3 - How long does the new pirates 4d show last - and is it run to a schedule, or just one showing after the other? Thanks.. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sat Feb 25 16:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78357 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 00:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 00:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 00:38:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:38:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:38:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 00:38:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:38:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.215.57.138 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: transportation between WDW orlando parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=XpZvD9Ue8SLFps9S5ylctDJ8am3g736JQ7Rh3Y571bOZTN7EgBpuWrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi - I was after information on disneys between park transportation.. IS there a website for more information on schedules and routes? if not: How long should I allow to get from each of the parks to the transportation centre? How long to get between the magic kingdom and downtown disney? How long will I need to get to the transportation centre from epcot and the magic kingdom after the fireworks on a moderately busy day? Thanks From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Feb 25 18:19:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36199 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 02:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 02:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 02:19:46 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FDBVh-0007XU-KK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <44011045.3050001@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:19:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478ba9fb7525390da1a001dfa679c405fe5dc9cc9bac3bcb6a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] busch gardens - more questions i'm afraid... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=E83EutXJOwjXt1gmacarwLjcC3rTv3Bj8d_2xS7Va_rlV-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > Hi - It's that PITA with more questions on busch gardens.... LOL. Not a problem. > > 1 - How long do you need to walk around the "edge of africa" feature? Depends on how fast you walk, and how much time you want to spend watching the gorillas and chimpanzees on the Myombe Reserve, or the hyenas, hippo, and lions on the Edge of Africa. They're not long walk throughs, and if you don't spend much time looking, you can do them in 10 minutes. If you like to actually see the animals, watch them a bit, and maybe learn something, then plan on a bit more time. :) > > 2 - Can you walk around the serrengetti plain - or are there just the > jeep tours? No walking the Serengetti. Even the zookeepers aren't allowed to do that for the most part because of health reasons, except for a daily cleaning. If you don't want to spend the money on the truck tour, then you can see it from the train, skyride, Crown Colony restaurant, and Rhino Rally- which is how the majority of guests see it. > > 3 - How long does the new pirates 4d show last - and is it run to a > schedule, or just one showing after the other? It's about a 20-30 minute show (sorry, didn't time it). They've been showing it every 40 minutes- essentially one showing after another, though the start times have been posted. Hope that helps. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Feb 25 18:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30585 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 02:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 02:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 02:43:54 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1Q2hqhl008626 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:43:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <065001c63a7e$7e1910a0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:43:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] transportation between WDW orlando parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=myW8phJvjOOMTHyuGrd34SOW90sgxt5CzwfynqCf-4bZhjb5Tlhxx0lpnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Hi - I was after information on disneys between park transportation.. > > IS there a website for more information on schedules and routes? > > if not: > > How long should I allow to get from each of the parks to the > transportation centre? > > How long to get between the magic kingdom and downtown disney? > > How long will I need to get to the transportation centre from epcot > and the magic kingdom after the fireworks on a moderately busy day? To be honest, I don't know if there is a solid answer for this. Things can change day to day and they modify the number of buses on the routes depending on demand. Time of day will also play a big factor. Keep in mind that while they make it easy to get from park to park for the most park, and from any of the hotels to the parks, moving to and from other locations like Downtown Disney and the Waterparks can be much more difficult and even impossible to find a direct route in some locations. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sun Feb 26 03:29:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71924 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 11:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 11:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 11:29:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 11:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 11:28:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:28:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44011045.3050001@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.200.106.166 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: busch gardens - more questions i'm afraid... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=EWxjLWzPXGpa7-aJJJVIwd4n9SfWzP-v2cJMXgHdU9kbqGF68nGahEk X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > daniel_roachus wrote: > > Hi - It's that PITA with more questions on busch gardens.... >=20 > LOL. Not a problem. >=20 > >=20 Thanks - love ya lots!! ;) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 04:50:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 12:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 12:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 12:50:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 12:48:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 12:48:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:48:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.229.51.29 From: "Chris" Subject: QUES: Speaking of Disney... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Rc80u4PiLeLDKvDaN_LDxahhcHto9u5Kx1Wq_n5VfnhMd-5LrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Does anybody know if they do soft openings and passholder previews at=20 the Tokyo Disney Parks. Yeah, I know I live here, but I never heard=20 anything, and maybe someone else did... Thanks! Chris B From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Sun Feb 26 08:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46147 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 16:47:28 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.1f9.1bdf11c1 (57317) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1f9.1bdf11c1.31333556@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:46:14 EST To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: BREAKING NEWS: BOY INJURED ON TRIPLE HURRICANE COASTER (CYPRESS GARDENS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=h75mT73j0xb-Df-z2cUMqlOZex7zun8JjlhDOuJH9o6Z_8UYaNCR X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A boy is recovering after he fell from a wooden roller coaster ride at Cypress Gardens in Winter Haven Saturday. Investigators said the boy wiggled out of the Triple Hurricane Roller Coaster ride restraint and stood up while the ride was moving. A witness said a guest in the seat behind the boy claimed he dared the boy to stand up during the ride. Emergency crews said he's in serious condition at St. Joseph's Children's Hospital in Tampa. The park spokeswoman said the ride did not malfunction and the restraint on the boy's seat was down and locked when the ride came to a stop. The ride is temporarily shut down. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Sun Feb 26 08:49:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43438 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.259.783fb4e (57317) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <259.783fb4e.313335e7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:48:39 EST To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 6319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: BREAKING NEWS: BOY INJURED ON TRIPLE HURRICANE COASTER (CYPRESS GARDENS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=C6hfrThKefHzQ6AqD9f6vXV1bxPIT2l6f6DYV1uwXEGb1aC3A78Q X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Article is courtesy of _http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/2/26/145909.html_ (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/2/26/145909.html) A boy is recovering after he fell from a wooden roller coaster ride at Cypress Gardens in Winter Haven Saturday. Investigators said the boy wiggled out of the Triple Hurricane Roller Coaster ride restraint and stood up while the ride was moving. A witness said a guest in the seat behind the boy claimed he dared the boy to stand up during the ride. Emergency crews said he's in serious condition at St. Joseph's Children's Hospital in Tampa. The park spokeswoman said the ride did not malfunction and the restraint on the boy's seat was down and locked when the ride came to a stop. The ride is temporarily shut down. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 14:30:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76021 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 22:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 22:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 22:30:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 22:30:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 22:30:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 22:30:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:30:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.143.24.154 From: "Matt" Subject: Florida Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=kh3rGai58VJKRnp-mkrqMcFHWOtNui9_YAUl2K-W4nxhQdoePjT4bEU X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I just got back from Orlando and had a blast! It was a family trip=20 with me, my fiance, and my 3 yr old daughter. We made it to Magic=20 Kindgom and Sea World and the rest of the time we relaxed at the=20 hotel pool. Magic Kingdom was packed! I could not believe how many=20 people were there considering it's February which made it tough with=20 my daughter who has no concept of waiting in line! Unfortunately we=20 didn't ride a ton of rides. In fact we rode the tea cups twice, the=20 Barnstormer twice, Cinderella's carousel, and Pirates of the=20 Caribbean. Barnstormer was my daughter's first coaster and she=20 loved it! She held her hands up high and was giggling the whole=20 time so I'm pretty sure I've got a new coaster riding buddy which is=20 great! The tea cups were a blast as well and I'm usually not one=20 for spinning rides but that one is #1 to me for spinning rides. My=20 daughter loved getting autographs too and it was really fun watching=20 her get the autographs and her picture with so many Disney=20 characters. I could not believe how many shops there are at=20 Disney. In fact I think they have to many in my opinion. My final=20 rating for Magic Kingdom would have to be an 8 but I think if the=20 park wasn't so busy I would rate it higher.=20=20 Sea World on the other hand I would give a 10. We had a lot of fun=20 at all the aquariums and exhibits and the park was laid out nicely=20 and very clean. We got to feed dolphins which was really cool and=20 the Shamu show was probably my favorite and I know my daughter and=20 fiance really enjoyed it as well. I also got to ride Kraken which=20 was awesome. I would give Kraken a 9. I love the smoothness of the=20 ride and all the inversions and subterranean dives were awesome!! I=20 wish I could have rode it a few more times as the lines were like 2=20 minutes long but I didn't get to. I would definetly recommend Sea=20 World for anyone with kids and I would love to go back to Sea World=20 if I get the chance to go to Orlando again.=20=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Feb 27 03:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41256 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 11:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 11:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 11:34:19 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FDgdp-0001l3-Lf for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4402E3BC.5000803@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1f9.1bdf11c1.31333556@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1f9.1bdf11c1.31333556@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6beb191e802641a13741697ec08ba16a4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BREAKING NEWS: BOY INJURED ON TRIPLE HURRICANE COASTER (CYPRESS GARDENS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=mY0WQcBKPuMIHTQpO4Ae1kZug4o6U84i29-RZ_xGyMlbNI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder7nyfl@aol.com wrote: > A boy is recovering after he fell from a wooden roller coaster ride at > Cypress Gardens in Winter Haven Saturday. > Just wanted to give an update based on what I've heard on the local news. The boy is still in the hospital, but things are starting to look good for him. The 13 year old fell off after getting out of the buzz bar and standing up on the coaster. Very simply, if he had been sitting, this never would have happened, as there aren't enough forces on the ride to throw you out unless you're doing something stupid- like this kid unfortunately was. The ride has been reopened already. My hope is that this won't reflect badly on the park, which doesn't deserve, nor need, this kind of attention. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 13:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50096 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 21:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 21:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 21:32:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:31:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:31:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:31:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:31:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: US$500,000 will get Coconut Park ready for World Cup Cricket crowds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4ipfWfamhCIsQjYBf_dV0SWsixyfpeUI12c1sNHFbzdnmAU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2006 Jamaica Observer http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20060226T200000- 0500_99572_OBS__US_________WILL_GET_COCONUT_PARK_READY_FOR_WORLD_CUP_C RICKET_CROWDS_.asp By T K WHYTE St Andrew, Jamaica -- The Jamaica Association on Mental Retardation=20 (JAMR) has secured a 48-year lease on the former Coconut Park=20 amusement complex situated on the 300-acre Hope Gardens Estate, St=20 Andrew and is turning to the private sector to raise US$500,000 to=20 transform the amusement ruins into a state-of-the-art entertainment=20 centre. JAMR believes that if the park, which was closed in June 1997, is up=20 and running by year-end, it will be in a position to take advantage=20 of the economic benefits from the thousands of visitors expected in=20 Jamaica for the 2007 World Cup Cricket tournament. "A nice well- equipped, state-of-the-art amusement centre of the type we have=20 planned to develop will cost in excess of US$500,000 to get the=20 minimum basic infrastructure to develop the park to its former=20 glory... and we can't find the money, so we need help," JAMR=20 president John Thompson told the Observer. JAMR leased the 2 1/2 acre Coconut Park for $3,000 annually from=20 Nature Preservation Foundation, a government entity created for the=20 development of Hope Estates and of which Thompson, an attorney-at- law, is also head. He also chairs Fair Share Ltd, a company formed by=20 JAMR to manage its affairs. Explaining that during the lease negotiations, he excused himself=20 from meetings to avoid a conflict of interest, Thompson said JAMR=20 would be inviting interested investors to submit proposals to manage=20 and operate the centre and pay Fair Share a commission. "We are=20 taking steps to identify private sector investors for its development=20 on a percentage basis, ultimately it will be a profit-sharing=20 exercise and we hope to close proposals by the end of February...It=20 is urgent that we move apace to have the development done right away=20 as it is included in the attractions for Cricket World Cup 2007." Coconut Park, once a popular haven for fun-seeking families was=20 established in 1960 by Fair Share Limited - a company comprised of=20 the charity organisations, such as the Polio Foundation and Jamaica=20 Association for Persons with Mental Retardation. It was established=20 under the combined efforts of the late Sir John Golding, Paul Levy=20 and Sammy Henriques. The trio, who had ties to those charities, decided to set up a=20 permanent park based on the success of seasonal events. The park was=20 a hit with the public seeking a wholesome and pleasurable atmosphere,=20 where children could be taken. Many still reminisce about its famous=20 bumper cars, roller coaster ride and merry-go-round with horses and=20 western style fire engine, which were among the popular attractions. In 1993, government turned down an application by Fair Share to=20 improve the park, saying it had its own plans to upgrade the 300-acre=20 Hope Estates. Fair Share then decided to surrender the lease. -------- =A9 2000-2001 Jamaica Observer From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 13:34:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66350 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 21:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 21:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 21:34:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:34:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:34:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Int'l standard amusement park in Rajshahi soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n66NnQpGfQ057K0gkuOy_M4tTI8Yk_UhfpXceaXvDh035OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/25/2006 Financial Express http://www.financialexpress-bd.com/index3.asp? cnd=3D2/25/2006§ion_id=3D3&newsid=3D16792&spcl=3Dno RAJSHAHI, Bangladesh -- An international-standard amusement park,=20 furnished with a number of most modern riders and game-plays, will be=20 formally opened shortly on the northern outskirts of the city. Prime Minister Khaleda Zia is expected to inaugurate shortly the=20 Shaheed Ziaur Rahman Children Park, set up in Baro Banogram area,=20 competent sources here said. Under the supervision of Rajshahi City Corporation (RCC), 2 private=20 companies -- Domestic Electric Technological Success Dates and Usha=20 Engineering Consortium -- have jointly built the park at a cost of Tk=20 100 million. A total of 70 games under 19 items have been installed in the park,=20 which include monorail and various riders. Entry fee has been fixed=20 at Tk 15 for access to the park which will remain open from 10.00am=20 to 8.00pm. -------- @ financialexpress.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 13:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60851 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:37:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:37:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park in E. China closed down for promising extravagant prizes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LJmK0Mzs_4qCcukwLYanwT6-kZQdLfgnDd32fZSZqbhLVmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 23, 2006 Angola Press http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=3D419518 FUZHOU, Fujian Province, China -- A traveling amusement park was=20 closed down in Fuzhou, capital of East China`s Fujian Province, for=20 promising extravagant prizes for visitors and operating without a=20 license. The amusement park, named Happy Carnival, began operation late last=20 month without a business license or public health, public security=20 and environmental protection permits, said Chen Zhanghua, an official=20 with the city`s administration of industry and commerce. Meanwhile, it promised a top prize of a 300,000-yuan (37,500 U.S.=20 dollars) apartment and other expensive prizes to attract more=20 visitors, contradicting the Anti-Unfair Competition Law, which only=20 allows a prize of up to 5,000 yuan (625 dollars) for consumers, Chen=20 said. "The existence of so-called prizes is in doubt. The park did=20 not even give details on how a visitor can win and receive prizes. It=20 was dishonest conduct," said Chen. --------- =A9 1996-2003 Angop From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 13:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8839 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 21:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 21:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 21:46:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2006 21:45:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:45:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney stock up on acquisition speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gdqnA0CEDJWzjI2P1KfJPS6rBfgRnbhhu1hphld7DbyzXpA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2006 Orlando Business Journal Yahoo! Business http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060227/1233764.html?.v=3D2 Burbank, CA -- Stock in The Walt Disney Co. ended up higher on Monday=20 following a report by Barron's on Saturday that Apple Computer Inc.=20 could make a bid to buy it. Shares in the Burbank, Calif.-based Disney, were up about 17 cents to=20 $28.15, or 0.61%, in early morning trading. By early afternoon,=20 shares had risen again to $28.35. The shares closed at $28.39. Shares in Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple, meanwhile, were down 38=20 cents to $71.08, or 0.53%, in early morning trading, but rose by=20 early afternoon to $71.51. The shares closed at $70.99. Apple CEO Steve Jobs, who is also the CEO of computer animation=20 business , sits on Disney's board as its largest individual=20 shareholder. "I think he has an open option," Barron's quoted analyst=20 Christopher Whalen, a New York-based managing director of=20 Institutional Risk Analytics. "Disney is badly undervalued right now.=20 Jobs might get an opportunity to take it out." The Walt Disney Co. operates Walt Disney Parks & Resorts, which=20 includes the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Animal Kingdom and Disney-MGM=20 Studios theme parks in Orlando; owns ABC television network, 10=20 broadcast stations and more than 60 radio stations; and produces=20 films through Walt Disney Studios. -------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 American City Business Journals Inc. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Feb 27 14:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83656 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 22:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 22:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.194) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 22:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3425 invoked by uid 0); 27 Feb 2006 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 22:46:20 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FDr8G-0000vV-LO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:46:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:52:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com,mike@donkeyentertainment.com,mikef@donkeyentertainment.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney stock up on acquisition speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=8mm0vl49hdSwE2S5qeA2WChG2d1ZGbPW0W0RHLjkqowYv3yDrxYs X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Apple CEO Steve Jobs, who is also the CEO of computer animation > business , sits on Disney's board as its largest individual > shareholder. "I think he has an open option," Barron's quoted analyst > Christopher Whalen, a New York-based managing director of > Institutional Risk Analytics. "Disney is badly undervalued right now. > Jobs might get an opportunity to take it out." I'd be pretty surprised if this happens. Apple isn't a huge company, at least compared to Disney... I doubt Jobs would want to change that. Course, Apple is having an event tomorrow in which they'll release some 'fun new products'. Haha, maybe there will be a one more thing... yeah, we uhh... bought Disney. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 07:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30646 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 15:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 15:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 15:25:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 15:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 15:24:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:24:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park owner stresses ride safety X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qfOFskxbxVgivaTkFb6GfWAT-Dzxn3VFpouu26qw70IXa3g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2006 WALB News 10 http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4558534 Cypress Gardens, FL -- More than one million guests visit Wild=20 Adventures and Cypress Gardens each year, and in his 10 years of=20 operating amusement parks, Kent Buescher has never had to deal with a=20 serious accident. That all changed Saturday night. "We had a young man who was dared to=20 see if he could stand up on a ride," said Buescher. The teenage boy fell about 12' from the Triple Hurricane Coaster, and=20 was airlifted to a Tampa hospital where he's in intensive care. His=20 lap restraint was still locked when the ride came to a stop and a=20 state ride inspector cleared the park of any fault. "Our goal is to=20 make sure that every time these rides go up, they're 100% safe," said=20 Buescher. To guarantee that, the rides go through extensive safety inspections=20 on a daily basis before they're ever allowed to go into operation.=20 That even applies to rides as small as the carousel. And on a yearly basis, the rides are completely dissected to look for=20 any signs of wear and tear. "Every single ride comes totally apart, I=20 mean break it down to every nut, bolt, and screw, and every wearable=20 part is replaced," said Buescher. Even with all the safety inspections the rides here at WA and CG go=20 through, park officials say no ride is completely safe if guests=20 don't follow the rules. "Its very simple if they'll just make sure=20 they're always seated properly in the ride and the lap restraint is=20 in place," said Buescher. That extra caution combined with the park's tedious safety procedures=20 will help prevent another tragedy. ---------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and WALB From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 09:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72054 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 17:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 17:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 17:23:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:23:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:23:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:23:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Venue Solutions chosen as partner for amusement parks video systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lSosCnqYKCNOe8dJLlrWMzwHGF4cVitBgp193wSvNfAis1A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2006-02-23 AFX UK Focus Interactive Investor http://www.iii.co.uk/news/? type=3Dafxnews&articleid=3D5561822&subject=3Dcompanies&action=3Darticle LONDON, UK -- Venue Solutions Holdings PLC said it has been chosen by=20 YourDay Video Technologies Inc. as an exclusive technology partner=20 for installing computer-controlled, park-wide, video-capture system=20 to major amusement parks and resort locations across Europe. The first phase of the partnership, over 3 months, involves Venue=20 Solutions delivering a complete system architecture, with a contract=20 value of 70,000. Further financial details were not disclosed. The systems to be installed will involve cameras being strategically=20 placed along the paths of rides and at prime photo-opportunity=20 locations. The cameras will be used to track and video park visitors=20 while they experience the park's attractions. --------- Copyright AFX News Limited 2005 Interactive Investor Trading Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 09:34:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12732 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 17:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 17:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 17:34:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fun Forest seeing sad times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RNSda4xPVs7Xw7EzCxo62Jh4dWs18D6H-l-rfonuBogQu_c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 26, 2006 Seattle Times http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002829543_funforest26 m.html?syndication=3Drss By Bob Young Seattle, WA -- It's not all fun and games at Seattle Center's Fun=20 Forest these days. A remnant of the 1962 World's Fair, FF has lost business, fallen=20 behind on rent. Its future "is very much in doubt" unless the city=20 renegotiates its lease, said owner Stella Aubin in a recent letter to=20 the City Council. "We've been here a long time. We've invested a lot=20 of money, and we'd like to stay here, but we need to make a profit,"=20 said Steve Robertson, Aubin's son-in-law and general manager of the=20 FF. City officials say they want to see recommendations from a Seattle=20 Center task force appointed by Mayor Greg Nickels before discussing=20 FF's fate. But officials do not sound sympathetic. "Frankly, the downward trend=20 of their industry is not something I control," said Seattle Center=20 Director Virginia Anderson, noting that the company's lease, which=20 runs through 2014, was the result of "hard negotiations" by both=20 sides. Deputy Mayor Tim Ceis said the amusements, which occupy almost 2=20 acres at Seattle Center, appear old-fashioned. "FF sits on pretty=20 prime real estate in Seattle Center. But it's not been one of the=20 prime attractions. I don't think they've kept up with the market. The=20 rides don't seem too exciting," Ceis said. The city can terminate its lease with FF for failure to pay rent and=20 force the company to remove all its property. But city officials have=20 not suggested taking such steps yet. Robertson and Aubin argue that they've invested $8 million in a new=20 arcade and other improvements since they renewed their lease in 1996.=20 But sales have been less than expected, causing the company to lay=20 off employees, freeze salaries and fall behind in rent payments by=20 $191,334, according to Robertson. "We're not a major theme park. We=20 never will be," said Robertson, adding that FF aims mainly to serve=20 families who want to "jump on the merry-go-round before visiting the=20 Children's Museum." Under a gray sky Saturday afternoon, dozens of adults and children=20 seemed to enjoy the rides at the base of the Space Needle. Holly & Shaun Lackey and their 3 children were visiting from Astoria,=20 Or. "It's perfect for the younger ones," said Shaun Lackey, as his=20 son Shaun, 5, and daughter Tessa, 2, waved from Snow Convoy cars=20 circling a small track. Dibiasi, 31, a rap artist visiting from North Carolina, found FF's=20 bumper cars and Ferris wheel charming. "It looks like an old Southern=20 town carnival. I don't see how anyone can complain." Robertson said he's not sure why the company's sales have dropped=20 almost 20%, from $5 million in 1996 to $4.1 million last year. He=20 blames some of the dip on a regional recession and the 9/11 terrorist=20 attacks. But the city has also played a part, he said. 2 monorail accidents=20 and extended closures have hurt FF, he said, and the city scaled back=20 the amusement park's hours during the Bite of Seattle festival. FF appealed to the City Council for help in a letter earlier this=20 month. The company asked for a reduction in its rent, which was=20 $693,822 last year. It also wants the city to waive past-due rent. FF employs 127 people =97 many of them teenagers =97 during peak season,=20 said Robertson, who has worked at the amusement park for 38 years.=20 The company also offers free rides to disabled children and provides=20 discounts to school groups and military members, he said. An outdated concept? The FF request comes at a time when another long-standing Seattle=20 Center tenant, the Sonics, have asked for a $200 million subsidy to=20 expand KeyArena. Team officials have also said they would like a more=20 favorable lease when their current one expires in 2010. Robertson said he has seen no signs the city wants to redevelop the=20 FF space for another use. But King County Executive Ron Sims did=20 write a recent opinion column for The Seattle Times in which he said=20 FF was unappealing to teenagers and called for a dramatic makeover of=20 Seattle Center. Seattle City Councilman David Della, whose committee oversees the 74- acre city-owned campus, said he wants to follow through on a long- planned review of the center's financial stability before taking a=20 position on FF's request. "My guess is it's outdated," Della said of=20 the amusement park's financial problems. "Whether we extend this=20 lease or redefine that space, I don't know yet." ---------- =A9 2006 The Seattle Times Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 09:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74385 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 17:43:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:41:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:41:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland to add three attractions as part of expansion plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0K_whFA9JmZhaWWmJ4JiXsLueD0Qg1Uv7gSO7wNNrAQBglI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2006 Associated Press Canadian Press http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=3D8dd38852- 5d37-4a94-a170-cfe96cb2dd49&k=3D14627 Lantau Island, Hong Kong, China -- Hong Kong Disneyland announced=20 Monday that it planned to add 3 new attractions to the theme park as=20 part of its expansion plan. The additions are the Autopia electric car ride, the Stitch=20 Encounter, a theatre show, and the UFO Zone - made up of a water- squirting robot, rocket ship and flying saucer, said HKDL spokeswoman=20 Esther Wong. The 3 games - located in the Tomorrowland section of the=20 park - will be open to the public this summer, Wong said. She declined to say how much was being spent to construct the 3=20 attractions. Wong said the HK government is expected to finish reclaiming land by=20 2008 for the construction of the 2nd phase of the park. At 126 hectares HKDL, opened in September, is the smallest Disney=20 park in the world, but Bill Ernest, the park's managing director,=20 said the company is "reviewing expansion plans for the park." "This is a long-term improvement measure designed to do 2 things:=20 increase capacity by a steady program of expansion and enhance the=20 guest experience with thrilling new attractions and features," Ernest=20 told HK legislators during a legislative session. In response to admission problems that erupted during the Chinese New=20 Year when the park was overwhelmed, Ernest said they planned to=20 improve logistical measures for times when the company needs to=20 restrict access to the park. Hundreds of angry visitors from mainland China and Taiwan tried to=20 force their way into the park - with some clambering over its iron=20 fence - during the Chinese New Year after they were denied entry=20 because it was full. The park is a joint venture between The Walt Disney Co. and the HK=20 government, which shouldered the bulk of its construction fee. --------- =A9 The Canadian Press 2006 =A9 2006 CanWest Interactive From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 09:51:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12874 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 17:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 17:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 17:51:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:51:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 17:51:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:51:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Mogul ponders Graceland theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=viKuuorQChqcw0R_TCgeXbpyrNHmR1NfXpWELMpMCIK_bWc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 25, 2006 Yahoo! 7 News http://au.news.yahoo.com/060224/2/y1as.html Memphis, TN -- The billionaire media mogul who holds an 85% stake in=20 Elvis Presley Enterprises says he wants to turn Graceland into an=20 international tourist attraction on par with the Disney or Universal=20 theme parks. Meeting with city and business officials Thursday, Robert FX=20 Sillerman said he has plans to spruce up the area around the Memphis=20 mansion where Presley died in 1977 and double the 600,000 annual=20 visitors. "As we are upon the 50th anniversary of Elvis Presley's=20 explosion into our culture, it is only fitting that GL assumes an=20 even more prominent role in American culture and tourism," Sillerman=20 said. Presley got his first gold record and made his first network TV=20 appearances 50 years ago, culminating in his performance on Ed=20 Sullivan's top-rated variety show in September 1956. Sillerman, who also owns the hit TV show American Idol, paid $US114=20 million for his share of EPE last year and made it part of his=20 publicly traded company CKX Inc. Under EPE's management of tourism=20 and licensing, Presley earned $US45 million last year and topped=20 Forbes magazine's list of top-earning dead celebrities. Sillerman's goal is to enhance the "total fan experience" at GL to=20 compel visitors to spend more time and money there. The company is working with Orlando-based Bob Weis Design Island=20 Associates to improve the tourist area around GL while keeping intact=20 the historic home owned by the singer's daughter, Lisa Marie=20 Presley. "We do know that the area that GL sits in is not the most=20 attractive area," he said. "We know that that needs enhancement, if=20 you will. Beyond that, the plans aren't specifically developed enough=20 to know what that partnership form is going to take. "But we do know that this is not something that EPE and the Elvis=20 Presley family can undertake by themselves." Sillerman, who has been speaking with investors and developers, said=20 he will ask local governments to help improve some of the public=20 spaces around GL. He said he wants to expand the visitor centre and exhibit space to=20 showcase thousands of pieces of Elvis memorabilia that have never=20 been seen. There's also the possibility of a new hotel or an expansion to the=20 existing Heartbreak Hotel near GL. -------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Australia & NZ Pty Limited =A9 AAP From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 10:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96609 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 18:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 18:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 18:01:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 18:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 18:00:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2006 18:00:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:00:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Ideas for Six Flags - Thrills, Chills and Corporate Shills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-eQuaPeC7ZXEK2rBQnnl2WG-X92Vboa-lHBwSRbQg5bMIoY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2006 The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/02/27/AR2006022700716.html?nav=3Drss_business by Frank Ahrens On his first tour of Six Flags theme park in Largo last week, new 6F=20 Inc. CEO Mark Shapiro said he would boost attendance (and revenue) by=20 adding a daily parade and new cartoon characters strolling the park.=20 He also plans to court corporate sponsorship of park attractions.=20 Noticeably lacking in his plans, aside from employee raises, are cool=20 new gazillion-dollar rides or other costly capital improvements. Shapiro's compensation package is partially tied to 6F's stock=20 performance - he gets more if the share value rises - and Wall Street=20 loves the sort of low-cost revenue growth he is attempting. With that in mind, here are some ideas on how Shapiro and his boss,=20 Washington Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, can spruce up 6F on the=20 cheap with some savvy corporate deals and cooperation from other=20 properties in the growing Snyder empire, which also includes FedEx=20 Field and a nascent radio chain: =B7 The FedEx Kinko's Surplus Bubble-Wrap Room, where younger kids sit=20 and pop bubbles to their hearts' delight. Meanwhile, their older=20 siblings learn about the fascinating world of shipping in Mr. FedEx=20 Kinko's Wild Package Ride , where each kid is given a tracking number=20 and is boxed and trucked around the park, guaranteed to be returned=20 to their parents by 10 a.m. the next morning. (Breathing holes=20 included.) =B7 At Wrestle a Retired Redskin for Lunch, you get 2 minutes in a ring=20 with the likes of Dexter Manley, John Riggins and Joe Jacoby. Loser=20 has to buy lunch, even if they dislocate a shoulder or burst a=20 spleen. (6F Inc. not liable for injuries.) =B7 Check out the Junior Accountant Ride! Kids are given a copy of the=20 park budget and put on a roller coaster. They can't get off until=20 they identify $2 million in potential cuts. =B7 At the Career Pavilion, kids can learn what it's like to make pizza=20 and cotton candy, pick up litter, sell souvenirs and perform ride=20 maintenance - for a whole day! Snyder lends his expertise from an=20 earlier business at the Kids' Kall Center , where children get a=20 cubicle, a phone and a list of cold-call numbers. =B7 Snyder made a bundle in advertising. Accordingly, the Trademark=20 Temporary Tattoo Parlor lets kids model corporate logos, such as the=20 Nike swoosh. (For legal purposes, "temporary" is defined as a period=20 of not less than 180 days.) -------- Copyright 1996-2006 The Washington Post Company From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Feb 28 10:49:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73618 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 18:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 18:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 18:49:40 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e30so933585pya for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.103.5 with SMTP id f5mr1365505qbm; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.121.15 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:49:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30602281049o175d992cma1de353a9ed95e77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:49:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Mogul ponders Graceland theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=D0mjJyrCsr9bulUgFvs1Vc8ceJdvYclG-OfMUpvD9xAlFls0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 2/28/06, Alan wrote: > February 25, 2006 > Yahoo! 7 News > http://au.news.yahoo.com/060224/2/y1as.html > > > Memphis, TN -- The billionaire media mogul who holds an 85% stake in > Elvis Presley Enterprises says he wants to turn Graceland into an > international tourist attraction on par with the Disney or Universal > theme parks. So... can we get him to buy Libertyland? From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 15:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33268 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 23:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 23:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 23:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 60727 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 23:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060228230241.60725.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:02:41 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:02:41 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Fwd: Hello from PKD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=atAS73512f0Ei93GTYD_LFlM6oU2j7mmrZu8YrjzPsAjcNeo X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 A little tidbit... --- "Storey, Susan" wrote: > Subject: Hello from PKD > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:42:34 -0500 > From: "Storey, Susan" > > > Hello Coaster Enthusiast: > > The countdown to Paramount's Kings Dominion's 2006 > Opening Day is on! > April 1 is not too far away - and after this > morning's dusting of snow - > no one is more ready for spring's coaster-riding > weather than I! > > > > Many of you have seen that we post construction > updates of the Italian > Job Turbo Coaster each week on our Media Center - > and today we have > added photos of the ride cars from the Premier Rides > warehouse. If you > haven't seen them yet, click here: > http://www1.paramountparks.com/kingsdominion/News/photo_gallery.cfm?item > _id=305 > > > > We're gearing up for some FUN enthusiast events this > year. Already > ready on the books we have two events in the works: > > > > Saturday, April 8 - Volcano Mania with the Coaster > Zombies. To learn > more, and to sign up, contact, Sam Marks at > SteelForce@aol.com > > > > Sunday, October 8 - ACE Regional Event. Still in > the early planning > stages - but mark you calendars now and let > Elizabeth Ringas know you'll > be there by emailing her at: eringas@yahoo.com > > > > Also - mark you calendar for Media Day on Thursday, > May 18. We will > need enthusiasts who wish to join us early in the > morning to ride IJTC > to their hearts' content. If you are interested, > please email the PR > department at PKDMedia@paramountparks.com - or > Elizabeth Ringas. We > will then throw everyone's email into a hat and pick > a lucky group to > join us for this private, invitation-only event. > > > > We've had a few changes here in the PR department > recently. Sarah > Lovejoy, who many of you worked with, has moved on > to a new position. > For this season, we have a new coordinator, Dani > Swords, who will help > with all things Enthusiast Community. We are both > looking forward to a > great season - hope to see all of you out here many, > many times! (Don't > forget to purchase your PKD Season Pass - it's the > BEST way to guarantee > you'll be able to get in all of the coaster riding > you want!) > > > > Have a great day! > > > > Susie Storey > > Public Relations Manager > > Paramount's Kings Dominion > > Media Center: www.KingsDominion.com/News > > Speeding into 2006: THE ITALIAN JOB TURBO COASTER! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 15:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47492 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 23:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 23:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 23:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 60963 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 23:03:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060228230321.60961.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:21 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:03:21 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Fwd: They're Heee-re: The Italian Job Turbo Coaster MINIS have arrived X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=mQQ9BhzqoJwO2b0m6Y3h-_ZiQZdn43-vk6YIcYAjlPs3QYv0 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 An update... --- "Storey, Susan" wrote: > Subject: They're Heee-re: The Italian Job Turbo > Coaster MINIS have arrived > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:10:17 -0500 > From: "Storey, Susan" > > > DOSWELL, VA - Paramount's Kings Dominion newest > speedsters - the Italian > Job Turbo Coaster MINI Coopers - have arrived. In > the coming months, > the cars will be seen taking their first spin around > the ITALIAN JOB > TURBO COASTER track, getting ready for the new > attraction's grand > opening this spring. Each MINI seems to have a > personality all its own > and park guests will soon have the opportunity to > decide which is their > favorite. Speedy red, slick white and dashing blue > - this season, > Paramount's Kings Dominion invites everyone to pick > their favorite MINI > and ride to their hearts content. > > > > Additional images from the MINIs' arrival can be > found online at: > http://www1.paramountparks.com/kingsdominion/news/photo_gallery.cfm?item > _id=312 > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan L. Storey, APR > > Public Relations Manager > > Paramount's Kings Dominion > > O: 804-876-5335 > > C: 804-994-3481 > > E: susan.storey@paramountparks.com > > > > > Media Center: www.KingsDominion.com/News > > > Speeding into 2006: THE ITALIAN JOB TURBO COASTER! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 15:04:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77858 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 23:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2006 23:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 23:04:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 73180 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 23:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060228230440.73178.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:04:40 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:04:40 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Venue Solutions chosen as partner for amusement parks video systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=YlN-E719nZkcmxXy1UbwjfH3sC07V2b9c-jOS9f4iCTu_VvV X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > The systems to be installed will involve cameras > being strategically > placed along the paths of rides and at prime > photo-opportunity > locations. The cameras will be used to track and > video park visitors > while they experience the park's attractions. Not suprising. I've heard that in downtown London there is a camera about every 5 meters or so. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 28 20:31:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83708 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 04:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 04:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.170) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 04:31:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 63434 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2006 04:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060301043107.63432.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.64.253.248] by web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:07 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:31:07 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060228230440.73178.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cornell Spradling Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Venue Solutions chosen as partner for amusement parks video systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=SRnB1RvSllix3FA6YY3gZZ3GabalGetTAxlx09zJiHMaR4ZGdJEsH0jSvpaIvw4 X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to mention all the cameras in space that can pinpoint the color of your eyes, scary huh. Jeremy Norris wrote: --- Alan wrote: > The systems to be installed will involve cameras > being strategically > placed along the paths of rides and at prime > photo-opportunity > locations. The cameras will be used to track and > video park visitors > while they experience the park's attractions. Not suprising. I've heard that in downtown London there is a camera about every 5 meters or so. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Cornell Spradling mskr63@sbcglobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 23:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87952 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 07:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2006 07:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 07:46:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2006 07:45:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2006 07:45:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:45:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.145.42 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Fun Forest seeing sad times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=gGDnWf7U9skscmQh9tl_K0RfnN_i0DhKakA8v_mapZfV0nmBrgbJ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Under a gray sky Saturday afternoon, dozens of adults and children=20 > seemed to enjoy the rides at the base of the Space Needle. Dozens! Well, you can't argue with crowds like that. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 03:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38025 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 11:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 11:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 11:51:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 11:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 11:51:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 11:51:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:51:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.126.210 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Ideas for Six Flags - Thrills, Chills and Corporate Shills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2qlHIoq2ujR02bzzPwUc4WTILv1ipaw2957cQY7a6FxODd3cgg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Weird, this reads like a Motley Fool piece. I guess everyone enjoys taking potshots at 6F and Mark Shapiro! Chris B Working up a TR from this past weekend: Harmonyland, Kijima Amusement Park, Mitsui Greenland, Kodomo No Kuni and Miyazaki City Phoenix Zoo --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > February 27, 2006 > The Washington Post > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- > dyn/content/article/2006/02/27/AR2006022700716.html?nav=3Drss_business > by Frank Ahrens >=20 >=20 > On his first tour of Six Flags theme park in Largo last week, new 6F=20 > Inc. CEO Mark Shapiro said he would boost attendance (and revenue) by=20 > adding a daily parade and new cartoon characters strolling the park.=20 > He also plans to court corporate sponsorship of park attractions.=20 > Noticeably lacking in his plans, aside from employee raises, are cool=20 > new gazillion-dollar rides or other costly capital improvements. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 09:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89514 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 17:41:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 17:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 17:41:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:41:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Survivor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=L2BuVxyJy8FNMYySjpQwXZG063jO-Do4K9rGMoHWWdJPAPo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Have any of you seen the rendering for Survivor: The Ride, and PGA? http://multimedia.pgathrills.com/images/news/Rendering41_mc3.jpg It looks like an expanded version of Disco http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/disko.html -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 09:45:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64894 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 17:45:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 17:45:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:45:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060228230440.73178.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Venue Solutions chosen as partner for amusement parks video systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Q5lr4odKAAjfH6G1xVul92kxGlSHnAWjUy-BIq-rOOthTJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris =20 wrote: > > The systems to be installed will involve cameras > > being strategically=20 > > placed along the paths of rides and at prime > > photo-opportunity=20 > > locations. The cameras will be used to track and > > video park visitors=20 > > while they experience the park's attractions. >=20 > Not suprising. I've heard that in downtown London > there is a camera about every 5 meters or so. > lata, jeremy These cameras in London are also connected to a Database that has face- recognition software. London Police are using it for their "Wanted"=20 list. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 10:46:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29694 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 18:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 18:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 18:46:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 18:46:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:46:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Amusement Park extends hours for season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HkVWiA1AHGt9xVrfNtJHfS2S_tXHk2aRmOoMqs1VllNlzIE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 01, 2006 The Sun News Myrtle Beach Online http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/entertainment/1 3987687.htm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dmyrtlebeachonline_entertainment Myrtle Beach, SC -- Fun World Family Amusement Park, featuring=20 miniature golf, a skate park, kiddie rides, and go-carts, is=20 extending its hours beginning today. The new park is now open at 10=20 a.m. -10 p.m. daily for the 2006 season. Fun World When | 10 a.m.-10 p.m. daily. Where | Fun World Family Amusement Park 700 Seventh Ave. S., North=20 Myrtle Beach How much | Prices vary; miniature golf $5-$10; skate park $8-$12; go- carts $5-$6. 361-9845 ---------- 2006 Knight Ridder From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Mar 02 11:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99046 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 19:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2006 19:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 19:08:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 19:08:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2006 19:08:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:08:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: Survivor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=rMxjYsb9DPKFgkadgDh__Cs5QJsoB_lME3XBhCMbFMvWWsGf7i5m X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Have any of you seen the rendering for Survivor: The Ride, and PGA? > http://multimedia.pgathrills.com/images/news/Rendering41_mc3.jpg >=20 > It looks like an expanded version of Disco Yeah, I'm having a hard time tying in the concept with the ride. What=20 does Survivor have to do with spinning around. Is there some sort of=20 competition element to the ride? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Mar 02 16:29:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91721 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 00:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 00:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.196) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 00:29:40 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so76893nzp for ; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.147.13 with SMTP id z13mr56262qbn; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.121.15 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:29:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30603021629g79af0cc7lf44e2ed8354546b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:29:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Survivor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=SiR7raPOlLAYU3nRqfZFaOFTqJiWo7hKWX2Df-PQIGbEpx3E X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 3/2/06, adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > > > Have any of you seen the rendering for Survivor: The Ride, and PGA? > > http://multimedia.pgathrills.com/images/news/Rendering41_mc3.jpg > > > > It looks like an expanded version of Disco > > Yeah, I'm having a hard time tying in the concept with the ride. What > does Survivor have to do with spinning around. Is there some sort of > competition element to the ride? The way it was described at noCoaster Con, there will be some interaction between the riders in line and the riders on the ride. Basically, they will encourage "audience participation" and the more participation they get the wetter the people on the ride will get or something along those lines. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Mar 03 07:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84328 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 15:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 15:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 15:07:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 15:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 15:07:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:07:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.32 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Construction of La Ronde's Goliath X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=OtjepKqlJsa1XOcHQu0Ph8OhB9dv-UJscQwSse5vg7K1Z_UYP6o X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Just a few words to remind that people at La Ronde regularly update=20 their website and add pictures about the construction process of=20 Goliath, the new B&M 175' roller coaster. The first three hills are=20 now completed and the workers have started to built the station. I'm=20 always impressed by the size of these constructions... Enjoy! http://www.laronde.com/fr/virtuel/album.asp?album=3D7 Fred From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Mar 03 12:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34957 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 20:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2006 20:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 20:58:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 20:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 20:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2006 20:58:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:58:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Coaster Grotto website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=jMT25YgL89Yc9S6w5GrerHU2pMMBfKMWPBY8erV05-uv2UIheoMey8s X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just curious if anyone in the group has ever checked out this website=20 and if anyone has a profile at the website. It's www.coastergrotto.com It has a lot of park reviews and rollercoaster reviews and you can=20 keep a track record and your top 20 coasters which I would be=20 interested to see what some of your top 20's are. My member name is=20 buckeyefan if anyone wants to check out my top 20 or track record. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Sat Mar 04 06:08:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1409 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2006 14:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2006 14:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2006 14:08:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 14:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2006 14:07:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:07:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.32 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: La Ronde should extend activities up to winter: Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=L33-tQvTN9_csmIvmySilm7CSsj6w0wgi1168FwJJwy-qQR-T5c X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Several newspapers report this morning that new Six Flags CEO, Mark=20 Shapiro, went to Montreal yesterday and talked to La Ronde employees=20 about his plans. Unfortunately, I don't find an electronic version=20 of any article in English, so I post below a French one from=20 the "Journal de Montreal" newspaper. To summarize, as he did in other parks, Shapiro speaks again about=20 the importance of bringing families inside the park, to improve=20 customers service with more employees, and to offer more animation=20 with parades, comics characters, etc... About La Ronde, Shapiro said that the park performs well but also=20 that it can perform better. He states that Six Flags has problematic=20 parks and that La Ronde is not among these parks. However, he notes=20 that the attendance didn't improve since Six Flags purchased the park=20 in 2001, despite 55M$ investments in the park (75M$ including the=20 next Goliath roller coaster). Shapiro expects that the attendance=20 should grow up from 1.2 million to 2 millions with new family rides=20 and other family-oriented activities. He also said that La Ronde should extend calendar in November and=20 becoming a "Winter Wonderland" with lights, skating, shows and other=20 entertaining activities. In "Le Devoir" newspaper, it is reported=20 that Shapiro would like to see these new activites in 2006 but that=20 he can't confirm anything at this time. However, he doesn't plan to=20 open the park throughout the winter season. Fred L'accent sera mis sur la famille=20 Six Flags veut doubler sa client=E8le de La Ronde Louis Mathieu Gagn=E9 Le Journal de Montr=E9al 04/03/2006 07h46=20 Six Flags souhaite doubler la client=E8le de La Ronde pour atteindre=20 les deux millions de visiteurs par an en mettant l'accent sur la=20 famille.=20 C'est ce qu'a annonc=E9 son pdg Mark Shapiro lors d'un point de presse=20 qui s'est tenu hier, au parc de l'=EEle Sainte-H=E9l=E8ne.=20 =ABAvec tous les investissements qu'on y a faits ces derni=E8res ann=E9es,= =20 je ne comprends pas pourquoi il n'y a pas deux millions de visiteurs=20 par ann=E9e ici=BB, dit celui qui a =E9t=E9 nomm=E9 =E0 la t=EAte de l'entr= eprise=20 am=E9ricaine en d=E9cembre dernier.=20 Walt Disney=20 Depuis l'achat de La Ronde par Six Flags en 2001, 74 M$ ont =E9t=E9=20 investis en infrastructures, man=E8ges, animations et autres=20 embellissements.=20 Or, la fr=E9quentation stagne ann=E9e apr=E8s ann=E9e, avec de 1,1 =E0 1,2= =20 million de visiteurs.=20 =AB=C7a peut para=EEtre agressif et ambitieux comme objectif, mais La Ronde= =20 a tout pour r=E9ussir=BB, indique cet ex-cadre d'ESPN.=20 Pour atteindre ce but, Six Flags compte investir 16 M$ l'an prochain.=20 L'accent sera mis sur la mise en march=E9, le service =E0 la client=E8le=20 et, surtout, les attractions destin=E9es aux familles.=20 M. Shapiro souhaite donner un cachet =ABWalt Disney=BB =E0 La Ronde. =ABOn= =20 veut cr=E9er une ambiance de f=EAte et de divertissement avec des=20 parades, des mascottes et des spectacles, explique le jeune pdg de 35=20 ans. On a notre client=E8le adolescente. Il nous faut am=E9liorer celle=20 familiale.=BB=20 Il envisage m=EAme le prolongement de la saison en novembre. =ABOn=20 pourrait profiter de l'hiver avec des spectacles, de l'animation et=20 une patinoire=BB, croit-il.=20 Pas =E0 vendre=20 M. Shapiro refuse de d=E9voiler les finances du parc. =AB=C7a va bien, mais= =20 =E7a pourrait aller mieux=BB, se contente-t-il de dire.=20 Six Flags envisage de se d=E9partir de certains de ses parcs non=20 rentables pour rembourser une partie de sa dette de 2,5 milliards de=20 dollars.=20 Mais La Ronde n'est pas =E0 vendre. =ABJ'ai des parcs =E0 probl=E8me et La= =20 Ronde n'est pas un de ceux-l=E0. Le parc a un =E9norme potentiel de=20 croissance=BB, nous assure-t-il.=20 Rappelons que l'automne a =E9t=E9 difficile pour Six Flags. D'abord mise=20 en vente, la compagnie est finalement pass=E9e sous le contr=F4le de l'un=20 des actionnaires, Dan Snyder, propri=E9taire des Redskins de Washington=20 (NFL) apr=E8s des mois de diff=E9rends avec l'ancien pdg, Kieran Burke.=20 Depuis sa nomination, Mark Shapiro fait le tour des 30 parcs=20 d'attractions de la compagnie. Il veut ainsi partager sa vision de=20 l'avenir avec ses employ=E9s et rassurer les actionnaires.=20 L'initiative porte fruit. L'action de Six Flags (NYSE : PKS) a pris=20 35 % de sa valeur depuis le d=E9but de l'ann=E9e. Elle a termin=E9 la=20 journ=E9e d'hier =E0 10,89 $.=20 Les parcs de Los Angeles, New Jersey et Chicago sont les plus=20 fr=E9quent=E9s, avec trois millions de visiteurs annuellement. http://www2.canoe.com/infos/quebeccanada/archives/2006/03/20060304- 074600.html From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Mar 04 18:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97809 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 02:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 02:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 02:28:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 02:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 02:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 02:28:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:28:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.126.210 From: "Chris" Subject: NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=iikDAq5HjKMyNIMPYkwRftUNzjcWyGP3vkSlU9kT90EgVVaT5A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I was at Fuji-Q this weekend and shot a bunch of construction photos. I also was told by construction workers that this new ride will be 80 meters tall. Check out my pictures at: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D190 Enjoy! Chris B From gallopingbeggar@adelphia.net Sun Mar 05 05:39:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gallopingbeggar@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86486 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 13:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 13:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta11.adelphia.net) (68.168.78.205) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 13:39:53 -0000 Received: from your2s4kn5k0h3 ([70.33.139.31]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20060305133921.IQDJ17101.mta11.adelphia.net@your2s4kn5k0h3> for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c6405a$36dc4f40$1f8b2146@your2s4kn5k0h3> To: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 68.168.78.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Sandra Baker" Subject: My Vintage Amusement ride paper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148547456; y=bh6wyyTXXXcj4sjV6EawYGOU2DNlOcBKPVionK5WYu7LnzD5YBA-mZR9 X-Yahoo-Profile: gallopingbeggar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, I am a longtime vintage paper dealer who is phasing out over the next year. I deal with many museums and websites {on dozens of subjects} who collect for archives and/or sell in shops or on line. I have a large collection Amusement Ride related items...stories, articles,illustrations, ads featuring Roller coasters, Ferris wheels etc.....from all eras and publications....priced from one to five dollars with a lot price included. I would like to send a package on approval....look it over and pay only for what you like. Return to me and I will send another if you so choose. Please email me at gallopingbeggar@adelphia.net Thanks, Sandi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aglover02@comcast.net Sun Mar 05 09:57:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aglover02@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68461 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) (204.127.192.84) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060305175722m14003bqobe>; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:57:22 +0000 Received: from [152.163.100.195] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:57:21 +0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:57:21 +0000 Message-Id: <030520061757.22279.440B267E00055F11000057072200737478CDCF9D0A900104090E@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: YWdsb3ZlcjAyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: aglover02@comcast.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176472823; y=LZPnj9vlUl-RJ-GwUXcrirUIicE3B0qMPigQLwtLrKIXoApO X-Yahoo-Profile: antongusa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Mar 05 10:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88131 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 18:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 18:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 18:06:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 18:05:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 18:05:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2006 18:05:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:05:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.50.237.58 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Tu1UxHET0KGj4yWiEYluVfkUPJO8tD6w6FoHbPojwOpumhc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested, some short videos I made of West Edmonton's Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa are up at: www.lonnol.com Adam From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Mar 05 10:50:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14705 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 18:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 18:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 18:50:23 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.c0.386ddb05 (16930) for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:49:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:49:24 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=KeWltnLU2hHM0TIuTqlbMKEItF0jCu6uN8EFsEQGoLmx1ZfCDJFZ X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool. Thanks -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onhisown@comcast.net Sun Mar 05 11:00:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7585 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060305181917m12001eufce>; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:19:17 +0000 Message-ID: <012701c64081$4a628fd0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:19:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=OsF6Om6g_f8wGS-qseQf7334VIuUoYtIx8GCBZnFqQQFkkE9nQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > From: Adam Sandy > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:05 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids > up > > > For anyone interested, some short videos I made of West Edmonton's > Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa are up at: > > www.lonnol.com > > Adam Your videos are of amazing quality - thanks for sharing! Mark From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 05 13:52:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74219 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2006 21:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2006 21:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2006 21:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 80811 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2006 21:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060305215255.80809.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.229.246] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:52:55 PST Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:52:55 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141571667.98.28018.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UcyHvRfLrffWp89v3e1uZaO20ZYJrCUii4fpm_fnwlmPjBiYpvw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Check out my pictures at < Great shots, Chris! Does anyone know if S&S/Arrow have worked out the problems with the ride? I mean, I assume they must have. What park would want to buy a ride that 's down more than it's up? But I'm wondering what was done, especially to the trains, to make it more reliable. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Mar 06 02:32:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97709 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 10:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 10:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 10:32:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 10:32:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 10:32:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 10:32:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:32:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060305215255.80809.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fHxrn_DfnqRSL13EAXiQhjay_QRIsd0zNXgAHYqQ4c-7EzdabQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > Check out my pictures at < >=20 > Great shots, Chris! Does anyone know if S&S/Arrow have worked out the problems with the ride? I mean, I assume they must have. What park would want to buy a ride that 's down more than it's up? But I'm wondering what was done, especially to the trains, to make it more reliable. >=20 > Jay Thanks, Jay. TPR is a great place to post pics, but lately the riffraff have been swarming the place, so there's been a bit of the "KEwL!!!1!!!111!" crowd showing up, and they don't say thank you. ;) It costs me about $200 to get up to Fuji-Q in gas, tickets and tolls to do a construction update, so I definitely appreciate a little positive feedback.=20 As for the ride system: There was a pretty wild rumor that the trains for this coaster were at 6FMM to test last winter. There were no pictures for confirmation. The announcement for the ride was supposedly going to take place around the same time (that came from Lance + Screamscape, if I remember). The announcement never happened and the story was the trains weren't any better. Of course there was no proof they were ever there in the first place, so take all that with a grain of salt.=20 The station does not appear to be a dual loading platform or even separate load and unload platforms at this time. (It's still pretty early to tell for certain.)=20 This does not mean that a set-up like Mr. Freeze or Momonga: Stand and Looping Coaster could not be used, but that also seems unlikely at this stage in the construction.=20 The trains could also be shorter which would mean more room for separate load / unload platforms. Who knows without seeing the trains besides S&S and Fuji-Q?=20 Finally, I have to point out that Fuji-Q is also home to Dodonpa. Although quite reliable compared to H:XLC and the Intamin accelerators, it does have horrible throughput numbers. I have timed launches of the 8 passenger trains as slow as one every three minutes! The lines for Dodonpa are typically 3+ hours with three trains in operation.=20 (I have never seen all 4 trains, only a different fourth nose cone in the car barn, and there isn't room for 4 trains in the barn, which you pass through on the way to the unload platform.)=20 It's all still conjecture and guesswork until the station gets closer to finished and the trains are spotted.=20 Shoot, after 3 separate trips during construction and making laps in and outside the park, I still haven't found where they are storing the pieces!=20 What is certain at this time is that while a bit similar to X, it will not be a carbon copy clone. The footprint thus far confirms it, and after the inside raven turn will be a "full-full" instead of a "half-half." What the train will do next is unclear, but the supports for an outside raven turn have been erected.=20 Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Mar 06 14:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70584 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 22:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 22:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 22:32:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 22:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 22:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2006 22:32:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:32:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.209.0.43 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=AtcSaNCQLA77F3sl2hFcX8jwhWubh8B6ONDDbhRYMrhzyRAW_fxzYqs X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Has body wars at epcot been taken out of action? I've seen derails on some websites, but nothing on the official disney site Thanks From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 06 14:33:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75142 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 22:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 22:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 22:33:39 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FGOGo-0008Ht-QQ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: <440CB8C7.1050207@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:33:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6b725d22459ead296a47bd2701add56299350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Grotto website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=blj4TCq7SuqulopI6PEeLFpVqfUph-nDnDXy8nffb4sCf_g X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Matt wrote: > Just curious if anyone in the group has ever checked out this website > and if anyone has a profile at the website. It's www.coastergrotto.com > It has a lot of park reviews and rollercoaster reviews and you can > keep a track record and your top 20 coasters which I would be > interested to see what some of your top 20's are. My member name is > buckeyefan if anyone wants to check out my top 20 or track record. > Yeah, I checked it out once and started to set up an account on it. For some reason though it kept booting me out, or losing coasters and things that I had added to my record. That was a while ago and I haven't been back to update it since- mostly because with limited time I just haven't had the time or ability to look at it since then. What I did see though seemed nice enough. keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 06 14:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25972 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FGOSa-0005dj-Hg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:45:48 -0500 Message-ID: <440CBBA0.8010308@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:45:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6b0b877f94c05d037cf94f86dbc0cfd366350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=04SUHeLnTs33nY0mIh4Q7R2WdeVm07m2iOAD0716GCyasUU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > I was at Fuji-Q this weekend and shot a bunch of construction photos. > I also was told by construction workers that this new ride will be 80 > meters tall. Check out my pictures at: > > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21000&start=190 > > > Enjoy! > Thanks for the update and the great pics Chris! I gotta say to that I'm finally getting a chance to read through some of your TR's that you posted back in Dec (!) and am really enjoying them. It's just the pits to be so far behind, but wanted to say thanks again for posting from all these places that most of us will only dream about visiting. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 06 14:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72182 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 22:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 22:47:56 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FGOUc-0007yO-Rl for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:47:55 -0500 Message-ID: <440CBC1F.4090503@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:47:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6b8a9d5e274d734ec8c447a1001dbab7ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=v6H0cp_e72LQnlYPy-mgyA7w6VSP60p79HljxSxihkvKxl4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > For anyone interested, some short videos I made of West Edmonton's > Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa are up at: > > www.lonnol.com > Thanks for the videos Adam. They're great, and especially enjoyed the look at BGT since I've been working there. A lot of fun, and very well done. They're definitely getting added to my video archives I've been building up. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 06 15:12:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67101 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 23:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2006 23:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 23:12:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k26NCwDa022028 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ca01c64173$83b3c900$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:13:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=2K73hUS52AJBRf8x3FUZmfXH1fYBh9uDb94wp9R67q6Eti6fMa95qtc-Sg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I think the official word from Disney is that Body Wars and the rest of the Wonders of Life pavilion is now a "seasonal" attraction that is only offered anymore on peak days. That doesn't mean summer either, that means busy holiday weekends like July 4th or Christmas or Thanksgiving. I havn't seen it open myself in quite some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel_roachus" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) > Hi, > > Has body wars at epcot been taken out of action? I've seen derails on > some websites, but nothing on the official disney site > > Thanks > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 06 16:25:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74933 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 00:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 00:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 00:25:26 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224539A95 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:25:20 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C9DB12B-94A9-4169-AC2E-DBF53A082B1E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:25:23 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa vids up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JFKRxYv-V4XKiPwUs0C0B-Jm8-qsYhNWw2BQ20PtBwp3SyBg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Adam, Those videos were great, thanks for sharing! I particularly liked Mindbender .. a coaster I've been really intrigued about for a very long time. I can't believe how fast it takes those loops (which look circular - is that right?!). I also always like a bit of Beastie Boys! Busch Gardens Tampa looks pretty great .. Loved those cute little elephants! Cameron. On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:05, Adam Sandy wrote: > For anyone interested, some short videos I made of West Edmonton's > Mindbender and Busch Gardens Tampa are up at: > > www.lonnol.com > > Adam > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 07 12:36:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93687 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 20:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 20:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 20:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 70078 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2006 20:36:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060307203602.70076.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.237.112] by web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:36:02 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141659636.217.83792.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Another milestone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=5KL42etAAWFSpwJluv8CKaX7_FRzYKcm8ZHOmJYzyg1yL2VcRCWe X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received my 2000th RollerCoasterTalk digest today! Thanks to all the faithful posters who keep this list active and interesting. Jay --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 07 12:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85461 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 20:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 20:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 20:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 34592 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2006 20:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060307204353.34590.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.237.112] by web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:43:53 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141659636.217.83792.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-_SWEow8wfvGHz0wJeMJMS07mthB4ti48tZTQ6d_7riPSZBj2xUG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I definitely appreciate a little positive feedback. < You've been our lifeline to the far east! > the story was the trains weren't any better. Of course there was no proof they were ever there in the first place, so take all that with a grain of salt. < I can't imagine S&S launching the same style of trains through a larger circuit, unless they found the problem to be with the track. Arrow never was know for its trackwork and transitions. I was watching a video I made of King's Dominion. The trackwork on Anaconda seems so primitive compared to the work of B&M and Intamin. It really looks like the construction crew copied one of Ron Toomer's legendary pieces of bent wire. But if the problem was with the trains and no modifications were made, then that will probably be the end of S&S's foray into steel coaster fabrication. > Dodonpa ... I have timed launches of the 8 passenger trains as slow as one every three minutes! < That's slow? I timed Hypersonic at about six minutes per launch! That makes Dodonpa look efficient. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Mar 07 13:43:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86030 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 21:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2006 21:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (12.41.14.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 21:43:57 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD0053CE72@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) Thread-Index: AcZB/vwzcoGBvfUpTkyZF1ztY5BXCwAMN12Q To: X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: Re: QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=0wtQBLL0gi260xJ_TRS1oVprQYLJw8ZONmvfDZCEEdPADJv90Q X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Why? I don't understand the logic. Why would an entire pavilion be kept closed much of the time? Is it normally poorly-attended? If so, "taer it down" and put up something more popular.=20 Why wouldn't they keep it open regularly? Jon ______________________________=20=20 > From: "Lance Hart" >=20 > I think the official word from Disney is that Body Wars and=20 > the rest of the=20 > Wonders of Life pavilion is now a "seasonal" attraction that=20 > is only offered=20 > anymore on peak days. That doesn't mean summer either, that=20 > means busy=20 > holiday weekends like July 4th or Christmas or Thanksgiving. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Mar 08 01:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17206 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 09:35:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 09:35:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:35:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060307203602.70076.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Another milestone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Y9ustbfFi9G98lDRraIIEAVMrr1L-nYVw5-D92qktrCavYWEKg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > I just received my 2000th RollerCoasterTalk digest today! Thanks to all the faithful posters who keep this list active and interesting. >=20 > Jay You're welcome!=20 ;) Anybody interested in my first photo trip report? Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Mar 08 01:51:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69371 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 09:51:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 09:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 09:51:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:51:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060307204353.34590.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS? Construction update on the new 4D in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=V1dNswpfKvh3QMZEqMU96J8RJri9Z9fnKYyD2YmLGl9riywjIA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > I definitely appreciate a little positive feedback. < >=20 > You've been our lifeline to the far east! Doitashi mashte (ROUGH romanization of 'you're welcome') > > the story was the trains weren't any better. Of course there was no proof they were ever there in the first place, so take all that with a grain of salt. < >=20 > I can't imagine S&S launching the same style of trains through a larger circuit, unless they found the problem to be with the track.=20 Arrow never was know for its trackwork and transitions. I was watching a video I made of King's Dominion. The trackwork on Anaconda seems so primitive compared to the work of B&M and Intamin. It really looks like the construction crew copied one of Ron Toomer's legendary pieces of bent wire. But if the problem was with the trains and no modifications were made, then that will probably be the end of S&S's foray into steel coaster fabrication. All those extra supports may be for another reason besides earthquake code. Those trains reportedly weigh in at @ 27 tons! Maybe X has track warpage? =20 > > Dodonpa ... I have timed launches of the 8 passenger trains as slow as one every three minutes! < >=20 > That's slow? I timed Hypersonic at about six minutes per launch!=20 That makes Dodonpa look efficient. > Jay It is actually the SECOND least efficient coaster I've seen in Japan. Hayabusa at Tokyo Summerland was rediculous, about 8-10 minutes between dispatches, if I remember. In general, they push people through pretty good at all the parks here, not just Disney and Universal. They really staple you on Dodonpa and they have rediculous requirements about emptying your pockets before riding. (I have been directed to place my wallet, keys, etc in the station lockers on more than one occasion! Really, how am I going to lose my wallet from my back pocket? I'm sitting on it!)=20 DDP actually scares me though. I actually appreciate being stapled on it. My whole fear is that just a few 'clicks' more freedom, and you might fly over Mt. Fuji! Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Mar 08 05:07:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39627 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 13:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 13:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 13:07:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 13:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 13:07:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:07:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD0053CE72@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: QUestion: Body wars at epcot (orlando) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=_9LeA2ScYkDRh_gOY3XTz71DyhInkzYoi6ZPhM3xkPDtgrg2MgZlSBU X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus >=20 >=20 > > From: "Lance Hart" > >=20 > > I think the official word from Disney is that Body Wars and=20 > > the rest of the=20 > > Wonders of Life pavilion is now a "seasonal" attraction that=20 > > is only offered=20 > > anymore on peak days. That doesn't mean summer either, that=20 > > means busy=20 > > holiday weekends like July 4th or Christmas or Thanksgiving. > according to a site I read yesterday, it's closed for good... From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 08 08:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34021 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 16:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 16:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 16:19:44 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k28GJXx2001880 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:19:33 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:19:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4EF1522F-1005-407A-9760-FD41273769D3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:19:25 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2006 16:19:33.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[15C82E40:01C642CC] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Another milestone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=mRZ3nhpFj0NhfrFNi7JVxW2kEE3KuOz3xu11HHvssl123kHl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Chris, > Anybody interested in my first photo trip report? Yes please! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Mar 08 10:21:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48619 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 18:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 18:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 18:21:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 18:19:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 18:19:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:19:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.240 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=2DjdSOw6snnNfBybXvMytc5YgWEURw1YFbiUxfuPo5AjGNwuOFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Six Flags Reports Strong Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2005 Results;=20 Results Driven by Attendance and Spending Growth; New Management Team=20 Reaffirms Guidance for 2006 08 Mar 05 07:32=20=20 NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 8, 2006-- Six Flags, Inc. (NYSE: PKS) today announced the results of its=20 operations for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31,=20 2005. For the full year 2005, as reported revenues were $1.09 billion,=20 compared to $ 1.0 billion for 2004, an increase of $91.1 million or=20 9.1%. The Company's net loss for 2005 was $110.9 million, compared to=20 a net loss of $464.8 million in 2004. The 2005 as reported Adjusted=20 EBITDA totaled $286.8 million, compared to $ 253.6 million in 2004.(1) The 2005 as reported Adjusted EBITDA includes expenses totaling $12.6=20 million for severance and other costs directly associated with the=20 senior management and corporate strategy changes. The 2005 as=20 reported Adjusted EBITDA excludes $7.8 million in Adjusted EBITDA=20 related to Six Flags AstroWorld in Houston which is classified as a=20 discontinued operation. Including the Six Flags AstroWorld results and excluding the expenses=20 not directly related to the Company's ongoing operations, Adjusted=20 EBITDA for 2005 would have totaled $307.2 million, exceeding the=20 Company's prior guidance. Strengthening the Brand and Improving the Six Flags Guest Experience "Repositioning the brand, diversifying our entertainment offerings=20 and improving the guest experience are our immediate company-wide=20 priorities," said Mark Shapiro, who joined the Company in December=20 2005 as President and Chief Executive Officer. "However, these=20 operating results illustrate the already fundamental strength of the=20 Six Flags experience and its value to our guests. The Company=20 finished 2005 on a strong note of recovery and we are proceeding with=20 several new initiatives intended to place Six Flags on a path to=20 deliver sustainable growth, reduce debt and enhance shareholder=20 value."=20 "While most see 2006 as a transition year, by reaffirming previous=20 management's guidance we are underscoring confidence that our=20 redefined strategy, coupled with the celebration of our 45th=20 Anniversary, will broaden our customer base by attracting families as=20 well as teenagers, boosting our per capita revenue."=20 Shapiro continued, "It is our intention to drive increased attendance=20 through enhanced broad-based marketing strategies while capturing the=20 full value of admissions, parking and concessions by introducing more=20 competitive and standardized pricing in our parks. We also plan to=20 realize additional revenue streams through an array of new business=20 initiatives, including marketing alliances and sponsorships with some=20 of today's most popular consumer brands."=20 He concluded, "Every single day we will remain focused on bringing=20 our guests an entertainment package that they can't experience=20 anywhere else close to home: family rides, thrill rides, special=20 events, concerts and shows, daily parades, fireworks, shopping,=20 dining and games, as well as significantly increased interaction=20 with, and appearances by, Looney Tunes and Justice League=20 characters."=20 Financial Review Full Year (As Reported) For the full year 2005, as reported revenues were $1.09 billion,=20 compared to $ 1.0 billion for 2004, an increase of $91.1 million or=20 9.1%. Attendance for full year 2005 increased from 32.1 million to=20 33.7 million, a 4.9% gain from the previous year, while total revenue=20 per capita increased 4.0%, from $31.12 in 2004 to $32.37. The Houston=20 AstroWorld park, whose operating results for 2005 are not included in=20 the Company's results from continuing operations, generated 2005=20 attendance and revenue of 1.3 million and $41.3 million,=20 respectively. This compares to 2004 attendance and revenue for the=20 park of 1.4 million and $39.1 million, respectively.=20 For the year, operating costs and expenses, including depreciation,=20 amortization and non-cash compensation, were $906.3 million, compared=20 to $845.8 million in 2004, an increase of 7.2%.=20 Net loss applicable to common stock in 2005 was $132.9 million, or=20 $1.43 per share, compared with a loss of $486.8 million, or $5.23 per=20 share in 2004. The 2005 loss included a loss from discontinued=20 operations of $22.0 million, $0.24 per share. The 2004 loss included=20 a loss from discontinued operations of $291.0 million, $3.13 per=20 share.=20 As reported Adjusted EBITDA for 2005 was $286.8 million in 2005,=20 compared to $ 253.6 million in 2004, an increase of 13.1%.=20 Fourth Quarter (As Reported) For the fourth quarter, revenues were $111.8 million, compared to=20 $105.4 million for the fourth quarter 2004, an increase of $6.4=20 million or 6.1%. Attendance for the fourth quarter 2005 was 3.6=20 million, down 1.0% compared to the prior year, while total revenue=20 per capita increased 7.1%, from $29.26 in 2004 to $31.33 in 2005.=20 Operating costs and expenses were $170.9 million for the fourth=20 quarter of 2005, compared to $152.6 million for the fourth quarter of=20 2004, an increase of 12.0%. This increase was primarily attributable=20 to $12.6 million of selling, general and administrative and operating=20 expenses, and $2.0 million of non-cash compensation expense, both of=20 which were directly associated with the senior management and=20 corporate strategy changes.=20 Net loss applicable to common stock in the fourth quarter 2005 was=20 $144.5 million, or $1.55 per share, compared to a fourth quarter 2004=20 loss of $115.0 million, or $1.24 per share. The 2005 loss included a=20 loss from discontinued operations of $22.4 million, $0.24 per share.=20 The 2004 loss included a loss from discontinued operations of $3.5=20 million, $0.04 per share.=20 As reported Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2005 was a loss=20 of $17.3 million, compared to a loss of $6.0 million in 2004.=20 Operating Highlights Since mid-December, the Company has taken a number of major steps to=20 strengthen its management team, improve operating performance, and=20 enhance the guest experience at each of its parks:=20 -- The corporate management team was restructured, with the following appointments: -- Jeffrey Speed was named Executive Vice President and will become Chief Financial Officer, effective April 1. -- Four new divisions were created: -- Park Strategy and Management, headed by Mark Quenzel. -- In-Park Services, headed by Andrew Schleimer. -- Marketing and Entertainment, headed by Mike Antinoro. -- Corporate Alliances, headed by Lou Koskovolis. -- New general managers have been named at five Six Flags parks - New Jersey, Chicago, Washington DC, Denver and Louisville. -- Six new members of the Board of Directors were named, including Mr. Shapiro; Daniel M. Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins; Harvey Weinstein, Co-Chairman of the Weinstein Companies; and Dwight Schar, Chairman and CEO of NVR, Inc., a home-building company. -- Several specific initiatives were announced to improve the park experience, including: -- A broader range of family-oriented in-park events and activities, including daily parades, fireworks, shows and the creation of a Looney Tunes and Justice League character program, featuring appearances, photo and dining opportunities with guests. -- A universal employee training program to motivate and educate employees to consistently deliver high quality customer service. -- A new system-wide non-smoking policy. -- Six Flags has signed marketing and sponsorship agreements with Sunkist and with National CineMedia (a venture of three movie theatre chains - AMC Entertainment, Cinemark USA and Regal Entertainment Group). The Company also is in advanced discussions with Papa John's Pizza. -- Six Flags hired OgilvyOne Worldwide, the world's largest one-to-one marketing agency, to help broaden and deepen the Company's relationships with its guests through direct and interactive marketing. -- Six Flags appointed MindShare, the global full-service media company, as the media-buying agency for Six Flags theme parks nationwide, enabling the Company - and its 29 theme parks - to implement an overall media strategy that communicates at the local level the Company's focus on its positioning as the country's leading local family entertainment destination, its commitment to guest service, and the Company's 45th Anniversary celebration. Outlook Key financial priorities for the Company are to drive free cash flow=20 and reduce debt levels over the next several years.=20 For 2006, the Company is reaffirming previous guidance of $340=20 million of Adjusted EBITDA (excluding certain severance and other=20 costs related to the management and corporate strategy changes). This=20 represents a 13.5% increase over 2005 comparable park performance.=20 This growth is expected to be generated by a combination of both=20 attendance and per capita spending growth as a result of enhanced in- park entertainment and activities, new marketable attractions in 11=20 of our 19 theme parks, as well as more focused and efficient=20 marketing initiatives, highlighted by the 45th Anniversary=20 celebration of Six Flags.=20 The Company expects that operating costs for 2006 will reflect=20 expenses attributable to increased staffing and in-park initiatives.=20 These costs are an integral part of new management's strategy, which=20 is intended to drive enhanced guest satisfaction, particularly among=20 families, resulting in greater attendance and higher per capita=20 spending.=20 In addition, the Company intends to reduce annual capital=20 expenditures to approximately $100 million in the future from the=20 expected 2006 season spend of approximately $140 million, as the=20 Company focuses its capital investments on more broad-based family=20 entertainment attractions.=20 The Company also has previously announced its intention to sell its=20 Houston AstroWorld property as well as its Oklahoma City parks and is=20 in the process of assessing other potential opportunities to dispose=20 of non-core assets, including underutilized real estate. Proceeds=20 from these dispositions are intended to be utilized to reduce debt=20 levels and provide the Company with enhanced operational and=20 financial flexibility.=20 About Six Flags Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company.=20 Founded in 1961, Six Flags is celebrating its 45th Anniversary in=20 2006. It is a publicly- traded corporation (NYSE: PKS) headquartered=20 in New York City.=20 =20 From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Mar 08 10:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81338 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 18:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 18:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 18:24:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 18:24:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 18:24:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2006 18:24:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:24:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.240 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags New England renames a roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=Yr7SgdGzqMucQUI1iOY_dt0MVXr45GQjHxx-BptDU47enC8Pksk X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Following is obviously a consequence of Six Flags new marketing=20 strategy. According to RollerCoaster Database, Six Flags New England=20 has changed the name of the newest roller coaster of the park. The new=20 name of "Mr. Six's Pandemonium" is now "Pandemonium". Fred From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Mar 08 11:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43704 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-20.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.235) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12630 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FH3RE-0005Nc-57 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:31:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D061732-A939-4A6A-9F44-474CA936E1B6@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:37:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box24.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32346 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - donkeyentertainment.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags New England renames a roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ZBl0cPdq-KcJnHAMzNkbEeZY6o5PDTZHTL3CaYqpyJEklEEUo_6B X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Following is obviously a consequence of Six Flags new marketing > strategy. According to RollerCoaster Database, Six Flags New England > has changed the name of the newest roller coaster of the park. The > new > name of "Mr. Six's Pandemonium" is now "Pandemonium". This is great, I'm glad that Shapiro was serious about killing off Mr. Six. The previous management people were going to drive that guy into the ground... just like how a bad comedian keeps going back to the same joke when they don't have anything else thats funny. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Mar 08 17:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87743 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 01:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 01:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 01:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 9132 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2006 01:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060309015530.9129.qmail@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.0.234] by web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:55:30 PST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:55:30 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141849189.216.97212.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags New England renames a roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=CyttUqUrMvdC4ktdwCmK-lQo149srFDEVpmTmcMGgDEbU0igFHrx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess the end of Mr. Six will also be the end of the VengaBoys revival. At least we won't have to hear that tune blaring through the park over and over and over. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 01:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61533 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 09:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 09:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 09:51:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 09:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 09:51:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:51:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EF1522F-1005-407A-9760-FD41273769D3@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: PTR: (Link) Hamanako Pal Pal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ngvZJPj-qJ-mUGRrby2VnPWz0AucrlzT0arQfNgXNx1tTqosog X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > Hi, Chris, >=20 > > Anybody interested in my first photo trip report? >=20 > Yes please! >=20 > Cameron. This was my first PTR. I tried to make a funny. I'd love to get your opinions, as I feel like I almost know many of you! Here it is! http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D22703&highlight=3Dha= manako Chris B From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 09 08:26:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66188 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k29GQPmM006074 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:26:25 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:26:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:26:19 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 16:26:25.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[35E17040:01C64396] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PTR: (Link) Hamanako Pal Pal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WrvWi9btMJyPlGM0cwcFOIG-ik5MbnNZoZJGODqCrFwmUGG2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Chris, That was a great write-up with excellent pictures. Some friends of mine are talking about a trip to Japan next year .. they're not coaster-geeks, but I'll be sure to drag them to a few parks (err .. once we know the itinerary!) Cameron. On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: >> Hi, Chris, >> >>> Anybody interested in my first photo trip report? >> >> Yes please! >> >> Cameron. > > This was my first PTR. I tried to make a funny. I'd love to get your > opinions, as I feel like I almost know many of you! Here it is! > > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php? > t=22703&highlight=hamanako > > Chris B > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Mar 09 12:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71918 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 20:47:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 20:47:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 20:47:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2006 20:47:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:47:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: NEWS: Myrtle Beach's landmark park to shutter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=1E41mpX7LBXgJTWgp6mX5lWR_j1LMg9f5l6-stZiz98P46Q X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy This certainly sucks balls. Adam ------------------------ March 09, 2006 Myrtle Beach's landmark park to shutter The Myrtle Beach Pavilion Amusement Park, which has greeted South Carolina tourists every summer since 1948, will close after this season, park owner Burroughs & Chapin Co. Inc. announced Thursday. "A great deal of careful, painstaking thought has gone into making this decision. The Pavilion has been one of the central landmarks of Myrtle Beach tourism for more than 50 years, and no one has a stronger or deeper emotional attachment than the people at Burroughs & Chapin," Doug Wendel, president of the company, told the Myrtle Beach Sun News. A mix of lodging, shops and attractions that would lure people to the Pavilion area year-round is planned. The complex includes an oceanfront arcade and 49 rides. The Pavilion opens on weekends starting March 17 and every day starting April 7. From coastergeorge@earthlink.net Thu Mar 09 14:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastergeorge@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29787 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FHTuZ-0004kM-QE for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <4410B075.90509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:47:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6be752cc67ba63cf7e760f3272c01f4a37350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: George Burnash Subject: NEW: Texas Cyclone demolished X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214752466; y=FzuqOJTrEgKXdnco-fVASu1c7rp2S0Ip76SNWOc3oRySL7lplyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: sirwillow77 I've been reading several reports around the internet today. Apparently they decided to go ahead and leveled the Cyclone today. From what I've heard it was still there at 7am, but was pretty much completely gone by 10am. Sad that we've lost another great coaster. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 09 14:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73842 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 22:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2006 22:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 22:51:06 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FHTyL-0008FC-Nf for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4410B15F.4000902@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:51:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478bbc7acd6dc94bc6b9faf9cd51faddf47a377bcd39c4fa99e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Myrtle Beach's landmark park to shutter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=TPRHHhtEeyjmo4hKzkummNdfkS3bBS7rqyEojc754OtRn6I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > This certainly sucks balls. > Maybe not quite how I'd put it, but I'm absolutely agreed on the sentiment. > The Myrtle Beach Pavilion Amusement Park, which has greeted South > Carolina tourists every summer since 1948, will close after this > season, park owner Burroughs & Chapin Co. Inc. announced Thursday. The one thing I'm grateful for is that we had the pleasure to visit it last year. But to lose another park, and one with the history that this one does... Not many seaside parks left. I just don't see how their plan is going to be better for the area than the park is now. But that may be my own sentiments coming through. It's probably much to early to say, but any idea if they are just going to scrap the rides, or any chance that they'll be saved? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 09 17:56:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95023 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 01:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 01:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 01:56:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5723 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 01:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310015616.5721.qmail@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.64.253.248] by web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:56:16 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:56:16 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4410B075.90509@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cornell Spradling Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEW: Texas Cyclone demolished X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=JvlMmmXI308BF39Ue82nVs2LUHxK1Z_nGTGp8Skj78y22AXBqn5iYsYrgEgkn0U X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was that the coaster at Wonderland park in Amarillo Texas? I hope not, I used to live there and I have enjoyed that coaster many times, always looked like you were gonna drop off the edge and a lot of sharp turns. George Burnash wrote: I've been reading several reports around the internet today. Apparently they decided to go ahead and leveled the Cyclone today. From what I've heard it was still there at 7am, but was pretty much completely gone by 10am. Sad that we've lost another great coaster. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Cornell Spradling mskr63@sbcglobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 18:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30581 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 02:03:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 83563 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 02:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310020343.83561.qmail@web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.8.107] by web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:03:43 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:03:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141929040.142.54446.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: PTR: (Link) Hamanako Pal Pal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=eVHz2XYoE7uNQvmx8sbFeM1VZlnryckq3ZD6-n5fWaNPaTVn5EMS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd love to get your opinions, as I feel like I almost know many of you! < Lots of fun, Chris! It's great to actually see the park. What a mass of color! Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 09 18:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41789 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 52045 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2006 02:05:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060310020529.52043.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.8.107] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:05:29 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:05:29 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1141929040.142.54446.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: History of Riverside X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nLoKKAK_kyhApkjkX5dcMA34tOCnHvAaigNdrO6YlWolTNniaLCI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is from the Springfield, Mass., Republican. If any of you are in this area next weekend, you might want to check it out: Six Flags history AGAWAM -- The Agawam Historical Society will hold the annual joint meeting with the members of the Ramapogue Historical Association of West Springfield on March 22 at 7 p.m. in the Captain Charles Leonard House, 663 Main St. James Birchall, vice-president of the Agawam Historical Association, will present "Riverside Park/Grove to Six Flags." For some, this will be an opportunity to reminisce about the good times at Riverside: Gallup Grove, Lake Takadip, Cook's Dancing Pavilion, the Sylvia, the Greyhound, bowling and picnics to the terrifying rides of today. The younger generation will enjoy learning about life before Six Flags. A brief business meeting will precede the program and refreshments will be served at a social hour following the presentation. Members, friends and guests are invited to attend. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 02:35:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67054 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2006 10:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2006 10:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2006 10:35:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 10:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 10:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2006 10:35:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:35:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060310015616.5721.qmail@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEW: Texas Cyclone demolished X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G5yavcJFlwAPzzSAbPl9jk3_Yj_FV-ZDP2KtdfINYjmIuK26hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 No, that's the woodie at the desolation formerly known as Astroworld. Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cornell Spradling wrote: > > Was that the coaster at Wonderland park in Amarillo Texas? I hope not, I used to live there and I have enjoyed that coaster many times, always looked like you were gonna drop off the edge and a lot of sharp turns. >=20 > George Burnash wrote: I've been reading several reports around the internet today. Apparently=20 > they decided to go ahead and leveled the Cyclone today. From what I've=20 > heard it was still there at 7am, but was pretty much completely gone by=20 > 10am. >=20 > Sad that we've lost another great coaster. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Mar 11 14:08:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47460 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 22:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 22:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 22:08:10 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2ee.2ab4fdc (16633) for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:08:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ee.2ab4fdc.3144a446@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:08:06 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEW: Texas Cyclone demolished X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In away, its sad to see a coaster demolished like that, but in another that coaster wasn't all that good. It had several different trains over the years, and they never quite got it right! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 15:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58735 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 37755 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2006 23:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060312234416.37753.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.14.46] by web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:44:16 PST Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:44:16 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142174942.3292.25496.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Six Flags prepares attractions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dkeOzkqfNKRCblFQVcaHv0QPYgSrda-nVZvL2XeEfjz0dd9oEPCt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the Sunday Republican, Springfield, Mass, which also ran some nice photos of the new water ride and the Skyscraper being constructed. > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1142067113245150.xml?nnhf < Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Mar 15 08:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63940 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.d4.3916759b (1320) for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:59 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Parking Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just doing a little survey on parking fees. With some Six Flags parks raising parking fees to $15, just wondering how many would pay that, or would you just skip those parks this year because that is way to high to park your car! Heck, some parks that's their admission or wristband fee! I think its a little ridiculous that Six Flags charge a lot more to park than Disney World. And, at Disney, you can go to 4 parks for the price of parking at one! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 12:36:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5440 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 20:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 20:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 20:36:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:36:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:36:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hollywood studio unveils plans for theme park in South Korea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wlmWE_lbt6JQtt-T-qll92A5ug3IbA8cKHByCMfTQ6q7ONY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 15, 2006 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060315/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentskoreau smgmcompanyinvestment_060315093655 SEOUL, South Korea -- Hollywood studio MGM unveiled plans for a=20 billion-dollar theme park that will bring RoboCop and the Pink=20 Panther to South Korea's southern port city of Busan. MGM signed a memorandum of understanding with Busan city and South=20 Korean developer Glovit for its first theme park in Asia on around=20 one million sq.m. of land, officials announced at a joint press=20 conference. Under the terms of a licensing deal, MGM said it will supply its=20 content and brand name but no investment to the 'MGM Studio Park'.=20 Busan supplies the land and infrastructure while Glovit brings in the=20 financing and development. Glovit president Park Hoon said he was seeking around one trillion=20 won (one billion dollars) to finance the park that would be completed=20 and opened by 2011. It will feature some 27 amusement park attractions as well as a=20 hotel, restaurants and a film academy where visitors can produce=20 their own movies, and an entertainment school for deeper study of the=20 film business. A Pink Panther play area for kids and a RoboCop section will be key=20 features of the park that will form part of a tourism complex Busan=20 is building in the eastern part of the city. "The actual size and=20 content of the theme park will be subject to further negotiations,"=20 Busan city mayor Hur Nam-Sik told the press conference. He said South Korea's 2nd city of 4-million people and the world's=20 5th largest container port would "spare no efforts" to ensure the=20 success of the venture. MGM executive VP Travis Rutherford said the theme park would bring in=20 a" whole new era for the Korean entertainment and leisure time=20 industry. "The MGM entertainment experience will be a movie-based=20 thrill, fast-paced action, high-energy impact and cutting-edge=20 adventure," he said. MGM said it had been looking for 5 years for a location for its first=20 Asian theme park and chose South Korea because the country provided=20 unique advantages. "It is a fantastic market," said MGM senior VP=20 George Wade. "We studied so many markets in Asia. We wanted our=20 product to go into a market that truly appreciated movies. As well as=20 that, South Korea has good economic growth, disposable income and the=20 government here is very motivated to expand tourism." For the past 10 years Busan, 450 km (280 miles) southeast of Seoul,=20 has hosted Asia's biggest annual film festival while South Korea has=20 its own vibrant film industry. The country is also the cradle of a Korean wave of TV dramas, movies=20 and pop music that has enchanted China, Japan and other Asian=20 nations. "We are proud to be joining forces with the emerging leader=20 of Asian popular culture, Korea, whose companies and stars are=20 increasingly defining what people listen to, watch and play=20 throughout the world," said Rutherford. Glovit said it expected 5-million visits annually from domestic and=20 foreign tourists, making the park the most popular in Asia. -------- =A9 2006 Agence France Presse =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 12:41:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3006 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 20:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 20:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 20:41:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:41:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:41:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: The cost of progress X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=a_okrae9LiUKx7L4M_yqcR_FHY33VDs0vOGSUtovMi-oCBY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03-15-06 The Sanford Herald http://www.sanfordherald.com/articles/2006/03/15/news/editorial/edit06 .txt Myrtle Beach, SC -- Mention the Myrtle Beach Pavilion Amusement Park=20 in a crowd in these parts, and you're liable to get a big smile on=20 your face. Myrtle Beach has long been a summer vacation destination - and that=20 includes the MBPAP. Even Burroughs & Chapin President Doug Wendel,=20 which owns the facility, said: "The Pavilion has been one of the=20 central landmarks of Myrtle Beach tourism for more than 50 years." According to Wendel as stated in a recent published report, the park=20 has not been profitable in recent years. Wendel also said, "But increasingly, MBPAP has come to symbolize the=20 past of Myrtle Beach, what Myrtle Beach used to be." MBPAP may symbolize the past, but it's a past that includes many=20 wonderful memories - and, despite losing money, there are plenty of=20 people who continue to use the park each summer. As Myrtle Beach photographer Jack Thompson has been quoted as=20 saying: "You cannot stop progress, but it is a sad commentary to see=20 MBPAP bow to the wrecking ball after what it has meant to the=20 development of Myrtle Beach." No business can afford to continue to lose money. The plans for a mix=20 of shops, homes and tourist attractions may provide much greater=20 income for the company. No doubt. Perhaps it's what should occur. But that doesn't erase the memories and the sadness that this long- time attraction is going by the wayside. In a sense, it's one of=20 Myrtle Beach's historic landmarks. Many landmarks are saved for=20 posterity - but many of them are not located on property that is as=20 valuable as that of MBPAP. It's just another sign of the changing times in the Myrtle Beach=20 area. There's more people and more traffic. There are many other=20 activities that have captured the attention of those who visit. There are many new hotels - many of them replacing older hotels. The=20 old Myrtle Beach mall is no more, but there is a new mall. Nothing stays the same. Not in Sanford and Lee County. Not at Disney=20 World. And not in Myrtle Beach. Call it progress. Perhaps they'll at least put up a marker so future generations can=20 know the importance the MBPAP in the history of that community. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 12:47:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60830 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 20:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 20:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 20:47:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:47:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:47:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:47:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Workers begin to clean up Joyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9QOK3yw65DQRLothoKfaJ8xnu1lcf5d9xAZ3-ai6b19DcbE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 15, 2006 The Wichita Eagle http://www.sunherald.com/mld/kansas/business/14099815.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dkansas_business BY DAN VOORHIS Wichita, KS -- Joyland will definitely reopen, the pair of investors=20 who promise to renovate the park said Tuesday. They have hired local=20 crews to start the cleaning and painting of the amusement park at=20 2801 S. Hillside. Michael Moodenbaugh of Tacoma, WA, and his partner, Robert Barnard of=20 Tampa, FL, still expect to open the park by April 16, although crews=20 will have to work double shifts, they said. A few workers were out over the weekend, cutting grass and painting=20 the Joyland sign on Hillside. But on Tuesday the park was quiet. The=20 2 do not own the park and apparently have not yet signed a lease for=20 it. Their plan is to lease the park from the owners, Stanley and=20 Margaret Nelson, for several months until they can get the 43-acre=20 park rezoned. Moodenbaugh and Barnard say they will spend between $3-$5 million=20 rehabilitating the park, mostly this year. Moodenbaugh said they hope=20 the park will draw 350,000 to 450,000 people this year. About 350,000=20 visitors will allow the pair to break even. The partners plan to boost attendance by bringing in concerts and=20 performances every weekend. If the year goes well, they would spend another $10-$15 million on a=20 water park. If not, they could build apartments next to Joyland. They=20 won't buy the park until the Nelsons get the park rezoned to allow=20 apartments. The park is a wreck, the buyers acknowledge. It has been shut down=20 since August 2004 and was poorly maintained before that under then- owner David Rohr. The Nelsons sold Joyland to Rohr in 2003 and reacquired it through=20 foreclosure in December 2004. The Nelsons have been trying to sell it=20 ever since. All of the rides, except the roller coaster and the skycoaster, will=20 be ready by April 16, Moodenbaugh and Barnard said. The skycoaster=20 will be ready soon after. The roller coaster will take some time to renovate, Moodenbaugh said. But plenty of skepticism about their plans remains. Some have said=20 that Joyland is too small, antiquated, set in a distressed=20 neighborhood and hard to reach from the highway. --------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 12:55:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78959 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:55:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:55:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 20:55:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:55:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Astroworld Rollercoaster Coming To Lubbock X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OUOfaB0G3PN7vqkGktMLW_egeJU588gYzGOE9IiUyAY7zlk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 3/14/2006 KAMC ABC 28 http://www.kamc28.com/news/default.asp?mode=3Dshownews&id=3D1565 Lubbock, TX -- If you like rollercoasters, get ready for the thrill=20 of your life. One of the most popular rides in Texas is headed to=20 Lubbock. The owners of Joyland Amusement Park bought the coaster=20 called "Greezed Lightning" from Six Flag`s Astroworld in Houston that=20 shut down last year. Joyland`s owners, David & Kristi Dean, say it takes just 30 second to=20 ride the coaster, but the memory of the thrill will last a=20 lifetime. "It`s going to tower over Joyland," said David Dean. "It=20 stands 140'-tall. You blast from 0-60 (mph) in just 4 seconds.=20 There`s a 72'-tall loop and at that point, You`re going to do it all=20 again backwards." Dean says Joyland already has more than 30 rides for visitors to=20 enjoy. But the new coaster will be the fastest and biggest the city=20 has ever seen. "It will be about 3 times the size of the "Galaxy" and=20 the loop will be about twice the size of the "Sky Rise". So it will=20 really be a blast to ride," he said. The coaster is already in Lubbock, but not yet assembled. It should=20 be ready to ride in 2007. "It`s an absolutely huge project," he said.=20 It took 26 trucks to transport the steel. I can`t believe how big=20 it`s ging to be and what it`s going to do for West Texas." Dean says buying "Greezed Lightning" will be good for Joyland and the=20 entire South Plains. "It will bring a wider range of people to the=20 area to ride the rollercoaster and they`ll also enjoy some area=20 attractions, too," he said.=20 Dean says the rollercoaster will no longer be called "Greezed=20 Lightning"; they`re actually planning to hold a contest on their=20 website, www.joylandpark.com, to let people in the area get involved=20 on what they think the coaster should be called. He says the contest=20 will start in the next few months. ---------- Copyright 2006, Mission Broadcasting, Inc. and KAMC ABC 28 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 13:45:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63404 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 21:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 21:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 21:45:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 21:45:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 21:45:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:45:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides should have ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IPdYCrTSqgkr7AmiWECxAh9FMuiOLv9QXrUk6qGuTyCFASA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Associated Press WFSB News 3 http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4610115&nav=3Dmenu120_2 WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Spurred by a woman whose son died at Playland,=20 state senators are considering a rating system for amusement park=20 rides, along the lines of movies labeled G, PG and R. The guide could be in place by this summer, said Sen. Nicholas=20 Spano. "We have no choice but to make immediate changes so that they=20 are in place prior to the opening of our amusement parks," he said. Spano spoke during a hearing held by the senate's Investigations and=20 Labor committees, prompted by 4 deaths at New York amusement parks=20 last year. He had just taken testimony from Elayne Cassara of=20 Norwalk, Conn., whose 7-y.o. son, Jon-Kely, died on Aug. 3 at the=20 Playland amusement park in Rye. Jon-Kely was on a ride called "Ye Olde Mill," in which boats move=20 gently through the dark through scenes populated by trolls and=20 gnomes. Investigations concluded that Jon-Kely climbed out of his=20 boat for some reason and then fell, dying instantly from blunt head=20 trauma. Cassara, who is suing Westchester County, the park's owner, testified=20 that she would never have allowed her son to get on the ride by=20 himself "had I been properly informed of the true nature of this=20 ride, that it was designed to frighten the patrons, leading them=20 through a long, dark, unsupervised, scary tunnel." Jon-Kely had passed the ride's 42" height requirement, but Cassara's=20 lawyer, Jeffrey Kimmel, told the senators that a height standard=20 is "incredibly and horribly insufficient," given that immature=20 children, the elderly and the mentally handicapped can get past=20 it. "We strongly believe that some kind of rating system for the=20 rides and games offered should be established," he said. "Is it dark?=20 Is it meant to scare or frighten? Is it fast? Is there water? Is it=20 appropriate for young children?" Kimmel noted that rating guides have been established for movies,=20 music and ski slopes. He said amusement parks nationwide should be=20 required to give all visitors a map or pamphlet describing each=20 attraction in detail, and the rating whether movie-like letters,=20 stars or some other symbol should be posted at the ride as well. Joseph Montalto, director of Playland, that since Jon-Kely's death,=20 patrons have been given brochures pointing out the dark rides. When=20 asked his reaction to a more detailed requirement, he said, "We would=20 consider anything. We want people to be informed. We want people to=20 be safe." He added, however, that "We find we end up sweeping up a=20 great many of the brochures we hand out." State Labor Commissioner Linda Angello testified that 2005 "was=20 something of an anomaly" and that there had been just 3 deaths at New=20 York amusement parks in the preceding quarter century. 4 deaths a=20 year is the average for the entire country. Besides the death at Playland, a patron and a worker died at=20 Adventureland in Farmingdale and a worker died at the state fair in=20 Syracuse. -------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WFSB From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Mar 15 13:54:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5132 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 21:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 21:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 21:54:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 21:54:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 21:54:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:54:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides should have ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=7zf00um7z8G4MFwt_RYHsiITielAEXEBjySTUSafunBWBWQhHN8JKA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Spurred by a woman whose son died at Playland,=20 > state senators are considering a rating system for amusement park=20 > rides, along the lines of movies labeled G, PG and R. I've posted about this here: http://masstort.org/masstort/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D1= 71 and here: http://masstort.org/masstort/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D1= 72 and here: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/2006/03/rating_amusemen.html Those posts link to those of Chad Emerson, another law prof. (These links may go over more than one line in your e-mail client; just cop= y and paste=20 them...) -Bill From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 15 14:03:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48272 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2FM3Tcb014670 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:03:29 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:03:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <843B17A7-A371-4CD8-BEA8-6D00AA27E86A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:03:20 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2006 22:03:29.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AB9C130:01C6487C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides should have ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=RHkRBsh1ObnsXIGrZLitGLb-2B56Fr8e5f0bBSAxHIPZwxic X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Spurred by a woman whose son died at Playland, > state senators are considering a rating system for amusement park > rides, along the lines of movies labeled G, PG and R. ?!?! She's not serious, is she?? So a ride that "moves gently through the dark through scenes populated by trolls and gnomes" would be rated R because it's "scary" .. and then what? Batman The Ride would be rated G ... someone then gets all pissed off because Batman is more intense than the G rating would imply. What a complete and utter "crock of schtimpy". Sounds more like something Absolutely Reliable would come up with.. Anyway it does say one thing .. that the US is truly a blessed country when people have nothing better to worry about than this nonsense. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Mar 15 14:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89955 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 22:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 22:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 22:27:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 22:27:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 22:27:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2006 22:27:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:27:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <843B17A7-A371-4CD8-BEA8-6D00AA27E86A@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides should have ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=rwTufqV7QO5-_R2DnyxDp9oCbga_GYaCr4RldVuHaEnhbf4GRsE54g X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > So a ride that "moves gently through the dark through scenes=20=20 > populated by trolls and gnomes" would be rated R because it's=20=20 > "scary" .. and then what? Batman The Ride would be rated G ...=20=20 > someone then gets all pissed off because Batman is more intense than=20=20 > the G rating would imply. As I posted on my blog, I think the idea (if there's any sense, anyway) is = that the rating=20 system would provide specifics like the movie ratings now have. So the rid= e might be "PG=20 (contains dark passages, mildly spooky animatronics, and a foul odor)" or s= omething like=20 that. I don't think state involvement makes sense, but a more thorough and= visible=20 description of what's inside a ride might not be a bad idea. But it'll pro= bably be ignored=20 just like the movie ratings are ignored by people who bring four-year-olds = to movies like=20 Saw. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 15 14:54:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34498 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2006 22:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2006 22:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2006 22:54:12 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2FMs1Sg016885 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:54:01 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:54:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <977E7DD1-1BCD-467A-827B-A52F987D838B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:54:00 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2006 22:54:01.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A0B1830:01C64883] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides should have ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fpQbAfhXV0oBNvk7oZd0AycGB3peQk7Y1nTB4KTS9AkCaY_J X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, Aren't there already signs posted near most rides that give descriptions? "This is a high-speed thrill ride that .. blaa blaa blaa" .. or "a terrifying journey through the swamps of despair". I actually can't think of any ride (especially any dark ride) that doesn't have such signs... I don't really care what parks do with regards to signs .. but government involvement is just ridiculous. The government should be left alone to run the country! Cameron. On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:27 PM, childswilliam wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: > >> So a ride that "moves gently through the dark through scenes >> populated by trolls and gnomes" would be rated R because it's >> "scary" .. and then what? Batman The Ride would be rated G ... >> someone then gets all pissed off because Batman is more intense than >> the G rating would imply. > > As I posted on my blog, I think the idea (if there's any sense, > anyway) is that the rating > system would provide specifics like the movie ratings now have. So > the ride might be "PG > (contains dark passages, mildly spooky animatronics, and a foul > odor)" or something like > that. I don't think state involvement makes sense, but a more > thorough and visible > description of what's inside a ride might not be a bad idea. But > it'll probably be ignored > just like the movie ratings are ignored by people who bring four- > year-olds to movies like > Saw. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Are we * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** there yet?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 03:05:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32399 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 11:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 11:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 11:05:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 11:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 11:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 11:05:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:05:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Parking Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=1BjVhXaGgWTjDZNa0WIvcRktlg8MBl9xi6Ya3rN3XeL5W3JIJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Just doing a little survey on parking fees. With some Six Flags parks = =20 > raising parking fees to > $15, just wondering how many would pay that, or would you just skip those=20=20 > parks this year > because that is way to high to park your car! Heck, some parks that's their=20=20 > admission or > wristband fee! I think its a little ridiculous that Six Flags charge a lot=20=20 > more to park than > Disney World. And, at Disney, you can go to 4 parks for the price of parking=20 > at one!=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Not Tokyo Disney Resort! Parking for both Sea and Land is 2000 yen, about 19-20 US Dollars depending on the exchange rate.=20 1000 yen is the standard everywhere else I've driven to here in Japan, but GrinPa near Mt. Fuji charges 500 yen to drive on what is essentially their driveway and 1000 yen 45 seconds later to park. It's a kiddy park, but it does have a great view. Chris B From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Mar 16 10:20:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94704 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 18:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 18:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 18:20:29 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:3780 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FJx4l-00044K-2c for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:19:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1142527319.337.5396.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1142527319.337.5396.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:19:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=Y-0xI1zEMaKwdQhaO8tU49rQyIjneExdrVOIsu09LxuVuwFAw5rXyA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > Aren't there already signs posted near most rides that give > descriptions? "This is a high-speed thrill ride that .. blaa blaa > blaa" .. or "a terrifying journey through the swamps of despair". I > actually can't think of any ride (especially any dark ride) that > doesn't have such signs... I'm not sure; my recollection is that those signs tend to be there in bigger chain parks, but less so in smaller places. But I don't know for sure. Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs at parks all over the country! From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Mar 16 10:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39663 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 18:22:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 18:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 18:20:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:20:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.190 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: Parking Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=QlYIvJFFUOktCMGW1Nfx93kYwp3YkBRZ7M3zvoRQzK3oN163_dA X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred If I plan a trip for holiday in other parks, I would not change=20 anything because parking fees. It this case, I would have to pay for=20 gaz, hotel... so it would not change anything to pay 10$ or 15$ for=20 parking. However, my behavior is different for my homepark - La Ronde. We are=20 fortunate enough to have an amusement park very close to Montreal=20 downtown, to which it is easy to go with subway system. When we go=20 to La Ronde, we won't pay 15$ for parking, as we didn't pay 12$ last=20 year and before. Fred --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Just doing a little survey on parking fees. With some Six Flags=20 parks=20=20 > raising parking fees to > $15, just wondering how many would pay that, or would you just skip=20 those=20=20 > parks this year > because that is way to high to park your car! Heck, some parks=20 that's their=20=20 > admission or > wristband fee! I think its a little ridiculous that Six Flags=20 charge a lot=20=20 > more to park than > Disney World. And, at Disney, you can go to 4 parks for the price=20 of parking=20 > at one!=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 16 11:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63467 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 19:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 19:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2GJbQVn012060 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:37:26 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:37:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1142527319.337.5396.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <96014501-5D3F-4D82-AD1D-52BC261824B5@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:37:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2006 19:37:26.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E24B670:01C64931] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=EX6TX0dc2Etq_o1OB6l6IUl85oDe9l2MFLIsKUxU7pfcqXIp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs > at parks all over the country! Oh man, where do I sign up?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I don't want the world, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I just want your half. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 12:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43024 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 20:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 20:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 20:39:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 20:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 20:39:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:39:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <96014501-5D3F-4D82-AD1D-52BC261824B5@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=S_fZLa86vxhvkrQR-WRCwAH9d3zzSXEZKl5MLTCUhc38J2A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 NO! Forget Cameron, I want to go! -Alan :p --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: >=20 > > Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs > > at parks all over the country! >=20 > Oh man, where do I sign up?! >=20 > Cameron. From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 12:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89115 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.116) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 20:49:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 98326 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2006 20:49:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060316204950.98324.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:49:50 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:49:50 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=z7qfZQcvo7Mm9TL7QissnGvZcflND6emaNtz35F27c-cFS6EeAq2UIjYYw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So do I, haha... We all could go around to amusement parks, take pictures of signs, and post them here. (Of course when amusement park season starts over here in Central PA.) (Sarcasm) Alan wrote: NO! Forget Cameron, I want to go! -Alan :p --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs > > at parks all over the country! > > Oh man, where do I sign up?! > > Cameron. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22961 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:02:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:02:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:02:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:02:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:02:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Theme Park Hunting Season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pRunAsIF1pv6rx9TVrGVwTMSJV3aPZ8GoTOj72EK6Zz1pLM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 16, 2006 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06031603.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Things are starting to look up for Six Flags. The new operating=20 season just getting under way for the regional amusement park=20 operator promises to be an intriguing one, given the company's fresh=20 outlook. The new management team "gets it" for the most part, and the=20 stock has risen by nearly 250% over the past year. Last week, I covered Mark Shapiro's 1st conference call as 6F's new=20 CEO. His realistic assessment of the shortcomings at the chain was=20 refreshing, and his family-friendly initiatives are mostly spot-on.=20 However, I promised to poke at some holes in Shapiro's otherwise=20 sound strategy. So let's go ahead and stuff the suggestion box with=20 some free advice for Shapiro to make the 2006 season - and beyond -=20 even stronger for 6F. Your pal, pricing One of the few troubling snippets from the conference call came when=20 Shapiro said he's seeking to standardize pricing across the 30 parks=20 in the chain. He pointed out how a slice of pizza at 6F Over Georgia=20 was far cheaper than a similar slice at Magic Mountain in California,=20 and he wanted a more universal pricing strategy. Perhaps that was=20 just a prelude to Papa John's taking over the company's pizza-tossing=20 business. But it's still a bothersome approach to me. Regional parks depend on locals, and every local economy is=20 different. Every 6F location is surrounded by unique wages, property=20 values, and disposable income levels. Even theater tickets and=20 overpriced multiplex concessions fluctuate from town to town. More=20 importantly, regulars at the lower-priced parks will feel stiffed if=20 uniform pricing prevails, and that's not something that may wash away=20 so easily. See, 6F will need its bargains. When I go to Holiday World, I know=20 I'm going to get free sodas. If I go to Knoebel's, I know I'm going=20 to binge on snow cones and pierogi for pocket change. Likewise, this=20 season, Cedar Fair is introducing sticks of cotton candy for a=20 quarter at its flagship Cedar Point and Knott's Berry Farm parks. You=20 can still charge a healthy premium for eats - quality eats - but you=20 need to have that midway bargain. That way, when someone at the=20 office on Monday claims that he or she got hosed at 6F over the=20 weekend with an $8 burger, a co-worker can chime in that the=20 complainer should go back and try the fried Twinkies for $0.99 by the=20 carousel. Even Disney, a company that can get away with bloody murder since it=20 services more ignorant out-of-towners than less-forgiving locals,=20 started to experiment with lower-priced soda and bottled water last=20 year. So while the intent of Shapiro's family-friendly makeover of 6F=20 is to position the destinations as "a more convenient Disney," he=20 can't also make 6F a more expensive Disney. An adult ticket will run=20 you a buck more at 6FMM than at nearby DL, and 6F is charging 50%=20 more than DL just to park your car there this season. Indubitably inherited indebtedness The company's $2.1 billion in debt isn't going to be wiped out=20 overnight. 6F is looking to produce adjusted earnings before=20 interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) of $340=20 million this season, but let's take a look at the ITDA portion. The=20 company paid out $183.5 million in net interest expense last year.=20 Taxes won't be a problem until the company turns a profit.=20 Depreciation and amortization make up a significant sum in accounting=20 terms, but they're also indicative of the high capital expenditures=20 necessary to keep parks exciting, especially for the jaded locals. Whittling down the debt organically would take ages, and that's why=20 the company is exploring the sale of some of its parks and the excess=20 land. It's already looking to bring in roughly $80 million once it=20 completes a deal for the Houston land where Astroworld once stood,=20 and a few more parks are likely to go between now and the start of=20 the 2007 operating season. Let's just hope that shareholders and=20 antsy creditors don't get too greedy and force 6F to slay its cash=20 cows. This season is going to be an eye-opener. I firmly believe that 6F=20 will make a lot more money than it thinks it will this year - on far=20 fewer turnstile clicks than it expects. The company's gargantuan debt=20 didn't allow it the logical luxury of fixing its parks 1st and=20 raising prices later, so it's putting the cart before the horse - or,=20 you might say, the hike before the smile. That's a shame, because=20 it's an approach sure to turn off a lot of people who would have been=20 ideal lifelong patrons. Yet if Shapiro's turnaround vision is true - and I do think he's on=20 the right track - I can assure you that he will live to regret nearly=20 each and every park, not to mention each and every parcel of=20 undeveloped land, that is ultimately sold off for milk money. Why? Because many of the initiatives that Shapiro & Dan Snyder have=20 been championing to make the parks more attractive to marketers,=20 given the captive audience, can be exploited in volume. It's not just=20 about advertisers counting heads. If 6F were to strike a deal with a=20 leading LCD- or plasma-television maker to retrofit its queues with=20 high-definition monitors in exchange for in-park ad time, such a deal=20 would raise customer satisfaction while it improved the cost=20 structure. After all, 6F could charge content providers and other=20 sponsors for airtime on the screens. If 6F chooses to unload parks based on what they produce now, it=20 could result in a grand near-term fiasco. 6F simply needs to use its=20 real estate more efficiently. Take a look at what CBS's Kings Island=20 did with Great Wolf Resorts. In exchange for a 16% interest, it is=20 leasing adjacent vacant land to GWR for a resort lodge bankrolled=20 entirely by GWR. Meanwhile, 6F has just 2 adjacent hotels at 2 of its=20 more obscure parks and is cooling on plans to build a 3rd hotel where=20 it is needed the most - next to 6FGAd park in New Jersey. Rather than wait for Roger Staubach's report on what to do with 6F's=20 dormant land later this month, how much easier would it be to=20 contract with a GWR or a Kalahari or any lodging juggernaut to build=20 resorts on someone else's dime? How easy would it be to erect=20 a "condotel" with investors and well-heeled park enthusiasts snapping=20 up rooms that would fund the project and still provide 6F with future=20 streams in management fees? Every parcel of land that it sells=20 instead of entering into negotiations with developers and prospective=20 tenants to build out shopping, dining, and entertainment districts is=20 a betrayal of the lessons that Shapiro should have learned when he=20 was an employee at ESPN - an arm of the Disney company that he seeks=20 to emulate. Build it, and the revenue streams will come 6F is in the process of upgrading its fleet of in-park digital=20 photographers as well as its website. Let's hope it realizes how to=20 put 2+2 together. I wrote an article a couple of years ago for=20 InterPark magazine on the merits of turning high-margin digital=20 photography into sticky website flypaper at the parks. Search-engine=20 giants are tripping over themselves to tap into the local search-ad=20 market, and here's 6F with access to a few million local visitors at=20 some of its busiest parks. Shapiro is on the right track. A better-trained staff, along with=20 experience-enhancing initiatives such as more character interactions,=20 hourly restroom checks, and more entertainment like concerts,=20 parades, and fireworks will make the parks stickier destinations=20 indeed. Now Shapiro just has to make sure the 6F website has the=20 interactive splendor to keep its guests close by, long after they=20 have left the park. 6F has the right to dream, as well as luxury to dream that dream on=20 the dime of its sponsors, patrons, and eventual developers. It's=20 unfortunate that 1st impressions in 2006 will produce a mixed=20 message. Let's hope it doesn't rattle Shapiro from staying the course=20 where his vision is true and from being flexible everywhere else. Regret is the ultimate spin-and-puke ride. ---------- =A91995-2006 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:10:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38343 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:10:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:10:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:10:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:10:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bureaucrats questioned theme park's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3vSwvEYVnMCD-ZaG1Iq6z0FCgtrYRGBzO1PnzOdXZDTy7Uo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 16 2006 CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/ns/story/ns-magicvalley20060316.html?ref=3Drss Greenhill, Nova Scotia, CA -- The Nova Scotia government gave a=20 $350,000 loan to an amusement park even after one of its own=20 departments questioned the viability of the business, documents show. The government documents were released Wednesday as part of a=20 legislative committee's investigation into the loan to Magic Valley=20 Family Fun Park, owned by 2 well-known Tory supporters and friends of=20 former premier John Hamm. Admissions had dropped since the mid-1980s, according to the=20 documents, and owners Bill & Celeste MacNeil blamed competition from=20 other amusement parks in the Maritimes. Their business plan for 2005=20 called for $3.7 million of public money over 3 years to turn things=20 around. But in a briefing note from October 2003, officials from the Tourism=20 Department and Nova Scotia Business Inc. suggested the park didn't=20 have a future. "The validity of this assertion is questionable as it=20 ignores a number of other factors," the note states, citing a list of=20 factors including the quality of the experience offered and marketing. The briefing note was sent to the tourism minister at the time,=20 Premier Rodney MacDonald. Opposition politicians are now asking why John Hamm's cabinet granted=20 a $350,000 loan to MVFFP earlier this year. The money is interest=20 free and does not have to be repaid if the park opens each summer for=20 the next 5 years. Practically every politician in Pictou County backed the proposal,=20 including MP Peter MacKay and New Democrat MLA Charlie Parker. All=20 argued the amusement park was important for tourism in the area. When cabinet approved the loan, MVFFP already owed the province more=20 than $200,000. It was a loan the owners hadn't made payments on for=20 years. Officials in the Office of Economic Development refused to comment on=20 the case Wednesday, saying they will discuss the loan in detail next=20 week in front of the all-party committee. The public accounts committee is also investigating a similar loan=20 worth $250,000 to S&J Potato Farms. The minister of economic development at the time, Ernie Fage,=20 resigned shortly after cabinet approved the 2 loans when it became=20 public that S&J leased land from him. ----------- =A9 CBC 2006 From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 16 13:12:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63464 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2GLBmdX017195 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:27 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060316204950.98324.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060316204950.98324.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7103DAE0-BCDB-4D6C-8C30-32E7DA4D83EB@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:11 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2006 21:12:12.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B430040:01C6493E] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=BRFO8oxYJJOp8XYUqhj-tSH4KOyjei0s9_uiQWnmegiJ-QRw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon OK .. line forms behind me..! Cameron. On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Brooke G. wrote: > So do I, haha... > > We all could go around to amusement parks, take pictures of > signs, and post them here. (Of course when amusement park season > starts over here in Central PA.) > > > (Sarcasm) > > Alan wrote: > NO! Forget Cameron, I want to go! > > -Alan :p > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: >> >>> Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs >>> at parks all over the country! >> >> Oh man, where do I sign up?! >> >> Cameron. > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Roller coaster Theme park > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52527 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:18:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:17:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:17:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:17:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:17:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood plans expansion study X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mYC-84yOcJsYyLsg6n9WHHWf1-w_rlATBTFHzSyxe5fi2Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03/16/2006 Daily News http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? newsid=3D16316732&BRD=3D1282&PAG=3D461&dept_id=3D182121&rfi=3D6 By DAVID WHIPKEY West Mifflin, PA -- With help from the West-to-West Coalition,=20 Kennywood Park is set to embark on a bright future. The West Mifflin-based amusement park has served the residents of the=20 Mon Valley and Western Pennsylvania for more than a century. Now the=20 park hopes to use the construction of the Mon/Fayette Expressway to=20 broaden its reach into Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland, Central and=20 Eastern Pennsylvania and beyond. With help from a $175,000 grant from WtWC, the park has the=20 opportunity to study the recently purchased 28 acres of land just=20 across the border in Duquesne. The land previously was used as a rail=20 yard for nearby steel mills and is located over a hillside near the=20 park. KW Director of Community Relations Andrew Quinn said WtWC worked with=20 the state Department of Community and Economic Development to procure=20 the funding. "They are responsible for all the paperwork that went=20 into this," he said. "We're very happy, especially with the new road=20 coming in. This will help out significantly." WtWC Director George Matta II said it will be the first time KW has=20 expanded into Duquesne. Matta said involving a neighboring community like Duquesne is=20 essential to both the park and the region's growth. WtWC Coordinator Steve Pholar said the opportunity for expansion is=20 funded by the First Industries Tourism planning grant. Pre- development planning, an environmental site assessment and=20 geotechnical evaluation of the brownfield site located over the=20 ravine, will be funded by the grant. The park is in the beginning stages of a $60 million expansion=20 project, which will include an indoor water park, hotel and other=20 signature entities, all of which will be built in Duquesne. Quinn said park access from major highways such as I-376 and the=20 Pennsylvania Turnpike is less than ideal. "But with the new highway=20 coming in, there is access from areas such as Columbus, and other=20 areas of Ohio and West Virginia," he said. "From areas like that, you=20 could take all interstate highway when the Mon/Fayette Expressway is=20 done. Right now, when you get off the Parkway East, you have to take=20 all secondary roads to get here." Quinn said no amusement park has been constructed away from a major=20 interstate highway since 1950. "Our marketability outside of Western=20 Pennsylvania will increase significantly," he said. Quinn said other lands such as a nearby shopping center also were=20 purchased, allowing for additional expansion. "We'll be able to have=20 what you would call a 'signature' ride or attraction, something that=20 hasn't been even thought of yet," Quinn said. Charles Martoni, a member of Allegheny County Council and the WtWC,=20 said partnering with KW makes perfect economical sense. "It is=20 probably the most important business attraction in the Mon Valley, if=20 not this part of the state," he said. "All the attributes are there=20 to see it expand even more." WtWC is a non-profit organization formed in the late 1990s and works=20 to clean up and help develop brownfield industrial sites between West=20 Homestead and West Elizabeth. Pholar said planning and conceptualizing is essential in the=20 project's early stages. "Although the portion of the Mon/Fayette=20 Expressway essential to KW's expansion is not slated for completion=20 until 2015, it is important the planned expansion be conceptualized=20 and partially engineered now," Pholar said. Pholar said statewide government revenue impact of KW, Sandcastle=20 Waterpark in West Homestead and Idlewild Park in Ligonier was more=20 than $9 million in 2004. Expansion and growth of the park is slated to expand its market=20 radius to 200 miles, Pholar said. The development also is expected to eliminate numerous underused=20 properties that have become eyesores to the surrounding communities. ------- =A9The Daily News 2006 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:30:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3269 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:30:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:30:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:30:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Trail signs give place to location X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SxOnSDJMM80ujRPv_RhXz6IqZfH4AQJPe6UyfuENWz6Qykc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03/16/06 The Courior News On-line http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/city/3_1_EL16_A3TRAIL_S 1.htm By Janelle Walker=20 ELGIN, Ill -=97 Standing in Trout Park, along the Fox River on the=20 city's north end, it is impossible to tell that the site used to be=20 home to an amusement park. Bicyclists passing through Elgin on the Fox River Trail =97 part of the=20 larger Grand Illinois Trail =97 may not realize they are in one of the=20 older communities in Illinois that has worked diligently to restore=20 its downtown. Soon, 2 new interpretive signs will help those traveling on the=20 area's bike trails to gain a better idea of where they are =97 and what=20 the area's history is. "These signs don't just say 'You are here,'=20 but tell you where you are," said Robert Grossinger, LaSalle Bank VP=20 for community and sustainable development. "It tells you the history=20 of where you are." The new signs were unveiled Wednesday during a reception at LaSalle=20 Bank, 2000 Big Timber Road. LaSalle sponsored the signs, working with=20 the Openlands Project and local communities to create signs=20 significant to the areas where they will be placed. The Trout Park sign includes photos of the amusement park, complete=20 with roller coaster, that once stood near the Fox River. It also=20 gives mileage estimates to other places bikers can get to from that=20 spot =97 including Chicago's Navy Pier, a mere 57 miles away. Elgin's downtown sign will be placed along the path near city hall.=20 That sign includes pictures of Elgin's downtown. Both of the signs not only show the rider's location on the trail but=20 also describe the area's natural features, nearby street names, and=20 towns and other sites coming up on the trail. The signs are state-of-the-art, said George Bellovics, GIT=20 coordinator with the state's natural resources department. They weigh about 60 lbs. each and are designed to be resistant to=20 both graffiti and fire damage. Of the 12 signs being placed along the 500-mile circuitous GIT, Elgin=20 is the only community getting 2, officials said. Elgin Parks Superintendent Jim Bell had a lot to do with getting 2=20 signs in Elgin. As LaSalle Bank is a major sponsor of the signs, it was looking for=20 locations where the bank has branch offices, Bell said. That is why=20 downtown Elgin was chosen. He asked for the second sign at Trout Park. "Now, with the help of=20 Kane County, we have a lot more natural areas there," Bell said. With=20 the park's storied past, he added, "it is a highlight on the trail." Elgin has other signs marking its bike paths, but none are as=20 extensive as the GIT signs, Bell added. In some ways, the signs and other interpretive materials tie in with=20 what Elgin City Councilman Dave Kaptain hopes to do with his=20 proposals for a "fish hotel" and a Fox River Interpretive Center,=20 possibly located at the Gail Borden Public Library. "They also draw=20 visitors to the community as well," said Sue Olafson, a spokeswoman=20 for the city. Other signs will be installed in McHenry County, as well as in=20 Frankfort, Lansing, Elmhurst, Wheaton, Calumet and Wolf Lake, among=20 others. ------------ =A9 2006 Digital Chicago & Sun-Times News Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:37:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83885 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:37:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:37:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:37:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sizzler inspector pleads guilty to manslaughter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VriG6-pM1g6Yi8rkjcOSDlHExvBC6VUWek9eNNsF6tf65gw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 16, 2006 Daily News http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg? articleid=3D124614&format=3Dtext By Joyce Kelly WORCESTER, MA -- A Florida maintenance supervisor was sentenced to=20 2.5 years probation after pleading guilty yesterday to involuntary=20 manslaughter in the death of a Shrewsbury man killed when he was=20 thrown from a Sizzler amusement park ride. Brian R. McCollough, 40, of Hernando, entered the plea in Worcester=20 Superior Court - a plea that did not surprise the victim's family,=20 members said. Andrew Fohlin, 38, died at St. Mary's Church festival in Shrewsbury=20 when the spinning Sizzler ride came apart in midair and flung him to=20 the ground on Sept. 19, 2004. Fohlin died when he struck the pavement. David Mills, 49, was also thrown to the ground and suffered a serious=20 head injury. Another rider, Diane Derosier, was injured by flying=20 debris. McCollough was charged in Fohlin's death because he was responsible=20 for the repair, inspection, and supervision of the Sizzler ride. He=20 was indicted by a grand jury on charges of involuntary manslaughter=20 last June. Judge John S. McCann sentenced him to probation although prosecutors=20 had recommended he serve jail time. "I knew what was going to happen=20 in court (yesterday)," said Harold B. Fohlin, Andrew's father. "I=20 don't know whether that was just or not - the system is what it is,=20 and we have to accept that." Fohlin's family said a civil suit is under way against Jaro=20 Amusements, the firm McCollough worked for at the time of the=20 accident. Fohlin's sister, Sylvia, said she was satisfied with the outcome. "I=20 think the judge had time to consider the options ahead of time, and=20 he listened to what everyone had to say, and used his best judgment.=20 We're satisfied," she said. "... It's a relief to have the criminal process behind us," she said. The family also feels "very gratified" with the overhaul of safety=20 regulations in the amusement industry that were put in place after=20 Fohlin's death last year. "At the same time, this is not completely=20 over," Sylvia Fohlin said. "Emotionally, it doesn't just go away -=20 it's with us every single day, and we live without Drew, and grieve=20 him every time there's a holiday or a birthday... "That doesn't change when the criminal proceeding is over," she said. There are aspects of the accident that have yet to be accounted for,=20 she said. "The bigger picture about how it happened doesn't feel over=20 to me and the family. "Mr. McCollough was an employee of a company (Jaro Amusements), and a=20 company that apparently did nothing to ensure ride safety, and that=20 wasn't addressed through the criminal proceedings. There are more=20 issues at play that couldn't be addressed," she said. The family is working with Boston attorneys to pursue a civil suit,=20 she said. At the time of the accident Andrew Fohlin was resident of the Glavin=20 Regional Center in Shrewsbury, a state-run group home for the=20 mentally disabled. -------- Copyright of CNC and Herald Interactive Advertising Systems, Inc. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 16 13:40:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:40:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:40:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:40:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060316204950.98324.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=CdapYEvOUaooeDUmFc_eRGjZfFikJq1mLX1VmT8-0RMnbhU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > > Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs > > > at parks all over the country! > >=20 > > Oh man, where do I sign up?! > >=20 > > Cameron. > Alan wrote: > NO! Forget Cameron, I want to go! >=20 > -Alan :p >=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brooke G." wrote: > > So do I, haha... >=20=20=20=20 (Sarcasm) >=20 Alright, I think is where I need to step in as the keeper and maintainer of the list, and speak out what obviously needs to be said and get this all straightened out... I get dibs to go cause I said so!! :P Seriously though, I can't think of any parks or places offhand that I haven't seen at least some sort of warning signs posted up at the rides. Even the mini-golf places with a couple of rides have something posted as a warning sign. This whole "ride rating" system jsut seems to be to be little more than a woman wanting to strike out at a system to make up for her not taking responsibility for her own child and it resulting in a horrible trajedy. It's not going to bring the child back, it's not going to erase her loss or pain, and it's not going to do anything to help anyone. It's just going to be a waste of time, money, and aggravation without accomplishing anything. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:43:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55224 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:43:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:43:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:43:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Knott's Berry Farm Reduces Prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=h6cV3c1fVt4WZ2Jl5vp_CSmvoI2256KXtehQBgklXVZlp-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 13, 2006 The Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20060313/ap_tr_ge/travel_brief_knott _s_berry_farm_1 Buena Park, CA -- Knott's Berry Farm is dialing back prices for adult=20 admission and cotton candy in hopes the move will boost traffic at=20 the amusement park. For the new season, the amusement park is charging $39.95 for an=20 adult ticket, down 11% from last season's $45. It has also trimmed=20 the price of cotton candy by a quarter to $2.75. Compared to other area theme parks, adult ticket prices for=20 Disneyland in Anaheim cost $59, while Universal Studios Hollywood=20 charges $56. A comparable ticket at Six Flags Magic Mountain in=20 Valencia costs $59.99. Officials at Sandusky, Ohio-based Cedar Fair, which bought KBF in=20 1997, said the price reductions were designed to keep a visit to the=20 amusement park affordable to the average consumer. In the last 6 years, the amusement park sector has had to weather a=20 drop-off in tourism following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the=20 economic slowdown and severe weather last year. Last year, KBF drew roughly 3.5 million people, while DL had some=20 14.5 million attendees. -------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 13:55:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28968 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 21:55:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 21:55:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:55:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Illinois' first indoor water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oW1lKa4weXySibehMJHWxFSsD2B6RCQcMbynh867z0iJ2Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 4, 2006=20 Associated Press The Times http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2006/03/16/your_saturday/one_tank_tri p/f7fa93c72b300d4686257124007ac9a0.txt BY JAN DENNIS Utica, Ill. -- Grizzly Jack's Grand Bear Lodge, Illinois' 1st indoor=20 water park complex and resort, has opened about 90 miles southwest of=20 Chicago in Utica, and officials are hoping the resort will attract=20 some vacationers who usually head to the famed water parks of=20 Wisconsin Dells. The 24,000-sq-ft water park is the 1st in the nation with sound and=20 motion technology that takes swimmers through virtual reality=20 adventures such as sliding into a bear or shark's mouth, said Dan=20 Gundrum, a board member for the 2,500-member World Waterpark=20 Association. "It's really great. Realistic. I recommend it," 11-y.o.=20 Nick Mitrovich of Park Ridge said after his 30-second ride through=20 the 330'-long tube. Utica Mayor Fred Esmond said the lodge also is an economic and=20 emotional boost for the area following an April 2004 tornado that=20 left 8 people dead and damaged or destroyed a quarter of the=20 buildings in this town of less than 1,000 people. "I think it's a=20 chance for us to say let's not look at the past so much, let's look=20 at the future. The future looks good," Esmond said. The resort, which cost $90 million to build, opened June 30 and=20 logged some 40,000 inquiries in its first 2 weeks of operations, said=20 spokesman Michael Hatt. The water park is only open to guests staying at the lodge; day=20 passes are not available. It is located near Starved Rock, Illinois'=20 most popular state park, which had more than 2.1 million visitors=20 last year. Right now Illinois residents spend up to $700 million a year in=20 Wisconsin Dells, a year-round vacation mecca for Midwesterners, with=20 18 indoor and 3 outdoor water parks and other local attractions. "I=20 long for the day to see thousands of Wisconsin license plates in our=20 Illinois water parks," said Marc Gordon, president and CEO of the=20 Illinois Hotel & Lodging Association. But Wisconsin Dells will continue to call itself the "Waterpark=20 Capital of the World," said Steve Shattuck, spokesman for its visitor=20 and convention bureau. "When a family wants to take a water park=20 vacation, we hear all the time that Wisconsin Dells is at the top of=20 their list because we have the biggest, fastest and wettest of=20 everything," he said. "We don't see that changing." Restaurants, conference facilities, an arcade and 18-hole miniature=20 golf course also are available at the privately developed Grand Bear=20 Lodge, where a robotic trapper and bear greet guests in the front=20 lobby. Accommodations include 100 two-story villas that sleep up to 10=20 people. 40 more villas will open by the end of the year, along with=20 56 log cabins that sleep up to 18 people, an indoor amusement park=20 and spa, Hatt said. Because GBL will be open year-round, officials hope its indoor=20 attractions will keep the tourists coming in the dead of winter as=20 well. Jan Kostner, deputy director of the Illinois Department of Tourism,=20 said the resort could draw an extra 200,000 people a year to Starved=20 Rock. The resort also could attract spinoff businesses to the area such as=20 restaurants, shops and wineries, and new water parks could sprout=20 from Chicago's suburbs to Rockford, tourism officials said. "I think=20 this is really just the beginning," Kostner said. Utica business owners hope the resort helps boost sales they say=20 dipped last year after some Starved Rock visitors mistakenly thought=20 the tornado had paralyzed downtown restaurants, taverns and=20 shops. "We've seen some increase in business, but we've got a long=20 way to go yet," said Lisle Elsbury, who said sales at his restaurant=20 and tavern decreased 30 percent last year and are still down up to=20 15%. "I think when a community has had a tragedy like they've endured this=20 can help bring things back, both in terms of enthusiasm and morale as=20 well as the economics," said Gordon. What to bring ... * A swimsuit to enjoy all the water rides. * A suitcase to spend the night, only those with hotel accommodations=20 allowed in the water park. * Extra money for arcade, sports bar, pizza and gift shops. If you go ... * Grizzly Jack's Grand Bear Lodge, Route 178, Utica, Ill., (866) 399- 3866, www.grandbearlodge.com. * Starved Rock Park, Route 178, Utica, Ill., (815) 667-4726 or=20 www.dnr.state.il.us/lands/landmgt/parks/i&m/east/starve/park.htm. How to get there ... The resort is located just 1.5 hours from Chicago. Take I-80/94 west=20 to I-80 west to SR-71 south (exit 93) through Ottawa, Ill., to=20 Highway 178 north. Grand Bear Lodge is 1/2 mile on the left side=20 (west) in Utica, Ill. You'll like ... Only guests staying at the lodge may use the water park, no day=20 passes are allowed. The 60 wooded acres that offer all of nature's=20 wonders plus a 24,000-sq-ft indoor water park full of heart-pounding=20 thrills such as the first motion and sound adventure water slide. The=20 slide is a wild water experience loaded with incredible visual=20 effects. Costs ... Room rates include water park family admission at Grizzly Jack's.=20 Midweek prices during offpeak dates range from $169 nightly for a=20 king room to $209 for a whirlpool suite. There is a 2-night minimum=20 for weekends, when rates range from $249 nightly to $299. Villas that=20 sleep up to 10 rent for $289 during the week and $399 on weekends. Kids will like ... The Enchanted Forest, coming soon, will feature 9 thrilling full- sized rides. One of the rides is The Eclipse, which will be only one=20 of 3 in the world. A full-service pizza parlor can be enjoyed in the=20 Enchanted Forest or can be delivered straight to your room. Kids of all ages also will love the 3,500-sq-ft bear-size cave arcade=20 with over 60 exciting games to play. There are high-tech video=20 machines, ticket redemption games such as skeeball, and prize=20 dispensing machines with items such as plush toys. Don't miss ... The 32", 240'-long body slide chock-full of twists and turns or the=20 240't lazy river at the water park. Also, be sure to check out the=20 rock grotto waterfall. ---------- =A9 1996-2006 nwitimes.com From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 14:06:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76257 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 22:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 22:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 22:06:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 32364 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2006 22:06:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060316220636.32362.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:06:36 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:06:36 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Kennywood plans expansion study X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=9pf5T8fZhZHsGNBt-DbbryYI31CVsFqO4qz4gri2RgMYu_9yO6sCKKIw8A X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I heard about this a while ago... =20=20=20 Ah, Kennywood, the best park in the world.=20 =20=20=20 I go once or twice every year, can't wait!!! Even though it is a few hour= s away (I live in Central PA), my grandma lives around Pittsburgh and growi= ng up it was my mom's hometown park. Alan wrote: 03/16/2006 Daily News http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? newsid=3D16316732&BRD=3D1282&PAG=3D461&dept_id=3D182121&rfi=3D6 By DAVID WHIPKEY West Mifflin, PA -- With help from the West-to-West Coalition,=20 Kennywood Park is set to embark on a bright future. The West Mifflin-based amusement park has served the residents of the=20 Mon Valley and Western Pennsylvania for more than a century. Now the=20 park hopes to use the construction of the Mon/Fayette Expressway to=20 broaden its reach into Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland, Central and=20 Eastern Pennsylvania and beyond. With help from a $175,000 grant from WtWC, the park has the=20 opportunity to study the recently purchased 28 acres of land just=20 across the border in Duquesne. The land previously was used as a rail=20 yard for nearby steel mills and is located over a hillside near the=20 park. KW Director of Community Relations Andrew Quinn said WtWC worked with=20 the state Department of Community and Economic Development to procure=20 the funding. "They are responsible for all the paperwork that went=20 into this," he said. "We're very happy, especially with the new road=20 coming in. This will help out significantly." WtWC Director George Matta II said it will be the first time KW has=20 expanded into Duquesne. Matta said involving a neighboring community like Duquesne is=20 essential to both the park and the region's growth. WtWC Coordinator Steve Pholar said the opportunity for expansion is=20 funded by the First Industries Tourism planning grant. Pre- development planning, an environmental site assessment and=20 geotechnical evaluation of the brownfield site located over the=20 ravine, will be funded by the grant. The park is in the beginning stages of a $60 million expansion=20 project, which will include an indoor water park, hotel and other=20 signature entities, all of which will be built in Duquesne. Quinn said park access from major highways such as I-376 and the=20 Pennsylvania Turnpike is less than ideal. "But with the new highway=20 coming in, there is access from areas such as Columbus, and other=20 areas of Ohio and West Virginia," he said. "From areas like that, you=20 could take all interstate highway when the Mon/Fayette Expressway is=20 done. Right now, when you get off the Parkway East, you have to take=20 all secondary roads to get here." Quinn said no amusement park has been constructed away from a major=20 interstate highway since 1950. "Our marketability outside of Western=20 Pennsylvania will increase significantly," he said. Quinn said other lands such as a nearby shopping center also were=20 purchased, allowing for additional expansion. "We'll be able to have=20 what you would call a 'signature' ride or attraction, something that=20 hasn't been even thought of yet," Quinn said. Charles Martoni, a member of Allegheny County Council and the WtWC,=20 said partnering with KW makes perfect economical sense. "It is=20 probably the most important business attraction in the Mon Valley, if=20 not this part of the state," he said. "All the attributes are there=20 to see it expand even more." WtWC is a non-profit organization formed in the late 1990s and works=20 to clean up and help develop brownfield industrial sites between West=20 Homestead and West Elizabeth. Pholar said planning and conceptualizing is essential in the=20 project's early stages. "Although the portion of the Mon/Fayette=20 Expressway essential to KW's expansion is not slated for completion=20 until 2015, it is important the planned expansion be conceptualized=20 and partially engineered now," Pholar said. Pholar said statewide government revenue impact of KW, Sandcastle=20 Waterpark in West Homestead and Idlewild Park in Ligonier was more=20 than $9 million in 2004. Expansion and growth of the park is slated to expand its market=20 radius to 200 miles, Pholar said. The development also is expected to eliminate numerous underused=20 properties that have become eyesores to the surrounding communities. ------- =A9The Daily News 2006 Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 15:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12668 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 23:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 23:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.56) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 23:12:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 50133 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2006 23:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060316231244.50131.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.239.232] by web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:44 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:12:44 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142527319.337.5396.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=4hfahh9xiRCc2lfh1ShWWBN-kfnjHguFUB4bjwWZno2zrwBx-qs_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that this is an odd idea, but it would certainly turn out odder in its implementation, I'm sure. King's Dominion already does this, and it makes no sense to me. They call the Eiffel Tower a mild thrill ride, but if you have a fear of heights it would be absolutlely terrifying. Thrills are a very subjective thing. I don't see how they can create a blanket rating system. I consider The Beast pretty mild as a coaster, but to others it would be death-defying. Movie rating systems allude to content within the movies: profanity, violence, etc... I don't know how you would assess a ride along similar lines. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 16 15:41:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55679 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 23:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2006 23:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 23:40:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2006 23:39:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:39:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.64.253.248 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=fqnO_e6h-RrFUQoajjXvuG2s-AL09DZ63WrvPhoiNWlRGqeLy9_wvMrUWkvv3Nw X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Six Flags Over Texas Accident Injures 5 Save It Email It Print It=20 (CBS 11 News) ARLINGTON Five people are recovering after being=20 injured at Six Flags Over Texas on Sunday night. Park officials say there was an unexpected interruption on=20 the `Texas Tornado' circular swing ride after a mechanical bearings=20 failure at the top of the ride.=20 A statement issued by Six Flags Over Texas representatives on Monday=20 says, "emergency protocol was followed to the letter and the backup=20 safety system went into action. The safety mechanism stopped the=20 rotation and the ride was lowered abruptly, causing it to come down=20 at a faster rate. This action led to some of the ride chairs being=20 jarred." Four guests were treated for minor injuries at the park's first aid=20 area. Another adult woman who complained of back pain was taken to an area=20 hospital for evaluation. The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster,=20 while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has=20 been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by=20 engineers before opening again.=20 (CBS 11 News) =20 From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 16:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30402 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 00:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 00:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 00:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39556 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2006 00:30:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317003033.39551.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:30:33 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:30:33 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=-sQZrhzz1cdmT_YboQqqSm0ubl8RUxiPwxzoId-y_a4GBFhUI50b7SPwvA X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh I think I've read about that on Theme Park Insider. What is up with all these Six Flags accidents lately? cwbyfn4evr63 wrote: Six Flags Over Texas Accident Injures 5 Save It Email It Print It (CBS 11 News) ARLINGTON Five people are recovering after being injured at Six Flags Over Texas on Sunday night. Park officials say there was an unexpected interruption on the `Texas Tornado' circular swing ride after a mechanical bearings failure at the top of the ride. A statement issued by Six Flags Over Texas representatives on Monday says, "emergency protocol was followed to the letter and the backup safety system went into action. The safety mechanism stopped the rotation and the ride was lowered abruptly, causing it to come down at a faster rate. This action led to some of the ride chairs being jarred." Four guests were treated for minor injuries at the park's first aid area. Another adult woman who complained of back pain was taken to an area hospital for evaluation. The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster, while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by engineers before opening again. (CBS 11 News) Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 16:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37642 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 00:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 00:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 00:36:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17211 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2006 00:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317003656.17209.qmail@web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:56 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:56 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060316231244.50131.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=W03asGMQBB1IQB5HQHdelidRUVo60jB2yG6x8HgTtdH36JIXhs6yC3IGMw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. Hersheypark does this too, but none of the ratings make sense to me at all, so I guess it depends who you are. Like, for example: RIDE NAME Canyon River Rapids Description Riders are guaranteed to get drenched during this four minute white-water adventure that winds through five acres of canyon walls and waterfalls. Ride RATING High Thrill Ride - This is a fast-paced ride experience with unexpected changes in speed, direction, and/or elevation. This ride may contain significant twists, turns, bumps, spins, and loops, and requires rider full body control. Canyon River Rapids - 4 out of 5??? I would rate the Canyon River Rapids this: Ride RATING Mild Thrill Ride - This is a low to medium speed ride with expected changes in elevation and speed. This ride may require some rider body control and is not intended for unaccompanied toddlers or very young children. Jay Ducharme wrote: I agree that this is an odd idea, but it would certainly turn out odder in its implementation, I'm sure. King's Dominion already does this, and it makes no sense to me. They call the Eiffel Tower a mild thrill ride, but if you have a fear of heights it would be absolutlely terrifying. Thrills are a very subjective thing. I don't see how they can create a blanket rating system. I consider The Beast pretty mild as a coaster, but to others it would be death-defying. Movie rating systems allude to content within the movies: profanity, violence, etc... I don't know how you would assess a ride along similar lines. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 18:43:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8308 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:43:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.57 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=8vb8iPH8Fuv0grtuncd0wl1w5DHnR8Sy8iy-FRkjpTpiW1oNfMB0pMA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs wrote: > > > Aren't there already signs posted near most rides that give > > descriptions? "This is a high-speed thrill ride that .. blaa blaa > > blaa" .. or "a terrifying journey through the swamps of despair". I > > actually can't think of any ride (especially any dark ride) that > > doesn't have such signs... >=20 > I'm not sure; my recollection is that those signs tend to be there in=20 > bigger chain parks, but less so in smaller places. But I don't know=20 > for sure. Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs=20 > at parks all over the country! > The main problem I have with these is that they all seem rather "generic", rather than tailored to the ride itself.. I don't think they are necessary for an outdoor ride where you can see exactly what happens, but for indoor rides may be helpful. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 18:51:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51072 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 02:51:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:50:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:50:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7103DAE0-BCDB-4D6C-8C30-32E7DA4D83EB@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.57 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=nQRyD2xGdq6lcdelzGAnhEhld9Vrh4WBdJI6vfEtn8AfdnGZlSm_00c X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > OK .. line forms behind me..! Queue jumpers will be shot, hung, drawn and quartered, and fed to the lions... ;) >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Brooke G. wrote: >=20 > > So do I, haha... > > > > We all could go around to amusement parks, take pictures of=20=20 > > signs, and post them here. (Of course when amusement park season=20=20 > > starts over here in Central PA.) > > > > > > (Sarcasm) > > > > Alan wrote: > > NO! Forget Cameron, I want to go! > > > > -Alan :p > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > > wrote: > >> > >>> Maybe I can get funding to go take pictures of warning signs > >>> at parks all over the country! > >> > >> Oh man, where do I sign up?! > >> > >> Cameron. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Roller coaster Theme park > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20=20 > > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ > > > >=20=09=09 > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o > cameron@... ** Grapefruit! * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 18:58:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25227 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 02:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 02:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 02:58:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:58:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 02:58:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:58:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060317003656.17209.qmail@web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.57 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=ANuw_wzSxmy1OSekjBWK32QxLJK-7sit3KXhusl90Kq43mPpT_Y35Dc X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brooke G." wrote: > > I agree. >=20=20=20=20 > Hersheypark does this too, but none of the ratings make sense to me at all, so I guess it depends who you are. >=20=20=20=20 Personally, I found python at busch gardens was far rougher than either kumba or montu, but because it's short and only has 2 loops it would probably get a lower rating.. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 19:08:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35015 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 03:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 03:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 03:08:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 03:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 03:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 03:08:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:08:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.57 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: POSTCARD ;) : Dear all, Having a lovely time! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=tjeoSKsQb43lEDWkfqKZa2dssSspx5A87Rmzq6WEYKRvgEPHpLvaWeg X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus having a great hol so far in orlando! Saturday, did universal islands, had the express plus pass, which was handy - but queue times were only about 45 mins max.. did all the big stuff, and had time for rerides on spiderman (awesome, and tame enough for anyone), the fire side on dueling dragons (better than ice) and hulk (Which is great at night) Sunday - universal studios, again had express plus - but really wasn't necessary, queues were all under 30 mins! Shrek was cool, men in black was fun and revenge of the mummy was phenomenal (we have nothing even close to that in the uk) - had time for some repeats, and went bakc to IOA for spiderman and hulk again!! Monday - did sea world, kraken is much better from the front. But was upset cos shamu didn't soak me... ;) Wednesday and thursday I did busch gardens - Magnificent place (not just saying that cos George is on here..) - did all the coasters- montu, kumba, gwazi(mental) and shei-kra twice, few shows, and splashed out on the safari tour and fed Bettina the giraffe and a couple of antelope... Despite warnings I stayed overnight in the safari lodge - the room was ok-ish, and the bathroom had new tiles, but mildew on the ceiling, and a well stained door... glad I had the extra few hours in the park (the shuttle bus left at 5..) Forgot my camera, and couldn't stop thinking that it would be a shame to come and not get some pics... so I'm changing my plan and having another day there next week! wish you were here!! :D From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Mar 16 19:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27654 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 03:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 03:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 03:13:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 03:13:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 03:13:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:13:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=ISZ0GvBkWgTWT2ZQR5xciaOMVe4PzDCF4TGmXIYtohL4F0YGRm4e1g X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > The main problem I have with these is that they all seem rather > "generic", rather than tailored to the ride itself.. I think that varies a lot, but that's some of the point I tried to make on = masstort.org.=20=20 Another problem is overwarning (which happens in lots of contexts), where e= ven the=20 mildest ride is made to sound rough and scary to avoid people saying "You n= ever told me=20 [whatever]!" I think Jay alluded to the movie ratings; here's what I wrote about that on= my site: Until 1990, the film ratings were just the letter ratings and nothing more,= and parents=20 would have to guess at why one movie was an R while another was PG-13. But now, you'll observe, they tell you why something is "R" (e.g., "strong = violence and some=20 intense cartoon violence"). The reasons are available at filmratings.com, a= long with an=20 interesting if self-serving history of the system. Sometime after 1990, the= y've started to=20 add the reasons to all ratings, not just R, and more recently started to in= clude those=20 reasons in the little ratings boxes in ads and such. So I know that Dave Chappelle's Block Party is rated R for language and not= hing more,=20 while the (utterly unnecessary) remake of The Hills Have Eyes is R for "str= ong gruesome=20 violence and terror throughout, and for language." I do think that detailed ratings could have some value for parks, albeit li= mited value. Many=20 parks already have detailed descriptions (e.g., "This is a high-intensity c= oaster with fast=20 movement and surprising drops."), but most of the height restrictions, etc.= , don't tell you=20 what happens in the ride, serving as a filtering device rather than an info= rmation device. I don't, to be clear, believe that most people could be genuinely surprised= that the Old Mill=20 at Playland has dark ride components, but there are some rides where what h= appens=20 inside might be a genuine surprise to a parent. In those settings, it seems= that more=20 information could be better. I know, for example, that my six-year-old daughter Ella is likely to freak = out at even a=20 low-intensity dark ride while she loves wooden coasters. (I wouldn't let he= r ride either=20 without me at this point, but could imagine a time where I'd let her ride a= coaster solo but=20 not a dark ride.) Other kids presumably have different tastes and fears. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 04:23:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8718 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 12:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 12:23:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 12:23:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 12:23:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 12:23:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:23:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060316231244.50131.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.155 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Grieving mother says amusement park rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=iqv_aylsxy-JVFtK_mVt5GuNGaDR1HdIUk_WfrEn1l1jwt0YAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > I agree that this is an odd idea, but it would certainly turn out odder in its implementation, I'm sure. King's Dominion already does this, and it makes no sense to me. They call the Eiffel Tower a mild thrill ride, but if you have a fear of heights it would be absolutlely terrifying. Thrills are a very subjective thing. I don't see how they can create a blanket rating system. I consider The Beast pretty mild as a coaster, but to others it would be death-defying. Movie rating systems allude to content within the movies: profanity, violence, etc... I don't know how you would assess a ride along similar lines. >=20 > Jay Maybe more specific statistics? Heights, maximum g's experienced, top speeds, etc. For non-coasters, especially dark and haunted houses, it would be tough without ruining the thrills for those who want to be surprised, but letting folks know what's coming isn't a terrible idea, IMO, it's just difficult to standardize this concept across an industry where being unique is important.=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 06:34:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47464 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.202) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 14:34:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 45130 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2006 14:34:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317143434.45128.qmail@web42201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:34:34 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:34:34 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Fwd: the latest from the IJTC construction site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=snYUWAj4g98SVz_6dKLeaSFx4gr4XZObz9hYEFBmLQ0cf27p X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "Storey, Susan" wrote: > Subject: the latest from the IJTC construction site > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:06:42 -0500 > From: "Storey, Susan" > > > Good afternoon PKD fans: > > > > Progress continues on the Italian Job Turbo Coaster. > Each day > additional track is put up and further work is done > to get the park's > cool new coaster ready for your enjoyment. The > attraction's two > "chasing" police cars have also arrived. Photos > taken yesterday are now > available online at: > http://www1.paramountparks.com/KingsDominion/news/list.cfm?mc_id=79 > > > > Don't forget - opening day is on Saturday, April 1. > > > > > > > > Susan L. Storey, APR > > Public Relations Manager > > Paramount's Kings Dominion > > O: 804-876-5335 > > C: 804-994-3481 > > E: susan.storey@paramountparks.com > > > > > Media Center: www.KingsDominion.com/News > > > Speeding into 2006: THE ITALIAN JOB TURBO COASTER! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 06:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5777 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 14:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 14:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.207) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 14:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 90445 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2006 14:38:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317143801.90433.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:38:01 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:38:01 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Parking Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=KLRi7BObnqc7BvsKGCA_MRHQEGYOAX4cujxWh28P_hd7qVxX X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > Just doing a little survey on parking fees. With > some Six Flags parks > raising parking fees to > $15, just wondering how many would pay that, or > would you just skip those > parks this year > because that is way to high to park your car! Fifteen dollars is not going to make or break me going to a park. I mean really, that's only 3 Black & Tans at the nearby pub. (In honor of St Patricks Day) jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Mar 17 07:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 681 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 15:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 15:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 15:51:31 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d42so230417pyd for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr729073pyl; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:51:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.50.237.58]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n40sm1041220pyg.2006.03.17.07.51.30; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:51:30 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZJbq8gmQBS0YdwSvi3yw8mUqLaewAa9gtw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <441adb02.4cc262fb.7777.ffff825e@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Kla3oe3_Yzxb8fSZ10u-dwva3wZ7Tw4rDV32V_doge9RFu8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Random question here- does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's, Wildcat's, Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77155 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:09:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:09:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:09:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:09:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:09:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aE2mFwZq6HUx1WAclNQ8GsEPbRemR-QbCHi-qv8wzDPT_TA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 What kind of ride is it? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "cwbyfn4evr63" =20 wrote: > SNIP>=20 > The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster,=20 > while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has=20 > been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by=20 > engineers before opening again. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:23:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73050 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:23:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:21:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:21:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <441adb02.4cc262fb.7777.ffff825e@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yhQ77j1QuXUjyleJNu1jQ9A584ItKHSnGFcdF6ztJb3lANQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 O-K-A-Y, that's a wierd one. ;p I assume you got a pic, and you're trying to ID it? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam F. Sandy"=20 wrote: > > Random question here- does anyone know of coasters (especially=20 Galaxi's, > Wildcat's, Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? >=20 > Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:32:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69396 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:32:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:34:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:31:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:31:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: In 2006, Six Flags will debut 10 New Rides and Attractions!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H1ZYIYTX9YcSZqslvsx0VUIQE0PSGxBfigW6Y5G82pQ6dKs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Six Flags Over Texas http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overtexas/ParkPress/10Newrides.html (There are pics & videos on this page - Alan) Arlington, TX =96 Six Flags Over Texas today announced a sweeping=20 capital expansion project that will forever change the landscape of=20 the 212-acre acre theme park and mark the largest capital expansion=20 in the park's 45-year history! In Spring 2006, 6FOT will debut a phenomenal package of family rides=20 that will give every Guest 10 new reasons to visit and 10 new reasons=20 there'll be 10 times the fun at the best theme park in the Southwest! "Remaining true to our tradition, the addition of 10 new family rides=20 in 2006 represents a major commitment on the part of 6FOT to keep=20 delivering wholesome family fun," said Steve Calloway, VP and GM. "10=20 rides in 1 year is a huge investment. These new attractions provide a=20 great ride experience to Guests of all ages and will be enjoyed by=20 generations of families for years and years to come." This Texas-size=20 expansion includes a host of the most innovative and exciting family=20 rides in the industry. The new attractions will be located in=20 different areas of the park, giving Guests a greater variety and the=20 ability to maximize their visit to 6FOT. Joining the ever-growing=20 6FOT rides arsenal will be: =95 Spread your wings and fly high in the sky as nine planes zip around=20 an oval-shaped course. Each plane can accommodate up to 4 children or=20 1 adult and 2 children. =95 Spin around super fast or slow it down to savor the experience.=20 This family favorite will leave Guests spinning with excitement. =95 True Texans love a good rodeo. Cowboys and cowgirls alike can test=20 their riding skills on these bucking bulls. Saddle up! =95 Zip into orbit as the rocket and its 50 passengers make several=20 exhilarating 360-degree loops before swinging back earthward for a=20 gentle stop. =95 A ride with timeless popularity and commonly referred to as=20 the "scrambler" received its original name from the way it looks=20 while in operation, resembling scrambling eggs. =95 These boots are made for walkin' or in this case...ridin'! Try=20 these on for size in a one-of-a-kind interactive bouncing ride=20 experience. =95 Whirling, twirling fun for the whole family. This "crazy" ride=20 moves in a circular fashion with gondolas that move in the opposite=20 direction. =95 Experience a breathtaking view of the park while riding on unique=20 hot air balloons. Up, up and away we go! =95 A high capacity family attraction, the Caddo Lake Barge features a=20 unique combination of rocking motions and has received top awards=20 from the IAAPA. =95 Loads of water fun for Guests of all ages. Another great place to=20 cool off during those hot Texas summer months. Take all these great new attractions and add them to our already=20 amazing lineup, and there'll be more to do, more to smile about, and=20 more fun than ever in 2006! There's a lot happening at 6FOT next=20 year, and you won't want to miss a minute of it. So, make plans now to visit again and again. Our 45th season is=20 shaping up to be our best season ever! The new year begins March 4th.=20 Spring Breakout takes place March 11 =96 19. Visit us on the web at=20 www.sixflags.com for more details. --------- Copywrite 2006 Six Flags Theme Parks, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:37:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5019 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:37:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:36:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:36:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:36:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:36:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Harrah's unveils theme park in Singapore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YxH-sEiKI21Xgd8aGsi2h_5gh6BVJDdEylfURXLMxnaROyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 14, 2006 KVBC News 3 http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4630612&nav=3D15MUKUzj Singapore -- Harrah's Entertainment has big plans for Singapore.=20 They've unveiled a new high-tech theme park that will anchor its bid to=20 build a casino mega-resort in that country. The project's executive producer is Hollywood director James Cameron.=20 He says he'll lend rights to his hit movies, and his expertise, to=20 develop interactive rides based on films such as "Aliens" and "Titanic." The 16 story theme park will have five levels and a gondola-like people=20 mover. If it is approved, the casino will open in about five years. ----------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and KVBC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:40:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86174 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:40:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:39:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:39:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Carowinds Reopens Campground, Expands Water Park For 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=b0n3Zn-KPXigT2pXj-7Sf65v7p_sfFVFPsg4yCPCCKV8UKU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 17, 2006 WSOC-TV http://www.wsoctv.com/news/8078875/detail.html?rss=3Dchar&psp=3Dnews ROCK HILL, S.C. -- Paramount's Carowinds is reopening its campground=20 and expanding its water park for the 2006 season beginning March 25th. The campground was closed for 2 years while officials focused on the=20 theme park. Paramount's Camp Wilderness Resort will have 15 cabins and 200=20 campsites. There will be more than 50 tent and pop-up camper sites=20 with water and electric service and 60 recreational vehicle sites.=20 The resort has 150 picnic tables, a pool, miniature golf, shuffle=20 board and a 1,000-sq-ft playground. The Australian-themed Boomerang Bay water park opens May 20th after a=20 multimillion dollar renovation. 2 new attractions are a heated tropical lagoon and a 100' double=20 water slide. ----------- Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press =A9 2006, WSOC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:45:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36750 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:45:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:45:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:45:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:45:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Shanghai asks govt. to approve a Disneyland park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9gTeqzLH8MHqtjICeg2LrofaTKDpPVW0-WYAUuob3f9misY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 16, 2006 Reuters Yahoo! News Asia http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060316/3/2hfu1.html SHANGHAI, China -- Shanghai has applied to China's central government=20 to build a Disneyland theme park, a city spokesman said on Thursday,=20 taking a necessary step before such a large-scale project can=20 proceed. "Shanghai has already submitted an application to the=20 central government to bring in a DL theme park," the spokesman said. "Ultimately, attracting a park will depend on getting permission from=20 the State Council," he said, referring to China's cabinet, which must=20 grant approval on large local projects. A spokeswoman for Walt Disney Co., which opened a DL in Hong Kong=20 last fall, reiterated the company's previous response on the bringing=20 of a park to Shanghai. "The Walt Disney Co. has not reached an=20 agreement with Shanghai to build a 2nd Disney destination resort in=20 China," she said, repeating a previous statement. "Our focus is on the successful operation of our 1st destination=20 resort in China, HKDL... If we were to reach an agreement for a 2nd=20 park in China, it would not open before 2010." Shanghai's confirmation of its request for central government=20 approval comes a week after Mayor Han Zheng said the city was making=20 preparations for a Disney theme park. "The key thing is to have an=20 overall plan from the State Council," Han said at that time. U.S.-based Disney said more than a year ago that it was considering a=20 theme park in Shanghai. But Disney's China chief, Stanley Cheung, told Reuters last month the=20 company had not reached a deal to build a park in Shanghai and had no=20 plan to build one in Beijing at this time. ----------- =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2006 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48456 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:59:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 17:55:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:55:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock Park goes to market X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xE1YZ1nqsZE2hnYa9U3sUcZQsv8jeD4x4qxkOptzMdVJZkY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 17, 2006 The Sun News http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/141204 85.htm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dmyrtlebeachonline_business By Dawn Bryant Myrtle Beach, SC -- As one Myrtle Beach amusement park faces the end,=20 another one moves forward. The proposed Hard Rock Park, in the works since 2003, hit the bond=20 market this week with $255 million worth of bonds to sell under a=20 speculative, but stable, rating from Moody's Investors Service. The=20 park plans to open at Fantasy Harbour in April 2008. The movement on the HRP came days after the 58-y.o. Myrtle Beach=20 Pavilion Amusement Park announced that this would be its final=20 summer. The park opens for its farewell season at 6 p.m. today. Hitting the bond market is the final, and most substantial=20 fundraising piece for the proposed $300 million HRP, the first 1 to=20 be branded with the popular rock 'n' roll name. In December, 2=20 Israeli firms signed onto the project, Africa Israel and Polar=20 Investments Ltd. The ratings, assigned by Moody's on Thursday, show risk in the=20 investment, but express confidence in the theme park's ability to=20 generate enough money to pay off the debt long term, fueled by Myrtle=20 Beach's popularity as a destination and the value of using the=20 recognizable Hard Rock brand.=20 Still, the risk of default increases the further below the investment=20 grade label the ratings fall. "They are below investment grade," said=20 Lisa Tibbitts, Moody's assistant VP of ratings communications. "Some=20 people call them 'speculative,' some people call them 'junk.' It's=20 just our opinion of how likely you, as an investor, are to get back=20 your money." HRP Myrtle Beach Operations LLC, the theme park developers, had about=20 17% of the initial capital costs, about $62 million, before selling=20 the bonds. That includes the land, which is worth about $25 million.=20 Moody's said it "would view an all-cash equity contribution more=20 favorably." Moody's rated one set of bonds a B3 and the second set a Caa2. Those=20 ratings, considered speculative, are in the bottom tier of Moody's=20 rating system. Aaa is the highest rating. Moody's simply rates the bonds; it doesn't give a recommendation=20 whether they are a good buy or not. HRP received a corporate family rating of Caa1. Officials with HRP, amid a "roadshow" promoting the bonds to sellers,=20 declined to comment Thursday. The ratings reflect high debt burden, with the park not generating=20 any revenue for the next 2 years during construction, according to=20 Moody's. Revenues also are vulnerable to bad weather and the area's=20 seasonality, the rating agency said. The park plans to operate 270=20 days of the year. "In Moody's view, Myrtle Beach's position as the=20 4th-ranked destination for overnight leisure visitors in the U.S. and=20 the top destination for golfers, combined with few other=20 entertainment options aside from visiting the beach, provides a solid=20 base of attendees for the HRP," the ratings agency wrote. The release did not say who ranked Myrtle Beach as No. 4. Moody's analysts also noted that HRP had locked in maximum prices to=20 build the park. HRP has a maximum-price contract of $95 million with=20 Hensel Phelps Construction Co., based in Greeley, Colo., for=20 construction and a $12 million max-price contract with The Nassal Co. Nassal, a construction and design firm based in Orlando, specializes=20 in attraction development. Its project portfolio includes Ripley's=20 Aquarium in Myrtle Beach. The Hard Rock park will have more than 40 themed rides, shows and=20 attractions. ----------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Mar 17 12:50:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91068 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 17:14:30 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e30so1066824pya for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr1198536pyl; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0603170914u9c3edccx3e74a8fd69b4e377@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:14:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=XCLyc9hnRrM_M3P4SjYcB3ZtR2WwfjACxDcPjVICswAxSik X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its a Chance Yo Yo. Adam On 3/17/06, Alan wrote: > > What kind of ride is it? > > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "cwbyfn4evr63" > wrote: > > > SNIP> > > The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster, > > while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has > > been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by > > engineers before opening again. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 15:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42823 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 23:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 23:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 95688 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2006 23:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317232222.95686.qmail@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:22:22 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:22:22 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0603170914u9c3edccx3e74a8fd69b4e377@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=fQ2DK_Mlq8aFLEZDR7Ykopzba3paYzV8qivG6qrJMn_p6lcqZE10IGhMCA X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought only carnivals had Chance Yo Yos...I've never seen one at a regular amusement park. Adam Sandy wrote: Its a Chance Yo Yo. Adam On 3/17/06, Alan wrote: > > What kind of ride is it? > > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "cwbyfn4evr63" > wrote: > > > SNIP> > > The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster, > > while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has > > been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by > > engineers before opening again. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 16:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73776 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 00:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 00:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 00:15:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 78549 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2006 00:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060318001535.78547.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.49] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:15:35 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142614190.107.32997.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ARNJpL3pePhxXUAzLXhbKZJbwXV9oSEnReV5PfIk7cPbQMoRpPoc X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's,Wildcat's, Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? < Heck yes. Now if I can just jog my feeble memory.... There was the (now defunct) Seabreeze Quantum Loop. Canobie's Corkscrew is yellow. Then there's Loch Ness Monster and Desperado. There really are quite a few. And I know I've seen stock portable coasters with yellow track. I've never understood the popularity of yellow for a track color. It gets filthy so quickly. But I guess it shows up well on a midway. Jay --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 17 16:18:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15090 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 00:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 00:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 00:18:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7CD9AA4 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:18:06 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060318001535.78547.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060318001535.78547.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <33159CD5-B3EF-4B9E-882A-FDD1F089A6AE@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:18:12 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=SEp_OimgCvPWY1sf06q96TK7abNEjd0BVyK45o0UNwGdMyMy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Vertical Velocity, Georgia Scorcher .. some people claim that Raging Bull is yellow... Cameron. On Mar 17, 2006, at 18:15, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's,Wildcat's, >> Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? < > > Heck yes. Now if I can just jog my feeble memory.... There was > the (now defunct) Seabreeze Quantum Loop. Canobie's Corkscrew is > yellow. Then there's Loch Ness Monster and Desperado. There > really are quite a few. And I know I've seen stock portable > coasters with yellow track. > > I've never understood the popularity of yellow for a track color. > It gets filthy so quickly. But I guess it shows up well on a midway. > > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 17 20:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74725 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 04:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 04:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.174) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 04:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 97118 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2006 04:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060318045105.97116.qmail@web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.64.253.248] by web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:51:05 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:51:05 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060317232222.95686.qmail@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cornell Spradling Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=LL3_ADftEhza6qd0IpsrCmyK36rl9wJxF1rSSyS72EzA1X12qTFjYPDUlvOgTA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like i remember a maintaince worker indicted on invoulntary manslaughter charges, for a ride called sizzler that came apart, that was one of them Yo Yos, Six Flags Over Texas is a wonderful park, Titan is the fifth highest coaster in the country, but tied with its sister coaster at Magic Mountain, accidents are gonna happen, just ask the guys over at cp, lol, but I think I would rather hop on a coaster than walk across the street, lol "Brooke G." wrote: I thought only carnivals had Chance Yo Yos...I've never seen one at a regular amusement park. Adam Sandy wrote: Its a Chance Yo Yo. Adam On 3/17/06, Alan wrote: > > What kind of ride is it? > > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "cwbyfn4evr63" > wrote: > > > SNIP> > > The `Texas Tornado' sends riders in a circle, faster and faster, > > while ascending and descending. Since the accident, the ride has > > been closed and will be thoroughly inspected and repaired by > > engineers before opening again. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Cornell Spradling mskr63@sbcglobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 22:25:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94019 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 06:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 06:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.116) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 06:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28541 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2006 06:25:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060318062511.28539.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:25:11 PST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:25:11 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060318001535.78547.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.116 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=aWiIKqdG2G-Ld449zIAk1_UzrWeclVfZQnWwBOPM7_YB22kLQa-Oy3tpjw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find any Galaxi's with yellow track (I assume you mean S.D.C Galaxis). As for Wildcats (I assume Schwarzkopf Wildcats???) the Wildcat (defunct) at Martin's Fantasy Island had a yellow track, and so did Comet II (also defunct) at State Fair of Texas. For Zyklons, (Pinfari) the Zyklon at Parque de Diversiones Dr. Roberto Ortiz Brenes has yellow painted track, as with the Cyclone at Genting Theme Park. Diamond Python at Merimbula's Magic Mountain is also a Pinfari Zyklon with yellow track, and the same with King (defunct) at Nashville Valley Amusement Park, and so is the Zyklon at Ocean Beach Pleasure Park. Jay Ducharme wrote: > does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's,Wildcat's, Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? < Heck yes. Now if I can just jog my feeble memory.... There was the (now defunct) Seabreeze Quantum Loop. Canobie's Corkscrew is yellow. Then there's Loch Ness Monster and Desperado. There really are quite a few. And I know I've seen stock portable coasters with yellow track. I've never understood the popularity of yellow for a track color. It gets filthy so quickly. But I guess it shows up well on a midway. Jay --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 13:25:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 13:25:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:25:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060318062511.28539.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cQw5oy85ARZjTZGm94XtasdhLWZbV1C-WOSPzB-uMMvYvK__-w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I thought that the Galaxi at Canobie operated for a few years in=20 the '80's with green supports and yellow track. The semipermanent Hi- Miler at Old Orchard Beach had yellow track, too.=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brooke G."=20 wrote: > > I can't find any Galaxi's with yellow track (I assume you mean=20 S.D.C Galaxis). >=20=20=20=20 > As for Wildcats (I assume Schwarzkopf Wildcats???) the Wildcat=20 (defunct) at Martin's Fantasy Island had a yellow track, and so did=20 Comet II (also defunct) at State Fair of Texas.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > For Zyklons, (Pinfari) the Zyklon at Parque de Diversiones Dr.=20 Roberto Ortiz Brenes has yellow painted track, as with the Cyclone at=20 Genting Theme Park. Diamond Python at Merimbula's Magic Mountain is=20 also a Pinfari Zyklon with yellow track, and the same with King=20 (defunct) at Nashville Valley Amusement Park, and so is the Zyklon at=20 Ocean Beach Pleasure Park.=20=20 >=20 > Jay Ducharme wrote: > > does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's,Wildcat's,=20 Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? < >=20 > Heck yes. Now if I can just jog my feeble memory.... There was=20 the (now defunct) Seabreeze Quantum Loop. Canobie's Corkscrew is=20 yellow. Then there's Loch Ness Monster and Desperado. There really=20 are quite a few. And I know I've seen stock portable coasters with=20 yellow track. >=20 > I've never understood the popularity of yellow for a track color.=20=20 It gets filthy so quickly. But I guess it shows up well on a midway. >=20 > Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Mar 18 06:17:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65753 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 14:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 14:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 14:17:44 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FKcFK-0008Pe-99 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:17:34 -0500 Message-ID: <441C1688.1020506@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:17:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060318045105.97116.qmail@web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060318045105.97116.qmail@web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478d165aa9320335d71ecf9ae762dc6b0764053fdf8abc14998350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4VxximAR5C5dgX-hC83pfx7bgio9Zcw5jVgtNEmBfsHSkyM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cornell Spradling wrote: > Seems like i remember a maintaince worker indicted on invoulntary > manslaughter charges, for a ride called sizzler that came apart, that > was one of them Yo Yos, Actually the Sizzler and the YoYo are very different rides. A Sizzler looks like this: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/sizzler.html A Scrambler looks almost identical to a Sizzler: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/scrambler.html Notice there's no swings involved. A YoYo on the other hand looks like this: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/yoyo.html It's been a long time, so I don't remember for sure, but some reason I was thinking that the Texas Tornado was a Wave Swinger: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/waveswinger.html Though that's not a whole lot different in ride experience from a YoYo. Hope that helps to clarify the muddy waters a bit. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gregleg@gregleg.com Sat Mar 18 08:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8994 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 16:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 16:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 16:23:04 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2IGN2XV017938 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) To: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c64aa8$3e1fcb30$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <441C1688.1020506@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZKls4a6QB6rJzZTlWXdGKnI+4UsAAETd6w X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=LgVP2NCDjnJKR-7E2d2A2MXqb2mMvaRXYTLaitV4_zl-jyE X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 George wrote: > Though that's not a whole lot different in ride experience from a YoYo. Generally speaking, I think a YoYo moves faster, and rocks the seats more. What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? I can think of Geauga Lake and Indiana Beach off the top of my head. I think Cliff's might have, but I don't remember for sure. There must be others... --Greg From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Mar 18 09:05:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47951 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 17:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:05:16 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FKerb-0001C4-0D for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <441C3DD8.20401@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:05:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000501c64aa8$3e1fcb30$0600a8c0@raven> In-Reply-To: <000501c64aa8$3e1fcb30$0600a8c0@raven> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478d165aa9320335d717422b3e3fd05350a847d638d7e67d912350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qkbNrtXy0yHXSB9EqD-NGgHodXnfsQQU1xMR1OgyoaRtNe0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Greg Legowski wrote: > George wrote: > > Though that's not a whole lot different in ride experience from a YoYo. > > Generally speaking, I think a YoYo moves faster, and rocks the seats more. > > What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? I can think of > Geauga Lake and Indiana Beach off the top of my head. I think Cliff's might > have, but I don't remember for sure. There must be others... Cliff's does. Frontier City, SFMM, Cypress Gardens has a YoYo that runs about as close to insane as I've ever seen one run. Astroworld had one, but I don't remember who bought their YoYo. I'm sure there are a bunch of others. keep on ridin' George (who only has about 24 hours til he's on the plane to Costa Rica for a week!) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:45:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90320 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 17:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.111) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 1727 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2006 17:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20060318174506.1725.qmail@web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:45:06 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:45:06 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <441C1688.1020506@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=TTcCznihwWwOlJEa_I5RNQ-4qkOS44rIw90aGgARl4z3-kKaJf5O1DJr1g X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah when I read that post, I thought 'a sizzler is like a scrambler, not like a yo yo' because I read about the accident on rideaccidents.com Brooke george burnash wrote: Cornell Spradling wrote: > Seems like i remember a maintaince worker indicted on invoulntary > manslaughter charges, for a ride called sizzler that came apart, that > was one of them Yo Yos, Actually the Sizzler and the YoYo are very different rides. A Sizzler looks like this: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/sizzler.html A Scrambler looks almost identical to a Sizzler: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/scrambler.html Notice there's no swings involved. A YoYo on the other hand looks like this: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/yoyo.html It's been a long time, so I don't remember for sure, but some reason I was thinking that the Texas Tornado was a Wave Swinger: http://flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/waveswinger.html Though that's not a whole lot different in ride experience from a YoYo. Hope that helps to clarify the muddy waters a bit. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:48:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1915 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 17:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28999 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060318174852.28997.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:48:52 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:48:52 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Yellow Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=qCPG9eo3LzmorZtRgH0PMdZT5G8OVUZeIJJbZxWYTQ2s-_tc-JQ417QEeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only pictures I've seen of the Rockin' Rider at Canobie Lake Beach were from '04 (it's last operating year). Brooke Chris wrote: I thought that the Galaxi at Canobie operated for a few years in the '80's with green supports and yellow track. The semipermanent Hi- Miler at Old Orchard Beach had yellow track, too. Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brooke G." wrote: > > I can't find any Galaxi's with yellow track (I assume you mean S.D.C Galaxis). > > As for Wildcats (I assume Schwarzkopf Wildcats???) the Wildcat (defunct) at Martin's Fantasy Island had a yellow track, and so did Comet II (also defunct) at State Fair of Texas. > > For Zyklons, (Pinfari) the Zyklon at Parque de Diversiones Dr. Roberto Ortiz Brenes has yellow painted track, as with the Cyclone at Genting Theme Park. Diamond Python at Merimbula's Magic Mountain is also a Pinfari Zyklon with yellow track, and the same with King (defunct) at Nashville Valley Amusement Park, and so is the Zyklon at Ocean Beach Pleasure Park. > > Jay Ducharme wrote: > > does anyone know of coasters (especially Galaxi's,Wildcat's, Zyklon's, etc.) that have been painted with yellow track? < > > Heck yes. Now if I can just jog my feeble memory.... There was the (now defunct) Seabreeze Quantum Loop. Canobie's Corkscrew is yellow. Then there's Loch Ness Monster and Desperado. There really are quite a few. And I know I've seen stock portable coasters with yellow track. > > I've never understood the popularity of yellow for a track color. It gets filthy so quickly. But I guess it shows up well on a midway. > > Jay Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 16:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6482 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 00:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 00:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 00:17:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 92963 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2006 00:17:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060319001732.92961.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.241.121] by web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:17:32 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:17:32 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1142702662.335.60515.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: PR: In 2006, Six Flags will debut 10 New Rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UhZX2AHOAqlxnnbTvuImz3ihbhlrx90QT-WvEo7B1caStQJl66zK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, let's play the guessing game... > Spread your wings and fly high in the sky as nine planes zip around an oval-shaped course. < Zamperla Flying Tigers? > True Texans love a good rodeo. Cowboys and cowgirls alike can test their riding skills on these bucking bulls. Saddle up! < A stock Rodeo flat? > Zip into orbit as the rocket and its 50 passengers make several exhilarating 360-degree loops before swinging back earthward for a gentle stop. < Space Shuttle? > These boots are made for walkin' or in this case...ridin'! Try these on for size in a one-of-a-kind interactive bouncing ride experience. < A boot-themed bouncy castle? > Whirling, twirling fun for the whole family. This "crazy" ride moves in a circular fashion with gondolas that move in the opposite direction. < Tea Cups? > Experience a breathtaking view of the park while riding on unique hot air balloons. Up, up and away we go! < Balloon-themed Ferris wheel? Sky Ride? > A high capacity family attraction, the Caddo Lake Barge features a unique combination of rocking motions and has received top awards from the IAAPA. < Zamperla Rockin' Tug? Actually, a lot of these rides might be from Zameperla.... > Loads of water fun for Guests of all ages. Another great place to cool off during those hot Texas summer months. < Well this is really vague. A giant squirt gun? > So, make plans now to visit again and again. < Just don't try to come back in the park if you leave.... Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 17:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10779 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 01:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 01:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 01:21:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n10.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 01:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2006 01:21:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:21:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060319001732.92961.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: PR: In 2006, Six Flags will debut 10 New Rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AmAFTkaRCOpGlLuUPQ0EmmCNOxEAIyz_1OfBMD9XcW0JlHuq4A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I think Lance has the whole list over at Screamscape. You are correct=20 about the Zamperla observation, I think they did get a Zamperla=20 package deal. The remainder are rides relocated from Astroworld.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > Okay, let's play the guessing game... >=20 > > Spread your wings and fly high in the sky as nine planes zip=20 around=20 > an oval-shaped course. < >=20 > Zamperla Flying Tigers? >=20 > > True Texans love a good rodeo. Cowboys and cowgirls alike can=20 test=20 > their riding skills on these bucking bulls. Saddle up! < >=20 > A stock Rodeo flat? >=20 > > Zip into orbit as the rocket and its 50 passengers make several=20 > exhilarating 360-degree loops before swinging back earthward for a=20 > gentle stop. < >=20 > Space Shuttle? >=20 > > These boots are made for walkin' or in this case...ridin'! Try=20 > these on for size in a one-of-a-kind interactive bouncing ride=20 > experience. < >=20 > A boot-themed bouncy castle? >=20 > > Whirling, twirling fun for the whole family. This "crazy" ride=20 > moves in a circular fashion with gondolas that move in the opposite=20 > direction. < >=20 > Tea Cups? >=20 > > Experience a breathtaking view of the park while riding on unique=20 > hot air balloons. Up, up and away we go! < >=20 > Balloon-themed Ferris wheel? Sky Ride? >=20 > > A high capacity family attraction, the Caddo Lake Barge features=20 a=20 > unique combination of rocking motions and has received top awards=20 > from the IAAPA. < >=20 > Zamperla Rockin' Tug? Actually, a lot of these rides might be from=20 Zameperla.... >=20 > > Loads of water fun for Guests of all ages. Another great place to=20 > cool off during those hot Texas summer months. < >=20 > Well this is really vague. A giant squirt gun? >=20 > > So, make plans now to visit again and again. < >=20 > Just don't try to come back in the park if you leave.... >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20=09=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 18 21:10:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70693 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 05:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 05:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 05:10:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 83265 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2006 05:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060319051049.83263.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.64.253.248] by web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:10:49 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:10:49 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cornell Spradling Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: In 2006, Six Flags will debut 10 New Rides... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=f8Il1mbS-FyHb8BkXhpmIyQUndjrjlDtvx6sk0SirlorI58Te7PsQNaBI10N12U X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit didnt these come from astroworld? Chris wrote: I think Lance has the whole list over at Screamscape. You are correct about the Zamperla observation, I think they did get a Zamperla package deal. The remainder are rides relocated from Astroworld. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Okay, let's play the guessing game... > > > Spread your wings and fly high in the sky as nine planes zip around > an oval-shaped course. < > > Zamperla Flying Tigers? > > > True Texans love a good rodeo. Cowboys and cowgirls alike can test > their riding skills on these bucking bulls. Saddle up! < > > A stock Rodeo flat? > > > Zip into orbit as the rocket and its 50 passengers make several > exhilarating 360-degree loops before swinging back earthward for a > gentle stop. < > > Space Shuttle? > > > These boots are made for walkin' or in this case...ridin'! Try > these on for size in a one-of-a-kind interactive bouncing ride > experience. < > > A boot-themed bouncy castle? > > > Whirling, twirling fun for the whole family. This "crazy" ride > moves in a circular fashion with gondolas that move in the opposite > direction. < > > Tea Cups? > > > Experience a breathtaking view of the park while riding on unique > hot air balloons. Up, up and away we go! < > > Balloon-themed Ferris wheel? Sky Ride? > > > A high capacity family attraction, the Caddo Lake Barge features a > unique combination of rocking motions and has received top awards > from the IAAPA. < > > Zamperla Rockin' Tug? Actually, a lot of these rides might be from Zameperla.... > > > Loads of water fun for Guests of all ages. Another great place to > cool off during those hot Texas summer months. < > > Well this is really vague. A giant squirt gun? > > > So, make plans now to visit again and again. < > > Just don't try to come back in the park if you leave.... > > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Cornell Spradling mskr63@sbcglobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onhisown@comcast.net Sun Mar 19 10:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78051 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2006 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2006 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (63.240.77.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2006 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060319180701011002voahe>; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <00fc01c64b7f$e69aeb00$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:06:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Mt. Olympus News X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=AgycbLrOYqtwD4UyZms7spNXCu-f-W98o1gXEwsTHzzPr_RBues X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Mt. O's new Parthenon Indoor Theme Park is now open! Tiny pictures can be found here: http://www.mtolympusthemepark.com/big/index_flash.html Hours are 10:00 AM to 8:00 PM 7 days a week. All attractions in the new indoor theme park including Opa (Zamperla spinning mouse) are open too! More good news - 2006 season passes are still on sale for $79, although the website indicates the offer expired March 15. Season passes are valid from Memorial Day through Labor Day. Still no mention of their 2006 outdoor theme park hours, hopefully soon. Mark From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Mar 20 07:43:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67357 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 15:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 15:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 15:43:22 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD0058023C@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 Thread-Index: AcZKsM7GEWeJ2g+tQpuvdSb3meeAZgBhBJ/g To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: Re: Six Flags Over Texas ride injures 7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=-WGYOyKwGVz_PdXQcWoD4uHXpI5TaxKkjACqZgUYDxiM02BgZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? Clementon, I think. Jon ______________________________=20=20 From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Mar 20 10:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25372 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 18:35:50 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o25so817566nfa for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.1.4 with SMTP id d4mr2974659nfi; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.43.4 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:35:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:35:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=h7mdbMsgY-hI45yL6lPKLMqbXBlJkXjdn1R6rB1HFucztWyQQIPN-n8 X-Yahoo-Profile: themodernman03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? > > Clementon, I think. > > Jon>> Michigan's Adventure, Geauga Lake, Indiana Beach, just to name a few. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Geauga Lake's BTW, used to be black with yellow light bulbs and it was very nostalgic looking. When the park was SFO/SFWoA, it was given a new blue paint job, stripped of its lights, and placed on a concrete slab with a blue fence around it over across the boardwalk. -Josh ______________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 20 13:22:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60013 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.200) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 21:22:00 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a27so835298nfc for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.95.6 with SMTP id x6mr970696nfl; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:21:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kbrDUmJXUl6YGmBpAEStf6hV2cUyfw3guK-V5Ae_tQuw03CnZ5TxWJM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Michigan's Adventure, Geauga Lake, Indiana Beach, just to name a few. I'm > sure there's more but those are the ones I can remember off the top of my > head. Yeah, there are tons of parks with Chance Yo-Yos. Both Valleyfair and The Great Escape have them (although TGE's doesn't tilt like most other ones). > Geauga Lake's BTW, used to be black with yellow light bulbs and it was ve= ry > nostalgic looking. When the park was SFO/SFWoA, it was given a new blue > paint job, stripped of its lights, and placed on a concrete slab with a b= lue > fence around it over across the boardwalk. I thought Geauga's Yo Yo was sitting near the vertical spike of Steel Venom. Was that moved while SF was still in charge? -Nate (back from a wonderful week in Florida) From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Mar 21 18:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38256 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 02:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 02:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 02:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 9297 invoked by uid 99); 22 Mar 2006 02:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060322024030.9296.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 21 Mar 2006 20:40:30 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=HIZdqIjqTg0Dz4rhC4ts6uzr4s14Lp4flURb1uy3uEx16Bzg X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Is the swing ride at SFGAm, near "Batman The Ride" an YO-YO? > > Yeah, there are tons of parks with Chance Yo-Yos. Both Valleyfair and > The Great Escape have them (although TGE's doesn't tilt like most > other ones). > > > Geauga Lake's BTW, used to be black with yellow light bulbs and it was very > > nostalgic looking. When the park was SFO/SFWoA, it was given a new blue > > paint job, stripped of its lights, and placed on a concrete slab with a blue > > fence around it over across the boardwalk. > > Dave Rounds From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Mar 21 19:05:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78076 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 03:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 03:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.200) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 03:05:18 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l36so23291nfa for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.71.9 with SMTP id y9mr78005nfk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.10 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:05:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:05:17 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060322024030.9296.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060322024030.9296.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=T7TAbVWM3QVFRk_0D2QJqsFHyOguIO7kJFF1TDQ9ZY1GGhCVXwiGXCg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Is the swing ride at SFGAm, near "Batman The Ride" an YO-YO? No, that's a Zierer Waveswinger. Wave Swinger: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/waveswinger.htm= l Yo-Yo: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/yoyo.html -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 15:33:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72472 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 23:33:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 31258 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2006 23:33:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060322233331.31256.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.229.96] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33:31 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33:31 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com, gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Dark ride enthusiast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VAeB2B8ShrQshoQ72j0hmIUe3ZqinWSQvXl0IHxHxP6F9_2q9_bD X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an interesting article I found about a guy from my home town who was inspired by Mountain Park's old Out of This World fun house to become a designer of not only dark rides but anything horror-related. > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze20hp2/gggweb/Cover%20Story.htm < Jay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Mar 23 09:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6111 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 17:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 17:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 17:20:12 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2e6.3f9c4f6 (4328) for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2e6.3f9c4f6.31543240@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:17:52 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in Orlando and ride the one that goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 10:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69469 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:02:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:00:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:00:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.58.218 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Signs at rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=JoddWwgEuBxxDXG0gNjujiYrQ4M-84gMRfar6_RboXPxV_udbUaXaqA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "childswilliam" wrote: > >=20 > > The main problem I have with these is that they all seem rather > > "generic", rather than tailored to the ride itself.. >=20 > I think that varies a lot, but that's some of the point I tried to make on masstort.org.=20=20 > Another problem is overwarning (which happens in lots of contexts), where even the=20 > mildest ride is made to sound rough and scary to avoid people saying "You never told me=20 > [whatever]!" On a similar theme, at every station on the london underground, you are warned to mind the gap - even though the gap is usually only small enough for a mouse to fall through, and you start ignoring these warnings, and then you get to say, bank station on the central line, where the gap is about 18 inches in some places, and a warning could be handy!! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 10:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93373 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.225) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:08:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:07:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:07:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 18:07:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:07:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2e6.3f9c4f6.31543240@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.58.218 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=zsLk-ryp5_ZVhjwEv0eGNfeS8MIagGxycZGuzGylVVnZ01Xwe95spTs X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in Orlando and=20=20 > ride the one that > goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > That'd be sling shot. I'm going on it this afternoon! :) From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 10:24:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20738 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51114.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.91) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 49597 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2006 18:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060323182443.49595.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:24:43 PST Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:24:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=2NyJfcUlm79b70yJO-FGqh7AvZTOVuD_rilRaak6UYXsjPkyOvA2z7yF X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? > > Clementon, I think. > > Jon>> =20 I'm going to toot my own horn, since I've been collecting ride information= to use in an interactive ride (all rides, not just coasters) count databas= e for ThrillNetwork. This is what I've collected for past and present opera= ting Yo-Yo's in North America: Click here. Hopefully that will help. -Bryan "I need to post here more often" Wood =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Mar 23 10:30:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30593 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:30:52 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so547517nzf for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr18898pym; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0603231029n4bcfe30bt7143fa196efd85e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:29:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2e6.3f9c4f6.31543240@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_2UNoNbwh7-0M_NQxfvKCXZOeaTcgtpR36449KECQZDS524 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, he's referring to the StarFlyer ( http://www.funtime.com.au/data/index2.htm), it can also be found on the cover of this month's Amusement Today. Adam On 3/23/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > > > If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in > Orlando and > > ride the one that > > goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > That'd be sling shot. I'm going on it this afternoon! :) > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 10:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38963 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51115.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:33:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 52879 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2006 18:32:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060323183205.52877.qmail@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:32:05 PST Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:32:05 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060323182443.49595.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's(edit of 1st post) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=m2mbiSnRWTqvEeDakcREHQDKU_RckFmOQNYmYwNjFLWLZYdJQSoZWMuD X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bryan Wood wrote:=20=20=20=20 =20 =20 > > > > What other parks have YoYo's as opposed to Wave Swingers? > > Clementon, I think. > > Jon>> =20=20 I'm going to toot my own horn, since I've been collecting ride informatio= n to use in an interactive ride (all rides, not just coasters) count databa= se for ThrillNetwork. This is what I've collected for past and present oper= ating Yo-Yo's in North America: Click here. Hopefully that will help. =20 -Bryan "I need to post here more often" Wood =20 =20=20 EDIT: For some reason, html isn't working for me. Go to database.thrillnetw= ork.com, on the right side click "advanced search", under "production model= ", select "Chance Yo-Yo" and click search. =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From exitenglish@gmail.com Thu Mar 23 10:42:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5497 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 18:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 18:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.184) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 18:42:52 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so392043nfc for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.254.3 with SMTP id b3mr644133nfi; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.220.18 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:42:47 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Josh Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Horror and Dark Rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=IpJouw3MlgyMxv9532Ta0B47NZ6O20mhK6lO6LFeyZMUNDcrTejGe0w X-Yahoo-Profile: themodernman03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good call on that, Horror is my business. :-) I did a photo shoot for a band's upcoming album cover last month, and we went with the "murder mystery/crime scene" thing, and not only did I do the photos, but also the special effects. My girlfriend did the make up and scar stuff. I learned everything I did from watching old horror movies, and to some extent, dark rides and haunted houses. It's a lot of fun, so I really can't say I blame him. If anyone wants to see the photo shoot and/or the album cover, please shoot me an e-mail. I'd love to share....they came out excellent. -Josh On 23 Mar 2006 16:13:02 -0000, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com < RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. MISC: Dark ride enthusiast > From: Jay Ducharme > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33:31 -0800 (PST) > From: Jay Ducharme > Subject: MISC: Dark ride enthusiast > > Here's an interesting article I found about a guy from my home town who > was inspired by Mountain Park's old Out of This World fun house to become a > designer of not only dark rides but anything horror-related. > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze20hp2/gggweb/Cover%20Story.htm < > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- "This signature space for rent..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From exitenglish@gmail.com Thu Mar 23 13:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27181 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 21:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 21:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 21:13:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 21:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 21:13:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2006 21:13:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:13:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0603231029n4bcfe30bt7143fa196efd85e7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.144.208.57 From: "themodernman03" Subject: Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=hJTDNMLjx5n5XmfDTbRABL7cEmqiL9cyuuaF6C5dkar6_xSri9p5xeI X-Yahoo-Profile: themodernman03 Oh man, I want to ride a starflyer so bad... They look awesome. -Josh --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > Actually, he's referring to the StarFlyer ( > http://www.funtime.com.au/data/index2.htm), it can also be found on the > cover of this month's Amusement Today. >=20 > Adam >=20 > On 3/23/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > > > > > > If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in > > Orlando and > > > ride the one that > > > goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > That'd be sling shot. I'm going on it this afternoon! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 13:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1789 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 21:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 21:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.116) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 21:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 83273 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2006 21:46:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060323214633.83271.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:46:33 PST Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:46:33 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=q5Qk2IVYpeQMG6Y8K0Sdvt4OmhY2xU15bTdQgfCMuJT13xwYFQMDsQT75w X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I researched StarFlyers for a report that I made up. (I was really bo= red...) =20=20=20 Adam, do you know the Amusement Today website and can you subscribe from = that site? Or does anyone have any other amusement park/coaster magazines? = I would like to start subscribing to those kind of magazines. themodernman03 wrote: Oh man, I want to ride a starflyer so bad... They look awesome. -Josh --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > Actually, he's referring to the StarFlyer ( > http://www.funtime.com.au/data/index2.htm), it can also be found on the > cover of this month's Amusement Today. >=20 > Adam >=20 > On 3/23/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > > > > > > If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in > > Orlando and > > > ride the one that > > > goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > That'd be sling shot. I'm going on it this afternoon! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Fri Mar 24 06:45:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54869 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 14:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 14:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 14:45:10 -0000 Received: from webmail25.lax.untd.com (webmail25.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.165]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCCJBQAA4VTPQJ for (sender ); Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail25.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LK82EPDM; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:43:23 PST Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail25.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:42:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:42:23 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060324.064323.1718.735983@webmail25.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1946968711 X-MAIL-INFO:3b9d254449f961d1e5a9b050598da041a0c9505559a43949f19449742d9951d08901c199896d9d0139814d05093d2909a5a53d102910d19dc1146411d97971203814c1000d85010971 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAMaxA1CQYzq7Hf5yFJbOcqurC/ZdDUSVvw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.165|webmail25.lax.untd.com|webmail25.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=tyJXzFomTrcZlvHUXnzJ3PcbCCKXyDlqCyW-YrsukC1nd0tCVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Hmm, any idea where the picture on that page is taken from? The track that= the camera is looking through bears an uncanny resemblance to the now defu= nct and probably disassembled Drachen Fire. ~Tim N. -------------------- Original Message: -------------------- =20=20 Actually, he's referring to the StarFlyer ( http://www.funtime.com.au/data/index2.htm), it can also be found on the cover of this month's Amusement Today. Adam ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Mar 24 06:57:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95618 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 14:57:50 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so813046nzh for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr1181429pyl; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:57:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0603240657q43b61940u16beecfbf954e10b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:57:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060324.064323.1718.735983@webmail25.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060324.064323.1718.735983@webmail25.lax.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Tzajm-c6TX5WksJxtzsJIyxKFyTfOJWbgHbevCudM4RTGgA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim- It was taken at Prater, that is thier boomerang. DF had more of a powder blue track on silver supports. Brooke- For enthusiasts I would say that Amusement Today is probably the best best. I don't know if they have secure ordering online, but sending a check in is pretty easy :). Adam On 3/24/06, Tim N. wrote: > > Hmm, any idea where the picture on that page is taken from? The track > that the camera is looking through bears an uncanny resemblance to the now > defunct and probably disassembled Drachen Fire. > ~Tim N. > > -------------------- > Original Message: > -------------------- > > Actually, he's referring to the StarFlyer ( > http://www.funtime.com.au/data/index2.htm), it can also be found on the > cover of this month's Amusement Today. > > Adam > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 18:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13518 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 02:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 02:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 02:33:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:33:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:33:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.3 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: YO-YO's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=yjfRDRSnZ6Am1KZn-1joxkFve0PA8RRaxsW0aBB7e7E-6C6adZc6tCE X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > > > > If you want a real thrill on a Yo Yo, go to Magical Midway in > Orlando and=20=20 > > ride the one that > > goes over 100 ft up! That's real spooky! > >=20 >=20 >=20 > That'd be sling shot. I'm going on it this afternoon! :) > PS - it actually goes 360 feet up, the capsule turns over too - although I think that actually reduces the airtime - I think I felt more "weightlessness" on dr dooms fearfall at universal - was a little disappointing! and at 25 bucks a go was rather pricy! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 18:59:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73730 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 02:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 02:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 02:59:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:59:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 02:59:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:59:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.152.221.3 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=6kXY9WIunrjdDDJBzguvsOKJw9_pS7yZG40P4G3TMMxf5QiwQBVNHB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Had my last day at busch gardens (and last day on the orlando flexiticket) today. Tried to book into the beer tasting, but unfortunately they wouldn't accept the photocopied passport as id - even though everywhere else had taken it with no problems (I mean - who brings a passport to a theme park???) On the subject of ID - I find it strange how american's can be so picky about ID for purchasing alcohol, and have such stringent immigration procedures, yet when you hand them a credit card to pay for something, they swipe it hand you it back and don't even check your signature - you may as well put mickey mouse, or hello mum and they wouldn't bat an eyelid!! anyhow - first up was montu (has to be done at the front), and then kumba - both nice fast coasters, and both give a VERY smooth ride. I then queued for about 20 minutes at shei-kra, and there was a problem so I gave up and went on to gwazi - which is mental! at the back you leave your seat a good few times! I then had lunch and went around taking pics of all the cute animals... Missed out on Shei-kra this time, but had already done it a couple of times.. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 12:16:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56702 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2006 20:16:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:16:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.243.18 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=DD0yLzkCwlpIpU_-mJGPvSK9PFgSHOforz7VDZLxwvvkxgol50tf X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > On the subject of ID - I find it strange how american's can be so > picky about ID for purchasing alcohol, and have such stringent > immigration procedures, yet when you hand them a credit card to pay > for something, they swipe it hand you it back and don't even check > your signature - you may as well put mickey mouse, or hello mum and > they wouldn't bat an eyelid!! You'd enjoy reading about The Credit Card Prank, where a guy did indeed attempt to see how absurd a signature he could put on a credit card receipt and still have it taken: http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/ A while back I was at a grocery store late at night where a bus full of touring Russian ballet dancers had stopped. They were all pretty much just buying alcohol. The store manager was manning the cash register and asked to see ID when they made their purchases. He took about a 10-second look at the Russian ID, all written in Cyrillic, and eventually just shrugged and let them buy the booze. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 13:30:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31707 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 21:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 21:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 21:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23702 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2006 21:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060325213009.23700.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.233.252] by web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:30:09 PST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Yahoo digest change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PPwn79yQuWa-UlIANoqpZzyQU7852oWL3IdWCirVfNtkx7whsDGb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got this reply from Yahoo after I responded to a digest item yesterd= ay. This practice must have just begun, because I never used to have any p= roblem: >To minimize excessive text quoting and ensure that messages are posted to = the correct topic, Yahoo! Groups no longer supports simply clicking the "re= ply" button in your email client as a way to reply to messages in the daily= digest. < I guess that will cut down on clumsy replies. It would have been nice if Y= ahoo had given some advance notice of the change, though. So any of you re= sponding to digest posts, take heed.... Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 13:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27194 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.67) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 21:38:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 6667 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2006 21:31:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060325213133.6665.qmail@web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.233.252] by web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:31:33 PST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Yo-Yo's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=obvd0j6PxcswZQdnTTokYAAehYLejKp5PR_-aPPIlDrl1LW9ObcR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't recall if someone mentioned this one, but my favorite Yo-Yo is at Indiana Beach. It has its own pier on Lake Shafer, a really impressive setting. My least favorite Yo-Yo was the one that used to be at Whalom Park. It looked ready to collapse at any minute and was usually painted a grease-stained yellow and dark brown. Near the end of the park's life, the Yo-Yo was usually lying on the midway in several pieces. Jay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Mar 25 18:43:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26540 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2f0.1ff686f (15700) for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-35-116.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.35.116]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d544425ffc6215; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:43:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:43:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4425FFC8.3000304@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.35.116 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=PfpTcPmAqFxqJDJdzGHLJYDnl1_HrOl0ojhqQyzRPHLZdwEkeg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo adamnvillani wrote on 3/25/2006, 3:16 PM: > A while back I was at a grocery store late at night where a bus full > of touring Russian ballet dancers had stopped. They were all pretty > much just buying alcohol. The store manager was manning the cash > register and asked to see ID when they made their purchases. He took > about a 10-second look at the Russian ID, all written in Cyrillic, and > eventually just shrugged and let them buy the booze. > > Adam OK, now why can't I be in a grocery store when a bus load of Russian ballerinas pull up to buy booze. Some guys have all the luck. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 23:03:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28342 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 07:02:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2006 07:02:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:02:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4425FFC8.3000304@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.149.160 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=CgyM5IDyjC-Y7zx4UjLf7cWi2ne5tkLzHNyi6790nMuIBIeIUYmD X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > OK, now why can't I be in a grocery store when a bus load of Russian=20 > ballerinas pull up to buy booze. Some guys have all the luck. Heh heh. I used to live next to the Long Beach Convention Center, and their troupe was coming through town to perform. I kept a parking space at an adjacent hotel and would see all sorts of identifiable groups come through. In 2000 we had the Reform Party convention. There was an anime convention with a whole bunch of cosplayers wandering the streets. More frightening was the Mary Kay Cosmetics convention, with legions of middle-aged women in identical red jackets. The biggest thing, though, was the Grand Prix, during which I would just leave town. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 06:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79883 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 14:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 14:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 14:23:34 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FNsYX-0002Oa-Or for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4427F467.9030300@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:19:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060323183205.52877.qmail@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060323183205.52877.qmail@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a122c03f3aaf2a20f8e08f78c6d10ebcca36dc8e5951e22f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: YO-YO's(edit of 1st post) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=aLViMgeOO6xs4yf7mVpkRwsqUFLf1kLQMhokmV_c-5BNEZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Bryan Wood wrote: > I'm going to toot my own horn, since I've been collecting ride > information to use in an interactive ride (all rides, not just coasters) > count database for ThrillNetwork. This is what I've collected for past > and present operating Yo-Yo's in North America: Click here. Hopefully > that will help. > > -Bryan "I need to post here more often" Wood > > > EDIT: For some reason, html isn't working for me. Go to > database.thrillnetwork.com, on the right side click "advanced search", > under "production model", select "Chance Yo-Yo" and click search. > First- yeah, you do need to post more often here! :P Second, html doesn't work on the list, nor do attachments. It's meant as a safegaurd to prevent anyone from sending images, viruses, or other junk through the messages on the list. Yahoo automatically sets it that way and there really isn't any way to bypass it. Though you can always just copy and past the link straight intead of in html. That works! :) keep on ridin' George (who just got in last night from Costa Rica and has lots of catching up to do) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 06:37:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56003 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FNsmB-0007vs-Lg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4427F7B4.3010608@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:33:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a122c03f3aaf2a2051d29083319bd911336f2719c6a69234350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=uf5eWD1AJmhFQB8mqE79d9RnKKw9cdxdQdbmuoV4CvbSwpE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Daniel Sounds like you had a great time at BGT. Sorry I couldn't meet up with you. Just wanted to add a couple of things: daniel_roachus wrote: > Tried to book into the beer tasting, but unfortunately they wouldn't > accept the photocopied passport as id - even though everywhere else > had taken it with no problems (I mean - who brings a passport to a > theme park???) You didn't have your driver's license or other ID from home with you? That would have worked. The reason they don't accept the copy of your passport is that it's easy to make a fake that way (just stick a different picture on it). > > On the subject of ID - I find it strange how american's can be so > picky about ID for purchasing alcohol, and have such stringent > immigration procedures, yet when you hand them a credit card to pay > for something, they swipe it hand you it back and don't even check > your signature - you may as well put mickey mouse, or hello mum and > they wouldn't bat an eyelid!! I won't argue with you on the credit card. It's been one of my peeves for a while now. The reason they're not as picky is pretty simple: money vs. jailtime. If they give alcohol to a minor, they can go to jail, and the entire alcohol service can be closed due to the laws. Same with cigarettes. But with the cards there isn't the legal system saying the same thing. It's just quick cash, and if it turns out to be the wrong person with the card, it'll end up being the banks or the victims who pay, not the business. Pretty sad. > > anyhow - first up was montu (has to be done at the front), Did you get Montu in the back? I love the front, but unless it's got a short line, I usually gravitate towards the back, which can give a great, intense ride. > so I gave up and went on to gwazi - which is mental! at the back you > leave your seat a good few times! Nice to hear someone else give Gwazi a bit of love. It's not what it could be, but it's certainly not as bad as some people make it out to be. thanks for sharing about your trip. What did you think of the other parks that you went to? Don't hesitate to tell us the good, bad, and ugly (though you missed me, so couldn't have seen to much "ugly" out there. hehe) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 27 08:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6995 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 16:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 16:07:13 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m51so35031pye for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.113.12 with SMTP id q12mr622536pym; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0603270807s5af9e1d5x571145b445901f08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:07:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Oakwood Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Ubzez85PUcXqLCUNZL8_QDTJBh4I67gH563uFxYeaR2NBrI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you haven't seen the latest pictures of the new Oakwood coaster they can be found at: http://www.97degrees.co.uk/home.html If the above site is down they can be seen at: http://freizeitparkweb.de/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5120&forum=DCForumID4#7 Test runs began yesterday, it should be a great ride. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 13:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47317 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 21:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 21:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 21:18:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 21:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 21:18:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:18:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.58.158 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=D9FSqH8ZMJG1LxgrGjUnbyRyf2uwwoBsEHrmr18FRXJ3dTH5tOdCO-w X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > You'd enjoy reading about The Credit Card Prank, where a guy did > indeed attempt to see how absurd a signature he could put on a credit > card receipt and still have it taken: > http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/ >=20 I'd seen a similar page before - quite worrying really! at one of the stalls in epcot they weren't even asking people to sign.. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 13:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52827 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 21:35:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2006 21:35:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4427F7B4.3010608@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.58.158 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=cgXOayjYOH8lsJNUQPkGFFtn2x1h2uLLyx7LeQb2yEscik59YppeOk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Daniel >=20 > Sounds like you had a great time at BGT. Sorry I couldn't meet up with=20 > you. Just wanted to add a couple of things: >=20 > daniel_roachus wrote: >=20 > > Tried to book into the beer tasting, but unfortunately they wouldn't > > accept the photocopied passport as id - even though everywhere else > > had taken it with no problems (I mean - who brings a passport to a > > theme park???) >=20 > You didn't have your driver's license or other ID from home with you?=20 > That would have worked. The reason they don't accept the copy of your=20 > passport is that it's easy to make a fake that way (just stick a=20 > different picture on it). no official photographic license- I still have an old non photographic uk srivers license (although I've heard that places in the US won't accept the uk photographic drivers license) > >=20 > > anyhow - first up was montu (has to be done at the front),=20 >=20 > Did you get Montu in the back? I love the front, but unless it's got a=20 > short line, I usually gravitate towards the back, which can give a=20 > great, intense ride. No - I prefer the front seat on inverted coasters as you just don't usually get a good view on the other rows >=20 > thanks for sharing about your trip. What did you think of the other=20 > parks that you went to? Don't hesitate to tell us the good, bad, and ugly > (though you missed me, so couldn't have seen to much "ugly" out there.=20 > hehe) will do - I'll make a separate post - probably at home! Although the disney coasters aren't as good as universal or busch gardens ones, but they do the family rides really well, the fireworks at epcot were great and animal kingdom was PACKED yesterday! From serpmage@juno.com Mon Mar 27 13:43:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96629 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 21:43:02 -0000 Received: from webmail17.lax.untd.com (webmail17.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.157]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCCSZCSARNRD92 for (sender ); Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail17.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLHHJWVN; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:41:46 PST Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail17.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:41:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:41:01 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060327.134146.25391.288111@webmail17.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:521256079 X-MAIL-INFO:417b6fd70a7ffe0a03470a230e8f3a8eae0f2bce276b4ef3ae8ea7eeebea576efe9ba37f27277a23ae57ee02d7fbd3aa135eabda5e1a63abdbdadb67cf37ef9a2e335a3f8aa7ef375bafe3775e3f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hALBY4Kswecyy16aA/rm6Azyiiv/fnYQTEQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.157|webmail17.lax.untd.com|webmail17.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mini report: last day at busch gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=Z5AYg6XLe2Jns_9-6Oz_xJ1U1XWFc9Ap-IulqccQGkgwrtkDgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr That's becoming more and more common actually. Credit card companies won't= even question you if you dispute a charge that's less than about $10 or so= , so any small purchases you make, there's almost no need for them to bothe= r with a signature. The way I understand the system to currently work, the= credit card company never even sees the signed slip unless you challenge t= he charge, then the onus is on the vendor to prove that it really was you w= ho bought the item. ~Tim N. ------------------------------ Original Message: ------------------------------ > You'd enjoy reading about The Credit Card Prank, where a guy did > indeed attempt to see how absurd a signature he could put on a credit > card receipt and still have it taken: > http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/ >=20 I'd seen a similar page before - quite worrying really! at one of the stalls in epcot they weren't even asking people to sign.. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 27 15:46:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8212 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 23:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2006 23:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.189) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 23:46:30 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o25so121172nfa for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.40.13 with SMTP id s13mr1917996nfj; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:46:29 -0600 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: REVIEW: Florida Trip Report Part I X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=BWlRSRRG8l_vJqw6LFYrfH9dSMRmlGZei5zO5Krqow0ZblTgY-H_6go X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Since I had a fantastic trip to the Bahamas with some friends in January, I decided I could afford to spend Spring Break with my parents in Florida. We were in Orlando from March 10-March 14, and in the St. Petersburg area from March 15-March 18. During that time, I got a chance to spend three great days at Universal Orlando, a day at Busch Gardens Tampa, and I got to visit Disney's Animal Kingdom for the first time. I've done trip reports for most of the Florida parks in the past, so I'm not going to bother to type out reviews on attractions that I'd been on before. I'll do more of a review for Animal Kingdom, though, since I hadn't been there before. UNIVERSAL ORLANDO RESORT (Universal Studios Florida & Islands of Adventure) - March 11, March 13, & March 14 I spent three days at Universal Orlando with my sixteen-year-old brother, Jon. I was last here in January and got an annual pass then, so it was nice to be able to take advantage of all the benefits (free parking, discounts on food). Neither park was every very busy; Monday the 13th was the lightest day and Tuesday the 14th was the heaviest crowd-wise. The weather was beautiful (mid to high 80's and not a cloud in the sky). Dudley was the only ride down. Hulk, Dueling Dragons, The Mummy, and Spiderman, and Jurassic Park remain my favorite attractions and they were my brother's as well. I think we both preferred IOA to USF, though we took several side visits to USF to ride the Mummy. The Mummy has really grown on me. The first time I rode it I was not particularly impressed. I thought it was extremely short and had a stupid ending. I still think it fizzles out a bit at the end, but I love everything else about it. The back seat offers the best ride by far, with at least three spots of intense airtime. The first time we rode it seemed as though nothing worked. There was no music in the ride, the timing of everything was off, none of the warriors lit up during the ride, and the mummy never came out in the beginning.=20 Interestingly enough, there seems to be a backup system in place in case the Mummy doesn't come out of the sarcophagus that projects the mummy's face on the box. It's not nearly as cool as the actual animatronc, but I thought it was cool there was a backup so you're not just hearing him speak but not seeing him anyhere. Jon liked the ride the first time, but loved it after we re-rode and all the effects worked. We did get a chance to participate in USF's Mardi Gras, which was very well done. There were hundreds of people in costume for the parade, and at least twenty floats (all of them throwing beads). I got in a fight with some redneck over a pair of beads (how masculine, I know) and neither of us got it. I still ended up walking away with nine strands, though. I didn't even have to remove any clothing. I like Universal Studios, but I've been there enough that The Mummy is really the only reason for me to go there. I like Men in Black, but the line is always extraordinarily long (even the single rider queue took 20 minutes). I think Shrek and Terminator are solid attractions, but I've seen them enough. I saw the Horror Makeup Show for the first time and absolutely loved it, but I'm not sure if it would be as good a second time. If IOA was not next door, I'm not sure I'd ever really visit though I do really love the Mummy). I love Islands of Adventure so much I don't think I could ever get bored there. Since I missed The Hulk in January due to incompetent crews on Dueling Dragons, I was pleased to get four rides in. The ending of this ride sucks too, but the first half is so good that I can overlook that. I think the best ride is in the back, but then you miss part of the pre-launch sequence because the train isn't fully in the tube when it starts up. That seems like a poor design to me. I noticed that the amount of fog in the tunnel has been greatly reduced, and the tunnel exit now has a roof on it. It seems odd that they'd just add that now, but maybe they had problems with people throwing things. Dueling Dragons is a tempermental ride. I've had some of the most boring rides ever on Ice, and then this time I had a front seat late afternoon ride that nearly rivaled Batman for intensity. The next day it was running back to normal (good, but still a bit slow). Fire Dragon has done the same thing to me. I got some crazy intense rides the first time I rode it several years ago, followed by some very sluggish rides ever since. The rides I got this month were probably the best ones since 2000, but I have no idea if that's consistent or not. The one thing I was surprised by was the length of the Dragons line. I don't think I've ever seen the line spill out from the final loading room before this visit. This time the wait time varied from 10 minutes to 45 minutes (!). Maybe people are finally realizing those rides are back there. :-) After reading on Screamscape that the T-Rex on Jurassic park was missing, I was thrilled to see it was back. We rode Jurassic Park twice, and I loved every minute of it. That T-Rex is fantastic. We rode Popeye, and I managed not to get TOO soaked. Some jackass was filling up plastic bags of water from the squirt guns on Me Ship, The Olive and dumping them on the boats that went by. Luckily he missed us, but nailed some little girl and her mother. Rude. Both Sinbad and Poseidon are in desperate need of a new show. The effects on both of these shows are really quite good, but the scripts are downright awful. It wouldn't take much to turn these into attractions with stories that might actually interest anyone over the age of seven. Spiderman might have been Jon's favorite attraction at IOA. I think we rode three times, and two of those were in the single rider's line. Both times as single riders we still managed to sit next to each other. Why can't the Hulk and the Dragons take single riders??? We spent a good few hours playing around in Camp Jurassic, If I Ran the Zoo, and Me Ship, The Olive. We got in a wicked water fight in Camp Jurassic with some evil children, and I nearly knocked myself unconscious in the amber mines. I love Jurassic Park. Seuss Lagoon was torn apart all over the place while they work on Sylvester McMonkey McBean (or whatever they're going to call it).=20 Sneech Beach (which I have actually never walked through) was closed, as was the Green Eggs & Ham Cafe. I have a feeling they're spending a small fortune to fix this ride, and I'm interested to see how it will turn out. I can't imagine it will be worth it, however. We spent at least another hour watching the Mystic Fountain. I've seen the fountain in action before, but I never realized just how many different things it could actually do. At one point he performed an entire choreographed water show to "Jump in the Line (Shake Shake Senora)". And there's nothing better than watching some unsuspecting smart ass kid get nailed in the face with a jet of water. We ate at both sitdown restaurants at IOA (Mythos & Confisco's Grill). Both were good, but Mythos was not as excellent as I remembered. I think the menu has changed a great deal, and some of the more exotic food has been toned down. It's still some of the best theme park food you can get, but it used to be better. Confiscos isn't exotic at all, but the food was good. I really am dead-serious when I say I think I could live at Islands of Adventure and be perfectly happy, but I do think they are in need of a major new attraction (the driving machines do not count). Since the park opened they have removed three attractions and only opened two new ones. I think they should steal Disney's "Alien Encounter" idea and build their own "Raptor Encounter" on the former site of Triceratops Encounter. That would be excellent. We spent a litte bit of time at Citywalk, but not enough to decide if it even compares to Pleasure Island (although I did enjoy my jello-shot-in-an-enormous-syringe). The food at Margaritaville isn't anything great, but the margaritas were the best I've had outside of Mexico. Watch out, though, as two of them had my mom on the ground (literally). One last note about capacity at Universal. I wouldn't say that the crews here are in any way bad, but they don't hold a candle to Disney. Hulk consistently stacked two trains (and occasionally all three).=20 The Dragons crews were as awful as ever (four minute load times are unacceptable on such an easy ride to load). Popeye was running an insufficient number of boats. The only attractions that were really cranking people through were Spiderman and The Mummy. Add to that the fact that Universal Express people are constantly line jumping in front of you, and Disney emerges as a clear winner here. I think Universal still has a few things to learn. Okay, I think that's it for Universal. Next up is Animal Kingdom. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 13:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58790 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 21:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 21:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 21:16:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 21:15:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 21:15:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:15:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: VisionLand amusement park now 'Alabama Adventure' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fDSVYtRbmEqfSmt6wMvTd-D81Da8YX78KQKqbM8ugbOPQ70 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 3/27/2006 The Birmingham News=20 Associated Press WMPI-ABC 15 http://www.wpmi.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=3DA2CECA18-E780- 4BF4-A5D7-490D5B36DC53 BESSEMER, AA -- The VisionLand amusement park is getting a new name=20 to go along with millions of dollars in improvements. Southland Entertainment Group said Monday the park, located west of=20 Birmingham, would now be called "Alabama Adventure." The California-based company purchased the park 3 years ago, and=20 president Kent Lemasters said a name change was planned all along.=20 But Southland said the company wanted to make sure it "changed the=20 park" before altering the name. Southland has invested more than $20 million in the park, adding a=20 wave pool, a steel roller-coaster and other rides. The firm also said=20 it was starting a new concert series with performances this summer=20 planned by acts including Bo Bice, the Charlie Daniels Band and Raven=20 Symone. Once owned by a consortium of Jefferson County cities, VisionLand=20 failed initially. Southland brought the park out of bankruptcy in=20 2003. ------ =A92006 Associated Press =A9 2006 CLEAR CHANNEL BROADCASTING, INC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 13:18:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57073 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 21:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 21:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 21:18:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 21:18:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 21:18:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:18:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: VisionLand amusement park now 'Alabama Adventure' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Mbe_0dhIIATyMNDMTe_aaMK6Mlkh8Xa_9nGAE_Wf1xVQZso X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sorry! I've made a few errors: WMPI-NBC 15 & BESSERER, AL -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 3/27/2006 > The Birmingham News=20 > Associated Press > WMPI-ABC 15 > http://www.wpmi.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=3DA2CECA18-E780- > 4BF4-A5D7-490D5B36DC53 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 14:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90333 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 22:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 22:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 22:36:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:36:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:36:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QP7zKYfyRTUfjL9zIpvXK-9ZgMjvqLf8Ir0cpUndPmbS3Ps X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 26, 2006 About.com http://usmilitary.about.com/b/a/255420.htm A national company's program offering free amusement park tickets to=20 the nation's troops and their families has become so popular it will be=20 extended another year. Anheuser-Busch began the program, called "Here's to the Heroes," in=20 February 2005. The company had planned to end it early this year. Over=20 900,000 people took advantage of the program in 2005, and awareness is=20 only growing. The corporation expects a total of 2 million participants=20 by this year's end. ------ =A92006 About, Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 14:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56789 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 22:50:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:50:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:50:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:50:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:50:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dozens Hurt in Amusement Park Stampede X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=K3mQUjynW0ukuzfXFLbZYoUqt31a7vxY20km_1zsx29JH28 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 MARCH 27, 2006 Dong-A.com http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=3D2006032717878 Seoul, South Korea -- Dozens of people were injured trying to enter=20 Lotte World amusement park in Seoul after a crowd of about 70,000=20 showed up for a free admission promotion yesterday morning. The free admission event, which was originally planned to continue=20 until March 31, was held in order to publicly apologize for the death=20 of a roller coaster passenger earlier this month. By 4:00 a.m., tens of thousands of people, mostly from the Seoul=20 Metropolitan area and Chungcheong Province, gathered in front of the=20 4 gates of LW. By 9:30 a.m., the park's opening time, a total of=20 70,000 were ready to enter the park. Observers say the Songpa Police warned LW several times that it=20 needed to be prepared ahead of time for just such an occurrence, but=20 Lotte World did not request police's assistance. LW announced that it has canceled the free admission promotion. -------------=20 Copyright 2002 donga.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 14:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95481 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 22:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 22:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 22:59:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:58:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 22:58:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:58:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dania Beach Amusement park plans kosher fun for Passover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8lMgTD5wGGvnziYSc5L4zxOSkItFWa3-U2iN6ORTPILVCkA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 25, 2006 The Miami Herald http://origin.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/coun ties/broward_county/14184109.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_broward_county BY JERRY BERRIOS Dania, FL -- Broward's own kosher crusader is doing it again. For the second year running, Rabbi Pinny Andrusier has organized a=20 day of faith and fun for observant Jews - and everybody else - during=20 the Jewish holiday of Passover. On April 17, Boomers! amusement park and arcade in Dania Beach will=20 close its concession stands and make room for specially prepared=20 barbecue grills that meet the strict food-preparation requirements of=20 the holiday. "We are celebrating the liberation of the Jewish people=20 coming out of slavery," said Andrusier, the religious leader of the=20 Chabad of Southwest Broward. "We don't have to live like slaves in=20 the kitchen. We can go have fun at Boomers!" They'll serve barbecued chicken and hot dogs, potato chips, cans of=20 kosher-for-Passover Coca-Cola and Diet Coke from New York, and Icees. During the weeklong holiday which this year begins at sundown April=20 12, Jews must avoid leavened bread, products made from flour, and a=20 long list of other foods, depending on the level of observance. Thus,=20 no bun with those hot dogs on a stick. An estimated 5,000 people attended last year's event at Boomers!,=20 Andrusier said. "The speakers play Jewish music. We take over the=20 whole park," Andrusier said. Andrusier successfully pushed to add kosher options at Joe Robbie=20 Stadium, now Dolphins Stadium, and he organized Yidstock, an event=20 that combined concerts and rides for kids. Last December, Andrusier organized Universal Chanukah at Universal=20 Studios in Orlando. 2 restaurants served only kosher food. Some park=20 mascots - Curious George, Woody Woodpecker, Popeye, Olive Oyl, Scooby- Doo - helped light the menorah candles. The idea is to have families - young adults, teenagers, kids and=20 parents - celebrate together in a wholesome, fun environment,=20 Andrusier said. Visitors from around the state and the globe are slated to attend the=20 event and stay in South Florida hotels. "Florida is the mecca of=20 Passover vacations," Andrusier said. For one admission price, the amusement park's 622 video and arcade=20 games will be free all day, as will the roller coaster, go-karts,=20 stock-karts, bumper boats, and 200'-high Blender, batting cages,=20 laser tag, 5 miniature golf courses and the park's other rides. Games offering prizes will still require tokens. Newport Beach-based Palace Entertainment, the parent company of=20 Boomers!, tries to work with its visitors, said Rebecca Tortorelli,=20 VP of marketing. "We want our guests to be as comfortable as possible=20 and have the best time," Tortorelli said. "We will do whatever we can=20 to accommodate their special requests." ---------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 15:09:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27670 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 23:09:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 23:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 23:08:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:08:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Buckeye students create half a dozen rollercoasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X_1Q-M-j0bftP8mroGkb6VBk7aaBvbIS5UH9f1SdiIQoFLE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 20, 2006 Medina Gazette http://www.medina-gazette.com/Articles.asp?num=3D59059955 By MICHELLE PARK MEDINA, OH -=97 Room 47 at Buckeye High School became somewhat of an=20 amusement park last week when 6 rollercoasters moved in. Much like those at true amusement parks, the rollercoasters had=20 colorful themes, high inclines and commercials that advertised them. When asked if they would ride the coasters if they could, most of the=20 17 students in the class said no. One senior, Adam Carver, cited=20 concerns with the materials used to construct them. "If I ever rode a=20 rollercoaster made out of a vacuum tube, I'd be terrified," said the=20 18-y.o. It seems his worries may have been justified. Many of the steel balls=20 that did ride the rollercoasters flew off, dropped from or=20 disappeared inside the rides. 6 groups of students in Carrie Keith's physics class built=20 rollercoasters, all of which were unique. One was decorated like a=20 jungle, another was built out of popsicle sticks and the tallest was=20 painted hot pink and featured a glittery, colorful rainbow with white=20 cotton clouds. On March 20, the students presented their rollercoasters and the=20 commercials they created to market them. For the rest of the week,=20 they used formulas and equations to calculate figures, such as the=20 maximum height, speed and potential energy. The rollercoasters were required to use gravity and centripetal force=20 to roll a steel ball from beginning to end. The students could use=20 only mechanical devices, such as a pulley or a motor, to transport=20 the ball up the 1st hill of the rollercoasters, Keith said. Seniors Michael Decker and Brad McQueen used a duct-tape conveyer=20 belt to roll the steel ball up to the top of their rollercoaster's=20 hill. Pencils, copper and wood were used to build the project. A group of 4 seniors built what they called the Rollercoaster of Love=20 using PVC pipe, an old metal shelf and a pool vacuum tube.=20 Photographs of the 4 =97 Carver, Adam Harrison, Tom Vasel and Kyle=20 Wolff =97 hung from string on heart-shaped pieces of paper. The 4 built the rollercoaster in about 8 work sessions, Wolff said. The idea for it came immediately, Vasel said. "When we all first=20 heard about the rollercoaster project, we all started singing it," he=20 said, referring to the Red Hot Chili Peppers song "Love=20 Rollercoaster." The hardest part of the project was designing and building the lift=20 to pull the steel ball to the top of the rollercoaster's 7' hill,=20 agreed the students. Despite the challenge, they said it was fun. "It=20 was outside the classroom," Harrison said. "Anytime it's outside the=20 classroom, it's a plus." Senior Angela Johnson, who built a racecar-themed rollercoaster with=20 senior Dylan Sorge, agreed. "It sparks your interest more," she=20 said. "You get to do this, and it's exciting." In their calculations, Johnson and Sorge determined that proportional=20 to the Lego figures on their Dart 500, the rollercoaster's maximum=20 height was about 138'. Its maximum speed was about 3.29 meters per=20 second. The students' grades for the assignment ride on whether the=20 rollercoasters worked, how stable the structures were and how well=20 they endured multiple test runs, Keith said. Through building the rollercoasters and later completing those=20 calculations, students should learn several physics content=20 standards, including energy, friction and centripetal force, Keith=20 added. "It makes them apply the stuff that they've learned," she=20 said. "We do a lot of equations on paper, but it's all abstract. Johnson and Sorge said they learned about how centripetal force=20 relates to rollercoaster loops through the project.=20 Despite the fact Sorge said he wouldn't ride the Dart 500 even if he=20 could because "it doesn't work half the time," he enjoyed the=20 assignment. "I think it's the best part of the class," he said. "This=20 applies it all and makes it interesting." ------- =A9 2005 Medina County Gazette From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 15:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6269 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 23:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 23:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 23:16:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 23:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 23:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 23:16:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:16:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PROMO: Win a VIP pass to Codona's and meet Harry and Hagrid look-a-likes! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=itRSCNdZVjGIO-0lRmb2ufVVCsae6sLVL9CeJaSsJPAAGYk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 29/03/2006 The Buchan Observer http://www.buchanie.co.uk/archived/2006/week_13/news/codonas.asp Aberdeen, Grampian UK -- There's something big on the horizon at=20 Codona's Amusement Park in Aberdeen... And you could be part of it if you enter our super competition to win=20 a VIP family pass for the North-east's biggest funfair. You could be standing shoulder to knee with the giant Hagrid of Harry=20 Potter fame! And you could be meeting Mr Potter himself (look-a- likes) if you win our fabulous competition. Codona's have given the Buchan Observer an Easter Extravaganza VIP=20 family pass for 4 on Sunday, April 16. The prize includes, meeting=20 the characters plus unlimited use of all the rides in the park,=20 unlimited use of Rambos, Treasure Island and the Super Dodgems in=20 Sunset Boulevard, a main course from the buffet in Ocean's Diner in=20 Miami Beach and a Goody Bag for the kids on departure. This VIP Family Fun Day Prize is for 2 adults and 2 children or 1=20 adult and 3 children valued at =A344. At Codona's, on Links Road, you can enjoy all the fun of the fair in=20 its outside amusement park, but if it's raining you can equally have=20 fun in Sunset Boulevard, the No. 1 indoor family entertainment=20 centre, which also has bars and restaurants to suit all ages.=20 Uniquely situation beside a multiplex cinema, seafront cafes, leisure=20 pool, ice skating, golf course and Aberdeen's legendary beach, you=20 will have a visit to remember. Codona's amusement park now boasts 3 roller coasters, including=20 Scotland's only Looping Star roller coaster, a white water log flume,=20 haunted house, waltzer, simulators and numerous kiddies rides,=20 including free family entertainment shows throughout the summer. Sunset Boulevard, Scotland's greatest indoor family entertainment=20 centre, opens daily from 10am, 7 days a week, all year round, and=20 offers fun second to none in its awesome, state-of-the-art indoor=20 complex. You can enjoy ten-pin bowling, Caesars Games Emporium, The Games Deck=20 video arcade, Wimpy restaurant, Ramboland, dodgems, and a lounge bar=20 with eight American pool tables. The dazzlingly different Miami Beach=20 is Scotland's most stylish restaurant, bar and grill. You will be=20 wowed by its look and amazed by the choice on three levels of leisure=20 and entertainment. There is a wide range of food and drink available from the quality=20 menu and sumptuous 'Miami Buffet' with children well catered for.=20 During the holidays, children's entertainment is provided and=20 throughout the year there are regular family events on offer. On the=20 upper level Cuba Bar boasts 10 quality, full-size American pool=20 tables. So don't miss out on a fabulous Easter treat - win our VIP=20 family pass for 4 by answering the following question: Q: Who wrote the Harry Potter books? Once you have the answer, simply pop it on a postcard and send it to:=20 Codona's competition, The Buchan Observer, 17 Chapel Street,=20 Peterhead, AB42 1TH, to arrive no later than Friday, April 7. Good=20 luck! --------- =A9 2006 Archant Regional From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 06:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62353 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 14:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 14:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 14:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 14:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 14:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 14:41:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GKAyEXqbI2Gg1RmMax8FnTkQTwkeI-nhL4hCWlFz13x_TxfIQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > March 26, 2006 > About.com > http://usmilitary.about.com/b/a/255420.htm >=20 >=20 > A national company's program offering free amusement park tickets to=20 > the nation's troops and their families has become so popular it will=20 be extended another year. Now I have to get to the US by the end of this year to try and take=20 advantage of this... From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 06:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6479 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 14:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 14:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 14:48:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 14:47:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:47:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.36 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dozens Hurt in Amusement Park Stampede X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=uig0ydnYmTlzMtj6ws66CGXFBiQSFphiDh0aalpqRmEz7z3cWw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > MARCH 27, 2006 > Dong-A.com > http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=3D2006032717878 >=20 >=20 > Seoul, South Korea -- Dozens of people were injured trying to enter=20 > Lotte World amusement park in Seoul after a crowd of about 70,000=20 > showed up for a free admission promotion yesterday morning. >=20 > The free admission event, which was originally planned to continue=20 > until March 31, was held in order to publicly apologize for the=20 death=20 > of a roller coaster passenger earlier this month. >=20 > By 4:00 a.m., tens of thousands of people, mostly from the Seoul=20 > Metropolitan area and Chungcheong Province, gathered in front of=20 the=20 > 4 gates of LW. By 9:30 a.m., the park's opening time, a total of=20 > 70,000 were ready to enter the park. >=20 > Observers say the Songpa Police warned LW several times that it=20 > needed to be prepared ahead of time for just such an occurrence,=20 but=20 > Lotte World did not request police's assistance. >=20 > LW announced that it has canceled the free admission promotion. > -------------=20 > Copyright 2002 donga.com Lotte World was the most horribly overcrowded park I have ever been=20 to, particularly on my first trip. Giant Frisbee/Gyro Swings tend to=20 be people eaters, the line for theirs was three hours. Ugh. I=20 couldn't hardly move for all the people.=20 Chris B From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Mar 29 09:36:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39814 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 17:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 17:36:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:36:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.105.132.27 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Disney: Trip Reports 1 of 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=W3pisaSULoBLyl44jGgxZIvqWL7gDmyBns9HM2ydJy0U0gVRPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg Hello to all of those who remember me and to those who don't. Just got back from a 6 Day Park Hopper for Walt Disney World.... sorry I di= dn't call you=20 George! The trip was amazing and I had so much fun. It had been almost 11 years sin= ce my last=20 visit to the Walt Disney Resort, so a LOT has changed. There were so many t= hings that I=20 was looking forward to at each park. Magic Kingdom : Phillarmagic , Goofy's Barnstormer (Credit! haha jk, my Fia= nces 4 year old=20 loved it) , and old favorites like Haunted Mansion , Peter Pan , Space Moun= tain and finally=20 getting to ride Splash Mountain! Things not looking forward on the trip.... of course Mr. Toad being gone an= d giving birth=20 to that stinkin' Pooh Bear ; and also Pirates is down until July. Epcot: Test Track, Mission Space are both new and old favs like Figment and= well.... Epcot=20 never had much to offer to me as a child , but we'll see how that has chang= ed now. MGM: Don't remember much when i went there on previous visits, but they hav= e added=20 Tower of Terror and Rock N Roller Coaster which both were on my To Do List. Aniaml Kingdom is BRAND new and although never was something I wanted to go= to, but=20 with the addition of Expedition Everest.... I was actually excited to go to= that park. Out of the 6 day Park Hopper, we hopped 3 of the 6 days. 1st day , we went to Magic Kingdom. (on a Sunday this was not a good thing,= but it was=20 my fiances 4 year olds very first visit, so I wanted his first impression t= o be a good one) 2nd day we went to MGM all day. 3rd day we went to Aniaml Kingdom (met up w/ Don and Mon, fellow Coaster To= ols from=20 California) then hopped that night, just me and my fiance while her parents= took Michael=20 back to the resort to swim, we went back to the Magic Kingdom. 4th day was an all day Epcot adventure... 5th day was Magic Kingdom in the morning , MGM in the middle of the day , a= nd back to=20 MGM that night. 6th day was only a partial day, her parents had some things to do around th= e resort (time=20 shares are great) then we went to Epcot for a few hours to finish up some t= hings before we=20 started to drive back home. So this will be my 1st installment of 6. This trip kinda came up last minute. My then girlfriends sister had Spring = Break from=20 college and wanted to go to Flrodia. Her parents who are a part of a Time S= hare, tried to=20 get a place for 4 people, but they were all full/booked. The only place the= ir company had,=20 was at a fancy resort that slept up to 8 people. So they asked us if we wan= ted to go. I was already miserable at my new job that I started back in December, and = had already=20 tested for another job. I hadn't quite GOT the other job, but knew I would = (plus I had the=20 option to go back to my old job) So i put in my 2 weeks notice, so that aft= er I quit , I could=20 go on this Disney Trip with a free place to stay. We ended up getting a 6 day park hopper instead of the 4 day we orginially = planned since=20 it was only a few more dollars. So we had to find a cheap hotel for the fir= st 2 nights. The friday before we left, I proposed to my girlfriend. So now we're engage= d! The next morning we drove the 12.5 hours with many stops due to the 4 year = old. So our=20 12.5 hour trip turned out to be well over 14 hours. Sunday morning we get up, just the 3 of us, and go to the Magic Kingom. It was rather crowded, as we entered the park, it looked as if everyone was= headed toward=20 Tomorrow Land (which always looked crowded throughout the week). We hit the Jungle Cruise first thing, our guide was rather lame and had sim= ilar jokes that=20 rivaled those of Cedar Points Paddlewheel Excursion. Next was Aladdin's Magic Carpets , I set this one out w/ the stroller and c= amera bag. They=20 seemed to have fun, as it was only a 5 minute wait. This is also where I fo= und out that I=20 had left my video tapes back at the hotel! We then went to the Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management. I wasn't loo= king=20 forward to this, since I had heard it was horrible. I was always a huge fan= of the original,=20 and even dragged Brian F. into it at Disneyland. (He's still asking for his= 5 minutes of his=20 life back). But I was pleasantly surprised, also Michael loved seeing Iago = and the other bird=20 from Lion King. Also, when we got into the park, I purchased a *PAL MICKEY* for Michael and= after an hour=20 we realized it was broken, considering it would do nothing but vibrate and = giggle. So we=20 ended up taking it back to the Emporium and was given a brand new one with = no=20 questions asked. The CAST member was very nice and helpful. Back to the action.... we then left Adventure Land and headed toward Fronti= erland. Me and Michael jumped onto Splash Mountain, with only a 2 log wait. This wa= s my first=20 time riding it, as all my other times (over 11 years ago) had an hour or so= wait. I absolutely loved this ride, it was just tons of fun. Lots of great songs,= scenery, story,=20 drops. Not to mention the BIG drop was great, didn't get too soaked, even t= hough I was=20 setting in the front seat. We had a blast. It's safe to say that this is by= far my favorite Water=20 Ride. We then got our fast pass for Big Thunder Mountain and bypassed a good 45 m= inute wait.=20 Michael was thrilled with this coaster, he's now 46" tall and was able to r= ide almost every=20 ride at Disney. Big Thunder then became *The Crazy Train* for the rest of t= he trip. He=20 screamed and held his hands up the entire time ; he's becoming quite the li= l' coaster tool. Next up we went through and grabbed a bite to eat at Pecos Bill's. Michael = had some=20 grilled chicken slices while Erin sharred some of her BBQ sandwhich and fri= es with me.=20 After eating, we skipped the Parade that was about to start, and hit up Hau= nted Mansion.=20 Haunted Mansion has always been one of my favorite rides, and it still is. = We enjoyed a=20 ride after only waiting 5-10 minutes. We then skipped Fantasy Land (waiting for Erin's parents and sister to join= us for that) and=20 went over to Tomorrow Land to grab a FastPass for Space Mountain. Mikey's Toon Town was next, waited 30 minutes for Barntstormer, got our cre= dit and then=20 went to see Mikey and Minnies house. Met Mikey and got his autograph and th= en rode the=20 train from Toon Town back to Adventure Land while waiting for the rest of o= ur crew to=20 show up. By this time, her parents met us in front of the Mickey/Walt statue just in= time for the=20 parade. Michael had other plans, as he started to tell us he needed to *poo= p*. So I had the=20 pleasure of RUNNING like crazy through Adventure land to the only toilet I = had=20 remembered seeing that day. It ended up being a photo-finish as we barely m= ade it to the=20=20 toilet. We then made it back to finish watching the parade. We then went to ride Stich (which was lame besides the animatronic Stich); = my brother had=20 ridden Alien Encounter a long time ago so I knew what to expect. After Stic= h it was over to=20 Space Mountain for our Fast Pass, this time bypassing a good 50 minute wait= . Michael=20 loved it, we rode the one to the right for his first ride. He held his hand= s up and screamed=20 in joy, just like we all should right? After SM we went to Buzz Light Year ; I had ridden the DisneyLand version a= nd I can't really=20 tell if they were the exact same or not. I know they were simiiar, and I kn= ow that I got=20 90,000 points compared to my fiances 20,000! that's what happens when I tak= e over the=20 controls! Next we went to Fantasy Land, did Phillarmagic (which was great, loved all = the songs they=20 chose) , Snow White, Peter Pan and It's a Small World were all hit up by th= e end of the=20 night. Later we then all 6 rode Big Thunder Mountain thanks to Fast Pass ag= ain, bypassing=20 another 45-50 minute line. Went back and at in Libery Square, watched some of the fireworks and then c= losed the=20 night by riding Pooh. Again, I was saddened that Mr Toad is NO longer there= , but my=20 fiance LOVES Pooh Bear, so she enjoyed herself. After that, we headed to the main gate, the three of us rode the Monorail b= ack to the=20 parking lot trams ; while her parents used their brilliant scam of riding t= he Monorail back=20 to the Contemporary Resort, then riding a bus back to Downtown Disney where= they=20 parked for free. (more to come on this brilliant idea later) So all in all we had a good long day. Park hours were 9am-11pm ; we got the= re at 9:15'sh=20 and left right at 11pm. We got to ride almost everything that we wanted to = (Indy cars had=20 50 minute line all week and we never rode it) , all while taking our time a= nd not really=20 rushing things. FastPass is great and not everyone knows about it, some peo= ple are just=20 too stupid to read their park map! I love the Magic Kingdom and it was great to come back after 11 years. I had been to Disneyland twice since then, and fell back in love w/ Disney. Stay tuned for Day 2 ; MGM! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 12:57:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71847 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 20:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 20:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 20:57:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 20:57:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 20:57:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:57:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=75bDUHdvUG3opz2yA40DzSKE2Q4TPYbYSqyVxqqoNql2y-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Do you want us to start a campain to "Bring Chris Home!"? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > March 26, 2006 > > About.com > > http://usmilitary.about.com/b/a/255420.htm > > A national company's program offering free amusement park tickets=20 to=20 > > the nation's troops and their families has become so popular it=20 will=20 > be extended another year. > Now I have to get to the US by the end of this year to try and take=20 > advantage of this... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 14:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98051 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 22:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 22:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 22:54:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 22:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 22:52:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:52:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hamm denies role in loan to park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_LIR_TRqj78ZvKKXxEuo9Dw60FVrK5WAWBe4RK6I6_vRdr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 29, 2006 CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/ns/story/ns-hamm-loan20060329.html?ref=3Drss Greenhill, Nova Scotia, CA -- Former premier John Hamm insists he did=20 not influence cabinet to approve a loan to a money-losing amusement=20 park owned by a friend. Hamm appeared Wednesday before an all-party legislative committee=20 investigating the $350,000 loan to Magic Valley in Pictou County. Hamm said the Pictou regional development agency lobbied him to=20 support the park, but he excused himself from cabinet discussions=20 whenever the subject came up because of a possible conflict of=20 interest. "Had I not been sensitive to the perceived conflict, I=20 would have been far more aggressive in promoting the file," Hamm told=20 the public accounts committee. Cabinet approved the interest-free, forgivable loan to MV in=20 February, days before Hamm stepped down as premier. The owner of the=20 park, Bill MacNeil, worked on Hamm's 1998 and 1999 campaigns. The park, outside New Glasgow, started to lose visitors after other=20 theme parks opened and Highway 104 was twinned. At the time the loan=20 was approved, MV owed the province more than $200,000. Hamm told the committee at no time did he talk about the loan with=20 Paul Taylor, deputy minister of economic development, or any other=20 government officials handling the file. Prior to the file going to cabinet, Hamm made 5 inquiries to the=20 Office of Economic Development asking to be kept up to date. Liberal MLA Michel Samson suggested to Hamm that his conduct may have=20 helped MV in its bid for government funding. "Somehow in all this it=20 was decided in the Office of Economic Development with the e-mails=20 coming from your office looking for updates, let's give Mr. Bill=20 MacNeil $350,000," Samson said. Hamm said he had nothing to do with approving the loan and,=20 considering MacNeil was a friend of his, deliberately avoided a=20 discussion about the file with the economic development minister at=20 the time, Ernie Fage. "He mentioned the file to me and I said=20 minister on this file I can't tell you what to do. Do what you think=20 is right," Hamm said. Fage recommended the loan to cabinet, although the public accounts=20 committee has been unable to find out whether civil servants did. 2=20 senior bureaucrats have testified it was cabinet that made the final=20 decision. Still, Hamm said MV is important to the economy of Pictou County and=20 he defends the $350,000 loan. "I will support my community. It's not=20 about me. If you let politics be about you, you're already halfway to=20 failure. It's got to be about what you do and who you represent," he=20 said. The public accounts committee is trying to find out why the Hamm=20 cabinet approved the loan to MV and a similar one worth $250,000 to=20 S&J Potato Farms. Ernie Fage resigned as minister of economic development on Feb. 16=20 after admitting he was in a conflict of interest. He never told his=20 cabinet colleagues that S&J leases land from his family. New Democrat Graham Steele, one of the committee members, said the 2=20 cases show "you could drive a truck through the code of conduct for=20 ministers." "If a minister or premier is in a conflict of interest, they need to=20 declare it. It needs to be clear to the civil servants and all the=20 other ministers involved in the file that there is to be no=20 communication with that minister or premier," he said. Steele said taxpayers have a right to know whether MV got free money=20 based on its business case or its high-level connections. ---------- =A9 CBC 2006 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 14:57:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40807 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 22:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 22:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 22:57:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 22:56:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 22:56:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:56:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Boardwalk amusement center staff bound, robbed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3QRfiauVwsAARY6yoG5XpzaZA2EIh59frrMf3c92uR3c_sA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 29, 2006 Sign On San Diego http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060329-1144- bn29robbery.html EL CAJON, CA -=96 Employees of an indoor amusement park were bound and=20 robbed by 4 men Tuesday night, police said. The employees closed the Boardwalk amusement park on Fletcher Parkway=20 near Marshall Avenue about 10:20 p.m. and were about to leave for the=20 night when 4 men wearing ski masks and gloves forced them back=20 inside, police said. The robbers, one of whom had a handgun, ordered the employees to open=20 the safe. They took an undetermined amount of cash and some personal=20 items from the employees, police said. The victims were tied up and left in the business while the robbers=20 ran away, police said. The victims, who were not injured, were able=20 to free themselves and call for help. Police ask anyone with information to call (619) 579-3311. ---------- Copyright 2006 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 15:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23635 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 23:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 23:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 23:06:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 23:03:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2006 23:03:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:03:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: America's Oldest Amusement Park Marks 160 Seasons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JJLy_8BnB5MHXRMW_xt8Nf92gONCe3Br4oD8jIuZWSkWePs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 29, 2006 Press Release: Lake Compounce PRIMEZONE Yahoo! Business http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060329/96414.html BRISTOL and SOUTHINGTON, CN -- Lake Compounce Family Theme Park,=20 which opens its doors on May 13 for its 160th season, has grown from=20 the site of a failed electrical experiment into one of Connecticut's=20 treasure troves, has survived the advent of theme parks continues its=20 dramatic growth. Owned by Kennywood Entertainment of Pittsburgh, PA,=20 the park is home to the only wooden roller coaster built into the=20 side of a mountain, there is free Pepsi, among other trademarks, and=20 the park is rich in history. To actually commemorate the 160th season, there will be a plaque=20 placed in the park on opening day and there will be various=20 celebrations throughout the summer. But the real celebration for LC=20 will be the opening of a new multi-million dollar ride, Thunder 'N=20 Lightning, and the steady unveiling of even more rides and=20 attractions in the next year, according to Jerry Brick, who recently=20 completed his first year as the youngest GM in the park's=20 history. "Last year, our numbers were up 12% and we anticipate even=20 greater results this season, the beginning of our 161st year," said=20 Brick. "Despite the influx of theme parks and bigger amusement parks=20 over the last 40 years, we think LC will always remain an industry=20 institution and one of America's finest family destinations. There=20 are so many visitors to the park every year who tell us stories of=20 special things they remember and we would like to capture all of=20 those memories." LC has been awarded "Best of Connecticut" by readers of Connecticut=20 Magazine for the past 6 years in a row. With amazing new rides and=20 entertainment, LC is expecting its 160th season to be the best yet. The story of LC began in 1846 when Gad Norton, a property-owner in=20 Bristol, CN, was approached by scientists who wished to use his 28- acre lake for an "experiment in electricity". The well-publicized=20 event drew thousands of spectators to Norton's beautiful 300+ acres=20 of property amidst woods and water. Though the scientific experiment=20 failed, visitors were so enamored with Norton's property that he=20 decided to open it to the public as a picnicking and swimming area. From that day forward, the property grew as a family amusement center=20 to include rides and a concert ballroom. In 1914, the Green Dragon,=20 LC's first electric powered roller coaster was opened. In 1937,=20 the "Starlite Ballroom" was expanded to host acts such as Cab=20 Calloway and the young, up and coming vocalist, Frank Sinatra. The=20 genuine open-air trolley and one of America's oldest Carousels, both=20 built in 1911, remain favorites of park visitors to this day. The Norton's owned the park until 1986 when it was sold to a series=20 of owners. In 1996 Kennywood Entertainment purchased the park. Since=20 then, more than $60 million in rides and attractions have been added,=20 and the park continues to grow. Thunder 'N Lightning, will be a=20 thrilling new ride - a screaming swing which catapults riders to=20 heights of almost 100' at 60 mph, Brick added. Its 2 giant swinging=20 arms will hold 32 passengers moving with 4 Gs of force. -------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PrimeZone Media Network From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 03:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23978 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 11:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 11:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.221) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 11:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 11:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 11:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 11:38:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:38:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2gSITWMVUdJkK5KBojYfN7S7xbzM6s8oSU4ueYlxFokYXmadKA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Do you want us to start a campain to "Bring Chris Home!"? >=20 > -Alan Actually, I am finally moving back to the US after 6 years in Italy,=20 Bahrain and Japan. Right now it looks like Washington state in October.=20 Does anybody here live around Seattle / Tacoma? Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 04:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68587 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 12:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 12:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 12:14:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:14:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Florida Trip Report Part I X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=kj1kEWQdBoV4YzyZF8AuUhkf9Xa4g2MlEJpW4t6MF_Lmdfc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: >=20 > Okay, I think that's it for Universal. Next up is Animal Kingdom. Nice TR Nate. Not really anything I can comment on or add to it. :) Looking forward to your TR on Animal Kingdom and, I'm guessing, Everest. Wondering how your feelings about the park and ride will compare to mine. keep on ridin' George (who should get his TR from Costa Rica up soon) From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 05:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60077 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 13:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 13:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 13:57:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 13:56:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 13:56:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:56:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.5.7 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Disney: Trip Reports 1 of 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=clpl5od6nEzR9FOz9qUokSzh5bI9dPPU9M55fgz7539c3Tw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > The friday before we left, I proposed to my girlfriend. So now we're engaged! A big congrats!! Hey, after June I'll be an "official" minister, so if you're looking for someone to perform the ceremony... hehe, sorry. Seriously though, I'm really happy for you. Told ya someone would be out there for you! :) > The next morning we drove the 12.5 hours with many stops due to the 4 year old. So our=20 > 12.5 hour trip turned out to be well over 14 hours. Ahh, yes, the fun of traveling with a little one. If you only had to add on 90 minutes, you did good. With mine at that age we'd have 7 hour drives take us 11. Ugggg. It does get better as they get older. > We then went to the Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management. I wasn't looking=20 > forward to this, since I had heard it was horrible. I was always a huge fan of the original,=20 > and even dragged Brian F. into it at Disneyland. (He's still asking for his 5 minutes of his=20 > life back). But I was pleasantly surprised, also Michael loved seeing Iago and the other bird=20 > from Lion King. So how does this compare to the version at Disneyland. I LOVE the Tiki Room at Disneyland, but I've been afraid about this one. Brian just doesn't know what he should be liking. :) > Me and Michael jumped onto Splash Mountain, with only a 2 log wait. This was my first=20 > time riding it, as all my other times (over 11 years ago) had an hour or so wait. > I absolutely loved this ride, it was just tons of fun. Lots of great songs, scenery, story,=20 > drops. Not to mention the BIG drop was great, didn't get too soaked, even though I was=20 > setting in the front seat. We had a blast. It's safe to say that this is by far my favorite Water=20 > Ride. Better than Dudley Do Right at IOA? Can't wait to ride this one later on in the year. > he's becoming quite the lil' coaster tool. Gee, wonder where he's learning that from? ;P > By this time, her parents met us in front of the Mickey/Walt statue just in time for the=20 > parade. Michael had other plans, as he started to tell us he needed to *poop*. So I had the=20 > pleasure of RUNNING like crazy through Adventure land to the only toilet I had=20 > remembered seeing that day. It ended up being a photo-finish as we barely made it to the=20=20 > toilet. We then made it back to finish watching the parade. LOL!! Just be happy you missed the first couple of years. You get more than a couple of mad dashes then. hehe. > After that, we headed to the main gate, the three of us rode the Monorail back to the=20 > parking lot trams ; while her parents used their brilliant scam of riding the Monorail back=20 > to the Contemporary Resort, then riding a bus back to Downtown Disney where they=20 > parked for free. (more to come on this brilliant idea later) Yeah, we learned about this last November. Disney knows about it, which is why you can no longer catch a bus from Downtown Disney straight to a park, but have to go to a hotel first. But it means you can float around all of the hotels and resorts for nothing except food money. That can be a full day adventure in itself. A lot of fun, and hopefully Disney won't crack down on it and start requiring room keys to ride the busses and monorails. >=20 > I love the Magic Kingdom and it was great to come back after 11 years. > I had been to Disneyland twice since then, and fell back in love w/ Disney. Hehe, yeah, you and Josh really have become Disney nuts since we first met. Seems like it's just popped out of you. I'm really looking forward to finally seeing the rest of disneyworld. We've got tickets sitting at home that we have to use before October 31, so looks like I'll finally get to see the park at some point this year. Thanks for the great TR, and good to see you posting again! keep on ridin George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 06:23:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81622 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 14:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 14:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 14:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 14:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 14:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 14:23:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:23:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.5.7 From: "George Burnash" Subject: TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=m2lwo_RCng7wm2izZ3kRKGnhBDOsaBl4nbCOHLVogWOY19E X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Parque de Diversiones, outside of San Jose, Costa Rica The people: Me, my wife Margaret, and kids, Amber and Joseph Crowds: pretty much non existent Weather: nice and mild. A bit cloudy and not to hot or cold Pictures at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/1314650/1/61992523 We had the opportunity to visit Costa Rica for a week, and weren't going to pass it up. We had been invited down to work at a conference for workers down there, and work with their children to give them a break. We happily accepted and, since it happened to overlap with our Spring Break where we teach, took the opportunity to take the kids and spend a few extra days sightseeing. Among our stops were the Poas volcano, a cruise down one of the rivers spotting wildlife, and exploring the city of San Jose. Along the way we found time to visit Parque de Diversiones outside of the city. Parque de Diversiones is the only amusement park in Costa Rica. It was built after a doctor in the children's wing at the local Hospital de Mexico decided that there needed to be a place for the kids. And he was astute enough to put in a business model that also manages to make some pretty good sized donations to the children's hospital in the process. Coming in I really didn't expect much, being that it's a park in Latin America, where the standards are often much lower than US ones in many areas (including upkeep, cleanliness, etc.) I was pleasantly surprised at the park. While it's not a huge park, it's very well upkept. Paint generally looked new, lots of green grass, trees and landscaping. And things looked well taken care of. While a couple of the rides were obviously older rides, they were in decent enough condition, even if they weren't pristine. They were running a 2 for 1 special on admissions, so we paid our 8,000 colones (about $16 US) for the 4 of us to get all we can ride passes. They stamped our arms with a bright red ink stamp to show that we had paid and we were off. First stop was straight ahead to their "new" ride- the Bocaraca (a type of poisonous viper). Painted bright yellow and blue, it looked great. You almost wouldn't recognize it from its days at Knobel's.=20 We had to wait for at least 8 riders to be able to ride, which took a few minutes. But once we gathered a couple of others, we walked through the hugely long queue up into the station and loaded up for the front row. Up the lift hill (which ominously didn't turn on until we were just about starting up it), then a quick, turning drop into the first corkscrew. After the first screw and a bump and bang, we turned around again and into the second corkscrew. One more turn and we were in the brake run. Just about how I remembered it at Knobel's. Not horrible, but not great either. But since it's about the only thing in Costa Rica with inversions (outside of a flat ride or two), I'm sure they're happy for what they have. From there we began to wander around a bit. We walked past an umbrella ride they were working on with pieces on the ground. We asked what they were doing, and they said they were taking it out.=20 But it looked like they were adding parts to it, so I'm not sure if we misunderstood or what the story was. They had a good number of other rides around the park also that didn't open throughout the day that would have been fun, including a Rock-O-Plane, the Skymaster (looked like a Fabbri Kamikazee), and old chair swing ride, and a few others. They had a nice looking drop ride that held you at the top for a looonnnggg time, but every time we tried to get on it, it was closed for something or other. After 2 tries, we gave up figuring it might not be something we'd want to try out after that. :) We took a ride on the octopus, which has always been one of my favorite rides. This was probably the longest ride cycle I've ever heard of on one of them. I'm sure it was 10 minutes, if not longer, and seemed to go on and on. It was great fun, and I had a blast, but Margaret was starting to feel queasy by the time they finally stopped it. We took a break in their long food court. This was essentially several restaurants built like you would normally find outside, but then had a large roof built over the entire area, providing a large pavilion like area to sit down and eat. A couple of slices of Papa John's pizza later, we were ready and off again to the rest of the park. Our next stop after walking through the nicely shaded and grassy picnic area was near the Ciclon, a Pinfari z47. Since we didn't see any operators on duty at the coaster, we went across the walkway to the antique car ride. With a fairly long course that doubles back on itself a couple of times, this is a fairly long ride. And it uses the older gasoline powered, self steering cars with just a guide rail to make sure that you don't drive somewhere you're not supposed to. It was great to see these, as this kind of a car where you really drive it seems to be disappearing. By the time we got off the coaster was open. They sent out one car at a time, so all four of us took up a complete car. Here the ride looked like it had been around a while. It also had OTSR's, which I didn't understand as it didn't need them, and instead resulted in a couple of head shots on a coaster that otherwise would have been painless with just lap belts like most of this style. A ride that could have been a lot of fun was essentially almost ruined by the restraints. To bad. We wandered around a looked at some more of the scenery and abundant kiddie rides (a small powered train, power coaster, small carousel with only 2 rows of aluminum-looking horses, and some others), and walked past a historic train they had parked on the side of the walkway. They also had a beautifully built "antique village", styled like colonial Costa Rica would have been with many pretty buildings and giving a nice history lesson for those school groups that come to the park. Walking past all of that is their spinning rapids ride. I've heard that the one at Cypress Gardens is the world's tallest, but if it is, then it's only got this one by a couple of feet. This also had a much longer trough, with a much more varied course, followed by an extensive ride in a lazy-river paced section of water that eventually leads back to the lift. The first thing that really catches your eye though is the water- a deep algae colored green. Yum, yum., but not altogether unexpected I guess. We decided to ride anyways, and started the long walk up the tower since they loaded at the top instead of the bottom. After riding, I have to say that even with the green water this is my favorite one of these I've been on so far. With the variety in the layout, and not knowing which way you were going to go, it was a lot of fun. And the nice slow ride at the end, floating along the river course back to the unload station was nice and relaxing. If we'd had more time we would have taken several more rides on it. It's truly a great ride. We had also spotted another water ride- one of the flumes that you see in some parks with the 2 person rafts, but we couldn't find that entrance, and felt we were wet enough. So we completed our loop and headed back into other parts of the park. We stopped by the drop tower ride, but were told that it was closed for a bit and would reopen later (though in retrospect I think they may have been saying they would have to wait for other riders) In any case, with it essentially closed on us, and with Margaret scared of riding a drop ride in Latin America for safety reasons, we headed back around the lake in the middle of the park and up the hill again. Here we headed over to the bumper cars, which on first glance looked like a fairly standard set of bumper cars that you might see at any park. Joseph and I each took one car, and Margaret and Amber got together in a third. But when the ride started, we quickly realized how different these were- they were probably the fastest bumper cars I've ever seen. Cars were regularly bouncing off the floor from the force of the collisions, and skidding around sideways on the hits. It would have been a blast- except Margaret didn't start well. She hit the gas pedal, and the car rocketed backwards, slamming into the side and snapping her head back. As soon as I saw it I figured she had a case of whiplash since she doesn't have a very strong neck anyways.=20 Sure enough, she had quit driving and they had to stop the ride to let her and the kids off. Which meant my ride was over too. L It was interesting the way the others on the ride reacted though.=20 Many were trying to help her when the ride was going, giving directions and steering clear of them. When it stopped, a couple started to get up to help her, and all seemed sympathetic, as opposed to the animosity that I'm used to seeing from other riders here in the states (and that I'm admittedly guilty of to often myself) But then that seems to be pretty typical of the Ticos (native Costa Ricans)- very friendly, helpful, and courteous. While Margaret recovered Amber and I took a run on their Tilt-A-Whirl, one still run with the old manual controls and with another long ride cycle. We had that spinning faster than I've had one spin in several years, and it was a lot of fun. We came off giggling like a couple of idiots and to big grins from the operator. We closed out our rides with a round on their "train", which is really a tractor with some siding on it to make it look like a train pulling several passenger cars around the park. Nice, relaxing, and with a good view of what they had. With our time starting to run out I took some more pictures, then we headed over to the one small souvenir shop over near the entrance, where I picked up a park t-shirt for $4. The selection was small- essentially just hats and shirts, but I couldn't complain with the prices. A couple of snacks for the kids, and a few more pictures and we were heading out to wait for our taxi. Overall the park was pretty nice. It's not extravagant, but then I didn't expect it to be either. The people were friendly, the food was decent, and the rides weren't bad, though it was apparent that most of them had been recycled from other places. It looked like they put a lot of time and care into the park, with it being very pretty, clean, and enjoyable just to walk around in. It's a park that I wouldn't mind visiting again if the opportunity arises. Pictures of just the park, along with captions, are on my smugmug pages at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/1314650/1/61992523 If you're interested in seeing some of the rest of what we say, you can find all of my other Costa Rica pictures in a slightly different location. They're organized, but not captioned as of yet, but they're at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Travel/173807 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 09:56:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21734 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.180) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 17:56:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:56:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=5xm-bNi8_vpOVF5Gy3JZCMhTeoL-yZNBMZVqfc7Yd8ePxDJ9ubcj X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > > Parque de Diversiones, outside of San Jose, Costa Rica Nice TR! It's good to see what places can do even when they don't have=20 a massive budget. > The first thing that really catches your eye > though is the water- a deep algae colored green. That kinda looks like that weird green color I've seen at Disneyland=20 before, like in the moat in front of Sleeping Beauty Castle. It might=20 be something they dye it. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 10:54:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82007 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 18:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 18:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 18:54:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 18:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 18:54:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:54:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XnPZG0taV2c1mkeOP-mhq8IKpvNlTauFC086_iLvM8aNAfA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 George, FYI - RCDB does not have any pictures of the Bocaraca. Just the=20 Whirlwind. (Hint-hint) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > > Parque de Diversiones, outside of San Jose, Costa Rica SNIP>=20 > First stop was straight ahead to their "new" ride- the Bocaraca (a > type of poisonous viper). Painted bright yellow and blue, it looked > great. You almost wouldn't recognize it from its days at Knobel's.=20 > We had to wait for at least 8 riders to be able to ride, which took=20 a > few minutes. But once we gathered a couple of others, we walked > through the hugely long queue up into the station and loaded up for > the front row. Up the lift hill (which ominously didn't turn on=20 until > we were just about starting up it), then a quick, turning drop into > the first corkscrew. After the first screw and a bump and bang, we > turned around again and into the second corkscrew. One more turn=20 and > we were in the brake run. Just about how I remembered it at=20 Knobel's. > Not horrible, but not great either. But since it's about the only > thing in Costa Rica with inversions (outside of a flat ride or two), > I'm sure they're happy for what they have. SNIP > http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Travel/173807 > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 11:12:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30425 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 19:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 19:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 19:12:18 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:12:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:12:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:12:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:12:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Joyland gets a bit of polish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kA4jzmZPha0hLVFdEdDmtSiraQKPa8pohK4Ncwk9QRnA9sk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 29, 2006 The Wichita Eagle http://www.charlotte.com/mld/kansas/business/14209301.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dkansas_business BY DAN VOORHIS Wichita, KS -- Work has begun in earnest at Joyland, but the 2=20 investors who hope to reopen the 56-y.o. amusement park still face=20 hurdles. Several people were cleaning and testing kiddie rides on=20 Tuesday. Investor Robert Barnard, who was at the park, was upbeat=20 about meeting their self-imposed deadlines. "Most of the stuff is=20 pretty good, everything but the coaster," Barnard said, "and believe=20 it or not, even the coaster is pretty good." Coaster enthusiasts from around the nation started pressure-washing=20 the coaster last weekend, he said. Barnard and partner Michael Moodenbaugh plan to open part of the park=20 for an Easter egg hunt April 16. That means cleaning and repairing=20 the picnic area, concession stands, log flume and kiddie rides. They will tear down the bathrooms this week and build new ones,=20 Barnard said. They say they will have all the rides working, the grounds repaved=20 and all the buildings - except the Old Frontier Town - renovated by=20 June 1. They say they plan to spend between $3-$5 million renovating=20 the park. However, Barnard and Moodenbaugh still have some obstacles to=20 overcome: =95 They have run into a small disagreement with the city of Wichita. The 2 want the city to mow and edge the I-135 and Pawnee=20 intersection, and along Hillside from Pawnee to 31st Street South.=20 The park is at 2801 S. Hillside. They also asked police for security help with the Easter egg hunt,=20 which they predict will attract 8,000 to 10,000 people. Those are part of a long list of services and financial incentives=20 that the 2 requested that the city provide in November. They repeated=20 their request last week, saying they had an agreement with the city. Last week, the investors said, Wichita City Manager George Kolb=20 replied in an e-mail that there was no agreement by the city to do=20 anything. Any help from the city must be approved by the City=20 Council. "We absolutely look forward to working with them when they=20 prepare a plan," said City Council member Jim Skelton. But Skelton said the investors may not qualify for any money because=20 the park may not be viewed as economic development. =95 It remains unclear whether the 2 have legal control of the site.=20 Neither the 2 investors nor owners Stanley and Margaret Nelson will=20 comment. It is clear that the 2 do not own the 42-acre site. They have said=20 they want to lease the park for a few months until the site can be=20 rezoned to allow apartment construction. Only the owners can request=20 the rezoning. They need the rezoning, they said, to have a development option in=20 order to secure less-expensive financing. If the park attracts the=20 350,000-450,000 people that they hope, they will buy the park=20 outright. Barnard said Tuesday that the Nelsons have asked them to not say=20 whether they have signed a lease. The Nelsons could not be reached=20 for comment. The Nelsons' representative, Allen Mairs of Occidental=20 Management, said he could not comment. Skelton said no rezoning request has been submitted to the city. ---------- Copyright 2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 11:17:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56452 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 19:17:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:17:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:17:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:17:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags signs deal to raise national profile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mHwNkHMVByOQqz2sfVP_JOuU-YZrncGzuvHEsLZUkRz82Kk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 30, 2006 New York Business http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?id=3D13298 by Catherine Tymkiw New York, NY -- Amusement-park operator Six Flags Inc. signed a deal=20 with a national pizza chain as part of a plan to raise its profile=20 across the country. Manhattan-based 6F named Papa John's International Inc. as the=20 exclusive pizza sold at 60 locations in its 29 amusement parks,=20 including several in New Jersey and NY state. 6F will receive an=20 annual sponsorship payment but the financial terms weren't disclosed. 6F spokeswoman Wendy Goldberg said the marketing alliance would make=20 the parks more consistent so that customers know when they are at a=20 6F location. Last month, 6F named Sunkist as the official fresh fruit=20 for its parks. CEO Mark Shapiro's other goal is to generate more income and reduce=20 the company's more than $2 billion of debt. The company recently=20 moved its headquarters to Broadway and 45th Street from Oklahoma in=20 order to focus on parks that have the most potential for growth. Louisville, Ky.-based Papa John's pizza boxes will display a 6F=20 advertisement and offer in-store promotions at 1,100 locations within=20 100 miles of a 6F park. The companies will promote each other to=20 their online customers. ---------- =A92006 Crain Communications Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 11:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59978 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 19:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 19:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 19:25:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:25:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:25:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:25:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Canadiana's giant engine is salvaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ndb4WVWjCDZ0EOpaKfmOqq1kpMhRYTnnZSbeCAbb8Q7E_cs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 3/30/2006 The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060330/1005202.asp By MARK SOMMER Niagara, Ontario, CA -- A piece of the Canadiana has been salvaged,=20 thanks to the last-minute intervention of local history buffs. The men beat a Friday deadline by raising $20,000 to save the giant=20 steam engine that once powered people across Lake Erie to Crystal=20 Beach Amusement Park in Ontario. The Canadiana was built in 1910, the last passenger vessel assembled=20 in Buffalo. It was 215'-long, with 3 passenger decks, an enormous=20 dance floor and an original capacity of 3,500 before its operation=20 ended in the late 1950s. After failed restoration efforts, the boat was scrapped in 2004. "I=20 just think this is one more important part of our history and our=20 heritage, and every piece of that we can save is important," said=20 attorney Michael Powers, who spearheaded the effort. Powers developed=20 a plan to save the engine with Orchard Park businessman Chris Alf and=20 Mark Judd, owner of Bidco Marine Group in the Old First Ward. Bidco=20 is the former Buffalo Dry Dock, where the Canadiana was built, and=20 the storage site for the ship's pilot house and a small part of the=20 hull. Powers agreed to set up an entity to raise money for the engine, Alf=20 would loan the funds and Judd would repair, refurbish and return the=20 old engine to operation. Their plan met the deadline for moving the=20 engine set by the company operating Sandrin Dry Dock near Port=20 Colborne, which said it needs the space. The sheer size of the 65-ton engine will require transporting it in 3=20 pieces across the Peace Bridge on a 32-wheel flatbed truck. It will=20 be necessary to partially or totally close the bridge during the=20 move, which is expected in the next 2 weeks. Powers said he hopes the engine eventually can find a home in a=20 museum, such as the Great Lakes museum proposed by Bass Pro.=20 John Conlin, editor of Western New York Heritage, also would like to=20 see that happen. "I would like to see it as an educational=20 attraction," he said. "They say there are only a few of these triple=20 expansion steam engines anywhere. It would be a terrific exhibit." -------- Copyright 1999 - 2006 - The Buffalo News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 11:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40635 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 19:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 19:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 19:38:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 19:36:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:36:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Partnership produces free tickets, smiles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ogOZ_8h14fxyNawDnRORdmyu-uzeiugKGIiLR5vZwtd-Pn8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 30, 2006 The Daily Press http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-90342sy0mar30,0,4463137.story? coll=3Ddp-commnews Williamsburg, VA -- The Kiwanis Club of Williamsburg has joined with=20 Busch Gardens to provide underprivileged children with free visits to=20 the amusement park as part of a program called K.I.D.S. or Kiwanis Is=20 Donating Smiles. For every $20 donated to the Kiwanis Club, Busch=20 Gardens will provide a free ticket. In the program's 8 years, more than=20 2500 underprivileged children have visited the park. Donations can be sent to the Kiwanis Club of Williamsburg Foundation,=20 P.O. Box 5533, Williamsburg, VA 23188. -------- =A92006 Daily Press From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 12:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92060 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FP3Kn-0003xJ-Pa for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: <442C3939.2010509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a122c03f3aaf2a207f68344b69ad15a273ffedd2139c3bd2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Bo5xo5VjkyEQcgiKbUl5CNv3UOam0RxJZS0fP1pXn_W3yWA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > George, > FYI - RCDB does not have any pictures of the Bocaraca. Just the > Whirlwind. (Hint-hint) > Hehe, yeah, I know. Just haven't had the chance to send the email to Dwayne yet. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 30 12:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99156 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2UKEh2w017837 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:14:43 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:14:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0603270807s5af9e1d5x571145b445901f08@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0603270807s5af9e1d5x571145b445901f08@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13F3AAF3-8B5D-4B12-A4D7-4EA7C62080D0@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:14:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 20:14:43.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[9549D990:01C65436] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Oakwood Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=itWm1P60QCJkb-ZXZvMGN2q8QmKd37dYwb-5IKpkRFOBX5LD X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > If you haven't seen the latest pictures of the new Oakwood coaster > they can > be found at: Late reply, I know .. Has anyone here ridden one of those coasters? I love how smooth and fluid the track looks .. like a ribbon or something. The whole structure looks so minimalist, almost like there's not enough there to support the ride! Thanks for posting the pictures.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** He was a little dog, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** named Snuggles. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jade52903@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55106 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.180) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 21:23:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 21:23:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2006 21:23:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:23:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.64.27.204 From: "jade52903" Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=4Vrc6RQ81oVIi7bCiDcoWBrUUyE86v0PfAa5KbM1isJyRl9i X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been to=20 Kennywood Park in PA?=20 I have been going there since I was little, and I didn't know if=20 anyone else out there knew about it, and what their thoughts were. ~Jade~ From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Mar 30 13:32:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80969 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:32:22 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.301.1edb647 (4402) for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:32:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <301.1edb647.315da85c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:32:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kennywood is an awesome park. Very nostalgic with some great coasters. I especially love the Jack Rabbit. That's a great airtime woody and very very classic! Thunderbolt is a very good terrain coaster. They also have the best indoor spinning mouse I've ever been on! Very nice themed dark rides. If you haven't been there, you need to go! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jade52903@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11902 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51503.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 90255 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 21:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330213745.90253.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.64.27.204] by web51503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:37:45 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:37:45 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <301.1edb647.315da85c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alyssa Molnar Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=XDwGTA5SjDAjN_u8eWBCIeWVI2Fw5mMegSN67YhnHv6rrMK1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoy going to Kennywood... I especially like the Phantom's Revenge, and the Arrow 360, which is a new ride that they just put in not too long ago! The Jack Rabbit, is one of the original coasters that is still there along with the Thunderbolt, and the Racers. The Exterminater is also a newer coaster that they put in not too long ago. I didn't think that it was all that great, but it was something different since it was in the dark, and a roller coaster. Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: Kennywood is an awesome park. Very nostalgic with some great coasters. I especially love the Jack Rabbit. That's a great airtime woody and very very classic! Thunderbolt is a very good terrain coaster. They also have the best indoor spinning mouse I've ever been on! Very nice themed dark rides. If you haven't been there, you need to go! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Jade --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Mar 30 13:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25254 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:41:06 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2ULf5XV002061 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66.209.15.235 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52807.66.209.15.235.1143754865.squirrel@66.209.15.235> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=8CcHVI8whyHgzrZWj4K6L7WiqYdP41K4MN91Fw2iJzbavVM X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been to > Kennywood Park in PA? > > I have been going there since I was little, and I didn't know if > anyone else out there knew about it, and what their thoughts were. You'll find that generally speaking most people in this hobby are at least aware of Kennywood (often abbreviated KW), and many HAVE been therr (sometimes traveling significant distances to do so), and of them many think very highly of it. (Tastes vary and not EVERYONE develops the same opinions, of course) As for myself, it's the park most directly responsible for BEING a coaster enthusiast, and I'll readily admit I flat-out love the place... --Greg From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 30 13:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28991 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 21:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:45:05 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2ULj350023799 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:45:03 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:45:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:45:04 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 21:45:03.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[33A8A470:01C65443] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=RmFFlF7SZYCXMljS7hm42yCsbvk7nQ6O86DCzkfxdUqPzsWd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Jade, > Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been to > Kennywood Park in PA? Are you kidding? Kennywood is an AWESOME park! Easily one of my favorites, and I'm not alone. I first went to Kennywood in June 2004 and really, Really, REALLY liked it. I couldn't stay away last year, and I'm sure I'll be back this summer too. The park is so well maintained, the rides are terrific, and the atmosphere is amazing. Oh, and Laffin Sal is the funniest thing I've ever seen (if a little scary!). I am envious that you live close enough to be able to go frequently .. it's a bit of a schlep from Chicago, but worth the drive. Cameron. ps: Oh, welcome to the group! -- Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Mar 30 14:58:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82728 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 22:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 22:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.190) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 22:58:26 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a27so486798nfc for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.206.3 with SMTP id d3mr96528nfg; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.1 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:58:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:58:25 -0600 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kJ_X2RVXTz2agTdJPuU89WwupqK6GgCldPLzUhBDXljAsmMlhP8aBrI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Disney's Animal Kingdom Sunday, March 12, 2006 We took a break from Universal Orlando for a day to visit Animal Kingdom. My parents decided to come with this day because they thought it would be ore of their style, but I don't think they ended up finding it that great. We had "after 2pm" tickets, so we were only at the park for about four hours. We got to do all of the major attractions I really wanted to, but I definitely could have used more time here. Still, I think that by the time we left, my parents had had enough. With a few exceptions, Animal Kingdom is a beautiful and well-themed park. It's hard to believe the park is less than a decade old when you're walking under these huge, lush trees. Comparisons to Busch Gardens Tampa are inevitable here, but I guess if you haven't been to either park, my opinion isn't going to mean much. There is far more foliage at AK than at BGT. I was always impressed with the wooded/jungle feel of BGT, but AK takes that to a whole new level. BGT is a much more carefully landscaped park - lots of ponds and gardens - while Animal Kingdom is far lusher with far fewer gardens. Both parks are (on the whole) very beautiful, but theming at AK is better. Interestingly enough, Animal Kingdom comes up short on animals. There are only a few areas where one can see animals - the Maharaja Jungle Trek in Asia, the Pangani Forest Trail in Africa, and a few areas near the front of the park. Whereas BGT has animals scattered throughout the park, the animal areas at Animal Kingdom are for the most part secluded from the rest of the park, and these are limited to just a few areas. We started the day off by checking out the wait time for major attractions. Everest was boasting a 75-minute wait time and not using Fast Pass that day. Deciding the Everest wait would probably not get much worse, we headed to DinoLand USA. Earlier I raved about how beautiful Animal Kingdom, and this is the obvious glaring exception. I'm not sure what this looked like before they built the Chester & Hester's Dino Rama, but it must have looked better. The older areas of DinoLand USA look fine, but Dino Rama is truly hideous. I don't believe there is a single tree in this area, the pavement is uneven blacktop, and there are enough obnoxious colors here to give anyone a seizure. I hope that whoever thought theming an area to a parking lot (yes, that really is the theme) is no longer working for Disney. Simply enclosing Primeval Whirl and landscaping the area would have made it a hundred times more acceptable. As is, the area is loud, crowded, hot, and ugly. Since there was no way in hell I was going to wait 30 minutes for a Reverchon mouse, we grabbed Fast Passes and headed to Dinosaur. The wait time posted here was 15 minutes, but the actual wait was more like 10 minutes. A portion of this queue is (like some of the others at Animal Kingdom) more like a museum, with exhibits, artifacts, and plenty to look at and do. This was an excellent idea on Disney's part, and made the wait fly by. I did not know what to expect from this ride. To be honest, I'd heard some poor reviews and some warnings that the ride was too intense for kids. Those reviews are probably right about the intensity; although I didn't find the ride particularly scary, my mom screamed at the last encounter with the Carnotaurus. I expected the ride to be really bumpy and jerky. It could have been because we seated near the front, but I found Dinosaur surprisingly smooth. What I was not prepared for was how that jeep moves, or for the rather great elevation changes throughout the ride. There are several moments where the jeep accelerates rather suddenly, and a lot of that is up and down hills.=20 This is certainly not a slow-paced dark ride (in fact, I think it's even faster paced than IOA's Spiderman). Basically, I loved it. I would have liked to get a second ride, but we were pretty pressed for time. The ride itself is better than Jurassic Park, but a bit more cartoonish. The ending of the Jurassic Park River Adventure is far superior (Disney really just kind of ripped this one off), so I'd have to give a slight edge to JP. Still, Dinosaur is a great ride and one of the best at Disney World. After Dinosaur, we grabbed some ice cream in the shape of Mickey Mouse's head (which is actually sort of morbid if you think about it) before heading to Primeval Whirl. Primeval Whirl was basically the last thing in the world my parents wanted to ride, so they sat out while my brother and I used our Fast Passes. This ride is certainly tacky, but also amazingly efficient. There were twice as many cars on each side as I've ever seen on any other Reverchon mouse. The ride, unfortunately, was one of the most boring I've ever had. I think we might have spun completely around twice throughout the entire course.=20 At least I got the credit. My mom was hell bent on seeing It's a Bug's Life, so we walked back to Discovery Island. They were handing out Fast Passes here, yet the standby line was a walk-on. Sometimes the Fast Pass system works, and sometimes it just baffles me. Either way, we only ended up waiting a few minutes in the holding room before being let into the theatre. I loved this show. I think this is probably the best "4-D" show I've experienced. I loved how it actually incorporated live-action animatronics into the show, and the show had a lot of people screaming. The spider part was the best, IMO, but the stingers made me jump too. My only complaint is that the show felt a bit short.=20 After this, I realized that although Shrek 4-D has an entertaining film, the effects just plain such. "4-D" should consist of more than just spraying people with water 73 times. At this point it appeared as though some parade was about to start, as there were ropes and people lining the streets everywhere. We decided to see if the line for Kilimanjaro Safaris had died down due to the parade, but it hadn't (it hovered around 60 minutes all day). The crowds for the parade made navigating the park extremely difficult; the pathways here are narrow anyway, and when they're crowded with people on all sides it becomes pretty crazy. We finally resolved to just walk down the middle of the street and made it clear of the parade route. Mom clearly had her dictator hat on that day, because she then demanded we head to Everest or "we would never get to ride."=20 It was actually only 4pm and I wasn't looking forward to spending the rest of my day at Animal Kingdom waiting in line, but what Mom says goes. Everest is really kind of set off by itself, and it's quite a long walk from anywhere in the park. They built a nice little Himalayan village on the path from Asia to the Everest area, and there was lots of yeti theming. Anyone who knows me knows why I would be thrilled with that, and even though I'd seen POV's of the ride, I was pretty excited. Upon arriving at the entrance, we saw that the wait time had dropped to 45 minutes (so clearly mothers really are always right). I also noticed that a Fast Pass return time was posted, even though according to the front board and the park map there was no Fast Pass for Everest. Feeling rather lied to, we got in line. The Everest queue is phenomenal, and aside from the mountain itself, possibly the best aspect of the attraction. The first half winds through some wonderfully-themed buildings and some nice landscaping.=20 The second half of the queue is essentially a museum devoted to the Yeti. There is so much to see here, and so much of it is real and factual, that waiting in line for Everest is nearly as entertaining as the ride itself. My only complaint is that the line moves so quickly that you barely have time to see everything. We didn't have to worry about that much, though, as the sign out front was wrong and ten minutes (!) after getting in line, we were boarding the ride. A lot of people have raved about how great this ride is, and I will happily admit that the theming of the mountain, the queue, and the area around the ride is fantastic. Unfortunately, I found the ride itself to be rather boring. The majority of it is spent cruising slowly around the base of the mountain or climbing the lifts. There are only three show areas, and two of them are very simple. The ride spends a lot more time traveling backward than the Mummy, which was nice, but it's all in the dark and there's not a whole lot to it. The actual coaster portion essentially consists of a few helices, and one decent drop. Mom got dizzy going backward, but everyone else thought the ride was pretty boring. The yeti might have been cool, but it's put in such a stupid spot that you're only allowed a split-second look at it. I'm sure people will love Everest, and I'm sure it will do wonders for the park. I'm just disappointed that they went all out on the theming of the queue and building, and then seem to have forgotten about the ride itself. After spending several minutes trying to explain to my parents that no, I do not want to buy a yeti shirt, we decided to check out the wait time for Kali River Rapids. The posted wait was 40 minutes, but after the posted time on Everest was so far off, my mom was convinced the wait couldn't be that long. We ended up waiting about 35 minutes for the ride, and here it is very evident that Fast Pass slows the process down. It seems as though everyone in the park grabs Fast Passes for Everest and Kali River Rapids, so then run out very quickly, forcing the stand-by line to just crawl. I've certainly waited in slower-moving lines for a rapids ride (*ahem* Kentucky Kingdom) but have been in faster-moving rapids ride lines too (IOA). The queue for Kali River Rapids is wonderfully themed (like all the Animal Kingdom queues) but also very long. It winds through several Indian and Tibetan themed stores, temples, and buildings. The theming here is truly top-notch, and is actually probably better than anything at Islands of Adventure. Once again, however, I think a lot was put into the queue and theming and only a little into the ride itself. There's simply not much to this ride. It's extremely short, and there are only a few places where you could get wet. It's a beautiful ride, winding through lush jungle with lots of fog, but there's not a lot of excitement. The rafts float through a burned forest, complete with the sounds of chainsaws, but no effort is given to explaining the storyline behind the ride. The drop is excellent, and since this was the first rapids ride I've been on with such a drop, a bit scary.=20 Anyone who ends up going down the drop backward is going to be totally soaked, since the splashdown causes a large wave of water to rush over the back of those seats. Thankfully that wasn't me, but I really enjoyed this part. After the drop, though, there's not much to the ride except some brief wandering through the woods and a run under a bridge with squirt guns. We managed to make it off the ride pretty dry, which is certainly not something that would ever happen at IOA. At this point it was just about an hour before closing, so we decided to see some of the animals. We walked through the Maharaja Jungle Trek for awhile, which was very well done. I hated the snakes, of course, but the free-flying bats were awesome. The theming and landscaping here was really beautiful, but there really weren't THAT many animals. It was basically bats, tigers, and some deer...and to be honest, deer are just about the most boring animals on the planet. The Kilimanjaro Safari line closes fifteen minutes before the park, and since that was the only major attraction we hadn't done, we decided to head over there. We got in line at about 5:40, and by that point it was a walk-on. To be honest, I can't imagine how this ride ever has a line. Holy capacity! Each truck holds 32 people, and they must dispatch one every 20 seconds. That's 5,700pph! On top of that, the ride must be at least twenty minutes long - maybe more - meaning they must own at least 60 trucks! That's seriously amazing. The savannah you ride through is not only gigantic, but beautifully done. This is not just a grass field, but carefully sculpted and landscaped. And we saw tons of animals, from hippos (my personal favorite) to cheetahs. I was also very impressed with the length of the ride; we were out there at least twenty minutes. The only problem with Kilimanjaro Safaris is that there seem to be a few too many vehicles on the course, as we were forced to wait several times until the road ahead cleared. The "storyline" is also pretty lame and unimportant (not that the anti-poaching message is unimportant, but it's not very well done). And I'm still unclear about what we did, exactly, to help stop the poachers. Comparisons to Rhino Rally are expected, I'm sure. I mean no offense to George, of course, but Rhino Rally doesn't even come close. Rhino Rally is extremely short in comparison, not nearly as well-landscaped, and lacks the amount of animals that Kilimanjaro Safaris has.=20 Additionally, the capacity on Rhino Rally just plain sucks, and that's being nice about it. I don't know if that's due to the ride system or staffing, but I haven't even bothered riding Rhino Rally the past few times I've been to BGT because the line is so ridiculously long and slow-moving. The only things better on Rhino Rally are the gator pond and the water ride portion (though that's not terribly exciting or interesting either). I love Busch Gardens, but Disney is the clear winner here. By the time our safari was over, the park was closed. As we headed for the gate, I snapped some awesome pictures from the bridge to Africa of the Tree of Life with Everest in the background and the moon in the sky. We took a few minutes to explore some of the animal exhibits around the tree and the Oasis (entrance plaza) but most of the animals were gone by that time. Overall, I think Animal Kingdom is an amazing park in need of more to do. We were only there half the day on a fairly busy day, and still accomplished most everything I really wanted to (the only things we didn't do but would have liked to were the Lion King show, the train ride, and the Pangani Forest Trail). Thankfully, they definitely have the expansion space. Animal Kingdom: 4/5 Dinosaur: 4/5 It's a Bug's Life: 4/5 Expedition Everest: 3/5 Kali River Rapids: 3/5 Kilimanjaro Safaris: 5/5 -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 15:02:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66037 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 23:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 23:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 23:02:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 23:02:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330230237.52067.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:37 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=b4wdbFDV3MYua24hpO5W_fw8s4uCmphZi0DmJMCohTuWUqCRFwTfHPJPig X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live in Central PA but my mom grew up in Pittsburgh so that was her homet= own park. I go to Kennywood 2-3 times each summer. It is my favorite park i= n the whole world. Hey, IM me on Yahoo sometime so we can chat about Kennyw= ood. If you don't use Yahoo IM, e-mail me for my AIM name. jade52903 wrote: Since I am new to the group, I was = wondering if anyone has been to=20 Kennywood Park in PA?=20 I have been going there since I was little, and I didn't know if=20 anyone else out there knew about it, and what their thoughts were. ~Jade~ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 15:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12543 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 23:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 23:12:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1981 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2006 23:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060330231254.1979.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:12:54 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:12:54 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=JOkUtcqE-z_7HNKD8K-ioL6gmKQp8aG-gHPZquK3SIRq7ykyUhMqotPspg X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's really cool that you got to go to Costa Rica. (here comes the green-eyed monster). I go to Knoebels all the time since it isn't too far away but I never noticed the Whirlwind, plus I didn't like coasters until I had about less than 2 hours before I left the park, and the next time I went I would have gone on it but it wasn't there anymore. George Burnash wrote: Parque de Diversiones, outside of San Jose, Costa Rica The people: Me, my wife Margaret, and kids, Amber and Joseph Crowds: pretty much non existent Weather: nice and mild. A bit cloudy and not to hot or cold Pictures at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/1314650/1/61992523 We had the opportunity to visit Costa Rica for a week, and weren't going to pass it up. We had been invited down to work at a conference for workers down there, and work with their children to give them a break. We happily accepted and, since it happened to overlap with our Spring Break where we teach, took the opportunity to take the kids and spend a few extra days sightseeing. Among our stops were the Poas volcano, a cruise down one of the rivers spotting wildlife, and exploring the city of San Jose. Along the way we found time to visit Parque de Diversiones outside of the city. Parque de Diversiones is the only amusement park in Costa Rica. It was built after a doctor in the children's wing at the local Hospital de Mexico decided that there needed to be a place for the kids. And he was astute enough to put in a business model that also manages to make some pretty good sized donations to the children's hospital in the process. Coming in I really didn't expect much, being that it's a park in Latin America, where the standards are often much lower than US ones in many areas (including upkeep, cleanliness, etc.) I was pleasantly surprised at the park. While it's not a huge park, it's very well upkept. Paint generally looked new, lots of green grass, trees and landscaping. And things looked well taken care of. While a couple of the rides were obviously older rides, they were in decent enough condition, even if they weren't pristine. They were running a 2 for 1 special on admissions, so we paid our 8,000 colones (about $16 US) for the 4 of us to get all we can ride passes. They stamped our arms with a bright red ink stamp to show that we had paid and we were off. First stop was straight ahead to their "new" ride- the Bocaraca (a type of poisonous viper). Painted bright yellow and blue, it looked great. You almost wouldn't recognize it from its days at Knobel's. We had to wait for at least 8 riders to be able to ride, which took a few minutes. But once we gathered a couple of others, we walked through the hugely long queue up into the station and loaded up for the front row. Up the lift hill (which ominously didn't turn on until we were just about starting up it), then a quick, turning drop into the first corkscrew. After the first screw and a bump and bang, we turned around again and into the second corkscrew. One more turn and we were in the brake run. Just about how I remembered it at Knobel's. Not horrible, but not great either. But since it's about the only thing in Costa Rica with inversions (outside of a flat ride or two), I'm sure they're happy for what they have. From there we began to wander around a bit. We walked past an umbrella ride they were working on with pieces on the ground. We asked what they were doing, and they said they were taking it out. But it looked like they were adding parts to it, so I'm not sure if we misunderstood or what the story was. They had a good number of other rides around the park also that didn't open throughout the day that would have been fun, including a Rock-O-Plane, the Skymaster (looked like a Fabbri Kamikazee), and old chair swing ride, and a few others. They had a nice looking drop ride that held you at the top for a looonnnggg time, but every time we tried to get on it, it was closed for something or other. After 2 tries, we gave up figuring it might not be something we'd want to try out after that. :) We took a ride on the octopus, which has always been one of my favorite rides. This was probably the longest ride cycle I've ever heard of on one of them. I'm sure it was 10 minutes, if not longer, and seemed to go on and on. It was great fun, and I had a blast, but Margaret was starting to feel queasy by the time they finally stopped it. We took a break in their long food court. This was essentially several restaurants built like you would normally find outside, but then had a large roof built over the entire area, providing a large pavilion like area to sit down and eat. A couple of slices of Papa John's pizza later, we were ready and off again to the rest of the park. Our next stop after walking through the nicely shaded and grassy picnic area was near the Ciclon, a Pinfari z47. Since we didn't see any operators on duty at the coaster, we went across the walkway to the antique car ride. With a fairly long course that doubles back on itself a couple of times, this is a fairly long ride. And it uses the older gasoline powered, self steering cars with just a guide rail to make sure that you don't drive somewhere you're not supposed to. It was great to see these, as this kind of a car where you really drive it seems to be disappearing. By the time we got off the coaster was open. They sent out one car at a time, so all four of us took up a complete car. Here the ride looked like it had been around a while. It also had OTSR's, which I didn't understand as it didn't need them, and instead resulted in a couple of head shots on a coaster that otherwise would have been painless with just lap belts like most of this style. A ride that could have been a lot of fun was essentially almost ruined by the restraints. To bad. We wandered around a looked at some more of the scenery and abundant kiddie rides (a small powered train, power coaster, small carousel with only 2 rows of aluminum-looking horses, and some others), and walked past a historic train they had parked on the side of the walkway. They also had a beautifully built "antique village", styled like colonial Costa Rica would have been with many pretty buildings and giving a nice history lesson for those school groups that come to the park. Walking past all of that is their spinning rapids ride. I've heard that the one at Cypress Gardens is the world's tallest, but if it is, then it's only got this one by a couple of feet. This also had a much longer trough, with a much more varied course, followed by an extensive ride in a lazy-river paced section of water that eventually leads back to the lift. The first thing that really catches your eye though is the water- a deep algae colored green. Yum, yum., but not altogether unexpected I guess. We decided to ride anyways, and started the long walk up the tower since they loaded at the top instead of the bottom. After riding, I have to say that even with the green water this is my favorite one of these I've been on so far. With the variety in the layout, and not knowing which way you were going to go, it was a lot of fun. And the nice slow ride at the end, floating along the river course back to the unload station was nice and relaxing. If we'd had more time we would have taken several more rides on it. It's truly a great ride. We had also spotted another water ride- one of the flumes that you see in some parks with the 2 person rafts, but we couldn't find that entrance, and felt we were wet enough. So we completed our loop and headed back into other parts of the park. We stopped by the drop tower ride, but were told that it was closed for a bit and would reopen later (though in retrospect I think they may have been saying they would have to wait for other riders) In any case, with it essentially closed on us, and with Margaret scared of riding a drop ride in Latin America for safety reasons, we headed back around the lake in the middle of the park and up the hill again. Here we headed over to the bumper cars, which on first glance looked like a fairly standard set of bumper cars that you might see at any park. Joseph and I each took one car, and Margaret and Amber got together in a third. But when the ride started, we quickly realized how different these were- they were probably the fastest bumper cars I've ever seen. Cars were regularly bouncing off the floor from the force of the collisions, and skidding around sideways on the hits. It would have been a blast- except Margaret didn't start well. She hit the gas pedal, and the car rocketed backwards, slamming into the side and snapping her head back. As soon as I saw it I figured she had a case of whiplash since she doesn't have a very strong neck anyways. Sure enough, she had quit driving and they had to stop the ride to let her and the kids off. Which meant my ride was over too. L It was interesting the way the others on the ride reacted though. Many were trying to help her when the ride was going, giving directions and steering clear of them. When it stopped, a couple started to get up to help her, and all seemed sympathetic, as opposed to the animosity that I'm used to seeing from other riders here in the states (and that I'm admittedly guilty of to often myself) But then that seems to be pretty typical of the Ticos (native Costa Ricans)- very friendly, helpful, and courteous. While Margaret recovered Amber and I took a run on their Tilt-A-Whirl, one still run with the old manual controls and with another long ride cycle. We had that spinning faster than I've had one spin in several years, and it was a lot of fun. We came off giggling like a couple of idiots and to big grins from the operator. We closed out our rides with a round on their "train", which is really a tractor with some siding on it to make it look like a train pulling several passenger cars around the park. Nice, relaxing, and with a good view of what they had. With our time starting to run out I took some more pictures, then we headed over to the one small souvenir shop over near the entrance, where I picked up a park t-shirt for $4. The selection was small- essentially just hats and shirts, but I couldn't complain with the prices. A couple of snacks for the kids, and a few more pictures and we were heading out to wait for our taxi. Overall the park was pretty nice. It's not extravagant, but then I didn't expect it to be either. The people were friendly, the food was decent, and the rides weren't bad, though it was apparent that most of them had been recycled from other places. It looked like they put a lot of time and care into the park, with it being very pretty, clean, and enjoyable just to walk around in. It's a park that I wouldn't mind visiting again if the opportunity arises. Pictures of just the park, along with captions, are on my smugmug pages at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/1314650/1/61992523 If you're interested in seeing some of the rest of what we say, you can find all of my other Costa Rica pictures in a slightly different location. They're organized, but not captioned as of yet, but they're at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Travel/173807 Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Mar 30 15:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80510 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2006 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2UNbHH0028312 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:17 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EDA31B4-E0E5-485F-83FD-41EE8614E555@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:18 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 23:37:17.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[E15E1A50:01C65452] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=V3W0TaNmbVO0-QaHaiuJlWfRv7Z-oyRiDtYMDL9_mYrccerw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Nice write-up, thanks! I was at Animal Kingdom in November 1999, and was completely underwhelmed. There was little to do, and the stuff that was there was very average, and (like you said) the animals seem to just be there for the sake of it. It's nice to hear that things are improving there. I know many people compare it to Busch Gardens, and I think it's safe to assume that Disney is going after their customer base, but I think they're doing a pretty poor job of it. I've never been to Busch Gardens Tampa, but I just loved the one in VA .. Most people describe BGT as "a zoo with rides", while Animal Kingdom seems to be more "a park with animals". Personally I love zoos, which is why I think BGT would suit me so well. If only I had the time to get down there .. and a place to stay .. George?! :) Cameron. On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Disney's Animal Kingdom > Sunday, March 12, 2006 > > We took a break from Universal Orlando for a day to visit Animal > Kingdom. My parents decided to come with this day because they > thought it would be ore of their style, but I don't think they ended > up finding it that great. > > We had "after 2pm" tickets, so we were only at the park for about four > hours. We got to do all of the major attractions I really wanted to, > but I definitely could have used more time here. Still, I think that > by the time we left, my parents had had enough. > > With a few exceptions, Animal Kingdom is a beautiful and well-themed > park. It's hard to believe the park is less than a decade old when > you're walking under these huge, lush trees. Comparisons to Busch > Gardens Tampa are inevitable here, but I guess if you haven't been to > either park, my opinion isn't going to mean much. There is far more > foliage at AK than at BGT. I was always impressed with the > wooded/jungle feel of BGT, but AK takes that to a whole new level. > BGT is a much more carefully landscaped park - lots of ponds and > gardens - while Animal Kingdom is far lusher with far fewer > gardens. Both parks are (on the whole) very beautiful, but theming at > AK is better. > > Interestingly enough, Animal Kingdom comes up short on animals. There > are only a few areas where one can see animals - the Maharaja Jungle > Trek in Asia, the Pangani Forest Trail in Africa, and a few areas near > the front of the park. Whereas BGT has animals scattered throughout > the park, the animal areas at Animal Kingdom are for the most part > secluded from the rest of the park, and these are limited to just a > few areas. > > We started the day off by checking out the wait time for major > attractions. Everest was boasting a 75-minute wait time and not using > Fast Pass that day. Deciding the Everest wait would probably not get > much worse, we headed to DinoLand USA. > > Earlier I raved about how beautiful Animal Kingdom, and this is the > obvious glaring exception. I'm not sure what this looked like before > they built the Chester & Hester's Dino Rama, but it must have looked > better. The older areas of DinoLand USA look fine, but Dino Rama is > truly hideous. I don't believe there is a single tree in this area, > the pavement is uneven blacktop, and there are enough obnoxious colors > here to give anyone a seizure. I hope that whoever thought theming an > area to a parking lot (yes, that really is the theme) is no longer > working for Disney. Simply enclosing Primeval Whirl and landscaping > the area would have made it a hundred times more acceptable. As is, > the area is loud, crowded, hot, and ugly. > > Since there was no way in hell I was going to wait 30 minutes for a > Reverchon mouse, we grabbed Fast Passes and headed to Dinosaur. The > wait time posted here was 15 minutes, but the actual wait was more > like 10 minutes. A portion of this queue is (like some of the others > at Animal Kingdom) more like a museum, with exhibits, artifacts, and > plenty to look at and do. This was an excellent idea on Disney's > part, and made the wait fly by. > > I did not know what to expect from this ride. To be honest, I'd heard > some poor reviews and some warnings that the ride was too intense for > kids. Those reviews are probably right about the intensity; although > I didn't find the ride particularly scary, my mom screamed at the last > encounter with the Carnotaurus. I expected the ride to be really > bumpy and jerky. It could have been because we seated near the front, > but I found Dinosaur surprisingly smooth. What I was not prepared for > was how that jeep moves, or for the rather great elevation changes > throughout the ride. There are several moments where the jeep > accelerates rather suddenly, and a lot of that is up and down hills. > This is certainly not a slow-paced dark ride (in fact, I think it's > even faster paced than IOA's Spiderman). > > Basically, I loved it. I would have liked to get a second ride, but > we were pretty pressed for time. The ride itself is better than > Jurassic Park, but a bit more cartoonish. The ending of the Jurassic > Park River Adventure is far superior (Disney really just kind of > ripped this one off), so I'd have to give a slight edge to JP. Still, > Dinosaur is a great ride and one of the best at Disney World. > > > After Dinosaur, we grabbed some ice cream in the shape of Mickey > Mouse's head (which is actually sort of morbid if you think about it) > before heading to Primeval Whirl. Primeval Whirl was basically the > last thing in the world my parents wanted to ride, so they sat out > while my brother and I used our Fast Passes. This ride is certainly > tacky, but also amazingly efficient. There were twice as many cars on > each side as I've ever seen on any other Reverchon mouse. The ride, > unfortunately, was one of the most boring I've ever had. I think we > might have spun completely around twice throughout the entire course. > At least I got the credit. > > My mom was hell bent on seeing It's a Bug's Life, so we walked back to > Discovery Island. They were handing out Fast Passes here, yet the > standby line was a walk-on. Sometimes the Fast Pass system works, and > sometimes it just baffles me. Either way, we only ended up waiting a > few minutes in the holding room before being let into the theatre. > > I loved this show. I think this is probably the best "4-D" show I've > experienced. I loved how it actually incorporated live-action > animatronics into the show, and the show had a lot of people > screaming. The spider part was the best, IMO, but the stingers made > me jump too. My only complaint is that the show felt a bit short. > After this, I realized that although Shrek 4-D has an entertaining > film, the effects just plain such. "4-D" should consist of more than > just spraying people with water 73 times. > > At this point it appeared as though some parade was about to start, as > there were ropes and people lining the streets everywhere. We decided > to see if the line for Kilimanjaro Safaris had died down due to the > parade, but it hadn't (it hovered around 60 minutes all day). The > crowds for the parade made navigating the park extremely difficult; > the pathways here are narrow anyway, and when they're crowded with > people on all sides it becomes pretty crazy. We finally resolved to > just walk down the middle of the street and made it clear of the > parade route. Mom clearly had her dictator hat on that day, because > she then demanded we head to Everest or "we would never get to ride." > It was actually only 4pm and I wasn't looking forward to spending the > rest of my day at Animal Kingdom waiting in line, but what Mom says > goes. > > Everest is really kind of set off by itself, and it's quite a long > walk from anywhere in the park. They built a nice little Himalayan > village on the path from Asia to the Everest area, and there was lots > of yeti theming. Anyone who knows me knows why I would be thrilled > with that, and even though I'd seen POV's of the ride, I was pretty > excited. > > Upon arriving at the entrance, we saw that the wait time had dropped > to 45 minutes (so clearly mothers really are always right). I also > noticed that a Fast Pass return time was posted, even though according > to the front board and the park map there was no Fast Pass for > Everest. Feeling rather lied to, we got in line. > > The Everest queue is phenomenal, and aside from the mountain itself, > possibly the best aspect of the attraction. The first half winds > through some wonderfully-themed buildings and some nice landscaping. > The second half of the queue is essentially a museum devoted to the > Yeti. There is so much to see here, and so much of it is real and > factual, that waiting in line for Everest is nearly as entertaining as > the ride itself. My only complaint is that the line moves so quickly > that you barely have time to see everything. We didn't have to worry > about that much, though, as the sign out front was wrong and ten > minutes (!) after getting in line, we were boarding the ride. > > A lot of people have raved about how great this ride is, and I will > happily admit that the theming of the mountain, the queue, and the > area around the ride is fantastic. Unfortunately, I found the ride > itself to be rather boring. The majority of it is spent cruising > slowly around the base of the mountain or climbing the lifts. There > are only three show areas, and two of them are very simple. The ride > spends a lot more time traveling backward than the Mummy, which was > nice, but it's all in the dark and there's not a whole lot to it. The > actual coaster portion essentially consists of a few helices, and one > decent drop. Mom got dizzy going backward, but everyone else thought > the ride was pretty boring. The yeti might have been cool, but it's > put in such a stupid spot that you're only allowed a split-second look > at it. I'm sure people will love Everest, and I'm sure it will do > wonders for the park. I'm just disappointed that they went all out on > the theming of the queue and building, and then seem to have forgotten > about the ride itself. > > After spending several minutes trying to explain to my parents that > no, I do not want to buy a yeti shirt, we decided to check out the > wait time for Kali River Rapids. The posted wait was 40 minutes, but > after the posted time on Everest was so far off, my mom was convinced > the wait couldn't be that long. We ended up waiting about 35 minutes > for the ride, and here it is very evident that Fast Pass slows the > process down. It seems as though everyone in the park grabs Fast > Passes for Everest and Kali River Rapids, so then run out very > quickly, forcing the stand-by line to just crawl. I've certainly > waited in slower-moving lines for a rapids ride (*ahem* Kentucky > Kingdom) but have been in faster-moving rapids ride lines too (IOA). > > The queue for Kali River Rapids is wonderfully themed (like all the > Animal Kingdom queues) but also very long. It winds through several > Indian and Tibetan themed stores, temples, and buildings. The theming > here is truly top-notch, and is actually probably better than anything > at Islands of Adventure. Once again, however, I think a lot was put > into the queue and theming and only a little into the ride itself. > > There's simply not much to this ride. It's extremely short, and there > are only a few places where you could get wet. It's a beautiful ride, > winding through lush jungle with lots of fog, but there's not a lot of > excitement. The rafts float through a burned forest, complete with > the sounds of chainsaws, but no effort is given to explaining the > storyline behind the ride. The drop is excellent, and since this was > the first rapids ride I've been on with such a drop, a bit scary. > Anyone who ends up going down the drop backward is going to be totally > soaked, since the splashdown causes a large wave of water to rush over > the back of those seats. Thankfully that wasn't me, but I really > enjoyed this part. After the drop, though, there's not much to the > ride except some brief wandering through the woods and a run under a > bridge with squirt guns. > > We managed to make it off the ride pretty dry, which is certainly not > something that would ever happen at IOA. At this point it was just > about an hour before closing, so we decided to see some of the > animals. We walked through the Maharaja Jungle Trek for awhile, which > was very well done. I hated the snakes, of course, but the > free-flying bats were awesome. The theming and landscaping here was > really beautiful, but there really weren't THAT many animals. It was > basically bats, tigers, and some deer...and to be honest, deer are > just about the most boring animals on the planet. > > The Kilimanjaro Safari line closes fifteen minutes before the park, > and since that was the only major attraction we hadn't done, we > decided to head over there. We got in line at about 5:40, and by that > point it was a walk-on. To be honest, I can't imagine how this ride > ever has a line. Holy capacity! Each truck holds 32 people, and they > must dispatch one every 20 seconds. That's 5,700pph! On top of that, > the ride must be at least twenty minutes long - maybe more - meaning > they must own at least 60 trucks! That's seriously amazing. > > The savannah you ride through is not only gigantic, but beautifully > done. This is not just a grass field, but carefully sculpted and > landscaped. And we saw tons of animals, from hippos (my personal > favorite) to cheetahs. I was also very impressed with the length of > the ride; we were out there at least twenty minutes. > > The only problem with Kilimanjaro Safaris is that there seem to be a > few too many vehicles on the course, as we were forced to wait several > times until the road ahead cleared. The "storyline" is also pretty > lame and unimportant (not that the anti-poaching message is > unimportant, but it's not very well done). And I'm still unclear > about what we did, exactly, to help stop the poachers. > > Comparisons to Rhino Rally are expected, I'm sure. I mean no offense > to George, of course, but Rhino Rally doesn't even come close. Rhino > Rally is extremely short in comparison, not nearly as well-landscaped, > and lacks the amount of animals that Kilimanjaro Safaris has. > Additionally, the capacity on Rhino Rally just plain sucks, and that's > being nice about it. I don't know if that's due to the ride system or > staffing, but I haven't even bothered riding Rhino Rally the past few > times I've been to BGT because the line is so ridiculously long and > slow-moving. The only things better on Rhino Rally are the gator pond > and the water ride portion (though that's not terribly exciting or > interesting either). I love Busch Gardens, but Disney is the clear > winner here. > By the time our safari was over, the park was closed. As we headed > for the gate, I snapped some awesome pictures from the bridge to > Africa of the Tree of Life with Everest in the background and the moon > in the sky. We took a few minutes to explore some of the animal > exhibits around the tree and the Oasis (entrance plaza) but most of > the animals were gone by that time. > > Overall, I think Animal Kingdom is an amazing park in need of more to > do. We were only there half the day on a fairly busy day, and still > accomplished most everything I really wanted to (the only things we > didn't do but would have liked to were the Lion King show, the train > ride, and the Pangani Forest Trail). Thankfully, they definitely have > the expansion space. > > Animal Kingdom: 4/5 > Dinosaur: 4/5 > It's a Bug's Life: 4/5 > Expedition Everest: 3/5 > Kali River Rapids: 3/5 > Kilimanjaro Safaris: 5/5 > > -- > -Nate > > Holy $#!*, I have a blog! > http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13647 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 02:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 02:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.61) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 02:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 42604 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 02:18:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331021845.42602.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.52] by web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:18:45 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:18:45 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1143733794.1890.7203.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=CO8dBqJSEX0DCGnWGCpiV2APKggsYWUy3u1dwPrqxcOXwZgJ_j4f X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does anybody here live around Seattle / Tacoma? < Will you be heading to Fort Lewis? My son is there right now. But unfortunately by the time you arrive he'll have been sent to Korea.... Jay --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:21:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7376 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 02:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 02:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 02:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 92821 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 02:21:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331022114.92819.