From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 23 16:36:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1734 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2005 23:36:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:34:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200506231634.AA178454702@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: MISC: CP pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=KO0Fwwauyoy1oqVawx4yqMp0nz2AKWBl_0mNehEgH-IPV7vJCooV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Boy do I feel behind. < LOL! You sound like me! > happy I wasn't staying at the hotel with you and all those fire >alarms. < I really wouldn't have minded except for two things: 1. The guests were the last to know what was going on. Keeping the guests comfortable and informed should be the hotel's top priority. Instead the hotel employees wandered about seemingly aimlessly, not even attempting to talk to any of us. 2. It was so bloody cold and wet. I couldn't believe it took them so long to bring us blankets as we stood there in our pajamas. And they never offered us any compensation -- no complimentary breakfast, no extended stays, no upgraded rooms, no parking passes. There was a lot they could have done to have made up for their faux pas, but they seemed to have no interest in how we felt. It must have been even worse for the people in the south end of the hotel who were forced to move into different rooms that evening. Supposedly, they didn't finish that until the wee hours. >Hope your girls have a fun summer working there. < Thanks! They really like it, and it certainly is making them more independent. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jun 23 17:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98196 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2005 17:00:06 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,225,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="282441350:sNHT25386640" Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j5O002od020625 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.101.196.82] (dhcp-chg-64-101-196-82.cisco.com [64.101.196.82]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id ARG32969; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <22F414F3-223B-4FF2-B044-14E06724F151@buzzneon.com> References: <22F414F3-223B-4FF2-B044-14E06724F151@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26B2B7E1-8829-4D99-9E88-69E31AA8271B@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Lindsay Fox buys Luna Park in Melbourne, Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=h8RYfyjlp4vLGeN8TnRIb3pgc4scoBAUgTGvlGU2E468SEXd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I know following up to ones own post is one of the most loserish things a person can do .. but.. The media in Melbourne came alive with the news of Lindsay buying the park. People were calling in to radio shows and newspapers talking about memories from their childhood, and what rides they'd love to see in the park. I suspect really great things for that park in the coming years.. If anyone is interested in some of my bad photos from Luna Park from March of this year: http://www.buzzneon.com/australia/march_2005/luna_park/ Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 23 17:20:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6653 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 00:20:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=v5aXEpCl0nxpWaZR5ZiQMuD-hFSuMJ884tljvkkpsk6n2o4VwOpq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Many of you probably heard about today's landmark ruling by the Supreme Court that essentially gives cities and towns the right to take any piece of privately-owned property and give it to whomever they want (after paying the original owners money that the city considers fair). Does anyone think this might adversly affect smaller parks that could bring far more revenue to a city as a site for condos or industry? For instance, the city of Denver could simply grab up Lakeside and give the land to a developer. I'm concerned about possible abuses of this ruling. It's not inconceivable that a shady developer could give a kickback to a corrupt city official so that prime real estate (which is usually where old parks sit) can be acquired for rock-bottom prices. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From coasterjunkie@gmail.com Fri Jun 24 06:09:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterjunkie@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79316 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.198) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:09:42 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so460930rnf for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.104.57 with SMTP id b57mr231625rnc; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.11.78 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5845b0180506240609935d13b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:09:41 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jason Bishop Reply-To: Jason Bishop Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=200207221; y=V_CroN23UEtV4w7kgw-wM7yt0urCjmeMn_uoemg_mWO3s-cE X-Yahoo-Profile: cobra1562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has been going on for a long time where I live (Kentucky). It's called eminent domain. Ultimately the land you own belongs to the city their land belongs to the state, and it all belongs to the federal government. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it because it is "theirs". Recently our government made a guy sell his farm (for less than he makes from it in a year) so that they could put in a recreational lake. And here I thought America was against communism. Just my 2 cents. Jason On 6/23/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Many of you probably heard about today's landmark ruling by the Supreme > Court that essentially gives cities and towns the right to take any piece of > privately-owned property and give it to whomever they want (after paying the > original owners money that the city considers fair). > > Does anyone think this might adversly affect smaller parks that could > bring far more revenue to a city as a site for condos or industry? For > instance, the city of Denver could simply grab up Lakeside and give the land > to a developer. > > I'm concerned about possible abuses of this ruling. It's not inconceivable > that a shady developer could give a kickback to a corrupt city official so > that prime real estate (which is usually where old parks sit) can be > acquired for rock-bottom prices. > > Jay > > > ___________________________________________________________ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- I reject your reality, and substitute my own. - Adam Savage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 06:35:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60887 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 45661 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2005 13:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050624133532.45659.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:35:32 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5845b0180506240609935d13b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=KOXgHBKZhpE4KaN8rdeQrbz-_qTznjyr3Da7IlYb0YNIBJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > This has been going on for a long time where I live > (Kentucky). It's called > eminent domain. This is a bit different, however. I am sure Bill can clarify better than myself, but from what I understand it has been common for governments to sieze private property for public use (or in some cases to sell to a private company, such as in the case of housing stock). However, this ruling basically says that private property, both housing and business, can be seized in order to bring in new private business which will provide a higher tax base. One of the interesting things about the ruling was that an area does not have to be considered blighted to be taken over for sale to private business. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Jun 24 07:12:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89738 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 14:12:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 14:11:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:11:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050624133532.45659.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.62.5.179 From: "childswilliam" Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=9jdSbFAChR8bbS_W6xuowvnEM_Uby4oGt2svd_Gvyv5BS5g7QLf27Q X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > This is a bit different, however. I am sure Bill can > clarify better than myself, but from what I understand > it has been common for governments to sieze private > property for public use (or in some cases to sell to a > private company, such as in the case of housing > stock). However, this ruling basically says that > private property, both housing and business, can be > seized in order to bring in new private business which > will provide a higher tax base. I haven't read the opinion yet, but yes, that's the main way this is different. Incidentally, eminent domain is provided for in the Constitution. The reason it's not typically considered communism is that the Constitution requires just compensation (market value). Clearly the courts sometimes get the number wrong (as it sounds like perhaps happened in your area of Kentucky), but without it, you don't have interstates, airports, and the like. Indeed, you have fewer amusement parks, since oftentimes local governments take land by eminent domain to provide access. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 11:51:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38444 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.153) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 18:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 87057 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2005 18:24:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20050624182433.87055.qmail@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:24:32 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Corkscrewing around with coaster buffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=NBsGVFE14YowR9x5mISruefkN66sZt6b978iRv8DJnsUnxs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2005/06/24/local/columns/iq_3574535.txt Mike Moore: Corkscrewing around with coaster buffs By Mike Moore To tell where Mark Davidson's allegiances lie, look at his socks. Monday morning when I met him, they were purple and orange. Anywhere else, those would put him in a category with the fashion-challenged, permanently removed from consideration for Old Navy commercials. In front of the Raging Bull ride at Six Flags Great America, they became camouflage. Yes, the New Jersey resident's socks matched the colors of the track. Coincidence? Only if you call it a coincidence when more than 400 roller-coaster junkies pile into the same park to toke up on their favorite high. This was Coaster Con XXVIII, the annual convention of the American Coaster Enthusiasts (ACE). Later, there would be the requisite business meetings that keep the group solvent so its members can corkscrew around the nation's amusement parks together. By the time I got to the park in Gurnee, Ill., a bunch of the coaster buffs had already spent two hours with a whole section of the place to themselves. With the public still at home putting on sunscreen and packing the cooler, there were no lines. Membership has its rewards. Next, they should try that at the DMV. By the time I arrived, the competitive advantage was gone. The enthusiasts had to wrestle with the general public in line. I tagged along with a few of the enthusiasts, as they refer to themselves. Steven and Charlotte Schroeder only had a few hours. They were wrapping up a coaster-centered vacation that had them drive from their home in Texas to parks in Missouri, Michigan and Indiana before this. Charlotte Schroeder caught coaster fever as a kid. Now, she explained, it doubles as stress relief. "Basically, this is my psychiatrist," she said. "I just scream my head off on coasters and, after that, I'm fine." Better than the couch, for sure. The group talked me into riding with them: first Raging Bull, then Superman, one of the newest rides. This was the biggest item on Charlotte Schroeder's checklist. Steven is a good sport. A big guy, he spent the entire trip trying to find a ride with a seat that'd take him. The Superman test chair said no. Like usual, he was stuck holding everybody's loose stuff. As the line wound underneath the ride, I pointed out the people don't really look like they're flying. Tim Baldwin, another Texan who oversees publication of the group's newsletter, said a few ACE members had discussed that. "Maybe if Superman's constipated," he said, but quickly followed up with, "It's one of the most unique riding positions you can find." They don't scare easily. Baldwin and Jeffrey Seifert could think of only one, a wooden coaster in Pennsylvania, that made them sweat. "It's completely safe, but, boy, does it have a rickety feel," Baldwin said. "But, of course, we got out of line and got right back on it." The boy's death at Disney World sprung coaster safety back into discussion. Baldwin spends more time worrying about accidents on the road than in the parks. "Because they are rare, they've been sensationalized," he said. The cause of that particular death is still up in the air, but Baldwin said often they happen when people act like "a bonehead." I expected Eberts and Roepers, coaster critics fulfilled only by the rides with enough force to tear skin from their cheekbones. There are a few purists who'll only ride the wooden ones. Overall, they're more like coaster hippies, digging all from kiddie rides on up. We stepped into the line for the Whizzer, a family ride that's run since 1976, the year Great America opened. When Steven Schroeder settled safely into his seat, we cheered. For him, the trip was complete. The couple hit the road home, and the rest converged for the big moment: Batman the Ride got a plaque naming it one of ACE's coaster landmarks. Apparently letting riders' feet wiggle underneath them was a big turning point in how coasters are made. That trumped any worries of Batman's age; at 13, it's a baby in coaster years. "It was pretty much responsible for the roller coaster renaissance in the 1990s," Mark Davidson said from a podium near the Batman entrance. He spoke over riders' screams from the black-and-yellow track. He must've found a bat cave to change in, because his socks matched it. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From filipm2@rpi.edu Fri Jun 24 22:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75624 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.18]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-542bce4ee113; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:00:30 -0500 Received: from [172.157.13.26] (AC9D0D1A.ipt.aol.com [172.157.13.26]) by smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5P50MNq012341 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:00:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:03:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.18 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=3UjuYX3fBIrUNyXL9A78Ly4C09yXOroKUWA-YkoJTSpLloAZx-6k X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I went down to Great Adventure for a couple hours after I finished work today with my friend. I have passes and the booklet thing, so I used a coupon to get him in for free. We only went on 4 or 5 rides, but heres some things of note... - Viper looks like its completely torn down. I didn't get that close to the area, was just looking from over by the Medusa area, but from what I could see it was just a rather large pile of broken up concrete, with no steel to be seen. - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the park didn't know it was down, or why. - Nitro has a tent fully installed over the main corral. They also have a DJ booth set up that has been there for a couple weeks. The DJ booth is permanent like the ones at CP, and the speakers are small EAW portable ones, but they sound really good. - Houdini's Great Escape is open. We went on it, and it still is boring, especially the pre-show... you can barely hear the guy talking. I'm not going to write a whole TR since there have already been a couple of those this year, but I'll comment on things I noticed that bother me, since thats what I do best. Before that though, it seems like a lot of the things that they did in the off season have stuck so far, which is great, and the atmosphere is a lot better from what it was 2 years ago, which was pretty much the last time I was there. But here are some things some things that could still be improved: - Food. Me and my friend stayed in the park to get dinner. We went to Grannys, where it was $12 just for me for 3 fried chicken strips, fries, and a medium sprite, and the food wasn't even that great. At least if you're going to charge that much, give us something that tastes good. If I ever went down to the park for the day, theres no way that I would stay in the park for lunch again... its easier, tastes better, and is way cheaper to go to the McDonalds down the road, and thats less money for SF - less time for us in the park, less time at the end of the day to buy souvineers, and not good in general. The food division definetely needs to be improved... bring in an outside company to do it if necessary, like Sodexho. They do a so-so job with the meal plans at my school, but the places you pay extra for are really great. And lower the prices, and renovate some of the places, especially Grannys Chicken - It felt like a High School Cafeteria in there. - Get rid of all the credit card promotion booths. People come to a park to have fun, and verbally spamming them, or reminding them of how much debt they're in isn't fun. - Get rid of all the games booths except for the ones in the Boardwalk area for now. They make the park feel cheap, and it would really open up and make some areas of the park a lot nicer. - Get rid of all the things that you pay $1 to drive a remote control car for 2 minutes, or whatever it is. They also make the park feel cheap. Or they could just be moved to the kiddie area, and improved. Like have a fire boat, and when you put the coin in it to drive it around, in a model house or something lights on fire and you have to put out the fire hose on the boat you are driving. - Clean out the water by the Runaway Mine Train again. It looked really nice on opening day from the pictures that were posten herd, but now some of the lily pads and other plants are growing back along the banks. It's not that much now, but it will be if they don't clean it out again for another 10 years. The fountains in the water there make it a lot nicer looking though... maybe some more of those too. - There are at least two smaller ponds... one by the log flume/ runaway mine train, and another by the bathrooms across from the dolphin show, by the kiddie coaster. The water in them is very dirty, and it would definitely look a lot better if it was cleaned, and maybe if some fish were added, especially to the one by the dolphin show. Right now theres a turtle or two, which is good... but they have their names written nicely on their shell, which looks bad. Non-painted on turtle shells is the way to go. - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. Also, if theres enough money, move the Parachutes attraction over by Skull Mountain and the kiddie land, and build it out over the lake. That would be a lot more scenic than a parking lot, and parents wouldn't have to walk as far with their kids to go on it. - Plant trees along the Superman fence so people in the Superman queue can't see the parking lot. I think as much effort as possible should be created to separate the world inside the park from the world outside. - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the better experience. - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice cameras). - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. - Have park map/showtime guides centers throughout the park, or more easy to find. - Have poles with labels or names on them in the parking lot for different sections. I think they used to have this, but they must've gotten taken out. The parking lot is really big, and theres a lot of cars. Need some kind of landmarks to narrow the search. I can think of more, but those are the main ones... and yet its all just the small stuff. The rides they have now are great for a days experience, there's nothing they're lacking too much of, though it wouldn't hurt to consider a dark ride for their next ride instead of a coaster. But even better, its not really adding things - its mostly taking things out or cleaning things up. I'm sure that they would lose revenue with the changes, like taking out the games and credit card promotion booths, but I think in the long run it would be the best thing to do, as it would improve the atmosphere a lot, hopefully starting to bring the family demographic back. And once that happens, the park is a lot better off - it seems that with families everywhere, there are less problems with vandalizing, graffiti, that sort of thing... the stuff thats going on at SFMM - but that would help improve the parks image, generate good press and word of mouth, and bring more people in. In general though, as much of the stuff there is that can be improved, I think the park is definitely heading in the right direction. They are doing a good job with starting to pay attention to the details and add the small touches... like placing speakers all around the park. In some areas they have themed music being played through them, mainly in the Frontierland type section... and it seems like a step towards the setup with sound IOA has. And its something small that adds a lot, and you don't really notice how much until you go to an area of the park that doesn't have the music playing in the background. There is also a lot of really good landscaping going on, like the clearing of the lake by the runaway mine train. They are also finally putting in things that should've been there from the start, like the tent on the Nitro queue. And the new coats of paint on several of the rides make them look great - Medusa should be next, as it looks pretty faded compared to the ones that just got painted. The Golden Kingdom section of the park is also really nice, and it feels more like Busch park than a Six Flags. If changes like this are going on at other SF parks, and continue, I think they are going to be in a lot better shape than they were in the past couple years, but I haven't heard much about it. Mike From CoasterDainan@aol.com Fri Jun 24 22:30:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97662 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 05:30:26 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.45.2ad61f6b (25711) for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45.2ad61f6b.2fee4547@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:27:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=BHdhHuoDo3KNg7LbeHI13IdRYePL01zX4n_lCqCq4jGgc-APAI4j X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/2005 1:00:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, filipm2@rpi.edu writes: - Houdini's Great Escape is open. We went on it, and it still is boring, especially the pre-show... you can barely hear the guy talking. Obviously you could barely here it, becuase the guy talking, is a girl. hehe. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jun 25 08:02:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8970 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 15:02:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:00:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200506250800.AA321978494@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re:Re: NEWS: Lindsay Fox buys Luna Park in Melbourne, Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=n58VFalCqwwU9lJYtmZqQFBDkmLCgsNDgBvGPnsnyH0beyJexpTG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >If anyone is interested in some of my bad photos < Don't knock yourself! Those are great photos, Cam. It really earns the Luna Park name; the park looks frozen in the 1920s. I'd really like to go there. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 09:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13006 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 16:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12900 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2005 16:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050625160201.12898.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.48.210.236] by web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:02:01 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:02:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200506231717.AA86966328@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Supreme Court and parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=ra5AwAtsXk-0qCprlF-GvcdqcC02vyIUk2B8Qb3Be2aNkBY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jay, I am concerned about it. However, I think the chance of us losing seaside parks because of buy-outs is still greater at this point. There are some places like Morey's that I don't ever think will go anywhere. However there are some sucessful parks (like SCBB) and some parks doing ok that face the issue of their park being valuable because of where they are as opposed to what they are. I am sure it is tempting for owners that are offered one massive chunk for thier park to simply take the check and run. I think where the supreme court plays into this is having places like the Jersey shore where parks could be ousted for condos or other housing. Whatever happens, it will be interesting. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 09:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14552 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.149) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 53906 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2005 16:44:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20050625164450.53904.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.48.210.236] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:44:50 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Gtct4Of73sbbFCve23In8-8MvQMQXMJH3PmSyAt9D7N5o2M X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy This would probably let you appreciate the drop a bit more. Adam Top Thrill seekers get stuck Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:59:30 AM Train stalls at top of tower for about 15 minutes with 18 aboard. http://www.pointbuzz.com/news.htm?id=644 By BRANDI BARHITE brandibarhite@sanduskyregister.com SANDUSKY - The Top Thrill Dragster lived up to its name on Friday evening when riders got stuck on top of the 42-story-high coaster. For 10-15 minutes, the coaster train sat "perfectly balanced" on the track until a Cedar Point maintenance worker took the elevator to the top and pushed the train forward over the hill, park spokesman Robin Innes said. This is the fifth time the hydraulically propelled coaster has stopped at the top of the hill since opening in 2003, and the second time it happened when riders were in the coaster, he said. No one was injured during Friday's incident, which happened around 6:20 p.m., and six of the estimated 18 riders on the coaster asked for -- and received -- another ride after returning to the ground, Innes said. The ride is typically less than 30 seconds long. Although Cedar Point warns riders of the possibility of a rollback, which is when the train fails to clear the hill and returns to the station, a train slowing down enough to balance itself on the hill is not as common. "It is all momentum," Innes said Friday. "Different conditions can affect momentum." The more wind resistance there is, the less the momentum there will be, and the more likely there will be a rollback, he said. Top Thrill Dragster shoots riders up the hill at speeds of 120 mph in four seconds. The Top Thrill Dragster continued to give rides after getting unstuck on Friday, Innes said. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Jun 25 10:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30989 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 17:01:46 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.195.41e868e6 (3956) for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <195.41e868e6.2feee7f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:01:39 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=2IqG3p4QsD-U3osqM8A4-CZHsVn1gXdIHzy2iu5w7HO2mv1O_NJP X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! I would so love for that to happen to me, but I'd want them to push me backwards, and get a re-launch! -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Sat Jun 25 11:10:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67730 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 18:10:44 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5PIAggk014093 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:10:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <195.41e868e6.2feee7f3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV5p6x4pSGBsOAZQluVibRrNDHpAwACTrAg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=TULeYEUhRCbEAumP9RHPwgi_yC_IPPjdMDPeTTKMAQF_Ty4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Heck, I'd have been trying to get the whole train to work with me to get the rollback. "Ok, everyone, thump backwards into your seat on 3..." I really honestly thought this would be nearly impossible -- I'd have thought that if the train were even a little bit off the "center point" mass-wise, it would eventually roll one way or the other. Obviously, that's not the case. Guess the top isn't a sharp enough curve :-) --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jun 26 10:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38329 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:04:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200506261004.AA484245728@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: NEWS: Unity of purpose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=XPmzCpNPgh8HPbV422VDHbRnqmqjgjmKxNzLY9oURK5QYHFWGWyF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I find this to be a really odd (and long) article that ran in today's local paper. I'm not sure what the point of it all is. But Kane doesn't seem to come off very well, especially his peculiar motto. ===== 'Operating with a unity of purpose' Mark A. Kane, Six Flags New England's new general manager, is upbeat about the park's growth plans, labor situation and safety by Dan Lamothe Sunday Republican (MA) 6/26/05 For some, taking over as the top official at a multi-million dollar attraction in a multi-national corporation would be a daunting task. For Mark A. Kane, though, it's the latest stop in a three-decade long career in the amusement park business that dates back to 1976, when he ran the "Big Mouth Cat" game at Six Flags Great Adventure as a college student in his home state of New Jersey. Kane took over as vice president and general manager of Six Flags New England in Agawam Jan. 3, inheriting a park that, although successful, has faced its share of struggles in the past year. Among those are a labor struggle, lagging finances for Six Flags Inc., the multi-national corporation that runs more than 30 parks, and the aftermath of a May 2004 accident that killed a frequent customer on the park's premier roller coaster, Superman Ride of Steel. Kane, though, is upbeat about the park's future, frequently describing his employees in glowing terms while hinting at an expansion he envisions for the park in coming years, with new thrill rides and family attractions possible. "One of the reasons I agreed to go here is because it has been designated as a growth property," he said. "Guests want something new. They want that newest, latest, greatest thing, and that's the path we're going to try and be on." Although details remain hazy, Kane, the former divisional revenue director at Six Flags Inc.'s headquarters in Dallas, said a committee will eventually be formed to decide how the park is suited to expand. "We're not going to be blinded by our long-term visions," he said. "Every guest who is here today gets the attention that they deserve." Kane joined the park less than a year after the death of Stanley J. Mordarsky, a 55-year-old Bloomfield, Conn., man who was killed after being hurled from the Superman Ride of Steel roller coaster May 1, 2004. Eventually found at fault for the accident by the Massachusetts Department of Public Safety, the park was sued by the Mordarsky family in September because of a "loss in faith in Six Flags (New England) and Intamin," according to the lawsuit filed against the park and the Switzerland-based manufacturer of the ride. Kane said Six Flags New England hasn't needed to make any philosophical changes as a result of the accident, which killed Mordarsky after his hand was severed by the coaster's wheels and he careened into a support column, falling 31 feet to the ground. "Our philosophies and strategies and approach to safety, it's always been our No. 1 priority," Kane said. "Make no doubt about it, we are a safe property." Joseph D. Farrell, a lawyer representing the Mordarsky family, confirmed the case was dismissed in U.S. District Court in New Haven, Conn., Jan 20, saying only that an out-of-court settlement "to the mutual satisfaction of all parties involved" was reached. A similar case involving a Buffalo, N.Y.-area man who survived being thrown from a roller coaster at Six Flags Darien Lake in 1999 resulted in a $4 million judgement in his favor. As Six Flags New England's top official, Kane also finds himself involved in a labor dispute which continues to boil beneath the surface at the park, according to labor advocates in the Springfield area. Jason D. Garand, a local organizer with the New England Regional Council of Carpenters, said although 12 mechanics and communication workers employed by the park went back to work after striking in February, the problems they had are still at hand. "We're still talking about issues of fairness with the workers," he said. "We're still talking about their conditions for work and their wages." Mechanics at the park earn about $13 to $15 per hour, a striking mechanic said in February. None of the park's workers belong to any union, but the strikers explored joining Garand's union. Garand said an unfair labor practice complaint has been filed against the theme park with the National Labor Relations Board, a federal department overseeing union issues and concerns. An election to decide whether the 48-person shop will join the Regional Council of Carpenters could be held in July, Garand said. Kane denied that there are still employees with labor issues working at Six Flags New England, calling the park a "very positive work environment right now." "The strike was executed by a very small percentage of our staff," Kane said. "Everyone is back to work. Things are moving along fine, and everyone is getting along fine now." Overall, the park has about 100 year-round employees. During the summer, the number of workers balloons to 2,500. Kane also is not fazed by financial reports detailing losses for the Six Flags corporation over the past four financial quarters, noting that the fiscal performance of Six Flags New England has been stable for the last several years. "We actually had a really good October here last year," Kane said, noting that the popularity of Fright Fest, the park's Halloween-themed attraction, has increased attendance for what traditionally had been one of the park's slowest months. "It's turned October into a peak time of year without eroding (attendance) for the business because it's uniquely different," Kane said. Kane said his motto, "You get what you expect, or you get what you accept," is a good fit for the park as it continues to move forward with plans to improve the experience guests in the park have. "The expectations here are currently very high at this park, and I think our guests will see a very definitive commitment to excellence here," he said. "We're operating with a unity of purpose at this park right now." ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jun 26 10:27:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80260 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:27:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:24:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200506261024.AA319946820@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=-JlSmyNqBit0QeYy6tNyicRjntBqOXkxQ1WMK7T02IdDSEw8Gef7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Train stalls at top of tower for about 15 minutes < Well the ride's just too quick anyway. I think this should be worked in as part of the coaster's experience. Just like on the B&M vertical drop coasters, a brake should be added to the peak of TTD and grab the train just as it crests the hill. The riders could then have time to absorb just how ridiculously high off the ground they are before being dropped straight down. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Jun 26 10:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93356 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 17:38:37 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5QHcagk000799 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:38:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV6dISjSbqpKiS4R8+9pJtUmlGzewAARuXA In-Reply-To: <200506261024.AA319946820@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=UndsqQCFgFXKznAr34k_YHs_DWfoIHY3pSvZBRTn1PbDzd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Jay Ducharme noted: > Well the ride's just too quick anyway. I think this should > be worked in as part of the coaster's experience. Just like > on the B&M vertical drop coasters, a brake should be added to > the peak of TTD and grab the train just as it crests the > hill. The riders could then have time to absorb just how > ridiculously high off the ground they are before being > dropped straight down. I dunno, the airtime THAT high up is kind of cool, too. The holding brake on the B&M's is cool for the first drop (only drop on Oblivion ;) ), but I find it kind of kills the pacing on Sheikra on the second vertical drop. For Sheikra I'd rather have the hold on the first vertical drop, but let the second flow on through... Hell of a ride, though. --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 12:16:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94298 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DmccO-0002D3-Jd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:16:36 -0400 Message-ID: <42BEFF1E.8050507@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:16:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> In-Reply-To: <200506261738.j5QHcagk000799@atlas.jtan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784a0a1c3cc142586a678120a626311be6ec2d35696fadff2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6g65-g6wi8j0KUAFmfPkQ06DH0st6wQ0e72lwA1pCFAEMmk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Greg Legowski wrote: > The holding brake on the B&M's is cool for the first drop (only drop on > Oblivion ;) ), but I find it kind of kills the pacing on Sheikra on the > second vertical drop. For Sheikra I'd rather have the hold on the first > vertical drop, but let the second flow on through... > But Greg, that's what it does do. There is only a hold on the first drop, not on the second. However, the second drop is right after the magnetic midcourse brake, so if they are running all 5 of the trains, it will slow down to the point that it might feel like a pause. But when they're running 3 trains and the computer lets it, you'll absolutely roll through on the second drop. Honestly, of the two dozen or so rides I've had on Sheikra, I can count on one hand the number of them that haven't rolled through on the second drop, and one of those we actually sat on the midcourse for about 10 minutes. Normally though you should continue to roll, even if the speed does vary a bit depending on how much the brakes decide to slow you down on that particular run. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jun 26 16:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30329 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 23:19:00 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F30A9A7B for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:18:27 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> References: <200506251810.j5PIAggk014093@atlas.jtan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DAD9362-A3AD-47ED-AB05-ADCFA2FBA22E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:18:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DjmvDous0ZV8kAgtc42qlXiV_ZW7Z35w_odT8bWXtqEZBB7a X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > I really honestly thought this would be nearly impossible -- I'd have > thought that if the train were even a little bit off the "center > point" > mass-wise, it would eventually roll one way or the other. > Obviously, that's > not the case. Guess the top isn't a sharp enough curve :-) Goes to show just how much friction there must be between the train and the track .. that center 'point' is probably a range of several inches. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Oh no, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Not again. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Jun 26 17:14:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46060 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 00:14:01 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5R0E0gk020570 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200506270014.j5R0E0gk020570@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:14:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcV6hCXl42ywgoDaTx+BTXR8TCPTSgAKM3zQ In-Reply-To: <42BEFF1E.8050507@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Thrill seekers get stuck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=jnRmkyZOuuLqNPg0Pie4mqlb9VSGyFpYlOUBFTv55IEcCk4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 George wrote: > But Greg, that's what it does do. There is only a hold on the first > drop, not on the second. However, the second drop is right after the > magnetic midcourse brake, so if they are running all 5 of the > trains, it > will slow down to the point that it might feel like a pause. > But when > they're running 3 trains and the computer lets it, you'll absolutely > roll through on the second drop. Interesting. The day I was there, they were definitely running 5 trains, and Derek and I were both POSITIVE there was a holding brake at the top of the second vertical. I guess I'm going to have to try to get back in the off-season now :-) --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 20:09:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4488 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 03:09:39 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dmk0A-0000pQ-2W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:09:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784a0a1c3cc142586a6512e99a60cf16d99b2db1c9cba0aec0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3Z0Y9qZ2zUuaIvf55jiFMVxr8YNku3eeZECQlbO5gfd6i7E X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I haven't been to the park, so can't comment on some of the park specific things, but did want to add in my 2 cents on some. Some very interesting thoughts you've put out- including several that seem like rather obvious ideas... Mike Filippone wrote: \ > - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside > the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the > park didn't know it was down, or why. The employees didn't know it was down? Are they really that stupid? With the major breakdown that it had, everyone in that park should be aware, and that it's not going to be open for several weeks at least. While they might not know why it's closed, or for how long, at the least they should know that it's closed and going to be for a while. > - Food. Sadly, your comments there would pretty much fit just about every Six Flags park out there. I don't know what the deal is with the lousy food in the chain, not to mention the high prices, but it would be nice to get some good food at the parks without having to leave. > > - Get rid of all the credit card promotion booths. No disagreement there. > - Get rid of all the games booths except for the ones in the > Boardwalk area for now. They make the park feel cheap, and it would > really open up and make some areas of the park a lot nicer. I don't know how it's set up at the park there, but at the parks I've been having several gaming areas is pretty much a norm, and they do tend to be pretty popular and good money makers. Otherwise you wouldn't see so many. But they can be done in a fashion that looks decent and not a bunch of junk. SFMM used to be nicely done in this regard. Now it's overdone and looks lousy. > - Get rid of all the things that you pay $1 to drive a remote control > car for 2 minutes, or whatever it is. I don't know how many they have, but as a parent, these silly things are a huge hit with the kids. But yeah, most of the ones I've seen don't look real good. I've always thought they could be made to look a lot nicer than they do. > Right now theres a turtle or two, which is good... but > they have their names written nicely on their shell, which looks > bad. Non-painted on turtle shells is the way to go. They wrote the names of the turtles on their shells? How lame can you be? > > - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. Duh. Wonder if that's new graffiti from this year or just lack of clean-up. > > - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot > ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. Personal preference on that one, and one that you probably won't find to many allies on. Upcharges are usually popular, and make money. And since when did most parks care how a ride contributes to the scenery. The thrillshots I've seen didn't look bad anyways. > > - Plant trees along the Superman fence so people in the Superman > queue can't see the parking lot. I think as much effort as possible > should be created to separate the world inside the park from the > world outside. Hehe, welcome to Six Flags- where theming doesn't matter and they're certainly NOT trying to keep the outside world out. That's a Disney and Universal thing (and to a lesser extent Busch) Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and Paramount really don't care that much about it. > > - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit > for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same > experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the > better experience. here's one where I'll not only disagree with you, but fairly strongly. If the people are willing to pay for the upcharge queueing system, let them. QueBot especially is done in such a way that it really doesn't add onto the regular lines and the couple of times I've used it, it's been a lifesaver in the park. I'm a huge Quebot fan, and won't hesitate to get it at a park that is looking busy. And my using it isn't going to make you wait any longer since there aren't that many people getting into Q-bot queues, at least not at the parks I've used them in. Now fastpass and some of the other systems, particularly the free ones, then I can agree with the beefs a lot more. :) > > - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking > pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take > money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at > least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 > Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice > cameras). Ahh, have to disagree with you again. For a regular park visitor, or someone not interested, just say no thanks and walk past. But for many vacationers and the like, those photos are a fantastic idea and a great souvenier. And why on earth spend so much money on a camera when it's not going to make a bit of difference in the quality of the photos that are going to be printed out. Especially not with the equipment and materials they're using. I can see not liking to dodge the photographers, but otherwise can't really agree on that one. > > - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the > rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I > overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with > only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to > work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were > pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. Leftover employees? Where did you find those at? OH, you mean from the pictures, qbot, and upcharges, which all more than pay for the employees working them? Take it from a guy working in a park, and with friends working in several- there are very rarely "extra" employees around. Oh, and 10-14 hour days are very much a norm during the busy summer season at a park. You expect it. If you don't like it, don't work at a park. I've had no problems at all with 12 hour days and getting one lunch (which, btw, is all you're required to have, and which you don't get paid for- hence why people don't want more than one lunch) and then a 15 every 2 hours or so. For the most part, it's not hard work. It's just the time on your feet in the heat. Long as you keep drinking water, you shouldn't have a problem. Seriously, those complaining about the long hours and hard work don't really have a clue what hard work is. I've had several jobs that were for more difficult, strenuous, and exhausting than working at the park is. > > - Have park map/showtime guides centers throughout the park, or more > easy to find. Can't comment about that specific park, but most parks will have them available in most of the shops and/or posted in various areas around the park. It's rare to have a park only have them posted in one place. Heck, even SFMM doesn't do that. :P > > - Have poles with labels or names on them in the parking lot for > different sections. I think they used to have this, but they must've > gotten taken out. The parking lot is really big, and theres a lot of > cars. Need some kind of landmarks to narrow the search. They don't have any markers in the parking lot? You have to be kidding. Yeah, that's one I would actually complain at guest services about, but that's a pretty obvious one. Someone missed the boat there. Thanks for the thoughts, comments, and sort of TR X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76527 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com (smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com [64.12.118.81]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-242bfbd5e192; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:48:30 -0500 Received: from [172.166.140.149] (ACA68C95.ipt.aol.com [172.166.140.149]) by smtp-mtc02.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5R8mPDu024848 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:48:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> References: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> <42BF6DFC.7090205@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:52:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.81 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=8JC6qLkEY23W4Q4nbkbJs7Va6RHI82qNz6DaR-YOtPLq-ya5vS7L X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> - Kingda Ka is still down, but I didn't really see any signs outside >> the park for it, and it seemed like a lot of the people inside the >> park didn't know it was down, or why. > > The employees didn't know it was down? Are they really that stupid? I was actually talking about the regular guests in the park... the wording was a little ambiguous on that. >> - Get rid of the graffiti on the Medusa queue. >> > > Duh. Wonder if that's new graffiti from this year or just lack of > clean-up. It wasn't too bad, and looks like it was there for a while. It's only really on one or two wood poles that support a shelter for the queue while the track passes overhead, and it probably stands out a lot more because that's the only place I saw anything like that in the park. >> - Get rid of the upcharge attractions, especially the S&S Thrillshot >> ride. The three poles make that side of the park look messy. >> > > Personal preference on that one, and one that you probably won't > find to > many allies on. Upcharges are usually popular, and make money. And > since when did most parks care how a ride contributes to the scenery. > The thrillshots I've seen didn't look bad anyways. Small things, like Go Karts and Laser Tag (which unfortunately they removed for a lame arcade) don't really bother me since they aren't really as visible. But the big rides, like Sky Coasters, Thrill Shots, and them, I don't like that much since they dominate the skyline more. And then, because of that, the people you're with start saying, "Wow, that ride looks really cool." Then you tell them that they have to pay extra for it, and it kills it. SF did a pretty nice job landscaping the base of the Thrillshot, but from the other side of the park, it just clutters things up. Of course this is being really nitpicky. But from the ferris wheel, looking over there, there is the Skycoaster, GASM, Thrillshot, Parachutes, and then Kingda Ka, which is farther away than all of them. Kingda Ka, the ride the focus should be on now, has all of these semi-tall things in front of it, so it doesn't really look that tall. And two of them don't need to be there. I can be completely wrong, but long term, to me it doesn't seem like the upcharges can't be making that much money, at least to the point where it significantly affects the bottom line. And people in my area aren't saying, "Hey, I should go to Great Adventure... to go on the Thirllshot". >> - Get rid of the Queuebot system. There shouldn't be a premium visit >> for the rides... it should be one price for everyone gives the same >> experience, not people that are willing to spend more money get the >> better experience. >> > > here's one where I'll not only disagree with you, but fairly strongly. > If the people are willing to pay for the upcharge queueing system, let > them. QueBot especially is done in such a way that it really doesn't > add onto the regular lines and the couple of times I've used it, it's > been a lifesaver in the park. My opinion on this one is that the negative views of the system by the people who don't use it outweigh the positive views of the people that do. Thats pretty much it... not because I don't think there are advantages. I don't think its good to have a guest waiting on line saying, "Hey, how come I just stood here for an hour and they got on after 5 minutes? Oh yeah, becuase they paid more than me." The more people that remember money is the bottom line, the worse it is for the park in the long run IMO. Besides, for the regular people, it sort of kills the anticipation of the ride, since it takes the focus off the ride and puts it on the people getting on without waiting. And for the few people who get stuck on rides and get a front of the line pass as compensation, its not as good. >> - Get rid of the people with cameras at the front gate taking >> pictures of you as you walk in. It seems like another way to take >> money from you, which it is. Or if you have to have them there, at >> least give them professional $2000 Digital EOS cameras, not $400 >> Canon Powershots that you can get at Target (even though they're nice >> cameras). >> > > Ahh, have to disagree with you again. For a regular park visitor, or > someone not interested, just say no thanks and walk past. But for > many > vacationers and the like, those photos are a fantastic idea and a > great > souvenier. To me its just one more thing before you get into the park. You just shell out $50 a person to get in, then go through the ticket booths and metal detectors, have to empty everything out of your pockets, and then theres 20 employees milling around with mid-range consumer cameras wanting to snap your picture. My main problem is that it's something that can easily be duplicated by an ordinary person. I wouldn't mind at all if they did it more like Hershey, where they have photo booths around the park, that have scenes that are nice and from around Hershey (like a Chocolate Kiss streetlight with a cartoon amusement park in the background, or a reeses coaster car with cartoon coaster in the background). That way, people who want it can go out of the way for it, and people who don't can look it and keep walking by (and I've gotten one or two keychains from those booths). And since the setting is a lot more unique, anyone regular person with a Powershot 400 can't get the same shot. >> - With all these leftover employees, give the people working the >> rides more breaks, or not as huge shifts. It's not good when I >> overhear employees talking about how they're working 9am-11pm with >> only a 30 minute break. That way they have a better time and want to >> work there other than to just make money. But the ride-ops were >> pretty good today, not the fastest, but talked a lot to the crowd. >> > > Leftover employees? Where did you find those at? OH, you mean > from the > pictures, qbot, and upcharges, which all more than pay for the > employees > working them? Take it from a guy working in a park, and with friends > working in several- there are very rarely "extra" employees > around. Oh, > and 10-14 hour days are very much a norm during the busy summer season > at a park. You expect it. If you don't like it, don't work at a > park. This may just be me, but I could never work for 12 hours a day for 5 or 6 days a week and not look or feel drained by the end of the day. But with all the people that wouldn't be working games, pictures, upcharges... put them on smaller rides that aren't open (that I'm assuming is because of lack of employees to operate them). Or put more people on the bigger rides to help the crew increase the throughput on them. That way more people in the park benefit, and hopefully some of the people that weren't spending money will start because they're having a good time. And these people didn't sound like they were getting that many short breaks, and some looked a little drained, which then makes me start to remember how drained I am, and have less of a good time. On a side note, I've never worked at a park, so I'm not sure what its like. But right now the two summer/part time jobs I have are office help/web design work, and another is sound tech-ing... I also do a lot of film stuff, but haven't made money off that, its more for fun. But the companies and environment that I work in for both is really good, and from the outside it doesn't seem like the parks do that as much. I think parks should really go out of their way to make sure they're employees are having a good time, since it seems like they're not having the easiest time bringing in the amount of seasonal workers that they need to run the park. And if the people are having a good time, they're more likely to convince their friends to also work there. I'm not sure what the retention rate is for the people working the following year, so it could be pretty high for all I know. But I would think it would be more like 20% or lower, which isn't that great IMO. But like I said, I think the park is definitely on the right track... there is more improvement going on and attention to the smaller things, intsead of just adding a new ride and let everything else deteriorate like they had been doing since they were sold to Premier. If my biggest complaints are writing on a turtles back and people taking your pictures as you walk in, thats not too bad. Mike From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 07:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84809 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.157) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 95331 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2005 14:13:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20050627141322.95329.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:13:22 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:13:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Kid city- Whatever they wanna be at Wannado X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=kwg-yJclf9cAju4e1uHVV72oGnIuAGFZBPf--NuEw-6Qv0c X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050626/ENT21/506260379/1075 Kid city Whatever they wanna be at Wannado By Chris Wadsworth cwadsworth@news-press.com Published by news-press.com on June 26, 2005 Imagine every amusement park you’ve ever taken your kids to and then wipe those images from your mind. Wannado City in Fort Lauderdale is different from anything you or your wee ones have ever seen. Unlike a theme park filled with thrilling, far-out rides and fantastic cartoon characters, Wannado City is all about real life — but on a pint-sized, kid-friendly scale. It’s a $40 million miniature city where children can try their hands at being firefighters, doctors or beauticians. They can fly planes, spin records at a radio station and perform in a circus. They can play runway model, paramedic and even newspaper reporter. Trust me, it will blow their minds. Last month, my wife and I took our two older boys — Ryan, 5, and Adam, 4 — to Wannado City at the famous Sawgrass Mills outlet mall. The entrance fee is a bit steep — $29.95 for kids and $15.95 for those 14 and older. (The discrepancy is because this is a place exclusively for the young. Grown-ups pretty much pay to walk around and enjoy the fun vicariously.) Once you get past the ticket booth, you walk into a child's fantasy world — an entire indoor city spread out over an area equal to three football fields. Cobblestoned streets disappear around corners, all lined with tiny buildings. Kids rush about everywhere, squealing with delight. Some are wearing police uniforms and investigating a "break-in" at a shop. Others come zipping by in a miniature ambulance on their way to an "accident" scene. Look in one window and you see children playing dentist, examining the teeth in a dummy's gaping mouth while a grown-up "hygienist" helps out. Look in another window and you see a row of kids wearing chef's hats, preparing their own pizzas. Our first stop, after we recovered from the initial awe, was the bank. Ryan and Adam dutifully approached a teller and handed over the "checks" they had received upon entering. In return, they received a handful of the local currency — called wongas. They also received real, working ATM cards that they could use at wonga cash machines around the city. From there, we headed out onto the streets of Wannado City. We explored block after block of shops and businesses where kids can do what they "wanna do." Our first stop was the fully stocked Publix, where kids are given shopping lists (including pictures for pre-readers) and then let loose. Ryan and Adam pushed tiny shopping carts around, raising their hands in triumph each time they found an item on their list. When the cart was full, they headed to checkout, where other children manned the register and bagged the groceries. Kids are also paid wongas for the work they do. Outside the store, parents were relegated to a bench where we could watch the young'uns through the window. That's where we met Darren and Gloria Bowls of Battle Ground, Wash. They were watching daughters Kabrina, 6, and Macy, 4. "They always see Mommy shopping at the grocery store ... and they want to be like Mom. Well, right now, they are Mommy," said Gloria Bowls. "This gives them a chance to live out what they really want to be." The Bowls say there is something about children getting to do "grown up" things that really seems to capture the imagination, even more than the fantasy worlds created at other Florida parks. "Of everything they wanted to do when they came to Florida, they wanted to come do this," said Darren Bowls. "They didn't even want to go to Disney World." Some parents might worry that in all the hustle and bustle, kids could get lost. Wannado has this covered. Every family member who enters the city is given a wristband with a tiny transponder on it. At any time, you can walk up to multiple kiosks scattered around the city, press your wristband to it, and up pops a map that shows where you are and where your friends and family members are. You can even see where they're going, as you watch their little "dots" move around the screen. Reassuringly, children can't leave the property unless they're accompanied by the adults with whom they arrived. During the next few hours, Ryan and Adam trained as firefighters, rode an ambulance, helped carry a patient into the hospital operating room and decorated cookies at a bakery. We stopped at the "fair" where the boys rode on a train, a merry-go-round and a swinging ship. We also made several trips back to the Publix, which seemed to have bewitched my boys. The attention to detail in the park is stunning. Manhole covers are engraved with "City of Wannado." There are trees, benches, working stop-and-go lights and wrought-iron streetlights. There are bus stops and a little city bus making a circular route, perfect for kids and parents too tired to walk another step. There are several restaurants, with adult workers serving real food to hungry families. We sampled the cheese pizza, the waffle fries and the chicken fingers. (Actually, I should say I sampled them. The boys were far too excited to be bothered with something as trivial as food.) After lunch, Ryan headed to the police station. Here, he and the other cadets were issued jackets, hats and walkie-talkies. I knocked on the window and waved at Ryan. He gave me a sheepish look, shrugged his shoulders and rolled his eyes at the boy sitting next to him. There it was, ladies and gentlemen — I had officially mortified my son in public for the first time. My little officer spent some time in a "training room" learning about detective work and then he and his new pal, Rande, 6, were released onto the streets to hunt down bad guys and bring them to justice (in this case, a jail with rubber bars and a "real" courtroom with a judge and jury). As this new dynamic duo disappeared around a corner, we met Rande's mother, Randi Hoffman (yes — their names sound the same, and no — I didn't ask why). "He just loves it here," said Hoffman, who lives with her son in nearby Pembroke Pines. "He can't get enough of it. The mine, the fire station, the police station. The only thing is you can't come on a weekend. The lines are insane." (We were there on a Monday and the place was still plenty crowded.) While Ryan and Rande went off on patrol, Adam went to fly a plane. Upstairs, there's a nearly full-size mock-up of a Spirit Airlines jet. (Everything in Wannado City seems to be sponsored by some real-life company or another.) A "flight attendant" helped Adam into a seat where he faced a large control panel, steering wheel and three big, wrap-around screens. Like a giant video game, Adam took the plane through a pre-flight checklist, then rumbled down the runway and into the sky. The computer doesn't let you crash, which is a good thing, since Adam was pushing and pulling on the controls like a madman. While some cities may never sleep, that's not the case at Wannado City. As the afternoon wound down, the crowds thinned out. It was all we could do to pry the police walkie-talkie from Ryan's hand, but eventually, he gave up. The real grown-up world was intruding on his play grown-up world once again. As we left, the boys babbled nonstop, comparing notes on their favorite "jobs" during the day, on the "coolest" things they had seen and done. (This went on for several days.) Meanwhile, my wife and I realized that — despite spending hours at Wannado City — we had barely scratched the surface of all the things the boys would "wanna do" there. In other words, we will be back. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jun 28 16:36:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43391 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 23:36:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:36:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200506281636.AA619446456@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Working in a park (was TR (sort of)) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=vDoI-naLCybEPC-rZt27ihb8ISEfG4d020rn9_f8HyQ4F3Po9lJN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > On a side note, I've never worked at a park, so I'm not sure what its like. < Like any job, it had its ups and downs. I worked at parks for a good chunk of my life. I love the amusement business, so that was a plus. But when I was on my feet all day in the blazing sun in 100-degree temperatures with 80 percent humidity, the novelty wore off really quickly. There were so many times when I just wanted to whack a guest upside the head for being so stupid. (And I saw a *lot* of really dumb things!) But I had to keep remembering that they were paying to be stupid, to basically be taken care of and have a good time. My job was to make sure they had fun and stayed safe. By the end of each day, I would be totally spent. And the next day I was willing to do it all over again. There was nothing glamorous about the job. Running the rollercoasters and Ferris wheels was fun because there was so much to do the day flew by quickly. Running kiddie rides was sometimes like a death sentence. Being a break man was fun, but I never got to settle in to a ride for very long. Possibly the most boring job I've ever had was as the attendant at the bottom of the Mountain Park Skyride. It was twelve hours a day of bugs and silence. (And there were workers who would battle to get assigned there!) It seemed more like a punishment. IMO, the best ride was Mountain Park's carousel. It wasn't too physically strenuous and I was free to roam about the huge building while operating it. I was always busy with something, checking the gates, changing lightbulbs, sweeping up, fixing stirrups. All of our kids have worked in various departments at amusement parks, and they've enjoyed it too. It sure beats a lot of other options out there. Unfortunately, in New England it's strictly seasonal. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Jun 29 08:39:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41772 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 15:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 15:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 15:39:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 15:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2005 15:38:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:38:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.86.164 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=gozASSGT-p5e_vh25UPEQ0KYp0DcUZuR2qN3W-ZmvEYQAM0c X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 From Jay: There were so many times when I just wanted to whack a guest upside the head for being so stupid. (And I saw a *lot* of really dumb things!) But I had to keep remembering that they were paying to be stupid, to basically be taken care of and have a good time. This post reminds me of some of the blog entries from Paula Werne at Holiday World. Questions (actually asked by guests) such as "Do you all have any water rides where you don't get wet?" and comments such as, "These park maps [the hand-held ones, not the big permanent signs] would be a lot easier to read if they had one of those little 'You are Here' arrows." That said, I have a question for some of our members who are also park employees: What is the ONE thing (or perhaps couple of things) that you wish you could tell every guest to remember, which would make your job a whole heck of a lot easier? Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who has only 23 days of bachelorhood remaining! From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 10:07:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91739 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dng2G-0001oN-85 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:07:40 -0400 Message-ID: <42C2D55B.5030307@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:07:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782d1025dbe3a34818cec3dac135056283c1d0d115f044f336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=AOIsSGI_brGKXS7iWHLPv8VXB8244IBpcUvrOPQWetEm5vg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zerkel wrote: > That said, I have a question for some of our members who are also park > employees: What is the ONE thing (or perhaps couple of things) that > you wish you could tell every guest to remember, which would make your > job a whole heck of a lot easier? Hmm, lots to choose from. Probably "please dispose of your cigarette butts in the right place (not just throwing it on the ground)" or to read their map which has all the showtimes and info on it. Otherwise I really haven't had any real problems there. But then it's only been a month and a half so far... :) > Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a > post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, > typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. > Not sure how much detail I can get into in some aspects of the job because of non-disclosures, and since I work on Rhino Rally, my procedures are quite a bit different than other rides are. Our ride vehicles are full fledged Land Rovers and we really drive them- no tracks or automation involved. There are several places to work on Rhino Rally- height stick (greeting people, making sure the kids are tall enough to ride, answering questions, e.g. "yes, the wait really is that long.", and otherwise standing around looking for anything unusual. Load tries to pick out a "navigator" to sit up front with the driver, help people board, open/close the safety gates, check seat belts, and when everyone is secured, clears the land rover to be dispatched. Unload helps the people off the land rover and looks for items left behind. The most fun spot, at least for me, is driving. You drive the Land Rover around the course while giving a spiel to the guests that includes, but is not limited to, various facts about the animals that they're seeing, ride storyline, general info, and hopefully a good number of laughs. Depending on circumstances, you may end up "lost" and on a bridge that breaks away and floats you down a river, which involves more spieling. The better the storytelling and personality in the driver, the better the ride. For Rhino Rally, the driver can completely make or break the ride. I liken it to Jungle Cruise on land. Mornings include cleaning the grounds (hosing, blowing, etc), picking up the land rovers after maintanace has cleared them for the day, and various duties like that. Closing, after all the guests have riden, we buckle up all the seatbelts, empty the garbage cans, drive the Rovers back to their parking places, and then head out for the evening. Work shifts usually range from 8-13 hours, with one lunch period (about 35 minutes long) and a 15 minute break every two hours or so, or, if you're driving you usually get a 15 after 5 trips. And you drink lots of water since you're out in the heat, humidity, and storms. We're also the only place in BGT where we're allowed to wear sunglasses while working since we have to drive. If you want to know more, feel free to ask. The more specific the better, and if it's not pushing the NDA, I'll be happy to answer as well as I can. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 17:34:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5136 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:33:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.48.210.236 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Flatride photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=JOFewUO4tf4aTW2ipwqR1l5c0f-YIxsdzsq3iLm1_d4GNLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I have had several people send me pics for flatrides.com. Unfortunately I am having a ton of problems with the internet connection at home, so those won't be up for a while. Thanks for all of the RCT'ers that have donated photos recently and over the years. Adam From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jun 29 17:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9816 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.7b.483c3922 (18555) for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.483c3922.2ff4998c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:40:44 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Flatride photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=FosR2KzgAIb-eCinfpcJpR_CCr0lumypjRsdAzLSyRc6MO6yzyHN X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your welcome Adam, good luck with the conection. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jun 29 18:43:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23102 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:43:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.103.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Mountain Flyer Blueprint X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=jzKrdOaqP9gKBCTJpZzuVU4ZXH8xSd8sL7bVChJOlqlcdVWmGJVv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Howdy all. I've just posted a piece some of you might find interesting about an old rumor regarding the construction of the Mountain Flyer. > http://www.karenandjay.com/mtpark/mpblog/flyerprint.html < Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jun 30 12:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33669 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2005 19:30:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:30:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.102.118 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: working at parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=8L-L4yWXBk8F4oeAMf1oBu_ua1SvLa3Tt7SgvrYYTJJJ6YXZ9_i8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Also, George or Jay (or someone else who works at a park), how about a post that tells us a little bit about your duties, responsibilities, typical day working at a park. That would make a great read. < This might fit the bill. Check out a new blog I just posted: > http://www.karenandjay.com/mtpark/mpblog/bigeli.html < Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 22:09:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70080 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2005 05:09:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2005 05:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2005 05:08:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 05:08:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 10236 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Nasu Highland Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tyRJ5PrVcFSqiN8lmUr7m89tJdHboZE6-ije6Ih4cKSy_HuY6A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Date: Saturday, 25 June 2005 Park: Nasu Highland Park (Fantasy Pointe?) Weather: Upper 80`s, humid and overcast, scattered showers I took the Keikyu line to Shinagawa, transferred to the Yamanote line for Tokyo Station, then boarded a Tohoku line Shinkansen for NasuShiobara, transferred again to the Tohoku JR line one station and changed to a bus for the park. Total transport, round-trip was about $130. Entry and free pass was 4900 yen ($45) I had many issues this day from lost train tickets, forgotten change, left my CC at home, etc. I missed the bus I wanted, causing me to arrive back home almost two hours later than I had planned. I was pretty stressed and I almost gave up on this trip, but I'm now less than five coasters from hitting #400, so I forged on. Here is my thoughts on the park and coasters, minus my headaches. A huge "domo arigato gozaimasu" goes to the park manager who helped me shortly after I arrived at the park. I arrived at Nasu Highland about 11:15, and proceeded to the Dragon, a small trailer-mounted powered-coaster, but I don't think that it is an actual Go Gator, so I took a spin. Two round trips, basic helical course, but surprisingly quick. Next up, I climbed up to Panic Drive's elevated station. Neon pink and mint green, with blue and yellow antique car trains, this custom mouse is a Meisho creation. The four passenger cars roll out of the station, dropping slightly and curving around 180 degrees to the left on it's way to the lift. From the top the train drops through another left turn and rises up into two standard switchbacks before dropping again. The car rises for one switchback, followed by two 225 degree turns. After dropping slightly and rising again, the train hit's the breaks before a final 180 degree left turn into the station. There was one trim brake that engaged when I rode with two other adults, but allowed an unchecked ride when I rode alone. Not particularly thrilling, and without even the slightest pop of air, the saving grace of this mouse was that it wasn't a cookie cutter coaster. After Panic Drive, I checked out the LEGO display nearby. The best part was a showing of the CG animated short; LEGO Star Wars: Revenge of the Brick. This 5 minute, zero dialogue film has appearances by most of the cool characters in ep. III, but no boring bits. It is hysterical at times, and was a highlight of my day. The website shown was treehouseanimation.com, maybe it's available for viewing online. Also in this area were a miniature railroad and flying Dumbo-like ride. Next up I hit a curry / pasta buffet (1600 yen) that didn't do anything special for me before heading across the stream that cuts through the park and hitting F2: Fright Flight. This Vekoma SLC wasn't too rough, but I did ride defensively, just in case. With a fresh coat of paint in purple and aqua, with yellow and pink in the station, this was the best looking SLC I have ever seen. (I think this was about my 12th one!) Two trains, the orange and black one operating, and the yellow and black in the barn Also in this area were: River Adventure, (rapids ride, but closed) Top Gun, (Top Spin) Salsa, (Rok n Rol, mentioned recently on this board) a 50 meter Ferris wheel an Enterprise, a walk-through called "Hell Ship" a 3D theatre and Go Karts on a very slick tri- oval. Next I worked my way down to Batflyer, which I believe is the only operating Caripro suspended coaster left. Up to two riders sit on wide bicycle seats, with a seat belt and a cage around your lower body, the position wasn't particularly comfortable. You roll forward about 4 feet before slamming into the stop on the elevator-lift. Ouch! At the top of the lift you roll forward again, and swoop around a large diameter curve picking up a surprising amount of speed before hitting a trim brake, Ouch again! Curving around again towards the station, you hit another trim (Ouch!) before stopping in the station. In all it is over in about 40 seconds, and although it was an interesting concept, the application left a lot to be desired, IMO. BF also had a fresh coat of paint, purple track with black supports. Continuing down the slope, I passed under a giant jukebox and through a 50's themed area complete with vintage autos, diners etc. Next I passed into Coaster Plaza, the location of the park's final four operating coasters and the SBNO Lightning Coaster. (It really looks like a Schwartzkopf, but RCDB lists it as built by Meisho, but designed by Anton. First I hit Thunder Coaster, (Lightning's brother?) another Meisho coaster, also with a fresh coat of paint, lime green with white supports. The cars had a cool black and green jagged paint job. Lightning isn't as rough as either an Arrow or Vekoma corkscrew, but there isn't much to it besides the two screws. One odd feature is a trim brake on the first drop! Next I hit the large red with white supports Camel Coaster. (I don`t get the name either) The lift heads towards the 50's area before turning at the top and behind LC and Big Boom to run it's out and back / double figure-eight path. With ramp like drops and hills, there wasn't much air at either end of the train, but the pacing was great, picking up speed almost all the way to the end. The transitions were a little abrupt, but in the back you can see them coming and prepare yourself. Not amazing by any means, but certainly enjoyable. Yet another Meisho this was the only one that didn`t get new paint yet. Next up was Big Boom, Meisho again, in blue and white, and a train that looks at least 50 years old! The lift hill is by far the slowest I've ever experienced making even Leap the Dips seem fast! One minute and twenty seconds after engaging the chain, creeping up the hill, grade changing slightly throughout the first third of the hill, eventually you do actually crest the hill and coast slowly around a high turn around before dropping at between 75 and 80 degrees! In the front you float down the drop. In the back, you are pinned to the OTSR's for a full 4 seconds of what felt to be about -2 G's. BIG DIFFERENCE! At the bottom of the first drop you are pressed into the seat as you rapidly turn from falling to rising. In the front, there is a bit of air as you crest this hill, but it is over quickly before you drop down into the single vertical loop. After the loop, you rise up into the turn back towards the station. Up here you hit a trim before the drop, during the drop, and two more before the station. The last coaster, Spin Turn Coaster, is a new addition as well, and Meisho did a great job working it over, around and through both BB and TC. This bright yellow track with white supports weaving through the other two coasters really makes this end of the park look like a big spaghetti mess of track. The ten car trains have individually spinning cars, and I ended up in the second car in the train. The lift hill has an odd rollback stop system I have never seen before and I couldn't figure out how it works. I'll be sending a batch of photos to Duane at RCDB, and he tends to use most of what I send, since I seem to get to some out of the way parks. I'll let you all know when/if he posts the shots I took at NHL, including a good shot of these rollback stops. As for the ride itself, its not particularly fast, and there isn't any air at all, but the cars spin freely all the way from the bottom of the lift (I went up sideways as I was the only person in my car, which was a little uncomfortable, but at least the lift was much faster than Big Boom!) to the end of the ride before being straightened out as you enter the station. The spinning isn't crazy fast like some spinning mouse can get if loaded right, and not as slow as the spinning on a controlled spinner such as Euromir at Europa park. This made for a comfortable sensation, but I was surprised that I could easily reach the side of the car behind / next to me as I spun. The admonition to keep your arms inside the coaster at all times definitely should be heeded on this ride! As I had almost two hours to kill before the next bus, I re-rode all of the coasters, and hit a few rides I wouldn't ordinarily ride such as the Space Shot, Dark Castle, Sky Balloons, (like parachutes, but the cycle lifts you to the top twice and the drop is much slower.) Go Karts, and the Water Coaster (actually just a log flume). There were actually many other flats such as teacups, double inverter, a scrambler / octopus with an alien theme, a beautiful double-decker menagerie carousel, frog hopper, flash dance, a very well maintained wave swinger and a few others, plus the kiddie rides near the carousel. Additionally, there were some Japan only attractions such as two different fishing areas (one stream and one pond) a stag beetle hunting cage, a foot-spa, Shetland pony rides, and two different styled gardens. All in all, I was impressed with Nasu Highland's cleanliness, theming (6 zones, but some blended into others), very nice landscaping and gardens, as well as efficient and friendly ride ops. (OK, the last are practically standard at all amusement parks here in Japan, but I like to mention them as a plus anyways.) The only detractor for me was that the park is a little bit difficult to navigate, but that is mostly due to the slope of the park and the small ravine running through part of it. All of this is tied together by the near constant presence of the park's mascot, Woopy, a bird whose type I can't begin to guess who wears a stars and stripes bow tie. Although the coasters aren't particularly amazing, they are mostly unique, and I had a pretty good time in spite of some afternoon rain and those other headaches. Chris B Who is running out of parks to visit in Japan! Nagashima Spa Land, Parque Espana, Mitsui Greenland, Kijima Amusement Park (if I want the last woodie in Japan) and three coasters that were either closed when I went or not open yet: Linear Gale, Space Mountain and Raging Spirits is pretty much all I want to hit, and two of those parks will likely require plane tickets instead of train, gulp! From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jul 02 13:06:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93843 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:06:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:05:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200507021305.AA967246154@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=eN1QRr8VPSFpuO83AIHWoJRDendF_Wv6mwzBSb9th7CBi9g3Mu3L X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On the first of July, Karen and I took advantage of her day off from work and made a visit to New York's Great Escape. It was a two-and-a-half hour drive from our home, but entry was free with our Six Flags season passes. A new section was added for this year, Looney Tunes National Park. I wasn't sure what to expect. I thought that perhaps some kiddie rides had been placed on the midway where the old Storytown area was. We got to the park at about 11:00. Route 9, where the park sits, appeared to have more development along it. There were new restaurants and stores. The park had re-worked its parking area across the street. It was expanded pretty far back. The sky was thickly overcast and the crowd was fairly light, so we were able to park close to the front of the lot. Something that caught our eye immediately was a massive construction project about a block down the road. It appeared that Great Escape was finally getting that hotel they had wanted for years. Karen said it looked like it was going to have an indoor waterpark as well. Not much else outside the park appeared to have changed much. We walked through the entrance gates, up to the turnstiles and showed our passes. As we entered the International Village, the comforting familiar stone walkway greeted us. The old boar fountain was still there, though it was dry. There was a Guest Relations room that I thought was new. And there were the usual gift shops. For the heck of it, we stopped in a couple of them. But unfortunately, the Six Flags metamorphosis was almost complete. There were lots of Looney Tunes toys, as we expected. But joining them were Superman, Batman and Green Lantern toys. Plus there was the ubiquitous Mr. Six everywhere, from dolls to mouse pads. There also seemed to be different music playing. It was somewhat patriotic (like Yankee Doodle) but sounded as if it was perfromed by a small Irish band. The old photo shop near the rest rooms had been replaced with a booth labeled, "Six Flags Great Escape Lodge." There were artist renderings inside the booth. An attendant was cheerfully handing out small brochures. It indeed was going to have an indoor waterpark along with the hotel, just like Cedar Point's Castaway Bay (but much smaller), and was scheduled to open this winter. That seemed a bit optimistic given that they were still framing the structure. The waterpark roof was supposed to be made of a material called Texlon that lets in UV rays so that guests can tan. At the three-way juncture of International Village was a shop that had huge SALE signs in its windows. So we stopped in. Another cheerful employee told us it was a new store that they were trying out. We were hoping to find some older Great Escape souvenirs, but mostly it was Six Flags merchandise that apparently hadn't been selling well. Most of the merchandise was modestly discounted (a $15 shirt for $12). We walked through to another store that had random stuffed animals. We headed up the steep paved path to the big yellow Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe display. The slide off of its second level was long gone, and the opening to it had been boarded up. But we were glad it was still there. Then we walked down through the original Storytown area with its nicely detailed kid-sized village. The little Mother Goose ride had been removed. In its place was an empty space surrounded by the ride's fence. Cinderella's castle looked good. The horse-drawn pumpkin coach was making its rounds. The moat around the castle -- once blue, filled with water and accented by two fountains -- had been painted beige and was dry. The petting zoo opposite it looked quite colorful with bright canvas tops over all the animal cages. We walked through, looking at the various goats, llamas and birds. Nearby was a new Funnel Cake stand. We walked past it and around the corner where the carousel sat and headed down toward the new area. As we rounded the next corner at the base of the big pool (where another diving show retread was taking place, with the same tired lip-synched antics), we saw Looney Tunes National Park. It was quite a jarring experience. I was so used to looking over at a winding path where the big pink whale sat along with the little buildings and Jack and Jill climbing up the hill. Instead a bright yellow Zamperla Crazy Bus was rising and falling, swings were spinning...it looked like a Six Flags midway. In front of us was the old schoolhouse, transformed into the Ranger Station. Brightly painted in cartoony primary colors, complete with cartoony mailboxes out front, it perfectly set the tone for the area. Inside the little building, some of the schoolhouse trappings remained. But instead of a teacher's desk, the dominant feature was a TV -- with a "rabbit ear" antenna -- playing a very old Bugs Bunny cartoon. But the soundtrack wasn't the cartoon at all. It was commentary from animators on the history of what we were watching, from how Elmer Fudd developed to the different animators who worked for Warner Brothers. I thought that was a nice touch. There were little schooldesks so kids could sit there and learn about animation. Heading into the main section, I noticed a "No Smoking Area" sign, an unusual and welcome addition. To the left, where Jack and Jill used to romp, the hill had been removed and in its place was the Krazy Bus. Behind it was some delightfully colorful stonework. To the right was a midway game. Beyond that was a humorously-themed kiddie swing called Taz's Tornado. The arms of the swing were actually the Tazmanian Devil's cartoon arms. His head spun around on top of the ride. It was really well themed. In fact, all of the many rides displayed wonderful attention to detail. Another classic Storytown building had been given new life. The old Three Bears house, which used to be attached to an actual bear cage, had been renovated into Granny's place. Inside it was a small bedroom with pictures of Tweety and Sylvester on the wall. Behind it was the little Elmer Fudd Scenic Railway. The old Coco Loco Cafe, one of the most forgettable eateries in the park, had been transformed into the Character Cafe. It featured pretty standard prepared food (hot dogs/hamburgs/fries). The Wilderness Theater, where there used to be animal shows, was redecorated for Looney Tunes shows. And at the very end of that section, one of our favorite attractions was still there, but closed. Instead of a giant gorilla, Jungle Land's familiar double-gabled hut featured a poster of Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck in "Rabbit Seasoning." I tried to stand on a ledge to look over the fence and see what was in there, but a nearby maintenance worker shooed me away. Karen and I stood there and looked at the beautifully landscaped grounds around us, the happy children eagerly climbing onto the rides...and we somehow felt sad. The Great Escape was no longer Charlie Wood's park. Looney Tunes National Park made that quite clear. I really appreciated the nods to history, though. There was a lot of thought put into keeping bits of Storytown and seamlessly integrating it into the theme. I think the management has done a spectacular job, and I'm sure the area is going to be a big hit. It kept Charlie Wood's idea of a children's park and brought it into the 21st century. But we couldn't help feeling sad for what had been lost. This was at last no longer the park we had grown to love. What brought us back time after time to Great Escape was its uniqueness. It had so many things no other park had, from the corny old Tornado dark ride to the long Ghost Town Train, to Jungle Land and Alice in Wonderland, to the silly children's songs that played throughout most of the park. That's what we loved about it. We just loved relaxing with the park's slow-paced frozen-in-time atmosphere. Under Six Flags' management, the growing park has wrestled with an identity crisis of sorts, whether it was a family park or a thrill park, whether it was a Storytown or a Six Flags. It was very obvious, standing in Looney Tunes National Forest, that the park was unequivocally a Six Flags park. There was no going back. That's what made us sad. From there we made the slow progress across the newly-paved bridge toward Oktoberfest. We stopped into the Mad Hatter gift shop, which no longer sold hats. It had yet another assortment of Looney Tunes items. We took a relaxing ride on the old Sky Ride and then headed to the very back of the park and toward our old friend The Comet. Hidden away behind Splashwater Kingdom, isolated from all the other rides, what was possibly the world's greatest wooden roller coaster looked so lonely. Very few people were in line. Maybe the park could use the vast amount of space around the coaster to install a few flat rides and bring more people down that end. Happily, both trains were running even though they were 3/4 empty. We had a 1 train wait for the front seat. I was glad to see that the track looked as if it had been greased. We climbed into the red train, clipped the single seat belt, lowered our lap bars and headed off. On the slow turn to the lift hill, I could feel the train hunting, bouncing back and forth between the rails. The hillside behind the coaster, which once was nothing but dirt, now was dotted with grown trees. The chain performed its infamous speed increase, yanking us over the lift hill at an alarming pace. We flew down the first drop and hit the bottom with tremendous force, jackhammering a bit. But that was about the only really rough spot. The rest of the course was taken with impressive speed and non-stop air. But the positive Gs had gotten a bit too intense for me. A good re-tracking could bring the ride back to its old glass-smooth self. Still, we were happy to be reunited with such a storied coaster. Perhaps on more crowded days the Comet would be busier. But I wish it had a place of more distinction within the park, where it could really be shown off. When it was assembled at Great Escape, it was the biggest thing in the park and only the second roller coaster there. So it was naturally a big draw. It was the reason people walked all the way back there. But with so many distractions in the Six Flags version of the park (including five other roller coasters) the poor Comet seemed to be ignored. We were getting hungry. As we passed through the Oktoberfest section, though, we had to take a walk through Alice in Wonderland. We entered under the giant tree and popped out in that hidden fantasy world. Like the Comet, with so many other distractions in the park I wondered how many people bothered with this simple pleasure. There was a large open area in the center of the display. That would make a terrific place to put in a small teacup ride themed to the Mad Hatter. The entrance to the queue could be through that giant tree. That would allow the park to keep Alice in Wonderland intact, but at the same time bring in another family ride. We could tell the park wasn't that crowded because Itza Pizzeria was normally mobbed. But when we got there, only four people were in line. Each queue there used to have an entrance and an exit. But for some reason, there was only one queue for both entering and exiting and that made for a bit of confusion. There were six people behind the counter, yet no one seemed to be doing very much and only one queue line was open. We stared at the selection and prices. Gone were the old slices of cheese pizza, a quarter of a whole pie, that cost only $2.50. The choice was either a 16-inch pizza for $15.95 (Wow! That's a dollar an inch!) or an 8-inch personal pizza for $4.99. I ordered the 8-inch and Karen ordered the cheese-filled breadsticks. A small soft drink was $3.49 and a large one was $3.69. Why would anyone bother with the small one? It was cheaper to order more than you could drink and throw some of it away. Thankfully, the umbrellas were back at the picnic tables. But oddly, instead of being inserted into the proper holes in the middle of the ttables, the umbrellas were strapped to the fence next to the tables and placed between them. My pizza was slightly burnt and difficult to describe. It tasted a bit like zucchini. Karen's breadsticks were sort of like doughy mozzarella sticks, but tasted better than my pizza. Our drinks were just bloody huge. A gaggle of geese sat across from us on a patch of grass next to the Swan Boat stream. There were three small children clinging to the fence and staring at the geese. The kids' mother was trying to get them to look at the nearby Boomerang coaster. But the kids didn't care about the rides. They were fascinated by the animals. Since we were right next to it, we hopped a ride on the Storytown Train. On the park map, the ride was listed as closing at dusk. A night ride on the train might be fun, but since it traveled through an isolated forested area the park was probably concerned about wild animals on the tracks. The train operator reminded me of some of the characters I used to work with at Mountain Park, carney guys who were friendly and harmless but looked a bit scary. This guy was probably in his 50s, wore an odd hat with no brim, had tatoos on his arms, a blond moustache and was missing teeth. He walked as if he was about to fall over any minute. There were only two other people in line besides us. We sat down and a few minutes later the operator came over to us and in a hushed voice welcomed us to the ride and told us to keep all our bodily parts inside the train. He walked over to the engine, and a group of guests walked up to the gate at the end of the train. So he walked all the way back to the gate to let them in. When the were seated, he gave them the spiel. As he walked toward the engine, more guests entered the queue. So again he went back to the gate to let them in. All through this the guy was unfailingly pleasant. Great Escape had some of the friendliest employees this side of Idlewild. Eventually the train was full and with a loud toot of the whistle we were off. I looked ahead at the track, which seemed disturbingly crooked. The rails wavered back and forth along the course. In many areas, the ballast under the track had disappeared and weeds had completely obscured the rails. We passed by the spare train, which since Six Flags bought the park had gradually deteriorated. Its paint had faded and peeled off and most of the metal had badly rusted. A maple tree was growing along the side of it, beginning to surround the metal. Looney Tunes National Park reflected beautifully in the stream as we passed it. But it looked like we were in a different park. We passed by the old Jungle Land. All of the animatronics were gone, but the rope bridge was still there. We could also see the giant tiki statue still standing at what used to be Jungle Land's exit. To our right we could see the maintenance area. There sat the Jungle Land animatronics and the big pink whale, like abandoned children. After arriving back at the station we noticed that Thunder Alley, the beautifully maintained set of 50s Cadillac cars, had very few people in line. There were two operators, one at the entrance and one at the exit. We queued up and the line moved fairly quickly. Then all the cars suddenly stopped. A little girl was in a car only a few feet from the exit ramp. The ride operators walked out across the track, evidently looking to see how many cars were stuck on the course. We waited a few minutes, and a maintenance man arrived. There were three empty cars closest to the station. He began working on those, disengaging the motors and pushing them into the station. I thought it odd that nobody bothered to help the little girl out of her car. Finally, the maintenance man pushed her car the few feet up to the exit ramp and she got out. Someone asked a ride attendant how long it would be, and the answer was, "A while." So we left the queue. As we walked away, we could see a little boy stuck in a car at the far turn. He looked completely helpless there, and no one was paying attention to him. It seemed like the least they could have done was escort him over to the exit. My camera battery died, so we walked back to the car to put it (and a bag Karen was carrying) away. We got our hands stamped with simple black letters that read, "PARK." Then we re-entered and headed for Ghost Town. We passed by the Elvis imitator that the park has featured in the Jollytree Theater for a few seasons. He didn't look much like Elvis. He didn't sound much like Elvis. But he had a white sequined jumpsuit with a high collar and a pompadour haircut and porkchop sideburns. People seemed to be enjoying it. I was glad Six Flags kept the cave entrance to Ghost Town with the waterfall cascading down. It was a great idea Charlie Wood had, to bring guests magically out into a completely different land. That section of the park was fairly deserted. We headed for the Poland Spring Plunge, one of our favorite flumes. It was closed. Nightmare at Crackaxle Canyon, the indoor Jet Star coaster, didn't interest us. And neither did Canyon Blaster, possibly the shortest adult coaster ever created. We wandered through the large gift shop. Nothing caught our eyes. There was a small Roy Rogers lunchbox selling for $13.95. There was a whole section of John Deere souvenirs, but nothing that would remind us of our day at Great Escape. We walked down the hill by Canyon Blaster's helix. The train was rolling through its brief course, and was eerily silent except for the clanky Arrow lift hills. On the way down the hill we stopped into the quaint little ice cream shop. There used to be delicious handmade blueberry ice cream there. But that was replaced by Dippin' Dots and Edy's hard ice cream. We looked over the limited flavor selections. The sign listed vanilla and vanilla bean among them. We looked at the freezer and saw two similar containers. We asked which was which. The young man behind the counter quietly replied that they were both vanilla bean. So we each ordered a waffle cone with vanilla bean. "How many scoops do you want?" he asked, almost deadpan. "I don't know...two? Three?" Karen said, perplexed. "How much is three scoops?" "It doesn't matter," the kid said, sounding almost forlorn. "It's all the same price." I thought, heck, I might as well order sixty scoops and see what he says. But we each got three. As he was getting my cone, another worker entered and said to him flatly, "You're supposed to wear gloves." The kid slowly put my cone down on the counter, put on two plastic gloves and then resumed making my treat. Karen and I sat on benches in front of the miniature General Store. The ice cream was good, just like what we could buy a lot cheaper in the grocery store. Then we hiked over to Raging River. In a short time, we were floating through one of the most dizzying raft rides I've ever been on, spinning mercilessly throughout. But we hardly got wet at all. When we exited the ride, we were going to head to the Ferris wheel, but it was closed. So we walked around the Fest area. The Alpine Boblsed was running, but we didn't have any interest in riding it. We walked by the giant circus tent. Two employees were standing in front of it, one with a large snake and the other with a cockatoo. At first I thought that was a neat way to get kids to interact with the animals. But then I discovered their real motive: they wanted people to pay a dollar to have their picture taken petting the animal. We passed it by. It was almost three o'clock. The park was scheduled to close in three hours. There really wasn't much else we felt like doing, so we headed back for the exit. As we passed by the Jollytree Theater, an older woman was sitting all by herself in the front row, waiting for Elvis to return. We walked through the exit's large gift shop, hoping to find something memorable to take home. We didn't even see any Comet merchandise. There was, however, a lot of pink T-shirts that had a little stick figure on them, as if drawn by a small child. The stick figure was smiling and carrying what looked like a crude knife. Next to the stick figure was scrawled in a child's handwriting, "The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest with a sharp object." Karen and I looked at it and sadly shook our heads. What a statement for a "family park" to make. As we walked away, I heard some other guests who spotted the shirt laugh and say, "That's really funny!" I guess maybe we're just out-of-touch or getting old or something. Maybe we're just incurably nostalgic. The park's new slogan stated, "Life Should Be Fun." Well, it used to be. We always had a wonderful time at the Great Escape. But gradually over the years, we've left more and more disheartened. We got that strange Six Flags feeling that we get at so many of their parks, an odd feeling of guilt thinking we should be having more fun. On this trip we spent less money there than probably any other park we've ever been to. Were we getting tired of parks? On our recent trips to Knoebel's and Kennywood and even Cedar Point we had a lot of fun and were happy to spend a lot more money -- and we didn't even get into those parks for free! So what did Great Escape do wrong? Maybe nothing. Maybe everything. The park has chosen to move forward and take on a new identity, one of a generic Six Flags property. With another Six Flags property a short distance from our house, why should we bother driving so far to the Great Escape? What brought us back there time and time again has gradually disappeared. The only thing we would go back for (besides the fact that it would be free) would be to see Jungle Land when it re-opened...but I noticed on the park map that it was no longer even listed. Farewell, Storytown. Your time, like Charlie Wood's, has passed. ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Jul 02 13:22:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23493 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:22:56 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1c7.2ba4bbca (17377) for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c7.2ba4bbca.2ff8519b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:22:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=hqp7sMQXvlizJVF2Tjx1aSxkYe63f4SZrHi44mT24Oj3_XJBOFoS X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thisw makes me very sad to think about Storytown being taken over by Six Flags inc. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 02 13:48:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83784 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 20:48:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8AC9A72 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:48:20 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21AA19DC-A21E-44C3-A52F-9EF6395DAB8C@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:48:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Nasu Highland Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=11G0qTrROekhxIULgTVHxUrpq80-syaKwyakSoRi1Vfj_aLW X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, Thanks for this report, it was a great read! Personally I really enjoy reading about parks that I'll never visit .. especially some place like Japan, which is just so different to the US. I can't wait to see the pictures. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 02 14:57:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51744 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2005 21:57:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:57:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507021305.AA967246154@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=haNBEgepQPgWRE6RH4noYE7md0WXmhBkvXRxSwwr3eXcU1LOPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Farewell, Storytown. Your time, like Charlie Wood's, has passed. Jay, I think I've read two or three of your TR's for the Great Escape. I'm really upset at myself for not having included this park in a previous trip somehow. If I ever do get the opportunity to go, I know how much I'll be missing. Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Jul 02 18:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41591 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2005 01:08:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:08:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200507021808.AA1315504266@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Great Escape pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=qLFqCx0bSqujoxvC1xBXfjEUKCe27sA1YkC4dSZl1jL1Ok8_7eAI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Howdy. My GE trip report with pics is posted at > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/ge705/ge705.html < Enjoy! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 03 09:35:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76966 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:35:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200507030935.AA1092550946@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: TR: Great Escape, 7-1-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=dRiEz_8OD6DMMmd5veY4EIamvnknygQzCGbczcD3mqx2dyEyKcLB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think I've read two or three of your TR's for the Great Escape. >I'm really upset at myself for not having included this park in a >previous trip somehow. If I ever do get the opportunity to go, I know how much I'll be missing. < Thanks, Chris. I just hope more people make a point of visiting smaller out-of-the-way parks while they're still around, places like Conneaut and Bushkill and Lakeside. Those are almost always the stops that prove the most memorable. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Jul 04 16:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82681 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2005 23:28:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:28:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 140.186.103.190 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Once Upon a Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=qxdXWjwwNc3QUyeeAIrbk8z0c3GgxOWPqznSscH-ASK1LgTHWpMB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi Folks. I tried posting this as a file on RCT, but I keep getting errors. So I stuck it on my own site: > http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/out_coney.doc < It a wonderful article in this month's issue of a children's magazine called Cricket. The article is entitled Once Upon a Time at Coney Island and features some terrific photos. Jay From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Mon Jul 04 21:49:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56719 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2005 04:49:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 04:49:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 04:49:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:48:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=OW1m-zS3OvuW39P45M9Tym-oF6jJiYPTQVfBwMwXEncW_TWiNQkk X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain Our family lives in SW Ohio les than an hour from Kings Island. Despite this, we go to to Cedar Point every chance we get. My twins sons, (48.5" tall) age 6, "came of age" in June, and took their first ride(s) on the Millenium Force. The older kids had already ridden and loved the ride. Before that day, the little ones had only been on kiddie rides like Woodstock Express or Junior Gemini, etc., but of course MF is a horse of a different color. They rode Gemini first, and loved it. But then it was time. One cried a little as we took the fast accent up the hill for the first time. It was harder to enjoy the ride as usual due to my concern for him, but by the time we finished that first plunge, he was having the time of his life. I'm posting some of the pics in the photos section for your enjoyment. The other shot is one I took of 'em on the Wild Cat. We also rode the Blue Streak, Mean Streak, Magnum, Disaster Transport, but they couldn't get on the Mantis or Top Thrill. Now I pose a quetion to the group for your feedback. My wife and I have created a coaster-riding, thrill seeking group of Frankensteins. Is there a better park for coasters than CP? I can't imagine a better park, but I'd love to hear from anyone who hs been around and could advise. Thanks for your all posts/ stories! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 04 23:41:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72889 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:40:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Once Upon a Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RM5PzaQAnn7x6eisOtwYa4y02VRtUO5SNw6kubhTJQ306g5I7w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > Hi Folks. I tried posting this as a file on RCT, but I keep getting errors. So I stuck it on my > own site: > http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/out_coney.doc < > > It a wonderful article in this month's issue of a children's magazine called Cricket. The article > is entitled Once Upon a Time at Coney Island and features some terrific photos. > > Jay That's a nice little story. It whets the appettite for all the histories out there on Coney. I hadn't heard the bit about 'Hot Dogs' before. Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 05 18:09:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22676 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 01:09:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:07:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=uYDQJ68Y3ibNmb64bRg2tIFo31o43AmkDCBJqK1NQEiJh7FvAzxa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Is there a better park for coasters than CP? I can't imagine a better park, but I'd love to hear from anyone who hs been around and could advise. < Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. King's Island is beautiful and huge, but again doesn't do a lot for me in the coaster department. You might try Geauga Lake, which has quite a variety of coasters. If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. It would be just about as far as CP, but it's a completely different experience. Your kids will be able to ride just about everything there. It's a much more relaxed pace. And Waldameer has two terrific old fun houses as well. Our kids really liked Waldameer because it was much more intimate, not as "industrial." They felt much more at home there. You've also got lots of great parks to your southeast, including the incredible Kennywood, Idlewild and Conneaut Lake. Good luck! Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 05 18:14:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13852 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5D59A69 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> References: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:13:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=R1RETrehwfqwi_2wUGRP7-bK4v_rpKepZfupSe6hoTN9iq-M X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of schlep, it's highly recommended. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 05 19:40:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62023 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.d4.2b5c876d (15875) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0342cb44a1228; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:40:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:40:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42CB448B.1040202@aol.com> References: <200507051807.AA1221853510@karenandjay.com> <279A8EC9-2B6E-467C-BB00-44FD28D4DC07@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=DyeG3ZfGkQRqeddElsvml0m0COkwDf8fiOGqW9Bcz1l6DaONFg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/5/2005, 9:13 PM: > > Hi, > > > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. > > Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > > > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. > > I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of > schlep, it's highly recommended. In terms of numbers, you really can't beat Cedar Point, but them having the best coasters is debatable (and, for that matter, always being debated). As long as you have a great time, what difference does it really make? I, too, would highly recomend Indiana Beach, one of my favorite parks, and I don't think it will be too far from you being in SW Ohio. Also, I would recomend Holiday World. Both parks have great wooden coasters, and experiences you won't find at Cedar Point. When the kids are ready for a longer road trip, come on out to Pennsylvania and check out some of our great parks. I think they will love Kennywood, Hersheypark, and of course, Knoebels Groves. :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From coastermoosh@yahoo.com Tue Jul 05 21:50:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermoosh@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89860 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 04:50:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:50:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.3.119.105 From: "coastermoosh" Subject: Silverwood event - only chance in 2005 for 2 hrs ERT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141858659; y=-rtoCKjDuyquvTHjImglm_I9mWLW-CjZb-45q3FgnLYAWYooJOi7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermoosh After a 1 year absense Coaster Alley Convergence has returned. Registration includes: *Park Admission *Dinner *All-you-can-Drink Pepsi Wristband *Group Photo *2 Hrs Evening ERT on Tremors and Timber Terror. Discounts available for those with annual passes, seniors, and children. WHEN? Saturday, September 24th For complete event details or to register online see www.chaindogmedia.com From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Tue Jul 05 22:17:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43705 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 05:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 05:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 05:17:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 05:17:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 05:17:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:17:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42CB448B.1040202@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=WACisVWCs58m7Ruz9biDMM1tCGG1fUoJ1fpjQInMgCQV6LS20OiN X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain Thanks so much for all who have taken the time to respond. We will try to check out all the great parks you've mentioned. I should add that my wife is a wooden coaster fanatic, while I prefer the incredible Intamin steel rides. She loves the Beast and the Mean Sreak, and the kids are still formulating thier opinions. We are serious about this as a real family fun pursuit, and have even traveled to Disneyland to pursue our hobby. Calfornia Screamin was the ride that got me hooked, although when she dragged me onto the front car of The Beast at night in a light rain, I had an inkling of what was to come. Keep riding, and keep posting. This a great group! David and Alexa Knoll Thanks again, and keep posting your stories. We really enjoy reading them. I > > Hi, > > > > > Heck, if they (and you) are enjoying it, keep it up! CP doesn't > > > really have a lot of coasters that I enjoy riding. They simply > > > have a lot of coasters, period. Blue Streak is my favorite, > > > followed by Gemini and Magnum. And that's about it for me. > > > > Wow .. that's exactly how I feel too! > > > > > If you really want to see if your family has amusement parks in > > > their blood, take them to Waldameer, near Erie. > > > > I'd also suggest Indiana Beach .. although that might be a bit of > > schlep, it's highly recommended. > > In terms of numbers, you really can't beat Cedar Point, but them having > the best coasters is debatable (and, for that matter, always being > debated). As long as you have a great time, what difference does it > really make? > > I, too, would highly recomend Indiana Beach, one of my favorite parks, > and I don't think it will be too far from you being in SW Ohio. Also, I > would recomend Holiday World. Both parks have great wooden coasters, > and experiences you won't find at Cedar Point. > > When the kids are ready for a longer road trip, come on out to > Pennsylvania and check out some of our great parks. I think they will > love Kennywood, Hersheypark, and of course, Knoebels Groves. :-) > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoaster.com > Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 05 22:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41024 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 05:27:49 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1b8.16857037 (3842) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=qty36i686pY6Xs_tgZLojnlI7FreTK-JOQtAfKbo8LQ-B6JIfiwb X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Were are the photos you said you put up? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 06 04:04:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54097 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.154.5449d1c8 (15874) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242cbbab73d4; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:04:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:04:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> Message-ID: <42CBBAA0.7020102@aol.com> References: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=uZhkvP0JNpN0mhyorTFsw4hxkosa5taHO_k9bhFrnJlYW1hvXg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo CoasterDainan@aol.com wrote on 7/6/2005, 1:27 AM: > Were are the photos you said you put up? > > -Dainan from North East Coasters In the photos section of the group's site: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/lst -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 06:45:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54350 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 13:45:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:45:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=8HdX2fmLu-x_aFDIeuwnwVjk-ZsEWtqXlk0lSZeo0LyrHA6IrFZF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that were moved from PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been modified to prevent snapping or if they are just as good as ever. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun Spot last weekend) From lau228@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 08:05:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6669 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53911.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.160) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 98865 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2005 15:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:04:40 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=nSchFSgprsohxTvIprX3sf7krL-vspgg4mBtgNidKv9l X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 From what I've heard, you may snap them. --- Brian Farral wrote: > Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that > were moved from > PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been > modified to > prevent snapping or if they are just as good as > ever. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun > Spot last weekend) > > > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 06 08:38:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65707 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 15:38:40 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1120753rne for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.65.7 with SMTP id n7mr5105324rna; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507060838379dce12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:38:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Silverwood event - only chance in 2005 for 2 hrs ERT! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=-XM5sSag5_xzdUC3_nrdhFwvgxBVj7IJ2UqdyLym2AnhoWTp X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Thanks again for putting this together, Moosh (and Dave)... I'll see you there! :) -Beth On 7/6/05, coastermoosh wrote: > After a 1 year absense Coaster Alley Convergence has returned. > Registration includes: >=20 > *Park Admission > *Dinner > *All-you-can-Drink Pepsi Wristband > *Group Photo > *2 Hrs Evening ERT on Tremors and Timber Terror. >=20 > Discounts available for those with annual passes, seniors, and > children. >=20 > WHEN? Saturday, September 24th >=20 > For complete event details or to register online see > www.chaindogmedia.com From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Wed Jul 06 09:35:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5007 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 16:35:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:35:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:35:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1b8.16857037.2ffcc5cd@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=d-XhQVkems_wSC7tKd1o4GpBckkSXIjHj09nS9OhvbDetxyZpXpj X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > Were are the photos you said you put up? > in the knollsonmain album... From coreyml03@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 09:46:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69275 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 16:46:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:44:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.28.128.203 From: "corey" Subject: IAAPA Atlanta 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=q4_VDfCAcpIdm5qx0zv-Wzv0LNRJ_Q55QYqOtw2A6fvwgwB7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 in order to get into the event, do i have to have anything special or can i just pay at the door and enjoy the festivities? From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 11:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89607 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 18:54:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:54:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=jCO0Y26hnCbll_GCcxd7Rn9W4hpOurNGFsSCKy8y6nUF721V X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Thanks! ~Kristy~ From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 11:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96689 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 18:54:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:54:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=Fde7tV4DIJzOblLXMkPlHgq1C0h2nnycjhV0NeHsuvaOxfLN X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Thanks! ~Kristy~ From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 12:09:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41392 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 19:09:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:07:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=qSD5kAw9yDDgbvJIHQreDAOTQwIcsMaW8e3_fIt0Mj5cR1NM8B90 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. Check out www.rcdb.com. That'll get you everything with at least one roller coaster. Adam From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 06 12:18:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51446 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.2.) id r.1c0.2bfb93f6 (15886) for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (24.115.39.186.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net [24.115.39.186]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42cc2e48bc; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:17:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:17:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42CC2E32.5050608@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 24.115.39.186 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=P2JXeezw6EODH3zoNmp8R0kdWIuWuQHnL6xGBszB5eWgIOTGpg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Kristy Milo wrote on 7/6/2005, 2:54 PM: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ That would be a really big list. Are you looking for parks in a certain part of the states, like Eastern PA or the Jersey Shore? Are you looking for larger parks only, or everything, including kiddie parks? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 13:20:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28804 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 20:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 20:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 20:20:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 20:20:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:20:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=xEHqy-vRFBnhfrO7iWSjPkBrVPL2ZqpI3__b9ughegHXkBvWk6qp X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani While I love living in Southern California for many reasons, and we certainly have our fair share of good theme parks, for amusement parks, and especially for wooden roller coasters, I envy those of you who live in that swath of the country from Ohio to New Jersey or thereabouts. It seems like practically every small town in Pennsylvania has a traditional amusement park with a classic woodie or two. Yes, we have some great parks with some great rides, but they're all pretty much tied up in a handful of parks. Out there it seems like one could travel in any direction and really explore the region by going from park to park. Outside of the big corporate parks here pickings are slim. So, not a major complaint, but if I were end up living out there, I could go to a different park every weekend all summer and not repeat myself. Maybe I'm just saying I crave novelty, having lived here my whole life... I'd probably be begging to come back home a few weeks into winter. :-) Adam From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 06 15:05:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78121 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:02:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200507061502.AA1557922104@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TECH: Physics of Waterslides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=lcnJ4yyZBXHjROWu11n_hUbZYxf8y6dXaElA1c1vQkMMTfzNXKMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Physics of . . . Waterslides Hurtling Toward Chaos When waterslides reach a certain speed, no scientist can predict their beha= vior By Elizabeth Svoboda DISCOVER Vol. 26 No. 07 | July 2005 | Astronomy & Physics Standing 76 feet above Orlando, Florida, staring down the throat of the Blue Niagara slide at the Wet=92nWild water park, some riders have been known to have second thoughts. Powerful pumps churn the cascading water at the top of the slide into a furious froth, muffling the sound of parkgoers seven stories below. =93Just go for it!=94 the ride operator urges, and another human torpedo surrenders to the froth, accelerating to a velocity of about 40 feet per second while careering through the slide=92s 300 feet of looping tubes. =93Yup, that=92s a crazy one,=94 engineer Marvin Hlynka says, chuckling. Hl= ynka works for WhiteWater West Industries, a firm in Richmond, British Columbia, that designed the Blue Niagara and other extreme waterslides. It=92s his job to use science to find new ways to scare riders out of their minds, but there=92s a limit to how much his equations and computer program= s can help him. In the alternate universe of waterslide design, Newtonian models don=92t always work, and chaos lurks in every hairpin turn. =93In te= rms of actually predicting where a particular drop of water or a particular body is going to be in the slide at any given time, you can=92t do it,=94 Hlynka says. =93It=92s just not possible.=94 The path that water takes through a channel is primarily a function of its volume and the channel=92s shape, slope, and the roughness of its surface. As the water picks up speed, however, it starts to develop eddies=97zigzagging, swirling currents=97that make the flow less predictabl= e. The velocity at which a smoothly flowing stream produces eddies depends on the water=92s viscosity, the diameter of the channel, and other factors, bu= t no one fully understands what triggers all the turbulence. As the physicist Werner Heisenberg put it, =93When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first.=94 Turbulent water, like thunderstorms and other chaotic systems, is extremely sensitive to minor disturbances. The tiniest contaminant=97a spec= k of dust, a blade of grass=97can disrupt a waterslide=92s flow, touching off larger irregularities that in turn create swirling eddies, and so on. Newtonian principles predict that minute initial variations in a system lead to similarly minute final ones. Not so in chaotic systems. =93There ar= e tiny perturbations to start out with, and they get bigger and bigger in unpredictable ways,=94 says Parviz Moin, director of the Center for Turbulence Research at Stanford University. =93You=92ve heard how a butterf= ly flapping its wings in China can change the weather in California. In a sense, that kind of thing is what=92s happening inside a waterslide.=94 Because no equation can predict these changes in a straightforward way, waterslide designers can=92t know for certain how the frothy water will behave when they switch on the jets. Yet they rely on water flow and gravity to safely convey riders to the splash pool. =93If you=92re building= a roller coaster or a similar =91hard=92 amusement-type ride, you strap the riders in so they can=92t move,=94 Hlynka says. =93With a waterslide, there= =92s none of that control.=94 Other variables further complicate the equation. Different bathing suits, for instance, generate differing amounts of friction as they rub against a slide, and that affects the character of the turbulence as well as the speed of the rider. Go down the Blue Niagara in a pair of cotton shorts and you might find the ride ho hum. Go down it in a pair of Spandex minitrunks and you might need some time to recuperate=97especially if you happen to wear a bikini top, which fast slides have been known to tear off. Hlynka=92s only safeguard against such uncertainty is real-world testing. H= e creates detailed designs based on past experience, then uses an army of eager volunteers to act as guinea pigs to verify the slides=92 safety. =93Experience helps,=94 Hlynka adds. =93After 20-odd years, you know that i= f a typical person with a typical bathing suit rides a fiberglass slide at a 9 to 10 percent slope, there aren=92t going to be any problems.=94 Just to be sure, Hlynka and his team tend to overengineer the safety features on their slides. Their nonenclosed flumes have inward-curving sides that are anywhere from 2 1/2 to 5 feet high. These ensure that even riders who encounter powerful turbulence won=92t be catapulted off the slide. Since 1995, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, eight people in the United States have died on waterslides=97half as many a= s have died on roller coasters over the same period. Slide designers also have a few predictable physical principles in their favor. In WhiteWater West=92s new High Speed 32 slide, for instance, riders veer through a succession of gentle curves at more than 30 feet per second. Each body=92s speed and subtle rotation creates a force of about 3 g=92s that pins the riders against the fiberglass chute as they slide. =93T= he faster you go, the more the g-force holds you against the wall and locks you in position,=94 Hlynka says. =93It=92s almost like a restraint.=94 Still, even the best-laid slide can sometimes throw a wrench in engineers= =92 plans. A few years ago, a WhiteWater slide in Minneapolis was such a hit that the park=92s owners wanted one just like it at another location, this one in Ohio. The new slide was an exact copy of the original, its measurements identical within a quarter of an inch. Hlynka and his fellow engineers figured the design would be a no-brainer. They were wrong. =93We had it all set up, and we saw water pouring out of one particular place. We said, =91What the heck is that?=92 =94 Hlynka remembers. =93The water we= nt down a completely different path than it had in the Minneapolis slide=97it zigge= d where it should have zagged.=94 In the end, the team had to design a new se= t of plastic splash guards to take care of the unexpected spillovers. Hlynka still isn=92t sure what chaotic inconsistencies were at fault. =93It could = be something as prosaic as one city being dustier than another,=94 he says. New computer models may help minimize such mishaps. Parviz Moin and his Stanford team are tackling turbulence by breaking it down into manageable chunks, using a computer program to determine a fluid=92s velocity and pressure at closely spaced points. This approximates the overall flow, much as a pixelated image approximates an actual scene. Yet each =93flow event=94 depends on the one before it, so simulating the entire sequence in detail might take even the speediest supercomputer hundreds of years. In the meantime, Hlynka will continue to revel in the inexactitude of his science. =93I like to think of waterslide designers as similar to cathedral builders,=94 he says. =93In the Middle Ages, they created these beautiful buildings basically because they knew how. They couldn=92t express their designs in calculations or formulas, but they got it right anyway. They were guided by visual proportion and a sense of the way the materials behaved.=94 It takes more than a slide rule, you might say, to build a waterslide. --------------- The tallest, fastest waterslide in America is the Summit Plummet at Walt Disney World=92s Blizzard Beach in Orlando. It stands 120 feet high and features a 60-mile-an-hour free fall. To give riders a soft landing, a hidden channel pipes compressed air bubbles into the splash pool, decreasing the water=92s density. ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 16:20:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26136 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.106.123.246 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: Boomers (Dania Beach), Waterville USA, Cliff's, 6/26 - 7/1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=L6WdjiROjjLmaMzq6YJfdlNM5wUffeUCqdrt1HqzhyXLwAVfLlzm X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I got back Sunday from a long and complex vacation that involved spending a week in Puerto Rico for a friend's wedding, flying to Fort Lauderdale, then solo roadtripping up to New Orleans, where I helped my sister and her husband load up a moving van, and then caravanning with that back out to Long Beach, California. Amusement parks were not the primary focus of this trip, but I did manage to visit three small parks along the way. If you'd like to read more about the trip in general, I'm going to do a writeup on the "roadgeek" yahoogroup sometime in the near future. Also note that I'm not a real veteran coaster geek; previously I'd only hit things on the west coast, and before this my total coaster tally was only about 46, including 6 woodies. First, I should note that I did check the rcdb to see if there were any coasters in Puerto Rico, but all there were were some kiddie coasters, so I skipped those in favor of other things on the island--- beaches, restaurants, the rain forest, some amazing caves, and the Arecibo radio observatory. Sunday, June 26: The Boomers in Dania Beach, FL, just south of the FLL airport, is a lot bigger than any of the other Boomers I've seen. Not only does it have a full-sized wooden coaster, but the arcade is huge, and they have a wide but standard assortment of other things to do there. I'd be interested in seeing what the circumstances were surrounding its construction, to see why it's the only Boomers with a real roller coaster. I didn't look around the rest of the facility a whole bunch, but it seemed to be kept up pretty well. It opened at 10:00 AM, but I came by at 10:30 and they were still checking the Dania Beach Hurricane before opening it, so I went and did a load of laundry before coming back around noon. It seems the coaster operated technically as a separate business, and the price per ride was something that came out to $6.25 with tax. A wristband for unlimited coaster rides was $10.00 plus tax, though, so I went with that option and rode it three times, middle, back, and front. I liked this coaster a lot. It was a good length (the rcdb reports the length of the coaster as being 3000+ feet), a double out-and-back, and this thing provided for a LOT of airtime. In that sense, and I hope this isn't coaster sacrilege, but it reminded me a lot of the Coaster at Playland in Vancouver. In the ticket booth for the Hurricane, they carried a placard saying that the Guinness World Record for the oldest average age for the riders on a roller coaster was set there. Later the next day I was traveling along the Panhandle of Florida on US-98 and came across Panama City Beach, which turned out to be a big beach resort area. Lots of high-rise hotels, bars, giant souvenir shops (usually featuring a giant shark on the exterior), and more minigolf parks that you could shake a stick at. While the concentration of this sort of development was highest in PCB, this sort of resort development continued to a lesser extent all the way to Alabama, and even a little bit along the coast in Mississippi. Of course, the beaches themselves were still spectacular. None of these mini amusement parks was very large, though; instead of having go-karts, minigolf, an arcade, and a few other things all on one parcel, there'd usually only be one or two attractions on a lot, often right across the street from each other. I know I saw at least a dozen of these things, probably more. A good number of them were quite attractive, at least from the road, with elaborate themes like sea creatures, pirate ships, etc. being common. I also passed a few such places that were closed down, including, of course, Miracle Strip Amusement Park. With the Starliner having been relocated to Cypress Gardens, it was a little hard to tell for sure which place had been MSAP, but I think the place where it had been was one where I could see the remains of a bunch of flat rides, many of them with big themed decorations including a big devil head, and carrying a developer's construction sign indicating that the land was to become hi-rise condos called The Miracles, I think. That's to be lamented, but it's good that the wooden coaster there got relocated, and it's hard for me to imagine that one of the many small amusement parks along that stretch won't build some kind of a roller coaster within the next few years to get a leg up on its competition. Tuesday, June 28: Let's hope that if they do build a coaster in Panama City Beach, that it's better than the Cannonball Run at Waterville USA in Gulf Shores, AL. This park seemed considerably less together than the Boomers in Dania Beach, though maybe they just put more of an emphasis on their water park. Their coaster, the Cannonball Run, is a single out-and-back, and seemed rather short. I also didn't get much airtime, either. This was my first single out-and-back coaster, and I guess it just didn't seem like a big enough ride to really develop. It started, went through a couple of dips, turned around, had a couple of bunny hills, and that was it. It provided amusement, but not exactly thrills. The price from Monday thru Thursday was $3.00 a ride, (it was $5.00 on the weekend) so I went twice. So, I expected that to be the last of my coaster-riding for the trip, as I didn't have enough time to stop by Six Flags New Orleans and use my pass there, and since things would be a real hassle with the moving van plus the more delicate objects being transported in the car, I didn't expect to see anything after New Orleans besides what I could see out the windshield. As it turns out, though, we stopped for the night on July 1 in Moriarty, NM, about 35 miles east of Albuquerque, about dinnertime, and Cliff's didn't close until 10:00! So my brother-in-law Lance and I headed out in the car to Cliff's, which seemed like a really nice small traditional amusement park. Gate admission was $2.50, and then ride tickets (1-3 tickets per ride) were $2.00 each. We got to the park a little after 9:00, and just bought enough tickets for one ride each on the Galaxi (1 ticket) and the New Mexico Rattler (3 tickets). That was $10.50 + tax each, so if we'd really have much more time at all we would have gotten wristbands for less than $20.00. That seemed to be what most of the patrons were doing, and it wasn't even always clear from the outside of the rides exactly how many tickets they'd be. But I liked the atmosphere in the park. Lots of teenagers, some families, a few folks closer to my age (I'm 31). No offense, but it was nice to be out of the South and back in the West, too. When heading cross-country, Albuquerque always seems like the point where I'm back within shouting distance of home again, even though there's another 800 miles to go. It's like how the welcome signs when entering Mississippi say, "It's like coming home again." My thoughts were, "Well, I suppose it is if you're from Mississippi." Anyway, there's very little in the way of theming at the park; things are mostly pretty straightforward. There is a small train that runs around the park and they do a nice thing wrapping the log flume around a little circular island containing the Yo-Yo. There is enough signage around the park and the staff I dealt with were helpful and cheery. The restroom was nothing to write home about, and we didn't see much in the way of souvenirs. We weren't there for very long, though, so we may have just missed them. I had never actually been on a Galaxi before, and I felt that would be a good appetizer before hitting the NM Rattler. It was fun, but for a similar sort of ride I think I like Windstorms/Hurricanes better, with more emphasis on diving than on the helixes. They were running two trains of two cars each, each car holding 4 people. They have separate entrances on the NM Rattler for the front car, rear car, and the other cars in the middle. They only have one train, but their operations were running well so turnaround time was pretty quick. We took the front, and man, was that a great ride! It reminded me of a somewhat smaller Ghost Rider, since the emphasis was less on the up-and-down and more on that "out of control" feeling and changes in direction. Adding to the experience was the fact that since it was nighttime, I hadn't gotten a look at the layout before riding it, so everything was a surprise. Riding the New Mexico Rattler was a great thrill that put a big smile on my face. So there you go, I got to add 3 wooden coasters and one off-the-shelf steel coaster to my tally for the trip. The NM Rattler was excellent, the Dania Beach Hurricane was very good, and the Cannonball Run was merely fair. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 22:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8116 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 05:47:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:46:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:46:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:46:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=7XrOG65AfPnJ6ZyXvaIcQaYTTzJQt7yI99WrgaYrVFdfvpJmVg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "knollsonmain" wrote: > I should add that my wife is a wooden coaster fanatic, while I prefer > the incredible Intamin steel rides. She loves the Beast and the Mean > Sreak, and the kids are still formulating thier opinions. > > David and Alexa Knoll Wow, she LIKES Mean Streak? Now there's a dissenting opinion! I don't think that it is terrible myself, but it isn't near the top of my list, and most folks seem to dislike it with varying degrees of intensity. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 22:55:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13305 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 05:55:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:55:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:55:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:55:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tbplD0_ADbdwBd4AQxa-nLjKDkPmPGWfWc8V09sMPYbQr3uVHw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kristy Milo" wrote: > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ When planning coaster trips (in the US), I find that RCDB.com and a road atlas are an unbeatable combination. (Use the tree view, it will help you select all the parks in a single state at a time.) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 06 23:00:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75384 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 06:00:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:59:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2005 05:59:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:59:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 789 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aw9-ZdhYLvperLxw--T6PrH__NeraXeSQ9JM0YqiWERN1Efi_w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 wrote: > While I love living in Southern California for many reasons, and we > certainly have our fair share of good theme parks, for amusement > parks, and especially for wooden roller coasters, I envy those of you > who live in that swath of the country from Ohio to New Jersey or > thereabouts. It seems like practically every small town in > Pennsylvania has a traditional amusement park with a classic woodie or > two. > Adam About two years ago I hit 22 parks in 11 days, starting in Maryland, and passing through PA, NY and OH. I didn't hit every park out there, as I was focusing mostly on ACE coaster classics (Leap the Dips was the centerpiece for the trip) but I had a great time. As such I completly agree with your assessment of the region! Chris B From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Thu Jul 07 22:47:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32632 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 05:47:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:46:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:46:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=TK72EjXJUlPchMTM6gl4A8xvv0qLxThbU7GviSfpVW0DJzih6bp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain > > About two years ago I hit 22 parks in 11 days, starting in Maryland, > and passing through PA, NY and OH. I didn't hit every park out there, > as I was focusing mostly on ACE coaster classics (Leap the Dips was the > centerpiece for the trip) but I had a great time. As such I completly > agree with your assessment of the region! > > Chris B WOW! 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with the ACE club. Thanks for your response, Dave n Ali From knollsonmain@woh.rr.com Thu Jul 07 22:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: knollsonmain@woh.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32879 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 05:51:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:50:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 05:50:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:50:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.31.42.115 From: "knollsonmain" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185559164; y=R2hXGF7TVOJ6dQQ21pt1HMvKWRu3EnuDXegDUiHVmmfpZhUBnyKM X-Yahoo-Profile: knollsonmain > > I don't think that it is terrible myself, but it isn't near the top of > my list, and most folks seem to dislike it with varying degrees of > intensity. > > Chris B She has a bit of a mean streak herself :-), but she also likes the Son of Beast, which I compare to being mugged and beaten. Different strokes, right? I do like Mean Streak, cause it's a goog looong ride. David From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 07 23:35:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99970 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 06:35:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 06:32:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2005 06:32:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:32:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cnl6dvnQ9VcvF8i5SvFPp_YsCABr-6irew4JkUJXxT9Cz4WjKA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with > the ACE club. > > Thanks for your response, > > Dave n Ali I've been a member for two years, but I haven't been to an event yet as I've lived in Bahrain and Japan during that time frame. I think I'll be able to meet up with the ACE/ECC Japan tour this fall. Speaking of which, I've not been contacted lately by the group, did they end up having a drawing? Is anyone coming? I thought I remembered at least Beth mentioning (serious) interest. Chris B From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jul 08 05:58:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46348 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.203) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 12:58:34 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so368792rnf for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.22 with SMTP id p22mr1773193rnb; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507080558722ced93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:58:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=63x8Z7jjBfRduFbMxYJunkorxAgS1z9GLrVC3ibhIS8XwxH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I won't be attending, sorry Chris. The timing on payments up front at the beginning of the year was a little too much too soon. (was hoping to have the better part of the year to save up)... I'll get over there eventually, I'm running out of domestic coasters ;) I have a couple of friends who will be going on the ACE trip, and I think one of the other people on this board will be doing his own Japan trip without ACE though... On 7/8/05, Chris wrote: > > 22 Parks in 11 days? You rock. Maybe we should consider getting with > > the ACE club. > > > > Thanks for your response, > > > > Dave n Ali >=20 > I've been a member for two years, but I haven't been to an event yet as > I've lived in Bahrain and Japan during that time frame. I think I'll be > able to meet up with the ACE/ECC Japan tour this fall. Speaking of > which, I've not been contacted lately by the group, did they end up > having a drawing? Is anyone coming? I thought I remembered at least > Beth mentioning (serious) interest. >=20 > Chris B >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 08 14:50:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40934 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 21:50:47 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id r.5b.6d2f81a8 (15865) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942cef4cfa8; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:49:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:48:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42CEF4B7.5040208@aol.com> References: <20050706150441.98863.qmail@web53911.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PKI's relocated Flyers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ZGf_u7WYyuLc68D6G6n35-pcJ0BNw9XLCOjC6Ls1kRzwPhkTog X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lori Uhing wrote on 7/6/2005, 11:04 AM: > >From what I've heard, you may snap them. > > --- Brian Farral wrote: > > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the Flyers that > > were moved from > > PKI to Carowinds? Just wondering if they have been > > modified to > > prevent snapping or if they are just as good as > > ever. > > > > AFLAC!!! > > > > -Brian F. (Who completely wasted $35 on the Fun > > Spot last weekend) I have heard the same from several folks. BTW, I managed to get PKD's flyers to snap last week, early and aften too :) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoaster.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Jul 10 20:15:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97680 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2005 03:15:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 10273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=oXe0gbFzAACBGds7Izgvzj0HgRDurmIM68gmKQGcugJxLe8iKg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo July 9-10, 2005 Well, it has been a while since I have writen a report, and I really need to catch up, and I have a new keyboard that doesn't have sticky keys, so now I have no excuse. Besides, I have yet to write a report on Knoebels yet this year, so here goes. I would first like to say that, yes, I am ever so slightly insane. I was out late on Friday night, 'till just after midnight, and then I had to be up at 4:30 the next morning to work for a few hours, and then drive the three hours to the park, and have fun in the park all day. I managed ;-) I got to the park at noon and pulled into the campground. All I needed was a tent site, which was all they had left, and they all pretty much sucked. I got stuck with one right next to the bathroom. Oh well, next time when tit is that busy I will head over to Lake Glory or Mossy Point. I only need a night, so it would do. I headed into the park. Most folks would go right for the Phoenix, but me, nope, I head for the Flyers. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855427-M.jpg I don't know why, but I have just been having more fun on that ride then any other lately. Maybe it is a combination of having a skill at riding it (I managed to snap the Flying Eagles at PKD two weeks ago, and managed to do it alot) and the shear terror I get from the snapping. Today would not be a good day, however, because a Flyer Nazi was running the ride, "No snap for YOU!". It did not take me long to get the snapping going, and immediately it solicited a response from the operator, who stood up and starting pointing and yelling. Then he did the stupid thing and cut the engine while I was at the top of the stroke, I came crashing down on the hardest, loudest snap yet. I could feel the daggers shooting from his eyes as I left the ride. I slowly wandered the park, making my way over to the Skooters, picking up some parogis along the way. I got a solid ride, as usual, much crashing and cheers of delight was to be had, but the real joyful ride would come later that night. I basically spent some time photographing the park and wondering, wasting time until my friend Danielle (http://www.bennignus.com/) was to meet up with me by the Flyers. I headed back over there, a little early, getting another ride, this time being told as I got on that I was not to "whip the cables." I did, a little of course, it is almost impossible not to (I've seen empty cars snap before), but he seemed to calm down a little this time. I found Danielle in line for the Flyers when I got off, so I headed back in line. I warned her, much to her dismay, about this ride op, and we ended up riding together. After the ride I meet her husband, George, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855471-M.jpg and friends, John and Debbie. They had all been stuck for hours on I-80 in a construction zone, and were hungry, so we headed over to the International Food Court for some eats. I went Italian, having some penne pasta afrado. It was very good, the alfrado was nice and think, and not bland, close to perfect. Turns out, Danielle is the only one of the bunch that actually really enjoys rides, so she and I did most of the riding, but everyone else enjoyed the park as well. George, John and Debbie headed into the Mining Museum, while Danielle and I headed over to the Pheonix. It was running excellent today, loads of airtime everywhere, and just plain fun. Afterwards, we hit Fandango. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/22987955-M.jpg Personally, I think this is one of the better pendulium rides out there. It is fast and powerful, getting up to full swing quickly. Also the rotating motion is at just the right speed so that every seat gets to experiance to full range of sensations and G forces. Finally, it is as much a spectator sport as a ride. The ride swings right over the queue, and I don't mean just close with some space, I mean you look down and see the folks in line looking right back up at you. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/22987949-M.jpg This was a great choice for Knoebels, which was evidenced by the long line and loads of spectators standing around it. We headed back over to the museum and gathered everyone up. At this point it was starting to look a little cloudy, thick dark clouds were rolling in. We made our way to the Skooters, which everyone would ride, and made it in line just as the heavens opened up. After a few cycles we got on and had a great time. George T-boned me real good at one point. Still raining when we got off, we dash across to the Roaring Creek Saloon to spend some quarters on Skeeball, and then across to Playland to do the same. The rain still had not let up, so it was off to Facination for us. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855354-M.jpg I sat this one out, Knoebel's Facination parlor is a little too rich for me (50 cents a game), and the odds are about as good as Keno (in other words, they suck), so as soon as the rain let up, whihc it nearly was when we got there, Danielle and I hopped over to get some Twister time in. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855357-M.jpg This season the Twister has really been running well. This day was no exception. The heavy rain certainly helped maters, I think anyway, and boy was this coaster flying. Laterals, airtime, more laterals, airtime with hard laterals (gotta love that turn into the helix), it was just fantastic, it took my breath away. Headeding back to Facination to collect everyone, we found they were gone. A quick call revealed they had gone out to the main midway to ride the Giant Wheel, so in that direction we went. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855360-M.jpg With the exception of George, we all enjoyed a ride on the Skyride, up and then back down the mountain. Everyone was sorta hungry by this point, but not quite there yet. Danielle and Debbie wanted to check out the Carousel Museum, so we figured we would do that and then eat. Finally, after fiddling around with my camera, I have finally gotten the colors ajusted to really show off the figures in this museum, so I am: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855373-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855369-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855381-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855387-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855396-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855406-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855414-M.jpg Now we were hungry, so we went to the Alamo for dinner. I'd never eaten in the Alamo, and I've got to say, it was pretty good. The service was good, and the prices reasonable. We all had the famous chicken and waffles. Seperately, I liked them all, but once the gravy soaked into the waffles, I'd didn't really like that. The fries I had with it were fresh cut and good, and the baked beans were OK, tasty, but I've had much better. It was dusk when we came out, so we wondered across the way and got aboard the Pioneer Train. They were running three trains, so the wait was very short, as soon as one left, the next was pulling up. We saw no wildlife, but enjoyed the ride through the cool woods none the less. When we exited it was time for Debbie and John to take off. It was getting dark, and they had a long drive ahead of them back to Jersey City. They left and we made our way back towards the Skooters. It was getting dark now, and the lights were coming on. The park looks fantastic at night, as any park should. It becomes a whole different world. Let's take a look at that some: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855434-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855447-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855451-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855460-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855455-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/24652536-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/24652537-M.jpg Danielle and George took a spin on the High Speed Thrill Coaster, and then we all got in line for the Skooters. This was one of the best Skooter rides I had ever taken. There was a huge group ahead of us, we got the last three cars. The group were a bunch of roudy bikers, and they were having a blast. It was as if they were out for blood, there was lots of hard hitting, cheers and screams of joy. It was now getting pretty late, and we figured we would try to get one good flight on the Flyers. We went over, and there was the same ride op running the ride. We got on none the less, and snapped away. I guess he had just given up, or was ready to go home, as he just sat there. So, we rode again. We took it easy the first time, but really let loose the second go around, and had a great time, finally. We decided to retire to the campground for the night. I helped them set up their tent, we tried to make a fire that just would not stay lit, and then just hit the sack. The next morning I was awoken by the masses of campers headed to the showers right next to my site. I packed up and then headed over for some breakfast. George and Danielle met me over there, we ate, and then said our goodbyes. I was not going to stay around too much later then opening, planning to get a ride or two in and then take off. They headed off to Sunday services. I hung out until the park opened, and rode the Skooters, Grand Carousel, and Flyers again. The Flyers had a different ride op, who was worse then the one the day before, and kept slowing the ride down, and even stopping the ride. I tried to take it easy, but it does not take much to get a snap once the ride gets going. Oh well, I got off and hit the road. It was nice to finally meet Danielle, she is a sweetheart. George it quiet, but very friendly, and really opened up as the day went on. We all had a great time, not hard to do really. BTW, did I mention the park was very busy, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/27855350-M.jpg but lines were not bad at all. The full Photo gallery can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/650115 An intigrated photos report can be found here: http://www.themeparkcritic.com/Forums/ViewTopic.asp?TopicID=129289&ForumKey=9&PageID=1 Thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jul 10 21:00:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26829 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 04:00:54 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.20d.49a2a47 (18555) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20d.49a2a47.300348cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:00:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=uFe5R54jmBwv6iIJJ5n2wLud0pQoC7kg30FRS-1g9p8KxuXOA91D X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds great. Knoebels is my favorite park. I'm a little awed by the fact that you werent alowed to snap. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Jul 11 09:35:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38049 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (12.41.14.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 16:35:42 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <3B7STDZZ>; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: "'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:43:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 12.41.14.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=7QDCCw9krSwz5MOSWg0HqB80P2qxQ5tMulijHV1ZDRrA1mXxNg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 11 09:38:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82471 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 16:38:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1d4.3fb541a3 (3310) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d4.3fb541a3.3003fa5e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:37:50 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=XR6kywqAexrqlgoGVafyyf9Lfaw_YdmZbnbvyXO-BWf83DXYmcQq X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DAMN! I have Sony. ohj well, my SFNE season pass works just as well. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Mon Jul 11 14:15:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13691 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so999718wri for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr2376538wrb; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.79.19 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:15:15 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Ryan Snooks Reply-To: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=DLJThpkeZ7ExdPeyNXsBylipUxuOyU3hND7T0kujHsoKqoEsOQOPpOo X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Darn, I have an old Pentax camera, but we're going to SFMM tomorrow rather than Thursday. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com www.freewebs.com/xcoaster On 7/11/05, Jon Zucker wrote: > Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF > park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at > http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags >=20 > Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 17:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90429 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 00:09:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:09:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30507080558722ced93@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Am I spoiled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=OXLummKvyhDNZhJ8QjMY6t0B_ITwM4ic-8X8uPUNViC6KxMYmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: I'll get over there > eventually, I'm running out of domestic coasters ;) That's funny, because I'm starting to run out of Japanese coasters, and all these cool new rides are springing up at all the parks I've already been to back in the states! :) Chris B It's a good time to be a Coasterphile! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jul 11 19:06:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29231 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id r.12c.61968f77 (15863) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742d3259139a; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:06:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> Message-ID: <42D32579.1040305@aol.com> References: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F010475F7@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INFO: Free Six Flags pass for Pentax camera owners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=YA3ZzJt5x2153YDzzyoqAO_cKZUPXw3jYbryc28WMTJWeXhVDw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jon Zucker wrote on 7/11/2005, 12:43 PM: > Apparently, if you own any Pentax camera, you can get into any SF > park for free on "Pentax Thursdays." Check it out at > http://www.pentaximaging.com/sixflags > > Jon Z (new Nikon owner) The First Yeah, I saw that last time I was in the park. nice promotion, but I like my Nikon better too :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From mosspier@insightbb.com Tue Jul 12 10:56:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mosspier@insightbb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87418 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 17:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.222.150.87 From: "hoosierlandpark" Subject: Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146065720; y=NTFvDFeLjUJnNB_3mBAoTtD7LQ0rTbJc1R8yiivhbpvgfRqf0fUMSG3I X-Yahoo-Profile: hoosierlandpark Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should see more of these. From MrStratosphere@aol.com Tue Jul 12 11:30:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: MrStratosphere@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75146 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 18:30:43 -0000 Received: from MrStratosphere@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1d4.3fc9e0fd (57317) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d4.3fc9e0fd.3005640a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:58 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: MrStratosphere@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170560959; y=vUyqxXLRtU07E4qxnyRJ4vj3_muZKgYGnhVhIeQOeHPzKZnQRq-_ X-Yahoo-Profile: stratbigshot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/2005 10:57:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, mosspier@insightbb.com writes: Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should see more of these. Look at the Adventuredome here in Las Vegas, Instead of 115 + degrees its always 75 degrees in there. I think it is a great idea. Just needs to be bigger John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 12 11:31:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88473 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) (64.102.122.148) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2005 11:31:47 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,283,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="1483683:sNHT19563484" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6CIViVu011103 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:31:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C8768C1-D371-43D1-9BA9-3E0BB93A3784@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:31:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 18:31:44.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[F471E010:01C5870F] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Knoebels, July 9-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=HmiE2zd74P14EwyMgZ710y0Om-HmEapBRgvmEqoRv93x5TG3 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nathan, That was a great report, thanks so much. I'd love to make it out to Knoebels this summer, but unfortunately I just don't see it happening. Next year is a different story, though! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Avalanches above, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** business continues below. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From garg@ghost.de Tue Jul 12 12:35:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: garg@ghost.de X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19814 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 19:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 19:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.171) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 19:35:13 -0000 Received: from p5496AE2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.150.174.45] (helo=catalyst) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1DsQXA2oKK-0007Jh; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: <013d01c58718$a828faf0$13b2a8c0@catalyst> To: References: <3C8768C1-D371-43D1-9BA9-3E0BB93A3784@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:34:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:3fbd3539ecb6db74510b710451bacbc0 X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Max A. Kern" Subject: Teen hospitalized after riding Tower of Terror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216627; y=g7DtxuHhdkZLF_AabgUoCzAYs6hbTaHgtTnP0MB9_6fWFw X-Yahoo-Profile: gargmuc A British teen, 16, is at Celebration Hospital in Kissimmee after falling ill at the Tower of Terror ride at Disney-MGM Studios, said Orange County Sheriff's office spokesman Jim Solomons. The teen, whose identity has yet to be released, was exiting the ride with her mother at 9:50 a.m. today when she complained she was feeling unwell. Disney employees approached the girl and called paramedics because she needed medical attention, Solomons said. Paramedics arrived at 9:57 a.m. to transport her to the hospital. The teen lost consciousness and heart function, but medical personnel revived her, Solomons said. She is being evaluated for a prior medical condition, and the ride is being tested for malfunctions. The incident comes less than a month after a 4-year-old boy from Pennsylvania collasped on Epcot's Mission: Space ride and later died. The boy, Daudi Bamuwamye, was visiting the park on June 13, and authorities are awaiting results of an autopsy before saying what caused his death. (c) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/orl-bk-tower071205,0,6479007.story?coll=orl-home-headlines From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 13:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2810 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 20:42:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 20:41:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2005 20:41:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:41:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: MISC: I'm baaaack! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mrFyLby95wggDgdnINOpjjdwugMkZKD5qENAWvEY2fD3sSc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, It feels like forever (and with all of the posts, it's going to take me forever), even thought I've been gone for only 3 weeks. I was in Northern California. I have a huge TR to put together. SO, I better get cracken (Marine World, Santa Cruz Boardwalk, Bonfante Gardens, and PGA. Plus, my usual touring stuff). I hope to have pics available soon. -Alan From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 12 14:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20060 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.214.48ff2be (15877) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542d434193d8; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:20:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D43400.5080400@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: I'm baaaack! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=vVSryWr9LwN0knqFVo8mSZBjfiuB0VwLWrwPzyCQtmasXR1qTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo aelk2004 wrote on 7/12/2005, 4:41 PM: > Well, > It feels like forever (and with all of the posts, it's going to take me > forever), even thought I've been gone for only 3 weeks. > > I was in Northern California. I have a huge TR to put together. SO, I > better get cracken (Marine World, Santa Cruz Boardwalk, Bonfante > Gardens, and PGA. Plus, my usual touring stuff). I hope to have pics > available soon. > > -Alan OH NO!! Run, hide the children, Alan is back! Seriously, good to have you back, looking forward to the TR's, expecially Bonfante Gardens. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 12 18:03:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91909 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 01:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 01:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 01:03:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:05:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200507121805.AA2383610016@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Along for the ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=VUUS8U0fDts_kjgFC5FETVh8QOG61XpJAQVEe9Wq3CmhUDnyiuzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's a good article about an ACE event in the Wisconsin Dells: > http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/people/jul05/338823.asp < Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 12 18:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70953 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:08:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200507121808.AA2103050542@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: TR: Canobie Lake, 7-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=O0rlZGE-XmzWVjrkXYzmkAmoCp_5I-hhN7xL8n8gahdKPPJSPoap X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme As usual, the full trip report and photos can be found at > http://www.karenandjay.com < I used a different camera and I wasn't too happy with the results. But you'll get the idea... Jay ===== On a beautiful 90+ degree day, Karen and I made our annual pilgrimage to Canobie Lake Park in Salem, New Hampshire. We had gotten two one-day passes at a discount through Costco. The park in past visits had always been a delight. In fact, it was where I took Karen on our first date ten years ago. I didn't know if much had changed for this season, and I was pleasantly surprised by what I found. The park's entrance, located on North Policy Road in a residential area, always seemed so understated. The colorful letters above the entrance led to a non-descript parking area, much as it had since the 1930s. Happily, Canobie still offered free parking. The dogleg of the Yankee Cannonball greeted us there. It appeared to have a lot of new trackwork. The turnaround seemed to have been altered slightly, with a noticeable dip in its middle. It was almost like a half-hearted Bill Cobb hoop-de-doo. We arrived at about 11 a.m., and there were already quite a few cars in the parking lot. That was encouraging for a Monday, which traditionally is a slow day for amusement parks. Although the gates technically opened at 11, very few rides operated until noon. As we approached the gates, we could hear the carousel's band organ playing nearby. I really liked hearing it, instead of the canned music that's at so many other parks. Immediately inside the entrance was the big swimming pool. Once popular at so many parks across the nation, Canobie has been one of the few to keep theirs in good shape through the years. It still attracted a lot of swimmers too. Karen and I could hear the familiar splash to our left. We headed toward the Policy Pond Sawmill. Set into the ground in a meticulously landscaped area, this flume ride has always been one of my favorites. It was more like a Lazy River ride than a flume, casually gliding along its gently curving course. A nice touch was the giant teepee, which was shared with the Kiddie Canoe ride. Kids might think they'd pop out on the other side of the teepee and drift away down the flume's trough. After that refreshing splash, we walked next door to the Mine of the Lost Souls. I never knew what to expect from that dark ride. It had so many high-tech effects, that something almost always wasn't working. This time through, the raging water at the end was the only malfunction. The eerie headless man was back. He had disappeared last season, possibly for repair. Even the disturbing crypt scene worked flawlessly. I had thought the dead person who spoke there was an animatronic. But it always seemed too freakishly real. I think it was actually done with a video projection of an actor. Either way, it was very effective. We walked through the wonderfully themed Old Canobie section. The renovation of the Pirate Ship had been completed, and it looked great. There was even a comical pirate clinging to the bow. We turned left after the ship, and came face to face with the park's new addition, Castaway Island. It was a jaw-dropper, as if we had suddenly stepped onto a Tahitian island complete with palm trees and beach sand. The only clue we were still at Canobie came from the Corkscrew coaster to our right. The area wasn't massive, but it was certainly packed with plenty to do. There was the requisite water play area with the giant tipping bucket (which emptied much more frequently than others I've seen). There was a humorous refreshment bar inside the mouth of a giant comical shark. The entrance to Castaway Island was through a hole in the side of a volcano. But most impressive of all was the attention to detail in the theming. Bamboo was everywhere. There were appropriately themed benches, grass huts. There was even a themed photo booth! The theming seemed to have crept a bit down the midway as well. Next door, the "Alpine Swings" had been given some bamboo, making them appear a far cry from Switzerland. But the Jungle Bounce fit right in. Even one of the oldest buildings in the park, the old roller rink, was spruced up. Two huge rolling doors were partly opened, and we even got a rare peek inside. The building still appeared to be used mainly for storage, but it appeared to be in good shape. By that point it was getting near noon and we were hungry, so we headed over to Portofino's, the park's indoor eatery. All the food in the park is concessioned out to the giant food service company Sodhexo, which does a really good job. We passed by the Dancehall Theater, which was featuring The King Lives!, yet another Elvis tribute. We saw that one a few years ago, and it was very well done. The performer did an excellent job recreating Elvis' Vegas years, unlike the lame imitation at The Great Escape. But we didn't need to see it again. Besides, we were inundated with Elvis everywhere in the park. There was Elvis merchandise in all the gift shops and even a prominent Elvis pinball machine in the arcade. Just past the theater was another nice Canobie touch, a stone fountain near Da Vinci's Dream. The park was brimming with beautiful plantings and displays. When we arrived at Portofino's it hadn't opened, so we took a trip on the always peaceful Sky Ride, over the top of the stone fountain (the oldest structure in the park) and the rare classic Caterpillar ride, still in perfect condition. In fact, all the rides were in great shape. Karen commented that everything looked freshly painted. Portofino's opened up, and we each ordered some tasty pizza. I looked out at the lake, but didn't see the Canobie Queen, the park's double-deck paddlewheeler. Last year it sat at the dock, stripped down to its skeleton. This year it was nowhere to be seen. But there was a small metal flat-bottomed boat with a canvas top sitting there. The sign at the dock still said Canobie Queen but the map listed it as the Blue Heron. We passed by the lakeside train stop, which had yellow caution tape stretched all around it and a sign that read, "This attraction temporarily closed." But within a couple of minutes, the train came rolling on by and stopped there. We waited on the dock for the boat and got a seat right in the front. We actually liked this ride more than the old Canobie Queen. The Blue Heron moved faster through the water, but it was smoother (even with choppy waves) and gave a longer ride at a faster speed, covering more of the lake. We were treated to views of the many expensive homes situated along the shoreline populated by people who complain about Canobie's noise level. (Since the park's been there well over a hundred years, the residents should have been well aware of the situation before buying a house there!) What amazed me about the panoramic view we got, was how unobtrusive the park was. It was pretty much hidden away by trees and nearly silent. All that could be seen were parts of the Corkscrew and the Boston Tea Party, plus a couple of buildings on the shore and the beautiful Da Vinci's Dream ride. After that restful and breezy twenty minute trip, we strolled into the Lake Arcade and played a Simpson's pinball machine. Then we walked over to the gift shop next to The Wharf restaurant. I was amused at the theming of the Fascination arcade next to it, with its flashing "Jackpot" sign, glitzy glitter backdrop and jazzy soundtrack of Sinatra and Tony Bennett. The gift shop had a few new items that we noted, to purchase before we left. They also still had a few of the Seabreeze hats that were sent to them by mistake last year. We then passed by the old rocket ship ride, which was now a giant decoration on the midway. I was amused to find that they had placed Kozmo next to it. Kozmo used to be the "mascot" at the old Klaus Satellite Jet ride, which was replaced a few seasons ago by the Starblaster Double Shot tower. I really appreciated how the owners of Canobie treasure its history. I think that has helped the park remain unique in our otherwise mass-produced world. The Antique Car ride had a really long line, so we passed on that. The ride would have been pleasant, but very short. I wish they would extend its track so that it ran alongside the dogleg of the Yankee Cannonball. They could even weave the ride in and out of the Cannonball's structure, like Knoebel's did with their car ride. We stopped into the big arcade. A man named Dave Cook used to keep all of Canobie's antique arcade machines in top shape. But he left several years ago, and many of the old machines weren't working on our visit. In fact, many of the new machines weren't working either. We played the Elvis machine (which was quite fun). I got one of Canobie's typically delicious fresh-squeezed lemonades. Then we walked over to the stretch of games near the Yankee Cannonball. One caught Karen's eye. It was a fairly standard ball-rolling game, where various small themed objects (like horses or cars) advance horizontally along tracks, as if they're racing. This one was themed to the Yankee Cannonball and called Coaster Chase. So we sat down with several other people to play. I didn't think I was having too much luck. My ball keep drifting around and rolling into the "Low" hole with every other throw. The bell went off, and it turned out I won! I chose a Marge Simpson doll for Karen (she likes Marge's hair). We needed some cooling off after that, so we headed for The Boston Tea Party, possible the greatest Shoot the Chute ride ever built. I was still astounded by the gargantuan splash this tiny ride made, drenching much of the surrounding midway. That whole area displayed the park's meticulous attention to detail, from the cobblestone walkways to the giant fish (cod?) hanging from the Fried Clam shack. We queued up for the ride and in a few cycles were seated in the front of one of the big boats. The lift was swift, that strange plexiglass cage around the drop still seemed weird, but our splashdown was spectacular, completely drenching everyone. We then crossed the midway to the Yankee Whaler ice cream shop. I got a dish of coffee ice cream and it was the best I'd ever had, rich and flavorful. We stopped into the gift shop across the way. They had one of those brown "Images of America" historical picture books that so many cities, towns and amusement parks have. This one featured Canobie Lake, so I had to get a copy. Then we decided it was time to hop a ride on the Yankee Cannonball. I've mentioned in the past how much I've enjoyed this coaster, and also how unfortunate it was that the park can't allow patrons to line up for whatever seat they want. The station's curving design, with the transfer track opposite the loading area, simply couldn't accomodate it. So Karen and I got in line and crossed our fingers. While we were in line, a father was attempting to get his son to go on the coaster. The son was resisting quite strongly. The father finally wrestled him into the line against his will, until the boy's mother came and rescued him. While we were waiting in line, a new show began on the Kiddieland Stage where Bozo usually performed. It was a Britney Spears tribute and it really didn't seem to fit in with the park's wholesome family atmosphere at all, especially in that location. Luckily, the queue moved quickly and soon Karen and I were third in line. Then there was a pause, and the attendants helped on a handicapped family who filled the back car. We were let in, and the three people in front of us grabbed the front car. So Karen and I sat in the front seat of the middle car. The only real problem with that was that the tall headrests on the seats in front of us obstructed our views. The ride operator, who sounded as if he was from Scotland, dispatched us promptly. The trip was swift and smooth, and even in the middle was filled with airtime. The new turnaround felt a little bumpy. In about 50 seconds the ride was over. We walked back toward the entrance, and I had to do a double take where the old Crystal Maze was. It was now called the Tikimaze and was lined with bamboo. It had been given a fresh paint job, making it delighfully tough to navigate through. One kid in front of me was hurrying along, saying to his sister, "Just follow me! I know how to get through this no problem!" And then he ran headlong into a glass wall. I collided with one as well. It was the best time I had in a mirror maze in many years. Behind the Tikimaze was the new Chance Wipeout ride, with a surfer theme. Again the detailing was terrific, with a 3-D surfer riding a wave over the entrance and a giant starfish on top of the ride. Next to it was another nicely themed shop called Surf's Up. The giant fake palm trees surrounding it looked convincingly real. There was even nice detailing behind the shop, with fake herons lounging on the beach. As we passed the Skeeball arcade and the Bebop Diner, I felt strangely disoriented. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I knew something wasn't quite right. The old Rowdy Rooster skooter ride was there, as was the Tilt-a-Whirl. And then it suddenly hit me: the Galaxi coaster was gone. It had dominated that section of the midway for as long as I could remember. And in its place was...nothing. There was a vast expanse of red concrete where the coaster's structure had been. There were a few small portable concession stands placed around the perimeter, and only a couple of them were open. But then I noticed at the far end of the concrete, where the loading station for the Galaxi used to be, was a new ride placed cross-wise. It was a standard Vekoma Skater, basically a large variant of their popular Rockin' Tug ride. I stared at it for a while. It seemed fairly popular. There was a long line in the makeshift queue. But it looked out-of-place. Everything else in the park had been so well-themed. The Skater didn't fit the area very well (both physically and thematically) and looked like it was somehow a mistake. In fact, it wasn't even listed on the park map. (There was just a blank grassy area.) Everything looked so incomplete, I wondered if Canobie had other plans for that area and if this was just temporary. Karen and I walked around to the back of the Canobie 500 car ride to get another look at the Skater. The long platform spun rocked back and forth on the banana-shaped track. Some people standing nearby were watching it in awe, saying, "That's wicked! You're not getting me on that!" Although it was impressive to watch, I was disappointed with how poorly it fit into the rest of the park. The Corkscrew felt that way, too. With everything else so heavily themed (and in that area, almost exclusively with bamboo), why couldn't they have gotten a ride that matched the theme? Why a skateboard? Why not a surfboard? Canobie had set the bar pretty high for themselves. With so much spectacular theming in the park, anything less stuck out like a sore thumb. I hoped that this was temporary. It was one of the few times I'd seen a park remove a coaster to put in a flat ride. Perhaps eventually a Vekoma coaster was destined for that area. We queued up for the Giant Sky Wheel, which was loading very slowly. But in a few minutes were were taking a pleasant long ride high above the park, admiring the view. When we first rode this together a decade ago, "I love Jay" was inexplicably written on our cab's post. Though the cabs have all been replaced in the intervening years, we still remember that coincidence fondly. We strolled along the midway once more, not wanting to leave. On the Kiddieland Stage was a frequent performer, one of the park's two peacocks. During our many visits over the years, a peacock somehow always seemed to get up onto that stage during the day and stand there as if it was in a fashion show. We noticed that the Round Up, painted a bright yellow, wasn't running. The Dodgem building next to it appeared to have been repainted to blend in better with the Tiki theme across the midway. The old Matterhorn seemed to disappear behind the trees. No loud music announced its location as at so many other parks. There was only the ever-present sound of the nearby carousel's band organ (which happened to be playing the theme from the Muppet Show). We headed back home at about 5 p.m., quite satisfied with our day. Even with its few minor flaws, Canobie Lake must rank as the most beautiful recreation area in the northeast. The management has continually shown an attention to detail and a commitment to a quality guest experience. We loved the food. We loved the shade. The workers were unfailingly polite and friendly. And the cost to get in was very reasonable (even if we didn't have the discount from Costco). By the size of the crowd there, it looked like a lot of people felt that way as well. May Canobie have another 100 successful years! ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 19:17:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66563 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:17:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:17:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Indoor Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Wx5chxLeui0zbn8rE6AE6AzXXxKK9c1j3jaTc9HX39qUtX6NPw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "hoosierlandpark" wrote: > Does anyone else here think these are good ideas? Particulary in areas > where the weather doesn't cooperate year round? > > Camp Snoopy is an example of a successful operation. I think we should > see more of these. Later today I'll be posting a TR for Aqua Stadium in Tokyo, an indoor Mini-sized Aquarium / Amusement park. Also, see my TR for Lotte World, a full sized indoor park in Seoul last year. Chris B Who's trip to Nagashima Spa Land is delayed. :( From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 19:29:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63645 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 02:29:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:29:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507121808.AA2103050542@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Canobie Lake, 7-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GWXOmAGOos3-tSNxvm3c8jZpFmIGDkdlax0N6ArpTZB0yL0YQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: Even with its few minor flaws, Canobie Lake must rank as the most beautiful recreation area in the northeast. The management has continually shown an attention to detail and a commitment to a quality guest experience. We loved the food. We loved the shade. The workers were unfailingly polite and friendly. And the cost to get in was very reasonable (even if we didn't have the discount from Costco). By the size of the crowd there, it looked like a lot of people felt that way as well. May Canobie have another 100 successful years! Um, wow. I grew up with Canobie as my home park, (my parents still live 30 minutes away.) and it seems that it has really been improved lately. I can't wait to check it out again. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 23:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85837 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 06:44:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Mini TR: Aqua Stadium / Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=UaKOEeI-iPgekKczelPIBLf2151_5MUzPi8O9ZVGTNAKQtTmqw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 In a personal record, this is submitted less than 24 hours after the park visit! 12 July 2005 Weather: N/A (Indoor park) Total cost: 1240 yen for transportation, 2000 yen for two rides on GE9 and 957 yen for a cell phone dangle and a postcard. (about $40 total) This mini park at the Shinagawa Prince Hotel is entirely indoors on the 2nd and 3rd floors of the new executive tower at the hotel. The upper floor is a small aquarium with a dolphin show and a sea lion show. The lower floor has a movie theatre, a motion simulator with six - ten person vehicles sharing one large screen, a very well themed swinging ship, a gorgeous carousel with marine animals, and my reason for coming: Galaxy Express 999. The entry gate is very tall, and there is quite a bit of theming to this coaster. The anime series Captain Harlock and Galaxy Express 999 movies are used throughout the entrance, a very cheesy animatronic display (about 2 minutes), and a short animated movie (another 4 minutes) setting you up for the coaster to come. (It's an interstellar space train that you are about to ride to the andromeda galaxy.) The two dark maroon Intamin trains are 30 passenger trains and are articulated between each row of two green seats. The restraints consist of the same seat belt / lap bar combination found on Intamin hypers before the ejection at SFNE. This coaster is listed on RCDB as an accelerator model with hydraulic launch, which is the same system indicated for Top Thrill Dragster, etc. but this coaster launched feels different IMO. You begin by rolling quickly out of the station by tires under the train (at least there's one in front of the lead car before you leave the station) , and negotiate a banked, hairpin right turn before being boosted at 55 km/h (34.2 mph) through a single vertical loop. Many websites have touted Kanonen as being the first Intamin launched coaster with a vertical loop, but this coaster opened a full 15 days earlier, albeit to a whole lot less fanfare. After the loop, the coaster makes a large counter-clockwise circle, a hairpin right turn through the eye of the loop, and a large clockwise circle before stopping shortly before the station, and then proceeding slowly into it. The whole ride is over in about 50 seconds or so, and the ride has several star light effects and one projection screen, although I can't remember what was on it. (Less than 3 hours after riding, no less.) This reminded me of Space Mountain, but these stars were nicer than those, including a very colorful galaxy spiraling as you hurtle past it is also darker than SM for most of the ride. One cool thing to note: As a space saving measure, the two large circles that the track makes actually are circling the dolphin show tank, although I could only tell by comparing the maps of the two floors! Although nothing to be particularly excited about in this day of 100+ mph and 400 foot tall monsters, and there are coasters with more feeling and more inversions, but hey! This well themed, compact coaster is inside a downtown hotel's back tower! I wish I knew enough Japanese to get the whole of the story before the ride, and thus really get the full experience. This makes two launched Intamins without a tophat. Chris B From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 12 23:51:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29084 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 06:51:47 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.7f.61f4631e (3858) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7f.61f4631e.300613f7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:51:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Aqua Stadium / Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=QXpTQZI5YQc8BhCkVomQhX14MQHVZNc57fFFnmkUih95e07olw0C X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds....interesting. You are right, if you knew more Japanese It probably would have been better. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 09:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45814 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=COkH1mHDKs-kOE87oXqZHLHbmuMR8ZioWjf5-6im2mpG2QxY1UAV X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Did you see this? http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the people. Looks Incredible. We'll have to see if it can unseat my #1 wood Raven and #2 wood Hades. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. Maybe taking advantage of the free pentax offer at SFFT tomorrow. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 09:59:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53961 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 16:59:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:53:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 16:53:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:53:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33D8384A-7DA2-4E10-8BF4-997D16BF4BEF@rpi.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1PKtvZNW6OHRxWwHdjXx1GzSBh2KA-lOqSdmXIQ1jvEWITc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mike, Good "TR (sort of)". I have very similar comments to make about SF Marine World. Hopefully I'll have that up soon. -Alan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Wed Jul 13 10:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3108 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.216.4aa1f74 (3858) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:42:26 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=gbbUmLXibJoRhG4SeWqbt4HIJbS4TD-E3yOS3JGxySP3JjyAV43x X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! This ride looks insane! -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:58:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31132 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 17:58:42 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so267425rnf for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.9 with SMTP id h9mr1026835rng; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071310585254fde5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:58:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <216.4aa1f74.3006ac82@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=UejFR0rAxKqlm2KRf8c6ttB_VgFxXUbOvKTjaepCaAci-nRH X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's definitely something to look forward to. Didn't know how they would top themselves and they managed to pull this one out of the bag. Looks like Timbers and Tremors had a little fling ;) Can't wait! From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 13 11:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85756 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 18:38:57 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2005 11:38:57 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6DIcsvO014741 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:38:55 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:38:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:38:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 18:38:54.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F65E940:01C587DA] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JsCqZQSWOcn5r6EiT6RtYc4mgpVQoqy6FEY8V42_gtaniFEZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Woah .. OBSCENE! I don't suppose GCI is building it?! Cameron. On Jul 13, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Brian Farral wrote: > Did you see this? > > http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html > > I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster > anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the > people. > > Looks Incredible. We'll have to see if it can unseat my #1 wood Raven > and #2 wood Hades. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > Maybe taking advantage of the free pentax offer at SFFT tomorrow. > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 13 12:01:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73777 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 19:01:44 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2005 12:01:43 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,287,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="648364858:sNHT27518400" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6DJ1Xop025140 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:34 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <72F0A759-4FBC-447F-AAA7-5E8630EE8ACD@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:00:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 19:00:34.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[25C1FEC0:01C587DD] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Costco vs Walmart... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=MTCtyIFvhR_OtUh_iGRe8FM1Y2bzUlES2XA_ExQPNDFIvoc_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, This isn't as off topic as you'd think. This great article explains how Costco is doing so well pushing the "pay people better and they'll work harder and do a better job" philosophy. Many (myself included) believe that the big corporate parks need to adapt a similar practice. Plus I simply loath Walmart, so I enjoyed the article on that grounds too :-) http://www.laborresearch.org/print.php?id=391 Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Is there any * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** escape from noise? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:46:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32714 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.197) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so319742rne for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.208.40 with SMTP id f40mr142395rng; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071315461ab76f6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:46:41 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=99itAKalL7foaC2qVdzLxIwKwVOLNFhak3qws4NmrjJ5mXaw X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Gravity Group, Cam.=20 On 7/13/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Woah .. OBSCENE! >=20 > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! >=20 > Cameron. > From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Jul 13 15:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9883 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:48:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.18]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-742d59a3938c; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:48:25 -0500 Received: from [172.150.115.181] (AC9673B5.ipt.aol.com [172.150.115.181]) by smtp-rtc03.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DMmHZ3030081 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:48:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:51:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.18 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=L1xa2sVQ3hZH_8kZ8n7863Q0oPUAka67rAHd9C6weCVu4_ecU_37 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Woah .. OBSCENE! > > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! I'd bet on the Gravity Group... not sure if thats what you meant. I wonder how it will hold up after a couple years, or if they are using composite track like Intamin did... some pretty huge drops, and lots of speed. Looks like a good ride... but its strange, with this layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder why they didn't just build a steel coaster. I mean, I know they seem to like wood coasters and everything, but to me this ride looks like it would be better as a steel coaster.... it would be a lot easier to maintain in the long run, and give a smoother ride after a couple of years, unless they really go crazy maintaining it. Mike From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Jul 13 15:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49772 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 22:57:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.84]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN8-942d59c4d1d2; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:57:17 -0500 Received: from [172.150.115.181] (AC9673B5.ipt.aol.com [172.150.115.181]) by smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DMvC9q007979 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:57:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57B94C06-6AA1-4ADA-84BC-0EC639044B2D@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:00:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.84 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR (Sort of): SFGAd - Friday, June 24 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=cTZoaR-n_eN6Ndu8E-J8lBAdYgRBwoKF1k0IghxO9eY9o_-xnpsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Mike, > Good "TR (sort of)". > I have very similar comments to make about SF Marine World. > Hopefully I'll have that up soon. > -Alan Look forward to reading it... hopefully SFGAd isn't the only SF park trying to make improvements. Great Escape seems in between after reading Jay's TR. Mike From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 13 16:56:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63599 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:50 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.c.48cf882e (15865) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942d5aa271ae; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:56:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:55:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42D5AA0F.4000900@aol.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gUWTFOHAA9nTxoI8GAQEpF1a4WmSnjfusa4JY98MWD6M_SrndQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/13/2005, 2:38 PM: > Woah .. OBSCENE! > > I don't suppose GCI is building it?! > > Cameron. That is about the best single word to describe it. My money is on Gravity Group building this one. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41992 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:56:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305071310585254fde5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 462 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fJINLRMRqnp_s_CsEQWFWJcNwKdPXq1hzSihdvkPp5qYm-btoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wrote: > It's definitely something to look forward to. Didn't know how they > would top themselves and they managed to pull this one out of the bag. > Looks like Timbers and Tremors had a little fling ;) Can't wait! I was more thinking Beast / Hades. This thing looks like it is going to stretch out into the next county! Now I have ANOTHER reason to get to Santa Claus, IN! Chris B From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 13 17:10:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92069 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 00:10:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.66.5af0bd60 (15875) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0342d5ad621e6; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:10:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:09:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> References: <8506A362-9661-4DB9-B257-1CA8D50109D6@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=Ylokbs4MJwTFb7ZlaLLLglFi1uXyxdYpEB7BAmZIvg6Q8VLIEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mike Filippone wrote on 7/13/2005, 6:51 PM: > I'd bet on the Gravity Group... not sure if thats what you meant. I > wonder how it will hold up after a couple years, or if they are using > composite track like Intamin did... some pretty huge drops, and lots > of speed. Looks like a good ride... but its strange, with this > layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder > why they didn't just build a steel coaster. I mean, I know they seem > to like wood coasters and everything, but to me this ride looks like > it would be better as a steel coaster.... it would be a lot easier to > maintain in the long run, and give a smoother ride after a couple of > years, unless they really go crazy maintaining it. > > Mike Judging from the way they maintain their other two wooden coasters, they will keep it running very well. I think the reason why word over steel is simple, economics. It is much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster then a large steel coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty darn expensive. Plus, given the park's experience running and maintaining wooden coasters, they have the know how to keep this monster running well. Looks like next year is going to be a stellar year for wood coaster fans. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jul 13 17:59:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59147 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 00:59:36 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.15b.54c6f252 (4418) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15b.54c6f252.300712f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:59:33 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gravity Group is a great coaster company, and Jeff Hamersley of Holiday World is about the best there is when it comes to maintaining wood coasters! He has done a tremendous job over the last few years with Legand and Raven. He knows how to make them run properly and to their full maximum. I have no doubt, he will keep this one in the same shape and keep it running to full max in years to come! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 18:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56977 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 01:46:52 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DssoE-0001BQ-Df for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <42D5C3FF.7020304@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:46:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d97e726e8d416ef21ccdbfb3fd1566b82350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FtYUP9KT_rmpoGgBwro499-ijeeg1GdY_uHNLqkOvanfNL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brian Farral wrote: > Did you see this? > > http://www.holidayworld.com/new2006.html Just got in from work. All I can say so far is, "Wow!" Looks incredible. > > I gotta say, I really didn't think they'd build another coaster > anytime soon, seeing as how it's the waterpark that brings in all the > people. Yeah, but as much growth as they've had over the last few years, it was time to add some major improvements to the regular park, not just the water park. Looks like a great move overall. Just curious, did anyone else watch the videos, in particular of the news conference? The coaster looks fantastic, with a great mix of out and back and some twisting around in the wood. Hugely long, lots of air- looks like something for everyone. And was it just me, or did the people screaming at the news conference get annoying to anyone else? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jul 13 22:00:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3740 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 05:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 05:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 05:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28055 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 04:59:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714045927.28054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 13 Jul 2005 23:59:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=dhpw-QJwMD8UljqSrZ9ciUhA4GtCAM8dP5o2ZJ-3pIGgKU2e X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Kristy and the group, The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a significant problem with its information. Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their coasters. > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > Thanks! > ~Kristy~ Dave Rounds From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jul 13 23:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78139 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 06:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 31917 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 06:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 14 Jul 2005 01:58:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=j4VAaEejJC4iAPJp8XvD6vpLbx2ig0APHpN6GJ-65kgVs_6H X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Just a few quick comments about trip... Rode the three big coasters (Hades, Zeus and Cyclops) and four of the go-cart tracks. Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. The back seat gives a very intense ride, especially in the tunnel. Nick has another winner with this coaster. Was able to get in eight rides on it and it now places in my top 25. The back seat of Cyclops is still just as intense as ever and the coaster is running just as good as ever. I cannot say the same thing for the Zeus coaster. It is still providing a ride with as much air time as ever but is showing its age in an unfortunate way--it is getting quite rough, possibly to the point that it is in need of retracking. It is so rough that if I were rating it today, the roughness would out-weigh the airtime and feeling of speed that made it so good in the past seasons. I still enjoy the go-cart tracks much the way I did many years ago. (Yes I did ride go-carts at Big Chief, when all his tracks were at the former location just off the strip on Highway A.) My only comment about the go-carts is the remark I received from a teenager (and his dad) following our ride on one of the tracks (don't remember the track name). The track was one with the left-hand and right-hand spirals. When we were exiting the track, the kid was mad at me because he thought that I had cut him off twice going into the turns. The interesting fact was that his dad then told me that he saw one of the two "incidents" and that he saw nothing wrong with my racing style. The three of us then discussed the events and boy then realized why he ended up getting passed by several other carts. Dave Rounds p.s., Rode Avalanche (at Timber Falls) and found that it also is running much better than just after it opened last summer. From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jul 14 00:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3228 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 07:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32756 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jul 2005 07:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714070207.32755.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 14 Jul 2005 02:02:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 216.250.14.55 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=jKSoZzTMVULXPje0seeqgJ6jW0b44Nv52hsRoC3CY3BFVny5 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Just a few quick comments about trip... Rode the three big coasters (Hades, Zeus and Cyclops) and four of the go-cart tracks. Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. The back seat gives a very intense ride, especially in the tunnel. Nick has another winner with this coaster. Was able to get in eight rides on it and it now places in my top 25. The back seat of Cyclops is still just as intense as ever and the coaster is running just as good as ever. I cannot say the same thing for the Zeus coaster. It is still providing a ride with as much air time as ever but is showing its age in an unfortunate way--it is getting quite rough, possibly to the point that it is in need of retracking. It is so rough that if I were rating it today, the roughness would out-weigh the airtime and feeling of speed that made it so good in the past seasons. I still enjoy the go-cart tracks much the way I did many years ago. (Yes I did ride go-carts at Big Chief, when all his tracks were at the former location just off the strip on Highway A.) My only comment about the go-carts is the remark I received from a teenager (and his dad) following our ride on one of the tracks (don't remember the track name). The track was one with the left-hand and right-hand spirals. When we were exiting the track, the kid was mad at me because he thought that I had cut him off twice going into the turns. The interesting fact was that his dad then told me that he saw one of the two "incidents" and that he saw nothing wrong with my racing style. The three of us then discussed the events and boy then realized why he ended up getting passed by several other carts. Dave Rounds p.s., Rode Avalanche (at Timber Falls) and found that it also is running much better than just after it opened last summer. From kristyjsm@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 05:41:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: kristyjsm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86242 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:39:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050714045927.28054.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.189.25.169 From: "Kristy Milo" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=148949892; y=KEtSbJatYJ5qON1VGHd_Gq8b5Bdgm75oiUB5C0sM4Nyohb6f X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and within reasonable driving distance. We'd like to take some short mini-vacations 3-4 days and check out some of the parks. A couple years ago we drove out to Cedar Point and stopped at a few on the way and back. We're considering Cedar Point again. Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds" wrote: > Kristy and the group, > The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) > according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). > Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its > accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a > significant problem with its information. > Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many > different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their > coasters. > > > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > > > Thanks! > > ~Kristy~ > Dave Rounds From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 14 08:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94441 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 11:06:25 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="62318736:sNHT25346820" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EF6OVu016454 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:06:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:06:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 15:06:24.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[99D86210:01C58885] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KMXs4vcwq-Ih7Wq4ljK35fhiNw0IrwShV_iPMjeRX5ocog4F X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > Hades is running much better than it was on may 29th. Great news! When I was there in May I thought Hades should have been giving much better rides than it was .. I knew it would pick up as it broke in, nice to see that's occurring. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jakersw22@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 08:33:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28667 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.75) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14443 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714153258.14441.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.208.73.57] by web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:32:58 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=NgfdLMy-N4L3O4YIvuhoxENpjDLKDTIOkJLhwp__gseZuoX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I really suggest Bucsh Gardens in Willamsburg Va. Kristy Milo wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and within reasonable driving distance. We'd like to take some short mini-vacations 3-4 days and check out some of the parks. A couple years ago we drove out to Cedar Point and stopped at a few on the way and back. We're considering Cedar Point again. Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. ~Kristy~ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds" wrote: > Kristy and the group, > The list is quite long for those two states (41 for PA and 26 for NJ) > according to the Roller Coaster Database (www.rcdb.com). > Since I am in no way affiliated with that site, I cannot guarantee its > accuracy but I have used it on several occasions and have never found a > significant problem with its information. > Using that site, you can search for parks (or coasters) in many > different ways, finding all the details about the parks and their > coasters. > > > Can someone provide a list of theme parks (and city name if possible) > > in Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. > > > > Thanks! > > ~Kristy~ > Dave Rounds Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 10:38:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92091 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42207.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 12:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 12873 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 12:23:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:23:14 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=28mQu1iPAGToRBF6xhZiztH5ni9cx9OEqTN5HtkUABi8kdru X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nathan Brown wrote: > I think the reason why word over steel is simple, > economics. It is > much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster > then a large steel > coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty > darn expensive. > Plus, given the park's experience running and > maintaining wooden > coasters, they have the know how to keep this > monster running well. I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel already, how much more would it have been to have tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? In fact, the *only* reason I could see going with the the wooden track is just to use PTC trains like the other two coasters. Thus reducing the learning curve for the maintainece staff. I dont really see any other reason. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 10:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14474 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 17:38:57 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dt7fQ-00042I-FL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <42D6A31A.3080405@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:38:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d517ae0cbf8ebccf05bf166859d8885d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: Theme Parks in PA and NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1hYL1D64VbQITO52eTIob-_-iRu4A7SvrPWGxKX4vHrMnRw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Kristy Milo wrote: > I'm in MA, so those two states seem to have a ton of parks and > within reasonable driving distance. > Of course we have kids and their interests would be kiddie rides... > So I guess you could say I'm looking for reasonable sized parks > (complete in at least 1/2 a day), with decent kiddie rides and play > grounds (not the little ride-ons that go in a circle- my 3 y.o. > would roll her eyes!). Hubby and I like the bigger rides but since I > can't do anything too intense (doc's orders) I like the atmosphere. A great resource that I haven't seen yet, but one that is well worth the few dollars you'll spend on it, is The Amusement Park Guide by Tim O'Brien (with some input from our own Adam Sandy) You'll find the majority of existing parks listed in it, along with nice descriptions of what the park is like, costs, location, rides, hours, how long it will take to visit, etc. The book will run you about $15, and should be available at most of the major bookstores (I see it at the local Borders and Barnes and Noble all the time) It's also a great resource that you can take with you on the road- something that a website can't always do well. I've more than received my money's worth out of my copy. And it's a nice addition to the library for casual/ fun reading to. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69413 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 31299 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 18:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050714181224.31297.qmail@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.208.73.57] by web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:24 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=PGQnRX7Pai8ZfVPYMXBnx2Ef1ppDLf5jddVryAinv1Qft2pX X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you'ev gotta point, but people want modern.steel. thats the only problem. Jeremy Norris wrote:--- Nathan Brown wrote: > I think the reason why word over steel is simple, > economics. It is > much, much cheaper to build a large wooden coaster > then a large steel > coaster. Heck, even small steel coasters are pretty > darn expensive. > Plus, given the park's experience running and > maintaining wooden > coasters, they have the know how to keep this > monster running well. I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel already, how much more would it have been to have tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? In fact, the *only* reason I could see going with the the wooden track is just to use PTC trains like the other two coasters. Thus reducing the learning curve for the maintainece staff. I dont really see any other reason. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 12:55:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47523 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 19:55:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 19:54:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:54:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=1rbYcJnx8PayT2DZ-ZqgeVcIgjxr8kKTpHveY4QCT9HnzHU1oca__Po X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers there!! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Jul 14 13:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63117 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 20:18:08 -0000 Date: 14 Jul 2005 20:18:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1121372286.275.62164.w101@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: With all the excitement of The Voyager going on, what is the best woodie?? o The Beast o Boulder Dash o Shivering Timbers o The Legend o The Phoenix o The Raven o Thunderbolt o Thunderhead o The Texas Cyclone o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1899741 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 14 15:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30756 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 22:51:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:52:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=2nk-T_m7j_HLZnCblmKsTazmIIjfX-YC2D9zDUsnsEoAjpJfp1KF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > with this layout, and the airtime being the centerpeice of the ride, I wonder why they didn't just build a steel coaster. < I thought the same thing. The park doesn't have a steel coaster (unless you count Howler). That could have provided some nice variety. It looks like the video was done with No Limits. It certainly shows an all-wood ride. The least they should do is use steel for the structure. Unless they use composite track though -- and I don't care how well they maintain their two other (much smaller) coasters -- this thing will rip itself apart during its first season. There's no way southern yellow pine will stand up to that beating. I mean, come on -- 173 feet high?! That's lunatic! If it were a straight out-and-back like Shivering Timbers, maybe it might work. But there's a fair amount of twister-like elements in the design. Plus, can you imagine the time it's going to take for the maintenance crew to walk the mile and a half of that coaster track every day, in addition to the two they already have? They should have gotten an Intamin or Morgan hyper and saved themselves a lot of grief. Sure it would have been a bit more expensive in the short term, but I bet it would prove a lot less expensive in the long run. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:30:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95896 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so635536wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.23 with SMTP id 23mr741607wrq; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:30:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42D5AD49.907@aol.com> <20050714122314.12867.qmail@web42207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=9LZrHNPccRJvEnC4i-19vWTsCmglVDqIay1IwK7lrfL8dmdBXxRWyxM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I do not doubt for a moment that they will do whatever > it takes to maintain the ride, but really, would a > steel tracked coaster really cost that much more? I > mean, the entire structure of the ride is steel > already, how much more would it have been to have > tubular steel rails as opposed to wooden planks? That was my first thought, but it must be incorrect. Apparently The Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 million. Morgan hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In 2000, SFDL's S:ROS cost $12 million. Holiday World got a similarly-sized ride for half the cost (perhaps even less than half given the rise in steel costs). My guess is the solid steel tracks and thick support columns cost far more than simple wooden track and the scaffolding-like steel support structure.=20 Personally, I would have opted to save $6 million too. -Nate From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:36:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73047 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.197) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:36:02 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so637008wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.57 with SMTP id 57mr745216wrs; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:36:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507141552.AA2853503196@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=M7-LxMcgsEoEOqq7flq8fQlGb-YSqmRmnnTBdNNmh91MiUjsBM3TOJI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It looks like > the video was done with No Limits. It certainly shows an all-wood ride.= =20 > The least they should do is use steel for the structure. I'm not sure if you're referring to the video or the actual ride here, but both feature steel supports. -Nate From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9988 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.200) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 23:37:40 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so637087wri for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr739621wra; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.38 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:37:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=7vQ7G209QtzBzAMQOgA9umhuxoNLVwjoIjShL06pUVzqIMZQ-RZR5-I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Great news! When I was there in May I thought Hades should have been=20=20 > giving much better rides than it was .. I knew it would pick up as it = =20 > broke in, nice to see that's occurring. Cameron, I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the park is now serving Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) -Nate From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 05:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85985 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42201.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 12:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 64823 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 12:31:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715123157.64821.qmail@web42201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:31:57 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:31:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=rdfTy7xXtoPBKNDjkusrxeERuIUTo_M33KBtUD7QuAtSe34w X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "Nate K." wrote: > That was my first thought, but it must be incorrect. > Apparently The > Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 million. > Morgan > hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In > 2000, SFDL's S:ROS > cost $12 million. > > Holiday World got a similarly-sized ride for half > the cost (perhaps > even less than half given the rise in steel costs). > My guess is the > solid steel tracks and thick support columns cost > far more than simple > wooden track and the scaffolding-like steel support > structure. > Personally, I would have opted to save $6 million > too. I agree with everything you said, but I guess I question why a steel coaster could not have that same scaffold support. Basically, I wonder why they could not have the exact same coaster as they do now just substitute steel rails for the wooden planks. It's just something I wonder i guess. lata, jeremy --fantasy football is just around the corner... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 05:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79569 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 12:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 49003 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 12:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715125105.49001.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.98.184.57] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:51:05 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:51:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050715123157.64821.qmail@web42201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=pnPgnU9DtUoBn5-_2iZF_DE4wR3uGKpt5zFWVcMLT4eMmqU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > > That was my first thought, but it must be > incorrect. > > Apparently The > > Voyage is costing Holiday World a mere $6.5 > million. > > Morgan > > hypercoasters were costing about $10 million. In > > 2000, SFDL's S:ROS > > cost $12 million. One thing to note on costs, there are generally three given for coasters (or any ride). Contract cost- The cost the park pays the manufacturer (usually the hardest to find out) Installed cost- The cost of a ride plus any concrete foundations, earth moving, state permits and running electrical lines. Project cost- The two above costs combined with everything else relating to the coaster, such as: queue lines, landscaping, signage, some of the marketing budget, etc. More often than not this is the price you will see quoted on RCDB. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Fri Jul 15 06:19:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54839 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 13:19:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:18:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.93 From: "bastienfred" Subject: RUMOR: New ride to be built at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=M-xDXn0va6YJ-5VrmfBCPpy_5J9u8M_NJ1BVuvuVUELJv3deXck X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Since one week, many people have written in different forums that a lot of markings can be seen in Cedar Point's Frontiertown area. http://www.pointbuzz.com/cpplace.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=16914 http://www.thepointol.com/board/viewtopic.php? t=6143&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=42469 According to these sources, markings are between Cedar Creek Mine Ride and Snake River Falls. We can be confident that a new ride is going to be built, but we do not know which one. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 07:24:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11364 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 14:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 14:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11320 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 14:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715142428.11318.qmail@web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.124] by web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:24:28 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=HR6mpz5ZFizKAyVkGmjARRPTw7GmrLAihSnYFdnnuQ1ZM-WV X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit shivering timbers is ,ichigan advutueres is muskegon michigan!!!!!! Matt wrote: I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers there!! Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 07:29:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15492 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 14:29:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 14:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2005 14:28:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:28:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050715142428.11318.qmail@web33912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1410 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=3tjJzHhSNCgFBTmgm9yzgU2RBEUMnO23V4r2E4P9vQ-Brz-c8aLqrrE X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire That's what I mean it would be cool if Shivering Timbers was there because then there would be four great woodies becuase Shivering Timbers is currently my favorite woodie!! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, jakob williams wrote: > shivering timbers is ,ichigan advutueres is muskegon michigan!!!!!! > > Matt wrote: I am definetly going to Holiday World next year. I have always wanted > to go but this seals the deal. This is a woodie fans paradise!!!! The > ride looks awesome!! Now if we could just relocate Shivering Timbers > there!! > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 15 08:07:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70228 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 15:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 15:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 15:07:39 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2005 11:07:21 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,293,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="62569069:sNHT26287288" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6FF7JW2007620 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.218.151]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:07:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050714065851.31916.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <1D91E75E-5904-454C-B66C-DBD401EB1DD3@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:07:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 15:07:19.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4FB8370:01C5894E] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=8nn6vidd3SX_xwy7ux0law44djzWNVOxTxSzVc0ij_-waQKg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, > I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the park is now serving > Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) Woo .. excellent! (Still waiting for flaming cheese, though..!) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 15 09:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75505 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 16:03:47 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1e4.3f904fa8 (15877) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.msns.flt.ptd.net (24.115.39.186.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net [24.115.39.186]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542d7de39ea; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:03:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:02:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42D7DE20.1000703@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 24.115.39.186 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The Voyager X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=jR3FvHZ2aarTI48XHoY1SIksrWCMTJ0_oo2dk-4WjJVHlAqlPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote on 7/15/2005, 10:28 AM: > That's what I mean it would be cool if Shivering Timbers was there > because then there would be four great woodies becuase Shivering > Timbers is currently my favorite woodie!! And here I thought it was because ou would like to see the ride out of Cedar Faire management and at a park that knows how to take care of a wooden coaster :-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 10:06:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89567 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 65095 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2005 17:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20050715170641.65093.qmail@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.106] by web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:06:41 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=TeUL486pI4n-wXf3baHjeMxgPHRqVkDhoQvbvp-UMIv2N2g4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > > Hi Nate, > > > I'm sure you'll also be excited to learn that the > park is now serving > > Greek food (well, gyros anyway). :-) > > Woo .. excellent! (Still waiting for flaming cheese, > though..!) > > Cameron. > > -- ha ha ha > Cameron Silver: ** I am > Bender, * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert > girder. * / //\ > **************************************************************** > \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. > * \, > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jul 15 17:35:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66537 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 00:35:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:37:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=_846j5L_KngfhaFH9TquUdN4ah1v5F8D96X9xQMr40gTH7KmQG3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme A friend of mine sent me this when I told him about Holiday World's plans. I thought he had some interesting observations. ===== > I don't get it. When I was a kid, we all wanted to go to Riverside and Mountain Park just because they were there. I never recall asking what new rides they had - these were just great places to be during the summer. Now it seems they have to have some kind of bait to get people to go. And as often as not, the bait is something that isn't all that desirable, and we have to put up with annoying ads that constantly hype the thing. Am I missing something? Was Mountain Park always concerned about having a new attraction each year? < [The answer is no, they weren't concerned. The last new ride there was the Tempest in the 1970s.] > This new coaster looks over-the-top, ridewise, and will probably be a huge maintenance headache. < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Jul 15 17:53:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12019 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:55:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200507151755.AA2739208504@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Hp5to_aBNCv9LRqV1vbGtbUykaOW_yGlqWVwB11DGXKjATBQ5g5I X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I'm not sure if you're referring to the video or the actual ride here, but both feature steel supports. < Yeah, you're right. I goofed. But I still say steel track, even if it's initially more expensive, will save them a lot of headaches...unless the coaster comes with composite track. Intamin can't have a lock on using composite wood. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 09:51:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38376 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.206) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2005 16:51:48 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so121811rne for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.15 with SMTP id h15mr557712rng; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305071609516d3ecea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:51:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=TRuu98af0JjdjY-6leAnK94K5hwHjvWyEZyVWbPcUsfWWYr- X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons That is an interesting observation, Jay. And I would agree... it's part of a shift in society... look at the Universal Ads to kind of get at the heart of the matter... we're work-a-holics, people don't take vacations, free time is being spent elsewhere and a lot of industries are competing for whatever free time we have left. the bait is as much to pull people away from working on a weekend project as it is to pull people away from other destinations and activities. Heck, this is the first year in several when I'll actually have vacation days left at the end of the year to carry over into next... that's unheard of for me! From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 17:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24485 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 00:41:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:41:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <217525FD-FBB6-415A-8BC8-73485359A0CF@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 421 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: Mini TR: Mt.Olympus, July 7, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=pwuHAwadvBz-vfXgVey449iu-I2yZdNZPTJ7o5Qd-bDekvZFsDe6 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > (Still waiting for flaming cheese, though..!) Sorry Cam, you'll have to go to coasterbuzz for that... AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (Who thinks SFFT's Rattler is a more accurate simulation of Hades) P.S. The Pentax promotion worked great at SFFT thurs. Two of us got in for free with two Pentax cameras. Just remember to bring them with you. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 16 19:38:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5119 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 02:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 02:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 02:37:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j6H2bjGR023044 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024501c58a78$871b2960$6400a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <200507151737.AA2583888168@karenandjay.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:36:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Tll1sj8OVgbLFHLT9HfyQL--9Af7Q6dWBaVrlcIcyTgsSkMPWcrSCFIJeA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > A friend of mine sent me this when I told him about Holiday World's > plans. I thought he had some interesting observations. > > ===== > > > I don't get it. When I was a kid, we all wanted to go to Riverside > and Mountain Park just because they were there. I never recall asking > what new rides they had - these were just great places to be during the > summer. Now it seems they have to have some kind of bait to get people > to go. And as often as not, the bait is something that isn't all that > desirable, and we have to put up with annoying ads that constantly hype > the thing. Am I missing something? Was Mountain Park always > concerned about having a new attraction each year? < > > [The answer is no, they weren't concerned. The last new ride there > was the Tempest in the 1970s.] I would think your milage may vary here depending on the region where you grew up. Growing up in Southern California, we were always wondering what new ride would be added each year to the parks. I believe it was also documented that Disneyland's first decline (pre-Eisner) was blamed on the lack of adding new attractions in the late 60s and early 70's. This is why they added two big E-ticket coasters by the end of that decade (Space Mountain in '77 and Big Thunder Mountain in '79). From jzerkel@consolidated.net Sat Jul 16 20:17:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41327 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:17:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42D5C3FF.7020304@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 924 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.176.86.164 From: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: Re: The Voyage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=Q2N8PaiEmUmcTyTVN4LgsQvSRzGdF4_1iI6JMYJjvzMcROWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > And was it just me, or did the people screaming at the news conference > get annoying to anyone else? I also watched the streaming video. I was getting rather impatient/ aggravated when Pat Koch spent 15 minutes introducing all the dignataries and guests, then Will spent ANOTHER 10 minutes "filling" time before they FINALLY got on with the announcement. You would think that the TV station that had that video could have edited out a lot of that. Also, the video/ sound quality was very poor when Will was displaying the line graph and talking about HW's attendance growth in recent years. Wasn't sure if that was a problem with their feed or with my computer, but it made me rather disappointed. BUT...The Voyage does look like one tremendous ride, and I can't wait for 05-06-06!! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 17 11:26:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26189 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 18:26:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:28:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200507171128.AA3146907832@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: MISC: Park bait X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=0HrCkl38YVRbDWDBmJK4F6HxHQKg3iFMJ40NXGl3on-6gbqa6UfU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I would think your milage may vary here depending on the region where you grew up. < I absolutely agree, Lance. Parks have always added new attractions to boost attendance. But I think my friend was focusing on the current trend of mega-parks putting in mega-rides that completely devour their capital. I'd like to think that the ride boosts attendance enough to make back what they put into it. But I wonder how much that's true these days. Six Flags New England has now spent close to $200 million since 1997. Has the corporation really recouped that investment? It would be nice to think that the park can clear $20 million a year to pay for the additions, but then there's also the cost of simply operating the place. Will Great Adventure be able to make up for the $28 million spent on Kinga Ka, when it's not even running? How about all the other rides that park has added in the past few years? How does the cost of maintenance on the rides take away from profits the park might have earned? I think what's happened is the scale on which parks operate has gotten so huge that their finances are nearly incomprehensible. When Mountain Park added a ride, it was often put together in-house, with components ordered from various manufacturers. Their laborers were there year round anyway, so it made sense to put them to work building a new ride that would draw more guests. (That's how all their funhouses were designed, and how most of the buildings were constructed.) The park was also a very manageable size, and at the time rides cost a lot less than they do today. But more important, which touches on what Lance was saying, is that the park new its market. It wasn't a destination attempting to attract people from all over the country. Its guests mainly came from the surrounding communities, looking to spend a relaxing day in a picnic grove that also had some rides for the kids. It was very inexpensive, and also familiar. The big parks want you to discover something completely *unfamiliar,* something so spectacular, you'll tell others about it and bring more guests into the place. The amusement industry, in many ways, is a much different beast than it used to be. Like everything else in this country, it's now dominated by a few multinational corporations. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 01:59:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 906 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 08:58:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:57:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=g3SEz8sVIM1WMxp7Y9HngN6GjsXCjpSO8rzWxjTHq-C7833NIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The few photos I could take of this are now posted at RCDB. (The dark image of the guy with the eyes, (He looks like Vivi from FF-IX to me if you get that reference.) is from the pre-ride movie.) Chris B From jakersw22@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 15:28:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69907 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 22:28:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:26:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 144 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.209.110.224 From: "jakersw22" Subject: sweet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=JKS2hpIia4kmouj1AvjRmsuS_dZsnLTDixyjomqpZlLelWmz X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 I highly recomend going to bucsh gardens in williamsburg, Virginia. Das Festhaus has great food. germany ruels! ! ! From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 18 15:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77666 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DueCl-0003vY-9n for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <42DC2EA3.8000504@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:35:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d7e0dff541296c872c5b6286f2ceb8565350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] sweet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nMp7DhIrhGkmgegD_-Ld4PYZeIRdM9OFhI8baCl6QbyLnZY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jakersw22 wrote: > > > I highly recomend going to bucsh gardens in williamsburg, Virginia. > Das Festhaus has great food. > Heh, didn't you already post this once, or something like it? :) Those of us who have been to BGW will agree, it is a great park. But how about offering up something for discussion? Tell us about your last visit there- good, bad, and the ugly. What are your thoughts about one ride compared to another? How do you think it compares to other parks that you've been to... In other words, we're not a travel agency, so just throwing out a recommendation to visit a part doesn't mean much unless it's in response to someone's question about where to go. But if you're wanting a response to a post, then try to make sure that it's something that people can, and will want to, respond to and talk about. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 06:57:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2875 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.169.96.252 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=xFoVLfJk4yGbazj_KT2PgKotCfY1NIzoQguBCFYWqiZ2ESJsQf0G X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Now that Holiday World has announced their new ride and given the nature of what it is, a new question comes to mind... How can they build a ride of this caliber and NOT have an enthusiast event next year? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 07:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65878 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 14:31:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 14:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 14:30:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:30:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=vg_DrH3M3H77HuQGqYxd9Fw45L3pVvOh065XVU-VfMjbCOGE0MJFj8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jul 19 08:21:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84680 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dutu5-0002YG-Db for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:21:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5d3c7c24d3fc3ed5feedf1d8f774b8a06e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yvaikMIU88KNstiChDBJEx7TRtSFRTfkwjTFa05Ln1LmQbk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brian Farral wrote: > Now that Holiday World has announced their new ride and given the > nature of what it is, a new question comes to mind... > > How can they build a ride of this caliber and NOT have an enthusiast > event next year? I tend to agree. They have already signed on to be the co-host for ACE's Coaster Con, so in that sense they already have agreed to do another enthusiast event. But not one of their own. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some point similar to what SRM was. However, I'd expect them to change the name of it, if for no other reason than to not invoke the memories of what happened. Maybe they'll call it Voyage Home for the Holidays, or some other play on Voyage. In any case, I'd be shocked if we don't see some sort of even in the next year or two. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From jakersw22@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 08:37:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81488 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 57022 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 15:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719153737.57020.qmail@web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.209.110.224] by web33910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:37:37 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:37:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=x1y-ViWfGsEzGLFxshNWCcpO6dzVQRe8Vc5CMJVbUCw8m_YT X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit shivering timbers Matt wrote:I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 19 08:44:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64970 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2005 08:44:24 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,300,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="315296560:sNHT47733258" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6JFi7ox019401 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.240.229]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:44:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> References: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:44:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 15:44:22.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBC6F6B0:01C58C78] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=oBru-vvue1hDyIFo7n3PxFmB22sHWRoZydAAv0zSNGf3I1Qh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some > point similar to what SRM was. I also think that they might even change the time of year .. like make it a fall event to dis-associate even more from Stark Raven Mad. (This is just a hunch .. I don't actually have any real information..!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Friends! Help! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A guinea pig tricked me! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:14:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45558 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:14:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:14:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DINUQ6mOxFFYubq9p-cIG0JLUkDkt-hFtIbrMzBiomjhnGg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 The Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 local.htm By BANKS ALBACH SANTA CRUZ, CA -=97 When it comes to American amusement parks,=20 sunshine, a cool sea breeze and even a dose of small town culture=20 weigh just as much as big rides and funny people in furry outfits. At least that's the feeling the editors of Citysearch get from the=20 Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. Citysearch placed SCBB 9th among the best American amusement parks.=20 Astroland Amusement Park in Brooklyn, N.Y., ranked No. 1. Anaheim's=20 Disneyland came in 4th. Outside the entrance to the Giant Dipper Tuesday, James Elliot of=20 Vancouver, BC, said: "It has a small town feel (with) the smells &=20 sounds of a county fair," he said as he dolled out ride tickets to=20 his son James, 12, and daughter, Sahara, 10. "It's beautiful and the=20 scenery is great." The family had just visited Disneyland and Universal Studios. Scenery may not be what a 12-y.o. roller coaster enthusiast yearns=20 for, but as most youths can attest, the buck stops at the=20 folks. "This old-school boardwalk harkens back to an earlier era of=20 lazy leisure and family-friendly amusement," Citysearch writes. "The park features a carousel, dozens of rides, test-your-skill=20 challenges, laser tag, an indoor video game & pinball arcade, and the=20 requisite cotton candy, hot dog and lemonade stands, along with=20 plenty of goofy time-wasters like Skee Ball, Whack-a-Mole and indoor=20 mini-golf." Though Citysearch notes one downfall, "Any sunny day is perfect for=20 the beach down below, though the water's usually quite chilly." Kris Reyes, community relations director at SCBB, said, "We work=20 really hard to provide a unique and memorable experience, and we are=20 honored to be chosen among the top 10 best amusement parks in the=20 country." Robin Beamon of Modesto said she comes to SCBB for the food. "It's a=20 good combo of everything, `cause I can watch them ride while I eat,"=20 said Beamon as her niece and nephew swung like a pendulum on the=20 Fireball. Charlotte Matityahu & Cheryl Lawless, both of Palo Alto, brought=20 their kids for the food and rides. "It has the beach and that's the=20 big draw for me," Lawless said as her daughter Alana, 10, got off the=20 Rock'n'Roll and ran to the front of the line. Matityahu was a little more blunt. "You're not inundated with stuff,"=20 she said. "Great America has become so tacky..." Amusement parks are big business these days. Worldwide revenue totaled $19 billion, with American parks bringing=20 in more than half of that, according to Forbes.com. An average one=20 day ticket costs $25. SCBB costs $26.95 for an all-day pass, but it's open to foot traffic,=20 which saves a few bucks for nonriders, like grandpa or grandma.=20 Mondays all rides are 60 cents. Unless you're Dave Pulling's father-in-law. Before plopping down on=20 the beach, the 65-y.o. charged the Double Shot and liked it, Pulling=20 said. "(The Boardwalk) kind of has a throwback, nostalgic feeling,"=20 Pulling said. "We like that." So did Pulling's son, 6-y.o. Zach, who had just ridden the Giant=20 Dipper. "It was scary," he said. He closed his eyes and screamed the whole time. ----------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:16:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22362 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:16:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:16:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Eh9RHmOqlIioLzqq4OOhdNDvgkDMmVbHI0iL8Jpp-Q0UsSE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 Citysearch.com The Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 local.htm By BANKS ALBACH Citysearch, a search service that provides information on businesses,=20 from restaurants and retail, to travel and professional services,=20 recently ranked the country's amusement parks. Citysearch touts=20 itself as helping users to make informed decisions about where to=20 spend their time and money by delivering more than 1 million=20 editorial and user reviews and ratings of local businesses. 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. 8. Paramount's Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. ------------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2071 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:21:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 625 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: First mobile amusement park of the northern region was inaugurated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=THTr3qbUNpEe5K-dfuscYGiEOaQBUW1zdpbW3PMkrOraz-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 18 2005 Daily News Monitoring Service News from Bangladesh http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-07- 18&hidType=NAT&hidRecord=0000000000000000052961 Nepland -- The first mobile amusement park of the northern region was inaugurated Sunday in Rajshahi in order to address the recreational needs of its people. Rajshahi City Corporation Mayor Mijanur Rahman Minu inaugurated the fantasy park through a simple ceremony at the Collectorate Playground. Neptune Entertainment and Amusement Company Limited, a sister concern of Neptune Group is implementing the project in Rajshahi. ---------------- From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39822 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15497 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 18:23:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719182334.15495.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:23:34 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=AvcVTmmpRccyXf20Sw2y3unWdQwxl1XRyM60UwvpHVlwWXA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Is this the list from MSN? It seems about as worthless... Adam 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. 8. Paramount’s Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:33:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:33:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Just add water - New amusement park thrills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=saCHr8QbOBiPmEZH2hAE_JAlQUAp4bVa2n9y1csfC8q-3Z8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 7/18/2005 USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2005-07-18- waterparks_x.htm By John Seewer, Associated Press KINGS MILLS, OH =97- Smiling and screaming all at once, Joe Hoffman and=20 his 9-y.o. daughter Mackenzie tightly grabbed their raft as they=20 rocketed into a giant funnel and splashed into a pool of water. They spent the day at Paramount's Kings Island riding the twisting=20 tube slides while the rest of the family swam in the children's=20 pools. "We stayed an extra day because of the water park," said=20 Hoffman, of Toledo. Theme parks of all sizes are discovering a new recipe to attract more=20 thrill-seekers and families: Just add water. Unlike a looping steel roller coaster, lazy rivers & speed slides=20 appeal to the entire family and are cheaper to build. "They're just=20 fun. People don't go to the beach or lake like they used to," said=20 Bill Spehn, GM of Geauga Lake, an amusement park near=20 Cleveland. "They're now going to a water park." The park is spending $26 million over the next 2 years to create what=20 it says will be the largest water park in Ohio. The first section=20 opened this year. For about what it would cost to build a new roller coaster, Spehn=20 said, "you can do an outstanding water park for $20 million and=20 create something that is good all day." Six Flags Great America near Chicago built a new water park for 2005=20 that features 25 slides and an interactive playground with water=20 cannons and a volcano that erupts every few minutes. It also has=20 cabanas for rent =97 with your own waiter =97 where visitors can have=20 lunch or take a nap. 11 Six Flags parks around the country have added tornado slides to=20 their lineups in the last 2 years. The 6-story funnel sends riders in=20 a raft spinning back and forth before dropping them into a pool. PKI added its own version last year. The additions are signs that a few slides and a wave pool just won't=20 do anymore. Monstrous raft slides and speed slides that rocket riders=20 on 100' drops now rival the thrills found on roller coasters. "The=20 rides are getting a lot more exciting, a lot more thrilling," said=20 Melinda Kempfer, business development coordinator for Water=20 Technology Inc. "Everything has been taken up a step." The company, based in Beaver Dam, WI, has worked on about 50 projects=20 since 1999, helping amusement parks design and build water parks. Water attractions offer what many other rides can't =97 togetherness,=20 said Tim O'Brien, who wrote "The Wave Maker," a book about George=20 Millay, the father of water parks who created the Wet'n Wild water=20 park chain, beginning in Orlando, in the 1970s. "You can only put so=20 many loops and inversions in a roller coaster before you rule out=20 half of your audience," O'Brien said. "Families very rarely stay=20 together and ride roller coasters all day." Creating a relaxed, tropical atmosphere is important, too. PKI=20 completely renovated its old water park, adding children's areas with=20 a waterfall and a pirate ship. Visits increased by 20% last year in=20 the water area, said Maureen Kaiser, a park spokeswoman. PKI season pass sales also increased, and daily attendance went up by=20 7%, to 3.5 million guests last year, highest among the non year-round=20 parks in the U.S. Some people go to the park just to swim. Barb Felton, who lives a few miles away, bought a family pass and=20 takes her 3 daughters and their friends a couple of times a week. "We=20 figured that would keep them busy this summer," she said. "I just go=20 lay out by the wave pool." Attendance has nearly tripled =97 to 855,000 a year ago =97 at Holiday=20 World in Santa Claus, IN, since 1993, when the family-owned park=20 opened Splashin' Safari. "It's the best business decision we ever=20 made," said Will Koch, president of HW. "It's exceeded any=20 expectations we had." HW is doubling the size of the water area over next 5 years. This=20 year it added a new wave pool and next year a raging river. It also=20 offers everyone free sunscreen. Past additions include a funnel slide and a giant enclosed slide. "We=20 have taken to putting in these monstrous water slides and attractions=20 that look good on a TV ad and have that roller coaster marquee=20 value," Koch said. Regional and family-owned parks say the water park boom has helped=20 them compete against the corporate-owned giants that dominate the=20 industry. At Seabreeze in Rochester, NY, the crowds come during the day for the=20 lazy river and body slides. "We used to be a nighttime park, said=20 park president Rob Norris. "Now people are here longer and they tend=20 to spend more." The park has added onto the water section 7 times since the area=20 opened 17 years ago. The nation's oldest amusement park, Lake Compounce in Bristol, CN,=20 said its water park has increased season pass sales among the=20 locals. "They use it like a pool pass," said Jerry Brick, GM. "A lot=20 of people come down here to sit on a lounge chair and read a book by=20 the water, and they come to people watch." ------------------------------------ Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. =A9 Copyright 2005 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 11:35:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83369 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 18:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 18:35:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:35:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050719182334.15495.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: NEWS: Boardwalk named a top park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H3DrgS8HIXX7yhXi5CS9R6O2ROYvESSx5LmZ79GUii7hnLc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 It's from Citysearch.com (Whatever that realy means?). -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy =20 wrote: > Is this the list from MSN? It seems about as > worthless... >=20 > Adam >=20 > 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. >=20 > 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. >=20 > 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. >=20 > 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. >=20 > 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. >=20 > 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, > Minn. >=20 > 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. >=20 > 8. Paramount=E2=80=99s Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. >=20 > 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. >=20 > 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. >=20 > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > *************** From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 12:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82802 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:06:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Big park experience molds Zoomers plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5Ab0IYJu5k74NCtIYfA-44LNWWPQA5z8vq4KFzwKKUh7WL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 The News-Press http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050719/NEWS0101/507190333/1002/NEWS01 By JOSEPH A. GONZALES Cape Coral, FL -- Tim Miles loved amusement parks so much as a child=20 growing up in Columbus, OH, that he decided to own a few himself. His current project, Zoomers, off Summerlin Road in south Fort Myers=20 is expected to open this fall. Before he moved to Cape Coral in 1991, Miles had been involved in a=20 number of big-name amusement parks in the US. He got his start in group sales at one of the most popular theme=20 parks in the U.S. =97 Kings Island in Cincinnati. That was in the early=20 1980s. He was onboard when PKI had 3.2 million visitors in 4=20 months. "40% of those visitors came because of group sales, like=20 company picnics," said Miles, 60. As his expertise in sales grew, so, too, did interest from others who=20 wanted in on creating successful theme parks. By 1987, Miles and a few friends purchased Wyandot Lake Amusement &=20 Waterpark, and Geauga Lake Amusement Park, both in Ohio, as well as=20 Darien Lake theme park, now owned by Six Flags, in Buffalo, N.Y. Each of the partners brought years of experience in sales,=20 operations, accounting and management. One was coming off a career at=20 Hersheypark, a well-known park in Pennsylvania. "We formed Fun Time=20 Inc., and we were the first to combine wet & dry parks all under one=20 park," said Miles, referring to the Wyandot park. "There were other=20 water parks around but they weren't part of a dry park." In 2003, he and 2 friends sold land in Sarasota County to purchase=20 the Zoomers property. His newest park combines all the best of what=20 has worked successfully over the years, he said. "Today, you try to be all things to all people, but depending on the=20 size of your park, that could be hard to do," he said. "You go to=20 most mom-&-pop parks and they're not doing anything for the little=20 guy. They're really keyed in to teenagers, and that's about it. We've=20 tried to make the experience for all ages." Miles' experience has taught him to offer unique attractions. That's=20 why Zoomers will have a Jason's Deli-like restaurant, rock climbing,=20 bumper boats, a geodesic dome for bungee jumping, an 18,000-sq-ft=20 building for events & birthday parties, picnic groves, grilling pits=20 and maybe concerts in the future. "Over the years, I've had the=20 opportunity to figure out what works and what doesn't work," he=20 said. "We've taken the best of everything and tried to put into this=20 park. "I've always been associated with a big-park mentality, so this is a=20 small park but there's a lot we could do here. So, it's a different=20 mentality." Although Six Flags has purchased some of the other parks he's been=20 involved in, Miles expects Zoomers to stay family owned. He may also=20 plan to build 2 more parks, one on the southwest coast of Florida and=20 one farther north on the west coast. "Once you get into this=20 business, I don't think you grow up," he said. "I like seeing kids=20 happy. I was always one of those guys going to amusement parks. So it=20 just evolved into a livelihood and a love for people having fun." Louisiana resident Denis Densmore worked with Miles at Wyandot=20 Lake. "A love of amusement parks is what makes a person good at it,"=20 said Densmore, referring to Miles. "Otherwise, it's just a job. It's=20 his drive that makes him good, and he's good with marketing and good=20 with people. He knows his stuff." Although Miles likens Zoomers to a miniature Busch Gardens or=20 Disneyland, don't expect 400'-high rides moving at great=20 speeds. "We've got our niche and we're going to stick with that," he=20 said. ---------------- Copyright 2005 , The News-Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 12:34:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52503 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2005 19:34:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:34:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Visionland Selects Cygnus for Print at Home Ticketing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=f5jomAVOyMxdKuWdwpcydhOeSBfnwH81FHuDre2fXyz2Q2w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 19, 2005 PrimeZone Press Releases Yahoo! News http://au.biz.yahoo.com/050719/21/64yx.html ORLANDO, FL -- Cygnus eTransactions Group, Inc. today announced that it=20 has signed an agreement to provide online ticketing technology and=20 services for Visionland, an amusement park and water park in=20 Birmingham, AL. The new online ticket store will utilize Cygnus' ceShop (tm) eCommerce sales engine, ceTicket(r) electronic fulfillment=20 technology and cePay(tm) financial processing. ---------------- =A9 2005 PrimeZone Media Network =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 19 14:53:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5383 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 21:53:22 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1e.499521cf (4328) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.499521cf.300ed04b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:53:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=UYj7F2unzgiI7vnzVElRBfCus6f2oN8ttG55kmPH3bMCf8ERJW6l X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Number 1 is Coney Island? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 19 15:00:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68076 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1ac.3bcfe65e (4328) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ac.3bcfe65e.300ed1fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:30 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=hxOH5LhVLJF-KsMGuSGwoH0Qv1p1AUYpOuTY2TdZqKB-r4baGxj- X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He does! Haha! How's the loop? -Dainan from North East Coasters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jul 19 15:04:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96203 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:04:53 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.ea.6d93c717 (3924) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:45 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to question this person's judgement. First of all, how can you put Astroland over Cedar Point?? Astroland is historic, but its basically just a carnival now. A shadow of its former self of days gone by. Maybe 100 years ago, it might have been better than Cedar Point, I dont know. And also, how in the world did Six Flags AstroWORLD make number 10? I really have to question that one! There's not a coaster there worth noting. Fiesta Texas and Six Flags Over Texas are a thousand times better than Astroworld! Oh well, to each his own, I guess. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jul 19 16:37:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99143 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 23:37:01 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6JNb0gk026721 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWMbvCNdrijlDjWQQS1kFA0gyhVXwAS8CUg X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=P0L9nA5FvOfwZ-Yc6wCkUyy3Qk2M8D4diDPHVOSNfOJUAFc X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that > picked "other" in the poll. Tremors. --Greg Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:40:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12520 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.205) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 23:40:39 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so824754rne for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.2.68 with SMTP id e68mr1642601rni; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30507191640715cf366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:40:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507192337.j6JNb0gk026721@atlas.jtan.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=pJTMk4cuOUHE1vlpdhV5mQrANMYGSnyKMHY2Nt4w-GO7pkfv X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons yeah, what he said On 7/19/05, Greg Legowski wrote: > > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that > > picked "other" in the poll. >=20 >=20 > Tremors. >=20 >=20 > --Greg > Snip! Snip! The scissors go. / And Conrad cries out - Oh! > Snip! Snip! They go so fast. / And Conrad bleeds to death, at last. > -- The Tiger Lillies, "Snip Snip (Suck-a-thumb)" >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jul 19 19:51:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86772 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 02:51:17 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.dd.2a0d7704 (15863) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742ddbc1b3; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:51:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:50:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42DDBC04.5030006@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top ten amusement parks in America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=uu5r0Ja4oFxKshZwyCgrmJZM0uOK_FLXFVNT1TydnN0WFphUDA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mr Albach should learn to do a little research before simply copying=20 lists to print. This list is very old and very subjective. aelk2004 wrote on 7/19/2005, 2:16 PM: > July 19, 2005 > Citysearch.com > The Santa Cruz Sentinel > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/July/19/local/stories/07 > local.htm > By BANKS ALBACH > > > Citysearch, a search service that provides information on businesses, > from restaurants and retail, to travel and professional services, > recently ranked the country's amusement parks. Citysearch touts > itself as helping users to make informed decisions about where to > spend their time and money by delivering more than 1 million > editorial and user reviews and ratings of local businesses. > > 1. Astroland Amusement Park, Brooklyn, N.Y. > > 2. Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Fla. > > 3. Cedar Point Amusement Park, Sandusky, Ohio. > > 4. Disneyland, Anaheim. > > 5. Kennywood Park, West Mifflin, Pa. > > 6. Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America, Bloomington, Minn. > > 7. Magic Kingdom, Lake Buena Vista, Fla. > > 8. Paramount's Carowinds, Charlotte, N.C. > > 9. The Boardwalk, Santa Cruz. > > 10. Six Flags Astroworld, Houston. > ------------------- > =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 21:26:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13387 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 04:26:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:26:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ac.3bcfe65e.300ed1fe@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Galaxy Express 999 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=yk5B1lO5tfQJQMZdkxdIiI_UetxeHNr2zfn43UF9SM64BAgQmw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > He does! Haha! How's the loop? > > -Dainan from North East Coasters > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I have to say, as the first time I have ever been on an inversion without knowing it was coming, I was VERY surprised! After returning to the normal right-side-up orientation, I laughed and shouted "Hey! What the hell? That was a loop!" It was very disorienting. Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 12:06:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87738 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 19:06:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uYYUx31gpi1Z7rRdCniZXTDQJAvr7mgIXHsbfsptM7MDSNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I have not been on any of the coasters on that list. Say it isn't so! True, true. So obviuosly my vote can't really be compared with those who have. However (back to Matt's question), I would choose Rattler (at Cliff's in Albuquerque, NM). Though not large, it's fast, fun, and very re- ridable. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" > in the poll. I know I missed some great woodies so let me know what > they are if you would. I guess after the poll I better get to Knoebels > too!!! Phoenix must be awesome!!! From coaster_freak_in_ohio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:39:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coaster_freak_in_ohio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90766 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:39:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:39:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.213.33.2 From: "coaster_freak_in_ohio" Subject: New and ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=231054080; y=H8rKLFvp4FokiGGCYYIiSyBIivgEBPe6Frsu7fNMcQsCtVfy3yaUxYkipsWeEFj5 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_freak_in_ohio Hey everyone I am new to this group and I was also wandering I am going to geauga Lake on Saturday and I was wandering what should be the first Coaster I should Go On? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:56:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21802 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 20:56:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:55:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 20:55:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:55:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New and ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r0n5E6hGW6Bs6j70YPsGBBFXznRv9hCOb75XxGT6kh4WDmo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey CFiH, Welcome to the group! Be prepared for a very opinionated conversation with this question ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "coaster_freak_in_ohio" wrote: > Hey everyone I am new to this group and I was also wandering I am > going to geauga Lake on Saturday and I was wandering what should be > the first Coaster I should Go On? From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Jul 20 17:52:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88216 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (242669hfc88.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.69.88]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6L0ptGK026145 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DEF1AC.4010702@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:51:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: THUNDER7NYFL Reply-To: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Misc: SFI - SEC FILING 12/31/2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=njbiSG1Ucf32jUDXZgJE7y182BBe1_bGpvLtIiAIUvvEsXU9_hw- X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl http://www.getfilings.com/o0001104659-05-011331.html I thought this was very interesting for those who want to know more about the parks and the chain that operates them. Joe From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 20 18:44:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 513 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 01:44:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:41:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=51P07QQK0k1yo6gVKa4g9DrhE8VfGKi8cWF8mfeQEVQxKYXutXEl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I'm just curious what everyone's favorite woodie is that picked "other" in the poll. < I was thinking of Great Escape's Comet. Although not as smooth and meticulously-maintained as it once was, it's still a terrific ride, possibly the greatest coaster Schmeck ever designed. It's also historically significant, not only for having been moved from Crystal Beach and faithfully reconstructed, but also for having the distinction of being the infamous Crystal Beach Cyclone (one of the first steel-structured wood coasters) with all the steel bents re-arranged by Schmeck into a torrent of non-stop airtime. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Jul 20 19:14:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 02:14:10 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.204.603f822 (15874) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242df04e1c5; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:13:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> Message-ID: <42DF04C9.1070508@aol.com> References: <200507201841.AA3296133440@karenandjay.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=Axxc2x4F5oVrTGIMkv_7pSJoMEeOfXM0b54S9_5FguFnSrdAyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jay Ducharme wrote on 7/20/2005, 9:41 PM: > > I was thinking of Great Escape's Comet. Although not as smooth and > meticulously-maintained as it once was, it's still a terrific ride, > possibly the greatest coaster Schmeck ever designed. Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. Now here is a question, what about the great Schmeck designed ride operating or not? I sure would have loved to get a ride on the Idora Wildcat. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 10:59:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15127 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 17:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 17:59:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:59:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.79.18 From: "Matt" Subject: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=QAZzJTQIOIfY9jRvqlxRmk4bZCOGni8PtgsgEgwxDD_mmdaf2QTfjJM X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78106 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:10:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:10:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42DEF1AC.4010702@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Misc: SFI - SEC FILING 12/31/2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BEdA9qmHlzXDf7r1NOrNWqtZavaf1GibRR7JNgZki5VOvWo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Yup, more than I wanted know ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > http://www.getfilings.com/o0001104659-05-011331.html > > I thought this was very interesting for those who want to know more > about the parks and the chain that operates them. > > Joe From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:15:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68947 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:15:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:15:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1092 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park worker injured while checking attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U2jxVNbiCg78yzY2WDIzArWrR5cY2WPMr-k3zRL1fNDpEoE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 21, 2005 Yahoo! Asia News Kyodo News http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050721/kyodo/d8bfl6280.html Kyodo, Japan -- A female employee at the Tokyo indoor amusement park=20 Namjatown was seriously injured Thursday when her upper body became=20 trapped while inspecting equipment at a haunted hotel attraction,=20 police said. The accident took place at the "Bathtub," which has a 6-cm-thick=20 cover measuring 1 meter in width and 1.2 meter in length. The cover=20 is designed to open and release a ghost when a sensor detects=20 visitors. Yumiko Watanabe, 29, was trapped when she was apparently trying to=20 adjust some lighting on the cover, the Metropolitan Police Department=20 said. She was found by a colleague who called the ambulance, just before=20 the amusement facility opened at 10 a.m. Namjatown closed the haunted=20 hotel attraction but all other facilities were open to the public on=20 Thursday, the first day of school summer vacation. The amusement park occupies 2 floors of the Sunshine City building=20 complex in Higashi Ikebukuro. ------------- 2005 Kyodo News =A9 =A9 2005 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:19:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22215 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:19:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:19:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 934 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Pennsylvania=92s_oldest_amusement_park_announces_expansion?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rlS1fAQJcsmN92IMzuIzKUchqE_wYJ5f5QsKNTgHSulJjqU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 20, 2005 The Daily Item http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2005/0720/fea/stories/06fea.htm LIGONIER, PA -=97 Pennsylvania's oldest amusement park is planning a=20 million-dollar waterpark expansion. Idlewild Park officials said the new pirate-themed waterpark will=20 open for the 2006 summer season. The expansion will include 6 water=20 slides, more than 100 interactive play areas, a 500-gallon tipping=20 wash bucket, a children's wading pool and a birthday party pavilion.=20 The park has not chosen a name for the new area yet. "Our new pirate-themed waterpark will be unlike any other around and=20 will secure our leadership position as one of the best kids parks in=20 America," said Brandon Leonatti, the park's general manager. Idlewild was founded in 1878 as a picnic area along the Ligonier=20 Valley Railroad. It is the third-oldest amusement park in the United=20 States. ------------- =A9 2003 The Daily Item Publishing Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:35:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16707 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1qB8bNT2ZWJjIvBzi1nRHYzSzI-hPqoBThkUlYfx5AMa95I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 20, 2005 Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News Hotel Online http://www.hotel-online.com/News/2005_Jul_20/k.HCT.1121955561.html By Don Stacom BRISTOL, CT -- Lake Compounce expects adrenaline fans will focus on its flashy new $3 million thrill ride next year, but the amusement park has far bigger plans in the works. The owners of America's oldest amusement park are trying to secure the final permits they need to start a multi-year, $17 million expansion to eventually boost LC's capacity by nearly half. "We can't afford to do it all in 1 year; it's a 3-4-year project at least. But I'm very optimistic that we can open the 1st phase in 2009," park GM Gerald Brick said Tues. The park's owners want to relocate Mount Vernon Rd to free up about 10 acres near the waterfront, and then begin developing that land for an enlargement of their Splash Harbor water park. Company executives met earlier this month with U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, and hope to get a final approval for the road relocation later this year, Brick announced. "Each time we talk, they have questions - but we're answering them, and now we're getting fewer & fewer questions. And we have all of the town approvals we need," Brick said during a media tour of the park on Tues morning. The expansion is planned on the Southington end of the park, and John Weichsel, town manager of that community, said Tues that he's sure all the necessary municipal permits will go through. "We've approved it in principle, and I'm sure there won't be any problem with this going through," Weichsel said. "This has been in the works for 15 years." On a sunny weekend day during the peak mid-summer season, LC might get close to its capacity of about 15,000 customers between its water park attractions & amusement rides. Expanding into the 10 additional acres would push that capacity up by 5,000-7,000 people, Brick said. The expansion plan would get under way next summer by clearing a section of woodlands and putting down a half-mile of pavement parallel to Mount Vernon Rd, but about 300' farther from the lakefront. The following year, the old roadway would be torn out and electric, sewer and water lines would be installed. All of the roadway and site work might run somewhere in the field of $2 million, Brick estimated. By 2008, the land would be ready for development; Brick envisions converting it to water park use over a period of several years - but not necessarily back-to-back. Instead, on alternating years LC might add land-based rides and other attractions, he said. Ultimately, the park's Pennsylvania-based owner would pump about $15 million into the new Splash Harbor development, he said. Next season will feature a new land ride: Thunder N' Lightning. On Tuesday, a backhoe and earthmover began digging up turf to accommodate the foundation for the 2006 headliner attraction. The $2.5 million ride built by Utah-based S & S Power is a set of pendulum-style gondolas that will swing back & forth at 60 mph, and take riders about 80' up. They'll be suspended at a 115-degree angle to the ground, then swung back down in reverse. The ride will cost about $500,000 to install because it requires deep concrete footings reinforced with steel plates and an enormous foundation. Brick said that buying the ride from a domestic builder - rather than from the European manufacturers who've increased their market share in recent years - allows a substantial savings. "When we ordered it in Nov, there was about a 30% difference because of [the value of] the euro," Brick said. "Italian and German suppliers are offering to cut more deals now." -------- Copyright (c) 2005, The Hartford Courant, Conn. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14820 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:48:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:48:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Travelers Advantage Rates the Top U.S. Theme & Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ioHjrvTjnFmegBArCURkdsj4yZEUQPsfYYgJ2BXGa1bQ_2g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 21, 2005 Travelers Advantage Yahoo! Financial News http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050721/nythfns2.html?.v=3D2 NORWALK, CT -- As summer fun coasts onto the scene - 1 in 10=20 vacationers will visit a theme or amusement park this summer - the=20 experts at Travelers Advantage have strapped in for the ride, rating=20 the top U.S. theme and amusement parks. More than 328 million people visited amusement parks & attractions=20 last year, according to the International Association of Amusement=20 Parks and Attractions. In addition, theme park travelers spent an=20 average of $839 per trip, excluding transportation to their=20 destination, compared to just $433 on the average US trip, according=20 to the Travel Industry Association of America. They also included=20 longer overnight stays (5.4 nights) compared to the average US trip=20 (4.1 nights). "As vacationers bask in the sun this summer, family travel to theme &=20 amusement parks continues to surge in popularity," said Julia Ryan,=20 VP of Travelers Advantage. "Some of the best & amusement parks." Visiting a theme & amusement park is definitely a family affair. More=20 than 5 in 10 (59%) of US households that visit theme or amusement=20 parks include children under 18, according to the TIA. By comparison,=20 just over one-quarter (26%) of overall traveling households include=20 children on their trips. Both beach travelers (20%) and theme &=20 amusement park travelers (21%) are more likely than average (16%) to=20 fly to their destination and to rent a car upon arrival (6% vs. 3%). Here's the ticket to the top US theme & amusement parks according to=20 the experts at Travelers Advantage: 1. The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 2. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA. 3. Epcot at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 4. Disney-MGM Studios at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 5. Disney's Animal Kingdom at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. 6. Universal Studios at Universal Orlando, FL. 7. Islands of Adventure at Universal Orlando, FL. 8. Disney's California Adventures, Anaheim, CA. 9. SeaWorld Florida, Orlando, FL. 10. Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal City, CA. * Top Theme Park Foods ... Funnel cakes, ice cream, pizza, hot dogs=20 and cotton candy. Men go for the pizza and hot dogs, while women=20 prefer funnel cakes and cotton candy, according to the IAAPA. * Favorite Park Features ... Rides, shows, special events/festivals=20 and playing games. Most often, men prefer rides, women go for shows=20 and festivals, according to IAAPA. * Ticket To Ride ... Roller coasters, ferris wheels & carousels, oh=20 my! Roller coasters grab top honors, according to IAAPA, followed by=20 bumper cars, ferris wheels and carousels. Men would rather jump on=20 roller coasters, while women opt for ferris wheels and carousels. ---------------- =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2005 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:59:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76396 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 21:59:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:59:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Closure call brings more visitors to marine park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R9_ezH4AUjVT45FOmIPAqIvgvwz7FwC_yPrN23HeELNI4tw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 22, 2005 Philippine Daily Inquirer=20 Inquirer News Service http://news.inq7.net/regions/index.php?index=3D1&story_id=3D44369 By Blanche S. Rivera Subic Bay, Philippines -- Instead of causing closure, the death of a=20 false killer whale in a marine park in Subic has sparked curiosity=20 and brought in more guests at the Ocean Adventure park. OA president John Corcoran said the controversy generated by the call=20 of animal rights activists to close down the facility has encouraged=20 people to check out the park on Cawayan Bay in Subic. "It's not the=20 first time this has happened. We were greeted here by activists; it's=20 an issue we've had to deal with and will continue to deal with,"=20 Corcoran said. "We've seen people coming to the park out of curiosity because some=20 controversy was brought up," he said. The Dept of Environment & Natural Resources has said OA would remain=20 open. It has also not required the park to secure an environmental=20 compliance certificate from the agency as the DENR row with Subic Bay=20 Metropolitan Authority over the issuance of permits has not yet been=20 resolved. Corcoran invited the animal rights activists calling for the park's=20 closure to see the facilities and check the care given to animals. OA, the only open water marine park in Southeast Asia, spends 35-40%=20 of its annual expenditure for animal care. "I would encourage=20 activist groups to follow our lead... It's going to take a lot more=20 people, animal activist groups, school groups, conservation groups=20 and government all joining hands... for conservation education...=20 Let's set aside the hatred," he said. 'Doomed animals' OA's CEO Timothy Desmond belied claims by Earth Island Institute- Philippines and Philippine Animal Welfare Society that the park was=20 harvesting cetaceans for human amusement. Desmond said the park's animals were "doomed animals" because they=20 were either wounded or recovered from people who would have killed=20 the animals for food. Hook, the 13-y.o. female false killer whale who died on July 8, was=20 wounded by a harpoon when it was brought to the park. Hook was the=20 third killer whale to die in the park in 4 years, possibly of gastro- intestinal illness. "When we got them here, these animals had a fixed=20 life span. They had 1 day, but Hook, for example, lived for another 7=20 years because of the care she got here," Desmond said. Desmond expressed confidence that the Philippine public is "smart=20 enough to know something of value when they see it and to know over=20 time which claims are accurate or not." A total of 869,441 visitors have been to OA since 2002, of which=20 28,508 were foreigners. Some 16,000 came from as far as Mindanao and=20 20,000 from Visayas. Corcoran said he was expecting the biggest number of guests this=20 year. The company's June 30 report showed 132,176 people have visited=20 the park this year, already more than half last year's total=20 248,420. "I think our ethics is what will protect us," Desmond said. ------------ =A92005 www.inq7.net From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 21 15:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25971 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-1.cisco.com) (171.71.176.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2005 15:46:35 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,134,1120460400"; d="scan'208"; a="650019441:sNHT28279660" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6LMkVup004039 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:46:31 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:48:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:46:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 22:48:55.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA76CF0:01C58E46] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=aA5mVSXOiNFKRio4M28evmfNfHBYGuMddAuXSxOqCXQfDNcf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I have (sadly) never been to Lake Compounce, but it's so great to read positive expansion stories like this. Especially coming at the same time as the announcement from Kennywood. I know a lot of the big parks are suffering with low attendance figures (and that is a shame), but I'm so thrilled to see the smaller parks thriving. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You must study * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** the duck... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 21 18:11:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27060 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 01:11:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:09:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=QlXaiVv33dHB88dFAiBceZ6D-PVuaIb5eFT52h1PTCehCosfrcng X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. < I really love the Phoenix, too. And Knoebel's is probably my favorite park. But with Phoenix, I think a lot of credit goes to Knoebel's maintenance staff who do such a good job with that ride, plus the terrific ride ops. If any of you rode the Comet in the first few years after it was rebuilt, it had all of Phoenix's airtime, plus non-stop blazing speed and glass-smooth trackwork. It also has something with which the Phoenix can't compete: its storied history. To ride over the same structure that once was the Crystal Beach Cyclone, and to stand in the very same Cyclone station, to me puts the ride head and shoulders above any other. It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. I can't thank Charles Wood and Tom Wages enough for the great job they did. But yeah, the Phoenix is great too. Heck, Idlewild's Rollo Coaster is amazing! Schmeck was a genius. Idora's Wildcat...I don't know. I've heard that in its later years it beat the snot out of the riders. That was probably for lack of maintenance. One coaster I would love to have ridden was Sterling's Million Dollar Coaster. It was the Shivering Timbers of its day, just camelback after camelback and bunny hop after bunny hop. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:30:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1832 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:30:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:28:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:28:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=b3tD_sUKRUc3FSepVfCQhi_2S7TKmW64HK1_7MZvwI_hNFPpeA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see > everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers > than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? I think that you would find that people's answers to that question would vary even more! After all, there are far more steel tracked coasters out there than wood. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:33:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68979 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:33:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:32:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:32:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 645 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park worker injured while checking attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-wA5Nxffly7q9cMGeM3NY6sLXCvE75Vmy3cfi23lu5f1ootgXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > July 21, 2005 > Yahoo! Asia News > Kyodo News > http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050721/kyodo/d8bfl6280.html > > > Kyodo, Japan -- A female employee at the Tokyo indoor amusement park > Namjatown was seriously injured Thursday when her upper body became > trapped while inspecting equipment at a haunted hotel attraction, > police said. > The amusement park occupies 2 floors of the Sunshine City building > complex in Higashi Ikebukuro. I've never heard of this place, maybe I should check it out. Y'know, to make sure there aren't any roller coasters. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:38:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90415 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:38:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:37:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:37:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:37:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Travelers Advantage Rates the Top U.S. Theme & Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=EYi0ryD8Xb35cC-uvqIVmS12QB8wWvsdP2znmLiddaMIcJoBoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > July 21, 2005 > Travelers Advantage > Yahoo! Financial News > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050721/nythfns2.html?.v=2 > > > NORWALK, CT -- As summer fun coasts onto the scene - 1 in 10 > vacationers will visit a theme or amusement park this summer - the > experts at Travelers Advantage have strapped in for the ride, rating > the top U.S. theme and amusement parks. > 1. The Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 2. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA. > 3. Epcot at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 4. Disney-MGM Studios at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 5. Disney's Animal Kingdom at WDW, Lake Buena Vista, FL. > 6. Universal Studios at Universal Orlando, FL. > 7. Islands of Adventure at Universal Orlando, FL. > 8. Disney's California Adventures, Anaheim, CA. > 9. SeaWorld Florida, Orlando, FL. > 10. Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal City, CA. Now this is a top ten that I believe most people will find slightly more believable than the one last week. Well it seems like a top ten attendance list at least! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:43:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56754 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 08:43:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:42:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 08:42:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:42:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0kLY1HZ_QHotSQ0UBIAnSA7VbTxGUAmXj2qbU1gw4_JqI6sg1g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > Jay Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't been on this coaster. :) Chris B From jakersw22@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 10:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jakersw22@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6678 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 17:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 9255 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722175406.9253.qmail@web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [35.10.19.106] by web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:06 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:54:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: jakob williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll Replies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230646098; y=9-aKcOVP_bhzXGLzTgWyozWdYgdL4befceKgmhDuOoo27cBz X-Yahoo-Profile: jakersw22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ya make a steel poll Chris wrote: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Thanks to all who have responded. It is very interesting to see > everyone's favorite woodie and there were a lot more different answers > than I would have thought! Should we do a steel poll?? I think that you would find that people's answers to that question would vary even more! After all, there are far more steel tracked coasters out there than wood. Chris B Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. SPONSORED LINKS Theme park --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RollerCoasterTalk" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coreyml03@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 13:05:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54774 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 20:05:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:05:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 339 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.215.208.122 From: "corey" Subject: best woodie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=0mLc5DSsO44CXFhVfrUDpGVI68dwFg7AZK8hiAp7ZMtfl2K7 X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 the great american scream machine @ SFOG is my "home" woodie i get excelent air on it and it is 10 miles away so i love it i rode gwazi (i forgot which one) and that was freakin aweosme it was intense and a blur but me and my sis loved it that is #2 as for those on the poll, ive never been on any of em i hope to go to ohio next summer From lau228@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 15:15:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84481 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53907.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 22:15:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 39770 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 22:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050722221457.39768.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.203.51] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:14:57 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42DF04C9.1070508@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recent Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=LCwq3BDBtw5vMr4twv2ADLHVx0H2etPXxVyhxzQ2leqJ X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 > Now here is a question, what about the great Schmeck > designed ride > operating or not? I sure would have loved to get a > ride on the Idora > Wildcat. > > -- > Nathan Brown I am a total Phoenix fan. It's my favorite woodie to date. Now from what I can remember about my rides on the Idora Wildcat, I think it would've given Phoenix a run for it's money. The only thing that might give Phoenix the edge was Wildcat had some brutal laterals mixed in with it's airtime. Basically, if you like laterals, you would probably like Wildcat better than Phoenix. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jul 23 01:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56752 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Jul 2005 08:01:54 -0000 Date: 23 Jul 2005 08:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1122105714.21.56751.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: With all the excitement of The Voyager going on, what is the best woodie?? CHOICES AND RESULTS - The Beast , 0 votes, 0.00% - Boulder Dash, 1 votes, 4.76% - Shivering Timbers, 1 votes, 4.76% - The Legend, 1 votes, 4.76% - The Phoenix, 6 votes, 28.57% - The Raven, 2 votes, 9.52% - Thunderbolt, 0 votes, 0.00% - Thunderhead, 2 votes, 9.52% - The Texas Cyclone, 0 votes, 0.00% - Other, 8 votes, 38.10% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - The Beast - Boulder Dash - tom@fiftyfour.com - Shivering Timbers - mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com - The Legend - scrunch17@yahoo.com - The Phoenix - Hardcorebandgeek@aol.com - onhisown@comcast.net - Old_Coaster_Guy@FrontierNet.Net - munkye1972@yahoo.com - gburnash@earthlink.net - lau228@yahoo.com - The Raven - coasterjunkie@gmail.com - coasterdude318@gmail.com - Thunderbolt - Thunderhead - Cyclonic07@aol.com - jophish17@comcast.net - The Texas Cyclone - Other - jay@karenandjay.com - bethtoons@gmail.com - adamnvillani@yahoo.com - shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com - gregleg@gregleg.com - coreyml03@yahoo.com - aelk2004@yahoo.com - luv2dogs@yahoo.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:03:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53736 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.1a8.3b80bb66 (15874) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-3e0242e231e9279; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:02:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42E231D1.2010906@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=cSsRElnn40fbFRbMHgHnkPCSK8FBZVLAdbQZF-yQdWD9UlWF8A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote on 7/22/2005, 4:42 AM: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > wrote: > It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > > > Jay > > Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't > been on this coaster. > > :) > > Chris B The lift actually speeds up as the train nears the top, catipulting the train over the top. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6623 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m16.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.20d.56dacf7 (15886) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42e233b82a6; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:10:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> Message-ID: <42E233A0.3090400@aol.com> References: <200507211809.AA3342074174@karenandjay.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=r7egsxEkw5hafSV9mJMP8O0AEu2FgVA5GmIDlhjim1Ht2ZXhRA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jay Ducharme wrote on 7/21/2005, 9:09 PM: > >Now here is a good debate! I would have to go with Phoenix. I love > the Comet, but love the Phoenix even more. < > > I really love the Phoenix, too. And Knoebel's is probably my favorite > park. But with Phoenix, I think a lot of credit goes to Knoebel's > maintenance staff who do such a good job with that ride, plus the > terrific ride ops. > > If any of you rode the Comet in the first few years after it was > rebuilt, it had all of Phoenix's airtime, plus non-stop blazing speed > and glass-smooth trackwork. It also has something with which the > Phoenix can't compete: its storied history. To ride over the same > structure that once was the Crystal Beach Cyclone, and to stand in the > very same Cyclone station, to me puts the ride head and shoulders > above any other. It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever > ridden. I can't thank Charles Wood and Tom Wages enough for the great > job they did. > > But yeah, the Phoenix is great too. Heck, Idlewild's Rollo Coaster is > amazing! Schmeck was a genius. Idora's Wildcat...I don't know. I've > heard that in its later years it beat the snot out of the riders. > That was probably for lack of maintenance. > > One coaster I would love to have ridden was Sterling's Million Dollar > Coaster. It was the Shivering Timbers of its day, just camelback > after camelback and bunny hop after bunny hop. > > Jay I am in the midst of writing a report on my first visit to Idlewild, and I really liked the Rollo Coaster. I likened it to a smaller, tamer Boulder Dash with the way it just seems to scamper along the hill side. It is a very nice little ride. I too have always been facinated by the Million Dollar Coaster (which actually cost a bit less then that). Another Eastern PA coaster that facinates me was the Skyclone at Central Park in Allentown, PA. I've seena few pictures of the ride, and it really looked unique, and maybe even a little wicked. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 05:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64378 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.198.43577467 (15876) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442e2345f373; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:13:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:12:55 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42E23447.4010102@aol.com> References: <42DD1A65.2050209@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So....... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=RgiptbNHKbAozf6w69UWDlHe0maWMCXLTgsgbmZgu3f94zKUhw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 7/19/2005, 11:44 AM: > > I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing their own event at some > > point similar to what SRM was. > > I also think that they might even change the time of year .. like > make it a fall event to dis-associate even more from Stark Raven Mad. > (This is just a hunch .. I don't actually have any real information..!). > > Cameron. Can you tell I'm catching up a little this morning :) I would rather see a spring event. A fall even would be cool, but would also likely interfere with Phall Phun Phest. It is much easier to spread those weekends out a bit. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sat Jul 23 07:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39882 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 14:06:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:06:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 17050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Idlewild Park: July 16, 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=soRsnXWs7jDblJPcHp_TeZsX2t_buzgPCNVBcCG8KWO5w0ZF4g X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Idlewild Park (http://www.idlewild.com) Weather: Hot and muggy The entire collection of photos from this trip can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/cnju8 An integrated photo report can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/crurs I have two panoramic pictures, which can be found here: http://www.penncoasters.com/idlewild.htm Some may find this report a bit long. This is a park I've never been to, and I hear little about it, so I would like to detail it a bit more then usual. When I get around to writing my Kennywood report, it will likely be much shorter. I headed out Friday directly after work, and headed for Somerset, where I was to stay the night, with just one pit stop. I got in at about 9:30, not too bad considering I left at 5:30 from the Philly area, and collapsed into bed. The Hotel was a Knights Inn, and despite it being just $30 online, it wasn't too bad, it hadn't been renovated since at least the 70's, and was built in this weird, dark tudor style, but it was clean, without any of the musty, cheap motel smells, which pleased me since I am a bit of a hotel snob. I got to Idlewild at just before ten to find a line up of cars in the drive. I could see the parking lot ahead, and did not think it was too bad, until I got closer, and saw that I was in the lesser used entrance. It was going to be a busy day in the park. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175384-M.jpg Idlewild has an unusual admission system. Instead of parking and then having a gate when you get admission, they have everyone pay at toll booths before entering the parking lot. Everyone gets a wristband, so you can't just walk in either. I kinda like this, as this way you don't have to go through the whole hand stamp and readmission thing if you have to go to the car, but it does slow things down on the front end. That, however, did not matter I would find out. Why? Because even though the park opens at 10, the rides aren't open until 11. It took me a few minutes to figure this out, but once I did, it gave me a chance to get some pictures I would otherwise not have gotten. I walked around Raccoon Lagoon getting a bunch of pictures of some of the more interesting kiddie rides. They have some nice older rides, including this Doodle Bug ride, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175396-M.jpg a neat old tracked car ride based on the Lincoln Highway (it even had a nice information plaque about the road), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175401-M.jpg hand carts for both children, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175406-M.jpg and adults (which is cool), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175404-M.jpg a kiddie Turtle ride (each turtle has a name), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175398-M.jpg and even the little boat ride on the edge of the small lagoon. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175409-M.jpg I was over this way to get a ride on Mister Roger's Neighborhood, which I'd heard gets pretty long lines due to its low capacity, but is worth it if only because it is different. The ride was created in 1989 by he park staff with the assistance of the late Fred Rogers. He help with the design and voiced all of the characters. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175417-M.jpg I sat down with about 20 minutes until the ride opened. There was a family already there ahead of me, and soon others lined up behind. The queue is nice, it is set up like an old trolley stop, with a small roofed shelter over a long line of benches. When it came time for the ride to open, a trolley came out of the woods and we boarded. The trolley itself is a work of art. I had at first thought it was an original trolley from somewhere, and components of it may well be, but a small plaque on the inside indicated that it was built in 1989 as well. In any case, it is a great looking vehicle, and looks just like the miniature trolley from the TV show that I so adored as a child. Thing is, no matter how I adored the show as a child, the trolley seems to be just about the only thing I recall from it, perhaps because that was the thing I liked most. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175453-M.jpg In any case, once settled the trolley set off for the Land of Make Believe. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175428-M.jpg King Friday XIII, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175432-M.jpg The X the Owl and Henrietta Pussycat, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175437-M.jpg The Platypus Family, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175440-M.jpg Daniel Striped Tiger, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175443-M.jpg Prince Tuesday and Anne Platypus (who have a thing for each other), http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175445-M.jpg And finishing with the party in the castle courtyard, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175448-M.jpg Is it corny? You bet. But, it was part of my childhood, so I liked it none the less. It is neat that they recreated it. I do wonder, through, if the show even still airs? If it is too simple for children's tastes today? But, I digress. After my trolley ride, I decided to take the train ride, as it was just pulling up as I exited the ride. The train is a common Chance ride, but looked older then most that I have seen. It lazily meandered back through the woods, just out of sight of anything else in the park, and came out onto a bridge crossing the Loyalhanna Creek, which bisects the park. After crossing the creek, it hangs a sharp left and travels through a long shed that is open on the creek side, but closed on the side facing he parking lot. Then in comes into the station in the Hootin' Holler' section of the park, where I exited. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175421-M.jpg Next the the station is Confusion Hill, which I had no clue as to what it was. Turns out I would not find out just yet either. Just as I entered the first room of the attraction, the power went out. They sent everyone out of the ride. Turns out, the power in the entire park was out. I wandered up into the rest of this section, and then into the Old Idlewild section. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175499-M.jpg I really liked this area of the park. It seems management had decided, and rightly so, to keep this area much like it was at the turn of the century. All the buildings are painted a brilliant white with red roofing, and the rides, most older classics like a Scrambler, ferris wheel, and Tilt-a-Whirl, were surrounded by white picket fencing and benches. Even the queues were made with the picket fencing. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175463-M.jpg The power was still out. I walked up a small hill in this area to a large old picnic pavilion. It was a grand structure, with a sign noting its age and various uses over the years, a stage, dancing, and now a picnic grove. It had this beautiful Romanesque facade with a carved lion's head overlooking the park. I shot some photos, and by this time the power was back on, so I headed down and checked out the carousel. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175464-M.jpg The carousel is a classic PTC machine, with some very nice horses and a great, in tune bad organ. It is maintained very well, though some of the horses could have used a touch-up and a coat of varnish. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175476-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175502-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175468-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175471-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175472-M.jpg Next up for me was the Rollo Coaster. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175474-M.jpg This is one of the few Schmeck coasters I had yet to ride, and it is a very unique, though short ride. The wait was about ten minutes, they were running just one train, but that was all they really needed. I got lucky and was in a position to get a front seat ride, they fill just one trainload of riders onto the station platform at a time. The train seems smaller then a normal train, but not as small as a junior train. Also, the only restraint is a single position lap bar, which you squeeze under as you enter. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175478-M.jpg The ride is fast, it is only 900 feet long, but fun. There are not much in the way of forces, just a little airtime, but you weave your way along the hillside and around trees much like on Boulder Dash, which in a way, it is a miniature, tame version of. After exiting the ride, I took a walk around it to get as many angles on it as I could, and it turned out to be more photogenic then I expected. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175489-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175491-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175495-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175488-M.jpg Next to Rollo Coaster was a ride called the Trinado, which is a Huss Tristar. Unfortunately it was closed, but it looked interesting, and I had never seen one like it before. It has three arms that hold a ring of cars much like a Troika, except the arms don't tilt up. Instead, it looks like the entire ride tilts up like an Enterprise. It was a shame it was not running, and did not open while I was there, it looked like a fun ride. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175480-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175479-M.jpg I made my way across to the mouse, but it was still closed, they were resetting it due to the power outage, so I instead hopped on the old Caterpillar next to it. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175510-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175511-M.jpg This is one of only two Caterpillar rides left that still have their canopies, and I have now ridden both. It is a fun little ride, it spins pretty fast and is disorienting when the canopy is pulled up. They also gave a pretty long cycle. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175515-M.jpg Once I got off the Caterpillar, the Wild Mouse had reopened. This is truly a unique ride. It is a Vekoma mouse, the only one out there, and it was assembled within a copse of trees, so it runs in and out of trees, zig zagging around and diving under them. It has this one spot, right above the station, where it dives down under a crossover that itself is surrounded by trees, creating a great effect. On top of this, it is very well run, with minimal braking. It could well be the best mouse out there, even better then the excellent one at Hersheypark. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175512-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175517-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175523-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175526-M.jpg I started to make my way back to the Hootin' Holler' when I spied the Whip hiding next to the Tilt-a-Whirl, and thought I should catch a ride. This particular Whip is interesting. It looks like a Mangels Whip, except the car bodies were made of plastic, as if at one point they were replaced. I can't imagine a Whip car body getting is such bad shape that they would need replacement, so maybe this is a "newer" installation. Even more odd was the way this ride was run. There are no single riders allowed on the ride. I've never seen a Whip like that, and really can't even think of a reason why it would be that way. Another annoying thing, the ride op had to go around the ride after every operation and close all of the lap bars, even though riders are going to board in a moment and open them back up. In any case, when I finally had a partner (a reluctant young kid named Jason), the ride ran pretty well, some good speed in the corners for some nice whipping action. Not as good as some I've been on, but better then others. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175530-M.jpg Walking back through Hootin' Holler', I came to Dizzy Lizzy's, and got in line. After just a few minutes, we were taken into a pre show area with a cute little bottle switching trick. I really didn't know what this ride or walk through was about, until we were led to the next room, where I found a haunted swing. The "ride was pretty long in duration, and the effect worked pretty well, fooling several of the other riders at first. After Dizzy Lizzy's I headed around the corner to Confusion Hill for round two with this attraction. I got on this time. It is a walk through that follows a cute little story line and show some visual tricks. The story is about a bunch of miners that built a hotel to live in. The mine owner found out there was gold in the mine, which ran under the hotel. In his lust for the gold, he ended up collapsing the mine, and the hotel, which is now on a slant. The slant is created so that certain things seen to move against gravity, for instance, in one trick, water is poured and it appears to go uphill. It is a nice little attraction. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175533-M.jpg I considered taking a ride on the new Loggin' Toboggan, but the line was long, and the ride looked pretty lackluster, with just a few zigzags and one hill. It was nicely placed in the park, and the theming of the ride fit that area of the park very well. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175534-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179971-M.jpg I wandered over to Jumpin' Jungle, a children's play area. It has all sorts of activities for the kids, like a giant cargo net for them to climb on, a nice big ball room, and even this cool kid powered calliope, where the kids use rubber mats to make different tones. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175539-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175538-M.jpg I next took a walk through Story Book Land. This area really hearkens back to the story book lands of the fifties. The neat thing about this one, they have not simply left it the same, but have continued to add to the attraction, bring the scenes from the original 15 to 40. The even have a new one going in next year. See if you can remember some of these tales from your childhood: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175540-M.jpg EEEK!!! http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175544-M.jpg Just a little crooked... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175545-M.jpg Rub-a-dub-dub... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175549-M.jpg Not a house I would want to venture into... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175552-M.jpg TIMBER!!! http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175554-M.jpg The dashing knight... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175557-M.jpg ...looking to slay the dragon and rescue the princess, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175558-M.jpg No wonder he couldn't keep his wife, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175563-M.jpg Jack and Jill went up the hill... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175566-M.jpg A gender confused Wolf? http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29175571-M.jpg Some of the Seven Dwarfs http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179890-M.jpg Jack be nimble, Jack be quick... http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179900-M.jpg Humpty hasn't managed to fall yet, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179907-M.jpg After a slow walk through Story Book Land, I headed back to the Old Idlewild section for one last ride on Rollo Coaster, and hopefully a ride on Trinado. Trinado was not to be, still closed, but I had fun on the Rollo Coaster, and then took a ride on the Skooters. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/29179946-M.jpg I love how the Skooter building looks like it would have 100 years ago, too bad the cars are modern cars, slow, actually very slow, and no hitting power what so ever. I would venture to even say this is the worst set of bumper cars I have ever been on. I wandered through the gift shops, finding absolutely nothing of interest, no pins, no good mugs or stickers, not even a patch, and just awful shirts. Oh well, I did take allot of photos, and I mean allot, so that would surffice, so I headed out. I spent just a bit less then five hours in the park, and had a good time. It was hot and sticky, and I was surprised we didn't get a quick shower. The park itself was not too crowded, it was busy, but I didn't wait more then 10 minutes for anything. The waterpark looked very busy, for good reason. Overall, I really liked the park, and was glad to finally make it there. It was always one of those parks that I passed by on my way to Kennywood or Cedar Point, and never had the time to stop, so it was a good idea to make the time. I liked the turn of the century charm the park has kept, while still modernizing into a theme park atmosphere. It is a great family park, with lots of kid friendly attractions, and a few thrill rides for the older ones. It could use a larger wooden coaster, something not too big, but a nice midsized ride using the woods that surrounds the park. I think that would fit there very nicely, and make it more attractive to families with older children. Well, I hope you enjoyed. I know this was a little long winded, but I felt I should really cover the whole thing. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 04:50:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24191 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 11:50:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:49:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:49:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E231D1.2010906@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=u0tvpChAqWkjvtQjA9WXbI2CVOEyGgJsX_FYxwH_4sAj3F5TfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Then you should like MF's lift hill, as the nylon lift cable 'unstretches' as you climb the hill, doing the same "catapult" effect. The differences being steel/wood, chain/cable, and a whole lot of altitude. I can't believe I've never been to Great Escape, considering I'm from Massachusetts, and have done several coaster trips from there since I started doing coaster trips! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > > > Chris wrote on 7/22/2005, 4:42 AM: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" > > wrote: > > It also has the most thrilling lift hill I've ever ridden. > > > > > Jay > > > > Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't > > been on this coaster. > > > > :) > > > > Chris B > > The lift actually speeds up as the train nears the top, catipulting the > train over the top. > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 04:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89819 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2005 11:57:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:57:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E233A0.3090400@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.31 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Schmecking it out (was Recent Poll) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aiPzHlaqO08H9z0xWk7IbO94MuAqfkptWVLFrh0HOTQ2QgoIKw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > I am in the midst of writing a report on my first visit to Idlewild, and > I really liked the Rollo Coaster. I likened it to a smaller, tamer > Boulder Dash with the way it just seems to scamper along the hill side. > -- > Nathan Brown Great comparison! I totally agree! I also feel that it fits the younger target audience of the park pretty well, too. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 07:16:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44218 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38182 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2005 14:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050724141651.38180.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:16:51 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Bristol, Conn., theme park outlines expansion plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=hRRLKBuP0-HsP3_oR-_2d2efMf9cpm1lC5uaoJU0lxG0iI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I know a lot of the big parks are suffering with low > attendance > figures (and that is a shame), but I'm so thrilled > to see the smaller > parks thriving. From what I understand, so far the midwest is doing so-so, while the Northeast/New England is having quite a good summer for parks of all sizes. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jul 24 20:37:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28434 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2005 03:37:51 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id r.df.181a0897 (3866) for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:37:20 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Coney Island Twins Day 2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=SjjPTbL_h59Mc7lvUTz1fhWXQ7PHz2BbRNrnJTJZ8bTBOPN3Oy8P X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People: My mother Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Dainan (me, 15) We arrived at Coney Island at 12:00 PM. I noticed that the Pirate Ship was closed (roped off) and the queue was missing. We met up with the our agents/leaders of Twinsworld Debbie and Lisa. After we met up with all the twins, we went to the Cyclone. out of 77 coasters, the Cyclone is still my favorite coaster. We sat in the last car each time. We rode twice in a row. After Cyclone we went into Astroland. My mom, Anthony and I went on Dantes Inferno. Savannah didn't want to ride. So me and my mom went in, and than Anthony. Going down the hill I screamed and held my face. Each person in the area stopped what they were doing and looked. We got a big laugh out of that. I love this ride, but the effects aren't as good as they use to be. Anthony headed over to the Water Flume, while my mom and Savannah watched me ride Break Dance. This is the god of all spinning rides. This was only my second time on it, and it's not my last. My first ride was longer though. When I got off, my mom and Savannah couldn't find Anthony because they thought he went on Break Dance, but in an other car. We tried looking for him, but gave up in a minute. He's 15, what could happen? Savannah and I get in line for the Water Flume. We waiter 20-25 minutes in the sun. Luckily it was running both stations and all logs. After 10 minutes in line, we see Anthony come down the hill, and while he's coming around, Savannah and I were just screaming at him. It turns out it was just a misunderstanding. Savannah and I went on the Scrambler next. Anthony skipped this, because he was starting to feel sick. Not from the rides, but just not good. It took about 7 minutes to load. It was annoying. The ride started. It was fun, but the ride was too long. We weren't getting sick, we were just getting bored. After that we went on to the boardwalk and into Deno's. We went down under the Wonder Wheel and straight to Super Shot! Super Shot is a transportable free fall tower from ARM. Savannah and I went on twice. This was (sadly) the most intense drop ride I've ever been on. It lifts you up so slow, that you forget that your moving. When you get to the top you just drop! You don't stop. Also there is a little cover above you, so you can't see above you, if you listen, there are two clicks, the first click and than the second, but when the second goes, you drop. There are no camera rules, so I took advantage and got a POV video. It sill be on my site soon. (I asked the operator before I got onto the platform if I could bring my camera on, he said yes. There is also no signs that say no camera. ) After that we went to eat. It was time to get back to the Cyclone where we were to ride the Cyclone with many twins. What a mess. There were news cameras there and everything. But the operators weren't expecting this. Also, I tried telling the news broadcasters where to go, where the Media entrance was, but they would listen because, I'm 15 and they don't know me through a hole in the wall. We get to the platform, there are two trains loading. During this mess I decided a way to figure out the problem. While the train is loading, we should have gone on at the exit, take that train, while the other train was loading. They didn't do it. The station starts getting crowded. People can't walk. The train gets half filled with twins. Debbie and Lisa knew me and Anthony are coaster enthusiast, and they made us get in the second row, while they get in the first. Lisa chickened out. Train locked, we left. Just like that. Anthony and I looked at each other and said, "WTF!?" Oh well, the ride was good. We get back to the station and it's packed with cameras and reporters. I HATE this. Ever since Coney Island Twins Day 2003 I've hated this. I've avoided them ever since. In 2003, every 13ft we were stopped and interviewed. And last year was not as bad. This year we got interviewed twice. Once inline for Dantes Inferno (I forgot what i said), and the second getting off from the Cyclone Being interview I realized Debbie and Lisa were in the other train (ugh). Because we weren't going to stay for the group photo (I couldn't be happier), my mom decided to take her own group photo, of us and a few other sets of twins. Well, more got in, than more cameras and reports. I wasn't happy! You must remember it was a scorcher so the heat wasn't helping. After the hysteria, Savannah, Anthony and I went on the Cyclone on last time. We got the last car again, but this time in the train they just put on. All I can say was, OUCH! At the bottom of the first drop Savannah (who as arthritis) snapped her neck, and I got a big just up my spine. I watched the car in front of me bounce up and down, back and forth the whole ride. After that we went home. Overall it was a good day. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 11:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35432 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=i0WeWVOh_d8t7cD5pSLH2jPiR5jRzmk-osmQbhPmzEOZZTef2tbIjW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just curious, because I haven't heard much about it,has anyone rode Hydra and is it cool or what? I really like Dominator at Geauga Lake and was wondering how it compares if anyone has rode both. From rablat5@juno.com Tue Jul 26 11:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23548 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.20.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQPA8WAPRGL6A for (sender ); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGp9RumXlE24lJY3GTFfJ4eefQ3W0m9jSLg== Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KYUV7MB7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:40:29 PDT Received: from [144.51.73.129] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:39:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:39:49 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1959585862 X-MAIL-INFO:2d5f1e6bc70baec7a3a30b0fae0f778acbb7eeda7363cad71ab7cb7feadbc3c7ca X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.166|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|rablat5@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.20.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "rablat5@juno.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=M8jYvysQKv_9CT-IKmEra1KAAa0eBgmsG7JBU17261CPjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Actually, I was not much impressed. Probably let down. I didn't like the JoJo roll, and the ride just didn't have a lot of intensity. Give me Talon any day over Hydra. It is, however, much better than the coaster it replaced, but that wasn't that hard to beat. I do, however, like Dominator at Geauga Lake. -Ben ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95265 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:34:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/ap/20050726/ap_on_re_us/death_ride_1 By DUNCAN MANSFIELD SEVIERVILLE, TN -- An amusement park manager convicted of reckless=20 homicide in a passenger's fatal fall from a ride was sentenced=20 Tuesday to 4 years of probation. Charles Stan Martin was convicted earlier this year in the death of=20 June Carol Alexander, a 50-y.o. woman who was riding The Hawk, a=20 swinging gondola-style ride, with her teenage son and her sister.=20 Alexander's harness came loose, and she fell 60' to her death. "We=20 can't sleep at night, screaming out in our sleep, seeing her fall,"=20 the sister, Judy Sprinkles, testified Tuesday. The victim's husband expressed disappointment that Martin did not get=20 any jail time. Martin, 57, manager of the defunct Rockin' Raceway,=20 could have received up to 4 years in prison. "Of course, the man had=20 never been in trouble before, but still I felt he should have gotten=20 some jail time," Richard Alexander said. In addition to probation, Judge Richard Vance sentenced Martin to 200=20 hours of community service and fined him $5,000. Martin is not=20 allowed to work on amusement rides during his probation. Testimony showed that a safety system which would have stopped the=20 ride when Alexander's harness opened had been bypassed with a "jumper=20 wire." No one saw who put the jumper wire in place, but=20 circumstantial evidence pointed to Martin, who was responsible for=20 all maintenance on rides. Martin blamed the ride's Italian=20 manufacturer, Zamperla. District Attorney General Al Schmutzer had asked for the maximum=20 sentence to set an example to other amusement park operators. Defense attorney Bryan Delius, who had asked for probation, said his=20 client was "elated" by the judge's decision. He credited the lighter=20 sentence to some 80 letters from Martin's friends & supporters. ------------- =A9 2005 The Associated Press =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30488 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Kingda Ka opened in May to great fanfare at Six Flags Great Adventure=20 in Jackson. But it's been kept off the tracks since a malfunction=20 during a June 8 test run damaged some parts. No one was on board at the time. Repairing the 456'-tall coaster has taken time because some of the=20 parts were custom made and had to be specially manufactured by Swiss=20 company Intamin A-G. Engineers began testing the ride Thursday, and park officials hope to=20 reopen it soon. But Community Affairs Department inspectors must=20 clear it before that happens. -------------- =A9 2005 by The Associated Press. =A9 2005, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 14:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81801 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 21:49:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:49:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: OP-ED: Buying Dangerous Brands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H7hc2X-lxVTbcYou9J5a49MKXs0OtWPYNF1zvLsIpvoGrNg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 26, 2005 Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05072602.htm By Rick Aristotle Munarriz Is Disney World safe? Over the weekend, Disney's flagship theme park resort in Florida was=20 dealt another blow when a medical report detailed the case of an=20 April fatality on the Dinosaur thrill ride at Disney's Animal=20 Kingdom. The ride was cleared in the mishap; the 30-y.o. passenger=20 had an unfortunate medical history and was wearing a pacemaker. But=20 the press picked up on the story, adding to the bad publicity Disney=20 has garnered lately. This is the kind of story that would normally scoot below the radar.=20 In fact, it almost did. If it were not for the reports coming out of=20 the Bureau of Fair Rides & Exhibitions and the Orange County Medical=20 Examiner's Office, the media would have probably not even have known=20 that it happened. But it did happen. And journalists love to rubberneck when covering=20 the self-proclaimed Happiest Place on Earth. Grim, grinning media comes out to scandalize- For some recent guests at WDW, it has been anything but that. Earlier=20 this month, a teenaged girl suffered a stroke after riding Twilight=20 Zone Tower of Terror and remains in critical condition. In an even=20 more horrific accident, a 4-y.o. boy died in June after riding=20 EPCOT's Mission: Space. Tack on the case of a 77-y.o. woman with=20 medical complications who passed away while riding the rather tame=20 Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Florida's Magic Kingdom back in Feb,=20 and Disney seems downright dangerous. Is Disney too daring for your next family vacation? Of course not.=20 I've been to WDW more than a hundred times since the 1970s. Beyond=20 once gashing a thumbnail when I was 10 while going down a slide at=20 the now-defunct River Country water park, I can't say that I'm any=20 worse for the wear. That certainly isn't meant to belittle the fatalities or the families=20 who have suffered. It's terrible. It's incomprehensible. There's no=20 doubt about that. However, 2 of the 3 deaths were apparently the=20 result of bad timing as the guests came packing plenty of medical=20 history baggage. According to Amusement Business, Disney's 4 Florida parks combined=20 for 40.7 million guests in attendance last year. The law of averages=20 states that a few folks will pass away while on vacation. I've been=20 on cruise ships where guests bid bon voyage and it never makes the=20 printed page. Disney, on any given day, is probably a much safer=20 place to be than, say, driving or walking around. The problem is that=20 the press couldn't care less about the guests who expire while dozing=20 in their guest rooms or on their way to catch a plane to Orlando. It=20 just doesn't make the headlines sing the way an on-ride casualty does. Beyond the Mouse Did you hear about the 15-y.o. kid who was killed for his iPod in New=20 York earlier this month? Again, it was dreadful. But let's be honest=20 here. If the kid would have been fatally stabbed over some generic=20 MP3 player, do you think it would have made the national news?=20 Probably not. This became a big story because it was Apple Computer's=20 iPod. There was even media coverage a few days later when Steve Jobs=20 called the boy's family to offer his sympathy. Clearly there is a downside to having an awesome brand. Think about=20 Taser. Routine Taser law enforcement incidents that do not result in=20 fatalities are often circulated through the media simply because it's=20 Taser. Granted, Taser can't just tell the journalists to clam up.=20 Calling them out for sensationalizing the commonplace would be=20 pointless. Taser, an active stock recommendation in our Rule Breakers newsletter=20 service, has had a rough year and some of the wounds have been self- inflicted. Those are the fair shots to take. Ganging up on Taser just=20 because a police officer used its stun gun to subdue an errant teen=20 in a harmless encounter? That's just brand discrimination. That's why Taser must have relished the opportunity that presented=20 itself when a USA Today story exaggerated the stun gun's electrical=20 force last month. Taser decided to sue Gannett for the=20 misrepresentation. Does Taser have a chance to win the suit? Maybe,=20 but that's not the point. The key here is that Taser decided to take=20 advantage of its media position to stir up some favorable publicity=20 for a change. Is your brand at risk? Are there any prolific names in your portfolio that get called out=20 unfairly from time to time? If your stock is also a verb -- like=20 Motley Fool Stock Advisor selections eBay and TiVo -- odds are the=20 media is just waiting to pounce. Offbeat or illegal consumer-to- consumer auctions rarely get any kind of attention unless the bidding=20 is taking place on eBay. A digital video recorder that isn't a TiVo=20 is just a DVR, and that would make for sleepy headlines. The media isn't doing this out of spite or malice. It's all about the=20 glamour. It's all about being newsworthy. Companies like Disney and=20 McDonald's will spend their corporate lives fending off unnecessary=20 headlines and boycotts and investors must accept that. It comes with=20 the territory. It's even a badge worth wearing. --------------- =A91995-2005 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 15:39:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50649 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2005 22:39:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:39:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Thrill rides transform Six Flags Water Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_WoSphvPy237kMW2tfgMQw-Sn5V84A4zscxCGNPaWk03ojM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 22, 2005 The Capital http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2005/07_22-10/ENT BY SHARON P. CUNNINGHAM Upper Marlboro, MD -- Come down to the islands, Mon! Don't you wish?=20 But it's easier than you think - thanks to the largest makeover in=20 the history of Six Flags America's Water Park. Just 25 minutes south of Annapolis, SFA this summer is showcasing its=20 newly expanded Water Park, Hurricane Harbor. Sporting a tropical=20 Caribbean theme throughout this aquatic paradise, SFHH is a virtual=20 whirlwind of bright, bold colors. Returning visitors will be amazed=20 by the transformation. "I think our Water Park is a huge draw for our=20 season pass holders," said Lahne Mattas-Curry, PR manager. "It's cheaper for them to come here and buy a season pass than=20 purchase a pool membership - and you get so much more," she said. In addition to new retail shops and restaurants, 3 new water=20 attractions make their debut this summer as well. Featured are 2 new=20 family thrill rides, Tornado and Bahama Blast, neither for the very=20 young or meek at heart. And Buccaneer Beach, a new interactive=20 children's water activity area, is specifically designed with the=20 youngest guests in mind. The new Tornado definitely earns its name, resembling a huge funnel=20 lying on its side. Thrill-seekers riding in 4-person, cloverleaf- shaped air rafts begin their rapid descent 75' above the ground. The excitement mounts as riders emerge from an enclosed tube into the=20 great 132' funnel propelled by 5,000 gallons of rushing water. The=20 specially designed, unique cloverleaf rafts navigate the inside of=20 the Tornado, climbing high up the sides before reaching the vortex=20 and passing through the eye of the storm into a cool, refreshing=20 catch pool. "This one is quick! The 1st drop is amazing," Ms. Mattas- Curry assures us. "Everyone we've asked says it's well worth the wait=20 (in line)." Bahama Blast is a real blast, all right. 4 passenger inner tubes are=20 launched from a 55' tower into a 517'-long triple-dip spiraling=20 slide. Entering the enclosed tube, Water Park lovers become=20 immediately disoriented in the darkness. Suddenly they blast through=20 a curtain of water into an open track as they complete their journey=20 in a rush of twists and turns, ending with a huge splash in the pool=20 below. "This ride is better with 4 riders (per float) than 2. With 4=20 people it's more exciting because you go higher up the sides," said=20 Ms. Mattas-Curry. Buccaneer Beach is a bright & colorful maze of interactive spouting=20 fountains, rain curtains and water slides sure to appeal to toddlers=20 & preschoolers. A Tiki water curtain, a tipping bucket, palm trees=20 and a pirate ship add to the whimsical nature of Buccaneer Beach. It's constructed with parental needs in mind, and ample deck space is=20 available within the confines of Buccaneer Beach. Parents can relax=20 just a splash away from the water activity area and their=20 youngsters. "We've made more deck space for the parents so they can=20 camp out in the lounge chairs and watch their kids play," said Ms.=20 Mattas-Curry. Forgot your swimsuit, towel or water shoes? Visit the newly spruced- up retail shops catering to your every need. "We even carry swim=20 diapers for the little ones - a very popular item," said Ms. Mattas- Curry. At SFHH, not only the little ones are catered to. New this year, for=20 adults only, is the Calypso Bar. Patrons can sit barside enjoying=20 their favorite brew in cool shade provided by Caribbean-style ceiling=20 fans under the roof. Papaya Pete's Restaurant also is new to SFHH. Hungry guests can feast=20 on several different chicken meals as well as burgers, hot dogs, subs=20 and other goodies found throughout the harbor. Those guests returning to SFHH this summer will find many of their=20 old favorites with new looks as well. The Water Park's trademark Wave Pool has been renamed Hurricane Bay.=20 New deck carpeting and a colorful new aquatic backdrop adds new life=20 to this old favorite. But one of the park's most innovative=20 improvements can be found along Hurricane Bay's "shores." Private poolside cabanas, unique to this part of the country, are now=20 available for daily rental. These secure red-&-white tented areas=20 include a table and chairs for up to eight people. They rent for $55=20 weekdays and $75 on weekends. "They are very popular because you can=20 enjoy the park without leaving someone behind to watch your stuff,"=20 said Ms. Mattas-Curry. Paradise Lagoon, the Water Park's lazy river inner tube ride, is=20 still in operation, as is the only "regular" swimming pool, the=20 lagoon in the center. Guests feeling a bit lucky can still indulge in=20 the selection of arcade games lining the entrance to SFHH. And if that's not enough, the price of one general admission (or=20 season's pass) also gains you entrance into the SFA Amusement Park,=20 where the transformations originally began. Since it became a SF=20 theme park in 1999, a steady evolution has been in progress. Now,=20 with 8 roller coasters and a spectacular variety of rides and shows=20 for all ages, coupled with a completely made-over Water Park boasting=20 more than 100 water slides, it's no wonder this park draws more than=20 a million visitors each year. Come see for yourself. Come down to the islands, Mon! ----------- =A9 2005 The Capital, Annapolis, Md. From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Jul 26 17:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72676 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 00:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 00:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 00:44:24 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072700151701100knof3e>; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:15:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=LkbVgEyaf2qvAIBrHICk_loBCnrNGz0LYLc9KYaciEfE7TeAOzI X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree that Hydra fails to impress, it's too small/short and aside from the bizarre start has no real stand-out/memorable moments. Dominator is a much better ride and the only floorless I really like (yes, much more than Medusa). I'll take a B&M inverted over a floorless any day, hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: rablat5@juno.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge Actually, I was not much impressed. Probably let down. I didn't like the JoJo roll, and the ride just didn't have a lot of intensity. Give me Talon any day over Hydra. It is, however, much better than the coaster it replaced, but that wasn't that hard to beat. I do, however, like Dominator at Geauga Lake. -Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 17:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17738 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 00:51:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133FE9A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:51 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=gZ57wCOMydF2U9lK2ok6v01uV3JZxD48XQVEwlmbRsZAG9F2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Mark, > hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the 2006 or 2007 season.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 18:14:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80900 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:14:29 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so157397wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.11 with SMTP id 11mr284287wrq; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:13:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=Sg49br3wzKM9HXM84IQxZOxVb1A4cXkfTbRFU-03GxnWvEUZ2QQ4rgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the=20=20 > 2006 or 2007 season.. Put your money on a Proslide Tornado for 2006. :-) -Nate From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 26 18:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55687 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 37870 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2005 01:23:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.96.109.26] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:36 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=4E-bVjOFcSea6W4GKiXVqdZC4Y3hagn9sUc54QqBQjVu6ng X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I was on it today (waterpark jammed, hard ride park dead). I rode once in the back and once in the front. Here is my quick breakdown: JoJo Roll: Novel for the first ride, not that great afterwards. The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. The first drop is decent and goes into a nice turn around. After that it is through a great heartline, another inversion and through a funky cobra roll. The ride then bunny hops up, dives through an inversion, turns around, and dives through another inversion before hitting the brakes. Overall the ride is good and popular with the GP. Worth however many million they paid for it...I don't know about that. But it will definiley be around longer than Herc. One interesting thing is that it picks up a noticeable vibration about half-way through the cobra roll and holds it through the end of the ride. My guess is that it is track fab. issue, but I'm not sure. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From onhisown@comcast.net Tue Jul 26 18:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: onhisown@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6752 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from pc9723911 (c-24-118-229-40.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.229.40]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072701133201100kguibe>; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:13:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Mark Oldfield" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224571963; y=H5DEq8lkJxrWyYlJIFvZ_o9999d1y-GecMdRVIHY6lxExL-OaoY X-Yahoo-Profile: onhisown127 > I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the > 2006 or 2007 season.. > > Cameron. You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). A park like HW adds their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. Much prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. Mark From filipm2@rpi.edu Tue Jul 26 20:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99829 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:48:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com (smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com [205.188.118.99]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-542e703fd198; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:13 -0500 Received: from [172.141.16.100] (AC8D1064.ipt.aol.com [172.141.16.100]) by smtp-dtc14.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R3m4Ro011185 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85BE2442-3ED8-471D-9226-E31AA0402CFF@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:51:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 205.188.118.99 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=Ynw5Sgn2XhVxfkZsiDNBVXhOePtz9kGgSUpDoucKtVueW0x0Rj6j X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the >> 2006 or 2007 season.. >> >> Cameron. >> > > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). A park like HW adds > their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. Much > prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Holiday World is adding a third wood coaster, sure... but its a really big wood coaster, and thats how theyre marketing it... in the end, regardless of how many of the same type of coasters there are, both coasters are just gimmicks to boost attendance. And its not like The Voyage is mind blowingly original... it seems like in the beginning when they were planning it they said to the Gravity Group, OK, design a cross between The Beast and Shivering Timbers. Anyone can design hops and a turnaround. If Holiday World had the same land as SFGAm (not as many trees and hills), there wouldn't be any theming except a little wood sign outside the station with the logo of the ride on it, just like SF. If you're that much more likely to visit Holiday World, its probably becasue of the atmosphere there, and friendlier employees... not because of the amount of thought they put into their new rides, because both parks don't seem to do much of that. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 20:55:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18392 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C391E9A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ZiAVGChTjGlDcGZOhThW0wLbF1MVz_NYRuddOCG_1HSJRmJU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a > speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. All B&Ms do this .. right back to Iron Wolf! It's awesome.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Turn the page, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Wash your hands.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 20:57:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13379 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3209A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FfC5n-u3n4ktbIEtwS15DwOMSLmp9d8_2-xdl6BYuz0MdCsZ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nate, >> I'd put money on Six Flags Great America getting a floorless for the >> 2006 or 2007 season.. > > Put your money on a Proslide Tornado for 2006. :-) Yeah .. but who cares about silly water-parks?! :-) [I should point out that while I'm not huge fan of water-parks, I do think it's been a terrific addition to the park...] Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're nothing but a fish, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you fish!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:01:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28088 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.198) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:01:19 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so147376wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.58 with SMTP id 58mr305919wrs; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:00:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=XRBnKQj8xMi8WudpW4P72y3aqgHcsssJ2zrTzL0I4U_6Q7UrqmXqE5w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > The ride is unique because the lift motor is interconnected with a=20=20 > > speed sensor and actually matches the train when it attaches. >=20 > All B&Ms do this .. right back to Iron Wolf! It's awesome.. Are you sure? I think all B&M coasters control the speed of the train before it enters the lift. For instance, Iron Wolf has, I believe, a set of brakes and kicker tires that feed the train into the lift at the correct speed. Hydra seems to work the other way (changing the speed of the lift to match the train). Of course, I could be completely wrong on this. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:05:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9541 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:05:39 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC169A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:05:38 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:05:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=EBcBkkOoNts6f7f2YBo7mHTgpQPg9TlOtdn0b3onj3VwlOak X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon On Jul 26, 2005, at 20:13, Mark Oldfield wrote: > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). Well, that's true when the rides are good .. and I think that Six Flags Great America has a pretty good collection. > A park like HW adds their third coaster and I'll be ten times more > likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter Do we know that it's cookie cutter? Besides, cookie cutter isn't a problem if the cookie is good! And aside from Superman, I feel that all of the clones at Six Flags Great America (all two of them) are great. Holiday World is probably one of my favorite parks (along with Kennywood and Dollywood), but it's just so freaking out of the way that I can't see going there any more often than once every two or three years. Besides, I think it's unrealistic to compare any corporate park with a small family owned one. > Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and > SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. Elaborate, please.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:08:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1989 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:07:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900989A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050727012336.37868.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5EA7281F-B76A-4DF0-9120-FECD961E0EFD@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:07:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GQF8WsCGpbvDLvwJAnCszWVARJEExsjfXsRRznfqtVimB4s_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, > Are you sure? I think all B&M coasters control the speed of the train > before it enters the lift. For instance, Iron Wolf has, I believe, a > set of brakes and kicker tires that feed the train into the lift at > the correct speed. Hydra seems to work the other way (changing the > speed of the lift to match the train). Oh, that could be the case. My original point was that B&M coasters usually have some method of matching the speed of the train with that of the lift. (And as an engineering geek, I've always found this pretty fascinating..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Start wearing purple * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** for me now... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From coasterdude318@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:09:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77195 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:09:23 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so176538wri for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.11 with SMTP id 11mr309321wrq; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:08:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=3Zw3gDx3oC4DtI5V85nbOxbELWsRyZBTlP4hTvIILzQj_OisRzJCY7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and = =20 > > SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. >=20 > Elaborate, please.. SFGAdv: Intamin composite wooden coaster SFoG: Hypercoaster (?) Those are the rumors, anyway. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 26 21:26:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44741 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 04:26:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (privbrain.theramp.net [192.168.1.1]) by buzzneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E299A69 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2304AB0A-B5B3-4EDF-B40D-C2FB1D9E951F@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Originating-IP: 64.254.223.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YVFTnpFLjOMGbWmjNNGtQRTGcG5C1rkdiy6VHdKfl_yVr3Kh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, On Jul 26, 2005, at 23:08, Nate K. wrote: >>> Have to admit tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and >>> SFoG for next year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. >>> >> >> Elaborate, please.. >> > > SFGAdv: Intamin composite wooden coaster > SFoG: Hypercoaster (?) > > Those are the rumors, anyway. Oh yeah .. Six Flags Great America won't be getting either of those. (Not that I know anything .. but I'd be very surprised..) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 09:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34659 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 16:55:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:55:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Gettysburg Woman's Death At Amusement Park Ruled Accidental X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KL4Ro0G1ZAgd-BNDV6BECYAV5YMoTXCGvkEhE4FZnSic5Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There is no By-line to this article, and no reference as to the=20 original story. Take it for what it's worth. -Alan ------------------------ July 27, 2005 WGAL Channel 8 Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/wgal/20050727/lo_wgal/2848153 The death of a Gettysburg woman this month on a ride at a Six Flags=20 Amusement Park has been ruled accidental. =20=20 The medical examiner said Maria Salazar died of cardiac arrhythmia. An autopsy showed obesity and a fatty liver also contributed to=20 Salazar's death. ------------- =A9 2005 TheWGALChannel.com =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 10:58:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44556 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 17:58:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:58:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Horses Seized From West O.C. Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Cgb5IyqhSwdCcchVB_O-iqQZalEklMYrtsB8VCHOLjXvPKo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 27, 2005 WBOC Channel 16 http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D3642594 by Elizabeth Harrington WEST OCEAN CITY, MD -- The police on Tuesday seized several horses=20 from a local amusement park after receiving reports of abuse.=20 Officers with the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation seized the=20 3 horses from the premises of Frontier Town in West Ocean City.=20 Capt. Stuart Murray of the Worcester County Sheriff's Office said the=20 police have received many complaints from park visitors & employees=20 about abuse of the animals and "indicating that some of them have=20 open sores on them, indicating that they're showing signs of=20 dehydration." The police brought in a veterinarian to check out the 3 horses.=20 Afterward they were removed and taken to a horse rescue farm for=20 medical treatment. The police say 1 horse was close to heat stroke.=20 But they say it was too late for a 4th horse who died last=20 Friday. "We were advised by the employees here that they were told it=20 was a massive heart attack however that horse also had signs of=20 dehydration and malnourishment," Murray said. One Frontier Town visitor said the horses look sick. "The rider was=20 really pushing them like whipping them to make them go," said Bob=20 Carnahan. "The horses looked really tired and exhausted, just run=20 down." Managers at Frontier Town refused to comment on the investigation. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2005, WorldNow and WBOC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6861 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:06:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:06:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Legislature votes to offer incentives for tourist attractions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5RGntWjTuKUEjPswXt44UtYXnjd99A321cTLFk0CovN-Q8U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 26. 2005 The Associated Press Tuscaloosa News http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050726/APN/507261186 Tuscaloosa, Alabama -- The Alabama Legislature approved a bill=20 Tuesday that supporters hope will help the state lure a major=20 amusement park or similar attraction to the state. The House gave final approval on a 82-11 vote to a bill to allow the=20 state to offer tax breaks and incentives to people who want to build=20 tourist attractions, similar to what has been offered to lure major=20 industries like Honda and Mercedes into the state. The bill was approved on the final day of a special session. The measure had been pushed for several years by Rep. Sue Schmitz, D- Toney. The bill passed the House in the regular session but failed in=20 the Senate. "I think this will have a tremendous impact on Alabama=20 tourism," Schmitz said. "We want to become a destination state rather=20 than a pass-through state." Schmitz said the incentives would only be available for major=20 attractions. "This would create jobs," Schmitz said. ----------------- =A9 2002 The Tuscaloosa News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:16:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73779 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:16:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Man fondled teens at water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9u17OX4qNGoSI2XFnAlyVjfXApCNDupjR_VOkuT77xh1KiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 27, 2005 Seacoastonline.com http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/07272005/news/54724.htm By Elizabeth Dinan PORTSMOUTH, NH -- A 19-y.o. Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday on=20 2 charges of sexual assault for incidents alleged to have occurred at=20 Water Country. Christopher Andino, 19, was arrested by Portsmouth police at 3:40=20 p.m. on July 24 following reports from 2 teenage girls who said they=20 were sexually assaulted. According to Portsmouth Police Lt. Earl Case, Officer Tim Cashman was=20 working a police detail at WC when he was informed by the water=20 park's manager that the girls had reported the assaults to him. Case said the girls reported they were swimming in the amusement=20 park's wave pool when Andino pulled them toward him, grabbed them by=20 the waist and pulled 1 or both of them against his body. He's also=20 alleged to have put his hand beneath one of the teen's bikini tops. Case said Andino was not known to the teenagers. "It was just=20 somebody else in that sea of people," he said. According to the police spokesman, based on a description by the teen=20 girls, Officer Cashman located Andino in the water park near=20 the "tube shack" surrounded by park employees and placed him under=20 arrest. Case said he was arrested without incident. Andino was released on personal recognizance bail and is scheduled to=20 be arraigned in Portsmouth District Court on Aug. 22. ---------- =A9 2005 Seacoast Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:24:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8439 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 18:24:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:23:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2005 18:23:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:23:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Carowinds' WinterFest will offer lights, ice rink, snow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-nrO-h4TUsjhHByrMRytvaM2TVwtLoCtr007ufIqNc2suM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jul. 25, 2005 The Charlotte Observer http://www.centredaily.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/12215254.htm? source=3Drss&channel=3Dcharlotte_entertainment by JEFF ELDER Charlotte, NC -- On these midsummer days, when the sun glares down=20 and your shirt feels like it was tarred to your back, you might find=20 yourself wishing for a little bit of wintertime. Boys and girls, here it is. Paramount's Carowinds is announcing WinterFest, a new multimillion- dollar attraction, at a news conference this morning at the park. The winter festival, which the park bills as "the largest=20 Christmastime event in the Carolinas," premieres Nov. 25 and will=20 last for 23 nights. Features include: =95 More than a million twinkling lights. =95 The park's 320' Carolina Skytower transformed into what the park=20 bills as one of the tallest Christmas trees in the world. It will be=20 visible for miles. =95 A decorated 65' fir tree hollowed out so people can stroll through=20 the middle. =95 Live musical performances portraying Santa's workshop. =95 A parade of floats depicting classic Christmas scenes. =95 An outdoor ice rink of about 2,500 sq-ft, with rental skates and=20 cocoa served nearby. =95 Turkey and ham dinners. =95 Snow (made by a machine) falling from the sky. =95 And, of course, Santa. The park assures parents St. Nick will be=20 there to hear everyone's holiday wishes. Scott Rutherford, a staff writer for Amusement Today, an industry=20 magazine based in Arlington, TX, says WinterFest is a big deal. "I=20 think this thing will be huge," says Rutherford, who lives in=20 Charlotte and is author of the book "The American Roller Coaster." "Other than the local malls and the McAdenville lights, there's not a=20 whole lot to do outdoors on chilly evenings between Thanksgiving and=20 Christmas." The Gaston County mill town of McAdenville, with as many as 400,000=20 lights strung along its streets, has been the area's biggest light=20 display, drawing an estimated 600,000 people last year. Rutherford pointed out that Dollywood, the bodacious theme park in=20 Tennessee, has enjoyed great success with a winter festival. And Scarowinds, the Halloween festival at Carowinds, has drawn=20 increased visitors each year since it opened in 2000. (The park says=20 it has nearly doubled the 1st year's attendance.) Rutherford guessed WinterFest will draw families, grandparents and=20 grandkids, young couples who haven't yet settled into holiday=20 traditions, and groups just looking to enjoy a holiday season out. The park says WinterFest celebrates the holidays and wintertime, but=20 not specifically Christianity in any religious way. There will be=20 small displays honoring Kwanzaa and the religious aspects of=20 Christmas and Hanukkah. Why announce WinterFest now? Check your calendar: It's exactly 5=20 months until Christmas. (Carowinds also hoped the early announcement=20 would encourage people to make it part of their holiday plans.) In addition to WinterFest, some children's rides and attractions will=20 be open each night. Carowinds held a WinterFest once before, in 1983. But the park says=20 this will be on a much larger scale. The Skytower was decorated as a=20 Christmas tree from 1983 until 2002, when the Borg roller coaster=20 changed the park's layout. Now the Skytower will be decorated in a=20 much grander way, the park says. We now return you to your regularly scheduled scorching summer day. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2005 Knight Ridder From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jul 27 12:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18585 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2005 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.1d7.41500911 (18555) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d7.41500911.30193c39@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:36:25 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Kings Island Winterfest-The Magic Returns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The region's most anticipated event returns to the Cincinnati area on Friday, November 25th. Winterfest, the holiday event that took the area by storm for 10 years from 1982-1992 will return bigger and more spectacular than ever! Winterfest 2005 promises to bring the holiday season the quality and splender of Christmas in New York's Rockefeller Center. This will not be the Winterfest of yester year, but will create a new unforgettable family experience never before seen in this region. Several NEW attractions have been planned for this year's event, including: Nightly Lighting of International Street- In the past, the Tower was lit once and stayed lit throughout the entire season. This year, each night a family will be selected to light the 314 ft Tree on The Eiffel Tower, which will begin the nightly activities. White Christmas Express-The train returns transformed into a 1940s era ride with a cast of characters portraying Home For The Holidays scenes throughout your ride, where you will end at a quaint snow covered village. Holiday Illuminations, On Swan Lake in Rivertown-You will be mesmerized each night by innovative immersive light show effects reflecting off the waters of Swan Lake. Lights will dance and pulsate on larger than life Christmas trees to high energy old and new favorite Christmas tunes. Bubba Gumps Yuletide Feast-The Bubba Gump Shrimp Shack will be transformed into a yuletide jam on the screened in backporch of Bubba Gumps serving up, shrimp, shrimp and more shrimp! Santas Christmastown in Nickelodean Central-Reminiscent of a Christmas Department Store of days gone be, kids and parents can visit Santa Claus. Nickelodeon Holiday Tree Lot, in the Paramount Story on International Street-Meet your favorite Nick characters in this Christmas Tree lot, where you can pose for photos with your favorite Nick Characters, and where it will magically snow everyday! Christmas Parade-Each night Santa becomes the Grand Marshall of a spirited holiday parade of yesterday's hometown holiday celebrations. Old favorites will also be returning such as ice skating on the Royal Fountain, International Street being transformed into millions of twinkling lights, The Grand Carousel decked out for the holidays as well as the Hanna Barbera Carousel. Scooby's Haunted Castle will also be open. Also, The Festhaus will once again be transformed into an old world Christmas favorite with holiday foods and performances by carolers from around the world. The old Scrooge will also bring his own form of cheer back to Winterfest. Toy Factory-an old favorite classic show of a peek into Santas Workshop also returns to the Paramount Theatre. Admission to Winterfest will be somewhat different than years past. Season passes will not be honored at Winterfest, but will allow you a $1 off admission. You will need to make reservations in advance to attend Winterfest. Tickets in advance will be $17.99 and are on sale now. Tickets at the gate are $24.99. They are only going to sell a limited number of tickets to Winterfest each day, and they are not guranateeing you will be able to get in if you do not purchase in advance. Parking will be $5. Winterfest will only be open on weekends November 25-December 11. Daily operations of Winterfest begin on December 16th. Hours will be 4-10, except on Sundays, 4-9. The park will be closed on Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day. The Magic Returns, November 25th, 2005! _http://www.pki.com/winterfest/index.cfm_ (http://www.pki.com/winterfest/index.cfm) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 04:18:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60432 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 11:18:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:18:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 287 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.65 From: "Chris" Subject: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Hxu3h8GIVYdhuGsECe_cX2DWXCXfDANw8KjNxSWnKGEDbQgo2w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. Let me know what you think. Chris B I'm going to Nagashima Spa Land, Suzuka Circuit and PokePark if there is time on Staurday, anybody want to join? From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 28 08:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25639 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2005 11:01:42 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,150,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="64315471:sNHT7637253516" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6SF1bkU011182 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:39 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E7172E9-CB5C-4F24-92C3-1B68BC7E8D7E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2005 15:01:39.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[41D3F330:01C59385] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=bY5IHjgY-sxpOS4booUIdyPpl25cu5MPTBYaSP4zNiw1NLvt X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Chris, That's great, thanks! Cameron. On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Chris wrote: > I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is > totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. > > Let me know what you think. > > Chris B > > I'm going to Nagashima Spa Land, Suzuka Circuit and PokePark if there > is time on Staurday, anybody want to join? > > > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Use the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** tractor thing! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jul 28 08:28:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3472 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 15:28:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 15:27:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:27:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.132.241.69 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=152UkJF0vGrojTJith9Mtx8RESA4Uw6exV0rVtJ07lt6OGoTDw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Let me know what you think. Yeah, that could work! It'd allow ride designers to really expand the envelope. By reducing the chance of riders falling out, they could design even more intense rides with greater forces, more hang time, wilder inversions...and we could finally get rid of those pesky "Do Not Stand Up" signs that are cluttering our skylines. Jon "please remain seated until your ride comes to a complete stop" Z The First From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:47:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9868 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:47:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:46:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:46:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WsJTkWCHNrZjQCFalKdNkjCDuMuY3PQfCEij6niyBLUsNUI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Boy! That really hits it on the head... or... uhh... well, you know what I mean ;p -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > I posted a photo in the Photos section, under "Miscellaneous." It is > totally on topic, and could be the future for all ride types. > > Let me know what you think. > > Chris B From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:52:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96855 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:52:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:52:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nS97M_9toiOBcTl3V8OOR6zmQtBxvbWL9jwpYw2k9s-gjN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 "Permanecer sentada ,por favor" -Alan - Who's "Disney" is showing --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > Jon "please remain seated until your ride comes to a complete stop" Z > The First From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:59:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22684 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 17:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:59:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 947 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Smoke ban at Bay Beach goes before Green Bay council X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rYfgvazg7-VW_rXFLxID3TlNQqrIgQaNgA2Up2mnGMSSWhs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Green Bay Press-Gazette http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_21955922.shtml by Andy Behrendt Green Bay, WI -- A recommendation to ban smoking at Bay Beach=20 Amusement Park will go before the City Council on Tuesday. The city's Park Committee last week unanimously endorsed a proposal=20 from Alderman Earl Van Den Heuvel to create the ban in order to cut=20 down on litter. City parks director Bill Landvatter said the ban would apply to the=20 park's ride area, joining the pavilion, where smoking is already=20 prohibited, whereas picnic areas would still allow it. He cited=20 concerns with enforcement and referred to the proposed ban as an=20 educational and preventive program. The city would install no-smoking=20 signs in the area and move receptacles for cigarette butts elsewhere. The City Council meets at 7 p.m. Tuesday in Room 203 of City Hall,=20 100 N. Jefferson St. ---------- =A9 2004 Gannett Wisconsin Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:06:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98808 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:06:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:06:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Florida Christian theme park wins lawsuit over tax exemption X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7nh3Wf2cL5Gv7JcN6xcWUBvgp3h0QuRImhMFDLJO5do1bCE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Associated Press South Bend Tribune http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/07/28/faith.20050728-sbt- MICH-D2-Florida_Christian_th.sto ORLANDO, Fla. -- A circuit court judge has ruled in favor of full tax=20 exemption for the Holy Land Experience, a Christian theme park. The park was developed by a non-profit ministry called Zion's Hope.=20 It was granted only limited exemptions for administrative and=20 education facilities. The Orange County Property Appraiser's office=20 denied the group's broader exemption request in 2001, arguing the=20 park was a tourist attraction, not a church. Now, Judge Cynthia MacKinnon has ordered full exemption, saying=20 Zion's Hope "is using the property to spread what it considers to be=20 God's word to many people at one time," whereas the purpose of, say,=20 Disney World "is indisputably to make money." ---------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:13:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75504 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:13:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Water_park=92s_music_put_on_trial?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xzan_fmcUnOpl6FSqMzvVrz52rMgaj1BDM3zEo13bGRqzX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 28, 2005 Post-Tribune http://www.post-trib.com/cgi-bin/pto-story/news/z1/07-28- 05_z1_news_18.html By Jim Stinson Porter, IN =97- Splash Down Dunes can have another Sunday with music,=20 but after that, it's up to a judge. The water park in the town of Porter is facing a lawsuit by Burnell=20 Avenue residents that went before Porter Superior Court Judge Bill=20 Alexa on Wednesday. At issue is if Alexa can intervene, and apply town or state statutes=20 that regulate noise and nuisances, respectively. Gordon Etzler, attorney for the water park, argued the Porter town=20 ordinance applied only to industrial districts. The park is not in an=20 industrial zone. But Kevin Marshall, representing the homeowners, said residents were=20 seeking relief from both a public and private nuisance caused by the=20 park's Sunday music, which is played from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Alexa has to decide after the next7 days of findings of fact if he=20 should issue a temporary restraining order and a preliminary=20 permanent injunction. That would take the music out of the park. Testifying first was homeowner Jerrold Trezzo, who spoke of the=20 park's sounds ruining his Sundays off work. The park is open May-September, but hosts a music DJ for 7 Sundays=20 from June-August. "The sound actually penetrates my house," said=20 Trezzo. "We hear kind of a bass noise. There's no escape from this=20 noise." Making matters worse are the public announcements, said homeowner=20 Cary Alison.=20 After the 2 home owners testified, Etzler moved for dismissal. Alexa=20 declined. Then the DJ testified, and admitted he has been dialing down the=20 volume. "I'll freely admit, 5 years ago, it was pretty loud," said=20 Rob Surber of Rolling Sounds DJ Service. After adjournment, owner Deb Childress and Surber said the musical=20 theme for the water park does draw customers, sometimes from as far=20 as Chicago and South Bend. Alexa said he will issue his order after making a determination based=20 upon findings from both attorneys. ----------- =A9 2004 Digital Chicago, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:22:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1049 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:22:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:21:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Dozens of Disney strays put down before park opens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IStKGPBiLb3iUs6aMcq2av0SRk40Qg6pGiyl-mnfvUSzbA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 25, 2005 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/nm/20050725/od_uk_nm/oukoe_hongkong_disney_dogs_1 HONG KONG, China -- Dozens of stray dogs roaming around the new Walt=20 Disney theme park in Hong Kong have been rounded up and put down as=20 the company prepares to open the park in Sept, a newspaper said on=20 Monday. =20=20 The South China Morning Post reported that the dogs had been cared=20 for by construction workers but were abandoned after the park was=20 built. A spokeswoman for Walt Disney Co. said they had asked the government=20 to round up the strays because they were roaming around in packs and=20 felt they posed a safety risk. "It was felt that they posed a safety=20 risk to our staff and construction workers," she said. "What the=20 government is doing is in line with its policies." Disney, which produced hit cartoons films such as "101 Dalmatians"=20 and "Lady and the Tramp", and memorable characters such as Goofy and=20 Pluto, said it did not know how many had been put down, although the=20 Post said the figure was around 40. ------------ =A9 2005 Reuters Limited =A9 2005 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98824 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2005 18:38:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:38:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 6960 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Abe as a theme park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=afexYqqm5Y7aynCoXAq_VZqcanmgu9jwkhGH9rxhcHKKhY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I must admit, this may or may-not be Off-Topic, but I'll let you=20 decide. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ July 24, 2005 South Bend Tribune The Washington Post http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/07/24/living.20050724- sbt-MICH-F3-Abe_as_a_theme.sto By GARY LEE Springfield, Il -- The new Abraham Lincoln Museum in Springfield,=20 Ill., allows visitors a fleeting moment of frivolity. Just inside the=20 marble lobby, families can pose with re-enactors of Abe - scruffy=20 beard, black top hat & all - and his wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, in long=20 gown and bonnet. Then the Disney Moment is over. What follows at the $90.1 million complex is an emotional total=20 immersion, augmented by a mix of jolting images and high-tech=20 presentations, into the world of one of the most complex figures in=20 American history. Some displays are wrenching, such as the lifelike statues of a slave=20 family being auctioned on a block. By the account of historians, such=20 a scene was probably glimpsed by 19-y.o. Lincoln during a Mississippi=20 riverboat trip down South. The wife is being sold one way and the=20 husband another, while a little boy tugs on his mother's skirt. The=20 point, a guide explained, is to dramatize the psychological horrors=20 of slavery, an issue that would hang heavy over Lincoln for life. Other exhibits - such as the replica of Lincoln's law office,=20 depicting the young father in stockinged feet with his head buried in=20 a newspaper, oblivious to his2 young sons wreaking havoc nearby -=20 give a rare human dimension to an often exalted figure. Taken together, the re-created historical episodes, multimedia shows=20 and memorabilia spread throughout the 100,000-sq-ft complex offer an=20 intriguing close-up look at the man who taught himself to read,=20 became the 16th US president, led the nation through 4 years of=20 bloody war, emancipated slaves and saved the Union. It has been more than 2 months since the museum opened in the small,=20 slow-paced Illinois capital where Lincoln worked as a lawyer &=20 provincial politician, and the steady flow of schoolkids, retirees=20 and other visitors streaming through testifies to its popularity. The=20 place easily holds enough material to keep a casual traveler's=20 attention for the better part of a day. And if it whets your=20 interest, side excursions to other Lincoln heritage sights in and=20 around the city - Lincoln's home, his old law office, the Old State=20 Capitol building where he served as legislator, and his tomb in=20 nearby Oak Ridge Cemetery - are easily available. Signposts=20 throughout the museum refer to other locales on the Lincoln trail. In some ways, the museum, coupled with the more austere Lincoln=20 Presidential Library across the street, is like an indoor theme park.=20 In the 15-minute film "Ghosts of the Library," best seen at the start=20 of a visit, a holographic man appears and raves about the fascinating=20 people and information that emerge when you start digging around=20 historical archives. In the end, after acknowledging that he was a=20 soldier in the decisive 1863 Civil War Battle of Vicksburg, he fades=20 away like a figure in a dream. "Lincoln's Eyes," a 17-minute special-effects presentation, makes for=20 good viewing after the film. In it, smoke rings billow through the=20 audience and seats shake to dramatize the onset of the Civil War. Following the2 shows, visitors should be ready to take in the=20 museum's 2 major galleries. The 1st, concentrating on Lincoln's early=20 years, features life-size images of him, Mary and key figures in=20 their lives. There's the adolescent Abe, reading by the light of an=20 open fire; the lanky young man sitting nervously in a parlor next to=20 Mary; the pensive lawyer standing beside Stephen Douglas during the=20 stormy debates of their 1858 senatorial battle. The 2nd major gallery features highlights from the lives of Lincoln &=20 Mary after his election to the presidency. Visitors are ushered into=20 a mock Blue Room of the White House, where Mary is being fitted with=20 a ball gown. Later they pass a scene of an 1862 Cabinet meeting,=20 where the topic is the legal implications of freeing slaves.=20 Eventually, they pass through a solemn room with a flower-covered=20 casket where the assassinated Lincoln lies in state. Although there=20 are no guided tours, docents are available to offer explanations. History buffs drawn to artifacts, original documents or detailed=20 explanations of events may be disappointed. In the Treasures Gallery,=20 only a few historical relics are shown. Among them: Lincoln's=20 original handwritten Gettysburg Address, a signed copy of the=20 Declaration of Independence, Mary's music box and some of the=20 Lincolns' dishes and other household effects. Although the State of=20 Illinois owns thousands of such pieces, a relative handful are=20 showcased here. The video-era museum-goer, however, is well served by the displays.=20 In one, "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert appears in a mock=20 simultaneous broadcast on 3 TV screens commentating on the=20 contemporary advertisements of the 4 candidates who faced off in the=20 1860 presidential race, which Lincoln ultimately won. In modern=20 journalistic parlance, Russert captures the essence of the election=20 and handicaps the candidates. This is "the most dangerously regional=20 and divisive election in America's history," he concludes. "What a=20 mess!" Some purists may be put off by the contemporary method of=20 recounting a race that occurred long before the age of TV. But Richard Norton Smith, the library's executive director, batted=20 back criticisms that the presentations are too Hollywood and schlocky=20 for such serious subject matter. "There is an awful lot of=20 information about a complicated election presented in that display,"=20 he said in an interview. "And it's presented in a way that a TV-age=20 audience can grasp." The War Gallery is equally effective. On one wall, a map of the US is=20 projected, with the sites of the major battles of the war lighting up=20 every few seconds. A running tally of the casualties on both the=20 Union and the Confederate sides flashes on an "odometer of death" in=20 the right-hand corner. The theme of slavery emerges in most of the presentations, often in=20 unpredictable ways. In the Union Theater's "Lincoln's Eyes,"=20 abolitionists are depicted criticizing Lincoln's stance on slavery as=20 a political gesture that overlooked the practice in states such as=20 Kentucky that were friendly to the Union. In another display, black=20 contemporaries of Lincoln offer different views on how they might=20 fare after emancipation. In the Whispering Gallery, an eerie corridor, the walls are covered=20 with caricatures of Lincoln as a monkey, Satan or worse, all taken=20 from newspapers soon after his 1860 election. Personal slurs about=20 him, centering on his favoritism of "Negroes," are everywhere. That=20 honest public portrayal alone makes the Abraham Lincoln Museum worth=20 the trip. ---------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 14:55:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56071 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DyGLk-0000fn-0R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:55:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662ff6f7536aaeb68b3fa4a5d5a3fe0de942350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=vvRpTbpk3OK2ofOCsAKfk2EMF5qF3zm9yGSVS-aAyRSRjJg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash zucker0615 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" > wrote: > > Let me know what you think. > Yeah, that could work! It'd allow ride designers to really expand > the envelope. By reducing the chance of riders falling out, they could > design even more intense rides with greater forces, more hang time, > wilder inversions...and we could finally get rid of those pesky "Do Not > Stand Up" signs that are cluttering our skylines. I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that was hinted at there to! Good stuff. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From coasterdude318@gmail.com Thu Jul 28 14:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude318@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39149 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 21:59:56 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 63so415431wri for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.19.58 with SMTP id 58mr706629wrs; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.17.69 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:59:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E95453.6080803@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Nate K." Reply-To: "Nate K." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207788205; y=JpW3MTlJkAMzteGbh8MArxzeeyHqgriIE59N95WHJ8V6DJf7GtabAbA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that= =20 > was hinted at there to! Good stuff. I think it still looks far more comfortable than Zamperla OTSR's. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 16:24:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28183 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 27319 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2005 23:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.169.96.252] by web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:16 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1122473252.686.61057.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: brian farral Subject: Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Bv4eU0B7g6IK5XgpAvSQP1EwLzFHRe-PTx7eonq4aT7hQTQ7dBic X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Hey everyone, Janice and I are thinking of going to the Jersey shore on the last Saturday in August. We'll be basing our trip out of White Plains, NY. Is it possible to hit all the boardwalks with adult sized coasters (skipping the ones with only kiddies) all in one day? What if we got a hotel near Wildwood Friday night and drove up the shore all day Saturday? I'm just wondering because I had this great idea, and I'm not really sure when we'd ever get another opportunity to do the J.S. Can it be done, or should we just look into something else? Would SFNE have short enough waits for S:ROS to justify going there? I've heard nothing but horror stories about that ride in the past 2 years. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 28 17:42:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53338 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 00:42:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200507281744.AA12910652@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Schmecking it out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=kUTRQN3jF908LkXgj-o7R6A9Wpwjpibfz8SJ3ig2Hdy_8oBBZnpR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Um, Jay, please explain "thrilling lift hill" to someone who hasn't >been on this coaster. < I'm way behind on CoasterTalk, so this may have already been answered. If not, I'll warn those who want to be surprised not to continue reading.... The Comet has a 96-foot-high lift, and it looks like any other. The chain is engaged smoothly and you're pulled up with the familiar clacking sound. But about 3/4 up the hill, something odd happens: the lift begins rapidly picking up speed. It's quite noticeable and always catches first-time riders off-guard. It's as if the lift is yanking you down the first drop. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 01:13:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1141 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 08:13:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:13:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New Ride Restraint System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=umNvjvyTZrLDDwyTonw8pgeWyya_UmQ-kA-zU0pkFJBWeoJ3Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate K." wrote: > > I like it! Also noted the prophetic evolving of a theme park chain that > > was hinted at there to! Good stuff. > > I think it still looks far more comfortable than Zamperla OTSR's. > > -Nate And I was worried noone would find it as funny as I did! I was also worried George would scold me for posting a copyrighted picture! (Not for profit though.) Chris B From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 06:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54893 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2005 13:43:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:43:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Thanks for Hydra comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=_RV2eFcAek3YPHZd94rr7jcR6Fp_wCn_l160r79b1N4luI9EL6RA8N8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just wanted to say thanks for all the comments on Hydra. I guess I'm glad to have Dominator fairly close to me because it sounds like that is one of the better ones. I know I really enjoy it. Not quite as good as an inverted but I think it's a cool concept. Hopefully I'll get to ride X-Flight this summer. I've never been on a flying and that looks like a cool concept so hopefully it's up and running when I go. I've got a feeling Dominator will still be my favorite at Geauga Lake!!! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 06:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58309 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 13:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2005 13:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.153) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 13:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 53072 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 13:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050729135235.53070.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:52:35 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=oQteHSauCA9yRxrbtEwicvrOwAywqjqHpS7u7vjWiW_8zOI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy What are you looking to hit? Wildwood, Ocean City, Seaside, Atlantic City and Keansburg? That is a hell of a lot, especially considering how terrible shore traffic can be. If I had to choose, I would do a full day at Wildwood and a day at Ocean City. Wildwood is the Cedar Point of the shore (lots to do) and OC is the Knoebels (old school shore parks, especially Gillians). Wildwood has a great beach, good food (the Hot Spot was a fav. of mine) and some cool jersey shore spots like Flippers Fascination. OC is more family-oriented, laid back and a great place to walk the boardwalk. Can you do it? If you really wanted to, yes. But, your ratio of time on the road to doing something enjoyable will be pretty shitty. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From Cyclonic07@aol.com Fri Jul 29 17:00:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7046 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.147.4a5dd017 (15876) for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442eac30b370; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:00:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:59:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42EAC2F2.40203@aol.com> References: <20050728232417.27317.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jersey Shore Next Month X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=yQLTtLcXjmpxyyB22ysnxwBlN_GIOJEomBfXGxXgYbtyrsbVhw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo brian farral wrote on 7/28/2005, 7:24 PM: > Hey everyone, > > Janice and I are thinking of going to the Jersey > shore on the last Saturday in August. We'll be basing > our trip out of White Plains, NY. > > Is it possible to hit all the boardwalks with adult > sized coasters (skipping the ones with only kiddies) > all in one day? > > What if we got a hotel near Wildwood Friday night and > drove up the shore all day Saturday? > > I'm just wondering because I had this great idea, and > I'm not really sure when we'd ever get another > opportunity to do the J.S. Can it be done, or should > we just look into something else? > > Would SFNE have short enough waits for S:ROS to > justify going there? I've heard nothing but horror > stories about that ride in the past 2 years. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. Yes, it is. Just start first thing in Wildwood, then head north from there, hitting Ocean City and it's two small parks, Atlantic City and the Steel Pier, Casino Pier at Seaside Heights, and finally Keensburg. It is a long day, but very doable. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Sat Jul 30 10:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87484 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2005 17:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 17:14:25 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (242669hfc88.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.69.88]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j6UHEKb6022594 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c5952a$26876660$58451a18@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:14:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=g0JW_bm35ggyeaY0CF9iIzV1dkUGjEols9WF_C8vo8KX1jPtxpXd X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050730001309990009&ncid=NWS00010000000001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 18:44:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91526 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 01:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:44:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c5952a$26876660$58451a18@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=swoUJ4AHlUDE_IqQmtKP8yDJTMBzMSyp4Ao0c8mHvJFNunYieQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" wrote: > http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp? id=20050730001309990009&ncid=NWS00010000000001 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the reporting more "targeted" than usual? Chris B TR for Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and PokePark later today. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 21:23:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30397 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:23:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.235.228.34 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dmcdigZMB77zgllM50foD0vlw6T62sqrmY1uliR0_oRnX97RX4jt X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been > having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the > world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the > reporting more "targeted" than usual? Yeah! I've heard about a ton of Disney accidents lately. Are they really occurring at a greater rate, or is the press just trumpeting them more because of the Disney name? Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 02:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69403 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 09:57:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:57:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: Ques: Where did I leave my brain? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=B1Je3_1VR71d6tAa8OeuThRinXKH4hVXn2NbBFLubC0-sIB3Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The reason I ask, is I was pretty certain I had written Trip Reports for all the European parks that I have been to. So, my real question is, if I didn't post them here, where the heck did I post them? This question is somewhat rhetorical, unless you actually remember reading my reports on Thorpe Park, Alton Towers, Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Parc Asterix, DLParis, WBMovie World Spain, USMediterranea, Heide Park, Holiday Park, Europa Park, Gardaland, Mirabilandia, Fiabilandia, or Zoosafari Fasanolandia. Shoot, nearly half of them were in one trip! Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 05:51:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59266 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2005 12:51:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:51:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 13228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 60.62.70.142 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G5NcblbDAsnBVTPoBShC_7spnEKhBgmFD8X0sFOFhG5jw-zTZA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Date: 30 August, 2005 Parks: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 Weather: 90+, humid, and afternoon light rain Crowds: Moderate, to heavy (PokePark) I left Yokosuka at a little after 6 AM to catch my 7:30 Shinkansen to Nagoya. As usual, the trains were ultra-reliable. I also timed the actual length of a bullet train stop at a non-end-of-line stop at a mere 60 seconds! Wow, don't be late! I arrived at Nagoya Station at about 9:10, perfect timing to transfer to the Kansai line for my 9:30 train to Suzuka Circuit Inu in a new to me station. I arrived at Suzuka Circuit Inu about 50 minutes later, and sadly no bus or taxi was available, so I walked the 15 minutes to the park. This provided a dramatic view of the SLC, Ferris wheel and single power tower. I believe that this station may be only operated on event days, as there were no turnstiles or ticket machines, only human ticket sellers / takers. As I approached the park, the evidence that there was a race this day became more clear: The whine of high powered motorcycles filled the air this day, and although there were probably more people watching the race than in the park, this probably brought more people into the park than would have been there otherwise. Entrance and "free pass" was 4200 yen, and this seemed to include the grandstands as well, because I was allowed through every gate I came to. This proved a slight problem, apparently the reverse isn't true, as between the track and the rides temporary barriers were placed, causing some difficulty in negotiating the park. Apparently on non- event days, they offer go-kart racing on the actual race track and the access isn`t usually limited. On to the park itself: Blackout, a Vekoma SLC (my ninth), is still operating, although as painful as it was, I can't imagine for how long. I could hear the people in front and behind me saying "Itai, Itai, Itai" (Ouch, Ouch, Ouch) through the whole course. I was grimacing in pain myself, in spite of my defensive riding posture. The train was shaking and vibrating as if it was missing bolts and the rest were loose. After riding F2 at Nasu Highlands last month, I am starting to think that ride maintenance is a bigger contribution to the roughness of a steel coaster than I previously suspected. It's red track and gray supports look decent, although it could stand to be power washed. After Blackout, I crossed under the road to the main portion of the park to check out Rocky Coaster. This Senyo Kogyo creation has a double figure-eight layout and a single short tunnel. The trains are nearly identical to those found on Canadian Jet Rider at Tama Tech, the Tokyo area sister park to Suzuka Circuit. A resemblance to another Senyo Kogyo ride, Boogie Woogie Space Coaster at Space World, is the orientation of the train itself. The first four cars in the six-car train face forward. The last two face backwards. I rode backwards first, which was OK, but not being able to anticipate turns is usually more annoying than frightening, and this was the case here. Next, I rode facing forwards, and this provided a nice family sized ride including little pops of low-G air. The rest of Suzuka Circuit's rides were reminiscent of those found at Tama Tech as well, mostly consisting of various transportation style rides such as go-karts, mini-monorails, etc. Several of these were virtually identical to those found at Tama Tech, such as the snail monorail, the flying ship suspended monorail, and the mini-motorcycle rides. In the heat, I worked my way around the park, sampling some of the more interesting rides. During this time I hopped on the large (~70 meter) Ferris wheel. At no point did I see any trace of Mad Cobra, the Premier Rides launched coaster (Flight of Fear / Joker`s Jinx layout). Even with the knowledge of what rides in the park were new, I could not tell where it used to be. I guess this is a good thing, as visitors to 6FMM can attest to the oddness of leaving pieces of old rides in the background of newer rides. After walking back to the train station, I rode back towards Nagoya, debarking at Kuwana Station. An aside: Do you know the feeling you get when you round the last turn, or crest the last hill, or pop out of the woods, and you can finally see the biggest roller coaster at the park you are going to? Imagine this: Steel Dragon 2000 is so big you get your first glimpse of this monster from the train, almost ten minutes out of the station and a 30 minute bus ride away from the park. I lost sight of this behemoth more than a few times behind buildings and whatnot, but eventually, the bus crossed a bridge, and there it was, 97 meters high and dwarfing the 88 meter Ferris wheel and three tower power tower. The saddest part was knowing that this ride was still closed. During the final 15 minutes of the bus ride, I peered ahead, hoping that I would see a train cresting the giant lift hill, but I was disappointed. Steel Dragon 2000 is still closed. Alas, I would still be able to hit my milestone this day, but not on the coaster I had chosen. I got off the bus and bought my admission ticket and "free pass" for 4100 yen, not including the water park. After a long walk past the water park, you pass the souvenir shop and into the amusement park proper. Like I mentioned in my TR for Toshimaen, some Japanese parks have difficulty in coming up with original names for rides, and Nagashima Spa Land is one of these parks. Tea Cups, Merry go Round, Motocross, Red Baron, Balloon Race are all immediately after the gift shop. Keroyon Jump is a Frog Hopper, guess what a keroyon is. Next up are Kiddie ride and Kid's World, home to every coin op kiddie ride you can imagine. Water Ace is actually paddle boats, and this completes the ride list for the entrance plaza. First up, I rode the Children Coaster, a medium sized Tivoli, with ladybug train, identical to the one at Tobu Zoo. Lots of trees in the infield of this ride make it prettier than some, though. I passed Corkscrew and Ultratwister for now because I had a milestone to reach. I lined up for White Cyclone and asked one of the ride ops to snap a photo of me after I buckled in. I posted this pic in the group site under miscellaneous. I held up my sign again for the on ride photo, and surprisingly it turned out incredible! I'm looking straight at the camera, my sign is legible and it (the photo) looks really good! Well, except for me that is. I'm no Brad Pitt, but my wife seems to like me. A bunch of people asked me what my sign meant after the ride, and I explained that I had been on 400 different coasters around the world. The rest of the day, people were pointing at me and several more people asked me lots of questions about it. Anyway. White Cyclone is HUGE. At nearly 140 feet tall, it isn't particularly tall but that`s 6th place for woodies, and it comes in 8th for speed at 63.4 mph. However it's 5577 foot length puts it 3rd amongst wood coasters in length. But stats aside, these numbers alone aren't what make this a big coaster. Although there is some nice air to be experienced on this ride, White Cyclone is all about laterals. If side force is your thing, you need to book a flight out to Japan, because this puppy delivers. The three helixes total more than 1080 degrees of high speed turns and there are more turns that will throw you to the side in addition to the helixes. All of this turning around takes place in what is essentially a triple out and back with a single figure-8 in there somewhere. Head choppers and crossovers are everywhere, making this a fantastic ride worthy of the Cyclone moniker. Further adding to the size of this ride is the incredible amount of buttressing the whole ride has received. NSL must go through a LOT of white paint keeping this ride up. My front seat ride was fantastic! The park's 88 meter Ferris wheel was across from the station of White Cyclone, but I had coasters to hit! Next, I passed Telecombat and Rock'n'Roll to board Corkscrew. Yup, it was an Arrow Corkscrew. It hurt. I tried to ride Ultratwister next, but it wasn't running anymore due to a light rain and reports of lightning. Instead in a rare flat ride move for me, I boarded the park's brand new Giant Frisbee. I had never seen one of these in operation before, only under construction, but I have heard good things. Now faced with one, I was actually a little scared. (I actually don't like heights.) I gamely sat down and buckled in, keeping the OTSR TIGHT as it was locked into place. The floor dropped, and the rotation began. I was impressed at how strong the swinging is when it starts. Overall it was fun, the sensations were interesting, but I was ready for it to begin slowing down at least two full swings before it did. I may ride one again, but only if the line is nonexistent like this one was. Rotating clockwise (a little dizzy?), I made my way past the Wave Swinger and Space Shuttle (Looping Starship) to the park's Looping Star. I mistakenly thought Laser at Dorney and this were the same model (Yeah, I know, duh.) and I wasn't looking forward to this as I really didn't like Laser. Looping Star kicks Laser's butt. The head chopper on the first drop had the Japanese gals in front of me ducking and screaming, and the rest of the ride was amazing, in spite of an obvious lack of preservation maintenance. They really need to paint this ride. The odd lift hill is the same as Laser's but the overall ride is much smoother. I'm becoming an Anton Schwartzkopf fan. Next I passed by the park's Swing Around, Freefall (closed for the rain) and Frisbee (regular sized, inward facing seats) to hit the Double Wild Mouse (mice?). These only have one set of switchbacks across the top, and run free with no trims until the switchbacks are done. Every trim brake after that brings the car to almost a complete stop before allowing the car to proceed. Yuck. Passing by the Shoot the Chute, I took three shots of the closed Steel Dragon 2000, one along the overall length, one of the station and one of the letter from the park to the public about the status of the coaster. After my wife translates this last one for me, I will post it here and send it to Duane at RCDB. There is a large Go-kart track past SD2K named Bobkarts, but I skipped it as I wanted to hit the last few coasters before moving on to the next park. Passing Looping Star and the very odd Flying Carpet ride (the inverted seating looked more like a double wide Invertigo) I tried to board Shuttle Loop and Jet Coaster (actually jetto costah is what Japanese people call roller coasters) but both were closed for the rain. I really, really, really think that NSL is trying to avoid another accident. I passed some time by getting a bite to eat across from the three swinging ships (a double jumbo and a normal sized single), taking some photos and getting a back seat ride on White Cyclone. After getting off, I saw that Jet Coaster was testing. I got on the first train after it opened. This TOGO coaster is old. It looks like the Cyclone(1965) at Toshimaen: Coaster design by Gustav Eiffel. Steel girders, I-beams and rivets, this coaster has a roughly triangular / figure-8 layout. Unlike Cyclone there's no air, making this even more of a family ride. As I got off Cyclone I noticed that Shuttle Loop was testing, so I passed by the triple Space Shot towers and got in line for the first ride upon opening. Another Schwartzkopf, this time flywheel launched. Good fun was had by all, and I had another front row seat. I saw that Ultratwister was finally operating, so I passed the Giant Double Viking (these mothers are HUGE, they look like they each hold more than 100 people!) to try my first TOGO Pipeline coaster. The banging at into ends is kind of rough, and the vertical lift is a bit uncomfortable on your back, but the rest of the ride is actually enjoyable. The first drop is ridiculously steep, a pop of air, and then the first of three heartline rolls. The backwards heartline rolls are trickier, but it is cool to see the tracks spiraling away in front of you. After getting off, I walked back past the Shuttle loop to check out the corner by the water park, I noted that the park has removed the Top Spin shown on the park maps, but the backdrop for the ride is still there. I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for 3100 yen. I left the park , boarded the bus and transferred to the train back to Nagoya Station. I took a taxi from there to Pokemon: The Park 2005. Entrance was free, and there were a million kids and their parents riding a bunch of generic carnival rides themed with Pokemon characters. Ferris wheel, Merry go round, etc. I paid my 600 yen to ride the Pokemon dragon Go-Gator, snapped some photos and walked back to Nagoya Station to ride the bullet train back to Tokyo. Chris B Next up? I have no idea! From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 00:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96698 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 07:24:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 07:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 07:24:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:24:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Counting Coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=oRnTWY1P3wvfoJrLKzv6jTLk80XrPQ3CkmSaUFfh4uwMYtVdzA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 We discussed the various options for couting our track record a while back. I was fooling around and checked out the coastercounter.com site, and he has updated the site to the extent that I was able to update my count to exactly the 407 coasters that I have been on. Needless to say I was pretty happy about this, so I thought I'd share. Chris B From mosspier@insightbb.com Mon Aug 01 01:13:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mosspier@insightbb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48933 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 08:13:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:09:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 08:08:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:08:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.222.150.87 From: "hoosierlandpark" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146065720; y=p2S2Yv7PxecLy7aqC9msChetvMO8ql0qEDru9To3YOB5xDEDd9giiOvH X-Yahoo-Profile: hoosierlandpark What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get injured from a "Minor" Accident. Michael W. Moss http://podweather.com/ --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > > Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with Disney lately? The media has been > > having a feeding frenzy with accidents at Disney parks around the > > world this year. Is there an unusually high number, or is the > > reporting more "targeted" than usual? > > Yeah! I've heard about a ton of Disney accidents lately. Are they > really occurring at a greater rate, or is the press just trumpeting > them more because of the Disney name? > > Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 06:42:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15168 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:42:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 13:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 13:34:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:34:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9-HPFZ7fB8B6rw64qXH9YJOyGSO7kFaS8VhmoQ4rnLpVxsOVSw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "hoosierlandpark" wrote: > What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than > one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get > injured from a "Minor" Accident. > > Michael W. Moss > http://podweather.com/ This is minor compared to the accident on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad less than 2 years ago! That killed a guy, and was determined to be almost wholly due to shoddy maintenence, poor operating procedures and undertrained operators. We'll have to wait until detailed reports explain what went wrong to make any real judgement on this occasion. Chris From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:53:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94413 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA550961444@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=odi7j9aKAvDVW27M6ZkPLR4QBssKhB5QAn_Bg2liDwo5WcrzPrYj X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59098 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:53:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA363462968@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=yllgv_86DcMcsiMhKc4ZDRwsdaZzEREDUNDEsx1xFE1EDBUVlt5E X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:54:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13258 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA483393860@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Ww5s5ql1xRkjmghNEl7gTWj9uwxbsYKKJ534pZY_Ug7NVaIChNDq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62876 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:32 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71904 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA483656004@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70747 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 13:55:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:53:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200508010653.AA4265672898@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Allen Pasternak" , "Dave A." , "Dave Couture" , "EL Shepherd" , "Gideon Freudmann" , "Jack Scanlon" To: "Joanne Kostides" , "John Hardy" , "Justin West" , "Kosta" , "Mike Dion" , "Patty" To: "Pete Morin" , "Pete Sawyer" , "Rich Boehmer" , "Sam Sam" , "Sandy Boyd" <5dogsmom@comcast.net> Cc: "Rollercoaster Talk" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=5cFzOB8AKGubottRsJp-vF_LsLs8d0Kk0lj7Nq3MpKJaRnA_jIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple sections to complete, but it`s up and running anyway. > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < Click on the "Explore" shield. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Aug 01 07:10:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82746 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.203) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 14:10:48 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1366904rne for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.26 with SMTP id h26mr2525197rng; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Reply-To: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=QlryIExG0cuLSjkbAyaMsO0TsX9450FXHvDN0nA_nFSLZdT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Since when is Jay a spammer? I've gotten this message like 8 times today.=20 On 8/1/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s Explore= section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple sections to c= omplete, but it`s up and running anyway. >=20 > > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < >=20 > Click on the "Explore" shield. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 01 11:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56782 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 18:00:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:02:07 -0700 Message-Id: <200508011102.AA257884378@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=ugmNwXVMokxcqYVTMTR9eE5v0EluIb935ZcMpkgolto_muW_PpI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Ooops. Sorry about that. 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Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 01 13:24:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99229 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:24:13 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzgpO-0007Ju-Uw for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <42EE84E9.50908@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:24:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662f1a809375632a77b83c788f9a1552d04e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 - Click Link for more..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4htVdDKjTroAIedoxtFoUvDOLOHlzrR4NROszAKrqvXuo0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash hoosierlandpark wrote: > What's even worse it seems that they get away with it on more than > one occasion. This was NOT a MINOR accident. 15 people don't get > injured from a "Minor" Accident. Others have already mentioned how it compared to the Big Thunder accident. While there may be a "large" number of people hurt, none of the injuries were serious- some minor back and nect strain, but that was it. Nothing required more than a short examination and brief treatment at the hospital, with no one staying more than a few hours. Additionally, it was because two trains "bumped" together at very low speed at the end of the ride. It wasn't a high speed impact, and didn't cause major damage. From what I've heard, the trains barely showed any sign of the impact at all. So little to no damage, low speed impact, and nothing more than minor, almost negligible injuries... yeah, that's a minor accident. Especially in light of what has happened before and what it could have been. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 01 13:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86138 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzgrQ-0008Na-Vv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <42EE8567.3050001@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:26:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508010653.AA363397432@karenandjay.com> <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080107101c97a82c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47826f234369f82662fcaacc3fe66e8221756c61797ea21d03c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Explore the merry-go-round X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=RoWtdxmehnKuFwj7rNuiE_E5_gpBxmSkBgAr1itJ3uKrwj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > Since when is Jay a spammer? I've gotten this message like 8 times today. He's not. My guess is it was either a glitch with his email program, or with Yahoo. My bet is on his email program, since, as I recall in the distant past, there was a time when everytime Jay posted it appeared twice. Or was that someone else? In any case.... > > On 8/1/05, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > My big summer project was re-vamping the Holyoke Merry-go-round`s > Explore section. It`s all done with Flash. I`ve still got a couple > sections to complete, but it`s up and running anyway. > > > > > http://www.holyokemerrygoround.org < > > > > Click on the "Explore" shield. > > It's looking great so far Jay! Can't wait til I get some time that I can actually spend some time reading it and getting a good detailed feel for it... keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 13:55:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96232 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 20:55:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 20:55:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:55:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1874 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bxgoLoR21VoC4WPHgPBLwi1EV1zzDrDkmNC08_fGOEpRDxw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Chris, Thanks for the TR. Too bad about the "rain" issues. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: SNIP > I also timed > the actual length of a bullet train stop at a non-end-of-line stop > at a mere 60 seconds! Wow, don't be late! I hope nobody has mobility issues. SNIP > On to the park itself: Blackout, a Vekoma SLC (my ninth), is still > operating, although as painful as it was, I can't imagine for how > long. I could hear the people in front and behind me saying > "Itai, Itai, Itai" (Ouch, Ouch, Ouch) through the whole course. I > was grimacing in pain myself, in spite of my defensive riding > posture. Yeah, I don't get those? Why are they so rough? I went on one last month with a friend. I hated it, he loved it. SNIP > I lined up for White Cyclone and asked one of > the ride ops to snap a photo of me after I buckled in. I posted this > pic in the group site under miscellaneous. I held up my sign again > for the on ride photo, and surprisingly it turned out incredible! > I'm looking straight at the camera, my sign is legible and it > (the photo) looks really good! Well, except for me that is. I'm no > Brad Pitt, but my wife seems to like me. I think might have more to do with the "adorable" factor ;) SNIP > I tried to ride Ultratwister next, but it wasn't running anymore > due to a light rain and reports of lightning. Instead in a rare flat > ride move for me, I boarded the park's brand new Giant Frisbee. One of the new flat rides I will ride. Way fun. SNIP > I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White > Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone > dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for > 3100 yen. Hmmm...Some "interesting" choices. SNIP > Chris B > Next up? I have no idea! Keep us posted! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32598 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:03:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:03:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508011102.AA257884378@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ir8Pe8yQGL0sAjwrnFMhViR4qkSUVG7_8WvNMuxpfL9cZhc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > Ooops. Sorry about that. Karen`s in the hospital and I`m using a funky new Net interface in her room. Something must have gone wrong. > > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31050 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:12:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Fox celebs romp in Pacific Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UJqfdLBKBlldMTUTkhnq-FslSnvSOLitfuT2Bt5SQ-4XX4g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 1, 2005 USA Today Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/usatoday/20050801/en_usatoday/foxcelebsrompinpacificpark By William Keck Santa Monica, CA -- The O.C. kids had an entire amusement park at=20 their disposal Friday night as the Fox network shut down Santa Monica=20 Pier's Pacific Park to celebrate the launch of their new TV season -=20 and mark the concluding night of the TV networks' 2o-week-long summer=20 press tour. "Fox is always anxious to come up with the biggest, most=20 outrageously arrogant party they can," observed Seth Green, who=20 regularly voices characters on Family Guy. "I was there 1 year when=20 they held a party on the enormous USS Intrepid (aircraft carrier) in=20 New York. It was like, Fox rocks the boat!" The O.C.'s Rachel Bilson (Summer) recalled bringing co-star Mischa=20 Barton (Marissa) to the Pier 2 years ago when they were first cast on=20 the show, to "play games and ride the bumper cars and roller=20 coasters." But now, the cast's high-priced duds are not designed for Pier play,=20 as evidenced by Kelly Rowan (Kirsten), who got her heel caught in the=20 boardwalk. "I looove rides," said Bilson. "But I don't think I'm=20 really dressed for it tonight." Real-life sweethearts Bilson and co-star Adam Brody (Seth), whose on- screen romance is expected to remain strong this year, were eager to=20 get home to their rescued pit bull terrier, Penny Lane. "She's=20 sweeter than any poodle, but she's strong and just won't heel,"=20 griped Brody. When it comes to tough love, he's the one in the house=20 who lays down the law. "I do all the work. I'm the disciplinarian." Bilson agreed: "I'm the mom. I cuddle and feed her." New to the Fox schedule is Chris O'Donnell, who plays an attorney in=20 Head Cases. O'Donnell lives "just down the street" and says he often=20 walks his 3 kids - ages 5, 4 and 2 - down to the Pier: "They love the=20 big bouncing thing but find the Ferris wheel a little boring."=20 The O.C.'s Ben McKenzie (Ryan) tossed balls and darts, trying in vain=20 to win stuffed Bart Simpsons and Stewies (The Family Guy) for his=20 publicist's children. More successful was Arrested Development's Will Arnett (George), who=20 lobbed a basketball into a hoop and won a football. "I compete on the=20 carnival circuit," Arnett joked. "I'm very athletic." Near the bumper cars, 14-y.o. Erik Per Sullivan - who returns for his=20 6th season as Malcolm in the Middle's Dewey - offered his 2 cents on=20 his 19-y.o. co-star Frankie Muniz's July engagement to someone he has=20 known just a short time. (His fianc=E9e is not an actress, and her full=20 name has not been released.) "I gotta say I'm pretty surprised," said=20 Sullivan, while devouring a chocolate ice cream bar. "But, hey,=20 that's Hollywood." ------------- =A9 2005 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. =A9 2005 Yahoo! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:21:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70212 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:21:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:21:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: PR: Book brings memories of Cleveland parks to life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Xij2CoBDcqh3XA7MXgFqFavOUD9ecC43o_eTH7BuXhqyOAM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 Cleveland Jewish News http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2005/08/01/features/arts/a rts0729.txt By: MICHAEL GOROFF "Cleveland Amusement Park Memories." By David and Diane Francis. Gray & Company. Cleveland. 2004. 128 pp. Paperback, $19.95. The buttery smell of popcorn shops, big band music coming from ballrooms, daredevils and vaudeville in this was the "golden age" of Cleveland amusement parks. Euclid Beach, Luna, Geauga Lake, Puritas Springs n these were the hot spots of Cleveland in the age of innocence. Cleveland Amusement Park Memories, the 11th book about parks by husband-wife duo David & Diane Francis, nostalgically documents more than 75 years of Cleveland amusement park history, especially concentrating on the early 1900s, what David Francis considers the "golden age." The 1st amusement park debuted in 1894 in Chicago, note the authors. The trend spread to Ohio, and by 1912, 54 such parks called Ohio their home. However, World War I put a damper on the fervor Clevelanders and other Americans had for amusement parks, Francis says in a phone interview from his office in Wadsworth. "Around 1915, during WWI, there was a cultural movement in America. American society started changing rapidly, and the age of innocence had come to an end when we were thrust into this world issue. The 1920s saw a social revolution, and the amusement park was old America. Then parks started closing." Before the social and political changes of the roaring '20s, however, many Cleveland amusement parks enjoyed great popularity and provided the public with a mixed bag of entertainment. Euclid Beach and Luna Park had rides, shows, and ballrooms, where both locally and nationally known bands would play. "On an average Sunday, Luna sold 15,000 dance tickets, and even for Thursday evenings, ticket sales of 7,000 were recorded," according to the book. Even though the parks had similar rides & attractions, each one had its own identity, Francis says. Cleveland Amusement Park Memories "shows the uniqueness of the parks," he says. The first defining attribute of the parks was architecture, Francis explains. "The Luna Park here was designed after Luna Park in Coney Island (in Brooklyn). It had a mix of Oriental and European design and was very bright with a lot of lights that would just be gorgeous at night. "Euclid Beach took a different direction. It was unadorned, and much of it was dark green to blend into nature." In addition to architecture, other differences distinguished one park from another, Francis adds. "Euclid was free entry; Luna was paid. Euclid would not sell alcohol or even cigarettes, and it had no games of chance. Luna made a lot of money from alcohol and was known for having a lot of sexually-oriented shows. They had very different management styles." Many parks operated under the philosophy that Luna promoted, which was to allow people to liberally enjoy themselves. But Euclid Beach's business survived longer than many other parks. "Euclid Beach was successful but abnormal in its strict rules," Francis says. "For example, women couldn't wear shorts (to the park) in the 1950s, although they could wear slacks." Despite its reputation for being a "Sunday School" operation, Euclid Beach Park remained open to the public until 1969. Luna Park closed in 1929 after a horrendous fire destroyed part of the park and Prohibition took away much of the park's income, while Puritas Spring Park closed in 1958. Geauga Lake Park, another classic Cleveland amusement park, opened in 1925. It is still open today, thanks to luck, Francis says. "Geauga Lake survived until 1969, but they got lucky because other outside companies bought and invested money in it," he says. "Geauga has been able to stay open through corporations. Otherwise, it's just as likely that the park would have closed." The survival of amusement parks can be attributed to this trend of corporate ownership, Francis notes. "Amusement parks have had a total rebirth because corporate management can afford to spend money on new rides & attractions. A private ownership really has no chance today of building much of a park, although there are exceptions. But it's the super-parks that bring in millions of dollars." Cleveland Amusement Park Memories chronicles the history and trends of Cleveland amusement parks with 192 beautiful black-&-white photos, dating from the 1890s-1970s. The reader also gets vivid first-hand accounts of people who either worked at the parks or frequented them. The main theme of Cleveland Amusement Park Memories is the nostalgia that people associate with the parks. Although today's amusement parks are completely different from what they were in the past, there is still a longing for the good old days, Francis says. "Most of the people interviewed are very nostalgic, especially about Euclid Beach," he says. "Many of them wish (the parks) were still there. These memories are deeply engrained in them." ----------- Copyright 2005 Cleveland Jewish News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:28:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67651 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:28:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Ride crash 'first in 40 years' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dZjodqb7ux1DENXChAGf5-u9gXLZZBX3JlK7Ms2B73J8tV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/4733169.stm Rhyl, Clwyd Wales -- The owners of a fairground where 5 people were=20 hurt when a rollercoaster left its tracks say it is the 1st accident=20 there in 40 years. A girl of 4 from Crewe, Cheshire, and her father were among the=20 injured at Rhyl's Ocean Beach amusement park. 2 safety inspectors and a specialist engineer were inspecting the=20 fairground ride after Sunday's accident. Michael Batty of owners Rhyl Amusements said he was "very=20 disappointed" by the accident. A couple from Rhyl, who needed hospital treatment, and a man from=20 Wigan were also hurt. Mr Batty said the rollercoaster was inspected daily and it appeared=20 that the car the 5 were in jumped the track in the station at the end=20 of a ride. Investigation=20 The incident was the 1st at the seafront park in 40 years. The ride was closed on Monday while the Health & Safety Executive=20 investigation is carried out, although the rest of the park remains=20 open. It is believed the car, which had been at ground level, was hit by=20 the car behind and knocked off the rails. 2 of the people, a woman of 32 and a man of 30, were taken to=20 hospital after suffering chest and abdominal injuries. The Welsh Ambulance Service said the injured woman had suffered=20 fractured ribs and the man sustained injuries to his stomach, right=20 leg and back. They were taken to Glan Clwyd Hospital in Bodelwyddan for treatment. ------------- =A9 BBC MMV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:32:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88102 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:32:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:32:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:32:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boy pinned under hooves of carousel horses X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OLgTlgQ5eHYtpgFkmC4YxdKjEz5l_cN2gJQzGxSHV-KCwao X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 01 2005 Independent Online http://www.iol.co.za/index.php? set_id=3D1&click_id=3D3&art_id=3Dqw1122888781228B265 Schoenborn, Germany -- The owners of an amusement park in Germany=20 faced charges of negligent homicide Monday after a 3-y.o. boy was=20 trampled to death under the hooves of horses on a children's carousel. The toddler eluded his parents and hopped onto the moving carousel in=20 the Rhine Valley town of Schoenborn Sunday evening. Losing his balance, he fell and became pinned under the mechanical=20 horses. Eyewitnesses said there was a delay in stopping the carousel because=20 the master switch was located in the cashiers booth, which was locked=20 and unstaffed. --------------- =A9 2005 Independent Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:35:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7270 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:35:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Mother Charged In Kidnap Plot Due In Court X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i6PT6A3RsjWVtZbTcXgehLTzxaLFaD2QGSkPVdiLegY-kOo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 1, 2005 NBC News 10 http://www.turnto10.com/news/4792703/detail.html?rss=pro&psp=news TAUNTON, Mass. -- A woman charged in an alleged plot to kidnap her own daughter is due in court Monday. Police said Karen DeCosta of Revere arranged for her 8-y.o. daughter to be kidnapped from an amusement park in New Hampshire. Her ex- boyfriend has sole custody of the child. The 52-y.o. was arrested Friday by an undercover Raynham police detective, whom she allegedly paid an undisclosed sum for the job. The girl lives in Raynham with DeCosta's ex-boyfriend. Police said DeCosta planned to flee the state with the girl. She is scheduled to be arraigned Monday in Taunton District Court on charges that include attempted kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. The police sting started 3 days ago; after they received a tip that DeCosta was looking for someone to kidnap her child. ------------ Copyright 2005 by turnto10.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 14:56:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58845 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 21:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2005 21:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2005 21:56:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:56:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 788 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Suzuka Circuit, Nagashima Spa Land and Pokemon: The Park 2005 (LONG) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=xcOQaWPVnseSBKyAkMN_g120N8cJGPvsodOE_gLSKaHH3NnQcA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "aelk2004" wrote: > > I bought some souvenirs, including a Hello Kitty pen, a White > > Cyclone T-shirt (typos included free), a White Cyclone cell phone > > dangle, and Steel Dragon 2000 and White Cyclone cookie tins all for > > 3100 yen. > > Hmmm...Some "interesting" choices. > SNIP In Japan, ride specific souvenirs are rare, with the exception of cookies. This time I happened to like the tins they came in and they had stuff for both White Cyclone and the still closed Steel Dragon 2000. My wife likes Hello Kitty (she is Japanese after all) and I am just following the tradition of Omiyage, which is similar to the old joke of "My friend went to _____ and all I got was this t-shirt, pen, etc." So, :P Chris From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 20:01:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82375 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 03:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 03:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 03:01:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 59179 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 03:01:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050802030104.59177.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:01:04 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: NEWS: Abe as a theme park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=-s6fD6gXOySJrORAq1icdw8tUoAibqKNdClJQvoE2_i3AjY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I think this kind of fits the bill for discussion, in-part because a lot of the project was done by BRC Imagination Arts (http://www.brcweb.com/museums/lincoln-library.htm). They have done a lot of different projects, including theme parks, all over the world. It is yet another sign of convergance, which is bringing the technology and business of theme parks into industries not traditionally associated with branding. I am currently reading a book called "Branded Nation: The Marketing of Megachurch, College Inc., and Museumworld", which actually delves into the use of branding, marketing and other devices by "non-profits". In many ways they are adapting things that have been used for some time by the "for-profit" sector of the market. Naturally I have only read the church and college parts of the book so far, the museum section will be taken care of on the next business trip. However, it is interesting that places like museums are incorporating the "flash" of theme parks. Now that this process has really taken root, it will be neat to watch the good and bad of a for-profit business model and self-awareness take hold in the museum world. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 01 20:57:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98730 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 03:57:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 03:56:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.155.107.116 From: "screamscapelance" Subject: Re: Breaking News: DCA Ride Injures 15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=SAweif09UkgpW_g2u-loDMfL2LHf-Y-sfK2fBCtnkMrRVYByUaR8HCANJw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > This is minor compared to the accident on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad > less than 2 years ago! That killed a guy, and was determined to be > almost wholly due to shoddy maintenence, poor operating procedures and > undertrained operators. > > We'll have to wait until detailed reports explain what went wrong to make any real judgement on this occasion. After all... this isn't the first time that an Intamin coaster has slipped through a brake zone and bumped into the train in front of it. Superman: Ride of Steel at SFNE a few years back is a good example... and I think it's happened on a few others as well. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:05:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47985 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:05:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:05:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Hollywood eyes New Orleans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HBZMtfzPrWiLPQAQfqcKA8i0-MJqmYUxVCUBw2Pum6-LyWM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 The Advocate http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/080205/bus_hollywood001.shtml By NED RANDOLPH New Orleans, LA -- The producers of the "Mortal Kombat" video games &=20 movies would like to build a $150 million studio & amusement park on=20 the banks of the Mississippi, which would be the 1st of its kind=20 anywhere, the company's CEO said Monday. In a separate event, Gov. Kathleen Blanco is expected today to=20 announce a new sound stage in New Orleans that will quadruple=20 production space there. A group backed by Hollywood-based Sunset=20 Gower Studios plans to build a $20 million film production complex in=20 Algiers on the West Bank of the Mississippi, the online publication=20 Neworleansbiz.com reported Monday. Meanwhile, Threshold Entertainment, which is planning to film "Mortal=20 Kombat III" in Louisiana, is interested in building out 100,000- 150,000 sq-ft of production space that would double as a tourist=20 attraction. "I believe there's an extraordinary opportunity to build=20 a state-of-the-art production studio-slash-Hollywood theme park and=20 training facility right in the middle of town," CEO Larry Kasanoff=20 said. "There would be actual movies being made there, and an observation=20 platform to watch. "It would also be a training center because you guys have an awesome=20 tax credit but are so lacking in experienced crew base." The project's future would depend on how much cooperation and support=20 Kasanoff receives from the various governing bodies on the river,=20 which include the Port of N.O., city of N.O., and even the state,=20 said Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, who met with Kasanoff this past=20 weekend. " 'Mortal Kombat' has made $5 billion. He wants to bring a=20 $150 million studio theme park," Landrieu said. "In politics, I'm always skeptical about people bearing gifts, but=20 Kasanoff is real. "He is the head of an entertainment company that is very fluid and=20 very wealthy." Threshold, which claims to have licenses to $100 billion in=20 intellectual property, also builds digital theme parks around the=20 country. Kasanoff is eyeing several sites, including the cleared land next to=20 the Morial Convention Center, once slated for its Phase IV expansion.=20 He said the company would need some kind of support from the city or=20 state. "Broadly speaking, we need the state or city to help be a=20 partner," he said. "We're talking millions and millions of dollars of investment in=20 addition to the billions of tourist dollars - this is a big project,=20 the 1st of its kind in the world." Since Louisiana's tax credit program began in 2002, movie companies=20 have spent $900 million, producing at least 31 major movie & TV=20 projects in the state. The work has come so fast that the state has struggled to supply=20 enough experienced crew members and production space. Studios in many=20 cases have had to fly in trained crewmen. "Training, training,=20 training is the message I came back with," Landrieu said about his=20 trip to California. "We need to show them we can actually do the=20 work." Landrieu went to Hollywood to reassure industry executives and pitch=20 the state's movie business. Lawmakers revised the program this session to limit eligible expenses=20 for the tax credits to those made directly in the state. They also=20 expanded the cap on credits. Depending on the movie's budget, studios now can recoup up to 25% of=20 their costs. That also includes expenses on hiring Louisiana musicians. And companies can qualify for incentives for building media-related=20 infrastructure projects. "When you walk into a Threshold studio, you=20 see people sitting in front of computers making sound effects,"=20 Landrieu said. "The whole point is attracting pre- and post-production. With=20 technology, you can do that here, you can do it in Austin or you can=20 do it in Timbuktu." Meanwhile, the studio reported by Neworleansbiz.com will house 5=20 sound stages with 125,000 sq-ft of space, state-of-the-art digital=20 post-production facilities, a back lot and 200,000 sq-ft of office=20 space. The deal would be the 1st major studio in N.O. backed by out- of-state investors since the state passed its film industry tax- incentive program. The University of N.O.'s Robert E. Nims Center for Entertainment=20 Arts, which houses 2 sound stages that total 30,000 sq-ft, is booked=20 through the year. ------------ =A9 1992-2005, 2theadvocate.com, WBRZ, Louisiana Broadcasting LLC and=20 The Advocate, Capital City Press LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:15:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12872 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:15:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:15:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:15:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:15:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: State Probe of Disney Ride Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z_FdGT0y0ZMb81E33xGRrIDLM_NzgAO0BDWTKW0T6_wxi5I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 The Los Angeles Times Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/la-me- disney31jul31,0,3372571.story?coll=3Dorl-business-headlines- tourism&track=3Drss By Jennifer Delson Anaheim, CA -- State officials were investigating Sat. whether=20 mechanical or human error caused the first major ride accident at=20 Disney's California Adventure, in which at least 15 park visitors=20 suffered minor injuries the day before. The California Screamin' roller coaster will remain closed for=20 several days while investigators look at the ride's dispatch=20 coordination to determine whether a computer failed or a person=20 caused the accident, said Len Welsh, acting chief of the Cal.=20 Division of Occupational Safety and Health. "The timing was part of=20 [the accident]," he said. "We won't reopen the ride until we=20 understand what caused it, to make sure it is safe." Welsh could not say how long the investigation would take. The accident occurred shortly after 6:30pm on the coaster, which=20 propels riders through a silhouette of Mickey Mouse's head. The=20 trains, each carrying 24 passengers, were about to reach the end of=20 the ride. The 1st train stopped, but the 2nd hit it, said John J.=20 Nicoletti, a spokesman for the city of Anaheim. By 11pm, all of the injured had been treated & released from=20 hospitals, he said. He said that 39 of the 48 riders walked off the=20 ride. 1 was taken out on a board, put on a lift operated by the=20 Anaheim Fire Dept and transported over a wall. 8 others were removed=20 by ladder. CS, which opened in 2001, was billed by Disney as evoking "the great=20 thrills of wooden roller coasters from days gone by." It catapults=20 riders to 55mph in less than 5 seconds and has a 108' drop. Sandor Kernacs, president of Intamin AG, the ride's Switzerland-based=20 manufacturer, declined to comment Sat. There have been 3 fatalities=20 on Intamin rides in other parks in recent years, but they were=20 related to passenger restraint systems. In March 2004, a jury ruled against a Milwaukee doctor who alleged he=20 suffered whiplash on the CS ride. A 22-y.o. man was killed in the 2003 derailment of Disneyland's Big=20 Thunder Mountain Railroad roller coaster; it was built by another=20 manufacturer. Friday's accident comes a month after the Cal. Supreme Court=20 toughened safety classifications for roller coasters. Operators of=20 roller coasters and similar attractions must ensure the same level of=20 safety as those who run buses, trains and other means of public=20 transportation, the court ruled. The court majority wrote that theme=20 park operators must use "the utmost care and diligence" for the=20 safety of riders rather than mere "reasonable care." Most states=20 require operators of amusement rides to use only "reasonable care." The ruling could make it easier for those injured on rides to win=20 lawsuits against amusement parks, legal experts say, but it could=20 also lead to the removal or modification of thrill rides. Taking his 4th Disney trip in 2 years, Kevin Bromagen, 38, an=20 insurance claims adjustor from Lincoln, Neb., and daughter Taylor, 6,=20 were aboard the front train at the time of the accident. "We were=20 stopped for about 60 seconds. We had never stopped that long,"=20 Bromagen said. "I could hear the other car coming. We couldn't do=20 anything but get ready to be hit. We couldn't move and we couldn't=20 see it coming." Then, he said, he "heard a tremendous smack and then people=20 screaming," including Taylor. The 2 chose not to be treated at a=20 hospital, he said. Bromagen said Sat. afternoon in a telephone interview after returning=20 to Lincoln that he had had a headache since the accident. Taylor woke=20 up 3 times Friday night screaming "Get me off this ride," he said. Bromagen said park staff gave him $30 worth of food and front-row=20 seats at a show, but that compensation wasn't adequate. "I'm not sure=20 I'll be rushing back," he said. --------- =A9 2005, The Los Angeles Times =A9 2005 Orlando Sentinel Communications From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:24:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46943 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:24:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:22:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:22:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3891 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: 60-acre, $90 mil. water park resort opens in Utica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=feW_fn7erY-cXZYHL9hjNHCHE-2yAkc-lWhLTCKOhPp6aHI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 31, 2005 Associated Press Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/travel/tra-news-bear31.html BY JAN DENNIS UTICA, Ill. -- Grizzly Jack's Grand Bear Lodge, Illinois' 1st indoor water park complex & resort, has opened about 90 miles SW of Chicago, and officials hope the resort will attract some vacationers who usually head to the famed water parks of Wisconsin Dells. The 24,000-sq-ft water park is the 1st in the nation with sound & motion technology that takes swimmers through virtual reality adventures such as sliding into a bear or shark's mouth, said Dan Gundrum, a board member for the 2,500-member World Waterpark Association. "It's really great. Realistic. I recommend it," 11-y.o. Nick Mitrovich of Park Ridge said after his 30-second ride through the 330'-long tube. Utica Mayor Fred Esmond said the lodge is also an economic and emotional boost for the area following an April 2004 tornado that left 8 people dead and damaged or destroyed a quarter of the buildings in this town of less than 1,000 people. "It's a chance for us to say let's not look at the past so much, let's look at the future. The future looks good," Esmond said. The resort, which cost $90 million, opened June 30 and logged some 40,000 inquiries in its first 2 weeks of operations, said spokesman Michael Hatt. The water park is open only to guests staying at the lodge; day passes are not available. It is located near Starved Rock, Illinois' most popular state park, which had more than 2.1 million visitors last year. Right now Illinois residents spend up to $700 million a year in Wisconsin Dells, a year-round vacation mecca for Midwesterners, with 18 indoor and 3 outdoor water parks and other local attractions. "I long for the day to see thousands of Wisconsin license plates in our Illinois water parks," said Marc Gordon, president and CEO of the Illinois Hotel & Lodging Assoc. But Wisconsin Dells will continue to call itself the "Waterpark Capital of the World," said Steve Shattuck, spokesman for its visitor and convention bureau. "When a family wants to take a water park vacation, we hear all the time that Wisconsin Dells is at the top of their list because we have the biggest, fastest and wettest of everything," he said. "We don't see that changing." Restaurants, conference facilities, an arcade and 18-hole miniature golf course also are available at the privately developed Grand Bear Lodge, where a robotic trapper and bear greet guests in the lobby. Accommodations include 100 two-story villas that sleep up to 10 people. 40 more villas will open by the end of the year, along with 56 log cabins that sleep up to 18 people, an indoor amusement park and spa, Hatt said. Because Grand Bear will be open year-round, officials hope its indoor attractions will keep tourists coming in the dead of winter. Jan Kostner, deputy director of the Illinois Department of Tourism, said the resort could draw an extra 200,000 people a year to Starved Rock. The resort also could attract spinoff business to the area such as restaurants, shops and wineries, and new water parks could sprout from Chicago's suburbs to Rockford, tourism officials said. "This is really just the beginning," Kostner said. Utica business owners hope the resort helps boost sales they say dipped last year after some Starved Rock visitors mistakenly thought the tornado had paralyzed downtown restaurants, taverns and shops. "We've seen some increase in business, but we've got a long way to go yet," said Lisle Elsbury, who said sales at his restaurant and tavern decreased 30% last year and are still down up to 15%. "When a community has had a tragedy like they've endured, this can help bring things back, both in terms of enthusiasm and morale as well as the economics," Gordon said. ------------- Copyright 2005, Digital Chicago Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 08:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73659 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:38:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Brazen theif robs Boardwalk three times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dK_eaQ8IVSf32OKXls3n_SzKyAMiQ0Z55l_U78B2zpVnD5k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 2, 2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/August/02/local/stories/ 01local.htm By CATHY SMITH SANTA CRUZ =97 A man has robbed 3 Boardwalk concession stands in the=20 past week, police say, including a Monday heist at Dippin' Dots. The man pretends to be a customer, then demands cash, asserting he=20 has a gun, but no weapon has been seen, Santa Cruz police Sgt. Loran=20 Baker said. Detectives suspect he may be the same man who robbed World Savings on=20 Pacific Ave on Friday and the same bold thief who tried to rob a=20 sunglasses shop on Cathcart St near Pacific Ave just after noon Mon. But the owner of that shop, Rain or Shine, Mackenzie Fullmer, a 25- y.o. who is several months pregnant, refused to give the man money,=20 and he left empty-handed. The latest Boardwalk robbery came about 4 hours later, at 4:20pm Mon,=20 when a man demanded cash from a clerk at the Dippin' Dots consignment=20 inside the amusement park's arcade. About 8:15pm Sat, the same man ordered 2 espressos from Marini's in=20 the same area of the park, then demanded money. Last week, at 8:45pm=20 on July 25, he robbed Senor Ted's near the bumper cars ride, police=20 said. The man has gotten an undisclosed amount of cash at each=20 concession stand. "He has no problem walking into very busy places,"=20 Baker said. "He's pretty bold, but we have a lot of leads, and we're=20 going to get him." Fullmer said the man surprised her and prompted her to begin shopping=20 for surveillance equipment Mon. She said the robber pretended to be=20 looking for a gift and asked to buy a gift certificate before=20 demanding that she give him all the money in the cash register. He=20 said he had a gun, she said. "I said, `Let me see it,' " Fullmer=20 said. "I don't know why I said that, it wasn't the smartest thing to=20 do. I was very scared." Fullmer said he look surprised and repeated the gun threat when the=20 phone rang. He ordered her not to answer it. She did. He walked out. The thief is described as 6' tall in his 30s. Sat night, he wore a=20 black hat with "Santa Cruz" written on it in red and yellow letters,=20 police said. Some of the victims have been teens who were quite shaken by the=20 experience, Baker said. More than 1 said the man was calm and one=20 thought he was joking when he said it was a robbery, he said. Boardwalk spokesman Kris Reyes said such incidents are rare at the=20 park. He said security is working with police. He declined to say how=20 many security guards patrol the park. Investigators ask those with information to call 420-5820. ------------- =A9 1999-2005 Santa Cruz Sentinel From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Aug 02 13:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56781 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 20:57:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:55:04 -0700 Message-Id: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=J0-dWdZEh7gK43ofFh5mkL8oYrDefnbdRlnO3DYZClqiV1HNZqbO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay.< It`s not prying at all, Alan. Two weeks ago, her brother died of a massive coronary. He was only 45 years old and seemed in perfect health. Last Friday, Karen had a mild heart attack. I`m typing this by her bedside at the Lahey Clinic near Boston. She`s going to be okay, but it looks like our coaster-riding days may be at an end. :-( Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 02 14:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38471 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E04aY-0001WA-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <42EFE9B1.6080900@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:46:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> In-Reply-To: <200508021355.AA177537104@karenandjay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf714822adeefc0b3eaf979c86a0a9561f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Explore X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=W86qeQhWT2xcp7anq-EpProF67opsiTjmv7YL2RmSWvmYkM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > >Not to pry, but I hope Karen's okay.< > > It`s not prying at all, Alan. Two weeks ago, her brother died of a > massive coronary. He was only 45 years old and seemed in perfect > health. Last Friday, Karen had a mild heart attack. I`m typing this by > her bedside at the Lahey Clinic near Boston. She`s going to be okay, but > it looks like our coaster-riding days may be at an end. :-( > I'm so sorry Jay. Please, keep us updated on how she's doing and what the verdict is- both short and long term. Is it caused by a condition that can be treated? In any case, know that I'm sure I speak for many when I say that our hearts and prayers are going out to you two. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 19:33:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80083 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 02:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 02:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.158) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 02:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 58744 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2005 02:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050803023301.58742.qmail@web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:33:01 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: WDW Video Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=fyMYwjhfzquLlDVfoUs3nXK3ENKLxCiYQpXw1kU8niK7vFc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I finally got around to putting up my video to Walt Disney World from last December. If you're interested, it is at www.lonnol.com . Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 07:49:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5237 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 14:49:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 14:48:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:48:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=LcqGenVCNPb6OYT6IaFSjIyHwBI6qswAUMQj2uqR7wXZeDRre4xBud8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just went to rollercoaster database and a new woodie will be built at beach bend park in Bowling Green KY in 06. Sounds like it will be pretty wicked!!! From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 03 08:05:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38093 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2005 11:05:15 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,163,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="65048706:sNHT29946486" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j73F5EVu012151 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:14 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:05:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85D4AF08-2DBD-4757-9282-3052B0AC83A3@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:05:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2005 15:05:14.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[C06BFF10:01C5983C] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: State Probe of Disney Ride Begins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=kBWLSsDw7Z258knGxfxwRUlPURWrQ4hHDMJtR2jDb1gi75ae X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, > The California Screamin' roller coaster will remain closed for > several days while investigators look at the ride's dispatch > coordination to determine whether a computer failed or a person > caused the accident, said Len Welsh, acting chief of the Cal. > Division of Occupational Safety and Health. "The timing was part of > [the accident]," he said. "We won't reopen the ride until we > understand what caused it, to make sure it is safe." Umm .. shouldn't the control system disallow dispatching to occur at a "bad time"? I mean, it's not like a wooden coaster with manual brakes.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 10:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35382 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 17:49:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 17:49:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:49:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ycZrTon3mj2XqoxJNIsJaNbWELH-SiE-tbr7bnAdQ_pNQGc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Matt, Thanks for th tip! Here's the official url: http://www.beechbend.com/Name%20That%20Coaster!.htm it's by GCI - and it looks great!. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Just went to rollercoaster database and a new woodie will be built at > beach bend park in Bowling Green KY in 06. Sounds like it will be > pretty wicked!!! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 11:33:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66445 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2005 18:33:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:32:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Nebraska couple turns amusement park into beef operation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cdcMQgVTs8apTwXNCwF7KMkiYH1GMjCQDD_aCZ68PZFMGDk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 Iowa Farmer Today http://www.iowafarmer.com/articles/2005/08/03/headlines/tri_state_neig hbor/tri_state_news/top_stories/news13.txt By Janet Eckmann A Knox County, Neb., pasture walk through the rolling hills of "Oak=20 View Park," a former amusement park may seem a strange combination,=20 but not really. To owners Dave & Deb Hansen, it isn't a surprising arrangement at=20 all. "We have a sustainable mindset," Deb Hansen said. "We are=20 working towards a sustainable lifestyle which will include quality of=20 life and a quality food source." On a very warm July afternoon, she spoke to a small group armed with=20 straw hats and water jugs. The group observed extensive cedar tree removal and pasture=20 renovation, including water & paddock development. Their goal is to=20 sell meat from their grass-fed beef herd. In 2000, the Hansens purchased 520 acres in western Knox County and=20 with their 2 daughters moved to the area from the state of Washington=20 in 2001.=20=20=20=20 Both former Nebraskans, their goal was to get out of the city and=20 return to their roots. "We were looking for an area where we could=20 maintain a healthy lifestyle. We have been gardening organically=20 forever and wanted to expand that principle by eating healthy beef=20 and have access to other grass-fed products," she said. Supporting a grass-fed beef herd is a far cry from the activities=20 that once echoed from this very valley. The Hansens appreciate the history of the old park that is now a part=20 of their lives. John Pospeshil, a retired farmer and former Bloomfield businessman=20 moved his family to the ranch between the now ghost towns of Walnut=20 and Venus. He erected a complete set of brick buildings on the=20 property he named Oak View Ranch. In 1919 he built a still grander house and barns across the creek on=20 the northeast corner of his land. The house was made from 11,000=20 different kinds of bricks. Pospeshil had a standing offer that if=20 anyone would find 2 bricks alike in his home, he would give them the=20 house. That statement put him in "Ripley's Believe It or Not" in 1931. In 1926, the family created and operated one of the finest=20 attractions in all northeast Nebraska and named it Oak View Park. Communities starved for entertainment and in need of a location where=20 they could share social contact with their neighbors eagerly flocked=20 to Oak View Park. Pospeshil built a wooden dance pavilion with 16 corners, complete=20 with refreshment stand and a "kids" room with built-in shelves used=20 as bunk beds by children, as their parents danced the night away. The Olympic-size cement swimming pool had two diving boards. It still=20 stands as a reminder of those scorching Dust Bowl years, when young=20 and old alike sought the cool refuge of nearby unpolluted ponds and=20 streams. An early 1926 newspaper described the park's opening, "A large amount=20 of space is provided for parking cars and for picnic spots with an=20 abundance of fine shade and a heavy mantle of blue grass. A modern=20 enclosed baseball diamond with an excellent grandstand is available.=20 Elaborate playground equipment, surrounded by a high oak fence is=20 available for the youngsters. A dance pavilion where 300 couples may=20 follow their stepping desires is splendidly designed, and a natural=20 amphitheater adorn the grounds." The next year, Pospeshil spent $5,000 on improvements, including a=20 rodeo arena and several cabins. Due to the effects of war, tire and gas rationing, the park had=20 nearly closed down by the mid-'40s. Dances and roller-skating on=20 special occasions were still held up into the mid-'50s. Even back in the early 1900s the enjoyment and beauty of this land=20 was with its owners. Similar to the beliefs and management of its former Oak View Park=20 owner, the Hansens view this land as a way to achieve a sustainable=20 lifestyle. "When we bought the place it was totally overrun with=20 cedar trees that left little actual grass for grazing," she said. "We=20 focused our effort on clearing trees but doing it appropriately -=20 leaving some cedar trees for wildlife, moisture control and shade.=20 She said their aim is for a herd of Red Angus crossbreds, a smaller=20 breed of cattle ideal for their grass-fed operation. They prefer a=20 May/June calving date to be more in sync with the natural rhythm of=20 nature, she said. On a cold February day in 2000, Deb said she came alone to look at=20 the property because her husband was working. "I fell in love with=20 the area immediately. I called home and told Dave I found our place.=20 He said, 'that is fine but you still have to look at the other 15=20 pieces of properties.' I did, but it was this very first one that we=20 decided to call ours," Deb said. The Hansens rent a home nearby and would dearly love to refurbish the=20 old brick house that stands stately in the old park, but an estimate=20 to replace the roof alone was near $30,000. To enjoy the quiet and=20 beauty of nature, they have constructed a yurt, a Mongolian Tepee on=20 the ranch. The rustic accommodations are a getaway they share with=20 family and friends. It seems the holistic way of life that was good for our ancestors at=20 the turn of the century is realistic and enjoyable for the Hansens as=20 well. --------------- =A9 2005 Iowa Farmer Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:33:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86030 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:33:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:33:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Boy found dead on amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bVWY-s2tKjmCzi6rZyjPE2byKr8Fckp7Rd1dOgkHztwE_Ac X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 4, 2005 Associated Press CNN http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/04/playland.death.ap/index.html? section=3Dcnn_latest RYE, New York -- A 7-y.o. boy was found dead in the water of a boat=20 ride at an historic amusement park Wednesday after he didn't emerge=20 from a tunnel, authorities said. The boy apparently climbed out the boat and got caught in the=20 conveyor belt of the Ye Old Mill, a boat-in-the-dark ride, at=20 Playland in Westchester. The ride that killed the Norwalk, Connecticut, boy, whose name was=20 not released, is "one of our most benign," County Executive Andrew=20 Spano said at a news conference. The ride consists of 14 boats propelled into a tunnel. The water is 2=20 1/2 feet deep at its deepest, and instructions tell riders to stay=20 seated and keep their hands inside their boats. The boy, who was at the park with his mother, got on the ride by=20 himself after passing the 42-inch height requirement for riding alone=20 and was the only person in his boat, Spano said. The ride and nearby attractions were shut down after the child's=20 death. Spano said the state Department of Labor would investigate the=20 death, which was the park's second in 15 months. In May 2004, a 7-y.o. girl was killed on the park's spinning Mind=20 Scrambler ride. Investigators concluded that the girl wriggled free=20 of a restraining bar, knelt on the ride's seat and fell soon after it=20 started. Playland, a National Historic Landmark, opened in 1928. The amusement=20 park scenes in the movie "Big," starring Tom Hanks, were filmed there. The park has more than 50 rides, a pool and a beach on Long Island=20 Sound, and receives more than a million visitors a year. ------------ Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. =A9 2005 Cable News Network LP, LLLP. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:40:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6881 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:40:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:40:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:40:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Factory robot retooled as amusement park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z5No-QQKMsZcmS4-S_dfVxL8O3yMWkSUtYHrKomzf5Xotu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 C|NET News http://news.com.com/Factory+robot+retooled+as+amusement+park+ride/2100 -1041_3-5817373.html?part=3Drss&tag=3D5817373&subj=3Dnews By Michael Kanellos Augsburg, Germany -- The Robocoaster from Germany's Kuka Roboter is a=20 modified version of one of the company's industrial robots that=20 spins, flips, twirls and swings 2 people through space with a=20 gigantic arm. "Anyone who can build cars, stack pallets, or pour=20 metal can also whirl 2 people through the air on a double seat," the=20 company literature proclaims. As an added twist, riders can program their ride, so if you want to=20 do 2 forward rolls followed by a spin your first turn on the machine,=20 and then a series of ululations leading into a short free fall the=20 next time around, you can. "If you want a ride that only spins you=20 upside down, that is what you can do," said Kevin Kozuszek, marketing=20 manager for Kuka Robot Group in the United States. Around 20 have been installed at amusement parks in the U.S. and=20 Europe. Legolands in Denmark and California have around 4-6 of the=20 systems each. While industrial robots have been around for years, inventors and=20 investors have become more excited in the past few years about the=20 possibility of an expanded market for robotics. The product is the brainstorm of one of Kuka's European employees,=20 Kozuszek said. Kuka's industrial robots exhibit a wide range of=20 motion, and can move fairly rapidly and carry a substantial amount of=20 weight. The employee surmised that if the company attached a roller- coaster seat to the end of the arm, it would simulate the motions of=20 a roller coaster. Previous Next The Robocoaster ride lasts about 1-2 minutes. Before=20 getting on, riders select the motions they would like on their ride=20 from a preset menu. There are 4 basis motions: left-to-right; up-and- down; horizontal spinning (like spinning on your heels); and vertical=20 spinning (head-over-heels). Kuka has deployed 2-seaters and a 4-seater ride is under development. The military is also examining ways to adapt the robot for flight- simulation training for pilots. "You could line up several robots to=20 do the same work as the big chamber" now used for flight simulation,=20 Kozuszek said. ---------- =A92005 CNET Networks, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:52:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42251 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:52:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:52:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:52:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Great Adventure plans to build hotel on site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5j6hT8PmqSr905w6qMjpXMHXDFTUNd8UmpeM1TkM9mJQkIY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 4, 2005 Tri-Town News http://tritown.gmnews.com/news/2005/0804/Front_Page/005.html BY JOYCE BLAY JACKSON, NJ =97 Jackson's biggest business has plans on the drawing=20 board to get bigger. Representatives of Six Flags Great Adventure, SR- 537, are expected to present an application to build the township's=20 first hotel when the Planning Board holds a special meeting at 7:30=20 p.m. today in the municipal building. The proposed 500-room hotel will be built a half-mile inside the=20 park, according to attorney Raymond Shea, who will represent SFGA.=20 Shea said the hotel will rise to a height of about 89'. He did not=20 know how many stories would be constructed in the hotel. At its July 11 meeting, the Township Committee adopted an ordinance=20 that paved the way for the construction of a hotel higher than 50' in=20 the recreational commercial zone where SFGA is located. The new=20 maximum hotel height permitted in a recreational commercial zone is=20 125', Shea said. Last year, the Zoning Board of Adjustment approved a request by=20 developer Mitch Leigh for a variance to build a 55'-tall hotel in an=20 area of Jackson Commons that was zoned for one no higher than 50'. Jackson Commons is a 2.9 million-sq-ft commercial campus on East=20 Commodore and West Commodore boulevards, near the entrance to I-195.=20 The board also approved Leigh's preliminary site plan. However, during testimony last year, Leigh's professionals said that=20 construction of a hotel in the project would begin at a later phase=20 in its anticipated buildout. Shea, who also represents Leigh, said that although many of the rides=20 at SFGA are taller than the amusement park's proposed hotel,=20 Jackson's municipal land use code would have required that a variance=20 be requested by the entertainment facility, too. Instead, he said the ordinance the committee adopted last month could=20 enable SFGA to open the hotel by spring 2007 if the Planning Board=20 approves the application it will hear tonight. "The ordinance=20 stipulates that the further the setback, the higher the hotel that=20 can be built," Shea said on Monday. "This creates a harmonious blend=20 in balance with the setting. Everything will be in scale." Shea noted that township planner Rick Ragan remarked in his review=20 letter that the architectural plans for the hotel were most=20 attractive. SFGA will not request any variances and since the committee changed=20 the hotel height requirement in the recreational commercial zone, the=20 application will be fully conforming, Shea said. According to the agenda for the Planning Board's Aug. 4 special=20 meeting, the application for the hotel was deemed complete on July=20 21. A decision is due on the application by Oct. 24. Shea indicated that SFGA's management is hopeful that a favorable=20 decision will be made by the board sooner than that date so that=20 construction can be completed within 2 years. "It's designed for full- year operation, but no representation is being made that it will be=20 open 365 days," Shea told the Tri-Town News. "They want to maintain=20 full flexibility so they can respond to market forces." SFGA is open 7 days a week through the summer and weekends through=20 the fall. -------------- =A9 2001 - 2005 Greater Media Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 14:59:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54817 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 21:59:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:59:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Decline in visitors worries Cedar Point's parent firm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cpaEb03_nONZwaoj04M8FgXRZvDwcJf0Uha730uzP-pbvuo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 3, 2005 Toledo Blade http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050803/BUSINESS06/508030402 SANDUSKY, OH - Attendance has dipped 4% at Cedar Point amusement park=20 so far in 2005 despite good weather, and executives say the=20 struggling economies of Ohio and Michigan are partly to blame. In a conference call with Wall Street analysts yesterday, Richard=20 Kinzel, CEO of parent Cedar Fair LP, acknowledged that executives are=20 troubled by the drop in visitors through July 31. "We're very=20 disappointed in attendance - and we're looking at reasons for it,"=20 Kinzel said during the call. The call was held 1 day after the publicly traded partnership=20 announced that 2nd-quarter profits fell 17% to $12.3 million, or 22=20 cents a share, on increased sales of $149 million. A 3% sales gain was attributed to strong business at CF's water parks=20 in a summer that has been dry & hot as well as to increased purchases=20 of food and other items by visitors to CP and other company-owned=20 amusement parks. Surveys taken in the spring suggest that high gas prices aren't a=20 factor in the attendance drop, the CEO said. He noted, however, that unemployment exceeds the national average in=20 both Ohio and Michigan, which are key markets. In Detroit, the=20 largest source of customers, there are "fears of further layoffs in=20 the auto industry," Kinzel added. In response, managers have boosted discounts and other marketing=20 targeted at people in those areas, he said. What's more, attendance patterns have been akin to a roller coaster=20 ride, the CEO conceded. "The momentum doesn't seem like it's there as=20 in past years," he added. "This past weekend was real good. It slowed=20 down [Monday]. - We have 1 good week, then it falls off the next=20 week." CP has resolved 1 problem area: a labor dispute that prompted a=20 Cleveland-area union group to call a boycott of CP and its parent=20 company's Geauga Lake amusement park in Aurora, Ohio. The dispute, with the Tri-County Building & Construction Trades=20 Council of Akron, was resolved Monday after company executives agreed=20 to give greater consideration to unionized contractors on future=20 construction projects. The dispute arose after non-union contractors were used on a water=20 park project at GL. The boycott resulted in the loss of 30,000 to=20 40,000 customers at CP and GL combined, Kinzel estimated during the=20 conference call. Overall attendance at CF's dozen parks - including Knott's Berry Farm=20 in California -was down 2%, or by 110,000 visitors, through July 31,=20 officials said. However, traffic picked up in July, when combined attendance rose 2%. ----------- =A9 2005 The Blade From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 04 15:07:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85312 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2005 22:07:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:07:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Tiny kids still make a splash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AjzmfH9iMbfj9fq1C_sXQ0aswmI--w6AjnZ7AeTfHqKtP7o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2005 News Day http://www.newsday.com/travel/ny-trses4370025aug07,0,5761224.story? coll=ny-travel-headlines BY DEBORAH BERRY Langhorne, PA -- Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the crew at Sesame Place are celebrating a birthday this summer. Twice a day, the whole gang from "Sesame Street," the long-running PBS kids' TV program, parades through its neighborhood at Sesame Place to commemorate the opening of the amusement park 25 years ago in suburban Langhorne, Pa., just outside Philadelphia. Like thousands of other visitors at the park one day earlier this summer, we lined up along the parade route to wait for Elmo and Big Bird. To the delight of the 3 youngsters in our group, Elmo, the Count and Big Bird sang & danced in the street, accompanied by entertainers dressed in '50s-era costumes. There were colorful floats and a huge birthday cake, too. Our 1st trip to SP wore us out. From the time we stepped into the 14- acre park shortly after it opened at 10a.m. to the evening, when we closed the park at 8, there was plenty to do. The attractions range from water rides to kiddie roller coasters to live shows starring Elmo and Mr. Noodle. Tiny kids reign here, and you know the moment you step through the gates - from the Teeny Tiny Tidal Wave to Ernie's Waterworks, it's obvious. Our group, which included 2-y.o. Amaya, 3-y.o. Myles and 4- y.o. Jalen, took full advantage of the attractions geared especially to them. They loved the water rides, particularly the Rubber Duckie Pond, which has a slide that dumped them into a shallow pool of water. Park officials said they have watched interest in water rides grow through the years, even among the park's young audience, so now there are 15 water attractions. "Water rides are important, so those elements have been added. But not everyone wants to get in the water, so there are other things to do," Shapiro said. For those less inclined to get soaked, there's Grover's World Twirl, a spinning top ride, or Ernie's Bed Bounce, similar to a "moon bounce" at fairs and carnivals. "We know our niche. . . . We know what trends are popular for this target audience," said Audrey Shapiro, director of communications and consumer marketing for SP. ------------ Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 04 16:16:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33700 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 23:16:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:14:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200508041614.AA897908884@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: New coasater in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=7Nous8_rdxARVyuXuuZc1kQLRnzXgeLttRo6JrWM1IDlVGVyODds X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, though. I hope the rolling stock is Millennium Flyer. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Aug 04 16:36:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5400 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 23:36:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.154.56612afd (15877) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542f2a68516f; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:36:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:36:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F2A672.5020401@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Kingda Ka Finally Reopening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=3PmmqSEN0MU0xZdHj7aHr7XQFmvCrQLJEWyFa3o7nFzsvydyIg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/index.asp That says it all, looks like the ride will finally reopen tommorrow. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 05:42:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75312 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 12:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 5565 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2005 12:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20050805124116.5563.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.238.5.14] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:41:15 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 05:41:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200508041614.AA897908884@karenandjay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=gdJntBEDgfxPv5P2BTFroxiAugM2os9s79kq60cUJBB-hQs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. > Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old > Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big > a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty > fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than > the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, > though. Yeah, they said that the Airplane drop was the inspiration for the ride. In addition, the compact nature of the Power Park layout was inspired by the internal station designs of rides like the CI Tornado. > I hope the rolling stock is Millennium Flyer. I don't think they're building them without MF's anymore, in part because I don't think PTC's can physically navigate these designs (aside from the ride they give). Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 06:05:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29930 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 13:05:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:04:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050805124116.5563.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9XXRDjK5NibWxAb53wxB84HcfwiHQADeUU-zgTykla7r9XhEoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > > I'm glad to see that GCI is getting more business. > > Does this ride remind anyone else of Rye's old > > Aeroplane coaster? At 2800 feet, it's not that big > > a ride, and it looks like it's going to move pretty > > fast. All the hills are considerably shorter than > > the lift. Looks like it should be quite fun, > > though. > > Yeah, they said that the Airplane drop was the > inspiration for the ride. In addition, the compact > nature of the Power Park layout was inspired by the > internal station designs of rides like the CI Tornado. > Adam Adam, or anybody else for that matter, Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? I here about it all the time, but I can't recall ever seeing what all the fuss is about. Chris B I climbed Mt. Fuji on Wednesday. It was not very fun, but I can say I did it! From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 07:02:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 14:02:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 14:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2005 14:02:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:02:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.24.168.10 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89457996; y=Z4Fu0MHepd89jBVvjninCsYFCsPI5bXakz1SdmfUpe4mQTtfWabZo6xJpOBQ5II X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisbaran_express > Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? If you look about 3/4 of the way down this page, there are a couple pictures. The overhead view is pretty good: http://manchesterhistory.net/bellevue/church.html From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Fri Aug 05 07:02:41 2005 X-Deleted-Message: yes From thunder7nyfl@aol.com Fri Aug 05 13:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53530 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2005 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.219.64c7382 (2519) for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <219.64c7382.30252946@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:42:46 EDT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:11:16 From: thunder7nyfl@aol.com Subject: Breaking News: Another Disney Death - Click Link For More Information X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185590975; y=iQerJ4pcDB51tmyOT7-iJjUx_zo0m91qiV5CGl8zUBRtm_oQ2U73 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050805020509990006&ncid=NWS0 0010000000001_ (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050805020509990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 05 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3699 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 02:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 02:01:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:59:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200508051859.AA660406588@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane (was New Coaster...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=svNhxTnd9NaHtxWWN5_l2CEDEN0c2RSnXg9CSc29Q7oLu588R1sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? I here about it all the time, but I can't recall ever seeing what all the fuss is about. < The classic book "Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" has many terrific photos of it along with track schematics. (It's available from Gunther Hall, and is a must for all coaster afficianados.) The coaster is famous for several reasons. One is that it was really an artistically beautiful coaster situated next to a shore. The ride's profile was unique, with its giant "bottleneck" and hidden mass of compact track. Next to Traver's infamous Cyclone series, the ride was probably the most severe and punishing ever built, mainly because the bulk of the track was completely hidden from view. Riders had no way to prepare for the sharp twists and turns that made up most of the coaster's tight layout. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 04:42:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68251 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:42:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:42:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New coaster in bowling green KY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-CmLQvQcDTS1liZZyc2bxX8_OtJEZkCd8YnzRWGPYe2D8A7sWw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > > Do you know if there are decent pictures of this old coaster? > > If you look about 3/4 of the way down this page, there are a couple > pictures. The overhead view is pretty good: > > http://manchesterhistory.net/bellevue/church.html Chris, thanks for the pic. It certainly looks cool, I don't think I've ever seen a triangular woodie before. Jay, I'll see about getting the book, I'll check Amazon and B&N for starters. I hope Karen is feeling better. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 04:50:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6451 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:50:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2005 11:50:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:50:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508051859.AA660406588@karenandjay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.26.137.118 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane (was New Coaster...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3ZtEo3RxmyyQ3xSVgq6tsBWtTymfdoGC4ha3EEd7S-HV1EQucw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: > The classic book "Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" has many terrific photos of it along with track schematics. (It's available from Gunther Hall, and is a must for all coaster afficianados.) > > Jay OUCH! It's $200 on Amazon, and not available from B&N.com. Oh well. Chris B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 06:22:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98261 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.163) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 41116 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 13:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050806132204.41114.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 06:22:04 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 06:22:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Hurricane Harbor turns roads into a disaster area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=Mt3yXl-dWDh1GZHTWK62zG5nYBay0J0sM0jU86f6Jnz0t4I X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Hurricane Harbor turns roads into a disaster area By Bob Susnjara Daily Herald Staff Writer Posted Friday, August 05, 2005 Six Flags Great America’s renewed popularity has brought with it an onslaught of weekend traffic headaches for drivers heading north to the Gurnee theme park and points beyond. Great America is on pace to draw at least 3 million visitors, about 500,000 more than last year, according to Gurnee Village Administrator James Hayner. Great America hasn’t drawn 3 million patrons since 1999, he said. It’s believed the new water park, Hurricane Harbor, is responsible for the surge. One of the most popular routes to Great America is the Tri-State Tollway, especially for visitors from south of Lake County. Some northbound drivers report weekend traffic jams starting at Route 22 — roughly 10 miles from Great America — then easing after the east Grand Avenue exit near the park. Gurnee police Cmdr. Jay Patrick said the Great America traffic congestion has occurred from 9:30 a.m. to noon for the past several weekends. He said extra police will be on the street this weekend to keep traffic moving through intersections near the theme park, such as Dilley’s Road and Grand Avenue. Traffic tieups are common on the weekends around Great America on Interstate 294. “We haven’t had to deal with this for several years,” Patrick said. Candace Fujii, who lives near Great America, said she’s noticed “road rage” on the eastbound Grand Avenue ramp during her weekend morning travels. “People laying on their horns; people flipping each other off,” Fujii said. Messages flashed on a sign well before the east Grand Avenue exit warn northbound tollway drivers of ramp backups. The sign was installed in 2001 in reaction to a crash that killed three Iowa family members at the ramp a year earlier. However, Great America-related weekend traffic jams aren’t confined to the Grand Avenue tollway exit. Patrick said it’s been slow going for drivers on Grand Avenue heading west to Great America from Route 41. Some Gurnee officials attribute the problems to drivers bypassing higher tollway fees in favor of Route 41. “We’ve never had an east-to-west issue before,” said Hayner, a lifelong 52-year Gurnee resident. Tollway spokeswoman Joelle McGinnis said the numbers don’t back the idea that higher fees are prodding drivers into fleeing the Tri-State for Route 41 on weekends. Sport-utility vehicles, minivans and cars account for a minimal 2.1 percent drop in tollway transactions since the increased rates became effective in January, McGinnis said. The study covered January through June. Meanwhile, Gurnee’s bottom line will get fatter with Great America’s attendance jump. Gurnee collects a 3 percent amusement tax on Great America tickets, which is why the park must provide attendance numbers to village government. Excluding various promotional deals, a ticket costs $44.99. Hayner said Great America’s Saturday and Sunday crowds have averaged 40,000 to 45,000 for most of the summer season. Great America and its parent company, Six Flags Inc., don’t release attendance figures to the public. Great America spokeswoman Katie Goodale would only say the park seems “more popular” since Hurricane Harbor opened this year. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 07:17:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33303 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 14:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 87078 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 14:17:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050806141739.87076.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.33.103.99] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:17:39 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: Pandemonium Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820; y=LbMgfwcecim3r2OGx3wefWkOvMZArzrQMXHpHV3mTgcfH7s X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested, a video of SFNE's Pandemonioum is up at the Gerstlauer website: http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/ (direct link http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/video/Spinning-Coaster_SFNE.wmv) Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Aug 06 11:33:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18048 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2005 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2005 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2005 18:33:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:31:37 -0700 Message-Id: <200508061131.AA2451832890@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Rye Aeroplane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=Tr_CXyN3wQpXc1TSOQ6xj4OSnmRtYXzFf_xKLQF-1kfeaU5sQ4UL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >OUCH! It's $200 on Amazon, and not available from B&N.com. >Oh well. < Again, I suggest trying Gunther Hall. > http://www.guntherhall.com < They got exclusive rights to re-publish the book. (It was originally a production of ACE in conjunction with the author, Richard Munch.) It was listed in GH's last catalogue that I was sent and I think it was only about $30. But I noticed it's no longer listed on their website. It may have slipped back out of production. But it may be worth giving GH a call. Gunther Hall Limited PO Box 140 Alton Bay NH 0381 (603) 875-2248 And Karen is doing okay now. Thanks for asking. We might even be able take in one more park before the summer ends! (But, alas, no roller coaster riding....) Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 07 12:08:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66922 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.204.740cb9f (3310) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <204.740cb9f.3027b62d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:08:29 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: (no subject) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=gA9rmsZOZQN9bkFjmwxX-6ZQc9cZB-4ACmRN8tsKjV4hvMaN4Rni X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People: My mom Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Me (15) We arrived at the park around 2:30 PM. When we got to the toll, they told u= s=20 to go to the back parking lot. We went in the back entrance. We relized how= =20 crowded the park was, so we went to guest relations to get the handicap pas= s. My=20 sister has arthritis. First we walked over to Le Cobra. This season Savannah reached 54 inches. W= e=20 walked up the exit, and told us to come back at 3. We decided to go on Orbi= te=20 becuase Savannah had never been on an S&S Space Shot. It was great. Savanna= h=20 screamed the whole time, but she loved it. But Savannah started not to feel= =20 well. And started complaning . From Orbite, we saw that Le Boomerang got st= uck on=20 the first lift. And it kept moving back and forth. So Boomerang was out of= =20 the question, for now. Anthony and I decided to ride Le Vampire. We still prefer Batman The Ride.= =20 But it's no where is good as Talon. After that. We sat down and ate. Poutin= e=20 rocks! Le Vampire got stuck before we got on it. But it was only for one mi= nute.=20 Anthony and I couldn't go on Le Cobra with out Savannah. So we skipped it. = We=20 went in the Nintendo Dome. We all wanted to go on Bob L'=E9ponge 3D, so we tried it. We all hated it. = I'll=20 never go on this again! I don't like Spongebob that much, but that's not th= =20 reason. There were three preshows. The first one was just the main menu of = the=20 Spongebob movie. The main theater was much bigger. And it had a balcony for= =20 little kids who can't use the seats. The main reason we hated it was the=20 harnesses. Yes! This ride had OTSR! They hurt! Also is was alot shakier, an= d the=20 vibration when the jellyfish stings you, was so hard, that it made me screa= m! It=20 reminded me of The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. We heard thunder, so Savannah, Anthony and I ran to Le Monstre. We got the= =20 last car on track 1. i got on ride footage of it. There are NO camera rules= La=20 Ronde. I don't care if this coaster has Morgan trains, it still rocks! After that we ran to Super Man=E8ge. Got an other POV. It was a little roug= her=20 than usual but still good. After that I went on Manitou. Wow this gives you= =20 excellent airtime! Boomerang reopened. And i was the only one with this cre= dit.=20 But no one wanted to go on it because it was breaking like crazy. I went on= by=20 myself. Wow this ride sucks! It hurt really bad. It bounced up and down like a real= ly=20 bad wooden coaster. I have on-ride footage from it though. After I got off,= =20 it got stuck on the second lift and it sat there for one mintue and rolled = back=20 two feet and sat there for an other ten minutes. Than Super Man=E8ge got st= uck=20 on the top of the lift for the fourth time.=20 After that we went on Le Dragon. This is still one of my favorite indoor=20 coasters. I got an other POV. After that we went on the Minirail. We took o= ne and=20 a half laps. We got off and went on L'Pitoune. We didn't get wet.=20 After that. Savannah braved up and said, I'll go on Le Cobra. She figured s= he=20 should get on her first stand up coaster. Getting in the stand up seats,=20 Savannah was freaking out a little. Going up the lift she was a bit nervous= . Me an=20 Anthony put our hands up. Savannah screamed. And than we were both in shock= .=20 Savannah put her hands up in the loop. This was the best ride I ever had on= =20 this ride. Savannah was so happy she rode it.=20 Then we went on Le Vampire. Savannah loved this, and put her hands up on th= is=20 too. Savannah and I went on Orbite again after Le Vampire. It was good.=20 Savannah loves Vekoma! Expecially there Boomerangs, so we went on Le boomer= ang.=20 Anthony doesn't care for Boomerangs, so it was just us two. I still don't l= ike=20 this ride. But Savannah likes it. She's now been on three Boomrangs.=20 Anthony, Savannah and I went on Le Monstre again. But we waited for the=20 fron't row. It was good. Savannah and mom went on Le Spirale. So Anthony an= d I went=20 on Le Dragon again.=20 After that. Savannah and Anthony took a ride on Condor. After that. Savanna= h,=20 Anthony and I got our credit on La Marche du Mille-pattes. Wow this ride is= =20 good. It's a kiddie coaster with great airtime!=20 Mom, Savannah, Anthony and I took a ride on Joyeux Moussaillons. It was nic= e.=20 Except at the end. Savannah and I got soaked on the little hill. While=20 Anthony and mom laughed at us. The park closed so we went home. -Dainan Rafferty webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 07 12:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40131 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 19:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 19:10:53 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.156.56723682 (3310) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156.56723682.3027b6b1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:10:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: TR: La Ronde 8/2/05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=38U9toNtdQ0mVBHnRtJO65Pfts4IzXq-ZCPpG5brVCYFxophIKw2 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People: My mom Savannah (9) Anthony (15) Me (15) We arrived at the park around 2:30 PM. When we got to the toll, they told u= s=20 to go to the back parking lot. We went in the back entrance. We relized how= =20 crowded the park was, so we went to guest relations to get the handicap pas= s.=20 My=20 sister has arthritis. First we walked over to Le Cobra. This season Savannah reached 54 inches. W= e=20 walked up the exit, and told us to come back at 3. We decided to go on Orbi= te=20 becuase Savannah had never been on an S&S Space Shot. It was great. Savanna= h=20 screamed the whole time, but she loved it. But Savannah started not to feel= =20 well. And started complaning . From Orbite, we saw that Le Boomerang got=20 stuck on=20 the first lift. And it kept moving back and forth. So Boomerang was out of= =20 the question, for now. Anthony and I decided to ride Le Vampire. We still prefer Batman The Ride.= =20 But it's no where is good as Talon. After that. We sat down and ate. Poutin= e=20 rocks! Le Vampire got stuck before we got on it. But it was only for one=20 minute.=20 Anthony and I couldn't go on Le Cobra with out Savannah. So we skipped it. = We=20 went in the Nintendo Dome. We all wanted to go on Bob L'=E9ponge 3D, so we tried it. We all hated it. = I'll=20 never go on this again! I don't like Spongebob that much, but that's not th= =20 reason. There were three preshows. The first one was just the main menu of= =20 the=20 Spongebob movie. The main theater was much bigger. And it had a balcony for= =20 little kids who can't use the seats. The main reason we hated it was the=20 harnesses. Yes! This ride had OTSR! They hurt! Also is was alot shakier, an= d=20 the=20 vibration when the jellyfish stings you, was so hard, that it made me screa= m!=20 It=20 reminded me of The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. We heard thunder, so Savannah, Anthony and I ran to Le Monstre. We got the= =20 last car on track 1. i got on ride footage of it. There are NO camera rules= =20 La=20 Ronde. I don't care if this coaster has Morgan trains, it still rocks! After that we ran to Super Man=E8ge. Got an other POV. It was a little roug= her=20 than usual but still good. After that I went on Manitou. Wow this gives you= =20 excellent airtime! Boomerang reopened. And i was the only one with this=20 credit.=20 But no one wanted to go on it because it was breaking like crazy. I went on= =20 by=20 myself. Wow this ride sucks! It hurt really bad. It bounced up and down like a real= ly=20 bad wooden coaster. I have on-ride footage from it though. After I got off,= =20 it got stuck on the second lift and it sat there for one mintue and rolled= =20 back=20 two feet and sat there for an other ten minutes. Than Super Man=E8ge got st= uck=20 on the top of the lift for the fourth time.=20 After that we went on Le Dragon. This is still one of my favorite indoor=20 coasters. I got an other POV. After that we went on the Minirail. We took o= ne=20 and=20 a half laps. We got off and went on L'Pitoune. We didn't get wet.=20 After that. Savannah braved up and said, I'll go on Le Cobra. She figured s= he=20 should get on her first stand up coaster. Getting in the stand up seats,=20 Savannah was freaking out a little. Going up the lift she was a bit nervous= .=20 Me an=20 Anthony put our hands up. Savannah screamed. And than we were both in shock= .=20 Savannah put her hands up in the loop. This was the best ride I ever had on= =20 this ride. Savannah was so happy she rode it.=20 Then we went on Le Vampire. Savannah loved this, and put her hands up on th= is=20 too. Savannah and I went on Orbite again after Le Vampire. It was good.=20 Savannah loves Vekoma! Expecially there Boomerangs, so we went on Le=20 boomerang.=20 Anthony doesn't care for Boomerangs, so it was just us two. I still don't=20 like=20 this ride. But Savannah likes it. She's now been on three Boomrangs.=20 Anthony, Savannah and I went on Le Monstre again. But we waited for the=20 fron't row. It was good. Savannah and mom went on Le Spirale. So Anthony an= d=20 I went=20 on Le Dragon again.=20 After that. Savannah and Anthony took a ride on Condor. After that. Savanna= h,=20 Anthony and I got our credit on La Marche du Mille-pattes. Wow this ride is= =20 good. It's a kiddie coaster with great airtime!=20 Mom, Savannah, Anthony and I took a ride on Joyeux Moussaillons. It was nic= e.=20 Except at the end. Savannah and I got soaked on the little hill. While=20 Anthony and mom laughed at us. The park closed so we went home. -Dainan Rafferty webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 14:25:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2694 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 21:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 21:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 21:25:38 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.b9.5d772fba (15877) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0542f67c44268; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:25:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:25:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> Message-ID: <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=URYHJqKM17LH1RBHP-MtqMxcsUwTeuC9j2QuZo5h4SwpeW3P4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo I am a little behind here :P Mark Oldfield wrote on 7/26/2005, 8:15 PM: > Agree that Hydra fails to impress, it's too small/short and aside from > the bizarre start has no real stand-out/memorable moments. Dominator > is a much better ride and the only floorless I really like (yes, much > more than Medusa). I'll take a B&M inverted over a floorless any day, > hopefully we'll see an end to this fad and soon! Why? There is nothing wrong with the floorless, just a different concept. Just like an invert, it can be done very well, and not well at all. Hydra uses the concept poorly. Where is could have ground hugging turns and spins, it does not. It has a weak finish, and only one really standout feature, and that is before the lift. Does it make the whole concept of a floorless bad, I don't think so. But, hey, maybe I am just spoiled by having Medusa close by. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 14:42:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44982 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 21:42:42 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.12b.6294dfc0 (15889) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1142f680491a; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:42:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:42:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> Message-ID: <42F68031.1020409@aol.com> References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <006b01c59248$60761860$28e57618@pc9723911> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=4-Oz-g9Bkf4MEKBUQy43Owl4M8n6MQn-HUBXkNncbH0VFyECvg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Mark Oldfield wrote on 7/26/2005, 9:13 PM: > You're probably right! After all anyone knows that having every > flavor of coaster equals a fun park to visit ;). In the long run, does it matter. What really matters is will the general public be interested in the ride. If it is something bold and different, then yes, even if it is a clone. Do you think the poeple standing in a five hour line right now for Kingda Ka care if there is another coaster very similar to it at Cedar Point. Most of those poeple have never even heard of Cedar Point, or if they have, it is "that big park in Ohio" (I get that alot). It is still new to them. I never understood what all the fuss over clones is about. I mean, really, the park isn't making money off of people like us, they are making money off of the families, or the thrill seekers, or the locals that go to the annual company picnic. They don't care what we think, and that is how it should be. A clone is still going to add to their bottom line, it is going to give them something most of their visitors have never seen before, and usually it is a decent ride to boot, even the dime a dozen boomerangs are crowd pleasers. > A park like HW adds > their third coaster and I'll be ten times more likely to visit than > SFGAM with a new cookie-cutter, at twice the distance to boot. And that is fine, because it is not your visit that counts, it is everyone else's visit that counts. SFGAm could put in a Medusa clone, and guess what, their attendence would go up. My money would be on more water slides though, since that seems to be working pretty well for them right now. > Much > prefer my hard-earned dollars go to deserving parks! Have to admit > tho that things are looking interesting at SFGADV and SFoG for next > year, we can only hope Gurnee will follow suit. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From edboxer@aol.com Sun Aug 07 17:23:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: EdBoxer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40860 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 00:23:02 -0000 Received: from EdBoxer@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.7b.4ac3f7a5 (48600) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:22:55 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5016 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: edboxer@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21551662; y=6Nv2GA7O3g1uOKUuQsaaxcqtZSyhf9NpaKPcVuJ7bm7Akw X-Yahoo-Profile: edboxer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I spent Friday and Saturday at Dorney, and while Hydra is not as good as Dominator, in some ways I liked it more. The roll out of the station is cool. I also liked the use of the terrain in that you never knew how far down the next drop was. It keeps it interesting. And all the "families" were loving it. I believe I read here that some found it to be too slow (correct me if I am wrong). Speed is not an issue, in fact the speed it goes through the two corkscrews is almost painful in the back row outside seats (but nowhere near as painful as Dominator's corkscrews. In fact, it seems to have enough speed to have added a loop after the Cobra and twisted floater. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 7. Is it my number one floorless, no. But its a fun ride. And no matter what, its 100 times better than Hercules!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 17:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21442 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 00:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 00:54:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:54:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.81.164.156 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=w4yURKAHgxGEdXEid0mRqktQxyMWZUOKUvZir8hiQj1Z2u84mw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park July 30, 2005 Sunny, hot and hazy The photo intigrated version can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/9zkgj Kinda like the tale of two parks, maybe. On Saturday, July 30, I decided to go for a ride to the Harrisburg area and visit two parks I have not been to in a little while, Twin Grove Park, which was had shut down, and the last and only time I had visited it was during an auction a few years ago, and Williams Grove park, which is a strange and wonderful park that is lost in time, and has the most frightening coaster on the planet, The Cyclone. I actually started the day with a little hike. I stopped in Mount Gretna, just off the Turnpike, and hiked up to the Governor Dick Tower, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30395727-M.jpg about a 1.3 mile hike up Governor Dick hill, and then another 66 foot climb to the top of the tower, all of this in order to spot the location of a letterbox. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30395720-M.jpg It was worth it, offering some nice views. There is something about watching hawks fly below me that I find fascinating. I am told on a clear day, you can see Hersheypark from the tower. This was not a clear day. In any case, I found the letterbox, and stolled back down. Just as an aside, some may be wondering who Governor Dick might have been. Well, turns out he was not a governor at all, but rather a laborer from the local Cornwall Furnace. Everyone called him "Governor", and for some reason or another the land was named such. The tower was built some years afterwards, in 1954 to be exact, and was in very good shape when I visited. Oh well, enough of the history lesson, back the the report. I ventured northward to Pine Grove, near Fort Indiantown Gap, where Twin Grove park is. The park itself is now a large KOA campground, with a new restaurant, large pool, ice cream shop, and a few rides, including a carousel, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378750-M.jpg ferris wheel, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378748-M.jpg kiddie whip http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378755-M.jpg and what I was really there to see, and hopefully ride, the Airplane ride, AKA, the only existing Traver Circle Swing left. I would be somewhat disappointed, the ride was not yet running, but it did go from looking like this, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/18452665-M.jpg to looking like this: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378768-M.jpg It is a lovely sight, and I can't wait until it is finally put back into operation and running again. Truly a fine piece of amusement park history. The whole area looks much improved since my last visit. They have constructed a new band shell, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378749-M.jpg a fantastic carousel building, http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30378764-M.jpg and an arcade. I have also read they have a Cuddle Up in storage that they hope to restore and run sometime next season. I left the park and headed across the street to Swatara State Park for more letterboxes (a nice 3 mile walk) and then headed to Williams Grove Park, arriving there at about 6. I found Ms Hughs at the front gate collecting the cash box, and asked if she wanted my admission (a mere $3 if I recall), and in her thick German accent she just says on no, just head on in. OK, no problem, I head over to the mushroom and get a few ride tickets, and then head off to the Cyclone, where I hopped into the front seat. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379352-M.jpg I have said it before, and I will say it again, the Cyclone at Williams Grove Park is the scariest coaster on the face of the planet. It is not the tallest, nor the fastest, nor even the most violent (though I would stay out of the back seat if I were you), it simply looks like it is going to fall out from under you at any moment. And nothing has this effect more dramatically then the front seat. You can see the track that is out of alignment, bowing this way and that, the steel rail cobbled on there, and the brutal little dips where the track has sagged over the years. I am in constant amazement the ride passes inspection. But, all that said, it is still a fun ride, with a good allotment of intense ejector air, and even a few nasty laterals for good measure. After my one ride, I decided I would not tempt fate again, and instead, got a good number of photos, and then headed over to the gift shop, where I found the appropriate "I Survived the Williams Grove Cyclone" shirt. At least the park has a sense of humor. (A few years ago, Ms Hughs asked me how the coaster was running that day, and I said something to the effect of about the usual, to which she responded, "Oh, you don't have to be so nice about it") http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379391-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379382-M.jpg I headed over to the other side of the park to ride the Wildcat. The ride may not look like much, but it does run very well, and is a tremendous amount of fun. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379367-M.jpg http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379368-M.jpg I caught a ride on the Tilt, I love Tilts, and then Dante's Inferno, which is not a great darkride by any stretch of the imagination, but at least all of the stunts worked, before finishing the night out on the Twister. http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/photos/30379354-M.jpg The Twister is a ride that can be driven, and the operator at the controls that night was particularly evil. The cycle lasted a solid ten minutes, and he made sure everyone got their fill of spinning on the ride. He did stop the ride once to let a girl off, who promptly went to a nearby fence where she somehow managed to hold onto whatever was in her stomach. Now, that is how a ride should be. And so I left the way back machine that is Williams Grove, and hit the modern-day Turnpike, and an hour and half later I was back home. For some reason I really like that little park, it is run down, and quirky, but offers a good day out, or in this case just a few hours. Complete photo galleries can be found here: http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/697647 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/697655 http://cyclonic.smugmug.com/gallery/457197 -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Aug 07 18:04:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6693 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.12e.63784366 (15876) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442f6af82b6; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:04:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:03:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> Message-ID: <42F6AF69.7020708@aol.com> References: <7b.4ac3f7a5.3027ffdf@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=B7Ugwa7lmzjG9iRNMIer48LQTskMn3zDuuR0YAKHBOIUDovGqw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo edboxer@aol.com wrote on 8/7/2005, 8:22 PM: > > And no matter what, its 100 times better than Hercules!!! Amen brother! -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 07 19:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48420 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 02:19:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 02:19:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:19:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HpByAWEN8vZa6jId5CIX0uaIYC4uf6eU6H1c9e3CuXlBhmnp7A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: Williams Grove park, which is a strange > and wonderful park that is lost in time, It reminded me of Camp Crystal Lake! > I have said it before, and I will say it again, the Cyclone at > Williams Grove Park is the scariest coaster on the face of the planet. > It is not the tallest, nor the fastest, nor even the most violent > (though I would stay out of the back seat if I were you), it simply > looks like it is going to fall out from under you at any moment. And > nothing has this effect more dramatically then the front seat. You > can see the track that is out of alignment, bowing this way and that, > the steel rail cobbled on there, and the brutal little dips where the > track has sagged over the years. I am in constant amazement the ride > passes inspection. But, all that said, it is still a fun ride, with a > good allotment of intense ejector air, and even a few nasty laterals > for good measure. > Nathan Brown I rode the back row first. I thought I was going to be paralyzed when it cracked my entire back from the intense jackhammering on the second drop. Like a fool, I rerode it immediately, in the front row, and although less painful, this is by no means a gentle coaster. I wish I had seen the "I survived..." shirts, because they certainly fit the experience. IMO, it is the worst ACE Coaster Classic I have been on! Chris B From filipm2@rpi.edu Sun Aug 07 19:21:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41978 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.7) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 02:21:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.83]) by rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a42f6c199303; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:21:13 -0500 Received: from [172.150.137.217] (AC9689D9.ipt.aol.com [172.150.137.217]) by smtp-rtc06.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j782L6Sa003402 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:21:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0C9CF55F-A0D6-452D-B049-58C8615C08F2@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:23:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-AOL-IP: 152.163.102.83 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: TR: Hersheypark - 7-30-05 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=zV8XiecZ4C4O77c70CTZLBFhAxpAMnksJntB6G4mSKl96oBLWBSm X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Hersheypark Saturday, 7/30/2005 Weather: Humid and very hot Crowds: Very heavy Most people already know about this park, so I'll try to review the stuff thats not often reviewed. It was me and my mom that went. I normally go there once a year, and its also my former homepark - I used to live in Lancaster in when I was in 1st and 2nd grade (~1992). Comet was the first major coaster I rode, and Sooperdooperlooper was the first looping one. I went to the park on Friday night at 7:30, bought tickets, and got in the park. I'm not sure how many people know about this, but at Hershey, if you purchase tickets for the next day, they let you in 2.5 hours before the park closes on that night... they call it the "preview plan" or something like that. Tickets were like $40. We didn't do much friday night, rode Lightning Racer and walked around for a bit. On Saturday, we got there at 11 (park opens at 10), and the parking lot was really full already. Hershey has a pretty good tram system. They have two or three tram stops in the parking lot, and a dedicated road just for the trams. The person in the back on some of the trams would give a Jungle Cruise-esque talk about Hershey, and some of the things you see on the way to the park... Hershey Hotel, the old Senior High, etc. The only bad thing is that the speakers on the tram are crappy and its hard to hear the person talking. And sometimes along the ride it would start smelling really bad like exhaust. I'd give the tram a 6/10... beats the hell out of walking, and the nice dedicated road for the trams. But there's room for improvement. At the park, you walk through a little village filled with stores and a restaurant or two. There are also people greeting you on the way in. This is way better than Six Flags, and not the same, but easily on par with Disney parks. Definitely gets you in a good mood. Park entrance before the gates: 10/10. I can't remember which order I went on what. We walked back and forth across the park a couple times going on different things. I went on Great Bear a couple times, which I think is one of the most underrated rides out there. I don't think its as good as Batman, and I haven't been on Talon, but its still a wicked good ride. It doesn't really do too much, but all the inversions are awesome, and the turnaround over the river and the turns up into the corkscrew I think couldn't have been designed better. I rode in the 2nd seat for the first time while I was there, before I had always ridden in the back. I think the back gives the best ride, but the front gives a much better view, obviously... but I think the visuals and location make it a better front seat view than something like Batman, which is just gravel. Great Bear: 8/10. Now, on the Great Bear queue, I was thirsty, and they have two vending machines there. I saw one had Tropicana Fruit Punch, so I went to get that. It was $2.50, a total rip-off for a 20 oz. bottle. Anyways, this vending machine blew ass. It has this arm thing that goes up and grabs the bottle, then puts it in a little drawer off to the side that you open. So, this hugely complex over done thing, naturally doesn't work, the bottle gets jammed, falls to the bottom, and theres no way to get it out. It's hard to explain. And I lost my money. Anyway, take my word for it, this thing was an enormous piece of crap, worst vending machine ever designed by far. Later in the day, on another ride, the arm that grabbed the bottles was totally broken, so I was a little happy. I went to guest services at the end of the day, which didn't have a line at all, and they gladly gave me my money back without any questions. Great Bear Vending Machine: 0/10... Hershey Guest Services: 10/10. I also went on Stormrunner, their Intamin rocket coaster. Now, let me just say, I don't really like Intamin, but I didn't really hold it against them, and was looking forward to getting on this ride. Now, having said that, what a piece of crap this ride is. First, their crappy engineering. The trains are by far the worst part about this ride, and they suck really bad. First, they are almost impossible to move through. I had a really hard time getting in and out of them, trying to get around the open restraints, and random handles they have on the back of the seats for no apparent reason. I'd be surprised if someone hasn't fallen and injured themselves trying to get in or out of the car yet, and if not, I won't be surprised when it does happen. And the restraints, the they are terrible, and the worst restraints I have ever experienced, except maybe the ones on Big Bad Wolf and Loch Ness at BGW. I'm 6'2'', and when I got in for the first time, and leaned forward, I said, wow, these are really hard. The OSTR part only looks like its made of flimsy metal sheet, not an actual bar, but its surprisingly stiff in the shoulder area. For the launch they're fine, but with Intamin's throw-you-out-of-the-car airtime, it killed my collarbones. The first time I went on it, for the entire second half of the ride, especially through the zero-g rolls, I was in really bad pain, and all I remember thinking is, "MAKE IT STOP". I rode again later and put my hands in between the OSTRs and my shoulders, and that helped out a lot. My shoulders were sore for a couple days afterwards from that, and had some weird looking bruises on them. Also, there is a pathway under the launch track, with lots of exposed wires. Not exposed like the copper part, but exposed to guests. If I wanted to, I could have jumped up and started pulling on them, or climbed a nearby wall. I'm really surprised Hershey hasn't put some sort of cover over them. For the actual ride, the launch is absolutely fantastic, and the top hat is good. After that, the ride just dies. You go through a couple inversions that are very jerky, and not really natural, smooth motions. The worst offender of this is the dip under the monorail track, and the train goes into this turn that is way overbanked, and the first time I rode I got slammed around a little because I wasn't ready for the train banking so rapidly. The ride seems to be pretty popular with the GP however. And throughout the day, I didn't see it roll back or break down at all. And probably the best thing (other than the launch) about the ride was the on ride picture system. Instead of one camera snapping pictures of every row really fast, they have a row of 10 cameras that all take a picture of every car in the train at the same time. Besides being easier on a launched coaster because they don't have to deal with shortening intervals between snapping pictures, it should allow for higher resolution and quality images, which it looks like there were from the photo booth monitors (I didn't get one though, so not sure how well they print out). Overall, the ride was a good concept, and if it wasn't built by an ehhhh engineering firm, it probably would've come out really good. Stormrunner: 3/10. I went on the Comet in 2.1 later on in the day. This ride is in major need of a refurbishment. A while back I recall someone talking about how they wanted to add fin brakes to the ride, because now they use these friction brakes... basically two pads on the train, and two pads on the track come up and press on them. They're very gentle, sort of like magnetic brakes, but its hard for the operator to line up, and kills some dispatching time. The ride is especially in need of a retracking. In 2.1, on some parts of the ride where the train was going slower (<5mph), you can feel the car twisting along the axis parallel to the track. I've never felt this on any other ride I've been on, and its probably not very good for the train or the track. The ride itself is pretty good, and not that bumpy compared to other wooden coasters out there, but its a little unnerving when your wondering if the car will fly apart in the middle of the ride. Get GCI in there to do a retracking job, and the coaster will be great. Soooperdooperlooper is still running surprisingly smooth. The pullout from the loop is very intense, and the rest of the ride is like the last 1/8 of Great Bear... just seems to be getting back to the station. Its a great ride for younger people. Lightning Racer is still running really good. There was a little micro-jackhammering going on, but its painful at all, and I think it just makes it feel like the coaster is going faster. Lightning won almost every time, and I think is the better ride. The park was really crowded, but Hershey seemed to do a great job of handling the crowds. There were employees everywhere, and people with little carts walking around with popcorn and soda and all that stuff. But it was still insanely hot, and I wound up going out of the park for a couple hours and back to the hotel just to cool off. Most of the other rides can be found at most other parks, and I can't think of too much more to talk about. Overall, Hershey is a great park, and they do an excellent job of trying to make sure everyone is having a good time. Chocolate World, of course, is also really good, and free chocolate at the end of the tour ride is awesome. Speaking of the tour ride, it looked like they were renovating the last scene of the ride since there wasn't much there compared to what it normally is. But if you're in the area, check this park out... they're definitely now on the same level as the Anheuser-Busch parks, if not better. Mike From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 07:37:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54335 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 14:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 14:36:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:36:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.68.34.67 From: "Matt" Subject: Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=C9Iadfw3xodURno0WPdncB3huofroguGG3FgyMFSrdjIm3Bf7dpaW20 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 08 08:01:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56283 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 15:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 15:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) (64.102.122.149) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 15:01:26 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2005 11:00:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,174,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="65637665:sNHT28167684" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j78ExpTa026265 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:17 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:00:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:00:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 15:00:17.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[E33EE7F0:01C59C29] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=IZGfmgqzcgkiKO0O3lpFBC3gBBFHXxwu-45ZZizbaA8WHXBu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, A friend of mine took these at Kings Dominion when he was a kid, and recently scanned them all: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/kings_dominion_1978/ I've never been to that park, but I particularly liked the first few from the tower. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Are we * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** there yet?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 08 10:26:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13633 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.117) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-62-5-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.62.5.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080816391701300ck5lce>; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:39:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: TR: Mall of America, Valleyfair, Dells X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=yPBj0LDRP1Tt5tQzxzzTEeBvTI1pbnr3z36JuO1HhJtlPRSvuz2foQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Was in Minneapolis last weekend so hit the area parks with friends... Mall of America -- new spinny thing (Timberland Twister, Zamperla spinning coaster) is a lot of fun and well-placed. Ripsaw is, well, Ripsaw, which is to say just fine for what it is. Crazy long trains. Valleyfair -- For having a pretty good variety of coasters, they sure do have a lot of mediocrity. Wild Thing (Morgan hyper) is still a lot of fun. High Roller (NAD wooden out-and-back) is simply a reminder of what it once was. Excalibur (Arrow mine train sort of) is weird but entertaining. And I enjoyed Steel Venom (Intamin inverted launched shuttle), which was my first of those launches besides Volcano. Dells -- Hades (Gravity Group, in-house construction) is awesome. Hard to say how it compares to my other top wooden coasters (Boulderdash, Raven, Shivering Timbers, CI Cyclone) but it's certainly right up there. Disorienting, fast as hell, and those tunnels...well, they're insane. Also, I think it was my 150th coaster. Cyclops (CCI) is aging fine - just as fun as ever. Zeus (CCI) is not aging well. Rough and no longer out in the woods. Very sad; this used to be a favorite of mine. Pegasus (CCI junior) has added "rough" to "boring" on its list of features. Dive to Atlantis (Hopkins) is dumb and wet, and has the cheapest water stunt ever -- literally a faucet open next to the trough pouring on you. Avalanche (S&S wood division) is funny. The air time is incredible, the curves are painful, and the ride will probably be unrideable within about five years unless it's seriously well-maintained. (Maintenance is a concern for Hades too, especially in the helices at the end.) The Galaxi at Riverview is AWESOME. Totally rocked my world. Took S:ROS out of the top spot. Oh, wait, it's not and it didn't. It's a Galaxi. Just got confused for a minute there. -Bill From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 10:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34642 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:54:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:53:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X8_SX5_1aDm3rRb_iZC9oQsnHRK2s4QXXlTsuczWmvd-91I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 8, 2005 El Paso Times http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20050808/NEWS/508080329/1001 by David Crowder El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in=20 Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement=20 park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. Cook said the trip by his executive assistant Matthew Briones and his=20 economic summit coordinator Oscar Gonzalez to the "Roller coaster=20 Capital of America" was paid for by former City Council candidate=20 Alan Serna. Serna "wanted to do it because he thinks El Paso needs a major=20 tourist venue and an amusement park," Cook said. That was surprising news to Western Playland Amusement Park's=20 president and co-owner Pat Thomson, who intends to move most of the=20 rides now at Western Playland's Ascarate Park site to Sunland Park=20 and open there next spring. Thomson said he is also a little surprised that he wasn't invited to=20 take part in the tourism piece of the mayor's coming regional=20 economic summit. "It might not be a bad idea to go," Thomson=20 said. "I've never been invited to any of these things and only hear=20 about them in the paper. "We probably have one of the biggest tourist attractions in El Paso,=20 and no one has asked if I want to be involved." Cook said he thought Thomson was invited. Thomson, who is bitter that the county has confined his 45-y.o.=20 amusement park to 13 acres at Ascarate Park for the past 20 years=20 despite 3 efforts to expand it, said he thinks he has something to=20 offer to the tourism discussion if the Cook administration is really=20 interested in a regional approach. "Is this a good place for an=20 amusement park? Yes, and I've got it," Thomson said. "I've been here=20 for 45 years, paid my taxes every year and done a lot in the=20 community, and now they want to bring in someone to compete with me?" Thomson said that he has a 60-acre site across the road from Sunland=20 Park Racetrack & Casino and that he won't be hampered in his growth=20 by the rent - 10% of gross receipts - that El Paso County is charging=20 him at Ascarate Park. "Sunland Park is going to have a nice=20 entertainment center with the racetrack and casino and Western=20 Playland," he said. "That's something El Paso should look at." ------------- =A9 2005 El Paso Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 10:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52817 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 17:56:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:56:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 17:56:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:56:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1057 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park safety tips X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7LnPkkq8wLMrub5Z74FYKZoCY9BziVh6KMrgCegQoF5hz54 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 5, 2005 The Advocate http://www.norwalkadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa- safety2aaug05,0,1733928.story?coll=3Dnor-news-local-headlines In New York state, the Department of Labor enforces amusement ride=20 safety. Each year, it inspects about 1,700 rides at 110 amusement=20 parks and 900 carnivals. It recommends the following safety tips for=20 adults taking children to an amusement park: * Don't assume a ride is safe for children if you hold them. If you=20 are holding your child, you are not looking after yourself, and both=20 of you could be at risk. * Observe age, height and weight restrictions. * Talk to children so they know what to expect of the ride. * If your child gets scared, ask, if possible, that the ride be=20 stopped. * If your child is afraid of the ride, it's best to avoid it. * For water rides, do not run on decks or other areas surrounding=20 pools. On water slides, follow instructions and leave the bottom of=20 the pool quickly. Use flotation devices when needed. -------------- =A9 2005, Southern Connecticut Newspapers, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71987 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:10:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:10:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Plans revealed for ocean theme park at Ko Olina X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BmmW0nSkZJOovXY4v1LLSW_Sw_kXLjzFZkeae-51JtIuMUc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 8, 2005 The Honolulu Advertiser http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/08/ln/508080337.htm l By Rod Ohira O'ahu, Hawaii -- A young boy wearing a Harry Potter hat approached Ko=20 Olina Resort & Marina VP Michael Nelson at last month's=20 Makakilo/Kapolei/Honokai Hale Neighborhood Board meeting to=20 ask: "When are the sharks going to be here?" After nearly 2 years of planning & design work, Nelson can now answer=20 the question. Pending approval of its application for a conditional use permit,=20 West Honolulu Attractions LLC =97 an entity managed by Ko Olina master=20 developer Jeff Stone =97 plans to begin construction in Dec. of an=20 interactive marine amusement park on 3.7 acres with hopes of opening=20 the facility in late 2008. The young boy's enthusiasm is an indication of the buzz in the=20 community that the Ko Olina project, which is being financed by up to=20 $75 million in state tax credits, is indeed going to be a lot more=20 than what was originally seen as a "world-class aquarium." "I think=20 we all thought at first that it was a neat thing but still a big=20 aquarium where you go to see sharks and other things," M/K/HH Board=20 chairwoman Maeda Timson said. Since January, developers have moved the site of the park to the=20 adjoining JW Marriott Ihilani Resort & Spa side of the Ko Olina=20 Resort, which requires a conditional use permit because the property=20 is zoned as a resort district. The park will be on a 21.2-acre parcel=20 makai of Aliinui Dr., between Olani St. and Kamoana Pl. "It brings us=20 closer to a saltwater source," said Fujiki, who served as director of=20 the city's departments of planning & design, building and design and=20 construction under the Harris administration.=20 With Stone out of town, Nelson and Randall Fujiki, executive VP for=20 planning & development, provided an update on the Ko Olina Marine=20 Adventure Park project. The themed-attraction park is now envisioned as being in the class of=20 Discovery Cove in Orlando, Fla., Atlantis Paradise Island in Nassau,=20 Bahamas, and Ocean World Marina in the Dominican Republic, but=20 they're "nothing quite like what we're doing," Nelson said. Nelson, a former Walt Disney marketing executive, said Ko Olina=20 Adventure Park intends to provide aquatic and adventure interactive=20 experiences with marine life in 3 man-made lagoons & pools. Guests=20 can swim with dolphins in the "Blue Lagoon"; encounter spotted eagle=20 rays, brown stingrays and small black-tip & hammerhead sharks=20 at "Shark Island"; or snorkel among tropical fish at the=20 coral "Hawaiian Reef," said Nelson, who recently returned from San=20 Diego meetings with Sea World officials and independent marine=20 biologists. "We're making sure that what we do in design is right for=20 the animals," Nelson said. "It's a high priority and we're trying to=20 do it the right way before the first spade goes in the ground." The park will have a shallow beach for children where they will be=20 able to see fish underwater. It also will feature waterfalls and=20 water slides from higher to lower pools, Nelson said. The estimated cost of the project is $41 million, said Nelson. A sports training complex and educational facilities developed or=20 operated with educational institutions, such as a marine science and=20 marine research facility, are among "attraction and educational=20 facilities" qualifying for credit under the law. The park will=20 provide educational opportunities for students to work with marine=20 biologists as well as employment opportunities. Ko Olina will have until 2009 to spend up to $75 million on the=20 marine park project to qualify for tax credits, which must be=20 redeemed over 10 years at $7.5 million a year. Tax credits can be=20 claimed beginning next year. Separate plans call for a luxury hotel=20 and time-share complex with 800-1,000 rooms, and commercial village=20 surrounding the park. Fujiki said the park will be built first before=20 the surrounding parts are developed. The park will be open to the public and general operating hours are=20 expected to be 10a.m.-6p.m., Nelson said. Timson said increased traffic is an immediate concern anytime a=20 multimillion dollar project is proposed in West O'ahu. "The feeling=20 is most of the people are going to be on the property (as guests at=20 the resort) or will be bused in like they do for the luaus," Timson=20 said. "I don't think it will have a big impact on traffic." ----------- =A9 COPYRIGHT 2005 The Honolulu Advertiser From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58320 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:14:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Man rides wooden coaster 5,000 times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0-7MwDjK81b7vs6NOaq3pPyrVHpBm3ZPdcWNnDKPzS0Bivc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 6, 2005 Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct-brf-- mr.rollercoas0806aug06,0,92050.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut SOUTHINGTON, Conn. -- A roller coaster fanatic reached a milestone Friday at a local amusement park after many twists, turns and screams. Anthony Reynolds of South Hadley, Mass., took his 5,000th ride on the "Boulder Dash" wooden roller coaster at Lake Compounce. Park officials said Reynolds, who goes by the nickname "Coaster Tony," rode the coaster on the 1st day it opened in 2000. On some days, he went on the ride 100 times. In his lifetime, he estimates that he's taken 20,000 coaster rides at parks across the US & Canada. "I get butterflies at the beginning of the season," said Reynolds, a sales manager. "And I am absolutely terrified of heights." Reynolds said his obsession began at the age of 7 when he rode his 1st coaster at Mount Park in Mass. He said the rides helped him deal with family problems he was experiencing after his parents' divorce. "When I ride on a coaster," he said, "I remember that feeling as a little kid when you're all scared, and then you get off the ride and you feel like you accomplished something and you want to go back on again. This started out being a ride and it ended up being much more than I ever expected." ------------- Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 11:29:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28369 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 18:29:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 18:28:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:28:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7718 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: NEWS: Celebrating 80 years, Indiana Beach basks in visitors who come back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aoaIiY3WgC3gnkvuuBdZTHT1NDxutRmGMiBXDdiYOuHy8eY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 7, 2005 South Bend Tribune http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/08/07/living.20050807- sbt-MICH-F1-Decades_of.sto By SYDNEY SCHWARTZ MONTICELLO, Ind. -- When John McQueary and Samantha Johnson of=20 Rochester arrived home from their National Guard tours in Saudi=20 Arabia and Afghanistan last month, they got a group of friends=20 together and headed here, to "The Beach." They jumped on the Hoosier=20 Hurricane, a wooden coaster built on top of a lake, lunched at a=20 burger joint on the Boardwalk Funway, and spent some time in the=20 arcade trying to win a toaster for McQueary and his new fianc=E9e,=20 April Green. Then they boarded the Sky Ride, a 3-minute tram that traverses the=20 Indiana Beach peninsula - and gazed out at the panorama of carefree=20 summer days, anxious excitement and childhood fun. "It's just the=20 kind of a thing you got to do - come here and spend a day," said=20 McQueary, 23. McQueary said he had visited IB every summer he could remember. So=20 the park was on his list of things to do when he came home on a 15- day leave from the Middle East in early July. As Indiana's largest theme park celebrates its 80th anniversary=20 season this summer, many Hoosiers have reminisced about past days=20 working or playing at IB, and many have returned to "The Beach" to=20 create new memories. The owners of the theme park have turned a little nostalgic as well,=20 producing a 54-min. video on the resort's history, working with Coca- Cola to create an 80th anniversary commemorative bottle, and digging=20 through old posters, photographs and other knickknacks in theme park=20 attics. Last month, they opened a small museum called "The Crow's=20 Nest" in a small metal storage shed underneath 2 rickety roller- coaster tracks and across from the cackling haunted house. "We wanted=20 to preserve our history," said Ruth Davis, IB's operations manager=20 and a granddaughter of the amusement park's founder, Earl=20 Spackman. "It needs to be recorded and saved for future generations." Built in 1926 on the shores of Lake Shafer, IB is a small, family- owned amusement park with 5 roller coasters, 6 water slides and a=20 white-tablecloth restaurant. The resort is often remembered for its=20 water ski shows, dances and impromptu campfires, along with its TV=20 commercials - featuring I.B. Crow and reminding viewers that "there's=20 more than just corn in Indiana." And during the last 80 years, IB's hotels, motels and campgrounds=20 have borne witness to the magical memories of many returning=20 guests. "Anybody who's been to IB once always goes back at least once=20 a year," said Johnson, 23, who visited IB every year since she was 5- y.o. until she went overseas in the Army. "It's not just because it's=20 close. It's because of the fact that it's family-oriented. You can=20 get there and take the whole family and everybody can have fun." While amusement parks are notorious for their long lines, many=20 visitors say IB is not really that crowded. And unlike bigger parks,=20 most of the rides are suitable for elementary school children, as=20 well as their parents - many of whom went on the same rides when they=20 were kids. "They're too short. They can't ride any of the rides at=20 the big parks," said Tara Shortt of North Webster, who has fond=20 memories of going to IB "many, many times" when she was a small=20 child. "It's one of the things I love about Indiana - or the Midwest,=20 in general - that out in the middle of nowhere you can go to a small=20 park like that. And it's homey and fun, and there's lots to do and=20 everybody was really friendly," added Diana McBarnes of South Bend,=20 who recently visited IB with her husband & 5 children for the 1st=20 time. In fact, the IB Amusement Resort has always been a family affair. Earl started the resort in 1926 after purchasing a cottage for his=20 family on Lake Shafer, which had just been formed by damming up the=20 Tippecanoe River. When Earl found the lake's shores were a little too steep for=20 swimming, he built a sandy beach swimming area, along with a=20 bathhouse and a small refreshment stand. He called the vacation=20 spot "Ideal Beach." During the next few summers, Earl brought in carnival rides and built=20 a hotel and a few small cottages. He added a toboggan slide, a roller=20 rink and a dance floor that drew some of the top names in music of=20 the time - including Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong and Benny=20 Goodman. "The main attraction back in the '40s & '50 s was the=20 beautiful ballroom where big bands played all the wonderful popular=20 songs of the day," said Dema Dillon Simeri, 75, of South Bend, who=20 grew up near the White County amusement. "I am sure that every person who went there back in the old days has=20 wonderful memories of the fun they had at IB in their youth," Dillon=20 Simeri said. Earl's son, Thomas E. Spackman, does. As a child, Thomas worked at a=20 concession stand selling Coca-Cola and distributed advertising=20 placards to stores in nearby towns. He took over management of the beach from his father in the 1940s,=20 and in 1952 changed the name to "Indiana Beach." Thomas said he wanted visitors from Illinois, Michigan and other=20 states to tell their friends they had gone to a resort in "Indiana" -=20 so they would realize that the state had "more than corn." Thomas installed a permanent Ferris wheel, carousel, a roller rink,=20 miniature golf course and a boardwalk with shops. He brought in stunt=20 shows and escape artists. And in the 1970s, he started adding roller=20 coasters. Thomas, now 92, still runs IB, though his son, Tom Spackman Jr., and=20 his daughter, Ruth Davis, have taken over day-to-day operations. 2=20 others also are involved. He still eats every day in the Sky Room,=20 the theme park's restaurant that overlooks Lake Shafer and its busy=20 amusement rides. Today, the sandy beach is only a small part of the resort's small=20 peninsula. Boat rides and toboggans have turned into roller coasters=20 and water slides, and the Ferris wheel has been replaced by the Giant=20 Gondola Wheel. But the character of the resort itself hasn't changed that much.=20 Monticello still draws family vacationers from around the state and=20 from Southern Illinois and the Chicagoland area. "We keep our core,"=20 Davis said. "You still know that you've returned to The Beach, but=20 it's expanded so much more." And while the names may have changed, the gift shops and souvenir=20 shops have continued to employ many students from the area. "This is=20 kind of a neat place because a lot of people will come back in the=20 summers to work," said Ethan Butt, 24, a Purdue University student=20 who has worked at IB for the past 9 years and whose brother, sister,=20 mother and stepfather also worked at the resort. Butt and Ginny Davis, Earl's granddaughter, instigated the project to=20 renovate the small metal garage into a museum for IB memories. He has=20 been toiling in the shack for several months now - determined to=20 organize the park's historical artifacts for the 80th anniversary=20 season. Once an abandoned magic shop, the approximately 200-sq-ft shack holds=20 a cornucopia of IB memorabilia - from a sign advertising 10-cent=20 admission to an autographed photograph of Tommy Dorsey, who headlined=20 the ballroom in the 1940s, to Japanese salt-&-pepper shakers once=20 sold in the resort's emporium."It's just like someone's personal=20 garage, and it's holding our memorabilia," Davis said. "We find=20 things to add to it, a little bit each week." Davis said that someone recently brought her a prize they won at the=20 High Striker in 1957 to put in the museum. "That in itself is saying=20 to me that people are wanting to share in our endeavors here," Davis=20 said. "That's kind of special." ----------- =A9 1994-2005 South Bend Tribune From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Aug 08 12:17:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99719 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.214.66e9b1d (14374) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <214.66e9b1d.302908ab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:12:43 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570; y=os-knSkbvba4cFAFM9YVDVe5r1hQPUzmwknyY-ui9DTHdoEteMk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved Hercules. I am sad that it is gone. -Dainan webspawner.com/users/coasterdainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 08 12:36:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-5.cisco.com) (171.68.10.