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.52] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:21:14 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:21:14 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Parque de Diversiones, Costa Rica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UtnZgyeopTPFBbnTEJE7FnivmVeahmN72OWPzO1bjVgM4jvZ01lM X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Parque de Diversiones, outside of San Jose, Costa Rica < Nice TR, George. And I really liked your photos. What a great opportunity! Jay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 05:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 248 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 13:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 13:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 13:00:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:00:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:00:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:00:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060331021845.42602.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=H9AtVI4_UkbFTnclHpB_ozYFs4158bXtLf_hr_l-K-JDkcbUMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > Does anybody here live around Seattle / Tacoma? < >=20 > Will you be heading to Fort Lewis? My son is there right now. But=20 unfortunately by the time you arrive he'll have been sent to Korea.... >=20 > Jay Hey, Jay! I'm Navy, so no Forts for me! Although not 100% accurate, Forts are=20 usually Army, Camps are usually Marines, Air Force calls them Air Force=20 Base (original, huh?) and Stations are where the Navy hangs out. I'm=20 not sure where Fort Lewis is, but if I move to WA, (It's not confirmed=20 yet.) then it will be either Bangor or Bremerton.=20 My new home park should be 6F Wild Waves/Enchanted Village either way.=20 Sheesh, that's so much less exotic than Hakkejima Sea Paradise. ;) Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 05:17:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93964 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 13:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 13:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 13:17:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:17:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:17:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:17:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=GIPDMiXNWx2eXiRRY-he62FJhf03L59B4JXx6vBKXe1wIOA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Good TR Nate. Not a lot to add to it or comment on really, since I agree with most of it... :) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > Upon arriving at the entrance, we saw that the wait time had dropped > to 45 minutes (so clearly mothers really are always right). I also > noticed that a Fast Pass return time was posted, even though according > to the front board and the park map there was no Fast Pass for > Everest. Feeling rather lied to, we got in line. That's just odd. I can only make a wild, random guess that maybe they didn't post it because it's not "officially" open yet (just a few more days). But as often as they've been running it, and hearing several others use fastpass, I don't know why they wouldn't have posted that. > Mom got dizzy going backward, but everyone else thought > the ride was pretty boring. The yeti might have been cool, but it's > put in such a stupid spot that you're only allowed a split-second look > at it. I'm sure people will love Everest, and I'm sure it will do > wonders for the park. I'm just disappointed that they went all out on > the theming of the queue and building, and then seem to have forgotten > about the ride itself. I don't know, maybe it's because I had a much different expectation for the ride that I found it very enjoyable. I wasn't expecting a non-stop, fast paced thrill ride. Being billed as an "expedition", I expected several slower moving spots, such as the first helix and climb much like an expedition in a train would be. So in that regard it was pretty much what I was expecting. But I can also see how you'd be disappointed. A number of people have complained about how long you see the final yeti, so you're not alone there. But I'm not sure how making that longer would have been more effective. Why would you be sitting watching him attack you? Seems to make sense that at that point you'd want to be moving quickly to get away. You certainly see him a heck of a lot longer than you see any of the snowmen on Matterhorn. > The queue for Kali River Rapids is wonderfully themed (like all the > Animal Kingdom queues) but also very long. It winds through several > Indian and Tibetan themed stores, temples, and buildings. The theming > here is truly top-notch, and is actually probably better than anything > at Islands of Adventure. Once again, however, I think a lot was put > into the queue and theming and only a little into the ride itself. >=20 > There's simply not much to this ride. It's extremely short, and there > are only a few places where you could get wet. Sounds pretty similar to my thoughts. I'm not sure why they'd put in a rapids ride that, outside of the drop, just really doesn't have any rapids. > Comparisons to Rhino Rally are expected, I'm sure. I mean no offense > to George, of course, but Rhino Rally doesn't even come close.=20=20 None taken at all. Seems people will end up prefering one or the other, and I absolutely understand that. > Rhino > Rally is extremely short in comparison, not nearly as well-landscaped, > and lacks the amount of animals that Kilimanjaro Safaris has.=20 > Additionally, the capacity on Rhino Rally just plain sucks, and that's > being nice about it. I don't know if that's due to the ride system or > staffing,=20 It's not the staffing. It's the vehicles and the system. Rhino can seat 17 at a time vs. the much larger vehicles on Kilamanjaro.=20 Kilamanjaro has no restraits- you sit down and go, while Rhino has seat belts that have to be fastened, taking more time. And Kilamanjaro can load more than one vehicle at a time, where Rhino is really limited to one at a time for a variety of reasons. Sometimes during summer it'll use two loading platforms, but it's rare that it works out that both are actually loading at the same time. You can't dispatch two at once efficiently though. So capacity wise, Rhino is not very good. > The only things better on Rhino Rally are the gator pond > and the water ride portion (though that's not terribly exciting or > interesting either). I love Busch Gardens, but Disney is the clear > winner here. So much of Rhino depends on the driver, including the water portion.=20 Just as a rider, I've been with some drivers that were great, and others simply were boring or very uninteresting. It's a huge difference.=20=20 Where I think Rhino is better is in the storyline and, if you've got a good driver, the interaction and humor. Rhino normally is more entertaining, fun, and informative (some of the facts I heard on Kilamanjaro were just plain wrong) You can talk to the driver, ask questions, and But if the driver is weak, forget it, Disney wins hands down. Although with the freedom given to Rhino's drivers as opposed to the lack of it for Disney's, I'd still give that part at least to Rhino. The sad thing is, Rhino used to have a lot more animals out there than it does now. There used to be at least another 5 kinds of animals, but they've been moved to other areas of the park since then. And with the unreliability of the water portion (thanks Vekoma!), well... So while I still prefer Rhino (and not just because I worked on it), I can easily understand why many wouldn't. > Overall, I think Animal Kingdom is an amazing park in need of more to > do. We were only there half the day on a fairly busy day, and still > accomplished most everything I really wanted to (the only things we > didn't do but would have liked to were the Lion King show, the train > ride, and the Pangani Forest Trail). Thankfully, they definitely have > the expansion space. I'd agree with that, for the most part. There's rumors that they may be thinking about Beastly Kingdom again on the opposite side of the park from Everest. At least if they could finish the loop around the lake on that side it might help with some of the overcrowding of crowds on the walkways on a moderate to busy day. Should be fun to see what they add in the future. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 05:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13315 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 13:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 13:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 13:22:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:21:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:21:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 13:21:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:21:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2EDA31B4-E0E5-485F-83FD-41EE8614E555@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=YfHuqQOAPFAWVLa7BZh-xVj2juweIOU_30LD01txtqG0a6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > I know many people compare it to Busch Gardens, and I think it's safe = =20 > to assume that Disney is going after their customer base, but I think = =20 > they're doing a pretty poor job of it. I've never been to Busch=20=20 > Gardens Tampa, but I just loved the one in VA .. Most people describe = =20 > BGT as "a zoo with rides", while Animal Kingdom seems to be more "a=20=20 > park with animals". Personally I love zoos, which is why I think BGT=20=20 > would suit me so well. I think that's pretty accurage. I'll agree with Nate that Animal Kingdom has a lot more greenery and foliage, and it looks great that way. I wouldn't mind a bit more in BGT. But outside of that, there is much that I prefer BGT over Animal Kingdom for- the animals being just part of it. > If only I had the time to get down there .. and a place to stay ..=20=20 > George?! :) Well, I can't help on the time or way to get down here... Right now we're in an apartment near Tampa, but we're moving at the end of May/ early June to over near Orlando, and most likely into a house if I have anything to do with it (and I do!) So we'll end up around 60-90 minutes from BGT, but around 10-20 from Disney. At that point we shouldn't have any problem having some extra room for a few guests. :) Just hope you like cats. (stewed with lots of veggies is my preference... JK!) keep on ridin' George From gregleg@gregleg.com Fri Mar 31 05:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36691 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 13:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 13:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 13:27:14 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2VDPdXV017109 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:25:39 -0500 (EST) To: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c654c6$a2318550$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZUwz1GH+rNaK1tStqMsLy5CgY6IwAA0vQg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=HfmM55sactpNPm1psn_OHc-2PlpawSTfxFr6v-SBOIIr6iE X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > My new home park should be 6F Wild Waves/Enchanted Village either way. > Sheesh, that's so much less exotic than Hakkejima Sea Paradise. ;) Hey, at least you'd have PNE and Silverwood within road-tripping distance! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 10:50:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87639 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 18:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 18:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 18:50:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:48:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 18:48:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:48:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JW2CHRYI0pv4wgoshovJnJjATH_7IROBw_xS49WvjJ5Tc8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey Jade! Welcome to the club. Actually, I'm very embarrassed to say that I have never been to=20 Kennywood. I know, I know, I should turn in my Enthusiasts card ;p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jade52903" =20 wrote: > Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been to=20 > Kennywood Park in PA? > I have been going there since I was little, and I didn't know if=20 > anyone else out there knew about it, and what their thoughts were. > ~Jade~ From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Mar 31 12:00:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89050 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 20:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 20:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 20:00:45 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so729178nfe for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.35.17 with SMTP id n17mr554288nfj; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.1 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:00:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:00:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2EDA31B4-E0E5-485F-83FD-41EE8614E555@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=z1kIjPqKTE6kwPT6e3sjbqLTZ6ksgJV9u6u8zSpk9z5hfVdsO3JUb2I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I also > > noticed that a Fast Pass return time was posted, even though according > > to the front board and the park map there was no Fast Pass for > > Everest. > That's just odd. I can only make a wild, random guess that maybe they > didn't post it because it's not "officially" open yet (just a few more > days). Well, I'm sure it didn't affect us much since the Fast Passes were probably long gone by the time we even got to the park. Still, it's odd that there are lists of the attractions with Fast Pass all over the park and Everest isn't on any of them. I'm sure your reasoning is correct and we'll see Everest added soon. > Mom got dizzy going backward, but everyone else thought > the ride was pretty boring. The yeti might have been cool, but it's > put in such a stupid spot that you're only allowed a split-second look > at it. I'm sure people will love Everest, and I'm sure it will do > wonders for the park. I'm just disappointed that they went all out on > the theming of the queue and building, and then seem to have forgotten > about the ride itself. I don't know, maybe it's because I had a much different expectation for the ride that I found it very enjoyable. I wasn't expecting a non-stop, fast paced thrill ride. Being billed as an "expedition", I expected several slower moving spots, such as the first helix and climb much like an expedition in a train would be. So in that regard it was pretty much what I was expecting. But I can also see how you'd be disappointed. I'm not sure what I expected. I don't think I expected it to be some gigantic thrill ride, especially after more details of the ride emerged. But I am surprised by the lack of show elements throughout the ride, and I think that's my biggest complaint. It doesn't work well as a thrill ride (because it's not high on thrills), and it doesn't work well as any sort of dark ride because there's just nothing to look at. Essentially, they've just reproduced Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, but with even less to look at along the way. There's no real story, it's just a ride in a mountain (and a really short one at that). > A number of people have complained about how long you see the final > yeti, so you're not alone there. But I'm not sure how making that > longer would have been more effective. Why would you be sitting > watching him attack you? Seems to make sense that at that point you'd > want to be moving quickly to get away. I think a lot of people have compared Everest to The Mummy, and I think that's a pretty fair comparison (although The Mummy is definitely aimed at an older audience). On The Mummy, Imhotep pops up more than once and for several seconds at a time. I think Everest would have been better had the train stopped somewhere, had the Yeti emerge and start attacking, and then dropped into a finale. As is, there's a hint of a storyline there but it really doesn't make any sense. > You certainly see him a heck > of a lot longer than you see any of the snowmen on Matterhorn. Interesting. I haven't ridden the Matterhorn, so I just assumed you cruised by him rather slowly. I think the Matterhorn and Everest are SUPPOSED different rides, though...yet it didn't really end up that way (both are really just rides through the mountain with no real story or show elements). Maybe that's just me. :-) > > Additionally, the capacity on Rhino Rally just plain sucks > It's not the staffing. It's the vehicles and the system. Rhino can > seat 17 at a time vs. the much larger vehicles on Kilamanjaro. > Kilamanjaro has no restraits- you sit down and go, while Rhino has > seat belts that have to be fastened, taking more time. And > Kilamanjaro can load more than one vehicle at a time, where Rhino is > really limited to one at a time for a variety of reasons. Sometimes > during summer it'll use two loading platforms, but it's rare that it > works out that both are actually loading at the same time. You can't > dispatch two at once efficiently though. So capacity wise, Rhino is > not very good. That's kind of what I thought. It seems like this was a pretty big design oversight, and I can't imagine people are happy about waiting in such long lines all the time (and that queue is really quite awful). I don't know how often you guys dispatch on average, but I don't think I ever saw dispatches more often than once/minute. With 17 people per car, that's a dismal capacity of 1020pph. Of course, that's just an estimate, but I'd love to hear actual statistics if you have them. BGT is a great park, but I think capacity is its biggest flaw (and that's not just Rhino Rally). > So much of Rhino depends on the driver, including the water portion. > Just as a rider, I've been with some drivers that were great, and > others simply were boring or very uninteresting. It's a huge > difference. I'm sure that can make a difference, but to me these rides are about seeing the animals, and the Disney ride does a far better job of that. > I'd agree with that, for the most part. There's rumors that they may > be thinking about Beastly Kingdom again on the opposite side of the > park from Everest. At least if they could finish the loop around the > lake on that side it might help with some of the overcrowding of > crowds on the walkways on a moderate to busy day. That would be fun, I think. Personally, I think Animal Kingdom needs more animals, more rides, and a large children's play area (similar to Camp Jurassic at IOA). Just one and not the others isn't going to do it. I can't imagine what this place is like on a truly busy day. -- -Nate Holy $#!*, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 14:00:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46257 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 22:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 22:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 22:00:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 22:00:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 22:00:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:00:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.63.138 From: "Brooke" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=i-DzxRVaGkMagSn9D1y0KWcZrac8gNM0oncbpsuUItzhHnFM-Mup9LWEUw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Wow, Chicago? I might die if I lived that far away from Kennywood=20 and wouldn't be able to go more than once a year. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hey Jade, >=20 > > Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been=20 to > > Kennywood Park in PA? >=20 > Are you kidding? Kennywood is an AWESOME park! Easily one of my=20=20 > favorites, and I'm not alone. I first went to Kennywood in June=20 2004=20=20 > and really, Really, REALLY liked it. I couldn't stay away last=20 year,=20=20 > and I'm sure I'll be back this summer too. >=20 > The park is so well maintained, the rides are terrific, and the=20=20 > atmosphere is amazing. Oh, and Laffin Sal is the funniest thing=20 I've=20=20 > ever seen (if a little scary!). >=20 > I am envious that you live close enough to be able to go=20=20 > frequently .. it's a bit of a schlep from Chicago, but worth the=20 drive. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > ps: Oh, welcome to the group! >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get = =20 * ,_~o > cameron@... ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ > ****************************************************************=20=20=20 \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 * \, > From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 14:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50374 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 22:03:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 22:03:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2006 22:03:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:03:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060330213745.90253.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.63.138 From: "Brooke" Subject: Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=HX524OEJdyajZmPGylU4lMK6V-skBOpmzDfutwpxb569VvKUng2Om1WXuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 *Aero 360 *Racer *Exterminator Sorry, I'm really picky about this kind of stuff, I once went a=20 little crazy over how someone spelled Schwarzkopf Shwarzoff. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Alyssa Molnar=20 wrote: > > I enjoy going to Kennywood... I especially like the Phantom's=20 Revenge, and the Arrow 360, which is a new ride that they just put=20 in not too long ago!=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The Jack Rabbit, is one of the original coasters that is still=20 there along with the Thunderbolt, and the Racers.=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The Exterminater is also a newer coaster that they put in not=20 too long ago. I didn't think that it was all that great, but it was=20 something different since it was in the dark, and a roller coaster. >=20 > Briguy7568@... wrote: > Kennywood is an awesome park. Very nostalgic with some great=20 coasters. I=20=20 > especially > love the Jack Rabbit. That's a great airtime woody and very very=20=20 classic!=20=20 > Thunderbolt > is a very good terrain coaster. They also have the best indoor=20 spinning=20=20 > mouse I've ever > been on! Very nice themed dark rides. If you haven't been there,=20 you need=20 > to go! >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group site at=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. >=20=20=20=20=20 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >=20=20=20=20=20 > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service.=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jade >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC=20 for low, low rates. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 31 14:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18110 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 22:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 22:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 22:34:51 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k2VMYoX1016899 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:34:50 -0600 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:34:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64B77952-46A9-4005-9DAA-041335D1DC2C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:34:41 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 22:34:50.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[52A9B0F0:01C65513] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=la4y_IBkl893XD2jBOH_-9WcxvZMH9OrrXOy6nBp3XQWnKDp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Brooke, Oh, Chicago has other things going for it! :) Cameron. On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Brooke wrote: > Wow, Chicago? I might die if I lived that far away from Kennywood > and wouldn't be able to go more than once a year. > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: >> >> >> Hey Jade, >> >>> Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been > to >>> Kennywood Park in PA? >> >> Are you kidding? Kennywood is an AWESOME park! Easily one of my >> favorites, and I'm not alone. I first went to Kennywood in June > 2004 >> and really, Really, REALLY liked it. I couldn't stay away last > year, >> and I'm sure I'll be back this summer too. >> >> The park is so well maintained, the rides are terrific, and the >> atmosphere is amazing. Oh, and Laffin Sal is the funniest thing > I've >> ever seen (if a little scary!). >> >> I am envious that you live close enough to be able to go >> frequently .. it's a bit of a schlep from Chicago, but worth the > drive. >> >> Cameron. >> >> ps: Oh, welcome to the group! >> >> -- >> Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get > * ,_~o >> cameron@... ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ >> **************************************************************** > \>> | >> I'd rather be Skiing. > * \, >> > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Play a real game, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Play pinball! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 16:53:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91666 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 00:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 00:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 00:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 38473 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 00:53:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401005311.38471.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.11.115] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:53:11 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:53:11 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1143818856.2612.33872.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Washington parks (was Free Tickets) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=kYTxpLsVrSyYghmcNTTQk-liAD_8L_jU-AXEBPr-M3GJNri0tOTV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure where Fort Lewis is < Right where you're going to be, Chris -- in Tacoma. As someone else briefly mentioned, you'll have a chance to add a rare coaster experience to your already stellar track record: The Puyallup Fair's Giant Coaster which operates just two weeks a year. My son was going to go there, but just missed the fair dates. > then it will be either Bangor or Bremerton < Well in Bangor you won't be close to anything...maybe Nova Scotia's Upper Clements Park. It'd be a long drive to Saco's Funtown and New Hampshire's Canobie Lake (both of which are great parks). Jay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 04:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19194 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 12:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 12:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 12:36:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:36:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c654c6$a2318550$0600a8c0@raven> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.37 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Free Amusement Park Tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eqvgyUgHN39AT7tNq-y9wcoyUsePAt_3FClhfa_MnysbIq5Pnw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski" =20 wrote: > > > My new home park should be 6F Wild Waves/Enchanted Village either=20 way.=20 > > Sheesh, that's so much less exotic than Hakkejima Sea Paradise. ;)=20 >=20 > Hey, at least you'd have PNE and Silverwood within road-tripping=20 distance! > Well, those orders fell apart, so now I have to try again this month.=20 sigh... Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 04:56:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99769 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 12:56:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 12:56:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:56:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060401005311.38471.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Washington parks (was Free Tickets) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lbAE6nfYDV1BmLJVzW1OqqlImi2sRMU8OYx2BXvBMZt6VUZ1vQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > >=20 > > I'm not sure where Fort Lewis is < >=20 > Right where you're going to be, Chris -- in Tacoma. As someone=20 else briefly > mentioned, you'll have a chance to add a rare coaster experience to=20 your > already stellar track record: The Puyallup Fair's Giant Coaster=20 which operates > just two weeks a year. My son was going to go there, but just=20 missed the fair dates. >=20 > > then it will be either Bangor or Bremerton < >=20 > Well in Bangor you won't be close to anything...maybe Nova Scotia's=20 Upper Clements Park. > It'd be a long drive to Saco's Funtown and New Hampshire's Canobie=20 Lake > (both of which are great parks). >=20 > Jay Er, Jay, Bangor, Washington, not Maine. So, yeah, Funtown Splashtown=20 would be a REAL long drive! (I didn't get the job though, so I try=20 again this month.) Chris B From jade52903@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 09:22:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81716 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51505.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.197) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:22:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 79972 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 17:21:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401172156.79970.qmail@web51505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.64.27.204] by web51505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:21:56 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:21:56 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alyssa Molnar Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=cjEr9fwcvHU4GO5kA0ZQW9poAR_R7FScPHHOp3NBbfrAvswr X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan, I don't think that you should just hand in your card... I just think that if you ever get the chance that you should go. It's not a big park like Disney, or Six Flags... it's just a little park that has become a tourist attraction now. =) I remember when I was little that you get on a ride and then after the ride get back in line to ride it again... but now you can't do that. You stand in line for awhile now... but it's not that bad. Like I said, if you ever get the chance to go, I think that you should. ~Jade~ Alan wrote: Hey Jade! Welcome to the club. Actually, I'm very embarrassed to say that I have never been to Kennywood. I know, I know, I should turn in my Enthusiasts card ;p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jade52903" wrote: > Since I am new to the group, I was wondering if anyone has been to > Kennywood Park in PA? > I have been going there since I was little, and I didn't know if > anyone else out there knew about it, and what their thoughts were. > ~Jade~ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Jade --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 11:46:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52865 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 19:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 19:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 19:46:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 95242 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2006 19:44:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060401194459.95240.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.242.235] by web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:44:59 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:44:59 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1143907186.1526.85760.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Washington parks (was Free Tickets) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=T92mI7l_amCBCScY_dOAz3eDvAvdAdvLxRwdEI1zgMEKVA_mDPar X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Er, Jay, Bangor, Washington, not Maine. So, yeah, Funtown Splashtown would be a REAL long drive! < LOL! Yeah, and with these gas prices it wouldn't be wise. > (I didn't get the job though, so I try again this month.) < Try what? Do you apply each month to get a different assignment? Jay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 14:52:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49913 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 22:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 22:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 22:52:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 22:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 22:52:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:52:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.213.118.80 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Disney: Trip Reports 1 of 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=teMx31IIKNoKhRKIyIXJ8Vd4yX9V_oL03drqmpIAOGRRRpVYPbhvr5o X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus > FastPass is great and not everyone knows about it, some people are just=20 > too stupid to read their park map! >=20 Whilst I was waiting for my time at jungle cruise, someone picked up their fast pass with a return of about 45 minutes later and then tried to get into the fastpass lane with it - it took about 5 minutes for the guy to persuade her that she had to return between the times on her ticket! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 15:13:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62740 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 23:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 23:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 23:13:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 23:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 23:13:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:13:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.213.118.80 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Disney's Animal Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=mjeXDFf8u3yOOouO8MyFUSm7BCergwATmgM68izuH0rjXXJjP33Iv6s X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus >=20 > I think that's pretty accurage. I'll agree with Nate that Animal > Kingdom has a lot more greenery and foliage, and it looks great that > way. I wouldn't mind a bit more in BGT. But outside of that, there > is much that I prefer BGT over Animal Kingdom for- the animals being > just part of it. >=20 And of course, the four great coasters!=20=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 02 06:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4368 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 13:26:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:26:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060401194459.95240.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Washington parks (was Free Tickets) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=C_kO54uwurFXSb-AC6AXrmzaX36aljfc9HcAilzd39y7yfHitA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > >=20 > > Er, Jay, Bangor, Washington, not Maine. So, yeah, Funtown=20 Splashtown=20 > would be a REAL long drive! < >=20 > LOL! Yeah, and with these gas prices it wouldn't be wise. >=20 > > (I didn't get the job though, so I try again this month.) < >=20 > Try what? Do you apply each month to get a different assignment? >=20 > Jay Jay, this is getting pretty far off topic. If anyone else is=20 interested, let me know. Otherwise, I'll take this off the board and=20 reply to Jay privately. Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sun Apr 02 14:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7976 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 21:44:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:44:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.209.217.158 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR: Big holiday report part 1! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=MBQOez5DOmHXdcHYj9H9q_f6wCeIe3mWp1dQ9fFdn-eXHWDJacMyDNY X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus For those who've spent the last few months hidden under a rock, I've just returned from 3 weeks in orlando, armed with a 5 park flexiticket and a 2 week disney ultimate ticket. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sat 11th: Universal Islands of adventure - with express plus pass, which was handy for hulk, fearfall and popeyes barges, which all had wait times of about 40 mins. first up was dueling dragons - I did both rides from the front seat, and the fire dragon was definitely the best, although we didn't get to "duel" on either go - first time was off by about 5 seconds, second time the ice coaster left about a minute before the fire coaster - had another ride with the dueling later - and it just makes it!! Next was the poseidons fury show - which was ok, and had some nicely done effects - but not the sort of attraction you'd want to see again and again, then went on to the sinbad show, which had some great stunts, and a cheesy script- probably worth watching a few times, but would get a bit long in the tooth after that after lunch, did the jurassic park river adventure, which had a 10 minute delay before we got on, due to "technical dificulties", thought it was a bit disappointing, and didn't get you wet enough (the spectator area got wetter). ripsaw falls was out of action (boo), but popeyes barges was excelent, and got you SOAKED (WAS glad I put my wallet in a plastic bag before riding). Then did hulk, which was great, fearfall, which I probably wouldn't have waited 40 minutes for and spiderman - which was a real highlight, innovatively done and the effects as the bad guys attack your vehicle are very good. We have nothing even close to this in the uk.. After a little snack, had several hours to do some repeats - Spiderman was first - the wait time was only 20 minutes (noticed the singles queue after that), but the queues on most of the rides are pretty cool! also did dueling dragons again, fearfall (the assistant let me through the fastpass lane even thought I'd used it once...) and hulk at night was great, the effect as you come out of the tunnel at night makes it! ----------------- Sun 12th: Universal studios, also express plus - but wasn't really necessary, as the longest waits (shrek and jimmy neutron)=20 first up was back to the future, which was ok and then men in black, which I quite liked - did both without express plus, so I could use it again when the queues were longer. then jaws, which was made by the commentary from the boat driver, and the guy asking if we'd all signed the 240 page waiver. "Earthquake" wasn't quite as good as I was expecting. I then had time to do the et adventure before lunch. I then watched beetlejuices graveyard revue, which was pretty well done, and twister was better than the earthquake atrtraction. Revenge of the mummy was the best attraction here - it's quite surprising that even though there are just 4 rows, the rides are so different - at the back you get some great airtime, and at the front you get to feel the acceleration over the first hill, oh and the effects are great, and the room where they set fire to the roof is awesome! did this 4 times in total throughout the day. Also enjoyed jimmy neutrons blast more than back to the future, and the shrek show wqas pretty clever. Using the express plus pass for the makeup show was a disadvantage, because I was first in, so had to go all the way to the end of the row and got a crap view.. quite a nice show though, also enjoyed the terminator 2 show - the mix of live action and film is well done. was running a little late to do either the animal planet or blues brothers shows, so decided to leave them until my third day there, and moved over to IOA for some rerides there All in all, the theming at both parks was excelent, and the attendants were mostly very good (slight exception for dueling dragons), and the fingerprint access lockers near every major ride were good, particularly as the ones near the "no bags allowed" rides were free for 90 minutes, although some of the attractions at studios were a little disappointing. ----------------- Mon 13th: sea world did Kraken twice, once at the front, once at the back - ideally I'd like to sit at the back for the airtime on the first drop, and then move to the front for the impact on the rest of the ride! Then did atlantis twice, front seat gets you a good soaking. The shows I watched were very good (blue horizons, the nautilus circus and shamu) were all good, and I liked the separate areas which took about 15-30 minutes to explore. Before I left I did the wild arctic motion simulator twice - I liked it a lot! From exitenglish@gmail.com Mon Apr 03 07:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: exitenglish@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47078 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 14:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 14:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 14:53:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 14:52:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 14:52:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:52:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.144.208.57 From: "themodernman03" Subject: Re: TR: Big holiday report part 1! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189256299; y=xhiMjsyNyS72YQKDdVcA5PBsjyHa-3GnV6XP36ddnVgxs5JTyJeuF80 X-Yahoo-Profile: themodernman03 Well I haven't been under a rock, but does a 3 1/2' X 5' cubicle with no access to windows or air conditioning count? I wish I was in Florida right now, but I'm stuck at this crappy job. :-(=20 Thanks for the daydream material :-) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > >=20 > For those who've spent the last few months hidden under a rock, I've > just returned from 3 weeks in orlando, armed with a 5 park flexiticket > and a 2 week disney ultimate ticket. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Sat 11th: Universal Islands of adventure - with express plus pass, > which was handy for hulk, fearfall and popeyes barges, which all had > wait times of about 40 mins. >=20 > first up was dueling dragons - I did both rides from the front seat, > and the fire dragon was definitely the best, although we didn't get to > "duel" on either go - first time was off by about 5 seconds, second > time the ice coaster left about a minute before the fire coaster - had > another ride with the dueling later - and it just makes it!! >=20 > Next was the poseidons fury show - which was ok, and had some nicely > done effects - but not the sort of attraction you'd want to see again > and again, then went on to the sinbad show, which had some great > stunts, and a cheesy script- probably worth watching a few times, but > would get a bit long in the tooth after that >=20 > after lunch, did the jurassic park river adventure, which had a 10 > minute delay before we got on, due to "technical dificulties", thought > it was a bit disappointing, and didn't get you wet enough (the > spectator area got wetter). >=20 > ripsaw falls was out of action (boo), but popeyes barges was excelent, > and got you SOAKED (WAS glad I put my wallet in a plastic bag before > riding). >=20 > Then did hulk, which was great, fearfall, which I probably wouldn't > have waited 40 minutes for and spiderman - which was a real highlight, > innovatively done and the effects as the bad guys attack your vehicle > are very good. We have nothing even close to this in the uk.. >=20 > After a little snack, had several hours to do some repeats - Spiderman > was first - the wait time was only 20 minutes (noticed the singles > queue after that), but the queues on most of the rides are pretty > cool! also did dueling dragons again, fearfall (the assistant let me > through the fastpass lane even thought I'd used it once...) and hulk > at night was great, the effect as you come out of the tunnel at night > makes it! >=20 > ----------------- > Sun 12th: Universal studios, also express plus - but wasn't really > necessary, as the longest waits (shrek and jimmy neutron)=20 >=20 > first up was back to the future, which was ok and then men in black, > which I quite liked - did both without express plus, so I could use it > again when the queues were longer. then jaws, which was made by the > commentary from the boat driver, and the guy asking if we'd all signed > the 240 page waiver. "Earthquake" wasn't quite as good as I was > expecting. I then had time to do the et adventure before lunch. >=20 > I then watched beetlejuices graveyard revue, which was pretty well > done, and twister was better than the earthquake atrtraction. >=20 > Revenge of the mummy was the best attraction here - it's quite > surprising that even though there are just 4 rows, the rides are so > different - at the back you get some great airtime, and at the front > you get to feel the acceleration over the first hill, oh and the > effects are great, and the room where they set fire to the roof is > awesome! did this 4 times in total throughout the day. >=20 > Also enjoyed jimmy neutrons blast more than back to the future, and > the shrek show wqas pretty clever. Using the express plus pass for the > makeup show was a disadvantage, because I was first in, so had to go > all the way to the end of the row and got a crap view.. quite a nice > show though, also enjoyed the terminator 2 show - the mix of live > action and film is well done. >=20 > was running a little late to do either the animal planet or blues > brothers shows, so decided to leave them until my third day there, and > moved over to IOA for some rerides there >=20 >=20 > All in all, the theming at both parks was excelent, and the attendants > were mostly very good (slight exception for dueling dragons), and the > fingerprint access lockers near every major ride were good, > particularly as the ones near the "no bags allowed" rides were free > for 90 minutes, although some of the attractions at studios were a > little disappointing. >=20 > ----------------- > Mon 13th: sea world >=20 > did Kraken twice, once at the front, once at the back - ideally I'd > like to sit at the back for the airtime on the first drop, and then > move to the front for the impact on the rest of the ride! Then did > atlantis twice, front seat gets you a good soaking. >=20 > The shows I watched were very good (blue horizons, the nautilus circus > and shamu) were all good, and I liked the separate areas which took > about 15-30 minutes to explore. >=20 > Before I left I did the wild arctic motion simulator twice - I liked > it a lot! > From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 03 08:13:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67287 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 15:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 15:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 15:13:05 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k33FCUgG022995 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:12:30 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:12:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:12:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 15:12:30.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[06AF3EC0:01C65731] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Big holiday report part 1! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=5tA1lsYJXu6opKxuUCuDaKLpVwjwRTLDVcLoF4D_ogZB2wpc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Well I haven't been under a rock, but does a 3 1/2' X 5' cubicle with > no access to windows or air conditioning count? Hey .. what are you doing in my cube?!! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From serpmage@juno.com Mon Apr 03 09:34:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47641 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 16:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 16:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 16:34:27 -0000 Received: from webmail44.lax.untd.com (webmail44.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.184]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDCVWRABCQSJ2 for (sender ); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:34:23 -0700 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail44.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LL2YP4Z7; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:33:50 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail44.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:33:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:33:27 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060403.093350.8674.830421@webmail44.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2745322351 X-MAIL-INFO:5d3f873b5acf775aef13cfbb77bb0f0e4e1f9f67432b8ff70a1f4e97836f3e5a8f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAO0KWQzPqKT9LQStoPcaSjsDaAqfkqYUxg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.184|webmail44.lax.untd.com|webmail44.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Big holiday report part 1! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=kBv411a9VQi9athE054WSPQqi7-KTBoIeWe1EqlhNrCKeidnzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >> Well I haven't been under a rock, but does a 3 1/2' X 5' cubicle >with >> no access to windows or air conditioning count? > >Hey .. what are you doing in my cube?!! > >Cameron. >-- Heh, I may be stuck in a cube too, but at least my cube is in Florida. I attempted to go to Sea World yesterday, but as we were pulling into the p= arking lot at 10:00 in the morning (park opened at 9), they were already ge= tting ready to park Turtle lot, which for those of you who don't know, is t= heir oveflow lot on the other side of the street from the rest of the lots.= We decided to give it a pass and went downtown. Ahh the advantages of ha= ving an annual pass... Tim N. =20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 03 12:13:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8220 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 19:13:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 19:12:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 19:12:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:12:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park boss 'sexually harassed worker' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J0TXI4twdfaDqJIuLcKMRMwJJAIXZHjPjALwpLw3clA3EDs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 3, 2006 The Yomiuri Shimbun http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20060403TDY02005.htm Kurashiki, Okayama Prefecture, JP -- A female employee of the firm=20 that operates Kurashiki Tivoli Park in Kurashiki, Okayama Prefecture,=20 has filed a complaint with police against the firm's president, whom=20 she claims sexually harassed her at the firm's New Year's party held=20 in January at a hotel in the city. The police will question those concerned with the case. The 60-y.o. president of the semipublic joint venture company told=20 The Yomiuri Shimbun that he merely put his arm around the woman's=20 shoulders "to encourage her." According to the female employee and others, the president pushed the=20 woman onto a sofa in a hotel bar after the party on Jan. 17. He then=20 allegedly grabbed her breasts and embraced her from behind. The woman contacted the police in connection with the case in early=20 February and the president apologized to her. But as he did not=20 appear to show sufficient remorse, the woman decided to file a=20 complaint against him. --------- =A9 The Yomiuri Shimbun From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 03 12:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68828 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 19:21:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 19:19:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 19:19:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:19:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme Parks: Arrive Early _ or Stay Home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nWqcq8QIuM5KiPYCyLmivUmN_auo5NWBNwwdgjhc_1SEM3E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 3, 2006 The Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20060403/ap_tr_ge/travel_are_we_ther e_yet_1 By BETH J. HARPAZ Here's all you need to know about having a great time at any major=20 amusement park. Get there before it opens. It works at Six Flags. It works at Universal. And yes, it even works=20 at Disney. "What if everyone comes early?" asks Kim Wright Wiley,=20 author of "Walt Disney World with Kids 2006" (Fodor's, $16.95). Answer: "They won't." Now, planning an early arrival at one of these places is a=20 complicated undertaking. By the time you're done, you'll feel a=20 little like Eisenhower after D-Day. But the victory will be no less=20 sweet when you look at your watch and realize you've done the park's=20 top 6 rides in 90 minutes without waiting on any line so long that=20 one of your kids needed a bathroom break. Here's how you stage your surprise invasion. If possible, buy your tickets in advance from a Web site. They're=20 usually cheaper on the Internet than at the gate anyway, but the=20 biggest advantage is that with tickets in hand, there's one less line=20 to wait on when you get to the park. Before you go, research what the best rides are and where in the park=20 they are located. In most parks, the newest rides have the longest=20 lines, followed by the biggest coasters and scariest thrill rides.=20 Read the descriptions on theme park Web sites, and check out=20 recommendations on sites like http://www.tripadvisor.com and=20 http://www.themeparkinsider.com to figure out how you want to spend=20 your first hour in the park. Study a map of the park, and plan to do=20 the rides that are nearest the entrance first =97 they're the ones that=20 will have the longest lines early in the day. Be sure to check height=20 requirements for your children. Set the alarm clock! OK, you'll hate me when you roll out of bed in=20 the pre-dawn darkness, but you'll thank me when you smugly walk past=20 the signs that announce waiting times of an hour or longer for the=20 rides you already went on. To save time, I bring a portable breakfast that can easily be=20 consumed in the car on the way there =97 bagels, yogurt, oranges or=20 bananas, chocolate-milk boxes, Frappuccino for the grown-ups.=20 Essentials for the bag you bring inside the park include sunscreen=20 and a water bottle. Try to time your arrival at the park for at least a half-hour or 45=20 minutes before the stated opening time. These places seem to be=20 designed with an intent to confuse anyone who hasn't gone=20 orienteering with Outward Bound, and this way you'll have plenty of=20 time to get lost between the highway exit and the right parking lot. Then you'll need to time to find the shuttle from the parking lot to=20 the park. If you've ever boarded a New York subway at rush hour,=20 those skills will come in handy as you force your way onto the first=20 tram or bus that arrives. Just like at the grocery store, some lines at the gate move faster=20 than others. We split the grown-ups up between 2 lines to see who=20 gets there first, then put the whole family on the fastest line at=20 the last minute. Have your tickets ready. Be prepared for the metal detector, the bag=20 search, and even sometimes a request for photo ID. Yes, ladies and=20 gentlemen, being admitted to an amusement park is not unlike visiting=20 a jail these days, or getting on an airliner. I haven't been asked to=20 remove my shoes yet, but I suspect that will happen any day. Don't forget to get a map at the entrance. It may be your last=20 chance. Once you're in the park, those things are harder to come by=20 than reasonably priced food. Are you through the gate yet? OK, now, before you do anything else,=20 find the nearest bathroom and insist that everyone try to go. The=20 last thing you want is to hear, "Mommy, I need to..." when you're=20 about to board a runaway mine train or spinning teacup. Finally, I know that as a parent I'm not supposed to say this, but=20 there's one more way to make sure you get to that coveted coaster=20 before the line gets too long. Grab your kids' hands, and RUN =97 don't=20 walk. -------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc From yaytez@cs.com Mon Apr 03 14:31:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: yaytez@cs.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56109 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 21:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 21:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.223) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 21:30:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 21:30:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:30:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.203.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.117.73 From: "yaytez" Subject: Coaster Marathon for Make A Wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227907818; y=eebtH3TajgpIAp8xj8X4PqAJ2iuWbwA-4_J6ONytJBHq X-Yahoo-Profile: yaytez Hey everyone...hope this is alright My name is Erik, and I've started a little organization called Coasting For Kids. We're nothing special, just a bunch of theme park and coaster enthusiasts that decided to use our love of coasters to try and help other people. In that spirit we organized our coaster marathon at Cypress Gardens Adventure Park in Winter Haven FL on Saturday May 20 2006. Cypress Gardens was nice enough to host the event and let us use their Triple Hurricane coaster. We're going to try and raise money for the Make A Wish foundation. They help out children with life threatening illnesses by granting their wish and bringing a bit of joy into an other wise hard time in their lives.=20 For every thousand dollars we raise we are going to ride for one hour. Simple, right? If you would like to help out please let me know. We have a website up that tells a lot more info about me and the other folks involved. Check us out at myspace.com/coastingforkids Thanks for reading this. Erik From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Apr 03 14:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23564 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 21:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2006 21:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 21:41:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 21:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2006 21:40:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:40:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.201.147.7 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR: Big holiday report part 2 (of about 4 or 5)! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=A105P8QZgJEJosE-elDyxUJj6QreFZmpun33Zlp0VLFNu7M91KZ2pOM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Tue 14th - rest day, also had a few hours in wet n wild, did most of the slides once, and spent about half an hour going round lazy river.. ----------------- Wed 15th / thurs 16th - Busch gardens First day, did sheikra, the 3 water ridex (tidal wave was the best - got SOAKED!!), also did kumba (great ride), python (which was rough as hell), scorpion (which had a nice whip to it), and rhino rally - the driver was great, then pirates 3d - which was probably the only slightly disappointing thing, and did gwazi twice - one at the front. one at the rear, some nice airtime at the back - mental ride!! Was booked into the luxury safari lodge nearby, certainly appreciated the extra few hours that gave me at the park (the shuttle bus left at 5), The bird show was good too. Thursday I did montu, katonga (which was great), splashed out on the serngeti safari, and explored the animal areas, and did repeats on the other big coasters - oh yeah, and I got on the skyride when it was running! I loved the place - the animal areas are great, the big coasters are excelent, the layout is good, the funnel cakes are yummy, and there is plenty to do for all ages. I forgot my camera, so altered my plans to come back again and visit with cam (and do the beer tastings) ----------------- Fri 17th - sun 19th - Megaplex puppetry / mascot convention ----------------- mon 20th - Disney MGM studios Got there at about 8:15, and realised I'd forgotten my pass, Oh damn, I think - that means more expense, I went to the ticket window and said "guess who forgot his pass?", she correctly guessed it was me, and said "oh, it happens all the time - just bring todays ticcket to guest relations, with the receipt and your ticket and they'll refund you". They'd never do that at alton towers over here! first up did 2 rides each on rock n roller coaster and tower of terror - rock n roller coaster grew on me - I love the initial launch, but think the rest of the ride could have been a bit better, but I loved tower of terror - the theming is terrific and I love the way each ride is different . The fantasmic show in the evening was very well done, although a bit scary for kids. did most of the other rides too: The good: great movie ride - the tour guides were great, and the section where bugsy malone hijacks your vehicle is a great touch! Indiana jones stunt show - far better than the shows at universal studios Lights motors action - some incredible, high-speed stunts, and they show you a few secrets as well. The backlot tour - divided into 3 sections - the first section, they set up a harbour scene with 4 audience members - one gets a good soaking in the ship control room, and the others lark about on the deck whilst being attacked, second section is a bus tour, which takes in "catastrophe canyon" where they simulate an earthquake (done better than the universal earthquake), occasionally you are also allowed through the set of lights motors action, 3rd section is just a walk through. The not so good: sounds dangerous - just an "investigative show" mainly in the dark. Muppetvision - heard good reports about this - but didn't think it was as good as the shrek 4d. the narnia exhibition - nothing to this at all... Overall - I think the overall layout and theming at universal was better, but the shows and attractions here were far better (except the mummy) ----------------- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Apr 03 18:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89444 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 01:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 01:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 01:29:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 01:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 01:28:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:28:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.12.34 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Desperado construction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9L3Th6uWbwuE39WasrKP5YzCI3qeBIp27CZ_OtSuf2o9Pb1RyuCH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I've posted a picture that I captured while I was playing around with FlashEarth (www.flashearth.com). What I like about that site is you can kick back and forth between Google's satellite views and LiveLocal's. I've been looking at amusement parks all over the country. It's really fascinating. (I didn't realize Fiesta Texas' wave pool was shaped like the great state itself!) I happened to check out Buffalo Bill's casino and found two vastly different versions. The one from Google was taken in the past few years and looked as I expected it to. But the one from LiveLocal was taken when construction on Desperado had just begun. There were some footers and columns in place, but mostly just lots of dirt. The picture is here: > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/browse/3f12?c=3D = < Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 02:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81937 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 09:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 09:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 09:56:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 09:53:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 09:52:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:52:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.177.6 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park boss 'sexually harassed worker' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=e855C836v-FcoSaHFIExyQLvbBeyq1ar7SdWg_vBX7Xy9AXMNw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Apr. 3, 2006 > The Yomiuri Shimbun > http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20060403TDY02005.htm >=20 >=20 > Kurashiki, Okayama Prefecture, JP -- A female employee of the firm=20 > that operates Kurashiki Tivoli Park in Kurashiki, Okayama Prefecture,=20 > has filed a complaint with police against the firm's president, whom=20 > she claims sexually harassed her at the firm's New Year's party held=20 > in January at a hotel in the city. Sounds like somebody had just a bit too much celebration to drink that night.=20 The park in question has a ride called "Family Coaster" that even has baby seats! Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 12:23:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72952 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 19:23:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 19:22:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 19:22:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:22:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Big holiday report part 2 (of about 4 or 5)! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vtR4zt8KGJUGBTKJHzcQbYNSbnJT0EM5fyEDTOOAc69AkrU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hold on one minute! You think you could just GLOSS over the "mascot convention" without any=20 explaination? Come on -- spill it! -Alan (We need to be able to make fun of you some how!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > >SNIP< > ----------------- > Fri 17th - sun 19th - Megaplex puppetry / mascot convention > ----------------- > SNIP> From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 12:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88820 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 19:52:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 19:52:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:52:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Little Leaguers chance to Win Six Flags Amusement Park Tickets from Sunkist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZrXvB3l5Gz5aX-Y3WSpGnbjIM3n-ndaxHZuQSinVIjKWduE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This was SO long, and SO redundent, I did some heavy editing. Go to www.teamsunkist.com/usa for all of the contest rules, and what- not. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ April 4, 2006 PR Web http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/4/prweb366685.htm Sherman Oaks, CA -- Win $250 worth of sporting equipment, 1-month=20 supply of delicious Sunkist=AE oranges & Six Flags Amusement Park=20 tickets for your Little League team by entering=20 Sunkist's "Sensational Squeeze Play" writing contest before May 12,=20 2006. Sunkist is offering this contest to promote how oranges are=20 great fresh snacks that can be used to help fuel players out on the=20 field. The call is out! As the "Official Fresh Snack of Little League=AE=20 Baseball and Softball", Sunkist is calling for all LL players,=20 coaches, families and friends across America to share their best,=20 most exciting story about how their team made a sensational squeeze=20 play that saved the day. Stories will be reviewed and the BEST will=20 win 20 general admission tickets to 1 6F Amusement Park in the U.S. Starting April 3, 2006, visit www.teamsunkist.com/usa to get not only=20 all the details about how oranges are great fresh snacks that fuel=20 players on the field, but also how to enter and win tickets for the=20 entire LL team to 6F. Any coach, player, family member or friend can=20 enter the contest by submitting a 100-word story about how the team=20 made a sensational squeeze play that helped deliver the team in a=20 pinch. The story can be about anything ranging from an amazing=20 winning play from the outfield during a game to a play made off the=20 field like mom having to chauffeur a team all night just to make it=20 in time for the big game, or about a player or coach who was able to=20 go to the extreme to lead the team to victory. In addition to 20 6F tickets, the winning team will also receive a 1- month supply of oranges. To sweeten the deal even more, two 1st-place=20 winning teams will win $250 worth of sporting equipment AND a 1-month=20 supply of oranges. What's more, Sunkist is distributing specially marked bags of oranges=20 that include a free Upper Deck=AE collectible baseball trading card.=20 The cards feature 9 current professional greats who inspire thousands=20 of LL players. "Sunkist is committed to providing kids with a healthy=20 snack," said Robert Verloop, VP of Marketing, Sunkist Growers,=20 Inc. "We're proud to offer LL players and families fresh and fun=20 snacks to fuel up on instead of sugary candy, cookies or chips." Healthy snacking isn't just for LL players. In fact, it is especially=20 important for all growing kids to eat healthy foods and replenish=20 their bodies with abundant doses of Vitamin C. Just 1 navel orange is=20 an excellent source of fiber and supplies 130% of the recommended=20 daily value of Vitamin C. Additionally, since most citrus fruit is=20 even packed with soluble fiber, just 1 orange is more filling and=20 satisfies hunger much longer than a high-calorie snack. "LL Baseball=20 appreciates the partnership with Sunkist and their commitment to keep=20 our kids healthy and energized on and off the field." said Stephen D.=20 Keener, president and CEO of LL Baseball. "The 'SSP' contest is a=20 great way to promote a fresh and healthy snack and food alternative=20 for active families." All contest entries to win tickets for 6F must be postmarked before=20 May 12, 2006. Visit www.teamsunkist.com/usa for complete rules and=20 judging criteria. ------- Copyright 1997-2006, PRWeb=AE =A92006 Sunkist Growers, Inc. =A92006 The Upper Deck Company =A92006 MLBPA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 13:07:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71849 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 20:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 20:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 20:07:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 20:04:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 20:04:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:04:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park coming to S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uP7rLbx8a65Rj34iHHx87fYhaE9rAeybrBvkhVNaKnrckag X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 02, 2006 Charlotte Observer http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/14244946.htm ANDREW SHAIN Hannah Mitchell Myrtle Beach, SC -- Myrtle Beach has landed its first theme park just=20 3 weeks after learning the venerable Pavilion amusement park will=20 close this year. The $400 million, 140-acre park licensed by the Hard Rock Cafe could=20 open by 2008. The park will be built at Fantasy Harbour, a one-time=20 theater complex and site of Waccamaw Pottery on US-501 at the=20 Intracoastal Waterway. It's 4 miles from the Pavilion along US- 501. "We've gotten more hotels, more shopping, more golf courses;=20 that's been great," Wayne Gray, a restaurant owner and board chairman=20 of the MB Area Chamber of Commerce, said Saturday. "This is an=20 attraction that will have people saying, `I'm going to MB just for=20 that.' " HR, announced Friday, will have 40 attractions featuring rock=20 music's "culture, lifestyle, legends and irreverence," a news release=20 said. The park also will have an amphitheater, hotel and rock=20 memorabilia - some of which can't fit in the chain's 121=20 restaurants. "With nearly $400 million in investment and the creation=20 of approximately 3,000 jobs, HR represents the largest single=20 investment in tourism infrastructure in South Carolina's history,"=20 S.C. Gov. Mark Sanford said in a statement. The HR will join Paramount's Carowinds as the Carolinas' only theme=20 parks. The park that straddles the N.C.-S.C. border in south=20 Charlotte opened in 1973. Carowinds is coming off a record attendance year in 2005, park=20 spokesman Scott Anderson said. The park doesn't release attendance=20 figures, Anderson said, but Amusement Business magazine estimated=20 Carowinds' attendance last year at 2.1 million over 7 months. "We're=20 still learning the details and don't have enough information to know=20 if the proposed theme park in MB will have an impact," Anderson said=20 Saturday. MB draws thousands of Charlotte-area visitors annually. Gray expects=20 HR could turn Carowinds day-trippers into MB weekenders. Some park experts questioned whether HR would be successful. "A $400=20 million theme park in that market?" Dennis Speigel, president of=20 International Theme Park Services, told The (Myrtle Beach) Sun=20 News. "It's a pretty singular theme, and that's not a year-round=20 market. ... I think this could be somewhat questionable." MB tourism leaders acknowledged the theme park will have to fight for=20 business when weather turns colder. The park is expected to close=20 each January and February. "Will the weather hold out for a 10-month=20 season? That's questionable," Gray said. "But they could build some=20 amusements to handle 50-dgeree weather." HR officials did not return calls Saturday. Financing is set with=20 investment from 2 New York real estate investors, 2 Israeli firms and=20 a group of MB business leaders, according to the news release. Horry=20 County has approved construction, expected to begin this spring. The Pavilion closing made HR possible by eliminating potential=20 competition, Frans Mustert, president of the Patricia Resorts and a=20 MB Area Chamber of Commerce board member, said Saturday. "Both=20 announcements are going to change the MB landscape," he said. "With=20 the Pavilion closing, all those T-shirt and tattoo places are going=20 to be a thing of the past. And the HR is going to raise the bar here=20 and extend our tourist season." -------- =A9 2006 Charlotte Observer From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 15:39:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33645 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 22:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 22:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 22:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 22:38:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 22:38:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 22:38:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:38:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park coming to S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=_hyjJ3Ba9U6Y08VdrJ33lJgwrJV8LjByVVbtfENrYSCGX4FQ6EMc X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > HR, announced Friday, will have 40 attractions featuring rock=20 > music's "culture, lifestyle, legends and irreverence," a news=20 > release said. The park also will have an amphitheater, hotel and=20 > rock memorabilia - some of which can't fit in the chain's 121=20 > restaurants. This sounds like a good theme for a park if you ask me, but they're=20 really vague on what this place will actually have. Is the target=20 market teenagers, families, or adults? By "attractions," do they=20 mean rides and roller coasters, or something more like a rock museum=20 or the Experience Music Project or the like? And how's that Hard Rock brand doing these days, anyway? I thought=20 they were on the wane since the early '90s, along with the general=20 saturation level of rock music in youth culture. Or is the brand=20 still strong? The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas seems=20 fairly popular. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Apr 04 16:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36030 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 23:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2006 23:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 23:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 23:33:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 23:33:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2006 23:33:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:33:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.213.196.30 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR: Big holiday report part 3! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=yHAoQ5zsZVN97tPsB6Q-nsHPVYaMl9nfTiAMkg2dHb5Tutq-CNdU_Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus tue 21st - Magic kingdom first up headed to splash mountain and thunder mountain, which were both disappointing after the universal and busch gardens coasters, I then did the haunted mansion - I loved the effects in the first 2 rooms, but the ride itself wasn't quite as good as the alton towers jaunted house - except for the bit where they showed you reflections of your cars, with ghosts inside! I then did most of the stuff inside fantasyland (even though I was on my own....), peter pan, small world, snow white, got a fastpass for winnie the pooh (bouncing with tigger) and did philharmagic (great 3d show - nice music, and a cute ending with donald being shot into the back of the cinema). Then onto tomorrowland, wait time for stitch was 20 mins, and 50 mins for both space mountain and buzz lightyear, so I got a fastpass for space mountain, and then realised I should have looked closer at the return times - I had 40 minutes to kill before my time was up - so explored the shops, and went on the wedway people mover (better name than the tomorrowland transit authority ;-) a couple of times.=20 Stitches escape was pants, buzz lightyear was ok, and it was nice to finally get that second ride on space mountain! (the first one was over 20 years ago when I went with mum and dad, before epcot was there, mum hated it, and dad and my bro got a second ride, but I had to stand by as I was too young to go myself :( ) Did the carousel of progress before moving onto jungle cruise - thought it was nicely done, and I liked the way the whole seating rotated, cute doggy too! Got my fastpass for jungle cruise, and went to the enchanted tiki room - had heard bad reports so I was expecting much, but was pleasantly surprised by it. While waiting for my jungle cruise fastpass time to come up, someone got their fastpass and tried to get straight in - took a while for them to persuade her that she couldn't do that- and then she tried again when the cast members swapped places!! The commentary on the cruise was pretty amusing. Then watched the spectromagic parade and fireworks before heading home - the parade seems never ending, and the fireworks were a little disappointing. Mqgic kingdom does the family rides really well - but needs a killer coaster. ----------------- wed 22nd - Universal. In the morning I watched the animal planet show (very good) and the blues brothers show (great stuff - loved the way they drove upto the stage!) also got a couple of repeats on the mummy, before going onto IOA for some repeats there too - missed out on hulk , as I didn't realise the park closed at 7pm that day. Spiderman had some slight hiccups near the end when you get caught by the web. ----------------- Thu 23rd - rest day, looked round pointe orlando, got some new trainers, and then looked around wonderworks, which was pretty good for an hour or so's entertainment ----------------- Fri 24th - Busch gardens. Did repeats on montu. kumba and gwazi, sheikra had a problem, and I couldn't get back in time to ride again before the damn coach left, Took lots of pics, but couldn't do the beer tasting because of ID problems! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Apr 04 17:31:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13425 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 00:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 00:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 00:31:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 26235 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 00:31:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060405003104.26233.qmail@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.242.64] by web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:31:04 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:31:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1144160946.1373.54029.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Coaster Marathon for Make A Wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=juMVXnn8QqP_UCzKAEwhWMfTkKlc9AjzEEoRojgH6J_E_JQump4z X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > We're going to try and raise money for the Make A Wish foundation. < That's a really great idea, Erik! Good luck with it. I hope it's a big su= ccess for you. Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 05 12:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55740 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 19:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 19:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 19:50:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2006 19:49:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:49:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Schwarzkopf spelling... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=OOeRv5JW1My1phl93rP-f24R5vr_mI97Eq0shcFuj_g8SicCmVMm X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >Sorry, I'm really picky about this kind of stuff, I once went a=20 >little crazy over how someone spelled Schwarzkopf Shwarzoff. Do I have to start this all over again? Adam? From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Wed Apr 05 13:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76223 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 20:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 20:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.104) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 20:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 92874 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 20:13:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060405201324.92872.qmail@web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:13:24 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park coming to S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=5-4_9MCH9XIwxPP4-rgfz66R2aZw-froOckV2Euhs7ZY_W6US_ziNkyabw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Is the target market teenagers, families, or adults? By "attractions," do they mean rides and roller coasters, or something more like a rock museum or the Experience Music Project or the like? Exactly what I was wondering. >And how's that Hard Rock brand doing these days, anyway? I'm not sure, but when I was down in Baltimore last summer the Hard Rock Cafe was packed and they had this outdoor music thing going on, so we had to skip it. Either that or wait forever to get in. (We went to SuperDog instead :P) --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Apr 05 13:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13662 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 20:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 20:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.197) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 20:29:24 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so1454476wxc for ; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.14 with SMTP id c14mr79670wxd; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:29:22 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park coming to S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=FO6My0QphDCRaCmA42aKPcSDjqonRSakff_qUsf45gCecu_MRWFG1qQ X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > This sounds like a good theme for a park if you ask me, but they're > really vague on what this place will actually have. Is the target > market teenagers, families, or adults? By "attractions," do they > mean rides and roller coasters, or something more like a rock museum > or the Experience Music Project or the like? I agree they've been pretty vague about the whole thing, and I've been hoping that eventually we'd get some descriptions or concept art or something. But if I may quote Screamscape, we do know that they, "will open with more than 40 themed rides, shows and attractions." So they will have rides, though that still isn't saying much, since parks tend to be pretty general in what they consider attractions, and it's possible that many of those 40 could be some kind of "attraction."=20 Still, with 40, we should see at least a few rides. Anyways, I'm interested to see where this is going. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From lance@screamscape.com Wed Apr 05 14:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5023 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2006 21:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 21:02:48 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k35L2lSF008999 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02e401c658f4$55f0d970$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock theme park coming to S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Au-wjp97gRnTt-gXYOTu1aoE5w5lWxFB7YVoqIOQpeSiQ49khKf5IITnHw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I agree they've been pretty vague about the whole thing, and I've been > hoping that eventually we'd get some descriptions or concept art or > something. But if I may quote Screamscape, we do know that they, > "will open with more than 40 themed rides, shows and attractions." So > they will have rides, though that still isn't saying much, since parks > tend to be pretty general in what they consider attractions, and it's > possible that many of those 40 could be some kind of "attraction." > Still, with 40, we should see at least a few rides. While they have been vague about it, with a budget of $400 million I can only assume they will have a good selection of rides in the park when it opens. As I seem to recall, a small park like Jazzland was build with a budget of about $120 million. By comparison, I believe the last two major theme parks built in this country were Islands of Adventure and Disney's California Adventure, both said to have clocked in around the $1 billion mark. I can see most of it at IOA, but I'm not sure where it all went at DCA... That said, for $400 million I think they'll get a nice sized park on opening day. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Apr 06 00:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39273 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 07:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 07:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 07:53:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2006 07:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2006 07:53:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:53:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.209.202.107 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR: Big holiday report part 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=V_dIhDUZr9XO3J7dFvCfdaZWODwAG2bzvUbByWKJEsuZAVET0xbpcyc X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Sat 25th - epcot Soarin sucked, the circle of life was too preachy, although the living with the land boat trip was quite cool - particularly in the greenhouses. The imagination zone was pretty cool - journey with figment was good, and the image works has some good things for kids (and big kids), and the "I shrunk the audience" show was good, despite the long drawn out preshow and ads for kodak, and gave you the customary spray with water. Booked in for dinner at the Japanese tepanyaki restaurant (they squeezed me in at 4:30...) and went on to test track, which was sweet, and mission space, which creates some good g forces, and is technically very good! First ride took a good hour to recover, second go was better! looked around the canada, uk and france areas before dinner - was getting a little fed up of films with snow capped mountains by this time, both shows were a little dull. The tepanyaki meal was excelent, I had steak and scallops (First time I'd tried scallops), pricing was pretty cool - I have seen a couple of tepanyaki restaurants over here, but the prices are approximately double this. Had a couple of visits to the club cool area for the free samples of global drinks Looked around morocco, mexico and norway before the fireworks - liked the mexican area a lot, and the boat ride in norway was cool. The epcot cookies were yummy, and the fireworks were excelent, had a good view of the fireworks, but decided to get a better view of the spinning globe for the second day there. I'm impressed by the way at both epcot and MK they run the fireworks without closing off any of the park - I went to alton towers for their fireworks night a few years ago, and they shut the queue for oblivion about 3 hours before the display!=20 ----------------- Sun 26th - animal kingdom. firstly I did expedition everest - which was a little diapoointing, but the overall setting and theming was pretty well done - I liked watching the bit with the yeti tearing the tracks, and the final meeting was pretty nicely done- I wouldn't agree with the people saying that the meeting was too short. alsogot a fastpass for a second ride on it Went to the kilimanjaro safaris - which was superbly done - you see so many animals, although it sucked that there were no pauses for pictures, I did it a second time with my cheapo video camera as none of my photos came out. I liked this better than rhino rally at busch gardens because there were more animals to see - the ending with the poachers was silly though. the jungle trek and other trails weren't as good as the busch gardens areas by now the park was swarming and moving around was quite a chalenge! The flights of wonder show was not as good as animnal planet or the show at busch gardens, and the camp tour leader with the flag was just silly The wildlife express and planet watch were quite disappointing, although it was interesting to see the safari animals sleeping quarters on the journey out. The river rapids has a nice drop at the begining, but is a bit too short.=20 The dinoland area is appalingly themed and has a very scruffy overall look - Dinosaur was quite a nice attraction, I gave primeval whirl a miss as I can do a spinning mouse anywhere..=20 Moved onto the tough to be a bug show, the parade was about to start, and things were pretty snarled up, and it took about 10 minutes to walk from the start of the line, to the front, even though I was in the next available show..! The show was excelent, possibly the best of the 3d shows, the "live robotics" mixed in was a nice touch, as were the seat effects with the hornets and cockroaches. The lion king show was nicely done, but I think I prefered the circus show at sea world. All in all - the park needs some serious rethinking - the theming around discovery island and between asia and africa is excelent, but the rest is patchy, moving around at parade time is a nightmare, and except for the safari and tough to be a bug. the attractions are disappointing. ----------------- Mon 27th - rest Did a round of crazy golf, ripleys believe it or not, and lunch in taco bell (never tried them before - dunno why they don't open up in the uk), then looked round the freeplay arcade at the funspot - some good oldies there, but a lot of them had dodgy joysticks! From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Thu Apr 06 08:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79789 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 15:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 15:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.130) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 15:43:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5313 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2006 15:43:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060406154344.5311.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:43:44 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:43:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Big holiday report part 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=QwE1sXJ0KqHQtSsLldn_ToFQ2-z7s860ExVTJaIsbpacwIqsO0qrmvM3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone ridden both EPCOT and DCA's Soarin'? I had the chance the experi= ence DCA's in January and loved it (outside of the transitions between foot= age). Are there any differences at all? -Bryan daniel_roachus wrote: Sat 25th - epcot =20 Soarin sucked, the circle of life was too preachy, although the living with the land boat trip was quite cool - particularly in the greenhouses. =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 06 09:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52355 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 16:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 16:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 16:29:07 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k36GT49B025782 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:29:04 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:29:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B42E7FD-0132-4B12-BF19-016028BD12A4@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:28:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2006 16:29:05.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[3893C560:01C65997] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Big holiday report part 2 (of about 4 or 5)! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KTleTDd4dWQoSC96ugwQDDdtj99s8Y9ZgKzn1j0zsSu-HjPl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Wed 15th / thurs 16th - Busch gardens Ugh .. SO ENVIOUS! > first up did 2 rides each on rock n roller coaster and tower of terror > - rock n roller coaster grew on me - I love the initial launch, but > think the rest of the ride could have been a bit better I was really disappointed with this coaster. The theming in the queue is so great, as is the setup for the launch ... but then the ride gets going and it's just a coaster in the dark with lit-up cardboard signs every few feet. I mean, that would be lame even in a Six Flags park! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Life! Don't talk * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** to me about life.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Apr 06 10:08:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28613 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 17:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2006 17:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 17:08:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2006 17:08:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2006 17:08:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:08:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Big holiday report part 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=o7eYVRsI_TcwBWVxBT-V80GYaL6NYbr84ViMBz_NlyUFhj1laoys X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > Mon 27th - rest >=20 > Did a round of crazy golf, ripleys believe it or not, and lunch in > taco bell (never tried them before - dunno why they don't open up in > the uk), Heh. I always make sure to try out the more mundane local things when=20 I'm traveling in addition to the big attractions. When I visited=20 Canada, I made sure to try poutine, smoked meat, and ketchup-flavoured=20 potato chips. Verdict, respectively: yum, yum, yeccchh. Glad you had fun in Florida! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 07 04:35:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33359 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 11:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 11:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 11:35:09 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k37BYuFj006576 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <06f201c65a37$4d1bb380$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060406154344.5311.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Big holiday report part 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0M3bH1kViznLGFY2neoKiOxpX3V4UGoT1QFaCj2upE4mtI7JPpGSSdmbBg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Has anyone ridden both EPCOT and DCA's Soarin'? I had the chance the experience DCA's in January and loved it (outside of the transitions between footage). Are there any differences at all? The rides itself seems identical in every way. I believe the only difference was the pre-ride saftey video, and the queue themes are difference. DCA's is done like a test pilot / right stuff kind of theme while the Epcot version is done up like a modern airport gate. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 07 05:59:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36295 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 12:59:20 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d42so422881pyd for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.96.11 with SMTP id y11mr316583pyl; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0604070558k21f74f44sc7ed4794c3232af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:58:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Speed in Action X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=AVAVrZVl6HZYLeOI0hRCbVhEJF8DA1O0JoAi0eh50F2MDR0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are some shots and a video of Speed in action at: http://www.ukrides.info/oakspeed.htm All indications seem to be that its an excellent ride. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Apr 07 06:22:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95126 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 13:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 13:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 13:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25527 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 13:21:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060407132157.25525.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:21:57 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Fwd: The latest from PKD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=A1oMQeffoM-ZxzGOtAyiret6oK3elMwJqS3SZwQm8xS-OH_a X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "Storey, Susan" wrote: > Subject: The latest from PKD > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:00:10 -0400 > From: "Storey, Susan" > > > Hello PKD fans and enthusiasts: > > > > With blue skies and bright sun, progress continues > on the Italian Job > Turbo Coaster. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 07 13:36:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21334 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 20:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 20:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 20:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 74004 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 20:36:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060407203607.74002.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.5.176] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:36:07 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0UUzoKxHopcMCSObNQmDhGdG9NkOGSkmqm93M7wnNWfBS7w6ijjS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the status of the sale of Paramount Parks. I've heard a rumor that Cedar Fair has expressed interest (mainly for King's Island) but I can't imagine CF raising that kind of capital. It would probably sink them. Six Flags certainly isn't in a position to buy them. What about Disney? Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Apr 07 13:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41029 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 20:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 20:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 20:58:23 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.218.15bbb534 (62952) for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <218.15bbb534.31682c63@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:58:11 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its none of the above. Although, just speculation, I would look for an outside group to purchase the park. Not an already established amusement park company, like a Six Flags, Disney or Cedar Fair. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 07 13:59:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89925 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 20:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2006 20:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 20:59:01 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m51so582603pye for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.11 with SMTP id w11mr1364089pym; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0604071359v12839378i4f6b857a16c34a3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:59:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060407203607.74002.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060407203607.74002.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=axzDPFsydw5M6Wy_Ueva2qPjN4DODvjzkZ0XLRDpzyXuLOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the bids seem to be property-oriented, so I think they will be broken up. Adam On 4/7/06, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Does anyone know the status of the sale of Paramount Parks. I've heard a > rumor that Cedar Fair has expressed interest (mainly for King's Island) but > I can't imagine CF raising that kind of capital. It would probably sink > them. Six Flags certainly isn't in a position to buy them. What about > Disney? > > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Apr 07 17:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57000 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 00:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37106.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.108) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18545 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 00:02:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408000204.18543.qmail@web37106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:02:04 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:02:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0604070558k21f74f44sc7ed4794c3232af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Speed in Action X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=wDfPWmZcxDynOKycYMNIGKaMVLPf3vDu-JPRVaqk1V4L81Ir-G8nIPnDkg X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those Euro-Fighters look like so much fun. I was looking at pictures of Bon= Bon Land's Euro-Fighter, and the first drop on those are incredible! Plus = the cars look so free, so loose... Reminds me of a Soquet coaster. I've hea= rd they are really rough though, but they look so smooth. Adam Sandy wrote: There are some shots and a video= of Speed in action at: http://www.ukrides.info/oakspeed.htm All indications seem to be that its an excellent ride. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 08 11:31:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45511 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 18:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 18:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 18:31:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 18535 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2006 18:31:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060408183104.18533.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.243.117] by web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:31:04 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1144506253.2781.12213.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Yh56zHqXPJD6hqvID2okdn22bjFM5iWMjARVcyjvl1ElNSHvwb3a X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Most of the bids seem to be property-oriented, so I think they will be broken up. < This would be incredibly sad, especially if a property-driven sale meant the parks would close in favor of residential or industrial development. PKI and PKD are some of the most beautiful parks ever built, with a few historic coasters (The Racer, The Beast). Who knows? It could be that breaking them up with single owners running each park could improve them and differentiate them more. But I'm concerned about the possibility of a non-amusement-related consortium taking over. Those are big properties, and not something for a novice park owner. If their intention is to just get the land and flip it, I guess that's a moot point. Jay --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Apr 08 15:52:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46319 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 22:52:19 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1092D9A8F for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:52:09 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060408183104.18533.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060408183104.18533.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:52:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=zphHJLavzNcwrJw_0XBvf98vFLFe2OjNHMS3WvoJLnnf78Pc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Ok .. I haven't been following this news at all, so keep that in mind when reading my comments! :) >> Most of the bids seem to be property-oriented, so I think they >> will be broken up. > > This would be incredibly sad, especially if a property-driven sale > meant the parks would close in favor of residential or industrial > development. PKI and PKD are some of the most beautiful parks ever > built, with a few historic coasters (The Racer, The Beast). Personally I'd be surprised if PKI and PKD were closed down, they both seem to be doing pretty well. (Oh yeah, I haven't been to PKI or PKD ether! .. :) ) Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 08 20:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3275 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 03:54:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 03:54:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 03:54:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 03:54:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:54:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.201.156 From: "Chris" Subject: Photos: 4D at Fuji-Q construction update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=7AVSRfuz0X_HtBgcQKqVtfwUZCYftGCy-T6E7TVZvIDG2thoJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hey, all! I posted a ton of new photos at TPR. You don't need to be a member to view them. Here's the link: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D300 Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Apr 09 06:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57646 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 13:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 13:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 13:22:48 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FSZsM-0001Gi-B1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:22:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44390AAA.1040005@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:22:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060408183104.18533.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47848d7ba2f7fbb867535f77c583f52eed2192621978ebc22f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Paramount sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gQ6aZ97A_X0jGBQHPWPYJUE3XLxLs9tP_OZw_ODyEMgCTtg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > >> Most of the bids seem to be property-oriented, so I think they > >> will be broken up. > > > > This would be incredibly sad, especially if a property-driven sale > > meant the parks would close in favor of residential or industrial > > development. PKI and PKD are some of the most beautiful parks ever > > built, with a few historic coasters (The Racer, The Beast). > There's a rumor going over on URC about Busch being interested in purchasing the parks, but I have no idea if there's anything at all behind it. It would be nice, but I'm not sure that Busch would be interested in the parks, let alone wanting to buy them. It would certainly be interesting if that were to happen. I'm hoping they stay a chain for at least another year though, so I can make plans to visit PKD and Carowinds next year. Wanted to do it this year, but it's not going to work out. I certainly don't want to see anymore parks disappear. We've lost more than enough the last couple of years. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Apr 09 06:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40822 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 13:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 13:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 13:34:04 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FSa2t-0008MT-QK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: <44390D38.4090309@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:33:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47848d7ba2f7fbb86752da33a642141311b172621211c4622c6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos: 4D at Fuji-Q construction update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=VoYqEUYYz_vAFEN6yKVUkgy6Hht-m_7ZJ2d6kDjmomXNnwI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > Hey, all! I posted a ton of new photos at TPR. You don't need to be a > member to view them. Here's the link: > > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21000&start=300 > > Nice pics Chris. I do want to make one correction, which I'm sure others will do also if they haven't already on TPR's forums (didn't read the replies). While there are definite similarities between this and X's layout, they are certainly not clones. X's layout is: lift first drop (vertical) raven turn - and from there it gets different backflip (track looks like a small airtime hill, no twisting) turn to right half and half smaller raven turn (which is right next to the first raven turn) half and half brake run Similar, yes. But looking at them, there are some obvious differences (e.g. the new one's second raven turn being in a very different place) Thanks for sharing though! It's looking very impressive. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Apr 09 09:26:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57985 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 16:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 16:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-03.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.13) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18892 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2006 16:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:26:03 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FScjj-0004Wj-Ok for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:26:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <44390D38.4090309@earthlink.net> References: <44390D38.4090309@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E00EE3B-0E0B-40E6-A2DD-FD5C5AB51F07@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:30:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos: 4D at Fuji-Q construction update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=0nYgnjvl_h7lpCytOIHEZt9mYCvKxtyHY1O4AehIQw2rl1vG6QXJ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Chris wrote: >> Hey, all! I posted a ton of new photos at TPR. You don't need to be a >> member to view them. Here's the link: >> >> http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21000&start=300 >> > t=21000&start=300> >> > > Nice pics Chris. > > I do want to make one correction, which I'm sure others will do > also if > they haven't already on TPR's forums (didn't read the replies). While > there are definite similarities between this and X's layout, they are > certainly not clones. What surprises me is how many supports they're using, and the complexity of the support structure in general. Judging by that, I doubt the weight of the trains is going to be much different than on X... I wonder how much of a problem that would be? Or if they figured out a way to make the train's 4th dimension rotational mechanisms a little better. I can't really remember exactly what X's problems were, but I think I remember it being somewhere along those lines. Nice pics though... the one looking up at the roll from under is pretty sweet. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 09 09:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76297 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.64) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 99783 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 16:42:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060409164245.99781.qmail@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.11.92] by web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:42:45 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:42:45 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Photos: 4D at Fuji-Q construction update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=4kNLCLV2ERTtHr36Ig92UJw64TMXcPgZjDIlYgvPTFGabxx5a8in X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great photos, Chris! I've never seen so much steel on a coaster. Those supports are gargantuan. It must be costing the park a small fortune. What is it with Arrow and tubular steel? Their technology never seems to change. It's as if over the past 50 years, they're determined to prove that tubes are the way to go (not for the rails, but for the spine). And they also love making their ledgers out of welded square tubes. As with X, at least there are two spine tubes to enable a more precise alignment of the track. And the company certainly aren't skimping on supports. But I would thing that welded tubes would leave much more room for error (compared with the stamped steel plate ledgers and box-beam construction of a B&M). It'll be interesting to see if the trains have had much of a redesign. It looks at this point as if they'll be just as heavy as X's. Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sun Apr 09 14:03:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29334 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 21:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2006 21:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 21:02:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 21:02:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 21:02:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2006 21:02:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:02:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.200.88.203 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR: Big holiday report part 5 - last part X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=VNalQax5IoZEyvfGdlXfIQYQx5CCrIJWOgwwfIdLZCkki-ye5pMxmQM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Tue 28th - bits n bobs Started off with some repeats at MGM studios - went to lights motors action to get a fastpass, only to be told none available today, so went back to repeat tower of terror and rock n roller coaster, left the park at about 2, and hopped to animal kingdom to watch tough to be a bug again, leaving just before the parade was a nightmare! Moved onto the boardwalk, and had planned to go back to the hotel afterwards, was a bit disappointed. with was smaller than expected - I was done in an hour, including a snack in the ESPN cafe (which was rather out of place there), went on to go to the hotel, and found myself at the entrance to magic kingdom at about 7pm, so decided to do some repeats there before going back, started queuing for space mountain at half 8, posted wait time was 30 minutes - finally entered the door at about 9 and checked the wait time from there - was told 40 minutes, so asked if there'd been a problem - No - but there must have been an influx of people since a previous update! grrrrrr! left the park as I needed to be back for the bus, and I ended up leaving just before the parade again - ctrazy!! ----------------- Wed 29th - bits n bobs again Started off at MK - did space mountain again, then moved onto epcot for a repeat on test track, and did the innoventions areas, which were crap. Then moved downtown - was surprised there wasn't a disney bus direct from epcot, so had to go via one of the hotels. had lunch at the rainforest cafe - nice, but not quite as nice as bennigans and Looked around the shops (no wonder they can afford all the fireworks). Had a quick look round disneyquest before going to the cirque du soleil show, which was excelent, back to disneyquest - virtual space mountain was pretty cool, and the cheeseburger was the best I've ever tasted! Again the freeplay machines tended to have knackered joysticks! ----------------- Thu 30th - last day - epcot Went straight to test track, got a fastpass, and went into the single rider line - virtually straight on, except - there was a problem with it and they had to close down - we all got re entry passes - so I went on to mission space again, and then ellens energy adventure, which was too long, and the living seas was smaller than I expected - I didn't want to spend too much for lunch and dinner, so I decided to go back to the disney quest burger place, even though it meant a 2 hour round trip aftewr finishing off the world showcase, The show at china was better than the canada and france ones, and the singers before the american adventure show were excelent - the show itself was rather boring though, and I found it hard to stay awake. Had a closerview of the fireworks, they allowed us right down to the front fence, but we had to sit down for this - got an excelent view of the globe this time, but I think the fireworks may have been better from a little further away! ----------------- Fri 31st - flight back... booo Mon 3rd - work... yukyuk! From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Apr 10 15:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87181 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2006 22:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2006 22:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.201) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 22:23:44 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so755759wxc for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.22.15 with SMTP id 15mr1594108wxv; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:23:42 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disney raises park prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=KW3ge9-9rzQfiPxsmwHaX11ijM6AFCeP8k9KJQLPAYtYs-TgmM_W1QM X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/24/06, Alan wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Snooks > wrote: > > > Look at the relationship between Disney & Hayao Miyazaki (isn't > Totoro > > > cute!). > > Only problem is it wouldn't work terribly well in the US or France, > > because the property is virtually unknown, aside from maybe Spirited > > Away. I don't know about China either, since the only Asian region > > Disney has the distribution rights for is Japan (not sure why). > > However, it'd be a huge hit in Japan. Disney would just have to do > > some more negotiation with Studio Ghibli, but I'm sure it could > > happen. > > Then, I think Tokyo Disney should look at something like that. That > would give them ANOTHER THING differnt from the other Parks. > > >SNIP> > > And I still think Condor Flats could've used a Rocketeer attraction > >SNIP< > > I know I haven't gotten to Andy's responce on this yet, but... > I believe Soarin' uses the Rocketeer music in the queue. > And I agree with you. > > > SNIP> -- > > Ryan (I'll tell you more about my project later) Snooks > > You big tease! > -Alan Alright, it's been a bit longer than I'd planned, and it's not quite as exciting as I was making it out to be, but here's what I was being so sneaky about a few months ago. I normally try and keep my RollerCoaster Tycoon activities separate from this list, since it's usually not particularly relevant, but I'll make an exception here. Basically, the RollerCoaster Tycoon oriented site, www.nedesigns.com, was having a competition to make the best theme park in a span of a few months, and after getting a spot in the list of possible participants by winning with a preliminary entry, I entered the competition. Only 14 people of 60 something possible entrants actually got something in, and my park, DisneyAir, meant as a third park at the Tokyo Disney resort, placed third in the judging. Anyways, how it's relevant to this old thread is that I included a Studio Ghibli film themed area, which is mostly based on Castle in the Sky. It wasn't nearly as developed as it should've been, but I still thought it was interesting that it was brought up on here at around the same time I was working on it, but I couldn't say much since we weren't supposed to say what we were working on. Also, in the park's Condor Flats area, I made a coaster based on the Rocketeer. I had also planned on using "The Rescuers," one of the other unexploited Disney properties that was mentioned here, but I didn't have time to finish the last couple of sections I'd planned for the park. *The park's page is here (only small pictures): http://www.nedesigns.com/?ne=tour2&e=3 *You can download and run it (see it's page) if you have RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, but you'll need to open this park first: http://www.nedesigns.com/?ne=tour2&e=15 *The discussion page for it is here (with pictures on the bottom of page 2 and the top of page 3): http://forums.nedesigns.com/index.php?showtopic=14007 *A second review of it (with more pictures) by the guy in charge of the site is here, near the bottom of the page: http://forums.nedesigns.com/index.php?showtopic=14097&view=findpost&p=306181 Anyways, sorry for the sort of off topic-ness, and digging up an old topic, but I felt like sharing, especially after I'd said I would back in January. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jade52903@yahoo.com Mon Apr 10 16:21:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64459 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2006 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2006 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2006 23:21:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:21:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.64.27.204 From: "jade52903" Subject: News: New ride named at KW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=mxN2Q4W1sgRUJ5TJwegCxflz6nlJzkpnMg4wHXv9Dyr6odQG X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 The new ride has been named at Kennywood. The new ride will be=20 opened this year, and opening day is May 6th. I can't wait to see=20 what this new ride is going to be like!!=20=20 coming in 2006: thrills, more thrills, and great new fun for the kids! THRILLS ON THE SwingShot! It's not your grandfather's swing!=20 Imagine your favorite, high-speed coaster. What do you like best?=20 Most people go for the fast descent into a wild dip followed=20 immediately by `air time' as you crest the next hill. Imagine a ride with that thrilling sensation of weightlessness=20 immediately followed by another... then another... and another...=20 over and over again, in very rapid cycles? Yeah, baby! Everyone knows a coaster descent is only as good as gravity makes it,=20 so this is where our imaginary ride gets even better. Imagine being=20 actually powered down, i.e. driven, into the dip! Imagine that you=20 are then powered back up to the next heart-pounding crest with=20 dragster-like acceleration! Now that's what we're talking about! A real thrill ride! One that=20 isn't a coaster, but thrills like one! And it is comes into existence=20 as Kennywood's new ride: SwingShot. From the moment you board, you'll know this is not your ordinary back=20 yard swing. This is a thrill ride, a powerful blink of an eye' type=20 dare, a white-knuckle ride. Be advised that timid, shy, quiet un- assuming folks may just be transformed into thrill ride junkies.=20 SwingShot: Let's Ride! From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 10 17:31:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11371 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 00:30:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2329A91 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A021D02-C1FB-4DEB-AC0A-75CB63B6F29A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:30:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: New ride named at KW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=AbI8Dw8WwzEcskixWrWz22lRxCpGivtzYV4G7OrpCaphhfto X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon But more important than the new ride: Is the Bayern Kurve back?!! Cameron. On Apr 10, 2006, at 18:21, jade52903 wrote: > The new ride has been named at Kennywood. The new ride will be > opened this year, and opening day is May 6th. I can't wait to see > what this new ride is going to be like!! > > coming in 2006: thrills, more thrills, and great new fun for the kids! > > THRILLS ON THE SwingShot! It's not your grandfather's swing! > > Imagine your favorite, high-speed coaster. What do you like best? > Most people go for the fast descent into a wild dip followed > immediately by `air time' as you crest the next hill. > > Imagine a ride with that thrilling sensation of weightlessness > immediately followed by another... then another... and another... > over and over again, in very rapid cycles? Yeah, baby! > > Everyone knows a coaster descent is only as good as gravity makes it, > so this is where our imaginary ride gets even better. Imagine being > actually powered down, i.e. driven, into the dip! Imagine that you > are then powered back up to the next heart-pounding crest with > dragster-like acceleration! > > Now that's what we're talking about! A real thrill ride! One that > isn't a coaster, but thrills like one! And it is comes into existence > as Kennywood's new ride: SwingShot. > > From the moment you board, you'll know this is not your ordinary back > yard swing. This is a thrill ride, a powerful blink of an eye' type > dare, a white-knuckle ride. Be advised that timid, shy, quiet un- > assuming folks may just be transformed into thrill ride junkies. > SwingShot: Let's Ride! > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Apr 10 18:34:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74800 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 01:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 01:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 01:34:02 -0000 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n25so1249791pyg for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr495070pym; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.79.11 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0604101834g3704816cn16d1e022f83e5df8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:34:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2A021D02-C1FB-4DEB-AC0A-75CB63B6F29A@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2A021D02-C1FB-4DEB-AC0A-75CB63B6F29A@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: New ride named at KW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=zS0N8oCiIna8rYcUXMApSdFriCidksyrsVbOGfYTl3G6i-E X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, but it should be in a season or two. Adam On 4/10/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > But more important than the new ride: Is the Bayern Kurve back?!! > > Cameron. > > On Apr 10, 2006, at 18:21, jade52903 wrote: > > > The new ride has been named at Kennywood. The new ride will be > > opened this year, and opening day is May 6th. I can't wait to see > > what this new ride is going to be like!! > > > > coming in 2006: thrills, more thrills, and great new fun for the kids! > > > > THRILLS ON THE SwingShot! It's not your grandfather's swing! > > > > Imagine your favorite, high-speed coaster. What do you like best? > > Most people go for the fast descent into a wild dip followed > > immediately by `air time' as you crest the next hill. > > > > Imagine a ride with that thrilling sensation of weightlessness > > immediately followed by another... then another... and another... > > over and over again, in very rapid cycles? Yeah, baby! > > > > Everyone knows a coaster descent is only as good as gravity makes it, > > so this is where our imaginary ride gets even better. Imagine being > > actually powered down, i.e. driven, into the dip! Imagine that you > > are then powered back up to the next heart-pounding crest with > > dragster-like acceleration! > > > > Now that's what we're talking about! A real thrill ride! One that > > isn't a coaster, but thrills like one! And it is comes into existence > > as Kennywood's new ride: SwingShot. > > > > From the moment you board, you'll know this is not your ordinary back > > yard swing. This is a thrill ride, a powerful blink of an eye' type > > dare, a white-knuckle ride. Be advised that timid, shy, quiet un- > > assuming folks may just be transformed into thrill ride junkies. > > SwingShot: Let's Ride! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 09:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77096 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 16:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 16:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.94) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 16:08:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 34313 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 16:08:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060411160833.34311.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:08:33 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1144766905.327.54160.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=H5BkEkWudike6LWji3oLwwO_xp7YesUkhPlt-xd7beo2dhzTw_2y X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck I know it's a little off topic, but has anyone here gotten married in Vegas recently? J and I have just started planning for our wedding, and have been doing some research, but it's hard to tell just on the web. We may fly out at the end of the month to look around, but just curious if anyone else has any recommendations. You can email me off list, or just do it on list, it's been slow enough recently. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. P.S. I'd really like to get married on the Manhattan Express rollercoaster... Okay, so I made that last part up, just trying to stay on topic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MrStratosphere@aol.com Tue Apr 11 10:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5500 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 17:36:21 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.331.24553dd (4468) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <331.24553dd.316d41c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:30:45 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=V5cRblvS8b3NIRfMVUE99yzosJbDZQqA1LcKxMB4js0oJABNZyoS X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well actually they do Weddings on the Strats Rides, say i do when the Big Shot Launches, it is kinda cool. Also are 3 wedding chapels on the 103rd floor. Many places to chose from in Las Vegas. Anyways I just got back from Six Flags Magic Mountain will be posting a lengthy trip report soon John In a message dated 4/11/2006 9:10:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, tommytheduck@yahoo.com writes: I know it's a little off topic, but has anyone here gotten married in Vegas recently? J and I have just started planning for our wedding, and have been doing some research, but it's hard to tell just on the web. We may fly out at the end of the month to look around, but just curious if anyone else has any recommendations. You can email me off list, or just do it on list, it's been slow enough recently. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. P.S. I'd really like to get married on the Manhattan Express rollercoaster... Okay, so I made that last part up, just trying to stay on topic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 12:17:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35378 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 19:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 19:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 19:17:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 19:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 19:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 19:17:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:17:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Big holiday report part 4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ObQSQ9JMvYuGJsvXqHcH7afWETZeTvUpP-Xdge0lAuO29iA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'm a litle behind, so I'm catching up. And Daniel - TAG - you're it! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > Sat 25th - epcot >=20 > Soarin sucked,=20 WOW! That's a first. Most people REALLY like it. > looked around the canada, uk and france areas before dinner Coming from you, there's something funny about this... ;p > Looked around morocco, mexico and norway before the fireworks -=20 liked > the mexican area a lot, Okay, what universe are you from? > and the fireworks were excelent, had a good > view of the fireworks, but decided to get a better view of the > spinning globe for the second day there. >=20 > I'm impressed by the way at both epcot and MK they run the fireworks > without closing off any of the park - I went to alton towers for=20 their > fireworks night a few years ago, and they shut the queue for=20 oblivion > about 3 hours before the display! Now at Disneyland, Toon Town is closed an hour before the Fireworks=20 shows. But then, space is at a perimium. > and lunch in > taco bell (never tried them before - dunno why they don't open up in > the uk) Weird, I would have thought they would have been there by now too? Thanks for the TR. -Alan From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 13:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19962 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 20:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 20:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 20:25:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 20:25:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 20:25:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:25:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <331.24553dd.316d41c5@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=IWrkhdDwSwQKx7rOiGnMvhvVdlRxszI_EK7r8ZeZPf08yQBukw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg I'd recomend getting married on Speed: The Ride ; for it would be THE most = comfortable=20 way to say *I DO* in SinCity. while Brian and J are planning their wedding ; Erin and myself are in the s= ame boat. We recently got engaged on St. Patricks Day ; the day before we left for ou= r Disney=20 Adventure. I wanted to get married in Vegas as well, but we'll more than likely do a c= heap "laid back"=20 kinda wedding. No tuxes (i've been in too many darn weddings and know how m= uch the=20 groomsman HATE tuxes) , no big dresses , just plain and simple. I want my f= riends/family=20 there more than i want 200 flowers that are just going to die. anyways, Insanity would be my choice of *I DO* rides on the strat ; me and = erin loved it=20 last time and rode it atleast 10 times in a row! what can i say, the strat = rides were slower=20 than this list..... --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MrStratosphere@... wrote: > > Well actually they do Weddings on the Strats Rides, say i do when the Big= =20 > Shot Launches, it is kinda cool. Also are 3 wedding chapels on the 103rd = floor.=20 > Many places to chose from in Las Vegas. >=20 > Anyways I just got back from Six Flags Magic Mountain will be posting a=20 > lengthy trip report soon >=20 > John >=20 > In a message dated 4/11/2006 9:10:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,=20 > tommytheduck@... writes: > I know it's a little off topic, but has anyone here > gotten married in Vegas recently? J and I have just > started planning for our wedding, and have been doing > some research, but it's hard to tell just on the web.=20 > We may fly out at the end of the month to look around, > but just curious if anyone else has any > recommendations. You can email me off list, or just > do it on list, it's been slow enough recently. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. >=20 > P.S. I'd really like to get married on the Manhattan > Express rollercoaster... Okay, so I made that last > part up, just trying to stay on topic. >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 14:16:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54358 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37111.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 21:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25790 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 21:16:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060411211637.25788.qmail@web37111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:16:37 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0604101834g3704816cn16d1e022f83e5df8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: New ride named at KW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=5Dj20opwdHlUlMilFjI-a55gOulHmFc2FQQY9uf4HWOPF82StXf_k2n9uw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REALLY? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =20=20=20 Sorry about that. Adam Sandy wrote: No, but it should be in a season or two. Adam On 4/10/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > But more important than the new ride: Is the Bayern Kurve back?!! > > Cameron. > > On Apr 10, 2006, at 18:21, jade52903 wrote: > > > The new ride has been named at Kennywood. The new ride will be > > opened this year, and opening day is May 6th. I can't wait to see > > what this new ride is going to be like!! > > > > coming in 2006: thrills, more thrills, and great new fun for the kids! > > > > THRILLS ON THE SwingShot! It's not your grandfather's swing! > > > > Imagine your favorite, high-speed coaster. What do you like best? > > Most people go for the fast descent into a wild dip followed > > immediately by `air time' as you crest the next hill. > > > > Imagine a ride with that thrilling sensation of weightlessness > > immediately followed by another... then another... and another... > > over and over again, in very rapid cycles? Yeah, baby! > > > > Everyone knows a coaster descent is only as good as gravity makes it, > > so this is where our imaginary ride gets even better. Imagine being > > actually powered down, i.e. driven, into the dip! Imagine that you > > are then powered back up to the next heart-pounding crest with > > dragster-like acceleration! > > > > Now that's what we're talking about! A real thrill ride! One that > > isn't a coaster, but thrills like one! And it is comes into existence > > as Kennywood's new ride: SwingShot. > > > > From the moment you board, you'll know this is not your ordinary back > > yard swing. This is a thrill ride, a powerful blink of an eye' type > > dare, a white-knuckle ride. Be advised that timid, shy, quiet un- > > assuming folks may just be transformed into thrill ride junkies. > > SwingShot: Let's Ride! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1=A2/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! M= essenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 15:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44481 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 22:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 22:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 22:21:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 22:21:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2006 22:21:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:21:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060411160833.34311.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-lAERrL4XEUnPsAXLi2vBHFedehILtbvtS31x9nbpmIa1btIajKV X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I knew two couples (actually, I think one of the couples wasn't even=20 really dating or anything) in college who were in Las Vegas for a=20 weekend and decided to get married on a lark with the intention that=20 they'd get a quickie annulment or divorce before they left. Well, they=20 quickly discovered that even though the divorce laws may be liberal in=20 Nevada, there was a lot more involved in that then there was in=20 getting married in the first place. So they came back home legally=20 married. The one couple who had just been dating decided to stick with=20 it, and as of at least a few years later, were still happily married,=20 as far as I could tell. The other couple never lived together and=20 shortly thereafter were even living in different states. I never=20 learned what eventually happened with them, but I imagine if that at=20 some point it wouldn't be too difficult, relatively speaking, to get=20 an annulment. For a while it had something of the status of a trivia=20 tidbit or conversation starter: "Hey, did you know that Noelle is=20 married?" "Wha...?" Adam From jade52903@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 16:55:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25528 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2006 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51503.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 23:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 53924 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 23:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20060411235556.53922.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.64.27.204] by web51503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:55:56 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060411211637.25788.qmail@web37111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alyssa Molnar Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: New ride named at KW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=gmLZ86jylqekxvbw0rEV4sq-D5QA6m7_I8UYolTQ693FJZRY X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope that it is as good as what they are advertising.... =20=20=20 Jade "Brooke G." wrote: REALLY? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =20=20=20 Sorry about that. Adam Sandy wrote: No, but it should be in a season or two. Adam On 4/10/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > But more important than the new ride: Is the Bayern Kurve back?!! > > Cameron. > > On Apr 10, 2006, at 18:21, jade52903 wrote: > > > The new ride has been named at Kennywood. The new ride will be > > opened this year, and opening day is May 6th. I can't wait to see > > what this new ride is going to be like!! > > > > coming in 2006: thrills, more thrills, and great new fun for the kids! > > > > THRILLS ON THE SwingShot! It's not your grandfather's swing! > > > > Imagine your favorite, high-speed coaster. What do you like best? > > Most people go for the fast descent into a wild dip followed > > immediately by `air time' as you crest the next hill. > > > > Imagine a ride with that thrilling sensation of weightlessness > > immediately followed by another... then another... and another... > > over and over again, in very rapid cycles? Yeah, baby! > > > > Everyone knows a coaster descent is only as good as gravity makes it, > > so this is where our imaginary ride gets even better. Imagine being > > actually powered down, i.e. driven, into the dip! Imagine that you > > are then powered back up to the next heart-pounding crest with > > dragster-like acceleration! > > > > Now that's what we're talking about! A real thrill ride! One that > > isn't a coaster, but thrills like one! And it is comes into existence > > as Kennywood's new ride: SwingShot. > > > > From the moment you board, you'll know this is not your ordinary back > > yard swing. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Apr 11 17:31:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35423 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 00:31:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 00:31:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 00:31:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:31:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=9kz2FJScH6TtimkU1NS-j2GkW2KrQJyMFZyZ-36uabV7tpo0ETowT6By5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 hey all, havent posted in a looooong time. just moved to the tampa area, and was wondering if anyone knows if=20 they are still doing the Funcard program? is that the one that you pay=20 once and you can go all year? also, when are the best times to go: best days, best hours, best times=20 of year? From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Apr 11 17:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59126 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 00:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 00:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FTTPf-0006CJ-0S for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <443C4C91.9020007@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:40:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47848d7ba2f7fbb86758240c0030842cf7ae38481dce1e3e846350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=OnWCkXmEygwrAcVzAiwLcgzDDjjPMHIoz6mTv0EAlhw84HA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > hey all, > > havent posted in a looooong time. > > just moved to the tampa area, You just moved here and you haven't contacted me yet??? Shame on you Doug! :P Better do it soon though, as we're moving out towards Orlando at the end of May or early June. hehe and was wondering if anyone knows if > they are still doing the Funcard program? is that the one that you pay > once and you can go all year? Yep, they're still doing it. Basically you pay the full price of a one day admission and it's good until the end of December. Not sure what the cutoff day is. However, keep in mind it's only good at BGT. If you want to go to Adventure Island or Sea World, those are other passes. It also does not include parking or any other discounts. The silver/ gold/ platinum passes are a far better deal, even though they cost a bit more. You can pay those on a monthly plan and lock in the price you pay pretty much forever, and they will include free parking, 10% discounts in the park and on other admissions, and you can get them so they work at other parks. For about $11/ month each we get the platinums which get us into any of the Busch parks (great for those occaisional trips up to VA or CA), parking right at the front gate for free, reserved seats at teh shows, rerides on the coasters without having to wait again, bigger discounts, and several other little perks that come up here and there. More than worth the money for us. > > also, when are the best times to go: best days, best hours, best times > of year? Weekdays, espcecially now. Don't go on Saturdays until end of August or you'll be hating life. Early morning and the evening are my favorites. But if you've got hte passes and you're local, it's also a great park to stop in for just an hour or two, catch a snack and a ride or two, or just relax. If you're really wanting more details, let me know and I'll be happy to help you out. IN fact, I just got home from spending a couple of hours with Jon Zerkel and his lovely wife. Got to have dinner and a few rides with him and had a great time. You'll really like getting to know the park. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Apr 11 18:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29886 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 01:37:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:37:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <443C4C91.9020007@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=In-ZE2a8zHS-pKuMGsQiCg1gXGpWxYFoG6g9JPDcAWBNPk84mWfS9i2tmg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Doug Nelson wrote: > > hey all, > >=20 > > havent posted in a looooong time. > >=20 > > just moved to the tampa area,=20 >=20 > You just moved here and you haven't contacted me yet??? Shame on=20 you=20 > Doug! :P Better do it soon though, as we're moving out towards=20 Orlando=20 > at the end of May or early June. hehe=20 uhmmm...doh? :) damn, you are moving again?! crud. oh well, at least=20 we will have folks to go to IOA with now when we go! =20 > For about $11/ month each we get the platinums which get us into=20 any of=20 > the Busch parks (great for those occaisional trips up to VA or=20 CA),=20 > parking right at the front gate for free, reserved seats at teh=20 shows,=20 > rerides on the coasters without having to wait again, bigger=20 discounts,=20 > and several other little perks that come up here and there. More=20 than=20 > worth the money for us. wow, i will have to look into that. if i can make monthly payments=20 for it, its definitely worth for us looking into.=20 > If you're really wanting more details, let me know and I'll be=20 happy to=20 > help you out. >=20 > IN fact, I just got home from spending a couple of hours with Jon=20 Zerkel=20 > and his lovely wife. Got to have dinner and a few rides with him=20 and=20 > had a great time. You'll really like getting to know the park. yeah im looking forward to it. in boston we got sick of SFNE real=20 fast. only so much concrete you can look at. then of course there is=20 canobie, but given its only open about 4 months a year, its rather=20 limiting. it will be nice to have a park like BGT in my backyard (well, we are in st. pete), which i already know my way around, but=20 im sure ill see stuff i missed on prior visits.=20 thanks for the info, fellow floridian! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 22:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7521 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 05:24:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 05:24:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 05:24:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:24:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060411160833.34311.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.11.59 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KvrI55WFZVFreX2G7lB7Je60hb84cHl6X0X0Md6AOdDZM3FHow X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral wrote: > > I know it's a little off topic, but has anyone here > gotten married in Vegas recently? J and I have just > started planning for our wedding, and have been doing > some research, but it's hard to tell just on the web.=20 > We may fly out at the end of the month to look around, > but just curious if anyone else has any > recommendations. You can email me off list, or just > do it on list, it's been slow enough recently. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. I married (the first time) in Vegas. It is so easy, it isn't even funny. There are two steps. First, go to city hall and get the marriage licence. (I don't remember for sure, but it was like twenty bucks in '97.) Then go to the wedding chapel of your choice, and in about 20 or 30 minutes you're done. I got married for less than $100, and I had to pay for a witness.=20 The divorce, 6 years and 8 days later, wasn't anywhere near as easy. Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 03:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63144 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 10:41:58 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FTcmt-0002Ky-Qo for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: <443CD955.3050205@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:41:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47848d7ba2f7fbb8675fb6b669819e9b1346e693137fe50de32350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=pBbb_YAKWYSQdTjW6QtaTnJaMVkfzY3FhyqZDUUQaMOHRzw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > uhmmm...doh? :) damn, you are moving again?! crud. oh well, at least > we will have folks to go to IOA with now when we go! > > Yeah, we'll actually be about 10 minutes west of Disney, so the Orlando parks will be about 20 minutes. It'll be about the same distance to Cypress Gardens. But I'm sure we'll still be dropping into Tampa at least every other month or so just to drop into BGT. > > > For about $11/ month each we get the platinums which get us into > any of > > the Busch parks (great for those occaisional trips up to VA or > CA), > > parking right at the front gate for free, reserved seats at teh > shows, > > rerides on the coasters without having to wait again, bigger > discounts, > > and several other little perks that come up here and there. More > than > > worth the money for us. > > wow, i will have to look into that. if i can make monthly payments > for it, its definitely worth for us looking into. That's one of the nice things- paying monthly certainly makes it easier on the overall budget. And locking in the price is a nice little side benefit. If you go just a half dozen times a year to either park, then the money saved on parking alone will make up the price difference on the Platinum. > yeah im looking forward to it. in boston we got sick of SFNE real > fast. only so much concrete you can look at. then of course there is > canobie, but given its only open about 4 months a year, its rather > limiting. it will be nice to have a park like BGT in my backyard > (well, we are in st. pete), which i already know my way around, but > im sure ill see stuff i missed on prior visits. The nice thing with BGT, if you're into it at all, is the animals. They always make each trip unique and different. We'll have trips where we just go and watch some of them for a while and do nothing else- and doing that it's almost like visiting a totally different park each time. It certainly makes me feel spoiled compared to what I used to have near me. > > thanks for the info, fellow floridian! > Anytime! :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 05:34:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89507 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 12:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 12:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 12:27:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 12:25:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 12:25:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:25:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.168.114.7 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=8XcFhYpxXoczc-XpGi2gg45pqJmUEP73zbYBZP4vszQFSs4r X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Good luck both Doug and George on your upcoming moves. I'll be=20 moving to Irvine CA in July.=20 I've been about 45 minutes from SFNE for ages. Had season passes for=20 a few years but when I got sick (cancer) I stopped getting them and=20 haven't gone back actually- it did get old so I don't bother. I went=20 to Canobie once- kids loved it but there wasn't much to do. I certainly look forward to have some different parks around when I=20 move out West. We've been making yearly and bi-yearly trips to=20 Orlando for over a decade now and I never get tired of those parks=20 from WDW to IOA to BGT! ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > wrote: > > > > Doug Nelson wrote: > > > hey all, > > >=20 > > > havent posted in a looooong time. > > >=20 > > > just moved to the tampa area,=20 > >=20 > > You just moved here and you haven't contacted me yet??? Shame=20 on=20 > you=20 > > Doug! :P Better do it soon though, as we're moving out towards=20 > Orlando=20 > > at the end of May or early June. hehe=20 >=20 > uhmmm...doh? :) damn, you are moving again?! crud. oh well, at=20 least=20 > we will have folks to go to IOA with now when we go! >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > > For about $11/ month each we get the platinums which get us into=20 > any of=20 > > the Busch parks (great for those occaisional trips up to VA or=20 > CA),=20 > > parking right at the front gate for free, reserved seats at teh=20 > shows,=20 > > rerides on the coasters without having to wait again, bigger=20 > discounts,=20 > > and several other little perks that come up here and there.=20=20 More=20 > than=20 > > worth the money for us. >=20 > wow, i will have to look into that. if i can make monthly payments=20 > for it, its definitely worth for us looking into.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > If you're really wanting more details, let me know and I'll be=20 > happy to=20 > > help you out. > >=20 > > IN fact, I just got home from spending a couple of hours with=20 Jon=20 > Zerkel=20 > > and his lovely wife. Got to have dinner and a few rides with=20 him=20 > and=20 > > had a great time. You'll really like getting to know the park. >=20 > yeah im looking forward to it. in boston we got sick of SFNE real=20 > fast. only so much concrete you can look at. then of course there=20 is=20 > canobie, but given its only open about 4 months a year, its rather=20 > limiting. it will be nice to have a park like BGT in my backyard > (well, we are in st. pete), which i already know my way around,=20 but=20 > im sure ill see stuff i missed on prior visits.=20 >=20 > thanks for the info, fellow floridian! > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Apr 12 05:57:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70801 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 12:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 12:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 12:55:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 12:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 12:55:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=hpsPOoK2Ssh4bUsNkFIYtK_fRCIIMnexQ7y78rIMOuUoo80ATp8gP34hJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo"=20 wrote: > > Good luck both Doug and George on your upcoming moves. I'll be=20 > moving to Irvine CA in July.=20 actually we just moved in, but thanks. good luck on your move too=20 kristy! >=20 > I've been about 45 minutes from SFNE for ages. Had season passes=20 for=20 > a few years but when I got sick (cancer) I stopped getting them=20 and=20 > haven't gone back actually- it did get old so I don't bother. the first year we lived in boston we got season passes, thinking it=20 would be worth going back lots of times. boy were we wrong. if we=20 lived closer it might have been worth it, but given that we only=20 really ride coasters its didnt really do us much good back then. im=20 sorry, its just an ugly park. just my opinion of course.=20 > I went=20 > to Canobie once- kids loved it but there wasn't much to do. when you got kids, it is a great park i agree. i dunno, for me the=20 lack of things for adults to do is offset by the fact thats its just=20 a nice looking park, especially at night. i could just walk around=20 and watch the rides and be happy, something you cant really do at=20 SFNE. its got that nice old fashioned feel to it, and the best part=20 is its not overrun with the "xtreme" attitude of the SF chain. very=20 little corporate advertising too, whereas SFNE seems to feel the=20 need to bludgeon you over the head with its WB merchandising.=20 =20 > I certainly look forward to have some different parks around when=20 I=20 > move out West. wow, thats a big move! We've been making yearly and bi-yearly trips to=20 > Orlando for over a decade now and I never get tired of those parks=20 > from WDW to IOA to BGT! true that. let us know when you are here again, maybe we can all get=20 together and go.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 12 08:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37315 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 15:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 15:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 15:18:45 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so1257599wra for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.206.4 with SMTP id i4mr6128714qbq; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:18:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KinmiLQnI8pH5Kq8VAsrdFuRt21C8ZD69NLicy4ikzD4cZTO3igOYAo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > the first year we lived in boston we got season passes, thinking it > would be worth going back lots of times. boy were we wrong. if we > lived closer it might have been worth it, but given that we only > really ride coasters its didnt really do us much good back then. im > sorry, its just an ugly park. just my opinion of course. Wow...I can't agree with that at all. I think SFNE is one of the nicest looking Six Flags parks there is, and certainly one of the best themed. I'm really having a hard time remembering any area of the park I would call "ugly." For me, the problems with SFNE were always in other areas (pricing, food, and most of all operations). The rides are top-notch and (IMO, of course) the park is really nice looking. But it's hard to appreciate that when you're waiting in an hour-long line because of single-train operation. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 09:25:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46822 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:25:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:23:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:23:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:23:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water park plans sail through final approval X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=T0P8pThuWD9gkQnPQ0qro9lmqKnnxnWmclyR8OxiEfsmkQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 11, 2006 News Day http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-bc-ny--splashcity- vote0411apr11,0,3440345.story?track=3Drss NEW YORK, NY -- A proposed water park that would bring wave pools and=20 80'-tall water slides to New York City sailed through final approval=20 on Tuesday and is set to break ground this year. The city's Franchise and Concession Review Committee voted to allow=20 the proposed 35-year lease with Aquatic Development Group. The=20 planned 26-acre attraction is set to take over a slice of Randalls=20 Island parkland, where the East and Harlem Rivers meet under the=20 Triborough Bridge. Supporters say the $168 million water park will bring tourists and=20 economic activity, but critics question whether parkland should be=20 used by a private developer. Some community activists also oppose it=20 because they say it only adds to the increasing commercialization of=20 the city. A giant water park is a bit of an oddity for NY. The majority of the=20 nation's 70-some such parks are located far from major urban areas. The city's storied amusement park - Brooklyn's Coney Island - is more=20 of a summer hotspot, with its boardwalk and seaside location. Plans=20 for the Randalls Island park include several acres of indoor park and=20 beach with a transparent roof - attracting visitors year round and=20 even on rainy days. "It will have everything that you can imagine in=20 water recreation," said Herb Ellis, chairman of ADG. The site is easily reachable by car, bus or footbridges. Randalls Island was designated a city park in 1933, and its primary=20 attraction has been a sports and concert arena. The water park idea=20 was first floated in 1999. ----------- Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 09:27:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46275 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:27:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:27:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:27:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:27:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: I-X Amusement Park returns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lnoyPG0aIOSU1D3vvv56gpoL-J3YS6i05d-CGYTYvDPyoUE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 7, 2006 Canton Repository http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=3D278994 Cleveland, OH -- More than 20 acres of family fun are offered at the=20 I-X Indoor Amusement Park, running through April 30 at the I-X=20 Center, adjacent to Hopkins International Airport in Cleveland. There are thrill rides, more than 30 kiddie rides, a 3-D haunted=20 house, games and live entertainment. Radio Disney band B5 will=20 perform at 7 p.m. Saturday, reggaeton artist Baby Ranks will appear=20 April 22 at 8 p.m., and Christian vocalist Matthew West will sing=20 April 28 at 9 p.m.=20 Admission is $18, $15 for children under 48 inches, $9 for ages 60=20 and older, and free for kids 2 and younger. Discount advance tickets=20 are available at Marc's and discount coupons are available at=20 McDonald's. Hours are 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. Saturday and 11 a.m. to 10p.m. Sunday;=20 other hours vary. For more information, call (800) 897-3942 or visit=20 www.ixamusementpark.com --------- =A92006 The Repository From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 09:38:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97594 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 16:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:38:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:37:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:37:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Universal plans big finish each day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FYtyjCf75bg33vBxiJnGx5PuQFNwooQHuVTmtVTD4vbQYvA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 12, 2006 Sun-Sentinal http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/local/orl- universal1206apr12,0,6341181.story?track=3Drss by Scott Powers Universal Studios Orlando will combine projectors and pyrotechnics in=20 a new nightly show that theme park executives hope will spark=20 attendance starting this summer. The centerpiece of the USO show will be 4 huge spheres floating on=20 barges spaced in the park's central lagoon. The 3-story globes will=20 essentially be 360-degree screens for Universal Pictures' most=20 memorable movie scenes. The film clips will be choreographed to movie-theme music playing=20 from a new 300-speaker sound system and accompanied by fireworks and=20 lasers. "Universal 360: A Cinesphere Spectacular," which will start July 1,=20 is aimed at getting people to stay until closing, and to get more=20 people to come as USO tries to rebound from a big attendance drop=20 last year. People who enjoy an end-of-day show tend to spend more money, leave=20 happier and return, USO President Bob Gault said. And they'll tell=20 their friends. "Obviously, word of mouth helps drive this business,"=20 Gault said. "We've been looking for ways to enhance that, to take it=20 right over the top, so guests say, 'Oh, my God. I can't wait to go=20 home and tell my friends and neighbors about this.' " The show is one of 4 new attractions USO is promoting. The others are=20 a new children's monorail ride at Islands of Adventure, a new=20 CityWalk nightclub that strives for swank, and a new CW seafood=20 restaurant. A good end-of-day show can be an attraction itself, said Jerry=20 Aldrich, president of Orlando-based Amusement Industry Consulting. Though USO still managed a profit, Aldrich and other industry=20 observers said it would be tough for the parks to remain profitable=20 if they can't attract bigger crowds. Last year, attendance fell 11%=20 from a 2004 record level. "If they market it, I'm sure it will=20 actually bring people in," Aldrich said. "It definitely will keep=20 people in the park." And those who stay until closing might buy dinner, and maybe a=20 sweatshirt to keep warm. And they're more likely to stay and play=20 into the evening at CW, Aldrich said. USO would not disclose the project's contractors but said much of the=20 construction and programming is being done by USO's engineers. The=20 technology has been used in Europe, but not anything like the scale=20 Universal is planning, said Jim Timon, senior VP of=20 entertainment. "It's a pretty cool computer trick, by taking the 4=20 projectors that actually project around the surface of the sphere and=20 computer-blending the edges, so that to the eye it appears like=20 continuous imaging," he said. "We also have a 5th projector that=20 projects straight up." The technology offers other opportunities too, Gault said. For=20 Halloween Horror Nights, USO could produce a horror video show for=20 the spheres. For Mardi Gras, stage shows could be projected live into=20 the spheres. The screens could even broadcast NBC-TV shows, perhaps=20 the Olympics, he said. "The video boys are going to be busy for a=20 long time here," Timon said. The one new ride at USO this year, The High In The Sky Seuss Trolley=20 Train Ride, also known as the Seuss Sky Trolley, is actually a redone=20 old ride that never opened. The original ride - Sylvester McMonkey=20 McBean's Very Unusual Driving Machines - was built for IoA's 1999=20 grand opening but technical and safety concerns left it dormant for 7=20 years. USO redesigned and rebuilt the ride this winter, and renamed it. It=20 will open June 1. "It's designed for families with small children,"=20 Gault said. "It's just going to be a fun thing. It provides more=20 balance in IoA . . . We've already got great roller coasters." The new 2-story nightclub, The Red Coconut, which Timon said will=20 strive for a "Rat Pack cool, hip" feel set in a 1970s decor, will=20 feature live bands and dancing, and seek a clientele aged from the=20 late 20s-40s. It should open in late May on CW's Club Row. The Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. restaurant, with seating for more than 400,=20 will open July 1 at the entrance to CW. Its CW location was announced=20 last summer. Gault said competition for tourists in Central Florida remains tough,=20 because the market still has not fully recovered from the post-Sept.=20 11, 2001, slump. So, he said, "We are continuing to spend a lot of money on great=20 product, high technology and relevant stuff. That helps us in the=20 battle for share." ------- =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 09:43:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58352 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 16:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:43:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:42:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:42:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Auction to benefit Olcott park restoration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pqxkoJI_z_XZl45fpxcowinPzV4F4GOF_AHMoJIRHzzcqiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 4/8/2006 The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060408/1009907.asp By TERESA SHARP Olcott Beach, NY -- Olcott Beach Carousel Park will hold an auction=20 today to help restore and maintain its post-World War II-era=20 amusement park. The Lake Ontario park features a 1928 carousel and 4 other vintage=20 rides and will add 2 old-fashioned Skee ball games this year. The group is sponsoring its 6th annual benefit auction beginning at=20 noon today in Olcott Fire Hall on Lockport-Olcott Road. A $10=20 admission fee includes registration, hors d'oeuvres, live music and a=20 preview of the auction items. Admission also earns a chance to win the door prize, which is an=20 overnight stay at the Garden Place Hotel in Lancaster, with dinner at=20 Salvatore's Italian Gardens. The silent auction, which features theme=20 baskets and gift certificates, will be held from noon to 2 p.m.; the=20 live auction begins at 2 p.m. and will feature auctioneer Scott Perry. Live auction items run the gamut from Buffalo Sabres playoff tickets=20 to antiques to a wooden bunk bed and desk unit. The auction also=20 features a week's stay in a Virginia lakeside home donated by Steve=20 Geise and valued at $3,000. "We have some high-ticket items," said=20 Rosemary Sansone, organization president and co-chairwoman of the=20 event with her husband, Jim, and Nelson and Barb Colley. "All of our=20 items have been donated by local individuals and businesses," she=20 said. Olcott Beach Carousel Park opened in 2002. It features a 1928 Allan=20 Herschell carousel. The park opens weekends beginning Memorial Day=20 weekend; opens Thursdays through Sundays from July 1 to Labor Day;=20 and then is open just weekends until mid-October. The park is operated solely by volunteers. Rides are 25=20 cents. "That's why we have the fund-raisers," said Sansone. The group is trying to revive the success of the Olcott Amusement=20 Park, which opened in the 1940s and closed in 1986. Members already=20 have spent a great deal of time and money restoring the carousel=20 roundhouse, finding and purchasing the vintage rides and building=20 shelters for the other rides. "We've got this renaissance going,"=20 Sansone said. "And a little progress is being made." ------- Copyright 1999 - 2006 - The Buffalo News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 09:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78091 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 16:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:46:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 16:46:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:46:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lost Landmarks | Pirates World in Dania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xrB09J3HEdXwwUIQYm69bt6jWoqOVXdBW4JqAEnLMqi4ptk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 10, 2006=20=20 Miami Herald http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/miamiherald/living/14301143.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_living HOWARD COHEN Dania Beach, FL -- Before there was Disney World, there was Pirates=20 World in Dania. Opened in 1967, the amusement park only lasted until 1975, done in by=20 disturbances and disrepair. Condos sit on the land now. It was fun while it lasted. The park boasted the famed Log Flume, a=20 roller coaster with a big splash at the bottom. The Tilted House was=20 a surreal experience -- hey, it was the '60s -- and lines grew for=20 the Steeple Chase, the Sky Trail and the Pirate's Ship. Pirates World also hosted major concerts: Cat Stevens with Carly=20 Simon, Grand Funk Railroad, David Bowie, Chicago with Steely Dan.=20 Tickets? Just $5 at the gate. The Dania Beach Lions Club hosts a Pirates World Reunion to benefit=20 the Majic Children's Fund at 10 a.m. Saturday at the Dania Beach Jai=20 Alai. Visit www.piratesworldreunion.com or call 954-648-6905. ---------- =A9 2006 MiamiHerald.com From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 11:49:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30969 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 18:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 75926 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2006 18:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060412184917.75924.qmail@web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:49:16 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:49:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Lost Landmarks | Pirates World in Dania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=ulUFDh18TdwQCX-KyxsRkvfkgdSCXoEBlwuhi18Qb_4lZwNw6FIs5gb86w X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's so sad that the park closed, but it's great that they are having reuni= ons! =20=20=20 They should do that for all closed parks. Alan wrote: Apr. 10, 2006=20=20 Miami Herald http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/miamiherald/living/14301143.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmiamiherald_living HOWARD COHEN Dania Beach, FL -- Before there was Disney World, there was Pirates=20 World in Dania. Opened in 1967, the amusement park only lasted until 1975, done in by=20 disturbances and disrepair. Condos sit on the land now. It was fun while it lasted. The park boasted the famed Log Flume, a=20 roller coaster with a big splash at the bottom. The Tilted House was=20 a surreal experience -- hey, it was the '60s -- and lines grew for=20 the Steeple Chase, the Sky Trail and the Pirate's Ship. Pirates World also hosted major concerts: Cat Stevens with Carly=20 Simon, Grand Funk Railroad, David Bowie, Chicago with Steely Dan.=20 Tickets? Just $5 at the gate. The Dania Beach Lions Club hosts a Pirates World Reunion to benefit=20 the Majic Children's Fund at 10 a.m. Saturday at the Dania Beach Jai=20 Alai. Visit www.piratesworldreunion.com or call 954-648-6905. ---------- =A9 2006 MiamiHerald.com Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 12:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18840 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FTkt8-00066x-02 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:20:26 -0400 Message-ID: <443D52FA.3060509@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:20:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47848d7ba2f7fbb8675a1c85a54067c78888d2173d4c4e98f55350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=fewNriawf-dyoqqQ2UCACn9L80ubumntfhykVNeGNxJhiF8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Kristy Milo wrote: > Good luck both Doug and George on your upcoming moves. Thanks! We're actually pretty excited about our move, and we're sure we're going from an apartment to a house. More room for us (and guests!) I'll be > moving to Irvine CA in July. Get ready for lots of traffic!! But you'll be nice and close to Disneyland and Knott's. And the drive up to SFMM won't be to bad either. > > I've been about 45 minutes from SFNE for ages. Had season passes for > a few years but when I got sick (cancer) I stopped getting them and > haven't gone back actually Did I miss this somehow? Is that why you've been quiet for a while? Wow, the things I miss sometimes. I'm guessing that you're doing better or over it? Hope so, and if so then I'm really happy for you. > > I certainly look forward to have some different parks around when I > move out West. We've been making yearly and bi-yearly trips to > Orlando for over a decade now and I never get tired of those parks > from WDW to IOA to BGT! As Doug said, you've got to let us know the next time you're down in the area. As many people on the list as have been down here recently, or will be, it seems we should do some sort of a list get together at some point. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lau228@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 12:36:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70179 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 19:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 19:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53901.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.211) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 19:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 48091 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2006 19:26:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060412192649.48089.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:49 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=ALiy2HfTxBBoqO5y9hiukil_1jjLAcFu2pnXcQlcI5Mk X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think this is quite what Brian had in mind for advice, LOL. Anyway, I have friends that got married at Cesear's. Everything was taken care of for them. They told them how many people would be attending and how much money they wanted to spend and they did everything. Flowers, cake, photographer, minister, the works. Not sure if this is what you had in mind, or if you want Elvis to marry you. Either way, congrats to you and J. Lori Chris wrote: I married (the first time) in Vegas. It is so easy, it isn't even funny. There are two steps. First, go to city hall and get the marriage licence. (I don't remember for sure, but it was like twenty bucks in '97.) Then go to the wedding chapel of your choice, and in about 20 or 30 minutes you're done. I got married for less than $100, and I had to pay for a witness. The divorce, 6 years and 8 days later, wasn't anywhere near as easy. Chris --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 12 14:58:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5292 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 21:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 21:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.237) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 21:58:43 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1344264wra for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.204.6 with SMTP id b6mr1355707qbg; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:58:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <443D52FA.3060509@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <443D52FA.3060509@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fa1b6_oHUouDek9k1cb2aX1x5JEM0TLkXfOL5wPbfrxkHsTiUeHGXcc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > As Doug said, you've got to let us know the next time you're down in the > area. As many people on the list as have been down here recently, or > will be, it seems we should do some sort of a list get together at some > point. Last time we did that, a whole five of us showed up. ;-) -Nate (one of the five) From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 15:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13741 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:53:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:53:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.168.114.7 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=xk7diWjU5ld8vijWio7vWkHxV1UqTHnQ8ROcldRE6UJIYHqc X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm > For me, the problems with SFNE were always in other areas (pricing, > food, and most of all operations). The rides are top-notch and (IMO, > of course) the park is really nice looking. See I remember the old 'Riverside' park which was uhmmmm to put it=20 nicely 'lacking'. I didn't mind when SF bought the park- I think it=20 turned it around big time. However I'm not a water park fan (it breeds=20 obnoxious children I swear!) so when that opened it just seemed to get=20 really crowded. We would go early or late in the season. > But it's hard to appreciate that when you're waiting in an hour-=20=20 > long line because of single-train operation. Heat stroke the first year ROS was open- the line was completely in=20 the sun then. It was July or August and I just passed out! I think we=20 were about 1 1/2 hrs into the wait! We went back about a week later=20 and I thought the ride was awesome- except everyone was waiting for me=20 to pass out again- LOL! ~Kristy~ From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 16:08:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3139 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 23:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2006 22:59:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:59:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <443D52FA.3060509@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.168.114.7 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=dAAu3p1DYXNZTDTKMH7paum4xm0iUKYty-3CDTgGNMHl9hmB X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm > Did I miss this somehow? Is that why you've been quiet for a while?=20 > Wow, the things I miss sometimes. I'm guessing that you're doing=20 better=20 > or over it? Hope so, and if so then I'm really happy for you. >=20 Yeah- I'm good now. Just missing some parts *vbg*. I love this group. Even though I don't always post- I still read a=20 heck of a lot. Love the pictures of new rides and the trip reports=20 (shorter versions -lol). Love the news posts too. If I need to know=20 something about a park I check here first! Next trip to FL will be either late 2007 or early 2008. I'll probably=20 go through withdrawls :) I have DVC so we typicaly get a grand villa=20 and pack it full with relatives and friends. ~Kristy~ From lance@screamscape.com Wed Apr 12 20:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47921 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3D31IxA013332 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05eb01c65ea6$910da350$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060411160833.34311.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:01:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Vegas Weddings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=-ufBNP2o0KJ2UFn-Qxxh1NHm4SCkonyMJ5vnx3fEbNTTozp-vv8rSYHs_A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >I know it's a little off topic, but has anyone here > gotten married in Vegas recently? I got married back in December 1999 in Vegas. We picked it for a few reasons. 1) Kerry was from Florida but she moved to San Diego to be with me, so there was a distance factor for the families. 2) My immediate family was in San Diego, but my extended family was all over the country and would have to travel no matter where we had the wedding. 3) We wanted something cheap since we were paying for it ourselves. 4) We wanted something EASY... So we went with the Vegas option and it was one of the best moves we could have done. There are always lots of good travel deals to Vegas, so it was easy for most of the family to get there. The wedding chappels are great at making things easy for you, and we chose one that would even broadcast the wedding live on the internet for anyone who wouldn't be able to make it. (Which turned out to be a great thing since Kerry's mom became seriously ill and her doctor told her not to travel, so she missed the wedding but was thankful she was still able to watch it live and talk to everyone via cell phone). We looked around a bit on the internet and while many of the casinos have big packages, we knew we just wanted something small and simple, so we went to the Little Chappel of the Flowers, which isn't very far from the Statosphere and had a great time. We also had a Jacuzzi suite at the New York, New York which is where we had our reception... after the limo driver took us back to the hotel, we stopped to ride the Manhattan Express in full wedding gear before going up to the room for the party. (We filled the jacuzzi with ice and champaine by loading up the room's pillow cases from the ice machines on three different floors!!) Quick, cheap, easy and we had a great time. I've seen what real traditional weddings are like and the nightmares they are to plan and I'm glad we avoided it. PS - A friend of mine also got married in Vegas at the Chapple of the Bells of something like that, but we liked the one we got married at better. You just need to remember to get downtown at some point in advance and get your marriage license. It's easy though... just wait in line, show your IDs, pay and off you go. I'm surprised they havn't installed a drive through for it yet. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 00:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2587 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 07:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 07:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 07:58:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 07:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 07:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 07:57:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:57:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AjNY18_xqSD9EbZnYvrn-KG1rUlnwpguGUdpPgkvkc4o49O2BA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Since everybody is talking about moving...=20 This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL.=20 (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the=20 last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me.=20 So, who else lives out there?=20 Yeah, I really was looking forward to being in the Seattle area, but=20 you can't always get what you want! Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo"=20 wrote: > > Good luck both Doug and George on your upcoming moves. I'll be=20 > moving to Irvine CA in July.=20 >=20 > I've been about 45 minutes from SFNE for ages. Had season passes=20 for=20 > a few years but when I got sick (cancer) I stopped getting them and=20 > haven't gone back actually- it did get old so I don't bother. I=20 went=20 > to Canobie once- kids loved it but there wasn't much to do. >=20 > I certainly look forward to have some different parks around when I=20 > move out West. We've been making yearly and bi-yearly trips to=20 > Orlando for over a decade now and I never get tired of those parks=20 > from WDW to IOA to BGT! >=20 > ~Kristy~ >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 > wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Doug Nelson wrote: > > > > hey all, > > > >=20 > > > > havent posted in a looooong time. > > > >=20 > > > > just moved to the tampa area,=20 > > >=20 > > > You just moved here and you haven't contacted me yet??? Shame=20 > on=20 > > you=20 > > > Doug! :P Better do it soon though, as we're moving out=20 towards=20 > > Orlando=20 > > > at the end of May or early June. hehe=20 > >=20 > > uhmmm...doh? :) damn, you are moving again?! crud. oh well, at=20 > least=20 > > we will have folks to go to IOA with now when we go! From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 06:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54799 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 13:58:27 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so1143866ugf for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.21.7 with SMTP id 7mr328758huu; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604130658g6c2b77a9vca23bfbcf904033f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=QC0mVLkk6GTKE2yM1mY-bktihYRzusHerK7CDAiQQ-ML1Cab X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'm not local local, but it's within a few hours drive, so it's localish :) On 4/13/06, Chris wrote: > Since everybody is talking about moving... > This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL. > (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the > last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me. > So, who else lives out there? > > Yeah, I really was looking forward to being in the Seattle area, but > you can't always get what you want! > From serpmage@juno.com Thu Apr 13 07:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75898 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 14:43:18 -0000 Received: from webmail53.lax.untd.com (webmail53.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.193]) by smtpout05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCD624MADGMFXJ for (sender ); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:42:19 -0700 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail53.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LMUJASR2; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:42:09 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail53.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:41:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:41:43 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060413.074209.8594.927875@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:1521946303 X-MAIL-INFO:1d8aca3a4acb5b4a7373cb935b934b5eaad34fbbab2af7c733d3aaa3fa07974af7 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAMM9+/blZr2HI9IZLiveb3WdC6iGuwfcGQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.193|webmail53.lax.untd.com|webmail53.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=dD9NhwSRG3vNDdbw3NKCI_-sr8w-f-IZh3gY6ILy4RTD0oLm2w X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >> As Doug said, you've got to let us know the next time you're down >in th= e >> area. As many people on the list as have been down here recently, >or >> will be, it seems we should do some sort of a list get together at >some >> point. > >Last time we did that, a whole five of us showed up. ;-) > >-Nate (one of the five) Yeah, but last time, didn't you guys pick a place that was "cenltral" but n= ot exactly highly populated in the immediate area by people on the list? I= f we do a BGT or IOA thing, I think there are enough Central Florida people= on the list that it's likely that at least 5 locals would show, depending = on the day that gets picked. ~Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! 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From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 08:16:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47181 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 15:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 15:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 15:16:40 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so1451615nzo for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.153.9 with SMTP id f9mr407702qbo; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:16:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=G42qrdvwwf3mZkBKDRcdhe4hMHOYLgFpLDbTyB2XowKRoC-_6uR16n4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Since everybody is talking about moving... > This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL. > (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the > last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me. > So, who else lives out there? I'm in Madison, WI (about two hours from there). You'll be really close to SFGAm, which is a great park that I'll really miss when I move. I'll only be here until August, and then it looks like I'm off to Vancouver (AKA the land of no parks). -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 08:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72696 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 15:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 15:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 15:08:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FF29A91 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:07:07 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:07:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=3cNe2Qt_J_PlyycYmdjdVcIgkvtuMNcCM6ZI6lH0pXLky6Dt X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Chris, I'm about 30 minutes south of you in Evanston .. Let me know when you get here, we'll do dinner or something. And as for Seattle, Chicago is far cooler! :) Cameron. On Apr 13, 2006, at 2:57, Chris wrote: > Since everybody is talking about moving... > This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL. > (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the > last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me. > So, who else lives out there? > > Yeah, I really was looking forward to being in the Seattle area, but > you can't always get what you want! > > Chris B > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" > wrote: >> >> Good luck both Doug and George on your upcoming moves. I'll be >> moving to Irvine CA in July. >> >> I've been about 45 minutes from SFNE for ages. Had season passes > for >> a few years but when I got sick (cancer) I stopped getting them and >> haven't gone back actually- it did get old so I don't bother. I > went >> to Canobie once- kids loved it but there wasn't much to do. >> >> I certainly look forward to have some different parks around when I >> move out West. We've been making yearly and bi-yearly trips to >> Orlando for over a decade now and I never get tired of those parks >> from WDW to IOA to BGT! >> >> ~Kristy~ >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" >> wrote: >>> >>> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Doug Nelson wrote: >>>>> hey all, >>>>> >>>>> havent posted in a looooong time. >>>>> >>>>> just moved to the tampa area, >>>> >>>> You just moved here and you haven't contacted me yet??? Shame >> on >>> you >>>> Doug! :P Better do it soon though, as we're moving out > towards >>> Orlando >>>> at the end of May or early June. hehe >>> >>> uhmmm...doh? :) damn, you are moving again?! crud. oh well, at >> least >>> we will have folks to go to IOA with now when we go! > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 08:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48041 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so1089767ugf for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr23566hue; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0604130830v2426436g125b2527d22a0f93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:30:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_P932spzUfS3PLlsVl9w5AxmqqkSvXmuQUBlZrf0d_BqzzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vancouver is sure damn nice. It is hard to beat a place like Seattle, except drier and warmer. While not an uber-park, the PNE is open April to October, with the fair in late summer. Plus you're in Canada, which i really like a lot, the people seem a lot less repressed on the whole. Good luck to you (and everyone) with the move(s). Adam On 4/13/06, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Since everybody is talking about moving... > > This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL. > > (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the > > last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me. > > So, who else lives out there? > > I'm in Madison, WI (about two hours from there). You'll be really > close to SFGAm, which is a great park that I'll really miss when I > move. I'll only be here until August, and then it looks like I'm off > to Vancouver (AKA the land of no parks). > > -Nate > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 08:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57684 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 15:39:03 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x7so293138nzc for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.61.3 with SMTP id o3mr415481qbk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060413.074209.8594.927875@webmail53.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060413.074209.8594.927875@webmail53.lax.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=bDTjpqNgzBp1zNJeq4VpCMojMEs_khAqCPgQze7yrYDRnsxsrYdkRaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yeah, but last time, didn't you guys pick a place that was "cenltral" but= not > exactly highly populated in the immediate area by people on the list? We went to Conneaut and Kennywood, and some of us also went to Cedar Point. At that time we had a fair amount of memebers living around Cleveland. However, we had two from Ohio, one from Wisconsin, one from New Jersey, one from West Virginia, and one from New York show up. So there were certainly people who traveled for it, but most of us were people who had done trips together before. > If we do a BGT or IOA thing, I think there are enough Central Florida peo= ple on > the list that it's likely that at least 5 locals would show, depending on= the day > that gets picked. There might be now, yeah. I'd love to get to Florida once more to really get some good use out of my annual pass, but I can't even think about affording that right now. Maybe by November things will be looking better financially. :-) -Nate From kmorgan777@swbell.net Thu Apr 13 09:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kmorgan777@swbell.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86279 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 16:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.199.120) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 91586 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 16:04:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060413160413.91584.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.216.133.25] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:04:13 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.199.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Kelley Morgan Subject: New to group, but need to ride Patriot in KC!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148793368; y=SXC78goCe0DVmkVOqwaoKR2k_qXqHPX8vKKSEsIqQEc1ndwqooxjIWmI5RtJShqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: canadalover777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I plan on going to WOF this Saturday and was wondering if anyone else was planning on going. I don't have anyone local that wants to ride Patriot like 50 times in one day. Is anyone going on Saturday the 15th? Email me and we can talk and then hookup on Saturday. PriceChopper sells tickets for 10 dollars less than the gate. Kelley Morgan 36 Single M Olathe, KS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Apr 13 10:41:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29171 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 17:40:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3DHeorK005710 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02d601c65f21$68a8cbd0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060413.074209.8594.927875@webmail53.lax.untd.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=SVL4RxJzRe-3V8YXzhAfLhJkJYvPBWQMHSPGFrKh55AgBFZuMxeed4_s0w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Its just starting to make the news, but a woman became ill and died after a ride on Mission Space this week. I've posted details to Screamscape.com Lance Screamscape.com From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 11:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43986 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 18:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 18:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.117) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 18:30:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 47373 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 18:30:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060413183013.47371.qmail@web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:30:13 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02d601c65f21$68a8cbd0$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=cmv6mEWLvg2AvzbUyz_Qx2ovaGcAtvkr27b1T7BDQQwiJnCOVxUNeEBxNg X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I just heard about that on ThemeParkInsider. It's a shame, that is like= the second death on Mission Space in less than a year . Is that a lawsuit = I hear? Lance Hart wrote: Its just starting to make the ne= ws, but a woman became ill and died after a=20 ride on Mission Space this week. I've posted details to Screamscape.com Lance Screamscape.com Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Apr 13 11:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82178 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 18:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 18:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 18:42:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 18:42:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 18:42:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:42:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060413183013.47371.qmail@web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=7rEr9S730cUJ6X9-rIWm764tuCmycrKwB8rXtN1AVbSJB_FKrdIX3A X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam =20 > Lance Hart wrote: Its just starting to make the news, but a = woman became=20 ill and died after a=20 > ride on Mission Space this week. >=20 I've posted a bit on this on http://masstort.org as well. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 11:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91742 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3DIjPMT029387 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:45:25 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:45:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0604130830v2426436g125b2527d22a0f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0604130830v2426436g125b2527d22a0f93@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E32229F-FB5D-40D4-AAED-6A62A62C6EB0@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:45:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 18:45:25.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D878160:01C65F2A] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ZWsKkCpFqIlFZiM3JG6p5697DLGXeDdJAnNvwVwfCePpRjKf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Adam, Vancouver is an hour away from Whistler/Blackcomb .. You don't need roller-coasters! Cameron. On Apr 13, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Adam Sandy wrote: > Vancouver is sure damn nice. It is hard to beat a place like Seattle, > except drier and warmer. While not an uber-park, the PNE is open > April to > October, with the fair in late summer. Plus you're in Canada, > which i > really like a lot, the people seem a lot less repressed on the > whole. Good > luck to you (and everyone) with the move(s). > > Adam > > On 4/13/06, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> >>> Since everybody is talking about moving... >>> This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL. >>> (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the >>> last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me. >>> So, who else lives out there? >> >> I'm in Madison, WI (about two hours from there). You'll be really >> close to SFGAm, which is a great park that I'll really miss when I >> move. I'll only be here until August, and then it looks like I'm off >> to Vancouver (AKA the land of no parks). >> >> -Nate >> >> >> Don't forget our group site at >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 11:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12481 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 18:50:56 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3DIoqFG000896 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060413183013.47371.qmail@web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413183013.47371.qmail@web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 18:50:52.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[30011E90:01C65F2B] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=tvHC6Kq5pybYszvsuUNr6OxSg-tiSWdjKLl9Vom-0HByyU1V X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Unfortunately it's true. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1838894 The article implies to me that it may have been a pre-existing condition (high blood-pressure). A real tragedy .. :( > Yes I just heard about that on ThemeParkInsider. It's a shame, that > is like the second death on Mission Space in less than a year . Is > that a lawsuit I hear? If the ride didn't malfunction, and it's not pulling more forces than is legally permitted, then can Disney really be sued? I know, I know .. I'm being too naive and trusting of The System again, when will I learn?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 12:40:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7336 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 19:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 19:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 19:40:03 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so1195733ugf for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr36215huc; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:40:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=EaT2SrRaXSalXJYxgyoWMs9aOB8Q977wTKsbEU1dXLU7Wm92 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/13/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hey Chris, > > I'm about 30 minutes south of you in Evanston .. Let me know when you > get here, we'll do dinner or something. > > And as for Seattle, Chicago is far cooler! :) Yup, it definitely gets colder in Chicago than it does in Seattle ;) From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Thu Apr 13 13:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7836 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.3a0.4757c6 (3699) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a0.4757c6.3170083c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:02:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=ja1rdJH-xOthnMTxe9BTSvTnimk4F8L60HJscYxGKvdVFyqX5Mhk X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the link to the story on baynews9.com..... _http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/13/153568.html_ (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/13/153568.html) Just heard about it after getting off work. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 13:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31264 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3DKRY4i002432 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:27:34 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:27:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:27:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 20:27:34.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[B26EA200:01C65F38] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=cW63jr3cB86okAT1JPy9JBI54tkBJ8k0mhLHJBgPpwg7S_gY X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Beth, >> And as for Seattle, Chicago is far cooler! :) > > Yup, it definitely gets colder in Chicago than it does in Seattle ;) You must be tired or something, that was way too obvious for you!! Cameron. ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 13:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66847 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:39:29 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so1509868nzo for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.11.16 with SMTP id o16mr665682qbi; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=00zVcZJ6Nnplq5_XuwkDDjRVGJ45zirsgj9gshnxpl0coO13Hr5bo8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >> And as for Seattle, Chicago is far cooler! :) > > > > Yup, it definitely gets colder in Chicago than it does in Seattle ;) > > You must be tired or something, that was way too obvious for you!! How anyone can argue that Chicago is a better city than Seattle is beyond me...unless you like being stuck in traffic. :-) > ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! I sure hope they're going to have a new coaster if they're going to wait for another 27 years to open! -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 13:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78546 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:42:26 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so1484512nzf for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.61.14 with SMTP id o14mr675874qbk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:42:22 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=nYSNcpvsqpThnZGgROVGgPWpK2-M9mXUrGSEPUtn07LHAKRAPMR2u2w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Speaking of getting list members together, how many people are planning on going to Holliwood Nights next month? I know it's a bit early and not everyone probably has their plans set yet, but it'd be nice to get some sort of idea. I'll be at Holiday World Friday and Saturday and Beech Bend on Sunday. Is anyone else going (besides Brian)? -- -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 13:53:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3566 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3DKr81F003847 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:53:08 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:53:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:53:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 20:53:08.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[44FBB1A0:01C65F3C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=q_ta_Az_euA1rQSpSHwBKY2kHTrsgZqSD7wc_MmShitmS-aY X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nate, >>> Yup, it definitely gets colder in Chicago than it does in Seattle ;) >> >> You must be tired or something, that was way too obvious for you!! > > How anyone can argue that Chicago is a better city than Seattle is > beyond me...unless you like being stuck in traffic. :-) Heh .. Seriously, I'm almost never stuck in traffic! Again seriously I've never actually been to Seattle, but I've heard loads of awesome things about it, and many people compare it to Melbourne .. so I'm sure it's lovely. The Hip factor erks me, though ..! >> ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! > > I sure hope they're going to have a new coaster if they're going to > wait for another 27 years to open! hah .. well as a computer scientist I don't always count with all 10 fingers...! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** He was a little dog, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** named Snuggles. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 13:54:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84422 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3DKsBVm007661 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:11 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 20:54:11.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A697350:01C65F3C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=XTAHfhL2V0iKdmRwEt1HQ2UV_C1BYNcGsDRVYaj9Pa-HaG5w X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I'll be there! Drive down on Friday morning, back on Sunday. I initially planned on hitting Beech Bend, but decided to skip it as I think it might be too crowded. I have some friends who live in Nashville who've been bugging me to come down to visit them .. so I might do that later in the summer and swing by Beech Bend on the way. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** There was a sandwich * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** in my head! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 14:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8135 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 21:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 21:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 21:24:21 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q2so1132527uge for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.14 with SMTP id f14mr40736huf; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604131424u27b1f87pd4cc3c21a0bd036d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:24:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=mngPxl0mQCEs50JWlFhcRHUA89R4H8GsHXPlstVNfpyjwD9h X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'll be there. I'm using the event to kick off an 11-day trip that will include a ton of parks. Beech Bend on Sunday, then on to Carowinds, Myrtle Beach, Wild Adventures, SFoG, Lake Winnie, Alabama Adventures (formerly Visionland... for Rip Roarin' Rampage event) and possibly stopping at Camden on the drive home. :) From jade52903@yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 14:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jade52903@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47535 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51504.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.196) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 21:53:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8239 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 21:53:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060413215344.8237.qmail@web51504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.105.156.4] by web51504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:53:44 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:53:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3a0.4757c6.3170083c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Alyssa Molnar Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92968040; y=rj9z3vAtjXV7k6SEj5qYPmjCFTkBTDJR1scV86ECxIft67Fy X-Yahoo-Profile: jade52903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to hear that it has gotten someone else now. God bless their family = and friends thunder7nyfl@aol.com wrote: This is the link to the story on baynews9.com.= .... _http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/13/153568.html_=20 (http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/13/153568.html)=20 Just heard about it after getting off work.=20=20 Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 Jade =20=20=20=20 =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 15:29:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61435 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 22:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 22:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 22:22:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:20:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:20:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=bZDcg3yHk4sWTuZAymW94NJPlwQ91LJJ6nNaUrxeD08ccA-nztYnvthpQw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > As Doug said, you've got to let us know the next time you're down=20 in the > > area. As many people on the list as have been down here recently,=20 or > > will be, it seems we should do some sort of a list get together at=20 some > > point. >=20 > Last time we did that, a whole five of us showed up. ;-) >=20 > -Nate (one of the five) > since we have a 5 month old, i couldnt make any promises.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 15:39:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48365 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 22:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGT question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=xB94pIiZ1RzcqiKeCdbrl5ozdmUFPoApT8Whatvohrd_ASS8qnXdI1IZMg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > the first year we lived in boston we got season passes, thinking=20 it > > would be worth going back lots of times. boy were we wrong. if we > > lived closer it might have been worth it, but given that we only > > really ride coasters its didnt really do us much good back then.=20 im > > sorry, its just an ugly park. just my opinion of course. >=20 > Wow...I can't agree with that at all. I think SFNE is one of the > nicest looking Six Flags parks there is, and certainly one of the=20 best > themed. I'm really having a hard time remembering any area of the > park I would call "ugly." i just dont think the park doesnt have any personality. sure its not=20 as bad as some SF parks, but hell, canobie has more personality. and=20 like i said, i dont consider WB merchandising to be=20 considered "themeing". >=20 > For me, the problems with SFNE were always in other areas (pricing, > food, and most of all operations). The rides are top-notch and=20 (IMO, > of course) the park is really nice looking.=20 sure, if you dont mind your spine being readjusted by Cyclone,=20 Flashback or Thunderbolt.=20 From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Apr 13 15:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19689 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-14.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 31556 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2006 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 22:39:38 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FUATS-0006Ax-J1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:39:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EE19BC8-3126-4D7D-BBF0-677AA33C5CFF@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:44:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Then: Moving... Now: I don't even know anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=Iu3TzO_jHuxUNJYdNw3EXrsSgxnAgofcaLivIHa3l0yy6TmJ7-kS X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! >> >> I sure hope they're going to have a new coaster if they're going to >> wait for another 27 years to open! > > hah .. well as a computer scientist I don't always count with all 10 > fingers...! Haha didn't catch that either... I guess as the saying goes... there are only 10 kinds of people in this world. those who understand binary, and those who don't. I'm surprised it doesn't open til so late though. SFGAd had its opening day last week I think, not sure if that's just the climate or something else. Speaking of SF opening, SF also did something really great this year with passes. I hadn't renewed mine yet, and without asking for one, they mailed me a pass for this year. It had last years photo, that just had to be paid for and activated online. It was insanely easy... talk about awesome. I don't know if they did that at all the parks, or just GAd. Speaking of SF's online stuff, it also looks like SF is updating their site finally. It has a blue background now, and like Shapiro was saying he wanted to do, the marketing material there seems to have a lot more focus on kids and families. For aesthetics and ease of use though the site could still use a little work. Mike who just got a MacBook Pro, and it's awesome. From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 15:58:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5514 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 22:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 22:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2006 22:57:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:57:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.63.138 From: "Brooke" Subject: Williams Grove Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=_la-McgAQIAxvVf0wc42Hr9WpsJBa351PZgFqVyUqnCSWTDprtrmkJzWYw X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 WG has just changed their website. Now it says: "NOTICE! Williams Grove Amusement Park will not operate this season unless we find a new management team." At least there is some hope that it will reopen. But there is still=20 the problem that the only ride they have is the Cyclone. If they get a=20 new management team they'll have to start with a clean slate. Let's all hope that it reopens. It's sad seeing the oldest park in PA=20 close. Plus the Cyclone would sit and decay on-site if they didn't=20 reopen, and it is the only remaining Oscar Bitler coaster.=20 From onhisown@comcast.net Thu Apr 13 16:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65371 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 23:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 23:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 23:13:46 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060413221320m12003pv97e>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c65f47$75245570$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:13:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=26FAl0EaUMDfnJIrWGJt5GSrp4RpT6_2_ZulkmbvuFqOjVBzi1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there too, camping at Camp Rudolph at least through Sunday, also hitting Beech Bend for their event. I'm still up in the air as to if I will have anyone going with me though. If it's just me I'll probably continue on to SFoG and Dollywood after Rumblefest on Sunday, then maybe up to CP and GL for their events the next weekend. I'm even thinking of making it a two-week trip, starting with Coaster Mayhem at WoF on the 20th, and adding on Branson, Magic Springs and SFStL on the way to HW. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onhisown@comcast.net Thu Apr 13 16:14:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7992 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 23:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 23:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 23:14:11 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060413221758m12003o2a8e>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:17:59 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c65f48$1afc6370$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131424u27b1f87pd4cc3c21a0bd036d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=7ghQO-RGtfB2gkuVUvrTInjWIj6zmh9NYkOserfOn7nsb0MaXn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking of doing a similar trip but the schedule didn't work out as Carowinds is closed from Tuesday-Thursday after Memorial Day. ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Aslakson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call I'll be there. I'm using the event to kick off an 11-day trip that will include a ton of parks. Beech Bend on Sunday, then on to Carowinds, Myrtle Beach, Wild Adventures, SFoG, Lake Winnie, Alabama Adventures (formerly Visionland... for Rip Roarin' Rampage event) and possibly stopping at Camden on the drive home. :) Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 16:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69850 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2006 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 23:50:23 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k40so1138970ugc for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.4 with SMTP id 4mr45224huq; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604131650t381e1124gf13ace2104756c31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:50:22 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c65f48$1afc6370$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131424u27b1f87pd4cc3c21a0bd036d@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c65f48$1afc6370$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=uQ1DnUqJPEMmbOY371W97FE9juV9MpBvUKNhJhoUz2Pi_Nky X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Yeah... we're going to have to leave Beech Bend early to get to Carowinds for the day on Monday. On 4/13/06, Mark Oldfield wrote: > I was thinking of doing a similar trip but the schedule didn't work out a= s Carowinds is closed from Tuesday-Thursday after Memorial Day. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth Aslakson > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call > > > I'll be there. I'm using the event to kick off an 11-day trip that > will include a ton of parks. Beech Bend on Sunday, then on to > Carowinds, Myrtle Beach, Wild Adventures, SFoG, Lake Winnie, Alabama > Adventures (formerly Visionland... for Rip Roarin' Rampage event) and > possibly stopping at Camden on the drive home. :) > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 18:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14713 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 01:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 01:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 01:26:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CA39A91 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:26:21 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <6EE19BC8-3126-4D7D-BBF0-677AA33C5CFF@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> <6EE19BC8-3126-4D7D-BBF0-677AA33C5CFF@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FB406CC-15D5-4974-B133-8F47E6B69080@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:26:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Then: Moving... Now: I don't even know anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=e5MaC1BKtDnuWWm6Mug6hcccKStC1L8YRkMt67xRKXQJr2n4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon On Apr 13, 2006, at 17:44, Mike wrote: >>>> ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! >>> >>> I sure hope they're going to have a new coaster if they're going to >>> wait for another 27 years to open! >> >> hah .. well as a computer scientist I don't always count with all 10 >> fingers...! > > Haha didn't catch that either... I guess as the saying goes... there > are only 10 kinds of people in this world. those who understand > binary, and those who don't. Ding - Ding - Ding!! > I'm surprised it doesn't open til so late though. SFGAd had its > opening day last week I think, not sure if that's just the climate or > something else. For as long as I've live up here (10 years) it's opened two weeks after Easter. I think they are already operating over weekends, but only for buy-outs. People around here are still totally in a winter state of mind .. trees are still bare ... grass is brown, etc ... so Six Flags probably is not missing much by staying closed. In fact the park was a ghost town the first four Sundays of the 05 season (which is not good news for the park, but man I loved it!) .. and attendance last year ended up being huge! > Speaking of SF opening, SF also did something really great this year > with passes. I renewed my pass online in November last year and they just mailed me my new pass (with the photo from last year). Did the same thing for the 05 season too. A friend of mine nearby had his new pass mailed out to him last week too .. so I know that at least Great America is doing this too. Probably safe to assume the whole chain is. > who just got a MacBook Pro, and it's awesome. Nice! I'm waiting for the 12" - probably the first revision of it, which I'm assuming will be later this year (fall). Cameron. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 13 18:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14006 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 01:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 01:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 01:19:03 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6829A91 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:18:51 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604131650t381e1124gf13ace2104756c31@mail.gmail.com> References: <39AAFE7A-9597-4259-BFB1-4C2FE1411ACA@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131424u27b1f87pd4cc3c21a0bd036d@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c65f48$1afc6370$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> <74b0c9f30604131650t381e1124gf13ace2104756c31@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:18:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=vXzSsyBwRLyRrak_OvbNWAuGdV_S7YPG435fwt2erVItncLu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon AAww .. I'm envious of your trip to Carowinds. I really liked that park! Cameron. On Apr 13, 2006, at 18:50, Beth Aslakson wrote: > Yeah... we're going to have to leave Beech Bend early to get to > Carowinds for the day on Monday. > > On 4/13/06, Mark Oldfield wrote: >> I was thinking of doing a similar trip but the schedule didn't >> work out as Carowinds is closed from Tuesday-Thursday after >> Memorial Day. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth Aslakson >> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Holliwood Nights roll call >> >> >> I'll be there. I'm using the event to kick off an 11-day trip that >> will include a ton of parks. Beech Bend on Sunday, then on to >> Carowinds, Myrtle Beach, Wild Adventures, SFoG, Lake Winnie, >> Alabama >> Adventures (formerly Visionland... for Rip Roarin' Rampage >> event) and >> possibly stopping at Camden on the drive home. :) >> >> >> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ >> RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ >> RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 18:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62154 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 01:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 01:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 01:50:16 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o1so12097nzf for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.2 with SMTP id k2mr304657qbr; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:50:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6EE19BC8-3126-4D7D-BBF0-677AA33C5CFF@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <035F700D-52A0-4D90-A999-5AD118BF6E0B@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30604131240p4fd40affle7c1c73d2aa4ebab@mail.gmail.com> <2F8DFEC9-1ABE-4353-BF3E-B0D6337D5380@buzzneon.com> <6EE19BC8-3126-4D7D-BBF0-677AA33C5CFF@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Then: Moving... Now: I don't even know anymore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=OUdzCQO0UhizZwDmZ0D8K_tEFtQMDvEBpqNwgPkVJaNSSbQZJTBizZM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >>> ps: Six Flags Great America opens in just 10000 days!! > >> I sure hope they're going to have a new coaster if they're going to > >> wait for another 27 years to open! >I guess as the saying goes... there > are only 10 kinds of people in this world. those who understand > binary, and those who don't. I knew he was expressing the figure in binary. That's just so geeky, I had to call him out on it. > I'm surprised it doesn't open til so late though. SFGAd had its > opening day last week I think, not sure if that's just the climate or > something else. I'm actually surprised SFGAdv opens as early as it does. Now granted, SFGAm opens rather late in comparison to other parks in the country, but SFGAdv opens far earlier than other parks in areas with similar weather. I'm not sure why that is, other than "it's always been that way." -Nate From serpmage@juno.com Fri Apr 14 06:31:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52061 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 13:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 13:31:45 -0000 Received: from webmail45.lax.untd.com (webmail45.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.185]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCD9KAHAX3XU8J for (sender ); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:30:47 -0700 (PST) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail45.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LMWYKSUH; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:30:12 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail45.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:29:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:29:50 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060414.063012.11899.939963@webmail45.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:670771159 X-MAIL-INFO:4f2574393479c13471717914c114c921454180d430ddc4051d41454d856d7d34c4 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hALbekFb2/+bn9UBEmIAQeC8m1ZjLpEzEGQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.185|webmail45.lax.untd.com|webmail45.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=gLdOXb_NLLGICFHsioxNgcXDDtj0g3cPDNTGt8pyKuVt8TRROA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >Vancouver is an hour away from Whistler/Blackcomb .. You don't need=20=20 >roller-coasters! BLASPHEMER!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 14 08:11:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87848 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 15:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 15:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.171) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 15:11:14 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email01.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id AAZ94797; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c65fd5$964365f0$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:10:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email01.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.443FBA30.005C,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.1.5/2006-02-08 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: TR: BGT (the amu-zoo-ment park) Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=I54dceNBEtiWDFnQ7Iuo75t7wWsoSmm4ZLzi_quQZJq7uXdP X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just returned from two wonderful days at Busch Gardens-Tampa. (Is it a zoo, or is it an amusement park??) We were there from open-to close on Tuesday, 4/11 and spent most of the day on Wednesday, 4/12 (leaving at 6 pm w/ the park closing at 8 pm on both days.) In an effort to *try* and keep this TR as short as possible, I'll just type up a few of my thoughts about the park, some rides, and a couple of the shows...in no particular order. First off, though, I thought I'd offer a quick tip on lodging. (I seem to recall some posts from awhile back about people having some bad experiences with some of the hotels in the BGT area.) Jane Ann and I stayed at the Wingate Inn on Fowler Ave. It was clean and comfortable, and they provided a very nice continental breakfast that included: waffles, sausages, scrambled eggs, as well as the usual toast/pastries/etc. I would feel confident recommending this hotel to anyone. Their hotel literature stated that they are 0.8 miles away from Busch Gardens. I suppose in a pinch a person in reasonably good health could walk to the park; although by the time you crossed the entire parking lot and made it to the front gates, it would probably be closer to two miles. However, the Wingate does provide a free shuttle to/from the park, so we opted for that. Really, the only drawbacks to this hotel are as follows: 1) There really aren't any restaurants within an easy walking distance, 2) their shuttle runs hourly from 8 am to 6 pm. So, you'll have no problems making it to the park at opening, but will have to leave a little early when the park closes at 7 pm or later. and 3) the cab fare from the Tampa airport to this hotel was a rather hefty one. (a little over $40!) ONTO THE PARK!!! Even with my park map in hand, I found it kind of difficult to "get my bearings" when we first arrived. But, at the same time, I realized that this was actually a very *good* thing. The reason it was difficult to figure out exactly what path I was on, and where it was leading, is because there is lush vegetation EVERYWHERE in this park. Given the choice between an asphalt jungle where it's easy to get your bearings (i.e. SFKK) and the forested jungle where it's difficult to get your bearings (i.e. BGT,) I would opt for the forested jungle every time. One complaint I do have about the paths at BGT: the walkway between the Congo area and the Timbuktu area. Here, the path makes a kind of S-curve right in front of a very large, gated tower-like structure. The first time I saw that gated tower, I thought to myself (hmmm... don't want to go that way...it's a dead end.) And I found myself headed towards the far NW corner of the park and the River Rapids queue. Only after walking downhill and through the first part of that S-curve did I realize that this gated tower served no practical purpose (at least that I could tell!) On Wednesday, my wife and I had signed up for the "Serengeti Safari Tour." If you're into animals at all, this was very much worth the $35 upcharge. Here, they load you up onto flatbed trucks and take you out on a 40 minute tour of their Serengeti plain; where you get a close-up look at zebras, rhinos, giraffes, and other animals. You also get to feed the giraffes. Natasha, our guide, was friendly and knowledgeable, and our photographer, Don, took some really amazing pictures. (even though we had snapped off several photos with our digital camera, we still bought a few more from the park.) My wife, being a pro-park, but anti-coaster type of person, did not ride anything with me... save one: Rhino Rally. This was a very unique, one-of-a-kind ride that we both enjoyed. Early in the day, we had only about a 15 min. wait...we were about to board....when...."Due to techincal difficulties...the water portion of Rhino Rally is currently not in operation......." We went ahead and rode the land-rally portion only. Later in the day, when the entire ride was back in operation, the wait was more like 75 minutes. But lucky for us, George has connections!!! He saw some of his good buddies working the ride, flashed his platinum pass, and got us in through the handicapped entrance where we only waited about 20 mins. for our ride. George's son, Joseph was the navigator for our ride....(George you might tell him he should say "Turn right" next time. Oh well, at least he didn't tell our driver "Back Up." Ooooops.... was I not supposed to say that?) ;-) I asked Jane Ann if she thought I should buy one of those right-hand-drive Land Rovers for my mail route back home, but George informed me it would only set me back about $200,000. Well, that's enough for Part 1... I'll finish up later today. Thanks for reading!! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 08:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3127 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 15:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 15:36:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 15:35:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 15:35:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:35:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Cypress Gardens question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=IyyE_uTslJDXjCV_4vUwRwI2zoa22JYNJ_ItoNG12zpi1vS_PobXdRCeDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so as ive said before, we have a 5 month old. obviously too young to=20 ride anything, but would Cypress Gardens be a nice place just to put=20 the kid in the stroller and walk around, and if possible, for the=20 adults to ride something? hes very well behaved, but obviously a place=20 like say SF or IOA would be a little loud for him right now. is CG=20 fairly low key? are the lines for the few rides long? are the rides=20 there even worth getting in line for?=20 From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 09:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18366 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 16:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 16:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 16:29:37 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so66626uge for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.7 with SMTP id p7mr71224hup; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604140929t82ba7a1v8397c6249f727b63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:29:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=a-SOqf-crXYjQ7g7Bj1OLcZt3NTtNai8YwdNl81UgQpixBRp X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Ask Brian about his definition of "too young"... If I remember correctly, William saw a dozen different amusement parks before he was 1. Other than that, I'm not all that familiar with Cypress... won't get there until at least next year. On 4/14/06, Doug Nelson wrote: > so as ive said before, we have a 5 month old. obviously too young to > ride anything, but would Cypress Gardens be a nice place just to put > the kid in the stroller and walk around, and if possible, for the > adults to ride something? hes very well behaved, but obviously a place > like say SF or IOA would be a little loud for him right now. is CG > fairly low key? are the lines for the few rides long? are the rides > there even worth getting in line for? From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 14 10:12:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86833 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 17:12:01 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GQX69702; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:11:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c65fe6$87607440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:11:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090202.443FD69D.0005-E-coCCt3xEk/QRAXIN80juZg==, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: SBNO question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=oHJG43aBsQuh3i76B-zYB00mLczptlWlTmiNZr_kbokEu2WZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In preparation for part 2 of my BGT trip report, I was looking around online today at www.rcdb.com. I was surprised to learn that Steel Dragon 2000 at Nagashima Spaland has been SBNO since August of 2003. What's up with that? Can any of our international coaster crazies enlighten me? (Chris B.... I'm talkin to you!) Thanks, Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 12:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91267 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 19:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 19:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 19:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:20:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:20:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Williams Grove Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Q1RicXEzKcX_inNdJMDn9roxH5uOIkbqUrdLwwMR1ShI4VFSsmIa X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brooke"=20 wrote: > > WG has just changed their website. Now it says: >=20 > "NOTICE! > Williams Grove Amusement Park will not operate > this season unless we find a new management team." >=20 > At least there is some hope that it will reopen. But there is=20 still=20 > the problem that the only ride they have is the Cyclone. If they=20 get > a new management team they'll have to start with a clean slate. What happened? You mean everything except for the Cyclone is gone?=20 That does not bode well. Poking through the archives, Message #23177 indicated that the owner=20 was selling the park, and #23103 is a trip report from Nathan Brown=20 suggesting that the Cyclone may not be the best-maintained ACE=20 Coaster Classic out there. Adam From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 12:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57599 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 19:55:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:55:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: I'll be spending time in Indiana - suggestions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ndZrGdNi2p-LsIwzq4rM45rqrohK3tjXE4xjg-OMUnRC2pBn5DL6 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani My soon-to-be wife is going to be starting up a pharmacoeconomics=20 program with the University of Southern California that involves a=20 partnership with the Eli Lilly corporation. Through this, she'll be=20 taking some extended trips to Lilly HQ in Indianapolis, about 6=20 weeks this summer, a similar trip next summer, and then the entire=20 Spring semester in 2008. Then who knows, maybe she'll get a job and=20 relocate. Anyway, neither one of us has spent any practical time in the=20 Midwest. I'll be taking several long-weekend trips to visit her, and=20 we plan to spend some time exploring the region then. It looks like=20 Indianapolis has a nice zoo (with a family coaster to boot), but you=20 know I'm writing you guys to ask for recommendations on amusement=20 parks. From the RCDB, I can see that there is a whole slew of parks within=20 a day's drive of Indianapolis. From the looks of things, it looks=20 like it might be possible to do a 2 or 3-day trip in which we catch=20 Holiday World, King's Island, and maybe even Stricker's Grove if the=20 timing is right. Does that sound feasible? The broader questions: 1. How much time would you recommend spending at each of the=20 following parks? In other words, are they whole-day affairs that I=20 might want to get an overnight stay nearby for, or are they the=20 sorts of places I could drive to for a few hours, spend a few hours=20 at the park, and then drive back (or on to another location)? 2. Which are the best? Which would you prioritize? Why? We like=20 atmosphere, coasters (obviously), especially woodies, dark rides,=20 log flumes, landscaping, historical value, etc. Not so much the flat=20 rides. 3. What else would you recommend? Amusement areas without coasters,=20 historical sites, interesting towns, etc.? Here's what looks like a day's-drive-from-Indianapolis list of parks=20 with at least one full-size coaster: Indiana Beach Stricker's Grove Paramount's Kings Island Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom Holiday World Fun Spot (Angola, IN) Wyandot Lake Kiddieland (Melrose Park, IL - has a kid-sized woodie) Beech Bend Santa's Village Six Flags Great America Camden Park Cedar Point (duh) Michigan's Adventure Six Flags St. Louis Saginaw County Fairgrounds Geauga Lake Thanks, Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 13:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18114 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so110656ugf for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.48.16 with SMTP id v16mr80617huv; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604141352u30560eegb81aa79714230d1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:52:12 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] I'll be spending time in Indiana - suggestions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=p66h4wuMVxdRQj8pMxdiIl4WkGIfq40lsSTTxLhgSmTQTuQd X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/14/06, adamnvillani wrote: > From the RCDB, I can see that there is a whole slew of parks within > a day's drive of Indianapolis. From the looks of things, it looks > like it might be possible to do a 2 or 3-day trip in which we catch > Holiday World, King's Island, and maybe even Stricker's Grove if the > timing is right. Does that sound feasible? Absolutely feasable. > > The broader questions: > 1. How much time would you recommend spending at each of the > following parks? In other words, are they whole-day affairs that I > might want to get an overnight stay nearby for, or are they the > sorts of places I could drive to for a few hours, spend a few hours > at the park, and then drive back (or on to another location)? > 2. Which are the best? Which would you prioritize? Why? We like > atmosphere, coasters (obviously), especially woodies, dark rides, > log flumes, landscaping, historical value, etc. Not so much the flat > rides. > 3. What else would you recommend? Amusement areas without coasters, > historical sites, interesting towns, etc.? > > Here's what looks like a day's-drive-from-Indianapolis list of parks > with at least one full-size coaster: > > Indiana Beach Easily a full day and definitely someplace you'll want to visit if you like atmosphere. If staying in Indianapolis, there's no need to stay near the park. > Stricker's Grove Doesn't really need a full day, everything they have can be ridden in a few hours. > Paramount's Kings Island For a first time visit, spend the day. It's a great park, but after a few visits it doesn't really feel like there's anything pulling me there anymore. > Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom I'm not the best person to ask about this park, I can't stand it... someone else will be able to give more info though. > Holiday World Mecca. Doesn't necessarilly require an overnight stay if you're in Indianapolis, but for a small park it's still easy to spend two days without riding a lot of things.. their coasters tend to cause me to put on blinders and forget that the rest of the park is there, I'm sure Voyage won't be the exception to that. > Fun Spot (Angola, IN) Good for a quick stop enroute elsewhere if it's open. If you like camping, there's a really nice state park nearby. > Wyandot Lake Another quick stop. > Kiddieland (Melrose Park, IL - has a kid-sized woodie) This park is good for a half-day (can combine it with some of the FEC's with kiddie coasters and have a kiddie coaster day around Chicago if you want) really cool historical park with good atmosphere. > Beech Bend Haven't been yet... > Santa's Village They weren't open when I tried to go, haven't heard much good, but they're supposed to open with new owners this year I think. > Six Flags Great America Definitely worth a day or a whole weekend. Probably want to stay overnight from Indianapolis. > Camden Park haven't been yet... > Cedar Point (duh) duh > Michigan's Adventure take it or leave it, it's a love/hate park... Good for a few hours on a slow day, if you have the chance to, try and catch Timbers at night. Out of the way and a long-ish drive from Indianapolis. > Six Flags St. Louis It's Six Flags... not as good as their best parks, not as bad as their worst parks. > Saginaw County Fairgrounds Haven't been yet... > Geauga Lake Another take it or leave it, love/hate park. It's coming around to being a decent park in the last couple years though. Worth a stop, depending on crowds, it could be a full day. Other stuff you didn't mention... if you go a little ways beyond Chicago, there's the stuff up in the Dells, An hour or so beyond Geauga and you have Conneaut Lake and Kennywood which are both worth a visit also. We aren't hurting for coasters up here, just dont let the parks know that, ok? ;) As far as other stuff in the area... with you casting a net that wide, there's a lot. It really depends on what you'd look for. I know of several things that could be included in a quick weekend jog to Michigan's Adventure, there's obviously a ton of stuff around Cleveland or Chicago or Cincinatti or Louisville or St Louis. From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 14:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93325 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.116) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 21:04:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 96803 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 21:04:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060414210453.96801.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:04:53 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c65fe6$87607440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SBNO question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=pKfWvCIhftBA_9_wrAc74ZT_3dZJB9YFdtm4KBo88rSmCyiIkKhDRoOxww X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you see the picture of the sign? Underneath it says: =20=20=20 "Translation: "Due to the Steel Dragon 2000's being out of service, there= has been much confusion. We deeply apologize for this. At the moment, we a= re conducting investigations and implementing car checks. As for returning = to service, the specific time is still being considered. We appreciate your= understanding in this matter."" Jon Zerkel wrote: In preparation for part 2 of my BGT trip report, I was looking around onl= ine today at www.rcdb.com. I was surprised to learn that Steel Dragon 2000 at Nagashima Spaland has be= en SBNO since August of 2003. What's up with that? Can any of our interna= tional coaster crazies enlighten me? (Chris B.... I'm talkin to you!)=20=20 Thanks, Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 14:09:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76687 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 21:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 21:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 21:09:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 65098 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 21:03:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060414210304.65096.qmail@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:03:04 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Williams Grove Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=h-KaPLaTpfcZ88HEhQRL78lrFaCtYeYwTkmRWrfUb6RIX1f8C1pjcPtXJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >What happened? You mean everything except for the Cyclone is >gone? >That does not bode well. Yeah, a while ago Williams Grove sold all their rides besides the Cyclone, they are all on usedrides.com. Don't know what ad #, though I know some people who do know what exact numbers. >Poking through the archives, Message #23177 indicated that >the owner >was selling the park, and #23103 is a trip report from Nathan >Brown suggesting that the Cyclone may not be the best->maintained ACE Coaster Classic out there. I've never been on the Cyclone because the only time I went to WG was when I was probably 6, maybe 7 years old, and I didn't get interested in coasters until I was 10. But I have heard trip reports of people who've seen bolts popping out of the track and were wondering if they would come back to the station alive... My friend Leah isn't even allowed on coasters anymore because she got whiplash on the Cyclone. And the pictures I've seen reminded me of Lakemont's Leap the Dips lift hill while it was SBNO. What I've heard was they didn't sell the Cyclone because they thought it wouldn't even be worth refurbishing it and opening it up somewhere else. ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 14:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10763 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 21:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 21:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.198) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 21:32:41 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i1so138460nzh for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.205.5 with SMTP id h5mr1123837qbq; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:32:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] I'll be spending time in Indiana - suggestions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ax93XUPky5Pk5f9ipHwG_0-TvDtIoiDWHPH4fsMAjyzSvCUIoRDElZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I've been to most of the parks around Indianapolis, so I'd be happy to comment... >. From the looks of things, it looks > like it might be possible to do a 2 or 3-day trip in which we catch > Holiday World, King's Island, and maybe even Stricker's Grove if the > timing is right. Does that sound feasible? Perhaps this is what was meant by "if the timing is right," but realize that Strickers is only open to the public twice each summer. > Here's what looks like a day's-drive-from-Indianapolis list of parks > with at least one full-size coaster: > Indiana Beach Indiana Beach typically offers POP in two "sessions" throughout the days in the summer. You could easily do the park in one session provided that it isn't insanely busy. I'd definitely recommend the second session of the day, as this park is a great place to be at night. Seriously, there's nothing like spending a summer evening at Indiana Beach. Make sure to try all the coasters (even the Lost Coaster, because you have to just experience how terrible it is at least once). The park's two dark rides are fun too. > Stricker's Grove I haven't been to this park, as it's only open twice per year. From what I hear, a few hours would be sufficient for their two small in-house wooden coasters. > Paramount's Kings Island Definitely a full-day park, and even then you may not get to ride everything (depending on crowds). Ride Flight of Fear in the morning before lines get out of control. Don't miss riding the Beast at night. Even though you're not into flat rides, Tomb Raider is fun and Delirium is not to be missed. Drop Zone is also excellent, despite its inefficient operations. Son of Beast is a total piece of junk, but probably something that should be tried once. Make sure to take a few minutes to go up the Eiffel Tower. This is hands down one of my favorite parks in the country, but lines can get out of control at times. Use your best judgement of when to go (ie weekends bad, weekdays good) and you should be okay. If you're an ACE member, there's a walk back to the Beast every morning and a 50% discount on admission. > Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom If you're just here to ride coasters, SFKK can be done in half a day.=20 It's worth visiting for Chang and Thunder Run, but your extra time is better spent at the superior parks in the area. Don't miss Hellevator; even though it's one of the smallest Intamin drop rides in the country, it's one of the best. They don't have a log flume, but their rapids ride (Blizzard River) is great. Be careful, though, because capacity on Blizzard River is terrible. Don't visit on a busy day or an extremely hot day, and the park is enjoyable. Still, it's best to be prepared for the terrible operations you're bound to encounter. > Holiday World Holiday World is one of the best parks in the country, but unless you plan on visiting the waterpark or power riding the coasters, it can be done in half a day if necessary. Above all else, do NOT miss night rides on the coasters. This can be a little tricky to do because Holiday World is often not open past sunset, but you should try to visit on a day when they are if at all possible. They have a really fun log flume and rapids ride, but beyond those and the coasters, I wouldn't say there's anything that shouldn't be missed. Just enjoy your time at this fantastic park, do the little things, and relax.=20 There's no park like Holiday World. > Fun Spot (Angola, IN) Good luck! :-) Fun Spot is open for very limited hours, and Afterburner (their Arrow shuttle loop) seems to be down more often than not. If you're just going for coasters, you might not find the admission fee and pay-per-ride price worth it. I visited the park once a long time ago (Afterburner was, of course, closed) and have driven past about ten times since. The park wasn't open any of those ten times. > Wyandot Lake > Kiddieland (Melrose Park, IL - has a kid-sized woodie) > Beech Bend I haven't visited any of these prks (yet) so, unfortunately, I have no recommendations. > Santa's Village It's not worth it, if you ask me. I've driven past the park a few times, and even stood outside the entrance, but you'll pay $23 to ride what many have called one of the worst coasters in existence. Spend the money on gas to get to the Dells instead. :-) > Six Flags Great America Definitely a full-day park. Ride Deja Vu and V2 in the back. Sit on the right-hand side of the train on Batman. Back seat on Raging Bull, Viper, and American Eagle. Keep your head forward on Iron Wolf. Ride Superman in the back or front. SFGAm is easily my favorite park in the midwest. Enjoy. > Camden Park Haven't been. > Cedar Point (duh) Don't go on a busy day or you'll hate yourself. This is obviously a full-day park, and you could probably easily use a second day. There are tons of advice sites and opinions on Cedar Point out there, so I'm not going to say much, except don't pass up the CHOST (cheese-on-a-stick). I personally think Cedar Point is rather overrated, but it is a very nice park and it's extremely well operated. Millennium Force and Raptor are the only really stand-out coasters, but there's plenty of stuff to do here. Just don't stress out about trying to ride everything in one day and you'll be fine. > Michigan's Adventure This is a half-day park at most. Aside from Shivering Timbers, there's nothing really worthwhile here. Timbers is an awesome ride, though last time it wasn't operating particularly well. There's really nothing else here worth driving for (and that's being brutally honest). This park is ugly as hell. > Six Flags St. Louis I love Six Flags St. Louis, but you could do it in a half day if necessary. It's a rather interesting park, as it looks like a boy scout camp (seriously) but there's lots of fun stuff here. Don't miss the dark ride here, as it's different from the others at Six Flags parks (it's a boat!) and it's lots of fun. If the Boss beats the hell out of you, try it again (and be sure to ride in a non-wheel seat). I used to hate the Boss, but now I respect it and love it for what it is. Ride the hell out of Freeze because it's really that good. I know you said you're not into flats, but Excalibur is rare and fun. St. Louis can also just be a fun city to visit, and there's lots to do there (the Arch, Budweiser Brewery Tour, Grant Farm, the City Museum, and I hear they have a nice zoo). > Saginaw County Fairgrounds I have no idea what that is. > Geauga Lake I haven't been here since Six Flags packed up and moved out, but I've heard the crowds are basically gone, so you may enjoy it. Dominator is one of my favorite floorless coasters, and you should sit in the back for the best ride. Otherwise, there's nothing particularly stand-out here. Villain used to be great, but it turned into a piece of crap. This is actually a pretty small park, but there's a lot crammed in here. Other than these parks, you could probably make it to the Dells in six hours. If you combine the Dells with Six Flags Great America, it will definitely be a worthwhile trip. Hades and Avalanche are that good. I hope this helps! I know the upper midwest better than the area you'll primarily be in, so I can't help much with non-amusement park things. We went to Mammoth Cave once, which was fairly interesting, but I don't think I'd be in any hurry to go back. Chicago is a great city to visit in the summer, and there's tons to do here (just be prepared to pay for it). Above all else, get used to unpredictable weather...and lots and lots and LOTS of corn. :-) -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 14 14:55:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93507 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.232) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 21:55:20 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so107905wri for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.11.16 with SMTP id o16mr1134890qbi; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:55:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060414210453.96801.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c65fe6$87607440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> <20060414210453.96801.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SBNO question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=oXUl6jUiF7UnNmPHmuACAJqYQu9Aq1PKQ7f8krtjo-Fj2IQJJTbmJZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > "Translation: "Due to the Steel Dragon 2000's being out of service, ther= e has been much confusion. We deeply apologize for this. At the moment, we = are conducting investigations and implementing car checks. As for returning= to service, the specific time is still being considered. We appreciate you= r understanding in this matter."" I believe it's been closed since a wheel flew off and hit someone in the head. That was almost three years ago now. Apparently this is due to either supersitions or extreme regulations (or both) in Japan.=20 Meanwhile, Intamin rides are tossing people out left and right and enthusiasts are wondering why the t-bar isn't being used anymore. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 15:33:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61092 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 22:30:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 22:30:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2006 22:30:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:30:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604141352u30560eegb81aa79714230d1c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: I'll be spending time in Indiana - suggestions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dBYVJ1EvN5mUpUQRTD6xBIO_J1Vrx801rgcinwVjNE1WTKQPwYDE X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > As far as other stuff in the area... with you casting a net that=20 > wide, there's a lot. It really depends on what you'd look for. I=20 > know of several things that could be included in a quick weekend jog=20 > to Michigan's Adventure, there's obviously a ton of stuff around > Cleveland or Chicago or Cincinatti or Louisville or St Louis. Thanks for the advice. It seems like while Indianapolis (or most of=20 the other places around there besides Chicago) isn't anybody's idea of=20 the most thrilling town in the world to visit, there certainly seems=20 to be enough things to do in these places for repeated weekend trips,=20 plus plenty of small places to see on the way. The fact that I have=20 essentially zero experience with the Midwest will make everything=20 there new to me. (To illustrate, check out my county-counting map--- I've been up and=20 down both coasts and across the southern part of the country, but the=20 extent of my travels in the Midwest was driving over the bridge into=20 Marietta, Ohio on Christmas 1997 and then turning right back around=20 into West Virginia. The travels in the Northeast were all either in=20 the winter or as a baby, so I haven't hit any of the amusement parks.) http://www.mob-rule.com/counties/user-gifs/adamvillani.gif Make your own county-counting map here: http://www.mob-rule.com/counties Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 14 15:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81334 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 22:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2006 22:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 22:41:55 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GQZ39415; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c66014$6e5ba4f0$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090201.444023A1.0022-A-, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: TR: BGT (the amu-zoo-ment park) part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=HSSKrW6Ln84LAV_VrYBVDxooPHn9v-UR1KfgvNR-a0SPhAdn X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In part 2, I'll focus a little more on some of the rides/shows/attractions that we enjoyed during our 2 day stay. We weren't planning to meet up with George and family until about 4 pm... so just after lunch on Tuesday, I decided I could wait no longer for my first coaster ride in nearly two years. I hopped on for a 3rd-row ride on Montu, and really enjoyed this inverted steelie. The dives into-out of-and through the concrete/brick tunnels made for some really neat visual effects. Finally met up with George and we first grabbed a ride on Gwazi-Lion. George tells me this dueling woodie gets an undeserved bad rep for beating people up. Honestly, I didn't think it was that bad... certainly not nearly as rough as The Boss at SFStL! On Gwazi, I really enjoyed the quick double dip out of the loading station before you engaged the lift hill. During the ride, I enjoyed the banked turns on the first half of the ride, while there was some nice airtime during the 2nd half of the ride. Of course I don't know for sure, but I would estimate some of those banked turns on Gwazi at about 60 degrees...it makes my mouth water all the more for those 90 degree turns on Holiday World's new woodie!!! Thanks to George and his Platinum pass, we hopped across the loading platform for a ride on Tiger without having to re-queue. A little rougher than Lion, but still a lot of fun. It just seems a shame to me that Gwazi has become "the dueling coaster that never duels." George said he's seen the two trains dispatched simultaneously only once in about two years. Really sad. Onto BGT's newest coaster, Sheikra. In all honesy, I was a little nervous about riding America's only dive coaster... and for one reason only... that 5-second pause right at the precipice before your 90 degree dive. George convinced me all would be well, and we had only about a 15 min. wait. As we climbed that 200 ft. tall lift hill, we tried to shiled our eyes from a blazing 5-o'clock western sun..... we turned the corner....barely creeped over that first-drop precipice.....and stopped. and I said, "I AM NOT LIKING THIS PART!!!!" while another gentleman in the first row simultaneously screamed "I AM LOVING THIS!!!!" and then, mercifully, five seconds later, down we plunged... with me laughing and screaming with delight. This coaster was smooth as glass... as George said, after all, "It's a Beemer." It was interesting to learn that the park can change a cone attachment on the rear of the train, which dramatically changes the amount of splash/ spray as the coaster dives through that pool near the end. Also, it was interesting to compare the loading operations of Gwazi (one of the worst I've ever seen) to that of Sheikra (one of the best you'll find anywhere.) All in all, great fun, on a great coaster. Grabbed a very tasty barbecued chicken dinner at the Zambia Smokehouse. (We had smelled the delicious aromas earlier in the day when we chugged past on our train ride) It was excellent, and with George's platinum pass discount, not terribly over-priced. Next, George, Joseph, and I headed to the back of the park for a quick ride on Kumba. IMHO, this coaster looked better than it rode. The placement of the Cobra Roll under, then over, then back under the River Rapids queue bridge was very clever. (But also very loud for those in line.) Also, George informed me that Kumba just received a new coat of paint earlier this year. But, I was just the right height that my earlobes got banged around pretty good on the OTSRs. I did Python and Scorpion by myself on Wednesday. Python...a typical Arrow Corkscrew. I went up. I went down. I went around and around. And 50 seconds later, it was over. 'Nuff said. Scorpion...This was a whole lotta fun neatly tucked into a tiny little footprint. I was a little surprised to engage the lift hill immediately (and I do mean IMMEDIATELY!) out of the loading platform. Surprised simply because I don't recall riding any other coasters that do that... I'm sure there must be others out there that do? But those ground hugging helixes were just a ton of fun. Especially that triple helix at the end. As George put it... one of those "big silly grin coasters." I rode twice on Wednesday. Decided to skip on the Cheetah Chase... Wild Mice I can take em or leave em. Well, that's it for Part 2... I'll type up a few final thoughts about the shows and animals probably late tomorrow afternoon. Thanks again for reading. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 17:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30003 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 00:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 00:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.58) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 00:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72898 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 00:22:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415002255.72896.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.234.26] by web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:55 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145024086.442.93663.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WcBovdUuyDoPWLuzXjp3wXVLfQ6HsSxIRVOo86Loab5OsM3ZL5iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This puzzles me. Why is this particular ride causing these deaths? It app= ears the riders had pre-existing conditions. But Mission Space was probabl= y not the only ride they went on during their visit. I'm curious as to whe= ther the centrifuge experience is at fault, whether it's a combination of t= hat ride plus others the guests may have ridden, or whether is just a set o= f tragic coincidences. Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 17:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96749 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 00:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 00:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 00:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 49078 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 00:24:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415002422.49076.qmail@web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.234.26] by web37414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:24:22 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:24:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145024086.442.93663.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: SFNE readies for opening day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9yj-oFWo5gFkoDlG7Wf6jjs0mUQizVQwBfQyLOeg2ZhScv-zd15d X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was in the local paper today: > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-3/114500127219400.xml?nnme < Jay --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Apr 14 17:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81444 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EBB9A91 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:35 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'll be spending time in Indiana - suggestions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=korIXYi6WX5pH-1T79CtI4m1nS9vAYQrJPFFsBHQotGS-57Y X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The fact that I have essentially zero experience with the Midwest > will make everything > there new to me. I actually really like the mid-west, which is strange since it's so different from Melbourne (Australia, not Florida). I've visited the east coast (love it) and west coast (California - loath it), but I really feel comfortable in the mid-west. Now many people don't consider Chicago to be 'true' midwest, but I spend a great deal of time around Chicago .. so "Nyrr" to those people! Anyway, I can't guarantee you'll like it out here, but I can guarantee that it's different to both the east and west coasts. I have an acquaintance in Indy (if you want a contact when you arrive - he's a little boring, though!). I also plan to visit Indy Beach at least once this summer, so we can meet down there. Regardless of how you feel about the mid-west, you almost certainly won't be lonely. Cameron. ps: Beth wasn't wrong about Indiana Beach having atmosphere .. if you like nerdy photos: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/indiana_beach_2003/ http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/indiana_beach_2005/ From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 14 19:28:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77011 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 02:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 02:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 02:28:41 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GRA31247; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c66034$4ae89440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:28:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090206.44405912.0014-A-, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Nate and SFStL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=S-lo0GxInVoxC1u9x1D_9XA1Gn-m_wEXULjoyqx2URjeD2sC X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate K. wrote: > Six Flags St. Louis I love Six Flags St. Louis, but you could do it in a half day if necessary. It's a rather interesting park, as it looks like a boy scout camp (seriously) but there's lots of fun stuff here. I did a double take when I read that excerpt from our very own Nate K. Uhhh... Nate, are you feeling OK? This certainly doesn't sound like the review you gave to SFStL when I saw you about 5 years back at Stark Raven Mad. (IIRC, you and one of the other then-list members did a day trip over to StL on Saturday.) You had NOTHING good to say about that park back then. As for me, if given the option of only one, I'd choose Holiday World over SFStL any day (I think most of us would,) since I am centrally located to both parks. But SFStL will always have a special place in my heart, because it was here that I rode my first coaster (The Screamin Eagle waaaaaaay back in 1977.) Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 14 19:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27480 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 02:33:38 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GRA33064; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:33:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c66034$fd064410$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:33:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090209.44405A3F.0008-A-, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: RE: Things to do in the Midwest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=U1dTkplMnBo1bOmlwdFLiAUXEa7QVe42BQTuQZnCQ9ukYKzo X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Holiday World Holiday World is one of the best parks in the country, but unless you plan on visiting the waterpark or power riding the coasters, it can be done in half a day if necessary. Above all else, do NOT miss night rides on the coasters. This can be a little tricky to do because Holiday World is often not open past sunset, but you should try to visit on a day when they are if at all possible. They have a really fun log flume and rapids ride, but beyond those and the coasters, I wouldn't say there's anything that shouldn't be missed. Just enjoy your time at this fantastic park, do the little things, and relax. There's no park like Holiday World. I agree with all of the above. The "dry" park can easily be done in half-a-day. But if you or your kids are water park fans at all, then I would definitely recommend a two-day-stay. And the best way to get night rides on HW's woodies is to sign up for one of their ERT events. I'm so glad they finally decided to bring that back... but sadly, it's looking doubtful that I will make it to Holiwood Nights this year. :-( Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 01:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61119 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 08:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 08:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 08:28:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 08:28:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 08:28:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:28:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c65fe6$87607440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: SBNO question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=NXzm8zFPmWV1hnrheGx5Q30rnzwPVaY7O5rToVioaWs1t1TGjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zerkel" wrote: > > In preparation for part 2 of my BGT trip report, I was looking around online today at www.rcdb.com. >=20 > I was surprised to learn that Steel Dragon 2000 at Nagashima Spaland has been SBNO since August of 2003. What's up with that? Can any of our international coaster crazies enlighten me? >=20 > (Chris B.... I'm talkin to you!)=20=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Well, there's been some rumor discussion about this on one of the Japanese sites. (I was sent a link to it. I think it was http://bbs6.fc2.com/php/e.php/coaster/ ) Apparently, someone called and asked about the status of SD2K, and was not given th old canned response about the park having many other wonderful rides. The caller claims that the investigation is (finally) over, the park was found to be not responsible, (Ouch, that sounds bad for Morgan!) and that they are beginning to take the necessary steps to reopen the ride. They did not claim to know what the steps to reopen the ride would entail, or how long it would take for certain, only that the park HOPES to be able to reopen the ride in time for the busy period in August.=20 If you don't know the details of the accident, the word has gotten jumbled over the intervening years, but a wheel or wheel assembly came off the train, landed in the waterpark, and (possibly) killed a man. The train either ground to a halt, causing discomfort to minor injury to the riders or made it back to the station unharmed depending on where you read. It happened before I got here, so I don't know for certain.=20 If it does in fact reopen, you can be certain that I will be making a return trip to Nagashima Spaland to 'test ride' it for myself! Chris B From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat Apr 15 06:49:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39653 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 13:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 13:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 13:38:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8055 invoked by uid 99); 15 Apr 2006 13:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415133803.8054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 15 Apr 2006 08:38:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.130.195 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jon and SFStL (first coaster ride) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=KaBVkqAQJZfLpM9kJua8lb-Z1yTYyPgeupWbLXuOrHIpBkir X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Jon, I beat you by three years. The Screamin Eagle was also my first coaster ride (way back in 1974!) but was also my dad's last coaster ride--he said it was too hard on his back. When I look back at this trip today, I have to realize that one of these years, I am no longer going to be able to ride them either. I am now two years older than my dad was in '74. > > But SFStL will always have a special place in my heart, because it was here that I rode my first coaster (The Screamin Eagle waaaaaaay back in 1977.) > > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) > Dave Rounds From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Apr 15 07:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 14:38:26 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FUlun-0006rQ-7G for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:38:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4441055E.1060801@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:38:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a975f9529f154f146fbbf6fd83308806bcee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tOu6BTuNJMZy6uEMWNI7X4ZswGm-K4uKNnR9xB5iCpy4-P0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > so as ive said before, we have a 5 month old. obviously too young to > ride anything, but would Cypress Gardens be a nice place just to put > the kid in the stroller and walk around, and if possible, for the > adults to ride something? hes very well behaved, but obviously a place > like say SF or IOA would be a little loud for him right now. is CG > fairly low key? are the lines for the few rides long? are the rides > there even worth getting in line for? > CG is absolutely a great place to go. Lots of gardens to just wander around it and see. The ride area has a good selection of rides for all tastes, including a few that you could take him on. Lines when we have been there have been generally short and not a problem. They also have a few shows, ranging from the overly cheesy to the point of being funny (the pirates treasure show), to odd and fascinating (the living fountain) to not quite spectacular but pretty decent big shows (ice skating and musicals), along with the water ski show that they have been known for. It's a park that you can easily fall in love with, and has become a favorite for us to just go sit, relax, and watch people along with a couple of rides. It's also the cheapest park in central florida. :) The nice thing with the move is that we'll be about 15-20 minutes from the park- a nice easy drive. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Apr 15 07:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70291 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 14:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 14:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 14:45:00 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FUm0n-0002v1-O5 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <444106D5.8040208@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:44:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060415002255.72896.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060415002255.72896.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a975c65c8bc6058176f6da7126945ca29f7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=do9VHqknOF-ap7xUQJkw7v_nHIislgGsMNQqT9YPYfXjcNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > This puzzles me. Why is this particular ride causing these deaths? It > appears the riders had pre-existing conditions. But Mission Space was > probably not the only ride they went on during their visit. I'm curious > as to whether the centrifuge experience is at fault, whether it's a > combination of that ride plus others the guests may have ridden, or > whether is just a set of tragic coincidences. > Good question. The only thing I've heard is that it might be because of the sustained g-forces. But even those aren't all that strong. According to the Orlando Sentinel it maintains about 2 g's, which isn't that much. But it's also the ride that has the highest reports of injury and illness at the park, and the only one with barf bags on it. I've heard from several with iron stomachs that it got to them a bit. So there's something up with it seemingly. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 09:21:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81799 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 16:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 16:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 16:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20848 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 16:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415162116.20846.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:21:16 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <444106D5.8040208@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=MnFRvtXDNUuigv8oPR2gjMBejblpS6c9H02gERTyw3mFsmLC0Gc6yaHoFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Good question. The only thing I've heard is that it >might be because o= f=20 >the sustained g-forces. But even those aren't all >that strong.=20 >According to the Orlando Sentinel it maintains about 2 >g's, which isn't=20 >that much. I've heard that too, but what I've heard was that it wasn't the amount of= g forces, but how long you are exposed to the g forces. Apparently there a= re around four periods of time where you get almost half a minute of about = 2 gs. ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 09:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68682 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.116) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 16:23:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 94693 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2006 16:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060415162330.94691.qmail@web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:23:30 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:23:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060415133803.8054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jon and SFStL (first coaster ride) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=QA5SbljyvEG_BNX6ArRX5NCuK12V1RBJR7gb857jvm2L1BrjYc7TDsmZZA X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Screamin' Eagle didn't open until 1976... "David R. Rounds" wrote: Jon, I beat you by three yea= rs. The Screamin Eagle was also my first coaster ride (way back in 1974!)=20 but was also my dad's last coaster ride--he said it was too hard on=20 his back. When I look back at this trip today, I have to realize that one of=20 these years, I am no longer going to be able to ride them either. I=20 am now two years older than my dad was in '74. >=20 > But SFStL will always have a special place in my heart, because it=20 was here that I rode my first coaster (The Screamin Eagle waaaaaaay=20 back in 1977.) >=20 > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) >=20 Dave Rounds Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS=20 Roller coaster Theme park=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS=20 =20=20=20=20 Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. =20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- =20=20 ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Apr 15 09:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84160 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 16:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 16:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.193) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 16:27:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 14759 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 2006 16:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 16:26:56 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FUnbr-0004pK-VR for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:26:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060415162116.20846.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060415162116.20846.qmail@web37101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89335D4C-7D30-4AD2-AEB7-5D75C45AA163@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:31:36 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=qxOnTOIHe8p9Y51HYNEWmkEytku9IEFTnXBW0jNb8OnwDv6bO-A4 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Good question. The only thing I've heard is that it >might be >> because of >> the sustained g-forces. But even those aren't all >that strong. >> According to the Orlando Sentinel it maintains about 2 >g's, which >> isn't >> that much. > I've heard that too, but what I've heard was that it wasn't the > amount of g forces, but how long you are exposed to the g forces. > Apparently there are around four periods of time where you get > almost half a minute of about 2 gs. Thats not much different than the centrifuges they have at carnivals, I'd be surprised if they didn't pull more than 2g's. But it also depends in what direction it is applied in. Mike From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Sat Apr 15 10:32:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41814 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 17:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 17:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 17:32:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:32:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <444106D5.8040208@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.203.52.73 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=hSx439ZFp_-tQRt-LuMBYZabMvrLAl8SE3_wJvJFNpR0RphmzJV1MVs X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Jay Ducharme wrote: > > This puzzles me. Why is this particular ride causing these deaths? = =20 > Good question. The only thing I've heard is that it might be because of=20 > the sustained g-forces. But even those aren't all that strong.=20 > According to the Orlando Sentinel it maintains about 2 g's, which isn't=20 > that much. Maybe it was the hospitals fault... (ooh I am naughty!) >=20 > But it's also the ride that has the highest reports of injury and=20 > illness at the park, and the only one with barf bags on it. I've heard=20 > from several with iron stomachs that it got to them a bit. So there's=20 > something up with it seemingly. >=20 I felt rather queasy for about an hour after riding the first time - 2nd time didn't feel ill at all! From lance@screamscape.com Sat Apr 15 12:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96926 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 19:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 19:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 19:23:43 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3FJNg0n027977 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <076e01c660c2$1ef03b20$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060415002255.72896.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=p75_SbRLXAedJACyS6qlp2AIPZa5aEZSJaqEFEEynoQBkODnx6JrTvckbg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I'll just throw this out there... people know me and I'll ride damn near anything and love every minute of it, but when it comes to riding Mission: Space, I've got a 50/50 track record. Sometimes I can ride and come out just fine and the other half of the time, I come off and just feel messed up for hours. In fact, the last 2 or 3 times I've been on it, I haven't felt too good, and the last time was the worst where I was messed up for the rest of the evening. Ever since my wife has pretty much banned me from riding it. Lance Screamscape.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Ducharme" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim This puzzles me. Why is this particular ride causing these deaths? It appears the riders had pre-existing conditions. But Mission Space was probably not the only ride they went on during their visit. I'm curious as to whether the centrifuge experience is at fault, whether it's a combination of that ride plus others the guests may have ridden, or whether is just a set of tragic coincidences. Jay --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? 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Terms of Service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianipod@aim.com Sat Apr 15 16:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ianipod@aim.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55379 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 23:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2006 23:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 23:45:41 -0000 Received: from ianipod@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2f7.376a273 (57881) for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d16 (mblk-d16.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.8]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e2194441859f8a; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:45:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:45:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82EFDD5B5B6F3-578-1A1A@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 207.237.229.227 by mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:45:37 -0400 X-Mailer: AIM WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.8 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: ianipod@aim.com Subject: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=262304360; y=p6Derxh8sZ6hTWShaj5SIuzBXEE4fw7zRVqC4f7cpdnSBRY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i rode that ride when it opened and i felt fine after. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 17:36:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24323 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 00:36:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85538 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2006 00:36:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060416003644.85536.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.2.174] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:36:44 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:36:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145109523.409.31827.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: BGT (the amu-zoo-ment park) part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0qJX9O2OX2QxgwfQlZy-CF2AiSowMMW3tzbnaAM3ABVXhfK_y8Wb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great TRs Jon! > Scorpion...This was a whole lotta fun neatly tucked into a tiny little footprint. I was a little surprised to engage the lift hill immediately (and I do mean IMMEDIATELY!) out of the loading platform. Surprised simply because I don't recall riding any other coasters that do that... I'm sure there must be others out there that do? < The old Soquet looper (Quantum Loop at Seabreeze) and SROS at SFNE come to mind. And most kiddie coasters have the lift right out of the station. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 18:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77528 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 01:17:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:17:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604140929t82ba7a1v8397c6249f727b63@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.128.116.110 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Cypress Gardens question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=x5XVchGs07n2-KJglahytFZlr-LPJ9yEOwiMknkg9Ovjpvw64vT1 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > On 4/14/06, Doug Nelson wrote: > > we have a 5 month old. obviously too young to > > ride anything, but would Cypress Gardens be a nice place just to put > > the kid in the stroller and walk around, and if possible, for the > > adults to ride something? hes very well behaved, but obviously a=20 place > > like say SF or IOA would be a little loud for him right now. is CG > > fairly low key? are the lines for the few rides long? are the rides > > there even worth getting in line for? > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > > Ask Brian about his definition of "too young"... If I remember > correctly, William saw a dozen different amusement parks before he=20 was 1. Yeah, William is becoming quite the little coaster tool. Got him his=20 22nd credit last weekend at the I-X Indoor Amusement Park.=20=20 Beth's right, we had taken him to about a dozen parks before his first=20 birthday, but most of them were close to it, since it's August and we=20 didn't go to any over the winter. In his case, I decided that=20 amusement parks are good for infants. He was fascinated by the lights,=20 sounds, people, and movement. We'd hold him and point to the rides and=20 he would even follow the coasters as they went around the tracks. I=20 think at even 5 months, CG would be a good choice. It's very laid=20 back, very pretty, and since all the noisy rides are concentrated in=20 one area, the rest (the gardens) is quiet.=20=20 Here's George's TR from Oct: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/23761 And a small follow up I wrote: (we visited the week before him) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/message/24050 Enjoy... It seems to me the more you expose the kids to early, the less=20 of a pansy they'll be when they keep growing up. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Apr 15 21:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92493 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 04:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 04:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 04:26:15 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EBD9A91 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060416003644.85536.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060416003644.85536.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38E95D4E-4AF4-4F47-AC5A-BC0F9DA32C09@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:26:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT (the amu-zoo-ment park) part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=G7nAgzUoD4FUCHXRlEcb9SkMXBbNEIcPmTfsgQqzr5N79z5b X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Scorpion...This was a whole lotta fun neatly tucked into a tiny >> little footprint. I was a little surprised to engage the lift >> hill immediately (and I do mean IMMEDIATELY!) out of the loading >> platform. Surprised simply because I don't recall riding any other >> coasters that do that... I'm sure there must be others out there >> that do? > > The old Soquet looper (Quantum Loop at Seabreeze) and SROS at SFNE > come to mind. And most kiddie coasters have the lift right out of > the station. The Batman The Ride clones all do this too, it's cool. As does Millennium Force, and a few (all?) of the other Intamin cable lift coasters. Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 00:10:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78769 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 07:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 07:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 07:10:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060416003644.85536.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: BGT (the amu-zoo-ment park) part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CQRVAwMsGj2lZmdlPkYJrQD3x_9aQdKfYSXGJCzlacNDo4xXDg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > >=20 > Great TRs Jon! >=20 > > Scorpion...This was a whole lotta fun neatly tucked into a tiny little=20 > footprint. I was a little surprised to engage the lift hill=20 > immediately (and I do mean IMMEDIATELY!) out of the loading platform. Surprised=20 > simply because I don't recall riding any other coasters that do that...=20 > I'm sure there must be others out there that do? < >=20 > The old Soquet looper (Quantum Loop at Seabreeze) and > SROS at SFNE come to mind. And most kiddie coasters have the > lift right out of the station. >=20 > Jay Er, Millenium Force? Schwartzkopf Looping Stars, do it too. Chris B > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 15:55:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78408 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2006 22:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2006 22:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.58) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2006 22:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 91766 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2006 22:55:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060416225504.91764.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.0.133] by web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:04 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145193456.385.19498.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Disney's Mission Space claims a second victim X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Drk9YWk2WuiJOLnrmV5hJecQ5anEA-MpjUI4z2DY_GBkUiIlvACC X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Maybe it was the hospitals fault... (ooh I am naughty!) < No, you may be correct. One of my more depressing memories is of the last = year Mountain Park was opened. It was near the end of the season. Some te= enagers were on the miniature train ride around the golf course. As it wen= t into the curving tunnel, one of them forcibly rocked the train car back a= nd forth, knocking it off the track. The car tipped on its side and dragge= d the kid into the wall of the tunnel. Amazingly, the kid got up afterward and was standing around the nearby mini= golf course. The park called an ambulance to take him to the local hospit= al so he could be checked out. The kid went right to the hospital, and then sat there in the waiting area = for four hours until he died of internal bleeding. If the hospital had te= nded to him right away, he would have probably still been alive today. Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Apr 17 07:34:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90185 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 14:34:21 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k3so366619ugf for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.13.18 with SMTP id 18mr159692hum; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0604170734n289cc107iaa9ea6efc501e8aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:34:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060414210304.65096.qmail@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060414210304.65096.qmail@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Williams Grove Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=0LKAL5jfTTu7Yk1V33iQ3S77VLgvgcP3EPqsp_tUi4fVRP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The rides are for sale, most of them have not been sold. Some of the rides, including the Wildcat, will be refurbished and find a new life. Adam On 4/14/06, Brooke G. wrote: > > >What happened? You mean everything except for the Cyclone is >gone? > >That does not bode well. > Yeah, a while ago Williams Grove sold all their rides besides the Cyclone, > they are all on usedrides.com. Don't know what ad #, though I know some > people who do know what exact numbers. > >Poking through the archives, Message #23177 indicated that >the owner > >was selling the park, and #23103 is a trip report from Nathan >Brown > suggesting that the Cyclone may not be the best->maintained ACE Coaster > Classic out there. > I've never been on the Cyclone because the only time I went to WG was > when I was probably 6, maybe 7 years old, and I didn't get interested in > coasters until I was 10. But I have heard trip reports of people who've seen > bolts popping out of the track and were wondering if they would come back to > the station alive... My friend Leah isn't even allowed on coasters anymore > because she got whiplash on the Cyclone. And the pictures I've seen reminded > me of Lakemont's Leap the Dips lift hill while it was SBNO. What I've heard > was they didn't sell the Cyclone because they thought it wouldn't even be > worth refurbishing it and opening it up somewhere else. > > > ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 13:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75621 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 20:39:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 82518 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2006 20:39:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060417203937.82516.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.245.95] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:39:37 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:39:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , Rich Boehmer , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=O05fsO3hYG9GBySgfq5C9PVAUyyAr9m66Vw9azNPTq-yJQ8cf0q4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems a little late in the game, but a guy named Scott Lanciani is attem= pting to resuscitate long-gone Whalom Park. I'm skeptical of his plan: to = get people to donate as future shareholders of the park. So far there's on= ly a single page to the website. But for the curious: > http://www.whalomparkownershipprogram.com/ < Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Apr 17 16:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93044 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 23:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2006 23:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 23:15:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1779 invoked by uid 99); 17 Apr 2006 23:15:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060417231554.1777.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 17 Apr 2006 18:15:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jon and SFStL (first coaster ride) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=VvNQbSLdBRcuJS7kVbDDHUwG4yJKa9yXKnf8r4MdDB7534mn X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Sorry about that, after 30 years, the memory does get a bit rusty... I knew we went there the first year the ride opened and I thought it was the year after I graduated from college but actually it was another year later. (actually confirmed that it was '76 -- looked at some of my old black & white photos -- date on edge of print said "JUL 76"). The only fact that changes is that I am now the same age my dad was then. > Screamin' Eagle didn't open until 1976... > > "David R. Rounds" wrote: Jon, I beat you by three years. > The Screamin Eagle was also my first coaster ride (way back in 1974!) > but was also my dad's last coaster ride--he said it was too hard on > his back. > When I look back at this trip today, I have to realize that one of > these years, I am no longer going to be able to ride them either. I > am now two years older than my dad was in '74. > > > > > But SFStL will always have a special place in my heart, because it > was here that I rode my first coaster (The Screamin Eagle waaaaaaay > back in 1977.) > > > > Jon Z > > (Zerkel, not Zucker) > > > > Dave Rounds Dave Rounds From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 02:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34226 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 09:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 09:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 09:44:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 09:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 09:44:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060417203937.82516.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=bD8vB66BDAE0f_3hW2NSK1oiZ2AafW5AdD9JhnId7rtbQjseeA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 OMG! He employs child labor! Quote: This website was created by Stephanie J. Lanciani Age:14 /quote Meh, this really doesn't strike me as a particularly probable scheme=20 to reopen the park. At least he hasn't forgotten! Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > It seems a little late in the game, but a guy named Scott Lanciani=20 is attempting to resuscitate long-gone Whalom Park. I'm skeptical of=20 his plan: to get people to donate as future shareholders of the=20 park. So far there's only a single page to the website. But for the=20 curious: >=20 > > http://www.whalomparkownershipprogram.com/ < >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for=20 just 2=A2/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Apr 18 04:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74934 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 11:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 11:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 11:04:06 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FVnzi-00061g-D2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4444C795.7090902@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:03:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a975efab782b986fc0c55feaf32f8776721b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FKF6VRWGY129z1RUT4Q4GcUrc0EcqTVFYg266cProLWKXcM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > OMG! He employs child labor! > > Quote: > This website was created by Stephanie J. Lanciani Age:14 > /quote > > Meh, this really doesn't strike me as a particularly probable scheme > to reopen the park. At least he hasn't forgotten! > Especially not when you take a closer look at the page. On the right side in small print is their "calendar" which says: 08/1/05 - Program Began w/ Scott A. Lanciani and Stephanie J. Lanciani 04/16/08---- A hopeful park will be reopened. So the 14 year old that designed the page is also one of the two that started the program. My guess is the other one is her brother, based on the last name. Oh, and nothing has happened on it in over 8 months. Sad, because I'm sure that these two kids have a great heart for the park, but I don't see this going anywhere. :( keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Apr 18 04:39:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81434 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 11:39:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 11:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 11:37:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:37:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4444C795.7090902@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=F1csqjcbytkQvEtKxYDYf0uMPu5-7CqrKVAehnLLSIvXUm0-e-sqlg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > So the 14 year old that designed the page is also one of the two that=20 > started the program. My guess is the other one is her brother, based on= =20 > the last name. >=20 I think it's actually her dad, since the description refers to him as a "ma= n." He also wrote a=20 letter to a local paper about trying to reopen it: http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_a= rticle.jsp? article=3D2799533 In any event, I certainly agree that it's a long uphill road, and they're u= nlikely to get there. From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 12:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56038 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 19:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 19:28:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.14.61.182 From: "dreamwave6" Subject: Discovery World (Taiwan)? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=CBSevrRDBvb2HGQcO37ATRS3qoxcrSChW6q2OSqW8OY4l7mpww X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Hi everyone, I'm going to Taipei, Taiwan on business in June and want to go to=20 Discovery World to ride GravityMax (Vekoma's only tilt coaster in the=20 world). Have any of you ever been to Discovery World? If so, what=20 did you think? I'm having a hard time finding information about how=20 to get there and so forth. (I will need to rely on public=20 transportation as I will not be renting a car during my visit.) Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Andrew From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 16:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23689 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 23:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 23:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 23:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 89561 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 23:42:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060418234211.89559.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.225.224] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:42:11 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:42:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Whalom video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UM_251Pb8AXrwzMeiP1JTQO3Zj9FKV8jYhBekwxkZcosqG2wDqDT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A neighbor told me he saw a video about Whalom Park on the local cable acce= ss station out here. He said that my name was credited prominently with ha= ving worked on it. But I've never been involved in such a project. I'm just wondering if anyone else has heard about such a video and who made= it. I found a new video by a high school kid: > http://www.der.org/films/whalom-park.html < That might be it, but at $124 for a copy (on MiniDV tape, of all things!) t= here's no way I'm buying it. (Yeah, I know it says "educational price," bu= t the least they could do is publish a "consumer price.") Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Apr 18 16:52:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55934 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 23:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 23:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-15.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.115) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 23:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5647 invoked by uid 0); 18 Apr 2006 23:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 23:52:07 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVzzL-0006ls-Nu for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:52:07 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060418234211.89559.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060418234211.89559.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:56:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Whalom video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=7hFZpSr_eNJMwJ4jLmG7Eay3qfbYV45nciaJjIkxUSiWTNStmnH6 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > A neighbor told me he saw a video about Whalom Park on the local > cable access station out here. He said that my name was credited > prominently with having worked on it. But I've never been involved > in such a project. > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has heard about such a video and > who made it. I found a new video by a high school kid: > >> http://www.der.org/films/whalom-park.html < > > That might be it, but at $124 for a copy (on MiniDV tape, of all > things!) there's no way I'm buying it. (Yeah, I know it says > "educational price," but the least they could do is publish a > "consumer price.") Maybe they meant Yen and not $? Thats a little over the top for a 34 minute video... and I thought the video club I'm in at my college was ripping people off for charging 20$ for a DVD of anything we film. Did he say what they credited you for? I'm guessing its not filming, since you need releases from everyone on camera if you want to broadcast anything... plus it'd probably be hard to film you without you realizing it, heh. Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 04:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40487 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 11:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 11:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 11:19:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 11:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 11:18:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:18:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.36 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Discovery World (Taiwan)? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XtOubpCeWkIE9d33bkAOwTZO9XvIBNJEbm2w4DCUNcxA8B6ohQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "dreamwave6"=20 wrote: > > Hi everyone, >=20 > I'm going to Taipei, Taiwan on business in June and want to go to=20 > Discovery World to ride GravityMax (Vekoma's only tilt coaster in the=20 > world). Have any of you ever been to Discovery World? If so, what=20 > did you think? I'm having a hard time finding information about how=20 > to get there and so forth. (I will need to rely on public=20 > transportation as I will not be renting a car during my visit.) >=20 > Any help would be much appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Andrew There's a photo trip report over at theme park review from a guy who=20 went. I'm sure if you contact him he'd be glad to help. Have you tried=20 babelfish or google to translate the (likely) Taiwanese website to see=20 if they give transportation info? Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 13:57:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54845 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 20:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 20:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 20:55:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 20:51:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:51:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.246.195 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=q53100wE8byEPeGRWvSJxL5hmpSlkA1XvkLbUloNsVfeWPxOSggs0HE X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus Hi, Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? My first was the roller coaster at the pleasure beach gt Yarmouth. I guess I'd have been about 6. I can remember beforehand, both my dad, and grandad telling me how when they first went on it they got half way up the first hill, and said "I wanna get off", I was determined not to do that - although I was pretty nervous going up. I loved it! (It's still there, one of only 9 side friction roller coasters in the world) My first dark coaster was space mountain at wdw florida (1981 or 82) - I loved it, but mum screamed all the way First upsde down was corkscrew at AT. Although it might have been super looper at GY pleasure beach - if I'd been allowed on it! From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Apr 19 14:20:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12328 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.192) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:46 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so733wxd for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr109957wxt; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:45 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=slpyTz6nUrsIhcx4ggEPKvGLNcg9y_hV2u1PUSi3CBCMeYrgj-N6O70 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/19/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > > Hi, > > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I'm pretty sure my first was either the Wacky Soap Box Racers @ Knott's Berry Farm (gone) or Big Thunder Mountain Railroad @ Disneyland. I'm leaning towards WSBR though, since I remember having to wait until I was tall enough for BTMR. I do find it interesting though that BTMR and WSBR were never especially intimidating to me, probably because I hadn't thought of them as coasters, but I remember it was a little harder to get me on other coasters, such as a Little Dipper model, which were far milder but just had a more obvious roller coaster appearance to them. Also I know my first looper was Montezooma's Revenge @ Knott's Berry Farm (also my first launched and backwards) and I believe Belmont Park's Giant Dipper was my first wooden coaster, though it's possible I went on Ghostrider first. I think I may have went on them within a week or two of each other. Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 14:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13456 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 21:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 21:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 21:20:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:19:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.246.195 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: TR - Thorpe park and stealth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=0toSqv70NzKlDg_G6myYGzkFPIsFYjeBL2D4IzlPgq-umna-MN3ycIU X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus So - I was on support at the weekend, so I had a day in lieu yesterday. I decided to go to thorpe park (the holiday in orlando has left me hungry for coasters!) After a half hour delay on the tube, I arrived at staines station at peak time, and had to wait half an hour to get on a bus (would have been less if not for people pushing in!), and then took another 40 minutes to queue for my ticket at the park! I then headed to the queue for Stealth, queue time was given as 45 minutes - I entered the que at 11:30. 20 minutes later we passed a sign saying "45 minutes from here", 10 minutes later the ride shut down for 15 minutes, about an hour later we were still trudging along really slowly in the queue - there was a further 15 minute delay whilst they added a second car, I finally got on at just gone 2 (I waited abnout 10 mins extra for the front row) When I was almost there - my heart was beating hard, I got in and buckled up. All I can say about the ride is WOW! the feeling as you accelerate from 0-80 in 2.5 seconds is incredible, for a couple of seconds before you reach the hill, it's quite undescribable, you then head straight up, and have a second or two to look around the park before plumetting back down again. You then go over a small hill, before stopping - the whole ride lasts about 20 seconds, but what a 20 seconds it is! I got off and entered the single rider queue - took about half an hour, got closer to the back, and actually think it was better back there. Also rode Rush (great swing ride), the rapids, the log flume (good soaker) and stealth again! OINK OINK: It seems my pig out in florida (and since) has taken it's toll - I also went on nemesis inferno, and queued for the front seat (only way to do inverted coasters), and I couldn't fit in the harness, and had to move to the fatty seat :( I need to lose a few pounds before my next theme park trip!! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 14:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58545 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 21:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 21:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 21:19:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:19:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=c5Emew6yrQmzn-JwWbzbDEZOoN2YRKB3WWinMouWwyyPOuA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Yea! Chris is coming home! Let us know when you get here, and we'll through you a big on-line=20 party! ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > Since everybody is talking about moving...=20 > This week it looks like I'm moving to the area of Great Lakes, IL.=20 > (North Chicago) I applied for two positions there and this is the=20 > last opportunity for the Navy to decide where to put me.=20 > So, who else lives out there?=20 >=20 > Yeah, I really was looking forward to being in the Seattle area, but=20 > you can't always get what you want! >=20 > Chris B From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Apr 19 14:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62148 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 21:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 21:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 21:32:42 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3JLWfBU012149 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:32:41 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:32:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E14426E-FA4A-4B1B-BA0F-E645E577C440@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:32:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2006 21:32:41.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9AF5CB0:01C663F8] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=86Fmyy3AsqriZsfGnT3gEaoU1IeQUCF_7JwhpTMpEx8IpSEC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I probably should tell this story in public (I never have before).. I was 12 and we were at Disnyworld and my Dad took me on Big Thunder Mountain. I cried .. then I yelled at my Dad calling him an irresponsible parent! He felt so bad... (I've since apologized). Six years later my brother and I power-rode Space Mountain, and loved it. Then finally in may of 1998 (twelve and a half years after the Big Thunder Mountain episode) I was dragged to Six Flags Great America. I didn't want to go, and I didn't want to ride, but I also didn't want to look like a wuss in front of my friends 10 and 6 year old kids. We rode American Eagle first, then Demon, after that I was pretty much hooked. I got revenge on my friends though, dragging them across the country to coaster events. Bwhahahahaha! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Oh no, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Not again. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Apr 19 14:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83070 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 21:44:16 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s2so5451uge for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr1192huq; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604191444ne846187v88166d25c7225527@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:44:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2E14426E-FA4A-4B1B-BA0F-E645E577C440@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2E14426E-FA4A-4B1B-BA0F-E645E577C440@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=wmZxjcH-lB1Dl0OJa3gsntJlFY8D61Bl8Xz2ziJ6HFtGSQm7 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'm fairly sure that my first was the corkscrew at Michigan's Adventure (also pretty sure the park was still called Deer Park at the time). I think I was 8 or 9 before my dad talked me into finally trying it. I think he wanted me to conquer the local coaster before they spent any money to take the family on road trips to Chicago or Sandusky for the bigger parks so after a handful of false starts he finally got me to actually ride, and I'm sure he had a headache by the end of that day after riding it over and over and over and over... After that we started taking the occasional trips out of state, I know my first woodie was American Eagle, and I was totally enamored with Tidal Wave at SFGAm, and the only thing I really remember from Cedar Point was the Bearnstein Bears treehouse. Beth From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 16:00:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46401 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 23:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 23:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 23:00:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 23:00:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2006 23:00:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:59:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604191444ne846187v88166d25c7225527@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=t8Eicz9NBASOtCI07ycVms3tYzVTBju1gqUGim44zJVpZG61uIl9 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I'm not really sure what was my first. When I was a kid (born 1973)=20 we visited Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, and Magic Mountain=20 numerous times. I remember going on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad=20 when it was pretty new (1979), and ditto with the Wacky Soap Box=20 Racers (1980). I'm pretty sure I had gone on the Matterhorn before=20 those, but maybe not Space Mountain. Sometime around 1979 or 1980 was my first trip to Magic Mountain,=20 and I remember seeing the Mountain Express coaster (moved in 1982)=20 as we got near the entrance. Mind you, this was just a Schwarzkopf=20 Wildcat (65m), but the big naked metal structure looked awfully=20 intimidating to me at the time. Just a couple years earlier when I=20 was about 4 or 5 I was a complete wimp at the Wet 'n' Wild in=20 Anaheim, going all the way to the top of the hill and then=20 chickening out. I think I had chickened out on Space Mountain, too,=20 by this point. I kept my nerve this time, though, and rode with my=20 Dad. I remember thinking it was pretty thrilling--- and my Dad=20 whooping and hollering, frantically saying Hail Marys on some of the=20 big drops. Later on that same day, I think I rode the Gold Rusher a couple of=20 times and then went on the kiddie coaster several times in a row.=20 This was with the church youth group (my parents were the=20 coordinators), and a couple of the teenagers said they went on=20 Colossus (their big woodie) 16 times in a row. I had a great time. It was another year or two before going upside-down--- probably the=20 Corkscrew at Knott's (now moved to Silverwood). Sometime after that=20 I tried Montezooma's Revenge (shuttle looper) at Knott's and the=20 Revolution at Magic Mountain. By that time I was hooked, but I think=20 I was in about 4th grade before braving Colossus. I remember=20 thinking that on the big hills it was like "the world was coming to=20 an end." I loved it, though, and by 6th or 7th grade I was ready for=20 any coaster Six Flags would throw at me. Flat rides have given me=20 problems my whole life, though, and I've essentially sworn most of=20 them off now. =20 Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 18:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91122 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 01:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 01:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 01:04:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 01:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 01:00:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:00:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.123 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Whalom video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZgFr3ezyCsjbyOGcBSivZP7cdnnyE8OwA6HfoXOjMkJ1akTXmqJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Maybe they meant Yen and not $? Thats a little over the top for a 34 = =20 > minute video... < I agree, but no -- that was the "educational" price. The website said to write to them for a "customer" price, whatever that is. The video is even begin sold in England -- for 24 pounds. > Did he say what they credited you for? > My neighbor said I was listed as one of three people who made the video. During the documentary, it mentioned the rides from Mountain Park that were bought by Whalom. > I'm guessing its not filming, since you need releases from everyone on camera if you want to broadcast anything... < Unless the kid (if he indeed was the director in question) figured it was just a high school project and he didn't need releases.... The only other thing I can think of is that I had two hours of footage of Whalom Park. I gave a copy to Allyson Bowen during her Save Whalom Park campaign. Maybe the kid got his hands on that. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 18:05:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66729 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 01:05:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 01:04:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 01:04:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:04:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604191444ne846187v88166d25c7225527@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.123 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8wLxHHMiCIKJTvkjmRUjJnbj3udCiqQovLi-V9ocEmIMQ1C2wBf0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm pretty sure it was the kiddie coaster at (where else?) Mountain Park. For "big" coasters, it would have been Riverside's Thunderbolt. Back then, it had a wonderful pitch black tunnel out of the station to the lift. Ahhh, I can still smell the graphite.... Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Apr 19 18:39:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35663 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 01:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 01:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 01:39:08 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.39a.f3da1b (4552) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39a.f3da1b.31784026@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:38:46 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first coaster was The Kings Island Racer, and I was 7. That was back when it only went forwards on both sides, didn't have seat backs, no seat belts, seat dividers, buzz bars, hand braked, and was red white and blue, the colors it should be! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Onnie5000@neo.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:53:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Onnie5000@neo.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40728 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 01:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 01:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com) (65.24.5.138) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 01:51:59 -0000 Received: from OnnieHeather (cpe-71-64-97-84.neo.res.rr.com [71.64.97.84]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3K1pkA1015278 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01c6641c$fb314590$54614047@OnnieHeather> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:51:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.24.5.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Andrea Wells" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118600824; y=3IC5svR13oKxRpNYfqkcONRHY5_2r__nbZ_S9QOqwck1j0aO X-Yahoo-Profile: onnie5000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel_roachus" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? > Hi, > > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? > I remember my first coaster ride like it was yesterday. It was the Wildcat at Idora Park in Youngstown, Ohio. I was 6 years old. My uncle paid me $5 to go on it with him. The Wildcat, at the time, was a top 10 rollercoaster. If you have ridden it you know what I mean. Anyway, it's one of those "old school - woodies" with no seat belts or other safety devices. Good thing my uncle was a man of considerable size, he kept me in my seat. I screamed my little head off. I thought I was gonna die because of the grades I got on my report card. lol I had so much fun, by the time the ride was over, I wanted to ride it again. My uncle told me he wasnt gonna give me another $5 but I wanted ot ride anyway. ºOºnnie From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 20:31:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6545 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 03:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 03:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 03:31:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 03:31:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:31:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.113.229 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=-BiIbu7vUIRQ_sFph50sm6xP--OSjV7ekHXXTH9qaRAFeN31DvI X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister "Giant" coaster at Crystal Beach. I was four years old and my friend's dad took us on it. It was a side friction coaster and it had no restraints at all - just bench seats with a bar on the back of the seat in front of you to hold on to. I had a bad experience and banged my tooth on that bar. It would be twelve years before riding anything of any size - and it was the Giant again, when I was sixteen. That day at Crystal Beach my mom told me to go ride the Comet. After that I was hooked and rode anything with track. Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? >=20 > My first was the roller coaster at the pleasure beach gt Yarmouth. I > guess I'd have been about 6. >=20 > I can remember beforehand, both my dad, and grandad telling me how > when they first went on it they got half way up the first hill, and > said "I wanna get off", I was determined not to do that - although I > was pretty nervous going up. I loved it! >=20 > (It's still there, one of only 9 side friction roller coasters in the > world) >=20 > My first dark coaster was space mountain at wdw florida (1981 or 82) - > I loved it, but mum screamed all the way >=20 > First upsde down was corkscrew at AT. Although it might have been > super looper at GY pleasure beach - if I'd been allowed on it! > From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 20:35:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64860 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 03:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 03:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 03:35:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 03:33:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 03:33:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:33:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.105.113.229 From: "Andrew" Subject: Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=KB-gbH4RvbKgVq_ocqw_uivwmx1wA79zP04RpB8lXC5xYtsqrBY X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister I hear it is supposed to open on April 29. Do they have it running its course now? Andrew From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 21:02:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91639 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 04:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 04:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.227) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 04:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 71317 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2006 04:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060420040112.71315.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.218.60.99] by web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:01:12 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:01:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <39a.f3da1b.31784026@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=R8ifWsUpaMF2ORzWm1pn-RIJvBw5gpSB1t26aVlDQiclIeCz8fzWnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!! My first one was June of 1984 at Six Flaggs Magic Mountain, Cork-scre= w "The Revolution." First time I rode Space Mountain during Grad Nite 19= 89 BTW... =20=20=20 Ann Marie Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: My first coaster was The Kings Island Racer, and I was 7. That was back = when=20 it only went forwards on both sides, didn't have seat backs, no seat belts,= =20=20 seat dividers, buzz bars, hand braked, and was red white and blue, the colors it should be! Brian=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. =20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MrStratosphere@aol.com Thu Apr 20 01:01:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12501 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 08:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 08:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 08:01:31 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.30e.38bb135 (48600) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <30e.38bb135.317899ca@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:01:14 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=OId2dgX833z5Hc-sqVpceIpZQBf8lJc1SUNFIqLHEHctgXnteIHb X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They began testing on the 18th. you can see footage at http://www.themeparkreview.com/ http://www.rollercoasterpro.com/ It will actually have its media day on May 11th, 2006 and opening to the public on May 13th, 2006 John (WHO WILL BE THERE!!!!) In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:35:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, edi_meister@yahoo.com writes: I hear it is supposed to open on April 29. Do they have it running its course now? Andrew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Apr 20 03:54:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57959 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:5763 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FWWoD-0006vq-PE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1145505735.2072.91644.m3@yahoogroups.com> References: <1145505735.2072.91644.m3@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9bab7149d4ea45b69572c34c4334120f@law.wnec.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=MmBhjMkD4rf06WmfbHUweKm65rvRAj6F-pdkcd3CQXO3Ms1-q9EUAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam I was terrified of coasters until one evening at Bartlesville, Oklahoma's "Kiddie Park," when I was probably 8 or 9 (making it 1979 or thereabouts). My mom was volunteering at the concession stand -- they had a deal where volunteers staffed the food stands and their associated nonprofits would get the proceeds. Volunteers' kids would get wristbands to ride as much as they wanted. I rode the coaster, loved it, and rode probably 30+ times that night. See: http://www.childsfamily.com/Bvilletrain.JPG http://www.childsfamily.com/BVillewideshot.JPG For pictures of the ride, and: http://kiddiepark.net/ for the park's website. And here are some more pictures; they appear to have named the ride now (never was before): http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A9FF6C2AAB4&cb=PA Bill From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 04:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97761 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:47:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:47:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:47:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:47:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HM9_CHY7qhMzHhJ6kv07jyLsjZ2JJ-jvrFqBnFjENOqFDGae4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I'm not 100% sure, but it was either of the old, long gone steel kiddy=20 coasters at Canobie Lake or Benson's Wild Animal Park. I think they=20 were both Herschels, but I'm not positive. Either way it would have=20 been about 1978 or 79. First woodie would have been the Giant Dipper at Belmont Park in 1993.=20 First inversion? Boomerang at Knott's Berry Farm, 1993.=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 05:00:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85333 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 12:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 12:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 12:00:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:59:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 11:59:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:59:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.36 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Was: BGT question, Now, Moving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XpIEi0yG1af-2ORUI0Wbs5mYnWBUTvHGpFrr0xYQt1pk74Uy1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Yea! Chris is coming home! > Let us know when you get here, and we'll through you a big on-line=20 > party! ;) >=20 > -Alan (sniffle) Aw, gee! You guys are too much! Can we have it at Holiday World's web site? ;) Chris B From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Apr 20 07:32:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46034 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 14:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 14:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 14:32:04 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:30:58 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD006231A5@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: can you remember your first coaster? thread-index: AcZkMFLpWocurqUoQqSAGJpG3CTIAwAVVWhg To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=jZYm-fsgZ7kezJoPIUBs_LEtKgmJcJEJZ5dB96UFnoATH6MIFA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I was about 11 and finally succumbed to peer pressure one August night at Playland (Rye). My first coaster ride was on the small-ish Monster Mouse, a typical wild mouse. I followed that up with a ride on my first "real" (full size, woodie) coaster, the Dragon Coaster. I've been a junkie ever since. My name is Jon ("Hi, Jon!"), and I'm a coasterholic. ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 20 07:50:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8650 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 14:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 14:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 14:50:46 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3KEodmx018122 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:50:39 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:50:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <30e.38bb135.317899ca@aol.com> References: <30e.38bb135.317899ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:50:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2006 14:50:39.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA2C8410:01C66489] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=SIBwA5KVfoV8hmjyoTYqfEgMAoErJVC-P4wesij2l9SMoeRC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon It actually looks like a great ride, but boy is it ugly! Track and supports all higaldy-pigaldy like that .. and that orange colour .. yuch! Still, it looks like it'll be a really fun ride, and I'm quite envious. Please let us know how it is, John. Cameron. On Apr 20, 2006, at 3:01 AM, MrStratosphere@aol.com wrote: > They began testing on the 18th. you can see footage at > http://www.themeparkreview.com/ > http://www.rollercoasterpro.com/ > > It will actually have its media day on May 11th, 2006 and opening > to the > public on May 13th, 2006 > > John > (WHO WILL BE THERE!!!!) > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:35:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, > edi_meister@yahoo.com writes: > I hear it is supposed to open on April 29. Do they have it running its > course now? > > Andrew > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Yellow, Black * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** and Rectangular * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 08:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67025 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 15:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 15:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 15:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 15:53:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 15:53:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 15:53:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:53:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4444C795.7090902@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IxXSnH6CwYtq8-Vf0a6cNNRSY2nTUJx5JqHpIgpPZ0CKfIk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Here's an artical from earlier in the month. The kids have their=20 hearts in the right place, but... -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whalom Park site eyed as residential development Boston Business Journal http://boston.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2006/04/10/story7.html April 7, 2006 by Michelle Hillman - Journal Staff LUNENBURG -- Whalom Park hasn't been a whale of a time for years.=20 Now a developer plans to rescue the site of the dilapidated amusement=20 park, which closed in 2001, and turn it into a residential=20 development for all ages. The proposal calls for demolishing the park and building 240 units of=20 residential housing. The site could also include about 10,000 sq.ft.=20 of future commercial or retail development. Plans for a project called Emerald Place at Lake Whalom -- estimated=20 to cost between $80-$90 million to develop -- are being submitted=20 with the town of Lunenburg now, said Stephen Callahan of Bridgewater- based Global Property Developers Corp., a division of construction=20 company JT Callahan & Sons Inc. "It's a beautiful site," said=20 Callahan. "It's a nice piece of high land. Everything we build will=20 have views of the lakefront." The base price of the units is estimated to be $300,000, with prices=20 rising the closer the units are to the water, said Callahan. Callahan plans to create a "lifestyle-type product" where residents=20 will be able to exercise, socialize and even run errands without=20 leaving the property. A fitness center will be located where a water=20 slide now stands. The property is being sold by the Whalom Park Amusement Co. and is=20 under agreement, though Callahan declined to provide the purchase=20 price. He said he has been working on the project for more than a=20 year. The project can be developed "by right" -- what is already allowed by=20 zoning -- since the site was previously rezoned by the town of=20 Lunenburg to allow for residential development, said Callahan. The new zoning, called an overlay district, allows for more dense=20 development of 8 units per acre. It also stipulates at least 10% of=20 the units must be set aside for people 55 and older and contain no=20 more than 2 bedrooms, said Marion Benson, planning director for=20 Lunenburg. Though efforts have been made by community groups to save the park in=20 the past, the amusement park was ultimately abandoned, Benson=20 said. "There are people that have grown up there and know the park=20 and would love to see the park come back," acknowledged Callahan, who=20 added he has plans to incorporate historic elements into his=20 development -- the main road of the residential property, for=20 example, will be called the Midway. Callahan has hired the Hingham- based architectural firm Strekalovsky Hoit Raymond LLC to design the=20 project. ------------------ =A9 American City Business Journals Inc. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 20 09:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21279 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 16:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 16:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 16:15:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:13:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:13:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=vALrRdFC2Os_EHALsyin7fLm1PIsxpI3SwYomLBJPFdNSbE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? My first roller coaster of any type was a Miler kiddie coaster at Funderland, near Fairy Tale Town and the zoo in Sacramento. It was replaced several years ago with a newer coaster, but I can still remember the little dips and bumps on it. The first "big" coaster I went on was Willard's Whizzer at Mariott's Great America (now PGA) the year the park opened, when I was 6 years old. I remember being terrified of it, thinking it went so fast and that the turns were very steep, nearly vertical in my mind (gotta love how a kid thinks and remembers things). Even though I was scared, for some reason I would still ride that and the flumes- some sort of wierd mix of terror and excitement, but able to do it since I rode with my parents holding me. Boy have things changed since then. :) keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 09:15:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21499 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 16:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 16:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 16:15:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:14:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:14:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:14:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SWl4f1ghwNb5xNXvS-ITQU0vqEBMvrwkgl9nLp8aM9TUJDE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Actually, I do not remember. I don't know why, but I don't (maybe I should ask Mom?). Most likely, it would have been some portable coaster at the Arizona=20 State Fair, but that could be as far back as the early '70s. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 09:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52519 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 16:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 16:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 16:31:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:30:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:30:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:30:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR - Thorpe park and stealth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JU_z6qL2augj3sUimuMrLgDInux-vW7Fy5G9isYtkJ6bwQs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'm just curious, but is anyone else just a little confused about=20 Stealth? I mean, what does a 1950's car theme, have to do with the name/logo of=20 Stealth. Or is it just me? -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 09:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32517 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 16:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 16:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 16:43:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 16:38:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:38:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AbndT8PoydzLLsoEpGs4tlCeISs6rnni4pdVcoGJDN59jsU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Adam, Corkscrew was my first "going upside-down" too. (Maybe, 1979 or so.) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: =20 > It was another year or two before going upside-down--- probably the=20 > Corkscrew at Knott's (now moved to Silverwood). SNIP > Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 10:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65722 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 17:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 17:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 17:55:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 17:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 17:52:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:52:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30e.38bb135.317899ca@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-gPRT9iKFaXBa4GMBo4umeVyEBHrO1I0RMz0QAvJXLQX_S4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I received an official invitation from ACE, but I'm afraid I won't be=20 able to go - I'm too broke! (damn money...grumble, grumble) ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MrStratosphere@... wrote: SNIP: > It will actually have its media day on May 11th, 2006 and opening to=20 the=20 > public on May 13th, 2006 >=20 > John > (WHO WILL BE THERE!!!!) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 10:57:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19871 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 17:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 17:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 17:57:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:57:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FFVbvAgSSOJCpSo2JtXC65RWm0NKDJke8umXSeRz3K30ohU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Too bad they couldn't design to be closer to the ground. It is really=20 intrusive on the landsacpe. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > It actually looks like a great ride, but boy is it ugly! Track and=20=20 > supports all higaldy-pigaldy like that .. and that orange colour ..=20=20 > yuch! > Still, it looks like it'll be a really fun ride, and I'm quite=20=20 > envious. Please let us know how it is, John. > Cameron. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 11:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58360 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 18:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 18:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 18:10:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:06:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:06:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: ABC Board approves park's alcohol request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6bViWZjKbl8KXtvWUr3S15WMFCcuDJx3n9xR8eXb_8p-KoU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 20, 2006 Arkansas News Bureau http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2006/04/20/News/335721.html By Rob Moritz LITTLE ROCK, ARK -- The state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board on=20 Wednesday unanimously approved extended hours for alcohol sales at=20 Magic Springs & Crystal Falls amusement park in Hot Springs. The board voted 4-0 to allow the park to begin serving beer and wine=20 at noon in the park's amphitheater and picnic area. In 2004, the park=20 received its liquor license under the condition that alcohol sales=20 would not begin until 6 p.m. Dan Aylward, president of the park, said at Wednesday's hearing that=20 extending the hours to serve beer and wine would eliminate the need=20 for special event permits. Alcohol sales would continue to be=20 restricted to only the 2 areas in the park, he said. Alcohol sales within the Timberwood Amphitheater during concerts will=20 end about half way through the event. Alcoholic beverages will be=20 available in the picnic area until the park closes. Attorney Charles Singleton, who represented the park at Wednesday's=20 meeting, said the amusement park was making a concession to appease=20 opponents because state law actually allows establishments with=20 liquor license to sell alcohol from 7 a.m. to 1 a.m. Aylward said the park attracts more than 500,000 people annually from=20 38 states. The park has 35 full-time employees and 1,000 part-time=20 employees during the summer. He also said the park generates about $1 million a year in state=20 taxes. Rep. Bob Mathis, D-Hot Springs, attended Thursday's ABC meeting and=20 spoke on behalf of Magic Springs and the proposal. Rep. Bill Sample, R-Hot Springs, wrote a letter to the board in=20 support of the proposal. Speaking against the proposal were Teresa Belew, executive director=20 of the Mothers Against Drunk Driving chapter in Arkansas, and Mickey=20 Gates, a justice of the peace in Garland County. --------- =A9 Arkansas News Bureau, 2003 - 2006 From serpmage@juno.com Thu Apr 20 11:16:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58463 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 18:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 18:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 18:16:43 -0000 Received: from webmail44.lax.untd.com (webmail44.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.184]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCERV8RAJLRW2S for (sender ); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail44.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNEW9976; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:15:23 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail44.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:44 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060420.111523.8674.994127@webmail44.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:4098246742 X-MAIL-INFO:0507bbcf777e2a77bebe7eaf2aaf7afb2ee3aabf3b3ea7df03e32e9aef8fba77a7 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAL1ad/yrz7b6JsdWJgUOg8NDgQ5eb6GCig== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.184|webmail44.lax.untd.com|webmail44.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=qAt_hMptPSNxS7FAtIrQmP1vvO3QIcRbqYoYX4Y6xSGa1LDRLg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >Hi, > >Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I don't remember my very first ride, but I know that my first coaster was B= ig Thunder Mountain at MK, but it was a year or two later before I would be= tall enough to ride Space Mountain, and the first time I went into the bui= lding of SM, I got so freaked out that I chickened out, of course, I was li= ke 5, it was the very short time when they changed the requirement from a h= eight to an age. My first Woodie was the Racer at PKI, and it gave me such= a bad headache that I wouldn't ride it again (again still very young, just= barely met the height requirement and still warming up to this big ride id= ea). The next year when we went to PKI, my brother convinced me to go on V= ortex, so that became my first looping coaster. After that I became a fien= d and rode everything I could see.=20=20 Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 11:22:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58189 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 18:22:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:21:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:21:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:21:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.212.85.247 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: TR - Thorpe park and stealth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=eciqUwOtYbe1Qt6ytDRwKTpKPYCNkmz4iP1TPcgmJuzvW3vT6Y8xIBE X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > I'm just curious, but is anyone else just a little confused about=20 > Stealth? >=20 > I mean, what does a 1950's car theme, have to do with the name/logo of=20 > Stealth. Or is it just me? >=20 call it tussauds wacky theming! Rita at alton towers is similar - a launch coaster, no top hat, just some corners (but very good) - only it's slap bang next to the corkscrew, in a caveman themed area called "ugland", using a similar 50s car theme! And spinball whizzer is just slapped next to the lake... (ps - Tussauds group own both thorpe park, and alton towers (as well as chessington and heide park in germany))... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 11:41:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94730 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 18:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 18:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 18:38:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:36:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2006 18:36:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:36:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR - Thorpe park and stealth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Bn7KRlk6Gm15CF_Qn-IG8dUUWrr4f33tC-BeBP1F1kA13ds X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hmm... sounds like they never been to (nor seen) a Disney Park! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > > > I'm just curious, but is anyone else just a little confused about=20 > > Stealth? > >=20 > > I mean, what does a 1950's car theme, have to do with the=20 name/logo of=20 > > Stealth. Or is it just me? > >=20 >=20 > call it tussauds wacky theming! Rita at alton towers is similar - a > launch coaster, no top hat, just some corners (but very good) - only > it's slap bang next to the corkscrew, in a caveman themed area=20 called > "ugland", using a similar 50s car theme! >=20 > And spinball whizzer is just slapped next to the lake... >=20 > (ps - Tussauds group own both thorpe park, and alton towers (as well > as chessington and heide park in germany))... > From onhisown@comcast.net Thu Apr 20 16:20:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48401 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 23:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 23:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (63.240.77.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 23:20:45 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006042022314201200fv9n7e>; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: <048c01c664ca$27491470$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:31:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=wq56sVn9s3v0Rn2kjL6RTCWgc4WjRlj8ipg3AxV_ma6vDSAdric X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Technically my first coaster was the Matterhorn at Disneyland, but I was five years old and barely remember it. My most vivid first memory is the Cyclone at the now long defunct Excelsior Amusement Park (Excelsior, MN). I was around ten years old and was scared to death to ride. My best friend decided to give it a go and after riding came running up with the straightest of faces saying it was no big deal. So of course I trusted him and decided to be brave and give it a try. What stands out the most is being on the lift hill and my friend turning to me with a most devilish smile saying, "I lied, it's scary as hell." Before I had much time to chew him out we were already plunging down the first drop, with that coveted stomach in the mouth sensation I can only dream of now. All I remember besides that is it was an insane ride, and unfortunatley my one and only. According to rcdb this Fred Pearce beauty operated from 1925 to 1973, closing the same year as the park. Does anyone else have memories of this park and if so do you know what's in it's place now? If I'm not mistaken it was on Lake Minnetonka, so I suppose multi-million dollar homes now sit in its place. Mark From greding@intergate.com Thu Apr 20 20:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@intergate.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84197 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 03:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 03:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 03:27:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 03:27:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 03:27:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:27:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.227.142.89 From: "Tom G." Subject: Re: Discovery World (Taiwan)? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207556770; y=M2_nAwKRukHQrIvCoWHaa_Jj6qKGF2XWmOp69dnR6geu5g X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 I have never been to Discovery World, but I did live in Taiwan for a=20 couple of years a long time ago. Discovery World is located in a=20 small town called Houli, which is about 15 miles North of Taichung,=20 which is a large city. From Taipei, go to the main train station=20 and take the fast train down to Taichung. From there, you can take=20 a taxi up to Houli (pronounced "hoe-lee"). Or if you have more time=20 and would like to save a few bucks, take one of the slower trains=20 that makes a stop in Houli, and then a cab to the park. They=20 probably have buses from both Houli and Taichung that go to the=20 park, but that will raise you level of adventure up a notch or two. The taxi drivers usually don't speak very much English, but find=20 some young and educated looking person for help and directions, and=20 they should speak some English and be very willing to help out a=20 foreigner who is taking interest in exploring their country. As a=20 whole, they are a very friendly people. Good luck... --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "dreamwave6"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > >=20 > > I'm going to Taipei, Taiwan on business in June and want to go=20 to=20 > > Discovery World to ride GravityMax (Vekoma's only tilt coaster=20 in the=20 > > world). Have any of you ever been to Discovery World? If so,=20 what=20 > > did you think? I'm having a hard time finding information about=20 how=20 > > to get there and so forth. (I will need to rely on public=20 > > transportation as I will not be renting a car during my visit.) > >=20 > > Any help would be much appreciated. > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Andrew >=20 > There's a photo trip report over at theme park review from a guy=20 who=20 > went. I'm sure if you contact him he'd be glad to help. Have you=20 tried=20 > babelfish or google to translate the (likely) Taiwanese website to=20 see=20 > if they give transportation info? >=20 > Chris B > From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 21:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41026 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 04:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 04:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 04:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:50:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:49:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:49:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.180.14.240 From: "Andrew" Subject: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=T3lPMh8e3c63z4PYbDdr1B_mYBxEgVtlaZ1HH0-L5-HnvBNwGLo X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister What coaster would you nominate as the most properly terrifying "first experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. I will say that the first and only time I can think of that I was properly terrified on a roller coaster, and to my best recollection the only time I couldn't help screaming out of sheer fright, was my first experience on X in March of 2003. Now understand that on that particular trip, I had gone down to SFMM with a buddy and we "rode the park" on Saturday. But we couldn't get on to X. So we came back first thing on Sunday morning (season pass) and went directly to X. Just the day before I had been on Goliath, and Deja Vu and the Riddler and all that. But X was different. I had never before, or since that time had my arms wrapped around the restaints, holding on for dear life. Now I had been on the PGA Stealth. Flying coasters didn't freak me out. Stealth's roll to fly after its chain release was a bit intimidating, but I could do that. That inversion at the top of X was properly terrifying. I remember as it first came up the side of that raven curve I was screaming frantically. By the time it got to the luge turn I was trying to figure out what just happened, and I was thinking that I could not finish this course. Besides those seat flips, I think X was so frightening because it feels "too fast". You know? Mean Streak feels "too slow". These B&M coasters cruise their tracks with grace, beautifully and artistically balanced. X on the other hand runs its track like a tiger. The speed of that thing is frightening. That first run on X is to this day the only time I have ever been screaming when it got back to the station. I remember just after it stopped I was screaming, "That was so intense! That was so intense!" My throat was still raw hours later on our way back to the Bay Area. In the 14 months that followed I managed to ride X four more times. But by the second run in October of 2003 I had thoroughly memorized the POV video, which spoiled the effect. By then X had become a bunny ride to me and I could say that I could complete the course with my arms out and not touching the restraints with my hands. It was on that LA parks trip in Oct 2003 that I took my first run on Xcelerator. I went to Knott's "to ride" the Xcelerator. I had to watch a video of that thing running about fifty times before I determined that I could do it. But when you see the real thing in person you look up at that top hat and you gulp, and you say to yourself, "I came here to ride this and I'm going to ride it." And I got the left outside front seat. And when that thing twisted on its way up the top hat, I felt like it was coming off the track. When it stopped I think my heart caught up with me a second or two later, and I said to the person next to me, "Well that was properly terrifying. Take a moment to scream." (from the TTD promo) I would go on to ride Xcelerator about eight more times that day. Since 2003 I have always voted X my #1 on the steel coaster poll, far and above my #2 choice, which is typically the Riddler's Revenge or Medusa. Finally I see another X being built, out at Fuji-Q. It looks to be a bit higher than X. I wonder what it will be like. What excites me is that it looks like S&S/Arrow finally managed to sell a production X. I want to see more 4-D coasters around. So what was your most properly terrifying first experience? Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 21:55:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72191 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:55:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.180.14.240 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=y84qqAr8JPGmUhDklm9Gq-WpjppJk9U_2JdN6ndTZofI4PmrJwU X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister I'm not going to cry too much about the appearance. Magic Mountain is one of these parks where if you stand in the right place there are twisted rails all around you. There are a few places at Cedar Point where you can get that effect. I always enjoy the first view of a park. You know, after a long drive and then you suddenly see this big mass of coloured track going every which way. Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Too bad they couldn't design to be closer to the ground. It is really=20 > intrusive on the landsacpe. >=20 > -Alan > From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 21 08:33:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95049 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 15:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 15:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 15:33:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 15:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 15:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 15:32:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:32:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bPZbW4d82Hu5n_jIvd6AYeaXqRmqk3uWMeOdCAJWC95ADNs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" wrote: > > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly terrifying "first > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. >=20 I can't say that I've had a coaster do that to me, though I've had a couple of moderate scares on them. Legend at Holiday World gave me one brief moment when I saw the guys in the car in front of me come so far out of their seat that it almost looked like they were sitting on the back of the car (they weren't that far out, but it was close).=20 And Viper at SFGrAm gave me and Josh and big shock on one of it's airtime moements that sent us both scrambling to hold onto the grab bar. My wife got seriously freaked on X though. It hit the half and half and she thought that the train had disconnected from the track and was flying off. I've never seen her have that kind of a reaction on a ride, and since then she won't go near it. It's why she got seriously upset with me when I took our daughter on it. There has been one ride though that has been as terrifying an experience as any- the 300 foot skycoaster at Old Town in Kissimmee.=20 Getting up to the top and that first plunge is as scared as I've ever been. I've always joked about wondering what a person's last words would be when they thought they were going to die, and I think I found out what mine are during that (but at least they weren't "bad" words, hehe). keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Apr 21 08:49:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65824 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 15:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 15:49:06 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3LFn0hG008921 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:49:00 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:49:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82BC1509-3A49-4263-947E-0FF86714B268@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:48:56 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 15:49:00.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BB42D20:01C6655B] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=BI4XJLJZZSb_UN3wcDoh1UuXUmb85Ng19xjQEGQgb5JJSNAr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly terrifying "first > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. For me it was Batman The Ride. It was only about two weeks after I'd made friends with coasters, and was thus my first inverted coaster (this was in 1998). I have a mild fear of heights, and I figured the 'no floor' aspect would just kill me .. however a friend of mine talked me into it. Batman (at Six Flags Great America) looks and sounds very intimidating from the ground. This only gets worse as you wait in line and end up in the station. I was very nervous when I boarded the ride. When I saw the floor drop I mildly freaked out, and started using a few naughty words. Heading up the lift wasn't too bad (thanks to the catwalk that is under the riders), but I was still very nervous. I'm not sure exactly where I realized that Batman is one of the greatest ride layouts ever, but it was probably before the end of the first loop! I ended up riding several more times that day, and it continues to be one of my all-time favorite rides. I also remember, around that same time, riding Shockwave for the first time. I wasn't too nervous about it until heading up the lift. We were sitting in a car with a chain dog, and it was very, VERY, loud. That freaked me out a little. I knew nothing was wrong with the ride, it was just a really intimidating sound. I could actually feel it through the floor of the coaster car.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 10:03:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50519 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 17:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 17:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 17:02:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 17:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 17:02:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:02:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <82BC1509-3A49-4263-947E-0FF86714B268@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=6ObAX4VuN_lJyEtDM4OD-Jke906e_yVmRfRP8p3ffZnEmL4xX-p9 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly=20 terrifying "first > > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. Any coastertool that tells you he/she's never had one is a dirty liar! I've had lots of those... anytime I sit down in an Arrow looper, or=20 any Vekoma product that I'm just riding for the credit. How about=20 Rattler at SFFT? One coaster I was particularly scared of was Super=20 Flight at Rye Playland. Having heard so many things, i was terrified=20 of the pain I was about to endure. I actually rode the entire ride=20 with my hands over my ears, and you know what? I loved it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 12:09:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44645 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 19:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 19:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 19:09:13 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 19:08:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:08:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XhBD3TacVEExyZ-aHBbYp5SN8S0MjIMg8YIi5L9z5jObMn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" =20 wrote: > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly terrifying "first > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. For me it was Stealth (when it was at PGA). And it wasn't the coaster=20 that terrified me, it was the restraint system -- fabric vests. I just couldn't trust them! I spent the entire ride with my hand=20 holding onto the opposite sides of the vest. Silly me. My second would probably have to be Goliath. You see, I have a fear of=20 heights. And here you are, a couple hundred feet in the air, over flat=20 ground, and you're on your way down into a teeny-tiny hole in the=20 ground! -Alan From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 12:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25143 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 19:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 19:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.197) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 19:13:55 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id k1so495723nzf for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.178.15 with SMTP id a15mr873143qbf; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:13:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <82BC1509-3A49-4263-947E-0FF86714B268@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cOQ4bslA0zjeLGA8cKL2l3l-BawAzAaLem4jKIzoT8ER2NzwapWBYio X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Any coastertool that tells you he/she's never had one is a > dirty liar! > > I've had lots of those... anytime I sit down in an Arrow looper, or > any Vekoma product that I'm just riding for the credit. I was about to argue with you until I read your second sentence. I never get "scared" on coasters unless I'm afraid of being hurt by one of Ronny T's creations. I haven't ridden an Arrow coaster in quite some time though. I'm not afraid of heights as long as I'm strapped into something or there's a gate (if there's just an open cliff or something, that's a different story). Riding Deja Vu the first time was a bit unnerving, but not scary. I rode the 300' Skycoaster, and that didn't bother me at all. I get a bit nervous on launched coasters, but I think everyone does. I guess the only time I've been afraid/nervous in recent memory was my first ride on Hades. After seeing some of the pictures of the tunnel online, I was truly afraid it was going to beat the hell out of me.=20 Thankfully, it didn't (and it's a great ride on top of that). I dunno, I guess I don't ride coasters because they scare me. There must be something else about it. Then again, I consider myself more of a park enthusiast anyway... -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 12:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52143 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 19:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 19:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.199) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 19:35:53 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id j2so438220nzf for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.184.17 with SMTP id h17mr1283651qbf; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:35:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UtOWodZ3MkKdZ-ckrIw7vBYFHGq0xyGMrpL2GGwzFD4yxZHBcriKgVA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It actually looks like a great ride, but boy is it ugly! Track and > supports all higaldy-pigaldy like that .. and that orange colour .. > yuch! Hmm...I don't think it's that ugly. There are certainly worse offenders out there. The only thing I don't like is the helix on stilts before the brake run, as I thought that's something only Ron Toomer would do. The rest of the ride looks fine, IMO. I don't find the orange color particularly offensive, but maybe one orange coaster would have been enough for that park. -Nate From gregleg@gregleg.com Fri Apr 21 12:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3407 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 19:41:07 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3LJf5XV025879 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.165.27.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47753.12.165.27.130.1145648466.squirrel@12.165.27.130> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:41:06 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=3kEDzj5LGSRgW8MZMFLIjjAlYV2p0bJ_kKngRZ3VAYYa-7E X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > For me it was Stealth (when it was at PGA). And it wasn't the coaster > that terrified me, it was the restraint system -- fabric vests. > I just couldn't trust them! I spent the entire ride with my hand > holding onto the opposite sides of the vest. Silly me. X-Flight at Six Flags Ohio got me in a similar fashion. I know the vest isn't even really securing you (the massive lower restraint is), but I just couldn't totally let myself go. I STILL tense up on the Vekoma flyers, probably the only coasters to really do that to me... -- -Greg From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 13:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19425 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.202) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:03:16 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so463842nzf for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.2 with SMTP id y2mr1319938qbd; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:03:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c66034$4ae89440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c66034$4ae89440$354cb0d8@MyDomain> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Nate and SFStL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LRdO4GNijO-DMWYPH4FMRpXR4oauzlahkMC_s2W67cGlHL4440-7oYA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I love Six Flags St. Louis, but you could do it in a half day if > necessary. > Uhhh... Nate, are you feeling OK? This certainly doesn't > sound like the review you gave to SFStL when I saw you > about 5 years back at Stark Raven Mad. Hi Jon, I've been to SFStL twice since that crazy Stark Raven Mad visit in 2002. We visited in October of 2003 and again in October of 2004. My first visit to SFStL really was terrible. I don't know if it was the heat (I believe it was 105* that day with 90% humidity), the crowds, the terrible operations, or the fact that we woke up at 6am to drive to St. Louis after a night of ERT at Holiday World, but we really had a bad visit. The park was dirty, overcrowded, and lines were unnecessarily long. The visits in October were essentially completely opposite. The park was not very crowded either time, and the weather was beautiful. On top of that, operations were significantly better. In fact, the operations I witnessed at SFStL on my last two visits were some of the best in the chain. So either SFStL is very hit or miss or it has improved a lot over the years. I know their attraction lineup has slowly improved; the park was desperately in need of flat rides, and that is being addressed now. I've also gotten some really great rides on the Boss since my first visit. Unfortunately, I probably won't get back to SFStL for a long time now. Ultimately, I think it's important to visit parks and make your own decisions rather than going on others' advice alone, as there are certainly a lot of conflicting opinions out there. -Nate (IIRC, you and one of the other then-list members did a day trip over to StL on Saturday.) You had NOTHING good to say about that park back then. > > As for me, if given the option of only one, I'd choose Holiday World over= SFStL any day (I think most of us would,) since I am centrally located to = both parks. > > But SFStL will always have a special place in my heart, because it was he= re that I rode my first coaster (The Screamin Eagle waaaaaaay back in 1977.= ) > > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -Nate Holy shit, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14929 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:27:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:25:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:25:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:25:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Did Councilman Bob McCloskey Take a $3,000 Bribe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DDydH5voxH3XRBLTtUgxEBMg1Bu5E99jZWYVoVKuYvu8g3g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2006 WTOL News 11 http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4798098&nav=3Dmenu34_25 by P. Sierra TOLEDO, OH -- A Toledo city councilman who's already facing charges=20 for bribery may again be in trouble. The Blade is reporting that Bob=20 McCloskey was caught on tape during an FBI sting last week accepting=20 $3,000 from a developer who's hoping to build an amusement park in=20 east Toledo. This story is unfolding just weeks before McCloskey's May 9th court=20 date for 2 previous felony charges of soliciting a $100,000 bribe=20 from his former employer and a charter school. The report of councilman McCloskey's latest trouble has the town=20 talking. Fellow councilman Frank Szollosi says if his colleague's=20 alleged actions are true, "It's disgusting, shocking, and sad." But did McCloskey do it? News 11 went to the councilman's eastside=20 home Thursday to get an answer, but even though he was inside, he=20 didn't come to the door. We also tried contacting McCloskey's=20 attorney, Jay Feldstein, but had no luck getting a response from him=20 despite repeated phone calls. Others are doing plenty of talking -- and some are saying it's time=20 for the long-time councilman to step down. Szollosi said, "I just=20 hope he finds it somewhere within himself to do the right thing for=20 himself and our city." Council president Rob Ludeman, a long-time McCloskey supporter, says=20 he doesn't believe the allegations. "I've had people say 'would you=20 call for a resignation' -- and I don't think it's the appropriate=20 thing to do when we don't have all the facts." Mayor Carty Finkbeiner agrees. He says Bob McCloskey shouldn't be=20 judged until he gets his day in court. Some east Toledoans are also hoping the allegations aren't true. One=20 told News 11, "This really surprised me when I saw it in the paper,"=20 and another said, "I hope it's not true. I hope it's just a big=20 mistake."=20 Lucas County prosecutor Julia Bates tells us she knows nothing about=20 the matter described in the newspaper's report. She also says she=20 hasn't been asked to launch an investigation. The US Justice=20 Department refused to comment. ----------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and WTOL From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8405 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:29:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:28:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:28:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:28:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Memphis amusement park expects $1 million from sale of carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=K0Ctc7z49UlJ7X6sIUUn-PVVUaM6V_yh06e-_IgFYoz7pzY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2006 Associated Press WREG-TV http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4776156&nav=3D3HvE MEMPHIS, TN -- A Memphis amusement park is selling its nearly century- old carousel. The ride is hand-carved and carries only horses. Historians believe=20 it will fetch close to a million-dollar price. Advertisement Mid-South Fair Incorporated is trying to sell the=20 carousel after closing its Libertyland amusement park after years of=20 financial struggle. The Mid-South Fair is also facing a costly=20 relocation for the annual fair. The carousel is on the National Register of Historic Places. It was=20 built in 1909 by the Dentzel Carousel Company. Its first home was=20 Chicago, but it's been in Memphis since the early 20s. Historians are suggesting the Memphis Zoo, the Children's Museum of=20 Memphis and Mud Island as possible new locations for the carousel. ---------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WREG From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58326 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:33:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:33:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:33:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sesame Place opens May 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UeC5osHNE85ar54PaUUu24KDThzF-aJaodClmkndFAqZkoA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2006 Bucks County Courier Times http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-04202006-644198.html MIDDLETOWN, PA -- Sesame Place, the children's amusement park near the=20 Oxford Valley Mall in Middletown, is almost ready for another season. The park, which will feature three new rides this year, will open May=20 6. A red carpet parade of the Sesame Street characters will kick off=20 things about 9:45 a.m. For ticket prices and other information on the park, call 215-752-7070,=20 ext. 222, or visit sesameplace.com. ----------- =A92006 Copyright Calkins Media, Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:39:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27140 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:39:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:36:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:36:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tax Break to Fund Seabreeze Project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4gGstuS3jnxWQ_Fi8WzD_DLgxcmN46iP2CO5rvFXExfv4sU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 19, 2006 RNews http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm? ID=3D37031&rnews_story_type=3D51&category=3D10 by Dan Smith=20 Rochester, NY -- Monroe County's Industrial Development Agency approved=20 sales tax breaks for a $220,000 improvement project at Seabreeze=20 Amusement Park. Seabreeze plans to expand its water park and install a new ultraviolet=20 water purification system. Seabreeze attracts more than 300,000 visitors a year and qualified for=20 the tax break as a tourist destination. ----------- =A9 2006 Time Warner Cable From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 13:44:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 203 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 20:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:44:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 20:44:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:44:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tot wanders away, nearly drowns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pgpOyVSq6HVX6Td8Cw_A9MZgNIR1xpax26Ej5rPciJ58Kvk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 APril 20, 2006 Arizona Daily Star http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/allheadlines/125495.php By Alexis Huicochea =20 Tucson, AZ -- A 2-y.o. boy nearly drowned Tuesday night at Golf N'=20 Stuff, an amusement park on the East Side, when he wandered away from=20 his family and fell into a shallow pond, officials said Wednesday. The toddler was sitting in a stroller while his family was playing in=20 the arcade when he managed to get out and walk outside to a pond that=20 is about 3' deep, said Ted Williams, MG at GN'S, 6503 E. Tanque Verde=20 Road. While no one saw the boy fall into the pond, Williams said that he=20 was likely distracted by the ducks in the water. The boy's father pulled him out of the pond around 8:30 p.m. and=20 began to perform CPR, said Amy Mullen, a manager at GN'S. Meanwhile,=20 an employee was calling 911. Mullen said that while paramedics were en route, the boy coughed up=20 water and eventually began to cry. The boy was taken to a hospital in critical condition, but he is=20 expected to live, said Capt. Paul McDonough, a Tucson Fire Department=20 spokesman. "Small children need constant supervision," he said in an=20 e-mail about the incident. "It only takes a moment to lose track of=20 them." The GN'S corporate office is reviewing the situation, Williams said.=20 In the 30 years the park has been at that location, nothing like this=20 has happened before, he added. "Kids get separated from their parents=20 all the time," Williams said. "Had his parents paid attention, this=20 little child would not have wandered off." He said that he was glad the boy is OK and given the circumstances,=20 everyone involved reacted to the situation promptly. ------------ =A9 1999-2006 AzStarNet, Arizona Daily Star From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 14:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12624 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 21:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 21:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 21:04:40 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so484103nzo for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.193.10 with SMTP id q10mr894120qbf; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.16 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:04:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Sesame Place opens May 6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=daklZRM0Ocp4-vtF_00CZVYEDPbnJCMs80J37rP8Tl5mKI0sI0ddfp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Sesame Place, the children's amusement park near the > Oxford Valley Mall in Middletown, is almost ready for another > season. > The park, which will feature three new rides this year, will > open May 6. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what these three rides are?=20 If I had to guess, it looks like a Zamperla Rockin' Tug ("Peek-a-Bug"), a Zamperla Jump 'n' Smile ("Blast Off"), and a Zamperla Telecombat ("Flyin' Fish"). Anyone know for sure? Also, does anyone know if people actually pay $41 to visit this park? :-) In other news, I didn't know Sesame Place had a B&M inverted coaster... (http://www.sesameplace.com - check out the upper-right corner!) -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 15:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93848 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 22:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 22:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 22:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6560 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:39:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060421223924.6558.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.231.20] by web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:39:24 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:39:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145555200.282.18766.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UiJLbNpl6cYzhP9RaCroOTajiuwxkFIq7c7FyFDobJecb6KE-moH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Callahan, who added he has plans to incorporate historic elements into hi= s development -- the main road of the residential property, for=20 example, will be called the Midway. < That sounds like some sort of sick joke. Why not have the entrance to the p= roperty be the old Whalom Circle Swings structure that served as their sign= ? Spruce it up and slap the name of the condos on it. Or how about that g= orgeous chrome Circle Swing ship that sat on the midway? Why not make that= a centerpiece. But no, it's a lot easier and cheaper to call a road "Midw= ay," which won't make any sense to people several years from now. * sigh * Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 15:49:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34712 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 22:49:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 44742 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060421224917.44740.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.231.20] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:17 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145630110.292.24291.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EeVNhIK06hp6DXXA6_RmDO2ZfFTu-wZ4i7EWBG9-zK34zQ6VEWsu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me that would probably be the Vekoma Wild Mouse at Idlewild. I really thought that car was going to come flying off the track. Coney's Cyclone was interesting: my first ride in the front seat was pleasant and I didn't think to much of the coaster. Then I rode in the back seat, and I was amazed that I made it out uninjured. What a schizophrenic ride. Jay --------------------------------- Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 16:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83092 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:03:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:03:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.141.131.161 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=PfsjaGQ7lilWt3Zz5XqDKhLVQDoFROdjNicDidbaeNg2z81stI7kCtE X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" wrote: > > There has been one ride though that has been as terrifying an > experience as any- the 300 foot skycoaster at Old Town in Kissimmee.=20 > Getting up to the top and that first plunge is as scared as I've ever > been. I've always joked about wondering what a person's last words > would be when they thought they were going to die, and I think I found > out what mine are during that (but at least they weren't "bad" words, > hehe). >=20 is that still there - RCDB doesn't list it, and neither does their http://www.old-town.com/ site From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 16:08:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75270 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 23:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 23:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 23:08:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:08:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:08:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:08:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.141.131.161 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=KZzztpPzaijgb0QLIUiJAcAbOWzQ7GS5FXEiw_cAKFdbl2bE5sZ7D3o X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" wrote: > > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly terrifying "first > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. >=20 that would probably be the first coaster I did - the one at the pleasure beach great yarmouth, got real butterflies on the way up the hill!!=20 oh - and my first pirate ship ride was pretty scary too! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 16:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7587 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 23:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2006 23:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 23:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2006 23:12:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:12:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.141.131.161 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Tot wanders away, nearly drowns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=wdVyrAXat4pSZLqkFfIm_VXEsVpytd5YAOmes__o4MlCdUe7rYANsJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > APril 20, 2006 > Arizona Daily Star > http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/allheadlines/125495.php > By Alexis Huicochea >=20 Maybe they should put up warning signs at the park then. The parents should sue!=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 17:09:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42430 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 00:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 00:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 00:09:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 00:09:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 00:08:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:08:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060421223924.6558.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.134.14.24 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: Another attempt to save Whalom Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=j2DtqPCWNfuzc7khSrAK4kYp8vLbDZSG4qH8tL2X4hWLgpIMeiyL X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > Callahan, who added he has plans to incorporate historic elements into his development -- the main road of the residential property, for=20 > example, will be called the Midway. < >=20 > That sounds like some sort of sick joke. Why not have the entrance to > the property be the old Whalom Circle Swings structure that served as > their sign? Spruce it up and slap the name of the condos on it.=20=20 I'm an urban planner, and there's an old joke that the names they give housing tracts are whatever they tore down or bulldozed under to build the houses... Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 17:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40335 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 00:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 00:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 00:24:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 00:24:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 00:23:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:23:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.134.14.24 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=0StRHiT5VZReqO1FG3aKzH22Cw_r_0TRnnJZ3_qpNDsnc5HEAQRL X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" > wrote: > > the 300 foot skycoaster at Old Town in Kissimmee.=20 > is that still there - RCDB doesn't list it, and neither does their > http://www.old-town.com/ site Skycoasters aren't rollercoasters at all; they're those big slingshot things that send you flying around suspended on bungee cords. Old Town calls theirs the Old Town Slingshot, but a lot of places call them Skycoasters. That name always bugged me, and it confused the heck out of me the first time I saw it. "I didn't know they had a big roller coaster there..." Never been on one myself... I've always balked at the upcharge fees parks charge for them. They actually look pretty thrilling, but I'm always afraid I'm going to get motion sickness on things like that. I've even felt queasy on drop towers--- not from the height or the drop itself, but from the bouncing up and down at the bottom. I don't think I've really been terrified on a coaster since I was a little kid. Certainly some big adrenaline rushes from things like the big face-first drop on X, or some heart-pounding anticipation before a launched coaster, but that's not precisely the same as fear. Last year I rode V2 at SFMW and realized just before the launch that I hadn't secured my glasses, and so I had actual fear that I was going to lose them, though it was fairly mild as far as fear goes. Back in college I went rock-climbing once in Joshua Tree with some friends, and the first time I stepped off the top of the rock face to rapell to the bottom, I really did feel like I was going to die. That was fear. If coasters did that to me, I don't think I would like them. I've never gone rock climbing again; I most found it to be tiring and frustrating. Coasters are thrilling and fun. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 21 17:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10478 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 00:49:09 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX6JA-00070f-M6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:49:08 -0400 Message-ID: <44497D8E.6050300@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:49:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a9751081dc59119ac9878d71135cfde05400350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6jhUMcY5Mxpk11lmdQvDgYtsicu05Be5GsJ_S7yxEI49O3U X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" > wrote: > > > > > There has been one ride though that has been as terrifying an > > experience as any- the 300 foot skycoaster at Old Town in Kissimmee. > > Getting up to the top and that first plunge is as scared as I've ever > > been. I've always joked about wondering what a person's last words > > would be when they thought they were going to die, and I think I found > > out what mine are during that (but at least they weren't "bad" words, > > hehe). > > > > is that still there - RCDB doesn't list it, and neither does their > http://www.old-town.com/ site > It's absolutely still there. RCDB doesn't list it, or any skycoasters, because they aren't coasters, in spite of the name. It's also next to Old Town, but it's officially not a part of Old Town. They do have a website, but it's possibly one of the worst websites I've ever seen: http://www.skycoaster.cc/ keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 21 17:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7563 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX6LS-0000ee-Au for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:30 -0400 Message-ID: <44497E1D.6030907@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a975dcbc47282de6ce975eb5a3a76d5323f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=o24EiBjQeAJ7dZTL5jJ5P-3CnQM9NEvFPSqsn5tHidkHFuc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus" > wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" > > wrote: > > > the 300 foot skycoaster at Old Town in Kissimmee. > > > is that still there - RCDB doesn't list it, and neither does their > > http://www.old-town.com/ site > > Skycoasters aren't rollercoasters at all; they're those big slingshot > things that send you flying around suspended on bungee cords. Old Town > calls theirs the Old Town Slingshot, but a lot of places call them > Skycoasters. That name always bugged me, and it confused the heck out > of me the first time I saw it. "I didn't know they had a big roller > coaster there..." Sorry Adam, you're mixing the rides up. There is also a slingshot in Old Town. Skycoasters don't have bungees. They're reinforced steel cables, if I remember right, and they pull you up to the top of a tower while you're suspended under the cable, then let you go to free fall and swing when you reach the end of the cables' length. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. 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Sandi =20 From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 21 20:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52883 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.166) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 03:12:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 4281 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2006 03:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20060422031240.4279.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.71.70.117] by web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:12:40 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:12:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD006231A5@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cornell Spradling Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=by8BGf85qmHXAKRo2sR5ZACFpcLQWN_q8oeiGKZOjsc_aeqoJZOBDl6dmm1eatY X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my gosh, that one takes me back to 1979, until then, I would not even ride the Mini Mine train at Six Flags Over Texas, my mother tried to get me on some, but my fear overcame me, and I quickly declined, but alas, I too was the victim of peer pressure, and wound up on the ride that terrified me the most at that time, Shock Wave, Thank God for peer pressure, havent looked back since, The bigger the better. Anybody remember the Big Bend from the same park? Before Shock Wave? Now Titan seems like a kiddie ride to me, yet it is the biggest coaster I have yet to ride, but I think this summer at Cedar Point might solve that problem.. I am ready to ride. Jon Zucker wrote: > Can you guys remember your first rollercoaster ride? I was about 11 and finally succumbed to peer pressure one August night at Playland (Rye). My first coaster ride was on the small-ish Monster Mouse, a typical wild mouse. I followed that up with a ride on my first "real" (full size, woodie) coaster, the Dragon Coaster. I've been a junkie ever since. My name is Jon ("Hi, Jon!"), and I'm a coasterholic. ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Roller coaster Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Cornell Spradling mskr63@sbcglobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 22:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82238 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 05:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 05:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 05:14:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 05:12:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 05:12:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:12:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44497E1D.6030907@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.27.122 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=P2t65B9GWrZHsY8UEGvn0rjaFhxREraSYJfTkxvtosCbVJxWz1bA X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Sorry Adam, you're mixing the rides up.=20 Oh, OK, you're right. My mistake. Anyway, it's still a misleading name for a ride. ("Robocoaster" is a similarly misnamed ride, too.) Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 22:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86701 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 05:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 05:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 05:18:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 05:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 05:18:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:18:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060422031240.4279.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.27.122 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ZguHEwuDWv-zyWKCiVNW-T4teXKlzuFC7RwDLl4z4xXVLWGFxhWK X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani So, did anybody here start riding with one of the really big boys, like a multi-element looper, a hypercoaster, or a big woodie? I guess everybody starts out on the milder rides, which of course seem terrifying to a little kid. But it would be pretty funny if you had grown up without riding coasters at all, and were then dragged onto X for your first experience. Now THAT would be terrifying. Or, if not that, did anybody make the leap from a kiddie or mild family coaster all the way up to one of the big ones? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 00:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68665 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 07:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 07:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 07:55:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 07:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 07:54:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:54:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=MuUkUgWmjRbsjk6Jt2iIeYBzXqKpzc-sXQTQhocMkH9xQAM5qg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > > > What coaster would you nominate as the most properly=20 > terrifying "first > > > experience" - that is, the first time you rode it. Hmm. First time on Dragster. The only launched rides I'd been on were=20 Schwartzkopfs, FoF, S:TE and Mr. Freeze. I'm not too happy about=20 heights in general and 420' is quite a leap from Millenium Force. I=20 loved it, of course.=20 Dodonpa didn't scare me the first time. I'd been on H:XLC by then, so=20 I thought I knew what to expect. I'd been on Dragster, too, and=20 that's faster and so much higher. Now, everytime I get on that=20 monster it freaks me out. The air on the spike is probably the most=20 forceful of any ride I've been on, and I get nervous, thinking that=20 term 'Ejector Air' probably wouldn't exist if people hadn't been=20 ejected from rides in the past. "Please stay closed, Mr. Lap Bar!"=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 01:22:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37223 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 08:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 08:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 08:22:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 08:22:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 08:22:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 08:22:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:22:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Memphis amusement park expects $1 million from sale of carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=f8JOV9J7jKwGGfUhwo-XtTHtN96YCFcKBDq_ceN1cOP5hJQiMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm confused. If it's on the National Register of Historic Places,=20 how can it be sold or moved. OK. Sold, I can see. But, doesn't it=20 have to stay where it is?=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > April 21, 2006 > Associated Press > WREG-TV > http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4776156&nav=3D3HvE >=20 >=20 > MEMPHIS, TN -- A Memphis amusement park is selling its nearly=20 century- > old carousel. >=20 > The ride is hand-carved and carries only horses. Historians believe=20 > it will fetch close to a million-dollar price. >=20 > Advertisement Mid-South Fair Incorporated is trying to sell the=20 > carousel after closing its Libertyland amusement park after years=20 of=20 > financial struggle. The Mid-South Fair is also facing a costly=20 > relocation for the annual fair. >=20 > The carousel is on the National Register of Historic Places. It was=20 > built in 1909 by the Dentzel Carousel Company. Its first home was=20 > Chicago, but it's been in Memphis since the early 20s. >=20 > Historians are suggesting the Memphis Zoo, the Children's Museum of=20 > Memphis and Mud Island as possible new locations for the carousel. > ---------- > Copyright 2006 Associated Press > Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WREG > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 02:11:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27831 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 09:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 09:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 09:11:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 09:10:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 09:10:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:10:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060421224917.44740.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KEDWN1rzMa5fRNKNrLU1iwscEZnwOsSr3MUYBu1O43dEBPBJZg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > Coney's Cyclone was interesting: my first ride in the front seat was=20 pleasant and I didn't think to much of the coaster. Then I rode in the=20 back seat, and I was amazed that I made it out uninjured. What a=20 schizophrenic ride. >=20 > Jay Yeah, isn't it greatthat way? ;) I found Raging Wolf Bobs similar in that respect. Chris B From robinsr@bbtel.com Sat Apr 22 05:59:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: robinsr@bbtel.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40687 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 12:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 12:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.bbtel.com) (66.38.0.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 12:59:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion.bbtel.com (6-136.mod.bbtel.com [66.38.6.136]) by bn6.blue.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/SMTP) with ESMTP id k3MCx0AO022399 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:59:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20060422080346.00ba9760@mail.bbtel.com> X-Sender: robinsr@mail.bbtel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:07:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145675563.2395.52888.m21@yahoogroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: 66.38.0.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Rick Robinson Subject: RE: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4252545; y=Zge9BLO06Jlco68gK0oG4mg_fev-uiS4JWM--rT40tF-fXX3-wQTQw X-Yahoo-Profile: robinson_rick Back about 1958 or 1959, my older cousin took me on the Cyclone at LeSourdsville Lake. That old wooden sucker ALWAYS shook like it was gonna come right down. I also remember about that same time, the Wild Mouse at Cedar Point. >Jon Zucker wrote: > Can you guys remember your >first rollercoaster ride? > > I was about 11 and finally succumbed to peer pressure one August >night at Playland (Rye). My first coaster ride was on the small-ish >Monster Mouse, a typical wild mouse. I followed that up with a ride on >my first "real" (full size, woodie) coaster, the Dragon Coaster. > > I've been a junkie ever since. From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Apr 22 09:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12176 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 16:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 16:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 16:11:03 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.28c.91f3748 (48624) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28c.91f3748.317baf57@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:09:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The coaster at Lesourdsville Lake was actually called The Rocket, before it was named Screechin Eagle in the late 1970's. It was called Cyclone when it was at Moxhala Amusement Park in Zanesville, Ohio. It was built in 1927 as Cyclone at that park and then moved to Lesourdsville Lake in 1939. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 11:33:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34699 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.77) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 18:28:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 18:27:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2006 18:27:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:27:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.134.12.167 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Memphis amusement park expects $1 million from sale of carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=6ibrkMPpeZxCXeDmIFytbHgUcNLJlT2bRlV2ytQWpa13f-6MAmE1 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > I'm confused. If it's on the National Register of Historic Places,=20 > how can it be sold or moved. OK. Sold, I can see. But, doesn't it=20 > have to stay where it is?=20 Being on the NRoHP is a nice status for a place to have, but it doesn't necessarily confer any limits on what someone can do with their property. See this website: http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/results.htm You're eligible for certain tax incentives and other federal considerations, but "...owners of private property listed in the National Register are free to maintain, manage, or dispose of their property as they choose provided that there is no Federal involvement." There may be state or local laws governing what can be done with registered historical properties. Generally these sorts of laws would require some sort of extra review before the property is altered, but they wouldn't necessarily preclude you from eventually doing whatever you wanted with it. If a place is really going to be preserved in perpetuity, ownership would probably need to either pass into public hands or into some kind of privately-held conservancy. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat Apr 22 15:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8763 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 22:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2006 22:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 22:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16161 invoked by uid 99); 22 Apr 2006 22:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060422225924.16160.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 22 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.167.154 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=L9t4k0KGWYXuNAX2kFDz9PajbX_0L94GZQMCJtWvRBwJHXjh X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I started with the Screamin Eagle at SFStL in 1976 (after I had been out of college for a couple of years!) I parents say that I may have ridden the coaster at Wisconsin State Fair Park when I was in grade school but I do not remember it at all. The rides were removed in the early 60s and since then the fair has always brought in traveling carnivals. Never rode many rides at carnivals or fairs as a teanager because we just never went those places. There was also a small amusement park in Rockford Il that we went to a few times. My dad took some pictures of my brother and I on some of the flats but I do not think we ever rode their kiddie coaster either. > So, did anybody here start riding with one of the really big boys, > like a multi-element looper, a hypercoaster, or a big woodie? I guess > everybody starts out on the milder rides, which of course seem > terrifying to a little kid. But it would be pretty funny if you had > grown up without riding coasters at all, and were then dragged onto X > for your first experience. Now THAT would be terrifying. > > Or, if not that, did anybody make the leap from a kiddie or mild > family coaster all the way up to one of the big ones? > Dave Rounds From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 03:14:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33164 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 10:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 10:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 10:14:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2006 10:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2006 10:14:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:13:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Memphis amusement park expects $1 million from sale of carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=H6MXGZVFtH8aEO_Yfncl0UJahB2MoqCpZcy0UTxWvCArbHD9yA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Thanks for the info, Adam. I always thought that the registry was a=20 way to help protect historical landmarks. I guess I shouldn't be=20 surprised that it's just a tax shelter scheme. Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > Being on the NRoHP is a nice status for a place to have, but it > doesn't necessarily confer any limits on what someone can do with > their property. See this website: > http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/results.htm >=20 > You're eligible for certain tax incentives and other federal > considerations, but "...owners of private property listed in the > National Register are free to maintain, manage, or dispose of their > property as they choose provided that there is no Federal=20 involvement." >=20 > There may be state or local laws governing what can be done with > registered historical properties. Generally these sorts of laws=20 would > require some sort of extra review before the property is altered,=20 but > they wouldn't necessarily preclude you from eventually doing=20 whatever > you wanted with it. >=20 > If a place is really going to be preserved in perpetuity, ownership > would probably need to either pass into public hands or into some=20 kind > of privately-held conservancy. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > From MrStratosphere@aol.com Sun Apr 23 03:36:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57072 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 10:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 10:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 10:36:41 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.3d7.385787 (4402) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d7.385787.317cb29e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:36:14 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Any news on Tatsu? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=K3ghdgy6XigC8ZS7v5DnSYoxq_JXxANlSXmVUSsKciyLVRjC6ddC X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just walked in the door from our trip this weekend to SFMM. I will have a trip report posted soon. Just some quick news that they seem to be doing full testing on Tatsu, it was running all day today (Friday) without the dummies, so to me that seems to be very good news!!! A little side note on our trip, we went to Knotts thursday, and SFMM friday and sat. Knotts was horibble at dispatching trains on thursday and line jumpers were outa contol!!! SFMM was doing alright, X had an hour wait each day, got 2 rides on it each day and seemed to be running fine! but SFMM was stacking trains too. Full report to come soon! John In a message dated 4/20/2006 7:52:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: It actually looks like a great ride, but boy is it ugly! Track and supports all higaldy-pigaldy like that .. and that orange colour .. yuch! Still, it looks like it'll be a really fun ride, and I'm quite envious. Please let us know how it is, John. Cameron. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 03:50:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20620 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 10:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 10:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 10:50:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2006 10:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2006 10:50:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:50:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.151.217 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Memphis amusement park expects $1 million from sale of carousel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=EkA4t76D8sc9oK5qcm9MYgU6E9FzAcqwoFJG8TaUeRzoyq9bkTvb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Thanks for the info, Adam. I always thought that the registry was a=20 > way to help protect historical landmarks. I guess I shouldn't be=20 > surprised that it's just a tax shelter scheme. Well, it's a small step, but laws about preservation and development are different from state to state and from locality to locality. Certainly in certain towns, having a registered property can be a little red flag that sets up all sorts of hoops one must jump through to do anything with it. And in others, it can mean very little other than perhaps some tax incentives for not changing the property. There are some other things on properties that can be much bigger brakes on development--- altering stream beds sets into motion a whole bunch of Army Corps of Engineers regulations, and if you find Indian artifacts or bones when you start digging, expect major delays. Certain environmental laws apply nationally, but they can vary a lot. I spoke to some archaeologists I work with and they said that California is definitely the best place to find work in their field, as the laws are stricter here and they're enforced more rigorously. Historical preservation, unfortunately, is a ways down the list when it comes to "things that will affect whether you can build something or tear it down." Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 11:53:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57684 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 18:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2006 18:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 18:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 32452 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2006 18:52:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060423185211.32450.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.8.250] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:52:11 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145798959.2034.78924.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MXiHqWJsSE4BdqLkpDOVBzYgWYsxJQ7TYQrpDzyKDlPXYnwiK4k2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Shapiro outlines his views for the future of Six Flags. > http://www.courant.com/business/hc-sixflags0414.artapr14,0,5407422.story?coll=hc-headlines-business < I think the corporation is on the right track, if they're able to follow through with their ambitious goals. A park has to appeal to all demographics to stay alive, not just teens. I disagree though with his assessment that the big coasters were a mistake. Every now and then a park needs a major attraction to re-energize the public. SROS was not a waste of money; it's possibly the greatest roller coaster ever built and has been a publicity magnet for the park. It put the old Riverside on the map in a big way. No little family-oriented ride would have been able to do that. More of a problem, IMO, was the mismanagement by the former corporate heads. Mr. Six was a step in the right direction (and I'm glad they're not ditching him after all, as annoying as he is), but claiming to be a family park yet still focusing on thrill rides was a poor decision. Shapiro is heading in the right direction; time will tell if the new corporate model succeeds. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 10:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60888 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 17:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 17:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.92) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 17:53:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 86242 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2006 17:53:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060424175318.86240.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.235.15.24] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:53:18 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:53:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145891062.432.57950.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re: the supposed "new" six flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=tug77pCsdN_sm2qkt6r0D3BpMwDgaCy2jHfsJmfmX_7XiF8PKHCV X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Okay, I was gonna say this a while ago, but was just too lazy. After hearing of all these so called "improvements" that the new SF was going to make, I was actually looking forward to our visit to SFMM last month. Our previous visits in the past 2 years were complete nightmares, with one hour plus waits with single trains on all thier rides and horrible customer service from ride attendents when trying to deal with things like parent swap. I think both times we rode the ninja and gold rusher and that was it. Oh and Screamm, because it was new so it had full staffing. So we showed up and paid the $15 parking fee. I knew it was going to be there, but it still hit me pretty hard when I saw it. Then the signs lied to us about the cost of getting our 3 yr old a season pass. (we had ours already) It said "buy one days admission get a free upgrade." Well, a child admission was $30, but they still tried to charge us $60. Couldn't argue with the guy, ended up getting a single day ticket for $30 and eventually getting our money back. So all these new price increases are supposed to improve the park huh? All of the big coasters still had one train operations. The only additional staffing I saw was the girl at the entrance to Goliath explaining that the wait was going to be very long because of one train ops. The food prices were the same, but I had to call a manager over to have the cashier get me a glass of water, he'd only sell me a bottle. Bottom line, besides William having a great time in the kids area, we rode the Gold Rusher again and then left. Still an absolute waste of time and money. I saw nothing that had improved over our last visits 2 years ago, and even more of the big rides were closed this time. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that Ninja and Revolution were closed because of Tatsu construction. Can any locals contradict me on this? I'd love to hear that the place has improved because the place has so much potential. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 24 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95084 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3OIA2fA016753 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:02 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060423185211.32450.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060423185211.32450.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 18:10:02.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EB57F50:01C667CA] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=oIJAFi3jeBc96GqCueiYT1LPpDVmIE9BTNOSwLO-OQV-aEZL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, Sorry, but Shapiro is on crack. There's no way he's going to turn Six Flags into Disney. Most of what makes Disney special is the novelty, it just can't be mass produced. Once you mass produce it, it looses what makes it so special. He's also fooling himself if he thinks he can just tell people "oh, we're like Disney now", and that they'll accept it. If you go talk to any normal person (ie: non-coaster-geek) about Six Flags, I think you'll find that they won't mention anything about heavily braked rides, clones, single train operation, or anything like that. They will almost certainly say that Six Flags is a rip-off. Now Shapiro is making it worse! People know Disney is expensive, but it's worth the money. You have families save for months, maybe even years, to do their big family summer trip to Disney in Florida. How many people do you think are going to save for months and months, and pack their family into the car to go to ... ... to Gurnee IL?! I mean, be realistic here. I love Six Flags Great America, but it's no Disney and it never will be. The fact that I know this, means that he must know it as well .. which leads me to the conclusion that he's no different to the previous Six Flags management .. just spouting off crap to the media and stock-holders, that he no intention or ability to uphold. This line particularly cracked me up (from the article you posted, Jay): "You want to have a sense of the surreal, a sense of awe" ... yeah right .. And Pappa John's and T-Mobile booths every five feet is really awe-inspiring. Give me a freaking break! I can't wait for the reports later in the summer, when Shapiro blames the lower attendance on bad weather! I heard a radio commercial for Six Flags Great America this morning .. it was a totally and completely uninspired thing that might as well have been selling hemorrhoid cream. Not very Disney at all. Shapiro needs to go visit places like Indy Beach, Kennywood and Holiday World (amongst others). At least those parks represent an attainable goal (still very difficult, but not impossible). None of those parks are even remotely like Disney .. I mean, Holiday World still has rides mounted on trailers! But those parks are awesome .. they offer good rides, great value, and great service. They're all extremely family friendly, and keep shattering their own attendance records because they know that the best way to make money is to be nice to people. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Apr 24 11:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56150 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 18:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 18:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 18:12:53 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3OICWXV028840 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.165.27.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38978.12.165.27.130.1145902352.squirrel@12.165.27.130> In-Reply-To: <20060424175318.86240.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1145891062.432.57950.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060424175318.86240.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: the supposed 'new' six flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=J7q3YdrI6c-WKEN1eUTA3YWSWOvvYto5SfZklodssA4fTEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Still an absolute waste of time and money. I saw > nothing that had improved over our last visits 2 years > ago, and even more of the big rides were closed this > time. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that > Ninja and Revolution were closed because of Tatsu > construction. Maybe Tragic Mountain is just a lost cause? I've heard good things coming out of Great Adventure, and I had a wonderful time at Six Flags over Georgia this weekend (granted, that was already one of my favorite parks in the chain, AND they were hosting Spring Fling this weekend). Lines were moving well for the most part, the park was clean, costumed characters were all over the place. -- -Greg From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 12:02:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49447 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 19:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 19:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 19:02:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2006 19:02:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2006 19:02:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:02:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nova Scotia approves controversial $350,000 loan to amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PgejFHr0y0nvIBiLTEQRqyLwf9JCHkNE0eV2tFO_Ypl2Vos X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 24, 2006=20 Canadian Press=20 http://www.canada.com/cityguides/halifax/info/story.html?id=3Da56a0914- 67a5-42d6-b5b2-70dba50d5720&k=3D30018 HALIFAX, Nova Scotia, CA -- The Nova Scotia government has given its=20 final approval to a controversial $350,000 loan to a Pictou County=20 amusement park. Economic Development Minister Kerry Morash said Friday that Magic=20 Valley Fun Park has a revised business plan that is "balanced and=20 achievable." "The plan is to expand the park over time, giving families a reason=20 to keep coming back," he said in a release. "By working with other=20 businesses and community groups, more visitors are likely to hear=20 about, and come to, the park, stay longer and spend more money in the=20 region." The park in Greenhill, N.S., is owned by Bill and Celeste MacNeil -=20 family friends of former premier John Hamm. Hamm was still in office when the forgivable loan was first approved=20 by cabinet, prompting outrage from the opposition. Hamm told the legislature's public accounts committee last month that=20 he was aware of a personal conflict in the case and wasn't in the=20 cabinet room when the initial approval was made. Morash said the revised plan calls for the addition of new rides at=20 the park every year. Existing attractions, including a children's=20 play area, will also be upgraded. The goal is to increase attendance from just 10,000 last season to=20 25,000 by 2008. The loan was approved even though the amusement park still has an=20 outstanding loan balance of $234,000 owed to Nova Scotia Business=20 Inc., the province's lending agency. The park hasn't made a payment on that loan, converted to interest- free status in 2002, for the past 6 years. Bill MacNeil said the new loan "puts us in a stronger financial=20 position to establish a program of capital re-investment to continue=20 to develop the park year after year." Another controversial loan, for $250,000 to a Nova Scotia potato=20 farm, led to the resignation in February of Economic Development=20 Minister Ernie Fage. Fage stepped down after it was revealed that S&J Potato Farms Inc.=20 leases land from his family.=20 ----------- =A9 The Canadian Press 2006 =A9 2006 CanWest Interactive From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 12:10:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81470 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 19:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 19:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 19:10:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2006 19:09:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2006 19:09:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:09:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Teen Reported Missing From Kings Island Found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nhPTEGtU4IIJ17angTjVnl-REx7AOzb0YZFTUlc0JzrgUGk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 23, 2006 Channel-5 Cincinnati http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/8934571/detail.html? rss=3Dcin&psp=3Dnews MASON, Ohio -- Investigators say they have have found a teenage boy who=20 went missing from Kings Island on Saturday afternoon. James Johnson, 15, was last seen at the amusement park at about 5 p.m.=20 with 3 girls. Police said he might be near Monroe, Ohio, based on=20 reports that the girls possibly were from that area. Police said Johnson has a medical condition that may appear as a severe=20 headache or immobilize him, and he's without his medication. Sunday, Mason police said Johnson had been located safely in Middletown. Copyright 2006 by ChannelCincinnati.com. From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Apr 24 14:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92617 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 21:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 21:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 21:36:01 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so822930ugc for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr232011hue; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604241436n1106942cia9fac316175af0e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:36:00 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: TR: SFoG (Sleep? Who needs sleep?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=tf1f87q-tZw6P19jP2gB_tcmBXtRbhbSWXAiCN0SosBwU9nO X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons The Friday night storms (both in Detroit AND Atlanta) only delayed my flight by 40 minutes and made a good chunk of the two hour flight feel a bit like a coaster ride. I prefer that sensation when there are wheels holding me on a track though. Finally arrived and walked the tunnel from the C concourse all the way to baggage claim, didn't realize that was going to be the hike it was... I spent Friday night at my cousin's place in midtown Atlanta, not the greatest neighborhood, but a nice enough apartment and he seems to love it there. The rain drowned out the noise from the two nightclubs he's between, but we still ended up sitting up until almost 3am watching a movie and chatting. Sleeping on the floor didn't allow for a whole lot of rest either and the early morning alarm came way too soon. We made the drive to the park and got there right at 8:30, meeting my friends Matt and Nicole at the gate. I walked over and got in a quick greeting to other friends Brian (not the one that posts here) and Josh while getting my packet and we made the hike back to Nicole's car to drop off all my stuff. Back in the park, we had no idea where we were going, but followed the crowd to Goliath. They sent out two test trains, we loaded the station, and it started to rain. And it continued to rain. We sat and chatted for what felt like forever, it cleared up, but there was another storm right behind it. Then it rained some more. The only hope we were having at this point was that the weather would keep the crowds down. What felt like forever passed with others who had been trapped in the rain making their way to the station. We saw and greeted just about everyone at some point while we were up there. Once the park started opening up and the rain cleared out and the other rides were starting to open up, Nicole, Matt, John, Patrick and I decided that a) we didn't want to wait all day for a ride we'd have ERT on at night, especially since 4 of the 5 of us hadn't visited the park before, and b) if we didn't get to the bathroom soon, the rest of the day was going to be pretty miserable. So, we got out of line, found the nearest restroom and got in line for Mindbender instead. A short while later we had ridden and we started walking around. At this point it was nearly lunch time, so instead of riding anything else, we took the skyride to the back corner of the park, saw that Deja was running, saw that the line was long and after getting ourselves completely turned around and finally getting a map, we made it back to the picnic pavillion for lunch. John layed down the law and we had a plan set for the afternoon. Lunch was good and we headed out to play catch up after basically missing riding anything all morning. Oh, did I mention? The rain did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to keep the crowds in the park down. I think there was a band and choir event and some other organized things going on, and despite the early morning rain, there were still a ton of people in the park. After lunch, we waited about 30 minutes for the Great American Scream Machine. This was an enjoyable out and back. Not the smoothest or the fastest, but definitely nothing awful about it either. We waited another 30-40 minutes for Ninja which didn't even look to have a second train onsite. It's definitely been freshly painted, and that was really the only thing it had going for it. Those OTSRs hit me in just the right place that if I weren't bracing myself for the impact, I'd probably have a visibly bruised jaw. Another 1 1/2 hour wait for SUF, this completed my trio of these and the original is much more logical and interesting than the clones. Some of the turns that are just kind of there on the clones make much more sense when they interact with the terrain. It made for a better experience, but still very similar to the others in ride. We squeezed ourselves into the mine train which reminded me of the one in St. Louis. Lots of lifts that don't really go anywhere, but not brutal by any means and still fun. At this point we split so John and Nicole could do the season pass processing thing, and Patrick, Matt and I got into the line for Deja Vu. I'm quite certain that my absolute threshold is somewhere between 1 hour and 1 1/2 hours in a line. the 2 hour wait for Deja did not make me a very nice person. It didn't help that 1) it was Deja Vu 2) that means it breaks down, a lot 3) after one breakdown they got the ride back up and running, but broke the announcement system which proceeded to broadcast the "broken ride" announcement on a continual loop for about 40 minutes. 4) two trains away from us riding, it broke down again. But, after 2 hours of that hellish experience, we got on the ride and it was fun. Knowing the track record of this ride, I really was happy to have it running since we weren't expecting it to be but I am never waiting in that line again, we will definitely be getting a Q-Bot-Flash-Pass-whatever-it's-called-now when we go back in June. We made our way to the kiddie coaster and met up with everyone else there. This was actually a really fun family ride that made good use of the space and interacted with the area really nicely. We crammed 7 of us into a boat for Monster Plantation. This was a really cute dark ride. And from there made our way to Scorcher. Definitely a fun stand up, quite smooth, but I just really haven't come up with a way to fit into the B&M standups comfortably, they hit me wrong in all the wrong places... I'm convinced that I need to have no hips and bowed legs to ride one comfortably. The ride itself was fine though. A bad standup contorted into those restraints is hell, a good one is tollerable and this one was good. At this point, it was time to go for the Exclusive Show Time. We opted to get our packets and leave to go back into the park, Nicole and John made a car run before meeting Tina for their skycoaster ride while Matt, Patrick and I took in the Free Fall tower, the log flume, and we stopped for dinner at the mexican place near the theater we were to converge on before ERT. The group gathered, the park cleared and we were escorted into Gotham for the first leg of ERT on Batman and Mindbender. They also ran the waveswinger for ERT and I saw a few ride that as well. We still needed credit laps on Batman at this point so we headed there first intending to take one lap and ride mindbender. Batman was running exceptionally well, so we had to take a second lap and it was hard not to jump back in for a third, but we really wanted to get some more mindbender rides. So, we pulled ourselves away and took several rides on Mindbender until the 11:00 mark when the other three ERT rides were opened up. We decided to save Goliath for last and made our way to Georgia Cyclone and Acrophobia first. Brian gave me the sympathetic pre-ride apology (This is his favorite woodie and he swore it wasn't running at it's full potential), so we weren't expecting a spectacular ride, and it was admittedly bumpy... but in a good way. If that was Georgia Cyclone on a bad day, I'll definitely have to get a ride sometime when it's having a good day. Two rides was enough because of the roughness, but it was a blast and the air was insane, especially considering how much it felt like we needed to wedge into those tiny seats. Do women in Georgia not have hips? Both wooden coasters were a tight squeeze, and not just for me. We visited Acrophobia last expecting a quick stop on a simple drop tower before heading to Goliath. Damn, someone needs to put another one of these somewhere closer than Georgia. I know boys seem to take issue with where this ride trows all of your body weight at the brakes, but I don't have that problem. It takes a lot anymore for me to get that butterflies in the stomach nervous feeling from a ride, and usually drop towers are the ones that provide it briefly and fleeting. This one scared the crap out of me and I loved every second of it. I think this is what drives the obsession. Not just finding the elusive coasters and trying to "collect" a whole set of rides, but finding those rides few and far between that really truly instill that fear that most of us had the first time we rode something that was way more than we thought we could handle. The ones that combine the "fun" adrenaline with the "fear" adrenaline and take it to a whole new level. This, for me, was that elusive butterflies-in-the-stomach ride, and I didn't realize it til we were at the top of the tower, tilting out and waiting for that drop while seeing the ground 200 ft below our feet and knowing that the only thing keeping me in that seat at that angle was the restraints. Wow. So, of course we had to ride it a second time before pulling away to go finish the day at Goliath. Brian jumped on with Matt, Nicole and I for our first ride on Goliath all day, second to last row at 11:30 at night. I've always found the B&M hyper trains cushy and roomy and comphy and these were no exception. The steeper lift hill makes it feel like you're lying back in a recliner going up, nearly every hill on this ride delivers a healthy dose of air, both floaty and ejecty, and the last two before the station slam you back into your seat so hard that I was reminicing the doubledown on Phantom and hoping that the repeat rides weren't making me shorter. My thighs didn't bruise like I worried they may, but I'm still a little sore from those last few trips. It was the exclamaition point on a fun really long day. We gathered the troops, headed to the waffle house for a quick bedtime snack and crashed hard back at the hotel. Sunday morning came too quick, Nicole didn't factor in the 2-hour detour to Nashville in our drive time (had to drop Matt off at the airport there), so the 12-hour drive home was actually a 14-hour drive home, and I finally crawled into my own bed in Jackson at about 4 this morning. Great weekend, great friends, great park, and I am really looking forward to introducing Mike to the park in June when we get there. There really weren't any duds. I don't think I'll ride Ninja again, and I wouldn't wait as long for some of the rides, but they have a solid lineup of nice coasters in this park and while my calves weren't happy with all the hilly terrain, it really does add a lot to the atmosphere and to the rides. Beth From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Apr 24 15:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62340 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so764542ugf for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.17 with SMTP id g17mr234079hug; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604241504y47301be0k3a9c5108f1ebc1ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:04:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060423185211.32450.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=EYc0wi2ruKWMsBNu8Vp4j_6AjPYUhk6tTr_6bmi6W9GmwYmR X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I still want to see consistant delivery of the promises he's been making in the offseason before he starts expanding it further. For the most part, we had a fabulous visit at SFoG this last weekend. However there were still some points that fell into a lot of those articles we all read this winter that just weren't consistant. 1) Bathroom attendants - this was noticable but inconsistant. I used the restroom a couple times when there was someone in there either cleaning something or refilling something. I also encountered a bathroom where I had to walk out with wet hands because the paper towel hadn't been refilled. It's droves better than it's been in the past, but they set the expectation publicly and while that isn't something I normally concern myself with unless the bathrooms are exceptionally bad, because they said something publicly about it, it was something I noticed. 2) Characters - promised, delivered, they were everywhere. 3) Cleanliness/paint - having never been to this park before, I don't know have a point of reference. 4) no smoking - hit or miss. My friends saw a security guard matter of factly explain the policy to some smokers in a line and ask them to stop. I still saw a handful of people light up in line and some had employees walk right past them without so much as a glance. It was notably less-smokey on the midways though. 5) customer service - still hit or miss. They've added the 45th anniversary spiel to the announcements. Some employees are making an effort, some aren't. There were some issues around the season pass processing, and my friends encountered two fairly rude and unhelpful employees when trying to get their passes processed and another who then bent over backwards to accomodate them because of the negative experience. They walked away really happy, and that employee will be getting 3 kudos letters while the other two will have complaints logged against them. 6) reliability/efficiency - For the most part where possible, this was noticable. There were still coasters that weren't completely filling all the seats, there were some that were operating in a choose your own fashion and some that were assigning seats. We randomly had tickets handed to us but never taken back from us to try combat line jumping. The rides that could were running more than one train. Some of the assigned seat employees weren't doing the most logical of jobs loading the trains and having arguments with patrons about seat preferences. But you can also read my TR for the experiences with Deja Vu. I will be curious to see how the notable changes are reflected at SFGAm this weekend, and see if they stick at SFoG when I return later this season. Beth From onhisown@comcast.net Mon Apr 24 15:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41926 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.151) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 22:56:01 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060424223100m11005elo1e>; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:31:00 +0000 Message-ID: <047601c667ee$b42af7b0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: <74b0c9f30604241436n1106942cia9fac316175af0e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:30:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFoG (Sleep? Who needs sleep?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=U6NCkuG_cl3oyBkYTxZqiBdIl0VSW8LIfYYD44JmvCiqf9Id9SI X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the great TR! It looks I'll be waiting until next year to hit SFoG, but I definitely am looking forward to it. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 00:17:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33638 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 07:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 07:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 07:17:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 07:16:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 07:16:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 07:16:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:16:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38978.12.165.27.130.1145902352.squirrel@12.165.27.130> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.86.244 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: the supposed 'new' six flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=T6qD4zws6EDi9PoTedMePvsqsGokIgCmhQpei58fRnkuuJHsUJoK X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski" wrote: > Maybe Tragic Mountain is just a lost cause?=20 I'm one of the ones who's probably said the same things about Magic Mountain numerous times, so I'll try to keep it short here while making a few points. 1. I had a Playpass last year and only got around to using it a few times. It was only on the last time that I used it (it was a weekday just after Christmas) that I really got to go on a satisfying number of rides for the time (and 9$ parking) I spent. Still, X had something like a 90 minute wait shortly after opening. And the same story: maintenance poor, customer service poor, food overpriced. It was my best trip in a while, though, since I got to go on just about every coaster and only had one long wait. About the service: earlier in the year when I got the Playpass, the girl who was processing it was incompetent to the point of seriously not being able to perform the basic duties of her job. Eventually an older guy (like in his 50s) was able to help us. 2. Boy, Tatsu is awfully tempting, but even so, I decided not to get a Playpass this year after my less-than-overwhelming experience last year. Especially not with $15 parking. I'll wait until I get a good deal on a single-day ticket, or maybe hold off on a Playpass until next year, especially if I can schedule in some trips to other Six Flags parks to make it worth it. I'm sure Tatsu will be worth waiting for. 3. Individually, of course, the coasters at Magic Mountain are fantastic. But seriously--- do they really need to have five different multi-element loopers whose major difference is just the way that you're seated? Viper (sitting), Riddler (standing), Batman (inverted), Scream! (floorless), Tatsu (flying). Besides a couple of upcharge attractions (which I don't really count) and some new stuff at Bugs Bunny World a few years ago, I can't think of a single moderate-to-major capital improvement they've made since Tidal Wave in 1989 that wasn't a big, monster-sized coaster. With the various closures of smaller attractions like the Eagle's Flight and the Metro, the remaining rides at SFMM fall neatly into just a handful of categories: coasters, water rides, and a few old flat rides they haven't updated in decades. This park has 17 (by their count) coasters but has *never* had a dark ride. Maybe the really remarkable event this year is that they're reopening the Sky Tower. I like Scream, but what was the point? Couldn't they have used that money better? *whew* that's all for now. Adam From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 07:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92733 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 14:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 14:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 14:20:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 81246 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 14:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060425142004.81240.qmail@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.19.188.89] by web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:20:04 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Andrew Locke Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Discovery World (Taiwan)? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=Uh8ebu6BBGcgCCEQ3kxylAEQn_gGBCIdMva6c3TH-GJqZDKJrw X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Thanks Tom! Andrew --- "Tom G." wrote: > I have never been to Discovery World, but I did live > in Taiwan for a > couple of years a long time ago. Discovery World is > located in a > small town called Houli, which is about 15 miles > North of Taichung, > which is a large city. From Taipei, go to the main > train station > and take the fast train down to Taichung. From > there, you can take > a taxi up to Houli (pronounced "hoe-lee"). Or if > you have more time > and would like to save a few bucks, take one of the > slower trains > that makes a stop in Houli, and then a cab to the > park. They > probably have buses from both Houli and Taichung > that go to the > park, but that will raise you level of adventure up > a notch or two. > > The taxi drivers usually don't speak very much > English, but find > some young and educated looking person for help and > directions, and > they should speak some English and be very willing > to help out a > foreigner who is taking interest in exploring their > country. As a > whole, they are a very friendly people. Good > luck... > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" > > wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "dreamwave6" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I'm going to Taipei, Taiwan on business in June > and want to go > to > > > Discovery World to ride GravityMax (Vekoma's > only tilt coaster > in the > > > world). Have any of you ever been to Discovery > World? If so, > what > > > did you think? I'm having a hard time finding > information about > how > > > to get there and so forth. (I will need to rely > on public > > > transportation as I will not be renting a car > during my visit.) > > > > > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Andrew > > > > There's a photo trip report over at theme park > review from a guy > who > > went. I'm sure if you contact him he'd be glad to > help. Have you > tried > > babelfish or google to translate the (likely) > Taiwanese website to > see > > if they give transportation info? > > > > Chris B > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From serpmage@juno.com Tue Apr 25 09:45:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27589 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 16:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 16:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 16:45:32 -0000 Received: from webmail27.lax.untd.com (webmail27.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.167]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCE6WP6AAHYVVJ for (sender ); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail27.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNTMZBAM; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:19 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail27.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:43:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:43:05 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060425.094319.4326.1036569@webmail27.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:315179864 X-MAIL-INFO:4e40000c8111a981303011f5a9f564f01571356075d9bd890171153d25e00481bd X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hACZjWl5GSURRM5AgeBncFQlQ4BIhvwMJ1g== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.167|webmail27.lax.untd.com|webmail27.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=IgCH07qJUAFwuyZUw4tDBltHygkFKZ3pd3SvwtVmjbKUu3vQfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr > >Or, if not that, did anybody make the leap from a kiddie or mild >family coaster all the way up to one of the big ones? Well, as I said before, my first three coasters ever, in order were: MK Big Thunder Mountain PKI Racer PKI Vortex So my first time on a looping coaster was a little bigger than the corkscre= ws most people have started out on. ~Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 11:00:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64999 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 17:59:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 17:59:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 17:59:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:59:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604241436n1106942cia9fac316175af0e5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: SFoG (Sleep? Who needs sleep?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pybN7Aq6-rZbruGP0CeM6Uak0prqZ1t-fbCt3hKeLJYekvA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Ah...the euphoria of a good coaster trip. Thanks for the TR Beth! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 11:22:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29115 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 18:20:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 18:20:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 18:20:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:20:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Legislature votes to expand amusement park rides covered by state law X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Wnz5DlLyTj7r3sS4c7b27QiZaQrX70PNCyzr5YgNPQcHUgw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 25, 2006 Associated Press WTBH 8 http://www.wtnh.com/global/story.asp?s=3D4816138 =20 Hartford, CT -- The state House of Representatives has voted=20 unanimously to make more amusement park rides subject to state=20 regulations. Under the bill, the law now applies to rides that hold 1 or more=20 passengers, which will allow the state to regulate bungee jumps and=20 other similar devices. Previously, only rides with room for 5 or more=20 people were covered. The law does not apply to inflatable devices, such as moonwalks,=20 rented for private use. The bill now goes to Governor Rell. ----------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow, WTNH, and Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 11:25:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10120 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 18:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 18:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 18:25:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 18:25:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2006 18:25:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:25:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bills offered in reaction to 4 N.Y. amusement park deaths X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sho_SQ49OMhJbtIItamA7sPUhxBabZmBUXxMkG2MKjjcdV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 APril 25, 2006 WFSB 3 http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4811918 WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Under a bill made public Monday, children=20 younger than 11 wouldn't be allowed to ride alone on amusement park=20 attractions that take them out of the line of sight of the operators. The legislation, proposed by state Sen. Nicholas Spano, is among 6=20 bills resulting from an investigation into 4 amusement park deaths=20 last summer. One victim was 7.o. Jon-Kely Cassara, of Norwalk, CT,=20 who died when he got out of his boat and fell in a dark tunnel on a=20 ride at Playland Park in Rye. The bill would impose the age requirement when "all participants are=20 not visible to the person in charge" during the ride. A child under=20 11 could ride if accompanied by an adult or another child, said Spano=20 spokeswoman Nancy Probst. Spano, a Republican from Yonkers, and Sen. George Maziarz, a=20 Republican from North Tonawanda, held a hearing last month on=20 amusement park safety. "The deaths that occurred last year were=20 tragic," Spano said Monday. The new bills, he said, "will ensure the laws and regulations=20 governing amusement parks and carnivals are not only appropriate and=20 up to date but are being followed and enforced." Besides the Playland death, an adult patron and a worker were killed=20 at Adventureland in Farmingdale and a worker died at the state fair=20 in Syracuse. Playland uses height requirements rather than age requirements, and=20 Jon-Kely had satisfied the 42" rule for the boat ride, Ye Old Mill,=20 last Aug. 3. At the hearing, his mother, Elayne Cassara, testified=20 that she would not have allowed him on the ride by himself "had I=20 been properly informed of the true nature of this ride, that it was=20 designed to frighten the patrons, leading them through a long, dark,=20 unsupervised, scary tunnel." Cassara is suing Westchester County, owner of the amusement park. Deputy County Executive Larry Schwartz said Playland welcomes any=20 help in making it "safer than it already is," but he questioned how a=20 rule about 11-y.o.s could be enforced. "Are kids going to have to=20 stand on line with a birth certificate?" he asked. Cassara's lawyer, Jeffrey Kimmel, said Monday that the rule was "a=20 good first step" but said it would be better to impose a camera=20 system that would prevent young riders from being out of sight. He=20 said he was disappointed that the legislation did not include a=20 rating system like the G, PG and R labels for movies, which he had=20 suggested at the hearing. The other bills would establish an amusement park safety advisory=20 board, increase penalties for violations, create a database to track=20 inspections and safety records, begin a public awareness campaign on=20 safety and bring state standards for amusement devices into line with=20 national standards. -------------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press. Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WFSB From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Apr 26 06:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91246 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 13:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 13:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 13:50:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4040 invoked by uid 99); 26 Apr 2006 13:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060426134958.4039.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 26 Apr 2006 08:49:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Students make four-hour trip to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=iyTTqIsHmmK3tDAYisqf746zUX9CTPuczilVUjfwfrVLoJHn X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 April 25, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_fe_st/closed_park RENO, Nev. - Four bus loads of students from O'Brien Middle School made the four-hour trip to Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo, Calif., only to find the amusement park's gates locked Monday. The school- sponsored trip was supposed to reward top students. "It was pretty much a fiasco," said Washoe County School District spokesman Steve Mulvenon. "They ended up wasting a day that those kids could have better spent in class or doing what they were going to do at the park." School officials said the $50 fee will be refunded, and the tour company that arranged the trip has agreed to pay for the next one. "The tour company neglected to check the schedule," Mulvenon said. "It is just a bummer for the kids," said parent Jeff Wood. "Now, they will have to wait another month to go and a lot of the kids might not be able to go then." Principal Scott Grange said the school was even given printed tickets with Monday's date on them. "But shame on us for not checking," he said. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Apr 26 08:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23279 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 15:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 15:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 15:45:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 15:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 15:43:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:43:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Bills offered in reaction to 4 N.Y. amusement park deaths X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=mFeqYZWgu1zG6jpLN66Ets3w05F6KOjaWSEorQQjReKj4jc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > APril 25, 2006 > WFSB 3 > http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4811918 > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Under a bill made public Monday, children=20 > younger than 11 wouldn't be allowed to ride alone on amusement park=20 > attractions that take them out of the line of sight of the operators. >=20 Hmm, maybe I'm an overly protective parent and a slightly paranoid former ride op, but wouldn't this law seem to be common sense? It just seems really sad that they should have to make a law to do what parents should be doing anyways- supervising and watching over their kids. But then I guess if parents were doing that, then we wouldn't have had the poor kid who got killed at Rye, nor would we need this new law either. While I'm generally not in favor of more legislation and regulation of rides and parks, I'm not seeing any negatives in this, except for the ride ops that are going to have to make judgement calls on how old a kid is. Though I also expect that there are a few here who would disagree with me too. Think we can get a good discussion on that one? keep on ridin' George From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Apr 26 08:58:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67390 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 15:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 15:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 15:58:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 15:58:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:58:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Bills offered in reaction to 4 N.Y. amusement park deaths X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=lOvXQOR3IGZRS6eqanXeW3XlLdj6BHnFmOU67iIpBtc3qFFj3NPMyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash" w= rote: > While I'm generally not in favor of more legislation and regulation of > rides and parks, I'm not seeing any negatives in this, except for the > ride ops that are going to have to make judgement calls on how old a > kid is. Though I also expect that there are a few here who would > disagree with me too. Think we can get a good discussion on that one? >=20 I posted on it here: http://masstort.org/site/index.php?id=3D4 I think there are likely few negatives, but I'm not sure it helps much. I = actually am more=20 interested in some level of more detailed descriptions outside rides that m= ight not be self- evident (including an indication of how restraining the restraints are), th= ough again I doubt=20 it makes much difference. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Apr 26 10:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19574 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 17:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 17:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 17:28:39 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QFcLLm027263 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013b01c66947$79f87b80$6800a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Moving away from Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=aPYShgEsXoxv56qgxtpMQ0-OVi55X5HMLiSrnHq-KNNcIR24rivORB9tzA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I may be out of touch for a week starting this Friday as Kerry and I are taking the kids and moving away from Orlando to a small town just outside Charlotte, North Carolina. Why you ask? Lots of reasons, too many to go into details right now, but in short... 1) We can sell the house we bought 5 years ago for over double what we paid 2) The house in Charlotte we are buying is bigger and in the same price range we paid for the Orlando home 5 years ago. 3) Pay off debts 4) Better schools for the kids now that our oldest is getting close to starting. 5) Timing... The Orlando housing market has peaked for now, and knowing how the tourism biz works, I think Orlando is on the verge of a major decline in business over the next 5 years. Lots of odd reasons factor into my reasoning, but labor shortages will play out here as well, mixed with the fact that housing is now out of reach from the average service industry worker (as I said, prices have doubled in 5 years) while pay has increased only slightly. Typically the lower income workers in any reagon will live on the outskirts of the city and drive in to take advantage of the lower cost housing, but this is no longer the case in Florida where housing costs are high everywhere. Apartments are getting impossible to find because the Orlando authorities have been allowing many of the apartment complexes to convert them into "condos" for quick sales. Mix this in with higher gas prices, which turns into higher energy costs all around, higher costs for items at the stores, and of course, soaring medical costs, and of course housing insurance increases from all the hurricanes, the average Orlando worker is taking home less in 2006 than they did in 2005. Which means that the area that already has rock bottom unemployeement levels will start to lose workers who can't afford to live here any longer. (Anyone who's lived in California already knows what a tough time Disneyland has getting staff these days...) Add in the fact that Orlando has always gone out of it's way to import temporary workers from around the globe who are willing to accept the low wages rather than increase the pay for the local work force to a level they can live on. From here we take the already declining levels of guest satisfaction in the area and apply a steeper curve while hotels and parks are all increasing their own prices each year and pretty soon people will start to wonder if it really is worth going down to Orlando... or perhaps just shortening their trips to 4 days instead of 7, and so on. We already saw the panic in the area after 9/11 when virtually every Orlando hospitality related company started to lay workers off when they had to start offering deep discounts to keep the tourists coming. I really think it's all going to happen again. So anyway.... it's a good time to move. ;-) At least Orlando's still with driving range if I want to take the kids to visit. Lance Screamscape.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 11:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5542 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 18:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 18:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 18:12:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:12:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:12:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:12:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:12:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Universal raises bar for minimum wage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fe2gWAvNqX-4TLfBMecJy6H-SUcViaYUHkEbUNRiwX_huXw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 25, 2006 Orlando Sentinel http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/local/orl-bk- universal042506,0,4327901.story?track=3Drss by Scott Powers Orlando, FL -- Universal Orlando has upped the ante in the local=20 battle for theme park employees, increasing the minimum hourly wage=20 to $7.25, just as the summer hiring season begins. That follows SeaWorld, which increased its minimum wage to $7 an hour=20 in March in preparation for the spring break hiring season. Walt=20 Disney World raised its minimum wage to $6.90 last fall. In addition to setting the new highest minimum wage in town for area=20 theme parks, USO also is offering benefits packages immediately to=20 everyone hired, eliminating the 3-month waiting period the company=20 previously required. USO also is offering a bonus -- another 25 cents an hour for anyone=20 who comes in with 2 years of experience in the tourism or hospitality=20 industries. USO's wages are increasing from a current minimum of $6.75. "If you=20 want great people, you've got to pay them," USO spokesman Tom=20 Schroder said today. The wage increase and new benefits policy will go into effect May 7,=20 and all eligible current employees on that date will get them, in=20 addition to new workers. On May 9 & 10 USO is holding a jobs fair to try to fill 2,000 summer=20 positions, across all business units and shifts. The other theme=20 parks also are planning jobs fairs soon. USO has about 13,000 full- or part-time jobs, though Schroder said=20 the company has had a hard time keeping them filled in Orlando's=20 tight labor market. "The local labor market is very tight, so we've=20 got to make sure we're the best, most attractive place to work in=20 town, both for current team members and future team members," he said. -------- =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 11:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64120 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:14:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:14:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: China to open space theme park by 2010 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RqnIUodzJOY4xO1pi7nCMMZEvKdXM2PeXiIwotD2u3Nsb7A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 25, 2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060425-054937-2171r SHANGHAI, China -- China has plans to open a national space theme=20 park in the city of Shanghai before 2010. Pujiang Town, the park site, will include a space museum and a=20 resort, Xinhua reported Tuesday. "Visitors to the park will be able=20 to experience various exciting astronaut training facilities," Zeng=20 Fanlong, an official of the Shanghai Bureau of Astronautics, said=20 Monday. Interactive features will include a multi-axis trainer and a low- gravity simulator so that visitors can experience what it feels like=20 to be in space, Zeng said. The $272 million project, which will cover over 247 acres in=20 Shanghai's Minhang district, has been endorsed by the state-owned=20 China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. and Shanghai's government,=20 he said. Although the detailed plan for the park has not been released, it=20 will be far more "exciting and interesting" than the Shanghai Science=20 and Technology Museum, which incorporates a space experience and=20 exhibition hall, bureau officials said. "Visitors can also see one of=20 the Shenzhou vessels that was used in China's manned space missions=20 and models of other spacecraft and satellites," Zeng said. -------- Copyright 2006 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 11:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48548 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 18:23:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:21:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:21:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Viacom weighs China park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hrHo-hzxBiYv1QOSHLSQPJAYDXhKwhpYSlaoNld4Gtl2gBw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 APRIL 26, 2006 Bloomberg News International Herald Tribune http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/26/business/viacom.php HONG KONG, China -- Viacom, which owns MTV Networks and Paramount=20 Pictures, confirmed Wednesday that it was in talks about a planned=20 theme park in Tianjin in northern China. =20 The company may license Paramount Pictures' intellectual property, a=20 Viacom spokesman, Jeremy Zweig, said. Most or all of the park's cost,=20 reported as $7 billion by newspapers in Hong Kong and Taiwan, will be=20 paid by other investors, he said. China, which has had domestic theme parks for more than a decade, is=20 seeking overseas investment as its tourism industry develops. Walt=20 Disney has said it was in talks to build its first park in mainland=20 China, possibly in Shanghai. It opened a park in HK last=20 year. "Disneyland in HK has been a success story in attracting=20 Chinese tourists," said Tai Hui, an economist at Standard Chartered=20 Bank in HK. "People are willing to pay a bit more for something that=20 is run by an overseas operator and has the international vibe." =20 Bill Ernest, managing director at HKDL Group, and other company=20 officials have said they expected the park, which opened Sept. 12, to=20 meet its 1st-year attendance target of 5.6 million visitors. In the first 100 days of the park's operation, 26% of the more than=20 one million visitors came from mainland China, the company said in=20 November. It has not issued further figures. This indication of interest from China's middle class has drawn the=20 attention of theme park operators from around the world, Hui said.=20 While there has been speculation about several companies being in=20 talks, most reports have been unconfirmed, he said. =20 The Paramount Pictures-themed park would be built on a site of more=20 than 40 sq.km, or 15.5 sq.miles, bigger than HKDL, the United Daily=20 News, a Taiwan newspaper, reported Wednesday. The developers are=20 counting on an express rail link to Beijing to bring more visitors to=20 Tianjin by 2010, it said. Zweig said he did not know whether Paramount Parks, a unit of the New=20 York-based CBS, would be involved in the project, or who the other=20 investors would be. Officials at Tianjin Development and Reform=20 Commission declined to comment. Tianjin, a port and industrial city of about 10.2 million people that=20 is 120 km from Beijing, had per capita disposable income of 11,467=20 yuan, or $1,430, in 2004. The municipality is not part of any=20 province and its government reports directly to China's central=20 government. -------- =A9 2006 the International Herald Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 11:31:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72223 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 18:31:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:29:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:29:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:29:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Public scrutiny set for 'Oz' project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gz0359h8AgGPNYf3A84UYu6sPy61UTi7L_rq5rmsk_Blgis X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 4/26/2006 The Buffalo News By THAD KOMOROWSKI WHEATFIELD, NY -- The much-discussed "Wizard of Oz" theme park=20 project will be examined in detail Monday during a special public=20 hearing. The hearing represents the first time that specifics of the project=20 will be addressed in a public forum. Several meetings have taken=20 place since September to share information or decide zoning=20 variances, but none involved project specifics or a site plan. On April 5, a preliminary draft of the scoping document for the=20 Magical Lands of Oz Theme Park & Resort Area was released by Oz=20 Central, a limited-liability corporation that says it has licensing=20 rights to the Oz story from the family of L. Frank Baum, the author=20 of the children's books. Depending on which calculations are considered, the project is=20 expected to cost between $750 million-$1 billion. Located off=20 Williams Road, near River Road, the project would encompass about 800=20 acres. In 3 construction phases, it would include: * Indoor and outdoor rides, attractions and activities with a 780,000- sq-ft, weather-controlled building for year-round operations. * A 90-acre parking area that would accommodate up to 12,000 vehicles. * A themed flagship hotel of about 200 rooms, as well as dining,=20 convention and entertainment facilities in 3 buildings over a 15-acre=20 site. * A section of 4 hotel properties that would add 800 more rooms. * Additional retail, dining and entertainment facilities to "be=20 developed as market conditions dictate," according to the scoping=20 document. As lead agency for the environmental review of the project, the town=20 has made the scoping document available at a number of locations,=20 including: Town Hall, 2800 Church Rd; LaSalle Branch, Niagara Falls=20 Public Library, 8728 Buffalo Ave.; Sanborn-Pekin Free Library, 5884=20 West St., in Sanborn; North Tonawanda Public Library, 505 Meadow Dr;=20 and the Summit mall office of Oz Central, 6929 Williams Rd #600. The=20 document also is available online on the town Web site at=20 www.wheatfield.ny.us. The hearing is set for 7 p.m. in the Community Center behind Town=20 Hall. A 15-day comment period will follow, after which the town will=20 incorporate appropriate remarks into the final document. The document=20 will be given to the Planning Board for review for the application=20 process. One of the central issues is traffic access to the site. An extension=20 of the LaSalle Expressway has been proposed to go over Williams Rd to=20 the park. "I can't imagine the project without the extension," Town=20 Attorney Robert O'Toole said. O'Toole, who, with Town Supervisor=20 Timothy E. Demler has been in on the ground floor of the proposal,=20 said that it has always been the intention of the developers and the=20 town to have a special exit ramp constructed. "It would be virtually impossible for existing streets to handle that=20 number of visitors on a daily basis," O'Toole said. "The level of=20 traffic is similar to that going to a Buffalo Bills game." O'Toole said he expected drainage at the park to be another item that=20 residents would examine closely. Wheatfield is mostly flatland, so "drainage in any project is a major=20 concern," he said. The project also could create a need for additional emergency=20 services, such as fire and police units, to address situations that=20 occur in any theme park. However, O'Toole said he believed that the "positive aspects outweigh=20 the negatives" of bringing the theme park here. They would include: * A significant increase in revenues of sales tax for all of Niagara=20 County. * A huge increase in employment. * Spinoff businesses to handle the needs of the theme park customers. ---------- Copyright 1999 - 2006 - The Buffalo News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 11:42:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25565 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 18:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 18:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 18:42:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2006 18:41:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:41:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Public scrutiny set for 'Oz' project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DE97DKqtuw5ekWmR0A3YQ_m3m7aG1S1RVVEk4HQxf1pWOeo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I included the entire text to the story, but I forgot the link! http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060426/1064500.asp -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > 4/26/2006 > The Buffalo News > By THAD KOMOROWSKI >=20 > WHEATFIELD, NY -- The much-discussed "Wizard of Oz" theme park=20 > project will be examined in detail Monday during a special public=20 > hearing. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 19:06:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3155 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 02:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 02:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.62) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 02:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 37932 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2006 02:01:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060427020105.37930.qmail@web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.237.48] by web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:05 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1145979444.487.45549.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=98oArMrP7XRKU3QuTgw50-0BxrDf0FDE57vcrXdZPdC28AeodlJF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > There's no way he's going to turn Six Flags into Disney. Most of what ma= kes Disney special is the novelty, it just can't be mass produced. < I somewhat agree with this. But remember -- Disney *is* mass-producing it.= And I think that's going to come back and bite them eventually. It dilut= es the uniqueness of the park. Disneyland was always so crowded because th= ere was nothing else like it. Disneyworld was the east coast version, slig= htly different and also with the unique Epcot. But now there's EuroDisney = and Disney Japan and Hong Kong. Now they want to infiltrate Korea and Aust= ralia. Why not make a Disney Antarctica? A Disney India? A Disney Somali= a? It's getting so you spit and hit a Disney park. Unless each park is *r= eally* special, they're all going to cut into each others' business. Six Flags tries to be a regional park. It's *supposed* to be everywhere, s= o that within the US there's a park within a day's drive of everyone. So i= n that sense, they have to make sure there's a uniformity so guests don't s= ay, "Our Six Flags park sucks. Let's go to Great America instead." Obviou= sly, though, the chain hasn't quite achieved uniformity. > People know Disney is expensive, but it's worth the money. < With Disney, you're paying for the myth, for the legend. It has such a hug= e media machine behind it (dating back to Walt's days on The Wonderful Worl= d of Disney) that the parks are larger than life. Six Flags on the other hand has been simply an "amusement" park, a traditio= nal ride-driven midway affair. IMO, it's really aimed at a different clien= tele. Disney is for vacationers who will visit the park once in a lifetim= e, or maybe every few years. Six Flags has been geared toward repeat busin= ess (since they're regional). And as I've said often, Six Flags has been m= ainly a spin-and-barf park with very little for families to do together. I= n order for Shapiro to change that, the ride line-up would have to complete= ly change. Maybe he could just ditch such costly flops as Nightwing and De= ja-Vu, and instead focus on landscaping, shows and more family-oriented rid= es like boat trips and antique cars.=20=20 >"You want to have a sense of the surreal, a sense of awe" ...=20=20 yeah right .. And Pappa John's and T-Mobile booths every five feet is=20=20 really awe-inspiring. Give me a freaking break! < It may not be awe-inspiring, but it certainly is surreal! > Shapiro needs to go visit places like Indy Beach, Kennywood and=20=20 Holiday World (amongst others). < You mean like other smaller amusement park owners do? That would make too = much sense. Six Flags simply can't be Disney. It's a different beast. So= I agree -- management should look at successful models reflecting who they= are. Even a trip to King's Island might help.=20=20 What Shapiro needs to do is become a park enthusiast. He needs to travel a= ll over the world enjoying different amusement parks and bringing the ideas= he likes the most back to Six Flags. Successful amusement park operators = don't really get rich; they simply love the business and love what they're = doing. Six Flags has a lot of angry and weary stockholders that want to ma= ke money. That's the albatross around its neck. > They're all extremely family friendly, and keep shattering their own att= endance records because they know that the best way to make money is to be= nice to people. < I'm not sure "be nice to people" is quite accurate. That actually can be a= sure way to lose tons of money. But if people are treated with respect a= nd they're treated to a clean park, polite staff and they come away thinkin= g they got a good value, then they'll be back. Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 19:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66897 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 02:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 02:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 02:23:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 02:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 02:22:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:22:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060426134958.4039.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Students make four-hour trip to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=gpepq9ikJKKi0fRSoW33Ee9P8YoQSnF5KbGwAYlv9LA7lww4CA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 ROFL!=20 That's pretty flippin' funny! I just wish they shared the name of the dumb tour company. Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds"=20 wrote: > > April 25, 2006 >=20 > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_fe_st/closed_park >=20 > RENO, Nev. - Four bus loads of students from O'Brien Middle School=20 > made the four-hour trip to Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo, Calif.,=20 > only to find the amusement park's gates locked Monday. The school- > sponsored trip was supposed to reward top students.=20 >=20 > Principal Scott Grange said the school was even given printed tickets=20 > with Monday's date on them. >=20 > "But shame on us for not checking," he said. > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 19:39:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6234 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 02:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 02:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 02:38:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 02:35:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 02:35:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:35:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Viacom weighs China park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=m8rf5NHwmNuWjrshyn5zJOBpaVSTGabic--eYHxUurudypKWHA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I don't get this. Wht are they thinking about building a new park at=20 the same time they are trying to sell the ones they have? Chris B > HONG KONG, China -- Viacom, which owns MTV Networks and Paramount=20 > Pictures, confirmed Wednesday that it was in talks about a planned=20 > theme park in Tianjin in northern China. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 20:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96006 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 03:50:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 03:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 03:50:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:50:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060427020105.37930.qmail@web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=FqKjO3pk33DZjRKJkX53mKi3-qRh6gbeuZvT-aKFPEWmHHzeMA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > > There's no way he's going to turn Six Flags into Disney. Most of what = makes Disney=20 special is the novelty, it just can't be mass produced. < >=20 > I somewhat agree with this. But remember -- Disney *is* mass-producing i= t. And I=20 think that's going to come back and bite them eventually. It dilutes the u= niqueness of the=20 park. Disneyland was always so crowded because there was nothing else like= it.=20=20 Disneyworld was the east coast version, slightly different and also with th= e unique Epcot.=20=20 But now there's EuroDisney and Disney Japan and Hong Kong. Now they want t= o infiltrate=20 Korea and Australia. Why not make a Disney Antarctica? A Disney India? A= Disney=20 Somalia? It's getting so you spit and hit a Disney park. Unless each park= is *really*=20 special, they're all going to cut into each others' business. >=20 Honestly, besides Coaster Tools like us , and the avid Disney Fanatic (who = in their own=20 right are labeled as Tools) and the occasional Japan Tourist Group (50+) wo= uld really care=20 if there is a Disney on every contenent? I doubt they'll really cut into ea= ch others business.=20 Each park is unique no matter what, because they are serving entertainment = to entirely=20 different people. > Six Flags tries to be a regional park. It's *supposed* to be everywhere,= so that within=20 the US there's a park within a day's drive of everyone. So in that sense, = they have to make=20 sure there's a uniformity so guests don't say, "Our Six Flags park sucks. = Let's go to Great=20 America instead." Obviously, though, the chain hasn't quite achieved unifo= rmity. >=20 Anyone who's home park isn't SFGrAm or SFGrAd or SFoG would be saying the a= bove=20 statement , so unless they plan on cloning everything about these three par= ks into their=20 other crappier parks (SFKK,SFEG,SFMM,SFMW,etc...) you're always going to ha= ve that. But=20 the fact of the matter is, 90% of park goers don't know what the Six Flags = on the other side=20 of the country has that theirs doesn't. That's why SF doesn't care, with th= at many parks=20 they don't expect their *regional* guest to be upset that their park didn't= get a NITRO=20 clone this year, while the other *better* park did. > > People know Disney is expensive, but it's worth the money. < >=20 > With Disney, you're paying for the myth, for the legend. It has such a h= uge media=20 machine behind it (dating back to Walt's days on The Wonderful World of Dis= ney) that the=20 parks are larger than life. I beleive Busch Gardens has the Loch Ness Monster ; only Myth that i'm awar= e of in any=20 amusement park. Disney is what it is ; the one that everyone tries to be. S= ix Flags is a joke=20 compared to Disney no matter how hard they try. When i first read this thre= ad, i laughed , i=20 laughed so hard that if i were 12 i'd have typed ROFL or LMAO....=20 This guy must be on some helluva drug if he thinks he can get his park even= remotely=20 DISNEY like , it's kinda hard when everywhere you turn in the park you see = an ugly roller=20 coaster and/or parking lot , ugly unused buildings/flat rides and aparnatly= TMobile/Papa=20 John stands now. When I go to Disney , i'm not paying for some brain washed idea of a good t= ime ; I'm=20 buying good money to go to a place where I know I'm going to enjoy myself i= n a magical=20 place that truley is themed and amusing. >=20 > Six Flags on the other hand has been simply an "amusement" park, a tradit= ional ride- driven midway affair. IMO, it's really aimed at a different clientele. D= isney is for=20 vacationers who will visit the park once in a lifetime, or maybe every few = years. Agreed, which is why i thought it was hilarious that they'd even try to com= pare the two ,=20 just like comparing CP and SFMM ; hilarious! > Six Flags has been geared toward repeat business (since they're regional= ). And as I've=20 said often, Six Flags has been mainly a spin-and-barf park with very little= for families to=20 do together. In order for Shapiro to change that, the ride line-up would h= ave to=20 completely change. Maybe he could just ditch such costly flops as Nightwin= g and Deja- Vu, and instead focus on landscaping, shows and more family-oriented rides = like boat=20 trips and antique cars.=20=20 >=20 > >"You want to have a sense of the surreal, a sense of awe" ...=20=20 > yeah right .. And Pappa John's and T-Mobile booths every five feet is = =20 > really awe-inspiring. Give me a freaking break! < >=20 > It may not be awe-inspiring, but it certainly is surreal! >=20 > > Shapiro needs to go visit places like Indy Beach, Kennywood and=20=20 > Holiday World (amongst others). < >=20 > You mean like other smaller amusement park owners do? That would make to= o much=20 sense. Six Flags simply can't be Disney. It's a different beast. So I ag= ree -- management=20 should look at successful models reflecting who they are. Even a trip to K= ing's Island=20 might help.=20=20 >=20 > What Shapiro needs to do is become a park enthusiast. He needs to travel= all over the=20 world enjoying different amusement parks and bringing the ideas he likes th= e most back=20 to Six Flags. Successful amusement park operators don't really get rich; t= hey simply love=20 the business and love what they're doing. Six Flags has a lot of angry and= weary=20 stockholders that want to make money. That's the albatross around its neck= . > What Shapiro needs to do is keep DISNEY out of his mouth until he has somet= hing to show=20 for it. You can't take a park with 16 coasters (50% of them are never runni= ng, and when=20 they are, they're not anywhere near capacity) and 2 non-coasters in operati= on and expect=20 to compete with the *LEGEND* of Disney. My last visit was a 2 hour experien= ce where the=20 only ride I was able to ride was GOLDRUSHER ; and even that was only runnin= g ONE train. Good luck!! From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Apr 26 21:37:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78805 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 04:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 04:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-51.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.31) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 04:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1314 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2006 04:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 04:37:21 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYyFl-0005Ot-Ch for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:37:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A9423B8-B2F7-41AB-B23E-8E675B9E11E9@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:41:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ms2c2v1mHbd2Tjetiz4rYN1dZW_rldPmpjEIgrKM3lUAeRpeuTcq X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Honestly, besides Coaster Tools like us , and the avid Disney > Fanatic (who in their own > right are labeled as Tools) and the occasional Japan Tourist Group > (50+) would really care > if there is a Disney on every contenent? I doubt they'll really cut > into each others business. > Each park is unique no matter what, because they are serving > entertainment to entirely > different people. How different is this than most people that live in the U.S. though? Most people I know rarely travel far out of state, maybe once or twice a year. I doubt the SF parks cut into each other's business much either... I can't see many people up in Albany heading 4 hours south to go to Great Adventure for the day. They are regional parks, and from what Shapiro was saying a while back, they're going to try to regionalize them more... doing things like offering clam chowder at SFNE but not at SFMM. Disney parks, though in different locations, all have pretty much the same feel to them. The biggest difference from DL and WDW that I noticed is that, at WDW, all the good rides are 5 miles away from each other and its 100% humidity all the time. Heh... though WDW beats the heck out of DL on the overall experience. >> Six Flags tries to be a regional park. It's *supposed* to be >> everywhere, so that within > the US there's a park within a day's drive of everyone. So in that > sense, they have to make > sure there's a uniformity so guests don't say, "Our Six Flags park > sucks. Let's go to Great > America instead." Obviously, though, the chain hasn't quite > achieved uniformity. >> > > Anyone who's home park isn't SFGrAm or SFGrAd or SFoG would be > saying the above > statement , so unless they plan on cloning everything about these > three parks into their > other crappier parks (SFKK,SFEG,SFMM,SFMW,etc...) you're always > going to have that. I don't know. Parks like SFA have absolutely fantastic rides, and theres a lot of potential there. I just didn't like the park because it had no character, no trees at all once you get past Wild One, and the ride ops weren't the fastest. I think you'd have a really hard time arguing that PKD has a better collection of coasters, and with a little bit of work, SFA can easily dominate the Baltimore/DC/Northern Virginia market (or dominate it more than they already do, I'm not sure what the market share is like). >>> People know Disney is expensive, but it's worth the money. < >> >> With Disney, you're paying for the myth, for the legend. It has >> such a huge media > machine behind it (dating back to Walt's days on The Wonderful > World of Disney) that the > parks are larger than life. > > I beleive Busch Gardens has the Loch Ness Monster ; only Myth that > i'm aware of in any > amusement park. Disney is what it is ; the one that everyone tries > to be. Six Flags is a joke > compared to Disney no matter how hard they try. When i first read > this thread, i laughed , i > laughed so hard that if i were 12 i'd have typed ROFL or LMAO.... > > This guy must be on some helluva drug if he thinks he can get his > park even remotely > DISNEY like , it's kinda hard when everywhere you turn in the park > you see an ugly roller > coaster and/or parking lot , ugly unused buildings/flat rides and > aparnatly TMobile/Papa > John stands now. Yeah, but you can say Hershey is Disney-like in many areas, if not more. Their prices are great (probably more what Walt would've wanted), they are very family friendly, the employees are great, the park as a whole is very clean, etc. SF is starting to have all their characters out, having parades, and having more live entertainment -- those are all certainly more Disney like than they have been for the past couple years. $100 million dollar rides and better theming than other parks aren't the only thing that makes Disney... Disney >>> "You want to have a sense of the surreal, a sense of awe" ... >> yeah right .. And Pappa John's and T-Mobile booths every five feet is >> really awe-inspiring. Give me a freaking break! < >> >> It may not be awe-inspiring, but it certainly is surreal! >> >>> Shapiro needs to go visit places like Indy Beach, Kennywood and >> Holiday World (amongst others). < >> >> You mean like other smaller amusement park owners do? That would >> make too much > sense. Six Flags simply can't be Disney. It's a different beast. > So I agree -- management > should look at successful models reflecting who they are. Even a > trip to King's Island > might help. Yeah, SF might invest in a 200' wood looping roller coaster built by two engineering firms with a poor track record.. haha noone is perfect. PKD is nice and all, but I'd take SFGAd any day over it. >> What Shapiro needs to do is become a park enthusiast. He needs to >> travel all over the > world enjoying different amusement parks and bringing the ideas he > likes the most back > to Six Flags. Successful amusement park operators don't really get > rich; they simply love > the business and love what they're doing. Six Flags has a lot of > angry and weary > stockholders that want to make money. That's the albatross around > its neck. >> > > What Shapiro needs to do is keep DISNEY out of his mouth until he > has something to show > for it. You can't take a park with 16 coasters (50% of them are > never running, and when > they are, they're not anywhere near capacity) and 2 non-coasters in > operation and expect > to compete with the *LEGEND* of Disney. My last visit was a 2 hour > experience where the > only ride I was able to ride was GOLDRUSHER ; and even that was > only running ONE train. You really need to come out to SFGAd, if you haven't already. SFGAd has gotten a lot better the past season, and I'm hoping it will be even more so this year. SFMM has gone completely down the toilet in the past 10 years, it's nowhere near being the crown jewel of SF anymore. I'm pretty sure both SFGAd and SFGAm have it beat, and probably a lot of other parks like SFOG or SFOT are at least as good of an experience. SFMM I think is to the point where it will take more work and money to get it back to a point where you'd want to visit it than, say, SFA. Mike From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Apr 27 05:41:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87010 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 12:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 12:39:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:39:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.76 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Cheaper to eat at the Point, too X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=T21924W1mRCooyA4lrOyrGQhWgBae2p0j_ng8EkTbeRJVR3wQeo X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred First, the ticket prices, now the prices for park food goes down for=20 2006 season. By BRANDI BARHITE brandibarhite@sanduskyregister.com=20 SANDUSKY - Cedar Point guests will not only get into the park for=20 less money this season, but they will eat for less, too.=20 Throughout the entire park, all food items, except one, are either=20 staying the same or being reduced in price, Cedar Point spokesman=20 Bryan Edwards said Wednesday.=20 The hot dog meal basket dropped from $5.89 to $3.99; a chili=20 cheesedog, $4.99 to $3.99; and a 20-ounce Pepsi soft drink bottle,=20 $2.39, compared to last year's $2.75. Prices do not include tax.=20 As previously announced, formerly $3 sticks of cotton candy will be=20 sold on the midway for 25 cents. A souvenir bag of the sweet treat=20 drops from $5.89 to $2.49.=20 "We know money is tight," Edwards said. "We see prices going up on=20 gas, food and groceries. If we can help people save money, why not?=20 Some of these drops are huge."=20 On average, prices on food went down 20 percent, Edwards said. Only=20 one item out of hundreds is going up -- and only 10 cents. A 24-ounce=20 slush drink is now $3.59.=20 Edwards said this is the first time in the history of the park he can=20 remember so many prices being lowered at the same time.=20 Guest comments may have played some role in the decision, but so did=20 the park's lagging attendance the past few years.=20 "We are budget-friendly now," Edwards said.=20 In November, Cedar Point rolled out new admission prices in hopes of=20 bringing guests back to the park.=20 For the first time since implementing a pay-one-price ticket program=20 in 1970, the price of a regular one-day admission ticket has=20 decreased.=20 The price of regular one-day admission is $39.95, down $5 from last=20 year's $44.95.=20 Junior and senior tickets are $9.95. Cedar Point reduced them from=20 $24.95 to $9.95 in August to boost attendance after some guests said=20 they couldn't afford the prices. Children age 2-younger get in free.=20 Cedar Point opens May 6.=20 "We wanted to lower prices on two of the things that are most=20 important to our guests, admission and food," said Lee Alexakos,=20 director of marketing for Cedar Point.=20 Parent company Cedar Fair does not disclose sales in food for=20 individual parks, but on a consolidated basis, food, merchandise and=20 games revenue was $219.1 million in 2005 compared to $211.3 million=20 in 2004, according to Stacy Frole, director of investor relations.=20 New prices=20 =95 The hot dog meal basket was $5.89, now $3.99=20 =95 Chili cheesedog was $4.99, now $3.99=20 =95 20-ounce Pepsi soft drink bottle was $2.75, now $2.39=20 =95 French waffles, bag of a dozen, was $8.99, now $5.99=20 =95 Pizza Hut express pizza, 12-inch cheese, was $11.99, now $9.99=20 =95 Souvenir bag of cotton candy was $5.89, now $2.49=20 =95 A stick of cotton candy was $3, now 25 cents=20 FROM: http://www.pointbuzz.com/news.htm?id=3D872 From jzerkel@consolidated.net Thu Apr 27 07:25:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28646 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 14:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 14:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 14:24:32 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GTW55034; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:21:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090203.4450D1B4.0039-A-, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=_3S8mNuPjV9qNJIihUCZVTGg18hNbgZpRg4d4eNCLpEgTN_d X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Clark Griswold Tour Company? (my apologies to any of our younger members who have never seen the 1983 movie, Vacation, starring Chevy Chase.) ;-) ROFL! That's pretty flippin' funny! I just wish they shared the name of the dumb tour company. RENO, Nev. - Four bus loads of students from O'Brien Middle School > made the four-hour trip to Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo, Calif., > only to find the amusement park's gates locked Monday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 08:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37130 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 15:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 15:45:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 15:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 15:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 15:45:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:45:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6HFBomonjvfJpcv86Qr6IhaTRSqWK6SVW5Dujjqt9SYnOI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash With the season starting, and now that we're getting a look at some of what is happening at the parks, it's time to get a bit speculative (oohh, $10 word!)=20=20 So what do you think will turn out to be among the best of the year ahead, as well as the worst? What's going to reap abundant praise?=20 What are the parks doing that is going to blow up in their face, or not work out like it should?=20=20 Should be fun to see what people are thinking about right now, then compare it at the end of the year to see how it actually works out and how good some of our minds are at predicting the future... I'll have to think about mine a bit and try to get a post up tomorrow. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 08:52:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57553 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 15:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 15:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 15:43:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 15:40:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:40:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9A9423B8-B2F7-41AB-B23E-8E675B9E11E9@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LMjfNyHeuoP0u3Ib8Iyjke22JFFhj_psAz0Zih3fcRKM-RY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > You really need to come out to SFGAd, if you haven't already. SFGAd=20=20 > has gotten a lot better the past season, and I'm hoping it will be=20=20 > even more so this year. SFMM has gone completely down the toilet in=20=20 > the past 10 years, it's nowhere near being the crown jewel of SF=20=20 > anymore. I'm pretty sure both SFGAd and SFGAm have it beat, and=20=20 > probably a lot of other parks like SFOG or SFOT are at least as good=20=20 > of an experience. SFMM I think is to the point where it will take=20=20 > more work and money to get it back to a point where you'd want to=20=20 > visit it than, say, SFA. I would certainly put SFGrAm over SFMM, at least based on my one visit to SFGrAm. It's been so long since I was at SFoT that it's not a fair comparison. SFStL would certainly compare favorably, if not quite a bit better than what SFMM has been the last few years. Honestly, I don't think that the park is a lost cause though. They're starting to make some of the needed improvements in the landscaping and characters from what I've heard, and doing some other work around the park that is long overdue. I've been hearing that Revolution is getting some long overdue work, and they're (once again) doing track work on Psyclone. But I don't know that many of the fixes and changes on teh rides that are needed there are going to be possible to happen until next year. Since SFMM doesn't have a "closed" season to do a lot of that work, it makes it more difficult. And with the late time table that the change in ownership happened, a lot of that wouldn't even be able to be really started until they were at Spring Breaks, which is NOT a time to be starting that. I would say if they're serious about getting the park fully back in order that we'll see a lot of that really start to happen in earnest come September- Nov of this year, once the summer crowds have left. And I really believe that with the money they spent on Scream! they could have done all of that, plus some. Now it's whether or not they really want to do it after they see a summer where their attendance is going to drop because of all of the price increases. keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 27 08:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67767 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 15:56:04 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m3so1264499uge for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr403200huf; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604270855o1252e81j8f475055405323df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:55:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=aueI7CJ9bSMYteE53vZw-ukE5BfQAsRv6Lv0ZXYOWwNjOiGn X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/27/06, Jon Zerkel wrote: > The Clark Griswold Tour Company? > (my apologies to any of our younger members who have never seen the 1983 = movie, Vacation, starring Chevy Chase.) ;-) > If there's anyone here who hasn't seen the movie, they should be the ones appologizing to us, not the other way around ;-) From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 27 09:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53521 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 16:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 16:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 16:04:40 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3RG4Tah011113 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:04:29 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:04:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> References: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:04:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2006 16:04:29.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[438E7EA0:01C66A14] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=pw4RlGy1gp0FrHh-NDJPCudngyIWSL9G47EHL23V0cV8Gv_E X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The Clark Griswold Tour Company? > (my apologies to any of our younger members who have never seen the > 1983 movie, Vacation, starring Chevy Chase.) ;-) Any kid who hasn't seen that movie has been lost to society anyway..! Cameron -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 11:02:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87433 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 18:01:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 17:55:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:55:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: MISC: 5 year anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=C_e2k5mV27q2uQfB91LOuiexlnsOm4DJb3Hzh1lw46oWz1o X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Sitting here at work looking over the group and realized something: We officially transfered the list from World of Coasters over to Yahoo groups back on March 13, 2001. That means that we've been going for over 5 years now on Yahoo. I know it's a month late, but wanted to say happy anniversary, and thanks to everyone who's posting on the list. It's been a lot of fun over the years, and I'm really looking forward to the years to come. Been great to see some of the older faces popping up and posting again to! Thanks for being around and being such a great group of people.=20 And putting up with me and all my quirks. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 11:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52287 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 18:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 18:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 18:43:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 18:40:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 18:40:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:40:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=drqcuWrgXVjKCpxqv8aiTNRedJFCvRwtAIALCAOIZKA6uJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This is actually a tie-in to the "SF evokes Disney" thread. I was at SFMM just a few years ago, and I have to say that there is not=20 one BIG issue with SFMM. It's a bazillion little things. There are so many little things that they could do for this Park that=20 would improve it. However, if you were to total all of those "little=20 things" up, it could be an astronomical price tag. IF SF is serious, and they add nothing new to SFMM (of course after=20 Tatsu is open), SFMM could make a really easy turn-around. Changing=20 public perseption would be the next hurtle. IMHO - SFMM has great potential for being a first-rate park. If it were=20 given a chance. -Alan (Who's RCT2's "Fix this park" aptitude is kicking in) > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote:> > You really need to come out to SFGAd, if you haven't=20 already. SFGAd=20=20 > > has gotten a lot better the past season, and I'm hoping it will be=20=20 > > even more so this year. SFMM has gone completely down the toilet=20 in=20=20 > > the past 10 years, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 27 12:10:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5152 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3RJAgnp021593 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:10:42 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:10:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60441B4E-D117-431F-A97B-62C53D5BA505@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:10:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2006 19:10:42.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[478CAF80:01C66A2E] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Xy5uu2VYB5urHYRKY1qeNDOjG2DnOlGDs2tEDKpAuZg2mdAd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > -Alan (Who's RCT2's "Fix this park" aptitude is kicking in) If only it were that simple! :) Cameron (Has anyone ever seen a broken-in-half bench at an amusement park?) Silver -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 12:29:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47281 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 19:29:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:29:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=D7Ks9mKB7SYa_Ry9s_slJxtJzpUFS2tIy82itCuTEfvU3Mos4aK1 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > IF SF is serious, and they add nothing new to SFMM (of course=20 > after Tatsu is open), SFMM could make a really easy turn-around.=20 > Changing public perseption would be the next hurtle. Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say add *nothing* new, but no major=20 capital improvements. Here's what I would say: 1. Completely review employee hiring, training, and conduct=20 procedures, and consider raising wages. This park needs to attract=20 more motivated employees and keep them motivated. 2. Institute a thorough and ongoing program to keep general park=20 maintenance a priority. 3. Improve food quality and/or reduce food prices. 4. If possible, repair and refurbish the Metro so that people have=20 another way to get up the mountain. Have clear signage making people=20 aware of this option. 5. If Tatsu has eliminated the stairs up the mountain from the=20 Rapids Camp, find a way to get them back in. Have large signs=20 clearly labeling each way up the mountain. Consider a giant sequence=20 of escalators, like at Universal Studios Hollywood. 6. Ride maintenance: Set a goal of having no more than one coaster=20 closed on any given day. Set a goal of keeping at least two trains=20 running on every coaster except where demand makes this truly=20 unnecessary (Gold Rusher, Psyclone). Also Deja Vu, of course. Reduce=20 breakdowns on X by at least 50%. 7. Clearer signage around X and Revolution. Clearer signage around=20 the whole park --- let people clearly know which are through routes,=20 where the entrances to rides are, etc. 8. Sell Flashback to a small park looking for a coaster, any=20 coaster. Replace it with an attraction that would be enjoyable by a=20 typical 9-year-old, a typical 16-year-old, AND a typical 35-year-old=20 mom. Make that the standard for the next THREE attractions added to=20 the park before adding another serious thrill ride. Exception:=20 consider adding a modern, high-thrill, high-capacity flat ride. What do you think? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com (I've got some news about some=20 exciting personal stuff there today, if you're interested.) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 15:11:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44847 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 22:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 22:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 22:09:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 22:09:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:09:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60441B4E-D117-431F-A97B-62C53D5BA505@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8MRHwKahOP-s9b4gH5QY3HNE0-0BW_UZSB1npnmZKoQYGZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Speaking of RCT...RTC3 does not really have that type of "Fix it"=20 scenario. Those were my favorites. I'm really good at taking an=20 existing, yet broken, Park, and turning it around. Sigh... -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: >=20 > > -Alan (Who's RCT2's "Fix this park" aptitude is kicking in) >=20 > If only it were that simple! :) > Cameron (Has anyone ever seen a broken-in-half bench at an amusement=20=20 > park?) > -- > Cameron Silver From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 15:39:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16539 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 22:39:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 22:38:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2006 22:37:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:37:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qCNXqoTUOx05-IPQ4YoNH2nNkYyrEymQBu_3Uo39htw1omI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say add *nothing* new, but no major=20 > capital improvements. Here's what I would say: >=20 > 1. Completely review employee hiring, training, and conduct=20 > procedures, and consider raising wages. This park needs to attract=20 > more motivated employees and keep them motivated. Yes. In a high price market like California, and with that type of=20 venue (aka entertainment) the customer has to be Number 1; and the=20 employees need to see this (and have the insentive to see it). > 2. Institute a thorough and ongoing program to keep general park=20 > maintenance a priority. They have such a georgous property, and they treat it like $#!+.=20 Besides the existing parking lots under a couple of Coasters. > 3. Improve food quality and/or reduce food prices. Good. > 4. If possible, repair and refurbish the Metro so that people have=20 > another way to get up the mountain. Have clear signage making=20 people aware of this option. I'm also glad their putting the Sky-tower back into service. What a=20 wasted asset that (and Metro) has been for the last decade. > 5. If Tatsu has eliminated the stairs up the mountain from the=20 > Rapids Camp, find a way to get them back in. Have large signs=20 > clearly labeling each way up the mountain. Consider a giant=20 sequence of escalators, like at Universal Studios Hollywood. Escalators or a second set of Angleflights. I'm in rather good shape,=20 and I don't like climbing those stairs ;) > 6. Ride maintenance: Set a goal of having no more than one coaster=20 > closed on any given day. Set a goal of keeping at least two trains=20 > running on every coaster except where demand makes this truly=20 > unnecessary (Gold Rusher, Psyclone). Also Deja Vu, of course.=20 Reduce breakdowns on X by at least 50%. One coaster at a time taken down for maintenance; do it ALL, then go=20 on to the next. > 7. Clearer signage around X and Revolution. Clearer signage around=20 > the whole park --- let people clearly know which are through=20 routes, where the entrances to rides are, etc. Nice. > 8. Sell Flashback Hello! It doesn't require a genious to figure that one out! That=20 would leave an entire area with which to do something. That whole "Land of the giants" idea should have been something they=20 could have leveraged. Superman needs a major redo. I'm sure with current technology, they=20 could make it work just as good as when it opened, and far cheaper. How about a hotel? I know I'v gotten beyond the cheap fixes, and transfered into long=20 term planning. But that's the way my brain works. > What do you think? > Adam Maybe we should go into business as "The Park Fixers". -Alan From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Apr 27 17:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16295 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 00:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 00:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.199) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 00:15:55 -0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h28so1240159wxd for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.34.4 with SMTP id h4mr1394163wxh; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.20 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:55 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=AnbHIIr7o3Z3scjKGvAqCvB20wEwe_WFHNOV3cGVvuGTvxl9wUmwcg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/27/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > The Clark Griswold Tour Company? > > (my apologies to any of our younger members who have never seen the > > 1983 movie, Vacation, starring Chevy Chase.) ;-) > > Any kid who hasn't seen that movie has been lost to society anyway..! > > Cameron Heck, there are even coasters in in, specifically the pre-defiled Revolution and Colossus. And it explains why Six Flags has their Mooseburger Lodge chain of restaurants (at least, I assume that's why they have it). There is no excuse on here to have not seen it... Anyways, this is just too funny. No one even bothered to check and see if the park was even open that day. Haha. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 22:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98221 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 05:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 05:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 05:23:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 05:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 05:21:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:21:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c66a05$d3a82270$354cb0d8@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VS-JOnohzg-ub2JrbbuzC33aP_93IFEWNfPpwNcwQvgVUAbX5w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 On another site someone had the headline for this story as: "We're=20 closed. The moose out front should have told you."=20 Great movie. What park was that part filmed at? My suspicion was=20 always Knott's, but I've never been sure.=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zerkel" =20 wrote: > > The Clark Griswold Tour Company? > (my apologies to any of our younger members who have never seen the=20 1983 movie, Vacation, starring Chevy Chase.) ;-) >=20 >=20 > ROFL! > That's pretty flippin' funny! > I just wish they shared the name of the dumb tour company. >=20 >=20 >=20 > RENO, Nev. - Four bus loads of students from O'Brien Middle School > > made the four-hour trip to Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo,=20 Calif., > > only to find the amusement park's gates locked Monday. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 22:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15935 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 05:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 05:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 05:34:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 05:34:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 05:34:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:34:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qVkdYRQr3YRZW9uLK3zLBUmUnbXOxUMFsVvXYqIBE43ATDjNfw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > >=20 > So what do you think will turn out to be among the best of the year > ahead, as well as the worst? What's going to reap abundant praise?=20 > What are the parks doing that is going to blow up in their face, or > not work out like it should?=20=20 >=20 > Should be fun to see what people are thinking about right now, then > compare it at the end of the year to see how it actually works out and > how good some of our minds are at predicting the future... >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > I guess that Voyage will recieves heaps of praise and 6F will recieve=20 scorn for not achieving the promises of the off season.=20 El Toro will recieve decent reviews with very vocal apprehension=20 torwards it's future. I think that Black Mamba will debut at #1 in the Mitch Hawker poll.=20 Voyage might too.=20 US jealousy of amazing European theming will get vocal with the new=20 coaster at Efteling and Black Mamba providing the fuel. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 23:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8367 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 06:09:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:09:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Students travel for 4 hours to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=nfY9_8bSnQWPFW6XIAa6oQlMC1jJpjA0QHroZdJphoo_akaWUw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Woops, answered already! Someone's psychic! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > Great movie. What park was that part filmed at? My suspicion was=20 > always Knott's, but I've never been sure.=20 >=20 > Chris B From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 02:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54280 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 09:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 09:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 09:25:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 09:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 09:24:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:24:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060426134958.4039.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.213.53.243 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Students make four-hour trip to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=EYsfUWPFvhWJAnIYirqexSl6zvQrsmwgYz8MyXgQfryrOPR7H8dr5zs X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds" wrote: > > April 25, 2006 >=20 > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_fe_st/closed_park >=20 > RENO, Nev. - Four bus loads of students from O'Brien Middle School=20 > made the four-hour trip to Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo, Calif.,=20 > only to find the amusement park's gates locked Monday. The school- > sponsored trip was supposed to reward top students.=20 >=20 chuckle - brings memories of the national lampoons going to wally world From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Apr 28 06:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39085 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 13:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 13:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 13:31:19 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m2so1308393uge for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr404318hun; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30604280631m55e01373h69ef92b973c9148e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:31:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060426134958.4039.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Students make four-hour trip to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=3AcmEYlVuUapL4tDHyuXC71bRVmgZGporUXdTKLlUmOkXci2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons At least the new Six Flags execs saw the PR opportunity in this story... http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4829567&nav=3D9qrx Six Flags to roll out red carpet for Reno students RENO, Nev. Six Flags Marine World will roll out the red carpet for Reno students who traveled to the California attraction on Monday, only to find the gates closed. The field trip was supposed to be a reward for good grades. But when the four buses from O'Brien Middle School arrived at Marine World north of San Francisco, they had to turn around and come home. The mix-up was apparently made by the tour company, though school officials say they also should have checked the schedule. The park is open Friday through Sunday during the winter. Daily operations resume around Memorial Day. Six Flags spokesman Paul Garcia says when C-E-O Mark Shapiro got wind of the story, he pledged to help make the students' return trip a memorable one. Garcia says the students will be given ice cream vouchers and be treated to elephant rides and tours of other animal compounds when they return May 30th. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 08:11:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23458 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 15:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:11:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=YLzSt5JiqUlDCoW04yBGiFpBt8HvgPuYtAURB8W2rRKA93ZFB1jxBzM X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > > With the season starting, and now that we're getting a look at some=20 of > what is happening at the parks, it's time to get a bit speculative > (oohh, $10 word!)=20=20 >=20 > So what do you think will turn out to be among the best of the year > ahead, as well as the worst? What's going to reap abundant praise?=20 >=20 I know I am looking forward to a trip to Holiday World to ride what=20 looks like the ultimate woodie The Voyage. I was looking forward to=20 making it to a Six Flags park but I'm not sure I can afford the=20 parking!! Haha From jzerkel@consolidated.net Fri Apr 28 08:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53684 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 15:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 15:11:56 -0000 Received: from ValuedCustomer (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id GUE27765; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:11:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201c66ad6$06638990$354cb0d8@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=0001.0A090207.44522EF7.0068-A-, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: fascinating history of Santa Claus Land/ HW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=ciPiW0MoX7-XK9CLzVdZbhkbD6vKuGF48Qa6Wi8utNIVbJ-m X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, The link below is will take you to a fascinating history of the Koch family/ Santa Claus Land/ Holiday World. I should warn you, though, the article is quite lengthy. I was especially amused when I read that virtually *everyone* told Will Koch Sr. (in the late 1950s) that he would instantly kill the park if he started charging 50 cents admission to adults. It kind of makes me wonder what will become of the park in another 30-40 years, when the current generation of Koch is ready to retire. http://www.hohoholdings.com/kdhistory.htm For anyone who has the time to read it, I hope you enjoy. Jon Z. (Zerkel, not Zucker) who is looking forward to buying HW's 60th anniversary pictorial book this summer!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Apr 28 08:32:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4632 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 15:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 15:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 15:32:00 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2d3.702b69a (4568) for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d3.702b69a.31838f33@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:30:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With some of the parks I've already been to this season, I want to talk about Kings Island. I think this is actually paramount at all of the Paramount Parks this season, but I've only been to Kings Island so far this year with regards to a Paramount Park. Ever since the first day Kings Island opened its doors in 1972, they opened International Street an hour before the rides to allow people to get through the turnstyles, buy some coffee or donuts, maybe shop for early gifts, take bathroom stops, or whatever they needed to do. It was very efficient. Starting this year, after 35 years, they have decided to open everything at 10am. You can't get through the metal detectors, purchase admission tickets or get through the gates until 10am. This is causing major bottlenecks at the front gate, and people are reporting not being able to get to their favorite rides til well after 11am. Now with being in ACE, it makes life easier, because we still get to go in ahead of the crowds for our opening Beast ride of the day, and that allows us to have some run of the park for about 30 minutes while everyone else is trying to get in. I don't see that this new way of doing things is an improvement, more like a disimprovement. Most guests will get fed up with this and may not go again. I have one thing to say about this, and its pretty cliche', "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Apr 28 10:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69607 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 17:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 17:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 17:11:41 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k3SHApCw008113 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:10:51 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:10:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <2d3.702b69a.31838f33@aol.com> References: <2d3.702b69a.31838f33@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:10:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 17:10:51.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[B353BE30:01C66AE6] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JETCxoiGLy9qgePbmBTAPXzcEgkwBPvuzwdVP-ElJ_a6g3UZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, Six Flags Great America typically opens the front of the park about 30 minutes before 10 (however all rides remain closed - you can still line up for them). Strangely enough, I've never seen them do this on opening day .. where they wait until 10am before letting anyone in. Cameron. On Apr 28, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > With some of the parks I've already been to this season, I want to > talk > about Kings Island. I think this is actually paramount at all of > the Paramount > Parks this season, but I've only been to Kings Island so far this > year with > regards to a Paramount Park. Ever since the first day > Kings Island opened its doors in 1972, they opened International > Street an > hour before the rides to allow people to get through the > turnstyles, buy some > coffee or donuts, maybe shop for early gifts, take bathroom stops, > or whatever > they needed to do. It was very efficient. > Starting this year, after 35 years, they have decided to open > everything at > 10am. You can't > get through the metal detectors, purchase admission tickets or get > through > the gates > until 10am. This is causing major bottlenecks at the front gate, > and people > are reporting > not being able to get to their favorite rides til well after > 11am. Now with > being in ACE, > it makes life easier, because we still get to go in ahead of the > crowds for > our opening > Beast ride of the day, and that allows us to have some run of the > park for > about 30 minutes > while everyone else is trying to get in. I don't see that this > new way of > doing things is > an improvement, more like a disimprovement. Most guests will get > fed up > with this and > may not go again. I have one thing to say about this, and its pretty > cliche', "If it ain't broke, > don't fix it!" > > Brian > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 10:12:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7249 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 17:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 17:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 17:12:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 17:12:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 17:12:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:12:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30604280631m55e01373h69ef92b973c9148e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Students make four-hour trip to closed amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=a_eIY0UiGBckJzZP7wcfLz6SL5E-OPRBx4ayyDsYHIAS7BM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" wrote: > > At least the new Six Flags execs saw the PR opportunity in this story... >=20 > http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D4829567&nav=3D9qrx >=20 > RENO, Nev. Six Flags Marine World will roll out the red carpet for > Reno students who traveled to the California attraction on Monday, > only to find the gates closed. For all of my complaints about the new regime, I have to give them a "way to go" on this one. Yeah, it's probably only what they should do in the light of the press it's received, but it's still a nice gesture to the kids. It really doesn't do any harm to the park, but will help to give them some good PR. And it's something that I'm not sure that the previous owners would have paid much attention to, let alone done anything about it. I know that I still have some neat memories of riding the elephants and camels there when I was a kid (well, at the old park site) It'll be nice to give that to these kids as well. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 10:35:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26119 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 17:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 17:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 17:35:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 17:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 17:34:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:34:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Bc4YAKdN95CWVMl-Z3LXxK7cFyHmaCJoQxBqy8wAyZOs4S8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 > wrote: > > > > With the season starting, and now that we're getting a look at some=20 > of > > what is happening at the parks, it's time to get a bit speculative > > (oohh, $10 word!)=20=20 > >=20 > > So what do you think will turn out to be among the best of the year > > ahead, as well as the worst? What's going to reap abundant praise?=20 > >=20 My thoughts: I have a feeling that Voyage and SFoG's Goliath are going to stand out as the cream of the crop this year, though there are a couple of other coasters that I have a feeling may turn out to do very well also.=20 Goliath seems to already been exceeding expectations, and I really doubt that Voyage is going to disappoint. It may be early, since it won't actually open next year, but I have a feeling that Starliner at Cypress Gardens will also turn out to be a big hit. It may not be one of the best wood coasters out there, but it should be a nice addition for the park, and some good publicity for them. I think Cedar Point is also looking at some great things with their price drops on admissions and food. I wouldn't be surprised if that actually turns into the next wave in the industry. Well, except for the Orlando area. Sorry Lance, but I just don't see the tourism dying down here for a long time yet. Disappointments? Six Flags turnaround. I have a feeling that for all of their talk they're going to see a major drop in attendance throughout the chain, and they're not going to be as improved as they think. Shapiro should never have mentioned Disney, because now many are going to be hoping for that, and they'll be nowhere close. It's going to be a painful year of learning for them, and I think it's going to cost them several of their parks. Which leads me to another one- I have a feeling that we'll lose more parks again this year, and that's just sad. The biggest mistake I see here is Miracle Strip. I really think that in a few years they're going to look back and realized that they lost a lot of the heart and soul of that area, alogn with a big chunk of history and tourism dollars. I just don't see what they're proposing bringing in the tourist dollars anywhere near like the old park did. I'm still out on the "new" parks that are supposedly coming too. Hard Rock looks like the best bet, but I'm not sure about it. I have a feeling that Oz and Utopia aren't going to happen though, and are just big dreams that will never turn into reality. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 12:35:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66055 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 19:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 19:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 19:29:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 19:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2006 19:28:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:28:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park plans get early airing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZdUm_9yGDLHMFUb1ygIMIUVByae3NVpnGV-48QYMB3r750Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 4/28/2006 The Buffalo News NEWS NIAGARA BUREAU http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060428/1044252.asp By THOMAS J. PROHASKA WHEATFIELD, NY -- Local elected officials got their first look at=20 plans for the proposed Wizard of Oz theme park Thursday at an=20 invitation-only meeting in the Wheatfield Community Center. Niagara County Legislature Chairman William L. Ross, one of those=20 attending the session, said Richard A. Burch, president of Oz=20 Central, the company proposing the $750 million plan, offered no=20 information about how the project will be financed. Town Attorney Robert O'Toole said the meeting, which was organized by=20 Wheatfield Supervisor Timothy E. Demler, was a prelude to Monday's=20 public hearing on the environmental scoping document for the theme=20 park. Burch could not be reached to comment, but Demler said, "Rick Burch=20 and [Amherst construction executive Samuel J.] Savarino made it very=20 clear that all the financing is private and they are asking for no=20 government financing. . . I think they're going to be announcing the=20 financing aspects at the end of next week." A key part of the plan for the park is an extension of the LaSalle=20 Expressway to include an overpass above Williams Rd to take drivers=20 from Niagara Falls into the park, whose western border is to be about=20 1.75 miles east of where the expressway now ends. Maziarz said that is the only aspect of the project for which he can=20 envision state involvement. "You can't build something like that=20 without having a transportation plan to ensure a steady and safe flow=20 of traffic. But again, it all hinges on having a credible financial=20 plan." Burch, an Evansville, Ind., businessman, is one of 7 members on the=20 Oz Central board. The only local figure on that board is Savarino,=20 whose company is to build the park. "They made it very clear this=20 wasn't an operation where they bring this big project to town and=20 then start holding out the hat," Ross said. The park is to cover more than 200 acres of land, mostly owned by=20 Forest City Enterprises of Cleveland, the original owners of the=20 nearby mall now known as The Summit. O'Toole said there were drawings=20 shown for attractions like the "Kansas Tornado," a 650' observation=20 tower which is to simulate a tornado once an hour through the use of=20 strobe lights and steam. The plans for the buildings on the site were drawn up by Thinkwell=20 Design and Production of Burbank, Calif., a company whose staff=20 consists primarily of former Universal Studios theme park designers. Ross said he's not completely sold on the project, but he said, "I'm=20 getting more satisfied. I'll go back Monday night. I want to see how=20 the people react." Other attractions at "The Magical Land of Oz" are to have names=20 like "Emerald City" and "Glinda's Castle." There also is to be a=20 780,000-sq-ft building to allow for year-round activity at the park. ----------- Copyright 1999 - 2006 - The Buffalo News From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 22:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99790 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2006 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2006 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.64) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 01:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 12751 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2006 01:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060429012332.12749.qmail@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.244.93] by web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:23:32 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:23:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1146236700.1957.70273.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2048 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-qiR4eCA5ClmdtnOvJjMSCeX_3zyLTBGX9RRqdXb2V-l5dsRooFB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I guess that Voyage will recieves heaps of praise and 6F will recieve scorn for not achieving the promises of the off season. < This is exactly what I was going to say. And the 6F fear seems to be playing out already. Karen and I have a friend whose daughter got a summer job working at 6FNE in the office. She was there just four days, still not properly trained. On that fourth day, all of her supervisors decided to quietly go home early. No one told her. She was trying to tally up all the money, and the computer system went down. The only people who could restart the system were supervisors, all of whom went home. Fortunately she was smart and quit that very night. With such gross mismanagement so early in the season, who knows how low the chain can sink over the summer? Jay --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Apr 29 17:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11653 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:01:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:01:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: kinda OT: interesting carnival photographs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=RKWQzF_fEi8mAFqgLPSyE6mJsACbaTz94uufYzW5by8f11YvD-Do3iGJ9w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 hi all, i was at a st pete art festival last weekend, and i came across a=20 professional photographer's work that kinda piqued my interest given=20 the subject matter. its mostly candid color photos of carnivals and=20 fairs. seems the stuff i saw was fairly reasonably priced, and he had=20 different sized stuff. here is his link to his carnival stuff; http://www.photosarge.com/display.cfm?gallery=3D3 i guess im also kinda curious-does anyone know of anyplace where you=20 can buy professional theme park images, framed and all that,=20 preferrably of rollercoasters?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Apr 29 17:08:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42435 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 00:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 00:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 00:08:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:08:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:08:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: another kinda OT: a ebay seller selling old nantasket beach park stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=gkipeqdxnYKQHLgrLSWe6yx3D9IV6FpZxQ-4lxgFYj6BXo77tMEv1RTv-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 ok i swear this isnt me, but hes got some interesting old nantasket=20 beach memorabilia. i just happened to come across his auctions. check=20 out some of they guy's stuff.=20 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZbrucewescott From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 17:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7937 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 00:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2006 00:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 00:30:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:30:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2006 00:30:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:30:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: OT: Rolling Stock? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=4TaFQ2LWokTFuHR20XtK1x2nf3W2FWkbMw0RReCwMT-bvowoBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 In the vein of purchasing amusement park related items, I had heard of=20 people purchasing single stock certificates, framed. I found Disney,=20 Cedar Fair and Six Flags at two sites:=20 singleshare.com oneshare.com Does anybody know if any of the manufacturing companies like Intamin,=20 B&M or Gravity Group are publicly traded? Chris B (Yeah, I bought one of each!) From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon May 01 12:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16054 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.40f.51c085 (39329) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40f.51c085.3187bc48@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:32:24 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Cedar Point Roll Call X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone on this board going to Cedar Point for opening weekend this weekend? I know I will be there! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon May 01 16:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32555 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 23:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 23:11:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 39055 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2006 23:11:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060501231101.39049.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:11:01 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:11:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=B6OZh05vmoOlxkdZf3VURMpH6IeAmW_Tem0s8Pl2XYVhCOR3 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- George Burnash wrote: > So what do you think will turn out to be among the > best of the year > ahead, as well as the worst? I think the best thing will be El Toro. Though some woodie "purists" will balk at it, I think it's going to be a darn fine ride. As for worst, I really dont have a clue. What's going to reap > abundant praise? From enthusisats? There is *NO WAY* that The Voyage and HolliWOOD Nights are not going to be the toast of the town. Even if the event was wack (whoich I dont think it will be), the enthusiast crowd would still proclaim it: Best. Event. Ever. > What are the parks doing that is going to blow up in > their face, or > not work out like it should? Cedar Point and its deep price cuts. I dont think that they are going to see the bump in attendance/ per caps they are looking for. No hard data, just a gut feeling. BTW: Does anyone know if they are facing high vacancy rates at the onsite hotels (Breakers, Sandcastle, etc.)? lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 02 10:06:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62273 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 17:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 17:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 17:02:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 17:02:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 17:02:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:02:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Conneaut Lake Park's future in doubt as staff let go X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XrvEDc1-HNyNa8EpDEjuAIUcm8dqgz74__6zdkIXnwWbW9s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 2, 2006 The Associated Press PhillyBurbs.com http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-05022006-650201.html CONNEAUT LAKE, Pa. -- The future of a historic amusement park was=20 cast into doubt Monday as its court-appointed custodian laid off=20 employees after a loan fell through. LeRoy Stearns, custodian of CL, halted work on preparing the park for=20 the 2006 season and said the park does not have the money to open. A $250,000 loan sought to finance the park's opening was not approved=20 and without it the park does not have the money to meet payroll or to=20 pay other expenses necessary to open. A decision on whether the park=20 will open will be made by May 12, Stearns said. The park must have more than $10,000 by Friday to pay workers'=20 compensation premiums, he said. "If we don't have the money by=20 Friday, our workmen's compensation is canceled and that will (mean)=20 the shutting down of the park," he said. "Even if we get that money,=20 we still don't have the money to pay the employees." The 114-y.o. park will operate Hotel Conneaut for scheduled high=20 school proms and a fundraiser on Monday, but it will otherwise be=20 closed until further notice. Juanita Hampton, executive director of the Crawford County Convention=20 and Visitors Bureau, said failure of the park to open "will have a=20 horrible ripple effect." "It will throw the whole tourist season off in the county," she=20 said "We had a convergence study done, and the 2 most popular spots=20 in the county were Pymatuning State Park and Conneaut Lake Park.=20 Those are our 2 top attractions. If we don't have the park, it will=20 have a huge impact." Last week, the park's opening seemed assured. A Crawford County judge=20 granted Stearns approval to market a 3.3-acre parcel that fronted the=20 park's lakefront to secure a loan to open and pay down the park's=20 $1.9 million debt. "We were pretty confident the lending institution=20 would work with us, but the clincher was there was no guarantee of=20 the actual sale," Stearns said. "The only thing that can turn us=20 around is someone giving us the money to open until the actual sale=20 of the property." The park, which opened in 1892, is the 12th oldest in the nation.=20 This year, Preservation Pennsylvania added the park to its list of=20 endangered historic places, meaning the group believes the park is in=20 imminent danger of closing or being sold for development. --------- =A92006 Copyright Calkins Media, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 02 10:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38222 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 17:11:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 17:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 17:09:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:09:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point water park not quite the draw in second year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2tvCQ3vQtrvo4eC654DWxSoj4KXZKWzteEo7eQrMJPMuU08 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 2, 2006 Associated Press WOOD-TV 8 http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=3D4847504 SANDUSKY, OH -- The owner of Cedar Point says business has slowed at=20 its indoor water park, Castaway Bay. It isn't drawing as many visitors as it did last year, when it was=20 brand new, and officials say that's one reason why parent company=20 Cedar Fair saw its overall sales fall during the first 3 months of=20 the year. Cedar Point in Sandusky (Ohio) is a popular attraction for Michigan=20 residents. Castaway Bay and the Knott's Berry Farm amusement park near Los=20 Angeles are the company's only attractions that operate year-round. Cedar Fair acknowledges that Castaway Bay has lost some business to=20 rival Kalahari Waterpark Resort, now open nearby. -------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and WOODTV From edi_meister@yahoo.com Tue May 02 12:10:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9893 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:10:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:10:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060421224917.44740.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Properly terrifying first experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=-C722S6wjycIdURtQPJK0Jo9NahfGjnPd7cUvXKfgeK4WYE8BBU X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister We've had some good response on this. Thanks guys. I have a little business excuse to run down to New Jersey next Wednesday, and have taken note that SF Great Adventure opens on the Thursday. Nitro might do for a gentle thrill. I don't think my son will let even me get on the Kingda Ka. He's too intimidated with the Dragster. But that 0 - 128 in 3.3 seconds is ... oh so wild. That might qualify as properly terrifying. I've got my six flags pass. Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > For me that would probably be the Vekoma Wild Mouse at Idlewild. I really thought that car was going to come flying off the track. >=20 > Coney's Cyclone was interesting: my first ride in the front seat was pleasant and I didn't think to much of the coaster. Then I rode in the back seat, and I was amazed that I made it out uninjured. What a schizophrenic ride. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20=09=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Earth Day everyday! 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Earth Day >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From edi_meister@yahoo.com Tue May 02 12:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47440 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:12:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:11:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:11:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=qP6aYcHgRNlTC_daFyfeIaA1txMbl_1gK4xCioou9dDDC0IOwqM X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Guys, Any news on the new El Toro? Is it running? RCDB says it is under construction. It doesn't say operating. I might be there on Thu May 11th next week. It would sure be nice if El Toro is operating. Andrew From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 02 12:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22881 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.230) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:22:10 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so215136wra for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.7 with SMTP id f7mr479434qbh; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:22:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Kk6vhWyByJPnmX6_2G5dzK4X1CfNJzhsLC-72WgIa9DIr9DxPEvGRPE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I might be there on Thu May 11th next week. It would sure be nice if > El Toro is operating. I'm not quite sure what the delay is all about. It's not opening anytime soon, judging from construction pictures that show it only half finished. -Nate From edi_meister@yahoo.com Tue May 02 12:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63712 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:32:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:31:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:31:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=Y9FbX7-C7mHbF6R-qUjo8zkXCSvmfdgjkZElgKuGWfd1nlU_JHM X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister http://www.rcdb.com/ig3254.htm Let's say it together: "Ee ja nai ka" (or is it 'Eek'-a-naika) What do you guys think about this? Isn't that just simply lovely? Its colour theming doesn't look as pretty as X, but it sure is a monster. Now if I get sent to Japan on business, I am so going out to Fuji-Q. The 4-D lives. Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Tue May 02 12:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13618 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:34:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2006 19:33:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:33:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=NSGhQcZyTjpBWkX9sIerdL9rB5ZWFuc_rfDpIDDgCGAiawKQvXM X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister So these "operating" photos you see on rcdb - are they just conceptual pictures? I was wondering if they were testing with dummies, meaning to open like on the 11th or something - you know, like when I'm there. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > I might be there on Thu May 11th next week. It would sure be nice if > > El Toro is operating. I'm not quite sure what the delay is all about. >=20 > It's not opening anytime soon, judging from construction pictures that > show it only half finished. >=20 > -Nate > From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue May 02 12:37:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57872 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 19:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:37:56 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so1921186ugf for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr2776hue; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.26.10 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 12:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605021236x23808a1l79c10832f1973833@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:36:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=faZVxSZslAHPVPQB1sh8HPFnGonhIItSVlKjDGowYWgSn8r2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Last I heard they're aiming for Memorial Day On 5/2/06, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > I might be there on Thu May 11th next week. It would sure be nice if > > El Toro is operating. I'm not quite sure what the delay is all about. > > It's not opening anytime soon, judging from construction pictures that > show it only half finished. > > -Nate > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 02 14:11:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81565 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 21:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 21:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 21:11:16 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fb291-0005Dj-1o for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4457CAF4.9030904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:11:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782088ab7387351386631c8047c8f826332df49b6d5c2974c3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3jaGQ9G4H8TOyc_HkkkCpClkqXtt3EE1sckhBnlb6VeaKaw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Andrew wrote: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig3254.htm > > Let's say it together: "Ee ja nai ka" (or is it 'Eek'-a-naika) > > What do you guys think about this? Isn't that just simply lovely? Its > colour theming doesn't look as pretty as X, but it sure is a monster. > Now if I get sent to Japan on business, I am so going out to Fuji-Q. > > The 4-D lives. Looks awesome! It's nice to see that they're finally doing something with the concept again. Wondering if they've made any improvements on the trains or not. Buess we'll have to wait and see on that one. Now if we could just do something about that guy that took almost all of RCDB's pictures. I hear that this Chris Belson character is really something to behold. :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 02 14:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44262 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 21:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 21:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 21:02:30 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so7023wri for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.10 with SMTP id f10mr747318qbh; Tue, 02 May 2006 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:02:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=J-xkgaVneD7ypIjwBDeJDZfBOCM92I3VACv_4WIqrFQWTrkWIVx4ogE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So these "operating" photos you see on rcdb - are they just conceptual > pictures? Did you enlarge them? ;-) I know Keith does good work, but his renderings aren't THAT good! > I was wondering if they were testing with dummies, meaning > to open like on the 11th or something - you know, like when I'm there. Last I saw, the course wasn't even completed yet. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 02 15:00:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65998 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 22:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2006 22:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 22:00:21 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k42M0H80023302 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 17:00:18 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 2 May 2006 17:00:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <051E24FC-1407-4F4D-8EEA-3B5037E3FB5A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:00:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2006 22:00:18.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCEE6200:01C66E33] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ygLNxnveWr-MdQ4KdF6jZeKy3CwUjk-uc2p1JYzszhxUyqzo X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I think it's awesome that someone is building one of these .. hopefully S&S will get the problems worked out, and the 4-D concept will start to spread. I do disagree about the colours though, I really like them! Cameron. On May 2, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Andrew wrote: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig3254.htm > > Let's say it together: "Ee ja nai ka" (or is it 'Eek'-a-naika) > > What do you guys think about this? Isn't that just simply lovely? Its > colour theming doesn't look as pretty as X, but it sure is a monster. > Now if I get sent to Japan on business, I am so going out to Fuji-Q. > > The 4-D lives. > > Andrew > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Avalanches above, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** business continues below. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coreyml03@yahoo.com Tue May 02 19:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86823 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 02:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 02:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 02:56:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 02:56:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 02:56:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 02:56:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.223.85.96 From: "corey" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=M4DGi11ktNCfeorpCxpP9qTeGORg-qTMCRoj6SZSaRGMUge8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 best : yes i am a lil biased but Goliath @ SFOG is the best addition to any park. we needed it and it is beautiful coming over that hill on I 20 and everywhere else you can see it no, i dont think it is the best coaster built this year (voyage) but it is the best addition to a park worst?: kumali all we need is another vekoma anywhere, ever. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue May 02 20:32:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66912 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 03:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 03:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 03:32:14 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2e4.68b3a1e (15863) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 23:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df74458242dad; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:31:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:32:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44582430.8080504@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] El Toro at SF Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=OYT2zXdKkPYbBP8oLtH_bo9eg-YdQsbhm8BxIHBqvWYe8bOP3A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Andrew wrote on 5/2/2006, 3:11 PM: > Guys, > > Any news on the new El Toro? Is it running? RCDB says it is under > construction. It doesn't say operating. > > I might be there on Thu May 11th next week. It would sure be nice if > El Toro is operating. > > Andrew A good deal of the structure is up now, but not that much. The park is shooting for Memorial Day weekend, and so far they are on schedule to meet that goal. It won't be open, but at least you can stand there and gawk at it, it sure is pretty looking by the lake. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed May 03 00:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55712 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 07:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 07:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 07:20:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 07:20:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 07:20:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 07:20:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <051E24FC-1407-4F4D-8EEA-3B5037E3FB5A@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=k5xnB5J84oB1dtBUpXG_2gXHz9piIWg-sXMXSZIPaiPnXWKA0o0 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Some more construction photos from Mr. Alvey's site... http://www.themeparkreview.com/fujiqconst/fujiqconst.htm Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > I think it's awesome that someone is building one of these ..=20=20 > hopefully S&S will get the problems worked out, and the 4-D concept=20=20 > will start to spread. >=20 > I do disagree about the colours though, I really like them! >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On May 2, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Andrew wrote: >=20 > > http://www.rcdb.com/ig3254.htm > > > > Let's say it together: "Ee ja nai ka" (or is it 'Eek'-a-naika) > > > > What do you guys think about this? Isn't that just simply lovely? Its > > colour theming doesn't look as pretty as X, but it sure is a monster. > > Now if I get sent to Japan on business, I am so going out to Fuji-Q. > > > > The 4-D lives. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Avalanches above, * ,_~o > cameron@... ** business continues below. * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 03 01:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50936 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 08:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 08:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 08:32:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 08:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 08:31:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:31:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4457CAF4.9030904@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=i1RB9NHuQZ_WqiUarq7Qc8v0zcakjQQ7NaLvUPmDIV37LahImg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Caution! Embedded replies! > Andrew wrote: > > http://www.rcdb.com/ig3254.htm > >=20 > > Let's say it together: "Ee ja nai ka" (or is it 'Eek'-a-naika) Pronunciation guide: "Ay-ja-na-ee-ka" I'm not 100% on the accent, but I naturally accent=20 the 'ee' meaning that's probably wrong.=20 ;) . George wrote:=20 > Looks awesome! It's nice to see that they're finally doing=20 something=20 > with the concept again. Wondering if they've made any improvements=20 on=20 > the trains or not. Buess we'll have to wait and see on that one. >=20 > Now if we could just do something about that guy that took almost=20 all of=20 > RCDB's pictures. I hear that this Chris Belson character is really=20 > something to behold. :P >=20 > keep on ridin' > George Now, George, I know I posted links to all my construction pictures=20 here, so why are you teasing me? As for RCDB's pictures, I'm actually=20 only the #9 photo contributor there. I'm trying to overtake #8, but=20 I'm over 1000 behind the guy in 7th!=20 Oh! Did you mean the Eejanaika pictures? Yeah, I've been a couple=20 times since construction started. I'm heading back out there again=20 May 12th and possibly early June.=20 Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 03 03:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42873 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 10:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 10:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 10:31:32 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FbEd0-000796-7s for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 06:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: <44588668.4060505@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:31:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782088ab73873513862e4f5fc2ed3c39949930c30f8d046920350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LXMZtT6Ij_OdBB32NEPPEsdV_rkJJfF2sJ2bf0PboSFriZU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > Now, George, I know I posted links to all my construction pictures > here, so why are you teasing me? I know you did- the ones at RCDB as well as the ones at themepark review. Apparently some missed that, or didn't realize it was the same coaster, or something. But that's pretty much why I'm teasing a bit also- it's a tongue in cheek way to say that you post on here and, oh yeah, you already posted about the pictures a little while ago. Looking back at it, I don't think it came accross anywhere near like I meant it to, and I don't know that anyone but you might have made the connection. :( I'm heading back out there again > May 12th and possibly early June. REally? How cool. Wonder what the chances of it being open in early June for you are. I thought that you'd be stateside by then, but I'm definitly looking forward to more pictures later on showing this beast finished. And really appreciate all your time getting the pics and sharning them with us. So much in Japan in particular that I'd love to see and doubt I'll ever be able to, so you're the way I do it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 03 06:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52178 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 13:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 13:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 13:31:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 13:29:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 13:29:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:29:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44588668.4060505@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ECPFJcs_W8XWOb4FgbO1eophKvm9OOoNI1L1z8aijxZBo2kjIg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Chris wrote: >=20 > > Now, George, I know I posted links to all my construction pictures > > here, so why are you teasing me?=20 >=20 > I know you did- the ones at RCDB as well as the ones at themepark=20 > review. Apparently some missed that, or didn't realize it was the=20 same coaster, or something. But that's pretty much why I'm teasing a=20 bit also- it's a tongue in cheek way to say that you post on here=20 and, oh yeah, you already posted about the pictures a little while=20 ago. Looking back at it, I don't think it came accross anywhere near=20 like I meant it to, and I don't know that anyone but you might have=20 made the connection. :( Now, George, I know you were teasing, and I can take a little ribbing=20 here and there without getting all bent out of shape. I did get what=20 you were saying, and replying in kind! If anyone here gets First Drop=20 I am supposed to be in there, too. (Justin Garanovic says he is=20 sending me a comp copy of the issues he has used my pictures in.)=20 > I'm heading back out there again > > May 12th and possibly early June. >=20 > REally? How cool. Wonder what the chances of it being open in=20 early June for you are. I thought that you'd be stateside by then,=20 but I'm definitly looking forward to more pictures later on showing=20 this beast finished. And really appreciate all your time getting the=20 pics and sharning them with us. So much in Japan in particular that=20 I'd love to see and doubt I'll ever be able to, so you're the way I=20 do it. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George The opening date for Eejanaika is set for 19 July, the day after my B- day. I'll be at sea at the time, but I will get the opportunity to=20 ride it and the new ToT at DisneySea beofre I leave in October.=20 On that note, I recieved confirmation that I will be moving to Great=20 Lakes, IL in October. I don't know if I'll be able to swing a trip to=20 Holiday World this year, but I can definitely get to 6FGAm before it=20 closes for the winter.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 03 06:32:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18199 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 13:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 13:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 13:31:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 13:30:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 13:30:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:30:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44588668.4060505@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VHGEyPAARbTt0GgUySiA8DwUaMRg5LG84kU8vmVkj2ne2iPLng X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Chris wrote: >=20 > > Now, George, I know I posted links to all my construction pictures > > here, so why are you teasing me?=20 >=20 > I know you did- the ones at RCDB as well as the ones at themepark=20 > review. Apparently some missed that, or didn't realize it was the=20 same coaster, or something. But that's pretty much why I'm teasing a=20 bit also- it's a tongue in cheek way to say that you post on here=20 and, oh yeah, you already posted about the pictures a little while=20 ago. Looking back at it, I don't think it came accross anywhere near=20 like I meant it to, and I don't know that anyone but you might have=20 made the connection. :( Now, George, I know you were teasing, and I can take a little ribbing=20 here and there without getting all bent out of shape. I did get what=20 you were saying, and replying in kind! If anyone here gets First Drop=20 I am supposed to be in there, too. (Justin Garanovic says he is=20 sending me a comp copy of the issues he has used my pictures in.)=20 > I'm heading back out there again > > May 12th and possibly early June. >=20 > REally? How cool. Wonder what the chances of it being open in=20 early June for you are. I thought that you'd be stateside by then,=20 but I'm definitly looking forward to more pictures later on showing=20 this beast finished. And really appreciate all your time getting the=20 pics and sharning them with us. So much in Japan in particular that=20 I'd love to see and doubt I'll ever be able to, so you're the way I=20 do it. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George The opening date for Eejanaika is set for 19 July, the day after my B- day. I'll be at sea at the time, but I will get the opportunity to=20 ride it and the new ToT at DisneySea beofre I leave in October.=20 On that note, I recieved confirmation that I will be moving to Great=20 Lakes, IL in October. I don't know if I'll be able to swing a trip to=20 Holiday World this year, but I can definitely get to 6FGAm before it=20 closes for the winter.=20 Chris B One lift hill at a time... From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed May 03 08:55:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49901 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 15:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 15:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 15:55:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 15:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 15:54:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:54:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=mrVu6K-WEUYK9iT6pv2EXBYuUTlAFLGGm1_FBk988DOdvFFsm40 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Where is Fuji-Q anyway? I looked at the Google map from rcdb, but it is all in Japanese. If one has some business excuse to be going to Japan and means to visit Fuji-Q, what major airport would you fly into how, very generally (25 words or less) do you get to the park? Where do you stay (town/hotel) when visiting the park? I think LaQua is in Tokyo. Is this like the Knotts / Magic Mountain trip, where the two are drivable between each other? Or like what are we dealing with logistically to do these parks? Thanks, Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > wrote: > > > > Chris wrote: > >=20 > > > Now, George, I know I posted links to all my construction pictures > > > here, so why are you teasing me?=20 > >=20 > > I know you did- the ones at RCDB as well as the ones at themepark=20 > > review. Apparently some missed that, or didn't realize it was the=20 > same coaster, or something. But that's pretty much why I'm teasing a=20 > bit also- it's a tongue in cheek way to say that you post on here=20 > and, oh yeah, you already posted about the pictures a little while=20 > ago. Looking back at it, I don't think it came accross anywhere near=20 > like I meant it to, and I don't know that anyone but you might have=20 > made the connection. :( >=20 > Now, George, I know you were teasing, and I can take a little ribbing=20 > here and there without getting all bent out of shape. I did get what=20 > you were saying, and replying in kind! If anyone here gets First Drop=20 > I am supposed to be in there, too. (Justin Garanovic says he is=20 > sending me a comp copy of the issues he has used my pictures in.)=20 >=20 > > I'm heading back out there again > > > May 12th and possibly early June. > >=20 > > REally? How cool. Wonder what the chances of it being open in=20 > early June for you are. I thought that you'd be stateside by then,=20 > but I'm definitly looking forward to more pictures later on showing=20 > this beast finished. And really appreciate all your time getting the=20 > pics and sharning them with us. So much in Japan in particular that=20 > I'd love to see and doubt I'll ever be able to, so you're the way I=20 > do it. > >=20 > > keep on ridin' > > George >=20 > The opening date for Eejanaika is set for 19 July, the day after my B- > day. I'll be at sea at the time, but I will get the opportunity to=20 > ride it and the new ToT at DisneySea beofre I leave in October.=20 >=20 > On that note, I recieved confirmation that I will be moving to Great=20 > Lakes, IL in October. I don't know if I'll be able to swing a trip to=20 > Holiday World this year, but I can definitely get to 6FGAm before it=20 > closes for the winter.=20 >=20 > Chris B > One lift hill at a time... > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 03 12:14:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82305 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 19:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 19:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 19:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 83718 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 19:13:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060503191323.83716.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.243.167] by web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:13:23 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1146591237.213.80536.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Conneaut Lake Park's future in doubt as staff let go X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=XIKKpesEa0kV0YRpGaxGfJqxyhboObd1ecAb1NTeCUX4CaIRTOLJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * sigh * The only time Karen and I made it out to Conneaut, it was closed= . We stayed at the Hotel Conneaut and really enjoyed it. What a beautiful= old hotel! We were planning a return trip there this summer, because I kn= ew how tenuous the park's future was. What Conneaut needs is a sugar daddy, someone with big bucks to restore th= e park to its former glory. Without that, Conneaut is living on life suppo= rt from season to season. I wish the location were easier to access; it's = a long drive out there. Here's a fun fantasy: Pennsylvania appropriates money to build an old-style= trolley line to take people from Erie and Pittsburg to Conneaut. Even Ken= nywood and Waldameer would benefit! Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 03 12:28:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10538 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 19:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 19:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 19:28:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:27:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:26:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:26:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.243.167 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Point water park not quite the draw in second year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ohf9Dp-8JYBFOrznjnroJt6NdtCL_iLw6YaHIgsFemouf_iDJfEs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It isn't drawing as many visitors as it did last year, when it was=20 > brand new < No duh. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it's not summer yet, or that gas is over $3 a gallon in many areas. Or the fact that the complex is just too bloody huge and is unnecessary. How can they expect to pack that massive place year after year? IMO, Castaway Bay actually cuts into CP's own business. The park has Soak City; why bother with a hotel that has yet another water park?=20 There's Kalihari and Great Bear just down the road. Why couldn't CP have simply made a nice classy hotel with a difference, rather than copy the trend du jour? For instance, what if there was a hotel that was broken up into different lands and simulated different parts of the world? A guest could stay in a faux Egypt or the Mediterranean or Aruba. Or how about an indoor ski lodge? There are still very few of those in the world. It would be a big hit in the heat of summer. Jay From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed May 03 12:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89581 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 19:30:20 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so152393ugc for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr3508huq; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.20 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605031230k3a2f564fs75b5f8fd091c27f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:30:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060503191323.83716.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1146591237.213.80536.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060503191323.83716.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Conneaut Lake Park's future in doubt as staff let go X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=hBUFXEw5khxJtLBFCQp9W3N063eOTZJLVGhKht_mtXp1eujZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons And they found one... just haven't posted the follow up article yet http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06123/686955-42.stm Conneaut Lake Park given a reprieve; Amusement park plans Memorial Day open= ing Wednesday, May 03, 2006 By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette One day after laying off its 30 full-time employees and preparing to close its doors, Conneaut Lake Park may be back in business. The 114-year-old amusement park expects to obtain a loan today that will enable it to open for the season Memorial Day weekend. "I've called everybody back to work. I think we're going to be all right," LeRoy Stearns, court-appointed overseer of the park, said last night. Mr. Stearns said a lending institution that he would not name has agreed to loan the park at least $250,000 so it can open. The papers should be signed today. The deal marks an abrupt turnaround for the park, located 95 miles north of Pittsburgh in Crawford County. Mr. Stearns was preparing to announce Friday that the park would not open this year because it had lost a bank loan necessary to cover start-up costs. That loan was linked to Mr. Stearns' plan to sell 3.3 acres of parkland for a condominium development. He still hopes the sale eventually will bring in $1.5 million. The infusion of cash would pay off almost all the amusement park's debts, which piled up when two private operators went bankrupt in the 1990s. But the property sale, stalled by a fire and reappraisal, cannot be completed until August at the earliest, Mr. Stearns said. That caused the bank to decide against loaning the park money. After a scramble yesterday, Mr. Stearns said, a different company agreed to make the loan. In recent years, Conneaut Lake Park has been known as much for red ink as its Blue Streak roller coaster. A pile of unpaid bills include property and amusement taxes, sewer fees and debts to vendors. The park has only about $10,000 in savings and needs more than 20 times that amount to open, Mr. Stearns said. Among the bigger expenses are $60,000 for liability and workers' compensation insurance. Another $51,000 is needed to meet payroll, which would swell with 250 seasonal workers who operate rides and the park's century-old hotel. About $50,000 more has to be spent to prepare the park for customers, Mr. Stearns said. This year's troubles are similar to 2003, when a Crawford County auto dealer floated the park a $150,000 start-up loan to save its season. Juanita Hampton, executive director of the Crawford County Convention and Visitors Bureau, said keeping the park open is critical to mom-and-pop businesses on Conneaut Lake. She said it draws about 150,000 visitors each summer. Most spend money on lodging and meals outside the park. Nadine Morgan, owner of the Parkside Motel, said the amusement park typically books family reunions that help fill her rooms in July and August. "It would impact us big time if the park doesn't open," she said. "I'm hoping and keeping my fingers crossed." Located on Pennsylvania's largest natural lake, the park should be a big money maker, said Wanda Ramaley, owner of the Stable Pit & Pub, a restaurant and banquet center. Instead, she said, the park's chronic financial troubles hurt the region's image, as prospective visitors are left to wonder if it will open. "I'm worn out with it," Ms. Ramaley said. She said she thinks converting the park to a public trust was a mistake. Even though its last two private owners failed, she said, she would like to see the park back under a private owner committed to ending the financial chaos. On 5/3/06, Jay Ducharme wrote: > * sigh * The only time Karen and I made it out to Conneaut, it was clos= ed. We stayed at the Hotel Conneaut and really enjoyed it. What a beautif= ul old hotel! We were planning a return trip there this summer, because I = knew how tenuous the park's future was. > > What Conneaut needs is a sugar daddy, someone with big bucks to restore = the park to its former glory. Without that, Conneaut is living on life sup= port from season to season. I wish the location were easier to access; it'= s a long drive out there. > > Here's a fun fantasy: Pennsylvania appropriates money to build an old-sty= le trolley line to take people from Erie and Pittsburg to Conneaut. Even K= ennywood and Waldameer would benefit! > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2= =A2/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed May 03 12:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44970 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:49:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:49:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2006 19:49:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:49:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060503191323.83716.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.38.95 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: NEWS: Conneaut Lake Park's future in doubt as staff let go X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=VtIwK5nhK0IaTOFL4pLDRdBzCAw-CUx_k-set2viV0FUN67Dnuh4cw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > * sigh *=20=20 I heard today that a loan came through and that they're back planning to op= en -- people=20 rehired, etc. I sure hope I can get there this summer... From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 04 11:20:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54953 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 16:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2006 16:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 16:32:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2006 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2006 16:32:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:32:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=d8e25bRvRPPOyz8sS_Lr8bmMg4GozQdAC8hNG68XpG96nrs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash If you haven't seen them yet, get yourself over to the new videos of Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will blow you away. I made the mistake of watching one of them when I had a group of kids in class, and they were looking at me and the noises I was making and wondering what was going on. :P This ride just looks absolutely incredible. Honestly, I know that usually I'm one that hates over-hype and especially from people that haven't been on the ride, but from what I can see, if you don't think this coaster isn't one of the best out there right now- and that's as it's still breaking in- then I'm liable to think you're a bit nuts.=20 (but then aren't we all) In any case, enough of my ranting. go look and watch for yourself.=20 Go. Now. keep on ridin' George From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu May 04 14:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65276 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 18:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2006 18:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 18:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9792 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2006 18:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 18:41:53 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbilr-0008OX-4G for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:41:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D9584CF-4B3F-4C1F-B0BD-D050D1805EB5@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:46:12 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=-h7MDT6r6gI5WDq-qOEJCVNoOcXJZ88VK7eeeucGMsSZ9rT2Dkj- X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > If you haven't seen them yet, get yourself over to the new videos of > Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! > > http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html > > There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will > blow you away. > > I made the mistake of watching one of them when I had a group of kids > in class, and they were looking at me and the noises I was making and > wondering what was going on. :P > > This ride just looks absolutely incredible. Honestly, I know that > usually I'm one that hates over-hype and especially from people that > haven't been on the ride, but from what I can see, if you don't think > this coaster isn't one of the best out there right now- and that's as > it's still breaking in- then I'm liable to think you're a bit nuts. > (but then aren't we all) Hopefully it rides like it looks like it does in the video... if it does, its easily one of the best coasters ever made. Almost guranteed #1 wood in Mitch's poll. Mike From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri May 05 07:14:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96550 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 59126 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2006 14:07:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20060505140708.59124.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:07:08 PDT Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:07:08 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=WzKjjtXqvQ9ZeinJ-QMfyFKtba4DF5TNCCMIPN-PPk0x3LR1 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- George Burnash wrote: > Honestly, I know that > usually I'm one that hates over-hype and especially > from people that > haven't been on the ride, but from what I can see, > if you don't think > this coaster isn't one of the best out there right > now- and that's as > it's still breaking in- then I'm liable to think > you're a bit nuts. > (but then aren't we all) Realize George, by basing your opinion that The Voyage will rock solely on your viewing of the on-ride video, you lose all right to dismiss those who say a ride sucks based solely on on-ride videos. If a positive opinion can be created from a vid, so can a negative opinion. I dont want to see you say to anyone "You have to ride it first before you can say it sucks". =] lata, jeremy --who still has not watched the vids. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Fri May 05 07:53:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77574 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2006 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.143) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 13:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 5086 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2006 13:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060505135057.5084.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:50:57 PDT Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 06:50:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=sG4NPNBwEVVciaBLSGwj0zxKd6h96rdGijMPY1TT0goReZvqW4zp8VOo X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had the honor of being there yesterday for the media preview day. I don't= think the POV even does the ride justice. First of all, it's in the front.= ..which is not nearly as wild as the back. The run from the turnaround to t= he final brake is insane, folks....especially in the back. I was tossed aro= und like a ragdoll. I don't think I've ever been impressed with a ride righ= t off the bat like I was with Voyage. If anyone is interested, I posted a r= eview on ThrillNetwork.com. Also, Paul Drabek has updated Negative-G.com wi= th a ton of great pics. -Bryan George Burnash wrote: If you haven't seen them = yet, get yourself over to the new videos of Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! =20 http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html =20 There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will blow you away. =20 I made the mistake of watching one of them when I had a group of kids in class, and they were looking at me and the noises I was making and wondering what was going on. :P =20 This ride just looks absolutely incredible. Honestly, I know that usually I'm one that hates over-hype and especially from people that haven't been on the ride, but from what I can see, if you don't think this coaster isn't one of the best out there right now- and that's as it's still breaking in- then I'm liable to think you're a bit nuts.=20 (but then aren't we all) =20 In any case, enough of my ranting. go look and watch for yourself.=20 Go. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 06 05:26:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99464 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 12:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 12:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 12:26:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 12:24:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 12:24:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:24:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.238.215 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags gives gas discount X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=oFg36t_q24USBBcfXjz8qqkOdJMIpM8EIib-gUMZd2LM7iTd6k-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Six Flags gives gas discount Saturday, May 06, 2006 By WILLIAM FREEBAIRN Six Flags New England hopes customers will forget about high gas prices and make the drive to the park anyway with a new promotion that offers $15 off a full-price adult admission to any customer showing a receipt for gasoline. The amusement park chain is offering the discount until May 29 at 13 theme parks nationwide. "Like everyone in America, we're seeing what's going on with gas prices, and we're sympathetic," said Six Flags New England spokeswoman Melissa M. Pinkerton. Normal full-price admission to the Agawam park is $50 plus tax. Up to six full-priced tickets can be purchased at a discount at Six Flags ticket booths. Gasoline receipts can be in any amount, Pinkerton said. The promotion cannot be applied to child, senior citizen, two-day, multi-park or evening discount tickets. Six Flags New England is open Friday through Sunday during the period of the promotion. It will begin seven-day operations on May 29. The company launched the promotion with advertisements in national newspapers declaring, "Our president is doing something about gas prices." Six Flags President Mark Shapiro said in a statement that the company hopes to capitalize on families avoiding high airfares and driving to nearby Six Flags amusement parks.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 06 05:39:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47112 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 12:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 12:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 12:38:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 12:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 12:38:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:38:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.238.215 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=O7oBpxYt-XxEye930L-8jomcZgkdHeLhC4eLZf-LMNDuoBxUWrIc X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will blow you away ... if you don't think this coaster isn't one of the best out there right now then I'm liable to think you're a bit nuts. < Well I guess I'm certifiable. But it's hard to tell from just the video. It looks to me like Millennium Force: lots of speed, direction changes and tunnels. The outbound run looks like it's got three decent airtime hills. The only way to find out is to make a trip out there. I'm concerned about the wear and tear on the wood track. If the ride were more of an out-and-back like Shivering Timbers, the tremendous forces wouldn't be that much of an issue. But keeping the ride so low to the ground and with so many direction changes ... I don't know. I think the ride's going to drain their maintenance budget. Jay From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat May 06 06:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64052 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 13:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 13:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-44.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 13:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2928 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2006 13:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 13:55:36 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FcNFw-0001Du-7K for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 May 2006 07:55:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0102F4C9-8E2B-4D11-8187-74C21093FA73@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:59:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=J5gesZb_fj7PBxkS6GkPJjzjNT4vI-vIysqYu5rqcySkT2-_7k5t X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they > will blow you away ... if you don't think this coaster isn't one of > the best out there right now then I'm liable to think you're a bit > nuts. < > > Well I guess I'm certifiable. But it's hard to tell from just the > video. It looks to me like Millennium Force: lots of speed, direction > changes and tunnels. The outbound run looks like it's got three > decent airtime hills. The only way to find out is to make a trip out > there. The Voyage seems a lot longer than MF, and it seems like it does a lot more. > I'm concerned about the wear and tear on the wood track. If the ride > were more of an out-and-back like Shivering Timbers, the tremendous > forces wouldn't be that much of an issue. But keeping the ride so low > to the ground and with so many direction changes ... I don't know. I > think the ride's going to drain their maintenance budget. I agree. I'm sure HW thought about this before, so hopefully they have it figured out and don't get caught by surprise. I wonder how the Millenium Flyer trains would've worked on the ride though, they probably wouldn't tear up the track as much. Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 06 07:30:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70495 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 14:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 14:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 14:28:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:28:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:27:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags gives gas discount X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=mZnE3iObt6OBdi4Tx7kv6iHYl6zRFDBEXYwCcobBuvluGG3AOg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Six Flags gives gas discount > Saturday, May 06, 2006 > By WILLIAM FREEBAIRN >=20 > Six Flags New England hopes customers will forget about high gas > prices and make the drive to the park anyway with a new promotion that > offers $15 off a full-price adult admission to any customer showing a > receipt for gasoline. Ooh, maybe this Shapiro guy is pretty smart after all. Raise the price of parking, then give it back in a positive PR=20 campaign. Those who forget to get a reciept, bring it to the ticket=20 booth or don't hear or remember the campaign still pay full price.=20 Someone's making money off this! Chris B From louise_hodgetts@btinternet.com Sat May 06 07:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: louise_hodgetts@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12543 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 14:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 14:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 14:33:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:33:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 194.72.9.17 From: "louise490002" Subject: NEWS : The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258833247; y=o2y2mrKaWfWZPzRBT0gJF8vbNNMiD3dQ2n4nRmq0IIlPMFMKBuRIA0nrnuYPYJjG4XOB3q6SoBBl X-Yahoo-Profile: louise490002 The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida will wrap you in=20 suspense and intrigue of the studio's popular Mummy franchise. Part=20 coaster. Part dark ride. All revolutionary ride experience. You=20 enter the movie set where you are cast as an extra in a mine car=20 chase scene for an upcoming Mummy sequel. In the sometimes humorous=20 videos that run in the queue area you start feeling that nothing is=20 going as planned. There's talk of the set being cursed. Star Brendan=20 Fraser can't get the catering company to pony up a cup of Joe --=20 much less respect. Then the line gets deliciously creepy as you=20 enter the tomb set. Lights flicker. A mummy tomb in the middle will=20 react if you lay your hand on a handprint. You see a video monitor=20 of folks walking a bridge. Press a button and they will react -- as=20 if a burst of air just short up. The next walkway features a=20 hologram that will also give you a good scare if you try to touch=20 it. Then, yes, you find yourself on that very bridge -- suddenly at=20 the mercy of those behind you in the queue. It's a beautifully=20 themed line area which leads to a set of stairs that will take you=20 to the boarding area.=20 The 4-minute ride is intense! While the linear-inducted propulsion=20 isn't as powerful as other launched rides like Hulk or Rock & Roller=20 Coaster you will be pleasantly surprised at the many cool elements -- like a car that goes backwards or rotates on a turntable in a=20 brilliant 180 degree escape from a dead end. Housed in the same=20 building that once gave Kongfrontation life on the Roosevelt Island=20 tramway -- meaning that while there wasn't enough room for loops or=20 huge drops you still get a bit of enjoyable airtime -- the ride=20 started technical rehearsals in March of 2004 and will open=20 officially on May 21, 2004. So take a trip out to the back of=20 Universal Studios Florida and go check out the Museum of Modern=20 Antiquities. Just don't cry for your mummy. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat May 06 08:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98174 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 15:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 15:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 15:00:05 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA799A6B for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 09:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:58:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=pswKD0ILAUzfV4iLhxRwmA9CKFE4dknvKG4-4YCp5SjpvNNO X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Well I guess I'm certifiable. But it's hard to tell from just the > video. It looks to me like Millennium Force Except it looks like Voyage actually does something interesting with the speed! :) > I'm concerned about the wear and tear on the wood track. Me too, a little. I like to think that with Raven and Legend, Holiday World knows what they're getting into maintenance-wise. The more rigid steel structure will probably need far less work in the long run, although this will come at the expense of the track - track-work is easy to stay on top of. (Err .. That's just a guess, I don't actually know anything! But it does seem likely..). Now I might be showing my age here, but my real concern is that it might just be too much. I always felt that Legend is a little too lateral-heavy (gets a little annoying), and it really doesn't need to be. When I rode Thunderhead (my first GCI), I immediately wished that GCI had built Legend instead of CCI. That said, I'm still drooling all over those videos Holiday World published .. and I can't wait to ride it! Cameron. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat May 06 08:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25200 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 15:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 15:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.1ac.4ba1ea5e (15888) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e10445cbfb630f; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:24:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:24:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <445CBFB7.4090407@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags gives gas discount X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=A7vm1_unhNEbz9xZrcPbwRrtez6dkNhEQMRL5aJ62Lvoddn1vA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 5/6/2006, 10:27 AM: > Ooh, maybe this Shapiro guy is pretty smart after all. > > Raise the price of parking, then give it back in a positive PR > campaign. Those who forget to get a reciept, bring it to the ticket > booth or don't hear or remember the campaign still pay full price. > Someone's making money off this! > > Chris B And what is wrong with making money??? Seems like a solid promotion to me, though there are still better deals out there. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat May 06 08:27:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3135 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 15:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 15:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 15:26:57 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.111.5e7ed536 (15862) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6445cc00e164; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:26:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:26:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <445CC00F.1020009@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=s4qLX9tUcM-YVVLY0PX26mf32Mhh_T_i3gUNl1xDnXhXbOY9CA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo And I thought I was sometimes behind the times? louise490002 wrote on 5/6/2006, 10:33 AM: > The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida will wrap you in > suspense and intrigue of the studio's popular Mummy franchise. Part > coaster. Part dark ride. All revolutionary ride experience. You > enter the movie set where you are cast as an extra in a mine car > chase scene for an upcoming Mummy sequel. In the sometimes humorous > videos that run in the queue area you start feeling that nothing is > going as planned. There's talk of the set being cursed. Star Brendan > Fraser can't get the catering company to pony up a cup of Joe -- > much less respect. Then the line gets deliciously creepy as you > enter the tomb set. Lights flicker. A mummy tomb in the middle will > react if you lay your hand on a handprint. You see a video monitor > of folks walking a bridge. Press a button and they will react -- as > if a burst of air just short up. The next walkway features a > hologram that will also give you a good scare if you try to touch > it. Then, yes, you find yourself on that very bridge -- suddenly at > the mercy of those behind you in the queue. It's a beautifully > themed line area which leads to a set of stairs that will take you > to the boarding area. > > The 4-minute ride is intense! While the linear-inducted propulsion > isn't as powerful as other launched rides like Hulk or Rock & Roller > Coaster you will be pleasantly surprised at the many cool elements -- > like a car that goes backwards or rotates on a turntable in a > brilliant 180 degree escape from a dead end. Housed in the same > building that once gave Kongfrontation life on the Roosevelt Island > tramway -- meaning that while there wasn't enough room for loops or > huge drops you still get a bit of enjoyable airtime -- the ride > started technical rehearsals in March of 2004 and will open > officially on May 21, 2004. So take a trip out to the back of > Universal Studios Florida and go check out the Museum of Modern > Antiquities. Just don't cry for your mummy. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Sat May 06 08:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90731 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51106.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 15:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 66999 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2006 15:38:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060506153846.66996.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2006 08:38:46 PDT Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=FmmpQgyEbqo0jnYJX7uXWlybcU70taqSVevuE27TEBEau2Bh5UQ_Kyvc X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cameron Silver wrote: > Well I guess I'm certifiable. But it's hard to tell from just the > video. It looks to me like Millennium Force >Except it looks like Voyage actually does something interesting with >the speed! :) You are 190% correct. The return run feels like an olympic bobsled run with airtime all over the place. Millennium Force just meanders back to the station. >Now I might be showing my age here, but my real concern is that it >might just be too much. I always felt that Legend is a little too >lateral-heavy (gets a little annoying), and it really doesn't need to >be. I'd agree with that statement to a degree. Voyage is a better blend of all of the elements (Positive, Lateral, Negative G's). The only thing I didn't care for too much were the seat dividers. They're not like the ones I'm used to. It's not a solid divider, it's like an L turned 90's degrees to the right...meaning it's more of a bar than a "wall"-type divider (if this makes any sense). I bashed my hip into it on a few occasions and it wasn't all that pleasant. I never bruised or anything, but it felt uncomfortable. -Bryan "already planning to get back to ride it more and ride Gobbler Getaway" Wood --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From louise_hodgetts@btinternet.com Sat May 06 09:17:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: louise_hodgetts@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94005 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 16:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 16:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.12.117) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 16:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26981 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2006 16:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060506161737.26979.qmail@web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.153.136.78] by web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:17:37 BST Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:17:37 +0100 (BST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <445CC00F.1020009@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.12.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: louise Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258833247; y=AXKs-C6xZveJtokSdIwe-sSds2KnsSsKMxxObEyj4yrxeNjGcze1SHj-j3dhXEXcJiXXT1gZIIAP X-Yahoo-Profile: louise490002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lol sorry :-( Nathan Brown wrote: And I thought I was sometimes behind the times? louise490002 wrote on 5/6/2006, 10:33 AM: > The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida will wrap you in > suspense and intrigue of the studio's popular Mummy franchise. Part > coaster. Part dark ride. All revolutionary ride experience. You > enter the movie set where you are cast as an extra in a mine car > chase scene for an upcoming Mummy sequel. In the sometimes humorous > videos that run in the queue area you start feeling that nothing is > going as planned. There's talk of the set being cursed. Star Brendan > Fraser can't get the catering company to pony up a cup of Joe -- > much less respect. Then the line gets deliciously creepy as you > enter the tomb set. Lights flicker. A mummy tomb in the middle will > react if you lay your hand on a handprint. You see a video monitor > of folks walking a bridge. Press a button and they will react -- as > if a burst of air just short up. The next walkway features a > hologram that will also give you a good scare if you try to touch > it. Then, yes, you find yourself on that very bridge -- suddenly at > the mercy of those behind you in the queue. It's a beautifully > themed line area which leads to a set of stairs that will take you > to the boarding area. > > The 4-minute ride is intense! While the linear-inducted propulsion > isn't as powerful as other launched rides like Hulk or Rock & Roller > Coaster you will be pleasantly surprised at the many cool elements -- > like a car that goes backwards or rotates on a turntable in a > brilliant 180 degree escape from a dead end. Housed in the same > building that once gave Kongfrontation life on the Roosevelt Island > tramway -- meaning that while there wasn't enough room for loops or > huge drops you still get a bit of enjoyable airtime -- the ride > started technical rehearsals in March of 2004 and will open > officially on May 21, 2004. So take a trip out to the back of > Universal Studios Florida and go check out the Museum of Modern > Antiquities. Just don't cry for your mummy. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat May 06 14:34:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95625 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.267.9bd0b2f (15888) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e10445d1648223; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:34:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:34:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060506161737.26979.qmail@web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445D1649.1020107@aol.com> References: <20060506161737.26979.qmail@web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : The new ride for 2004 at Universal Studios Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=nA5faSbNjSCJjfy46qKD0wMD12l278QLR5SvVzuTLyGVvcuW3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Fear not, it is all in good humor ;) louise wrote on 5/6/2006, 12:17 PM: > lol sorry :-( > > Nathan Brown wrote: And I thought I was > sometimes behind the times? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 07 04:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11290 invoked from network); 7 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 11:18:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.56.145.34 From: "Chris" Subject: TR for the future: BE, NL, UK, N and S X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=DHCCz9OD4OAsvxlPIAxu39nfGWPDkYoHXTW8HRSB-Sgi_G-GXA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I just got approved for my Europe trip to Belgium, Netherlands, United=20 Kingdom, Norway and Sweden.=20 I'm planning on hitting Walibi World, Toverland, Efteling,=20 Bobbejaanland, Walibi Belgium and the Amsterdam Dungeon before flying=20 (It was cheaper than the train!?!) to UK for Legoland before joining up=20 to the Theme Park Review UK trip. I'm also going on the add-on to=20 Liseberg and Tysenfrund in Sweden and Norway.=20 I hope to take scads of pictures, hours of film, and plenty of notes to=20 do up a huge trip report. Now I just need y'all to hold me to the TR!=20 Thanks, and have a happy coaster season everyone! Chris B From thunder7nyfl@netscape.net Sun May 07 13:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@netscape.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33391 invoked from network); 7 May 2006 20:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2006 20:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2006 20:07:55 -0000 Received: from thunder7nyfl@netscape.net by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.7.151f8e20 (16238) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblkn-m03 (mblkn-m03.mblk.aol.com [64.12.170.67]) by air-in03.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILININ32-3f6e445e5394ca; Sun, 07 May 2006 16:07:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 16:08:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8402916CD975E-1974-6794@mblkn-m03.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 70.127.133.243 by mblkn-m03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 May 2006 16:08:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 17673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@netscape.net Subject: NEWS: 7.4-billion-dollar Disney-Pixar merger finalized X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=267964157; y=-G8I8VY39m02PwWs0AUZ1bLLhqQUU0vmN3Eno4is8YwXW403CPIA X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl LOS ANGELES (AFP) - The board of Pixar Animation approved its 7.4-billion-dollar acquisition by US entertainment behemoth Walt Disney Co., sealing a deal that reshapes the animated movie industry. Just some information I came across surfing the net today. Never, Ever, Lose Sight of the Thrill! Joe Tampa Bay, FL ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon May 08 07:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48215 invoked from network); 8 May 2006 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2006 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2006 14:41:15 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:39:47 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD006915D2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2054 thread-index: AcZw/dzmrqoAjC5YSSeqPgzSIsACGgBrsoxw To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2054 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=lRAUaBvvnNL_VPVRJS8oKsrbbEpo90wJiBqIrvViUJAXxARDAw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > If you haven't seen them yet, get yourself over to the new videos of > Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! > > http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html > > There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will > blow you away. Holy crap! First of all, I'm so far behind on reading Screamscape, that I didn't even realize this ride was finished already. Second, that's some high-quality video footage. Very smooth. It says two things: the technology of video cameras and the Internet keeps getting better and, more importantly, that this looks to be an amazingly smooth coaster. And very fast! Wow. I wish I could ride it right now. Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 08 11:24:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27045 invoked from network); 8 May 2006 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2006 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2006 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2006 18:23:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2006 18:23:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2006 18:23:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:23:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR for the future: BE, NL, UK, N and S X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PgODOQjjnLbDAOtizzD2wxjBpfvA20NGUZWdqHfblONnP9o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 You're the Man! Have a BUNCH of fun. When do you leave? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > I just got approved for my Europe trip to Belgium, Netherlands,=20 United=20 > Kingdom, Norway and Sweden.=20 > I'm planning on hitting Walibi World, Toverland, Efteling,=20 > Bobbejaanland, Walibi Belgium and the Amsterdam Dungeon before flying=20 > (It was cheaper than the train!?!) to UK for Legoland before joining=20 up=20 > to the Theme Park Review UK trip. I'm also going on the add-on to=20 > Liseberg and Tysenfrund in Sweden and Norway.=20 > I hope to take scads of pictures, hours of film, and plenty of notes=20 to=20 > do up a huge trip report. Now I just need y'all to hold me to the TR!=20 > Thanks, and have a happy coaster season everyone! > Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 08 11:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65798 invoked from network); 8 May 2006 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2006 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2006 18:25:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2006 18:25:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2006 18:25:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:25:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C8402916CD975E-1974-6794@mblkn-m03.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: 7.4-billion-dollar Disney-Pixar merger finalized X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dDixJZMV0UjFQpYsb-Jn-wW4d4flk4ExZhx8GUo5vhYYEeM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Yup, and here are some more details. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Disney has finalized its purchase of Pixar Animation, with a stock transition of 2.3 Disney shares for every 1 of Pixar's shares. Dr. Ed Catmull, Pixar President, was appointed as President of the new Pixar and Disney animation studios. John Lasseter, Pixar Executive VP, was appointed as Chief Creative Officer of the animation studios, and Principal Creative Advisor at Walt Disney Imagineering. Steve Jobs, Pixar Chairman and CEO, joined Disney's Board of=20 Directors. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, thunder7nyfl@... wrote: > > LOS ANGELES (AFP) - The board of Pixar Animation approved its=20 > 7.4-billion-dollar acquisition by US entertainment behemoth Walt=20 Disney=20 > Co., sealing a deal that reshapes the animated movie industry. >=20 > Just some information I came across surfing the net today. > Never, Ever, Lose Sight of the Thrill! > Joe > Tampa Bay, FL From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon May 08 16:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58349 invoked from network); 8 May 2006 23:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2006 23:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2006 23:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 78735 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2006 23:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.10.119] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:01:06 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147002140.184.28151.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=SBYQL9KDTM3iAvI2F_k97s3qQ8XtZrCpKIHX_A7jG5A50l5h3CDj X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Except it looks like Voyage actually does something interesting with the speed! :) < Agreed. But the relentlessness of the speed isn't my cup of tea -- for that long a ride. If the ride were about 2000 feet shorter, I think it would be extremely effective. But from the video, it seems a bit exhausting. I wonder if POP admissions have affected the coaster design process. In the old days of pay-per-ride, a coaster not only had to be thrilling but re-rideable to keep people paying the fare (unless the designer happened to be Harry Traver). Now the idea is to get people on the coaster once and then get them through the gift shop and over to the concession stands. So thrilling a guest to the point of exhaustion isn't such a bad idea in a POP park. > I like to think that with Raven and Legend, Holiday World knows what they're getting into maintenance-wise. < I'd like to think that too, but I'm not holding my breath. > The more rigid steel structure will probably need far less work in the long run, although this will come at the expense of the track < Exactly. Holiday World should have contracted Martin & Vleminckx for the trackwork, and they should have used either composite or redwood. But it's probably all #2 southern yellow pine. And if it's like the old CCI trackwork, the joints aren't butted up tightly which will accelerate the track deterioration process. The first two years will probably be okay, but then "let the track work begin!" > I immediately wished that GCI had built Legend instead of CCI. < They might have steered clear of such a project, or would have charged so much as to make the construction unfeasible. I think the GCI trains are heavier than the PTCs. So they would do even more damage if they were placed on Voyage's track. It's a troublesome problem: if the train rides on sturdy track on top of a steel frame, maintenance is reduced. But what then gets damaged is the rider. If the track is sturdy but the structure is allowed to sway, the rider is comfortable but the structure needs TLC. Maybe what's needed is a steel structure with shock absorbers to take the punishing forces. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue May 09 02:08:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90344 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 09:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 09:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 09:08:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 09:06:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 09:06:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:06:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD006915D2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Digest Number 2054 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RSfZnFkeVvA19Hcqnp1Hyao2V9q0qwszqSBb3CL5JqXPgmS6Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > > If you haven't seen them yet, get yourself over to the new videos of > > Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! > >=20 > > http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html > >=20 > > There's onboard POV, reverse POV, and offride videos up, and they will > > blow you away. I finally got home and could watch the videos last night. My impressions: All the comments about SUSTAINED speed are spot on.=20 Did they coach the riders to keep their hands down? It just looks unnatural. Although as out of control as it looks, if those folks were noobs, they might not have WANTED to let go! I hear HW is about 3 hours from Chicago. Mmmm... That's nice... Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue May 09 02:17:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22557 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 09:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 09:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 09:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 09:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 09:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 09:16:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:16:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR for the future: BE, NL, UK, N and S X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CwJpluHHYHJaKkqwIMTMCf7CfD0bSVrH5OrOfTU0EtQMNjcHuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I leave June 5th and return on the 22nd.=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > You're the Man! > Have a BUNCH of fun. When do you leave? >=20 > -Alan From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 05:02:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 12:02:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0792C6 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70F1B8B9-B296-47EA-9651-A3BFC83D13B8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:02:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Digest Number 2054 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Ks-lGu5kHl6sJTF7qe_QeqP0gwauScwG9fnbJB7OfhDFC7QQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I hear HW is about 3 hours from Chicago. Mmmm... That's nice... Holiday World is about 330 miles from Downtown Chicago .. it's a loooong, booooring drive down there, but the destination is worth it. Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue May 09 05:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41995 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 12:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 12:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 12:20:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 12:20:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 12:20:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:20:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.0.146 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QJ3UWXRPpsyOFkaWsISREHEYBfjDl5U6rZVZ1zDcY63iWzRbD0VH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses Tuesday, May 09, 2006 By WILLIAM FREEBAIRN wfreebairn@repub.com Six Flags Inc. reported a growing loss it attributed to the timing of the Easter holiday and other factors. The company reported a first-quarter loss to common shareholders of $246.5 million, or $2.63 per share, after markets closed yesterday. That compared to a 2005 first quarter loss of $159 million, or $1.69 per share. The company said the bulk of the loss this year was due to non-cash costs and items not directly involved in operations. Six Flags, which owns Six Flags New England in Agawam, said revenue declined 14 percent from $49.5 million last year to $42.7 million this year. Attendance was down, but per capita spending by park-goers was up, the firm said. Last year's first quarter included the Easter holiday period, which fell in April this year, the firm said. There were 10 percent more operating days in last year's first quarter, the company said. "The first-quarter results are quite encouraging with respect to our strategy to drive per capita revenue growth," said Six Flags' new president, Mark Shapiro, in a statement. The company also announced it has reached an agreement to sell Astro World, its 104-acre park in Houston, for $77 million. The property has been cleared of all buildings, rides and structures for the sale. The company's New Orleans amusement park will remain closed for the 2006 season, the company said. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 09 07:25:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12348 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 14:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 14:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.239) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 14:24:00 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i24so1194835wra for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.184.10 with SMTP id h10mr1644355qbf; Tue, 09 May 2006 07:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:17:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147002140.184.28151.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Qt9lI2Poa8waNadFArCI4NTtN8LlhGO1rUwd70Act0z6Oa5K7qY15Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Now I might be showing my age here, but my real concern is that it > > might just be too much. I always felt that Legend is a little too > > lateral-heavy (gets a little annoying), and it really doesn't need to > > be. That's my concern too, but I don't think the Voyage looks nearly as intense lateral-wise as something like the Legend. The only part that really gets me on the Legend is the helix, where they apparently found it unnecessary to bank the track. The run back to the station is crazy intense, but in a wonderful way that combines laterals and vertical g-forces. It's exhausting, but it's one of my favorite sections of any ride I've been on. > > When I rode Thunderhead (my first GCI), I immediately wished that > > GCI had built Legend instead of CCI. I'm interested to ride Kentucky Rumbler because I have yet to ride a GCI that I've found particularly forceful. When Gwazi is performing well it's really fun, but nothing crazy. Wildcat is average.=20 Lightning Racer is fun, but far more family oriented. Aside from the aforementioned helix, I don't think CCI could have done a better job with the Legend. > Exactly. Holiday World should have contracted Martin & Vleminckx for the= trackwork, and they should > have used either composite or redwood. But i= t's probably all #2 southern yellow pine. And if it's like the > old CCI trackwork, the joints aren't butted up tightly which will acceler= ate the track deterioration process. > The first two years will probably be= okay, but then "let the track work begin!" I think that if there's one park where we *don't* need to worry about coaster maintenance, it's Holiday World. It's not just the fact that they have two world-class wooden coasters that are among the best maintained rides in the country, or even that they hired on former CCI staff just to care for their rides. Holiday World truly cares about having rides that not only ride smoothly, but perform as well as they can. For example, I noticed a few people on Coasterbuzz talking about one pretty violent bump on the Voyage before the third 90* banked turn.=20 It's visible on the reverse POV, but not so much on the forward-facing one. Apparently it's nothing super painful, just noticeable. Paula Werne (the park's PR director) logs on to say that they're working on that this week. That's phenomenal commitment to guest satisfaction, and something the vast majority of parks don't do. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 09 07:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30695 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 14:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 14:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.227) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 14:42:47 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so1165443wra for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.235.15 with SMTP id m15mr1659597qbr; Tue, 09 May 2006 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:36:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Point water park not quite the draw in second year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=QZP_1iUMy-WhXPKVEC9_BqQNvLSGr43PucNK3GwE6EoL36hzhqxBwdo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > It isn't drawing as many visitors as it did last year, when it was > > brand new No duh. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it's not summer yet, or that gas is over $3 a gallon in many areas. Or the fact that the complex is just too bloody huge and is unnecessary. How can they expect to pack that massive place year after year? I could believe gas prices are hurting attendance at the resort, but I don't believe the other two things have anything to do with it. These resorts are custom built for winter, and most of the others in the country do quite well during winter months. If anything, Castaway Bay should suffer during the *summer*, since the indoor waterpark isn't as much of a draw, especially when Cedar Point has its own outdoor waterpark that resort guests can use. As for the size of the resort, Castaway Bay is far from the largest indoor waterpark in the country. The Kalahari in Wisconsin Dells is more than three times as big. The Kalahari in Sandusky is twice as big. Both of these resorts (along with many others that are larger than CP's) are doing quite well. So I don't think that size has anything to do with it. > IMO, Castaway Bay actually cuts into CP's own business. The park has > Soak City; why bother with a hotel that has yet another water park? Because Soak City isn't open year-round? :) > There's Kalihari and Great Bear just down the road. Why couldn't CP > have simply made a nice classy hotel with a difference, rather than > copy the trend du jour? Well, the Kalahari opened *after* Castaway Bay, I believe. But aside from that, indoor waterparks are all the rage right now. Hotels with indoor waterparks are packing rooms full year-round. And what's going to be a bigger draw for families - a room themed to Egypt, or a room overlooking a massive indoor waterpark? Something tells me the waterslides are going to win out every time. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 09 08:03:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35242 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 15:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 15:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.199) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 15:03:32 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i28so1511581nzi for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.21.20 with SMTP id 20mr1681675qbu; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:03:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=oebimW9aKv3nyeL9PFvNZLVqhf5igzasaDfcwsHfpkI8Wr3u9svw7WA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I think the Voyage/Thanksgiving will be one of (if not the) best additions to a park this year, and not just because it looks excellent. Holiday World was smart with this one, and added something for thrill-seekers, something for families, and something to their waterpark. Park capacity increases significantly, and there's at least one new attraction that's going to appeal to everyone. The Raven and Legend were significant additions for the park, but I think the Voyage is going to be the signature ride that's really going to put the park on the map...at least in places it isn't already. The worst additions are, IMO, El Toro and Tatsu. Neither of these parks needed a huge new coaster, and while I think they both look like great rides, I don't think they're going to do anything for attendance. SFGAdv should have concentrated on building a resort, which would have gotten people to stay more than one day. SFMM should have put in something for the family. I think both of these additions would have been fine - even great - a few years from now, but the timing of these is just poor. It makes no sense to build two huge coasters in a row, and it makes no sense to keep building coasters when they haven't helped drive attendance in the past. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 09 08:53:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53833 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 15:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 15:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 15:52:59 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1278255wra for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.197.9 with SMTP id z9mr1694494qbp; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:51:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9A9423B8-B2F7-41AB-B23E-8E675B9E11E9@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ErOrh-ilw1Tm8orNHnSEiWo_GWtPY27mSQR2ZB5GCIs75dP4ZGfF-MA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It's getting so you spit and hit a Disney park. Unless each park is *rea= lly* special, they're all going to cut > into each others' business. You must be able to spit pretty far. The two closest Disney parks in the world are Disneyland and Disneyworld - the two originals, and the two Walt planned. They're 2500 miles apart, and they're the most attended parks in the country.=20 Clearly they're not cutting into each others' business. > Six Flags tries to be a regional park. It's *supposed* to be everywhere,= so that within the US there's a > park within a day's drive of everyone. So in that sense, they have to ma= ke sure there's a uniformity so > guests don't say, "Our Six Flags park sucks. Let's go to Great America i= nstead." Obviously, though, the > chain hasn't quite achieved uniformity. I think you've got that backward. Regional parks are supposed to have regional appeal. They're supposed to be catered to the market. They're supposed to be different from each other. If hypercoasters and megaloopers drives attendance in one market, that's what that park should do. If flat rides and shows drives attendance in another parket, that's what that park should do.=20 Mass producing the same park and scattering it around the country is a sure-fire way to kill your business. Disney is a destination park. There's no regional appeal, and because it draws from around the country, there's no catering to a specific market. Walt realized, though, that this country is large enough to support more than one destination park, and that people east of the Mississippi would go to one while people to the west of the Mississippi would go to the other. Yes, they're essentially exactly the same, but it has nothing to do with cutting into or not cutting into each others' business. It's because people know what to expect from Disney, and they want that experience every time. I don't think Six Flags is trying to be Disney; anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that's never going to happen. What Shapiro is doing is taking some of the things that work at Disney - costumed characters, parades, etc - and applying them to his regional parks.=20 Six Flags will never have the rides, nor the attendance of Disney.=20 But some of the customer-friendly, family-oriented things that make Disney successful will work just as well for Six Flags. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 11:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31794 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 18:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 18:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 18:44:13 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k49IhIow004215 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:55 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <9A9423B8-B2F7-41AB-B23E-8E675B9E11E9@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49385078-A882-4CBD-A827-85DD06F1B99C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 18:43:52.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[84E63360:01C67398] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=IG82SFoZk2l8J50zpJyN2tyumVHlJFoSKlvQHrpWLKExBulu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Regional parks are supposed to have regional appeal. They're supposed > to be catered to the market. They're supposed to be different from > each other. If hypercoasters and megaloopers drives attendance in one > market, that's what that park should do. If flat rides and shows > drives attendance in another parket, that's what that park should do. > Mass producing the same park and scattering it around the country is a > sure-fire way to kill your business. Ding! You're 100% right! Actually, I should say that I agree with you 100% .. whether or not that's right remains to be seen (if it can be proved at all); however it does make the most sense. Six Flags is pushing the whole 45th anniversary thing, which I think is particularly pointless in an area like Chicago. It's the 30th anniversary of Six Flags Great America, and in my opinion they should be pushing that. Many people in the Chicago area grew up going to (then) Marriott's Great America, and all have fond memories of it. I'd have thought that nostalgia would make a great marketing hook. No- one cares about Six Flags, but many people care about Great America. They could charge "opening year" pricing for a day or two, and totally fill the park. It's desperately needed at this time of year, as the place is pretty much a ghost town until after July 4th (sometimes I wonder why they even bother!). > I don't think Six Flags is trying to be Disney; anyone with an ounce > of common sense can see that's never going to happen. What Shapiro is > doing is taking some of the things that work at Disney - costumed > characters, parades, etc - and applying them to his regional parks. Right, but he's foolish for coming out publicly and saying that he's going to be like Disney because people will expect to see Disney! But what they're going to get are plain and simple rides, and little theming. If he's focusing on customer service, then that's what they should be publicizing. People don't like being lied to; and even though he's technically telling the truth, it will be perceived as lies. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 11:48:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61078 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 18:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 18:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 18:48:27 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k49Ilkm7019378 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:47:46 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 May 2006 13:47:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DA70743-3003-4273-AEEF-06394E8E11EB@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:47:46 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 18:47:46.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[100BB0F0:01C67399] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=RQ9Dd710A6bdZSvO1CMSSCChGC9p9_T1Q98PIHgWuCW0wAHa X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > I wonder if POP admissions have affected the coaster design > process. In the old days of pay-per-ride, a coaster not only had > to be thrilling but re-rideable to keep people paying the fare > (unless the designer happened to be Harry Traver). Now the idea is > to get people on the coaster once and then get them through the > gift shop and over to the concession stands. So thrilling a guest > to the point of exhaustion isn't such a bad idea in a POP park. Oh man, as a theory I am totally in-love with that - however I just don't think it's true. I think the rough/intensity of Legend and Voyage is something that the park specifically asked for, and is just a design trait of Gravity Group (and CGI before them). >> I immediately wished that GCI had built Legend instead of CCI. < > > They might have steered clear of such a project, or would have > charged so much as to make the construction unfeasible. Well, you get what you pay for! > It's a troublesome problem: if the train rides on sturdy track on > top of a steel frame, maintenance is reduced. But what then gets > damaged is the rider. If the track is sturdy but the structure is > allowed to sway, the rider is comfortable but the structure needs > TLC. Maybe what's needed is a steel structure with shock absorbers > to take the punishing forces. What about shock absorbers on the trains? Does anyone know if the PTCs or Millennium Flyers have any type of dampening? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 11:57:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96751 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 18:57:10 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k49ItwjG019826 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:55:58 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 9 May 2006 13:55:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1147002140.184.28151.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66A3AAD7-AC7A-4695-BB9F-CE9B2E8FBAD8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:55:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 18:55:58.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[354B6850:01C6739A] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=9M895ZLysWLx-m0mAG2MoNx12VpU6kXVOerNtdDOh1sn0dut X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nate, >>> Now I might be showing my age here, but my real concern is that it >>> might just be too much. I always felt that Legend is a little too >>> lateral-heavy (gets a little annoying), and it really doesn't >>> need to >>> be. > > That's my concern too, but I don't think the Voyage looks nearly as > intense lateral-wise as something like the Legend. I came to the same conclusion from watching the videos, but after reading so many reviews I'm not too sure. Still, it's a moot point anyway since Holiwood Nights will be so packed that marathoning will be impossible anyway. Still I'm more happy to park my little butt on Raven, it's still the coaster that I feel has the best mix of elements, pacing, speed, and overall intensity. (Note: I've yet to ride Voyage, obviously..) >>> When I rode Thunderhead (my first GCI), I immediately wished that >>> GCI had built Legend instead of CCI. > > I'm interested to ride Kentucky Rumbler because I have yet to ride a > GCI that I've found particularly forceful. I rode Thunderhead, Wildcat and Lightning Racer in 2004 - they have been my only GCI's so far. I didn't find any of them to have stand- out strong forces, but I really liked the packages as a whole. Just really, really fun .. and not exhausting. My preference is that long rides not be too intense, as it just gets to be too much (Legend). Conversely I love intensity in small bursts (Raven, Avalanche, the Batmen, etc). For longer rides I prefer the forces to be toned down a bit .. I really think Thunderhead got it oh so right. > For example, I noticed a few people on Coasterbuzz talking about one > pretty violent bump on the Voyage before the third 90* banked turn. I've heard the same comments, although on a different board. > Paula Werne (the park's PR director) logs on to say that they're > working on that this week. wow .. that's totally kickass! This one element is one about which I'm most concerned.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Need more * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Ice-cream! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From thunder7nyfl@netscape.net Tue May 09 14:46:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@netscape.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34026 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 21:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 21:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 21:46:27 -0000 Received: from thunder7nyfl@netscape.net by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.1b5.125609a9 (22683) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblkn-m13 (mblkn-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.170.131]) by air-in04.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILININ44-589b44610da116f; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:46:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:46:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8C841C92AFFA32F-2898-AEE@mblkn-m13.sysops.aol.com> References: Received: from 70.127.131.245 by mblkn-m13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 May 2006 17:46:31 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 17673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.131 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@netscape.net Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags reports 1st Quarter Losses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=267964157; y=nSJwos6dUfZFpAtSnH_a6CSJe6nZylDAPTuPkaJEH_jkrs8mPHu5 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl This appears courtesy of the Washington Post (WashingtonPost.com) Interesting how two news people can get different figures.... Six Flags' Loss Widens on Lower Attendance, Higher Costs Tuesday, May 9, 2006; Page D04 Six Flags Inc., the theme park company controlled by Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, reported wider first-quarter losses of $241 million ($2.63 per share), compared with $178.7 million ($1.98) in the corresponding period a year earlier. Revenue fell 14 percent, to $42.7 million. Attendance during the first quarter -- which typically represents a small fraction of the company's full-year performance -- was down to 1.15 million from 1.5 million. At the same time, costs rose due to expenses related to the management change, stock-based compensation, and additional staffing and services; however, in-park spending rose 13 percent. The company, which recently signed a contract to sell AstroWorld in Houston for $77 million, may sell more parks after summer to pay down its more than $2 billion debt, chief executive Mark Shapiro said yesterday during an analyst call. Separately, Six Flags announced a sponsorship deal with Home Depot Inc., which will become the company's exclusive provider of building materials. Six Flags tickets will also be sold at Home Depot stores. Shares rose 36 cents, to $9.32. ------Original Message----- From: jay_ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:20:16 -0000 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses Tuesday, May 09, 2006 By WILLIAM FREEBAIRN wfreebairn@repub.com Six Flags Inc. reported a growing loss it attributed to the timing of the Easter holiday and other factors. The company reported a first-quarter loss to common shareholders of $246.5 million, or $2.63 per share, after markets closed yesterday. That compared to a 2005 first quarter loss of $159 million, or $1.69 per share. The company said the bulk of the loss this year was due to non-cash costs and items not directly involved in operations. Six Flags, which owns Six Flags New England in Agawam, said revenue declined 14 percent from $49.5 million last year to $42.7 million this year. Attendance was down, but per capita spending by park-goers was up, the firm said. Last year's first quarter included the Easter holiday period, which fell in April this year, the firm said. There were 10 percent more operating days in last year's first quarter, the company said. "The first-quarter results are quite encouraging with respect to our strategy to drive per capita revenue growth," said Six Flags' new president, Mark Shapiro, in a statement. The company also announced it has reached an agreement to sell Astro World, its 104-acre park in Houston, for $77 million. The property has been cleared of all buildings, rides and structures for the sale. The company's New Orleans amusement park will remain closed for the 2006 season, the company said. 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Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue May 09 14:59:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92625 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 21:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 21:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.77) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 21:59:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 21:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2006 21:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:59:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=HLcf7GCuT5H8-ASNXzEY9oCvJmg9K2zJ55indVgCIVUyKz9D9l65 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Catching up on an old topic here, the question was asked about first=20 coasters that were particularly large and extreme. I just got back=20 yesterday from my honeymoon in Maui (it was great), and on the flight=20 from Honolulu to Maui, we chatted with another passenger who was a=20 local island girl. She said that just recently she had made the first=20 trip of her life to the mainland, and it was to Los Angeles, and she=20 enjoyed her trip to SFMM (no, I didn't grill her about the customer=20 service or maintenance). Now keep in mind that living on the islands,=20 she'd never seen anything bigger than a kiddie coaster at a traveling=20 carnival. But she took on Goliath and X in her first visit to an=20 amusement park. She said she screamed a lot, but she had a lot of fun! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue May 09 16:03:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44926 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 23:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 23:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 23:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 51085 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 23:02:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060509230245.51083.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.236.42] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:02:45 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147176046.204.23204.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jrMSlMD3vFr2lsXVBA1RtjwIOEWfPCih5hY71DgcKrJ2wSRVjC2m X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just caught the video of El Toro. It looks like a shorter version of Voy= age. SFGA is also a lot closer to me than HW -- and free with my SF pass. = So maybe that will be my destination this summer.... Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue May 09 18:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76014 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 01:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 01:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 01:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 01:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 01:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 01:47:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:47:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=jWW2tzrw6SzEaOerTRQAxS2DLJH2wwBaOx_XWUIaP0ooZFyYT_3p X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck I can't believe nobody has posted about this yet. CP has begun=20 construction on their new ride next year already. A whole bunch of=20 land has been cleared in the back of the park and tons of footers=20 already constructed. And in a clearing by the breakers express theres=20 a crane and some red Intamin track hidden under some tarps.=20=20 Went there today for a few hours and rode the train around to get a=20 good view of the construction. They apear to be draining the water=20 from the lake around where WWL used to be. Did not ride skyhawk so=20 don't ask. We'll probably get on it this weekend, but I'm sure=20 someone else will beat me to the review.=20=20 AFLAC!!! -Brian F.=20 From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue May 09 19:38:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2527 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 02:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 02:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 02:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 02:37:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:37:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=lJkQtDLgeqnX2MKCP--_rM99n1lY-pDBY7cgSLTtrAM0WH7ZXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = =20 wrote: > > I can't believe nobody has posted about this yet. CP has begun=20 > construction on their new ride next year already. A whole bunch of=20 > land has been cleared in the back of the park and tons of footers=20 > already constructed. And in a clearing by the breakers express theres=20 > a crane and some red Intamin track hidden under some tarps.=20=20 Thanks for making me go to COASTERBUZZ to check out the rumors this weekend= Brian! Anyways, I'm surprised no one has posted on the list yet either. As a lurker, I knew it wasn't my responsibility to post anything relevant a= nd=20 groundbreaking such as this. Anyways, I'm excited to come up and check it out (since I prob. won't be ab= le to ride MF!=20 jk) >=20 > Went there today for a few hours and rode the train around to get a=20 > good view of the construction. They apear to be draining the water=20 > from the lake around where WWL used to be. Did not ride skyhawk so=20 > don't ask. We'll probably get on it this weekend, but I'm sure=20 > someone else will beat me to the review.=20=20 >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. > I'm hoping you saved some film for the passes and didn't waiste them all on= concrete=20 footers! TOOL! jk jeremy D. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 21:02:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83576 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ADB92C6 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:00:57 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A54DD2B-5B2A-4DD3-A851-E482209FE261@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:00:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=vhpGbKRKMW7mBsNYCQGKNVfuU0UDIM-T_0VtqwTNzMILf8_i X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Is the station, pumps and splash-down for White Water Landing still standing, or has it been demolished? I just assumed they were going to build a new log ride there. Is the red track really for something new, or is it dragster stuff? Note I'm really not all that interested in Cedar Point, so I don't follow the news. Sorry if my questions have long ago been answered! :) Cameron. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 09 21:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63960 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 04:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 04:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 04:04:10 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (223-22.theramp.net [64.254.223.22]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587E792C6 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:04:08 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DDA6CBB-8726-4D6B-A670-74D61ED9F2D4@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:04:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=zbdGHIC9EqBhF_JcBsYzyovkyYpURmLKjLoI_m2w0ragmHM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Anyways, I'm surprised no one has posted on the list yet either. As > a lurker, I knew it wasn't my responsibility to post anything > relevant and groundbreaking such as this. Oh no-one should feel like they can't post stuff here. Even if you post something that is totally old-news this list is pretty much flame-free, so it's all good. Also, Voyage has temporarily over-shadowed everything else anyway .. so it's easy to overlook stuff, even Cedar Point news! Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 10 02:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94945 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 09:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 09:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 09:10:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 09:10:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:10:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GytpO5s35NoD40mNLiDt9-6ixF9XLXeHmPlsCTP4U2UU7WcHtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > The worst additions are, IMO, El Toro and Tatsu. SFGAdv should have concentrated on building a resort, > which would have gotten people to stay more than one day. SFMM should > have put in something for the family.=20 > -Nate Remember, these coasters were bought and paid for under the old regime.=20 However, I agree with you about 6FGAdv's need for a park hotel. The nearest hotel is what 6 or 8 miles away? That's a no-brainer that no 6F management team has noticed! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 10 02:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35842 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 09:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 09:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 09:37:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 09:37:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 09:37:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:37:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=OG9hL147cx5yaDa7DDOFwWeUovWaPu83sdzWmvB0rCxN5JkJ0w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well if noone else is going to do it, let me be the first here:=20 Congratulations!=20 Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > Catching up on an old topic here, the question was asked about first=20 > coasters that were particularly large and extreme. I just got back=20 > yesterday from my honeymoon in Maui (it was great), and on the flight=20 > from Honolulu to Maui, we chatted with another passenger who was a=20 > local island girl. She said that just recently she had made the first=20 > trip of her life to the mainland, and it was to Los Angeles, and she=20 > enjoyed her trip to SFMM (no, I didn't grill her about the customer=20 > service or maintenance). Now keep in mind that living on the islands,=20 > she'd never seen anything bigger than a kiddie coaster at a traveling=20 > carnival. But she took on Goliath and X in her first visit to an=20 > amusement park. She said she screamed a lot, but she had a lot of fun! >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed May 10 04:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45661 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 11:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 11:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 11:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 11:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 11:26:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 11:26:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:26:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6DDA6CBB-8726-4D6B-A670-74D61ED9F2D4@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=JfSFdNu5RXy4jnw_QXDC565bYCnoMcXXdBP1YD9gC89vHIdttg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > Anyways, I'm surprised no one has posted on the list yet either. As = =20 > > a lurker, I knew it wasn't my responsibility to post anything=20=20 > > relevant and groundbreaking such as this. >=20 > Oh no-one should feel like they can't post stuff here. Even if you=20=20 > post something that is totally old-news this list is pretty much=20=20 > flame-free, so it's all good. >=20 > Also, Voyage has temporarily over-shadowed everything else anyway ..=20=20 > so it's easy to overlook stuff, even Cedar Point news! Voyage is def. overshadowing all of the coaster world for me! I'm going to CP this weekend and am already wishing it was memorial day wee= kend!!!! >=20 > Cameron. > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 10 06:58:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3344 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 13:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 13:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.196) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 13:58:45 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 12so169517nzp for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.251.15 with SMTP id y15mr377289qbh; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:58:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6DDA6CBB-8726-4D6B-A670-74D61ED9F2D4@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ak_5oBzfx942_cnLyB1jd2b0ao_0t7bkjZgwIEoS_VK0Xo-tMM2G5P4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 On 5/10/06, djbosshogg wrote: > Voyage is def. overshadowing all of the coaster world for me! > I'm going to CP this weekend and am already wishing it was memorial > day weekend!!!! So does this mean you're coming to Holiwood Nights for sure now? Last I heard, you were still just considering. :-) -Nate (can't wait) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 10 07:07:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30185 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 14:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 14:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.194) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 14:07:29 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 9so1685530nzo for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.203.15 with SMTP id a15mr385486qbg; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:06:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <66A3AAD7-AC7A-4695-BB9F-CE9B2E8FBAD8@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147002140.184.28151.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060508230106.78733.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66A3AAD7-AC7A-4695-BB9F-CE9B2E8FBAD8@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=89zNzH_VWVxE9x_qy92c-xUekw_Cxpkn309Aecv0gyCCwopqPoxIvA0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Still, it's a moot point > anyway since Holiwood Nights will be so packed that marathoning will > be impossible anyway. I guess it depends on what you consider "marathoning." With Legend and Raven running two trains and the Voyage running three, we're looking at a capacity of somewhere around 4000pph. I don't think getting re-rides in this year will be a problem. > My preference is that long > rides not be too intense, as it just gets to be too much (Legend). > Conversely I love intensity in small bursts (Raven, Avalanche, the > Batmen, etc). For longer rides I prefer the forces to be toned down a > bit .. I really think Thunderhead got it oh so right. I like really intense rides, but I think the Legend is just too exhausting to marathon. S:ROS at SFNE is long and intense throughout, but it's not nearly what the Legend is. But I love all three of the rides you listed (Raven, Avalanche, Batman). I'm really interested in how re-rideable the Voyage will be, and whether the majority of HW Nights attendees will stay over there all night or not. > > I just caught the video of El Toro. It looks like a shorter version of= Voyage. > > SFGA is also a lot closer to me than HW -- and free with my SF pass. S= o > > maybe that will be my destination this summer.... Are you talking about an actual POV or just the promo rendering? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 10 07:11:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5171 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 14:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 14:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 14:11:05 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so1726871nzf for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.186.16 with SMTP id n16mr391893qbp; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:11:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LUnxmaQ3tKQ7EvpdW2bnDfaf-ZmkPp7nf9q8JLvE-QWl1NBYq01Vz24 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > The worst additions are, IMO, El Toro and Tatsu. > Remember, these coasters were bought and paid for under the old regime. Oh, I know that. It doesn't change my opinion about them being bad decisio= ns. > However, I agree with you about 6FGAdv's need for a park hotel. The > nearest hotel is what 6 or 8 miles away? That's a no-brainer that no > 6F management team has noticed! They've noticed, but it's apparently been put on hold. They could really learn a lot from Cedar Point here. More than anything else, SFGAdv would benefit from a resort - and I'm talking about something with meeting facilities, a golf course, an indoor waterpark, restaurants, etc. Turn SFGAdv into a destination rather than a day trip and they'll see the results. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed May 10 08:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95100 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 15:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 15:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 15:41:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 15:40:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:40:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=yFTv_v_zkBESdB8f_WBMgmHbz0bOJgQGMz-66Zc0OBXWbE1IiOVx X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > Well if noone else is going to do it, let me be the first here:=20 >=20 > Congratulations!=20 Heh heh, thanks. I just slipped that in there real nonchalant-like,=20 right? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed May 10 09:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98934 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 16:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 16:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-54.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 16:52:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 23104 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2006 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from gengar-14.dynamic.rpi.edu ([128.113.146.183]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FdrvS-0007zk-7m for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:52:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:56:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 128.113.146.183 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=JXYh7zKQjzBv4jH8rWBwJwspIILgggZm42Cd4JYtRK4ixVSQOJPE X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> The worst additions are, IMO, El Toro and Tatsu. > >> Remember, these coasters were bought and paid for under the old >> regime. > > Oh, I know that. It doesn't change my opinion about them being bad > decisions. I sort of agree. I think Tatsu was the worser addition, since it ruins the park's appearance way more. El Toro doesn't help though either... looking across the lake was bad enough with Kingda Ka sticking up 300 feet higher than rolling thunder, now theres just a huge ass wooden coaster, and the whole thing looks like a scene from RCT. But my biggest complaint about El Toro is it looked like they were going to block off the path between the Rolling Thunder and Medusa area, which would totally kill traffic back by the Medusa area. They had the bridge blocked off last season while they were taking down Viper, and for the most part Medusa was a maximum 15 minute line. Good for me, bad for the park. I'm still not entirely sure if they're opening it, but I'd imagine they're not completely stupid. >> However, I agree with you about 6FGAdv's need for a park hotel. The >> nearest hotel is what 6 or 8 miles away? That's a no-brainer that no >> 6F management team has noticed! > > They've noticed, but it's apparently been put on hold. They could > really learn a lot from Cedar Point here. More than anything else, > SFGAdv would benefit from a resort - and I'm talking about something > with meeting facilities, a golf course, an indoor waterpark, > restaurants, etc. Turn SFGAdv into a destination rather than a day > trip and they'll see the results. I know SFGAd has a lot of land, but I'm not sure if they have enough for the golf course, without cutting into the safari at least... though I'm sure they can buy some of the surrounding land, since there's not really anything there. I think what would really help also is if they made the Safari more of a San Diego Wild Animal Park sort of thing, instead of a drive through attraction that takes 45 minutes that you don't spend any money on other than the admission price. It would definitely lengthen the stay power of the three parks... and maybe have one of the Animal Kingdom style lodges that is right on the border of an animal exhibit. Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:00:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66432 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:00:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 16:59:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 16:59:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 16:59:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:59:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060505140708.59124.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ngHucJqBYIRB3svOm_PURj_jrNuxon4FpCh7YmglAk8FOzs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash It's been a crazy week, so I feel like I'm way behind on some of these. :) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > --- George Burnash wrote: > > Honestly, I know that > > usually I'm one that hates over-hype and especially > > from people that > > haven't been on the ride, but from what I can see, > > if you don't think > > this coaster isn't one of the best out there right > > now- and that's as > > it's still breaking in- then I'm liable to think > > you're a bit nuts.=20 > > (but then aren't we all) >=20 > Realize George, by basing your opinion that The Voyage > will rock solely on your viewing of the on-ride video, > you lose all right to dismiss those who say a ride > sucks based solely on on-ride videos. >=20 > If a positive opinion can be created from a vid, so > can a negative opinion. I dont want to see you say to > anyone "You have to ride it first before you can say > it sucks". =3D] Hehe, ok, lets see if I can talk my way out of my foot in my mouth, or if I end up cramming it further down. :) For the vast majority of coasters out there I would agree with you.=20 You can't make an accurate opinion based on video. However, there are some on the extreme end, positive and negative, that you MAY be able to. I think that Voyage may be one of those.=20=20 From the videos, particularly the reverse view one, you can see the loads of airtime, the lats, and how rough/smooth it is. You get a great feel for the speed, and the overall feel of the ride. And that is coupled with numerous overwhelmingly positive TR's that say the video doesn't do the ride justice. It is, in all honesty, one of the very few coaster videos that took my breath away- and for more than just a one trick deal. I hope that y'all know me well enough to know that I'm usually a very loud proponent of the "you have to ride it and experience it before you should talk positive or negative about it" school of thought.=20 Which should hint as to how much this stands out. But don't worry Jay. Even if you disagree, I won't think you're certifiable. Just a bit out of whack. :P (JK with you) > lata, jeremy > --who still has not watched the vids. So have you watched them yet? If not, you should. Especially the reverse view. That's the one that made me a believer. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76898 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:02:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:02:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: more Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=_DswhphSYEItGDTQgMqOyMciZzv1XPkLXojl9QFPA5PoWlI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > > > If you haven't seen them yet, get yourself over to the new videos of > > > Voyage that Holiday World has posted, and get there now!! > > >=20 > > > http://www.holidayworld.com/voyage_video.html >=20 > Did they coach the riders to keep their hands down? It just looks > unnatural. Although as out of control as it looks, if those folks were > noobs, they might not have WANTED to let go! >=20 I'm sure that they were expressly told to keep their hands down for the videos. There are photos done later on during media day that show riders with their hands up, but those aren't "park official" photos.=20 It's a pretty standard deal when you're filming for a park or media- no hands up or the footage can't be used. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 10 10:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87688 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:06:34 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 55so164259wri for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.150.20 with SMTP id x20mr583933qbd; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:06:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=A8GjVFFrPPTLewICimA5G0Tf3EjIXHnMXEy3b9gWBejku1YgGKCxvXs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I sort of agree. I think Tatsu was the worser addition, since it > ruins the park's appearance way more. El Toro doesn't help though > either... looking across the lake was bad enough with Kingda Ka > sticking up 300 feet higher than rolling thunder, now theres just a > huge ass wooden coaster, and the whole thing looks like a scene from > RCT. Who cares about appearance? :-) I was speaking (or at least attempting to speak) from a strictly business standpoint. I think both Tatsu and El Toro look amazing, and I'm sure they'll be good rides. But business-wise, they don't make much sense. > I know SFGAd has a lot of land, but I'm not sure if they have enough > for the golf course, without cutting into the safari at least... SFGAdv owns a whopping 2200 acres. Less than 600 of those are being used by the theme park, safari, and waterpark. There's plenty of room to turn the place into a resort. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:10:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48790 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:09:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:09:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:09:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lV4mb6YMmeZVTpahsd5Ns4XV6dY2VMSnFVfkqEw6BKKFHac X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > > Six Flags reports 1st quarter losses > Tuesday, May 09, 2006 > By WILLIAM FREEBAIRN > wfreebairn@... >=20 > Six Flags Inc. reported a growing loss it attributed to the timing of > the Easter holiday and other factors. Well, one thing that hasn't changed- they've always got an excuse that doesn't have anything to do with the company itself. Weather, timing of the holiday, etc... :) > Attendance was down, but per capita spending by park-goers was > up, the firm said. I have a feeling that is going to be the story of the year for the chain- lowered attendance but better per caps. Now can they turn a profit that way? > The company also announced it has reached an agreement to sell Astro > World, its 104-acre park in Houston, for $77 million. The property has > been cleared of all buildings, rides and structures for the sale. Isn't that about half of the price they wanted for it? I was sure they were wanting a heck of a lot more money for the property. Sad. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:34:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47346 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:34:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:34:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=YLdeEIjRs_AU9tBZrP50Ki5eEIjhAyxsjMJnNsitXzg8AVg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" =20 > wrote: > > > > I can't believe nobody has posted about this yet. CP has begun=20 > > construction on their new ride next year already. A whole bunch of=20 > > land has been cleared in the back of the park and tons of footers=20 > > already constructed. And in a clearing by the breakers express theres=20 > > a crane and some red Intamin track hidden under some tarps.=20 Is it Intamin for sure? Looks like it could also be Gerstlaur or Mauer-Sohne (sic) to me...=20=20 On a side note though, most of the online speculation has it tagged as either an Intamin Aqua Trax or their version of the 4d. Or maybe one of each, depending on who you listen to. =20 >=20 > Thanks for making me go to COASTERBUZZ to check out the rumors this weekend Brian! > Anyways, I'm surprised no one has posted on the list yet either. > As a lurker, I knew it wasn't my responsibility to post anything relevant and=20 > groundbreaking such as this. LOL. specially when we're still waiting for the rest of your TR's to crop up! Whatever happened to those? :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87493 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:39:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:39:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=B_Plr78RjcaXYiggN10PtyKD8yGQVM9YWTlkPe9V60zrJoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > I guess it depends on what you consider "marathoning." With Legend > and Raven running two trains and the Voyage running three, we're > looking at a capacity of somewhere around 4000pph. I don't think > getting re-rides in this year will be a problem. I'm with you. Even if they get crowds like they did at the last couple of SRM's, you're not going to have much of a wait for the coasters. They have more than enough capacity now. > I'm really interested in > how re-rideable the Voyage will be, and whether the majority of HW > Nights attendees will stay over there all night or not. Well, if their media day is any indication, it shouldn't be to hard to marathon. I've read from several people that were getting in 50 rides or more on that day. That would seem to indicate to me that's it's not to difficult to marathon on, at least in some regard. >=20 > > > I just caught the video of El Toro. It looks like a shorter version of Voyage. > > > SFGA is also a lot closer to me than HW -- and free with my SF pass. So > > > maybe that will be my destination this summer.... >=20 > Are you talking about an actual POV or just the promo rendering? I would guess that it has to be the computer rendering. Far as I know the track isn't complete yet, which would make it a bit difficult to get POV footage of it. :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 10 10:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40966 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:41:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:41:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 17:41:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=m_VvxA7WBCoEkXdwXiP3DkkaQTKx5CaosZyVY2TA5GHdO1w X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: > > > > Well if noone else is going to do it, let me be the first here:=20 > >=20 > > Congratulations!=20 >=20 > Heh heh, thanks. I just slipped that in there real nonchalant-like,=20 > right? I'll follow up with a belated congratulations myself. So did you tell us about this before you left? Or did I just totally miss it in my oblivion lately? keep on ridin' George (who is moving in 2.5 weeks. ahhhhh) From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 10 11:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73574 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 18:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 18:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 18:07:21 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4AI5s5l002871 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:05:54 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:05:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <510957BD-9C43-4A0C-8BDE-EEB8CE2E2408@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:05:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 18:05:54.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[61593F90:01C6745C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: more Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JDfeo-T731qtHpQ57o65LpkST8UOtCOKccsDJf81414ckmRD X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I'm sure that they were expressly told to keep their hands down for > the videos. How times have changed .. Holiday World used to be all about the hands up. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed May 10 11:29:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61333 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 18:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 18:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 18:29:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:29:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:29:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: [OT] wedding, was: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=MgzoAMflUofj5rAk8IdExyIy3RF_6c02xms0oa8HVCLUKcXZ1Wym X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "George Burnash"=20 wrote: > I'll follow up with a belated congratulations myself. So did you=20 tell > us about this before you left? Or did I just totally miss it in my > oblivion lately? I think when I noted that I would be visiting Indiana (let's hope we=20 get to visit Holiday World and/or Indiana Beach!) this summer, I=20 mentioned that it would be with my then-to-be wife. Mostly I've kept=20 quiet about it in public forums on the web... doing all the planning=20 for it was hectic enough without dragging other people into it. Even=20 on my personal blog, I didn't let the cat out of the bag until just=20 a couple of days before the big date. Everything went well, even though we were still printing up the=20 programs the morning of the day of the wedding. We had the ceremony=20 and reception at the Aquarium of the Pacific in Long Beach, and=20 people (about 130 of them, which I guess is about average for a=20 wedding but it seemed like a lot to us) thought that was a pretty=20 nifty place for a wedding, and they liked the music we chose, the=20 vows we wrote, the food and cake, the flowers, the favors, etc. Jen=20 looked spectacular in her wedding gown, which I hadn't seen before=20 the event. The wedding was mostly a blur to Jen and me; it seemed=20 like five solid hours of posing for pictures, but everybody had a=20 good time. Honeymoon photos from Maui should be up on my blog within a couple=20 of days. We have the wedding photos, but there are so many to go=20 through that I'll probably just post a select few. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 11:45:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32081 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 18:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 18:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 18:38:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:38:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:38:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JnH_8SeLqj_zT8gAmtL_7M6eUhQZEtS8S0kR-j8OtqMloeg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg"=20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 =20 > wrote: > > I can't believe nobody has posted about this yet. Okay Okay! I know I've been slacking on my NEWS posting as of late, but=20 I've been REALLY busy! :p -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 11:55:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45001 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 18:54:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:53:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:53:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:53:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: [OT] wedding, was: Re: can you remember your first coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DGcoTE80HUvKbuFMLPirwX9o97vwoacBz2YkByyCFp6w9m0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Congrats! I'll borrow a little something from George (though modified): Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with Marrige it's one thrill ride you'll never want to end - hopefully. ;) -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:10:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24441 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:00:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:58:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:58:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 18:58:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:58:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sRd1y36QoAFH9p7nNrk9iry1zYVQWAtvFZVncfryob_zJ20 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > SNIP> > I know SFGAd has a lot of land, but I'm not sure if they have enough=20=20 > for the golf course, without cutting into the safari at least...=20=20 > though I'm sure they can buy some of the surrounding land, since=20=20 > there's not really anything there.=20=20 =20 > Mike Well, with a good plan and 40 acres, they can do a decent first 9. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:12:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85483 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:12:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:11:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:11:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme parks, TV boost profit at Disney 12% in second quarter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QGd5-GEq0MzATEB8M_S7DcRBSXi_jqRVlw_j_KqfZc6MH8s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May. 10, 2006 Los Angeles Daily News The Mercury News http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14543706.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dmercurynews_business By Greg Hernandez BURBANK, CA - On the strength of its TV and theme-park businesses,=20 Walt Disney reported Tuesday that its fiscal 2nd-quarter profit=20 increased by 12% compared with a year ago. Despite decreases in profit for its movie and consumer products=20 divisions, Disney's net income was an encouraging $733 million, or 37=20 cents a share, compared with $657 million, or 31 cents a share, for=20 the 2005 2nd quarter. "I am confident we are on the right strategic=20 course," Disney CEO Robert Iger said during a conference call with=20 analysts after the markets closed. Overall revenue for the quarter=20 grew to $8.03 billion, compared with $7.83 billion during the same=20 quarter a year ago. David Miller, managing director and media analyst with Sanders Morris=20 Harris in Los Angeles, said Disney's performance was in line with his=20 firm's projections. "There was weakness at the studio but it was=20 expected to be weak," Miller said. "But there were stellar results at=20 the media networks." For the quarter, revenue for Disney's media networks, which include=20 ESPN, ABC Family and others cable channels, increased by 18% to $3.6=20 billion. The once-struggling ABC network is now one of the brightest stars for=20 the media giant with such hit shows as "Desperate=20 Housewives," "Grey's Anatomy" and "Lost," which have enabled the=20 company to branch out into new platforms such as ABC.com and Apple=20 Computer's iTunes with those and other shows. Disney's parks and resorts revenue was up 7% to $2.3 billion during=20 the 2nd quarter. The Disneyland Resort in Anaheim benefited from the 50th anniversary=20 celebration of the DL theme park, with attendance up by 15% compared=20 with the 2005 2nd quarter. Hotel occupancy at the resort, which also=20 includes 2nd theme park Disney's California Adventure, improved by=20 9%. The Disney World Resort in Orlando, Fl., saw park attendance=20 increase by 3%. "The increase in gasoline prices does not seem to be=20 impacting our theme-park business ... and we would not expect the see=20 gas have a large effect at our parks this summer," said Disney CFO=20 Thomas Staggs. On the studio entertainment front, the news was not so good as=20 revenue fell by 22% to $1.8 billion. The drop would have been even=20 steeper if not for the money saved by fewer releases by Disney's=20 Miramax Films label, which is no longer run by its founders, Harvey=20 and Bob Weinstein. The box office smash "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch=20 and the Wardrobe" and the solid hit "Eight Below" could not offset a=20 tough comparison with the prior year's 2nd quarter, which was powered=20 by the animated blockbuster "The Incredibles" from Pixar Animated=20 Studios. Pixar has since been purchased by Disney after a more than a=20 decade-old distribution deal. The purchase was finalized last week and Iger said the transition has=20 been a smooth one. --------- =A9 1996-2006 Knight Ridder From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:22:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78564 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:20:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:20:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:20:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Universal selects Velocity Sports & Entertainment as Sales Agency for Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aF3jB77X9yubawPAAmetyUlR-nxbXMUSFDu-CzDRukcIvbM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 8, 2006 Press Release: Universal Studios Hollywood=20 Yahoo! Finance=20 Newswire UNIVERSAL CITY, Ca -- Universal Parks & Resorts (UP&R), a division of=20 NBC-Universal, has selected Velocity Sports & Entertainment, a=20 premier sponsorship and lifestyle marketing agency, as its exclusive=20 corporate partnerships sales agency for the company's theme parks and=20 resort destination. The multi-year agreement, effective immediately, calls for VS&E to=20 leverage UP&R's strength as a global leader in themed entertainment=20 in seeking new sponsorships for Universal Parks & Resorts' properties=20 in Hollywood and Orlando. "Our partnership with VS&E will supplement=20 the efforts of Universal's corporate sponsorship unit in the theme=20 parks and resort area and provide a sharp focus on the tremendous=20 cross-promotional opportunities that our properties have to offer,"=20 said Ron Herman, Senior VP, Partnership Development, UP&R. "We are thrilled to be representing UP&R, the recognized industry=20 leader in providing movie-based experiences enjoyed by the whole=20 family," said Harlan Stone, VS&E Principal. "Universal recognizes=20 that relevant integration into the Universal Theme Park experience is=20 a win-win for their marketing partners as well as the Parks." ----------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78786 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:31:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:30:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:30:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:30:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park rolls out Tatsu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_Z5B8JL-abVOcP3RsjYwAkmfrjLsEM5N6ZlrVcpTt4Z_S38 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/09/2006 The Daily News http://www.dailynews.com/santaclarita/ci_3799495 BY EUGENE TONG VALENCIA, CA -- Its landmark orange tower has stood guard over LA's=20 northern gateway for nearly 35 years, a beacon of fun and commerce=20 for generations of thrill seekers. Roller coasters - including Revolution, the world's first 360-degree=20 loop - can be seen from busy I-5, some of the rides roped with neon=20 light. Though visitors see few traces of Six Flags California's Magic=20 Mountain's 35th anniversary - it's eclipsed by parent Six Flags=20 Inc.'s 45th birthday celebration - the air still buzzed as screaming=20 patrons zipped though any of its 16 white-knuckle coasters. SFMM's 17th roller coaster - Tatsu - underwent state safety=20 inspections Monday, and is scheduled to open Saturday. "It's the=20 place to go for the extravagant thrill rides," said Jack Kyser, chief=20 economist with the LA Economic Development Corp. "It just adds to the=20 entertainment portfolio of Southern California." Roughly 3 million visit the park each year, and it's one of the=20 region's largest employers with more than 3,800 workers - most of=20 them seasonal. This year, under SF's new CEO Robert Shapiro, the park is reinventing=20 itself again into a more family-centered theme park. Besides Tatsu,=20 it is staging daily parades and performances for those who feel a=20 coaster's rightful place is under a cold drink. "It could really help=20 SFMM if it could remind a few of the old-timers that have been around=20 LA County for more than 5-10 years that it wasn't always the park=20 with thrill rides and teenagers," said Robert Niles, editor of=20 ThemeParkInsider.com. "I would like to see what SFMM 2010 is supposed=20 to look like." A theme park on what was once farmland and cattle feed yards was=20 envisioned by San Diego's Sea World. In "A California Legend: The=20 Newhall Land and Farming Company," a 1992 chronicle of Santa Clarita=20 Valley, the late Ruth Newhall described location scouting with park=20 planners, led by county planner and later Newhall Land President=20 James Dickason. "Dickason drove the visitors over paved and unpaved=20 roads, stopped alongside long, level sweeps of onions and carrots and=20 hiked them to hilltops. The visitors in particular liked the low,=20 rolling hills on the west side of the just-building Golden State=20 Freeway." But the marine park couldn't raise the estimated $21 million with the=20 economic doldrums spurred by the Vietnam War. It struck a deal in=20 1969 with Newhall Land - the land owner and developer contributed=20 some $18 million through cash and bonds; SW brought park operation=20 and design expertise and $3 million. "If you get past all the roller=20 coasters, you can really see the similarities (with SW)," Niles=20 said. "It's more of a wandering around and you stumble into things.=20 They have that big observation tower that they had in all the SW=20 parks." Dickason suggested the name "Magic Mountain" - which later turned out=20 to be the name of the San Gabriel Mountains peak that was the=20 epicenter of the 1971 magnitude-6.5 Sylmar Earthquake, according to=20 Newhall. The park broke ground in December 1969 and opened May 29, 1971,=20 Memorial Day weekend, with 33 rides. Tickets were $5 for adults and=20 $4 per child - compared with $59.99 for adults and $29.99 for=20 children today. The park's first year was plagued with ride breakdowns, thin crowds=20 and unfavorable comparisons to Disneyland. Larry Gassin of Irvine,=20 who as a college student worked at a park gift shop for 2 summers in=20 the '70s, recalled a different park. "They had one ride that kept=20 breaking down all the time - these pods take you up in the air - the=20 people going literally had to plan to be stuck there for an hour," he=20 said. Attendance was just over 1 million instead of the 2 million expected.=20 Losses of $3.7 million that year persuaded SW to sell its=20 stake. "Whenever somebody does a theme park, people raise an=20 eyebrow," Kyser said. "People wonder if it's going to be around, and=20 there were questions whether it could compete with the Disney=20 juggernaut. But it seemed to have found its own niche." Newhall Land continued to pour tens of millions into the park over=20 the next decade. Then the VP for recreation, Terry Van Gorder,=20 realized the park needed constant investment in new attractions to=20 sustain the crowds. "The park was bigger," said Gassin, recalling his=20 second summer there in 1973. "They added a children's section with a=20 little kiddie land ... There was a petting zoo." The strategy bore fruit in 1976 with the park's first hit coaster,=20 the Great American Revolution - now simply Revolution - the world's=20 first 360-degree looping coaster. Attendance jumped 50%. The Colossus, listed as the world's largest dual-track wooden=20 coaster, followed in 1978. The next year, Six Flags Corp. of=20 Arlington, Texas, bought the park for more than $51 million.=20 Ownership passed to Time Warner through the 1980s and '90s, and it=20 developed into a thrill-ride park for teenagers and young adults. It=20 is now a part of New York-based Six Flags Inc., a publicly-traded=20 company. Besides new rides, the park also offered generations of teenagers=20 throughout the valley their first summer job, according to Carrie=20 Rogers, city of Santa Clarita's economic development director. "It=20 provides them an opportunity to learn a different level of=20 responsibility," she said. "They get some spending money of their=20 own, then the come back here and spend it at the mall." Gassin even met his wife of nearly 30 years there - they were both=20 working at the same gift shop. "It was like Peyton Place," said=20 Claudia Gassin, who managed a park gift shop for 3 summers. "When=20 they close, it would be a party for the staff and we got to go on the=20 rides. There were some (co-workers) I dated that I probably shouldn't=20 have gone out with, but I met my husband there, so how bad could it=20 be." ---------- =A9 2006 Los Angeles Newspaper Group From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 10 12:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40755 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.198) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:32:41 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s1so1218nze for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr782385qbf; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:32:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=y6AI5R3s-e-2M1WmTWA1oFNJFiN5N8zOiLTxP0HgtN8NI5S9PTndagQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Well, if their media day is any indication, it shouldn't be to hard to > marathon. I've read from several people that were getting in 50 rides > or more on that day. That would seem to indicate to me that's it's > not to difficult to marathon on, at least in some regard. True, but then again, there are people who marathon on the Legend, and I think those people must be crazy. :) [re: El Toro] > I would guess that it has to be the computer rendering. Far as I know > the track isn't complete yet, which would make it a bit difficult to > get POV footage of it. :) That's what I thought, but I'd heard they would be finishing trackwork soon (if it isn't already done already), especially if they're still shooting to open in two weeks. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:41:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8116 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 19:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 19:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 19:41:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2006 19:40:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:40:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: No Molesters in Disney Area, Legislator Asks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=li4exruCpqQvXhT9hoHzy1uyGAvHgnPkC2zLZCYm4t1ai6o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 10, 2006=20 Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me- disneypred10may10,1,908695,full.story?coll=3Dla-news-politics- california&ctrack=3D1&cset=3Dtrue By David Reyes Anahiem, CA -- The state has placed more than 20 high-risk sex=20 offenders on parole in hotels and motels near Disneyland, and in some=20 cases moved them from place to place to avoid registering their=20 addresses, a legislator charged Tuesday. This shows "a total lack of common sense" by top corrections=20 officials, said Assemblyman Rudy Bermudez (D-Norwalk) on Tuesday at=20 an Anaheim news conference. He compared the practice to "putting the=20 fox in charge of the henhouse." He cited a recent investigative KCBS-TV report that allegedly showed=20 parole agents moving sex offenders from one motel to another. "It's a=20 devastating situation," Bermudez said. "When you place high-risk sex=20 offenders where children are, you're almost violating the laws by=20 putting children in harm's way." The Department of Corrections (DOC) denied Tuesday that any=20 parolee "shuffling" took place. Bermudez, who has worked as a parole agent, is sending a letter to=20 the governor requesting that parolees be removed immediately from the=20 DL area. A child abduction and sexual abuse by one of the high-risk sex=20 offenders would have a "devastating effect" on the county's tourism=20 trade, he said. According to the state DOC, 23 high-risk sex offenders are living=20 within 11 miles of the theme park, said Terry Thornton, a corrections=20 spokeswoman. Most are molesters, she said. But their placement is in "full compliance with the law," meaning=20 they're at least half a mile from any school, she said. "Our parole=20 agents work very, very hard to place sex offenders appropriately and=20 safely," she said. "These parolees have served their time, and by=20 law, [those] released from prison are returned to their county of=20 last legal residence." Bermudez and other legislators want stricter limits on where=20 predators on parole can be housed. They are backing an Assembly bill=20 (AB 1015) sponsored by Assembly members Judy Chu (D-Monterey Park)=20 and Todd Spitzer (R-Orange) that would create an independent sex=20 offender management board. A similar bill passed the Legislature last year but was vetoed by the=20 governor. The board is needed, said Spitzer, because parolees are now placed in=20 communities without any coordination among state corrections, county=20 probation, state social services or mental health officials. "I was=20 surprised by the DL-area placements," Spitzer said, "and if this goes=20 back to the governor's office I expect a different result=85. The buck=20 has to stop somewhere with these outrageous placements." Orange County Supervisor Lou Correa expressed surprise at Tuesday's=20 supervisors' meeting to discover that when the DOC notifies local law=20 enforcement about parolees coming into the community, it does not=20 notify probation officials. "I asked our chief probation officer to=20 look into this," Correa said. Bermudez noted that the television report quoted corrections=20 officials as saying the department had placed 47 sex offenders in=20 motels in the DL area. "Now they have reduced it down to 27, and I'm=20 sure today they're packing up more parolees," Bermudez said. DL referred inquiries to the Anaheim Convention and Tourism Bureau. Based on information provided by authorities, Elaine Cali, a=20 convention bureau spokeswoman, said that the sex offenders did not=20 live in the Anaheim resort district but "about 8-10 miles away." "We certainly don't want anyone like this in our area," she said. "We=20 feel that our area is safe and that our police department has a good=20 track record." In February, Bermudez said his office discovered that DOC officials=20 had moved sex offenders from LA into South Gate, Norwalk, Pico Rivera=20 and El Monte. They were "being shuffled" every 4 days from motels to circumvent the=20 registration process, he said. He accused parole administration officials of trying to create a=20 transient lifestyle so sex offenders would not have to register =97 a=20 charge denied by Thornton. "It is absolutely not true that we are=20 moving parolees every 2-3 days. We're not shuffling," she said. She said that 3 of the paroled sex offenders wear global positioning=20 equipment, providing added protection. But Bermudez challenged that claim. "If a child goes down the hallway=20 to get ice in one of the motels, what if he is lured into the=20 parolee's room?" Bermudez said. "The GPS does nothing for protection=20 of that child." Most sex offenders living near DL are not living in Anaheim but in=20 Garden Grove. Police there have counted at least 15 sex offenders in=20 local motels, creating concern for the Police Department, said Lt.=20 Mike Handfield. He said that when officers went to distribute leaflets with the=20 offenders' pictures and descriptions, they discovered that the=20 parolees had been removed. In the past, parolees were given state checks which they would cash=20 to pay the motels, Handfield said. Now, the state checks go directly=20 to the motels, he said. "We've had conversations with motel owners=20 and let them know that they don't have to accept the money," he said. According to an agreement with parole officials and police, paroled=20 sex offenders must be screened to ensure they do not pose a danger to=20 residents, the Garden Grove lieutenant said. "We're hoping that state=20 parole follows through with that agreement," he said. "They have a=20 right to put them in the area, but we're trying to reduce our risk." ---------- Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 10 13:25:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77406 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 20:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 20:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 20:25:45 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4AKPiF4024228 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:25:44 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 May 2006 15:25:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <100C6BDD-3AE9-42AA-86FD-74A84F3A4BCF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:25:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 20:25:44.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA151580:01C6746F] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DqaNqPI7jl9B1KW4sHbOnlG5KpXSTKFfCH2n4ej7Wh3p69Lh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > But don't worry Jay. Even if you disagree, I won't think you're > certifiable. Just a bit out of whack. :P (JK with you) Hey, it is "whacking day" afterall! (Simpsons reference..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed May 10 19:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56458 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 02:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 02:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 02:16:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 02:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 02:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 02:15:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:15:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=qapzgHkZFvjiaJx0zXkSuyyY_Ch0gyxrVxsK-fmNFT542S4ciQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > LOL. specially when we're still waiting for the rest of your TR's to > crop up! Whatever happened to those? :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > didn't think anyone really read the first one. if i ever get a chance, i'll try to do the other ones for you george! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 10 23:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40530 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 06:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 06:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 06:53:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 06:51:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 06:51:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:51:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.10.196 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Voyage Videos- Air and Lats and Speed, Oh My!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=mj5k8M2tjOOyxER7WD2Jaal2ITlbkMktYueGA1yb1vU_Iw_GMw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: >=20 > Are you talking about an actual POV or just the promo rendering? >=20 > -Nate > I do not think that El Toro's circuit is complete yet... Soon though! Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 11 06:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63095 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 13:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 13:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 13:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 13:42:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 13:42:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 13:42:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:42:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: CP's new ride... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=74UdIBOUI0wPli78vi2wrIkPZT2Sc5LEaytBIqrI8wJq2GA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg" wrote: > > > LOL. specially when we're still waiting for the rest of your TR's to > > crop up! Whatever happened to those? :) > >=20 > > keep on ridin' > > George > > >=20 > didn't think anyone really read the first one. > if i ever get a chance, i'll try to do the other ones for you george! > The thing to remember for TR's is that people don't often comment on them- usually because they don't have anything to add to them or discuss. But they're among the most read of the messages. When I check out the online hits that individual messages get, TR's will often dominate the top few posts, unless there's some sort of big news going on. So for everyone that posts a TR and wonders if anyone read it- the answer is an absolute YES! We just don't always reply because we may not have much more to say than, "Great TR, had a lot of fun reading it, thanks." :) keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 11 08:20:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6699 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 15:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 15:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 15:20:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:17:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:17:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:17:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Idlewild & SoakZone Voted Fourth Best Theme Park for Families in the World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J2eXVUg1R7UaL_u0KQNI3_quvVOI0xGoM9uz4Lo4tOLZRRg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 10, 2006 Press Release: Kennywood Entertainment Yahoo! Finance PR Newswire http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060510/nywv002.html?.v=3D1 LIGONIER, Pa. -- In a survey of amusement park enthusiasts, Idlewild=20 & SoakZone theme park took 4th place honors for "best park for=20 families" in the world based on a survey by the National Amusement=20 Park Historical Association Family owned and operated, Idlewild & SoakZone -- the 3rd oldest=20 amusement park in the country and about to kick-off its 129th season - - placed 4th for "best park for families" behind top vote getter Walt=20 Disney World in Lake Buena Vista, FL. "Idlewild was just recognized for the 2nd year in the row as the 2nd=20 best kids park in the world, and we are thrilled and honored to be=20 acknowledged as one of the best parks in the world for families. As a=20 father, I take great pride in the fact that we run a fun and exciting=20 family park that appeals to people of all ages with unique=20 attractions such as Story Book Forest and Mister Rogers' Neighborhood=20 of Make-Believe," said Brandon Leonatti, GM. "In addition, families=20 can bring their own picnic basket at no extra charge. Family fun is=20 what we are all about, and the awards we receive are endorsements=20 which validate the fact that Idlewild is the best place for summer=20 fun for families and kids in western Pennsylvania and throughout the=20 world." --------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 11 08:25:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75596 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 15:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 15:25:13 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:22:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:22:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New amusement park opens in Como Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=S6Kcih-uAqy7QDgX8ViukKtc5xYiVMfm2SL3ihKhlf3V8gI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/05/2006 KSTP-TV 5 http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S16046.html?cat=3D1 Saint Paul, Minnesota -- The amusement park in St. Paul's Como Park=20 will re-open this weekend after a change of ownership and extensive=20 renovations, and already it is receiving enthusiastic reviews. Nearly $4 million in private investment was spent on the renovation,=20 which now includes the Alladin Magic Carpet Ride, the Dragon=20 Rollercoaster and the Sky Glider, which uses pedal power. Jeff Holmes of Como Town says young families are impressed. "They're=20 amazed at the difference," he says. "They were used to the park that=20 had been here 50 years, and all of a sudden new rides, better=20 atmosphere =96 a family atmosphere all the way around." The park is designed for children 1 to 12 y.o., and Holmes says it's=20 obvious they love it. "The parents might be ready to go and the kids=20 are ready to stay, or otherwise the kids are asleep in the stroller =96=20 they knocked themselves out," he says. Tickets are 75 cents, and rides cost between 1 to 4 tickets. A unlimited day-long pass costs $17.95, and Como Town will soon offer=20 season passes. --------- =A92006 KSTP-TV, LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 11 08:32:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10271 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2006 15:31:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:31:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Pep's Point preps for business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eMcciJyvmTg4HsWnRlB04mvfvxMgf2sM_4MPuGs8YuSvsrM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 11, 2006 Hattiesburg American http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060511/NEWS01/605110320/1002 By Reuben Mees & Nikki Davis Maute Hattiesburg, MS -- It's taken almost 9 months and between $75- $100,000 in personal investments, but Pep's Point Water Park is=20 preparing to open Saturday for the first time since Hurricane Katrina. When the storm barreled through the Pine Belt on Aug. 29, it left the=20 small outdoor amusement park in shambles, owner Angie Myers said. "It=20 was devastating. When we drove down, there were big long pieces of=20 red tin everywhere," Myers said. "It was a mess, but we've finally=20 got it back into shape." The park, which has been a staple in the Rawls Springs area for more=20 than 30 years, features a water slide with 350' and 400' plumes built=20 into a hill and a nearly 2-acre lake in addition to miniature golf,=20 paddle boats and other games and activities for children. It also has=20 picnic facilities to attract adults. The hurricane tore sections of the metal roof from the park's main=20 building, downed numerous chinaberry trees and damaged the paint on=20 the water slide, Myers said. She said despite the fact that the park's business slows down=20 considerably after the school year resumes, the hot dry weather=20 following Katrina inspired many people to call. "It was so beautiful=20 out after the hurricane, but we could have worked 3 weeks straight=20 and we still wouldn't have been able to get open," Myers said. While the loss of income from being closed hurt the business, one of=20 the hardest blows was the fact that Myers and her husband, Frank, did=20 not have insurance on the property. "We've basically had to do all=20 this ourselves," she said. JoAnn Pickering of Eastabuchie, a friend of the Myers, said she drove=20 by the property shortly after the hurricane and was concerned about=20 their future. "When we drove by it was horrible," she said. "Tin was=20 everywhere and treetops." But Myers said an influx of relief workers and refuge seekers helped=20 the business rebound in the months since the storm. "That's the one=20 way we earned money," she said. "We were packed full. We had a lot=20 when it first hit, but some moved on down to the Coast or other=20 areas." But Pep's Point, which has had a water slide for the past 27 years,=20 also is facing competition from the $4 million Grand Paradise=20 Waterpark in Collins, which is expected to open in June. But Myers said she feels the smaller rustic flavor at Pep's Point=20 will make it a viable competitor. "It may affect us a little, but=20 overall I think we'll be OK," she said. "The main thing is that=20 people like to bring a picnic or grill out here, and it's a little=20 less expensive here." The cost at Pep's Point is $10 per person using the water slide or $5=20 for people to use only the park and lake. Costs at the Collins park=20 will be $21 for adults, $16 for children, $19 for seniors and $12 for=20 spectators, according the park's Web site. Billy Pickering, the developer of Grand Paradise, said he expects=20 more water parks to open in the state in the coming years as=20 developers realize they are popular and profitable. He said he does not consider his development a competitor with other=20 water parks, including Pep's Point. "They are different type parks,=20 but families can enjoy both and people do visit more than one park,"=20 he said. ------- =A92006 Hattiesburg American From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu May 11 13:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62381 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.204) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 20:39:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2849 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 20:38:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060511203847.2847.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:38:47 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=L1cdkrMKDgXXF70ly21TuB7uS7C8DPnlg1L_ST5wtZM4HU2o X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > It's getting so you spit and hit a Disney park. > Unless each park is *really* special, they're all > going to cut > > into each others' business. > > You must be able to spit pretty far. > > The two closest Disney parks in the world are > Disneyland and > Disneyworld - the two originals, and the two Walt > planned. They're > 2500 miles apart, and they're the most attended > parks in the country. > Clearly they're not cutting into each others' > business. Actually, I think Disneyland and Disney's California Adventure are the two closest parks! (rimshot) But seriously, I get your point =] > > Six Flags tries to be a regional park. It's > *supposed* to be everywhere, so that within the US > there's a > > park within a day's drive of everyone. So in that > sense, they have to make sure there's a uniformity > so > > guests don't say, "Our Six Flags park sucks. > Let's go to Great America instead." Obviously, > though, the > > chain hasn't quite achieved uniformity. > > I think you've got that backward. > > Regional parks are supposed to have regional appeal. > They're supposed > to be catered to the market. They're supposed to be > different from > each other. I dont think I agree with this. I think that the parks *are* to be (mostly) uniform. I think that is the big reason why so many of the parks share common rides (SLCs, B:TRs, etc.). Now if this is the *right* approach or not is moot, but it appears that this is the direction the chain was going. If hypercoasters and megaloopers drives > attendance in one > market, that's what that park should do. If flat > rides and shows > drives attendance in another parket, that's what > that park should do. > Mass producing the same park and scattering it > around the country is a > sure-fire way to kill your business. Riiiight, that's why this was Marriott's idea in the begining. (/end sarcasm) There is no reason why having two identical parks in different parts of the country would effect either park. I know with the internets information gets around more frequently, but growing up in Chicago, I had no knowledge there was another GAm in Cali till I was in highschool and by cousin moved to San Jose. Even then, that didnt change my feelings about *my* GAm. Hell, you cant move downwind of your own fart without running into about 3 Starbucks shop and they sure aint hurting for business. =] > Disney is a destination park. There's no regional > appeal, and because > it draws from around the country, there's no > catering to a specific > market. I'm not sure that's true either. While there may be aspects of Disney that can appeal to all, Disney's marketing is *very* focused on the middle-class, suburban, white-picket-fence, 2.2 kids families. Take a look at their "specials" some time. Almost always, the savings are based on 2Adults and 2kids. Not a regional market, but a very specific market. Walt realized, though, that this country is > large enough to > support more than one destination park, and that > people east of the > Mississippi would go to one while people to the west > of the > Mississippi would go to the other. Yes, they're > essentially exactly > the same, but it has nothing to do with cutting into > or not cutting > into each others' business. It's because people > know what to expect > from Disney, and they want that experience every > time. And why would this not be a good thing for Six Flags as well? You'd think that they want to get the "best practices" from all the parks and clone them all over. Sure, it makes sense to serve crabcakes @ SFA and deep-dish 'za at GAm, but those are just small tweaks. Generally, the parks should be rather uniform. > I don't think Six Flags is trying to be Disney; > anyone with an ounce > of common sense can see that's never going to > happen. What Shapiro is > doing is taking some of the things that work at > Disney - costumed > characters, parades, etc - and applying them to his > regional parks. > Six Flags will never have the rides, nor the > attendance of Disney. > But some of the customer-friendly, family-oriented > things that make > Disney successful will work just as well for Six > Flags. Six Flags wants to be Disney in the sense of being an American (if not worldwise) icon. They want to be percived as a place you *must* go, with the added benefit of being closer/cheaper. Granted, I am an enthusiast (this may be the only time you see that in print so cherish it =]), but I'm like the GP when it comes to recognizing that, in the amusement industry, there is Disney........and everyone else. USF/IOA has positioned itself as a viable alternative to Disney, not quite in the same league, but doing quite well. SIx Flags wants to inch closer, close the gap a bit. So that when that "2.2kid" family starts talking Disney and SF in the same sentence, it doesnt sound like absolute absurdity. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 11 14:24:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97444 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 21:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 21:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 21:23:00 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id q3so313768nzb for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.6 with SMTP id w6mr1898930qbq; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:22:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060511203847.2847.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060511203847.2847.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rIESXFO6nRJcqBMOjja7c2EZKB0f2y9dVyP1S7clAzumzZGHeRd3dOU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I dont think I agree with this. I think that the > parks *are* to be (mostly) uniform. I think that is > the big reason why so many of the parks share common > rides (SLCs, B:TRs, etc.). Now if this is the *right* > approach or not is moot, but it appears that this is > the direction the chain was going. I think that was incidental. Six Flags bought SLC's and Boomerangs because they were cheap products. They bought the B:TR clones because that was a wildly successful ride in Chicago and New Jersey and cloning is cheaper than creating new rides. But aside from those examples, all of the Six Flags parks were very, very different. Some of the themed areas are the same or similar from park to park (for example, Loony Tunes Seaport) but this is again (I'm guessing) more for cost reasons than anything else. Look at other major rides and attractions put into the Six Flags parks, though, and you'll find a lot of differences. Some parks got huge rides with high capacity. Some got family rides with low capacity. Things have to be catered to your market or you're not going to be successful. Nearly all the regional parks do this. Yeah, there are cloned rides (again, for cost reasons) but that's not because uniformity sells. > > Mass producing the same park and scattering it > > around the country is a > > sure-fire way to kill your business. > Riiiight, that's why this was Marriott's idea in the > begining. (/end sarcasm) First of all, I'd like to point out that Marriott did not mass produce their product all over the country. They built two nearly-identical parks some 2500 miles apart. There's a difference between that and building the exact same park in every single city. Second, the Marriott parks were *not* identical. They started out that way, but changed dramatically, even before Marriott sold them. The Chicago park, for instance, got American Eagle while the Santa Clara park did not. > There is no reason why > having two identical parks in different parts of the > country would effect either park. That's not what I claimed. My argument against uniformity was *not* that they would affect each other attendance-wise. My argument was that mass producing identical parks means you're totally ignoring what drives your business in individual markets. No, it does not matter if people find out SFGAm has an exact clone across the country. But yes, it will matter if family rides bring in the crowds in Santa Clara but don't in Chicago. One park's attendance is going to rise dramatically with family rides, and the other's isn't. It's bad business to just add the same things to all of your parks because they work in one, and is EXACTLY why the Six Flags parks did so poorly under Premier leadership. > Hell, you cant move downwind of your own fart without > running into about 3 Starbucks shop and they sure aint > hurting for business. =3D] I think coffee is coffee, but I wouldn't doubt that Starbucks offers different promotions and specials (if not different products) in different parts of the country. > I'm not sure that's true either. While there may be > aspects of Disney that can appeal to all, Disney's > marketing is *very* focused on the middle-class, > suburban, white-picket-fence, 2.2 kids families. That's not a market, it's a target audience. The term "market" (as I was using it) was referring to a specific geographical area. Yes, Disney aims itself at a particular audience. But that audience has nothing to do with location. > And why would this not be a good thing for Six Flags > as well? You'd think that they want to get the "best > practices" from all the parks and clone them all over. Quite simply, the "best practices" at one park aren't going to be the "best practices" at another. Different things drive different markets. > Six Flags wants to be Disney in the sense of being an > American (if not worldwise) icon. They want to be > percived as a place you *must* go, with the added > benefit of being closer/cheaper. Completely agreed. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:40:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98010 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 07:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 07:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 07:40:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 07:40:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2006 07:40:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:40:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.130.124 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=0-1M0yUjt6dXRityZonWybKMQW7JIY_GsFJUvcylezmpEzDzaivT X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > Some parks got huge rides with high capacity. > Some got family rides with low capacity. Things have to be catered > to your market or you're not going to be successful. Nearly all the > regional parks do this. Yeah, there are cloned rides (again, for=20 > cost reasons) but that's not because uniformity sells. One big factor is that most Six Flags parks were not built from the ground up as Six Flags parks; they were built by others and then acquired by SF. So in most cases, Six Flags was working with an existing park and then modifying it, and dealing with a pre-existing market situation. Magic Mountain was built around a big hill and quickly learned that it had to differentiate itself from Knott's and Disneyland, for example. > That's not what I claimed. My argument against uniformity was *not* > that they would affect each other attendance-wise. My argument was > that mass producing identical parks means you're totally ignoring=20 > what drives your business in individual markets. No, it does not=20 > matter if people find out SFGAm has an exact clone across the=20 > country. But yes, it will matter if family rides bring in the=20 > crowds in Santa Clara but don't in Chicago. One park's attendance=20 > is going to rise dramatically with family rides, and the other's=20 > isn't. It's bad business to just add the same things to all of your > parks because they work in one, and is EXACTLY why the Six Flags=20 > parks did so poorly under Premier leadership. Good points. > > And why would this not be a good thing for Six Flags > > as well? You'd think that they want to get the "best > > practices" from all the parks and clone them all over. >=20 > Quite simply, the "best practices" at one park aren't going to be=20 > the "best practices" at another. Different things drive different > markets. Well, to a certain extent, yes, but not completely. Of course, there are going to be differences for different kinds of parks; if we think outside of Six Flags to see a greater contrast between parks, running a beach boardwalk amusement park is going to involve different expectations from running Walt Disney World. Certain things are universal, though. Nobody likes standing in long lines, nobody likes surly employees, nobody likes to see stuff around the parks dirty or in disrepair, nobody likes feeling ripped off, etc. Within the Six Flags chain, different parks are going to be catering to crowds with different amounts of disposal income, different competition for their entertainment dollar, different weather, different expectations of a theme park, etc. But they're all in the business of entertaining people with (to different degrees at the different parks) thrill rides, family rides, water, shows, theming, food, etc. I think the problem with Six Flags management is that when they looked into their tool box every couple of years to see what to do to improve their parks, they were way too in love with the biggest, most expensive tool in the box (a big roller coaster) and didn't do enough smart management of that tool box to be more selective about when to use the right tool for the job instead of going for the big hammer. > Yes, Disney aims itself at a particular audience. But that audience > has nothing to do with location. Again, they're aiming for a national, even global audience of families with kids at all of their parks, but there is a fraction of their crowds that comes locally. Or, speaking more regionally, the selection of attractions at the Asian parks, for example, was based on considerations of what Asian visitors to the U.S. parks liked the most. And California Adventure was, obviously, designed with California in mind (whether it was successful in that is another question). Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 12 09:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10957 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 16:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 16:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.230) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 16:06:50 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i24so387009wra for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.114.10 with SMTP id m10mr2623632qbc; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-eIYQTI6_G1QmaOfmyoEl_uyRccVfm5sjSmJtoeU6KQ1sNbKyJRm3Mc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > One big factor is that most Six Flags parks were not built from the > ground up as Six Flags parks; they were built by others and then > acquired by SF. So in most cases, Six Flags was working with an > existing park and then modifying it, and dealing with a pre-existing > market situation. True, but even the three that were built by Six Flags were not identical. In fact, those three parks were specifically catered to the region with unique theming to their geographical locations. And even after Six Flags started acquiring parks they hadn't built from the ground up, uniformity was obviously not a goal. Sure, their largest three parks got Arrow megaloopers and I discussed the Batman clones in my previous post. But all of those parks remained distinctly different, with different decisions being made with the individual market factors in mind. > Magic Mountain was built around a big hill and > quickly learned that it had to differentiate itself from Knott's and > Disneyland, for example. And that's exactly why parks need to be catered to their market. A Six Flags park without that competition doesn't have to worry about that differentiation. > > Quite simply, the "best practices" at one park aren't going to be > > the "best practices" at another. Different things drive different > > markets. > Well, to a certain extent, yes, but not completely...Nobody likes standin= g in long > lines, nobody likes surly employees, nobody likes to see stuff= around the parks > dirty or in disrepair, nobody likes feeling ripped off,= etc. Well, that's a given. But within those categories, there are differences from market to market. For instance, lines at SFGAm are frequently over an hour, and people find that acceptable. It's a huge park, and it's a busy park, and people are then willing to wait an hour for rides. But having grown up near Valleyfair, I can tell you that there's no way people in that area are willing to wait an hour for rides on a regular basis. The same can be said for prices (in some markets prices can be higher than others, for instance) and many other things. > Within the Six > Flags chain, different parks are going to be catering to crowds with > different amounts of disposal income, different competition for their > entertainment dollar, different weather, different expectations of a > theme park, etc. But they're all in the business of entertaining > people with (to different degrees at the different parks) thrill > rides, family rides, water, shows, theming, food, etc. I don't think anyone is arguing the opposite. Obviously basic amusement park fixtures are going to be present at most (if not all) parks. But let's look at a few Six Flags parks, and the differences should be pretty clear. Six Flags Great Adventure is an enormous park located in the largest market (population-wise) in the country. It has little to no competition. Thrill rides have traditionally driven this market, because the park can afford record-breaking rides, and because they need a big, bold reason to get people to drive to Jackson from Philly and NYC. It was acceptable at to add ten flat rides in one year to this park because park capacity needed some serious fixing. It was also acceptable to add a $25 million ride because costs associated that could be recouped. Six Flags Darien Lake is a small park in a fairly rural area. It primarly draws people from the Buffalo, NY area and has very little competition. But it's not the rides that draw people to this park. Instead, people come to SFDL for the resort (campground & hotel). Outdoor concerts are also a huge hit here. This park doesn't need to add huge rides every year - nor could it ever afford to do so. But summer concerts and the resort aspect of this park keep bringing people in, even without major new attractions. The Great Escape is a small, Six Flags-owned park in a tourist area of upstate New York. There is a small resident population here, but the park's visitors are primarily tourists from NYC visiting the Lake George region. Attendance hovers at around 400,000 people per year, which makes it one of the least attended Six Flags park. The drawing power of this park is its familiy appeal. It was once one of the country's many "storybook" parks, and has retained this charm throughout the years. You don't see huge roller coasters whizzing over crowded pathways here. Instead, you see a lot of storybook characters/displays and the occasional family attraction. New additions are not necessary on a yearly basis here because most of its visitors are out-of-area tourists. On top of that, whey the park does add attractions, family rides work best. Six Flags Fiesta Texas is a combination waterpark and amusement park in the San Antonio area. Its only real competition is from nearby SeaWorld. It's not rides that have traditionally fuelled this park, but world class shows. Indeed, the park has been honored many times for its shows, and the visitors have come to expect this from the park. SFFT needs an occasional thrill or water ride to keep the crowds coming for something new, but the importance of shows here make it quite different from any other SF park. Six Flags Magic Mountin, like SFGAdv, is located in a market with a large population. However, it's also a very competetive market where each park in the market has found its own niche. SFMM has tried to carve out the "thrill park" niche, and thus adds major new thrill rides on a regular basis. This has worked with limited success because the park has alienated the family audience. But the point is that regular, big additions are necessary to keep bringing in crowds. > I think the problem with Six Flags management is that when they looked > into their tool box every couple of years to see what to do to improve > their parks, they were way too in love with the biggest, most > expensive tool in the box (a big roller coaster) and didn't do enough > smart management of that tool box to be more selective about when to > use the right tool for the job instead of going for the big hammer. I agree. Coasters are necessary on a regular basis at some parks. Some parks need the big record breakers. But other parks simply can't support those additions regularly. And on top of that, the former management ignored families, which is a necessary part of the business in *all* markets (though again, it's more important in some markets than others). > > Yes, Disney aims itself at a particular audience. But that audience > > has nothing to do with location. > > Again, they're aiming for a national, even global audience of families > with kids at all of their parks, but there is a fraction of their > crowds that comes locally. Of course there is. But that's not Disney's primary target audience, as evidenced by the massive amounts of on-property resorts. Locals are still going to come, and Disney knows that's extra income to take advantage of (thus we see things like Florida resident discounts). But is that really who Disney is aiming itself at? No. > Or, speaking more regionally, the selection > of attractions at the Asian parks, for example, was based on > considerations of what Asian visitors to the U.S. parks liked the > most. The food was (rightfully), but the rides are essentially the same as at any Disney park. > And California Adventure was, obviously, designed with > California in mind (whether it was successful in that is another > question). Just because they themed that park to California doesn't mean they had Californians in mind when trying to attract crowds. Heck, you could argue they had the *opposite* in mind, because how interested are Californians really going to be in a park that's based on a place they already live? -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 13 14:49:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57951 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 21:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 21:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.68) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 21:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4361 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2006 21:48:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060513214855.4359.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.9.165] by web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 May 2006 14:48:55 PDT Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147521334.319.88043.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=vvSiPXTjhQo4j5weUXf_JGu3N42MH5QjFD9FKqYlbCEwjVzdBOJZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The Great Escape is a small, Six Flags-owned park in a tourist area of upstate New York. There is a small resident population here, but the park's visitors are primarily tourists from NYC visiting the Lake George region. Attendance hovers at around 400,000 people per year, which makes it one of the least attended Six Flags park. The drawing power of this park is its familiy appeal. It was once one of the country's many "storybook" parks, and has retained this charm throughout the years. You don't see huge roller coasters whizzing over crowded pathways here. Instead, you see a lot of storybook characters/displays and the occasional family attraction. New additions are not necessary on a yearly basis here because most of its visitors are out-of-area tourists. On top of that, whey the park does add attractions, family rides work best. < Well, I somewhat agree with this. Great Escape, IMO, has lost most of its = charm over the years thanks to Six Flags. I don't consider yet another Boo= merang coaster a family ride, nor did it fit into the area where it was pla= ced. The park removed the much more family-oriented, historic and charming= Danny the Dragon to install it. Nightmare at Crackaxle Canyon is not a family ride. It's a gigantic ugly m= etal building that they literally moved a mountain to build. They also rem= oved the charming Ghost Town Train, a wonderful family ride. The recent addition of Canyon Blaster, the low-capacity 45-second mine trai= n, was done at the expense of the historic and family-oriented Tornado fun = house. The new Looney Tunes village is probably the most family-oriented t= hing the park has added, but it was done at the expense of a big chunk of t= he historic and family-oriented Storytown area. I know all things must evolve or die. But the park seems to have evolved i= n typical Six Flags style: slopped together without a lot of thought, stock= ed with bargain-bin rides that don't quite fit in. The park's smartest move has been the new lodge. If well-run, it could be = a home run, drawing visitors for longer periods. This year the park is getting another stock steel coaster. It doesn't need= that; it needs to regain its identity. Great Escape used to be my favorit= e park in the northeast. Now it's just another Six Flags property Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2=A2= /min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat May 13 19:15:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67560 invoked from network); 14 May 2006 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2006 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2006 02:15:37 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so557491wra for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.194.17 with SMTP id w17mr822719qbp; Sat, 13 May 2006 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Sat, 13 May 2006 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:15:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060513214855.4359.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147521334.319.88043.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060513214855.4359.qmail@web37415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-5CjXkwT6omux5kOvtyn_TxTbH57RV22b2WVO_KgwfkAjhGnMjMbKPM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Well, I somewhat agree with this. Great Escape, IMO, has lost most of it= s > charm over the years thanks to Six Flags. I don't consider yet another > Boomerang coaster a family ride, nor did it fit into the area where it wa= s placed. Perhaps the Boomerang is not a family ride, but that's beside the point I was making. My point was that family rides have traditionally fuelled attendance at this park. It's pretty obvious that Six Flags came in intending to turn TGE into a thrill park, which simply didn't work for them. After a few years of trying, they went back to catering the park toward families. I do fail to see how the Boomerang doesn't fit into the area it's in, though. Aside from Ghost Town (and now Loony Tunes National Park), TGE's themed areas are loosely themed at best. I think the Boomerang looks great where it is. > The park removed the much more family-oriented, historic and charming Da= nny > the Dragon to install it. Yes, but Danny the Dragon was basically a maintenance nightmare with no availability of spare parts. Plus it was one of *three* train rides at the park. > Nightmare at Crackaxle Canyon is not a family ride. It's a gigantic ugly= metal > building that they literally moved a mountain to build. See my point above about Six Flags. But I still don't agree with your complaints. The only place the Nightmare looks ugly is from the log flume. The queue and the front of the building look fantastic: http://www.ridersmc.com/graphics/2003/28%20great%20escape.jpg > They also removed the charming Ghost Town Train, a wonderful family ride. I agree that this was a poor choice, but it's worth noting that it wasn't removed for the Nightmare. It's also worth noting that it was one of two train rides in the park, which I think they found unnecessary. I can't say I necessarily disagree with that either. > The recent addition of Canyon Blaster, the low-capacity 45-second mine tr= ain, > was done at the expense of the historic and family-oriented Tornado fun h= ouse. Canyon Blaster is not at all low capacity. They've had some problem with the braking system that has gotten in the way of running more than one train all the time, but it's also been unnecessary. It's been a big hit, but capacity has not been a problem. As for the Tornado, well, probably the best thing anyone could say about it was that it was historic. The ride itself sucked, had a dismal capacity, and was not very popular. > The new Looney Tunes village is probably the most family-oriented thing = the > park has added, but it was done at the expense of a big chunk of the hist= oric and > family-oriented Storytown area. Very little of the story town near the river was removed (in fact, I think only the church and the three bears house was taken out). Jungle Land was unfortunately altered, but it had fallen into such disrepair over the years, compounded by the fact that the park essentially couldn't touch that area due to the wetlands, that I don't think it's a big deal. > I know all things must evolve or die. But the park seems to have evolved= in > typical Six Flags style: slopped together without a lot of thought, stock= ed with > bargain-bin rides that don't quite fit in. I wouldn't argue that TGE hasn't lost some of its history. But then again, which park hasn't lost some of its history over time? Change is indeed inevitable. But TGE has hardly been paved over in "typical Six Flags style." Most of Storytown has been completely unchanged. Most of the storybook elements are still there. The petting zoo is still there. Ghost Town just got rehabbed this year. All of the miniature buildings are still standing. The Cinderella's Castle attraction is still functioning. Alice in Wonderland is still there. Nearly everything that made TGE special is still there. The park has done a fine job, IMO, of integrating new attractions with its historic pieces. I don't think Charlie Wood was in any disappointed by what Six Flags had done. > The park's smartest move has been the new lodge. If well-run, it could b= e a > home run, drawing visitors for longer periods. Agreed. From what I hear, it's basically booked for the rest of the summer months. > This year the park is getting another stock steel coaster. It doesn't ne= ed that; it > needs to regain its identity. Great Escape used to be my fa= vorite park in the > northeast. Now it's just another Six Flags property The SLC will come next year, but I think it's understandable why. It's essentially a free ride for the park, and aside from SFFT, there isn't another park in the chain that could have taken it. I don't think this makes it a "typical Six Flags" park, though. I don't believe they're pulling out anything historic to put it in. And not only is it being put in alongside another family attraction from SFAW, it's being put in after several years of focusing on the family. I'm not sure what the park could do to "regain its identity" that wouldn't cause complaints or be a bad business move. I understand that the people who have a connection to TGE are often sad to see things change. But like I said, change is inevitable for any park. I think TGE has (overall) done a great job of changing the necessary things while holding onto the things that make the park special. -Nate From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat May 13 22:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65506 invoked from network); 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2006 05:08:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 05:08:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: TR: Six Flags Great Adventure on Thu May 11, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=mJwyTOsmkPHjRa-gMrLPQF_qN3u2Cn5RdJHcpc3h4We8JaS1ok0 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Hello Everyone, Short and to the point~ Following a business excuse to visit New Jersey, my son and I did Six Flags Great Adventure on Thursday. El Toro is not running yet, and Kingda Ka was down for some maintenance. My first experience on a B&M Flyer with Superman: Ultimate Flight. That was quite satisfying. I was rather impressed with the flying position restraints, although the ride is not overly intense. I will certainly relish a run on Tatsu. I walked on to the front seat of the Great American Scream Machine, learning that it is almost identical to the SFMM Viper, and quite smooth. While I don't fancy these older Arrow OTSRs, I found Scream Machine's slightly better than Viper's. (My favourite for an old Arrow is Dragon Mountain at Marineland.) The Medusa here is a beautiful installation. I have been on the similar ride at Marine World and Magic Mountain. I would say the layout is similar to Scream!, having a curved drop and intertwined corkscrews. I do like the straight drop on Marine World's Medusa, and the Scream! felt very tame to me when I rode it. This one had some delightful airtime around some of the loops, so I rate the Great Adventure Medusa to be my favourite installation. I had to take a run on Batman & Robin, and talked my son onto the Batman track, which he agreed to do "once". While the LIM launch is not as aggressive as Xcelerator, I found the confining launch area with the inside top hat and the unexpected zero-G roll to qualify as a frightening first experience. For first experience, I would rank it more frightening than Xcelerator and less frightening than X. I was coughing with a properly raspy voice for the next half hour. That counts as a "wicked" ride. One thing I did not appreciate is that it is very noisy running. We ordered some pizza nearby and the ride was so noisy that it was hard to communicate with the order takers. I would not appreciate working at that pizza place. We had our longest line for Nitro, all of 15 minutes. I was very impressed with Nitro: agreeable restraints and a very smooth ride. I found the ride quality much more agreeable than Magnum XL200 - which is reasonable considering the manufacturer and the year it was built. I do not like the hard vertical jerks the Magnum has one its returning bunny hills, and its back seat can even be painful for your thigh bones against the restraint. Nitro performed these returning bunny hills magnificently with the much appreciated B&M grace. These are the highlights. We had rain in the forecast with no rain actually occurring. The weather was surprisingly agreeable and the park was very uncrowded. I was also quite impressed with the overall beauty of the park. Everything looked well-maintained, freshly painted, no graffiti anywhere that I noticed, and all of the gardens throughout the park were done beautifully. We didn't experience the "operator enthusiasm" that you get at Cedar Point, but for Six Flags the overall experience was very positive. Andrew From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 14 00:53:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30345 invoked from network); 14 May 2006 07:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2006 07:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2006 07:53:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2006 07:53:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2006 07:53:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:53:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060511203847.2847.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.79.40 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Evokes Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=52eo2xibi9QGcrA2BzrIQNXHdN-elVConjRKzSafJ3EQhleKdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > --- Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > The two closest Disney parks in the world are > > Disneyland and > > Disneyworld - the two originals, and the two Walt > > planned. They're > > 2500 miles apart, and they're the most attended > > parks in the country.=20 Sorry, HKDL and TDL are 'only' 1775 miles apart! ;) Chris B From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 14 16:44:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60369 invoked from network); 14 May 2006 23:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2006 23:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2006 23:44:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 16611 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2006 23:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060514234441.16609.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.238.107] by web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:44:41 PDT Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1147604563.2207.28125.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: GE thoughts (was SF Evokes Disney) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lkGPzHSrFSc9vIf2jl6DqTkbYGFawQxXYFH6xCQhDy9Cc51hWemE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Perhaps the Boomerang is not a family ride, but that's beside the point I was making. My point was that family rides have traditionally fuelled attendance at this park. It's pretty obvious that Six Flags came in intending to turn TGE into a thrill park, which simply didn't work for them. After a few years of trying, they went back to catering the park toward families. < So SF made a mistake early on, and once down that road it was difficult to reverse their course. > I do fail to see how the Boomerang doesn't fit into the area it's in, though. Aside from Ghost Town (and now Loony Tunes National Park), TGE's themed areas are loosely themed at best. < I think what I really loved about the 1990s Great Escape is that it had a sort of funky backyard garage-sale feeling to it. The Steamin' Demon was about as high-tech and thrilling as it got. Everything else felt sort of home-made and quaint. Very little there was pre-fab. Even the Comet's spectacular re-build was done with a home-made touch. It didn't feel "industrial." The new rides came with new signs that IMO didn't fit in with the rest of the park. Yeah, they looked good in a sort of theme-park way. But they seemed out-of-place. The Alpine Bobsled fit well where they put it, but it too somehow seems out-of-place in that park. It's as if the problem is that they never sat down and thought through what they wanted to do with the park. They just started adding rides to boost capacity, whatever rides they could. Yes, Danny the Dragon was a maintenance headache, but I'm sure it was no more of a problem than the Boblsed (which rarely ran in its first few years). And I'm sure it was a lot less costly to maintain. If SF wanted a thrill park, they should have gone all the way and leveled the Storytown structures, Ghost Town, Alice, Jungle Land -- the whole lot. But by hanging on to them they created a dichotomy, a park with a split personality. It's just me, but I preferred the funky old park. That was something I couldn't find anywhere else. Boomerangs on the other hand are a dime a dozen. > It's also worth noting that it was one of two train rides in the park, which I think they found unnecessary. I can't say I necessarily disagree with that either. < Well, three if you count Danny. But I saw nothing wrong with three train rides. Each was unique. And again, they were family-oriented. Small children and older adults probably won't ride the Boomerang or Crackaxle. By the time SF was done working their magic there was less for families to do. The Looney Tunes area, though nicely themed, really didn't change that. Small children can ride; for the most part, adults have to sit and watch. > As for the Tornado, well, probably the best thing anyone could say about it was that it was historic. The ride itself sucked, had a dismal capacity, and was not very popular. < There were always lines for it when I was there. And I always left that ride with a smile on my face; it was so corny (no pun intended). I'd never seen another dark ride like it (and probably never will). > Very little of the story town near the river was removed (in fact, I think only the church and the three bears house was taken out). < And the pink whale and the gigantic wooden elephant and Jack and Jill (one of my favorites). There were many other storybook characters that vanished over the years: Jack jumping the candlestick, the three men in a tub, etc. And by the way, I really do like what SF did with the old schoolhouse and the three bears' house in the Looney Tune area. But I still miss the nostalgia of the old GE. > Jungle Land was unfortunately altered, but it had fallen into such disrepair over the years < Actually, before SF got their hands on the park, Jungle Land was renovated. More stunts were added and everything was working fine. > I wouldn't argue that TGE hasn't lost some of its history. < None. But there are ways of growing *with* your history. Look at Knoebel's. Seabreeze is another great example: they lost their historic carousel in a fire, but went the extra length to build something that celebrates their history and is true to their heritage, complete with old wooden rocking chairs in the pavilion. > Most of Storytown has been completely unchanged. < If you remembered it from ten years ago, you would disagree. > All of the miniature buildings are still standing. < Not quite all, but a good representation. > I'm not sure what the park could do to "regain its identity" that wouldn't cause complaints or be a bad business move. < I'm not sure it's possible at this point. Right now it's more like Six Flags is paying homage to Charlie Wood's original park, trying to work around what's there. It's almost like they should fence off the original park as some sort of museum. It's not quite integrated. At any rate, I'm rambling on here. I'm an old sentimental coot. The park holds some wonderful memories for me, and good memories are the hardest things to let go. I'm not trying to say Six Flags is wrong or stupid; they're making the best business decisions as they see fit. I face similar decisions on a much smaller scale with the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round: how far do we have to go in altering the ride to keep it running and make it safe, and how does that affect the ride's historic integrity and peoples' memories. The sad reality is, if we chose not to modernize, we'd probably be out of business. So I'll just continue collecting those memories.... Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 15 09:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7696 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 16:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:29:53 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4FGSIjR003651 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:28:18 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 15 May 2006 11:28:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:28:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2006 16:28:15.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[9111EDC0:01C6783C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Trip Report: Beech Bend - Friday May 12th, 2006. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YYjNRN97dg_ar9FDx7wM1lk90dav-KGF9hL_gL9kv-7_4XpS X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Hi, So at 2pm on Thursday, I jumped into my car and headed south. Of course the weather was horrible, and the traffic on 90/94 sucked; but I after just five and a half hours I pulled into my friend Corey's drive in Louisville. The drive was uneventful, except for the horrid wind and rain for about the first ninety minutes. I don't think I can ever recall driving through such heavy rain combined with such a cross-wind. After a good sleep and short drive on Friday morning, I parked at Beech Bend at about 9:15. My friend Dave arrived about 10 minutes later, and we headed into the park. This was my first visit, and Dave had only been once in February while Rumbler was under construction, so we were both excited to see this park. It's a very nice, very local park with a handful of older (used) rides, and several new ones. Most of the older flat-rides are still mounted on trailers, but it's hidden pretty well and doesn't look bad. The Rumbler is obviously a huge investment for this park, so I'll get on with that. The ride itself really doesn't look like much from the park, but GCI did an outstanding job fitting a lot of track into a small space. This ride is fun, really fun. The layout is intense in that it's full of air, tight turns and there is not a single dull spot throughout the entire course. Even the short run from the station to the lift is interesting, with a few little hills. The top of the lift drops slightly into a really tight, slightly under-banked, 200 degree right turn that just collapses into an air- filled first drop .. it's amazing, and had me laughing every time. From there I have no idea of the layout, as I actually think it changed each time we rode. One thing that remained constant, and really stands out, is a phenomenal hill that gives at least 5 solid seconds air .. front of the train, back of the train, it really doesn't matter. The ride is a whirlwind of turns and air .. The turns are typical for GCI, unltra-smooth and formed/banked to perfection. Between the turns there are little micro-hills that give awesome pops of air, and add to the overall fun nature of the ride. However this ride is more than just turn, air, turn, air, rinse, repeat. Many of the turns include air such that you're popped out of the seat and the train banks around you while you're floating. It's a wonderful sensation, one which I felt for the first time on Cornball Express at Lost Coaster weekend in 2003 (and, oddly, never again on that coaster). Thunderhead does the same thing, and I just can't get enough of it! Another highlight is a long, undulating section of track that wraps around the base of the first turn/drop structure. Sitting in the right-hand seat, this is probably the first time I've ever experienced "ear-choppers"! :) Rumbler is a solid A+ ride. It's fast, fun, re-ridable, and with Batman like pacing. Other coasters at the park include a Pinfari Looping Star, which I guess was pretty typical for one of those (never ridden one before). I wouldn't go so far as to say it was painful, but it wasn't a whole lot of fun. There was a good line for it all morning (it went down around noon), and the kids seemed to like it. Beech Bend is also home to a Zamperla spinning mouse, it looks like the exact same model as the one at Six Flags Great America (except the restraints are different). When Dave and I rode we both sat on the same side to maximize the spinning .. it worked! After lunch we noticed that the ride had shut down (looked like an E-Stop), and some people were being evacuated from the second set of switch-backs (where the cars spin). We walked over and there were two cars on the same set of brakes, about an inch apart; and it was from these cars that the passengers were evacuated. I still don't know what happened, or if the cars actually bumped (maybe it's designed to stop two cars there) ... however later in the day they were running the ride at much lower capacity, with only two cars on the main course at once. They have this amazing old (OLD!) haunted house, in what is apparently one of the only buildings that wasn't replaced when the current owners re-opened the park in the late 80s. You ride in these little two or three seater, individually powered cars that rotate to face each scene. There are a few moments where it looks like you're going to crash right into a set! The scenes themselves look reasonably recent, and it's overall a very fun ride. It was Junior High day at the park when we were there, and the kids really loved this ride. Be sure to note the amazing metal spider-web near the entrance. Now I'm not really a flat-ride guy (they make me sick), but there is a ride there called "Scat 2". This thing is NUTS! I can't quite describe the motion with words, but it was pretty severe .. I should have got some video. They have one of those portable drop towers that I've seen a few times at the Lake County Fair in Illinois, but I hadn't ridden. Since I've finally started to make friends with Giant Drop at Great America (I have a mild fear of heights), I decided to join Dave for a ride on this. Unlike the Intamin towers, this one doesn't stop at the top .. It just lifts you s-l-o-w-l-y, and then - WHAM! You're plummeting back down - with no pause, no warning, nothing. It's very effective. The park as a whole is in a nice setting. There's a large pond in the middle (complete with fountain), and plenty of trees. I don't recall any indoor eating location, but there are several trailers and tables scattered about everywhere. Food was never far away. On the whole I liked the park quite a bit. It's still small, but I think they've good a got future ahead of them; especially now with the addition of Rumbler. I can't imagine them not having a huge year, drawing people out of near-by Nashville. They have a small water- park, but I would bet that will be expanding in the next few years (look what it did for Holiday World!). Pictures: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/beech_bend_2006/ Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 15 09:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82396 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4FGTcOw020249 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:29:38 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 15 May 2006 11:29:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <60ABAFE3-373C-45FD-AE6F-867D6E229B8B@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:29:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2006 16:29:38.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2BEE8A0:01C6783C] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Trip Report: Holiday World - Saturday May 13th, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=7PY5ceXIir4y4L-FERMkpJxcU0YJtyBldPzHhm-joLA92y7j X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi again! Sweet Sweet Holiday World! I don't need to go on and on about how awesome this place is, because I'd bet that nearly everyone on here has been at some point. And if you haven't? Well .. umm .. why are you wasting time reading this dosh?! Now I don't know what the hell is wrong with me to let three whole years pass without going back to Holiday World ... but it was so good to be back! Just walking through the entrance plaza made me so happy. And this was while it was raining and the park was closed! But I'm getting a bit ahead of myself.. OK, so Dave and I arrived at about 5pm on Friday after our awesome day at Beech Bend. Holiday World had been open earlier for a private event, but was now closed (besides, it was raining and quite miserable). However, that didn't stop Dave .. You see, Dave used to work there and still knows many people who still work there. So he pulls right into the secret little parking lot near the marketing offices, and starts pounding on the door. Dave was met with smiles, and open arms .. a theme that would continue all day on Saturday too. It was kind of cool. The point to all this? We got a personal tour of the Voyage station on Friday evening, while the park was closed. We walked down to Thanksgiving and, as I'd read a million times, Voyage is a massive, MASSIVE presence down there. I mean it's big, really big, you just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is! (Apologies to Douglas Adams). I'm not just talking about the lift .. but the final turns, the station, the tunnels, everything. It's awesome! We were led into the station through the queue, and down-stairs near the viewing window. I was struck by the amazing theming that had been applied to the station, and I was surprised that no-one had mentioned it. However I learned that it had only been installed during the past week, and wasn't present over opening weekend. They had fishing nets, ship steering wheels (is there a real name for these things?), and those giant glass balls that are supported in a web of rope. It's awesome. We then walked up onto the loading platform, and got a chance to look around there. The theming in the station is also pretty great, with similar items all over the walls including the control booth that is labeled "Captain's Quarters". Since the park was closed we were permitted to look around, including the control panel (and probably the nerdiest photo of me ever!). Next we headed down to the maintenance area under the station, which will apparently be the new central location for train maintenance for all three coasters. Obviously this will only include the major winter re-hab, since it's on the other side of the park, but still. This leads up to the storage tracks for Voyage, and we got to walk around up there, both above and below the tracks. The track is actually at about shoulder height to make it easier to work on the trains, but it means you have to crouch around; however it sure was fun. It's a cool setup where the trains sit on the up-stop wheels, which leave the road and side wheels free. We also got to see the control room, which included video recording equipment (for all the cameras around and on the ride), the control PLC cabinet, and an interfacing PC. The PC was pretty cool, it talks wirelessly to these little PDA-like devices that show a whole range of stats for each of the three trains ... including total number of laps, average speed, average time, total miles traveled, etc. It's all wireless, so the mechanics can take it down to the maintenance areas while working on the trains. I'm sure the PDAs have a whole range of other cool features to help the techs, too. The station is massive, and really is a maze of twisty passages, all alike. Had I been left alone in there, I'm convinced that I'd never find my way out. As a coaster geek, and an engineering geek, I found this whole thing quite spectacularly cool. Pictures: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/holiday_world_2006/voyage_tour/ OK .. so on to the ride.. I had read the reports, seen all the pictures, and watched the videos; so as I sat in the front seat before my first ride, waiting for the the train to dispatch and staring up at that long, long lift- hill like looking down the barrel of a gun ... I felt some slight apprehension. I was actually nervous, and a little scared .. which is odd because I haven't been scared of a coaster since I first rode Batman in 1998 (it was my first inverted coaster, second looping coaster, and only about a week or two after I even started riding coasters). But I was scared about what this now legendary coaster would do to my frail, pink, human body. Well of course I had totally blown the whole thing out of proportion, this ride rocks! It's not as brutal as people have been saying, and it was no where near as brutal as I was expecting. In my head we were about to head up the lift of a 1.2 mile long version of Legend, and fortunately it's not like that at all. Voyage is a total and complete ass-kicking, but not in the "crush all your organs" manner of Legend. It's ridable, and fun, and really smooth. However it did do something totally unexpected .. About half way through my second ride (this was in the back seat), I suddenly realized that I felt sick! How odd, since I can't think of any other coaster that had that effect on me. I knew I wouldn't actually be sick, but the little man in my stomach was pounding on his ceiling with the broom and yelling "keep it down up there!". It only took about five minutes after that ride for everything to calm down, and then I was fine the rest of the day. However I wasn't alone .. I saw and heard about several people who couldn't keep it together. I wonder if all the air-time is the cause? Still, I guess in some way it goes with the theme! The layout of Voyage is just amazing, and Will is a sick, sick man for coming up with it! :) There is one point about half-way through the return run (just before the track passes through the structure for the first time), where there's a slight (but perfectly banked) right turn, then again left .. it's almost as-if B&M were to do trick-track .. and for some reason, I don't know how, it feels exactly like snow skiing. Like two perfect turns around two perfect moguls. So, so sweet! Those who've talked about the pacing as spot-on, it's perfect. The elements come in a faster and faster succession towards the end of the ride, and the speed is ever increasing. It just doesn't feel possible, but it happens! I still can't get over the length, it just keeps going, but in a good way! I lost count of the number of times we rode, however we did often just get right back in line and were heading up the lift after just 5 or 10 minutes. All up I'd say we rode about 15 times, and I'm itching to get back down there for Holiwood Nights. I don't know if it was because I'd spent so much time on Rumbler the day before, but the return run on Voyage seems more like GCI than Custom Coasters (or Gravity Group). I don't know what these coasters get up to in the off-season, but Timbers, Raven and Thunderhead must have had some fun recently! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 15 10:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4594 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.37c.2cd5beb (15865) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df94468bdfb60; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:44:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:44:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <4468BDFD.4030705@aol.com> References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Kings Dominion: April 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=U5UAPexpO1Fjl5mRDlvUu_5VBQ4nPo3EnkoEWoLReYvlqhQRDA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Volcanomania King=E2=80=99s Dominion April 8, 2006 Rainy and cold most of the day The day started out OK, it was cloudy, a little rainy but still=20 relatively warm. I had stayed the night at my sister=E2=80=99s house in=20 Lexington Park, and got to the park at about 9:00, finding a very close=20 parking spot. The event was a Coaster Zombie run affair, always a good event. I found=20 the Zombies near the gates and lended a hand passing out the event=20 materials. The park was also holding a cheerleading competition, and there were=20 about 10,000 screaming twelve years olds running around. (1) At 9:30,=20 we went through the gates and headed into the park and towards Volcano. Volcano was prepped and ready to go. I was ahead of most everybody, so=20 I got in line for the front seat, as there were only a few folks there,=20 and got on the second train out. Volcano=E2=80=99s crew was fast and effic= ient,=20 keeping dispatch times down. I got five or six rides in varying seats,=20 not really sure, and then headed out to see the rest of the park. The park was, at this point, open to Gold Pass members, so all the rides=20 were open. I went straight away to the Flying Eagles, easily my=20 favorite flat in the park, and proceeded to get my own personal ERT on=20 them. I had them snapping like crazy, and throughout the day, I had=20 managed 20 or more laps on the ride. Later in the day I would be joined=20 by Brian Watts, another Flying Skooter devotee, and we would really go=20 at it. The ride ops got a kick out of it, snapping is a rarity at this=20 park, and we were doing some hard, loud snaps. It is truly interesting=20 the see people=E2=80=99s reaction. On one ride, a woman standing by watchi= ng=20 the ride, covered her mouth and yelled =E2=80=9COh my God=E2=80=9D when I f= irst got it=20 going. Brian and I each managed to make someone cry. Yes, it was a=20 good day on the Flying Eagles. (2) I sort of wandered the park at this point. I headed to Drop Zone, where=20 I ran into Bubba and his friend. We rode together and then headed for=20 Hypersonic XLC. They were looking for single riders, so I boarded a few=20 trains ahead of Bubba and lost track of him. I had a pretty good ride=20 on it, managed not to bang my head, and rode it two other times later in=20 the day, also good rides. Got a few more FE rides and headed for lunch. For the group photo, I=20 stood at the top of the hill with Bob Ziems making funny gestures and=20 generally carrying on. After lunch we rode Scooby Doo=E2=80=99s Haunted Ca= stle=20 for some warm-up, and then went and rode Avalanche and Anaconda.=20 Avalache was running fast and furious. I rode it several more times=20 later in the day. Anaconda was, well, Anaconda. It is an Arrow looper,=20 and you know what to expect. We returned to the Haunted Castle for the shooting contest, where I=20 scored 2280 (3) and then rode the Ghoster Coaster, which was running=20 very well. While in line for Ghoster Coaster the wind had picked up and it started=20 to rain pretty steady. It also turned much colder. I had to go to the=20 car to get a jacket. We then went up in the tower, which was very cold,=20 rode the FE=E2=80=99s some more, and then the Grizzly. They tore out some trees near Grizz to build a go-cart track. I think=20 it is a good plan, go-carts make good money, and it doesn=E2=80=99t take aw= ay=20 from the ride, Grizz is still back in the woods, and is still fast and=20 intense. The tunnel on the Grizz is still one of my favorite moments,=20 and is only heightened in its intensity at night. You enter the tunnel=20 and it just seems to roar through, throwing you around like a rag doll.=20 At night you have no clue where you are going. I love it. I spent most of the rest of the evening riding the FE=E2=80=99s. I did see= the=20 Hanna-Barbara simulator, if only just to warm up. It wasn=E2=80=99t too ba= d,=20 not great, but better then some. I also got a ride on Tomb Raider, with=20 full effects running. This is perhaps the best Top Spin outside of=20 Astroland I have ridden, very intense, with lots of fast flipping. The night ended on the Grizzly, two back to back rides on the wild coaster. While the weather was not the best, the day turned out great. The park=20 stayed open all the way to closing time, and should be commended for=20 that, because by the end of the night, there was nobody in the park.=20 The staff was fantastic throughout the entire day, friendly and helpful,=20 and kept upbeat. I even left a good comment for the FE crew, who were=20 having as good a time as we were. Footnotes: 1. OK, maybe it wasn=E2=80=99t 10,000, but it sure seemed it. It actually= =20 turned out to be a good thing, they were back in the arena for most of=20 the day, so the park crowds stayed pretty light. 2. I took pretty much no photos in the park. Don=E2=80=99t know why, gues= s it=20 was just the weather and the fact that I have shot so many photos here=20 already. However, Bob Ziems has a great photo of me on the Flying=20 Eagles, and I will post it as soon as I get it. 3. I scored 2280, which I believe was the high score, but I am not sure=20 it was recorded correctly, as we are being told the high score was 2130=20 by Chuck Robbins. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 15 10:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56959 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:48:42 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.40e.1c9298a (15874) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e024468bed239b; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:48:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:48:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: SFoG: Aprill 22, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=2GdwjqyD7A2QOrPVtUWwP_syAmeP0S_eTi-zmohbEGJZ07DP7g X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo This is part 1, I'll eventually get around to writting part two, soon,=20 really, I promise ;-) Spring Fling Six Flags Over Georgia April 22, 2006 Rain early, then sun All photos can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/1399111 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66223978-M.jpg Finally, after years of thinking about it, I have headed on down south=20 to visit Six Flags Over Georgia. I had been told it was one of the=20 nicest parks in the chain, and it did not disappoint. It is in a=20 beautiful setting, well themed across most of the park, and a great=20 collection of coasters, though it is weak in the flats department. I was excited to see that a few months back, when this event was=20 announced, it had been moved to late April. Finally, a date I can work=20 with and that would offer the chance to visit Lake Winnie the next day,=20 as it would now be open for the season. Originally I was going to drive down and stay with my friend Joe (1),=20 however, plans kept changing and I ended up flying down. So, hats off=20 to Joe for putting up with me and driving me all over the place. We got to the park extra early to help out with registration, handing=20 out lanyards to everyone that needed one. Relieved of that duty at=20 8:30, we headed into the park and up to the USA section. The only thing=20 running thus far was Shake, Rattle and Roll, an indoor Scrambler. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66224987-M.jpg The ride had a decent show, but the cycle was far, far too short. It=20 seemed like it had only just gotten started and then it was over. This=20 seemed to be the case with most all of the parks few flat rides. Goliath had a line forming and seemed to have no life, so we headed down=20 to the back of the park where we got a few rides on the Great American=20 Scream Machine. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66206434-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66205986-M.jpg We caught several rides on it, and it seemed to be running pretty well,=20 with loads of airtime on the last few hills, though it was jackhammering=20 a bit too. Ninja next door showed no signs of life, but Superman was running, so we=20 headed over there. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66226378-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66228652-M.jpg WOW, a B&M Flyer that I actually like. This ride actually uses the=20 terrain of the park, something they neglected to even attempt here at=20 SFGAdv, and it makes the ride much, much better. It seems faster, and=20 has some great ground hugging effects. It is really a fun ride. We were about to ride again when the rain came, and they shut everything=20 down. Now here is the one sticking point I have with the park, why did=20 they shut the rides down? I have ridden countless coasters in the rain,=20 including some that shouldn=E2=80=99t be ridden in the rain, like Nitro (2)= . I=20 don=E2=80=99t understand why the park is brought to a standstill by a littl= e wet=20 whether. It makes no sense to me, but it seems to be common, because no=20 one else seemed to care. Well, this pretty much ended ERT, and at 10:30=20 the park opened up. The rain was still coming down when we decided to head up the hill to=20 the Riverview Carousel, which was now running. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66213037-M.jpg This is a gorgeous machine, well cared for, with some excellent figures.=20 And, it is big, five rows of horses, four chariots, all expertly=20 carved. We took a ride, on which they actually made us buckle up, and=20 then I took some photos. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66213631-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66213926-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66214951-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66214429-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66214602-M.jpg The rain started to subside a bit now, and the crowds were starting to=20 drift to the back of the park. We headed over to Monster Plantation=20 before the line got too long and took a ride. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66210599-M.jpg Monster Plantation is a dark ride with animatronics. They are dated=20 looking, and well worn, but I kinda liked the ride. It had that=20 Disneyesque feel to it, even if some of the monsters have seen better=20 days. As we exited the ride the rain once again came down by the bucket=20 load, and we sought shelter in a nearby giftshop with about 100 other folks= . Before I go any further, I was just wondering, how much would you pay=20 for this sign? http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66175386-M.jpg Just wondering. Anyway, within a few minutes the rain subsided and that would be it for=20 the day. At this point The Dahlonega Mine ride was running, so we=20 hopped on. This Arrow mine train was not too bad, I=E2=80=99ve been on bet= ter=20 and worse, this fit right about in the middle. Arrow mine rides are=20 interesting to me. I think they were marketed most ingeniously. It is=20 like they were marketed by saying that they are supposed to be rough=20 with bad transitions because it makes for a wild, out of control ride,=20 when really it is just typical bad Arrow design when it looks like the=20 rails where put together using a sledge hammer. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66169440-M.jpg Making our way to the front of the park, we were over run by mobs and=20 mobs of kids, so Joe decided this would be a good day to use his free=20 Q-bot coupon. There was a sizable line, but they moved quickly and he=20 had a six person Q-bot in about 10 minutes. We went over and queued for=20 Goliath, and then noticed something truly remarkable, Dejavu was=20 running, with people on it none the less. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/66171915-M.jpg There was already a sizable line for this, so we queued for it too, and=20 roamed a bit until it was time to ride Goliath. I am going to save that ride review for a little bit later, but let=E2=80= =99s=20 just say, the first ride was not all that great, the ride was running a=20 bit sluggish and felt rough. The Q-bot was giving us an indeterminable time because Dejavu had, of=20 course, broken down, and as we headed down that way, we found the train=20 stuck at the bottom of the second spike, so we decided to go to lunch=20 instead. Footnotes 1. Joe is a local to the park, living about 30 miles away. We know each=20 other from themeparkcritic.com and meet for the first time last year at=20 SFGAdv. Joe runs the site coasterenthusiast.com. 2. On Nitro it feels like you are being hit in the face with nails while=20 riding in the rain. It is probably not the smartest thing to be doing,=20 but hey, when the line is short, you gotta take advantage of it. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 15 10:50:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64933 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:50:22 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.454.5cddc2 (15863) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df74468bf5038f; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:50:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <4468BF52.7000906@aol.com> References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Beech Bend - Friday May 12th, 2006. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=RjfUYOq_46cdrQv9hAbwZ2jRQmeLRQStBasL209mKhHVZ-oH_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo I would just like to say thanks for both reports. I was wondering what to expect from Beech bend, and it looks like it will be just as I thought, a nice little family park. And as for Voyage, nice review. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 15 11:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79042 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:59:39 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.406.20a7f10 (15865) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df94468c1422a9; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:58:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:58:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> Message-ID: <4468C144.9000405@aol.com> References: <7C3CBC02-5B52-484E-B9EC-5C49FDB3162D@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Best and Worst additions/ improvements of 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=_HxCnRg_OoBFHvh1LxqJ2irSOw3RLn3kij5WOvMlwTpRDo49Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mike wrote on 5/10/2006, 12:56 PM: > I sort of agree. I think Tatsu was the worser addition, since it > ruins the park's appearance way more. El Toro doesn't help though > either... looking across the lake was bad enough with Kingda Ka > sticking up 300 feet higher than rolling thunder, now theres just a > huge ass wooden coaster, and the whole thing looks like a scene from > RCT. > I'm just a little behing here :P I actually think the ride looks great next to the lake: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180159-M.jpg > But my biggest complaint about El Toro is it looked like they were > going to block off the path between the Rolling Thunder and Medusa > area, which would totally kill traffic back by the Medusa area. They > had the bridge blocked off last season while they were taking down > Viper, and for the most part Medusa was a maximum 15 minute line. > Good for me, bad for the park. I'm still not entirely sure if > they're opening it, but I'd imagine they're not completely stupid. The path will be open once the coanstruction is finished. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon May 15 11:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49610 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 18:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 18:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 18:21:34 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so888445uge for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr1260072hua; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0605151121g703bab49wa5759f0e3e0f9822@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:21:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFoG: Aprill 22, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=fGdPx5OpON-rmDMsxyoyxXA86O4YbBs7-4KuDNWl5Q9ReVw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "WOW, a B&M Flyer that I actually like. This ride actually uses the terrain of the park, something they neglected to even attempt here at SFGAdv, and it makes the ride much, much better. It seems faster, and has some great ground hugging effects. It is really a fun ride." I have always said the rides would be better if more theming were added. I think if it had sections of flying over a miniaturized city or between some larger "buildings" it would enhance the flying effect tremendously. I think Tatsu's location is why it might be the best flyer out there, although I don't see myself making the trip out to SFMM for any reason... Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 15 11:57:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1804 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 18:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 18:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 18:56:57 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.44e.89f500 (15886) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e4468cee3325; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:56:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:56:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0605151121g703bab49wa5759f0e3e0f9822@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4468CEE5.40609@aol.com> References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> <165816ef0605151121g703bab49wa5759f0e3e0f9822@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: SFGAdv: May 12, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=hx4F8fwaOxLzO0U5DlNMdXn_3iIznmhjL5BHJEIjtmAinPTjrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo I've been sooo neglectful on posting reports here this season. I've written a few, but not posted them here, so I figure I'll come out of my slump and get some of them up. As usual, my reports are written to be posted on message boards, so they have photos inline. I have left the link to the photos so you can go to them, or you can just pass them by and look at the enitre gallery if you like. Six Flags Great Adventure May 12, 2006 Sunny and warm, with light crowds The full photo gallery can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/1452070 Just a quick report. I visited the park for a few hours this morning. The call was for rain, but it turned out to be a perfect day whether wise. Great skies, perfect temp, great day to just walk around and take some photos of the park. The park was busy with school groups, but not overly crowded. Kingda Ka was, of course, still closed. I could see them working on the launch track as I came in to the park. It looked like they were power washing it. I was going to hit Chiller: Batman up first, but it was closed, with both trains on the transfer. It did not open while I was in the park. Oh well, next time. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69173985-M.jpg I did ride Nitro, it was running great as usual. It just affirms that I still like it better then SFoG's Goliath, though just slightly. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69174053-M.jpg Also rode a few flats, Jolly Roger, the cables, Parachutes, but for the most part walked around enjoying the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69174341-M.jpg The Kiddie Carousel looks great with the posters in the background: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69174870-M.jpg Just a little Bull here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69175183-M.jpg The fence has been moved back to show some of Plaza Del Carnaval's entrance: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69175028-M.jpg You also get a good look at Tango in place (still wish we were getting a Disko): http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69175546-M.jpg And of course, El Toro: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176436-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69174954-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176378-M.jpg Who wants a big kiss: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176204-M.jpg I tawt I taw a puddy cat: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69175975-M.jpg Loopy: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176574-M.jpg Is this AC. There are these slot machines set up by the Twister: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176737-M.jpg A pretty sky: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69176852-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69177216-M.jpg And now, a tribute to the landscapers, major kudos go to them once again: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69177578-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69177738-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69178052-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69178409-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69178689-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69178879-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180134-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180346-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180699-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180446-M.jpg Six coasters in one shot: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69179589-M.jpg I love the lake: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180159-M.jpg El Toro Stuff: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180188-M.jpg New Yorkers??? ;) http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69180247-M.jpg A few comments, questions, and suggestions: Last year it was mentioned that season pass holders would get premium parking, is that happening this year? The Thailand employees are deffinatly getting there, they are friendly, cheerful, and enthusiastic. Keep it up. There are a boatload of catfish living in the lake near the fort, the park should put some of those gumball machines with feed there. I think people would get a kick out of it. Speaking of fish, what happened to the koi in the koi pond? The pond is still there, but no fish. The sound system in the park is wonderful. When you go from one area of the park to another, it really makes it seem that way. It is a shame that people will never look at just how beautiful the park is. It doesn't have the terrain of some other parks, but the ground's crew is top notch, and it really shows it this season. Even this early there are flowers everywhere. In some places the scents of blooming flowers is overwhelming. They are doing an excellent job, and hope they get recognized for it. Can't wait for El Toro! If you made it this far, please enjoy this: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/69181881-L.jpg -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon May 15 12:29:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43806 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 19:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 19:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 19:29:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.233.a8217f3 (3940) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <233.a8217f3.319a306c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:28:44 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFoG: Aprill 22, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=YWqbIunROr6WJH5Jv6fR-f-Bo6sr5jaIG60jYxVSGvKYSrWNtOFy X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great pictures. You went on such a beautiful day. Sorry Kingda ka was closed, but it's not that good. BTC is the better Chiller. -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 15 12:41:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56676 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 19:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 19:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 19:41:44 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so896326wra for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.149.10 with SMTP id w10mr3837247qbd; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:41:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060514234441.16609.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147604563.2207.28125.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060514234441.16609.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GE thoughts (was SF Evokes Disney) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fuNwVrDcjHnaqrB2Wa18cTTH-jeFy1KMkbjMr0kFZcgJeyJX3ZDm9V4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So SF made a mistake early on, and once down that road it was difficult t= o reverse their course. No, I don't think that's what happened, as I fail to see how TGE has been marketed toward thrill seekers in the last five years. When Premier took over TGE, I think they intended on using the same plan they've used everywhere else (ie coasters, coasters, coasters). TGE got the Boomerang, Bobsled, and Nightmare in rapid succession. At that point, it became pretty obvious that thrills weren't going to drive that market. From then on, there was a steady stream of family rides into the park (Canyon Blaster, Looney Tunes National Park, etc). Six Flags knows this is a family park, and have altered their strategy to reflect that. I think that much is pretty clear. > The new rides came with new signs that IMO didn't fit in with the rest of= the park. Yeah, they looked good in a > sort of theme-park way. But they= seemed out-of-place. Funny, I think TGE has one of the best sign shops in the business. All of the new ones are fantastic and reflect the character of the park. I don't think any of them are bland or sterile. > Yes, Danny the Dragon was a maintenance headache, but I'm sure it was no = more of a problem than the > Boblsed (which rarely ran in its first few years). And I'm sure it was a= lot less costly to maintain. Well, Intamin is still around to support their Bobsled attractions and the Alpine Bobsled is not one-of-a-kind. Danny the Dragon, on the other hand, was a unique ride with no spare parts available. And on top of that, what ride is more marketable (and thus able to recoup the associated maintenance costs)? It's certainly not Danny the Dragon. > If SF wanted a thrill park, they should have gone all the way and leveled= the Storytown structures, Ghost Town, > Alice, Jungle Land -- the whole lo= t. But by hanging on to them they created a dichotomy, a park with a split > personality. Why? Why does a park have to be one or the other? Should Cedar Point rip down all of their older rides? Should Kennywood get rid of their classic attractions? What's wrong with having new *and* old elements? I think TGE is one of the most unique parks in the country specifically because of the mix of old and new. And it's not like such a thing never existed under Charlie Wood, as he was responsible for some of the park's largest thrill rides. > Well, three if you count Danny. But I saw nothing wrong with three train= rides. Each was unique. And again, > they were family-oriented. Small children and older adults probably won'= t ride the Boomerang or Crackaxle. By > the time SF was done working their= magic there was less for families to do. The Looney Tunes area, though > nicely themed, really didn't change that. Small children can ride; for t= he most part, adults have to sit and > watch. I don't agree. Six Flags put in Canyon Blaster, for one, which is a great (and, *ahem*, historic) family attraction. Looney Tunes National Park has been an enormous hit with families, and I don't agree that parents need to be able to ride with their children to enjoy the park. Six Flags even reinstalled a one-of-a-kind historic attraction that Charlie had removed. This is hardly a case of removing all of a park's character. > > As for the Tornado, well, probably the best thing anyone could say abou= t it was that it was historic. The ride itself sucked, had a dismal capaci= ty, and was not very popular. > There were always lines for it when I was there. Well, that's exactly what happens when a ride can only crank through about a hundred people per hour. The effects were pathetic and weak, and despite the unique theme to the ride, Canyon Blaster has been a much more popular attraction. > And the pink whale and the gigantic wooden elephant and Jack and Jill (on= e of my favorites). There were originally plans for the whale to return down by the river near Subway, but I believe it was (sadly) damaged during the move. I'm not sure if there are still plans to put it back in. The wooden elephant obviously didn't fit the new theme and was moved to SFGAdv for their new Golden Kingdom area. Jack and Jill was old, outdated, and unfortunately rarely worked anymore. But I think the elements Six Flags have retained and kept up far outweigh those that have been removed. > > Jungle Land was unfortunately altered, but it had fallen into such > > disrepair over the years > Actually, before SF got their hands on the park, Jungle Land was renovate= d. More stunts were added and > everything was working fine. I don't know the whole story behind that or who is really responsible for the sad state of things the last time I went through (just before Looney Tunes National Park was constructed). I know Six Flags did a complete renovation of the swinging bridge a year ago when they transformed it to Duck Hunt (or whatever it is). But the rest of the area had fallen victim to (1) rules about wetland use and (2) destructive park guests. I'm sure you know that the final portin of Jungleland had been closed off for several years (the area near the large tiki statue) because of some illegal activities of park guests back there. On top of that, all of the animatronics were old, constantly exposed to the elements, and quite literally falling apart. I'm not thrilled with the new duck hunt; I think it's cheap and a sad replacement for what once was. But at the same time, there's not much the park could have done, and I think it's great they even bothered to keep it open. > None. But there are ways of growing *with* your history. Look at Knoebe= l's. Seabreeze is another great > example: they lost their historic carousel in a fire, but went the extra = length to build something that celebrates > their history and is true to their heritage, complete with old wooden roc= king chairs in the pavilion. I don't see how TGE is any different from that. Yes, they lost some historic attractions. But many have remained, many have been updated, and there have even historic attractions that have been reinstalled. Removing the park's history is not a priority or goal of those in charge. But when rides become maintenance nightmares, or are faced with poor popularity, it becomes time to move on. But don't ignore some of the truly fantastic things Six Flags has done to this park. I know several people who work their butts off at TGE. These are people who truly care about the industry and about the park in general. They're proud of the park's history, and they're proud of what they do there. It's hard to not respect what's been done at TGE after seeing how much everybody really does care. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 15 12:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96807 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.228) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so36074wri for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.112.8 with SMTP id k8mr89593qbc; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:54:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4468CEE5.40609@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> <165816ef0605151121g703bab49wa5759f0e3e0f9822@mail.gmail.com> <4468CEE5.40609@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGAdv: May 12, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=eBKXOy_mGR9aYr8PP_Nu8CiiawWIvXO84e_SSwlZQqUZb3UbncE-9CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It is a shame that people will never look at just how beautiful the park > is. It doesn't have the terrain of some other parks, but the ground's > crew is top notch, and it really shows it this season. Even this early > there are flowers everywhere. In some places the scents of blooming > flowers is overwhelming. They are doing an excellent job, and hope they > get recognized for it. Oh, I've noticed. SFGAdv is one of the prettiest parks in the chain, if not in the country. The park certainly has its problems, but landscaping and scenery has never been one of them. Thanks for the report and the pictures. It's starting to look like I might actually get out there again this year - woo hoo! -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 15 14:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99873 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 21:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2006 21:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2006 21:00:05 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4FL04mN000774 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:00:04 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 15 May 2006 16:00:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4468CEE5.40609@aol.com> References: <54D06132-2AC0-46D9-B026-22D1552F235D@buzzneon.com> <4468BED7.3090304@aol.com> <165816ef0605151121g703bab49wa5759f0e3e0f9822@mail.gmail.com> <4468CEE5.40609@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F86B88A-B9CF-43E0-9E7A-9F023C18C8A8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:00:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2006 21:00:04.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[89E56C40:01C67862] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGAdv: May 12, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=iM18p1uqEFYrcHUsMkODVdtEw1_sSJ6x0G-qDsXhEsQ1zM4q X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Thanks for the report! Great Adventure is high on my list of parks to visit .. both for the rides and the zoo. Landscaping makes a huge difference, especially when there's no terrain! Six Flags Great America looks terrific at this time of year too, it's nice. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Start wearing purple * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** for me now... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue May 16 05:46:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 817 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 12:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 12:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 12:42:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 12:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 12:41:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:41:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.79.40 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tq2sVCqgWj6h75YFAwkLNtojoplt1_chCYPa-FIvBSOxGlZSlg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I got off work about 2 this afternoon and hauled up to Fuji-Q in just under two hours. I shot off a bunch of pictures, and a little video too. I've posted the pictures at TPR (as usual) and once I've figured out how to get the video off my camera, into my PC, edited and uploaded to TPR, I'll let you all know.=20 Anyhoo, here's the pictures: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D401 Enjoy! Chris From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue May 16 06:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29449 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 13:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 13:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 13:05:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 13:04:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2006 13:04:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:04:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Trip Reports X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=EWWTPMEdDGUVPfdtrwFDEp-kOHthcQhB4lOfVzpUrXlbFQ2VlEoueOc X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks for the trip reports Cameron and Nathan; looks like you guys=20 had busy weekends!! Glad to hear how awesome the Voyage is. I=20 expected it to be awesome but it's nice to get the confirmation from a=20 coasterholic. Just curious Cameron where do you live because it=20 sounds like your in the same general park area as me?=20=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 16 08:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25977 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 15:18:19 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4GFI8q1018395 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:08 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2006 15:18:08.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFD2ECA0:01C678FB] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hX9roKNQ5uWtf3xgYcsBImZ-yV-S5UQ0vb1vsLSophsKj9_e X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Terrific pictures, thanks! That certainly looks like an awesome ride, I can't wait to hear about it operating. Some friends and I are discussing a possible Japan trip next summer, maybe I'll have to get on a few coasters while I'm there. I think it would be pretty fun to have my first 4D coaster be the one in Japan, rather than California! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's drinking * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the water!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 16 08:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64544 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2006 15:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 15:18:48 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4GFIiIn008255 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:47 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A92558D-B338-4CFD-AAB8-0B71DE1182C7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:18:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2006 15:18:44.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[056BCB40:01C678FC] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Reports X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=S4AuwD6fBbu0bxg2OjSse7v0_y9rbJAhy9LsYG-lZLDJh3nx X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Matt, I'm in Chicago .. actually just north of the city, in Evanston. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed May 17 04:34:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70369 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 11:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 11:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 11:34:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:34:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.150 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point's next roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=JqaPOqx6xd8226FKb0lHySQ1oozkqBRt4Jzn1_NHdHMEX9VcBqE X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I was at Cedar Point last week (TR should follow, stay tuned!) and=20 there is a large construction zone where the White Water Landing had=20 been located and across the lagoon where the Swan Boat were up to=20 2003. A lot of concrete foots are already in place throughout this=20 area. Now, we have a confirmation that this new ride is going to be a roller=20 coaster. Pointbuzz reproduces an article published in the Sandusky=20 Register with pictures of some tracks delivered at the Point: http://www.pointbuzz.com/news.htm?id=3D906 For a complete coverage of this project: http://www.pointbuzz.com/2007watch.htm Fred From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed May 17 06:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46252 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 13:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 13:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 13:07:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 13:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 13:06:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:06:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=lE9Rb7-GNcS_YwQY0aIF4olpR1mbKpYsy2rfY4tpBVfpLNmUh_eawVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Since your in the midwest I'm just curious as to what your top ten=20 coasters are than Cameron if you don't mind taking the time to list=20 them? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 17 07:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59244 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 14:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 14:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 14:13:30 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id j2so166324nzf for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.203.3 with SMTP id a3mr1123859qbg; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:13:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-BsqVKYlpFqmKbuHFb54zdp-rjZ8XQhfP0jR0sO5nie6CJCVo61PxfM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Since your in the midwest I'm just curious as to what your top ten > coasters are than Cameron if you don't mind taking the time to list > them? Well, I think we have quite a few members who call the midwest home (myself included). However, less than half of my top ten coasters are actually in the midwest, including the Raven (#1), Shivering Timbers (#2), Avalanche (#4), Legend (#5), and Hades (#6) for wood coasters and Millennium Force (#3), Batman: Knight Flight (#9), and Deja Vu (#10) for steel coasters. Clearly the wood in the midwest is better than the steel. :-) -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 17 07:14:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25935 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 14:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sancho.theramp.net) (64.254.192.15) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 14:13:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16565 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2006 14:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (64.254.223.22) by sancho with SMTP; 17 May 2006 14:13:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <016C1FDE-9C14-4879-9299-ABDC27EF65EF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:13:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.192.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=npxMGROXNh2aUmXbzCiy4ETfNPGs1Lfk2TSb4JQe-UibJdfe X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Matt, I don't actually have a top 10 (you think I'm some sort of nerd?!) :) I do however have a list of coasters I've ridden, along with a grade for each one. So I suppose you could call my A+ rides a top-10 (except that there are 14 of them!) http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/count/ Speaking of me being a nerd, today (May 17th) marks 8 years of coaster-geekdom for me. In 1998 I was dragged to Six Flags Great America for the first time .. I woke up that morning a coaster- chicken, and went to bed that evening a coaster-geek. Cameron. On May 17, 2006, at 8:06, Matt wrote: > Since your in the midwest I'm just curious as to what your top ten > coasters are than Cameron if you don't mind taking the time to list > them? > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page > now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 17 08:17:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91721 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 15:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 15:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:17:35 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4HFGTNE006550 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:16:29 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:16:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:16:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2006 15:16:30.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0326DB0:01C679C4] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=3LGPwuJzsCM-O2KLOEh1-CCoYXNxKAjlgu3_srfzjXRzghPc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Clearly the wood in the midwest is better than the steel. :-) Agreed .. But who cares about steel anyway?! :) Seriously .. think how this region has changed since 1994 when Hoosier Hurricane opened at Indiana Beach (it was the first new wood coaster in Indiana in 50 years).. 1994 - Hoosier Hurricane 1995 - Raven, Viper and Cyclops 1996 - Pegasus 1997 - Zeus 1998 - Shivering Timbers 1999 - 2000 - Legend, Son Of Beast 2001 - Cornball Express 2002 - Lost Coster Of Superstition Mountain 2003 - 2004 - Avalanche, Thunderhead 2005 - Hades 2006 - Voyage, Kentucky Rumbler What am I forgetting? OK .. Rumbler and Thunderhead might be a bit of a stretch .. but still all of those are great rides (I've never ridden Son Of Beast, so don't jump down my throat if you don't think it's a good ride!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** The horses * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are on the track * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed May 17 08:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23873 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 15:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 15:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:20:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:20:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=7ZwOYC2G-wWR_YZkoTsF8ZBz9bMXRlzWbBZYV0GGMoraA04r3kKMx-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire We are definetly blessed with good wood in the midwest and I don't=20 know about you two but I know I prefer a good woodie to steel anyday! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > > Clearly the wood in the midwest is better than the steel. :-) >=20 > Agreed .. But who cares about steel anyway?! :) >=20 > Seriously .. think how this region has changed since 1994 when=20=20 > Hoosier Hurricane opened at Indiana Beach (it was the first new=20 wood=20=20 > coaster in Indiana in 50 years).. >=20 > 1994 - Hoosier Hurricane > 1995 - Raven, Viper and Cyclops > 1996 - Pegasus > 1997 - Zeus > 1998 - Shivering Timbers > 1999 - > 2000 - Legend, Son Of Beast > 2001 - Cornball Express > 2002 - Lost Coster Of Superstition Mountain > 2003 - > 2004 - Avalanche, Thunderhead > 2005 - Hades > 2006 - Voyage, Kentucky Rumbler >=20 > What am I forgetting? >=20 > OK .. Rumbler and Thunderhead might be a bit of a stretch .. but=20=20 > still all of those are great rides (I've never ridden Son Of=20 Beast,=20=20 > so don't jump down my throat if you don't think it's a good ride!). >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** The horses = =20 * ,_~o > cameron@... ** Are on the track * / //\ > ****************************************************************=20=20=20 \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 * \, > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed May 17 08:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86294 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 15:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 15:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:25:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 15:25:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:25:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Thanks for the top tens! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=Gz4fZEiF2Wc47rTQtq9u-YHedIIokjBqzTiiiVlcI1nwEPnIENec_e0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Cool to see both of your top coasters. I think it's cool to see=20 everyones top ten and Cameron we're all pretty much coaster nerds in=20 here aren't we?? Haha. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed May 17 08:46:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51612 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 15:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 15:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.151) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 8393 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2006 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FgODs-0004gW-MQ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:46:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> References: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73196482-4CE6-4A7A-BFE1-4A0A4FFEA1FB@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:50:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=zKrUkr9bWGO_ZEn5B85Si6oytcDpJi5P7vzWRyj-DnPDK-n5__NN X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Seriously .. think how this region has changed since 1994 when > Hoosier Hurricane opened at Indiana Beach (it was the first new wood > coaster in Indiana in 50 years).. > > 1994 - Hoosier Hurricane > 1995 - Raven, Viper and Cyclops > 1996 - Pegasus > 1997 - Zeus > 1998 - Shivering Timbers > 1999 - > 2000 - Legend, Son Of Beast > 2001 - Cornball Express > 2002 - Lost Coster Of Superstition Mountain > 2003 - > 2004 - Avalanche, Thunderhead > 2005 - Hades > 2006 - Voyage, Kentucky Rumbler > > What am I forgetting? I think there was one put in at SFO somewhere in there. Come to think of it, most of my favorite rides have been built in the past 10 years or so. Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 17 09:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3822 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 16:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 16:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.199) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 16:52:35 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so78989nzn for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr1334537qbg; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:52:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <73196482-4CE6-4A7A-BFE1-4A0A4FFEA1FB@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> <73196482-4CE6-4A7A-BFE1-4A0A4FFEA1FB@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Pis3NL1H5tgYVYwiHF-_hCNDSJ7_Yzrqd9r422jQr2rM72T6UV3yQKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > What am I forgetting? > I think there was one put in at SFO somewhere in there. Yeah, Villain (2000). There's also Meteor opening this year at Little A-Merrick-A and if we might as well include Twisted Twins (1998) at SFKK, Zach's Zoomer (1994) at MIA, and Teddy Bear (1998) at Stricker's. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed May 17 09:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20714 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 16:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 16:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 16:59:37 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so252538uge for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr249874huq; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0605170959p8d9d7aao1a0284c563aed65d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <845B43D2-D3DE-4F7F-BF4E-1C88C79B99AA@buzzneon.com> <73196482-4CE6-4A7A-BFE1-4A0A4FFEA1FB@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question for Cameron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=WOmnjRi8qyKyb08m4X3wG1XVjuH6fxxXKmZBXVJ-EStwaJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it depends what exactly is midwest but Boss probaby sneaks in there, too. Adam On 5/17/06, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > What am I forgetting? > > > I think there was one put in at SFO somewhere in there. > > Yeah, Villain (2000). There's also Meteor opening this year at Little > A-Merrick-A and if we might as well include Twisted Twins (1998) at > SFKK, Zach's Zoomer (1994) at MIA, and Teddy Bear (1998) at > Stricker's. > > -Nate > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 17 15:03:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44642 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 22:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 22:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 22:03:35 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4HM3VZD028413 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:03:31 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 May 2006 17:03:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DF2130C-7040-4BA6-BFFB-26E76850D2E5@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:03:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2006 22:03:33.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF6DE60:01C679FD] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Thanks for the top tens! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=UQwDYMKHhba7CXq6v7if-RCoZ2DLjC5wSsNW1dbPRlRRUvVf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > and Cameron we're all pretty much coaster nerds in here aren't > we?? Haha. Oh I know .. it's fun to laugh about it! Although I seriously think this is one of the less nerdy coaster places to hang out.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** And now: * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A Walk In The Black Forest! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 17 15:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91198 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 22:06:25 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4HM6DRd028505 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:06:13 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 May 2006 17:06:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4B539DAC-8BDD-4E0E-A33A-66573E691343@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:06:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2006 22:06:15.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DE30870:01C679FE] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: NEWS: Thieves steal a roller-coaster! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=sxBUaRGQkhSBwtCYAiBecOMDAEYjX9-Xyfk4Xf1G7yW_fVAF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon AAhh .. Annanova, one of my favorite sites on the net, never fails to=20=20 amuse me! http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1846219.html > Thieves steal rollercoaster > > German police officers are asking for help in tracking down thieves=20=20 > who stole an entire rollercoaster. > > The 20 ton big dipper, worth more than =A313,000, was stolen from a=20=20 > truck that had stopped at a car park in Bischofsheim on its way to=20=20 > a nearby funfair. > > Local police officer Martin Gruber said: "In all the years on the=20=20 > job I have never heard of a rollercoaster being stolen. > > "We've no idea what the thieves could possibly want with it, and=20=20 > are appealing to the public for help. The last thing we want is for=20=20 > amateurs to try putting it together." Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Danger * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Danger * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 17 15:16:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62975 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 22:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 22:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 22:16:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2006 22:15:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:15:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ojkhm7fzTfmCuFib-EPDsOymnB8WJzU8FhAlAA33jihjHH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, I'm needing a few definition: 1) George, Full-full, and Half-half -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > I got off work about 2 this afternoon and hauled up to Fuji-Q in just > under two hours. I shot off a bunch of pictures, and a little video > too. I've posted the pictures at TPR (as usual) and once I've figured > out how to get the video off my camera, into my PC, edited and > uploaded to TPR, I'll let you all know.=20 > Anyhoo, here's the pictures: >=20 > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D401 > Enjoy! > Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 17 16:21:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61051 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 23:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 23:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 23:21:38 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FgVKk-0006sF-0N for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: <446BB007.2030302@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:21:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caeb9b520bd3b7447e08634f5e222f89c7b1099230ce7354350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QDieV7nmrLnM9OREwpe5EpZ0che8LAYyZRo247C7R1UfgkM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > Chris, > I'm needing a few definition: > 1) George, Full-full, and Half-half 1. I'm George 2. Full-full is how you feel after Thanksgiving dinner 3. Half-half is what you put in your coffee in a feeble attempt to make it taste decent. Any other questions? :P Seriously though, not sure about the first part, but the others are fairly easy to explain. Remember that a 4d has 2 different points of rotation- the track can rotate/ invert, and so can the seats. So a full-full would be there the track does a full rotation at the same time as the seats do their own separate inversion. A half-half is one half rotation of the seats and a half roation of the track. Or think of it as half a backflip or forward flip at the same time as you're doing a twist to the side. Hope that helps. Keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed May 17 16:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58886 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 23:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 23:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 23:30:24 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t12so16451wxc for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.73.8 with SMTP id v8mr1477887wxa; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.1 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:23 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <446BB007.2030302@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <446BB007.2030302@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.203 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=pJJMQZdyxNL4feVB4BGEVRkG2QTaMAtG-p1nG4DGbNMWLoDGbUNQWoc X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Seriously though, not sure about the first part, but the others are >fairly easy to explain. I think George is the unusual four legged spider-like support piece in the photo where it's mentioned. On page 31 there was another photo of George sitting on the ground. Anyways, thanks for the updates. This is looking like a very fun ride. I just really hope it works out for S&S better than X did for Arrow. It seems like they've probably had enough time to sort out all the problems with the trains by now, so hopefully it's more successful. -- Ryan "Will not be changing his username to Eejanaikacoaster, regardless of how good it is" Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed May 17 19:45:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48003 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 02:43:31 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.223.c02f9a5 (15864) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8446bdf4733f; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:43:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:43:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B539DAC-8BDD-4E0E-A33A-66573E691343@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <446BDF48.3050801@aol.com> References: <4B539DAC-8BDD-4E0E-A33A-66573E691343@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Thieves steal a roller-coaster! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=LPNEMSVBvA4KMLOH5nFbt2AdCOB_Va4xHutdPyq5aeH0aZAVmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 5/17/2006, 6:06 PM: > > Local police officer Martin Gruber said: "In all the years on the > > job I have never heard of a rollercoaster being stolen. > > > > "We've no idea what the thieves could possibly want with it, and > > are appealing to the public for help. The last thing we want is for > > amateurs to try putting it together." Yeah, that or the folks at Vekoma :-) -- Nathan Brown (who shouldn't insult the company because he actually likes most of their rides) AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed May 17 20:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47032 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 03:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 03:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 03:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16867 invoked by uid 99); 18 May 2006 03:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060518035638.16866.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 17 May 2006 22:56:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.129.65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Thieves steal a roller-coaster! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=SWK0We9t_FqzEP8nXASBliFrDHYaOkx5moIgMxWOWYZsO_Uf X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 > > > The last thing we want is for > > > amateurs to try putting it together." > > Yeah, that or the folks at Vekoma :-) > > -- > Nathan Brown And of course it should be obvious what ride Nathan is talking about! Dave Rounds From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu May 18 09:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34118 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 16:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 16:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 16:25:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:24:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: The Amazing Race X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=kYF22z9Thw3Pr4BgxeJJL5QgoRfxsCEQIKYKNdHGzG23jaaZS-_p X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani So, how many folks watched the 2-hour season finale of The Amazing=20 Race last night? The racers went to Japan and drove to Fujikyu=20 Highlands park, where one member of each team had to ride, in order, a=20 Giant Frisbee called the Pizza, Dodonpa, and Fujiyama. All the while,=20 the competitor had to be on the lookout, while riding, for a guy=20 holding a big sign telling them their next clue. Lots of good footage=20 of the rides; the competitors all had a lot of fun. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com (wedding photos up now) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 18 10:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99029 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 17:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 17:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.184) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 17:05:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2006 17:05:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:05:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <446BB007.2030302@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qVmcruz3lWlgEln388MBdvVClc9BicvyBaY_hDQzmD14s8s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Alan wrote: > > Chris, > > I'm needing a few definition: > > 1) George, Full-full, and Half-half >=20 > 1. I'm George > 2. Full-full is how you feel after Thanksgiving dinner > 3. Half-half is what you put in your coffee in a feeble attempt to=20 make=20 > it taste decent. > Any other questions? :P Ha ha HA! > Seriously though, not sure about the first part, but the others are=20 > fairly easy to explain. Remember that a 4d has 2 different points=20 of=20 > rotation- the track can rotate/ invert, and so can the seats. So a=20 > full-full would be there the track does a full rotation at the same=20 time=20 > as the seats do their own separate inversion. A half-half is one=20 half=20 > rotation of the seats and a half roation of the track. >=20 > Or think of it as half a backflip or forward flip at the same time=20 as=20 > you're doing a twist to the side. > Hope that helps. Now, that makes sense. As far as "George" goes, I kept looking for (you?) someone in the=20 picture, but it didn't make sense! Now Ryan may be right about the structure, even if that is true, I'd=20 still like to know what it means (or were the name came from). -Alan From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 18 15:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49066 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 22:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 22:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 22:11:44 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4IMBgHG012305 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01c67ac8$0d67c470$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:11:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Amazing Race X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mf9ipeLwUSv7ekRNuYKRocTlmrqFcGj9UooQGB5AIAAcyjDTXDCIpHfwZw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Anyone able to digitize this section of the show and make it available for download? ----- Original Message ----- From: "adamnvillani" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Amazing Race > So, how many folks watched the 2-hour season finale of The Amazing > Race last night? The racers went to Japan and drove to Fujikyu > Highlands park, where one member of each team had to ride, in order, a > Giant Frisbee called the Pizza, Dodonpa, and Fujiyama. All the while, > the competitor had to be on the lookout, while riding, for a guy > holding a big sign telling them their next clue. Lots of good footage > of the rides; the competitors all had a lot of fun. > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com (wedding photos up now) > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu May 18 16:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29208 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 23:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 23:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 23:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 35574 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2006 23:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060518233810.35572.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.248.181] by web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:38:10 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=INJjf1QBZqD-84kZwphlG6Ka4LRarDVgT94Wj6dsrTt3FBNwET_J X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is just what the park originally promised *not* to do, to appease the = neighbors. Nevertheless, I'm sure it will help bolster attendance. > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/living-1/114787030659880.x= ml?enwe < Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 18 18:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24877 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.192) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so377373nzp for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.112.8 with SMTP id k8mr1065581qbc; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:09:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060518233810.35572.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060518233810.35572.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LmBLnv2Ax9LrNmFW9VPmXPG4XhAqFQXuYbdXpw_c8Im9Nxs6Con7I6A X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This is just what the park originally promised *not* to do, to appease th= e > neighbors. Nevertheless, I'm sure it will help bolster attendance. Hmmm...I'm not sure when that was, but this isn't the first time they've had major concerts. In fact, they had a whole bunch of them last year. -Nate From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu May 18 23:53:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76893 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 06:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 06:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 06:53:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 16370 invoked by uid 99); 19 May 2006 06:53:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060519065329.16369.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 19 May 2006 01:53:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.129.65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=MqdCh9mb-EUmENjvdF5EMmcuyLLaQxmeyj7TBNKg-u2M5bTj X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I thought the parks were going to become more "family friendly". I do not know how they could do any concerts that would be a draw for the teenagers and still be a "family friendly" attraction. > This is just what the park originally promised *not* to do, to appease the neighbors. Nevertheless, I'm sure it will help bolster attendance. > > > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/living- 1/114787030659880.xml?enwe < > > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~- -> > Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Dave Rounds From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri May 19 02:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74952 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 09:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 09:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 09:11:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 09:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 09:11:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:11:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.203.171 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=IrLuZvDEAMS0nOroT547Dc6t2yY4yzs0RVqkvj_kIgPtTj07CA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 All right, I see what happens when I can't post here for a day or two! Everybody is all confused about 'George'. This tells me who actually looked at the last construction update I did about 8 April and announced here about the same time.=20 I, like many folks was trying to make interesting captions. I gave names to a few of the supports. (4 in all, I think.) I named one George, referring to a Bugs Bunny cartoon and specifically mentioning the line: "I will pet him and squeeze him and love him and call him George."=20 That particular support is extremely odd shaped, and I was very interested to see how it was used in the structure. When I returned and identified the place where it was used, I mentioned it by the name George.=20 I really didn't make a connection that there is a gent in this board named George, and I don't know of any 'regulars' on TPR with that name either.=20 Sorry for any confusion, but if y'all had read the last update I had done, you'd have got the joke.=20 :P Sorry, George Burnash, I wasn't referring to you.=20 Chris B (16 days until I fly to Amsterdam! Nagoya trips this and next weekend.) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > wrote: > > > > Alan wrote: > > > Chris, > > > I'm needing a few definition: > > > 1) George, Full-full, and Half-half > >=20 > > 1. I'm George > > 2. Full-full is how you feel after Thanksgiving dinner > > 3. Half-half is what you put in your coffee in a feeble attempt to=20 > make=20 > > it taste decent. > > Any other questions? :P >=20 > Ha ha HA! >=20 >=20 > > Seriously though, not sure about the first part, but the others are=20 > > fairly easy to explain. Remember that a 4d has 2 different points=20 > of=20 > > rotation- the track can rotate/ invert, and so can the seats. So a=20 > > full-full would be there the track does a full rotation at the same=20 > time=20 > > as the seats do their own separate inversion. A half-half is one=20 > half=20 > > rotation of the seats and a half roation of the track. > >=20 > > Or think of it as half a backflip or forward flip at the same time=20 > as=20 > > you're doing a twist to the side. > > Hope that helps. >=20 > Now, that makes sense. > As far as "George" goes, I kept looking for (you?) someone in the=20 > picture, but it didn't make sense! >=20 > Now Ryan may be right about the structure, even if that is true, I'd=20 > still like to know what it means (or were the name came from). >=20 > -Alan > From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri May 19 03:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91254 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 10:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 10:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 10:25:53 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fh2B5-0003Ge-90 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:25:51 -0400 Message-ID: <446D9D2E.9060804@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:25:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f982a62562c7b8afc56b1c470479049c0731dd79d7560965350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1ojvnVrUjmcCY3cSsE-OHfEwbxHlP4-oAJQZ6jN23_SZTIE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > All right, I see what happens when I can't post here for a day or two! > Everybody is all confused about 'George'. This tells me who actually > looked at the last construction update I did about 8 April and > announced here about the same time. > > I, like many folks was trying to make interesting captions. I gave > names to a few of the supports. (4 in all, I think.) I named one > George, referring to a Bugs Bunny cartoon and specifically mentioning > the line: "I will pet him and squeeze him and love him and call him > George." Oh, dur, that's right! I totally forgot about that. Part of my problem to is fairly often when I'm looking at a photo update, I'll skim through portions of them, meaning I may or may not read the captions. But I remember seeing that one. Just don't know why I didn't recall it at the time. > Sorry, George Burnash, I wasn't referring to you. I was sure you weren't. After all, mentioning me may as well have doomed your pictures to a fate that we wouldn't want to talk about. Better to keep them clean and safe. hehe keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri May 19 03:37:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73835 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 10:30:58 -0000 Received: from [72.40.79.144] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fh2Fr-00059t-En for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:30:47 -0400 Message-ID: <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:30:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060519065329.16369.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: <20060519065329.16369.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f982a62562c7b8af7172cde10a06c96f15d1fa0776ae062c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2DSqXn3avsHedNHAeqzhNwgRhD1f4ow8zG8SkSou_Baw77s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash David R. Rounds wrote: > I thought the parks were going to become more "family friendly". > I do not know how they could do any concerts that would be a draw for > the teenagers and still be a "family friendly" attraction. > It would depend on who they have in concert. I would certainly call Ravyn Symone and Jump5 family friendly. But then they tend to cater a bit towards the younger of the teen crowd. The rest- I guess I'm really out of touch with a lot of the music scene, as I didn't recognize a single name of the rest of them on that list, so I don't have a clue what they would be appealing to. Suddenly feeling old... George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri May 19 06:20:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25676 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 13:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 13:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.153) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 13:16:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21910 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 2006 13:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 13:16:49 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fh4qX-0002Yk-Hr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:16:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> References: <20060519065329.16369.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:21:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=68ntLHgFiPThHR3-fC3WLrnSvSObAYm698xMPCgnB0KJbyTgcj4x X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > David R. Rounds wrote: >> I thought the parks were going to become more "family friendly". >> I do not know how they could do any concerts that would be a draw for >> the teenagers and still be a "family friendly" attraction. >> > > It would depend on who they have in concert. I would certainly call > Ravyn Symone and Jump5 family friendly. But then they tend to cater a > bit towards the younger of the teen crowd. > > The rest- I guess I'm really out of touch with a lot of the music > scene, > as I didn't recognize a single name of the rest of them on that > list, so > I don't have a clue what they would be appealing to. > > Suddenly feeling old... SFGAd is a lot like Hershey with the acts they bring in, except not as many, and they're not as good, and SF doesn't normally charge admission. They seem to try to bring in a lot of older acts that draw non teen crowds, like a couple years ago they brought in Twisted Sister. Maybe not the most family friendly, but most of the crowd was 30 and 40+, not too many teens. I think the main problem is that a lot of bands and the production for the shows can run pretty expensive, and unless they charge ticket sales, its hard to make back the cost. Twisted Sister cost $50,000 from what the guy there said, and the concert was free for anyone in the park. Even more family friendly bands like Guster that my college brought in a year or two ago cost around $30,000, and with sound and lighting (since we didn't have a permanent stage in our hockey arena, and Guster didn't provide that), it wound up costing something like 70 or $80,000. Mike From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri May 19 07:15:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30958 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 14:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 14:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 14:03:30 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2a6.3b7f38a (15874) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e02446dd02025c; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:19 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <446DD027.3000903@aol.com> References: <20060519065329.16369.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ydIA2tyWH5VyBmmLN-yptc-76w-WBFtnrTuifvjA_P2NX9tDkA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mike wrote on 5/19/2006, 9:21 AM: > > David R. Rounds wrote: > >> I thought the parks were going to become more "family friendly". > >> I do not know how they could do any concerts that would be a draw for > >> the teenagers and still be a "family friendly" attraction. > >> > > > > It would depend on who they have in concert. I would certainly call > > Ravyn Symone and Jump5 family friendly. But then they tend to cater a > > bit towards the younger of the teen crowd. > > > > The rest- I guess I'm really out of touch with a lot of the music > > scene, > > as I didn't recognize a single name of the rest of them on that > > list, so > > I don't have a clue what they would be appealing to. > > > > Suddenly feeling old... > Me too George! > > SFGAd is a lot like Hershey with the acts they bring in, except not > as many, and they're not as good, and SF doesn't normally charge > admission. They seem to try to bring in a lot of older acts that > draw non teen crowds, like a couple years ago they brought in Twisted > Sister. Maybe not the most family friendly, but most of the crowd > was 30 and 40+, not too many teens. > > I think the main problem is that a lot of bands and the production > for the shows can run pretty expensive, and unless they charge ticket > sales, its hard to make back the cost. Twisted Sister cost $50,000 > from what the guy there said, and the concert was free for anyone in > the park. Even more family friendly bands like Guster that my > college brought in a year or two ago cost around $30,000, and with > sound and lighting (since we didn't have a permanent stage in our > hockey arena, and Guster didn't provide that), it wound up costing > something like 70 or $80,000. > > Mike Yup. I think the parks try to get a well rounded schedule, something to appeal to everyone. Just because SFI is trying for a more family friendly atmosphere does not mean they are going to have Troutfishing in America every week. GAdv does do a good job in this regard, between last week's Aly and AJ, which appeal to the tweens, Lee Greenwood, Hank Williams Jr. and Sara Evans in July and the Beach Boys and Foreigner in August, they put on some pretty good shows. Also, most of the shows are sponsered by local radio, which I'm sure helps defray a lot of the park's cost. The few concerts that are upcharges include park addmission with the ticket, and the ticket is usually cheaper then general addmission. There are also upgrade tickets for season passholders. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 19 08:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40244 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 15:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 15:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.87) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 15:48:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 15:47:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 15:47:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:47:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=lPufSZ-2XjLjzmnUaICKEUnUwyp1Ba9MsaGKz-edu5dwuxHDXeBA X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yeah, those mostly sound like family friendly events to me. As for=20 whether or not I'd want that stuff playing if I lived next door,=20 probably not. If they could get iron Maiden, Slayer, Mower, or the=20 like, that would be a little more friendly to *our* family! George wrote... >Suddenly feeling old... >George Hey George, remember this from almost 5 years ago? "Josh, why don't=20 you call your parents and let them know we're on our way back and=20 that we'll be home shortly." You been old for a long time my friend... AFLAC!!!! -Brian F. (Very proud of my fiance Janice, who yesterday joined the=20 ranks of xB owners!) From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 19 09:18:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79957 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 16:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 16:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 16:13:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 16:11:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:11:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Intamin Ball coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Y127skax6UuDEi5hzofAnTCD91Yo3cjC0VaVaUCK6qXJe5LsLEYg X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Can someone please tell me what this is?=20=20 AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 19 09:31:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7819 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.192) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 16:31:55 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so564640nzi for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.160.6 with SMTP id m6mr1564349qbo; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:28:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intamin Ball coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=2YtfLSEwTStIKId3LGfKH0MYWf2hNiPOvwgKV-jpIRMcu1nKl3xSouY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Can someone please tell me what this is? http://www.coastersandmore.de/rides/eas05/eas1.shtml Scroll down to the Intamin section. It's not what CP is getting. ;-) -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 19 09:33:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81815 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 16:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 16:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 16:33:00 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z6so477327nzd for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.131.18 with SMTP id e18mr1567089qbd; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:30:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <446D9E57.9060708@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=hQ2GxwhXARH558hBzmnHBcpvtVLA6tfuXWuj5rj6d6l7A_sk5hYHuJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Hey George, remember this from almost 5 years ago? I also remember, "Now, everyone grab one piece of trash from the van on your way out." Yup, definitely old. ;) -Nate From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri May 19 10:47:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5202 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 17:47:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 17:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 17:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 17:44:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:44:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.38.99 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=300gt1kzI12xeykuHafC0JYnIdaIu1u7oLNDIsRvPVJSTpW4-Dk X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred What matters most for shareholders of Cedar Fair is incredible. See=20 below! Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change Others seek revival of senior discount By HOMER BRICKEY BLADE SENIOR BUSINESS WRITER SANDUSKY - Even as executives hope lowered prices at Cedar Point will=20 boost attendance, shareholders of Cedar Fair LP were more concerned=20 yesterday about a perk than the firm's financial performance. Among an unusually large crowd of 175 at the company's annual=20 meeting, several shareholders questioned Chief Executive Dick Kinzel=20 about why a stockholder perk of a buy-one-get-one free admission=20 ticket to Cedar Point was changed this year to buy one night at=20 Castaway Bay indoor water park and get a second night free. One shareholder said he bought additional shares so that he could get=20 more of the 2-for-1 admissions for his family. "I'm too old for the [water] slides," he said. Many in the audience=20 applauded. Another shareholder shouted out: "You heard us." Several shareholders also collared Mr. Kinzel after the meeting to=20 implore him to restore the admission discount for shareholders. The park admission ticket is worth less than $40, whereas the=20 Castaway Bay extra night is worth $230 minimum. Mr. Kinzel told the shareholders that the firm wanted to introduce=20 its Sandusky water park to stockholders. Later, in an interview, he=20 said the discount on the water park is better for shareholders=20 generally. But the chairman of the company that owns seven amusement parks and=20 five water parks nationwide said the decision to drop the admission=20 price and some food prices at Cedar Point is a response to the=20 struggling Ohio and Michigan economies, where many park visitors live. The company sliced $5 off the entrance price for its flagship park on=20 the shores of Lake Erie, bringing the cost to $39.95 this year. It=20 hopes it will stem its drop in visitors last year, a decline of 2=20 percent to 3.1 million. The CEO also said he hopes the $9.95 admission price for seniors and=20 children, along with lower prices on some food, will "generate a lot=20 of excitement" and help boost attendance and revenue. After the meeting, Mr. Kinzel revealed Cedar Fair is considering=20 buying Kings Island, an amusement park near Cincinnati that was put=20 up for sale by its owner, CBS Corp. That park is one of five in CBS'=20 Paramount Parks division. http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060519/BUSINESS06/605190358 From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri May 19 12:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3014 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 19:08:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:08:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:08:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=zf0qqKVHKMnu9D2edJvqNmF4-KCPi47MuTJukvVDY7_kp0c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Hey George, remember this from almost 5 years ago? >=20 > I also remember, "Now, everyone grab one piece of trash from the van > on your way out." Yup, definitely old. ;) >=20 Alright, that's it. Now I gotta find my cane to teach you whippersnappers some respect for the aged! :P I mean really, you act like I was the only one on those trips that was a parent... er, wait. That's right, I was.=20=20 LOL. Thanks for the good laugh guys. I'm just starting to worry about what other stories are going to come out of that now... hehe keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 12:53:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6368 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 19:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 19:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 19:53:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:53:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:53:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:53:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement Park Debate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=l3fj6Xv3RzWhvEsPPvdHaWLrUOnGN_KAjwtp_lyyMQpckj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 19, 2006 WIBW-TV 13 http://www.wibw.com/news/headlines/2831441.html Wichita, KS -- The owners of Wichita's historic Joyland Amusement=20 Park have locked out the park's operating partners in a dispute over=20 renovations. Joyland owners Stanley and Margaret Nelson have changed the locks on=20 the park and obtained a court order keeping the park's operating=20 partners from entering. The park reopened on Easter Sunday with=20 limited attractions but has been closed since Friday. A spokeswoman for operators Michael Moodenbaugh and Robert Barnard=20 said the closing was not related to the dispute, and that they are=20 asking for the order to be lifted. There were new locks on the gates yesterday. The Nelsons say that Moodenbaugh had threatened to damage or remove=20 parts of the park, and that he and Barnard are $3,000 behind on=20 utility bills. --------- =A9 2002-2006 Gray Television Group, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 13:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98304 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 20:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 20:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 19:59:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 19:58:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:58:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Seabreeze park to open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gE6kRB2kqNibUtLiNPL-r3i3fQvIWi38mzeAHVx3oee9wKo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 18, 2006 The Democrat and Chronicle http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060518/ENT0602/605180321/1032/rss05 Rochester, NY -=97 Seabreeze amusement park =97 with its offering of such=20 longtime popular attractions as the Whirlwind, the Jack Rabbit, the=20 Carousel and the Sea Dragon =97 opens for the season Saturday. The park, at 4600 Culver Road, is open from noon to 6 p.m. Saturday and=20 Sunday. Admission to the Spring Fling Weekend is $9.95. (The water park=20 will not be open for another few weeks.) Regular daily season passes=20 will be $20.95 for adults and $16.95 for kids. For a schedule of days the park is open, call (585) 323-1900 or go to=20 www.seabreeze.com. --------- =A9 2006, The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 13:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37122 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 20:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 20:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 20:02:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:02:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:02:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Joyland lawsuit dismissed, ride repair resumes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9R4M7GccVr3lPTWIneppeKxtzwfYKPZfcsqkd05jyBBTaZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 19, 2006 Wichita Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2006/05/15/daily28.html? from_rss=3D1 by Ken Vandruff Wichita, KS -- Joyland Amusement Park's developers are back at work=20 repairing rides after a court order issued May 12 banning them from=20 the park was dismissed. Michael Moodenbaugh and Robert Barnard, partners in T-Rex Group, now=20 have a completed lease-purchase agreement with owners Stan and=20 Margaret Nelson. "The terms were satisfactory and will ensure the=20 future of Joyland," says John Woolf, Moodenbaugh's attorney. The 30-page document outlines that T-Rex will make lease payments to=20 the Nelsons for a specified length of time, then purchase the park at=20 2801 S. Hillside outright. Other details were not disclosed. At one=20 time, the park was listed on eBay with an asking price of $1.65=20 million. "It is unfortunate that this delay occurred, and (it) should=20 in no way reflect poorly on the T-Rex Group," said Stan Nelson in a=20 statement. The Nelsons received an injunction banning the developers from the=20 park and halting repairs being made to rides including the roller=20 coaster and "Wacky Shack" on May 12. In court documents, the Nelsons=20 claimed Moodenbaugh was not keeping up on utility payments. Moodenbaugh said the injunction stemmed from disagreements with the=20 Nelsons over the changes needed for the renovation. So far,=20 Moodenbaugh and Barnard have invested more than $250,000 in repairs=20 and renovations. "The list of improvements is significant but=20 attainable as long as no further delays are experienced," Moodenbaugh=20 said in a statement. "We are pleased with the agreed terms and=20 excited to bring Joyland back to Wichita." Joyland reopened in April for its traditional Easter Egg hunt, but=20 Moodenbaugh decided to close after 3 weekends to concentrate on=20 completing ride repair and park renovations. His goal is to reopen=20 the park Memorial Day weekend. ------- =A9 American City Business Journals Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 13:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91435 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 20:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 20:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 20:10:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:08:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:08:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:08:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: LeSourdsville Lake selling off rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pkQOVAjWlz3yiGMiaZgKpQAloIOHdHJvlEHr59dWUBFth6k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 19, 2006 The Enquirer http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060519/BIZ01/605190387/-1/rss BY MIKE BOYER Middletown, OH -- The owner of LeSourdsville Lake, a summer=20 recreation destination for generations of area residents, has begun=20 selling half the amusement park's rides, ending hopes of reopening=20 the park. Meanwhile, owner Jerry Couch is spending $2 million to expand his=20 camper sales and service business next door on SR-4 and SR-63. The 84-y.o. attraction, more recently known as Americana Amusement=20 Park, hasn't operated since 2002. Couch said it's getting increasingly expensive to keep many of the=20 rides that require annual repairs. "My days of maintaining 30 or more=20 rides are over," he said. Among the 15 rides Couch is selling through a Madison, Ind., broker=20 are the Serpent roller coaster, the Pirate Ship, Calypso, Tilt-A- Whirl and Scrambler. More permanent rides such as the merry-go-round and the water flume=20 will stay, and Couch said part of the park could still be resurrected=20 as a family picnic grove. A number of prospective purchasers have sought to buy the 50+ acre=20 park, but none have had the financing to complete the deal, he said. Couch is finishing up a 12,000-sq-ft sales and service building at=20 his adjoining Couch's Campers dealership and soon will begin=20 construction on a 30,000-sq-ft showroom. He's also planning to add up to 100 sites for overnight campers on=20 about 10 acres. The improvements are to be completed by next spring. ------------ Copyright 2006, Enquirer.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 13:15:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96522 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 20:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 20:15:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:14:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:14:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:14:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Students choose prom over trip to amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nEvpcXE3bK9pWo_nTWDuQGykq9BgS8dP3T82pnL3jrQ6S2s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 18, 2006 The Grand Rapids Press http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news- 2/11479636895770.xml&coll=3D6 By Janet Meana ALLENDALE TOWNSHIP, MI -- Prom or Michigan's Adventure, those were=20 the choices students at Allendale's New Options Alternative High=20 School had for the school's end-of-year trip. "We're supposed to have=20 prom; Michigan's Adventure will be there all summer," junior Alicia=20 Wilmoth said. The final decision -- the prom -- was made by the student council,=20 which then worked out details for the dinner and dance. "I was=20 impressed it was all student-coordinated," Principal Chuck Bailey=20 said. This was the first year students from New Options had the opportunity=20 to attend a prom. 6 alternative high schools in West Michigan worked=20 together, led by Kelloggsville's Discovery Alternative High School,=20 to make the evening a reality. Bailey said his students miss out on a lot of traditional high school=20 activities such as playing in the school band, or taking part in=20 sports. "It's tough because we're so small," he said. The school has=20 75 students. The prom was held at Brann's Catering in Wyoming, with a buffet=20 dinner and music by a DJ. About 160 students from the 6 schools attended, including 23 from New=20 Options. "It was a good time; we weren't in a school environment,"=20 junior Chris Rose said. Senior Shauna Peck would have preferred to go to Michigan's=20 Adventure, where she works, but she joined her friends for the=20 evening out. "It was better than I thought it would be," Peck said.=20 She was elected New Options' queen and Matt Lindsey was voted king. Junior Peggy Jo Spielmaker said to do it over again she wouldn't=20 spend the money on having her hair done. "It comes down the next day=20 and it's $40 down the drain." Bailey, who chaperoned the dance, said the evening was a typical high=20 school prom, with few problems. "I was proud of the kids. I was proud=20 of all the kids." --------- =A9 2006 Grand Rapids Press =A92006 MLive.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 19 13:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89047 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:48:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Another Spin for Carousels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wJjELRBSiJ5oMVYM1UVEBL9mi-WgsP6Hd62ncYSX7GA_f0E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 18, 2006 The Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi- 0605180025may18,1,7360459.story?track=3Drss By James Kimberly Brookfield, Ill. -- In a world of gigantic Imax theater screens,=20 chilling virtual reality video games and thrilling amusement park=20 rides that plummet and pitch, toss and terrorize, a leisurely=20 circular ride to organ music seems rather quaint. But in looking for something new to entertain and educate, Brookfield=20 and Lincoln Park Zoos have turned to something decidedly old: hand- carved wooden carousels. The zoos join several others nationwide in believing what's old is=20 new again, and that people are seeking simpler pleasures, generating=20 the biggest carousel buzz in 100 years, enthusiasts say. When Brookfield's carousel begins offering $2.50 rides May 27, the=20 zoos will have 2 of the 2 wooden carousels in Illinois. Kiddieland=20 Amusement Park in Melrose Park boasts a 1925 model. Brookfield is counting on the $2 million project, including one of=20 the largest carousels in the country, as another way to engage young=20 people. It will feature 72 animals -- from lions to kangaroos to=20 giraffes -- carved from basswood. Most of the animals can be found on=20 the zoo's 216 acres. Dr. Stuart Strahl, zoo director and president of the Chicago=20 Zoological Society, said the merry-go-round fits perfectly with=20 Brookfield's mission. "There are different ways to learn about=20 animals," Strahl said. "[One way] is to associate with an animal on a=20 carousel and associate that with an animal in the park." But whether for educational reasons, artistic sensibilities or=20 nostalgia, carousels appear to be galloping back into popularity -- particularly the hand-carved, finely detailed ones that ruled the=20 ride's heyday from 1885 until 1930. The National Carousel Association, which tracks such things, says=20 only 150 of the almost 4,000 wood-carved carousels that were in the=20 U.S. around the turn of the 20th Century still operate today. But the decline of carousels was not due to a falloff in popularity,=20 said Art Ritchie, a wood carver and co-owner of Carousel Works of=20 Mansfield, Ohio, which is making the carousel for Brookfield=20 Zoo. "They stopped making them because they ran out of craftsmen,"=20 Ritchie said. "Now, we're back." According to the NCA, 55 wood carousels have been built or=20 refurbished in the U.S. and Canada since 1980; 30 have been built=20 since 1994. NCA VP Jo Downey has her own theories about the low-tech ride's=20 renewed popularity in this high-tech age. "I wonder if it doesn't=20 have to do with the back-to-basics that happened after Sept. 11,"=20 Downey said. "There is just something about them. They're a good=20 stress reliever." The carousel comeback really began in the 1990s, Downey said, about=20 the time Navy Pier in Chicago brought back a carousel as part of its=20 redevelopment. "During the pier's golden age of the 1920s, there was=20 a carousel. It harks back to the pier's rich history," said=20 spokeswoman Marilynn Gardner. Many carousels use characters molded from fiberglass, aluminum or=20 some other materials, Downey said.But the growing popularity of wood- carved characters is exciting, she said. "They're each fashioned=20 individually. Each animal has a personality," Downey said. "They're=20 not a mold; they are pieces of art. "You can see the expression in=20 their faces; they look real." The double-decker Columbia Carousel at Six Flags Great America in=20 Gurnee with animals of molded fiberglass is a favorite of guests even=20 though it competes with some rather intense roller coasters, said=20 park spokesman Jim Taylor. "It's one of the things that everybody=20 does when they come out to the park," he said. "Carousels span=20 generations." The love affair with carousels remains strong for Peggy Sue and Rich=20 Seehafer of St. Charles, enthusiasts who restore aged characters in=20 their garage workshop. Rich Seehafer is a part-time woodcarver and a full-time Motorola=20 executive. Peggy Sue Seehafer is a painter and artist currently=20 restoring a herd of fiberglass carousel horses from the 56-y.o. merry- go-round at the Elk Grove Park District's Pirates Cove theme park. She has stripped off the primary colors painted on 25 years ago and=20 is giving them realistic coats and manes. "When I was a little girl,=20 I wouldn't want to ride a red horse, I would want to ride a horse- colored horse," Seehafer said. "I painted the eyes so they look real." She said understands the resurgent popularity of the carousel. "I've=20 always loved carousel animals because when I was little I could=20 pretend they were the real thing," she said. "They represent a time=20 and a place that are very nostalgic." ---------- Copyright =A9 2006, Chicago Tribune From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri May 19 14:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22961 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 21:34:01 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.42e.182139e (39332) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 17:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42e.182139e.319f93c2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:33:54 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: LeSourdsville Lake selling off rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=r0WjsXea_ViDalX_5-mqZSwrADf4eySEtTSSmD3s0eNSHQr_tw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is truly a sad thing to read. This park had great potential. My grandfather worked for Ed Streifthau back in the 1950's and helped lay concrete for this park when it was an up and coming family amusement park. They had one of most exciting airtime wooden coaster classics I've ever ridden. I went there many a time when I was a kid and rode it! In the latter part of the 1980's and 1990's, it had become more of a hang out for drug dealers and thugs and fell into disrepair. It looked as though in 2002, it had some hope with lots of refurbishments and repairs. Unfortunately, that fell apart at the end of that season. It will be ashame to see it gone. Nothing has been said about the Screechin Eagle, perhaps the family RV park will be able to run it and they can offer some family days to go there and ride it. Brian Neal, a sad ACEr to see the closing of his home park! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 19 18:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94002 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 01:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 01:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 01:13:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21673 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2006 01:13:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060520011314.21671.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.8.139] by web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:13:14 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:13:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1148041868.832.31550.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=j2VhfEYvqmgvCO9JQ0vZXr6B6S8xJO7UU8kBc92bALphl7WTpJpn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hmmm...I'm not sure when that was, but this isn't the first time they've had major concerts. < No. In fact, when the park was "Riverside: The Great Escape," they had a lot of them. And that's when the trouble started. My brother-in-law lived two miles from the park, and you could hear the concerts clear as day from his backyard. Plus, traffic was backed up all the way down Main Street in Agawam for hours on end. Kids were getting out of their cars and urinating on people's lawns. The residents complained loudly and forced the park to do away with concerts. But management still snuck a few concerts in each year. I'm not sure if they negotiated something with the residents or the city council. But this is the first time concerts have been so prominently advertised at Six Flags New England. And I agree, George: I don't know who half of the groups are. I'm just losing touch with pop culture.... Jay --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 19 18:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50745 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 01:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 01:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 01:40:09 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so420560nzn for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr245145qbq; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:40:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060520011314.21671.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1148041868.832.31550.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060520011314.21671.qmail@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fnUvWSCfGiyod3EQwB9ZH3i4iyegZK4Kpub83mOjtzGUIvF23lzOCtg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > But management still snuck a few concerts in each year. I'm not sure if = they > negotiated something with the residents or the city council. But this is= the first > time concerts have been so prominently advertised at Six Flags New Englan= d. Ah, that makes sense. I know they had at least a few concerts last year, but I have no idea how they were (or weren't) advertised. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 20 08:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32728 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 15:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 15:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 15:31:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 15:31:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 15:31:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:31:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <446D9D2E.9060804@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika Construction Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RuJ-5i3aiYeDFVMl_WE8u9UOivtE6N0i6TJKLum6icOfS5bLwg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I know that my construction updates are pretty long, but since it seems that I'm the only person in the world doing any of that coaster, I figure I need to be thorough for posterity! Sorry if I've been BORING you! ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Chris wrote: > > All right, I see what happens when I can't post here for a day or two! > > Everybody is all confused about 'George'. This tells me who actually > > looked at the last construction update I did about 8 April and > > announced here about the same time. > >=20 > > I, like many folks was trying to make interesting captions. I gave > > names to a few of the supports. (4 in all, I think.) I named one > > George, referring to a Bugs Bunny cartoon and specifically mentioning > > the line: "I will pet him and squeeze him and love him and call him > > George." >=20 > Oh, dur, that's right! I totally forgot about that. >=20 > Part of my problem to is fairly often when I'm looking at a photo=20 > update, I'll skim through portions of them, meaning I may or may not=20 > read the captions. But I remember seeing that one. Just don't know why=20 > I didn't recall it at the time. >=20 > > Sorry, George Burnash, I wasn't referring to you. >=20 > I was sure you weren't. After all, mentioning me may as well have=20 > doomed your pictures to a fate that we wouldn't want to talk about.=20 > Better to keep them clean and safe. hehe >=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill=20 > ride you'll never want to end. > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 20 08:43:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14281 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 15:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 15:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 15:42:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 15:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 15:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 15:41:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:41:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=nlqR-rAQhk1T0tpe7BhNs3kzgeIeuK00saF0fbiDXHBjJEELkw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred" wrote: > After the meeting, Mr. Kinzel revealed Cedar Fair is considering=20 > buying Kings Island, an amusement park near Cincinnati that was put=20 > up for sale by its owner, CBS Corp. That park is one of five in CBS'=20 > Paramount Parks division. Whoah! This was the big news for me> They want to own the big three of Ohio. I'm not even sure if that's good. I'm sure it isn't good news for the Beast, but I've heard that's been getting shoddy treatment anyway. Chris B From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat May 20 12:13:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52033 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 19:12:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2006 19:11:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:11:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=gAWK5RO_rV0A3ZhJR2JXGtg2ayucei04Pu9YElDhyDQkfH0tSg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred" > wrote: > > After the meeting, Mr. Kinzel revealed Cedar Fair is considering=20 > > buying Kings Island, an amusement park near Cincinnati that was put=20 > > up for sale by its owner, CBS Corp. That park is one of five in CBS'=20 > > Paramount Parks division. >=20 > Whoah! This was the big news for me> They want to own the big three of > Ohio. I'm not even sure if that's good. I'm sure it isn't good news > for the Beast, but I've heard that's been getting shoddy treatment anyway= . If the park is up for sale, i'm sure it wasn't getting good treatment, they= obviously don't care=20 anymore if they're willing to sell it. The last few times I rode it, I could tell it was getting rough (not as rou= gh as Mean Streak, but=20 still rough) From gregleg@gregleg.com Sat May 20 14:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96036 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 21:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 21:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 21:11:34 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k4KLBQXV009727 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:11:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c67c51$f8fddde0$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZ8QY+QviAmbyFZTUKCnlvyQL3rvwAECcfw X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=9O83j-HMk6AYLt-4QdYUSLJFGIkH_A2sgE_0qPYvCV66dPw X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > If the park is up for sale, i'm sure it wasn't getting good treatment, > they obviously don't care anymore if they're willing to sell it. It's not just King's Island that's for sale; Paramount wants out of the amusement park business, ALL the parks are on the market (apparently preferably as a unit). Cedar Fair has long been rumored to be one of the top candidates as the buyer. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat May 20 16:18:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93703 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 23:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 23:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sancho.theramp.net) (64.254.192.15) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 23:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22750 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2006 23:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (64.254.223.22) by sancho with SMTP; 20 May 2006 23:18:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D03866B-F2F9-4D0B-A267-AB698E51D9A3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:18:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.192.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=X06nQ5RFdVZ_3AFRFKa7SC7vGsyPewQT-RhiCd3S3AMagIaS X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > If the park is up for sale, i'm sure it wasn't getting good > treatment, they obviously don't care > anymore if they're willing to sell it. I'd think the complete opposite. Before selling a house you typically repaint, fix the cracks in the basement, replace the dead plants, clean, new shower faucet etc .. I bet a park is the same way. (The year before Six Flags Great America tried to replace whizzer, they rehabbed all the trains and painted the whole ride..). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 20 17:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68548 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 00:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 00:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.57) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 00:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2006 00:43:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060521004333.20290.qmail@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.247.209] by web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:33 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1148127963.2025.72415.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Joyland and LeSourdsville news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cp6-Y4rnkPeJ7hpacY4cuhMeWOUnGk4k0ggQZC27gMqqGWGkhR9V X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 19, 2006 WIBW-TV 13 http://www.wibw.com/news/headlines/2831441.html Wichita, KS -- The owners of Wichita's historic Joyland Amusement=20 Park have locked out the park's operating partners in a dispute over=20 renovations. Joyland owners Stanley and Margaret Nelson have changed the locks on=20 the park and obtained a court order keeping the park's operating=20 partners from entering. The park reopened on Easter Sunday with=20 limited attractions but has been closed since Friday. A spokeswoman for operators Michael Moodenbaugh and Robert Barnard=20 said the closing was not related to the dispute, and that they are=20 asking for the order to be lifted. There were new locks on the gates yesterday. The Nelsons say that Moodenbaugh had threatened to damage or remove=20 parts of the park, and that he and Barnard are $3,000 behind on=20 utility bills. --------- =EF=BF=BD 2002-2006 Gray Television Group, Inc. Subject: NEWS: Joyland lawsuit dismissed, ride repair resumes May 19, 2006 Wichita Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2006/05/15/daily28.html? from_rss=3D1 by Ken Vandruff Wichita, KS -- Joyland Amusement Park's developers are back at work=20 repairing rides after a court order issued May 12 banning them from=20 the park was dismissed. Michael Moodenbaugh and Robert Barnard, partners in T-Rex Group, now=20 have a completed lease-purchase agreement with owners Stan and=20 Margaret Nelson. "The terms were satisfactory and will ensure the=20 future of Joyland," says John Woolf, Moodenbaugh's attorney. The 30-page document outlines that T-Rex will make lease payments to=20 the Nelsons for a specified length of time, then purchase the park at=20 2801 S. Hillside outright. Other details were not disclosed. At one=20 time, the park was listed on eBay with an asking price of $1.65=20 million. "It is unfortunate that this delay occurred, and (it) should=20 in no way reflect poorly on the T-Rex Group," said Stan Nelson in a=20 statement. The Nelsons received an injunction banning the developers from the=20 park and halting repairs being made to rides including the roller=20 coaster and "Wacky Shack" on May 12. In court documents, the Nelsons=20 claimed Moodenbaugh was not keeping up on utility payments. Moodenbaugh said the injunction stemmed from disagreements with the=20 Nelsons over the changes needed for the renovation. So far,=20 Moodenbaugh and Barnard have invested more than $250,000 in repairs=20 and renovations. "The list of improvements is significant but=20 attainable as long as no further delays are experienced," Moodenbaugh=20 said in a statement. "We are pleased with the agreed terms and=20 excited to bring Joyland back to Wichita." Joyland reopened in April for its traditional Easter Egg hunt, but=20 Moodenbaugh decided to close after 3 weekends to concentrate on=20 completing ride repair and park renovations. His goal is to reopen=20 the park Memorial Day weekend. ------- =EF=BF=BD American City Business Journals Inc. Subject: NEWS: LeSourdsville Lake selling off rides May 19, 2006 The Enquirer http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060519/BIZ01/605190387/-1/rss BY MIKE BOYER Middletown, OH -- The owner of LeSourdsville Lake, a summer=20 recreation destination for generations of area residents, has begun=20 selling half the amusement park's rides, ending hopes of reopening=20 the park. Meanwhile, owner Jerry Couch is spending $2 million to expand his=20 camper sales and service business next door on SR-4 and SR-63. The 84-y.o. attraction, more recently known as Americana Amusement=20 Park, hasn't operated since 2002. Couch said it's getting increasingly expensive to keep many of the=20 rides that require annual repairs. "My days of maintaining 30 or more=20 rides are over," he said. Among the 15 rides Couch is selling through a Madison, Ind., broker=20 are the Serpent roller coaster, the Pirate Ship, Calypso, Tilt-A- Whirl and Scrambler. More permanent rides such as the merry-go-round and the water flume=20 will stay, and Couch said part of the park could still be resurrected=20 as a family picnic grove. A number of prospective purchasers have sought to buy the 50+ acre=20 park, but none have had the financing to complete the deal, he said. Couch is finishing up a 12,000-sq-ft sales and service building at=20 his adjoining Couch's Campers dealership and soon will begin=20 construction on a 30,000-sq-ft showroom. He's also planning to add up to 100 sites for overnight campers on=20 about 10 acres. The improvements are to be completed by next spring. ------------ Copyright 2006, Enquirer.com =09=09 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save = big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 20 20:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31990 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 03:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 03:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 03:41:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 03:41:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 03:41:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 03:41:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 03:41:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: VTR: A short video of Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=R7FpJB15i3vxS1D8LYwCfxpV0VAbDWIHBukalaVGHmoe5mQw0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hey! I shot a little video while walking around Eejanaika last week. I uploaded it at: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D430 Let me know how it looks. I'm after constructive criticism from you, the enthusiasts I've "known" the longest. I just wish that I had a more stable hand and was smoother with the zoom.=20 Chris B From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat May 20 21:19:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48481 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-59.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.39) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 9472 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-10.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.10] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FhfPv-0005rV-99 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:19:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:23:52 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.10 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Random: Some SF Website Notes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ZwYk0_CREmh4ul9OCR2tX7OY4J7xbeeSeLGXue2LvEQ_DVXdUlU2 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I was browsing around the SF website before looking for the SFGAd hours of operation, and noticed they have an online ticket price of 39.99 for the park (the regular is 59.99). Some of the other parks, like SFGAm and SFMM, also have a discount if you buy the tickets online, and it brings the price closer to 40.00$. I'm not sure if those are the best discounts out there, but it's much more reasonable than what they charge at the gate if any of your friends were heading to one. They also look like they raised the Season pass prices to $99.99. I'm not sure if they've always done this after April or May... but I think 100$ is around where they should be, I have no clue why they were like 65$ a couple years ago for some early discount, or something like that I remember paying. Also, this is probably old news, but there is a note up on the SFGAd site that says Kingda Ka is 'Temporarily Closed' on the rides and attractions page (http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/Rides/ index.html). I'm not sure how frequently it's updated, but I'd imagine they'd take it down ASAP after the ride opens... Mike From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun May 21 08:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5954 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2006 15:09:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:09:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c67c51$f8fddde0$0600a8c0@raven> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=gBde2x0nDmlTenkhSLAV4ivoyysgNeq8f3vX8GEXc0tFEFR3OUPGkGW-Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski"=20 wrote: > It's not just King's Island that's for sale; Paramount wants out of=20 the > amusement park business, ALL the parks are on the market (apparently > preferably as a unit). Cedar Fair has long been rumored to be one=20 of the > top candidates as the buyer. aside from disney, is there anyone else who could buy the parks? i=20 cant imagine univeral or busch taking them, and obviously SF isnt=20 buying anything. they dont seem to be big on expanding to other parks.=20 id hate to see the paramount parks sit and decay. how badly does=20 paramount want out? will they hold on until someone buys them, or will=20 they eventually just close them? and would CF really do that bad of a=20 job? id rather see them ran by CF than no one at all.=20 From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sun May 21 08:47:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49161 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 15:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 15:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 15:47:35 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (52-135.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.135.52]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4LFlRFY014399 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 11:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c67ced$df1c3920$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:47:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=RK5me0NOfnai0jqXDugCGAuXUf5VLz8-c11yyNATrr0MnhvhgFPA X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl I've heard rumors, and they are only rumors, that Blackstone Group with some other investors could be interested in the chain. I'm going to show my age here as I remember growing up my dad telling me the owners or people with an interest in SFI was Blackstone group back in the 70's. Isn't Blackstone owners of the Legoland chain???? I wouldn't put it past a major investment group buying the chain. Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski" wrote: > It's not just King's Island that's for sale; Paramount wants out of the > amusement park business, ALL the parks are on the market (apparently > preferably as a unit). Cedar Fair has long been rumored to be one of the > top candidates as the buyer. aside from disney, is there anyone else who could buy the parks? i cant imagine univeral or busch taking them, and obviously SF isnt buying anything. they dont seem to be big on expanding to other parks. id hate to see the paramount parks sit and decay. how badly does paramount want out? will they hold on until someone buys them, or will they eventually just close them? and would CF really do that bad of a job? id rather see them ran by CF than no one at all. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun May 21 08:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53272 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-07.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.207) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 15:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 1465 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2006 15:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 15:50:56 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-10.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.10] helo=[192.168.1.46]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FhqCm-0002BO-VH for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 May 2006 09:50:57 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BF1D3EF-965A-46E5-9703-25684A3CC10D@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:55:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.10 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=hxuOHQVYaggkcCJy4nE28uI9m7eCWO4JUD2xwm3wvAGerEc8ZGMx X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > aside from disney, is there anyone else who could buy the parks? i > cant imagine univeral or busch taking them, and obviously SF isnt > buying anything. they dont seem to be big on expanding to other parks. > > id hate to see the paramount parks sit and decay. how badly does > paramount want out? will they hold on until someone buys them, or will > they eventually just close them? and would CF really do that bad of a > job? id rather see them ran by CF than no one at all. I think CF would be perfect for them. Every CF park I've been to has one or two rides that are good, and the rest are mediocre at best. And they don't have any coherent themes, yet everyone still thinks the parks are great. Kings Island and Kings Dominion are exactly like this. Mike From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 21 08:53:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80203 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4LFrKQl018537 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 11:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <045701c67cee$b4301af0$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c67ced$df1c3920$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:53:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=cOpvhWNDwTVxstIYcHE8QskE0RzFLc_dZjgNziEA8cOGkmJmx-AxKRuZCg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Blackstone was apparently a major parter/investor in Six Flags back in the days before Time Warner bought up the whole thing. Blackstone also owns 50% of Universal Orlando. They own the Legoland chain under their Merlin Entertainment brand that they bought last year as well which has an assortment of small attactions around Europe too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "THUNDER7NYFL" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change > I've heard rumors, and they are only rumors, that Blackstone Group with > some > other investors could be interested in the chain. I'm going to show my > age > here as > I remember growing up my dad telling me the owners or people with an > interest in SFI was Blackstone group back in the 70's. Isn't Blackstone > owners of the Legoland chain???? I wouldn't put it past a major > investment > group buying the chain. > > Joe > Tampa, FL > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:09 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest > free-ticket change > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski" > wrote: > >> It's not just King's Island that's for sale; Paramount wants out of > the >> amusement park business, ALL the parks are on the market (apparently >> preferably as a unit). Cedar Fair has long been rumored to be one > of the >> top candidates as the buyer. > > > aside from disney, is there anyone else who could buy the parks? i > cant imagine univeral or busch taking them, and obviously SF isnt > buying anything. they dont seem to be big on expanding to other parks. > > id hate to see the paramount parks sit and decay. how badly does > paramount want out? will they hold on until someone buys them, or will > they eventually just close them? and would CF really do that bad of a > job? id rather see them ran by CF than no one at all. > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Theme park > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sun May 21 09:07:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84122 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 16:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 16:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 16:07:26 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (52-135.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.135.52]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4LG7MGd012218 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01c67cf0$a77cff60$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <000601c67ced$df1c3920$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <045701c67cee$b4301af0$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:07:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=X7OKm1ac6CD9cl8OdzMq0o4lM0rGqhDAect-JDiWckkqK_Giimtj X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Thanks for confirming the information, Lance. Glad to see you're back online. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Hart" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change > Blackstone was apparently a major parter/investor in Six Flags back in the > days before Time Warner bought up the whole thing. Blackstone also owns > 50% > of Universal Orlando. They own the Legoland chain under their Merlin > Entertainment brand that they bought last year as well which has an > assortment of small attactions around Europe too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THUNDER7NYFL" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest > free-ticket change > > >> I've heard rumors, and they are only rumors, that Blackstone Group with >> some >> other investors could be interested in the chain. I'm going to show my >> age >> here as >> I remember growing up my dad telling me the owners or people with an >> interest in SFI was Blackstone group back in the 70's. Isn't Blackstone >> owners of the Legoland chain???? I wouldn't put it past a major >> investment >> group buying the chain. >> >> Joe >> Tampa, FL >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Nelson" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:09 AM >> Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest >> free-ticket change >> >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski" >> wrote: >> >>> It's not just King's Island that's for sale; Paramount wants out of >> the >>> amusement park business, ALL the parks are on the market (apparently >>> preferably as a unit). Cedar Fair has long been rumored to be one >> of the >>> top candidates as the buyer. >> >> >> aside from disney, is there anyone else who could buy the parks? i >> cant imagine univeral or busch taking them, and obviously SF isnt >> buying anything. they dont seem to be big on expanding to other parks. >> >> id hate to see the paramount parks sit and decay. how badly does >> paramount want out? will they hold on until someone buys them, or will >> they eventually just close them? and would CF really do that bad of a >> job? id rather see them ran by CF than no one at all. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Don't forget our group site at >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Don't forget our group site at >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> >> >> >> SPONSORED LINKS Theme park >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. >> >> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From bethtoons@gmail.com Sun May 21 17:34:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22625 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 00:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 00:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 00:34:18 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1057313ugf for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.16 with SMTP id 16mr1008940huw; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.14 with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605211734r3c79e098id9e48c6c582fb0dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:34:17 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: NEWS: Accident on Valleyfair's Wild Thing leaves several injured X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=qHZ1Udy2QBM4-uwsU-SSE5c8XVi19GIWX1YfhzkS1LreMaIr X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons They keep updating the article, so check back... but at this point it looks like around 4pm central time today the back car of the train separated and tipped on the brake run of Wild Thing. http://wcco.com/local/local_story_141180956.html 18 Injured On Valleyfair's Wild Thing (AP) Eighteen people suffered minor injuries in an accident on the Wild Thing roller coaster at the Valleyfair amusement park Sunday, authorities and park officials said. Fourteen people were taken to St. Francis Regional Medical Center in Shakopee, while four refused medical attention, officials said. Medics on the scene initially said 11 of those hurt were classified as having minor injuries and six were considered walking wounded. An 18th person came forward later, park spokesman Bill Von Bank said. Details on the injuries were not immediately available, but all those taken to the hospital were being treated and released, Von Bank said. The rear car on one of the roller coaster's ride trains separated from the others about 4:25 p.m. at a point where the trains slow down as they enter the ride station, Von Bank said. The Wild Thing reaches speeds of up to 74 mph, but it would have been braking and going much slower at that point, he said. The car came to rest tipped partially on its side but did not fall to the ground. Park officials covered it with an orange tarp. The rear car of those that remained attached to the train appeared from aerial video to be slightly off the track. Valleyfair said its maintenance officials were investigating the accident, but that it was too early to determine why the car separated from the others. Von Bank said the Wild Thing had been in operation for 10 years without any similar problems. He said the park would contact testing companies, the ride manufacturer and independent consultants as it investigates. The Wild Thing will remain closed until further notice, but it's not clear how long that will be, the spokesman said. The amusement park itself remained open. Valleyfair is owned by Cedar Fair LP, of Sandusky, Ohio. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 21 18:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46857 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sancho.theramp.net) (64.254.192.15) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 01:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 27652 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2006 01:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (64.254.223.22) by sancho with SMTP; 22 May 2006 01:12:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30605211734r3c79e098id9e48c6c582fb0dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30605211734r3c79e098id9e48c6c582fb0dc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9ACF1114-B92C-4EA5-8462-0B493FF8521D@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:12:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.192.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Accident on Valleyfair's Wild Thing leaves several injured X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=t2QgXKUc-xL5U8llW-bvr0fIGBmciJD-fz_au149qg5bDyCa X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, I'm curious about how 18 people can be injured when only one car (holding 6 people) malfunctions. I think there is some important information that either isn't being reported, or has been exaggerated. Cameron. On May 21, 2006, at 19:34, Beth Aslakson wrote: > They keep updating the article, so check back... but at this point it > looks like around 4pm central time today the back car of the train > separated and tipped on the brake run of Wild Thing. > > http://wcco.com/local/local_story_141180956.html > > 18 Injured On Valleyfair's Wild Thing > > (AP) Eighteen people suffered minor injuries in an accident on the > Wild Thing roller coaster at the Valleyfair amusement park Sunday, > authorities and park officials said. > > Fourteen people were taken to St. Francis Regional Medical Center in > Shakopee, while four refused medical attention, officials said. Medics > on the scene initially said 11 of those hurt were classified as having > minor injuries and six were considered walking wounded. An 18th person > came forward later, park spokesman Bill Von Bank said. > > Details on the injuries were not immediately available, but all those > taken to the hospital were being treated and released, Von Bank said. > > The rear car on one of the roller coaster's ride trains separated from > the others about 4:25 p.m. at a point where the trains slow down as > they enter the ride station, Von Bank said. The Wild Thing reaches > speeds of up to 74 mph, but it would have been braking and going much > slower at that point, he said. > > The car came to rest tipped partially on its side but did not fall to > the ground. Park officials covered it with an orange tarp. The rear > car of those that remained attached to the train appeared from aerial > video to be slightly off the track. > > Valleyfair said its maintenance officials were investigating the > accident, but that it was too early to determine why the car separated > from the others. > > Von Bank said the Wild Thing had been in operation for 10 years > without any similar problems. He said the park would contact testing > companies, the ride manufacturer and independent consultants as it > investigates. > > The Wild Thing will remain closed until further notice, but it's not > clear how long that will be, the spokesman said. The amusement park > itself remained open. > > Valleyfair is owned by Cedar Fair LP, of Sandusky, Ohio. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Home is just a click away. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 21 18:17:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20105 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 01:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 01:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sancho.theramp.net) (64.254.192.15) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 01:17:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 31782 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2006 01:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (64.254.223.22) by sancho with SMTP; 22 May 2006 01:17:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:17:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.192.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] VTR: A short video of Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=U-wdP1HhRRMC-dgrqsXjp5Jwnj8J1w2z8saRe6st9gUHZluC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Nice video, thanks! Cameron. On May 20, 2006, at 22:41, Chris wrote: > Hey! I shot a little video while walking around Eejanaika last week. I > uploaded it at: > > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21000&start=430 > > Let me know how it looks. I'm after constructive criticism from you, > the enthusiasts I've "known" the longest. I just wish that I had a > more stable hand and was smoother with the zoom. > > Chris B > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy > technology. It's free. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Sun May 21 19:07:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52996 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 02:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 02:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 02:07:57 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so1272963ugc for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 19:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr1013834hua; Sun, 21 May 2006 19:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.14 with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 19:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605211907g793dddc8u4c90b06cf8a21547@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:07:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9ACF1114-B92C-4EA5-8462-0B493FF8521D@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30605211734r3c79e098id9e48c6c582fb0dc@mail.gmail.com> <9ACF1114-B92C-4EA5-8462-0B493FF8521D@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Accident on Valleyfair's Wild Thing leaves several injured X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=sjpOfKgR4SG6fu98pmsi361RLQxgw3UVSsOgBDG8lzK_HUTz X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'm wondering if there was any residual effect to the rest of the train when the one car separated... I would assume the 6 "walking wounded" were the ones in that car, while the rest were just in the train when it happened. On 5/21/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hey, > > I'm curious about how 18 people can be injured when only one car > (holding 6 people) malfunctions. I think there is some important > information that either isn't being reported, or has been exaggerated. > > Cameron. > > > On May 21, 2006, at 19:34, Beth Aslakson wrote: > > > They keep updating the article, so check back... but at this point it > > looks like around 4pm central time today the back car of the train > > separated and tipped on the brake run of Wild Thing. > > > > http://wcco.com/local/local_story_141180956.html > > > > 18 Injured On Valleyfair's Wild Thing > > > > (AP) Eighteen people suffered minor injuries in an accident on the > > Wild Thing roller coaster at the Valleyfair amusement park Sunday, > > authorities and park officials said. > > > > Fourteen people were taken to St. Francis Regional Medical Center in > > Shakopee, while four refused medical attention, officials said. Medics > > on the scene initially said 11 of those hurt were classified as having > > minor injuries and six were considered walking wounded. An 18th person > > came forward later, park spokesman Bill Von Bank said. > > > > Details on the injuries were not immediately available, but all those > > taken to the hospital were being treated and released, Von Bank said. > > > > The rear car on one of the roller coaster's ride trains separated from > > the others about 4:25 p.m. at a point where the trains slow down as > > they enter the ride station, Von Bank said. The Wild Thing reaches > > speeds of up to 74 mph, but it would have been braking and going much > > slower at that point, he said. > > > > The car came to rest tipped partially on its side but did not fall to > > the ground. Park officials covered it with an orange tarp. The rear > > car of those that remained attached to the train appeared from aerial > > video to be slightly off the track. > > > > Valleyfair said its maintenance officials were investigating the > > accident, but that it was too early to determine why the car separated > > from the others. > > > > Von Bank said the Wild Thing had been in operation for 10 years > > without any similar problems. He said the park would contact testing > > companies, the ride manufacturer and independent consultants as it > > investigates. > > > > The Wild Thing will remain closed until further notice, but it's not > > clear how long that will be, the spokesman said. The amusement park > > itself remained open. > > > > Valleyfair is owned by Cedar Fair LP, of Sandusky, Ohio. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > > ~--> > > Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun May 21 20:09:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27625 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 03:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 03:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-12.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 03:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9805 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2006 03:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 03:09:17 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-10.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.10] helo=[192.168.1.46]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi0nF-0005aw-CG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:09:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30605211907g793dddc8u4c90b06cf8a21547@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30605211734r3c79e098id9e48c6c582fb0dc@mail.gmail.com> <9ACF1114-B92C-4EA5-8462-0B493FF8521D@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30605211907g793dddc8u4c90b06cf8a21547@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:13:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.10 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: SFGAd Today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=_3-r6P3eq3KfEbXUFTEpDAm7465ZI-UG5J0pl9wPO0KcEqPi7AXl X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Just got back from SFGAd a little bit ago. Nathan's TR covered most of it, but some more small things for any of you interested in the park... - Nitro's third train is MIA. It wasn't on the ride, and wasn't in the maintenance house next to the ride. - Batman: The Ride was running, which was strange because just about every time I've been there in the past 2 years, an empty train has been stuck on the lift hill. I rode it, and while I was waiting for Nitro, a train got stuck on the lift hill... heh. - I totally take back when I said Colossus doesn't look good by the lake. It looks really great, can't wait to ride it. - I didn't see Kingda Ka running at all. - Like Nathan said, the landscaping around the park is really first class, and the park in general, especially the side to the left of the main gate, looks excellent. - At the parking booth, they gave me a pretty large poster of the park (40"x25" about), that was more cartoonish and nicer looking than the ones in the regular park guide. It also has the Looney Tunes and some DC comics characters all over it, and its pretty cool that they at least give you something nice for shelling out the insane 15$ to park there. Thats about it. Mike From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 21 22:18:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83880 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 05:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 05:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 05:18:35 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4M5INKU002172 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 01:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <043501c67d5f$2c9efd60$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c67ced$df1c3920$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <045701c67cee$b4301af0$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <000a01c67cf0$a77cff60$34877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 01:13:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair shareholders protest free-ticket change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=NXval434zxkj5MFfpwtOrFBL_53JmB-Qxu1_VFYV8aq-K7bobAv4M1NjAg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Thanks for confirming the information, Lance. Glad to see you're back > online. Glad to be back online, but I'm still sorting through a few hundred more emails... but after being offline for three weeks due to the move to Charlotte, I ended up with about 2000 emails... From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 21 23:51:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82318 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 06:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 06:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.74) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 06:51:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 06:51:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 06:51:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:51:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9ACF1114-B92C-4EA5-8462-0B493FF8521D@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Accident on Valleyfair's Wild Thing leaves several injured X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=g6T7cb-fHHWM6RexS25ZQiWeSkr4zekEPdoWCxQodgK-iBEC5w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > Hey, >=20 > I'm curious about how 18 people can be injured when only one car=20=20 > (holding 6 people) malfunctions. I think there is some important=20=20 > information that either isn't being reported, or has been exaggerated. >=20 > Cameron. These aren't trailered trains, so whatever happened, was bad enough to derail the train in at least three places (based on photos at the local TV station websites). The last car came completely off the track and if it wasn't at the brake run, probably would have ended up on the ground instead of tilted and between the rails. The fifth car in the train is partially derailed. The rear sets of wheels (Road, Upstop and Guide) are off the rails and that car is crooked on the track.=20 The folks in the back car are likely the 6 with the worst injury. Those in car #5 are probably in the same state. The remainder of the folks likely have some varying degree of whiplash or other back / neck injury when the train came to it's sudden unplanned stop.=20 All involved are incredibly fortunate that this happened right before the brake run. The front few cars actually are at the brakes. If it had occured any earlier, the last car would likely have gone flying off the track. It is possible that car #5 would have completely derailed as well. The story would have been "12 Dead, 24 Injured" if that had happened.=20 The big issue here is that this is the second time a Morgan "hyper" train has derailed. Steel Dragon 2000 partially derailed it's last car about three years ago, throwing a wheel assembly into the waterpark at Nagashima Spaland and killed a man on the ground. The riders there were also injured as the train came to a sudden halt mid-course.=20 It seems that it would be wise if the parks operating Steel Eel, Mamba, Steel Force, and Superman el Ultimo Escape get some x-rays taken of all the wheel assemblies on the trains before allowing them to dispatch. Phantom's Revenge should be OK, as I believe it is still using the Arrow trains, with the OTSR's removed.=20 Chris B From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon May 22 04:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81336 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 11:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 11:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 11:49:47 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:6908 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi8uw-0003uz-0D for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:49:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:49:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Wild Thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=JqWhEEfs-5PEi4ECBG8YqpUhBf8j7b6xwd6RBTs3_d4mE-qoGPUY0g X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Anyone going to be at any parks where other Morgan hypers run? Just wondering if they're all shut down until they figure out what happened at VF. From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon May 22 05:39:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26661 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 12:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 12:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 12:39:57 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k4MCdnXV002402 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:39:49 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c67d9c$d0a1c270$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcZ9bEXxMdrwx6dkQlmoFNdsorAGagAMDPhw X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Accident on Valleyfair's Wild Thing leaves several injured X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=wPIOLptebJJgZR8tiCqIt3QlkShpa8k20xBtqaE29TEVw0k X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Phantom's Revenge should be OK, as I believe it is still using the Arrow trains, with the OTSR's removed. It is indeed. If anyone hasn't been there (or has but wants to see what the shells looked like when they were delivered and not yet installed :) ) check the 5/7/2001 update (scroll down a bit ;) ) here: http://www.gregleg.com/coastershrine/Kennywood/prevenge.php From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon May 22 06:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65094 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 13:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 13:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 13:22:23 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1165458ugf for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr1095012huy; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.14 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605220622p2d07011fu4825eb0e7e09fd29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:22:20 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=XLQtX60Xf0KB-sr-48WRmPxLMK3K8NKZjN2u7FB8ND5nmJq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons W...O...W http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060522/nym129.html?.v=39 Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Paramount Parks Monday May 22, 8:58 am ET - One of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world - Combined annual revenues to approach $1 billion - Combined annual park attendance to approach 25 million visitors SANDUSKY, Ohio, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P. (NYSE: FUN - News), a publicly traded partnership which owns and operates seven amusement parks and five water parks, today announced that it has signed a definitive agreement for the acquisition of the Paramount Parks. Cedar Fair, L.P. will acquire the stock of Paramount Parks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS - News; NYSE: CBSA - News) for a cash purchase price of $1.24 billion. The five Paramount Parks consist of Canada's Wonderland near Toronto, Canada; King's Island near Cincinnati, Ohio; King's Dominion near Richmond, Virginia; Carowinds near Charlotte, North Carolina; and Great America located in Santa Clara, California. "This transaction offers a unique opportunity for us to acquire a world- class asset portfolio," said Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair's chairman, president and chief executive officer. "It is not every day that we have the chance to purchase five great family-oriented parks that fit extremely well with our existing parks. This acquisition will provide exciting new growth opportunities and the potential for meaningful incremental free cash flow as we realize $20-$30 million in annual cash flow synergies over the next 3-5 years. It will also add significant geographic diversity to our portfolio of parks and improve our position as one of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world." In 2005, the Paramount Parks generated revenues of approximately $423 million while entertaining 12.2 million guests. Cedar Fair reported $569 million in revenues and 12.7 million guest visits. On a combined basis, the two companies generated almost $1 billion in revenues and entertained approximately 25 million guests in 2005. The transaction is subject to conditions, including regulatory approval and other terms and conditions customary for transactions of this type, and is expected to close during the third quarter. Further details were not disclosed. Cedar Fair was advised by Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. and Rothschild, Inc., and Bear Stearns is providing $2.0 billion in committed financing in support of the transaction. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey LLP provided legal counsel to Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair's seven amusement parks are Cedar Point, located on Lake Erie between Cleveland and Toledo; Knott's Berry Farm near Los Angeles in Buena Park, California; Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom near Allentown, Pennsylvania; Valleyfair near Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota; Worlds of Fun, located in Kansas City, Missouri; Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near Cleveland, Ohio; and Michigan's Adventure near Muskegon, Michigan. The Partnership's water parks are located near San Diego and in Palm Springs, California, and adjacent to Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm and Worlds of Fun. Cedar Fair also owns and operates the Castaway Bay Indoor Waterpark Resort in Sandusky, Ohio. Cedar Fair's flagship park, Cedar Point, has been voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for eight consecutive years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. Mr. Kinzel will host two conference calls and webcasts to discuss the acquisition. The first call will be to answer investor and analyst questions and is to be held at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time on Monday, May 22, 2006. The second call to answer questions from the media as well as follow up on any additional questions from the investment community will be held at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time. These calls can be accessed at 1-800-231-5571. The live conference call and presentation slides may be accessed in "listen only" mode via the Cedar Fair web site (http://www.cedarfair.com). Both conference calls will be made available for replay starting at approximately 4:00 p.m. ET, Monday, May 22, 2006, until 11:59 p.m. ET, Monday, June 5, 2006. In order to access the replay of the conference call, please dial 1-877-519-4471 followed by the access code 7426624 for the investor call and access code 7426623 for the media call. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon May 22 08:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69381 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 14:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 14:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-18.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.233) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 14:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 24149 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2006 14:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 14:57:24 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FiBqW-0006aD-Qy for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:57:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30605220622p2d07011fu4825eb0e7e09fd29@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30605220622p2d07011fu4825eb0e7e09fd29@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42E33519-242D-48CB-9D30-995A9F6B2571@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=FrWR_jwSC6hcPswE33A3Xfkrch8hD-6ztTGUXtL6Xc-zzQCn3xut X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Paramount Parks > Monday May 22, 8:58 am ET > - One of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world > - Combined annual revenues to approach $1 billion > - Combined annual park attendance to approach 25 million visitors > > > SANDUSKY, Ohio, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P. > (NYSE: FUN - News), a publicly traded partnership which owns and > operates seven amusement parks and five water parks, today announced > that it has signed a definitive agreement for the acquisition of the > Paramount Parks. Cedar Fair, L.P. will acquire the stock of Paramount > Parks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS - > News; NYSE: CBSA - News) for a cash purchase price of $1.24 billion. I wonder if this will impact what Six Flags is doing at all. Or if Cedar Fair will go back to the original names, like Canada's Wonderland and Kings Island, or start to brand their parks like what Six Flags does. Pretty interesting though... Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 22 08:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29987 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4MFSmO9018608 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:28:48 -0500 Received: from [10.6.44.205] ([10.6.44.205]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:28:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30605220622p2d07011fu4825eb0e7e09fd29@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30605220622p2d07011fu4825eb0e7e09fd29@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:28:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2006 15:28:52.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E716BB0:01C67DB4] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=nZH449SIeiWJmvnHnnG2U13iu2qp6pPzFpjQvy4KcsuM9CUi X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Wow .. Cedar Fair expanding, while Six Flags is purging. It will be interesting to see if Cedar Fair ends up in the same mess that Six Flags is now trying to recover from. Still, this is pretty exciting .. and I'm not even a Cedar Fair fan! Cameron. On May 22, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > W...O...W > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060522/nym129.html?.v=39 > > Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Paramount Parks > Monday May 22, 8:58 am ET > - One of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world > - Combined annual revenues to approach $1 billion > - Combined annual park attendance to approach 25 million visitors > > > SANDUSKY, Ohio, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P. > (NYSE: FUN - News), a publicly traded partnership which owns and > operates seven amusement parks and five water parks, today announced > that it has signed a definitive agreement for the acquisition of the > Paramount Parks. Cedar Fair, L.P. will acquire the stock of Paramount > Parks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS - > News; NYSE: CBSA - News) for a cash purchase price of $1.24 billion. > > The five Paramount Parks consist of Canada's Wonderland near Toronto, > Canada; King's Island near Cincinnati, Ohio; King's Dominion near > Richmond, Virginia; Carowinds near Charlotte, North Carolina; and > Great America located in Santa Clara, California. > > "This transaction offers a unique opportunity for us to acquire a > world- class asset portfolio," said Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair's > chairman, president and chief executive officer. "It is not every day > that we have the chance to purchase five great family-oriented parks > that fit extremely well with our existing parks. This acquisition will > provide exciting new growth opportunities and the potential for > meaningful incremental free cash flow as we realize $20-$30 million in > annual cash flow synergies over the next 3-5 years. It will also add > significant geographic diversity to our portfolio of parks and improve > our position as one of the largest regional amusement park operators > in the world." > > In 2005, the Paramount Parks generated revenues of approximately $423 > million while entertaining 12.2 million guests. Cedar Fair reported > $569 million in revenues and 12.7 million guest visits. On a combined > basis, the two companies generated almost $1 billion in revenues and > entertained approximately 25 million guests in 2005. > > The transaction is subject to conditions, including regulatory > approval and other terms and conditions customary for transactions of > this type, and is expected to close during the third quarter. Further > details were not disclosed. > > Cedar Fair was advised by Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. and Rothschild, > Inc., and Bear Stearns is providing $2.0 billion in committed > financing in support of the transaction. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey LLP > provided legal counsel to Cedar Fair. > > Cedar Fair's seven amusement parks are Cedar Point, located on Lake > Erie between Cleveland and Toledo; Knott's Berry Farm near Los Angeles > in Buena Park, California; Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom near > Allentown, Pennsylvania; Valleyfair near Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota; Worlds of Fun, located in Kansas City, Missouri; Geauga > Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near Cleveland, Ohio; and Michigan's > Adventure near Muskegon, Michigan. The Partnership's water parks are > located near San Diego and in Palm Springs, California, and adjacent > to Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm and Worlds of Fun. Cedar Fair also > owns and operates the Castaway Bay Indoor Waterpark Resort in > Sandusky, Ohio. Cedar Fair's flagship park, Cedar Point, has been > voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for eight consecutive > years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today > newspaper. > > Mr. Kinzel will host two conference calls and webcasts to discuss the > acquisition. The first call will be to answer investor and analyst > questions and is to be held at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time on Monday, May > 22, 2006. The second call to answer questions from the media as well > as follow up on any additional questions from the investment community > will be held at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time. These calls can be accessed at > 1-800-231-5571. The live conference call and presentation slides may > be accessed in "listen only" mode via the Cedar Fair web site > (http://www.cedarfair.com). Both conference calls will be made > available for replay starting at approximately 4:00 p.m. ET, Monday, > May 22, 2006, until 11:59 p.m. ET, Monday, June 5, 2006. In order to > access the replay of the conference call, please dial 1-877-519-4471 > followed by the access code 7426624 for the investor call and access > code 7426623 for the media call. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. > See how. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** You're nothing but a fish, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you fish!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 22 08:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52834 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:29:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:27:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:27:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E33519-242D-48CB-9D30-995A9F6B2571@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=GnrtbH7pc6zE7fZZ9usBG0mf4b0_EFB0q_nTXq1OUArDJLZAed4XBqaI-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > I wonder if this will impact what Six Flags is doing at all. Or if=20=20 > Cedar Fair will go back to the original names, like Canada's=20=20 > Wonderland and Kings Island, or start to brand their parks like=20 what=20=20 > Six Flags does. Pretty interesting though... ok, so who is backing up CF anyways? im not really familiar with them=20 as a company, but for example WB owns SF and Busch controls BG, so=20 what about CF? between buying the these parks and some of the SF parks=20 in the past couple of years, where are they getting all this money to=20 buy these parks? is CF owned by a bigger company that backs them=20 financially? From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon May 22 08:39:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 275 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:39:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 15:39:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:39:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=x9Xg4MmYeuv8JHSWRjjyOqWPndq3g6kI32uGkAo-9qJV7bs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > ok, so who is backing up CF anyways? im not really familiar with them=20 > as a company, but for example WB owns SF and Busch controls BG, so=20 > what about CF? between buying the these parks and some of the SF parks=20 > in the past couple of years, where are they getting all this money to=20 > buy these parks? is CF owned by a bigger company that backs them=20 > financially? > From the article that Beth posted: Cedar Fair was advised by Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. and Rothschild, Inc., and Bear Stearns is providing $2.0 billion in committed financing in support of the transaction. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey LLP provided legal counsel to Cedar Fair. back to me again: In other words, Cedar Fair is independantly owned. They aren't owned or "backed" by a larger company. But they are receiving financial help (e.g. loans) from this financial company in order to make the purchase. Not sure how I feel about it. They're not the company that I thought would buy Paramount, and I'm not sure how much of a fit they'll be.=20 Guess we can pretty much kiss much of the remaining theming in the parks goodbye since Cedar Fair doesn't do theme parks. So many questions: Ohio monopoly? Will they keep the Nick theming, or make it all Snoopy? Or both? What about the park names? Rides and theming already in place? I could go on... Should be interesting to see how it all ends up turning out. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 22 08:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18185 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.194) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:47:31 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id k1so1078117nzf for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.152.6 with SMTP id z6mr865393qbd; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:46:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E33519-242D-48CB-9D30-995A9F6B2571@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=65RVD0SVffDZuxvR3cMJUGHRKx1gYJ2MScBVmEglBftxrnri9drPpW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ok, so who is backing up CF anyways? im not really familiar with them > as a company, but for example WB owns SF and Busch controls BG, so > what about CF? Cedar Fair is its own publically-traded company. The financial backing for this deal is coming from a third party, Bear, Stearns, & Co INC. To quote from the release, "Cedar Fair was advised by Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. and Rothschild, Inc., and Bear Stearns is providing $2.0 billion in committed financing in support of the transaction. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey provided legal counsel to Cedar Fair. " For the record, Time-Warner hasn't owned Six Flags since 1999. Much like Cedar Fair, it is its own publically-traded company. > between buying the these parks and some of the SF parks > in the past couple of years, where are they getting all this money to > buy these parks? Debt financing? :-) Any news like this is surprising, but I don't think this is that unexpected. After all, who else would have been in the position to make such a purchase? If it wouldn't have been Cedar Fair, it would have had to be some company outside the industry. Personally, I think this is a good move for CF. They're certainly being far more safe with their purchases than Six Flags ever was. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon May 22 08:49:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62194 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5211 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2006 15:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:46:32 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FiCc3-0003fT-Po for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:46:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:51:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=DP5sXSmcqOjB2AFRfnv6D0ax6QRVjMd0dkUAnFlPDaoMVJvUP76D X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Not sure how I feel about it. They're not the company that I thought > would buy Paramount, and I'm not sure how much of a fit they'll be. > Guess we can pretty much kiss much of the remaining theming in the > parks goodbye since Cedar Fair doesn't do theme parks. If that happened, that would be great news for Six Flags, especially SFA and SFMW. They'd be competing on a more even playing field, heh. Why did Paramount want to sell the parks in the first place? Were they not turning profits, or not as much as they should've been? Seems hard to believe. Mike From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon May 22 08:58:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71418 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 15:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 15:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 15:57:27 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1831693ugc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr1143172hue; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.14 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30605220856o55d1d029sb8ea62d63484231c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:56:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=7qUXymiccUlET4J1rZX6gEZYAN2lwWmH8wElpr_bs6gIjxqI X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 5/22/06, Mike wrote: > Why did Paramount want to sell the parks in the first place? Were > they not turning profits, or not as much as they should've been? > Seems hard to believe. They're profitable, but when Viacom and CBS split, CBS got the parks and in streamlining their business, decided that the amusement parks weren't in enough of a growth industry to hold on to, so they put them up for sale. I'm curious to see where the Bonfante management deal falls into this mix as well as it wasn't mentioned in the press release. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon May 22 09:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60741 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 16:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 16:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 16:29:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 16:28:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 16:28:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:28:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30605220856o55d1d029sb8ea62d63484231c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5RQmTzV7SOtAXOFJJKzTLYK1DvxESaKN7XAEyTqD3LwgoVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" wrote: > > On 5/22/06, Mike wrote: > > Why did Paramount want to sell the parks in the first place? Were > > they not turning profits, or not as much as they should've been? > > Seems hard to believe. >=20 > They're profitable, but when Viacom and CBS split, CBS got the parks > and in streamlining their business, decided that the amusement parks > weren't in enough of a growth industry to hold on to, so they put them > up for sale. >=20 I'm with Lance in that I just don't understand their desire to sell the parks. While it might not have been a "growth" industry, the advertising and marketing potential that the parks had in combination with movies/ tv has a price that I don't think they ever considered.=20 For Cedar Fair, this can be a bonanza. For CBS/ Paramount, I still think it was a stupid move- both from a business and a marketing standpoint. But then what do I know? ;) > I'm curious to see where the Bonfante management deal falls into this > mix as well as it wasn't mentioned in the press release. > I don't know. Selfishly, I'm sad for PGA. I've had (ridiculous) hopes that they might eventually put in the theming and restore the park, but that's certainly not going to happen with Cedar Fair.=20=20 While I didn't expect them to buy the parks, I had hoped that for some reason Busch would have seriously thought about it and purchased them. I would have loved to see what they would have done with the parks. So, anyone else think that this is Dick Kinzel's "big bang" that he's going out with? keep on ridin' George From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon May 22 14:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39823 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 21:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 21:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 21:41:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 21:40:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 21:40:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:40:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=pDhEQe55UqzOwUAKo90WwH9phzS05Y8BMFiqXWVn0gmoG62kPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg >=20 > back to me again: > In other words, Cedar Fair is independantly owned. They aren't owned > or "backed" by a larger company. But they are receiving financial > help (e.g. loans) from this financial company in order to make the > purchase. >=20 > Not sure how I feel about it. They're not the company that I thought > would buy Paramount, and I'm not sure how much of a fit they'll be.=20 > Guess we can pretty much kiss much of the remaining theming in the > parks goodbye since Cedar Fair doesn't do theme parks. I love Paramount Parks, but I honestly don't think Kings Island will hurt f= rom any of this.=20 They really didn't have much THEMEING that was that noticable, besides the = Kids Area.=20 They just rethemed all the Nick stuff to fit the Nickolodeon kids of today,= and I'm excited=20 to see what Cedar Fair is going to do in that regards. But besides the kids= area, ACTION=20 ZONE doesn't really count as themeing. There's as much themeing in Action Zone as their was in DINOLAND at Animal = Kingdom ;=20 slap some rides around pavement and paint them all Red ... whoop dee do! None of the Paramount Parks that I went to really had any stand out THEMING= area's ,=20 more like a few themed queue lines (Volcano/Tomb Raider at PKD). It'll be a= n interesting=20 next few years to see how these parks will develope. I'm hoping that some t= hings get=20 removed completely (Togo Stand Ups , Crappy wooden coasters/arrow coasters = , in order=20 to make room for new rides .... Intamins anyone????) > So many questions: Ohio monopoly? Will they keep the Nick theming, > or make it all Snoopy? Or both? What about the park names? Rides > and theming already in place? I could go on... Names I hope go back to their real names (drop of the Paramounts is all the= y gotta do) Snoopy would be cooler than Scooby if you ask me again, i already mentioned the THEMING of Paramount parks above.... jeremy d. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon May 22 16:12:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60939 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 23:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.195) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 23:12:34 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h26so449337wxd for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.24.2 with SMTP id 2mr5745423wxx; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.50.237.58]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h19sm5370044wxd.2006.05.22.16.12.32; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:11:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcZ9ldaQwdBuveZERf+mci7vuflyPAAXxzhQ Message-ID: <44724561.7055fec4.1828.6e91@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: RE: Wild Thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=syszWliU41yQpjEnTAUZLjZr6WCjBAgjsRyTrtQR2YYBlbI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Anyone going to be at any parks where other Morgan hypers run? Just wondering if they're all shut down until they figure out what happened at VF." I heard Mamba was running today. Adam From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon May 22 16:14:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19286 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 23:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 23:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.196) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 23:14:01 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s7so319344wxc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.18 with SMTP id 18mr5741355wxu; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.50.237.58]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i34sm5373463wxd.2006.05.22.16.14.00; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:12:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcZ9thlh0UsVluqRQS6AXTjOQuB1zAAPvx7w Message-ID: <447245b8.4fb6178e.6095.ffff90ef@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=K2Gi-_9BM_MZgD5TI0OHbY2YkqFea_WcxzBrdBHpc91OvsY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "So many questions: Ohio monopoly? Will they keep the Nick theming, or make it all Snoopy? Or both? What about the park names? Rides and theming already in place? I could go on..." I wouldn't be surprised to see Geauga closed, the hard rides moved to other parks and the waterpark kept as an independent facility. Adam From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon May 22 16:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24391 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 23:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 23:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.201) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 23:15:15 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t12so683641wxc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.65.9 with SMTP id n9mr5754513wxa; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.50.237.58]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i40sm5715980wxd.2006.05.22.16.15.13; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:15:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:14:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcZ9t0zxcAywiXN6RwWpFxxBf2vAYgAPfNXQ Message-ID: <44724601.5943a409.3867.fffff1ce@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=OIISpXcECi7WZ2q9c_VbEaDD7wHiJlQmAmVXCdafvkO8e6I X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Any news like this is surprising, but I don't think this is that unexpected. After all, who else would have been in the position to make such a purchase? If it wouldn't have been Cedar Fair, it would have had to be some company outside the industry. Personally, I think this is a good move for CF. They're certainly being far more safe with their purchases than Six Flags ever was." The final three in contention as of a week ago were Blackstone, CF and another park group (that I can't name...but there aren't many). Adam From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon May 22 16:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59581 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 23:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 23:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (221-129.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.129.221]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MNZfdq018022 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c67df8$744bbd80$dd817f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <44724601.5943a409.3867.fffff1ce@mx.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:35:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=f-ly9b0jknI6FdTEa0Sum75eD-V4K5WenEyMV-B-3RPX4Ufhc-t- X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl I'm shocked CF took this chain. I really expected Blackstone to take it. I'm really curious to know what the terms of the deal where other than the monetary value placed on the chain. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam F. Sandy" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks > "Any news like this is surprising, but I don't think this is that > unexpected. After all, who else would have been in the position to > make such a purchase? If it wouldn't have been Cedar Fair, it would > have had to be some company outside the industry. Personally, I think > this is a good move for CF. They're certainly being far more safe > with their purchases than Six Flags ever was." > > The final three in contention as of a week ago were Blackstone, CF and > another park group (that I can't name...but there aren't many). > > Adam > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 16:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14543 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 23:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 23:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 23:53:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 23:53:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2006 23:53:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:53:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.64.252.146 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Anyone been out to SFOT lately? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=guuKlpN6qlcn6fH81R5ADwIIpBMQH4sZKsY54sn_-zqHdJl0zVF6GXMCJ4YMneI X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 I spent all this past saturday at SFOT and really had a great time,=20 was able to get at least 2 rides on all the major roller coasters,=20 with 3 on Titan and Mr Freeze, we never waited more than 40 mins for=20 any ride, and that was without a flash pass. This park has a great=20 selection of roller coasters as well as several fun thrill rides=20 including Superman, also took in a fun show at the Crazy Horse Saloon.=20 All in all, this is a very fun park with lots of cool western scenery,=20 and many great rides, check out the pics in the Six Flags Over Texas 5- 20-06 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon May 22 17:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10061 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 00:11:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 79061 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2006 00:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060523001157.79059.qmail@web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.232.87] by web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:11:57 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:11:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1148305946.266.60634.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair to Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=LyFL5HYc795Gv7zl2neL_S3H5M1QrRSeZZVhnwu7Onjq-1okiX3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > W...O...W < My sentiments exactly, a mixture of shock and awe. I trust the judgement of Cedar Fair more than I would Premier Parks when it bought Six Flags. Kinzel knows the business, and they must think they can handle it. I'm really glad Cedar Fair got those parks. King's Island and King's Dominion have a lot in common with The Point. There's beautiful landscaping and at the same time, a traditional midway look. This could be a good fit. I'm interested to see what happens with all the Paramount licensing. Will all the Nickelodeon themed areas remain, or will it all become themed to Peanuts? > voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for eight consecutive years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. < I never realized AT was that prestigious. Jay --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 22 17:52:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96199 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 00:52:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 00:52:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:52:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=jqw3VC_vCgMlXmwDrU-NxWNiPuTuBYff7Q1Qk-HTx6Fe_Z2hDnt2U5_INQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg"=20 wrote: > I'm hoping that some things get=20 > removed completely (Togo Stand Ups , Crappy wooden coasters/arrow=20 coasters , in order=20 > to make room for new rides .... Intamins anyone????) after this sale, i would imagine it might be a while before they=20 install anything new.=20 > Names I hope go back to their real names (drop of the Paramounts is=20 all they gotta do) > Snoopy would be cooler than Scooby if you ask me > again, i already mentioned the THEMING of Paramount parks above.... i could without ever hearing the Italian Job Ride ever again. thats=20 one theme ill be happy to see go.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue May 23 00:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87884 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 07:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 07:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 07:56:46 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MI1RNE009103 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052d01c67dc9$c670af50$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:01:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wild Thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=XyOZ01NWibTcOnokqS8IrG0CKZ42jSgMV7y6IGMqpicU1uKQ4jJzINQDag X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I believe Steel Force has been shut down for the past week or so due to a broken lift chain. Steel Dragon 2000 has been shut down for quite awhile... So I guess that leaves Mamba and Steel Eel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Childs" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wild Thing > Anyone going to be at any parks where other Morgan hypers run? Just > wondering if they're all shut down until they figure out what happened > at VF. > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Theme park > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From ranch_inc@yahoo.com Tue May 23 04:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ranch_inc@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41868 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 11:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 11:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 11:45:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 11:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 11:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 11:45:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:45:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.29.128.138 From: "ranch_inc" Subject: Question about Six Flags Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=253780364; y=vQUZATfwrDAO0QV_-ErWgycnERb4rf69l7kA_0ng7cospxD2 X-Yahoo-Profile: ranch_inc HI All I have read that Ka has been down. What is wrong, as I am planning to=20 be there for memorial day weekend. Is El Toro still going to open that=20 weekend? Thanks From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 23 07:20:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30866 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.236) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so433633wri for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.152.20 with SMTP id z20mr1886756qbd; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:19:43 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: NEWS: Paramount, Cedar Fair, and Bonfante X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yKgCFGkS3O9mISdQkRIKYYjtk0gc-1D-NJLul6Z-4ffY819KgK1tjlc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 For those who expressed concern over Bonfante Gardens yesterday, an article in the Mercury News this morning shed some light on the deal. It seems Cedar Fair will be taking over the former management contract of the park. I'm happy that the park will survive and that someone will be managing it, but the fact that tree-hating Cedar Fair now owns a garden theme park makes me nervous. -Nate ------------------------------------------------ From http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14646322.htm Great America sold in CBS deal By Michele Chandler Mercury News Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara has a new owner, but Bay Area thrill seekers shouldn't see many immediate changes. The theme park is among several being sold by media giant CBS's Paramount Parks division to Ohio-based theme park owner Cedar Fair in a $1.24 billion deal announced Monday. The ownership change also means new management at Bonfante Gardens in Gilroy. The privately held park has operated under a management agreement with Paramount Parks since 2003. Great America and Bonfante Gardens will remain open as usual throughout the sale, expected to close in late summer, pending regulatory approval. ``We don't believe visitors will really experience any differences in the coming year,'' Cedar Fair director of investor relations Stacy Frole said. Any changes would be decided after the parks close for the season. ``We will look at everything from operations to marketing to pricing strategies, and a decision will be made at that time,'' Frole said. Great America and Bonfante Gardens spokeswoman Holly Perez says both parks will ``proceed with business as normal for the 2006 season.'' CBS announced in January that it was shedding its theme park division in the wake of the company's separation from Viacom. Along with Great America, the sale includes Paramount Canada's Wonderland in Toronto; Paramount's Carowinds in Charlotte, N.C.; Paramount's Kings Dominion in Richmond, Va.; and Paramount's Kings Island in Cincinnati. Both Great America and Bonfante Gardens have been open weekends only since April. Great America, which has touted a new ``Survivor: The Ride'' adventure show, will begin operating daily June 1. Bonfante Gardens will be open daily beginning June 3. In 2005, 2 million people visited Great America, up from 1.9 million in 2004, according to trade magazine Amusement Business. While attendance at the privately held Bonfante Gardens is not released, Perez said the park ``has had very strong attendance in recent years.'' Great America tripled the size of its Crocodile Dundee Boomerang Bay Beach Club to 11 acres last year, an expansion that helped attendance, Perez said. Admission passes giving holders entry to both Great America and Bonfante Gardens also boosted attendance at the parks, she said. Since opening in 1976 under the ownership of Marriott, Great America has been sold several times. In 1985, the city of Santa Clara purchased the park for $93.5 million to save Great America from being demolished and replaced with offices, hiring Kings Entertainment to manage the facility. In 1989, Kings purchased the park business and its assets. Paramount Communications acquired Great America in 1992. Santa Clara, which still owns the land, has a 50-year ground lease with Paramount and receives $5.3 million annually. The lease stipulates that an amusement park will be operated there and the ground lease and its restrictions would remain in effect even if the park's ownership changes, Sparacino said. Bonfante Gardens -- a lush, 75-acre horticultural park that also has rides and was developed by Nob Hill Foods Chief Executive Michael Bonfante in 2001 -- is owned by a private, non-profit corporation, but is managed by CBS's Paramount Parks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Contact Michele Chandler at mchandler@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5731. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 23 07:23:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77555 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 14:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 14:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.194) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 14:22:59 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l8so1231893nzf for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.180.8 with SMTP id c8mr1848248qbf; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:22:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question about Six Flags Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=tMViaYhNyXqkNUt1_32UBYA5zh8FnR0xYpI8Y9s1jBZt0YX1TXbXRZw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I have read that Ka has been down. What is wrong, as I am planning to > be there for memorial day weekend. Is El Toro still going to open that > weekend? Kingda Ka had some sort of major mechanical issue a few weeks ago and has been closed since. I haven't read anything definitive on what happened, but it seems it was something with the brake fins that went wrong. I have no idea when it might be operating again, but I'm sure it will be running as soon as possible. Your best bet is to keep an eye on the Six Flags site: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/Rides/KingdaKa.html As for El Toro, it seems SFGAdv was still shooting for a Memorial Day weekend opening last I heard. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue May 23 07:40:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75359 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 14:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 14:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 14:39:27 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4NCDQDw019122 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052201c67e62$53b84d80$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060523001157.79059.qmail@web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:13:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair to Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=2qwiX_30wRdXFUYXixt4yTSLsUkSOpSh3wWx9U-Krye5svAhzMxkumLt3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for eight consecutive > years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today > newspaper. < > > I never realized AT was that prestigious. They are now that Amusement Business has just closed after 112 years. ;-) From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Tue May 23 07:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50225 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 14:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 14:44:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 14:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 14:42:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:42:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.64.252.146 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Has anyone been to Six Flags over Texas recently? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=7IAY8KnNFh1J4_K-7i8VQa0zMc-tVtc-IoilvoE-cuPtXfyZZg6LxGND9IjPvnM X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 I was just out there this past saturday, and wow that park has really=20 got it going on. They have a great selection of roller coasters=20 including Titan, Mr Freeze and Texas Giant as well as several fun=20 thrill rides like Superman, we never waited more than 45 mins for any=20 ride, the scenery is awsome and the park was exceptionally clean.=20 Check out the photos in the Six Flags Over Texas album on the photos=20 page. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue May 23 08:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23683 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 15:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 15:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 15:42:41 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.36a.51a1502 (15876) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0444732d3d1a; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:41:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:41:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44732D41.1000802@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=F3TnGu5VEmXjf-Na9IPk5nCc-Q6zWPmmqRQ4z6lL5RuaTSvIOw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo tommytheduck wrote on 5/19/2006, 11:47 AM: > -Brian F. (Very proud of my fiance Janice, who yesterday joined the > ranks of xB owners!) Hahaha, the toaster on wheels! Actually, they are good little cars, I just don't care for the styling myself. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue May 23 09:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8301 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 16:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 16:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 16:18:31 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.449.16d68db (15888) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e104473356720b; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:16:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:16:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4473356B.2050006@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question about Six Flags Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=8pFrMxcHgTNZLYaG-o9LTvg2kCCrM9Y76CtmGfpQIq-3VQ6neg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo ranch_inc wrote on 5/23/2006, 7:45 AM: > HI All > I have read that Ka has been down. What is wrong, as I am planning to > be there for memorial day weekend. Is El Toro still going to open that > weekend? > Thanks They are evedently testing KK now, so with luck it will be back up and running by the weekend. All indications are it had a cable snap. Not positive about El Toro. They were still working on the structure when I was there last Thursday, but it looks like it is just minor work. The track is complete. Trains are on the transfer, but it has not tested yet. I think they are looking to have it running by this weekend, but they seem to be cutting it close. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 23 09:33:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94372 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 16:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 16:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 16:33:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 16:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 16:33:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:33:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: VTR: A short video of Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PMPadyfpzn5zg6aDQy5bbGYu_dJ5ys5jtrl9oop6CxgIZJo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, That was cool. And now we ALL know what you look like! -Alan (Who is upset that Chris got someone in trouble - you trouble=20 maker!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > Hey! I shot a little video while walking around Eejanaika last week. I > uploaded it at: >=20 > http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&start=3D430 >=20 > Let me know how it looks. I'm after constructive criticism from you, > the enthusiasts I've "known" the longest. I just wish that I had a > more stable hand and was smoother with the zoom.=20 > Chris B From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 23 13:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94222 invoked from network); 23 May 2006 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2006 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2006 20:15:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2006 20:14:29 -0000 Date: 23 May 2006 20:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1148415268.341.48854.w116@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: What kind of coaster do you like? The reason is so you could tell everyone in the group. o Bobsled o Shuttle, Boomerang or super boomerang o spining o Corkscrew o Enclosed o Floorless o Flying o Gigacoaster o twin o Hypercoaster o Inverted, Invertigo, SlC or Suspended o Stand up o Junior o Compressed air launch, Hydraulic launch, powered, LIM or LSM o Looping o Mine train o Multielement o Water coaster o Wild mouse o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2238066 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 24 06:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26410 invoked from network); 24 May 2006 13:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2006 13:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2006 13:29:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 13:26:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 13:26:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:26:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44732D41.1000802@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=aMCepb1JiIA8pbby_xtNDyzbWb6YMww90HQi2CNg0umo3LeDRzAOPfIp_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > tommytheduck wrote on 5/19/2006, 11:47 AM: >=20 > > -Brian F. (Very proud of my fiance Janice, who yesterday=20 joined the > > ranks of xB owners!) >=20 > Hahaha, the toaster on wheels! >=20 > Actually, they are good little cars, I just don't care for the=20 styling=20 > myself. > --=20 > Nathan Brown >=20 when we were buying our most recent car, it was a toss up between an=20 xb and element. we went with the latter simply because it had 4WD.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 24 06:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63311 invoked from network); 24 May 2006 13:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2006 13:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2006 13:30:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 13:28:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 13:28:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 13:28:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:28:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=eyeuScDuJ8RD03x8_ODHdn6HL3Z3icwANXpyqptnLtC7i_d2YAYRI8hT3g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 anyone going to BGT on the day that Kenny Rogers is playing? the wife=20 wants to go to see him, and i could sure use someone to go ride stuff=20 with while hes performing. any takers shoot me an email.=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 24 09:01:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64765 invoked from network); 24 May 2006 16:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2006 16:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2006 16:01:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2006 16:01:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:01:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.254.226.14 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=y6twEpStz40MBDDwH7o2YkwUnJc5iUwYX-XD5ZTnqbEUFbA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > anyone going to BGT on the day that Kenny Rogers is playing? the wife=20 > wants to go to see him, and i could sure use someone to go ride stuff=20 > with while hes performing. any takers shoot me an email. > sorry, would love to, but our schedule isn't working out. This weekend is the big move from our little apartment in Brandon to a large (1800+ sq. feet) home in Davenport, 10 minutes from DisneyWorld. So we'll be a bit busy. We are, however, going to Cypress Gardens on June 3rd to catch the Barlow Girls concert there. :) keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 24 10:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1971 invoked from network); 24 May 2006 17:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2006 17:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2006 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k4OH5kgK020205 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 12:05:46 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 24 May 2006 12:05:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D56BD6E-F6BD-452B-9A1E-6215A99CE28B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:05:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2006 17:05:54.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[510F5EA0:01C67F54] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=j6qsGd5A6Q_SBthWYc4b7ARKuPYh9ivmn_Cqo4_q7RtIaGLI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > This weekend is the big move from our little apartment in Brandon to a > large (1800+ sq. feet) home in Davenport, 10 minutes from DisneyWorld. > So we'll be a bit busy. Well I suggest you stay out of the amusement park, and concentrate on moving! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** And now: * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A Walk In The Black Forest! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed May 24 17:57:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73046 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 00:57:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:57:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447245b8.4fb6178e.6095.ffff90ef@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=RmjhTZMje9uC1j4IB4jn7T5ZTcRpF4st8kwbnrgOqCclEbUc9VT1 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam F. Sandy"=20 wrote: > > "So many questions: Ohio monopoly?=20 Also noteworthy is that this makes CF a major player in California,=20 with them operating two major parks and one smaller park. This could=20 make a Cedar Fair annual pass a very good thing to have for those of=20 us in the Golden State. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 24 18:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61154 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 01:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39162 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 01:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060525013745.39160.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.247.107] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2006 18:37:45 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:37:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1148474767.3783.43516.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Amusement Business (was Cedar Fair) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=G0DGa8LlGaPN7-PLLh4lVVV_JP7jx4y1zRvlTl0LyUrdUoV7CIQC X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> I never realized AT was that prestigious. << > They are now that Amusement Business has just closed after 112 years. ;-) < Holy moly! That's a shocker. That magazine has been the voice of the industry for so long. Any idea what contributed to its closure? I assume that everyone in the industry still read it. Jay --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com Wed May 24 18:57:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: d3athcabforcuti3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77402 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 01:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 01:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 01:57:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 9553 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 01:57:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060525015754.9551.qmail@web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.32.63.138] by web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2006 18:57:54 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:57:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060525013745.39160.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.85.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Brooke G." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Amusement Business (was Cedar Fair) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=255312917; y=4XiSOHGBW4aarJm_01B0sOi0SFs9Ep1nIOp_7NJ4ythxYByXx5ChsEYycA X-Yahoo-Profile: d3athcabforcuti3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THEY'RE CLOSING!?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Jay Ducharme wrote: >> I never realized AT was that prestigious. << > They are now that Amusement Business has just closed after 112 years. ;-) < Holy moly! That's a shocker. That magazine has been the voice of the industry for so long. Any idea what contributed to its closure? I assume that everyone in the industry still read it. Jay --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- ~Roller Coaster Enthusiast~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu May 25 01:40:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97963 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 08:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 08:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 08:39:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 08:38:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:38:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=iE3P55TncCPYm7sEepn_o6KAusY1LxG1d5wR5qUS2jRjJdDmAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 It's a good thing I'm moving back to the US!=20 I'm so out of the loop I thought you guys were talking about XBox's! Chris =20 > > > -Brian F. (Very proud of my fiance Janice, who yesterday=20 > joined the > > > ranks of xB owners!) > >=20 > > Hahaha, the toaster on wheels! > >=20 > > Actually, they are good little cars, I just don't care for the=20 > styling=20 > > myself. > > --=20 > > Nathan Brown > >=20 >=20 >=20 > when we were buying our most recent car, it was a toss up between an=20 > xb and element. we went with the latter simply because it had 4WD. > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu May 25 02:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32919 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 09:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 09:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 09:50:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 09:50:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2006 09:50:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:50:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cedar Fair To Purchase Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Erq0-77LgxsNcOiJaQ0c8tulhVApWp3rl3E3tkp0dkbmVJXrbg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg" wrote: > > Not sure how I feel about it. They're not the company that I thought > > would buy Paramount, and I'm not sure how much of a fit they'll be.=20 > > Guess we can pretty much kiss much of the remaining theming in the > > parks goodbye since Cedar Fair doesn't do theme parks. I don't remember if it was here or on another forum, but someone mentioned that part of the deal includes the management of Bonfante Gardens. The gist of the post was that they were terrified as to what the "tree-hating" Cedar Fair would do with a park that has a primary theme of being a garden!=20 I thought it was an interesting enough idea to share. (I just hope it wasn't here I read it!) Chris B From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 25 09:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27350 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2006 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 16:58:21 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4PDrXle012228 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <075501c68002$9d207dc0$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060525013745.39160.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Amusement Business (was Cedar Fair) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=I1C_LxrBApDK0a30Gxy-xsHOHvFCjrzquXJgxk3sNYO1HEO2OFyS-24txw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>> I never realized AT was that prestigious. << > >> They are now that Amusement Business has just closed after 112 years. >> ;-) < > > Holy moly! That's a shocker. That magazine has been the voice of the > industry for so long. Any idea what contributed to its closure? I assume > that everyone in the industry still read it. Amusement Business changed quite a bit over the last couple of years. Things started going downhill when they went from the long standing weekly issue format to monthly issues that were less timely. The response to that complaint was that you got access to their news website which was kept up to date at least. Then I noticed that the monthly issues started getting more and more skinny. Then for some reason the issues started to focus almost entirely on concert, live venue acts and the fair business and had almost no theme park industry news... which is what led me to not renew my own subscription at the end of 2005. There simply was no reason to get it any longer. So I'm not entirely surprised this happened at this point. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu May 25 18:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40991 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 01:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 01:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 01:02:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:59:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 00:59:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:59:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags features summer concerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=3aIlGAlFKaRGkc9D4YN8AIXyxOTbCUjn0ts29B1FdFtj-xtUUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > It's a good thing I'm moving back to the US!=20 > I'm so out of the loop I thought you guys were talking about XBox's! >=20 > Chris >=20=20 > > > > -Brian F. (Very proud of my fiance Janice, who yesterday=20 > > joined the > > > > ranks of xB owners!) > > >=20 > > > Hahaha, the toaster on wheels! > > >=20 > > > Actually, they are good little cars, I just don't care for the=20 > > styling=20 > > > myself. > > > --=20 > > > Nathan Brown are you kidding me? those cars are hidious???? man , you really let me down= Brian, I=20 thought you were really into CARS , and now you go and buy the trendy lil' = *car of the=20 month* whatever...... hahaha=20 jeRemy (for those of you that know, i'm playing... and you know why) From geldingowner@yahoo.com Fri May 26 09:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: geldingowner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41490 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 16:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 16:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 16:03:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 16:03:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 16:03:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:03:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.80.199.222 From: "geldingowner" Subject: Web site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268637040; y=AEgworUUrU-9AqvInm2ngGHIMdOB2P15SfVXRDOCKWvKccWvRlPK X-Yahoo-Profile: geldingowner Have you checked out Http://www.sixflags.com? 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Many, many, many times. ;-) From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri May 26 09:59:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59471 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 16:58:56 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.489.fe0d62 (15877) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e05447733bf2e; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:58:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:58:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <447733C0.9040304@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Myrtle Beach Pavilion, Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=PR6fd11IRc8rjnlSjTzmNLGsK0pQAQFe4-cUqBaq4xVOb3i1Lw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Myrtle Beach May 20, 2006 So, a few weeks ago I had made the decision that I was going to head=20 down to Myrtle Beach this spring, do a quick run through and get all the=20 coasters in, especially at the Pavilion. Myrtle Beach Pavilion is=20 closing at the end of the season, and who knows what will happen to the=20 rides there, so this may be my only chance to get here and see it. I=20 figured I would do this before Memorial Day to avoid the crowds. That=20 left me no choice but to go the weekend before, May 20 and 21. I=20 planned to just stay on Saturday, get there in the afternoon, and head=20 back out in the dark of the night. It was an ambitious plan, made more so when I decided to tack on Busch=20 Gardens on Sunday, and a stop at South of the Border before Myrtle=20 Beach. Add on the unhappy coincidence that it was Bike Week in Myrtle=20 Beach, and I knew I was in for a long weekend. Yes, I was nuts, I was=20 told so, but I did it anyway. I embarked on the voyage in the wee hours of the morning, and by noon I=20 had made it to South of the Border. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658606-M.jpg South of the Border is the greatest of all tourist traps. It was=20 overwhelmingly gaudy and goofy, and I loved it. I roomed around for a=20 while, checking out the different shops, taking a look at the rides and=20 tower, and filling up on fireworks. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658812-M.jpg I did not go up into the tower. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658948-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658973-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71659036-M.jpg Pedroland was open, sort of. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658995-M.jpg OK, the Sombrero was closed, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71659018-M.jpg And the train, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71659097-M.jpg And the Wild Mouse, which has been closed, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71659119-M.jpg I just don=E2=80=99t understand this. Why buy a coaster, run it for maybe = a=20 year, and then shut it down? Nobody knows why, and it is now just=20 sitting there rotting away. Oh well, the rest of SotB was pretty well kept and agreeable, and their=20 motel actually looked pretty nice, a good place to stay on the way to=20 Florida, were I headed there. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658666-M.jpg So, off to Myrtle Beach I went. I got to Myrtle Beach at about 3PM, right when I expected to, and parked=20 in the garage next to the Pavilion. I was surprised that parking was=20 only $6, and even more surprised to find a spot on the lower level of=20 the garage. I was greeted by the roar of thousands of Harleys rumbling=20 through town. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159048-M.jpg After getting myself together, I headed across the street, got a=20 wristband, and headed for the Hurricane. I had heard much about the Hurricane, most not too good. I was told it=20 was rough, and not really that good of a ride, but hey, you are talking=20 to someone that likes coasters like the Cyclone and Tsunami (LONG LIVE=20 the name Tsunami). It has G-Trains, in this case just one, which is=20 never a good thing, but the train seemed to track fairly well. The ride=20 itself was not bad at all. I liked the layout, basically two lateral=20 filled helixes separated by some bunny hops that gave a little bit of=20 air. The helixes ran in opposite directions, so you get thrown around a=20 little. There were a few potholes in the track, but overall I didn=E2=80= =99t=20 find it bad at all. The real problem is in the restraints. You get=20 thrown into these tight U-bars lapbars that squish you in, with no=20 padding to speak of. I think if I were to ride the coaster more then I=20 did, I would have had some nasty bruises. This would be a great ride if=20 the train had seat dividers and buzz bars, it would be comfortable and=20 fun. As a result, it was still fun, but I came off hurting a little. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157444-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157479-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159154-M.jpg After my beating, I roamed the park checking out the flats. They were=20 all pretty good and well run. I would have liked a ride on the Top=20 Spin, but it was closed, it looked like they were doing some work on it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158131-M.jpg Even their bumper cars were pretty good for being plastic wannabes. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157403-M.jpg The rides were run pretty well, decent cycles and at good speed. Their=20 brand new Tilt-a-Whirl was very good. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157617-M.jpg I loved the placement of the Scrambler, right in the middle of one of=20 the Hurricane=E2=80=99s helixes. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157324-M.jpg Finally I made it to the Mad Mouse, and Arrow version of the ride. I=20 really liked this ride, the visuals were great, and it had some nice=20 drops towards the end. It was not braked at all as well, making for a=20 pretty fast and furious ride, yet not too jarring or painful. I wish=20 there were more of these around and less of the Mack versions, as this=20 is a far better ride in my not so humble opinion. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71157755-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158190-M.jpg I decided to do something I don=E2=80=99t normally do, the water rides. Th= eir=20 flume and rapids rides looks neat, they each had a tunnel and looked=20 pretty elaborate. They were both very good, and I ended up very wet. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158219-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158271-M.jpg After getting changed I headed for the front of the park and took a ride=20 on the Little Eagle, a family coaster with some nice themeing. I=20 somehow forgot to photograph this ride. Then I took a look at, and ride=20 on, the Carousel. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158702-M.jpg Their Herschell-Spillman Carousel is exquisite. It is perfectly=20 maintained with fantastic animals and great paintings. The band organ=20 (which was not running a the time, but would later in the evening) was a=20 wonderful piece of art as well. I truly, sincerely wish that this ride=20 is kept in one piece and saved after this season, that if it does not=20 stay there, that some park that needs and would care for a machine like=20 this (cough, Dollywood) would buy it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158656-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158823-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158346-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158581-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158425-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71158460-M.jpg At this point light was fading as some heavy cloud cover started to move=20 in, so I decided to head down the street to Family Kingdom. To be continued=E2=80=A6 Oh, I did mention it was Bike Week, right=E2=80=A6 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71666559-L.jpg --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri May 26 14:03:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57706 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 21:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 21:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 21:03:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:02:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:02:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Amusement Parks without Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=yWRzdtAs6gyyxsLeOPwdwt4ZF1ua8wfGo-kHo8wOhJBwwwqW5A1u X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I got to thinking... the RCDB is a great resource, but perhaps it's=20 limited by the fact that it only reports on roller coasters, and not=20 other amusement rides. If a park doesn't have a roller coaster, it's=20 shut out of the rcdb. If I'm planning a road trip and want to be=20 sure to at least make an attempt to hit the amusement parks along=20 the way, I always try to check the RCDB to see what's in the=20 vicinity. But if that's my only reference, then of course I'd miss=20 anything without a coaster. Now, that being said, using the presence of a roller coaster as the=20 qualification for listing in a database that IS named after roller=20 coasters does make sense, and the rcdb also does double-duty as an=20 amusement park reference about 95% of the time. But up until a few=20 years ago, for example, neither Universal Studios nor SeaWorld would=20 have been listed, and those were certainly major parks before they=20 installed coasters. More problematic, though, are the smaller local amusement parks that=20 may hardly be known outside of their local county. These are the=20 places a coaster enthusiast would also be interested in, and yet I=20 don't know of an authoritative reference for these. Of course,=20 defining an amusement park can be very subjective. Some places=20 certainly qualify --- the Balboa Fun Zone in Newport Beach, CA only=20 covers about an acre next to the bay, yet it has a carousel, a Big=20 Eli Ferris wheel, bumper cars, a teacup-style ride, and even a dark=20 ride. Other places are more fuzzily defined. What about all the places=20 with minigolf, go-karts, an arcade, batting cages, and maybe even=20 some kiddie rides? I would probably consider these amusement parks,=20 too, but they're so common, with relatively few differences between=20 them, that I don't think there would be much of a point in=20 cataloguing them. But what about places like the Royal Gorge in=20 Colorado, the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway, a public garden or zoo=20 with a miniature train, or a mall with a carousel and a Ferris=20 wheel? Or what about other tourist attractions, like the Mystery=20 Spot in Santa Cruz? Obviously if you just started including everything vaguely amusement- related, you'd just have too much information to sift through. A=20 certain standardization is necessary. But I'm wondering if we might=20 put together some kind of collaborative list of the best amusement=20 parks that lack roller coasters, at least trying to include all the=20 locations that fit the classical definition of an amusement park,=20 without bothering with minigolf, etc. What are your favorites? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri May 26 14:40:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39944 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 21:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2006 21:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 21:40:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:40:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:40:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2006 21:40:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:40:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Amusement Parks without Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2rclewGaqQfsSoOJRaIgyvvm-U6G5sCqSl26BdL7LWgqNZAvCA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > I got to thinking... the RCDB is a great resource, but perhaps it's=20 > limited by the fact that it only reports on roller coasters, and not=20 > other amusement rides. If a park doesn't have a roller coaster, it's=20 > shut out of the rcdb.=20 > But I'm wondering if we might=20 > put together some kind of collaborative list of the best amusement=20 > parks that lack roller coasters, at least trying to include all the=20 > locations that fit the classical definition of an amusement park,=20 > without bothering with minigolf, etc. >=20 > What are your favorites? >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com No insult intended to Adam Sandy! I like the site for what it actually is, as opposed to what it isn't. =20 When I first learned of The Flat Joint, until I checked it out, I was hoping for an RCDB like site. An exhaustive and authoritative source for locating rides tht weren't darks, walkthroughs, water rides, or coasters. I was hoping for the FRDB, which it isn't. If I find a flat, and I don't already know what it is or who made it, I have to search through every single ride (minus the ones I do know) until either I find it, or I get to the end and it isn't there, which does happen to me occasionally. (That's my fault for going to all these crazy backwater parks!)=20 The flip side is that the RCDB is a labor of one guy, and he spends quite a bit of his own time and money to maintain it. His job is the internet, and at night when he gets home from work, he sorts through endless e-mails, searches the 'net, and scans and uplines photos that helpful folks from around the world have mailed and e-mailed him.=20 To create a new database of amusement facilities would be difficult at best and would require a herculean initial effort and enormous support to maintain. This would be magnified if it were a world database, as opposed to one nation or one continent.=20 Who would pay for this?=20 I love the idea. I'm just not sure how it could ever be pulled off. (Yes. I'm a pessimist.)=20 Chris B From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri May 26 18:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37390 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 01:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 01:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 01:56:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 01:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 01:56:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:56:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: BGT-ok, be honest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=IfftnVhTBOqKpT0LjNOBEp9QyBWcHac4QbxzEB-xFvr-BHRMD1uwgVodRA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 how bad will the crowds be tomorrow, saturday of the memorial day=20 weekend? im assuming REALLY bad.=20 From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri May 26 19:13:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3512 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 02:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 02:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 02:13:06 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (242684hfc134.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.84.134]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4R2D4Ul023980 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401c68133$17c528b0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:13:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGT-ok, be honest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=5F3Mg1mpqzC3ZMswJ51N3_FJ18tHN5hEy1PlRyeGfbDUDOdpyfYS X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl I'm not stepping anywhere near theme parks this weekend. : ) Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGT-ok, be honest > how bad will the crowds be tomorrow, saturday of the memorial day > weekend? im assuming REALLY bad. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri May 26 19:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2899 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 02:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 02:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 02:14:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 02:14:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2006 02:14:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:14:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: coaster show on national geographic channel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ZtMTzvgfb5FK7-45itXYtX_KMy29e66oanvU-8yw3--izOJpwHCRwXx7rg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/supercoasters/ From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat May 27 10:37:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97297 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 17:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 17:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 17:37:41 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (242684hfc134.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.84.134]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4RHbMQ6014742 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901c681b4$380313e0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC NEWS: Theme Parks Pack Plenty of New Wild Rides By TRAVIS REED, Associated Press Writer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=-vM862PW8y6HiX4y-A2gUDIdhBDu3pKOSeb4oTH5QffUNlXTPIHc X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ORLANDO, Fla. - Boundary-bending roller coasters, a killer whale ballet and a toppling 65-foot tower that simulates splashing into a 5,000-square foot pond below are among scores of new attractions opening this summer at theme parks around the country. But industry analysts say this could be the last year in a while to offer a bumper crop of new coasters, as many parks continue to focus more on drawing parents and families than thrill-seeking teens. "The public has indicated the last two years that they're a little tired of the roller coaster scene," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc. in Cincinnati. "They're still an important part, but the message they're sending to the parks is, 'Give us something else, give us a broader and more themed experience. You don't have to just shoot us into space at 150 miles an hour.'" Six Flags is following the family-friendly trend, announcing this year that smoking will be banned at all 28 of its parks in America. The company is also bringing back regular parades and adding 1,200 new costumed characters to parks in North America, featuring Looney Tunes and comic book heroes from the Justice League like Batman and Wonder Woman. Still, three new roller coasters are rumbling into four Six Flags parks across North America. Goliath, at both Six Flags Over Georgia and La Ronde in Montreal, boasts an initial drop of more than 171 feet and a three-minute ride at about 70 mph. The 200-foot tall attraction is so large that visitors to Atlanta actually travel outside the park and back in. Six Flags Magic Mountain outside of Los Angeles opens Tatsu, billed as "A New Species of Fear." The serpent-themed flying coaster winds through the park's rocky terrain at 62 mph, taking riders horizontally through trees in a Superman-like flying position. El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, N.J. is the second-tallest (188 feet) and fastest (70 mph) wooden coaster in the country. It takes riders on four fast drops and several high-banked turns before a "twister" ending. Also new and next to it is Bugs Bunny National Park, the theme park's third kid's area, featuring six rides and a Bugs Bunny Wilderness Theater with kid's shows. Another major new wooden coaster is The Voyage, premiering at Holiday World in Santa Claus, Ind. Offering 24.2 seconds of weightlessness, the ride whooshes guests through five underground tunnels, three sections of 90-degree banks and three drops over 100 feet at 67 mph. "Coaster aficionados are looking at these with a great amount of anticipation," said Arthur Levine, theme park guide for the New York Times Co.-owned Web site About.Com. Walt Disney World in Orlando offers Everest, a coaster that simulates a mile-long runaway train ride through the Himalayas that brings visitors face-to-face with the yeti, the most complicated animatronic character Disney has created. The ride features a train navigating an 80-foot drop, rumbling over bridges and through valleys backward and forward to "escape" the monster, which has twisted and broken the tracks. Paramount's Great America in California is debuting what it calls "the world's first reality roller coaster." Survivor The Ride splits guests into two "tribes," encouraging them to demonstrate commitment through tribal chants and dances, then puts riders on a circular vehicle that rocks and spins along a rugged track up to five stories tall. SeaWorld has dusted off its Shamu show with major upgrades this year at parks in San Diego, Orlando and San Antonio. Four years in development, "Believe" features the personal testimonies of park trainers and their interactions with SeaWorld's signature killer whales. A new audio system, three new underwater cameras and four rotating LED screens help bring the 30-minute killer whale ballet to life. Universal Orlando is unveiling a new night show called "Universal 360: A Cinesphere Spectacular." The show features four spheres, each four stories tall, that act as projection screens for Universal movie clips that will appear with lasers and pyrotechnic effects over the park lagoon. Universal is also opening a High In The Sky Seuss Trolley Train Ride at Islands of Adventure, which takes parents and kids inside the off-kilter world of the famed children's author. Dollywood in Pigeon Forge, Tenn. is debuting the Timber Tower, a $6.5 million, 2.5-minute ride that simulate splashing into a pond from 65 feet high. Guests spin in a circular ride vehicle around the tower until it elevates to the top, then topples several times at 60-degree angles. To celebrate its 50th anniversary, Michigan's Adventure near Muskegon is opening the most expensive new attraction in the park's history, a 1,500-foot water ride that cost more than $5 million. Guests on The Grand Rapids will navigate in nine-person rafts the twists of a man-made river that pays homage to the region's logging history. Hersheypark in Pennsylvania might win the top prize for product placement. In a new Reese's-themed dark ride, guests on competing teams "chocolate" and "peanut butter" stage a sharp-shooting battle with laser blasters as they travel through competition zones. The team with the best score is declared the winner, though the park says everyone gets candy at the end. ___ If You Go... THEME PARKS: http://www.themeparks.about.com. DOLLYWOOD: Pigeon Forge, Tenn.; http://www.dollywood.com or (865) 428-9488. New attraction: Timber Tower. HERSHEYPARK: Hershey, Pa.; http://www.hersheypark.com or (800) 437-7439. New attraction: Reese's-themed dark ride. HOLIDAY WORLD: Santa Claus, Ind.; http://www.holidayworld.com or (877) 463-2645. New attraction: The Voyage. MICHIGAN'S ADVENTURE: Muskegon, Mich.; http://www.michigansadventure.com/ or (231) 766-3377. New attraction: The Grand Rapids. PARAMOUNT'S GREAT AMERICA: Santa Clara, Calif.; http://www.paramountparks.com or (408) 988-1776. New attraction: Survivor The Ride. SEAWORLD: San Diego (800-257-4268), San Antonio (800-557-4268) and Orlando (800-327-2424); http://www.seaworld.com. New attraction: "Believe" whale show. SIX FLAGS: http://www.sixflags.com. New attractions: Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia near Atlanta (770-948-9290) and La Ronde in Montreal (514-397-2000); Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain near Los Angeles (818-367-5965); and El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure, Jackson, N.J. (732-928-2000). UNIVERSAL ORLANDO: http://www.universalstudios.com or (407) 363-8000. New attraction: "Universal 360: A Cinesphere Spectacular." WALT DISNEY WORLD: Lake Buena Vista, Fla.; http://www.disneyworld.com or (407) 934-7639. New attraction: Everest. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat May 27 12:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57439 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 19:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2006 19:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2006 19:00:54 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.392.3ebfcd0 (15875) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e034478a1c7176; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:00:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:00:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002901c681b4$380313e0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> Message-ID: <4478A1C9.7020202@aol.com> References: <002901c681b4$380313e0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Family Kingdom and more, May 20, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=VA6ktIkjEXL3Y1Acca-F45F-9wOLWkMcqTopnUMBxEj7hlVBqA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Family Kingdom May 20, 2006 So, I was going to just walk down Broadway to get to Family Kingdom, but=20 my good sense got the better of me and I decided that if I wanted to=20 keep my hearing I would instead head down to the beach and make the walk=20 down. Now, here is where I don=E2=80=99t really care for Myrtle Beach. I figured= ,=20 being down to the Jersey Shore many times in my life, that there would=20 be a boardwalk or at least some sort of walkway along the beach. Well,=20 there isn=E2=80=99t, it is just sand and surf. No matter, I had my sandals= on,=20 so the sand did not bother me any, and it was a nice enough walk. By=20 this point it was really starting to get dreary and some fog had rolled=20 in off to the distance. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71829103-M.jpg Family Kingdom was easy to find, as their water park is right on the beach. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71829142-M.jpg I headed back inland and across the street to the park where I got a=20 wrist band and headed over to the Swamp Fox. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165707-M.jpg Interestingly (or maybe not), Swamp Fox is the third new to me John=20 Allen coaster I have been on this year. I found it to be a fun ride,=20 typical John Allen, not overly aggressive, some nice spots of airtime,=20 no laterals to speak of, and this was before the rain. I walked around the rest of the park checking out the different flats.=20 They have nice selection, all run fairly well, and all kept well: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71164604-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165634-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167376-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165861-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165931-M.jpg The dark ride was an interactive ride, and was pretty well done, but on=20 par with others like it. By the time I had gotten over to the carousel it had started to rain. I=20 had been wet once this day, so I hung out under the carousel as the=20 thunderstorm rolled through. This gave me time to get some nice photos=20 of this well kept, all horse machine. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71166958-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167221-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167183-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167257-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167159-M.jpg After about ten minutes the ran let up and the park started to come back=20 to life. Swamp Fox was not yet running, but I sample the rest of the=20 rides, and once done, I hopped back on the Fox. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165668-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165824-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71165788-M.jpg OMG, what a difference a little rain makes. This coaster took on a how=20 new life with the rain. I was fast, with airtime on every hill. The=20 back seat was giving an incredibly wild ride, throwing you over the=20 hills, especially the second drop. The coaster even showed some life in=20 the turn, screaming around them, and just barely skidding to a halt when=20 it got to the station. These were definitely better rides then earlier=20 in the day, and I got plenty of them. It was a pure joy to ride, and=20 I=E2=80=99m glad this coaster is staying put. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71167468-M.jpg So, I left Family Kingdom very content and headed back up to the=20 Pavilion to get a few things I had missed, like the Haunted Hotel. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159223-M.jpg I liked this darkride. It was well done, the stunts all seemed to work,=20 and I liked the theme. Some of the scenes were downright creepy. When I came out of the Haunted Hotel, I came into a downpour. The skies=20 had opened up, and the park had announced that it would be closing for=20 the evening due to the rain. I did take a quick walk around to photo=20 the now deserted park, as even thought they were closing, they seemed to=20 be in no real hurry to kick people out. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159261-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159360-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159449-M.jpg I like this shot. The light you see in the background is a flash of=20 lightning. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159406-M.jpg I headed back across the street to check out the arcades when the=20 heavens opened up and a torrential downpour started. Thunder,=20 lightning, windswept rain all came storming through. I hung out for it=20 to slow a bit, and then made my way back to the car and headed out of town. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159491-M.jpg I had a pretty good day in Myrtle Beach. It was not what I expected,=20 the crowds were light, but the storm and early closing really put a=20 damper on things. I would not make it to Busch Gardens on Sunday, I was just too beat from=20 the long Saturday. It really was biting off more then I could chew.=20 Well, it will be there when I am finally ready to get back there, the=20 Pavilion won=E2=80=99t, and that saddens me. It is a nice park, well cared= for,=20 with a great combination of old and new rides. I do understand that it=20 is sitting on some prime real estate, but it is a pitty that that land=20 will end up as a high rise condos or hotel. The park fits well in the=20 town, it is more the adult oriented park. I hope the rides, including=20 the Hurricane, can find new homes, though some of the unique rides, like=20 the water rides and Haunted hotel, will not survive, and that is a shame. Well, if you made it this far, thanks for reading, and please enjoy this=20 parting shot: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71159545-M.jpg --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat May 27 17:09:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96807 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (242684hfc134.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.84.134]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4S09bn5011823 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 20:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c681eb$042948f0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:09:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC NEWS : Makeover could turn Coney Island Tony By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=7WuCUUKEO6nHZLeE3bfwXM-6KbaLOHd-PIYUhbtRFwdeUW2Un0Yd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEW YORK - It's springtime in Coney Island, with all the familiar signs of the coming tourist season: The beer flows at Ruby's on the boardwalk, a help-wanted sign rests outside Nathan's Famous, stuffed animals appear in the cramped arcades. A soft ocean breeze rolls off the Atlantic - but by next summer, the winds of change will blow hard through the venerable Brooklyn beachfront where millions of Americans have frolicked and where both the hot dog and the roller coaster debuted. After a half-century of neglect, Coney Island is targeted for a $1 billion renovation aimed at creating a year-round attraction to compete against the theme parks that nearly obliterated the neighborhood. The work is at least a year off, but it's already the buzz of the beach. "Coney Island seemed like it was in a time warp, and would never change," said Dick Zigun, operator of the local Sideshows By the Seashore attraction. "Why not have a bigger, better, more exciting Coney Island?" Other local merchants agree - although some wonder if the unique local flavor will disappear once Thor Equities starts developing its $100 million in recently purchased properties. "People are worried about losing the certain character that Coney Island has always had," said Carol Albert, whose family runs the legendary Cyclone roller coaster and the Astroland Amusement Park. "It's a fine line. You don't want to lose the character, but ..." The "but" rests with Thor, developer of a three-block-long, one-block-deep section off the boardwalk, along with some other properties. Its CEO and founder, Joe Sitt, has a personal interest in the Coney Island project: he's a Brooklyn native and still jogs along the boardwalk. Sitt's local roots were a boon in avoiding the pitfalls that often plague major development, said Chuck Reichenthal, head of Community Board 13 in Coney Island. "He really does understand what Coney Island was, what it is and what it can be," Reichenthal said. The developer hopes for a final plan by July 1, with a variety of projects including a high-end hotel (perhaps shaped like a roller coaster), a water park, retail outlets and residential property. Today, the area along the boardwalk is a mix of vacant lots and vintage storefronts. Some things will remain untouched. The Cyclone, the Wonder Wheel and what's left of the Parachute Jump are all designated landmarks. But other sections demand attention: The rotting home of the old Playland arcade, or the once-grand Child's Restaurant, now splashed with spray paint and sealed with metal grates. Once finished, the plan will need city approval. Then, if everything goes right, construction could start by July 2007. Sitt has guaranteed all businesses on Thor property a location in his development, said Lee Silberstein, a spokesman for Thor. "Those lots may be boarded up next summer," said Silberstein. "But at the end of the process, you're going to have something very special in Coney Island." Coney Island once was something special, the most popular resort destination in the country. But "America's Playground" suffered though a long post-World War II decline. When the Cyclone opened in 1927, Coney Island was already the apex of American entertainment. Charles Lindbergh came to ride the great roller coaster. Sigmund Freud stopped by the Dreamland amusement park. However, a 1944 fire destroyed one of the great amusement areas, Luna Park. Developer Robert Moses, no fan of Coney Island, designed highways that made it easy to bypass the city beach - or just abandon it for the suburbs. City housing sprang up in the '60s and '70s - towering "vertical slums," as the locals called them. Crack arrived in the '80s. City officials also are betting on a revamped Coney Island. A new $240 million subway station was opened at Stillwell Avenue, once one of the dingiest stops in the entire transit system. And $83 million - including $73 million from the city - has been pledged to create better parking, new streets and open space. A new cultural center is expected to open by 2009. "It's a long process," said Reichenthal. "But people should come down this year and imagine what all those empty lots are going to look like in a couple of years. It's the start of a new era." ___ On the Net: Coney Island: http://www.coneyisland.com/ Astroland: http://www.astroland.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 27 17:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44922 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 00:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 00:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 00:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 86217 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2006 00:14:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060528001416.86214.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.239.71] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 17:14:16 PDT Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org, Dave Anderson , Rich Boehmer MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: The pendulum swings back to family parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cdnqqIbt4OG4wJMOdgSXLJyaBL57uX6_DEH7YrS1bvebr7YntzVG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's no surprise here: after years of catering to teen thrills, parks are rediscovering that family fun is where it's at. > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060522/ap_on_bi_ge/travel_trip_theme_parks_2 < Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46902 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:19:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:19:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c68133$17c528b0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: BGT-ok, be honest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=sAF-2AGw2ZAeeRC-FCKyveH4OX0iUX3-Soe0wvr_sBV-t3Wj4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" wrote: > > I'm not stepping anywhere near theme parks this weekend. : ) >=20 > Joe > Tampa, FL That's funny. The two parks I visited this weekend were practically dead. I think the longest I waited was 10 minutes, for Slope Shooter. A borderline coaster that seats between 1 and 4 per dispatch.=20 I'm looking forward to flying through another park tomorrow, and checking the status of a ride elsewhere in the city, before going out to the airport to do some curency exchange. I need some Euros for next week.=20 Then again, Memorial Day isn't very big in Japan.=20 ;) Chris B (Maybe I'll actually get out a TR for Parque Espana, Higashiyama Zoo this time!) :( From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:48:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3240 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 10:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 10:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 10:48:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:47:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 10:47:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:47:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060528001416.86214.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: The pendulum swings back to family parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Ka7K-shXj9GdVaIZ0onIphhrJJIhGv3_WOOfvsbvHe4F7fUlMA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > There's no surprise here: after years of catering to teen thrills, parks are rediscovering that family fun is where it's at. >=20 > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060522/ap_on_bi_ge/travel_trip_theme_parks_2 < >=20 > Jay The funniest bit was 6F and parades. Most of those parks have never, EVER had a parade! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun May 28 10:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7206 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 17:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 17:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 17:05:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 17:05:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 17:05:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:05:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=pKnt-K12760VRuL79EWBx0O8p35t_G0Kx8lk6zIdn1VsXYb3Pt9X--mmGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 yeah so against the better advice of the folks on this group, we=20 decided to go to BGT yesterday. we were voting on no, but the wife=20 really wanted to see the Kenny Rogers concert, so we went anyways.=20 we arrived with our baby son around 4. luckily a lot of the people=20 that must have been there in the morning must have left already,=20 because we were able to park in the very front of general parking.=20 we got to the front gate to process of season passes(thank you BG=20 for the kiosks at the front of the park) and after a rather lazy=20 search of our stroller and bags, we headed into the park. now, the last time we were here, the wife was pregnant and couldnt=20 ride any of the coasters. so needless to say she was jonesing to=20 ride some stuff. and since skeikra was still being built the last=20 time, it was new to both of us.=20 i watched the baby while she queued for skeikra, and thats when i=20 noticed just how crowded it was. in the stanleyville area where=20 sheikra is, it was literally hip-to-hip with people. luckily most=20 people were courteous with a guy with a stroller, which was a big=20 concern.=20 it was about a 45 minutes for the wife to get her ride in, so we=20 wondered the stanleyville area as best we could. it was really hot,=20 so i ended up standing in line for some bottles of water for about=20 30 minutes. i was surprised that though the water was expensive, it=20 still seems cheaper than what ive spent at SF parks.=20 there was also something else a little more disturbing i noticed- almost none of the water rides in the area were running, at least=20 while we were over there. Tidal Wave and Stanley Falls were both not=20 running, though the water was moving. this seems rather cruel on a=20 day that was this crowded and hot.=20 after we got some bottles of water we walked over to see the tigers=20 and the skyride. something else too, and i guess its something i=20 never noticed until i had a child-though not as bad as SF, there was=20 really loud music blaring from almost every corner. again,i never=20 minded before, but when you have a kid, trying to find a quiet area=20 of the park is difficult.=20 the wife finished her ride(at this point were were basically=20 standing at the obsevation area watching sheikra dive), which she=20 said was "meh" and too short. i knew id get to ride it later, so i=20 took her word for it, since this is basically what i had heard too.=20 at this point it was a little after 5, and since we were nearby we=20 walked over so that she could get a ride in on Kumba. again the kid=20 and i walked around the area, and then sat down over near the exit=20 of Python. soooo when is this thing getting taken down. i love the setting and=20 the foliage, but the ride itself looks like crap. ive heard that its=20 coming down sometimes soon. anyone know when? somehow a little arrow=20 corkscrew seems silly given the look and quality of the other rides=20 in the park. i also notice the load time for this thing was long=20 too. seriously, time to melt this thing down for scrap. the wife was done with her ride after about 20 minutes. she enjoyed=20 it and said it was running well. at this point we knew the concert=20 would be starting soon, so we traded off and she headed for the=20 concert. she said i should ride Kumba since the line was so short,=20 but i was dying to ride Sheikra. finally she talked me into getting=20 a ride in on Kumba.=20 the line was quite short, 15 mintues or so, and i was able to get a=20 seat in about the middle of the train(which they were stacking,=20 which happened at most of the coasters it seemed. i imagine they=20 were running maximum trains all day). though it was a good ride, it=20 did seem to be running rougher, and i got my ears boxed a couple of=20 times. the good thing is the brakes were barely on and since it was=20 so hot, it was flying fast. after Kumba i was dying to try Sheikra. the wait was about 45=20 minutes, but if i saw correctly, they were running 4 trains(loading=20 2 at a time). when i got up to the front i grabbed the second row.=20 sadly, the stacking was horrible. the incline is the steepest i=20 think ive been on so far(is the batman floorless at SFNE this=20 steep?), but it got us up there fast. the view was spectacular, and=20 i could see over at GwaziPpark was. all i saw was the huge crowd and=20 was a little concerned for the child and the baby. but then of=20 course i saw myself holding, staring down at the ground.=20 its a neat trick, and the coaster ran smoothly, but the ride is=20 really short. but overall its a neat ride, what with the hold at the=20 top, the huge loop and the water splash at the end. the only really=20 bad part was, again, the stacking. due to this, we sat on the brakes=20 at the end for about 10 minutes. in the end though a nice addition.=20 it looked like i still had some time before the concert was over, so=20 i ran over to the Egypt area to ride my favorite suspended, Montu.=20 as i went over and passed Gwazi, i could hear ol Kenny doing a=20 medley of his classic hits.=20 there was hardly any line at Montu either, so i got up near the=20 front in about 10 minutes. as always i was running good, if maybe=20 just a teeny tiny bit rough. again, the brakes were hardly catching=20 and it was flying as well. all in all still my favorite suspended.=20 i grabbed a couple of souviners from the gift store nearby, and at=20 that point the wife said she and the kid were done. they couldnt=20 even get inside the park to see the show on account of it being so=20 crowded. the other thing is there are NO trees in the park, which=20 she said made the park unbearably hot. she could hear the concert=20 from the Land of the Dragons area where she took the kid to play=20 some. so i met up with them at the gift stores at the front of the=20 park, where i picked up some more souviners(including a keychain=20 with the kid's name on it, which i will give him someday when hes=20 older, to remind him of his first park visit ever). we then headed=20 out to the car. a pretty good day in the end. i got to ride the 3 main coasters i=20 wanted to(im not that big into the others, though they are nice if=20 youve got the time to ride them too). yes it was hot. yes it was=20 crowded. but i got to ride more than i thought i would, and the wife=20 got to at least hear her concert.=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 28 15:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22148 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 22:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2006 22:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 22:19:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 22:16:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2006 22:16:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=6KdaLzj3SIXLhvi0PXydA7B1eZY8RiYXCnSBUCHECoXjFjejXg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > i watched the baby while she queued for skeikra, and thats when i=20 > noticed just how crowded it was.=20 > again the kid=20 > and i walked around the area, and then sat down over near the exit=20 > of Python. >=20 > soooo when is this thing getting taken down.=20 >=20 >=20 > i grabbed a couple of souviners from the gift store nearby, and at=20 > that point the wife said she and the kid were done. but i got to ride more than i thought i would, and the wife=20 > got to at least hear her concert. > Sorry to hear that the park was so crowded. On the occasion that I have been to a park during a concert event, the rides typically emptied out during the show. It must have been awful before 'The Gambler' got started! I'm surprised that either Busch doesn't have baby swapping, or you didn't take advantage of it! I think Python is the oldest Arrow Cork that hasn't been relocated. Maybe in time, they'll replace it / update the area, but that's not a huge footprint, is there lots of room around it?=20 Finally, could you please type up your TR's in a word processing program first, then copy and paste into your e-mail or the Yahoo group? That's help you a lot with your spelling / capitalization / punctuation. Thanks! Chris B From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun May 28 17:43:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23406 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 00:43:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 00:43:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:43:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=WyBvZgIYHn2cSdCCJuaMUue9sYS37mm7OyIuvc2sQ0Rub8EmJq78HIvylQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > Sorry to hear that the park was so crowded. On the occasion that I > have been to a park during a concert event, the rides typically > emptied out during the show. It must have been awful before 'The > Gambler' got started! well i think that since kenny appeals to a, ahem, older crowd, most=20 of which arent big on coasters, i think thats why the rides didnt=20 empty out.=20 > I'm surprised that either Busch doesn't have baby swapping, or you > didn't take advantage of it! its ok. i really didnt mind just walking around and waiting my turn.=20 we might look into a baby swapping program next time we are there. i=20 dont know if they have one or not though.=20 > I think Python is the oldest Arrow Cork that hasn't been relocated. > Maybe in time, they'll replace it / update the area, but that's=20 not a > huge footprint, is there lots of room around it?=20 there isnt not a huge amount of space, but id almost hate to see all=20 the foliage be taken out though. maybe if they put in a flat or=20 something like that.=20 =20 > Finally, could you please type up your TR's in a word processing > program first, then copy and paste into your e-mail or the Yahoo > group? That's help you a lot with your spelling / capitalization / > punctuation. Thanks! yeah i made the mistake of posting it before i proofread it. im=20 usually pretty good about that, but this time i was watching the kid=20 as i was writing it, so i screwed up some parts. sorry about that.=20 From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Mon May 29 04:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27159 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 11:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 11:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 11:43:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 11:42:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 11:42:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:42:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.150 From: "bastienfred" Subject: TR: Goliath, La Ronde, May 14 and 25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=-J4Rxt99iuuIu66BY5k6Rxo9FuFMIO1d_Gnx3Ur0lkWp7CazMIg X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred I had planned to spend a complete day at La Ronde for the opening on=20 May 13. However, I chose to postpone it due to inclement weather=20 conditions. The main issues of this 40th season are the new Goliath=20 and changes related to new Six Flags' management. On the former, two=20 short visits give me opportunities to experience this new ride=20 several times and to get an opinion about it. On the latter, it is=20 too soon to do a comprehensive analysis, but I can underline some=20 points. Goliath is the 9th roller coaster at La Ronde and the third built=20 since Six Flags purchased the park in 2001, following Le Vampire=20 (B&M, inverted, 2002) and Le Tobbogan nordique (Zamperla, zig-zag=20 wild mouse, 2003). The investments made by Six Flags now total 75M$=20 (CAN), including the new 19-M$ roller coaster. La Ronde claims that=20 Goliath is the highest (175') and fastest (68 mph) roller coaster in=20 Canada. However, according to Roller Coaster Database, the highest=20 is Dragon Mountain (186') at Marineland (but the highest drop is only=20 76'). I have never ridden Dragon Mountain. It is a mine ride and I=20 think that riders are never at 186' above the ground. I guess that=20 this is the measure between the lowest and the highest points of the=20 ride, rather than the highest distance between track and ground. In=20 short, claiming that Goliath is or is not the highest roller coaster=20 in Canada is a methodological issue that I am not going to solve in=20 this report! Most of Goliath's structure is outside the park, above the marina=20 area and the parking located at the northest point of Sainte-Helene=20 Island. Only the break zone and the station are inside, exactly=20 where a British Pub built for Expo 67 and an unpopular miniature golf=20 were situated. It is next door to the Old Village (the most quiet=20 area in the park), where souvenirs shops have been extended and=20 refurbished. The station design perfectly fits with the Village=20 architecture, with stone columns, green roof and dormer windows.=20=20 Same apply to the new photos kiosk and the Goliath Souvenirs shop,=20 both built close to the ride exit. (On this point, this year again,=20 there are more spending opportunities =96 souvenirs kiosks, beverage=20 and food carts, walking salesman =96 than year before.) Riders enter the queue area by walking under an arch where GOLIATH=20 appears with giant letters. The ride is sponsored by Telus and flags=20 of this company are installed throughout the queue area. When I went=20 to Goliath for my first ride on May 14, the queue line began at the=20 bottom of the stairs. Despite this short line, I waited for 30=20 minutes. In the finest Six Flags' tradition, only one train was=20 running. Just after, I was back for a second ride and I stayed in=20 line for 45 minutes for the front car. Once I was inside the=20 station, around 2:45 pm, a mechanic came and the second train was=20 added. A ride op asked to applaud the mechanic, emphasing how nice=20 he was to give us the chance to get a second train. In my opinion,=20 this is a perfect illustration of La Ronde's philosophy : guests=20 should know that there are very lucky to be at La Ronde; they should=20 not complain about anything; La Ronde does know what is appropriate,=20 guests do not. However, I have to admit that two trains were running=20 when I went for a short visit on May 25 (around 6:00 pm) and I didn't=20 have to stay in line more than 3 or 4 minutes to ride Goliath.=20=20 (Along the same line, I was enjoyed to see that both sides of the=20 double-track wooden roller coaster Le Monstre were opened, with one=20 train running on each side, on May 14 and 25. This is much more=20 better than last year, since the second track didn't open until mid- June.) From the station, we have a view on the diving theater. On May 14,=20 divers were already performing a show. This is an innovation related=20 to Mark Shapiro's wish to present more live entertainment, because=20 diving show has previously begun in June. The loading process is=20 fast according to La Ronde's standard, with four ride ops to secure=20 36 guests, divided into nine cars. A voice recorded explains in both=20 languages (French and English) the loading process and safety rules.=20=20 This message was difficult to understand the first time I went, but=20 it was louder and clearer the second time. There is no restraint=20 above shoulders and the lap bar is appropriately designed to give a=20 comfortable experience to riders. Once the train leaves station, we climb the 175-feet hill, following=20 by a 70-degree drop. At this point, the train reaches the highest=20 speed and performs an approximately 45-degree turn toward right.=20=20 Then, we climb up and down three hills in a straight line toward the=20 north point of the island. The next hill is a turn around, followed=20 by four smaller. The track does a small twist to the right, then to=20 the left, and we jump over the lowest hill just before the break zone. I did ride Goliath twice on May 14 and six times on May 25, choosing=20 various seats. My appreciation is mixed. On one hand, the journey=20 is VERY soft and provides a lot of airtime, always with a great=20 comfort thanks to the lap bar design. Riders get a beautiful=20 viewpoint on St. Lawrence river throughout the first half, then on La=20 Ronde, Jacques-Cartier bridge and Montreal downtown when they go back=20 during the second half. This is especially true in the front seats.=20=20 One the other hand, Goliath is not fast enough. In my opinion, speed=20 is (with airtime) the major issue with an out-and-back roller=20 coaster, since there is no inversion, no many curves and, in this=20 case, no helix. The maximum speed is reached during the first drop,=20 then the train quickly slow down from one hill to the next. I have=20 never experienced Nitro or other hypercoasters from B&M, but this is=20 an unexpected weakness for Goliath. Despite this, Goliath is a great addition to La Ronde's roller=20 coasters collection, which is very good for a regional park of this=20 size (I think especially about Le Monstre and Le Vampire). Now, the=20 park must improve customer service, operate rides more efficiently,=20 be more quick to fix mechanical problems (despite usual long lines,=20 Toboggan nordique ran with three cars rather than four during one=20 year; Pirate was closed for more than two months last year; Super=20 Manege - a Vekoma corkscrew - is actually closed since the beginning=20 of the season) and clean queue areas which are often disgusting. Fred From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon May 29 05:08:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8782 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 12:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 12:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 12:08:28 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:3985 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FkgXW-0001sF-Lm for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:08:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8a5d90c35986b0d1515211a6b0b94525@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:08:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: News from Holiday World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=8pB7eNNlP1K_zlNJKql4RRzK6v9zJJFg0n2zcBBEubHT4K65pp48tA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Begin forwarded message: > News report from the > Evansville Courier and Press: > > http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/news/article/ > 0,1626,ECP_734_4733172,00.html > >> By JIMMY NESBITT Courier & Press staff writer 464-7501 or >> nesbittj@courierpress.com >> May 28, 2006 >> >> A grounds crew supervisor at Holiday World theme park in Santa >> Claus, Ind., died Saturday afternoon after being pinned underneath >> a lawn mower he was operating. Eric M. Hempfling, 20, of Birdseye, >> Ind., was pronounced dead by Spencer County Coroner Bob Dooley. A >> LifeFlight helicopter was called to the park to meet an ambulance, >> but by the time it arrived Hempfling had died, Holiday World >> spokeswoman Paula Werne said. The accident occurred around 1:30 >> p.m. on a lawn outside the east side of the park. Hempfling was >> working by himself, mowing an area that had some inclines, Werne >> said. Werne said she could not elaborate because "there weren't any >> witnesses. We really feel it's not right to speculate on what >> happened. We're trying to look into what the situation was." >> >> Another employee found Hempfling pinned underneath the lawn mower >> and was able to lift it off of him with help from other employees. >> Hempfling had worked at Holiday World seasonally for six years. His >> father also works at the park. "He was here," Werne said. "It was >> horrible." >> >> Hempfling attended the University of Southern Indiana and majored >> in business. Holiday World employees from several departments knew >> Hempfling and spoke highly of him, Werne said. "He was very well >> loved. People are just broken hearted." The park will have a >> private memorial Monday for Hemp-fling before it opens. > --Dave Althoff, Jr. > > > > Ideas and opinions, shared or discussed in this group may not be used > or reproduced in any manner except for safety issues without the prior > consent of the author(s). Safety information and News Links can be and > should be shared. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 29 09:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70449 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 16:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E209A88 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:00:53 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <447733C0.9040304@aol.com> References: <447733C0.9040304@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:00:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Myrtle Beach Pavilion, Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Jl89Y9OCPT_-1QLUShncjmQp09fGshB_uIhrpvdY1vT8W89b X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, Awesome trip report, thanks! > http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/71658812-M.jpg Hah .. El Toro! Did you ride?! :) > And the Wild Mouse, which has been closed, Loved those mouse cars! Pity the ride isn't running, wonder if=20=20 someone will buy it? > the name Tsunami). It has G-Trains, in this case just one, which=20=20 > is never a good thing, but the train seemed to track fairly well.=20=20 > [...] The real problem is in the restraints. You get thrown into=20=20 > these tight U-bars lapbars that squish you in, with no padding to=20=20 > speak of. I remember when Legend had those evil trains .. I was bruised for=20=20 weeks after Stark Raven Mad 2001 (and I don't bruise easily). The ride does look pretty cool from your photos. > I loved the placement of the Scrambler, right in the middle of one of > the Hurricane=92s helixes. haha .. awesome! Back in my Roller-coaster Tycoon days, I used to=20=20 like putting tower rides in the middle of wood coaster helixes. > Finally I made it to the Mad Mouse, and Arrow version of the ride. I > really liked this ride, the visuals were great, and it had some nice > drops towards the end. It was not braked at all as well, making for a > pretty fast and furious ride, yet not too jarring or painful. Wow .. no-brakes, nice. The only Arrow mouse I've ridden is the one=20=20 at Michigan's Adventure, and I agree that they're pretty fun. > Then I took a look at, and ride on, the Carousel. wow .. that Carousel looks pretty freaking amazing! I can't imagine=20=20 someone not snapping that up, especially since it looks like it's=20=20 already in pretty good shape. > Oh, I did mention it was Bike Week, right=85 Probably why you could park easily on the ground floor of the garage! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 29 09:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12857 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 16:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:06:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85409A88 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:06:04 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E56056D-1268-45CA-A707-B1145F30ED7E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:06:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Amusement Parks without Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KhqiPWSnQLL6Fe9OCNgem4JZtqDTKWGKeXg8BXUSLXjJL3mT X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I got to thinking... the RCDB is a great resource, but perhaps it's > limited by the fact that it only reports on roller coasters, and not > other amusement rides. I've often thought that RCDB should expand into a more general Amusement Park Database, featuring all types of rides. Don't know how to go about making that happen... Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** There's no place * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** like 127.0.0.1 * / //\ ******************************************************************** \ >> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 29 09:25:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31156 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 16:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:25:29 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9200C9A88 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:24:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=eWt9VmV40Gbyg5eEXJJQOS-JoHa3Mp0nHqJUVLn34Bb-QCPD X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > so i ended up standing in line for some bottles of water for about > 30 minutes. i was surprised that though the water was expensive, it > still seems cheaper than what ive spent at SF parks. > > after we got some bottles of water we walked over to see the tigers > and the skyride. something else too, and i guess its something i > never noticed until i had a child-though not as bad as SF You really don't like Six Flags, do you? :) Actually, at most parks you can get free cups of iced water. I've been able to at every Six Flags park I've been to, and also Carowinds and PGA. Busch probably does too .. I found it to be a life-saver when it's really hot, I'd get a drink after every ride. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Yellow, Black * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** and Rectangular * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 29 10:20:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91620 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 17:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 17:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 17:20:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 17:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 17:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 17:19:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:19:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=bECnocfastTuf_JEe37ke2_H3wcfH7qK5KK0XntBpw5aSBtp5FoeFaVY2w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > > so i ended up standing in line for some bottles of water for=20 about > > 30 minutes. i was surprised that though the water was expensive,=20 it > > still seems cheaper than what ive spent at SF parks. > > > > after we got some bottles of water we walked over to see the=20 tigers > > and the skyride. something else too, and i guess its something i > > never noticed until i had a child-though not as bad as SF >=20 > You really don't like Six Flags, do you? :) hehehe...well i just think that BG is more accomidating to familes=20 than most SF parks are, which seem to cater to predominately=20 teenagers.=20 and BG has better coasters(let the flame war begin!).. =20 > Actually, at most parks you can get free cups of iced water. I've=20=20 > been able to at every Six Flags park I've been to, and also=20 Carowinds=20=20 > and PGA. Busch probably does too .. I found it to be a life-saver=20=20 > when it's really hot, I'd get a drink after every ride. its a possibility that they do, but i needed something i could pack=20 in the stroller, and bottles work better than cups obviously. now if=20 i was actually smart, i would have brought water with us(something i=20 need to realize now that im living in florida-bring water with you=20 EVERYWHERE!). the problem was that it was soo crowded, i just needed=20 to get some water from the place with the shortest line, and this=20 particular drink stand fit the bill.=20 From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 29 11:02:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20053 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 18:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 18:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 18:02:18 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.4b2.4b5580 (15888) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e10447b371e9e; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:02:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:02:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <447B3720.1080307@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=282bu-L1-DPis4GDb4NvN4pb5I-cEVzFJfVgJNePhtUZ1q6MWw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Doug Nelson wrote on 5/29/2006, 1:19 PM: > > > so i ended up standing in line for some bottles of water for > about > > > 30 minutes. i was surprised that though the water was expensive, > it > > > still seems cheaper than what ive spent at SF parks. > > > > > > after we got some bottles of water we walked over to see the > tigers > > > and the skyride. something else too, and i guess its something i > > > never noticed until i had a child-though not as bad as SF > > > > You really don't like Six Flags, do you? :) > > > > hehehe...well i just think that BG is more accomidating to familes > than most SF parks are, which seem to cater to predominately > teenagers. > > and BG has better coasters(let the flame war begin!).. > > No flame, I'm just going to say that you are wrong ;) > > Actually, at most parks you can get free cups of iced water. I've > > been able to at every Six Flags park I've been to, and also > Carowinds > > and PGA. Busch probably does too .. I found it to be a life-saver > > when it's really hot, I'd get a drink after every ride. > > its a possibility that they do, but i needed something i could pack > in the stroller, and bottles work better than cups obviously. now if > i was actually smart, i would have brought water with us(something i > need to realize now that im living in florida-bring water with you > EVERYWHERE!). the problem was that it was soo crowded, i just needed > to get some water from the place with the shortest line, and this > particular drink stand fit the bill. Yeah, with the stoller it should be much easier for you to carry things like water around, since you have to drag the stroller around anyway. I often will take a bottle of water with me into the parks, it is the one thing that it seems every park will allow you to take in. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon May 29 12:15:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93059 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 18:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 18:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 18:59:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 18:57:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 18:57:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:57:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8a5d90c35986b0d1515211a6b0b94525@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: News from Holiday World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=UfLZKh9lG0OpZlSikAFk8d_ZJoInDYiUwQ5oqAwp43oaYvOeHw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > Begin forwarded message: > > News report from the > > Evansville Courier and Press: > > > > http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/news/article/ > > 0,1626,ECP_734_4733172,00.html > > > >> By JIMMY NESBITT Courier & Press staff writer 464-7501 or > >> nesbittj@... > >> May 28, 2006 > >> > >> A grounds crew supervisor at Holiday World theme park in Santa > >> Claus, Ind., died Saturday afternoon after being pinned underneath > >> a lawn mower he was operating. Eric M. Hempfling, 20, of Birdseye, > >> Ind., was pronounced dead by Spencer County Coroner Bob Dooley. A > >> LifeFlight helicopter was called to the park to meet an ambulance, > >> but by the time it arrived Hempfling had died, Holiday World > >> spokeswoman Paula Werne said. The accident occurred around 1:30 > >> p.m. on a lawn outside the east side of the park. Hempfling was > >> working by himself, mowing an area that had some inclines, Werne > >> said. Werne said she could not elaborate because "there weren't any > >> witnesses. We really feel it's not right to speculate on what > >> happened. We're trying to look into what the situation was." > >> > >> Another employee found Hempfling pinned underneath the lawn mower > >> and was able to lift it off of him with help from other employees. > >> Hempfling had worked at Holiday World seasonally for six years. His > >> father also works at the park. "He was here," Werne said. "It was > >> horrible." > >> > >> Hempfling attended the University of Southern Indiana and majored > >> in business. Holiday World employees from several departments knew > >> Hempfling and spoke highly of him, Werne said. "He was very well > >> loved. People are just broken hearted." The park will have a > >> private memorial Monday for Hemp-fling before it opens. > > --Dave Althoff, Jr. Wow , I was there and didn't even know about it until the drive home. I heard people at the park talking about the helicopter , but nothing more = was ever=20 mentioned of it that night during the ERT. I remember seeing The Voyage down for about 30 minutes or so (atleast it se= emed like it)=20 around 1:30'sh.... so I guess that's why. (east side of the park?) Anyways, that was some sad news....=20 jeremy d. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon May 29 15:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25786 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 22:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2006 22:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 22:18:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 22:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2006 22:17:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:17:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.140.151.169 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Park coaster tallies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=pw3mSAyNx1T-WLYBhMJ7yhjC1YvmIEbXK2V8GlGE9Twppg5AZ3V7 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I uploaded an Excel file to the Files section with the results from a list I made this weekend. What I did was for each park in North America, I assigned points based on each coaster's performance in Mitch Hawker's coaster poll, and then tallied them up for each park. Steel coasters get 4, 3, or 2 points; kiddie coasters get 1 point, and wood coasters get 4 or 3 points each. The details for my methodology are shown on the "Methods" sheet. The top 10 parks: 48 Six Flags Magic Mountain 46 Cedar Point 40 Six Flags Great Adventure 37 Six Flags Great America 36 Six Flags Over Georgia 35 Paramount's Kings Dominion 34 Six Flags Over Texas 33 Paramount Kings Island 33 Paramount's Carowinds 33 Paramount's Canada's Wonderland Top independent park: Hersheypark Lowest average score for a top-10 park: Canada's Wonderland -- 14 coasters, none of them worth 4 points. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jzerkel@consolidated.net Tue May 30 09:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82326 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 16:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 16:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 16:40:55 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id HCM14203; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:40:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201c68407$bccbfb00$6501a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:40:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=51/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=bulk(1), refid=str=0001.0A090208.447C72DD.005B,ss=3,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=IUXace8773G9WIrjyPIywY880XUvQkYNFTmD92yaALjUBEz3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The place: Holiday World The company: My wife, our friends Janet and Kelly, and the two Jesses (Janet's grandson Jesse, and Kelly's son, Jesse) The reason: To return to a great family-run park and of course, our FIRST RIDES ON THE VOYAGE!! We arrived at the HW parking lot shortly before 10 am. After lathering on the sunscreen, we walked in the front gates right at 10 am and made a beeline for the new Thanksgivng section to ride the coaster that has received so much (well-deserved!) hype. I commented about all the flags flying at half-staff and Kelly's Jesse informed me about the unfortunate death of the the maintenance worker over the weekend. It was only about a 20 minute wait, which pleasantly surprised me. Kelly, Janet, and Kelly's Jesse were along for the ride, and we opted for a back-of-the-train ride. Janet's Jesse and my wife are not big on coasters, so they sat this one out. (Actually... both of them sat out *all* of the coasters, but I digress.) After my inaugural ride on the Voyage, I couldn't help but think... You know, Will Koch summed up this ride perfectly in his Holiblog Post a few weeks back. Here's the link: http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/2006_04_01_archive.html (Scroll down and read the post from Friday, April 21.) During the "Out" portion of this coaster, you are simply awed by the enormity of those first three hills, and you know as you crest each one of them, you will smile from ear to ear as you float out of your seat. The turnaround is very well done. You don't see that first 90 degree banking until you are just ready to enter it, and as soon as I saw it, I started laughing.... (and I didn't stop laughing until the final brakes!) You fly through those banked turns *so* quickly... you really don't feel like you're actually sideways... but you know that you are... hence my uncontrollable laughter. Another 90 degree banked turn, "back" through one of the tunnels you traversed during your out run, the midcourse brakes.... and then quite possibly one of the best elements ever on a wooden coaster..... the triple down tunnel. The temperature change in that tunnel truly is dramatic, and the airtime on each drop gets progressively more intense. My laughter is getting increasinly hysterical at this point. By the time we fly by/through/under the station house, I was still laughing, but I was *almost* ready for the ride to end. 2:45 is quite a long ride time, but one more 90 degree turn, a big swoop around and onto the final brake run. Quite simply....WOW! As someone who has been visiting this park for many years, I really did feel a sense of empathy when Will talked in his Holiblog post about how far this park has come in only 20 years. I first visited Santa Claus Land in 1983. Back then, it was little more than the Train Ride, a Scrambler, Tilt-a-Whirl, Monster, and Bumper Boats. Now, 23 years later, three World-Class Roller Coasters, one of the largest outdoor water parks in the country, and world-wide recognition. Truly amazing. We checked out our on-ride photos in the Voyage Gift Shop. One of the interesting pieces of decor in this building was a collection of Park Maps from Santa Claus Land/ Holiday World from throughout the years. All of these maps were framed, and it was fascinating to look them over and see how the park has changed and grown over the years. Sadly, though, only a couple of the maps had the corresponding year displayed on them. We met up with my wife and the other Jesse and we all rode Gobbler GetAway together. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed with this ride. The animatronic Granny in the queue line was difficult to hear and understand... (and I know this might seem like a silly thing to mention)... but I thought her mouth movements were poorly synchronized with the audio track. The Turkey callers, with their incessant and LOUD "Gobble, Gobble, Gobble, Chirp" quickly have me a headache, and I thought it was difficult to use them because you did not have an infrared "aiming dot" to assit you. (I know others have commented about this, but I don't remember if it was here where I read about that.) If anyone cares... Kelly's Jesse was the master Turkey caller from our car, scoring a 630. (I only scored 210.) I'll post a few other thoughts from our day a little later. But here, I must give special thanks to our friend Janet. Her employer (a local Printing company here in Effingham) buys a block of 1000 tickets each year for use by their employees/families/ and friends. Obviously, with a ticket purchase that large, there are benefits. Our one-day admission cost us only $22 per person. And each ticket came with a $5 food voucher. Compare that with a gate price of $37 (and no food voucher) and you can easily understand why I must take a moment here to say "Thank you, Janet!!!" Before I close, I was hoping that maybe someone from our list would post some thoughts from the Holiwood Nights ERT event from the weekend. We did have a few of you who were there, didn't we? Thanks for reading! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue May 30 10:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31928 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 17:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 17:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 17:27:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2006 17:26:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:26:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Park coaster tallies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=N0sSXkYw-Jt37rUf3a_x0NXi8jPDXzVEH1Bos4QNm4gDbsVljdA2 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > What I did was for each park in North > America, I assigned points based on each coaster's performance in > Mitch Hawker's coaster poll, and then tallied them up for each=20 > park. Incidentally, I do realize that sheer quantity of coasters doesn't=20 really gauge how good a park is. I compiled this list mostly just=20 out of my own curiosity. I like to fiddle around with maps and=20 wanted to make a map with different-sized dots showing where the=20 bigger amusement parks are, as an aid in planning road trips. The=20 quantity/quality of coasters is really just a first-order estimate=20 of park-visiting priority. Also, this will give me a fun data set to=20 work with as I learn GIS. I think the data's kind of interesting in its own right, and going=20 through the list helped me notice some parks I hadn't noticed=20 before. I hadn't realized what they had at, say, Worlds of Fun or=20 Arnolds Park. Or that the SeaWorlds outside of California have some=20 major coasters. Or that Wild Adventures had four, count 'em, four=20 kiddie coasters. Or that Canada's Wonderland somehow managed to put=20 together 14 coasters without a single one being highly-rated. It=20 also became very clear why places like Wyandot Lake, Frontier City,=20 and Wild Waves/Enchanted Village didn't carry the Six Flags brand=20 name. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 30 11:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85216 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 18:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 18:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 18:27:20 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fl8v4-0002Su-Bs for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:26:18 -0400 Message-ID: <447C8E4B.2010104@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:26:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <002901c681b4$380313e0$86541a18@THUNDER7NYFL> <4478A1C9.7020202@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4478A1C9.7020202@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538c59d764c90d2dc94b880b18dd822da67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Family Kingdom and more, May 20, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=TltB3r4V4BetD9Gf4XzvElr29VzOsR8R29k8rCUxc1bpqzc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just wanted to say thanks for the great TR's! And for showing me what we missed when we didn't do the Family Kingdom when we were in the area last year. Nice photos also! Now to try to catch up on everything else that is waiting for me after the move. Wheeee keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 30 11:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63982 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 18:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 18:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 18:56:46 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fl9O3-0006D8-IL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: <447C9551.2060201@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:56:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538ea340a6e00f31341b54bebdf316f7e45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=zwiS1SbZwGnRjOMuDFZgaK41nKwZMaHy84VH4uHePFhCTTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > I'm surprised that either Busch doesn't have baby swapping, or you > > didn't take advantage of it! > > its ok. i really didnt mind just walking around and waiting my turn. > we might look into a baby swapping program next time we are there. i > dont know if they have one or not though. They do have a baby swap program. Just let the attendants at the begining of the line know that you want to do a swap. Then when one of you comes off, the other one will be allowed to go in the exit, or sent up to the station some other way (it varies a bit from ride to ride) Just be sure to let them know before you get on. > > > I think Python is the oldest Arrow Cork that hasn't been relocated. > > Maybe in time, they'll replace it / update the area, but that's > not a > > huge footprint, is there lots of room around it? > > there isnt not a huge amount of space, but id almost hate to see all > the foliage be taken out though. maybe if they put in a flat or > something like that. There's actually a couple of old concrete platforms also right in the same area, as well as some room behind and around the coaster in the backstage areas that you can't see. The rumors are that whatever would eventually go in there would use some of that area in the back. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 30 11:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54258 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 18:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 18:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 18:53:46 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fl9KS-0001jQ-NT for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:52:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc53878b819354b86ae96258ec891ec39b408350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=hYu8RLZTavcPHlt4fAxp3U9QgEUW5MJovBHpM62UTKOnET8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nice TR for a return trip. Hope you don't mind if I chime in while I'm getting caught up... Doug Nelson wrote: > there was also something else a little more disturbing i noticed- > almost none of the water rides in the area were running, at least > while we were over there. Tidal Wave and Stanley Falls were both not > running, though the water was moving. this seems rather cruel on a > day that was this crowded and hot. I'm sure that no cruelty was intended. They must have run into some sort of mechanical holdup on them, and it happened to be at the same time. If the rides are closed for long term, then they don't run the water on them. Not much they can do about mechanical or other issues when they crop up. > but when you have a kid, trying to find a quiet area > of the park is difficult. There are some of them. This time of year it gets a bit louder than normal because they are cranking up for summer nights, where they play more music and play it louder. But there are areas. Over near the lorikeets it's usually pretty quiet. Also near the eagles behind the Hospitality House. I would have thought that it would be near the tigers also, but I guess not. > > the wife finished her ride(at this point were were basically > standing at the obsevation area watching sheikra dive), which she > said was "meh" and too short. i knew id get to ride it later, so i > took her word for it, since this is basically what i had heard too. Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like this. "Meh"? What is ehh about 2 vertical drops, one of which is 200 feet tall? Short? How quickly people forget that this is the only one of these that has more than a turnaround after the first drop. Are we really that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster anymore? I just can't for the life of me figure out what the heck people are expecting out of SheiKra that would have actually been reasonable to build. Sorry, just had to rant a bit. Don't take it personally. > soooo when is this thing getting taken down. i love the setting and > the foliage, but the ride itself looks like crap. ive heard that its > coming down sometimes soon. anyone know when? I don't know that anyone really knows when it's going, or what kind of timetable is going on. SheiKra has done such a great job of bringing in people that I don't think there is a rush for the next big development. It'll happen when it happens, and not before it happens. :) BTW, remember that line for your kid when they get older. It's great for driving them nuts. hehe > after Kumba i was dying to try Sheikra. the wait was about 45 > minutes, but if i saw correctly, they were running 4 trains(loading > 2 at a time). when i got up to the front i grabbed the second row. > sadly, the stacking was horrible. SheiKra doesn't stack. Almost ever, even when they're running 5 trains. A lot of people don't realize that if they're running 4 or 5 trains, they have to unload and load 2 at a time. They can not pull one forward and unload it until the next train has also been pulled forward and is ready to unload. It's not safe to do one when another is pulling into the station, and because of they they have to wait until the next train arrives and is parked. So what you may think of as stacking is actually built into the design. > its a neat trick, and the coaster ran smoothly, but the ride is > really short. See comments above about being "really short." Over 3000 feet long and a 3 minute ride, compared to (in the same park) Cheetah Chase (1200 feet, 1:50), Scorpion (1800, 2:15), Gwazi (very close at 3400 and 2:50), Montu (3900 and 3:00), and Kumba (3900 and 3:00). Do people not start counting the ride until it starts it's first drop? I sure don't hear people complaining about the other coasters being short... > the other thing is there are NO trees in the park, which > she said made the park unbearably hot. While it would be nice to have something providing some shade out there, it's not really possible because of several factors. It's a multi-use area, used for everything from concerts, festivals, fireworks, games and activites, etc. The trees would either get in the way or obstruct views. Depending on what is going on, they'll sometimes put some tents up, but that's about the best they can do. Happy to hear you had a great day. And please don't take my comments about SheiKra personally. After working at the park and hearing similar comments from other people, it just really started to become a peeve of mine. It's not directed towards you at all. And some of it is grumpiness from being tired from the move. :) Thanks for sharing. Now we just have to work out meeting at the park at some point. I'm sure that my kids would love to dote all over yours. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 30 14:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75004 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.195) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so822586nzf for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with SMTP id h17mr806751qbm; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.17 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:48:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=O3vvseeWX9P5m3DKhM2MntzxDS5TRSLdocG2W1p4IAsnVfT8TVzfQa8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like this. "Meh"? > What is ehh about 2 vertical drops, one of which is 200 feet tall? > Short? How quickly people forget that this is the only one of these > that has more than a turnaround after the first drop. Are we really > that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster anymore? Uh-oh! It looks like we've got a SheiKra fanboy on our hands! ;-) I'll tell you what I expected from SheiKra and never got - forces. The stats of the ride sound intimidating, and it's certainly visually impressive, but the ride itself is just plain dull. Honestly, the best thing I can say about it is that they did a fantastic job with the ride's setting and the view from the top is great. But there's no airtime on either drop, which is really quite an amazing feat of engineering if you ask me. There are no massive positive forces at the bottom of the drops. The water splash is ineffective from the ride itself. The inversion is decent - still not forceful, but fun - and then the ride just sputters out at the end. Why any park or company would want to build a 200' tall ride and then cater the forces toward families is beyond me. It's probably the least forceful ride in the entire park. I really wanted to like it, but I just don't have anything nice to say about the ride itself. It just makes me yawn. Since I'm clearly never going to write up a complete review of BGT based on my visit in March, I might as well give a few more impressions. We weren't at the park for long because it was hot, fairly crowded, and was the last park we visited, and I think everyone was just tired of going to parks. Still, everyone really loved the place. Next to the Mummy and Dueling Dragons, Montu was my brother's favorite coaster in Florida which disappoints me because I think Montu is stupid, but I'm glad someone likes it. Mom thought the park was gorgeous, and I'd have to agree. Dad loved the free beer, which I also obviously agreed with. My parents spent a lot of time just walking around through animal exhibits and such. They were particularly impressed with the Myombe Reserve, which is really cool, especially being able to see baby gorillas. Jon (16yo brother) and I basically just rode SheiKra, Kumba, Montu, and Gwazi once each. Kumba was as great as ever. Montu actually gave a pretty decent ride, though I still think the second half is weak. Gwazi was its usual temperamental self, this time giving a pretty rough ride with little airtime. They actually dispatched the trains together (!!) but something got goofed up and the other train cleared the lift way before we did. Scorpion was again running one train, which is unacceptable in a park this size, so we chose to skip it. This marks my second consecutive time at BGT without riding Scorpion because of poor operations. Operations are definitely one thing that has gone downhill at BGT. Coasters were consistently stacking, and ride ops were in no hurry. None of the coasters were running to capacity, even with 30-45 minute waits. We missed out on Rhino Rally and the skyride because of excessive wait times. I'm not sure whether capacity for the skyride could have been improved, but I know there must be something that can be done with Rhino Rally. Disney certainly manages. We tried the Pirates 4-D attraction, which was basically terrible. After seeing Shrek 4-D, Terminator II-3D, and It's a Bug's Life earlier in the week, it was almost painful to have to sit through this one. It was just a lot of water and even more juvenile jokes. Next time I'll pass. Maybe this makes it sound like I didn't enjoy my time at BGT, but that's not true. It's still one of my favorite parks in the country. I think the rides are top-notch, the landscaping is excellent, and the animal exhibits are great. We were visiting on free tickets because our last trip was so terrible, and this one wasn't a whole lot better. I'm hoping these are just exceptions and not the general trend. I think it's great that SheiKra is bringing in the crowds for them. Now it's time to concentrate on keeping people happy and on attractions for the whole family. Some flats would be a good idea, given that it's ridiculous to just keep the three or four they have. Some new, interactive animal exhibits might also be a step in the right direction. Either way, I'm sure I'll be back. The last couple of visits may not have been the best I've had, but BGT is still better than 80% of the parks out there. Those living in Florida certainly are a lucky bunch. Next up: My Wooden Coaster Weekend (or The Best Trip Nobody Ever Planned) -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 30 15:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60282 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 22:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2006 22:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 22:19:03 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FlCWq-0007Ep-CL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:17:32 -0400 Message-ID: <447CC47E.5010903@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:17:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc53873c233242047cd1ac3f3c0be03b52a5f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=y0HRX3fxwbz7eF1E4vhMZ7R5LSpMiuz91PMzm4DB2zH0pSk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like this. "Meh"? > > What is ehh about 2 vertical drops, one of which is 200 feet tall? > > Short? How quickly people forget that this is the only one of these > > that has more than a turnaround after the first drop. Are we really > > that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster anymore? > > Uh-oh! It looks like we've got a SheiKra fanboy on our hands! ;-) Not a fanboy, but certainly a fan. :P > > I'll tell you what I expected from SheiKra and never got - forces. Where did you ride on it? That has a lot to do with the forces you feel on the ride. > But there's no > airtime on either drop, which is really quite an amazing feat of > engineering if you ask me. Sorry Nate, but I'm going to have to strongly disagree on this. In particular from the back, but the front and middle doesn't lack for air on the drops either. Outside of Dania Beach's Hurricane, I would say that SheiKra easily has the most airtime of any coaster in Florida. It only has 3 spots, but they're very large spots. I honestly don't know how you missed it. There are no massive positive forces at > the bottom of the drops. They're there, but they come on gradually and ease off quick. It's been measured at 4.5-5 g's at the bottom of the drops, but because of how they're applied you don't notice them that much. The water splash is ineffective from the > ride itself. Yeah, but it's not meant for those on the ride, rather for those watching the ride. I admit that I would have really liked it to have something on the ride, but I don't mind not getting splashed while on it. The inversion is decent - still not forceful, but fun - Again, where did you ride? Left side it feels like a fairly gentle twist. Right side of the train you're tossed out of your seat at the begining of the twist and don't land in it again until you're in the middle of the turn around towards the midcourse. > and then the ride just sputters out at the end. Why any park or > company would want to build a 200' tall ride and then cater the forces > toward families is beyond me. It's probably the least forceful ride > in the entire park. The other three "big" coasters do have more forces throughout their rides, certainly. But it's not forceless. I really wanted to like it, but I just don't have > anything nice to say about the ride itself. It just makes me yawn. It's funny, because I really wonder what happened when you were riding it then. Even Robb "almost every new coaster is boring and sucks" Alvey has talked about how good SheiKra is and how surprised he was at how many forces, positive and negative, there were. You didn't switch bodies with him temporarily now, did you? :) I will say that I still like Montu better than SheiKra, and when I catch a good ride on Gwazi it'll edge it out. So SheiKra isn't my favorite ride in the park by any means, but it's nowhere near the slouch that some make it out to be. :) Wondering if we need to pull out the Sandy- Hostyl One clause from the long lost past. :P > Gwazi was its usual temperamental self, this time > giving a pretty rough ride with little airtime. They actually > dispatched the trains together (!!) but something got goofed up and > the other train cleared the lift way before we did. I've been hearing more and more that they're dispatching together recently, but still haven't been able to catch a dueling ride this year. Which side did you ride? Tiger has been noticeably less "rough" and with more air than Lion lately. Scorpion was > again running one train, which is unacceptable in a park this size, so > we chose to skip it. This marks my second consecutive time at BGT > without riding Scorpion because of poor operations. They only have one train for Scorpion, so can't do much about that problem, unfortunately. I think that the other 2 trains they used to have for it have been canibalized over the years. It's also not known for having the best ops. I think some of their ops have been stuck there after bombing in other areas. :) > > Operations are definitely one thing that has gone downhill at BGT. > Coasters were consistently stacking, and ride ops were in no hurry. > None of the coasters were running to capacity, even with 30-45 minute > waits. No disagreement. BGT is known for landscaping, animals, and cleaniness. I wish that I could say speedy ops was on there also, but... We missed out on Rhino Rally and the skyride because of > excessive wait times. I'm not sure whether capacity for the skyride > could have been improved, but I know there must be something that can > be done with Rhino Rally. Disney certainly manages. Rhino will never have great capacity. At it's best it can pump through about 800 people an hour, but it's rarely there. 500-600 is more common. There's multiple reasons, especially compared to Disney. Disney's Kilamanjaro Safari has trucks that seat around 3 times as many people at once as Rhino does. They always load at least 2 trucks at once (it may be more, I don't remember how many loading stations they have), just because of the sheer number of vehicles they have on the coarse backing up at the loading and unloading stations. And they don't have to deal with seatbelts on the individual seats either- people just sit down and slide over. So it's really not a fair comparison. We tried the > Pirates 4-D attraction, which was basically terrible. After seeing > Shrek 4-D, Terminator II-3D, and It's a Bug's Life earlier in the > week, it was almost painful to have to sit through this one. It was > just a lot of water and even more juvenile jokes. Next time I'll > pass. It's a Leslie Nielson movie, and several years old. Basically people love it or hate it. Most seem to love it, but there are certainly those that don't. > it's time to concentrate on keeping people happy and on attractions > for the whole family. Some flats would be a good idea, given that > it's ridiculous to just keep the three or four they have. Some new, > interactive animal exhibits might also be a step in the right > direction. The rumblings I've heard is that's the next areas they're focusing on. They want to bring the orangutans back out, along with some of the other animals backstages. And I've heard rumblings about 3 or 4 different possibilities on rides, with all but one being family friendly. > > Either way, I'm sure I'll be back. The last couple of visits may not > have been the best I've had, but BGT is still better than 80% of the > parks out there. Those living in Florida certainly are a lucky bunch. BGT's problems, in many ways, is being close to WDW and Universal. Any other place in the country and the bits you mentioned probably wouldn't be noticed, and the park would be talked up a lot more. But when people are visiting it after having been to WDW, which is in a class of it's own in almost every area, and Universal, which are incredible parks, it's easier to see some of the areas where BGT has some room to make up ground. I'll also say that the pool of people they get to draw employees from in Tampa is nowhere near the quality of the international mix you get in Orlando. That also makes a big difference, and one I didn't realize so much until I worked there. But I know exactly what you mean by sounding like you didn't like the park, when you really did. Just wish I'd been able to catch you when you were down here. > > Next up: My Wooden Coaster Weekend (or The Best Trip Nobody Ever Planned) Looking forward to that one. How long til we get to see it? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue May 30 18:52:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55374 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 01:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 01:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 01:52:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 01:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 01:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 01:52:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:52:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c68407$bccbfb00$6501a8c0@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=0D5YjIK6eRAd-VC64LIyx3SIXNYU8EL9mUJV_OBOOBeIEsSRjA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > Before I close, I was hoping that maybe someone from our list would post = some=20 thoughts from the Holiwood Nights ERT event from the weekend. We did have = a few of=20 you who were there, didn't we?=20=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading! > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) Well, since you asked Jon..... (Nice TR by the way) I wasn't able to get off work on friday until 5pm , and with a 5 hour drive= , even with the=20 time difference, I was unable to make it to the first nights ERT. I arrived shortly after 10pm Indiana time and got to the Santa's Lodge hote= l, and waited=20 for Brian, J and Nate and his friend. Come to find out, Brian had misplaced his keys somewhere inside Holiday Wor= ld ... luckily=20 Mike Ska's mom drove from Conneticuit to give Brian the extra set .... oh w= ait....=20 nevermind , wrong TR..... Anyways, The Voyage had taken Brians keys and was sooooo nice that it gave = them back=20 to one of the Employees who was then able to give it back to Brian. The Santa's Lodge Family Suite we all shared was rather nice. Nate and his = friend got the=20 *lovely* sofa bed, while J , Brian my fiance Erin and myself all shared the= 2 queen beds in=20 the bedroom. After hearing Brian and Nate's thoughts on the Voyage I was really looking = forward to the=20 next morning, which is probablly why I couldn't sleep at all. It really suc= ked to know that I=20 was the only Coaster Tool in the room that hadn't ridden it! Anyways, I got Brian and J up and managed to get over to the park sometime = after 10:00=20 pm so I could use Brian's Official Enthusiast Status (aka ... paid membersh= ip) to get my=20 HOLIWOOD NIGHTS tickets. $90.00 later I was in the gates. I think that the = almight Holiday=20 World could've atleast cut those late-comers a deal on the admission. But t= he ERT was=20 worth it. I wanted to give my fiance the tour of Holiday World before the total TOOL = in me kicked in=20 and ran back to The Voyage. We went to the Raven's queue and it was almost = all the way=20 full, with only one train op. We decided to wait and come back to that late= r. Next stop was the Legend (my former number 2 wooden coaster), this line had= n't yet=20 backed up, as it was running 2 trains and the public obviously stopped at t= he first one=20 they saw on the way to the water park. We had a somewhat decent early morni= ng ride in=20 3.2. Nothing to make my fiance go head over heels, yet. We then made the treck to the not-so-themed Thanksgiving section and got in= the=20 beautifully-shaded-well ventelated queue area. The wait was only around 30 = minutes and=20 that was about the longest I had to wait all weekend. Once we got into the station we got in line for the 2nd row. J had a headac= he so she was=20 opting not to ride, and me being the Coaster Tool I had Brian and J let som= eone go after=20 us, so when our train came back into the station , it would be Brian's turn= to ride. So J=20 stepped into and out of the train as I got back in for a RERIDE. After the first ride I felt totally wore out, and now I was punishing mysel= f by riding it again.=20 Everything that has been said about this coaster being awesome , is true. T= he first 3 hills=20 are amazing, each tunnel was cool & refreshing , the turn around was amazin= g and the=20 ride was totally non-stop crazy. The return trip feels like it's never going to let up, it's throwing you fr= om one side to the=20 next. I agree with Jon in that it can make you laugh a little, especially w= hen you hear other=20 peoples reactions to the laterals and air time. I can honestly say that from the station fly through, until the end of the = ride, I am holding=20 on for dear life and loving every second of it. Throughout the course of the day , pre ERT , I got 4 rides on The Voyage , = one Gobbler=20 Getaway , 2 Raven rides , 3 Legend rides , Halloswings , Louis&Clark Trail = , the two water=20 rides,some other flats and plenty of Fruit Punch/Iced Tea/Gatorade. ( I do= n't drink soda,=20 anymore) We took a break to go to the store to get some Allergy Eye Drops and back t= o Santas=20 Lodge to take a shower and power nap before the BUFFETT, uhh I mean ERT. We made it back to the park to get that 2nd Raven ride and then we purchase= d our Next=20 Day tickets (which I regret) and then headed back to the Voyage to meet Bri= an/Nate/J. By=20 the time I got back there, they had closed the Voyage que, so we waited w/ = J for Brian and=20 Nate to get off the ride. Brian came down while Nate got 2 more rerides to = end the night=20 for the GP. We then headed back to the Buffett and got a hot dog and some cookies, list= ended to the=20 results of the Silent Auction and then headed out for our ERT. I was surpri= sed to find out=20 that the incident earlier in the day wasn't mentioned. Everyone was headed toward Voyage (which seemed to be the thing all night t= o do). We=20 went to Legend and got a ride in the front, which was much better then the = earlier rides.=20 Brian wasn't up for the challenge, so he was nice enough to wait for the fr= ont seat w/ J and=20 gave me the reride when our train came back in the station. Then when me an= d J came=20 back to the station, we saw an empty row and jumped on it. Later in the nig= ht it would be=20 almost the same scene as only the front and back seats had a one to two tra= in wait. The same was with Raven, which was even more hilarious, seeing as how this = was the=20 parks PRIDE & JOY. We walked into the station, and one train had just left = with hardly=20 anyone in it. The queue had only one other couple waiting in the back seat = .... quite=20 laughable I opted for a front seat ride to close out my weekend on the *leg= endary* Raven. We then went back for more Voyage, which is were we found everyone else. We waited about 20 minutes and got a nice towards the back ride. This is wh= ere I noticed=20 the only two great spots the back has compared to the front. The third inst= allment of the=20 Tripple Down and the *sweet spot* that me and Nate have declared the *BEST = PART*=20 (snap..snap). It's hard to explain what it is we're talking about, but it's when the trai= n is goign down hill=20 and changes directions twice , kinda *sea sick* sorta feeling. I just feel = that part is waaay=20 better in the back since you're being dragged through it, rather than being= pushed=20 through it when you're in the front. After a few more rides on the Voyage, it was almost closing time. Me and Na= te were the=20 only takers on more rides, so the rest took my car and headed back to the L= odge. Me and=20 Nate planned it out to wait for the front seat, until all the other people = made it in the line.=20 Once the line was closed, we waited for a close to the front seat and were = able to squeeze=20 out 3 great rides in a row to close out the night. Anyways, the next morning Erin and I got up and headed over to the park. it= was very very=20 hot , and The Raven and Legend were both running 1 train. The crowd was unb= earable and=20 not acceptable for a holiday weekend. We walked back to The Voyage and noti= ced it wasn't=20 open yet. We took two rides on Gobbler Getaway, Erin got yelled at for Geor= ge Burnashin'=20 it on the ride and answering her cell phone. The Voyage began to test and we lined up outside, after 5-10 minutes later,= we decided to=20 take some shade. A walk up to the Scarecrow Scrambler and the Hallowsings ,= we then=20 went to Kringles Kafe for some Pizza and a Chicken Salad. We were both tired and weren't wanting to put up with the crowds. So Erin w= ent shopping=20 and I went for a final Voyage ride. I waited for the Front Seat ride, which= was my only time=20 in the actual front seat, and I had a really enjoyable ride. It helped back= up the fact that I=20 had already declared The Voyage my new Number 1 wooden coaster. The Voyage has everything you could ever ask for. After 12 plus rides, I st= ill can't tell you=20 the actual layout of the thing. It is just so crazy and confusing that it k= eeps me guessing=20 each time I ride it , especially in the dark at night! Good Job to Holiday World , just wish I didn't have to pay $90 for only hal= f of the event ;=20 and mad that I opted to go back the next day knowing it was going to be fre= aking=20 crowded. jeRemy d. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 31 02:37:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12102 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 09:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 09:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 09:36:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 09:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 09:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 09:36:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:36:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KydSpTtdgy1qiI4Um1EYjfjbhOeyEDS7ItQbkIMYZGdi67ZsaA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I waited for the Front Seat ride, which was my only time=20 > in the actual front seat, and I had a really enjoyable ride. It helped back up the fact that I=20 > had already declared The Voyage my new Number 1 wooden coaster. >=20 > The Voyage has everything you could ever ask for. After 12 plus rides, I still can't tell you=20 > the actual layout of the thing. It is just so crazy and confusing that it keeps me guessing=20 > each time I ride it , especially in the dark at night! > jeRemy d. > Ok, rub it in.=20 I think I'm going to miss closing weekend by 5 days or so.=20 My consolation prize is that I will make 6FGAm before closing for the long, cold, coasterless season.=20 Chris B (Leaving for Amsterdam on Monday!) From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 31 05:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13482 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 12:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 12:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 12:02:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B420E9A88 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F2B3711-27B5-4977-8D65-A88E33B32E13@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:02:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=adce3evv13Ta22R7QPUrxkTMMYbyHOlFZzO7xjNnlLG7S7Xc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > My consolation prize is that I will make 6FGAm before closing for the > long, cold, coasterless season. > > Chris B > (Leaving for Amsterdam on Monday!) Yeah .. you have nothing to complain about! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Where did you get * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** such a lovely spatula?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed May 31 07:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78455 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 13:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 13:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 13:57:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 41226 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2006 13:57:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060531135702.41224.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:57:02 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:57:02 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=EZLzePD4DrvGNymyDiRotlE8J8MafcMtQHwYlYCGEDYedBYn X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- george burnash wrote: > Do people not start > counting the ride until it starts it's first drop? > I sure don't hear > people complaining about the other coasters being > short... Actually, I *do* only consider a coaster ride time as the time after the first drop (launch coasters aside). Seriously, I dont think Maggie is such a long ride just because it takes a whole minute to get to the top. Granted, the rest of the line is long as well. But I think that only dealing from drop-to-brakes is a fair measurement of ride time. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 31 07:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4510 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 14:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 14:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 14:35:04 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FlRmV-00039N-1A for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: <447DA985.2000907@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:34:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc53899f6ee31a95c1f40043329f5599f1518350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Amusement Parks without Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=HkHKr6nlkKMLlyG7t6dcHzQEnuROt4wDKE0ktyU3uAX7tdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" > wrote: > > > > I got to thinking... the RCDB is a great resource, but perhaps it's > > limited by the fact that it only reports on roller coasters, and not > > other amusement rides. If a park doesn't have a roller coaster, it's > > shut out of the rcdb. > > > But I'm wondering if we might > > put together some kind of collaborative list of the best amusement > > parks that lack roller coasters, at least trying to include all the > > locations that fit the classical definition of an amusement park, > > without bothering with minigolf, etc. There actually is a site that does this already- thrillnetwork.com Their database includes coasters, flat rides, dark rides, and all sorts of other attractions at big parks, small parks, flea markets, and most other kinds of places that have any sort of ride. Realize that it is a huge undertaking to put together that sort of database, so it is a constant work in progress with new parks and rides being added to it all the time. But it's as close as there is right now to what you're looking for. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 31 07:41:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85829 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 14:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 14:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 14:41:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:41:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447C9551.2060201@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=PGRCA34jhZtJaqKBUWVMS0lUdrIDVo3V3yMKiqCgPWpZ_Pwjrrzw3mNICA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > They do have a baby swap program. Just let the attendants at the=20 > begining of the line know that you want to do a swap. Then when one=20 of=20 > you comes off, the other one will be allowed to go in the exit, or=20 sent=20 > up to the station some other way (it varies a bit from ride to ride)=20 > Just be sure to let them know before you get on. awesome! thanks for the info, george. that will make the park much=20 more enjoyable on future visits.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 31 07:58:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98785 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 14:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 14:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 14:57:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 14:56:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:56:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=WOX2KfxNu0wuJhsFt7S0ho21CBXvGh1d0mkYdLNL6T-QtmEW6hGj3hSO7g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > I'm sure that no cruelty was intended. They must have run into=20 some=20 > sort of mechanical holdup on them, and it happened to be at the=20 same=20 > time. If the rides are closed for long term, then they don't run=20 the=20 > water on them. Not much they can do about mechanical or other=20 issues=20 > when they crop up. oh i know. i was just being facetious. obviously they wouldnt do=20 something like that on purpose. it was fun to sit around and hear=20 people around us grousing about it, as if it was some kind of=20 conspiracy.=20 > But there are areas. Over near the=20 > lorikeets it's usually pretty quiet. Also near the eagles behind=20 the=20 > Hospitality House. I would have thought that it would be near the=20 > tigers also, but I guess not. yeah the lorikeet area seemed to be the quietest area. hear the HH=20 is sort of quiet, but since its so close to so much other stuff,=20 there is a lot of ambient noise from kids and so forth. it wasnt too=20 bad near the tigers, but a few feet in any direction and it cranked=20 right back up.=20 > Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like=20 this. "Meh"?=20 > What is ehh about 2 vertical drops, one of which is 200 feet tall?=20 > Short? How quickly people forget that this is the only one of=20 these=20 > that has more than a turnaround after the first drop. Are we=20 really=20 > that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster=20 anymore?=20 > I just can't for the life of me figure out what the heck people=20 are=20 > expecting out of SheiKra that would have actually been reasonable=20 to build. >=20 > Sorry, just had to rant a bit. Don't take it personally. you bastard! :P no, i know what you mean. i think that after the=20 hold, almost anything else is a letdown after that, since thats its=20 main trick. you have to understand that my wife and i are both=20 element whores, so we tend to prefer a coaster that has a lot of=20 stuff like that in it-cobra rolls, inline twists and so forth. plus,=20 when you wait 45 minutes or an hour for a ride in the florida heat,=20 i think you want something that NO ride can deliver on. your=20 expectations are too high at that point. yeah, its a spoiled=20 attitude. i guess to an extent thats part of it too.=20=20 it is a good ride, but i think wed both rather take kumba or montu=20 any day over sheikra. it is nice that i live close to park that has=20 a ride that is the only one of its kind in the country. now if they=20 would just get a flyer and 4th dimension he he he... > I don't know that anyone really knows when it's going, or what=20 kind of=20 > timetable is going on. SheiKra has done such a great job of=20 bringing in=20 > people that I don't think there is a rush for the next big=20 development.=20 which i have no problem with at all. id rather they take their time=20 and put in something really awesome. they havent really made any=20 missteps are far as new installations go, so id rather they wait and=20 pick something perfect instead of just throwing something in for the=20 sake of just having another ride anyplace>coughcough<. besides=20 there are so many other things to do in the park, i still cant fit=20 it all in in one day.=20 > It'll happen when it happens, and not before it happens. :)=20=20 BTW,=20 > remember that line for your kid when they get older. It's great=20 for=20 > driving them nuts. hehe grasshopper thanks you for that one!=20 =20 > SheiKra doesn't stack. Almost ever, even when they're running 5=20 trains.=20 > A lot of people don't realize that if they're running 4 or 5=20 trains,=20 > they have to unload and load 2 at a time. They can not pull one=20 forward=20 > and unload it until the next train has also been pulled forward=20 and is=20 > ready to unload. It's not safe to do one when another is pulling=20 into=20 > the station, and because of they they have to wait until the next=20 train=20 > arrives and is parked. So what you may think of as stacking is=20 actually=20 > built into the design. i see what you are saying. still seems sitting for 10 minutes on the=20 end is a little ridiculous though.=20 > See comments above about being "really short." Over 3000 feet=20 long and=20 > a 3 minute ride, compared to (in the same park) Cheetah Chase=20 (1200=20 > feet, 1:50), Scorpion (1800, 2:15), Gwazi (very close at 3400 and=20 2:50),=20 > Montu (3900 and 3:00), and Kumba (3900 and 3:00). Do people not=20 start=20 > counting the ride until it starts it's first drop? I sure don't=20 hear=20 > people complaining about the other coasters being short... i think possibly its a matter of perception. the ride sort of blows=20 its wad so early in the ride, that after that it just feels that its=20 over really quickly. to me its sort of like Hulk-the launch is=20 everything, and the other stuff is just icing on the cake, but still=20 not the cake itself. therefore, it feels really short too.=20 > While it would be nice to have something providing some shade out=20 there,=20 > it's not really possible because of several factors. It's a multi- use=20 > area, used for everything from concerts, festivals, fireworks,=20 games and=20 > activites, etc. The trees would either get in the way or obstruct=20 > views. Depending on what is going on, they'll sometimes put some=20 tents=20 > up, but that's about the best they can do. ah, fireworks. that makes sense. i didnt think about that. yeah i=20 would imagine fireworks and treess are not a good combination.=20 Now we just have to work out meeting at the park at=20 > some point. I'm sure that my kids would love to dote all over=20 yours.=20=20 yeah it funny. hes only 7 months old but most kids LOVE him. hes=20 gonna be such a ham when he grows up, and a heartbreaker too it=20 would seem.=20 but yeah, as soon as you come back this way, let me know and we can=20 meet up. then we can settle all this "sheikra is too short/look at=20 me, im a sheikra fanboy" stuff face to face lol!=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 31 08:06:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9033 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 15:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 15:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 15:06:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 15:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 15:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 15:04:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:04:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=eqRrWLtLl6ZTvvooUKnlSjwWTMH2seestUQUhBz6OjrOJ0gg2lx-MRQwgg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: >But there's no > airtime on either drop, which is really quite an amazing feat of > engineering if you ask me.=20 huh? i felt a huge amount of airtime on the drop. maybe it was the=20 heat or something, but i felt a lot of airtime on the drop, at least=20 the first one.=20 > Why any park or > company would want to build a 200' tall ride and then cater the=20 forces > toward families is beyond me. i ran this by my wife and she sort of agreed-maybe since they dont=20 have a drop tower, this was their way of having something similar=20 AND something completely unique, coasterwise. sort of killing 2=20 birds with once stone.=20 > Still, everyone really loved the > place. Next to the Mummy and Dueling Dragons, Montu was my=20 brother's > favorite coaster in Florida which disappoints me because I think=20 Montu > is stupid, but I'm glad someone likes it.=20 its my favorite inverted, so far anyways.=20 > We missed out on Rhino Rally and the skyride because of > excessive wait times. I'm not sure whether capacity for the=20 skyride > could have been improved, but I know there must be something that=20 can > be done with Rhino Rally. Disney certainly manages.=20 RR, while an interesting concept, i dont like. a lot of hype to me=20 without a lot of payoff. and yeah the capacity on it was really=20 annoying.=20 From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed May 31 08:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41777 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 15:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 15:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 15:19:38 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.465.24334aa (15862) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6447db3e61ea; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:19:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:19:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2F2B3711-27B5-4977-8D65-A88E33B32E13@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <447DB3E7.8010608@aol.com> References: <2F2B3711-27B5-4977-8D65-A88E33B32E13@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=qR9JNgg1vXCh2hWrqcl2YNid4k-ItaXSndqPVx0SKvnYg6DzBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 5/31/2006, 8:02 AM: > > My consolation prize is that I will make 6FGAm before closing for the > > long, cold, coasterless season. > > > > Chris B > > (Leaving for Amsterdam on Monday!) > > Yeah .. you have nothing to complain about! :) I was thinking the same thing ;-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 31 08:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96215 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 15:30:52 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i24so43357wra for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.253.9 with SMTP id a9mr300505qbi; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.17 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:30:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447CC47E.5010903@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> <447CC47E.5010903@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VmSznVJXaVks3CyMruWDCO30S-0iu8brUroQDsBz2zUQlm50url6_nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Uh-oh! It looks like we've got a SheiKra fanboy on our hands! ;-) > > Not a fanboy, but certainly a fan. :P Well, maybe a little bit of a fanboy. :) > Where did you ride on it? That has a lot to do with the forces you feel > on the ride. I rode in the last row, as that's where I was told all of the forces were. I couldn't grab an end seat, but I was three in from the right. If what I felt were SheiKra's forceful rides, I'd hate to know what riding in the front is like. > Sorry Nate, but I'm going to have to strongly disagree on this. In > particular from the back, but the front and middle doesn't lack for air > on the drops either. Outside of Dania Beach's Hurricane, I would say > that SheiKra easily has the most airtime of any coaster in Florida. It > only has 3 spots, but they're very large spots. I honestly don't know > how you missed it. I honestly don't know how a ride with only two drops has three spots of air. ;-) Seriously, there was no major airtime on either drop. I felt like we were being slowly lowered down both of them instead of falling over with enough speed to create a feeling of airtime. Florida certainly doesn't have a lot of airtime machines, but I think the Hurricane and Gwazi both have more airtime than SheiKra...and possibly Kraken and Fire Dragon also. > There are no massive positive forces at > > the bottom of the drops. > > They're there, but they come on gradually and ease off quick. It's been > measured at 4.5-5 g's at the bottom of the drops, but because of how > they're applied you don't notice them that much. I take it we're basically in agreement here then. > The water splash is ineffective from the > > ride itself. > > Yeah, but it's not meant for those on the ride, rather for those > watching the ride. I admit that I would have really liked it to have > something on the ride, but I don't mind not getting splashed while on it. I didn't expect to get wet, and I'm fine with that. But I thought the looong stretch of flat track was just an interruption, and killed any speed the final helix would have had. > Again, where did you ride? Left side it feels like a fairly gentle > twist. Right side of the train you're tossed out of your seat at the > begining of the twist and don't land in it again until you're in the > middle of the turn around towards the midcourse. I certainly didn't experience anything like that. That inversion seems far too large to do any sort of tossing. > It's funny, because I really wonder what happened when you were riding > it then. Even Robb "almost every new coaster is boring and sucks" Alvey > has talked about how good SheiKra is and how surprised he was at how > many forces, positive and negative, there were. You didn't switch > bodies with him temporarily now, did you? :) If I switched bodies with Alvey for a day, I'd do things that wouldn't be appropriate to mention on this board. But nobody would really believe I was him anyway, since I don't go around blatantly breaking park rules. Maybe it was a fluke, maybe it wasn't. The more coasters I ride the more intense I like them, so it's possible SheiKra just wasn't my thing. My brother thought it was boring too, though, so I'm not sure. I wish I could have gotten a second ride, but I wasn't up for waiting for another 45 minutes. > > Gwazi was its usual temperamental self, this time > > giving a pretty rough ride with little airtime. > Which side did you ride? Tiger has been noticeably less "rough" and > with more air than Lion lately. I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers Lion to Tiger, so that's where we rode. From my experience, Lion has had a few more pops of air than Tiger, so I've always found it more interesting. > They only have one train for Scorpion, so can't do much about that > problem, unfortunately. I think that the other 2 trains they used to > have for it have been canibalized over the years. I suspected that, but it doesn't make it any more acceptable. I'm guessing the most they could ever dispatch is 24 trains/hour, which is 480pph. That's just awful capacity, especially in a park that big. There must be Schwarzkopf trains/parts floating around somewhere they could have used. What about the trains from SFAW's Viper? This is such a great ride, and it's a shame the park is basically ignoring it. > Rhino will never have great capacity. At it's best it can pump through > about 800 people an hour, but it's rarely there. 500-600 is more > common. I think that's about what I estimated last time we discussed this. I realize Rhino has problems that Kilamanjaro Safaris does not have, but there must be some way to increase the capacity on the ride. Altering the vehicles to accomodate more people is probably out, but perhaps a modified loading area that allowed for more than one truck at a time would allow them to dispatch more than one vehicle every minute and a half. Not enough ride vehicles shouldn't be an excuse. > Disney's Kilamanjaro Safari has trucks that seat around 3 times as many > people at once as Rhino does. They always load at least 2 trucks at > once (it may be more, I don't remember how many loading stations they > have), just because of the sheer number of vehicles they have on the > coarse backing up at the loading and unloading stations. There's no doubt the Disney ride is an amazing capacity machine. I think they can load something like eight to ten trucks at a time. And yes, those vehicles are huge and easy to load. There's no way the capacity on Rhino will ever come close to that, you're right. But 600pph is a dismal capacity for such a popular attraction. That whole area just needs some serious work. > It's a Leslie Nielson movie, and several years old. Basically people > love it or hate it. Most seem to love it, but there are certainly those > that don't. I actually like Leslie Nielson, and I still thought it was terrible. :-) > BGT's problems, in many ways, is being close to WDW and Universal. > Any > other place in the country and the bits you mentioned probably wouldn't > be noticed, and the park would be talked up a lot more. I agree. BGT is kind of stuck somewhere between being a destination park and regional park. Throw in the zoo elements and it makes it really unique in the industry. The problem is that those who go there expect it to behave more like a destination park, and it doesn't always pull that off. Capacity needs more attention, for instance. > > Next up: My Wooden Coaster Weekend (or The Best Trip Nobody > > Ever Planned) > > Looking forward to that one. How long til we get to see it? Depends on how busy work is today. ;) -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed May 31 08:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24024 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 15:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 15:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 15:44:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 15:43:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:43:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447DA985.2000907@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Amusement Parks without Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=iZIWY1e3EsapgZkcTMHnaCiUcouKKOX24Mjk1AVUvE1rrNaph-d3 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > There actually is a site that does this already- thrillnetwork.com=20 Hey, cool. I just took a quick look at the site and it looks good.=20 I'll have to take a more in-depth poke around that place later. Thanks=20 for the tip! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed May 31 08:47:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27458 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 15:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 15:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 15:46:26 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:3779 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FlSt8-0006Wl-7e for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:45:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <57f72032a054b62bbfabe292631ad6fc@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:45:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: TR: SFNE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=pOOgz-tbfRhomS7HelncRThqdFkUYcvFuoLPc40N3gJpaiXLTwLfvA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam My friend Craig and I went to SFNE on Sunday. We arrived around 3:30 and stayed until close. First up was Pandemonium (f/k/a Mr. Six's Pandemonium), a Gertslauer spinning coaster. The operations were solid and the line moved fairly fast for a low-capacity ride. It's a fun little ride, though we were too well-balanced so there was relatively little spinning. Some of the Mr. Six theming is still up, including him spinning up top and the name of the ride shown on the sign at the start of the queue. Then we headed to SROS. The first ride was in the very back, and I frankly wasn't sure initially why I consider it my favorite steel coaster; it was fun but underwhelming on that ride. Then we waited for the front seat, and I remembered. Got a total of 4 or 5 rides in, including nearly the last ride of the day at around 9:15, which was the best ride I think I've gotten on the coaster ever. Crazy fast, dark (as dark as it gets anyway), and, well, awesome air. Average wait for any non-front seat was around 30 minutes; waiting for the front added another 20-30 minutes. Not bad for a holiday weekend and what felt like a pretty full park. Also got a ride on Thunderbolt, which was running better than I remember -- nice pops from time to time -- and Poison Ivy, which is a cute Zierer junior coaster I hadn't gotten around to before. We stood in line for Batman: The Dark Knight, a B&M floorless. Despite the fact that they were running both trains, the ride cycle was a full seven minutes (I timed it). After a half-hour or so and barely any movement, we bailed. It's a fun ride but not worth that irritation. Overall impressions...well, the park looked good in terms of litter and the bathrooms were relatively clean. The no-smoking policy was more in theory than in practice. We saw at least 4 or 5 people smoking in line in full view of ride ops who did nothing. (The lead at SROS made an announcement about it but didn't call security, etc., when the guy ignored him.) At one point, we saw two security guards talking to a woman smoking on the stairs next to SROS's tunnel -- not a smoking area -- and they didn't even tell her to put it out. SROS' operations were okay, especially compared to B:TDK; some stacking but rarely more than 30 seconds on the brakes, and it didn't feel like the ops were being pokey. Overpricing is rampant - $15 for parking, $6 for a slice of pizza, $3.50 for a bottle of Gatorade - but what else is new? The new Papa John's is marginally better than Pizza Hut, but, well, it's still amusement park pizza. But it could still be a dump and SROS would be enough to make me want to go back. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 31 11:11:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3884 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 18:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 18:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 18:11:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 18:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 18:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 18:09:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:09:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57f72032a054b62bbfabe292631ad6fc@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: SFNE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Valw1NDc5lBpUjZ3xKj2sh2mpNKcBj2UZs2e2aJXPRdgyvDzefn9ewvMsA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs =20 wrote: > First up was Pandemonium (f/k/a Mr. Six's Pandemonium), a Gertslauer=20 > spinning coaster. The operations were solid and the line moved=20 fairly=20 > fast for a low-capacity ride. It's a fun little ride, though we were=20 > too well-balanced so there was relatively little spinning. Some of=20 the=20 > Mr. Six theming is still up, including him spinning up top and the=20 name=20 > of the ride shown on the sign at the start of the queue. that thing makes me crazy sick with dizziness.=20 kinda OT-i might have missed this discussion, so i apologize in=20 advance. so is Mr. Six not being used anymore? i havent really seen=20 any ads using him(of course being in florida they dont really have any=20 reason to advertise down here). i thought that when he was first=20 introduced he got a lot of favorable reviews. is that no longer the=20 case? i personally found him creepy, but funny nonetheless. and at the=20 very least it gave SF a mascot. so is he no longer the SF mascot?=20 From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed May 31 12:08:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97064 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 19:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 19:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.171) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 19:08:06 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email01.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id AHE21884; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c684e4$ff2591e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:04:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email01.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090209.447DE605.0021,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: a few more thoughts on Holiday World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=4M6iIYmVsrufYPXWP7jAKDSfSNCwkuigeJEPs0BS1APdRJYF X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Just a few more thoughts on my HW trip report from yesterday... After our party rode Gobbler Getaway together, we decided to split up for a couple of hours before meeting up for lunch at 1 pm. I took my 2nd ride (this time solo) on the Voyage, this time in 2:1. Personally, I didn't notice a huge difference between the back and front, with the possible exception of a little better realization of what a 90 degree banked turn really looks like. I headed back towards the 4th of July/ Halloween Intersection. For those of you who may have visited Holiday World in the past, but won't be able to get back anytime soon... the walkway leading to the Thanksgiving section takes you back behind their Rapids Ride. As you walk that path in reverse... you can see the rear of the flooded ghost town that you encounter while on the Rapids ride. Of course, the "buildings" in that ghost town are really just facades (a commonly used practice in the film/ TV industry) and they're not much to look at, especially when seen from the rear. I thought it would be a good idea, and fairly easy, to do a little reprofiling of that Ghost Town, or at least paint the back sides of those facades with some sort of autumn decor so that area of the park would look a bit nicer. I headed over for a ride on the Legend. It was about a 40 minute wait, as they were running only one train. They had some sort of minor technical difficulty when I was about half way through the queue; but I waited it out while three maintenance guys worked on the brakes leading back into the station house. When they had everything corrected and ready to go, I was somewhat surprised to hear several people who had been waiting start to cheer and applaud for the maintenance guys as they were leaving. Having just rode the Voyage, two thoughts crossed my mind... #1) There is certainly a *huge* difference between a banked turn and an unbanked turn (the prior being much less painful) and #2) While there was outstanding airtime on *every* hill on the Voyage, the only time I really experienced significant air on the Legend was on the one hill just prior to the "Zoombabwe headchopper." Still, I enjoyed the ride and I also thought to myself, if there were some young person out there who was a RCE (Rookie Coaster Enthusiast) and they wanted to know what is the difference between an out-and-back coaster and a Terrain Twister, they could ride the Voyage and then the Legend and have a pretty good first-hand reference. (Following lunch, I rode the Legend once more, this time with Kelly since here Jesse didn't want to ride after he was beaten up on it last year.) After lunch in Holidog's funtown, we decided to spend a few hours in the water park. We rode Watubee (always a fun water slide to ride with family or friends), and took about 4 turns on Otto-Ron-Go. (I've almost never experienced any wait time for that 3-in-1 slide.) We then took it easy floating on their new lazy river, Bahari. Here again, I really was *not* impressed. There was NO shade anywhere on that river, and very few spray elements, fountains, etc. On their older Congo River, you at least have a few opportunites to pass under sprays, over bubbles, etc. but on Bahari.... nothing. I have to wonder if they are intending to add some more ways to cool off while on Bahari, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. The Bahari Lazy River is a bit longer, but after one time through the course, I headed back to the Congo River and floated around it twice, enjoying myself much more. We then spent about 30 minutes just playing around in the Monsoon Lagoon. (This was something I had never done, since I'd never before attended the water park with youngsters in tow.) It was a lot of fun, and Jane Ann and I remarked about how you could easily spend hours in there discovering the nuances of every little valve/ fountain/ bucket/ hose/ etc. We headed back into the dry park at about 5:30, and Kelly, Jesse, and I grabbed one more ride on the Voyage. Sadly, since we had agreed to meet up at about 6:30 for our trip home, I did not get in even one ride on the Raven. (I thought about it as we were heading back to the front of the park, and I probably would have had time, but for some reason I just didn't.) Oh well... it gives me a good reason to go back at least once more later in the summer!!! :-) I bought their 60th Anniversary book... (which is more like a pictorial than it is a book) and a little steep at $20. It was interesting to read about the early days of Santa Claus Land, but most of the book from about 1984 to the present was stuff I already knew. One interesting tidbit I'll share here... when HW built the Raven in 1995, several guests noticed stalks of corn growing under the structure of this coaster.... Why corn?...... Some sort of "There's more than corn in Indiana" theming attempt? (Nope... wrong Indiana amusement park!) On the initial test runs of the Raven coaster, the train was filled with sacks of corn. Several of those sacks burst open during the test run and stalks of corn were found growing beneath the coaster later that summer! That's it. I always have a great time at Holiday World. Sometimes I worry a bit about them becoming "too big" and "too famous" and "too busy" and losing some of that family park atmosphere that we've come to expect. But, I have a feeling that as long as the Koch family is part of the ownership, I have nothing to fear. Thanks for reading! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Wed May 31 12:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51113 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 19:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 19:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.156) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 19:47:22 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4VJkRgj007161 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 19:46:27 GMT To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c684ea$df8c5ed0$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <000801c684e4$ff2591e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaE5aXCGtSBQgcfSxGvSEN0uGDMMgABKqxQ X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Cedar Fair buys Paramount Parks - season passes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=-3DX6Dz0ksTczTgSmk2KFMcSOERRl8yHhOMKEdOyr55O X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People what do you think about passes for Paramount Parks and Cedar Fair Parks for 2007? We are in Kansas City and have always bought passes for World of Fun and Oceans of Fun. We can attend nay park owned by Cedar Fair (quite a few of them). Now that it will be one company, do you think that in 2007 the same pass will cover Paramount Parks as well or we'll need to buy a separate pass for Paramount Parks? We visited Kings Dominion in VA and Carawinds last year on the Paramount pass - they are pretty good. Any previous experiences with parks mergers and asquisitions? Sincerely, IGGY Dybal - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:09:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12374 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 20:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 20:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.189) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 20:00:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 23772 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2006 20:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060531200046.23770.qmail@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [15.227.249.72] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:00:46 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: MISC: Six Flags Great Adventure on July the 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=58VA66e6FnyHgM_ri464r99PCSWknHMzHkzNzT2EIldvJhFC2n5kgG_U X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Hello everyone, I will be probably in NYC by the end of July and though it would be great to meet any of you for a visit to SFGAdv. As I am going to gave just one free day in NYC (07/30/06), I guess using it to ride KingdaKa, El Toro, Nitro, Medusa and Superman would be awsome! Does anyone want to come along? Best regards / Cheers from Rio, Gus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:13:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93804 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 20:13:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 20:12:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 20:12:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2006 20:12:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:12:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c684ea$df8c5ed0$6501a8c0@IGGY> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Cedar Fair buys Paramount Parks - season passes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=H81cvqzvtYKdZ38Il6dpcEIgbHbDJmNAMhzF4i8ItSobTstDBGUe X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "IGGY & Svetlana"=20 wrote: > Now that it will be one company, do you think that in 2007 the same > pass will cover Paramount Parks as well or we'll need to buy a=20 > separate pass for Paramount Parks?=20 ... > Any previous experiences with parks mergers and asquisitions? From what I remember, didn't Cedar Fair buy Geauga Lake sometime in=20 the middle of 2003, and then have a period in which neither a Six=20 Flags nor a Cedar Fair pass would work, but then the next year the=20 Cedar Fair passes worked? Correct me if I'm wrong. Following that example, I would assume that CF would fully integrate=20 the Paramount parks into the CF fold. It'd be nice to have a pass=20 here that could get me into Knott's, Great America in Santa Clara,=20 and maybe even Bonfante Gardens. I've never been to the latter, and=20 haven't been to Great America since I was about 4 years old in=20 1977... literally the only thing I remember is the double-decker=20 carousel. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed May 31 13:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46767 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 20:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 20:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 20:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 10053 invoked by uid 0); 31 May 2006 20:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 20:16:55 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FlX7e-0001TS-IG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:16:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060531200046.23770.qmail@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060531200046.23770.qmail@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <58E1E841-97BF-4E0F-B6E5-917F47E1B1E5@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:21:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Six Flags Great Adventure on July the 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=p4hDA6Rr1wfWiaWAMyJuFJ23-YmAv0A6nsyuoGcnns2PGCvbWVi4 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Hello everyone, > > I will be probably in NYC by the end of July and > though it would be great to meet any of you for a > visit to SFGAdv. > > As I am going to gave just one free day in NYC > (07/30/06), I guess using it to ride KingdaKa, El > Toro, Nitro, Medusa and Superman would be awsome! > > Does anyone want to come along? > I can probably make it, and I think there's a couple other people in the area. The best deal... assuming you don't have SF passes... I've found so far is at Costco, for 35$. If I can make it, I can pick you up one. SF's website is the next cheapest, with tickets for 40$. You just print them out online I think. Mike From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Wed May 31 14:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81976 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.181) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 21:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 57957 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2006 21:01:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060531210142.57955.qmail@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [15.227.249.72] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:01:42 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <58E1E841-97BF-4E0F-B6E5-917F47E1B1E5@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Six Flags Great Adventure on July the 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=P5fcTCrF9lVT06f4RLVu2w48QG6a6DnucwwRwvZYSe_SJryvj8Ru6k6- X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Great, Mike! It will be quit cool to meet you guys. And thank you very much for offering to pick the tickets for me. However, I am considering to get them at NYC Port Authority Bus Station. I cheked the website and they have a bundle offer: TP ticket + bus round-trip = U$50,00. Looking forward to meeting you all personally and ride those babies (it will be my debut on a flying coaster). Best, Gus. --- Mike wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I will be probably in NYC by the end of July > and > > though it would be great to meet any of you for a > > visit to SFGAdv. > > > > As I am going to gave just one free day in NYC > > (07/30/06), I guess using it to ride KingdaKa, El > > Toro, Nitro, Medusa and Superman would be awsome! > > > > Does anyone want to come along? > > > > I can probably make it, and I think there's a couple > other people in > the area. > > The best deal... assuming you don't have SF > passes... I've found so > far is at Costco, for 35$. If I can make it, I can > pick you up one. > SF's website is the next cheapest, with tickets for > 40$. You just > print them out online I think. > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Wed May 31 14:21:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67210 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net) (66.174.76.156) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4VLJvZX022170 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:19:58 GMT To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c684f7$f733e640$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <20060531210142.57955.qmail@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaE9YM4vvan34LtS/6aLhsuvh9hlgAAKwuw X-Originating-IP: 66.174.76.156 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Six Flags Great Adventure on July the 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=lJs9TXrS1lZU-9f7dGauzMz2gTg5P0qIhOPPH744l7AH X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo Queiroz > > As I am going to gave just one free day in NYC > > (07/30/06), I guess using it to ride KingdaKa, El > > Toro, Nitro, Medusa and Superman would be awsome! Last summer my son and I did a park hopping tour on the East Coast - 8 parks in 10 days :o) - it was great. 6Flags in Jersey was awesome! KingdaKa was either not operational yet then or broken, we missed it so much. But other rides out there are outstanding! Nitro is wonderful - one of our favorite rides, it took it like 3 times in a row - lines were non existent on it then. I say plan to be there before the park opens, and run :o) to the best rides out there. Print out the map of the park online and see the location of the rides. Sincerely, IGGY Dybal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Wed May 31 14:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76686 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 21:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 21:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net) (66.174.76.155) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 21:36:15 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4VLa8Lt024677 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:36:09 GMT To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c684fa$3a3c7950$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <20060531210142.57955.qmail@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaE9YM4vvan34LtS/6aLhsuvh9hlgAAnwvA X-Originating-IP: 66.174.76.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Park Hopping tips - anyone has their own secrets? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=CbNYu7nHSe2ZecqBoWREYhtHH1JB6vqDaLCaGhYTC7Bx X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My son and I developed a system of clock wise movement - start going to the left instead of right - for some reason it seems everyone tends to go to the right of the park, and run to the rides!!!!! - we hit major rides often times 2-3 times before people started piling up. In 3 hours we are normally done with any of the 6 Flags or Paramount Parks anywhere in the country, smaller parks like Worlds of Fun in Kansas City or Dorney Park, PA we can hit in 1.5-2 hours :o) We then have a nice lunch outside parks in air conditioned restaurants or recently at my wife's initiative to save money would have a picnic outside with very cold food in the cooler :o), then came back to the parks to finish the day off with the best rides. In the late afternoon/evening we can go and hit a couple of other attractions in town. Sometimes we can actually hit 2 parks a day (not adjacent amusement and water park) depending on the weather and if we feel like going to the water parks or not - Oklahoma>Dallas, St. Louis, MO> Louisville, KY>Cincinatti/Columbus,Ohio, or Hershey>Dorney Park>6Flags Jersey, BuschGardens, VA>Kings Dominion, VA but this requires precision timing, very fine tuned execution and eating in the car :o) - this will get you very tired :o) We've done several "hops" in one day, but boy it will exhaust you to the point you want to chill in the water park at the end of the day :o) I also had a foldable umbrella in my back pack (will be getting a second one) 4-5 bottles of water we filled up non stop while at bathroom breaks, sun screen and chopstick and some snacks in the backpack. We were cool as cucumbers while others were sweating bullets :o) I've seen people burn in the sun - we never had a red spot on us. Last summer my son and I hit 8 parks in 10 days on the East Coast - PA, NJ, MD, VA and even Charlotte :o) - all the walking resulted in several blisters on both of my feet :o) - it took more than 10 days to get rid of them :o( I have a check list of things for us on my Treo 650 phone for travel - there are about 70 items on it. I run a business, so I have to get things in order - maps, trash bags for water rides, drivers license, credit cards, AAA cards, pain killers, towels, water shoes, chargers for cell phone and printer, laptop, rechargeable batteries, X-box games for kids, laptop computers, portable printer, packages, envelopes - we work in the morning for 20-30 minutes before we take off and then late in the evening, I have e-mail on my Treo, database of clients, voicemail, so things are great! So, if someone has any suggestions to add to the list, please, share! - I'll post mine one of these days. Sincerely, IGGY Dybal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Wed May 31 16:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95940 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net) (66.174.76.155) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4VMu0Lt028852 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:56:03 GMT To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:55:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c68505$63b36630$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaE//9lltaxLdahQH6E/7Vv1bpn6AABVKBQ X-Originating-IP: 66.174.76.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: My "park hopping" check list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=M6F0YLtEGzhDYjeEi8YbCwSHDREftl6HcAQ8-szMcOP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc HOUSE Tivo Transfer Shows to laptop AC-Heating set Check doors Mow Lawn - RoboMower Feed fish - weekly feeder Dog kennel - local or out-of-town - 6 flags Security system set CAR Check, change Oil Check transmission fluid Check break fluid Fill washing liquid Get extra washing Rotate, balance tires Toilet Paper Gas Can - Largest - fill, wrap up Get Extra Oil Get Large cooler Get small cooler for inside PAPERS Internet maps AAA maps Check AAA tickets and park specials Park maps plan out Driver's license AAA card Credit cards Get cash from bank MEDICINE Chap sticks Pain killers Sun lotion Eye drops Tooth Guard Toilet paper Band-Aids BACKPACK Umbrella 4-6 Water bottles Trash bags large and small for car Band aids Waist pack Extra car key Towels Water shoes for all Plastic neck holder COMPUTERS AC-DC car converter Laptop bag Portable printer, connect cable, charger Head phone for Treo Chargers - all cell phones, Treo wall and car Transfer business calls to other # Get data plan on cell phone Both laptops, chargers Wi-Fi cards for laptops Wireless data card for laptop Wireless router Ethernet cables Radio connector for laptop Rechargeable batteries and charger Additional batteries X-Box, games Portable games CDs for kids Tivo Transfer Shows Kids' headsets for laptops BUSINESS Find fill-in agent Files check and take Print additional packages Assemble packages, stamps, envelopes, address labels, home labels From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 31 17:34:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33412 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 00:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 00:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.62) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 00:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 11071 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2006 00:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060601003314.11069.qmail@web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.15.86] by web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:33:14 PDT Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org, Dave Anderson MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Coaster Tony X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qHlMg141Mb1JuCzEJsNvfhfGPVoepz_0FVKyLmviKzS-J3oE28Bh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of you may know this guy. He sold me my VW. I've known him for years, and I've rarely met anyone more fanatical about coasters. The local news insert, Hampshire Life, ran an extensive story on him. You have to subscribe (for free) to read the story, but it's worth it. He's a character. And he just completed his 5000th ride on Boulder Dash. > http://www.gazettenet.com/index.cfm < Scroll down to "Hampshire Life." You'll see the Coaster Tony link. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed May 31 19:57:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68657 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 02:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 02:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 02:51:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 02:50:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:50:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=MiN_UkzICdmNcPGKWaJkyKc1FqcPGOxADs9lACLyTdFDtD1ilw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > > > Gwazi was its usual temperamental self, this time > > > giving a pretty rough ride with little airtime. >=20 > > Which side did you ride? Tiger has been noticeably less "rough" and > > with more air than Lion lately. >=20 > I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers Lion to Tiger, > so that's where we rode. From my experience, Lion has had a few more > pops of air than Tiger, so I've always found it more interesting.> Now now, you know I looove Lion compared to Tiger. How could you forget Nate, we just finally relived the moments we shared ba= ck in January of=20 2002 the other night (See: Florida 2002 DVD). I don't remember much from those rides, but I remember at the time arguing = w/ Brian and=20 Josh about how i preferred Lion to Tiger. But then again, I always seem to = be arguing w/ Brian=20 about wooden coasters! ;) jeRemy D. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed May 31 20:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29442 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 03:03:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 03:03:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 03:03:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2006 03:03:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:03:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: TR: SFNE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=ReDr1guXyBpx8JHhjFBZ7tsqswOVd5Z_m7rorRAwo-YLahdVRg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" w= rote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs =20 > wrote: > > First up was Pandemonium (f/k/a Mr. Six's Pandemonium), a Gertslauer=20 > > spinning coaster. The operations were solid and the line moved=20 > fairly=20 > > fast for a low-capacity ride. It's a fun little ride, though we were=20 > > too well-balanced so there was relatively little spinning. Some of=20 > the=20 > > Mr. Six theming is still up, including him spinning up top and the=20 > name=20 > > of the ride shown on the sign at the start of the queue. >=20 > that thing makes me crazy sick with dizziness.=20 >=20 > kinda OT-i might have missed this discussion, so i apologize in=20 > advance. so is Mr. Six not being used anymore? i havent really seen=20 > any ads using him(of course being in florida they dont really have any=20 > reason to advertise down here). i thought that when he was first=20 > introduced he got a lot of favorable reviews. is that no longer the=20 > case? i personally found him creepy, but funny nonetheless. and at the=20 > very least it gave SF a mascot. so is he no longer the SF mascot? I personally loved the sketch/scene they did with him on Robot Chicken? If = this has already=20 been discussed, sorry ... but that was one of the funniest sketches i've se= en on that show.=20 And i think most of the stuff they do is hilarious! jeremy d. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 31 21:21:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35823 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 04:21:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEF59A88 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:20:52 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <000801c684e4$ff2591e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> References: <000801c684e4$ff2591e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <96615E38-9CC5-4391-81EF-6CCB97F6C479@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:20:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] a few more thoughts on Holiday World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JvP1FxsKPijRHK-inlhzaLAoVI-Ok2f-xQU5scY7gKORUy8j X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > I thought it would be a good idea, and fairly easy, to do a little > reprofiling of that Ghost Town, or at least paint the back sides of > those facades with some sort of autumn decor so that area of the > park would look a bit nicer. I've been told that this is on the cards for next season .. there was only so much they could do/spend this past winter. Great report, though! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** this chicken? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 01 15:11:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44658 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 22:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2006 22:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.198) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 22:10:19 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so377993nzp for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.216.16 with SMTP id t16mr952109qbq; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.17 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:08:13 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=4IMjuxtinUeaPOymFWlvj22GB7N9JB0iWP37_gvjHSNdaBe3MtJoBXg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Wooden Coaster Weekend (or The Best Trip Nobody Ever Planned) Warning! This is crazy long. :-) When Holiday World announced The Voyage last July, I think everyone knew it was time for another enthusiast event. So the minute that the park announced they would be holding "Holiwood Nights," my Memorial Day Weekend was booked for my fourth enthusiast event at Holiday World. Actual planning for the event, however, didn't come nearly as quickly. As usual for me, my specific plans were not set in place until the day before we left. I know this drove Brian crazy, but it all worked out in the end...I think. Since Chris has moved back to New York and I don't know any enthusiasts in the area, the plan was to drive to Holiday World by myself Friday morning for the event, hit up Beech Bend for Rumblefest on Sunday, then drive back to Madison on Monday. The idea of driving 16 hours alone made me cringe, though, so I asked my best friend, Nick, if he wanted to come. Although he is in no way an enthusiast, one look at the Voyage video made up his mind. I was a bit worried about attending an enthusiast event with a total non-tool, but it was definitely better than driving by myself. We left Madison at 9:30am on Friday for the long drive to Holiday World. If you're approaching the park from the north, there's absolutely no easy route to get there. Rather than taking the back roads through Indiana as I'd done in the past, we decided to take the Interstate down through Illinois before cutting over to the park. I think this is probably the best way to get there, since it doesn't require you to go through Chicago, and the speed limit is 70mph for much of the way. We got caught in traffic in Terre Haute because they apparently haven't discovered the concept of timing your stop lights, but still made it to Holiday World by 5:30pm. We met Brian and J at the gate a few minutes later, got our materials for Holiwood Nights, and headed into the park. We headed to the gift shop right away to pick up some tool - I mean, eyeglass straps for Brian and laughed at some questionable Holiday World merchandise. We didn't have time to ride anything before ERT, so we headed to the picnic area to wait with the rest of the tools. I thought they did a decent introduction to the event. They went over safety rules, which were handled professionally and fairly. The lack of hand slapping was disappointing, but understandable. I am not at all a religious person, but I still found Pat Koch's prayer rather touching given the circumstances under which I last heard her pray. It seemed like we waited forever for them to clear the park, but that was probably from anticipation more than anything. When they finally cleared us to enter, we debated heading to The Raven first, but decided we just couldn't wait any more to ride The Voyage. Walking into the Thanksgiving section is nothing short of incredible. They have done such a fantastic job with this area; with the first two hills of the Voyage looming in the background and a crazy mess of track wrapping around (and through) the station, this is one of the most visually impressive wooden coasters I've seen. Due to a problem with the third train, only two were running, but the wait was still very manageable. The Voyage queue is almost entirely indoors, and compared with those for the Legend and Raven, it's huge. It's also impossibly convoluted, with lots of winding all over the place instead of just switchbacks. I think this makes waiting in line a lot more interesting than going back and forth. There's also some nice, minimalist theming that's a nice touch. We only waited about ten minutes before entering the station, and since I usually prefer the back seat on airtime-filled rides, we veered toward the last car first. The Voyage is so long and so twisted that it would take pages and pages to run through a complete play-by-play. I will say, though, that I was quite impressed after my first ride. I didn't think it was the relentless, overly-intense ride that many had described it to be, and it wasn't nearly as insane as The Raven on a good day, but it was still a great ride. I believe we grabbed a second ride near the front of the train next, which left me with similar impressions - good ride, but the end-all ride many had claimed was. By the end of this ride, the Thanksgiving area was filling up, so we decided to hit up the Legend before dinner. Perhaps it's just my imagination, but I thought I remembered an insane pop of air in the front of the train in previous years. One front seat ride, however, had me doubting this as I had the absolute worst ride on the Legend ever. It was rough, it was sluggish, and it did nothing enjoyable. Honestly, it felt like a Vekoma SLC the way it would speed up and then almost come to a dead stop again. My friend also hated it, and thought it was one of the worst wooden coasters he'd ever experienced. Wondering what the hell happened to the Legend, we walked over to Kringles for dinner. The pizza just plain sucked this year. Maybe it's because they were trying to crank people through, but it was underdone, soggy, messy, and had too much crust. One of the pieces I had tasted like it hadn't even ever been in the oven. But I was starving, and food was food, so I ate it anyway. Thankfully, there were also potato chips and veggies and (of course) they gave us free fudge. We spent far too much time eating and conversing, and by the time we left Kringles, it was already dark. We walked over to the Raven and waited about ten minutes for a second-to-back row ride. Overall, I thought it was running well. The turn over Lake Rudolph was retracked recently, and was perfectly smooth. The airtime on the first drop and second hill was great. And the final few curves were as furious as ever. However, the middle of the ride just wasn't performing like it used to. The airtime on the infamous fifth drop was present, but not mind-blowing like it once was. Similarly, there used to be a little zig-zag that slammed you back and forth at the bottom of the fifth drop. Now it's barely noticeable. I don't know if these are intentional changes or not, but they were among my favorite moments of the ride. This is still a fantastic coaster, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I missed these elements. Our ERT was quickly running out, so we decided to walk back to the Voyage. We passed The Legend on the way, and since the line was short, I couldn't pass up giving it another shot. We decided to give the back car a try, and basically walked on with a one-train wait. I was nervous this was going to beat the hell out of me like the previous ride did, but I had a huge smile on my face when we pulled into the brake run. THIS is the Legend I remembered. That crazy pop of air was notably missing, but otherwise the ride performed well. Throughout the event I heard many people say the Legend was running the best it ever had. I'm not sure I completely agree with that, however. It wasn't nearly as brutal (and thus not nearly as insane) as I remember it, and the airtime wasn't quite as crazy. But I think I enjoyed the Legend this time more than ever before. The out and back portion of the ride is great, and the run back to the station is crazy fun. I still think the helix is a low point, though. It doesn't really do anything fun, and it's really just kind of boring. I think the idea was good, but a fast-paced, highly-banked helix would have been far more fun. We made it back to the Voyage with time for one more ride. At this point the line was filling up more than half of the queue, so we ended up waiting about a half hour for a seat somewhere near the front. This was the ride that did it for me. I'm not exaggerating when I say this was nearly a religious experience. There was suddenly air on the first three hills, the turnaround was crazy, and then all hell broke loose. I don't know if it was because it was dark out, or the ride had just been warming up all day, or whether it was because it was full of fat ACErs, but this thing was flying. The whole run back to the station I couldn't stop thinking, "This is going WAY too fast!"...and then it kept getting faster! We were literally flying around the curves at in split seconds, slamming back and forth, up and down, left and right so fast that I can't even wrap my brain around what was happening. This is the S:ROS of wooden coasters. It was like the second half of the Raven for two minutes, except even crazier. It was insane. It was out of control. It was absolutely fantastic. I felt totally exhausted when we pulled into the brakes, and all I could mutter was, "I think the Raven has been displaced." That was quite possibly the best roller coaster ride I have ever had. EVER. It totally sealed the deal for my new #1 coaster. As we headed out of the park, Brian realized he had lost his keys, but after discovering that my fudge had exploded in my pocket and was all over my cell phone, I decided to go back to the hotel and pick them up later if necessary. We met up with Jeremy and Erin at the hotel, as they had just rolled into town, and not long later Brian and J turned up with their keys. Apparently they found them somewhere on the Voyage, though I have no idea how. We sat around in the hotel and talked for quite awhile. I especially enjoyed the DVD Jeremy made from our Florida trip way back in 2002. It was nice to get nearly everyone together again, but after half a beer ( ;-) ) I was ready for bed. And even though the room was *freezing* and I was stuck on a crappy pull-out couch, I had no trouble falling asleep. I knew there was no way we were going to the waterpark ERT, so we didn't actually end up getting to Holiday World until 11:00 or so on Saturday. Brian, J, Jeremy, and Erin had arrived earlier, and since cell phone reception at Holiday World is spotty at best, we headed to the Voyage figuring they'd be there. We waited about 15 minutes for a front car ride, which was excellent but still nowhere near what it was doing the night before. We hadn't run into Brian, Jeremy, and Company yet, so we decided to try out Gobbler Getaway. The wait was only about 10 minutes, so apparently the crowds hadn't discovered it hiding back there yet. I thought the ride was fun, but nothing super special. It was better than the average Sally dark ride, as there were a lot of clever tricks and jokes. But as Brian pointed out later, only about half of the rooms actually have targets in them, which is disappointing. I appreciate Holiday World actually choosing to tell a story with their dark ride, but the non-target rooms simply aren't interesting enough to do that effectively. By this point I was starving, so I led us to the Alamo to get some tacos. I seem to remember these being far better than they actually were. I think my "burrito" (which was really just a taco with beans) had about a tablespoon of filling in it. The tacos were better, but nothing great. At least they were cheap. We trekked up to Liberty Launch, where we ended up waiting about ten minutes to ride behind some nasty, smelly people. I wish we would have taken advantage of the single riders' line. This is probably the weakest S&S tower I've ever been on, and was in no way worth the wait. I want a ride like Indiana Beach's used to be! We finally got a hold of Jeremy, and we met them back at the Alamo. Brian and J were heading to the waterpark, and since Legend and Raven had significant waits (and Raven was running one train), we decided to get changed and join them there. On the way out of the park I ran into Joe C and talked to him for a bit. Apparently we're some of the only ones who thought the front is better than the back on the Voyage. Oh well, I'm used to having different opinions than everyone else. We found Brian and J in the waterpark, got changed, and slapped on the free sunscreen (which, by the way, was a completely disorganized mess). We took a spin around the lazy river to cool off, but I can't sit still for long so Nick and I left Brian and J to do some slides. The only significant line we encountered was for ZOOMbabwe, which took about ten minutes or so. It was fun, but disappointing in that it wasn't dark enough inside. All of the other slides were enjoyable enough, but nothing superb. We tried out Bahari, but it seems like we waited forever for the waves to come and they only stayed on for a few minutes. It looks nice, though. Bahari River was disappointing to me. It's billed as an "adventure river," but there's nothing adventurous about it. There might have been two places to get wet in the whole river. The rock work and waterfalls look great, but none of them tumble into the river. And the inside of the river is just a large, treeless slab of concrete. Hopefully they plan to address this next season. This was the first time I actually went inside Splashin' Safari, and I was surprised by the lack of body slides. There were a few kiddie slides in the tipping bucket area, but that's really it. Perhaps this should be the next area of focus for the park. Something over near Bahari River would be nice. Anyway, by this point I was tired of the waterpark and the lines were getting long, so we headed into the park to try some water rides. We walked onto both Frightful Falls and Raging Rapids. There used to be a lot of mist/fog in the tunnel of Frightful Falls, but that was disappointingly missing this year. Raging Rapids was as good as ever, especially when the "fake waterfall" in the flooded town was predictably timed incorrectly. We took another ride on Voyage and one on the Legend, both of which had almost no line at this point. Everyone must have been in the waterpark. Figuring that Brian and J must have been ready to get out of the waterpark, we went searching for them but got sidetracked by the food stands in Splashin' Safari. I had a turkey BLT wrap, which was decent but unnecessarily enormous. We finally found Brian and J, who were going to head back to the hotel for a bit. I was hot again by this point, and talked Nick into a couple more slides before going back there ourselves. This turned out to be a bad idea. We hit Jungle Racers first, where I managed to injure my foot somehow. I don't know how it happened, but I scraped my foot in at least three places. I have terrible luck on these multi-lane slides; I still have a scar on my arm from an incident in Green Bay last summer. Zinga finally had a short wait, so we decided to end there. I ended up going down the slide backward, had insane pop of air the first time up the edge of the funnel, then was knocked completely off the tube the second time through. Those tubes hit the water in the bottom hard, and if you're not holding on, it's apparently easy to fly off. So I went sliding around in the funnel on my ass until landing in the pool below, where Nick ran me over with the tube. I was worried I was going to get yelled at despite the fact that this was NOT intentional, but the slide attendant seemed only concerned for my safety. Good for him. I changed back into my shorts and drove us back to the hotel. Nick insisted on taking a nap, so we left him there and the rest of us headed back to Holiday World. We grabbed a ride or two on the Raven before deciding to close out the Voyage. I got three rides in a row on the Voyage while they wound down the queues for the front and back seats. This was almost too much, and I had a slight headache after getting off. Still, we had four hours of ERT left and I wasn't about to quit yet. We met Nick in the picnic area for the buffet dinner. The hotdogs and Mac & cheese were good, but the burgers sucked. I didn't have any chicken because I filled up fast. Apparently some people enjoyed it (we'll get to that later). I honestly have no idea where we went next or in what order we rode things. I know we rode all three woodies several times throughout the night, and also grabbed a Gobbler Getaway ride where I blew away Nick, Brian, and J with my shooting skillz. Everyone but Jeremy and I quit early and went back to the hotel. We stuck around and got an amazing three rides in a row on The Voyage without ever leaving our seats. The crowds in general really cleared out after 10pm. It was almost surreal seeing Legend and Raven without a line on a night of ERT. You could have literally boarded the train and never had to go around the line again. That's definitely something I thought I'd never see. Yes, the Voyage really is that damn good. Overall, Holiday World once again put on a fantastic event. The Legend and Raven were both running well. While I don't think they were running the best they ever have, they are still better than 90% of the wooden coasters out there. And I assume much of Holiday World's focus recently has been in getting the Voyage into working condition, so I think that's acceptable. It will be interesting to see how the maintenance on these three rides proceeds from now on. The Voyage is more unbelievable than I ever imagined. The way it starts off big and never lets up for two entire minutes is something no other coaster besides S:ROS does. It's almost mind-blowing to think that the first three huge hills are actually the least intense of the entire ride. The design is nearly perfect. You don't even realize that you're going uphill for the entire first half of the ride until you start heading back and the train just keeps picking up an incredible amount of speed. Every time you think it can't possibly get any faster it does. The finale of the ride is quite possibly the most intense ending for any coaster in the world. I could barely keep my arms up from all of the positive G's at the bottom of the curves. Add some furious pops of air, insane pacing, and two tunnels and it's a wonder you can even remember anything else. I've never felt completely exhausted after riding a coaster until I experienced the Voyage. It's not without its faults, though. Many have complained that it's too intense, and that the re-rideability factor isn't there. I'm agree somewhat, although I did manage three re-rides on two different occasions. I don't think that's any reason to not rate a ride #1 though. My complaints are with two very specific moments of the ride. First, I hate the "reverse banked bunny hop." I didn't like it on Hades, and I think it's even more offensive here. I find it awkward and distracting, and it really destroys the flow of that portion of the ride. It might be the placement of it; since it's placed between two left-hand curves, you just end up leaning to the left for a long period of time. It just feels awkward on an otherwise perfectly-paced ride. The second problem I had was a rough spot as the train is coming into the final 90-degree banked turn. I've heard it's significantly better than what it was opening weekend, and I trust Holiday World will continue to work on that. It's difficult to pick a favorite part of the ride. I'm tempted to say "everything after the midcourse" is my favorite, as that's where the Voyage really shines IMO. Jeremy mentioned this earlier, but there's one spot halfway through the second half where there's a bit of trick-track down one of the hills. It's nothing crazy or major, but there's this cool side-to-side motion that I thought looked weird on the videos but I loved in person. It's little things like this that make the ride fantastic. I also loved the entire presentation of the ride. It really makes a bold and impressive statement when coming into the Thanksgiving area. Operations have really changed at this park. Things are slightly less efficient, but there have been some major changes to their safety policies that I really appreciate. They no longer allow hand-slapping, which is unfortunate, but I think necessary. They make sure your seatbelt is tight and your lapbar is touching your lap. They never stapled anyone as far as I could see, but they did make sure the bar was down. They have also stopped crossing the tracks unless the coaster is only running one train. Watching employees leaping in front of moving trains in the past always made me nervous, so I'm happy about this change. Enthusiasts seemed very respectful of the new rules, and I didn't see anyone complaining. Excellent job, Holiday World. That's really about it for Holiday World. I had intended to summarize the entire weekend in one report, but this is already insanely long. I'll post the other parts of the weekend later, including my thoughts on Beech Bend, the Kentucky Rumbler, and a huge unplanned surprise. Thanks for reading! -Nate From rjemail2003@yahoo.com Thu Jun 01 18:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjemail2003@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22441 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 01:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 01:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 01:18:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 02 10:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8029 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 17:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.198) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 17:13:41 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 34so561087nzf for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.178.4 with SMTP id a4mr1865040qbf; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:13:35 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Wooden Coaster Weekend, part II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=jo5qQ11g412FWrYDn6WteF5bHmoEpU0tDse_wlvRgRBrbcowubz_E38 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 ooden Coaster Weekend (or The Best Trip Nobody Ever Planned)...Part II We woke up Sunday morning with no idea what to do. Jeremy and Erin had decided to spend another day at Holiday World and Brian and J had decided to return to Cleveland instead of continuing on to Beech Bend. The original plan called for us to spend half the day at Beech Bend before driving to Indianapolis to spend the night at one of Nick's friend's. However, we hadn't heard from his friend by this point, and so things were really up in the air. Nick wanted to buy a cheap Six Flags season pass at Kentucky Kingdom, so I caved in, ditched Beech Bend, and we started driving toward Louisville. About ten miles down the road, however, I changed my mind. Knowing I probably won't visit any other Six Flags park this year, and not wanting to pay to spend a day at a park I know I hate, I set out to try to convince Nick that SFKK Was a bad idea. After explaining that I didn't want to pay for SFKK and *promising* that I could get him a cheap season pass from another park, he agreed to go to Beech Bend instead. Because we had already started toward Louisville, we were forced to drive on miles and miles of scary Kentucky back roads. These were among the windiest roads I have ever driven, and I'm not really sure why, since there was *nothing* out there. We passed maybe ten houses in the hour we spent driving through the woods. Twice we passed signs that warned us of "congested areas" ahead, only to find that meant there were two houses across the street from each other. Have these people ever been to a city? My guess is no. By the time we reached Bowling Green, it was around 2:00pm. Still, we somehow managed to confuse ourselves about what time it actually was because neither of us had a watch and we weren't certain whether our cell phones had automatically adjusted for the time change or not. This was a constant challenge throughout the trip, and I wish I could just figure out how to turn that feature off on my phone. Anyway, Beech Bend offers a half-price wristband after 4pm, so our goal was to not arrive at the park until then. We stopped at Hardees for lunch, which was fantastic as usual, then proceeded to drive aimlessly around Bowling Green for about 45 minutes. This just might be the most confusing city I've ever driven in! There are no signs pointing the way to anything, the layout makes no sense, and it seemed impossible to find a major road no matter which way we went. It's also the ugliest, most repulsive city I've ever driven around in. You couldn't pay me to live here. We finally found our way to Beech Bend but unfortunately realized it was only 3:00. I didn't want to just sit around for an hour, so we decided to pay for the event, thinking we'd at least get a free meal out of it. What I didn't realize was that the price for the event had now climbed to $30 (!!) and we would have been better off buying a daily wristband for $24. We had also considered just buying individual tickets, but apparently it costs $5 to ride the Rumbler, so we passed on that. I had borrowed Brian's tool membership card (I won't say which club ;-) ) in case we needed to use it. We ran into Danny (+Danny) in line for tickets, who also didn't have a club membership, but they ended up not asking for it. Oddly enough, they never asked at Holiday World either. We of course decided to try out the Rumbler first. We ran into Joe C in line, who was just about to head back to Orlando that night, and Beth, who was leaving for Carowinds soon. I couldn't believe the amount of driving these people were going to try to pull off after an already crazy weekend. Little did I know... We took two rides on the Rumbler right away - once in front, and once in back. This is a good ride, and one for Beech Bend to be proud of. There are a lot of little pops of air all over the place, one big pop on the first drop in the back seat, and a nice, long float over the second hill. There are a whole lot of twists and turns also. But this ride isn't anything intense or overly forceful, and so it didn't really blow me away. It's fun, and that's about it. I enjoyed the little pops of air here and there, but the turns did nothing for me after the insanity of the Voyage the night before. Perhaps I'd feel differently about the Rumbler if I had ridden it at a different time. It's very re-rideable, and I'm sure people had fun marathoning it during ERT. But I like rides that kick my ass, and the Rumbler just doesn't do that. Like all GCI's, though, it's a really beautiful coaster to look at. One question, though. The event t-shirts claimed the ride has headlights, and I remember a discussion about that as the coaster was being built, but I didn't see them anywhere on the train. Am I missing something? After a few rides on the Rumbler, we began walking around the park clockwise. First up was the Looping Star, a portable Pinfari coaster with one vertical loop. This thing apparently got new trains this year, but they don't help the ride any. It's not necessarily rough, but the drops are too abrupt and banged me around a lot. The "new trains" are anything but roomy, so my knees were smashing into the seat in front of me. One ride was enough. As a side note, I thought the park was changing this ride's name to "Brief Encounter" but I saw no indication of that. Looping Star might not be an original name, but at least it's not stupid and nonsensical. I talked Nick into the drop ride, which looked ridiculously tiny. I believe this is an ARM tower. Nick loved that it was sitting on a semi trailer. The lift up the tower is extremely slow, but you feel a lot higher when you're up there. The drop comes suddenly - without any pause at the top at all - and doesn't stop until a few feet above the platform below. This thing rocked! It amazes me how something like this can be more thrilling than Cedar Point's 300' tall towers. Forget that floaty nonsense, I like this intensity. We passed the park's dark ride, which had a rather lengthy line, and took a ride on the Wild Mouse. The wait for this wasn't short either, but we met some cool people in line, which made the time go by quickly. This is the fifth or sixth clone of this ride I've ridden, and was basically the worst. We came to a *dead* stop on one of the midcourse brakes, then slowly rolled through the rest of the course with little to no spinning. Apparently it only stops one car every once in awhile, so it figures that would happen to ours. Outside of Kennywood's, I'm not a huge fan of these rides anyway, so I didn't mind much. I did like the improvement to the restraints that Zamperla is now using, however. We tried out the dark ride next, which was pretty lame. I realize it's probably to prevent against vandalism, but the creatures inside might be scarier if they weren't behind chicken wire fences. Just a thought. Nick forced me into riding the Starship 2000, a Wisdom piece of junk that seemed surprisingly popular. I didn't get sick. We walked back over to the Rumbler and began discussing what we were going to do that night. We were basically finished with Beech Bend, and I had little desire to stay until midnight for ERT. It was then that the entire weekend got crazy. I think the conversation went something like this: Nick: "You know, we're only about 20 miles from Tennessee." Me: "Really?" Nick: "Do you want to go to Dollywood?" Me: "How long do you think that would take?" We walked back to the car to check the Atlas and realized that Dollywood was still about four hours away, and would mean a 12 hour drive back home Monday night. Still, it was *technically* feasible. I was totally surprised by Nick's suggestion of Dollywood; he is in no way an enthusiast, and on top of that, he'd been there several years before. I, on the other hand, had never been to Dollywood, and he knew I always wanted to go. Still, I couldn't help but think that maybe a little bit of the coaster tool bug had rubbed off on him over the weekend. :-) We decided to at least stay for ERT on the buffet before making our decision. Heading back into the park, we passed the Power Surge, which was apparently having some sort of mechanical problems. I never saw it operate with passengers all day, which was really too bad. The Power Surge isn't the greatest ride ever made, but it might be the only Zamperla product I can stand and it's pretty enjoyable. After a few more rides on the Rumbler and a couple more on the drop ride, it was time for dinner. The park catered in from some barbeque place that was advertising its name all over the place, as if any of us were actually from the area. Still, the food was excellent. For those ACErs wondering what food credits they missed out on, they had baked beans, corn on the cob, hot dogs, shredded pork sandwiches, barbequed chicken breasts, and delicious banana cream pudding. I wasn't starving so I only had a chicken breast and some pudding, but both were excellent. We dropped by the Rumbler on the way out, but Beech Bend had already closed off the line by the time we arrived. For a split second I thought about ducking under the rope, but that would have been a rather toolish thing to do. Not getting a final ride was too bad, though. Before dinner it was clear that the ride was really warming up, and I'm sure it performed well during ERT. Still, I doubt it would have done anything to break into my top ten. Nick and I arrived back at the car and started driving toward the freeway, still not having decided where to go. Approaching I-65 and seeing signs for "North" and "South" seemed almost poetic, telling both of us that we had to decide immediately. "You know," I said, "the responsible thing to do would be to drive to Indianapolis." Nick agreed. And that's when I steered the car toward Knoxville. The drive through Tennessee actually went really quickly. We called our mutual best friend from home when we were in Nashville and played the "Guess where we are!" game. It began to rain lightly about halfway through Tennessee, and things got rather foggy. It was really pretty, though, and made for a nice change from the hot-as-hell weather from the previous two days. It took about three and a half hours to get to Knoxville, which wasn't too bad. We stopped at a Motel 6 just on the other side of town, where we snagged a room for $42. Not too bad for being last minute. Then we called Nick's boyfriend to see if there was anywhere to go out in Knoxville. Surprisingly enough he found some places online, so with map in hand, we set off into downtown Knoxville. I won't dwell on my experiences at the "club" (if you could call it that). It was certainly an experience, and something I'm glad we did, but it made me really glad to be from the north. We had a few drinks and laughed at the locals before heading back to the hotel (with the third stop at McDonald's in as many days). I fell asleep still not believing we had actually just randomly driven to Dollywood. I'm glad I'm still young enough to be spontaneous. Next up: my first trip to Dollywood! -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 02 10:27:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52550 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 17:15:21 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so553332nzp for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.141.6 with SMTP id t6mr1860204qbn; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:15:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0606020830h30e3db70p2664e5834ffb9b3d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0606020830h30e3db70p2664e5834ffb9b3d@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: The Mystery Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Sn9_dKK6euIAjaXC6G9j3tdJa3z_x2z8-ESkhVycgQKRp_10J__A5Mw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > No one ever leaves...or so the legend goes. > > Adam Well, if we didn't all know what it was already.. ;-) Thanks for posting. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 02 11:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31142 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52Gder2007533 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007001c68663$278e2870$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <165816ef0606020830h30e3db70p2664e5834ffb9b3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:39:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: The Mystery Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=TG06dvK8J9HpKU0Q2KneEnyL33l7-Y2m_rRzZDuhk41_iiLQ9U9eeB3J1w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Finally. ;-) Can't wait to ride this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: The Mystery Begins > www.mysterymine.com > > No one ever leaves...or so the legend goes. > > Adam > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 02 11:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86681 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 18:54:31 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k52IrmKA015158 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:53:48 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:54:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7213C6F4-9518-45E6-A151-9D720086D655@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:53:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 18:54:10.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEB20EA0:01C68675] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FqA_8egaV-8gqWIcdWLzxhmbM_0pvaQ-bmXN01k81K6gVmj9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, Great report! > on Sunday, then drive back to Madison on Monday. The idea of driving > 16 hours alone made me cringe, though, so I asked my best friend, > Nick, if he wanted to come. Although he is in no way an enthusiast, > one look at the Voyage video made up his mind. Hah .. I brought a handful of "muggles" to this event too. One guy is used to Pinball events, so he wasn't the least bit phased by the coaster nerdness (in fact, one guy even recognized him from Pinball Expo!). > The lack of hand slapping was disappointing, but understandable. I was a little bummed about this too. > The Voyage queue is almost entirely indoors, and compared with those > for the Legend and Raven, it's huge. It's also impossibly convoluted, > with lots of winding all over the place instead of just switchbacks. > I think this makes waiting in line a lot more interesting than going > back and forth. It also makes it impossible to work out how much close (or far) you are from the actual ride. I don't know if this is good or bad, but I found it interesting. The fans down there were awesome, and I like the theming too. > The pizza just plain sucked this year. OK .. so it wasn't just me! I couldn't stand the "plastic cheese" smell in there, made me feel a little sick and I couldn't get through even one piece of pizza. [Raven] > I don't know if these are intentional changes or not, but they were > among my favorite moments of the ride. This is still a fantastic > coaster, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I missed these elements. Hmm .. I thought Raven was running really, really well, and didn't notice anything lacking. However it's been four years since I really rode it, so perhaps my memory of it just isn't accurate. > THIS is the Legend I remembered. That crazy pop of air was notably > missing, but otherwise the ride performed well. I found that Legend was running slow all weekend (even at night), but I actually prefer it that way as it's far less brutal. I enjoyed my rides on Legend far more this year than I have ever before. [Voyage] > This was the ride that did it for me. I'm not exaggerating when I > say this was nearly a religious experience. Those night rides were pretty intense. It's like the coaster becomes your whole universe .. and with nothing to see, it's just the sounds and sensations. It really does feel like the whole rest of the world just disappears, and it's just you and the coaster. > The whole run back to the station I couldn't stop thinking, "This > is going WAY too fast!"...and then it kept getting faster! On our first dark ride on Voyage on Friday night I was with my friend's kid .. and we were most of the way back to the station and I hear him say "It .. Just .. Keeps .. Getting .. Faster!!" through gritted teeth. He's right .. it's such a strange feeling, and really took me several rides to get used to it. Rides aren't supposed to continuously accelerate that close to the end, it goes against everything my body (and brain) is used to. > I knew there was no way we were going to the waterpark ERT Matt and I almost skipped the water-park, but I'm glad I went. Admittedly I spent much of the time just sitting around chatting, but I enjoyed the few rides I had. And the muffins were nice too. I'm not a water-park person by any means, so that little ERT was perfect for me. [Gobbler] > I thought the ride was fun, but nothing super special. It was > better than the average Sally dark ride I thought it was pretty cute, and suited Holiday World well .. but I still think I prefer "Den Of Lost Thieves" at Indy Beach. > Apparently we're some of the only ones who thought the front is > better than the back on the Voyage. Oh well, I'm used to having > different opinions than everyone else. I actually agree with you .. While I almost never waited for the very front (or very back), I typically rode within the first three cars. Although no seat is really bad and that ride.. > Bahari River was disappointing to me. It's billed as an "adventure > river," but there's nothing adventurous about it. [...] And the > inside of the river is just a large, treeless slab of concrete. > Hopefully they plan to address this next season. I imagine that this will all be improved more for next season .. there are drain plates set into the concrete, and they sit about half an inch higher than the actual concrete which makes me think this area has some more finishing work planned. [Zinga] > I was worried I was going to get yelled at despite the fact that > this was NOT intentional, but the slide attendant seemed only > concerned for my safety. Good for him. I was surprised by all the staff at the water-park .. after every ride they asked if we enjoyed it, etc. Very nice touch .. not only is it a great face for the park to present, but I bet it makes those life-guards far less bored, and thus a lot more attentive. > Overall, Holiday World once again put on a fantastic event. Agreed! [Voyage] > It's almost mind-blowing to think that the first three huge hills > are actually the least intense of the entire ride. The design is > nearly perfect. Most of my favorite rides are like this .. they just keep getting better and better as the ride goes on. This is exactly why I was let down by Millennium Force and Raging Bull, etc. > You don't even realize that you're going uphill for the entire > first half of the ride until you start heading back and the train > just keeps picking up an incredible amount of speed. Yes .. so sneaky! > First, I hate the "reverse banked bunny hop." Oh man, thank-you for saying that as I thought there was something wrong with me! I found this such a non-element .. admittedly I didn't hate it, but it does feel wrong and kind of pointless. But at least it's not painfull.. > The second problem I had was a rough spot as the train is coming > into the final 90-degree banked turn. I've heard it's > significantly better than what it was opening weekend, and I trust > Holiday World will continue to work on that. Towards the end of ERT, the turn before the last 90 degree turn seemed to be getting rougher and rougher. I don't know if you or anyone else noticed that too, or if it was just my body reaching the breaking point. The actual "hop" before the final 90 degree turn never bothered me. > Jeremy mentioned this earlier, but there's one spot halfway through > the second half where there's a bit of trick-track down one of the > hills. It's nothing crazy or major, but there's this cool side-to- > side motion that I thought looked weird on the videos but I loved > in person. Ding! That's my favorite part too! From my trip report a couple of weeks back: >> There is one point about half-way through the return run (just >> before the track passes through the structure for the first time), >> where there's a slight (but perfectly banked) right turn, then >> again left .. it's almost as-if B&M were to do trick-track .. and >> for some reason, I don't know how, it feels exactly like snow >> skiing. Like two perfect turns around two perfect moguls. So, so >> sweet! OK .. back to work I guess :( Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Jun 02 13:49:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 20:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 20:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 20:49:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 20:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 20:47:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 20:47:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:47:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.247.88 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=XzdbhHNB4FK4xWVgBJKVHHjb458YjYGtfupbUm15Xj2ZxomjawO16o4 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like this. "Meh"? >=20 > I'll tell you what I expected from SheiKra and never got - forces. > The stats of the ride sound intimidating, and it's certainly visually > impressive, but the ride itself is just plain dull.=20=20 In some ways, I'd agtee with you about the rest of the ride, but I just loved the feeling on the two drops, although I'd have liked to have got a bit wet on the water splash (first time, I didn't notice the water as I was expecting a soaking) I guess it's a similar thing to the top-hat launchers, where anything after the initial thrill seems to be a bit of a letdown... > is stupid, but I'm glad someone likes it. Mom thought the park was > gorgeous, and I'd have to agree. Dad loved the free beer, which I > also obviously agreed with. unfortunately I missed on the beer, as they wouldn't accept a photocopy of my passport. > waits. We missed out on Rhino Rally and the skyride because of > excessive wait times.=20=20 The advertised wait time on skyride was wildly out both times I went on it - one time it said 10 minutes, and it was 40... > be done with Rhino Rally. Disney certainly manages. We tried the > Pirates 4-D attraction, which was basically terrible. After seeing Yeah - not a patch on any of the disney ones! From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Jun 02 14:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68771 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 21:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 21:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 21:03:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 21:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 21:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2006 21:02:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:02:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.189.247.88 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=i00xaD2C1KnWI_K7Z7ILX6HOQQ6hh7aFhI3wfkl12-uS2KqQ_6KC74Q X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > wrote: >=20 > > They do have a baby swap program. Just let the attendants at the=20 > > begining of the line know that you want to do a swap. Then when one=20 > of=20 > > you comes off, the other one will be allowed to go in the exit, or=20 > sent=20 > > up to the station some other way (it varies a bit from ride to ride)=20 > > Just be sure to let them know before you get on. >=20 I didn't see the point of the baby/child swap areas at the disney parks - all the families came out with the same kid they went in with!! ;) From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 02 15:38:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12601 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 22:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2006 22:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 22:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 96552 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 22:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060602223702.96549.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.247.196] by web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:37:02 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:37:02 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: gazette@wnycc.org In-Reply-To: <1149277462.841.2471.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: SFNE celebrates A's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-99pkLiVnk2g38srDfVmKjE2XxEVLWic5BIyUFHvfY2B5rIzDwHM X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good students get rewarded: > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/living-1/1149234534290380.= xml?nnae < Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jun 03 08:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53519 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2006 15:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2006 15:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2006 15:34:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 15:34:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2006 15:34:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.3.20.167 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Village takes out Warner Bros X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FSImQUL5x1HS_jrfbLzcFe8Cn2oEmuM4jVCquKCaIJW9hME X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 30, 2006 Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19299865%255E664,= 00.html by James McCullough Village Roadshow is spending $254 million to buy-out partner Warner Bros' joint venture interest in the lucrative Gold Coast theme parks at the same time as announcing it is hunting for new acquisitions in Asia. VR, which has watched its share price steadily decline over the past year after ongoing criticism about the company's hefty directors' fees, yesterday announced the buyout move, hailing it as a major advancement. However analysts were not so sure, questioning why WB would suddenly agree to sell out of the theme parks while retaining an ongoing licensing agreement with the group. Under the terms of the deal, VR will move from 50%-100% of the assets, the acquisition being funded by a drawdown on the company's bank facilities and existing cash reserves. VR will continue to partner with WB in theme parks in Australia via a long-term licensing agreement. The company was also keen to investigate theme park opportunities in Asia with WB. After the deal, VR will own 100% of WB's Movie World, Sea World, Wet 'n' Wild Water World, Australian Outback Spectacular, Paradise Country, Sea World Aviation and Warner Roadshow Studios. VR will also move to a 50% ultimate ownership interest in the SW Nara Hotel. The transaction will involve VR buying the companies which hold those interests of the theme parks and WB's share of associated bank debt, estimated at $64.5 million. VR chairman Robert Kirby described the deal as being "ultimately about growth" but no other company executives were available for comment. "Over the medium to long term this transaction will strengthen our partnership with WB as we explore the exciting potential for WB branded parks in Asia," he said. WB chairman Barry Meyer said: "Through our ongoing licensing deal with VR, we will be able to continue to benefit from their experience and expertise in the theme park arena and maintain a presence in the business." It is a win-win situation for both of our companies." VR said it expected the transaction to be cash-flow positive after interest and reinvestment costs. Due to depreciation changes within the WB entities to be acquired however, the acquisition will initially be earnings per share negative on the group. It is anticipated that the transaction will close in early July. WB and VR will continue with their long-term pact in terms of film production. The pair are currently producing George Miller's Happy Feet in Sydney. VR has for a long time enjoyed the reputation of paying its directors at the top end of the Australian corporate scale, forking out $3.1 million a year for former high-flying director Peter Ziegler, who later took the group to court over non-payment of fees. VR shares yesterday remained in a trading halt after closing on Friday at $2.12. ----------- =A9 Herald and Weekly Times From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 03 19:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98641 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 02:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 02:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 02:13:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 02:13:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 02:13:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:13:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.232.188 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Trip Notes: Disneyland Resort, 6/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=VC593sk-l5bmxgpdJf1RVGigCBBgIzbzAZdzJljrfZuitTNEOG91 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I'm calling this just "Trip Notes," not a full "Trip Report," since I've been here a zillion times and just wanted to share a few points. 1. I hadn't realized how long it takes to park and get to the entrance until I actually had to be there at a particular time. Yesterday I was meeting up with a friend's mom who works as a nurse there, and thus was able to sign us in for the day. We were supposed to meet at 12:30; after running into traffic (at noon? Sheesh!) I was turning off of Ball Road to the Mickey & Friends parking structure at 12:32, but after parking, taking the tram, and passing through inspection, it was about 12:55 by the time we met up with our contact at the entrance; I felt bad about makin her wait so long. 2. Anyway, we started with the refurbished Space Mountain. The ride sure ran smoother than it has in years, and I liked the new effects at the beginning and end. I missed the tumbling asteroid that looked like a giant chocolate-chip cookie, though. A very fun ride, but I think I'm in the minority that actually prefers the Matterhorn for its many tight twists and sudden drops and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad for its big laterals. I also have to say that operations on this ride are amazingly quick. They really had us zipping into our seats and out to launch fast; I even watched them load a car with handicapped people on a separate transfer track that, when they were ready to move into position, took just a couple of seconds to merge into the regular track. 3. I know there's a lot of talk over on Miceage.com about whether FastPasses are good or not; I would say that if they do have them, the fastpass merge with the regular line needs to be closer to the front of the line. For Space Mountain, the Standby riders spent the majority of their time out in the only partially-shaded hot sun (it was about 90 degrees) before racing through the indoor portion of the queue. I would have really appreciated being able to spend more of that waiting time in the air-conditioned portion of the queue... what's the point of all the theming if we run past it? Problems with FastPass were even more evident with Indiana Jones. We spent about 50 minutes in the hot outdoor queue area, barely moving before entering the temple, 2/3 of which we just ran past. The theming on this queue is second only to Star Tours; what's the point of having it all there, ostensibly to make customers not notice how much time they're spending in line, if it doesn't get used. Later, around 9:30, we saw the flipside of this, as having a FastPass (more on that later) didn't give us any advantage, because the line was short enough to all be inside the temple instead of outside. Only a 15 minute wait, but what's the point of having a FastPass if it doesn't let you on right up near the entrance? The one place where the FastPass worked great for us was on Splash Mountain, a ride I like but find overrated and didn't want to spend 2 hours in line for. We picked up the Fastpass around 2:45 for an 8:05 to 9:05 window; when we finally used it we breezed past about an hour's worth of line and were boarding the ride within 5 or 10 minutes. 3. Also new: Buzz Lightyear Astroblasters. I was skeptical of this after the lameness of the Winnie the Pooh dark ride, but this won me over quick, with bright, colorful decorations, excellent theming throughout, very smooth ride operations, and a ton of visual stimulation. There was a million things to look at, and they were all fun. We rode twice, but my wife beat me both times. :-( I had never been on any interactive dark rides before to compare it against, though; I understand there's a Ghost Blasters at Castle Park in Riverside and at the SCBB. 4. Monster's Inc.: Mike and Sulley to the Rescue. If nothing else, this average but cute dark ride (some cool effects on the color-changing guy, though) livened up a dead area of Disney's California Adventure. The funny thing was that right at the end, waiting the round the corner to the exit, the ride stopped, the lights came on, and we were all walked out of the ride, due to "something being wrong with one of the cars." The thing was, in all my years of going to Disneyland I had never had to be walked out of a ride before, and this had just happened to us on Indiana Jones an hour previously! Being stuck for 5-10 minutes on Monster's Inc. was not that bad, but being stuck on Indiana Jones for 25 minutes with a bunch of impatient teenagers kind of blew. We were in the pitch-black (well, the area intended to be pitch-black; they turned on the lights) area shortly before the scene with the giant rolling ball. Once we finally got let out, it was pretty cool to walk though the ride with the lights on (the animatronic Indy hanging from the vine was still moving, which was kind of creepy), but at the end all we got for our troubles was a FastPass that didn't end up doing us much good (see above). 5. DCA was pretty empty compared to Disneyland, as always. TZToT was a walk-on, and the two coasters both had about 10-minute waits. I'd seen Disneyland much more crowded than it was yesterday, but waits tended to range from about 10-30 minutes on most rides to 45 for Space Mountain and an hour for Indy; as noted above, we elected not to wait 2 hours for Splash Mountain. Service at the Hungry Bear Restaurant was SSSLLLLOOOWWWWW... people (self included) were starting to get angry at the people preparing the food. 6. Other new stuff: They've updated animatronics on the Jungle Cruise, and they look GREAT, and the Enchanted Tiki Room is also running in top shape. The refurbished Cinderella Castle got so much new paint that, if anything, it's too gaudy. Some new stuff in the Haunted Mansion; that's good. I liked the "First 50 Years of Disney Magic" movie over at the Mr. Lincoln theatre, but I liked the display of old Disney maps and sketches even more. POTC is closed for adding the stuff from the movie; I'm skeptical, but I'll have to judge once it opens.=20 7. I'm famous for my weak stomach on spinning rides, but having taken a meclizine (generic Bonine) in the morning, I was brave enough to actually try a flat ride at DCA, the Orange Stinger (essentially like a Yo-Yo or Wave Swinger). I surprised myself by finding it lots of fun; it was like I was flying! I only felt slightly queasy when the ride slowed down at the end. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Jun 03 20:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23039 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 03:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 03:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 03:52:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 32338 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2006 03:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 03:52:03 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-130-51.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.130.51] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fmjel-0001UR-8h for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:52:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:55:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.130.51 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Notes: Disneyland Resort, 6/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=qGCBgF9xetY662PIIWvV5X5_w88JQNmkU0bdhsvfy-WKttEQ9o9e X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > 1. I hadn't realized how long it takes to park and get to the entrance > until I actually had to be there at a particular time. It used to be super fast with the season pass parking before they built DCA. Do they still have anything like that anymore? > 2. Anyway, we started with the refurbished Space Mountain. The ride > sure ran smoother than it has in years, and I liked the new effects at > the beginning and end. I missed the tumbling asteroid that looked like > a giant chocolate-chip cookie, though. A very fun ride, but I think > I'm in the minority that actually prefers the Matterhorn for its many > tight twists and sudden drops and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad for > its big laterals. I think why I like SM more than the Matterhorn is the way it rides... it starts out slow and builds up, and hits the top speed right towards the end. It sort of sounds like what people have been saying about the Voyage, which makes me want to get out to Holiday World more. I haven't really been paying attention... but did they wind up changing the soundtrack on the ride? I really liked the old one... was wondering if the new one is any better. > Problems with FastPass were even more evident with Indiana Jones. We > spent about 50 minutes in the hot outdoor queue area, barely moving > before entering the temple, 2/3 of which we just ran past. The theming > on this queue is second only to Star Tours; what's the point of having > it all there, ostensibly to make customers not notice how much time > they're spending in line, if it doesn't get used. Back before fastpass right after the ride opened, it seemed that it was the other way around. We normally would spend 15-20 minutes outside, and 30-40 minutes inside. I'm surprised that it moves so quick now.... back then, it seemed like it moved at pretty average pace, no faster than the outside. I'm not sure about it being less than Star Tours though... Star Tours's queue is good, but Indy's has way more stuff. It's weird though. Space Mountain's outdoor queue has always sucked... I wonder why they didn't just expand the building out and make a longer indoor queue when they redid the whole thing. I'd get the fastpass just to avoid standing outside. Mike From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Jun 03 23:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41835 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 06:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 06:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 06:21:05 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s13so610202wxc for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.39.3 with SMTP id m3mr4573735wxm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.45.17 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:20:04 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Notes: Disneyland Resort, 6/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=ZPlCQWzO_hWzNhEwNfELJoyiij_ejZ9fveNw2D8wuFVD2njw48IQW24 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to reply to the last two posts in one post. This will sort of make up for me not writing any kind of TR for my past dozen Disneyland trips. >2. Anyway, we started with the refurbished Space Mountain. The ride >sure ran smoother than it has in years, and I liked the new effects at >the beginning and end. I missed the tumbling asteroid that looked like >a giant chocolate-chip cookie, though. A very fun ride, but I think >I'm in the minority that actually prefers the Matterhorn for its many >tight twists and sudden drops and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad for >its big laterals. I'm getting close to agreeing with you. It might just because I've kind of overdone Space Mountain recently (about 20 rides since it opened), but I'm starting to find I enjoy the other coasters more than I used to, in comparison. I'm pretty sure Space Mountain is still my favorite, but Thunder Mountain has been a lot of fun, and my last ride on Matterhorn was definitely the best ride I had on any of the rides at either of the two parks the last time I was there. However, I did take two rides on Matterhorn that day, and the first actually wasn't that spectacular (rather bumpy), but it was that second that was really a ton of fun. And after having ridden Space Mountain so many times, I've gotten so used to the layout that in comparison, the Matterhorn can still be more surprising, especially with all the quick drops and turns. As far as the new Space Mountain compared to the old, I do prefer almost everything they've done in the update, except I do prefer the old soundtrack, and I actually miss the weird giant glowing geodesic thing. And I think both are for the same reason. I think I miss the more retro, campy feel that the ride had before, what with the surf guitar music, space cookies, and weird orange glowing thing. I think the other reason I miss the glowing thing is that without it it's kind of hard to judge wear I am on the ride, since now there's really no obvious landmarks to follow while you ride. I guess that's the whole point of making it dark, but being able to see more than just stars during the ride made it more exciting for me. Plus it added some variation to the ride, other than the layout. I think I'm the only person who's complained of that though. I'd be happy if they'd place a few asteroids or something in the ride. Speaking of asteroids, I wish they'd light up the big asteroid that you go past halfway up the lift, since that's one of the only theming objects we have during the ride right now. >The one place where the FastPass worked great for us was on Splash >Mountain, a ride I like but find overrated and didn't want to spend 2 >hours in line for. We picked up the Fastpass around 2:45 for an 8:05 >to 9:05 window; when we finally used it we breezed past about an >hour's worth of line and were boarding the ride within 5 or 10 minutes. Yeah, I honestly think it's a little overrated too. At least enough that I wouldn't wait two hours for it anymore. I usually just wait a few minutes in the single rider line. The ride has great theming and story and such, but I'm jaded enough that the thrilling parts don't do much for me, so I'm mostly only riding for the theming (though I do enjoy it's "coaster drop" quite a bit). It's still good enough that I'd probably wait a fairly reasonably time for it, such as about 30-45 minutes, but 2 hours is way too much for me, especially when I could ride Thunder Mountain about 8 times by then. >3. Also new: Buzz Lightyear Astroblasters. I was skeptical of this >after the lameness of the Winnie the Pooh dark ride, but this won me >over quick, with bright, colorful decorations, excellent theming >throughout, very smooth ride operations, and a ton of visual >stimulation. There was a million things to look at, and they were all >fun. We rode twice, but my wife beat me both times. :-( I had never >been on any interactive dark rides before to compare it against, >though; I understand there's a Ghost Blasters at Castle Park in >Riverside and at the SCBB. I rode the one at Castle Park some time before, and I definitely prefer Astroblasters. Mostly just because it's a much longer ride. Ghost Blasters is still a pretty good addition for Castle Park though. Anyways, I go on this multiple times whenever I go. It's a lot of fun, and is very rerideable. Before Space Mountain reopened with fastpasses, this was where I was using all my fastpasses. Oh, and I rode Winne the Pooh for the first time fairly recently. I liked it, but it did seem a bit short. Luckily the line has never been very long when I've been there, so it's nice to hit up after I use the single rider line at Splash Mountain. I like how the station has a very outdoorsy feel to it. >4. Monster's Inc.: Mike and Sulley to the Rescue. If nothing else, >this average but cute dark ride (some cool effects on the >color-changing guy, though) livened up a dead area of Disney's >California Adventure. The funny thing was that right at the end, >waiting the round the corner to the exit, the ride stopped, the lights >came on, and we were all walked out of the ride, due to "something >being wrong with one of the cars." The color changing effect didn't work when I rode it. :-(. Anyways, I enjoyed the ride, but I didn't feel it was worth the 45 minute wait when I could just go next door and have several other rides of similar quality at my disposal. Once the line goes down a bit (assuming it does, I keep checking when I go), it's something that I'll probably try to make a point to ride whenever I go to DCA. And rerideable attractions like that are exactly what DCA needs, so that's excellent. And they definitely needed something like that besides ToT for that part of the park. >6. Other new stuff: They've updated animatronics on the Jungle Cruise, >and they look GREAT, Yeah, I was very impressed Jungle Cruise the last time I went on it. >7. I'm famous for my weak stomach on spinning rides, but having taken >a meclizine (generic Bonine) in the morning, I was brave enough to >actually try a flat ride at DCA, the Orange Stinger (essentially like >a Yo-Yo or Wave Swinger). I surprised myself by finding it lots of >fun; it was like I was flying! I only felt slightly queasy when the >ride slowed down at the end. You're braver than I. I've still never gone on that ride. It's not because I get sick on spinning rides, it's just that swing rides like Wave Swingers and Yo-Yos scare the heck out of me. And now onto Mike's post: >It used to be super fast with the season pass parking before they >built DCA. Do they still have anything like that anymore? Not that I know of. I know there are a few other parking lots besides the main structure, but of the two I've been in (Downtown Disney and one right outside the structure) they both still take a fairly long time to reach the park. Before DCA was built, you just walked right up from the parking lot to the park, assuming you weren't parked too far away. It had the potential to be one of the shortest walks from parking lot to park you could find. >I haven't really been paying attention... but did they wind up >changing the soundtrack on the ride? I really liked the old one... >was wondering if the new one is any better. Yeah, it's different. I personally still prefer the original one, since I think it has more of the sort of campy sci-fi feel that I miss and I think the song itself has more individuality. Which is sort of ironic (the fact that I miss the campiness, that is), since I consider myself more of a "hard" sci-fi fan, that is, a preference for more realistic sci-fi literature. Maybe it's just the fact that getting to see the mini-Discovery in the station is enough hard sci-fi for me when I'm at Disneyland, and after that I'd prefer camp. Anyways, back on topic. The new soundtrack is still pretty good. It's very similar to "The Incredibles" soundtrack. I think the lifthill portion of the song is still about the same though. >Back before fastpass right after the ride opened, it seemed that it >was the other way around. We normally would spend 15-20 minutes >outside, and 30-40 minutes inside. I'm surprised that it moves so >quick now.... back then, it seemed like it moved at pretty average >pace, no faster than the outside. I'm not sure about it being less >than Star Tours though... Star Tours's queue is good, but Indy's has >way more stuff. I guess fastpass is entirely responsible for that, since the indoor line really couldn't be divided into two lines until further down at the big open excavation area where you can pull on the rope at the well. So I guess the next best solution would be to make the fastpass line in the exit and merge with the queue somewhere around that large queue room. However, then the fastpass people would miss much of the queue theming. I do remember when the queue wasn't so much divided into an indoor and outdoor part and it moved at the same speed throughout. It was nicer since you got to really experience the indoor queue. Of course, I actually haven't had to wait outside for more than a minute since around when it opened (and I remember the line being all the way down at Adventureland's entrance at that point), so it hasn't been much of a problem with me, except that you have to speed walk through most of the queue. Oh yeah, and I think I might agree that Indy's queue is better. Star Tours has more stuff concentrated into a relatively small space (two rooms), but Indy is more of a long, gradual, immersive experience. Plus, it has some interactive stuff (though the spike room no longer works). I'd still say they're about equal though, because even though the Star Tours queue is fairly short in comparison, what's there is top notch. >It's weird though. Space Mountain's outdoor queue has always >sucked... I wonder why they didn't just expand the building out and >make a longer indoor queue when they redid the whole thing. I'd get >the fastpass just to avoid standing outside. Yeah, Space Mountain's queue is easily one of the most unbearable until you get inside. Then it's rather nice. Unfortunately about 80% of the time is spent outside. And because of that I've actually brought a book to read the past few times I've gone. Anyways, I'll be going to Disneyland again on June 17th with some people from the RollerCoaster Tycoon site I go to. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 03 23:44:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44071 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 06:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 06:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 06:44:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 06:43:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 06:43:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:43:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.235.203 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Trip Notes: Disneyland Resort, 6/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=HlBzOE-FQxpSi1k-HGLCTrBwTl2dU8f1m-cehVSctAJb-CkfCmjb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > > > 1. I hadn't realized how long it takes to park and get to the entrance > > until I actually had to be there at a particular time. >=20 > It used to be super fast with the season pass parking before they=20=20 > built DCA. Do they still have anything like that anymore? I'm not sure; I've never been a passholder, always being content to mooch off of cast members once every year or two. There is the separate Lion King parking lot; that may be faster. And it's not like the operation is slow--- it's very efficient, but it's just so far away that even with the efficient operation it takes 20 minutes to get from turning into the driveway to arriving at the entrance. > I think why I like SM more than the Matterhorn is the way it=20 > rides... it starts out slow and builds up, and hits the top speed=20 > right towards the end.=20 Yeah, the build-up is good on SM. All three are very close in quality and hard to rank. > I haven't really been paying attention... but did they wind up=20=20 > changing the soundtrack on the ride? I really liked the old one...=20=20 > was wondering if the new one is any better. Not really sure... I spent so many years riding it without a soundtrack that it seems weird to have any soundtrack. > Back before fastpass right after the ride opened, it seemed that it=20=20 > was the other way around. We normally would spend 15-20 minutes=20=20 > outside, and 30-40 minutes inside. I'm surprised that it moves so=20=20 > quick now.... back then, it seemed like it moved at pretty average=20=20 > pace, no faster than the outside. Well, the outside moves slower than the inside because they hold up the line so that the FastPass people can go in. But they don't even use up the whole inside; once they let us into the temple, the line inside didn't even stretch halfway back. That's what was so dumb about it; they could have been using the inside for the queue instead of having us stand out in the heat, but they weren't. I guess they needed to keep the wait inside at a minimum so that the FastPass would be worth something. I think they could fix their problems if they had the FastPass/Standby merge point closer up to the boarding area. > It's weird though. Space Mountain's outdoor queue has always=20=20 > sucked... I wonder why they didn't just expand the building out and=20=20 > make a longer indoor queue when they redid the whole thing. I'd get=20=20 > the fastpass just to avoid standing outside. Good point. Way back when, there used to be an outdoor amphitheatre where HISTA is and Captain Eo was before that. I don't remember how the line for SM went back then. You'd think they could have figured out something better to do with that line. Also, just to step into grumpy old man mode here for a minute (I'm 32), I can understand girls screaming and squealing on the rides, but why on earth do teenage girls just seem to shriek like that all the time at amusement parks for no good reason? When they meet their friends, while they're standing in line, when they see something shiny, etc. It's really annoying. OK, that concludes Grumpy Old Man Moment for now. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Jun 04 00:04:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30157 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 07:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 07:04:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 07:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2006 07:04:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 07:04:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.232.178 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Trip Notes: Disneyland Resort, 6/2/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=9O9OqeOUzamnsdz-xAjaA0oHyPKvQSkLuSxBimHTXSIKzik-qzW3 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Snooks" wrote: > and I actually miss the weird giant glowing geodesic thing. And ... > I think the other reason I miss the glowing thing is that without it > it's kind of hard to judge wear I am on the ride, since now there's > really no obvious landmarks to follow while you ride. I guess=20 > that's the whole point of making it dark, but being able to > see more than just stars during the ride made it more exciting for=20 > me. Plus it added some variation to the ride, other than the=20 > layout. Yes! I agree with you 100%. Thanks for putting that into words. > The ride has great theming and story and such, > but I'm jaded enough that the thrilling parts don't do much for me, > so I'm mostly only riding for the theming (though I do enjoy it's=20 > "coaster drop" quite a bit). Yeah, I like it and all, but I've often noticed that it's one of the longest if not the longest wait in the park, even when it *isn't* 90 degrees. Strikes me as weird, that's all. I think we're spoiled here in SoCal; the log flumes at Disneyland, Knott's, and SFMM are all top-notch. > Oh, and I rode Winne the Pooh for the first time fairly recently. I > liked it, but it did seem a bit short.=20 ... > I like how the station has a very outdoorsy feel to it. Yeah, it's a pleasant enough ride but (1) I was a big fan of the Country Bears, and (2) I've seen a DVD of what the Pooh ride in Tokyo is like, and it's like 10 times better. Disney hyped this one up the wazoo when it opened and it's nothing more than a decent C-ticket ride.=20 =20 > >4. Monster's Inc.: Mike and Sulley to the Rescue.=20 > The color changing effect didn't work when I rode it. :-(. Anyways, > I enjoyed the ride, but I didn't feel it was worth the 45 minute=20 > wait when I could just go next door and have several other rides of > similar quality at my disposal. Once the line goes down a bit=20 > (assuming it does, I keep checking when I go), it's something that > I'll probably try to make a point to ride whenever I go to DCA. And > rerideable attractions like that are exactly what DCA needs, so=20 > that's excellent. And they definitely needed > something like that besides ToT for that part of the park. It's kinda odd; Disney perhaps learned from Winnie the Pooh not to overhype a simple dark ride like this, and they still ended up with big crowds on it. I only waited about 10 minutes or so; on MiceAge, they're surmising that all the Passholders needed to catch the one new thing in the park, but once a couple months had passed, they had all managed to do that. It is a fun little ride; I'd do it again. You know what would REALLY draw a lot of the crowds from Disneyland over to DCA? Move Fantasmic to the big lake at Paradise Pier. There's no thematic reason to have it in Frontierland, anyway. > You're braver than I. I've still never gone on that ride. It's not > because I get sick on spinning rides, it's just that swing rides=20 > like Wave Swingers and Yo-Yos scare the heck out of me. Heh. No fear here, except for the very legitimate fear of nausea! Actually, to tell the truth, the Abominable Snowman on the Matterhorn scares me. No lie. > Maybe it's just the fact that getting to see the mini-Discovery > in the station is enough hard sci-fi for me when I'm at Disneyland,=20 That's part of why I miss the Adventure Thru Inner Space. I guess it was getting way dated, but it was a fun ride. My thoughts are that they could use a similar concept for more current science; maybe something biological or a trip to the outer planets and moons using NASA footage. > Oh yeah, and I think I might agree that Indy's queue is better.=20=20 > Star Tours has more stuff concentrated into a relatively small space=20 The great thing about both is that they really do a great job of conveying the story behind the ride, really enhancing the experience. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 04 16:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23232 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 95333 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.5.186] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:35:50 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:35:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=caAW40256bftINqgX4qAA-2CQoyStzcgdDDNzO5RYr2oZHMLbHar X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was looking at the arial photos on pointbuzz, and there was one in partic= ular that I found interesting: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3D3808 < From this, it appears that the station will be the heavily concreted area a= djacent to the Frontier Town midway. The lift appears to be on the left ru= nning toward the top of the photo. From there, it's anybody's guess as to = the track direction. And most likely not all the footers have been poured.= There's some sort of turn in the big pond at the upper left. But obvious= ly a run adjacent to the shore will bring the train back to the station. So anyone have a clue as to what type of Intamin ride this is going to be? = That seems like an awful lot of concrete around the station area. Why so = much? Jay =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Jun 04 16:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8203 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 23:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2006 23:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-57.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 23:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 763 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2006 23:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 23:43:49 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-130-51.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.130.51] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fn2G5-0001k5-Vm for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:43:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:47:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.130.51 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=jkf-LyWSIeQ938c1zCQVfSC4QkFVc8OYoTbfcmHQHeEOHvZk05jX X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I was looking at the arial photos on pointbuzz, and there was one > in particular that I found interesting: > >> http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3808 < > >> From this, it appears that the station will be the heavily >> concreted area adjacent to the Frontier Town midway. The lift >> appears to be on the left running toward the top of the photo. >> From there, it's anybody's guess as to the track direction. And >> most likely not all the footers have been poured. There's some >> sort of turn in the big pond at the upper left. But obviously a >> run adjacent to the shore will bring the train back to the station. > > So anyone have a clue as to what type of Intamin ride this is going > to be? That seems like an awful lot of concrete around the station > area. Why so much? I'm pretty sure its going to be the Intamin launched stand up wood hypercoaster thats been rumored for so long. Mike From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Jun 04 19:57:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 842 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.4c9.a0e86 (15875) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0344839cb32e1; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:53:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:53:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44839CB7.40107@aol.com> References: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=MvGhmS1C4A1EuJcWVAWXf1njALYlT38DM1jEsjBCQYWo9XnXJA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mike wrote on 6/4/2006, 7:47 PM: > > I was looking at the arial photos on pointbuzz, and there was one > > in particular that I found interesting: > > > >> http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3808 < > > > >> From this, it appears that the station will be the heavily > >> concreted area adjacent to the Frontier Town midway. The lift > >> appears to be on the left running toward the top of the photo. > >> From there, it's anybody's guess as to the track direction. And > >> most likely not all the footers have been poured. There's some > >> sort of turn in the big pond at the upper left. But obviously a > >> run adjacent to the shore will bring the train back to the station. > > > > So anyone have a clue as to what type of Intamin ride this is going > > to be? That seems like an awful lot of concrete around the station > > area. Why so much? > > I'm pretty sure its going to be the Intamin launched stand up wood > hypercoaster thats been rumored for so long. > > Mike You sure, I thought it was going to be a wooden invert called Poseidon: The Flop. In all seriousness, I really have no idea. At first I thought they would go with a plug and play, but the footers are too far apart for wood. Are we sure it is Intamin. A flyer or floorless would fit in the park well (I can just see the coaster flying past that bridge). But then again, I haven't really been keeping up on what is going on at CP. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jun 04 20:03:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39786 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 03:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 03:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 03:02:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F449A72 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53483AB6-504A-4E94-B72B-E472504A22E7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:34:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=EWJXJYBbeUYMkuzi9MyJ2zIetu4fMgarFuAYlOEG9V6pDrK4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > So anyone have a clue as to what type of Intamin ride this is going > to be? That seems like an awful lot of concrete around the station > area. Why so much? Hmm .. I really don't have much of a clue. Although I have to admit that I really can't get excited by anything Cedar Point does .. they seem to have totally lost the plot :( Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Dental plan! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Lisa need braces! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Jun 04 20:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92692 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 03:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.197) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 03:11:47 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i1so964976nzh for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr3085034qbm; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.9 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:10:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44839CB7.40107@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44839CB7.40107@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=AiOTSEYvlr4hhnDskb8YOiwh8HFwrPoyWYD3Y9SOpdafXGBWsjI6ELc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > >> From this, it appears that the station will be the heavily > > >> concreted area adjacent to the Frontier Town midway. I'm not sure which area you're referring to, but Cedar Point retained the station from the log flume, and I can only assume they are using it as a station for this new ride. Either that, or it's just going to be an indoor queue. > Are we sure it is Intamin. Pretty sure: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3829 ;-) -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jun 05 10:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93000 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 17:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 17:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 17:44:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 17:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 17:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 17:43:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:43:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=qc3Swk3xLHERy89WFpAVnzdilXg6M17VAJN_xHtm7z60byGnBqkG2n8mUg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > > >> From this, it appears that the station will be the heavily > > > >> concreted area adjacent to the Frontier Town midway. >=20 > I'm not sure which area you're referring to, but Cedar Point retained > the station from the log flume, and I can only assume they are using > it as a station for this new ride. Either that, or it's just going=20 to > be an indoor queue. maybe a Hyper shoot-the-chutes? ;) From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jun 05 11:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54294 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 18:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 18:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 18:49:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 18:48:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 18:48:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2006 18:48:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:48:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=pWZEsPikdJkWnNhH1hPHQKJllSW5sJUplfuTLbi5Kvwo0F96SE1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > maybe a Hyper shoot-the-chutes? ;) No way man. I think they're re-creating the Mauch Chunk Railway. Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jun 05 15:36:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48509 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 22:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 22:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 22:17:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 86394 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 22:15:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060605221523.86390.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.246.240] by web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:15:23 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1149526590.205.85493.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=7Kq_WGvk8fAa6bLPv0PYTq0z2v27k2En1kfwPbtQA3oVZvRN5Do- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure which area you're referring to < The area to the lower left of the photo (in back of Mean Streak's lift) with the huge slabs of poured concrete. > but Cedar Point retained the station from the log flume < Hmmm...could be. But the section I'm talking about looks freshly dug and poured. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 05 16:10:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21826 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 23:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2006 23:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.237) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 23:10:05 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so1117446wri for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.191.20 with SMTP id t20mr4066937qbp; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:09:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060605221523.86390.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149526590.205.85493.m20@yahoogroups.com> <20060605221523.86390.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KWCujWKHsHYRxINbC-OyqA5Gmq5R8NlEA9tSGlph0uSDqDM8keNQ6FY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The area to the lower left of the photo (in back of Mean Streak's lift) with the huge slabs of poured concrete. Are we looking at the same picture? I see footers, but nothing big enough to be a station. -Nate From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Jun 05 18:46:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96787 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 01:46:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 01:46:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 01:46:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:46:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53483AB6-504A-4E94-B72B-E472504A22E7@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=I4X_7wYewRlP-UI6dHaEHnOBGOJboRxVfRnyjs_jT2q9iJCkOg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > So anyone have a clue as to what type of Intamin ride this is going = =20 > > to be? That seems like an awful lot of concrete around the station = =20 > > area. Why so much? >=20 > Hmm .. I really don't have much of a clue. Although I have to admit=20=20 > that I really can't get excited by anything Cedar Point does .. they=20=20 > seem to have totally lost the plot :( >=20 > Cameron. what do you mean they've "lost the plot"? i think it'll be cool to have the western themed water coaster , brings lif= e to that *themed*=20 area of the park. oh wait, Cedar Point isn't allowed to theme , they're not= as great as the=20 almighty SFGrAm! haha jk anyways, not sure what plot you're thinking they've lost.... curious to fin= d out jeremy From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jun 05 19:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94819 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.200) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 02:14:30 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t4so821678wxc for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.17.17 with SMTP id 17mr6879481wxq; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.1 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:14:28 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <53483AB6-504A-4E94-B72B-E472504A22E7@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=h3y-gMyGM67BcFxy8QzCVSKfKm-CumKnsUFv3IORFM9DG0hQRZF9o-E X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >what do you mean they've "lost the plot"? > >i think it'll be cool to have the western themed water coaster , brings > life to that *themed* > >area of the park. oh wait, Cedar Point isn't allowed to theme , they're > not as great as the > >almighty SFGrAm! haha jk > > >anyways, not sure what plot you're thinking they've lost.... curious to > find out > ._,___ > I'm not sure, but I'd guess that he made a typo and meant "lost the point," which is a statement I could kind of agree with. Their last few coasters and rides have just been built a little too much on the "bigger is better" mentality, and hopefully this one doesn't follow suit. A new world's longest coaster might provide a good ride, but anything else would probably be built almost entirely for the adjective. However, based on what we've seen so far, I'm guessing they aren't going with their usually mentality, but we'll just have to wait and see what they have up their sleeves. I'm hoping for either an Aquatrax or a Wingwalker. I think something like Colossus might be nice too, even though it'd probably be meant as another recordbreaker. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Jun 06 05:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15178 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 12:10:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 12:10:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 12:10:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:10:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060604233550.95330.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.123 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=QsoCbCvIh0WpedQXMqmUhhlE5MLkwoVuGbxweX-BIyE3GAVuDNw X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Red steel tracks are already stored close outside the Point, close to=20 the Breakers Express. All the White Water Landing (WWL) have been=20 removed, but the structure above the loading platform. Written=20 indications around the area fuel speculation about a western themed. I guess for a water roller coaster, i.e. Intamin's Aquatrax. This=20 coaster doesn't have train, only cars, so the former WWL station would=20 be appropriate for the loading process. There is not a lot of water=20 roller coaster, so it would be easy for Cedar Point to break a new=20 world record in this category. Since the WWL has passed away, a new=20 family attraction (and not as soaking as Thunder Canyon or Snake River=20 Falls) similar to a flume ride would be welcomed. Moreover, when Cedar=20 Point has announced maXair for 2005, Dick Kinzel said that the park had=20 planned a new water ride, but has changed for a swing ride, leading to=20 speculation about a forthcoming water ride in the park. For all these=20 reasons, I guess for a water roller coaster. Fred From sberger1@ithaca.edu Tue Jun 06 11:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie.bergeron@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80776 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 18:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 18:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 18:53:53 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y25so1838998nfb for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.42.5 with SMTP id u5mr4431521nfj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.1 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d0ddb5e0606061125t1e6edf7w25e30a3c2cae3e1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:25:04 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 86cad8673cd8d91e X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Stephanie Bergeron" Subject: ATTENTION MASSACHUSETTS COASTER ENTHUSIASTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=152129943; y=pjn3a3HNIUbGUgt-BZImH178ySfZHMY2GjBy95AETLIQ7ANQ9L9A X-Yahoo-Profile: stephberg315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I am working on an article for The Cape Cod Times about local coaster enthusiasts. If you or anyone you know lives in Cape Cod and loves coasters please email me. Thanks, Stephanie Bergeron Reporter, The Cape Cod Times stephanie.bergeron@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 06 13:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75634 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so5823nzo for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.197.12 with SMTP id z12mr4957771qbp; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:07:41 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Vkbprl13JQLp6E73QTgwby3KFvIA9lUi_IkQf9uXNpkb8hvKtbv3DtA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I totally intended on getting up by 9am and being at Dollywood by 10, but the time change screwed me up once again and we didn't actually wake up until 10. The drive to Dollywood from Knoxville sucks. It's miles upon miles of tourist crap even more offensive than the Dells, the traffic is terrible, and it was 90-something degrees already. We stopped at a Shoney's for the breakfast buffet on the way, which was a little pricey but decent. One of the waitresses could have been Dolly Parton's twin sister, and I couldn't help but feel bad for her hair. We ended up getting stuck in Lot F when we finally got to Dollywood, which meant a loooong tram ride on to the gate on the slowest tram in history. I had called Dollywood that morning to ask about available discounts, and the best option the man who answered could mumble was something about Coke cans. So with the $5 discount, we got in for around $40. The South is really a scary place. I know I could never, ever live down there. For one thing, it's just too damn hot. But the people really, truly frighten me. I don't think I've ever seen so many confederate flags =96 shirts, hats, tattoos, and everything else you could imagine. I really think 90% of the people at Dollywood were wearing clothes with either the American flag or the confederate flag. There seems to be a contradiction here, but maybe that's just me. One man was wearing a huge confederate flag shirt with the words "It's a Southern Thang =96 you wouldn't understand." I didn't want to. Of course, we hiked up to Thunderhead first. I was unfamiliar with the park's layout so I was searching for it on the map when a random employee came over and asked if I needed help. I thought that could be a bit annoying, but it was a nice touch and really impressed me. The walk up to Thunderhead is ridiculously and unnecessarily long. The hill is not so steep that the path couldn't just go straight up there without winding back and forth for a mile. Then, once the ride finally comes into view, you still have to wind around another corner before you're actually in the Timber Canyon area. It's not a very nice path, either. In ten years it might look nicer once the trees grow back in, but for now it looks very out of place in such a heavily-wooded park. We only waited about 15 minutes for the back seat. The crew here was not only efficient, but extremely enthusiastic and friendly. Cedar Point take note - this is how spieling should be done. They loaded us quickly, gave the all clear, and we were off. I wasn't sure what to expect from Thunderhead. Enthusiasts far and wide have raved about this thing like a pack of salivating wolves, but I'd also heard from a few trustworthy people that it's wildly overrated. My thoughts fall somewhere in the middle. There is no doubt that this is a really great ride. It's beautiful, it's in a fantastic location, there are a few places of good airtime, and it's very smooth. But I really think it's becoming obvious that GCI just doesn't build the types of rides I like. Comparing the Gravity Group and GCI is like comparing Intamin and B&M. The two former companies build very smooth, very graceful, and rather forceless rides. Meanwhile, the two latter companies build insane, intense, balls-to-the-walls rides. I much prefer the GG/Intamin style of ride. Plus, I think Thunderhead was pretty severely lacking in the airtime department. That would have been fine had the ride contained some intense positive G's in the turns like the Voyage, but it didn't do that either. The first drop is really great though. The new Topple Tower was unfortunately closed, so we backtracked through the entrance plaza and into Rivertown & Craftsman's Valley. WOW! What a gorgeous park this is! I can honestly only think of a few parks that are prettier, and those are Busch and Disney parks. This whole area is very heavily wooded, and there are flowers, waterfalls, and fountains everywhere. I could have walked around for a long time just noticing all of the details. I figured Dollywood would be nice, but I was totally blown away. This area of the park was truly amazing. I had always been told Dollywood was in the mountains, but I never really grasped what that meant until entering Craftsman's Valley. This park is truly *IN* the mountains. In fact, the park's layout is so bizarre simply because the paths follow along the bottoms of the valleys. It's all very pretty, but it does mean long, narrow stretches of path and not a whole lot of room for major rides without getting creative. We stumbled upon Blazing Fury on our way back to Tennessee Tornado and decided to jump in line. The queue appeared to be full, but we only waited for about five minutes. Where is the rest of this ride's queue hiding? Certainly there must be more waiting space than this. Otherwise the area in front of the building must be a mob scene on busy days. I don't really recall ever reading any other reviews of this ride, but I loved it. The dark ride portions were corny and outdated, and the building kind of looks like it's falling apart, but there are a few very good, very surprising drops. The water splash was fun too. This is a really great family attraction, and it would be a shame to see it go anywhere. RCDB doesn't credit a manufacturer for this ride...was this done completely in-house? While Blazing Fury seemed to have no queue, the queue for Tennessee Tornado never seemed to end. The line zig-zags up ramps into the station in a large, unventilated building. It was hot, humid, and the other people in line were not the type of people I'd want to smell. We ended up waiting about 20 minutes, which wasn't terrible, but it felt like much longer in the heat. They were only running one train, which I found frustrating until I saw the train pull into the brakes. Is it even possible to run more than one train on this ride? Yes, I realize there's a transfer track and the park owns a second train, but that doesn't mean the ride is actually blocked to run two. My guess is that a second train (if it is indeed possible) results in some *hard* braking, since the solo train was flying into the station. This is one coaster I have always wanted to ride - not because I thought it looked particularly good, but because I'm a famous Arrow hater and people have sworn up and down this thing would change my mind. I'm happy to report that it didn't. This is indeed a very good coaster, and I would have happily taken another ride if the line hadn't been so long. The first drop through the tunnel is surprisingly long, the huge vertical loop is great, and the entire thing is very forceful. But it's not the B&M/glass-smooth coaster that many have claimed it is. The transitions are definitely better, and the trackwork is smoother, but it still feels like an Arrow. It's a difficult feeling to describe, but the trains feel very rigid and they jerk/shake around the turns like every other Arrow coaster. This ride isn't *rough* like other Arrow coasters, but it didn't change my mind about the company in general. We stopped by the eagle sanctuary for a moment until I remembered I hate birds. They do have a ton of Eagles in here though. The wait for Daredevil Falls was 45 minutes. It's a very impressive looking ride, but I wasn't about to wait that long. I've always said that if I ever got to Dollywood, I would not miss out on the Mountain Sidewinder. It's one of only two rides of its kind in the country, and it looks totally funky and unique. We couldn't see a line from the landing area, so we started the long climb to the top. Of course, we ran into a line somewhere near the top, which stretched back to a "Wait time from this point is 45 minutes" sign. But we had already hiked so far up the hill that neither of us really wanted to walk back, so we resolved to wait it out. We chose wisely. After about ten minutes, one of the attendants at the top called for groups of two, so Nick and I got to bypass a large portion of the line. He asked if we were willing to split up, which was fine since it meant we got to get on the ride sooner. After another ten minutes or so of waiting in the station, it was our turn to board. Nick was in the right chute and I was on the left. The ride itself was really quite fun, albeit really quite wet. I imagine you could really get the rafts flying down the hill if they were weighted correctly. I somehow managed to stay completely dry on one side of my body while the other was completely drenched. The second best part was the rather large drop at the end. The best part was overhearing some kid talking about his ride and raving about going through the tunnel, referring to it as "the sewer pipe." Must be a Tennessee thing. Nick was excited about riding the train, since Dollywood operates a gorgeous full-scale steam engine (actually, I believe they have three of them). I got sidetracked on the way, however, by the smell of peppers cooking on an open-flame skillet and realized how hungry I was. Since Nick would sooner die than eat a vegetable, he went off in search of some pizza while I stood in line for PaPaw's Flatbread Sandwiches. Somebody should tell the folks at Dollywood that when you press flour really, really think it's called a "tortilla", not flatbread, and when you wrap it around peppers, onions, and chicken it's called a "fajita", not a sandwich. Nevertheless, they were fantastic. I'm getting hungry just thinking about it: http://www.dollywood.com/food%2Ddining/detail.aspx?AttractionID=3D345 Nick wasn't thrilled by his pizza, so I ended up eating half of that too while waiting for the train. I thought it was good. I was slightly annoyed that we were forced to wait on the train for about fifteen minutes while they tried to sell us drinks and kettle corn. I hate kettle corn. But I suppose the train needs to be "refueled." The train ride itself was okay. The parts that circled the park were the nice, but there wasn't a whole lot to look at once we got up into the mountains. Maybe it's just that I've seen woods before, but you'd think the hillbillies at this park have too. Open passenger cars don't work so well with a coal-fired engine; about halfway through I noticed that I was covered in little flecks of coal. I guess you should plan for this if you sit on the outside. Even though the route wasn't the coolest, and the spiel is just too southern/religious/"proud to be an American" for me, I'm glad they're running these engines. They really are amazing machines. By the time we finished with the train it was around 4:00 and almost time to go. I wanted to make sure I'd seen the whole park before we left, though, so we wandered around the Country Fair area. Again, maybe this will look nice in ten years, but for now it's very wide open, very loud, and very hot. The theming is minimal, but nice. The problem is the lack of landscaping and trees, especially in comparison to the rest of the park. It's very Cedar Fair, which just doesn't fit in this park, despite the theme. Also, what is up with the cages on the kiddie coaster? I didn't know whether to laugh or scowl. I was humored and repulsed at the same time. I wanted one more ride on Thunderhead before we left the park, so we walked through Jukebox Junction and Adventures into Imagination on the way. These areas felt totally different from the rest of the park, with the emphasis on shows and Dolly herself and lots of newer buildings. It reminded me a bit of Universal Studios. It's interesting how different areas of this park feel so different from each other. It's almost like it has split personalities. For the last ride on Thunderhead we sat near the front and had a slightly better ride than before. As on other GCI rides, though, I don't really notice a big difference between front and back seat rides. Afterward we wandered around the new Timber Canyon area for a few minutes. This area looks really nice, with some great theming and landscaping. It'll be great once the trees grow in. The new Lumberjack Lifts looks like a really stupid attraction, as does the Beaver Creek Boat Float, in which the main attraction is watching plastic disks float down a small river. But the theming is nice. :-) Satisfied with the few hours we had at Dollywood, we decided it was time to start the loooong drive home. We had to wait about 20 minutes for a tram to take us back to the car, which was frustrating because it was about 97 degrees out. We also got dumped onto some country back roads on the way out of Dollywood, which was actually faster than taking the main strip. I wish I would have known about that route in the morning. We stopped at the original KFC location on the way home, located in Nowhere, Kentucky. It was an interesting experience to say the least. Basically, it was a regular KFC attached to an old restaurant and dining area. There was also a rather elaborate museum. Yay for KFC. The drive back through Tennessee and Kentucky was really pretty, and it made me sad that we didn't have any time to explore the mountains and such. One of my life goals is to visit every National Park, so it was aggravating driving by signs for the Great Smoky Mountains NP and not being able to stop. We wouldn't have had nearly enough time to enjoy it anyway, but what we saw from the car was pretty. I drove until we were a few miles outside of Cincinnati before Nick took over. The plan was to switch off every three hours or so because we both had to work in the morning. At some point - probably after his fourth or fifth Mountain Dew - Nick randomly decided he was just going to drive the whole way. I wasn't about to argue, so I slept intermittently. We rolled into Madison at around 5am. I dropped Nick off and made it to my apartment at 5:30. It was at least 95 degrees upstairs, but I still had no problem falling asleep. Three hours later I was at work. Apparently Nick called in sick. :-) All in all, this was a crazy, fantastic weekend. I was surprised by how few people I knew at Holiday World only to learn later that I just must have missed running into a lot of people who were there. It was nice to see those I did see, though - Brian, J, Jeremy, Erin, Beth, Cameron, Joe, Greg, Danny, and I'm sure I've forgotten some. My time at Holiday World was such a blur, and it's too bad I didn't have more time to spend with some of you. There are certainly things I'll never forget about this trip, including: -Making turkey calls all night and annoying everyone at Holiday World -Beating everyone on Gobbler Getaway...twice -The triplets (http://www.hansonbrothers.net/) -Ride attendant at The Legend: "Sir, you'll need to close your lap bar." Man behind us: "I can't, my hands are still covered in grease from the fried chicken. Could you take my glasses too?" -Nick: "It's so hot out here we could just cook hotdogs on the pavement." Nate: "Oh, where are we going to find ketchup at a time like this?" -Man on the Voyage: "Turn out the lights!" Man's daughter, repeating: "Turn out the lights!" Jeremy: "And I say follow me, follow me, follow me, down, down, down, down!= " -Random quote while walking into the buffet: "Look at all the tools; it's just like walking into Home Depot" (okay, that was me) -Brian's baby joke, which Nick LOVED -Will Koch in the picnic area: "Now, we're not quite ready to release you into the park quite yet." Jeremy: "They're still hiding the packs of meat." ...and I'm sure there are more. Thanks for a great trip, guys. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 06 13:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19918 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 20:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 20:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.195) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 20:40:02 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r28so1472336nza for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr10431qbd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:34:51 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=c_fHj0TXpl7eKROExIIF3AbQvvlVUuZcnV-FYcfnuqLB4HpyQrUL6FE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I forgot to post my updated top ten wooden coaster list, in case anyone was wondering how the three new wooden coasters affected my rankings of other rides. If you don't care, then nevermind. :-) 10. Boulderdash 9. The Comet 8. The Legend 7. Thunderhead 6. Hades 5. Avalanche 4. Phoenix 3. Shivering TImbers 2. The Raven 1. The Voyage Cornball Express and Gwazi were knocked off the list. The Kentucky Rumbler didn't make it on there, but probably sits somewhere between fifteen and twenty. Neither the Tennessee Tornado nor the Looping Star managed to affect my steel list any. :-) Thanks to those who read through all my ramblings! -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jun 06 13:44:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42937 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.487.25cd058 (65100) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:43:43 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=xH2A6DMHUquRYCqaFVfIQnQqXmcyQsJXO9QEy5YELLiYvqovsg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How come Son of Beast, Mean Streak and Texas Giant are not on your top 10???? Ha ha, just kidding! Bri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jun 06 13:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91293 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 20:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 20:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.11) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 20:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6822 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2006 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FniaV-0001Tm-8l for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:55:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> References: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:00:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=PXYzV0mnSTSYUWDqhJFT3uXzDX56zrZgZ3WGLwxurumjH5T0QmWV X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > How come Son of Beast, Mean Streak and Texas Giant are not on your > top 10???? > > Ha ha, just kidding! > > Bri Hmm... I guess a couple people have a top 10. Anyone keep track of a bottom 10? Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 06 14:17:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21696 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 21:11:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2006 21:11:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.98.239.161 From: "Chris" Subject: Misc: Netherlands! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=l7GJOPpe9JyPdbjfjTETUBK0xx_Yvw7lwhY3i5DEGZA8w75l-g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Today I went to Walibi World and Toverland. Tomorrow is Drievliet and Eftel= ing. I'm=20 on a PC in a hotel lobby in Delft, so I don't want to hog it too long.=20 Just know that Booster Bike is getting some bad rattling, Robin Hood was re= ally good,=20 La Via Volta was broken, and Goliath was really, really good. (It might bre= ak into my=20 top ten. Top twenty for certain.) Chris B From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 06 14:48:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55865 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 21:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 21:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 21:48:20 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 4so28024nzn for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.220.20 with SMTP id s20mr866qbg; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:48:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=TpQIHPkDxHV3nISOBAdbF6Btt6kEJ5g8EDtdrBBplniibCGP8WEcqYc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Hmm... I guess a couple people have a top 10. Anyone keep track of a > bottom 10? I technically do, but only because I keep coasters in an order for Mitch Hawker's poll. Bottom ten wooden coasters would be Zach's Zoomer, Beastie, Raging Wolf Bobs, Predator, Mean Streak, Pegasus, Grizzly (PGA), Son of Beast, Thunderbolt (Kennywood), and the Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain. Bottom ten steel coasters would be the Rugrats Runaway Reptar (PKI), Santa Monica West Coaster, Cedar Creek Mine Ride, Iron Dragon, Roadrunner Express (SFKK), Steamin' Demon (TGE), Dive to Atlantis, Zyklon (Fun Spot), GASM (SFGAdv), and the High Speed Thrill Coaster. Magnum *almost* made it. :-) -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jun 06 16:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61248 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2cb.8f6f2ae (30740) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2cb.8f6f2ae.31b7685d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:23:09 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=s8A1dTd5G8vBIZCDWBKNzQe4b7ojOFA-HhM0rmesCM25dSSBKA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, in all fairness, Raging Wolf Bobs is tons better than Villain these days! RWB is almost smooth as glass from what it once was. And as for Beastie, that's one Fairly Odd Coaster! Bri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 06 16:39:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84977 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 23:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 23:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 23:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 96228 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2006 23:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060606233947.96226.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.240.37] by web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:39:47 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=7nMMCW5O0Yce_Jy_JbRHDHCUTl1F81ZPG5duHmpHwTdKZaIy4wuT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Are we looking at the same picture? I see footers, but nothing big enough to be a station. < If those are footers, they're the biggest darn footers I've ever seen. They're giant blocks of concrete, about eleven of them (with a possible 12th yet to be poured); about 2/3 of them are in a straight line. Then there's a 90-degree turn to the right with a few more of them, ending with a larger "footer" that to me looks more like the foundation of a station house. The standard sonotube footers follow after that in a straight line, looking suspiciously like a lift hill. A water coaster would make sense, especially with the footers going into the big pond. I just had another thought (my second one today; I'd better watch it): could the footers simply be leftover from White Water Landing? Obviously, the huge blocks were just poured. But the smaller round footers might be old. (It's so much fun to speculate!) Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 06 16:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50236 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 23:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2006 23:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 23:56:34 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m22so47903nzf for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.141.5 with SMTP id t5mr81028qbn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:56:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060606233947.96226.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060606233947.96226.qmail@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sNrq7qJ4RgqfArSW8v289yy-0t_TpQCPSLMzYQdDg1n04kTIyhpoIds X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If those are footers, they're the biggest darn footers I've ever seen. ..Then there's > a 90-degree turn to the right with a few more of them, ending with a larger "footer" > that to me looks more like the foundation of a station house. I think this picture might clear things up: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3811 You can see here that (a) those footers really aren't that big and (b) they act as a foundation for more than one footer. Take a look at the first picture you posted again ( http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3808 ) and compare the size of that large footer to Mean Streak's station. There's no comparison - the Mean Streak station is about ten times larger. > I just had another thought (my second one today; I'd better watch it): could the > footers simply be leftover from White Water Landing? Obviously, the huge blocks > were just poured. But the smaller round footers might be old. (It's so much fun to > speculate!) Judging by the amount of dirt in the area and some of the other pics, the footers you're seeing are new. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jun 06 19:35:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70365 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:26:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: extremely short TR: BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=MjeznDp4lzwod0rMHj8Jt9O5ChtX4QzFwrP6jTlV3lhZM0O2zZwMtVK9Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 went today to meet up with another stay-at-home dad. got there first=20 thing at 9AM and there was hardly anyone there. bought a few things at=20 the Montu gift shop then headed over to meet my pal and his kids at=20 Land of the Dragons. rode the carosuel and the little ferris wheel=20 with my infant son. woo. hung out there while the guy's kids played in=20 the fountains. we walked around some after that. it was pretty much=20 empty for the most part. split about 2. thats bout it really. everything seemed to be running, but some of the=20 fountains werent running cause of the water restrictions. still, found=20 some new areas of the park i didnt even know existed(butterfly garden=20 and koi pond). made liberal use of their soda refill policy.=20 told ya it was short.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 06 20:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98706 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k573GirH003020 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <033a01c689e0$d5b3d550$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <8d0ddb5e0606061125t1e6edf7w25e30a3c2cae3e1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:16:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ATTENTION MASSACHUSETTS COASTER ENTHUSIASTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=OZFAv0f1SnlFqEWH0PUcPEJev_RU3d1PEPGg36a-SoY3DflHz-kTk0ZYbg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Sorry, I'm an ex Calfornian, moved to Orlando to be near the parks and just decided to get out of Florida and move to North Carolina now... but no Cape Cod history. ;-) Not sure of anyone else either. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Bergeron" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] ATTENTION MASSACHUSETTS COASTER ENTHUSIASTS > Hello! > > I am working on an article for The Cape Cod Times about local coaster > enthusiasts. If you or anyone you know lives in Cape Cod and loves > coasters > please email me. > > Thanks, > > Stephanie Bergeron > Reporter, The Cape Cod Times > stephanie.bergeron@gmail.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 05:13:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91838 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:12:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:12:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.240.37 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Just Testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZoJdfMxuucFnISBL2TO3-VTLDOVukASosP55Sitk6gNcL1wJAsqh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Oooops. I forgot the link to the photo -- > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/view/3f12?b=3D5 < Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 05:17:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41391 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 12:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 12:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 12:13:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:08:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:08:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.240.37 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Just Testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QyElIVHIUJBLojITyMf5RkkY6B-9G6lQhH_TjOk2xtEywGZbfxwV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's a photo from the Springfield MA Republican yesterday advertising a fair that will take place in West Springfield. It's not exactly a glowing endorsement of C&J Amusements. The caption under it says the kids, who are "related to the owners...frolic in the miniature roller coaster cars yesterday during set-up...." But on a quick glance, it looks like the operator is going to send the kids off to their death. Note the track in the background that isn't assembled. And it doesn't help that the coaster train appears dented up and in need of paint. The strap on the lap bar in front is frayed and duct-taped. This is the sort of advertising that carnivals don't need. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 05:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85737 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 12:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 12:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 12:22:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:19:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:19:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:19:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:19:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.240.37 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YamkbiC9T14kwJNRyOHLP6T6yFxDAchX2KwArGiz9y7hP_xiq4QL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think this picture might clear things up: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3D3811 < Okay, Nate. I'm convinced. The footers are about the size of a minivan, but in relation to the Mean Streak station, you're right -- they really aren't all that big. And with the multiple sonotube forms embedded in them, they're probably just reinforcement. That seems like an odd curve, though, very tight. Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait to see further construction. Jay From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Jun 07 05:59:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30154 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 12:54:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 12:49:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:48:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: extremely short TR: BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=H5UGGlsRojZCT7go0_3bCQ0xgJ_qPExLEdO6ozcIHodLkh7Uf51Goy0 X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > went today to meet up with another stay-at-home dad. got there first=20 > thing at 9AM and there was hardly anyone there. bought a few things=20 at=20 > the Montu gift shop then headed over to meet my pal and his kids at=20 > Land of the Dragons. rode the carosuel and the little ferris wheel=20 > with my infant son. woo. hung out there while the guy's kids played=20 in=20 > the fountains. we walked around some after that. it was pretty much=20 > empty for the most part. split about 2. >=20 You didn't take the little guys on sheikra or gwazi?? shame on you... ;) From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jun 07 07:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40041 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 14:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 14:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 14:11:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 14:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2006 14:10:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:10:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: extremely short TR: BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=uexqy80n0q5pcEhxU0-ClCKJ-hNUmJNIktrEa4NttHYPkPuyIuYq-Ts-YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > You didn't take the little guys on sheikra or gwazi?? shame on=20 you... ;) well, my son is 7 months old, and his daughters were 4 and 7 y.o. i dont think they had much interest it all that.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jun 07 09:58:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31159 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 16:58:28 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k57EBb9L004735 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07cc01c68a3c$52a89a90$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:11:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QzuNNAzGjOjS-Yi1dYvzUJsxsQFwp5ar0Qgw1rMi2Zo8ngvngC4c4ZdRyA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I think this picture might clear things up: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3811 < Okay, Nate. I'm convinced. The footers are about the size of a minivan, but in relation to the Mean Streak station, you're right -- they really aren't all that big. And with the multiple sonotube forms embedded in them, they're probably just reinforcement. That seems like an odd curve, though, very tight. Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait to see further construction. Perhaps we should be thinking about something with a wider than normal trains from what we've seen from Intamin before that would require a bigger support like this. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 10:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93283 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 17:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 17:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54201.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.243) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 17:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 80614 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 17:42:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060607174245.80612.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.27] by web54201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:42:45 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <07cc01c68a3c$52a89a90$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=12iOfcxeJMhVgqonjFRsjO2HG1H6LmYu1tN55JQGu2LwYOCCr5YFj7Co_4Zyu2F5 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been hearing different bits of information about the new coaster. the most notable is that c.p. says it is heading in a different direction. I think that this might mean that instead of going for the tallest coaster record they might be going after the record for the most inversions. either way it should be one heck of a ride when they are done. Lance Hart wrote: > I think this picture might clear things up: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3811 < Okay, Nate. I'm convinced. The footers are about the size of a minivan, but in relation to the Mean Streak station, you're right -- they really aren't all that big. And with the multiple sonotube forms embedded in them, they're probably just reinforcement. That seems like an odd curve, though, very tight. Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait to see further construction. Perhaps we should be thinking about something with a wider than normal trains from what we've seen from Intamin before that would require a bigger support like this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jun 07 10:46:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1996 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 17:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2006 17:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54203.