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2005 12:36:30 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,89,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="203561678:sNHT26964012" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j78JZ5ZV009774 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:36:18 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:36:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2005 19:36:18.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[72AE27E0:01C59C50] X-Originating-IP: 171.68.10.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xzrUjL8OlwcRGfnjEKaaApY2QvNVYsB4cC59Yztm16qP7wO2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nathan, Great report, thanks. Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, which I rode for the first time this past weekend. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Aug 08 12:56:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27170 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 19:56:51 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1000004rne for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.48 with SMTP id d48mr2683319rnf; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f3050808125650441967@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Gtotkw-fszXd_lSrTMY16szOCjV5jKnTTgfnOZEEurYHUO-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Similar, but not even close. The Cyclone looks like a child blowing bubbles nearby could knock it over with an errant bubble. On 8/8/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Hi Nathan, >=20 > Great report, thanks. >=20 > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. >=20 > Cameron. > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10862 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:41:09 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.cd.2df07f4a (15865) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942f7d163117; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:40:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=y-FsUA2t_xZgghIg_VOFqzw-oQoJLncvX3zpBDMlafE9L9xqJw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote on 8/8/2005, 10:36 AM: > Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good > about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? At one time, yes, it was. When it first opened, and for a few years afterwards, tit was a fantastic ride, lots of laterals and some decent airtime in spots. Problem was, it suffered from a poor design. It was just too big for the location, and would rip itself apart. To compound that problem it was running those aweful PTC trailored trains that just shimied back and forth between the rails, ripping the wood to shreds. All of this resulted in reprofiles, which instead of solving problems, actually created more problems. When CF took over, they just added brakes everywhere, even a set on the first drop, and all that did was make a slow, boring ride that was still rough as hell and jackhammered at the bottom of every hill. Thus, even on the busiest of days, Hercules was rarely more then a walk-on. I found a few old photos I took, I'll see if I can get tehm scanned and I'll post them. I also have an on-ride video that I downloaded from Dorney's site several years ago. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84697 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.54.49c1d61d (15865) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df942f7d28c1e3; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:45:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:45:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=axzwGiztx35qfsv00lyx1pMJTEv2MCD6TKUImpmRpBL5hZTmhg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 8/8/2005, 11:00 AM: > Hi, > > A friend of mine took these at Kings Dominion when he was a kid, and > recently scanned them all: > http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/kings_dominion_1978/ > > I've never been to that park, but I particularly liked the first few > from the tower. > > Cameron. Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. Thanks for passing that along. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49022 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.ba.776c6a20 (15886) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e42f7d2ff26a; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:47:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:47:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: <42F7D2E6.8060706@aol.com> References: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=GuyUopHi5D6kNsI7F8TFM0rHn4ZvAYnRzFz0R5GqnB_dSF4OAg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote on 8/8/2005, 3:36 PM: > Hi Nathan, > > Great report, thanks. > > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. > > Cameron. The Blue Streak (also an excellent, fun ride) pales in compairison to how little maintiance the Cyclone gets. The difference really is the Blue Streak is loved, the poor, lowly Cyclone is not. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 14:49:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1606 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.86.2db727cf (15888) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1042f7d361127; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:49:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:48:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> Message-ID: <42F7D348.5060600@aol.com> References: <42F7D14B.7020905@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=M--gIevmAEdX_uXWaN3mvj_7S-YQT8IdVh6n0vKXpzEOvqzfWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nathan Brown wrote on 8/8/2005, 5:40 PM: > At one time, yes, it was. When it first opened, and for a few years > afterwards, *** was a fantastic ride, lots of laterals and some decent > airtime in spots. Opps, sorry about that little typo :-P -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 15:09:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85400 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.76.58dcda80 (15889) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1142f7d81e32c; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:09:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:09:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> Message-ID: <42F7D806.9000805@aol.com> References: <9289416fd05d7720bfbdc7e84c4ebf1d@law.wnec.edu> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Mall of America, Valleyfair, Dells X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=acHftAQEh3o1kbbNs9RpnmTzbyjEj8Nbh7t7xs1zaXojZhYl1A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Bill Childs wrote on 8/8/2005, 12:39 PM: > Mall of America -- new spinny thing (Timberland Twister, Zamperla > spinning coaster) Shhhh...Don't let Adam hear you say that. It is actually a Gerstlauer. Nice report, short and sweet. How were the crowds in the Dells? Did you do any of the go-cart tracks I here so much about? Any good flats? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Aug 08 15:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51770 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.117) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-62-5-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.62.5.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080822305801300cmqp1e>; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:30:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:30:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Ooops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=THOBtaM9SEu7gcY37RKfDQomG-pPMniuvkldsYuUT20DkqB3OZvy5A X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam << Shhhh...Don't let Adam hear you say that. It is actually a Gerstlauer. Nice report, short and sweet. How were the crowds in the Dells? Did you do any of the go-cart tracks I here so much about? Any good flats? -- >> I'm an idiot. Sorry - I completely knew that, just blanked. Forgive me, Adam. Crowds weren't bad. Average wait for Hades was about 40 minutes, and Dells visitors are not the brightest, so there was rarely an additional wait for the front seat (which is clearly the best for Hades). Adding one more car to the train (it's built to be ready for it) would help; a second train would be better, but that'd be a major revamp, I think. We did a number of go-kart tracks. Poseidon's Drop has a double-down that kicks ass. It's real air time -- i.e., car not touching the ground, Dukes of Hazzard air time. The other ones were fun too, but that double-down just makes me giggle, it's that much fun. Didn't do any flats. Lots of skycoasters and skyscrapers and crap like that; didn't do any of them. Robocoaster looked like it threw you around real good. Disk-O looked fun but I forgot to get back there, and the anal probe restraint looked...odd. Beyond that, I didn't notice anything particularly impressive, but I wasn't paying much attention either. Time was limited, as we drove in from Minneapolis that morning and had to drive back that night... -Bill From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 15:57:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53332 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 22:57:02 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.156.5684c6ae (15888) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e1042f7e3373cb; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:56:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:56:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> Message-ID: <42F7E31E.7030602@aol.com> References: <23bcc836b7be2e6eb11a00fde2f3b823@law.wnec.edu> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ooops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=YAq7E5wpzhY6BKgoxP8Cj5bPQNssXCIbFYHNbYb8H8v-KuwrDg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Bill Childs wrote on 8/8/2005, 6:30 PM: > I'm an idiot. Sorry - I completely knew that, just blanked. Forgive > me, Adam. > I am sure he will ;-) > Crowds weren't bad. Average wait for Hades was about 40 minutes, and > Dells visitors are not the brightest, so there was rarely an additional > wait for the front seat (which is clearly the best for Hades). Adding > one more car to the train (it's built to be ready for it) would help; a > second train would be better, but that'd be a major revamp, I think. > I have always wondered how they handled the crowds with their coasters all having just one train, expecally Hades. A ride that big should at least have been designed to have two trains. > We did a number of go-kart tracks. Poseidon's Drop has a double-down > that kicks ass. It's real air time -- i.e., car not touching the > ground, Dukes of Hazzard air time. The other ones were fun too, but > that double-down just makes me giggle, it's that much fun. > That is what I have heard. Really have to try and get out there next year, looks like a great time. > Didn't do any flats. Lots of skycoasters and skyscrapers and crap like > that; didn't do any of them. Robocoaster looked like it threw you > around real good. Disk-O looked fun but I forgot to get back there, > and the anal probe restraint looked...odd. Beyond that, I didn't > notice anything particularly impressive, but I wasn't paying much > attention either. Time was limited, as we drove in from Minneapolis > that morning and had to drive back that night... That is a shame. Flats make a park. The Disk-O's look like a blast too. Hopefully I'll get down to Dollywood this winter and catcha few rides on their's. Thanks again. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Aug 08 16:43:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5135 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 23:43:56 -0000 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j78NhtuC011425 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:43:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c59c73$0660dab0$0300a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <23AA0250-36DE-4AD9-9A80-DBDCA6A478E2@buzzneon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Gregory Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=hezHg0kUzu6d5Y2ibHCQmr5S1Uw_H8DfqJHTX3uTSSRpFvE X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Cameron Silver wrote: > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. Actually the Blue Streak is in much better shape... --Greg From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 08 17:02:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34998 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2HZE-0003Nq-5F for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:02:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20050726.114029.18801.140739@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <000801c59240$3d5c0450$28e57618@pc9723911> <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <42F67C2C.1060300@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf82aae8a90e08cb608246ed318dac6a26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=xTub8iX75nM7hGQGt0LBGME8X-Zu6eMi1Wu_s84HyQyxj2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nathan Brown wrote: > Why? There is nothing wrong with the floorless, just a different > concept. I can agree, but I might also add that there isn't really anything "right" or "special" about a floorless- at least for me. The concept or gimmick is just a waste on me, as the lack of a floor really does nothing for me. There just isn't anything that being floorless adds to a ride for me. > Just like an invert, it can be done very well, and not well at > all. Hydra uses the concept poorly. I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the concept at all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Certainly nothing that couldn't be done a regular coaster train with a floor in it (e.g. Kumba) Essentially, I would say that any coaster can be done well or not at all. On that, I'm confident we agree. But I've found most of the floorless coasters I've been on seem to want to rely on the "gimmick" to add to what is often a rather lackadaisical layout that really doesn't do much. Honestly, I can only think of a couple of floorless coasters that I found interesting and were standouts. The rest were fun, but nothing special. keep on ridin' George > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 08 17:04:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79575 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 00:04:44 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2Hbo-00058d-G6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebf74d806593308e1ce6746c7b4385558a9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wAyFBOnbIPv2x2N16bjVwWe1xv1Ud2wxRc9W15PKj_ZLmjg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash So, did anyone else catch this bit of news? aelk2004 wrote: > El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in > Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement > park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point trying to sell? keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 08 18:00:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18309 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m17.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.207) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.208.6b17c67 (15887) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f42f8002f1c2; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:00:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:00:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> References: <42F7F321.9030009@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ZBZb0ZIucPHUvW38KOJLG4jMRfTlGGB3lt5R_spYY0xcgbJ7TA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo george burnash wrote on 8/8/2005, 8:04 PM: > > El Paso, TX -- Last week, 2 of Mayor John Cook's aides were in > > Cleveland checking out the state-of-the-art Cedar Point amusement > > park - and a roller coaster that's for sale there. > > > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > trying to sell? > > keep on ridin' > George Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89868 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:19:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:19:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7D2E6.8060706@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Twin Grove Park / Williams Grove Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Vprawdag2s6DgvMtnkG385zWhGisQI1VfF5EX0InQ0wUmCe_xw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > > Hi Nathan, > > > > Great report, thanks. > > > > Your description of the Cyclone reminds of the Conneaut Blue Streak, > > which I rode for the first time this past weekend. > > > > Cameron. > > The Blue Streak (also an excellent, fun ride) pales in compairison to > how little maintiance the Cyclone gets. The difference really is the > Blue Streak is loved, the poor, lowly Cyclone is not. > -- > Nathan Brown I definitely found Cyclone rougher than Blue Streak, but Blue was far from smooth when I rode it in 2003. (actually I rode them 2 days apart.) Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:36:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91004 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:36:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:36:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:36:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:36:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3LP92SXfl1yV5l8K3U9adc9ayrKTVDDmmviUWI8OB2QIO7cwXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the concept at > all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do > anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Certainly > nothing that couldn't be done a regular coaster train with a floor in it > (e.g. Kumba) > > Essentially, I would say that any coaster can be done well or not at > all. On that, I'm confident we agree. But I've found most of the > floorless coasters I've been on seem to want to rely on the "gimmick" to > add to what is often a rather lackadaisical layout that really doesn't > do much. Honestly, I can only think of a couple of floorless coasters > that I found interesting and were standouts. The rest were fun, but > nothing special. > > keep on ridin' > George I tend to agree here as well. So far, to me it seems floorless models might as well be standard sit-down coasters without a nose. The difference is very small. If you are in the front (like inverts and suspendeds) the difference is more apparent, but once the train starts really moving, you tend not to notice the track and crosspieces passing under your feet anymore. The Superman coaster in Madrid was my favorite floorless so far. I think it might be a bit faster than the rest. Medusa was pretty cool the first time I rode it as well. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:45:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88190 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 01:45:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:45:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0MK36pg3Y5HkBi6tQPJ6Bq_oX5mulfpnTJE318CgrMoQW_oMsA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > > trying to sell? > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. > -- > Nathan Brown Why Wildcat? The space (If my memory serves) is only big enough for a mouse or a flat. Cedar Creek Mine seems more likely to me from the standpoint that is the area they seem to be focusing on upgrading. None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they are selling any. Obviously, any guesses we have would be wild speculation about a park that doesn't follow trends. Chris B From jophish17@comcast.net Mon Aug 08 20:54:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88570 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 03:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 03:53:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:53:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=GDx_SiOmtJtvL9oB_bTvZstONbn1507tZ5VT8maLzLW5d1MV X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > Why Wildcat? The space (If my memory serves) is only big enough for a > mouse or a flat. Cedar Creek Mine seems more likely to me from the > standpoint that is the area they seem to be focusing on upgrading. > None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they > are selling any. > Obviously, any guesses we have would be wild speculation about a park > that doesn't follow trends. > > Chris B I would imagine that the fact that it is portable and approaching 30 years of age makes it an attractive candidate to be moved and replaced. It would work out well for both parks. Plus, in two days I barely saw any interest in it from the patrons, while the mine ride had a good 30 minute wait. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 01:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78748 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 08:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 08:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 08:01:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:01:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.77.244.207 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: City's roller coaster query surprises EP park's owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=t7tQ1JPTB2nJPAEsrO8DJz2XosUj1cZ3zTp4oM1BPcw3dsY3PeAh X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > > Cedar Point is selling one of their coasters? Wow. That would seem to > > indicate that their going to give up trying to hold onto the record for > > most coasters. So now my big question is, which coaster is Cedar Point > > trying to sell? > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. Didja know that Cedar Point's competition for Most Coasters, Magic Mountain, had a Wildcat, even the same model, up until 1982 called the Mountain Express? I remember it was the first roller coaster outside of Disneyland I ever went on. Adam From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 05:57:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60098 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 12:57:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:55:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1580 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Hercules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=B9E2IOWheF_VtGa21B8XVXODElT5yZQiCN07rjZGZB9Ys6ukkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > Hercules must have really been a joke. I never hear anything good > about it!! Was it ever a good coaster?? Yes, it was very good. When Hercules was built in 1989, it held (I'm fairly sure) the record for largest drop on a wooden coaster in the world. It achieved this by taking advantage of the local topography. The lift hill on this giant woodie was impressive enough at 95 feet. But when the train crested the lift hill you finally realized that the coaster was built on the side of a hill, so that even though the lift is "only" 95 feet, there's a drop of 157 feet down the side of the hill toward a lake. I remeber my first ride on Hercules, during the ride's second season. As the train went down that huge hill, it picked up speed the whole way. About two-thirds of the way down, I remember thinking, "Wow, this should be over by now." But of course, we kept plunging and picking up speed the rest of the way. I also noticed, at about the same time, that the curve in the track at the bottom of the hill (about 180 degrees, skimming the surface of the lake) seemed way too sharp to be navigated at the 60+ mph we were going. It actually scared me a bit, until we entered the curve itself and I finally noticed how sharply banked the track was and realized we were going to live. We flew through the curve, up into the next hill, and on to the rest of the course. It was a high-powered and intense ride. Jon Z "things were different when I was young" The First From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Tue Aug 09 05:59:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17155 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 12:59:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 12:59:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:59:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.117.30 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=6YeLps_S8qO1y2vGrbU_8rWoRVsFHpdq_y_1dLVFfu8V_rDJpg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred Six Flags Reports Six Months and Second Quarter Results and Affirms Full Year Outlook; Strong, Broad-based Attendance, Revenue And EBITDA Growth 08 Aug 05 17:02 NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 8, 2005--Six Flags, Inc. (the "Company") ( NYSE: PKS) announced today its results of operations for the six months and quarter ended June 30, 2005. Revenues for the second quarter of 2005 were 8.4% higher than the prior year, and attendance increased 753,000, or 6.6%, reflecting the positive market reaction in virtually all of the Company's parks to the Company's new capital additions and marketing programs. Six Month Results For the first six months of 2005, revenues were $440.9 million, compared to $ 401.2 million for the comparable period of 2004, an increase of $39.7 million, or 9.9%. Attendance for the period rose 1.08 million, or 8.5%, while total revenue per capita increased by 1.3%, to $31.82. Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization and non- cash compensation, were $465.8 million in the 2005 six-month period, as compared to $444.7 million in the prior-year period. Excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation, cash operating costs and expenses were $390.0 million in 2005 and $370.6 million in 2004, an increase of 5.2%, reflecting planned increases in labor and other expenses to continue the Company's guest serviceinitiatives and to operate the attractions added for the 2005 season, as well as expected increases in costs of goods sold as a result of higher sales volume. EBITDA (Modified) was $50.9 million in the 2005 period as compared to $30.7 million in the 2004 period(1). Adjusted EBITDA for the 2005 period was $29.5 million compared to $12.0 million in 2004.(1) Loss from continuing operations applicable to common stock was $178.6 million in the first six months of 2005 as compared to $135.1 million in the 2004 period. The 2005 period reflects the impact of a $63.8 million tax valuation allowance. In addition, both periods included a loss on early repurchase of debt. Absent the tax valuation allowance and the loss on early repurchase of debt (net of the associated tax benefits in 2005 and 2004), the loss from continuing operations in 2005 would have been $102.8 million and in 2004 would have been $115.6 million.(2) Three Month Results Revenues for the second quarter of 2005 were $386.5 million, compared to $ 356.4 million for the comparable quarter of 2004. The 2005 performance reflects an increase in attendance of 753,000, or 6.6%, and a 1.8% increase in total revenue per capita, to $31.65. Operating costs and expenses, including depreciation, amortization and non- cash compensation, were $294.3 million in the 2005 quarter and $282.6 million in the year ago period. Excluding depreciation, amortization and non-cash compensation, cash operating costs and expenses were $256.3 million in the second quarter of 2005, as compared to $245.6 million in the prior-year quarter, an increase of 4.3%. EBITDA (Modified) was $130.2 million in the second quarter of 2005 compared to $110.8 million in the 2004 quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter of 2005 was $103.5 million compared to $86.2 million in the second quarter of 2004, an increase of 20.1%. Income from continuing operations applicable to common stock was $5.6 million in the second quarter of 2005 as compared to a loss of $9.7 million in the 2004 period. The 2005 results benefited from a partial reversal of the tax valuation allowance established in the first quarter. Without that effect, the income from continuing operations in the 2005 quarter would have been $2.2 million. The 2004 period included a loss on early repurchase of debt. Absent that loss, net of the associated tax benefits, the loss from continuing operations applicable to common stock would have been $5.8 million in the 2004 period. Discussion and Outlook Kieran E. Burke, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Six Flags, said, "We are pleased with the broad-based strong performance of our parks during the first half of 2005. Although there is a great deal of time left in our season, the year-to-date results from our parks have been very encouraging. They reflect the successful implementation of our investment program, which added new attractions in 13 of our 18 domestic theme parks, and three of our water parks and both of our international parks, as well as our ongoing guest service initiatives, and year two of our advertising campaign. We also enjoyed favorable weather conditions during the early part of the summer, and this had a positive impact on attendance. Our performance in July continued to reflect solid growth. While attendance growth in the month slowed somewhat from its robust early season pace, per capita revenues rose sharply. For the month, total revenues rose 9.6% from the year ago period. As a result, year-to- date through August 1 total attendance is 6.3% ahead of the prior year, per capita revenues are up 3.3%, and revenues are up by 9.8% year over year. There is a significant amount of our season remaining and we did enjoy a strong October performance last year. Nonetheless, given our performance to date, we are clearly poised to deliver strong financial results for the year, and see the stage set for further growth. "We continue to anticipate generating Adjusted EBITDA of $300 million in 2005. This is based on expected full year revenue growth of approximately 8.5%. We continue to enjoy substantial liquidity and have no near-term debt maturities." Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company. The information contained in this news release, other than historical information, consists of forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such statements. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward- looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors, including factors impacting attendance, such as local conditions, events, disturbances and terrorist activities, risks of accidents occurring at the Company's parks, adverse weather conditions, general economic conditions (including consumer spending patterns), competition, pending, threatened or future legal proceedings and other factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the Company's expectations. Reference is made to a more complete discussion of forward-looking statements and applicable risks contained under the captions " Cautionary Note Regarding Forward- Looking Statements" and "Business - Risk Factors" in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2004, which is available free of charge on the Company's website ( www.sixflags.com). This release and prior releases are available on the Company's Worldwide Web site at www.sixflags.com. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 06:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 13:21:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:20:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:20:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:20:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F7F280.4080906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=QsPhh-RFNfZ8NCjzXEvk33jReGuRlnpU1XiO9TC_vWKkBn4r4A X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > I would almost say that I haven't seen a coaster "use" the [floorless] concept at > all except as a marketing gimmick. I really haven't seen any of them do > anything that might take advantage of the lack of a floor. Good point, George. Just being "floorless" does not change the ride experience appreciably. And there hasn't been a coaster yet that does something because it's floorless that can't be done with a traditional sit-down ride. There's nothing wrong with a floorless, but I wouldn't pay extra for the feature (either as a park owner/ride builder, or as a park guest/coaster rider). Jon Z From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Aug 09 06:38:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82545 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 13:38:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:36:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 13:36:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:36:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F80016.7090108@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.101.63.5 From: "zucker0615" Subject: CP coaster for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=Y_cbljEKeCSqYphOd84VPCK-SzEdjohIYTnyx27QS8XBiA4m3g X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" > > > ...a roller coaster that's for sale there. > > Place your bets now. My money's on Wildcat. Me, too. It's easily portable, and thus easy to sell. It'd be a useful addition (no, seriously) for many smaller parks. It's not a "signature" coaster -- one that was either custom designed or is closely associated with Cedar Point. It's not crucial to filling a niche -- they have kiddie coasters for the young 'uns. Oh wait, they don't have a mouse, do they? A newer mouse or spinner could probably fit in the same space as the old (read: hard to maintain?) Wildcat. Hey look! I just started a rumor. Or, due to its location, wouldn't a high profile flat be a good fit there? Jon Z (who wishes he could buy a coaster) The First From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8361 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from hkg-core-1.cisco.com (64.104.123.94) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:02:49 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,92,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330451797:sNHT29459132" Received: from xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-411.cisco.com [64.104.123.72]) by hkg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F2JtM015145 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:03:00 +0800 (CST) Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.12]) by xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:02:38 +0800 Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:02:36 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:02:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68D913D0-466D-4CE0-B004-103D79A36907@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:02:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:02:36.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[60BD1E80:01C59CF3] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hydra the Revenge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=-fk2M0aqGPtzYcwa5GtkFyFtHBAaC1GGL9ltg3_u3eplR8W9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > There's nothing wrong with a floorless, but I wouldn't pay extra > for > the feature (either as a park owner/ride builder, or as a park > guest/coaster rider). Sure you would .. if the general public thinks that floorless is cooler, then you'd pay extra for one with the hopes that it'll bring in more money than a plain old sit-down. The real question is whether or not the general public care that it's floorless .. and I think that they (gp) will care about whatever the marketing department shoves down their throat! Personally, I've never ridden a floorless so I can't compare (in fact, I don't think I've ridden any B&M sit-down looper..). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:08:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32049 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Received: from hkg-core-1.cisco.com (64.104.123.94) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:07:09 -0700 Received: from xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-411.cisco.com [64.104.123.72]) by hkg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F6htS015562 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:07:21 +0800 (CST) Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.12]) by xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:06:57 +0800 Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:06:53 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:06:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:06:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:06:53.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA198690:01C59CF3] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=yxtq_KYvsXO5_bY-5TuG14UaRdRaI4s0P2sUVX8CR0jS9LEH X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! That's pretty great news! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 08:10:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92016 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 15:10:38 -0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 08:10:33 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,92,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330455772:sNHT49786456" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79F9l0p002856 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:10:30 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:10:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> References: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:10:30.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B2283E0:01C59CF4] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=z1Jf3QnmM-G3rFXgsWsAeNyD3qkXBVNlBJt6yNDlCejx3SlM X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nathan, > Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. And the fashion! Although I think we're all happy that's changed (well the chick in the Lacoste t-shirt would be right at home in any US high-school today..). > Thanks for passing that along. Welcome .. Duncan (my friend who originally took those photos) loves his photography, he's happy people are interested in them! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Aug 09 09:48:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98256 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.206) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 16:48:02 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so1137818rnf for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.48 with SMTP id y48mr2994658rnb; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:46:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=gGlItJOEe-lMyll0_E7u3fPfSuQnZYoNaFKzxjMiHjTAcjmE X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;)=20 On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: >=20 > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! >=20 > That's pretty great news! >=20 > Cameron. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 11:03:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:03:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:03:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:03:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1896 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.128.72.7 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=kpEUDV6CACz7fvOP4RvL-QvCxEkPjQOtTCcwwcOCOxAyA2O7vQvB X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... > Oh wait, they don't have a mouse, do they? A > newer mouse or spinner could probably fit in the same space as the > old (read: hard to maintain?) Wildcat. Hey look! I just started a > rumor. What? The world's tallest fastest wild mouse? Not nearly enough capacity for CP. But I do agree that a mouse would be a great addition for the park. I think with a little creative re-engineering of the midway and the roads outside the park boundaries, they might be able to fit one there. They can just do like they did with MaxAir, build the ride in the available space and have the line spill out every which way into the midway, blocking traffic. > Or, due to its location, wouldn't a high profile flat be a good > fit there? Yup > What they have offers excellent variety, so I'm uncertain why they > are selling any. True to a point. What CP lacks is a good solid sit-down looping coaster. Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. (11) Intamin did it in England (with 10) and it's not even that tall nor does it take up much space. This way they can also keep the totally awesome feature of having the corkscrews above the midway. There is also plenty of space in the back of the park for a new coaster. All they have to do is rip out the gigantic queue for the rapids ride. It's never full and it just takes up space. That area, the land behind it, plus the lake where the swan boats used to be is plenty of space. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 11:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39512 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:05:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:05:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 18:05:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:05:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.128.72.7 From: "Brian Farral" Subject: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=9vpsEPdK5uzqbOkSVcaQB5NyG4lEr7KvC353DPR7yiCX-E4Pt6gF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Aug 09 11:29:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32540 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:29:08 -0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so1119833rne for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.2.26 with SMTP id e26mr3014021rni; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.78.33 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:29:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=3oXHHj1kZuD0PFNzzFYZg7FirNtN5GW8_jn-FVEgRAog4waK X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I haven't heard much good about it, Brian. Lots of technical issues getting it to run, and lots of frivilous "features". On 8/9/05, Brian Farral wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. >=20 > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 11:47:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78829 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-3.cisco.com) (171.71.176.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 11:47:13 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,93,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="330535869:sNHT30562072" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79IkZpI016683 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:46:46 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:46:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:46:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 18:46:46.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1994030:01C59D12] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=1iHU8Hb8Aja7NEHQpVW0Ak1xFOEEagP-_lV2idvwS_IEyYxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;) Well .. at least they're consistent! Cameron. > On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > >> >> Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! >> >> That's pretty great news! >> >> Cameron. >> > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > What would our > lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer > in the arts today at Network for Good. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 09 11:49:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15796 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sj-iport-2.cisco.com) (171.71.176.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 18:49:37 -0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 11:49:37 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79In4pG017593 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from [64.101.196.82] ([64.101.196.82]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:49:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <718566F7-7043-4EFE-BF4C-F7E3F3B4C05E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:49:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 18:49:28.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[12664980:01C59D13] X-Originating-IP: 171.71.176.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Jr8VVkDD7yfzsDUyPvOPH3Ed4j3I0vT8LkWeV5vGXUC7izDI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space >> or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > > Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... Mean Streak.. > Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP > wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other > than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use > that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. I also agree that Cedar Point is missing a good looping coaster .. although I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very similar ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse where Wildcat currently stands) .. with the general public even be able to tell that it's new? Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 14:07:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46249 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17768 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2005 21:07:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050809210705.17766.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.202.193.1] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:07:05 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:07:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=a62ilQvjSKO7ls0N_sQjsUYgpvrv7U9KQCoaFd3uUzsaQylMFMks3-XC X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Hey Brian, So long a time I donīt post to the list. But I am still alive here in Brazil. About RCT3, Iīve already played all RCT3 scenarios and bought the Soaked expansion. RCT3 can be tricky to run on uncompatible hardware. But if you meet the game requirements, itīs an awsome game, much, much better then RCT1 or RCT2. I do advise you to try the demos before buying the game, but you really should give this game a chance. In my opinion, it rules! Just an off-topic note: we had an accident here in Rio at Terra-Encantada Park. A rider felt from about 4m while riding Mt.Aurora (Zamperla Galaxy). It was during a rave party and most of the evidences points to the riderīs misbehaviour. He suffered severe damages and is breathing with the aid of devices. Sad news, though. Best regards to you all, Gus. --- Brian Farral wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything > about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this > list was about it. > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer > that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked > it. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 14:22:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92085 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:21:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 21:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2005 21:21:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:21:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050809210705.17766.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=El7vFEjN0MT5IJnLuKqZGwN64YGKYiC3eREUXHs7G5J7Ep5wbmz8 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > RCT3 can be tricky to run on uncompatible hardware. Yeah, I have an old machine that doesn't support it (I tried with a friend's copy), but once I do get a new computer (no plans at the moment), RCT3 is a must-buy for me. Adam From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 09 14:48:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3336 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:48:46 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.144.4b083d78 (15863) for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df742f924b6275; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:48:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F9249D.705@aol.com> References: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: NEWS: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=TNQJdhN8f77NV4mzoJD7k-TKiS2njkvtpWg-Pl3mx6XGdQmw9w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo The best news I've heard all day : ) http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=52654 City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million August 09, 2005 Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday that the city's bid to buy the Coney Island Carousel for $1.8 million has been accepted. The city wanted to buy the carousel to keep it from being sold to another city at auction. The famed merry-go-round on Surf Avenue was supposed to go up for auction through Guernsey auction house Wednesday. The carousel was shut down in May after the owners decided to put it up for sale. But thanks to an agreement between the city and the carousel's owners, the McCullough family of Long Island, it will remain in Coney Island, where it has delighted children since 1932. "This is happy news and it is the result of an agreement our administration has reached to purchase the carousel for $1.8 million, heading off the auction that was scheduled for tomorrow," said Bloomberg. "The intent from day one was to reach out to the city, because we in our hearts knew the city was the right owner for this carousel," said Guernsey's Auction president Arlan Ettinger. Bloomberg says the sale is all part of the city's plan to revitalize Coney Island. He said the money will come mainly from city funds and some private donations. After a restoration, the carousel will go back to its familiar spot. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 09 14:58:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98020 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id r.81.2d582dbc (15887) for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (pcp0012133405pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.164.156]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f42f926f2170; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:58:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:57:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F926DA.2090305@aol.com> References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> <74b0c9f30508090946744d11e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.81.164.156 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=_uKC0ZlZ6VirMBLa6hVsRLfoJgByS9ycWSbQn8S2Ds7aqOcjcw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Beth Aslakson wrote on 8/9/2005, 12:46 PM: > Yeah, and they're blaming the weather! ;) > > On 8/9/05, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! > > > > That's pretty great news! > > > > Cameron. I would too, it has been perfect nearly every weekend here in the Mid-Atlantic. Sometimes whether can be a good thing, when it is warm and sunny that is : ) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Life is like a roller coaster, so enjoy the ride. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 09 15:40:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26606 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2005 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (100.250.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com [67.8.250.100]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j79MeTEh018709 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <059f01c59d33$6102e600$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <42F7D273.3020901@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Photos of Kings Dominion from 1978.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5wruhm0Yn-Qm4DP6JnPJHZgr0U7NUzEu0u8OUXrKtF2ZDv1IVFdNxIEuRg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Very cool. Amazing how the park has changed. > > And the fashion! Although I think we're all happy that's changed Yeah I was thinking that was starting to look like That 70's Show visitings Kings Dominion. ;-) (An ode to the Brady Bunch going to Kings Island...) From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Aug 09 17:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72655 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from user-0cal67e.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.152.238] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2eTO-0003LF-CK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: <42F94A72.6020702@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:29:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <7DD62B69-FA06-4192-98D1-3A1987F3D01A@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478819d4bc37d9c2ebffc38f84b03d5c27de87adbcbb8246f9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags' Results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PAA29pbwxOAPTf1zLZz6A3MutUnOF2uPNjXyT-exdB0uDUc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > Did I read this right .. Six Flags did OK this year (so far)?! > > That's pretty great news! > Not only is Six Flags attendance, revenues, and other dollar figures all up... But Cedar Fair's were almost all down. With Geagua Lake, which took a huge hit last year being down even more this year. Talk about an upside down year compared to what we're used to. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:06:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97061 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:06:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:06:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f305080911297b202a82@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1079 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qdLFNcGVa9bpChVomWOS3qmIs5RALbiDQH8LLepdtTN08afv7w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I actuall had to buy a new computer (specifically) just to run it, and although I haven't had too much trouble with it, I suspect it may be because I mostly play the 'sandbox' mode, so I don't care if my peeps are stupid. And they are very stupid. I have only gotten bronzes in about 5 or 6 scenarios, and I really don't play it much anymore, which is in stark contrast to 1 & 2 which I played religiously for years. Seriously, the only reason I play it is for the on-ride feature and the interface is a bit easier than NoLimits. Chris B wrote: > I haven't heard much good about it, Brian. Lots of technical issues > getting it to run, and lots of frivilous "features". > > > On 8/9/05, Brian Farral wrote: > > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. > > > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. > > > > AFLAC!!! > > > > -Brian F. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:14:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92429 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.68) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n3.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:14:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:14:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <718566F7-7043-4EFE-BF4C-F7E3F3B4C05E@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1264 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=719ZrK7S7dwjSQxmPMzkg7hO6xt1aI02xHqh9QbzzZH7VjtUyw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > >> None of the coasters at CP really strike me as huge wastes of space > >> or seem to have excessive down-time / maintenance problems though. > > > > Dragster, Wicked Twister, half of Gemini... > > Mean Streak.. This is the one I secretly hope is the one to go, but who'd want it? > > Now here's my rumor: Something I've been saying for years. If CP > > wants to go for another record they need it to be for something other > > than speed or height. What they need to do is sell Corkscrew and use > > that land to put in the coaster with the worlds most inversions. > > I also agree that Cedar Point is missing a good looping coaster .. > although I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very similar > ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse where Wildcat > currently stands) .. with the general public even be able to tell > that it's new? > > Cameron. I love the eleven loop idea, (Colossus is pretty fun.) but I really think an Eurofighter or Gertslauer spinner is much more likely if Wildcat goes. Even the GP should recognize the difference. I think that another giant flat is more likely, as CP is big on capacity. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 18:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48807 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 01:18:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:18:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42F9249D.705@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.39.111.20 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=dTLJ_bDrr1SYfnVghpUoF4uDsxZk81ZKPOx-hUFSIbxWpH4vtA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown" wrote: > The best news I've heard all day : ) > > http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=52654 > > City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million > > August 09, 2005 > > Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday that the city's bid to buy the > Coney Island Carousel for $1.8 million has been accepted. -- > Nathan Brown I'm glad to hear that Coney can keep some of it's ttradition alive, but is that the most ever paid for a carousel or what? Chris B From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 10 07:53:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77871 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 14:53:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200508100755.AA54132790@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: NEWS: Man rides wooden coaster 5,000 times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=t4X1cliJE-veC8jEmRy1B3R5ssgNvrQ7Ysiy9aEm3CEXlCJGKzIa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Tony's the guy who sold me my current car. He works nearby at a big local auto dealership. He's quite a character and pretty hardcore. He'll travel anywhere in the states to ride a coaster, often at the drop of a hat. His big dream is to get over to Europe. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Aug 10 08:45:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: JZucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10350 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO is?server.ALPHA?IS) (209.101.63.9) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 15:45:19 -0000 Received: by is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <7E69B3E42D005149A8989DA9F57DE33F01047675@is_server.prod.alpha-sys.com> To: "'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:54:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: 209.101.63.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Jon Zucker Subject: Re: CP to sell a coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=XCLlUs_n18c7rMu2y2Jc7lTs1G6JnFqZ5HSzXNEP6ccFp5UQOA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > From: Cameron Silver > I wonder if it's wise to replace a ride with a very > similar ride (particularly something like putting a mad-mouse > where Wildcat currently stands) .. with the general public > even be able to tell that it's new? Maybe not, but that might not be the point. I've heard rumors (I think mostly on this list) that Wildcat is expensive to maintain. Just by replacing it with a brand-new plain-vanilla mouse (bonus: saving money on demolition and removal costs by selling Wildcat to another park), they'd get an ongoing cost savings. They could get even more bang for the buck by upgrading a bit to a spinner, Eurofighter, or something else that's different enough to be marketed as "special." But what do I know. I haven't ridden a coaster all year. 8-( Jon ______________________________ This transmittal from Alpha Systems is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the transmittal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 11:20:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82347 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 18:20:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:19:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.155.201.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "aelk2004" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sysb6ky5696R3czlA8SHvf7FSFqSGYmRviKG-UILfC2r-m4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I've been playing it since December. I've gotten to a scenario that requires you to make a killer fireworks show. It's turning out to be more work than I anticipated, so I haven't been on it for a couple of months. Some of the changes are nice (like not being stuck to a preset isometric view). Some of the changes aren't so nice (like not being stuck to a preset isometric view!). Some of the changes need work (modifying the land can cause some rather weird results). All over I'm rather fine with it. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral" wrote: > Does anyone here play RCT3? I've not read anything about it recently > on here. When RCT2 came out half the posts to this list was about it. > > I only ask because we just bought a new computer that could probably > support it but was wondering if anyone even liked it. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. From filipm2@rpi.edu Wed Aug 10 16:20:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: filipm2@rpi.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68127 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.10) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Received: from smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com [152.163.102.84]) by rly-ip06.mx.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7ANKd7L002202 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:20:39 -0400 Received: from [172.168.131.51] (ACA88333.ipt.aol.com [172.168.131.51]) by smtp-rtc08.proxy.aol.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7ANKSRf012566 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:20:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FB9EFE4-E92B-4EB9-92E5-0F0E22CB55DC@rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:23:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227296011; y=ry8OvdxEeHae58ilJvCi7WocdNFlmM-caXTFc6Fz_b_-aHSAK0_b X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I've been playing it since December. > > I've gotten to a scenario that requires you to make a killer fireworks > show. It's turning out to be more work than I anticipated, so I > haven't > been on it for a couple of months. > > Some of the changes are nice (like not being stuck to a preset > isometric view). Some of the changes aren't so nice (like not being > stuck to a preset isometric view!). Some of the changes need work > (modifying the land can cause some rather weird results). > > Even better, its finally being ported to OS X! According to the article they're looking to release the mac version in November. http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/05/rct3/index.php Mike From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 10 16:54:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95014 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:54:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags downward spiral X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=8_yJ0_NWxLUJ5oIoR8Mm7qGEcm0lylFPtVPPhw8zuVcf-1qh X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 Link: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050808/BUSINESS01/508080302/1066/BUSINESS01 After hyping Kingda Ka as "the tallest, fastest roller coaster on Earth" throughout the winter and spring, one of the first messages to greet visitors at the Six Flags Great Adventure theme park in Jackson, N.J., earlier this summer told them the ride was closed indefinitely for safety reasons. Madeline Wohl and Angela Moeller, both of Nassau, N.Y., knew that before they arrived recently. Their kids were so excited about riding Kingda Ka that they checked the daily updates on the theme park's Web site to see if it reopened. "Everyone was disappointed," Moeller's 14-year-old son, Bryan, said. The ride reopened last week. That Kingda Ka was closed for the bulk of the park's busy season because of a problem with its brakes is a concern for Great Adventure's parent company, Oklahoma City-based Six Flags Inc., which is trying to bounce back from disastrous financial performance and declining park attendance. Six Flags' parks attendance has dipped by a total of 10 million people over the past five years, according to a study done by International Theme Park Associates. Six Flags has posted losses for the past six years, capped by a $460 million loss in 2004. In its annual report, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Kieran E. Burke wrote that the economy, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and bad weather were to blame for the poor showing. But analysts and observers familiar with the company say other amusement parks have managed to rebound from those outside elements. For Six Flags, they say, it's a result of over-purchasing and overpaying. The company is in about $2 billion of debt and barely able to cover more than the cost of that debt, said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., an industry consulting firm in Ohio. "Six Flags was once the icon in the industry," said Speigel. "It was a leader. It had the greatest product. It was clean. It was making money and at the top of its game. It's not the icon that it once was. It's lost its luster. Those of us in the industry familiar with Six Flags for 40 years hate to see that." Not so, says Debbie Nauser, the company's spokesperson. "Our company remains in sound financial shape," Nauser wrote in an e-mail. "We now have no public debt that matures before 2010. We also have always taken great care to have ample liquidity and credit support. We maintain a substantial cash balance of over $115 million and have almost $400 million in committed lines of credit available to us." Six Flags reports its second-quarter earnings at the close of business today. Last year the company's capital expenditures budget was $135 million, not much for a chain with 31 regional parks, said James Zoltack, editor of industry trade magazine Amusement Business. "Their debt is so high it affects their ability to invest in the park," Zoltack said. "The money that might have gone to capital expenditures goes to debt service. That's a tough position to be in." Many of the parks require maintenance that they're not able to get. "Overall, the Six Flags system is showing its age in the fact that these parks are maturing and are reaching the point where many need an infusion of capital to bring the facilities back to new again," said Gary Slade, editor and publisher of industry trade publication Amusement Today. Kingda Ka and the jungle-themed area within the park that houses it represented a $40 million push by the company to regain momentum. It did, receiving media attention from outlets ranging from Time magazine to the Desert Morning News in Utah, until it closed for repairs because of safety concerns. Given the death last week of a 7-year-old boy at Rye Playland, it is ever more clear that safety is not something amusement parks can afford to take lightly. Six Flags' parks are not immune to tragedy. The most recent death at the company's parks occurred last May at Six Flags New England, when a man slipped from a ride because the T-bar restraint lifted. In 2003 a woman was struck and killed by a ride at Six Flags New Orleans; in 2002 a woman was killed when a water ride capsized, causing her to drown at Six Flags Over Texas; a man fell to his death in 2002 after he stood up during a ride at Denver's Six Flags Elitch Gardens; and an employee was killed at Six Flags Over Georgia in 2002 when he walked into a locked area that was in the path of an upside-down roller coaster and was struck in the head by a passenger's legs. A report done by the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions says that over the past two decades there have been an average of two deaths a year on amusement park rides. Great Adventure is the closest Six Flags park to the northern suburbs, at just under a two-hour drive from White Plains. In 2003 the Superman roller coaster was added for about $15 million, and in 2004 the Batman stunt show went up for about $2.5 million. Mark Ashley and his 13-year-old daughter, Victoria, watched the rest of their family ride Nitro, a coaster that from its highest point drops 200 feet to the ground. They're not roller coaster types, but Ashley's stepson was disappointed by Kingda Ka's closing, after the family drove to Great Adventure from Rhode Island. "My stepson is obsessed with going on the fastest, tallest roller coaster," Mark Ashley said. Mark and Victoria Ashley would have liked to visit the water park, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, but the ticket price is not included in the cost of admission to the main park. When Premiere Parks purchased Six Flags Inc. in 1998 from Time Warner Inc., the company went on a buying spree, purchasing second-tier parks across the country. They overpaid for many of those acquisitions, and never made up the money since many of those parks don't have the population necessary to support them. Chicago's Six Flags Great America, New Jersey's Great Adventure, Atlanta's Six Flags Over Georgia, Six Flags AstroWorld in Houston and Los Angeles' Six Flags Magic Mountain are among the company's most successful properties. "You look at any of those properties and start drawing a population ring around the property and you're getting into millions of households," said Amusement Today's Slade. "Jersey is sitting on 40 million people between New York and Philly. Chicago has Michigan, Illinois and Iowa. It's a massive ring of people that can come to the park. You go to Denver and that ring doesn't exist. Part of the ring is called the Rocky Mountains. Seattle is another example. It may have some population base to the north, the south and to the east, but everything west is the water." Nauss said that "98 percent of the entire U.S. population lives within an eight-hour drive of a Six Flags park." Last year anyone who watches TV and lives within a few hours drive of a Six Flags park was bombarded by the loud commercials featuring Mr. Six, the bald, bow tie-clad dancing gentleman who convinces people to board a bus to Six Flags. It's annoying, yes. But when it debuted last year it helped give them a "spark" in attendance, said Slade. The company sold off its European parks in 2004, something if continued could help overall, Zoltack said. "Key divestitures could reduce its debt load and leave them with core, profitable parks," said Zoltack. "The balancing act there is which to sell and which to keep. If they sell the dogs, they won't get a good price for them. If they sell core parks, they could lose money coming in. I'd say they're between a rock and a hard place." From jophish17@comcast.net Wed Aug 10 23:07:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jophish17@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78359 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 06:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2005 06:07:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:07:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2286 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.241.12.211 From: "Joseph Rehanek" Subject: NEWS: Last Gasp of Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=222874863; y=o9d93bUm34OTbvT_0n2S7AXLg7ofI2EynCJRdHOHF26o4JRL X-Yahoo-Profile: jophish17 Enjoy the Last Gasp of Summer at Six Flags! Say goodbye to summer and to The Great Gasp with two weeks of special events July 28, 2005 Atlanta - Six Flags Over Georgia is offering some great ways to end your summer on a high note this year. The Last Gasp of Summer marks the end of weekday operations at the park, and the final drops of The Great Gasp. Two weeks of special concerts and events are planned during the celebration! During The Last Gasp of Summer, guests of the park will have an opportunity to be one of the last riders on The Great Gasp parachute drop ride. Riders on August 13 and 14 will receive a limited edition collector's button commemorating the final drops on The Great Gasp. Built in 1976, The Great Gasp has been a favorite with guests seeking the thrill of a 200-foot parachute drop. Sporting magnificent views of the Atlanta skyline, the Great Gasp has stood as a local icon, carrying over 15 million riders to lofty heights and back. Final rides will take place August 13 and 14, after which The Great Gasp will be retired following almost 30 years of service. Six Flags Over Georgia has teamed up with Publix supermarkets to deliver "School Supplies for Cool Kids." On July 31, receive $15 off a daily admission ticket at the park front gate with your gift of school supplies. Supplies will go to underprivileged children in the Atlanta area. Kids Fest brings one last concert series of the summer to Six Flags Over Georgia! The fun starts Saturday, August 6 with pop star Aaron Carter at 5 p.m. Immediately following is recording artist Christy Carlson Romano. Wrapping up Sunday, August 7 is Atlanta native Raven-Symone at 5 p.m. All concerts are free with park admission. In addition to the music, kids can drop by the Axis Arena during Kids Fest to play the all-new Kids Next Door trading card game at the interactive treehouse. Over in Bugs Bunny World kids will find balloon animals, games, modeling school tryouts, face painting and much, much more. It's not too late to pack in multiple days of fun this summer! Get a season pass at Publix for just $54.99 and come both days. Six Flags Over Georgia is open for daily operation through August 14, then weekend operation through October 30. Please visit sixflags.com for a complete schedule. From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 05:55:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44390 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 12:55:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110555.AA42926252@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Gravity Gazette" , "Dave A." X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Coney's B and B Carousel saved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=fJtJfrQEbK1qLBJAGBH_QFVwEc5CJqBdnoPaa-2FWQvBMN_KZ2ok X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Just one day before it was scheduled to go up on the Guernsey's auction block, the B&B Carousel, Coney Island's last historic merry-go-round, was saved and will be purchased by the City of New York for $1.8 million dollars. This is joyous news in the face of the possibilties that the ride could have been bought by bidders from Ohio to Las Vegas and moved out of Coney, or worse even broken up at or post auction. Guernsey's did its best to ensure that the auction would proceed but thankfully, the more rational and civic-minded forces prevailed, with the last-minute agreeement in place. > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_080905_coneyislandcarouselAM.html < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 06:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96660 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 13:04:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:05:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110605.AA181076164@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Re: City To Buy Coney Island Carousel For Almost $2 Million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=k4-r41JAe-oXtiJ9t2SGCJVuLfvnAz07fKR8PtRJ30FwCYefZFeu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >The best news I've heard all day < I figured someone would beat me to the punch posting this. Sorry for the repeat post, but hey -- it's worth it. This is terrific news. This ride is a big part of Coney's storied history, one of the few original rides left there. And its operation has been impressive -- ridiculously fast and even still with its original ring game. I'm very glad the city cared enough to save this jewel. Jay ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 11 06:35:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69414 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO karenandjay.com) (65.61.209.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 13:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:37:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200508110637.AA188219456@karenandjay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Rollercoaster Talk" Cc: "Dave A." , "Gravity Gazette" X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ X-Originating-IP: 65.61.209.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Jay Ducharme" Reply-To: Subject: Coney Island cover up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884; y=b0BJDwQVXMWmYiecPNO0OnU7-BsJeKhbIvo_dVLEZYyEs1IAsM3R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This was just posted on the CarouselHorse discussion board: ===== Coney Island cover up I'm glad the carousel was saved. But please don't give the officials from the City of NY any thanks for it. It was saved by a few wealthy individuals that put up the money in a non profit group. Not the officials from the City of NY. They could have cared less. The carousel is saved, will be restored and moved to a better location within the City. But none of it was due to the City officials. The mayor wouldn't even commit to the City donating any money to the move or restoration. Thankfully there are some real concerned citizens in NY that cared. It sure wasn't the City officials. See the real story here: > http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nycar104377789aug10,0,6108805.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print < ___________________________________________________________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 11 07:28:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93845 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) (64.102.122.148) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 14:28:17 -0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2005 07:28:14 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,100,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="5604586:sNHT133586820" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7BERkR9029506 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([10.82.242.43]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:27:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 14:27:32.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF83A1C0:01C59E80] X-Originating-IP: 64.102.122.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags downward spiral X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wF5fiSiw8XjRTX4Gi6in9fHIC9Y1L2ioQrF8ACS9LWlWCwIC X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Wow .. after reading articles like this, it seems like they let just anyone into journalism school! I like how they imply that the whole company is going to go belly up just because of one bad coaster (with no mention to Cedar Fair, and the fact that they have the very same bad coaster). Cameron. On Aug 10, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Joseph Rehanek wrote: > Link: > http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050808/ > BUSINESS01/508080302/1066/BUSINESS01 > > After hyping Kingda Ka as "the tallest, fastest roller coaster on > Earth" throughout the winter and spring, one of the first messages to > greet visitors at the Six Flags Great Adventure theme park in Jackson, > N.J., earlier this summer told them the ride was closed indefinitely > for safety reasons. > > Madeline Wohl and Angela Moeller, both of Nassau, N.Y., knew that > before they arrived recently. Their kids were so excited about riding > Kingda Ka that they checked the daily updates on the theme park's Web > site to see if it reopened. > > "Everyone was disappointed," Moeller's 14-year-old son, Bryan, said. > > The ride reopened last week. That Kingda Ka was closed for the bulk of > the park's busy season because of a problem with its brakes is a > concern for Great Adventure's parent company, Oklahoma City-based Six > Flags Inc., which is trying to bounce back from disastrous financial > performance and declining park attendance. Six Flags' parks attendance > has dipped by a total of 10 million people over the past five years, > according to a study done by International Theme Park Associates. > > Six Flags has posted losses for the past six years, capped by a $460 > million loss in 2004. > > In its annual report, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Kieran E. > Burke wrote that the economy, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and bad > weather were to blame for the poor showing. But analysts and observers > familiar with the company say other amusement parks have managed to > rebound from those outside elements. For Six Flags, they say, it's a > result of over-purchasing and overpaying. > > The company is in about $2 billion of debt and barely able to cover > more than the cost of that debt, said Dennis Speigel, president of > International Theme Park Services Inc., an industry consulting firm in > Ohio. > > "Six Flags was once the icon in the industry," said Speigel. "It was a > leader. It had the greatest product. It was clean. It was making money > and at the top of its game. It's not the icon that it once was. It's > lost its luster. Those of us in the industry familiar with Six Flags > for 40 years hate to see that." > > Not so, says Debbie Nauser, the company's spokesperson. > > "Our company remains in sound financial shape," Nauser wrote in an > e-mail. "We now have no public debt that matures before 2010. We also > have always taken great care to have ample liquidity and credit > support. We maintain a substantial cash balance of over $115 million > and have almost $400 million in committed lines of credit available to > us." > > Six Flags reports its second-quarter earnings at the close of business > today. > > Last year the company's capital expenditures budget was $135 million, > not much for a chain with 31 regional parks, said James Zoltack, > editor of industry trade magazine Amusement Business. > > "Their debt is so high it affects their ability to invest in the > park," Zoltack said. "The money that might have gone to capital > expenditures goes to debt service. That's a tough position to be in." > > Many of the parks require maintenance that they're not able to get. > > "Overall, the Six Flags system is showing its age in the fact that > these parks are maturing and are reaching the point where many need an > infusion of capital to bring the facilities back to new again," said > Gary Slade, editor and publisher of industry trade publication > Amusement Today. > > Kingda Ka and the jungle-themed area within the park that houses it > represented a $40 million push by the company to regain momentum. It > did, receiving media attention from outlets ranging from Time magazine > to the Desert Morning News in Utah, until it closed for repairs > because of safety concerns. > > Given the death last week of a 7-year-old boy at Rye Playland, it is > ever more clear that safety is not something amusement parks can > afford to take lightly. Six Flags' parks are not immune to tragedy. > The most recent death at the company's parks occurred last May at Six > Flags New England, when a man slipped from a ride because the T-bar > restraint lifted. In 2003 a woman was struck and killed by a ride at > Six Flags New Orleans; in 2002 a woman was killed when a water ride > capsized, causing her to drown at Six Flags Over Texas; a man fell to > his death in 2002 after he stood up during a ride at Denver's Six > Flags Elitch Gardens; and an employee was killed at Six Flags Over > Georgia in 2002 when he walked into a locked area that was in the path > of an upside-down roller coaster and was struck in the head by a > passenger's legs. > > A report done by the International Association of Amusement Parks and > Attractions says that over the past two decades there have been an > average of two deaths a year on amusement park rides. > > Great Adventure is the closest Six Flags park to the northern suburbs, > at just under a two-hour drive from White Plains. In 2003 the Superman > roller coaster was added for about $15 million, and in 2004 the Batman > stunt show went up for about $2.5 million. > > Mark Ashley and his 13-year-old daughter, Victoria, watched the rest > of their family ride Nitro, a coaster that from its highe