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.245) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 17:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 41948 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 17:42:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20060607174133.41921.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.27] by web54203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:41:33 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <07cc01c68a3c$52a89a90$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=pWpVcprPYdfqyqk-iRrHWqD9fB0sTQ6j04t9ON7-kNlvjhBM5FN0RiyIh_tR84iZ X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been hearing different bits of information about the new coaster. the most notable is that c.p. says it is heading in a different direction. I think that this might mean that instead of going for the tallest coaster record they might be going after the record for the most inversions. either way it should be one heck of a ride when they are done. Lance Hart wrote: > I think this picture might clear things up: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3811 < Okay, Nate. I'm convinced. The footers are about the size of a minivan, but in relation to the Mean Streak station, you're right -- they really aren't all that big. And with the multiple sonotube forms embedded in them, they're probably just reinforcement. That seems like an odd curve, though, very tight. Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait to see further construction. Perhaps we should be thinking about something with a wider than normal trains from what we've seen from Intamin before that would require a bigger support like this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jun 07 17:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2464 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 00:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id HEP54679; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001601c68a8f$8d5a9c80$6501a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:07:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090208.44876890.0014,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: RE: extremely short TR BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=T_D_Z1O5ei_7B49wYD1xPRx9adnmrs6u07OTXjToEytJNyIP X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bought a few things at the Montu gift shop then headed over to meet my pal and his kids at Land of the Dragons. This was one area of BGT I regret not exploring a little closer when I was there in April. My wife and I do not have any children, but from what I could see of it as we walked by, LotD looked like a very nice, large, well-themed play area. Do they have anything "unique" in terms of playground items for the kiddos? Where is the Koi Pond and Butterfly Garden located? Do you mean the Backyard Wildlife Habitat Area? Are they one and the same, or do you mean something altogether different? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jun 07 17:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65954 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 00:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 00:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.171) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 00:23:29 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email01.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id AIA48309; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:23:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c68a91$fd7879e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:25:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email01.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.44876CA6.0003,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=0zc1mZyr0UEERfXPIH4Ir8aS9Y1G9wmNSZsg9-elvN4qfkIW X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posting my reply to Doug's exrtremely short BGT post just now, it sparked my memory of something that I had wanted to comment on, but had forgotten about when I wrote up my BGT TRs back in April. I have often thought that one of the most boring jobs for any ride operator anywhere would be the position of "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy." Just why is it necessary to have a guy sitting in a booth at the top of Log Flume Lifts, anyways? You don't see manned little booths at the tops of any roller coaster lifts! (at least none that I am aware of) ANYWAYS... Be that as it may, I was: amused/shocked/slightly worried/disappointed/not entirely surprised (all rolled into one) when I reached the top of the 2nd lift on BGT's Log Flume and discovered that the "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy" was soundly asleep! (He was a younger guy, I'd say in his early 20s.) I thought about screaming "WAKE UP!!!!!!!" at the top of my lungs just before I took my plunge, but I decided against it. I would think that would be a very good way for a person to lose his/her job in a hurry, though. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who, unfortunately, will have to stay away from roller coasters for 4-6 weeks while I recuperate from hernia surgery. :-( [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jun 07 17:34:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11659 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 00:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 00:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 00:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 00:34:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 00:34:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:34:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c68a91$fd7879e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=w3zgtVV6SA3m8wSNH0t5trGlD28cGfuoIVmC12fTIcTnmbny3g X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > ANYWAYS... Be that as it may, I was: amused/shocked/slightly worried/dis= appointed/not=20 entirely surprised (all rolled into one) when I reached the top of the 2nd = lift on BGT's Log=20 Flume and discovered that the "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy" was soundly a= sleep! (He was a=20 younger guy, I'd say in his early 20s.) >=20 > I thought about screaming "WAKE UP!!!!!!!" at the top of my lungs just be= fore I took my=20 plunge, but I decided against it. >=20 > I would think that would be a very good way for a person to lose his/her = job in a hurry,=20 though. >=20 > Jon Z Funny you mention that. I remember during Holiwood Nights we were all talki= ng about fellow=20 coaster-Tool Corey. (Remember him George?) Anyways, i believe he lost his j= ob at Cedar=20 Point doing that. haha good story jeremy d. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jun 07 18:32:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60121 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 01:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 01:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 01:32:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 01:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 01:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 01:32:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:32:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c68a8f$8d5a9c80$6501a8c0@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: extremely short TR BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=aW8tdua0zN190u-Cw2Yjbgy-Fd8LxqcaH1G49oMTr1sTx7DqVeV6dhSZDw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zerkel" =20 wrote: > > bought a few things at the Montu gift shop then headed over to=20 meet my pal and his kids at=20 > Land of the Dragons.=20 >=20 > This was one area of BGT I regret not exploring a little closer=20 when I was there in April. My wife and I do not have any children,=20 but from what I could see of it as we walked by, LotD looked like a=20 very nice, large, well-themed play area. Do they have=20 anything "unique" in terms of playground items for the kiddos? the play area really isnt that big. the rope bridges are neat and=20 all, i think the Seuss IOA area is nicer. but still glad this area=20 is here, for when the little one is older.=20 =20 > Where is the Koi Pond and Butterfly Garden located? Do you mean=20 the Backyard Wildlife Habitat Area? Are they one and the same, or=20 do you mean something altogether different? that im not sure of. id imagine it is. i didnt notice what the name=20 of the area was called. george? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 07 20:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18803 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 03:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 03:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.234) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 03:12:19 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so298117wra for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.237.20 with SMTP id o20mr1304300qbr; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:12:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c68a91$fd7879e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002701c68a91$fd7879e0$6501a8c0@MyDomain> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_Txr001LZpTIOIKsafRgH_q-zYFYXxf47KVcNIPnHddfucJS35JhiCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Just why is it necessary to have a guy sitting in a booth at the top of Log > > Flume Lifts, anyways? You don't see manned little booths at the tops of any > > roller coaster lifts! (at least none that I am aware of) You can't stand up on a coaster (*usually*, at least). In any case, most log flumes and rapids rides have manned platforms in areas that are hidden from the actual operator. Standing up, horseplay, and water don't mix well. > Anyways, i believe he lost his job at Cedar Point doing that. haha LOL! That's confidential information! (although I can't say I didn't think the same thing when I read Jon's post) :) -Nate From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Wed Jun 07 21:15:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79335 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 04:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 04:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.156) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 04:15:24 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k584FLgj019369 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:15:22 GMT To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <008801c68ab2$2579aa20$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaKsiRy6MpuUyE3TkWyQcjacCLvHw== X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=kh4G0HCb_HVpbKqHI09ov65hfsN1Cr3ckQtJro1nyNeA X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Has anyone tried a folding stool like this for standing in line? http://www.comfortchannel.com/prod.itml/icOid/1310 Any good? Sounds like something that can be handy when you have to stand in long lines? My 12 year old son and I are embarking 1st of July on a park hopping tour - 14 parks - Kansas City>St. Louis> Louisville > Cincinnati> Columbus> Aurora> Sandusky> Muskogee> Chicago> Mt Olympus> Shakopee > Okalahoma City> Dallas > San Antonio and finish at Corpus Christi on the beach with my wife and daughter who'll be in Dallas for her dancing competition. Sincerely, IGGY Dybal From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jun 07 23:07:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23791 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 06:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 06:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 06:07:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 06:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 06:05:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.76.53 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Re: BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=dP5KclYYvlY9-YAMECVHaba4bCC8oIYpY-mfaGE-T9azD-gk X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 > You can't stand up on a coaster (*usually*, at least). In any case, > most log flumes and rapids rides have manned platforms in areas that > are hidden from the actual operator. Standing up, horseplay, and > water don't mix well. So, if a ride manufacturer somewhere were to invent a log flume w/=20 seat belts and lap bars.... then amusement parks everywhere could save=20 thousands of dollars in payroll annually be eliminating the position=20 of "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy?" Seems like a no brainer to me. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 08 02:46:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19234 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0000 Received: from www.buzzneon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C919A72 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:45:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 195.172.171.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cameron); by www.buzzneon.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:45:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:45:54 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: cameron@buzzneon.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=elEvf_6Aw1tJPMJuoPixvICZY0G3QkWUtOXvSvJxCifcQp8P X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The South is really a scary place. I know I could never, ever live > down there. For one thing, it's just too damn hot. But the people > really, truly frighten me. They're also slow! At Busch Gardens VA in 2004 it took me 20 minutes to just get a smoothie. When I grumbled to my friend about it (who lived in VA for many years), they justshrugged and said "well, you're in the south!". Apparently no-one is in a hurry down there. I guess there's nothing really wrong with that, but it sure was frustrating! > The crew here was > not only efficient, but extremely enthusiastic and friendly. Cedar > Point take note - this is how spieling should be done. They loaded us > quickly, gave the all clear, and we were off. I was totally blown away by the staff at Dollywood .. Hadn't seen anything like it at even Holiday World and certainly not Cedar Point. The Doolywood staff seem genuinely friendly and happy .. unlike stupid Cedar Point where they're all like fake-perky dumb blonds at TGI Friday's! [Tornado] > This is one coaster I have always wanted to ride - not because I > thought it looked particularly good, but because I'm a famous Arrow > hater and people have sworn up and down this thing would change my > mind. I'm happy to report that it didn't. AAwww! I actually really liked it, and thought it was a good mix of B&M smoothness along with "still feels like a roller-coaster". > of them). I got sidetracked on the way, however, by the smell of > peppers cooking on an open-flame skillet and realized how hungry I > was. Isn't the Doolywood food utterly amazing? Not only was the hot food amazing, but there was one place that sold huge cups of strawberries and cream. Fresh strawberries and actual fresh whipped cream. Amazing..! > it was about 97 degrees out. We also got dumped onto some country > back roads on the way out of Dollywood, which was actually faster than > taking the main strip. I wish I would have known about that route in > the morning. Did I mention yet again how much I hate that town?! Ok ..! > We stopped at the original KFC location on the way home, located in > Nowhere, Kentucky. hah .. I did the same thing!! I don't even like KFC, but I couldn't really pass that up. Nice report .. I was really taken with Dollywood. Sorry the weather was so hot, it was quite nice when I was there in 2004. Thanks for the report! Cameron. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 05:30:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87841 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 12:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 12:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:29:22 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so591301ugc for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr455482huf; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0606080525o27e736cbk6e2c1a91e372ca23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:25:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=1IKw3dfYKmjt399PAvHH_S1hhvJ7KHVlduCPa1SPCbXO9dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "So, if a ride manufacturer somewhere were to invent a log flume w/ seat belts and lap bars.... then amusement parks everywhere could save thousands of dollars in payroll annually be eliminating the position of "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy?"" Still probably not. Most designers and regulators have always been shy to put these on because of the possibility of the boat flipping and guests getting pinned between the "log" and the trough. In addition, many feel it would reduce capacity by creating "positions" in the boat (four on most flumes) instead of allowing for open seating. Adam > > > > - > - > > > > > > - > > - > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 06:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59847 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 13:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 13:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 13:39:16 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoKjC-0007rs-Ll for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:39:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4488288C.2010303@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:39:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538ddb0ab8aa2b38049a7371adf366f5f02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGT's Log Flume X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LW3t7EIz9ngP29Jl9jw4osWfAOCkZgh7cFCqwnzA3ynN5vs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash djbosshogg wrote: > > > > ANYWAYS... Be that as it may, I was: amused/shocked/slightly > worried/disappointed/not > entirely surprised (all rolled into one) when I reached the top of the > 2nd lift on BGT's Log > Flume and discovered that the "Log Flume Lift Hill-Booth Guy" was > soundly asleep! (He was a > younger guy, I'd say in his early 20s.) > > > > I thought about screaming "WAKE UP!!!!!!!" at the top of my lungs > just before I took my > plunge, but I decided against it. > > > > I would think that would be a very good way for a person to lose > his/her job in a hurry, > though. > > > > Jon Z > > Funny you mention that. I remember during Holiwood Nights we were all > talking about fellow > coaster-Tool Corey. (Remember him George?) Anyways, i believe he lost > his job at Cedar > Point doing that. haha > > good story > Was he listening to his mp3 player at the time he fell asleep? ;) The reason they have someone, as I understand it, is that since people aren't "secured" in the logs, there is always the potential for someone to try to climb out of the logs- especially right before the drop when they change their mind. That's sadly how one little boy was killed at Great America several years back. Jon, did you report him to anyone? That would certainly be something that I would report, at least to another ride worker. I can understand how that job might be boring, but it's not acceptable to fall asleep. keep on ridin' George (who is finally almost settled into his new, huge house, and starts working for the mouse on Tuesday!) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 06:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12541 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 13:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 13:44:17 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoKnh-0006M2-1U for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <448829A3.3060406@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:44:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538dea3cb9db14b61d31513b1e65a3a06bf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: extremely short TR BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=GKm1QRK-g1Cplsd0kdnCMMiyORVzrLRVf07jG6gU8WI19ik X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > bought a few things at the Montu gift shop then headed over to > meet my pal and his kids at > > Land of the Dragons. > > > > This was one area of BGT I regret not exploring a little closer > when I was there in April. My wife and I do not have any children, > but from what I could see of it as we walked by, LotD looked like a > very nice, large, well-themed play area. Do they have > anything "unique" in terms of playground items for the kiddos? > > the play area really isnt that big. the rope bridges are neat and > all, i think the Seuss IOA area is nicer. but still glad this area > is here, for when the little one is older. Best kids' play area I've seen so far easily is Camp Jurassic at IOA. But for the real little ones Land of the Dragons is very nice. Especially on a hot day as there are several water play areas that are kind of neat in it. > > > Where is the Koi Pond and Butterfly Garden located? Do you mean > the Backyard Wildlife Habitat Area? Are they one and the same, or > do you mean something altogether different? > > that im not sure of. id imagine it is. i didnt notice what the name > of the area was called. george? I'm guessing that you're refering to the part of the Bird Gardens that has the small walk through aviary. Either that or it's the patio/ pond area between the bird theater and the Hospitality House. There is a fairly new "Backyard Wildlife Habitat" area in the Bird Gardens also, but to be honest I haven't walked through it yet. It looks quaint from the main path, but not real interesting to me- especially since I haven't had anything resembling a back yard until 2 weeks ago. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 06:58:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28184 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 13:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 13:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 13:58:47 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoL1w-0004Yb-PY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: <44882D17.7060805@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:58:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538a4ac38521958c52492d4361d09281712350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend, part II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=MVh8gS3Drq_fZrT6nC6Fqr8P9RFaOQtaN8aFBu02ePQb3NI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Now that I'm finally getting caught up, just wanted to say that I'm really enjoying your TR's Nate. Had a couple of comments on this one: Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > By the time we reached Bowling Green, it was around 2:00pm. Still, we > somehow managed to confuse ourselves about what time it actually was > because neither of us had a watch and we weren't certain whether our > cell phones had automatically adjusted for the time change or not. > This was a constant challenge throughout the trip, and I wish I could > just figure out how to turn that feature off on my phone. Easy way to figure it out- at least with my phones. Turn the phone off, then turn it back on again. In the reboot it will reset itself to local time. It doesn't always change as you travel accross time zones, but it will adjust to local time when you turn it on. > I talked Nick into the drop ride, which looked ridiculously tiny. I > believe this is an ARM tower. Nick loved that it was sitting on a > semi trailer. The lift up the tower is extremely slow, but you feel a > lot higher when you're up there. The drop comes suddenly - without > any pause at the top at all - and doesn't stop until a few feet above > the platform below. This thing rocked! It amazes me how something > like this can be more thrilling than Cedar Point's 300' tall towers. > Forget that floaty nonsense, I like this intensity. Sounds a bit like one of the ARM towers. (anyone know if that's right?) If so, then yes, they're pretty intense for a small ride. Pretty fun little things. Cypress Gardens has one that I really like. > > We passed the park's dark ride, which had a rather lengthy line, and > took a ride on the Wild Mouse. The wait for this wasn't short either, > but we met some cool people in line, which made the time go by > quickly. This is the fifth or sixth clone of this ride I've ridden, > and was basically the worst. We came to a *dead* stop on one of the > midcourse brakes, then slowly rolled through the rest of the course > with little to no spinning. Apparently it only stops one car every > once in awhile, so it figures that would happen to ours. Outside of > Kennywood's, I'm not a huge fan of these rides anyway, so I didn't > mind much. I did like the improvement to the restraints that Zamperla > is now using, however. Of the spinning mice I've been on, the Zamperla model is probably the one that I like the least. Just seems to have some bumps and bangs in it that the others don't. But even with that I get a kick out of them anytime I can ride one. Wierd how it would only stop one car occaisionally though. > > Nick: "You know, we're only about 20 miles from Tennessee." > Me: "Really?" > Nick: "Do you want to go to Dollywood?" > Me: "How long do you think that would take?" I'll say this- good choice and well worth the drive. In that huge cross country trip I made a couple of years back Dollywood was easily one of the highlights of the trip. Should be fun to read your review of that one. :) Thanks for the novels! hehe keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 07:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38569 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 14:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 14:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 14:31:25 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoLWQ-0004Hl-5N for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <44883479.2060704@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:30:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc5382d1411ce89d66401336d81ec615a5449350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=j_rx_WsOiWa9IJqTuDZ4_qHlCP-PLqp93ISfoHmE274l61I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > The South is really a scary place. "It's > a Southern Thang – you wouldn't understand." I didn't want to. After having to live 2 years in TX, I can totally understand. I think that's why the one visit I had to Kentucky with you guys a few years back drove me a bit nuts. It's also why I like Florida so much- it's in the South, but it's not Southern, if you know what I mean. :) > The walk up to Thunderhead is ridiculously and unnecessarily long. > The hill is not so steep that the path couldn't just go straight up > there without winding back and forth for a mile. Then, once the ride > finally comes into view, you still have to wind around another corner > before you're actually in the Timber Canyon area. It's not a very > nice path, either. In ten years it might look nicer once the trees > grow back in, but for now it looks very out of place in such a > heavily-wooded park. Yeah, give it a couple of years. I wouldn't have minded the path being a bit straighter myself. I read somewhere that there were some decent reasons for having the path wind so much, but don't remember what they were. I do seem to recall that there are long term plans to also add something else along that winding entry path so that it doesn't seem quite so out of place, but again not sure how accurate that is. > > We only waited about 15 minutes for the back seat. The crew here was > not only efficient, but extremely enthusiastic and friendly. Cedar > Point take note - this is how spieling should be done. They loaded us > quickly, gave the all clear, and we were off. Totally agreed. I think that Thunderhead's crew may be among the best in the business- they could give lessons to everyone else. And especially on the spieling, which annoyed the heck out of me at CP, but that I really liked here. > > I wasn't sure what to expect from Thunderhead. Enthusiasts far and > wide have raved about this thing like a pack of salivating wolves, but > I'd also heard from a few trustworthy people that it's wildly > overrated. My thoughts fall somewhere in the middle. There is no > doubt that this is a really great ride. It's beautiful, it's in a > fantastic location, there are a few places of good airtime, and it's > very smooth. But I really think it's becoming obvious that GCI just > doesn't build the types of rides I like. At night it's much more intense from all accounts I've read. We also only rode it in the morning. I asked a couple of the ops about it, and one of them said that it's a great coaster for the whole family in the morning. It's a intense thrill show at night. At least that's how he put it. It would have been nice to get some night rides to compare, but we were rained out of those on our trip. > The new Topple Tower was unfortunately closed, so we backtracked > through the entrance plaza and into Rivertown & Craftsman's Valley. > WOW! What a gorgeous park this is! I can honestly only think of a > few parks that are prettier, and those are Busch and Disney parks. > This whole area is very heavily wooded, and there are flowers, > waterfalls, and fountains everywhere. I could have walked around for > a long time just noticing all of the details. I figured Dollywood > would be nice, but I was totally blown away. This area of the park > was truly amazing. I take it that you haven't been to Silver Dollar City yet. More of the same. Yes, they are both gorgeous parks. Frankly, I thought they both were prettier than BGW, but then I caught that before anything was growing also. :) > > We stumbled upon Blazing Fury > I don't really recall ever reading any other reviews of this ride, but > I loved it. The dark ride portions were corny and outdated, and the > building kind of looks like it's falling apart, but there are a few > very good, very surprising drops. The water splash was fun too. This > is a really great family attraction, and it would be a shame to see it > go anywhere. RCDB doesn't credit a manufacturer for this ride...was > this done completely in-house? I think it was done in house, but am not sure offhand. Silver Dollar City has an almost identical ride called Fire in the Hole, but Dollywood's was better because it actually splashed water. Silverwood's didn't do that much. Interesting little rides. So do I dare ask- do you count it as a coaster? :P > This is one coaster I have always wanted to ride - not because I > thought it looked particularly good, but because I'm a famous Arrow > hater and people have sworn up and down this thing would change my > mind. I'm happy to report that it didn't. This is indeed a very good > coaster, and I would have happily taken another ride if the line > hadn't been so long. The first drop through the tunnel is > surprisingly long, the huge vertical loop is great, and the entire > thing is very forceful. But it's not the B&M/glass-smooth coaster > that many have claimed it is. The transitions are definitely better, > and the trackwork is smoother, but it still feels like an Arrow. It's > a difficult feeling to describe, but the trains feel very rigid and > they jerk/shake around the turns like every other Arrow coaster. This > ride isn't *rough* like other Arrow coasters, but it didn't change my > mind about the company in general. Sounds like it might be more the trains causing the problems for you here than the coaster itself. Personally I loved the Tornado. I really do think that if Arrow had the opportunity to build more rides like this, as well as all the tech and know-how that B&M have had since the begining, they would be a lot more popular. But I won't start that whole conversation again. hehe > The wait for Daredevil Falls was 45 minutes. It's a very impressive > looking ride, but I wasn't about to wait that long. To bad. It's really a neat ride. Different than any other "flume" type of ride I've been on so far. Looks like Splash Mountain at the Magic Kingdom might be similar because of the boats, but I'll find that out tomorrow hopefully. Happy to know that you enjoyed the Mountain Slidewinder though. I do kidn of wish more parks would put something like those in. I got sidetracked on the way, however, by the smell of > peppers cooking on an open-flame skillet and realized how hungry I > was. Since Nick would sooner die than eat a vegetable, he went off in > search of some pizza while I stood in line for PaPaw's Flatbread > Sandwiches. Somebody should tell the folks at Dollywood that when you > press flour really, really think it's called a "tortilla", not > flatbread, and when you wrap it around peppers, onions, and chicken > it's called a "fajita", not a sandwich. Nevertheless, they were > fantastic. I'm getting hungry just thinking about it: > http://www.dollywood.com/food%2Ddining/detail.aspx?AttractionID=345 One thing with Dollywood- incredibly good food. We loved their dinner buffet they had. And with so much good stuff around, and, for a park, relatively decent prices on the food, it was hard not to gorge at times. > But I suppose the train needs to be "refueled." Well, with the coal fired steam engines, it does take a while to refill them with water if they've been running a bit. At BGT a 15 minute refill time is typical when they're running it, and they do that every couple of hours. Depending on how long it had been since they filled the boiler, it might take longer. > By the time we finished with the train it was around 4:00 and almost > time to go. I wanted to make sure I'd seen the whole park before we > left, though, so we wandered around the Country Fair area. Again, > maybe this will look nice in ten years, but for now it's very wide > open, very loud, and very hot. The theming is minimal, but nice. The > problem is the lack of landscaping and trees, especially in comparison > to the rest of the park. It's very Cedar Fair, which just doesn't fit > in this park, despite the theme. Haven't seen that part of the park yet, since it was still the old Country Fair when we were there. But that had a number of trees and other areas shading it. It looked like a fair, so not as many trees, but it wasn't a concrete jungle by any means. Hopefully they're planning on growing more in there over the next couple of years. Also, what is up with the cages on > the kiddie coaster? I didn't know whether to laugh or scowl. I was > humored and repulsed at the same time. Wha? Anyone have a picture of this? Now you've got me curious. > For the last ride on Thunderhead we sat near the front and had a > slightly better ride than before. As on other GCI rides, though, I > don't really notice a big difference between front and back seat > rides. Afterward we wandered around the new Timber Canyon area for a > few minutes. This area looks really nice, with some great theming and > landscaping. It'll be great once the trees grow in. The new > Lumberjack Lifts looks like a really stupid attraction, as does the > Beaver Creek Boat Float, in which the main attraction is watching > plastic disks float down a small river. But the theming is nice. :-) Ok, fill me in on these- I know what the Lumberjack Lifts are. It's a kiddie drop tower, not really meant for the big folk, and the kids love it! At least they did at Legoland. But what are the Boat Floats? Is that also meant for the little ones, floating a little plastic boat down a river? If so, again it looks dumb, but kids love it. PGA has one, and it was a blast when I was a kid. And my kids didn't want to leave it when I took them. In any case, happy to hear that you finally made it to Dollywood. It's one of my favorite parks I've visited so far, and one that I hope I can manage a return trip to in the next few years. > > All in all, this was a crazy, fantastic weekend. I was surprised by > how few people I knew at Holiday World only to learn later that I just > must have missed running into a lot of people who were there. It was > nice to see those I did see, though - Brian, J, Jeremy, Erin, Beth, > Cameron, Joe, Greg, Danny, and I'm sure I've forgotten some. My time > at Holiday World was such a blur, and it's too bad I didn't have more > time to spend with some of you. Ahh, rub it in that I missed this one. ;) I'm hoping for next year though. Really going to try to work it out. Thanks for the great reports! keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 07:39:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16572 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 14:39:26 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoLen-0006kl-A3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44883680.2050207@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:38:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <008801c68ab2$2579aa20$6501a8c0@IGGY> In-Reply-To: <008801c68ab2$2579aa20$6501a8c0@IGGY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538ff5d36a8120e72cf0cdafb53dc074359350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5Uq5Svb4lfcgYcT2TyDP1-MCuJLHffjRYM7TE53_zGJtVCE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash IGGY & Svetlana wrote: > > > Has anyone tried a folding stool like this for standing in line? > http://www.comfortchannel.com/prod.itml/icOid/1310 > > > Any good? Sounds like something that can be handy when you have to stand in > long lines? Sounds like a neat idea, and could be nice in a line that doesn't move very fast. But I'm not sure what you'd do with it once you got on the ride itself. You couldn't take it on with you because of the size, and not all rides let you leave things in the station. I believe that a few of the parks wouldn't allow you to even take it in line with you because of that. I'd call the parks and ask them. > > My 12 year old son and I are embarking 1st of July on a park hopping tour - > 14 parks - Kansas City>St. Louis> Louisville > Cincinnati> Columbus> Aurora> > Sandusky> Muskogee> Chicago> Mt Olympus> Shakopee > Okalahoma City> Dallas > > San Antonio and finish at Corpus Christi on the beach with my wife and > daughter who'll be in Dallas for her dancing competition. > Ok, I'm lazy. :) I can see the cities, but which parks? The ones that I see offhand and recognize are: World's of Fun Six Flags St. Louis Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom Paramount's King's Island ? ? Cedar Point ? Six Flags Great America Mt. Olympus/ The Dells ? Frontier City Six Flags Over Texas Six Flags Fiesta Texas You're hitting some great parks. Good to get Frontier City this year as who knows if it'll even be open next year. Be aware that at best your Six Flags pass will only get you a discount on admission there, it won't get you in free. If you do a search on the list's website you can turn up several TR's on the parks which will give you a nice idea of what to expect at each of them. That is, if you don't know already. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 07:58:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49319 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 14:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 14:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 14:58:23 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so634497ugc for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.58.11 with SMTP id g11mr489655hua; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0606080755h7e62074bqd7bf3e96e78993dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:55:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44883479.2060704@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44883479.2060704@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=XDTCn0lYlONoW2YMpv-uf6ijvdAxjSIScPgi0TiuaCH01_w X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >>Also, what is up with the cages on >> the kiddie coaster? I didn't know whether to laugh or scowl. I was >> humored and repulsed at the same time. >Wha? Anyone have a picture of this? Now you've got me curious. I believe L&T didn't do thier research on ASTM clearance distances. http://www.rcdb.com/ig2950.htm?picture=7 Adam From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 08:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19181 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 15:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 15:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 15:12:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 15:09:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 15:09:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:09:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448829A3.3060406@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: extremely short TR BGT 6/6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=XWTsWbAbdTobF9dYE_wP_Q5PYtzDrOMHy9Zv4owkdmq4UNmjpS6nSFwMrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > I'm guessing that you're refering to the part of the Bird Gardens=20 that=20 > has the small walk through aviary. Either that or it's the patio/=20 pond=20 > area between the bird theater and the Hospitality House. There is a=20 > fairly new "Backyard Wildlife Habitat" area in the Bird Gardens=20 also,=20 > but to be honest I haven't walked through it yet. It looks quaint=20 from=20 > the main path, but not real interesting to me- especially since I=20 > haven't had anything resembling a back yard until 2 weeks ago. :) yeah that sounds right. i mean i imagine they only have 1 koi pond.=20 either way it was a beautiful little section i hadnt seen before, so=20 glad i found it.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 09:57:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41522 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 16:57:09 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 4so452656nzn for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.240.8 with SMTP id s8mr874205qbr; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:56:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44882D17.7060805@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44882D17.7060805@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend, part II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=6oaDwnitFwDtRbSDcvdVvW7F4ATy2y9XAn0Fyc0ALUCR4ooMGyDMnvE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Now that I'm finally getting caught up, just wanted to say that I'm > really enjoying your TR's Nate. Had a couple of comments on this one: Thanks! I thought maybe nobody was reading them, but it seems all the replies came in today. :) > Easy way to figure it out- at least with my phones. Turn the phone off, > then turn it back on again. In the reboot it will reset itself to local > time. It will do that if the phone is set to automatically update the time and date. But the problem is that I have no idea whether my phone was set up for that or not, and couldn't find an option anywhere for it. Taking the three seconds to change the time/date myself is significantly less trouble than trying to figure out whether the automatic update is on or not. Maybe it's just me. > Sounds a bit like one of the ARM towers. (anyone know if that's right?) > If so, then yes, they're pretty intense for a small ride. Pretty fun > little things. Cypress Gardens has one that I really like. I'm almost positive it is an ARM tower, and my first one. I still think the Intamin towers are the best simply for their height, with the insane Fabbri towers next. But the ARM tower isn't far behind. The S&S Turbo Drops are really the ones that I'm not too thrilled with, though the Space Shot is good. I haven't ridden a Zamperla or Chance tower, but I've heard they're awful. :) > Of the spinning mice I've been on, the Zamperla model is probably the > one that I like the least. Just seems to have some bumps and bangs in > it that the others don't. Surprise! ;-) Actually, in terms of the ride itself, I don't notice any difference between the Zamperla and Reverchon spinning mice. The restraints on the newer Zamperla rides are an improvement, but that's the only real difference I've seen. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 10:26:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79560 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 17:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 17:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 17:26:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 17:25:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 17:25:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 17:25:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:25:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.238.5.14 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=yBi57meXml_vFoA2Rl_OJ4yJhnOasXuJcodvNW0U4R9ct2A X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > The South is really a scary place. I know I could never, ever live > down there. For one thing, it's just too damn hot. But the people > really, truly frighten me. I don't think I've ever seen so many > confederate flags =EF=BF=BD shirts, hats, tattoos, and everything else yo= u > could imagine. I really think 90% of the people at Dollywood were > wearing clothes with either the American flag or the confederate flag. > There seems to be a contradiction here, but maybe that's just me. > One man was wearing a huge confederate flag shirt with the words "It's > a Southern Thang =EF=BF=BD you wouldn't understand." I didn't want to. Yeah. The south is a scary place. Almost living three years in Nashville only made me appreciate the fact that when I saw the city in my rearview mirror I was moving north and east. =20 > The new Topple Tower was unfortunately closed, so we backtracked > through the entrance plaza and into Rivertown & Craftsman's Valley. The ride has been down a decent amount this year. =20 > I've always said that if I ever got to Dollywood, I would not miss out > on the Mountain Sidewinder. It's one of only two rides of its kind in > the country, and it looks totally funky and unique.=20 Glad you caught a ride on this one. I think it is a lot better than its cousin in Branson since it uses the ground so well.=20=20 And, while I used to be an Arrow defender to some degree, the more I find out about the company's approach to technology and design (or lack there-of) I find myself turing to the hater (i.e. Kohlrusch) side of things. Adam From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Thu Jun 08 11:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41129 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.155) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 17:57:55 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k58HqctK022062 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:52:39 GMT To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:52:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c68b24$48bfa300$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaLCYk7fNqNf0o1Q5Swpy3/UUOeOgAGiLfQ In-Reply-To: <44883680.2050207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Vegas Coasters - Free? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=Z-mBOc_z3naLYgFFpOsLW1neenjfqfKXSAICq5c4q8OI X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I checked www.rcdb.com for Vegas Coasters and seems like some major hotel/casinos have one ride each. I wonder if you have to pay for them or they are free with the hotel/casino stay or just free for anyone? IGGY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jun 08 11:07:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4831 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 18:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 18:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 18:06:17 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.37a.4c0463d (15862) for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6448865ccc4; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:00:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:00:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448865CC.4090007@aol.com> References: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=mNgQK2blqOftImwkPBlfgqgFtbJgmigvI0NNQpgdjlJ2kd-iGA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nate Kohlrusch wrote on 6/6/2006, 5:48 PM: > > Hmm... I guess a couple people have a top 10. Anyone keep track of a > > bottom 10? > > I technically do, but only because I keep coasters in an order for > Mitch Hawker's poll. > > Bottom ten wooden coasters would be Zach's Zoomer, Beastie, Raging > Wolf Bobs, Predator, Mean Streak, Pegasus, Grizzly (PGA), Son of > Beast, Thunderbolt (Kennywood), and the Lost Coaster of Superstition > Mountain. > > -Nate Now, that is actually more interesting then the Top Ten. It kindda really shows your likes and dislikes. In comparison (I don't really keep a list) I love LoCoSuMo and enjoy Thunderbolt. I wouldn't put them near the bottom of my list. I guess I should make a list, huh? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Thu Jun 08 11:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32358 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.156) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k58IAlgj009435 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:10:48 GMT To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c68b26$d0e11d70$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaLCYk7fNqNf0o1Q5Swpy3/UUOeOgAGsSIg In-Reply-To: <44883680.2050207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=i2s6Nd9NitOBS_4LLq_6sv6b-mYiJiU6XgKT57Fz-Tcj X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone tried a folding stool like this for standing in line? > http://www.comfortc hannel.com/prod.itml/icOid/1310 > hannel.com/prod.itml/icOid/1310> Sounds like a neat idea, and could be nice in a line that doesn't move very fast. But I'm not sure what you'd do with it once you got on the ride itself. You couldn't take it on with you because of the size, and not all rides let you leave things in the station. I believe that a few of the parks wouldn't allow you to even take it in line with you because of that. I'd call the parks and ask them. Pretty much every ride we've taken allows to leave your stuff on the boarding platform. I always leave my backpack with water bottles, sunscreen, trash bags for water rides, small umbrella for sun, and snacks (etc - see my full prep list posted before) - Six Flags Dallas/San Antonio/Denver/St. Louis/ NJ/Baltimore, Hershey Park, Dorney Park, Paramount Kings Dominion, VA, Busch Gardens VA and also Florida Parks. I have also a belt pouch for cell phone, car keys, credit cards, passes etc. - this one goes with me. My concern is that the folding stools can be a bit bulky to carry around but throwing one over the shoulder would be OK? I think I'll check them out at Target or Wal-Mart or K-Mart first, see how light the are and compact. I see people walking around with rather large back packs I think it will be OK. Maybe my son and I will try just one for starters and alternate if he gets tired - I'll need more rest :o) - I am 36 :o) - seniority you know and I'll be driving all the time, so I'll have the priority :o) IGGY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Thu Jun 08 12:13:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48427 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 19:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 19:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.155) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 19:13:01 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k58JB0tK001390 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:11:00 GMT To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:10:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c68b2f$2e1ec4d0$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaLCYk7fNqNf0o1Q5Swpy3/UUOeOgAJTwLA In-Reply-To: <44883680.2050207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Boarding Stations - NOT allowing to leave stuff? - Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=J4uVOQR70BkRyRlaaKPmfk_Q8hMt3c4iDFrM-miMpzTs X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any coasters out there that do not allow any personal stuff, back packs, etc, left on the boarding station? I think I recall one ride at 6 Flags Dallas that had a separate locker area supervised by someone? Any others? Thanks! Sincerely, IGGY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 08 12:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25647 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 19:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 19:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 19:25:15 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoQ7f-0007Nl-FK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4488798E.3000008@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:25:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000601c68b24$48bfa300$6501a8c0@IGGY> In-Reply-To: <000601c68b24$48bfa300$6501a8c0@IGGY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc53863ce351d5ab9d08c04f8f478a8f36710350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Vegas Coasters - Free? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=rDfSZC5KiiWKDqbSCpKJgg2qOd7CXtTQz3PEGZWNTK5ArJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash IGGY & Svetlana wrote: > > > I checked www.rcdb.com > for > Vegas Coasters and seems > like some major hotel/casinos have one ride each. I wonder if you have to > pay for them or they are free with the hotel/casino stay or just free for > anyone? > They're certainly not free! In fact, you'll find that they're some of the most expensive out there on a per ride basis. While you can sometimes find discounts, don't be shocked when you see them charging $6-15 per ride, depending on the ride that you're looking at. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Jun 08 13:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80845 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 20:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 20:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 20:04:21 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k58K41Q1006411 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.209.15.234 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25179.66.209.15.234.1149797041.squirrel@66.209.15.234> In-Reply-To: <002d01c68b2f$2e1ec4d0$6501a8c0@IGGY> References: <44883680.2050207@earthlink.net> <002d01c68b2f$2e1ec4d0$6501a8c0@IGGY> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:04:01 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Boarding Stations - NOT allowing to leave stuff? - Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=IfTcbN4TZ4uDUzmb1HvCsfGWMISX768lX6kmBztSyvG6zZI X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Are there any coasters out there that do not allow any personal stuff, > back > packs, etc, left on the boarding station? There's a bunch of them. Most rides with separate load/unload stations, for example Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point, just for starters. There's typically an attendant posted at the queue entrance watching for stuff that's "too big", who will tell you to leave them with a nonrider or direct you to the nearest lockers. -- -Greg From rablat5@juno.com Thu Jun 08 13:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70252 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 20:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 20:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from webmail63.nyc.untd.com (webmail63.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.203]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCJTB3SAT3X9NA for (sender ); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail63.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LSDB2XZV; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:22:53 PDT Received: from [144.51.73.129] by webmail63.nyc.untd.com 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10.141.27.203|webmail63.nyc.untd.com|webmail63.nyc.untd.com|rablat5@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "rablat5@juno.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Boarding Stations - NOT allowing to leave stuf f? - Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=dJM2c8RZsDDJEOcPcHbxWykIZ53mFcjodvyZurQdxXpOXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Kingda Ka at SFGAdv is like this, too. -Ben -- "IGGY & Svetlana" wrote: Are there any coasters out there that do not allow any personal stuff, back packs, etc, left on the boarding station? I think I recall one ride at 6 Flags Dallas that had a separate locker area supervised by someone? Any others? Thanks! Sincerely, IGGY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jun 08 13:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70092 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 20:59:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 20:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 20:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 20:57:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:57:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=13tL6i14DtS6LTgsSiLagCeb_M0YRz9SB4KK_m9XiMux5eSwWA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > they're all like fake-perky dumb blonds at TGI Friday's! You say that like it's a Bad Thing. Jon Z (also not riding due to heriated disk) The First From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jun 08 14:16:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33244 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 21:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 21:09:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2006 21:09:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:09:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44883479.2060704@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: [OT] The South, was REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=nTCovVNmU3uvty2Rr9s9eZ-rclT3voLj1qJmg-Jy1KKm5LfFXyAA X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani First off, thanks for your detailed TR, Nate. There's a good chance=20 next month I'll be able to visit Holiday World and maybe Beech Bend=20 or Indiana Beach. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > It's also why I like Florida so much- it's in=20 > the South, but it's not Southern, if you know what I mean. :) It depends on what part of Florida you're talking about. Miami?=20 Definitely not Southern. But I have family in Pensacola. That's=20 Southern.=20 People in southeastern Louisiana also tend to consider themselves=20 distinct from Southerners. I spent two weeks (don't ask) working for=20 an oil-drilling company in Lafayette and there was a pretty=20 interesting mix of folks working there, from Cajuns to a guy with a=20 New Orleans "Yat" accent to a guy from the part of Virginia where=20 they say "aboot" like Canadians. My sister lived in New Orleans for seven years, and I have to say=20 that was a pretty amazing place to visit and hang out (let's pray=20 the city comes back reasonably intact again), but there's no way I=20 could deal with living in a swamp. As for the rest of the South,=20 it's nice to visit, but let's just say I'm far too much of a city=20 boy and I just can't stand the heat and humidity. My favorite=20 weather in the country (besides Hawaii) is the cool and cloudy=20 Northwest. I do like boiled peanuts, though. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Thu Jun 08 14:49:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8883 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 21:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 21:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net) (66.174.85.156) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 21:49:26 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.85.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k58Llkgj023915 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:47:46 GMT To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c68b45$2e7658b0$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaLNr9DUD9I0b3mTcaQvjDhxBzyfAADfF8w In-reply-to: <25179.66.209.15.234.1149797041.squirrel@66.209.15.234> X-Originating-IP: 66.174.85.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Boarding Stations - NOT allowing to leave stuff? - Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=1UmaF3lltweRhbs3Z9MqaaZpmW6KjFc4Oc7UcvbDkAgZ X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Legowski > Are there any coasters out there that do not allow any personal stuff, > back packs, etc, left on the boarding station? There's a bunch of them. Most rides with separate load/unload stations, for example Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point, just for starters. There's typically an attendant posted at the queue entrance watching for stuff that's "too big", who will tell you to leave them with a nonrider or direct you to the nearest lockers. Nice to know, we have not been to Cedar Point yet. Can you leave the back pack in the stroller area by the rides? You always seem to see lots of them in that area in larger parks? I can see the logistical nightmare for us with leaving backpack in the lockers and then going back to it for trash bags for water rides or water bottles. Can you wear belt pouches on those rides? Sincerely, IGGY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 08 14:54:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34413 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 21:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 21:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.203) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 21:53:08 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o37so493705nzf for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.137.16 with SMTP id p16mr2413230qbn; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:52:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sdHYr9pXbEa-LYMGZiKWm3zeNk0lDCTh33zwOkAf41Aj6OZlz8F_e6A X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Lots of posts to reply to! From Cameron... > > The South is really a scary place. > They're also slow! At Busch Gardens VA in 2004 it took me 20 minutes to > just get a smoothie. When I grumbled to my friend about it (who lived in > VA for many years), they justshrugged and said "well, you're in the > south!". Oh, I know it. My mom once told me she thought that was because people in the south developed a tradition of not working hard because they were used to having slaves, but I'm not sure that's true. It's probably just the heat, but it is hard to misinterpret the slowness as just plain dumbness. Thankfully, we didn't have any major problems with that this time. It's interesting you mentioned Virginia. One of my friends just moved back here from Virginia, and he said they did not consider themselves a part of the south. However, they also frequently referred to him as a yankee. To quote, "They didn't seem to understand that me being a yankee made them the south." Go figure. > I was totally blown away by the staff at Dollywood .. Hadn't seen anything > like it at even Holiday World and certainly not Cedar Point. Agreed. I don't think even Disney comes close to the amount of guest interaction and spieling they do. I personally loved with the Tennessee Tornado broke down and the ride attendant mock yelled at guests for "dragging their feet and causing it to stop," then blamed her fellow ride-op for breaking the ride. A mixture of this guest interaction and Disney's speed would truly be the best possible combination. [Tornado] > AAwww! I actually really liked it, and thought it was a good mix of B&M > smoothness along with "still feels like a roller-coaster". Oh, I still really liked it and I think it's a vast improvement over their other rides. It just didn't totally change my mind about Arrow rides, and it definitely wasn't "B&M smooth" as others have claimed. But it's a really fun ride, and it's too bad we didn't have time for a re-ride. > Isn't the Doolywood food utterly amazing? Yeah, I wish we would have passed on the Shoney's buffet and just eaten at the park. The fajita (excuse me, "flatbreat sandwich") was really the only thing I ate, but it was fantastic. We *did* have rootbeer floats, though, with their homemade ice cream, which I think I forgot to mention. Also excellent. > Did I mention yet again how much I hate that town?! Ok ..! Totally agreed, and you know I'm used to driving in the Dells! This was much, much worse. > > We stopped at the original KFC location on the way home, located in > > Nowhere, Kentucky. > hah .. I did the same thing!! I don't even like KFC, but I couldn't really > pass that up. Haha...I'm glad I'm not the only one who was intruiged about it. There really wasn't much there to see, but I was happy to enjoy my first "Famous Bowl" there. My friend calls them "fat buckets," but the woman behind the counter was NOT amused by this term. From George... > I think that's why the one visit I had to Kentucky with you guys a few years > back drove me a bit nuts. It's also why I like Florida so much- it's in > the South, but it's not Southern, if you know what I mean. :) Well, I don't remember you being too crazy on THAT trip... ;-) But I do know what you mean about Florida. It has a very different feel from the rest of the "deep south." The only part of the Southwest I've been to is Houston, so it's hard to judge from that...but I think Texas would be just as scary, if not moreso. [Thunderhead] > At night it's much more intense from all accounts I've read. That's what I've heard also. Unfortunately, we were out of the park by 5 so it's hard to know for certain. I imagine I'll get back there at least once more in my life. :) > I take it that you haven't been to Silver Dollar City yet. Nope, but I see that it's only about nine hours from here. Talk about tempting! Maybe now that Nick is a blossoming tool I can drag him along sometime this summer... :) > > We stumbled upon Blazing Fury > I think it was done in house, but am not sure offhand. Yeah, that's my guess. > So do I dare ask- do you count it as a coaster? :P Absolutely. Without the drops I probably wouldn't, but this thing has three very sizeable hills. Who wouldn't count it? > Sounds like it might be more the trains causing the problems for you > here than the coaster itself. Personally I loved the Tornado. That's my thought as well. It doesn't seem like the ride flexes around the turns and such like B&M rides do. Instead, it's like you're riding in a box. > > The wait for Daredevil Falls was 45 minutes. It's a very impressive > > looking ride, but I wasn't about to wait that long. > To bad. It's really a neat ride. Does it do anything interesting other than go up and come back down again? I know it does at least a small amount of winding around before the lift, but is there any cool theming? > Haven't seen that part of the park yet, since it was still the old > Country Fair when we were there. What was there before? It's interesting how Dollywood's focus really seems to be changing. They've nearly doubled their ride count in just a couple of years. > Ok, fill me in on these- I know what the Lumberjack Lifts are. It's a > kiddie drop tower, not really meant for the big folk, and the kids love > it! Kids have to hoist themselves to the top of the tower with a rope, and then they slowly fall to the ground. I'll have to take your word for it when you say that kids love it. It looked dumb to me. > But what are the Boat Floats? Is > that also meant for the little ones, floating a little plastic boat down > a river? If so, again it looks dumb, but kids love it. Yeah, I think that's basically it: http://www.dollywood.com/rides-attractions/ride-detail.aspx?AttractionID=602 Maybe I just don't get the point, but I don't have (nor want) kids either. And from Adam... > I believe L&T didn't do thier research on ASTM clearance distances. Seriously? That seems like a stupid mistake. I think it's interesting that Dollywood opted to throw on the cages whereas Casino Pier just let it operate in violation of those standards. > And, while I used to be an Arrow defender to some degree, the more I > find out about the company's approach to technology and design (or > lack there-of) I find myself turing to the hater (i.e. Kohlrusch) side > of things. Yay! Another convert. ;-) So do you know whether or not the Tornado is capable of running more than one train? I'm still curious... -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 08 18:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9987 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.64) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 01:20:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7943 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 01:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060609012025.7940.qmail@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.5.79] by web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:20:25 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:20:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Arrow in retrospect (was Wooden Coaster Weekend) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=E13nMBGauVcmR3uc6CUzzuUO33_CIX8FQMgG3DfR2WjFVwgHvb61 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And, while I used to be an Arrow defender to some degree, the more I find out about the company's approach to technology and design (or lack there-of) I find myself turing to the hater (i.e. Kohlrusch) side of things. < I have mixed feelings about Arrow. Some of their achievements were remarkable. I mean, just to get that giant air hockey table working for Disney (the Flying Saucers) was an amazing engineering feat. The Matterhorn, of course, was (and still is) great. And they broke new ground working with water flow on their flumes. And their last great achievement was the corkscrew coaster. But notice that all this was the "old" Arrow, with Bacon and Morgan. When Ron Toomer took over, the company dominated the steel coaster industry. It was basically Arrow and Schwartzkopf, and even Anton didn't have much dominance in this country. But I'm not sure what went wrong at that point. Bacon and Morgan were hands-on guys, resourceful engineers who could quickly troubleshoot problems. Toomer at times seemed to have a complete lack of common sense. His biggest gaffe was probably when he put upstop plates on Magnum instead of upstop wheels. I mean, that coaster was made for airtime. How the heck could he have though plates were a good idea? And bending little pieces of wire might be good for inspiration, but turning them into coasters without serious modifications isn't really a good idea. There's an aesthetic to coasters; most of us enthusiasts know a good ride just by looking at it. But every time I see Anaconda or Great American Scream Machine, I think of pain. It's well-known that Toomer thought coaster enthusiasts liked a little pain now and then. And it's also well-known that Toomer hated riding coasters. I think those two traits of Toomer explain his designs. Even if Arrow could design good transitions (and I really think they couldn't; their design philosophy seemed to be to insert curves between pieces of straight track), Toomer had no interest in doing so. Since he never rode his creations, he couldn't learn from his mistakes. And the view that "pain is good" blocked any impetus for improving his designs. Now that the company has merged with S&S and Toomer's no longer at the helm, perhaps things will change. The transitions on X and the new Fuji-Q coaster are vastly improved. We'll have to wait and see if Fuji-Q will have solved X's significant problems. If it has, perhaps Arrow will be back on track as a creative force in the amusement world. It's interesting that Arrow really started by building a carousel and then a jet ride (Dumbo), and sort of fell into the coaster business by accident. Perhaps they need to return to the example set by their founders, two clever men who simply wanted to work and would eagerly take on any challenge set before them. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 08 18:22:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39265 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 01:22:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 90652 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 01:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060609012214.90650.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.5.79] by web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:22:14 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:22:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=d8Y_NO5CCmWglmM6ghOLZbL-t28h5MMu0AKdDhbF8Ow0dvTD_IKa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Perhaps we should be thinking about something with a wider than normal trains from what we've seen from Intamin before that would require a bigger support like this. < Hmmm...is this a hint, Lance? Could this possibly be a jumbo version of Intamin's new 4-D coaster? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 08 20:03:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95640 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 03:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 03:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 03:03:00 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5932OCk011594 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <048601c68b71$2350eff0$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: [OT] The South, was REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=DeL7fq9mG80lpXElYruf8HdSCFhIhkPidmnc9ed6RKOxi7bOCI5uCITGfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> It's also why I like Florida so much- it's in >> the South, but it's not Southern, if you know what I mean. :) > >It depends on what part of Florida you're talking about. Miami? >Definitely not Southern. But I have family in Pensacola. That's >Southern. From my 5.5 years spent in Florida, my observation was that the further south in Florida you go, the more taken over by the latin community it was, and thus it was not very "southern" or "redneck". The coastal communities didn't seem very southern or redneck either, but kind of their own thing, but other than Orlando, it seemed that the more inland you got, the more southern/redneck the area became. Though I don't know if I've experienced the "slow" version of The South just yet. Where is this exactly? Atlanta perhaps... but since I've moved to the Charlotte area of North Carolina, which just seems very "southern" in nature, I haven't experienced anything really negative yet. Maybe it's the fast paced NASCAR culture here in Charlotte... ;-) From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 08 20:03:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77158 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 03:03:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5933pid007499 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <049101c68b71$57419940$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060609012214.90650.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:03:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: CP speculation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=npYHpkjXV_nS4Jkit5qjKC00wgaFraSii4bXJ20SqBh_JsqZhJ7kBrW3yA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Perhaps we should be thinking about something with a wider than normal > trains from what we've seen from Intamin before that would require a > bigger > support like this. < > > Hmmm...is this a hint, Lance? Could this possibly be a jumbo version of > Intamin's new 4-D coaster? Honestly, I don't know anything other than the rumors I've posted to Screamscape.com so far, but after posting a new story about a coaster with a very 4D looking train from Intamin going into Port Aventura (Spain) in 2007, I've got to wonder if Cedar Point isn't getting the same kind of ride. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 03:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16616 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 10:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 10:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 10:55:56 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1261865uge for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr831977hua; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.17 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 03:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0606090355u670c5ee5r698cac85c1531fa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:55:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=cwrOQHuoKwn8FrhIGWtJod75jk9UhM-sXWdELfX3KL2L7jY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So do you know whether or not the Tornado is capable of running more than one train? I'm still curious... I have seen it run two, but they do have a hard time making interval. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 07:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86805 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 14:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 14:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 14:44:19 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o37so650312nzf for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.10 with SMTP id h10mr3046486qbm; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:44:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0606090355u670c5ee5r698cac85c1531fa1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <61789.195.172.171.3.1149759954.squirrel@195.172.171.3> <165816ef0606090355u670c5ee5r698cac85c1531fa1@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Wooden Coaster Weekend, Part III X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gDiD_IU67BMC2weRUsfk8--f3gWZrH_fN4CFfgR-kMvwFvpd0W2dVZc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I have seen it run two, but they do have a hard time making interval. Okay, thanks. I don't think the crew I saw working the ride would have had any trouble making interval, but it is a short ride. The braking must change significantly with two trains on the track...I can't imagine that's comfortable. -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 14:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57399 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 21:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 21:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 21:24:04 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so1607681uge for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.16 with SMTP id s16mr144928huc; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30606091424u51727848v40b9eeab70df97ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:24:04 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001201c68407$bccbfb00$6501a8c0@MyDomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001201c68407$bccbfb00$6501a8c0@MyDomain> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=SwnxDLkukbkOkqOUujPnreNGZyQBP7SKR9YRJrkpzIgT4xD- X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 5/30/06, Jon Zerkel wrote: I was hoping that maybe someone from our list would post some thoughts from the Holiwood Nights ERT event from the weekend. We did have a few of you who were there, didn't we? I'm still catching up... (I've almost finished reading everything here...) and I'll post something about it all a little later... better late then never though, right? HWN was the crazy part, but we didn't put most of the 3,000 miles on my car until after that ;) Beth From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jun 09 14:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71780 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 21:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 21:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 21:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 21:39:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:39:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30606091424u51727848v40b9eeab70df97ec@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=FXHTx5gBG5XcPXYdN2sgxrxrIp_Kvaga4O6AvOAj4kr1gC4LKg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" w= rote: > > On 5/30/06, Jon Zerkel wrote: > I was hoping that maybe someone from our list would post some > thoughts from the Holiwood Nights ERT event from the weekend. We did > have a few of you who were there, didn't we? >=20 > I'm still catching up... (I've almost finished reading everything > here...) and I'll post something about it all a little later... better > late then never though, right? HWN was the crazy part, but we didn't > put most of the 3,000 miles on my car until after that ;) >=20 > Beth > i thought you were still on your grand-adventure.... tool! haha jk jeremy d. who's NEVER done a multiple park trip ever.... From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 14:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72884 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 21:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 21:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 21:52:29 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so771194wri for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.241.9 with SMTP id t9mr3431992qbr; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30606091424u51727848v40b9eeab70df97ec@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5DXeiQ9fL4Sqrgb344mjbEnzyHEAT9uQzR4ToJQQBDUk0hQ6MIVhRZo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > jeremy d. > who's NEVER done a multiple park trip ever.... Never. Not even that one time we visited six major parks in three days. ;-) -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 15:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22831 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 22:36:08 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1576487ugc for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr977956hus; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30606091535n2d02617ald26fb4f5c2658a46@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:35:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30606091424u51727848v40b9eeab70df97ec@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Holiday World on the Memorial Day holiday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=pq6S9gTYzzBIUho5gCIuUIRCfA9CwRcE3ng4Y7UT7_5EMuHm X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 6/9/06, djbosshogg wrote: > > i thought you were still on your grand-adventure.... tool! haha jk > > jeremy d. > who's NEVER done a multiple park trip ever.... > :P I've been home since Monday night, it's just taken me the better part of the week to feel like I'm home. This one just looked big on paper, the trip itself wasn't that bad even though we covered something like 9 parks and 9 states in 11 days. From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jun 09 15:43:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78093 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 22:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 22:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 22:43:38 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so1124765ugc for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.16 with SMTP id 16mr979552huw; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30606091543r7932b026u6662ef66bf17928a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:43:36 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=ZgSvIW5wE5gKR16yK3rYyao7z83vup-FEPisve8r4vf-M0hH X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 5/30/06, george burnash wrote: > Not meant personally, but I just don't get comments like this. "Meh"? > What is ehh about 2 vertical drops, one of which is 200 feet tall? > Short? How quickly people forget that this is the only one of these > that has more than a turnaround after the first drop. Are we really > that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster anymore? Spoiled is not the right word, George... JADED...we've all become JADED. Especially me. I "meh" a lot more than I probably should... but I haven't ridden Sheikra yet, so I can't "meh" it yet ;) you're friendly coaster snob, Beth :) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jun 09 16:37:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93427 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 23:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2006 23:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 23:37:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 23:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 23:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2006 23:37:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:37:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.170.72.198 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Speaking of meh... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=973-Vs64tazWz-xd-YBByFHwOdkbRXjaA3uQ3RMSeviZmcMnVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I went to Legoland Windsor today.=20 Only 67 more coasters until this trip is done.=20 We have some 17 or so hours of ERT.=20 Hold me to my promises of TR'S!=20 Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jun 10 06:11:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94459 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 13:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2006 13:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2006 13:11:05 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fp3Eh-0008AO-Vo for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC4DE.8010808@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:10:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <447C9472.4080800@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30606091543r7932b026u6662ef66bf17928a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30606091543r7932b026u6662ef66bf17928a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc53894e56b74cb029db6c7931cb2fa78252f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=T0JJZArcBR2AmCNxce5lkKYJP1wDW6LgACrdtUMj3MxWI7s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > > Are we really > > that spoiled when it comes to what we expect out of a coaster anymore? > > Spoiled is not the right word, George... JADED...we've all become > JADED. Especially me. I "meh" a lot more than I probably should... but > I haven't ridden Sheikra yet, so I can't "meh" it yet ;) > Yeah, I think I started to really realize that yesterday. The whole family went to the Magic Kingdom yesterday for the first time, and we had a great time. Actually managed to do almost everything, only leaving about 5 minor rides for a future visit, and really had fun. But I realized that, while it was special, I didn't notice the "magical feeling" or special thrill I used to get when I visited an incredible new park for the first time- and one that Disney parks used to give every time I visit. And I know that it wasn't the park's fault just from watching the CM's working. Kind of sad. Almost makes me wonder if I've done to many parks in the last few years when something like this isn't as special as it should be. Or maybe it's from working in a park and getting ready to work at Disney. Kind of makes me wonder if I can find that "kid-like wonder" again. Almost feel like I'm going to have to work at it. keep on ridin' George (who'll try to post up some sort of TR or notes later on) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 16:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50785 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2006 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2006 22:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2006 22:41:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2006 22:41:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2006 22:41:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:41:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC4DE.8010808@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.147.141 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=tiOKcLX2q0gO_UKWpTNPN4VptB5XTXoBF1jnYfCd-7Yh9EG5AnIg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > Or maybe it's from working in a park and getting ready to work at=20 > Disney.=20=20 Now you're slipping things in slyly... so what's the Disney job? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jun 10 17:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31769 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 00:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2006 00:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 00:21:51 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FpDhu-00011I-Aj for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <448B621B.8020603@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:21:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4788909999d4bafc538d0907bcd7e006a2a139f6e9ec3e3286b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=WmoccKpABI3P2KUkL5WbOkeZWNc-zVsEAjxgnfYZgusXVg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , george burnash > wrote: > > Or maybe it's from working in a park and getting ready to work at > > Disney. > > Now you're slipping things in slyly... so what's the Disney job? > Nothing big, just a part time job in the parks as one of those photographers that take your picture around the park or with the characters. Pays a good bit better than most of the other entry positions though. I have my orientation class on Tuesday, and then will do the real training after that. Looking forward to it. It'll be different than most other park jobs, and as I understand it I'll get to rotate around within and among the parks more than most. Plus I'll get to use some nice photo equipment as part of it. Also means I'll be subject to Disney's NDA's and scrutiny, so I'll probably be a lot more mum about anything Disney in the future. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:24:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93532 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 18:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2006 18:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 18:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 18:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2006 18:20:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:20:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC4DE.8010808@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.21.215 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=HFqKuyzmE1Zrp0FCgY4Ltm7YD27yh3zQ-UE2DL6CUEPKrUzJoHqiNZZkMg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Yeah, I think I started to really realize that yesterday. The=20 whole=20 > family went to the Magic Kingdom yesterday for the first time, and=20 we=20 > had a great time. Actually managed to do almost everything, only=20 > leaving about 5 minor rides for a future visit, and really had=20 fun. But=20 > I realized that, while it was special, I didn't notice=20 the "magical=20 > feeling" or special thrill I used to get when I visited an=20 incredible=20 > new park for the first time- and one that Disney parks used to=20 give=20 > every time I visit. And I know that it wasn't the park's fault=20 just=20 > from watching the CM's working. >=20 > Kind of sad. Almost makes me wonder if I've done to many parks in=20 the=20 > last few years when something like this isn't as special as it=20 should=20 > be. Or maybe it's from working in a park and getting ready to=20 work at=20 > Disney. Kind of makes me wonder if I can find that "kid-like=20 wonder"=20 > again. Almost feel like I'm going to have to work at it. see i kinda feel the opposite now that im near BGT. i love that now=20 i live near one of the most beautiful parks in the country, and i=20 feel blessed because of that.=20 i mean, the whole time i was at the park last week(the super short=20 TR i posted, not the longer one from prior) i just sat most of the=20 time in the Land of the Dragons and just watched the world go by and=20 watched Sheikra plummet trains. i didnt ride a freakin thing, and=20 that was fine by me. i know i live here now and have passes and have=20 time. same reason i liked going to Canobie-despite the lack of=20 rides, it was still fun to just go and walk around.=20 while i still might find a ride a sheikra "meh", it doesnt mean that=20 i didnt enjoy it or that i wont ride it again. heck, ive ridden=20 things multiple time that i had a lot harsher feelings for=20 than "meh". why? because when you put a coaster up against most of=20 what any of us do in a given day, even the most painful coaster is=20 still pretty exciting. id still rather spend a day in the hot sun to=20 ride a vekoma boomerang than wash dishes, clean house or do laundry.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 11 14:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65832 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 21:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2006 21:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 21:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 64938 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2006 21:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060611212323.64936.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.2.56] by web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:23:23 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bPAiC70kv5r2W0v6vT4pVj12qVcuSbmTzv-fKRxmOeWsJqCQHNDW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Almost makes me wonder if I've done to many parks in the last few years when something like this isn't as special as it should be. < I started to wonder that a few years ago. (And I've been to far fewer parks than most of you.) After having worked for three different park operations, I had similar thoughts to you, George. But then I go to a place like Knoebel's or BGW or Kennywood, and that sense of childlike wonder in me is sparked again. I don't think I'm getting jaded. I think what's happened is that I've begun to know what I like in a park, and I get excited when I find a park that can deliver it in spades. Other parks aren't really a disappointment (unless my experience there completely sucks), but I simply have more refined preferences now. I don't see anything wrong with that. When I was a little kid, I was just thrilled to be taken *anywhere.* So when my dad would haul me over to the nearest slapped-together carnival I'd be thrilled. I remember how gleeful I was to walk up the street to our church's annual bazaar -- and all they had was a dunking booth and some roulette games. Now that I'm older, I have more of a "been there/done that" mentality. I'm more interested in experiencing something new. But at the same time, I still enjoy the nostalgic feeling certain vintage parks can give me. So even though I may not write enthusiastic reviews of every park I visit, I do enjoy simply being at a park. Good luck at Disney. Do you have any regrets about leaving BGT? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 11 18:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73644 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 01:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 01:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 01:25:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2006 01:24:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:24:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.227 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Parks from the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=TBrYaTPgCNR4bjKrvp46rBW3vw6p7WlO-7GgDX3udEDDa4zGYx3_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Another one of my little projects has been to collect arials views of amusement parks all over the world. I'm fascinated by the different layouts, and how much park is usually crammed into such a small space. I've finally begun posting the images I've assembled. You can find them at > http://www.karenandjay.com/coasters.html < Click on the "parks from the air" link. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jun 12 06:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59114 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 13:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 13:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 13:39:17 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fpmd3-0006xs-5W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <448D6E7C.8040007@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:39:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060611212323.64936.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060611212323.64936.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478268772c7f119d22b5bbf1b47bf744b317d2b90b9811d7098350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] enjoying a park's "magic" (was TR BGT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Bwjq8cMgBc6QrqR1j0ZkFAAGTSDjlwbYAsMD8qXYw6k7r3o X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > Now that I'm older, I have more of a "been there/done that" mentality. > I'm more interested in experiencing something new. But at the same time, > I still enjoy the nostalgic feeling certain vintage parks can give me. > So even though I may not write enthusiastic reviews of every park I > visit, I do enjoy simply being at a park. Thanks for the reassurances Jay. I still enjoy pretty much every park I go to (it's got to be really bad for me not to). It was just noticing that the "magical tingle" I guess you could call it seemed to be gone, or at least much less noticeable than it had been in the past. Happy to know I'm not the only one that's had that, and that there are places that will bring that back. It'll certainly be interesting to see how I feel about being in a Disney park after being behind the scenes of it. Though most of my newer friends in the area still are plenty excited about the parks, and that includes some of the "more experienced" workers who have been around them for quite a while. > > Good luck at Disney. Do you have any regrets about leaving BGT? > Yes and no. I really enjoyed the job, and was really kind of irritated how I had to quit it over a new policy that they put in place. They were now requiring all workers to work at least 96 hours every 3 months. When you're doing that on top of already working a full time job, it meant that I would have had to work 8-10 hours every single Saturday to keep from being let go. When Saturday is my only real day to spend with family since we're busy with church on Sundays, it just wasn't a sacrifice that I was willing to make. A couple of Saturdays a month was fine, but every single one? Sorry. But it was a lot of fun working. I had a blast driving Rhino Rally and interacting with the guests. And really liked the people I worked with. So that I miss. But I left on good terms and could go back if I wanted to. It would just be a bit of a long drive now from the new home. Not to mention I'm getting a good bit more money at Disney. :) Just beware of me sticking a camera in your face now. hehe keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Mon Jun 12 07:40:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87233 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 14:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 14:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.91) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 14:40:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 82008 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060612143824.82006.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.232.237] by web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:38:24 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:38:24 -0700 (PDT) To: themouseforless@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: OT: VERY IMPORTANT --DO NOT OPEN MESSAGE "New Graphic Site" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=wjM0PWE2SG72hVjCJv-fnSNxKDeGwo8G23MKGaPcQnX72QX-86doog X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! This is very important to everyone NOT TO OPEN this message in you= r inbox/website messages with the subject 'NEW GRAPHIC SITE'!!! Because I = did that with another group I was with (left right afterwards when the owne= r didn't know what I'm talking about at first) and it messed up the system = when I tried to post messages to other groups or to friends. Please pass t= his to everyone you know and other yahoo groups (maybe ask moderators first= ). =20=20=20 Anyone have any questions or advice on how to fix this in case this happe= ns to me again please contact me OFFLIST!=20=20 =20=20=20 Have a great week everyone! Ann Marie =20=20=20=20 =BAo=BAAnn Fowler aka Disneyfreak AIM, MySpace and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak =20=20=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 07:47:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91746 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 14:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 14:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 14:47:19 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so2055647ugf for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr462hue; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30606120724r70ffe137i263db86d005efb2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:24:19 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060611212323.64936.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060611212323.64936.qmail@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=pFdvsLwqJm3rX8lQzFEFzqL5zK1Kkk5G2bLAb-VuuEzcVkV5 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 6/11/06, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > But then I go to a place like Knoebel's or BGW or Kennywood, and that sense of childlike wonder in me is sparked again. I don't think I'm getting jaded. I think what's happened is that I've begun to know what I like in a park, and I get excited when I find a park that can deliver it in spades. Other parks aren't really a disappointment (unless my experience there completely sucks), but I simply have more refined preferences now. I don't see anything wrong with that. I like that description better than jaded... refined preferences... So does that make us amusement park and coaster connoisseurs? I think the definition fits... "one who enjoys with discrimination and appreciation of subtleties." From homersycho@yahoo.com Mon Jun 12 11:42:03 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From kd608@yahoo.com Mon Jun 12 12:14:40 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jun 12 12:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32131 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2006 19:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2006 19:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2006 19:36:55 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fps7q-0007Qh-DO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: <448DC106.8020405@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:31:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060612143824.82006.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060612143824.82006.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478268772c7f119d22be7de83b76699f4551761f7e276a0fbf2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: VERY IMPORTANT --DO NOT OPEN MESSAGE "New Graphic Site" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=zcxIzXLblL05YWijnk52Ny-kwsEwC-yF1jXKcv2DGFqaT7g X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash ºoºAnn Marie Fowler wrote: > > > Hi all! This is very important to everyone NOT TO OPEN this message in > your inbox/website messages with the subject 'NEW GRAPHIC SITE'!!! > Because I did that with another group I was with (left right afterwards > when the owner didn't know what I'm talking about at first) and it > messed up the system when I tried to post messages to other groups or to > friends. Please pass this to everyone you know and other yahoo groups > (maybe ask moderators first). > > Anyone have any questions or advice on how to fix this in case this > happens to me again please contact me OFFLIST! Thanks for the heads up Ann Marie. As some of you have seen, we've had a couple of the messages attempt to crop up on the list. If you're getting the digest, you probably won't see them as I deleted them. However, if you accidentally clicked on the message from RCT (and only RCT), you should be ok. This is exactly why we have the list set to not allow any attachements of any sort. It would be far to easy for a virus to spread through the list this way. So in that regards at least, you should feel safe. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jun 12 19:33:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50933 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 02:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15206 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 22:05:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060612220517.15204.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.248.29] by web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:05:16 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: enjoying a park's "magic" (was TR BGT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=a4ItdO527B-AuhnqeJj9dq6SdNVAnQYrS94rjktcx_QBbnzGM1Hr X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > They were now requiring all workers to work at least 96 hours every 3 months. < That seems really odd, what with so many other parks cutting back on employee hours. What was their rationale? Testing workers' loyalty? It seems like they'd be glad to have anyone reliable who was willling to work. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jun 12 20:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35537 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 03:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 03:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 03:22:09 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.2d5.8cda9b2 (58550) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d5.8cda9b2.31bf883e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:17:18 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5314 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Two hour trip to SFGAv 6/11/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=IXeC3j_RfzJMR96hu6crIpSSmFXwc7EfZnZA-Y1E7NBaUQTfgGr9 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People: Dainan (me) Anthony Savannah Mom We got to the park around 6 PM and got our VIG pass. We went straight to El Toro. Anthony and I got the last car, first row. Mom and Savannah got second to last car, last row! We left the station with much anticipation! It was very bizarre getting to the lift. it was very slow and when you hit the lift it made a really weird noise and than we were pulled up the lift, very fast. The next thing I knew we were at the top. We made the turn and then! The most insane moment on any coaster! OH MY GOD! The drop was a huge surprise! I don't care how much they staple you in. I was close to standing on this drop! It was amazing. The head choppers were very cool. The second hill was just like S:ROS at SFNE. Then the third, more great airtime. The turn was very sudden and very smooth. The little hills were great. Than came the hill over Rolling Thunders drop! This was the most insane moment of airtime I've ever had on a roller coaster. The double S turns were absolutely inane, smooth and fast! The rest of the ride was a bit slow passed and very smooth. The brakes were very smooth too. I give this ride a 10/10. El Toro now became my moms favorite roller coaster at SFGAV (her favorite is Talon at DP) After El Toro Savannah got all coastered out so took a break (she was at GA all day the day before) so my mom sat with her, while Anthony and I waited 45 minutes for the front row of Kingda Ka. Neither of us have ever been on the front row so this was new to us. OH MY GOD! First off, there were no break downs and the view on the launch track was great. The launch in the front feels like your face is going to be ripped off. We flew over the Top hat so the airtime was ejector (I kept the OTSR a little far from my body) and I didn't sit back down until the bottom of the top hat. After Kingda ka, we saw Clint Novak (from In The Loop) so we said hi like little fan boys. Anyway. After that Anthony and I ran on El Toro again. Same seat as last time. As great as last time. The park closed so we then went home! It was a fantastic 2 hours, and now I have school tomorrow! -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 00:19:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31191 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 07:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 07:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.58) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 07:19:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23956 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 22:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060612221754.23954.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.248.29] by web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:17:54 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:17:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: enjoying a park's "magic" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YaNwpdNUOdHl0y4-vFHaROKBOIASKsbsPpyc8GIogJbYTeXfUPsU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I like that description better than jaded... refined preferences... So does that make us amusement park and coaster connoisseurs? < I think it does, Beth. As with anything, the more experience you have with something, the more informed your opinion should be. Obviously, there are the well-known coaster tools who have a different motive (personal glorification?), but most of the enthusiasts are...well...enthused. They simply love amusement parks and rides. And that enthusiasm will usually make the person learn more about what they love, which often makes them love it even more. And the cycle continues. I've had other interests that waned with time, hobbies I was into that I burned out on because I over-did it. But I've been actively into amusement parks and rides for nearly three decades (!) and I still enjoy it. I loved parks (and dark rides especially) since I was a little kid. But I thought it was just an odd obsession I had. When I found out there were whole groups of people who shared my interest, that validated it for me and also gave me a world of resources I never knew existed. And that in turn has helped to keep my enjoyment going. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jun 13 04:10:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46212 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 11:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 11:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 11:06:21 -0000 Received: from [69.161.152.77] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fq6Wh-0000Pd-76 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <448E9942.3050106@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:53:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060612220517.15204.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060612220517.15204.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478268772c7f119d22b640b472d1962127bd94f55005f3f58d7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: enjoying a park's "magic" (was TR BGT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=0dV2alFMgGFHMKiEUZGNE9egB9YfKpm7TxRH2DOJdruroUY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > > They were now requiring all workers to work at least 96 hours every 3 > months. < > > That seems really odd, what with so many other parks cutting back on > employee hours. What was their rationale? Testing workers' loyalty? It > seems like they'd be glad to have anyone reliable who was willling to work. > Their rationale was they didn't want to have to give benefits to so many. Busch offers benefits (medical, dental, etc.) to anyone who has been there for over a year, and they wanted to make sure that anyone who was eligible for the benefits actually worked enough to make it worth offering them. Why they didn't offer an "opt out" option, or only allow benefits to be offered to those who averaged a certain number of hours year round is beyond me. As I understand it, it was something that came down from high up in the company, outside the parks division, because those in the parks were not happy about it. They lost a lot of very good workers who also had other jobs- college students, teachers, and others. On Rhino Rally alone they lost one supervisor and half their trainers who couldn't work the new required hours all the time. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5591 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 15:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 15:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.228) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 15:00:31 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so92867wri for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.180.4 with SMTP id h4mr5553978qbp; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:51:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <448865CC.4090007@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> <448865CC.4090007@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=EYbUKnnEIY-29QHe4ziYgM7_QBU83s4AMLCQvfGkPF-08G8Nuhi2sdk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > In comparison (I don't really keep a list) I love LoCoSuMo and enjoy > Thunderbolt. I wouldn't put them near the bottom of my list. The Lost Coaster was hands down the roughest, most violent, and most painful wooden coaster I've ever experienced. I've never felt like I've had to hold on for dear life to avoid injury. One of the random people I ended up riding with was carted away with a concussion. This is not just a ride I dislike, but one of the few that I absolutely hate. I have no interest in ever riding it again. And it should never be operating in the condition that it was when I rode it. As for Kennywood's Thunderbolt, I've never got the hype surrounding that ride. I find it rough and uninspired. There's no airtime and it's a generally painful ride. I don't get the point of not banking the turns, as the only thing that accomplishes is pain for the riders. I realize some people love this ride, and that's fine. I just have no idea what they see in it. -Nate From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Jun 13 08:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52854 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 15:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 15:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 15:30:20 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD0079E796@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_MISC=3A=A0_Parks_from_the_air?= Thread-Index: AcaO/dUTydyb+rKRRwmFuU0wQAnitg== To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_MISC=3A=A0_Parks_from_the_air?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=FTSnjKc2XSUfPFWpCNbSRyg-hm-IUmTFMbp-JDuPy5wcfv79-g X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 >I've finally begun posting the images I've assembled. You can find >them at > http://www.karenandjay.com/coasters.html < Fun photos, but the Clementon picture needs to be updated. Jon ______________________________=20 From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jun 13 08:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58228 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 15:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 15:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 15:42:57 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.488.32b151a (15889) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e11448edcd5337; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:42:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:42:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2d5.8cda9b2.31bf883e@aol.com> Message-ID: <448EDCD5.4030807@aol.com> References: <2d5.8cda9b2.31bf883e@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: El Toro Review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=QGEGfWm95sH0qPLn9TIwHg6UgcvK2TxZV503HrXqED28hpFALQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo El Toro brings Six Flags Great Adventure something it has sorely needed, a fanominal wooden coaster. I don't really rank my coasters, but if I did, this one would be up there pretty high. The fun starts right on the lift hill, which is considerably faster then any other lift out there. You fly up it and around the turn around, and then down the first drop, and what a drop it is. I don't really know how to best describe the first drop, it leaves you speakless. You are flunf from your seat and don't land back into it until you reach the bottom. As you bottom out you plung into the woodwork, with head choppers that are sure to make you put your hands down. The next two hills are simply amazing, some of the best airtime hills on any coaster, anywhere. At the turn around you get thrown into a steep banked turn and dive down and around to the other side of the outbound track. Next is one of the weak spots on the coaster, a few speed humps that give up some airtime, but not much, before a long left turn that leads to the twister section, with a great head chopper right in the middle of the turn. Next comes the surprise element, the one that will WOW everyone that rides because it is hidden and unexpected. After crossing over Rolling Thunder, you dive into the twister section on this steep, abrupt hill that tosses you from your seat and then quickly flies through a right, left, right turn sequnce that is lightning fast and stunningly close to the ground. However, this is followed up by the weakest part of the ride, two little bunny hills that the train almost meanders over, giving little airtime. To the coaster's credit, as the day wears on this section does speed up, but never really lives up to what the rest of the ride is. And the rest of the ride is fantastic. Some people will not like how glass smooth it is, it feels like a steel coaster, but the general public reaction has been fantastic, and those are the opinions that really matter. Externally, I love the ride's location, you get great views of it, yet at the same time part of it is hidden and a surprise to riders. I love how the ride seems to wrap around the new Plaza Del Carnival section. The trains are reletively comfortable, I think mostly because of the smooth ride, since there is little padding, and what there is of it is the harder foam. They do staple you in, and larger people will not be able to ride as the sensors on the train are very finiky. Operations were a little slow, but I think they will pick up are they get procedures down. Overall, El Toro is a must ride, it is simply awesome and unlike any coaster out there. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm "Sometimes I amaze even myself" From serpmage@juno.com Tue Jun 13 15:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41840 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 22:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 22:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 22:14:19 -0000 Received: from webmail12.lax.untd.com (webmail12.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.152]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCJ8QD4ABS3ZU2 for (sender ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LSSEAQ23; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:12:13 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail12.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:47 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060613.151213.3483.176424@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 20:10:4181727343 X-MAIL-INFO:58b83949e1813de158b981cd3dcd090001293119bd6d2d9db12901f5f97d8de12d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAFrpoGkW4hUeHlM5kdHkA/3cuSu4cfgNkA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.152|webmail12.lax.untd.com|webmail12.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=BaUhzK9OGGZVgWV-azQYNuoLL2K8dGyt2kYlyh5myXi703CxNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 >> , george burnash >> wrote: >> > Or maybe it's from working in a park and getting ready to work at >> > Disney. Uhg, you're going to work for the rat? I'm sorry. I grew up in=20 Orlando, and as some on here know, worked at both Sea World and IOA=20 for quite sometime. Both of those places I never had half of the=20 hassle from management that I heard of from friends and my sisters who=20 worked at Disney. You know Universal is supposedly paying really well=20 right now for entry level? Last I heard, they were paying the best of=20 the Orlando parks. >>=20 >> Now you're slipping things in slyly... so what's the Disney job? >>=20 >Nothing big, just a part time job in the parks as one of those=20 >photographers that take your picture around the park or with the=20 >characters. Pays a good bit better than most of the other entry=20 >positions though. I have my orientation class on Tuesday, and then=20 >will=20 >do the real training after that. > >Looking forward to it. It'll be different than most other park jobs,=20 >and as I understand it I'll get to rotate around within and among the=20 >parks more than most. Plus I'll get to use some nice photo equipment=20 >as=20 >part of it. There's a reason that job pays better than most of the other entry=20 level stuff, it's also one of the highest turn-over rate jobs in the=20 park, sometimes even higher than food service. The photo position=20 that really is the highest is the guy at the front of the park who=20 trys to take everyone's picture as they walk through the main gate,=20 I've never heard of anyone keeping that position for more than about 2=20 months. >Also means I'll be subject to Disney's NDA's and scrutiny, so I'll=20 >probably be a lot more mum about anything Disney in the future. :) > >keep on ridin' >George Bahh, NDA's for a theme park mean nothing, for a few reasons. First=20 it's very unlikely that unless you're working R&D with the imagineers=20 your going to find out significantly more than the rest of us who are=20 in tune with the industry. Second, despite the conspiracy theory nuts=20 claims, they don't watch you any more closely than they watch any=20 other possible media outlet. Third, you can always submit to Lance as=20 a "reliable anonymous source" :) Tim N. I still say you should go work for Universal. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From serpmage@juno.com Tue Jun 13 15:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30359 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 22:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 22:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 22:49:42 -0000 Received: from webmail12.lax.untd.com (webmail12.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.152]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCJ8SCZAA7Y8XJ for (sender ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LSSF8RTU; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:46:05 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.75] by webmail12.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:45:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:45:05 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060613.154605.3483.176785@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 9:4:1822105998 X-MAIL-INFO:034d09bdd58184d5444481298429f4719dc1cd39142504ad15c19de4f511d9d504 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAFrpoGkW4hUeceDsXGep61AjkKgtYaMX9Q== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.152|webmail12.lax.untd.com|webmail12.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Boarding Stations - NOT allowing to leave stuf f? - Folding stools - any good for lines? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=h6jPo2-uBUyvaXiun0ytN05EJI9avkfDmULpax0wDCXdTAZAkg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr > Are there any coasters out there that do not allow any personal=20 stuff, > back packs, etc, left on the boarding station? Don't try to bring anything bigger than a water bottle onto any of the=20 coasters at BGT or Kraken at SWO. When Kraken first opened, you=20 conldn't leave ANYTHING on the platform. Drinks got thrown away, and=20 you had to take your shoes with you. If you had a purse we sent you=20 packing back down to the lockers and made you pay 50 cents for a=20 locker. Things have relaxed a bit but not signifcantly. At BGT, it's=20 actually easier to get things onto Montu than it is Gwazi for some=20 weird reason. I will usually tether my cell phone to my belt on=20 coasters and then clip it onto my waist, never, ever lost it on any=20 coaster anywhere, but even that wasn't good enough for the guys at=20 Gwazi, they wanted me to pay to put it in a locker. So I went through=20 the locker area, stuffed my phone inside a pocket, walked through the=20 entrance and tied the phone to my belt again once I was in the queue.=20=20 Every once in awhile BEC operations just baffle me. Tim N. (BTW, I'm moving to Va in a few weeks, Fredricksberg area, looking=20 forward to being able to call PKD (or whatever it's going to be called=20 shortly) my home park, and being able to make much more frequent=20 visits to all the other parks that are in the general vicinity) ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 16:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72617 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 23:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2006 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2006 23:24:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:24:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=lRrqpxqc_G7Ezw9UvIWfxOAwZRN-boq1cOWUxqOVlAaL-7ENOB09 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Apropos of nothing, I was wondering if there were any wooden coasters=20 today painted any color besides white. There are many unpainted=20 coasters, but I can't think of any red, blue, green, etc. coasters.=20 I've seen pictures that make the Sea Serpent coaster at Pacific Ocean=20 Park (closed 1967) look green, but I can't tell if that's real or if=20 it's just an artifact of the old photography: http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/Venice/mapsdocs/pop-map8.htm Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jun 13 18:05:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27879 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 01:05:16 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so67163uge for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.67.20 with SMTP id p20mr19424hua; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30606131805r5faa0b6ap7f785c4af88bde2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:05:14 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=r-DKfGk9GuIHO4nDlMQSleuAB9AJXiRF9DzUSIjQXcrbcWh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Only I can think of are the kiddie woodies in the paramount parks...carowids and kings island's are purple, and the one at kings dominion is blue... On 6/13/06, adamnvillani wrote: > Apropos of nothing, I was wondering if there were any wooden coasters > today painted any color besides white. There are many unpainted > coasters, but I can't think of any red, blue, green, etc. coasters. > I've seen pictures that make the Sea Serpent coaster at Pacific Ocean > Park (closed 1967) look green, but I can't tell if that's real or if > it's just an artifact of the old photography: > http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/Venice/mapsdocs/pop-map8.htm > > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 13 18:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50457 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 01:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 01:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.195) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 01:13:51 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o37so14647nzf for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.250.17 with SMTP id c17mr55553qbs; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:12:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=HaGENWUeLJh72NJtWdXnd_58-BnwgBs7vd0ZpPIoEyDwg3zUFWLGZ2I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Apropos of nothing, I was wondering if there were any wooden coasters > today painted any color besides white. Of course! The Fairly Odd Coaster at PKI is (among other colors) purple: http://www.rcdb.com/ig72.htm?picture=1 Carowinds' Fairly Odd Coaster is the same color: http://www.rcdb.com/ig82.htm?picture=1 PKD's Ghoster Coaster is teal: http://www.rcdb.com/ig89.htm?picture=4 Although hard to tell, Knoebels' Phoenix is dark green: http://www.rowan.edu/earth/denton/COASTERS/Photos/knoebels/1stdrop.jpg The Beast is either stained or painted a brownish red: http://www.rcdb.com/ig67.htm?picture=3 Kennywood's Racer is dark red: http://www.rcdb.com/ig121.htm?picture=2 Cedar Point's Blue Streak is (not surprisingly) blue: http://www.rcdb.com/ig12.htm?picture=6 As is (was?) Conneaut's Blue Streak: http://www.rcdb.com/ig249.htm?picture=4 Dorney Park's Thunderhawk is some weird yellow/off-white color: http://www.rcdb.com/ig239.htm?picture=2 I'm sure there are others from overseas too. And of course, many coasters are mostly white but have red, blue, and sometimes yellow highlights: http://www.rcdb.com/ig41.htm?picture=3 (Great American Scream Machine) http://www.rcdb.com/ig36.htm?picture=5 (Georgia Cyclone) http://www.rcdb.com/ig204.htm?picture=5 (Giant Dipper North) http://www.rcdb.com/ig203.htm?picture=5 (Giant Dipper South) http://www.rcdb.com/ig365.htm?picture=5 (Starliner) http://www.rcdb.com/ig9.htm?picture=2 (American Eagle) http://www.rcdb.com/ig212.htm?picture=2 (Tornado) http://www.rcdb.com/ig180.htm?picture=2 (Riverside Cyclone) http://www.rcdb.com/ig44.htm?picture=6 (Screamin' Eagle) http://www.rcdb.com/ig132.htm?picture=1 (Rolling Thunder) http://www.rcdb.com/ig298.htm?picture=2 (Yankee Cannonball) http://www.rcdb.com/ig235.htm?picture=5 (Raging Wolf Bobs) http://www.rcdb.com/ig155.htm?picture=1 (Wildcat @ Frontier City) http://www.rcdb.com/ig122.htm?picture=1 (Thunderbolt) http://www.rcdb.com/ig29.htm?picture=1 (Judge Roy Scream) -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 13 18:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73180 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 01:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 01:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 01:26:14 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5E1Q7kK028382 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052701c68f51$8abef090$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060613.151213.3483.176424@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: BGT 5/27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=UTTv9KWZ124TGFmGjTX5wMqliXiGZHq1NfB0amZusz1jSt_s0bHHzKVlGw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Bahh, NDA's for a theme park mean nothing, for a few reasons. First it's very unlikely that unless you're working R&D with the imagineers your going to find out significantly more than the rest of us who are in tune with the industry. Second, despite the conspiracy theory nuts claims, they don't watch you any more closely than they watch any other possible media outlet. Third, you can always submit to Lance as a "reliable anonymous source" :) That works for me.... Lance Screamscape.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 18:53:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55186 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 01:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 01:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 01:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2006 01:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2006 01:51:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:51:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=_d50Iu6GiamfN_LD5gDRWSL-MucHQB5UAXhX9Fjz9pU13Ep8mXZ- X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Apropos of nothing, I was wondering if there were any wooden=20 coasters > > today painted any color besides white. >=20 > Of course! Wow, thanks for the list... no wonder I didn't know of any; they're=20 all (except for the white ones with highlights) about 2000 miles away=20 from me here in California! I hereby command Pacific Park in Santa=20 Monica to rebuild the Sea Serpent, and paint it sea green! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jun 13 19:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14650 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2006 02:52:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2006 02:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2006 02:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2006 02:50:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:50:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=x5_gKvNMZnGggZ82yCOzGqSkPGDA-BZn7ao39-dEkKRteZGjgA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Apropos of nothing, I was wondering if there were any wooden coasters > > today painted any color besides white. >=20 > Of course! >=20 > The Fairly Odd Coaster at PKI is (among other colors) purple: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig72.htm?picture=3D1 >=20 > Carowinds' Fairly Odd Coaster is the same color: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig82.htm?picture=3D1 >=20 > PKD's Ghoster Coaster is teal: http://www.rcdb.com/ig89.htm?picture=3D4 >=20 > Although hard to tell, Knoebels' Phoenix is dark green: > http://www.rowan.edu/earth/denton/COASTERS/Photos/knoebels/1stdrop.jpg >=20 > The Beast is either stained or painted a brownish red: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig67.htm?picture=3D3 >=20 > Kennywood's Racer is dark red: http://www.rcdb.com/ig121.htm?picture=3D2 >=20 > Cedar Point's Blue Streak is (not surprisingly) blue: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig12.htm?picture=3D6 >=20 > As is (was?) Conneaut's Blue Streak: http://www.rcdb.com/ig249.htm?pictur= e=3D4 >=20 > Dorney Park's Thunderhawk is some weird yellow/off-white color: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig239.htm?picture=3D2 >=20 > I'm sure there are others from overseas too. >=20 > And of course, many coasters are mostly white but have red, blue, and > sometimes yellow highlights: > http://www.rcdb.com/ig41.htm?picture=3D3 (Great American Scream Machine) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig36.htm?picture=3D5 (Georgia Cyclone) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig204.htm?picture=3D5 (Giant Dipper North) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig203.htm?picture=3D5 (Giant Dipper South) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig365.htm?picture=3D5 (Starliner) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig9.htm?picture=3D2 (American Eagle) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig212.htm?picture=3D2 (Tornado) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig180.htm?picture=3D2 (Riverside Cyclone) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig44.htm?picture=3D6 (Screamin' Eagle) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig132.htm?picture=3D1 (Rolling Thunder) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig298.htm?picture=3D2 (Yankee Cannonball) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig235.htm?picture=3D5 (Raging Wolf Bobs) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig155.htm?picture=3D1 (Wildcat @ Frontier City) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig122.htm?picture=3D1 (Thunderbolt) > http://www.rcdb.com/ig29.htm?picture=3D1 (Judge Roy Scream) >=20 > -Nate > OWNED! hahaha jk From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 18:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44668 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 00:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 00:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 00:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 10330 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2006 00:59:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060615005941.10328.qmail@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.3.98] by web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:59:41 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:59:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=XrE02TO0D8JonBVA0IUA3fzO7sU0DRrBRfEjeTgikoHDgaibILU5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The tradition of coasters painted white began simply as a cost-saving move. Before pressure treated lumber, painting the wood was the quickest and cheapest way to preserve it. And white was the cheapest paint of all. Many new coasters are left unpainted now because the pressure treated lumber doesn't need it. So the park saves a ton of money by just leaving it natural. Incidentally, Whalom Park's Flyer Comet was painted bright yellow with red handrails. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 18:10:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53201 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 01:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 01:01:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 52824 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2006 01:01:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060615010117.52822.qmail@web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.3.98] by web37409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:01:17 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:01:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Parks from the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=85w14WC5YxSFJH5jluwOL3IJF-cW1p3rmXAUTHj99-ZAYzDZiV93 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Fun photos, but the Clementon picture needs to be updated. < I'd love to, Jon, but I'm stuck with whatever the satellite photos are. And actually, I like the older images, to see what the park was like a decade ago. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jun 14 19:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87267 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 02:04:37 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FqhDn-0006M4-Kd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4490C045.2060702@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:04:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060613.151213.3483.176424@webmail12.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20060613.151213.3483.176424@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478268772c7f119d22b93324137e5ca480f218ae5a86b6e9db6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: working at WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7onsDQZY4-Xo0I4SVvmGwP7wf0VdQERo9MdUv4QhpEXfTgA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Tim N. wrote: > Uhg, you're going to work for the rat? I'm sorry. I grew up in > Orlando, and as some on here know, worked at both Sea World and IOA > for quite sometime. Both of those places I never had half of the > hassle from management that I heard of from friends and my sisters who > worked at Disney. You know Universal is supposedly paying really well > right now for entry level? Last I heard, they were paying the best of > the Orlando parks. If you want to work the bottom rung, lowest paying job at a park, then Universal is paying 10 cents more an hour than the other parks. When you've got a family, that 10 cents means nothing because you don't go in at the lowest paying spot. That's not going to pay the bills. :) > >Nothing big, just a part time job in the parks as one of those > >photographers that take your picture around the park or with the > >characters. Pays a good bit better than most of the other entry > >positions though. > There's a reason that job pays better than most of the other entry > level stuff, it's also one of the highest turn-over rate jobs in the > park, sometimes even higher than food service. The photo position > that really is the highest is the guy at the front of the park who > trys to take everyone's picture as they walk through the main gate, > I've never heard of anyone keeping that position for more than about 2 > months. Funny, cause that's exactly where I'm starting out- right outside of the castle and main gate areas, moving back and forth. :) I've also done some talking to people within the park, friends of mine that work there outside the park, and some others. Then talked to the supervisors and trainers yesterday. And after that, I've no worries about it. The ones I've met in the position have all been there well over a year. In fact, when I was at the park last week with the family, I stopped every PhotoPass photographer we saw just to check the service, and all of them had anniversary pins on for service. Didn't see one without it. So if they've all got anniversary pins for length of working with the park, then I'm not to worried about a high turnover rate. Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I know that standing out in the hot sun for 10 or more hours a day having a smile plastered on my face, lugging a bunch of expensive heavy camera equipement, and trying to get a lot of people who aren't willing to have their picture taken allow me to take their picture and try to sell it to them isn't going to be an easy job. I've also worked for Disney before and know that they have a lot more expectations for their workers than the other companies, also known as "hassles" to some, and I'm willing to deal with that. Frankly, I know that I've dealt with a lot worse in that area than a theme park can throw at me. :) > Bahh, NDA's for a theme park mean nothing, for a few reasons. First > it's very unlikely that unless you're working R&D with the imagineers > your going to find out significantly more than the rest of us who are > in tune with the industry. Second, despite the conspiracy theory nuts > claims, they don't watch you any more closely than they watch any > other possible media outlet. Here I think you would be shocked. I laughingly told my interviewer that Disney must have a spy division after she asked my about my semi-recent TR to Animal Kingdom. Yeah, they brought it up, which means they had looked it up. So obviously someone is looking. And I've had a couple of others on the list and on other message boards mention how they were asked about things they had posted about Disney on the internet when they went in for jobs. I'd agree in a limited sense that most theme parks don't worry to much about the NDA's as long as you're not releasing really critical information. Disney is a different beast. Third, you can always submit to Lance as > a "reliable anonymous source" :) Yeah, maybe, except for one thing. My own personal integrity. When I signed the line that said I would not talk about it, then to do otherwise would be a violation of my word. Sure, Disney might not ever find out about it, but I would know better. And I have enough other problems without knowingly compromising my word and integrity that way. I don't expect most to understand that, but being raised that my word is good, and I'm willing to make a deal on a handshake, it applies to something like an NDA also. Old Fashioned or "out of touch" for some, maybe, but that's me. Sorry Lance. :) > > Tim N. > I still say you should go work for Universal. They weren't willing to offer the pay scale I needed, the type of job I wanted, or able to make up the extra 15 miles of driving I'd have past Disney to get there. Can't complain when I'm only 10 miles from work and can practically hop a bus to get there if my car breaks down. Can't do that with Universal from where I'm at. I know that Universal employees are loyal to the company, and that's a good thing. But I've just never been interested in Universal, and they couldn't offer my anything that changed my mind when I checked into them. Neither did Busch, who I had already worked for. Disney on the other hand gave me 3 options in my desired pay range, and options to move up the ladder quickly. and a heck of a lot more perks than the others. Was a pretty easy decision actually. But ask me again in a few months, after I've actually got some experience, then we'll see. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 15 06:10:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87570 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5E1HLhm006176 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04f201c68f50$51b80d50$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <487.25cd058.31b742ff@aol.com> <4BC1E50C-2DD7-49F7-9B7B-343AB7A7CD12@donkeyentertainment.com> <448865CC.4090007@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:17:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wooden Coaster Weekend (addendum) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=HY-Ie4MwW7TrUPhiY3oZt-jC699M4NrijsPoHsSzQv9TbrEVf9HSst3vCA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> In comparison (I don't really keep a list) I love LoCoSuMo and enjoy >> Thunderbolt. I wouldn't put them near the bottom of my list. > > The Lost Coaster was hands down the roughest, most violent, and most > painful wooden coaster I've ever experienced. I've never felt like > I've had to hold on for dear life to avoid injury. It's rough, but I also thought it was fun and very unique. The first time I rode it, I was sitting backwards which was probably a mistake because I had no idea what I was in for, so I got tossed around like a rag doll. Later in the day I rode it again facing forward and enjoyed it much more because I knew what to expect and could see to brace myself. From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Jun 15 13:50:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15164 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao06.cox.net) (70.168.83.78) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([70.189.88.102]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060615204952.XGWJ16541.centrmmtao06.cox.net@MYCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:49:52 -0400 To: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c690bd$3bf04aa0$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaQvTuTK0VQZDCIRdawCb1GHghVUg== X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=9QkaPfc8i0Mtb8z43_-8H6EDNmfaQK0LYamIvN4AKDCGAgPvf2hKtA X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My name is Michael and I live near Oklahoma City. I am a member of American Coaster Enthusiasts and have been for several years. My career goal is to design roller coasters, or at least have some sort of job in the amusement park industry. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Thu Jun 15 15:25:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76984 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from webmail47.lax.untd.com (webmail47.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.187]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCKDZRNANS3FJ2 for (sender ); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail47.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LSXKQCVF; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:23:14 PDT Received: from [208.20.220.76] by webmail47.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:22:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:22:35 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060615.152314.6411.196412@webmail47.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:121927112 X-MAIL-INFO:14d8dda818d9f81838b5d961f86101b9057c88999ded7559b87c0569a958bc1875 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAOTqBKdNOxSxmW3pzi7PmHSHebMwO/Afbg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.187|webmail47.lax.untd.com|webmail47.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: working at WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=NAMhVIFXwKvW-QgrAxHTfPNi-Px7UomH6RFxe6kMh2JGUVPtow X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >But ask me again in a few months, after I've actually got some=20 >experience, then we'll see. :) Fair points all, and I can't blame you for making a business=20 decision. One of the reasons I went to work for Universal in the=20 first place was simply because the employee lot was only 3 miles from=20 my house. Wish you the best of luck and hope it works out for you,=20 but just think of me if/when your management starts to make=20 unreasonable demands (there's a reason there's a Disney union) :) In the meantime, guess I know who to call if I need to abuse a main=20 gate pass. ;) ~Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 17:15:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44325 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 00:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 00:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 00:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 85643 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 00:00:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616000012.85641.qmail@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.248.177] by web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:00:12 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Painted Wooden Coasters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=pGB8PAi_T3gEaXxyTOXwbK5-N0z5DxF9O6ifa0AcDPTyH9Rqv9gl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And of course, many coasters are mostly white but have red, blue, and sometimes yellow highlights < I almost forgot the most spectacular of all: for much of its existence, Chapultepek's Montana Rusa had a different color on each bent section! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Thu Jun 15 17:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45138 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 00:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 00:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 00:20:48 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (118-135.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.135.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5G0KPUY009788 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c690da$af7d1bc0$76877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <000601c690bd$3bf04aa0$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:20:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=raBU5Zq7fbh3yY8CezgTVZXDQ8UM5dZmw9HPxDYXjedCAh3PKiS6 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the group, Michael! Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction My name is Michael and I live near Oklahoma City. I am a member of American Coaster Enthusiasts and have been for several years. My career goal is to design roller coasters, or at least have some sort of job in the amusement park industry. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 04:45:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75509 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 11:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 11:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 11:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2006 11:44:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:44:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.226.172.27 From: "WILEY" Subject: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=pr9UIFLXSl7dWhKVTTZ6mTi6m3U7D9Co0FfDzXEgAwAH5uJB8wFtitIBPnIqK3OR X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Hi everyone. My name is Wiley and I am from Massillon Ohio. I have=20 been riding rollercoasters since 1978. I am a former member of the=20 American Coaster Enthusiasts(I am renewing my membership this year).=20=20 At last count I have ridden 67 different coasters all over the United=20 States. I do visit Geauga Lake and Cedar Point every year, and I try=20 to get to Kennywood and King's Island every couple of years. I have=20 yet to find a coaster that I don't like, but as I get older I do find=20 that some of them seem a little rougher than when I was younger. I=20 promise that that will not stop me from riding though. I am a=20 Structural CADD Designer with hopes of breaking into the rollercoaster=20 design field someday. It is a hard field to get into since there=20 aren't that many firms out there doing this kind of work. By the way=20 I really enjoy reading all the e-mails and picking up all kinds of=20 interesting tidbits of information about coasters that I have not yet=20=20 had a chance to ride.=20=20 I am kind of like the Beast at PKI, i'm getting older but I still run=20 with the best of them. Wiley From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Jun 16 07:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12603 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (118-135.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.135.118]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5GCIkpN011413 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c6913f$0aa301e0$76877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:18:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=vjz7FV32DwYxEzn_8VEDObwNlxA8Xthmn0B-ysWzXqyxOQrxiL23 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the group, Wiley! Joe Tampa Bay, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: WILEY To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction Hi everyone. My name is Wiley and I am from Massillon Ohio. I have been riding rollercoasters since 1978. I am a former member of the American Coaster Enthusiasts(I am renewing my membership this year). At last count I have ridden 67 different coasters all over the United States. I do visit Geauga Lake and Cedar Point every year, and I try to get to Kennywood and King's Island every couple of years. I have yet to find a coaster that I don't like, but as I get older I do find that some of them seem a little rougher than when I was younger. I promise that that will not stop me from riding though. I am a Structural CADD Designer with hopes of breaking into the rollercoaster design field someday. It is a hard field to get into since there aren't that many firms out there doing this kind of work. By the way I really enjoy reading all the e-mails and picking up all kinds of interesting tidbits of information about coasters that I have not yet had a chance to ride. I am kind of like the Beast at PKI, i'm getting older but I still run with the best of them. Wiley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awesomeann777@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 07:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: awesomeann777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8407 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 14:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2006 14:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.86) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 14:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 97369 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 14:26:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616142615.97367.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.218.59.189] by web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:26:15 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:26:15 -0700 (PDT) To: themouseforless@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "ºoºAnn" Marie Fowler Subject: OT: Happy Father's Day, and Congraduations.!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39141785; y=3Z5HPfZd5xwiJ9Q5gNcZjFQIHwwtwHH3qHFqCv3tc6wD6DrLSzJV6w X-Yahoo-Profile: afdisneyfreak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there all! First of all, I want to send congraduations to members who a= re graduating from school/classes or have a loved one who's graduating! An= d those who are getting married, BTW! =20=20=20 Second of all, I want to send wishes on Father's Day to all the Dads and = members who loved ones are Fathers!=20=20 =20=20=20 Take care everyone!!=20 =20=20=20 Ann Marie =20=20=20=20 =BAo=BAAnn Fowler aka Disneyfreak AIM, MySpace and Y!IM-ID: afdisneyfreak http://profiles.yahoo.com/afdisneyfreak =20=20=20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1=A2/min with Yahoo! = Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat Jun 17 07:08:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54085 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 14:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 14:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 14:07:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 99); 17 Jun 2006 14:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060617140738.15085.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 17 Jun 2006 09:07:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 69.218.136.194 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Faster Coasters Have Reliability Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=37WBUo2m7K38aDk6W33NxUdFn4yS-X1ztoTthBbGYWLJfeax X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Faster Coasters Have Reliability Issues From Netscape News JACKSON, N.J. (AP) - At 128 mph and a little more than 45 stories tall, the Kingda Ka roller coaster at Six Flags Great Adventure gives riders quite a thrill. That is, when it's working. As the amusement park this week unveiled another fast and furious roller coaster - a wooden one called El Toro - it also is trying to tackle a problem experts say is common with many high-performance roller coasters: reliability. Kingda Ka launched in May 2005 to much fanfare, narrowly beating out a similar ride called Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, to claim the title as the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster. Kingda Ka launches riders forward horizontally from a standstill to 128 mph in 3.5 seconds, then upward 456 feet at a 90-degree angle. At the top, the train slows almost to a stop, then plummets back to earth. The ride is over in about 50 seconds. It is extremely popular and has received excellent reviews by roller coaster enthusiasts, despite being closed for nearly two months last summer. This year, it opened on schedule April 1, but was shut down for maintenance and modifications for three weeks. It is open now. Kingda Ka is ``one of the most complex rides in existence,'' and has a maintenance and management team devoted to it, according to park spokeswoman Kristin Siebeneicher. ``The ride's been running very reliably,'' Siebeneicher said. ``It remained last year and continues through today to be our most popular attraction. ... it has been a great addition to the park.'' Roller coaster aficionados say it's common for a cutting-edge ride such as Kingda Ka to run sporadically when it first opens. Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster - built by a Swiss company, Intamin AG, that also built Kingda Ka - was closed more than it was open during its first year in operation in 2003, said Duane Marden, a Brookfield, Wis., computer programmer who runs the Roller Coaster DataBase, a Web site that catalogues ride statistics. ``It's not like the hydraulics in your lawnmower,'' Marden said. ``They're not like normal roller coasters. They're different designs. They're prototypes.'' Kingda Ka was shut down June 8 of last year after it malfunctioned during a test run. The park said riders were not in danger, and the ride went back online Aug. 4 after the problem was investigated and new parts were ordered from Switzerland. Marden said Kingda Ka's early troubles are not unusual. He can rattle off a list of new roller coasters that gave their owners headaches in the beginning: Hypersonic XLC at Paramount's Kings Dominion in Doswell, Va., ``rarely opened during its first season.'' Superman The Escape, at the Six Flags park in Valencia, Calif., only had a limited - and late - opening in 1996. Many of these rides ran reliably once the kinks were worked out, he said, and he expects the same will hold true for Kingda Ka. For those who had their hair blown back and were out of breath from screaming while riding the monster coaster, the ride was an experience to rave about. ``It was like a free face-lift,'' said William Hall, 16, from Amityville, N.Y., who was on a school field trip with friends. ``I thought it was great.'' On the Net: http://www.sixflags.com/ http://www.rcdb.com/ From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Jun 17 10:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95075 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2006 17:55:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:55:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Mini Cedar Point TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=V3yl_yaKcm6OLtNz4yyeLUSh1hC4lW0O6aE_BoTnW7PkngJbOg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg While making my way back to the POINT this past weekend for the 2nd time th= is year, this=20 trip was different. First of all, it was the FIRST time my parents were going to be visiting th= e POINT since they=20 came to pick me up back in 1998 when I *lost my job*! haha Second of all, it was the FIRST trip to an amusement park w/ my parents sin= ce 1999 when=20 we went to Busch Gardens Williamsburg. At first the weekend was going to be just my parents, my sister Natalie and= myself. My=20 fiance and her son were supposed to be at the beach w/ her entire family, b= ut money=20 issues and a new job prevented her from taking the WHOLE week off , so she = decided to=20 tag along. My brother and his wife then decided to go with us last minute. So this trip was going to be great, a non-coatse-tool trip w/ my family! ha= ha My parents and sister went up mid-day Friday and did the STARLIGHT and the = rest of us=20 crammed into my xB and got up to Sandusky at about 1am Saturday morning. Since we were staying at Breakes Express , we got to get into the park 30 m= inutes before=20 all the rest of the crowds. We headed first to Raptor and grabbed a front s= eat ride. Seeing=20 as how Erin (fiance) and myself were the only ones who wanted to ride MF (a= nd could fit)=20 we headed that way, while the rest rerode Raptor and MaXair. After a backse= at ride on MF=20 to get the day started, we headed back over to Wicked Twister to meet up w/= the rest. My parents aren't that big into marathoning on coasters (although my dad di= d get 2 rides=20 on Raptor early in the morning), they chose to take Michael (my soon to be = stepson) on=20 some kiddie rides while we rode Wicked Twister. Since no one wanted to ride= the AFLAC=20 seat with me, I rode there by myself. From there we headed all over ther park enjoying ride-rides like we were al= l kids again. Some things that happened on this trip that were noteworthy, were the AMAZI= NG rides I=20 recieved on Magnum XL200! I never thought that sentence would ever be assoc= iated with=20 something I typed or said... but it was true. Mid day we grabbed a ride in 1-2 (not over the wheels) and had some amazing= air time,=20 with a not-so-rough ride. Not as smooth as Millennium Force , but more airt= ime than=20 Millennium Force ever thought of delivering. Later that night we grabbed a = reride in the=20 same seat and enjoyed it even more in the dark. Dragster was opened later in the day, but the line was always long for anyo= ne wanting to=20 try and ride it. We went to eat dinner at Macaronis (only to disapoint Michael in that there= was NO=20 MAcARONI on the menu) we had the WORST service possible. First of all, me a= nd Erin get=20 there 10 minutes before the rest, and gave them PLENTY of time to know that= a party of 8=20 was going to be dining. We were there about 45 minutes before we got out fo= od. Needless=20 to say we waisted a lot of time in this half-ass-restaurant. Another complaint of the trip, Michael got tired a third of the way through= the day, so=20 when we were back near Gemini we went to the Joe Cool store to see about re= nting a=20 stroller. My dad paid for the Double Stroller, $20.00 , so we would have ro= om for Michael=20 and our bags. After paying, there were 4 employees who were all looking for= the KEYS that=20 unlocked the chain around the strollers. After 10 minutes, they told us tha= t *Ashley*, who=20 was on break, must have the keys. Then, they had the nerve to ask my dad if= he wanted to=20 WALK all the way back to the main gate entrance, to rent a stroller there??= ?? WTF! My dad=20 (who gets pissed at horrible customer service) told them they must be jokin= g, and asked=20 for his money back, and then made a smart ass comment about *Tell Ashley wh= en she=20 gets back, to give you guys the keys!* (or something of that nature) We later ended the day w/ that above mentioned Magnum Night Ride , then 2 r= ides on=20 Gemini. The next morning my parents and brother/sister-in law headed back to Wild W= onderful=20 West Virginia. So myself, Erin, Michael and Natalie headed to the park. We = parked in the=20 Magnum lot and ended up having a really great morning. As no one was back t= here yet, we=20 grabbed some rides on Magnum , Gemini , CCMR and Skyhawk. Skyhawk.... where do i begin. This was my 4th day at Cedar Point in 2006, a= nd never had=20 made a journey to the Skyhawk queue. Well seeing as how NO ONE was back her= e yet, my=20 sister (who told us the day before she'd NEVER ride it) decided since the l= ine was short,=20 she would try it. She fell in love w/ MaXair the day before and came off of= Skyhawk a fan=20 as well. I loved this ride. Granted it might be due to the fact that there = was NO wait, but it=20 was great. The airtime on this thing is crazy, it feels like you are actual= ly going to slide out=20 of your restraint. The view you get of Millennium Force is amazing as well,= the other side a=20 lil boring. Nat joined me on a reride the next time, but then stepped out when i chose = to go for 3 in=20 a row. The second amazing discovery on this trip is that I actually enjoyed this r= ide. The ride I=20 thought would be pointless and retarded since they already have MaXair. Come to find out, I got stuck on a not so good seat on MaXair later in the = day when we=20 met up w/ Brian , Janice & William. So I actually had more fun on Skyhawk t= his trip than I=20 did on my beloved MaXair! Last but not least, the final complaint of the trip. While I watched a sleepy Michael on the BENCH:THE RIDE , Erin and natalie w= ent into the=20 30 minute queue of TTD. After riding it, we forgot about the fact that we d= idn't get a=20 parent swap form today, since we didn't use it at all the day before. Erin = got off and told=20 the ride op that I was sitting w/ our child and we forgot the form. He told= her to have me=20 comp up the ramp and tell them my last name. So my sister ran w/ me to get = the reride. Here is where we found a flaw in the allmighty Cedar Point. The intamin seatbelts!!!! My sister, who just got off of the coaster, gets in the next to last seat o= n the Green Train ,=20 left side. I get in the right side and put the belt on w/ NO problem. She o= n the other hand=20 is having a problem. After 2 minutes of trying , and the entire queue starr= ing at her , we=20 switch seats. Then she puts on the seatbelt I had on perfect as well, so th= en I had trouble=20 putting on the seatbelt on the left side. I told the ops, "You obviously se= e there is=20 somethign wrong w/ your seat belt measuring system" , and they acted like n= othing was=20 wrong. Finally the op helped me get it on, by this time the entire Peninsul= a was starring at=20 my fat ass for holding up the loading of the dragster trains. This was ridiculous, they could obviously see that whoever CHOPPED up these= seatblets=20 after the unfortunate death of the fat/retarded guy at SFNE , didn't do a g= ood job. They=20 had a good half inch-inch difference in them. WTF! it was embarrasing and u= ncalled for. This would probablly explain the reason my sister , on friday night, wasn't= able to ride=20 Millennium Force (which she loves). Maybe if she would've tried a differnet= seat, the belt=20 would've fit since Cedar Point/Intamin doesn't know how to equally measure = out seat=20 belts! So what I thought would be a MINI TR , turned out to be very lengthy. Thanks for reading and I hope this doesn't happen to you on Dragster. jeremy d. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 14:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32313 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2006 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2006 21:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2006 21:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 32202 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2006 21:16:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060617211652.32200.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.230.49] by web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:16:52 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Faster Coasters Have Reliability Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VRrsg0cvUEJNJ9Al1aXrA-YBJjTAcDpP3ANEcHiXP2WFvwqkz4Zx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well no, duh. I'm amazed that these rides operate at all. Interesting that X wasn't mentioned; that was probably the most complex coaster ever built. How does Kingda Ka compare with Superman: The Escape? It seems like S:TE had many more problems (and more costly ones) than KK did. It would be interesting, too, to compare the down time of high-tech coasters with the down time of high tech rides like Haunted Mansion or Mine of the Lost Souls. The dark rides will often still run as long as the people-movers are working, but often the stunts fail to operate properly. To me, that's a malfunctioning ride, because the stunts are what make or break the ride. Jay --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 18:54:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99692 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2006 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2006 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 01:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 89882 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2006 01:44:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060618014418.89880.qmail@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.230.49] by web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:44:18 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: A Tale of Two Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=OvpSN_ZhqDSYGah1DPegWe54vUyqMhzBz7zYM8T9EM-0GyP7mm4R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For our first amusement park of the season, Karen and I chose Quassy Amusem= ent Park, a small family run park in Middlebury, Connecticut. It was a simp= le, direct drive from Route 84 to 64. The weather was beautifully sunny and= warm. The park was easy to miss, across the street from a small baseball f= ield, hidden by trees. The Paratrooper ride, a giant slide and the white st= ructure of the Mad Mouse could be seen from across the small gravel parking= lot. Our first suprise was that the park charged $5.00 for parking. That w= as as much as Lake Compounce, twenty minutes down the road. I guess Quassy = had to make its money somehow, since there was no admission charge. We park= ed out car at the front of the lot. It was 10:30, a half-hour after opening= , and there was hardly anyone there. It was a Friday and the last day of sc= hool for most communities, so that probably explained it. A cheery beautifully painted sign greeted us at the entrance. It was a bit = difficult to figure out where to enter. The park didn't seem to have any fo= rmal entrance area. The midway was a sort of truncated "L" shape around the= parking lot. So we followed a path lined with black railings down a slight= hill and to the left. In front of us in the distance was a fiberglass merr= y-go-round, spinning to recorded music. Several years ago, Quassy sold thei= r classic carousel to raise capital. I guess their plan worked, because the= park stayed alive. To the left was the twisted structure of a black water = slide. It wasn't open. Walking forward, we passed the carousel. Just beyond= it was a Chance C.P. Huntington train that circled counter-clockwise aroun= d a large empty grassy area. In front of us was a row of game booths with c= olorful retro signs above them. To the right was the park's small ticket bo= oth. A POP ticket cost $19.95. Karen and I decided to look around before sp= ringing for that. We took a right down a narrow section of midway. There was a closed gift sh= op to our right. On the left was a kiddie coaster, identical to Riverside P= ark's old one. In the middle of the coaster track was a kiddie jet ride and= a kiddie boat ride. The whole collection was surrounded by chainlink fence= (probably for insurance purposes), giving it the appearance of a prison ya= rd. That brought us to a small stone dock, where it seemed as if a boat usu= ally moored. There was even a queue line there. But no boat was to be seen.= The view was quite stunning though. The sound of water from Lake Quassapau= g lapping up against the stone made us feel like we were at the beach. A sm= all boxy display had a shark head painted on it. You could enter from the b= ack through some black cloth to make it look like you were in the shark's m= outh. To the left was another little dock area with paddle boats, but no at= tendant was present. We turned right and walked around a large building, which turned out to be = the old arcade. We walked up the stairs and inside it. There were the usual= violent video games. There was a small Skee-ball section. There were lots = of roll-the-coin style games that returned prize tickets. The one lone pinb= all machine was RollerCoaster Tycoon. We walked out the other end of the ar= cade and were back in front of the kiddie coaster. The ride operator was si= tting there looking rather bored. Not one customer was in sight. Karen aske= d him when the gift shop opened. He replied it should have already been ope= ned. As we walked away back toward the dock, he called out to us, "It's ope= n!" The garage door on the shop was just being raised. So we doubled back, = hoping to find some unique (or at least quaint) souvenirs. There were lots = of generic gifts, but only a few items with the word "Quassy" stamped on th= em. Even their bumper sticker was uninteresting. So we walked back around by the dock and headed right. There was a Yo-Yo sp= inning around with a few customers in it. We passed the Paratrooper and cam= e to the Mad Mouse. The ride's sign was laying on the ground. Maintenance p= eople were crawling over the ride. A welder was repairing a section of trac= k. It didn't look like the ride was going to be operational any time soon. = And that was a shame, because it looked like a pretty exciting ride, a sort= of cross between a Mouse and a Wildcat. It was odd that the Mad Mouse sign= was there at all; the park calls the ride, "Monster Roller Coaster." Nearb= y was also a Himalaya and an ice cream booth. By then several buses had pulled in and the park was rapidly filling up. Ka= ren spotted the Quassy Restaurant, so we walked in. It was a bit small, but= nicely laid out with a rustic knotty pine look. Pictures of Quassy from th= e past adorned the walls. The menu was pretty decent, with everything from = the usual burgers and dogs, to tuna sandwiches and even veggie burgers. But= it was still a bit early for lunch. So I looked at Karen. "Well, what woul= d you like to do?" It was a sad sort of question to ask, indicating that th= ere was really nothing in the park that got us too excited. Neither of us w= ere into spin-and-barf rides. The big coaster was down. Everything else was= for kids. "Want to try the train?" I asked. So we walked over to the ticke= t booth. One side of it had an automated ticket dispenser, but it was close= d. So I went up to the window. "I'd like two tickets for the train." The at= tendant mumbled something from behind the glass that sounded to me like, "T= hat'll be a dollar." So I pushed a dollar under the glass. She said, "That's SIX dolla= rs!" I looked at Karen, my eyes wide in disbelief. I pushed a five dollar b= ill under the glass. She gave us two tickets. We took a seat on the train. There were a few other people on it. The young= conductor took our tickets and said, "I'm just going to wait a few minutes= for the carousel to stop." So we sat there quietly. A large group was mill= ing about in a picnic pavilion across the tracks to the left of the train. = It appeared they had settled down in the wrong spot, because they were coll= ecting all their things and wandering back out onto the midway, looking a b= it lost. The conductor returned and started up the engine. He pressed a button on a = pole to his left and engaged the throttle. He didn't waste any time. The tr= ain picked up speed and flew through a small tunnel, beginning its counter-= clockwise arc around the big grassy field. At the far end of the arc there = were two tiny buildings that could have come from Storytown, just sitting i= solated under some trees on the other side of the tracks. In less than a mi= nute we were back at the station. Karen and I looked at each other. But sur= prisingly, the conductor didn't stop. He smacked a button on a pole to his = right and blew right through the station. We went around a second time, and= then he stopped. So really, the ride cost us each only about $1.50 per min= ute. That wasn't too bad. We walked on past the kiddie coaster, which appeared to be testing. Two wor= kers were with the ride operator, and they were all discussing something. W= e walked back to the dock and took a right and then a left. There was a pat= h lined with old Hershell and Mangels kiddie rides, all surrounded by chain= link fence. The path turned back up toward the Mad Mouse. There was a sort = of bath house nearby that was also the ticket booth for Saturation Station,= their recently-added water play area. That brought us back to the park ent= rance. I looked at Karen and sighed. We had only been there about a half-ho= ur and we were ready to go. For kids, Quassy would be a great place to go. The employees all seemed ver= y pleasant. The nightly specials (Friday was 25 cent night; Saturday was Ca= rload night) made it a great bargain for families. But for us, there was ju= st nothing to do. I was really surprised at how tiny the park was. We could= walk from one end to the other in a couple of minutes. Although we do simp= ly enjoy a park atmosphere, Quassy felt more like a hastily set-up carnival= . There were very few places to simply sit and relax. Some benches beside t= he shoreline would have been nice. I'm really glad that the park is still a= round, and I wish it continued success. It does fulfill a need for families= with young children who can't afford the "big" parks. Karen and I got in our car and drove the short distance back up Route 84 to= Lake Compounce. Parking there was still five dollars. The lot was moderate= ly full. Most of the cars were being directed to the back of the lot. The f= ront 1/3 of the parking lot was filled with buses. As we walked up the path= toward the tunneled entrance, we saw the new banners advertising the park'= s 160th anniversary. The staff parking lot still held the three dozen trail= ers containing the old Busch monorail. As we walked toward the ticket booths, Karen noticed that the figures in th= e clock tower had been repaired and were all spinning. The carillon was pla= ying brightly. There was a little Cadillac car, like those on the Great Esc= apes auto ride, sitting off to the right. A sign announced a new car ride f= or 2007. Karen had a discount coupon, but even so the entry price cost us a= bout $32 each. In contrast with Quassy, where most of the buildings were wh= ite, Compounce was a blast of color. Main Street looked like a rainbow had = spilled across it. A staff member handed us an entertainment schedule as we= entered. The midway was packed thick with people, many kids from school an= d camp groups. We were baking from the heat, so we headed for the Thunder C= anyon Rapids ride. We passed by the water park, which was mobbed with peopl= e. Oddly, the new lazy river ride was running but completely empty and unst= affed. The beautiful swan boats were all sitting at the dock. We walked the= long path between the Trolley and Boulder Dash. There wasn't a very long line for Th= under Canyon. It's odd how the ride is so far away from the rest of the mid= way. As usual, we got completely drenched. So to dry off, we followed our routin= e of climbing aboard the Sky Ride, the half-hour trip across the Compounce = mountain range. That's probably my favorite ride in the park. I still get n= ervous on the return trip; it's so high up in the air. We landed back on so= lid ground somewhat drier. We walked to the south end of the park to catch = the C.P. Huntington train. The landscaping at the south station had been im= proved and was looking quite nice. The leisurely train ride brought us back= to Main Street, where we indulged in some Potato Patch fries. After devour= ing them and filling up with free drinks, we headed toward the north end of= the park. There were some new game booths scattered about. There was also = a new stage wedged between the Zoomerang and Circus World (kiddieland). Kar= en wondered why there was no covering for the audience; the benches were ou= t in the blazing sun. The show was called "Cirque en Vol" and the descripti= on promised "urban acrobats." The stage backdrop was a cartoonish apartment building. = Over the stage was a trampoline. A voice behind us said, "It's a really goo= d show. You should catch it." We turned around and it was Coaster Tony. He = said he'd gotten back from Holiday World, and that Voyage was already start= ing to rip itself apart. He also said he was disappointed in Boulder Dash; = it too was running rough. We chatted for a while. It sounded as if his inte= rest in coasters was beginning to wane; he was much more enthusiastic about= baseball. To the north of the Zoomerang, a huge new cinderblock and steel building wa= s rising. It looked like a new maintenance garage. Turning left up the hill= , the old Rock n' Roll Diner was now the Parkside Diner with a different me= nu. We headed for Saw Mill Plunge. And then we saw the park's newest ride, = Thunder and Lightning (an S&S Screamin' Swing). It was squeezed in between = the Giant Wheel and Saw Mill Plunge. The ride's supports were absolutely ma= ssive, much larger than I expected. The park did a nice job landscaping the= area; the queue was lined with trees and the front of the ride sported two= colorful lightning bolts embedded in the ground. There was a "weather stat= ion" to the right with an animatronic forecaster who would broadcast the we= ather from time to time. (Naturally, the forecast was always for thunder an= d lightning.) It seemed to take forever to load the ride, and there appeare= d to be several false starts. But when the ride got up to speed it was incr= edibly noisy, sounding like a gigantic asthmatic dragon. The area between Thunder and Lightning and Saw Mill Plunge got a makeover a= s well, with fake felled trees and sawblades protruding from them. There wa= s also some sort of big maintenance building next to Plunge's lift hill tha= t looked like an old log cabin. The venerable Arrow flume delivered another= great ride. I loved the ride up the mountain and the trip through the tree= s. I wished it was a little longer. It was still one of the best rides in t= he park. After getting mildly wet, Karen and I stood in front of Thunder and Lightni= ng and watched it run. It moved a lot slower than I expected. I really coul= dn't see much difference between it and the Pirate Ship ride opposite it. T= hey both seemed designed to produce the same sensation. It was just that th= e new ride had a smaller capacity and a slightly higher arc. Across from Th= under and Lightning, I noticed the old Enterprise had been given a complete= makeover. It looked like the park got all new cabs for it and gave it a fr= esh coat of paint. Actually, it didn't even look like the same ride. The ca= bs were a glistening copper color. Since we were right in front of it, Karen and I hopped a ride on the Giant = Wheel, which looked uncomfortably cramped so close to Thunder and Lightning= . We had a nice long ride, and were stopped at the top for a while. We watc= hed Boulder Dash climb its steep lift, plummet down the curving drop and th= en fly off into the forest. After the Giant Wheel, it was time for Boulder = Dash. We passed by a new concession: a mini-donut stand. Yeah, more of that= healthy park food.... Boulder Dash was running both trains, and there wasn= 't much of a line. After about ten minutes, we were in front seat. We remem= bered what Tony had said, so both Karen and I got ready to ride defensively= . And sure enough, after we plunged down the first drop, the nose of the tr= ain began to shimmy and slap against the track. The wood had begun to turn = a light gray. It looked like the first layer of track laminate new, but the= rest of the wood looked dried and worn. The train flew through the course = at an alarming speed; it was the fastest I ever remember it. It hardly slowed at= all as we crested the turnaround. But the train also rattled and vibrated = violently. We hit the brake run hard. It really was an exhilarating ride, b= ut also exhausting. The coaster seemed to need a little more TLC. The track= didn't appear to have been greased lately (maybe because management didn't= want the ride running any faster than it already was). But I'm not sure gr= ease would have helped. Comparing that ride to how the coaster ran when it = opened, I'd prefer the latter. Six years ago, I knew it was a great coaster= and I couldn't wait to ride it again. But as the ride gradually became mor= e physically punishing, my desire to re-ride it decreased. It's still a gre= at coaster; just not one my body can take anymore. The old Riverside Cyclon= e was like that -- a great coaster but not one I could ride twice in one da= y. After that we wandered into the nearby gift shop. When Compounce had the ol= d Carousel Corner gift shop, it carried some of the best souvenirs of any p= ark I'd been to. And I bought almost every one they made. But when the Caro= usel Corner was replace by the Carousel Cafe the unique gifts seemed to van= ish, replaced by more generic items. Sure, there were still sweatshirts tha= t had "Lake Compounce" written on them, but nothing like the old sweatshirt= s that had an image of the park's Main Street stitched into them. We walked= by the beautiful carousel, its authentic band organ still cheerily playing= . And then we stopped in the Crok Pot restaurant for a bite to eat. Karen g= ot a big tasty salad and I got a slice of delicious pizza from Harborside P= izza next door, along with some more free drinks. After that, it was about = 3:30 and we decided to call it a day. We made one last stop in the Yankee E= mporium to see if maybe they had any decent souvenirs, but left there empty= -handed. Lake Compounce offered us a lot more variety than Quassy and we certainly s= pent more money there. I was glad to see that the next ride Compounce adds = is going to be one for the whole family. Thunder and Lightning did have a r= elatively small footprint, so it was probably a good fit for the park. But = I wish they had found a ride with a different sensation. Compounce could ha= ve been one of the few parks in the world to get an S&S Screamin' Squirrel = coaster, which has a very small footprint. But overall the park seemed to b= e doing well, with a good mix of rides and activities. The difference betwe= en the two parks is interesting. Quassy had lots of rides for little kids a= nd teens, but very little for adults. In that way it was like Mountain Park= , which had similar rides but also a huge picnic area, polka and Bingo in t= he pavilion for adults. Lake Compounce may have achieved that delicate bala= nce, providing enjoyment for small fry, teens and adults. And they've done = it while maintaining a coherent look to the midway. That's a difficult feat. Now if= they could just give Boulder Dash a little more TLC.... Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 23:23:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28295 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2006 06:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2006 06:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 06:23:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2006 06:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2006 06:23:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:23:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060617211652.32200.qmail@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.130.106.247 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Faster Coasters Have Reliability Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=qgFzULNcc1nvmoDQB--63x0Z-OsrMA06StZ3MlzZ_MkjRGV1O6gT X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Well no, duh. I'm amazed that these rides operate at all.=20=20 > Interesting that X wasn't mentioned; that was probably the most=20 > complex coaster ever built. Yeah; you can just about be guaranteed to wait extra-long in the line for X for technical difficulties. =20 > How does Kingda Ka compare with Superman: The Escape? It seems like > S:TE had many more problems (and more costly ones) than KK did. Well, S:TE is a simpler layout, just a launch up and then brakes on the way down. I don't know the details of the differences in the launching mechanisms, but S:TE is LSM and KK is hydraulic. But another key difference is that S:TE opened 8 years before KK did, so presumably Intamin had 8 more years of experience trying to get things to work right before Kingda Ka opened. > It would be interesting, too, to compare the down time of high-tech > coasters with the down time of high tech rides like Haunted Mansion > or Mine of the Lost Souls. The dark rides will often still run as=20 > long as the people-movers are working, but often the stunts fail to > operate properly. To me, that's a malfunctioning ride, because the > stunts are what make or break the ride. Actually, in all the many, many times I've been to Disneyland, I've never seen a trick on the Haunted Mansion fail to work. What is quite common is to be stuck momentarily, but generally what causes that is pausing to let a handicapped guest onto the ride. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat Jun 17 23:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31323 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2006 06:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2006 06:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 06:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5957 invoked by uid 99); 18 Jun 2006 06:35:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060618063526.5956.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 18 Jun 2006 01:35:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 69.218.136.194 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Faster Coasters Have Reliability Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=rK0tEQtTiiegt9kouHQA-lEKOXP76aNyzrzJzEbKc4XqCYnU X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Regarding Jay's comment, S:TE is much simpler in design (in concept) than KK or TTD. From RCDB: http://www.rcdb.com/ig140.htm?picture=4 The biggest difference is that S:TE is an "up and back" rather than an "up and over the top". The problem wit KK or TTD is that if you do not get enough speed, you end up with a roll-back situation whereas with S:TE, the ride completes it cycle normally (it just does not go as far up the tower.) From what I remember reading at the time S:TE opened, most of the problems were with the LSM launch system, both in terms of operation/power-consumption and slower than expected launch speed. > ... > > How does Kingda Ka compare with Superman: The Escape? It seems like S:TE had many more problems (and more costly ones) than KK did. > ... > > Jay > > > Dave Rounds From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Jun 18 00:48:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9063 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2006 07:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2006 07:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 07:48:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2006 07:48:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2006 07:48:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:48:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.147.214 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Scandia Amusement Park, June 16, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=VR4jedefSnagxGvigS18dJxUzZm_kdolM3kw5ug8tQoYrVJSakdl X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani One of my coaster-related goals this year is to check out the various small parks around Southern California that have coasters. So Friday night we combined a shopping trip to Ontario Mills with a park trip to Scandia Amusement park, just a couple miles down the freeway. Scandia is basically a miniature golf park with some extra rides, the most notable of which is the Scandia Screamer, a steel Miler coaster with an 80' drop. On summer weekends, the park is open until 1 AM, which is pretty cool, especially when you get there at 11 PM. POP bracelets are $20.95 for adults, but that includes unlimited golf, go-karts, and rides, including the coaster. If you just want unlimited golf (they have two courses), it's $7.95. We got the bracelets after getting assurances that everything would be open till about 1, and headed straight for the Screamer. We both liked the Screamer a lot. It was a very basic no-frills coaster that still packed in a lot of thrills and fun. The layout takes you around the footprint of the ride three times, starting with the big hills and getting progressively smaller. No tricks, but lots of airtime, some on the big hills but a lot on the smaller ones. Lots of head-choppers, too--- the operator tells you to "keep your arms inside the car or you will lose them." This ride reminded me a lot of the Hi-Miler coaster that tours with Ray Cammack Shows, except I think this one may have been a bit bigger. Similar idea, though ---- a simple steel coaster packing a bunch of hills and airtime onto a small footprint. We re-rode it once, and would have come back for more if we'd had more time. The operator was pretty good, too, keeping an eye on the ride as it went through the first few hills to make sure it made it through; he explained to us that they needed heavier people in the front and back and that there were certain limits on operating the coaster in high winds. Scandia also has several other rides, including some kiddie ones (incl. a kiddie coaster) and bumper boats but also a Gravitron, a Scrambler, and a couple other spin-and-pukes. If we had had more time, I might have actually tried one, but as it was, we just had time for the two rides on the Screamer, a trip down the big slide, one session on the go-karts, and 18 holes of miniature golf. I liked the landscaping on the golf; the buildings all looked freshly-painted, moving door-flaps were all working, etc. The whole park is landscaped nicely, and as a nice touch they name all the rides after things in Scandinavia and include little "Did You Know?" signs about the namesake locations. The arcade had what seemed like a pretty substantial collection of different redemption games along with the video games. Of note also was a small motion simulator (that I didn't ride) that had your choice of video from 6 different Cedar Point coasters. We liked this place; the bracelet would have been a better deal if we'd had more time to maybe do a couple mroe rides or another round of golf, but as it was we did manage to amortize our bracelets compared to buying tickets for each attraction. Even without the Screamer this place would be on the upper end of typical miniature golf parks, but the Screamer was a load of fun. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net Sun Jun 18 21:17:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: iggyandsvetlana@everestkc.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9709 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 04:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 04:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net) (66.174.76.155) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 04:17:25 -0000 Received: from IGGY (smtp.vzwmail.net [66.174.76.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5J4HNLt015043 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:17:24 GMT To: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <012901c69357$41b9eee0$6501a8c0@IGGY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaTVyKXVRWZKneCQ4Coa6zgpqPTIQAAAWUg X-Originating-IP: 66.174.76.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: "IGGY & Svetlana" Subject: Our July and August roller coaster park hopping marathon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147258539; y=l76esb67etpc1Y9Gi7kFgOjjsN5HfgUEGHJQyJLGVpuY X-Yahoo-Profile: iggykc This is the link of the parks we are hoping to hit this summer - East Coast and South will be in August. Kind of handy to keep it on the map so you can map everything out and plan the trip. http://local.live.com/?v=2&cid=9B6DF5061F2F511C!101 Sincerely, IGGY From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Jun 19 07:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59001 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 14:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 14:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 14:32:14 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so858382uge for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr2039992hur; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0606190731v6c73d8b1pd6507792a0a4c38d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:31:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Goliath POV? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=asOIz6c93NKySjAZkXzGWYn_RDoxSwbVY7NDPejbddHf7Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Is there video POV out there for Goliath at La Ronde or SFOG? Thanks, Adam From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 08:03:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73013 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 14:57:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 14:57:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:57:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=ED_4DneMIdKZUcJ8tSGeZvKkUbLNkg9mktMH14kuHLhZCSuMmPfjUVk X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Made it to Geuaga Lake on Father's Day for my first park outing of=20 the summer and had a great time! It was me, my fiance, and daughter=20 and some of my fiance's family. The weather was perfect and the=20 crowd was extremely light. The longest I waited in line was 10=20 minutes for X-Flight so I was very happy for that. I got to ride=20 everything but Double Loop, Steel Venom, and the Beaverland Mine=20 Ride. So here is the breakdown on the coasters I rode this trip: Raging Wolf Bobs- So much better than the last time I rode it. I am=20 so glad that they refurbished this coaster because it's actually=20 rideable and fun now. Not a lot of airtime, which is what I love,=20 but a fun ride. Didn't feel near as beat up as the last time I rode=20 it! Thunderhawk- First time I've ever been stranded on a coaster! I=20 was on the second car and right as the first car was headind down=20 the hill the thing shutdown! Me and my fiance's nephew where=20 stranded at the top of the hill for probably ten minutes before it=20 started again. Apparently the whole county lost power. Wow, what a=20 view we had! I was waving at the rest of the family over in the=20 kids zone but they didn't realize it was us. I was just trying to=20 keep Josh calm though because he was starting to get a little=20 nervous! The ride took off finally and it seemed a little better=20 than the last time I rode it but maybe just because I was glad to=20 get on with it! The Villain- Rode this one twice. Once in a middle car and once=20 upfront. The front seat seemed the way to go. A good solid woodie.=20=20 I like the new colors of red and black instead of the white and=20 black. Just looks cooler. Not a ton of airtime but great for that=20 out of control feeling. Headspin- My first boomerang and possibly my last! Cool concept=20 and it was thrilling getting drawn back and let go but man did I=20 have a headache! Atleast I can say I've rode one now. Big Dipper- One of my favorite woodies. Definetly needs rode in the=20 back for airtime. Rode once in the middle and didn't feel near as=20 much airtime as I remembered the last time I rode it so I tried in=20 the back and there it was. Airtime!! This one is definelty an=20 oldie but goodie! I only wish I could have rode it at night. X-Flight- First time for this one and had a blast! Got to ride it=20 twice, once in the front and once in the back and I really don't=20 know that one was better than the other. I only wish it was a=20 little faster with a little bigger lift hill. I'm sure this isn't=20 the best flying coaster but I definetly like the concept. I would=20 still have to say as far as steel inverted's are my favorite style. Dominator- Only got to ride it once because it was down in the=20 morning and I rode it in the middle. I have yet to ride it in the=20 front car which I'm sure is the best seat. This is a great coaster=20 in my opinion. In fact I just rode Kraken this winter and I'm not=20 sure which I like better. I love the speed of Dominator and of=20 course the huge loop. I only wish I could have rode it a few more=20 times! We also spent a lot of time in the waterpark which was great. The=20 new wave pool was really nice and the kids area was a blast. My=20 daughter had a wonderful time. I didn't ride any of the big=20 waterslides because I spent all my time at the waterpark with my=20 daughter who is 3 and a half so I watched her go down all the little=20 slides. She will definetly be riding coasters with Dad!! Her face=20 was one of pure joy going down the slides!! I was really impressed=20 with the kidszone also. Bailey(my daughter)had her first ride on=20 the tree hopper there and that was great. I think she rode that one=20 about half a dozen times!! Well there it is. Hope this helped out=20 some. Matt From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 19 08:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46103 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 15:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 15:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 15:29:41 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i28so1306541nzi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr1136290qbq; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:29:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=o8_osBGW80gOF81GebIZOQ7myk1mFpFn96BRJ31TcDlMqUPB004AASM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The Villain- Rode this one twice. Once in a middle car and once > upfront. The front seat seemed the way to go. A good solid woodie. I know Geuga Lake has been doing a lot of work on Raging Wolf Bobs, but have they done anything significant to the Villain? This was truly a great coaster the first year it opened, but it turned into a piece of junk soon afterward. I haven't been there in several years...has this ride improved? > Headspin- My first boomerang and possibly my last! Cool concept > and it was thrilling getting drawn back and let go but man did I > have a headache! Some Boomerangs are smoother than others. The ones that run the newer-style Vekoma trains (post-1996) are the best (TGE, Lake Compounce, SFDL, SFMW etc) > Dominator- Only got to ride it once because it was down in the > morning and I rode it in the middle. I have yet to ride it in the > front car which I'm sure is the best seat. This is a great coaster > in my opinion. Agreed. After Villain fell apart, Dominator became the only real reason to visit Geauga Lake. But you're right - it really is a great ride. I actually seem to remember the back seat being the best because it has a really unique feeling being pulled down the curving drop. The drop off the midcourse is good too. The best rides on Kraken are in the front. Glad you had a good time. No Steel Venom? -Nate From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jun 19 09:08:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95010 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 16:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 16:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 16:08:56 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.51b.6f5388 (39955) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51b.6f5388.31c82609@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:08:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5314 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Goliath POV? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=MguQPn_gJ2vzSMvjrSsivXsFhktD3jeZ0jJ2xip2-EPmL4MFvO5T X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php?mforum=thrillzone&showtopic=385_ (http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php?mforum=thrillzone&showtopic=385) The sites in French. -Dainan _www.northeastcoasters.com_ (http://www.northeastcoasters.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 09:21:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4430 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 16:20:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 16:19:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 16:19:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:18:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=FYUoktGxOHBGYCAs31I3-F5Knm4KvAeGBgNGkLIO4joxAZ_4W5j_kdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > >=20 >=20 > I know Geuga Lake has been doing a lot of work on Raging Wolf Bobs, > but have they done anything significant to the Villain? This was > truly a great coaster the first year it opened, but it turned into=20 a > piece of junk soon afterward. I haven't been there in several > years...has this ride improved? Well Nate I think they did work on the Villain some but I really=20 didn't notice that different of a ride from the last time I rode it=20 which was like a couple of years ago. It may have been just a=20 little smoother but not much. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Some Boomerangs are smoother than others. The ones that run the > newer-style Vekoma trains (post-1996) are the best (TGE, Lake > Compounce, SFDL, SFMW etc) >=20 That's good to know because it is a cool concept just really rough. > >=20 >=20 > Agreed. After Villain fell apart, Dominator became the only real > reason to visit Geauga Lake. But you're right - it really is a=20 great > ride. I actually seem to remember the back seat being the best > because it has a really unique feeling being pulled down the=20 curving > drop. The drop off the midcourse is good too. The best rides on > Kraken are in the front. =20 I'll remember that next time I go. So which do you like better=20 Dominator or Kraken?? >=20 > Glad you had a good time. No Steel Venom? >=20 > Nope. It's eluded me on two visits now.=20 Matt > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 19 09:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90130 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 16:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 16:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 16:41:07 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z3so944360nzf for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.157.13 with SMTP id j13mr4699696qbo; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:41:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zQlrogYJDcrjUHbWq67TZzrhzZNhTMMFkuMLxJojdBVsiymX7FihrJY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Well Nate I think they did work on the Villain some but I really > didn't notice that different of a ride from the last time I rode it > which was like a couple of years ago. It may have been just a > little smoother but not much. It's good to hear that they may be putting some work into it. It used to be a really good, really smooth, air-filled ride...but that was years ago. > I'll remember that next time I go. So which do you like better > Dominator or Kraken?? I prefer Kraken but not by much. They're both on my top ten list and only separated by Kumba. > > Glad you had a good time. No Steel Venom? > > > > Nope. It's eluded me on two visits now. That's too bad, as these are really fun rides IMO. -Nate From jophish17@comcast.net Mon Jun 19 14:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42239 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.89) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 21:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 21:37:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:37:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0606190731v6c73d8b1pd6507792a0a4c38d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.32.70.132 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: Goliath POV? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=Bu4yVhVyRFZiG4dxbvkSY43wmzuKSi7ixjJD5TO66crP3UvD X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > Is there video POV out there for Goliath at La Ronde or SFOG? >=20 > Thanks, > Adam > Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia: http://www.rollercoasterpro.com/onride_videos/goliath_sfog/GOLIATHpov.wmv Not park approved, but it will suffice I suppose. - Joe From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jun 22 12:27:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89930 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:27:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:27:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:27:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:27:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:27:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: odd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=9_KHW8VDYBJa898D2o-zjAUgLeM_mAplPRRNzXk0hYoZjpS_V7qlb_qfxA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 where did everyone go? no posts since 3 days ago?! is everyone at a=20 park but me at the moment?!? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jun 22 12:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45242 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:33:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:33:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:33:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 19:33:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:33:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: new CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=efvouG06ZTkx2k4TaQ_tp5uTx1mgFmXEQFAsRHMgBaWoLZFXUZ3IMrqfPA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so RCDB is claiming that its going to be a sit down variety. has this=20 been confirmed? and im assuming intamin is making this one too? From serpmage@juno.com Thu Jun 22 14:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32560 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 21:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 21:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 21:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 21:23:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 21:23:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 21:23:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:23:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.20.220.76 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: new CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=AHPZLN0hAANFRcoWh1fj1F5G4M1Q6gJ9tX-SbaYKnLaHB0XnHA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > so RCDB is claiming that its going to be a sit down variety. has this=20 > been confirmed? and im assuming intamin is making this one too? > Yes, it has been eerily slow lately. If you look at screamscape, Lance has some pretty compelling arguments=20 for what he thinks it might be, complete with links to a German patent=20 filing. If it ends up even remotely resembling the drawings in the=20 patent, it'll look cool, but it also looks like an extremely=20 inefficient design, the trains look HUGE for the number of people that=20 they hold. Considering CP took off the mock engines out of the TTD=20 trains so that they could get those extra 2 people per run, I could=20 easily imagine them requesting a more compact design than the original=20 sketches. Though patents do tend to be fairly general to encompass as=20 much ground as they can. If nothing else though, it does promise to be=20 something new to look at, and being Intamin it promises to at least not=20 be a tooth rattler like some of the other aging coasters in the park. Tim N. (Moving to Va in 9 days!) From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 16:25:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39923 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2006 23:25:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:25:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Academic paper on SoCal theme park attendance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=jUkKSTeR13h1MOL9BudbOTFhWDYrXOKZqrIxbS8vZ4FqZQ6DKaU9 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani UCLA's Anderson School of Management has an Entertainment and Media=20 Management Institute with a number of fascinating-looking academic=20 papers on the entertainment industry: http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x1128.xml Among the papers you can read complete .pdfs of is "Southern=20 California Theme Park Attendance," which applies some analysis to=20 various potential attendance factors and reaches some interesting=20 conclusions: Color: http://tinyurl.com/lcdmd B&W: http://tinyurl.com/le9ss Its main conclusion is that attendance is correlated most closely=20 with regional population, and that year-to-year fluctuations are=20 largely attributable to economic factors. Weather, surprisingly, was=20 found to have almost no correlation with attendance in Southern=20 California, as was the opening of new attractions. It would be interesting to see a similar analysis on parks in other=20 areas where weather might be more of a factor, although they point=20 out that the three hurricanes to hit central Florida in 2004=20 corresponded with a 5% increase in attendance. As for new attractions, all of the studied theme parks in Southern=20 California are big-budgeted parks backed by large corporations, with=20 reputations for adding attractions on a regular basis. It might be=20 interesting to compare attendance patterns with parks that have=20 expanded significantly over a few years' time, or also with parks=20 that have stagnated or have tighter budgets. Taking a closer look at=20 local visitors vs. destination travelers might be instructive, too. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 16:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1074 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.58) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 23:30:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 61349 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 23:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060622233046.61347.qmail@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.4.32] by web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:30:46 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:30:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Whalom Park rezoning update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lbf0Cq_bw8vSyAHutXQnKQBPK5NP0w4kf4Fe1cBbUXrDpcfSeHgs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received this from Allyson Bowen. It's primarily for anyone who liv= es in the Fitchburg/Lunenburg area. But it's interesting that she hasn't = given up the fight; she's just changed her desired outcome a bit and made i= t a bit more realistic. Jay =3D=3D=3D Next TUESDAY is your LAST CHANCE to support the re-use of the former=20 Whalom Park property for the public interest. VOTE in favor of taking=20 the park property by eminent domain at the Lunenburg Town Meeting,=20 Tuesday, June 27, 2006 at 7:00 PM at Lunenburg High School. This is not about looking backward and trying to recapture the Whalom=20 Park of the past. This is about taking charge of the situation and=20 looking forward =96 standing for sensible development for land that has=20 been a PUBLIC RECREATION ground since the mid 19th century. The Emerald Place development that has been approved and is slated to=20 be built at the site consists of 240 condominium units. Emerald Place=20 is one of four new developments planned in the town of Lunenburg=20 totaling close to 1000 new units of housing in a town of only 9,600 residen= ts.=20=20 This explosion of development not only changes the fabric of the=20 community, but also places extreme stress on the town infrastructure. By taking the Whalom Park property by eminent domain, the town and the=20 surrounding communities have the opportunity to see the site=20 redeveloped for public recreation and sensible growth. For answers to your questions regarding the process and the benefits,=20 please visit the website: www.whalom.com. If you are a Lunenburg resident and a registered voter, please VOTE YES=20 on Article 8 at the Town Meeting on June 27, 2006 at 7:00 PM at=20 Lunenburg High School. The text of Article 8 reads as follows: Article 8. To see if the Town will vote to authorize the Board of=20 Selectmen to take, by eminent domain, for redevelopment purposes of an open= =20 blighted area, a certain parcel of land described as Assessors Map 82,=20 parcel 237, =3D 36.6 acres [former Whalom Park property] and; to=20 appropriate up to the sum of $5,000,000.00 to be paid to the record owner o= f=20 said property or its assignee, in compensation for said taking and; to=20 fund this appropriation, to authorize the Treasurer with the approval of=20 the Board of Selectmen to borrow said $5,000,000.00 in accordance with=20 the provisions of G.L. Ch. 44, or take any other action relative=20 thereto. If you are a local resident and would like to support the effort by=20 reaching out to other supporters in the town of Lunenburg, please contact=20 them=85 and us. Sincerely, Allyson Bowen =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there=92s m= uch more to come.=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 22 17:33:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89492 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B19A72 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:33:18 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20B8920F-F74C-4E8E-AC8E-CBFA483A8001@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:33:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] odd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=97HfCKnLX1VUAr26UUzQMLPtBu5CaBeJMGr6NqLM_htzBUsy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I'm still going through over 500 photos I took in the UK.. When I'm done, I promise I'll blabber non-stop about how awesome Nemesis is! On Jun 22, 2006, at 14:27, Doug Nelson wrote: > where did everyone go? no posts since 3 days ago?! is everyone at a > park but me at the moment?!? > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email > design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** There was a sandwich * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** in my head! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jun 22 17:57:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62793 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 00:57:28 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i3so534083wra for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.125.17 with SMTP id x17mr2206548qbc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e17sm1478413qba.2006.06.22.17.55.21; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:55:22 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:55:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <20B8920F-F74C-4E8E-AC8E-CBFA483A8001@buzzneon.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaWXM3EF7Y5SBioRMakYMrij4EddQAAqqig Message-ID: <449b3bfa.06cbe886.22a2.15d9@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=fgrX9M3ghWXVpLYJfhAqA1JCcW09qvVLPbLsorumHCjJ8bk X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said today they are considering selling: Six Flags Magic Mtn. Darien Lake Waterworld Concord Elitch Gardens Wild Waves/Enchanted Village Splash Town in Houston Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 17:58:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49392 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 00:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 00:51:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 00:51:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:51:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Academic paper on SoCal theme park attendance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=VnKpuJjAGH82ktbdY7yo2d72ub314gqpEaD_ZBHyDAwGF3LItbp8 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > Weather, surprisingly, was=20 > found to have almost no correlation with attendance in Southern=20 > California, as was the opening of new attractions. That conjunction would have made more sense if I had written "nor was=20 the opening" instead of "as was the opening." Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jun 22 20:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63254 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 03:47:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 03:47:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 03:47:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:47:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <449b3bfa.06cbe886.22a2.15d9@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=LH11hgd9fnDvRumw9qvySrJF4R2T6suc1xfwAJlC62IGmbSK8A X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said t> selling: >=20 > Six Flags Magic Mtn. >=20 > Darien Lake=20 > Waterworld Concord=20 > Elitch Gardens=20 > Wild Waves/Enchanted Village=20 > Splash Town in Houston >=20 > Adam Actually, I think they'd be better off giving it away to the first person w= ho can successfully=20 climb up on of those stupid rope ladders! Maybe Cedar Fair will buy SFMM so all the westcoaste(r) kids will shut up a= nd quit saying=20 they're in COMPETITION with each other! haha just my 2 abe lincoln's jeRemy d From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jun 22 21:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6206 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 04:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 04:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 04:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28936 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jun 2006 04:18:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623041835.28935.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 22 Jun 2006 23:18:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.149.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=GSg8aSvVBY8cD5EgeQ_w7zL8lOiyyx9aXj-8E0Szji_1hA7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I saw the story on Netscape News this evening. Apparently they did not make the announcement until after the stock markets closed today. > > Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said today they are considering > selling: > > > > Six Flags Magic Mtn. > > Darien Lake > Waterworld Concord > Elitch Gardens > Wild Waves/Enchanted Village > Splash Town in Houston > > > > Adam > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dave Rounds From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jun 22 21:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87136 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 04:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 04:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 04:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 909 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jun 2006 04:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623042852.908.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 22 Jun 2006 23:28:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.149.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=YZ5G03iJ7_sPIf_Lgm6lfdJh579YtqCe9Bhw-gETp66mVAD1 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Here is the article from "Marketwatch" on Netwcape News > > Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said today they are considering selling: > Six Flags Magic Mtn. > Darien Lake > Waterworld Concord > Elitch Gardens > Wild Waves/Enchanted Village > Splash Town in Houston > Six Flags tumbles on deal proposal Company looks to shed six noncore properties By Russ Britt, MarketWatch Last Update: 6:55 PM ET Jun 22, 2006 LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- Shares of Six Flags Inc. dropped nearly a fifth of their value in after-hours trading Thursday after the theme- park company said that it was looking to shed six properties as part of its initiative to sell off noncore assets. Parks near Los Angeles, Houston, Seattle and Denver, as well as properties in Buffalo, N.Y. and Concord, Calif., are up for possible sale. The company said that it is unsure whether it would sell the properties in a single transaction or in a series of deals; it could also dismantle and reuse rides and attractions elsewhere and sell the real estate. Late-trading investors dealt the shares down at $6.01, off 19.3% from the regular close of $7.45, which was up 5 cents. Six Flags has been looking to reorganize itself since December, when Chairman Daniel Snyder forced out management at the underperforming company. Former ESPN executive Mark Shapiro took the helm as chief executive at the time. He announced the plans to deal the properties Thursday. "We're making progress with our strategy to focus on the growth of our strongest assets, reduce the company's debt and generate increased value for our shareholders," Shapiro said in a statement. The proposed properties include Six Flags Magic Mountain and Hurricane Harbor near Los Angeles; Six Flags Darien Lake near Buffalo; Six Flags Waterworld in Concord; and Six Flags Elitch Gardens in Denver. Also on the list are Wild Waves and Enchanted Village outside Seattle and Six Flags Splashdown in Houston. The move is one of several the company has made to dispose of some of its assets. It also has sold the land around its Six Flags Astroworld; agreed to sell its Columbus, Ohio, water park for $2 million; and exercised the right to terminate its lease on a water park in Sacramento, Calif. It also is trying to sell its two Oklahoma City parks and has received multiple bids. Further, the company is looking to sell excess real estate in Illinois and Missouri. Six Flags said that sales were up through May 31, but down for the three weeks ended June 18 by 1%. Per-capita guest spending was up, however, by 14% while attendance fell 13%. The company discontinued deep discounts in season passes in an effort to "restore price and brand integrity and to wean ourselves from those teens who don't spend money in the park," Shapiro said in the statement. Attendance was negatively impacted by the season-long closure of the park in New Orleans due to damage from Hurricane Katrina. Russ Britt is the Los Angeles bureau chief for MarketWatch. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 23:17:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13317 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 06:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 06:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 06:17:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 06:16:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 06:16:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:16:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: odd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9kVRCsZWVEZXUFvfl2g5l67IbnL5YXmQHOSg3MmK0pkERSl6Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > where did everyone go? no posts since 3 days ago?! is everyone at a=20 > park but me at the moment?!? > I just got back from the same trip Cameron was on. I have several hundred photos and at least a few video clips to sort through as well. I will start writing up TR's park by park in a couple hours. I have to visit the base. I should be running out to Fuji-Q for my final construction update on Monday.=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 23:21:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46758 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 06:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 06:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 06:21:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 06:21:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 06:21:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:21:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <449b3bfa.06cbe886.22a2.15d9@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=TH-PSvCzkaeC84VTs9LUH8ZesWEtycKligibirGMWrzibFRNOw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam F. Sandy" wrote: > > Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said today they are considering > selling: > Six Flags Magic Mtn. >=20 > Darien Lake=20 > Waterworld Concord=20 > Elitch Gardens=20 > Wild Waves/Enchanted Village=20 > Splash Town in Houston >=20 > Adam I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' park, but it would just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes made in the name of Six Flags.=20 Chris B From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 04:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67383 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 11:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 11:21:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 32927 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2006 11:21:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623112142.32925.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:21:42 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:21:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=9mmwsX25OkKlB3tAeIQ0sebJ4Cj-IwK1QaI_F_mqgLLS2oBr X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Matt wrote: > I got to ride > everything but Double Loop, Steel Venom, and the > Beaverland Mine > Ride. So here is the breakdown on the coasters I > rode this trip: Beaverland Mine ride? I haven't been to that park since 2001 but I dont even recall this name. What ride is that? T.I.A. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jun 23 04:43:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17128 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 11:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 11:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 11:43:32 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ftk3e-0007oh-8F for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:43:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e6455a36075149d5740a3e3712a074d5a5b61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=eouyvHpHHLfdamx_iUkz8FsYybI4mpjag_7E9mRxt-L8P6s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , "Adam F. Sandy" > wrote: > > > > Surprised no one mentioned this, but SF said today they are considering > > selling: > > Six Flags Magic Mtn. > > > > Darien Lake > > Waterworld Concord > > Elitch Gardens > > Wild Waves/Enchanted Village > > Splash Town in Houston > > I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' park, but it would > just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes made in the name of > Six Flags. > That's a good summation of my initial thoughts. I don't see how selling SFMM is going to benefit the company in any way, and can think of a huge number of ways that it's going to hurt them (e.g. removing one of the parks with the largest attendance from one of the largest markets in the country) Seems like it'll finish off the destruction they've wrought on Denver and Elitch Gardens over the years too. Noticed the stock prices took a huge hit, and just as predicted the attendance numbers are off 13% chain wide. So anyone who was a Shapiro fan starting to rethink it yet? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 04:47:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96273 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 11:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 11:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.208) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 11:47:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 4745 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2006 11:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623114541.4743.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:45:41 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:45:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=x17lLcE9x2Y4B2LzoYaH7Rwm63O3iORG6lqCsXypMVxVzzts X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Chris wrote: > I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' > park, but it would > just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes > made in the name of > Six Flags. Oooh! Oooh! A question that I can actually answer! In Shapiros mind, "core parks" are those that would fit into his model of what a SF park should be, i.e. one that is family friendly. With its stunning lack of flats, heavy emphasis on roller coaster and "Xtreme Park" marketing/reputation, SFMM is no longer percived as a "family-friendly" park. To make it into that image would take a fair amount of cash (e.g. fixing the tower/funicular, getting a flat package from Huss/Zamperla) and more importatnly, time. And the most frustrating thing about such a conversion is, that at the end of the day, it would *still* be a substandard product when compared to Disney. Sure, that is okay for a park like SFGAm which is 1500miles away from Disney, but for many SFMM visitors, it's practically just down the street. I think Shapiro feels he cant "out-disney" Disney in Disney's backyard. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 04:51:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45640 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 11:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 11:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 11:51:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 11:51:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 11:51:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:51:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HJgjbi1y2IjytyZGBrKjuFLXn1jJuYZ10oB94AWvk7ukObfAPw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > That's a good summation of my initial thoughts. I don't see how selling=20 > SFMM is going to benefit the company in any way, and can think of a huge=20 > number of ways that it's going to hurt them (e.g. removing one of the=20 > parks with the largest attendance from one of the largest markets in the=20 > country) >=20 > Noticed the stock prices took a huge hit, and just as predicted the=20 > attendance numbers are off 13% chain wide. So anyone who was a Shapiro=20 > fan starting to rethink it yet? >=20 > keep on ridin' > George At least some of that attendance hit has to come from the fact that 6FNO hasn't opened it's doors since Katrina. Does anyone know where that park falls in the order of attendance? A drop from x to 0 is a pretty sizable drop even if it was the smallest park in the chain, and I'm pretty sure that Wyandot, Enchanted Village and a few others are smaller than New Orleans.=20 Chris From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 23 05:06:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96511 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 12:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 12:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 12:06:19 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138D39A72 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5823F41E-584A-4A9F-8B88-D6B31E6C6234@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:06:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hvu0HyqkL87ijDWJwa7ZsMotfrQgwF243ZzZxk5gYOs7Mllj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' park, but it would >> just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes made in the >> name of >> Six Flags. > > That's a good summation of my initial thoughts. I don't see how > selling > SFMM is going to benefit the company in any way, and can think of a > huge > number of ways that it's going to hurt them I was also really surprised by the news .. I'd never had thought they'd get rid of such a big park. However, I've been told that Six Flags was offered $500 Million for the land, and that Magic Mountain loses money for the chain. If that's true (and I have _no_ guarantees that it is) then the sale makes a bit more sense. Does anyone know if Magic Mountain was profitable or not? To me it would make more sense to dump a lot of the smaller parks ... that would mean he'd have less parks to worry about and could pour more energy into those. But then again, I'm a software engineer not a businessman! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jun 23 06:52:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68831 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 13:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 13:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-60.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 13:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 29320 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2006 13:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 13:45:44 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-59.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.59] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ftlyi-0007UG-Ny for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <48C5AE16-6F1C-4451-96F2-11D49E55955A@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:49:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.59 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=02uJwFqj309GTOqCxdIDWsIFMAWKzW4QiVXz11qmIA60uH_whYsR X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' park, but it would >> just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes made in the >> name of >> Six Flags. >> > > That's a good summation of my initial thoughts. I don't see how > selling > SFMM is going to benefit the company in any way, and can think of a > huge > number of ways that it's going to hurt them (e.g. removing one of the > parks with the largest attendance from one of the largest markets > in the > country) > > Seems like it'll finish off the destruction they've wrought on Denver > and Elitch Gardens over the years too. > > Noticed the stock prices took a huge hit, and just as predicted the > attendance numbers are off 13% chain wide. So anyone who was a > Shapiro > fan starting to rethink it yet? Stock prices always fluctuate. Apple Computer's stock hit 86$ back in January, and now its hovering at around $59. Does that mean Apple is going to go under? Not really. If I had $10,000 lying around, I'd buy all the Apple stock I could. If you go here http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SIX&t=5d ... you can see that the stock took a dive last night in after hours trading, but it was lower between Monday and Tuesday. And if you look at the price over two years, you can see that it's still higher than it was any time under the old ownership, even though its on a downward trend. I'd say thats more of the media making a big deal over nothing than anything substantial. With the attendance, like someone said, there isn't SFNO, and SFAW is also gone. I'm not sure if they subtracted those numbers when calculating year over year, but if they didn't, it probably accounts for at least 5 or 10%, especially since from what I've seen SFAW was ranked #7 in the chain for attendance. But in general, it's really hard to turn a chain around, especially one as large as Six Flags, in a couple months. Like he said, the brand is more damaged than they thought... and it's really hard to turn the public's perception around just like that. I hope Shapiro is around for more time, because I think the changes he's making are good ones, and they're going to need someone like that if the ever want SF to return to being profitable. And I mean, with profitability, much as anyone hates Shapiro, SF has not seen a profit since 1998. Thats 7 full seasons ago. However much people may wish for the good 'ol days, those guys were failures. If they continued to manage the parks, the entire chain probably would have went under. I think the vast majority of the problems Shapiro and the new guys are facing are because of the previous guys and what they did to the brand and the parks, not because of what the new direction they're trying to take the chain. So I think we're still going to have to wait and see on this one... and the stuff yesterday hasn't really changed my opinion that this will eventually be good for the chain. I just hope that if they sell SFMM, they sell it to CF or someone, and not just to build more houses. I mean, seriously, the last thing Southern CA needs is more houses. Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 06:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4962 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 13:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 13:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 13:59:39 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i3so646748wra for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.54.5 with SMTP id g5mr3863244qbk; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e16sm1643790qba.2006.06.23.06.59.36; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:59:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcaWumBHa/Q6VSSSRLK+5mc98V9hSgAEqS5g Message-ID: <449bf3c9.7df0c746.3173.6808@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=1apdlJZMFCx-H1QQ3KNZfVkZTAC6A5g0V3JehNwHHcjLU08 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Seems like it'll finish off the destruction they've wrought on Denver and Elitch Gardens over the years too." Out of all the things they have done I don't see SFEG as one of Premier/SF's problem areas. When the Gertlers moved the park it was a soulless and treeless facility.and then they sold to SF after one season. The problems with that park have always been with it since it moved. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 07:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82878 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 14:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 14:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.236) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 14:25:09 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so256233wra for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.224.7 with SMTP id b7mr3940157qbr; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:24:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060623112142.32925.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060623112142.32925.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=R9I26J93Z8eAF6Ohgkn7XhsK7nkxIiCwmKQluOrzUuCe4Ty8E6cG8EA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Beaverland Mine ride? I haven't been to that park > since 2001 but I dont even recall this name. What > ride is that? I think that's the Zierer Tivoli coaster (formerly Roadrunner Express). What a great name change...seriously. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 07:41:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30144 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 14:41:02 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so668947wra for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.76.8 with SMTP id y8mr3925047qba; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 1sm1682859qbh.2006.06.23.07.41.00; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:41:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcaW0RAnWFEmpBJYRxu6SC4W+L721gAAcusg Message-ID: <449bfd7d.5b3d2708.3918.ffff95f0@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: RE: Mini TR- Geuaga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=n7cv6X3empIx3fzUWR5qCl5ZDSF4KfymygORX7e2urANvbg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Beaverland Mine ride? I haven't been to that park >> since 2001 but I dont even recall this name. What > >ride is that? >I think that's the Zierer Tivoli coaster (formerly Roadrunner Express). What a great name change...seriously. During one of the conference calls CF execs. said they went the beaver route because "Escape from Snatch Cavern" was taken. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 07:45:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51231 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 14:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 14:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 14:45:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 14:42:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 14:42:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:41:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060623114541.4743.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ZSXZ9T1bWn422wHMvu063hdlHacHWLPwbq4xF8ObeNoIrolBswdEnLbVYg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > And the most frustrating thing about such a conversion > is, that at the end of the day, it would *still* be a > substandard product when compared to Disney. Sure, > that is okay for a park like SFGAm which is 1500miles > away from Disney, but for many SFMM visitors, it's > practically just down the street. I think Shapiro > feels he cant "out-disney" Disney in Disney's > backyard. but should they be following the Disney model anyway? i mean in a=20 way NO ONE can hold up against disney comparatively. as much as i=20 love IOA and BGT, they obviously will never be able to compete with=20 Disney's revenue or target audience. they try, and do so admirably,=20 but as the Universal ads have shown, not everyone is into princesses=20 and mice. i dont see why anyone would want to try and out-disney=20 disney. it cant be done, but would SF really want to compete for=20 that audience anyway? theyve built a name for themselves going after=20 the teen and young adult set, and seem to have done well with it.=20 why reverse course and go for the tweens and younger? why carve out=20 a niche only to abandon it? and besides, since isnt it teens that=20 have the most disposable income? why not keep that target audience?=20 i duno, it just doesnt make sense to me. no one can compete on the=20 same level as disney, so why bother? use your strenghts, not cater=20 to your weaknesses.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 07:51:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81986 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 14:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 14:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 14:51:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 14:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 14:48:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 14:48:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:48:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5823F41E-584A-4A9F-8B88-D6B31E6C6234@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=f_rSWxwlxKA3-CGuCKYdVF4alQ8_a1LrhM9ZRQcD4Uhf0PcSETzfDZkjKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: >=20 > To me it would make more sense to dump a lot of the smaller=20 parks ...=20=20 > that would mean he'd have less parks to worry about and could=20 pour=20=20 > more energy into those. But then again, I'm a software engineer=20 not a=20=20 > businessman! :) i was wondering about this too the other day. im no businessman, but=20 if it were up to me, i would think that keeping one big park in each=20 region of the country would be the way to go. seems to work for most=20 other theme park chains. i think SF got in over its head when it=20 started buying up all these little parks to revamp and make their=20 own. a more sustainable model(im just theorizing here) would be to=20 keep SFMM in the west, SFOG for the south, SFGAdv in the north, one=20 of the Texas parks for the lower midwest, and (though now its too=20 late) SFWOA in the upper midwest. 5 parks to concentrate on making=20 the best parks they can instead of half-assing 2 dozen at the same=20 time. sell off all the others, keep the biggies and work on making=20 them destinations. works for BG and Disney.=20 just my 2 cents worth on it.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 08:01:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 450 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:01:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 15:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 15:00:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:00:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: ferris wheel article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=aaOBnZw0bTEUoCQF8khB_Aiden2dSjgaTrc3mVjqX2Qwnn8YL9e_jNYD_g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 i cant find the article online, but the latest issue of Life Weekend=20 has a neat article with some great pics on ferris wheels. its=20 available in some papers nationally. you can find which ones have the=20 magazine in it here; http://www.life.com/Life/newspapers/index.html From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 23 08:08:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99757 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:08:14 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5NF7W6N011900 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:07:32 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:07:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <363689D0-706E-49AB-BFAA-99F6DB0F75BC@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:07:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 15:07:32.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[C05547E0:01C696D6] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=gK5sD8YjsWOUhAV84_XycGe_oWVqKYk_v1NFCqwp16QgGkKy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > other theme park chains. i think SF got in over its head when it > started buying up all these little parks to revamp and make their > own. Well it was Premier who bought all the little parks, then Premier bought Six Flags. But I do agree that it was all too much for them to handle. However I am loving the fact that Cedar Fair is heading down that same road now too! > a more sustainable model(im just theorizing here) would be to > keep SFMM in the west, SFOG for the south, SFGAdv in the north, one > of the Texas parks for the lower midwest, and (though now its too > late) SFWOA in the upper midwest. Again I agree .. except Six Flags Great America is a far better choice for upper mid-west then Worlds Of Adventure ever was. (Yes I'm a SFGAm fan-boy .. but I think even non-fan-boys would agree!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Beware of * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Unvisible Zed! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 08:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79201 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:20:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 15:20:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 15:20:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:20:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <363689D0-706E-49AB-BFAA-99F6DB0F75BC@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YygFYx-z8yvSZ4Azzd_wB9rcI1rrXR-q8FUEyNYMg8Priom1eQqW6n_CcA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > > However I am loving the fact that Cedar Fair is heading down=20=20 > that same road now too! weird, isnt it? i was wondering that too. i mean i know CF is doing=20 well and all and they have the capital, but i fear they are=20 spreading themselves too thinnly. it is eerily reminiscent of SF=20 plan, which obviously is their undoing now. i just dont get it-quantity doesnt equal quality. the best chains=20 seem to be the smaller ones. sad that CF now seems to think=20 otherwise. i mean, ive never been to Dorney, but every TR i read=20 about it makes it out to be a big concrete wasteland.=20 > Again I agree .. except Six Flags Great America is a far better=20=20 > choice for upper mid-west then Worlds Of Adventure ever was. (Yes=20 I'm=20=20 > a SFGAm fan-boy .. but I think even non-fan-boys would agree!). well im not really familiar with the midwest parks. i assumed WOA=20 was bigger, but GAm is fine to i suppose. i was just using it since=20 i heard more about that one but ill take your word for it. of course=20 like i said, not like it matters now since its already gone. i wonder, in a couple of years will SF cease to exist at all? seems=20 like they are just dumping everything. could they be following in=20 the steps of Paramount and just giving up on theme parks altogether?=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 08:47:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49181 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:47:41 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so608923wri for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.191.20 with SMTP id t20mr4031769qbp; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=AR8B1AVdJEwopac8TZb6Z_xO1h-cogKrkMfhb1kpSt5lNbxo6QaaOiY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > So anyone who was a Shapiro fan starting to rethink it yet? Not at all. I think he is continuing to make the smartest decisions for the benefit of the company. In fact, the only things I've had a problem with is some of the major price increases. $15 parking is too much. $60 to enter SFMM is too much. But the impending sale of these parks is not one of the things that I would consider a bad decision. > Oooh! Oooh! A question that I can actually answer! In > Shapiros mind, "core parks" are those that would fit > into his model of what a SF park should be, i.e. one > that is family friendly. Not only that, but SFMM is hardly the succesful park that many would like to believe it is. Okay, so it's one of the most attended parks in the chain. It also has a significantly larger operating season, staffs more full-time, year-round employees, and requires a staggeringly large operating budget. Combine all of those factors and it's easy to see how SFMM isn't exactly raking in the cash. Compare SFMM to SFGAm. Both of these parks are similar in size, are in large metropolitan areas, and have similar prices. SFMM has 264 operating days each year. SFGAm has just 136 (about half). And yet they attracted the same number of people last year. That means that on any given day, SFMM has just *half* the people in the park that SFGAm has. That's disasterous for SFMM! SFGAdv - the chain's other huge park - has slightly more operating days than SFGAm (157). But it also attracts more people. On a average day, SFGAdv attracts about 18,500 people/day. SFGAm attracts about 20,500 people/day. SFMM attracts a dismal 10,600 people/day. Keep in mind that SFGAm has the smallest population base of the three. The old management's mistake was continuing to consider SFMM as one of the "big three" parks just because it happened to be in one of the top three metropolitan areas in the country. The new management is being much more logical - the park does not attract nearly the amount of people it needs to be considered "top three." The potential is there, but it's simply not performing. For the record, even parks like SFoG and SFStL - both of which are significantly smaller than SFMM - have a higher guest-per-day average than SFMM (at 15,200 and 12,500 respectively). SFMM's attendance draw looks far more like Elitch Gardens (10,200 people/day) than one of the chain's three biggest stars. Selling off the rest of the parks makes sense, I think. Let's look at them individually: Six Flags Darien Lake -Not a huge attendance draw -Small park that dilutes the brand name -Was hugely overinvested in by former management and now has an identity crisis -Focus on camping, resorts, and concerts as opposed to amusement park gives SFDL a completely different business model than other parks in the chain Six Flags Elitch Gardens -Land is in a prime location for development and could be sold for big money -Small park with little room for expansion -Not a huge attendance draw Wild Waves & Enchanted Village -Small, unbranded park with very low attendance -No room for expansion -Is primarily a waterpark with a few amusement rides Six Flags Waterworld & Six Flags Splashdown -Dilute the brand name -Waterpark only operation makes for a different business model from the rest of the chain -Small parks with competition and little attendance The only thing here that doesn't make sense is why SFKK isn't on this list. My guess is they're still looking into their options with that park, but I don't see it sticking around for long. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 08:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51463 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:53:59 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so682778wra for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.24.20 with SMTP id 20mr2877769qbx; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:53:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060623114541.4743.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sluMSDU0FapGUtFWKSGe0YD5KUpECITdKVwh_x1gKH9segOonH5KW4M X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > i dont see why anyone would want to try and out-disney > disney. it cant be done, but would SF really want to compete for > that audience anyway? theyve built a name for themselves going after > the teen and young adult set, and seem to have done well with it. > why reverse course and go for the tweens and younger? why carve out > a niche only to abandon it? Because that's just the point - that niche did NOT do well for them! The chain hasn't turned a profit in seven years. They've struggled and struggled with dwindeling attendance even with millions of dollars invested into shiny new toys for the teen crowd. They've been faced with low in-park spending even as prices rose because teens don't spend money in the parks. The "target the teen/young adult crowd" plan was almost a complete failure. And that's exactly why they're going after families now, and exactly why being forced to compete with Disney is a huge problem. What SFMM *should* do is offer itself as a lower cost alternative to the Disney parks. But with seventeen roller coasters and major expenses, that's just not possible. -Nate -Nate and besides, since isnt it teens that > have the most disposable income? why not keep that target audience? > > i duno, it just doesnt make sense to me. no one can compete on the > same level as disney, so why bother? use your strenghts, not cater > to your weaknesses. > > > > -- -Nate Holy shit, I have a blog! http://coasterdude318.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jun 23 09:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67406 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-03.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 16:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 16126 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2006 15:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:45:08 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-59.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.59] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FtnqG-0001DV-Rx for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:45:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:48:41 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.59 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=1ahnBBqxgYEobGpkjIwF_Jj5sbsH71zEsKN64ZWZqga3fcuyyebg X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > i just dont get it-quantity doesnt equal quality. the best chains > seem to be the smaller ones. sad that CF now seems to think > otherwise. i mean, ive never been to Dorney, but every TR i read > about it makes it out to be a big concrete wasteland. I think if Dorney was in any other location, it'd get a lot better reviews. The problem is that three great parks... Knoebels, Hersheypark, and SFGAd... are within an hour or two's drive from there. So compared to them, Dorney isn't all that great. Unless you go to the waterpark, there really isn't a whole lot to do. The last time I was there was on the way back from Hershey, and I did every coaster in the park in about 2 hours, and then there wasn't really anything else to do. But Dorney is beating SFGAd at its own game with advertising. I don't know if anyone else here lives around the NYC area, but Dorney's commercials are all about families, and pretty much every shot has a family in it. SFGAd, on the other hand, seems to be hardly advertising at all, and the commercials that I see, are promoting El Toro and asking stuff like 'DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS?' or something like that. They have a lot of ticket promotions for low prices, like at Costco, but if they're trying to draw a more family friendly crowd, commercials like that are not going to do it. They added a bugs bunny land this year, and I haven't seen any commercials for that at all. The only thing I can think of is that they're going to try and recoup the cost of El Toro this season and will maybe change their marketing around later this year or next year. Or since SFGAd is the most attended park in the chain, they're not going to try to fix something thats not broken. > i wonder, in a couple of years will SF cease to exist at all? seems > like they are just dumping everything. could they be following in > the steps of Paramount and just giving up on theme parks altogether? They maybe will cease to exist, or maybe at only a couple parks. But I doubt they'd give up on parks all together... the only thing SF does is theme parks, so if the executives got rid of all the parks, they'd sit around and go... crap, what do we do now? Paramount, on the other hand, is owned by Viacom, which owns just about everything in the entertainment and advertising industry thats possible for a company to own, so not having a couple theme parks isn't going to hurt them too much. Mike From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 10:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72660 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 17:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 17:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 17:05:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 17:04:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 17:04:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:04:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=FDBEIEfZWMRn8VTTj3y3ZXsxRFnX5A1kTdB__K7UHzeC5kw5_1BT X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > What SFMM *should* do is offer itself as a lower cost alternative=20 > to the Disney parks.=20 Which is, of course, what Knott's Berry Farm is doing. Adam http://www.blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 10:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43844 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 17:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 17:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 17:04:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:59:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:59:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:59:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:59:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <363689D0-706E-49AB-BFAA-99F6DB0F75BC@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=hrIt2jW_imlJe1UzTeXRFmemXfabCL7io3eFvEitO8TAngAS-YoA X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > Well it was Premier who bought all the little parks, then Premier=20=20 > bought Six Flags. But I do agree that it was all too much for them=20 > to handle. Does anyone have a concise list of the acquisitions by year by=20 Premier and Six Flags? It seems like in revitalizing the parks they=20 acquired, they changed the character of the places a lot. Look at=20 Marine World --- it went from having no coasters at all to having 8=20 of them, some of which are pretty substantial. Here's the LA Times article on the potential deal: http://tinyurl.com/k95fw Some quotes: ---------------- "Magic Mountain was considered a candidate for sale partly because=20 of its often rowdy teenage atmosphere." ... "the ... company is changing its thrill-ride focus to family=20 entertainment. "unruly behavior by the teens, who gravitate to the giant dips and=20 turns of Magic Mountain's 17 roller coasters, have driven families=20 away from the theme park, Shapiro said. "'Once you burn Mom, she is not rushing back,' Shapiro said.=20 "Throughout Six Flags' 30 amusement and water parks, Shapiro said he=20 wanted to reduce the company's reliance on 'teens that drive our=20 security problems =85 who loiter in the park, hate my no-smoking=20 policy and don't spend money.' "Though Six Flags could invest in Magic Mountain to transform it=20 into a family-style park, Shapiro noted that the Southern California=20 market was already crowded with family attractions..." ------------- It seems like the park, under old management, spent loads of money=20 over many years attracting a customer base that ultimately wasn't as=20 profitable as the customers the other guys were attracting, and so=20 the new management has decided doesn't fit into its business plan.=20 The problem is that the customers that management *does* want are=20 already being served better by Universal, Knott's, and Disney. Complicating matters is that the land SFMM sits on would be very=20 valuable as real estate: -------------- In evaluating which parks to sell, Shapiro also looked at whether=20 they were on valuable real estate. Shapiro said the sales would have=20 to garner more than $500 million to be worthwhile. Buildable parcels in Valencia sell for $750,000 to $1 million an=20 acre, said Michael Adler, president of Adler Realty Investments Inc.=20 in Woodland Hills. The potential for converting the 250-acre parcel into homes and=20 retail centers would have developers "lining up to bid," Adler said.=20 "This would be a great opportunity for a mixed-use development,"=20 said Adler, who has a 150-home development underway in Valencia.=20 "I would be a bidder." The property could be worth $200 million or more, depending on=20 whether it continues as an amusement complex or is redeveloped,=20 according to theme park and real estate executives.=20 Shapiro said the property could also remain a theme park. He said=20 another operator might be more comfortable with Magic Mountain's=20 thrill-ride niche and the teenage behavior that comes with it. ------------- To me, that still looks like just a "maybe" on whether or not it=20 would be sold. On the one hand, Shapiro's saying that he would be=20 looking for $500M, but in the next paragraph, you can do the math=20 and see that they'd be looking at less than half that if they sold=20 it. If they're not pulling much of a profit, though, getting a=20 quarter-billion dollars in one chunk would be awfully tempting. I think there's going to have to be a couple of decisions made here.=20 First, is the land more valuable as an amusement park or as a mixed- use residential/commercial site? Second, since Shapiro's admitting=20 that he can't compete for the family customers, is he willing to=20 keep a thrill-ride park that doesn't fit in with the rest of his=20 business plan, or will he be able to sell it to somebody else who's=20 willing to cater to that niche? Does that "somebody else" even exist? Another problem is that a number of SFMM's assets are custom-built=20 to the terrain and would be difficult to sell and move to another=20 location. But something like Scream or Deja Vu could be packed up=20 and sold EASILY. (Incidentally, why do these article keep referring to SFMW as being=20 in Concord? It's in Vallejo, across a bridge from Concord.) > However I am loving the fact that Cedar Fair is heading down=20=20 > that same road now too! The major difference I would see here is that Cedar Fair is buying=20 the Paramount parks to essentially leave them as they are and not=20 make major changes. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 10:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40720 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.192) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so809382nzn for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.215.8 with SMTP id s8mr1379029qbq; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:17:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <363689D0-706E-49AB-BFAA-99F6DB0F75BC@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=lCn7Y_dNd7i39LSPS_2jClp93f1Uj2x5xDEspZdaWsDYr07r3mhEcAo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Does anyone have a concise list of the acquisitions by year by > Premier and Six Flags? http://timelines.home.insightbb.com/sfcorp_years.htm -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 11:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33397 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 18:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 18:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 18:17:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:17:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=GCAXw3nmbXySzc9QpSYUHuV3PdWeaXbFHKXjSTA7j3ReoOOJrqFA X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Does anyone have a concise list of the acquisitions by year by > > Premier and Six Flags? >=20 > http://timelines.home.insightbb.com/sfcorp_years.htm Thanks! I hadn't known about Six Flags Autoworld, Six Flags=20 Atlantis, or Six Flags Power Plant before. But man, when people say=20 Premiere Parks went on a buying spree, they weren't kidding.=20 Also, I wrote: > (Incidentally, why do these article keep referring to SFMW as being > in Concord? It's in Vallejo, across a bridge from Concord.) Sorry, I hadn't known about Waterworld and was assuming they were=20 talking about SFMW. Please disregard. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 13:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87806 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 20:16:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 20:16:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 20:16:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:16:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=GAxLrMN0FB9oyQjB0Tc166UzZoFAkfV2GK9Oz4qIZeQDpkAJsk-VOI5URA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > SFGAd, on the other hand, seems to be hardly advertising at all,=20 and=20=20 > the commercials that I see, are promoting El Toro and asking=20 stuff=20=20 > like 'DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS?' or something like that. They have a=20 lot=20=20 > of ticket promotions for low prices, like at Costco, but if=20 they're=20=20 > trying to draw a more family friendly crowd, commercials like=20 that=20=20 > are not going to do it. They added a bugs bunny land this year,=20 and=20=20 > I haven't seen any commercials for that at all. which brings up another thing-what happened to Mr. Six? i know a lot=20 of folks here hated him, but it seemed to work pretty well as a=20 mascot. it also seemed to promote a more family-friendly atmosphere ("Its Playtime!"), which even as you said, needs to happen. now it=20 looks like they are going back to the "extreme" advertising. strange=20 to abandon and brand like Mr. Six that seemed to be doing the trick=20 in appealing to families.=20 > I doubt they'd give up on parks all together... the only thing SF=20=20 > does is theme parks, so if the executives got rid of all the=20 parks,=20=20 > they'd sit around and go... crap, what do we do now?=20=20 but arent they owned by WB? i would imagine WB would be fine without=20 SF, just as Paramount would go on without their parks.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 13:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46027 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 20:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 20:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 20:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 20:25:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 20:25:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:25:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=xG8dEwJvb7zR5rii7klGHzptS2mw0atA35JHw7EnH7wusi_V7KCvEw0k5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > "Magic Mountain was considered a candidate for sale partly because=20 > of its often rowdy teenage atmosphere." find me a park that isnt!=20 > "the ... company is changing its thrill-ride focus to family=20 > entertainment. judging from the El Toro ad campaign, i doubt that.=20 =20 > "unruly behavior by the teens, who gravitate to the giant dips and=20 > turns of Magic Mountain's 17 roller coasters, have driven families=20 > away from the theme park, Shapiro said. again, aside from Disney, which has 0% appeal to teens, find me a=20 park that doesnt have rowdy teens. besides, it seems sort of like a=20 copout to blame the kids for selling the park. shouldnt they blame=20 themselves for not having enough security and also for failing to=20 appeal to anyone OTHER than teens? you cant attract an audience and=20 then complain when they get there.=20 =20 >Shapiro said he=20 > wanted to reduce the company's reliance on 'teens that drive our=20 > security problems =85 who loiter in the park, hate my no-smoking=20 > policy and don't spend money.' again, i think hes putting blame on the wrong people. kids go to=20 parks, so you hire enough security to handle them. look at CF or BG=20 parks-they get overrun with teens all the time, but you dont see=20 them selling their parks and whining about those gosh darn teens=20 ruining everything.=20 > "Though Six Flags could invest in Magic Mountain to transform it=20 > into a family-style park, Shapiro noted that the Southern=20 California=20 > market was already crowded with family attractions..." wow, he gives in quick. instead of sticking it out and fighting for=20 his piece of the pie, hes giving up. not much of a capitalist.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 13:32:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26099 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 20:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 20:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.202) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 20:32:33 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 16so726588nzp for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.53.12 with SMTP id f12mr4486974qbk; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:32:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=oIp1vghvwr0v4yiOzEWCFMcCgqaueVZEBgCApuQ7DQDb6hQUCGfrY3w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > which brings up another thing-what happened to Mr. Six? i know a lot > of folks here hated him, but it seemed to work pretty well as a > mascot. it also seemed to promote a more family-friendly atmosphere > ("Its Playtime!"), which even as you said, needs to happen. Agreed. Ditching Mr. Six was a huge mistake. You don't just throw away a highly recognizable mascot just for the sake of starting fresh. > now it > looks like they are going back to the "extreme" advertising. strange > to abandon and brand like Mr. Six that seemed to be doing the trick > in appealing to families. There was a lot of information in the conference call about the paradox of their current situation. On one hand, they want to be advertising heavily to families. On the other hand, they just spent $88 million on thrill rides that essentially goes to waste if they don't promote them. They're really in a tough situation there, since the thrill rides weren't their decision at all. > but arent they owned by WB? i would imagine WB would be fine without > SF, just as Paramount would go on without their parks. No, Six Flags hasn't been owned by WB since 1999. Six Flags is its own publically-traded company; theme parks is all they do. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 13:37:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98936 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 20:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 20:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.202) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 20:37:18 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so238020nzo for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.83.11 with SMTP id k11mr4474609qbl; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.192.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:37:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=jStFDRQBN7ogLzmMs8koCiMMIGfawxnf5FGMhrQDaZ9KRGYe4VyvMTs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > "the ... company is changing its thrill-ride focus to family > > entertainment. > > judging from the El Toro ad campaign, i doubt that. El Toro cost Six Flags some major bucks. Would it make any sense to not advertise that this season? > again, aside from Disney, which has 0% appeal to teens I completely disagree with this statement. > shouldnt they blame > themselves for not having enough security and also for failing to > appeal to anyone OTHER than teens? you cant attract an audience and > then complain when they get there. You can when it wasn't YOU who attracted that unwanted audience. The previous management heavily targeted teens, and they came. The new management doesn't like that. I don't see a problem with that. > > "Though Six Flags could invest in Magic Mountain to transform it > > into a family-style park, Shapiro noted that the Southern > California > > market was already crowded with family attractions..." > wow, he gives in quick. instead of sticking it out and fighting for > his piece of the pie, hes giving up. not much of a capitalist. There's a difference between giving up and being realistic. SFMM is just about beyond saving without some major investment, which is exactly the kind of thing the chain cannot afford to do right now. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 14:50:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44673 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 21:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13035 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2006 21:50:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623215000.12932.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.231.60] by web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:50:00 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=O0_AXOhhViO07ua2IuzUUWLuJ2U-xJdRwAmNSeN_cr2YDCUKYVBI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > When the Gertlers moved the park it was a soulless and treeless facility.and then they sold to SF after one season. The problems with that park have always been with it since it moved. < I agree, Adam. Although the old park was landlocked and run-down, I wish i= t had simply been spruced up rather than demolished. The new Elitch remind= ed me of the new Compounce after Hershey bought it and did essentially the = same thing: leveled the land and started from scratch. What they ended up = with was an antiseptic park with no personality that was undercapitalized. = Kennywood at least brought some personality back to the park. But Premier= /Six Flags hasn't seemed to be able to do that with Elitch. They took a pa= rk that even locals didn't enthusiastically support and basically stuffed i= t with more rides. One thing good about an Elitch demise (although I'd hate to see any park cl= ose): it might bring new life to Lakeside. I too am perplexed by the proposed sale of Tragic Mountain. Under Burke, t= he park was definitely an amped-up thrill machine, compared to Disney's mor= e family-oriented offerings. So it did have its niche. But with rides like= X and S:TE, it might be just a huge drain on the company's finances. I ca= n't imagine anyone being able to make a go of that place -- even Cedar Fair= , who also have Knotts just a short distance away. The overhead is absurd.= I think Shapiro is right in one sense: more giant rides don't solve the p= roblem. SFMM was known not as a beautiful park or a great family destinati= on, but as a thrill park packed with rides that tested your limit. Shapiro= could finance a make-over of the park, but (as someone else mentioned) wit= h Disney and Knotts so close, why bother? If the land alone could bring in= $.5 billion, then financially it would make a lot of sense to ditch the pl= ace and move the rides elsewhere. True, they'd sacrifice the California ma= rket and probably never be able to re-enter it (unless CF dumps Knotts), but that m= arket's pretty saturated anyway. They'd be better off with a nice family p= ark up around Marin County or Sacramento. As for the smaller parks like Wyandot...again, I think it's a wise financia= l decision if the parks are draining their resources. But I really hate to= see those parks vanish. I'm surprised they're dumping the water parks; th= ose seem to be hot properties now. It's also interesting that if the company continues selling off parks, they= 'll no longer be a national regional chain; it would be too long a drive to= a SF park from various parts of the country. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football =9206 - Go with the leader. Start your leagu= e today!=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 15:40:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7551 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 22:40:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 22:40:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:40:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060623215000.12932.qmail@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=bWnGgti5EasGV9jGNAuNnWypKs0WjJuHhYL90aQ87N2Bat0GQH9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > If the land alone could bring in $.5 billion, then financially it=20 > would make a lot of sense to ditch the place and move the rides=20 > elsewhere. True, they'd sacrifice the California market and > probably never be able to re-enter it (unless CF dumps Knotts),=20 but > that market's pretty saturated anyway. They'd be better off=20 with a > nice family park up around Marin County or Sacramento. SF Marine World pretty much splits the difference between Marin and=20 Sacramento. So here's the $500-million question: if you owned SFMM and wanted to=20 keep it operating as an amusement park, but wanted to pull in a=20 profit, what would you do? The first step I'm sure we'd all want to=20 see done is for the simple day-to-day maintenance and management of=20 the park to improve. That's a no-brainer (as is removing the OTSR=20 from Revolution). What about more drastic changes? I'd sell off some=20 rides--- Scream should fetch top dollar and doesn't add much to the=20 park, some sucker might take Flashback, and Deja Vu would probably=20 go quickly. Beyond that, my overall strategy would be to concentrate=20 on stripping down to a core group of signature thrill rides that I=20 could maintain, and agressively pursue a broader customer base with=20 flat rides, transport rides, landscaping, etc. Would that be enough?=20 I wonder if it's beyond the point where anything but a major change=20 at the park could bring it to a point of sustained profitability. Adam From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jun 23 15:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10904 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-45.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 22:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 30700 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2006 22:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 22:59:19 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-59.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.59] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FtucR-0007lK-HE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:59:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C07A2F4-8677-4A31-B51A-BFDC3098642B@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:02:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.59 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=D9RzB2sSZ8nvasTPkq1CfDFKXC66vSqy53X8CP-gG8CcvhlRpzEc X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > So here's the $500-million question: if you owned SFMM and wanted to > keep it operating as an amusement park, but wanted to pull in a > profit, what would you do? The first step I'm sure we'd all want to > see done is for the simple day-to-day maintenance and management of > the park to improve. That's a no-brainer (as is removing the OTSR > from Revolution). What about more drastic changes? I'd sell off some > rides--- Scream should fetch top dollar and doesn't add much to the > park, some sucker might take Flashback, and Deja Vu would probably > go quickly. Beyond that, my overall strategy would be to concentrate > on stripping down to a core group of signature thrill rides that I > could maintain, and agressively pursue a broader customer base with > flat rides, transport rides, landscaping, etc. Would that be enough? > I wonder if it's beyond the point where anything but a major change > at the park could bring it to a point of sustained profitability. Yeah, I agree with those changes. I'd also say something they can do tomorrow is stop running STE, if they haven't already. I remember reading that it requires 1 or 2 megawatts to launch each time. Multiply that by one every three minutes or so for the day, by however many days a year its operating, and thats an enormous amount of power. I'm not sure how much the total cost of it would be, whether it would be in the millions or not.... but with the rising cost of power, it can't be cheap. Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jun 23 16:16:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11315 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ftuoy-0006nO-HG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: <449C756C.2000900@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:12:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e6455fdbe9d52546d98ef3d6956ea23a56ec8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=AG98BBC8NKEKoxy3GN8VDGYgIlBoUO0GWu1mrQwA43GbUBc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > At least some of that attendance hit has to come from the fact that > 6FNO hasn't opened it's doors since Katrina. Does anyone know where > that park falls in the order of attendance? A drop from x to 0 is a > pretty sizable drop even if it was the smallest park in the chain, and > I'm pretty sure that Wyandot, Enchanted Village and a few others are > smaller than New Orleans. > It's not that big of a hit. SFNO is one of the smallest parks in the chain- I'm not sure if it even broke 500k in attendance last year. When you compare it's attendance to the chain, it's not that large of a portion. It's also still fairly early in the season. Early to have a drop that large so soon. keep on ridin' George (who's trying to be brief since I don't have a lot of time) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 23 16:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58651 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 23:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 23:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 23:38:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 23:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 23:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 23:38:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:38:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Z8NjnAEM-PDJuSXCazdYR1zX2OnpvXq2nqX1TzNaIBOMU8lNj0KZ63gWiA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > > "the ... company is changing its thrill-ride focus to family > > > entertainment. > > > > judging from the El Toro ad campaign, i doubt that. >=20 > El Toro cost Six Flags some major bucks. Would it make any sense=20 to > not advertise that this season? well, i was talking about appealing and advertising to families.=20 according to what was said, its sounds like they are only marketing=20 it to the "extreme" crowd, not families. of course they have to=20 advertise a new ride, but hard to market a coaster like that to=20 little kids and older folks.=20 >=20 > > again, aside from Disney, which has 0% appeal to teens >=20 > I completely disagree with this statement. ok. why?=20 From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Jun 23 16:39:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16094 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 23:37:49 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5NNbloQ009555 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c6971e$0e4fc640$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=SCw6NTtri83RkLoF3ZoOGiZhOxkvl7r6qCP9gIS2gz_XskGTMOTW X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A generation ago, Six Flags wasn't the ubquitous amusement park chain it is today. It operated a handful of parks around the country, including the flagship original Six Flags Over Texas, that were well respected and, by some, even thought of as superior to Walt Disney World. The chain grew over the years, by buying established theme parks such as Magic Mountain in Valencia, Calif. and Great America in Gurnee, Ill. But the explosive growth started in 1998, when a little-known amusement park chain from Oklahoma, Premier Parks, bought the Six Flags chain and its name. That's how Premier's chain of lightly regarded parks, including Elitch Gardens in Denver and Kentucky Kingdom outside Louisville, came to bear the Six Flags label. Premier has upgraded some of the sorrier parks in the chain, to its credit. And that's part of the reason why the company's capital expenditures have swelled in recent years. But with its business plan for the upcoming years, now can see what Premier's long-term vision for Six Flags is. It is not to continue investing and returning Six Flags to its glory years--where it rivaled even Disney for quality and value. It appears more likely that Premier intends for its Six Flags to become the McDonald's of the theme park industry: Simple, basic, everywhere and pretty much the same from location to location. Now that the brand is established in most major markets--it is time to milk it. Perhaps Six Flags can make this strategy work for itself, and its investors. And maybe those thrill ride fans who don't expect much more than a few stomach-churing coasters. But this strategy won't work for the theme park fan who's longing for something new and exciting now that's Disney's fallen asleep. They should, and will, continue to look elsewhere to spend their hard-earned vacation time and money. The above are excepts from a themeparkinsider.com article from June 2002. Now, keeping this in mind, fast forward to the 2005 Annual Report which clearly shows revenue increases from 2004, it's clearly Premier Parks management's faults that have the company's investors crying foul right now. They decided that theme park goers simply were losing interest in the "family" park that did not invest in itself, and there's only so much one can do in a park that doesn't expand in an effort to keep people coming, and spending their hard-earned money. This is true, but at the same time, don't neglect parks while trying to gain recognition for your parks that simply were branded with the "Six Flags" brand by default of a buyout. 1998 is what started the downfall. Mark Shapiro needs to do a history of what happened to the chain, and what was successful before Premier got their hands on the chain. Like the above article stated, the downfall began when Premier Parks decided, in an effort to save their own sorry parks, to buy the SF brand. It backfired. SFMM is a very successful park, if not neglected, and if I had the money, it's worth the investment. Believe me, according to my business friends out in California, it won't take that much.... a flats package, negotiating reduced electric rates, continue sprucing up the landscaping, remove Flashback, get Del Holland out of there, and maintain the park. The park is world-renowned, and I'm sure the shock wave felt today will backfire on Shapiro if he goes through with closing this park. The last paragraph in the above article summarizes it best, people will look elsewhere to spend their vacation time and money if nothing new and exciting is going on at a park. I haven't been to WDW in 10 years as there's really nothing new there I want to see. Same thing with BGT, I was last there in 2000. I literally walked out of KBF in 1999 as there was nothing I really wanted to do or see. SFMM has always been in this fan boys heart, but not for the records, but for the types of rides, and atmosphere. Granted I was last there in 1999, but SFMM has always been a destination, and that's another thing, make it a resort like the rumors on screamscape have been saying for years. Where's the money to do it? Look above and you have your answer - sell every Premier Park that the chain inherited by default. It's all about families, right Mr. Shapiro??? It's time to do it!!! Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Jun 23 16:41:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88130 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 23:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 23:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 23:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 1758 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jun 2006 23:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060623234045.1757.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 23 Jun 2006 18:40:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=Nq6hhF1wsKFFjTRb8IIx2YOPYA7oG5um9p2m7fDDx8TC26wD X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 > From a Yahoo News article 6/23/06 4:02 PM CDT > The chief executive, Mark Shapiro, announced in a conference call > after the market closed on Thursday that the company no longer > expected to meet its earnings guidance and that revenue and > attendance were lower. > > Shares fell in after-hours trading by about 20 percent and kept > falling when the market reopened. Shares tumbled $1.90, or 25.5 > percent, to close at $5.55 Friday on the New York Stock Exchange. > Over the past 52 weeks, the stock has ranged from $4.30 to $11.93. > Its no wonder they are losing more money and the attendance is lower. The new owners indicated that wanted to transform SF into a family destination. However, I know three people that did not renew their season passes this year because of the price increases. How many families can afford the high prices they are charging this season. With just some simple math you can see that a family of four is going to have to pay at least $300.00 to spend a day at a SF park for parking, admissions and food. (Plus whatever is spent on games and shopping.) For years I have been taking a group of young people from a christian ministry that I work with to the park each summer and fall. This year, I have had some of those people tell me that the prices are too high and that then might be able to go once but not twice. (Full price admission at SFGAM up 25%, best discount price up 28%) IMHO, I think they could improve their bottom line if they did three things now -- otherwise I do not think SF will even be around much longer. 1> Roll back admission prices to last year's level, 2> Roll back food prices so the prices are comparable to prices outside the park (they have been too high for years) and 3> Bring back Mr. Six and change the advertising to reflect the intent to make the park a family destination. David Rounds p.s., SFGAm also needs to do something to improve its ride operations. Some things I saw when I was at the park last Sunday made me wonder why I stand in line as long as I did for SOME of the coasters. (And yes I did talk to a rides supervisor about it as well as fill out a comment card at guest relations.) From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 17:20:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1179 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 00:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 00:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 00:07:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:02:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=uR42SafB5VNfRY59rVLC-h8MzT7CpA0XEtCSmiEHDMcijjmyNY9v X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > > again, aside from Disney, which has 0% appeal to teens > >=20 > > I completely disagree with this statement. >=20 > ok. why? I was just at Disneyland a couple of weeks ago, and there are a lot of=20 teenagers there. They just form a much smaller proportion of the=20 guests than they do at Magic Mountain or Knott's. Also remember=20 that "teenagers" includes girls as well as teenage boys. That's the=20 thing about Disneyland, they appeal to kids, teens, young adults, and=20 older adults, and to both men and women. Their *primary* target is=20 families with kids, but plenty of other people go there, too. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Jun 23 17:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7989 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 00:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2006 00:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 00:27:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24111 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jun 2006 00:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060624002630.24110.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 23 Jun 2006 19:26:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] x MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=kp-pukD1LUSI3A2OYDrWhPheDMFPRxj_ZrY0sC9gD4CYryNh X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I believe Joe hit the nail on the head. When the new SF management finally wakes up to the fact that they do not know how to run the chain of parks any better that their predecessors and brings back VALUE into their business rather than just looking at the bottom line, we might see some improvement. It all goes back to a story I heard in one of my college economics classes: Two resturants near each other were doing quite well and had been doing well for years. Both had large billboards on the edge of town advertising there facilities. Then came a recession. One resturant said people are spending less and we have less income therefore we need to cut back--they reduced their advertising budget and reduced the size of their billboard to 1/4 its previous size. The other resturant said we have less customers therefore less income so we need to draw more people in. They did just the opposite. Instead of reducing their advertising, they not only reduced the size of the first billboard to 1/2 its previous size but added two additional billboards on the other sides of the town. But the recession continued to get worse. The first resturant had to cut back more and had to totally eliminate their billboard advertising as well as cutting back further on staffing, hoping to rely on word of mouth advertising to carry them thru the recession. The second resturant continued to do well and was able to continue advertising but eventually had to discontinue advertising on one of its three billboards and cut back some on staffing. As the economy began recovering, the first resturant had to close because it just was not drawing in enough patrons. The second resturant weathered the recession and was doing quite well, all things considered. They bought the closed resturant and opened it as a second dining room to allow it to better serve its growing customer base. Six Flags is going to end up like one of the two resturants. Lets hope they learn quickly to manage themselves like the second resturant or they may end up like the first resturant--part of another chain or worse, have to close up shop totally, selling off a piece at a time here and there, hoping to be able to make ends meet and grow. ------- original message follows ---- > > Now, keeping this in mind, fast forward to the 2005 Annual Report which clearly shows revenue increases from 2004, it's clearly Premier Parks management's faults that have the company's investors crying foul right now. They decided that theme park goers simply were losing interest in the "family" park that did not invest in itself, and there's only so much one can do in a park that doesn't expand in an effort to keep people coming, and spending their hard-earned money. This is true, but at the same time, don't neglect parks while trying to gain recognition for your parks that simply were branded with the "Six Flags" brand by default of a buyout. 1998 is what started the downfall. Mark Shapiro needs to do a history of what happened to the chain, and what was successful before Premier got their hands on the chain. Like the above article stated, the downfall began when Premier Parks decided, in an effort to save their own sorry parks, to buy the SF brand. It backfired. SFMM is a very successful park, if not neglected, and if I had the money, it's worth the investment. Believe me, according to my business friends out in California, it won't take that much.... a flats package, negotiating reduced electric rates, continue sprucing up the landscaping, remove Flashback, get Del Holland out of there, and maintain the park. The park is world- renowned, and I'm sure the shock wave felt today will backfire on Shapiro if he goes through with closing this park. > > The last paragraph in the above article summarizes it best, people will look elsewhere to spend their vacation time and money if nothing new and exciting is going on at a park. I haven't been to WDW in 10 years as there's really nothing new there I want to see. Same thing with BGT, I was last there in 2000. I literally walked out of KBF in 1999 as there was nothing I really wanted to do or see. SFMM has always been in this fan boys heart, but not for the records, but for the types of rides, and atmosphere. Granted I was last there in 1999, but SFMM has always been a destination, and that's another thing, make it a resort like the rumors on screamscape have been saying for years. Where's the money to do it? Look above and you have your answer - sell every Premier Park that the chain inherited by default. It's all about families, right Mr. Shapiro??? It's time to do it!!! > > Joe > > Tampa, FL > Dave Rounds From greding@intergate.com Sun Jun 25 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@intergate.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3936 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 20:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 20:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 20:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 20:56:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:56:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.227.130.205 From: "Tom G." Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207556770; y=G5Z0kfOZe7egu_usFyVIgl1fmIcoB-4GWeSXmIXO3ulFlw X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 I believe in the case of SFMM, the term "rowdy teens" takes on a=20 little extra meaning compared to other parts of the country. Now it=20 has been many years since I have lived in the LA area, but while=20 visiting my parents a few years back we were discussing going to=20 SFMM, and their comment to me was something like "you don't want to=20 go there, that place has been overrun by gang-bangers". I don't=20 know how true this is, but I believe the perception of many LA area=20 residents is that SFMM has been infested with drug dealers, and gang- related shootings and stabbings there are common fare. So when Mr. Shapiro says "unruly behavior by the teens" who "loiter=20 in the park and hate my no-smoking policy", one could translate that=20 as "unruly LA-area gang members" who "fight, stab and kill each=20 other, deal drugs, and spread graffiti all over my poorly-themed=20 line queues!" > > "unruly behavior by the teens, who gravitate to the giant dips=20 and=20 > > turns of Magic Mountain's 17 roller coasters, have driven=20 families=20 > > away from the theme park, Shapiro said. >=20 >=20=20 > >Shapiro said he=20 > > wanted to reduce the company's reliance on 'teens that drive our=20 > > security problems =85 who loiter in the park, hate my no-smoking=20 > > policy and don't spend money.' From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 14:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78812 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=TMcDxHksOst8AmZuPOSi66NEwtsfrUlSFdpNcXd-I8cAujT-BdF6G9Di2A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tom G." wrote: >one could translate that=20 > as "unruly LA-area gang members" who "fight, stab and kill each=20 > other, deal drugs, and spread graffiti all over my poorly-themed=20 > line queues!" lol well then maybe they just need to theme the entire park to the=20 Batman areas of their parks and go for that "industrial wasteland"=20 look. then the violence and graffiti fit right in!=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 14:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59970 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 21:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 21:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1244 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2006 21:44:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060625214453.1242.qmail@web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.228.226] by web37413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:44:53 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:44:53 -0700 (PDT) To: Carouselhorse , RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Test your reflexes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qpRf7PlT-xDbDckh7QdcybjLfJvU3X3RS7M4xuq41KJnCGHCGA51 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a problem in quick reflexive response:=20 =20 You are driving in a car at a constant speed On your=20 left side is a valley and on your right side is a fire engine=20 traveling at the same speed as you.=20 =20=20 In front of you is a galloping pig which is the same size as your car and y= ou cannot overtake it. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Jun 25 15:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51534 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 22:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 22:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 22:23:57 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.523.1a63db2 (15866) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID65-3dfa449f0cf534e; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:23:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:23:52 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <449F0CF8.3010804@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Coney Island Mermaid Parade X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=s2p9Ffd5WP6IlsKukbkBIoCXswJqkCeqp67Cp4whvZYLEqEcIw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo As usual, pictures are embeded for discussion forums. If you would like=20 to see the report with pictures, please visit: http://gadvupdates.com/forums/index.php?topic=3D694.msg7958 Hope you enjoy :-) Coney Island Mermaid Parade June 24, 2006 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77523864-L.jpg I am not sure you could ask for a more gloomy day for a parade.=20 Typically, it is bright, sunny, and hot, but no, not today. While it=20 was warm, a hazy gloom fell upon Coney Island, and a blanket of fog=20 rolled in and out of the beach. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77662551-L.jpg That, however, did not dampen the spirits of the marchers. I got to Coney a little after 11AM. I usually park on the street, but=20 instead decided to park in the aquarium=E2=80=99s lot. It used to be that= =20 parking there was cheap, but you had to get there early. Well, no=20 longer. Now it is a whooping 22 bucks, but that comes with a free=20 ticket to the aquarium, making parking ten if you actually wanted to=20 visit the aquarium, which, really, I didn=E2=80=99t. But, since I was so e= arly,=20 I ended up deciding to go in anyway. The aquarium is nothing really exciting, but I did manage to get some=20 very nice photos. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77634763-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77636055-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77634017-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77632174-L.jpg After leaving the aquarium, I wondered around the parks for a while,=20 keeping my eye pealed for the Liberian Goddess (AKA adriahea AKA=20 Danielle) and the Chechnyan Rebel (AKA hrrytraver AKA Tom), but found=20 neither before the parade started. I am not sure how to best describe what the parade is. If you are from=20 Philly like me, it is best described as New York=E2=80=99s version of the=20 Mummer=E2=80=99s, on a smaller scale, and with just the comics. They call = it an=20 =E2=80=9Cstreet art=E2=80=9D parade, which I suppose works. All I can real= ly tell you=20 is you have to see it for yourself. I started out watching the parade from the boardwalk near Astroland, but=20 the press photographers were also there and kept getting in the way, so=20 I headed further and further down the boardwalk toward the end where I=20 could get some clear shots, so here they are: The official unofficial Mayor of Coney Island: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77523792-L.jpg I call these Lobster Ladies: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77524300-L.jpg The King and Queen: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77526435-L.jpg Some dancing beach bums: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77531187-L.jpg Having a great time: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77531583-L.jpg Mer-Mateys: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637249-L.jpg Dead men tell no tales: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637504-L.jpg Not sure what these ladies were: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77526175-L.jpg Finally, a few Mermaids, little mermaid, big tail: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77524652-L.jpg Mermaid Suffragettes: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77524851-L.jpg More mermaids: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77525156-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637274-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637372-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637424-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637448-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77637471-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77531916-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77528999-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77529224-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77529636-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77529495-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77527782-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77528540-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77528610-L.jpg Along the route I meet up with Danielle, who is sporting her vintage=20 bathing suit with the Polar Bears: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77524784-L.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77524919-L.jpg We meet again at the end of the parade route where we hang for a bit=20 before heading to the Polar Bear=E2=80=99s Summertime Headquarters, marked = by a=20 sign Danielle created for the club: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532235-L.jpg She gives Tom a call and within a few minutes I am meeting him and his=20 lovely girlfriend Jackie: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532301-L.jpg Tom is a pretty interesting guy, well traveled, he is the eclectic=20 Bohemian sort. We hung for a time talking about this and that before=20 finally deciding we had to ride something, and the Wonder Wheel seemed=20 ideal since the Cyclone was closed for some reason (weather perhaps): http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532449-L.jpg Jackie had never been on the Wonder Wheel and was taken by surprise by=20 the swinging car. We all were, really, because on one swing we hit is=20 just right and just kept rocking back and forth. And then the rain=20 came, and came, and came. It started pouring into the car, so much so=20 Danielle put her umbrella up, in the car: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532504-L.jpg We got off and made our way to Nathan=E2=80=99s for some grub. The rain ju= st=20 kept coming down in bucketsful, and everyone dodged for cover: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532618-L.jpg It was even too much for a mermaid: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/77532693-L.jpg We hit the nearby candy shop and then called it quits. Tom had to get=20 going anyway, and riding on a weekend at the parks was just too=20 expensive anyhow. We did have a great time none the less, and I got=20 some great photos, so be sure to check them out, there are a few I=20 decided were best not posted in this report: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/1597455 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/1599142 Hope you enjoyed. I decided to let the pictures do the talking here. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tails.htm The insensitivity rolls on... From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 18:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5983 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 01:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 01:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 01:34:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 01:34:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 01:34:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:34:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=LcuF_L8W_Q84QB3-c6dlIflloNvMpCpwohLTbaaj8fdToZVl2A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tom G." wrote: > >one could translate that=20 > > as "unruly LA-area gang members" who "fight, stab and kill each=20 > > other, deal drugs, and spread graffiti all over my poorly-themed=20 > > line queues!" >=20 > lol well then maybe they just need to theme the entire park to the=20 > Batman areas of their parks and go for that "industrial wasteland"=20 > look. then the violence and graffiti fit right in! I think the short term answer is to 'unbrand' the park back to Magic Mountain for at least a while. They can fix the park, but it will take time. It is a market they should not abandon. For once, the bottom line RIGHT NOW, should be set aside, and work towards a viable future for the park. Should they relocate a few coasters? Maybe. Regardless, the park has worked as a family destination before, and it can again. As much as I think 'The Extreme Park' could really use the whole "Land of the Giants" package from Huss, what they really need to do is fix or replace the transport rides, and maybe, just maybe, install a themed dark ride or three? After the bigger faster closer trend has been shaken off, maybe they could put the Flags back out front.=20 Just my $0.02 Chris B From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 01:52:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47173 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 08:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 07:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 07:58:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:58:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.77.246.89 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=hbYa-jerDJg9Ju3hDE4inVCbbVTNr0TPSGvA_pjh7Imb3Yao9uvG X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tom G." wrote: > So when Mr. Shapiro says "unruly behavior by the teens" who "loiter=20 > in the park and hate my no-smoking policy", one could translate that=20 > as "unruly LA-area gang members" who "fight, stab and kill each=20 > other, deal drugs, and spread graffiti all over my poorly-themed=20 > line queues!" It's not like there's a rumble every night. There are a lot of teenagers, a good number of whom have gang tattoos, wear Raider jackets, act loud and obnoxious, jump lines, etc., but I haven't personally witnessed anything illegal going on there besides some marijuana smell.=20 There have been occasional incidents of fights at the park, including some big enough to make the nightly news last year (see message #22667): ------------ Dozens of Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies broke up a fight near the "Goliath" ride on Saturday night. As that fight was brought under control, a second fight broke out involving dozens of other people. Nobody was seriously hurt. At least 10 people were arrested, most of them juveniles, authorities said. The previous weekend, 20 people were arrested after a similar outbreak of violence at the park. ----------- So yes, there are gang problems at the park, but even in the most newsworthy incident, "nobody was seriously hurt." So don't blow things out of proportion; the rowdy teenagers can be an annoyance, but it's pretty rare for anything major to happen. I dunno, some people see a few cholos with scalp tattoos and run for cover; I grew up around that sort of thing and believe I can tell the difference between a gangster looking for trouble and a gangster waiting in line for a roller coaster (for that matter, not all Mexicans wearing Raider jackets are gang-bangers). Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 07:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1264 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 14:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 14:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 14:06:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 14:02:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:02:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=amubAcefhpcA4j_UJf8M_n9J4GXzTY0R-ACVew-zi74fTLrE79UtLmCNEA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > It's not like there's a rumble every night. There are a lot of > teenagers, a good number of whom have gang tattoos, wear Raider > jackets, act loud and obnoxious, jump lines, etc., but I haven't > personally witnessed anything illegal going on there besides some > marijuana smell.=20 heh and thats probably coming from the employees.=20 > So yes, there are gang problems at the park, but even in the most > newsworthy incident, "nobody was seriously hurt." So don't blow=20 things > out of proportion; the rowdy teenagers can be an annoyance, but=20 it's > pretty rare for anything major to happen. I dunno, some people see=20 a > few cholos with scalp tattoos and run for cover; I grew up around=20 that > sort of thing and believe I can tell the difference between a=20 gangster > looking for trouble and a gangster waiting in line for a roller > coaster (for that matter, not all Mexicans wearing Raider jackets=20 are > gang-bangers). like i said, even the best parks have problems. i would imagine that=20 if they do thorough searches at the gate and make sure they have a=20 proportionate number security guards everywhere in the park, the=20 problems would be minimal. i think that would keep the fighting at=20 bay, and definitely would make families feel more secure to see a=20 strong police presence. blaming kids for the problems in the park=20 and then refusing to do anything about it is like blaming video=20 games or hollywood for the decay of society.=20 From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 08:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68279 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 14:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 14:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 14:39:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 14:39:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:39:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Conneaut Lake Blue Streak hit by lightning. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=YGgQFFYB2e9akmtZLVgEleArbyxCl6fCmsUw94wSXODLKO16I5M_RxA X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Anybody see this? I can't believe there luck!=20 Matt =20 =20 Published June 23, 2006 12:18 am - SUMMIT TOWNSHIP =97 It was over in=20 an instant, but seeing Conneaut Lake Park's Blue Streak roller=20 coaster hit by lightning is something three people say they won't=20 forget. Conneaut Lake Park's Blue Streak struck by lightning By Keith Gushard=20 06/23/06 =97=20 SUMMIT TOWNSHIP =97 It was over in an instant, but seeing Conneaut=20 Lake Park's Blue Streak roller coaster hit by lightning is something=20 three people say they won't forget. =20 "There was a bright flash, a bang and then sparks and smoke," said=20 Ron Proper, a ride operator for the Blue Streak. "I screamed like a little girl," said Vanessa Rolfe. "It sent chills up me," added Mike Colburn. The only damage to the coaster in the 4 p.m. Thursday lightning=20 strike was to the 75-horsepower electric motor that powers the ride,=20 according to George Deshner, the amusement park's director of=20 operations. The motor dates from 1930 and is the ride's original=20 motor. Maintenance crews were installing a spare motor Thursday night and=20 the Blue Streak may be operational by the time the park opens today=20 at noon, Deshner said. However, that motor, acquired from a Wisconsin amusement park a few=20 years ago, hasn't been run. The roller coaster had been shut down because of thunderstorms and=20 lightning in the area and no one was on it when was struck around 4=20 p.m., said Proper. Colburn and Rolfe said they were struck by sparks from the=20 motorhouse =97 Colburn near his left shoulder and Rolfe on the top of=20 her right foot. The lightning bolt struck the metal chain that tows the ride's cars=20 up the first hill, Proper said. The energy was conducted down the=20 chain and into the ride's motorhouse burning out its 75-horsepower=20 motor. "There was a lot of sparks and smoke," said Proper, who was on the=20 ride's loading deck about 200 feet away from the motor house. Colburn and Rolfe were on the ride's exit ramp talking to Proper=20 when the bolt struck. "I thought it did catch on fire," Rolfe said. Firefighters from Summit Township and Conneaut Lake Park volunteer=20 fire departments were called to the scene, but there was no fire,=20 said Chief Gig King of Summit Township. H. LeRoy Stearns, the court-appointed custodian of Conneaut Lake=20 Park, said the park keeps abreast of weather conditions in the area=20 and shuts down rides when lightning is reported within 20 miles. =20 From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jun 26 11:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73391 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 18:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 18:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 18:20:02 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.489.36207f2 (15863) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df744a02536311; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:19:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:19:36 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44A02538.2040406@aol.com> References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=jyrDycMKTu5QSGEo9AW4WWJBJHmSHdRB-iAgSdyoOqfw1a3mng X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo george burnash wrote on 6/23/2006, 7:43 AM: > > That's a good summation of my initial thoughts. I don't see how selling > SFMM is going to benefit the company in any way, and can think of a huge > number of ways that it's going to hurt them (e.g. removing one of the > parks with the largest attendance from one of the largest markets in the > country) > > Seems like it'll finish off the destruction they've wrought on Denver > and Elitch Gardens over the years too. > > Noticed the stock prices took a huge hit, and just as predicted the > attendance numbers are off 13% chain wide. So anyone who was a Shapiro > fan starting to rethink it yet? > > keep on ridin' > George I actually think it is a good move. It sits on land that is valuable, and the park has been a thorn in the chain's side for a long time. I think the real mistake here is the sale of the waterparks. As for attendance going down, what you failed to mention was that while attendance was down, per-capita spending is up. This, I think, is a good thing. The parks can better concentrate of service, and that better consentration is translating into higher sales inside the parks. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tales.htm The insensitivity rolls on... From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jun 26 11:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77488 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 18:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 18:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 18:21:34 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.523.1c199b0 (15888) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1044a025a43d3; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:21:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:21:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060623114541.4743.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A025A6.6080000@aol.com> References: <20060623114541.4743.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=IEy13VIYU8xTf5RC5XkFDV0nyJmj-cqBEcCaz5CduOXWjd6JjA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jeremy Norris wrote on 6/23/2006, 7:45 AM: > > I'm not sure how 6FMM isn't considered a 'core' > > park, but it would > > just continue to fit in the long chain of mistakes > > made in the name of > > Six Flags. > > Oooh! Oooh! A question that I can actually answer! In > Shapiros mind, "core parks" are those that would fit > into his model of what a SF park should be, i.e. one > that is family friendly. With its stunning lack of > flats, heavy emphasis on roller coaster and "Xtreme > Park" marketing/reputation, SFMM is no longer percived > as a "family-friendly" park. To make it into that > image would take a fair amount of cash (e.g. fixing > the tower/funicular, getting a flat package from > Huss/Zamperla) and more importatnly, time. > > And the most frustrating thing about such a conversion > is, that at the end of the day, it would *still* be a > substandard product when compared to Disney. Sure, > that is okay for a park like SFGAm which is 1500miles > away from Disney, but for many SFMM visitors, it's > practically just down the street. I think Shapiro > feels he cant "out-disney" Disney in Disney's > backyard. > jeremy Give that man a cigar! -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tales.htm The insensitivity rolls on... From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Jun 26 11:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25998 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 18:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 18:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-58.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.38) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 18:32:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 1124 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2006 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fuvrj-0002ix-HU for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:31:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44A02538.2040406@aol.com> References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <44A02538.2040406@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A1E9FDD-948A-4381-8C5E-FCD4B0E3FB23@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:35:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=UagqvA48OUIYQdkm4Gjfdm0BJIObXtIEenEMQwhVSTfxGSeUKkTp X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Noticed the stock prices took a huge hit, and just as predicted the >> attendance numbers are off 13% chain wide. So anyone who was a >> Shapiro >> fan starting to rethink it yet? >> >> keep on ridin' >> George > > I actually think it is a good move. It sits on land that is valuable, > and the park has been a thorn in the chain's side for a long time. I > think the real mistake here is the sale of the waterparks. > > As for attendance going down, what you failed to mention was that > while > attendance was down, per-capita spending is up. This, I think, is a > good thing. The parks can better concentrate of service, and that > better consentration is translating into higher sales inside the > parks. The thing about the per capita spending, was it actually the spending inside the park? Because tickets have gone up 10$ in some parks, and parking has gone up $5, while the per captia has only gone up $4 something. So if it was just in general, most of the reason is probably due to the increased prices, not people actually *wanting* to spend more... at least the way it seems to me. Economics and business is my weak subject, though. Mike From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 26 13:40:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42894 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 20:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 20:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 20:34:06 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5QKY24R009315 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6995f$deaa3f80$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:34:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: GOOD NEWS FOR SF DARIEN LAKE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=131XA2ACMnig-yxg1JJnie2c5RdP_h3ciwaz-sLKiFTyDFI9sO08 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buffalo, NY (WBEN) - The man who once owned the property where Darien Lake theme park stands says he would consider buying the park from Six Flags if it were to go on the market. Paul Snyder tells NewsRadio 930 WBEN he would keep the park the way it is, and would suggest any prospective buyer do so. Meantime, it's business as usual at Six Flags Darien Lake, with the focus on the Big Kahuna tubing ride opening up. General Manager Bradley Paul says he'll let corporate make the business decisions. He'll focus on running a great theme park. http://www.wben.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=05246 What I find interesting is IF it goes on the market? Does this mean that, eventhough Six Flags is waving the possible FOR SALE signs at the parks, it hasn't decided to pump more money into them or just reliqnuish them? It goes back to "strategic options", I guess. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 26 14:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74943 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:09:12 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5QL99qU000908 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c69964$c694d5e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: O.C.'s Great Park to Join the Land of Aahs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=HxXiDTdJ-8DlpMfZDYhtwH8COZ-83KtmLQ6iCgEx0lkP9wQOXiZv X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an article no one has picked up on..... http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-balloon23jun23,1,2495023.story I am wondering why this hasn't surfaced, and no one has posted it. This is a new park that is to take up 1300 acres of was once the EL TORO MARINE BASE in California. Here's some excerpts from the full article: Officials said they hoped the sight would lure the curious to the park, which is scheduled to be under construction for eight years. The tethered balloon will "send a signal . that the Great Park has arrived," said Walkie Ray, a director of the Orange County Great Park Corp., which gave the go-ahead Thursday to the balloon plan. http://www.ocgp.org/default.asp Joe Tampa, FL ***I now have a subscription to www.latimes.com to monitor the happenings out there!*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 14:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72127 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:20:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c69964$c694d5e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: O.C.'s Great Park to Join the Land of Aahs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=P_O-O_MNnF0qEGWfLBy9hLwaNRFQ46Uv-QMTicJ_eqNI5zSv5BRg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > I am wondering why this hasn't surfaced, and no one has posted=20 > it. This is a new park that is to take up 1300 acres of was once > the EL TORO MARINE BASE in California.=20=20 The Great Park plan isn't an amusement park, it's basically a big=20 city/regional park, with open space, recreation facilities, bandshell,=20 museums, etc. You can see details here: http://www.ocgp.org/ It looks cool, but it's more like Central Park or Griffith Park and=20 such in terms of amenities, not an amusement park. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 26 14:27:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64925 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5QLKTE2010265 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401c69966$5b95dda0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: WORK TO BEGIN ON MAGIC MOUNTAIN PARKWAY/I-5 EXPANSION PROJECT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=hRNsxWkQS7K8f3N3tLnzX3nF1sHEuvI8Cnyi4dT34YfW1j6Y41Yi X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WORK TO BEGIN ON MAGIC MOUNTAIN PARKWAY/I-5 EXPANSION PROJECT Two-Year Project Will Focus on Highly Used Roads and Freeway Ramps For those who regularly travel the areas around Six Flags, Magic Mountain Parkway, the Valencia Industrial Center and The Old Road, the Expansion of Magic Mountain Parkway/I-5, including the freeway on/off ramps, will be welcome news indeed! A special groundbreaking event will be held for the Magic Mountain Parkway/I-5 Expansion Phase 2 project on Friday, June 16 at 11 a.m. The location for the event is on The Old Road, directly across the street from Hamburger Hamlet. The City of Santa Clarita, working in partnership with the County of Los Angeles, Caltrans, MTA/METRO and Newhall Land, will begin constructing this multi-million dollar project that will have a huge impact on traffic flow near the Valley's major work centers. Completion of this project will help relieve existing and future traffic congestion, including measures to improve safety, increasing roadway capacity to meet future anticipated development and traffic growth. The road improvements include facilitating various utilities relocation by The Gas Company, Southern California Edison, AT&T, Exxon Mobil pipeline, Los Angeles County Sanitation District, Castaic Lake Water Agency, Valencia Water Company and other affected utility companies in the area of road improvements. There are 11 stages factored in to these improvements; the duration of each stage will range from 10 to 100 working days. The goal of "stage construction" is to maintain a minimum of two traffic lanes in each direction throughout the entire construction duration on the mainline, ramps, and local streets. Periods of short-term lane reductions to a single lane in each direction will be minimized and are anticipated to occur only during the transition period between stages. MORE EXPANSION Page 2 This multi-faceted and complex project includes the reconstruction of the Interstate 5/Magic Mountain Parkway Interchange and the realignment of The Old Road. This includes reconstruction of all four freeway ramps, widening of Magic Mountain Parkway from The Old Road to the proposed northbound ramps, necessary tapers on Magic Mountain Parkway to join existing, and realignment and widening of The Old Road from approximately 550 meters south of Magic Mountain Parkway to approximately 450 meters north of Magic Mountain Parkway. Realignment of The Old Road and Magic Mountain Parkway involves relocation of the Chevron gas station, to be performed by Newhall Land and is scheduled to be completed by early 2007, from its current location to a new location directly west where the new intersection will be located. During Magic Mountain Parkway/I-5 Phase 1, two bridges were replaced -- at Magic Mountain Parkway and at the Santa Clara River -- in preparation for additional improvements during Phase 2. The contractor, Security Paving, has 520 working days to complete the work and construction is anticipated to begin this summer. It is estimated that construction will be completed by September 2008. The total cost for this project, including design, environmental work, property acquisition and construction is approximately $43.7 million which is primarily being paid for by the Valencia and the proposed Westside Bridge and Thoroughfare Districts through an advancement of funds from Newhall Land ($33.2 million). The Valencia Bridge and Thoroughfare District is a joint District administered by the City of Santa Clarita and the County of Los Angeles. The proposed Westside Bridge and Thoroughfare District will be administered by the County of Los Angeles. The remaining funds for this highly anticipated project are coming from MTA/METRO ($10.5 million). "This project is another great example of a public/private partnership that will enhance the quality of life for all of the residents of our Valley. We want to acknowledge our partners for contributing funding and design/permitting assistance for this much needed project," commented Mayor Laurene Weste. A project of this magnitude is complex and can be disruptive. We will be doing everything we can to make sure that traffic continues to flow, that businesses is open and that we post adequate signs to direct people there. If there are detours or lane closures, the City will be providing project signs in the area, as well as providing advance information via the media and technology," she added. For those who would like to be added to the City's email blast list to receive information about the Magic Mountain/I-5 expansion project, that information is available at: www.santa-clarita.com. Click on the eNotify icon (lower left on homepage), follow the prompts to sign up to receive information via your email on the Magic Mountain/I-5 expansion project and major alerts that may occur with the project. For more information, please contact the City's Public Works Department at: 661-286-4172. # # # Release Date: 6/14/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 14:33:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70089 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.233) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:33:41 -0000 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o24so168790qba for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.62.20 with SMTP id k20mr9231995wxa; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.1 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:33:40 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c69964$c694d5e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001a01c69964$c694d5e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: O.C.'s Great Park to Join the Land of Aahs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=C2pLEBnuCI2W0YsrDH96vR-IWBiRl0rpXxNVFn7ISPtObBquz1kbgCI X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >On 6/26/06, THUNDER7NYFL wrote: Here's an article >no one has picked up on..... > >http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-balloon23jun23,1,2495023.story > >I am wondering why this hasn't surfaced, and no one has posted it. This is a new park >that is to take up 1300 acres of was once >the EL TORO MARINE BASE in California. Yeah, that's right by where I go to school, so I've heard about the Great Park project before. I didn't know anything about the balloon ride. That's interesting. But like Adam said, don't expect much as far as rides. It's just a really big recreational park. Though I can always hope... -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 26 17:06:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97103 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 00:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 00:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 00:06:32 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5R06U1p007599 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6997d$8d87d950$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:06:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: ACCIDENTS: Thunder River at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=TyP7DxjpgYRaztCFxWzvUPphrqqD1hWcYxF2PIkYlThuBvqMIk69 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thunder River at Six Flags Over Georgia 6/20/2006 When we came out of the first tunnel on Thunder River the wave jerked our boat and it made my six year old son go completely sideways. He hit the to protruding pieces that are beside the steps on the boat. He had a huge gash taht was gushing blood. Luckily my mother had a paper towel with her so I was able to place it on his wound and apply pressure. We yelled to one of the monitors that are placed around the ride and she got on her walkie talkie. We had no choice but to finish out the ride. When we got to the "boat house," they knew nothing of the accident. They contacted first aid and within ten minutes or so we had someone there. They basically put a fresh gauze on it and told us to go the ER. The head of the first aid area told us they inspected the boat and there was no blood found on it. Well, no kidding....it is a water ride and it happened at the beginning of the ride. Our clothes showed the severity of his cut. He ended up with six stitches to his eyebrow. This is not a safe ride. The ridges need to be padded and each seat needs its on seatbelt. This was posted on a blog on AOL from someone who was at the park.... and the information appears on www.themeparkinsider.com/accidents Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 02:00:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99008 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 09:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 09:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 09:00:15 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5QFCxjo018221 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:13:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=GRDHw459QS5IvG2zcnEjWcPUBJYHWS1hk7kzsy3tp99a-JQ72QaFvZLasg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've been meaning to respond to a few issues about the Six Flags clearing house sale... I've also convinced myself that, at least in the case of SFMM, this may just be a giant bluff on the part of management to draw guests back to the park for one last visit just in case they do close it. You can read my lengthy report on that issue in this morning's Screamscape.com updates. On to the other matters... There have been some comparisons to SFMM's operational calendar and attendance compared with it's seasonal sister parks in Chicago and New Jersey.. > SFMM has 264 operating days each year. SFGAm has just 136 (about > half). And yet they attracted the same number of people last year. > That means that on any given day, SFMM has just *half* the people in > the park that SFGAm has. That's disasterous for SFMM! > > SFGAdv - the chain's other huge park - has slightly more operating > days than SFGAm (157). But it also attracts more people. On a > average day, SFGAdv attracts about 18,500 people/day. SFGAm attracts > about 20,500 people/day. SFMM attracts a dismal 10,600 people/day. > Keep in mind that SFGAm has the smallest population base of the three. But this is hardly disasterous for SFMM. It's just reflective of the nature of the SoCal business where many locals have come to know that SFMM is just hotter than hell in the summer and that they would rather visit in the spring, fall or even winter instead. SFMM is also still quite crowded on any given summer day, which the SoCal tourist savvy public know all about and again will move their own visits to other times of year to avoid the mess. When you have a season park with only a few months of operation each year rather than year-round operation, the public doesn't get that option and of course they all cram their visits into the same time period. You could switch SFMM to have the same seasonal schedule as the other Six Flags parks, but attendance would likely remain the same, only you would have a very over-crowded park each day in the summer and create a lot more guest disatisfaction. Also, there are advantages to SFMM staying open year round. The rides are kept in fresh running condition at all times and ready to go, instead letting them sit and rot for months in the snow and then trying to bring things back to life again by the start of the season. They can also keep trained staff in the park year-round instead of starting from scratch each year, which is a big time saver as well. Sure, they have to hire in the summer but its easier to hire a portion of your overall staff at once rather than staff an entire park all at once. > The old management's mistake was continuing to consider SFMM as one of > the "big three" parks just because it happened to be in one of the top > three metropolitan areas in the country. The new management is being > much more logical - the park does not attract nearly the amount of > people it needs to be considered "top three." The potential is there, > but it's simply not performing. SFMM is top three for sure... make no mistake. However, you are right that it has not been firing on all cylenders for a few years now. Another issue I take on in more details on my Screamscape.com report. > Six Flags Darien Lake > -Not a huge attendance draw > -Small park that dilutes the brand name > -Was hugely overinvested in by former management and now has an identity > crisis I don't know if it was ever hugely overinvested in. From the look of things, the park was given money to rebrand it and build Superman back in 1999 and they've let it rot ever since. They added a couple of rides before this (Mind Eraser) but nothing really signifigant. I've seen no huge ammount of investment in the park since 1999, which is probably the biggest reason for it underperforming in today's market. Also when I visited in 1999, the park just didn't seem to have the Six Flags atmosphere. It was a beast all its own but with a Six Flags nametag, so I will admit the identity crisis. As I've said elsewhere, I think the park is misunderstood. But one reason they may try to sell it off is the fact that it's stiting on nearly 1000 acres of property. The park's in the middle of nowhere, so I'm not sure if anyone would develop it, but I think it's a great little park that could use the right collection of new rides and old-school charm that could be mixed in to make it a great family destination. > Six Flags Elitch Gardens > -Land is in a prime location for development and could be sold for big > money > -Small park with little room for expansion > -Not a huge attendance draw I think this park is doomed myself as well. No hope of growth as a park and they never should have moved it from it's old location. > Wild Waves & Enchanted Village > -Small, unbranded park with very low attendance > -No room for expansion > -Is primarily a waterpark with a few amusement rides I think they're just looking to make the quick flip here. They took a small park, made cheap overall improvements and could flip it to another local owner looking to make a go of it. The park will never become a Six Flags park, so it is not needed. Personally I never understood why the old management bought it in the first place. > Six Flags Waterworld & Six Flags Splashdown It's an easy market to shed solitary waterparks, but they wont make big money from these either. No need to use the Six Flags brand on solo waterparks either, especially when they can focus on their own Hurricane Harbor brand at onsite parks. > The only thing here that doesn't make sense is why SFKK isn't on this > list. My guess is they're still looking into their options with that > park, but I don't see it sticking around for long. While SFKK would ideally fit into the short list as well, the problem comes from the complex property issues around the park being on site at the local fairgrounds and near the airport. It just may be too sticky a situation to ever use the site for anything other than a theme park. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 07:44:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24658 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 14:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 14:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 14:30:56 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so2472667ugf for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr6121086ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:30:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=CounDlXfR-2LwRTEyPs0AHsS6a7b9lRhqLq-hICnnZmS1V4WQ9prBdE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I've also convinced myself that, at least in the case of SFMM, this may just > be a giant bluff on the part of management to draw guests back to the park > for one last visit just in case they do close it. I don't think any corporation would make such a huge move just for the purpose of drawing in a few thousand extra people. There are many, many huge reasons for selling SFMM. I think it makes far more sense to actually sell the park, in fact, rather than hanging on to it. > But this is hardly disasterous for SFMM. It's just reflective of the nature > of the SoCal business where many locals have come to know that SFMM is just > hotter than hell in the summer and that they would rather visit in the > spring, fall or even winter instead. No, the problem is that people aren't visiting at all. As I pointed out, the average daily attendance at SFMM is the same as the average daily attendance at SFEG. You're telling me that's not disasterous for SFMM? The park has an *enormous* daily operating budget, and you're not going to convince me that SFMM can survive with the same daily income as a park a quarter of its size. Magic Mountain has probably the largest daily operating budget in the entire chain. And yet it certainly doesn't have the daily attendance to support those expenses. That's not a minor problem, it's a fatal one. > SFMM is also still quite crowded on any given summer day, which the SoCal tourist savvy public know all about and > again will move their own visits to other times of year to avoid the mess. You're arguing two different things here, and I don't buy either of them. First you claim that people aren't visiting in the summer and are instead waitin for the cooler months. Then you're claiming that it's too busy in the summer to visit anyway. Okay, so when isn't it busy? WIth an average daily attendance that's *half* of the other parks its size, there's no way it's always busy. I'd be far more inclinced to believe it's *never* busy outside of a few select days. > You could > switch SFMM to have the same seasonal schedule as the other Six Flags parks, > but attendance would likely remain the same, only you would have a very > over-crowded park each day in the summer and create a lot more guest > disatisfaction. You'd also have a profitable park because your operating expenses would be cut in half. I think this is actually an option that management should seriously consider. I certainly don't believe there would be any major impact on guest (dis)satisfaction. From the numbers I've seen, SFMM logs some of the most complaints in the entire chain. This is a park that's driving away dissatisfied customers in record numbers. And you're telling me that cutting down on operating expenses is going to hurt the park? That's really not the problem here. > Also, there are advantages to SFMM staying open year round. The rides are > kept in fresh running condition at all times and ready to go, instead > etting them sit and rot for months in the snow Really? Last I heard, SFMM almost never runs their rides at full capacity. They've removed a significant number of flat rides over the years. Many buildings are sitting empty and unused. In fact, from everything I've read, it seems that SFMM is just plain faling apart. I don't hear that about parks like SFGAm or SFGAdv. If anything, year-round operation is a huge DRAIN on the park, not an advantage. Nobody is being fooled here - Magic Mountain's rides are most definitely not being kept in any "fresh running condition." > SFMM is top three for sure... make no mistake. In what way? Certainly not in attendance, which is simply pathetic for a park that size. Certainly not in guest satisfaction, since guest complaint numbers are staggering at Tragic Mountain. Certainly not in setting an example of family friendly. There's really nothing "top three" about Magic Mountain...but there are several things for which one could consider Magic Mount" bottom three". > > Six Flags Darien Lake > > -Not a huge attendance draw > > -Small park that dilutes the brand name > > -Was hugely overinvested in by former management and now has an identity > > crisis > I don't know if it was ever hugely overinvested in. Sure it was. After Premier first purchased the park, they dumped tons of cash into the park trying to turn it into a Six Flags. In the first fifteen years of that park's operation, they built just two roller coasters. Between 1996 and 1999 they built *four* coasters (that is, one every year). That's a ridiculously bad move for a park that size. It was a tiny park with no major population base to support it. It survived for years as a camping resort with a small amusement and water park attached to it. A park that size should have *never* been given a $10 million hypercoaster, especially after just receiving three other new coasters! There's no way they could ever recoup that investment, and that was a big problem. Now it has a severe identity crisis because it's a tiny park with a few major expensive rides. It's not underperforming because of a lack of new attractions (on the contrary, attendance has been relatively stable since Superman in 1999). It's underperforming because there's no population base to support the park. > While SFKK would ideally fit into the short list as well, the problem comes > from the complex property issues around the park being on site at the local > fairgrounds and near the airport. It just may be too sticky a situation to > ever use the site for anything other than a theme park. And that's exactly why Six Flags should unload it. The situation is too complicated and too much of a hassle to hang on to a severely underperforming park. If it's time to let any park go, it's this one. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 10:02:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13411 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 17:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 17:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 17:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 17:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 17:00:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:00:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=gmDkTN33mSF8HuszDx5U2jwER3F7awK6iP9q6h4LnDW0cwnsUBAu X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > I don't think any corporation would make such a huge move just for=20 > the purpose of drawing in a few thousand extra people. Lance points out on Screamscape that this strategy worked for=20 Disneyland with the Main Street Electrical Parade. > There are many,many huge reasons for selling SFMM. I think it=20 > makes far more sense to actually sell the park, in fact, rather=20 > than hanging on to it. Rowdy teenagers isn't much of a reason to sell the park, though;=20 there are plenty of ways to turn that much around. The real reasons=20 would be the high operating costs and the high real estate potential=20 of the property. It's worth noting, though, that such a move would=20 have to clear through the City of Santa Clarita, though. Considering=20 that the community of Valencia was planned from the beginning with=20 the amusement park there, they could very well decide that housing=20 isn't an appropriate use for the site. Lawyers would get involved,=20 public hearings, yada yada yada... the main point being that if it=20 is going away, it's not quite an open-and-shut case. Also, as others have noted, a good number of the assets at the park=20 can't really be sold off very easily, since they're integrated into=20 the terrain. That might just bump up the asking price, though. > Magic Mountain has probably the largest daily operating budget in=20 > the entire chain. And yet it certainly doesn't have the daily=20 > attendance to support those expenses. That's not a minor problem,=20 > it's a fatal one. It's also got a $60.00 admission price, which is 33% higher than=20 Elitch Gardens.=20 > You'd also have a profitable park because your operating expenses > would be cut in half. I think this is actually an option that > management should seriously consider. That's a valid point, but it pretty much boils down to "On any given=20 day, does it cost more to run the park than they bring in?" All this=20 talk about the park being "unprofitable" can really mean several=20 different things, and to be honest I don't know which one applies: 1. The park spends more money each day to run than it brings in. 2. On slow days, the park spends more money to run than it brings in. 3. The park makes money each day it's open, but it isn't enough to=20 be worth it as a long-term investment. 4. The park makes money, but the potential value of the land as real=20 estate is even higher. The outcomes from each of these scenarios is different. I guess the=20 big question as far as you're concerned is how the total attendance=20 would change if the park were to go to an abbreviated operating=20 schedule. Personally I doubt this would be a good move. You're=20 assuming that the people who would otherwise go to the park in=20 February would just defer their visit to May or June. Some of that=20 would happen, sure. But there are a lot of other options open for=20 people in Southern California; Knott's, Universal, and Disneyland=20 are open every day of the year, including winter weekdays, and I=20 don't think operating costs at those parks are all that cheap. I=20 don't know exactly how it would fall out, but I seriously doubt that=20 there wouldn't be a major drop in annual attendance if the park=20 drastically reduced its operating calendar. > I certainly don't believe there would be any major impact on=20 > guest (dis)satisfaction. From the numbers I've seen, SFMM logs=20 > some of the most complaints in the entire chain. This is a park=20 > that's driving away dissatisfied customers in record numbers. And=20 > you're telling me that cutting down on operating expenses is going=20 > to hurt the park? That's really not the problem here. Are you saying that with the level of guest dissatisfaction so high,=20 it doesn't really matter what they do because people will be=20 dissatisfied anyway? How does that jibe with your position that=20 attendance is poor? Are you betting that reduced operating schedule=20 + reduced customer satisfaction is the road to profitability simply=20 because operating costs would go down? That sounds more like a short- term money-saving plan than a plan for long-term profitability. =20 > Many buildings are sitting empty and unused. In fact, from > everything I've read, it seems that SFMM is just plain faling=20 > apart. This is not an accurate description of the park. Williams Grove was=20 falling apart. SFMM just doesn't show the same level of upkeep that=20 customers in the SoCal market expect from a major attraction. > > SFMM is top three for sure... make no mistake. >=20 > In what way? Certainly not in attendance, which is simply pathetic > for a park that size.=20 Total attendance in 2004 was second in the chain, just behind=20 SFGrAdv. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jun 27 10:52:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43662 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 17:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 17:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5RHWWQ1013811 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.165.27.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19184.12.165.27.130.1151429552.squirrel@12.165.27.130> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=cXqpvSW9uJSh92MGYiDG6DSIg3DCDmJahJ8mmmzhIHMeT3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Lance points out on Screamscape that this strategy worked for > Disneyland with the Main Street Electrical Parade. A parade is a far cry from an entire park, though. I really doubt this is a bluff, not when the stakes are so high. > Rowdy teenagers isn't much of a reason to sell the park, though; > there are plenty of ways to turn that much around. The real reasons > would be the high operating costs and the high real estate potential > of the property. Which is what Nate has been saying (I agree with Nate, which will become clearer as I continue this post) > It's also got a $60.00 admission price, which is 33% higher than > Elitch Gardens. But how many of those patrons pay the gate price, versus being repeat season pass customers? Averaging the same number of people per day as SFEG might actually be WORSE than EG even with the higher admission price, because with the year-round operations you could very well have the same core people going over and over (and indeed, that DOES seem to be the case with Magic Mountain). I'd be just as interested in both per-cap figures AND bottom line total-income-per-operating-day for each park. If SFMM truly squeezes more money out of each patron than the other parks do (unlikely), and rakes in enough to offset those operating costs, then maybe the situation isn't hopeless. > Total attendance in 2004 was second in the chain, just behind > SFGrAdv. For a major park that operates year round to come in SECOND in attendance to a seasonal park, is definitely NOT a good thing. With the market Magic Mountain is in, with the size of the park, and the full-year operating schedule, that park should have the highest attendance numbers in the chain. Yet it doesn't. Whether or not it's too late to save the park, the new management clearly doesn't have high hopes. -- -Greg From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 11:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51487 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 18:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 18:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 18:15:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 18:15:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.146.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: so if SF does sell some of its parks to real estate developers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=l4LpU00U2ZLIcqv6uBWnQ-sw6Zt_KA8KMYjJ1Q6BfctplXddz-U7T3EzOw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 ..what will happen to the rides? i understand with older parks a lot=20 of rides are just torn down and sold for scrap or hauled off as junk.=20 but a park like SFMM i just cant imagine X or Tatsu being demolished.=20 so would they move the rides to other parks, or sell them to other=20 chains? obviously the developers would have no interest in them. so=20 what happens to them?=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 11:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81352 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 18:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 18:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 18:19:57 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RFRqXF022414 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:28:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=odlKCYBXuUFgDENvGCeyX7mB0Y9pqPne7oJ1J-HOf0u2rQk3mGT2rRzh2w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I've also convinced myself that, at least in the case of SFMM, this may >> just >> be a giant bluff on the part of management to draw guests back to the >> park >> for one last visit just in case they do close it. > > I don't think any corporation would make such a huge move just for the > purpose of drawing in a few thousand extra people. It's done in the NFL all the time, when teams threaten to move to a new city unless they get what they want... a better percentage of the concessions or a new stadium or whatever... And it's not that big of a deal, because they said they were only looking at their options not a confirmed "we are closing the park" message. > No, the problem is that people aren't visiting at all. Too many people have been burned and I think they are going to try to bluff on the closure to get people to come and visit again, which will give them a chance to impress guests once more time and if they can change their opinions on the park, they will want to return. > As I pointed > out, the average daily attendance at SFMM is the same as the average > daily attendance at SFEG. You're telling me that's not disasterous > for SFMM? The park has an *enormous* daily operating budget, and > you're not going to convince me that SFMM can survive with the same > daily income as a park a quarter of its size. It's hard to compare average daily attendance from a seasonal park that is only open in peak season with a park that is open year round. Compare the numbers only from June to August and then see where your at. > You're arguing two different things here, and I don't buy either of > them. First you claim that people aren't visiting in the summer and > are instead waitin for the cooler months. Then you're claiming that > it's too busy in the summer to visit anyway. Okay, so when isn't it > busy? It isn't busy in the summer, so I know I used to avoid the park in July & August at all costs and visit the rest of the year. Oh and Spring Break used to be murder. Worst day I ever had at SFMM was in spring break where we got on a total of 2 rides that day. My point though, which doesn't reflect a summer visit in the last 6 years, that SFMM was simply too crowded to deal with on a summer day most of the time. In my opinion, it already felt like it was packed to capacity and anything more was a nightmare, as I experienced on Spring Break. SFGAdv may pack them in like sardines in the summer, but it's also a miserable time to visit the park. I know I really did not enjoy my one and only visit to SFGAdv and I'm still questioning if I would ever go back. > Really? Last I heard, SFMM almost never runs their rides at full > capacity. They used too... They've removed a significant number of flat rides over the > years. They have done that and it would be an easy problem to fix in just one season's worth of CapEx. > In fact, from > everything I've read, it seems that SFMM is just plain faling apart. > I don't hear that about parks like SFGAm or SFGAdv. SFGAdv was pretty much a nightmare when I visited in 1999. They had just added Medusa and a ton of new flat rides and then failed to staff the park. Half of the restaurants were closed, about a dozen of the flat rides were closed, plus a few other rides throughout the park, Chiller was already only running one side each day. (Batman for half the day, Robin for the other half) and it was just too crowded, and looked like crap. >> SFMM is top three for sure... make no mistake. > > In what way? Certainly not in attendance, which is simply pathetic > for a park that size. It used to be, but I don't have my numbers handy. They're still packed up since the big move. I'll look it up to see what their 2005 attendance was compared to a few years ago. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 12:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9043 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 19:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 19:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 19:02:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 19:02:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 19:02:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:02:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.226.172.27 From: "WILEY" Subject: Re: so if SF does sell some of its parks to real estate developers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=KC2PbzxZ7OYWdLrwo3wwhewVqE0xQuc9N0JMVxWleOou7JfZua8JF6fqTUJa3kJU X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > ..what will happen to the rides? i understand with older parks a lot=20 > of rides are just torn down and sold for scrap or hauled off as=20 junk.=20 > but a park like SFMM i just cant imagine X or Tatsu being=20 demolished.=20 > so would they move the rides to other parks, or sell them to other=20 > chains? obviously the developers would have no interest in them. so=20 > what happens to them? > I know in the past that parks have dismantled key rides and tried to=20 sell or relocate them. If they are unsuccessful with that then they=20 will normally scrap them. The main factor is whether they can find a=20 park willing to buy and relocate a ride like "X" or Tatsu, because it=20 wouldn't be cheap. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 12:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26605 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 19:26:53 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so2579942uge for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr6357561ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:14:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=O5SeE3GwYy1rKcGc0nC6dAwvl3xJwctmHk3YP6Mw49EeZk9-ORpspVg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Too many people have been burned and I think they are going to try to bluff > on the > closure to get people to come and visit again, which will give them a chance > to impress > guests once more time and if they can change their opinions on the park, > they will want > to return. SFMM's problems are far larger than a theoretical PR stunt like this could ever correct. I'm not saying it's beyond helping, but I am saying that's not what's going on here. The value of the land SFMM is sitting on is sky high. The park is dooring poorly attendance-wise and profit-wise. In other words, the park is going down the toilet and could be sold for major profit. So what, exactly, points to this just being a PR stunt? > It's hard to compare average daily attendance from a seasonal park that is > only open in peak season with a park that is open year round. Compare the > numbers only from June to August and then see where your at. The numbers from June-August are completely irrelevant because that's not the only time the park is open. So it's busy for those three months and they rake in the money then. Fine. It doesn't matter if they spend the next nine months losing money! And even if the park *is* busy during the summer, it's not nearly as busy as SFGAdv or SFGAm during their summer months. And when you figure SFMM is an even bigger park with a much larger population base to draw from, it's easy to see why SFMM is troubled. > It isn't busy in the summer, so I know I used to avoid the park in July & > August at all costs and visit the rest of the year. So then why are they open during the rest of the year if they're losing money the whole time? > SFGAdv was pretty much a nightmare when I visited in 1999. They had just > added Medusa and a ton of new flat rides and then failed to staff the park. > Half of the restaurants were closed, about a dozen of the flat rides were > closed, plus a few other rides throughout the park That sounds like the kind of thing that happens at seasonal parks in the spring when school is still in session. It's worth noting that SFGAdv retained its attendance throughout this, however, and remains significantly more successful than SFMM. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 12:33:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73752 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 19:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 19:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 19:26:42 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1597613ugf for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr6342143ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:54:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KRYGYzkCG_LYbZ0rmCxMyR0ps1DqKhXyZg247CY-hxSsb7IfS8-xtzA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Lance points out on Screamscape that this strategy worked for > Disneyland with the Main Street Electrical Parade. As Greg pointed out, closing a parade is a far cry from closing an entire park. On top of that, Disney *did* close the parade! Granted, they moved it back to California Adventure, but it's hard to say whether that was the original plan or whether they made the decision to bring it back based on the public's reaction to the parade leaving in the first place. > Rowdy teenagers isn't much of a reason to sell the park, though; > there are plenty of ways to turn that much around. I agree. I don't think anyone really thinks that's the reason for considering a sale. But it is a factor - because of the "rowdy teenager" crowd, attendance is down, in-park spending is down, and families are staying away. That means decreased profits, high operating costs, and an unsuccessful park. > It's worth noting, though, that such a move would > have to clear through the City of Santa Clarita, though. True. But as long as Six Flags has a developer who is willing to buy, I don't think it matters much. > Also, as others have noted, a good number of the assets at the park > can't really be sold off very easily, since they're integrated into > the terrain. Well, I think a good number of people are trying to use that argument to their advantage too. :-) The only coasters that couldn't be easily relocated are Ninja, Goldrusher, and Tatsu. Some of the other rides in the park sit on uneven terrain, but it's nothing extreme enough to limit relocation. Colossus and Psyclone would no doubt be scrapped. I'm sure Superman, Flashback, and Viper would be too. The shoot-the-chutes could go somewhere. The flumes would be scrapped, but they're also old rides. That's about the same amount of stuff that was relocated from Astroworld. > It's also got a $60.00 admission price, which is 33% higher than > Elitch Gardens. Greg covered this one. Even with a $60 admission fee, ten thousand people per day is pretty poor for a park that large. I don't have hard figures on that park's budget, but I would guess that comes dangerously close to breaking even, if not losing money. > 1. The park spends more money each day to run than it brings in. > 2. On slow days, the park spends more money to run than it brings in. > 3. The park makes money each day it's open, but it isn't enough to > be worth it as a long-term investment. > 4. The park makes money, but the potential value of the land as real > estate is even higher. My guess is that any of these four of these could be correct and it wouldn't make much difference. They all point to a pretty troubled park that Six Flags would probably be smart to get rid of. > I guess the > big question as far as you're concerned is how the total attendance > would change if the park were to go to an abbreviated operating > schedule. Personally I doubt this would be a good move. I don't think this is the only option that Six Flags could take with the park, nor do I think it would be the "quick fix" that would magically turn the park around. I do, however, think it could help things tremendously. By closing the park on days with low attendance (which I assume are those off-season days), you'd be saving money by cutting down significantly on your operating costs. Even if that dropped the overall yearly attendance, the park would be (on average) more profitable for the days it is open. I'm not naive enough to think that everyone who normally visits in the winter would magically start going in the summer if winter was no longer an option. That's not my argument here. My argument is for keeping the park open on its most profitable days and keeping it closed on the days its losing money. Many other Six Flags have taken similar (though not so dramatic) measures in the past few years to curb expenses. In addition, this would allow the park to perform very necessary off-season maintenance, which would means rides running in better condition and to capacity during the operating season, which in turn improves guest satisfaction. > Are you saying that with the level of guest dissatisfaction so high, > it doesn't really matter what they do because people will be > dissatisfied anyway? No. Lance claimed that closing the park during the winter would mean larger crowds in the summer and an increase in guesst dissatisfaction because of it. But guest dissatisfaction is already sky high! In other words, guests get pissed off whether the park is crowded or empty. That's obviously a major problem that needs to be corrected. But my argument is that guest dissatisfaction is obviously not contingent on crowds. > This is not an accurate description of the park. Williams Grove was > falling apart. SFMM just doesn't show the same level of upkeep that > customers in the SoCal market expect from a major attraction. Whether or not it's actually "falling apart" doesn't matter if the park's guests perceive it that way. > Total attendance in 2004 was second in the chain, just behind > SFGrAdv. It was actually tied with SFGAm for 2nd. But as I've pointed out several times now, overall yearly attendance is completely misleading because not all parks have the same number of operating days and thus the same expenses. You have to figure out an average per-day attendance figure in order to get an accurate picture of how well a park is doing attendance-wise. -Nate From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jun 27 12:34:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51167 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 19:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 19:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 19:29:46 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from webmail.jtan.com (sinope.jtan.com [207.106.84.145]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5RJSMQ1025629 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.165.27.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25889.12.165.27.130.1151436501.squirrel@12.165.27.130> In-Reply-To: <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:28:21 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=Q34Z3AeJpQSxyJ0Z9XdYB2XT_meVMV1_XrDg3r3-sBkWUIA X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > It's hard to compare average daily attendance from a seasonal park that is > only open in peak season > with a park that is open year round. Compare the numbers only from June > to > August and then see where your at. But they're still paying to RUN the park outside of that June to August range, so unless they draw absolutely MASSIVE numbers in that timeframe (and the averages would indicate otherwise), it doesn't net out. -- -Greg From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 14:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46374 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 20:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 20:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 20:56:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2006 20:56:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:56:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=V--wnF6WB5N-Tqq6GrmAMoF0A-97JkBeOHdDhkWgSPTiPiDhLIx5 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > And even if the park *is* busy during the summer, it's not nearly=20 > as busy as SFGAdv or SFGAm during their summer months. And when=20 > you figure SFMM is an even bigger park with a much larger=20 > population base to draw from, it's easy to see why SFMM is=20 > troubled. I should point out that SFMM's market is 2nd in the nation behind=20 SFGAdv, which can draw not only from New York, which is bigger than=20 L.A. to begin with*, but Philadelphia, too. I guess you could add=20 Bakersfield to the SFMM market, but that city's not that big. But your basic point is true: Magic Mountain is underperforming=20 relative to its operating cost. Coupled with the value of the land=20 as real estate, it could be doomed. Also, about the crowding issue at SFMM: Part of the problem is that=20 throughput is so bad (labor and maintenance costs =3D=3D single-train=20 operation) that even when in absolute terms the crowds are light,=20 queues are so long that it seems crowded. If the park could take the=20 operating costs during the winter and instead spend that money on=20 ensuring 2- or 3-train operation during the spring and summer, that=20 might not be a bad tradeoff. *The Census Bureau gives the populations of the metro areas in=20 question as: New York: 21.2M (includes northern NJ, Long Island, etc.) L.A.: 16.4M (includes Orange, Riverside, San Berdoo, etc.) Chicago: 9.2M=20 Philly: 6.2M Bakersfield: 661,000 http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.txt Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 27 15:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22717 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RLrCAI009962; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c69a34$1b17a870$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Cc: "Virgina" , "Tony" , "Toniann" , "Nettie" , "Misty" , "Michele Lama-Austin" , "Marly" , "Marie" , "Lynn" , "Louise" , "Leanne" , "Lauralea" , "Kris" , "Kelly" , "Katie" , "Julianne" , "Jessica" , "Jennifer" , "Jay & Michelle" , "Holly" , "Cristal" , "Casey" , "Brian" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Misc: Signature Confirmation - Save Magic Mountain! - 757 - SaveMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=sS9LjI22nIt30Z-_O4QfydOd8HN5C5EjFm3121xJ-s9GMg8tC8Lx X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Please help, and join the fight to save this park. Regardless of your thoughts on the rides, management, and the park itself, we are ALL theme park enthusiasts, and should join in the cause. I have posted the link on www.myspace.com/thunder7nyfl (which is my profile). I have copied friends as they ALL know how I feel about this park! > > Dear Friends, > > I have just read and signed the online petition: > > "Save Magic Mountain!" > > hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition > service, at: > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/SaveMM/ > > I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might > agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider > signing yourself. > > Best wishes, > > Joe, Tampa, FL From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 27 16:06:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28370 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 22:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 22:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 22:51:03 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RM214K022029 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003b01c69a35$5489d0a0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:02:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SAVE SFMM PETITION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=3vm6I1TtuRqTah6m8uNdoLKikCeD0_DzI6r71aXYB99Pdfx07-LZ X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Friends, > > I have just read and signed the online petition: > > "Save Magic Mountain!" > > hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition > service, at: > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/SaveMM/ > > I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might > agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider > signing yourself. > > Best wishes, > > Joe, Tampa, FL www.myspace.com/thunder7nyfl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 17:03:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90087 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 23:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 23:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 23:49:49 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RNnlq4018082 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <057d01c69a44$65da5960$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:49:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=coX4P6ZNfm6tmjWicecl-G8e3dfHdiR6OCjRjWLjs_bAneUPMCL6aVE4PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance *The Census Bureau gives the populations of the metro areas in question as: New York: 21.2M (includes northern NJ, Long Island, etc.) L.A.: 16.4M (includes Orange, Riverside, San Berdoo, etc.) Did you include the entire San Diego counties into the LA market mix as well? SFMM was a 2.5 to 3 hour drive when I lived there and we went often. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 17:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20212 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 23:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 23:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 23:47:04 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5RNl1Ug012797 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <054e01c69a44$031d3fe0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] so if SF does sell some of its parks to real estate developers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=J8tmfBRaPkvP18sedT58ag7wVYE1fDdC8Rwox66N1qkgLDwesPCHJFayLw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance The problem is most of SFMM's rides have been custom designed for the unique terrain. X is built on the hillside and would need some adjusement to move somewhere else. Tatsu is entirely designed around the mountain as well... so it may have to be scrapped. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] so if SF does sell some of its parks to real estate developers ..what will happen to the rides? i understand with older parks a lot of rides are just torn down and sold for scrap or hauled off as junk. but a park like SFMM i just cant imagine X or Tatsu being demolished. so would they move the rides to other parks, or sell them to other chains? obviously the developers would have no interest in them. so what happens to them? From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jun 27 17:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20966 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 00:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 00:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 00:13:21 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5S0DGQ1010658 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:13:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c69a47$a8533a20$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <057d01c69a44$65da5960$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaaRmRu8hglFx4kQjWYIsdmGVbxOAAAOo7g X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=5UniOhm48bewMxQpSTY_Q-mWX112s8flEGOf58xsxqEaiYc X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Did you include the entire San Diego counties into the LA > market mix as well? > SFMM was a 2.5 to 3 hour drive when I lived there and we went often. I don't know if the original poster included those counties or not, but if not then that makes SFMM's cause even WORSE, because it would make SFMM's potential customer base closer in size to SFGAdv's for purposes of this discussion. That would make SFMM's paltry attendance figures even worse. (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying SFMM SHOULD be closed, but I CAN see why that idea would be an option to the current management.) --Greg From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 18:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90563 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 01:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 01:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 01:11:02 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5S1B1Fe028711 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00cb01c69a4f$beda4fb0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000001c69a47$a8533a20$0600a8c0@raven> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=LGXcPupFL0s-Dvf0uID_494OidKK6Eszd4mlJms0La8JxqgpV9jHMZnRqw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Did you include the entire San Diego counties into the LA >> market mix as well? >> SFMM was a 2.5 to 3 hour drive when I lived there and we went often. > > I don't know if the original poster included those counties or not, but if > not then that makes SFMM's cause even WORSE, because it would make SFMM's > potential customer base closer in size to SFGAdv's for purposes of this > discussion. That would make SFMM's paltry attendance figures even worse. > > > (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying SFMM SHOULD be closed, but I > CAN > see why that idea would be an option to the current management.) In my opinion, no park should be in danger of being closed as long as it turns a profit, and a downturn in attendance over the last 5 years is certainly not a justifable reason to close any park. It's more of a reason to replace the management running the place and try something new. But as long as SFMM turns a profit on it's own, and we all know that it does, then there is no reason to close it, especially to make up for the short-commings of other parks and bad corporate management decissions, like the purchase of Jazzland and turning it into Six Flags New Orleans. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 27 18:39:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26504 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 01:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 01:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 01:34:08 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5S1Y6Mr009164 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:34:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ADPKyE-XrtD0ALvh5YZKDTNp6SinsqntKPW1tC3zFdc9WRRjd8mjH0CcWw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > SFMM's problems are far larger than a theoretical PR stunt like this > could ever correct. I'm not saying it's beyond helping, but I am > saying that's not what's going on here. The value of the land SFMM is > sitting on is sky high. The park is dooring poorly attendance-wise > and profit-wise. In other words, the park is going down the toilet > and could be sold for major profit. You could say the same thing for pretty much every SoCal theme park over the last few years. The land they all sit on is a gold mine just waiting to be sold, so is it the wise thing to do to just sell them off the minute any given park has a bad year or two? California Adventure has been nothing but trouble for Disneyland. Should they just sell it off for the land value? The problem is your thinking in the wrong terms for the amusement biz. Selling anything off for a quick major profit is not how things are done in the amusement biz. This is an industry based on extremely long term growth and slow but steady returns. No one builds a new theme park and hits high profits in the first year, or two or even three. Parks have to be able to run long term growth plans, mined with annual capital investments to stay popular and profitable. This is why parks are an unpopular stock option right now, because no one is willing to go for the long term growth, they all want the quick fix in the age of the Day Trader. > So what, exactly, points to this > just being a PR stunt? It's just a hunch on my part right now. Nothing I've heard from any inside source. It just my own personal hunch, mixed with what I've observed of the industry over the years, and the way certain things have been worded and what players are involved. 1) Synder... you can't put anything past this man. He's the one who just successfully pulled off the industry's biggest hostile takeover without just using his money to buy up the stock, he manipulated things and talked his way around to the point where everyone was just begging for him to come in and take over. In addition to being a manipulator, we know he will lie to do it. Remember the first go-round when he was trying to tell Six Flags what he thought they should do and they blew him off. Then he wrote and published to the SEC a big nasty letter saying bad mouthing the old management and how they wouldn't listen and how he was selling off all of his Six Flags stock and getting out. Then he goes under the radar for months only to pop up with even more stock than before and a renewed attack plan. Synder is one nasty business guy who will do anything to get what he wants. 2) Shapiro... ex ESPN and Disney exec. We know everyone from that camp is trained in spinning the truth with media doctor degrees. He's a shrewd one to watch for as well and had made no secret that he wants SF to become more like Disney. 3) The press release said they were only weighing their strategic options on those six parks. That could mean anything, so if this is a bluff, it's not like they outright lied. They also mentioned to the media a specific comment about SFMM and how they may just reinvest in the park instead but they were not sure if it was worth it right now. So right from the start, they have a very mixed message about the fate of SFMM. 4) It's interesting too because Six Flags did not mix words at all in any previous announcement over the last year where they were selling off or closing a park. We've seen anouncements about the closing of Astroworld, the selling off of Frontier City, the sale of Wyandot Lake and the dumping of Waterworld Sacramento. They were all straight forward and commited decissions at that point and not a comment about looking at the "strategic options". This particular announcement about the six parks has been very carefully worded in a very different fashion from any other similar announcement we've seen from Six Flags to date. >> SFGAdv was pretty much a nightmare when I visited in 1999. They had just >> added Medusa and a ton of new flat rides and then failed to staff the >> park. >> Half of the restaurants were closed, about a dozen of the flat rides were >> closed, plus a few other rides throughout the park > > That sounds like the kind of thing that happens at seasonal parks in > the spring when school is still in session. No, this was around the second week of August, still peak summer season. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 20:58:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3137 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 03:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 03:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 03:37:54 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so2333098uge for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr275337ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:37:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=64rwwL3IChufI8tKa4KfGDecOitnu4gh3Qrqe5EyRAGTD8mX1Hpp-j4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I should point out that SFMM's market is 2nd in the nation behind > > SFGAdv, which can draw not only from New York, which is bigger than > > L.A. to begin with*, but Philadelphia, too. I realize that, and I suppose I should have clarified (or at least elaborated on) my point. Realize that SFGAdv is located in the middle of nowhere, New Jersey. It's 75 miles from Manhattan and 60 miles from Philadelphia. On the other hand, Magic Mountain is still located in a fairly urban area just 38 miles from Los Angeles. Look, both population bases are so enormous they could support several major parks. But SFMM does have the distinct advantage over SFGAdv in that GAdv is twice as far from the center of the population base. SFMM should be doing far better than SFGAdv...and it's not. > In my opinion, no park should be in danger of being closed as long as it > turns a profit, and a downturn in attendance over the last 5 years is > certainly not a justifable reason to close any park. Well, that depends on what kind of businessman you are. If you're not interested in really staying in the business of amusement parks, then there's no reason to keep the park open if it's not doing very well. Just because a park is doing slightly better than breaking even doesn't mean it's worth the effort. Parks aren't charity. But I'd also like to point out that you're working under the assumption that SFMM is turning a profit. I have no first-hand evidence one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it isn't. > You could say the same thing for pretty much every SoCal theme park > over the last few years. The land they all sit on is a gold mine just > waiting to be sold, so is it the wise thing to do to just sell them off the minute > any given park has a bad year or two? If a park isn't turning a profit, then there's no reason to keep it. At this point in the game, with Six Flags in some deep financial trouble, they're not willing to dump the investment into SFMM that would be necessary to turn it around. I can't fault them for that. > California Adventure has been nothing but trouble for Disneyland. DCA's attendance is certainly low, but it's not nearly as bad as SFMM's. > The problem is your thinking in the wrong terms for the amusement biz. > Selling anything off for a quick major profit is not how things are done > in the amusement biz. I realize that. And if you're running one park, that makes sense. But when you endanger your entire business just for the sake of keeping one struggling park, you're not making the smartest decisions. > 3) The press release said they were only weighing their strategic options on > those six parks. > That could mean anything, so if this is a bluff, it's not like they outright > lied. True. But I also think these "strategic options" were their way of putting forth a plan to turn the chain around. They flat out admitted that things aren't turning around as quickly as they imagined, and investors are expecting (a) a reason for that and (b) a plan for what they're going to do to achieve that turnaround. That's where the mention of "strategic options" (for turning the chain around) comes in. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 01:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74796 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 08:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 08:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 08:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 08:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 08:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 08:06:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:06:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.149.91 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=l1lEDcQAafAEQDe8PtNaypDkTt_7dQtU7PBs5pzHgfJ2AFZvpAJy X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > You could say the same thing for pretty much every SoCal theme park > over the last few years. The land they all sit on is a gold mine=20 > just waiting to be sold, so is it the wise thing to do to just sell=20 Good point--- why doesn't everybody with a weakly-performing business do the same? Doing anything on that scale in California requires a more serious environmental review process than in the rest of the country. Note that the one park that Six Flags did close recently was in Houston, the only major city in America with no zoning laws. Much as property owners might like to, you can't just do whatever you feel with your property. You might get to do it eventually, but the turnover isn't instant, and it certainly wouldn't be as fast as it is in Houston. Nate Kohlrusch: >Realize that SFGAdv is located in the middle of nowhere, New Jersey. >It's 75 miles from Manhattan and 60 miles from Philadelphia. On the=20 > other hand, Magic Mountain is still located in a fairly urban area=20 > just 38 miles from Los Angeles. Trust me, SFGAdv does not consider its market to just be the area immediately surrounding Jackson. Going to a Six Flags park is generally a big event, and people are willing to drive a little to get there. The whole Six Flags plan when they were conquering America was to be within some number of hours' drive of as many Americans as possible, not smack in the middle of cities. The 27 million people in Philadelphia and NYC are definitely major parts of SFGAdv's business plan. That said, SFMM is essentially on the very northern fringe of development in Los Angeles. Considering traffic, the San Fernando Valley is pretty much the only major population area that's within an hour's drive of the park on any day but a weekend morning. A trip to SFMM means a drive of at least 1-2 hours for most Southern Californians. Other people: > > Did you include the entire San Diego counties into the LA > > market mix as well? > > SFMM was a 2.5 to 3 hour drive when I lived there and we went=20 > > often. > I don't know if the original poster included those counties or not, > but if not then that makes SFMM's cause even WORSE, because it would > make SFMM's potential customer base closer in size to SFGAdv's for=20 > purposes of this discussion. That would make SFMM's paltry=20 > attendance figures even worse. Let's not overstate things here... SFMM is 150 miles from San Diego. To put things in perspective, a 150-mile radius from SFGAdv takes in everything from about Baltimore to Scranton to New Haven. I'm sure these parks get some of their attendance from places that far out, but it's not their primary market. I was going off of the Census Bureau's definitions of metropolitan areas. The 60-75 mile distance from population centers that SFGAdv is would, for SFMM, represent places like Anaheim (62 miles), Irvine (77 miles), Ontario (71 miles), and Bakersfield (75 miles), all of which are comfortably within SFMM's market area, a couple of hours' drive away. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 28 08:17:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95006 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 15:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 15:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 15:17:46 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so2057324ugc for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr829554ugg; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:17:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=iwurwalcEHoQvq6p2DiRnnRiaC2v2LdGJ7wHc5WA9GFAQqaThFGp5HY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > You could say the same thing for pretty much every SoCal theme park > > over the last few years. The land they all sit on is a gold mine > > just waiting to be sold, so is it the wise thing to do to just sell > Good point--- why doesn't everybody with a weakly-performing business > do the same? Because other people with weakly-performing businesses may not have anything to fall back on. For instance, if you only own a small number of parks, selling one of them rids you of a lot of assetts and a lot of opportunity for income. Six Flags has 17 other parks from which they can continue bringing in cash. Additionally, other amusement park operators aren't billions of dollars in debt. Thus, selling off assets for quick gain isn't nearly as important or beneficial. > Doing anything on that scale in California requires a > more serious environmental review process than in the rest of the > country. As I said before, as long as Six Flags can find a developer who is willing to buy the park, who cares? Six Flags doesn't care whether they can get the zoning laws changed easily or not. > Trust me, SFGAdv does not consider its market to just be the area > immediately surrounding Jackson. I didn't say they did. SFGAdv's target audience is obviously those living in the NYC and Philadelphia area. My point, though, was that SFGAdv would have a more difficult time drawing from those cities than a park like SFMM, which is situated closer to those major population centers. > That said, SFMM is essentially on the very northern fringe of > development in Los Angeles. Considering traffic, the San Fernando > Valley is pretty much the only major population area that's within an > hour's drive of the park on any day but a weekend morning. A trip to > SFMM means a drive of at least 1-2 hours for most Southern Californians. You think SFGAdv isn't as far away (if not moreso)? Have you ever driven in NYC? Again, you're missing the point here. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 10:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92567 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 16:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 16:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 16:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 16:55:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:55:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=L7W9og4hRBKLelXMY0DSwQ48QK7ydU_UMsx6UIOeqZROW4bm2bJf X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > You think SFGAdv isn't as far away (if not moreso)?=20 Yes, I know it is. My overall point is that I agree with you that=20 SFMM is underperforming and that redeveloping the land could be a=20 good decision from a business point of view. What I'm saying is that=20 you and other people predicting SFMM's imminent selloff are=20 overstating your cases, claiming that SFMM's location within its=20 market is so significantly better than SFGAdv is within its market=20 that it should negate SFGAdv's advantage in market size, or that the=20 park is "falling apart," that it is "never crowded," that it is=20 losing money in an actual sense rather than a relative sense (when=20 in fact we don't know the specifics of the park's daily operating=20 costs and seasonal fluctuations in attendance), that gang violence=20 is an everyday occurrence, that governmental zoning and=20 environmental regulations are irrelevant, etc. The point has been made, and I think we'd do better coming up with=20 constructive solutions or more good information that would help us=20 predict what SFMM's fate will be rather than just beating the place=20 down. We all know the park could be run better by smarter management. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 28 11:34:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37971 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 18:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 18:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 18:20:05 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so451791uge for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr1009939ugm; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:18:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=2lXdxGCWi21WhRX0xRtJVg2sHyZeRW0kF4OI6xcaycDNVvGczA-L2H8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > We all know the park could be run better by smarter management. If there's one thing I don't agree with it's that. I think the current management knows exactly what they're doing, and are (for the most part) doing everything right. Here's the problem - When Premier Parks took over Magic Mountain, they found themselves with a highly-attended park in a huge metropolitan area. So they invested and invested and invested in it. But all of those investments were in the form of huge new coasters and none came in the form of family attractions. These new coasters brought people in for one season but unfortunately didn't keep them coming back. On top of that, they brought in teens and not the families they needed. In addition, the expensive new coasters Premier dumped into the park shot the park's maintenance budget sky high. To make matters worse, Premier management decided cut back on costs by skimping on employees, landscaping, upkeep, maintenance, etc in order to keep up with skyrocketing maintenance costs. This drove even more people away when they came to visit a dirty, poorly-operated park. It was a bad park after Premier spent millions upon millions dumping huge coasters in that did little for attendance. It became an even worse park when they cut back on necessary things like landscaping and maintenance to try to compensate. At this point it's going to be very difficult to turn that park around not only because of the condition it's in, but because of the perception people have of the place. Negative impressions are easy to make and hard to erase. I just don't think the current Six Flags has the resources, the patience, or the capital it's going to take to turn the park. It's sad, yes, but it's also business. You can't blame current management for the situation the park is in. -Nate From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 12:00:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65207 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 19:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 19:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 19:00:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 18:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 18:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 18:57:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:57:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.226.172.27 From: "WILEY" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=-2PkrMCubUrP_anpc4wv6ZxpIzfQTI8Zx-86ZMGa5lLI--xhyCk-Hz_uLIT7gnTU X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > We all know the park could be run better by smarter management. >=20 > If there's one thing I don't agree with it's that. I think the > current management knows exactly what they're doing, and are (for=20 the > most part) doing everything right. Here's the problem - >=20 > When Premier Parks took over Magic Mountain, they found themselves > with a highly-attended park in a huge metropolitan area. So they > invested and invested and invested in it. But all of those > investments were in the form of huge new coasters and none came in=20 the > form of family attractions. These new coasters brought people in=20 for > one season but unfortunately didn't keep them coming back. On top=20 of > that, they brought in teens and not the families they needed. >=20 > In addition, the expensive new coasters Premier dumped into the=20 park > shot the park's maintenance budget sky high. To make matters=20 worse, > Premier management decided cut back on costs by skimping on=20 employees, > landscaping, upkeep, maintenance, etc in order to keep up with > skyrocketing maintenance costs. This drove even more people away=20 when > they came to visit a dirty, poorly-operated park. >=20 > It was a bad park after Premier spent millions upon millions=20 dumping > huge coasters in that did little for attendance. It became an even > worse park when they cut back on necessary things like landscaping=20 and > maintenance to try to compensate. >=20 > At this point it's going to be very difficult to turn that park=20 around > not only because of the condition it's in, but because of the > perception people have of the place. Negative impressions are=20 easy to > make and hard to erase. I just don't think the current Six Flags=20 has > the resources, the patience, or the capital it's going to take to=20 turn > the park. It's sad, yes, but it's also business. You can't blame > current management for the situation the park is in. >=20 > -Nate > I couldn't agree more with you Nate. I live about an hour away from Geauga Lake, and when Six Flags took over they spent millions to=20 bring in new coasters and buying Sea World. The problem with this=20 was that they tore the soul out of what was once a great family=20 oriented small town park and turned it into a wasteland that people=20 wouldn't want to bring their families to. They removed some of the=20 smaller flat rides and got rid of some of the concession stands in=20 favor of fast food chain stands. To me one of the greatest things=20 that could have happened for Geauga Lake was for cedar Fair to buy=20 the park. C.F. is working very hard to turn the park around. This=20 is no easy task and could take several years for them to see a=20 marked improvement in attendance. With the way S.F. has been=20 selling off parks and with the problems at SFNO I can see why they=20 are in now way prepared to invest the time and money into trying to=20 turn SFMM around. It would be great if they could find an investor=20 with deep pockets and time to wait for a return on their investment=20 that would be willing to try to make SFMM what it once was, a truely=20 great park. Wiley From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jun 28 12:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17755 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 19:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 19:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 19:51:08 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5SJ9T84024233 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006e01c69ae6$6968f6c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=2-iHYDCqNxZSqYe2MUym4t9bQlFTEBG7tYoJk-ihB0hsGi3QNPbCJd6Rnw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > If there's one thing I don't agree with it's that. I think the > current management knows exactly what they're doing, and are (for the > most part) doing everything right. Here's the problem - I disagree... but there is also the fact that we don't know how many major decissions were made by the corporate office and how many were made locally, so it's hard to point any kind of finger in the right direction. > When Premier Parks took over Magic Mountain, they found themselves > with a highly-attended park in a huge metropolitan area. So they > invested and invested and invested in it. But all of those > investments were in the form of huge new coasters and none came in the > form of family attractions. These new coasters brought people in for > one season but unfortunately didn't keep them coming back. On top of > that, they brought in teens and not the families they needed. True, though even the new coasters failed to bring in higher attendance at all. For example, I think attendance for the year went down in 2003 when they opened Scream. I'm not 100% positive on that figure though, just going from old memory. > In addition, the expensive new coasters Premier dumped into the park > shot the park's maintenance budget sky high. To make matters worse, > Premier management decided cut back on costs by skimping on employees, > landscaping, upkeep, maintenance, etc in order to keep up with > skyrocketing maintenance costs. It also doesn't help (confirmed by insiders) that SFMM's maintenance budget is said to be the exact same size as SFGAdv after Premier took over Six Flags. You just can't run a year-round park on a seasonal park's maintenance budget. The maintenance workers are also underpaid by 30% compared to their counterparts at other SoCal theme parks according to the news articles that came up when they almost went on strike this past January. So when you wonder why things are broken, or running only one train much of the year, you can point the finger at the corporate office for both of these issues. > At this point it's going to be very difficult to turn that park around > not only because of the condition it's in, but because of the > perception people have of the place. Negative impressions are easy to > make and hard to erase. I just don't think the current Six Flags has > the resources, the patience, or the capital it's going to take to turn > the park. Which was my point about bluffing that they would close the park. A threat that the park may close forever would get by many people's negative impression of the park, because they would feel they would need to visit it at least one more time. This would give the park a chance to make a better second impression... assuming things are better right now in it's current state under Shapiro than they were last year. Otherwise, park improvements are easy if they are willing to spend the money. They need to increase the maintenace budget to either reflect year-round operations or just make the park seasonal. Landscaping is an easy fix... but I didn't think this was a major problem last time I visited. Family Attractions - This is where they need to spend the money. New Water rides... something simple like a new Splash Battle would go a long way for only $1-2 million. New Flats - There are so many new flats available that are great for family guests. For what they paid for Tatsu, they could probably add 6-8 new large family flat rides in one year. Dark ride - Bite the bullet and buy a sally made Scooby Doo dark ride. Even better... make it a water ride like the one in St Louis and hit two birds with one stone. I could sit with a map of the park and scribble low cost improvments all over the place all day long that would help transform the park into a more family friendly destination. And yes... I can't beleive I would ever say this, but perhaps the time has come to remove a few of the park's coasters. Flashback has worn out it's welcome long ago, and Psyclone seems to be unfixable. And perhaps it's time to make Hurricane Harbor free like it is at most of the other SF parks, perhaps with a longer season too since it's hot enough up there for it to run longer than it does. That might get more families to visit too, just by the percieved value of adding a free waterpark experience. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 28 13:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64781 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 20:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 20:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 20:23:54 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so318354ugc for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1120015ugg; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:23:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c69ae6$6968f6c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c69ae6$6968f6c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UgqaYpn90PpETK7UiJ5daen1953q4QehwXoGuIDSg-3P4A4bdFXj5PA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I disagree... but there is also the fact that we don't know how many major > decissions > were made by the corporate office and how many were made locally, so it's > hard to > point any kind of finger in the right direction. Which decisions are you talking about? I can tell you exactly which ones were made locally and which were made by corporate. > True, though even the new coasters failed to bring in higher attendance at > all. Exactly. The old management kept dumping in major new coasters even though they were doing little to nothing for attendance. The condition of the park is not the fault of the current management. > It also doesn't help (confirmed by insiders) that SFMM's maintenance budget > is said to be the exact same size as SFGAdv after Premier took over Six Flags. Right, and I mentioned cutbacks to the maintenance budget at SFMM. These cutbacks were cost-saving measures that were taken because they got in way over their heads with all of the huge, new coasters they added. The result was poor operations that kept driving people away. > So when you wonder why things are broken, or running only one train much of > the year, > you can point the finger at the corporate office for both of these issues. Yes, but you can't point the finger at the CURRENT corporate office. The people responsible for ruining SFMM are long gone. > Which was my point about bluffing that they would close the park. > A threat that the park may close forever would get by many people's negative > impression of the park, because they would feel they would need to visit it > at least one more time. I still think that's a bizarre conspiracy theory that has no factual basis. Check out what people are saying on other sites, and you'll see that most people agree. > This would give the park a chance to make a better > second > impression... assuming things are better right now in it's current state > under Shapiro > than they were last year. Things might be operating better than under the former management, but there is still an overwhelming emphasis on thrills with little for families to do. That's not the kind of park Snyder wants, that's not the publicity he wants, and that's not the way he wants people to view his parks. Families might come under a threat of closing the park, but when they find that there's nothing for them to do there anyway, I don't think they'll mind much. > Otherwise, park improvements are easy if they are willing to spend the > money. And that's just the thing - they're NOT willing to spend the money. They're currently faced with (a) selling the park and making an enormous profit on it or (b) taking a huge gamble by continuing to invest in a park that might not earn that money back. The entire last conference call focused on Shapiro and company admitting that the tarnished reputation of Six Flags is going to be far harder to overcome than they thought. It's not as simple as getting people to come once to see how things have changed. It's not as simple as making promises to people. Attendance is NOT climbing like they expected it to. So when faced with this situation, why would they take the huge risk of continuing to invest in Magic Mountain? > They need to increase the maintenace budget to either reflect year-round > operations or just make the park seasonal. I guarantee that's already been done. > Dark ride - Bite the bullet and buy a sally made Scooby Doo dark ride. No offense, but that's a terrible idea. For one thing, there's no way any dark ride will ever compete with the ones people are used to seeing at Disney. Additionally, an inherently low capacity ride would be a nightmare at SFMM where high capacity family attractions is what they need. I think there are better options than a Sally dark ride; these are best left to the smaller parks. There might be a lot of "low cost" moves the park could make, but the problem is that it's going to take a LOT of "low cost" moves. And suddenly improving the park isn't so low cost anymore. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 15:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48450 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 21:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 21:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 21:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 21:48:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 21:48:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:48:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006e01c69ae6$6968f6c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=sYsgx2dQwMUrMGXGHnCaa7Wgikm8WX_1HPWGzKMNhjsG0674M6or X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > True, though even the new coasters failed to bring in higher=20 > attendance at all.=20 That study by UCLA on attendance supported this. I think what's more=20 important than any one particular ride is the more long-term=20 knowledge customers have that SFMM is the place to go for modern,=20 thrilling roller coasters. The problem was that their business plan=20 called for adding a new coaster every 1-2 years instead of, say,=20 every 4 years or so. Do Deja Vu or Scream really add anything of value to the park? Sell=20 them off now and reinvest the money in something that adds more=20 variety to the park experience. I know I'm in a very small minority=20 as a person who actually likes Psyclone; scrap it, use the land (and=20 the land for Deja Vu) on something else, and use the monthly $4.50=20 on Psyclone's maintenance on Colossus, instead. > The maintenance workers are also underpaid by 30% compared to=20 > their counterparts at other SoCal theme parks according to the=20 > news articles that came up when they almost went on strike this=20 > past January. Good point, if anything, the rides at SFMM should be getting MORE=20 maintenance than the simpler, less advanced rides at other parks. > > At this point it's going to be very difficult to turn that park=20 > > around not only because of the condition it's in, but because of=20 > > the perception people have of the place. Negative impressions=20 > > are easy to make and hard to erase. Very true. Any new management team is going to have to work hard at=20 coming up with a new strategy --- something that can change first=20 impressions as well as incorporating a 3-4-year plan to=20 significantly change the nature of the park and make it more=20 profitable. > > They need to increase the maintenace budget to either reflect=20 > > year-round operations or just make the park seasonal. >=20 > I guarantee that's already been done. Really? I'll believe it when multi-train operations become the norm,=20 rather than the exception. > > Dark ride - Bite the bullet and buy a sally made Scooby Doo dark=20 > > ride. > No offense, but that's a terrible idea. For one thing, there's no=20 > way any dark ride will ever compete with the ones people are used=20 > to seeing at Disney. Additionally, an inherently low capacity ride=20 > would be a nightmare at SFMM where high capacity family=20 > attractions is what they need. I think there are better options=20 > than a Sally dark ride; these are best left to the smaller parks. I'm in full agreement with you here, Nate. I like dark rides, but=20 they can't compete with Disney on this one by putting out an=20 inferior product. They could try something Disney won't do--- maybe=20 a truly scary haunted house ride, but that would probably just=20 appeal to teenagers anyway. I think they should think of a heavily- themed attraction that really uses their licensed properties well,=20 either the DC superheroes or the Looney Tunes. But if the result=20 would be a cheap Disney imitation, then don't do it at all. If I were scheduling a makeover for the park, I would prioritize=20 cheaper, simpler family attractions like flat rides or water rides=20 and hold off doing a good dark ride until I knew things were going=20 in the right direction first. > Landscaping is an easy fix... but I didn't think this was a major=20 > problem last time I visited. Landscaping itself (in the sense of plants and such) is not a real=20 big problem at SFMM, but general upkeep of buildings, fixtures,=20 service areas, etc. is. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jun 28 16:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94951 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (5-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.5]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5SNalPK006936 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:36:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=NRCjs2UqPCLcyDp--lH3ylrghTgJFYoCjIFQdPiwZNFzPpjDMA-f X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701374/000091412106002172/xslF345X02/p731341-4snyder_ex.xml Lance reported, on Screamscape, that he read Mr. Daniel Snyder bought more shares of Six Flags, Inc. after Mark Shapiro made the announcement. Here's the proof that he did buy more shares of the company. Copy and paste the link, if it doesn't work in this email. I've got some thoughts on SFI, and am following it very closely. We've all been treating the "strategic options" statement as meaning Mark Shapiro is going to sell the parks listed in the statement released last Thursday night, but infact the parks were just listed as possibilities. They are not on the for sale list right now, but they may go up "officially" any day if the company decides they don't want to pump money into the parks. A company that could enter the picture is one that used to own the chain, Blackstone Group. I think Blackstone would be a perfect candidate as they are traced in the history of Six Flags to knowing what to do to turn a theme park operator and tarnished brand around. This is an excerpt from the Los Angeles Times article that ran last Friday..... Magic Mountain attracts 2.5 million to 3 million guests a year and is considered a profitable property, said John Cora, a theme park consultant and CEO of Palace Entertainment, which owns Raging Waters in San Dimas and the Boomer's chain of family entertainment centers. "With a little TLC and investment, it would be a great park and a great revenue producer," Cora said. This is an excerpt from themeparkinsider.com's 5/23/06 article..... A more family-friendly Magic Mountain, if delivered as new Six Flags CEO Mark Shapiro has promised, could squeeze Universal Studios Hollywood from the northern side of the market, as well. As for Six Flags, if Shapiro thought he had time to steer his chain's focus from thrill-seeking teens to families, that time is up. Cedar Fair now owns the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic regions of the country. Its Nickelodeon characters resonate far more with today's kids than Six Flags' Warner Bros. toons. Now, if I am reading this correctly, Theme Park Insider is stating that the time has come and passed, for Mark Shapiro to turn around the parks in the Midwest and MidAtlantic regions which would go along the lines of him stating it was going to be a more daunting task than they first thought when Snyder & Company took over the chain in a hostile takeover. Someone posted this comment in relation to Six Flags, Inc. Six Flags is a company in transition. Good transition? perhaps. We keep hearing about this list of good things that will happen to your nearest Six Flags park. Most of those folks have just gotten higher parking and ticket prices so far. To the new management, trip reports haven't gotten much better on any website, let alone this one. Cedar Fair already moved Six Flags out of Ohio, now they have joined the ball game in Dan Snyder's backyard. The clock is ticking on Six Flags to make some things happen. I truly am rooting for them. I want there to come a day when I will be excited to visit a Six Flags park when I'm out on the road. Right now, that just isn't the case. I will however, be cashing in on that season pass Cedar Fair will hopefully be selling next year. This goes back to my post over the weekend.... "to make money, you have to spend money, and not sell assets." Something I thought of is that when WWF (now WWE) was under pressure from WCW, Vince McMahon decided that WCW was doing something different to surpass their product, now we have to find our own niche, and that's how the "Attitude" era of the late 90's into the early 2000's was born. He took what WCW did to the next level. If you want families to come back to the parks, you need to take what Disney and Cedar Fair have done, and are doing to the next level, and be different enough to make families want to visit your parks. The business plan is simple... spend the money sprucing up the parks, bring in more family oriented rides, bring in more updated characters that the children of today and tomorrow can relate too. How about characters from the Final Fantasy series??? Like it's been said, the brand is tarnished, and that's because no one has realized yet that you need to bring the product into the new Millenium. Sorry for another long rant! Joe, Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 17:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96607 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 00:17:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:17:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ngGb8i5NPO4jLjedo4XInM1daWLzozpJYUy8tr5qsRdJHHq6qOwg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > bring in more updated characters that the children of today and=20 > tomorrow can relate too. How about characters from the Final=20 > Fantasy series???=20 Hmm. Using video games as theming is an interesting idea, but I can=20 see two potential problems with it. First, some video games are played=20 by the same late-teen market that SF is trying to move away from.=20 Second, and this is less true now than it used to be, but video game=20 characters come in and out of fashion quickly. Five years ago, a=20 Pokemon-themed area might have made sense for kids, but today it would=20 seem very outdated. The DC heroes and Looney Tunes have fluctuated in=20 popularity over time, but they've stayed moneymakers for over 60=20 years. I'm not really in tune with videogamers, though, and I know=20 that over time they've become more established as cultural icons.=20 Which ones have had the most *sustained* marketability? Is Mario still=20 popular, or has he been left in the dust? Hmmm... nobody's licensed the Simpsons for a theme park. That could=20 work. Even though the show may have jumped the shark, they've made=20 such an impact in the culture that I have to think they'll still be=20 recognizable for a long time to come. Theming a spinning coaster,=20 bumper cars, or motion simulator to the Simpsons could be a no- brainer, all inside a Springfield-themed land. Theme a violent flat=20 ride to Itchy and Scratchy. And here's one specifically for SFMM:=20 reopen the Metro and theme it as Springfield's ill-fated Monorail! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 28 19:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42293 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 02:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 02:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 02:24:21 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so104084uge for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr1387716ugj; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:24:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Bg3ZMxSr-o3t3Xeq-IhZvpbTBnkxRd4sQUUzN4gXzZd0hMSf_Gzxlik X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > As for Six Flags, if Shapiro thought he had time to steer his chain's focus from > thrill-seeking teens to families, that time is up. Cedar Fair now owns the Midwest > and Mid-Atlantic regions of the country. Its Nickelodeon characters resonate far > more with today's kids than Six Flags' Warner Bros. toons. I'm not sure where you've gotten this from, but whoever it is apparently seems to think the "midwest" consists solely of Ohio, Kansas City, and Minneapolis/St Paul. Those are the only major midwestern markets under the control of Cedar Fair. Six Flags is still controlling Chicago, which is by far the largest market in the midwest. Six Flags also has St. Louis, Milwaukee, and (for the most part) Louisville. Furthermore, at this point, Cedar Fair does *not* have the rights to Nickelodeon characters. Even if they do gain the rights to them at some point in the process of acquiring the Paramount parks, there's no promise that they'll be introducing these characters to the old Cedar Fair parks (CP, VF, WOF, etc). As for Cedar Fair controlling the Mid-Atlantic...what??? Has this poster ever been to the Mid-Atlantic? Has he/she ever heard of Busch Gardens Williamsburg, Six Flags America, Six Flags Great Adventure, Six Flags New England, Hersheypark, etc? > Most of those folks have just gotten higher parking and ticket prices so far. To > the new management, trip reports haven't gotten much better on any website, let > alone this one. Those opinions certainly don't reflect the trip reports I've read online. Most people have noticed enormous improvements at the vast majority of Six Flags parks (save Magic Mountain). > The business plan is simple... spend the money sprucing up the parks, bring in > more family oriented rides, bring in more updated characters that the children of > today and tomorrow can relate too. That's exactly what they're doing. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jun 28 22:17:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 866 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5T5ADwg003671 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03ba01c69b3a$54e85ac0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=6dDhQxffnBUaMS-Q97C-mDAV-5QLCPJdNsJdxcf07QBwiNojoslcNaTQAA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Furthermore, at this point, Cedar Fair does *not* have the rights to > Nickelodeon characters. Even if they do gain the rights to them at > some point in the process of acquiring the Paramount parks, there's no > promise that they'll be introducing these characters to the old Cedar > Fair parks (CP, VF, WOF, etc). Technically, the Paramount Parks don't have the rights to the NICK characters either. They have purhcased the rights for a limited time from Nickelodeon (or whoever owns them) along with the rights to every character or theme in a paramount park, all of which have expiration dates on them where they can either renew or change the name/theme. For example, when the rights to use the Outer Limits name expired, they opted to save the money and not renew the contract and just changed the name of the ride to "Flight of Fear". So while there is currently no deal to use the characters in CF parks, I believe CF would also have to get an ammendment to their exclusive deal for the Peanuts characters to use them at the former Paramount Parks as well. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jun 28 22:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31713 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 05:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 05:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 05:39:12 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5T53Vuj005022 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <038001c69b39$65664480$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5oxa6rQ0v97YNxKADKCyepTWcvU06QAQLit7Qw4xJzUTZ_QnyZAGyF7sjA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Hmm. Using video games as theming is an interesting idea, but I can see two potential problems with it. First, some video games are played by the same late-teen market that SF is trying to move away from. Second, and this is less true now than it used to be, but video game characters come in and out of fashion quickly. Five years ago, a Pokemon-themed area might have made sense for kids, but today it would seem very outdated. << True on all points. They need to jump on something new other than looney tunes. The DC Comics characters are coming back in popularity with the Justice League toon and new Batman & Superman films. But there are other things to explore... The biggest of all... Harry Potter. WB makes the films and I think Six Flags has first dibs if they want to pay to use WB film licenses... so why not take Potter to the next level? There is the theme for that Dark Ride concept if nothing else. Lord of the Rings... new New Line, a sub-company of WB. May tap too much into the teen market though. Problem is... like the theme park market, films have strayed away from pure family friendly offerings for the most part. So what can you use when WB has no more good toons and your done tapping into the DC Comics? >>Hmmm... nobody's licensed the Simpsons for a theme park. That's because FOX wont let them. Universal offered big money to FOX to use the Simpsons as a theme for an entire island at Islands of Adventure and had plans for the Otto-mobile, a bus ride simulator through Springfield as one major attraction, but FOX wouldn't give up the rights. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Jun 28 23:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41815 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 06:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 06:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 06:08:42 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so159513ugf for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.167.12 with SMTP id p12mr834584hue; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0606282306l73aec462u452c87cb932345d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:06:30 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=aogpz2FoAFrIbA7BEAQcNLYhapeMIbTBbyBqCStovgtJSpA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Now, if I am reading this correctly, Theme Park Insider is stating that the time has come and passed, for Mark Shapiro to turn around the parks in the Midwest and MidAtlantic regions which would go along the lines of him stating it was going to be a more daunting task than they first thought when Snyder & Company took over the chain in a hostile takeover." I wouldn't worry too much about following Theme Park Insider. Like so many internet sites, they make a lot of people that post thier thoughts seem like they might know what they are talking about, yet it remains a dumber-than-usual assortment of people and thier supposed industry insights. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 04:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47717 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 11:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 11:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42203.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.204) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 11:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5949 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2006 11:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060629110801.5947.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:08:01 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:08:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <03ba01c69b3a$54e85ac0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=SyzoG2lJJjVishckiy80sCERy88IuiPHMe1Pu1jgOc2kHY_x X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Lance Hart wrote: I > believe CF would also have to get > an ammendment to their exclusive deal for the > Peanuts characters to use them > at the former Paramount Parks as well. And the only thing more worthless than Looney Toon characters is Peanuts characters. No disrespect to Mr. Schwartz, but really, Peanuts are only on TV like twice a year: Christmas and Halloween. Whereas, at least there is an updated Bugs/Daffy/Wile E. Coyote that comes on Saturday Mornings. Unfortunately, for kids these days, the only icons seem to come from Nick and Disney. Saturday mornings are barren with kid-shows compared to when we were growing up. As for video games, I'm not to sure about those. Specifically, Final Fantasy is a spectacularly bad idea because I dont think those characters have any type of mass appeal. Hell, I've been playing video games for over twenty years and if it hadn't been for the Disney characters in Kingdom Hearts, I'd have never even known *ONE* FF character. Add on the top of that that the characters generally one appear in one game and then they're out, and I think you begin to see that they dont have much of a following (besides this strange obsession among fanboys/girls with Sephiroth...) Yes, Mario has been around for a while (so has Pac-Man) and Mario is still tooling around and appearing in games. Not sure that I'd want him and a bunch of Koopas in *my* park though. I'd be willing to wager that Tommy Vercetti or Carl Johnson (CJ) would be just as recognizable to the younger folks (but I wouldnt want them in my park either!) What I am *absolutely* stunned about is that with the restaurants in some of the parks (e.g. GAdv) there has never been a "McDonalds Playland" in any of the parks. Maybe Mickey D's wants to play both sides of the aisle (they are in Disney parks too...even though Disney's in-house food is better and better for you) but I'd think Ronald McDonald is perhaps *the* most recognized icon to kids...yes, even more than Dora (dora, dora): The Explorer! lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 07:17:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12864 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 14:07:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 14:07:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 14:07:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:07:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Photo TR: Fuji-Q construction update, final episode. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qUj4Dq7OoqyqopllskaTJbhN7yzBIUVuo5CXOMTsFgWfthggDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hey all,=20 I took a bunch of pictures of the finished product: Eejanaika at Fuji-Q Highlands. (I'm just calling it EJ for short. The pictures are found here: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D21000&postdays=3D0&p= ostorder=3Dasc&start=3D530 Lance, will you do the honors, and share this with the rest of the world?=20 Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43430 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 18:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 18:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 18:00:21 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fw0f9-0001L5-SN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:50:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44A412F8.7070105@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:50:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e6455466beb875c2e21b482c947a6e7a15ccb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ijqkwDex_wh7YLlRidisMmA5BGxQnniYJmDtENjw7rUAP5c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: Ahh, the joys of working full time again. Trying to get caught up is getting tough... > > Lance points out on Screamscape that this strategy worked for > > Disneyland with the Main Street Electrical Parade. > > As Greg pointed out, closing a parade is a far cry from closing an > entire park. On top of that, Disney *did* close the parade! Granted, > they moved it back to California Adventure, but it's hard to say > whether that was the original plan or whether they made the decision > to bring it back based on the public's reaction to the parade leaving > in the first place. However, there is another example in the same chain that happened not to long ago- SF Astroworld. It's attendance numbers the last month it was open shot through the roof as everyone nearby was trying to get in a last visit. Rides like Batman that would rarely have a 10 minute wait were sporting 90 minute plus lines. People turned out in droves, and Snyder and company complained that the park never should have been closed. I could easily see them taking that experience and trying to use it to push up SFMM's numbers, then say that as a way to show this management is different than in the past they decided to keep the park open instead of closing it like the last owners did to Astroworld. I'm not saying that's what's happening, but it seems easily in the realm of possibilities. > > I agree. I don't think anyone really thinks that's the reason for > considering a sale. But it is a factor - because of the "rowdy > teenager" crowd, attendance is down, in-park spending is down, and > families are staying away. That means decreased profits, high > operating costs, and an unsuccessful park. Any evidence for the "rowdy" crowd being why attendance is down (assuming it is, I've heard the opposite with Tatsu opening), as opposed to other factors? I highly doubt that there is any solid evidence out there as to what single factor is causing it, but having lived there for so long, SFMM's reputation out of the area far exceeds the reality. There are a number of factors and problems that have plagued the park. Lack of maintanance, customer service, and variety of things to do are paramount on the list, and that's what the locals have complained about for years. If SFMM would add in some other family and/or flat rides- something other than roller coasters, fix up what's there, and improve the efficiency of the rides and workers, you'd see attendance and happiness increase. But it's not going to be a quick fix. It's going to take time and effort, but it doesn't seem anyone wants to do that. It absolutely can be, and should be a viable park. Years of neglect has taken it's toll on the park, and that's resulted in a bad view among many of the locals, which is the vast majority of it's attendance pool (which, btw, is vastly different than Disney down the road) You have to overcome the word of mouth and the perception of the park that's been propagated over the years. I'm not sure that the city area though is going to go for a quick sale for development though. If I recall, the park is part of the city charter, and you have a lot of people running that city that want to see the park succeed. I've seen discussions in the past about selling the land to developers, and the community came out as adamently against that. I doubt that's changed much in a couple of years. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81669 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fw0iF-0005k7-8I for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <44A413B7.7040207@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:53:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000601c69a34$1b17a870$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> In-Reply-To: <000601c69a34$1b17a870$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e64556094a7ac6ff268d46a56f47263289b89350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Misc: Signature Confirmation - Save Magic Mountain! - 757 - SaveMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=N4ftGuj4FLJADRFfT2a3VM8nG7JEtj6zXg8m9V0fLRo2XY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > > Please help, and join the fight to save this park. Regardless of your > thoughts on the rides, management, and the park itself, we are ALL theme > park enthusiasts, and should join in the cause. I have posted the link on > www.myspace.com/thunder7nyfl (which is my profile). I have copied friends > as they ALL know how I feel about this park! Hopefully I won't offend with this, but online petitions are an absolute waste of time. There is no legitimacy to them, no way to verify anyone or anything on them, and no one with any influence pays any attention to them. They have no way of knowing if the people signing them are even real people or imaginary ones that a single person keeps posting with over and over, let alone if they have any sort of legitimate interest in what's happening. As such, they're not worth the paper they're printed on. Oh, and since they're not printed on paper... :) Not trying to be harsh, but trying to give a reality check. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:28:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75642 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fw10n-0004Zb-9z for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:13:09 -0400 Message-ID: <44A41835.4040308@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:13:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e6455ed3417fdbd1c2e8768330cb3015462ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=v5gxQCZOhEx9y1NWVmX13Qz-liAXMuQHtX5S4RmWylXszSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash adamnvillani wrote: > Note that the one park that Six Flags did close recently was > in Houston, the only major city in America with no zoning laws. Much > as property owners might like to, you can't just do whatever you feel > with your property. You might get to do it eventually, but the > turnover isn't instant, and it certainly wouldn't be as fast as it is > in Houston. And they didn't get anywhere near what they expected to get out of SFAW. They didn't sell many of the rides they were counting on selling, and for nowhere near the prices they wanted. And the land was sold for around half of what they expected to get out of it. I've a feeling that when they then take out the costs of demolition, removing rides, moving them, and everything else involved, they probably didn't end up with much left over from the entire thing. And they've also lost another market where they had a profitable park, inspite of treating it like crap, that if they'd put some investment into it could have been an even better performer. And to repeat the same kind of thing at another park where you can't even sell the land would be even stupider. And since Newhall owns the land that SFMM is on (the park leases it from them for a minimal amount), there's no way to really win there. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 11:29:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60541 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fw0vq-0006Wm-FK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <44A41702.1070509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:08:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e64555e93077e18a07f05d25f4994656679f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Upu7VJzOpTkEhTGcUx378l6Z52zXp3PRHoEszrZvHSpj-LA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Look, both population bases are so enormous they could support several > major parks. But SFMM does have the distinct advantage over SFGAdv in > that GAdv is twice as far from the center of the population base. > SFMM should be doing far better than SFGAdv...and it's not. No arguments on that point. Simply means that what they've been doing hasn't been working and there are some big problems with it. So it's time to try some other options and strategies in the park and turn it around. By your own words, it shouldn't be hard to make SFMM a successful park, and that it should be doing far better. So now the key is what needs to be done to make it better. Selling it off certainly does not make it better. It totally kills it. > > > In my opinion, no park should be in danger of being closed as long as it > > turns a profit, and a downturn in attendance over the last 5 years is > > certainly not a justifable reason to close any park. > > Well, that depends on what kind of businessman you are. If you're not > interested in really staying in the business of amusement parks, then > there's no reason to keep the park open if it's not doing very well. Ok, but last time I checked Six Flags was ONLY in the business of doing amusement parks. They aren't in any other. So isn't it rather obvious that they're going to want to use an amusement park business model? That means long term planning, not overnight profits. > Just because a park is doing slightly better than breaking even > doesn't mean it's worth the effort. Parks aren't charity. No, but what it does mean is that there are probably things that you can do to help it do better than a slight profit- especially when you're in one of the top 2 largest markets in the country. > But I'd also like to point out that you're working under the > assumption that SFMM is turning a profit. I have no first-hand > evidence one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn > that it isn't. I would be. Frankly I'd be absolutely shocked if it wasn't turning a decent profit. I know that I've heard from several sources out there that they do, and that part of the problem has been that they haven't been putting that profit back into the park, but rather they've been sending it out to some of the other parks. > If a park isn't turning a profit, then there's no reason to keep it. > At this point in the game, with Six Flags in some deep financial > trouble, they're not willing to dump the investment into SFMM that > would be necessary to turn it around. I can't fault them for that. Wow, look at that again Nate. So would you say that after one off year that you'd dump a park because it didn't make a profit? Two? How long until you would give up? Now consider that they've just put in millions into improvements- millions they're not going to get back. Is it worth it then? Especially when, and here's the kicker that many apparently have totally overlooked- Six Flags doesn't own the land the park is on. They lease it under a 99 year deal from the Newhall Land company! Even if they close the park and sell the rides, the land isn't theirs and they're not going to get a cent from it. In other words, if they close the park, they're going to lose millions on what they've spent on Tatsu, Scream, and other things that they can't get back. > I realize that. And if you're running one park, that makes sense. > But when you endanger your entire business just for the sake of > keeping one struggling park, you're not making the smartest decisions. When you're willing to toss off one park in the largest market in the country, remove your presence from that area entirely, because you're not willing to put in some time and effort to make it a success, you're not making the smartest of decisions either. Sorry, but I'm adament that for less than the price of either Scream or Tatsu they could totally turn that park around, and the people would be back. keep on ridin' George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From garg@ghost.de Thu Jun 29 12:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: garg@ghost.de X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37067 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 18:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 18:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 18:59:14 -0000 Received: from [84.150.15.57] (helo=Ghost) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1Fw1jM1lKN-0001IS; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:59:12 +0200 Message-ID: <0a6901c69bae$15601130$18b2a8c0@Ghost> To: References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <44A41702.1070509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:59:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3fbd3539ecb6db74510b710451bacbc0 X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Max A. Kern" Subject: Breaking News: 12-year-old boy dies on Disney's Rock'n'Roller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216627; y=fQobhmC4fA1Q2aUdf8m5fV024wn6EGXSR-ClM2HL4HAmEA X-Yahoo-Profile: gargmuc Hi, according to CNN a 12-year-old boy dies on Disney's Rock'n'Roller coaster at Disney-MGM studios in Orlando, Florida. http://www.cnn.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 13:49:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74841 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 20:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 20:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 20:10:40 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so534781ugf for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr2319100ugj; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:10:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44A412F8.7070105@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44A412F8.7070105@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cz-ZRdFSby6eQbEG-0lAqEDqzoJFoPkn7XMHZLQGLLAYdVUYzJ7wCT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > However, there is another example in the same chain that happened not to > long ago- SF Astroworld. It's attendance numbers the last month it was > open shot through the roof as everyone nearby was trying to get in a > last visit...Snyder and company complained that the park never should have > been closed. That's because Snyder and company were doing everything they could at that point to badmouth the former Six Flags management and differentiate themselves from them. However, the sale of SFAW is *exactly* the type of thing they would have done. SFAW was a struggling park that sat on land they thought could be sold for big bucks. If Snyder had taken over sooner, I think SFAW would have had the same fate. Remember that Snyder took over Six Flags less than a month after SFAW closed. If they *really* felt like there was a market for SFAW and they *really* felt they could turn a major profit, it wouldn't have been to late to keep the place open. Most of the destruction didn't take place until after the old management moved out. > I could easily see them taking that experience and trying to use it to > push up SFMM's numbers, then say that as a way to show this management > is different than in the past they decided to keep the park open instead > of closing it like the last owners did to Astroworld. As countless other people have said, you don't spend the time and effort to put a park up for sale if you have no plans of going through with it. > Any evidence for the "rowdy" crowd being why attendance is down > (assuming it is, I've heard the opposite with Tatsu opening), as opposed > to other factors? If you read my post, I said that nobody really believed that they were selling the park because the crowds were too rowdy. That is, it's not the rowdiness that's warrenting the sale. It's that the park is only drawing "rowdy" (that is, teenage) crowds that don't spend money and don't drive attendance. > There are a number of factors and problems that have plagued the park. > Lack of maintanance, customer service, and variety of things to do are > paramount on the list, and that's what the locals have complained about > for years. Right. And those factors have kept out families and kept the rowdy crowds coming. That's the point I was trying to make. > You have to > overcome the word of mouth and the perception of the park that's been > propagated over the years. The problem is that this is far easier said than done, and that's what the current Six Flags management is figuring out. To them, SFMM is a lost cause because it's going to take FAR more than minor improvements to change peoples' minds. > I'm not sure that the city area though is going to go for a quick sale > for development though. As I said, it won't matter as long as a developer is willing to buy. Six Flags will let them worry about zoning. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 29 14:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89088 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:21:42 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5TLLfGJ008368 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:21:41 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:21:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <038001c69b39$65664480$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <038001c69b39$65664480$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94A71589-2F6B-4C5A-95D2-1B24096BBCEB@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:21:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 21:21:41.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[03884220:01C69BC2] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Z1hK6n-fHzQFalHnRZQ83GPxUcKk16LnRE7A_Xj0U98EDdyl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The biggest of all... Harry Potter. Aren't all those movies PG-13? I know many people with young kids who don't go to the Potter movies because they're too scary. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 29 14:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73140 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5TLJAhr008254 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:19:10 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:19:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> References: <000601c69b0b$bcc2b3e0$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62BE4431-0CC0-4F3C-8B9C-97E9CAF1BF75@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:19:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 21:19:10.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9F0C5C0:01C69BC1] X-Spam-Score: -2.985 () ALL_TRUSTED,SARE_MILLIONSOF X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DcLjohY06gY-dzsFcVKApek026sjdv2Dy1KACLMEuDRBKMFT X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Ok .. first of all, Shapiro and Snyder are businessmen. All they care about is making money, making as much as possible and as quickly as possible. They don't care about rides, coasters, history or any of that, unless of course it helps them make money. That said, you can't make any suggestions about what these guys should do, unless you completely remove every ounce of emotional attachment you have to Six Flags (amusement parks in general). And you can't do that (no-one here can, really). > "With a little TLC and investment, it would be a great park and a > great revenue producer," Cora said. They can make several hundreds of millions of dollars if they sell Magic Mountain. Think about how much money that is .. HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars. That's huge! I don't care what you say, but no amount of flat-rides, or customer service, or landscaping, or marketing will EVER net that result. Never, ever! Think about it. Shapiro talking about being like Disney, and turning the chain around, and hating teens and catering to families .. it's all guff .. just to appease the public so that he has a good excuse when he comes in and sells half the parks. Obviously I don't know for sure whether or not he'll sell Magic Mountain .. but I'd be surprised if he didn't, considering how much money he can make extremely quickly. Think again .. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! > A more family-friendly Magic Mountain, if delivered as new Six > Flags CEO Mark Shapiro has promised, could squeeze Universal > Studios Hollywood from the northern side of the market, as well. But not make hundreds of millions of dollars... > As for Six Flags, if Shapiro thought he had time to steer his > chain's focus from thrill-seeking teens to families, that time is > up. Cedar Fair now owns the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic regions of the > country. Its Nickelodeon characters resonate far more with today's > kids than Six Flags' Warner Bros. toons. Yeah, that's all a pile of crap .. except the Nick characters.. > Now, if I am reading this correctly, Theme Park Insider is stating > that the time has come and passed, for Mark Shapiro to turn around > the parks in the Midwest Six Flags Great America is one of the most profitable parks in the chain .. It's far better than any Cedar Fair trash I've been too (including Cedar Point). All I imagine Shapiro will do to the park is less coasters, more water-park, and more family .. which is everything the previous management said they were doing too anyway. > This goes back to my post over the weekend.... "to make money, you > have to spend money, and not sell assets." HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! > If you want families to come back to the parks, you need to take > what Disney and Cedar Fair have done, and are doing to the next > level, and be different enough to make families want to visit your > parks. ??? What the hell does Cedar Fair do for families? I hardly think Talon, Silver Bullet, and (what's the green floorless thing called?) appeal to Mr. and Mrs. American with their 2.5 kids.. Knott's was far more family friendly before Cedar Fair took over .. the same with Dorney (from everything I've read - I've not actually been there). Cedar Fair is worse than Six Flags ever was, because they have the example not to follow! "Who's more of a fool .. a fool or the fool who follows the fool?!" Cedar Fair is a fool following a fool (Six Flags). > ... spend the money sprucing up the parks, bring in more family > oriented rides, bring in more updated characters that the children > of today and tomorrow can relate too You forgot "Sell some parks to get an influx of cash, then spend 10 years to..." at the start of that. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS .. don't forget that. > and that's because no one has realized yet that you need to bring > the product into the new Millenium. Ugh .. using bad cliches that are 10 years old will not solve anything! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 14:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64076 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 20:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 20:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 20:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 20:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 20:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 20:37:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:37:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44A41702.1070509@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Sg-fcHqhIU2AiZH0zrA6lyCD7mcyZzgOcDIeL_jEEjIszE6zEt_U X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Ok, but last time I checked Six Flags was ONLY in the business of=20 > doing amusement parks. They aren't in any other. So isn't it=20 > rather obvious that they're going to want to use an amusement park=20 > business model?=20 George, you make an excellent point about the Newhall company owning=20 the land --- I knew MM was part of the original plan for Valencia,=20 but I hadn't known about the land-ownership situation. That being said, I think a number of companies that were previously=20 in some other kind of business have suddenly discovered that they=20 were in the real estate business when the land they owned=20 (apparently not applicable for SFMM, but instructive for other=20 threatened amusement parks) became more valuable. When I was a teenager (1990-1991) I worked for Pacific Theatres, and=20 at the time the company was in the process of selling off a number=20 of its assets. By the mid-80s, they had something on the order of 15- 20 drive-in movie theatres around Southern California (newspaper ads=20 actually distinguished "regular" theatres by calling them "walk- ins"), but by this time home video was cutting into the drive-in=20 theatre business. Lo and behold, Pacific Theatres found themselves=20 with a whole bunch of unprofitable businesses sitting on very large=20 parcels in the middle of a booming, built-out metropolis. It was, of=20 course, very profitable to redevelop or sell off these properties,=20 and within about 10 years all but one of their drive-ins had been=20 converted into houses, shopping centers, etc. Often these shopping=20 centers were anchored by new "walk-in" theatres built with more=20 screens, modern amenities, etc. All of this is pretty much a win-win=20 situation unless you're a big drive-in nostalgia buff. If there were to be a big downturn in the amusement park business, a=20 lot of park operators could suddenly find themselves in the real=20 estate business. Just a cautionary tale that park enthusiasts could=20 someday look like mere nostalgia buffs, too, if the parks aren't=20 profitable. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 29 14:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30549 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5TLSPOY008678 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:28:25 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:28:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44A413B7.7040207@earthlink.net> References: <000601c69a34$1b17a870$05827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <44A413B7.7040207@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A96AD35-7DFE-4E65-BE8D-8F88576154DF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:28:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 21:28:25.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4B6CFE0:01C69BC2] X-Spam-Score: -2.985 () ALL_TRUSTED,SARE_MILLIONSOF X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Misc: Signature Confirmation - Save Magic Mountain! - 757 - SaveMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Rcn_dWa_Lt4Au4bkChjbtXRvlonZeuc9XehPY7lwkfB19knZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey George, > THUNDER7NYFL wrote: >> >> Please help, and join the fight to save this park. Regardless of your >> thoughts on the rides, management, and the park itself, we are ALL >> theme >> park enthusiasts, and should join in the cause. I have posted the >> link on >> www.myspace.com/thunder7nyfl (which is my profile). I have copied >> friends >> as they ALL know how I feel about this park! > > Hopefully I won't offend with this, but online petitions are an > absolute > waste of time. There is no legitimacy to them, no way to verify > anyone > or anything on them, and no one with any influence pays any > attention to > them. haha .. I was going to say the same thing! Even if it had an ounce of weight behind it, you're not likely to get very many signatures. Think about it: if they get 100,000 signatures, that's only one weeks attendance .. it's not likely to swing them from a deal worth several hundreds of millions of dollars. This whole thing is really interesting .. Watching people go through the stages of grieving. First there was anger "I HATE HIM I'LL BOYCOTT HIS PARKS!!", now denial "maybe we can stop it!" .. acceptance is bound to be around the corner. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 29 14:34:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66028 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fw3io-0007Nr-Aa for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44A440E6.6070400@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:06:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <44A412F8.7070105@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e645524515ba1fcd830092cbb3e788599b218350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=VjjuDFotgJZUf5cLPZUK3k4GXCi-AaFWritrso7I8mi5FMg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Another interesting development in the story, as reported by the Motley fool: http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06062815.htm Apparently when the stocks tanked the other day after the announcement, guess who bought another half million shares: None other than Mr. Daniel Snyder. So, stock price tanks on the announcement that they're considering what to do with the parks, fairly obviously not a popular announcement. So when they announce what they're going to do, and, in my opinion, say that they're committed to SFMM and it's success, stocks go back up again and guess who makes another big profit... Hmm, maybe I'm totally off base here just because of my extreme dislike of Snyder, but seems to make sense to me. AT least a heck of a lot more sense then the idea of selling SFMM. Still haven't found any evidence either that Six Flags actually owns the property the park is on. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 29 14:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98649 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:25:11 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5TLPADV014673 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:10 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060629110801.5947.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060629110801.5947.qmail@web42203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 21:25:10.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[807093A0:01C69BC2] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=2Thwd0xcBZhhA4oct0gOsSLYMsHOBDfhUQBFh7BtqZKKnsb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon The Final Fantasy characters would get Shapiro laughed out of the board-room .. but Mario would be awesome. > Yes, Mario has been around for a while (so has The latest Super Mario Brothers game has so far sold over 2.5 million world wide (in just a few weeks), it's one of the best selling games in history! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 29 14:49:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4088 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:33:19 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5TLXIjF008968 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:33:18 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:33:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44A41835.4040308@earthlink.net> References: <44A41835.4040308@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <402BCDFD-ACD2-405D-BCAA-1A2A6FD8DF4F@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:33:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 21:33:18.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3096DF0:01C69BC3] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Yxyig-FSU2pTaCChdXNusvFfLwaNyzfmTLq03p6N0-dAjf7s X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > And they didn't get anywhere near what they expected to get out of > SFAW. > They didn't sell many of the rides they were counting on selling, > and > for nowhere near the prices they wanted. And the land was sold for > around half of what they expected to get out of it. > > I've a feeling that when they then take out the costs of demolition, > removing rides, moving them, and everything else involved, they > probably > didn't end up with much left over from the entire thing. So next time they won't bother removing rides to resell .. they'll just either sell it AS-IS, or indiscriminately bulldoze the whole lot - it's surprisingly inexpensive when you don't care about the outcome. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** He was a little dog, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** named Snuggles. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 14:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11473 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:50:50 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so42481ugc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr2413490ugg; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:50:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44A41702.1070509@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <449BD3CD.7010201@earthlink.net> <04c801c69933$074dd140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <070101c699fe$47589b50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <010401c69a52$f8b40160$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <44A41702.1070509@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rLjfE_oCaY-VpyQfoXn16OlC6yXznQQQqlhqYYWzwQkJ_FzUmWCNI7c X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > By your own words, it shouldn't be hard to make SFMM a > successful park, and that it should be doing far better. So now the key > is what needs to be done to make it better. Those weren't my words. What I said was that SFMM shouldn't have had trouble drawing the crowds like SFGAdv, and the fact that it *did* really shows the dismal state of affairs that park was in. Turning SFMM around is going to take a minor miracle, and it's very likely not going to happen under the Six Flags name. > Ok, but last time I checked Six Flags was ONLY in the business of doing > amusement parks. They aren't in any other. No, they're in the business of making big money. All of the executives making the decisions have had interests in other ventures. Not to mention the fact that they have many, many other parks that are doing far better. > No, but what it does mean is that there are probably things that you can > do to help it do better than a slight profit- especially when you're in > one of the top 2 largest markets in the country. The fact that a park in such a large market is barely scraping by again shows how terrible public perception must be. Turning it around is not going to be easy. > I would be. Frankly I'd be absolutely shocked if it wasn't turning a > decent profit. Why? It's drawing the same daily attendance as Six Flags Elitch Gardens while its operating expenses must be at least three times as large. What about that screams "profit" to you? And for the record, I've heard that increasing the budgets for landscaping, hiring, training, and maintenance to the levels they need to be is going to result in an unprofitable park. That's exactly why the former management made those cuts. The park *was* profitable under the old management. It's not anymore because budgets have been increased. That's trouble, and that's why they want to ditch it. > I know that I've heard from several sources out there > that they do, and that part of the problem has been that they haven't > been putting that profit back into the park, but rather they've been > sending it out to some of the other parks. That's laughable. SFMM may have been profitable, but it's no cash cow. And to think that investments (in the form of huge, expensive coasters) haven't been poured into the park is absurd. > Wow, look at that again Nate. So would you say that after one off year > that you'd dump a park because it didn't make a profit? Two? How long > until you would give up? How long has SFMM been struggling? Five years? Six? How long is it really going to take to make the kind of profit that's going to exceed what they could make in a sale? You're acting as though they've owned and been committed to this park for years and are now suddenly giving up. They have absolutely no attachment to SFMM. They've just taken over the company and are looking at ways to fix the bottom line. Selling off problem properties is the first step any CEO would take, especially with the land under SFMM being worth so much. > Especially when, and here's the kicker that many apparently have totally > overlooked- Six Flags doesn't own the land the park is on. They lease > it under a 99 year deal from the Newhall Land company! Where are you getting that information? I've never seen *anything* to suggest that, including the company's own financial reports that detail their assetts. Additionally, you'd think that would put quite the damper in selling the park, no? Sorry, but I don't buy it. They wouldn't even be suggesting selling the park to developers if the land wasn't theirs. > In other words, if they close the park, they're going to lose millions > on what they've spent on Tatsu, Scream, and other things that they can't > get back. Except for the fact that these rides can be moved to other parks or sold, of course... > When you're willing to toss off one park in the largest market in the > country, remove your presence from that area entirely, because you're > not willing to put in some time and effort to make it a success, you're > not making the smartest of decisions either. I obviously disagree. When you're willing to hold onto a problem park that's losing you money, further tarnishing your reputation, creating poor publicity, and taking a huge gamble just for the sake of trying to turn a dying park around, you're not making the smartest of decisions. > Sorry, but I'm adament > that for less than the price of either Scream or Tatsu they could > totally turn that park around, and the people would be back. Take a look at Geauga Lake and tell Cedar Fair that. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 15:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75721 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 21:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 21:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hu-out-0102.google.com) (72.14.214.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 21:53:24 -0000 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 21so189068hug for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr2405140ugg; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:53:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44A440E6.6070400@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44A412F8.7070105@earthlink.net> <44A440E6.6070400@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.214.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=eBjj26F8ooxZIrKcxnuoJtRUcNcZr8O3EVDFQ-CyAjlpoEDc0T59R7M X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So, stock price tanks on the announcement that they're considering what > to do with the parks, fairly obviously not a popular announcement. Except that's not why stock prices fell. They fell because Six Flags announced they weren't going to meet their projections for the year and Shapiro said it's going to be far harder to turn the chain around than they first thought. Essentially, they came out and said, "After six months of operating these parks, we've realized we won't be able to turn them around in a year and give you a big return on your investment. Sorry." The sale of the parks was announced to try to off-set the negative impact of that statemtent. It wasn't the reason for the drop. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 15:15:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17990 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2006 22:15:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:15:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=Fd-0kp0mPaAPa15y_exAj90NcSHTBnZAV4ZeKOQ5yWOTXeVpw52D X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani First, I'll note that Slate.com has an article about the problems=20 Snyder faces in rebradning Six Flags for a more upscale (read:=20 spends more money) crowd. It doesn't actually mention the "maybe=20 we'll sell off more parks" announcement: http://www.slate.com/id/2144783/ > The latest Super Mario Brothers game has so far sold over 2.5=20 > million world wide (in just a few weeks), it's one of the best=20 > selling games in history! Ah, I hadn't known that. Like I said, I'm pretty out-of-touch with=20 the video game industry. I would think Super Mario Bros. would be a=20 pretty good fit for what they're looking for--- appeal to kids=20 without being seen as just for the younger set, and a brand with a=20 lot of colorful characters and kineticism that would seem to be a=20 good fit for what Six Flags is looking for. Plus, it's been popular=20 for 20 years now. > Ok .. first of all, Shapiro and Snyder are businessmen. All they=20 > care about is making money, making as much as possible and as=20 > quickly as possible. They don't care about rides, coasters,=20 > history or any of that, unless of course it helps them make money.=20 > That said, you can't make any suggestions about what these guys=20 > should do, unless you completely remove every ounce of emotional=20 > attachment you have to Six Flags (amusement parks in general). And=20 > you can't do that (no-one here can, really). True. Of course, none of us wants to see them shut down the parks;=20 there's a conflict here between reconciling what we fear with what=20 we hope. We're trying to get a better idea of what to realistically=20 expect and brainstorming ways in which we might get what we hope,=20 which is for the parks to be rejuvenated and thriving. But you're right; we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking the Six=20 Flags management is a family that's put its heart and soul into=20 building a park for 45 years... they're businessmen. Businessmen in=20 the entertainment business, but businessmen nonetheless. > Hopefully I won't offend with this, but online petitions are an > absolute waste of time. Also true. Snopes.com discusses this subject: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.htm > This whole thing is really interesting .. Watching people go=20 > through the stages of grieving.=20 Funny, but sad, because it's true. > As countless other people have said, you don't spend the time and > effort to put a park up for sale if you have no plans of going=20 > through with it. Now wait a second... they haven't put SFMM or any other parks up for=20 sale yet. All we know at this point is that they made an=20 announcement that they'd consider the idea. That could mean anything=20 from an attendance-boosting ploy to everything they mentioned going=20 up for sale next week. It's by no means a done deal that SFMM or=20 anything else is going to even be put on the market, much less=20 closed down. > The biggest of all... Harry Potter.=20 ... > Lord of the Rings... new New Line, a sub-company of WB. Both are good suggestions, I think. They both may lean toward teens=20 rather than younger kids, but I don't think they're exactly=20 the "rowdy," non-merchandise-buying, non-upscale teens that=20 management is afraid of. HP in particular is just huge.=20 >>Hmmm... nobody's licensed the Simpsons for a theme park. > That's because FOX wont let them.=20 Hm! I wonder why not. I wonder if Murdoch is thinking he might want=20 to get into the theme park business on his on, beyond Foxploration=20 in Rosarito. Or maybe he doesn't have any real plans to do so, but=20 is just holding back on the Simpsons just in case. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Jun 29 16:54:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15540 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 23:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 23:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 23:54:14 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5TNsDQ1014923 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:54:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c69bd7$54033c90$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <44A440E6.6070400@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acabw+Wfd78zsQNDSYC6ve4KSyXSwwAEv0cg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=lPdkXp1i5QlZWwCp0Ins1NmS9touECDCpGYxHeGEC1gNvmY X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > So, stock price tanks on the announcement that they're > considering what > to do with the parks, fairly obviously not a popular > announcement. So > when they announce what they're going to do, and, in my opinion, say > that they're committed to SFMM and it's success, stocks go > back up again > and guess who makes another big profit... Except that if ANY evidence emerged that Snyder intentionally manipulated the stock price, he'd be hit with an insider trading investigation so fast ALL our heads would spin. A lot of the moves Shapiro and company are making actually tell me they have SOME clue what they're doing. The focus on a family-friendly environment, and the comments about "once you lose the soccer mom, she's not coming back", tell me that while they're looking at the bottom line, they're thinking about it with a longer-term vision in mind than the previous administration ever had... --Greg From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Jun 29 17:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85739 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 00:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 00:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 00:00:47 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U00kQ1008372 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:00:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c69bd8$3e79f8e0$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcabxjFThx5Bu0QUSnSA1p39Gjo/4QAEYVUg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=ZE-JM5WwSLsyRWggBwkMy_Svg9OIrFcRRts1CuwbiqvkD9M X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Take a look at Geauga Lake and tell Cedar Fair that. I think this is the single best comment made to date on this topic. Granted, Cedar Fair lost some patrons when closing the animal side, but MOST of the damage to the park's reputation had been done while under Six Flags management (quite a few of my non-enthusiast friends look poorly at that park now based on bad experiences at Six Flags Worlds of Adventure, or even Six Flags Ohio...) Cedar Fair is STILL working to reverse that damage, to the point where admission there is cheaper than Kennywood. --Greg From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 29 18:50:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83979 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 01:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 01:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 01:47:20 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5U1lIp4002806 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <062201c69be7$28a4d6c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <44A41835.4040308@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:47:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=jV4leT4dTHnH6-DfGKxtCrNju9fyJCdKOZSHyajMmeQOjwhxqRwWvmR5HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > And to repeat the same kind of thing at another park where you can't > even sell the land would be even stupider. And since Newhall owns the > land that SFMM is on (the park leases it from them for a minimal > amount), there's no way to really win there. > > keep on ridin' > George According to the 2006 10K filing, Six Flags owns the land under Magic Mountian, not Newhall. "Six Flags Magic Mountain, Valencia, California--250 acres (fee ownership) " From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 29 19:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26165 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 02:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 02:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 02:12:13 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5U2C12t023910 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <06bf01c69bea$9c3c7c20$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <038001c69b39$65664480$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <94A71589-2F6B-4C5A-95D2-1B24096BBCEB@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:12:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=n-a0vYHv79cXD--DgVr2r6UveqrsKchRF70LoIlItG3tFjr7bcHeFi6DLw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Not sure really, but I'm sure they likely are. Movie ratings are totally out of whack though. You use any kind of firearm or weapon in a movie and it automaticlly rates PG-13 these days. These are the kinds of films that used to be PG a dozen years ago. When PG-13 first came out, it was supposed to fit between the PG and R... allowing for increased violence, brief nudity and the use of the F-word once or twice. Lower gore horror movies and violent action films were the films meant to fit into the PG-13 rating, to gain more money from the PG-13 rating instead of the R. These days anything that would have been PG is now PG-13. Films that should have been PG-13 films are now R And anything that would have been an R now has to wait for the Unrated or Directors Cut DVD version. And it's getting harder and harder to get a G rating for anything. Even Disney can't get G ratings for all of their toons anymore. Incredible's was given a PG along with Treasure Planet and Atlantis. Though the vaporizing guns used in Chicken Little still managed to get them a G rating somehow. Go figure. It's a sad world... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Silver" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: SIX FLAGS RANT - PART 2 > >> The biggest of all... Harry Potter. > > Aren't all those movies PG-13? I know many people with young kids who > don't go to the Potter movies because they're too scary. > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > > > From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Jun 29 19:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83171 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 02:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 02:03:13 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060630015656m12006pksoe>; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:56:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> References: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:56:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: SFMM & Newhall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=onvmcTGjWkAMLB6RYun9VLWG_Pv1WzrWbSYf4PJyHlSBHFFdaaW9Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Six Flags's annual SEC report identifies clearly which parks they own and which parks they lease. They own the land SFMM sits on. http://investors.sixflags.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=61629&p=irol-reportsAnnual The 2003 report explicitly states that they own the land: > We own a site of approximately 260 acres (Page 9 of the second part) ...as does page 8 of the 2004 report. The 2005 report changed phrasing a bit so that it doesn't say it expressly, but if you look, all the rest of the parks that are leased identify that clearly. Bill From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 29 19:51:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70705 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 02:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 02:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 02:44:11 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5U2i83P024421 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007201c69bef$190a9210$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Six Flags Land Ownership X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yTxzQfpktWrBe67FNywklzG_AILS8OvjGcA2Q9YH-2R7BShOhC8yL3uh6w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance In case anyone is interested, here is the complete rundown of all the parks Six Flags owns, and the terms on which they own or lease the park land, taken right from the 2006 10-K Filing with the SEC published in March 2006. I made a couple of notes in there too... For whatever reason, they list SFMM and Hurricane Harbor sepretly... now listing SFMM as 250 acres and HH as 12. Set forth below is a brief description of our material real estate at March 1, 2006. See also "Business--Description of Parks." Six Flags America, Largo, Maryland--523 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags AstroWorld, Houston, Texas--104 acres (fee ownership)(Closed in Oct 2005 and sale finalized in 2006 after this was published) Six Flags Darien Lake, Darien Center, New York--978 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Elitch Gardens, Denver, Colorado--67 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Fiesta Texas, San Antonio, Texas--216 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Great Adventure, Hurricane Harbor & Wild Safari, Jackson, New Jersey--2,279 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Great America, Gurnee, Illinois--324 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, Arlington, Texas--47 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, Valencia, California--12 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom, Louisville, Kentucky--59 acres (fee ownership and leasehold interest) Approximately 38 acres are leased under ground leases with terms (including renewal options) expiring between 2021 and 2049, with the balance owned by us. Six Flags Magic Mountain, Valencia, California--250 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Marine World, Vallejo, California--135 acres (long-term leasehold interest at nominal rent) Six Flags Mexico, Mexico City, Mexico--107 acres (occupied pursuant to concession agreement) The concession agreement is with the Federal District of Mexico City. The agreement expires in 2017. Six Flags New England, Agawam, Massachusetts--263 acres (substantially all fee ownership) Six Flags New Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana--227 acres (fee ownership and leasehold interest) The site on which the park is located is leased from the Industrial Development Board of the City of New Orleans. The lease expires in 2077. Amount shown includes a separate parcel of 86 acres which we own. Six Flags Over Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia--283 acres (leasehold interest) Lessor is the limited partner of the partnership that owns the park. The Six Flags Over Georgia and Six Flags Over Texas leases expire in 2027 and 2028, respectively, at which time we have the option to acquire all of the interests in the respective lessor that we have not previously acquired. Six Flags Over Texas, Arlington, Texas--217 acres (leasehold interest) Lessor is the limited partner of the partnership that owns the park. The Six Flags Over Georgia and Six Flags Over Texas leases expire in 2027 and 2028, respectively, at which time we have the option to acquire all of the interests in the respective lessor that we have not previously acquired. Six Flags Splashtown, Spring, Texas--55 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags St. Louis, Eureka, Missouri--503 acres (fee ownership) Six Flags Waterworld USA/Concord, Concord, California--21 acres (leasehold interest) leased from the City of Concord, expires in 2025 Six Flags Waterworld USA/Sacramento, Sacramento, California--9 acres (leasehold interest) The site is leased from the California Exposition and State Fair. The lease expires in 2007 pursuant to our termination notice. Six Flags White Water Atlanta, Marietta, Georgia--69 acres (fee ownership)Owned by the Georgia Partnership. Enchanted Village and Wild Waves, Seattle, Washington--66 acres (leasehold interest) The site is leased from the prior owner. The base term of the lease expires in 2030 and we have renewal options covering an additional 46 years. Frontier City, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma--113 acres (fee ownership) La Ronde, Montreal, Canada--146 acres (leasehold interest) The site is leased from the City of Montreal. The lease expires in 2065. The Great Escape, Lake George, New York--351 acres (fee ownership) White Water Bay, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma--21 acres (fee ownership) Wyandot Lake, Columbus, Ohio--18 acres (leasehold interest)The site is subleased from the Columbus Zoo. The lease expires in 2006. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 20:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80998 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 03:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 03:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 03:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 68416 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 03:10:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060630031015.68414.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:10:15 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=qUJageHVHM5M22SfdLjG2s1v0s7upr8ZXxw_FyENy64twhQz X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Replying to Adam and Cam here... --- adamnvillani wrote: > > The latest Super Mario Brothers game has so far > sold over 2.5 > > million world wide (in just a few weeks), it's one > of the best > > selling games in history! TO CAM: Yeah but, who cares what the sales were worldwide. The only thing that would matter in the instant case is how many were sold in the USA. I hate being so USA-centric, but when it comes to SFI, well they are primarily a US company now. Okay, *maybe* you can branch it out to "North American" sales =]. > Ah, I hadn't known that. Like I said, I'm pretty > out-of-touch with > the video game industry. I would think Super Mario > Bros. would be a > pretty good fit for what they're looking for--- > appeal to kids > without being seen as just for the younger set, Yep Adam, you *are* out of touch (no disrespect intended). I frequent some video game boards about as often as I look at these coaster boards and there is an OVERWHELMING stigma with Nintendo generally and Mario specifically that they are "kiddie". Mainstream gamers (aka average kids) berate Gamecube owners mercilously for playing with a kiddie console. I'd be willing to wager that Mario has been percieved as "cool" in the eyes of the tween+ American crowd, oh since about the time Sonic first appeared on the Sega Genesis =]. and > a brand with a > lot of colorful characters and kineticism that would > seem to be a > good fit for what Six Flags is looking for. Plus, > it's been popular > for 20 years now. Yeah, the color and the "safe" image fit, I'm just not buying it yet. While parents may love the idea of Mario (with his 'safe' legacy) I'm not sure that the kids would embrace him like that as a character. Besides, while practically *every* kid my age had an experience with the Mario games due to the NES being *the* must have toy. I dont think that many of todays kids have that same experience. The Gamecube lagged behind both Microsoft and Sony in this last console generation and today, it is the "Playstation" name that is synomymous with gaming as "Nintendo" and "Atari" once were. > > The biggest of all... Harry Potter. > ... > > Lord of the Rings... new New Line, a sub-company > of WB. > > Both are good suggestions, I think. They both may > lean toward teens > rather than younger kids, but I don't think they're > exactly > the "rowdy," non-merchandise-buying, non-upscale > teens that > management is afraid of. HP in particular is just > huge. Coasters, gaming, and now Potter, three things that I am particularly enthusiastic about (well the Potter movies anyway, I've each film, but never cracked a book). The first Potter film was mostly safe for all ages. There may have been one or two questionable parts, but overall, I'd watch the film with even five year olds. The other films, however, *are* quite a bit darker and perhaps not proper for the youngest of kids. However, Harry would resonate with preteen/tweens which is, IMO, the group SFI should go after. This is the group that still relies on their parents, yet can experience most the park has to offer. Loony toons is great for the little kids, but when the child (especially the boys) out grow stuffed animals, what's left for them? The justice League would be a good idea, but do kids read comics anymore? Does the JL have a cartoon? Potter is everywhere and lends itself nicely to a theme park as the whole potter universe is fantasy anyway. > > >>Hmmm... nobody's licensed the Simpsons for a theme > park. I've loved the simpsons ever since the late 80's when they were just a skit on the Tracey Ulman Show. But their time has passed. Move along, nothing to see here... jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 23:44:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10472 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 06:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 06:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 06:44:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:44:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:44:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2SWN11Ze7Ncqh6ZcSrPfKWde8hqKqolTDbccbl7fhuGT5qIGag X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Those weren't my words. What I said was that SFMM shouldn't have had > trouble drawing the crowds like SFGAdv, and the fact that it *did* > really shows the dismal state of affairs that park was in. Turning > SFMM around is going to take a minor miracle, and it's very likely=20 not > going to happen under the Six Flags name. > -Nate Nate, you are on a serious down note about this whole thing. It=20 ALMOST, seems like everyone is just egging you on. Relax, it's just a=20 park and a speculative announcement.=20 Questions:=20 What was the maximum number of parks owned and/or operated under the=20 Six Flags name? Are they really down to 17 Water and Amusement parks?=20 Wouldn't Snyder buying huge volumes of stocks on the announcement of=20 pak sales then recouping huge gains upon a shift in ideas be=20 considered 'Insider Trading'? Isn't that sort of thing frowned upon?=20 Does 6FGAm have a season parking pass this year?=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 29 23:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21708 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 06:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:48:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.253 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=UN9rcruC0O0fxgT7zzK7JUAyV1sU7WEmzOTf3rjaFZ8VLqU-XA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > >>Hmmm... nobody's licensed the Simpsons for a theme park. >=20 > > That's because FOX wont let them.=20 >=20 > Hm! I wonder why not. I wonder if Murdoch is thinking he might want=20 > to get into the theme park business on his on, beyond Foxploration=20 > in Rosarito. Or maybe he doesn't have any real plans to do so, but=20 > is just holding back on the Simpsons just in case. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com How much of the Simpson's does Matt Groening still control? He might=20 be a piece of that answer as well.=20 Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jun 30 05:20:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1130 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 12:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 12:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 12:20:14 -0000 Received: from [69.161.161.216] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FwHyS-0002oO-TL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <44A516E4.70904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:19:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478caffd8eb653e64559115f0c9fbb1e5cea32d42360fe911d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM & Newhall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=H5P4m1FIUuNsiloGy1XA5I-nu17pJ0SJ19dtLEN0vK0iDdo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Bill Childs wrote: > > > Six Flags's annual SEC report identifies clearly which parks they own > and which parks they lease. They own the land SFMM sits on. Thanks for the correction Bill, it's most appreciated. Now I'm just wondering when they bought the land, or what my muddled up brain is getting mixed up about. :) keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From kevindreyling@astound.net Fri Jun 30 05:51:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5737 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 12:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 12:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 12:50:07 -0000 X-Sender: kevindreyling@astound.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29384 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 06:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 06:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 06:47:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:47:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.216.238.188 From: "pink_floydfanatic" Subject: Valleyfair may get a new woodie next year!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=217780196; y=2_d6voD-SETRSNtc4_bf0sKUQii-kmDsu2DdRU_tjOTqGw X-Yahoo-Profile: pink_floydfanatic X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 30 Jun 2006 12:50:07 -0000 On Thrill Network a poster who was accurate with his last several=20 predictions said something about a woodie going in the front of the=20 park where the antique autos are located and that the antique autos=20 would be move to behind the general store near the Looping Starship. I=20 was also talking to a ride mechanic about a week ago at the park and=20 he=20 said something about a large new woodie but I thought he was BSing=20 because I think he'd recognized me and knew I loved woodies but I=20 could=20 be wrong. I think VF need either a TGG steel structured woodie or an=20 Intamin woodie because a wood structure with the laminated wood track=20 is too much for VF to handle. Look at High Roller for example! Heavy=20 braking which is believe is partly due to maintenance issues and HR=20 looks like it is poorly built with not enough bracing.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 30 06:52:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69489 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 13:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 13:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 13:52:57 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so279446ugc for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr3106313ugi; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:52:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=K7zYwMG_kjna5BRIPl0JSneNN_pPXL2us2eyDzhweIQu34XBhFLvXOA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Nate, you are on a serious down note about this whole thing. It > ALMOST, seems like everyone is just egging you on. Relax, it's just a > park and a speculative announcement. I'm not uptight about it; this is exactly the kind of thing I enjoy discussing/debating. Although I obviously enjoy visiting parks and riding roller coasters, the business side of things interests me far more than discussing piles of dirt at Cedar Point. I think it's sad that any park would be doing poorly and in danger of closing. But from a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense. > What was the maximum number of parks owned and/or operated under the > Six Flags name? Are they really down to 17 Water and Amusement parks? 38. They are down to 28. > Wouldn't Snyder buying huge volumes of stocks on the announcement of > pak sales then recouping huge gains upon a shift in ideas be > considered 'Insider Trading'? Only if he intentionally (and falsely) drove stock prices down in order to buy a large amount at a lesser price. I don't think that's what's going on here. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 30 07:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99653 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 14:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 14:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 14:30:28 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E70A9A91 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:30:23 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000c01c69bd7$54033c90$0600a8c0@raven> References: <000c01c69bd7$54033c90$0600a8c0@raven> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4778D655-4C38-43E1-A208-E940E38D912B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:30:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SF Sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=mtzm7Ug2_w9tPgOV6YXik-eBWZnWDNM_DEjy97KeP-03-Tfs X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> So, stock price tanks on the announcement that they're considering >> what to do with the parks, fairly obviously not a popular >> announcement. So when they announce what they're going to do, >> and, in my opinion, say that they're committed to SFMM and it's >> success, stocks go >> back up again and guess who makes another big profit... > > Except that if ANY evidence emerged that Snyder intentionally > manipulated > the stock price, he'd be hit with an insider trading investigation > so fast > ALL our heads would spin. Of course he manipulates the stock, that's the job of a CEO .. to make the stock go up so all the stockholders get rich! If he announced the park selling specifically to count-act the stock price tank, then he's doing his job. Nothing illegal about that. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coastermanokc@cox.net Fri Jun 30 07:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83522 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 14:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 14:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao02.cox.net) (70.168.83.82) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 14:44:05 -0000 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([70.189.88.102]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060630144357.VGSZ12772.centrmmtao02.cox.net@MYCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:43:57 -0400 To: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c69c53$9d8efc10$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcacU51m8RR/6RMmT7mOdSlArmFBiA== X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=ClgFgSWs9PMc6VM5mPiiT38nKgiqC3gA0mIWJtBWTKco3wEykVx82g X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I am not familiar with Harry Potter the problem that I see is that once the 7th book/ movie comes out it is all over. The books author has said (unless I miss heard) that the 7th book WILL be the last of the series. Once that happens I think it just leaves themed areas that many people are not familiar with. The same disconnect that previous writers have said exists with Looney Toons. That is just my 2 cents. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 30 07:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71747 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 14:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 14:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 14:43:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662B19A91 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:43:23 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060630031015.68414.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060630031015.68414.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82EF9444-2CC5-46B2-A80B-DABAB7F225B9@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:43:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=cvhSZdz9h_eZg2ewxJS6gIn5a8l65zbJkgRDBGE6ZiqWSZ-D X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, >>> The latest Super Mario Brothers game has so far sold over 2.5 >>> million world wide (in just a few weeks), it's one of the best >>> selling games in history! > > TO CAM: > Yeah but, who cares what the sales were worldwide. Well it was only just released in the US .. but sales have already topped one million and it's climbing at an insane rate (not record holding, but close). Most of Nintendo's recent games have sold insane numbers (Brain Age is over 6 million, and hasn't really started to slow down .. similar for Animal Crossing, although I don't have the number with me). I should point out that 80% of video games never do more than several hundred thousand. A good game will do over 600,000 .. a great game will break a million .. and a phenomenal game will do several million (GTA, Halo, etc..). Nintendo have so many *huge* games is just amazing. Now I doubt we'll see a Brain Age themed section of a park .. but an Animal Crossing kids area (maybe mixed up with a little Nintendog action) could be a huge draw. > Mainstream gamers (aka average kids) berate Gamecube owners > mercilously for playing with a kiddie console. Actually the main reason Nintendo has been doing so well lately is because they've realized that the "mainstream gamers" is such a tiny portion of the population .. so they (Nintendo) are making games that appeal to normal people. Most of the mainstream gamers are teens and college kids ... if you cater to everyone else, you have a much larger market. This is exactly what Shapiro is trying to do. > The Gamecube lagged behind both Microsoft and Sony in this last > console generation and today, it is the "Playstation" name that is > synomymous with gaming as "Nintendo" and "Atari" once were. But the last console cycle is over .. and the new one is looking very grim from Sony and very lucrative for Nintendo. The Wee will be huge .. almost certainly number 2 (behind XBOX) in the US, maybe even number 1 (fingers crossed). Oh yeah, Wee will be number 1 by a huge margin in Japan. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** And now: * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A Walk In The Black Forest! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 30 08:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64017 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 15:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 15:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 15:27:28 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UDZVgb006616 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052301c69c4a$17f14a80$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> <44A516E4.70904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM & Newhall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=KrWeIgleHS8u3NSyAvc05sRTziaHIDoycUzWG6aW9FkNdZdqHPq83SWcOg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Six Flags's annual SEC report identifies clearly which parks they own >> and which parks they lease. They own the land SFMM sits on. > > Thanks for the correction Bill, it's most appreciated. Now I'm just > wondering when they bought the land, or what my muddled up brain is > getting mixed up about. :) I think they've always OWNED the land it sits on. Many of the creators of SFMM were the same people who created the first SeaWorld in San Diego a few years before, which was on land leased from the city. But I think they realized their mistake about the leased land and bought it this time out. However, while they OWN it, they don't have 100% control over it outside the realm of being used as a theme park. This is much in the same way that anyone who has a house in a subdivision with a Home Owners Assoctiation and such, where they can put up a set of rules on what color your house can be, what kind of plants you can have, an approval process for any major work you might want to do to your house, etc. I think Newhall might have still had that Overlord level of master control over all of Valencia, but I think the park has always owned the land. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jun 30 10:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62589 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 17:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 17:21:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2006 17:21:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:21:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <82EF9444-2CC5-46B2-A80B-DABAB7F225B9@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=EwPOhkgYDdVtIhGUbTe2qHocAttADxHchTlAKUufp-A1qB1ryQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > > The Gamecube lagged behind both Microsoft and Sony in this last=20=20 > > console generation and today, it is the "Playstation" name that is=20=20 > > synomymous with gaming as "Nintendo" and "Atari" once were. >=20 > But the last console cycle is over .. and the new one is looking very = =20 > grim from Sony and very lucrative for Nintendo. The Wee will be=20=20 > huge .. almost certainly number 2 (behind XBOX) in the US, maybe even = =20 > number 1 (fingers crossed). Oh yeah, Wee will be number 1 by a huge=20=20 > margin in Japan. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 The WII is going to be very very overlooked here in America. Japan likes st= upid sh*t and=20 that's just what Wii looks like! PS3 will be overpriced at first, but I'm s= ure it will surpass=20 sales of the over-rated xBox 360. Personally, I don't spend enough time pla= ying any of my=20 video game systems to justify buying any of the new ones. (I've got a GBA, = Gamecube,=20 XBox & PS2 ... let alone my MAC that i seldom get to play WoW & WC3 , and m= y fiances=20 POS/PC....) I think it's way too soon for the NEXT generation of consoles.= .. but that's just=20 me. I'll glady eat my words if the Wii does as much here in the US as their hop= ing to , I've=20 always been a big Nintendo fan. But personaly from what i've seen, it's not= looking good. Also a theme park w/ Mario Brothers would go over hella-well in Japan, but = not here in the=20 US. It's stupid to think that they would do something like that. Just caus= e Japan has sooo=20 much cartoony sh*t going on over there to begin with, it would fit well. None of the THEMES that have been mentioned (LotR,HP,Mario....) don't strik= e me as=20 GREAT ideas that will ever get developed into more than Coaster Tools Dream= s. They just=20 don't show the longevity that WB's and Disney characters have had over the = years. But then=20 again, the whole world though Walt Disney was an idiot for making his own t= hemepark...=20 so maybe all the lil' Japaname fans would love the Final Fantasty Flags ove= r Texas or w/e I just don't see the future for amusement parks to head into that direction that's just my .02 cents worth of a food stamp (not even real currency) jeremy d. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jun 30 11:42:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9552 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 18:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 18:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-46.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.15) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 18:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18031 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2006 18:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 18:22:40 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-59.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.59] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FwNdY-00035K-9g for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:22:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:26:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.59 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=qK-LQ6Ac6EeN6RFtCimnTu260v7nKHVEsxVuPoVy_ETexHJHcI2p X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> The Gamecube lagged behind both Microsoft and Sony in this last >>> console generation and today, it is the "Playstation" name that is >>> synomymous with gaming as "Nintendo" and "Atari" once were. >> >> But the last console cycle is over .. and the new one is looking very >> grim from Sony and very lucrative for Nintendo. The Wee will be >> huge .. almost certainly number 2 (behind XBOX) in the US, maybe even >> number 1 (fingers crossed). Oh yeah, Wee will be number 1 by a huge >> margin in Japan. >> >> Cameron. >> > > The WII is going to be very very overlooked here in America. Japan > likes stupid sh*t and > that's just what Wii looks like! PS3 will be overpriced at first, > but I'm sure it will surpass > sales of the over-rated xBox 360. Personally, I don't spend enough > time playing any of my > video game systems to justify buying any of the new ones. (I've got > a GBA, Gamecube, > XBox & PS2 ... let alone my MAC that i seldom get to play WoW & > WC3 , and my fiances > POS/PC....) I think it's way too soon for the NEXT generation of > consoles... but that's just > me. I don't really know if Wii is the Next generation console. It's certainly different, but its not just better graphics like PS3 and XBOX 360 are trying to do. I don't play games very often... the last console I bought was an N64. But if Nintendo prices the thing around $200, and has cheaper games, I think a lot of people here might pick one up just to play around with it. I don't know if it will be #1 or even #2 here, but its definitely going to be way better than the sales they got for the Game Cube, which is a good thing... just as long as Nintendo doesn't go out of business, I'll be happy. But I know I'm going to get one. Some of the newer games look cool, it's super small so it can fit in my dorm room, and plus it has the virtual console thing so I'll be able to download games like Super Mario 3 and [hopefully] Super Contra for Nintendo for a couple bucks. My original nintendo is dying, and those are two of my favorite games ever... them and MarioKart/StarFox for 64. I'd gladly buy a Wii to those old consoles, since emulators on computer just feel stupid. I'm also really hoping that someone makes a wireless original nintendo or N64 controller for the Wii... it'd be weird playing original nintendo games on a different controller. I think it'd pretty awesome to do a Sally dark ride themed to a nintendo shoot-em-up game or something, haha like Duck Hunt. Or maybe a robocoaster themed to the new Wii game, Project Hammer, or whatever its called.... or even a small dueling coaster or Star tours type MarioKart or StarFox themed ride. Nintendo has a ton of brands that could work well for parks, and like Cameron said, the Nintendo CEO is saying basically the same things as Shapiro. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 30 11:58:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37732 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k5UIfQ3w007532 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:41:26 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:41:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:41:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 18:41:26.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAE17370:01C69C74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=p3quA8kgOylpvfdB1AaACGlowqOQENoXStG6F728QqTDBrmc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > The WII is going to be very very overlooked here in America. Japan > likes stupid sh*t and > that's just what Wii looks like! Ok .. the cheap PS3 is going to be $500, that's $150 more than Xbox 360, and twice as much as Wii. What's more is that PS3 offers nothing more to the game experience than 360 does, so most people will not bother shelling out the additional cash. On top of that, developers dislike the Sony crap because the tools are total ass. Xbox (original and 360) have far better tools and development environment (meaning less money spent on development). The second PS3 looks like it's not doing well, the developers will shift their focus to 360. Once that happens you have less games, which means even less incentive for people to buy the stupid thing in the first place. Don't forget that the on-line experience on 360 will be so far ahead of PS3, and that's what people will care about (at present only about 10% of consoles are actually online, but the number is going up very quickly). The online experience of the original xbox was far better too, but online was not as important back then. Then we have the Wii, which is cheap to develop for (it's basically an over-clocked game-cube) and offers the best gaming experience of the lot. It'll take developers a while to make the best use out of the new technology, and it'll take people a while to get over the hideous d-pad + analogue stick + four buttons garbage; but Wii will be big, and its successor will be huge. For the price of the cheap PS3 you can buy two Wiis, for the price of the expensive PS3 you can get a Wii and a 360. At this point the PS3 looks more like an intelligence test .. meaning the people who buy one, don't have any! :) Remember, Nintendo aren't targeting the "harcore" gamers (teenage and college boys), they're targeting everyone else. That's a HUGE market. Add to that the fact that developing for PS3 and XBox is getting insanely expensive, the current Xbox 360 games retail for at least $60 (sony is hinting at an even higher price for PS3 games!). To be honest, the whole system is about to completely fall apart. It's basically where coin-op video games were in the mid-late 80s. The cost of development is so high that no-one wants to take risks, which means all the games are the same. We're in a total rut. It's evident by the fact that the number of hardcore gamers (ie: the only people who count) is not going up, but they are getting more and more hard-core .. which means there's a widening chasm between them and the normal people. Nintendo is targeting the normal people, and they're doing phenomenally well (the DS and I'd bet the Wii too). The only downside with the Wii is the name .. I will have serious issues walking into a store and inquiring about it by name. But maybe I just need to grow-up a bit! :) > Also a theme park w/ Mario Brothers would go over hella-well in > Japan, but not here in the > US. It's stupid to think that they would do something like that. Oh I'm sorry .. I didn't mean to imply that any park would do it, or even that any park *should* .. But I (personally) think it would be freaking awesome! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** There's no place * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** like 127.0.0.1 * / //\ ******************************************************************** \ >> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jun 30 12:18:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35219 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 19:12:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 21973 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2006 19:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 19:12:53 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-59.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.59] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FwOQ9-0007VP-H8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:12:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1502BD0D-4850-4FB0-9470-076CF3214497@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:16:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.59 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=SjPadS2DimdOcBkmhoWqyGPxjjD3_nBt7n0tzL4V5M-XNLxrzcdM X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Remember, Nintendo aren't targeting the "harcore" gamers (teenage and > college boys), they're targeting everyone else. That's a HUGE market. > Add to that the fact that developing for PS3 and XBox is getting > insanely expensive, the current Xbox 360 games retail for at least > $60 (sony is hinting at an even higher price for PS3 games!). > > To be honest, the whole system is about to completely fall apart. > It's basically where coin-op video games were in the mid-late 80s. > The cost of development is so high that no-one wants to take risks, > which means all the games are the same. We're in a total rut. It's > evident by the fact that the number of hardcore gamers (ie: the only > people who count) is not going up, but they are getting more and more > hard-core .. which means there's a widening chasm between them and > the normal people. Nintendo is targeting the normal people, and > they're doing phenomenally well (the DS and I'd bet the Wii too). Another good thing about the Wii is that, according to Nintendo ( http://wii.nintendo.com/hardware.html ), independent developers will be able to release their games through the Virtual Console. That sounds like it will let smaller developers release games at lower costs, or to allow larger companies to try smaller things without a huge risk. One thing that would be great, but I'm not sure about, is if it will also let regular developers patch bugs in the regular games. If you can do that, I'm sure a lot of developers would like the Wii much more, since that would save a ton of money in development/testing costs.... from the guys I've talked to, it really sucks how the game has to be *perfect* when it goes out since there is nothing you can do (other than recall) once it gets pressed. Mike From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Jun 30 13:12:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34730 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 19:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 19:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 19:53:10 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (239-128.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.128.239]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UIwbbJ023752 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c69c77$37c9c850$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <1151617851.745.11483.m41@yahoogroups.com> <44A516E4.70904@earthlink.net> <052301c69c4a$17f14a80$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:58:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM & Newhall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=Hu1qYGtPGZmRM2m-EVuvgl_wEQ-tIEv552kv4OyHgOazDki1h-Fe X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dig deeper, and you'll find out that Newhall Land was bought out in 2003. Check out www.lennar.com and their 2005 Annual Report. Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Hart To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM & Newhall >> Six Flags's annual SEC report identifies clearly which parks they own >> and which parks they lease. They own the land SFMM sits on. > > Thanks for the correction Bill, it's most appreciated. Now I'm just > wondering when they bought the land, or what my muddled up brain is > getting mixed up about. :) I think they've always OWNED the land it sits on. Many of the creators of SFMM were the same people who created the first SeaWorld in San Diego a few years before, which was on land leased from the city. But I think they realized their mistake about the leased land and bought it this time out. However, while they OWN it, they don't have 100% control over it outside the realm of being used as a theme park. This is much in the same way that anyone who has a house in a subdivision with a Home Owners Assoctiation and such, where they can put up a set of rules on what color your house can be, what kind of plants you can have, an approval process for any major work you might want to do to your house, etc. I think Newhall might have still had that Overlord level of master control over all of Valencia, but I think the park has always owned the land. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 30 13:12:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73117 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 20:00:09 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UIPuXe022371 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ff01c69c72$a1b9c8f0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=lNRbFAuVFEKMf3sZ1fl5diZR6M5_44GFv7louzb1Nd3-yNTW0iMnK433Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > But the last console cycle is over .. and the new one is looking very > grim from Sony and very lucrative for Nintendo. The Wee will be > huge .. almost certainly number 2 (behind XBOX) in the US, maybe even > number 1 (fingers crossed). Oh yeah, Wee will be number 1 by a huge > margin in Japan. While I can see the Wii being a big deal in Japan, I just don't see any reason the average american would be excited at all or even think about buying one. Nintendo has long lost their dominance in the US game market from years ago... they were last #1 way back before the Sega Genesis took it away from them. Then Playstation 1 took everyone by storm and Nintendo has been in distant third place ever since, long behind Playstation 2 and Xbox. Their only solid place in the US market really seems to be in the handheld market. I think the Wii is going to end up being the last Nintendo console we see in the US. From here, they'll end up sticking with handheld. From the odd old-skool looking simple controler to the big push about being able to download old games no one cares about... I just don't get the Wii. PS3 on the other hand... overpriced. XBOX 360 will dominate. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 30 13:37:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94462 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UKOOHB008666 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01b101c69c83$2e7adad0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:24:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Knoebels Flood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=U8eI5p47X1hzX1uau5VKsnaLdu7ZN7ImYsfsMhSYfWnXwYQfINxcIeqgOg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I don't know if I mentioned here earlier or not, but a Screamscape reader sent in a ton of great photos from inside Knobels while it was flooded that I posted today. Check it out. www.screamscape.com From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Jun 30 15:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10587 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.424.4e902bc (62952) for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <424.4e902bc.31d6fa2a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:05:30 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Cedar Fair, L.P. Completes Aquisition of the Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=1s96zDQ6uQwI2tBHk2hGGXPqnsxLnpKW39kiI-P1KIqM49FuKw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CEDAR FAIR, L.P. COMPLETES ACQUISITION OF THE PARAMOUNT PARKS SANDUSKY, OHIO, June 30, 2006 -- Cedar Fair, L.P. (NYSE: FUN), today announced that it has completed its acquisition of the Paramount Parks from CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS), in a cash transaction valued at approximately $1.24 billion. Cedar Fair will assume the complete operations and management of the parks immediately. =E2=80=9CThe completion of this acquisition is great news,=E2=80=9D said Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair=E2=80=99s chairman, president and chief executive officer. =E2=80=9CThe five Paramount properties are well-run, top-tier parks in good locations with the potential to do even better. The acquisition brings us access to new markets with attractive demographics, such as northern California, the Carolinas, Virginia / District of Columbia and Toronto. We now have a well-balanced portfolio of operations with four parks producing annual attendance over three million visitors each (Cedar Point, Kings Island, Knott=E2=80=99s Berry Farm and Canada=E2=80=99s Wonderland) and, on a proforma basis, no single park contributes more than 22% of revenues based on 2005 results. Our combined operations now include 12 amusement parks, five outdoor water parks, one indoor water park and six hotels, and will entertain approximately 25 million guests annually.=E2=80=9D The five Paramount Parks consist of Canada=E2=80=99s Wonderland near Toronto, Canada; Kings Island near Cincinnati, Ohio; Kings Dominion near Richmond, Virginia; Carowinds near Charlotte, North Carolina; and Great America located in Santa Clara, California. Kinzel added, =E2=80=9CCedar Fair=E2=80=99s employees as well as many employees from the Paramount Parks have a long history and strong reputation within the industry. They have demonstrated their ability to drive solid returns on investments and are ready and anxious to begin integrating these five great family-oriented parks with our current properties.=E2=80=9D Kinzel concluded by noting that the Partnership will issue an additional press release in the near future to provide updated 2006 earnings guidance, which will reflect the revenues and cash flow of the Paramount Parks from the date of the acquisition, and information on the Partnership=E2=80=99s long term financing. Cedar Fair=E2=80=99s other amusement parks are Cedar Point, located on Lake Erie between Cleveland and Toledo; Knott=E2=80=99s Berry Farm near Los Angeles in Buena Park, California; Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom near Allentown, Pennsylvania; Valleyfair near Minneapolis/Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesot located in Kansas City, Missouri; Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near Cleveland, Ohio; and Michigan=E2=80=99s Adventure near Muskegon, Michigan. The Partnership=E2=80=99s water parks are located near San Diego and in Palm Springs, California, and adjacent to Cedar Point, Knott=E2=80=99s Berry Farm and Worlds of Fun. Cedar Fair also owns and operates the Castaway Bay Indoor Waterpark Resort in Sandusky, Ohio. Cedar Fair=E2=80=99s flagship park, Cedar Point, has been voted the =E2=80=9CBest Amusement Park in the World=E2=80=9D for eight consecutive years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. Some of the statements contained in this news release constitute forward-looking statements. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such statements. Although the Partnership believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors, including general economic conditions, competition for consumer leisure time and spending, adverse weather conditions, unanticipated construction delays and other factors could affect attendance at our parks and cause actual results to differ materially from the Partnership=E2=80=99s expectations. In addition, risks and uncertainties concerning the acquisition include, but are not limited to the ability of the Partnership to combine the operations and take advantage of growth, savings and synergy opportunities. --- Press Release Source: Cedar Fair, L.P.=20=20 Check out cedarfair.com the parks are on the map and the Paramount's names are GONE! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Jun 30 16:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93660 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 96948 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060630222254.96946.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:22:54 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:22:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=3xx2drpLUTzYJ7LwWA4Pgpx-dZqqgO3N4ngrE4cVjNW1NX2w X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 (Sorry for changing this into Video Game Talk :)) In the intrest of full-disclosure, let me say that, I own a PS2 and a GC (had a GBA-sp but it got stolen). The next two systems I plan to buy are a DS-Lite (if they ever come out with another color than white) and a Wii. I'm still squishy on getting anything else because, quite frankly, none of the available/announced games interest me in the slightest (well, maybe Rumble Roses XX...but I never finished the first one). That being said, whatever system is home to Kingdom Hearts 3 (supposing there is one) will find itself in my living room =]. Oh and a "point of clarification" as used in gaming circles the term "mainstream gamer" also "casual gamer" is meant to imply the "non-hardcore gamer". Mainstreamers are the ones who latch onto the big titles like Madden and GTA and even Mario, but dont really get into the long titles like Xenosaga or cult classices like ICO. I agree that Nintendo is basically trying to sell games to people who dont play games. It's a bold move, and I wish them success. Time will tell if it was the *right* move. --- Cameron Silver wrote: > Hey, > > > The WII is going to be very very overlooked here > in America. Japan > > likes stupid sh*t and > > that's just what Wii looks like! > > Ok .. the cheap PS3 is going to be $500, that's $150 > more than Xbox > 360, and twice as much as Wii. What's more is that > PS3 offers nothing > more to the game experience than 360 does, so most > people will not > bother shelling out the additional cash. On top of > that, developers > dislike the Sony crap because the tools are total > ass. Xbox (original > and 360) have far better tools and development > environment (meaning > less money spent on development). The second PS3 > looks like it's not > doing well, the developers will shift their focus to > 360. Once that > happens you have less games, which means even less > incentive for > people to buy the stupid thing in the first place. The thing you have discounted though is this: Sony's installed fanbase. Look the "sticker shock" of the 600 price tag isnt the death nell that you think it is. This holiday season, every PS3 that is made will be sold. Did you see the markups people were paying on ebay for the 360? Now, will later after production is ramped up and people are able to walk in a buy a machine (360 is *just* getting to that point now) will that price matter? Perhaps. But again, dont forget the power of brand loyalty. Sony absolutely wiped the floor with everybody this generation. Even the suprior hardware of the Xbox and price undercut of the GC couldnt break them down. The back-catalouge will keep a ton of people from switching. They may wait a year, true, (unlike the XBOX, the PS2 is still being actively supported), but I'm not sure the 360 has that killer app that is going to draw people away from what they were quite happy with. > > Don't forget that the on-line experience on 360 will > be so far ahead > of PS3, and that's what people will care about (at > present only about > 10% of consoles are actually online, but the number > is going up very > quickly). The online experience of the original xbox > was far better > too, but online was not as important back then. Time will tell how important online really is. There is still (suprisingly) a significant number of households with no broadband connection. That dampens the impact of online-play. > > Then we have the Wii, which is cheap to develop for > (it's basically > an over-clocked game-cube) and offers the best > gaming experience of > the lot. It'll take developers a while to make the > best use out of > the new technology, and it'll take people a while to > get over the > hideous d-pad + analogue stick + four buttons > garbage; but Wii will > be big, and its successor will be huge. I think that nintendo is going to do a great job with introducing innovative ways to use the functionality of the controller. Am am *NOT* convinced that 3rd parties are going to do the same. Really, there can only be so many golfing/fishing/sword fighting sims out there. I question the committment of the 3rd parties to taking full advantage. Take EA for example, of course they are going to try and put Madden on every system this year. PS3 and 360 will use essentially the same code (obvious difference of course, but basically ports) but the Wii version will have to be its own animal in terms of graphical content as well as control. Not sure that they will be commited to that in future years. Nintendo as shown that it can be profitible relying main on just its own first party titles (actually Nintendo is the *one* one that *is* profitable) but as a market force, it *needs* to have 3rd party support to even take #2 in the US. > For the price of the cheap PS3 you can buy two Wiis, > for the price of > the expensive PS3 you can get a Wii and a 360. At > this point the PS3 > looks more like an intelligence test .. meaning the > people who buy > one, don't have any! :) Money is not an object. Again see last Christmas and the 360s on ebay. > > Remember, Nintendo aren't targeting the "harcore" > gamers (teenage and > college boys), they're targeting everyone else. > That's a HUGE market. Yes, but there is an inherent danger in marketing video games to people who dont play video games. Those people who like video games, but arent really the hardcore fan already have a PS2 in their house. I'd wager that they are more likely to get a PS3 and stick with their brand. As for the non-gamer, what *really* about the Wii is going to bring them in. I get to frantically pantomine waving my arms aroung like a fool play pictionary badly? AWESOME! I'd be willing to say that such a non-gamer has a better chance of getting a 360 and the Live Arcade than a Wii (or better yet, just stick to Pop Cap on the PC). Not to mention, Nintendo still has this "kiddie" image to deal with. Fanboys (like me) drool over the opportunity to duel with Gannon as Link, but where is the appeal to the non-gamer? They have a tough road ahead of them to even get these non-gamers to *try* a Wii, let alone buy one. > Add to that the fact that developing for PS3 and > XBox is getting > insanely expensive, the current Xbox 360 games > retail for at least > $60 (sony is hinting at an even higher price for PS3 > games!). I remember paying 70bucks for a copy of SFII on the Genesis. Prices are high, but not yet out of the market. > To be honest, the whole system is about to > completely fall apart. > It's basically where coin-op video games were in the > mid-late 80s. > The cost of development is so high that no-one wants > to take risks, > which means all the games are the same. We're in a > total rut. It's > evident by the fact that the number of hardcore > gamers (ie: the only > people who count) is not going up, but they are > getting more and more > hard-core .. which means there's a widening chasm > between them and > the normal people. I will say this, yes, games have gotten so complex that many people just leave it alone. I'll admitt that I'm about at an end with Madden because I just dont have the dexterity to manipulate all the buttons to make the guts do the really cool moves. I think my complexity topped out with Street Fighter II. Nintendo is targeting the normal > people, and > they're doing phenomenally well (the DS and I'd bet > the Wii too). The DS is doing well, IMO, because the gameboy did well before it. That installed base argument again. I think here in America, had the DS and PSP come out at the same time and the DS didnt have backwards comp, you might see a different story. (Even though I believe the Ds is the better value anyway). > The only downside with the Wii is the name .. I will > have serious > issues walking into a store and inquiring about it > by name. But maybe > I just need to grow-up a bit! :) why, Why, WHY didnt they just stick with REVOLOUTION? > > Also a theme park w/ Mario Brothers would go over > hella-well in > > Japan, but not here in the > > US. It's stupid to think that they would do > something like that. > > Oh I'm sorry .. I didn't mean to imply that any park > would do it, or > even that any park *should* .. But I (personally) > think it would be > freaking awesome! I *do*, however, recall a rumbling about Microsoft maketing the 360 in conjunction with SF parks (he is an owner right?). Somehow, I dont see Master Chief fitting in with Shapiro's plans =] (Wooho, I actually made an on-topic connection!) lata, jeremy --who really doesnt have much to say about the 360 other than they squanded their first-to-market-opportunity __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Fri Jun 30 16:48:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60534 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 23:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2006 23:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 23:42:33 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s10so237661wxc for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.4 with SMTP id w4mr1498616wxa; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.1 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:33 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060630031015.68414.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060630031015.68414.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=S-8Ftg9j_a2BWHfMSF-ykAcvvV-FjwRZdHhPP6vOZflazQfQEpZmn8g X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/29/06, Jeremy Norris wrote: >The justice League would be a good idea, but do kids >read comics anymore? Does the JL have a cartoon? Not anymore. There still might be some direct-to-video releases, but aside from "The Batman" and the upcoming "Legion of Superheroes" (both of which seem to be a vast step down from their predessors - not counting Superfriends), the various DC animated shows are now effectively dead. Justice League finished up it's 5th season a short while ago, and the other Superman, Batman, and Batman Beyond series have been gone for a while. However, Justice League was still pulling high ratings until it's demise, and the DVD boxsets have been selling well. The main reason it seems to be gone is due to the horrible mismanagement by Cartoon Network. Essentially, they Fox-ed it up so that they can lower themselves down to the preschool audience they're now targetting. That, and it's much cheaper to just import and dub anime than to continue producing good American animated shows. That said, I think a Superman darkride on the scale of Spiderman or DarKastle could go over well (though I'd be amazed if Six Flags could ever pull themselves to that level). While Justice League is mostly only surviving in comics (which I agree, now seems to be a mostly dead medium), Batman and Superman seem like they'll still be doing okay in the movies for a while. And a few others, such as Wonder Woman, might be able to catch up if their movies also do well. I'm just not sure if the Justice League, as a whole, is as recognizable as it could be. Now I've almost forgotten what we were talking about. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 30 19:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67024 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2006 02:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2006 02:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2006 02:12:19 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k612CI9l019307 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <045201c69cb3$c8534fe0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060630222254.96946.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:12:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QBoeaowa1W-jHJBNgs1NaTxiouZpejxe8TT6SVnyGwgYmzYElRZC9nwDFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I'm still squishy on getting anything else > because, quite frankly, none of the > available/announced games interest me in the slightest I suppose that's my problem with any Nintendo system these days. They just don't have games that interest me at all. I was done with Mario by the late 80s and has already evolved from Nintendo to Sega by then. I'm just old enough (35) to remember when there were no games and to remember when Pong first came out. My dad was an electrical engineer and into gadgets then so we had one. Then we had the first Atari... followed by Atari computers (a 400 & 800) and later an ST. Of course, I also had an Apple //e, which is where I guess i really started to play games on a computer instead of a game console. (Okay, the Atari machines had Star Raiders and a good PacMan at least...) My brother and I had the NES... and Super Nintendo and after that I switched to Sega Genesis and Turbo Graffix 16 systems. Then I went cold turkey on the console scene and only played PC games. The Sega Saturn looked lame... followed by the not well supported Dreamcast. Playstation was just an oddity at that point, because I just couldn't figure out the controler. To this day, I can't stand the Playstation controler... but for some reason the Xbox and Xbox 360 seems very comfortable... which is how I ended up getting back into gaming I guess. Sort of a mid-life crisis at 31 and the wife picked me up an Xbox for Christmas and I got hooked again. Now I can't even look at anything from Nintendo seriously... the games just don't interest me anymore I guess. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sat Jul 01 04:03:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18237 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2006 11:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2006 11:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.207) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2006 11:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 38088 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2006 11:03:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060701110333.38086.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:03:33 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:03:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <424.4e902bc.31d6fa2a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Fair, L.P. Completes Aquisition of the Paramount Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=u2mouAbVTxNvn_P_O40S-C3ZgrW13LwCl9cB6hYYFKQL3szs X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: In addition, risks > and > uncertainties concerning the acquisition include, > but > are not limited to the ability of the Partnership to > combine the operations and take advantage of > growth, > savings and synergy opportunities. Any time a meger/acquisition includes the word "synergy" I automatically think of AOL/Time Warner... Good luck Cedar Fair..dont mess up my dividends! lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sat Jul 01 04:17:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94707 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2006 11:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2006 11:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2006 11:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 87432 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2006 11:17:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060701111704.87430.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:17:04 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:17:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <045201c69cb3$c8534fe0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=MZhMM9lK0gCu1NrFsLkaO9cJa2rv8-dF9ScJ6a3n4GaMw2lT X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Lance Hart wrote: > Then I went cold turkey on the console scene and > only played PC games. > The Sega Saturn looked lame... followed by the not > well supported > Dreamcast. Playstation was just an oddity at that > point, because I > just couldn't figure out the controler. To this day, > I can't stand the > Playstation controler... but for some reason the > Xbox and Xbox 360 seems very comfortable... which is > how I > ended up getting back into gaming I guess. Sort of a > mid-life crisis > at 31 and the wife picked me up an Xbox for > Christmas and I got > hooked again. That's strange as I dont find the Xbox/PS2/GC controlers to be much different from each other. OTOH, the funky N64 stick swore me off that console before it even had a chance. Also, besides RTS games, I cant really get into the keyboard/mouse control system. Then again, I dont really like FPS games anyway, so that's why I'm a console gamer not a PC gamer (and why I'm not big on XBOX/360. > Now I can't even look at anything from Nintendo > seriously... the games > just don't interest me anymore I guess. Honestly, I bought my GC on the back of one game: The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess. It was annouced 2 Christmases ago and Circuit City had an amazing "Black Friday" deal with included the GC 3 sticks and Mario Kart: Double Dash for 90 bucks, so a jumped on it. Little did I know that LoZ:TP wouldn't come out till the *next* console was ready (though it will be playable on GC and Wii). Now my GC collects dust aside from Animal Crossing and the occasional free blockbuster rental coupon. Just about everything else I have for the GC, I could have gotten for PS2 (aside from LoZ:WindWaker) Seriously, only the Zelda series hold really appeal to me on Nintendo (well and that damn Animal Crossing again). And the cartoony WindWaker actually put me off of getting a GC (fun game though..) But like I said before, Nintendo has that "kiddie" image to deal with. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Jul 03 09:27:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20073 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2006 16:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2006 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2006 16:22:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 19827 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jul 2006 16:21:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060703162158.19825.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 3 Jul 2006 11:21:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.149.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Off Topic: Re: (WAS!) More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=WKzAoPAZqcaYDZoGVDbmT4Wr2oulfs-yjBBL-h18GBmecKZ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I'll take a PS2 any day. It is the only computer that will do a good job of running OS2 (anyone remember that system?). (And yes I know you are talking about game consoles, not computers and operating systems.) Seriously, people, when you get off topic, at least change the subject. > > (Sorry for changing this into Video Game Talk :)) > > In the intrest of full-disclosure, let me say that, I > own a PS2 and a GC (had a GBA-sp but it got stolen). > The next two systems I plan to buy are a DS-Lite (if > they ever come out with another color than white) and > a Wii. I'm still squishy on getting anything else > > I *do*, however, recall a rumbling about Microsoft > maketing the 360 in conjunction with SF parks (he is > an owner right?). Somehow, I dont see Master Chief > fitting in with Shapiro's plans =] (Wooho, I actually > made an on-topic connection!) > lata, jeremy > --who really doesnt have much to say about the 360 > other than they squanded their first-to-market-opportunity > Dave Rounds From rablat5@juno.com Mon Jul 03 09:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21333 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2006 16:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2006 16:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2006 16:08:58 -0000 Received: from webmail23.nyc.untd.com (webmail23.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.163]) by smtpout05.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLURTKA56HNTA for (sender ); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail23.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUC8P5QK; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 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[RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=8_7gQ_fgJYB8OJZUP8MAiMORhVusPxGDG5OTtJz3bN4yqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jeremy--still on this list, too? I know I hardly ever contribute on here anymore, but here goes :) Personally, I'm not much into video games anymore, but I used to be into them a fair amount. I was a Nintendo faithful for years, and the main reason I bought a PS2 was because of Gran Turismo 4--I would have bought a GC if they had that game. But, anyway, I hope Nintendo does well with the Wii. One of the things that annoys me about the newer gaming consoles and games these days is the complexity of the controls and such. I'd just like to be able to pick up a game and play it--not have to spend 1/2 hour trying to just learn the controls. The Wii has an interesting and unique controller that I hope is successful. One main drawback is that you need batteries, but at least it's wireless. I hope it's as good as they make it sound. -- Jeremy Norris wrote: (Sorry for changing this into Video Game Talk :)) In the intrest of full-disclosure, let me say that, I own a PS2 and a GC (had a GBA-sp but it got stolen). The next two systems I plan to buy are a DS-Lite (if they ever come out with another color than white) and a Wii. I'm still squishy on getting anything else because, quite frankly, none of the available/announced games interest me in the slightest (well, maybe Rumble Roses XX...but I never finished the first one). That being said, whatever system is home to Kingdom Hearts 3 (supposing there is one) will find itself in my living room =]. Oh and a "point of clarification" as used in gaming circles the term "mainstream gamer" also "casual gamer" is meant to imply the "non-hardcore gamer". Mainstreamers are the ones who latch onto the big titles like Madden and GTA and even Mario, but dont really get into the long titles like Xenosaga or cult classices like ICO. I agree that Nintendo is basically trying to sell games to people who dont play games. It's a bold move, and I wish them success. Time will tell if it was the *right* move. --- Cameron Silver wrote: > Hey, > > > The WII is going to be very very overlooked here > in America. Japan > > likes stupid sh*t and > > that's just what Wii looks like! > > Ok .. the cheap PS3 is going to be $500, that's $150 > more than Xbox > 360, and twice as much as Wii. What's more is that > PS3 offers nothing > more to the game experience than 360 does, so most > people will not > bother shelling out the additional cash. On top of > that, developers > dislike the Sony crap because the tools are total > ass. Xbox (original > and 360) have far better tools and development > environment (meaning > less money spent on development). The second PS3 > looks like it's not > doing well, the developers will shift their focus to > 360. Once that > happens you have less games, which means even less > incentive for > people to buy the stupid thing in the first place. The thing you have discounted though is this: Sony's installed fanbase. Look the "sticker shock" of the 600 price tag isnt the death nell that you think it is. This holiday season, every PS3 that is made will be sold. Did you see the markups people were paying on ebay for the 360? Now, will later after production is ramped up and people are able to walk in a buy a machine (360 is *just* getting to that point now) will that price matter? Perhaps. But again, dont forget the power of brand loyalty. Sony absolutely wiped the floor with everybody this generation. Even the suprior hardware of the Xbox and price undercut of the GC couldnt break them down. The back-catalouge will keep a ton of people from switching. They may wait a year, true, (unlike the XBOX, the PS2 is still being actively supported), but I'm not sure the 360 has that killer app that is going to draw people away from what they were quite happy with. > > Don't forget that the on-line experience on 360 will > be so far ahead > of PS3, and that's what people will care about (at > present only about > 10% of consoles are actually online, but the number > is going up very > quickly). The online experience of the original xbox > was far better > too, but online was not as important back then. Time will tell how important online really is. There is still (suprisingly) a significant number of households with no broadband connection. That dampens the impact of online-play. > > Then we have the Wii, which is cheap to develop for > (it's basically > an over-clocked game-cube) and offers the best > gaming experience of > the lot. It'll take developers a while to make the > best use out of > the new technology, and it'll take people a while to > get over the > hideous d-pad + analogue stick + four buttons > garbage; but Wii will > be big, and its successor will be huge. I think that nintendo is going to do a great job with introducing innovative ways to use the functionality of the controller. Am am *NOT* convinced that 3rd parties are going to do the same. Really, there can only be so many golfing/fishing/sword fighting sims out there. I question the committment of the 3rd parties to taking full advantage. Take EA for example, of course they are going to try and put Madden on every system this year. PS3 and 360 will use essentially the same code (obvious difference of course, but basically ports) but the Wii version will have to be its own animal in terms of graphical content as well as control. Not sure that they will be commited to that in future years. Nintendo as shown that it can be profitible relying main on just its own first party titles (actually Nintendo is the *one* one that *is* profitable) but as a market force, it *needs* to have 3rd party support to even take #2 in the US. > For the price of the cheap PS3 you can buy two Wiis, > for the price of > the expensive PS3 you can get a Wii and a 360. At > this point the PS3 > looks more like an intelligence test .. meaning the > people who buy > one, don't have any! :) Money is not an object. Again see last Christmas and the 360s on ebay. > > Remember, Nintendo aren't targeting the "harcore" > gamers (teenage and > college boys), they're targeting everyone else. > That's a HUGE market. Yes, but there is an inherent danger in marketing video games to people who dont play video games. Those people who like video games, but arent really the hardcore fan already have a PS2 in their house. I'd wager that they are more likely to get a PS3 and stick with their brand. As for the non-gamer, what *really* about the Wii is going to bring them in. I get to frantically pantomine waving my arms aroung like a fool play pictionary badly? AWESOME! I'd be willing to say that such a non-gamer has a better chance of getting a 360 and the Live Arcade than a Wii (or better yet, just stick to Pop Cap on the PC). Not to mention, Nintendo still has this "kiddie" image to deal with. Fanboys (like me) drool over the opportunity to duel with Gannon as Link, but where is the appeal to the non-gamer? They have a tough road ahead of them to even get these non-gamers to *try* a Wii, let alone buy one. > Add to that the fact that developing for PS3 and > XBox is getting > insanely expensive, the current Xbox 360 games > retail for at least > $60 (sony is hinting at an even higher price for PS3 > games!). I remember paying 70bucks for a copy of SFII on the Genesis. Prices are high, but not yet out of the market. > To be honest, the whole system is about to > completely fall apart. > It's basically where coin-op video games were in the > mid-late 80s. > The cost of development is so high that no-one wants > to take risks, > which means all the games are the same. We're in a > total rut. It's > evident by the fact that the number of hardcore > gamers (ie: the only > people who count) is not going up, but they are > getting more and more > hard-core .. which means there's a widening chasm > between them and > the normal people. I will say this, yes, games have gotten so complex that many people just leave it alone. I'll admitt that I'm about at an end with Madden because I just dont have the dexterity to manipulate all the buttons to make the guts do the really cool moves. I think my complexity topped out with Street Fighter II. Nintendo is targeting the normal > people, and > they're doing phenomenally well (the DS and I'd bet > the Wii too). The DS is doing well, IMO, because the gameboy did well before it. That installed base argument again. I think here in America, had the DS and PSP come out at the same time and the DS didnt have backwards comp, you might see a different story. (Even though I believe the Ds is the better value anyway). > The only downside with the Wii is the name .. I will > have serious > issues walking into a store and inquiring about it > by name. But maybe > I just need to grow-up a bit! :) why, Why, WHY didnt they just stick with REVOLOUTION? > > Also a theme park w/ Mario Brothers would go over > hella-well in > > Japan, but not here in the > > US. It's stupid to think that they would do > something like that. > > Oh I'm sorry .. I didn't mean to imply that any park > would do it, or > even that any park *should* .. But I (personally) > think it would be > freaking awesome! I *do*, however, recall a rumbling about Microsoft maketing the 360 in conjunction with SF parks (he is an owner right?). Somehow, I dont see Master Chief fitting in with Shapiro's plans =] (Wooho, I actually made an on-topic connection!) lata, jeremy --who really doesnt have much to say about the 360 other than they squanded their first-to-market-opportunity __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 03 14:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17820 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2006 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2006 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2006 21:31:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 45517 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2006 21:31:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060703213142.45515.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.10.116] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:31:42 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Hawk astounds Flaggers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=arue5TO4vc-bSTODrN290bp536ExRpsXlNueHJgplUUt3o9XGR2P X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hawk and company drew 4500 people to Six Flags New England this past w= eekend. Our local paper ran some great photos, too. > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1151912472264730.xm= l?nnae < =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jul 04 09:23:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7304 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 16:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2006 16:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 16:22:45 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (239-128.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.128.239]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k64GMMPQ003974 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c69f86$0a997120$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=pKbrDAPUgZu1FUqe_kNbyPPH3YGtD7jrpvcHzw0vIUzNhXxmSZ7e X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was watching the live video feed from CP, and began becoming curious why they seem to be one of the few parks in the world that hasn't taken the ride out? Now, I know the obvious comes to mind, but am curious what others think. I think theirs is just taken care of, and as weathered all these years, but then I come to think about Disneyland, and the ride went right through the Matterhorn. Happy 4th Everyone, Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jul 04 09:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1481 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 16:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2006 16:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hu-out-0102.google.com) (72.14.214.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 16:43:04 -0000 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 34so983507hue for ; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.80.1 with SMTP id d1mr7770700wxb; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i10sm6158858wxd.2006.07.04.09.41.57; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:41:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcafiBMDh+cFhB5SQ7irhQLLJbvjWQAAJsBg In-Reply-To: <000601c69f86$0a997120$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Message-ID: <44aa9a56.10e5ad3b.4dbb.ffff9c8d@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.214.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: RE: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=JedVFxdwlINCazF5SlT5COziF5lXd7QfkXcxZEwhbOUy4SU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To add to this question, do they have seat belts on this ride? Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 04 10:53:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78025 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 17:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2006 17:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 17:44:30 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k64H1T4K016836 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fe01c69f8b$850f49c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c69f86$0a997120$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:01:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0zAEjaIa-_NhUEoHvPkI56fn5FUIfBPkc30cDflFzG0VNyxkf69gLn4WiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "THUNDER7NYFL" To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS >I was watching the live video feed from CP, and began becoming curious why >they seem to be one of the few parks in the world that hasn't taken the >ride out? > Now, I know the obvious comes to mind, but am curious what others think. > I think theirs is just taken care of, and as weathered all these years, > but then I come > to think about Disneyland, and the ride went right through the Matterhorn. Disney had their own reasons for taking their SkyRides out I believe. Disneyland's removal had several reasons apparently. 1) The lines were always huge... so it's low capacity was one reason. 2) If they tried to upgrade it in any way, they would have had to make it ADA compliant, which would have been very costly. 3) Staffing... SkyRides needs lots of staff to run for such a low capacity attraction. They were opening the Indiana Jones ride which was going to be one of the top capacity rides in the park that year, so they could close the Skyride and move all those staffing spots to Indiana Jones more effectively. Disney World on the other hand... they've got reason #1 and #2 to fall back on, but right before it closed they had an employee death within a few months before it closed as well. A non ride employee was sweeping in front of the Fantasyland station when they launched a test car, he paniced and grabbed hold of it as it ran him over and was carried out over Fantasyland (just before the park opened, though it may have been a magic morning day) until he couldn't hold on any longer and fell to the pathway below. Other notable closures... Six Flags Magic Mountain used to have a ride with two paths. The first one closed years ago when they expanded the side of the park near Batman (way before batman, back when they had a train back there) and the second side from the top of the mountain used to run to the base of Superman and I believe it closed to make room for the Superman: The Escape tower. Now there are still quite a few SkyRides running around the country... many of which at Busch Parks. Busch Gardens Tampa Busch Gardens Williamsburg and SeaWorld San Diego. From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Tue Jul 04 16:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95071 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 23:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2006 23:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.145) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 23:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 88092 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2006 23:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060704234011.88088.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:40:11 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00fe01c69f8b$850f49c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=JbA14RmiqD_v07JU6DlC7JP4jPHFumoV5td0YkhgWd4cuSO3b_Xy4zhx X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance Hart wrote: Now there are still quite a few SkyRides running around the country... many of which at Busch Parks. Busch Gardens Tampa Busch Gardens Williamsburg and SeaWorld San Diego. Add these to that list (off the top of my head...) Adventureland-Iowa Hersheypark (modified-smaller than it used to be) Indiana Beach Waldameer Park Camden Park (they might have removed it recently) Six Flags over Georgia Texas State Fair Six Flags New England Lake Winnie Flamingoland There are still quite a few left around... -Bryan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 04 18:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52741 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 01:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 01:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 01:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 01:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060705011659.6102.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.13.229] by web53110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:16:59 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:16:59 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=FXnhf9jDk3AoR3EMsPUzskLU-64wMVvVVYClS-s0Q49o5S3j6bOa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CP's sky ride is attractively placed on the midway. The south station sits= on top of a gift shop, and so doesn't really take up much real estate. Pe= ople-movers fit in well with a "family" park. And after a long day walking= around the Point, the sky ride is a great relief, a way to get back to the= front gate without a lot of walking. From Frontier Town, one can take the= train to the Millennium Force entrance, and then hop on the Sky Ride from = there. And to answer Adam, when I was there last year there were no seat belts. T= he cab was locked by the operators. Look at this photo of the cabs: > http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/rides/tranquil/sky_ride.cfm < It would take a lot of effort and determination to fall out of that ride. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jul 04 21:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98855 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 04:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 04:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.82) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 04:32:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 45483 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 04:31:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20060705043149.45481.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.142.137.153] by web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:31:49 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:31:49 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk In-Reply-To: <1152032599.465.34831.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: CP's Skyride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=3nQTK9a3ScP6zYE9vZkCmircSzhpMnCLWLQnTiedXMHgwqlP_jSI X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Horsey-Pole Wrote: To add to this question, do they have seat belts on this ride? Adam No they do not. You just sit down, one guy closes the door, passes the car on to the next guy who locks it. When you reach the other station, the att. unlocks the door there. I think it would be impossible to have seatbelts as it would make the operation too slow. Remember that the entire system is in essence one giant chain. Every single car stops each time the ride is stopped. There is some slack in the system when the cars come off the cable for loading and unloading, but they have to be put back on before the next car arrives or the system has to be stopped. Stopping the entire ride for every idiot who cant figure out thier seatbelt would make the journey accross the park take 15 minutes. I was thinking "All it will take is one accident" but I guess Knoebels still operates their skyride after their accident. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Jul 05 05:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31694 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 11:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 11:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 11:55:54 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so807351wxd for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.17 with SMTP id 17mr8909241wxz; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h8sm7078218wxd.2006.07.05.04.52.50; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:52:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:52:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <20060705011659.6102.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acaf0NFK8fhmz3PaQ2yBhwFjPycE7gAUUc+w Message-ID: <44aba813.543ceba6.6f71.ffffab46@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=iGc1lg2iACMcwrpLgDDQuORUN87NVaPr9K6AQr_72mDAHqY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >And to answer Adam, when I was there last year there were no seat belts. The cab was locked by the operators. It would take a lot of effort and determination > to fall out of that ride. True, but CF (overzealously) puts seat belts on almost everything else, I wonder how they justify having seat belts on a Ferris wheel or kiddie ride but none here. Adam _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 05:30:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13961 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 12:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 12:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42202.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 12:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 96546 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 12:16:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060705121630.96544.qmail@web42202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:16:30 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:16:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060703213142.45515.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hawk astounds Flaggers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=QKXE38Z1wTsHpgBrPG2plAFZFKjtudDejVJXEoYKz4W0U0yD X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Jay Ducharme wrote: > Tony Hawk and company drew 4500 people to Six Flags > New England this past weekend. Our local paper ran > some great photos, too. Yeah, it was a really good show. I've watched skating off and on for years. I even remember when Tony Howk first invented the "McTwist". But I'd never seen a show live before so this was a new experience for me. One of the Moto-X dudes did a backflip between the jump ramp which made me nervous just looking at it. But the crowd really enjoyed it. One thing that caught me off guard was the frequent use of the "metal sign" (aka devil horns, aka Texas Longhorns "hook 'em" sign). I thought the skater culture was more in tune with punk rock rather than metal. Geez, am I really an out-of-touch old geezer? lata, jeremy --yes, that's right, I was @ SFNE this weekend. Will there be a TR? (that's called a tease =]) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 05:33:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48510 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 12:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 12:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 12:19:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 38514 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 12:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060705121836.38512.qmail@web42209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:18:36 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060704234011.88088.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=b8Jl6j3nvcsGCOkXebD1nxI75p6GHV_her6qKtEubS1NHmra X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Bryan Wood wrote: > Lance Hart wrote: > > > Now there are still quite a few SkyRides running > around the country... many > of which at Busch Parks. > Busch Gardens Tampa > Busch Gardens Williamsburg > and SeaWorld San Diego. > > > > Add these to that list (off the top of my head...) > Adventureland-Iowa > Hersheypark (modified-smaller than it used to be) > Indiana Beach > Waldameer Park > Camden Park (they might have removed it recently) > Six Flags over Georgia > Texas State Fair > Six Flags New England > Lake Winnie > Flamingoland > There are still quite a few left around... and SF Great Adventure Wisconsin State Fair Lake Compounce (yep, went there too....) jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 05 12:12:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34147 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 19:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 19:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 19:07:43 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (239-128.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.128.239]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k65IHEKp011488 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6a05f$41ec99c0$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:17:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=h14neW5vzQqGbEbtrrpIbpvcM_uP962au2yP_11H_zLG5ZBx1wi7 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags amusement park may have sparked a shooting just outside the park that left three people wounded. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up on it also. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jul 05 12:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86276 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 19:17:21 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k65JH9Xu018182 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01fc01c6a067$a43ffb50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000801c6a05f$41ec99c0$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:17:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mwQL8YFUlzGTpivlFddCYDbqI6Bgwn0Fl02RhniO2OFvLXqOryZupoAN2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Just sad stuff, but at least no one was killed and all are expected to recover. ----- Original Message ----- From: "THUNDER7NYFL" To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia > COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags amusement park may have > sparked a shooting just outside the park that left three people wounded. > http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html > > This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up on it also. > > > > Joe > > Tampa, FL > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Jul 05 12:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90260 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-47.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.16) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 19:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23371 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 19:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 19:19:13 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FyCu1-0007No-11 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:19:13 -0600 In-Reply-To: <000801c6a05f$41ec99c0$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> References: <000801c6a05f$41ec99c0$ef807f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <46AB78E4-2424-48CF-B257-552901A45BC4@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:23:35 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=o3L1smVf1Xj3dbj0p-aSLPjmVzux-tR4lIUliShd5JsuCFbSpz0q X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags amusement park may have > sparked a shooting just outside the park that left three people > wounded. > http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html > > This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up on it also. > > Joe > > Tampa, FL > Do they have metal detectors at this park? I know they have them at SFMM and SFGAd, I figured they'd have them at all the parks. Either way, not good news for SF... getting shot is not very family friendly. Mike From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 13:04:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19221 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 20:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 20:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42206.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 20:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 27089 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 20:03:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060705200334.27087.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:03:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:03:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <46AB78E4-2424-48CF-B257-552901A45BC4@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=8vvZeBD0ygnZtHQm9nRtjuD8Hmfd98ZcDOc16A3KcowJ9zAY X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Mike wrote: > > COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags > amusement park may have > > sparked a shooting just outside the park that left > three people > > wounded. > > http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html > > > > This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up > on it also. > > Do they have metal detectors at this park? I know > they have them at > SFMM and SFGAd, I figured they'd have them at all > the parks. > > Either way, not good news for SF... getting shot is > not very family > friendly. But Mike, this happened outside of the park so a metal detector wouldnt help one way or the other. What really pisses me off is that these punk kids cant even shoot straight. I'm generally against guns, and using guns to solve your problems but it's doubly messed up when people get shot that had nothing to do with anything! lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jul 05 13:06:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82030 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 20:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 20:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 20:05:56 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FyDd4-0004Wx-6a for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44AC1B9A.5030107@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:05:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781dbd447b997114ede729f5f812cb51fd60bcc144d23ece94350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: MISC: If you received an email from Warlockgirl about ghosts at carnivals... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5Mu_tT8jCYmD8JhAWQmug35G05Z2c0MD5rDyjqcLoJ_OqSw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I know that several of you have received an email from a warlockgirl13 on Yahoo that may have looked a bit odd. If you're wondering, I attached a copy of it below. Just wanted to reassure all of you that I have taken steps to take care of it, and that they've been removed from the list so that they can't harvest any more email addresses. I don't know how widespread it was, but wanted to make sure that everyone that received a note from her knows that she's been taken care of. George > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *April skutt > *Date: *July 5, 2006 1:28:26 PM EDT > *Subject: Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there has ever heard of > a haunted carnival ride? > * > I've heard of people getting killed while riding any carnival > rides? If so, do any of you believe in ghosts? I've heard many > ghost stories involving carnival rides. I've heard many ghost > stories involving deaths on the rides and that person's ghost has > stayed with that particular ride from that point on. If any of you > feel like sharing any ghost stories involving amusement park > hauntings or carnival ride hauntings, please email me. > > April. > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Jul 05 13:13:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 20:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 20:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 20:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15209 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 20:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 20:13:03 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FyDk6-0004gG-QG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:13:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060705200334.27087.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060705200334.27087.qmail@web42206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:17:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=3gmQtJLzORkfYtF8gsHQcFt2STcCAB-6WhhUyLEY4TqVCotlZSNW X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags >> amusement park may have >>> sparked a shooting just outside the park that left >> three people >>> wounded. >>> http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html >>> >>> This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up >> on it also. >> >> Do they have metal detectors at this park? I know >> they have them at >> SFMM and SFGAd, I figured they'd have them at all >> the parks. >> >> Either way, not good news for SF... getting shot is >> not very family >> friendly. > > But Mike, this happened outside of the park so a metal > detector wouldnt help one way or the other. That is an excellent point... I think I need to brush up on my reading skills, I totally missed the 'just outside the park' part. Mike From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 05 15:13:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2666 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 21:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2006 21:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 21:43:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2006 21:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2006 21:43:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:43:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46AB78E4-2424-48CF-B257-552901A45BC4@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: News: Three Shot Outside Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=0iqx1Kcecu7S9smcBjdA3I9qZ1rbNn9pqBGekDgnZBFectGC3g X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike wrote: > > > COBB COUNTY -- A fight inside the Six Flags amusement park may have = =20 > > sparked a shooting just outside the park that left three people=20=20 > > wounded. > > http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9468509/detail.html > > > > This is the link to the story, and Lance picked up on it also. > > > > Joe > > > > Tampa, FL > > >=20 > Do they have metal detectors at this park? I know they have them at=20=20 > SFMM and SFGAd, I figured they'd have them at all the parks. >=20 > Either way, not good news for SF... getting shot is not very family=20=20 > friendly. >=20 > Mike Damn, that sucks. That park never seemed *family friendly* in the first place, but it defenit= ly doesn't now=20 taking into consideration the shootin' that went on outside the park! I guess that's three less GIANT STUFFED STEWIE GRIFFINS they didn't giveawa= y that day. I'm sure the Media will put more emphasis in it being outside of the amusem= ent park, then=20 the cause itself... or blame it on Amusement Parks instead of the parents w= ho drop their=20 kids off there like it's a Daycare. oh well jeremy D From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 05 18:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16800 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 01:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 01:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 01:50:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 76001 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 01:49:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706014930.75999.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.232.148] by web53106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:49:30 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:49:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: CP's Skyride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=G_pmnUAVR31ESubUDIpOCpDP6hDLBTDh1hBBi5_zN2BvNrOUxFP2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I guess Knoebels still operates their skyride after their accident. < What accident was that? I really like Knoebel's skyride. I'm amazed it was allowed to go over the highway. That's the most unnerving part of the trip for me. The Lake Compounce Sky Ride is spectacular. Insane capacity. It looks like it was made by the same company that made the Kennywood skyride that travels from their upper parking lot to their ticket booths. Great Escape and Canobie Lake still have their old Hopkins skyrides as well. Jay --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From larryflennoy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 09:45:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: larryflennoy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47290 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.138) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 16:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 59499 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 16:43:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.194.220.193] by web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:43:37 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060706014930.75999.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.124.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Larry Flennoy Subject: Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220624339; y=95VNqhXFz7Mnw-MI3qOhIPDyTFVxHwn0gmqXTiYrgzXt6LGJcTL2 X-Yahoo-Profile: larryflennoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all of you! Here is my Six Flags Great America, (Grunee, IL) vide= o from last week. I hope you all enjoy. I had a fun time there. =20=20=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D493jaqZupW0 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 09:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9562 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51115.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40300 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 16:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706164555.40298.qmail@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.166.215.24] by web51115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:45:55 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: NEWS: DelGrosso's purchases Libertyland's Revolution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=_TFKhRluvTFenduSbGtm2eShl4ICKz71-Rsum0_dVCjdKuLZSY4LA76u X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to RCDB, DelGrosso's purchased Libertyland's Revolution (Arrow Lo= op & Corkscrew). Norton Auctioneers had posted on their website that a "Pen= nsylvania" buyer had purchased the ride. DelGrosso's seemed to be the most = logical guess, and in the end, it was. You certainly can't blame them for buying this ride for $55,000. It will pr= omote itself nicely in Central PA. From the looks of it, DelGrosso's is a n= ice place, and a trip will be in order for me next season. I suspected they= might go for a mid-sized wooden coaster to fit with their traditional atmo= sphere, but they came along a 3-inversion ride for cheap. It looks like thi= s will become their signature ride. -Bryan =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From larryflennoy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 10:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: larryflennoy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68220 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 17:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 17:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.138) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 17:05:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 68202 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 17:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706170516.68200.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.194.220.193] by web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:05:16 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.124.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Larry Flennoy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220624339; y=6y27wgPim5-TZlqpSWzMA-t13bqPe0enk98zR7YPmPxSQCm8EPnH X-Yahoo-Profile: larryflennoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit las. I went to Cedar Point last year, and I will be going again this year. I had a great time there riding the costers and filming. I hope the new coaster will be ready by 2007 they are constructing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymk1U8AgU5E __,_.I went_,___ --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 06 12:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41713 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k66J8pSn007328 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:08:51 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:08:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:08:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2006 19:08:51.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E55B630:01C6A12F] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Ajk3ve3FsiNRKZp-EfxGIvxF5msYnlTf2_Yg42lhdHx23SWH X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Larry, Interesting video .. Word of caution though .. the parks monitor sites looking for people=20=20 who take on-ride photos and video, and and have been known to cancel=20=20 season passes and such. Unless you have written permission from the=20=20 park to film on-ride, I'd advise against using such footage in public=20=20 videos. Cameron. On Jul 6, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Larry Flennoy wrote: > Hello to all of you! Here is my Six Flags Great America, (Grunee,=20=20 > IL) video from last week. I hope you all enjoy. I had a fun time=20=20 > there. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D493jaqZupW0 > > > > >=20=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone=20=20 > call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------=20 > ~--> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email=20=20 > design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From larryflennoy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 12:41:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: larryflennoy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32969 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 19:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 19:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.129) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 19:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 81129 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 19:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706194011.81127.qmail@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.194.220.193] by web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:40:11 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:40:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.124.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Larry Flennoy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220624339; y=bfIlT86p-6usQPfWRc0-NUx2XeGYfxYvYf71_wN8FLM8Z7sHSw1D X-Yahoo-Profile: larryflennoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really, I did not know that. You should SEE the youtube.com site. It's lo= aded with video from rides all over the country, X roller coaster at Six Fl= ags magic Mountain, All of Cedar Points, someone even has the new El Toro r= ide from the Front car. AWESOME! I better pass that information on to my = youtube buddies and let them know. On youtube, you just type roller coaset= er or Six flags or the name of the coaster, and BAM, all these rides pop up= . incredible. And Again, thanks for the tip. =20=20=20 Nice to meet all of you! Cameron Silver wrote: =20=20 Hi Larry, Interesting video .. Word of caution though .. the parks monitor sites looking for people=20 who take on-ride photos and video, and and have been known to cancel=20 season passes and such. Unless you have written permission from the=20 park to film on-ride, I'd advise against using such footage in public=20 videos. Cameron. On Jul 6, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Larry Flennoy wrote: > Hello to all of you! Here is my Six Flags Great America, (Grunee,=20 > IL) video from last week. I hope you all enjoy. I had a fun time=20 > there. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D493jaqZupW0 > > > > >=20 > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone=20 > call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------=20 > ~--> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email=20 > design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jul 06 14:00:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96253 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k66Krrrj026761 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:54:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ZB_FG2-PmcyTp39_5YtrxTkEX-DU4M_rkeTmQtNGhS8KAT3-VvDSdE4GLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance That is the strangest thing I've ever heard. Since when can a park cancel your season pass for putting your own video on the internet? In general, if you shot a video... it is yours to do with as you please. The only exceptions to this can come from individuals who are clearly identified in the video who may have not sign a wavier of some kind to give you permission to use them in the video, but in the case of general crowds, park footage and all that, that particular item shouldn't be a problem. That said... it really doesn't matter what a park's policy about on-ride photography is, because unless you catch the photographer in the act, there isn't anything they can do. Even then, all that can do is ask that you stop, or tell you to put your camera in a locker before they let you ride. Afterwards, the footage is yours to do with as you please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Silver" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America Hi Larry, Interesting video .. Word of caution though .. the parks monitor sites looking for people who take on-ride photos and video, and and have been known to cancel season passes and such. Unless you have written permission from the park to film on-ride, I'd advise against using such footage in public videos. Cameron. On Jul 6, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Larry Flennoy wrote: > Hello to all of you! Here is my Six Flags Great America, (Grunee, > IL) video from last week. I hope you all enjoy. I had a fun time > there. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493jaqZupW0 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email > design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! Groups Links From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 06 14:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86664 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 21:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 21:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 21:23:01 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so2303633ugf for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr1203178ugj; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:22:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cw1wJkH8n6JI-NdPDZAdvNqTip0xtlToJfLZACcPC1LM7yk3Zu7GTRM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > That is the strangest thing I've ever heard. > Since when can a park cancel your season pass for putting your own video on > the internet? Since cameras, cell phones, and other objects riders have carried on to coasters have flown loose and hit other riders in the face, causing millions of damage in lawsuits against Six Flags and other companies. > That said... it really doesn't matter what a park's policy about on-ride > photography is, because > unless you catch the photographer in the act, there isn't anything they can > do. That's not true. A park can - and will - yank your season pass for shooting on-ride video on their coasters (and even for posting on-ride video online). If they catch it in the park, you better believe you can be escorted out of the park with no refund on the day's ticket or on your season pass. Folks, just don't shoot on-ride video. It's not worth the risk to yourself or to others. Just enjoy the ride without having to worry about how you're going to sneak a camera on and prevent it from injuring fellow riders. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 06 14:38:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89801 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 21:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k66LYZ1J016011 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:34:35 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:34:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89023A10-40D6-4F1E-B986-4296196BA2BD@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:34:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2006 21:34:35.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA11F740:01C6A143] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ltuObnZxeQjMwLCrKCnCP1q_dZ6iULb3r92t13et-ydN66Y0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Lance, If you're not permitted to take cameras on rides, but you film=20=20 yourself doing so .. then they can totally cancel your pass because=20=20 you broke the contract (to obey all rules). Cameron. On Jul 6, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Lance Hart wrote: > That is the strangest thing I've ever heard. > Since when can a park cancel your season pass for putting your own=20=20 > video on > the internet? > In general, if you shot a video... it is yours to do with as you=20=20 > please. > The only exceptions to this can come from individuals who are clearly > identified in the video > who may have not sign a wavier of some kind to give you permission=20=20 > to use > them in the video, > but in the case of general crowds, park footage and all that, that > particular item shouldn't > be a problem. > > That said... it really doesn't matter what a park's policy about on-=20 > ride > photography is, because > unless you catch the photographer in the act, there isn't anything=20=20 > they can > do. Even then, all that > can do is ask that you stop, or tell you to put your camera in a=20=20 > locker > before they let you ride. > Afterwards, the footage is yours to do with as you please. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Silver" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America > > > > Hi Larry, > > Interesting video .. > > Word of caution though .. the parks monitor sites looking for people > who take on-ride photos and video, and and have been known to cancel > season passes and such. Unless you have written permission from the > park to film on-ride, I'd advise against using such footage in public > videos. > > Cameron. > > On Jul 6, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Larry Flennoy wrote: > >> Hello to all of you! Here is my Six Flags Great America, (Grunee, >> IL) video from last week. I hope you all enjoy. I had a fun time >> there. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D493jaqZupW0 >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone >> call rates. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- >> ~--> >> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email >> design. >> http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ~-> >> >> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ >> RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Use the = =20 > * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! = =20 > * / //\ > **************************************************************** = =20 > \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 > * \, > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------=20 > ~--> > Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 23:23:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50761 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 06:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 06:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 06:12:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 06:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 06:12:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 06:12:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:12:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060704234011.88088.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.182.97.2 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dbqk5rFs47BahdhkU107DJz23I-NHs7MqZNCqAiP08WpH_B1niD8 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wood=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > Lance Hart wrote: = =20 >=20=20 > Now there are still quite a few SkyRides running around the=20 > country... many=20 There's one installed permanently at the LA County Fairgrounds (where=20 the rides are generally supplied by Ray Cammack Shows) that's not a=20 bucket, just basically like a ski lift over level ground. You just sit=20 on a bench and one measly bar swings down to keep you inside, not even=20 really locking into place. Falling out of that thing would be VERY=20 easy; I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Adam From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jul 06 23:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28888 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 06:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 06:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 06:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 06:45:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 06:45:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:45:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89023A10-40D6-4F1E-B986-4296196BA2BD@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.182.97.2 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: On-Ride video, plus micro-TR for Holiday World and Beech Bend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dF-UgCUdLih9v9Lac8gT32-CPDT6EKIkObfeWKTbLNxcOMpuL8n_ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Lance Hart: > > In general, if you shot a video... it is yours to do with as you=20=20 > > please. I would guess that the park can't do anything with the video, but=20 they're well within their rights to ban you from their park. I=20 visited Holiday World for the first time yesterday, and their=20 announcements, at least on The Voyage, said that anyone caught taking=20 photos or video on the ride would get a LIFETIME ban from the park.=20 Anyway, first trip to Holiday World, recommended by just about=20 everybody here. What can I say, this place is great! I loved how=20 there were trash cans every 30 feet or so to keep the place clean.=20 Plus, the free parking and free Pepsi. The Voyage is a real ass- kicker... The Legend and The Raven almost feel relaxing by=20 comparison. It's remarkable the contrast in the crowds, being so used=20 to SFMM--- HW is VERY family-friendly, and I don't feel like I'm=20 being fleeced any time I want to get food. I appreciated how the ride=20 attendants would come by and collect your bags to store during the=20 ride instead of forcing everybody to do it themselves or just not=20 caring. The water park (which we didn't visit) closed at 7, and the regular=20 park was open for another 2 hours. During that hour or so after the=20 water park closed, there were big lines for most of the things in the=20 4th of July area, the flat rides, bumper boats, etc. We thought about=20 doing a couple of those (we only had four hours to do the park and=20 had already done the three wooden coasters), but we were looking at=20 lines for things like the bumper cars that were longer than for any=20 of the roller coasters. So we got in extra rides on Voyage and Raven=20 and headed back to 4th of July, where lines had really died down...=20 Eagle's Flight, their flying scooters, had had its line out into the=20 main walkway an hour before, but by 8:45 it was a complete walk-on. I=20 had never been on a flying scooters before, and it was a lot of fun.=20 We even got a re-ride. This was an excellent park. The one thing I found kind of odd was how=20 some of the theming was kind of an odd fit. Like, for example, what=20 says Paul Revere like an Octopus? Or Lewis and Clark =3D antique cars?=20 How many members of the general public realize that The Legend refers=20 to the Legend of Sleepy Hollow? Just an observation. Beech Bend: well, I would have had a TR for you here, except that the=20 night of July 4th, there was a big electrical storm over Bowling=20 Green, and the Kentucky Rumbler got struck by lightning. I called up=20 the park on the 5th and they said that the rest of the park was open,=20 but the Rumbler was down and probably wouldn't be back up until the=20 following day, so we decided to save Beech Bend for another trip and=20 go up to HW that afternoon instead. Warning: the William H. Natcher=20 Parkway is pretty, but it is a booooorrrinnnggg road. And I say that=20 as a bona fide roadgeek. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jul 07 07:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20537 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 14:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 14:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 14:37:58 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so2574465ugf for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr699394huf; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607070737k3a06a1fte7208b3d52247895@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:37:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: The Mine is Alive... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Ox_RXkuNpOQWej3BosHPoxnjDIgtkXb5p4a_2smB3RAkTHg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.dollywood.com/mmine/default.htm Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 07 08:01:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40271 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 15:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 15:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 15:01:43 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D40D9B13 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060706164337.59497.qmail@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3D60A863-5F52-4ED6-8EE4-DAAD73DA4C5F@buzzneon.com> <026301c6a13e$53052c10$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:00:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flag's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=BY-SDOZeKqWlgiGGlAtk6tYgJ8AuYeezlihf0Orn9xFtzoQz X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Folks, just don't shoot on-ride video. It's not worth the risk to > yourself or to others. Not to mention that hand-held, on-ride footage typically looks really bad! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Avalanches above, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** business continues below. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 07 08:27:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12894 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654759B13 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0607070737k3a06a1fte7208b3d52247895@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0607070737k3a06a1fte7208b3d52247895@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:59:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Mine is Alive... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=VjbLBSG0orS-UtfGA3nC9j6bpr2fnagb3fhTsE853Gjg-vu_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon OOhh .. Eurofighter .. awesome!! Cameron. On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:37, Adam Sandy wrote: > http://www.dollywood.com/mmine/default.htm > > Adam > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email > design. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/CDIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Play a real game, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Play pinball! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jul 07 11:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54369 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 18:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 18:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 18:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2006 18:09:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:09:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=hmoXLgFOxRP-gB7lMuoaj3WL7OYxGqa-i8ya_rahDXwu0FLs-6MkXoX6gw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so one of the other coaster groups im on says there is a dive machine=20 simliar to Sheikra going in for next year at BGT. i duno if ive missed=20 any discussion here about it. anyone heard anything about this?=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jul 07 11:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13693 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 18:30:15 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so239176ugf for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr2346596ugi; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:29:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=0YT9ZX58nxA5Y85qiye9BfrHlRsbX5iY59CbCUbQ4IK9vxlA3BEUfNg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > so one of the other coaster groups im on says there is a dive machine > simliar to Sheikra going in for next year at BGT. i duno if ive missed > any discussion here about it. anyone heard anything about this? BGW applied for a 210' height varience in the New France area of the park, and are in the process of removing the Le Mans Raceway to make room for the new ride. At this point it's just one big assumption that it will be a dive machine, but I agree that looks to be the most likely possibility given its height and the fact that the park already has a hypercoaster. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jul 07 12:48:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68806 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k67J6WxB005007 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fd01c6a1f8$7668aa50$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:06:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=wLCYXRTU30ohlrrfoihIW34m2BTg3CV2Cdj7hvocrbRKHfUfJ1ilzhgn7g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance In case you've never checked it out, look to Screamscape.com for the coverage on this project. http://www.screamscape.com/html/busch_gardens.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? so one of the other coaster groups im on says there is a dive machine simliar to Sheikra going in for next year at BGT. i duno if ive missed any discussion here about it. anyone heard anything about this? From serpmage@juno.com Fri Jul 07 15:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13962 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 22:18:33 -0000 Received: from webmail24.lax.untd.com (webmail24.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.164]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCL7ZN9ALZ5RLS for (sender ); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail24.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUP7453F; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:17:13 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail24.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:16:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:16:55 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060707.151713.24743.371286@webmail24.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 9:4:1679414056 X-MAIL-INFO:3ccc55d555e5b17819fc45fc2901181c5d096d1c885dc1c9c5ac9159ac893c896c25e18cfccccc58a165452578acd5ec00d5b12d0c11653cbd58dcd9a9d83848d8f8c138c848c8bd7c9dbcb5851175056899bc9de8183d28d805 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABgl4p9vtd37uyoBUJGY74RA5pbXH3c5iQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.164|webmail24.lax.untd.com|webmail24.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=GDZf-zIN5A8rPy7jkw1wsoF_YGq9IpLEB1xgaEyH8zyVn64N1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >In case you've never checked it out, look to Screamscape.com for the=20 >coverage on this project. >http://www.screamscape.com/html/busch_gardens.htm > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "Doug Nelson" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:09 PM >Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? > >so one of the other coaster groups im on says there is a dive machine >simliar to Sheikra going in for next year at BGT. i duno if ive=20 >missed >any discussion here about it. anyone heard anything about this? Hey Lance, wasn't your last "definitely a B&M dive machine"=20 prediction for the Cedar Point installation that's going up? ;) Really though, I don't care what gets built at BGE as long as it's=20 big and new. Busch has never built a coaster that disappointed me,=20 even the ill fated Darchen Fire. And now that I'm living about 2=20 hours away from Williamsburg, I'm definitely stoked about being here=20 for something new. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 07 23:53:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14441 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 06:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 06:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 06:44:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 06:43:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 06:43:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:43:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060630222254.96946.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.35 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: WAS More on Six Flags NOW : Video Game Talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VZsd1SYYa99hrPMtj7QRmTYtfIwJxZ4Fj75oJaO_0jn7LmOsPw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > (Sorry for changing this into Video Game Talk :)) LOL! I had noticed this thread had gotten off track!=20 I own an Xbox, a Gamecube, a PS2, a PSP, a DS and various iterations of the GBA. From previous generations I owned PS1, SNES, NES, 2600 and even a Coleco Telstar back in the late 70's! (B&W with Pong, Tennis and Soccer hard wired into the white plastic case with faux wood grain face and attached dials for paddles and slide switches for everything else.)=20 My Xbox has mostly gathered dust since I bought it a few months after launch. I might own 10 games for it, but I don't think I beat any of them. My Gamecube hasn't fared much better, as it too, mostly sits idle, but I have played it a bit more, actually playing a few games through to completion.=20 I own two PS2's. One for the ship and one for the home. With a couple Final Fantasy games completed and rediculous game clock numbers for stuff like GT3, GT4 and the SSX games, it's been my favorite game system this time around.=20 As for the next generation?=20 I have no plans to purchase an Xbox360. I've had opportunities, and I have been tempted, but I just can't justify it as I really don't see anything on the horizon that interests me enough to justify paying $500 for the system, and I don't think I want to pay $60 for each game.=20 I may purchase a PS3, but I won't be waiting in line at WalMart or any other store this November. Regardless of system specs, added features from the last generation or what's going to be available at launch, $600 is way too much for a toy. (Yes a big boy's toy, but still a toy.) If the games are MORE than $60, I might forget about buying one altogether, or until Final Fantasy XIII comes out more than a year or so after system launch. The price will likely have dropped on the system, the 'buggy' first batch will have sold through, and the future of the system will be more clear by then.=20 The Nintendo Wii on the other hand, I will likely buy at launch, or as soon as possible after. Nintendo generally puts out a quality product at launch, and I think that the bigwigs at the company actually GET IT!=20 I think Sony is cutting off its own feet on this one. Yes, I can afford to get one, but a lot of people got sticker shock from the 360! They will lose a lot of the market just because of things like college kids and high schoolers won't be able to afford the system at that price. Plus, when I plunk down $50 for a game, I want an experience that I can get 60, 80 or 100 hours of enjoyment out of the game. Too much lately ends at 12 or 15 hours. I think a lot of people agree, and that's why stuff like Madden and Halo do well. (I consider Halo the spiritual successor to Street Fighter: People sit around and compete against each other, not just the game itself.)=20 Chris B (Can we talk about rollercoasters now?) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 00:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57961 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 07:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 07:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 07:16:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:15:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:15:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:15:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060704234011.88088.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.35 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: SKY-RIDE ATTRACTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=T42Hh_CMincF6JA5spC9bNrHad0VfkghyU2ul8RbP_Wg9UsDug X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Lake Compounce... --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wood wrote: =20 > Lance Hart wrote: = =20 >=20=20 > Now there are still quite a few SkyRides running around the country... many=20 > of which at Busch Parks. > Busch Gardens Tampa > Busch Gardens Williamsburg > and SeaWorld San Diego. > Add these to that list (off the top of my head...) > Adventureland-Iowa > Hersheypark (modified-smaller than it used to be) > Indiana Beach > Waldameer Park > Camden Park (they might have removed it recently) > Six Flags over Georgia > Texas State Fair > Six Flags New England > Lake Winnie > Flamingoland > There are still quite a few left around... >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Bryan >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free.=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 00:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10103 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 07:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 07:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 07:30:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:30:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:30:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:30:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44AC1B9A.5030107@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.35 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: If you received an email from Warlockgirl about ghosts at carnivals.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=QwkohcsEh4HyL5EAqz6EKeypplQ2PNMBdFU52I8Jx-s1kbB-Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > I know that several of you have received an email from a warlockgirl13=20 > on Yahoo that may have looked a bit odd. If you're wondering, I=20 > attached a copy of it below. >=20 > Just wanted to reassure all of you that I have taken steps to take care=20 > of it, and that they've been removed from the list so that they can't=20 > harvest any more email addresses. I don't know how widespread it was,=20 > but wanted to make sure that everyone that received a note from her=20 > knows that she's been taken care of. >=20 > George That's really weird! Not only did I recieve that one, but several others with the same subject. The Yahoo's spam filter caught it, and when it forwarded it to my shipboard e-mail address, it added a spam tag to all of them. Weird.=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 00:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55024 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 07:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 07:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 07:51:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:51:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 07:51:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:51:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.179.35 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: The Mine is Alive... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zTMNWBRwDzvEOzfu_LEF3nxlzAZY2alK1QPwVf8mOPDvAc2yCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > OOhh .. >=20 > Eurofighter .. awesome!! >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:37, Adam Sandy wrote: >=20 > > http://www.dollywood.com/mmine/default.htm > > > > Adam The track length sounds awfully short though. Any comments or ideas about that?=20 Chris B From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jul 08 08:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64803 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 15:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 15:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 15:40:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 15:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 15:11:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2006 15:11:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:11:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060707.151713.24743.371286@webmail24.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ObEoLqhKmleGBs8xcp_OR-brI4YI5qX-V8xgYx21j89cbvScFS5uUcU1HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." =20 wrote: > Busch has never built a coaster that disappointed me even Python?!?! From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Jul 08 09:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27310 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 16:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 16:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-41.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.10) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 16:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2974 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2006 16:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 16:28:29 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-157-131.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.157.131] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FzFfR-00070g-07 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:28:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D3BD5AE-AB9E-4208-A54E-FD7C60E1DA36@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:31:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.157.131 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=xg1QXOEgdn1V-UyL4ia3W1b3HdrN-cCrzTn4Dny-41H9xZaRCRXp X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Busch has never built a coaster that disappointed me > > > even Python?!?! I probably say this every time someone mentions Busch Coasters, but I'm 6'2'' or so, and Loch Ness Monster and Big Bad Wolf absolutely KILLED my shoulders. The OSTRs are way too low, and even when I slouched down in the seat, they still dug in really hard. It basically killed both of those rides for me... it's hard to enjoy something when you're in an awkward position and in pain. I'm not sure if it was just me, or if its a problem for everyone over 6' or so. All the other rides aren't too bad, but they don't really have a top 10 or even a top 20 coaster for me probably, except for maybe Kumba. It's sort of like Cedar Point... they have OK rides, but pretty much every ride at SFGAd of the same type is better. But I think its the parks in general why Busch parks are great, and plus they're half zoo, especially the one in Tampa, so it gives you something else to do. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 11:40:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33197 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 18:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 18:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 18:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 95252 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2006 18:34:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20060708183410.95250.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.244.84] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:34:10 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:34:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UvsJhZWsDPAhsYjjS5Wh3TtpEIFBl55hlsnZK_ut_ERrzpLfumm9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BGW applied for a 210' height varience in the New France area of the park, and are in the process of removing the Le Mans Raceway to make room for the new ride. < Why is it that cutting edge thrill rides come at the expense of family rides? The LeMans Raceway was the only triple-tracked antique car rides I know of. It had great capacity and was a fun family ride. It's a shame the new coaster couldn't be incorporated into that area without removing the Raceway. But I'm sure it will bring them more publicity for the park. Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Jul 08 12:35:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86923 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 19:32:39 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so3467302ugf for ; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr3292633ugg; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:32:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060708183410.95250.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060708183410.95250.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rQObxzv8Q86k62R8wIGFHkM17f7bXewK5TVl8CSFrcIjQ2PBNpQxEmU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Why is it that cutting edge thrill rides come at the expense of family rides? The > LeMans Raceway was the only triple-tracked antique car rides I know of. It had > great capacity and was a fun family ride. It's a shame the new coaster couldn't > be incorporated into that area without removing the Raceway. This just came out recently, but it's starting to look like they're just moving the LeMans Raceway to Drachen Fire's old plot of land. I don't know much about BGE (I unfortunately have never made it there) but from reading the Coasterbuzz thread, it seems they've renamed the bumper cars from "Der Autobahn" to simply "bumper cars" and there are survey marks around the old DF site. At least, that's how I understood it. You can read the thread here: http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=45169 -Nate From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Jul 08 12:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82952 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.205) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 19:55:33 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i29so1307068wxd for ; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr3040328wxy; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.1 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:55:31 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.205 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Mine is Alive... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=UrzGOZyb8EGRql_wXmwkKQOCl6TM-OzpnI2tKkiX4dWjWxNrLunuG3A X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/8/06, Chris wrote: > > > The track length sounds awfully short though. Any comments or ideas > about that? > > Chris B > .___ > Yeah, I was wondering about that too, particularly when you consider that it has two lifts. My best guess is that it's going to have a very simple layout. Probably something like lift, drop, Immelmann, turn, lift, drop, barrel roll, turn, brakes. I'm sure it'll still be fun, especially since the planned theming looks impressive. Hopefully I can make it there the next time I go to Tennessee. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 08 20:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 351 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 03:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:46:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:46:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 03:46:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:46:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44AC1B9A.5030107@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.142.187.106 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Re: MISC: If you received an email from Warlockgirl about ghosts at carnivals... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=3C5ISo5rybgmUsnzGLulX16EDOWxY1OPa68knylPKwz6u9lgD8MZhYzINMp5SVs X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > I know that several of you have received an email from a=20 warlockgirl13=20 > on Yahoo that may have looked a bit odd. If you're wondering, I=20 > attached a copy of it below. >=20 > Just wanted to reassure all of you that I have taken steps to take=20 care=20 > of it, and that they've been removed from the list so that they=20 can't=20 > harvest any more email addresses. I don't know how widespread it=20 was,=20 > but wanted to make sure that everyone that received a note from=20 her=20 > knows that she's been taken care of. >=20 > George >=20 > > Begin forwarded message: > >=20 > > *From: *April skutt > > *Date: *July 5, 2006 1:28:26 PM EDT >=20 > > *Subject: Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there has ever=20 heard of > > a haunted carnival ride? > > * > > I've heard of people getting killed while riding any carnival > > rides? If so, do any of you believe in ghosts? I've heard=20 many > > ghost stories involving carnival rides. I've heard many ghost > > stories involving deaths on the rides and that person's=20 ghost has > > stayed with that particular ride from that point on. If any=20 of you > > feel like sharing any ghost stories involving amusement park > > hauntings or carnival ride hauntings, please email me. > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > April. > >=20 > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small=20 Business.=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one=20 thrill=20 > ride you'll never want to end. >Seems I remember the runaway mine train at Six Flags Over Texas=20 was presumed to be haunted, although i dont recall anyone ever dying=20 on this ride, but the bigger story is with a coaster called The Big=20 Bend, it was my first coaster experience and almost my last, lol... From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jul 09 07:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99341 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 14:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 14:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 14:16:19 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k69EGH8s009185 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004901c6a362$417afee0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060707.151713.24743.371286@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:16:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=nfxMfqbN8LR9_l6TS5_Wb692VVVsTobLsEqZT9BehFHm_ALNlmWzUI-fOg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim N." To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGW 2007? >Hey Lance, wasn't your last "definitely a B&M dive machine" >prediction for the Cedar Point installation that's going up? ;) Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar Point would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling flyers, but that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious lead. CP wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium Force and Dragster. What's the point? ;-) I've got some leads on what the CP ride will be, and the pieces are confusing. Rumors indicate possible beyond vertical drop (ie: Gerstlauer style), a normal lift, a launch, possible new train design, etc... with many people thinking it's going to be an Aqua Trax but I've been told it isn't. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jul 09 08:25:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78304 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 15:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 15:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 15:09:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c6a362$417afee0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=cYEAKaATp6jjT9-hVEnAxNVWK3CeB1IMkWBU2zoJniPDm9Gav_hBt9PmIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar=20 Point=20 > would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling=20 flyers, but=20 > that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious=20 lead. CP=20 > wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium=20 Force and=20 > Dragster. What's the point? ;-) just a regular flyer would seem to make sense. or maybe now since=20 japan is building one, maybe a 4th dimension? >=20 > I've got some leads on what the CP ride will be, and the pieces=20 are=20 > confusing. > Rumors indicate possible beyond vertical drop (ie: Gerstlauer=20 style), a=20 > normal lift, a launch, possible new train design, etc... with many=20 people=20 > thinking it's going to be an Aqua Trax but I've been told it isn't. after all the parks that CF has purchased, will they been installing=20 anything at all? or if so, maybe it will be something small, cheaper=20 and family-oriented?=20 From serpmage@juno.com Sun Jul 09 10:15:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20287 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 17:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 17:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 17:06:31 -0000 Received: from webmail11.lax.untd.com (webmail11.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.151]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCMCPZ5AF7NQUJ for (sender ); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUUSYBT2; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:03:35 PDT Received: from [68.48.242.16] by webmail11.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:02:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:02:50 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060709.100335.2671.377119@webmail11.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1370961540 X-MAIL-INFO:5ec131b48939b5893d3d3909b5092940114db06130b10050494d1114952d458900 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABdAPm1KP5wbXnJ/tvITcymmJJ71geEKRA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.151|webmail11.lax.untd.com|webmail11.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=gREA6aFeztRxu26xt0qrlOOFTgh7oWVHRSinHplPlnZvLg9V4w X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >after all the parks that CF has purchased, will they been installing >anything at all? or if so, maybe it will be something small, cheaper >and family-oriented?=20 Well, considering there is track on site and footers poured, I would imagine they are going to go ahead and finish the project. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From serpmage@juno.com Sun Jul 09 10:20:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2699 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from webmail11.lax.untd.com (webmail11.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.151]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCMCQWRARKS8LJ for (sender ); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUUTS66Z; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:18:15 PDT Received: from [68.48.242.16] by webmail11.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:17:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:17:45 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060709.101815.2671.377181@webmail11.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 14:7:4016474714 X-MAIL-INFO:01ef379bcf337ecfbbf7339f7e9fee433e4b2a2fa70e1fd36f4b3eda8702fbcf1f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABdAPm1KP5wbyt2I+gyQ6/zCbZfGiCJTjw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.151|webmail11.lax.untd.com|webmail11.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=IUyDs_1a9YV5ppbkQpS6TT7GP85rd2X4P2J-kc3a8hEh38SFpA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >>> Busch has never built a coaster that disappointed me >> >> >> even Python?!?! > >I probably say this every time someone mentions Busch Coasters, but >I'm 6'2'' or so, and Loch Ness Monster and Big Bad Wolf absolutely >KILLED my shoulders. The OSTRs are way too low, and even when I >slouched down in the seat, they still dug in really hard. It >basically killed both of those rides for me... it's hard to enjoy >something when you're in an awkward position and in pain. I'm not >sure if it was just me, or if its a problem for everyone over 6' or >so. I'm 6ft and only occasionally have troubles with the Arrow OTSRs.=20 Commenting on Python, you have to put that ride into perspective, it was a pretty decent ride when it was first installed and the park was nothing more than a brewery with a few animal exhibits to turn it into a tourist trap. Yes the park has outgrown the ride and it's time to replace it with something else, but sometimes it's not really fair to compare a 30 year old coaster to the latest and greatest.=20=20 I do agree though that, as much as I enjoyed several Arrow coasters when I was younger and smaller, now that they are older and there are so many other options out there that work better for a wider anthropomorphic sampling, that there are a lot of parks that need to do something about those old arrow coasters. I wonder if someone were to make new trains for those rides whether or not it would make them salvageable. Keep the same low to the track car design but build a little bit of a suspension into them and redo the restraints. As for Big Bad Wolf, I still love that ride. Since it doesn't really throw you around that much, I usually just barely rest the harness on my shoulders, and the ride attendants don't usually try to staple it down any further. Nessie? The chest portion of those restraints is usually pointing far away from my chest, but again, it's not too much of a rough and tumble ride, so it doesn't really matter to me. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sun Jul 09 16:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20227 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 23:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 23:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 23:33:13 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k69NXApv018329 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6a3b0$0b967860$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:33:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=Pg1knFa8lDMeOP1yXoNymi04XWqzYw0uqElFLMEzInIZDcKVPuOW X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a brand new article that expands somewhat on what has transpired in the past two weeks since Shapiro signaled they might be open to offers for SFMM from Investment Groups that lost out on the bid for CBS' Paramount Theme Parks chain. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060709/six_flags_woes.html?.v=2 This article appears on www.yahoo.com 's Business Section. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jul 09 16:57:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81888 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 23:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2006 23:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 23:57:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 49163 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2006 23:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060709235726.49161.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.246.245] by web53107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:57:26 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:57:26 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=KeY8mBT1q2pdBdPUVziZtJGSxAPFtwf0WFX9rP3EW-70lqu12r4d X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This just came out recently, but it's starting to look like they're just moving the LeMans Raceway to Drachen Fire's old plot of land. < That would be very good news indeed. It's getting so I can't handle multiple rides on intense coasters anymore. I need things like LeMans to chill out on. Jay --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Jul 09 19:41:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60451 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 02:41:11 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.51d.3913cb4 (14467) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51d.3913cb4.31e31828@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:40:40 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Kings Island Son of Beast Injures Riders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=NGPzhJiqKhP54BqAxmrhQbY8il7FLjNaCxbP98wpkXfyK4ZXIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _The Enquirer - Kings Island riders hospitalized_ (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060709/NEWS01/399990108) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jul 09 20:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94894 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 03:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 03:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 03:45:24 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6A3jM16013221 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <035301c6a3d3$48ed8370$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060709235726.49161.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:45:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vXl7uOUL73R9TNMn23ozPwjMpOze6iOBtUEMEu94tcvLFNBnEt0hUw8mPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I haven't read the forum post yet, but don't count on seeing the cars moved to Drachen Fire's location according to a FAQ on the Busch Gardens website that talks about why the ride was removed and they claim they have no plans to install it anywhere else in the park. Unless they've changed the FAQ since I read it last week... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Ducharme" To: Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? >> This just came out recently, but it's starting to look like they're > just moving the LeMans Raceway to Drachen Fire's old plot of land. < > > That would be very good news indeed. It's getting so I can't handle > multiple rides on intense coasters anymore. I need things like LeMans to > chill out on. > > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just > radically better. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jul 10 06:08:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2881 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 12:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 12:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 12:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 12:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 12:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 12:34:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:34:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060709.101815.2671.377181@webmail11.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=-voGrVCaI-fKbngLjUlEa5jA_MVDEAkye_ESkI84xbXp_I6eia8qFy7ShA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." =20 wrote: > I do agree though that, as much as I enjoyed several Arrow coasters > when I was younger and smaller, now that they are older and there=20 are > so many other options out there that work better for a wider > anthropomorphic sampling, that there are a lot of parks that need=20 to do > something about those old arrow coasters. yeah when i was a kid i thought that Loch Ness was the ultimate=20 coaster. of course at the time it probably was! as for something that "needs to be done" about Arrows, i think=20 proper maintainence would be a good start. i know some dont like it,=20 but to me the Tennessee Tornado shows that an Arrow can still be fun=20 and not as painful as some make them out to be.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 06:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13310 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 13:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 13:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 13:12:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088AD9A72 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:11:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <004901c6a362$417afee0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <20060707.151713.24743.371286@webmail24.lax.untd.com> <004901c6a362$417afee0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:11:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WppQvPrCrNEt_jb5JxUmeB9dzCSbeCK-AThyhRVtYaZAPquv X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar > Point > would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling > flyers, but > that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious > lead. CP > wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium Force > and > Dragster. What's the point? ;-) Cedar Point would never do anything that creative or fun. The new coaster will likely be something unoriginal, mainstream, and disappointing. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 07:29:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96364 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 14:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 14:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 14:05:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 14:04:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 14:04:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:04:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=KqtSU4C5nB8ngma_VC1t4D0S1qXl2B_AFgxVrMUce3hZFbyglg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg The Previous FLAME was brought to you by a *SIX FLAGS GREAT AMERICA FANBOY* > > Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar=20=20 > > Point > > would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling=20=20 > > flyers, but > > that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious=20=20 > > lead. CP > > wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium Force = =20 > > and > > Dragster. What's the point? ;-) >=20 > Cedar Point would never do anything that creative or fun. The new=20=20 > coaster will likely be something unoriginal, mainstream, and=20=20 > disappointing. >=20 > Cameron. That was an unnecessary post... We get it, you don't like Cedar Point .... you never have , never will. If you don't care what their new coaster will be , then fine ..... but you = don't have to act like=20 the lil' kids you hang out with. Maybe it'll be a CLONE , now that's ORIGINAL , not MAINSTREAM and def. NOT= =20 disappointing.... (Superman: Ultimate Flight...Deja Vu..... oh wait, didn't= SFGrAm add those=20 in recent years?) Lets just hope they don't put a coaster in the Parking Lo= t, because that=20 would be way too MAINSTREAM and ORIGINAL! /end flame jeremy d. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jul 10 07:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35299 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 14:25:29 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so1446194ugd for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr2107ugm; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:23:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060709.101815.2671.377181@webmail11.lax.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BGW 2007? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=DMDjrL3mnJ19ZLJfWF-3y8ptFjjZYWVGiOBoLraM8kFKP-Uq09aFEEs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > i know some dont like it, > but to me the Tennessee Tornado shows that an Arrow can still be fun > and not as painful as some make them out to be. Tennessee Tornado was also built after Ron Toomer left the company, and I think that has far more to do with that ride's success than anything else. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 08:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68101 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 15:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 15:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 15:00:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6AEsTss027229 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:54:29 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:54:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:54:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2006 14:54:29.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE34A30:01C6A430] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FXWBNWCzwrl3Y5XW8ileRrNlf4APRG4CV6wsnyFS0yfp4PVZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Maybe it'll be a CLONE , now that's ORIGINAL , not MAINSTREAM and > def. NOT > disappointing.... (Superman: Ultimate Flight...Deja Vu..... oh > wait, didn't SFGrAm add those > in recent years?) Lets just hope they don't put a coaster in the > Parking Lot, because that > would be way too MAINSTREAM and ORIGINAL! Where did I mention Six Flags? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 08:20:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59175 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 15:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 15:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 15:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 61362 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2006 15:11:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060710151130.61360.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.27] by web54214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:11:30 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:11:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=OuCwJDIM88SV9d5OfJQuUdxuAoi_qqY1Z4FioC0r3OwFPkzeE7VroQ6eZpvNzbNd X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice job Jeremy. Let's consider the fact that CP is the reason we have a rollercoaster race to build them taller and faster in the first place. I hardly consider Magnum, Millenium Force, Top Thrill Dragster, Mean Streak, Raptor and Mantis to be mainstream. If it wasn't for these record breakers we wouldn't have the world class thrill machines that we have now. Six Flags has always been playing catch up to Cedar Point's Record breaking rides. What ever CP is building back there in Frontier Village IMO it will be a great ride. djbosshogg wrote: The Previous FLAME was brought to you by a *SIX FLAGS GREAT AMERICA FANBOY* > > Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar > > Point > > would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling > > flyers, but > > that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious > > lead. CP > > wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium Force > > and > > Dragster. What's the point? ;-) > > Cedar Point would never do anything that creative or fun. The new > coaster will likely be something unoriginal, mainstream, and > disappointing. > > Cameron. That was an unnecessary post... We get it, you don't like Cedar Point .... you never have , never will. If you don't care what their new coaster will be , then fine ..... but you don't have to act like the lil' kids you hang out with. Maybe it'll be a CLONE , now that's ORIGINAL , not MAINSTREAM and def. NOT disappointing.... (Superman: Ultimate Flight...Deja Vu..... oh wait, didn't SFGrAm add those in recent years?) Lets just hope they don't put a coaster in the Parking Lot, because that would be way too MAINSTREAM and ORIGINAL! /end flame jeremy d. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Jul 10 08:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51957 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-45.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 15:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27669 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2006 15:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 15:27:40 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-157-131.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.157.131] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fzxfg-0000Zc-Lc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:27:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:30:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.157.131 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=k64gGUTqt0a9QscpXU1-0yX-ytAJhlqTf8nRyutff8gqA6DiclZD X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > The Previous FLAME was brought to you by a *SIX FLAGS GREAT AMERICA > FANBOY* > >>> Not that I recall... I was kind of hoping / speculating that Cedar >>> Point >>> would perhaps go the Dueling Dragons route and built two duling >>> flyers, but >>> that was just idol speculation on my part, not a rumor or serious >>> lead. CP >>> wouldn't bother with a Dive Machine after building Millennium Force >>> and >>> Dragster. What's the point? ;-) >> >> Cedar Point would never do anything that creative or fun. The new >> coaster will likely be something unoriginal, mainstream, and >> disappointing. >> >> Cameron. > > That was an unnecessary post... > We get it, you don't like Cedar Point .... you never have , never > will. > If you don't care what their new coaster will be , then fine ..... > but you don't have to act like > the lil' kids you hang out with. > It's quite true though. Has CP added anything in the past 15 years that hasn't just been a bigger version of something else in existence? Pretty much the only thing that was 'unique' could maybe be Magnum, but you could argue that it was just a bigger version of Gemini. Even their flat rides aren't incredibly unique.... just bigger versions of things already out there. I'm not saying SF is better, I'm just saying CP isn't incredibly creative. The rides they come up with is more like what I would've came up with when I was 10. On a side note, apparently CP doesn't know much about web design since their site does not work well in Firefox/Gecko based browsers, and it works even worse in Safari. Sort of interesting that they'd only want to appeal to IE users, and not people who tried to be a little more non-mainstream and decided against using the most awful and outdated browser out there... heh. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 10:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98150 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 17:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 17:22:46 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6AHKQm6004105 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:20:26 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:20:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5CAE46B2-57E9-414E-BA9C-FAE6F8E42B8D@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:20:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2006 17:20:26.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[22BC1CD0:01C6A445] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Quick Report: Indiana Beach - July 9th, 06. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hFuQJYIx5VvBLkvWWm-wwsTc2W00x0RufUxN3WsKHgdlOLlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Hi, Since we seem a little trip-report light lately.. Some friends of mine were heading down to the beach for an afternoon/ evening of fun and sun, and a few coasters thrown in there too. So I invited myself along, and had just a terrific day! We got to the park at 4pm local time (they're on Eastern Daylight now, annoyingly), and bought the afternoon ride session bands. With the ACE discount these were just $10 each .. which is crazy cheap for what you get. For flat-rides we hit the Swings (a Chance yo-yo), Falling Star, Paratrooper, and Pirate Ship. All were run extremely well .. fast and with long cycles. The guys also did the Flyers several times. The first time they got away with some snapping, but the ride-op asked them not to do it again when they returned to re-ride. Later in the evening (after a change of shift!) they returned and had about five rides in a row without even getting off. The last ride was cut short when one guy managed two quite severe snaps in a row. I didn't witness this as I was on Cornball.. Cornball .. It's easy to say that this coaster is back to its former glory .. maybe even better. It is running in total, all out, insane mode. With crazy/scary air-time on pretty much any hill .. especially towards the front of the train. There is a single rough patch at the very bottom of the first drop (feels like a washboard for about a second or two), but other than that it's riding really well. Personally I'm thrilled that this ride is back to being its old self ("kicking bottom, and everything!"), as I had been really let down by it over the past few years. Hurricane was running well too .. This will never be a "thrill-a- second" ride, but it's just so much fun and the location is spectacular. There were a few little rough spots .. nothing painful .. in fact one jolt launches you right out of your seat going up/over the second or third out-bound hill. It's pretty cool! The new Splash Battle left me disappointed. I was under the impression that the riders sit in boats that float in the pool .. and you can spray the other boats, and even spectators. Well the 'boats' run on a powered track that meanders around the pool .. under showers and small fountains, and then finally in-front of the spectators. The people on the ride have these awkward hand-powered guns where you have to turn this little wheel in order to spray people. Spectators can drop a quarter into a water-gun that just fires continuously for about one to two minutes. I actually think it's a good addition for the park (especially at that end of the boardwalk), but personally I don't find it all that appealing. The new water-jets down near double-shot were running .. but seem vastly incomplete. There are very few sprays and jets. I imagine this will get built up some more for 2007. Lost Thieves has new guns, which I had a lot of trouble with .. only scoring a pathetic 200. I lost count of the number of rides I had on Double Shot ... still the best one I have ridden. I wish more people would run theirs like this! We closed the park out at 11pm and stayed for almost another whole hour doing ice-cream, snacks and drinks. It was a really fun day .. something I needed after my disappointing trip to SFGAm the week before. I'll be back at The Beach several times this summer .. including Lost Coaster Weekend, an event that I cannot recommend highly enough. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jul 10 11:08:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94652 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 18:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 18:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 18:01:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 17:58:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:58:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=O2RCL_TvrEond9bn-9cYLlbGBuEfDqbJH3KgjBu-iPcQZKC1ry0CywCa_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > Has CP added anything in the past 15 years=20=20 > that hasn't just been a bigger version of something else in=20=20 > existence? Pretty much the only thing that was 'unique' could=20 maybe=20=20 > be Magnum, but you could argue that it was just a bigger version of=20=20 > Gemini.=20 but who has though? with the exception of things like launching=20 capabilities and different types of coaster cars, is there ANY park or=20 company that has done anything different, in your eyes?=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 12:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59834 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 19:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 19:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 19:15:22 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6AJF4j3011385 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:15:04 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:15:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DB9C0A9-E121-4373-AF34-865E09A760BA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:15:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2006 19:15:04.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[263C0180:01C6A455] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=6DFgnm5r6PL659hCPC-An2ORzuGfhR56trDo4ob7oJTzIMic X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Hi, > It's quite true though. Has CP added anything in the past 15 years > that hasn't just been a bigger version of something else in > existence? Raptor is a bigger (and not as much fun) Batman. (In fact Raptor=20=20 opened the same year as Nemesis at Alton Towers .. how's that as a=20=20 demonstration of Cedar Point's lack of imagination?!!) Mantis is a bigger (and not as much fun) Iron Wolf (although I bet=20=20 Riddler's has them both beat). Millennium is a bigger and quite disappointing Superman Ride Of Steel. Wicked Twister is a bigger and not as much fun Vertical Velocity. Dragster .. well that's just an embarrassment! Magnum is a bigger Gemini, but Gemini is actually a pretty cool/=20 original ride. Of course the only reason it was built was because=20=20 Cedar Fair can't maintain a wooden coaster. Hit up Raven, Cornball Express, Whizzer, Batman The Ride, or the=20=20 little Maurer S=F6hne spinning coasters for example of "smaller kicks=20=20 the backside out of bigger". > I'm not saying SF is better, I'm just saying CP isn't incredibly > creative. The rides they come up with is more like what I would've > came up with when I was 10. Right .. and that's my point. Cedar Fair gets lavished with all this=20=20 insane attention, and they're really no better (certainly no=20=20 different) from Six Flags. In fact, in the coaster wars I'd say it=20=20 was Six Flags who have innovated more (first inverted, first flyers,=20=20 first Intamin Hyper, put B&M on the map with the Batmen, put coasters=20=20 in most peoples back-yards with Boomerangs and SLCs (whether you like=20=20 them or not .. they're the VW Beetle of the modern coaster era). > On a side note, apparently CP doesn't know much about web design > since their site does not work well in Firefox/Gecko based browsers, Probably not fair to blame this one on Cedar Point as I'm sure they=20=20 just contract that out to the cheapest bidder. Most web-site design=20=20 firms are terrible .. opting for Flash and Java heavy monstrosities=20=20 that are borderline unusable. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Doing the things * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A particle can. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2538 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 19:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 57235 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2006 19:49:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060710194903.57233.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:49:03 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:49:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0DB9C0A9-E121-4373-AF34-865E09A760BA@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=Uxt56kzZfjdnCl_Rjnn9d288dwaLWMHqwZIB-8-YfREPpcEb X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > Right .. and that's my point. Cedar Fair gets > lavished with all this > insane attention, and they're really no better > (certainly no > different) from Six Flags. In fact, in the coaster > wars I'd say it > was Six Flags who have innovated more (first > inverted, first flyers, > first Intamin Hyper, put B&M on the map with the > Batmen, put coasters > in most peoples back-yards with Boomerangs and SLCs > (whether you like > them or not .. they're the VW Beetle of the modern > coaster era). Um, Point of clarification: The first flyer showed up at the *other* Great America. So we can thank Paramount Parks for that one. =] > Probably not fair to blame this one on Cedar Point > as I'm sure they > just contract that out to the cheapest bidder. Most > web-site design > firms are terrible .. opting for Flash and Java > heavy monstrosities > that are borderline unusable. The only thing I hate more in web design than Flash is frames! Java I actually learned to like...bcak when I was into that sort of thing. lata, jeremy --who gets no big thrill out of Firefox, though his wife loves it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jul 10 16:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9551 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 23:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 23:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 23:14:03 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6ANE0Ja008324 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6a476$89487080$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:14:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: A MUST READ RE: SFI, SFMM AND HOW THEY ARE DOING IN CUSTOMER SATISFACTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=jGyWAgQoDU3vF9uOrohsMGUyb0eg5IoXC9zv13KJ9CXTvUatYGHw X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-guest-approval-ratings-at-five/n20060710150309990014 Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jul 10 16:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55898 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2006 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 23:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2006 23:19:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:19:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0DB9C0A9-E121-4373-AF34-865E09A760BA@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=et9TOMvPgdEJUNS1UCQlJb8bo8NdjbLyYqpJhZbecfH-dDRYpSr2c3RUoA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > Raptor is a bigger (and not as much fun) Batman. (In fact Raptor=20=20 > opened the same year as Nemesis at Alton Towers .. how's that as=20 a=20=20 > demonstration of Cedar Point's lack of imagination?!!) >=20 > Mantis is a bigger (and not as much fun) Iron Wolf (although I=20 bet=20=20 > Riddler's has them both beat). >=20 > Millennium is a bigger and quite disappointing Superman Ride Of=20 Steel. >=20 > Wicked Twister is a bigger and not as much fun Vertical Velocity. >=20 > Dragster .. well that's just an embarrassment! >=20 > Magnum is a bigger Gemini, but Gemini is actually a pretty cool/=20 > original ride. Of course the only reason it was built was because=20=20 > Cedar Fair can't maintain a wooden coaster. >=20 > Hit up Raven, Cornball Express, Whizzer, Batman The Ride, or the=20=20 > little Maurer S=F6hne spinning coasters for example of "smaller=20 kicks=20=20 > the backside out of bigger". "bigger", "not much fun", "an embarassment", etc. sounds just like=20 opinion to me. to others, they might consider raptor better than=20 batman, mantis better than iron wolf, MillForce better than SROS,=20 etc.=20 im still not seeing how CP is any more or less innovative than any=20 other parks coasters. of course i guess it depends on what you=20 consier an "innovation".=20 From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jul 10 17:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77305 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 00:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 00:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 00:03:06 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6AHstdA002549 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05d601c6a449$f8accd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=AaB-i9a8XqW9bycvn9gGefBWXNeqMY8SHAcQrkPA9msGs0YAYR6Z3enIYg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors > On a side note, apparently CP doesn't know much about web design > since their site does not work well in Firefox/Gecko based browsers, > and it works even worse in Safari. Sort of interesting that they'd > only want to appeal to IE users, and not people who tried to be a > little more non-mainstream and decided against using the most awful > and outdated browser out there... heh. No, like most people and companies, they are designing their webpage to the most common browser out there... the browser that is built in to every Windows based system. From a design standpoint, it's just hard to handle all the little problems caused by every other browser out there... and while Firefox is the growing #2 player right now, most traffic to most sites is still 90-95% Internet Explorer browsers from my design experience. Traffic from Safari browers is about half of what your average Fixfox traffic might be (not much) and just above the virtually non-existant traffic from people still trying to use Netscape or Opera or WebTV. I have no love to IE myself... back in the day I was a Netscape fan all the way until they screwed it all up royally and I had to give in and use IE. But at least the new IE7 is almost ready and you can download the Beta 3 version (I'm using it now) which seems to work flawlessly for everything I've tried for the past several weeks. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 17:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2548 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6B0bQ8V030269 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:37:26 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:37:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060710194903.57233.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060710194903.57233.qmail@web42205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:37:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 00:37:26.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EA50BF0:01C6A482] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=TGQH45HviSJ38w3jLQA-OoWfrD-iap_EWiDhvgXzZIt-BPqj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Um, Point of clarification: The first flyer showed up at the > *other* Great America. So we can thank Paramount Parks for that > one. =] That's right .. I wasn't trying to limit myself to Six Flags .. Basically my point was that Cedar Fair hasn't moved the coaster industry forward at all, while everyone else has. > The only thing I hate more in web design than Flash is frames! Ok, I'll give you that one! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 10 17:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15694 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 00:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 00:40:01 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6B0dnAs030399 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:39:49 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:39:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <05d601c6a449$f8accd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> References: <6AE8ACDC-7258-41DA-A9B5-30DA206A11A9@donkeyentertainment.com> <05d601c6a449$f8accd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E1D85FB-2E67-4263-BBBA-366A39F57494@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:39:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 00:39:49.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[8457FB20:01C6A482] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4U8I63QAr_3ZwsKm9ibGAVaqpB5rHkZCJnr9HIZct2uZq0tu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> On a side note, apparently CP doesn't know much about web design >> since their site does not work well in Firefox/Gecko based browsers, > No, like most people and companies, they are designing their > webpage to the > most common browser out there... the browser that is built in to every > Windows based system. If they complied with the standards, then there wouldn't be a problem. All browsers are good with the standards (well, except for IE which is the worst) .. but it's really not hard to not do any crazy or non-standard stuff. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 20:28:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35164 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 03:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 03:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 03:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 03:27:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 03:27:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 03:27:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:27:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=LmAZoHriuB9BhZN-cEu7TqIW7JGEaE9Budh1BTcV8Z-RywpbOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" w= rote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 > wrote: > > Has CP added anything in the past 15 years=20=20 > > that hasn't just been a bigger version of something else in=20=20 > > existence? Pretty much the only thing that was 'unique' could=20 > maybe=20=20 > > be Magnum, but you could argue that it was just a bigger version of = =20 > > Gemini.=20 >=20 > but who has though? with the exception of things like launching=20 > capabilities and different types of coaster cars, is there ANY park or=20 > company that has done anything different, in your eyes? > Considering everything NEW that has come out isn't quite reliable.... (Inta= min Launched=20 Coasters , Arrow 4D's & CCI wooden coasters on steel frames....) Those all = sure don't have=20 me lined back up for some rerides. I don't think anyones done anything that amazing in the industry , besides = HW introducing=20 FREE SODA! We don't even know what CP is even doing w/ this ride, yet we're calling it= lame,=20 unoriginal, bla bla bla . To me that's just pure fanboy talk. (aka ANTI COA= STEBUZZ) But that's just how I took it. I could really care less what kinda coaster they're getting , I mean I'm su= re I'll ride it. I go=20 to Cedar Point to hang out w/ my friends who live near there. Not like they= come visit me=20 and go to Camden Park! So it gives us a reason to hang out. Sure their ride= s aren't ONE OF=20 A KIND and sometimes just BIGGER versions of other rides. But sometimes the= y're better=20 (Skyhawk and MaXair to name a few) While I'm not a fan of anything that stomps my *cash n prizes* I wouldn't h= ail Iron Wolf as=20 anything to write home about. Stand Ups are the worst kind of coaster this = side of the ol'=20 SLC.=20 Batman: The Ride is a decent ride, but so overdone that it's novelty has wo= rn off to me.=20 Talon and Silver Bullet are far better rides in my opinion because they off= er more than just=20 INVERSION INVERSION INVERSION. While I'm sure when it debuted it was Great = , but now=20 that every SF park has one that has the same layout.... kinda not so origin= al anymore. I'm not saying that CP does no wrong, because I thought TTD was a stupid id= ea , along w/=20 Wicked Twister. Come to think of it, there are only a few coasters at the p= ark that I like.=20 And oddly enough, Magnum is NOW one of them , with MF , Blue Streak and Rap= tor being=20 ones that I enjoy the most. I've ridden way better coasters at other parks. But nothing is really that = unique that makes=20 me think twice about riding other coasters. The Voyage is great and mind bl= owing, but it's=20 still a WOODEN coaster. S:ROS is a great ride (SFNE's) but it's still a STE= EL coaster with=20 trains you sit in. I think designers have hit the wall when it comes to new= ideas. Which is=20 fine by me. Oh well, that's just me rambling. From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 22:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10397 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 04:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 04:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51114.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.91) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 04:55:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 35069 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 04:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711045518.35067.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.31.57.154] by web51114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:18 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:55:18 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: TR: Kennywood 7/8/2006 (Cliffs Notes Version) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=Qeg5bcr-iVS1Qrs9whUPZcVEvcyv4todonpjlq006XwMaL661m_k4kp6 X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I'm not good with blow-by blow reports, I'll just give you a "cliffs = notes" of my trip to Kennywood on Saturday. As a background, this is my fir= st visit since opening day 2004. I moved to Phoenix for two years after hav= ing lived in Ohio and visiting Kennywood often. I moved back to Ohio this w= inter and have been biting at the chomp to get back. I took my girlfriend f= or her first visit on this day (her park visits are limited to PKI, GL, CP = and IoA). -We bought tickets through AAA in Ohio for $18 (included free any day ticke= ts to Sandcastle water park)...what a deal! It seems as though this is only= available through Ohio AAA offices. -Phantom's Revenge was off the hinges as usual. I was getting 2-3 seconds o= f airtime in the Thunderbolt "station tunnel" portion, which I don't rememb= er ever getting. That ride blew my girlfriend's mind. She wasn't expecting = the wicked airtime.=20 -We had a walk-on on Exterminator early in the day. We were the only ones, = so we had an unbalanced mouse and we had probably the craziest of 15-some r= ides I've had on it.=20 -Rides like The Whip, Turtle and Kangaroo are still miticulously maintained= and running great. My girlfriend really enjoyed them...especially because = of their uniqueness and laugh-out-loud fun. -Flying Carpet (Zierer) was running much harder than I ever remember. In fa= ct, we both got headaches from it. It was insane. -The sheer look of terror on my girlfriend's face on Jackrabbit's double-do= wn (back seat ride) was absolutely priceless. She thought she was riding a = "little coaster". -Aero 360 (Zamperla Hawk 48) was down all day. Apparently, it's been down f= or a while.=20 -Swing Shot (Screamin' Swing) ran much harder than Knott's version. Kwood o= nly had one side running, but never had a line over 20 minutes with decent = crowds in the park. Fun ride, but a short cycle. - I really miss the Swing Around on top of the Garden Stage. I was surprise= d to find the Garden Stage completely gone and replaced by a High Dive show= . It really opens up the "lagoon" area. The show wasn't that great, but I w= as harboring resentment because I loved the location that Swing Around was = at. -Pitt Fall is still one of the finest Drop Towers anywhere. I'm partial to = Intamin towers, with the ARM/Larson towers (and Fabbri Mega Drops) in secon= d and S&S towers in third. -All of the wooden coasters were running blue and green trains, which was s= ort of weird. Jackrabbit's green train used to be white when I last visited= . -The shaking/shimmying floorboards in Noah's Ark weren't working, which is = my favorite part of the attraction. How Six Flags of Kennywood. :( Anyone k= now if this has been going on all year or did I just have bad luck? -I got my usual Chicken Strip/Potato Patch Fry basket from Small Fry's. For= $5, it's a fantastic deal, possibly the best food deal at a park west of K= noebel's. -Garfield's Nightmare grew on me this time. I still liked Old Mill better, = but you can't blame Kennywood for changing it. There's bigger lines for the= ride now and it has a bigger family appeal. -The new-to-me entrance is absolutely fantastic. It just fits the park's ch= arming personality so well. It never ceases to amaze me how much of a "sore= thumb" this park is in such a ghetto (more restaurants and stores in the i= mmediate area are now vacant since my last visit as well) area. It's just s= o nice. -New -to-me at the park was Lifesavers frozen drinks. We got a Sour Apple f= or $2.60. It was darn good and more fruity than sour. Try one if you go. Th= e other flavor was Tangy Tangerine. -Thunderbolt had heavy trims on before the "carousel turn", but this is one= instance trims are more than welcome. -I still love Racer. It's tame (except the final drop in the backseat), but= it's just plain fun. -We left satisfied at 7pm and ended by grabbing a couple of chunks of fudge= for $2.50 a chunk at the Candy Shoppe at the tunnel entrance/exit. A very random note...I might've had a Jeremy Norris sighting on the way hom= e on the PA Turnpike. A silver Camry drove past me and I told my girlfriend= "Man, that guy looks a lot like someone I know". So the car passes me and = has a Virginia plate. I ended up passing the car a few times to see if it w= as Jeremy. The guy looked just like him...down to the glasses and facial ha= ir. Jeremy...was that you or your long lost twin? Anyways, the Kennywood visit was great. The park, despite a few changes, st= ill maintains a fun charm and a relazed atmosphere. It's still one of the b= est park deals anywhere with $28.95 admission, free parking (or $5 preferre= d) and cheap but good food. It was a reminder why I preferred Kennywood ove= r GL and CP back in the day even when I lived close to the Ohio parks. Cheers, Bryan =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:09:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78919 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 10:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 10:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42210.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.221) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 10:44:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27969 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 10:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711104444.27967.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web42210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:44:43 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:44:43 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060711045518.35067.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Kennywood 7/8/2006 (Cliffs Notes Version) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=0I7zaFBexaEpZfbpKNaGYpgYrj1AGLi5lSSVYHivXMh_MriP X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Bryan Wood wrote: > A very random note...I might've had a Jeremy Norris > sighting on the way home on the PA Turnpike. A > silver Camry drove past me and I told my girlfriend > "Man, that guy looks a lot like someone I know". So > the car passes me and has a Virginia plate. I ended > up passing the car a few times to see if it was > Jeremy. The guy looked just like him...down to the > glasses and facial hair. Jeremy...was that you or > your long lost twin? While it's true that POSSE members get around, I havent been *near* the PA turnpike this year. Funny aside, we are indeed a "Toyota Family" as I drive an Avalon and my wife drives a Corolla (no Camry though). But both our cars are dark green =]! lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Jul 11 04:55:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36414 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 11:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 11:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 11:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 11:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 11:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 11:52:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:52:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c6a3b0$0b967860$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=5QnxNI05_PpKsplq8c8ZYVpAfUx2gz1hJizZXTXpQ-XvBUttZyI X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred This is a very interesting article about Shapiro's state of mind. > "What we couldn't have realized, candidly, was that this brand > is much more damaged than we previously thought," Shapiro said > during a conference call. "What we couldn't realize is just how > many families have literally given up on Six Flags." Surprise, surprise! Is it a demonstration that Snyder and Shapiro=20 have a very poor knowledge of the amusement park industry? From my=20 viewpoint, it has been clear since a long time that Six Flags had a=20 very bad reputation. > But building Magic Mountain into a world-class thrill park came > with problems. Over the years, it has been the scene of=20 > fights and other incidents that fed its reputation as a hangout > for tough, foul-mouthed teens. > > Despite efforts to make it more secure, Magic Mountain is > still recalled by many as the site of a parking lot shooting > death in 1998 and a riot in 1993 that started at a concert > inside and spilled outside. Is it a Six Flags' habit to blame guests for what is wrong, rather=20 than managers' way to manage an amusement park? I don't remind about=20 fights and other incidents at SFMM. What I did hear several times,=20 however, is that many rides - especially roller coasters - are often=20 closed or run with only one train. At La Ronde this year, I am not very impressed by the new Shapiro's=20 directives. The Super Man=E8ge, a Vekoma's corkscrew, has been closed=20 from the opening of the park to end of June, mechanical team being=20 unable to fix the problem. Other roller coasters run often with one=20 train despite long queues. Women have reported to me that several WC=20 don't work. Some tables next to food area remain unclear and=20 sometime disgusting. And don't forget that the ticket for a single=20 day admission has increased from 35$ to 41$ this year, and many=20 families are not happy because the ticket for children is now=20 available for people smaller than 54" rather than younger than 12 (so=20 many children are younger than 12 but higher than 54"). Fred From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 11 06:36:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69516 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 13:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 13:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 13:16:03 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F619A72 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060711045518.35067.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060711045518.35067.qmail@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D265173-809F-4F26-B638-0871F668FA46@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:15:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Kennywood 7/8/2006 (Cliffs Notes Version) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JllVLJ3eNTOVWIYJQfeN1PkBUDauePyjcgS5xmQGwETdtqlK X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Nice report .. Kennywood is so great! > -The sheer look of terror on my girlfriend's face on Jackrabbit's > double-down (back seat ride) was absolutely priceless. She thought > she was riding a "little coaster". Classic!! > -Swing Shot (Screamin' Swing) ran much harder than Knott's version. > Kwood only had one side running, but never had a line over 20 > minutes with decent crowds in the park. Fun ride, but a short cycle. I rode one of these at Thorpe, and it was great. However they ran an insanely short program (you only got one or two swings at full power). Looking forward to trying one with a longer program. Did you hit up the log flume? What about the Bayren Curve, is that back yet?? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Yellow, Black * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** and Rectangular * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 07:33:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77211 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 14:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 14:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 14:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 54878 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 14:05:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711140534.54876.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:05:34 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:05:34 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=3xe5ivNhbWSqgJKZtmZapCvgSbCqtVeFygTr2jyokazfzmaz X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Who: Me and my wife (Lady T) What: First visit to SFNE When: Sunday July 2 Where: SFNE (duh) Why: Just to get away to someplace new How: Via Automobile (heh-heh) Since Cameron has expressed a dearth of TRs on the list, I *guess* I should add a couple. I'm not sure that I have even *written* a TR since the long drawn out Texas 'soap opera' of 2002 so bear with me. As always, if you get bored midway through...TOUGH! =] Oh, so as to add a bit of "flavor" to an otherwise vanilla TR, I will and a song title to express my feelings for the ride. Onwards! About a month or so ago, T and I were discussing parks and such and she came to the realization that I have already visited most of the "big name" parks. But she wanted to take me somewhere I've never been. Also, we were planning on going with her family to Myrtle beach sometime in July, but plans fell through so we decided to take a 4th of July trip instead. Basically, my choice came down to Hershey/Knoebels or SFNE/Lake Compounce. Well, by the title of this TR you can guess which we chose. In retrospect, this turned out to be a great decision as Knoebels was closed this particular weekend due to flooding. So I make plans to stay at a DoubleTree Inn (Hilton Family) near the Hartford Airport, just north of downtown Hartford, and Mapquest the directions. MQ says the trip will take 6.75 hours. Admittedly, I rarely drive the speed limit (though I have slowed considerably from my early 'roaring 20's') so I estimate that I can do the trip in six flat. Leaving at 8AM, I figure we'll be there by 2:30 at the latest. It's basically a straight shot up I-95 with just the detour of taking the Jersey Turnpike (I-295) around Philly. I've taken this route many times to get up to SFGreat Adventure, but have actually only gone up my NYC once...late...on a Sunday...before MLK Jr.'s B-day. As you can guess, we hit *quite* a bit of traffic backed several miles due to the toll plaza on the George Washington Bridge. NEVER again, will I take I-95 thru NYC. I will forever take I-287 *around* NYC if I need to go to/from New England. Sure, that adds a bit of time to the trip but anything is better than being stuck in traffic, travelling less than 15miles and that 15 mile trip taking THREE HOURS!!! Ugh, this is not how I wanted to start my vacation! Anyway, after that fiasco, we checked in about 5:30pm, ordered room service and basically crashed. Woke up rather early the next day, milled around, hit a Denny's for breakfast and then on to the park. Our hotel was only about 10-15min from the park taking a somewhat winding back road. What I didnt realize was that this area of CT has a real small town feel to it. Something that seems a little out of place compared to the hustle and bustle of the rest of the eastern seaboard. It really *did* remind me of 'Stars Hollow' of "Gilmore Girls" fame. The first thing we notice as we approach the park are people selling their driveway space as alternative parking. Sure, the $15 SF parking fee is a bit much, but are people really that cheap that they'll pay $10 to park on someone's lawn? Well, not me. I pulled into the official lot (which is actually across Main St from the park itself), pay the fifteen, get my big-assed souviener map (and a smaller pocket sized map/show schedule) hop the tram (which actally takes you to a pedestrian overpass, but not across the street), across the bridge and into the park. The park opens up into a "Main Street USA" type area that I'm sure you are all familar with now. Also, they have a pretty large-scale merry-go-round right there as well (sorry Adam S. I didnt get close enough to see what type it was). Now, it was threatening rain that day (weatherman said the showers would come around 3pm) and with this being my first time, I purchased a (standard) Q-bot...er-uh..Flash Pass. We take a look at the maps to get our bearings and notice that the Tony Hawk's Boom Boom Huck Jam is performing in the park that day. We make a note of it then plot a plan of attack...which as you could guess, began with Superman: Ride of Steel. We "flashed" S:ROS and instead queued up for: POISON IVY'S TANGLED TRAIN (Zierer "Tivoli" family coaster - 6/10) As family coasters go, I rather like the "Tivoli" style just because of the asthetics of the ridiculously long trains. Unfortunately, the lenght of the train makes the ride itself have a wierd ebb and flow to it. This installation was particularly nice tucked into a little patch of trees/shrubbery (no Monty Python references please =]) SONG: We are Family - Sister Sledge We have a few more minutes left so we set up a 2nd reservation, this time for Batman: The Dark Knight and walked back to catch our ride for: SUPERMAN: RIDE OF STEEL (Intamin hypercoaster - 10/10) With great anticipation, we queued up for the front row. Now, Lady T loves NITRO, but doesn't care much for our S:ROS (SFA) as something about it scares her terribly. Hence, she was a bit nervous about this ride. I have to admit, I cant really describe the layout of the ride, but what I found most fascinating about it was that the ride seemed to go on longer than expected. There was so much variety to what the ride did: bunnies, overbank, tunnels, "non-inverting corkscrew", etc. it just seemed like everything was packed into this ride. But for this, my first ride, I was a bit underwhelmed. Oh it was good, definitely top tier, but not "TEH B3ST COAS+3R ON THE PL@N3T!!!!!11111oneoneone". Call it anticipointment if you will. However, I think that it was just because it was early. Later rides, in the front again and in the back firmly planted this ride as my #1, not only in steel, but overall, even surplanting The Legend. Everytime riding it, when I was sufficiently happy with the ride experience, I realized there was still a significant portion of track left. Even T loved the coaster, not more than NITRO, I think, but if it isnt first in her book, it dmn sure aint third. Two Thumbs Up for one sweet ride. SONG: Bring me to Life - Evenescense Well, since we took the extra time to wait for the front, we missed out B:TDK reservation. No worry, we'd just saunter back over there and either reserve Mind Eraser and ride B:TDK or vice versa. Since the direction we walked took us by ME first, I spied that this line was short so be went to reserve B:TDK. Well q-bot basically gave us an instant ride time (based on the rules that you get a time +/- ten minutes) so we just hopped on: BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT (B&M 'floorless' looper 6.5/10) It pains me to score any B&M ride this low, but when compared to other loopers, this coaster was really average. Nothing stood out about the ride other than the lift seemed really steep and really short. There was a bit more vibration in the ride than most B&Ms and I dont remember the "roar" (is this one sand filled?). The ride wasnt *bad* by any stretch of the imagination, but neither was it outstanding. SONG: Torn - LeToya Since Q-bot gave us an instant ride on B:TDK, we wonder if the same thing would happen on ME. Guess what, it did. Instant Ride on, MIND ERASER (Vekoma SLC 5/10) I am really getting to the point where I will soon stop riding these coasters. While I love the ride from an asthetic standpoint (especially the heart-shaped 'rollover' thingy) I just dont have fun constantly bracing myself for the impending beating. The rides are compact and intense, but there is too much jerking going on. Maybe I'm getting weak, but I almost dread these rides. I did, however, finally teach my wife the proper "defensive riding technique" so neither of us had a headache. But we didnt want a re-ride either. SONG: Punks Jump Up to Get Beat Down - Brand Nubian We reserve a ride on Thunderbolt and take the down time to leisurely peruse the park. I should note that while the theming isnt much different in style from SFA, everything seemed more vibrant, more alive even, especially in the "North End" area which is home to the Bugs Bunny Land-type area. Ooh look, there is absolutely no line for: FLASHBACK (Vekoma boomerang 5/10) Now, I'm not a boomer hater, but I'm not a lover either. T, OTOH, actually likes boomerangs in general. Her eyes light up a bit when she sees one, though I think we agree that HersheyPark's is our favorite standard boomer. Again, I think I'm getting a bit weak as boomers are starting to make me see stars on the backwards vertical loop. But this coaster its low rank, not just beacuse it's a boomer but mostly because when the 2nd chain caught the train there was an extraordinaly harsh JOLT. I've never felt one grab that hard. That gave both of us a twinge of back pain. SONG: Why Ya Wanna - T.I. Well, a little more exploring and it's time for: THUNDERBOLT (Drambour Woodie 6.5/10) There's not much I can say about T-Bolt because, honestly, I dont remember much about the coaster. I wasnt good, it wasn't bad. It was just there. We rode near the front and later in the back. Both were fun, about on par with HP's Comet. It's a good "tune-up" ride, but I think I have long since passed what this ride offers on my coaster journey. SONG: So What - Field Mob In the distance, we spied Shapiro's baby, the spinning coaster which conicidently had the longest line that we had encountered so far. Q-bot gave us about a 45min wait so instead we rode: CYCLONE: (Cobb Woodie 7/10) T headed towards the back of the ride, but based on previous reports, I figured the ride would be too brutal in the back so we went towards the front. The ride was quite a bit rickety, but y'all know I dont mind that at all. Really, this first ride wasnt that great, certainly no better than the T-Bolt. However, Cyclone gets the extra point from our later backseat ride. The ride is indeed more violent in the back and it lets that be known right from the first drop. the ride bottomed out so hard that I had a moment of true FEAR. That's worth an extra point to me =]. SONG: Love Hurts - Everly Brothers (and many covers) We sat around watching the new Catapult (S&S Skyswatter) cycle as well as the Blizzard River but declined both. Just awaiting our reservation on: PANDEMONIUM (Gerstlauer Spinning Coaster 8/10) I guess I'vee been out of the loop but I didnt realize that this was much different from the Reverchon spinning mice. Most noticably is the Face/Off style seating and the mostly lack of hairpin turns. What really suprised me was that the tight helixes (helicies) had quite a bit of "oomph" to them. I can see why ol' Marky Mark wants to have one of these everywhere. Not only did we personally find the ride fun, but the line was packed most of the day. I guess it really is a hit with families. SONG: Family Affair - Sly and the Family Stone We next took their short sky ride to the front of the park. The funny thing about the skyride is that the cars lok extraordinarly like birdcages. Coincidently, we flew over a Loony Toons show and Tweety Bird just happened to be on stage (though Slyvester was nowhere to be found). SONG: The Tweety Song (I'm a sweet little birdie, within my cage/ Tweety's my name but I dont know my age./ I dont have to worry, and that is that/ I'm safe in here from that old puddy tat.) At this point, we grabbed a sack of Kettle Korn (T's confection of choice) and settled down to watch; TONY HAWK'S BOOM BOOM HUCK JAM (Skateboard/BMX/Moto-X expo 9/10). The show was really good. I'm not deep into the skater culture so the only performer I knew by name was Tony. But these boys were flying everywhere and the crowd was really into it. I still dont get the ever-present use of the "metal sign" as I know skaters used to be associated with punk not metal, but I'm getting old. It was cute though that many of the youngsters brought their decks to the park to get autographs. The only thing that kept this show from a ten - no female performers. Yes, I know the sports are male-dominated, but I think a female performer would have taken the show to the next level. SONG: Skater boy - Avril Lavigne We then ventured into the coyote Creek area and stumbled into their Opera House which was home to: HOUDINI'S GREAT ESCAPE (Vekoma Madhouse/Haunted Swing 8/10) Okay, I just love this ride. I have from the first moment I rode it in Jersey. I hope Mark Mark want to bring this ride (or some variant) to all the parks as this truly an "all ages" attraction. The movement is mild, but the illusion is terrific. The one thing that made this particular ride funnier was that on a previous ride, someone dropped some Skittles/M&Ms on the floor so as the ride moved you could hear the candy rolling around. SONG: Rock the House - Gorillaz Even though I was sick of driving based on the trip up there, we took a spin on: STAGECOACH BUMPER BUGGIES (Zamperla Bumper cars 7/10) These were your standard bumper cars that, unlike at Holiday World are *not* western themed. In fact, they has some psychadellic paint jobs and, IIRC, there was an (unused) strobe light and the attraction advertised fog (again unused). The ride itself was okay, though T got in the last hit as inertia carried her into me after the power was off (darn). Oh, the one thing that did stick out was that there were no poles on the cars, rather, I guess the floor was electrified. SONG: Aint Gonna Bump No More (with No Big Fat Woman) - Joe Tex The other show we saw was: ILLUSIONQUEST (Magic Show) It was your standard magic show fare. The highlight being that the magician asked my wife to assist him in the "disappearing ring" act. Fortunately, her engagement ring was back safe in our house, but the wedding band is no slouch either. Of course he didnt make it re-appear right away, but knowing they are just tricks, I restrained myself and didnt rough him up. Anyway, he made it reappear on the other side of the stage, inside a gumball machine (not sure how he did it). SONG: Illusion - Creed As for my overall impression of the park, it's not my favorite park overall, nor even my favorite SF park. But I'd rather have NE than SFA. Now really, SFA has better woodies, a more interesting Batman, and an inproved Boomer. But their S:ROS blows ours away and their theming is much better excuted. Both parks suffer from slow as hades operations. But at least the employees here were smiling and personable to the guests as opposed to SFA where they typically act like the guests are an unavoidable inconvience. I will note that the park was clean enough that I didnt notice any overflowing trash though I guess cause of the heat/humidity some of the stunk to high heaven. The bathrooms i guess were fine because I cant think anything about them. But the biggest of Shaprio's changes that I noticed were the characters. They literally were everywhere. In each of the areas there were toons or heroes waving/hugging/signing/picture-taking. The crowd seemed to get into. I was personally happy to see my favorite Looney Toon "Pepe Le Pew", though the really enthusiastic hug I got from the character was a bit "over" enthusiastic. Maybe skunks dont get much love =]. As to the crowds, I guess the threat of rain mostly kept them away. The two longest lines were for Pandemonium and S:ROS of less than an hour and to be honest, I think most of that time was due to slow ops rather than a mass of humanity. So I guess my $30 Flash Pass wasnt really needed. Overall, I give the park a 7.5/10. Not necessarily a destination park (aside from S:ROS of course), but a nice fun day at the park. There was plenty to do for all ages. The only thing that I really feel they lack is an indoor full-service restaurant. Just a personal opinion, but I think all park should have one. Even if not full service, you *must* have an air-conditioned eatery, IMHO. Well that's all folks! Next up Lake Compounce. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 07:34:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17520 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 14:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 14:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 14:34:15 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so3668465ugf for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr1110446ugh; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:31:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c6a3b0$0b967860$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=axk_yv_lKB57z4rsXKRdU4E8WXLX2wTEWJ5JNeIt1aMy5eWDvCqZ-_w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Surprise, surprise! Is it a demonstration that Snyder and Shapiro > have a very poor knowledge of the amusement park industry? From my > viewpoint, it has been clear since a long time that Six Flags had a > very bad reputation. Not at all. I think this is an indication that the Redzone guys thought it would be easy to fix the obvious problems with Six Flags - just as most enthusiasts did - and that the company would immediately turn around. The problem is that they fixed most of the problems but people still haven't come back. What they underestimated was how burned people really were by their previous visits. Cedar Fair encountered the same thing when they took over Geauga Lake and thought they could easily turn it around. It hasn't happened there either. > Is it a Six Flags' habit to blame guests for what is wrong, rather > than managers' way to manage an amusement park? I don't remind about > fights and other incidents at SFMM. What I did hear several times, > however, is that many rides - especially roller coasters - are often > closed or run with only one train. You also need to realize that you're an enthusiast and have a different perspective on the park than locals do. That's not to say that locals don't notice poor operations and slow-moving lines - I'm certain they do - but SFMM does have a reputation for rowdy and/or dangerous crowds, and I do think that keeps families away. That's not blaming the guests for the problems, though. It's blaming the former management for not cracking down on some serious security problems. > At La Ronde this year, I am not very impressed by the new Shapiro's > directives. The Super Man=E8ge, a Vekoma's corkscrew, has been closed > from the opening of the park to end of June, mechanical team being > unable to fix the problem. Other roller coasters run often with one > train despite long queues. La Ronde is a unique situation in that its maintenance workers are unionized and Six Flags has had a terribly difficult time exerting any sort of control over its maintenance department. If maintenance wants to run one train, that's what they're going to do. It was that way before and it's still that way for the same reasons. -Nate From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Jul 11 07:41:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25614 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 14:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 14:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 14:24:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 14:23:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 14:23:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:23:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Son of Beast : Cracked Wood May Have Caused Accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=JFfOExrubL5aULisB0lAN-zAaHzC3HOnlRCiHSmxsdu8YtASj3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/07/09/kings_island_ax.html Official: Cracked Wood May Have Caused Coaster Accident=20 Reported by: Lance Barry, 9News, Deb Silverman Web produced by: Neil Relyea, Mark Sickmiller Photographed by: Chic Poppe, Eric Clajus First posted: 7/9/2006 5:34:33 PM=20 Last updated: 7/10/2006 6:23:23 PM=20 Cracked and splintered wood may have caused the roller coaster=20 accident that injured 27 people at Kings Island Sunday afternoon,=20 according to a preliminary investigation.=20 The Department of Agriculture, along with state and industry experts=20 were investigating the wooden coaster "Son of Beast" on Monday,=20 trying to find out what caused a train full of passengers to jolt to=20 a halt around 4:45 p.m. Sunday.=20 Two people remained in the hospital Monday, suffering from injuries=20 described as not life-threatening. At least 25 others were treated=20 and released Sunday.=20 Monday's preliminary investigation revealed that timbers were cracked=20 and splintered on a downward hill about halfway through the ride. The=20 jolt happened shortly after the train passed over those faulty=20 timbers, 9News learned.=20 "Everything was fine until it felt like everything jammed forward,"=20 said Weldon Shaffer, who was on the "Son of Beast" when the accident=20 happened.=20 Structural damage causes ten percent of roller coaster accidents, a=20 public relations spokesperson told Channel 9's Deb Silverman.=20 Investigators still say they're not ruling any other causes out, such=20 as operator error.=20 "Son of Beast" has been closed since the accident and might remain=20 closed for as long as six weeks while the investigation continues.=20 Sunday at the park=20 The park remained open Sunday even though the ride had been shut=20 down. Empty cars could still be seen suspended on an incline going up=20 the roller coaster's track.=20 Witnesses say they saw the roller coaster stop with a "bump," like a=20 car coming to an abrupt stop.=20 Several rescue squads were called to the amusement park which is just=20 off I-71 in Warren County.=20 Dozens of EMS units from Hamilton and Warren counties as well as=20 local townships took people to Bethesda North Hospital in Montgomery=20 where the staff was on "high alert."=20 Seventeen riders had been released from hospitals within five hours=20 of the accident and at least one had been admitted with injuries that=20 weren't life-threatening, Maureen Kaiser, a spokeswoman for the park=20 said.=20 However, 9News learned that the people admitted were being kept at=20 the hospital overnight.=20 Twelve people were taken to Bethesda North Hospital and 10 were taken=20 to Bethesda Medical Center in Lebanon, said Mona Fuqua, a spokeswoman=20 for both hospitals.=20 Witnesses and park officials=20 While the ride has been shut down pending an inspection, Kings Island=20 officials are not commenting on why the ride was at first not=20 operational when the amusement park first opened Sunday morning.=20 "Why it didn't open directly with the park, I don't have the answer=20 to that," Kaiser said at the Sunday night press conference.=20 Some visitors claimed they experienced an abnormally bumpy ride even=20 before the ride's apparent malfunction Sunday afternoon.=20 "I know for a fact that our car jumped tracks," Frank Nitty, a park=20 visitor told 9News. "It jumped the tracks, we all jumped."=20 Kings Island has reportedly seen three malfunctions with the "Son of=20 Beast" roller coaster since it opened six years ago, but none this=20 serious.=20 The park filed a lawsuit against the ride's builder before it opened,=20 stating it was structurally unsound.=20 "Bumps and bruises"=20 "At this point, we're looking at bumps and bruises," she said.=20 Several others were taken to Mercy Hospital of Fairfield, a sheriff's=20 dispatcher said.=20 A nursing supervisor at the hospital declined to describe their=20 conditions or even confirm park patrons were brought there.=20 9News was told many of the passengers complained of head and neck=20 injuries.=20 Fastest wooden coaster on earth=20 The park's website describes the roller coaster as "the tallest,=20 fastest and only looping wooden coaster on the planet" that hurtles=20 down a 214-foot hill at more than 78 mph.=20 The coaster, more than 7,000 feet long, features a 118-foot tall=20 loop.=20 Kaiser said park officials have shut down the Son of Beast roller=20 coaster and are examining it.=20 Investigators with the Ohio Department of Agriculture's ride safety=20 division also were planning to examine the ride, she said.=20 Riders complained of discomfort after the coaster completed a circuit=20 and pulled back into the boarding area, said Kaiser.=20 The park's emergency staff tended to the riders and notified=20 authorities, Kaiser said.=20 A sheriff's office dispatcher said most had minor chest and neck=20 injuries.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 08:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12031 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:14:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:14:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:14:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=3fSx0b4DoiC_Oab6qk2xWFMPnJNv2pdsd33MzgpahoAQ3tA0P6acPeXJ3A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so out of sheer boredom and a reason to get out of the house, i=20 headed out to BGT sunday. got there around noon and the parking long=20 was probably about a little more than half full. since i knew it=20 would have the longest wait, i went to queue up at Sheikra.=20 the sign out front said about 40 minutes, but luckily thanks to good=20 ride ops, the line pretty much moved constantly. bravo for folks=20 doing a good job. since the line moved so fast, this time i waited=20 for a front row seat, which made all the difference. anyone who says this thing delivers no air is on crack. the drop was=20 intense with airtime, just like a drop tower. and the brakes hardly=20 grabbed at all before the second drop.=20 george, i now officially take back my prior review of this coaster=20 as "eh". i enjoyed the entire ride a lot more this time around. but=20 the front seat is the only option to really get the full enjoyment,=20 obviously. next i wondered over to the only other ride in the park i was really=20 jonesing for, Montu. along the way i checked out the snake area,=20 where they were showing off a good sized reticulated python for the=20 kids to pet. the park was pretty crowded, but everyone seemed pretty=20 spread out so it wasnt too bad. Montu's sign had a wait of 30 minutes, but apparently the sign hadnt=20 been adjusted in a while, because there was about a 10 minute wait=20 for anywhere but the front row, which looked to be 20 minutes at=20 best.=20 what can i say? its my fav inverted and it was flying with hardly=20 any brakes. just a great layout and a lot of fun, as always. no=20 complaints here, except for the slow ride ops. i still had a little time to run around, so i thought id ride=20 something that id been avoiding-Gwazi:Tiger. my first time at the=20 park a couple of years ago that side of Gwazi had been closed, so we=20 had rode Lion by default. it was one of the worst woodie rides id=20 ever had. so id been avoiding Tiger, expecting the same result. i queued up for Tiger, which had no wait for the back, whereas=20 across the station Lion looked to have about a 15 minute wait for=20 any row.=20 needless to say, my expectations were met. this thing shook horribly=20 to the point i thought most of my bones would come out of their=20 sockets. its sad that while the coaster looks awesome and the=20 themeing is nice, the ride sucks. glad im done with both sides of=20 Gwazi, cause theres no way im gonna ever ride it again. thanks to being tenderized by Tiger, i decided it was time to head=20 home. i do like Kumba, but at this point i just wasnt feeling it(or=20 much of anything for that matter). pretty good time overall. too bad i ended the day on the sour note=20 that is Gwazi.=20=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 08:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79166 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 15:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 15:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 15:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:26:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:26:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:26:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=t_mUPIi6lWyj1ICkmi23enT2FuMuIHWmhVgc9k0jC3jJcCco39CpHTesMA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bastienfred"=20 wrote: > > Is it a Six Flags' habit to blame guests for what is wrong, rather=20 > than managers' way to manage an amusement park? I don't remind=20 about=20 > fights and other incidents at SFMM. What I did hear several=20 times,=20 > however, is that many rides - especially roller coasters - are=20 often=20 > closed or run with only one train. ya know, BGT isnt located in the best part of tampa, neighborhood=20 wise, but they dont seem to have these problems. how is it they can=20 keep patrons in check but SF cant?!? i seem to recall SFOG isnt in a=20 great area either, but ive never really heard of any problems there=20 either.=20 these accusations that its the customers fault is just lame and is=20 doing nothing but shifting blame. whats odd is that if this area of=20 california is just sooo freaking dangerous, who the hell is going to=20 buy it for real estate, as SF seems to claim some development=20 company wants to do apparently?!? =20 > At La Ronde this year, I am not very impressed by the new=20 Shapiro's=20 > directives. The Super Man=E8ge, a Vekoma's corkscrew, has been=20 closed=20 > from the opening of the park to end of June, mechanical team being=20 > unable to fix the problem. Other roller coasters run often with=20 one=20 > train despite long queues. Women have reported to me that several=20 WC=20 > don't work. Some tables next to food area remain unclear and=20 > sometime disgusting. And don't forget that the ticket for a=20 single=20 > day admission has increased from 35$ to 41$ this year, and many=20 > families are not happy because the ticket for children is now=20 > available for people smaller than 54" rather than younger than 12=20 (so=20 > many children are younger than 12 but higher than 54"). [sarcasm]oh but im sure thats not the reason families arent going to=20 SF parks anymore. its cause of the GANGS, and the VIOLENCE!! its=20 their fault, not SF[/sarcasm]! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 08:46:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6323 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 15:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 15:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 15:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:19:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 15:19:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:19:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=wSLk2BO48Vwh0IxCbqcxc2WoODMrHR-Qd2Qq5Zj-FRQyevNSpy2Le7Ugsg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hey, >=20 > > Um, Point of clarification: The first flyer showed up at the=20=20 > > *other* Great America. So we can thank Paramount Parks for=20 that=20=20 > > one. =3D] >=20 > That's right .. I wasn't trying to limit myself to Six Flags ..=20=20 > Basically my point was that Cedar Fair hasn't moved the coaster=20=20 > industry forward at all, while everyone else has. i fail to see how both Xcelerator or TTD didnt move the coaster=20 industry forward(which SF went later to try and show them up with=20 Kinda). or how about MF, which was a breakthrough given its height=20 and unique pulley system? and wasnt Magnum the tallest coaster at=20 its time(this one im not sure about so im genuinely asking)?=20 arent these all things that moved the coaster industry forward in=20 one way or another?=20 From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 09:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68214 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 15:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 15:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.150) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 15:55:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 95476 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 15:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711155527.95472.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.31.57.154] by web51108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:55:26 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D265173-809F-4F26-B638-0871F668FA46@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Kennywood 7/8/2006 (Cliffs Notes Version) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=TfmDbBowQzQeAYh9VPItB80CPvtxXQ5pFlqx13g3oaJMuxCQ5R8Rvp5W X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cameron Silver wrote: Did you hit up the log flume? What about the Bayren Curve, is that back yet?? _._,___ Nope, we didn't hit up the log flume, as it had it's usual decent line when it gets warm out. Same with Raging Rapids. Bayern Kurve is nowhere in sight, Wipeout now occupies it's old spot. There are conflicting rumors that Kurve will return, but no one seems to have any concrete evidence either way. Your guess is as good as mine to if/when it will return. I'd love to see it happen, though. -Bryan --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jul 11 09:51:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12818 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 16:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 16:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.234) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 16:49:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24450 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2006 16:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 16:46:19 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G0LNL-00055a-2T for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:46:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:50:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=Fu20E2NF-VRtzcHLzjh6MnN3QXaGc_XIDo2jv05XYJ9tgwEFcnpv X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> Um, Point of clarification: The first flyer showed up at the >>> *other* Great America. So we can thank Paramount Parks for > that >>> one. =] >> >> That's right .. I wasn't trying to limit myself to Six Flags .. >> Basically my point was that Cedar Fair hasn't moved the coaster >> industry forward at all, while everyone else has. > > i fail to see how both Xcelerator or TTD didnt move the coaster > industry forward(which SF went later to try and show them up with > Kinda). or how about MF, which was a breakthrough given its height > and unique pulley system? and wasnt Magnum the tallest coaster at > its time(this one im not sure about so im genuinely asking)? > > arent these all things that moved the coaster industry forward in > one way or another? If Magnum wasn't the tallest coaster when it opened, it definitely started the hypercoaster craze... which is the reason I said that it might be an exception in one of the other e-mails I sent. Even though it didn't really happen 'til half a decade later when CF decided to put Morgans hypercoasters in most of their parks, Magnum was the first concept of it. Xcelerator was unique, and CF was behind it, but it didn't go in at CP... heh Other than that though, I'd say TTD and the MF lift aren't incredibly innovative. The MF lift was good, but its more just a different implementation on the Intamin 1st generation freefall lifts, if I remember how they work. The coaster as a whole though is just a bigger version of Magnum with a little more twisty layout. TTD, on the other hand, I'd say has actually been detrimental to the industry. CP spent however much money on it, and then SFGAd for some reason decided to follow suit, so 50-60 million has been blown on two enormous launched rides that have failed to work properly. And both are basically both just bigger versions of Xcelerator, with less layout. (On a side note, having a huge ride that doesn't do much and fails to work properly has already been done in the industry with STE.) But I think that money could've been better spent elsewhere instead, on something a little more innovative, or even something that works consistently, which is why I think they haven't moved the industry forward. Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 10:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67028 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 17:26:35 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p48so490045nfa for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr2282739hud; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607111007s521ab6b5y292cc44101001302@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:07:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=nKPo0m_0nBcTmdesHS9nlKJDZGX4EY3cj7PNyAcMiy36UFE X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "If Magnum wasn't the tallest coaster when it opened, it definitely > started the hypercoaster craze... which is the reason I said that it > might be an exception in one of the other e-mails I sent. Even > though it didn't really happen 'til half a decade later when CF > decided to put Morgans hypercoasters in most of their parks, Magnum > was the first concept of it." > Not really. Even Kinzel credits Bandit as being the brain nugget for Magnum. A 1990 "Funworld" article read: "Roller coasters have been inching up in height during the past decade, but Cedar Point's awesome $8-million Magnum XL-200 represents a quantum leap. Built by Arrow in 1989, this Sandusky, Ohio, monster is the world's tallest coaster, period. It towers 205 feet above the Lake Erie shoreline. Benignly described as an "out-and-back" coaster, it's anything but your typical trip to the corner grocery. You'll find your stomach in your throat as you plunge 195 feet at a 60-degree angle, reaching a coaster-record speed of 72 m.p.h. "It's a real fast coaster," Toomer smiles, "fast all the way." Speed is what Magnum is all about, a refugee from the Bonneville Salt Flats. The second hill is 156 feet, almost twice the height of the classic Coney Island Cyclone. The 5,160-foot layout doglegs to the left to fit a sliver of land, loops around, then races for home. With Magnum, Cedar Point now offers nine coasters, more than any other park on the continent. "Coasters are what the public wants and it brings them back," explains Richard L. Kinzel, Cedar Point's president and CEO. He believes that Magnum represents "the ultimate coaster." Kinzel says the Bandit in Yomiyuriland, Tokyo, Japan, was the inspiration for Magnum. It was when he was watching a cable TV news show covering the 1988 opening of the Bandit that he saw a member of the American Coaster Enthusiasts (ACE) being interviewed. "He raved about the ride," recalled Kinzel. "It was just a fast ride, one of the best coasters he had ever been on." Built by Togo Japan, Inc., the Bandit is 167 feet high and 5052 feet long. It features a 540-degree rising horizontal spiral, a top speed of 68 m.p.h., and a butter- smooth ride." Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 10:35:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5692 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 17:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 17:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 17:35:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 66654 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 17:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711173518.66652.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.249.7] by web53107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:35:18 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org, Dave Anderson , Rich Boehmer MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Whalom officially dead X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uUrQH-My6BnNQAoU2iIvSxhCktUg-kPqODT_0BIlOvhko4GTPktV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received the following from Allyson Bowen. Whalom Park is now officially history. === Thank you to all those from Lunenburg and the surrounding communities who made phone calls and came out to the Lunenburg Town Meeting last Tuesday night. Thank you to those from across Massachusetts and around the country who sent your encouragement and support. Unfortunately, Article 8 - to take the former Whalom Park property by eminent domain - did not pass. The previous article, Article 7, which was to take just the Whalom lakefront property along Lakefront Road, fell short of the 2/3 majority needed by 38 votes. It proved to be a red herring and Article 8 was subsequently voted down by larger margin in a voice vote. John T. Callahan of Global Property Developers Corp out of Bridgewater, MA has all of the permits in place and is set to proceed with a 240 unit condominium development on the 25 acre property. The Lunenburg Historical Commission has placed a six-month demolition delay on four of the structures on the property: the carousel house, the Lufkin house and two Victorian era cottages. Unfortunately, a demolition permit was granted for the c. 1905 skating rink which with the rink at Oaks Park in Portland, Oregon, is one of the two oldest in the country. If you have an interest in any of these structures, please contact Rebecca Lantry, chair of the Lunenburg Historical Commission at rlantry@lunenburgonline.com, or the Town of Lunenburg at 978-582-4131. Here's to 108 years of having a Whale of a Time at Whalom Park! Hold on to all those family photographs and fun memories! Sincerely, Allyson Bowen --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 11 10:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83873 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BDoIPd021030 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0ad701c6a4f0$f8ef5aa0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c6a476$89487080$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:50:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: A MUST READ RE: SFI, SFMM AND HOW THEY ARE DOING IN CUSTOMER SATISFACTION X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=AkwVqlg2-k5tW1fM1aZBxPBv_7y-oz2feLKxy_CaXdWZ2_xq-DiCSNwDrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Interesting that they focus on SFMM here in this national press release and point out how the park is improved in all the areas that caused them to think of selling it in the first place, overall safe atmosphere and a focus on family attractions and entertainment. Makes me think my wild theory about never intending to sell the park at all is holding true. ----- Original Message ----- From: "THUNDER7NYFL" To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: A MUST READ RE: SFI, SFMM AND HOW THEY ARE DOING IN CUSTOMER SATISFACTION > http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-guest-approval-ratings-at-five/n20060710150309990014 > > > Joe > Tampa, FL > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 10:51:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67119 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 17:47:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 17:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 17:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 17:45:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:45:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=GDHN9WxEnqJ_NTmqWc-E1VkYVMjbOKu_lZIP5FQAp8MEBdrcA04w X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > these accusations that its the customers fault is just lame and is=20 > doing nothing but shifting blame. whats odd is that if this area=20 > of california is just sooo freaking dangerous, who the hell is=20 > going to buy it for real estate, as SF seems to claim some=20 > development company wants to do apparently?!? Actually, Magic Mountain is in a fairly nice area. Most of the=20 housing is pretty new, it's popular with families, lots of big=20 commercial development, etc. The local vicinity is actually more=20 upscale than Disneyland or Knott's. I can assure you that real- estate demand is high and that the economic pressure is real. The=20 issue is with the customers in the park, not with the local area.=20 The park draws customers from all over Southern California, but I=20 would guess that the bulk of the teenage season pass holders live in=20 the San Fernando Valley. One point along these lines that I don't recall being mentioned is=20 that long queues exacerbate crowd-control problems. With SFMM, it's=20 a case where improved ride operations could help cut down on=20 security issues. And as for that customer-satisfaction survey press-release, I think=20 it's pretty obvious that it's nothing but a feel-good PR move=20 commissioned by some execs who wanted some upbeat numbers to present=20 to stockholders. What did the survey show guests thought needed=20 improvement? What sort of scales were used? What sampling methods?=20 How do the results compare with previous years or with other parks?=20 Etc. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 11:02:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91339 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 17:49:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:49:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-8HuVYx4tKUC3HQSnyY3MCyniFj1sqHMIGnCdciw9mVsIs1QR3WB X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > TTD, on the other hand, I'd say has actually been detrimental to=20 > the industry. CP spent however much money on it, and then SFGAd=20 > for some reason decided to follow suit, so 50-60 million has been=20 > blown on two enormous launched rides that have failed to work=20 > properly. And both are basically both just bigger versions of=20 > Xcelerator, with less layout. Just wondering, what do you guys think accounts for Excelerator's=20 success and good maintenance history compared to TTD and Kingda Ka? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 11:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12240 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 66964 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2006 17:59:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060711175900.66958.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.249.7] by web53110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:59:00 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:59:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: A MUST READ RE: SFI, SFMM AND HOW THEY ARE DOING IN CUSTOMER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uoTxbQeZNCtIolZ4zh8-Q3rOXeHj-kdfiD6rBugPKnnKQbMGPNKd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember that Six Flags has a partnership with Time/Warner, which is still = attached to AOL. The "survey" really isn't explained very well at all. Th= e article strikes me more like an advertisement for the parks, rather than = "news." Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 11:15:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47040 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:15:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:14:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:14:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:14:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=dwggsl3fRny_v5-73Q8DZAz-tOjYMcHz9Am6V8zj_xg2xloXgpsYRMC0XA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > Xcelerator was unique, and CF was behind it, but it didn't go in at=20=20 > CP... heh ah, but what was originally said was "Basically my point was that=20 Cedar Fair hasn't moved the coaster industry forward at all, while=20 everyone else has." which is why i included Xcelerator.=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 11:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1278 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:20:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:20:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Quick TR: Manhattan Express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=SmJcKKsykA4F7jU1Kycg6LuBBBj4cnEhwAxPMKeJhRYACm4h3KHG X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani So, yesterday I was in Las Vegas for just a single day and decided=20 to bite the bullet and try the Manhattan Express at the New York New=20 York hotel, which I'd never been on before. Single rides were=20 $12.50, which, while still being way overpriced, is less than the=20 $15.00 they were charging the last time I checked, a year or two ago. I went on at about 5:30 in the afternoon, and it was essentially a=20 walk-on, although they didn't have any problems filling the trains.=20 I understand the old trains had standard fixed OTSRs, but now the=20 restraints were height-adjustable, so that was nice. Despite all the=20 reports of the ride being so rough as to be painful, I didn't have=20 any discomfort problems, so unless I'm just a weirdo impervious to=20 pain, they've improved in that regard. Mind you I never rode it with=20 the old trains. The seatbacks are pretty high, which since I was=20 sitting towards the back meant that I couldn't see the track in=20 front of us at all, essentially riding "blind," which is pretty cool. The layout of this ride is actually pretty fun, with a variety of=20 different elements. Location-wise, I love how it passes around the=20 simulated skyline of the hotel and gives a broad view of the strip.=20 The twist-and-dive maneuver is a neat sensation, one that I would=20 like to see more of. It finishes up with some bunny hills and a=20 helix. So what's the problem? The problem is that there's very little=20 sensation of speed aside from the first drop or two. While not=20 painfully so, it's still a rough ride that seems to lose a lot of=20 energy with every foot of rumbling track it passes over. Midway=20 through, there's a heavy trim brake that slows the train even more.=20 A big steel coaster like this should feel fast and smooth; instead=20 it just lumbers through its course. I'm not sure what the real=20 culprit is; it feels like it was just engineered and/or built on the=20 cheap. It's a shame, really; with its location and size it really=20 could have been a great coaster. I'll take Desperado at Wild Bill's=20 any day over this one. Speed: The Ride over the the Sahara is also=20 pretty darn good for a one-trick-pony. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 11 11:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31274 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:29:06 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6BIRsNU028121 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:27:54 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:27:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70113599-E11D-4E0F-B2D2-E5890F7972C7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:27:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 18:27:54.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9C2F3B0:01C6A517] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=oIQRXDv_Oxxf-tjWyhjggcHmoYY7cEreT56rpRNm3RwZ4n7L X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Just wondering, what do you guys think accounts for Excelerator's > success and good maintenance history compared to TTD and Kingda Ka? Personally I think it's just a smaller ride, so a less intense launch (on the actual hardware, not on the riders). Storm Runner and Rita have both been more-or-less trouble-free too. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** There's no place * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** like 127.0.0.1 * / //\ ******************************************************************** \ >> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 11 11:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57594 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:28:50 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6BISd6P018406 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:39 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060711155527.95472.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060711155527.95472.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9643CD61-A04D-47F7-B1F5-95049612AA22@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 18:28:39.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47B2970:01C6A517] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Kennywood 7/8/2006 (Cliffs Notes Version) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=x6CukQ3b6DJls5yTRp51NuQ8C6CacWFqIB16g3EdKa5M-H50 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, > Bayern Kurve is nowhere in sight, Wipeout now occupies it's old > spot. There are conflicting rumors that Kurve will return, but no > one seems to have any concrete evidence either way. Your guess is > as good as mine to if/when it will return. I'd love to see it > happen, though. Oh man, I'd be seriously bummed if it didn't return. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 11:48:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71147 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 18:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 18:22:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:22:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=F1V5A7D79NHtbh9y6wtdN4LRCxZ0TSVZI7VBFzm4kri3-DV9AFzUO-8ZCw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > Actually, Magic Mountain is in a fairly nice area. Most of the=20 > housing is pretty new, it's popular with families, lots of big=20 > commercial development, etc. The local vicinity is actually more=20 > upscale than Disneyland or Knott's. I can assure you that real- > estate demand is high and that the economic pressure is real. The=20 > issue is with the customers in the park, not with the local area.=20 > The park draws customers from all over Southern California, but I=20 > would guess that the bulk of the teenage season pass holders live=20 in=20 > the San Fernando Valley. and again, getting locals from all sorts of surrounding areas with=20 season passes is something all parks deal with. why is it such an=20 issue at SFMM? look, all parks attact teenagers(with the exception=20 of possible disney, which sorry, but most teens would take IOA over=20 WDW), both good ones and bad. and they attract folks who are=20 upstanding citizens, and those that are not too. i just dont see how=20 its the fault of the consumer and not the park.=20 >=20 > One point along these lines that I don't recall being mentioned is=20 > that long queues exacerbate crowd-control problems. With SFMM,=20 it's=20 > a case where improved ride operations could help cut down on=20 > security issues. huh, never thought about that. again, the parks fault though.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 12:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26383 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 19:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 19:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 19:09:21 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so4327263ugc for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr1384602ugh; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:08:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Rg8rtWdynrNvnwNbIN4nNAYpWIFeWelyF_htyk2-SiVWoKoDiox2Lkk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > look, all parks attact teenagers(with the exception > of possible disney, which sorry, but most teens would take IOA over > WDW), both good ones and bad. and they attract folks who are > upstanding citizens, and those that are not too. i just dont see how > its the fault of the consumer and not the park. It's not, and I don't think the article implied that it was. I took it to read as saying "Families are not coming to SFMM because of the rowdy teenage crowd that is present here that the old management did NOTHING to curb." They're blaming the old management for letting security get out of whack, not the consumers. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 11 12:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9549 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BJGlv8012122 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5L5zXw6_cOc-bBiYZespVdD_VZl3ZWkrDmWo-tOca9SG610LKrnrr1JpLg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> look, all parks attact teenagers(with the exception >> of possible disney, which sorry, but most teens would take IOA over >> WDW), both good ones and bad. and they attract folks who are >> upstanding citizens, and those that are not too. i just dont see how >> its the fault of the consumer and not the park. > > It's not, and I don't think the article implied that it was. I took > it to read as saying "Families are not coming to SFMM because of the > rowdy teenage crowd that is present here that the old management did > NOTHING to curb." They're blaming the old management for letting > security get out of whack, not the consumers. Of course, when the park did really try to beef up security, what happened? They got SUED for Racial Profiling. You just can't win these days. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 13:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88880 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 19:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 19:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 19:30:30 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so4486830ugf for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr1396634ugl; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:29:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_hIqOX_YRpg_rmPF0lj30wFeKJDUwauWnWU4iJ-lX5qkI7t3xnb57nk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Of course, when the park did really try to beef up security, what happened? > They got SUED for Racial Profiling. > You just can't win these days. I think you can pretty easily increase security without racial profiling. It's all a matter of how your policies are enforced. Race should never be a determining factor. -Nate From serpmage@juno.com Tue Jul 11 13:39:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1345 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 20:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 20:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 20:25:29 -0000 Received: from webmail23.lax.untd.com (webmail23.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.163]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCMJCKMA5JALRJ for (sender ); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail23.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LU2BAKTM; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:01 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail23.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:24:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:24:35 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060711.132501.2325.396379@webmail23.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2890946011 X-MAIL-INFO:48002d0821010c21bda5014c0c4cc9cce9783c9cd56c55e15d78e95865a1e52155 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAIEZOzufvvHcxbATxnZA0TlwPpilY6fD+w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.163|webmail23.lax.untd.com|webmail23.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=2LQdSyXiWVQpg8CrnDeqq33g2N8nzR6c66evVwM-IS7_O2hUcA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >> Just wondering, what do you guys think accounts for Excelerator's >> success and good maintenance history compared to TTD and Kingda Ka? > >Personally I think it's just a smaller ride, so a less intense=20 >launch=20 >(on the actual hardware, not on the riders). Storm Runner and Rita=20 >have both been more-or-less trouble-free too. From and engineering standpoint, I'd say that is probably right on=20 the money. From what I understand of the systems and the majority of=20 failures TTD and KingdaKa have had, I'd have to say that these rides=20 are having problems as a result of poor engineering on Intamin's part=20 more than anything else. Haven't both coasters had to replace their=20 launch cable, and KingaKa has has a train jump the tracks? The=20 launch systems probably aren't significantly different from one=20 installation to the next, and Intamin was likely banking on their=20 factor of safety being big enough that the higher impulse and speeds=20 wouldn't be a factor. It's tough to blame failures that send people=20 to the hospital on brand new rides on park maintenence.=20=20 Of course the other possibility is that Intamin did a great job=20 engineering the smaller coasters and the parks said that they wanted=20 bigger versions but didn't want to pay the engineering required to=20 properly scale up the systems. At the end of the day though, it boils down to my inpression being=20 that the larger rides were under-engineered regardless of who's=20 decision it was to not pay that cost. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 11 13:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63516 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 20:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 20:43:17 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BK8bXc022959 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c001c6a525$d2b94cd0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:08:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Quick TR: Manhattan Express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=sciqz3bIBLHzLwvB8NRDjtYqI06cyp2K-00bhgd42UBV3lCaCjjWZL5CJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "adamnvillani" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Quick TR: Manhattan Express >>So, yesterday I was in Las Vegas for just a single day Adam, did you happen to notice is Speed: The Ride was operating? It seems that most of the Premier Rides coasters at Six Flags parks are closed following the incident on The Chiller. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 11 14:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75490 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BL8oKn029090 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012d01c6a52e$3ce1d6b0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:09:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=bto_obDMazvXTFa5X4t5dmqr6MjD-nWGru0BiOQHee68IvzupgqEo_OzWw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Of course, when the park did really try to beef up security, what >> happened? >> They got SUED for Racial Profiling. >> You just can't win these days. > > I think you can pretty easily increase security without racial > profiling. It's all a matter of how your policies are enforced. Race > should never be a determining factor. As I mentioned elsewhere, each park has it's own unique problems, unique to their own demographics. The "rowdy teen" factor at SFMM is the LA gang banger problem, and when they apparently tried to crack down on it, the park was taken to court. Every park's security force is going to be familiar with the local area's unique security problems. After having a few gang related stabbings/shootings they obviously want to beef up security on this issue, but look where it got them. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 14:46:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94035 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 21:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 21:46:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 21:46:12 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so877ugc for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr364ugi; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:46:11 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012d01c6a52e$3ce1d6b0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <012d01c6a52e$3ce1d6b0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=lJvMcDkosZEn4NxTee7u_ve8D7z-rZA84573vej4szjYXHATSOGQ-iU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > As I mentioned elsewhere, each park has it's own unique problems, unique to > their own demographics. > The "rowdy teen" factor at SFMM is the LA gang banger problem, and when they > apparently tried > to crack down on it, the park was taken to court. And as I mentioned before, you can increase security without being racist about it. I don't know the specifics of the case, or whether or not there was racial profiling going on, but if there was it was wrong. If it wasn't, well, then Six Flags shouldn't have had anything to worry about. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22347 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 21:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 21:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 21:34:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 21:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 21:34:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2006 21:34:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:34:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c001c6a525$d2b94cd0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Quick TR: Manhattan Express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=tc8Gf4vVa58u0t8dl2zHlmBbs1jqUMCxqKaOTP1yTzJvPLUHF0rb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > >>So, yesterday I was in Las Vegas for just a single day >=20 > Adam, did you happen to notice is Speed: The Ride was operating? > It seems that most of the Premier Rides coasters at Six Flags=20 > parks are closed following the incident on The Chiller. Hm, I didn't think to check. My time in Vegas was limited, so I only=20 checked out the big coaster I hadn't been on (I also still haven't=20 been to the Adventuredome). I drove up from L.A. by myself Sunday=20 night, and then drove back again Monday night, all after having=20 flown in from Indianapolis on Sunday morning. I was in Vegas to try=20 out for Who Wants to be a Millionaire and had to be back for work=20 today. Incidentally, I passed the written test for the show (both=20 for the general version and for a special movie-themed week) and=20 should find out in a couple of weeks if they decid to put me in the=20 contestant pool. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Jul 11 15:34:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83103 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-02.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.12) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 22:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21365 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2006 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-151-136.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.151.136] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G0Qg7-0000z5-16 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:26:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <812F4D18-C4BB-4021-A6F3-D8F7144A3D9F@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:29:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.151.136 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cedar Point Rumors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=9WWNtAQQfyMuxwqwQbhuNx72lTJyhvGwvKIQrloh8o1lsppG7cJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike > wrote: >> TTD, on the other hand, I'd say has actually been detrimental to >> the industry. CP spent however much money on it, and then SFGAd >> for some reason decided to follow suit, so 50-60 million has been >> blown on two enormous launched rides that have failed to work >> properly. And both are basically both just bigger versions of >> Xcelerator, with less layout. > > Just wondering, what do you guys think accounts for Excelerator's > success and good maintenance history compared to TTD and Kingda Ka? Xcelerator launches to 82 mph, TTD and Kingda Ka launch to ~125mph. I'd say 95% of the problems are related just to that. Vehicular drag and velocity are in a quadratic relationship, as are energy and velocity. So you need about 2 times more energy (without the air resistance) just to get up to the launch speed, even though the vehicle is only going 50% faster. And its probably closer to 2.5-3x or so more energy when you include air and other forms of resistance into the equation. Intamin probably didn't design their system well enough to deal with that enormous increase when making the jump from Xcelerator to TTD, so it's not very reliable and fails a lot. I don't want to open up a can of worms, but Intamin isn't the most solid company engineering wise, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that they can't reliably scale up a system that's mildly complicated. I mean... they have trouble designing roller coaster support structures, which isn't really that complicated, unless you just graduated college... they're not incredibly dynamic and you don't really have weight constraints. Mike From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 11 15:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4279 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 22:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 22:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 22:44:36 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BM3VkT008803 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012101c6a535$e04006e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <012d01c6a52e$3ce1d6b0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=PtyXHjSIIgabmXK8-Aa9bBzhHaYd3oQoeLK3o600h0hmbC9ALOCiJQ7vXg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> As I mentioned elsewhere, each park has it's own unique problems, unique >> to >> their own demographics. >> The "rowdy teen" factor at SFMM is the LA gang banger problem, and when >> they >> apparently tried >> to crack down on it, the park was taken to court. > > And as I mentioned before, you can increase security without being > racist about it. I don't know the specifics of the case, or whether > or not there was racial profiling going on, but if there was it was > wrong. If it wasn't, well, then Six Flags shouldn't have had anything > to worry about. I don't know the specifics either, and unless you worked security at the park then, I doubt anyone will ever know what really went down, but you can't tell me that the park security only focused on African-Americans and no one else in that time period when they were busted for racial profiling. It's just that there were enough complaints who hired a good enough lawyer to win the case. It doesn't prove the park did it though, only that the court decission (not sure if it was a judge or jury case) went against the park and now they have to be more mellow about park security in fear of having another lawsuit filed against them, because they'll probably lose any further cases because of the "history" of past offenses. Sounds kind of like the LAPD I guess... From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 22:50:27 2006 X-Deleted-Message: yes From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 23:49:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47935 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 06:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 06:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 06:49:09 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so152982uge for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr299808ugg; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:48:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012101c6a535$e04006e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014301c6a51e$953bbd40$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <012d01c6a52e$3ce1d6b0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <012101c6a535$e04006e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Z2Np0_YKBVwyKdTBdzNT9zbgLm2qLntPIHh1bhpYaPWZoAdmUQfFzPE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I don't know the specifics either, and unless you worked security at the > park then, > I doubt anyone will ever know what really went down, but you can't tell me > that the > park security only focused on African-Americans and no one else in that time > period > when they were busted for racial profiling. And how do you know that? On one hand you tell me that I couldn't know what happened unless I worked there. Then on the other, you proceed to tell me what "must have happened." Here's what pisses me off about the whole thing. Every time something like this happens, people jump all over it as if racism doesn't exist in this country any more. Newsflash: it does. You're coming out with a big assumption that racial profiling DIDN'T happen and that those who brought the lawsuit upon Six Flags just made that up. But how do you know? I'm not necessarily taking one side or the other, but I do feel that if Six Flags was enforcing park security in a fair manner, than they wouldn't have anything to worry about. The fact that Six Flags seems to have lost the case seems to suggest that such profiling DID, in fact, occurr since those who DID have the facts made that decision. I'm tired of people jumping to conclusions about the media, our legal system, etc when they don't have all of the information. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 06:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17542 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 13:43:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:43:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=EH9ZSfmU3-iDQG54pVTMb9jZ-JxXKrFN_tesnZFPKIj0pjyBdq8AvH7yIg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Here's what pisses me off about the whole thing. Every time=20 something > like this happens, people jump all over it as if racism doesn't exist > in this country any more. Newsflash: it does. i dont see how anyone can say racial profiling doesnt exist. just look=20 what happened to people that were of middle eastern decent(or just=20 looked middle eastern) after 9/11.=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 08:15:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71241 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 15:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 15:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 15:15:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 95926 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 15:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060712151518.95924.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:15:17 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:15:17 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: TR: Lake Compounce 7-3-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=6iWRaS4MEOJUfw1MNNYK1Au_X3RoKg3rVhgVBcp4jIawuIW1 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Who: Me and Lady T What: First visit to Lake Compounce When: Monday July 3 Where: LC (no-duh) Why: New experience How: Automobile Again, there will be random song titles peppered throught the TR After a quite satisfying day at SFNE, we planned to visit Lake Compounce the next day. While strolling thru our hotel's lobby, we found a brochure for LC that also contained a map with listing of the major attractions. I awake Monday to find that Lady T did not pack a bathing suit, but would like to stop at Kohl's to pick up a "disposable" (i.e. not a great, but good enough to get by) swimsuit and take advantage of LC's waterpark. This slightly took me aback as,(begin stunning revelation) I've never been to a waterpark (/end stunning relevation). I got close once in Texas (Schlitterbahn) but passed at the last moment to to fatigue. No big deal though, as I *had* brought my swimming trunks the shorts are just terribly comfortable and I wear them as regular shorts all the time). So we stop by the same Denny's for breakfast and I go to the nearby AAA office to score the discount LC tickets while T goes into Kohl's (conviently, all three were in the same plaza). I catch up with her as she has found a nice "tankini" (which rung up at only 12bucks! due to mislabeling), purchase some beach towels and head off to the park. Again, I'm not familiar at all with the area so I had, beforehand, went to LC's website and got the "personalized directions". Well, the directions dont actually take you to the park *proper*. More like the directions lead you to a *SIGN* for the park, which you can then follow a series of signs to the parking toll booths. The best analogy I can give is being given directions to Cedar Point, but those directions end at the entrance to the causeway. We pull up to the toll booth to pay our 5 dollar fee to park in a raggedy gravel lot(!), but for some reason, there are a whole bunch of people waiting to get in honking and generally being impatient. I still dont know why, as the kids taking the cash were working at a decent pace. Unfortunatly, they were out of change when I tried to pay with a twenty. So, instead of waiting I gave the girl 2 Washingtons and 3bucks worth of change. We get our maps, are ushered to a parking spot (all parks should have parking ushers!), and take the (not so short) hike to the main gate; pausing only for a mandatory pit stop and to lather up with sunscreen (yes, black people use sunscreen too :)). I'll say this now, even though I didnt notice it till the end, the Main Gate area of the park is really nice. It reminds me of a castle facade with a clock tower and dancing dolls. Also, the Wilcat coasters 1st hill is lined up right with the tower and the DownTime (S&S Turbo Drop) is *almost* lined up with them as well. And of course, you have the hill/mountain as a backdrop. Not a bad first impression of the park....too bad for me I completely missed it coming in as the morning coffee was begging to get out! So we grab on of the big all day lockers, stow our gear,and I ask T, "What first?" She said (not me mind you) Boulder Dash. Great....okay, how do we get there? The layout of LC is a bit strange. The best way I can describe it is an elongated oval with an extension on either side. Kinda reminds me of a Texas Longhorns logo. On our way around, we pass the Wildcat coaster, but T urges me to press on. With a little jaunt up the hill, we find ourselves in line for: BOULDER DASH: (CCI Woodie 9.25/10) It was about an hour after opening (maybe less) and the line seemed short to me. I noticed they were only running one train, but that was okay. The line itself is kinda weird as it has a split between front and back halves of the train...but the split is about 25 feet from where the sign *explainng* the reason for the split is. This caused a little confusion amoung guests. Not us though as we headed straight for the front seat. The ride was fast, likely perceived as faster than it really is due to the close terrain, but not very aggressive. Much like S:ROS from the day before, I thought it was good, top tier good, but not "T3H r0xorz!!!!11one". T, OTOH, liked it very much. She mentioned that she didnt know whether she liked BD more than Lightning Racer or not. As the day progressed, they added the second train. We took a mid-day ride towards the back and then another front-seat ride and you could feel the diference between the two. The front was a smooth affair without a hint of roughness while the back rumbled across a couple of potholes. I remember having the concious thought that the coaster was very well cared for, though apparently, there are some who disagree :). By nightfall, BD was bookin'! Since LC closed at 10pm that night, we got some true night rides in. On out first "dark ride' we took a front seater and started laughing as soon as we engaged the lift chain as it was so dark due to nightfall and the canopy of trees that you couldnt even see the crest. Boulder Dash is a great airtime filled ride with *just* enough lateral movement to keep you guessing. I've never ridden a woodie with a better sensation of speed throughout the ride (2nd half of Raven is close) and it's a top tier ride for me. At the end of the day, I'll still take The Legend's aggression and while BD may by measureable standards be *better* than Lightning Racer, LR is still slightly more *funner* (and definitely prettier with the chaser lights). After that though, BD holds its own with all the other woodies I've ridden. SONG: Rocky Mountain High - John Denver Back to a more chronological order, we left BD after that first ride and backtracked to: WILDCAT (Schmeck-designed/Summers & Dinn rebuilt Woodie 6.5/10) I just now, while writing this TR, checked RCDB for the pedigree of this ride and the feel of the coaster makes perfect sense in light of this lineage. The coaster, in appearance is very similar to SFNE's Thunderbolt. One thing that struck me here was no airgates. Rather, they just have Wild Wild West style swinging doors between the riders and the train. They also only let in a trainload of people at a time into the boarding station. We we lucky enough to score the backseat on our first ride (later, we were lucky to score the front seat 2/2!). The ride in the backseat was rough, shuffly, and just an all-around not good experience. Sure, there was air on the first drop, but that was about the last reedeming moment of the ride. The rest was characteristic "Dinn shuffle". I'll admit, it was too painful, but it reminded me of Raging Wolf Bobs, the moments when it didnt shuffle, it didnt do *anything*. So why the so high score? Because of the later front seat ride. Like night and day, this coaster brought out the traits of both its creators. Though we werent in the "Schmeck Seat"(TM- Adam S.), we still got the nce pops and gentle float the you often find on his rides. No violent pops like on Dorney Parks Thunderbolt, but good enough to be fun. On par with HersheyPark's Comet. SONG: Beauty and the Beast - Celine Dion & Peabo Bryson I think I'll mention here that they seemed to have a bunch of "Street Performances" just inside the maingate throughout the day. I saw one "Grease"-type 50's show, a juggling unicyclist, and a 'dance off' where they were trying to teach kids the electric slide. This was particularly funny as most people I know learned the electric slide at an early age due to going to weddings/anniversaries with their parents. Maybe that's a 'cultral difference' ;). Anyway, we bypass the roving street acts to encounter: ZOOMERANG (Vekoma Boomerang 7/10) This is more the common rating I'll give to boomers. This one was relatively smooth, using the roomier Vekoma trains as opposed to the Arrow trains. There was virtually no head movement and the 2nd chain engaged smoothly. But I am definitely getting weak as, once again, I was seeing stars and losing vision in the backwards loop. Nowhere near losing conciousness, I think, but still strange. maybe I'll just blame it on the heat (and delude myself). SONG: Stars Are Blind- Paris Hilton (I had to sneak her in somewhere) With this, we grabbed some free soda and settled down to watch one of the LC Shows: CIRQUE EN VOL (Aerobatic exposition 7.5/10) First off, LC ought to be ashamed of themselves for having a bleacher viewing area with absolutely *NO* shade anywhere. Even more strange is that even with their "free soda" policy, they set up a lemonade cart at the shows entrance and were charging 3bucks.....and actually sold some! WTF?!? As for the show, the performers were some very energetic Quebequois who all had a "hip-hop" swagger to them. The show was mostly tumbling mixed with trampoline tricks. Points must be taken off because there were a few drops in the juggling exchances, but as I could even get close to what they were doing, I'll cut some slack. Also, a half point extra because this show *did* have a female performer. The show wasnt quite on the level of La Nouba @ Disney, but was entertaining nevertheless. I guess this is what is left for those good young tumblers who just get too tall to continue in gymnastics. SONG: Jump Around - House of Pain Well now it's the thick of the afternoon and the sun in beaming (I thought it was supposed to be rainy all week?) so it's time for some water rides. We change into swim wear and head to the rapids ride which is at the very tip of one of the "horns" as I described the layout. Sure, there is a trolley that goes out that way, but we just missed it, and there is already enough people waiting in line to fill up the *next* one, so we hoof it. There is nothing on this path other than the lake on you left and BD to your right. One good thing about this path is there is an abundance of shade...but no freaking benches to sit an relax on. What an oversight! That would never do on RCT =]. Near the end of the path we spy the skylift and before *I* (the acrophobic) get a chance to balk, T squashes the idea of riding it as it is quite steep and looks more "ski-lift" than "sky-bucket". Thus, not sturdy-looking enough for her. Good, I dont think I'd have done that well on it. I should also mention that both T and I are rather modest/conservative (she moreso than I) and she was worried that her tankini would be a bit risque for the dry park even though it looks pretty much like a tank top and mini-skirt (or more descriptively mini-skort). However, the amount of 13 and under girls with bikinis on in the water and dry parks quickly dispelled those notions. Questions, why are little girl clothes so provacative. We (half)joked that if these are the only tpye of clothes they sell in the stores that when we have kids, we're gonna have to learn how to sew. As an guy knows, a father's main job is to "keep his daughter off the pole". (TM - Chris Rock) SONG: Promiscuous - Nelly Furtado In any case, our hike ends at: THUNDER RAPIDS (Hopkins (?) Raft Ride 5/10) I'm a big fan of rapids rides. We used to ride them all the time when I was small, but about the time my sister started getting perms and worrying about her hair turning into a fro, we started avoiding water rides. However, T, I think, would rather be a dolphin than a human as she loves water and anything dealing with it so I've gotten back into riding water rides. This particular ride on certain days would be okay as the ride splashes you, but you dont get soaked. However, this day I *wanted* to get soaked so the 'splashing' was a big disappointment. i found it interesting that there was not *one* waterfall on the whole course. Maybe they should call up Dorney Park and ask to borrow one of there 11 (!) waterfalls. =] SONG: Float On - The Floaters With that, we enter the Splash Harbor area and immediately get in line for their newest waterpark attraction: ANCHOR BAY (Manufacturer Unknown Tube-based Lazy River/Waterslide combo attraction 8/10) Okay confession time: I cant swim well. It wasnt a priority for my parents so I just kinda missed that opportunity. Now, I've been in pools and stuff, hell, I've been in the ocean twice. I can flutter around, but I'm far from a strong swimmer. T was a little apprehesive about me going into the water park but even though I'm not a good swimmer, I'm a great *STANDER* and since the water was no more than 3ft deep, I assured her I'd be fine. Now, she particularly wanted to ride this attraction because is has a waterslide that dumps into the lazy river (with a life guard assiting with the merging of course). The only thing was we couldnt figure out how to get to the waterslide. So we played the role of lemmings and just follwed the line to where they were doing tube exchanges between those leaving and entering the attraction. We debated whether we should get 2 singles or one double tube, but when we got to the front the ride op said we'd have to wait for 2 singles so that choice was easy. We grab a double and float on in. Not far down the line, there is a waterfall so we each frantically paddle to try and make sure the other is the one that gets it so of course we both catch the full blast. In the midst of our giggling and wiping water out our eyes we see where the river splits to go onto the waterslide. Damnit, missed it! Oh well, we just continue down the river engaging in waterfall "paddle-offs" (I won more than I lost). When we get to the end, I thought we had to get off and get back in line but the attendant was allowing people to float around as many times as they wanted. This time, we made the fork to the waterslide and got in that line. We had a bit of a wait for the slide as several smaller riders were capsizing at the end of the slide, but aside from that, the line moved swiftly, with a tube descending about every 15s or so. The slide itself was mostly enclosed moderately fast. Not as fast a snow tubing down hill, but you dont get many curves on snow either. I was in the front so i got most of the spash at the bottom. I paid T back by manuvering her under the two remaining waterfalls in the lazy river portion. We took one more trip around the whole lazy river, again I got the better of T and got her wetter than she got me. I almost felt bad about it (almost). At that point we felt like we should now exit the attraction, even though I think we both could have stayed there longer. SONG (Lazy River): Oops, I Did it Again - Britney Spears SONG (Waterslide): Splash Waterfalls - Ludacris They had some other waterslides nearby that emptied into the lake. However, the lake water looked like Lake Michigan water, which is to say brownish-green and none too appealing. So we passed on those. SONG: Dirrty - Christina Aguilera But there was this gi-normous green waterslide that looked fun enough to try. The entrance was hell to find, being about a block away from the actual slide itself, but we found our way to: MAMMOTH FALLS (Manf. Unknown Raft-Based Slide 7/10) For an attraction that could hold up to 6 people per raft (I think) the line was long and moved fairly slow. Maybe it was because of waiting on the raft-return-conveyor belt. Anyway, it was just T and me on the raft and off we went, right under a water curtain. A few twists-turns-and another water curtain later and we were done. The ride reminded me of SFA's Peguin's Bizzard River with no seats and a little less spinning. Fun, but nothing special I guess. *shrugs* SONG: You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) - Dead or Alive (and many others) I should note the scores I gave have no real point of reference. I did have fun, but I have nothing really to compare them too. So I used "figure-skating-judging" leaving room at the top for future better experiences. =]. Well that end our waterpark experience, but there was one other water ride waiting for us. Wouldn't you know it, it was all the way at the tip of the 'horn' opposite to the rapids ride (who designed this park, lol). We grabbed our towels to wrap up for the journey over to: SAW MILLS PLUNGE (Arrow (?) Log Flume 5/10) This wasnt a very good log flume. The drop was okay, but boy was the ride short! Usually, it seems that most flumes have a small lift, a little banging around, another lift and the head to the drop. This was only slightly longer than a Shoot the Chutes. But hey, at least I got a little wet. One thing that was suprising was that in a case of a parent riding with a small child in the same section of the boat, the larger parent had to sit in front of the smaller child. Is this standard operating procedure? If so, it's counter-intuitive. SONG: One Minute Man - Missy Elliot We changed fully back into dry clothes and grabbed food. Now I'll admit that I dont pay too much attention to food prices as i just file it under "pay to play". But all the enthusiast musings of "value" caused me to actaully note what the "value" of LC food was. We each got a sandwich and a side (4 items) and it was 12 bucks. Of course, drinks were free. Again, I really dont pay too much attention to prices, but for those who do, use that info any way you see fit. SONG: Eat it - Weird Al Yankovic (aka RGW's uncle :)) After lunch/dinner we were going to go for re-rides but saw that one of their shows was starting so we parked it for: ? (dont know the name of the show, Country Music Revue 6.5/10) I'm not a big country music fan though, for some reason, I like watching country shows in theme parks (go figure). I suggest seeing this show and T says "You know I like country music" (WTF? This is news to me). The show was well done, the dancing was good though there was a little too much emphasis by the performers on grabbing their belt buckles. So why the lower score? Two reasons: 1) Lack of authenticity. while the singers were decent singers (better than some of the early rounds on American Idol) their hearts werent into country music. Only of the girls even attempted a country twang. A real redneck would have been embarrased watching the show. 2) Too many country love songs. What ever happened to country songs about whiskey drinkin' and butt-kickin'? That's *real* country, not this lovey dovey stuff. At least give me a song about a dog or something! Bah! =] SONG: Get Drunk and Be Somebody - Toby Keith We took some more rides on BD, looked around in shop and generally leisurely strolled till finally we rode: GHOST HUNT (Sally Corp. Interactive Dark ride 6/10) If there was a story to this ride, and I assume there was as they had a video playing in line, I didnt get it. In fact, I dont even know what the most of the things we were shooting at looked like cause I was focusing so much on the targets. And after all that, I STILL LOST TO T (aarrgggh!) Oh well, I'll have a chance at redemption when we ride MIB:AA later in the year. SONG: Drive Boy, Shooting - G//Z/R That pretty much wraps up the day's fun. Like I said, we did some re-rides of BD and one of WWildcat. Most of the rest of the ime was spent on a bench waiting for it to get really dark. But overall, I had a great time @ LC (8/10). It's not too far away so I could see myself coming up this way again someday. The only thing I do differently is that I'd add Quassy to the itenerary. I didnt realize that it's actually not too far out of the way; we could have hit it on the way in. But hey something to look forward to. SONG: Ridin' - Chamillionaire lata, jeremy P.S. Please excuse any formatting issues. I wrote this in notepad first. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 09:00:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27676 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53114.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.64) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 15:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 28209 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 14:42:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20060712144220.28207.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.10.103] by web53114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:20 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=a54EISZbCS7vZZxvBhxPbm8LX-ehZrwpENqWjO78HBnbmA0bDc9a X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I will forever take I-287 *around* NYC < That area of 95 has to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country. I mean, having to drive through the center of uptown Manhattan and then over the cross-Bronx expressway -- what a nightmare! I always go out of my way to avoid it, usually by heading over the Tappan-Zee bridge. > Sure, the $15 SF parking fee is a bit much, but are people really that cheap that they'll pay $10 to park on someone's lawn? < Just proves that even the average Joe will gouge customers. Last year they were charging $5. > Later rides, in the front again and in the back firmly planted this ride as my #1, not only in steel, but overall < As you noted, it's all in the pacing. This ride will probably go down as Stengel's greatest design. Those three potent bunny hops at the end are just icing on the cake. > It pains me to score any B&M ride this low, but when compared to other loopers, this coaster was really average. < Don't worry. I think this ride sucks. And I was so excited to have a B&M in my backyard... :-( > There's not much I can say about T-Bolt because, honestly, I dont remember much about the coaster. < The coaster runs hot or cold. When it's hot, it's the second-best coaster in the park. I've had some incredible rides on it. But otherwise, you're right -- it's forgettable. > The ride is indeed more violent in the back and it lets that be known right from the first drop. < Well, it's sort of pointless to mention this, but I wish you could have ridden the "old" Cyclone. The first drop used to be one of the greatest ever built before Six Flags raised it about twenty feet. They really need to repair the track on the second half of the ride. And they should get Millennium Flyer trains. And then put the first drop back to the way it used to be. (nag nag nag) > HOUDINI -- Okay, I just love this ride. I have from the first moment I rode it in Jersey. < Yeah, I enjoy it too. I still like Idlewild's version better. It's much more effective, probably because it's more confined. > STAGECOACH BUMPER BUGGIES Oh, the one thing that did stick out was that there were no poles on the cars, rather, I guess the floor was electrified. < I'd still like to know how the heck this system works. If the floor is electrified, how the heck do the cars get their separate hot and neutral currents? > As for my overall impression of the park, it's not my favorite park overall, nor even my favorite SF park. < Same here -- but it beats the pants off of the old Riverside. Thanks for the TR. Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13323 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 19:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2006 19:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 19:05:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2006 19:04:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:04:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060712144220.28207.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=uug2JDLaev2o8n67-nXD2nS5JFikMhU2vYW6H3YJVsahnNVRrANpacTERw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > Don't worry. I think this ride sucks. And I was so excited to have=20 a B&M in my backyard... :-( you too, huh? yeah i was so excited when i heard a batman was going=20 in, being a B&M fanboy and all. but SFNE definitely got the short end=20 of the stick on that one. its fun, but definitely near the bottom of=20 the list of B&Ms. too short and not really that exciting. well, at the=20 very least, its VERY re-rideable.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jul 13 01:02:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45184 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 07:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 07:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 07:52:03 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6CEGbJD009637 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:16:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3IhsF1zV0EZDMRr5fcSrD2X0WjN3Ry0boGY8afyvmgoPSE52x21BX3Hn4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Here's what pisses me off about the whole thing. Every time something > like this happens, people jump all over it as if racism doesn't exist > in this country any more. Newsflash: it does. i dont see how anyone can say racial profiling doesnt exist. just look what happened to people that were of middle eastern decent(or just looked middle eastern) after 9/11. True... but I've got to admit, I don't know what the factual difference is between regular police work and racial profiling. If a certain gang that is causing problems in your area has a certain look or certain clothings, tattoos, etc, wouldn't it seem logical to keep an eye on people who fit that description? Which I guess leads me to another issue I have a big problem with following the events of 9/11. I don't know the official name for the piece of clothing, but doesn't it seem odd that we allow people who cover the entire faces into theme parks or just about anywhere? That just seems like a horrible breach of security right there, since you can't even tell the sex of the person, let alone identify them. I know it's a religious thing, but I think there is a certain line of reason that has been crossed here. I know a few people have filed cases to attempt to allow them to actually have their drivers liscence photos taken this way, faces covered, and failed so far to my knowledge. So why is it tollerated in public or at a sports game or theme park or mall or where-ever? I'm not saying by any means anyone who covers their faces is a terrorist, but if the only time we generally allow everyone to run around in public with masks on is Halloween. Anyone of any race or religion could use put on the outfit to perform any kind of illegal act (Terrorism, robbery, murder, car-jacking, whatever... ) and then simply remove the garment after the act and no one would have a clue who they really were. Bringing the subject back to theme parks, I know that theme parks are just a giant playground for a terrorist group to target. There are so many weak spots in security and what we personally allow to happen to ourselves during the day that to me, a park would be the ideal target for dozens of attack senarios. For example... it is generally accpted that you will get wet on a water ride at a theme park during your day there. So what would happen if a bio-weapon was developed where all they had to do was dump chemicals into the ride water, and it would spread throughout the day to everyone who got wet? Even more simple, if you visit Florida parks, it's common to see park workers selling those odd water-spray bottles with the battery opperated fans on the nossle. It's geneally accepted that the workers selling them are allowed to shoot them at the crowds that pass by in an attempt to sell them. It just takes one person (a guest or employee) with a special bottle that shoots god only knows what directly on people and no one blinks an eye. Sure, nothing like this has happened, but nothing like 9/11 ever happened before that day either and as I recall, Disney parks were on the many short lists of potential future targets recovered by the government agencies. We know that this was one of the primary reasons the walking tour inside the Disneyland castle was closed forever, because it was determined to just be too easy for anyone walking through to plant an explosive device inside that would never be found until it was too late. From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jul 13 02:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 09:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 09:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 09:04:27 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BIBrsl009611 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <035a01c6a515$83f31500$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000601c6a3b0$0b967860$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:12:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=-DSYck1vgQe-haYts6wb2lmkbLaVWCZ694blDOZDuctJKEmIulxCt-tw1g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Kohlrusch" > Not at all. I think this is an indication that the Redzone guys > thought it would be easy to fix the obvious problems with Six Flags - > just as most enthusiasts did - and that the company would immediately > turn around. The problem is that they fixed most of the problems but > people still haven't come back. What they underestimated was how > burned people really were by their previous visits. Cedar Fair > encountered the same thing when they took over Geauga Lake and thought > they could easily turn it around. It hasn't happened there either. I think it's also good to point out that so far, the initiatives to turn Six Flags around seem to have been company wide and that they have not realized that some problems and fixes should be made to enchance individual parks or fix problem reputations of specific parks that may not be required for the entire chain. Six Flags is just too big and covers too many areas of the country to have a one solution fix-all problems kind of addititude. Good point about Geauga Lake as well... a park that was really only known as a Six Flags park for perhaps 3 years before they gave up, though a big part of Geauga Lake's problem as a combined park was some foolishness on the part of Premier Parks. They thought they could take the newly rebranded Six Flags Ohio that had great attendance that year, and combine it with the solid long standing attendance of SeaWorld Ohio, combine the two parks into one and keep the numbers up by merging the parks into a single experience. Foolish move there... people people may have previously visited the two parks as individual day experiences once each summer, but give them both at once and they only need to make one visit. Also the removal of the SeaWorld brand name and the big name animals also really put a hurt on the animal side of the park. Cedar Fair knew they didn't want to run an animal park after removing the last animals from Knott's and Cedar Point, so they finished the job Six Flags started and killed the last of the animal park... and were left with a giant park a giant dead spot on the other side of the lake, which was going to need substancial capital to rebuild. What they didn't count on was the bad taste left behind from Six Flags' name branding that held on even past the renaming of the park back to Geauga Lake, and as pointed out the park continues to struggle to find a nitch where it belongs in the shadow of Cedar Point. From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Jul 13 04:48:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72626 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 11:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 11:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 11:46:33 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6DBjnQ1005070 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c6a671$e2c8bf00$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <035a01c6a515$83f31500$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Thread-Index: AcamW3FQtx15gxztRcWy8v8iBx2MZAAFZYng X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=bzM0RGN60IuqcN6ur6gBilX3qOZ4AfJVICxjIcpsjNetvwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > What they didn't count on was the bad taste left behind from > Six Flags' name branding that held on even past the renaming > of the park back to Geauga Lake, and as pointed out > the park continues to struggle to find a nitch where it > belongs in the shadow of Cedar Point. To show how desparate Geauga Lake has been, they've stooped to the level of putting up billboards that say "The closer park doesn't come close" in the Pittsburgh area, including one RIGHT NEXT to Kennywood. I know Holiday World put up a billboard right near Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom, but I'm pretty sure they didn't try to take an uncalled-for cheap shot at KK in the process. (Makes me wonder if Cedar Fair kept the same ad agency for GL that launched the "We drove past Cedar Point to get here..." ads in the Worlds of Ass days) Personally as it stands right now I'll take Kennywood over Geauga Lake anyway, so all that billboard managed to do was leave a bad taste in my mouth. A lot of my Pgh-area enthusiast friends feel the same way. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 06:05:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13245 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 13:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 13:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 13:00:33 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so71739nfe for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.164.13 with SMTP id m13mr500970hue; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607130548x439ae60n10e829443a063983@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:48:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004101c6a671$e2c8bf00$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <035a01c6a515$83f31500$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <004101c6a671$e2c8bf00$0600a8c0@raven> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=28NUy0MX1VauD4amVvVg9JzrCqZmhGcyD7Dix5UwCZao1OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "To show how desparate Geauga Lake has been, they've stooped to the level of putting up billboards that say "The closer park doesn't come close" in the Pittsburgh area, including one RIGHT NEXT to Kennywood. I know Holiday World put up a billboard right near Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom, but I'm pretty sure they didn't try to take an uncalled-for cheap shot at KK in the process. (Makes me wonder if Cedar Fair kept the same ad agency for GL that launched the "We drove past Cedar Point to get here..." ads in the Worlds of Ass days) Personally as it stands right now I'll take Kennywood over Geauga Lake anyway, so all that billboard managed to do was leave a bad taste in my mouth. A lot of my Pgh-area enthusiast friends feel the same way." I saw those when I was in Pittsburgh, one was at the edge of the strip district I think, and I thought it was a good idea to advertise in the area, but probably not the right message. I think the bigger question is, what does Cedar Fair do with Geauga Lake? Obviously CP has a national client base, but in Ohio they seem to go after the same client base. I still stand by my thought of moving the hard rides to other CF properties and keeping the waterpark, but of course, I am definitley not a CEO... Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 06:27:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35673 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 13:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 13:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.184) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 13:27:50 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so186539nfc for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr441071hue; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607130627m5be79dd4i5e1243aab23a385c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: NEWS: PKI Q&A on Sonny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BGZ5m46cPZBQjNaB-8uQbn7XsIJKd-lI7PK_xKXoMT9KduM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy These are from Maureen Kaiser at PKI after Sonny had the cracka-laka incide= nt. Adam ----------------------------------- Taken from: http://www.coasterbuzz.com/2006-193-499128.htm PKI answers questions about Son of Beast incident Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:14 AM ET | contributed by Jeff Confusion in mainstream media has led to a number of inaccuracies and conspiracy theories about Sunday's events. The following is a list of questions and answers provided by Maureen Kaiser at PKI. Q: What happened? When? What were early reports? A: On Sunday, July 9, at 4:45 p.m., a Son of Beast train rolled into the station after completing a full cycle. Some guests complained of discomfort. The Kings Island safety team, as well as Mason Fire and Safety immediately responded. 27 guests were transported to area hospitals. 25 were treated and released that evening. 2 were admitted to the hospital. Q: Other reports say there were more guests at the hospital. What's the dea= l? A: We transported 27 guests from PKI. I don't know about the number of guests who may have walked in on their own. Q: Who is inspecting the ride? A: On Monday, the Ohio Department of Agriculture and OSHA ride inspectors, as well as industry experts, arrived at the park to begin their inspection process. Q: How is PKI assisting with the inspection? A: We are cooperating fully with the Department of Agriculture. In addition, engineers and safety managers from Cedar Fair and PKI, as well as PKI ride maintenance technicians are assisting with the inspection. Q: What have you learned from the inspection? A: Preliminary evidence indicates there is a cracked vertical wooden post. Preliminary reports also indicate that this would not have been found by our pre-opening inspections and likely happened just before or right as the incident occurred. Q: How long will the inspection take? A: It could take weeks. Q: When will the ride reopen? A: The ride will remain closed until we are completely satisfied that the ride is safe. Q: Where is the cracked wooden post? A: In the rosebowl. Q: Is the loop separating? A: No. Q: Is the loop dangerous? A: No. Q: Why is a train stopped on the tracks? A: Two trains can't be in the station at the same time. Therefore, to get the guests out of one train, another must leave the station. Q: Were guests in the stopped train? Did they have to walk down the hill? A: No. The train was empty. Q: Why is it still there? A: The inspection is in its early stages and we don't want to jeopardize it by sending a train through a complete cycle. Q: Why were empty cars sent out of the station before this incident occurre= d? A: We had a biohazard incident earlier, and our park protocol for this insists that checks must be conducted before we can load guests again. Q: How many board feet of lumber will the Department of Agriculture inspect= ? A: 2.5 million board feet of lumber will be inspected. Q: What is the daily maintenance done on Son of Beast? A: 1) Mechanical (PKI Maintenance) 2) Electrical (PKI Maintenance) 3) Operational (PKI Rides Operations) Park maintenance technicians walk every inch of wooden track to complete the daily inspection. During daily inspections, workers look for anything unusual including loose fasteners, deteriorating wood, misalignment of steel and wood connections. They will also test all safety systems and thoroughly review the trains to insure they are operating correctly. All inspection processes are based on master check lists, developed specifically for Son of Beast. A boom lift is used by the park for the sole purpose of inspecting the loop on Son of Beast every day. Q: Didn't PKI file suit against the manufacturer of Son of Beast? A: Yes Q: Wasn't a part of the suit regarding sub grade wood? A: Yes. However, all lumber determined to be sub grade was replaced or reinforced before the ride opened in 2000. Q: Was any of the wood mentioned above in the area we're focused on now? A: No. Q: Did PKI get a hefty sum of money when the lawsuit was finished? Some $20 million? Why wasn't this reinvested in the ride? A: We have received a judgment on this case, and we are in the process of recovering a portion of the money promised. At this time, we have received no money as a result of this lawsuit. Q: How many guests does each train hold? A: 30 guests. Five cars to a train. Q: How many guests have ridden this attraction since it opened? A: We have provided nearly 6 million safe rides since the ride opened in 20= 00. Q: Why didn't the ride open with the park on Sunday? A: As mentioned above, wood coasters require extensive inspection before they can open. If irregularities are found, we tend to them immediately. This can take time. There was work down in a different area of the ride than the area in question. Q: Does maintenance happen daily? A: Yes. Safety is our top priority at PKI, there is no doubt about that. We will never open a ride to our guests unless we are completely confident that the ride is safe. Q: What about the work done over the winter? A: We did an extensive amount of work during the off season to improve the comfort of the ride experience. Q: When was the ride certified by the state? A: May 19 Q: Is there wood hanging from the track? A: No. Q: Did Cedar Fair voluntarily close the ride Sunday? A: Yes. Our ride operators were fantastic. They recognized the issue and took steps to ensure safety. This set the wheels in motion at PKI. We responded immediately and continue to respond to guest needs. Q: Have you talked directly with the media at all? Or are you just releasing statements and stonewalling them? A: We held a press conference on Sunday night. I did interviews with news crews all day yesterday. My job is to keep people informed and I will do that until this story is complete. We utilize a variety of methods to do this =96 statements, press conferences, one-on-one interviews. Q: Am I safe on roller coasters? A: YES Q: Am I safe at PKI? A: YES!! I can't stress enough how important safety is to our guests. Any hint that we're not serious about that is, frankly, ridiculous and horribly untrue. We exist to provide safe and memorable experiences for our guests and will do everything in our power to provide just that. From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Jul 13 06:33:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90852 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 12:59:51 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6DCqkQ1007276 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:52:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c6a67b$3cdfb580$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <004101c6a671$e2c8bf00$0600a8c0@raven> Thread-Index: AcamW3FQtx15gxztRcWy8v8iBx2MZAAFZYngAAKB5tA= X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Six Flags Considers Unloading Theme Parks - Updated by an AP Writer 7.9.06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=nYhvhEcG9e3iFxK8oih7mFU1GuHR-dcSmbPgEDc9Zdpx_Ls X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 I wrote: > Personally as it stands right now I'll take Kennywood over Geauga Lake > anyway, so all that billboard managed to do was leave a bad > taste in my > mouth. A lot of my Pgh-area enthusiast friends feel the same way. I actually meant to say that a lot of my NON-enthusiast friends feel the same way. They're all saying "Last time I went there it sucked, why should I spend the gas and tolls to go there when I have Kennywood here?" From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 07:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28862 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 14:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 14:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 14:07:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 14:06:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 14:06:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=_O0ozkHYatiqDZ357rlRbAYIAcYhjtuSOAE80PdbbqvewJ2RSg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > > > Here's what pisses me off about the whole thing. Every time > something > > like this happens, people jump all over it as if racism doesn't exist > > in this country any more. Newsflash: it does. >=20 > i dont see how anyone can say racial profiling doesnt exist. just look > what happened to people that were of middle eastern decent(or just > looked middle eastern) after 9/11. >=20 >=20 > True... but I've got to admit, I don't know what the factual difference i= s > between regular police work and racial profiling. If a certain gang that = is > causing problems in your area has a certain look or certain clothings,=20 > tattoos, > etc, wouldn't it seem logical to keep an eye on people who fit that=20 > description? >=20 > Which I guess leads me to another issue I have a big problem with followi= ng > the events of 9/11. I don't know the official name for the piece of=20 > clothing, but > doesn't it seem odd that we allow people who cover the entire faces into= =20 > theme > parks or just about anywhere? >=20 > That just seems like a horrible breach of security right there, since you= =20 > can't even > tell the sex of the person, let alone identify them. I know it's a religi= ous=20 > thing, but > I think there is a certain line of reason that has been crossed here. I k= now=20 > a few people > have filed cases to attempt to allow them to actually have their drivers= =20 > liscence photos > taken this way, faces covered, and failed so far to my knowledge. >=20 > So why is it tollerated in public or at a sports game or theme park or ma= ll=20 > or where-ever? >=20 > I'm not saying by any means anyone who covers their faces is a terrorist,= =20 > but if the only time > we generally allow everyone to run around in public with masks on is=20 > Halloween. Anyone of > any race or religion could use put on the outfit to perform any kind of=20 > illegal act (Terrorism, > robbery, murder, car-jacking, whatever... ) and then simply remove the=20 > garment after the act > and no one would have a clue who they really were. >=20 > Bringing the subject back to theme parks, I know that theme parks are jus= t a=20 > giant playground > for a terrorist group to target. There are so many weak spots in security= =20 > and what we personally > allow to happen to ourselves during the day that to me, a park would be t= he=20 > ideal target for dozens > of attack senarios. >=20 > For example... it is generally accpted that you will get wet on a water r= ide=20 > at a theme park during your day there. > So what would happen if a bio-weapon was developed where all they had to = do=20 > was dump chemicals into the > ride water, and it would spread throughout the day to everyone who got we= t? >=20 > Even more simple, if you visit Florida parks, it's common to see park=20 > workers selling those odd water-spray bottles with the battery opperated= =20 > fans on the nossle. It's geneally accepted that the workers selling them = are=20 > allowed to shoot them at the crowds that pass by in an attempt to sell th= em.=20 > It just takes one person (a guest or employee) with a special bottle that= =20 > shoots god only knows what directly on people and no one blinks an eye. >=20 > Sure, nothing like this has happened, but nothing like 9/11 ever happened= =20 > before that day either and as I recall, Disney parks were on the many sho= rt=20 > lists of potential future targets recovered by the government agencies. W= e=20 > know that this was one of the primary reasons the walking tour inside the= =20 > Disneyland castle was closed forever, because it was determined to just b= e=20 > too easy for anyone walking through to plant an explosive device inside t= hat=20 > would never be found until it was too late. > But that's just it, nothing like 911 happened before 911 .... we didn't thi= nk it would=20 happen. So we can't go living life in a constant *OMG Everyone is a terrror= ist, we're getting=20 attacked* kinda way.... because then we would want to go to Amusement Parks= or out of=20 our house.... we'd turn into these Conspiracy Theroy weirdo Hermits. Life sucks like that , and I think the drivers liscense photo thing is ridi= culous .... you can=20 only tell so much about a person by their eyes... you could have fake id's = for 300000=20 teenage middle eastern girls w/ just one copy of a real drivers liscense! just my 2 rupee's jeremy d. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 07:46:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89033 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 14:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 14:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 14:37:26 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so309097uge for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr163164ugj; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:35:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Eq2t8xvYb0sJaoyIC41Qj-j5UTb7EiIa3hM-9QzAUTQ1br-2P9mGHg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > True... but I've got to admit, I don't know what the factual difference is > between regular police work and racial profiling. If a certain gang that is > causing problems in your area has a certain look or certain clothings, > tattoos, etc, wouldn't it seem logical to keep an eye on people who fit that > description? Going after someone for wearing gang-related clothing and going after someone because of the color of his/her skin is two different things entirely. Sometimes gangs are race-based and sometimes they are not. Clothing is not a protected class; race is. Besides, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that it's gang members who sued Six Flags for racial profiling. Something else was going on there. > Which I guess leads me to another issue I have a big problem with following > the events of 9/11. I don't know the official name for the piece of > clothing, but doesn't it seem odd that we allow people who cover the entire faces > into theme parks or just about anywhere? No, because there's no law on the books stating that a person's face must be visible at all times. If you wanted to wear a face mask to a park, you're allowed to do that. You might get some funny looks - and in that way we're generally more sensitive to someone wearing a burqa or a hijab specifically because it's cultural/religious - but it's not against any law or rule. And even if such a rule was made, what difference is it going to make? Is the ticket taker at the gate going to be able to peg someone as a terrorist or criminal just by looking at them? Not likely. Is the ability to cover one's face going to encourage crime (or is the inability to cover one's face going to discourage crime)? Not likely. None of the theme park scenarios you mentioned would be in any way affected by whether or not someone is wearing a garment that covers his/her face. And that's exactly why it's not a major concern. > Anyone of > any race or religion could use put on the outfit to perform any kind of > illegal act (Terrorism, > robbery, murder, car-jacking, whatever... ) and then simply remove the > garment after the act > and no one would have a clue who they really were. People can - and do - put on outfits that obscure their faces, commit crimes, and then remove them to keep their identity a secret. When they're criminals anyway, I doubt they really care whether or not covering their face is legal or not. -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Jul 13 08:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50902 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 15:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 15:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao06.cox.net) (70.168.83.78) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 15:03:12 -0000 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([70.189.88.102]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060713145903.CXOJ16541.centrmmtao06.cox.net@MYCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:59:03 -0400 To: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c6a68c$df262890$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcamUr3j748HxNGmQXqOlQmKufKgIQAOF7Vg X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=feIsjEk0Fk5oxL4wu_5Jmg3aaSLtZ7NnE-CPXm6JemjrB96s3Enjnw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that if someone is determined to cause trouble they will find a way. By the way I am more concerned about the right wing white supremacists than I am about for example a few black people with a bunch of tattoos. The key to keep in mind is that in general if you treat someone else with respect the other person will treat you with respect. In my opinion if you let fear of a certain group keep you from living your normal life the extremists (middle eastern, black, white, Hispanic, or any other form of extremism) they have won. Just remember it is the usually extremist few that cause trouble for everyone else. Michael _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lance Hart Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:17 AM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks > Here's what pisses me off about the whole thing. Every time something > like this happens, people jump all over it as if racism doesn't exist > in this country any more. Newsflash: it does. i dont see how anyone can say racial profiling doesnt exist. just look what happened to people that were of middle eastern decent(or just looked middle eastern) after 9/11. True... but I've got to admit, I don't know what the factual difference is between regular police work and racial profiling. If a certain gang that is causing problems in your area has a certain look or certain clothings, tattoos, etc, wouldn't it seem logical to keep an eye on people who fit that description? Which I guess leads me to another issue I have a big problem with following the events of 9/11. I don't know the official name for the piece of clothing, but doesn't it seem odd that we allow people who cover the entire faces into theme parks or just about anywhere? That just seems like a horrible breach of security right there, since you can't even tell the sex of the person, let alone identify them. I know it's a religious thing, but I think there is a certain line of reason that has been crossed here. I know a few people have filed cases to attempt to allow them to actually have their drivers liscence photos taken this way, faces covered, and failed so far to my knowledge. So why is it tollerated in public or at a sports game or theme park or mall or where-ever? I'm not saying by any means anyone who covers their faces is a terrorist, but if the only time we generally allow everyone to run around in public with masks on is Halloween. Anyone of any race or religion could use put on the outfit to perform any kind of illegal act (Terrorism, robbery, murder, car-jacking, whatever... ) and then simply remove the garment after the act and no one would have a clue who they really were. Bringing the subject back to theme parks, I know that theme parks are just a giant playground for a terrorist group to target. There are so many weak spots in security and what we personally allow to happen to ourselves during the day that to me, a park would be the ideal target for dozens of attack senarios. For example... it is generally accpted that you will get wet on a water ride at a theme park during your day there. So what would happen if a bio-weapon was developed where all they had to do was dump chemicals into the ride water, and it would spread throughout the day to everyone who got wet? Even more simple, if you visit Florida parks, it's common to see park workers selling those odd water-spray bottles with the battery opperated fans on the nossle. It's geneally accepted that the workers selling them are allowed to shoot them at the crowds that pass by in an attempt to sell them. It just takes one person (a guest or employee) with a special bottle that shoots god only knows what directly on people and no one blinks an eye. Sure, nothing like this has happened, but nothing like 9/11 ever happened before that day either and as I recall, Disney parks were on the many short lists of potential future targets recovered by the government agencies. We know that this was one of the primary reasons the walking tour inside the Disneyland castle was closed forever, because it was determined to just be too easy for anyone walking through to plant an explosive device inside that would never be found until it was too late. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 13 08:32:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90519 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 15:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 15:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 15:16:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C99A72 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060711140534.54876.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060711140534.54876.qmail@web42204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <878BC90A-9079-441B-8627-884B85DD9AC0@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:16:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FcGbG0wJrgZGpU7u9AydY130ZAl6cIw9qT2UHAB22NRnjX-H X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Great report, Jeremy! I went to this park in (I think it was) 1999, or maybe 2000, and had a good day. Didn't even get to ride everything .. I very much want to return. > SUPERMAN: RIDE OF STEEL (Intamin hypercoaster - 10/10) > I have to admit, I cant really describe the layout of the ride I describe it as: someone scribbled on a piece of paper, and then said "build this"! :) > Later rides, in the front again and in the back firmly planted this > ride as my #1, not only in steel, but overall, even surplanting The > Legend. Everytime riding it, when I was sufficiently happy with > the ride experience, I realized there was still a significant > portion of track left. haha .. so many people are now using similar words to describe Voyage, which is interesting because when I first rode Voyage I immediately thought of Superman at New England. It sounds like you had a good day there, which is nice to hear! The park has grown a bit since I was there. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 13 08:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88650 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 15:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 15:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (216.229.140.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [216.229.140.244]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FE09A72 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:18:49 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D29D6EB-A041-4646-AEB7-1AE0749692BC@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:18:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 216.229.140.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=3ZNMIiX1fz4nrMoewgtq8mbW5V6Pgt7nUZ00tKgy77C7JSGf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Thanks for the report Doug. It's looking like I'll be *finally* able to visit Tampa in October, and I'm itching to ride Sheikra .. and Kumba .. and Montu .. even Scorpion! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anarchy means crossing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** when it says 'Don't Walk' * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 09:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90479 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 16:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 16:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 16:10:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:10:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=lMwo5jYsuV0CgXTsDXbsOF_CWDV-f8mL4abbqsJE-I68HB2l5Ow2 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > No, because there's no law on the books stating that a person's=20 > face must be visible at all times.=20 Actually, in at least several states there are laws against wearing=20 masks in public, although the law may take the form of it being=20 illegal to wear a mask during the commission of a crime. Some of=20 these laws seem to have been enacted as anti-Klan measures. See this=20 discussion: http://publicdefenderdude.blogspot.com/2005/05/man-arrested-for- wearing-mask-in.html Also see this CNN article about a court upholding a New York anti- mask law: http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/20/rights.klan.reut/ Criticism of that law: http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/17/colb.masks/index.html Such laws have also come under fire because demonstrators wearing=20 masks to ridicule public figures and such have been arrested. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 09:33:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85469 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so360484ugd for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr236977ugg; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:33:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-zeZioktvhiV50GFWqQr42IIMjeftft6y5fmr19oLyzeORqKBGmgsjo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > No, because there's no law on the books stating that a person's > > face must be visible at all times. > Actually, in at least several states there are laws against wearing > masks in public, although the law may take the form of it being > illegal to wear a mask during the commission of a crime. A burqa, hijab, or any other type of veil is not a mask. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Jul 13 09:46:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75423 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-41.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.10) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 16:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28368 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2006 16:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 16:42:55 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-151-136.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.151.136] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G14H9-000124-QE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:42:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E0DFA0D-1EF8-4F21-A6B0-32AB84AB7A2F@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:46:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.151.136 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ZwAyNrbWVNSzEZP2o5TFYb9CAXdul5TRbLaqB_DnSZiScyyw_c6F X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> No, because there's no law on the books stating that a person's >>> face must be visible at all times. > >> Actually, in at least several states there are laws against wearing >> masks in public, although the law may take the form of it being >> illegal to wear a mask during the commission of a crime. > > A burqa, hijab, or any other type of veil is not a mask. > > -Nate Sort of relating to masks... has anyone heard anything about Six Flags changing Fright Fest around this year? Or will it be the same old Fright Fests... Mike - Who's thinking about making the 3.5 hour drive up to SFNE sometime after reading Jeremy's TR, never been there and want to go on Superman now From larryflennoy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 10:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: larryflennoy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75604 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 17:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 17:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 17:04:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 17:02:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 17:02:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 17:02:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:02:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.200.233.193 From: "larryflennoy" Subject: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220624339; y=i4LqMV-om7_UpE1fz2MdjKZnUA_sg44-UbWrdR4c90WAj9EbeVxU X-Yahoo-Profile: larryflennoy Hey there group, I have a quick question,=20 Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6=20 hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out.=20=20 Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! From larryflennoy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 10:30:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: larryflennoy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33364 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 17:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 17:30:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:30:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.77.18.193 From: "larryflennoy" Subject: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220624339; y=UBEU3-9bOzwvb9_F-aZZnuTaoPxCFdr7Lo18tkzVmbjE1ZOhEMyS X-Yahoo-Profile: larryflennoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxTNEQspdy3o Is this how it is really> From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Jul 13 10:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43434 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 17:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 17:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 17:17:51 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.492.5d57a1c (41810) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <492.5d57a1c.31e7d91b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:12:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=oYgiHhB9swUGJuZwEu7z071k5NC6WpNwkN0pw537KJbtbN2x6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Voyage is an incredible very intense coaster. Its well worth the trip there to ride it. It has 3 places where it goes 90 degrees, and it really distorts your senses! I recommend it very highly! Its my number one wood coaster! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:49:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45108 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 19:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 19:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 19:42:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 19:41:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 19:41:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:41:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=bWdz4ni9E4xEuADFTDNDqC8a-Wdyfg59JEhNbyTiVg6FvrNWCSTX-5zt1A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > Which I guess leads me to another issue I have a big problem with=20 following > the events of 9/11. I don't know the official name for the piece=20 of=20 > clothing, but > doesn't it seem odd that we allow people who cover the entire=20 faces into=20 > theme > parks or just about anywhere? >=20 > That just seems like a horrible breach of security right there,=20 since you=20 > can't even > tell the sex of the person, let alone identify them. I know it's a=20 religious=20 > thing, but > I think there is a certain line of reason that has been crossed=20 here. I know=20 > a few people > have filed cases to attempt to allow them to actually have their=20 drivers=20 > liscence photos > taken this way, faces covered, and failed so far to my knowledge. heres the thing though, lance. if a terrorist wants to into a theme=20 park to commit a act of jihad, hes not going to be wearing hijabs,=20 for the very reason that they would draw attention to themselves.=20 the people that brought down the planes on 9/11 didnt wear anything=20 of traditional muslim garb. they were instructed to blend in. if a=20 terrorist attacks a park, we wont see it coming. so someone coming=20 to the park in a hijab is a moot point. besides, if a terrorist were=20 to wear something like that to a park, what good would it do if we=20 saw their face? its not like the theme parks have a facial=20 recognition program like airports do.=20=20 > Even more simple, if you visit Florida parks, it's common to see=20 park=20 > workers selling those odd water-spray bottles with the battery=20 opperated=20 > fans on the nossle. It's geneally accepted that the workers=20 selling them are=20 > allowed to shoot them at the crowds that pass by in an attempt to=20 sell them.=20 > It just takes one person (a guest or employee) with a special=20 bottle that=20 > shoots god only knows what directly on people and no one blinks an=20 eye. if it were biological, it wouldnt even have to be aimed at anyone.=20 and yes it could happen, and probably quite easily.=20 on a side note, any watch the mini-series 'Sleeper Cell'? shows how=20 easily it would be to do some of these things.=20 =20 > Sure, nothing like this has happened, but nothing like 9/11 ever=20 happened=20 > before that day either and as I recall, Disney parks were on the=20 many short=20 > lists of potential future targets recovered by the government=20 agencies. well, so was an amish farm and a petting zoo.=20 =20 From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Jul 13 12:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 19:44:28 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060713192256m1200nue1je>; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:22:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <658b68979d66b37488334ead52efd0e8@law.wnec.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:22:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Yeah, that'll happen - SF to Mobile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=ZdNV-gaEQNgM12SlI5xTAktvgT14jO5G0rlRCfq9F5x3RUiNgvp3Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5145307&nav=8fap Commissioner proposes bringing amusement park to Mobile MOBILE, Ala. Mobile County Commissioner Mike Dean is proposing that the city try to entice Six Flags to relocate their hurricane-damaged New Orleans park to Mobile. However, Six Flags spokeswoman Wendy Goldberg said yesterday that such a move is unlikely and the company isn't planning to expand the number of theme parks. City and county officials have been trying to bring the roller coasters, log flumes and long lines of an amusement park to Mobile for more than a decade. The most recent attempt came after The Times-Picayune in New Orleans reported July 1st that Six Flags Incorporated was trying to get out of a 75-year lease to operate Six Flags New Orleans. Six Flags bought the park, which was then called "Jazzland Theme Park," and reopened it in May 2000. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59744 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 20:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 20:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 20:01:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:01:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:01:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:01:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <878BC90A-9079-441B-8627-884B85DD9AC0@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=X34M5keqlDTYbgR5riIYmrFBG5-Y6Fv3iPsPTUmb0sW5JdiQ4AJlsOUVvw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > Great report, Jeremy! I went to this park in (I think it was) 1999,=20=20 > or maybe 2000, and had a good day. Didn't even get to ride=20=20 > everything .. I very much want to return. >=20 > > SUPERMAN: RIDE OF STEEL (Intamin hypercoaster - 10/10) > > I have to admit, I cant really describe the layout of the ride >=20 > I describe it as: someone scribbled on a piece of paper, and then=20=20 > said "build this"! :) i was google-satelliteing the park last night, and its sick how=20 simplistic SROS is. like it was designed by a teen kid in drafting=20 class. but sometimes its the simple things that are so great, after=20 all.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 13 13:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31345 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 19:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 19:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (69.17.72.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 19:55:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [69.17.72.83]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075F892DB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:58:38 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26C025E2-D6E5-4143-A5A4-AE1C1142F2FA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:58:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.72.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=8nHs4NHIOgOpD7qoAiTS8G64trZ9zHxNJR6tbTksboFcC_ml X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, It is indeed an amazing ride .. a solid A+! In fact this time tomorrow I'll be there riding it, for the third time this year! It's a 370 mile drive down there from Chicago, too. Holiday World is way more than just Voyage, though .. Raven is an amazingly great ride too, and even Legend is up there (although easily my least favorite of the three). Cameron. On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:02, larryflennoy wrote: > Hey there group, I have a quick question, > > Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6 > hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out. > Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. 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Groups Links > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** There's no place * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** like 127.0.0.1 * / //\ ******************************************************************** \ >> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:18:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61042 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 19:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 19:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 19:57:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:57:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01de01c6a5bd$d10e11c0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Racial Profiling and Terrorism in Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=NciKdhi2nX9K-mkVwVWSvhZRBpJT2k2v-RQP2Ke1DoemJ3kqaqe9AYqL5g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > That just seems like a horrible breach of security right there,=20 since you=20 > can't even > tell the sex of the person, let alone identify them. I know it's a=20 religious=20 > thing, but > I think there is a certain line of reason that has been crossed=20 here. I know=20 > a few people > have filed cases to attempt to allow them to actually have their=20 drivers=20 > liscence photos > taken this way, faces covered, and failed so far to my knowledge. another couple of points here. first, it IS religious, so by not=20 allowing people to wear hijabs means we also shouldnt allow people=20 to wear kippot, turbans, or crosses for that matter. slippery slope,=20 no?=20 second, if its a matter of not being able to identify someone=20 because of they hijab, then sunglasses and ballcaps would have to be=20 outlawed too, since its just as easy to hide ones identity with=20 those too.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:20:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8215 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 20:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 20:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 20:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:06:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:06:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5D29D6EB-A041-4646-AEB7-1AE0749692BC@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=3DEkL9QQvXuMBHmAaaLWY7Nucowf3gwERG6t-2kQoAE9qvcLg8FBFmiZ3A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > Thanks for the report Doug. It's looking like I'll be *finally*=20 able=20=20 > to visit Tampa in October, and I'm itching to ride Sheikra .. and=20=20 > Kumba .. and Montu .. even Scorpion! >=20 > Cameron. awesome. i will be gone for part of the month of october in tennessee,=20 but if im here let me know when you are coming, and ill probably be=20 able to come with.=20 just dont ask me to ride gwazi or python. scorpion i like though=20 honestly. it is a Schwarzkopf after all.=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 13:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35211 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 20:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 20:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 20:36:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 20:35:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <658b68979d66b37488334ead52efd0e8@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Yeah, that'll happen - SF to Mobile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-9ojHXtT6BcwSRsd7CFtiehOyif4iGpq2C9HpCkpaHLMuQ_1gpaG X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Boy, somebody in Mobile's city hall hasn't been paying attention to=20 Six Flags in the news recently, have they? The idea that Six Flags=20 would pull out of Southern California and Denver in order to tap into=20 that bustling economy of the post-Ivan, post-Katrina Gulf Coast is=20 rather preposterous. Maybe they saw those raging crowds at Waterville=20 USA *cough* or the financial success of Visionland *cough*cough* and=20 were inspired. Seriously, though, it was pretty remarkable seeing all of the tiny=20 amusement operators on the Gulf Coast between Panama City and Destin=20 Beach when I drove through last summer. Most weren't even the size of=20 a full minigolf park, feature minigolf OR go-karts OR a few=20 waterslides but not often would you see them all in one place. Miracle=20 Strip may be gone, but with that kind of a tourist-oriented economy=20 you'd think somebody could put together a bigger, more cohesive=20 amusement park in the area. But not in Mobile. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Thu Jul 13 13:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81785 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 20:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 20:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 20:43:55 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6DKhmbu003678 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c6a6bd$0f776330$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:43:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=0ErV0zZoXMa7LBH0cMO5C1_UfZHR8tIZB7N4B918gykDUgF1oD0L X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me know when in October also as it'll give me an excuse to take a day off from work :) Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > Thanks for the report Doug. It's looking like I'll be *finally* able > to visit Tampa in October, and I'm itching to ride Sheikra .. and > Kumba .. and Montu .. even Scorpion! > > Cameron. awesome. i will be gone for part of the month of october in tennessee, but if im here let me know when you are coming, and ill probably be able to come with. just dont ask me to ride gwazi or python. scorpion i like though honestly. it is a Schwarzkopf after all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Thu Jul 13 14:10:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14094 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 20:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 20:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 20:50:46 -0000 Received: from webmail03.lax.untd.com (webmail03.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.143]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCMPNQKAU2E2ZS for (sender ); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hADIDMr5EutFY7OPwRcoPSni9Hm/7jzxYLg== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail03.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LU7HFLZ4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:48:49 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail03.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:47:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:47:48 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060713.134849.8794.416932@webmail03.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:644625537 X-MAIL-INFO:5d3f873b5acf775aefefcfbb77bb0f0e4e1f9f67432b8ff70a1f4e97836f3e5a8f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.143|webmail03.lax.untd.com|webmail03.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=Cv6rZ6Zc6buFYcYSaZp_SUf2wvG_2HNAOxu2qvcLlyk0v1Ms7g X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >just dont ask me to ride gwazi or python. scorpion i like though=20 >honestly. it is a Schwarzkopf after all.=20 Gwazi is an interesting ride, it tends to be very hit or miss as to=20 how rough the ride is going to be. If you catch it just after a=20 maintence cycle, the ride is pretty smooth and a lot of fun on either=20 side, and even re-rideable. But if you catch it just before they=20 take it down for maintence, it'll rattle your teeth out and give you=20 brain damage. Shame it's like that now, when it was brand new, I=20 never had a bad ride on it. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 14:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78150 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 21:29:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 21:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 21:29:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:29:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Various & Sundries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4Z2H2Aq2_U7hpJHoETUiR37MHEOic8OeZkEli1wXbTVT-kk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey All! Yeah, I know it's been a while. I got swamped at work, then I got=20 sick, then I got swamped again, then I went on vacation (finally!).=20 So, now I have time to chat with y'all. 1) Paramount Sale =96 Now that the sale to Cedar Fair is final, I=20 wonder if Bonfante Gardens is going to be using Cedar Fair, like they=20 used Paramount (as a management company)? 2) Speaking of Cedar Fair =96 there seems to have been a lot=20 love/hate conversation going on (as if that's new for this group,=20 however...). I use the word conversation loosely. Many of you have=20 been acting like those "other" on-line groups, and frankly I'm=20 embarrassed by it. We're better than that, and you all know it. 3) Speaking of love/hate conversations =96 I've noticed a lot of=20 the same going on regarding Six Flags. Most of these conversations=20 have been heatedly debated over pure speculation. I have always been=20 of the opinion that if you are going to make conversation regard=20 speculation, keep it in the same vein; speculation. Meaning: We won't=20 know, until we know. 4) Speaking of Six Flags - I found the comment regarding=20 the "old management" quite interesting. From what I had heard about=20 Magic Mountain's old management was that the guy over SFMM was just=20 waiting to retire, and didn't give a hoot about the park. That was=20 rumor, but if true, would go along way explaining the condition of=20 the park. 5) Speaking more about Six Flags =96 This is in regards to=20 the "profiling" topic. As it turns out, post 9-11 I was continuously=20 profiled at the Airport. You see, up to 2 years ago, I had long hair=20 (and I do mean long [blond, luxurious hair]) and a full beard. Before=20 9-11, most people never looked at me sideways. After 9-11, I wouldn't=20 even get to the metal-detectors before being pulled out of line for a=20 search =96 every single time! And now that the hair is gone, and most=20 of the beard is gone, guess what? Not a peep! Things that make you go=20 Hmmm... Otherwise, I see y'all haven't been quiet. I'll be posting a TR in my=20 next post. -Alan (Old man and getting older) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 14:51:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80179 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 21:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 21:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 21:46:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2006 21:46:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:46:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: TR: Disneyland / IAGSCD Convention 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=N4tfzLuxS9t3S0eDnOyeyfXOpizkJ2EwZaqOMcxbNFMAkn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This is a mini-TR about my trip to Disneyland combined with the=20 Square Dance Convention. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wednesday (June 28th) =96 Travel / Disneyland Traveled from Phoenix to Anaheim. Checked-in, unpacked, napped and=20 had "Dinner" at IHOP. Walked over to Disneyland, and got my annual=20 pass. Shopped, took photos, rode rides: Splash Mountain - using the=20 single rider line; Haunted Mansion =96 with the new Attic scene; Space=20 Mountain 2.0 =96 great special effects & ride. Walked & parking-lot tram (med) back to the hotel. Thursday (June 29th) - Disneyland Starbuck breakfast. Took the Trolley to Disneyland. I played Tour=20 Guide to 7-11 people (different numbers at different times). I gave=20 them the entire Disney experience: All of the major rides (including=20 Pirates =96 I love what they've done), various feeding locations,=20 Parade (Parade of Dreams), fireworks (Remember...Dreams can come=20 true), Fantasmic!, and shopping. We even Square Danced in=20 Frontierland. A very full day. Took the Trolley back to the hotel. Friday (June 30th) =96 DCA / Square Dance Starbucks breakfast. Walked & parking-lot tram(med) over to Disney's=20 California Adventure. Hung out with one group of square dancers for a=20 while: Soarin' Over California; Grizzly River Run, Mulholland=20 Madness, and Sun Wheel. Then I ran into Phoenix friends, and hung out=20 with them the rest of the day, doing the rest of the Park. They left=20 before 6pm. I had diner & beer at the Pacific Warf. Walked & parking- lot tram(med) back to the hotel. Showered, Changed, and went to the=20 Square Dance. Saturday (July 1st) =96 Square Dance Convention Starbuck breakfast. Dancing. Lunch. Dancing. Club Photo. Grand March,=20 Opening Ceremonies and Convention Photo. Walked & parking-lot tram (med) over to Downtown Disney for dinner with friends (Brenan's =96 O-M- G!). Walked & parking-lot tram(med) back to the hotel. Dancing.=20 Cocktails by the pool with friends. Sunday (July 2nd) =96 Square Dance Convention Hotel breakfast buffet. Dancing. Light lunch with friends. Dancing.=20 Cocktail Party with the Tucson group (Promoting their Dance weekend).=20 Dinner Banquet. Masked Ball. Cocktails by the pool with friends. Monday (July 3rd) =96 Square Dance Convention / Travel Starbuck breakfast. Dancing. Brunch & Business Meeting. Spent a=20 little time saying good-by to friends. Traveled from Anaheim to=20 Phoenix. Tuesday (July 4th) - I did nothing ALL DAY! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67725 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 23:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34305 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2006 23:57:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060713235707.34303.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.253.16] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:57:07 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Lake Compounce 7-3-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=AdDLVsS1ttdX-cYU3hNZHOUknzmNaN7ZBVnk1DX-oeNE8Ocg7rem X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another fun TR, Jeremy! > (all parks should have parking ushers!) < Sometimes they tick me off at Compounce. There are spaces up near the fron= t, but for some reason they steer me off to the back. I'm not sure what th= eir method is (if they even have one). > the Main Gate area of the park is really nice. < Yeah, it's probably one of the prettiest entrances of any park. Compounce = used to sell a sweatshirt with that entrance embroidered on it. Not any mo= re.... Did you see the "dancing" mannequins that circle the tower on the h= our? > By nightfall, BD was bookin'! < I'm glad you got some night rides on it. I'm still amazed that such a smal= l park has such a great coaster. > I just now, while writing this TR, checked RCDB for the pedigree of this ride and the feel of the=20 coaster makes perfect sense in light of this lineage. < That was Hershey's main legacy. When the chocolate kings bought Compounce = in the '80s, they leveled the park, including the coaster, and then hired D= inn to rebuild it from the ground up. In typical fashion, Dinn "corrected"= some of Schmeck's hills to make them more acceptable to the general public= . I love those two big fan curves, but I wish I had ridden it before the m= akeover. > THUNDER RAPIDS < I'm surprised you didn't get very wet on this one. Karen and I always end = up completely drenched from head to toe. Then we use the Sky Ride to dry o= ff. (I bet you would have been really impressed with that Sky Ride, too.) > We took some more rides on BD, looked around in shop < Yeah, that's about all Karen and I do now -- *look* in the gift shops. Com= pounce used to have some of the best souvenirs I'd ever seen. But now ever= ything is pretty generic. > The only thing I do differently is that I'd add Quassy to the itenerary. < You didn't miss much. (See my TR from about a month ago.) But next time y= ou'll have to go a little further north to Canobie Lake. That's well worth= a trip. Jay =20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 06:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51624 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 13:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 13:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 13:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 13:55:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 13:55:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 13:55:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:55:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=wmFKNZyc-NIVM4bVW4eHHQsco_-2_jPJFbPqOqErVEybtqyCrash_kA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > next i wondered over to the only other ride in the park i was=20 really=20 > jonesing for, Montu. along the way i checked out the snake area,=20 > where they were showing off a good sized reticulated python for the=20 > kids to pet. the park was pretty crowded, but everyone seemed=20 pretty=20 > spread out so it wasnt too bad. >=20 > what can i say? its my fav inverted and it was flying with hardly=20 > any brakes. just a great layout and a lot of fun, as always. no=20 > complaints here, except for the slow ride ops. I preferred the fire side of duelling dragons, gave a nice intense=20 ride, on a similar level to Nemesis at AT (which is probably my fave=20 inverted) >=20 > i still had a little time to run around, so i thought id ride=20 > something that id been avoiding-Gwazi:Tiger. my first time at the=20 > park a couple of years ago that side of Gwazi had been closed, so=20 we=20 > had rode Lion by default. it was one of the worst woodie rides id=20 > ever had. so id been avoiding Tiger, expecting the same result. >=20 > needless to say, my expectations were met. this thing shook=20 horribly=20 > to the point i thought most of my bones would come out of their=20 > sockets. its sad that while the coaster looks awesome and the=20 > themeing is nice, the ride sucks. glad im done with both sides of=20 > Gwazi, cause theres no way im gonna ever ride it again. Strange - I liked Gwazi - she's a real nutter, but good fun! (gotta say I didn't like python though).. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45681 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:26:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:26:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:26:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:26:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man missing after trip to amusement park has been found X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GNhmuRqgBjfOGvwCN87MA5cuzIRLvUM4A_ZlSdayCQE4WSk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 14, 2006 WTNH http://www.wtnh.com/global/story.asp?s=3D5149869 Middlebury, CT - Middlebury police have found a man who disappeared=20 during a group outing at Quassy Amusement Park. Officers were worried because 43-year-old Fred Bivins is mentally=20 challenged, but they found him walking near Judd's Corner in Middlebury=20 early this morning. He's in good condition. ------- Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow, WTNH, and Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:46:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48305 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:45:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:45:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: At a Wildwood Amusement Park, The Bar is Now Open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=w-XbP_agPR0aqKa8E3qmBCC0x9lcb48FYSpw6UygN5QNQ4o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/14/06 KYW Newsradio 1060 http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/56326.php By KYW's Ed Kasuba Wildwood, NJ - Morey's Piers in North Wildwood, NJ on Thursday began=20 selling alcoholic beverages at its "Ocean Oasis" waterpark. The alcoholic beverages are being sold in a special location within=20 the park. Company president Will Morey says selling beer, wine, and=20 specialty drinks is part of an entire package aimed at creating what=20 he calls a "resort environment": "It really positions Ocean Oasis,=20 which is already a wonderful family attraction -- it makes it=20 enhanced and an all the more enjoyable attraction for the family of=20 all ages". Morey points out that 3 out of 4 major waterparks in the country=20 serve alcoholic beverages, with some having done it for as long as 10=20 years. The adult beverages are being sold at Ocean Oasis between the hours=20 of 11am and 9pm. --------- =A9 MMVI CBS Radio Stations Inc. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4516 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 16:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 16:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 16:41:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:38:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:38:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:38:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Roller Coaster at the Excalibur in Las Vegas? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=wtYxJmVBNegxaTAGLW3VwzzauPl-R6CQ4NmZdsGeKaM-DB5R3o_D X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I was poking around on Wikipedia and came across this: "The Excalibur opened on June 19, 1990 originally built by Circus=20 Circus. It was one of many new, modern Las Vegas hotels that=20 featured children's attractions, such as an arcade and a small=20 medieval style roller coaster. ... In recent years, the Medieval roller coaster was taken out. It had a=20 troubled history, with frequent breakdowns and low ridership." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur_Hotel_and_Casino Huh? I've been going to Las Vegas off and on since 1994 and had=20 never heard of there being a coaster at the Excalibur. It's not in=20 the RCDB. I searched around on Google and couldn't find anything more that=20 this vague reference repeated on several sites: "One of the highlights of visiting the Excalibur Las Vegas is seeing=20 one of the many shows and other attractions the hotel and casino has=20 to offer. Ranging from a true dinner theater to roller coaster rides=20 and thrillers, you will be able to find an activity suited to people=20 of all ages." So, did this coaster really exist? Did any of you ever ride it?=20 Either Wikipedia or the RCDB is in error. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:54:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58785 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 16:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 16:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 16:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:54:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:54:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:54:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hershey unveils ambitious plan for water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iyVzMy6VW_jZSxdXSmqkXy0fcByRA51ug0rFF0Z_99iCW4w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/14/06 Lebanon Daily News http://www.ldnews.com/business/ci_4046704 By CHRIS SHOLLY =20 HERSHEY, PA =97 With Hersheypark set to celebrate its 100th anniversary=20 next year, Hershey Entertainment and Resorts Co. is reaching into the=20 past for the largest and most expensive attraction in the amusement=20 park's history. Herco President Scott J. Newkam yesterday unveiled the new $20=20 million water attraction dubbed The Boardwalk at Hershey. "Reaching=20 our centennial is a milestone that all of us who work here and all of=20 you who enjoy Hersheypark can be proud of," Newkam told reporters. Chocolate magnate Milton S. Hershey built the park in 1907 as a=20 picnic and pleasure grounds for his employees. It included an=20 athletic field, grandstand, a small lake for boating and canoeing,=20 and slides and swings. Through the years, the park's popularity has=20 grown, and more rides and attractions were added, now drawing 2.6=20 million guests each season. The Boardwalk at Hershey hearkens back to those simpler days, with an=20 injection of modern technology. "When we survey our guests, 2 things=20 we hear are coasters and water attractions," Newkam said. "We've had=20 a number of coasters in recent years, and we thought the water would=20 be something to add." Park GM Frank J. O'Connell said company representatives visited water=20 attractions around the nation to see what parkgoers enjoyed the=20 most. "What we set out to do was find the right combination of=20 attractions that would provide the maximum amount of capacity for our=20 guests, but also literally anyone from the young to the young at=20 heart could find something that they wanted to do out there," he said. The Boardwalk will be the largest interactive water-play structure in=20 the world and will be located in a separate section adjacent to=20 Midway America. It is intended to pay tribute to the legendary=20 boardwalks of the Northeast, like Wildwood, N.J., and Ocean City,=20 Md., Newkam said. "At the boardwalk, it's all about your experience,"=20 he said, "the sights, the sounds, the smells, the taste of cotton=20 candy, the sounds of waves, music and laughter." The Boardwalk will feature 5 new water attractions, 11 food outlets,=20 6 games and 7 retail outlets. The centerpiece attraction, called East Coast Waterworks, will be=20 designed from more than 62 tons of steel and have a variety of=20 elements, including more than 225' of bridges, 7 slides, 2 crawl=20 tunnels and nearly 200 interactive water toys, O'Connell said. "We=20 anticipate that that attraction alone will have a capacity of almost=20 1,500 people," he said. The other attractions =97 Coastline Plunge, Chutes and Ladders, Bayside=20 Pier and Waverider =97 will include slides, tubes, bowls and troughs, a=20 pool and sport rides. The attraction will include Sandcastle Cove, a=20 pool for tots featuring an oversized sand castle. There also will be shaded areas for spectators, hundreds of lounge=20 chairs, 2 changing areas with showers and lockers, rest rooms and a=20 first-aid station. A nightly beach party also will be held. Construction on the 4.6-acre attraction began a year ago on the=20 eastern edge of the park, the former site of the park's laser shows,=20 O'Connell said. Those shows were discontinued 2 years ago. The Boardwalk at Hershey is scheduled to open on Memorial Day weekend=20 next year. In addition to the new attraction, Hershey is planning a number of=20 other events to celebrate its centennial, including 100 days of=20 music, more fireworks displays and new entertainment in the theaters. The company is also launching a contest called "100 Years of Happy."=20 Visitors are encouraged to share their fondest memories at the park=20 by submitting a photo, video or written story by Sept. 4. The grand-prize winner will get to spend 100 hours in Hershey, which=20 will include 4 nights with up to 4 people at the Hershey Lodge and=20 Convention Center and admission to the park for 4 people for 3 days. Details on the contest can be found on the park's Web site,=20 http://www.hersheypark.com. --------- =A9 2005 Lebanon Daily News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 10:04:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88048 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 16:30:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:30:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park says attendance doubled from 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=P4JqfInUMYi2jQEwA8z0SzuDGP_uNq4mf2rIsCpu-gqk6KY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7-14-2006 WREG-TV 3 http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D5143991&nav=3Dmenu93_2 HOT SPRINGS, Ark. - The Magic Springs amusement park says its=20 attendance figures were up for June, and attendance for the=20 Independence Day weekend was nearly double what it was last weekend.=20 Management credits the addition of a thrill ride for the jump. The X-Coaster is billed as the world's highest inversion roller=20 coaster, with riders being flipped upside down 150' above the ground. Sales and marketing director Jackie Arrison said attendance in June was=20 128,441 - an 8% increase over June 2005. On the Fourth of July weekend,=20 attendance was 20,913 - up from 10,534 a year earlier. -------- Copyright 2006 Associated Press Copyright 2001 - 2006 WorldNow and WREG From rablat5@juno.com Fri Jul 14 13:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61921 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 19:56:47 -0000 Received: from webmail18.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCMR7W7AB7RS8A for (sender ); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGo/P3+B94nKXryxmzXdobH5n0CizmqgYzQ== Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LU9YQ7UP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:54:41 PDT Received: from [144.51.73.129] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:54:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:54:28 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20060714.125441.10554.335567@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1496095739 X-MAIL-INFO: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 20f02d4011dd614530d4008d35c1956dc189955420b52079201da189a1a454b0b0c031f4500915c459d5a1d584d4d0f4f0d45519e46469d04440c9f401fd00e45901a905d9654541101971c905e0e0512159b5f0b1210975e511e945f9694515a5710d95041154451121c120009184849dc47d7d197d64fd656485c905b439f9e114516d79a1d1d4012434d0c0d46dd184bd64d0647d65802121002d2525f5254011354020cde5c0a901745135695160bdf03129757179291149d9d045a4b175b1a92520544d9554f5f535c48130fd3d1124546439a42419091431e4893d60d5396d249184e0dd846db96da494d09471846419e4cd4465646d414429c5cde4e4 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 dd34a4dd7dcd144434b95064a5d50cfdd151b9219d8051008560cd817dfdb4c09dbde419718da071bd04bd80d9e5d9b57121008169f02521bd0df0357569818149310d34a9b10de1353911c5542435ed20fda13935d42d04b4793d5010f43d2414d1a01dd0d55984a5c59d1989b4dde419c9047d10418521c5c9198160cd51598571d1ddfd74c0e059801580f080692dc02d0d59494970110d1145714549a9b1610dfd390c4db48d45c189b539b5b920793d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|rablat5@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "rablat5@juno.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=gOM1gya_OzSMkBFOPQRN7F4r6P_Sx4dmugHXvir2BKeMsg X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go ride it. It's amazing. My track record stands close to 200, and it's pretty much the best coaster I've ever ridden. -Ben -- "larryflennoy" wrote: Hey there group, I have a quick question, Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6 hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out. Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Jul 14 14:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40660 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6ELMskI024172 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:23:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=aB13vz40gUQlMPNJNAiwyA3vV3zngyWvI_liS0Oc0T4CeO0OX4qd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/stories/MYSA071406.1C.SixFlags.11667b2.html Now, I've never claimed to be a rocket scientist, but is Shapiro talking out of his ass when giving these interviews? He's said that, it's not going to take one year to turnaround the chain, and winback families (which have already started to come back), but on the other hand he wants to unload SFMM? If it's clearly for the money it'll bring to SFI, then be blunt about it, and say it - We want to sell the park due to our debt load. Not, because of teens and the massive coaster arsenal they have, but due to what it'll bring price wise. Anyone know anything about SFFT, and why this park makes it special compared to the other 23? I think, if you read between the lines, Shapiro is signaling they may take the park chain and the parks they operate down to 6. Eventhough, according to what I've read, some of the parks listed, they just manage for an investment group or partnership. Any thoughts on this one, as this guy clearly is speaking out of his ass, in my opinion. No wonder the stock isn't rising, and is down from it's high earlier this year of $12.00 per share. Joe Tampa, FL (this guy just convinced me to stay away from SFI right now). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:35:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26397 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 01:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 01:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 01:32:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 01:32:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 01:32:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:32:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=__4zzaFbS3KWxiGHJjbze55feD6oFi1qe31Eu3WT9NIulJzPeizu X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani What's interesting is that we can now divide Six Flags's properties=20 into four categories: Those they are actively trying to sell off=20 (Frontier City, Wyandot Lake, plus trying to get out of SFNO), those=20 that they've announced they'd consider unloading (SFMM, SF Darien=20 Lake, WW&EV, SFEG, plus some water parks), those that they consider=20 untouchable (SFFT, SFOT, SFGAm, SFOG, SFGAd, and GE), and those that=20 they haven't mentioned. By my count, here are the "inbetween" theme parks that they've=20 neither mentioned as being possibly available nor untouchable: SF Marine World (Vallejo, CA) SF St. Louis SF Kentucky Kingdom (Louisville) SF America (Mitchellville, MD) SF Mexico La Ronde (Montreal) Plus, I don't think they've specifically mentioned their other=20 properties in New Jersey or Georgia. So what do you think the situations are at these "inbetween" parks?=20 How well are they performing? How big would the demand be for the=20 park or the land underneath it? What do we know about the=20 relationship between the parks and the local authorities? Do we know=20 anything for sure, or is it all just speculation? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Jul 14 21:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77347 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 03:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 03:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6F3rmFR004896 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c6a7c2$4dd0a050$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:53:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=hYNHQpC77_amdA0ran4b04d6jegbuet-n3h3Tc5n53gMsba-PMgE X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One correction: SF Great Adventure is an "in between" park, and SF New England belongs in the "untouchable" catagory. SF Marine World is a park they are managing for the city of Vallejo (similiar to SFNO), SFOG is being managed for a partnership that owns the park, just like SFOT. I'm not sure about SFNE, and the other parks. SFMM is a flagship park, and if Shapiro doesn't appreciate what he has, then I'm sure another investment group will. Hey, how about this, since they are crying about money problems they may be better off selling all the parks to investment groups, and just franchising the name Six Flags. This way it's real easy to get out of the mess they're in.... they get franchising fees and pay down the debt.... the investment in rides and the parks are left to the individual investment groups. Shapiro can dictate how the park should look and feel, and if they don't meet the standards to brand the park as Six Flags, then all they need to do is cancel the franchise agreement. It's late, but just something that came to mind. Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: adamnvillani To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT What's interesting is that we can now divide Six Flags's properties into four categories: Those they are actively trying to sell off (Frontier City, Wyandot Lake, plus trying to get out of SFNO), those that they've announced they'd consider unloading (SFMM, SF Darien Lake, WW&EV, SFEG, plus some water parks), those that they consider untouchable (SFFT, SFOT, SFGAm, SFOG, SFGAd, and GE), and those that they haven't mentioned. By my count, here are the "inbetween" theme parks that they've neither mentioned as being possibly available nor untouchable: SF Marine World (Vallejo, CA) SF St. Louis SF Kentucky Kingdom (Louisville) SF America (Mitchellville, MD) SF Mexico La Ronde (Montreal) Plus, I don't think they've specifically mentioned their other properties in New Jersey or Georgia. So what do you think the situations are at these "inbetween" parks? How well are they performing? How big would the demand be for the park or the land underneath it? What do we know about the relationship between the parks and the local authorities? Do we know anything for sure, or is it all just speculation? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Jul 14 22:19:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39064 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 05:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 05:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 05:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 8699 invoked by uid 99); 15 Jul 2006 05:19:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060715051925.8698.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 15 Jul 2006 00:19:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.172.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=WiZPIGb9_16UeumIq26AFisbtDuULzrFSeX6UOPr5YrkZkMn X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I'll second Ben's comment. I altered my route to hit a couple of new coasters on my return from a trip to Alabama and went thru Bowling Green KY (Kentucky Rumbler at Beech Bend) and Holiday World in Santa Claus IN. I was just there two weeks ago (TR coming shortly). My ride count is similar to his and the Voyage just missed my top 5. Dave > > Go ride it. It's amazing. > My track record stands close to 200, and it's pretty much the best coaster I've ever ridden. > -Ben > > -- "larryflennoy" wrote: > > Hey there group, I have a quick question, > > Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6 > hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out. > Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! > From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Jul 14 22:19:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24357 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 05:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 05:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 05:19:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8707 invoked by uid 99); 15 Jul 2006 05:19:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060715051926.8706.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 15 Jul 2006 00:19:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.172.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=3SbRilB2gMkBeWK6B3n_jyVczeoPXVWSZB3b_ik1RUODxp7X X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I'll second Ben's comment. I altered my route to hit a couple of new coasters on my return from a trip to Alabama and went thru Bowling Green KY (Kentucky Rumbler at Beech Bend) and Holiday World in Santa Claus IN. I was just there two weeks ago (TR coming shortly). My ride count is similar to his and the Voyage just missed my top 5. Dave > > Go ride it. It's amazing. > My track record stands close to 200, and it's pretty much the best coaster I've ever ridden. > -Ben > > -- "larryflennoy" wrote: > > Hey there group, I have a quick question, > > Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6 > hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out. > Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jul 14 23:13:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74977 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 06:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 06:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 06:13:12 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so167966uge for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr335288ugm; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:12:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ERPFlyLT2oeDdhbogh7IePNdZOmiOSqIOFgF2A8F0cJXhHzr5BvTBAM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > He's said that, it's not going to take one year to turnaround the chain, and > winback families (which have already > started to come back), but on the other hand he wants to unload SFMM? Redzone is now realizing it's going to take far longer to turn the Six Flags chain around than they first thought. This is disasterous for parks like SFMM that are doing incredibly poorly, and I can't blame them for wanting to get rid of it. Some parks (like the six in this article) are already well on their way to turning around and have the infrastructure to do that quickly. Parks like Magic Mountain are going to take time, money, and patience that the company simply cannot afford to give right now. It all makes perfect sense to me. > If it's clearly for the money it'll bring to SFI, then > be blunt about it, and say it - We want to sell the park due to our debt load. Not, > because of teens and the massive > coaster arsenal they have, but due to what it'll bring price wise. They *have* said as much. But they've used the other reasons (teens, massive coaster arsenal) as reasons for selling SFMM instead of other parks. > Anyone know anything about SFFT, and why this park makes it special > compared to the other 23? Lots of family attractions, tons of great theming and landscaping, a large waterpark, world-class shows, and a population that hasn't been scared away from visiting. > I think, if you read between > the lines, Shapiro is signaling they may take the park chain and the parks they ?> operate down to 6. No. What he's saying is that the six parks he listed will be used as models for what he wants to do with the other Six Flags parks. > No wonder the stock isn't rising, and is > down from it's high earlier this year of $12.00 per share. It's not rising because Six Flags is in serious trouble from the debt left by the old management. Those stock prices are still higher than they have been in the past few years. -Nate From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 23:29:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24590 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 06:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 06:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 06:22:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 06:22:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:22:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060715051925.8698.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=2SwpZT6SBB3ZiHyjWarVbVFhHpIT0IXSa2z1hNdUVk7kWaQaMg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg I'll THIRD that comment. After a few rides , even before the ERT started at Holiwood Nights , it mad= e my number 1=20 spot. It beat out Boulder Dash which had held the top spot for 3 years I be= lieve. It might be too rough for some *aflac* , but for those that can handle it ,= love it! Right=20 Nate? > I'll second Ben's comment. > I altered my route to hit a couple of new coasters on my return from a=20 > trip to Alabama and went thru Bowling Green KY (Kentucky Rumbler at=20 > Beech Bend) and Holiday World in Santa Claus IN. > I was just there two weeks ago (TR coming shortly). > My ride count is similar to his and the Voyage just missed my top 5. > Dave >=20 > >=20 > > Go ride it. It's amazing. > > My track record stands close to 200, and it's pretty much the best=20 > coaster I've ever ridden. > > -Ben > >=20 > > -- "larryflennoy" wrote: > >=20 > > Hey there group, I have a quick question,=20 > >=20 > > Has anyone ridden the Voyage in Holiday World yet? Since I am only 6=20 > > hours from the park, I was thinking about going to check it out.=20 > > Iwatched the videos of others on Youtube. It's incredible! > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 00:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93568 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 07:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 07:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 07:03:47 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so930785ugc for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr395349ugm; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:03:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060715051925.8698.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vcdBWVdBj5Y9zr5cUh2bMK67ibVX4I9xiySqqQRb_a7fSY-4eDCJmh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'll THIRD that comment. >Right Nate? Here's what I had to say about the Voyage after my trip in May: We ended up waiting about a half hour for a seat somewhere near the front. This was the ride that did it for me. I'm not exaggerating when I say this was nearly a religious experience. There was suddenly air on the first three hills, the turnaround was crazy, and then all hell broke loose. I don't know if it was because it was dark out, or the ride had just been warming up all day, or whether it was because it was full of fat ACErs, but this thing was flying. The whole run back to the station I couldn't stop thinking, "This is going WAY too fast!"...and then it kept getting faster! We were literally flying around the curves at in split seconds, slamming back and forth, up and down, left and right so fast that I can't even wrap my brain around what was happening. This is the S:ROS of wooden coasters. It was like the second half of the Raven for two minutes, except even crazier. It was insane. It was out of control. It was absolutely fantastic. I felt totally exhausted when we pulled into the brakes, and all I could mutter was, "I think the Raven has been displaced." That was quite possibly the best roller coaster ride I have ever had. EVER. It totally sealed the deal for my new #1 coaster. The Voyage is more unbelievable than I ever imagined. The way it starts off big and never lets up for two entire minutes is something no other coaster besides S:ROS does. It's almost mind-blowing to think that the first three huge hills are actually the least intense of the entire ride. The design is nearly perfect. You don't even realize that you're going uphill for the entire first half of the ride until you start heading back and the train just keeps picking up an incredible amount of speed. Every time you think it can't possibly get any faster it does. The finale of the ride is quite possibly the most intense ending for any coaster in the world. I could barely keep my arms up from all of the positive G's at the bottom of the curves. Add some furious pops of air, insane pacing, and two tunnels and it's a wonder you can even remember anything else. I've never felt completely exhausted after riding a coaster until I experienced the Voyage. In other words, if you haven't yet been to Holiday World this year, do whatever it takes to get there NOW! :) -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 15 06:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53386 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 12:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 12:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 12:59:30 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6FCwvvA011471 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013801c6a80e$6fd9a1a0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=kQNuvviaqnuKbJ0qJyt2JMXeeekqzt4ZBcOlHaXiALloycGGlyklxqRH5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "THUNDER7NYFL" > Anyone know anything about SFFT, and why this park makes it special > compared to the other 23? In my opinion, based mainly on the one visit I had there, it is one of the nicer family oriented Six Flags parks on the maps right now, and compared to many Six Flags parks, it has highly themed areas and a beautiful and isolated location at the bottom of the old rock quary. The park is also unique compared to most Six Flags parks because of the high number of shows they offer. However, most of this is because Fiesta Texas was not created as a Six Flags park, but rather as an entertainment oriented park in the same vein as the old Opryland USA. In fact... Gaylord Entertainment who owned Opryland USA was one of the investors/developers/owners of the park when it first opened as I recall. Looking up details in the Wikipedia... Opened in 1992, so the infrastucture is new and not worn down like many parks. Lost money the first two years so Gaylord sold it's shared to the majority partner (USAA) in 1995 Sold park to Time Warner in 1996 when it became a Six Flags park And the park learned it's lesson about building too high / too exteme right off the bat when they opened the park with the Rattler, a wooden coaster so savage that they had to reprofile several sections of it as well as raise the first drop because it was just too intense. It didn't help that the Rattler was only 1 of 2 coasters in the park for the first several years of it's existance... the other being a Vekoma kiddie roller-skater coaster. So your coaster choices were either a kiddie ride or something beyond extreme. I don't think they added another coaster at all until Time Warner took over and added Joker's Jinx in 1996. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 15 06:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3286 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 13:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 13:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 13:29:18 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6FCli3t002948 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011801c6a80c$ded51be0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:47:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coaster at the Excalibur in Las Vegas? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=EByNAfiq73RuMQGMI-3K5Tm3k6BvlaMS20xUDTZZCof0x5MNtvQcjvkBNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>"The Excalibur opened on June 19, 1990 originally built by Circus Circus. It was one of many new, modern Las Vegas hotels that featured children's attractions, such as an arcade and a small medieval style roller coaster. ... In recent years, the Medieval roller coaster was taken out. It had a troubled history, with frequent breakdowns and low ridership." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur_Hotel_and_Casino Huh? I've been going to Las Vegas off and on since 1994 and had never heard of there being a coaster at the Excalibur. It's not in the RCDB.<< That's a new one to me and I started to visit Vegas 2 or 3 times a year starting back in 1992 and stayed there quite often. However that also means I never saw Excalibur when it first opened in 1990... so they could have had something and removed it that first year or two I suppose. What I haven't seen a mention of is Merlin's Magical Motion Machines, a pair of old style Showscan simulators that used to change films every other hour throughout the day so you could come back over and over and see many different ride films. Last time I checked, I thought those were still up and running in the basement of Excalibur though, so that doesn't explain much. And that's pretty much my earliest knowledge of Excalibur. The arcade/midway in the basement is big enough that they could have had something tiny like a wacky worm or something I suppose. Anyone else ever heard of this? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76330 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:53:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:53:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=vEKjNdNYi0CrQbMkDGZGpe8tKCHtIExVQfXT_qTEezfms9DEWbGoOZDO-w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > I preferred the fire side of duelling dragons, gave a nice intense=20 > ride, on a similar level to Nemesis at AT (which is probably my fave=20 > inverted) well the best thing about DD is that you get 2 inverts for the price=20 of one. thats always a good thing in my book.=20 > (gotta say I didn't like python though).. who does?!? From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 15 06:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95827 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 13:44:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6FD1m7m013762 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013f01c6a80e$d5e48690$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=lJPs7FIVp3s2uRYUwwBbJ1K4dNAX1LRqf2O626KHE4HPUOvkUd15brMXyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance By my count, here are the "inbetween" theme parks that they've neither mentioned as being possibly available nor untouchable: SF Marine World (Vallejo, CA) SF St. Louis SF Kentucky Kingdom (Louisville) SF America (Mitchellville, MD) SF Mexico La Ronde (Montreal) Lets see... SF Marine World they can't do much with because they don't own it. SFSL... No worries here I think. SF Kentucky Kingdom, most of the property is leased so they can't sell it and the rest... it's hard to sell property within a fairgrounds and so close to an airport. I don't believe they even make any money from parking fees here. Best bet would be to try and sell it back to the fairgrounds. SF America... fixable I guess SF Mexico... they'll sell it I think eventually. I was never sure why Premier Parks bought it in the first place, but apparently Gary Story had some history/connection with the place. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 07:00:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22533 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 13:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 13:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 13:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2006 13:50:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:50:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060713235707.34303.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: Lake Compounce 7-3-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=vZgAFjEvqnhHW2xRQc-jABsXRzFH7PJiXlNzPDP6j07KbJ_PUOvTytdqPg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > But next time you'll have to go a little further north to Canobie=20 Lake. That's well worth a trip. ill second that one. i miss having a little park like that nearby,=20 especially now that our son is getting bigger.=20 From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sat Jul 15 08:37:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93855 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 15:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 15:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.192.83) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 15:05:48 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060715141628m1300d8b3ee>; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:16:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <0b9b8ec4bee1f388092383292a9d4999@law.wnec.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:16:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Swedish Roller Coaster Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=fMh6o0BwhpqzbfstjzETlPYapcjn1ngXw9LN-_uElwK7-8m9gIRzhw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this Balder? > > > Last update: July 15, 2006 =96 6:24 AM=A0 > > Europe > STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Two roller coaster trains collided at=20 > Sweden's largest amusement park Saturday, injuring about 20 people,=20 > police said. > > It was unclear what caused the accident at the Liseberg amusement park=20 > in Goteborg, Sweden's second largest city located on the country's=20 > southwestern coast. > > "For some reason, two trains collided,'' police spokesman Staffan=20 > Sellberg said. > > The park was closed after the accident, which happened shortly after=20 > noon. An investigation was under way, Sellberg said. >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 09:16:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37712 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 16:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 16:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 16:07:23 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so231499uge for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr823648ugj; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:07:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <013f01c6a80e$d5e48690$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <013f01c6a80e$d5e48690$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LtJAeXi061-mz0k9UuTP3gMftkOC9o3FqetTVzz1dZyQKBZQ3h3938w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > SF America... fixable I guess Also sitting on a plot of valuable land that they may want to take advantage of at some point. > SF Mexico... they'll sell it I think eventually. I was never sure why > Premier Parks bought it in the first place, but apparently Gary Story had > some history/connection with the place. Gary Story served as GM of Six Flags Mexico when it was called Reino Aventura, but I highly doubt that's why they acquired it. This park is sitting in the largest population base in North America, it performs well, and I think it's a keeper. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Jul 15 09:29:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4031 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 15:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 15:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-39.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 15:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15883 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2006 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-151-136.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.151.136] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G1mLm-0008D8-B8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:46:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <0b9b8ec4bee1f388092383292a9d4999@law.wnec.edu> References: <0b9b8ec4bee1f388092383292a9d4999@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:49:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.151.136 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Swedish Roller Coaster Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=shl2qiNkl_FChELJC2Sb8rIVa-OMYqvyyuyCCC1588HsVLsl6MXV X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Is this Balder? > >> >> >> Last update: July 15, 2006 =96 6:24 AM >> >> Europe >> STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Two roller coaster trains collided at >> Sweden's largest amusement park Saturday, injuring about 20 people, >> police said. >> >> It was unclear what caused the accident at the Liseberg amusement=20=20 >> park >> in Goteborg, Sweden's second largest city located on the country's >> southwestern coast. >> >> "For some reason, two trains collided,'' police spokesman Staffan >> Sellberg said. >> >> The park was closed after the accident, which happened shortly after >> noon. An investigation was under way, Sellberg said. >> Looks like it happened on another ride, Lisebergbanan. Here's another=20=20 article with some more information... ---------------------------------------- 15 injured in Liseberg rollercoaster crash Published: 15th July 2006 13:14 CET Two wagons on one of the rollercoasters at the Liseberg amusement=20=20 park in Gothenburg collided just after noon on Saturday. According to SOS Alarm the accident happened on Lisebergbanan, a ride=20=20 built on a hillside at the park. At 1pm an emergency operation was in=20=20 process. Nine ambulances were sent to the scene and 15-20 injured people were=20=20 taken to hospital. "There don't seem to be any serious injuries, by which I mean no life-=20 threatening injuries," said Rolf Persson at the Gothenburg emergency=20=20 services to TT. One of the wagons was stationary at the start point and passengers=20=20 were in the process of climbing out when another wagon rammed into=20=20 the back of it. The speed of the second wagon had declined but the=20=20 collision was violent. "Obviously there was a considerable crash," said Lasse Zagai, the=20=20 duty manager at the park. He refused to speculate on the cause of the accident before there is=20=20 a technical investigation. Lisebergbanan runs automatically and the=20=20 operator who watches over the ride is unable to stop the wagons=20=20 manually. "Normally there are sensors which measure how the wagons move," said=20=20 Lasse Zagai. The injured people have been taken to three different hospitals:=20=20 =D6stra, Sahlgrenska and M=F6lndal, a police spokesman told TT. "We have taken in five injured people at the three hospitals. So far=20=20 we haven't had any serious injuries. But not everyone has come in=20=20 yet," said Malin Lutz at Sahlgrenska hospital's press office. "There are both children and adults among the injured," she said. Police have established a coordination point outside Liseberg where=20=20 the injured and their relatives can meet. The Lisebergbanan rollercoaster ride is over 1,500 metres long and=20=20 five wagons operate at speeds of up to 80km per hour. Each wagon=20=20 carries 22 people. The ride opened in 1987 and this is the first accident of its kind. Link to the article is here: http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3D4338&date=3D20060715 --------------------- Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 15 12:05:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30445 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 19:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 19:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (69.17.72.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 19:05:24 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.72.83]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23AB92DB for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:05:22 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <607E8CFD-CD21-47FF-97C7-9F146F9270E6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:05:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.72.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xb1jksC1a02ypEG7WzkicMmbAuWKkn4mSRi1FE7vMZdcHErh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > i was google-satelliteing the park last night, and its sick how > simplistic SROS is. like it was designed by a teen kid in drafting > class. but sometimes its the simple things that are so great, after > all. Maybe from the sky, but certainly not from the ground! http://www.rcdb.com/ig628.htm?picture=6 Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Jul 15 12:49:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31326 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2006 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2006 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2006 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (105-133.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.133.105]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6FJjv9V025789 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6a847$4b12b760$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: MOTLEY FOOL ARTICLE WARNING ABOUT SFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=dzQQVdaBLfnXTT_uEeKe1vEDNrZLscQYRH5d9gwb14rxjgItsb0A X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06071402.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y This is an article from the Motley Fool, and I found their comment interesting about SFI..... "his significant position in troubled theme-park operator Six Flags (NYSE: SIX) could drop all the way into bankruptcy, leading to more subpar returns. You've been warned." Should the theme park operator drop to bankruptcy, then what? Does Snyder have the funds necessary to pump the money into the chain? Is Snyder going to admit he made a mistake by launching the hostile takeover of the theme park operator? Was this his goal - to put the park operator into bankruptcy? Now, this is just speculation at this point in time, but I trust the Motley Fool, and they are warning the park operator could drop into bankruptcy. I reiterate my postion from last nights email that they are better off selling all the parks they own, and just concentrate on licensing the Six Flags name. I would also be steering SFI away from managing parks they don't own, just like they are trying to do with SFNO. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Jul 15 18:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75516 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 01:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2006 01:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-10.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.210) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 01:05:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 22781 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 2006 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-151-136.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.151.136] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G1uyJ-0003RY-9N for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:58:59 -0600 In-Reply-To: <000801c6a847$4b12b760$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> References: <000801c6a847$4b12b760$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F43D38B-C41F-4F78-AB85-B94442471F5A@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:02:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.151.136 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: MOTLEY FOOL ARTICLE WARNING ABOUT SFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=0lYJq8yt_fpbpCzWaCwae-086QakWlqyYsOxGT_SdjSEkVk0lVli X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06071402.htm? > source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y > > This is an article from the Motley Fool, and I found their comment > interesting about SFI..... > > "his significant position in troubled theme-park operator Six Flags > (NYSE: SIX) could drop all the way into bankruptcy, leading to more > subpar returns. You've been warned." > > Should the theme park operator drop to bankruptcy, then what? Does > Snyder have the funds necessary to pump the money into the chain? > Is Snyder going to admit he made a mistake by launching the hostile > takeover of the theme park operator? Was this his goal - to put > the park operator into bankruptcy? > > Now, this is just speculation at this point in time, but I trust > the Motley Fool, and they are warning the park operator could drop > into bankruptcy. > > I reiterate my postion from last nights email that they are better > off selling all the parks they own, and just concentrate on > licensing the Six Flags name. I would also be steering SFI away > from managing parks they don't own, just like they are trying to do > with SFNO. This could be the same situation with Apple Computer in the late 90s. Apple was looking in really really bad shape... they weren't making much money, they were getting killed by Windows in market share, and all their attempts at making a next generation operating system were failing. Michael Dell (the CEO of Dell) even said that he'd shut down Apple and give all the money back to the shareholders. Then Apple brought in Steve Jobs, who somehow managed to turn the company around... he created the iMac, the iPod, and used his NeXT OS as the foundation of OS X. And a couple months ago Apple had a higher market value than Dell. I'm not sure if thats what's going to happen to Six Flags, but I think the moral of the story is that it's definitely possible to turn a failing brand around into something thats really great (and with Apple it took about 6-8 years). So contrary to the article, I wouldn't count out Six Flags just yet, especially with Shapiro at the helm. Mike From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 23:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4725 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 06:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2006 06:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.147) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 06:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 87036 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2006 06:34:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060716063452.87034.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.31.57.154] by web51105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:34:52 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:34:52 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6F43D38B-C41F-4F78-AB85-B94442471F5A@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: MOTLEY FOOL ARTICLE WARNING ABOUT SFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=n5uXRjzSVTi36TTUmPBU7kRa-d5LB9dK1L6mw57PnaCOo6l6341g0nj_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This could be the same situation with Apple Computer in the late 90s. Apple was looking in really really bad shape... they weren't making much money, they were getting killed by Windows in market share, and all their attempts at making a next generation operating system were failing. Michael Dell (the CEO of Dell) even said that he'd shut down Apple and give all the money back to the shareholders. Then Apple brought in Steve Jobs, who somehow managed to turn the company around... he created the iMac, the iPod, and used his NeXT OS as the foundation of OS X. And a couple months ago Apple had a higher market value than Dell. I'm not sure if thats what's going to happen to Six Flags, but I think the moral of the story is that it's definitely possible to turn a failing brand around into something thats really great (and with Apple it took about 6-8 years). So contrary to the article, I wouldn't count out Six Flags just yet, especially with Shapiro at the helm. Mike >>> I agree. I'm surprised some people actually expected Six Flags to about-face in the short-term. The chain was in much worse shape than most people realize during the takeover (even Shapiro commented along these lines). It's going to be ugly for awhile with Six Flags as the try to balance the company out. I, too, believe Shapiro can get things turned around from a business standpoint. Apparently, some of the parks have really tailed off customer service-wise since their first few weeks of 2006. Nobody should expect Disney here...even though Shapiro does. The doubters are quick to pile on, but as Six Flags extends it's brand (while shrinking some holdings), I think they will eventually turn it around. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jul 16 08:41:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66302 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 15:40:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 15:40:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2006 15:40:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:40:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <607E8CFD-CD21-47FF-97C7-9F146F9270E6@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR Six Flags New England 6-2-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=boKcqAQyjP_NxkyUtnmSYXgMzTsTdmjreTj7Xe3siW0tUK4Rt9OnET9NCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > i was google-satelliteing the park last night, and its sick how > > simplistic SROS is. like it was designed by a teen kid in drafting > > class. but sometimes its the simple things that are so great, after > > all. >=20 > Maybe from the sky, but certainly not from the ground! > http://www.rcdb.com/ig628.htm?picture=3D6 >=20 true. eh, still not as much of a mess as Joker's Jinx. thats just a=20 ball of yarn made of steel.=20 From coastermanokc@cox.net Sun Jul 16 19:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16964 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 02:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 02:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao02.cox.net) (70.168.83.82) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 02:35:34 -0000 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([70.189.88.102]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060717023509.BZIT22014.centrmmtao02.cox.net@MYCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:35:09 -0400 To: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c6a949$9cc08fd0$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcapSZyJLh3BbhB2QUiXZeowG7neng== X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: misc: study X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=pdyBKlkXnoZmtjjgyRq18gPJwc4_6Ywf3GoGCk7W1j-1Do1iC4khqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished re watching National Geographic's Supercoasters show and realized that they never mentioned who did the study that showed that roller coaster fanatics do not release adrenalin, only dopamine. Does anyone know who did the study and where I can find out more details about it? Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jul 17 08:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48678 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.37a.30b97f80 (15875) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0344bba8f9303; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:12:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:13:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0607070737k3a06a1fte7208b3d52247895@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BBA8FF.6050100@aol.com> References: <165816ef0607070737k3a06a1fte7208b3d52247895@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Mine is Alive... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=qolphE2gF8NLEotA8zS2SEDM3XtowgUPEp2-cYK5eKM5owHbQw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Adam Sandy wrote on 7/7/2006, 10:37 AM: > http://www.dollywood.com/mmine/default.htm > > Adam "What if there is no light at the end of the tunnel?" I love it! I am looking forward to this ride, and would say it will be great because it will reduce the lines on Thunderhead, if Thunderhead ever had any lines ;-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Now blogging (scary thought, huh?): http://www.penncoasters.com/tales.htm The insensitivity rolls on... From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jul 17 08:34:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 15:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 15:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 15:14:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.499.628d978 (15874) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0244bba84b21d; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:10:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:10:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44BBA852.5060101@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] On-Ride video, plus micro-TR for Holiday World and Beech Bend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=g14iNZctpkAUQSFf4KJqttI6laIiBoUTddeqLqskpm10ycgSOA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo adamnvillani wrote on 7/7/2006, 2:45 AM: > Eagle's Flight, their flying scooters, had had its line out into the > main walkway an hour before, but by 8:45 it was a complete walk-on. I > had never been on a flying scooters before, and it was a lot of fun. > We even got a re-ride. If you thought they were fun, wait until you ride ones that are actually good! I'm glad you had a good time at HW. I've never been a huge fan of the park, I think it is overrated, and their theming is a joke, but they do have a good staff that takes care of you, and the park is kept pretty clean. They just need some better flats. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The insensitivity rolls on... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:23:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17022 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 16:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 16:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:20:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:20:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:20:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:20:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: State-run inspection system considered too costly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=g_Z_VlsfsK3KA5WXnSEvvJ8mC1gPcvBZuSBqI4VOQc2PlGo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 07/16/2006 The News Journal http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060716/NEWS/607160359 By MIKE CHALMERS NEW CASTLE, DELAWARE -- Just outside Blue Diamond Amusement Park near=20 New Castle, Karen Kane & Jim Bromwell tried to get the 3-dozen kids on=20 their day care field trip to eat lunch, but the sight of a roller=20 coaster climbing and dipping in the distance was too distracting. "I=20 heard you're supposed to look for the inspection sticker on each ride,=20 to make sure the state checked it out," Kane said over the din made by=20 the kids of Rising Stars Preschool and Child Care in Wilmington. But DE. doesn't put stickers on amusement rides and doesn't do its own=20 inspections. Instead, the state relies on the ride operator's insurance=20 company to conduct an annual inspection, a system criticized by a=20 national amusement-ride safety organization. Kane & Bromwell said=20 they'd prefer a state-run inspection program. "It's better to have an=20 independent state agency doing the inspections," said Bromwell, who=20 owns Rising Stars. "We have independent agencies over-looking us in the=20 child care industry." Richard R. Ward, chief of investigations for the State Fire Marshal's=20 Office, said DE's system works well for the small number of carnivals=20 and amusement parks in the state. Fire marshals check to make sure all=20 rides have undergone their annual inspections and carry a $1 million=20 liability policy before they're allowed to open. "We don't want to be=20 inspectors," Ward said. "We don't have the manpower to send people away=20 to school to be full-time inspectors. The insurance companies have the=20 most at stake, and they put out first-class inspectors." 8 other states share DE's system of requiring only annual insurance=20 inspections, said Kathy Fackler, president and founder of the nonprofit=20 Saferparks, a safety advocacy organization based in CA. About half of=20 the states, including N.J., PA. and MD., have a government-run program.=20 A handful of states have a combination of the 2 systems, and about a=20 half-dozen don't require inspections, she said. Fackler said DE's system isn't as good as a state-run program that=20 examines rides a few times a year. "It's like car insurance," Fackler=20 said. "It's a great thing after something happens, but it doesn't keep=20 unsafe cars and unsafe drivers off the road." U.S. averages one fatality a year DE's law doesn't address operation of the rides, such as workers' age=20 or training. Also, she said, there are no inspection records for the=20 public to examine, which could alert riders to chronic safety problems=20 at a ride or park. Fackler acknowledges a government-run program is a tough sell in small=20 states like DE. because of the training needed for inspectors. "In=20 states that don't have a lot of business, it's hard to justify that=20 kind of training," she said. 62 ride companies are registered in DE. There are about 500 carnivals=20 that travel in the U.S. each year, ranging from 1-2 rides to more than=20 100, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, which=20 regulates the mobile-ride industry. Fixed-site rides, like roller=20 coasters and rides at places like BD and Funland in Rehoboth Beach, are=20 not subject to federal oversight. Carnivals, fairs and festivals log 300 million-500 million total visits=20 each year, and more than half of visitors ride the rides, the Outdoor=20 Amusement Business Association estimates. Between 1997 & 2004, mobile rides were responsible for an annual=20 average of 3,100 injuries and 1 fatality, the federal commission found=20 in a 2005 study. An average 4,200 people were injured and 3 people=20 killed annually on fixed-site rides during that same period. Look for lots of grease If there is an accident in DE., the fire marshal gathers basic=20 information about the mishap and shuts down the ride until a ride=20 inspector determines the cause, Ward said. Those inspectors are usually=20 from the operator's insurance company, he said. "It's better done by=20 qualified people," Ward said. Ward said he could remember only a couple of injuries on DE. amusement=20 rides in the past 15 years. 2 years ago, a passenger tub on the Spider ride at the DE. State Fair=20 fell from its suspension arm when a large pin gave way. A Dover man and=20 his teenage son suffered minor injuries. Last year, 3 boys suffered minor injuries when they fell from a=20 miniature Ferris wheel at St. Anthony's Italian Festival in Wilmington.=20 Witnesses said they were rocking their cart vigorously and loosened its=20 safety latch. Such rider misbehavior is the cause of about 8 out of 10 accidents, the=20 commission's report said. "Very, very rarely we'll have a problem with=20 the ride itself," said Frank Schwartz, a supervisor with Skelly's=20 Amusements of Williamstown, N.J. He and his crew of 24 were setting up=20 the 15 rides at the St. Joseph's Parish Carnival in Middletown last=20 week. "Most of the time, accidents are going to be people on the ride=20 getting out of hand." The Skelly's crew works 24 shows over 6 months in N.J., PA. and=20 DE. "We're never at a spot more than a week," he said. Constantly setting up and tearing down the rides actually helps ensure=20 the safety of the rides because crews have the opportunity to grease=20 the moving parts and replace lost or worn out pieces, Ward said. "You=20 see lots of grease on a machine, that's a good ride," Ward said,=20 pointing to the kiddie coaster Space Train at the St. Joseph's=20 carnival. "If you saw this all beat-up and cracked, you'd have to worry=20 about it. If it doesn't look like a professional operation, I=20 personally wouldn't let my kids on it." Parks do daily checks Bromwell, owner of Rising Stars child care, said he brought his own=20 children, ages 7 & 9, to BDAP last summer before bringing his charges=20 on a field trip. He said he felt safe on the park's rides, but he was=20 surprised to learn they are only subject to annual inspections. Ernie DeCarlo, GM of the 2-y.o. park, said he goes beyond the state's=20 requirements by greasing, inspecting and testing all 20 rides at least=20 once every day. He wouldn't mind stricter inspection rules, he=20 said. "To us, it doesn't matter because we'd do it anyway," DeCarlo=20 said. "I like inspections. If I've got something wrong, I want that=20 inspector to tell me." BDAP workers get a week of training to learn how to operate all the=20 rides, he said. Only workers 18 and older are allowed to operate the=20 rides, he said. The park is home to DE's only full-size roller coaster, a 1969 model=20 with 3 cars on 1,700' of track. The coaster, like all the other rides=20 in the park, got a thorough refurbishing during the winter, DeCarlo=20 said. He wants to add more rides and a water slide park to attract more=20 people, but he doesn't have grand plans for a sprawling enterprise, he=20 said. "We're not trying to be a Dorney Park or a Great Adventure,"=20 DeCarlo said. "We want to keep it a family park." Funland has been a staple of the Rehoboth boardwalk scene for the past=20 44 years, and operations director Randy Curry said he is proud that=20 there have been only a few minor accidents at the family-owned park. He=20 couldn't recall exactly how many, but he said many are due to riders'=20 behavior. "It's too bad that people don't have common sense," Curry=20 said. "Other people are looking for a lawsuit, trying to make some=20 extra money. Those are the ones I'm afraid of." Each of FL's rides gets a daily inspection by Curry or members of his=20 maintenance staff, who are all family members and longtime employees.=20 They check safety straps, nuts, bolts, oil levels and other parts of=20 each ride, then run it to make sure it operates smoothly and sounds=20 right, he said. 'A pretty safe operation' FL is one of the parks on inspector Jack Silar's annual checklist. Silar ran Hershey Park before going into business for himself as an=20 amusement ride inspector for insurance companies. He now works year- round inspecting rides from ME. to Fla., including FL in Rehoboth Beach=20 and several carnivals that operate in DE. "You're looking at the=20 insurability of the ride," Silar said. "Is it structurally sound? Has=20 it been maintained correctly? Have the necessary repairs been made? Our=20 job is to help them keep [rides] open safely." State-run inspection programs are expensive because inspectors must be=20 trained annually to keep up with changes in the manufacturing and=20 safety requirements of hundreds of rides, Silar said. He conducts about=20 five training sessions a year for inspectors in PA., N.J., MA. & CT. Although DE. doesn't mandate it, some insurers require ride companies=20 to undergo operation audits, where inspectors like Silar examine the=20 way rides are run. Silar said rides are safer today than in past years because of=20 attention paid to the issue. "The public demands it," he said. "We=20 don't have the failures in equipment today that we had 20 years ago,=20 and that's because of the inspections and because the owner-operators=20 are paying attention to their equipment." Ward agreed. "An amusement ride is a pretty safe operation," Ward=20 said. "We have a good safety record, so [the system] must work. -------------- Copyright =A9 2006, The News Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53611 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 16:31:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:31:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:31:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Family-owned amusement parks still survive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ugV7HL3kAg0HueChwewK5enm1G7UN-fOK3mwZ3xVgent_mY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jul 16, 2006 Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060716/ap_on_bi_ge/family_owned_amusement s_1 By DANIEL LOVERING PITTSBURGH, PA - There was a time when Andy Quinn went skiing every=20 year with a close-knit group of families that collectively owned 15=20 amusement parks. They hit the slopes by day and talked business at=20 night. But these days, Quinn, a 53-y.o. community relations director at=20 Kennywood =97 one of several parks his family jointly owns with another=20 family =97 has fewer companions during the weeklong outings. "We still=20 do it, but there's only about 4 parks that are represented now," he=20 said. "Of the 15, almost all those have either gone out of business=20 or been eaten by Six Flags." Six Flags Inc., the nation's 2nd-largest theme park operator after=20 The Walt Disney Co. in terms of attendance, built an empire by=20 snapping up facilities across the country in a buying spree that=20 started in the 1990s. Now the NY-based company, which owns 30 amusement and water parks=20 nationwide, is struggling with debt, sagging attendance numbers and=20 the growing perception that its parks are hangouts for rowdy=20 teenagers. Some small parks that remain in family hands, meanwhile, are=20 surviving and even prospering, largely because their owners are=20 closely attuned to the interests of their customers, industry=20 insiders say. They also tend to have shorter lines, more reasonable ticket prices=20 and friendly, long-term relationships with local people who visit=20 repeatedly =97 unlike tourists who make one-off trips to major theme=20 parks, they say. "The family-owned parks were always the backbone of=20 our industry," said Gary Slade, editor of the Arlington, TX-based=20 trade publication Amusement Today. "Do we have less numbers? Yes, but=20 are they going away? No, they have been here and they will continue=20 to be here." He said family-owned parks had been an integral part of the industry=20 for years and would likely carry on as long as they continue to=20 invest in their facilities. Amusement parks first sprang up in the 19th century on the East=20 Coast, with facilities built at the end of trolley lines, and evolved=20 in the 1950s with the introduction of large, fantasy-based theme=20 parks pioneered by Walt Disney. "We still have a number of family=20 parks in the U.S., but the numbers are not as strong as they were 10=20 years ago," said Slade, noting that some parks had been bought or=20 sold to property developers while others closed for lack of family=20 members to take over the business, among other reasons. Nearly 75% of the 320 amusement and theme parks in the U.S. draw less=20 than half a million people annually =97 a category that includes family- owned facilities, according to the International Association of=20 Amusement Parks and Attractions, a trade group. "There are many,=20 many, many smaller family-owned parks, but there has been some=20 consolidation," said Beth Robertson, an IAAPA spokeswoman, citing the=20 growth of large companies such as 6F, Disney, Universal Studios theme=20 parks and Cedar Fair. Among the family-owned parks scattered across the country are=20 Knoebels Amusement Park and Resort in Elysburg, Pa., Holiday World=20 and Splashin' Safari in Santa Claus, Ind., and Sandy Lake Park in=20 Dallas, TX, she said. Small parks continue to appeal to customers because "they create that=20 more intimate experience for visitors," said Robertson. "Often times=20 their lines are shorter and often our smaller parks focus on family=20 entertainment at reasonable prices," she said, adding that they also=20 may be near residential areas, making them particularly accessible. Rob Norris, chairman of Seabreeze Park in Rochester, N.Y., said small=20 park owners who operate their businesses "can make decisions quickly=20 and are very in tune with customers." "The family-owned parks I know of are doing very well financially,=20 sometimes better than the big parks," said Norris, whose family has=20 owned Seabreeze for 102 years. He said some had expanded over the past decade by adding water parks=20 and entertainment centers with miniature golf courses and go-cart=20 tracks.=20 Norris said the U.S. market is virtually saturated with large=20 amusement parks, but that there was still room for smaller parks,=20 particularly in 2nd-tier cities such as Rochester. "We offer a=20 different product," he said. "I think our biggest competition is for=20 free time." While there are no figures for the family-owned segment of the=20 amusement and theme park business, the overall industry has grown=20 substantially in recent years. A total of 335 million people visited amusement and theme parks in=20 the U.S. last year, up from 317 million in 2000 and 253 million in=20 1990. Total revenue jumped to $11.2 billion last year from $9.6=20 billion in 2000 and $5.7 billion in 1990, according to IAAPA figures. Kennywood, which 6F offered to buy in 1997, is no longer a mom-&-pop=20 business, according to Quinn, who said the park together with 3=20 others co-owned by his family earn between $80-$120 million=20 annually. "There's very few parks of our size left," he said,=20 pointing to acquisitions by 6F that thinned the ranks of family-owned=20 parks across the country. Attendance at the park has been flat at more than 1 million people=20 annually for the past 4-5 years, mainly because of the stagnant=20 regional economy and unusually hot weather last summer, he said. But local people are extraordinarily loyal to KWP, partly because=20 they have visited for generations, and the park plans to expand,=20 Quinn said. "They feel comfortable here," he said. Quinn also believes the park has a price advantage over bigger theme=20 parks. It charges $28.95 for a single-day ticket at the gate, while a=20 similar pass at Disneyland costs $59. KWP =97 the country's 12th oldest park =97 is also a national landmark=20 and a destination for rollercoaster enthusiasts. The park, which=20 first opened in 1898, has 3 wooden rollercoasters, all built in the=20 1920s. Nestled in a wooded area outside Pittsburgh, KWP has all the quaint=20 trappings of an old-time amusement park, with a carousel ringed with=20 wooden horses, a shooting gallery and a penny arcade. But the park has changed with the times by introducing new rides such=20 as the SwingShot, a giant pendulum-like ride that catapults seated=20 riders high into the air, said Quinn, a 35-year veteran of the=20 business. "We bring a sense of history to the industry, and we make=20 sure and we remind them that the industry just didn't start when=20 Disney started or just didn't start when 6F started," he said. --------- =A9 2006 The Associated Press =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 827 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 16:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 16:42:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:41:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:41:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Town closer to fun park addition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=j-ISwNkl5oQ1NMpSqhAepLBKMAcldaKzFuwmGEtxFTktpYU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 15, 2006 The Frederick News-Post http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm? storyid=3D50605 By Nancy Hernandez NEW MARKET, MD -- Elected leaders and the founder of Adventure Park=20 USA http://www.adventureparkusa.com/ moved a step closer to=20 annexing the amusement park into the town's limits Thursday. The park's CEO, Larry Stottlemyer, consented to the annexation=20 resolution that was proposed by New Market in June. The revised resolution provides the park with a 10-year tax break=20 from the town's property taxes. Also, amusement taxes paid by AP to=20 the town will be capped at 4% for 50 years. New Market will receive about $100,000 a year in amusement taxes from=20 the park, Stottlemyer said. That could increase to $200,000 a year if=20 AP adds a water park to its Baldwin Road property. The planned water park addition is what prompted Stottlemyer to=20 consent to the town's annexation proposal, he said. Shortly after he began the AP project across I-70 from New Market in=20 2003, elected officials began courting him to join the town. At that=20 time, Stottlemyer didn't see any benefit, but Frederick County's=20 political climate has changed, he said. He views annexation as one potential avenue to pursue the 10 sewer &=20 water connections he needs to build the water park addition.=20 Annexation doesn't guarantee water & sewer access, but Stottlemyer=20 hopes it will improve the park's chances. Due to water & sewer scarcity in the area around New Market,=20 connections must be allocated by the Frederick County Division of=20 Utilities and Solid Waste Management. New Market has been allocated a=20 certain number of connections each year according to an agreement=20 with the county and can decide who gets them. In the water agreement, which was signed in 2003, 500 water=20 connections were allocated to the town over a 10-year period. Before the annexation can be finalized, Frederick County officials=20 must determine that the proposed zoning on the property is consistent=20 with the county's comprehensive plan. The town will hold a public hearing on the annexation proposal within=20 the next couple of months. ---------- Copyright 1997-06 Randall Family, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71111 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: B-positive; donate blood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yyAkdJ4hDaB23Y3gYFGukWZonCTCuUO11lGMJzd-E4O9DHI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 17, 2006 The Courier-Journal http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060717/SCENE/607170311 Louisville, KY -- Paramount's Kings Island and the American Red Cross=20 River Valley Region are teaming to increase the area's blood supply=20 and to provide amusement-park excitement to people who donate blood=20 during next week's special drive. The Independence Holiday Blood Drive at Churchill Downs is held=20 annually to help offset shortages. The 2-day drive will be from 11=20 a.m. to 6 p.m. tomorrow and Wednesday in the track's air-conditioned=20 Paddock Pavilion. This year's drive is being held later than usual=20 due to the extended spring meet. Churchill Downs 700 Central Avenue Louisville, KY 40208 Main phone: 502.636.4400 Each person who donates blood will receive a 1-day pass to PKI. 400=20 passes will be given out each day during the drive. In addition to the pass, donors will receive a free Stoker's Broaster=20 chicken dinner, a Holiday Hero lapel pin and a coupon for a free pint=20 of Graeter's ice cream. To donate blood, you must be at least 17 y.o., weigh at least 110=20 lbs. and be in good health. You can donate every 56 days. --------- Copyright 2005 The Courier-Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 10:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90624 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 17:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 17:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 17:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 17:02:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 17:02:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 17:02:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:02:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: City to work to annex Six Flags Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PgFKATAIE1Zye99V94dUz7QTYWJ03rZJz4BebKvl2UhxBB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 07/16/2006 LA Daily News http://www.dailynews.com/santaclarita/ci_4057464 by JUDY O'ROURKE SANTA CLARITA, CA -- With the future of Six Flags California's Magic=20 Mountain uncertain, city officials will pursue partnering with the=20 theme park's owners to keep the operation humming. Armed with an array of financial incentives they say beat those=20 offered by the county =97 on whose turf the park lies =97 Santa Clarita=20 officials are poised to travel to N.Y. to begin talks with owner Six=20 Flags Corp. that would broach annexation to the city. "They are the=20 No. 1 employer for the valley and we have a large incentive to work=20 with them and make them as profitable as they can be," said Assistant=20 City Manager Ken Striplin. "We will be contacting them this week." N.Y.-based 6F announced a couple of weeks ago that 6FMM and Hurricane=20 Harbor are among the 6 properties it might sell to trim a $2.1=20 billion debt. On Tuesday, the City Council told City Manager Ken Pulskamp to=20 contact 6F's CEO and begin talks about the park, which is in=20 unincorporated LA County just outside city limits. The city benefits=20 from spillover cash spent for food, lodging, gas and retail sales. 6F spokeswoman Wendy Goldberg said Thursday she could not comment on=20 the matter. "We certainly try and be an active and positive presence=20 in the community and have for many years," she said, adding that no=20 timeline has been set for the park's future. "We're not even sure=20 we're definitely going to sell it." She said the company will explore strategic options for several parks=20 as part of an overall plan to deliver profits to shareholders, but=20 declined to elaborate. Electricity for the 17 rollercoasters and heating 6FHH's pools costs=20 plenty. In talks with 6F, the city will tout the absence of a utility=20 user tax =97 versus the county's 5% user tax =97 which could save the=20 company hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of dollars =97 a year,=20 Striplin said. And unlike the county, the city does not charge an=20 admission tax. The city's pitch will include touting the ability to get bucks back=20 from a coveted state program it hopes to join, which rewards=20 businesses for hiring eligible employees and buying certain=20 machinery. 6FMM would need to lie within city limits to participate=20 in that program. City officials will broach annexing the 250-acre property, which=20 Striplin says would not necessarily be more complex than the city's=20 other 26 annexations. "If it meets the requirements of an annexation,=20 it would be nothing but a simple annexation," said Sandor Winger,=20 executive officer of the county Local Agency Formation Commission,=20 which rules on municipal boundary changes. County officials would not be passive onlookers if overtures are made=20 toward what is believed to be one of the top 10 sales tax generators=20 in the unincorporated area. "6FMM is a very important economic=20 generator in the Santa Clarita Valley," said Paul Novak, a planning=20 deputy for Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich, whose 5th District=20 includes the park. "It employs approximately 4,000 people and the=20 supervisor is committed to working with 6F or any future operator to=20 maintain this economic asset for the valley." Antonovich looks forward to a "constructive dialogue" with 6F to see=20 what the county can do to keep 6FMM as a theme park, Novak said. Newhall Land and Farming Co., which built the amusement park that has=20 passed through several hands, owns surrounding acreage. Office=20 buildings are springing up at the base of the park, and the 21,000- home Newhall Ranch development is planned west of the city and=20 sprawling to the Ventura County line. "Our company's philosophy is=20 that we will process our plans based upon the community in which our=20 property is located," said NL&F spokeswoman Marlee Lauffer. "The I-5=20 Freeway is generally a boundary between the city and the county. So=20 the property that we own surrounding 6FMM is within the county=20 territory, and we have been working on plans regarding that property." Goldberg would not say whether other park operators had inquired=20 about the property, but Cedar Fair L.P., which owns Knott's Berry=20 Farm, Paramount's Great America in Santa Clara, Soak City water parks=20 in San Diego and Palm Springs and other large parks across the=20 country, says it will not be calling. "At this point in time, with=20 the acquisition of the Paramount parks, our focus is on integrating=20 these 5 properties into our current portfolio of assets and we're not=20 interested in additional acquisitions at this time," said Stacy=20 Frole, CF's spokeswoman. The company purchased 5 Paramount parks from=20 CBS Corp. for about $1.24 billion on June 30. CF acquired KBF in=20 1997. CF and 6F are the 2 largest public owners and operators of=20 regional amusement parks, Frole said. A Universal Studios Hollywood spokesman declined comment on the=20 matter and Universal Orlando officials did not return phone calls. A=20 county address will not stop city officials from paying the theme=20 park's owners a call. "6FMM is a landmark in the Santa Clarita=20 Valley," Striplin said of its 35-year tenure. "It's (future) is=20 certainly an issue of tremendous significance for us." --------- =A9 2006 Los Angeles Newspaper Group From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 13:20:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48686 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 20:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 20:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 20:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 20:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 20:17:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 20:17:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:17:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Newport Harbor Museum to move into Balboa Fun Zone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=lrGH0w8_heDpsEtvC0qNV4PggPODi8I09QPunnwUZEuf7URy-ZTE X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani They're moving the Newport Harbor Museum into the Balboa Fun Zone,=20 keeping the Ferris wheel but getting rid of the bumper cars and "two=20 more rides." I assume this means they're getting rid of everything=20 in that building that holds the bumper cars, the carousel, the=20 Little Drummer Boy, the minigolf, the Scary Dark Ride, the=20 trampoline, the rock wall, and the arcade, though that's more than=20 two other rides by my count. From the LA Times: http://tinyurl.com/q7tsb Kind of a shame. The Balboa Fun Zone isn't spectacular or anything,=20 but it's a nice place. In today's paper there are a couple of letters to the editor on the=20 subject: http://tinyurl.com/epeks Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 14:33:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67007 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 21:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 21:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 21:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 94505 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 21:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060717213333.94503.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.4.64] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:33:33 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: MOTLEY FOOL ARTICLE WARNING ABOUT SFI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=14kOSvOzxuO0yYHBsDZ9cej3r-ju4hF-DqdT6CIHrDRiIcoxZHPf X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure if thats what's going to happen to Six Flags, but I think the moral of the story is that it's definitely possible to turn a failing brand around into something thats really great < True. The Fool was speaking primarily of Weitz' interest in the Six Flags parks. And the bulk of the article praises Weitz' ability to go against the tide and turn what others thought was dross into gold. It will all depend on Shapiro and Snyder, and whether their vision can be sustained for the long term. As has been pointed out before, the amusement business has never been one of quick returns. Like theater, it's a business you get into because you love it, not because you expect to get rich. But with so many shareholders breathing down their necks, Shapiro and Snyder have got to focus on profitability. Perhaps one solution might be to take the company private and to heck with Wall Street. Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Jul 17 14:58:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29842 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 21:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 21:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao05.cox.net) (70.168.83.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([70.189.88.102]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060717215758.DXIE8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@MYCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:57:58 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c6a9ec$0e0bfb00$6658bd46@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acap7A1KCsQuUXDRRnaLqbALc94Uew== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: misc/question: worlds of fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=3S8CuZZc0PXU9T4Je6Qu6aSGKdfT-6H6f190EvZbPNpdDoJgjzLGww X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am hoping to go to Worlds of Fun pretty soon. What are the best days to go to avoid major crowds? Are there any non wet, non roller coaster rides that I should not miss? How long should I expect to wait in line for the roller coasters? Are there any other issues I should be advised of when I go? Thanks, Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 17 19:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74602 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 01:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 01:43:17 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2ebv-0007qK-44 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <44BC3CAA.7050602@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:43:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f492a30dbba72e9019b4a2c5b6d9248e242350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] quick TR: BGT 7/10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=O6-SjRVVbC7qeAKPfsxEmlxj8d8BQ__Ri7KtTxYRG9NIp5k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Feel like I'm way behind, and will be even more so when I leave Weds to be out of country for a few days. Ahh well, in any case... Doug Nelson wrote: RE: SheiKra > > anyone who says this thing delivers no air is on crack. the drop was > intense with airtime, just like a drop tower. and the brakes hardly > grabbed at all before the second drop. > > george, i know officially take back my prior review of this coaster > as "eh". i enjoyed the entire ride a lot more this time around. but > the front seat is the only option to really get the full enjoyment. hehe, told you. :P Though I do like the back the best, I can certainly see how people would prefer the front also. Happy that it moved up on your list a bit. > i queued up for Tiger, which had no wait for the back, whereas > across the station Lion looked to have about a 15 minute wait for > any row. > > needless to say, my expectations were met. this thing shook horribly > to the point i thought most of my bones would come out of their > sockets. its sad that while the coaster looks good and BG makes it > look good, the ride sucks. glad im done with both sides of Gwazi, > cause theres no way im gonna ever ride it again. Ahh, didn't I mention this last time? DON'T ride Gwazi in the back, especially if you don't like a ride that tosses you around violently. If you like a harsh ride, then you'll enjoy the back, but I much prefer up in the front of the trains. Second car first row is my preference, and the coaster is a heck of a lot of fun up there. And good enough that I can marathon it for a bunch of rides- which if you know me at all should indicate that it's not really a painful ride up there. Simple rule of thumb- if a wood coaster has a reputation for being rough, and you don't like that, then you're in for a painful experience in the back. Try it again sometime in teh front 2 cars of the ride and you'll probably come away with a different impression of it. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 17 19:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66490 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 01:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 01:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 01:54:10 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2emI-0002Pc-UE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <44BC3F2F.8020600@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:53:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <5D29D6EB-A041-4646-AEB7-1AE0749692BC@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <5D29D6EB-A041-4646-AEB7-1AE0749692BC@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f496d8044b7639af64f150883e088895fd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9qeGscI9hu_zW02iYaORtL76y1Q66AoktJSIKC6KvlzTUrI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > Thanks for the report Doug. It's looking like I'll be *finally* able > to visit Tampa in October, and I'm itching to ride Sheikra .. and > Kumba .. and Montu .. even Scorpion! Hey Cam, Be sure to let me know when you're actually going to be in the area. I'll do my best to schedule my days off that week so that I can meet up with you. And hey, if you're planning on visiting Disney at all, definitly let me know. I'm sure I can meet up with you there. I'm over at the Magic Kingdom most days now. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 17 19:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75558 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 02:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 02:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 02:32:13 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2fNZ-0000SB-15 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44BC4835.7090304@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:32:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f493ef014a2b2c6c32c52b25c1835f272a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=aHkCJfomY3Woc1rKLvbqobsg75W6OCBvkKlBPIicons17gE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > (gotta say I didn't like python though).. > > who does?!? Umm, me? It's obviously not a fantastic coaster compared to what else it out there now, but for what it is, and what it was at the time, I still think it's a great little coaster and will miss it. It's actually fairly easy to get a decent, non-painful ride on it. Just put your head back against the headrest, then lean it a bit to the left so that it's resting on the OTSR. A bit of bumping, but not painful, and pretty decent for a coaster that's almost 30 years old and made with none of the computers or most of the engineering and physics knowledge that is used today in building a coaster. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 17 19:42:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57436 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 02:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 02:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 02:27:59 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2fJW-0004I0-1k for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:28:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f495aa53e8219f42a919ba915a68a7c7a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=SbTGpPAbGRnog_hAGHcfN5MeygKx8heG3PZ30LlcqL2f_KU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Redzone is now realizing it's going to take far longer to turn the Six > Flags chain around than they first thought. That much is pretty obvious. There were a good number of people saying it was going to take a while, and with the "fixes" they were putting in place this year that they should expect their attendance to drop. Guess that they were still caught by surprise that so many didn't come when they increased their admission and parking costs by so much. This is disasterous for > parks like SFMM that are doing incredibly poorly, and I can't blame > them for wanting to get rid of it. Nate, I know that you think that SFMM is doing poorly, but every report that I've read by people who are more familiar with how the park is ACTUALLY doing financially says that it is extremely profitable. Yes, their guest reputation is down, and has been. And even Shapiro said on his initial tour some months ago that it was going to take some time to rebuild it. But financially the park does very well, and has for a long time. I also highly doubt that they're going to get rid of it- especially since their "thinking about it" seems to have the city and county ready to throw all sorts of financial incentives at them to make it even more profitable. Some parks (like the six in this > article) are already well on their way to turning around and have the > infrastructure to do that quickly. Parks like Magic Mountain are > going to take time, money, and patience that the company simply cannot > afford to give right now. It all makes perfect sense to me. yeah, but that's so easy to say when you live on the other side of the country from the park and outside of a couple of visits have little real personal knowledge of it. Having lived in the area, having had season passes and multiple visits for 6 years, and with several friends who live near the park and some that work there in various positions, the park is nowhere near the "dire straits" that you're painting it as. Yes it needs some work, and has. Much of that STILL hasn't been done under Shapiro either. But the park is far from collapsing on itself like you make it sound. > They *have* said as much. But they've used the other reasons (teens, > massive coaster arsenal) as reasons for selling SFMM instead of other > parks. Sorry, but it's a boatload of copouts and hyperbole. Shapiro is feeding off of problems the park had several years ago, not recently. Seems really kind of ironic to me that he keeps talking about gangs, roudy teens, adn other problems that really don't exist there when he's trying to get people into the park. They're certainly nowhere near what people have been painting. I found far more problems at SFoG then I EVER had at SFMM. In any case, I still maintain that they're idiots to even think about selling the park. They're not going to get the high price that some seem to think they would, and even if they sold it, it's not going to be allowed to be turned into some other project. They city of Santa Clarita and LA County have made that abundantly clear if you've been reading what they've been saying. In addition to the tax incentives, annexation, and other financial incentives they're starting to offer Six Flags, there is also a movement afloat to not only deny any zoning changes (which several members of the county board have already pledged to do), but some are talking about the local government buying the park. While I doubt that the latter will happen, nor do I think it would be a good idea, it's becoming clear that the only way Six Flags would really make money there is the same way they've already been making millions each year- to keep it open as a theme park. > It's not rising because Six Flags is in serious trouble from the debt > left by the old management. Those stock prices are still higher than > they have been in the past few years. Not by much anymore. Under the old regime they weren't rated as junk status as they are now, at least not by my recollection. And they're dropping pretty rapidly still. They went up a bunch because people hoped that Snyder and Shapiro might have done something to help the company. I think that some may be starting to think that they're causing it even more damage, hence why they're fleeing from the company and the prices are dropping. AT least that's my opinion. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jul 17 20:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70158 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 03:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 03:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 03:10:17 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so141297ugf for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr3099762ugh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kSUeicK9g6fKtGdSCy3yBPsW7zGxYPgQfNx06TOTF5eEaX3wcFCQvZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Redzone is now realizing it's going to take far longer to turn the Six > > Flags chain around than they first thought. > That much is pretty obvious. There were a good number of people saying > it was going to take a while, and with the "fixes" they were putting in > place this year that they should expect their attendance to drop. Nobody was saying that. When the old management was in charge, everyone was spouting off about what they should and shouldn't do, and how it would be easy to just change a few things (landscaping, training, staffing, operations, etc) and turn the chain around. What nobody counted on was that the reputations of the parks was going to continue to hurt them long term, even long after those problems have been eliminated. > This is disasterous for > > parks like SFMM that are doing incredibly poorly, and I can't blame > > them for wanting to get rid of it. > > Nate, I know that you think that SFMM is doing poorly, but every report > that I've read by people who are more familiar with how the park is > ACTUALLY doing financially says that it is extremely profitable. Well, I don't know what to tell you, but if you do the math it should be obvious. Add to that the fact that I talk with people who have actually seen the numbers, and you're not going to convince me that SFMM is "extremely profitable." Not by a long shot. There's overwhelming evidence pointing to the park doing poorly and none pointing to it doing well. It's simply common sense. >But financially the park does very well, and has for a long > time. Cold, hard numbers say otherwise. > I also highly doubt that they're going to get rid of it- especially > since their "thinking about it" seems to have the city and county ready > to throw all sorts of financial incentives at them to make it even more > profitable. None of those "incentives" are going to mean a thing to Six Flags. They're like throwing a few pennies - maybe even a quarter - at the problem. The same people saying they're never going to sell it are the same ones saying they'd never put it up for sale. It's time to take notice. > yeah, but that's so easy to say when you live on the other side of the > country from the park and outside of a couple of visits have little real > personal knowledge of it. I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I read the reports. I see the numbers. My personal feelings about the park have NOTHING to do with how I feel about the sale and its situation as a (hardly) profitable enterprise. > Sorry, but it's a boatload of copouts and hyperbole. Shapiro is feeding > off of problems the park had several years ago, not recently. And do you know why that is? Because that's the impression that people have of the park, and it's killing them! He's said time and time that if you scare Mom away once, she's not coming back. That's *exactly* what's happening here. He's not saying that gangs and such are a problem now - that'd be foolish given that it's under his control! He's saying the reputation of the park is damaged beyond saving at this point. > They went up a bunch because people hoped that Snyder and Shapiro might > have done something to help the company. I think that some may be > starting to think that they're causing it even more damage, hence why > they're fleeing from the company and the prices are dropping. They're dropping because Redzone came right out and said that it's going to take far more effort, money, and (most importantly) time to turn the chain around. Those with stocks want quick returns, and they're realizing they're not going to get that with Six Flags. -Nate From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 21:13:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38877 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 04:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 04:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 04:13:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 04:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 04:13:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 04:13:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:13:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44BC4835.7090304@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=hI1h5zI6AzmQlQOzwtTeW9Gy3C9o1qQceHVVW7E-agNEYUm9gw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Doug Nelson wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > > (gotta say I didn't like python though).. > >=20 > > who does?!? >=20 > Umm, me? It's obviously not a fantastic coaster compared to what else=20 > it out there now, but for what it is, and what it was at the time, I=20 > still think it's a great little coaster and will miss it. >=20 > It's actually fairly easy to get a decent, non-painful ride on it. Just= =20 > put your head back against the headrest, then lean it a bit to the left=20 > so that it's resting on the OTSR. A bit of bumping, but not painful,=20 > and pretty decent for a coaster that's almost 30 years old and made with= =20 > none of the computers or most of the engineering and physics knowledge=20 > that is used today in building a coaster. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I'm upset that I didn't get the credit when I was there back in 02. it looked decent , i guess i'm not meant to ride more than 1 arrow looper i= n a busch park! From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 21:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5678 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 04:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 04:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 04:07:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 04:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 04:06:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:06:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.150.253 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=3EIwLgvjW5s6oqUABD9VX3zSVcIVJTi43113N52N0s1xRIX7Sb6G X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani George and Nate: > > Nate, I know that you think that SFMM is doing poorly, but every=20 > > report that I've read by people who are more familiar with how the > > park is ACTUALLY doing financially says that it is extremely=20 > > profitable. >=20 > Well, I don't know what to tell you, but if you do the math it=20 > should be obvious. Add to that the fact that I talk with people who=20 > have actually seen the numbers, and you're not going to convince me=20 > that SFMM is "extremely profitable." Not by a long shot. There's > overwhelming evidence pointing to the park doing poorly and none > pointing to it doing well. It's simply common sense. I don't think anybody here is going to be satisfied with either of these positions until we see the numbers with a reliable source. Otherwise we're just shouting back and forth. Let's all see the numbers, or a reliable analysis of them or something. Otherwise we can't even agree on what the facts are. And if all we know is that "it is extremely profitable" or "it is unprofitable," my first response will be "relative to what?" I don't think any of this is "simply common sense" until we see the real numbers. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 18 04:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62584 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2nlS-00020L-3y for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:29:22 -0400 Message-ID: <44BCC61E.6060207@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:29:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f4909f6e6c7ed665fe5d10b21128611828d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2M9nkY4CEhTR-8yIp-iziw9MeZyTJEjb6UeZ678fN085Q50 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > > Redzone is now realizing it's going to take far longer to turn the Six > > > Flags chain around than they first thought. > > > That much is pretty obvious. There were a good number of people saying > > it was going to take a while, and with the "fixes" they were putting in > > place this year that they should expect their attendance to drop. > > Nobody was saying that. Then forgive me Nate if it's apparent to me that you weren't paying much attention to what people were really saying back then. Snyder and Shapiro were the ones talking about an immediate turn around. There were a large number of people talking about what they would do, but there weren't many saying it would be quick. I can recall several posts here saying their expectations of a turnaround in one season were unrealistic. Same with URC. Maybe it's just because you've been hanging around with the "buzzards" :) I know that I was making posts that were saying they should expect it to take a few years for the parks to turnaround- even while there were a large number of things that I would do in one year to make those changes. But it takes a while for those changes to fully take effect. Just because someone says there are a large number of things they would change immediately does not mean they're expecting those changes to have full effect right away. Amusement and theme parks can't look for a quick fix and expect a quick return. It's a long term business and that's how everything in it should be looked at- for the long term return, and not only the next season. > > >But financially the park does very well, and has for a long > > time. > > Cold, hard numbers say otherwise. We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one Nate. I realize you've got your numbers. I've got mine from the local governments as well as from friends that actually work at the park. I know where my numbers come from and that they're reliable. Yours no one but you know where they really come from, and you're on the other side of the country. Sorry, but I'll stick to mine, and to my assertions that the park is highly profitable. > None of those "incentives" are going to mean a thing to Six Flags. > They're like throwing a few pennies - maybe even a quarter - at the > problem. When those incentives are to the tune of a million dollar reduction in energy costs, and a few million dollars in tax breaks? You may consider it pennies, but to a company that is deep in dept having an extra 5 million dollars in free profits for doing nothing but bluster is a valuable commodity. And it's only starting. The same people saying they're never going to sell it are > the same ones saying they'd never put it up for sale. It's time to > take notice. I didn't say that they wouldn't put it up for sale. I said they would be stupid to. Especially in light of the fact that the property is NOT going to be allowed to be anything but an amusement park, and as such Six Flags is not going to be able to make any sort of financial killing on the property from mogul developers. Again Nate, you have to stop prognosticating from a couple of thousand miles away and get into and understand the local scene. This isn't Whalom Park where most of the locals don't care. It's not going to happen like you think- the local governments and people will simply not allow it to. > I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I read the reports. > I see the numbers. My personal feelings about the park have NOTHING > to do with how I feel about the sale and its situation as a (hardly) > profitable enterprise. You may read a couple of reports from Six Flags, and I don't know what numbers you read. But it's fairly obvious that you're pretty much unaware of what the locals really think about the park, as well as the local government officials and the area. It would be like me commenting on Holiday World's or SFGrAmerica with only a couple of visits and a couple of reads online. You don't get, nor understand, the real picture. Not unless you're reading the local papers (which I still do) and talking to the locals. And they're adament that "They're NOT closing our park." He's said time and > time that if you scare Mom away once, she's not coming back. That's > *exactly* what's happening here. He's not saying that gangs and such > are a problem now - that'd be foolish given that it's under his > control! He's saying the reputation of the park is damaged beyond > saving at this point. And he's repeating it over and over again, reinforcing the idea. And in his comments he makes it sound like it's something the park is still dealing with, which it's not nor has been in years. Again, that's something that the locals are aware of, but you won't see from news from outside the area. But to a local, it sounds like he's saying the park is a trash heap with a bunch of hoodlums running around. Instead of talking about what the park used to be like, maybe he should try talking about what the park really is like. It sounds like his focus, instead of being on the positives in the park, and on what they can do to improve it's future, is more on the negative past that hasn't existed in years. would love to comment more, but have to run to work keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 11:17:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26536 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 17:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 17:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 17:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 17:58:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 17:58:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44BC3CAA.7050602@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: quick TR: BGT 7/10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=h0ChG5dRt8EndqiBjrO1PCdLEeCPxWTdTxSB3bhjui-Aaiw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > SNIP < > Simple rule of thumb- if a wood coaster has a reputation for being=20 > rough, and you don't like that, then you're in for a painful=20 experience=20 > in the back. Try it again sometime in teh front 2 cars of the ride=20 and=20 > you'll probably come away with a different impression of it. > keep on ridin' > George I agree. That's why I can ride Colossus (6FMM). -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 11:36:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80695 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 18:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 18:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 18:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 18:11:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:11:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park Announces Major Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZPgJbradVMyHzvVS2_3EWPdrBdmpUnC_r0S1vcHSAXvuUOw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 18, 2006 News 8 WMTW http://www.wmtw.com/news/9533972/detail.html?rss=3Dport&psp=3Dnews By Danielle Strauss=20 SACO, Maine -- A York County amusement park is celebrating its 40th=20 season by making a huge splash. Funtown-Splashtown USA in Saco has announced a 2-acre, multimillion- dollar expansion. The plan calls for the elimination of the park's miniature golf=20 course - one of the original attractions - and the building of 2 new=20 7-story super slides. The expansion - which will effectively double the park's size - will=20 also include additional seating and lounge areas, as well as a dozen=20 new seasonal jobs. Construction is scheduled to begin this fall and be completed by June=20 2007. ----------- Copyright 2006 by WMTW. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 18 13:02:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61462 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 19:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 19:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 19:43:35 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so696443uge for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr3989223ugm; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:29:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44BCC61E.6060207@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> <44BCC61E.6060207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZHwK8H__NNRHo3B0K5bd_LnGhAgIkMoZLhefpEAZ9atySUeDbbKQSjo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Then forgive me Nate if it's apparent to me that you weren't paying much > attention to what people were really saying back then. Snyder and > Shapiro were the ones talking about an immediate turn around. There > were a large number of people talking about what they would do, but > there weren't many saying it would be quick. I wish you could find me where you (or anyone) said that the Six Flags turnaround would be slow and gradual. People were cutting down on Redzone's proposals from the beginning, yes, but nobody was arguing that it was going to be a long, slow road no matter who was in charge. On the contrary, there were plenty of "If I were in charge, I would do this to fix the chain..." threads. And there were plenty of people claiming it would be EASY to fix Six Flags. It's *not* going to be as easy as everyone thought, and it has little to do with who is in charge and a lot to do with damage that was done years ago. > We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one Nate. I realize > you've got your numbers. I've got mine from the local governments as > well as from friends that actually work at the park. Local governments don't get profitability numbers from theme parks, so I don't buy that. Friends who work in low level park positions don't either. Attendance and profit numbers (on a park by park basis) are not released to the public in any form. > I know where my > numbers come from and that they're reliable. Yours no one but you know > where they really come from, and you're on the other side of the > country. Oh please. Everyone who knows me knows where my numbers come from, you included. And everyone should know exactly why they're reliable. I'll be happy to plug the public numbers once I get home and have access to them. > When those incentives are to the tune of a million dollar reduction in > energy costs, and a few million dollars in tax breaks? You may consider > it pennies, but to a company that is deep in dept having an extra 5 > million dollars in free profits for doing nothing but bluster is a > valuable commodity. And it's only starting. It's not an extra 5 million dollar profit, it's a $5 million reduction on the burden that is SFMM. Do you really think a company that is nearly two billion dollars in debt is going to make a major decision (such as not selling a park) on the basis of a few million dollars? That's a quarter of one percent of Six Flags' debt. It means nothing. > I didn't say that they wouldn't put it up for sale. I said they would > be stupid to. Especially in light of the fact that the property is NOT > going to be allowed to be anything but an amusement park, and as such > Six Flags is not going to be able to make any sort of financial killing > on the property from mogul developers. Six Flags doesn't care who buys the park as long as they pay for it. If they can sell it for huge bucks, they will. If they can't, they won't. I don't see anything idiotic about that. > Again Nate, you have to stop prognosticating from a couple of thousand > miles away and get into and understand the local scene. This isn't > Whalom Park where most of the locals don't care. That's hilarious. I think the locals cared far more about Whalom than they do about SFMM. Whalom had campaigns going for it, however small and misdirected. The surrounding communities may want to hold on to SFMM for tax and employment reasons, but if SIx Flags wants to go, they're gonna' go. > You may read a couple of reports from Six Flags, and I don't know what > numbers you read. But it's fairly obvious that you're pretty much > unaware of what the locals really think about the park, as well as the > local government officials and the area. Funny, the dismal attendance numbers seem to back up exactly what I'm saying. I say people have been burned by the park and don't want go to back. Attendance numbers say the same thing. I say there are few families attending the park. Those who have been to the park recently have said similar things. And that should be obvious. If you're making a decision about where to bring a family, are you really going to choose SFMM over Knott's or Disney? > You don't get, nor understand, the real > picture. Not unless you're reading the local papers (which I still do) > and talking to the locals. And they're adament that "They're NOT > closing our park." Except the locals have little say in the matter. And beyond that, what is there to understand? Attendance is down. Six Flags wants to sell because it's not bringing in cash. It's not a conspiracy, it's common sense. > And he's repeating it over and over again, reinforcing the idea. And in > his comments he makes it sound like it's something the park is still > dealing with, which it's not nor has been in years. Sure it is. People aren't coming back because of the experiences they had years ago. The people who are visiting are very much the rowdy teen crowd. That doesn't mean gangs or gang fights, but it's not the demographic he's looking for. > It sounds like his focus, instead of being on the > positives in the park, and on what they can do to improve it's future, > is more on the negative past that hasn't existed in years. This is coming from the same person who for the past five years has done nothing but talk about the poor state of affairs at SFMM. Suddenly things are fine when it helps your case? I'll call your bluff. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65301 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 20:08:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 20:08:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 20:08:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:08:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park opened along Kayalpattinam beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=b6VZjFFNhBe_WI71X4n6scUReF0v7qxzI-sRY5GZyy0tVzs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jul 19, 2006 The Hindu http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/19/stories/2006071914850100.htm By R. Vimal Kumar Kayalpattinam, Tuticorin District, India -- A decade-long wait for=20 residents of the historic Kayalpattinam town, situated 33 km from=20 here, to have recreational facilities along the beach has come to an=20 end with the inauguration of a park on Sunday. Though the first proposal to set up a park along the beach was=20 submitted to the State Government by the then district administration=20 in 1997, the project found light only now. Situated on 10,000 sq-mt area on the beach, this park has been=20 constructed on an outlay of Rs.30 lakh. "Of the total project cost,=20 Rs.15 lakh was borne by the Department of Tourism, Rs.10 lakh taken=20 from the small savings incentive fund and the remaining from the=20 Kayalpattinam municipal exchequer," T. Chellappa, District Tourism=20 Officer, told The Hindu. The park has 3 attractive fountains built at a cost of Rs 1.14 lakh,=20 which can entice any visitor. 2 of the fountains are placed near=20 `artificial mountains' with 8 toy birds `sitting' on them. Stylishly trimmed lawns at the park set up at a cost of Rs 6.3 lakh=20 provide greenery and attract visitors, who love the smell of nature. Nicely laid walking tracks, constructed at Rs.four lakh, and play=20 materials such as swings and slides for children worth Rs.2 lakh=20 attract visitors of all ages. In all, 15 mercury lamps and 10 cost- efficient lamps adorn the park. The authorities have built 50 benches made of granite stones inside=20 the park, on an outlay of Rs.1.25 lakh, for the visitors to sit and=20 enjoy the beauty of the cascading waves. --------- =A9 2006, The Hindu From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 15:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63504 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 20:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 20:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 20:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 20:19:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2006 20:19:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:19:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock International breaks ground on US$400m theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=A5QXinfnDZoDCMGnicQxMiquLKM6_VfusUyi_WGyV5AzLcw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 17 Jul 2006=20 World & Liesure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D16142 Myrtle Beach, SC -- Hard Rock International, the restaurant, hotel=20 and casino chain, has broken ground on a $400m theme park at Fantasy=20 Harbour in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The 140-acre Hard Rock Park will use HR branding, but be designed,=20 constructed, owned and operated by developer HRP Myrtle Beach=20 Operations. Funding will come from a group of investors led by N.Y.=20 real estate developer Ziel Feldman. S.C. governor, Mark Sanford, who was at the ceremony, previously=20 said: "HR Park represents the single largest investment in tourism=20 infrastructure in S.C.'s history. We believe that this project will=20 significantly accelerate the growth of the state's largest export =96=20 tourism." Myrtle Beach attracts 14 million visitors a year, staying an average=20 of 5.5 days and the park is expected to receive more than 30,000=20 guests per day. The park will include more than 40 attractions in 6=20 zones "celebrating rock's culture, lifestyle, legends and=20 irreverence", as well as a live music amphitheatre, rollercoasters,=20 restaurants, caf=E9s and a HR Hotel. Hamish Dodds, president and CEO of HR International, said: "In both=20 the HR Park and Hotel we will be working with some of rock's=20 legendary artists to create a unique entertainment venue." The project is scheduled to open in April 2008. Details:=20 www.hrpusa.com ------------ =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 17:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4021 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 00:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 00:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 00:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 65078 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 00:04:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060719000454.65076.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.253.132] by web53102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:54 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Park Announces Major Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=hc9fl9wafIO_xeIWFAv1J6ZDSnLbKY7wGRAvhCyyp-UM9GD0xqk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The plan calls for the elimination of the park's miniature golf=20 course - one of the original attractions - and the building of 2 new=20 7-story super slides. < Oh man, here we go again.... A family attraction is being replaced by a th= rill ride. Funtown had one of the best traditional mini-golf courses I've = played. It was lushly landscaped and whimsical, with many unique holes. I= guess this was inevitable. The golf course abutted their water park and t= he highway. The slides will be a bigger visual draw. What I find peculiar is that Funtown bought out the water park down the str= eet from them a few years ago. I would have thought they'd move their wate= r park equipment onto that property, expand that and focus instead on filli= ng their own midway with "dry" amusement rides. Perhaps the new slides are= being moved from the old water park. In any case, I'll miss that mini-golf course. There seem to be fewer and f= ewer left for us old folks. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 17:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70028 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 23:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2006 23:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 23:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 48523 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2006 23:12:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060718231246.48519.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.253.132] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:12:46 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:12:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=A7hUICqAdCfQDVHEotOB9RBw7bq7JPJvC3r1yiYx835DZirbluTn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > That's hilarious. I think the locals cared far more about Whalom than they do about SFMM. Whalom had campaigns going for it, however small and misdirected. < I got to experience those loving locals first hand. There were a few park = enthusiasts who cared about Whalom, and of course Allyson Bowen. But sitti= ng at that Save Whalom Park table in the Fitchburg mall, I really wanted to= curl up and hide. So many people stopped by just to tell me how glad they= were that the park was gone. They couldn't wait for the condos to go up. Whalom was a small park in desperate need of a cash infusion. I can't real= ly see comparing its clientele with SFMM, which is five times the size of W= halom and has had *tons* of cash pumped into it. It seems to me that *many= * locals will often diss their home park, probably because they've grown ac= customed to it -- and most likely because they're not park enthusiasts. Fo= r many of them, it's probably simply a place to hang out in the summer. Bu= t for enthusiasts (especially those who haven't been there) it's one of the= wonders of the coaster world. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We=92re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo= ! Groups.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jul 18 18:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29757 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6INEmK1025756 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SFMM NOTES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=WzpeyEicJ-eRqX4IIDtmHMWjOjgO4urhBfQoZe1FVESnbvHP8l8_ X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't I say that one of the things that could possibly help the park is a reduction on the electric bill as those rides cost alot of money to operate? http://www.dailynews.com/santaclarita/ci_4057464 The above's an article that ran on www.dailynews.com and I find it interesting that what I thought along would happen is coming to fruition. I've been thinking of ways to reduce the debt load of Six Flags, Inc., and another idea came to mind. It's along the lines of the Franchise Agreement but instead of selling entire parks to investment groups, sell interest in certain parks to help aleviate the burden..... how about selling maybe, 25-35% interest in the parks separately. I'm sure some investment groups would welcome the idea of owning part of a certain park, and have an interest in how it performs. The idea is that the "partners" would share in the expense of running the park, while SFI retains majority control. Any ideas on this one as I know it may sound wierd? Onto another subject, why is it some on here want to see SFMM's demise? We are enthusiasts and lovers of theme parks, aren't we? Another subject..... profitability and "numbers" are being thrown around.... "I've seen these numbers, and we've seen these." I've got one statement, call Wendy Goldberg at SFI's Headquarters directly. Here's the info: Six Flags, Inc. Wendy Goldberg, 212-652-9393 If you want to reach SFMM, here's the parks info: Six Flags Magic Mountain 26101 Magic Mountain Parkway Valencia, California 91355 (661) 255-4100 or (818)367-5965 Find out for yourselves, and if you've got different numbers that state otherwise, it's time to quote your sources. Joe Tampa, FL SFMM, and certain parks, have and are profitable and contribute SFI's bottom line. Joe, Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 18 21:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66440 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 03:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 03:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 03:17:09 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so135274ugc for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr225725ugl; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:17:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060718231246.48519.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060718231246.48519.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=DuTxOts22m4uTpNIFjteCMZ1gtt0J6NrrbYEUh0V7Yp_edCqffq7Bc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I got to experience those loving locals first hand. There were a few park > enthusiasts who cared about Whalom, and of course Allyson Bowen. ...So many > people stopped by just to tell me how glad they were that the park was gone. > They couldn't wait for the condos to go up. Interesting. I've never heard you tell that story before. Any idea why people were so thrilled to see Whalom go? I can see indifference, but I can't see why anyone (other than the developer and those really wanting to purchase a condo) would be overjoyed to see it destroyed. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 18 21:21:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70587 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 01:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 01:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G30nx-0001j6-1l for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: <44BD89ED.5020108@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:25:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> In-Reply-To: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f497307b51da8c29fe7ab72c222911a64cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM NOTES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ZU1aNQPOdfG-enLcuBxTheKayDbcbfUqtC8eZx3owqNqjdY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > Onto another subject, why is it some on here want to see SFMM's demise? > We are enthusiasts and lovers of theme parks, aren't we? I don't think anyone wants to see SFMM disappear. But when looked at from a business point of view, some can see that being a good option. But there are multiple kinds of business views also. :) > > Another subject..... profitability and "numbers" are being thrown > around.... "I've seen these numbers, and we've seen these." I've got one > statement, Ok, since you posted contacts, want to post what you know? > Find out for yourselves, and if you've got different numbers that state > otherwise, it's time to quote your sources. Sounds easy, but in many cases those sources can't be quoted because of violations of their NDA's. If they were to be actually named (even though in some cases some of us know who they are), it can cause them to get into great amounts of trouble, fired, or even sued for passing on confidential information. It's frustrating, because I would love to be able to actually give a couple of names, but I'm not going to risk my friends' careers for it. > SFMM, and certain parks, have and are profitable and contribute SFI's > bottom line. Absolutely! There's a reason that Del Holland didn't lose his job while other GM's in the company did. To bad they didn't use some of those profits back in the park. I think it would have earned them more profits in the long run, but the corporate offices wouldn't let them. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 18 22:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43946 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 03:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 03:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 03:16:04 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so115488ugf for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.19 with SMTP id w19mr217399ugg; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:15:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM NOTES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Q3ftglxPi5FIK1_IP0FA20XPkmevJfi2MK71VYJ6CZhVsy0XmPMY7T0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > but instead of selling entire parks to investment groups, sell interest in certain > parks to help aleviate the burden..... how about selling maybe, 25-35% > interest in the parks separately. Why would Six Flags want to give up 25-35% of its profit on its parks? They need that profit to pay off the company's massive debt. Do you think those with stock in the company are going to stand behind the company giving up a quarter of its income? > Onto another subject, why is it some on here want to see SFMM's demise? We > are enthusiasts and lovers of theme parks, aren't we? I don't think anybody on here wants to see Six Flags Magic Mountain close. Losing any park is unfortunate, no matter how big or how small. Some just happen to understand how much trouble the chain is in, and why it may be necessary to sell in order to keep the company afloat. > Another subject..... profitability and "numbers" are being thrown around.... "I've > seen these numbers, and we've seen these." I've got one statement, > call Wendy Goldberg at SFI's Headquarters directly. Here's the info: > Six Flags, Inc. > Wendy Goldberg, 212-652-9393 LOL! Six Flags doesn't release its attendance, revenue, or operating expense figures on a park by park basis. They don't do it for stockholders, they don't do it for major news organizations, and they're certainly not going to do it to individuals who have no ties to the company or its stock. I'm sure Mrs. Goldberg will be thrilled to hear from enthusiasts trying to pry revenue figures from her. Actually, she'd probably get a good laugh out of it. > SFMM, and certain parks, have and are profitable and contribute SFI's bottom > line. The vast majority of Six Flags parks are profitable and are worth keeping around. SFMM just isn't one of them. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 18 23:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24204 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 01:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 01:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 01:35:18 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G30hJ-00021g-7R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:17:57 -0400 Message-ID: <44BD8850.5030106@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:18:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <000801c6a78b$b1a37490$69857f46@THUNDER7NYFL> <44BC473A.9060003@earthlink.net> <44BCC61E.6060207@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f49694bd25a7c0cdb199815196d3f050f00350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4aA_G0p8PzFZpF09ndW5JvBRaYH_A7SOJ-zr6EQX8H1B_dg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > I wish you could find me where you (or anyone) said that the Six Flags > turnaround would be slow and gradual. Really? Have you already forgotten the multiple discussions back in Feb? It's been said repeatedly. Sorry if I don't have the time to go through and dig through the archives of discussions from Oct through May of last year. But I've said repeatedly that it's going to take a couple of years at least to really see if they're turning it around or not. Jay has also repeatedly said that you can't make an investment for one year, but that theme parks are long term investments. It's been said, but maybe you missed it or misunderstood. People were cutting down on > Redzone's proposals from the beginning, yes, but nobody was arguing > that it was going to be a long, slow road no matter who was in charge. > On the contrary, there were plenty of "If I were in charge, I would > do this to fix the chain..." threads. And there were plenty of people > claiming it would be EASY to fix Six Flags. It's *not* going to be as > easy as everyone thought, and it has little to do with who is in > charge and a lot to do with damage that was done years ago. I think this may be it here. There are a LOT of fixes that I would make in the company, as would others. And most of those fixes would be done right away, or as soon as possible. They're not time consuming, and in many cases are not all that expensive- especially compared to the cost of a new major coaster. But that's very different than seeing the return on those investments and improvements. That would see minimal impact the first year because people wouldn't know about them. They are the kind of thing that are harder to advertise and that you have to rely on word of mouth and repeat visits to build upon. That takes time- years in some cases. A quick fix, of which there are many that Six Flags can make, is far from the same thing as a quick turn around. And I don't recall to many saying that Six Flags would be making a big financial and attendance turn around quickly, just (hopefully) a lot of improvements that would pay off over the long haul. Very different things Nate. > > > We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one Nate. I realize > > you've got your numbers. I've got mine from the local governments as > > well as from friends that actually work at the park. > > Local governments don't get profitability numbers from theme parks, so > I don't buy that. Friends who work in low level park positions don't > either. Attendance and profit numbers (on a park by park basis) are > not released to the public in any form. When your profits are part of what get taxed, then you have to provide those numbers to the government entities that tax you. And who said anything about low-level positions? I think that you'd be surprised at who I know and in what capacity at SFMM Nate. But that's besides the point. Again, I know that my numbers, and my sources, are good. > Oh please. Everyone who knows me knows where my numbers come from, > you included. And everyone should know exactly why they're reliable. You're right, I do know who your numbers come from. And I'm sorry but while I'm sure he gets some glimpses into how other parks are doing, I doubt that he's got as in depth knowledge as you're playing he does. I might be wrong on that, but I'd gladly take my friends words, based on their positions in the company, over yours anyday. More years, more seniority. > It's not an extra 5 million dollar profit, it's a $5 million reduction > on the burden that is SFMM. Do you really think a company that is > nearly two billion dollars in debt is going to make a major decision > (such as not selling a park) on the basis of a few million dollars? > That's a quarter of one percent of Six Flags' debt. It means nothing. Only if you're looking at a short term killing, which is the wrong way to look at an amusement park. They're not short term deals. Again, it absolutely is profit, and from a park that is already making a good profit, regardless of what you want to believe. And when you start adding up a minimum of $5 million a year, and very likely more, over the course of a few years that starts to add up quickly. And that's with doing nothing. Whereas if they sell the park, sure they might be able to reduce a chunk of the debt, but they would also put a major financial hit on the company in ongoing profit, marketability, reputation, market reach, and many other areas. > Six Flags doesn't care who buys the park as long as they pay for it. > If they can sell it for huge bucks, they will. If they can't, they > won't. I don't see anything idiotic about that. But that's just it- they're not going to be able to sell it for huge bucks. The only way they could have any shot of that would be to sell it to a developer, and with the local governments already taking steps to block development of the area as anything but a park, no one will buy it that way. And you're not going to get it sold as a major amusement park for the price they want. Unless they're willing to repeat the financially disastrous sales of SFWoA, where they lost money by selling it for less than they paid before they even put in rides in, or SFAW where they sold it for less than half of what they claimed they would get, and didn't even get to sell the rides for close to what they claimed they would get. Looks like they're trying to repeat the same pattern. > > > Again Nate, you have to stop prognosticating from a couple of thousand > > miles away and get into and understand the local scene. This isn't > > Whalom Park where most of the locals don't care. > > That's hilarious. I think the locals cared far more about Whalom than > they do about SFMM. Whalom had campaigns going for it, however small > and misdirected. The surrounding communities may want to hold on to > SFMM for tax and employment reasons, but if SIx Flags wants to go, > they're gonna' go. And that alone shows me that you have no concept or clue about the locals. Heck, even my father-in-law, who lives in the areas could care less about amusement parks, said that he was noticing how much the people were already lining up to fight it being changed to anything but a park. > Funny, the dismal attendance numbers seem to back up exactly what I'm > saying. I say people have been burned by the park and don't want go > to back. Attendance numbers say the same thing. I say there are few > families attending the park. Those who have been to the park recently > have said similar things. And that should be obvious. They said the same thing about SFAW, which was swamped to the point that they reached capacity several times it's last month. People like the park, but they don't like how it's been the last few years and want to see it improved. Then they'll return. So far even the promised improvements haven't really come. If you're > making a decision about where to bring a family, are you really going > to choose SFMM over Knott's or Disney? Over Knott's? Absolutely! While I like Knott's, my last couple of visits there were not what they had been in the past, and SFMM had surpassed it. Disney? Would anyone choose any park over Disney (well, maybe IOA, but that's an exception.) And why would you choose a park that is charging more for admission and parking than Disney. OH, but wait, that was a Shapiro move- one of his "improvements." My mistake. > Except the locals have little say in the matter. And beyond that, > what is there to understand? Attendance is down. Six Flags wants to > sell because it's not bringing in cash. It's not a conspiracy, it's > common sense. Nate, when is the last time that you took a government refresher course? You bet the locals have a say- in the form of planning and advisory committees, county board of supervisors, and city councils. And when the county boards and city councils have said they will block any zoning changes or any sale for any purpose other than an amusement park, then you can count it blocked. > This is coming from the same person who for the past five years has > done nothing but talk about the poor state of affairs at SFMM. > Suddenly things are fine when it helps your case? I'll call your > bluff. Called and all in! :) You bet I've claimed that the park has been allowed to be run into the ground over the last few years. And that people have been staying away because of that and a lack of things for families to do together. Not changing that tune at all. They're not staying away because of the violence. Maybe people in Wiscosin are, because that's all they are hearing from the company's CEO, but the locals know better. They're waiting for the park to be fixed up, improvements made, and something new offered besides a new roller coaster. And at a decent cost, relative to it's value (meaning lower than Disney, since it's NOT Disney in any way) When that happens, they'll begin to come back. It's going to take a while, as the improvements are solidified and last for more than 3 weeks. And when they find a nice park waiting, then they'll return again- and again. But right now it's not going to happen when the park hasn't been fixed, and the only thing really done is that prices have been raised to a ridiculous level. You can't get them coming back when they won't even step in the gates because of the cost. Quick fixes? Yes, there are plenty of things that can be done quickly and easily to return the park to the state it should be in, adn make it a pleasant place again. Quick turn-around? No. It's going to take a while- years, for it to reach the attendance that it used to have, and more. Years of consistent work and maintaining those fixes put in originally. Snyder and Shapiro however don't have the patience to do it right. They want a quick turnaround, or they want out. And quick turn-arounds like that are the rare exceptions in amusement parks. And with that Nate, I'll let you have the last word (I know you're dying for it, hehe) since I have to finish packing and catch a plane. I will say this, though. As much as I disagree with you, and end up growing at my computer, I'm happy you're posting! It's certainly keeping the list lively and entertaining, and I missed that while you were gone. Now if everyone felt as free to post up their input and opinions, and realized that when we disagreed that we don't mean it personally. :) So when are you coming to Disney again? hehe keep on ridin' George (on my way to Medellin, see you in a week, so behave! :P ) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 01:05:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28998 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 07:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 07:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 07:37:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 07:37:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 07:37:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 07:37:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:37:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44BD8850.5030106@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.129.173.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ucHvoB3IY6ixvvl6QbNildoOHy0GfVMYkgjGwT3zqq_R_SVhb5A_ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > If you're > > making a decision about where to bring a family, are you really=20 > going to choose SFMM over Knott's or Disney? >=20 > Over Knott's? Absolutely! While I like Knott's, my last couple of=20 > visits there were not what they had been in the past, and SFMM had=20 > surpassed it. Whoa, really? Well, you have kids and I don't, but my overall impression is that SFMM has coasters that are too intense for younger kids, not much in the way of atmosphere or theming, is spread out over hills that make it tougher on the legs over the course of a day, etc. At Knott's, though, Camp Snoopy runs circles around Bugs Bunny World, there's more intermediate-level attractions, more theming, more interesting shops, and better food, and you can't beat the price ($14.95 for kids!). They've lost some atmosphere under Cedar Fair (I really miss the Haunted Shack), but they've got a lot mroe to spare than SFMM ever did. The guests you see at the parks bear this out, too; most of SFMM's are between about 15 and 24, whereas at Knott's I see a whole bunch of kids. > You bet the locals have a say- in the form of planning and=20 > advisory committees, county board of supervisors, and city councils. > And when the county boards and city councils have said they will=20 > block any zoning changes or any sale for any purpose other than an=20 > amusement park, then you can count it blocked. I work as an urban planner in California, and this is absolutely true. A lot of it depends on politics, of the very local variety. If you can get the local politicians on your side, you're pretty good to go, but if not, then very often they DO have the power to stop you. In this case it does not sound like getting rid of the amusement park would be a popular move, so there's an uphill battle there. On the other hand, I hadn't before realized that SFMM was outside of the Santa Clarita city limits, so that is one hurdle for the city before they can do much in that direction. Adam From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jul 19 01:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16169 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 05:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 05:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 05:33:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6J29nEh016461 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02dc01c6aad8$6fd49b20$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:09:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM NOTES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=4JEmivLCBqVWo9r3NqDHhIZt0NlXeQSTO2Jp2b3daEP_VQffwGQkO4iv2w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I've been thinking of ways to reduce the debt load of Six Flags, Inc., and > another idea came to mind. It's along the lines of the Franchise > Agreement > but instead of selling entire parks to investment groups, sell interest in > certain parks to help aleviate the burden..... how about selling maybe, > 25-35% > interest in the parks separately. I'm sure some investment groups would > welcome the idea of owning part of a certain park, and have an interest in > how it performs. The idea is that the "partners" would share in the > expense of running the park, while SFI retains majority control. > > Any ideas on this one as I know it may sound wierd? That idea is not as weird as you would think. Quite often in the past theme park chains have had minority partners. Blackstone is a major one to bring up here. Way back in the day... when Time Warner ran Six Flags I believe, Blackstone was a minority partner until they sold off their interest. Rank Group, who owned Hard Rock I believe, was a 50% owner of Universal Orlando. (50% ownership I believe, but not control, just influance.) Just the Orlando resort only... which is why they ended up with a Hard Rock Cafe on site from day 1, and the Hard Rock Hotel, etc... Anyway, shortly after IOA opened, Rank wanted out and they sold off their 50% to... Blackstone. So while the rest of Universal Studios has gone from ownership of Seagrams to Vivendi to GE/NBC, Blackstone has still been there as the stable silent partner. Disneyland Paris is another good one... Disney doesn't own it all. There are lots of investment groups here and a rich sheik or two who have helped keep this park afloat through their difficult times. Another one many didn't know... Anheuser-Busch was a minority owner of Port Aventura from the start and through the short ownership of Universal as well I believe. Somewhere around there Universal got out, they got out as well from what I understand. So it's not such a weird idea. The problem here is that Six Flags debt level is so high compared to profits I guess, that it may not be a very attractive venture to most companies. Though the funny thing is that while everyone keeps talking about how Six Flags is $2 billion in debt, Cedar Fair has now joined that club as well (I don't know the exact sum) after swallowing Paramount Park's for $1.2 billion on top of any debt that Cedar Fair owed before. But no one (that I've seen) is predicting that companys doom or downfall. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 09:14:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38838 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 16:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 16:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 16:07:39 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so359639ugf for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr912978ugj; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:07:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02dc01c6aad8$6fd49b20$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005901c6aabf$fa022d80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> <02dc01c6aad8$6fd49b20$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM NOTES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=bGmvlFdMtQpb0ciq6laY0kbeGiPeHCnz-YfKg_DIDv_aUp_7P2coNoU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Though the funny thing is that while everyone keeps talking about how Six > Flags is $2 billion in debt, > Cedar Fair has now joined that club as well (I don't know the exact sum) > after swallowing Paramount Park's for $1.2 billion on top of any debt that > Cedar Fair owed before. But no one (that I've seen) is predicting that > companys doom or downfall. There are major differences in the ways finances have been handled between these two chains. Cedar Fair is healthily in debt and on their way out with parks that are turning good profits. Six Flags is in trouble because they're going further and further into debt. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 09:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20831 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 16:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 16:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 16:04:43 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so386667uge for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr890355ugm; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:04:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44BD8850.5030106@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fWu3Psibei8fkT9gaLTrEr2AQJW2bg492JUewaBDWYnUKWLSixYgj3o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When your profits are part of what get taxed, then you have to provide > those numbers to the government entities that tax you. Revenues get taxed. Profits do not. There's a very large difference there. > You're right, I do know who your numbers come from. And I'm sorry but > while I'm sure he gets some glimpses into how other parks are doing, I > doubt that he's got as in depth knowledge as you're playing he does. I > might be wrong on that, but I'd gladly take my friends words, based on > their positions in the company, over yours anyday. More years, more > seniority. He has access to budget statements from every other Six Flags park. He has access to *hourly* attendance updates at SFMM. He has access to everything from survey results to which rides are operating at what capacity and during what hours of the day. He attends *weekly* conference calls with Shapiro, general managers, and directors from every other Six Flags park. He has access to downtime reports, admission statistics, and (yes) revenues and operating expenses. Unless you're talking to a director at SFMM (ie someone one step lower than Del Holland), you're not talking to anyone higher than my source. > Only if you're looking at a short term killing, which is the wrong way > to look at an amusement park. They're not short term deals. And > when you start adding up a minimum of $5 million a year, and very likely > more, over the course of a few years that starts to add up quickly. And that's > with doing nothing. The problem is that Six Flags doesn't have *time* for long-term earnings right now. They're $2 billion in debt, and unless they start making a dent in that immediately, they're not going to last. It would take 40,000 years for those tax incentives to benefit Six Flags more than selling the park right now. FORTY THOUSAND YEARS! And you're telling me Six Flags would rather take the $5 million now? > Whereas if they sell the park, sure they might be able to reduce a chunk > of the debt, but they would also put a major financial hit on the > company in ongoing profit, marketability, reputation, market reach, and > many other areas. That's the thing - they absolutely *need* to reduce a chunk of the debt, and they need to do it quick. That's exactly what they've been saying in the conference calls. The interest on their debt is killing them, and unless they reduce it soon, the chain is *never* going to turn a profit. So the answer is to sell parks that can be sold for big bucks, are sitting on valuable land, or both. Selling SFMM isn't going to hurt the chain's reputation. The only thing it's going to is eliminate a possible foothold in a market they're losing in anyway. If the park was turning an amazing profit, they wouldn't be selling it. But something is tellling them it's going to take a very long time to make anything close to $200,000 by operating the park. The fact that $200,000 million is so appealing should tell you something about that park's profitability. > But that's just it- they're not going to be able to sell it for huge > bucks. Then they won't sell it! That's what they've said all along. You just claim they'd be idiotic to sell it no matter what. Whether or not they CAN sell it is irrelevant to this discussion. My argument is that it WOULD be beneficial if they could get $200,000 for it. > SFAW where they sold it for less > than half of what they claimed they would get, and didn't even get to > sell the rides for close to what they claimed they would get. To be fair, that was Burke's blunder. > And that alone shows me that you have no concept or clue about the > locals. Heck, even my father-in-law, who lives in the areas could care > less about amusement parks, said that he was noticing how much the > people were already lining up to fight it being changed to anything but > a park. One has to wonder why those people aren't even bothering attending the park if it means so much to them. > They said the same thing about SFAW, which was swamped to the point that > they reached capacity several times it's last month. Sure. News of the park's closure drove people out in record numbers. That proves nothing except that it took actually closing the park to get people to attend. I'm not sure I'd want to use that argument to prove the park is doing well. :) > Over Knott's? Absolutely! While I like Knott's, my last couple of > visits there were not what they had been in the past, and SFMM had > surpassed it. Well, apparently at least two million people in southern California feel otherwise. > And why would you choose a park > that is charging more for admission and parking than Disney. OH, but > wait, that was a Shapiro move- one of his "improvements." My mistake. Agreed. I think that's the one major mistake that Redzone has made, and I've said that all along. > Nate, when is the last time that you took a government refresher course? > You bet the locals have a say- in the form of planning and advisory > committees, county board of supervisors, and city councils. Locals have a say over what happens to the land if/after Six Flags sells it. They have no say regarding WHETHER or not Six Flags decides to sell it. > They're not staying away because of the violence. Maybe people in > Wiscosin are, because that's all they are hearing from the company's > CEO, but the locals know better. I don't think I or Shapiro have said people are staying away because of violence. Like I said, that'd be a dumb thing to say when he's in charge of the park. They're staying away because Six Flags (under its old management) continued to target the teenage crowd while ignoring the families. Those teenagers buy season passes, don't spend money in the park, line jump, use profanity, and disobey the smoking ban. > Snyder and Shapiro however don't have the patience to do it right. They > want a quick turnaround, or they want out. And quick turn-arounds like > that are the rare exceptions in amusement parks. It's not about patience, it's about necessity. Redzone simply cannot wait to start paying off the debt or the whole chain is going to crash and burn. Right now it's about making the best decisions that will begin paying off that debt immediately for the benefit of ALL of the parks. -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 11:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7465 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 18:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 18:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 18:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 18:04:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 18:04:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:04:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=QIbAYOVaoiwN4eUO5Mc1OIgzDhyMoBEcnXn0dLfVYyjTlCoXoPXi X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Locals have a say over what happens to the land if/after Six Flags=20 > sells it. They have no say regarding WHETHER or not Six Flags=20 > decides to sell it. That can have a big impact on whether or not they have a buyer,=20 though, or if they do sell it, whether or not it gets sold to someone=20 who wants to keep it operating as an amusement park, which is really=20 what this discussion is about. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jul 19 11:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33526 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 18:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 18:54:44 -0000 Received: from webmail22.lax.untd.com (webmail22.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.162]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCM698XA52SN7J for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAPGaffFq2Hsjyp8h2IZ2xwJIu2Bhe2RdTQ== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail22.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LVNQ9BX4; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:53:49 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail22.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:52:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:52:55 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060719.115349.15905.466798@webmail22.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 20:10:3304779918 X-MAIL-INFO:121499f9a5d134a5d584d1943494213d79b544b409c1e17dedb579fda48d70a5e1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.162|webmail22.lax.untd.com|webmail22.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SF FT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=IwOFIUzjAdSsII-T9j97tlxceUjJCjb0ZywGaw0vEqjCBbU_Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >> Locals have a say over what happens to the land if/after Six Flags=20 >> sells it. They have no say regarding WHETHER or not Six Flags=20 >> decides to sell it. > >That can have a big impact on whether or not they have a buyer,=20 >though, or if they do sell it, whether or not it gets sold to=20 >someone=20 >who wants to keep it operating as an amusement park, which is really=20 >what this discussion is about. Well, thinking about it in that regard let's explore the=20 possibilities. SFMM, the land and all of its rides, are put up for=20 sale because it's a money pit. It's got some $500 mil worth of=20 assets available if liquidated properly. However, the county is=20 hungry for the tax revenue generated off of gate admissions and gets=20 an injunction that, for the benefit of the community, the land is not=20 allowed to be turned into residential housing leaving the only option=20 to sell the park off to another investment operator who believes they=20 can turn the park around into a profitable operation. If the park is=20 in as abysmal shape as you guys are making it out to be, which I can=20 believe based on some of my other Six Flags experiences, I couldn't=20 imagine that there is anyone out there willing to take the risk of=20 buying the property and having to sink the capital into the park that=20 would be required to turn it around. The best option that I can imagine for the chain at this point would=20 be to shut down a few of the high dollar, high maintainence=20 attractions that don't have very high ridership (for whatever reason)=20 and attempt to sell off those rides. Take them off the park map,=20 pretend like they aren't even there anymore, and try to sell them off=20 but don't obsess over them. Focus the attention and assets available=20 on making the rest of the park as good as it can be, and once gate=20 attendance starts to pick up again, if any of those rides are still=20 there and in operable condition, maybe then you'll be able to refurb=20 them and do it right, or scrap them and do something completely new.=20=20 Look at BGW and Drachen Fire, they saw that, compared to the other=20 rides in the park, that one was a bust as far as overall ridership vs=20 upkeep, so rather than squandering money to try to force or trick=20 people into riding something that not everyone was going to enjoy,=20 they focused their money and attention on the next thing. There's absolutely no way that they are going to be able to get all=20 of the parks up to Disney snuff, but if they scale down operations at=20 the parks that are money pits and focus on making them self=20 sufficient rather than trying to siphon money from the more=20 profitable parks to make the unprofitable parks bigger and more=20 unprofitable, maybe they'll stand a chance of eventually getting all=20 of their parks up to respectable local park standards anyway. The biggest trouble in doing something like that is forcing a culture=20 change in the local management of the parks, something just as=20 difficult as getting people to come through the gate. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 12:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40632 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 19:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 19:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 19:46:12 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so498945uge for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr1103960ugh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:46:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=QrZ7o0kk0FDjzzkleOXcKEl0LVk0d7ZArFj-I0IaE2MSaQ-GbyKwYx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Locals have a say over what happens to the land if/after Six Flags > > sells it. They have no say regarding WHETHER or not Six Flags > > decides to sell it. > That can have a big impact on whether or not they have a buyer, > though, or if they do sell it, whether or not it gets sold to someone > who wants to keep it operating as an amusement park, which is really > what this discussion is about. Not really. The discussion is about whether or not it would be a good decision for Six Flags to put SFMM up for sale. What actually happens to the park after Six Flags sells (or puts the park up for sale) is actually quite irrelevant to the discussion. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:59:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93691 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 19:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 19:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 19:52:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 19:52:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 19:52:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 19:52:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:52:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.247.162 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: New Yorker cover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PsY5ibWMZruDWMhgTKKMEtckNU_iHkELfmzHWhJnRTb2n75noan1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The current issue of New Yorker magazine has an amusing cover. I've posted it here: > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/view/3f12?b=3D1&o= =3D2 < Jay From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 13:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10547 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 20:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 20:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 20:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 20:09:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 20:09:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:09:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44BC4835.7090304@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=IZ4OsCq36YRVBS98xW85tRpEyIcSTukF4gG2zskoNCbwvetjVyfK28yEjA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Doug Nelson wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > > (gotta say I didn't like python though).. > >=20 > > who does?!? >=20 > Umm, me? It's obviously not a fantastic coaster compared to what=20 else=20 > it out there now, but for what it is, and what it was at the time,=20 I=20 > still think it's a great little coaster and will miss it. >=20 > It's actually fairly easy to get a decent, non-painful ride on=20 it. Just=20 > put your head back against the headrest, then lean it a bit to the=20 left=20 > so that it's resting on the OTSR. A bit of bumping, but not=20 painful,=20 > and pretty decent for a coaster that's almost 30 years old and=20 made with=20 > none of the computers or most of the engineering and physics=20 knowledge=20 > that is used today in building a coaster. you sure you arent thinking of scorpion instead? you really like an=20 old arrow corkscrew?!?! From serpmage@juno.com Wed Jul 19 14:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14679 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 21:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 21:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 21:12:06 -0000 Received: from webmail52.lax.untd.com (webmail52.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.192]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCM7HTKAD2MAPS for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAPbSyWWilD7zGY1ACYTfm+1Vh6EKHuyh0Q== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail52.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LVNYL6PW; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:02:36 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail52.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:01:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:01:58 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060719.140236.28262.465111@webmail52.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2086610082 X-MAIL-INFO:25f36ab7934f17938b8b4fc717c79bdbde3a0bf79a1ada0f2a3adecec35efa93da X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.192|webmail52.lax.untd.com|webmail52.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=L1fcemR9HP8MnMHHTRapUb-3LPx8THMSX2KjqplsN3LqBUdWVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >you sure you arent thinking of scorpion instead? you really like an=20 >old arrow corkscrew?!?! Don't mind George, between riding the back of Gwazi and getting his=20 head beaten on Python for all the years he was in Tampa, he's got so=20 much brain damage he was willing to take a job taking pictures at=20 Disney. There's obviously something not quite right with him. :D Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:10:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36355 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 23:02:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 23:02:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:02:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=CbqMQRDIhWb5NOKHlcbI9_biroY6ySUfytx-hvgMXrGdqenozlqR X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Not really. The discussion is about whether or not it would be a=20 > good decision for Six Flags to put SFMM up for sale. What=20 actually > happens to the park after Six Flags sells (or puts the=20 park up for=20 > sale) is actually quite irrelevant to the discussion. The potential sale of the park is what's being discussed directly,=20 but the reason any of us care about that (unless we're SF=20 shareholders or something) is because we're concerned about the=20 future of the park. If it were just a matter of SF selling the park=20 to another park operator, there'd probably be some discussion (c.f.=20 the Cedar Fair/Paramount deal) but nowhere near the level we've seen=20 for this. Everybody acknowledges that SFMM has its problems, but=20 none of us want to see 17 coasters, roughly half of them world-class=20 rides, sent to the scrap heap. From Six Flags' point of view that=20 may be irrelevant to the discussion, but that is precisely the=20 underlying reason why this group of coaster enthusiasts is=20 discussing profits, real estate prices, annexations, etc. This isn't=20 a Six Flags shareholders' discussion group. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 16:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34082 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 23:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 23:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 23:39:43 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so559896ugf for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr1258680ugh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:18:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC NEWS: CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT ABOUT SFFT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dB82lELS64t3U0bpgQ2ZFMTqGYVPPaBIXMQmbvIoRogLBGjGa54Qaj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The potential sale of the park is what's being discussed directly, > but the reason any of us care about that (unless we're SF > shareholders or something) is because we're concerned about the > future of the park From Six Flags' point of view that > may be irrelevant to the discussion, but that is precisely the > underlying reason why this group of coaster enthusiasts is > discussing profits, real estate prices, annexations, etc. This isn't > a Six Flags shareholders' discussion group. That's not why I'm discussing it, and I don't really think it's cool to tell me what I should be discussing and why. I enjoy talking about this because I enjoy the business behind the amusement industry. To be honest, I really don't care much about what happens to SFMM. I don't *want* it to close, but it wouldn't affect me much if it did. I'm pretty indifferent. So no, it doesn't matter to me (or to the discussion I'm having) whether or not the park can or will be sold. It only matters to me whether or not it's a good move (on Six Flags' part) to put it up for sale. -Nate From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 19 16:43:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92567 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 23:39:59 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6JMoJfl010886 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6ab85$b9e1a250$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:50:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: CEDAR FAIR NEEDS TO DECIDE ON A HEADQUARTERS SITE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=NW1zzOrsQq-yI-abSxZ48stlgguukhtq71y5vtmrsX0OdnXxb90A X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/BUSINESS06/606130323 There's the link to this story. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 19 16:46:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12752 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 23:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 23:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6JMuMIR015061 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c6ab86$91fc5b80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: HERE'S AN EYE-OPENER ON THE CEDAR FAIR ACQUISITION OF PARAMOUNT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=xwr25kND79Vh1nSxVGJ5bYPYXb8FZRErKxQ_0T-xefgLt-PEwbSt X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/BUSINESS06/60627001 Cedar Fair, LP has as much debt load as Six Flags, Inc. This was something brought up in a post about the debt load of the #2 and #3 park operating companies. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 19 20:49:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8812 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 03:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 03:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 03:46:55 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6K0EpUe009876 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c6ab91$895fc380$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:14:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: A BOYHOOD DREAM COME TRUE - SFMM, SFOG, & SFGRADV RELATED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=1mjVXFWX7e8qhMyAiDZPhK3ckCtGwolm2Ux3zjjvQrVkVGGR41UT X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I decided to take the dicussion about SFMM a different route. I've had enough of the discussion about profit, etc.... I'm in a reminicing mood right now. Of course, I'm born and raised Long Island, NY, so my true home park (major park that is) is SF Great Adventure. I remember the first time going with my parents, and being a pre-teen at the time, I found the rides and coasters to be fun. There was one coaster that scared me to death, and vowed never to ride one again. To this day, I've blocked out the coasters name that did this. Fast forward to 1986, a senior in high school, I went on a trip to Atlanta. I will never, ever forget this trip as I got re-introduced to coasters by a group of friends that dragged me on a certain coaster at SFOG called MindBender! We got the front seat, and I fell in love with theme parks, and coasters again. I remember being told by some people I met that work for the theme park operator about SFMM. I called every year, multiple times, long distance, and spoke to people about the rides at SFMM. I was very envious and made another vow to get to SFMM one day due to the coaster arsenal they had, and still have. Forward to 1989-1999, where I spent this time in Los Angeles/Orange County, CA. I went to SFMM for the first time shortly after I moved there, and was very impressed, and continued to be as I was there during the major coaster period where one was built almost every year. I remember being upset in 1995 when they announced Hurricane Harbor as I wanted another coaster. I remember calling every month when Superman: TE was continuously delayed in 1996. SFMM is a park I will never, ever forget either as my first trip there, and subsequent trips were nothing short of amazing. I will be making my return visit to the park within a year or two. I'm sure all of us can relate to this, and the memories we have of certain parks. I welcome hearing other stories. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Jul 19 23:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38074 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 06:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 06:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-68.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 06:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24649 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2006 06:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 06:27:27 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-142-201.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.142.201] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G3S0M-00028M-Od for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:27:27 -0600 In-Reply-To: <000f01c6ab91$895fc380$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> References: <000f01c6ab91$895fc380$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FB74259-4396-4D1E-AE71-FCC9B141DFBA@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:30:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.142.201 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A BOYHOOD DREAM COME TRUE - SFMM, SFOG, & SFGRADV RELATED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=1xKajRnTxGWZ3l7ecKCHrgLZE70TsRAq34bSqAEfNB_jC10prVZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > SFMM is a park I will never, ever forget either as my first trip > there, and subsequent trips were nothing short of > amazing. I will be making my return visit to the park within a > year or two. > > I'm sure all of us can relate to this, and the memories we have of > certain parks. I welcome hearing other stories. If Hershey is the park that got me started and Disneyland is the park that set my standards, then SFMM is the park that got me hooked on coasters. I used to live down near Irvine in CA between 1994-1996 (a.k.a. 3rd-5th grade), and I used to go to Knott's once or twice a year, Disneyland all the time because I had season passes, and SFMM about once a year. On a side note, I think every time I went was the day before New Year's Eve. Anyways, I always really liked the park back then. Between when I first went there and when I moved away, they built the Mooseburger lodge (I think, either that or we didn't realize it the first time) and B:TR. After me and my dad got off Batman the first time, basically both of our reactions was Holy... crap. It was a really great ride, especially at night with the mist in the trenches. I think those were some of the best rides I've ever gotten, on any coaster. There was also other cool stuff, like in the theater by Colossus I always remember there being good shows. And you also had all the televisions in line showing looney tunes or other things to keep me entertained. Just the park in general had a really nice atmosphere, even things like the cool looking coaster above the front parking gate. But for some reason, Viper was the stereotypical monster that I was scared to death to ride. I had no problem with the other rides, but I wouldn't go on Viper. So right before we moved away from CA in 1996, we went to SFMM one last time, and right before we were about to leave, my dad wanted to go on Viper. He tried to convince me to go on with him, but I said no... giving the excuse that I was really full from the Mooseburger lodge. Anyways, he went on it while I waited, and after he got off he said, "c'mon, you have to go on this, it's awesome". I agreed, and after a couple tense moments waiting on line, got on it. I was probably crapping my pants going up the lift hill, but once the ride started, I loved it... it was sort of one of those overcoming your fears moments that you see on TV. I don't know if I'd call it life changing, but at the time it was pretty close. But that visit was probably the best one I've had there. Since then, its gone steadily downhill. Like you, I was ridiculously psyched about STE. I had seen concept drawings of it before it was even built, and I read everything about it. I even wanted to go to Australia just to ride the one at Dreamworld. I went out to visit my friends in 1997 (or so), and we made the trip up to SFMM to get on the thing. We got there and into the park... and it's closed. I knew it had issues, but I had thought they had gotten most of the bugs out. I was so pissed off... I probably ruined the entire morning for everyone else with me because of how pissed off I was. I remember waiting on line for Psyclone going, 'this is the worst thing ever, I want to get a lawyer and sue SFMM for false advertising for saying they're putting in a new coaster'. So for all the people who have heard me bitching about how crappy Intamin is, if you had to trace my hatred of the company back to a singular point in time, it'd probably be that morning. I didn't even get to see the thing run. Even though I live in NJ now, since I moved from CA, I've been to SFMM in the summers of 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2002. And it's gone steadily downhill each visit. The thing I remember most from when I went there in 1999 was walking into someone holding a cigarette and getting a burn on the back of my hand, which was really annoying for the rest of the day. In 2002, I just remember the queue for Goliath being a mess, with people cutting lines everywhere and all these other people being asses. Mooseburger lodge sucked, too. Maybe it was just a coincidence that everything was bad that day, but I'm not so sure. And all the rides they used to have that I liked... like the sky tower and the sky ride... have either been removed or aren't operating (even though the sky tower was removed while I still lived out there). I don't think the monorail is in operation, and in 2002 park has just seemed overly crowded, and not with nice people either... it was overcrowded with complete idiots. Even the small things, like the queue for Ninja... it just seemed old and in need of a repainting or something to make it nicer. Or not having mist in the B:TR pits, or Colossus just sucking. Some of it might be because I was 11 years old when I moved from CA, so I might've been easier to please. But I'm pretty sure the park was genuinely better back then, and it sounds like Shapiro agrees with me. It wouldn't be great if SFMM was demolished, but I don't think I'd care too much either... almost everything I liked about CA when I lived there isn't there anymore. Development absolutely exploded in the town I lived (Rancho Santa Margarita) to the point where there isn't any empty space large enough to hold the annual rodeo they used to have. What were once fields of openness and nothing are now covered in boring houses that all look the same. There's traffic on all the roads, even at 2 in the morning. They replaced the nice park at my elementary school with fenced-in baseball fields, which they probably had to do because they replaced all the baseball and soccer fields that were located in another part of the town with an industrial complex. Ironically, they're replacing MCAS El Toro with a park, though you can't really blame the area for the air station shutting down. It just sucks because now there won't be any air shows, which always were awesome... probably the only time I was more terrified than going up the Viper lift hill for the first time was when the SR-71 was doing a nighttime aerobatics display... its engines are just unbelievably loud, the only thing you could see were the flames shooting out out the back of it, and it was flying above us, diving down, and pulling out at the last minute... it was absolutely awesome. But anyways, thats my story about SFMM. Mike From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jul 20 09:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54241 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 16:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 16:38:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:38:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c6ab91$895fc380$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: MISC: A BOYHOOD DREAM COME TRUE - SFMM, SFOG, & SFGRADV RELATED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=bkZZ5CsK-7xlUDDsml9JtzmozQXO0dwZ1jdmZq1HwBXMem5AJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg Maybe it's just the fact that my first visit to this beloved park (SFMM) wa= sn't until 2003 I=20 believe. But hearing so much about how great this park was from everyone online and = looking at=20 their coasters on RCDB ... I was expecting it to be awesome. Especially whe= n everyone=20 always compared the park to Cedar Point on other coaster sites (coasterforu= m?), so I was=20 expecting Top of the Line operations,rides,atmosphere... you name it. Well that happened to be the biggest let down of my life. From what I remember from my first trip, none of the flat rides were in ope= ration , all main=20 coasters were running one train w/ the exception of Goliath. Riddlers had a= little over an=20 hour wait. Batman had a full queue (and since I've ridden all but SFNO's Ba= tmans, I decided=20 not to ride it). S:TE was running one side. Speakingn of S:TE , I also was excited about this ride, I mean who can't ge= t pumped up=20 about a ride you've seen 30 times on TV while watching Paul Rueben's ManBoo= bs defy the=20 laws of gravity as they float above his bloated over privledged turkeyleg s= tuffed face. This=20 ride was the BIGGEST COASTER LET DOWN. I felt robbed (not alveyed) of the e= xcitement=20 this thing once promised. The car barely made it half way up the tower. The= previous days=20 ride on Xcellerator had already gotten me used to a great launch coaster, s= o S:TE didn't=20 even feel like much. It felt like you were being PUSHED up the hill, and th= en whomever was=20 pushing it got tired and gave up halfway. Really a lame experience, and sin= ce only 1 side=20 was running, I didn't have to wait in line again to be a credit whore. Back to their other coasters , Goliath was decent (but latter that month I = rode Titan and=20 enjoyed it a lot better). Viper was decent, finally got to ride the coaster they made Balki (aka Bron= son Pinchot) ride=20 in True Romance. But I had already ridden it's clones in NJ and Ga. X was another coaster I was hyped for, but after a great inside seat ride a= nd 2 outside seat=20 rides, I wasn't too sure I wanted to take the chance of waiting in that 2 h= our line, just to=20 get the shaft and take an outside seat ride. Ninja wasn't all that bad, but not all that great either , Deja Vu was down= during all 3 visits=20 to the park that I've made. But seeing as how I've ridden it's clones at Ga= & Chicago , I=20 wasn't TOO disapointed. Their wooden coasters are all horrible and not worth waiting for, but we al= ready know=20 that. Very disapointed that Collussus wasn't one coaster near a lake,and Su= zanne Somers=20 wasn't anywhere near to get a ride with. Although I did see a nerdy kid sne= eze into his=20 popcorn bucket! Overall the experience was a huge let down. All areas of the park were dirt= y, run down and=20 boring. No flat rides or mild rides , just COASTERS COASTERS COASTERS! Not = a good first=20 impression, and the last two visits were worse. On my last visit, I purchased a season pass cause I knew I was going to SFG= Adv in the fall,=20 and only got to ride the mine train!?!? There was a 1.5-2 hour wait for EVE= RYTHING that=20 was open, which was about 12 coasters and maybe 1 water ride. This park jus= t blows all=20 together. Maybe I should've visited it back in it's prime, which was aparan= tly anytime=20 before 2003 when I visited. But as for gaining love for Six Flags, the other two parks mentioned in the= subject line ,=20 SFoG and SFGrAdv ... I love those parks and would go there if I could anyda= y of any=20 regional park (PKI,SFKK,GL,....) just my thoughts jeRemy D From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:17:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61135 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 20:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 20:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 20:15:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 20:14:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 20:14:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:14:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060718231246.48519.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4vu61rECvjJGLaTguBHtDgE6mNAVmAk5ijOkMv8a5DeBTMU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > SNIP <>=20 > It seems to me that *many* locals will often diss their home park,=20 probably because they've grown accustomed to it -- and most likely=20 because they're not park enthusiasts. For many of them, it's probably=20 simply a place to hang out in the summer. But for enthusiasts=20 (especially those who haven't been there) it's one of the wonders of=20 the coaster world. >=20 > Jay I know I've come to loath Castles & Coasters. But then again, their=20 main coaster is crap. -Alan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Thu Jul 20 13:23:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85167 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 20:20:37 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.318.6e58ee7 (43930) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <318.6e58ee7.31f13f92@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:20:34 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5027 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=9x0vVfvjl2L8NhDTfqjmE_Cgnrdwui2b8kDYbQCwRYyxhaxx8ub1 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People here never talk crap about Coney Island but other parks yes! -Dainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24442 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <318.6e58ee7.31f13f92@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pv-pY97ao1LavL3T7zdmgTJ9W2erq7s1kJew9rcf6jLnnsw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 And for good reason - Cyclone is insane! (I need to go lay-down now) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@... wrote: > > People here never talk crap about Coney Island but other parks yes! >=20=20 > -Dainan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 14:48:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76305 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 21:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 21:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 21:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 21:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2006 21:38:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:38:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c6ab91$895fc380$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: A BOYHOOD DREAM COME TRUE - SFMM, SFOG, & SFGRADV RELATED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=I4jbAK5L2tFPzLENTPWQ4RwTZ4NrxqLAcEg14dfFciCg1bU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Interesting, that this is a kind of a "How I got started in roller=20 coasters" topic, but with a Magic Mountain intersection. And yes, I=20 have my own! I really don't remember doing any coasters as a kid, save the portable=20 coasters at the Arizona State Fair and Legend City. My family did=20 Disneyland in 1969, but they only had 1 coaster at that time=20 (Matterhorn). So, my coaster exposure was rather limited until I got=20 into High School. Again, there where a couple of Disney trips, but I really didn't get a=20 taste of a "real" amusement park until my Senior Year: Disneyland &=20 (you guessed it) Magic Mountain. That was 1982. It was a very different=20 park back then. The Revolution was the big thing. After many more Disney trips, I finally stepped into the world of=20 Coasting big time by making a trip to Michigan, and making a trip to=20 Cedar Point =96 1995. -Alan From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 17:03:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39325 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 00:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 00:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 00:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 43845 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 00:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060721000328.43843.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.253.213] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:03:28 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:03:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Park haters (was CHECK THIS OUT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=wQzPh016q5TCuQe13FpqVOFHKv-aCq-sqrcyJqSWQoF5NKme0d43 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Any idea why people were so thrilled to see Whalom go? I can see indifference, but I can't see why anyone (other than the developer and those really wanting to purchase a condo) would be overjoyed to see it destroyed. < The comment I heard the most was, "That place was a dump!" Some people fel= t it lowered their property value. I was quite surprised, though, at how m= any people actually *wanted* condos to be built there. I'm wondering how many of them, if you mentioned "amusement park," had visi= ons of Six Flags in their heads. I don't mean the Six Flags we love to bas= h, but the idea of a huge park with state-of-the-art rides. Maybe the char= m of Whalom was completely lost on them. Plus, often people who live in th= e same community as a park don't appreciate it as much as outsiders. It's = just a local business and they take it for granted. I said to Allyson Bowen that in several years, people in that community wil= l bemoan the loss of the "good ol' days" and wax nostalgic over Whalom Park= . But of course by then it will be too late. I'm glad most of the rides (= including Mountain Park's old Satellite Jets) were saved. I'm not sure whe= re it went, and I also don't know the fate of their terrific Tumble Bug. B= ut at least the park lives on in pieces elsewhere. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Thu Jul 20 19:30:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99937 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6L0Pxwo015993 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:26:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: CONTINUING THE REMINICING TONE - IF YOU HAD WINGS, WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=xyJm2cn1FD4vW0HsYxkDqPZXhFazUKrP9alosvnC52mG1_eENBuS X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Had_Wings This is an interesting article I found while searching defunct airlines of the U.S. It's the story of If You Had Wings.... a ride that was operated at WDW's Magic Kingdom while I was a child. It's corporate sponsor was.... Eastern Air Lines. Anyone remember this ride??? Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 20 19:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6031 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 02:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 02:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 02:50:09 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so194555ugc for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr92819huf; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607201950v5634ebaeib4bd7e1350ef081c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:50:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CONTINUING THE REMINICING TONE - IF YOU HAD WINGS, WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=zltzW6CDkgnf3XwL0pwdg-rfHXwtW5noEHlnH8mm3QKh16Q X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "This is an interesting article I found while searching defunct airlines of the U.S. It's the story of If You Had Wings.... a ride that was operated at WDW's Magic Kingdom while I was a child. It's corporate sponsor was.... Eastern Air Lines. Anyone remember this ride???" No, however I do enjoy the Simpsons where they go to Epcot and ride an attraction sponsored by Eastern that demonstrates the airline's world domination hopes while it whips people to the "soothing sounds of the Turtles". Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Jul 20 20:07:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28968 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 03:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 03:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 03:05:54 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s17so1004776wxc for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.12.6 with SMTP id 6mr196724wxl; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.16.7 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:05:51 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: CONTINUING THE REMINICING TONE - IF YOU HAD WINGS, WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=3SiexaLszE0Oigpi7wdD4NSbcjrh-jrfRtwoTba42Vff1fjYjh1xvPo X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >On 7/20/06, THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Had_Wings > > >This is an interesting article I found while searching defunct airlines > of the U.S. It's the > >story of If You Had Wings.... a ride that was operated at WDW's Magic > Kingdom while > >I was a child. It's corporate sponsor was.... Eastern Air Lines. > > >Anyone remember this ride??? > > >Joe > >Tampa, FL > Yeah. I went there when I was fairly young, probably 5 or 6, so I most likely experienced the Delta Dreamflight version. I very clearly remember the scene where it seems like you enter a jet engine. I thought that effect was so amazing at the time. The only other things I remember from that trip was their version of the People Mover, Magic Journeys, seeing the unusual (to a California native) submarines, the indoor Jungle Cruise scene, and being disappointed at the lack of a Star Tours ride in Tomorrowland. I also included this ride in my fantasy DisneyAir theme park, for obvious reasons. Here's another article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Dreamflight -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Jul 21 04:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33862 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 11:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 11:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 11:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 11:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 11:49:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:49:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c6ab86$91fc5b80$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: Re: NEWS: HERE'S AN EYE-OPENER ON THE CEDAR FAIR ACQUISITION OF PARAMOUNT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=1-tXvbDW9OnnSQfN_pNgH_vtiEUGgdZSQaoj-b45VxN2spAYUzY X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > Cedar Fair, LP has as much debt load as Six Flags, Inc. This was=20 something brought up in a post about the debt load of the > #2 and #3 park operating companies. However, I am not sure that this debt will be an issue as important for=20 Cedar Fair as it is for Six Flags. I think that the parks of Paramount=20 and Cedar Fair chains are financially in a better shape than Six Flags'=20 parks. Fred From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 09:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38235 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 16:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2006 16:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 16:09:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 16:07:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2006 16:07:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:07:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c6ac5c$423c13c0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: CONTINUING THE REMINICING TONE - IF YOU HAD WINGS, WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R4aR6ReIKWdVEZtXtSqnwumqBz5w9UMyP8OERtO9tH3S71U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Had_Wings > This is an interesting article I found while searching defunct=20 airlines of the U.S. It's the story of If You Had Wings.... a ride=20 that was operated at WDW's Magic Kingdom while I was a child. It's=20 corporate sponsor was.... Eastern Air Lines. >=20 > Anyone remember this ride??? > Joe I don't remember the ride (but then I wasn't there until I was an=20 adult). However, there are several several other links related to it. Someone is putting together a 3D simulation: http://dizneyworld.net/iyhw.html It's also listed in Widen Your World: http://home.cfl.rr.com/omniluxe/wyw.htm And on Extinct Attractions: http://www.extinct-attractions-club.com/New_TLAND14.HTML -Alan From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Jul 22 16:44:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43903 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 23:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2006 23:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 23:44:25 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc64.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.64]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6MNiNNg011216 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6ade8$c2f853b0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:44:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags, Inc. to Report Second Quarter 2006 Results on August 2, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=kqIlbSINL-XfKzayuEa103riiZxoEZ4Hzau7El74HlGrYLik2AeF X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/prn/200607211040PR_NEWS_USPR_____NYF052.htm Just a date to remember.... it'll be interesting what SFI reports. Never, Ever, Lose the Thrill of Coasting! Joe, Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 22:05:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8173 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 05:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 05:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 05:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:05:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:05:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:05:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c6ade8$c2f853b0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags, Inc. to Report Second Quarter 2006 Results on August 2, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=vBJMBMGZ_3hvFZqEKp5NxrSUyvzPFXwTQ-TX1j33UeuTbpyYEg X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg Shoot me if I ever put this in my iCal as a date to remember! haha interesting enough , numbers never lie... or do they?? --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" = wrote: > > http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/prn/ 200607211040PR_NEWS_USPR_____NYF052.htm >=20 > Just a date to remember.... it'll be interesting what SFI reports. >=20 > Never, Ever, Lose the Thrill of Coasting! > Joe, Tampa, FL >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 22:24:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35008 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 05:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 05:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 05:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:24:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:24:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.117.122.131 From: "Andrew" Subject: A production X at last X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=lnw2aV7rgqr1jlrkYcJ5HnA1JST2El56KemWFgqnv-mrJLIdVmE X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Eejanaika runs! It opened at Fuji-Q on Tue July 19, 2006 and it is Operating. Some new pictures showing the trains and station at rcdb.com and videos - two commercial spots and the POV at www.eejanaika.jp (mostly in Japanese). The layout is slightly different than X, but the POV qualifies for properly terrifying. The 360 rollback is on the way down out of the first inside raven curve, and it is a bit different coming out of luge turn. The final station arrival is similar to X. Eejanaika is a bit higher than X, about 255 feet high if I recall without looking. Mmm, hmm. I could use a business trip to Japan. Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 22:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52811 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 05:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 05:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 05:29:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:29:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2006 05:29:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:29:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.117.122.131 From: "Andrew" Subject: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=vQW6i8RJk4KI0npY4VoEcpocIhx4Yd0YNL-C8lYhxNukq7i2JMg X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister I've now got myself to NE New Jersey on work: Newark area. I can think of four parks within reasonable driving distance: SF Great Adventure, SF New England, Dorney Park, and Hershey Park. What have I missed? BTW, is Hershey Park in with any others? Do they take Cedar Point passes or anything like that? Dorney Park is in Cedar Fair, right? Are they taking 2006 Paramount passes yet? Thanks, Andrew From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:20:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64202 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 21:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42208.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 21:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5129 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2006 21:20:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060723212007.5127.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:20:07 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c6ade8$c2f853b0$402c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags, Inc. to Report Second Quarter 2006 Results on August 2, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=rJFjRLzMz166M97bw_SEVHicJG14UihidLD8PhNQniWb76G6 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/prn/200607211040PR_NEWS_USPR_____NYF052.htm > > Just a date to remember.... it'll be interesting > what SFI reports. Now, I've been a self proclaimed SFBrat for all my time on this list, but let's be for real, do we *really* need to wait to hear the numbers? I, with absolutely *no* inside sources, can tell you right now the major highlights: 1) Estimated earnings/targets will not be reached. 2) Attendance is down - due to rainy weather 3) Per Cap spending is up - due to price hikes 4) Guest complaints down / Guest satisfaction up 5) Family foucus working but will take time "long tough slog", "working hard", "patience" blah, blah, blah. 6) Cap ex for 2007 not yet finalized. Anything else would be shocking! =] lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jul 23 17:30:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69338 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2006 00:29:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:29:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: really quick TR:BGT(yes, again!) 7/23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Nup8QS5i5DRqtpofbR2ZJ4vAvy9qaUg-m8GvaLj92CP2IRyiBuLPVwEw2g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 got there around 9AM, was actually nice and cool thanks to a morning=20 rain. not too crowded as we headed to Montu. no wait for all but the=20 front and back. even at this early hour it was flying. used the child=20 swap program(thanks, george!) for the wife to ride. headed over to=20 Morocco so that she could take our son on the carousel so that i could=20 ride Scorpion, something i havent ridden in a while. i keep forgetting=20 how forceful it is for such a small footprint. then the wife wanted to=20 ride the Mouse, but just as she was about to ride the sky opened up=20 and everything was shut down. so we wondered around after the rain=20 until our son fell asleep. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Jul 24 06:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13993 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 13:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 13:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.prod.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 13:28:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:26:41 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD008D2DF2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Where to to in New Jersey thread-index: AcaunIvILH4t8mMjTOKpf6Ien6IYnQAiBs+Q To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=VYPnDfTic_kPp9ja3B5-SrizIL0R_jzx3OJNlRI9TG0-DoZrVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > I've now got myself to NE New Jersey on work: Newark area. I can think > of four parks within reasonable driving distance: SF Great Adventure, > SF New England, Dorney Park, and Hershey Park. What have I missed? Clementon Park ( http://www.clementonpark.com/ ) is a small park in southern Jersey not far from Great Adventure. They have a very good roller coaster named "J2" (nee Tsunami). > BTW, is Hershey Park in with any others? Do they take Cedar Point > passes or anything like that? Dorney Park is in Cedar Fair, right? Are > they taking 2006 Paramount passes yet? Hershey is not affiliated with any of these parks; but they are also the owners of Dutch Wonderland ( http://www.dutchwonderland.com ). I don't know if they have any multi-park deals. And yes, Dorney is a Cedar Fair park. I haven't heard yet what they're doing about Paramount passes. Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 07:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3432 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 14:23:25 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so1501403nfc for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr1523780hue; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30607240722h10918237pee79294ffe7add66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:22:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD008D2DF2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD008D2DF2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=w8R12ylf3dxyAOkvR4NsOXB_j27OvkDetwWRcUuXihzfechF X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 7/24/06, Jon Zucker wrote: > > I've now got myself to NE New Jersey on work: Newark area. I can think > > of four parks within reasonable driving distance: SF Great Adventure, > > SF New England, Dorney Park, and Hershey Park. What have I missed? There are also a bunch of pier parks along the shore in Jersey. The obvious NYC Coney Island, Rye Playland and Adventureland if you want to venture that way. South West of SFNE is also Lake Compounce. And both west of Dorney and north of Hershey is Knoebels. It's a park-rich area out there. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 07:37:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38164 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 14:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 14:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 14:37:05 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so2231728ugc for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr3619651ugj; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:36:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30607240722h10918237pee79294ffe7add66@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD008D2DF2@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> <74b0c9f30607240722h10918237pee79294ffe7add66@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ftTyC2v-cDB6J69XbhS1lfnHnutcd_xRyM9C0u4UqhoZ0z-kMIxeFuE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're in Northeastern New Jersey, you're close to quite a few parks. Here are some I thought of off the top of my head: Rye Playland - This is a really cool, very historic seaside park in Rye, NY. There's not a whole lot here coaster-wise, but there are a lot of great historic rides. We spent an afternoon here a few summers ago and had a great time. Astroland/Coney Island - Speaking of history, Coney Island is essentially the place that it all started. I have unfortunately not been here, but I've heard plenty of stories about their insanely-run flat rides. And you can't pass up a chance to ride what is perhaps the most famous roller coaster of all time, the Cyclone. Lake Compounce - This is a truly gorgeous park located about an hour from SFNE in Connecticut. Boulderdash is worth the trip alone, but there's certainly a lot more to do here than that. Don't miss the skyride/chairlift up the mountain. Knoebels - Consider heading out to Knoebels (ie the middle of nowhere, PA) in October for their Phoenix Phall Phunfest (PPP) event. They have two great wooden coasters and a lot of other unique, fun, and/or historic rides. PPP is an annual pilgrimage for many coaster enthusiasts. The Great Escape - This is a smaller, family-oriented park with a couple larger roller coasters including the Comet, which is consistently rated one of the best wooden coasters in the country. They have some unique attractions here, and the park is well run. Your Six Flags season pass will get you in if you have one. Canobie - I have not been to Canobie (yet), but I've heard it's wonderful. It might be a bit of a drive from where you are, but from what I've heard it's worth it. There's nothing spectacular here coaster-wise; it's apparently just a really great park. Other than those, Beth and Jon mentioned Clementon and the seaside pier parks. Assuming you're fairly close to Playland, here's an extremely thorouth list of parks nearby: http://www.rcdb.com/locationresult.htm?nearpark=56&pstatus=141 Have fun! -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Mon Jul 24 14:08:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26813 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from webmail33.lax.untd.com (webmail33.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.173]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCNLPT3AATGLMJ for (sender ); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hALY7HFsDLCjBUhBihaRh2MqshjrmV45tSg== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail33.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LV3USVGD; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:05:57 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail33.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:05:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:05:33 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060724.140557.15449.275645@webmail33.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2828476499 X-MAIL-INFO:56ed204df53554f58d3d35895489102d210c39bd0d496109d90c212445f025f561 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.173|webmail33.lax.untd.com|webmail33.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: SFA Discounts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=4JcsS4Z_8Oa6jG3q5MOOlK9oAqBKjVnr1N9KH1f4FG5MFybTEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Hey, just thought I'd give a heads up to anyone who might be in the=20 area but not be a season pass holder. I just pulled a Coke Classic=20 out of a vending machine that is offering 2 for one tickets to SFA,=20 good for up to 3 free tickets, (would be a group of 6). Good for any=20 normal operating day through Sept 10th. I'm located in northern Va,=20 about 45 min south of DC. I'm sure these cans are all over the=20 general advertizing area of the park, and for 65 cents and not having=20 to be a member of any organization, that's a heck of a savings. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Jul 24 14:47:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2361 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2006 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 21:43:47 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (95-135.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.135.95]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6OLhYf9028311 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c6af6a$3897bb60$5f877f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:43:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: Kraken at Sea World sends Two Women to Hospital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=CO7qzurJHNDwvXfHcxTe9Wn-GZWwxEac2sNGWa0hLL8Nb4EmW9ba X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.coaster-net.com/newsandreleases.php This happened on Kraken @ Sea World Orlando yesterday. Joe Tampa Bay, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 25 04:42:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92140 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 11:38:39 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G5LEw-0002mC-9Z for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: <44C602A8.30507@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:38:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f494d813f0e7cca7550b8689c1aade391c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=0ywoQ1X9DGDnAykD3qowsWV_ed7wXnChbhpLqncSM4Ak1BE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , george burnash > wrote: > > > > Doug Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > (gotta say I didn't like python though).. > > > > > > who does?!? > > > > Umm, me? > > you sure you arent thinking of scorpion instead? you really like an > old arrow corkscrew?!?! Oh, trust me, I know the difference between Scorpion and Python- remember, I did use to work there. And yes, I like an old Arrow corkscrew. Nate, Jeremy, Brian, and some of the others will also verify that I enjoyed Shockwave at SFGrAm before they tore it out, while they all pretty much hated it. There are a number of Arrow rides out there that I like. But then I also refuse to compare them on an equal basis to more modern coasters, as many others do. I feel it's an unfair comparison, and I won't do it. It's like apples to tomatos (yeah, I won't even call them oranges. hehe) I look at them for what they were when they were built, which was incredible machines. I still remember being awed by the Demon at what is now PGA, as well as Viper at SFMM when they opened. It's tough to match that. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 25 04:43:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75011 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 11:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 11:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 11:41:06 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.159] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G5LHZ-0004XT-L1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:41:01 -0400 Message-ID: <44C6034E.9010407@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:41:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060719.140236.28262.465111@webmail52.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20060719.140236.28262.465111@webmail52.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478858f34b49c869f499f14673abadfbe053e6d5e90b965ebae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bkc_OSk0zo2SsAEGKxuYGehWOMNrHPTwMFUkJo0MZXH5pac X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Tim N. wrote: > > > >you sure you arent thinking of scorpion instead? you really like an > >old arrow corkscrew?!?! > > Don't mind George, between riding the back of Gwazi and getting his > head beaten on Python for all the years he was in Tampa, he's got so > much brain damage he was willing to take a job taking pictures at > Disney. There's obviously something not quite right with him. :D > you could add in also thinking that I had a great time in Colombia- home of the drug capital of the world, guerilla warfare, and fun stuff like that. :) Course when they pay me to take those photos at the mouse almost as much money as I was making teaching, and it's a heck of a lot more fun, I can't see that being a bad thing. But then Tim is right. There's a lot out there that know I'm slightly off kilter (ok, maybe it's more than slightly...) keep on ridin George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 25 10:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27442 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 17:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 17:03:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.bc8.a3b5c6 (15874) for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0244c64da11bd; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:58:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:58:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=nTzZngxjWn9wICA0AVKdAtJbgTLg7xUAspnU6OWH27NrEzOmrw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Well, I wasn't going to take this trip, but with things falling close together, in this case Lost Coaster Weekend followed by a letterboxing event the next weekend, I decided, what the heck. The Plan Thurs. Aug 17- Travel day. I will be leaving Philly and headed for Holiday World, a 12 hour drive. I may stop by Kentuky Kingdom. I've been to the park before, and it is not impressive, but it is an easy quick stop. Has anyone gone to Sticker's Grove on a day other then their two public days? I hear if you write them real nice they will let you in to ride the coasters. Has anyone done this? Fri. Aug 18 - Holiday World. Basiclly just to ride Voyage. I am not a big fan of the park, it is nice, but once you have ridden the coasters, their flats are pretty weak and unimpressive. I plan to leave by 3ish and head to Indiana Beach for the nighttime ERT. Sat. Aug 19 - Indiana Beach. Lost Coaster Weekend is one of the best events out there. Can't wait for LoCoSuMo. Sun. Aug 20 - Head for the Dells. I plan to be at Kiddieland at opening, and then stop at Little A-Merrik-A along the way. Depending on when I make it to the Dells I may do Timber Falls or maybe Riverview. Mon. Aug 21 - Do the Dells. Anything I didn't get done on Sunday. That night head for Milwaukee. Tues. Aug 22 - Six Flags Great America. Depending on crowds, I may get a Q-bot, since I didn't pay to get in the park anyway. I am thinking about catching a Brewers game that night. Would I be shortchanging the park if I left by about 5? Overnight I plan to take the SS Badger across the lake. Has anyone done this before? Wed. Aug 23 - Michigan's Adventure followed by a trip over to Detroit to catch a Tigers game. Thurs. Aug 24 - Head to Niagra. I did not visit Marineland last time i was there, so I do that and head to Martin's for some evening rides on Silver Comet. Fri. Aug 25 - Six Flags Darian Lake and start the letterboxing event. I skipped SFDL last time, so this is a first vist for me. Catch a Muckdogs game that night I am camping at the state park there, does anyone know how far that campground is from the park? I would like to walk it if possible. Sat. Aug 26 - Letterboxing event. Sun. Aug 27 - Take a ride up to Seabreeze, do some more area letterboxing. Mon. Aug 28 - Head home. If anyone would like to meet me along the way, let me know. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The insensitivity rolls on... From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 10:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2101 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 17:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 17:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 17:23:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 17:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 17:23:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 17:23:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:23:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=zA0UXVlr2Obn8vd7CrpZHsXF7EuZMBowYh08oici3eLoHUTLKpdA X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown"=20 wrote: > Overnight I plan to take the SS Badger across the lake. Has anyone=20 > done this before? If you do this, I'd be interested in hearing what you think of it.=20 I've considered doing that for future trip planning. A couple of things on Screamscape caught my eye today: Things in general don't look so good at Cypress Gardens: http://www.screamscape.com/html/cypress_gardens.htm So is a more traditional amusement park just not sustainable in a=20 market full of big-budget theme parks? Or is Cypress Gardens just=20 not doing it right? Speaking of which (how's that for a segue?), Lance also linked to a=20 slideshow of SBNO stuff at SFMM: http://www.mousetimes.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3D521&pos=3D0 By my count, that's: Orient Express Flashback Freefall Circus Wheel Metro Thrill Shot I guess that's not really a whole lot, if everything else is up and=20 running. And they do seem to be working on Orient Express and=20 Freefall. Incidentally, I haven't been to the park since Tatsu=20 opened--- where exactly does the queue start? Is there still only=20 one way up the mountain, that steep path between Goldrusher and Spin=20 Out? He also includes some shots of the new parade, which actually looks=20 pretty good, if I were a parade guy. Have any of you seen it? Does=20 it get many spectators? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 10:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56688 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 17:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 17:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hu-out-0102.google.com) (72.14.214.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 17:36:40 -0000 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 35so1475935hue for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.164.13 with SMTP id m13mr2446812hue; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30607251031y40a81c32g2407eb64fd7e0de5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:31:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.214.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=gWoLptz91y5f1eQQs3YIpCqgcf3cmaDJsUBN04NeehrOZTRP X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 7/25/06, Nathan Brown wrote: > Well, I wasn't going to take this trip, but with things falling close > together, in this case Lost Coaster Weekend followed by a letterboxing > event the next weekend, I decided, what the heck. > > The Plan > > Tues. Aug 22 - > > Six Flags Great America. Depending on crowds, I may get a Q-bot, since I > didn't pay to get in the park anyway. > > I am thinking about catching a Brewers game that night. Would I be > shortchanging the park if I left by about 5? SFGAm doesn't have Q-bot, you basically buy a set of exit passes. They may be handy for some of the slow loaders like Whizzer, Deja, Rajin, and V2 if you're planning to leave the park early. Since the waterpark, crowds haven't been bad in the dry park though. > Overnight I plan to take the SS Badger across the lake. Has anyone done > this before? I haven't done the Badger since I was little, but I have done the Lake Express a couple times. Should be a good alternative to a hotel room though. > Thurs. Aug 24 - > > Head to Niagra. I did not visit Marineland last time i was there, so I > do that and head to Martin's for some evening rides on Silver Comet. If you're doing the Tigers game Wednesday night, it will be easiest to cross into Canada that night to save yourself the fun of the morning commute bridge/tunnel crossings. You don't need a passport (yet) but don't forget a birth certificate. > Mon. Aug 28 - > > Head home. > If you have time and haven't been before, the Carousel Museum near Martin's is nice, and there are 6 free-to-the-public antique carousels in Binghamton, NY just north of the PA border. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 10:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37273 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 17:43:47 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so3218097ugc for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr4998179ugm; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:41:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vagcWhLXvvEpxGudHHcVU_y4vmbzqrEvrV9968hY-PtyQTiYodNr62g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Holiday World. Basiclly just to ride Voyage. I am not a big fan of the > park, it is nice, but once you have ridden the coasters, their flats are > pretty weak and unimpressive. I agree that the flats at Holiday World are nothing special, but I don't generally go to parks for their flat rides anyway. I'm satisfied enough with Legend, Raven, and Voyage to spend several days at HW and never get bored. > I plan to leave by 3ish and head to Indiana Beach for the nighttime ERT. Know that there's no easy route to IB, and the drive will take longer than you think. > Indiana Beach. Lost Coaster Weekend is one of the best events out there. > Can't wait for LoCoSuMo. Sick. :) > Head for the Dells. I plan to be at Kiddieland at opening, and then stop > at Little A-Merrik-A along the way. Depending on when I make it to the > Dells I may do Timber Falls or maybe Riverview. Even though Timber Falls doesn't have a night pass anymore, I'd say go there. Riverview will take up about three and a half minutes of your time. Avalanche could be ridden for hours, especially at night. > Six Flags Great America. Depending on crowds, I may get a Q-bot, since I > didn't pay to get in the park anyway. > I am thinking about catching a Brewers game that night. Would I be > shortchanging the park if I left by about 5? If you've never been to SFGAm, then I think you would be. This is a very large park with lots to do. It's also usually very crowded. If you get the Q-Bot and are able to ride everything, then that's another story; I don't think leaving early would be a problem. But SFGAm usually tends to take a full day for me, and I've been there more times than I can count. > Overnight I plan to take the SS Badger across the lake. Has anyone done > this before? No, because it's expensive and takes about as long as it would to just drive around the lake. > Six Flags Darian Lake and start the letterboxing event. I skipped SFDL > last time, so this is a first vist for me. Catch a Muckdogs game that night > I am camping at the state park there, does anyone know how far that > campground is from the park? I would like to walk it if possible. There's a campground *at* SFDL, but that's not the state park. I don't know where that is, but I doubt it's within walking distance. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 11:03:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34044 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:03:28 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so2852095ugc for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr5008885ugi; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:52:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KccS5lIfkxgDkC3zVdtisL5DmTDlHn8FCVMFxwO6ANpgxMAqyykgQUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Things in general don't look so good at Cypress Gardens: > http://www.screamscape.com/html/cypress_gardens.htm > > So is a more traditional amusement park just not sustainable in a > market full of big-budget theme parks? Or is Cypress Gardens just > not doing it right? I think that's just a fluke. Unless something drastic has changed recently, Cypress Gardens was reporting record attendance and announcing they were doing far better than they ever planned. I think the park is in a good position to succeed as an alternative to the bigger Orlando parks. One bad trip report doesn't mean the park is failing. :) > Speaking of which (how's that for a segue?), Lance also linked to a > slideshow of SBNO stuff at SFMM: > I guess that's not really a whole lot, if everything else is up and > running. Well, when your park has six rides down and the only other thing they have is thrill rides and roller coasters (save for a couple of water and kiddie rides), it's a problem. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 25 11:05:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83809 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:05:47 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6PI5RMR022322 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:05:27 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:05:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:05:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 18:05:27.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[E89B6390:01C6B014] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=MrGNrndDYmAqm5hEuNyKta81DvZtb6KaQgLslhbskAk-1CAc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> I plan to leave by 3ish and head to Indiana Beach for the >> nighttime ERT. > > Know that there's no easy route to IB, and the drive will take longer > than you think. Nate is correct, it'll take you about 4 hours to get to Indy Beach from Holiday World. Take I64 west towards Louisville, then I65 north (using I264 or I265, whatever it is that connects the two - no need to actually go into Louisville) .. Trust me, it's the fastest route, even though it's more miles. The speed limit on the interstates in Indiana is 70MPH .. I usually sit just below 80 and have never had a problem. Also note that Holiday World is on central time, and Indiana Beach is on eastern (one hour ahead). If you leave Holiday World at 3pm central, you won't arrive at Indy Beach until around 8pm eastern. [Should "central" and "eastern" be capitalized??] >> Indiana Beach. Lost Coaster Weekend is one of the best events out >> there. >> Can't wait for LoCoSuMo. > > Sick. :) I'm almost counting the days! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 11:08:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71437 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:08:50 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so2677317ugf for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr5032834ugg; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:08:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sYL5KmhxzX5wLjoMrd_xZVSSDqjs284x8y3WzMWnehUvc8CE2HoEvus X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Nate is correct, it'll take you about 4 hours to get to Indy Beach > from Holiday World. Take I64 west towards Louisville, then I65 north > (using I264 or I265, whatever it is that connects the two - no need > to actually go into Louisville) .. Trust me, it's the fastest route, Agreed, but don't go west from Holiday World, or you'll never get to Louisville..or at least not for a very, very, very long time. ;-) -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 25 11:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72519 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:34:47 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k6PIWxYG005578 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:32:59 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:32:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:32:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 18:32:59.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[C16E41D0:01C6B018] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=RfxgwMG4vTHXQLHhz08FVVN_wMvmG0uutTpj04Xbbg8AlIl3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Nate is correct, it'll take you about 4 hours to get to Indy Beach >> from Holiday World. Take I64 west towards Louisville, then I65 north > > Agreed, but don't go west from Holiday World, or you'll never get to > Louisville..or at least not for a very, very, very long time. ;-) err .. yes. I swear that said "east" when I typed it! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 11:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27083 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:50:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 18:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 18:50:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 18:50:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:50:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=XV2pEr4tB6aiKosmakrxVU7yvQSYmrJWzeAaIWHbyZKIdEVIAkXy X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Well, when your park has six rides down and the only other thing they > have is thrill rides and roller coasters (save for a couple of water > and kiddie rides), it's a problem. I wrote that thinking, "well, it could be worse," considering that=20 I've been there when Deja Vu, Superman, the Sky Tower, and a couple of=20 the other flats were down, too. Really, though none of the downed=20 rides would be blockbusters by themselves, taken together, they add up=20 to a lot less variety at the park (like, no transportation rides to=20 get you up the mountain, for example). Adam http://www.blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 11:51:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61458 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 18:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 18:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 18:51:09 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n28so341557nfc for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr2565563huc; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0607251150p51f1054bqc91bac529acabea1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:50:04 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A few trip planning questions? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=lPfe-CTc9SkaPs_g9kMqXjnMt6UtVh2ff5I0ynoHC8imQrg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, if you take state highway 231either REALLY late at night or REALLY early in the morning the drive isn't too bad. But, you do have to go through a lot of small towns (I went to a college about halfway between the two parks). Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jul 25 12:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 224 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 19:06:05 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6PJ5xv3020786 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009301c6b01d$6c1e19d0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:06:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=JtwU2hfXHmk8QeVgFBtX6YcUAcO58F65fxmkxfi1pUV3ToCKPsmjjx8xZg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Things in general don't look so good at Cypress Gardens: >> http://www.screamscape.com/html/cypress_gardens.htm >> >> So is a more traditional amusement park just not sustainable in a >> market full of big-budget theme parks? Or is Cypress Gardens just >> not doing it right? > > I think that's just a fluke. Unless something drastic has changed > recently, Cypress Gardens was reporting record attendance and > announcing they were doing far better than they ever planned. I think > the park is in a good position to succeed as an alternative to the > bigger Orlando parks. One bad trip report doesn't mean the park is > failing. :) No but I've recieved two separate bad trip reports from Cypress Gardens in the last two weeks, the first one complainted about a variety of things over three different visits so far this season. Now I've got to wonder about the state of not only Cypress Gardens, but Wild Adventures as well and wonder if they bit off more than they can chew. I haven't heard much about the state of Wild Adventures so far this season, but I did notice that after buying the used log flume from Miracle Strip and announced it as the 2006 attraction for Wild Adventures (Shaka Zulu River Adventure) that the project was announced to be delayed until 2007 in May 2006. The rebuilding of the Starliner was also to be a Spring 2006 project... also delayed until 2007 at the end of 2005. I know they put Wild Adventures on the line financially to make the Cypress Gardens project happen and then were struck down with bad luck and hurricanes over and over as they tried to reopen it, just upping the costs of things. So I've got to wonder if they've decided to just kill all major capital projects for 2006 to ensure they are making their loan payments before going full tilt again in 2007 or if they are having a bit of financial trouble? Though, as I seem to recall reading, the Summer season is actually the slower season for Cypress Gardens, where they try to draw in all the locals with special events and concerts throughout the rest of the year when it just isn't as hot. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 13:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64294 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 20:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 20:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 20:45:27 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so2919437ugc for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr5165599ugi; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:44:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009301c6b01d$6c1e19d0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> <009301c6b01d$6c1e19d0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=uFvUSYWyVatFgBPCJZO81LZpukgSBC4suXFENeI67-EtgrPqHS10bbM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > No but I've recieved two separate bad trip reports from Cypress Gardens > in the last two weeks, the first one complainted about a variety of things > over three different visits so far this season. Well, as I'm sure you know, people tend to nit-pick their home parks like crazy. Given that Cypress Gardens has been reopened for some time now, we might finally just be hearing from those whose "home park" it is. That's not to say those problems don't exist - I'm certain they do - but that they're simply not really a huge deal in comparison to how the park is doing. Cypress Gardens was also essentially a brand new park built from scratch, so it's understandable that wear and tear is showing now, especially since he went out and purchased the cheapest rides possible. The reviews when the park first reopened were glowing, and now not so much. I'm guessing the actual conditions are somewhere in-between. > Now I've got to wonder about the state of not only Cypress Gardens, but Wild > Adventures as well and wonder if they bit off more than they can chew. I don't agree with all of the decisions that have been made at these two parks - they seem to add a lot of cheap, unreliable rides and don't seem to maintain that CCI in Georgia - but both of his parks do well attendance-wise, so he must be doing something right. I'm not sure he was the best possible operator for Cypress Gardens given its focus on landscaping and gardens, but I'd rather see it saved than lost forever. I don't think this is anything to worry about yet. If people are still really complaining next year and promised rides aren't being built, then I might be concerned. For now, I just assume there were some minor setbacks, and doubt either park is in any danger. -Nate From attitude90percent@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 15:51:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: attitude90percent@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88126 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 22:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 22:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 22:51:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 22:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2006 22:51:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:51:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.151.116 From: "attitude90percent" Subject: Hershey Park Roller Coasters From a Pint Sized Perspective X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276167705; y=f54oM-HHk2uk2DzbSqgapYgNPDhy4AMDQCSYE8b8oEKMRwSpzgdtHfTTyDA X-Yahoo-Profile: attitude90percent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I'm new here and excited to be a part of the group. I posted this story on my blog about our family's recent trip to Hershey and thought the members would probably get a kick out of it! Enjoy... Stephanie ========== When you are five years old and 43 inches tall, there are only four rides in all of Hershey Park. According to the good folks at Hershey, there are over 60 rides and attractions, but according to our daughter there are only four: The Comet, Superdooperlooper, Trailblazer and Roller Soaker. If you guessed that these four rides are roller coasters, you probably also guessed that we have a five year old thrill seeker in the family. I am sorry, make that a 43 inch tall five year old. We must keep the facts straight. After all, she did not make me check her height twice a week all winter for nothing. This child has been measured more than a Weight Watchers convention! I guess it all started last year when she rode the Jack Rabbit at Kennywood for the first time, and then again, and again; six times in all that day if memory serves. And mind you, we did not just ride, we waited extra time to sit in front and then extra time to sit in back and I even got a lecture on how to properly raise my hands above my head. White knuckled adults were shaking their heads in amazement, but she just could not get enough. She talked about it so much over the winter that to tide her over until summer arrived, I even created a screen saver collection called Roller Coaster Mania -- try it and see what you think: http://store.eSellerate.net/90percent/rcm ; I put this on my computer and all winter as we ticked off her progress on the growth chart, she grilled me about which one of the coasters in these gorgeous photos she would be able to ride. By the first signs of spring, I have to admit, I was pretty eager to get on the rides too! So when considering our vacation destination for the summer of 2006, the primary objective was to find a park that had roller coasters that met the height requirement and a good selection of kiddie rides for our younger daughter who thinks her sister is nuts, regardless of how tall she is. Since most parks put a 48 inch minimum on what our daughter calls real roller coasters, I had to do a little searching on the Internet before finally deciding upon Hershey Park in Pennsylvania which fit the bill. Of their 10 coasters, four are set at the 42 inch minimum with the greatest excitement of it all being the fact that one even does a loop dee loop, as she calls them. We nestled in to a cozy cabin at a nearby campground, saw some other sites in Amish Country, visited the Crayola Factory, attended a beautiful festival in Kutztown, and then it was off to the park for the day. Of course, to our five year old, the park was the whole purpose for the trip, not just one of the many family activities we had planned. Our youngest was just in it for the chocolate and also delighted in boinking the Hershey Bar character on the nose. So we all have our vices I guess. At dawn on the big day, I found myself being tapped on the shoulder several hours before I had planned to be out of bed. Can you measure me one more time, just to make sure, she said, as she waived a measuring tape over my head. Even before my first cup of coffee, this was one of those moments you will never forget. Not only did she sneak a measuring tape into the suitcases, she also brought along her high healed sandals just for good measure. I could not quite explain that after passing the 42 inch mark, it did not matter how tall she was until she reached the next 48 inch plateau. She insisted on the added insurance that the sandals provided, so they were the footwear of choice; at least until after the first hour or so when I pulled out the backup pair. I absolutely love riding roller coasters but let me go on record as saying that for a mother, it is a little unsettling to see your baby being strapped into a seat beside you; she just looked so tiny sitting there! So I did what any quick thinking mom would do and when the ride started, I proceeded to reach over with my arm and pin her against the back of the seat, brace her head from moving, and make sure she didn't fall out. After all, the ride operator DID say to secure, my belongings. Out of the gate, around a corner and down an incline we were thrust into a loop and a milestone was reached. She had experienced her first loop dee loop laughing and wide eyed every step of the way. This was her shining moment. When the ride was over, we hugged, jumped up a down a few times and then ran down to Daddy and her sister. More hugs, more excitement and then of course, Can we go again?! But Daddy, this time can you tell mommy to let go of me? I did some sheepish explaining and then we repeated our ride. In fact, we repeated the scenario 16 times (yes, she counted) in all that day spread amongst her four coasters. And as the day went on, I did manage to let go, and that made it much easier for her to thrust her hands in the air on every one we rode. While we proceeded to have a coaster marathon, Daddy and younger sister reported that there were actually a great deal of other fun things to do in the park too. There must have been, because I saw the tell tale signs of chocolate, but no one was admitting to anything. Maybe next time, I will figure it out! Then again, it is very likely that this winter we will reach that 48 inch mark on the wall, so I may never ride anything but a roller coaster again. Oh well, we all make sacrifices for our children now, do we not? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 16:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42495 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2006 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 23:03:14 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t5so1457097wxc for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.5 with SMTP id r5mr1660539wxr; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.16.7 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:03:04 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44C64DA2.1000400@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Random stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=seMUBck3xU7dnNvYXZujREV0Pn8bNY6BUDPjSA5GBKQYcorrmkiZaIw X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I guess that's not really a whole lot, if everything else is up and running. And they do seem to >be working on Orient Express and Freefall. Incidentally, I haven't been to the park since >Tatsu opened--- where exactly does the queue start? Is there still only one way up the >mountain, that steep path between Goldrusher and Spin Out? The queue and exit are both across from the Rapids entrance. It's a bit weird, since Tatsu doesn't fit the theme of that area, but it's a good idea since that area needed something. And yes, there's still a path up to Samurai Summit from that side. It's to the left of the Tatsu queue and it takes you right in front of the Tatsu station and up by Ninja. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:41:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31899 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 03:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 03:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.92) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 03:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 88156 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 03:40:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060726034028.88154.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:40:28 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:40:28 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk In-Reply-To: <1153869867.576.56148.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re Cypress Gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=z6svjOmXeDT1PSVKe9SgchNAdXXrd3ldxlNzrhETKPgHeVrhpHF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck We really enjoyed our visit to Cypress gardens back in October 2005. It was a great park with enough stuff for everyone and one of the most 3 year old friendly parks out there. That being said, the park was absolutely deserted that day. We saw hardly any people at all. It was a little eerie. True, there was a tropical storm going on not to far away, but we just got some of the offshoot bands, it hardly even rained. Then again, the whole reason we chose to go to the Florida Parks in Oct was for the light crowds. BGT wasn't that crowded, (sure was hot though) and USF and IOA were reasonable. I personally hope CG can stay afloat because it is a great alternative to the big guys and I'd like to visit again. Where else can you find a wooden coaster the size of Blue streak with a 36 inch hieght limit? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jul 26 07:23:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36531 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 14:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 14:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 14:23:37 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id HQS01688; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002401c6b0bf$2c8d55e0$6401a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:24:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.44C777DA.004A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Welcome! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=LkAGd16kjc-Jc_OiHZpbA-e6d0RkxrrKRwKzXQAiZUgarU-7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stephanie, Welcome to the group! Great little trip report from Hershey. That's one of my "I must get there someday SOON parks." Two years ago I had to make a trip to Philadelphia to pick up a riding lawn mower that my brother bought on ebay. We stopped in Hershey on our way east; but alas, it was early April and the park didn't open for the season until the following weekend. :-( We had to settle for Chocolate World. If you and your family are ever in the Midwest, drop me an email. I'd be happy to show you guys around my home parks (Holiday World and SFStL.) Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 26 08:57:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10534 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 15:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 15:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from ms-mss-02 (ms-mss-02-smtp-bk [10.10.4.7]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QF6x7n005757 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J30009SZNBNNM@ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com> for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.6.23] (Forwarded-For: [67.78.229.30]) by ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:59 -0400 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Subject: NEWS: BUSCH GARDENS AFRICA RIDE CLAIMS A LIFE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=8lAYBbszdzCbshBpEtWmnLKcMbNPsXi44LKv5zzLA3tVBXLYqc5O X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/7/26/170694.html From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Jul 26 12:17:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67628 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 19:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 19:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.prod.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 19:17:41 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:16:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00917966@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hershey Park Roller Coasters From a Pint Sized Perspective thread-index: AcawQY9bkz1MMZ8RQZ6NgJNr21//LgApeAJA To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: Hershey Park Roller Coasters From a Pint Sized Perspective X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=qqCf5qsfKhbCDIEPII2mPfmHLcmjlzO5yK6FuPNNM8DfWG6AVw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > I'm new here and excited to be a part of the group. I posted > this story > on my blog about our family's recent trip to Hershey and thought the > members would probably get a kick out of it! Enjoy... Stephanie > ========== Very entertaining trip report. Thanks for sharing, and welcome to the group. Jon Z (64+3/4") The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aglover02@comcast.net Wed Jul 26 13:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aglover02@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22746 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 20:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 20:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 20:03:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 20:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 20:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 20:03:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:03:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.49.154.203 From: "antongusa" Subject: Re: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176472823; y=zLidYt2QFHYti_FR03O7kwoIiem64nlf6vxopu0DhY_5vU9k X-Yahoo-Profile: antongusa > Hello all... I'm thinking about driving up to six flage new jersey and was=20 wondering if there were any season pass holders in the aea...I'd like=20 to meet a few people on here and maybe we can chill at the park.=20 Thinking about driving up there tommorow. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 14:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25239 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 21:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2006 21:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 21:05:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2006 21:03:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:03:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: BUSCH GARDENS AFRICA RIDE CLAIMS A LIFE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=xK0zgoP4Oashz_67SPy-R84xShc767Jqt8yIfv5qIWrGtnwdJeYk X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani Please forgive me for being tasteless but I had a real chuckle when I=20 read James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal's take on this incident: "BUSCH RIDE, PEOPLE DIED!!!!" It's about 2/3 of the way down the page: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=3D110008706 (Incidentally, I generally don't agree with Taranto's politics, but I=20 admire his wit.) Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 20:25:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84743 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 03:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 03:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 03:24:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:23:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30607240722h10918237pee79294ffe7add66@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.117.122.131 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=BpOQk8UxnaldogXpMdXQUoaVTkDOU0ZxQk_kudNaAlIDvDDbT5E X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Well thank you all. I'm getting interested in this. I didn't know Lake Compounce was near here. Did I hear Boulder Dash? I reckon I shall do some park touring in August. I won't "plan" to trip to Tokyo, but if I do get sent there for a few days on business, forget the nightlife - I'm doing Eejanaika! Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" wrote: > > On 7/24/06, Jon Zucker wrote: > > > I've now got myself to NE New Jersey on work: Newark area. I can think > > > of four parks within reasonable driving distance: SF Great Adventure, > > > SF New England, Dorney Park, and Hershey Park. What have I missed? >=20 > There are also a bunch of pier parks along the shore in Jersey. The > obvious NYC Coney Island, Rye Playland and Adventureland if you want > to venture that way. South West of SFNE is also Lake Compounce. And > both west of Dorney and north of Hershey is Knoebels. It's a park-rich > area out there. > From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 20:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33399 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 03:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 03:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 03:26:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:26:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.117.122.131 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=_RX8t7KMrdwAkwDzIKmsBDlWKfVtM8zgthLkPhlOAksQRNKIuZs X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Well thanks a bundle. I was thinking about fitting in a Great Escape stop, but it isn't exactly on my way home. I rode the Comet a Crystal Beach and was thrilled to see how well SFGE restored it. I reckon I could make Knoebels for PPP in October. What sort of pass do I need for Knoebels? Or are they independent? Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > If you're in Northeastern New Jersey, you're close to quite a few parks. > Here are some I thought of off the top of my head: >=20 > Rye Playland - This is a really cool, very historic seaside park in Rye, > NY. There's not a whole lot here coaster-wise, but there are a lot of great > historic rides. We spent an afternoon here a few summers ago and had a > great time. >=20 > Astroland/Coney Island - Speaking of history, Coney Island is essentially > the place that it all started. I have unfortunately not been here, but I've > heard plenty of stories about their insanely-run flat rides. And you > can't pass up a chance to ride what is perhaps the most famous roller > coaster of all time, the Cyclone. >=20 > Lake Compounce - This is a truly gorgeous park located about an hour from > SFNE in Connecticut. Boulderdash is worth the trip alone, but there's > certainly a lot more to do here than that. Don't miss the skyride/chairlift > up the mountain. >=20 > Knoebels - Consider heading out to Knoebels (ie the middle of nowhere, > PA) in October for their Phoenix Phall Phunfest (PPP) event. They have two > great wooden coasters and a lot of other unique, fun, and/or historic > rides. PPP is an annual pilgrimage for many coaster enthusiasts. >=20 > The Great Escape - This is a smaller, family-oriented park with a couple > larger roller coasters including the Comet, which is consistently rated one > of the best wooden coasters in the country. They have some unique > attractions here, and the park is well run. Your Six Flags season pass will > get you in if you have one. >=20 > Canobie - I have not been to Canobie (yet), but I've heard it's wonderful. > It might be a bit of a drive from where you are, but from what I've heard > it's worth it. There's nothing spectacular here coaster-wise; it's > apparently just a really great park. >=20 > Other than those, Beth and Jon mentioned Clementon and the seaside pier > parks. Assuming you're fairly close to Playland, here's an > extremely thorouth list of parks nearby: > http://www.rcdb.com/locationresult.htm?nearpark=3D56&pstatus=3D141 >=20 > Have fun! >=20 > -Nate >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jul 27 06:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45164 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 13:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 13:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 13:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 13:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 13:42:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:42:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44C602A8.30507@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: short TR: BGT 7/9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=xNNCBj3LggEKW9f8k93BgBtqAo_MyU2WrhYdcJDZhPYvSrPpAWE219r5Rg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Oh, trust me, I know the difference between Scorpion and Python-=20 > remember, I did use to work there. And yes, I like an old Arrow=20 > corkscrew. Nate, Jeremy, Brian, and some of the others will also=20 verify=20 > that I enjoyed Shockwave at SFGrAm before they tore it out, while=20 they=20 > all pretty much hated it. There are a number of Arrow rides out=20 there=20 > that I like. oh there are a couple of arrow rides out there i like(TN Tornado=20 being my fave), but the corkscrews i cant stand, like the one at=20 canobie. my ears hurt just looking at them. still not as bad as SLCs=20 though. those things should be outlawed.=20 =20 > But then I also refuse to compare them on an equal basis to more=20 modern=20 > coasters, as many others do. I feel it's an unfair comparison,=20 and I=20 > won't do it.=20=20 i can appreciate that. cant really compare a model T to a Yukon.=20 From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jul 27 07:23:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35037 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.3cb.66f1f12 (15875) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0344c8cb9fa5; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:20:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:20:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44C8CBA1.9020209@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Where to to in New Jersey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=oj9FDMWrlbqea-YRNBCsn8_odel-y8yCay7NqCgAZOL3y69uhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Andrew wrote on 7/26/2006, 11:26 PM: > Well thanks a bundle. I was thinking about fitting in a Great Escape > stop, but it isn't exactly on my way home. I rode the Comet a Crystal > Beach and was thrilled to see how well SFGE restored it. I reckon I > could make Knoebels for PPP in October. > > What sort of pass do I need for Knoebels? Or are they independent? > > Andrew No pass is needed, you don't have to be a member of any club to do PPP :) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The insensitivity rolls on... From jzerkel@consolidated.net Thu Jul 27 11:17:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99773 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 18:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 18:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 18:05:58 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id HRA37476; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004d01c6b1a7$3d547dc0$6401a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:05:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.44C8FD27.009D,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: park announcement predictions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=46oHp9vQ_3P9bo4dE8q-SazrQiYnMw2uY4lndbCVkbfwuD_X X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, It's about that time of year again, when many of us are anxiously awaiting official announcements from theme parks about their expansion plans/ new attractions for next season. That said, do you have any predictions (or suggestions) for your home park for the 2007 coaster season? I really don't expect Holiday World to add anything spectacular for next season (not after their capital expenditure this year for Gobbler Getaway and Voyage).... but I do have one suggestion for them that I think has been needed for couple of years already.... a second bath house is desperately needed in Splashin Safari. Their water park has expanded *so much* in the last few years.... it is now quite a trek from the Bahari River section back to the main locker areas. Something that could be done for a relatively small amount of money and would make guests more comfortable. I doubt if it will happen next year, but I still believe that eventually, HW will close their original parking lot and have all guests park in the "Legend lot" on the other side of Highway 162. This would free up considerable acreage for future park expansion. Anybody else have ideas for your home parks? Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 15:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54039 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:04:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:04:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Names New Disneyland Resort President X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M_CGJNlwOzcpAg2qWWMkKtUHhPvCAhmkh4xJlRydm5qdWhw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 25, 2006 Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060725/disney_appointment.html?.v=3D1 BURBANK, CA -- Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, a division of Walt=20 Disney Co., said Tuesday it has named Ed Grier as president of the=20 Disneyland Resort. Grier, a 25-year Disney veteran, previously served as executive=20 managing director of Walt Disney Attractions Japan. Grier, 51, replaces Matt Ouimet, who is leaving Disney to join=20 Starwood Hotels and Resorts. Grier's replacement in Tokyo will be=20 named later, Disney said. Disney shares fell 14 cents to $29.23 in afternoon trading on the New=20 York Stock Exchange. ------------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 15:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10971 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:20:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:20:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park blames rollercoaster malfunction on the heat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1NbEr_Ulm2XgplzaYIJInp-MacVcnctZnv9gvvp51bRF31k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/26/2006 9 News.com http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=3DKUSA&IKOBJECTID=3Dad87b1aa- 0abe-421a-004f-4d78b96f61bf&TEMPLATEID=3D0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047- c589c01ca7bf by: Deborah Sherman DENVER, CO -- The rollercoaster ride at Lakeside Amusement Park=20 stopped just in front of an 80' drop Sunday. Passengers say it took 3 hours for them to all get down safely. On=20 Wednesday, maintenance workers started repairing the rails and=20 checking out the rest of the ride, according to park officials.=20 Passengers say park officials sent up water while they waited to be=20 rescued. 6 members of Charity Hardy's family were riding the Cyclone when it=20 came to a screeching halt. 3 members of her family were hurt and went=20 to the hospital for neck injuries and whiplash, according to Hardy. It was 10-y.o. Cathleen Hayes' first ride on a rollercoaster. Instead=20 of a 2-minute thrill at 55-mph, she got stuck at the top of an 80'=20 hill and had to climb down to safety. "I was like, oh my God, get me=20 down from this rollercoaster," said Hayes. She said her neck still=20 hurts, while her sister-in-law suffered a hurt back and her brother=20 Joe got whiplash. Joe said he felt the wheel pop off. But LAP officials say that was a=20 safety wheel, designed to stop the train. "They force metal out=20 against the rail and that causes screeching and it causes sparks,=20 which is what frightened people, but what it actually does is slow=20 the car down until it stops," said Connie Moore, spokeswoman for=20 Lakeside. "So, it's a safety feature." Not only did passengers have to climb down 80', Charity Hardy's=20 family claims Lakeside did not offer them any medical=20 attention. "They didn't offer any medical help, didn't offer it then=20 or in the future," said Pat Werner. "Nobody asked how they were, if=20 they were all right." LAP's Moore says there were firefighters on the property but they=20 were in plain clothing and unrecognizable to the passengers. Moore=20 says Werner's family was offered refunds and given 1-day free passes. Werner's family said they're going to sue Lakeside to help pay for=20 medical bills. Meanwhile, LAP says the Cyclone may re-open on Friday. The Colorado Division of Oil and Public Safety requires a full=20 inspection report before the coaster is allowed to run again. Even though Lakeside will turn 100 y.o. in 2008, registration and=20 safety records show there have been no fatalities or serious=20 accidents on the rides. Inspection records show 13 people in the last decade have been=20 injured riding the Cyclone. Many of those injuries, include whiplash, neck and knee pain,=20 happened during the ride, not by malfunctioning equipment. What about the parks' other 40 rides? Records show 73 people have=20 been hurt since 1995. Colorado state law only requires amusement parks and carnivals to=20 report injuries once a year during annual registration. The law also=20 requires amusement parks be fully insured and submit annual safety=20 inspections using their own inspectors or inspectors hired by their=20 insurance companies. There are no state inspectors. "The statute=20 doesn't even give us authority to inspect, let alone give us the=20 resources," said Richard Piper, Division Director for the DOPS. Piper says amusement parks like LAP are also required to check their=20 equipment every morning. "What history has shown is that the owners=20 are very responsible and they do hire very experienced people to do=20 these inspections," said Piper. "And they do it not only to comply=20 with state law, but they're doing it for their own good because=20 they're at risk every day with their customers and the public." According to the IAAPA, there were nearly 2,500 injuries at parks=20 nationwide in 2003. That's about 7 injuries per every million=20 visitors. There are 13 fixed amusement parks in Colorado, about 40 parks=20 overall. Many are seasonal carnivals, according to state officials. -------- Copyright by KUSA-TV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39054 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 22:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 22:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 22:29:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:29:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 22:29:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:29:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Theme Park May Be Coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BQOhXHmo92pa6WTVlq5JqWB4RPu10uZnz2otxZvEgv8rSZE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/26/2006 =A9 2006 The Intelligencer & Wheeling News Register=20 http://www.theintelligencer.net/News/articles.asp?articleID=3D8813 By MARIO MUSCAR WHEELING, WV -=97 An amusement park, rumored to be called "Wild=20 Escapes" and bigger than Kennywood, was confirmed by Ohio County=20 Commission President David Sims at the regular meeting Tuesday as a=20 possible new tenant at The Highlands. "It is one of the things we are=20 looking at," Sims said. The Ohio County Development Authority is scheduled to meet at 5 p.m.=20 today at the Cabela's retail conference room to discuss consideration=20 of tenants and property transactions. Other new announcements=20 concerning the future of the 1,000-acre site also will be discussed=20 at the meeting. There will be a groundbreaking following the meeting at 7 p.m. on the=20 west end of Cabela's Retail Store lot, at the far end of Cabela Drive. ------------ =A9 2006 The Intelligencer & Wheeling News Register From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 20:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95386 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 03:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 03:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 03:12:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 03:12:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:12:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.197.71.216 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: RUMOR: Theme Park May Be Coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=7zINFkRjXCDGRnnTQKa_cqduXdjAuOhnt7q5FKZrPKGaFaNHFw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg Sweet, my NEW homepark! Hope to hear more on it as it develops! still a good 3-4 hour drive! >=20 > WHEELING, WV -=97 An amusement park, rumored to be called "Wild=20 > Escapes" and bigger than Kennywood, was confirmed by Ohio County=20 > Commission President David Sims at the regular meeting Tuesday as a=20 > possible new tenant at The Highlands. "It is one of the things we are=20 > looking at," Sims said. >=20 > The Ohio County Development Authority is scheduled to meet at 5 p.m.=20 > today at the Cabela's retail conference room to discuss consideration=20 > of tenants and property transactions. Other new announcements=20 > concerning the future of the 1,000-acre site also will be discussed=20 > at the meeting. >=20 > There will be a groundbreaking following the meeting at 7 p.m. on the=20 > west end of Cabela's Retail Store lot, at the far end of Cabela Drive. > ------------ > =A9 2006 The Intelligencer & Wheeling News Register > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:42:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27015 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 07:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 07:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 07:42:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 07:41:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 07:41:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:41:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.72.18 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Eejanaika @ Fuji-Q Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=t1QDcMR88ukBqLJRvzvX2g_fBVqgPkAWosXab3qq0PEEzUXxbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 OK, here's the story:=20 I'm so far behind in TR's and Photo TR's I may just put them all off=20 until winter and deal with it all when I don't have another coaster=20 trip in the next week.=20 So, for now, here's My Fuji-Q / Eejanaika (EJ) ride report: 26 July, 2006 I woke up at 4:30 am to start my train journey early enough to=20 arrive in time for the park's 9 am opening. (Sorry, Elissa, none of=20 the bus options work for me from the direction I start from.) After=20 more transfers than I care to count, I finally arrived at the park=20 at just before 9, to see all the rides running and the park already=20 open! I also remembered why I always drove to this park, even though=20 I take trains everywhere else in Japan! I quickly paid my entrance fee and grabbed `breakfast' (okonomiyaki=20 (Japanese cabbage pancake) on a stick, not very good) in the new=20 gift shop area built next to the EJ station. I snapped a couple=20 pictures of the train in action as the line didn't look very long=20 yet, and then got in line. The station can be approached from 2=20 areas, and there is a good amount of switchbacks located under a=20 retractable sunshade. After passing the pay-as-you-go ticket machine=20 (1000 yen / ride) the line goes up a short slope, turns right and=20 then splits to the two sides of the train. The Guiness Book plaque=20 is here, and another framed document which I've already forgotten=20 what it was. I turned right at the split, moved around a left turn,=20 continued up the ramp, u-turned right again, and hit the end of the=20 line about half way up this ramp. That put one more turn and ramp=20 section before the door where they split up the people into groups=20 of ten to wait in the four locker / waiting platform / air gates.=20 The wait was a little over 30 minutes with an average of one=20 dispatch every 5 minutes 30 seconds when one train was running and=20 between 3 and four minutes with 2 trains running. They had problems=20 with both trains all day, and kept cycling out the trains for small=20 fixes. I believe that they operated two trains for about half the=20 day, but just putting the trains on and pulling them off certainly=20 wasn't helping the queue times.=20 When I finally reached the door, I was assigned to row 5, the back=20 row. They pulled the green train off just before I boarded, so I=20 rode the yellow train. There was an American standing to one side of=20 the station, and I ended up talking to him for a moment before I was=20 dispatched. His name was Mike Smith, and he is an employee of S&S=20 Power, and he works in the department that designs and fabricates=20 the trains. He was part of the design team on X, and he offered to=20 show me around the backstage areas of the coaster after my ride. As=20 you can imagine, I took him up on that offer!=20 But first, the ride!=20 I'm pretty sure that if you've been following this ride at all,=20 you've seen the POV. I will give my own version, in text, here. My=20 pictures and video will be posted shortly.=20 As the train drops out of the station, the trains rotate back until=20 your head is below your chest, and they remain there until just=20 before the bottom of the lift. They rotate back to vertical, but in=20 relation to the ground, not the track, for the climb up the long=20 lift hill.=20 At the top, as the trains transit the dip, they rotate to face you=20 straight down for the first drop. Since they reach this position=20 before the drop begins, everybody gets to look 75 meters straight=20 down to the ground, with no sight obstructions. As the drop begins,=20 the seat rotates to maintain the orientation to the ground, and the=20 cars in front of you seem to rotate into view. Just before the train=20 reaches the pullout, the seats rotate forward to `put your butt into=20 the g's.'=20 After the train reaches the lowest point of the course, it ascends=20 into the inside raven turn. As the train approaches the peak, it=20 executes a full back-flip before dropping down to approach the full- full.=20 This maneuver is the most wild, insane, out-of-control feeling I=20 have ever had on a coaster. The forward rotation, combined with the=20 counterclockwise twist throws you against the incredibly comfortable=20 OTSR's for an extended bout of twisting airtime.=20 Following the amazing full-full, you race along the top of the first=20 evacuation platform and climb into the massive overbanked turn. The=20 seats don't rotate but you change orientation from on your back to=20 on your front during the turn. The half-half rotates you through a=20 half backflip and you exit this element facing backwards for the=20 first time since the lift.=20 The outside raven turn is the most gentle element of the ride, and=20 it simply seems like the train rotates around you as you drop down=20 for the last time. (It's actually a forward half flip.) The half=20 twist onto the brake run is accompanied by a half back flip, and as=20 you brake you are facing straight down at the walkway. This puts=20 your butt into the deceleration, and is actually a much more=20 pleasant element than the trick before the lift.=20 When I arrived in the station, I grabbed my bag from the locker and=20 Mike Smith brought me up onto the catwalk behind the ride operations=20 booth. From this vantage, we watched the trains get swapped out=20 (again) and discussed what it was like at Arrow during the final=20 days, working for S&S, the design sequence for the 4D concept, the=20 changes made to the trains between X and EJ, as well as numerous=20 other topics. During this conversation, we went down into the=20 workshop under the transfer track and he showed me the disassembled=20 blue train and he explained how all the pieces went together as well=20 as how it all worked. He was particularly proud of all the new=20 suspension elements added and the various weight reduction=20 techniques they used during the construction. They shaved off a=20 little more than 1000 pounds per row, which considering that they=20 ADDED things, was quite an accomplishment! We exited the workshop=20 and wandered over to the new concessions area built for the ride. We=20 talked for some more, and then he had to go back to work. I got back=20 in the line again for the now one hour wait, and got a 4th row ride.=20 After my second lap, I spent most of the day getting off-ride=20 footage before getting my final laps on Dodonpa and Fujiyama.=20 There were more people in the park from outside Japan than I had=20 ever seen, I met folks from Germany, Australia and Americans who=20 weren't in the military stationed in Japan. The park wasn't crowded=20 as the wait for DDP was only 45 minutes and Fujiyama's line was only=20 10 minutes. Before leaving, I wanted one last ride on Eejanaika, so=20 I queued up for the longest wait of the day, just over 90 minutes.=20 This worked out to a third row ride, which was the wildest so far.=20 I had tried to get a front row ride by allowing people to pass me at=20 the door, but the ops wouldn't let me do it. When I returned to the=20 station this time, Mike had worked it out with the ops to let me=20 skip the line, and immediately queue up for the front row in the=20 same waiting area I had just left. (It wasn't actually quite that=20 smooth.) So for my last ride of the day, I got front row, outside=20 seat, and it was simply amazing. I only rode the inside seat on my=20 first lap, and neither seat is rough, but the outside is definitely=20 much more wild / out-of-control.=20 As for how it stacks up against the other 500+ coasters I've been=20 on? Pretty good, actually, I'm positive it cracks into my top ten,=20 and probably my top 5, but Eejanaika was not my number one steel=20 coaster. It's simply too short an experience. At 30 million for X=20 and 35 million for EJ, I sadly don't see anyone making a much longer=20 model though. I enjoyed tracking the construction of this ride for the past seven=20 months, and sharing the images with everyone. After all the trips=20 and build up for this ride, I'm not disappointed with the=20 experience. Fuji-Q has a real winner on their hands.=20 Thanks to Fuji-Q, S&S Power, Meisho Amusement Machines and OB Steel=20 for the excellent ride and special thanks to Mike Smith and the=20 construction workers who allowed me a little better than average=20 access to the ride before and after the ride opening.=20 Chris B Next, on Sunday, the new coaster at Sega Joypolis. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Jul 28 04:59:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13055 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 11:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 11:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ASMAIL.prod.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 11:59:26 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:55:50 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00917DA7@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: NEWS: Amusement park blames rollercoaster malfunction on the heat thread-index: Acax1i0m7VCwxXodQEywhAn1LwQjYAAZguBg To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: NEWS: Amusement park blames rollercoaster malfunction on the heat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=8si4yWZ5b5D8Efi_rapMhIbyD61-A4wp8uj59CJa5XtGlorkrA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > The Colorado Division of Oil and Public Safety ... The what?! That's a typo, right? Jon Z (department of fish sticks, chess, and non sequiturs) The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jul 28 08:41:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84725 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6SEcBbO007390 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <077601c6b253$860593e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Eejanaika @ Fuji-Q Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=hgaaCXavvhDbuQkZDUGBTK3pifHPy5XQc_UUa9_eNVZhGAngRXht_FUfMw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Great report, I look forward to seeing your photos and video! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:41 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Eejanaika @ Fuji-Q Highlands OK, here's the story: I'm so far behind in TR's and Photo TR's I may just put them all off until winter and deal with it all when I don't have another coaster trip in the next week. So, for now, here's My Fuji-Q / Eejanaika (EJ) ride report: 26 July, 2006 I woke up at 4:30 am to start my train journey early enough to arrive in time for the park's 9 am opening. (Sorry, Elissa, none of the bus options work for me from the direction I start from.) After more transfers than I care to count, I finally arrived at the park at just before 9, to see all the rides running and the park already open! I also remembered why I always drove to this park, even though I take trains everywhere else in Japan! I quickly paid my entrance fee and grabbed `breakfast' (okonomiyaki (Japanese cabbage pancake) on a stick, not very good) in the new gift shop area built next to the EJ station. I snapped a couple pictures of the train in action as the line didn't look very long yet, and then got in line. The station can be approached from 2 areas, and there is a good amount of switchbacks located under a retractable sunshade. After passing the pay-as-you-go ticket machine (1000 yen / ride) the line goes up a short slope, turns right and then splits to the two sides of the train. The Guiness Book plaque is here, and another framed document which I've already forgotten what it was. I turned right at the split, moved around a left turn, continued up the ramp, u-turned right again, and hit the end of the line about half way up this ramp. That put one more turn and ramp section before the door where they split up the people into groups of ten to wait in the four locker / waiting platform / air gates. The wait was a little over 30 minutes with an average of one dispatch every 5 minutes 30 seconds when one train was running and between 3 and four minutes with 2 trains running. They had problems with both trains all day, and kept cycling out the trains for small fixes. I believe that they operated two trains for about half the day, but just putting the trains on and pulling them off certainly wasn't helping the queue times. When I finally reached the door, I was assigned to row 5, the back row. They pulled the green train off just before I boarded, so I rode the yellow train. There was an American standing to one side of the station, and I ended up talking to him for a moment before I was dispatched. His name was Mike Smith, and he is an employee of S&S Power, and he works in the department that designs and fabricates the trains. He was part of the design team on X, and he offered to show me around the backstage areas of the coaster after my ride. As you can imagine, I took him up on that offer! But first, the ride! I'm pretty sure that if you've been following this ride at all, you've seen the POV. I will give my own version, in text, here. My pictures and video will be posted shortly. As the train drops out of the station, the trains rotate back until your head is below your chest, and they remain there until just before the bottom of the lift. They rotate back to vertical, but in relation to the ground, not the track, for the climb up the long lift hill. At the top, as the trains transit the dip, they rotate to face you straight down for the first drop. Since they reach this position before the drop begins, everybody gets to look 75 meters straight down to the ground, with no sight obstructions. As the drop begins, the seat rotates to maintain the orientation to the ground, and the cars in front of you seem to rotate into view. Just before the train reaches the pullout, the seats rotate forward to `put your butt into the g's.' After the train reaches the lowest point of the course, it ascends into the inside raven turn. As the train approaches the peak, it executes a full back-flip before dropping down to approach the full- full. This maneuver is the most wild, insane, out-of-control feeling I have ever had on a coaster. The forward rotation, combined with the counterclockwise twist throws you against the incredibly comfortable OTSR's for an extended bout of twisting airtime. Following the amazing full-full, you race along the top of the first evacuation platform and climb into the massive overbanked turn. The seats don't rotate but you change orientation from on your back to on your front during the turn. The half-half rotates you through a half backflip and you exit this element facing backwards for the first time since the lift. The outside raven turn is the most gentle element of the ride, and it simply seems like the train rotates around you as you drop down for the last time. (It's actually a forward half flip.) The half twist onto the brake run is accompanied by a half back flip, and as you brake you are facing straight down at the walkway. This puts your butt into the deceleration, and is actually a much more pleasant element than the trick before the lift. When I arrived in the station, I grabbed my bag from the locker and Mike Smith brought me up onto the catwalk behind the ride operations booth. From this vantage, we watched the trains get swapped out (again) and discussed what it was like at Arrow during the final days, working for S&S, the design sequence for the 4D concept, the changes made to the trains between X and EJ, as well as numerous other topics. During this conversation, we went down into the workshop under the transfer track and he showed me the disassembled blue train and he explained how all the pieces went together as well as how it all worked. He was particularly proud of all the new suspension elements added and the various weight reduction techniques they used during the construction. They shaved off a little more than 1000 pounds per row, which considering that they ADDED things, was quite an accomplishment! We exited the workshop and wandered over to the new concessions area built for the ride. We talked for some more, and then he had to go back to work. I got back in the line again for the now one hour wait, and got a 4th row ride. After my second lap, I spent most of the day getting off-ride footage before getting my final laps on Dodonpa and Fujiyama. There were more people in the park from outside Japan than I had ever seen, I met folks from Germany, Australia and Americans who weren't in the military stationed in Japan. The park wasn't crowded as the wait for DDP was only 45 minutes and Fujiyama's line was only 10 minutes. Before leaving, I wanted one last ride on Eejanaika, so I queued up for the longest wait of the day, just over 90 minutes. This worked out to a third row ride, which was the wildest so far. I had tried to get a front row ride by allowing people to pass me at the door, but the ops wouldn't let me do it. When I returned to the station this time, Mike had worked it out with the ops to let me skip the line, and immediately queue up for the front row in the same waiting area I had just left. (It wasn't actually quite that smooth.) So for my last ride of the day, I got front row, outside seat, and it was simply amazing. I only rode the inside seat on my first lap, and neither seat is rough, but the outside is definitely much more wild / out-of-control. As for how it stacks up against the other 500+ coasters I've been on? Pretty good, actually, I'm positive it cracks into my top ten, and probably my top 5, but Eejanaika was not my number one steel coaster. It's simply too short an experience. At 30 million for X and 35 million for EJ, I sadly don't see anyone making a much longer model though. I enjoyed tracking the construction of this ride for the past seven months, and sharing the images with everyone. After all the trips and build up for this ride, I'm not disappointed with the experience. Fuji-Q has a real winner on their hands. Thanks to Fuji-Q, S&S Power, Meisho Amusement Machines and OB Steel for the excellent ride and special thanks to Mike Smith and the construction workers who allowed me a little better than average access to the ride before and after the ride opening. Chris B Next, on Sunday, the new coaster at Sega Joypolis. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 12:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43463 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 19:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 19:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 19:39:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:39:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:39:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:39:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00917DA7@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park blames rollercoaster malfunction on the heat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jPaOvRxnYXurz25jK575hul0AtkKG5uQTd_k1ETRwlFEMAc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zucker" =20 wrote: > > The Colorado Division of Oil and Public Safety ... > The what?! That's a typo, right? >=20 > Jon Z (department of fish sticks, chess, and non sequiturs) The First Nope! That's exactly as I found it. Here's Colorado's link: http://oil.cdle.state.co.us/ -Alan (Yeah, like Tobacco & Firearms have anything to do with each=20 other) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 12:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28416 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 19:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 19:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 19:45:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:44:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:44:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika @ Fuji-Q Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bcxLQ-mTAT7TlYhjx5G3ToWyeFzHuyaNeRe7CMWpShmIbyY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, What a great report! Isn't cool when something unexpected like that=20 happens? It makes the trip. Can't wait to see the video. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 12:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71538 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 19:49:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:49:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:49:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:49:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Japanese buyer snaps up Jacko's amusement rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=44Uq3liC0elnZLYqcgNrXMitjc3RNcNsMBjGNlXrDymph8A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2006 Asian News International http://in.news.yahoo.com/060728/139/668lx.html Los Olivos, CA -- Former king of pop Michael Jackson's financial woes=20 have left him so strapped for cash that he has reportedly closed down=20 the funfair at his Neverland estate after being forced to sell his=20 amusement rides. Jackson is said to have sold the amusement rides at the estate for=20 500,000 dollars to a Japanese buyer, reports Contactmusic. The new owner now plans to use the rides in a theme park that he's=20 building in Japan as a tribute to the 'Thriller' singer. The singer has already been forced to get rid of the menagerie,=20 including tigers, elephants and giraffes that called the Neverland=20 ranch home. Jackson has not returned to the Santa Barbara County estate ever=20 since he moved to the Middle East home, after it was raided by police=20 looking for evidence into his 2004 and 2005 child molestation case. --------- =A9 2006 ANI-Asian News International =A9 2006 Yahoo Web Services India Pvt Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 12:55:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73916 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2006 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 19:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:55:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2006 19:55:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:55:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Whalom Park sign is stolen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WyiAbCEDmIBeyt2G_BKyM2nd-BCtyLPmB72LfujAK3lT7Ro X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2006=20=20 Worcester Telegram & Gazette=20 http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060728/NEWS/607280639 By Mary Jo Hill LUNENBURG, MA -=97 Somebody made off with a super-sized souvenir 2=20 nights ago from Whalom Park, after removing about 50 screws and=20 hauling away two sheets of plywood. The "Whalom Park" sign attached to the lake side of the Flyer Comet=20 roller coaster is gone. Left behind was an unfinished can of Bud Light, still wrapped in a=20 cooler that reads, "Live well, laugh often, love always." William J. Murphy, caretaker of the now-defunct amusement park on=20 Route 13, said he drove by at 8 p.m. Wednesday and everything was OK. When he came back yesterday morning to meet someone, he said: "I=20 looked over, I looked back again and said, `Something's missing.'" The people who bought the park and have plans to build town houses=20 there wanted to keep the sign and others in the park, Mr. Murphy said. He had taken down several other signs, but when he visited the site=20 last weekend to remove the now-stolen sign, he realized he did not=20 have the right bit to take out some of the screws. "I feel horrible,"=20 he said. "I wanted to get one last picture of the roller coaster with=20 the sign."=20 The two 4x8 pieces of plywood were painted with a gray background and=20 white and red letters, he said. "Nothing fancy," Mr. Murphy said. The=20 paint was faded and the sign was not in good condition. Apparently it was appealing enough to someone who is sentimental=20 about the park and handy with a screwdriver. Mr. Murphy pointed out how weeds were trampled next to the roller=20 coaster, where one or more people must have walked to get to the=20 sign. "I take it personally, I really do," he said. The sign was attached to "The Black Hole," a tunnel added to the=20 Flyer Comet in 1995 so that coaster riders would get an extra thrill=20 by being plunged into darkness. The ride was built in 1940. Whalom Park has been closed since 2001. Plans to develop the land for=20 housing have upset some people who cherish their memories from the=20 park. --------- =A9 2006 Worcester Telegram & Gazette Corp. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 08:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 390 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2006 15:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2006 15:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2006 15:44:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2006 15:44:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:44:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c6b1a7$3d547dc0$6401a8c0@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: park announcement predictions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=pvTlJbOAIblSvM-1WrnAsxMuY9rthARxaaGkUQmUZU-glGB59IgxG6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zerkel" =20 wrote: > > Hello all, >=20 > It's about that time of year again, when many of us are anxiously=20 awaiting official announcements from theme parks about their expansion=20 plans/ new attractions for next season. >=20 > That said, do you have any predictions (or suggestions) for your=20 home park for the 2007 coaster season? >=20 >=20 > This is not a prediction but I can tell you that I am excited to see=20 what Maverick is going to be like at CP! Has anyone heard anything=20 new about this one??=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 04:05:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88411 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 11:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2006 11:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2006 11:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 11:05:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 11:05:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:05:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.171.125.229 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Eejanaika @ Fuji-Q Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=nyi9_waNsd7A7N04MnJdgfjsvAmaAnv89xCGdFOCh8yMdboa4g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hey, all.=20 I've finished editing my video. It's over 300 mb, so I have to send=20 it to TPR via ftp. It's going now, and should be up soon. (Let me=20 know when it gets posted, I'm going to sea soon and I won't know=20 when it goes online.)=20 The pictures are all uplined, and can be seen here: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D27325 (Lance, if you post this and the video link at Screamscape, I'll be=20 able to see when the video goes online.)=20 I hope you enjoy it, and let me know what you think of my=20 first 'real' effort at editing a video.=20 Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > Chris, > What a great report! Isn't cool when something unexpected like=20 that=20 > happens? It makes the trip. >=20 > Can't wait to see the video. >=20 > -Alan > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jul 30 16:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1358 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2006 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2006 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 23:55:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 23:55:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:55:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oLU4hclUHNEXWYdw_3mQY197H30ed0whWxrEiITW-LNAiVQFfLzqtoSY6A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or 8/20? i=20 can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a=20 response here and we can talk about or email me about it.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 05:08:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60018 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 12:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 12:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 12:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 12:07:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 12:07:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:07:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.232.26 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mPAF2y1lXCwYM2O06M3hGTQ3_GHJ6QFdo5aSLbA69BHNOZIX73YY X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme As usual, if you'd like to see some low-res images culled from video I shot, you can go to > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/sfgram06/sfgram06.html < =3D=3D=3D For our first vacation together in three years, Karen, our two daughters, Heather and Liz, and I went out to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to visit Karen's sister. Wisconsin is a beautiful state with plenty to offer. But for our first amusement-related excursion, we traveled a short distance south to Gurnee, Illinois, to visit Six Flags Great America. We went there six years ago but only had a few hours to spend. The park was mobbed with people then and we accomplished very little. But it impressed us enough that we wanted to return. Karen and I both had season passes to Six Flags New England. I purchased tickets for the girls online at quite a savings. We chose a Monday, figuring that the park would be less crowded. The weather forecast was for hot and humid conditions with intermittent thunderstorms, which I though would also work in our favor. We arrived at the entrance at a little after 11 am. Parking cost $15, which had become standard at Six Flags parks. It cost more just to park there than it cost for a whole day of fun at Wisconsin's Little Amerricka. Five lanes of cars were already backed up, and the front parking area was completely filled. So much for my theory that gas prices (which were much higher in this area) were keeping people away.... We parked about 1/4 mile from the ticket booths. To the left was the new B&M flying coaster, Superman: Ultimate Flight. The old Arrow Shockwave coaster was a much more visually impressive sight, with greater height and a meandering footprint that occupied a great deal of land. Superman was a lot more compact, but certainly offered a much more interesting ride experience than the aging Shockwave. This was the 45th anniversary of the Six Flags name, though the parks themselves had changed owners several times. It was also the 30th anniversary of Great America, originally owned by the Marriot hotel chain. We walked through the security checkpoint, sadly now also a standard feature at most amusement parks, and were in front of the park's visual signature: the stunning double-decker carousel spinning in front of the giant reflecting pool. Although we had more time to spend than on our last visit, the park was much more crowded than I had expected. So we decided to make a clockwise sweep of the entire park, focusing on rides that we didn't get to experience last time. I was particularly eager to ride Viper, which I heard was a really good wood coaster. The park's layout was essentially a giant wheel (a design popularized by Disneyland), and was divided into seven areas reflecting different parts of the United States: Orleans Place, Mardi Gras, Yankee Harbor, Yukon Territory, County Fair, Southwest Territory and Hometown Square (which was located in the middle of the wheel). To the right of the Southwest Territory was also Hurricane Harbor, a large waterpark that was free with admission. The most impressive thing about this park was the landscaping. Each area was themed just enough to make it feel like a unique place. The theming was certainly not as extensive as Disney or Busch Gardens, but it was more than I expected from a Six Flags park. There was authentic looking architecture and music that blended well from one area to another. Another thing evident was the emphasis by the new management on entertainment: Looney Tunes characters were everywhere (even Granny), as were DC comic characters. I wanted to ride Superman, but the line at that point was spilling out down the midway. I'm not sure how Superman fit into the New Orleans theming. There wasn't even an attempt to make it fit. It looked like it belonged in a DC Comics area. We kept on walking through to the Mardis Gras section. The newer coaster there, Ragin' Cajun, was really well themed and blended in well with the surroundings. It was a stock Zamperla spinning coaster, similar to Kennywood's Exterminator (which I had already ridden). We continued our trek through to the Yankee Harbor section. One of the few coasters I had ridden on our last visit, Vertical Velocity, was there. It too seemed a bit out-of-place in an otherwise well-themed area. We passed by a Whac-A-Mole game named Lumberjack Smack. We gave it a shot and Liz won a big fuzzy elephant. By then it was after noon, so we ducked into Angelo's Pizza and Pasta. No one named Angelo had anything to do with this cafeteria-style eatery. Like the rest of the Six Flags parks, the Papa John's Pizza chain had taken over many of the food service duties. The offerings looked pretty good. Karen got a salad, the girls got pizza and cheese sticks and I got pasta with marinara sauce. Our total outlay came to $52, a bit steep but expected in a Six Flags park. When I ordered my pasta, the guy behind the counter said, "Tell me when to stop." I'd never heard that before at any eatery, especially a park. He began heaping on the spaghetti. I told him to stop after two scoops. He then did the same for the sauce. The girls liked their large slices of pizza, which looked very appetizing, and their cheese sticks (which were like mini pizzas). And Karen's salad was good as well. Overall, even though it was a bit expensive, it was one of the tastiest meals we've had at a Six Flags park. Papa John's was a good choice. After that meal, we walked over to Logger's Run, a giant Arrow flume ride from 1976. The station was tucked back into a corner and was thankfully shaded. The ride had a turntable station. It appeared to have two separate troughs at some time in the past, but one of them was unused and completely dry. We decided to all go in one log, with me and Karen in the front and the girls in the back. That made the log front-heavy. We drifted out of the station and up a small lift hill. When we rolled down the other side and into the trough, the nose dove under the water and came back up, cascading gallons of water down over me. This happened on every drop -- and there were three of them. Strangely, my feet stayed completely dry. The log also clattered along noisily during the first part of the course, bottoming out and rolling along on its wheels. The final drop was a unique and fun double-dip that gave us a little air time. As at Lake Compounce, the final splashdown was augmented by water spraying up through the trough (not that we needed it). It was a long and enjoyable ride with an interesting layout. We passed by Vertical Velocity and the first-ever suspended looping coaster, Batman: The Ride. (What was Batman doing in Yankee Harbor?) As we rounded a corner, to our left was the Camp Cartoon Network with a Hanna-Barbera land at the back. Nearby was Bugs Bunny's National Park. Along with the DC characters, it was cartoon overload. I thought it odd to have so many different animation companies clumped together. But it did make a sort of de facto kiddie section in the park. We walked across a covered bridge into the County Fair section at the back of the park. The theming in that area felt loosely like an old midway, like a Luna Park or Coney Island. The music there was a strange mix of obscure New Wave tunes, including The Fixx's "Built for the Future." Iron Wolf, an old B&M stand-up coaster was there. It didn't quite fit in. Next to it was one of the two stations for the Scenic Railway, a big locomotive that appeared to be powered by propane. While we were waiting, the girls got some Italian Ice that was absurdly sweet. I opted for a Churro from a nearby cart. The attendant behaved as if she wished I hadn't bothered her with my order. The Churro looked to be a large cinammon stick or cruller costing $3.50. Some were filled with chocolate, some with cream. I got a plain one, not knowing what to expect. It turned out to be a dried-up lump of deep-fried funnel cake batter. It was really terrible. I took just two bites and then threw it away. My stomach didn't appreciate it.... The train ride was pleasantly long, making a circuit around the entire park. It traveled next to and through the structures of several rides and was accompanied by a recording pointing out various park landmarks. The train made a stop at a station behind the carousel, and then continued back toward County Fair. After that relaxing trip, Karen and I queued up for The American Eagle while the girls went off to play some more games. We loved the Eagle the last time we were at the park. At that time, one train ran backwards and one forwards. This time both were running forwards. The giant racing coaster built in 1981 had more wood in its helix than many coasters have over their entire structure. The queue was nearly empty. Four trains were running, but the operators were sending them off as they filled, rather than sending them together so they could "race." Since on our last trip we rode the blue train, this time we tried the red. The old-style 3-bench PTC trains were unusual because of the bizarre headrests on them, not only on the backs of the seats but on the sides as well. As always, Karen and I got in line for the front seat and within a few minutes were heading up the lift. The coaster briefly held records for the highest wooden lift (127 feet), longest drop (147 feet) and fastest speed (66 mph). But all records were meant to be broken, and the Eagle's stats are now just a footnote. I had heard that the track at the bottom of the first drop was retrofitted with steel I-beams. But I couldn't see any evidence of that. The ride itself was as much fun as I remembered it. The trim brakes weren't pulling as much. The train barreled through the giant helix and flew over the bunny hops back toward the station, delivering powerful air time. The only hard trim brake was entering the final low helix, which made it sort of an anti-climax. But overall the ride was still really enjoyable, and still was a joy to look at. When we met back up with the girls, Heather had won a big green cat. There was a band performing on the County Fair stage. The last time we were at the park it was a really good Mariachi band. This time it was a rather generic rock band doing covers of The Eagles (appropriate because of the coaster, I guess) and Jimmy Buffett. Nearby, the infamous Deja Vu, the coaster that bankrupted Vekoma, was running steadily. Six years ago, it didn't run at all. But the ride cycle times seemed extremely long, about five or six minutes. I had no interest in riding it. Instead we opted for the Great American Raceway, an antique car ride similar to Busch Gardens' now-gone LeMans Raceway. This version had two tracks, one of which appeared to have been closed long ago. As with most antique car rides, the line moved very slowly. As we approached the gate, one of the cars died. The attendants (there were four of them) spent quite a bit of time figuring out how to get it out of the way. They finally used two cars combined, like train engines, to push the car off the track. The course was pretty boring and surprisingly short. The track for the most part was enclosed by thick hedges on both sides. The girls wanted to take in a show. So we headed down to the Hometown Square area, the section of the park that really didn't have any theming. The arch at the entrance actually read, "Hometown Park." That made a bit more sense. The plaza at the center of Hometown Square was a wonderful burst of color, with lots of flowers, benches, a gazebo and a small elevated stage in front of the train station. The background music featured lots of early Beatles tunes. The Grand Music Hall was presenting "A Tribute to the Stars." Performers imitating Prince, Britney Spears, Madonna and Tina Turner presented some of their hits. I didn't have any interest in the show, so while the ladies relaxed in the theater I wandered the park taking in the sights. I was really glad to see that The Whizzer was still running, and still had a crowd lined up to ride it. The venerable Schwartzkopf ride, one of the last of its kind, had been threatened with demolition a few years back. I took a left alongside The Whizzer and headed into the Southwest Territory. This was the most thoroughly themed area in the entire park, complete with a king-sized recreation of the Alamo. I first headed for Viper, a slightly larger mirror image of the Coney Island Cyclone built in 1995. But I was greeted at the entrance by a plain white sign announcing that the ride was closed for the entire day. So I wandered deeper into the Southwest Territory, finally coming to the Demon, one of the best-themed coasters I've ever seen. It was a modified Arrow 4-inversion ride surrounded by fake rocks and caves. It blended in beautifully with the landscape. This coaster really should have been named Viper; it looked much more like a snake than the Cyclone knock-off. About the only eyesore in the area was the Southwest Territory Amphitheater. Although they did attempt to theme it by painting it and adding fake rocks, it still looked like a giant ugly metal building. I headed back to Hometown Square and met up with Karen and the girls. They said the show was okay, with the Tina Turner performer being the best. We were ready for some ice cream, so we stopped into Firehouse Pizza, another Papa John establishment that also served Edy's hard ice cream. Pizza was in a line to the left, and Edy's was to the right. So we got in the ice cream line behind three people. The workers behind the counter seemed confused about something. After about fifteen minutes of waiting, we were told that the cash register was broken and we'd have to place our order in the other line. I don't know why we couldn't just order there and pay at the other register. But we dutifully moved to the other line, in which about ten people were already waiting. After another long wait we placed our order. I went to the cash register to pay, and the clerk stood there smiling at me as he cracked open coin rolls into the cash drawer. One...two...three rolls of pennies. One...two rolls of nickles. One...two...three rolls of quarters. My ice cream started melting. Finally he was ready. He certainly had enough change. It was about $4.50 for each small cone. The ice cream was tasty. We headed back out onto the midway. The Looney Tunes trolley was passing by, so we followed it. As it got near the bridge by the Carousel Plaza, it stopped, the characters all disembarked and then launched into a dance to the pre-recorded tune of "Every Day's a Party at Six Flags." It was cute, but should the synthetic pop cry of, "Sylvester! Get down and party!" be the anthem of a chain trying to change its image into a family park? I didn't want to leave Great America without getting a ride on Superman, so we walked back to the Orleans section. The line had diminished, so I queued up. Karen and the girls both passed on it. The queue appeared short from the entrance but was deceptively long. Naturally, the park's Flash Pass system (which allowed guests to cut the line by forking over extra money) slowed things down a bit. But a good part of the queue line was shaded, which helped. There were cheesy plywood cutouts along the line illustrating various Superman characters. A guy behind me spent most of the wait repeatedly whistling or humming the Superman theme as it played over the PA system. One thing that struck me about the park was how polite all of the guests seemed to be. I never saw any line jumping or smoking (which was now against Six Flags policy). Everyone seemed to be quite civil. After about a half an hour, I had progressed to the station, which was placed about two stories above the ground. The stairs were split between the front car of the train, and all other seats. I'm not quite sure why the front would be so popular. Since I'm a front seat kind of guy, I lined up for it. But as I watched the coaster go through its motioned, I questioned myself. For one thing, B&M's trains were a bit strange. They were an attempt to better Vekoma's attempt at a flying coaster. With Vekoma's version, passengers were held in place while basically lying down facing backward. But on Superman, the trains were fairly standard B&M coaster seats. Right before the train would leave the station, though, the seats would rotate until the passengers were facing down. Looking forward to see where you were going was not an option, at least not a very comfortable one. Another thing I noticed was that the ride's loop was essentially upside down. Normally, a loop would be entered at the bottom. The smallest part of the loop would be at the top, when the train had lost momentum. The positive G forces would be minimal at that point. But on Superman, the train entered the loop at the top, when it was slowest. With the apex of the loop actually on the ground, the tightest turn was taken at the fastest speed. The G forces would be tremendous. It was amusing to hear the screams of the passengers when the seats tilted down. Everyone standing in line could see it happen. The mechanism was pretty clever and surprisingly simple. But when I finally sat in the comfortable seats and experienced it for myself, I understood the reaction. The over-the-shoulder harnesses on the ride actually didn't touch my body at all. I was held in place by two comfortable foam-filled straps. My feet trailed behind me and my ankles were locked between two comfortable restraints. But when the seats rotated, it just felt very unnatural. Even though I was thoroughly restrained, it felt like I was going to fall flat down onto the station deck. As we clattered up the lift, I noticed the mechanism to get people off the lift in case of an emergency. It would have ruined the effect to have passengers staring down at a stair unit as they ascended the lift, so instead there was a moveable platform with a raiseable fence that could roll up under the train when needed. It was an odd feeling, staring down at the grass as we crested the lift. I kept wanting to raise my head, to see what was in front of me. But it just wasn't possible. We turned right off the lift, plunging down to the ground. Then we rose up to the top of the next hill, slowing slightly, then dove down into the loop. My head felt like it was getting squeezed. The pressure wasn't as bad as my ride on Kennywood's old Steel Phantom, where I blacked out in the loop. But the positive Gs were pretty extreme. We came out of the loop and whipped around the rest of the course in typically convoluted B&M fashion. The final barrel roll was good. The brakes were really smooth. The ride was really short. When we were finally back in the station and the seats righted themselves, I could feel the blood rush out of my head. It felt good to get back on solid ground again. Overall, I'm glad I rode Superman, but I wouldn't do it again. The experience didn't match my expectations. It didn't feel like flying. Superman: Ride of Steel at Six Flags New England gives a much better feeling of flight -- and it's a standard sit-down coaster. Ultimate Flight felt like...well...a coaster with the seats tipped down. I think it would have been much more enjoyable without the "flying" gimmick. By then it was after six o'clock. A lot of guests had already left. We decided to leave too. I think Six Flags has a real gem with this park. It was beautiful, with lots of attention to detail from the ornate iron trellises in the Orleans section to the ox skull in the Southwest Territory. But the park, like the chain, was having an identity crisis. Was it a family park, like Disney? Was it a teen thrill park, the kind Six Flags developed under the old management? Was it a theme park in the tradition of Busch Gardens Williamsburg? Or was it more like Cedar Point, a traditional midway? Evidently most people didn't seem to care at all about the answer to those questions. They seemed to just be having a good time. The park can draw from a huge population base -- Chicago and Milwaukee. No other competition exists within easy reach of that market. So perhaps that's all the park will need. Now that we've been to the park for a second time, we don't feel a great need to return. We saw all we wanted to see and did all we wanted to do. American Eagle was fun, as was Raging Bull (which we avoided on this trip since last time it had a 3 hour wait). But those two coasters wouldn't bring us back. We would return to Busch Gardens time and time again, even if there were no new rides at the park. Canobie Lake, Knoebel's -- there are so many places that we'd go out of our way for. Why not Six Flags Great America? The park was clean, but not overly so. There was a charm to it. But there was something about it that felt haphazard, like a bulletin board in the kitchen that keeps accruing more and more tacked-up notes until everything is obscured. At Busch, everything in the park felt as if it belonged there. At Six Flags, it felt more like the park bought a ride and dropped it down wherever there was room. The vestiges of the "old" Great America didn't feel that way, like the flume and the Demon and the theming in some of the sections. But as I wondered before, what was Batman doing in Yankee Harbor? It's that kind of obliviousness to details that kept me from regarding Six Flags as a truly world-class park. When they get it right, as with the DC Comics and Crackaxle Canyon areas of Six Flags New England, it can be truly wonderful. But then they allow some areas to go carelessly unthemed, or worse add elements that ruin the theme. Mark Shapiro, Six Flags' CEO, said he wanted the chain to emulate Disney. Perhaps a more realistic goal would be to emulate Busch Gardens. Great America is about half-way there. But there was still a lot of work that needed to be done. I agreed with his assessment that roller coasters acted "like a drug" for the chain. But what will it take to reform the addict? For us, it didn't cost a lot to get in the park. But for guests paying full price, would they have $65 worth of fun at Great America? When I was a kid, my parents brought me to parks to let me run wild. They would relax in a picnic grove for free with a lunch they brought, and they'd buy me ride tickets to keep me occupied. A family outing there would cost them very little. And those parks survived just fine. But what could a parent do today? I guess they could get a package of season passes, if they could afford it. But if an average family wanted to go to Six Flags just for a day, it would cost close to a week's salary for many people. And the extreme pricing of food and drinks wouldn't help. (Yeah, the food was a bit better this time -- but not $52 worth of better.) As I said, all these thoughts didn't seem to enter the minds of the thousands of guests we saw at Great America that day. The outlook for the park might be very good indeed. I think Shapiro is steering in the right direction. There just seems to be so much work left to do in order to fulfill his vision. I hope Six Flags, a Titanic-sized amusement company, can steer quickly enough to avoid any icebergs that may be floating in its path. Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 10:38:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2872 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 17:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 17:37:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:37:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: TN woman thrown from amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HwhVdGP_Zk5CZfuR-qM8yGSWNEXSKFe-EmXGPSblT-ofTH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 30, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS Knoxville News Sentinel http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national/article/0,1406,KNS_350_4881875,00 .html HOT SPRINGS, Ark. =97- A Tennessee woman was in stable condition after=20 she fell from an amusement park roller coaster in Arkansas, officials=20 said. Felicia Robinson, 45, of Memphis fell about 15' from the Magic=20 Springs & Crystal Falls ride called Twist and Shout=20=20 http://rcdb.com/ig723.htm?picture=3D4 on Saturday afternoon, police=20 said. Centrifugal force pushed Robinson out of the car as the ride came=20 around a curve, officials said. Magic Springs officials said Robinson fell about 10', and they said=20 the rides are safe. The accident was the first since the park reopened under new=20 ownership in 2000, GM Jackie Arrison said. Rides are inspected each day before the park opens, according to=20 officials. The Twist and Shout was inspected Saturday morning and was=20 found to be in good operating condition, Arrison said. Park officials said the Arkansas Department of Labor would inspect=20 the ride before the ride would be reopened. ------- Copyright 2006, Associated Press =A9 2006 - Knoxville News Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 10:46:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29683 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 17:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 17:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 17:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 17:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 17:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 17:42:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:42:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Boardwalk seeks old home movies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cPvzubA0un5dozKFxCkFCl9B2fKs19MSKJXTcuKLYHoeQCM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 30, 2006=20 Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/July/30/local/stories/11 local.htm Santa Cruz, CA -- In preparation for Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk's 100=20 birthday in 2007, the amusement park is asking for any pre-1970 home=20 movies with Boardwalk footage for a celebration DVD. The production company requests home movies that show the Boardwalk=20 filmed from the Santa Cruz Main Beach or Beach Street. Films=20 featuring family members enjoying the rides are also desired. The Boardwalk will provide 4 free unlimited ride passes for all=20 footage pre-1970 even if the clips are not used in the DVD. If a home movie is used in the DVD production, the family who=20 submitted the clips will receive film credit and a free copy of the=20 DVD in addition to the free ride passes, according to Boardwalk=20 publicist Brigid Fuller. Send an e-mail describing the approximate year, format, and content=20 of home movie to: ads@scseaside.com. The Boardwalk will send you=20 shipping instructions, and will also make a duplicate of your film or=20 photographs and return the original.Contact Sondra Woods at 460-3376=20 ext. 2418. ----------- =A9 1999-2006 Santa Cruz Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 11:06:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33061 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 18:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 18:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 18:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 18:00:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 18:00:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:00:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OBITUARY: Earl W. Gascoigne, was leader of Geauga Lake Park restoration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KIA2yuZBRT-XgtA8xUHqyBZIYksG_Vm268GHf-tOJnPX4Jc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 29, 2006 The Plain Dealer http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1154161 819182370.xml&coll=3D2 by Richard M. Peery Plain Dealer Reporter Deland, FL -- Earl W. Gascoigne, who led the restoration of Geauga=20 Lake Park, died Sunday at Florida Hospital Deland. Gascoigne, a resident of Deland, Fla., for 15 years, was 79 years old. Gascoigne was president of Funtime, Inc., a group that bought the=20 crumbling amusement park in 1968. Over the next decade, at tendance=20 climbed from 250,000 a year to 870,000 as net income rose from=20 $39,000 to $1,143,000. The park nearly doubled in size. Gascoigne was born in Lorain. He attended Miami University and earned=20 a master's degree at Kent State University. He was teaching business at Mount Union College when he took a summer=20 job at Cedar Point as a liaison between management and the seasonal=20 help. That worked out so well that he was offered the general=20 manager's position for the amusement park's Breakers Hotel. He told the college that the fall semester would be his last in the=20 classroom and started his permanent career in amusement in 1963. 2=20 years later, he was promoted to marketing director for CP. Gascoigne said he was happy at CP but jumped at the chance to have=20 his own park when he heard Geauga Lake Park was for sale. With CP associates Gasper Lococo, M.P. Jacobson & Dale Van Voorhis,=20 he formed Funtime, Inc. and raised money to purchase GL. They tore down old, rotting wooden buildings, covered the midways=20 with asphalt and installed new rides. Gascoigne retired from GL in 1982. The park is now owned by CP's parent company, Cedar Fair, and is=20 known as GL and Wildwater Kingdom. In retirement, Gascoigne moved from Hudson and formed a partnership=20 to operate arcade games at an amusement park in Thorntown, Ind. He was president of the IAAPA in 1985. Gascoigne moved in 1990 to Deland, Fl., where he became the owner of=20 a number of race horses. Earl Gascoigne 1927 -- 2006 Survivors: wife, Ava; a son, Jim of Arlington, Mass.; a daughter, Jan=20 of Denver; and 3 grandchildren. Contributions: American Cancer Society; Journey's End Animal=20 Sanctuary, P.O. Box 220163, Glenwood, Fla. 32722. Arrangements: Deltona Memorial Funeral Home, Orange City, Fla. ---------- =A9 2006 The Plain Dealer =A9 2006 cleveland.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 11:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8546 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 18:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 18:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 18:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 18:48:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:48:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=N0iurtXTNNxV8CajtLR2gQf4bR43i80VHWpXk2wQsLw2BFM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/27/06 Associated Press KTRK TV http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=3Dnation_world&id=3D4406341 ALTOONA, IA -- A board used by an amusement park's maintenance=20 inspectors fell onto a roller coaster car, sending an 11-y.o. girl to=20 the hospital, officials said. No medical information about the girl was released following Monday's=20 accident on the Tornado ride at the Adventureland amusement park in=20 suburban Des Moines, park spokewoman Molly Vincent said. 2 other=20 people had minor injuries, officials said. The wood was left behind near the tracks after a routine check,=20 Vincent said. No structural problems were found on the ride, and the state will not=20 take any action against Adventureland or its inspectors, said Kerry=20 Koonce, a spokeswoman for Iowa Workforce Development, which oversees=20 amusement park rides. ------------ Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press =A92006 ABC Inc., KTRK-TV Houston From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 01 04:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44088 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.217] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G7sCs-0005Yt-Ap for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: <44CF37A0.5000606@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:14:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784c5237a09956e405771ce68bf74e30063a62f3e63254f0c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8Wtk3GedC3x7_jByTGQ6C6IOUhd7fW8wO_1isp3UIk2IMvM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or 8/20? i > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > I'll have to wait and see what my work schedule is like, but if I end up with a day or two off in there, I'm more than open to meeting up. I"m overdue for another visit to BGT. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Aug 01 05:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26890 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 12:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 12:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 12:08:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 12:05:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 12:05:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:05:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.131.11.177 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=mVbSqZIXtqHvAuly7QUphDw8vhUBuO6TwBq_a-FQhHDPCn4dfFLJXCk X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 7/27/06 > Associated Press > KTRK TV > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=3Dnation_world&id=3D4406341 >=20 > ALTOONA, IA -- A board used by an amusement park's maintenance=20 > inspectors fell onto a roller coaster car, sending an 11-y.o. girl to=20 > the hospital, officials said. >=20 Must have fallen with a lot of force to send her to hospital then.... From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Aug 01 05:45:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39434 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 12:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 12:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 12:42:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 12:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 12:41:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:41:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44CF37A0.5000606@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=3ZA0rSP8_5RE67xnxVU6tcSqCam0PuHC2ZvVw5V5VC8p6CMJveC--DqY2A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Doug Nelson wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or=20 8/20? i > > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a > > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > >=20 >=20 > I'll have to wait and see what my work schedule is like, but if I=20 end up=20 > with a day or two off in there, I'm more than open to meeting up.=20=20 I"m=20 > overdue for another visit to BGT. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George excellent. just keep me up to date, im flexible and can go any time=20 on those days.=20 From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Aug 01 07:20:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51828 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.192) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:19:26 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so511548wxc for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.185.7 with SMTP id i7mr307712huf; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30608010718w2cef5c68w7783fdfc774d9237@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:18:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=NaTQT3PAjY78XTJmHYIY2JNp5sJu92K8C3MqAawEPlidJiu1 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons This article shows a photo of the girl. Quite banged up. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060729/NEWS08/607290358&SearchID=73252130284347 On 8/1/06, daniel_roachus wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > > > 7/27/06 > > Associated Press > > KTRK TV > > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=4406341 > > > > ALTOONA, IA -- A board used by an amusement park's maintenance > > inspectors fell onto a roller coaster car, sending an 11-y.o. girl to > > the hospital, officials said. > > > > Must have fallen with a lot of force to send her to hospital then.... > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Aug 01 07:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40815 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-47.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:28:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23121 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2006 14:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:28:43 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G7vEh-0003Tr-DK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:28:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30608010718w2cef5c68w7783fdfc774d9237@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30608010718w2cef5c68w7783fdfc774d9237@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:32:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=Vf49hKRflZeXjHHwyiLovhFzZAYXncsUOB1oIgSw_BBwFkB0hd_a X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> ALTOONA, IA -- A board used by an amusement park's maintenance >>> inspectors fell onto a roller coaster car, sending an 11-y.o. >>> girl to >>> the hospital, officials said. >> >> Must have fallen with a lot of force to send her to hospital then.... > This article shows a photo of the girl. Quite banged up. > http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ > 20060729/NEWS08/607290358&SearchID=73252130284347 How can they not call an ambulance with an injury like that? Did they just drive her to the hospital? A broken arm I can see not calling an ambulance... but getting hit in the head with a board and having a huge gash on the side of her head? That's pretty bad... I can't imagine them not getting sued pretty hard because of that, and if that's what happened, they probably deserve it. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 07:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2901 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:31:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:31:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Trancas Capital Becomes Second Largest Operator of Local Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r9tXklC043qlg7nmNwk7OrSZ0Zm_2_fHlKPc-cLB5F7n00Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2006 Yahoo! Finance Business Wire Press Release Source: Trancas Capital http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060801/20060801005036.html?.v=3D1 ALISO VIEJO, CA. -- Trancas Capital, a leading acquirer and operator=20 of amusement properties in the US, has completed the acquisition of 2=20 additional family entertainment centers: Camelot Park in Bakersfield,=20 Ca., and Mountasia Family Fun Center in North Richland Hills, Tx. The=20 additions extend TC's presence to the Southern California and the=20 Dallas-Forth Worth markets and expand TC's portfolio to 12 locations=20 in 6 states, making TC the 2cond largest operator of local amusement=20 parks in the country. "Trancas has quickly become a leader in the family entertainment=20 industry, but we're not stopping here," said TC's CEO Doug=20 Honey. "We're always on the lookout for more park acquisitions so we=20 can continue to build upon the solid foundation we currently have. We=20 seek good parks that will generate healthy cash flows and returns,=20 and our experience operating on a national basis means we will look=20 at parks anywhere in the country." TC and its operating subsidiary, Zuma Fun Centers, now manage parks=20 under the Camelot Park, Mountasia Family Fun Center, Fiddlesticks,=20 Funtasticks and Zuma Fun Center brand names. For more information on=20 these locations, visit http://www.zumafuncenters.com. About Trancas Capital (www.trancascapital.com) Founded in 2003, TC owns and operates family entertainment properties=20 nationwide. Over the next year, TC plans an additional $50-$100=20 million in acquisitions of amusement properties. For a list of recent=20 acquisitions, visit http://www.trancascapital.com/portfolio.html. --------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 07:45:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71016 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:42:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:40:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:40:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:40:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:40:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair's Summertime Blues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eJd_jBgStXtxHmYaH4WwyOHn5v3nIhbEa-wsm3mVl2JHS0o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2006 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2006/mft06080103.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Sandusky, OH -- Blue Streak isn't just one of the oldest rides at=20 Cedar Fair's flagship Cedar Point amusement park. After last night's=20 2nd quarter report that found the regional operator coming up short=20 for the 4th time over the past 5 quarters, investors are coping with=20 a different kind of blue streak. Sluggish attendance at several key parks found the top and bottom=20 line dipping at a time when analysts figured the company would be=20 taking steps in the right direction. Net revenues dipped 2% during=20 the June quarter to hit $145.4 million. Profits per unit fell from=20 $0.22 to $0.20. Wall Street was looking for earnings to check in at=20 $0.30 a unit on a 4% uptick in net revenues. It's a problem. CF figured that the best way to combat last year's=20 flat performance was to decrease admission prices at many of its key=20 parks like CP and Knott's Berry Farm. It also came up with a novel=20 gimmick of selling sticks of cotton candy for a quarter. The easy assumption was that attendance was going to spike at the=20 parks but per-capita spending would suffer. That logic has been=20 flawed on both counts. Through the end of July - a month deeper into=20 the telltale summer season - attendance has fallen by 2% throughout=20 its parks but in-park spending is only down less than 1%. KBF has held up better than CP. It joins Worlds of Fun as the 2 CF=20 parks that improved during the period, even if a lot of the gains at=20 KBF are due to the conversion of a Radisson hotel adjacent to the=20 park into a park-branded resort. CF is going to be even harder to figure now that the $1.24 billion=20 acquisition of the Paramount Parks chains from CBS was completed the=20 day that the 2nd quarter came to a close. There are synergies worth=20 tapping into and opportunities worth unlocking even though the more=20 likely scenario is that the favorable impacts of the merger won't=20 materialize until the 2007 operating season. We have Six Flags set to report later this week. It will provide an=20 interesting contrast, as 6F chose to raise prices in order to=20 subsidize experience improvements at the park level. These are challenging times for CF. The units haven't traded this low=20 since the summer of 2003. Helping offset the malaise is the juicy=20 7.4% yield. That may help soften the blow but maintaining the=20 generous payout ratio that investors have come to expect out of CF is=20 going to be a real challenge if the company's finances don't improve. Next year should be better. For starters, CP will finally get a new=20 marquee coaster to market. Another kicker waiting to happen is for=20 margins at the Paramount Parks chain to begin approaching the=20 historical CF metrics. Yes, there's plenty of upside in 2007 but even=20 with so much of the current season yet to play itself out, 2006 is=20 shaping up to be a wash. --------- =A91995-2006 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 07:55:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72692 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:54:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:53:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:53:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:53:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Rumor: An amusement park in Grayling? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JvNyAL9B3ExpE0TSz4HTuRTNf71sG44FI_a0aZVHaWKX0Pk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 30, 2006 Bay City Times Michigan Live http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news- 7/115425455251820.xml&coll=3D4 By ERIC ENGLISH GRAYLING, MI -- A Michigan company wants to turn 1,800 acres of state- owned land near Grayling into a $160 million family theme park called=20 Main Street USA. The Rochester-based firm, called Axiom Entertainment, is meeting with=20 state officials behind closed doors to hammer out details of the=20 proposed project. Company and state officials declined to comment on=20 the plan. But records obtained by The Times through the Freedom of Information=20 Act show AE officials have been discussing the project in Lansing=20 with state leaders, including Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm. Heidi Watson, Granholm's deputy press secretary, said the governor's=20 office doesn't discuss ongoing business negotiations. She declined to=20 comment on AE's proposed plans. A spokeswoman for AE, who asked not=20 to be identified, also declined to comment for this story. But paperwork received from the Michigan Department of Natural=20 Resources shows AE is interested in acquiring about 1,800 acres of=20 wooded DNR property just south of Grayling and along I-75 that is=20 available for industrial or commercial development. Documents show the company wants to use the land to construct a theme=20 park that would employ up to 2,000 people seasonally and 700 year- round. It could draw up to 1.7 million visitors a year. It isn't clear what "theme" the development would adopt, since a=20 formal business plan isn't included in the DNR documents. The=20 paperwork includes hand-written notes, a meeting agenda, a letter of=20 intent to sell property and e-mails from a variety of state officials=20 concerning AE's plans. Yet if the giant project becomes a reality, it could link Grayling's=20 name with "Main Street USA" in the same way Sandusky means Cedar=20 Point and Muskegon is associated with the Michigan's Adventure=20 amusement park. For now, though, people involved in the process aren't talking. "I've=20 heard all the rumors and that's all that I can say," said Gaila=20 Gilliland, director of the Crawford County Economic Development=20 Partnership, an agency that markets the area to new business. Rumors are flying, questions remain While no one is making any formal announcements, that hasn't kept=20 people in the Grayling area from talking about the theme park. It's=20 been a topic of conversation for weeks. "It's the rumor of the=20 township right now,"' said Grayling Township Supervisor Terry=20 Wright. "We're hearing all this and don't know what's true and what's=20 not true." The idea of such a huge development in Crawford County is fueling=20 speculation about how it might transform the region. CP, for example, drew 3.1 million visitors last year to Erie County,=20 OH. The Erie County Visitor's Bureau estimates the county sees about=20 8 million tourists a year for attractions that include the amusement=20 park, nearby Lake Erie Islands and the area's public beaches. A report commissioned by the Ohio tourism bureau showed travelers=20 spent about $1.5 billion in Erie County in 2004. Closer to home, the MA park near Muskegon reported a record year for=20 attendance in 2005, with 550,000 visitors, according to The Muskegon=20 Chronicle. In Grayling, there's cautious excitement about the prospect of such=20 an influx of people. "I was just sitting at a customer's house the=20 other day and he was saying they are going to build a big theme park,=20 and (land) prices are going to double," said Dennis McDonald, owner=20 of Re/Max of Higgins Lake, who sells property near Grayling. "My feeling on anything like this is to treat it with a healthy dose=20 of skepticism," McDonald said Tuesday. There are some stumbling blocks to any potential development of the=20 Crawford County DNR property, which fronts Four Mile Road south of=20 Grayling. One problem is that the site lacks municipal sewer and=20 water service. Wright said the property has been on the market for development for=20 the past 5 years and has had some businesses interested in it, but=20 hasn't had any takers. But according to a June 13 letter of intent signed by David E. Freed,=20 chief of land and facilities for the DNR, AE is working to secure a 2- year option to purchase the DNR land near Grayling available for=20 development. The letter states that the land sale is contingent on a minimum 30- day public review of AE's plans, approval by local government and=20 review by the Michigan Natural Resources Commission. AE also is seeking $25 million in help from the state for=20 infrastructure improvements to the site, according to a March 30=20 agenda of discussion items for a meeting in Lansing with James C.=20 Epolito, president of the Michigan Economic Development Corp. The company would also need the state to improve the I-75 interchange=20 with Four Mile Road, and to possibly create a separate exit out of=20 the park through the state rest area on the freeway, the agenda notes. Who's behind the plan None of the documents obtained by The Times indicates anything about=20 the background of AE or its apparent owner, Patrick R. Crosson. The Times also did not find any information about the company or=20 Crosson through Internet searches of those names. However, the March 30 meeting agenda with MEDC indicates that AE is=20 proposing a partnership with 2 companies involved in theme-park=20 development: Rock and Waterscape International and Jack Rouse=20 Associates.=20 RWIe builds artificial rock and coral structures, according to the=20 company's Web site. Its clients include the outdoor retailer Cabela's=20 and the Las Vegas casino resort Wynn Las Vegas. JRA is a worldwide theme-park developer whose current projects=20 include a 500,000-sq-ft dinosaur-based theme park in Dubai, United=20 Arab Emirates, and a theme park that is set to open in the port city=20 of Ningbo, China, according to that company's Web site. Whether or not a theme park ever breaks ground in Crawford County,=20 the question remains: Are the 9,000 people who live in and around the=20 community of Grayling ready for such a large-scale development? The=20 area's historic tourism draws are trout fishing, canoeing and seeing=20 the big trees at Hartwick Pines State Park. Steve Southard, owner of the landmark Fly Factory fishing store on=20 the banks of the Au Sable in Grayling, feels the town is ready for a=20 change. "Grayling needs something, because we have an inadequate=20 economic base," Southard said. "I would like to see something maybe=20 not that large, but it's better than a smokestack industry." -------- =A92006 Bay City Times =A9 2006 Michigan Live From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 08:00:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12471 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 14:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 14:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 14:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:59:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 14:59:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:59:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Popular Water Ride Closed Because Of Injury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xS32ynAl6072roBOwQ8dXWtFNVw32DvJvXx9_0h6ftodQeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 31, 2006 NBC13.com http://www.nbc13.com/news/9604510/detail.html?rss=3Dbir&psp=3Dnews BESSEMER, Ala. -- A popular water ride at Alabama Adventure has been=20 closed for two weeks. The amusement park's GM said someone hit their head at the bottom of=20 the Acapulco Drop 2 weeks ago and required stitches. Now crews are=20 checking the ride. Officials said it could reopen after more safety reviews are completed. ---------- Copyright 2006 by NBC13.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 08:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89938 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 15:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 15:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.83) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 15:08:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27599 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2006 15:08:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060801150837.27597.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:08:37 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=sjusBp3R2PFvYFAeUz1CXVcae_XTY3_eXZ2sto3VJDq3b7OHlWwZ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >>>>"Every Day's a Party at Six Flags." It was cute, but should the synthetic pop cry of, "Sylvester! Get down and party!" be the anthem of a chain trying to change its image into a family park? Remember Birthday parties? Holiday parties? Bar mitvah's? There are more than one type of "family friendly" party. As long as Sylvesters not funnelling a beer bong I think it's okay... >>>>One thing that struck me about the park was how polite all of the guests seemed to be. I never saw any line jumping or smoking (which was now against Six Flags policy). Everyone seemed to be quite civil. Wow! certainly different from my last visits. This park to me has always been one of the worst offenders in the line jumping area. They even went to a numbered ticket system at one point. Good to hear! >>>>But when the seats rotated, it just felt very unnatural. Even though I was thoroughly restrained, it felt like I was going to fall flat down onto the station deck. I never liked this either. I'm tired of this position halfway up the lift, which makes the ride itself all the more uncomfortable. And god forbid there's a problem in the station when you return, or you'll sit on the brakes uncomfortable, looking at 2 weeks worth of spit below you. >>>>Ultimate Flight felt like...well...a coaster with the seats tipped down. I think it would have been much more enjoyable without the "flying" gimmick. I'm tired of flying coasters and if I never have to ride another one, that's fine by me. I really enjoyed Stealth when it opened because it was new and diferent, but novelty wore off soon. It's a good fit for a major theme park though for that exact reason, it's new and exciting and different. Now here's where I go on my little soapbox. Jay, this is not directed at you, you just happen to be the example I'm using, so no offense intended. >>>>I'm not sure how Superman fit into the New Orleans theming. There wasn't even an attempt to make it fit. >>>>Vertical Velocity, was there. It too seemed a bit out-of-place in an otherwise well-themed area. >>>>Batman: The Ride. (What was Batman doing in Yankee Harbor?) Why do people get so bent out of shape about this at a SF or CF park? Would you rather they not built the rides at all because they couldn't get them to fit with the precious themeing? The only parks that truely take this to heart are Disney, Universal, and maybe Busch, but when was the last time DL or WDW built a brand new coaster? (new Space Mt doesn't count) IOA hasn't had one since it opened. Is that what you want at your local SF? Of course the flying coaster would be named Superman, it would be stupid to name a flying coaster anything else when that name is available. Remember it was originally slated to take the Whizzer's footprint. Maybe the Superman theme would have fit in better over there, but I for one am glad that didn't happen. I love Whizzer. People expect a fantasy world when they enter a Disney park, and they pay dearly for it. (yeah, I know, SF prices...) But take a look at the clientelle next time your at a SF park. Most are just locals looking for an entertaining day of riding ride rides and could really care less. Jay says it again: >>>>But the park, like the chain, was having an identity crisis. Then answers his own question: >>>>Evidently most people didn't seem to care at all about the answer to those questions. My opinion: this is what happens to the large park after so many ownership changes, growth expansions, etc. I, like others on here, still consder SFGram to be the best park in the SF chain. And one of my favorite parks overall. I'm a little upset about losing the ivy tunnel, but if that's the price I gotta pay for having Viper and Raging bull, then so be it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 01 08:25:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23710 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 15:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 15:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 15:25:47 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k71FOeDA017486 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:24:40 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:24:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060801150837.27597.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801150837.27597.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91DD6373-0732-479F-B791-5D1672B84509@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:24:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 15:24:40.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B643420:01C6B57E] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WNVvebACVYurUm_VlQkUdhh04M-EmH4iJyXipaYnWKdIQPtx X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, I'm a bit tired of flying coasters too .. in fact I think they're my least favorite. I had previously thought that maybe I just hadn't ridden any that were very good (Superman, and Stealth/Borg), but even Air at Alton Towers left me totally flat. I would like to try Tatsu, though .. people seem to rave about this. Anyway .. >>>>> I'm not sure how Superman fit into the New Orleans > theming. There wasn't even an attempt to make it fit. > >>>>> Vertical Velocity, was there. It too seemed a bit > out-of-place in an otherwise well-themed area. > >>>>> Batman: The Ride. (What was Batman doing in Yankee > Harbor?) > > Why do people get so bent out of shape about this at a > SF or CF park? Would you rather they not built the > rides at all because they couldn't get them to fit > with the precious themeing? Actually, i think the thought is more along the lines of theming (or at least naming) the rides something that fits in. For example, Vertical Velocity could have been called something like "Water Spout", and be blue instead of yellow. I'm sure Superman could have been named something more suitable to New Orleans, too. Neither of these rides are really themed (other than name/paint), so selecting something more appropriate is certainly a viable option. My worry is that this will get much worse under Shapiro .. I get the impression that he really wants to "genericize" the whole chain. I think we'll see more name reuse, and possibly even entire areas re- themed. It's nice that each park is its own entity with distinct personalities (good or bad), and it would be a real shame if Shapiro does the Cedar Fair thing and makes all the parks dull, boring and lifeless. Back to the topic at hand though, I found Jay's comments about Demon a little odd: > At Six Flags, it felt more like the park bought a ride and dropped > it down wherever there was room. The vestiges of the "old" Great > America didn't feel that way, like the flume and the Demon and the > theming in some of the sections. How does Demon fit in to Hometown Square?! :) I really did enjoy Jay's trip report a great deal .. Six Flags Great America is my home park, and I'll admit that I'm a total fan-boy. In fact I actually enjoy the slightly negative trip reports more than the ones that just say "AWESOME!!! AWESOME!!! AWESOME!!!" over and over again .. especially when they're written as well as Jay's was. (For the record, the same is true of the pinball machines I worked on .. I prefer to hear what people don't like about them.). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 01 09:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5366 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k71GDfv6020964 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:13:41 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:13:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:13:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 16:13:41.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[74610130:01C6B585] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Honest article on ride accidents.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hMBfsUbrdUVp_6_5xwj0Jr-uyYYRq6-Exh6MPNDlV8tbJ2h6 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey all, Well it hasn't been a great summer .. but finally there's an article that puts it in a realistic light: http://tinyurl.com/grze2 Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Keep this frequency * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** clear. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Aug 01 09:22:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18735 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 16:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 16:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 16:18:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13458 invoked by uid 99); 1 Aug 2006 15:55:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20060801155553.13457.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 1 Aug 2006 10:55:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Was: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=ofpgEQit3jjNj6fTITocqbSsbor1GjQ_c-5xVmZCXSo6wXkI X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I almost agree with Brian on both of these points. Of the seven Six Flags parks I have visited, I believe that SFFT is a better park--much better shows, better operations staff and almost better in terms of rides and overall park features. Based on my four visits to SFGAm this year, the improvement in operations has been very noticable. If this is the start of a trend for all SF parks, I believe that in a few years, the operations could be back to what they used to be. I still do not see why the park had to permanently remove the ivy tunnel. IMHO, there was plenty of room to put it back after the DejaVu was completed. Dave > My opinion: this is what happens to the large park > after so many ownership changes, growth expansions, > etc. I, like others on here, still consder SFGram to > be the best park in the SF chain. And one of my > favorite parks overall. I'm a little upset about > losing the ivy tunnel, but if that's the price I gotta > pay for having Viper and Raging bull, then so be it. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 09:49:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9213 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 16:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 16:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54215.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.48) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 16:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 64618 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2006 16:47:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060801164754.64616.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.27] by web54215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:47:54 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Honest article on ride accidents.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=jbywABSOnN9fAzLE1qRwJm23Snmc6EYD1n7G5x5d8v5CDddww0xbYYT9NYREbWjg X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't agree more. I have several friends that every time one of these "stories" about someone getting hurt on an amusement park ride comes around they start asking me "how can you ride those things?" Like a good little coaster enthusiast I reply that "they have a better chance dying in their car than I do an a roller coaster. Nothing makes me more upset than when these stories make out the ride to be the reason for the accident. I know in some cases this is true, but more often than not it is due to something that the person did that causes the problem. It can also be the fact that some people don't pay attention to the warnings about heart problems and other ailments that are posted in plain site for everyone to see. We have become a society of people that unless the warnings cover every convievable threat we feel that if something goes wrong it has to be someone or something elses fault and not ours. I have been riding coasters now for almost thirty years and have never gotten hurt on any coaster(or ride of any kind). I think it is time for us as enthusiasts as well as the parks and ride manufacturers to stand up an do something about making people understand that these accidents are no more extraordinary than getting rear ended at a traffic light. Wiley Cameron Silver wrote: Hey all, Well it hasn't been a great summer .. but finally there's an article that puts it in a realistic light: http://tinyurl.com/grze2 Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Keep this frequency * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** clear. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Aug 01 10:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75538 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 17:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 17:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-23.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23015 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2006 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G7xlQ-0005Pv-RC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:10:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060801164754.64616.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060801164754.64616.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28D48D2B-0D4E-4D1D-9E1A-32D01D4CF588@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:14:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.103.189.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Honest article on ride accidents.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=L_lLbFHMsXyA4-iGrL3vJgp4JCTRGNwZHREdhcypD8_WhcjdKHpw X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Well it hasn't been a great summer .. but finally there's an article > that puts it in a realistic light: > I couldn't agree more. I have several friends that every time > one of these "stories" about someone getting hurt on an amusement > park ride comes around they start asking me "how can you ride those > things?" Like a good little coaster enthusiast I reply that "they > have a better chance dying in their car than I do an a roller coaster. > Nothing makes me more upset than when these stories make out > the ride to be the reason for the accident. What you describe though isn't just limited to coasters, it's the same in a lot of other aspects of our culture.... where flashy stories come out front, and science takes the back seat. Scientists and engineers generally tend to state only the facts, while politicians and the media don't really care because they're not the ones that have to face the repercussions when something messes up. An engineer can't sit there and tell you that a roller coaster is 100% safe, because it's not true... there's always probability of failure, like any machine, it's just really small. But people seem to jump on it and go AHA! I KNEW IT! and take the statements all out of context, just because their intuition tells them something different. Just out of curiosity... does anyone .. cough Chris B cough.. know if Japan or other European countries are the same way? Or is it just the US like this, where intuition and scariness seems to win out over everything. Japan's whole culture seems to have a larger interest in science than the US, which is why I'd be curious to see if they're any different. Mike From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Aug 01 10:20:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45522 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 17:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 17:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-09.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 1850 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2006 17:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:20:04 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G7xuW-0000kr-HE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:20:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <28D48D2B-0D4E-4D1D-9E1A-32D01D4CF588@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <20060801164754.64616.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com> <28D48D2B-0D4E-4D1D-9E1A-32D01D4CF588@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <58926048-638F-4659-8F8D-439EA5D578F0@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:24:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.138.240.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Honest article on ride accidents.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=EaH22BF8aqht1sMaCdkBOR0kTk_5aElOtRkheTt32MEsuj12a-hI X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Err, yes, I meant I agree with you... said the same exact thing as you & the article basically... haha. Mike On Aug 1, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Mike wrote: >> Well it hasn't been a great summer .. but finally there's an article >> that puts it in a realistic light: >> > > >> I couldn't agree more. I have several friends that every >> time one of these "stories" about someone getting hurt on an >> amusement park ride comes around they start asking me "how can you >> ride those things?" Like a good little coaster enthusiast I reply >> that "they have a better chance dying in their car than I do an a >> roller coaster. >> Nothing makes me more upset than when these stories make >> out the ride to be the reason for the accident. >> > > What you describe though isn't just limited to coasters, it's the > same in a lot of other aspects of our culture.... where flashy > stories come out front, and science takes the back seat. > Scientists and engineers generally tend to state only the facts, > while politicians and the media don't really care because they're > not the ones that have to face the repercussions when something > messes up. An engineer can't sit there and tell you that a roller > coaster is 100% safe, because it's not true... there's always > probability of failure, like any machine, it's just really small. > But people seem to jump on it and go AHA! I KNEW IT! and take the > statements all out of context, just because their intuition tells > them something different. > > Just out of curiosity... does anyone .. cough Chris B cough.. know > if Japan or other European countries are the same way? Or is it > just the US like this, where intuition and scariness seems to win > out over everything. Japan's whole culture seems to have a larger > interest in science than the US, which is why I'd be curious to see > if they're any different. > > Mike > > From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 10:35:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31156 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 17:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 17:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14949 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2006 17:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060801173557.14947.qmail@web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.244.4] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:35:57 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:35:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060801150837.27597.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=IIWqTwtxkaF0laJOIk_LUNJz95F9_Fo416QM-HVKDXwwUXTC X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Couple of quick hitters, > >>>>I'm not sure how Superman fit into the New > Orleans > theming. There wasn't even an attempt to make it > fit. > > >>>>Vertical Velocity, was there. It too seemed a > bit > out-of-place in an otherwise well-themed area. > > >>>>Batman: The Ride. (What was Batman doing in > Yankee > Harbor?) > > Why do people get so bent out of shape about this at > a > SF or CF park? Would you rather they not built the > rides at all because they couldn't get them to fit > with the precious themeing? The only parks that > truely take this to heart are Disney, Universal, and > maybe Busch, but when was the last time DL or WDW > built a brand new coaster? (new Space Mt doesn't > count) IOA hasn't had one since it opened. Is that > what you want at your local SF? I agree, but moreso than just being a (former) local who doesnt care about the theming, I'm not so sure that the themeing in this case is really so odd. Now, I've always thought that Iron Wolf should be in Yukon Territory not county fair, but it's *adjacent* to YT so I can forgive that. Batman is from Gotham, which all comic book lore says is analogous to New York City, which is indeed a "Yankee Harbor". Superman travels all across America, so why *not* 'Creole Country' as well (based on last year's response to Katrina, they sure could have used a Superman). As for Vertical Velocity, there really is *no* themeing for the ride so, IMO, they could have plunked it down anywhere and the name would be fine. > People expect a fantasy world when they enter a > Disney > park, and they pay dearly for it. (yeah, I know, SF > prices...) But take a look at the clientelle next > time your at a SF park. Most are just locals > looking > for an entertaining day of riding ride rides and > could > really care less. This is so very true. Being local to the park in 1992, I remember when B:TR was first installed. I dont recall any of my friends (or me for that matter) thinking that it was out of place. We were floored that our park had gone "all out" to create this atmosphere for a ride. The big deal wasnt that the theming was out of place, but rather that there was this level of theming at all. Up until that point, the themeing was, at best, background noise. The only thing that *remotely* stuck out were the log cabin type buildings in Yukon Territory and the Circus tent in County Fair. When B:TR came along, the themeing was in your face, and I daresay, was much appreciated by the locals. I'm a little upset about > losing the ivy tunnel, but if that's the price I > gotta > pay for having Viper and Raging bull, then so be it. Actually, the ivy tunnel was sacrificed for Deja Vu. Still think it was worth it? ;) Cameron said: Back to the topic at hand though, I found Jay's comments about Demon a little odd: >> At Six Flags, it felt more like the park bought a ride and dropped >> it down wherever there was room. The vestiges of the "old" Great >> America didn't feel that way, like the flume and the Demon and the >> theming in some of the sections. >How does Demon fit in to Hometown Square?! :) Actually, unless things have changed recently, isnt Demon in County Fair? Still not a *great* fit, but didnt old time County Fairs have haunted attractions/ freak shows? lata, jeremy --always chatty about his former home park (still one of my top 3 parks...sometimes #1 depending on what day you ask me =]) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 01 10:47:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51444 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:47:22 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k71EdkmZ026746 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <043701c6b578$588f3100$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <74b0c9f30608010718w2cef5c68w7783fdfc774d9237@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yBaPz3gtJ9-_jNkrJ5uTSaeBy3_jcgRNR8h4XZQOMlWeW294Sq6q5Fn3GA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance The park is going to get sued anyway most likely because they have pretty much admitted from what I've seen that their maintenance crew left a loose board out on the ride somewhere and that the vibrations from the ride running moved it out to where it fell or hit the train. I believe the park GM in a media statement said that the board never should have been there in the first place... so if you take everything as an admission that someone at the park was at fault, I can only assume one of two endings here. 1) The park is already planning to offer a settlement offer before it ever gets to court. 2) If the family feels the offer is not enough then they will enter into the lawsuit stage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Girl injured on roller coaster at Iowa park >>>> ALTOONA, IA -- A board used by an amusement park's maintenance >>>> inspectors fell onto a roller coaster car, sending an 11-y.o. >>>> girl to >>>> the hospital, officials said. >>> >>> Must have fallen with a lot of force to send her to hospital then.... > >> This article shows a photo of the girl. Quite banged up. >> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ >> 20060729/NEWS08/607290358&SearchID=73252130284347 > > How can they not call an ambulance with an injury like that? Did > they just drive her to the hospital? A broken arm I can see not > calling an ambulance... but getting hit in the head with a board and > having a huge gash on the side of her head? That's pretty bad... I > can't imagine them not getting sued pretty hard because of that, and > if that's what happened, they probably deserve it. > > Mike > > > > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Aug 01 10:54:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93713 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 17:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 17:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 17:53:04 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h26so369446wxd for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr386627huf; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.18 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0608011042y7da46090kcf154f1a7687efcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:42:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060801173557.14947.qmail@web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060801150837.27597.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060801173557.14947.qmail@web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=rDrKQrQuDrXX8UoA7eBKFE9MjlmE30WWuREzw-CGWjGprR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as they keep Prince's "Batdance" I will say the ride has the right amount of theming. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 13:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63054 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 20:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 20:43:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 20:43:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:43:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.14.214 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UcPtC6-bS1zK2wDhCWxZ-dwVMengEj7mAvlJU4AAfxthJfKgRNhr X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On Wednesday, July 26, Karen, our girls and I took a trip up to the Wisconsin Dells to sample Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park. The trip up there was an experience all by itself. Route 12 through the lower Dells is like driving through a combination of Las Vegas and Coney Island. The strip was wall-to-wall attractions, from "Broadway" musicals to unusual eateries. There were dozens of over-the-top lodgings like the Carousel Inn (decorated with an overload of pastel-colored lollipops and cotton candy waterfalls), most of which featured indoor waterparks. There was Noah's Ark, the king of Wisconsin's waterparks. There was the Tommy Bartlett Show, featuring "ski, sky and space." Bartlett was a big Wisconsin entrepreneur and apparently purchased more billboards than anyone should be allowed. There were rows of haunted houses and tilted rooms. The most elaborate was a gargantuan building labeled "Top Secret." Take the White House, break it in half, tip it upside down and drop the pieces unceremoniously to the ground. That's what this place looked like. It was a huge upside-down building jammed crooked into the pavement. A car was smashed into the side and a fireplug was gushing water. I still have no idea what was inside. But the object of our attention was Mt. Olympus, formerly Big Chief's Carts and Coasters. This park began as mainly a collection of interesting go-karts. Then a wood coaster was added...then another, and another. Then the owners purchased the waterpark next door and renamed the place. Before I experienced Route 12, I had wondered why this park had expanded so rapidly. But after seeing the eclectic mix of attractions, I could understand. If Mt. Olympus hadn't become the biggest, baddest place on the block, it would have been buried by the competition. With all the visual chaos around me, I spotted the entrance on the left. The park was sort of built in a valley, with each end on opposing hills. Karen questioned whether that was the park, but I didn't feel like having to drive past the entrance only to find myself unable to quickly turn back. So I pulled in, and a friendly attendant told us to drive up the hill in front of us. To our left was the large Treasure Island hotel. To our right was Mt. Olympus' huge indoor waterpark, The Bay, and behind it the Neptune outdoor waterpark. We drove up the hill. The small parking lot there was nearly empty, and there was thankfully no charge to park. We walked over to the small entrance, basically two ticket windows built into a beautiful huge grecian archway. I handed the friendly attendant our online tickets. We were given wristbands and then walked back down the hill. The park offered several options: just the waterparks, just the coasters, go-karts and coasters, or the whole shebang. We weren't going to the waterpark, so we got the go-kart and coaster wristband. There was even an option just to walk around the park. As we walked down the hill and took a left through the waterpark, it became obvious how big the place really was. And with the number of people in the park, it was also obvious that there had to be more parking somewhere. We passed by a nicely landscaped adventure golf course. We eventually came to a walkway past the waterpark. On the left was a gigantic row of grecian columns in front of a tent-like building that looked sort of like a temporary army barracks. This was the new Parthenon indoor amusement park. It was a beautiful sunny day, about 11 am, but the sun was beating down pretty hard. So an indoor air-conditioned park seemed really inviting. It was more like a mini-showcase for Zamperla rides. There were various kiddie rides and a small crawl-through fun house. The bulk of the area was occupied by Opa, a portable Zamperla spinning coaster similar to Kennywood's Exterminator. The whole setup looked rather temporary. Karen was brave and decided to take a chance on Opa, as did the girls. Heather and I had ridden Exterminator and knew what to expect. I suggested to Karen that we both sit in the middle to minimize the spinning. The line was fairly long but moved efficiently. I thought it was interesting that the cars didn't actually begin spinning until they reached the trigger on the second level of the structure. So the first part was very similar to a mild wild mouse. But once the spinning began, the sensation was much different. We were pretty well balanced, so it wasn't like a Tilt-a-Whirl (which it had been on Exterminator). But it provided some peculiar G-forces as we'd hit curves in the track at different orientations. It was pleasant and amusing. Karen found one ride on it to be plenty. In front of the coaster was a "Dancing Heads" concession. I had never seen one before. It was a karaoke machine, like many parks have. But with this, the lip-synchers sat in the middle of a big green screen, with their bodies covered by a green cloth. A camera digitally mixed the heads in real time with a limited selection of backgrounds and cartoon bodies that danced to various tunes like Aretha Franklin's ubiquitous "Respect." They were getting $15 for a 3-minute DVD of your performance. We passed. At the back end of the Parthenon stood about a dozen yellow columns, about twelve feet tall. They didn't seem to have a purpose and looked as if they were just being stored there. I walked over to one an tapped on it to see what it was made of. To my surprise it was just painted styrofoam. We walked out of the Parthenon and resumed our progress toward the coaster area. The walkways were poured concrete, made to look like tan slate. To our left was a large building, looking convincingly like a remnant from ancient Greece, that sported the Mt. Olympus logo on it. To the right was a fenced-in pond that contained fountains, geese and mountain goats. In front of the fence was a Robocoaster, not really a coaster at all but basically a robotic assembly arm affixed with two seats. Passengers were secured with over-the-shoulder harnesses and then the arm went through its motions, whipping the people around and spinning them mercilessly. It looked violent and extremely uncomfortable. It was interesting to watch riders' expressions. When the ride started up, they were amused and laughed. But as the motions became more and more extreme their faces showed distress and a little panic. I never saw anyone line up for a second ride, and they were going for a mere $2 (or two rides for $3). We did notice that the ride had different programs. Two small children got on, and the arm gently tossed them and spun them in a simple pattern. The kids giggled non-stop and seemed to love it. Heck, I would have loved the sensation too. But anytime an adult got on, the extreme program was used. Further down from the Robocoaster was a Zamperla Disk-O, just sort of plopped on the walkway. Behind that was Titan's Tower, a pretty standard looking go-kart track. To the left was a stretch of nicely themed shops: Aphrodite (a gift shop), Arcadia (an arcade) and My Big Fat Greek Pizza Joint (Guess what?). Ahead of us loomed the distant structures of the coasters and something else nearby that looked like a wooden coaster but wasn't. It was the structure of Helios, and I had never seen a go-kart track like it. It was two wooden triple-helixes, sitting side by side, about twenty feet high. It reminded me of a parking garage ramp. But I had to do it. None of us had ever ridden a go-kart track like this. Heather passed on it, though. The park seemed to have the queuing process down to a science. There were two lanes at the loading station. One held twelve cars waiting with passengers. All of the cars in the park (with a few exceptions) were exactly alike -- plain (except for a small spoiler), black and really low to the ground. The other lane accepted the incoming cars from the track. The two attendants simply pivoted a long padded barrier to direct the flow of traffic. After all the cars had come in from the track, the attendants would signal the waiting cars to go. After the outgoing lane emptied, a whistle was blown and the recently returned passengers would exit the ride. Then an attendant would move the barrier back. The attendants looked really hot and tired. As I expected when kids were at the wheel, occasionally a smark aleck would decide to play bumper cars, often when returning to the station. But the park had a good way of dealing with that. We saw a kid come flying into the station and purposely ram the car in front of him. An attendant calmly walked over to the kid and said, "Give me your wrist." Sheepishly, the kid raised his arm and the addendant used a Sharpie to make a big black X on the kid's wristband. I wasn't sure what it meant, but the kid looked really depressed after that and left with his head down. In a short time, we each hunkered down into our car. The cars had an accelerator and a brake pedal. When we were given the go-ahead, I stepped down on the accelerator but really didn't get much speed. The car curved around out of the station then turned left up the first counter-clockwise helix. The surface of the helix was made of wood slats, and my car bounced and skitted all over the place. It was like riding over a washboard. At the top of the helix, the track went across and then into a downward clockwise triple helix. And then the cycle repeated. I was impressed with the driving skills of kids who looked to be seven or eight years old. They seemed to handle the small balky steering wheel with ease and were good judges of acceleration and braking. We went through three circuits of the course. On the last leg, I looked down below as I was going up into the first helix. One car intentionally rammed another, sending it spinning briefly and jacknifing across the track. Everyone coming up behind had to stop. Karen and I returned to the station, but Liz didn't return. We waited and waited. There were additional attendants positioned around the course, and I assumed they saw this. Finally, the next group was sent out onto the track and we exited without Liz. After a pause, the cars came around -- and there she was. They had given her another round. After that ride, Liz told us that she had helped straighten out the jacknifed car, and the attendants let her go for another spin (so to speak). We were all pretty hot after that (and choked up with gas fumes) so we headed to a nearby conscession cart. I got a Gatorade, and the ladies got fresh-squeezed lemonades. We walked past Dive to Atlantis, which the park advertised as a coaster. It was really a shoot-the-chutes ride with a dip in the track. It looked a bit barren, with a nice archway out front but nothing else around it. A few of those styrofoam columns scattered about might have looked nice, or maybe even some trees. We were definitely in coaster territory, though. Structures were all around us. It was nearly impossible to tell which coaster was which. Except for Pegasus, which sat apart intertwined with the go-kart Medusa's Drop, the other three woodies looked all tangled up. The first one we came to was Cyclops. Its big drop was hard to miss, diving alongside the midway below the station. One thing that struck me about all the coasters here was how high the stations were. All of them had fairly lengthy staircases that had to be climbed, making them inaccessible to anyone in a wheelchair. Also, all the coasters had a steep dip in the track coming back into the station. On some it was actually pretty effective, because the brakes would let the train ease down the drop very gradually. Cyclops was the first wooden coaster the park built, in 1995. It was designed by Custom Coasters. We climbed up to the station and found nobody there, except a bored-looking ride operator. The train had left on its course. Wo we queued up for the front seat. The girls lined up for the second seat. The train re-appeared, and Karen was surprised how short the ride was. We climbed on board into the PTC trains. I then understood why all the stations were so high up. Every coaster started off with a dive out of the station -- not a little bump like what Arrow used to do, but a pretty sizeable drop. We swung around to the lift hill, clattered up a short ways and then dove down the first drop. From there, I don't really remember too much about the ride except for the dive down by the midway. That was exciting. The rest of the ride was pleasant, but not memorable. Afterwards we stopped at Medusa's Cafe for some soft-serve ice cream. I got caramel, and it was so soft that I had to eat it fast to prevent it from tumbling off onto the ground. Next door was Pegasus, so we decided to try that. This was the park's second coaster, built in 1996. It was the smallest of the wood coasters. Coming out of the station, the train dropped and curved to the right and then went up the modest lift hill. Off the lift, there was a series of small dips and right-hand turns above and around the Medusa's Drop go-cart track. It felt more like we were riding a wooden wild mouse. But it was fun, a different sensation for a wood coaster. Then there was a series of quick hops back to the station. I liked it better than Cyclops. There was more variety and the ride put a smile on my face. After that we headed over to Hades. Built by the Gravity Group (whose members were from the now-defunct Custom Coasters) in 2005, this woodie briefly held the record for the steepest drop (65 degrees), longest tunnel, and steepest banked turn (a whopping 90 degrees). Holiday World's Voyage and Six Flags Great Adventure's El Toro bested all those records the following year. The structure of Hades (which I thought meant Hell, but actually was named after the Greek god of the underworld) was galvanized steel. The wood track was noticeably fresher than any of the other coasters. And the track laminations looked well-constructed. I had gotten used to seeing Custom Coasters track that had gaps all through the laminations (which in turn could make the track wear out quicker). But with the enormous forces at work on Hades, a well-built track was a necessity. The coaster's statistics were impressive: a 150 foot drop and over 4700 feet of track. We wandered through the appropriately desolate queue line, filled with large stones. I liked how the park had saved many of their old trees when building the coaster, working the track around them. The ride's thin structure was elegant but seemed so spindly. Not much of Hade's layout was visible from the queue. The big drop right out of the station was plainly visible, and the subsequent curving bunny-hop-filled course before the lift. There was more track on this coaster before the lift than on the entire course of many small coasters. I noticed the severe third drop. It reminded me of the drop after the hoop-dee-doo on Riverside's Cyclone. You could see people get yanked down as the train dropped out from under them. The train then flew into a sharp right turn, swung under some track, took a left and then flew up into the lift at high speed. It was an appropriate beginning. The only other portion of track visible was the return run, which featured a noisy high-speed dive next to the station and an undulating layout that took the train in a wide circle around the station. This ride had the longest wait of any of the coasters, but it was a reasonable twenty minutes for the front seat. Heather and I rode together. The drop out of the station seemed insanely steep. That third drop was indeed pretty violent. The we zoomed up into the lift. When we got to the top of the lift, I gasped. I saw a vast parking lot. At the far end of the parking lot appeared to be another coaster. I looked down, and there was a tiny hole in the pavement. The track disappeared from under us and we sped down toward that hole. In an instant we were surrounded by darkness and cool dampness. The sound of the train was absolutely deafening. I felt my body shimmy to the right. The was a floating sensation and then my body shimmied to the left. What I saw next didn't make any sense to me. It was the exit of the tunnel. But it was on its side. Suddenly the entire image righted itself as the train came out of the 90 degree banking and we flew up the tall hill of that "other coaster" I had seen from the lift. We were at the other end of the parking lot. I took a breath as we coasted over the top. Then we turned right and plunged down sharply, flew over a speed bump and then charged back into the tunnel in the opposite direction. Once again, my body was subjected to all sorts of forces -- up, down and side to side -- and I couldn't see a thing. I thought the train was going to shake itself to pieces. Then we barreled up a hill into the light and thundered down the drop next to the station. We circled around to the right, negotiating the bunny hops smoothly, popping out of our seats. And then we flew up into a wide left turn and were yanked to a stop at the brakes. The brakes released the train and ever so slowly lowered us down the hump back into the station. I was exhausted. I made a chopping motion across my neck to Karen, indicating she shouldn't do it. She hated tunnels, and I told her this was the mother of all tunnels. But there she was with Liz, lined up for the front. So she climbed aboard. She was almost crying when she returned. Her expression was a mixture of shock and exhaustion. She and Liz both said they began drooling in the tunnel from the extreme forces. They both swore, "Never again." Heather and I both were willing to go for another ride, but not at that moment. The coaster was so intense that we needed a rest. Mt. Olympus certainly created a world-class coaster. But it might also end up being a world-class headache. The track through the tunnel was taken at such high speed, it'll surely be a maintenance problem. And the rigidness of the steel structure will probably cause even more wear on the track. But after 11 years of maintaining wood coasters, I assume the crew was well aware of the problems they'd have to deal with. We needed another break after that, so we stopped into the stunning (and air conditioned) Delphi Coffee and Gift Shop. The exterior had the same ancient Greek look of the other buildings, but it was circular and completely surrounded by mirrored windows. The shop featured a really nice selection of T-shirts, postcards, magnets and other items. And of course, the smell of freshly roasted coffee permeated the air. All the souvenirs were well-designed and attractive. The structure of a new building was going up next door. It looked like a smaller version of the Parthenon. I went to a nearby ticket booth to ask for a map and was given the standard park brochure, which featured a cartoony layout of the park with no legends to figure out what's what. I asked if they had any maps that were labeled, and was told no. I thought that was odd, because at the ticket booth there was a labeled map of the park taped to the counter. We headed back out onto the midway. Liz really wanted to try the Trojan Horse go-karts. It was similar in layout to the other tracks, except this one went through the belly of a three-story-high wooden Trojan horse. It was an impressive sight, positioned near to the park entrance up on a hill. The ride also looked a bit lonely. It sat there with nothing but a large expanse of field next to it. At least the park still had a lot of room to grow. The go-kart track was fun, but nothing too exciting. Heather tried it out, and like it. The trip through the horse was interesting because I could see how the structure was built (basically, a wood frame with a wood slat skin). The attention to detail on the horse was impressive, down to the rope ladder hanging off of it and the giant wheels on the horse's hooves. We walked back down the hill. There was another larger entrance coming from the big parking lot where Hade's turnaround was. But the path down from the entrance area had been blocked off. There were various kiddie rides scattered about that didn't seem to be doing much business. We stopped at the entrance to Medusa's Drop, the go-kart intertwined with Pegasus. This one had a fairly long wait. The fumes from the engines were beginning to get to me. But eventually we boarded and took off. My car felt peppier than the others I had driven. The layout was fairly standard: I headed under Pegasus' lift hill and then curved left into a counter-clockwise upward helix. Pegasus' track at times was just a few feet above my head, and occasionally the train rumbled by. It was a nice effect. I got to the top of the helix, and to my surprise the track dropped out from under me into a steep double dip. My car flew down the hills and I even got a little airtime. It was lots of fun and made me laugh quite loudly. We went around four times. On the last circuit, a kid nearly rammed me, cutting in front of me right as we got to the top of the helix. His car was just inches in front of me and there was nowhere for me to turn. As we went down the dips, my car sped up and I slammed into him. All it seemed to do is just push him further ahead. Karen and the girls really enjoyed that ride. The girls wanted to get some gifts at Delphi and Karen and I wanted to cool off on Dive to Atlantis. So as the girls headed for the shop, Karen and I lined up for the "water coaster." We noticed there were only five boats on the fairly lengthy course. The line was pretty long, and wasn't moving very quickly. And there was no shade. We waited about ten minutes but began to melt. So instead we met back up with the girls and got some drinks from the Medusa Cafe. Karen rested at a shaded cafe table while the girls and I queued up for Turbo Track, a fairly normal-looking go-kart track. While in line, I decided to pass on it and instead videotape the girls. They had a great time, and Karen was able to rest a bit. After that, we walked to the back corner of the park to ride Poseidon, the largest go-kart track in the park. This monster was similar in layout to the other big tracks, except it had six levels, arranged in a figure-8, plus an underground tunnel and a long connecting runway high above the ground. The queue was shaded and it was fun to watch the cars go through their twisting course. There was a slight hold-up when one of the cars died in the station. The attendant walked over to it and fiddled with the engine. Then he reached behind and pull-started it, just like an old lawnmower. After a few tugs, the engine started. The ride began with a left turn out of the station heading down into the tunnel. A wide left turn up and around brought me past the station and heading for the left upward helix. At the top of the tall helix, the view of the park was impressive. The long runway over toward the figure-8 was paved with sheets of metal. The figure-8 itself was great, a long winding trip down through the massive structure. Then the track headed back toward the tunnel. It was a surprisingly long course. Three laps on this ride was plenty. We had one more coaster to try: Zeus. Built by Custom Coasters in 1997, this was the park's biggest ride until Hades opened. It was yet another coaster whose structure was mostly hidden from view. We climbed up to the station and thought the operator was asleep. There was no one there except for two people in line for the front, and no train. After about a minute, the train returned to the station. Heather was standing with Karen, and I was in line with Liz behind them, waiting for the front seat. The ride operator seemed annoyed that we wanted to wait for the front. The riders exited from the train. The two people in line sat down. And we waited. The ride operator said nothing. Finally some people entered the station and the train began to fill up. Karen didn't want to keep waiting, so she and Heather took the third seat. After a few minutes, the train went on its way. When they returned, Heather and Karen both gave the ride a thumbs-up. Liz and I took the front seat and after a short wait we left the station. Like the other wood coasters in the park, there was a drop out of the station. the track turned left and rose up a hill, which leveled out. We engaged the lift. At the top, we turned left. The sight there was a visual jumble. The track was tangled up with Hades. We dropped down and then soared over a nice camelback hill with good airtime. That was followed by two little speed bumps that pierced the structure of Hades and a bigger hill with a turn to the left. There was another drop with a low high-speed turnaround. Another camelback brought us to a steeply banked right turn followed by a double-dip. The bottom of the dip was low to the ground and vegetation was coming up through the tracks. A quick rise up through Hades turned sharply right -- and there we were at the brakes. I thought this was the most enjoyable coaster in the park. It was punchy but not extreme, filled with airtime and lateral forces. It wasn't punishing at all. It was probably the most "normal" coaster there, even though it had an unusual U-shaped configuration. It was very re-rideable. So I wondered why it had the emptiest station at Mt. Olympus. Maybe it was just the time of day. We were all hungry by that time, so we headed back toward the one main eatery in the park, My Big Fat Greek Pizza Joint. When we entered, we were surprised to see an old wooden sailboat inside the restaurant. It had stools all around it forming a dining area, and seating inside as well. We were the only ones there. We each ordered drinks and a personal pizza. Mine was with double-cheese. The total came to $32 (a lot less than we spent on a similar meal at Six Flags). We sat down and relaxed while they cooked the pizzas fresh. The food was delicious. Another thing I appreciated at the park was the background music. It was all authentic Greek music spanning many genres, from traditional to pop. It helped give Mt. Olympus a unique old-world feeling. We went next door to the Aphrodite gift shop. I picked up three really nice T-shirts, some postcards and magnets. One of the clerks came over to me and asked if I was a coaster enthusiast. I said yes. Then she asked me if there were any gifts that they didn't have that I would like them to carry. I had to think for a minute. No one had ever asked me that question before. I suggested some more magnets (since only two coasters were represented), but I couldn't think of anything more creative. I was really impressed that the staff cared enough to ask what I'd like. Also, all of the workers at the park were international students. But unlike so many international students at other parks, these seemed to be very well trained and spoke perfect english. There was no communication problem at all. It was then about seven at night. I found it hard to believe we had already been there for almost eight hours. We could easily have spent more time, but it was a long drive back to Milwaukee. We hiked back up through the deserted waterpark and to the parking lot. On the way, we passed by The Parthenon and its huge styrofoam columns. Kids were standing there picking at the columns and tearing chunks of styrofoam off. Naturally there were no parents around to stop them. We had a great time at Mt. Olympus. If we go back to the Dells again, we'll certainly stop there. The theming and architecture was nicely done. The go-karts tracks were fantastic. And the coasters were pretty good. Hades would certainly please the thrillseekers. Families would enjoy Zeus and Pegasus and Cyclops. The park could have used more food choices. How about having some baklava carts? Or baklava on a stick? Or lamb kabobs? The greek theming has great potential for expansion. The park itself had lots of room for expansion and could develop into the best amusement facility in the north-central area, even rivaling Six Flags Great America. I realize that prefabricated rides like Opa and Disk-O require less initial financial investment than something like Hades or Poseidon. But I hope that the management continues its "Carts and Coasters" tradition of unique rides. With so much competition in the area, the more outrageouly unique the park stays, the more successful it will be. From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Aug 01 14:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46115 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 21:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 21:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (63.240.77.83) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 21:41:35 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006080121412901300aaj4ue>; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:41:29 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c6b5b3$357807b0$28e57618@acct04.us.lmco.com> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:41:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=MZ7un9p3HZhnuTjGhURVdwtZhiQ9H7wLhCktdi5qIa77FEKhwZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the great TR Jay! I haven't been to SFGAM in a couple of years and have been sort of itching to go back. The $15 parking fee is enough to keep me away though, especially after spending over a week at HW this summer. And I also agree that while GAM is a beautiful park with a lot going for it there just isn't one stand-out attraction that compels me to visit on any kind of regular basis. I met a non-enthusiast at VF recently who was up from FL visiting family for a few weeks. She mentioned she had recently taken her daughter to SFGAM and I asked what she thought of it. "Terrible, absolutely awful!" was her reply. Her main complaints were the same as mine on previous visits, too many unsupervised spitting teenagers and gang-bangers roaming the park. I thought raising prices would help with this, but maybe they need to raise them higher? In any event it sounds like you hit it on a good day, so maybe things are improving on the whole. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 16:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10849 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 23:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 23:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 23:03:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 23:03:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:03:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=gGnTplWitS89TzRUSYX2JuZQ6kefQRK4dtt1WqrT31dx233PWO2y X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: Wow, that was a LONG trip report! Very descriptive, though. I feel=20 like I've visited the park! One thing, though: when describing trips=20 with kids, it could be helpful to describe how old the kids are. Anyway, great TR. I'd like to visit the Dells sometime. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 17:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87973 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 00:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 37367 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 00:25:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802002542.37365.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.252.187] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:25:42 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: BUSCH GARDENS AFRICA RIDE CLAIMS A LIFE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8MvhFOkhxk0yVfln_mdnJWy7BW6j6abjnRZnoCWyc3DV5Fj-xwwD X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "BUSCH RIDE, PEOPLE DIED!!!!" < My favorite on that page was a little further down: They Send a Man to the Moon, but They Can't Make a Safe Fatal Tour Boat "Fatal Tour Boat Unsafe"--headline, Times Union (Albany, N.Y.), July 26 Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 18:07:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 01:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 01:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 01:05:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76629 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 01:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802010525.76627.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.252.187] by web53109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:05:25 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UaVMclDj2w7AVbOVLATZCU3B23QYB2yrT4EA0c2F6HXGiBNiumVw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Remember Birthday parties? Holiday parties? < Yeah, but that really doesn't seem to be what they're talking about when the cheesy singer belts out, "Get down and party!" It sound more like they mean a kegger. > Why do people get so bent out of shape about this at a SF or CF park? < It depends on the park. At Cedar Point, for instance, I really don't care. It's not a "theme" park, just a big midway. Neither do I care at Kennywood or Geauga Lake or Compounce or many other places. But at Great America, someone went through a lot of effort early on to extensively and meticulously theme the entire park so that you felt as if you were in seven completely different lands. Great America is a Theme Park, whether Six Flags likes it or not. Now, the chain could tear down all the theming. Or it could simply use a little care when installing new rides. I mean, they did with Ragin' Cajun. That ride fits into that area beautifully. Even Raging Bull had some thematic elements to root it in the Southwest Territory. But Superman stuck out like a sore thumb. So did Batman, and that butt-ugly structure of Deja-Vu. It was because the management didn't care about theming those particular rides. As you noticed, I mentioned that most people probably don't care. But I really think on some level they do, just like they'd notice if they went to a nice restaurant and all the place settings were askew. Would they still eat there? Sure. But they'd have a lesser dining experience. It wouldn't be perfect. Maybe I'm a bit obsessive, but I think if the chain put a little more thought into fitting their rides into the themes that already exist, they'd create a better experience for their guests. Why do they need another DC Comics ride? Why not theme the ride to the Mardi Gras? If they want to shove the DC characters down our throats, why not add a new comic area to the park? They already have some redundancy with Hometown Square and County Fair. Make Hometown Square a Superhero Plaza. Deja-Vu can be renamed Superman: Ultimate Wait. Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 18:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52650 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 01:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 01:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 01:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77857 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 01:09:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802010900.77855.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.252.187] by web53109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:08:59 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aahY8eRdAJOSiSurez33bVlkwrfcI1wadyWhacKDPO0hgW2f4bRE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > How does Demon fit in to Hometown Square?! :) < I never considered it part of Hometown Square (even though that's where the= station technically is located). It's really part of the Southwest Territ= ory and is a transitional element. (How do you like that logic?) =20 > (For the record, the same is true of the pinball machines I worked=20=20 on .. I prefer to hear what people don't like about them.). < Great, Cam! Send me one and I'll be glad to comment on it! ;-) Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 18:18:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21517 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 01:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 01:18:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 98180 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 01:18:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802011828.98178.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.252.187] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:18:28 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Honest article on ride aCcidents.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Zx0e0bTxRWCF34q9jBWjzwzg3aIw8YxqKYe5MIcHNbJJGYiARJIx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great article! Thanks for finding it. One question I have: the author mentions that last year there were 175 million visits taken at amusement parks. I've heard that famous statistic from the Consumer Product Safety Commission that stated a few years ago there were over 300 million rides taken at amusement parks. Does anyone know how those two figures relate? In other words, has overall attendance at parks increased or decreased nationwide over the past few years? If attendance (and therefore the number of rides given) has increased, the industry has been doing an incredible job because the number of accidents seems to have stayed about the same or dropped during that same period. Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 01 18:45:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17236 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 01:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 01:45:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:45:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.252.187 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=BhQaQgvcnw60Xeq9FaQPuEOnYdWtnYOxIr00ad-2SliK_3VGRfTl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I feel like I've visited the park! < Thanks Adam. That's what I aim for. I appreciate that on this list. So many people visit parks I may never get to but give me an experience of what it was like there. > One thing, though: when describing trips with kids, it could be helpful to describe how old the kids are. < Sorry. We have twin girls, 21 years old. BTW, if anyone wants to check out some pics they're at: > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/mtolympus06/mtolympus06.html < Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 01 19:25:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66033 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 02:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 02:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 02:24:03 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so65616ugf for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr437141ugl; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:23:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060802010900.77855.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060802010900.77855.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fh6jN5DAtZW3h8K7UHlDn6Hz_ohlobVSAAdylSFOjp-NoL5NpiiamD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > How does Demon fit in to Hometown Square?! :) < > I never considered it part of Hometown Square (even though that's where the > station technically is located). It's really part of the Southwest Territory and is a > transitional element. (How do you like that logic?) No. Demon is (and always has been) in the County Fair section of Great America. There's a big sign that says "County Fair" that you walk under before you reach the entrance to Demon. :) It certainly isn't a part of Southwest Territory. I have more to comment on, but it will have to wait for tomorrow. I enjoyed both of your trip reports, though. Thanks. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 11:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51133 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 18:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 18:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 18:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 43608 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 18:25:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802182537.43606.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.245.214] by web53110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:25:37 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:25:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Amusement exhibit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aR8S0AAqQCOpvpBtlnulRiiikzyYXqbAgHLuqsfuwvdvurT9Xgys X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mass MoCA in North Adams, MA, has an interesting exhibit running this season: > http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2006/01/23/33631.html < Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 11:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80175 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 18:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 18:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 18:31:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:31:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.214 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QHg6eoL6Um3rdLJRUby70q328d9M9-eD2TC06KVbr_WM2iO2a7vI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > No. Demon is (and always has been) in the County Fair section of > Great America. There's a big sign that says "County Fair" that you > walk under before you reach the entrance to Demon. :) < Yeah, you're right. I kept thinking the Demon entrance was at the center of the park. And I have the darn park map with me -- I could have just looked at it! But I still say it works well as a transitional element into the Southwest Territory. BTW, speaking of maps, I got an interesting souvenir at the park: a bundled collection of large maps from every Six Flags park. It was created for the chain's 45th anniversary. It's probably available at other SF parks as well. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 12:55:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82860 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 19:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 19:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.83) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 19:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 60309 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2006 19:52:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20060802195243.60307.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:52:43 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=OnfHLUn_DhfOzDyZHBI2F4UoOaBzSR-8SLBU-FIVdevfhaJQAsg9 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Cam wrote: >>>> For example, Vertical Velocity could have been called something like "Water Spout", and be blue instead of yellow. >>>> Yes! Brilliant idea. And it fits in with the theming of Yankee Harbor. >>>>I'm sure Superman could have been named something more suitable to New Orleans, too. >>>> No! I already said it... Flying coaster = Superman. End of story. Superman has been a cultural icon for centuries, and is recognizable worldwide. From a business standpoint Superman merchandise will sell 10 times better than any N.O. themed merch. And who hasn't dreamed of being able to fly like Superman? I mean in an actual flying position, not just tons of airtime like on SROS. To be able to finally tap into that fantasy is marketing gold for SF. The only way I see to make this ride work from a Mardi Gras standpoint would be to have the ride fly over a miniature version of the Mardi Gras Parade, complete with lights, floats, music, the whole 9 yards. They should have built this at Legoland. Maybe you can drop beads to girls waiting in line as you fly over. Actually, it could start as Mardi Gras, then after a few years of typical SF vandalism, garbage, and lack of upkeep they could re-theme it to the aftermath of Katrina. No extra work nessecary. "FEMA - the ride" Prove me wrong... I challenge anyone to come up with a New Orleans/Mardi Gras name for this coaster that is a better fit than "Superman." AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Aug 02 13:12:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93262 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 20:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 20:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-42.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.11) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 20:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 20773 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2006 20:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 20:06:45 -0000 Received: from 208-39-138-189.isp.comcastbusiness.net ([208.39.138.189] helo=[172.16.17.5]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G8MzH-0007JW-KK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:06:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060802195243.60307.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060802195243.60307.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:10:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 208.39.138.189 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=wJDqRTwd0cG4xZeI-tR6U6lKm99IUgxVxLh7qq1jOZ5i2Ybl4EwK X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Actually, it could start as Mardi Gras, then after a > few years of typical SF vandalism, garbage, and lack > of upkeep they could re-theme it to the aftermath of > Katrina. No extra work nessecary. "FEMA - the ride" Haha you can always just have water jets spraying you on the entire ride and call it Katrina: the ride. And you can even interlace it with the lack of federal oversight at theme parks, or whatever Markey wants... you can sell t-shirts like "The government won't protect you on this one, either". Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 02 14:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46228 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 21:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 21:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 21:09:35 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so625825ugd for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.12 with SMTP id c12mr1679382ugm; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:08:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=H7nnXE3KAxvPMCbiFI9hYe7uTVYUrp-Gc8sse-ZkxLH6IjvvXB8yAlI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Parking cost $15, which had > become standard at Six Flags parks. It cost more just to park there > than it cost for a whole day of fun at Wisconsin's Little Amerricka. True. But you also weren't forced to park in a dirt/gravel lot like at Little A-Merrick-A and were able to ride coasters that were actually built after 1970. :-) > To the left was the > new B&M flying coaster, Superman: Ultimate Flight. The old Arrow > Shockwave coaster was a much more visually impressive sight, with > greater height and a meandering footprint that occupied a great deal > of land. Actually, I think S:UF is just as impressive as Shockwave ever was when driving into the parking lot. Maybe it's the bright red track or the rather convoluted layout. I also think it looks nicer now that the parking lot has been torn up underneath the ride. > I > was particularly eager to ride Viper, which I heard was a really good > wood coaster. Viper is good, but not *really* good IMO. It's a surprisingly tame coaster. It has some nice floaty airtime and it's very well maintained, but I prefer my rides to be more intense than Viper is. It's too bad you missed it though. > The park's layout was essentially a giant wheel (a design popularized > by Disneyland), and was divided into seven areas reflecting different > parts of the United States: Orleans Place, Mardi Gras, Yankee Harbor, > Yukon Territory, County Fair, Southwest Territory and Hometown Square > (which was located in the middle of the wheel). Interesting. I've always considered Hometown Square to be part of the outside of the wheel with Southwest Territory tacked on the side. Maybe that's because it was built that way (SW Territory added on in 1996) or maybe because PGA has still retained most of the wheel in its original form. > I'm not sure how Superman fit into the New Orleans > theming. There wasn't even an attempt to make it fit. It looked like > it belonged in a DC Comics area. Actually, SFGAm made a very conscious effort to fit S:UF into Orleans Place. They knew it had to go there and it had to be called Superman, so they really did everything they could to make it as non-intrusive as possible. Jim Wintrode (the park's former GM) talked a bit about this as the ride was being constructed. The ride's entrance matches the area very well. They kept the Orleans Place architecture around the entrance and queue but painted it to match the ride's colors. It actually looks very nice, and I think it fits in well (see http://www.sfgamworld.com/gallery/SupermanUF/Superman014 ). I'd rather have Superman in Orleans Place than have seen them add an overdone DC Comics area like every other park. > We continued our trek through to the Yankee > Harbor section. One of the few coasters I had ridden on our last > visit, Vertical Velocity, was there. It too seemed a bit out-of-place > in an otherwise well-themed area. If Yankee Harbor's two major attractions (B:TR and V2) don't fit in, I'm confused how the area is well-themed. ;-) Actually, I think both fit in okay. I agree with Jeremy about Batman. It doesn't match the more quaint, New England-style buildings on the other side of the path, but stands in rather ominous opposition, and I think that was the point. I've always thought Batman fits and works well here. Vertical Velocity doesn't really fit, but it doesn't stick out either. They unfortunately lost the lighthouse when constructing it, but kept both ponds around the ride. It has arguably the best setting of any coaster in the park. > After that meal, we walked over to Logger's Run, a giant Arrow flume > ride from 1976. The station was tucked back into a corner and was > thankfully shaded. The ride had a turntable station. It appeared to > have two separate troughs at some time in the past, but one of them > was unused and completely dry. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Logger's Run is intertwined with Yankee Clipper, an Arrow hydroflume built the same year. Yankee Clipper used to only operate on weekends, and I don't know if that's changed. When it's closed all of the water sits in the retention pond. But it does still operate. You may also be talking about the two parallel troughs on the ride's major drop. Both Logger's Run and Yankee Clipper have two parallel troughs on their final large drops. This was done to increase capacity, and several parks had this (Cedar Point, for example). I'm not sure if any park uses both troughs anymore, though. Some have even removed them. > Nearby was Bugs Bunny's National > Park. Along with the DC characters, it was cartoon overload. I thought > it odd to have so many different animation companies clumped together. > But it did make a sort of de facto kiddie section in the park. SFGAm has probably the most pathetic children's area of any major park in the country. Camp Cartoon Network isn't bad, but Looney Tunes National Park has about four attractions and a heck of a lot of pavement. After seeing what other parks have done with the LTNP theme (TGE, SFGAdv), SFGAm's looks even worse. Hopefully this is addressed within the next few years. > We walked across a covered bridge into the County Fair section at the > back of the park. The theming in that area felt loosely like an old > midway, like a Luna Park or Coney Island. Iron Wolf, an old B&M stand-up coaster was there. It > didn't quite fit in. Agreed. The County Fair section of the park was really the first one to fall apart in terms of theming, and it wasn't the fault of Premier (or even Time-Warner). Over the years they lost a lot of the "midwest fair" feel and it became a sort of "anything goes" area. Now it's just a mess of different attractions that don't necessarily fit together well. Iron Wolf was an obvious blunder, though, because it would have fit so nicely in Yukon Territory next door. Simply moving the entrance to County Fair about 200' down the path would have resolved the bizarre theming. Fiddler's Fling, which is across the path from Iron Wolf, would have fit just as well in Yukon Territory also. Of course, at this point it would be just silly to fix it, but I do agree with you on this one. > After that relaxing trip, Karen and I queued up for The American Eagle > while the girls went off to play some more games. We loved the Eagle > the last time we were at the park. At that time, one train ran > backwards and one forwards. This time both were running forwards. That's disappointing to hear. I think the blue side is much more fun backward. But I'm glad to hear someone give this ride some love. For being one of those "really huge wooden coasters," I think it runs pretty well. They do pay a lot of attention to it. It just needs a paint job and perhaps a new queue, seeing that this is the worst in the park IMO. > The old-style 3-bench PTC trains were unusual because > of the bizarre headrests on them, not only on the backs of the seats > but on the sides as well. This was done to keep riders' arms inside the car, and in particular to keep passengers from handslapping with the other train. > I had heard that the track at the bottom of the first drop > was retrofitted with steel I-beams. But I couldn't see any evidence of > that. You mean you couldn't hear the steel rattling like crazy as the train passed over? :-) > Nearby, the > infamous Deja Vu, the coaster that bankrupted Vekoma, was running > steadily. Six years ago, it didn't run at all. But the ride cycle > times seemed extremely long, about five or six minutes. I had no > interest in riding it. You missed out on the best coaster in the park, IMO. If the park was busy I'm sure the line was insane, but I love this ride despite all of its problems. It is pretty crazy intense, though, so it might not have been your style. Even so, I think it's fascinating to watch. It's extraordinarily complex. > The girls wanted to take in a show. So we headed down to the Hometown > Square area, the section of the park that really didn't have any > theming. The arch at the entrance actually read, "Hometown Park." That > made a bit more sense. Hmm...I always thought Hometown Square had some really nice theming. The area around the Orbit doesn't have much, especially since they removed some really nice landscaping and a fountain in favor of some games, but the area in front of Whizzer certainly does. > I wandered deeper into the Southwest Territory, finally coming to the > Demon, one of the best-themed coasters I've ever seen. It was a > modified Arrow 4-inversion ride surrounded by fake rocks and caves. It > blended in beautifully with the landscape. This coaster really should > have been named Viper; it looked much more like a snake than the > Cyclone knock-off. You wandered pretty far into SW Territory if you came to Demon. :-p Demon was built many years before Southwest Territory existed, although having not visited the park prior to 1996, I have no idea if the rock through the loop was there prior to Southwest Territory or not. Viper is wonderfully themed, though, and makes perfect sense in SW Territory. For one thing, wooden coasters always seem to fit that theme well. But beyond that, the station is a big "Snake Oil Elixer" factory, complete with lots of barrels, ropes, tools, etc. There also used to be bags that hung above the trains that squirmed as if there were snakes inside, and a large snake that would lower from the ceiling toward the train as it entered the brake shed. Unfortunately, the snake theming objects are long gone, but the station is still wonderfully done: http://www.sfgamworld.com/gallery/Viper/Viper002_001 > American Eagle was fun, as was Raging Bull (which we > avoided on this trip since last time it had a 3 hour wait). Wow! How many trains were they running? I've ridden Raging Bull when the line has been spilling into the midway and only waited an hour. Even with two trains and a nearly-full queue the wait has only been an hour and a half. I would never wait three hours for anything, much less Raging Bull. You have my sympathy. :) > But the > park, like the chain, was having an identity crisis. Was it a family > park, like Disney? Was it a teen thrill park, the kind Six Flags > developed under the old management? Was it a theme park in the > tradition of Busch Gardens Williamsburg? Or was it more like Cedar > Point, a traditional midway? I think Six Flags (especially Great America) is more "in transition" than "in crisis." There was a period of time where they removed a lot of flat rides and only added big, thrilling coasters. They're stepping away from that now by adding lots of family attractions, and at the same time they've kept up with the theming (Mardi Gras, for instance, was very well done and fixed an area of the park that had been all but destroyed). I think it's slowly headed in the right direction. Some of the big theming mistakes will never be corrected (Superman, Iron Wolf, etc). But I think that can be overlooked if they can continue the theming in the rest of the park. It is a sort of hybrid between all of the things you mentioned above, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. SFGAm has always been SFGAm to me. Like Great Adventure and some of the other large Six Flags parks, it's what a regional theme park is supposed to be. Thanks for the TR! -Nate From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 02 15:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24666 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 22:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 22:03:34 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc206.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.206]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k72K3JUu017324 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01c6b66e$b6c92090$ce2c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:03:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SOME LINKS TO A NEWS STORY & THE LINK TO SFI's CONFERENCE CALL TODAY AT 5PM EST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=DPIUzYA-faJMTc661-p9zBHfOK9JlJY8uqNS2csnHDWgJSEqrJEl X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An article about CP, CF, and SFI mixed in there.... http://www.fool.com/news/mft/2006/mft06080103.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y Six Flags, Inc. Earnings Conference Call (Q2 2006) Scheduled to start Wed, Aug 2, 2006, 5:00 pm Eastern http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/4/71174.html Hopefully the link will work. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mskr63@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 02 15:18:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mskr63@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75811 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 22:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 22:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 22:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 22:16:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 22:16:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2006 22:16:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:16:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.149.68.111 From: "cwbyfn4evr63" Subject: Six Flags LIMs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213248752; y=d7qteIu3eW2JZ9bTroAZ_l_rPiH0BRg9bbIWRqMFgjI6pKHWgBMN2EToClka1KA X-Yahoo-Profile: cwbyfn4evr63 I ubderstand Six Flags is working on solving a problem with the wheels=20 on their launched coasters. Does anyone know if progress is being=20 made, or if we might expect to see any of them reopend this year? From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 02 15:27:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40129 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 22:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 22:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 22:24:55 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653244hfc206.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.44.206]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k72MORQK015779 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901c6b682$6e30e660$ce2c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <003d01c6b66e$b6c92090$ce2c2041@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:24:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SOME LINKS TO A NEWS STORY & THE LINK TO SFI's CONFERENCE CALL TODAY AT 5PM EST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=GGIXMHGq__XvN7CkyBSxS26PU4dQKG0MJ_9GeqavQxRtvtnJ1lir X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was on the conference call while it was going on. Some things heard on the call are: Great Adventure is the biggest challenge right now due to the years of neglect. He acknowledged the park got some cool rides, but other things were not given attention. Kingda Ka has been in operation everyday. He stated IF they decide to sell the parks mentioned before, they have been packaged as a deal together, NOT SEPARATELY due to the regions they are located in, and they form a nice portfolio. They have been getting alot of interest, and they owe it to creditors and shareholders to entertain them, but they do reserve the right not to sell them. The banks would also have a say in how much of the proceeds from a sale they get towards paying off debt. Next conference call is in November, when they'll announce some plans for 2007 (as they are in the process right now of solidifying what will happen). Mark did say that not a penny over 100million will be spent when a market analyst asked. He did say it could be less. SFOG did see a decline in attendance for approx. three weeks due to the incident outside the park, and has just started to rebound. Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: THUNDER7NYFL To: RollerCoasterTalk Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SOME LINKS TO A NEWS STORY & THE LINK TO SFI's CONFERENCE CALL TODAY AT 5PM EST An article about CP, CF, and SFI mixed in there.... http://www.fool.com/news/mft/2006/mft06080103.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y Six Flags, Inc. Earnings Conference Call (Q2 2006) Scheduled to start Wed, Aug 2, 2006, 5:00 pm Eastern http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/4/71174.html Hopefully the link will work. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 02 16:39:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60214 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2006 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2006 23:37:36 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2214465uge for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.6 with SMTP id o6mr1825485ugg; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:35:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags LIMs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=4AQvBbld9q-nwb_DdSPGaBTGf4udPPwe_QRDpoBzBRhHQefxzz7OySI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I ubderstand Six Flags is working on solving a problem with the wheels > on their launched coasters. Does anyone know if progress is being > made, or if we might expect to see any of them reopend this year? Just a note that this problem only applied to four coasters in the entire chain (every Premier shuttle coaster except for SFFT's). As of right now, Joker's Jinx at Six Flags America has reopened. SFGAdv's Chiller, SFStL's Mr. Freeze, and SFoT's Mr. Freeze remain closed. Chiller is probably closed for the rest of the year. I don't know about the Mr. Freeze coasters. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 17:24:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79270 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 00:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 00:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 00:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:24:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:24:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:23:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.214 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=rOPuQH7LOuVqdI9B-qBUh5PJmF8Cze1nDkdNjWpERfE7xJ5-0xn6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > True. But you also weren't forced to park in a dirt/gravel lot like > at Little A-Merrick-A and were able to ride coasters that were > actually built after 1970. < But isn't that part of the charm? :-) > If Yankee Harbor's two major attractions (B:TR and V2) don't fit in, > I'm confused how the area is well-themed. ;-) < The concessions and the log flume fit really well into the theme.=20 That's a big chunk of that area. > I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Logger's Run is > intertwined with Yankee Clipper, an Arrow hydroflume built the same > year. < Aha! That explains it.=20 > Yankee Clipper used to only operate on weekends, and I don't > know if that's changed. < I guess not. It was dry. What a shame. I love the old hydroflumes. And there are so few of them left. > But I'm glad to hear someone give this ride some love. < Yeah. I'm not sure why so many people are indifferent to it. I've yet to have a bad ride on it. But then, maybe it's simply a matter of my preference. I like what the ride delivers. > This was done to keep riders' arms inside the car, and in particular > to keep passengers from handslapping with the other train. < Of course, that's a moot point since they really don't race together very often. :-P >> Raging Bull (which we avoided on this trip since last time it had a 3 hour wait) << > Wow! How many trains were they running? < They started with one. Then put another one on after about an hour.=20 Then put another on after another half-hour. We like the ride, but didn't want to take a chance on a long wait in the hot sun. > I would never wait three hours for anything, much > less Raging Bull. You have my sympathy. :) < It still astounds me that some people waited five hours in line to ride SFNE's SROS in its first year -- and were glad they waited! > It is a sort of hybrid between all of the things you mentioned above, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. < No, I don't either. I was just examining the park from a "perfect world" standpoint. It's easy for me to spout my opinions, but I don't have to balance their books. There is only so much a park can do.=20 Rides cost a lot of money. When you buy a B&M, there isn't a lot left over for theming, I'm sure. Overall, I hope my impression of the park was positive, because I do think it's one of the best in the chain. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 17:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28103 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 00:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 00:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 00:28:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:28:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:28:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:28:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060802195243.60307.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.214 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bgMaYOq-SigKTbpC3RLS4K3MkWIdsUsSTCdL_Ew4mGBWAbUf2zv0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Superman has been a cultural icon for > centuries, and is recognizable worldwide. < Ummm...the 1930s may *seem* like centuries ago, but.... ;-P Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 17:31:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98344 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 00:31:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 00:29:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:29:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.214 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=we7ZsruqAOTUzwrikwKzzNxv1M80vjG9_HOHDVxCm0wISOG5idAf X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Haha you can always just have water jets spraying you on the entire=20=20 > ride and call it Katrina: the ride. < Or you could just have an infernally long queue line. When you get to the end, there's nothing there and you walk back out onto the midway. It could be called, "FEMA: The Ride." Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 02 18:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39326 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 01:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 01:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 01:00:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 01:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 01:00:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:00:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=tDWdcLaI90OCJ5X0OckrG5TVNahrKAfNBAgSIj9NPJUC4CqhCFvX X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > > Superman has been a cultural icon for > > centuries, and is recognizable worldwide. < >=20 > Ummm...the 1930s may *seem* like centuries ago, but.... ;-P >=20 > Jay Centuries, decades... what's the difference really? I thought=20 Einstein said time was relative... But I notice no one has taken me up on my challenge yet. I was really=20 hoping to get some good ones out of it too. AFLAC!!! -Brian F.=20=20=20 From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Aug 02 18:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92986 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-45.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 01:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 15666 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2006 01:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 01:20:40 -0000 Received: from pool-72-88-141-210.nwrknj.east.verizon.net ([72.88.141.210] helo=[192.168.1.47]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G8RtA-0006Ai-Pe for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:20:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:23:30 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 72.88.141.210 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=HKENFcynSz3eK6Ph6oM65MG0_l7LNHWs-7SbLEqX0JfTFQpetWrh X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> Superman has been a cultural icon for >>> centuries, and is recognizable worldwide. < >> >> Ummm...the 1930s may *seem* like centuries ago, but.... ;-P >> >> Jay > > Centuries, decades... what's the difference really? I thought > Einstein said time was relative... > > But I notice no one has taken me up on my challenge yet. I was really > hoping to get some good ones out of it too. Hmmm... since the Space Shuttle external tanks are made at Michoud, which is right outside NO, it can be like Mission: Space. You plan to hitch a ride on the external tank into space, but then the piece of foam you were holding onto falls off and you plummet back to earth. Or theme it to Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer... Can't remember if they ever made it down to NO, but they made it all around the Mississippi, which is sort of new orleans-ish. Or don't operate the ride and flood the queue with water, and say it's a ride they imported from six flags new orleans. Hmm... or maybe you can do something like you become a ghost on a plantation. You just died, and like everyone else in the city you're buried above ground (which works since the station is above ground). You escape the burial thing, and then fly around haunting the people below in the queue. But Disney has already done the ghost/new orleans thing. Or call it the mosquito or something. Like theme it to a bayou, and you're a giant mosquito flying around, trying to annoy the hell out of someone. Yeah.. that's all I can come up with. The closest ive been to NO is like Orlando, and I don't even think that counts as being in the south... thats my excuse. Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 03 09:33:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80807 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 16:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 16:33:26 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so922668uge for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr3068448ugh; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:33:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=l74qs-rh0LzvrRDSUvd5meVPtCkis5K-juKo85TzjHObi_0YiAkvtEo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive the long post. There's probably more information here than you ever needed (or wanted) to know. :-) > Route 12 through the lower > Dells is like driving through a combination of Las Vegas and Coney > Island. The strip was wall-to-wall attractions, from "Broadway" > musicals to unusual eateries. I used to think the Dells was the tackiest, most outrageous tourist trap in the country until we went to Dollywood earlier this summer. Pigeon Forge is even worse. But I think the Dells is as tacky (if not tackier) than places like Lake George and Orlando's International Drive. > There was the Tommy Bartlett Show, featuring > "ski, sky and space." Bartlett was a big Wisconsin entrepreneur and > apparently purchased more billboards than anyone should be allowed. Hahaha. If you could point to one person for being responsible for making the Dells what it is today, that person would be Tommy Bartlett. He recognized the natural appeal of the Dells and turned it into a tourist destination with his ski show. I haven't seen the show in many years, but it's actually pretty good. > The most elaborate > was a gargantuan building labeled "Top Secret." > I still have no idea what was inside. I don't either. It's owned by the Laskaris family (who also own Mt. Olympus), but I've never felt any burning desire to visit. Everyone who has gone has said it's an enormous rip-off. > But the object of our attention was Mt. Olympus, formerly Big Chief's > Carts and Coasters. This park began as mainly a collection of > interesting go-karts. Then a wood coaster was added...then another, > and another. Then the owners purchased the waterpark next door and > renamed the place. Interestingly enough, Big Chief originally started as a small go-kart complex off the strip about a half mile from its current location. When they opened their current location, it operated as "Big Chief II" while "Big Chief I" continued to operate. When they turned the park into Mount Olympus, they essentially abandoned Big Chief I, taking only the go-karts with them. Big Chief I now sits rotting away in the woods. I still remember when Big Chief II was about a quarter of its current size. The Laskaris then purchased the go-kart park next to theirs, which included everything between Pegasus and the waterpark. Last year they entered into a profit-sharing agreement with the owners of Treasure Island and what was formerly known as Family Land waterpark. Even more interesting, Family Land used to have its own amusement park with a small rollercoaster, bumper boats, and several flat rides including a large swinging ship that was located about where the indoor waterpark is now. After several years and several changes in ownership, it's back to being an amusement park again. > If Mt. Olympus hadn't become the > biggest, baddest place on the block, it would have been buried by the > competition. Definitely. The Dells used to have at least ten small go-kart parks and attractions. Mt. Olympus has essentially squeezed all but one or two of them out of business because they dared to spend the money to constantly beef up their offerings. It's especially amazing knowing how they started as a tiny park that wasn't even on the strip. I'm sure the coasters were originally a big part of the draw that other parks didn't have. Now I'm sure the waterpark is doing wonders for their attendance. I don't have any figures, but I'd imagine they've been some serious competition for Noah's Ark, which used to be king over everything else. > With all the visual chaos around me, I spotted the entrance on the > left. The small parking lot there was nearly empty, and > there was thankfully no charge to park. You definitely missed the main entrance, but I'm sure you figured that out later when you rode Hades. :) Most people park in the lot up on the hill near Hades' turnaround. The entrance you used is generally used by hotel guests and those wishing to visit the waterpark. It's quite a walk between the two entrances! > The park offered several options: just the > waterparks, just the coasters, go-karts and coasters, or the whole > shebang. We weren't going to the waterpark, so we got the go-kart and > coaster wristband. There was even an option just to walk around the park. Interesting! This park seems to change their ticket options every other week. Last year I think they changed about eight times. I don't know how they keep their online sales department up-to-date. My guess is they're slowly trying many options to see what works best for them. On one hand, I think the POP has done well in that it traps people into buying one expensive ticket and spending the whole day there. On the other hand, it keeps out the few people who only planned on dropping in for a go-kart ride or two now that they're one of the only places in town. > On the > left was a gigantic row of grecian columns in front of a tent-like > building that looked sort of like a temporary army barracks. This was > the new Parthenon indoor amusement park. I haven't been inside the Parthenon yet, but I'm happy they did some theming work to the outside. For awhile it was just sitting there as a big, ugly tent. The inside looks like it could still use some work though. > Karen was brave > and decided to take a chance on Opa, as did the girls. Heather and I > had ridden Exterminator and knew what to expect. > I thought it was interesting that the cars didn't actually begin spinning until they > reached the trigger on the second level of the structure. Although they do have the ability to spin for the entire course, every one of these rides that I've seen has operated in this manner (no spinning until halfway through). I don't think there are any of them in the country that operate any differently. > At the back end of the Parthenon stood about a dozen yellow columns, > about twelve feet tall. They didn't seem to have a purpose and looked > as if they were just being stored there. Odd. Mt. Olympus is perpetually under construction. I know that everytime I went last year there was some new ride, attraction, or theming touch. They've done an amazing job turning what was once a parking lot into a well-landscaped and well-themed park. Perhaps those columns will be put to use inside the Parthenon. I believe the park does all of their theming and sign construction in-house. They have an amazing sign shop - probably one of the best in the industry! > To our left was a large building, looking convincingly like a > remnant from ancient Greece, that sported the Mt. Olympus logo on it. This entire building showed up about halfway through last season. Mt. Olympus is like an RCT park; things seem to just show up overnight. > To the right was a fenced-in pond that contained fountains, geese and > mountain goats. Even more bizarre additions! Mountain goats?? > In front of the fence was a Robocoaster, not really a > coaster at all but basically a robotic assembly arm affixed with two > seats. Passengers were secured with over-the-shoulder harnesses and > then the arm went through its motions, whipping the people around and > spinning them mercilessly. It looked violent and extremely > uncomfortable. And it is. I think the concept could be put to good use, but the more extreme programs are downright painful. I believe there are six programs to choose from, ranging from "gentle" to "extreme." I think the kids can choose from the first three or four programs. The adults, of course, always choose one of the last two and probably end up regretting it. Last year program one was free to all guests. This (and Disc'o) also showed up halfway through last season, and were purchased from other parks in the Dells. > The park seemed > to have the queuing process down to a science. It sure seems that way, but working the go-karts was anything but easy. Cars were always spinning out of control, breaking down, running out of gas, or doing other odd things that nobody was prepared for. The poor attendant who needs to hold back one lane of cars while the other is allowed to proceed risks getting run over all day, as the idiots told to wait are always pushing on the gas while the attendant fights to hold them back with his or her foot. People become maniacs once they get behind the wheel of a go-kart, plain and simple. > The attendants looked really hot and tired. When I worked there they treated their employees like crap. And working the go-karts is unbelievably exhausting. Breaks were taken when you were told you could have one. We never had water jugs, there were no drinking fountains, and we were charged for cups. The pay sucked, and employees had to buy their own uniforms. I realize that working at an amusement park is not an easy job, but we were treated far worse than the average amusement park employee. I hope to God this has changed. > As I expected when kids were at the wheel, occasionally a smark aleck > would decide to play bumper cars, often when returning to the station. > But the park had a good way of dealing with that. That works well with kids, but just imagine when some huge guy who looks like a professional wrestler pulls the same crap on the go-kart course. They always took bumping/ramming with the go-karts very seriously, but it's not always easy to enforce. Some of the crowd would seriously threaten your life if you tried to correct their actions. > We walked past Dive to Atlantis, which > the park advertised as a coaster. It was really a shoot-the-chutes > ride with a dip in the track. It looked a bit barren, with a nice > archway out front but nothing else around it. A few of those styrofoam > columns scattered about might have looked nice, or maybe even some trees. This thing is a piece of junk, no doubt about it. I believe it takes about nine minutes (no exaggeration!) for the boats to float through the course. It has some broken columns throughout the course, but trees are what it really needs. This was built on top of a blacktop parking lot and an old maintenance shed, so it is rather amazing what they've done with it. > On some it was > actually pretty effective, because the brakes would let the train ease > down the drop very gradually. Interestingly, Hades is the only coaster in the park with a computer system. Pegasus, Cyclops, and Zeus are all operated manually. All the braking is done by the ride operator. > Cyclops was the first wooden coaster the park built, in 1995. > > Wo we queued up for the front seat. The girls lined up > for the second seat. The best seat on this ride is undoubtedly the back. I'm not sure there's any coaster out there that gives a more insane pop of air than Cyclops in the back seat. > Next door was Pegasus, so we decided to try that. > I liked it > better than Cyclops. There was more variety and the ride put a smile > on my face. They've obviously done some work to this ride, as it used to be a rough piece of crap. The turn into the station is downright violent in the front of the train though, and I'm surprised it didn't bother you. > The coaster's statistics were impressive: a 150 foot drop and over > 4700 feet of track. We wandered through the appropriately desolate > queue line, filled with large stones. I don't know why the park covered the ground in stones; it always struck me as odd. What purpose do they serve? > Mt. Olympus certainly created a world-class coaster. But it might also end > up being a world-class headache. The track through the tunnel was > taken at such high speed, it'll surely be a maintenance problem. And > the rigidness of the steel structure will probably cause even more > wear on the track. It might. But I assume the Gravity Group knows what they're doing, and they seemed to have learned from some of the mistakes CCI made. I'm sure the fact that the crazy portion of Hades is underground will help with maintenance since it's not exposed to rain and snow. It's been running for a year now, and if it hasn't shaken itself to pieces yet, I think (hope?) it will be okay. > We needed another break after that, so we stopped into the stunning > (and air conditioned) Delphi Coffee and Gift Shop. The exterior had > the same ancient Greek look of the other buildings, but it was > circular and completely surrounded by mirrored windows. This building was the park offices while it was still Big Chief (minus the Greek theming). :) > The structure of a new building was going up next door. It > looked like a smaller version of the Parthenon. I wonder what that will be. Another food shop on this side of the park wouldn't be a bad idea. > We headed back out onto the midway. Liz really wanted to try the > Trojan Horse go-karts. This is my favorite go-kart track in the park because of the crazy speed you get when coming off the horse. The portion of the track that is not around the horse is built on top of what used to be the parking lot when it was still Big Chief. You wouldn't even know that now. > We walked back down the hill. There was another larger entrance coming > from the big parking lot where Hade's turnaround was. But the path > down from the entrance area had been blocked off. That's odd. You're talking about the path that parallels Cyclops' big drop down the hillside? I don't know why that would be blocked off, since it's the main entrance into the park. > We stopped at the entrance to Medusa's Drop, the go-kart > intertwined with Pegasus. > It was a nice effect. I got to the > top of the helix, and to my surprise the track dropped out from under > me into a steep double dip. That's actually a *triple* dip! You can't beat airtime on a go-kart. :) > I wanted to cool off on Dive to > Atlantis. So as the girls headed for the shop, Karen and I lined up > for the "water coaster." This ride can crank through less than 150pph. Did I mention it's a piece of junk? You're actually quite lucky you didn't ride, as you would have been completely soaked. The splash doesn't look that soaking, but water just seems to pour in from everywhere. It's crazy. > There was > a slight hold-up when one of the cars died in the station. The > attendant walked over to it and fiddled with the engine. Then he > reached behind and pull-started it, just like an old lawnmower. After > a few tugs, the engine started. Do you know how much training those poor attendants get on go-kart maintenance? If you guessed "none," you'd be right. About the only thing we were told was "don't get hit." Apparently go-kart drivers tend to steer their cars toward people who happen to be standing in the track. > We had one more coaster to try: Zeus. > I thought this was the most enjoyable coaster in the park. It was > punchy but not extreme, filled with airtime and lateral forces. Before Hades, this was easily my favorite coaster in the park. It wa awfully rough last year, but I know they did a lot of maintenance on it. The parking lot to the right of the coaster used to be all forest (see http://www.geocities.com/crossroads2002online/coasters/pictures/zeus.jpg ). Night rides used to be fantastic. This one is best in the front, so I'm glad you got a ride up there. > We had a great time at Mt. Olympus. If we go back to the Dells again, > we'll certainly stop there. Next time you should consider stopping by Timber Falls for a ride or two on their S&S wooden coaster, Avalanche. It's the best coaster in the Dells, and the cheapest to ride too. > The park could have used more food > choices. How about having some baklava carts? Or baklava on a stick? > Or lamb kabobs? They started serving gyros at some point last season in the big, long building near the Disc'o. Is that place gone now? > The greek theming has great potential for expansion. Agreed. They've done a fantastic job so far for a park of that size, and I'm interested to see where they go next. > I realize that prefabricated rides like Opa > and Disk-O require less initial financial investment than something > like Hades or Poseidon. But I hope that the management continues its > "Carts and Coasters" tradition of unique rides. I think they go-karts will always be a part of the park because they're a big draw. But they are low capacity, and the park could use a nice flat ride package to scatter around the park. A cheaper looping coaster sometime down the road would be nice also. Once again, thanks for the TR! -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 03 14:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57474 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 21:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 21:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 21:02:10 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so239368uge for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr3447298ugh; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:57:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=4_crhHrGXi3QDil_j0HHrjm_ldyjT-XuOwG_H4x-j1hX9MV_qSfkeEw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 [American Eagle] > > This was done to keep riders' arms inside the car, and in particular > > to keep passengers from handslapping with the other train. < > Of course, that's a moot point since they really don't race together > very often. :-P The past few years they had been racing all the time, provided that both sides were open and loading of one side wasn't severely delayed. I have no idea why that's changed, but it's disappointing. Then again, the racing aspect never really seemed to work correctly, as the two sides have different braking patterns and, it seems, different chain speeds. > >> Raging Bull (which we avoided on this trip since last time it had a > 3 hour wait) << > They started with one. Then put another one on after about an hour. > Then put another on after another half-hour. We like the ride, but > didn't want to take a chance on a long wait in the hot sun. They must not have been anticipating crowds that weekend. Or else they were having problems with the ride. I haven't seen Raging Bull running just one train in forever. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 15:59:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19198 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 22:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 22:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 22:54:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 22:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2006 22:54:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:54:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8hN6MAxmOhjJIhTwrIDvlYE-2_PLmO8lR50HP4B7TcERUb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > Or you could just have an infernally long queue line. When you get to > the end, there's nothing there and you walk back out onto the midway. > It could be called, "FEMA: The Ride." > Jay Of course the queue would have you wading through knee-high water. -Alan From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 16:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73276 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 23:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29373 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2006 23:53:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20060803235316.29371.qmail@web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:53:16 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=elA1isuFbDnufO8AebXq0ExgRl4h_HG03xbZGaNP-TQTDWe9 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > The past few years they had been racing all the > time, provided that > both sides were open and loading of one side wasn't > severely delayed. > I have no idea why that's changed, but it's > disappointing. Then > again, the racing aspect never really seemed to work > correctly, as the > two sides have different braking patterns and, it > seems, different > chain speeds. Moreover, there was time, way back in the dark ages, before I was even a teener =], they not only would race the trains, but they would stop the trains at the top of the lift with holding brakes (Sheikra-style) to ensure a 'fair race'. I was way too much a pus to actually ride it back then so I have no idea if the big helix trim and little helix trim were on then. But I seem to recall riding in the early 90's without the little helix trims. I recall it tear-assing around the bends! Check this out: http://www.joyrides.com/sfgam/american_eagle.htm I believe the U-shaped pieces are the old mounting brackets for the holding brakes. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 03 18:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83122 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 01:05:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2599 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 01:05:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060804010521.2595.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.247.136] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:05:21 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-lYPzziHjGni4jQ7CBjTQSIIovQ_OtOUQmoAZSYU_Du-rs7gtxYl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your great TR reply, Nate! Your anecdotes were very interesting. And that pic of Zeus before the parking lot is amazing. It doesn't look like the same park. > [Top Secret] is owned by the Laskaris family (who also own Mt. Olympus), but I've never felt any burning desire to visit. Everyone who has gone has said it's an enormous rip-off. < That's what I've heard too. But if the Laskaris family owns it and it's right next to the Mt. Olympus parking lot, why not just include it as another attraction in the park? It's a gargantuan piece of real estate. > Big Chief originally started as a small go-kart complex off the strip about a half mile from its current location. < That's wild. I would never have guessed that. The park looks so rooted in its present location. > It's quite a walk between the two entrances! < Yeah, we found that out! :-P > For awhile it was just sitting there as a big, ugly tent. < Well, it's *still* a big ugly tent. But it's coming along. > They have an amazing sign shop - probably one of the best in the industry! < Yeah, I did notice that. They seem to love styrofoam at that place. Most of the signs were 3-D and appeared to be sculpted out of styrofoam. > Even more bizarre additions! Mountain goats?? < It seemed to be their attempt at a petting zoo. There were little hand-cranked feed dispensers. Three mountain goats were climbing on small boulders next to the pond. A gaggle of geese was clumped in the corner. And some ducks were waddling around looking for food. > It sure seems that way, but working the go-karts was anything but easy. < Wow. You actually worked those things? I would have assumed that the fumes alone would eventually cause you to collapse. > Breaks were taken when you were told you could have one. We never had water jugs, there were no drinking fountains, and we were charged for cups. < That's unconscionable. No wonder some of the workers looked like they were ready to kill. If the park wants to encourage good customer relations, they'd better start by treating their workers well -- especially international workers who, if treated badly, will return to their home countries and spread the word that the U.S. sucks. That's what happened at SFNE. > This thing is a piece of junk, no doubt about it. I believe it takes about nine minutes (no exaggeration!) for the boats to float through the course. < Yeah, but there's so much to see! :-P That's really bizarre. I guess Miler (who's credited with the fabrication) needs to learn a bit more about water flow. Either that, or they could turn the thing into an Old Mill ride -- completely enclose it. "Escape from Atlantis!" > Pegasus, Cyclops, and Zeus are all operated manually. < I saw an old-style wooden brake handle in one of the stations, I think Pegasus'...but it was used to lock and unlock the lap bars. > They've obviously done some work to this ride, as it used to be a rough piece of crap. The turn into the station is downright violent in the front of the train though, and I'm surprised it didn't bother you. < It was fine when we rode it. I didn't notice any extreme forces. There were lots of laterals, but nothing painful. > I don't know why the park covered the ground in stones; it always struck me as odd. What purpose do they serve? < It's Hades. Maybe it's supposed to look like hell. I thought it provided a nice contrast to the rest of the park, and it certainly felt desolate. > I'm sure the fact that the crazy portion of Hades is underground will help with maintenance since it's not exposed to rain and snow. < That's a really good point. The constant dampness down there probably helps the track a bit, since the wood doesn't dry out as much. > That's odd. You're talking about the path that parallels Cyclops' big drop down the hillside? I don't know why that would be blocked off, since it's the main entrance into the park.< Yeah, I know. It didn't make sense to me either. I wanted to walk up there and check out the other entrance and get some more shots of the coasters, but portable metal fence units were placed across the entire path. I found it especially odd, since cars were parked in the upper lot. How did people get in? > Next time you should consider stopping by Timber Falls for a ride or two on their S&S wooden coaster, Avalanche. < Shoot -- I didn't even think about that place. I wish we had gotten to Little Amerricka too. I know that it isn't high on many lists, but I like small family-run operations like that. > They started serving gyros at some point last season in the big, long building near the Disc'o. < But that was quite a walk from where the coasters were. The only other food place besides the scattered concession carts was Medusa's Cafe, which really didn't offer much. "Guest 321 is hungry and can't find anywhere to eat." > A cheaper looping coaster sometime down the road would be nice also. < I guess that will eventually happen to please the G.P. But I hope they continue adding unique wood coasters and go-kart tracks. For me, what made Mt. Olympus stand out from the pack was their unique offerings. I'm not sure I want them becoming more like a standard amusement park. Glad you enjoyed the TR! Jay --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Aug 04 05:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71520 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2006 12:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2006 12:32:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:32:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: SFGram theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=YoRHsPbxryeUvMpnocFRfw11-K_jMVGzBAPlvmaVslB6Ho8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > > It could be called, "FEMA: The Ride." =20 > Of course the queue would have you wading through knee-high water. And the tagline would naturally be, "Brownie, it's one heck of a ride!" Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Aug 04 09:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32191 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 15:58:26 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so41801ugc for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr4684539ugg; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:58:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060804010521.2595.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060804010521.2595.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cQ0N0r1b_QdaxZJ3Rz1owWG21wZgzlEkPOzkQ5_pEGEULGcyWVPZe7I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > [Top Secret] > But if the Laskaris family owns it and it's right next to the Mt. Olympus parking lot, why not just include it > as another attraction in the park? It's a gargantuan piece of real estate. Because they can make extra money by selling it as a separate attraction. :-) I do think it's weird that they don't offer any sort of package deal to try to entice guests of one attraction to try the other. Perhaps eventually Mt. Olympus will expand that far out, but I think that's many, many years away. > > Big Chief originally started as a small go-kart complex off the strip about a half mile from its current > > location. > That's wild. I would never have guessed that. The park looks so rooted in its present location. I should dig out some pictures of the park before all the landscaping they dumped in two years ago. It used to be all weeds and pavement. There weren't any of the nice paths they have now; it was all wide paved streets running through the property. It looks extraordinary now in comparison. There are some older pictures of the place here: http://www.ratethedells.com/propertyInfo.cfm?propertyID=171#photoArea Note the old parking lot by Zeus' turnaround, the parking lot in front of the castle (which is now a lake in front of the long crumbling Greek building), Some other cool pictures of Big Chief before it was Mount Olympus: http://www.coastergrotto.com/photo.jsp?pic=BCKCZeus01.jpg http://www.rcdb.com/ig161.htm?picture=4 http://www.rcdb.com/ig161.htm?picture=3 http://www.rcdb.com/ig161.htm?picture=7 http://www.themeparkreview.com/bigchief/bigchief.htm http://www.themeparkreview.com/midwest03/dells/dells2.htm I found another couple cool pictures of Zeus pre-parking lot too: http://www.coastergallery.com/2001/BC13.html http://www.coastergrotto.com/photo.jsp?pic=BCKCZeus03.jpg > > For awhile it was just sitting there as a big, ugly tent. > Well, it's *still* a big ugly tent. But it's coming along. I wonder what their long term plans are for it. I'm more concerned about how the inside looks than the outside right now; I've heard it looks like a large warehouse in there. > They seem to love styrofoam at that place. Most of the signs were 3-D and appeared to be sculpted out > of styrofoam. Yeah. It's cheap and it's easily sculpted. But the theming and signs they've done with it are amazing. > Wow. You actually worked those things? I would have assumed that the fumes alone would eventually > cause you to collapse. I worked at Big Chief for about six days. I quit for a number of reasons, and it wasn't only because we weren't treated well. I hated working the go-karts (I had been promised a position on Zeus that never happened). But more than that, it was a 45 minute drive and the pay wasn't enough to warrant that. I could tell you some very good stories about those six days though (like the time I was put on the go-karts by myself with no training on how to start them and no radio to call for help). :) > If the park wants to encourage good customer relations, they'd better start by treating their workers well -> - especially international workers who, if treated badly, will return to their home countries and spread the > word that the U.S. sucks. That's what happened at SFNE. Agreed. I'm hoping things have improved. Although the park is still being run by the same family, Nick seems to have a better idea of what operating a theme park is than his father did. His father certainly pioneered the business, but Nick has made it what it is now. > > Pegasus, Cyclops, and Zeus are all operated manually. < > I saw an old-style wooden brake handle in one of the stations, I think Pegasus'...but it was used to lock > and unlock the lap bars. Yeah, I don't know what's up with Pegasus' lapbar release lever. None of the other coasters have levers, of course, but they're still manually operated. The ride ops have to physically push buttons to release the brakes; it's not computer controlled. Technically speaking, you could not touch the panel and it would bring the train to a stop, but you're going to give the passengers some serious whiplash. So as a ride op on Zeus, Cylops, or Pegasus, you have to learn how to pump the brakes as the train is coming into them to bring it to a gradual stop. It made working the coasters a lot more fun, and a lot more challenging. It's far more difficult to bring those heavy trains to a gradual stop than I thought it would be. > I wanted to walk up there and check out the other entrance and get some more shots of the coasters, but > portable metal fence units were placed across the entire path. I found it especially odd, since cars were > parked in the upper lot. How did people get in? There's a maintenance entrance off the parking lot that comes down the hill between Zeus and Cyclops and connects with the main path near the Hades station. Perhaps they were routing people down that way, though I have no idea why. > Shoot -- I didn't even think about that place. I wish we had gotten to Little Amerricka too. I know that it > isn't high on many lists, but I like small family-run operations like that. Little A-Merrick-A is a cute park, especially if you're into trains at all. It will be nice once Meteor is finished. Don't miss Avalanche next time, though. It's really insane for how small it is. You can see a good portion of it from the top of Hades, but I'm guessing your eyes were focused elsewhere. :-) Glad you had a good time! -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 04 09:37:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24277 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2006 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2006 16:34:02 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail2.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.152]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k74GXg3j023990 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:33:42 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:33:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060804010521.2595.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060804010521.2595.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64F04CB6-260B-47B6-8952-3964156330AF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:33:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2006 16:33:19.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[B180B820:01C6B7E3] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=IUXlwCKTH5x4edOSfTNcKa_ytDzPFh57ixFOydw9vKyFpui7 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I guess that will eventually happen to please the G.P. But I hope > they continue adding unique wood coasters and go-kart tracks. For > me, what made Mt. Olympus stand out from the pack was their unique > offerings. I'm not sure I want them becoming more like a standard > amusement park. So far everything they've done has been different and original .. I'm confident that they will continue down the same path. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's drinking * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the water!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 04 18:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55746 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 01:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 01:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 01:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 49406 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2006 01:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20060805010058.49404.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.11.249] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:00:58 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qzYjRYRsfTlqhVz9Rhn6DndU-fVMRNzBGLFPwxB4Lhrpj3tGtfX6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > There are some older pictures of the place here < Wow! Those pics of Big Chief are amazing. Is that the same Roman soldier = in those pics that's now on top of the new entrance? (see > http://www.kar= enandjay.com/trips/mtolympus06/entrance2.jpg <) > I've heard it looks like a large warehouse in there. < It reminded me more of an exhibition hall at a county fair, a place where l= ivestock would be on display. And as I said in the TR, all of the rides th= ere looked very temporary, like carnival rides just plopped onto the concre= te slabs for now with the intention of moving them. I wonder if maybe it w= as a ride rental package? > So as a ride op on Zeus, Cylops, or Pegasus, you have to learn how to pum= p the brakes as the train is coming into them to bring it to a gradual stop= . It made working the coasters a lot more fun, and a lot more challenging. = It's far more difficult to bring those heavy trains to a gradual stop than= I thought it would be. < You should have tried working with the old floor levers. *That* was a chal= lenge! When I ran the Thunderbolt at Riverside many years ago, it had a co= mbinations of the big push-buttons for lap bar release and other things, bu= t the brakes were run with joystick-like handles on the panel. I thought t= hat was really intelligent. Buttons just aren't intuitive for braking. Be= tter yet would be foot pedals. I think it's so important for parks to understand that when you give a work= er a little more responsibility, the worker usually will stay alert more an= d take a little more pride in the job. When everything is given over to co= mputer control, that's when an operator is likely to not pay attention or e= ven fall asleep -- because the job requires no intellectual investment. Of= course, manual control means that the operators must be very well trained. > There's a maintenance entrance off the parking lot that comes down the hill between Zeus and Cyclops and connects with the main path near the Hades station. Perhaps they were routing people down that way, though I have no idea why. < Interesting. There was a lot of foot traffic in that area, so you may be r= ight. > Don't miss Avalanche next time, though. It's really insane for how small it is. You can see a good portion of it from the top of Hades, but I'm guessing your eyes were focused elsewhere. :-) < You better believe it! So was Timber Falls the park across the road with t= he giant Ferris wheel? If you say yes I'm going to kick myself, because we= drove right by the place (when we went to have a look at Top Secret) and I= didn't even notice a coaster there. In fact, I didn't even notice the nam= e Timber Falls. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Aug 04 20:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17953 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 03:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 03:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 03:09:06 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x4so1614116nfb for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr1799958hue; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30608042009o5aaad07aqc08aec08f654bb67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:09:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060805010058.49404.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060805010058.49404.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Mt. Olympus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Y0lda5JyAPMkal2oJH9fJhxIkdO25WZ6hXQ1nmqQkWZ5b8qt X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 8/4/06, Jay Ducharme wrote: > You better believe it! So was Timber Falls the park across the road with the giant Ferris wheel? If you say yes I'm going to kick myself, because we drove right by the place (when we went to have a look at Top Secret) and I didn't even notice a coaster there. In fact, I didn't even notice the name Timber Falls. Nope across the street with the ferris wheel is Riverview, but if you'd continued down that direction to the light (not far at all) you would have spotted Timber Falls there. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Aug 05 07:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96471 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2006 14:36:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2006 14:36:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:36:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=XL66hhcjRAKi4L2zVUNaaOaCvZ9TuHn9_KW-oVyPSTcUE-kVDD4COKv0QA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 just wanted to bump this up in case anyone missed it. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or 8/20? i=20 > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a=20 > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Aug 05 13:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 485 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653245hfc223.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.45.223]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k75JxqRl010010 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c6b8c9$b762f190$df2d2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:59:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=DWZYaXPUL-_VyxD2nuHGKYH5lQypAkf-mZ4m3xxIf1fJ6AYea1Jd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Out of the three days, which one is preferred? Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: hey tampa folks just wanted to bump this up in case anyone missed it. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or 8/20? i > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Aug 05 16:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14016 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2006 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2006 23:24:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2006 23:24:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2006 23:24:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:24:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c6b8c9$b762f190$df2d2041@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.35.151.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=KD6gTZfpIPDABlVzlR5Wl0OSHouxmv8Bk5DLTcWCXn-EgEfnLmcHXG3kPg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 honestly its no difference to me. whatever works for anyone else=20 that can go.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > > Out of the three days, which one is preferred? >=20 > Joe > Tampa, FL >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Doug Nelson=20 > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:36 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: hey tampa folks >=20 >=20 > just wanted to bump this up in case anyone missed it. >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 > wrote: > > > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or=20 8/20? i=20 > > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post a=20 > > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sun Aug 06 08:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14069 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653245hfc223.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.45.223]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k76F6i9C011076 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6b969$ef0dc700$df2d2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:06:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: WDW TO RAISE TICKET PRICES AGAIN - HMMM, SFI INFLUENCE??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=s4toNw9zSdMRRAiWi0S2B4bH8_yByNA8jbzP5wAF2fU4TWv0xuIL X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One-day admission up $4, or 6.3% - the second increase this year. Here's the link: http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/06/news/companies/disney.reut/index.htm Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sun Aug 06 10:32:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45770 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 17:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 17:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 17:26:44 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (653245hfc223.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.45.223]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k76GUZIK000286 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c6b975$a5c37480$df2d2041@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <000601c6b969$ef0dc700$df2d2041@THUNDER7NYFL> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:30:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: WDW TO RAISE TICKET PRICES AGAIN - HMMM, SFI INFLUENCE??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=aejwCDG29viyFZz48lHrNtAG7dL48ujAqzcSOFSJ0sI_7gkTo6K9 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just kidding.... I know it's the other way around. Joe Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: THUNDER7NYFL To: RollerCoasterTalk Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: WDW TO RAISE TICKET PRICES AGAIN - HMMM, SFI INFLUENCE??? One-day admission up $4, or 6.3% - the second increase this year. Here's the link: http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/06/news/companies/disney.reut/index.htm Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 06 13:40:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15000 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2006 20:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2006 20:38:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:38:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.236.13 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: New CP coaster (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Vz18HACvfLFiytMR5GXXe3SPiYycOAsr-3otdPM26rUKYJAGujCB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I've been browsing through PointExtreme's pics of the construction progress. > http://www.pointxtreme.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=3D195 < I would expect that to make placement a little easier, all of the shorter supports would get assembled first. But it currently appears that there are *lots* of short supports. Also, the track pieces seem fairly straight. There aren't many arched pieces, and those that there are seem pretty mild. Obviously it's still early in the construction phase. Anyone have any guesses as to what this coaster's going to be? Another low-to-the-ground Millennium Force? The first Intamin dark ride? A new platform for the fireworks displays? Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Aug 06 13:46:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94085 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 20:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2006 20:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2006 20:45:43 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.be4.19fe27f (29678) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:45:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: New CP coaster (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=66zsHcB55FgU6gK3khL_xE4QZGSRd54AFY49mqGU3dxc9eIj8g X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You were right, its actually a new platform for the fireworks displays! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Aug 06 21:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41145 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 04:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 04:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 04:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29812 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 04:54:34 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Aug 2006 04:54:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:54:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: New CP coaster (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hjoXhhZGhFGGuvqHTe88bMAhJlqAPzha3iTMho_4Jn1auakG X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Another low-to-the-ground Millennium Force? 310 feet is low to the ground?!?! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 07 04:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28866 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 11:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 11:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 11:13:06 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GA32W-0005Kx-PF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44D72041.6090103@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:13:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784c5237a09956e405a8ec5008978b58903a8ae22b42a439f0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags park maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=d01V8jSAWivQGgQYbJfH9TubRUyCf9MauDVV1AL0K6M-rp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just getting caught up on Jay's TR (which was great btw), and did want to comment/ shill on this: jay_ducharme wrote: > > BTW, speaking of maps, I got an interesting souvenir at the park: a > bundled collection of large maps from every Six Flags park. It was > created for the chain's 45th anniversary. It's probably available at > other SF parks as well. > I keep hearing about these maps, and they sound like a nice deal that the chain did. But have to ask/ beg/ etc, since there's pretty much no chance I'm going to be able to make it to any Six Flags park this year- did anyone by chance get some extras, or will be able to get some extras, that they would be willing to part with? I'd love to have some for my own collection, but pretty much have no way to get them without buying them from someone here... Thanks George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 07 04:31:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37082 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 11:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 11:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 11:29:17 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GA3Gs-0003zi-MX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44D723BC.4030308@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:27:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784c5237a09956e4053f165d02a20646de39c6866ac79c7477350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7gY0jWZKmvqbgqeZCK3tepNv0RzVbu5ku0J4Cxl-fOr9SBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Piggy-backing a few comments here... Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > Parking cost $15, which had > > become standard at Six Flags parks. It cost more just to park there > > than it cost for a whole day of fun at Wisconsin's Little Amerricka. > > True. But you also weren't forced to park in a dirt/gravel lot like > at Little A-Merrick-A and were able to ride coasters that were > actually built after 1970. :-) yeah, but when Six Flags is charging $5-6 more for parking than Disney is... :) > > Actually, I think S:UF is just as impressive as Shockwave ever was > when driving into the parking lot. Maybe it's the bright red track or > the rather convoluted layout. I also think it looks nicer now that > the parking lot has been torn up underneath the ride. Can't comment really on how Superman looks, but Shockwave was a pretty impressive site at the time. At least you're not looking down on parking spots anymore. > > Viper is good, but not *really* good IMO. It's a surprisingly tame > coaster. It has some nice floaty airtime and it's very well > maintained, but I prefer my rides to be more intense than Viper is. > It's too bad you missed it though. It is to bad you missed it Jay. I'll have to slightly disagree with Nate though in that I found Viper to be an excellent coaster that is still a favorite of mine. I'd happily visit the park again just to ride it. It has it's moments of intensity, but it's also very rerideable, which is one thing that I really liked about it. Vertical Velocity doesn't really fit, but it doesn't stick > out either. They unfortunately lost the lighthouse when constructing > it, but kept both ponds around the ride. It has arguably the best > setting of any coaster in the park. I'd also go on to say that Vertical Velocity also has the best setting of any of the impulse coasters that I've been on, and there's only one in the states that I'm missing. I really loved how they put it in. But, in fairness, when I visited I also commented on the theming of it. The others, including Nate, might recall some of the ideas that we tossed around to make it a bit of a better fit theming wise. > > The old-style 3-bench PTC trains were unusual because > > of the bizarre headrests on them, not only on the backs of the seats > > but on the sides as well. > > This was done to keep riders' arms inside the car, and in particular > to keep passengers from handslapping with the other train. To bad. Thats one of those little things that helps to make a racing coaster so much fun. But then I can't say I don't understand why they did it eiter. > Demon was built many years before Southwest Territory existed, > although having not visited the park prior to 1996, I have no idea if > the rock through the loop was there prior to Southwest Territory or > not. Yes, it was there, along with more "rockage" originally, as I recall. PGA has now removed some of it, including the rocks through the loop, which is to bad. I was pleased with how many of effects that SFGrAm tried to keep going on their version though. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 07 07:54:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62239 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 14:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 14:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 14:54:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 14:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 14:54:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:54:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement Park Geneva-On-The-Lake to Close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mSahq5m2f7X4wWojPGE9_Mo8MfftcRSs4K5O9EolvXITtLE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 7, 2006 The Associated Press WTOL 11 http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D5228612&nav=3Dmenu34_6 By A.Baker GENEVA-ON-THE-LAKE, OH -- After more than 60 years, a small amusement=20 park in northeast Ohio will close for good when its summer season=20 ends. The family that owns Erieview Park in the Lake Erie resort=20 village of Geneva-on-the-Lake says it plans to redevelop the property=20 into a new business, but it's not providing further details. Don Woodward says his grandfather opened Erieview as a park for=20 children in 1945. Adult rides and waterslides were added starting in=20 the 1980s. Woodward says Erieview has been a good business and shutting it down=20 is difficult. But he says his family believes it can do better. Geneva-on-the-Lake is about 50 miles east of Cleveland along the lake. -------=20 Copyright 2000 - 2006 WorldNow and WTOL, a Raycom Media Station From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 07 08:09:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58539 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 15:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 15:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 15:09:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 15:08:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 15:08:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:08:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mPHDa53VMzUVg1aaoiKGJCeba0gWnS9uu3w2jdrcXOHlkwU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 5, 2006 THE KENTUCKY STANDARD http://www.kystandard.com/articles/2006/08/07/news/columns/editorial04 .txt by BOB WHITE Santa Claus, Ind. -- I guess all of us are guilty of making poor=20 assumptions at one point or another, but sometimes things seem to be=20 such a given it's hard to believe it's an assumption at all. My girlfriend and I recently got a bit of a wake-up call to=20 that "don't assume anything" lesson of which has been taught to all=20 of us since kindergarten. It started out so simple - a spontaneous trip to Holiday World to=20 make the most of a Sunday afternoon for us and the kids. Can't go wrong with that, right? For the most part, no, it's tough to go wrong with a kiddy trip to a=20 theme park. But the baggage of assumption we often take with us can=20 skew a day of fun. The first ride we hit at the park was the bumper boats. Nothing beats=20 starting the day of fun with a splash. You're always forced to remain=20 active thereafter just to keep enough air moving to dry your butt off=20 afterward. So after that, my girlfriend's eldest, an 11-y.o. boy full of energy,=20 and I went straight for the Liberty Launch - a free fall ride that=20 was sure to dry our shorts as we launched into the air and floated=20 back down to the ground. The girls - well they headed to a doll display across the way where=20 some high-powered floor ventilation dried them off for the most part. Making it from soaking wet to merely damp, we s were looking for a=20 ride all could enjoy that would also fulfill the damp/dry cycle for=20 which we were looking. And there, towering above the Halloween portion of HW was the=20 spinning, tilting, highly adorned giant swings. Perfect. It was just what we were looking for - a simple ride=20 suitable for all ages that would keep us moving through the air long=20 enough to take our damp shorts to bone dry. The kids hurried into the line, climbing over and ducking under the=20 labyrinth of hand-railings designed to fit the greatest volume of=20 awaiting swingers in as little space as possible. All the kids' eyes watched as the moving ride came to a slow to bring=20 the happy swingers back down to terra firma and again load up with=20 smiling faces and excited park visitors. As the ride attendant opened the gate, eager swingers filed to their=20 colorful seats suspended by shiny chrome chains covered with a=20 protective plastic sleeve to keep little fingers from being pinched. This version sure beat the `carny' version at the county fair in=20 class, style, safety and cleanliness. "What a perfect ride for all of=20 us," I thought as I joined the kids in taking a seat. But someone, some people were missing. Looking around, I found who I was looking for still held up at the=20 turnstile. There was my girlfriend standing alongside her youngest as=20 she was being measured up for the ride. Seems we had totally ignored the "you must be this tall" sign at the=20 beginning of the line. And, as I did remember to do with my own children the year before,=20 I'd totally neglected to have the kids slip on the tallest soled=20 shoes in their closet prior to entering the park. I found a bit of a grin watching the teenaged ride attendant as he=20 bent this PVC-constructed measuring device in an effort to make our=20 smallest member of the party grow taller real fast. But it wasn't working out for the young man. The other kids and I were already buckled into the swings when I=20 finally realized our little one hadn't made the cut. Tragedy. As she realized she wasn't tall enough for the ride and as her mother=20 escorted her to the sidelines of the swing ride, it was as though=20 she'd just lost her puppy, her best friend and favorite toy all at=20 once. Unlike us adults and even the older kids, this ride was a big deal=20 for a 6-y.o.. Tears poured down. She was crushed. "Welcome to Holiday World," I=20 thought, sitting there waiting for the swings to start spinning,=20 lifting into the air and tilting and whirling around. I felt like such of creep on the ride, knowing there was a little=20 girl down there below my feet completely heartbroken by not being=20 tall enough to ride the swings. I could tell, by the look in her mom's face, that there was no=20 consolation for her. She couldn't ride the swings and there was nothing we could do about=20 it. Thanks to some other good kids, none of us swingers acted like the=20 ride was that big of a deal. We just went to the log ride as quick as possible and ensured all of=20 us were tall enough to ride. No problems there. Of course not, right?=20 It's a watercourse with a high, scary drop at the end. There were no problems at the rides that spin you around until you=20 feel as though you'll pass out from the G-forces either. No problems at the wave pool, the super-high waterslides or any other=20 place where bad things just might happen. But the swings we learned - they were not for kids. At least not for=20 kids not wearing high-soled sandals or shoes. Crazy, huh? That's what assumptions got us. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 07 08:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37718 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 15:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 15:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 15:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 15:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 15:20:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:20:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Myrtle Beach Pavilion is a hit with filmmakers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CulyBVBNzh1d1_T1RzDou87fvv5cps8PrjWyZNaawVhCti8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 07, 2006 The Myrtle Beach Sun News The State http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/15215270.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dthestate_local By DAWN BRYANT Myrtle Beach, SC -- The camera loves the Myrtle Beach Pavilion=20 Amusement Park. Not just those $8 disposable ones visitors click to=20 capture their memories. The ones from Hollywood, too. Movies? Music videos? TV shows? The Pavilion has been in them all. QVC has hawked goods there. CBS weatherman Dave Price broadcast his=20 national forecast from the amusement park. Country singer Kenny Chesney used the Pavilion as a backdrop in his=20 video "Anything But Mine," in which he talks about seeing a local=20 band at the seaside pavilion. The camera then cuts to an old Pavilion=20 sign on the oceanfront. The Pavilion's final scene will come this fall. The longtime Myrtle=20 Beach landmark is calling it quits after 58 years. Shooting at the Pavilion is a frequent request of local and state=20 film promoters. The park's variety is a plus for those creating=20 blockbuster images, said Jeff Monks, an S.C. film commissioner, who=20 works with crews scouting spots. For example, the Hurricane roller coaster can be shot one way to show=20 the town in the background and another way to show the ocean as a=20 backdrop. "It's such an icon," Monks said. "Certainly the magic of=20 that park is the period, its central location, not only to the beach,=20 but to the community." Ironically, the flick the Pavilion is most known for =97 "Shag" =97=20 wasn't even shot within the park. Crews filmed it in Myrtle Beach,=20 North Myrtle Beach, Atlantic Beach and Georgetown during the summer=20 of 1987, but never inside the Pavilion. The movie, starring Phoebe=20 Cates and Bridget Fonda, put Myrtle Beach on the partying map. Still, the Pavilion will always have "Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken," a=20 Disney movie that caused quite a commotion during filming in 1990. In the movie, the amusement park plays another destination, Atlantic=20 City, N.J., in the 1930s. The feel-good flick chronicles the life of=20 Sonora Carver, who jumped horses off a 40' platform into the water at=20 Steel Pier in Atlantic City. She was blinded during one jump, but she=20 trained to jump horses again, keeping her disability a secret.=20 British actress Gabrielle Anwar played Carver. During filming, real horses took 10' leaps to mimic Carver's move. If you don't blink during the 90-minute movie, you'll get a glimpse=20 of Danielle Bauer of Myrtle Beach, then a curly-haired 7-y.o. She was=20 one of about 1,500 extras who showed up daily for nearly 2 weeks for=20 their shot at fame. "Me & Mom are just walking by with this fake baby=20 carriage, but there was no baby," said Bauer, now 22 and an Erskine=20 College graduate. Being an extra wasn't the easiest gig. Because the movie was set in=20 the 1930s, Bauer spent 2 hours getting her hair and makeup done in=20 the Attic nightclub and wore a vintage lace slip dress that was so=20 old she was afraid to run around too much. Then there was the downtime. A couple of minutes in the movie took=20 hours to shoot. "I was missing school, so it was great," Bauer=20 said. "I was allowed to miss school to play dress up." The Pavilion has an impressive acting resume for a park on the=20 opposite coast from Hollywood, said Jim Futrell, the historian for=20 the National Amusement Park Historical Association. Parks in California typically are the busiest with movie cameras, he=20 said. "For a location like Myrtle Beach, outside of the mainstream,=20 it is unusual," Futrell said. FILMED AT THE PAVILION - Music Videos: "Anything But Mine," Kenny Chesney "Dancin' Shaggin' on the Boulevard, Alabama Movies: "Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken," filmed in 1990 "Swimming," filmed in 1998 Television: CBS This Morning Weather with Dave Price QVC ----------- Copyright 2006 The State From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 07 09:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45391 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 16:25:07 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.488.7c57bef (60471) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v111.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM024-ec3744d768721a4; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:21:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44D76877.4070509@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement Park Geneva-On-The-Lake to Close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gYFiiG3diFSs7kpL5tJ8Au2YXFomkaupWaHjpT6185_xgBTKqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Alan wrote on 8/7/2006, 10:54 AM: > Aug 7, 2006 > The Associated Press > WTOL 11 > http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=5228612&nav=menu34_6 > By A.Baker > > GENEVA-ON-THE-LAKE, OH -- After more than 60 years, a small amusement > park in northeast Ohio will close for good when its summer season > ends. The family that owns Erieview Park in the Lake Erie resort > village of Geneva-on-the-Lake says it plans to redevelop the property > into a new business, but it's not providing further details. > > Don Woodward says his grandfather opened Erieview as a park for > children in 1945. Adult rides and waterslides were added starting in > the 1980s. > > Woodward says Erieview has been a good business and shutting it down > is difficult. But he says his family believes it can do better. > > Geneva-on-the-Lake is about 50 miles east of Cleveland along the lake. It is a shame, another nice little family park, with a decent dark ride and bumper cars, is leaving us. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The insensitivity rolls on... From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Mon Aug 07 09:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73786 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2006 16:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2006 16:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2006 16:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 16:27:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 16:27:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2006 16:27:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:27:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: QUES: Does Six Flags panic? About season passes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=GBkeUZm_RoWqKksaWHBkAuDUIO4KZqZrjJlsFv2mcl0bREghOGU X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Screamscape reports today cut back in the entertainment staff and=20 operation hours of some Six Flags' parks, especially Elitch Gardens and=20 Darien Lake. Also, it is announced that two rides at SFDL (Predator and=20 Grizzly Run) are closed. In Montreal, La Ronde has cut last week the price of the season pass by=20 50% and has started an agressive campaign marketing to announce it. In=20 my opinion, it looks like a desesperate strategy to increase the=20 attendance. From several visits at the park, I have the impression that=20 the attendance is much more lower than in 2005, despite the addition of=20 the 19M$ Goliath roller coaster. Do anyone know if a similar discount=20 on season passes is available in other SF parks? Fred From djjroberts@verizon.net Tue Aug 08 06:05:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjroberts@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29793 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 13:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 13:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 13:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 13:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 13:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 13:05:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:05:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.23.191.69 From: "John" Subject: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156537086; y=mf51ZO9OPTgnGs6FATzn-5vKv4agI7Htj1W8ZjHa7mBF6fbYIw X-Yahoo-Profile: djjroberts Hello all, I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself as a new member of=20 the group. My name is John and I'm an avid coaster fan, still coming=20 off a roller coaster high from this past weekend at Dorney and Hershey=20 parks in Pennsylvania.=20=20 There were plenty of great coasters at both parks, most notably Hydra=20 and Steel Force at Dorney and Storm Runner, Wildcat and Lightning=20 Racer at Hershey. Anyone out there been?=20=20 I live on Long Island, so I'm not too near any parks. My most often=20 visited is Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ (which has become in my=20 opinion one of the best, coaster-wise).=20=20 Anyway, I hope to get involved in some of the discussions with some=20 fellow enthusiasts and look forward to meeting you! John M.=20=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 07:21:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40076 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:16:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:15:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:15:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:15:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Vandals strike former Americana amusement park for second time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qiZCvQE8TvEw_w9rAUIZ6NcO8nNeOO-ohYV6E95Hl-oG1QA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/08/2006 Dayton Daily News http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/08080 6lakevandalism.html?cxtype=3Drss&cxsvc=3D7&cxcat=3D6 By Lauren Pack MONROE, OH =97 It must have looked like a peculiar amusement ride. A=20 fiberglass elephant =97 weighing between 400-500 pounds =97 lying on its=20 side in a drained lake. Call it Dumbo, um, Drano. Actually, the elephant was a victim of the 2nd act of vandalism in=20 less than a month at the former LeSourdsville Lake/Americana=20 amusement park, according to Monroe police. Brazen culprits cut through the main gate of the park on SR-4 that is=20 the home of Couch's Campers recreational vehicle dealership, police=20 said. Items and storefronts throughout the park were smashed and=20 damaged, including windows in the arcade. Jerry Couch, park owner, said the elephant was shoved about 40' into=20 the recently drained lake. He said the lake is dry because workers=20 are cleaning it and making improvements to portions of the park. The tattered elephant was pulled from the hole Monday morning and=20 Couch said he plans to repair the animal. It is the 2nd elephant to be toppled during vandalism sprees this=20 summer. Late last month, another elephant was turned over, and=20 tables, windows, doors and arcade games were vandalized on July 24,=20 police said. Couch estimated the damage in the tens of thousands of dollars. He's=20 continuing the upkeep of the park and the expansion of the camper=20 business. Monroe police are investigating both incidents, said Sgt. Brian=20 Curlis. Officers found beer cans at the scene Monday. Couch is offering a $2,000 reward leading to the arrest and=20 conviction of the perpetrators. Anyone with information can call=20 Monroe police at (513) 539-9234. ---------- =A92006 Cox Ohio Publishing From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 07:21:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96919 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:19:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:19:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:19:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement venue proposed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4sB3ow_d_e5GiYeH12bTFQRjmku7lqT7GgQwGCp9a4OL2R4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 8, 2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060808-082530-9286r FORT BELVOIR, VA -- A 125-acre amusement venue may come up next to=20 the U.S. Army's proposed museum at Fort Belvoir, Va., but county=20 officials worry about its impact on traffic. Fort Belvoir is the strategic sustaining base for the Army and is=20 home to 2 major command headquarters. The proposal, under consideration by Army officials, has come from a=20 Florida developer, The Washington Post reports. It would include=20 the "Chateau Belvoir" hotel and an entertainment district with bars=20 like the "1st Division Lounge," the report says, adding it could draw=20 more than 1 million people a year. The amusement venue idea comes as the base prepares to receive about=20 22,000 employees transferred from other locations under the=20 government's base realignment plans. The concept could help offset the cost of the $300 million museum set=20 to open in 2013 for which no federal funds are being sought, the=20 newspaper reported. "It seems fairly clear that the Pentagon brass=20 has decided the only way they can succeed with the Army museum is to=20 make a museum wrapped in an amusement park," said a Fairfax County=20 official, concerned it would only aggravate the area's traffic=20 congestion. An Army spokesman said the Army is studying "a visitor destination=20 concept" for the museum but did not elaborate. -------- =A9 Copyright 2006 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 07:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33738 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:24:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:24:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:24:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The last ride on the Tilt-a-Whirl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=opIk1b-eoF5W_GZFIZAAXIHxALkF8Y9glVjcd7b6w-ea3gc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2006 All Things Considered Minnesota Public Radio http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2006/08/07/amusementpark/ ?rsssource=3D1 by Kateri Jochum PHOTOS:=20 http://minnesota.publicradio.org/standard/display/slideshow.php? ftrv_id=3D27702&slide=3D2 Bemidji, MN -=97 A visit to an amusement park belongs to summer like a=20 pair of shorts, ice cream cones or a day at the lake. According to=20 the International Amusement Park Association, big operations continue=20 to thrive. But in recent years, small town carnivals have been closing down all=20 over the state. The Paul Bunyan Amusement Park in Bemidji is just one=20 example of a slice of summer whose ride is coming to an end. We went along with Melissa and Josh Murphy of Rochester, who were=20 enjoying the park one last time with their daugthers, age 6 and 3. ------- =A9 2006 Minnesota Public Radio From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 08 07:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93037 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asmail.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:29:34 -0000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD009A152B@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids thread-index: Aca6iuTYqcSDfFo7QNSaxxyK5eYzbAAZ74Ng To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: RE: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=r7OUfj9QqiwX94806p_CVObM6znDw5i7g3eUcTwjuE9WyTuouw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > There was my girlfriend standing alongside her youngest as > she was being measured up for the ride. > > Seems we had totally ignored the "you must be this tall" sign at the > beginning of the line. > > And, as I did remember to do with my own children the year before, > I'd totally neglected to have the kids slip on the tallest soled > shoes in their closet prior to entering the park. I had originally written a very rude response about these idiots, but I've censored myself a bit. Still, what morons! Every ride has a "You must be this tall..." restriction, and you're attending with your own children. I say, let the little girl cry. The sooner she learns that mom has the attention span of zoo dirt and pseudo-dad is more concerned with fashion than safety, the sooner she'll learn to take care of herself. Jon Z "childless -- but I have cats" The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 07:34:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81127 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:34:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:33:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:33:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: End of a Park Fit for the King X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4gcraiux-1TOY12Fe1TexFqYffQhV8wpF_BGqw3Ay-mO75c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2006 The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/08/06/AR2006080600898.html?nav=3Drss_nation By Theo Emery MEMPHIS, TN -- During hot summer nights in the 1970s, the Memphis=20 fairground would close down to the strains of "Goodnight Sweetheart,"=20 but neighborhood residents sometimes heard the rumble of the roller=20 coaster, the Pippin, long after the gates were locked. The rides kept running and the lights stayed on for a special=20 customer, Elvis Presley. He would rent the park, bring family and=20 friends, and ride the roller coaster in privacy around and around the=20 wooden track. The Zippin Pippin, as it was later renamed, is silent now.=20 Libertyland park closed to the public last fall and has not reopened.=20 This is only the 3rd summer in generations that the Pippin has not=20 clattered over its tracks. The park's historic Grand Carousel is=20 dark, its painted wooden horses stabled behind locked doors. The=20 other rides and attractions have been sold and are being trucked away=20 piece by piece. The padlocking of LL angered some Memphians, who fought to keep the=20 park open and get the Pippin and the historic carousel off the=20 auction block. In the end, the city claimed the carousel, and 2=20 Nashville collectors with a traveling museum bought the coaster in=20 June. "Memphis has become a little less unique, a little more=20 generic," said Steven J. Mulroy, an assistant professor of law at the=20 University of Memphis. He acted as spokesman for the group Save LL=20 and was elected county commissioner last week. The carousel, which is listed on the National Register of Historic=20 Places, will likely turn again. Preservationists are looking for a=20 new home for it, such as the zoo or the Children's Museum of Memphis. The future is less certain for the Pippin. Stephen M. Shutts, 42,=20 came to the June auction with his business partner, musician Robert=20 Reynolds, hoping to buy just the Pippin's lead car - Elvis's=20 favorite - for their traveling museum, the Honky Tonk Hall of Fame &=20 Rock-N-Roll Roadshow. They were not allowed to bid on just the car, so they decided to try=20 for the entire roller coaster. To their surprise, they had the=20 winning bid: $2,500. Now, they are trying to figure out what to do=20 with the coaster. Shutts, a former Elvis impersonator, recently visited LL to inspect=20 his new acquisition. Shutts said he would love to find a corporate=20 partner that would pay to move and operate the Pippin in Memphis - or=20 at least find a preservation-minded park owner that would keep it=20 intact elsewhere. "It should be preserved," Shutts said. "I'd love to=20 see it stay in Memphis. It would make a lot of people happy. But if=20 it goes to somewhere in Tennessee, I'd be almost just as happy." The park opened as LL in 1976, but it dates to the early 20th=20 century, when the huge midtown property was a racetrack and the site=20 of an enormous regional fair. After the state outlawed betting on horse races, 24 acres of the=20 fairground was converted to an amusement park in 1923. The Grand=20 Carousel and its hand-carved horses were considered a national=20 treasure. Fans of the Pippin came from miles around. After he became too famous to easily go out in public, Elvis would=20 rent the park so he could ride the bumper cars and the Pippin=20 uninterrupted. The park got a facelift and reopened in 1976 with a=20 new, patriotic name, and the Pippin became the Zippin Pippin. But LL never thrived, according to the Mid-South Fair, which ran the=20 park and the eponymous fall fair. In nearly 30 years, the park turned=20 a profit in just 4, losing about $600,000 annually in recent years.=20 The board decided to close it last fall. "There just wasn't anybody=20 who could come up with any ideas or enough money to save it," said=20 Billy Orr, the fair's GM. The city is looking for other uses for the property. While there are=20 several proposals for the site, "the city is not interested in having=20 a theme park of any variety," said Cynthia Buchanan, director of city=20 parks. "The long and the short of it is that its time had come," she=20 said. The closure of the park left an unexpected void in midtown Memphis.=20 Just about every Memphian has a Libertyland story, park supporters=20 say. Tammy Fondren came of age with a LL season pass in her pocket. The=20 Pippin's rumble was her summertime soundtrack, and she saved up for=20 her wedding ring with money she made counting gate receipts. "This is=20 home. I've literally been coming and going here since 1976," Fondren=20 said. On a recent hot summer morning, LL was a forlorn ghost town. The sign=20 had come down from above the front gates, leaving a ghostly outline=20 of the letters. Trumpet flower vines choked the suspension bridge=20 leading to Tom Sawyer's Island. Ornamental fish swam in the canals,=20 but the water was green and clogged with leaves. Power tools whined as a worker disassembled the Paratrooper, and the=20 Dragon Wagon and the Little Fender Bender were already gone. The closure upset 9-y.o. Leanna Ritter, whose mother, Mary, worked=20 summers waxing the tracks for one of the park rides. Leanna said she=20 cried herself to sleep when she heard LL had closed. As she sat outside the park, squinting in the bright sunlight, she=20 mused: "I wonder what Elvis would think about them taking this place=20 down." ----------- =A9 2006 The Washington Post Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 08 07:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10317 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:44:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:43:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:43:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2006 14:43:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:43:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Multiple Architecture Firms Work on Coney Island Overhaul X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=chpzZJlJ57un_yQw_YpxeBZSYIrb_K3J87jQO2-3k9IUJIM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 8, 2006 The New York Sun http://www.nysun.com/article/37534 BY LEON NEYFAKH Coney Island, NY -- The architects responsible for the 45-story=20 Westin Hotel in Times Square have been quietly working on plans for a=20 new Coney Island. The flashy Miami-based firm Arquitectonica said yesterday that since=20 March it has been working with the city's Coney Island Development=20 Corporation on plans to restore the area surrounding the storied but=20 relatively rundown amusement park. The project stretches roughly from=20 Surf Avenue to the boardwalk, all the way from the Brooklyn Aquarium=20 to 24th Street. The crown jewel of the area, the corner of Stillwell and Surf=20 avenues, is being simultaneously developed by Thor Equities and=20 designed by architects at Ehrenkrantz Eckstut and Kuhn. A spokesman=20 for EEK and TE, Lee Silberstein, said yesterday that the developer is=20 collaborating with the city on the site. A recent error on the architectural firm's Web site, however,=20 illustrated a lack of communication among the various parties=20 involved in the redevelopment project. EEK recently posted a preliminary rendering for the 10-acre site on=20 showing that a residential high-rise, a luxury hotel, and a new pier,=20 complete with a new ferris wheel, have been proposed during the=20 planning process. Mr. Silberstein said yesterday that the renderings were "inaccurate"=20 and that they had been posted "erroneously." He called the posting of the proposal "unauthorized," saying that=20 it "was not accepted by Thor." He added that an updated proposal for=20 the site may be released in about 3 weeks. Arquitectonica would not comment on its vision for the surrounding=20 area, directing all inquiries to the Department of City Planning. EEK's renderings for the Stillwell site, since removed from the=20 firm's Web site, show the lot from several different perspectives,=20 offering some clues about what the condo high-rise and the luxury=20 hotel that the developers have discussed may look like. The rendering places a massive entertainment complex there, including=20 a movie theater, dense signage, an indoor waterpark, and scattered=20 concession booths shaped like Coney's storied Parachute Jump. A plaza=20 would be enclosed by 2 tall beachside buildings, which would=20 presumably house the condominium apartments and the 500-room hotel=20 that the New York Times has reported that TE is considering. Silberstein said the corner has been allowed to deteriorate over=20 time, and that whatever ends up going there will "enliven" it. The EEK renderings were labeled "conceptual" plans and dated to June.=20 A caption called the site "a mixed-use entertainment complex which=20 will include residential, hotel, retail and a new waterpark." The caption also noted that the redevelopment "fits into the master=20 plan as developed by the CIDC." The director of public affairs for the CIDC, Andrew Brent, said the=20 city had not seen the renderings. "While we have not seen their=20 specific renderings, we are encouraged that TE is looking to bring=20 private investment to the area," Brent told The New York Sun in an e- mailed statement. "At the same time, we are also working to ensure=20 that the goals of the City's strategic plan and the interests of the=20 community are a priority as we move through the rezoning process, and=20 we will work with any private investor including Thor to ensure that=20 a balance is met." Brent did not specify when a final plan for the site would be=20 announced, and the CIDC's Web site does not provide a schedule for=20 upcoming board meetings. EEK's renderings were 1st linked and discussed on the Wired New York=20 online forum, where Brooklynites anonymously but vehemently=20 criticized the plan. ---------- =A9 2006 The New York Sun From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 08 07:59:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85184 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k78EwcEi006121 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:38 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD009A152B@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> References: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD009A152B@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BE1DCE7-379C-4812-B439-C7523310C987@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 14:58:38.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[2123A6A0:01C6BAFB] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=tGFn4BOO9rePyKs2epTbS0LobDfp9IFsGtVx4JzfOaoLATAo X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I had originally written a very rude response about these > idiots, but I've censored myself a bit. AAww man .. I want to hear the original version! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It was me in the turkey * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** all along!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 08 10:49:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80421 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k78Hl7ts000399 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012301c6bb12$addec0e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:47:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Screamscape X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3QGWIEuZRNftr2FJlHFoGy5qAY8npdm2NGdf7PLAG7ZzPnmByAzVKBPQOg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Sorry for the self promotion, but I've posted some interesting news updates today (and yesterday) on Screamscape.com that may be of interest: This includes a name change on the way for Six Flags Marine World Two Spinning Coasters on the way to Six Flags parks in 2007 I've been following a rash of news reports from across the country about drastic budget cuts and changes effecting nearly all of the Six Flags parks. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 09 05:20:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57258 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAn28-0000q4-Hr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: <44D9D2E9.5030802@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:19:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060802010525.76627.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060802010525.76627.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47871f28e14d885ed8ceb802d7250512120fa28775b88914bb8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=EuvKpg49p4UcYJ4PVevMELvG6YqVtFh8j-X-idxg07PhteE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > But at Great America, someone went through a lot of effort early on to > extensively and meticulously theme the entire park so that you felt as > if you were in seven completely different lands. Great America is a > Theme Park, whether Six Flags likes it or not. Now, the chain could tear > down all the theming. Or it could simply use a little care when > installing new rides. I mean, they did with Ragin' Cajun. That ride fits > into that area beautifully. Even Raging Bull had some thematic elements > to root it in the Southwest Territory. But Superman stuck out like a > sore thumb. So did Batman, and that butt-ugly structure of Deja-Vu. It > was because the management didn't care about theming those particular rides. > > As you noticed, I mentioned that most people probably don't care. But I > really think on some level they do, just like they'd notice if they went > to a nice restaurant and all the place settings were askew. Would they > still eat there? Sure. But they'd have a lesser dining experience. It > wouldn't be perfect. You're right on the money here Jay, at least in my book. It's something that I've talked about for years- particularly in regards to SFGrAm's original "sister" park, PGA. If you don't understand the difference, go to PGA where they've basically massacred most of the original theming. When you walk around there the dichotomy is very noticeable, and if you hadn't been to the park before and weren't familiar with it, you'd wonder what the heck was going on. There's still remnants of the original theming, enough to be disconcerting, amongst the random theming elements of the new attrations througout the park. And the notable lack of theming on several of the others. As a result, while there are "lands" noted on the park maps, when you're walking around there is no real noticeable divisions or areas anymore and it seems like a conglomeration of different experiences that may or may not really flow together. It really hurts on the atmosphere- at least in my opinion. But it's something that you may not even realize until you've been to SFGrAm, where so much of the original theming is still intact and where, with some exceptions as Jay noted, Six Flags has worked to generally keep up with the theming. While many of the Six Flags and Cedar Fair parks aren't theme parks, there are notable exceptions. SFGrAm is absolutely one of them. So was Knott's, though their theming seems to be rapidly dying away with only Ghost Town still really maintaining it in the park anymore. And while you might not realize how much you miss on your first visit when it's not there, if you've been there when it was you can tell that the parks are now missing something, and a lot of the charm they used to have. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 08:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58929 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 15:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 15:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:32:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:32:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012301c6bb12$addec0e0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Screamscape X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=l2orlig44jae_MhJJhj0ce9GaeHMDIfG0MS2eKf2iTjfy_A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Poor Zonga. I wonder what's next for it, and why they couldn't get it=20 to work at Marine World? I was there last Summer, hoping that it would be running, but of=20 course, it wasn't. :( -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > Sorry for the self promotion, but I've posted some interesting news=20 updates=20 > today (and yesterday) on Screamscape.com that may be of interest: > This includes a name change on the way for Six Flags Marine World From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 08:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13228 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 15:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 15:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:38:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:38:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:38:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Edgewater Park was Detroit's fun place to go X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6lXr6HnadKIw92tnVFuakP6itKevfx0jwSuFH7PY105_aRM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 09, 2006 Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060809/LIFESTYLE/608090371 Detroit, MI -- Long before the advent of mega theme parks, local=20 amusement facilities such as Jefferson Beach and Edgewater Park were=20 generally raucous entertainment centers with roller coasters, fun=20 houses and other concessions. Edgewater Park, Detroit's west side fun=20 land for more than half a century, opened in 1927 during the=20 Depression. The 20-acre park, located at Grand River and Seven Mile, was operated=20 for many seasons by Milton & Cyril Wagner. The main attraction was a rickety-looking wooden roller coaster known=20 as the Wild Beast. It had other names over the years including Soul=20 Train. Anyone who rode its twisting, torturous path experienced=20 stomach-wrenching thrills. A 110' Ferris wheel with free-swinging gondolas also grabbed people's=20 attention. The park hit its peak of popularity in the 1930s, when it offered a=20 relatively cheap way to forget the Depression, and in the=20 wartime '40s when it became jam-packed, night after night, with young=20 servicemen. It offered Dodgem Cars, the Octopus, a carousel, a hall of mirrors=20 and a funhouse where sudden jets of air blew up women's skirts. The facility sailed through the 1950s despite a fire in October 1954=20 when lightning struck the metal-roofed dance hall. 2 men died,=20 including a musician returning to get his trombone. 400 people=20 escaped from the wooden structure when the fire started. With the advent of the super highway and birth of multimillion-dollar=20 theme parks such as Disneyland, its popularity waned. In September=20 1981, after 54 years of operation, Edgewater Park's turnstiles=20 clicked for the last time. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2006 The Detroit News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 09:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 15:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 15:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 15:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:58:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:57:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:57:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:57:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fright Fest will be 4 weeks early.With sale looming, speculation is flying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cypz2_3NF6fY5SreUDOPdFKpk9W0U-JrKeRL_E55QQUV_yg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 09, 2006 The Post-Standard Syracuse Online http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/news- 2/1155114206191720.xml&coll=3D1 By Charley Hannagan Darien Center, NY -- Halloween has been moved up a month at Six Flags=20 Darien Lake as the company that owns the Upstate amusement park=20 considers its future. The park, located between Rochester and Buffalo, announced Tuesday=20 plans to move up Fright Fest, a series of weekend outdoor events and=20 attractions, from October to September. As a result, the park will=20 close for the year on Oct. 1, four weeks early. "This is just based=20 on the weather and the attendance in October," said Mary Christa=20 Sellen, speaking for the park. 6FDL, which employs 2,500 seasonal workers, has tweaked its=20 operations several times this summer after 6F Inc. announced plans to=20 sell it, along with 5 other parks. After monitoring attendance, 6FDL now closes an hour earlier, at 9=20 p.m. rather than 10 p.m., Sunday-Thursday, Sellen said. Last week it=20 closed its Batman Thrill Spectacular, an 8-y.o. stunt show that was=20 no longer filling the auditorium, she said. The park is preparing a=20 new show for next year, Sellen said. Paul Ruben, North American editor for the trade magazine Park World,=20 said he believes the changes are the result of financial troubles at=20 6F. 6F Inc. is the country's largest regional amusement park owner with=20 30 parks, 2 hotels and a campground. It's also $2 billion in debt. Last week the company reported a 14% drop in attendance in the 2nd=20 quarter due in part to the closing of its New Orleans park and=20 flagging attendance at its other parks. The company also reported a=20 $39.6 million net loss for the 2nd quarter, compared with a profit of=20 $11.1 million in the 2nd quarter of 2005. "I think 6F is trying to=20 save money, and rather than pour extra money into those parks they've=20 targeted for sale, it's another way for them to save money," Ruben=20 said. Other parks in similar regions stay open through October and remain=20 profitable, he said. In 2005, 6FDL had an estimated attendance of 1,275,000, making it the=20 45th most heavily attended amusement park in North America, Ruben=20 said. 6F has not yet decided to sell the 6 parks, said Wendy Goldberg,=20 speaking for the company. The company made the June announcement=20 because "we really thought it was our responsibility to shareholders=20 to investigate offers if people were interested in talking," she said. The company plans to operate the parks until it makes a decision and=20 is planning to operate 6FDL in 2007, she said. 6FDL, unlike amusement parks located in the suburbs of large cities,=20 has little land value "other than as an amusement park or a cow=20 pasture," he said. It already has the infrastructure to support a=20 park, and it's a viable business, Ruben said. He speculated that the park's former owner Paul Snyder, a Buffalo=20 businessman, Kennywood Entertainment Co. of Pittsburgh and others=20 would be interested in buying and operating the park. "I'm sure that=20 there will be a buyer that steps up to buy 6FDL," Ruben said. "In=20 fact, there will be several buyers." ------------ =A9 2006 The Post-Standard =A92006 Syracuse Online, LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 09:14:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98313 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 15:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 15:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 15:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:47:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 15:47:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:47:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Army Shuns 'Theme Park' Proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CPBAvdlPnuSSzaTwt-_aYuNqtjWFyI4P_NAE-_H6BqIpUt4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This is a follow-up story to post #25986 -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ August 9, 2006 Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/08/08/AR2006080800831.html?nav=3Drss_business By Alec MacGillis & Timothy Dwyer FORT BELVOIR, VA -- The Army yesterday distanced itself from a=20 proposal to turn a planned Army history museum at Fort Belvoir into=20 what critics call a military theme park, calling a pitch from a=20 former Universal Studios executive "dead on arrival." But the Army is still considering a major tourist destination for the=20 museum that could include a conference center and hotel and a=20 partnership with the private sector to help pay for the museum, said=20 Keith Eastin, assistant secretary of the Army. The entertainment=20 concept would be "appropriate and tasteful," he said. The comments represented a shift, coming a day after the Army=20 declined to disavow the theme-park-like proposal it received in 2004=20 from Universal City Property Management. They also differed somewhat=20 from an account of the museum discussions given yesterday by Marc A.=20 Watson, Universal City's president, who has vast experience in the=20 theme park industry. Watson said Army officials approached him at Universal in Orlando in=20 2003 for ideas on how to use simulation technology to attract more=20 visitors to a planned museum. He continued to discuss the museum with=20 the Army, which gave him a tour of Fort Belvoir in 2004 to inspect=20 sites for what he was proposing, he said. Watson said he has not been=20 told that his plan has been rejected. "They said, 'What would you all=20 do to the museum to make it more relevant to today's audiences? How=20 would you breathe life into it?' " Watson said, describing the Army's=20 visit to Orlando. It was that inquiry, Watson said, that prompted his company's=20 proposal for a 125-acre complex that would include the "Chateau=20 Belvoir" hotel and bars such as the "1st Division Lounge." Trails=20 would lead visitors to encampments and battlefields representing=20 major wars, simulated rides would let visitors feel what it's like to=20 drive a tank or jump from a plane, and a "multisensory interactive 4- D theater" would take visitors "from Valley Forge to Normandy as the=20 greatest battles of U.S. history explode to life," according to the=20 proposal. Army spokesman Dave Foster said yesterday that the Army did approach=20 Universal, but only for information about using "so-called 4-D=20 experiences" within the museum. The subsequent proposal from=20 Universal was "grander in scope than what the Army thought=20 appropriate," Foster said. Universal was welcome to submit a future=20 proposal, but "in no event would any proposal containing what might=20 be characterized as an 'amusement park' be ... seriously considered,"=20 he said. The Army's consideration of a major tourist destination instead of a=20 more conventional museum at Fort Belvoir has sparked resistance from=20 Fairfax County officials, who are worried about the impact on traffic=20 from the Army's plans to move 22,000 employees to the post as part of=20 its base realignment. County officials are also upset that the Army is proposing to build=20 the museum at the Engineer Proving Ground, a mostly vacant site=20 northwest of the main post, rather than on the post, as initially=20 planned. The Army said the proving ground would be better partly=20 because there is more room. Fairfax officials prefer the main post=20 because it would be closer to other tourist sites, such as Mount=20 Vernon. Universal City Property Management, the former development arm of=20 Universal Studios, specializes in building "urban destinations,"=20 including a railway museum in Sacramento. Watson, an engineer with expertise in simulation technology, objected=20 to the "theme park" label, saying his proposal is a serious attempt=20 to acquaint those of all ages with the experience of the U.S.=20 soldier. "What's important is to engage guests ... so they can get a=20 real feel for what the life of a soldier is like," he said. "Too many=20 museums these days are built and nobody goes to them. [This] should=20 be one of the best in the world." ---------- =A9 2006 The Washington Post Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 09:19:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85193 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:07:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:07:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:07:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:07:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man envisions building fun, educational theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3XZ7gG40k6yeNWoMlaXlJswUTf3jIT23MKaUqIoQbHm70b4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/08/2006 KENS 5 and the San Antonio Express-News http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/neighbors/northwest/stories/MYSA08090 6.1H.NW.dell.e244dc.html by Amanda Reimherr Jacob Dell was only 7 when he started to believe in a dream that he=20 still holds today at the age of 26. During his family's first trip to Disneyland in California, young=20 Jacob was enthralled by the wonder that surrounded him =97 and that=20 experience, he said, changed him forever. His love for the theme park=20 is present in his everyday life and inspires his ultimate goal. In=20 fact, he proposed to his wife on the steps of Sleeping Beauty's=20 Castle. "I remember going to DL and coming home wanting to build the rides in=20 my backyard," he said of his childhood in South Dakota. "We lived on=20 a farm, and I spent hours out there digging trenches for a boat ride." After that 1st trip to DL =97 a place he still visits yearly =97 Dell=20 said he knew he wanted to open his own theme park. Although as a youngster he never completed a rollercoaster or boat=20 ride on the family farm, he still plans to build similar rides=20 someday at his JacobWorld theme park. It is a place that he envisions=20 will captivate all ages through a combination of fun and=20 education. "Entertainment can have an educational component and can=20 be enjoyed by an entire family unit. It is possible," he said. "Almost all the theme parks out there are about thrill rides and=20 little else. We live in a society that would rather be entertained by=20 a fake computerized source than a physical environment that engages=20 all of our senses. I have an innate drive to do this and make it=20 happen." Much of the park's concept already has been completed. Blueprints,=20 characters, building and d=E9cor renderings, attraction details and=20 other components have been fully imagined since his college days. In=20 fact, unlike the typical posters on college dorm room walls, Dell=20 chose to decorate his room with framed blueprints and artwork of his=20 park. They now hang on the walls of his home, and he calls them his=20 daily reminders and inspiration. At present, he's looking at a time line of 10-20 years for the=20 creation of the park. Dell earned his bachelor's degree from Texas Lutheran University and=20 his master of business administration from the University of Notre=20 Dame. He is a business analyst for special projects at Valero Energy=20 Corp. and teaches a course at the University of Texas at San Antonio. He said his 1st job after college, at the Kmart headquarters in Troy,=20 MI., taught him retail know-how=97skills he said he will need in the=20 theme-park industry. "Absolutely everything I have done is in some=20 way leading up to my ultimate goal of opening JacobWorld," he=20 said. "I take knowledge from each job and each venture that will help=20 me know all facets of what a theme park entails." Dell has a group of faithful friends who compose the JacobWorld=20 DreamMakers. The DreamMakers are those, including Dell and his wife,=20 who are part of making the theme park dream come true. Dell met them in different ways, including in high school and=20 college. Each one, he said, has a unique skill set that has helped in=20 various projects. There is a woodworker, drafters, graphic artists,=20 civil engineers, mechanical experts and theme-idea generators =97 about=20 20 people in all, he said. Dell said JacobWorld will feature areas with Asian, Old West,=20 Egyptian, jungle, outer space and other themes. The park will have a=20 focus on detail that was inspired by his daughters, he added. "Now=20 that I am a parent, it is like I am seeing things at (DL) in a whole=20 new light. Their eyes catch the smallest details, and they are=20 fascinated with things I don't notice," he said. "I want each area to take people back to the culture's peak time and=20 incorporate those tiny details. My kids really reinforced my original=20 idea =97 that it is possible to create an entertaining educational=20 environment for the whole family. A family can share a common=20 experience and each (person) take home a different perspective." Dell joined the IAAPA and envisions his whimsical world on 140 acres=20 in South Central Texas. In fact, he already knows exactly where he wants it but is keeping it=20 a secret for now. His wife said she was surprised but intrigued by his grand ideas when=20 he shared them with her shortly after they met. "You know, I thought=20 it was neat and I admired his confidence and maturity. I was shocked=20 that he had already accomplished so much since he was little," she=20 said. "But more importantly, now 2 decades later, he is not like others his=20 age. Most college grads want to get into the corporate world, and=20 they lose their childhood dream. But Jacob =97 Jacob has held onto that dream and works on it on a daily=20 basis."=20 DreamMaker Gary Goodson agreed and said Dell inspires him. "So many=20 people have big dreams, but how many do you know work on them every=20 day? I only know one =97 Jacob," he said. Rachel Dell said she will be relieved on opening day, no matter how=20 far away that may be. "There has been and will be so much more=20 buildup and planning that has gone into this, but we move a little=20 bit closer to it every day and with everything we do," she said. In the meantime, they are opening a smaller business.=20 In January, Dell said he and his wife plan to open a day- care/learning center called Toddling Town. The focus will be not just=20 on fun, but also education, he said. For more information or to see more of the JacobWorld plan, visit=20 www.jacobworld.com. --------- =A9 2006 KENS 5 and the San Antonio Express-News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 09:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75966 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:30:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:30:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:30:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.186 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Man envisions building fun, educational theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vqKV5h5JFkrtjvfI6tthvwFHDZ-FVAQiVVbNI-XnZTePe3E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 FYI - the link listed doesn't work. Well, it doesn't completely work.=20 You can get to the webiste by going to one of it's other pages. Try=20 the "Egytian" link: http://www.jacobworld.com/jdw/park/egypt/index.html -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 09:33:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88314 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 16:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 16:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.184) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 16:32:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 16:32:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:32:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great Escape reduces hours - Action follows slump in earnings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ccC4W5mkTuPX-WMZSZ2FFJoM5L-Q-9SZ1iG3BTcixzsT0S8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 9, 2006 The Post-Star http://www.poststar.com/articles/2006/08/09/news/doc44d95c8a701d128323 1281.txt By ERIN DEMUTH & Scott Donnelly Lake George, NY -- Following a lackluster 2nd-quarter earnings=20 report, Six Flags has reduced hours of operation at its Great Escape=20 amusement park for the remainder of the season. 6FGE is trimming 7 hours from its weekly operations schedule as its=20 parent company, 6F Inc., tries to recover from declining attendance=20 and revenue. "We are closing 1 hour earlier 5 nights during the week,=20 Monday-Friday, and 2 hours early on Sunday," park Public Relations=20 Manager Diane O'Connor said in an e-mail Tuesday. There have also been changes to the schedule for appearances by=20 Justice League superheros within the park, though 6F spokeswoman=20 Debbie Evans said Tuesday that she did not know how those schedules=20 had changed specifically, as appearance times were not published. She said there have been no layoffs at the park. The JL characters=20 were added this year as part of the new, family-oriented management=20 effort instituted when Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder took=20 over 6F last year, using the firm's poor financial performance as=20 leverage for a hostile takeover of the company. "Like any business,=20 we regularly evaluate all our operations, including staffing,"=20 O'Connor said Tuesday in a prepared statement. "In regard to the JL=20 characters, as we get to the end of our summer season, we adjust our=20 entertainment and offerings. The JL were very well received in 2006,=20 and we look forward to bringing them both back in 2007." In announcing the addition of the characters in mid-February, 6F=20 officials said Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern=20 would be appearing at the park. The changes have not gone unnoticed. Scott Simmons, of Lake George, said he's been a season pass holder at=20 the park for the last 6 years. He and his 5-y.o. son, Phillip, go to=20 the park together at least once a week, sometimes twice, he=20 said. "They have meet-n-greet areas where they have a superhero go to=20 a particular site, and there's a schedule at the site telling you=20 that if you go there at a particular time, you can see them," Simmons=20 said Tuesday. "They've completely taken all the signs out." Simmons=20 said he was not as concerned about the cutback in hours of operation=20 at the park as he was the apparent reduction in superhero=20 appearances. On his last visit to the park Friday, he did not see any=20 JL characters, he said. "One of the cornerstones (6F President and CEO) Shapiro offered was=20 we want to have more kids, more families," Simmons said. "And in=20 order to get them, they were going to have more superheros. That was=20 the whole premise on which they implemented a parking fee and hiking=20 gate prices." 6FGE is not the only 6F park going through changes in the wake of=20 last week's 2nd-quarter report. The company announced Tuesday it is=20 closing Darien Lake, the largest theme park in New York state, 4=20 weeks early this year. That park is 1 of 6 theme parks the company=20 has announced plans to sell. The 6FGE was not on that list. The Denver Post published a story on Friday quoting employees from=20 the 6F-owned Elitch Gardens who had worked as costumed characters=20 there. The park had employed as many as 45 such employees, but had=20 cut that number to just a handful. Kellen Owens, who had worked at 6FEG portraying Scooby-Doo, told the=20 Denver Post that 6F cited budget cuts when announcing the job cuts=20 there. 6F spokeswoman Brooke Brasher told the Denver Post the job=20 cuts were not unusual for this time of year, adding that the park=20 is "regularly evaluating all of our operations, including staffing." 6F posted a $39.6 million net loss for the 2nd quarter. That loss,=20 which breaks down to 48 cents per share, follows a profit of $11.1=20 million, or 6 cents per share, for the same period of 2005. In the quarterly report, 6F reported a 14% decline in attendance at=20 the company's 30 parks - from 11.2 million visitors in the 2nd=20 quarter of 2005 to 9.6 million over the most recent quarter. NEW HOURS=20 Great Escape on Route 9 in Queensbury is now open: Sunday 10 a.m.-8 p.m. (formerly closed at 10 p.m.) Monday-Friday 10 a.m.-7 p.m. (formerly closed at 8 p.m.) Saturday 10 a.m.-10 p.m. (no change in closing time) The Great Escape Lodge & Indoor Waterpark hours remain unchanged=20 ------------ =A9 Copyright 2006 Lee Publications, Inc. DBA The Post-Star From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Wed Aug 09 11:53:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22542 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 18:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 18:53:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:53:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.96 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: La Ronde reduces hours too... and cut the daily parade X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=Pua85j5QP-ksntIB-aWXaIRPnL3Gc5byOE_d1EusvhVfiEsczDo X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred On La Ronde's website, the schedule has been updated today. Hours in=20 September and October are reduced. For the Labor Day week-end, the=20 park will be open only from 12:00pm to 8:00pm, rather than 10:00am to=20 10:30pm. For week-ends between September 9th and 24th, the park is=20 scheduled to be open from 12:00pm to 8:00pm, rather than 10:00am to=20 8:00pm on Saturdays and 10:00am to 7:00pm on Sundays. The Friday=20 nights (5:00pm to 9:00pm) for the FrightFest are eliminated. From=20 September 30th to October 29th, the schedule is now from 12:00pm to=20 8:00pm on Saturdays (rather than 12:00pm to 9:00pm) and from 12:00pm to=20 7:00pm on Sundays (rather than 12:00pm to 8:00pm). Moreover, the daily parade is no longer announced on the website. Fred From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 12:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16693 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 19:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 19:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 19:43:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 19:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 19:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 19:42:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:42:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Oaks Amusement Park, August 6, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=wRmVeC3tITNI5AQ76dAZTo_0go6AKqaQ_uAWtqyUYPmiBUicWnRE X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I was in Portland, Oregon for a wedding over the weekend, and, due to=20 the fortuitous coincidence of a free block of time on my part and a=20 roller derby practice for my sister (yes, roller derby) at the Oaks=20 Park roller rink, we headed down there for a couple of hours on Sunday. I must say I enjoyed the very old-school feel of this park, which was=20 full of summer weekend guests, but still didn't have more than a few=20 minutes' wait for any ride. Parking was free, and ride tickets (just=20 one ticket for any ride in the park) were 1 for $2.00 or 7 for $11.00.=20 POP bracelets were also available for $13.75, but we went for the 7/11=20 deal because my brother-in-law wasn't going to be riding much. It was=20 refreshing to have genuine blue-collar entertainment after hanging out=20 in Portland bars full of hipsters sipping Pabst Blue Ribbon out of=20 some "ironic" sense of working-man kitsch. Anyway, my first ride was their Pinfari ZL46, "Looping Thunder." I had=20 to chuckle a little when I saw that Oaks had two trains running on=20 this, which is apparently a lot more difficult for $59.99-a-ticket=20 SFMM to pull off. Is there any looping full-circuit roller coaster=20 with a smaller footprint than this? Anyway, the ride is fairly rough=20 and not particularly thrilling, but hey, it's not like it's got much=20 competition in Oregon. It's mostly just kind of remarkable that they=20 were able to fit a loop into something this small. I actually liked their kiddie Miler coaster a lot better. The=20 restraint allowed for a lot of body movement, and the bunny hills and=20 laterals on this thing (which they were running through two circuits=20 each program) created a lot of airtime and general flinging around. My personal vote for best ride in the park is their bumper cars, which=20 are Lusse Skooters. I don't think I'd ever ridden a Lusse before, but=20 these things are the high-performance sports cars of the bumper car=20 world. I liked performing "Tokyo Drift" skidding maneuvers around=20 corners, and you could really build up some slamming momentum on them.=20 The operator let us run for a good long time, too. I was also charmed by their dark ride, Lewis and Clark's Big=20 Adventure, which I believe was rethemed last year from "Haunted Mine."=20 This ride follows a smiling Lewis & Clark & Sacajawea as they made=20 their way past bears and Indian camps to the salmon-filled Columbia=20 River and the Pacific Ocean. I loved how this ride wrapped up local=20 history in entertaining, convenient ride form. The go-karts were basic but fun. The carousel looked a bit worn but=20 featured quite a menagerie of animals and ran well. That was the only=20 spinning ride I went on, seeing as how I didn't have any meclizine=20 with me, but I should note that they had a Rock-o-Plane, Tilt-a-Whirl,=20 Round-Up, Scrambler, Spider, a Music Express (as "Rock 'n' Roll"), a=20 Ferris wheel (about the size of a Big Eli; I'm not sure), a big slide,=20 a number of milder rides for kids, and the "Screamin' Eagle," a big=20 rotating pendulum ride (not sure of the generic name) that was the=20 centerpiece of the midway. All of that was in a nice location with a picnic grove on the banks of=20 the river. It's small, it needs a real roller coaster, but it's a fun=20 place to go. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From TatsuFan@aol.com Wed Aug 09 12:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: TatsuFan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38180 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 19:49:37 -0000 Received: from TatsuFan@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.bd0.2cdeae3 (40520) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:48:52 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: TatsuFan@aol.com Subject: New Manhattan Express Trains X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=277472831; y=4--Ss5Pa8Iu0dcXgfZ0GP0xAHOHeAmLqd0qezUZxJwQxjck47INP X-Yahoo-Profile: tatsufansfmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone it is John (_MrStratosphere@aol.com_ (mailto:MrStratosphere@aol.com) ) Just to confirm the Manhattan Express in Las Vegas is running new trains as of yesterday. The new trains are from Premier Rides..The Lap Restraint is similar to those found on other Premier rides (Mr. Freeze) The Shoulder "Clamps" are very padded and the trains seem to give a much less rough ride than the old trains did. You can find pictures of the new trains at _http://www.screamscape.com/_ (http://www.screamscape.com/) The trains are still 4 cars long, 4 passengers per car. Overall the passengers coming off of the ride are much more pleased than earlier this week! I will also have an update soon with the status of the High Roller Removal atop the stratosphere. The ride is now 75% gone. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 14:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71812 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 21:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 21:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 21:50:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 21:49:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2006 21:49:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:49:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: Oaks Amusement Park, August 6, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=jKpnT1qjnWD5QbU0UiTtDZxKnuB7IJC5HmOzNJDYQGE_7nOYJakQ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > That was the only=20 > spinning ride I went on, seeing as how I didn't have any meclizine=20 > with me, but I should note that they had a Rock-o-Plane, Tilt-a- > Whirl, Round-Up, Scrambler, Spider, a Music Express (as "Rock 'n' >=20 Roll"), a Ferris wheel (about the size of a Big Eli; I'm not=20 > sure), a big slide, a number of milder rides for kids, and=20 > the "Screamin' Eagle," a big rotating pendulum ride (not sure of=20 > the generic name) that was the centerpiece of the midway. http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/v99/oaks.html=20 Update: the trip report above from 1999 lists the Ferris wheel as a=20 Big Eli, the carousel as a Herschel-Spillman, and the slide as=20 possibly a Dartron. The park no longer has the Roll-o-Plane or the Sea=20 Dragon. They list a Matterhorn as the "Eruptor," which has either been=20 replaced or rethemed as the "Rock & Roll." The kids have a Frog Hopper=20 and a Samba Tower now. Skyfighters is still there (cute tailguns), but=20 I'm not really sure about the other kiddie rides. The one that I'm really not sure on is the Screamin' Eagle. It's one=20 of those rides on a big rotating pendulum like a Frisbee, except that=20 the seats are at the end of a big claw assembly instead of being=20 mounted on a disc. What's the name and manufacturer of this ride? The=20 park's official site has a photo: http://www.oakspark.com/thrillrides.html Maybe Adam Sandy could devise some sort of flat ride identifier on his=20 site, following a decision tree like "how many axes of rotation does=20 the ride have," "do the individual cars stay oriented level to the=20 ground," etc. Just a thought. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 09 15:02:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70951 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 22:02:55 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so287706uge for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr1580126ugm; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:02:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Oaks Amusement Park, August 6, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JL6zHpwFh_rtKIJvqjaC_oV749EVFjuxlqn_PhylhaC4vvXY4UGVVc4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The one that I'm really not sure on is the Screamin' Eagle. It's one > of those rides on a big rotating pendulum like a Frisbee, except that > the seats are at the end of a big claw assembly instead of being > mounted on a disc. What's the name and manufacturer of this ride? That's a KMG Afterburner. If you didn't ride it, you missed out big time. :) Regardless, thanks for the trip report! -Nate (looking forward to the Topscan and a KMG Afterburner at the Wisconsin State Fair this weekend!) From buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 15:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: buckeyesundevil@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85257 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 22:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 22:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51115.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.92) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 22:08:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 49839 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2006 22:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060809220814.49837.qmail@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.31.57.244] by web51115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:08:14 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:08:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bryan Wood Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Oaks Amusement Park, August 6, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=196757886; y=ivn5CIFcJhJaYMRTQ2nSByv-1yq5ZOcrxfAQQAHFjmyj6fscDxAATlla X-Yahoo-Profile: buckeyesundevil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The one that I'm really not sure on is the Screamin' Eagle. It's one of those rides on a big rotating pendulum like a Frisbee, except that the seats are at the end of a big claw assembly instead of being mounted on a disc. What's the name and manufacturer of this ride? The park's official site has a photo: http://www.oakspark.com/thrillrides.html >>>That's definitely a KMG Afterburner (I believe Chance-Morgan sells it in the US). Zamperla makes a similar-looking ride, but theirs has 5 sets of 4 riders, while the KMG has 6 sets of 4 riders. -Bryan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 17:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30030 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2006 23:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2006 23:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2006 23:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 41192 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2006 23:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.253.96] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:57:30 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:57:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WA0oDf8bsQzxL6lt8l5TvwYNwg_5C8LOMswbpEzXmFbYyo8U4O20 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And while you might not realize how much you miss on your first visit when it's not there, if you've been there when it was you can tell that the parks are now missing something, and a lot of the charm they used to have. < And that's exactly how I feel about Great Escape. On the flip side of the coin, Knoebel's has charm, but it really doesn't have any theming. So they pretty much can add anything as long as they maintain their funky homemade feeling and the rides will fit in. But at Great Escape (aka Storytown), Charlie Wood purposefully created themed areas. While the Six Flags management did a good job with theming Canyon Blaster and a fair job with Alpine Bobsled, there's that SF-Great-America-style dichotomy creeping in to the rest of the park. Maybe amusement parks should take a hint from Disney: don't buy a lot of rides. Buy a lot of atmosphere. Disney made a few rides go a long way because the park was just such an amazing place to wander through. Maybe Six Flags should start selling off some of their rides rides and using the capital to replace them with theming (and shade). Jay --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 09 17:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22022 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 00:54:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 17276 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 00:54:07 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Aug 2006 00:54:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:54:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=2q3mi5XvUL7HNal8h6MfP0tSDwtifE2-HMymyx16d0f4rdQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Maybe amusement parks should take a hint from Disney: don't buy a > lot of rides. Buy a lot of atmosphere. That is, of course, a great suggestion .. however we all know that it'll never happen. Real atmosphere is terribly costly (and difficult) to design. Look at all the restaurant chains like Starbucks, Chilli's, Olive Garden, etc .. the food is all adequate, but there is absolutely zero atmosphere. The sad fact is that no-one cares. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Aug 09 18:53:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65175 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 01:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 01:53:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 01:53:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:53:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Charm and theming and service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=AjyuvNJ16SeUEfIb4-MZFAxpbDbKlj77h69ES2Gx7tSzxn0M1diC X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > Look at all the restaurant chains like=20=20 > Starbucks, Chilli's, Olive Garden, etc .. the food is all=20 > adequate, but there is absolutely zero atmosphere. Oh, there's atmosphere, it's just rehashed corporate=20 atmosphere. "How many objects can we clutter up the walls=20 with?" "Ooh, copper lampshades!" It's like the episode of the=20 Simpsons where Moe tried to turn his tavern into a "family=20 restaurant." My thought is that I'd like to visit a restaurant where the theme=20 was "real, professional waiters," like at a fine dining=20 establishment where the waiter actually takes care of you instead of=20 just bringing you your food and (maybe) refilling your water. Umm... oh yeah, amusement parks! There's a big difference between=20 theming and charm, and let's add good service to the mix, too.=20 Disneyland is the sien qua non of theming, and it's hard to measure=20 up to it when I'm so used to it. The service is very good, but it's=20 debatable as to the level of charm--- Walt Disney had charm, but=20 certainly in the last 20 years his company has NOT had charm. I thought Holiday World was an interesting case --- they try to=20 theme the place, and they use the theming as a selling point, but=20 really, the theming is pretty bare-bones. Who really feels that the=20 Halloween area feels spooky? But they _do_ have a lot of charm, and=20 service rivaling Disneyland's. The three don't necessarily all go hand in hand. Let's take the=20 three parks I've been to in the Pacific Northwest, all of which have=20 zero theming. Playland at the PNE has an okay amount of charm but=20 pretty good service, being staffed by fresh-faced young Canadians.=20 Oaks Park has loads of charm, owing to its long history, but the=20 operators are mostly indifferent carnie types. Fun Forest, in=20 Seattle, has very little in the way of charm OR service, staffed by=20 barely-awake teenagers and basically looking like the buildings=20 around it are trying to crowd it out for space. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 10 07:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74248 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 14:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 14:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 14:30:02 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so497147uge for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr2633906ugl; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:30:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=m04PhJ65WHSrCI8F0XNohwQeXGYrUzSmyZifTAFsZJQ-qbGZ1Fx5grU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > But at Great Escape (aka Storytown), Charlie Wood purposefully created > themed areas. While the Six Flags management did a good job with theming > Canyon Blaster and a fair job with Alpine Bobsled, there's that SF-Great-America-> style dichotomy creeping in to the rest of the park. A can of worms has probably been opened here, but I'm going to reply anyway. The theming at The Great Escape was always loose at best. International Village and Ghost Town were well done, and they still are today. Storytown never had any real cohesive theme (other than storybook characters) because there were lots of rides and attractions mixed in that just didn't fit well. The Fest area was always an "anything goes" area with lots of things that either weren't themed or didn't fit the International theme going on there. The only thing I can see that Premier/Six Flags has potentially destroyed theming-wise at TGE is the area around the Boomerang. As I'm sure you know, it used to blend into the whole children's/storybook area with Danny the Dragon and such. Now there's a major thrill ride that's a bit out of place. But like I said, that area was never particularly well "themed." -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 08:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27738 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 15:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 15:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 15:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:52:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Higher park, hotel prices help boost Disney profits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=q2cxwxZq7SNv4uCdM06gA4cHw5eXOFuzw345lHylZ60kdgk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 10, 2006 FLORIDA TODAY http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060810/BUSINESS/608100320 BY DONNA BALANCIA=20 Burbank, CA -- Increased ticket and hotel prices have paid off for=20 The Walt Disney Co., which attributed much of its financial success=20 in the just-ended quarter to its theme park business. The company's feature-film and home-video operations also helped=20 boost the bottom line, with profit coming in significantly above=20 analyst expectations. Disney reported Wednesday a profit of $1.13 billion, 53 cents a=20 share, in the fiscal 3rd quarter ended July 1, compared with profit=20 of $811 million, 39 cents a share, in the same period last year.=20 Quarterly revenue rose 12% to $8.62 billion from $7.72 billion last=20 year. The results - announced before the stock market trading day began -=20 beat analyst estimates of $8.60 billion in sales and profit of 44=20 cents a share. The company's stock started strong, opening trading up $1.02, but by=20 the end of the day closed down 15 cents at $28.83 in heavy trading on=20 the NYSE. It fell another 16 cents in after-hours trading. The report comes less than a week after Disney raised ticket prices=20 at its Orlando-area theme parks for the 2nd time this year. "Disney=20 is benefiting from the fact that our industry is in recovery," said=20 David Brudney, principal of David Brudney & Associates, a Carlsbad,=20 CA.-based hospitality marketing firm. "We're in a period where=20 there's demand, but supply is flat. The hotels in the better=20 locations, which justify their customers' visit, are doing well.=20 Other hotels may need to do more marketing to overcome the gas prices=20 to capture that drive market." Disney said revenues for the quarter increased 11% to $2.73 billion=20 within its parks and resorts division, and the unit's operating=20 income grew 26% to $549 million, due to increases at both its=20 domestic resorts and at Disneyland Resort Paris. Disney is Central Florida's largest employer, with 4 Orlando-area=20 theme parks and 2 cruise ships based at Port Canaveral. Disney Senior Executive VP & CFO Thomas Staggs said during a=20 conference call with analysts that increased marketing of Disney's=20 hotel in the Orlando area helped boost the number of visitors who=20 booked hotel rooms on Disney property while visiting WDW. But Disney said it expected theme-park attendance numbers the current=20 fiscal 4th quarter to be flat, compared with the same quarter last=20 year, which was strong because of the proportion of the Disneyland=20 50th-anniversary celebration. Operating income growth at Disney's domestic resorts in the just- ended quarter was primarily due to increased guest spending, theme- park attendance and hotel occupancy. Higher guest spending was driven by higher average daily room rates=20 and higher ticket prices. Disney said increased theme-park attendance and hotel occupancy for=20 the quarter were favorably impacted by the shift in timing of the=20 Easter holiday from the 2nd quarter of fiscal 2005 to the 3rd quarter=20 of fiscal 2006; as well as positive responses to the relatively=20 new "Expedition Everest" ride at Disney's Animal Kingdom, the Magic=20 Your Way flexible-pricing plan and Disney's Magical Express marketing=20 programs. Brudney said Disney capitalized on the peak summer family travel=20 time. "When demand returns, that's the opportunity to make hay while=20 the sun is shining," Brudney said. "What has increased is the average=20 rate, increased demand, limited inventory and selling high at a=20 desirable time. Those are the numbers that flow to the bottom line.=20 Demand for the Disney resort products has increased, and they've done=20 the smart thing by driving the average rate up." "Our attendance at our domestic theme parks has increased 6%, and we=20 believe a WDW ticket represents a great value with all our new shows=20 and attractions," WDW Resort spokesman Jacob DiPietri said. "We=20 continuously monitor the price of the tickets to ensure our pricing=20 reflects great entertainment value. We survey our guests regularly,=20 and they continue to tell us a day at WDW is a great value, and we=20 continue to create new ways to entertain and surprise our guests with=20 one-of-a kind attractions." WDW on Sunday raised the price of a 1-day, 1-park ticket to $67 plus=20 tax, up $4. It also has an admission price increase in January, when=20 Disney raised its price from $59.75 to $63 plus tax. While Disney increased the price of its admission tickets, it is=20 still unknown whether Universal Orlando and SeaWorld will follow suit=20 at their Orlando-area attractions. "We do not comment on our pricing=20 structure," USO spokeswoman Rhonda Murphy said. "Our pricing is dictated by our own business plans, and is not based=20 on the plans of our competitors," SW spokeswoman Becca Bides said. "There are so many things that go into making a decision to raise=20 prices," said Jerry Aldrich, president of Amusement Industry=20 Consulting Inc. of Orlando. "But I'll bet ticket pricing is a subject=20 that's discussed there (at Disney) at least once a month. They=20 continually look at the value the guest gets. They conduct exit=20 polls, asking the guests very specific questions. Then - at least=20 they used to - poll the guest after they're back home, when the=20 credit card bills arrive and the shine of the visit has worn off." Disney must have its reasons for raising the price of the tickets,=20 said Mary Waring, president of MouseSavers.com, a Web site devoted to=20 finding the best Disney travel deals. "The 2nd price hike in 1 year=20 really surprised me," Waring said. "But their approach with the=20 hotels apparently is: 'If you can't fill the rooms, charge more for=20 them.' What I find interesting is that USO has taken the exact=20 opposite approach, and is running deep discounts." Waring said there were no widespread Disney discounts in June and=20 July. The company offered its usual Florida resident discounts and=20 discounts for annual pass-holders. "But even those were limited to=20 certain hotels and certain times," she said. "Disney has a hard-core=20 constituency that will pay anything, and I think they're capitalizing=20 on that group. They're expecting their numbers to be flat, but=20 they're going to charge more to the visitor they know will come=20 anyway. USO has taken a different tactic. USO wants more bodies=20 coming in, and will offer discounts." Disney also is being more frugal for its out-of-towners on vacation=20 packages, Waring said. "What I think is interesting is they rolled=20 out the 2007 vacation packages, and they've eliminated the number of=20 restaurants on the dining plan," Waring said. ------------- =A9 2006, floridatoday.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 09:01:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74044 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:00:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:00:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:00:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sheriffs Boys Ranch gets donation for Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ylyX_eRETwZDgCR7Q2K84wGRjZ7VUFAFj_Mzi27QP9EGh6w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 10, 2006 The Gazette http://www.gazette.net/stories/081006/carrcou180046_31945.shtml Frederick, MD -- On July 25, Engineering Systems Solutions (ESS),=20 Inc. contributed 35 tickets and meal vouchers for the Six Flags=20 amusement park in Largo to the Maryland Sheriffs Youth Ranch. Jay Nathan owner and CEO of ESS, presented the tickets to Mark=20 Grover, executive director of the MSBR. "The boys are really looking=20 forward to their visit to 6F," Grover said in a press release. MSBR is a 24 hour youth care facility for males ages 10-18. The idea=20 of a youth ranch came from the Maryland Sheriffs' Association more=20 than 25 years ago. Concerned law enforcement officers envisioned a=20 program designed to help at-risk youth. Their goal was to prevent=20 delinquency caused by an unstable home life. There are currently 24=20 boys housed at the ranch who will enjoy the generosity of the ESS=20 donation. ESS plans to continue to sponsor further contributions, including an=20 employee sponsored winter celebration. Their next project will be a=20 Giving Tree for school supplies for the boys, all of whom are=20 attending local public schools. There will be boxes at the ESS=20 Corporate office to be filled with schools supplies. If you would like to learn more about this event, or get involved in=20 any upcoming events, call Ila Stitely, 240-405-1054 or Rebecah=20 Daggett, 240-405-1012. ---------- =A9 2006 The Gazette From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 09:06:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93124 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:06:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:06:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8fyjLNAVXgyzEmthOCACHEsVTbHul8A6Xjm2rKV4OgDIyfM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08.10.2006 zaman.com Anadolu News Agency http://www.zaman.com/?bl=3Dnational&alt=3D&trh=3D20060810&hn=3D35536 Ankara, Turkey -- Paramount Pictures, one of the greatest film=20 companies of Hollywood, has selected Turkey's capital, Ankara for its=20 latest theme park investment, reported to be worth $1 billion. Talks=20 with the Housing Development Administration of Turkey (TOKI) to=20 establish the theme park in Ankara are in their final stages. TOKI Deputy Chairman Erdogan Bayraktar said that the Paramount hopes=20 to develop a park that is central to the Middle East and Europe, and=20 said that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave a special=20 directive to TOKI and the Ankara Municipality. Construction of the park, which will be located near Asagi Yurtcu- Ballikuyumcu in the city of Eskisehir and will cover an area of 3- million sq-mt, is due to start in 2007. In conjunction with the theme park construction, new hotels and=20 private villas are expected to be constructed to accommodate visitors=20 coming to the park. Paramount expects the Eskisehir theme park to be=20 the biggest in the Middle East and hopes to attract around 3 million=20 visitors a year. The theme park, a replica of the park operating in the United States,=20 hopes to attract visitors from Eastern Europe, Russia, Turkic=20 republics, Asia, and the Middle East, by using the last ride=20 technology and lower costs compared to their competitors in Europe. The theme park modeled on Paramount's US theme park, will include an=20 ocean, icebergs, deserts and a forest, and visitors will even be able=20 to take a trip to the Moon on the park's space craft ride. ----------- =A9 1995-2004 Feza Newspaper Publishing Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 09:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70615 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:08:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:08:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:08:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lmY95XbiovU4iPjB89QCUFzeRAbN1jhuOdmPT7aLMEObmpM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There is one thing very humurous about this article. If you go to the=20 link, you will see a picture of Hong Hong Disneyland, even though the=20 article is talking about Universal! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > 08.10.2006 > zaman.com > Anadolu News Agency > http://www.zaman.com/?bl=3Dnational&alt=3D&trh=3D20060810&hn=3D35536 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 09:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89777 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:14:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:13:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:13:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 16:13:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:13:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: More On A Proposed Theme Park At Ohio County Highlands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YnDjzHNVgnr4V-ZTRh8b67hjGAJkWf60K1oIFdutlfKNa0I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/10/2006 WTRF Channel 7 http://www.wtrf.com/story.cfm?func=3Dviewstory&storyid=3D12969 by Steve Mazure Dallas Pike, OH -- Anticipation continues to grow over a proposed theme=20 park at the Ohio County Highlands project near Dallas Pike. Today, officials will provide additional news regarding the Wild Escape=20 theme park development. Steve Minard of Crystal Mountain West Virginia=20 L.L.C. says "we are pleased to give additional details about a project=20 that will excite people throughout the region." The announcement is=20 expected to take place at 1 this afternoon. ---------- Copyright 2006 West Virginia Media From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Aug 10 09:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80729 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:41:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 5603 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2006 16:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:40:12 -0000 Received: from [192.42.249.166] (helo=[17.210.87.115]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GBDZr-0007e1-Nv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:40:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:15:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 192.42.249.166 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.96.188.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=9sv2LnS7c9qQx_SOOPcd8zpwhwMPpHJGbQENSB42UbbtbuOTyvxZ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Maybe amusement parks should take a hint from Disney: don't buy a >> lot of rides. Buy a lot of atmosphere. > > That is, of course, a great suggestion .. however we all know that > it'll never happen. Real atmosphere is terribly costly (and > difficult) to design. Look at all the restaurant chains like > Starbucks, Chilli's, Olive Garden, etc .. the food is all adequate, > but there is absolutely zero atmosphere. buh... buhhhh... chilis? Have you... had... their food? Try their mozzarella sticks, chicken/steak fajitas, and the molten chocolate cake for desert. It's amazing. I would describe it in more detail but I think there are younger people on the list that probably aren't ready for the analogies. Could be the American in me talkin' though... Mike ...who's in San Francisco right now for WWDC and though OSX leopard is going to be pretty sweet, he isn't old enough to rent a car and is too stupid for public transportation and thus will not be able to make it to Marine World :( From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 10 10:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12088 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 16:59:47 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so88634uge for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr2845826ugh; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:49:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=i-ch8VBm0Lxamp6bKY5xj6az40-wljRafUb9rAhjg3waIdAygxK1PcA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The theme park modeled on Paramount's US theme park, will include an > ocean, icebergs, deserts and a forest, and visitors will even be able > to take a trip to the Moon on the park's space craft ride. Exactly what US theme park are they talking about? Either someone didn't do his or her research, or this is just a giant fabrication. -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 10:17:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80005 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 17:09:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 17:09:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:09:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=jx4X0sdcEd39-m2-ivK6C8zvwmpuCmcQu3iYgomTtABv109p2_pg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 wrote: > ...who's in San Francisco right now for WWDC and though OSX leopard=20=20 > is going to be pretty sweet, he isn't old enough to rent a car and=20 > is too stupid for public transportation and thus will not be able=20 > to make it to Marine World :( Vallejo Transit has info on taking either a ferry/bus combo or=20 BART/bus combo from San Francisco to Marine World: http://www.vallejotransit.com/mworld.html Here's the ferry info: http://www.baylinkferry.com/ And here's info on SF Muni while you're in the city: http://www.sfmuni.com/cms/mms/home/home50.htm Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 10 10:26:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69415 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:25:32 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GBEH6-0007Hy-Nk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:24:52 -0400 Message-ID: <44DB6BF1.5060400@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:25:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47871f28e14d885ed8cbe9690dd4218f759a4b7551592465406350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lKtpk8kYapf0_sWCCaXXVl1I2wsE4Osx7pfaLWFTdqTmtyk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > The theme park modeled on Paramount's US theme park, will include an > > ocean, icebergs, deserts and a forest, and visitors will even be able > > to take a trip to the Moon on the park's space craft ride. > > Exactly what US theme park are they talking about? Either someone > didn't do his or her research, or this is just a giant fabrication. Hehe, looks like you and I were on the same thought pattern here. I'm curious myself as to what it is. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 10 10:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71403 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GBECb-0008U7-SK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: <44DB6AD9.8090900@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:20:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47871f28e14d885ed8c36aa516ac05a0ea731a49835436c9336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=acW9aeYb5Q8G2qVz1wZsIPf55Lk2SaLFQdcNgFvavKbXRGw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > > There is one thing very humurous about this article. If you go to the > link, you will see a picture of Hong Hong Disneyland, even though the > article is talking about Universal! > You mean Paramount, right? :P It's certainly odd. I was just reading the other day that Cedar Point has stopped any plans to build a Paramount park outside of the US, or any further parks, so not sure what this is. Additionally, they mention a few times that it's based on "the US Paramount Park" (note the singular) So which one? I'm certainly not aware of any of them that would fit this description: > The theme park modeled on Paramount's US theme park, will include an > ocean, icebergs, deserts and a forest, and visitors will even be able > to take a trip to the Moon on the park's space craft ride. So what the heck are they really talking about? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 10:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81971 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 17:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 17:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 17:46:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 17:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 17:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 17:46:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:46:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44DB6AD9.8090900@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: $1 Billion Hollywood Theme Park to Come to Ankara X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=FX_tsN-A5iN5dgpdaOV7Cue0gU2pV86Xy8K08rxpzmRdfZ-20nZF X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > So what the heck are they really talking about? Maybe this is like those "Turkish Star Trek" or "Turkish E.T." where=20 the Turkish version of the movie is a cheap ripoff/parody of the=20 original, kinda like Nara Dreamland vs. Disneyland. I actually watched=20 the so-called Turkish Star Trek, a.k.a. Turist Omer Uzay Yolunda. It=20 was pretty odd. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 10 11:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90208 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 18:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 18:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 18:34:51 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k7AIYJBG001103 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:19 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 18:34:19.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[975C83D0:01C6BCAB] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=6OIgu_cDYP8TIFc1ddRNkrNIoN5tprZBydRaYMtSIO-MBJsp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Mike, > buh... buhhhh... chilis? Have you... had... their food? Try their > mozzarella sticks, chicken/steak fajitas, and the molten chocolate > cake for desert. Eh, the food is good, but it's not great. I've had much better food at independent places (worse food too). Besides, the discussion was more about theming! > ...who's in San Francisco right now for WWDC and though OSX leopard > is going to be pretty sweet I was actually a little let down by the Leopard announcements. It's a developers show, and that's all they could preview? Makes me think that Leopard won't be a terribly substantial update. I do however, think the user interface for Time Machine is the coolest thing I've ever seen! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 10 11:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66169 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k7AIZmEj001207 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:35:48 -0500 Received: from [10.6.43.185] ([10.6.43.185]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:35:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ACD70C4-1B6A-4A19-942B-298FFE9258B6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:35:46 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 18:35:48.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCB74470:01C6BCAB] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KH5adsY6l9ar19ShTyZKE3yjZ3Cf9txO338FKtG88-M7laud X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi John, Sorry for the delay, but WELCOME!! This is a nice, relaxed group .. I think you'll find the members aren't too nerdy when it comes to coasters; of course, we have had our moments! :) Cameron. On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:05 AM, John wrote: > Hello all, > > I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself as a new member of > the group. My name is John and I'm an avid coaster fan, still coming > off a roller coaster high from this past weekend at Dorney and Hershey > parks in Pennsylvania. > > There were plenty of great coasters at both parks, most notably Hydra > and Steel Force at Dorney and Storm Runner, Wildcat and Lightning > Racer at Hershey. Anyone out there been? > > I live on Long Island, so I'm not too near any parks. My most often > visited is Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ (which has become in my > opinion one of the best, coaster-wise). > > Anyway, I hope to get involved in some of the discussions with some > fellow enthusiasts and look forward to meeting you! > > John M. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Aug 10 12:25:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66566 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 19:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 19:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-73.bluehost.com) (70.98.111.8) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 19:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 8304 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2006 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (70.96.188.24) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from [192.42.249.108] (helo=[17.210.58.41]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GBG8m-0002d7-GM for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:24:24 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3828F3B0-F716-44A2-AA04-F5925BCE47F4@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:28:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:smtp auth 192.42.249.108 authed with ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 70.98.111.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: WWDC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ecqCCY5eBmDL2_1tUZH3PHwqeUCqsOxBSXC2cP_dMoyODlFVsTp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> ...who's in San Francisco right now for WWDC and though OSX leopard >> is going to be pretty sweet > > I was actually a little let down by the Leopard announcements. It's a > developers show, and that's all they could preview? Makes me think > that Leopard won't be a terribly substantial update. I do however, > think the user interface for Time Machine is the coolest thing I've > ever seen! :) I agree... sort of. I'm under an non disclosure agreement so I can't say anything, but basically the keynote is definitely NOT everything. I was a little let down by the keynote as well, but after going to the other sessions, I'm now really psyched about Leopard... come this spring, and later on, OSX is just going to blow anything that Microsoft & friends does out of the water. Time machine looks pretty great, but there are a ton of other great things too. So uh... yeah :) Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 14:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84067 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2006 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2006 21:00:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:00:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Jay's SFGram TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RMUPYL-Sh-WmeNMSuVElJUcwJ8FKl6EGDorKb-30sM2GBds X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Even with all of the info that Adam gave, it's still a trek! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike =20 > wrote: > > ...who's in San Francisco right now for WWDC and though OSX=20 leopard=20=20 > > is going to be pretty sweet, he isn't old enough to rent a car=20 and=20 > > is too stupid for public transportation and thus will not be able=20 > > to make it to Marine World :( >=20 > Vallejo Transit has info on taking either a ferry/bus combo or=20 > BART/bus combo from San Francisco to Marine World: > http://www.vallejotransit.com/mworld.html >=20 > Here's the ferry info: > http://www.baylinkferry.com/ >=20 > And here's info on SF Muni while you're in the city: > http://www.sfmuni.com/cms/mms/home/home50.htm >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:57:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64145 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 00:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 00:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 00:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 456 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2006 00:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20060811005744.454.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.233.137] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:57:44 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Higher park, hotel prices help boost Disney profits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=70yw5VSxcIl8ivgooWO0J98wmfflljV_lstuVetWP_aQ_X9GFqeA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "Disney is benefiting from the fact that our industry is in recovery," < Tell that to Six Flags and Cedar Fair. > "There are so many things that go into making a decision to raise prices," < For instance, greed.... > "The 2nd price hike in 1 year really surprised me," Waring said. "But their approach with the hotels apparently is: 'If you can't fill the rooms, charge more for them.' What I find interesting is that USO has taken the exact opposite approach, and is running deep discounts." < And USO hasn't to my knowledge posted earnings of over a billion dollars. I wonder if it's the old Disney magic that's bringing people in. With less discretionary funds to spend on vacations, people might take just one shot at it. So where do they choose to go? To the one brand name that guarantees quality family fun. (Sorry, *not* Six Flags....) Jay --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From djjroberts@verizon.net Fri Aug 11 05:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjroberts@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83996 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 12:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 12:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 12:20:36 -0000 Received: from D3DDS131 ([70.23.135.161]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3U00I0D29QPQA5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:20:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:20:11 -0400 To: Message-id: <000a01c6bd40$7f297da0$0743fea9@D3DDS131> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8ACD70C4-1B6A-4A19-942B-298FFE9258B6@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 From: "John Myers" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156537086; y=ftNBL_XD30Py-MQ8YroRiFKLOE7zQk9ykM9Zg_7lrfr_Y5z0Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: djjroberts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Cameron! I've been reading the posts and I must say, good stuff! ----- Original Message ----- From: Cameron Silver To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction Hi John, Sorry for the delay, but WELCOME!! This is a nice, relaxed group .. I think you'll find the members aren't too nerdy when it comes to coasters; of course, we have had our moments! :) Cameron. On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:05 AM, John wrote: > Hello all, > > I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself as a new member of > the group. My name is John and I'm an avid coaster fan, still coming > off a roller coaster high from this past weekend at Dorney and Hershey > parks in Pennsylvania. > > There were plenty of great coasters at both parks, most notably Hydra > and Steel Force at Dorney and Storm Runner, Wildcat and Lightning > Racer at Hershey. Anyone out there been? > > I live on Long Island, so I'm not too near any parks. My most often > visited is Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ (which has become in my > opinion one of the best, coaster-wise). > > Anyway, I hope to get involved in some of the discussions with some > fellow enthusiasts and look forward to meeting you! > > John M. > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 11 06:03:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16906 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 13:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16016 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Aug 2006 13:02:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3828F3B0-F716-44A2-AA04-F5925BCE47F4@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <20060809235730.41190.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> <77D7AAF2-CCA9-43C9-A261-B0A9EC5A7BD9@buzzneon.com> <1ED3C2CB-C11E-472F-B6A6-0D524B49F1F0@donkeyentertainment.com> <3828F3B0-F716-44A2-AA04-F5925BCE47F4@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:02:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: WWDC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=npXiyqa2sxhpFtBWNDfrBvKXocHYajWsypwj_vK9H5a7xSo- X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I agree... sort of. I'm under an non disclosure agreement so I can't > say anything, but basically the keynote is definitely NOT > everything. I was a little let down by the keynote as well, but > after going to the other sessions, I'm now really psyched about > Leopard... Well that's just it. Steve mentioned that there is a lot more "secret stuff", and that's all very well and good ... but in the past, they have announce nearly everything in the keynote. I mean it doesn't really help developers to spring stuff on them in the last minute. Other than time machine (which is a minor feature), nothing else they announce is relevant to developers at all. I mean, an update to mail.app and iChat? Big deal.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 07:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22736 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 14:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 14:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 14:50:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:50:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD009A152B@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 195.171.40.130 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=Dm_OuSIEirdT8MqGp4W3SHBbQsxuE5bG6DyZgN_IJLEGlqnq4mwq1lM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zucker" =20 wrote: > >=20 > I had originally written a very rude response about these > idiots, but I've censored myself a bit. Still, what morons! Every ride > has a "You must be this tall..." restriction, and you're attending=20 with > your own children. I say, let the little girl cry. The sooner she=20 learns > that mom has the attention span of zoo dirt and pseudo-dad is more > concerned with fashion than safety, the sooner she'll learn to take=20 care > of herself. >=20 > I had one of those at chessington recently - his daughter was about 6=20 inches too short for the vampire, and he spent about 10 minutes arguing=20 with the ride ops.... I also mentioned to a mum on apocolypse "I think you might find he's=20 too short.." How dare I suggest that, this is "her son" we're talking=20 about and they'll let him on.. Umm - no they didn't! =20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 11 08:11:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52697 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 15:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 15:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 15:10:29 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.150] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GBYdT-0001Yf-RB for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <44DC9DB3.4020101@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:09:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47871f28e14d885ed8c3ff716a8557d976d0e4c37c30ec5ff03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OP-ED: Amusement park swings are just not for kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=HqnfEHQaDkcCyXOD864ygMYMVMgHNYFHK_2OuuT0Q2bRC6w X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash daniel_roachus wrote: > > I had one of those at chessington recently - his daughter was about 6 > inches too short for the vampire, and he spent about 10 minutes arguing > with the ride ops.... > > I also mentioned to a mum on apocolypse "I think you might find he's > too short.." How dare I suggest that, this is "her son" we're talking > about and they'll let him on.. Umm - no they didn't! > When I was working at BGT that was possibly the worst part about the job. Even at Rhino Rally there's a height restriction, along with an age restriction. Unbelievable how many people don't realize that it's for their kids safety, and even worse was how many didn't care. I constantly had people arguing with me to allow them to carry their babies on board the ride ("Sorry, but if the Rover bounces hard and your kid goes flying out of the vehicle in front of the Rhino or the Crocs, then what are you going to do?) It's frustrating sometimes with how many often it seems that the parks care more about their kids' safety than the parents do. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 10:01:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8280 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:00:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:00:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:00:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:00:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme Park Details Released X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8usjAwFdKxbcUFKaXhLrPRKefvsnDylnV-rdDL92z4oOQ_o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 10, 2006 WTOV NEWS 9 by Renee Cardelli & Natalie Pasquarella OHIO COUNTY, WV. -- With development of Wild Escape Theme Park on the=20 horizon, officials held a press conference Thursday detailing what's=20 in store for the 100-acre park at The Highlands. Officials described the park as an "entertainment campus," saying it=20 will have much more than the average amusement park. Steve Minard, president of WE, said the park will be open all year.=20 It will include high-end retail shops & gourmet food, as well as=20 indoor & outdoor parks complete with water and thrill rides. Minard said one defining aspect of this park is they will offer all- inclusive passes which include meals. He said the cost of a ticket=20 for 1 day would be around $50 for adults and $40 for children. The park will also be environmentally friendly, as the largest=20 geothermal project in West Virginia history is in the works. Further,=20 the park will be run by alternative fuel methods. Minard said he would like to bring celebrities to the park such as=20 Nora Jones, Josh Groban and Willie Nelson. The project is set to take from 3-5 years to complete. ---------- Copyright 2006 by wtov9.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 10:35:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74522 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:35:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:35:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Noah=92s_Ark_Festival_slated_this_weekend?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZO3JMDnRG1qO3IDNuSLzmLS12TkirOcs2V7ccR76V3rgEr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/10/2006 ZWire The Huron Daily Tribune http://www.michigansthumb.com/site/news.cfm? newsid=3D17038057&BRD=3D2292&PAG=3D461&dept_id=3D476228&rfi=3D6 by TRACI L. WEISENBACH GAGETOWN, MI =97 Noah's Ark amusement park is such a jovial, colorful,=20 whimsical place, it's a festival just waiting to burst. It makes perfect sense then for NA to host its first festival this=20 weekend, Friday-Sunday. The fun will take place from 10 a.m. to 9=20 p.m. Friday & Saturday and from noon to 6 p.m. Sunday. The park is=20 located at 4330 Farver Road in Gagetown. As Noah's ark filled up with animals 2x2, the NA Festival is packed=20 with all kinds of family-friendly activities, 1x1. NA features 10=20 acres of entertainment, such as an 18-hole miniature golf course, a=20 walk-through maze, a large wooden ark, dancing/singing gospel bears,=20 full-size animated characters based on the Bible, a train that rides=20 around a 22-acre lake, and a variety of inside carnival rides for=20 adults and children to enjoy. That's just the beginning. The festival also will include pony rides, pony cart rides, a petting=20 zoo from Maplewood Farm Petting Zoo, face painting, chainsaw carving=20 by Superior Tree LLC, arts and crafts vendors, rope making=20 demonstrations, horseshoes, a dunk tank, a 24' climbing wall, kids'=20 field games and more. Saturday will feature a bake sale, a hot dog=20 eating contest, a horseshoe contest and a miniature golf contest. For the 3-day festival, all rides will be $1 each and the train ride=20 and climbing wall will be $2 each. Along with all the fun activities, people can enjoy live Christian=20 music all 3 days. A Christian rock band will play Friday night.=20 Grammy winner Jeff Coffin of the Dave Matthews Band, Tracy Silverman=20 and Chris Mosher (keyboardist for Stephen Curtis Chapman) will=20 perform Saturday night. Various groups from area churches will=20 perform throughout the day Sunday (exact times for Friday & Saturday=20 shows were not available prior to press time). Donations will be=20 accepted at the concerts. Pastor Duane Plonta of Farver Road Baptist Church and his wife,=20 Wannetta, said the festival isn't just for people who attend Farver=20 Road Baptist Church. It's for anyone and everyone. "We're doing it to=20 promote NA and the church. We want to let people know we're out here=20 and what we're about," Duane Plonta said. "It's a good place to come.=20 It's family-oriented." He said there will be special blacktop parking for handicapped and=20 elderly people that's close to the park. Everyone else can park in=20 the eight-acre parking area. All parking is free. He said the new Christian radio station, WPEE 88.5 FM, is heavily=20 promoting the festival, and he hopes this will help bring in a lot of=20 people. Festival buttons for $2 are on sale at area businesses to help=20 support the festival. Duane & Wannetta said more is being planned for next year's NA=20 Festival. "We're going to start planning for the next festival right=20 after this one is finished," Duane said. He also said WPEE will be broadcasting live from the festival. For more information, call (989) 872-3525 or (989) 872-3700.=20 -------- =A9 Huron Daily Tribune 2006 =A9 1995 - 2006 Townnews.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 10:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45321 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:42:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:42:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:42:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:42:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: China to open Andersen theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J3rbPDWU0_n_cJyznIatFFNhSmoJvaBAxnnRXMpDTqtqeYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2006 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4782955.stm =20 Shanghai, China -- China is planning to open a $12.5m (=A36.5m) theme=20 park dedicated to the famed 19th Century Danish children's author=20 Hans Christian Andersen. The park - due to open in Shanghai by the end of the year - will be=20 educational and aid children's development, the project's backers say. They said they chose Andersen because of the "impressiveness" of his=20 stories and his "hardworking" background. Andersen's works include The Ugly Duckling and the Emperor's New=20 Clothes. "All those famous tales will be found in the theme park," Su=20 Qi, a manager of the project's investors, Shanghai Gujin Investment,=20 told the Shanghai Daily newspaper. "Children will be educated through playing in the theme park." Multi-media games as well as all kinds of cultural contests related=20 to the fairytales will reportedly be available to visitors. Hans Christian Andersen was born in the Danish town of Odense over=20 200 years ago to a poor cobbler family. His fairytales have a strong social message - teaching children that=20 appearances can be deceiving and heroes come in the most unlikely=20 forms. His works, which also include The Princess and the Pea, The Little=20 Mermaid and Tom Thumb, have been translated into 100 languages. He was chosen as the star of the park because he is a "nice,=20 hardworking person who was not afraid of poverty", Shanghai Gujin=20 Investment general manager Zhai Shiqiang was quoted by the AFP news=20 agency as saying. ---------- BBC Copyright MMVI From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 10:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91186 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2006 17:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:46:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2006 17:46:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:46:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Shanghai ready to build US$3.75b Disney theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dwCUld7wc_DFsT9C3_JW1WBYFfQ8Y0Pb9guzrZ7CYLZ8tAs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2006 Channel News Aasia http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific_business/view/2 24228/1/.html SHANGHAI, China -- Shanghai has begun to prepare for a US$3.75=20 billion Disney theme park, an official said, signalling the city is=20 confident it can win the central government's approval for the=20 complex. "Everything is in the stages of early preparation," said an=20 official with the city's planning and construction department=20 surnamed Tang. "We are awaiting for the approval from the State Council (cabinet)." Asked to confirm media reports that the project was expected to cost=20 30 billion yuan (US$3.75 billion), Tang replied: "Yes." Tang refused to provided more details but media reports have said=20 authorities had identified a 14.25-sq-km site that was 4 times the=20 size of the Disneyland opened last year in Hong Kong. Officials have a detailed plan that includes the construction of a=20 subway line, expressways and a link to Pudong international airport,=20 the China Daily said. It also said that the government had begun relocating residents in=20 the area, a claim which city officials vigorously denied. "The=20 relocation report is nonsense," said Ma Xuejie, vice director of the=20 press office with the Pudong government. In March, the mayor of the city of 17 million people acknowledged for=20 the first time it was seeking to build a Disney park. Hong Kong and mainland media have repeatedly reported that Shanghai=20 hoped to start construction of the theme park in 2008 but Disney has=20 insisted that any potential deal would not come before 2010. Disney was not immediately available for comment on Thursday. --------- =A9 2006 MCN International Pte Ltd. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:19:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53814 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 00:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 00:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 31387 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2006 00:18:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060812001824.31385.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.235.107] by web53108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:18:24 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:18:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: OT: WWDC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ll6FJdDqzum3pjcINcUNTkK8_XYxY5AbfavwMsR9aK58c_ALnEiu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > nothing else they announce is relevant to developers at all. I mean, an update to mail.app and iChat? Big deal.. < You might have missed this announcement at the conference, which is certainly important to developers: > http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html < Also, Mac OS Forge has hinted about a new feature of Leopard called "Teams" which on the surface appears to be a built-in type of networking interface along the lines of Macromedia's Contribute. So on the contrary, I think there's lots of stuff in Leopard that will keep developers interested and busy. Jay --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Aug 12 10:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75287 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 16:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2006 16:58:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:58:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS: Theme Park Details Released X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=TT60-WbQr4gzxe0czUT6-0hLEcwbHZVCHe5f1tUuflbPVGy_Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > OHIO COUNTY, WV. -- With development of Wild Escape Theme Park on the=20 > horizon, officials held a press conference Thursday detailing what's=20 > in store for the 100-acre park at The Highlands. >=20 > Officials described the park as an "entertainment campus," saying it=20 > will have much more than the average amusement park. >=20 > Steve Minard, president of WE, said the park will be open all year.=20 > It will include high-end retail shops & gourmet food, as well as=20 > indoor & outdoor parks complete with water and thrill rides. >=20 > Minard said one defining aspect of this park is they will offer all- > inclusive passes which include meals. He said the cost of a ticket=20 > for 1 day would be around $50 for adults and $40 for children. >=20 > The park will also be environmentally friendly, as the largest=20 > geothermal project in West Virginia history is in the works. Further,=20 > the park will be run by alternative fuel methods. >=20 > Minard said he would like to bring celebrities to the park such as=20 > Nora Jones, Josh Groban and Willie Nelson. >=20 > The project is set to take from 3-5 years to complete. > ---------- > Copyright 2006 by wtov9.com > sounds very interesting. can't wait to see the end result.... sad thing is, Brian and Josh (does he = still post?)=20 probablly live closer to Wheeling, WV then I do! haha Can't wait to see what kinda shops/rides they'll offer. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 12 14:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61453 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 21:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2006 21:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 21:21:31 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-176-043.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.176.43]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7CJQ7g0002231 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026201c6be45$31ba6d80$2bb04a18@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Theme Park Details Released X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=12Y0xRr_aZR2_oh-hSHnYJV6taMUMLwxbRool44AL1zoKvJK6h1STcysmw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance This place sounds more like Mild Escape instead of Wild Escape. Kind of like an overgrown FEC without Mini-Golf... ----- Original Message ----- From: "djbosshogg" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Theme Park Details Released > OHIO COUNTY, WV. -- With development of Wild Escape Theme Park on the > horizon, officials held a press conference Thursday detailing what's > in store for the 100-acre park at The Highlands. > > Officials described the park as an "entertainment campus," saying it > will have much more than the average amusement park. > > Steve Minard, president of WE, said the park will be open all year. > It will include high-end retail shops & gourmet food, as well as > indoor & outdoor parks complete with water and thrill rides. > > Minard said one defining aspect of this park is they will offer all- > inclusive passes which include meals. He said the cost of a ticket > for 1 day would be around $50 for adults and $40 for children. > > The park will also be environmentally friendly, as the largest > geothermal project in West Virginia history is in the works. Further, > the park will be run by alternative fuel methods. > > Minard said he would like to bring celebrities to the park such as > Nora Jones, Josh Groban and Willie Nelson. > > The project is set to take from 3-5 years to complete. > ---------- > Copyright 2006 by wtov9.com > sounds very interesting. can't wait to see the end result.... sad thing is, Brian and Josh (does he still post?) probablly live closer to Wheeling, WV then I do! haha Can't wait to see what kinda shops/rides they'll offer. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Aug 13 09:10:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92144 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2006 16:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2006 16:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2006 16:07:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:07:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: hey tampa folks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=8TboiyBHSPNhHLaVco95Yt6GJvgcA6bSIz1gDqPOfRew2eY3W5Viu3713Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 one last bump.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > honestly its no difference to me. whatever works for anyone else=20 > that can go.=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 > wrote: > > > > Out of the three days, which one is preferred? > >=20 > > Joe > > Tampa, FL > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Doug Nelson=20 > > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:36 AM > > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: hey tampa folks > >=20 > >=20 > > just wanted to bump this up in case anyone missed it. > >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > anyone wanna meet up and got to BGT on either 8/18, 8/19 or=20 > 8/20? i=20 > > > can go pretty much any time on any of those days. if so post=20 a=20 > > > response here and we can talk about or email me about it. > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 15:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24869 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 22:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2006 22:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 22:48:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 22:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 22:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2006 22:46:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:46:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.1.120 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9IVyAQYcnrCWoFXO14KMMAuAfH_Q_09mCFWhjrN2yuABghu68PmN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Ummm...is everyone okay out there? It's unusual for this list to get so dead. I think this is a new record -- three days with no messages. Well, to jump-start a conversation I'll bring up that tired subject of CP's new coaster. Does anyone have any new guesses as to what it might be? I'm wondering if CP is going the Wicked Twister route and just getting a bigger version of something Intamin already produces, or whether this will be something completely different. I really wish it was a GCI woodie instead. That would fit in well with the western theming. And even though Mean Squeak runs like crap...well, it's a Summers/Dinn creation, so what do you want? A nice woodie would give a little more variety to their offerings. CP really has enough steel coasters. I mean, what else is left for them to distinguish themselves in that department? A flying coaster? A 4-D? I'm surprised they didn't go with a record-setting Gerstlauer.=20 That would have been unique. Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Aug 16 17:38:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35913 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.233) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 00:38:38 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t12so274953wxc for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.100.14 with SMTP id x14mr1813849wxb; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h38sm1442549wxd.2006.08.16.17.38.34; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:38:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:38:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcbBhi/lJHc3CJUeS1yVG7uoHNOuHgADyZ0A In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-ID: <44e3ba8b.671ecdc5.2a3a.7be4@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.233 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: RE: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=b5dXpjulRyQK3im704NAJWYo7hHR9CKTCC9dIWvqRV7-5ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "That would have been unique." I think buying a non-coaster family ride would have been "unique" for them as of late. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 12:16:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23522 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 19:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 19:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 19:11:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 19:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 19:08:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:08:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 10-year-old girl dies after collapsing at Illinois amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Az8-OykV9_qjhtsonZA05xXiJNjZdGUTaMXtvYZ9ixCOUdk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/17/2006 The Associated Press USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-17-amusement-park- death_x.htm?csp=3D34 =20 GURNEE, IL -=97 A 10-y.o. girl with a history of heart trouble=20 collapsed during a family outing at Six Flags Great America amusement=20 park and died, police said. Witnesses said the girl had just gotten off a ride in the Camp=20 Cartoon Network area of the park Wednesday evening. She was running=20 to rejoin her cousins and grandmother when she collapsed, Gurnee=20 police said in a statement. The girl's heart had stopped by the time paramedics arrived, and she=20 was pronounced dead an hour later at a hospital, police said. Police said the girl, whose name was not released, was from the=20 Chicago suburb of Arlington Heights, about 20 miles south of Gurnee.=20 An autopsy was planned to determine the cause of death. "At this=20 point we don't have any reason to believe this was ride-related,"=20 said Jim Taylor, a spokesman for 6F. "We will certainly participate=20 and assist authorities in any way they ask us to." 6F Inc. runs some 30 theme, water and zoological parks in North=20 America. In 2003, an 11-y.o. girl from Gary, Ind., collapsed at the park and=20 died after riding the "Raging Bull" roller coaster. A coroner's jury=20 later ruled that a heart condition caused Erica Emmons' death. --------- Copyright 2006 The Associated Press Copyright 2006 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 12:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67805 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 19:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 19:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 19:02:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:01:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bUSTGZyo-CMEncPILoDO-rqEwWi8TBu4URVAG2j9mKLThTg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Unusual, but not that unusual. It happens from time to time. Of course=20 School is starting back-up right now, so, I'm certain both students &=20 parents might be a little busy. -Alan (Who's niece starts UofA on Monday) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > Ummm...is everyone okay out there? It's unusual for this list to get > so dead. I think this is a new record -- three days with no messages. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:46:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92472 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:38:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:38:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NRfVqHiy2Bq57DUqueV-iALFT69udTv7ydO4mnGXgYwmgXk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 (Yes, I'm replying to myself - I forgot something!) Of course, I was in Prescott this weekend, and I've been off sick for=20 the past several days. So, I hadn't been posting either. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Unusual, but not that unusual. It happens from time to time. Of=20 course=20 > School is starting back-up right now, so, I'm certain both students &=20 > parents might be a little busy. >=20 > -Alan (Who's niece starts UofA on Monday) >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 > wrote: > > Ummm...is everyone okay out there? It's unusual for this list to=20 get > > so dead. I think this is a new record -- three days with no=20 messages. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10332 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:43:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:43:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:43:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Settlement Reached In Boy's Death At Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RwJURnhoMRbQCXhMQgvrLU9VN0rTgHUJJAEBY_sIuPlV5T8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 16, 2006 The Associated Press NBC 30 http://www.nbc30.com/news/9687868/detail.html?rss=3Dhar&psp=3Dnews HARTFORD, CN -- Court documents shows that Lake Compounce Amusement=20 Park has agreed to a monetary settlement in the death of a 6-y.o. boy. The amusement park in Bristol has agreed to pay $1.2 million to=20 settle a lawsuit filed by the mother of the boy who died in July 2000. The settlement must be approved by the Hartford Probate Court.=20 Deven Alexander was riding in an inner tube going down the "Lake=20 Plunge" water slide when the accident occurred. Lawyers for the boy's estate said Deven's tube flipped over, throwing=20 the boy into the lake. The boy died 6 days after the accident. ------------- Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press Copyright 2006 NBC Universal, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:53:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34751 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 20:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 20:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 20:44:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:36:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:36:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:36:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Thunder Island amusement park for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BG_5feMPGOrtsg5a-VfSb86mtKgOMtoE-JaRKggLRgf8X7E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 17, 2006 The Post-Standard http://www.syracuse.com/business/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/business -4/1155806919120570.xml By Bob Niedt Fulton, NY -- For sale: Amusement park containing water slides, go- carts and a 60' Ferris wheel that had a Hollywood turn. Asking price: $2 million. And the wishes of the family that built it=20 28 years ago and has run it ever since that the new owner keep it=20 going. Thunder Island, the small amusement park on Wilcox Road, off Route=20 48, in Fulton, joins Six Flags Darien Lake as another favorite summer=20 stop for Central New Yorkers that is on the real estate market. Harry & Tammie Perau, who opened the Oswego County park when Jimmy=20 Carter was president 1979 are looking to get out. "Right now, I don't=20 have a 5-year plan. I'm at the end of my last one," said Harry=20 Perau. "I'm just kind of testing the waters. I have some health=20 issues. If I reduce the stress of my life, it would probably help." The park remains profitable and has been every season it's been open,=20 said Perau. And he'd like to see it keep going. "It's not a fire=20 sale. I don't have to sell it," said Perau. "The place makes money,=20 and it's always made money. I don't foresee it failing, under the=20 right owner." Perau said some offers have come in, mostly bidders kicking the=20 tires, some with "too many contingencies" and one close to the asking=20 price. Perau said he didn't sense that bidder had the best interests=20 of the park's staff, TI employs 48 or keeping TI operating as it=20 always had. Seasonal water attractions have been the advertising push of TI,=20 which annually reaches out to the Syracuse market for customers.=20 Those water rides include an extreme body slide, water slides and a=20 mini river ride. Other attractions include go-carts, miniature golf and that legendary=20 Ferris wheel. It is seen in the 1988 Tom Hanks film "Big." The Peraus=20 later bought it and brought it to the park. TI also hosts weddings and other events in its banquet hall, with=20 customized catering. Admission price to the park is $16.95 for a day pass. TI also offers=20 season passes.=20 TI joins 6FDL on the real estate market. 6FDL is one of 6 amusement=20 parks 6F said it is selling. 6F is staggering under $2 billion in=20 debt. While no entertainment industry trade group keeps an exact count on=20 the number of family-owned amusement parks, they remain a staple in=20 the U.S., even after the raging acquisitions in the 1990s by the=20 industry's bigger players, including The Walt Disney Company, 6F and=20 Cedar Fair. "The family-owned parks were always the backbone of our=20 industry," Gary Slade, editor of Amusement Today, a trade publication=20 based in Arlington, TX, told The Associated Press in July. "Do we=20 have less numbers? Yes, but are they going away? No, they have been=20 here and they will continue to be here." Perau said that after a slow start because of rain or the false=20 promise of rain by TV weather forecasters TI attendance this season=20 has picked up and is on a streak as summer winds down. "Sometimes,=20 you can't measure the season until the last day," he said. "But even=20 though the first part of the season was frustrating, it looks like=20 we're going to have a strong finish." --------- =A9 2006 The Post-Standard Copyright 2006 syracuse.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:07:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92394 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 20:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 20:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 20:56:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:53:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2006 20:53:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:53:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park to be resurrected in Maggie Valley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OJ1cQyebSDiDSmojtvBNT8HgxStxfKfWz0dMDuOzf4yN5x4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 16, 2006 Asheville Citizen-Times http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D200660815099 by Angie Newsome MAGGIE VALLEY, NC -=97 Dancers, music and staged gunfights silenced in=20 2001 when Ghost Town in the Sky closed may soon restart, as new=20 owners bought the Maggie Valley property Tuesday and plan to reopen=20 the theme park in May. David Huskins, managing director of tourism marketing and development=20 organization Smoky Mountain Host, said the opening would create up to=20 50 full-time and about 235 part-time jobs while also reigniting hope=20 that tourists will again visit the amusement park and pump dollars=20 into the local economy. "Everything they do there will be an asset to=20 the community," said Monika Brackett, owner of The Chalet, a nearby=20 motel. Huskins helped encourage R.B. Coburn to sell the park's nearly 255=20 total acres to a group called Ghost Town Partners LLC, for an=20 undisclosed amount. The new ownership group is made up of Allen &=20 Carol Harper, owners of the Bryson City-based Great Smoky Mountains=20 Railroad and 2 partners in Jacksonville Beach and Miami, FL. None could be reached for comment Tuesday, though Huskins said the=20 group would make a $12-$13 million investment in the property over=20 the next 2 years. That figure includes $4 million needed to refurbish=20 the 99-acre park, including installing a new chairlift and restoring=20 the incline railway. The property includes 125,000-sq-ft of buildings on more than 20=20 acres. Long-term development plans include adding a water park,=20 retail outlets, condominiums and potential home sites on the=20 remaining undeveloped property. The announcement ended worries some had that the new owners would not=20 keep the property an amusement park, which clocked 300,000 visitors a=20 season at its peak. Cogburn closed GTitS nearly 40 years after the=20 park first began entertaining crowds with staged gunfights in the=20 streets. "We were really tickled that the people who ultimately did=20 get it are going to keep it an amusement park," said Teresa Smith,=20 president of Maggie Valley Area Visitors Bureau. Smith said the town's tourism numbers have been down for the last 5-7=20 years, but potential visitors regularly ask about the park. "Once the=20 word gets out, we're hoping that they're going to flock to Maggie=20 Valley," she said. ---------- Copyright 2006 Asheville Citizen-Times From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:07:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49450 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 12:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 12:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54204.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.246) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 12:15:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 35794 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2006 12:15:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20060817121525.35792.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.27] by web54204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:15:25 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:15:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=rIRN9wlXBgkaSVO3F2vQktYnRzhADqYsu3OWmRX-hBnmZ5Gs7JbxmAtthSGy0Lk4 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well i have been trolling around the Pointbuzz web site recently and everbody is all over the place with what it is going to be. I do know one thing for sure, they have started putting track up as of a few days ago. The CP web site also has a new web cam at the construction site. I agree a new woodie would be nice, but with the MS outcome I don't think CP will put in a new one anytime soon. Based on the size of the construction area and the deight of some of the supports already in place it looks to be a smaler coaster that will do alot of ground hugging. Whatever it turns out to be it should be a great ride no the less. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31321 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 21:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 21:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 21:58:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 75957 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2006 21:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060817215648.75954.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.14.150] by web53107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:56:48 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zmduMzK0x0KgH25gLex60h4QjaQn8ZAblTYtIMCFp4So-nK9ZdfK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think buying a non-coaster family ride would have been "unique" for them as of late. < Well, I mean they have White Water Landing....ooops, no that was torn down. Okay, well they have their dark ride...no, that was torn out as well. They have four carousels...ummm, no, they got rid of one. Well there's mini-golf...uh, but that's an extra charge.... Okay, there's the Sky Ride, the train and the antique cars. And if you're not afraid of heights, there's the Giant Wheel and the Space Spiral. With several miles of nicely paved midway, what more could you want? Besides, what do you think this park is -- Six Flags? Jay --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6951 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 23:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2006 23:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42208.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.209) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 23:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 51626 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2006 23:15:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060817231527.51624.qmail@web42208.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:15:27 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:15:27 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Six Flags America: Hurricane Harbor 8-13-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=6XHWYSUxb4KcxjWOBMAkEMKus2is7GXnVTm5omT6an5wgl2M X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Who: Me and Lady T (uh, Lady T and I, excuse me) What: First Exeperience w/ SFA's waterpark When: Sunday, 13 August 2006 Where: SFA - Largo, MD Why: A chance to see the waterpark before it closes for the season How: Through the magic of the Season Pass Ever since our excursion to Lake Compounce and visit to their waterpark, I planned to get to SFA's Hurricane Harbor to see how it compared. After several weeks of trip SNAFUs, we finally took the long 30min trek over to SFA. We played the role of heathens this day, eschewing church services for the carrot of a near empty park. (note: we usually go to early service and could have easily went and still made it to th epark by opening). For some reason, we were lollygagging (for all you Bull Durham fans) and didnt quite make it to the park at opening. As we turn off of 214 into the park, there is a fairly long back up at the toll booths (so much for that 'carrot'). I ease all the way past them towards the de-marked "employees" lane which at least 'used to' be the parking passholders lane. The security guard notices my sticker and waves me through. I should note, someone else mentioned that the premium parking has been eliminated. I didnt notice anything like that, and apparently, no one else did either as none of the upfront spaces were taken, save for handicapped spots. I'll make a note to look again if we head back out that way this year. As we approach the gates, I spied a ticket taker who had no line meanwhile, several of the other lines were 20 deep. I hope all those people were in a group, otherwise, they were just being dumb lemmings. We slink past the photogs, make a sharp left and enter a part of the park that I dont think I's been in but once: Hurricane Harbor. We quickly decide that we'll play 'beachcomber' and claim a set of lawn chairs around the wave pool as "Hostyl Territory". But first, we must change, which requires the renting of a locker. I cleary asked for a small locker, which the helpful young lady charged me for, but she must have reached into the wrong basket of keys because we got a large one instead. *shrugs*. We toyed with the notion of getting a tube but then didnt know what to do with it so we passed. We grab a couple of chairs in the 2nd row from the wavepool and then notice, noone is in the pool. In fact, the nearby kiddie play area also seems deserted. There are plenty of lifeguards walking around, but no one is in the water. It was like a shark had just come thru or something. We didnt ask, but just figured the pool was still closed. The waterslides, however, were accepting riders, wo we head straight for: TORNADO: Proslide 'Funnel' - 10/10 We grab a two person raft and I immediately figure out that I'm going to get a work out as none of the slides have tube elevators. The wait wasnt too long, maybe 15min tops and once at the top, the girl working there was getting into the spirit, splashing the guests and spinning them around before casting them down the chute. As it's our turn she chortled "Who's going down backwards? Hmm..." Answer: Lady T :) The tunnel part is very dark, loud, and faster than I expected. But that was nothing compared to the drop into the funnel. Maybe, I'm naive, but I wasnt expecting actual airtime. My butt lifted slightly off the raft and I yelped slightly. The rest was rockin good fun and then we hit the wall of water at the exit of the funnel. The strange thing though, when we got to the bottom, the attending lifeguard just kinda looked at us; leaving us to our own devices to get out of the splash pool. At Lake compounce, the bottom guard assisted all riders exiting the pools. I dont know which is the "proper" or "standard" way that most waterparks operate, but this was slightly disconcerting. (cue foreshadowing music) We ended up riding this twice during the day. The second time I got the treat of going backwards; this time on a 4-person cloverleaf raft (though still just the two of us). This confirmed what I had suspected, but refrained from commmenting on a while back. Remember the kids who got hurt at SFGAm on the funnel? One of them remarked that they "went upside down". True, we all know that is physically impossible, but being at the top of the first swing, laying back on the raft, I could see how someone might *percieve* that as being upside down. It certainly didnt feel like being right-side up! But all in all, in the words of Simon Cowell: "Loved it. Absolutely, loved it!" SONG: Rock the Boat - Aaliyah From there we got a little confused, though we were getting in line for one ride, but ended up in line for: BAHAMA BLAST: Proslide DARK Mammoth 6/10 Clearly, this is one of the parks "family" rides. Again, we grab a tube and hike up the stairs. Whilst in line, I notice that one of the other slides is having an issue. A large, but not morbidly obese, man seems to have had trouble going down a tube slide. I dont know if he fell off, or just changed his mind, but the lifeguard at the top walked down the slide to the man, and a supervisor-type walked up the slide to the same point. I wonder what happened (cue music), but it looked like things were fine. Also, while up in line, we notice that the Castaway Creek-lazy river complex is completly drained (Boo closed attractions..hooray beer!). Admittedly, this was on the postedlist of closed attractions, but having not hardly stepped into the waterpark before, the name meant nothing too me. I wonder if there was a malfunction, or if this is another late season Shapiro cutback. As for the ride itself, it was perfectly *meh*. I give it the one bonus point above pure mediocrity simply because, as noted above, this is purely a family ride. I could see the whole clan riding this from junior to grandma (provided she doesnt mind stairs). SONG: Party Up - DMX After that, we double back to the attraction we were originally going for: PARIDISE PLUNGE/REEF RUNNER: ??? tube slide 7/10 This is a pair of slides one open, one enclosed, dont ask me which is named what. We had the choice of single and double tubes. Since Lady T is a bit of a chicken, we select the double. Somewhat more exciting than Bahama Blast, mostly due, I think, to us really being to big to share a raft, when we hit the catch pool, we both caught water wedgies. :) SONG: Paradise by the Dashboard Light - Meatloaf While in line for PP/RR, we saw people in the wavepool, so we headed there next. But on the way we looked into the Hurricane Mountain complex, but it was closed. And the Buccaneer Bay kiddie area was still devoid of peeps, but with plenty of lifeguards. We relaxed in the wave pool for only a few minutes before they announced the hourly clearing. We joked that there was no "safety inspection" that was needed, but rather, they just wanted people to buy food. Well, it seems to work as all the kids around us were begging for money to get snacks. :) After sunbathing for a while (yes, even black people sunbathe lol), I got bored, so I suggested we go over to one set of slides we missed. The sign said "Pick a Shark and Ride" so we chose: MAKO: ??? single tube half-enclosed slide 7.5/10 There is not much to the slide, it's basically just a quadruple-down with the first two drops enclosed and the others in the air, with a water curtain sparating the twain. There was some pretty significant airtime on the 2nd and 3rd drops and again, a water wedgie. :) SONG: Deepest Blue (Shark's Fin) - LL Cool J The wavepool re-opened and we headed over there. By now, the crowds wre picking up, though i wouldnt call it "crowded". I'll assume here that it is pretty standard procedure that a horn/whistle goes off evertime the waves are going to start, but Good Grief: people lost their friggin' minds. Half the people ran towards the water, while the other half ran *out* of the water. And I'm not just talking kids. The "adults" were wylin' too! This time while in the pool, it seemed like we ended up in the "couples" sections. Ther were no less than five couple clinging to each other tightly. I wont speculate on what was happening below the froth. We then went back for a little more Tornado, where the line was twice as long. Again, this was a very fun ride and I understand what Burke & Co. bought so many of them (Shapiro would be wise to stick with that trend). By now, the kids play area was populated. We watched the kiddies play for a little while, then noticed that another complex had opened: HURRICANE MOUNTAIN: ??? 4-slide single tube complex Yes, it's a four slide complex, but only one slide, Agnes, was open. I though it odd that the op at the top of the slide was not in swimwear. Heck, she had on sandals with socks. Odd. Also, the slide complex is built into a fairly thick set of woods which I would think would obscure view of the slide (more creepy music). Anyway, I board the tube and on the very first turn, I feel that the channel is a little too narrow. The second turn, my feet hit the wall of the turn. On the fourth turn, my feet hit the wall and I capsized. I hit the bottom of the slide with the side of my face, bending my sunglasses. Somehow though, I never let go of the handles, so hear I am, sliding down with the tube riding me. :( After a couple of turns, I was fortunate enough to right myself and skidded into the catch pool. A moment to get my bearings, and checking to see if I had pulled a Rothelisbeger and dented my face. What was suprising though, was that nobody noticed! Maybe because I *ended up* right-side up they assume all was well. But I'd think that if you *saw* someone flip, you'd at least perfunctorilly ask 'are you okay?' But I think therein lies the problem, I dont think anyone saw a thing. SONG: Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See - Busta Rhymes (Flipmode is the Squi-dodd) Well as you can guess, I wasnt keen on riding *that* again, so we went back my the wavepool. I just wanted to sit for a momnet and regain all my senses. In retrospect, I should have notified someone, or sought medical attention, but I felt fine and figured I'd be aiight (and I am, thank you for asking :)). After a few minutes or so, Lady T was tired so we cut the day short and left. I dont think that we were there but 4hrs. But it was pleasant enough. A couple of park notes, while most of the lifeguards seemed alert, on more than just Agnes did it seem like a few of them were, how shall I say, distracted. On the "Shark" ride, the guy wouldnt even give people the all clear. Riders were asking *him* when to go. And, as I mentioned before, none of the "catch pool" guards were assisting people out of the water. Oddly, in the changing rooms, there were no seats in the private changing areas, only benches in the common area (at least for the men, Lady T says the women had seats). On the bright side, the park was very clean. In fact, the main midway was very Cedar Fair-like in that there seemed to be a trash can every five feet or so. On the downside, there were no costumed characters in the waterpark. I mean come on, Wonder Woman is practically wearing a swimsuit already and what better place for Aquaman? Thanks for reading? jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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18 Aug 2006 10:37:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:37:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.201.29 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Topical retread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ZTv7JlFzwOoJGigs4bwsuB7uYJTNbhrddp5iWqRFkhJUIRLvGw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Ummm...is everyone okay out there? It's unusual for this list to=20 get > so dead. I think this is a new record -- three days with no=20 messages. It's happened before, I usually comment on those occasions, myself,=20 but with no longer being able to post from work or when I am out to=20 sea, I've been pretty quiet here for a while.=20 =20 > Well, to jump-start a conversation I'll bring up that tired=20 subject of > CP's new coaster. Does anyone have any new guesses as to what it > might be? I'm wondering if CP is going the Wicked Twister route=20 and > just getting a bigger version of something Intamin already=20 produces, > or whether this will be something completely different. > Jay > I'm starting to think that they might be getting one of the Intamin=20 Wing Walker designs, but since there are two train designs for those=20 (based on the EU patent application drawings) they (Port =3DAventura=20 and CP) can both have the 'first' of that type. Since Port=20 Aventura's model is known to be a launched Wing Walker and the=20 layout is all fairly low to the ground, that makes me lean this way.=20 The other thing I'm wondering, as I haven't seen an overhead of the=20 footers if it is in fact a dual tracked version. That'd be pretty=20 cool. I'm leaning away from my earlier supposition af an AquaTrax. Chris B From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Aug 18 08:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37858 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 15:50:49 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so910400ugf for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr1869021ugg; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:50:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement park to be resurrected in Maggie Valley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=wTSV6bmtNx0G5T3hFM4yy3_3fok4Wm5cuJx_Gwn-W36fXbI4eLfLb5o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Cogburn closed GTitS nearly 40 years after the > park first began entertaining crowds I can't imagine I'm the only one who feels this is a poor abbreviation. :-) -Nate From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 09:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72744 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 16:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 16:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 16:17:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2006 16:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2006 16:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2006 16:16:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:16:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park to be resurrected in Maggie Valley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=nXhMKAJMiH3C-FH3r6oW00DAbXhVX6Jy3Gfs9JcJ9YvG4LRf8D6X X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Cogburn closed GTitS nearly 40 years after the > > park first began entertaining crowds >=20 > I can't imagine I'm the only one who feels this is a poor=20 > abbreviation. :-) I think it's GREAT! :-) Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Fri Aug 18 11:33:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21710 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 18:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 18:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7IGMrnR005860 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019101c6c2e2$95caa140$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement park to be resurrected in Maggie Valley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3S_khjFO1cybeUZLNVl8pyN0asoLU6Rs2ZYhGv6vaVhX07e3CU-NzZKulQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Cogburn closed GTitS nearly 40 years after the >> park first began entertaining crowds > > I can't imagine I'm the only one who feels this is a poor abbreviation. > :-) > > -Nate I'm having flashbacks from the summer of 2000 when we had at the same time MF for Millennium Force SOB for Son of Beast From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64379 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2006 20:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2006 20:19:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:19:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park to be resurrected in Maggie Valley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dXvKi1m8JQ_2CdmzcBbdXOveWm09YLGECxSs80A-u5Nykug X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey, I didn't name the place I just abbreviated it :p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 > wrote: > > > Cogburn closed GTitS nearly 40 years after the > > > park first began entertaining crowds > >=20 > > I can't imagine I'm the only one who feels this is a poor=20 > > abbreviation. :-) >=20 > I think it's GREAT! :-) > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 15:56:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11719 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 22:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2006 22:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42201.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 22:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 87737 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2006 22:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060818224128.87735.qmail@web42201.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.179.90.32] by web42201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:41:28 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: News: FoF @ PKD Re-opens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=YK29XdimDEmeHHWUH_s0F03T2BSPhb5P4ktDSfIOKJJth13l X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 After much spec-u-la-ta-ting, it seems that FoF @ PKD is open again. I haven't been to the park, but I got a postcard today from PKD that reads: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's back! Re-opened by popular demand, come out to Paramount's Kings Dominion and ride the world's first LIM roller coaster - again and again! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do note, however, that it is not yet been added back to the website. Sorry if this is old news, but it was the first I had seen of it! Cheers, jeremy --off to williamsburg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 23:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10215 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2006 04:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2006 04:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.81) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2006 04:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 70540 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2006 04:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20060819044409.70538.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:44:09 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:44:09 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=9bonfdh2sVLGOi13JOABB9QTsrvDkY_a5SiWAy8wBzi-yFfzdm1t X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Just took a look at the pics posted at Pointbuzz: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=5058 There are no inversions in sight, but lots of ground hugging and quick direction changes. And that's alright by me. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (much too busy planning a Vegas Wedding and Hawaiian cruise to post to the list!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Aug 19 07:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4429 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2006 14:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2006 14:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2006 14:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2006 14:16:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2006 14:16:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:16:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060819044409.70538.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=FKzDqC63MyxoXV6rdfA3I-WnuO1mGdSpPMrEZOR7RGzHMsOGKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > Just took a look at the pics posted at Pointbuzz: >=20 > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3D5058 >=20 > There are no inversions in sight, but lots of ground > hugging and quick direction changes. And that's > alright by me.=20=20 Odd.... >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. (much too busy planning a Vegas Wedding and > Hawaiian cruise to post to the list!) Uh.... Obviously not.... From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Aug 19 09:06:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95167 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2006 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2006 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2006 16:06:57 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (99-130.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.130.99]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7JExC9G005670 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c6c3a0$0eba9390$63827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:59:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=c5ow-odZUfPtoRq72s2U_pPNXkqCXm9AyT9lxSnGWtEgeW3ZsN9S X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you read between the lines, "are ya up for some serious sidewindin", and look at these pictures...... it's become clear that this coaster is going to be one that curves alot. It appears this one is not being built to take any records (speed, inversions etc...) Joe Tampa, FL (every coaster built isn't going to be out to be break records, I think we just have come to expect this from CP due to TTD and the rumors about a 500 foot coaster) I do believe CP isn't in any position to be breaking records with the recent acquisition of Paramount Parks unless they have a coaster already purchased, and are just waiting a few years. ----- Original Message ----- From: djbosshogg To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New CP coaster > Just took a look at the pics posted at Pointbuzz: > > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=5058 > > There are no inversions in sight, but lots of ground > hugging and quick direction changes. And that's > alright by me. Odd.... > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. (much too busy planning a Vegas Wedding and > Hawaiian cruise to post to the list!) Uh.... Obviously not.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Aug 20 11:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70140 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 18:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:05:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 18:05:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 18:05:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2006 18:05:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:05:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c6c3a0$0eba9390$63827f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.126.11.249 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=G9JacdQrMvF2j0iH8h3ByzeqNTqjy5rZ9MPpsXHvjZ60bFcRyZc6Hjh6ww X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > > If you read between the lines, "are ya up for some serious=20 sidewindin", and look at these pictures...... it's become > clear that this coaster is going to be one that curves alot. It=20 appears this one is not being built to take any records (speed,=20 inversions > etc...)=20=20 perhaps something similar to a Superman like the ones at SFNE or=20 SFDL? or since there is so much ground hugging, a smaller MF?=20 > (every coaster built isn't going to be out to be break records, I=20 think we just have come to expect this from CP due to TTD and the=20 rumors > about a 500 foot coaster) maybe im getting old, but i just dont see the point. they cant even=20 get the 400 feet ones working properly, whats it going to be like=20 with a 500 ft one? unless they can build a pulley like the one on MF=20 thats even faster, a 500 ft coaster doesnt sound feasible. but more importantly, is there really a need for a 500 ft coaster,=20 other than just to say that its a 500 ft coaster? seems to me the=20 200, 250 or 300 feet ones work just fine at creating more than=20 enough forces, if the coaster itself is designed correctly. you can=20 get a lot more accolades and mileage from a well designed innovative=20 ride(SROS, X) than some behemoth (KindaKa, TTD). is an extra 100 or=20 200 feet really going to matter? id rather see some better designs=20 that dont peter out at the second half just for height or speed's=20 sake.=20 > I do believe CP isn't in any position to be breaking records with=20 the recent acquisition of Paramount Parks unless they > have a coaster already purchased, and are just waiting a few years. true that. it always seemed that they were building stuff to compete=20 with SF, but now with SF on the ropes and downsizing, they dont=20 really have to prove anything to anyone. here's hoping that go back=20 to planning whats really important-quality, not quantity, speed or=20 height.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38392 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 00:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 00:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 00:11:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 64909 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2006 00:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060821001104.64907.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.95] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:11:04 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:11:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=rDtYOqW6kFIPVFH5Wtanh92BLLOdK3WziyQg4BGyvyAcx71YWCMq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few things caught my eyes: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3D5053 < Has this coaster been assembled and tested elsewhere? There are wear marks= from the tires already visible along the track. > http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3D5036 < The alignment on this looks a bit sloppy. > http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=3D5024 < I've never seen bolts like these on the sides of the supports. I wonder wh= at they could be. A fireplug? The layout is really peculiar. At this point, there don't seem to be any h= ills at all. It's really looking more like a high-speed dark ride. And why is it that so many Intamin tracks are painted red? Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Aug 20 17:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99428 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 00:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 00:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.230) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 00:24:01 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s16so715454wxc for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr8620972wxa; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h15sm4105957wxd.2006.08.20.17.23.57; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:23:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:24:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcbEtmHEL6hxL6htRJydXV7yOCX0AgAAT8lA In-Reply-To: <20060821001104.64907.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-ID: <44e8fd1e.040fa502.54f0.ffffb68b@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=dOjVGqtIpwYYPLXdHUlET5uDcyLPcieeOauhRr9M-QapXpM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> http://www.pointbuz z.com/Gallery.aspx?i=5053 < >Has this coaster been assembled and tested elsewhere? There are wear marks from the tires already visible along the track. You may be looking at the primer on steel with no paint. Intamin, Gerstlauer and others deliver some coasters with unpainted wheel strips along the route to eliminate the problem of paint flaking off where the wheels come into contact. >> http://www.pointbuz z.com/gallery.aspx?i=5024 < >I've never seen bolts like these on the sides of the supports. I wonder what they could be. A fireplug? It doesn't look much different than some of the supports on Rita. http://www.rcdb.com/ig2787.htm?picture=3 Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35577 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 08:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 08:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 08:38:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:38:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:38:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44e8fd1e.040fa502.54f0.ffffb68b@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=036ilbc7hJLnE8FehZfx6H4PLIOd9FeJanG__VnUyA8Waqdz5g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam F. Sandy"=20 wrote: > It doesn't look much different than some of the supports on Rita. >=20 > http://www.rcdb.com/ig2787.htm?picture=3D3 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Adam That's the name that came to mind once track started going 'up'.=20 (Nothing's gone very up yet!)=20 I am wondering if this will be a layout similar to Rita;s but longer?=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85408 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 08:54:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:54:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Counting down and counting up. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WoE8oatiBOHFJJUuRnD5_8CWQukgfpKnYpm50PvuQqeiTMDqmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm heading out to sea tomorrow, so I won't be able to post for a=20 couple weeks. I'm hoping that with the latest change to my ship's=20 schedule, I can hit coaster number 600 this week. I am looking to=20 visit Tegarayama Yuen, Mt Ikoma Skyland, and Space World. If there's=20 time, I'll add in Kobe Fruit and Flower Park and Tojoko Land.=20 IF I can get all of them, I'll be at 604, with only opportunity for=20 about 5 more new for me coasters in Japan plus a final trip to=20 DisneySea for the new Tower of Terror ride before moving in early=20 October.=20 I think I've writen up a fair share of trip reports while I've been=20 living in Italy, Bahrain (OK, only 1 from there!) and Japan.=20 I'm a little sad to be moving back to the USA, but they've been busy=20 building coasters there, too while I've been gone for the past six=20 years!=20 For those of you that live in the Chicago area, I'm sure we'll meet=20 up soon, and for those of you that live a little further away, I=20 hope I can travel to your home parks and hang out, too!=20 Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 10:06:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13559 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 17:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 17:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 17:05:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 17:04:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2006 17:04:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:04:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: New Arizona Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qEMTi9ceUGtVrAZWXcm3PnuEgueWBJPoKA558wnFxqxYGp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I know I haven't said much about this over the past year. That's=20 because there hasn't been much said over the past year. However, I was talking with a couple of acquaintances (Real Estate=20 Agents - go figure!), and they brought up the subject about the=20 Amusement parks. I did a little rooting around, and came across a power point. I don't=20 know how current it is, but I thought it was interesting. It's entitled, "Grand Canyon Northland Amusements & Entertainment=20 LLC": www.gcnae.com/images/gcnae.ppt And here is the company over seeing what's going on at Williams/Grand=20 Canyon: http://www.gcnae.com/ Here's a little background information on the whole thing: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0429themepark29 .html -Alan From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 21 14:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48531 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 21:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 21:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc15.comcast.net) (63.240.77.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 21:29:18 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <20060821212619015000kf3je>; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:26:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:26:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.85 From: Bill Childs Subject: Steel Pier to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=fNq-zeukX85El8v4rfDBDQDlVYHt5m1kHq87g7IASrmsPqd9FOwzLA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam http://www.nbc10.com/news/9710992/detail.html?rss=phi&psp=news From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 17:20:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47125 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 00:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 00:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 00:20:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 37712 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 00:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060822001924.37710.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.250.89] by web53108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:19:24 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:19:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: New CP coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=IWPiloCdcbEmwrv9SFhDfTOnE128knLUV29UlIumnC93EFPRvz4h X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You may be looking at the primer on steel with no paint. Intamin, Gerstlauer and others deliver some coasters with unpainted wheel strips along the route to eliminate the problem of paint flaking off < Ah yes, well that would explain it. > It doesn't look much different than some of the supports on Rita. < If you examine that photo > http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery.aspx?i=5024 < you can see an odd sort of bolt near the top of each support. It really looks more like the valve control on a fire hydrant, or a plug to a household sink trap. But now that you mentioned it, yeah, it does look like it could be shaping up to be a Rita rehash. If so, does CP really need another launched coaster? I guess if it could deliver more air time than TTD or MF, it might be worth it. I wonder if this had already been contracted during the TTD days. Jay --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serpmage@juno.com Tue Aug 22 07:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 718 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 14:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 14:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 14:25:48 -0000 Received: from webmail06.lax.untd.com (webmail06.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.146]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCQYE8NABCKZ72 for (sender ); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAEOOhHWb0i6xSgnKLh0WJM2SSHsQF3dXJw== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail06.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LYDTDJG5; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:24:59 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail06.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:24:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:24:24 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060822.072459.2704.746958@webmail06.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:607828785 X-MAIL-INFO:0035cd813ded053d75aded7c057c6c1d413c1121498d4ca8653c41dd582da53d4c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.146|webmail06.lax.untd.com|webmail06.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: BGE Crowds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=dhhrKt9CX6VppsRk5QTa4aUiHKeHVQm6RamCPYn4xqLf7YnNDg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Hey, does anyone know how bad the crowds get at BGE over Labor Day=20 weekend? I'm thinking of going on that Sunday, the 3rd, but am a=20 little apprehensive about how packed the park is going to be. Would=20 I be better off going the following weekend, the 9th or 10th, when=20 park hours are reduced? Thanks, Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63798 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 17:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 17:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 17:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2006 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2006 17:09:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:09:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.226.172.27 From: "WILEY" Subject: TR: Geauga Lake - 08/21/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=oRXCcdkCa9XiTioQ0jSH0VOqgle_ZFX37RY88nZBBlZUSmIMx-GBWCrjJdpOgJGq X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 This was a very spur of the moment trip. I got up at 6 am to get=20 ready for work when about 6:30 some friends of mine called and said=20 they were going to the park and wanted to know if I wanted to go=20 too.=20 HMMM...go to work or ride coasters all day? TOUGH DESCISION(LOL).=20 Needless to say I played hookey from work. We got to the park around 1pm. It was great because the park wasn't=20 busy at all.=20=20 First stop: Pepsi Plunge - 15 min. wait I sure hope CF doesn't decide to take out this log ride like=20 they have at Cedar point. I is a great way to cool of on a warm day. Second stop: Double Loop - walked on (middle of train) For an old Arrow this one still packs a pretty good punch. The=20 middle of the train gives you some nice air time in a couple of=20 spots, which is always a bonus. Third stop: Thunderhawk - 20 min. wait (front seat) The front is the only way to go so you can see and get the true=20 feeling of flying. One thing I noticed this time is how the trains=20 lag going throug the inversions(front car only). You get this slow=20 down feeling about half way through an inversion waiting on the rest=20 of the train to catch up. I is actually pretty cool to feel. Fourh stop: The Beach Comber - For lunch I was really impressed with the food here. At first glance the=20 prices seemed high, but when the food came the portions were nice=20 size. I had the chicken fingers basket, and I could barely eat all=20 of it. FREE refills too!!! Fifth Stop: The Big Dipper - walk on (back seat) This is my sentimental favorite. THe old girl has never let me=20 down for a great ride. I spent more time out of my seat than in it. the only thing I miss is it being painted white. It always looked=20 so impressive when it was the color. Sixth stop - Wild Water Kingdom Even though I didn't ride. I was quite impressed with the new=20 water park. There was plenty of lounge chairs for you to sit back=20 and relax. My friends wanted to do some water slides, so I found a=20 lounge chair and had a few drinks and enjoyed the rest. Seventh stop - Raging Wolf Bobs - Walk on (back seat) This little baby never ceases to amaze me. With the retracking=20 done recently she rides alot smoother and seems to be quicker.=20=20 Plenty of air time to boot. Eight stop - Dominator - 10 min wait (front seat) Even though I have heard several people say the this B&M is=20 sort of rough I like it. They were basically turning off the mid=20 ride brake run so you hit the corkscrews at the end of the ride=20 flying like crazy. I have to give a big shout out to the crew=20 working they were great. Ninth stop - Texas Twister - walk on Belive it or not this was my first ride on this one. I liked=20 it, but once was enough for me. Final stop - X-Flight - 20 min wait (second row) My friend had never riden this before so we saved it for last.=20=20 They were blown away. I still can't help but get nervous when the=20 car flips over and your body drops against the retraints. I think=20 your mind goes HEY I DON'T LIKE THIS, but you heart says BRING IT ON. Overall it was a great day and a great stress relief for me. I=20 was worried that I was not going to get to ride this summer, because=20 I have been so busy at work this year. The only let downs that I had were that The Villan and Steel=20 Venom were not running. The only bad thing all day was the=20 bathrooms. The one by the main entrance on the ride side was very=20 nice, but the ones in the back and an the water side were very dirty. I hope CF addresses this problem in coming seasons. Even with this=20 drawback the park is gaining some of its old charm back, and I will=20 return again next year. =20 From serpmage@juno.com Wed Aug 23 09:37:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58810 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 16:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 16:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 16:35:51 -0000 Received: from webmail39.lax.untd.com (webmail39.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.179]) by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCQ29MPA52NGE2 for (sender ); Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hANIRlmOeOUSxTKgbrNi93cH2mAOaA6dS/w== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail39.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LYGKND2D; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:07:44 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail39.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:07:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:07:19 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060823.090744.26645.758248@webmail39.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 18:9:741270442 X-MAIL-INFO:05377e0737bbbbaabbabaa9ff7af5ed72ee33bd367ba3b024e4e035a4e439befca4b37cfc32e5a5ef33f5e2a83f7d3771adf37dabeab2a9f635eca13d397c3d39aca6a1bda6bf30b0f0e8f2fbf4e4bbf43ba4ea74ba793b3fe1be3277f7ae75aae1bfeef036e7bbfe7 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.179|webmail39.lax.untd.com|webmail39.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with “Griffon” X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=wxdrLYFRtPdXgGlNRrsWjT8jCziezODgPg8w54DWCFYaQQe1Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with =93Griffon=94=20 =20 8/23/2006 12:00:00 AM Park Debuts World=92s Tallest, Only Floorless Dive Coaster WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (August 23, 2006) -- Teased since early July with=20 park billboards touting =93Like Nothing Else in the World,=94 Busch=20 Gardens Europe took the plunge and unveiled its latest steel marvel,=20 Griffon, the world=92s tallest and only floorless dive coaster.=20=20 Currently under construction, this diving, driving force in roller=20 coaster engineering will debut at Busch Gardens late spring 2007.=20=20 Griffon will send riders through an extraordinary journey 205 feet up=20 and 90 degrees straight down at more than 70 mph =96 and that=92s just=20 the beginning. The name Griffon evokes the power and speed of a=20 mythical beast that is part eagle and part lion. The ride twists,=20 turns and plunges =96 giving riders a breathtaking adventure unlike any=20 coaster experience in the world.=20=20 =93With its adrenalin-pumping vertical drops, high speed, a mid-air=20 pause, multiple coaster elements and overall experience, Griffon is=20 certain to fulfill thrill seekers=92 expectations,=94 said Donnie Mills,=20 executive vice-president and general manager for Busch Gardens Europe=20 and Water Country USA. Griffon will incorporate two Immelman loops (a simultaneous loop and=20 roll, the name of which was derived from the World War I German=20 flying ace who invented the tactical maneuver). The world=92s first=20 floorless dive coaster also incorporates a second 130-foot dive and=20 one water feature with spectacular viewing platforms where ride=20 watchers can share in the thrills. Each floorless coaster car will=20 consist of three, 10-person wide rows. =93The view will be spectacular and every seat on Griffon will offer an=20 excellent ride,=94 said Mills. The roller coaster is being constructed by Bolliger & Mabillard of=20 Monthey, Switzerland on the former LeMans Raceway site in the French=20 section of the Williamsburg theme park. Griffon is the fifth member=20 of the park=92s family of renowned coasters. Construction began July 6, 2006. The most recent roller coaster to=20 debut at Busch Gardens was Apollo=92s Chariot in 1999. Busch Gardens Europe and Water Country USA in Williamsburg are=20 Anheuser-Busch Adventure Parks. Other Anheuser-Busch Adventure Parks=20 include Busch Gardens Africa and Adventure Island in Tampa Bay;=20 SeaWorld Adventure Parks in Orlando, San Diego and San Antonio;=20 Sesame Place, a children=92s play park near Philadelphia; and Discovery=20 Cove in Orlando, a family vacation experience featuring interaction=20 with dolphins and other marine animals. For more information, visit=20 buschgardens.com or call (800) 343-7946. http://www.buschgardens.com/bgw/ftp_press_releases_details.aspx?ID=3D75 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 23 09:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27480 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 16:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 16:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (69.17.72.83) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from www.buzzneon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A79A9A for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 69.221.195.132 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cameron); by www.buzzneon.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <27363.69.221.195.132.1156351860.squirrel@69.221.195.132> In-Reply-To: <20060823.090744.26645.758248@webmail39.lax.untd.com> References: <20060823.090744.26645.758248@webmail39.lax.untd.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:51:00 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 69.17.72.83 From: "Cameron Silver" Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with =?iso-8859-1?Q?=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ULYBFNz0hTQR01VbjTNYfh6pUbfKqr0QGub6UI1wEZyT3-LY X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Obscene!!! > Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with “Griffon” > > 8/23/2006 12:00:00 AM > > Park Debuts World’s Tallest, Only Floorless Dive Coaster From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 10:29:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29834 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 17:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 17:24:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:20:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:20:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:20:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060823.090744.26645.758248@webmail39.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tmglfyXFS3F7hjZPyMzu_NXqnlxQY1SukTG4iKe3p2PqMo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 They have a great video! http://www.buschgardens.com/bgw/ar_rides.aspx -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 10:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88412 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 17:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 17:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 17:39:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:39:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:39:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:39:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park ride shut down for season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UqS8FYBraum-IZ2uqGw6EAWdbH4quBLWWQn_nb24vWW5w5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/23/2006 The Associated Press WKYC-NBC http://www.wkyc.com/news/rss_article.aspx?ref=3DRSS&storyid=3D55946 by Dave Grendzynski MASON, OH -- State officials say it's doubtful any more riders will=20 take a spin on the Son of Beast this year. The roller coaster at=20 Paramount's Kings Island has been shut down since July 9th, when an=20 accident sent 27 people to the hospital. A spokeswoman for the Ohio Department of Agriculture says she doesn't=20 expect the ride to go again this season. She indicates the=20 investigation isn't close to being wrapped up. After today, PKI will be open just 2 more weekends and will then=20 close until its October Fear Fest. The park in southwest Ohio has been rebuilding a damaged portion of=20 Son of Beast and this week is testing the ride with water-filled=20 dummies in the seats. ------------ =A9 2006 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 10:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44834 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 17:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 17:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 17:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:43:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:43:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:43:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:43:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: No fun - Unfinished amusement park for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VF8h8OdRvVtmmJJWZzZz6HHaiFPqK2CZ2Jb0yT1aUiIHiPA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/22/2006 NBC-2 http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=3D8508&z=3D3&p=3D by Kathryn Simmons FORT MYERS, FL -- It's not even finished, but owners of a planned go- cart and arcade park have put it up for sale. Court records show the=20 owners of Zoomers owe banks and construction companies millions of=20 dollars. Zoomers is just south of Fort Myers on Summerlin Road. The opening of=20 the amusement park has been stalled several times since 2005. Federal bankruptcy records show Zoomers has drained its cash and=20 needs an investor or buyer if the park is going to be saved.=20 Apparently the owners don't have the $500,000 needed to finish=20 construction and fund operations so they have put the park up for=20 sale. The asking price is $15 million. In April, the Florida Community Bank filed a mortgage foreclosure on=20 Zoomers' property. Later that month Zoomers' holding company filed=20 for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Federal documents show the owners owe 20=20 companies $1.3 million and they owe the bank $9.6 million. Zoomers' part owner, Timothy Miles, blames the delay and financial=20 strain on several hurricanes and the increased cost of building=20 supplies. He says if they get the money, construction could be=20 complete in 2-3 months. ------- =A9 2006 by NBC2 NEWS =A9 Copyright 1996 - 2006 Waterman Broadcasting Corporation From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23433 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 17:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 17:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 17:52:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:52:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:52:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement-ride operators stress safety X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SBh-IO7ij1YQ92DlrqVojzVqx0oVH7utPPKHX7uFiSKVfJM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 23, 2006 ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS Duluth News Tribune http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/local/15339192.h tm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dduluthsuperior_local BY MEGAN BOLDT ST. PAUL, MN -- They throw you, flip you and spin you around in every=20 direction possible. And every day, a team of workers tries to ensure=20 you get off that amusement ride thrilled - and unharmed. That's the expectation of any ride-lover. So in the wake of highly=20 publicized accidents this summer at a Hinckley, MN, carnival and=20 Valleyfair theme park in Shakopee, MN, officials at the Minnesota=20 State Fair say they're taking precautions to make sure their visitors=20 are safe when they're strapped into a ride. Jim Sinclair, a deputy GM at MSF, said his team has always had high=20 expectations for ride operators and the equipment they run. "Are=20 those incidents of concern? Of course they are," Sinclair said. "I=20 think that it just makes us more vigilant and more aware of the=20 safety measures we have in place. There's nobody more important to us=20 than the guests that come to the fair. And we won't compromisetheir=20 safety." In May, a Valleyfair roller coaster derailed because of a=20 malfunctioning mounting bracket, slightly injuring 15 riders. 2=20 months later, 2 teenage girls were seriously injured when they were=20 thrown from the Zipper ride at the Hinckley festival. The operator=20 told authorities he might have left a key out of the door that=20 opened, although 2 other safety measures should have kept the girls=20 in the ride. Minnesota has some of the most lax regulations for amusement rides in=20 the country, industry officials have said. The state mandates that=20 companies have insurance and annual private inspections, but it=20 doesn't perform any of its own inspections and doesn't collect injury=20 reports as others do. Sinclair said MSF goes above and beyond the minimum requirements. MSF=20 runs its own Midway; instead of hiring 1 carnival company, it=20 contracts with dozens of providers to operate the 68 rides across the=20 Fairgrounds and takes into consideration their safety record. MSF also contracts with Joe Bixler, president of International=20 Leisure Consulting, to provide inspection services throughout the=20 year. On Tuesday, a crew of the firm's inspectors were examining the=20 various rides as they were being set up along the Midway. They will=20 remain on-site throughout the fair's run. As one fair season ends, Sinclair starts the ride selection process=20 for next year. He looks for what rides they need or for equipment=20 that's new and unique. But most importantly, Sinclair's crew starts=20 researching the interested operator's safety record and reputation. If MSF officials haven't had previous experience with the provider or=20 if it's a new piece of equipment, they send Bixler out to inspect it=20 and watch it run. Ride providers must have proof of insurance and an annual inspection=20 from an outside source to work the MSF. Their machines also are=20 subjected to an electrical inspection. Bixler and his crew then=20 examine all the rides during set-up and perform random checks=20 throughout the fair. Operators are required to inspect their equipment each day and report=20 the results to fair officials. "The last thing any of these folks=20 want is a smudge on their record," Sinclair said. "They appreciate=20 that there is another set of eyes and ears out there watching and=20 listening for things." Michael Wood, owner of Wood Entertainment based in San Antonio, TX,=20 agrees. He has worked the MSF the past 11 years and has 6 rides this=20 year, including the Magnum, which spins and flips its riders at the=20 same time. "They strive to put these devices in the hands of the very=20 best people," Wood said. "The guidelines here are very stringent." In the event something does go wrong, the rides also have many backup=20 devices to ensure safety. About 1/3 of the rides at the fair won't=20 start if all the lap bars aren't latched properly, Sinclair said. If=20 there's a power outage on the Sky Ride, there's a gasoline engine=20 that can get the gondolas moving again. If that fails, there is a=20 back-up generator. MSF officials also work with police and fire departments so there are=20 emergency evacuation plans in place for rides, and they practice them. But fair officials and operators say ride lovers also need to make=20 sure they're being safe as well. Pay attention and follow the rules,=20 Bixler said. Read all the posted warnings and safety requirements.=20 And watch the ride operator. Accidents usually happen because the rider or operator isn't paying=20 attention, Wood said. "Most of the time, rides don't hurt people.=20 People hurt people," he said. "You can have the safest car in the=20 world. But if you put a drunk driver behind the wheel, it doesn't=20 matter." -------- =A9 2006 Duluth News Tribune and wire service sources From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87822 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 18:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 18:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 18:04:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:59:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 17:59:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: What's new this year at the Minnisota State Fair? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gzBcrtTS_LJ4eMr8QL9pR4IxOHvfY3xXOCTpVdfrTX5rRbE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 23, 2006 ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS Duluth News Tribune http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/local/15339195.h tm ST. PAUL, MN -- The Minnesota State Fair is almost 150 y.o., but that=20 doesn't mean there isn't something new to see, eat or try. This year,=20 vendors are trotting out attractions featuring new-age lifestyles,=20 new media wonders and new chances to show off your chops. Among the innovations: =95 Love chocolate? Try Chocolate Chip Cookies on a stick (Axel's,=20 southeast corner outside Food Building), Chocolate Dipped=20 Marshmallows on a stick (Ultimate Confections, Lower Grandstand) or=20 Chocolate Chip Cookie and Pretzel Cones (Nitro Ice Cream, east aisle=20 of Food Building). =95 Looking for some spice? Sample the Spicy Black Bean Burger (the=20 Boulevard Grill, Warner Coliseum), Nacho Sistah, dough wrapped Tex- Mex sausage (Sausage Sister & Me, east aisle of Food Building) or=20 Buffalo Chicken-filled Wontons (LeeAnn Chin, east aisle of Food=20 Building). =95 If you are hankering for the more traditional MSF fare, head over=20 to Hot Dish on a stick (Ole and Lena's, Liggett St., south of=20 Midway), Beer Battered Bratwurst on a stick (O'Gara's, east aisle of=20 Food Building) or Burkeburger, a burger with a cheesy bun (Blue Mood=20 Dine-In Theatre, corner of Carnes Ave. and Chambers St.). =95 And then there's food that makes you say hmmm -- Political Pops,=20 DFL-branded ice cream bars (in front of DFL Party Booth) or Coconut=20 Shrimp Wontons (Chinatown, MN, Nelson St. near Dan Patch Ave.). =95 Wanna change the world or yourself? Check out Eco Experience, which=20 focuses on renewable energy (Progress Center Building); Thrivent=20 Builds with Habitat for Humanity, which teaches about housing needs=20 (Promos on W. Dan Patch Ave.); Kashi Day of Change Tour, which=20 encourages healthier lifestyles (Cooper St. -- only Sept. 1-4); and=20 CareerBuilder.com, online job searches (Judson Ave. at Cooper St.). =95 Feel like moving your bod or watching others move theirs? For you=20 there's USA Basketball (North of the Arts Center on Randall Ave.),=20 NBA Fair (Promos on W. Dan Patch Ave.) and Dance Heads (Adventure=20 Park). =95 Have the family along or want to see animals create theirs? Visit a=20 revamped CHS Miracle of Birth Center (Judson St., east of the Warner=20 Coliseum); the Family Fair, with a Crayola exhibit and a Build-A-Bear=20 Workshop (Baldwin Park); Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom tour=20 (northeast corner of Murphy Ave. and Cooper St.); or Walden Media,=20 with reading stations and coloring pages (Promos on W. Dan Patch=20 Ave.). And of course there are always new people to watch. That's completely=20 free and invariably changing. -------------- =A9 2006 ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS =A9 2006 Duluth News Tribune and wire service sources From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:38:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79576 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 18:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 18:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 18:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:28:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:28:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:28:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: $5 million upgrade planned prior to May 2007 opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FAbodfZFCcvbIMrJrB0hy3vk6wqx7xM4jDyqkAxYwsN73vc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/23/06 Smoky Mountain News http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/08_06/08_23_06/fr_5mil_upgrade .html By Becky Johnson Maggy Valley, NC -- As the new owners of Ghost Town in the Sky=20 pondered whether the dated mountaintop amusement park was a good=20 business venture, one of their 1st questions was how many visitors=20 they could feasibly expect to attract. Their own estimates put the figure at 150,000 the 1st year of=20 reopening. A consultant hired for a 2nd opinion came up with an even=20 bigger number. Now they are revising upwards yet again. "I really=20 think we will blow that out of the water based on what I saw today=20 and the buzz in the air," said Hank Woodburn, president of the=20 Adventure Landing, one of the park's buyers. Nearly everyone was shocked by the huge numbers that turned out for=20 an open house celebrating GT's sale =97 more than 750 had to be turned=20 away. Upon word of the sale, the Maggie Valley Lodging Association=20 immediately launched a unified campaign to tell every guest that=20 comes through their doors to return next year when GT reopens. Hotel=20 owners valley-wide have arranged lettering on their signs to announce=20 GT's return. Within 5 years of reopening, the new owners predict 300,000 visitors=20 a year will roll through the park. "This is going to be our little=20 Disney," said Steve Nichols, also an owner with Adventure Landing. GT is credited with defining the tourism industry in the Maggie=20 Valley area for 40 years until its closure 3 years ago. It's founder,=20 R.B. Coburn, who ran the park most of its 40 years, received several,=20 long standing ovations from the crowd during a string of speeches at=20 the celebration this week. Unable to make needed repairs to keep the=20 park going, the elderly Coburn put the park up for sale 3 years ago. The buyers include Adventure Landing, which operates 9 amusement=20 centers featuring laser tag, go-carts and miniature golf, and=20 American Heritage Railways, which operates the Great Smoky Mountain=20 Railroad. The $5.18 million price tag forked over for GT is only half of what=20 its new owners plan to pump into the park before it reopens next=20 spring. The buyers said this week they plan to spend around $5=20 million to get the park up and running. The investors, by their own=20 estimation, have quite a challenge ahead of them. "There are times I=20 woke up and thought `Are you crazy,'" said Woodburn. "But I am real=20 confident in what we can do. It will work." To get this far, the buyers already spent $262,000 =97 on ride=20 assessments, tourism analyses, economic studies, engineer surveys and=20 other tasks under the massive chore of due diligence. The risk that=20 another buyer could waltz in and upset the sale was constant. "We=20 took a leap of faith," said Woodburn. While the owners will be adding their own flare and new elements to=20 the park, Nichols said they don't plan on reinventing the wheel. They=20 will keep the GT name, the Old West theme and most of the existing=20 rides. After all, GT's reputation =97 witnessed by the number of tourists who=20 still flock to Maggie Valley to visit the park unaware that it is=20 closed =97 is one of the best things going for it. "It makes it much=20 easier that it has that reputation," Nichols said. The buyers got a $6.75 million low-interest federal loan through a=20 rural development program. At the top of their to-do list is=20 replacing the broken chairlift that carries visitors to the mountain=20 top park and retrofitting rides, including the roller coaster. "The=20 bulk of the rides aren't as far gone as people think," said Larry=20 Moyers with American Amusement Rides based in Knoxville. Moyers was=20 hired as a ride consultant by the new owners to tell them which rides=20 could be repaired and for how much. "Several of the rides are in superior shape," Moyers said. "Some of=20 the equipment is older, but it was maintained well." Most visitors at the open house were shocked at how well kept the=20 buildings in the Old West town appeared. Coburn employed several=20 workers to keep the site maintained since he was trying to sell it=20 and needed to keep it presentable. A real estate development could be in the future for part of the=20 mountaintop. GT sits on more than 250 acres, leaving plenty of room=20 for a real estate development without impacting the operation of the=20 amusement park, Woodburn said. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59433 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 18:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 18:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 18:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:20:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:20:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Huge_crowd_celebrates_Ghost_Town=92s_revival?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0-4dtPcuclaJ9FORATqXGpKwmdbgSg1tgsrwR7r1LauZXQE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/23/06 Smoky Mountain News http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/08_06/08_23_06/fr_huge_ghostto wn.html By Becky Johnson Maggie Valley, NC -- Hundreds of people ascended to Ghost Town, a=20 beloved mountaintop amusement park in Maggie Valley, for an open=20 house Monday celebrating news that the park will reopen next year. The closure of the park 3 years ago after 40 years in business was=20 more than a blow to the tourism economy of the region. GT's closure=20 also meant the loss of an icon and source of pride for the community.=20 GT was put up for sale, but many had lost hope in a buyer willing to=20 take on the chore of retrofitting the park for the 21st century. News that such a buyer had indeed surfaced =97 and that the roller=20 coaster and other rides would be whirring again as early as spring =97=20 generated so much excitement that more than 1,300 people clamored to=20 attend the celebration. The chairlift that carries visitors to the=20 park isn't working, so busses were used to get people up the=20 mountain. But there weren't enough busses to accommodate the crowd.=20 More than 750 people never got in, and instead were given free passes=20 to the amusement park when it opens for good next year. The centerpiece of GT isn't just the rides, but a mock-up of an Old=20 West town about 2 blocks long, lined with rustic storefronts,=20 including an old saloon with swinging doors. Those streets came back=20 to life Monday, courtesy of a few former GT employees. Cancan girls=20 strolled the wooden boardwalks. Burly outlaws in cowboy hats and=20 leather chaps loitered in doorways. Native dancers in feathered=20 headdresses performed to drum beats. Twice the team of old gunfighters sprang into action, staging=20 showdowns in the middle of the street. The gunslingers practiced 2=20 hours a day for the past week to resurrect a couple of their old=20 routines. Children begged for autographs afterwards, while adults waved blue=20 pennants handed out by the dozen at the front gate with the=20 words "Ghost Town: Back on the map." "As you drive down the Valley you can feel the excitement. It's in=20 the air," said Alice Aumen, owner of Cataloochee Ranch in Maggie=20 Valley. Message board signs in front of hotels that usually advertise low=20 room rates, hot tubs or creek side rooms have been put to a new use=20 these days. Hotel owners valley-wide have rearranged their lettering=20 welcoming GT's return. "It's like the sun has come out," said=20 Lillianne Chamberlin =97 better known as Miss Maggie for her roll=20 strolling the sidewalks in a Miss Maggie costume waving to visitors.=20 Chamberlin often served as an ambassador for visitors, who approached=20 her on the sidewalk for tourist information. Her top question =97 as it=20 is for any hotel, restaurant or shop owner in the Valley =97 is what=20 happened to GT.=20 "They were always disappointed," Chamberlin said. "A lot of them came=20 here as kids and they wanted to share those memories with their=20 children. They would say `we drove out to the parking lot and it was=20 so sad to see no cars there and weeds growing up in it.'" The reopening of GT isn't just a tourism triumph. Local families,=20 including Susie Thomas of Waynesville, are ecstatic. "We now have=20 Dollywood passes, so the thought of having something a lot closer is=20 great," said Thomas, 35, the director of First Methodist Church=20 nursery. Thomas brought her 5-y.o. son and 8-y.o. daughter to the event, who=20 were enamored by the gun fights and cancan dancers, respectively.=20 Thomas envisions at least half a dozen trips a year to the park. For the many of the area's retirees, GT is a little extra fodder for=20 luring the grandkids to come visit. At least that's what George &=20 Betty Freeland, 2nd-home owners in Waynesville, are hoping. "We've=20 already emailed them about it," George Freeland said, wasting no time=20 priming the pump for a summer vacation here next year. Brenda O'Keefe, owner of Joey's Pancake House, said she got calls all=20 last week from people across the country who heard rumors GT would be=20 reopened. Joey's, a Maggie Valley icon, was one place people turned=20 for confirmation of the news. Many were naturally skeptical of initial reports of GT's sale. Rumors=20 about a GT sale have swirled for a couple of years, and a few have=20 been substantial enough to garner media attention. They all fell=20 through =96 until now. "I couldn't hardly believe it at first there had=20 been so many false rumors floating around," said Kenneth Smith, 75,=20 of Lake Junaluska, who came up to the event to see for himself. Charles Brantley, a former GT employee, was also looking for=20 affirmation of the sale beyond announcements in the media. "When I=20 saw that for sale sign come down, I knew it was for real then,"=20 Brantley said. A "for sale" banner that had been draped over a=20 billboard GT in the parking lot was indeed brought down when the deal=20 closed. Staying hopeful throughout the ups and downs of the past 3 years has=20 been tough for some former employees. "We just kept a hopin'," said=20 Johnny Freeman, a former gun fighter. "Said a lot of prayers," said Tim Mintz, also a former gun fighter. But it was easy to lose hope during the ups and downs of the rumored=20 sales. "Last year we decided it wasn't going to happen," said Bernie=20 Brannon, 80, who retired to Maggie Valley 5 years ago. Brannon has no=20 vested interest in the park =97 he didn't go there as a kid, didn't=20 work there and isn't in the tourism business =97 but was excited enough=20 by news of the sale to come to the festivities Monday. Some of the rumored buyers over the past 3 years planned to do away=20 with the amusement park and instead build a mountaintop resort with=20 condos and homes. It was simply more lucrative. Many consider the=20 community extremely lucky that a sale was brokered to group of=20 businessmen in the amusement industry with plans to carry on the GT=20 tradition. "I was so glad it wasn't going to be a development," said=20 Kenneth Winchester of Waynesville. "That was going to make me sick." Strangers walked up to Steve Nichols, one of the businessmen who=20 bought the park, and gave him thank-you hugs throughout the day. For Jim & Tammy Parker of Canton, GT is part of their heritage. "We=20 growed up on it," Jim said. "It's part of this county." They were so moved by the joy in the air during the event, they=20 decided to renew their 25-y.o. wedding vows in the chapel that's part=20 of the Old West mock-up town. They sought out a man dressed as a gun=20 fighter and asked if he knew whether there was a preacher around. A=20 man nearby in the crowd piped up that his father-in-law, Rev. Charles=20 Hembree, would be arriving shortly. The Parker's saw it as providence. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45763 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2006 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2006 18:31:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:31:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Santa's Village Closed, Rides To Be Auctioned Off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Wz0eDN-5CP_kOsrnMWtq4AMaGkCTcJ0JdrElmipOw9N2PdE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 23, 2006 NBC5.com http://www.nbc5.com/news/9724414/detail.html?rss=3Dchi&psp=3Dnews Dundee, IL -- Say goodbye to Santa's Village. The popular amusement park in East Dundee has been shut down after 46=20 years. The owner said it has to sell the assets to pay off debts, which are=20 estimated at more than $170,000. An October auction is scheduled by a company specializing in amusement=20 park, circus and museum auctions. A ferris wheel, merry-go-round, 2 roller coasters and the trademark=20 snowball ride will all be auctioned off. ---------------- Copyright 2006 by NBC5.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:25:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21051 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 01:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4554 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2006 01:18:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20060824011800.4547.qmail@web53103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.226.205] by web53103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:18:00 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:18:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=02GgnSsioTt8jLfovKu9K-axSsw48o51TtwTkRWVjv2oRpAct4nZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, it is a great video. I guess Griffin will make up for the loss of th= e LeMans Raceway. :-P It seems like after the second big drop on the ride, there one small loop a= nd then not much else happens until the brakes. Maybe those tiny hills wil= l be good for airtime. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 07:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59688 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 14:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 14:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 14:21:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 14:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 14:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 14:20:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:20:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=lS2vQUQTjZMsLMx9q0N_cKnWQYwOOIk78upu2B5iFUbUcyz9xlnf2BU X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > They have a great video! > http://www.buschgardens.com/bgw/ar_rides.aspx >=20 > -Alan > That looks totally wicked! I think that will be a great addition. I=20 have never been on a diving coaster but it looks like it would scare=20 the crap out of me! Has anyone been on any diving coasters? Are=20 there even any diving coasters in the states? I know there's oblivion=20 in the U.K. and that looks cool but how many others are there? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 24 08:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31810 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.190) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 15:14:56 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so633655nfc for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr1059373ugj; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:12:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ym8AL7OmRQ1EeL8vaVqfv5_Rj0_q2ahER4YFkvZOUmKe0wqoddt_9Is X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Has anyone been on any diving coasters? Are > there even any diving coasters in the states? I know there's oblivion > in the U.K. and that looks cool but how many others are there? There are currently three operating B&M "dive machines": -Oblivion at Alton Towers in the UK -G5 at Janfusun Fancyworld in Taiwan -SheiKra at Busch Gardens Africa in Tampa, FL I rode SheiKra in March and thought it nearly put me to sleep. It's the most boring 200+' high coaster this side of Steel Force. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Thu Aug 24 08:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14559 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7OEqr5d001613 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <044101c6c78d$0992a740$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:53:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=22Griffon=22?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=fxOrPovPf_eFkOEQpehfqobqXN60Nx3QGsgwmTZbNVCinyWf8Wg-KTrtTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: >> >> They have a great video! >> http://www.buschgardens.com/bgw/ar_rides.aspx > >That looks totally wicked! I think that will be a great addition. I >have never been on a diving coaster but it looks like it would scare >the crap out of me! Has anyone been on any diving coasters? Are >there even any diving coasters in the states? I know there's oblivion >in the U.K. and that looks cool but how many others are there? Griffon would be the world's 4th B&M Dive Machine. After Oblivion in the UK (1998), a copy was built called G5 in Taiwan (2000) that is apparently an exact copy of Oblivion except instead of going underground it dives over a cliff wall or something. Then all was silent until SheiKra opened at Busch Gardens Tampa in 2005 and now we have Griffon at Busch Gardens Williamsburg in 2007. The Busch Gardens versions are not the one trick pony rides that Oblivion and G5 were... and really the only major difference between SheiKra and Griffon is that Sheikra's second dive goes underground and Griffon has two Immelman inversions while SheiKra only has one. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Aug 24 12:44:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64057 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 19:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 19:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 19:39:09 -0000 Received: from rrcs-24-227-154-39.sw.biz.rr.com ([24.227.154.39]:63051 helo=[192.169.0.96]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GGL1Q-00064l-8R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:37:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1156447865.630.81256.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1156447865.630.81256.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <479ce848560f03443910c2768e94e00d@law.wnec.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:37:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Griffon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=6Wz49W1LzRM5sQ7lnAc_tIGsljdSm3fO10IsaOLJKE5dhts6jnSXpg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > The Busch Gardens versions are not the one trick pony rides that > Oblivion > and G5 were... and really the only major difference between SheiKra and > Griffon is that Sheikra's second dive goes underground and Griffon has > two > Immelman inversions while SheiKra only has one. > Is Sheikra (or, as I prefer it, Shakira) floorless? Not sure how much a difference it'll make in the experience, but it's interesting anyway. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 12:46:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22511 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 19:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 19:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.81) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 19:45:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 67304 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2006 19:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060824194528.67302.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:45:28 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: RE: TR: Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=RtVMJONe9eGNhJIA8HwKx0etRcjtZFKswUOxQMkQax_PlLwfknKE X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >Ninth stop - Texas Twister - walk on >Belive it or not this was my first ride on this one. >I liked it, but once was enough for me. I rode this a few weeks ago for the first time in years. After riding this, The Beaver Creek Mine Ride almost made me puke! I should have watched it cycle first, and then I would have seen the new program with 5 loops in a row. Still fun though and I have no regrets. But then again, ask anyone on this list and they'll tell you what a puss I am. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 24 13:24:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52636 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 20:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 20:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 20:20:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 20:20:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 20:20:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:20:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=cJASops16lgYRCox8ueUd6cVe-aoBazY-j6hToZWxquHN28sMPakpx8OSw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote:=20 > I rode SheiKra in March and thought it nearly put me to sleep. It's > the most boring 200+' high coaster this side of Steel Force. eh, dont listen to him matt. its a great ride, as long as you always=20 sit in the front row. yeah its no inversion-filled coaster but thats=20 not its point. the drop is great, and anyone that says it doesnt have=20 any force is insane. nate might hate it, but it still gets the longest=20 lines at BGT, hands down(i should know, im there every freakin week!).=20 From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 13:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37802 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 20:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 20:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54209.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.251) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 20:26:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8602 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2006 20:26:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060824202618.8600.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:26:18 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:26:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060824194528.67302.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: TR: Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=pxuebne0TYo5ebiH1pvF_BCpfontbmWxclaPJ0rs-n4M-yyK5fxFjMa2HawlPCMc X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got of with a serious pain in my neck. It took three days to get the kin= ks out. I guess as you get older the body takes longer to recover from the= se things. brian farral wrote: >Ninth stop - Texas T= wister - walk on >Belive it or not this was my first ride on this one. >I liked it, but once was enough for me. I rode this a few weeks ago for the first time in years. After riding this, The Beaver Creek Mine Ride almost made me puke! I should have watched it cycle first, and then I would have seen the new program with 5 loops in a row. Still fun though and I have no regrets. But then again, ask anyone on this list and they'll tell you what a puss I am.=20 AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 24 13:35:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41818 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 20:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 20:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 20:30:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 20:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 20:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2006 20:27:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:27:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <479ce848560f03443910c2768e94e00d@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Griffon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=OqKXfDBucj11m9SyjaTXHAGI8zIt4mpnbQUmP75ou9RB1FrRAGNCECkMnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs =20 wrote: =20 > Is Sheikra (or, as I prefer it, Shakira) floorless? >=20 > Not sure how much a difference it'll make in the experience, but=20 it's=20 > interesting anyway. im not sure if id call it floorless. i mean, the front of eac row has=20 a railing and all, but the cars are seperated so its sorta floorless; http://p2.rcdb.com/picmax/busch-gardens-tampa/sheikra56.jpg i guess on griffon they will do away with the front railings, as well=20 as the floorboards they are connected to, so that it will basically=20 operate like a really long B&M floorless car.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 24 14:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73518 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 21:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2006 21:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2006 21:17:58 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so737585ugf for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr1409221ugm; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:17:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=GtHdT-nsIVos8c4T62iiAFWuH2L_AJ1WwXcfSTSrkPoQ4BV7UiNOYAg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > eh, dont listen to him matt. its a great ride, as long as you always > sit in the front row. Is that really a sign of a good coaster? "It's a good ride, but you have to make sure you're in the right seat." Seems to me like getting a good ride is an exception, not a rule. Other than Cheetah Chase and Python, it's the worst coaster in the park. > the drop is great, and anyone that says it doesnt have > any force is insane. Anyone who thinks it's forceful needs to get out and ride some real coasters. Holiday World would be a good start. :-) -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71890 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2006 02:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2006 02:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 02:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 73472 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2006 02:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060825020323.73470.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.252.206] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:03:22 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:03:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: SFNE, 8-24-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=4b32aXnt3fDyBTQqO04_ovfdgG3DhPPUV_AOq-iNi7HZoCNY3TFt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karen got a last minute gig playing for a political candidate in Agawam. I= helped her set up her sound equipment, and then had two hours to kill befo= re breaking everything down. So I drove down the street to Six Flags New E= ngland. I brought my video camera with me, since I hadn't taken any footag= e of the place since it was Riverside. As I drove up Main Street I noticed a brightly lit yellow and red building = across the street from the Cyclone. It used to be a dilapidated and abando= ned used car lot. Now it was a neon-lit ice cream and sandwich shop. It c= ertainly looked festive and seemed to be doing a good business. I noticed a sign for "Preferred Parking" for $25. What the heck!? There a= re parks that charge less than that for a full day's pass! I drove into th= e $15 back lot. It was almost 5:30 in the afternoon. I thought perhaps th= ere would be no parking attendants, or I would get charged a lower rate. B= ut no, I was charged full price. For a Thursday evening, the place was sur= prisingly crowded. I drove to a nearby free space and parked, then headed = for the entrance about 1/4 mile away. I decided not to wait for the tram to bring me over to the bridge. It was = usually much quicker to walk. There were numerous 45th anniversary signs p= laced alongside the entrance road. There were also various factoids about = the park and its history from its Riverside days. I thought that was a nic= e touch.=20 I climbed the long stairway up and over the Main Street bridge. There were= still quite a few people lined up at the entrance gates. Little had chang= ed there. The old colonial-style building and cobblestone walk opened up i= nto the carousel plaza. The horses on the 1909 Illions carousel looked pre= tty beaten up. Oddly, a disco ball had been placed at the top of the cente= rpost. There were two displays advertising Fright Fest. In the past, the displays= were extensive and a bit over-the-top. This time things seemed to have be= en toned down, perhaps as a nod to the more family-friendly atmosphere. The midway was thick with people. I took a left at the bottom of the hill = and turned up toward Crackaxle Canyon. That section of the park still had = the best theming. I liked the horseshoe prints embedded in the walkways. = I walked up to the big Houdini building. I'm still puzzled why this area i= s a dead-end. A path could easily loop back down toward Flashback, creati= ng better traffic flow. I doubled back and walked past the chicken and ribs restaurant, which now s= ported a big-screen TV (tuned in to the Weather Channel for some strange re= ason; why not have westerns playing?). I passed those peculiar bumper cars= without contact poles and walked under Shipwreck Falls, emerging at Hollyw= ood and VIne (the backside of the Looney Tune kiddie section). I walked th= rough the Looney Tunes area and stopped in front of Mr. Six's Pandemonium, = the Gerstlauer spinning coaster brightly painted in orange and green. I ca= n't recall any other coaster that's so much fun to watch. The track took s= uch insane twists and turns, it looked like the little cars would fly off o= nto the midway. Unfortunately the queue line was filled, which meant about= an hour to an hour and a half wait. So instead I turned left next to Blizzard River and headed up the new path = toward the Cyclone. At the top of the hill was the giant orange structure = of Catapult, their new S&S Screaming Swing. It was closed. The old ugly e= ntrance to the Cyclone was completely gone. Instead, there was a new entra= nce directly under the back turnaround. I walked down the path, which spor= ted signs highlighting various coasters at different Six Flags parks. The = Comet, Thunderbolt, Rattler and Colossus each had an informative write-up a= nd color photo. I had never before gotten to stand inside that turnaround.= What a great place for the queue line! It was fun to watch the Cyclone t= rain roar through its course. It also gave me a better appreciation for ho= w massive the structure was. But I didn't want to leave the park with herniated discs, so instead of tak= ing a ride I headed back out onto the midway. Time Warp looked terrific, r= ight next to Pandemonium. It used to be an dull yellow color, but now was = lime green and purple. I thought at first it was closed, but then I saw pe= ople climbing aboard. The ride cycle time on it was about eight minutes. = People sat there for an eternity before the shoulder harnesses went down. I queued up for the north end of the New England Skyway, one of the few Von= Roll sky rides still in operation. Next to the queue line, on a fence fac= ing the Cyclone, was an old black and white picture of Bill Cobb standing a= midst the construction of that coaster. The Skyway dropped me off next to Shipwreck Falls. I had told George that = I would get him the Six Flags souvenir maps packet, so I figured I'd walk i= nto the main gift shop, the Emporium. There were lots of fairly generic Si= x Flags anniversary merchandise. There was even a Kingda Ka model roller c= oaster. But I didn't see the maps. I asked the clerk. He went out back f= or a while, and when he returned he said that the Emporium was all out of t= hem, but maybe the other gift shops would have them. So I went across the = midway to the Looney Tunes gift shop. They were out of them too. So I wal= ked over to Main Street Souvenirs. They too were out, but the clerk there = said there was some up at the stroller rental shop. So I hiked up the hill= and -- lo and behold! -- there were four packets left. So I grabbed one. = And then I realized there was no one at the cash register. So I got in li= ne at the stroller rental counter, and at that moment a the clerk from the = Souvenir shop walked over and opened the register. So with my mission accomplished, I decided to reward myself with an ice cre= am. I went to Strawberries and Cream and asked for a caramel sundae. Ooo= ps--they were out of caramel. So I said, "Okay, just give me a vanilla waf= fle cone." The girl behind the counter asked, "Would you like a topping on that?" I replied, "Yeah -- caramel. But you told me you were out of it." She said, "I could give you hot fudge instead." I said no, just give me th= e plain vanilla cone. Five dollars later, I had an inhumanly big ice cream= cone. I mean, this thing could have fed four people. So I ate about a th= ird of it as I wandered around the midway. Then I threw the rest away. Th= ere was no way I could finish it. George asked me to take a ride on Superman for him. So I headed for the DC= Comics area. I was surprised at how big the trees and shrubs had gotten. = It was difficult to locate the back tunnel for Superman. The misters were= the giveaway. When I looked over at the coaster's lift hill, I spotted th= e blue train empty and stopped on the lift. I knew what that meant -- they= were cycling the trains, going back to single train operation. By that po= int it was 7:00; I'd never be able to get a ride on it. Instead I strolled= down the winding path. Eventually the train was re-started and it came ba= rreling through its course, flying past me. Then my camera battery died. It was getting late and I wanted to check out the other end of the park, so= I walked to the south end. The gigantic Colossus Ferris wheel, for so man= y years the park's biggest landmark, was indeed gone, as was the venerable = Red River Rapids. In its place was a colorful and nicely-themed tube slide= . It was clearly billed as a "family ride." The tubes seemed to spin pret= ty violently through their very short course. One good thing about the new= look is that Batman: the Dark Knight was now clearly visible and looked qu= ite impressive. (Before, Colossus completely obscured the coaster.) By then I had to head back to my car. I walked back through the Rockville = area, an amazing neon extravaganza at night. The park hadn't thinned out m= uch. I'm glad that they seem to be doing a good business. I was pleased w= ith some of the changes I saw. I especially liked the new Cyclone entrance= . It was leagues better than the dismal tunnel they had originally, and mu= ch more inviting than the chain-link corral of recent years. The park was = clean and the landscaping is still quite nice. There were a lot more bench= es placed around the midway. I have to admit that it's one of the nicest l= ooking parks in the chain. And of course, they have Superman. But so far, the only change to "family" rides that I could see was that tub= e. And that wasn't something I'd be too eager to ride. Catapult wasn't fa= mily-oriented. Neither were most of the rides there. Colossus and Red Riv= er Rapids were, but they've been removed. It looks like the park is trying= , though, to head in that direction. They certainly have plenty of thrill = rides for the kids. Now if they can balance that out with stuff for the no= n-spin-and-barf crowd, Six Flags New England will be the best deal around -= - even with $15 parking. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 16:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94241 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2006 23:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2006 23:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53113.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 23:32:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 25545 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2006 23:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060825233215.25543.qmail@web53113.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.2.101] by web53113.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:32:15 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Griffon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=GAWK1OAWmH5A7g-MeUg6pXycnNjvwAjyvdLaomuU1_sXg7xKK8Nw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > so that it will basically operate like a really long B&M floorless car < What's interesting is how far away from the track the ends seats hang on each car. Without a floor and with no track below, those seats might provide an experience more akin to X. Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Aug 25 20:37:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63120 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2006 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2006 03:36:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:36:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060825233215.25543.qmail@web53113.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Griffon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=guJGhWehJGlgJwcn9BiILvSHnz1J9vyEEhzT5IR_X7wuYA90-w X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > > so that it will basically operate like a really long B&M floorless car = < >=20 > What's interesting is how far away from the track the ends seats hang on = each car. Without=20 a floor and with no track below, those seats might provide an experience mo= re akin to X. >=20 > Jay ... minus the horrible headbanging I hope!?!? Kinda excited about this one , simply because I love the park and haven't b= een in years... plus=20 my wife's got friends that live close by! free place to stay? (or atleast c= amp out in my box) jeremy From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 09:36:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73696 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2006 16:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2006 16:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 16:36:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 13994 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2006 16:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20060826163631.13992.qmail@web53109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.239.223] by web53109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:36:31 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:36:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Naugatuck man charged with phoning bomb threat to amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=IxcswiyVcgBmDcFBF2uSTUOGooXPt9g2wLHeyzUPZsl82rSEzy5B X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit August 26, 2006 Middlebury, CT (AP) -- A Naugatuck man faces felony charges for allegedly reporting to police that a bomb would explode Thursday at Quassy Amusement Park, police said. Brian R. Collins, 21, of Naugatuck is accused of using a pre-paid phone to call in the hoax to state police. The called said an ammonia nitrate bomb would detonate at the Middlebury amusement park in five minutes, police said. As many as 300 visitors were evacuated and the park was searched. Nothing was found and no injuries were reported, police said. Collins was charged with first-degree threatening and falsely reporting an incident. He has a criminal record for threatening, breach of peace and drug violations, police said. No details were immediately available on a possible motive. Eric Anderson, president of the amusement park, said free passes were distributed to visitors who were evacuated, the Republican American of Waterbury reported in editions prepared for Friday. "It's a huge business loss," he said. Quassy was scheduled to reopen Friday morning. --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Aug 26 17:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55791 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 00:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 00:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 00:49:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 00:49:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 00:49:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2006 00:49:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:49:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YMhQ6Au3K-EyqffgrxCHQG0eF7cx9qC5_vyYwliZ2d3NdeEuFtyEdb74HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Is that really a sign of a good coaster? "It's a good ride, but=20 you > have to make sure you're in the right seat."=20 from what ive seen here over the years, about half the coasters on=20 the planet have "good" and "bad" seats. how many times have you read=20 TRs here where someone talks about a ride being better or worse=20 in "this" or "that" seat? so yeah, i think it CAN be the sign of a=20 good coaster.=20 > Other than Cheetah Chase and Python, it's the worst coaster in the=20 park. id put it above Scorpion personally.=20 > Anyone who thinks it's forceful needs to get out and ride some real > coasters. Holiday World would be a good start. :-) my biggest puzzlement is folks who say that the drop has no forces.=20 sure its not the most amazing coaster on the planet, but its still a=20 lot of fun. at least the second half is better than its orlando=20 neighbor, Hulk.=20 From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Aug 26 18:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39403 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 01:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 01:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 01:35:07 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.390.546a000 (39331) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <390.546a000.32224fe4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:31:16 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Naugatuck man charged with phoning bomb threat ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=QHMnwlZUYQWTKCrpd98yOnu-CycoHljCJ7Rec7jaX5Ll4PEhCw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its a shame in this day in age with all the terrorist threats, and plane problems, we got some idiot who would attack a small amusement park like that! I feel bad for them, because they lost a days worth of business by giving everyone free passes to come back. With all the small parks closing their doors these days, parks like this just can't afford such disasters! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 14:08:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36013 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2006 21:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2006 21:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2006 21:08:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 41414 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2006 21:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20060827210723.41412.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.251.9] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:07:23 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Naugatuck man charged with phoning bomb threat ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=IW8V3avvnc-yagzS0W96rVq43ZMhChemjMQrVXi-CM4zsuyIehk2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > With all the small parks closing their doors these days, parks like this just can't afford such disasters! < True. I thought it was very smart of Anderson to give all those free passes out, though. It shows generosity and gives a positive spin, that the threat won't shut down the park. I think once the community knows that it was a nutcase pulling a prank, the attendance there will be fine. Notice too that Quassy is surviving. They're not getting rich, but they're hanging in there. And they had just 300 people in the park on that particular day! There are advantages to staying small. Can you imagine a Six Flags park seeing only a few hundred patrons a day? Jay --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From TatsuFan@aol.com Sun Aug 27 23:57:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: TatsuFan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9703 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 06:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 06:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 06:52:49 -0000 Received: from TatsuFan@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.bca.4306363 (58808) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:48:50 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: TatsuFan@aol.com Subject: Manhattan Express X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=277472831; y=3csD4vOQ1-kiHC3hhp_Vj0SM_O422GH3iFnU3fWbKoJKT7P_jIVW X-Yahoo-Profile: tatsufansfmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey I believe that this is an all time low. As you know the Manhattan Express (New York, New York hotel & casino Las Vegas) has new trains built by Premier.. The ride experience is a little less rough, but it is still a TOGO DEATH MACHINE!! The coaster this week has gotten a new name Old: Manhattan Express New: The Roller Coaster at New York New York John Old: _MrStratosphere@aol.com_ (mailto:MrStratosphere@aol.com) New: _TatsuFan@aol.com_ (mailto:TatsuFan@aol.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 05:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 565 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42210.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.221) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 12:20:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 43026 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2006 12:18:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20060828121852.43024.qmail@web42210.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:18:52 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:18:52 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with “Griffon” X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=81iKzsJD5Ird8XCkG4BeDq0KtrMecDpPN8uAhYfUSoyQi1UZ X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Doug Nelson wrote: > sure its not the most amazing coaster on the planet, > but its still a > lot of fun. at least the second half is better than > its orlando > neighbor, Hulk. Hey! I thought only *I* was allowed to take potshots at Hulk (and other green B&Ms)! =] lata, jeremy --who will be riding Hulk this weekend, assuming Ernesto doesnt blow the park away. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Aug 28 13:35:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59768 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 20:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 20:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 20:33:10 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (145-232.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.232.145]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7SKX3qd010431; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6cae1$3229a440$91e82341@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Cc: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: News: Six Flags Theme Parks Capture Two Prestigious 'Best of the Best' Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=h9YGSJHsQtr_u5yLJVL-epKplgDhi4WaAvBTOtFKxscoewYtrpnV X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-theme-parks-capture-two/n20060828084409990015 Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Aug 28 13:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28107 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 20:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 20:51:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 20:51:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:51:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c6cae1$3229a440$91e82341@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: News: Six Flags Theme Parks Capture Two Prestigious 'Best of the Best' Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zMHWkZ_zkubSbUvzDpnit1a_UzSYHp_Xntwy7gg0k_RtTbNIZRhkmxND7A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL"=20 wrote: > > http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-theme-parks-capture- two/n20060828084409990015=20 >=20 > Joe > Tampa, FL huh, i figured theyd get "best price gouging". :) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 14:53:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 307 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 21:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 21:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 21:53:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 21:53:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:53:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Despite Planetary Diss, Disney Gives Props to Pluto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hBsz9uU6f8oY1AxsAFM8v3b2OWZqWRSRW6XGfjMYN7ni7VM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 25, 2006 E! online Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060825/en_celeb_eo/19852 By Natalie Finn Burbank, CA -- The planets may be out of alignment, but Disney is=20 sticking by Pluto. In response to the news Thursday that a team of astronomers had=20 demoted the icy little sphere to "dwarf planet" status, the Seven=20 Dwarfs themselves took time off from hacking away in the diamond=20 mines and romancing Snow White to issue this statement, via their=20 friends at Walt Disney World Resort:=20 "Although we think it's Dopey that Pluto has been downgraded to a=20 dwarf planet, which has made some people Grumpy and others just=20 Sleepy, we are not Bashful in saying we would be Happy if Disney's=20 Pluto would join us as an eighth dwarf. We think this is just what=20 the Doc ordered and is nothing to Sneeze at." Mickey Mouse's dog and best pal, Pluto first appeared in 1930 in the=20 Disney cartoon The Chain Gang, as a bloodhound unleashed to find=20 escaped felon Mickey. To this day, he wears neither clothes nor=20 gloves and has prompted endless discussion as to why only Goofy is=20 capable of walking upright and speaking. Pluto the dog's debut came the same year his namesake heavenly body=20 was discovered orbiting the sun 3 billion miles away. The shadowy=20 mass was deemed the ninth planet in the solar system and was named=20 after the Roman god of the underworld. "I think the whole thing is goofy," Disney said through its rep,=20 Mickey Mouse. "Pluto has never been interested in astronomy before,=20 other than maybe an occasional howl at the moon." So, although a Caltech astronomer told the Los Angeles Times=20 that "Pluto's out," the canine version will always be top dog at=20 Disney. That is, he'll be the top dog at Disney who doesn't speak and who=20 walks on four legs. Sorry, Goofy. ----------- =A9 2006 E! Online, Inc. =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:17:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8405 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:16:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:16:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:16:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:16:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Muslims celebrate unity while having some fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QcDh2qe5mlM-NEx8Aegc9QThQrXoThrAiPJP5QbyhTEVq5g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 28, 2006 San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=3D/c/a/2006/08/28/BAGS7KQE8S1.DTL&feed=3Drss.bayarea by Demian Bulwa SANTA CLARA, CA -- Deliberately forgoing more traditional gathering=20 spots, thousands of Muslims from across Northern California gathered=20 Sunday under a roaring roller coaster. Holding the 2nd annual Muslim Unity Day at Paramount's Great America=20 amusement park in Santa Clara was fitting, said Resha Yunus, 46, of=20 Fremont, who sat behind a booth for her nonprofit group Semah, which=20 works to prevent domestic violence in the Muslim community. "You can=20 be a good Muslim but still ride the roller coaster," she said with a=20 laugh. Part of the point of the event -- which featured traditional food and=20 prayer services and omitted politics -- was to emphasize the desire=20 of American Muslims to live by their faith while fully embracing the=20 United States. Yunus was one of many guests who talked about how important it was=20 for Muslims, especially younger ones who grew up in the U.S., to=20 celebrate their shared identity at a difficult time. "We have a lot=20 of roles to play," said Rima Chaudry, a 23-y.o. San Francisco=20 resident who has performed as a spoken-word artist in an effort to=20 break down stereotypes about Muslim and Middle Eastern communities. "We're very American, we have strong ties to our families' homelands,=20 and we're Muslim. How do we play all these roles?" she asked. "There=20 hasn't been a strong Muslim American identity formed yet, but it's=20 happening with this younger generation." Young people created the event, said organizer Irfan Rydhan, a 31- y.o. board member at the South Bay Islamic Association in San Jose.=20 He said the idea emerged, in part, out of frustration that tension=20 between Sunni and Shiite Muslims was dominating news about the Middle=20 East. The theological division is more muted in the Bay Area, though=20 mosques generally serve either one side or the other. "The older=20 generation brings a little bit of their cultural baggage with them=20 (to the U.S.). But the youth, many of whom were born here, don't have=20 as much of that baggage," Rydhan said. "They're asking, 'Why are we=20 focusing on our differences?'" Feroz Iqbal, a 23-y.o. San Jose resident, agreed, pointing to "a=20 crisis in the Muslim world right now. On the TV, you see the=20 separation of different castes. It's divide and conquer. It's=20 weakening the Muslim world." Standing with a large group of friends, Iqbal said, "We kick it with=20 everybody. That's the mentality growing up in America." Many of the guests said they were happy to see the Muslim community=20 show off its broad diversity, including Khaliq Abdul As Salaam, a 33- y.o. Sacramento resident who is African American. "You see my white=20 brothers, Pakistanis, Arabs, Puerto Ricans, all here together, united=20 under our belief that there is one god," he said. "It brings about a=20 love for people you'd never imagine you could gel with." All day, families and groups of friends arrived at the celebration.=20 They ate naan, falafel and chicken masala; purchased clothing, books=20 and framed passages from the Quran; and donated money to groups such=20 as Life for Relief and Development, which was raising money to help=20 people displaced in Lebanon by the recent conflict. Prayer services=20 were held at an adjacent amphitheater. Between trips to the amusement rides, attendees said it is a=20 challenging time to be Muslim in the U.S. Farhan Azeez, a 20-y.o. volunteer coordinator for the nonprofit=20 relief group, flew in from Michigan for the event. Before he left, he=20 said, his mother encouraged him to make sure he wasn't wearing=20 anything metal -- including anything with a zipper. "She didn't want=20 any excuse for me to be pulled aside at the airport," he said. "It's important for people right now to feel they are supported, and=20 that they can support each other," said Dina Aburous, 42, of Oakland,=20 a volunteer with the Palestine Children's Relief Fund, which provides=20 medical aid to wounded Palestinian children by sending doctors to=20 them or bringing them to the United States. "This kind of coming=20 together helps people feel solidarity and pride." Najia Khan, a 21-y.o. UC Davis student who grew up in Milpitas, said=20 it was nice for her to meet others "who share the same experiences=20 you're going through. In makes you a stronger person. In makes me=20 feel stronger in what I believe." Her friend Shabnam Tai, a Santa Clara University law student, said=20 she had decided a couple of years ago to begin covering her hair. She=20 said she did it to "embody" her religion -- and so she "didn't have=20 to experiment anymore." Now, she said, she feels like a proud=20 representative of something larger than herself. "I want people to=20 know me and to get to know my community," she said. "It's nice for=20 outsiders to see we have an event like this -- sometimes there's a=20 misconception that Muslims don't want to have fun." ------------- =A92006 San Francisco Chronicle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:28:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93767 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:27:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:27:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:27:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Cedar Point, Again Voted 'Best Amusement Park in the World' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=l-p1AcwcjOP9-aD9xesUtMMxtlLaxGJGvDA68SDK-2-q10M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 28, 2006 Press Release Source: Cedar Fair, L.P.=20 PRNewswire FirstCall Yahoo! Finanace http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060828/clm017.html?.v=3D57 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair, L.P., a publicly traded partnership which=20 owns & operates 12 amusement parks, 5 outdoor water parks, 1 indoor=20 water park and 6 hotels, has, for the 9th straight year, earned the=20 title of "Best Amusement Park In The World" for its flagship park,=20 Cedar Point, Sandusky, Ohio, according to an international survey. In=20 addition, CP received top honors for "Best Capacity", while Kings=20 Island, Cincinnati, received the award for the "Best Kids' Area"=20 and "Best Park Concert Venue." The survey is conducted annually by Amusement Today, the popular=20 Arlington, TX-based publication that covers the international=20 amusement park industry. The magazine surveys its panel of experts,=20 asking them to rate "bests" in 23 categories, such as "amusement=20 parks," "roller coasters," "water parks" and "live shows." The=20 magazine presents the winners with its prestigious "Golden Ticket=20 Awards." Survey results revealed CF received recognition in 10 categories. In=20 addition to being named "Best Amusement Park" for the 9th straight=20 year, CP also received awards for the "Friendliest Employees" (No. 3)=20 and "Best Outdoor Night Show Production" (No. 4). Our newly acquired=20 PKI amusement park received top honors for the "Best Kids' Area",=20 while Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C., and Kings Dominion, Richmond, Va.,=20 were ranked No. 3 and No. 4, respectively, in the same category. The=20 Halloween Haunt at CF's Knott's Berry Farm, near L.A., was also rated=20 as the No. 2 "Halloween Event." According to the survey results, CF parks boast 6 of the top 30 steel=20 roller coasters in the world, led by Cedar Point's 310'-tall=20 signature coaster, Millennium Force, which was rated No. 2. Ranked as=20 the No. 3 steel coaster was the 205'-tall Magnum XL-200, which has=20 been one of the most popular roller coasters in the world since its=20 debut at CP in 1989. Also placing in the top 30 were 2 additional CP=20 coasters, the 420'-tall, 120-mph Top Thrill Dragster at an impressive=20 No. 10 and Raptor at No. 14. Meanwhile, Steel Force at Dorney Park,=20 Allentown, Pa., was ranked No. 15, PKD's Volcano ranked No. 25 and=20 the MAMBA at Worlds of Fun, Kansas City, Mo., was ranked No. 26. The Partnership also earned high honors for 3 of the top 15 wooden=20 roller coasters in the world: Shivering Timbers at Michigan's=20 Adventure, Muskegon, MI, was ranked as the 6th best wooden roller=20 coaster, The Beast at PKI was ranked No. 8 and KBF's GhostRider came=20 in at No. 12. "We are very excited with the results of the Amusement=20 Today survey," said Dick Kinzel, chairman, president and CEO. "To=20 date, including the 2006 awards, CF's parks have been presented with=20 a total of 34 Golden Tickets, more than any other park or park chain.=20 This is a result of the commitment our employees and management team=20 have to our customers to provide them with the best thrill rides and=20 family entertainment available." Cedar Fair, L.P. is a publicly traded partnership headquartered in=20 Sandusky, OH. The Partnership is one of the largest regional=20 amusement park operators in the world. Its parks are located in Ohio,=20 California, North Carolina, Virginia / District of Columbia,=20 Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Missouri, Michigan, and Toronto, Ontario.=20 Cedar Fair also owns and operates Star Trek: The Experience, an=20 interactive adventure located in Las Vegas, and operates the Bonfante=20 Gardens in Gilroy, Calif. under a management contract. NOTE: To contact Amusement Today, please call their offices in Arlington, TX at (817) 460-7220 or visit their web site at http://www.amusementtoday.com. This press release and prior press releases are available online at=20 http://www.cedarfair.com. ---------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13294 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:34:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:34:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: PR: Cedar Point, Again Voted 'Best Amusement Park in the World' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KHlOAndaDwPjxthJ3bvWTdFojsmcKOo5CqufD_fQvGjD7_o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, that answered an earlier question of mine. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > August 28, 2006 > Press Release Source: Cedar Fair, L.P.=20 > PRNewswire > FirstCall > Yahoo! Finanace > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060828/clm017.html?.v=3D57 >=20 < > and operates the Bonfante=20 > Gardens in Gilroy, Calif. under a management contract. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.112) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:42:32 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:42:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:42:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:42:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Libyan embarks on amusement park project in Tripoli X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2RrhcCtml7vvOvS2Y-P9_AgPF3Zni4NLzDxhZzO5OvBfYw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 28, 2006 Angola Press http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=3D466620 Tripoli, Libya -- To kick off programmes marking the 37th anniversary=20 of the 1st September revolution in Libya, certain Libyan officials=20 Thursday laid the foundation stone of an amusement park in Tripoli. Participants at the ceremony were the Secretaries of the Libyan=20 general people`s committees for the Economy, Trade and Investment,=20 Tayeb Saffi, of tourism, Ammar Latayef and youth and sports, Mustapha=20 Dursi. The new amusement park, made up of a floating city for the dolphins=20 will be built on a surface area of 15,000 sq.mt. for a total cost of=20 5-million Libyan dinars (1.250 Libyan dinars =3D 1 US dollar). The floating city of the dolphins is made up of a central room=20 including a swimming pool for the show and demonstration of dolphins=20 of a surface area of 1,000 sq.mt. An ice rink of a surface area of 900 sq.mt. is also planned, as well=20 as relaxation zones comprising play and entertainment centres, coffee=20 shops, restaurants, community centres and a 300-m long beach. Several directors of central departments at the Libyan general=20 people`s committee for tourism and delegates of tourism companies of=20 the municipality of Tripoli took part in the foundation stone- laying=20 ceremony Thursday. ---------------- =A9 1996-2003 Angop From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79005 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:48:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:45:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:45:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:45:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man dies at Tramore fun park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gz_fA0CyiXTFjgjwop9aJUutKPYwaeTEL2vFkCTtpOe_W_g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 28/08/2006 U TV http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?pt=3Dn&id=3D76307 Tramore, Co Waterford, IR -- Gavin Mason from Kilmore Close in Artane=20 in Co Dublin was visiting the area with a group of friends as part of=20 a weekend of celebrations for his 22nd birthday. It is understood the group of friends went to the amusement park at=20 Tramore on Saturday evening. Gardai said it appears Mason died following an accident whilst he was=20 on the Ghost Train ride. He sustained injuries to his head and body and efforts to save him=20 failed. A post mortem examination took place this morning but the results=20 will not be released for some days. --------- =A9 2006 UTV Internet and the UTV plc Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 554 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:50:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:50:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Neverland In Flames X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nKfyfNgdbMT9_PFW13Xdn8r9BlmSRccGetw8xpVspY94U-o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 28, 2006 Much - Music http://www.muchmusic.com/news/story.asp?id=3D18152 Los Olivos, CA -- Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch almost burned down=20 on Friday. Close to 100 firefighters were called to the property to=20 contain a 40-acre fire which came close to the main house and the=20 amusement park. Officials said that no animals, people or rides were harmed in the=20 blaze. Jackson hasn't been living at the ranch since he was acquitted of child=20 molestation charges in the summer of 2005. -------- =A9 2006 CHUM Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 15:59:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95737 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:56:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 22:54:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:54:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park cuts prices for Michigan residents X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wrTlmDoJkVWd2vdG1loZwmheVJ5ucuaashQbZvPVOdWuTI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 26, 2006 The Teledo Blade http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060826/BUSINESS06/608260370 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Point hopes to cash in on later school- year=20 starts in Michigan by offering the state's residents $10 off on 1-day=20 tickets to its Sandusky amusement park. Admission for Ohio residents remains $39.95. The Michigan promotion=20 runs through Sept. 17. The park has never offered such a promotion to Michigan residents,=20 but this year's mandate that schools start after Labor Day provided a=20 good opportunity to capture some business, said spokesman Robin=20 Innes. "They've got a week to 10 days extra time, and we're hoping we=20 can reach some extra customers from that area," he said. Valid proof of Michigan residency is required when purchasing reduced=20 tickets for those aged 3-61 and at least 4'-tall. Junior & senior=20 ticket prices remain at $9.95. CP executives acknowledged this year that a tough Midwest economy and=20 high gasoline prices had hurt attendance last year, so it cut its=20 admission price and some food prices. It chopped regular admission by=20 $5 and trimmed prices on items such as cotton candy, which plunged=20 from $3 to 25 cents. The pricing experiment was not followed by most national amusement=20 parks. The Sandusky park's owner has several amusement and water=20 parks nationwide. ---------- =A9 2006 The Blade From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 28 16:03:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82503 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k7SMuJWr029546 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:56:19 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:56:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:56:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2006 22:56:19.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D170740:01C6CAF5] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Cedar Point, Again Voted 'Best Amusement Park in the World' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=lzsgXOpX6L6GTYzkbKVr51X7m5yhBDYUiei9WCQduBTNWfgr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Well, that answered an earlier question of mine. I know .. what the heck are they smoking?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 16:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3833 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 23:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 23:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 23:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 23:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 23:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2006 23:00:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:00:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Paul Bunyan fun park to fade away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IpvibrlvzHjePJyCJi5-XGRBysA2DTHzs-F8_-8OnTedojI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 26, 2006 Grand Forks Herald Twin Cities Pioneer Press http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/15364907.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dtwincities_local BY KEVIN BONHAM Love just seems to blossom at the Paul Bunyan Amusement Park, a=20 downtown waterfront recreational park on Lake Bemidji. It's where Gary Trueblood met his future wife, Sandy, in the early=20 1960s. Both were attending Bemidji State University and working=20 summer jobs at the park, which was owned by Gary's parents. Their first ride together? "Probably the Ferris wheel," Gary said. "I don't know about that," Sandy said. "He doesn't do rides. We=20 always had to go see how they were running." Working or playing, they fell in love. By 1965, they had married and purchased the amusement park from=20 Gary's parents, who bought it in 1960 after years of running similar=20 facilities in Iowa. Gary also pursued a teaching career. He retired a few years ago as an=20 accounting and computer science instructor at Rainy River Community=20 College in International Falls, MN. But for more than 40 years, the couple spent their summers raising=20 their family at one of Bemidji's most familiar tourist attractions,=20 adjacent to the statues of Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox, and=20 watching young people =97 many of them employees =97 fall in love along=20 the way. That's why the approaching end of this summer season is so=20 bittersweet. After 47 years, it will be the last for the Paul Bunyan Amusement=20 Park. It will close =97 at least the way people know it =97 at the end of=20 Labor Day weekend. The Truebloods, who lease the land from the city of Bemidji, have=20 agreed to run it on a limited basis until their lease expires in=20 2010. But there's no guarantee it will last that long. The plan is to=20 operate the concession stand, a miniature golf course and a train=20 that encircles the complex. This fall, they'll sell the rides =97 the=20 Flying Fish kiddie ride, the Tilt-A-Whirl, the Berry-Go-Round and all=20 of the others. They're ready to retire, and the business just isn't booming the way=20 it did in the best years, from the early 1970s to the mid-1990s.=20 Besides insurance costs, which now devour more than one-third of=20 their season's receipts, they've seen a decline in tourist traffic=20 during the past decade. Like family-owned resorts, small amusement=20 parks are disappearing from lakeshores throughout northern Minnesota,=20 as property becomes more valuable for other uses. The city of Bemidji intends to invite proposals for lakefront=20 development over the next several months. One major plan was unveiled=20 earlier this week, after it became known that the Truebloods were=20 cutting back. Bill Batchelder, owner of Bemidji Woolen Mills, is proposing the=20 development of a "Bemidji Legends Adventure Golf and Family Fun=20 Adventure." It's an elaborate $1 million project that would offer an 18-hole=20 adventure golf course with a hole-by-hole history of northern=20 Minnesota, from the glacial age to the fur-trading era and the search=20 for the source of the Mississippi River, and to the logging history=20 and tradition. Other proposals may surface over the next several months. In the=20 meantime, the Truebloods are preparing to pack away a lifetime of=20 memorabilia. "The place does have a lot of family memories," Gary=20 said. For the Truebloods, as well as families throughout the Bemidji area=20 and beyond. "We're on our 3rd generation of children coming here," he=20 said. The Truebloods' children, like many youngsters in the Bemidji area,=20 grew up at the amusement park. By the time they were 8, daughters Eva=20 and Jessica were helping their parents, selling tickets or doing=20 other odd jobs throughout the summer season. But it wasn't all=20 work. "They'd disappear for a while, go down to the lake, and we'd=20 worry. They'd fish. They just had fun. But they always helped out, too,=20 Sandy said. They worked summers all the way through high school. Both met their=20 future husbands at the park. Jessica's husband, Josh, was a park=20 employee. Eva's husband, David, delivered Pepsi to the park. They were married under the towering willow trees near the lakeshore. At Eva's wedding, they counted 9 other young married couples. All had=20 worked at the park at one time, and all had met there. "Maybe the=20 greatest thing, or memory, is some of the kids we've had to work with=20 over the years," Gary said. "They've grown up and many have become so=20 successful." For Sandy, the idea of retirement is reflected in the smiling eyes of=20 her own grandson Kyle as he bobs up and down from a seat on the=20 Flying Fish ride. "We've loved it here. We always said we'd retire=20 when our grandson could ride the fish. "I guess it's about time now." --------- Copyright 2006 The Pioneer Press, a Knight Ridder newspaper From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 28 16:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42358 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 23:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2006 23:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2006 23:50:48 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.199] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GHqsJ-0003xk-2k for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <44F38172.8070902@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:51:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060828121852.43024.qmail@web42210.mail.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060828121852.43024.qmail@web42210.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e6a9bebd62fba1b022e9314d8d9eb056cacb9e9568f624f3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_Re=3A_NEWS=3A?= =?windows-1252?Q?_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_?= =?windows-1252?Q?with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=DdL3Pdekc6o7ygHAYapJmxgIkoxQcOmwxXNQCEerCKiT_es X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jeremy Norris wrote: > Hey! I thought only *I* was allowed to take potshots > at Hulk (and other green B&Ms)! =] Nah, there's a few of us out there that will take some shots here and there at Hulk. :P > lata, jeremy > --who will be riding Hulk this weekend, assuming > Ernesto doesnt blow the park away. > No worries from Ernesto. Heck, at this point we're planning on being at work at Disney through the silly thing, so I'm not to worried about it. It might actually turn out to be a great time to visit. How long down here in the Orland area, and should I keep my eyes open at the Magic Kingdom for you? Give me a good chance to razz you in person about your sappy fantasy football team. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 17:47:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42020 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 00:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 00:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 00:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 93088 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 00:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060829004441.93086.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.254.242] by web53108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:41 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: PR: Cedar Point, Again Voted 'Best Amusement Park in the World' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=7iiJ2E2WEAPx4onPQzqlOf-E84AT2GwlQgVwEjOQXiN2sDV2VuNy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, look at it this way: the two major "awards" were for things that enthusiasts are pretty much in agreement upon anyway -- SROS and Fiesta Texas shows. I think it's interesting that this big press release came on AOL.com, which of course is partnered with Time-Warner, which in turn used to own Six Flags (and still has a minor stake with licensing). > These coveted awards, often referred to as "The Oscars of the Amusement Industry," are voted on by a panel of experts and enthusiasts from across the country. < I think that's laying it on a little thick. > Best Park Concert Venue (Six Flags Darien Lake). < How ironic, since they're selling this place. > Six Flags garnered more Top 50 spots for its roller coasters than any other theme park company in the world. < Hmmmm...might that correlate to the fact that Six Flags owns more parks than anyone else? Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 05:26:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2219 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 12:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 12:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 12:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 88679 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 12:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20060829122526.88677.qmail@web42204.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:25:25 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44F38172.8070902@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with “Griffon” X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=FpVU2LzLBDlFe-GjsWzC08POZbPvcKmPaJiH0c7_dzIKgyje X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- george burnash wrote: > How long down here in the Orland area, and should I > keep my eyes open at > the Magic Kingdom for you? We'll only be there over the weekend. And sice we did Disney last year, this is strickly a Universal visit. sorry =( Give me a good chance to > razz you in person > about your sappy fantasy football team. :) Geez, at leat let me make *one* pick first =]. lata, jeremy --who is re-thinking being an FF commish again... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 29 07:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86451 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 14:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 14:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 14:42:14 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so1995411uge for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr4492907ugl; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:40:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yIBXAy6eVPbUYNLkYD-i9EklwCFf52f_A0PY8L0s46C-9bfvWNwRRNk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > from what ive seen here over the years, about half the coasters on > the planet have "good" and "bad" seats. how many times have you read > TRs here where someone talks about a ride being better or worse > in "this" or "that" seat? Nearly every coaster ever built has some seats that are better than others. But having a preference of seating is different from having to ride in a particular seat in order to get a good ride. The truly good coasters (S:ROS, Voyage, Hades, etc) are good in every seat. > id put it above Scorpion personally. Scorpion actually has forces. > my biggest puzzlement is folks who say that the drop has no forces. The drop on SheiKra is weaker (forces-wise) than any of the B&M hypercoasters, and that's just sad. > sure its not the most amazing coaster on the planet, but its still a > lot of fun. at least the second half is better than its orlando > neighbor, Hulk. What second half? There's another yawn-inducing drop off the midcourse, a boring turnaround, a long straight section, and a turn into the brakes so slow it feels like it's about to valley. Hulk's second half sucks too, but it's not as ridiculous as SheiKra's. -Nate From serpmage@juno.com Tue Aug 29 09:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72492 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 16:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 16:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 16:02:05 -0000 Received: from webmail01.lax.untd.com (webmail01.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.141]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCRJ3GJAU8KXSS for (sender ); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAOzmPQsJQerfoETdr7aE57fGqKCurEZlDA== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail01.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LYXZL64Y; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:00:21 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail01.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:00:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:00:10 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060829.090021.9049.808216@webmail01.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3987150800 X-MAIL-INFO:288969594de85d4dc5c5e8095d093d98f8618cd148d938ec5c61f8d568a9c84d38 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.141|webmail01.lax.untd.com|webmail01.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the E dge with “Griffon” X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=0IHsYHwMAB2kj7QXPQKAWWquycJTfPIO4pDjjwA-W6PVwTO1gA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >The drop on SheiKra is weaker (forces-wise) than any of the B&M >hypercoasters, and that's just sad. Actually, that's the whole point of the drop. You don't feel any=20 forces because you are free falling, the train is not exerting any=20 force at all on your body. So technically, yes, the drop is=20 forceless, but that's what makes it so cool. A ride doesn't=20 necessarily need to put you through so many G's that you pass out in=20 order for it to be a good ride. Besides, if they did that, it=20 wouldn't make for a very good family experience because there would=20 be a very small range of people physically able to ride it, and the=20 complete family experience is what Busch does so much better than=20 just about any but maybe Disney, and I would even argue that point on=20 a different day. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 09:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17098 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 16:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 16:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 16:19:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:15:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:15:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:15:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:15:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tips for Picking the Theme Park Ticket that's Right for You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ac-3JQob6fEI38R9py450Uv4D89LWkCdqlpEhLhWoACUlNg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 18, 2006 Wellsville Daily Reporter http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/articles/2006/08/29/ara/travel/499.txt Orland, FL -- If you're like many people, the most difficult part of=20 planning a trip to Orlando is trying to decipher the myriad of theme=20 park tickets available. What's the best deal? Why are there so many different ticket=20 combinations? Obviously, there's no one answer. Only you can determine the best=20 ticket for you depending on your budget, your preferences and the=20 amount of time you'd like to spend in a park. =20 If you plan to visit a park more than once, multi-day and multi-park=20 tickets can save you money while providing greater flexibility and=20 added convenience. Why stand in a variety of lines every day if you=20 can purchase tickets once in advance? You'll save time, and usually=20 save a little money, as well. Plus, a multi-park ticket allows you an opportunity to visit parks=20 that may not have originally been on your itinerary without making a=20 major investment in cost. Or, if you have already visited each of=20 the parks on a multi-park ticket, and you already know your preferred=20 activities, you can maximize your time and move more quickly from=20 park to park to catch all of your favorites. When buying multi-day and multi-park tickets, you'll also want to=20 consider the duration and rules of the ticket.=20 The length of valid duration varies by ticket, but most set specific=20 time frames and expiration dates - such as up to so many consecutive=20 days. Each ticket has its own restrictions and it is a good idea to=20 read the restrictions carefully before you purchase. Can you hop=20 from one park to another during a given day? Does the ticket expire=20 this week? Or can you come back and use it again a year from now?=20=20 Or three years from now? Typically, the more days or parks your ticket covers, the larger the=20 savings. So the more you go, the more you can save. But if you won't=20 be able to use the features of a multi-park ticket enough to justify=20 its cost, forget it. Or, if you feel pressured to visit the parks provided on a certain=20 multi-park ticket to justify its cost and have to forego parks you'd=20 really rather see, then it's best to find another ticket. This is=20 your vacation . . . and you'll want to make the most of it. An Orlando vacation can be ideal for the entire family. There are=20 enough parks and attractions to satisfy everyone. Think about what's=20 best for you, then take ample time to research the ticket options=20 available to you. Several convenient sites that offer a wide variety=20 of Orlando ticket options with descriptions - including substantially=20 discounted tickets include www.orlandofunparks.com,=20 www.ticket2orlando.com and www.orlandotrips.com. --------- Copyright =C2=A9 2006, ARA Content =A9 2006 Wellsville Daily Reporter From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 09:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40131 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 16:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 16:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.156) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 16:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:20:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 16:20:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:20:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New water theme park up north X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0h79B8-OHtrHAwhiBn6n8RkRaIMPzKEsAYG8vkTpliJjuM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 28-08-2006 The Edge Dailey http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.jsp? id=3Dcom.tms.cms.article.Article_4f413371-cb73c03a-dfe30300-d18da2ab Kedah,Malaysia -- The RM20 million Carnivall Water and Land of=20 Excitement theme park, the only water park in Kedah, aims to make=20 tourism an income-generating sector for the state when its doors open=20 for business by November. The theme park, which sits on a 7-hectare site and is part of the=20 Cinta Sayang Golf and Country Resort in Sungai Petani, is being=20 developed by Eupe Corporation Bhd. The park is designed by White-water West Industries Ltd from=20 Vancouver, Canada, which is also behind the construction of several=20 major theme parks in China, Vietnam and Cambodia. Cinta Sayang executive director Yeong Chee Fun said the park is=20 positioning itself to be a leisure and entertainment hub of the=20 northern region. She said the resort is working closely with the state government to=20 organise tourism-related activities in conjunction with Visit=20 Malaysia 2007 and Visit Kedah 2008. She said the park will complement existing activities at the resort,=20 which include archery, horse-riding, paintball, and sports and=20 gymnasium facilities. Yeong expressed confidence that they have a winner on their hands and=20 are targeting to attract families from Penang and Perlis as the only=20 other theme park in the region is in Bukit Merah, Perak. "Generally,=20 Penangites are quite short of time, so we capitalised on that factor=20 to create a place where every family member can enjoy themselves,=20 which is much closer to home and where travelling time is cut down. "We also want to make the resort and theme park an avenue for the=20 families of corporate figures to attend meetings and relax," she=20 said.=20 Yeong also said plans are in the pipeline to cash in on the huge=20 potential of the East Asian market that is on the lookout for=20 affordable vacation destinations. "Right now, we are targeting=20 Japanese and Korean parents, whose children have winter holidays and=20 are eager to escape the bitter cold of the winter season in their=20 home countries. "Furthermore, the Japanese and Koreans love to play golf and as such,=20 it will be a win-win situation where while parents head to the=20 driving range, the children can enjoy themselves at the theme park. "Our overall objective is for the resort and theme park to be a one- stop centre for family fun, catering to the needs of the busy=20 corporate figure as well as family members with all facilities under=20 one roof." ----------- =A9 2006. The Edge Communications Sdn Bhd. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 29 09:43:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56230 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 16:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 16:43:16 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so2084834ugf for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr4665036ugm; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:41:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060829.090021.9049.808216@webmail01.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060829.090021.9049.808216@webmail01.lax.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Ou90pl7NePXPluI7Ls4dUZ4EMs7XXMc8Nw_jj41IkCGqfnJCJPLEbSo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Actually, that's the whole point of the drop. You don't feel any > forces because you are free falling, the train is not exerting any > force at all on your body. So technically, yes, the drop is > forceless, but that's what makes it so cool. No, that's what makes it a complete bore. What makes freefalls fun is the initial moment of weightlessness which causes you to be "weightless" in your seat. You don't get that on Sheikra because it rolls down that pullover. You get a far better "freefall" feeling on something like Raging Bull because it whips over that pullover, giving you that initial burst of "negative" g-force (and yes, I know it's not really negative force). Riding SheiKra is like riding an down elevator. The only thing that makes it better than your average elevator is knowing that you're still at Busch Gardens, and there must be free beer nearby. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Aug 29 13:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67088 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 20:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 20:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 20:24:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:24:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:24:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=KawzITFusTLRhavql2KwlFlCylaoI6a8mFjdvFz7KydlA1_qQN9N0DgOlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: No, that's what makes it a complete bore. What makes freefalls fun=20 is > the initial moment of weightlessness which causes you to be > "weightless" in your seat. You don't get that on Sheikra because=20 it > rolls down that pullover.=20 ive decided you are on crack. reason being, im at BGT about once a=20 week and now that schools back in session the place is empty, which=20 means i can get a front row ride on sheikra every time im there. and=20 i know that ive come out of my seat consistently on the drop, even=20 somewhat on the second one. unless they are stapling you(which i=20 doubt), i just dont get how you say there is no freefall forces. so=20 it must be crack. do they sell crack at BGT? ;) =20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Aug 29 13:34:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64942 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:32:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:32:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=qiF7a-D-8gAnPYPeRAKiP-qIk-QUth6eRNYtZ9oOEk0iVvxcDiFgsEmfyg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Nearly every coaster ever built has some seats that are better than > others. But having a preference of seating is different from=20 having > to ride in a particular seat in order to get a good ride. >=20 > The truly good coasters (S:ROS, Voyage, Hades, etc) are good in=20 every seat. im not saying the other 2 rows are bad, but come on-its a DROP=20 machine. the front row is more or less required to get full effect.=20 just like a suspended-sure the other seats are great, but the front=20 row is always the longest line for a reason.=20 > What second half? There's another yawn-inducing drop off the > midcourse, a boring turnaround, a long straight section, and a turn > into the brakes so slow it feels like it's about to valley. Hulk's > second half sucks too, but it's not as ridiculous as SheiKra's. considering the second half of Hulk basically puts me to sleep, yeah=20 id say Sheikras 2nd half is still better.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 13:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72612 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 20:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 20:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 20:37:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2006 20:36:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:36:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Olr2i0z1z0xXraAoAZ1NpW6Ous67CFRn2_HPQ9GIwYRGR3E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: >SNIP< > The only thing that makes it better than your average > elevator is knowing that you're still at Busch Gardens, and there must > be free beer nearby. >=20 > -Nate That's enough for me! -Alan (Mmmm...Beer) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 29 14:46:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88529 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2006 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 21:45:48 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so4512618ugf for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr4857993ugm; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:44:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Hl1C5xHTjeGZFIVBQbDuH92vlwDlevc99EYUcbtBU1jZfPeDXCSxWC4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ive decided you are on crack. I'd rather be on crack than defending such a ridiculous ride. > reason being, im at BGT about once a > week and now that schools back in session the place is empty, which > means i can get a front row ride on sheikra every time im there. and > i know that ive come out of my seat consistently on the drop, even > somewhat on the second one. And once again, if you have to sit in a specific seat to get a good ride, I wouldn't call that a good coaster. -Nate From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 05:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33349 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 11:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 11:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 11:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 11:58:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 11:58:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 11:58:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:58:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 195.171.40.130 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: NEWS: Tips for Picking the Theme Park Ticket that's Right for You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=Twfw_yiZpYWv4cE9TdWHR1PB4Wpn1ZS9FERsR8sXQYkCUFNOPi1UYSU X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > July 18, 2006 > Wellsville Daily Reporter > http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/articles/2006/08/29/ara/travel/499.txt >=20 >=20 > Orland, FL -- If you're like many people, the most difficult part of=20 > planning a trip to Orlando is trying to decipher the myriad of theme=20 > park tickets available. >=20 My god, Talk about stating the obvious! Was this written for people=20 with no brains? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Aug 30 07:34:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73862 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 14:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 14:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 14:34:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:34:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=IMIlP_qRIrCnHBLUBgvPkN7h_9Es3FUl2oOp_Zl6PL3V1ydhN2t7WVpHrg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > And once again, if you have to sit in a specific seat to get a good > ride, I wouldn't call that a good coaster. but as i said, im not saying that the other rows/seats are bad, just=20 that the BEST experience is in the front. again, i could probably pick=20 out 100 TRs where someone said they got a better ride in a particular=20 seat on a particular coaster vs. a different seat on the same=20 coaster. "better ride in the back", the "AFLAC" seat, "front row, left=20 side", etc. how is that any different from me saying the front row is=20 the best for this ride? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 08:55:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18493 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 15:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 15:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 15:55:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:55:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Tips for Picking the Theme Park Ticket that's Right for You X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QVngLmJge-H2niuXvCAwQXIFgi4q_WR6TRGXCje7pefkkRI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_roachus"=20 wrote: > > My god, Talk about stating the obvious! Was this written for people=20 > with no brains? Most likely. -Alan From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 30 09:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66246 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 16:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 16:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 16:18:28 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so196251nfc for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr496450ugh; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=x0zQIPlYIrQ6wfAEVQNvgIr8C4rl5KPOMBnUwZmfAG7cOJs6jqRnb-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > i could probably pick > out 100 TRs where someone said they got a better ride in a particular > seat on a particular coaster vs. a different seat on the same > coaster...how is that any different from me saying the front row is > the best for this ride? Because that's not what you said. You said, "its a great ride, as long as you always sit in the front row." You didn't say "the front is the best," but that (essentially) you *must* sit in the front to get a good ride. And like I've been saying, that's not a sign of a good ride. And don't forget that up until about two months ago you were saying the same thing about SheiKra being a snoozefest. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 09:27:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49867 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 16:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 16:21:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 16:21:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:21:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3rzCjJ3NOYoCMsIuOq5RnzahpSVKE8_T4RvpikadU_McKDM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Here we go again (eyes rolling) Nate said: "And once again, if you have to sit in a specific seat to=20 get a good ride, I wouldn't call that a good coaster." And I agree. I think that Colossus at SFMM is horrible coaster, unless=20 you ride in the front seats, preferably on the left side. (Oh! How the=20 mighty have fallen.) However Nate, your comments are coming off a bit like you're=20 saying, "You're not a man unless you don't like having your eye-balls=20 sucked out of your head". And I know that's not what you're saying, it=20 just come across a bit machismo, that's all. I have completely different definitions on what is fun. And I don't=20 think I (or anyone) need to make any excuses for liking the family=20 roller coaster (or any coaster for that matter). Opinions are opinions, and like & dislikes are personal. Getting into a=20 verbal dueling-match over a belief system is, in my opinion, asinine.=20 Voice an opinion, agree to disagree, and leave it at that. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?" -Alan (Who may be a bit too sensitive at times) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 30 09:51:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5959 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 16:48:29 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so255212ugc for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr508760ugg; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:47:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_E?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?urope_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yZWbiNl1uCHhe1TlbFosDLhvA2zMA08qcVWgxMiXy1hfB7zUpLIdVoA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > However Nate, your comments are coming off a bit like you're > saying, "You're not a man unless you don't like having your eye-balls > sucked out of your head". And I know that's not what you're saying, it > just come across a bit machismo, that's all. No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I like intense rides. I think everyone knows that. I also find SheiKra to be almost completely forceless. If you think it's forceful, then that's fine. I don't know where you're finding them, but whatever. It's pointless to try to convince me that they're there when I experienced nothing. If they were there, I would have liked the ride, and I wouldn't be arguing against it! > I have completely different definitions on what is fun. And I don't > think I (or anyone) need to make any excuses for liking the family > roller coaster (or any coaster for that matter). I'm not asking for excuses. I gave my opinion on the ride, and there was (essentially) an attempt at discrediting me and my opinion. That's not fair. I think it's a forceless ride and that's disappointing for something that stands 200' high. I'm much more lenient on a coaster that's SUPPOSED to be a family ride. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:09:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45618 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:09:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:08:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:08:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:08:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:08:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8sBzYFMhlg5C1a-kswpPdGaLN9YDb3h7XTZoTj42nBzaFB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nate, I do understand your point. And, yes, we know you prefer intense=20 rides. And you are opinionated about that those facts, and I think=20 we've come to expect that from you - and would not expect anything=20 less. And yet, you, like a few others on this list, will argue intensely=20 about a subject that is OPINION, and act like you're not happy until=20 they submit to your opinion. What happens more than not =96 and we have proof abundant on this=20 sight =96 arguments will ensue, fierce battles back & forth over a=20 personal opinion, and then after awhile, one person will get fed-up,=20 and end the tirade with "Whatever!", and the rioting hulks sink back=20 into their corners, whilst the rest of us are left exhausted=20 wondering what the #+!! just happened! You may not realize it, but it is emotionally exhausting for those of=20 us who sit by and witness these barrages. And, maybe I'm just being=20 too sensitive, but parts of my life have been to too difficult to=20 want to listen these public verbal abuses. The internet, being an impersonal construct, provides too many=20 opportunities to behave in a manner that we would not normally, if we=20 were in a face-to-face conversation. And considering that we have=20 families and children who read this site, I think it behooves us to=20 be a little more conscious of our audience, language, and behavior. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > However Nate, your comments are coming off a bit like you're > > saying, "You're not a man unless you don't like having your eye- balls > > sucked out of your head". And I know that's not what you're=20 saying, it > > just come across a bit machismo, that's all. >=20 > No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I like intense rides. I=20 think > everyone knows that. I also find SheiKra to be almost completely > forceless. If you think it's forceful, then that's fine. I don't > know where you're finding them, but whatever. It's pointless to try > to convince me that they're there when I experienced nothing. If=20 they > were there, I would have liked the ride, and I wouldn't be arguing > against it! >=20 > > I have completely different definitions on what is fun. And I=20 don't > > think I (or anyone) need to make any excuses for liking the family > > roller coaster (or any coaster for that matter). >=20 > I'm not asking for excuses. I gave my opinion on the ride, and=20 there > was (essentially) an attempt at discrediting me and my opinion. > That's not fair. I think it's a forceless ride and that's > disappointing for something that stands 200' high. I'm much more > lenient on a coaster that's SUPPOSED to be a family ride. >=20 > -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:21:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39240 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:19:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:19:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Idlewild Park 3-Peats as the World's 2nd Best Amusement Park for Kids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ASG43ZuAW0dNRhLiEvkcdHeOK-s5H7qvR-VFmGJ0RPvME9g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 30, 2006 Press Release Source: Kennywood Entertainment PRNewswire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060830/clwv027.html?.v=3D1 LIGONIER, PA -- In a "Best of the Best" poll of experienced and well- traveled amusement park fans around the world, Amusement Today=20 Magazine awarded a prestigious Golden Ticket to Pennsylvania's=20 Idlewild & SoakZone amusement park for taking 2nd place honors as=20 the "best kid's park" in the world for the 3rd consecutive year.=20 =20 Idlewild & SoakZone placed 2nd behind LEGOLAND=AE California and ahead=20 of Memphis Kiddie Park in Cleveland, OH; Sesame Place, in Langhorne,=20 PA. which is a division of the Busch Entertainment Company; and=20 Kiddieland in Chicago, IL. Idlewild also took 5th place honors in=20 the "best kid's area" category. "Amusement Today Magazine's Golden Ticket Awards are truly=20 the "Oscars" of our industry and for Idlewild & SoakZone to be=20 recognized as the 2nd best kid's park in the world for the 3rd=20 consecutive year and 5th for best kid's area in the world is a huge=20 achievement for us and a credit to our team members," said GM Brandon=20 Leonatti. "While Idlewild & SoakZone appeals to people of all ages,=20 it is especially appealing to families with young children because we=20 go to great lengths to carefully balance our low-tech classic=20 attractions such as Story Book Forest with unique ones like Mister=20 Rogers' Neighborhood of Make-Believe and more high-tech attractions=20 like Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley. It's nice to know that as=20 America's 3rd oldest amusement park, we have the admiration of our=20 peers and still create summer fun memories that last a lifetime for 3=20 & 4 generations of families." -------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:27:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66881 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:26:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:26:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The Nut Tree blooms again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aqp8tSM384vQkeqgZLXhl6q8HQKfKap6qpIVeIHmSi4QqMk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 30, 2006 San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=3D/c/a/2006/08/30/BUG5FKRI0M1.DTL&feed=3Drss.business =20 Vacaville, CA -- Construction is nearly finished on the Nut Tree Park=20 in Vacaville http://www.nuttreeusa.com/ , where workers hammered=20 a "golden spike" into the rails of its miniature railroad Tuesday. The=20 amusement park for families with kids under age 11 is reopening in late=20 September as the centerpiece of the redeveloped 80-acre site. --------- =A92006 San Francisco Chronicle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63683 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2006 18:31:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:31:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Schlitterbahn wins top water park honor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aZvSmzP83GpL21eJ45nQReXCEzd6fcQgx3qbciCVSJQOU0g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/28/2006 San Antonio Express-News http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/stories/MYSA082906.02E.bizbriefs. 263a36c.html New Braunfels, TX -- Mew Braunfels-based Schlitterbahn Waterpark=20 Resort beat out competitors like Splashin' Safari in Indiana and=20 Typhoon Lagoon in Florida for "best water park" at an awards ceremony=20 Sunday by Amusement Today. This marks Schlitterbahn's 9th consecutive=20 year for winning the award. Schlitterbahn also received the top award for having the best water=20 park ride with its Master Blaster. Its landscaping also snagged it a=20 top award. Six Flags Fiesta Texas received the top award for having the best=20 shows among theme parks. It overpowered Dollywood in Tennessee and=20 Disney-MGM Studios in Florida with its lineup of shows. This is the=20 8th consecutive year the local park has won in this category. ----------- =A9 2006 KENS 5 and the San Antonio Express-News From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 30 11:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72628 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:39:46 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so282144ugc for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.7 with SMTP id z7mr571198ugl; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:37:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_E?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?urope_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=3uD_Ilv9LjceAvttwrynZyQX15CNL1sMNt4uShKKHoEIuk0LYJIm9bk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I don't think anything inappropriate has gone on here. Arguing and debating opinions has gone on here since the beginning. It's part of any Internet message board. Without those discussions, all we're left to read is news from obscure parks and countries nobody has ever heard of before. I'm not trying to be condescending here, but if it bothers you, then why are you reading it? Why the need to dictate what is and isn't being discussed? The discussion on this group has died down tremendously over the years. One thing that makes this place great is that we don't have the over-the-top arguing and name-calling that goes on other places (try reading nearly any other coaster board for a minute and you'll see what I mean). But if all we're supposed to do is agree with each other around here, then there's little point in even keeping the group afloat. That's all I have to say with regards to this unless more people want to jump in with input. Anything beyond that is probably best kept off-list. -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Aug 30 11:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28786 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2006 18:46:32 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so215911nfa for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr30190nfi; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.34.19 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30608301136pbd43674h8b1ea47724920d40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:36:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_E?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?urope_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=wvxbo5C_a66hJvYOtNdIn4grHsw10R5JUmAyh63WEhwMq7Kh X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 8/30/06, Alan wrote: > Nate, > I do understand your point. And, yes, we know you prefer intense > rides. And you are opinionated about that those facts, and I think > we've come to expect that from you - and would not expect anything > less. > > And yet, you, like a few others on this list, will argue intensely > about a subject that is OPINION, and act like you're not happy until > they submit to your opinion. He's not trying to get other people to agree with his opinion. At this point, I think the debate has turned to one of semantics and wording, and intent vs interpretation. > What happens more than not =96 and we have proof abundant on this > sight =96 arguments will ensue, fierce battles back & forth over a > personal opinion, and then after awhile, one person will get fed-up, > and end the tirade with "Whatever!", and the rioting hulks sink back > into their corners, whilst the rest of us are left exhausted > wondering what the #+!! just happened! That may happen other places, but it doesn't happen here all that often. > You may not realize it, but it is emotionally exhausting for those of > us who sit by and witness these barrages. And, maybe I'm just being > too sensitive, but parts of my life have been to too difficult to > want to listen these public verbal abuses. Emotionally exhaustive? If we all agree, what's the point of being part of a discussion group? If anything, this is the most activity this group has had all summer. > The internet, being an impersonal construct, provides too many > opportunities to behave in a manner that we would not normally, if we > were in a face-to-face conversation. And considering that we have > families and children who read this site, I think it behooves us to > be a little more conscious of our audience, language, and behavior. And you obviously haven't met Nate. He thrives just as much on face to face debate as he does on typing one out. Probably moreso because he's not misinterpretted nearly as often in person. And I haven't ready anything that lends itself to requiring a check up of language and behavior in this thread or recently in general. I know if this discussion were happening other places on line it would have been reduced to name calling and "whatevers" long before now. Leave it to me to be quiet all summer then pipe up to debate debating... sheesh... Beth From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 17:06:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47797 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 00:02:36 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.199] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GIa0o-0006k2-TS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:02:27 -0400 Message-ID: <44F6270D.30509@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:02:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e6a9bebd62fba1b069933490883c122f9659d35b3feee311350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_Re=3A_NEWS=3A?= =?windows-1252?Q?_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_?= =?windows-1252?Q?with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ZoOJ3IWa8eial68BrdJnX-cz7oRjxOzaPoSn7ZrUFLRqaUM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Guess I should say something here. Ok. :) Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > I don't think anything inappropriate has gone on here. Arguing and > debating opinions has gone on here since the beginning. It's part of > any Internet message board. Without those discussions, all we're left > to read is news from obscure parks and countries nobody has ever heard > of before. Agreed on this. I absolutely love the discussions where people have different opinions and explain why they have those opinions. I also very much appreciate that when they happen here it's been very rare for them to get impolite, rude, or beligerant as they do in so many places. I think that's been one of the great things about this list over the years. > > I'm not trying to be condescending here, but if it bothers you, then > why are you reading it? Because it's there, because it's interesting, because you don't know what's being said until you read it... :) All that said I understand and agree with both of you on this one. I think that Beth hit it on the head when she said: > He's not trying to get other people to agree with his opinion. At this > point, I think the debate has turned to one of semantics and wording, > and intent vs interpretation. And when they reach that point it's time, at least in my opinion, to move onto another subject. But some will still enjoy continuing on, and that's ok too. Back to Nate: Why the need to dictate what is and isn't > being discussed? I don't think that he was attempting to dictate what was being discussed so much as wondering if it was getting to the point where not only was the subject dead but also those discussing were starting to cross other lines and just didn't want to see that. It wasn't, but I can see how some could feel that way. The discussion on this group has died down > tremendously over the years. I think that's due to a variety of things, including email discussion lists as a whole becoming a dying breed. Another great example of that is RRC, which is practically dead compared to what it used to be a few years ago. Even still, we've actually been busier than we were last year at this time, and are one of the most active, if not the most active, amusement and park related group on Yahoo that isn't devoted totally to Disney. One thing that makes this place great is > that we don't have the over-the-top arguing and name-calling that goes > on other places (try reading nearly any other coaster board for a > minute and you'll see what I mean). But if all we're supposed to do > is agree with each other around here, then there's little point in > even keeping the group afloat. I think that's been the hallmark of this list over the years- that it's had a lot of great discussions about things that people sometimes disagree strongly about, yet those disagreeing will still get along very well and be very respectful of each other. It's something that doesn't happen at most other coaster sites, which is really to bad. For those wondering though, Nate has one thing in common with me- we're both very opinionated, and very strong about our opinions. As such, sometimes when we're discussing them it may come off as sounding a bit brusque. It's not meant that way. It's just stating the opinion as we see it, and that's how it is (at least in our mind) As such Nate and I have had some rather heated discussions at times when we've disagreed. And there have certainly been times when I've found myself wanting to shove my opinions down Nate's throat since he obviously hasn't figured out yet that I'm always right and he's not. ;P Even with that, I've thoroughly enjoyed those discussions, and I'm sure Nate has to, even when we've been polar opposites. And we certainly are at times. (just don't ask us to discuss politics. hehe) And yes, he's like that in person, as am I more often than I'd like. So don't take it personally. Just take it as a challenge to solidify your own opinions and be sure you know why you believe what you believe. :) And with that, I'll return you back to the original discussion. Lets see, where were we? Oh yeah, Nate's on crack because he can't feel the obvious g-forces on SheiKra, nor can realize that every seat on it is a great one, even though Dave likes it in the front and I like it in the back. Boy Nate, get off that stuff you're smoking already! Either that or start passing it around. ;) :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75459 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:00:30 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so552677uge for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.252.4 with SMTP id z4mr527550ugh; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:00:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44F6270D.30509@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F6270D.30509@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_E?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?urope_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5sCBxjdZPOBVOldZ6VNH4qktXRejxFn53WWwl_eRLnHvxQcgaHKQNNA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Because it's there, because it's interesting, because you don't know > what's being said until you read it... :) My point was that I don't think anyone was being inappropriate or out-of-line in what was being discussed, and as such I don't think it's fair to then complain about the discussion. For instance, we've had a couple of computer and tech-related off-topic discussions in the past few months. None of that interested me, and it had little (if anything) to do with the topic of this group. But I (and, I'm sure, many others) didn't say anything because I understand that every post to a message group isn't going to appeal to everyone. Nobody is being forced to read anything here, and as long as the rules are being followed, I don't think any discussion should be complained about. > I don't think that he was attempting to dictate what was being discussed > so much as wondering if it was getting to the point where not only was > the subject dead but also those discussing were starting to cross other > lines and just didn't want to see that. Perhaps that was a bad choice of words on my part. But I think there was an obvious undertone in his post that basically pointed toward his disapproval of such debates/discussions - essentially that he wished discussions of opinion wouldn't happen here. I'm glad that people have a say in how things operate here, but I also think things have gone pretty smoothly for a long time now. And I think discussions of opinion have always gone on here. I'd like to think we're past the point of seriously worrying about lines being crossed when debates happen. > The discussion on this group has died down > > tremendously over the years. > I think that's due to a variety of things, including email discussion > lists as a whole becoming a dying breed. Absolutely. I wasn't trying to claim the discussion was dying due to poor operation or anything like that. I think things are run just fine here. I was just making the point that discussion has been slowing, and that shutting down discussions may not be the way to proceed if we want this list to continue. > As such Nate and I > have had some rather heated discussions at times when we've disagreed. > And there have certainly been times when I've found myself wanting to > shove my opinions down Nate's throat since he obviously hasn't figured > out yet that I'm always right and he's not. ;P Arrogance aside ( ;-) ), we certainly have had our share of heated debates. And yet we have always gotten along just fine in person. I don't even remember seriously debating anyone over anything coaster-related in public. Being on a discussion group is one thing. Hanging out with other enthusiasts in person is another. I don't tend to talk about the hobby a whole lot when I've met people off-list. Sure, discussion naturally shifts in that discussion occasionally (largely because we're probably at an amusement park at the time of meeting), but there are plenty of other things to talk about. I get enough coaster discussion online, and when I meet people in person, I'd generally rather talk about other things. I don't take anything here too seriously, and I don't think anyone else should either. For instance, I think it's great that Doug and George enjoy SheiKra. I'd ride it again in a heartbeat if I was at BGT. I just don't think it's a particularly good ride. > Even with that, I've thoroughly enjoyed those discussions, and I'm sure > Nate has to, even when we've been polar opposites. And we certainly are > at times. (just don't ask us to discuss politics. hehe) Thankfully, that's one discussion we haven't gotten involved in. :-) > Nate's on crack because he can't feel the > obvious g-forces on SheiKra, nor can realize that every seat on it is a > great one, even though Dave likes it in the front and I like it in the > back. Do you throw your hands in the air and scream when riding fast elevators also? :-) -Nate (whose 16-year-old brother also got off SheiKra and proclaimed it a "boring waste of time") From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:15:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62476 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.110) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:14:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:12:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:12:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:12:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:12:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=O1j82SW1EzlRVVYxvIQ9-TLqKBReoclN72lHvm08_inS6Y4ms90RJJC5yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > i could probably pick > > out 100 TRs where someone said they got a better ride in a=20 particular > > seat on a particular coaster vs. a different seat on the same > > coaster...how is that any different from me saying the front row=20 is > > the best for this ride? >=20 > Because that's not what you said. You said, "its a great ride, as > long as you always sit in the front row." You didn't say "the=20 front > is the best," but that (essentially) you *must* sit in the front to > get a good ride. And like I've been saying, that's not a sign of a > good ride. but that doesnt mean the other seats are "bad", or for that matter=20 that the ride sucks. just for the "best" ride, sit in the front.=20 just because something is not labeled as the "best" doesnt mean that=20 the others are "bad", they just might not be as good. see what im=20 saying? as ive said a million times, just because a ride has some=20 sweet spot seats doesnt mean that the other seats or horrible. on=20 any coaster there are good, ok, and bad seats.=20 =20 > And don't forget that up until about two months ago you were saying > the same thing about SheiKra being a snoozefest. ah, but did i say it was forceless and a bore, like you are saying?=20 no i just said that the ride was ok. i didnt say it was bad. there=20 are very few coasters id label as flat out bad. and that means that=20 no matter where you sit, the ride sux. i never said that about=20 sheikra.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11153 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:18:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:18:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=dcQfp4G7mTTmQTjYyfuqVoYmPF7pU66rUcBeWY27OyP23QphJwcUxVwWug X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > I'm not asking for excuses. I gave my opinion on the ride, and there > was (essentially) an attempt at discrediting me and my opinion. > That's not fair.=20 oh give me a break. where did i try and discredit you? someone was=20 asking what a dive machine was like, you and i have different views on=20 it, and i made a joke about not listening to you and you being on=20 crack because you said it was forceless. i was obviously joking. where=20 you got that as an attempt to discredit you is beyond me. i think you=20 are taking this way to seriously.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69890 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:25:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:25:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:25:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=i1N6Epyclh4Ri_Fk-1C9uOeZif5EC1fx0aSxxB2j2HdyoJnABb9kyJfl8A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > You may not realize it, but it is emotionally exhausting for those=20 of=20 > us who sit by and witness these barrages. And, maybe I'm just=20 being=20 > too sensitive, but parts of my life have been to too difficult to=20 > want to listen these public verbal abuses. >=20 > The internet, being an impersonal construct, provides too many=20 > opportunities to behave in a manner that we would not normally, if=20 we=20 > were in a face-to-face conversation. And considering that we have=20 > families and children who read this site, I think it behooves us=20 to=20 > be a little more conscious of our audience, language, and behavior. as much as i might disagree with nate, i didnt really get that from=20 his posts. yes hes opinionated about the subject of sheikra, but i=20 never felt he was being bullying or anything like that. keep in mind=20 there are WAY worse coasterfiends on other sites. we are lucky hes=20 as calm as he is-its the reason i DONT go to other coaster sites=20 very often. i dont feel nate was out of line, just that he cant take=20 a joke, thats all. but thats what happens sometimes when you are=20 passionate about a hobby. besides, its a good thing we arent=20 discussing politics-im much more opinionated about that subject on=20 other message boards!=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42994 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:30:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:30:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=mPB6wuSGfHgMssKmyBFkRn8Tx_pNDoPFQkdaufYDmoFCojapiA7l9PSa9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: The discussion on this group has died down > tremendously over the years. One thing that makes this place=20 great is > that we don't have the over-the-top arguing and name-calling that=20 goes > on other places (try reading nearly any other coaster board for a > minute and you'll see what I mean). But if all we're supposed to=20 do > is agree with each other around here, then there's little point in > even keeping the group afloat. i agree. a weekend or so ago there was a couple days of NO=20 discussions at all. id still rather read a lively arguement than see=20 a dead yahoo group if thats what it takes. think about it-if nate=20 and i hadnt gotten into this, there would have been half the number=20 of posts this past week.=20 and like nate said, if you dont like the discussion dont read it.=20 neither he nor i were being billigerent or rude or using foul=20 language(other than my comment about him being on crack, which i was=20 pretty sure was an obvious joke). im on a few other message boards=20 for various topics, and i always skip the discussions im not=20 interesteed in. i know its a little different if you get the yahoo=20 group mailer, but just scroll through it if you dont want to read=20 something. its what i do when i get it in my email.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 109 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:54:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:54:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:54:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44F6270D.30509@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=eHrR-_Dd_OhKlyu1bxsihYUlci62Dv4K3eKE-c-b1wvFm1DwuT5PJkM_gQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > The discussion on this group has died down > > tremendously over the years.=20 >=20 > I think that's due to a variety of things, including email=20 discussion=20 > lists as a whole becoming a dying breed. Another great example of=20 that=20 > is RRC, which is practically dead compared to what it used to be a=20 few=20 > years ago. Even still, we've actually been busier than we were=20 last=20 > year at this time, and are one of the most active, if not the most=20 > active, amusement and park related group on Yahoo that isn't=20 devoted=20 > totally to Disney. which bring me to a thought, george. perhaps its time to move RCT to=20 something like a more traditional message board, maybe like=20 vBulletin or something like that? the biggest thing would be finding=20 a host site to set up the board, but maybe its time to move the=20 board to a new location? while i love the discussions and yes the=20 lack of animosity and namecalling, it is a bit trying to read and=20 sort out. i know this has been talked about before, but maybe if we=20 all worked together we could start a new site, a proper message=20 board.=20 this would also be a good way to go so that folks like alan could=20 ignore certain discussions that he or whoever feels is getting old=20 or out of line(hope that doesnt sound condescending; as i said in=20 another post, i ignore discssion threads on other message boards all=20 the time).=20 > Oh yeah, Nate's on crack because he can't feel the=20 > obvious g-forces on SheiKra, nor can realize that every seat on it=20 is a=20 > great one, even though Dave likes it in the front and I like it in=20 the=20 > back.=20 allright george, you better not be calling ME "dave"!=20 dont make me start making attacking disney, cause goshdarnit, i=20 will! :p From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48676 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:57:46 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so617910uge for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr563753ugh; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:57:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dZk5-6qpducFVXt36OlahcHgfd3Wwbi-hmoPPT0X4ETdtqni2C276XQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > oh give me a break. where did i try and discredit you? someone was > asking what a dive machine was like, you and i have different views on > it, and i made a joke about not listening to you and you being on > crack because you said it was forceless. i was obviously joking. where > you got that as an attempt to discredit you is beyond me. i think you > are taking this way to seriously. LOL! You can trust me when I say I'm not taking this seriously at all. If I was, then it would probably be time to lock me up. My post wasn't directed toward you anyway. Alan complained that I was arguing opinion, and I pointed out that I was only defending an initially-stated opinion. If you'd read my other posts, you'd find that I don't think that either of us were in the wrong. I realize you were kidding. You shouldn't take me so seriously either. > but that doesnt mean the other seats are "bad", or for that matter > that the ride sucks. just for the "best" ride, sit in the front. But (again!) that's not what you said. You said that SheiKra is good *as long as you sit in the front seat.* That implies that it's NOT good if you don't sit in the front seat. Maybe that's not what you meant. Fine. It's not my fault if you didn't speak clearly. ;-) > ah, but did i say it was forceless and a bore, like you are saying? > no i just said that the ride was ok. Now we really are arguing semantics. A 200+ foot tall ride should be more than just "okay." I don't remember the exact words you made months ago, but that you certainly weren't a SheiKra defender. I think we've both made our points; I'm ready to admit that you're wrong and move on. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 08:03:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78517 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 14:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 14:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 14:59:42 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:59:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 14:59:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:59:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=nSK9HfGYbpzCbsDgenA5b7R2_ynVbf894223QL2IFi7sI6zks6zLgajE7g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > I'd like to think we're past the > point of seriously worrying about lines being crossed when debates > happen. but that will be something you always will have to worry about as new=20 people join. there will always be the occasional flamer or troll show=20 up, its even happened here from time to time over the years, though=20 thankfully george or whoever squashes them pretty quick and most of=20 them stay on the OTHER coasters boards that shall remain nameless. > Do you throw your hands in the air and scream when riding fast > elevators also? :-) note to self... From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 08:16:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7119 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 15:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 15:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 15:16:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 15:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 15:16:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:16:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=jlDfLXiXKBUJbOI721W-fhDsqUuNQCQ4JvMLjz_fn0AtN1bm-OEwcJrBQA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > LOL! You can trust me when I say I'm not taking this seriously at > all. If I was, then it would probably be time to lock me up. My=20 post > wasn't directed toward you anyway. Alan complained that I was=20 arguing > opinion, and I pointed out that I was only defending an > initially-stated opinion. If you'd read my other posts, you'd find > that I don't think that either of us were in the wrong. I realize=20 you > were kidding. You shouldn't take me so seriously either. ok good. see, alan? we are playing nice! :) =20 =20 > You said that SheiKra is good *as long as you sit in the front=20 seat.* > That implies that it's NOT good if you don't sit in the front seat. > Maybe that's not what you meant. Fine. It's not my fault if you > didn't speak clearly. ;-) as i beleive beth pointed out, i think we are areguring semnatics.=20 yes, to me sheikra is a great ride in the front and as i said before=20 thats sort of the point of it being a dive machine-if you arent in=20 one of the seats hanging over the edge you do sort of miss the drop=20 and its effect. the front row is really the best vantage point. that being said, id still ride it in any seat if for some reason the=20 front row queue was too long or whatever. i wouldnt do that for say=20 Python, which to me is just a bad coaster, no matter the seat.=20 Sheikra is not a "bad" coaster if you dont ride in the front row.=20 you just wont get the best effect. in the front row, its a great=20 ride. in the other 2, its an ok ride. still fun, but you would be=20 missing a large part of what makes it a dive machine. same thing for=20 riding a suspended in the front-the view i just better and=20 unobstructed.=20 > Now we really are arguing semantics. A 200+ foot tall ride should=20 be > more than just "okay."=20=20 i tend to agree to an extent, especially from B&M(which i will whore=20 for till the day i die). but i dont know if height has anything to=20 do with it. you and i both know that there are some great rides out=20 there that dont even hit the 200 mark. hell i think the batman=20 suspended clones are full of forces, and they barely hit 100 feet!=20 conversely, aside from the launch ive heard plenty of people bemoan=20 Kingda and TTD as being "ok", and we know how tall those are. should=20 a 420 or 450 foot coaster just be "ok" as well? From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 09:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30250 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 16:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 16:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 16:30:50 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.199] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GIpRI-00076q-93 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:30:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478509ac0f1770e54373c0e2981685eda58f204a2c082b4e4cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=h14W-9JxmWUEBWKwMkxgKeO09Dll1axs3FmTIQdKy_l-1rE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > The discussion on this group has died down > > > tremendously over the years. > > > > I think that's due to a variety of things, including email > discussion > > lists as a whole becoming a dying breed. Another great example of > that > > is RRC, which is practically dead compared to what it used to be a > few > > years ago. Even still, we've actually been busier than we were > last > > year at this time, and are one of the most active, if not the most > > active, amusement and park related group on Yahoo that isn't > devoted > > totally to Disney. > > which bring me to a thought, george. perhaps its time to move RCT to > something like a more traditional message board, maybe like > vBulletin or something like that? the biggest thing would be finding > a host site to set up the board, but maybe its time to move the > board to a new location? while i love the discussions and yes the > lack of animosity and namecalling, it is a bit trying to read and > sort out. i know this has been talked about before, but maybe if we > all worked together we could start a new site, a proper message > board. yeah, we've kind of briefly talked about it in the past a few times, mostly just kind of grazing accross the surface with it. While there might be some benefits of a message board, I think that we would actually lose a lot of what we have going for us here if we did that. We'd certainly lose some of our readers and posters who either don't like message boards for a variety of reasons, or who can't access them on a regular basis but can do email. Then there's the additional problems of monitoring and maintaining it, which becomes a constant job, especially since message boards tend to attract a lot more of the young and immature flamers and idiots. Here it's often fairly easy to tell who they might be when they first sign up from their email addresses. If their sign-up sends up a red flag, I'll usually drop them an email asking them about themselves first, and that'll often help me make a good decision on who to not let in. That doesn't work so well with a message board. Plus, since I don't have the time to sit and watch the boards, I'd then have to put in a staff and moderators and all that, and frankly I think it works great not having that on a variety of levels, and allows most of us to be a bit freer when speaking their minds since they don't have to worry about ticking off a mod, or having to squash themselves a bit since they are a mod. Plus a whole bunch of other things. I'm sure that at some point in time just due to the evolution of the net and how things go we'll eventually have to morph over into something else, but for now it seems like that can still wait for a while. BTW, I did some checking, and outside of one Disney group we are easily the most active amusement park related group on Yahoo groups. As well as one of the oldest on Yahoo and, if you look at the full history, the oldest group around outside of RRC. So we're still doing pretty good. :) > > Oh yeah, Nate's on crack because he can't feel the > > obvious g-forces on SheiKra, nor can realize that every seat on it > is a > > great one, even though Dave likes it in the front and I like it in > the > > back. > > allright george, you better not be calling ME "dave"! Argh, whoops, sorry Doug. ** slaps self on head ** Man, my forehead is looking a bit flat these days... > > dont make me start making attacking disney, cause goshdarnit, i > will! :p Here's the funny thing- you can praise or attack Disney pretty much all you want and there's not going to be much I'm going to say about it. With my NDA, and how extremely seriously Disney takes it, especially in comparison to the other chains, there's a reason I pretty much don't comment on Disney right now, even for the good. Outside of quoting easy to obtain facts (hours, prices, closures, etc.), I won't say much of anything, just to keep myself safe. Not even TR's on the parks, all of which I've been to now. Figured that out when they actually asked me about a couple of things I'd posted on the net in my interview. :) In any case, I've got about 2 weeks left at the Magic Kingdom, then I'm moving over to the Disney-MGM Studios, where I'll be for the next 6 months or so. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 10:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14900 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 17:15:16 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so560818ugf for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr656781ugm; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:11:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=SFs6YUuoGwcV_vYC97QscU_ydxkPfVoORV8tiez8Ho4UvL51aVQ0yME X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > you and i both know that there are some great rides out > there that dont even hit the 200 mark. hell i think the batman > suspended clones are full of forces, and they barely hit 100 feet! > > conversely, aside from the launch ive heard plenty of people bemoan > Kingda and TTD as being "ok", and we know how tall those are. should > a 420 or 450 foot coaster just be "ok" as well? This is an interesting subject, and perhaps a good lead-in for future discussion. I think that every coaster has a specific purpose - that is, something it is supposed to be or do. A coaster that stands only 35' tall and is just twists and turns is obviously meant for families. A coaster with inversions is obviously meant for older children and/or adults . A coaster that stands 400+ feet tall is obviously meant for thrill seekers. So are these coasters successfully hitting their target audience? SheiKra, for instance, is pretty impressive-looking (and pretty intimidating). It's certainly the most thrilling-looking coaster in the park. So I'm sure it attracts a lot of the park's thrill-seekers. But the problem is that it's *not* thrilling. It might be "fun," but I think if you're building a ride of that size with vertical drops it should provide some intense thrills. For the same reason, I think the B&M and Morgan hypercoasters are fairly ridiculous. They're like 200' tall family rides. What's the point of building a family coaster that tall when the same thing could be accomplished with a much smaller (and cheaper) ride? You mentioned Batman in your initial post. I don't think that ride should necessarily be more forceful with more height, but I don't think that rides with extreme height (200+ feet) should be "forceless" either. Batman appeals to thrill seekers for several reasons, I think it's wildly successful at that. You should see the line that B:TR continues to draw at SFGAm, even 14 years after it was built. Realize I'm speaking almost exclusively as an enthusiast here. I understand the marketing benefits of such a large ride. I would argue, though, that younger kids who would have no problem riding something like Wild Thing are probably too intimidated to do so by it's sheer height, and thrill seekers also walk away from the ride slightly disappointed. So really, what's the sense in it? Anyone have other thoughts? -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 10:22:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59234 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 17:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 17:20:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:20:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=bRLQnOijV20jiJ7YwvLmdGwPeo9zjvwgNm9F0fDhvtt1AZtMmBLlmKODAA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > BTW, I did some checking, and outside of one Disney group we are=20 easily=20 > the most active amusement park related group on Yahoo groups. As=20 well=20 > as one of the oldest on Yahoo and, if you look at the full=20 history, the=20 > oldest group around outside of RRC. So we're still doing pretty=20 good. :) eh fine, you old fart! :) >In any case, I've got about=20 > 2 weeks left at the Magic Kingdom, then I'm moving over to the=20 > Disney-MGM Studios, where I'll be for the next 6 months or so. nice. i havent been to disney since 83(when Epcot opened i think),=20 but ive heard good things about MGM Grand. what are you going to be=20 doing over on that side?=20 in any case, we MIGHT be going to disney next year with a friend of=20 mine and his daughter. having a baby son, i guess living in=20 proximity to disney makes a visit inevitable sooner or later.=20 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 11:15:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59613 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 17:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 17:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 17:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5294 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 17:58:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831175814.5292.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:58:14 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:58:14 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Memphis Kiddie Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=L2VR43TBjlRCqu_or7zQcCTNu1ktzGjKSvz7zJeQKGwMGa-jGTDz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >Idlewild & SoakZone placed 2nd behind LEGOLAND® >California and ahead >of Memphis Kiddie Park in Cleveland, OH; Are you kidding me? Memphis Kiddie Park even showed in these awards? This place is a dump. The rides are on a half acre of land, and there are only maybe 10 rides to begin with. Aside from the coaster, there is nothing there for anyone older than maybe 3. The only reason we go is because it's dirt cheap, and it's closer than CP or GL. And because we can leave in 30 minutes. Maybe someday I'll get around to typing my TR of Tuscora Park in New Philadelphia, OH. Now *that* is a kiddie park that deserves recognition. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50289 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:12:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:11:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:11:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:11:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ryR4YbkvoCCZ9NJSN0My0m9U0Ks4Qc1dH-hfrojc7MDsBNe1w0y3O4G7tg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > I think that every coaster has a specific purpose - that is,=20 something > it is supposed to be or do. A coaster that stands only 35' tall=20 and > is just twists and turns is obviously meant for families. A=20 coaster > with inversions is obviously meant for older children and/or=20 adults . > A coaster that stands 400+ feet tall is obviously meant for thrill > seekers. so how about spinning mice? they arent tall, but they sure can be=20 full of forces. or Scorpion, or any of the other Shwartzkoph(yes i=20 know im spelling it wrong) coasters? again not exactly intimidating=20 and sort of look like a family coaster, but they can surprise you.=20 also there is obviously a lot of differences when it comes to what a=20 coaster's height is and what it can do, which is why i dont think=20 how tall it is can relate to what it does. i see what you are=20 saying, but one 150 coaster can be a completely different animal=20 from another. saying that this or that size is meant for this or=20 that age of person just cant be applied into such neat categories.=20 i think you are applying some pretty broad labels on some things. it=20 varies from person to person. what you or i may think of as being a=20 family coaster might not apply to the average person who isnt a=20 coaster fiend. lets look at Scorpion again. its not very tall, looks=20 more or less like a family coaster, but ive seen some people come=20 off that thing that look like they either had the wind knocked out=20 of em or were about to hurl. and its only 65 feet tall!=20 this kind of goes back to something i think george was discussing a=20 few months ago-maybe some of us have done this so much that we are=20 becoming spoiled(in fact, i think we were even discussing Sheikra).=20 while you or I might look at Sheikra and say "uh huh, yet another=20 200 ft coaster", youre average tourist might be seriously=20 intimidated by that, and yes in fact might feel they had a full on=20 forceful ride on it because they dont experience coasters as much as=20 we do. they might ride them once or twice a year, if that, and they=20 just arent accustomed to it like we are.=20 =20 > So are these coasters successfully hitting their target audience? > SheiKra, for instance, is pretty impressive-looking (and pretty > intimidating). It's certainly the most thrilling-looking coaster=20 in > the park. So I'm sure it attracts a lot of the park's thrill- seekers. > But the problem is that it's *not* thrilling. It might be "fun,"=20 but > I think if you're building a ride of that size with vertical drops=20 it > should provide some intense thrills.=20=20 what is "thrilling" exactly? how do you define it? how does someone=20 else define it? how bout "fun"? again we are getting down to=20 semantics again. one mans fun is another mans thrill, and vice=20 versa. or whos to say that they are mutually exclusive?=20 secondly this gets back to personal opinion, doesnt it? you claim it=20 as NOT thrilling. i do.=20 For the same reason, I think the > B&M and Morgan hypercoasters are fairly ridiculous. They're like=20 200' > tall family rides.=20=20 but wait-werent you the one that just said that a ride being only 35=20 feet tall were the family rides? how can a ride thats 200 feet tall=20 be for the family also? see, this is the problem with=20 compartmentalizing things. not everything is going to be black and=20 white and easy to catergorize.=20 >What's the point of building a family coaster that > tall when the same thing could be accomplished with a much smaller > (and cheaper) ride? because they obviously arent the same. you cant tell me the Gs are=20 the same from a 35 foot coaster to a 200 foot one. height alone=20 makes the different animals.=20 > You mentioned Batman in your initial post. I don't think that ride > should necessarily be more forceful with more height, but I don't > think that rides with extreme height (200+ feet) should=20 be "forceless" > either. Batman appeals to thrill seekers for several reasons, I=20 think > it's wildly successful at that. You should see the line that B:TR > continues to draw at SFGAm, even 14 years after it was built. but again you are trying to put labels where they dont necessarily=20 need to exist. where does it say that taller must equal more forces?=20 or that if its small it has to be gentle(again, spinning mice and=20 coasters like Scorpion)?=20 maybe my crack analogy was correct. i think that as coaster freaks,=20 we start needing bigger and badder coasters to get the same thrills=20 we did when we started out on 75 or 100 foot ones. we need that=20 bigger fix, those stronger forces, that taller drop. some of us=20 anyways.=20 the thing is, your average park attendee is not like that. so why=20 not build a big fun coaster for them? BGT doesnt have a drop tower,=20 so in a way they got 2 rides in one.=20 and i for one will say till the day i die that i feel it when it=20 drops. id say given the lines a LOT of people do too. if it were=20 forceless, id say the lines wouldnt be there. sure its still too=20 early to tell, but id say the lines will still just as long for it=20 as it is for the other B&Ms there. but i also dont ride as many coasters as some of you, so maybe im=20 not as accustomed to some of the bigger wilder coasters. i wonder,=20 if i lived near Cedar Point or SFMM or SFGAdv, would i still find=20 Sheikra as thrilling? probably a thesis paper in there somewhere... >thrill seekers also walk away from the ride > slightly disappointed. So really, what's the sense in it? lol, no YOU are the one walking away dissappointed. i know that=20 others here DO like it, as well as enthusiasts on other boards.=20 again, not everyone gets into coasters in the same way you do. i=20 think thats the problem-you are sort of holding everyone up to your=20 own personal specifications.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 12:20:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61536 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:17:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PHxbgZksrN1Kx1TWXoTu1O4x-v4oOiRznyCOoNNTf0tUH4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'm glad we've had this little discussion. And I must admit I was=20 having a bit of a bad day yesterday, and I might have taken it out on=20 y'all a little bit =96 I'm sorry :(. At least you can't say the board has been dead over the past day or=20 two. And we got Beth out of here summer hiatus! Many good points were made: 1) We do have one of the friendliest=20 groups around (Why do you think I've been here for so long?). 2) We=20 don't call each other names =96 often. And the comment like saying Nate=20 is on crack, I'm sure most of us know it's a joke (I hope it's a=20 joke ;)) 3) We probably have some of the more intelligent=20 conversations of any coaster group (and yes, I have read other=20 group's discussions =96 and they scare me). There is one thing I will defend, and that it I choose my words VERY=20 carefully. Words have very specific meanings, and I try to use those=20 meanings to their best advantage. Not for argument sake, but for=20 clarity sake. (Actually, yesterday's post was one of the best- constructed documents I've even done =96 it just flowed out of me!) Anyway, It's time now to hold hands, and sing Kombi-yah. All together now... -Alan From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76714 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.191) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:31:25 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p48so462965nfa for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.5 with SMTP id x5mr1950523nfi; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.34.19 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30608311231l4eb3e0bejcf0c13d87d386a13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:31:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_E?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?urope_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=VUKrzXiCjhX9oMA3MMWfXpqM9rG4iiMP6SOpFH_iKB8sNmao X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 8/31/06, Alan wrote: > At least you can't say the board has been dead over the past day or > two. And we got Beth out of here summer hiatus! Maybe I'll even consider writing up something that sort of looks like a TR after visiting Denver area parks this weekend ;) But don't hold your breath on that one... Beth From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:38:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67184 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:36:44 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:36:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:36:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 19:36:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:36:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=iX-4rAGkeWXtyNBg_TVWDuYKhdOOUC7LSyc2837q2WS1oW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > But the problem is that it's *not* thrilling. It might be "fun," but > I think if you're building a ride of that size with vertical drops it > should provide some intense thrills. For the same reason, I think the > B&M and Morgan hypercoasters are fairly ridiculous. They're like 200' > tall family rides. What's the point of building a family coaster that > tall when the same thing could be accomplished with a much smaller > (and cheaper) ride? I will agree and disagree on this one. On the disagree side, I do think that some of the B&M hypers push to the side where the visual anticipation lives up to the physical experience. I think both Nitro and Goliath (GA) are excellent while Silver Star and Apollo's are not.=20=20 On the agreeing side of things, I think Silver Star is a good example of where you mentioned that the ride experience is not as good as it looks. Europa Park has had a problem because most of the forces have been engineered out of that ride. During my visit to the park during IAAPA's 2004 Summer Meeting several people commented that the park has had problems having the coaster find the right crowd. The ride profile is way too tall to be sold as a family attraction, but the center line isn't aggressive enough to pull a lot of thrill-seeking riders back for another ride. Adam From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 12:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80744 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54214.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17694 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 19:38:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831193805.17691.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:38:05 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:38:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the Edge with “Griffon” + Tirades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=2hz6EdD7sIvxaDsjRdi1MMuQemU9W9SGMoZXtCi5bNEyiahBwl1n6acyEhj0glT2 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KOMBI-YAH, MY LORD, KOMBI-YAH :) This is my favorite rollercoaster discussion group. We tend to keep things on an intelligent level, and are considerate of others thoughts. Alan wrote: Anyway, It's time now to hold hands, and sing Kombi-yah. All together now... --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 12:42:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78125 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 19:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 19:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.199] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GIsNN-0003ou-LU for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: <44F73ABD.1010403@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:38:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478509ac0f1770e543759c2b3d8e269a6ebbc7a1fe568047862350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3Gp4_-b8ApbEe86WTq0ZJ8EXjA332l--jymFVGEsmK_3OjM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > BTW, I did some checking, and outside of one Disney group we are > easily > > the most active amusement park related group on Yahoo groups. As > well > > as one of the oldest on Yahoo and, if you look at the full > history, the > > oldest group around outside of RRC. So we're still doing pretty > good. :) > > eh fine, you old fart! :) Great, now you're sounding like one of my kids. :P > > >In any case, I've got about > > 2 weeks left at the Magic Kingdom, then I'm moving over to the > > Disney-MGM Studios, where I'll be for the next 6 months or so. > > nice. i havent been to disney since 83(when Epcot opened i think), > but ive heard good things about MGM Grand. what are you going to be > doing over on that side? I'm a photographer with Disney's Photopass, so I'll be hanging around with 12 pounds or more of camera and equipment taking pictures of people with the big hat or with the characters. You can read more about it here: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/special/specialindex?id=DisneyPhotoPassPage Great program, and easily the most fun job I've ever had. Pay is pretty good also. :) It's also pretty flexible as I can work in any of the major 4 parks, so if I want a change of scenery it's easy enough to pick up a shift at a different location on my days off. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 15:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85274 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 22:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 94507 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 22:21:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831222145.94505.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.7.32] by web53106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:21:45 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Idlewild Park 3-Peats as the World's 2nd Best Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=rBYEJbknH8A5msWg3E_UbzW2ii7BAa7kwIXtJK_Q0ArY82FM8co8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad Idlewild got the award, and I hope the news spreads to the G.P. as= well. Their huge storybook section is a lot of fun, and a rarity for amus= ement parks: no rides -- just costumed characters interacting with the gues= ts. And their MisterRogers trolley is great too. The park has some of the= friendliest and most outgoing employees I've ever encountered. Plus they've got that really weird Vekoma wild mouse... Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 31 16:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78544 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k7VN0gGW028345 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:00:42 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:00:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> References: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31C1ABEC-9A9E-4D69-A495-C9C009A5CE66@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:00:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 23:00:42.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[488FB360:01C6CD51] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WPGzDBLKUpd-f3KFcjoputoiZTbMtfSAh0rRszeTskyrMgZy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, >> which bring me to a thought, george. perhaps its time to move RCT to >> something like a more traditional message board, maybe like >> vBulletin or something like that? I agree with George that the Yahoo group is a nice forum for this list. I think that email makes people think a little more before posting, and that's why there is so little noise. If you'd rather a forum-like format, then you can read the messages directly on the yahoo group page. > We'd certainly lose some of our readers and posters who either don't > like message boards for a variety of reasons, or who can't access them > on a regular basis but can do email. Right .. I already have to check so many boards. Email as nice as it just sort of ticks away in the background and is very un-intrusive (particularly when the traffic is low). This list is so great because not only can I read almost every message, but almost every message is worth reading. I can't say that for any other board I'm part of (even outside the coaster community). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Ticket Tac Toe * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Get three in a row! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 16:05:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96424 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 22:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 22:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 22:54:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 37677 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2006 22:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060831225407.37675.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.7.32] by web53107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:54:06 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mfH0wQVhhpRSGZiu9v6bi857wO49n_5PsjhdcgLGVYw9gdaQe3pd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyone have other thoughts? < Aw heck, of course I do... > I think that every coaster has a specific purpose - that is, something it is supposed to be or do. < This IMO is a fairly recent phenomenon. Rollercoasters used to simply be another ride in the park -- usually the biggest one -- to keep guests occupied. Often it was a park's signature, simply because of its size. But in the "old days," coasters delivered a variety of forces to thrill the guests. Naturally there were "out-and-backers" and "twisters," but the rides weren't one-trick ponies. Those were simply design choices. Even the early B&M coasters offered a stable of standard maneuvers to create an interesting variety of forces. I think this "one-trick-pony" craze really began with Magnum, because the most important advertised feature of the ride was simply its height: over 200 feet. That became the sum total of its existence -- the first 200-foot coaster. The ride experience to me was fun, but not as exciting as the much tinier Blue Streak. But people flocked to it just to say they rode a 200-foot-high coaster. Rather than another ride at the park, coasters (for the big parks) became a ticket to free advertising. So there had to be a really simple hook to the ride. It had to be the biggest, fastest, steepest or whatever. But when a park orders up one of those rides, they have a finite budget. So they go to Intamin and say, "Give me a 500-foot-high coaster." And Intamin quotes them a price of $56 million, and so the park says, "What can we get for $32 million?" And another one-trick pony is born. Technology has played a part in this as well, as advances such as LIM launches became feasible. So BGT was looking for an attention-getting coaster. B&M had the unique dive coasters, and there were none in the U.S. It fit Busch's budget. And the G.P. liked it. So now BGE is getting one. I'm eager to try it out but I suspect Nate is right, because the coaster is designed as another one-trick pony. From the video I've seen, the second half of the ride looks like an excuse to get back to the station. I'm sure it will be a hit with the G.P., but as an "enthusiast" I evaluate the ride differently. That doesn't mean it's a bad ride; it just means I have particular preferences. To me, any ride that brings people to the park is a good ride. > I don't think that rides with extreme height (200+ feet) should be "forceless" either. < Sadly, I've gotten used to "forceless" coasters being built to appease insurance companies. So I could easily see a 500-foot forceless coaster being built simply to advertise the height. But I really think that a good small coaster would give them far more bang for their buck. Even a good flat ride is a smarter investment. With the gradual economic downturn we're seeing, perhaps the era of record-breakers is ending and parks will get back to building rides that are just plain fun. Jay --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 31 16:15:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83433 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k7VN8HGT022244 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:08:17 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:08:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:08:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2006 23:08:17.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[57EF22E0:01C6CD52] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ahsHfpR2-dK-yy-K8q56UbIrlzs-FytJBCtaTz9Qso-uy0q3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > A coaster that stands 400+ feet tall is obviously meant for thrill > seekers. I figured the parks are going for perceived intensity rather than actual intensity as this gives 'normal' people a reason to brag: "I'm cool because I can ride TTD all day long". It's all just marketing. > For the same reason, I think the B&M and Morgan hypercoasters are > fairly ridiculous. Raging Bull - The Hyper Coaster your Grandmother can ride! I think rides like this are OK, they have their place, but they'll never be my favorites. Heck, I'd rather ride Whizzer than Raging Bull, but I don't think Raging Bull is a bad ride, just one which doesn't appeal to me. Raging Bull sure does draw a large crowd, so in that respect it totally hits home. Compare this to say Millennium Force .. a ride which I also find pretty forceless but it's also a bad layout. But that's for another discussion. > Batman appeals to thrill seekers for several reasons, I think it's > wildly successful at that. I think that Batman appeals to non-thrill seekers too. My brother visited in 2001 and he loved Batman. He's not a coaster rider at all, but he rode Batman over and over again. Oddly enough, he was too scared to try Raging Bull. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** this chicken? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Aug 31 16:27:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54953 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2006 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 23:21:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 23:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 23:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2006 23:21:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:21:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060831225407.37675.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=2q2uHZPPfxROWBKlTCf7zckBMyijep4Viaoqz9N5wFDycI99_J1XkIZtsA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > Sadly, I've gotten used to "forceless" coasters being built to=20 appease insurance companies. So I could easily see a 500-foot=20 forceless coaster being built simply to advertise the height. But I=20 really think that a good small coaster would give them far more bang=20 for their buck. Even a good flat ride is a smarter investment.=20=20 With the gradual economic downturn we're seeing, perhaps the era of=20 record-breakers is ending and parks will get back to building rides=20 that are just plain fun. but it seems we have already seen that the past year or so. the last=20 real megacoaster was Kingda, and after the initial fanfare ive not=20 heard much about it. the new ones for this past year have been=20 mostly standard sized rides or replicated/modified versions of rides=20 that already existed, and ive not heard anything about any behemoth=20 rides for next year either.=20 personally im perfectly fine with this, if it means more dive=20 machines, flyers and Xs spread out across the country. the race for=20 the tallest or fastest seems to have been nothing but a big hassle (lots of breakdowns, etc). besides putting in a more standard=20 quality ride does go a lot farther with the general public, and god=20 knows they spend a lot more time and money overall in parks than us=20 few enthusiasts do. a quality ride for everyone is going to keep=20 people coming back a lot more than the one trick ponies will.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 09:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58558 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 16:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 16:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 16:14:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:14:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:14:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:14:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30608311231l4eb3e0bejcf0c13d87d386a13@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94_+_Tirades?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rcfeUVnnfVJPUkPpZ38CxQdgH-exuOm03OxwM3L6LqMBXcs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > Maybe I'll even consider writing up something that sort of looks like > a TR after visiting Denver area parks this weekend ;) But don't hold > your breath on that one... > Beth We can hold our breaths together, because I still haven't finished my=20 July 4th trip report to Disney. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 09:27:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70374 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 16:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 16:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 16:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:25:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:25:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:25:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44F73ABD.1010403@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vaOz1ciWupkj03nSF1fqUiu1T4P4TkfVGHS3Ig_WuKDa4bo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 George, That does sound like a fun job. But I don't know if I can handle the=20 regection ;) I'm always that persons that say "No" when asked if I want a picture=20 taken... Actually, I nearing a new stage in my life where I won't NEED to be=20 in the work-force, but will WANT to be in the work-force, and I'm=20 starting to look around at different job options, fun options -- and=20 your's sounds like another fun option. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: >SNIP > I'm a photographer with Disney's Photopass, so I'll be hanging=20 around=20 > with 12 pounds or more of camera and equipment taking pictures of=20 people=20 > with the big hat or with the characters. You can read more about=20 it here: > http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/special/specialindex? id=3DDisneyPhotoPassPage >=20 > Great program, and easily the most fun job I've ever had. Pay is=20 pretty=20 > good also. :) It's also pretty flexible as I can work in any of=20 the=20 > major 4 parks, so if I want a change of scenery it's easy enough to=20 pick=20 > up a shift at a different location on my days off. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > --=20